[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road April 11, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
IS ANYBODY ELSE ON THE GUYS IN HEARING? THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, NEXT IS CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IN HEARING NOW, WE WILL GO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND TO I DO TO THE FOLLOWING OATH.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, THE RULES OF THE PLAINTIFF AND COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO DO.
UH, WHEN THE TIME COMES AND YOU DO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED.
WE HAVE NO, UH, PENDING BUSINESS.
THE FIRST ITEM UNDER THE NEW BUSINESS IS REZONING.
THE APPLICANT, SSTP HOLDINGS, LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REZONING FROM OH ONE OFFICE TO B ONE COMMERCIAL FOR PRO.
PROPOSED LAUNDROMAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 67 40 BRANT PIKE, RZ 2309.
MR. SORELL, UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THE SITE IS 0.7 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, OH ONE.
IT WAS A, UH, FORMER, UH, BANE STAFFING OFFICE.
SO IT'S A VACANT OFFICE BUILDING AT THE TIME OR CURRENTLY.
UH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS OH ONE TO THE NORTH, UH, R TWO AND R SIX, UM, AND THEN PLAN COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
THE APPLICANT, AGAIN, RE REQUESTS APPROVAL TO REZONE THE BUILDING TO BE ONE, TO DEVELOP AND OPERATE A LAUNDROMAT.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE CURRENT SITE.
UM, THERE IS AN AUTO PARTS STORE TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, UH, AROUND THIS, UH, AROUND THIS LOCATION, AS WELL AS BEING ON A, UM, HIGH TRAFFIC THOROUGHFARE.
THE BUILDING'S IN GOOD CONDITION.
AND THE LAST TENANT, AS I MENTIONED, WAS, UH, BAIN STAFFING.
UM, THE APPLICANTS PREPARE IS PLANNING SOME MINOR SITE IN BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS, BUT NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, BUILDING OR THE SITE ARE NECESSARY.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS A CLOSE PROXIMITY, UH, TO DENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT PROBABLY BODES WELL FOR, UM, A FUTURE LAUNDROMAT.
AS FAR AS THE REZONING ANALYSIS, THE APPLICABLE, UH, REGULATIONS ARE CHAPTER 1130, WHICH IS AMENDMENTS, AND THEN CHAPTER 1153, UH, B ONE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, I DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
SINCE THERE ARE NO IMPROVE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE, UM, THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH MOVE IN.
UM, THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO A FEW MINOR LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, REPLACE SOME OF THE L UH, THE PARKING LOT TREATIES THAT ARE MISSING, BUT OTHERWISE, THE SITE IS IN GOOD SHAPE.
UM, THE CITY COMP, THE CITY'S NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, INDICATES THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTHTOWN PATTERN AREA.
AND ONE OF THE KEY GOALS OF THE PATTERN AREA IS TO FOCUS ON RENOVATION, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, AND INCREMENTAL BROADENING OF USES, UH, AND HOUSING TYPES.
STAFF FEELS THAT THE REZONING FROM OH ONE TO B ONE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN LESS DEMAND FOR OFFICE SPACE AND A TREND THAT IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE.
UM, THE BROKER OF THIS PROPERTY HAS TALKED TO ME A COUPLE TIMES, AND EVERY ONE OF THE TENANTS THAT HE HAS, UM, HAD INTEREST HAS ALL BEEN A RETAIL USER OR, OR A PERSONAL SERVICE USER, SUCH AS A LAUNDROMAT.
UM, SO THIS ZONING CHANGE WILL BROADEN THE POTENTIAL USES OF AN EXISTING BUILDING ON A KEY THOROUGHFARE LANDS TO THE SOUTH.
OUR ZONED COMMERCIAL, UH, B ONE
SO I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER, THIS IS THE LEAST INTENSE OF OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? THANK YOU, AARON.
JUST ONE ON, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THERE WASN'T A NEED FOR PLAYING COMMERCIAL, BUT WOULD THERE BE A BENEFIT FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT TO
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KIND OF LIMIT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO IN THERE BEYOND THIS USER IN THE FUTURE? NO, I LOOKED AT THAT.I THOUGHT THE B ONE DISTRICT, UH, ADEQUATELY CONTROLLED THOSE FUTURE USES.
I THOUGHT B2 WAS TOO INTENSE, WHICH WAS MY, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANT WAS B ONE.
SO THE MAIN CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS IN, IN THE EVENT OF DOWN THE ROAD, QUICKER RESTAURANT WITH THE AMOUNT OF CURB CUTS WE HAVE RIGHT IN THERE AS WELL.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TWO CURB CUTS ON THIS SITE AS IT IS.
I MEAN, DOWN, I'M TALKING DOWN THAT ROAD, THERE'S JUST THIRD.
BUT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE'VE, THAT THAT'S PART OF OUR CON TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUE THROUGH THE CITIES.
THERE'S JUST CUTS EVERYWHERE, I THINK.
AND YEAH, UM, I THINK FOR WHAT I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK A DRIVE-THROUGH THERE WOULD BE, NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BUILDING LENDS ITS WELL SELF WELL TO A, A RESTAURANT CONVERSION.
UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT'S LIKE, BUT RESTAURANT CONVERSIONS TEND TO BE EXPENSIVE.
OH, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE, THE, THE LOT ITSELF IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS LOT IS, I, I THINK THE USE IS GREAT AND I, I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE COMING AND, AND I, I, I CHUCKLED WHEN I SAW IT, HONESTLY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE BUILDING BEING BUILT RIGHT OUTSIDE HERE THAT ORIGINALLY WAS GONNA HAVE A LAUNDROMAT, AND THE GUY SAID THAT THE, THEIR MAT IS SHOWING THAT IT DOESN'T WARRANT IT, BUT I KNOW SINCE THEN WHERE MY WIFE DOES HAIR, THEY'VE OPENED A NEW LAUNDROMAT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THIS ONE, AND THESE ARE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THE USE.
I JUST WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK BEFORE THE APPLICANT? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I, YES, I, YES.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO JUST INTRODUCE MYSELF IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, NAME IS, UH, GEORGE CARIS.
AND, UH, I CURRENTLY OPERATE A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES DOWN IN KETTERING.
I'M A LONGTIME DAYTON, UH, NATIVE LIVE IN BELLBROOK CURRENTLY.
WE, UM, UH, MY WIFE AND I OPERATED A RETAIL BUSINESS DOWN IN KETTERING.
WE SELL, UH, HAND ROLLED CIGARS, CRAFT BEER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE BOUGHT RIGHT NEXT TO US A ZOMBIE MAT A FEW YEARS AGO, A LAUNDROMAT THAT WAS, IT WAS AWFUL.
AND, UH, BUT WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH BEFORE JUMPING IN, AND WE REALLY, WHEN WE, SO OUR, OUR PLAN IS TO DO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE, WHERE WE'VE INCREASED OUR, NOT ONLY INCREASED THE BUSINESS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO GET ON THE GOOGLE REVIEWS AND ALL THAT, IT'S LIKE 4.9, UH, FOR THOUSANDS OF 'EM.
BECAUSE WE, OUR, THE WAY WE, UM, THE WAY WE BUILD THESE OUT IS IF YOU WERE BUILDING, WE PRETTY MUCH LOOK AT, IF YOU WERE BUILDING A HOME FOR ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD YOUR LAUNDRY ROOM LOOK LIKE IN THERE? SO IT'S LIKE LVP, FOURS, GREAT LIGHTING.
UM, WE PUT IN THE MOST ADVANCED SECURITY SYSTEM WE CAN SO THAT CUSTOMERS, THE NEIGHBORS FEEL SECURE, FIRST OF ALL, COMING IN.
WE ALSO, UH, MAYBE THE KEY TO ONE OF OUR SUCCESSES IS WE USE A HOSPITAL GRADE, UH, OZONE SYSTEM WHERE WE, UM, CREATE OZONE, UH, AND FILTER INTO THE WATER.
EVERY TIME A A WASHER IS USED, IT'S ACTUALLY STERILIZED LIKE THEY DO IN HOSPITALS.
UM, AND, UH, WHEN YOU WALK IN OUR LAUNDRY MAT, IT SMELLS FRESH.
LIKE, DOESN'T SMELL LIKE WHAT YOU MIGHT, YOU BEEN IN A LAUNDROMAT.
UH, SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, OF COURSE, THE DENSITY LIKE, UH, AARON, AARON MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK IT'S A PERFECT LOCATION.
LIKE I SAY, FOR US, UH, WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF, UH, WORK INSIDE, BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST INCREASING OUR PLUMBING AND SOME OF THE UTILITIES THERE, AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, THE, THE NAME OF OUR LAUNDROMAT IS THE LAUNDROMAT.
UM, AND, UH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN, UH, JUMPING ONLINE OR MAYBE DOING A SEARCH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE WE GOT SOME, UH, WE REALLY DO PRETTY BUILDOUTS.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAY, UH, I'D SAY, UH, UH, ABOUT 30 TO 40% OF OUR CUSTOMERS AREN'T NORMAL LAUNDROMAT CUSTOMERS.
THEY'RE FOLKS THAT HAVE A PERFECTLY FINE LAUNDRY ROOM, BUT THEY'RE COMING TO DO BEDDING, AND THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING INTO OUR PLACES BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, STERILIZATION PROCESS.
SO I GOT PEOPLE ROLLING IN ALL KINDS, UH, ALL KINDS OF VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, HIGHER END, UH, CLIENTELE.
AND SO WE ATTRACT, UH, UH, A WIDE GROUP, BUT REALLY THAT'S IT.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO MAYBE WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL, UH, GIVE US APPROVAL AND WE'LL GET STARTED HERE IN THE SUMMER AT SOME POINT.
SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY, I WASN'T PREPARED WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? YES.
WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS GONNA BE? SO WE TYPIC WE PROBABLY FOLLOW THE SAME HOURS.
WE'RE, UH, WE'RE NOT A 24 HOUR LAUNDROMAT.
WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM ALL THE ISSUES THAT CAN COME WITH THAT.
UH, WE ARE TYPICALLY 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM UH, WE AUTOMATE OUR OPEN AND CLOSING SO THAT, UH, LIGHTS AND DOORS UNLOCK, UH, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
NOW, UH, WE WILL HAVE STAFF THERE, OF COURSE, THROUGHOUT THE DAY, UH, BUT AT NINE, 9:00 PM IS THE LAST LOAD IN TYPICALLY, UH, WITH CUSTOMERS HAVING TO BE OUT BY 10 30.
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WE WERE DOING ALL OF OUR RESEARCH ON, BEFORE WE EVEN BOUGHT OUR FIRST LAUNDRY MAT, WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO AVOID BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AFTER MIDNIGHT, YOU KNOW, UNLOCKED PLACE THERE.THAT'S WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IT RUN INTO SOME ISSUES.
I KNOW THAT, UM, LAUNDROMATS USED A LOT OF WATER.
AND DOES THE WATER THAT YOU USE AT THIS FACILITY GO INTO? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT WILL GO INTO THE REGULAR SANITARY SYSTEM.
UM, AND LUCKILY THE EQUIPMENT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS NOW, AND ALL OF THE WASHERS THAT WE USE ARE MADE BY ELECTROLUX.
AND THEY ACTUALLY, AT FIRST, IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THE WASHERS AREN'T WORKING PROPERLY WHEN THEY FIRST START IT, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING IT DOES IS IT ACTUALLY SPINS TO WEIGH WHAT'S INSIDE.
SO THAT EVEN IF IT'S A MASSIVE MACHINE WITH A BIG FLUFFY COMFORTER, ONCE THAT GETS WET, IT SHRINKS DOWN AND IT MAY ONLY NEED THE OLD, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL LIKE AN 80 POUND MACHINE, LARGE MACHINE.
THEY USED TO USE LITERALLY, UH, ABOUT A HUNDRED GALLONS OF WATER.
NOW, ON A TYPICAL COMFORTER, MAYBE 15 GALLONS MAX, ACTUALLY LESS THAN YOU WOULD EVEN PROBABLY USE IN YOUR OWN HOME WASHING MACHINE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE NOT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, PUTTING IN ABOUT 20 TO 24 WASHERS, UM, ANYWHERE FROM PROBABLY 20 TO 24 DRYERS.
UM, YOU CAN WASH AND COMPLETELY WASH.
I MEAN, IT'S THE CLEANEST YOU'VE EVER SEEN, UH, AND DRY IN 45 MINUTES, YOU'RE IN AND OUT IF YOU'RE NOT FOLDING.
SO IT'S REALLY QUICK, UH, FOR THE CUSTOMERS.
AND, UM, SO FROM THE UTILITY STANDPOINT, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY VERY EFFICIENT, MORE EFFICIENT THAN ANYTHING YOU TYPICALLY BUY FOR YOUR HOME.
SO HOPEFULLY I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION THERE.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
UH, IS THERE A, UM, MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL? THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANTS STP HOLDINGS, LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM OH ONE OFFICE TO B ONE COMMERCIAL FOR A PROPOSED LAUNDROMAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 67 40 BRANT PIKE, UH, RZ 2309, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION.
UH, RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TOO.
MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES, IS OUR SECOND, SECOND BY MS. VAGO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE FOLLOW THE ROLL, MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, SO YEAH, THIS WILL, UH, MOVE TO THE WORK SESSION, UH, IN FRONT OF COUNSEL ON THE, UH, APRIL 20TH, WHICH SHOULD BE HEARD ON APRIL 24TH.
UH, AND THEN, UM, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, RH M REAL ESTATE GROUP, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REZONING WITH APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRES FROM P E P PLAN, EM, EMPLOYMENT PARK TO PM PLAN, MIXED USE, AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN COMMERCIAL USES ON APPROXIMATELY 22.3 ACRES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, R Z B D P 2308, MR. CRELL.
UH, SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS, UH, SITE BEFORE IN A COUPLE ITERATIONS.
UM, I JUST WANT TO PREFERENCE BY SAYING THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DO IS REALLY, UM, PUSH, UH, IS TO CONSIDER THE ZONING CHANGE FROM PLAN, MIXED USE TO PLAN MIXED USE, EXCUSE ME.
