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[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL MEETING.TODAY'S DATE IS APRIL 10TH, 2023, AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT 6 0 1.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER, AND
[2. Invocation - Pastor Jon Strifler Of The First Christian Church At 6114 Fishburg Road, Huber Heights, Ohio]
NEXT WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION FROM PASTOR JOHN STRIFFLER OF THE FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH AT 61 14 FISHBURG ROAD, HUBER HEIGHTS.GOOD TO BE WITH YOU ALL AGAIN.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY JUST TO OFFER, UH, UH, SOME BRIEF WORDSS OF ENCOURAGEMENT FOR YOU AS WE GET, UH, GET GOING THIS EVENING.
SO IT'S AN EXCITING SEASON TO BE TOGETHER, AN EXCITING SEASON OF LIFE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TREES OUTSIDE THIS VERY BUILDING THAT ARE STARTING TO, TO BUD LIKE WE SEE ALL AROUND OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S A FRESHNESS AND A NEW SENSE OF, UH, OF THE SPRING BRINGS EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? IN FACT, YESTERDAY, UH, MYSELF AND, AND, AND REALLY BILLIONS OF OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD GATHERED TO CELEBRATE, UH, EASTER.
UH, THIS IDEA, THIS, THIS, THIS TIME THAT WE, UH, WE PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE STORY, THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS, AND WHY THAT IS SO CENTRAL, UH, TO OUR FAITH.
AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE, UH, TIME TO UNPACK THAT, THAT'S WAY BEYOND OUR SCOPE HERE.
BUT I THINK THERE IS AN INTERESTING APPLICATION FOR OUR TIME.
YOU SEE THE THING THAT THAT'S, UH, SO UNIQUE ABOUT THAT STORY, THE THING THAT ALWAYS GETS ME EVEN AFTER, UH, SEVERAL YEARS OF SPEAKING ABOUT THAT THIS IS THIS IDEA OF HOW ORDINARY THAT DAY WAS, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE, THE STORY OF THE RESURRECTION IS NOT ONE THAT IS, UM, FRAUGHT WITH FIREWORKS OR POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE.
IF ANYTHING, THAT DAY BEGAN, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, THE SUN ROSE PEOPLE WOKE, NONE THE WISER.
THIS JUST SEEMED LIKE THAT LIFE AND THE WORLD WAS CONTINUING TO SPIN, UH, LIKE IT HAD ALWAYS HAD.
BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAD EYES TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, EYES TO SEE AND SEIZE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT DAY, EVERYTHING WAS DIFFERENT.
AND SO I OFFER THAT TO, AS AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO US AS WE COME INTO THIS SPACE.
HOW MANY, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE WE COME TO THAT ARE JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CAUGHT UP IN THE, THIS, THE, THE EVERYDAYNESS OF THE ORDINARINESS OF OUR, UH, LIFE TOGETHER, OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, TOGETHER.
YET WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO SEIZE THE POTENTIAL, TO SEE, UH, THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE CONNECTING AND GROWING, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND TO, TO, TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
TO TAKE A STEP, UH, AND TO HELP PEOPLE FLOURISH, UH, IN THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO, WITH THAT, I'D LOVE TO PRAY FOR US AS WE GET GOING.
UH, AND, UH, YEAH, MY, MY CONTRIBUTION FOR THE EVENING.
UH, FATHER GOD, WE JUST, WE THANK YOU FOR TODAY.
GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO BE TOGETHER.
I, GOD, I PRAY FOR THAT YOU WOULD GRANT US WISDOM.
YOU WOULD GRANT US, UM, THE, THE POTENTIAL, UH, TO SEE THE WAY THAT YOU ARE WORKING, UH, IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US FOR THE WAY, UH, THE, FOR US.
WOULD YOU GIVE US EYES TO SEE THE DIVINE POTENTIAL THAT YOU ARE AWAKENING, UM, IN EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU BRING BEFORE US? GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR, UH, SEASONS LIKE THIS OF NEW LIFE TO REMIND US, UM, THAT, THAT EVERY DAY IS A NEW CHANCE, UH, FOR US TO TAKE A STEP AND TO CARE FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND US.
UH, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TODAY.
WE PRAY ALL THIS TO THE NAME OF YOUR SON AND OUR SAVIOR.
[3. Pledge Of Allegiance]
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.[4. Roll Call]
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? MR. SHAW? HERE.[5. Approval Of Minutes]
NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.THERE'S ONE SET OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES UNDER ITEM FIVE A, WHICH IS FROM MARCH 27TH, 2023.
UH, IF THERE'S NO CORRECTIONS, THOSE MEN STAND IS APPROVED.
NEXT IS OUR NUMBER SIX SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
ANY OF THIS EVENING? UM, THERE ARE NONE THIS EVENING, MAYOR.
[7. Citizens Comments]
UP IS THAT NUMBER SEVEN, CITIZENS COMMENTS.OKAY, WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, TERRY LUCER, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
I AM, UH, CITIZEN OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
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I AM HERE TO ASK YOU AGAIN TO, UH, CONSIDER A TIMEOUT ON NEW DEVELOPMENT.WE STILL HAVE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES.
WE STILL HAVE POLICE AND FIRE STAFFING AT PRE 2020 CENSUS LEVELS.
WE, UM, STILL HAVE WATER DISTRIBUTION PROBLEMS. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT.
THAT'S TO BE COMMENDED, BUT WE ARE NOT AT, UH, ON TOP OF IT.
AND, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG WAY TO GO.
SO, UM, OUR WASTE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY IS STILL ON AN E P A WATCH LIST AND WORKING AT, I BELIEVE THEY SAID 97 TO 98% CAPACITY.
WE ARE ALREADY ON THE HOOK FOR A THOUSAND NEW HOUSEHOLDS.
THAT'S WHAT, 2000 NEW COMMODES, UH, CONSERVATIVELY.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MORE THAT SYSTEM CAN HANDLE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A CATASTROPHIC EVENT THAT FORCES YOU TO STOP, UM, STOP DEVELOPMENT AND WORK ON THAT.
I'M, SO I'M ASKING YOU TO DO THIS PROACTIVELY.
UM, IF YOU COULD PRIORITIZE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACT, I'M AN EXISTENT CITIZEN.
THERE ARE PEOPLE, THE DEVELOPMENT, THESE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN EXIST.
YOU CAN'T COUNT THEM ON A CENSUS, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THESE ARE NON-EXISTENT PEOPLE.
THEY'RE, THEY CANNOT BE COUNTED.
MAKE US THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE A PRIORITY, NOT FOCUS ON PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN EXIST.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, GREEN LIGHTING, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IS IRRESPONSIBLE TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE HERE IN THIS CITY.
AND SO I'M ASKING YOU TO PUT A TIMEOUT, NOT TO STOP, NOT TO SAY THAT'S IT.
PUT A TIMEOUT ON DEVELOPMENT UNTIL WE CAN GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD ON DEALING WITH BASIC NEEDS.
SOME OF YOU CLAIM TO BE REPUBLICANS, THAT'S SMALL GOVERNMENT.
NEXT UP WE HAVE BRUCE GORBY, IF YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
IS THE CAMERAS NOT WORKING? LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THEY DIDN'T WORK.
I'M HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT OUR ZONING OR OUR INSPECTOR DON.
HE HAS A HELL OF A HARD JOB TO DO.
AND HE SAYS HE'S DOWN ON MANPOWER.
AND I CAME UP BECAUSE I, TRASH OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD USED TO BE REAL NICE.
NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE HAD BEEN BURNT DOWN.
THEY TRASH WOULD BE OUT IN FRONT FOR OVER A MONTH BEFORE HE TOOK CARE OF IT.
WE HAVE LADALE SCHOOL UP THERE.
WHY IS IT EMPTY NOW? BECAUSE CHURCH BOUGHT IT.
THEY WALKED AWAY AND IT'S A TOTAL MESS.
IT GOT, FINALLY GOT BOARDED UP SECURED THIS WEEK.
AND THAT'S, UH, WHY'D THAT HAPPEN? WELL, YOU KNOW, I GOT REASONS TO SAY WHY IT HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW, CITY, CITY MANAGER WE HAD HERE BEFORE AND THE ATTORNEY HERE, WELL, THEY'RE NO LONGER THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT THEM OUT FOR WHAT REASONS? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE CITIZEN IS THE NEEDS TO, TO KNOW IT, YOU KNOW? BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GOT THE BIG DEVELOPMENT GOING UP ON MARION, ME SHOPPING CENTER AND I JUST HEARD SOMEBODY TRY TO RENT A SPOT UP THERE.
HE CAN'T RENT IT BECAUSE HE SAID SOMETHING'S HAPPENING ABOUT THE BUILDINGS.
YOU'RE GONNA TEAR THE WHOLE THING DOWN.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DEVELOPMENT AND THE SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER, WHAT WE DOING WITH THAT? NOTHING.
ARE WE WAITING ON THE DEVELOPER, COME IN, DEVELOP THAT WHOLE AREA FOR DO ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY CAME IN, PUT THEIR BUILDING UP, BUT NO, THE MESS AROUND AND DO NOTHING.
SO, I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING ON FOLKS? DIRTY CITY AND YOU TRASH PEOPLE.
BE BE OUT ON THE STREET FOR A LONG TIME'S, NEVER PICKED UP.
CALL OUT THE, THEY SAY CALL UP, THEY COVER IT UP, STAYS THERE.