AND THE MOST BASIC OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN APPROVAL.
WE'RE REALLY HERE TO SEEK ZONING ACCESS AND DENSITY ENTITLEMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY ARE, UM, ESSENTIALLY FAST TRACKING THIS FROM OUR, OUR TYPICAL PROCESS.
SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE, THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRES.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK.
THE EXISTING, UH, LAND USE IS AGRICULTURE AS WELL AS A, UH, PUBLIC USE BUILDING THAT THE CITY OWNS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING OF THE ENTIRE 43 ACRES TO PLANNED MIXED USE.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL OF 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND FOUR COMMERCIAL OUTLAWS ON 22.3 ACRES OF THAT SITE.
UM, THIS IS AN INCORRECT IMAGE.
UH, THE REZONING ACTUALLY GOES OUT ALL THE WAY TO, UH, BRANT PIKE.
SO IF YOU ADD A LITTLE BIT OF A TAIL, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT IS THE ENTIRE, UH, REZONING.
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UM, AND THEN INCLUDING, UH, BRANT PIKE.SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DETAILS THAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO THE CITY IS TRANSFERRING THE CURRENT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE FORMER HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO, UH, A COMPANY CALLED RHM.
UM, HORIZON LINE REACHED OUT TO RHM, UM, WHEN IT WAS CLEAR THAT, UM, THE HOUSING PRODUCT THAT HORIZON LINE WAS, WAS CONTEMPLATING WASN'T WHAT THE CITY, UH, WANTED.
SO THEY REACHED OUT TO RHM, WHO IS, DOES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THE APPLICANTS HERE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THEIR, UM, THEIR BUSINESS, UH, AND THE THOUSANDS OF UNITS THAT THEY MANAGE.
UH, RHM MUST CLOSE ON THE FIRST OPTIONS, WHICH ARE LOT ONE AND FOUR.
BY MAY 15TH, UH, THE CITY WILL RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF LOTS TWO AND THREE, UH, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY TRANSFER THOSE SUBJECT TO FUTURE USE APPROVAL.
SO OF THE NEXT, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND I'LL GET TO THAT, UH, THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO FURTHERING THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT CONCEPT, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE STICKING POINTS OF THE ORIGINAL HORIZON LINE, UM, PROJECT.
SO THIS, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER A MONTH OR A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, WE REPLANTED THIS, UH, LOT TO, UH, FOUR, UH, SECTIONS.
UM, THE, WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE SQUARE IS WHAT IS SUBJECT TO THE FIRST, UH, OPTION AGREEMENT, AND WHAT IS COVERS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AREA.
UH, SO THAT'S ABOUT 23 ACRES, UH, SUPERIMPOSED THE SITE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINING 17 ACRES, UH, STILL A SIGNIFICANT, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, OF SITE.
AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, I THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SHOW HOW ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE STARTING TO LAY OUT.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE METROPOLITAN, UM, HOLDINGS PROJECT THAT YOU, UH, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR, UH, EARLY ON, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ROSE.
THERE IS A, UH, COMMERCIAL, A COMMERCIAL, UM, SITE BUILDING SITE, UH, THAT IS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND, UH, AND THE METROPOLITAN.
UH, AND THEN YOU HAVE WHAT'S IN CON UNDER CONSIDERATION HERE, WHICH WITH RHM.
SO YOU SEE THE 300, UH, HOUSING UNITS, AS WELL AS THOSE FOUR, UH, OUT PARCELS ALONG EXECUTIVE.
ALL OF THE ACCESS POINTS ALIGN WITH CURRENT DRIVES THAT ARE ALONG EXECUTIVE, UH, BOULEVARD.
THIS WAS IN THE PACKET, BUT HERE ARE, UH, SOME ELEVATIONS.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE ELEVATION OF THE APARTMENT UNIT THAT YOU WOULD SEE WITHIN THE PARKING AREA.
THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION, SO THIS IS THE BACK OF, OF THE BUILDING EFFECTIVELY.
UH, THEN THERE ARE THE CLUBHOUSE ELEVATIONS, WHICH, UM, KIND OF A FARMHOUSE STYLE, UM, MORE OF A, A TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, FEEL TO IT WITH GABLE DENS, A LOT OF GLASS AND, AND BRICK.
THIS IS THE CURRENT CONCEPT OF THE RETAIL.
UH, SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS, UH, FAIRLY CONTEMPORARY AND DESIGN WITH, UH, GLASS FENESTRATION BRICK, UM, SOME PRETTY CONTEMPORARY LINES.
THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT ELEVATION FACING, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THIS WOULD BE THE REAR INSIDE THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, FROM WITHIN THE PARKING LOT OR FROM WITHIN THE, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THE RENDERINGS OR IN THE PACKET DO BETTER JUSTICE THAN THE, UM, THAN ELEVATIONS.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE SITE FLOWS AND THE, AND THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE RENT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UH, THE COMMERCIAL AREA TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
AND THIS IS, UH, MORE OF A NORTH LEE PERSPECTIVE.
UH, LOOKING UP THE, UH, BOULEVARD INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, AREA.
THE CLUBHOUSE IS AT THE TERMINUS OF THE BOULEVARD.
THE, THE COMMERCIAL IS, IS ON YOUR LEFT.
UH, AND THEN YOU ENTER INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, UH, THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE.
SO THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, WORKING ON TWO DIFFERENT, UM, RETENTION BASINS, ONE CENTER, ONE CENTRAL RETENTION BASIN, AND THEN ONE DETENTION BASIN IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
I WOULD SAY THE COMMERCIAL AREA IS PROBABLY SUBJECT TO CHANGE, UH, AS WE WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS, UH, OF THE, THE, UH, DRAINAGE DITCH THAT OR CREEK THAT RUNS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THAT SITE, OF THE SITE IS UNAFFECTED
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BY THAT, UH, BY THAT DRAINAGE, UH, SWALE, UH, THERE IS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, UH, I HAD ASKED FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE IS A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO, UM, LA LALA.
I CAN NEVER PRONOUNCE THAT STREET.
UH, I THINK THIS WILL PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, BICYCLE ACCESS, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH, TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
SO THERE IS A, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A PROPOSED SIDEWALK THAT GOES DOWN THE, THE, UH, THE WEST EDGE OF THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AS WE GET INTO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE, THAT MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES ALONG THAT WEST EDGE THAT, UH, I THINK ARE WORTH, MIGHT BE WORTH SAVING, UM, AND PROVIDING BUFFER FOR THE, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST.
BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THE WORKING, UH, DESIGN IS THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION AROUND THE, THE WEST EDGE.
IT COULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, UH, AND AND SERVE JUST AS WELL.
THERE ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANT, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE COMMERCIAL LOTS, AS WELL AS A 10 FOOT.
THE DEVELOPER IS, IS CARRYING THAT SAME 10 FOOT WIDE MULTI-USE PATH, UH, ALONG EXECUTIVE.
AND THEN WE WOULD CARRY IT NOT ONLY FROM THIS PHASE, BUT TO SUBSEQUENT PHASES AS WE, AS THE PROJECT GETS BUILT OUT, UH, TO HEADED, UH, EAST.
SO AS FAR AS SITE PLANNING AND THE DE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD ANALYSIS, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPOSED LAND USES ARE RESIDENTIAL LAND, AND ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES.
THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL OUTLAWS ARE ALL ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
LOCATE, APPROPRIATELY LOCATED IS THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE INTENSE USES THAN THE, THAN THE APARTMENTS TO THE REAR.
UH, RIGHT NOW THE WORKING NUMBER IS, THE OPEN SPACES IS 31.5%.
UM, MY GUESS IS THAT WILL SLIGHTLY INCREASE, UH, AS WE, AS THE DEVELOPER WORKS OUT THERE, THEIR GRADING PLANS AND, UH, THAT THAT SITE, UH, TAILS OFF TO THE NORTH.
UH, AND AT THE LAST HORIZON LINE DEAL, THEY HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH GRADING, UM, WHICH INCREASED THE SETBACKS.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE OPEN SPACE IS PROPOSED AT 31.5%.
IF ANYTHING, I THINK THAT INCREASES, UH, SLIGHTLY.
UM, AS FAR AS ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES ALIGN ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WITH EXISTING ACCESS POINTS.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, UH, STAFF REQUESTED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO LA BALI DRIVE, UH, AND A 10 FOOT, UH, WIDE, UH, MULTI-USE PATH ALONG EXECUTIVE.
THE DEVELOPER HAS, HAS DONE THAT.
AS FAR AS PARKING, UM, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THERE ARE, UH, 531 SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED.
THAT WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 1.77 SPACES PER UNIT.
UH, THE CODE SUGGESTS TWO SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, CLOSE, WELL WOULD BE 600, UM, SPACES.
STAFF, AGAIN, FEELS THAT THAT'S EXCESSIVE.
UH, WHAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED FOR THE MARKET RATE SIDE OF, UH, WHAT'S NOW CALLED, UM, HERITAGE COMMENTS, THE, NOT THE, NOT THE SENIOR, BUT THE MARKET RATE SIDE, UH, WAS AT, UH, ONE POINT, UH, SIX SEVEN.
SO THIS IS PROVIDING, UH, MORE PARKING THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED, UM, DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, THEY'RE PRO PROPOSING AT THE MOMENT, 178 SPACES, WHICH IS ONE SPACE PER 168 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS MORE THAN, UM, WHAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY REQUIRED AS FAR AS SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS.
THE PROPOSAL, UH, MEETS ALL THE SETBACK AND HEIGHTS REQUIREMENT AT THE, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING THE AT THE TOP END OF THE GABLE ON THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IS 39 FEET.
UM, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING PLAN REQUIRED AT THIS POINT SINCE WE'RE AT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN.
BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING TREES ON THE WEST END OF THE SITE REMAIN IF THEY'RE HEALTHY.
UH, NOW'S THE TIME THAT WE WOULD GO OUT AND START DOING THOSE TREE SURVEYS TO SEE WHICH TREES ARE LEAFING OUT, UH, AND WHICH ONES AND, AND WHICH ONES MADE IT THROUGH THE WINTER AND WHICH ONES DIDN'T, AS WELL AS THEIR SPECIES.
UH, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT.
UM, LET ME STEP BACK ONE THING CUZ I HAVEN'T MENTIONED TRAFFIC.
ONE THING THAT, UH, I'VE ASKED, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT THE MOST BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN
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PROCESS.UH, ONE THING THAT I'VE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO DO, UH, IS TO, FOR THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES, UM, THE PROPOSED UNITS FOR METROPOLITAN ALONG WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, PLUS THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO OCCUR AT SHEETS.
SO THAT, THAT GIVES, UH, US DATA TO, UM, ANALYZE THE BRAND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD INTERSECTION.
UH, SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY COMPILING THAT, THAT PROCESS.
NOW, THERE'S RIGHT AWAY ROOM FOR US TO MAKE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, BUT, UH, WE WANT TO SEE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AS FAR AS THERE.
SO THAT'S IN PROCESS, GET BACK TO THIS.
UH, SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF AND SETTING THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AS WELL AS THOSE FOUR, UH, COMMERCIAL OUTLAWS, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL.
UH, WE'VE STARTED DOING THIS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UM, TO AGAIN, KIND OF REINFORCE THAT COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UM, IDEAL, UH, ONE THAT THE USES IN CHAPTER 1179, THE, UH, BE PERMITTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FILLING STATIONS, SWEEPSTAKES, CAFES, CONVENIENT STORES, SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES, CAR WASHES, AND THEN OTHER USES DEEMED INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UH, IS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL, UH, COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THOSE, THE, THE DRIVES MEET THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, THE DRIVE, THE TURNING RADIUSES.
WE'LL GET INTO SOME MORE OF THAT DE THROUGH THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN.
AND THEN THE LAST RECOM CONDITION THAT'S RECOMMENDED IS THE EXISTING TREES AND NON EVASIVE VEGETATION THAT ABUT THE PROPERTIES ALONG SCATTER ROOT PLACE AND LABOLA DRIVE BE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED IN A HEALTHY MANNER.
DEAD AND DYING TREES SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A SPECIES APPROVED BY THE CITY.
UM, WE'LL GET TO THAT AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT I WANTED THE, THE APPLICANT THAT STARTS THINKING, UH, ABOUT THAT.
SO, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VAGO? I HAVE ONE.
WHAT IS THE SWEEP STEAK CAFE? UH, UH, ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE LITTLE.
UM, IS THAT WHERE YOU BUY WATER TICKETS? NO, UH, IT, IT'S THE, UM, THEY USED TO CALL 'EM INTERNET CAFES.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY LITTLE GAMBLING HALLS IN STRIP SHOP CENTERS.
THEY WERE ILLEGAL AND NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK.
UH, IT'S A COMMUTER COMPUTERIZED BINGO GAME THAT, UH, OFTEN IS IN, UM, RUNDOWN SHOPPING CENTERS.
JUST SAY KIND A RECENTLY IN ONE OF OUR SHOPPING CENTERS.
YEAH, IT'S KIND OF TENANT OF LAST RESORT.
THAT'S, I'M NOT GONNA DISAGREE.
YEAH, THE PLAN, I SAY PLAN A LOT.
UM, THE PLAN IS ULTIMATELY TO REZONE, UH, ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, AS WE HEAD WEST, UH, UP TO THE, UM, THE BUILT OUT INDUSTRIAL AREAS, UH, THOSE WILL PROBABLY ALL EVENTUALLY GO TO PLAN MIXED USE, WHICH WE'RE NOT FAR FROM IT NOW.
WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL.
THERE'S A HANDFUL OF, UH, OF OTHER PROPERTIES.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A LOOK, UH, AS PART OF THAT KIND OF LARGE SCALE REZONING AT SOME PROPERTIES, UM, ALONG 2 35, UM, AS WE'VE JUST ADOPTED, THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I WANT TO GET AHEAD OF, OF SOME, SOME ISSUES.