GO DRIVE DOWN HORSEMAN ROAD BY LONGFELD, RIGHT? THE COUCH BEEN OUT THERE FOR MAYBE FOUR WEEKS, GOING DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, GO AROUND THE CORNER.
TRACE IS NOT BECAUSE ONE PERSON GOES OUT ON A TRASH TRUCK, THEY CAN'T DO IT ALL.
SO LET'S JUST START WITH THE BASICS.
JUST WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND, I KNOW YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT LADO SCHOOL, WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHERE I FELL IN LOVE WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS WENT TO HELL.
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I AM NOT HAPPY.IF YOU'D PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.
UH, JEFF MORFORD, MIAMI COUNTY.
NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE I LEFT OFF, BUT IT SURPRISES ME, IT DISAPPOINTS ME THAT THE LEADERS OF THIS COMMUNITY, GIVEN THEIR HISTORY OF FIGHTING FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE AND THEIR RIGHT TO GOVERN, WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN A ANNEXATION REQUEST.
THIS COMMUNITY FOUGHT FOR THEIR INDEPENDENCE.
THIS COMMUNITY FOUGHT FOR THEIR RIGHT TO SELF-GOVERN THIS COMMUNITY FOUGHT FOR ITS BORDERLINES.
THIS COMMUNITY FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO PLAN AND GROW WITH YOUR LOCAL CITIZENS IN MIND, YOUR COMMUNITY THAT WORKED AND PLANNED TO KEEP YOUR CITIZENS SAFE, OFFER THEM PUBLIC SERVICES, EDUCATION, FIRE AND POLICE PROTECTION ALL THE TIME WITH THEIR ETHIC AND MORAL CONCERNS IN MIND.
THIS COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS OFFICE HAS MADE DECISIONS OVER THE YEARS ON WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THE WELLBEING OF THE CITIZENS, AS WELL AS WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE LEGAL ACCORDING TO THE STATE, BUT NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE WELLBEING OF THE CITIZENS.
LIKE ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENTS WITH HISTORY OF TROUBLE, GENTLEMEN'S CLUBS, MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES, AND GAMBLING FACILITIES.
THESE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME DECISIONS THAT THE MIAMI COUNTY BETHEL TOWNSHIP CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE ACCORDING TO OUR PERSONAL LIFESTYLES, BELIEFS AND PLANS.
JUST BECAUSE OUR VIEW OF DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT ALIGN EXACTLY WHAT THOSE OF THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT MAKE US WRONG, THERE SHOULD BE A BALANCE PROVIDING THOSE WHO WANT A CITY LIFESTYLE AND THOSE WHO WANT A RURAL LIFESTYLE.
NOW THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT.
YOU'LL SOON VOTE TO ACCEPT OR REACH OUT THE ANNEXATION REQUEST.
HOW DOES IT FEEL? THIS IS THE SAME BASIC SITUATION THAT WAYNE TOWNSHIP FACED SOME 40 YEARS AGO.
I AM SURE YOUR PAST LEADERS LOOKED AT THE CITY OF DAYTON AS A SCHOOLYARD BULLY, TELLING THEM, JUST LEAVE US ALONE.
TAKE CARE OF YOUR CITY AND LET US TAKE CARE OF OURS.
NOW, BY LAW THAT WAS INITIALLY ENACTED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS TO PROVIDE GOOD AND WELCOMED RESULTS FOR THE COMMUNITIES INVOLVED, IT IS NOW BEING EXPLOITED AND ABUSED BY THOSE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING FOR FINANCIAL GAIN, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT GO AGAINST THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
WE IN MIAMI COUNTY, BETHEL TOWNSHIP HAVE NO LEGAL FOOTING.
ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK FOR YOUR NO VOTE.
OR IF YOU VOTE YES THAT YOUR COMMUNITY SEES A NEGATIVE IMPACT AND GOES FORWARD WITH A REFERENDUM, PLEASE VOTE NO.
YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED BY PAST ACTIONS.
BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND VOTE NO.
I WOULD LIKE TO REPLY TO TWOS LAST WEEK.
ONE, WE ARE NOT TAKING ANYTHING.
THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE BETHEL TOWNSHIP ZONING ALLOWS.
NO, YOU ARE NOT TAKING ANYTHING BUT YOUR VOTE YES TO ACCEPT THE ANNEXATION REQUEST AND ZONING CHANGE.
YOU ARE FACILITATING THE LOSS OF OUR TOWNSHIP AND COUNTY'S ABILITY TO GOVERN, MAKE DECISIONS ACCORDING TO OUR LIFESTYLE AND VALUES, AND TRULY PAY A BURDEN ON OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS.
TWO, THE PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY WHAT THEY WANT.
THAT STATEMENT IS VERY NOBLE AND RIGHTEOUS STATEMENT, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IT IS NOT TRUE.
ALL PROPERTY PRIVATELY OWNED ALWAYS COMES UNDER CONTROL OF A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY, TOWNSHIP.
THERE'S ALWAYS RESTRICTIONS, GUIDELINES, HEALTH ORDINANCES, PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUES, BUILDING PERMITS, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING CODES.
SOME GOVERNING BODIES EVEN GO AS FAR TO ESTABLISH WHAT COLOR YOU CAN PAINT YOUR HOUSE.
THOSE CODES AND ORDINANCE ARE PUT INTO PLACE TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER OWNER, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORS.
SO THE DECISION AND ACTION OF THIS INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
THE STATEMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH HIS PROPERTY AS AN INVERSE.
A PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
OVER THE YEARS, MANY PROPERTY OWNERS WERE FORCED TO SELL THEIR TIES BECAUSE OF PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT LIKE HIGHWAYS, HOSPITAL SCHOOLS, ET CETERA.
I'M SURE MANY OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR MULTIPLE OR MULTITUDE OF PERSONAL REASONS WERE NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING, BUT HAD NO CHOICE.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S INDIVIDUAL PLANS WERE PRIORITIZED TO TAKE A BACKSEAT TO THE OVERALL BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, TAKES PRECEDENT OVER THE INDIVIDUAL, IS OUR ELECTION PROCESS.
JUST CUZ I VOTED FOR CANDIDATE WHO I CONSIDER THE PERSON BEST FOR THE OFFICE.
THAT'S MY INDIVIDUAL OPINION, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE RULE, THE MAJORITY VOTE RULES OUT IN THE END.
SO AGAIN, OUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTED BY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE BETH OF TOWNSHIP, TRUSTEES AND VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALL ESTABLISHED THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY DO NOT WANT THIS
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HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE.THE 10TH COMMANDMENT, YOU SHALL NOT COVET YOUR NEIGHBOR'S WIFE AND YOU SHALL NOT DESIRE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, HIS FIELDS, HIS MALE SERVANT, HIS OXEN, HIS DONKEY, OR ANYTHING THAT IS YOUR NEIGHBORS.
AND ALWAYS, I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THE GOLDEN RULE.
DO UNTO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO UNTO YOU.
AND LADIES, NEXT UP WE HAVE JANET HART.
THANK YOU, UM, MAYOR GORE AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
YEAH, YOU MIGHT PULL THE MIC UP TO YOUR OKAY LEVEL.
OKAY, MAYOR GORE AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M JANET HAR, PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE BRIDE SENIOR CENTER.
UM, MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING A LITTLE LIGHTER.
I KNOW YOU HAVE HEAVY BURDENS ON ALL OF YOU.
SO LET ME LIGHTEN THINGS UP JUST A LITTLE, IF I MAY.
UM, WE ARE HERE, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND OUR MEMBERSHIP TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE UPDATES THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO OUR CENTER.
UM, THOSE INCLUDE, UM, NEW WINDOWS, PAINT OUTSIDE, A NEW ICE MACHINE CARPETS, HANDICAPPED DOORS FOR BOTH OUR RESTROOMS AND OUR ENTRANCE AWNING REPAIR.
AND OH, RECENTLY WE FOUND OUT WE HAD MONEY FOR UPDATED LIBRARY.
IT'S SMALL, BUT IT'S THE BEST IN THE MIDWEST, I GUARANTEE YOU.
AND A COPY MACHINE, WHICH DOES EVERYTHING BUT WASH DISHES.
SO WE SINCERELY THANK ALL OF YOU AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO MIKE GRAY WHO OVERSAW THE BUDGET AND THE REQUISITIONS, AND TO PAT LARSON WHO SENT THE COMMUNICATIONS FOR OUR NEEDS TO THE CENTER AND, AND TO YOU ALL.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A LARGER FACILITY.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE SINCERELY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE UPDATES AND WE APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS?
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, KEVIN CARTER.
UH, WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON TWO TOPICS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'VE ALSO REQUESTED TO SPEAK ON A FEW OTHER TOPICS TONIGHT.
BUT IN REFERENCE TO, UM, 10 B, WHICH IS COMING UP ABOUT THE, UM, WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN AND REITERATE, AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING, I'M STILL NOT SEEING ANY CLARITY IN ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS AND CONFUSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD COVERING THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.
AS MANY OF YOU SAW HOPE AND HOPEFULLY YOU READ, I HAD A MAGNITUDE OF EMAILS IN THAT I INCLUDED EVERYBODY ON.
AND IF ANY OF YOU COULD GIVE ME A TRUE CLEAR ANSWER FROM THE ANSWERS THAT I RECEIVED, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR 'EM.
BECAUSE I HEAR AT ONE POINT WE'RE GETTING, I HEAR AT ONE POINT WE HOPE TO GET AT ANOTHER POINT WE MIGHT GET.
WE JUST CAN'T GET ANY CLARITY IN WITH THE SEVERITY OF THE WATER MAIN.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE CLARITY OUT TO EVERYBODY SO THAT THEY KNOW A RECENT INCIDENT.
WE'VE JUST HAD TWO SERVICE LINE BREAKS.
ONE WAS ONE BREAK OCCURRED WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY REPAIRING A MAIN BREAK ON HUBBARD.
AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS WHEN THE CONTRACTOR WAS IN DOING A PIPE REPLACEMENT.
MY CONCERN THAT I HAD POSTED OUT WAS, RESIDENTS NEED TO WATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THEIR WATER PRESSURE AND THEIR WATER FLOW.
AND MR. BERGMAN'S RESPONSE TO ME AT ONE POINT, HE SAID THAT WHEN VIOLA WAS OUT MAKING THE REPAIR, THEY SAW THAT THEY CRIMPED THE LINE AND FIXED IT, BUT YET THE RESIDENT CALLED THE NEXT MORNING AND SAID, I DON'T HAVE WATER.
THEY HAD TO COME OUT AND, AND REDIG AND THEN TRENCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET TO FIX IT.
WELL, IF VIOLA HAD FIXED IT AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE MAKING REPAIRS, WHY DID THEY HAVE TO COME BACK OUT AND FIX IT AGAIN? SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE I'M EMPHASIZING CLARITY.
THE LAST THING IS I JUST WANTED TO READ AN ITEM, UM, AND THIS IS REGARDING RESIDENTS WHOM HAVE SPOKEN OUT AND CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE ANNEXATION.
I'M NOT TRYING TO GO OFF ON A DIFFERENT ANGLE HERE.
YOU MAYOR GORE, YOU SEEM TO TAKE A DEFENSE STANCE EVERY TIME YOU HEAR THIS.
YOU CLARIFY THAT THE CITY ISN'T GOING TO THE RESIDENCE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY,
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BUT THAT IT'S THE RESIDENCE COMING TO US.EXCUSE ME, YOU ARE ACTUALLY ONLY PARTIALLY CORRECT IN THAT STATEMENT.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING TO US, AND IT'S NOT THE RESIDENTS.
IN THE CASE OF THE ANNEXATION, THE BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ONE SPECIFIC DEVELOPER IN THE CITY IS MUCH MORE UNIQUE THAN IT IS FOR OTHER DEVELOPERS.
AND THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO TONIGHT.
WHAT ISN'T BEING SAID IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY FOR STOPPING DEVELOPMENT.
YOU COULD HAVE SAID NO TO THE ANNEXATION SERVICE AGREEMENT, BUT YOU DIDN'T.
YOU ORIGINALLY SAID NO TO THE ORIGINAL HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT ONLY TO TURN AROUND MONTHS LATER AND SAY YES TO AN EVEN MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT IN THE SAME EXACT LOCATION.
NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER HERE TONIGHT IS WANTING YOU TO SAY YES TO THEIR PROPOSAL.
AND THEN TOMORROW AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE ARE HEARING ABOUT ANOTHER 300 APARTMENTS, ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS IN ADDITION TO THE 532 AT HORIZON.
IN ADDITION TO THE 320 TONIGHT, ALL ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, I'M ASKING THAT YOU START, SAY, START SAYING NO.
AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, WE NEED TO FIX WHAT WE HAVE.
WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE HOW EVERYTHING DEVELOPS.
AND ONCE ALL OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMPLETED, WE HAVE WATER ISSUES, WE ARE QUICKLY AND RAPIDLY APPROACHING SEWER ISSUES AND WE ARE NOW SEEING TRAFFIC ISSUES.
I AM ASKING THAT YOU STOP SPENDING ON NEW DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION.
I AM ASKING YOU TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, FIXING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THEN MAINTAINING WHAT WE HAVE.
[8. Citizens Registered To Speak On Agenda Items]
HAVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CITIZENS WHO ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS. I JUST HAVE, UH, MR. CARTER TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 10 A AND 10 E, A AND E.[9. City Manager Report]
ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.UH, COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST, UH, JUST A REMINDER FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY, THE HUBER HEIGHTS TAX OFFICE IS HOSTING EXTENDED HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, ON MONDAY, APRIL 14TH.
THEY'LL BE OPEN FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SATURDAY APRIL 15TH FROM 8:30 AM TO 4:30 PM AND THEN AGAIN ON MONDAY APRIL 17TH AND TUESDAY APRIL 18TH FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL 6:00 PM UH, MEETINGS WITH STAFF ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
UH, PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE AT, UH,
THERE WILL BE NO CURBSIDE OR WALK-IN APPOINTMENTS, UH, DURING THIS TIME.
UH, ALSO WANNA LET FOLKS KNOW THAT, UH, COMING UP ON APRIL 22ND, IT IS EARTH DAY AND THE CITY IS HOSTING, UH, A FEW EVENTS, UH, AND RECOGNITION OF EARTH DAY.
UH, FIRST THERE IS A STYROFOAM RECYCLING EVENT, UH, SCHEDULED THAT DAY FROM 9:00 AM UNTIL 1:00 PM UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S APRIL 22ND.
THE STYROFOAM RECYCLING EVENT WILL BE HELD IN THE WEST PARKING LOT AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE EVENT AND WHAT IS OR IS NOT ACCEPTED, UH, FOLKS CAN VISIT THE CITY'S WEBSITE, UH, TRIPLE W DOT HH O H.ORG.
UH, THAT SAME DAY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION IS SPONSORING A PARKS CLEANUP EVENT, UH, FROM 11:00 AM UNTIL 12:00 PM PARTICIPANTS CAN COME OUT TO COMMUNITY, UH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER OVER ON POWELL ROAD AND GRAB TRASH, GRABBERS AND TRASH BAGS.
UH, THEY CAN THEN TAKE THOSE ITEMS TO ANY PARK OF THEIR CHOOSING, UH, AND COLLECT TRASH ONCE FILLED, THE BAGS CAN BE LEFT BY ESTABLISHED TRASHCANS AND CITY STAFF WILL COME BY AND PICK THOSE UP, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK.
AND THEN PARTICIPANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO RETURN TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, TO, UH, TAKE PART IN ACTIVITIES, UH, WHICH WILL RUN UNTIL 3:00 PM.
UH, ALSO WANNA LET FOLKS KNOW THAT ON MAY 12TH, UH, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS WILL BE THE FUTURE COMMUNITY IN THE DAYTON BUSINESS JOURNAL.
UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, AND FOLLOWING OUR FEATURE IN THE DAYTON BUSINESS JOURNAL, UH, WE TYPICALLY SEE SOME, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT INTEREST FROM, UH, FOLKS IN AND AROUND THE REGION.
SO IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL FEATURE FOR US IN THE PAST, AND WE HOPE, UH, IT WILL CONTINUE ITS SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, FINALLY, UH, JUST WANT TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE ISSUE OF, UH, FIREFIGHTING STAFF, UH, TO COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AS OF TODAY, FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC SAMANTHA STEIN AND FIREFIGHTER P PARAMEDIC, DANIELLA WALTER REPRESENT, UH, FIREFIGHTERS NUMBER 40 AND 41.
AND THEIR DATE OF, UH, START WITH THE DEPARTMENT IS APRIL 24TH.
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UH, OUR 40, UH, OUR 42ND CANDIDATE IS CURRENTLY IN TOWN THIS WEEK FROM ALABAMA, UH, TAKING ALL OF THE NECESSARY TESTS, UH, BETWEEN, UH, TODAY, TOMORROW, AND WEDNESDAY.UH, AND WE WILL SIMPLY BE WAITING FOR, UH, VARIOUS DOCTOR'S OFFICES TO RESPOND WITH TEST RESULTS AFTER WEDNESDAY.
SO THAT IS, UH, OUR UPDATE ON, UH, FIRE AND UH, FIRE STAFFING.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS COUNSEL MAY HAVE ON THOSE ITEMS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING HIS REPORT? YES.
JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, BRIAN, FOR THE UPDATE.
UH, THAT'S FOR THE FIREFIGHTER UPDATE.
[ An Ordinance To Approve A Rezoning To Planned Mixed Use (PM) And A Basic Development Plan For The Property Located At 6801 Executive Boulevard And Further Identified As Parcel Numbers P70 01820 0003 And P70 01820 0004 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Map And To Accept The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Case BDP 23-02). (second reading)]
DESIGN NUMBER 10, A TONY ITEM 10 A, AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE, A RESIGNING TO PLAN MIXED USE PM AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6,801 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 7 0 1 8 2 0 0 3 AND P 7 0 1 8 2 0 0 0 0 4 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP.AND TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN CASE BDP 23 DASH ZERO TWO AT THE SECOND READING.
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UH, THIS IS, UH, FOR A PROJECT OF APPROXIMATELY 300 MARKET RATE, UH, APARTMENTS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ROSE, AS WELL AS ONE FOUR ACRE, UH, COMMERCIAL PARCEL, UH, BEING, UH, PREPARED OR, UH, BEING CONSIDERED FOR, UH, BAR, RESTAURANT, UH, TYPE ACTIVITIES.
UH, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL, ADOPT THIS ITEM AS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE WORK SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, OPINION OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE WORK SESSION.
IS THERE A MOTION MARK? SO MOVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? RICHARD SECOND.
AND DURING THE DISCUSSION, THIS IS WHEN WE WOULD INVITE MR. CARTER TO THE PODIUM.
THIS IS THE ITEM V ONE TO SPEAK ON.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? MR. CARTER? GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THE MR. TARKOWSKI.