MS. ORGO, I DON'T, THIS IS NOT, IS THIS WHERE WE DETERMINE THE MATERIAL OF THE BUILDINGS? NO, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE TOO PREMATURE ON THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I, THE, THE AMOUNT OF BRICK, UH, AND STONE ON THE RESIDENTIAL IS PRETTY LOW.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON SOME OF THESE, IT SHOWS NO BRICK AT ALL ON THESE LAST FEW PAGES, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A MISTAKE.
AND THE ONES THAT IT DOES SHOW, IT'S ONLY LIKE 5%, WHICH, YEAH.
UM, SO THERE WAS A, IT WAS BETWEEN SIX AND 11% ON, ON SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL ELEVATIONS.
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UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAD SIGNIFICANTLY MORE BRICK AND STONE, BUT, UM, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.UH, SO I STILL WANTED TIME TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT WILL BE IN THE DETAILED, YES.
IS, DID THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT? JUST CUZ I KNOW IF I WAS A KID BACK THEN THAT I WOULD'VE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'D SEE ME ON MY BIKE CUTTING THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
NO, I THINK THAT IF, UM, THEY, THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO, IF YOU, IF HE WANT TO, HE DIDN'T EXPRESS ANY CONCERN TO ME ON THIS, UM, WHAT I'VE SAID TO THIS APPLICANT AND ALSO THE, UM, THE HORIZON LINE, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ACCESS POINT HERE FOR FIRE ANYWAY.
AND SO THEY CAN EITHER WALK THROUGH THE GRASS, UH, OR WE CAN PROVIDE A PAVED SURFACE.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A KID, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THERE ANYWAY.
AND IT'S EITHER THROUGH THE MUD ON THE GRASS OR ON A PAGE SURFACE.
UM, I MEAN, I'M, I'M OPEN ON EITHER ON THAT IF THEY HAD A PUSHBACK, I JUST, I JUST KNOW WHAT I, WHEN I WAS A KID WITH THAT WOULD BE, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PRIVATE PLAYGROUND THAT'S NOT A CITY PLAYGROUND INSIDE OF THERE.
I THINK IT'S AT TWO OVER OUR PARK AREA.
THERE'S NO, NOT PLAYGROUND, BUT PARK AREA, OR THERE'S NO PARK AREA.
I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A POOL AND COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT THIS WAS REALLY ABOUT MAKING THE CONNECTION.
IF WE'RE GONNA ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY AND, UH, DISCOURAGE DRIVING THE, THE, THE MORE DIRECT ROUTES THAT WE CAN MAKE TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS, THE BETTER.
AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON THE, UM, THE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE SITE.
BASICALLY THE FILLING STATIONS, CONVENIENCE STORE, ALL THAT.
UM, CAN WE ADD, UH, WE, WE HAVE SELF-STORAGE, INDOOR CLIMATE CONTROL.
I'M SOME INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ON THAT, OR IS I, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE TALKING FOR THE ENTIRE AREA, NOT JUST THESE TWO PARCELS TONIGHT.
SO FOR TONIGHT, THIS WOULD JUST APPLY TO, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THAT, THAT FIRST PART.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND ADD THESE AS OUR RESTRICTIONS ON THE NEXT PART AS WELL TO CONTINUE? I, I DON'T, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT VOTING ON ANY OF IT.
WHEN WE SEE HALF OF THE PROJECT AND THE WORD FAST TRACK BY THE DEVELOPERS IN HERE, AND THE WORD FAST, THE CITY WANTS TO FAST TRACK.
WE'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH FOR THIS.
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT IT BEING RIGHT THAN FAST.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY OBJECTION TO STANDALONE FILLING STATIONS.
UM, WHAT, WELL, MY VIEW IS, IS THAT THIS REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL COVER BASICALLY THE FIRST HALF OF THE SITE, RIGHT.
NOTHING IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD UNTIL ON THE SECOND HALF, UNTIL THE, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REVIEWED THEN FOR THE SECOND HALF, ALONG WITH THE, THE TAIL AT UHIN.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET MANY BITES OF THIS APPLE.
BUT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE.
THEN IT COMES UP LIKE, WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE BIT THE APPLE LAST TWO MEETINGS AGO.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER IT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE WAITED PLENTY OF TIME FOR THIS.
I, I I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT FAST ANYMORE.
UM, BECAUSE THE LAST PARCEL TO THE WEST, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT DIDN'T HAVE AN ENTERTAINMENT FOCUS BECAUSE IT WAS ONE PARCEL PAST THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT LINES WHERE NOW WE'RE IN THOSE LINES.
SO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE US SAY, YEAH, SURE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS PORTION.
AND THEN THE NEXT PORTION SAYS, INSTEAD OF HAVING ENTERTAINMENT, WE HAVE A GROCERY STORE, WHICH I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD TO THE LIST OF EXCLUSIONS IS A GROCERY STORE IF WE COULD, CAUSE THAT'S NOT ENTERTAINING
SO, UM,
WELL, NO, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LIST OF ALL OF IT, RIGHT.
NO SELF STORAGE, INDOOR OUTDOOR CAR WASH.
I DON'T WANNA HAVE FOUR CAR WASHES OR FOUR GROCERIES OR FOUR GAS STATIONS IN A ROW RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T SEE A MARKET HERE FOR ANOTHER.
WELL, I WOULD WON'T HAVE THAT PATH.
UM,
UM, I, I, I THINK IT MAKES, SO I THINK THAT IF THERE WERE A HIGH-END GROCER THAT HAD A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND NOT THE, YOU KNOW, 80,000 SQUARE FOOT MEYER STORE THAT'S DOWN THERE, MAYBE THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
CAN WE SAY THEN THAT THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE OF THE HOUSING? I DON'T NEED, NO, HOUSING HAS TO BE A COMPONENT TO FUND A LOT OF THIS STUFF, BUT YES.
AT THE SAME TIME, IF THE CITY BOUGHT THIS LAND TO JUST TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY, WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD THE SAME OLD THING.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMING AND BRING IT IN.
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THAT'S TRUE.BUT THE, THE RETAIL, UH, AND THE ENTERTAINMENT COMMERCIAL DOESN'T COME WITHOUT ADDITIONAL ROOFTOPS.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE FOCUS STAYS ON WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TOLD IS COMING FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD HAS CHANGED.
BUT I KNOW WHERE MR. CASSIDY AND I LIVE, WE WERE TOLD VERY CLEARLY ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WERE COMING TO THIS AREA WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSES BACK THERE.
AND GROCERY DOESN'T FIT THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE, IF WE'RE GETTING TO SEE A PIECE OF THE PROJECT THAT THE REST OF THE PROJECT MATCHES WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD INSTEAD OF, HEY, GET THE YES TODAY, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE LATER AND GO FOR ANOTHER YES.
LATER, WHICH HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
SO I, I, I WOULD PROPOSE, I WOULD NOT THEM FOR PEST BAD ACTORS, BUT, YOU KNOW, YES.
SHANE, YOU KNOW, FOOL ME ONCE.
I THINK, UM, SO I WOULD POSE THAT QUESTION TO ANDREW HERE, WHO'S FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
I DON'T THINK THE, THE EAST HALF HAS BEEN DESIGNED YET AT ALL.
UM, WHICH IS, I'M SURE THEY HAVE AN IDEA THOUGH.
THEY DON'T SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY WITHOUT AN IDEA.
SO I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL WILL BE DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO HOW WELL THIS DOES.
UM, SO IF, IF THERE'S MOVING FORWARD, IF THERE IS A MORE DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE COMMERCIAL.
UH, I DON'T, THERE IS A COMMITMENT FOR, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS WHY WE SUBDIVIDED OUT THAT, THAT STUFF ALONG EXECUTIVE WAS THAT THAT WAS A, AT LEAST THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN ON THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE LABELED RETAIL YEAH.
AND ON ONE OF THE RENDERINGS, IT LOOKED VERY RETAIL, NOT VERY RESTAURANT.
UM, CAN WE GET A COMMITMENT ON WHAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE? BECAUSE AGAIN, ENTERTAINMENT, I UNDERSTAND SOME, THERE'S, THERE'S RETAIL THERAPY AND SHOPPING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
I KNOW WE'RE ON THE BASIC STAGE.
LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I DON'T, DON'T LIKE SURPRISES LATER.
I'LL LET HIM ADDRESS FROM YOU TO THEM OR THEM TO US.
I DON'T WANT THEM SURPRISED ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS LATER.
I HAVE, UM, I'VE TAKEN, UM, ONE, UH, RESTAURANT GROUP OWNER, UM, TO THIS SITE.
THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IT BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING AND THE DENSITY OF THE HOUSING.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, THIS, THIS WILL LEND ITSELF TO BE MORE OF A RESTAURANT TAVERN KIND OF USE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, HE AND I HAVE NOT HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF 10 A MIX THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AND ON THE, CAN YOU GO TO THE RENDERINGS OF THE, UH, SORRY, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD.
ON THE RENDERINGS WITH THE RETAIL, CAN YOU JUST PULL ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS OR YOU YEAH, THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT ONE'S FINE IF WE CAN GO TO THAT.
SO IS THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, DO WE KNOW, IS THE GOAL FOR THAT TO BE A SINGLE USER OR MULTIPLE USERS IN THAT BUILDING? SO THE WAY THE BAYS ARE THAT BUILDING'S DESIGNED, IT CAN BE, UM, CHOPPED UP IN RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT GOES BACK TO THE SAME OLD STRIPS OF SMALL STORES INSTEAD OF SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS MAKES ME, WHICH NOTHING AGAINST THEM, BUT I KNOW IN TROY THEY'VE GOT LIKE AT AND T AND CHICK-FIL-A IN A BUILDING AND WE GOT STARBUCKS IN THE MATTRESS STORE IN A BUILDING.
THAT IS, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN, IN THE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITHIN THESE WALLS, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN ANOTHER FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO LIST ON THE RESTRICTIONS, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT, WOULD BE QUICKER RESTAURANTS, QSRS, SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND COVER THAT, OR AT LEAST LIMIT IT SO WE DON'T HAVE 10 QSRS IN THERE.
SO IF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE, UM, I WOULD SAY IF THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE CITY.
WE JUST NEED TO GET IT IN WRITING.
I ALSO THINK BY DOING THAT, YOU ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BOXING IN THE MARKET NOW.
I THINK THE, AND, AND I'M JUST LAYING THAT OUT THERE.
I KNOW WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD FOR YEARS BY MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND IN COUNCIL AND IN STAFF OF WHAT'S COMING.
AND I'M FINE WITH BOXING IN THE MARKET.
SO WE'VE BEEN PATIENT ENOUGH, AGAIN, NOT WORRIED ABOUT FAST TRACKING IT AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER NOT GET IT THAN GET IT WRONG.
HOW'S THE REST OF YOU FEEL ABOUT QRS, QRS, THAT'S YOUR FAST FOOD DRIVE-THROUGH STUFF? I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM.
WELL, THIS BEING AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY BELONG THERE.
I, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANY PLACE ELSE IN THE CITY IF THEY WANT TO GO THERE.
BUT I REALLY LIKE THE POINT THAT HE HAS MADE IS THAT THIS IS ONE PIECE OF LAND THAT THE CITY DOES OWN.
IN THE PAST, WE DIDN'T OWN THE LAND, IT WAS OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE SELLING
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THE LAND, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT WE HAVE CONTROL ON.AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO COME INTO THE CITY, WE CAN JUST WAIT FOR 'EM UNTIL THEY GET HERE IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.
SO I, THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT THERE, WHAT YEAH.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, SO I'M MORE THAN TWO HATS HERE.
UM, I THINK A BETTER APPROACH TO LIMIT THE QSRS IS TO PROHIBIT DRIVE-THROUGHS.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, BARS AND RESTAURANTS THAT I WOULD ARGUE ARE QUICK SERVICE, BUT, UM, I DON'T, I THINK THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS WHAT CHANGES THE DYNAMIC OF WHO IT ATTRACTS AND THE, THE CHICK-FIL-A, THE DONUT PLACE MM-HMM.
SO I THINK LIMITING THE DRIVE-THROUGH, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THIS, UH, SITE IS LAID OUT, PROBABLY MAKES MORE SENSE THAN ELIMINATING AN ENTIRE CATEGORY OF, OF USERS.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY COMMENT IS I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I, I THINK THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS THE REAL ISSUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND THE PATTERN'S DIFFERENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I THINK IF A SMALL MOM POP DELI WANTED TO ROLL UP IN THERE, FINE.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO DRIVE-THROUGH, NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S THE DRIVE THROUGH ISSUE THAT GETS STICKY FOR ME.
SO, AND I DON'T THINK THIS, I DON'T THINK THE WAY THAT THIS IS PLATTED OUT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT AT ALL.
WE'VE SEEN PLENTY OF BIG CHANGES COME DOWN.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THESE QUESTIONS ARE COMING.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST THIS APP.
SO HOW YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LINING UP AND IT'S A BUNCH OF DRIVE-THROUGHS INSTEAD.
I MEAN, IT OBVIOUSLY IT'S SIT DOWN DINING, YOU KNOW, TAVERN TYPE ESTABLISHMENTS IS WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TOLD IS THE, THE PLAN AND THE INTENT.
UM, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION IF NOBODY ELSE GO AHEAD.
UM, ON THE PARCEL TO THE WEST, WE ALSO MADE SURE TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS ROOM, IF WE EVER HAD TO DO THE EXPANSION ON EXECUTIVE FOR THAT 11 FEET, WE TALKED ABOUT AND WE TOLD THE, TOLD THAT APPLICANT THAT, TRUST ME, IF I ASKED YOU FOR THAT 11 FEET, I'M ASKING THE NEXT GUY.
SO I'M ASKING THE NEXT GUY FOR THE 11 FEET.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
I THINK IF, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE ROAD IN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE GET INTO THIS JAM LATER ON, WE WE CAN GOT IT.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING, AGAIN, LEARN FROM OUR PAST MISTAKES.
AND I KNOW ON THE LAST ONE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE, WE HAD THE ROOM, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD THE GAS LINE ISSUE ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON THIS PARCEL SOUTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT 11 FEET, I DON'T THINK ON AT LEAST THE, THE EASTERN HALF.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE IT UP UNTIL BASICALLY THE EXIT, THE HOTEL WE HAVE UNTIL ABOUT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT, RIGHT ABOUT THE HOTEL EXIT MM-HMM.
AND THEN THAT CREEK COMES ACROSS DOWN THROUGH HERE.
AND THEN, UH, SO WE HAVE SOME ROOM TO PLAY WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT WE HAVE, AGAIN, PART OF THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, IF WE HAVE A LOOK AT THAT, RIGHT.
THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM TO TAKE TO SHAVE OFF A LITTLE ON BOTH SIDES IF WE NEED TO.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE FINAL PLANS COME IN, THAT WHEN WE'RE ALL NOT UP HERE ANYMORE, IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM THAT YEP.
UM, AND I KNOW CONCERT NIGHTS ONLY A HANDFUL OF NIGHTS A YEAR, WHATEVER DEVELOPER COMES IN AND TELLS US.
BUT I CAN AGAIN SAY IT'S THE REASON THERE'S INTEREST IN THE AREA.
THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE EYEBALLS.
YOU'VE HAMMERED THAT HOME WITH ME.
SO AARON, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE SIDEWALKS THAT YOU SAID WOULD BE TO THE NEW STANDARD.
THE NEW STANDARD IS SORT OF A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, GRASS TREES BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE SIDEWALK.
ARE WE GONNA SEE THAT HERE? SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, UM, OUR, OUR CURRENT STANDARD IS ON A, ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE IS SIX FEET.
UM, AS FAR AS SIDEWALK WIDTH, UM, WHAT WE'VE ASKED AS PART OF MAKING CONNECTIONS TO CARRIAGE TRAIL AS WELL AS, UH, ALL OF CAR, YEAH.
CARRIAGE HILL, UH, AS FAR AS WITH ALL OF THESE APARTMENTS IS A WIDER SIDEWALK TO ACCOMMODATE BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS.
SO THAT 10 FOOT WHERE WE LAND AS FAR AS THE MULTI, WHERE THE TREES LAND ON, WHETHER IT'S THE STREET SIDE OR ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, UM, PATH, IS TO BE DETERMINED PARTLY DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE WIDTH OF THE, IF WE NEED TO TAKE, IF WE NEED TO SHAVE OFF,
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UH, FOUR ADDITIONAL ROADWAY RIGHT WAY.BUT THE SIDEWALK ON EXECUTIVE WILL BE THE 10 FEET.
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 10 FEET ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE ONLY, UH, REQUIRED, UM, SIX THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF EXECUTIVE OR JUST FOR THIS PARCEL FROM RIGHT NOW IT IS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE RE REQUIRING IS FROM, ESSENTIALLY FROM THE NORTH, FROM ACROSS, FROM MORE WELL THE NEUBAUER SITE.
SO ALL OF THE WAY TO BRANT, CUZ THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO DO IT.
AND THEN THE ULTIMATE IDEA IS THAT WE THEN BEGIN TO TAKE THAT SAME WIDTH UP BRANCH TO CONNECT WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY AND START TO MAKE THAT 14 MILE LOOP.
BUT THIS IS INCREMENTAL AS WE, AS IT COMES AS WE CAN DO IT.
MR. JEFFRIES, ON THE, UH, COMMERCIAL PARCEL TO THE WEST, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE, IS THAT GONNA BE CONNECTED TO THIS ENTRANCE AND LOT INSTEAD OF HAVING A DEDICATED OUT OR DEDICATED OUT AND AN ENTRANCE THROUGH TO KEEP TRAFFIC FLOW? DO WE KNOW YET? AND WHAT THE GOAL WOULD BE? DON'T, YEAH, SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET WHAT WE WOULD PREFER.
UM, WHAT SHOULD PUT THESE, UH, I'LL JUST GO FROM HERE PROGNOSTICATING.
WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THERE WILL BE A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE PROBABLY TO THE NORTH HERE.
SO IT'LL LINE UP THESE FOUR PROPERTIES WITH THIS.
I THINK THAT THIS STREAM IS GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A, I'M GONNA GUESS THERE'LL BE, UH, ACCESS HERE AND HERE, BUT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED AS, AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS STREAM ISSUE, WHICH BASICALLY COMES DOWN, COMES UP, AND THEN DOWN ACROSS.
SO DOES THAT STREAM ISSUE LEND US TO BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SINGLE USER ON THAT SPACE WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, OR MULTIPLE? NO, NO.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THERE'S ROOM FOR AT LEAST TWO.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE END PROJECT IS SHAPING UP.
YEAH, SO THE DEVELOPER METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS, THEY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
UM, SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, IT'LL ALL BE PROBABLY DONE BY THE SAME PERSON, THE SAME GROUP.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? EXCUSE ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DO ONE MORE, SORRY.
SO I KNOW WE HOOKED THE RATIO VERSUS MARION MEADOWS, UH, ON TOTAL PARKING.
DO WE KNOW WHAT, BECAUSE THIS ONE'S PRETTY HEAVY IN GARAGE SPACES WHERE THE ONE AT MARION MEADOWS I DON'T THINK WAS AS HEAVY.
AND, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE APPLICANT BASED ON THEIR PROJECTS, THEY KNOW THEIR CLIENTS MORE, UM, IS WHEN WE LOOK AT A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL DEPARTMENTS, WE WORRY ABOUT GARAGES BEING USED LIKE FOR STORAGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S QUITE THE CASE WITH THIS DEMOGRAPHIC.
UM, BUT JUST SOMETHING I WANNA BRING UP AS A QUESTION IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT THE APPLICANTS BETTER, UH, SUITED ANSWER THAT THAN, THAN I AM.
TH THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT HAS, UM, BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, AT A COUPLE PLACES IN TEXAS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS, UM, WITH THE HOARDER VERSUS NON HOARDER, RIGHT?
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF ACQUISITIONS AND DEVELOPMENT WITH RHM REAL ESTATE GROUP.
UM, SO AARON DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
I THINK SUMMARIZING, GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON US, UH, AND, AND THE PROJECT.
UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, SO WE'RE BASED IN LINDHURST, WHICH IS A SUBURB OF CLEVELAND, OHIO.
UH, WE'RE A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED FIRM.
SO WE DO EVERYTHING FROM DEVELOPMENT ACQUISITIONS, WE MANAGE THE PROPERTIES, WE DO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION IN-HOUSE.
UM, ALL IN, WE HAVE ABOUT 10,000 UNITS UNDER MANAGEMENT.
UM, MAJORITY OF THAT IS OWNED BY US.
WE DO SOME THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE IN 13 STATES, LARGELY CONCENTRATED IN NORTHEAST OHIO.
UM, THIS, UH, THIS IS A, A, A PRODUCT, UH, AS AARON MENTIONED, THAT'S
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BEEN, UM, DEVELOPED BY A FIRM BASED OUTTA TEXAS, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S, IT'S EVEN FOUND ITS WAY ALREADY INTO OHIO.THERE'S A A, A PROJECT CALLED SUGAR CREEK AT WATERFORD NEARBY HERE IN DAYTON, UH, WHERE THE, THEY CALL IT THE BIG HOUSE WHERE THE BIG HOUSE HAS BEEN USED.
UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A VARIATION OF A GARDEN STYLE.
I THINK THE, THE, WE SEE THE ADVANTAGE BEING THAT, UH, EACH UNIT HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE THAT HAS DIRECT ACCESS INTO THAT UNIT.
SO ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, THERE MAY BE 12 GARAGE SPACES.
INDIVIDUAL GARAGES WILL EITHER DIRECTLY ACCESS A UNIT THAT'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR BEHIND IT OR HAVE A STAIRWELL DIRECTLY UP TO A UNIT, DEDICATED UNIT, UH, THAT'S UPSTAIRS.
SO FOR THESE, UH, 30 SOME BUILDINGS, EACH ONE HAS 12 GARAGE SPACES AND 10 UNITS IN IT.
SO THERE'S 30 BUILDINGS, 300 UNITS.
UM, THEY ARE, UM, SKINNED, UM, COHESIVELY.
BUT I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE SOME VARI, SOME VARIATION AMONGST IT.
UM, UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WE MIGHT NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AGGRESSIVE IN OUR APPLICATION OF THE MASONRY ELEMENTS.
UH, JUST A CLARIFICATION, YOU, YOU NOTED THAT TWO OF THE DRAWINGS DID NOT SHOW MASONRY.
THEY, THEY LEFT OUT THE, UM, THE PROPORTIONATE AMOUNT, BUT, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY ON THERE.
IT'S THE SAME, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT THAT IT'S BETWEEN SIX TO 12% DEPENDING ON THE FACADE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY WORK, UM, TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO APPLY WHATEVER, UM, SECTION OF CODE AND, AND KIND OF STANDARDS YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE.
UM, BEYOND THAT, UH, I'M HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, A AS AARON MENTIONED, UM, WE'RE KIND OF FAST TRACKING, JUST JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME, SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT AND WHY THAT IS, HOW THAT CAME TO BE.
AS YOU KNOW, UH, HORIZON LINE WAS A GROUP, UH, THAT HAD THIS, UM, I GUESS UNDER CONTRACT AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR SOME TIME.
UH, THEY CAME TO FIND OUT, I THINK THAT, THAT THEIR CORE PRODUCT THAT THEY REALLY FOCUS ON, UH, WAS NOT RIGHT.
IT WASN'T WHAT THE CITY WANTED.
UH, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND SO THEY, THEY BROUGHT IT TO US, UM, A LITTLE BIT KIND OF AT, AT THE 11TH HOUR, I GUESS, IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS COMING TO AN END.
SO LAST NIGHT WE RECEIVED A, AN EXTENSION FROM COUNCIL TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, UH, BUT 45 DAYS TO, TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE CLOSING, WHICH REALLY IS JUST KNOWING THAT THE, THE ZONING IS THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WE'RE PRESENTING.
WE, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND, WE'LL BE BACK TO, TO GET INTO MORE DETAILS WITH YOU AND WORK THROUGH ALL THAT.
SO, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
THESE ARE ALL RENTALS, CORRECT? YES.
THESE ARE ALL, ALL APARTMENT RENTALS.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S MARKET RATE.
UM, IT, UH, IT'S PRETTY, THE TARGET RENTS THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT, WHAT YOU FIND AT PARKVIEW.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, INFORMATION.
SO THE, THE UNIT MIX NOW, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, I THINK, UM, IS 40% ONE BEDROOMS, UH, 52%, TWO BEDROOMS, AND THEN 8%, THREE BEDROOMS. PRICING OF THOSE UNITS PROBABLY WILL RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, $1,200 TO $2,000 FOR THE, THE THREE BEDROOMS IS KIND OF THE, THE RANGE OF IT.
MR. CASSIDY, WHAT ARE THE KEY DIFFERENCES? I WASN'T HERE FOR THE HORIZON LINE CONVERSATIONS.
WHAT ARE THE KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEIR PRODUCT AND YOUR PRODUCT AND, AND WHAT MAKES YOUR PRODUCT FIT THIS AREA VERSUS HORIZON LINE? SURE.
UM, SO AT A HIGH LEVEL DENSITY, I MEAN THEY, I THINK ON THE SAME AMOUNT OF LAND HAD ABOUT 150 SOME UNITS.
UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRODUCT THAT'S, UM, GAINING A LOT OF TRACTION ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
PEOPLE REFER TO IT DIFFERENTLY.
UH, BUILT TO RENT IS ONE WAY THAT IT'S REFERRED TO, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S A, IT'S A SINGLE FLOOR OR IT CAN BE TOWNHOUSES, UH, UNITS CLUSTERED TOGETHER, UH, WITH ATTACHED GARAGES.
UM, MOST OF THEM ARE RANCH STYLE.
UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SPRAWLED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT TENDS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL, I THINK, APPLICATION.
UM, BUT IT, I DON'T THINK IT MET, UM, WHAT WE'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS THE CITY'S VISION FOR THIS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A LIVELY AND ENTERTAINMENT MASISTIC TO HAVE, TO HAVE DENSITY TO HAVE APPEAL TO A YOUNGER GENERATION PERHAPS.
UM, AND THIS PRODUCT TYPE, I THINK DOES EXACTLY THAT.
UM, SO, AND HAVE YOU EVER USED AIRBNB OR ANY TYPE OF, UH, OTHER ONLINE TOOL TO TEMPORARILY FILL ANY APARTMENTS IN YOUR PORTFOLIO? WE HAVE NOT, NO.
WE'VE ACQUIRED BUILDINGS WHERE THEY'VE HAD, UM, A PORTION THAT WAS, I GUESS THE CLOSEST THING TO THAT WOULD BE LIKE CORPORATE RENTALS.
THERE'S COMPANIES LIKE ONE IN, IN THE CLEVELAND AREA CALLED FRONT DESK, UM, WHERE IT'S, IT'S REALLY GEARED TOWARDS WORKING WITH CORPORATIONS IN TOWN TO, TO SET ASIDE UNITS.
BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE AN ALLOCATION TO AIRBNB.
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YOU.I THINK FOR MR. CASSIE, TWO, THE ONE OF THE BIGGIES ON THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WAS ALL SINGLE STORIES AND HAD NONE OF THE FRONTAGE COMPONENT.
IT WAS NOTHING BUT RESIDENTIAL.
SO, UH, I GUESS ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THE, THE COMMERCIAL UP FRONT AS FAR AS ANTICIPATED TYPES OF USERS OR TARGETS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, CUZ OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL GOING IN A LITTLE BLIND ON THE USER IN THE END.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A, A CALLING FOR YEARS IN THE CITY FOR MORE SIT DOWN, BETTER OPTION DINING.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE, THE QUESTIONS KEEP COMING UP ABOUT WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
I, I GUESS, AND I UNDERSTAND TOO, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE OF THE TAVERN STYLE IN AND OUT.