YOU SAID 300 UNITS, OR IS IT 320 UNITS? CAUSE I, I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING 320 UNITS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THE PROJECT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TOMORROW AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS 300.
SO I'M TAKING THIS AS TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
BUT IN ANY CASE, A QUICK HISTORY ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND TWO YEARS AGO, YOU GUYS WORKED WITH HORIZON LINE FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS.
AND AT THAT TIME, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THEY WERE PROPOSING 197 UNITS AFTER TWO YEARS OF TALKS AND NEGOTIATIONS, COUNCIL VOTED IT DOWN.
SOME OF YOU EVEN SAID, WE'RE VOTING IT DOWN BECAUSE THAT IS OUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
THEN A FEW MONTHS LATER, HORIZON LINE IN THE SAME LOCATION COMES BACK WITH 532 APARTMENTS AND THEY GET APPROVED.
IT'S LIKE, WHY WAS 197 TURNED DOWN, BUT YET 532 NOW GET ACCEPTED.
NOW WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT COMING IN AND THEY'RE PROPOSING, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, 320 UNITS.
IN BOTH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OUTLYING COMMERCIAL SLASH RETAIL SPACE.
AGAIN, I, I CORRELATE THIS BACK TO MARY MEADOWS, OF WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE OUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT IS NOW GOING TO BE 325 APARTMENTS AND A CITY HALL AND A SENIOR CENTER HERE.
IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WHICH I HOPE ALL OF YOU GIVE CONSIDERATION TOO, THEN THAT YOU DON'T, IF TOMORROW'S PROJECT ALSO GOES THROUGH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 1,152 APARTMENTS PLUS OR MINUS IN THE AREA DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ROSE.
THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE SHEETS GAS STATION THAT'S GOING TO BE ALSO BUILT RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
THAT DOESN'T REPRESENT AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
THE OTHER PART THAT I HOPE THAT YOU GIVE CONSIDERATION TO IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I CAME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND WE WERE TOLD, WELL, YOU KNOW, KNOW THEY USE GOVERNMENT NUMBERS FOR PROJECTED GROWTH AND EVERYTHING.
WE NEED TO SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
THOSE MODELS, AS THEY PROJECT OUT, WHICH THIS MODEL DOES, I THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE IT BECOMES LESS RELIABLE AS TIME GOES ON.
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STUDY OF WHAT WE ARE TRULY EXPERIENCING TODAY.THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE NOT EVEN COMPLETED YET.
AND TAYLORSVILLE BETWEEN TAYLOR OR, UH, OLD TROY PIKE, BETWEEN TAYLORSVILLE AND EXECUTIVE IS A NIGHTMARE.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO GIVE THOUGHT TO THE POSSIBLE CAMPGROUND THAT MIGHT COME IN.
WE ARE MAKING A NIGHTMARE SITUATION IN THAT AREA, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, THE 532 APARTMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, I HOPE YOU ALL GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO THIS 320 AND THE 300 THAT APPEAR TO BE IN THE PIPE WORK COMING DOWN THE LINE.
AND DENY THESE, LET'S MAKE WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT LAND, A TRUE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, PLEASE.
AND MOTION CARRIES SIX TO TWO.
[ A Resolution Directing The City Engineer To Prepare A Schedule For Two Water Main Replacement Projects, Valued At $6,000,000.00 Each, To Be Designed And Constructed At Eighteen-Month Cycles. (second reading)]
ITEM 10 B.ITEM 10 B, A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE CITY ENGINEER TO PREPARE A SCHEDULE FOR THE TWO WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS VALUED AT 6 MILLION EACH TO BE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED AT 18 MONTH CYCLES AT THE SECOND READING.
UH, THIS, UH, LEGISLATION IS BROUGHT, UH, FORWARD AND PURSUANT TO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
UH, THIS LEGISLATION, UH, WOULD, UH, SET THE STAGE FOR, UH, FUTURE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT AS REQUESTED BY COUNSEL DESIRED BY THE COMMUNITY.
AND YES, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WORK SESSION, UH, WAS TO ADOPT THIS ITEM THIS EVENING.
IS THERE A MOTION MARK? SO MOVED.
IS THERE A SECOND? RICHARD? SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? MR. ROGERS? MR. CAMPBELL? YES.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Solicit Requests For Proposals (RFP) From Qualified Engineering Consulting Firms To Provide Engineering Design For Future Water Main Replacement Projects. (second reading)]
10 C.ITEM 10 C, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SOLICIT PROPO REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, RFP FROM QUALIFIED ENGINEERING CONSULTING FIRMS TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING DESIGN FOR FUTURE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS AT THE SECOND READING.
BRIAN? UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.
PURSUANT TO COUNSEL'S REQUEST, UH, AND IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION, THIS MATTER PROVIDES DIRECTION TO COUNSEL TO BEGIN ENGINEERING THE APPROPRIATE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, UH, FOR FUTURE APPLICATION.
WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION THIS EVENING, AS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE WORK SESSION.
IS THERE A MOTION? ANITA
WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? TONY? MRS. BURCH? YES.
MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO AND NEXT IS
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into A Contract For The East Sanitary Sewer Extension Project. (second reading)]
ITEM 10 D.ITEM 10 D A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THE EAST SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT AT THE SECOND READING.
THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION, AGAIN WOULD AUTHORIZE THE, UH, CITY TO BEGIN, UM, OR TO AWARD THE, UH, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT ON THE EAST SIDE.
THIS WOULD OPEN UP APPROXIMATELY, UH, 3000 ACRES OF PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE, UH, TO EVENTUAL GRAVITY FED SERVICE, UH, AND HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RELIEVE, UH, FLOW CURRENTLY BEING SENT TO THE TRI-CITIES PLANT.
IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM BE ADOPTED AT THE WORK SESSION.
IS THERE A MOTION MARK? MOTION TO ADOPT ANTHONY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANITA? I AM GONNA VOTE FOR THIS, THIS TIME AROUND DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE, UM, TRI-CITY ISSUES WITH SEWER.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WILL BE A US VOTE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? TONY? MR. OTTO? NO.
AND THE MOTION CARRIES SIX TO TWO.
[ A Resolution Directing The City Manager To Plan Improvements To Dial Park. (second reading)]
NEXT UP IS ITEM 10 E.ITEM 10 E A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO PLAN IMPROVEMENTS TO DIAL PARK AT THE SECOND READING.
BRIAN? UH, THANK YOU MR. MARY.
THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS TO DO HILL PARK.
UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION THAT WAS PROPOSED INCLUDED ONLY $315,000 WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, AND COUNSEL WILL NEED TO AMEND THE ITEM BEFORE IT IS ADOPTED.
UH, IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE WORK SESSION THAT
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THIS ITEM, UH, BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING.UH, SO FIRST WE NEED A MOTION TO AMEND MARK.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION MR. LYONS? YES.
AND THEN NEXT WE WOULD NEED A MOTION FOR ADOPTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, MR. CARTER.
Y'ALL WEREN'T LISTENING ON THE FIRST TWO, SO LET'S TRY BETTER ON THIS ONE.
I WANNA FIRST SAY I AM NOT AGAINST PARTS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THOUGH, TWO THINGS REALLY BOTHER ME.
ONE IS THAT WE'VE GONE FROM 315,000 TO A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
AND OF THAT, ALL THAT I AM SEEING IS POSSIBLY A SWING SET, A PLAY STRUCTURE, A PICNIC SHELTER, AND A HALF COURT BASKETBALL SET UP.
THAT TO ME, SEEMS TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY.
AND IT, THE IMPRESSION I GET IS THAT WE'RE AUTHORIZING ESSENTIALLY A, A BLANK CHECK TO, TO PROCEED WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
I WOULD PREFER TO SEE WHAT ACTUAL COSTS ARE AND THEN LET'S DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT.
THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME THOUGH IS THAT BACK IN, IT WAS BETWEEN APRIL AND JUNE OF 2021, WHEN FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF DIAL PARK WAS PRESENTED, IT WAS ACTUALLY VOTED DOWN.
AND THE COMMENT AT WHEN IT WAS VOTED DOWN WAS THAT IT WAS BEING, UM, PUT THE REST PERMANENTLY SOMEHOW, SOME WAY IT WAS GIVEN C P R AND PUT ON LIFE SUPPORT THAT IN 2022 PARKS AND, UH, RECREATION CAME OUT WITH THIS SURVEY OR A POLL.
IN THAT PRESENTATION, THEY HAD MENTIONED PERCENTAGES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE WANTING WHAT PARTICULAR ITEMS. WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR WAS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE POLL, WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVED ADJACENT TO, OR AN IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE PARK VERSUS WHAT RESIDENTS OR WHAT PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LIVED IN OTHER WARDS DURING THE TIME.
WHEN THIS WAS VOTED DOWN IN 2021, YOU HAD PETITIONS PRESENTED TO YOU AND YOU HAD SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT CAME AND SAID, WHY CAN'T WE JUST LET IT BE? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION NOW IS WE'VE GOT A GREEN AREA THAT'S UNDISTURBED.
UNDEVELOPED, WHY CAN'T WE JUST LET IT GO FOR RIGHT NOW? BUT THE LAST THOUGHT THAT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN IS WITH A LEVEE THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP, THAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP FOR A VOTE.
IF THAT LEVEE DOESN'T PASS, ONE OF THE FIRST WORDS OR ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED AS BEING FOR CUTBACKS, SLATED FOR CUTBACKS WAS PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO HERE WE ARE WANTING TO PUT ALL THIS MONEY IN TO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE NEGLECTED IN THE FUTURE, I THINK IS A VALID QUESTION.
SO I WOULD ASK, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU WOULD RETHINK THIS ONE.
AND MAYBE FOR THE TIME BEING, LET'S LET DIAL PARK JUST STAY THE WAY IT IS.
LET'S LET ALL THE OTHER PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS SUSTAIN WHAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING AND THEN TAKE A LOOK AT POSSIBLY REDEVELOPING THIS AT A TIME IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ONE LAST TIME.
AND THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ONE.
[ An Ordinance Authorizing Advances And Transfers Between Various Funds Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio And Amending Ordinance No. 2022-O-2562 By Making Supplemental Appropriations For Expenses Of The City Of Huber Heights, Ohio For The Period Beginning January 1, 2023 And Ending December 31, 2023. (second reading)]
UP IS ITEM 10 F.ITEM 10 F AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING ADVANCES AND TRANSFERS BETWEEN VARIOUS FUNDS OF THE CITY OF HUB RIGHTS, OHIO AND AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022 DASH OH DASH 25 62 BY MAKING SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR EXPENSES OF THE CITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS OHIO THROUGH THE PERIOD BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING
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DECEMBER 31ST, 2023 AT THE SECOND READING.UH, IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY THIS EVENING AS WELL AS PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, THIS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE, UH, TO EXECUTE THE WILL OF COUNSEL.
IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM, UH, BE AMENDED, UH, DUE TO, UH, A FEW ADDITIONAL ITEMS, UH, PRIOR TO ITS ADOPTION.
IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE WORK SESSION THAT THIS ITEM BE ADOPTED.
IS THERE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS LEGISLATION? AND YOU DO SO MOVED TO AMEND.
IS THERE A SECOND, DON? I WILL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION TONY? MR. WEBB? YES.
AND A MOTION TO AMEND CARRY SEVEN TO ONE.
AND NEXT NEED A MOTION FOR ADOPTION, THEN MOVE TO ADOPT SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? TONY? MR. SHAW? YES.
[ A Motion To Direct The Clerk Of Council To Respond To The Ohio Division Of Liquor Control With No Objections In Reference To Liquor Permit #8200121 Application For Change Of Corporate Stock Ownership For Las Piramides At 6290 Chambersburg Road, Huber Heights, Ohio, 45424.]
UP IS ITEM NUMBER 11, NEW BUSINESS.A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CLERK COUNSEL TO RESPOND TO THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL WITH NO OBJECTIONS IN REFERENCE TO LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 80 20 0 0 0 1 2 1.
APPLICATION FOR CHANGE OF COPPER CORPORATE STOCK OWNERSHIP FOR LAS PIER AT 62 90 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO, 45,000 4 24.
TONY, DO YOU HAVE EXTRA COMMENTS? UH, THIS IS JUST AN APPROVAL OF A CHANGE OF, UH, CORPORATE STOCK OWNERSHIP FOR THIS BUSINESS, UM, INVOLVING THEIR LIQUOR PERMIT.
UH, WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION THAT THIS MOTION BE ADOPTED TONIGHT, AS WAS THE WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION? IS THERE A MOTION? NONE.
IS THERE A SECOND? GLENN SECOND.
MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO AND NEXT SAYS ITEM 11
[ A Public Hearing Scheduled For April 10, 2023 By The Huber Heights City Council For Case RZ BDP 23-04. The Applicant Is Skilken Gold Real Estate Development. The Applicant Is Requesting Approval Of A Rezoning From Planned Employment Park (PEP) To Planned Commercial (PC) And A Basic Development Plan For Property Located At 8245 Brandt Pike And Further Described As Parcel Numbers P70 0910 005 And P70 03910 0012 On The Montgomery County Auditor's Map.]
B.ITEM 11 B, A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL TWEN 10TH, 2023 BY THE HUB RIGHTS CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE RZ, B D P 23 DASH ZERO FOUR.
THE APPLICANT IS SKILL AND GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING FOR PLAN EMPLOYMENT PARK, P E P TO PLAN, COMMERCIAL PC, AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 82 45 BRANT PIKE.
FURTHER DESCRIBED AS PARCEL NUMBER P SEVEN ZERO ZERO NINE ONE TEN FIVE, AND P 70 0 3 9 1 0 1 2 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP.
AND THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 10TH, 2023 BY THE RIGHTS CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE BDP 23 DASH FOUR IS HEREBY OPEN AND I WOULD FIRST CALL ON OUR STAFF TO MAKE THEIR INITIAL PRESENTATION.
AARON, HOW ARE YOU SIR? I'M WELL, MAYOR YOURSELF? VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.
SO THIS IS A, UH, REZONING OF, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, 9.6 ACRES.
UH, CURRENT ZONING IS PLAN EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UH, THE EXISTING LAND USES AGRICULTURE.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS BOTH PLAN AND PAR.
EMPLOYMENT PARK, EXCUSE ME, AND AGRICULTURE.
THE, UH, APPLICANT IS REQUEST RE UH, APPROVAL OF REZONING FROM, UH, TWO PLAN COMMERCIAL AND APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 6,138 SQUARE FOOT SHEETS RESTAURANT AND CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THE FUELING CENTER.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE OF THE REZONING, AND THEN THIS IS THE AREA OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN.
UH, IT'LL BE NORTH OF, OF THE CREEK.
SO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE STORE THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, DOWN THE STREET AT THE CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND AL TOY PIKE.
UH, BOTH THE SIZE, THE ELEVATIONS IN THE SIGNAGE ARE, UH, NEARLY IDENTICAL.
UH, THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS HAS, UH, FOUR, UH, FUELING ISLANDS 17 DRIVE-THROUGH STACKING SPACES, WHICH IS LARGER THAN THE OTHER.
UM, UH, SITE, UH, 42 PROPOSED PARKING SPACES.
IT HAS BETTER INTERNAL FLOW THAN THE, UM, THE SITE DOWN DOWN THE STREET.
HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, UH, COMPLETE WITH THEIR CORPORATE BRANDING.
UH, THERE WILL BE A, UH, ENTRANCE OFF OF EXECUTIVE, AN ENTRANCE OFF OF BRANT.
UH, IT WOULD BE A LEFT TURN IN FROM, UH, BRANT INTO THE SITE AND A RIGHT TURN OUT ONLY, UH, A FULL, UH, TRAIN, A FULL TRAVEL INTERCHANGE ACT, UH, EXECUTIVE.
UH, AS FAR AS REZONING ANALYSIS, THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL
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CURRENT AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.UH, AND THE AREA HAS IS TRANSITIONING FROM, UH, PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK.
TWO MORE OF A MIXED USE, UH, DISTRICT.
UH, THE CORNER LOT HERE IS AT EXECUTIVE AND BRAND IS WELL SUITED FOR, UH, THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT STAFF FEELS THAT THE REZONING FROM PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK TWO PLAN COMMERCIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, AS FAR AS THE APPROVAL OF THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT IS STAFF'S OPINION.
THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET.
UH, AND WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, UH, ESSENTIALLY SIX CONDITIONS, UH, ONE THAT SIDEWALKS WOULD BE PROVIDED ALONG EXECUTIVE AND GRANT PIKE.
UH, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS TO THE NORTH OF EXECUTIVE.
WE WANTED TO BE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WERE WALKING ON SIDEWALKS, NOT IN THE STREET OR IN THE MUD.
UH, AND THAT INCLUDED THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE, UH, ALONG EXECUTIVE AT LEAST OF THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE, THE LARGE STORM WATER, UH, MANAGEMENT BASIN.
SECONDLY, WE WANTED THE APPLICANT TO IDENTIFY AS MANY, UH, MATURE TREES, UH, NEAR THE CORNER OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, WHERE, UM, THOSE COULD BE SAVED.
UH, INCORPORATE THOSE TREES INTO, UH, THEIR LANDSCAPING PLAN AND PROVIDE A TREE PRODUCTION, UH, PROGRAM, UH, AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN.
THIRD, UH, CONDITION WAS THAT, UH, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHANGES TO THE DECORATIVE MEDIANS THAT ARE ON BRAND AND OFFICER EXECUTIVE, AND THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE, UH, SOME, A WAY TO, UH, MITIGATE THOSE IN VISUAL IMPACTS TO THE CHANGES OF, OF THE MEDIANS.
AND WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM, UH, A LITTLE BIT ON THE, THE ACTUAL DISTANCE, UH, NEEDED FOR THAT.
UH, AND THEN THE STREET TREES WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD IN BRA PIKE AND PLACED A MINIMUM OF, UM, 40 FEET ON CENTER.
THE SIGN SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR SIGN CODE, WHICH IS CHAPTER 1189, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND THEN SIX, THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL BE THOSE OUTLINED IN, UH, 1160, OR EXCUSE ME, 11 76 0 1, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE FIVE, UH, USES.
UH, OTHERWISE THE PLANS ALL MEET THE, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, AND THE, THE, THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CASE SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS THAT MEET ALL OF THE CONDITIONS.
UH, THERE ARE NOW SIDEWALKS, UH, ALONG THE, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROJECT.
THEY ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE STREET TREE, UM, PRESENCE ALONG EXECUTIVE, UH, IN BRANT PIKE.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UH, FIVE TO ZERO FOR THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, WITH THOSE SIX CONDITIONS THAT I JUST OUTLINED, THE REVISED PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT REFLECT TO THOSE COMMISSIONS, UH, AND STA THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, COUNCIL APPROVE THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO NEXT, IF THERE'S ANYONE, UH, FROM SKILLING WORLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, PLEASE, UH, COME TO THE PODIUM.