LIKE WE'VE GOT THE WORKEDED WING GOING IN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AROUND, RIGHT UP THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A NICE OPTION.
BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A STEAKHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE WAS, UM, LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE BASICALLY HAD ASSIGNED TO US THAT TALKS ABOUT THESE BEING RESTAURANTS, TAVERNS, I THINK IT DOES MENTION THE WORD BARS, YOU KNOW, UM, ENTERTAINMENT TYPE OF PLACES, PLACES THAT ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO SOMEONE GOING TO A CONCERT.
WE GET THAT AND WE LOVE THAT VISION.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY OUR GOAL.
AS YOU'VE NOTED THESE, THE BOXES ON THE DRAWING DON'T REPRESENT THAT.
THE PROPORTIONS AREN'T REALLY SET UP FOR THAT.
USUALLY THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT OR A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, THIS WAS JUST MEANT TO BE KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW WE'LL TIE THAT COMMERCIAL PIECE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, HOW IT'S KIND OF THE FRONT DOOR, HOW IT FRONTS, YOU KNOW, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'LL LARGELY BE USER DRIVEN.
UM, SO AS WE BEGIN TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, A BROKER, UM, EXPLORE RELATIONSHIPS, UH, BOTH, YOU KNOW, UM, USING THE CITY'S EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF, OF WHO WANTS TO BE HERE, WHO'S COME TO YOU AND SAID, WE'D LIKE TO BE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FIND THOSE PEOPLE AND WE'RE GONNA DEMONSTRATE TO THE CITY AS KIND OF AS TERMS OF OUR OPTION THAT WE HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM THE RIGHT TYPE OF USER.
SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY INTEREST IN, IN THE, THE QSR CERTAINLY NOT THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
UH, I THINK AARON'S RIGHT, IN MY OPINION, RETAIL IS ALWAYS CHANGING.
NEW CONCEPTS THAT ARE COMING OUT THAT I WOULDN'T WANNA SAY NO TO IF WE HAD A SPACE THAT ACCOMMODATES IT, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT WE'RE TARGETING.
I THINK THE NO OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH ELIMINATES A LOT OF THAT JUST BY, I MEAN, THE APPEAL, I MEAN THE, THE LOOK OF IT AT LEAST AND THE, THE TRAFFIC BACKUP AND ANYTHING ELSE COMES WITH IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO GONNA LIMIT THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? GO AHEAD.
SO THERE WAS A, A GATE MENTIONED, I THINK, UM, WHERE THAT ROUNDABOUT TO THE ENTRANCE IS, IS THAT, IS THAT GONNA BE STAFFED? IS THAT GONNA BE AUTOMATIC? IS THAT REALLY GONNA BE THERE.
ANY COMMENTS THERE? YEAH, SO ACTUALLY WE, THEY MIGHT BE SHOWING, THE ARCHITECTS MAY HAVE PUT GATE THERE.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY DEFINED WHAT, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IN TERMS OF, IS THAT A, A SECURED GATE THAT'S CONTROLLED FOR ACCESS OR IS IT A, A GATE IN THE SENSE OF AN ENTRY, KIND OF PROMENADE, UM, JUST ANNOUNCING THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ENTERING A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S FREE ACCESS.
UM, I, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED AND OPERATE DON'T HAVE A, A TRUE GATE.
I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS WHAT FITS.
WE WANT THIS TO FEEL OPEN, WE WANT IT TO FEEL CONNECTED.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I, I GUESS THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN THOUGHT OF NECESSARILY AS A GATEHOUSE WITH A SECURITY GUARD MEANT TO BE A, A SECURITY ISSUE TYPE OF THING.
YEAH, I THINK MY ONLY COMMENT TO FOLLOW UP IS IF, IF THERE IS A, A GENUINE GATE THERE, I THINK THREE OR FOUR SPOTS OUTSIDE OF THE CLUBHOUSE IN THE EVENT THAT YOU'VE GOT VISITORS, SO.
MR. JEFFRIES, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? NO, NO, NO.
I JUST, I MEAN, I GUESS JUST TO CONFIRM WHICH THIS WOULD BE MORE IN THE DETAILED PHASE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIALS.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR RELIANCE OR OUR, OUR REQUIREMENT ON THE MASONRY MATERIALS AND THE SCENERY.
IT DOESN'T SHOW MASONRY, BUT THERE'S CEMENT BOARD AND STONE AND STUFF IN THE BOTTOM.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DISCOUNT THE FACT THAT CEMENT BOARD IS GONNA GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF THAT LOOK OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE HIM THINK THAT, HEY, THE WHOLE THING JUST IS VINYL LOOKING.
IT'S, I THINK THE CEMENT BOARD LENDS ITSELF TO A NICE MODERN LOOK, ACTUALLY IN A LOT OF PLACES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.
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HERE.DO WE NEED TO, UM, UH, FILL IN ANYTHING ON YOUR PERMITTED USES HERE AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT? UM, I THINK THE, UH, CONSENSUS IS TO JUST, UH, TO ADD DRIVE THROUGHS AS AN EXCLUSION.
YOU GOOD? EVERYBODY GOOD? YEAH.
WHEN WE SAY DRIVE THROUGHS, I MEAN THAT COULD MEAN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW ON THE SIDE THAT COULD BE LIKE THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THE ACTUAL DRIVE-THROUGH QUICKER PLACES, LIKE, BUT NO DRIVE-THROUGH OR DRIVE UP.
CAUSE WE GOT HUNG WITH THAT ONE TOO.
SO WE HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH COMING THAT WAS TOLD DRIVE UP RETAIL AND IT'S OKAY.
GONNA HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT THAT'S BEING BELT.
SO YOU'LL HELP ME ON THE, LIKE WITH THE LANGUAGE ON THAT? YEAH.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? RHM REAL ESTATE GROUP FOR APPROVAL OF A REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRES FROM P E P PLAN, EMPLOYMENT PARK, THE PM PLAN, MIXED USE, AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR APPROXIMATELY 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND FOUR COMMERCIAL OUT FOUR COMMERCIAL OUTLETS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, R Z BDP 23 DASH OH EIGHT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS? SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS WILL MOVE TO, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON THE 20TH.
UH, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON APRIL 24TH.
AS AMENDED, DIDN'T WE? CORRECT? MM-HMM.
NEXT ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDA IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
ACE CAR WASH IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 77 30 BRANT PIKE, MJC 2307, MR. CRELL.
OKAY, SO, SO THE SITE IS, UH, ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
UH, IT IS A VACANT OFFICE BUILDING.
UH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY.
THERE'S A B3 TO THE NORTH, AND THEN R FOUR ACROSS THE STREET ON, UH, ON BRENT.
UH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A MAJOR CHANGE TO, FOR THE, TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO, UH, RAISE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY.
UH, IT IS ON THE, UM, SUGAR GROVE, SULFUR GROVE.
UH, WALMART IS THE, THE KEY ANCHOR.
UH, THIS WAS FIFTH THIRD BANK, WHICH HAS BEEN VACANT FOR, UH, SOME TIME.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO PURCHASE THIS, UH, TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, BUILD THE CARWASH ON THE EXISTING, UM, FOUNDATION.
UH, SO THE ORIENTATION OF THE CAR WASH IS PRETTY MUCH UNCHANGED AS THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IT'S COME UP BY PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT THE, UH, UM, UH, CONSERVATION AREA.
SO THIS SITE IS NOT PART OF THE CONSERVATION AREA.
WALMART IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, THAT STREAM, THAT RETENTION POND AND STREAM, THAT CONSERVATION AREA, WHICH ACTUALLY FLOWS TO THE NORTH.
UM, DON AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING CON CONVERSATIONS ABOUT NOT ONLY THIS ONE, BUT THERE'S THE ONE IN FRONT OF TJ CHUMPS, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS, UH, THAT WE NEED TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND.
AND I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED IS THAT WE, UH, DO AN AMENDMENT TO SOME OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
CUZ FOR THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, IT'S A DO NOT DISTURB AREA.
UM, AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MANY OF THE OPERATORS FEEL THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO GO IN AND, AND MAINTAIN IT OTHER THAN OCCASIONALLY CLEANING OUT
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THE TRASH BAGS AND THE, THE LITTER.UM, SO IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A MESS, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO GET, GET AHEAD OF ON FOR WALMART AND A COUPLE OTHERS.
SO THE, THE SITE IS IN RELATIVELY GOOD CONDITION.
UH, THIS ONE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT PLANS TO REUSE THE BUILDING SLAB, THE DRIVEWAYS IN MUCH OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING.
UH, THE OVERGROWN CONSERVATION AREA IS NOT PART OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION.
UM, THE REASON IT WAS, UH, PULLED AND CANCELED LAST, UH, FOR THE LAST MEETING WAS FIRE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SOME CON CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS, UH, IN CASE OF A FIRE.
SO THEY ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT.
SO THAT ADDED THIS PAVEMENT HERE, WHICH IN THE CASE OF A FIRE, GIVES THE, THE RIGHT TURNING RADIUS FOR A APPARATUS TO GET IN AND OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A BUNCH OF, UH, BACKING UP AND, AND TURNS AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, THIS SITE PLAN AS IT'S, UH, AS IT'S BEEN REVISED.
WITH THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF BUSHES, UH, AND HEDGES AROUND THE, UH, THE PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT.
THE APPLICANT IS ADDING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, INCLUDING, UH, PARKING LOT TREES AND ADDITIONAL, UH, BUFFERS ALONG WHAT WOULD BE THE AREA OF WHERE THE VACUUM, UM, THE VACUUM CENTERS WILL BE.
THERE'S A BIG GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN, UM, BRANT PIKE AND THE SITE.
THE SITE'S PRETTY SUNKEN, UH, DOWN, SO I AM LESS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, NOISE THAN I NORMALLY WOULD.
UH, THIS IS A CENTRAL VACUUM SYSTEM, SO THEY'RE NOT AS LOUD AS IF THERE WERE 20 INDIVIDUAL, UH, VACUUMS, UH, THE APPLICANT IS.
AND SO WE'RE ALSO JUST IN THE BASIC, UH, DESIGN PHASE HERE.
BUT THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO DOING AS ESSENTIALLY AS MUCH SCREENING, UH, AS, AS WE, UH, REQUIRE TO BREAK UP THE VISUAL.
UH, THE VISUAL, UH, THE, THE, THE, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT CLUTTER, BUT THE CONCENTRATION OF THE VACUUM AND PARKING AREA.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE ELEVATIONS OF THE, OF THE TUNNEL, UM, CAR WASH.
UH, IT'S CLAD IN, UH, METAL AND BRICK.
UM, AS FAR AS CAR WASHES GO, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST, UH, ATTRACTIVE, UH, THAT, THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'VE SEEN, UH, THE SIGNAGE MEETS, UH, THE, THE TWO SIGNS APPEAR TO, UH, MEET THE, THE SIGN CODE AS WELL AS THE MONUMENT SIGN.
UM, THE, UH, I BELIEVE WILL MEET, UH, THE CODE AS WELL.
THIS IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, STACKING PLAN.
SO ON THOSE DEGREE DAYS THAT IT'S 50 DEGREES AFTER, UM, THE ROADS WERE SALTED THE PREVIOUS DAY, UM, THIS IS, UH, I BELIEVE 51, UH, STACKING SPACES COMPARED TO ABOUT 30 AT MERRILY WAY.
UM, SO, UH, WHAT ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE IS SOME KIND OF SWING GATE, UH, AT THE ENTRANCE.
UH, THE CITY ENGINEER FEELS THAT THAT IS GONNA BE MORE OF A DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE, UH, WAITING IN LINE AT CEDAR HILL DRIVE THAN IF THERE WERE JUST, UH, AN ATTENDANT WITH SOME CONES.
UH, SO HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SWING GATE OF SOME SORT.
WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR HOW IT WORKS, BUT, UM, UH, WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER DETERRENT ON THOSE HANDFUL OF DAYS WHERE THIS COULD BE AN ISSUE.
SO, AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ANALYSIS, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGULATIONS UNDER CHAPTER 1171, THE GENERAL PROVISIONS AS WELL AS 1172, THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO THE CAR WASH IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS BANK USE, WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE IT REQUIRES A MAJOR CHANGE APPROVAL.
THE CODE IS A LITTLE IN SQUISHY IN THAT, BUT I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE, THE, UH, THE BEST PROCESS SO THAT NOT ONLY YOU, BUT COUNCIL HAS AN OPTION TO, TO WEIGH IN HERE.
SO THE CAR WASH IS 4,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE EXTERIOR IS A MIXTURE OF CULTURED BRICK, UH, AND METAL SIDING.
THE FACILITY ITSELF MEETS ALL THE PARKING, SETBACK AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
I MENTIONED THE LANDSCAPING'S GONNA BE REUSED AS WELL AS AUGMENTED, WHICH, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, WHICH, UH, MY INITIAL REVIEW OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPEARS TO MEET THE CODE.
UH, THE PLAN MONUMENT SIGN AND WALL SIGNS ALSO APPEAR TO MEET CODE.
SO THE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU MEASURE
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THE SIGN, IT'S EITHER SIX OR SEVEN AND A HALF FEET TALL, PARTLY BECAUSE THIS, THE, THE GROUND SLOPES TO THE, TO THE BACK, IT FALLS OFF.UH, SO THE SIGN HEIGHT CLOSEST TO THE SIDEWALK IS ROUGHLY SIX FEET.
ON THE BACKSIDE, WHERE IT DROPS FROM THE GRADE TO THE TOP OF THE SIGN WOULD BE, UH, ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF.
BUT THERE'S, UNLESS THEY WERE TO BUILD UP, UM, THE LEVEL OUT THE GROUND, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS, IS NECESSARY AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AND ACCESSIBILITY, UH, UNDER ITEM C OF THE STANDARDS OF APPROVAL, UM, WE HAD CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, REGARDING TRAFFIC AND QUEUING.
UH, PARTLY THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT A GATE CAME IN.
SO THIS SITE CAN QUEUE UP TO 51 VEHICLES COMPARED TO 31 AT MERRILEE WAY.