I'M WITH SKILLING GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT ADDRESS IS 42 70 MORSE ROAD OUTTA COLUMBUS, OHIO.
WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE JOSH LONG FROM C E S O ENGINEERS AND, UH, DAVID BRHEL MYER FROM THE SHEETS TEAM HERE TO ANSWER, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY SITE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UH, OR SHEETS OPERATION QUESTIONS AS WELL.
SO MAYBE JUST KIND OF HANG OUT THERE FOR A SECOND AS WE GET KIND OF THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR OFFICIAL ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR SOME QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SO, SURE.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
CALL THE LAW DIRECTOR TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF THERE'S ANY TO BE HAD.
NO, WHOOPS, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MAYOR.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE THIS EVENING? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AGAINST THE APPROVAL OF THIS ISSUE THIS EVENING? OKAY, THANK YOU.
NEXT, I'D CALL MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF THEY HAVE ANY.
UM, ARE, ARE THE SIDEWALKS YOU'RE PUTTING THERE FIVE FEET WIDE? UM, I'LL HAVE TO D THEY ARE.
AND, UM, THEY'RE, WHEN THE, UH, TREES AND STUFF GO IN, THERE'S NOT
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GOING TO BE, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S CONSTRUCTED THAT MIGHT IMPEDE, UH, VISION FOR TRAFFIC COMING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.UM, YOU KNOW, PER THE, THE CODE REFERRING TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, WE, WE'VE PLANTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, WHAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED ON CODE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, A EMPHASIS ON KEEPING TREES THAT ARE ON SITE.
SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE VERY LARGE AND WIDE AND, AND TAKE QUITE A BIT OF OF VIEW FROM US THERE, UM, AND TAKE UP A LOT OF, OF VISUALS FOR, UH, POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS WANTING TO COME INTO SITE.
SO THAT MIGHT, UH, COME TO EFFECT INTO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, FOR FURTHER ANALYSIS.
BUT, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO OUR PLANS WHAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY, UH, PLANNING AND COMMISSION, UM, AND WE BELIEVE TO BE THAT, UH, SPACED ACCORDINGLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, KATE.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME APPROXIMATELY WHEN WOULD YOU BEGIN THIS PROJECT? YEAH, UH, SO THESE, YOU KNOW, WE GO INTO CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH A HOPEFUL VOTE HERE AND A HOPEFUL, UH, VOTE AT, UH, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN HEARING, UH, WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A COUPLE MONTHS REALLY TO GET THROUGH ENGINEERING.
UH, I THINK WE'D BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL.
UH, IT'S USUALLY, UH, AROUND A SIX MONTH CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
SO HOPEFULLY GO INTO, UH, 2024 WITH THIS, UM, IN CONSTRUCTION OR, OR CLOSE TO BEING BUILT.
AND ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WE EMPLOY? YEAH.
SO, UH, AT ANY GIVEN SITE, IT'S BETWEEN 30 TO 40 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, OBJECT.
DID I MISS, DID I ASK THAT QUESTION? HOW'S THIS, HOW'S THIS GONNA IMPACT THE ENTRANCE AT THE GAS STATION THAT MEYER BEN BLEEDER TURN IN LEFT ON GRANT, IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH PLUS THE ADDITION OF THE, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL LEFT HAND TURN OFF OF GRANT AND THE STREETS.
UM, SO THAT, I KNOW THAT MEETING IS WEER COMING OFF THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S ALREADY A MESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE EVERYBODY LINES UP AND THE LINE TRY TO GET A LIAR.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I LIVE ON THAT SIDE SOUND AND I HARDLY HAVE TO COME TO LOW 70 BECAUSE TRAFFIC'S A MESS.
SO HOW IS THIS NO, GIVE ME EVERYWHERE.
I WANTED TO BE THERE, BUT HOW IS IT GOING IMPACT THE TRAFFIC? GOING WITH AN ADDITIONAL LEFT HAND TURN INTO SHEETS AND MIDDLE LEFT HAND TURN ON THE EXECUTIVE REAL QUICK, SIR, I, I WOULD ASK IF YOU WOULD, UH, COME TO THE PODIUM, LEAST STATE YOUR NAME AT LEAST, SO WE HAVE, UH, YOU FOR THE RECORD.
AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, HOW'S THIS GONNA IMPACT TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT, GOING NORTH ON BRYANT WITH AN ADDITIONAL LEFT HAND TURN PAST THAT WEIRD LEFT HAND TURN IN THE MEYER? I MEAN, CAN THAT WHOLE THING JUST BE RIPPED OUT AND REDONE BECAUSE IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST OPTION AT THIS POINT,
I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, JUST AT THE DESIGN, THE DRAWING, SO AARON, CAN YOU KINDA EXPLAIN WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? YEAH.
UM, IF I HAVE ONE'S LARGER, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE LOOKED AT.
UH, WE DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY IMPACT, UM, INTO THE, TO THE AREA THAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS WE WOULD CUT BACK THAT MEDIAN IS KIND OF ENDS ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
THAT GETS CUT, WOULD GET CUT BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE AREA BY, UH, THE TURN IN INTO THE MEYER GAS STATION IS REALLY UNAFFECTED.
I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE ANY IMPACTS THERE.
BUT SO, SO AFTER THE MEDIAN FROM THE TURN IT INTO MEYER WHERE THE MEDIAN PICKS BACK UP AGAIN ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE CUT BACK? THAT WILL BE CUT BACK A LITTLE BIT AND, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM, UM, ON THE APPROPRIATE LENGTH OF THAT CUTBACK CUZ UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH STACKING ON RAMP PIKE.
UM, WHAT WE THINK IS BEING PROPOSED IS, UH, IS REASONABLE.
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YOUR POINT, I THINK, UH, MR. SHAW, AT LEAST THE, WHAT I SAW, UM, IF, IF THE MEDIAN GETS CUT BACK TOO, TOO MUCH, WE WOULD WANT, WE WOULD WORK WITH, UH, THE SHEETS DEVELOPER ON CHANGING HOW THAT LOOKS BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'LL JUST LOOK AWKWARD AND, AND NOT NOT BE VISUALLY APPEALING AT ALL.SO WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S REALLY THE FA THAT'S THE AREA WHERE, WHERE WE WILL LOOK AT ALL OF THE, UM, SPECIFIC RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, UH, AND, AND MAKE THAT ACCORDINGLY.
RICHARD, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT TOO OR HAVE I IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME THERE? OF COURSE.
UH, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE COMMENT.
UM, I, UH, FREQUENT MYERS QUITE A BIT, UM, COMING UP, UH, BRENT, UM, I'M, UH, THERE IN THE, UH, TURN LANE AND IF I'M THE FIRST CAR IN THE TURN LANE IN MY SUV, UH, I'M DOING THIS TO SEE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UM, AND UH, AND THAT STACKS UP PRETTY WELL, UH, DURING PEAK TIMES.
UH, IT IS MY HOPE THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, UH, THAT WE CAN BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.
UM, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT ENTIRE, UM, MEDIAN CORRIDOR TURN IN, UH, FROM MYERS, UH, UP THERE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, UM, WHETHER THAT'S A, A REPOSITION OF THAT LIGHT, WHETHER THAT'S SOME DIFFERENT LINE OF SITE ISSUES, UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO, TO BE LOOKING AT MORE GROWTH, THE LONG BRANCH PIKE IN THAT EXECUTIVE, UH, BOULEVARD AREA, UM, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING TO ACCESS MEYERS ACCESS, YOU KNOW, OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA, UM, USING THAT THOROUGHFARE.
UM, I, I DEFINITELY BELIEVE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
UH, STACKING, UH, WAS GONNA BE A QUESTION OF MINE, UH, PULLING INTO, UM, OR COMING FROM BRENT PIKE INTO THAT LOCATION BECAUSE AT MYERS THEY HAVE A LIGHT AT THIS LOCATION.
THERE WOULD NOT BE THAT, THAT THAT SIGNAL, UH, AND BEING SO CLOSE TO, UH, EXECUTIVE WHERE THERE IS A SIGNAL, I'M JUST HOPING IN THE DETAILED PHASE, THERE IS SOME SORT OF THOUGHT GIVEN TO THAT ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THERE.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TRAFFIC STUDIES, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE THOUGHT MAY BE.
UH, BUT FOR ALL OF US THAT TRAVEL THOSE ROADS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, REALISTICALLY, UM, WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
I, I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING BUT RICHARD JUST SAID, I THINK THE, I I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN THERE AS WELL, JUST PAST MEYER.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT RICHARD SAID IS ACCURATE.
WHEN YOU GO TO THAT LIGHT TO TURN INTO MEYER, IF YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE IN LINE, YOU CAN'T SEE, YOU ARE MISSING WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS OR YOU GET THE ARROW TO TURN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
SO IF YOU GOT SOMEONE WHO'S SITTING THERE AND WAITS AN EXTRA 15, 20 SECONDS BEFORE EVERYBODY STARTED TONKING THEIR HORN YEAH.
TO LET THEM KNOW, OH I CAN GO CUZ I, CUZ I CAN'T SEE THE LIGHT.