WE ALSO FEEL THAT THIS WILL GREATLY IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AT ULTRA PIKE AND, UH, AND MERRILY BECAUSE THE, THE CUSTOMERS THAT THEY HAVE WILL BASICALLY BE ABLE TO SPLIT BETWEEN TWO, UM, TWO FACILITIES.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE CONCENTRATED, THERE'S A LOT NORTH, UH, OF 70, AND THEY WILL HAVE A CHOICE OF EITHER GOING TO THE ONE AT OLD TROY PIKE OR THE ONE AT BRANT PIKE.
UH, AND THERE WAS A SIMILAR SITUATION, WHICH I WILL, UH, REFER TO IN A MINUTE OF, OF THAT THAT HAPPENED IN COLUMBUS, WHERE IT BASICALLY CUT THE PEAK DAYS OR THE PEAK AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN HALF FOR BOTH.
AND SO I, WE THINK IT'LL LEVEL IT OUT BETWEEN THE TWO FACILITIES.
SO THE ENGINEER RECOMMENDS A SWING GATE BE INSTALLED ALONG CEDAR HILL DRIVE TO CLEARLY BLOCK THAT ENTRANCE, UH, ENTRANCE.
THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS INDICATED THEY'RE FINE WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT THEY HAD OF A FACILITY THAT THEY HAD IN COLUMBUS, UM, ON, ON BROAD STREET.
SO THE RED LINE WAS THEIR FIRST FACILITY, AND ON DAYS WHERE IT WAS WARM AFTER A SNOW, UM, THEY HAD SIGNIFICANT PEAKING OF, OF TRAFFIC WHEN THEY OPENED UP THE SECOND FACILITY, WHICH IS THE GREEN LINE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE TRAFFIC AT EACH FACILITY BASICALLY BALANCED BETWEEN THE TWO.
WE THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE AS WELL.
UH, SO WE'RE SEEING SIGNIFICANT PEAKS, UH, AT MERRILEE DURING INCLEMENT, OR THE DAY AFTER INCLEMENT WEATHER.
UM, AND WE THINK BETWEEN THESE TWO, IT'LL, IT'LL MODERATE ITSELF OUT.
UH, FIRE AND ENGINEERING APPROVED.
UH, THIS PLAN STAFF, AGAIN, IS EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THIS PERMITTED U THIS USE IS PERMITTED IN THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND APPEARS TO MEET THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IMPOSED BY WALMART.
UM, THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, UH, ON THIS SITE THAT WAS IMPOSED BY WALMART WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED.
NOW IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE PRIVATE COVENANTS, UM, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE USES THAT IS PERMITTED TO, TO BE THERE.
IT MEETS THE PARKING, IT MEETS THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, IT MEETS THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, IT MEETS THE USE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH GETTING THEIR, I BELIEVE, THEIR FINAL PERMISSION BY WALMART.
UM, BUT THIS IS A USE THAT, THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THERE.
UH, THE RULE OF THUMB, FROM WHAT I CAN READ ON THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IS, UH, ANYTHING THAT WALMART SELLS CAN'T BE SOLD ANYWHERE ELSE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, SO IT REALLY DOES BOX IN, UH, THE TYPE OF RETAIL, UH, COMPONENTS THAT COULD GO OUT THERE.
UH, STAFF STRONGLY BELIEVES A SECOND FLYING ACE LOCATION WILL REDUCE THAT TRAFFIC.
CONDE CONGESTION, UH, THAT OCCASIONALLY PLAGUES, UH, THE MERRILY WAY LOCATION.
SO WE, UH, I, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT A GATE, UH, BE INSTALLED AT THE CEDAR HILL DRIVE ENTRANCE.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU COVERED MR. JEFFRIES.
AARON, THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR ONCE WE GET TO THE DETAILED MM-HMM.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DRIVE IN FROM CEDAR HILL DRIVE, UM, HAS ARROW DIRECTIONAL ARROWS GOING BOTH WAYS.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE STACKING SLIDE, SO THAT STACKING SLIDE, AND I HESITATED TO SHOW IT, IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
SO NORMALLY THAT SECOND LANE OF TRAFFIC WILL NOT BE THERE.
RIGHT? SO, BUT WHY WOULDN'T, I GUESS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE FEAR OF ALL OF THIS.
SO MY THOUGHT, I GUESS, OR CONCERN ONE ON THE ENTRANCE COMING IN, IF SOMEBODY'S COMING, I GUESS FROM THE RIGHT, FROM THE WALMART DIRECTION, WHICH WOULD BE HEADING FROM THE EAST, THERE'S NO LEFT TURN IN AT THAT ISLAND FOR THEM FROM THAT ENTRANCE.
THEY HAVE TO KIND OF GO UP AND JOG BACK.
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JUST, AGAIN, WATCHING PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND TOWNAND ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE IT SAYS TEMPORARY EXIT ONLY, THAT THAT IS JUST THE FLOW FOR EXIT ONLY.
SO WE HAVE MONEY PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THAT SIDE AND GOING OUT FROM THE OTHER.
JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU, I CAN, I CAN JUST TELL YOU WHAT'S, WHAT I BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN.
WITH, IF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN, IF THE GATE IS BLOCKING THAT ENTRANCE AND THE OTHER ONE LOOKS LIKE AN EXIT, BUT THEY CAN FIND A WAY TO GET A CAR IN, THEY'RE GONNA FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
SO, SO WHAT THE OPERATORS EXPLAINED TO US IS THAT THEY DO SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAINING WITH THEIR STAFF AND THEY RAMP UP FOR THOSE DAYS AND THEY, I MEAN, THEY KNOW WHAT THE WEATHER'S GONNA BE.
AND, AND SO THEY THEN REARRANGE ALL THE CONES AND THE DIRECTION BASED ON THE ANTICIPATED VOLUME THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE.
THEY'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT HERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AT MERRILY WAY.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH ONE IN ONE OUT.
SO WHERE THAT SIGN IS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THAT SAYS TEMPORARY EXIT ONLY UHHUH
WELL, UH, BUT ON THAT'S, THAT'S MY, WHERE WE GET INTO MY, MY PROBLEM THEN, IF THAT'S NATURALLY WHEN PEOPLE STACK THERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM, IF IT GETS TO BE ITS OWN LINE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO LINES COMING IN.
OR IF THEY STACK TOO FAR AND HAVE SHORT-STAFFED THAT DAY AS GREAT TRAINED AS THEY ARE OR WHATEVER.
IF THOSE CARS STACK, THEY'RE STACKING INTO THAT MEYER PARKING LOT, THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK INTO THAT TODAY.
WHAT TRAFFIC DIRECTION DO I HAVE ISSUE IF I'M GOING TO WALMART AND NOT GOING TO THE CAR WASH? YEAH.
I MEAN, CUZ IF, IF THEY, IF IF WE LEAVE IT TO THE DRIVERS TO, TO DO IT, WE, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.
NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF THEY BEND OUT INTO WALMART AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A LINE IN THAT PARKING LOT AND I HAVE A SEMI TRUCK DRIVER PULLING THROUGH THAT'S GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND TODAY THE TRAFFIC PATTERN IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS LAST WEEK, I, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
I HAVE A CONCERN I GUESS ON THAT.
AND THEN AT THE TOP WHERE THE GATE WOULD BE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT A SWINGING GATE WOULD, AND, AND THIS IS JUST AN IDEA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD THINK, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE THAT SWINGS IN AND OUT, WE'VE HAD ONE THAT RETRACTS IN AND OUT THAT'S, IT COULD ACTUALLY BE SHIELDED BY LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT WOULD, WOULD LO LIKELY BE IS ONE THAT JUST ROLLS OUT.
IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER RATHER THAN A GUILLOTINE TYPE OR A SWING THAT TAKES UP TOO MUCH ROOM.
BUT THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN THERE.
I MEAN THAT, THAT ENTRANCE EXIT FLOW OF IF IT WORKS WITH YOU GO IN THIS WAY, YOU COME OUT THIS WAY AND THAT AVOIDS THE POSSIBLE BACKUP INTO WALMART WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE.
I, I, I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO DIS LOOK INTO THAT.
UM, CUZ I DON'T WANNA SIT THERE AFTER THEY OPEN FOR A WEEK AND SAY, OH SHOOT, WHAT WERE WE DOING? AND I'M, I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS ON, ON OTHER DISCUSSION THERE.
IT'S JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE PROBLEM.
UM, I I ALSO THINK I'VE NOT TO, NOT TO DOWNPLAY MY FAITH IN PEOPLE, BUT IF WE HAVE A GATE SHUT, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE SOMEBODY JUST PARKING THERE AND WAITING UNTIL THE GATE OPENS.
SO EVENTUALLY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SIGNAGE OR MARKING THERE, WHETHER IT'S RED STRIPING OR ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY WITH SIGN, YOU KNOW, HEAVY FINE IMMEDIATELY ON THE SPOT IF THE POLICE SEE YOU BLOCKING IT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST AT SOME POINT THAT CAN ALL BE DONE LATER.
I JUST THINK WE, WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST CONSIDER IT.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE LITERALLY WHEN WE PUT THE YELLOW STRIPES UP OR THE YELLOW PLASTIC THINGS UP IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS, WATCH PEOPLE LITERALLY PUT THEIR TURN SIGNAL ON AND DRIVE STRAIGHT THROUGH EM.
THIS HAS AMAZING, THOROUGH PUT, IT'S A HUN IT'S ONE CAR EVERY 30 SECONDS.
UM, BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S CRAZY THAT PEOPLE WAIT A HALF AN HOUR FOR TO WASH A CAR, BUT YEAH.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH DOING IT AT MERRILY NOW.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IF, IF IT STACKS 31 AND THEY'RE STACKING OUT ALREADY, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER ALREADY.
AND I DO BELIEVE THIS STORE WILL DO BIGGER VOLUME.
I THINK, UH, THE, THEY'RE DOWNPLAYING OR UNDERESTIMATING THEMSELVES ON THIS ONE, I THINK SO THEY DID NOT EXPECT MERRILEE TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT WAS.
UM, AND I THINK THEY'VE ALSO BEEN IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS LONGER NOW TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE PEAKS IN THE VALLEYS.
AND I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE IN IN ALL THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT THE, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, WE CAN'T HAVE TRAFFIC PATTERN A ON NORMAL DAY AND TRAFFIC PATTERN B ON DOOMSDAY.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS THE DAY I GO TO WALMART OR BOB EVANS AFTER SUNDAY CHURCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CAST? YEAH,
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SO I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT MR. JEFF'S CONCERNS WERE.UH, I MEAN IF YOU'VE GOT TWO WAYS TO TECHNICALLY ENTER HERE, EITHER THROUGH THE WALMART PARK PARKING LOT OR OFF CEDAR HILL, THERE'S GONNA BE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN DRIVERS THERE AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE GATE IS, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MR. JEFFRIES THAT IF, IF THAT GATE'S NOT FAST ENOUGH OPENING OR CLOSING, SOMEONE'S GONNA PARK THERE, THAT'S GONNA BACK UP.
IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF CARS, IT PROBABLY TAKES 10 CARS TO BACK UP INTO THAT INTERSECTION, UH, OR LESS.
AND SO I CAN JUST SEE SOMEBODY WAITING, SITTING THERE, THAT GATE'S STARTING TO OPEN.
THEY'RE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR IT TO COMPLETE ITS CYCLE AND, AND IT GETS BACKED UP INTO THERE.
I THINK THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WE CAN EVER HAVE IS TO HAVE THAT INTERSECTION BACKED UP FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME EVER BECAUSE OF THIS INSTALLATION THAT CANNOT HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE TO ALMOST HAVE A FAIL SAFE PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE TO PREVENT THAT FROM EVER HAPPENING UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
THAT'S DIFFICULT TO PREDICT, BUT, RIGHT.
I MEAN, I GET THAT THERE'S ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF STACKING AND IT LOOKS GREAT, BUT THAT IS THE, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WE CAN HAVE.
I I THINK THAT THE, THE STACKING IS GREAT, BUT I DO THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE SEE THAT CLOSED GATE COME AROUND THE WALMART PARKING LOT.
UH, THEY'LL SEE THE TEMPORARY EXIT SIGNAGE IF IT COMES IN OR GOES OUT, THEY'RE STILL GONNA GO AROUND IT.
I, I JUST, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOT ANTICIPATED FULLY HERE, EVEN WITH THIS PLAN.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY, UM, EVEN ON A NON-PE DAY, IF THERE ARE CARS EXITING TO CEDAR HILL DRIVE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT ONTO CEDAR HILL DRIVE, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THE TRAFFIC BACKUP AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SOMEBODY'S GONNA PULL OUT, THEY'RE GONNA BLOCK THAT AREA AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S WHY THIS ENTRANCE AND EXIT POINT, IT PRODUCES A BIT OF HEARTBURN FOR ME BECAUSE, SO THIS ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS EXACTLY THE WAY THE BANK IS.
UM, AND, AND THERE IS, IT'S RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
AND WILL THERE BE SIGNS TO THAT EFFECT? I MEAN, CUZ WE'RE GONNA NEED NOT ONE OR TWO SIGNS WE'RE GONNA NEED LIKE YEAH, THIS, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY YEAH, THE SAME.
THAT ENTRANCE DOESN'T CHANGE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT TO ALLOW THE, UH, THE ENGINES TO SWING AROUND.
SO IF WE'RE REALLY CLEAR WITH DRIVERS LIKE THAT'S RIGHT.
TURN ONLY IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN PUT UP TO THAT EFFECT, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME OF THOSE, UM, CONES THAT ARE LIKE IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS, THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE COULD PUT IN FRONT OF THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING OUT THE ENTRANCE SPOT THERE.
BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE THERE BECAUSE I CAN JUST SEE THAT PRODUCING ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS. SO.
I THINK THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE APPLICANT.
AARON, WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID ACTUALLY BRINGS PART OF MY ISSUE AGAIN ON WHY WE NEED TO EXIT ONLY OUT THE BACK.
YOU SAID RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO IF I'M NOT COMING FROM BRANT PIKE, IF I'M COMING FROM ST.
BOB EVANS, I HAVE TO GO OUT ON BRANT PIKE TO COME AROUND TO TURN RIGHT IN.
I HAVE NO LEFT TURN IN OPTION FROM CEDAR HILL DRIVE FROM WALMART, FROM THE TAX PLACE, FROM THE CHINESE PLACE OR THE PIZZA PLACE OR ANY OF THAT OVER THERE.
I HAVE TO GO OUT ONTO BRANT PIKE TO COME BACK AROUND AND IN, INSTEAD OF HAVING A LEFT TURN IN OPTION IN THE HANDFUL OF DAYS LIKE THIS, YES.
NO, BUT EVERY OTHER DAY IS LIKE THIS AND YOU CAN SWING IN FROM, FROM BOB EVANS AND, AND THIS AREA.
JUST MAKING SURE THE APPLICANT KNOWS THAT ON THOSE DAYS WE'RE TAKING AWAY THAT ENTRANCE.
I JUST, TO ME IT SEEMS, WE'LL SEE, I JUST, AGAIN, IF I GO THERE ON WEDNESDAY AND I GO IN, I CAN PULL RIGHT IN THROUGH BOB EVANS AND I GO IN ON SATURDAY AND I HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BACK, BUT HEY, WHAT THE HECK, I'M ALREADY RIGHT HERE AT THE BOB EVANS ENTRANCE.
I'LL JUST WAIT AND, BUT MY WAY IN AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIT
WELL, I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO PLAN FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR OF DRIVER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, MISS BARGO, I KIND OF WANNA SWITCH GEARS HERE.
AND I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, UM, UH, AIRPLANE.
IT DOESN'T INDICATE IF THAT IS ON THE BRAT PIKE SIDE OR ON THE WALMART SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE BRT PIKE.
THAT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY
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APPEALING TO HAVE THAT ON THE BRAT PIKE SIDE.UM, DID, IS THERE ONE OF THESE AT THE OTHER CAR WASH? THE AIRPLANE PICTURE OF THE AIRPLANE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
AND THIS ALMOST LOOKS LIKE, NOT GRAFFITI, BUT MAYBE A POSTER THAT, AND IT, IT, IT JUST DOES NOT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME AS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR COMMUNITY, OFF OF THE INTERSTATE.
I LIKE THE BRICK, I LIKE BUILDING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I LIKE THE SIGN, LIKE THE BRICK, UH, THAT THAT'S THERE.
BUT, UH, THIS JUST KIND OF, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT SIDE? WHAT'S THAT THERE? I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE, IT IS, YEAH.
WE CAN'T REGULATE PRETTY WELL.
WE TALK WITH THE, UH, THE OWNER ABOUT THAT.
AND AND IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE A, IS IT GONNA BE A POSTER OR IS IT A PAINTING OR EXACTLY.
WHAT IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MATERIAL.
I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S JUST AN APPLIED MURAL THAT IS WITH HANGAR DOORS OPEN ON THE SIDE.
HANGAR DOORS ARE OPEN AND THERE'S THE AIRCRAFT INSIDE.
SO IT'S MAKING THE WHOLE BUILDING LOOK LIKE THE INSIDE OF A HANGAR FROM THE OUTSIDE.
I MEAN IT'S THE APPEAL TO FLYING A AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE NAME OF THEIR BUSINESS, BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT ON THE OTHER ONE AND, UH, IF, WELL I, SO I ALSO TOLD THEM TO BRING THEIR, A GAME ON THE DESIGN, UM, SINCE THIS WAS AN ENTRANCE THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST SEE A NORMAL, YOU KNOW, STANDARD CAR WASH THAT WE WANTED THE BRICK EXTERIOR AND SOMETHING THAT WAS, WAS INTERESTING.
UM, I WILL HAVE TO SEE IF IT IS ON ANY OF THE OTHERS THAT I DRIVE BY EVERY NOW AND THEN.
I HAVEN'T NOTICED, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKING EITHER OPINION WISE, I, I LIKE IT.
UM, IT'S, I'D RATHER SEE THAT THAN A BLANK WALL, YOU KNOW, A FULL WALL.
AND PLUS YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS COMING IN FROM BR IT, YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN, YOU'VE GOT THE VACUUMS IN FRONT OF IT, SO YOU KNOW, WHETHER FROM AN ELEVATION STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, IT'S EITHER THIS OR THE, THE ONE ABOVE.
I MEAN, ROTATE THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
YEAH, I I THINK IT'S INTERESTING.
UM, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IS STARING DOWN THE BARREL OF THE TUNNEL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I WOULD JUST, YOU'RE RIGHT AHEAD MR. JEFFRIES.
I WOULD JUST ADD, I MEAN IF WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE VOTING EVENTUALLY AT THE NEXT STAGE, RIGHT? THIS IS BASIC.
UH, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE ASSUMED THAT I'M GONNA CHANGE MY MIND ON THE TRAFFIC.
I DRIVE THESE ROADS AND SEE IT.
UM, SO I'LL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION OR AT LEAST LOOK INTO THAT.
I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS A USER OF ANYTHING ELSE IN THE AREA, THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE AND IF I'M GOING TO THE BUSINESS, I SHOULD KNOW EVERY DAY THAT THIS IS WHERE I GO IN.
MAYBE TODAY I CAN'T GO IN THERE, BUT I CAN'T GO IN THE BACK CUZ IT'S CLOSED TODAY.
TO ME AS A USER THAT WOULD BE AGGRAVATING ALSO.
SO THAT GIVES ME ANXIETY TO LOOK AT THAT PICTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
OKAY, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HELLO? UH, MY NAME IS MIKE ANDERSON.
WE ARE THE, UH, SITE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE EXPRESS WASH CONCEPT GUYS COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
THEY GOT CALLED AWAY AT THE LAST MINUTE.
UM, BUT WE HEAR YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, ONE THING I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT REAL QUICK IS THE SIGNAGE ON THE FRONT OF BUILDING BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TRAFFIC DISCUSSION THAT IS AN, IS A MURAL ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S A PART OF THEIR CONCEPT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONE OF YOU HAD MENTIONED LIKE THE INTERIOR OF A, OF A AIRPLANE HANGAR.
THE HANGAR DOORS ACTUALLY SHUT AT NIGHT WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED.
SO WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED, YOU DON'T SEE THE MURAL IN THE MORNING, THEY OPEN 'EM UP.
UM, I WOULD SAY I PERSONALLY THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE MERRILY WAY LOCATION.
UM, IF IT'S NOT, MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT WAS AN OLDER LOCATION.
THE OTHER STORES THAT WE HAVE DONE AROUND TOWN ALL HAVE THAT MURAL ON 'EM.
SO FEEL FREE TO DRIVE AROUND, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, BUT OF COURSE, I MEAN I THINK THEY'RE WILLING
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TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THOSE KIND OF CONCEPTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.UM, WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC, UM, THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THE, THE STAFF HAD WITH REGARD TO THE GATE, WERE ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AS FAR AS STACKING OUT ONTO CEDAR HILL DRIVE.
UM, ANY KIND OF CONCERNS WITH BLOCKING THAT INTERSECTION, THEY SHARE THOSE SAME CONCERNS CUZ THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE KIND OF NEGATIVE CONCEPT THAT IS DEVELOPING AROUND THE MERRILY WAY SITE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT STACKING EXHIBIT IS A LITTLE BIT OVERWHELMING, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO SHOW.
SO THAT'S, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF.
UM, SO WE'RE FINE WITH THE GATE.
I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD AS FAR AS PERMANENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS THROUGH THE SITE AND UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS, THIS SITE WORK AS BEST WE CAN, UM, TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE OVER ON MERRILY WAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT APPLICANT? MS. BARGO? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
AND THAT IS THAT I THINK THE REASON THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO GO OVER THERE IS TO HELP OUT MERRILY WAY.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE WANNA DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ANOTHER SITUATION SO THAT NOW WE HAVE TWO.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF AND, AND UH RIGHT.
MAKE THIS WORK IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
YEAH, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY CHOSE THIS SITE WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ADDITIONAL STACKING AT THIS SITE OVER WHAT IS AVAILABLE AT MERRILEE WAY.
UM, LIKE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THEY NEVER THOUGHT MERRILEE WAY WOULD TAKE OFF THE WAY IT DID.
AND NOW IF WE'RE GONNA PUT IN A SECOND LOCATION, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE MORE CAPACITY AT THE SECOND LOCATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE SITE LENDED ITSELF TO, TO THEM.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN COME TO A RESOLUTION ON THE TRAFFIC AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
MR. CASSIDY, SO WITH THE CURRENT STACKING PLAN, IF YOU'RE FULL BOTH LANES 51 VEHICLES OR WHATEVER IT WAS, YOU'LL REFUSE NEW VEHICLES INTO THE LANE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT KIND THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER KIND OF SIGNAGE, UM, MAKES THAT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I KNOW IN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, UH, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING PEOPLE OUT THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND EVERYTHING THE CITY FELT LIKE CITY STAFF FELT LIKE THAT PROBABLY WASN'T GONNA BE ADEQUATE ENOUGH.
THAT'S WHY THEY SUGGESTED THE GATE WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THE GATE.
IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE PLACED ON THE GATES TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH AS WELL.
YEAH, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WITH THE GATE IS THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE INSUFFICIENT ROOM FOR A CAR TO PULL UP INTO THE APRON OF THE DRIVE, RIGHT? SURE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE GIVEN THE SPACING HERE.
MAYBE THERE'S A, SOME SORT OF A SUBSTITUTE CONE THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE GATE TO PREVENT THAT.
AND AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
YEAH, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE GATE GETS LOCATED IN THAT DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, DOES THAT GET LOCATED ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOUR CONCERN IS THERE CUZ THERE IS A SPACE FOR SOMEONE TO PARK IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OUTSIDE OF THE GATE.
SO MAYBE IT ENDS UP BEING A GATE AND CONES, YOU KNOW, TO CLOSE THAT OFF AND MAKE IT MAKE IT CLEAR WE'RE FULL AT THIS TIME.
SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE FELT THAT THE GATE WAS MAYBE MORE INTIMIDATING THAN A, UM, TEENAGER WITH CONES,
UM, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A, A BETTER HARD VISUAL BARRIER THAN, THAN JUST THAT WE FULLY EXPECTED.
IT'S, THERE'S STILL STAFF OUT THERE DIRECTING PEOPLE WHERE TO GO, BUT IT WAS A HARDER VISUAL CUE THAN THEN NINE CODES.
I I THINK IF, IF I, IF I HAD MY WAY, I WOULD DO THOSE PILLARS THAT SINK DOWN AND THAT'S PROBABLY TOO MUCH TO ASK, BUT HONESTLY YOU COULD POSITION THOSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROADWAY AND YOU COULD PREVENT A LOT OF THINGS.
SO THOSE, THOSE BULLARD THAT GO UP AND DOWN ARE
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PRETTY, PRETTY COOL.UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN EXPRESS WASH WAS HERE LAST TIME, THEY TALKED ABOUT CANNIBALIZING LIKE 25% OF THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS IN MERRILEE WAY.
AND UM, I AGREE WITH MR. JEFFRIES.
I THINK THE DEMAND IS UNDERESTIMATED HERE.
I KNOW THIS IS WORST CASE SCENARIO.
I ACTUALLY DO THINK THIS IS THE BEST STACKING PLAN THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH THE SITE.
UM, BUT I DO THINK WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO THIS MORE TIMES THAN OR REALIZED OR OR CONTEMPLATED RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR THE HUGE FOCUS ON NOT BLOCKING THE INTERSECTION, NOT IMPACTING CEDAR HILL.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S A SITUATION WE JUST CAN'T GET INTO AT ALL.
MR. JEFFRIES, JUST ONE MORE COMMENT ON THE, ON THE GATE LOCATION THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. CASSIE CON ALLUDED TO.
JUST LOOKING AT IT AS WE'RE COMING IN AND JUST VEERING TO THE RIGHT, INSTEAD OF MAKING A HARD TURN TO THE RIGHT, I WOULD JUST ASSUME WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE THAT GATE PRETTY PROMINENT OUT TOWARDS THE FRONT INSTEAD OF TO THE BACK.
SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T JUST COME FLYING IN AND RAM RIGHT INTO IT ON THEIR PHONE OR ANYTHING.
IT'S YEAH, I MEAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SEE IT E CLEARLY BEFORE THEY TURN INTO THE SITE.
IN, IN MY MIND THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT I'M GONNA HAVE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AS FAR AS WHERE WE GET THAT LOCATED.
AND HOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF GATE TYPE OF SIGNAGE WHERE IT'S GONNA SIT.
I KNOW THAT'S MORE THE DETAILED SIDE.
I JUST WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE PATH WE'RE GONNA GO BUT JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? CAN YOU SEE IT IN MY EYES? CAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE MY FACE IF YOU WANT, CAN YOU, ANYBODY AT ME? YES.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN MY EYES CAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO SAY WITH THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
A L E T A G E O R G E BRANT STONE HURST IS A HEADACHE GETTING OUT TO GO ACROSS THE STREET, POTENTIALLY GETTING HIT FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET.
THAT'S GONNA BE MORE CONGESTION.
YOU GUYS ARE CALLING IT SILVER GROVE WAY THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, THAT, THAT IS HARD ALREADY.
IS THERE MORE LIGHTING, TURN LANES? THERE'S NOT A TURN LANE ON STONE HURST WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN, GOING OUT.
I MEAN, GOING FROM WALMART, THEY HAVE THE TURN AND THEY HAVE THE TURN GOING OUT, COMING IN TO GO DOWN STORM HURST.
THERE'S NO LIGHT THAT SAYS DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION WHERE THE MERIDIUM IS THERE.
SO GETTING IN AND PEOPLE TURNING AROUND IN THAT MERIDIUM, IT'S JUST ALL THEY LINE UP, WELL YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE.
SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE HOUSE AND EVERYBODY'S LINED UP AND EVERYBODY ACTS LIKE THEY DON'T KNOW THERE'S A TURN IN THERE OR HOUSES SITTING THERE.