THAT'S JUST CREATING EVEN A BIGGER STACKING ISSUE BACK BEHIND IT, RIGHT? SO, UH, IF, IF THIS IS A TIME WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE AREA DOWN THROUGH THERE, THEN I, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, AT THAT WHOLE PROCESS, UH, FROM THAT LIGHT MEYER BEHIND IT BECAUSE KIND OF IN BETWEEN THERE FROM, FROM THE FREEWAY, IT'S KIND OF A FREE FOR ALL RIGHT? WE, THERE'S NO MEDIUM.
WE HAVE PEOPLE, I'VE SEEN 'EM DOING U-TURNS COMING UP THAT GO BACK AROUND THERE.
SO, UM, THIS WILL BE A GREAT TIME AS WE GET IN THE DETAILED PLAN TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE.
AND I REALIZE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT YOUR ZONING, BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT AREA, UH, A AGREE BEING PROACTIVE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T END UP WITH ANY OTHER ISSUES MOVING FORWARD WOULD, WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE CUZ THAT LIGHT GOING IN THE MYERS IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU'RE FIRST YOU CAN'T, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE WHEN THE LIGHT CHANGES.
THAT THAT LIGHT IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU GO OUT, UM, FROM THE GAS STATION AND IF YOU WANNA GO LEFT, YOU DO THAT STUPID YOUI WHICH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO TO GO NORTH.
UM, HAVE WE HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DISCLOSING THAT PART OF THE ROAD OFF AND HAVING PEOPLE, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT GO TO MEYER WHO GO DOWN EXECUTIVE AND GO INTO THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO MEYER THAT'S CLOSER TO TJ CHUMPS AND JUST MAKE THAT IN AND OUT FOR MEYER INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT CONVOLUTED, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN, UH, THAT'S COMING OFF AND GOING ON TO GRANT PIKE BY THE GAS STATION.
SO WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS PART OF THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT BR PIKE GOING FORWARD AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE ADDRESS THIS INTER REALLY THE EXECUTIVE BRAND PIKE INTERCHANGE GOING FORWARD WITH, UM, THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, NOT ONLY THIS ONE BUT THE APARTMENTS THAT, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ALONG WITH THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
WE'VE GOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY, UH, TO, TO MAKE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND I THINK SOME OF THIS CAN BE DONE WITH JUST LANE STRIPING.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT RUSS AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AS PART OF ALL OF THESE, UH, CONVERSATIONS.
IF YOU JUST CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THOSE NOTES GET CARRIED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THIS DETAILED PHASE.
UM, THAT'S BEING BROUGHT UP HERE NOW.
YES, KATE, THANK YOU MAYOR AARON, WOULD IT BE
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POSSIBLE, AND I'M JUST THROWING CAUSE I AGREE WITH MR. SHAW AND THE MAYOR NANCY, UM, MRS. PURGE, EXCUSE ME.UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE, LIKE FROM LONGFORD TO CHAMBERSBURG, IT'S A FREE WILLY MEDIAN, IT FLOWS AS PEOPLE NEED TO, COULD THAT BE POSSIBLE FROM 70 THROUGH SHAW AND THAT WAY THAT MEDIA PEOPLE NEED TO TURN LEFT OR THEIR CAR BREAKS DOWN? THEY, THEY'D HAVE A PLACE TO PULL OVER AND WORK ON THEIR CAR.
LIKE IF THEY HAD A FLAT TIRE, THEY COULD PULL OFF THE ROAD AND NOT BE STUCK CUZ THEY'RE, AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A STACKING ISSUE IS WHAT IT'S GONNA COME TO BE.
SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO REALLY LOOK AT THE WHOLE MEDIAN, UH, ISSUE.
THE AT WHERE YOU TURN INTO MEYER, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE.
AND THEN ABOUT 30 FEET NORTH OF THAT IS WHERE IT TAPERS INTO ESSENTIALLY JUST ONE MO PIECE OF GRASS.
AND I THINK THAT PART IS WHERE WE WOULD ELIMINATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT MAYBE FOUR FEET ISH, UH, WHICH WOULD GIVE US SOME, SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE BECAUSE EVEN GOING NORTH ON RAMP PIKE, YOU WANNA TURN ON SUL GHAR BACKING UP THERE.
IT'S A STACKING PROBLEM THERE.
ALSO, WE ALMOST NEED A DEDICATED TURN LANE AND TWO OTHER LANES CONTINUOUSLY GOING NORTH FOR LET FLOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OH YES DON ONE BRIEFLY.
AARON, UM, THE, UM, SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS, UH, IS ANTICIPATED THAT THAT WILL, UH, BE CONNECTED TO THE, UM, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, SOUTH OF THIS BETWEEN, UH, THE MEYER DRIVE AND SO THERE IS, UM, GO BACK.
SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP THIS, THIS AREA HERE, AND IT WOULD COME OFF OF THE MEYER DRIVE, UM, ACCESS RIGHT THERE.
UM, THERE REALLY IS NO WAY TO CROSS THIS STREAM, UM, FROM NORTH TO SOUTH WITHOUT, UH, INCURRING SOME ONE, SOME ENGINEERING CHALLENGES TO THE CORE OF ENGINEER.
UH, SO IT'LL BE EASIER JUST, I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY BISECTED BY THE, BY THIS STREAM.
UM, AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRULY TWO SEPARATE AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT.
UNLESS TIME, ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I WOULD ASK ONE LAST TIME IF THERE'S ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THE APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING CASE.
BARRING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, THE PUBLIC HEARING BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE RZ, B D P 23 DASH ZERO FOUR IS HEREBY CLOSED.
[ A Public Hearing Scheduled For April 10, 2023 By The Huber Heights City Council For Case RZ 22-35. The Applicant Is Thomas Dusa. The Applicant Is Requesting Approval Of A Rezoning To Planned Industrial (PI) And A Basic Development Plan For Property Located At The Southeast Corner Of Technology Boulevard And Artz Road And Further Described As Parcel Number P70 03903 0007 On The Montgomery County Auditor's Map.]
TO ITEM 11 C.ITEM 11 C, A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULE FOR APRIL 10TH, 2023 BY THE HUBER HEIGHT CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE RZ 22 DASH 35.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING TO PLANNED INDUSTRIAL PI AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD, AND FURTHER DESCRIBED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 3900 307 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP.
AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 10TH, 2023 BY THE HEBREW RIGHTS CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE RZ.
22 DASH 35 IS NOW OPEN, AND WE WOULD CALL ON CITY STAFF AARON, TO MAKE THE INITIAL PRESENTATION.
UH, IT'S 3.3 ACRES THAT, UH, IS BEING, IS CURRENTLY ZONED B3 COMMERCIAL.
UH, ADJACENT ZONING IS I ONE TO THE WEST I ONE TO THE NORTH, AS WELL AS PLANNED COMMERCIAL LARGELY TO THE, TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REZONING, UH, TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 12 SPACE TRUCK STOP WITH A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT REPAIR, UH, BUILDING.
SO THIS IS THE SITE JUST, UH, NORTH OF I 70, ALONG 2 35.
UH, THE LARGE PARCEL TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE WAS REZONED, UH, TWO PLANNING COM TO PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO FACILITATE A, UH, A FUELING CENTER, UH, AND, AND SMALL TRUCK STOP, AS WELL AS, UH, HEAVY DIESEL REPAIR FACILITY.
SEE THE ZONING? IT'S LARGELY INDUSTRIAL.
SO THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF OF TECHNOLOGY, UH, BOULEVARD AND
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THEN ARTS ROAD TO GET TO 2 35.THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE, UH, INTO THE SITE.
UH, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE, THE CURRENT FIELD, UH, ESPECIALLY ON, UH, 2 35.
IN ARTS, IT'S ABOUT EIGHT, BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT FEET, UH, DROP, UH, FROM THE ROADWAY TO THE, TO THE BASE.
THIS IS THE ARTIST'S RENDITION OF THE POTENTIAL, UM, COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
SO, AS I SAID, THE CL THE SITE IS CLOSE TO, UM, I 70 AND THE 2 35 INTERCHANGE.
THE SURROUNDING LANE USES ARE PREDOMINANTLY INDUSTRIAL, UH, AND USED FOR MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION AND LOGISTICS.
UH, I MENTIONED THE, THE 35 ACRES THAT WAS RECENTLY REZONED TO FACILITATE THAT FUEL STATION AND TRUCK STOP, UH, AND REPAIR FACILITY.
SO THERE WAS A LOG, EXCUSE ME, UH, A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION WITH PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE GATEWAY NATURE OF, OF THIS LOCATION AND THE NEED FOR AN ATTRACTIVE BUILDING IN A WELL LANDSCAPED, UM, SITE.
UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS FELT THAT THE REPAIR FACILITY WAS APPROPRIATE, BUT NOT JUST A, UH, SIMPLE, UH, TRAILER DROP LOT.
UH, AND SO THEN THE, THERE WAS ALSO CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE BUILDING DESIGN, UH, THE FENESTRATION AS WELL AS THE, THE CLADDING MATERIAL.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED THREE TO OH, TO RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, UM, THESE CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE, THAT ALL PARKING AND LOADING AREAS WILL BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, PROCESS, UH, NO ACTIVITIES INCLUDING PARKING, STORAGE, OR IMPROVEMENTS SHALL OCCUR UNTIL A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED, UH, AND THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTED AND THE ZONING CERTIFICATE ISSUED.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED AND WE'RE JUST NOT BUILDING A WELL LANDSCAPE PARKING LOT.
UH, AND THEN THE EXTERIOR BUILDING SHOULD BE 100% MASON AREA, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO NEXT I'D CALL ANYONE, UH, INCLUDING MR. THOMAS DESA TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR PROVIDED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE.