THAT'S A, I GUESS I MISSED THE WINDOW OF PRE I'M KIND OF STANDING ALONE HERE.
WHERE'S EVERYBODY
PEOPLE THAT HAD AN OPINION COME NOW.
SO CAN LET'S CHAT AFTER CUZ I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO SHE'S LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF IT, INTO THE HOUSING AS WELL.
RIGHT? IT'S A, WHICH I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN TALK AFTER TO I, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CONCERN IS.
IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ROOM RIGHT THERE, RIGHT TO LINE IT UP AND THERE IS THAT TURN LANE, THREE OR FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT IN THAT AREA.
WE CAN CUT THAT, RE CURB IT AND FREE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
ANY OTHER, UH, ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? CLOSE, APPROPRIATE PORTION.
EVERYBODY GOOD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? NOTHING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT FLYING ACE CAR WASH FOR APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 77 30 BRANT PIKE, MJC 2307 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
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BY MR. JEFFRIES.SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UH, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, SO THIS WILL ALSO GO TO THE, UH, WORK SESSION ON THE 20TH OF APRIL.
UH, AND BE IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL ON THE 24TH.
NEXT ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDA IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS RESIDENTIAL EXTERIOR MATERIALS DISCUSSION.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PRESENTATION.
I JUST HAVE, UM, A DRAFT OF, UM, CHANGES TO THE CODE THAT I WANT YOU TO TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, SO I WAS, UH, IN, I WAS ASKED TO CLARIFY IN OUR, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS THAT HARDY PLANK LAP SIDING, UH, DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THE, UM, UM, STONE OR BRICK, UM, SET ASIDE OR REQUIREMENT, WHATEVER WE PUT IT ON.
UH, BECAUSE WHILE IT IS A MASONRY PRODUCT, IT DOESN'T GIVE THE MASONRY LOOK, IT'S JUST A FLAT LAP SIDING.
AS I STARTED TO DO THAT, WHICH IS AN EASY FIX, I ALSO STARTED LOOKING AT THE, THE ACTUAL MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO OUR CODE REQUIRES, UM, IF YOU JUST BUY A HOUSE, UH, IF YOU BUY JUST A LOT SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION, UH, AND YOU BUILD A SINGLE STORY HOUSE, YOU'RE REQUIRED UNDER OUR CODE TO BUILD A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK.
UM, AND IF YOU BUY JUST A STANDARD LOT SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT IN A PLANNED COMMERCIAL AREA, UM, IF YOU BUILD A, UH, TWO-STORY HOUSE OR MORE THAN A TWO-STORY, THE FIRST FLOOR HAS TO BE A BRICK.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE APPROVED OVER THE YEARS AS FAR AS PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 40% BRICK ON THE FRONT FACADE.
SO MY QUESTION I THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT IS WE'RE EFFECTIVELY PENALIZING PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN PLANNED RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS OR AREN'T BUYING, UM, PRODUCTION HOMES FROM THE FISHER OF THE ISLANDS, THE EX YOU KNOW, THE NON CUSTOM HOME.
IS THERE AN APPETITE TO RETHINK HOW WE APPROACH, UH, BRICK AND STONE FACADES FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR ACROSS THE, THE COMMUNITY? UM, AND, AND SO DO WE WANT TO SET A STANDARD THAT IS LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING OR, OR MATCHES WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, I SHOULD SAY IN THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS? AND SO THAT RANGE IS ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 40%, UH, ON THE FRONT FACADE.
DURING THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISCUSSIONS LIKE WE DID TODAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHAT THAT APPROPRIATE AMOUNT IS FOR EACH, UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL, UM, PROJECT.
BUT WE PENALIZE THE ONE-OFF INDIVIDUAL WHO BUYS A LOT ON CHAMBERSBURG TAYLORSVILLE ANYWHERE THAT IS NOT A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, UH, AREA.
IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A CUSTOM HOME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY IN THE BEST INTEREST.
AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
UH, AND I CAN COME BACK WITH, UM, SOME, SOME IDEAS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS A FACADE, A FACADE PERCENTAGE, WHAT BRICK AND STONE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO START TO GIVE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK THE APPROPRIATE NON-PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
NOW THEY COULD ALWAYS GO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU COULD ALWAYS GO FOR A VARIANCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HARDSHIP IS TO NOT BUILD BRICK OTHER THAN I DON'T WANT TO BUILD BRICK AND I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND THAT USUALLY DOESN'T MEET THE HARDSHIP TEST FOR BZA.
UH, SO I THINK WE MAY WANT TO RETHINK OUR MATERIAL CLADDING, UM, REQUIREMENTS MOVING FORWARD.
BUT YES SIR, IT, I I, WE'VE HAD A FEW ON SHO THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT AREN'T FUL BRICK, UM, LIKE THE HABITAT HOMES AND THERE'S ONE ACROSS FROM THERE.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD WITH GETTING MORE MODERN MATERIALS, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THIS MM-HMM.
RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, UM, LIKE THE CONCRETE BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THE CEMENT BOARD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THE RENDERINGS DON'T DO IT JUSTICE VERSUS SOME OF THOSE, WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGES, I CAN TELL YOU I'M NOT THE PERSON FOR IT, BUT WHO I WOULD SAY, IF I WERE SAYING, HEY, WHO SHOULD WE TALK TO? I WOULD GO TALK TO CUSTOM BUILDERS THAT KNOW THAT STUFF BETTER THAN US BASED ON, HEY, WHAT ARE YOUR DESIGNS? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS SEEING?
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UH, IN CUSTOM BUILDERS BEING IN THE ONES THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AROUND HERE.I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD, UM, WOULD WE HAVE UP, I THINK UP NORTH BUILD A HOUSE, ONE HOUSE DOWN HERE, BUT THEN THERE'S, UH, OVER IN KALAM FARM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL CUSTOM DESIGN, RIGHT? SO THOSE GUYS ARE PROBABLY BUILDING OUTSIDE OF JUST HERE.
RIGHT? AND HOW RESTRICTIVE ARE WE COMPARED TO WHAT WOULD BE OUT THERE? SO WHEN IT COMES TO HOW MUCH MATERIAL SHOULD WE PUT ON, I AGREE WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SAY HERE'S THE NUMBER I WOULD DEFER TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE BUILDING THEM TO GIVE US SOME GUIDANCE.
PERSONALLY, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE ADDED IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE SO WE RECENTLY, SO THAT WE'VE HAD A DEVELOPER APPROACH US ABOUT INSTEAD OF USING HARDY PLANK A UM, IT'S A INSULATED FIBERGLASS.
UM, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY VINYL, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A INSULATED FIBERGLASS, UH, PRODUCT THAT HAS BETTER INSULATING UM, PROPERTIES THAN HARDY PLANK DOES.
THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO, TO MOVE IN THAT.
AND, UM, IT, IT LOOKS FROM A DISTANCE LIKE WOOD, UM, AND IS IS BETTER AND IT'S GOT THE RIGHT PROPORTIONS AS FAR AS LIKE A A FOUR AND A HALF INCH REVEAL OR GAP FOR EACH LAP, LIKE A TRADITIONAL WOOD LAP SIDING DOES.
AND, UM, WHICH YOU DON'T GET FROM YOUR TRADITIONAL VINYL, IT'S USUALLY LIKE A THREE AND A HALF OR THREE INCH, UH, UH, LAP, WHICH DOESN'T LOOK AS TRADITIONAL.
SO I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK AT MORE MODERN MATERIALS THAT HAVE BETTER INSULATING PROPERTIES THAT WEAR BETTER, THAT DON'T SAG OR BOW IN THE WIND, UH, AND NOT IMMEDIATELY DEFAULT TO HARDY PLANK LAP SIDING.
UH, IT STILL SHOWS A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I WANT YOU TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT IN IN WHAT YOUR MIND IS THE APPROPRIATE RE RATIO.
AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE CHANGES, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I THINK I SHOULD CHANGE TO, TO WHAT THE, THE REST OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ARE OKAY.
ARE USING, I'LL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH.
I'LL TALK TO, I I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH HERE, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN, UH, WITH YOU.
UM, BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO SOME CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS AS WELL AND GET THEIR, UH, GET THEIR THOUGHTS.
AARON, THE, THE DOCUMENTS HERE, IS THIS THE RE THIS IS YOUR PROPOSED REVISIONS AND THIS IS A CLEAN COPY OR CORRECT.
YEAH, THE RED LINE SHOWS WHAT THE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS AND THEN THERE'S THE CLEAN COPY, WHICH IS WHAT YEAH, NO, I DON'T, WE'RE, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISIONS.
I JUST WANT YOU TO START THINKING ABOUT IT AS YOU DRIVE AROUND.
NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES, UH, WITHOUT ANY DENIALS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR MARCH 14TH, 2023 WILL BE APPROVED.
SO THERE ARE MORE OF A COMMENT, I GUESS.
SO ON THE SHEETS DEVELOPMENT, THE RZ BDP 2304 AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND DISCUSS, BUT I DID GO BACK OUT AND LOOK MORE AT THAT LEFT TURN STACKING AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SKINNY AT THAT MEDIAN.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S THAT ACTUAL LANE WIDTH.
AND, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF THE STACKING AND THE DESIGN OF HOW TO BUILD THAT IN.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THOSE CONCERNS BEFORE IT COMES BACK AROUND IN CASE WE DID NEED TO DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FOR DISCUSSION.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET IT ON THE RADAR.
SO I'M NOT SURE PROCEDURALLY WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I MEAN, GOING OUT THERE AND LOOKING AT THE SITE, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, I, I THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME TROUBLE AT EXECUTIVES LIGHT AND THEN ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT THAT MEDIAN.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TURNING INTO A LANE, IT'S NOT A LANE WIDE.
SO, UM, THIS CAME UP AT COUNCIL LAST NIGHT.
UM, THE, THE APPLICANT WHO WAS HERE FOR, UH, RHM, UH, WHAT I'VE ASKED THEM TO DO IN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY IS TAKEN INTO, CONSIDER TAKEN CONSIDERATION IN THE CALCULATIONS AND SHOW THE CALCULATIONS OF, UH, METROPOLITAN, UH, THEIR PRODUCT AS WELL AS SHEETS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE GRANT PIKE EXECUTIVE INTERCHANGE AND THEN ALSO HOW THAT'S GONNA RELATE TO THE SHEETS LEFT TURN IN.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BETTER, A BETTER, A HARDER LOOK CUZ IT WAS RAISED A, A CONCERN AT THE MEYER ENTRANCE ALL THE WAY UP TO EXECUTIVES.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THERE'S ROOM WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR US TO, TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS, UM, OR ADJUSTMENTS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA YET TO, FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.
UM, SO, SO THEN PROCEDURALLY, SINCE WE VOTED TO APPROVE IT AT THE LAST MEETING, WITH THAT LEFT TURN IN, IF IT IS A
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POSSIBLE CONCERN, DO WE PROCEDURALLY NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER TO OPEN DISCUSSION TONIGHT OR JUST DOCUMENT THE CONCERN AND HAVE DEEPER DISCUSSION WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED PHASE? SO THE DETAIL, SO THE, THE, THE CURB CUT ISN'T GONNA CHANGE.UM, WHAT WILL CHANGE IS HOW WE ADDRESS THE MEDIAN, UH, AND, AND PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WELL, MY CONCERN IS THE STACKING FROM EXECUTIVE INTO WHERE THAT CURB CUT IS.
I THINK WE CURRENTLY ALREADY STACK THAT DEEP ON PEAK TIMES AND, AND SO WITHOUT THE CONCERTS.
AND, UH, WHAT I DON'T KNOW YET IS, AND, AND WHAT I'VE ASKED, LIKE I SAID ANDREW TO DO IS RUN THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT WE HAVE A FULL PICTURE AND WHAT WE'RE NOT TAKING 'EM INCREMENTALLY LIKE WE HAVE BEEN.
WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.
WELL WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNTIL NOW,
SO NOW WE'VE GOT THREE BIG DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAN FEED INTO THE MODEL AND WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CONCERN WAS DOCUMENTED BEFORE IT COMES BACK AROUND AS A NEW SURPRISE BECAUSE, AND, AND WE HAD TO BRING IT UP AT THIS MEETING IF THERE WERE ANY, SO HE SENT ME THE INITIAL CALCULATIONS, WHICH DIDN'T SHOW ANYTHING.
I MEAN, OTHER THAN HERE ARE THE TOTAL VOLUME AT THE PEAK HOUR AND YOU CAN ADD 'EM UP AND THIS IS WHAT THE IN AND OUT AND THIS IS THE, THE LEFT, THE NORTH, NORTH SOUTH OR RIGHT LEFT SPLIT.
WHAT IT DOESN'T HE DIDN'T HAVE YET WAS WHERE THAT FALLS ON THE, THE NEED CURVE AS FAR AS ONE LEFT HAND TURN TWO LEFT HAND TURNS THE, THE STACKING DISTANCE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WAITING ON AND I DON'T HAVE THAT YET.
I DIDN'T MEAN, I WASN'T SURE WHEN TO BRING THAT UP AS FAR AS WE GOT TO THAT POINT IN THE MINUTES, SO NO, THAT'S FINE.
NO, IT, IT, IT CAME UP YESTERDAY.
I, I HAD FIGURED IT WOULD, I'VE ALREADY, I HAD ASKED FOR THAT LAST WEEK WHEN UH, HE AND I WERE CHATTING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS BROUGHT UP ON TIME.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, CONCERNS OR ON THE, THE MINUTES FOR MARCH 14TH, 2023 IN HEARING NONE? THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. CRELL.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE MAY HAVE A SMALL, UM, PLAT FOR THE MAY 19TH, UH, MEETING.
UM, IT IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE A STUBB STREET, UH, WHICH NOW IS GOING TO BE A CUL-DE-SAC.
SO WE NEED TO DEDICATE A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE HORIZON THAT IS, UH, IMMINENTLY MOVING FORWARD.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? HURRY UP, GET OUTSIDE.