MR. DUSO, IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
I'M THE ENGINEER FOR THE SITE.
UH, THE OWNER WHO'S BEEN HERE A COUPLE TIMES AND THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.
UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD.
AARON'S PRESENTED IT AS, AS, UH, CORRECTLY.
AND, UM, BASICALLY I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THEY COME UP.
UM, UM, AND WE'RE WILLING TO FOLLOW ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT, THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE ASKED OF US.
UH, NEXT, SO GONNA HANG THERE FOR A MINUTE, OKAY? OR AT LEAST MAYBE HERE IN THE CASE WE HAVE ANYONE, UH, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE.
UH, BUT NEXT I'D CALL THE LAW DIRECTOR AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE ANY.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MAYOR.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS ISSUE THIS EVENING? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING ISSUE THIS EVENING? OKAY, NEXT, I CALL ANY MEMBER OF COUNSEL, UH, TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, COULD YOU REITERATE, UH, THERE SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN A COUPLE ITERATIONS THAT WENT ON.
UM, CAN YOU TELL US HOW THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE USED AGAIN? OKAY.
CAN, CAN I ASK THAT, AARON, DO THEY HAVE THIS SHEET THAT I WROTE PASS THE WORK SESSION? I DON'T HAVE ANY EXTRA COPIES OF WHERE IT WAS, BUT JUST, AND, AND I, AND I CAN, I WILL EXPLAIN.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ MY, WHEN I WAS UP HERE, NOT ON THIS, BUT AT A WORK SESSION, I THINK IT WAS IN DECEMBER, THEY ASKED FOR THIS SAME QUESTION, AND, AND I'VE EXPLAINED THAT AND I'LL, I WILL EXPLAIN IT AGAIN HERE.
UM, BUT, UH, BASICALLY IT HAD STARTED OUT AS A, AS A PLACE FOR A REST STOP FOR, FOR THE TRUCKERS ALONG 70.
THE OWNER IS A DRIVER, AND HE, AND HE'S AWARE OF THE NEED FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
THESE, THESE DRIVERS NEEDS, UH, TIME TO TAKE A BREAK FROM THEIR, THEIR RIGS, BUT INSTEAD OF PARKING IN TRUCK, UH, TRUCK STOPS AND WHATEVER, SHOPPING PLAZAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT HE WAS GONNA CREATE THIS, THIS LOT.
AND, AND AS AARON HAD SAID, IT HAD COME ACROSS AS JUST A TRUCK LOT, WHICH THAT WAS THE
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INTENT.BUT THE, THEY, THE WISH WAS BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION THAT WE ADD MORE TO IT.
SO WE DID, WE, WE WERE NOW GONNA CREATE A, A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE NICE, MEET ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, FOR WHAT'S FOR BEING, UH, THE FRONT, UH, PROPERTY HERE.
AND IT'S GONNA PROVIDE, UH, UH, UH, SERVICES FOR WORKING ON VEHICLES SHOULD THEY NEED IT.
UH, THE INTENT WAS THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT NECESSARILY A MECHANIC, HE'LL BUILD THE BUILDING AND HE WILL PROVIDE THAT.
WE, BUT WE INTEND TO GET SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA LEASE THAT AREA AND, AND BE ABLE TO WORK ON THOSE VEHICLES THEMSELVES AND THEN, AND, AND PAY THE RENT.
PLUS HE'LL HAVE AN OFFICE IN THERE TO, UH, MAINTAIN WHAT HE'S GONNA DO WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PARKING.
NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE EMPHASIZED HERE IS, UM, THE VEHICLES ARE COMING.
THE, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A SECURED AREA.
IT'S GONNA BE FENCED IN, AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE CAMERAS AND, UM, IT'LL BE GATED.
AND, UM, UM, WHEN THEY COME, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO STAY.
AND THEY'RE IN ORDER TO COME IN.
SOME, THEY, THEY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONTROL THE GATE, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES AND THEN FIND A RIDE TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING TO REST FOR THE EVENING.
AND, UM, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE ON THE SITE, BUT WE WILL HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS TO PROTECT THEIR LOADS WHILE THEY'RE THERE.
SO NANCY, NUMBER ONE, I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.
UM, IT LEAVES A PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M STILL UNCLEAR OF, WHICH IS, SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CODE, OR YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACCESS AND CONTROLLING ACCESS.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS TRUCK PARKING.
AND ON THE SIDE STREET THERE ON ARTS ROAD, THAT BECOMES A PARKING LOT.
AND I STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN.
THAT'S NEVER BEEN, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, CLARIFIED FOR ME.
CAUSE WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE GATE? IF, IF THE IDEA IS A TRUCK STOP AND HOW DO WE ELIMINATE, LIKE, THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE EVEN DOING WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING.
IF IT'S A, IF IT'S MEANT FOR PLACE, THE TRUCKERS CAN STOP AND REST.
BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GET IN THERE, WHO'S GONNA GIVE THEM ACCESS? AND I, I'M JUST GONNA ASK, THIS KIND OF SEEMS WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A LARGE TRUCKING COMMUNITY IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND IS, IS THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS ACCESSED FOR FRIENDS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE IN THE TRUCKING COMMUNITY, AND THEN NO ONE ELSE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO USE IT? NOW, THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE INTENT, BUT I'M STRUGGLING ON HOW ARE WE GONNA ALLOW ACCESS TO PEOPLE FOR ITS INTENDED USE IF WE HAVE A GATE THERE WITH CONTROLLED ACCESS, THAT THE PERSON WHO HAS THAT ACCESS IS PROBABLY, AS WE MENTIONED, IS A TRUCKER HIMSELF.
WHO'S GONNA BE GONE, WHO'S GOING TO BE REGULATING THIS? IS THERE GONNA BE A 24 HOUR EMPLOYEE THERE OPENING THE GATE, CLOSING THE GATE, MAKING SURE THAT THE STUFF IS PROTECTED AND THAT PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE AND PARK WITHOUT PARKING ON THE SIDE STREETS? SO THIS, I'M STILL NOT SURE THROUGH ALL THIS DISCUSSION, HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW THAT'S ACCOMPLISHING THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE STATED PURPOSE OF THE FACILITY IS.
IF THEY CAN'T GET IN THERE, WHY ARE WE BUILDING IT? THAT'S WHAT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
IT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
AND ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP, LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, AND SINCE THEN, I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT IN THIS, BUT THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE OWNER.
SO AS LONG AS SOMEBODY'S AS LONG, THEY MAY CLOSE AT A CERTAIN TIME, AND AT THAT POINT, WHOEVER'S DROPPING THEIR VEHICLE OFF IS GONNA KNOW THAT THEY CANNOT GET IN THERE.
UM, IT'LL BE A CONTROLLED GATE.
NOW MAYBE THE PERSON, UH, THAT'S LEASING THE, UM, UM, THE, THE BUILDING FOR HIS VEHICLES, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THROUGH THE GATE, BUT, BUT THE OWNER WILL HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE SITE AS LONG AS THE PLACE IS OPEN.
AND, UH, PEOPLE WERE GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE BEFORE HE LEAVES.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO GET BACK INTO THEIR VEHICLES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK WHEN THE, WHEN IT'S OPEN AND THEY'RE GONNA BE OPEN, IT'S PRESUMED THAT THEY WILL BE OPEN, UH, EVERY DAY.
BUT, UM, THE HOUR, THEY MAY SHUT DOWN.
IT MAY BE A, A SEVEN TO MIDNIGHT TYPE OF SHIFT THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND, AND GO OUT.
NOW, AS FAR AS ADVERTISING, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK OUT SOMETHING THROUGH THE INTERNET AND THROUGH THE PHONES AND, AND MAYBE THROUGH THE BILLBOARDS, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO CALL AHEAD OF
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TIME TO SEE IF IT'S OPEN.AND IF IT'S NOT OPEN, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TELL 'EM THERE IS NO PLACE.
OR IF SOMEBODY JUST DECIDES TO SEE THE SIGN AND DRIVE OVER THERE AND THAT'S CLOSED AND THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCESS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN.
NOW, UM, THE, UH, THE PART WITH THE TRUCKS, THAT IS A, THAT'S WAS ALSO A CONCERN THAT, UH, WE, WE WROTE ABOUT AT SOME POINT, THAT'S, IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY, SO WE CAN'T DO MUCH, BUT WHAT WE SUGGESTED IS THAT, UM, WE CAN PUT UP SIGNS THAT THERE IS NO PARKING ALONG THE ROADWAY ALONG ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THAT SITUATION OCCUR WHERE THEY SHOWED UP AND UM, AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE TO LET 'EM IN.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY MY, MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS, THIS WHOLE THING, IS TURNING THAT AREA INTO UNAUTHORIZED PARKING FOR TRUCKS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GET INTO THE ACTUAL PARKING SPACE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TRUCK STOP HERE A LONG TIME AGO IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WAS, WAS THEN REMOVED.
AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S JUST THE, THE TERM TRUCK STOP IS A, WAS A TOUCHY SUBJECT.
NONE OF US HERE ARE AGAINST TRUCK DRIVING AND LOGISTICS.
I MEAN, WE, WE GET IT THAT WE, WE HAVE A HUGE COMMUNITY OF THAT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T BE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REGULATE THAT WHEN, IF THERE'S A, A TRUCK DRIVER THAT DECIDES TO PARK THERE AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, RICHARD, THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN US NOT BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND ENFORCE SIGN CODE VIOLATIONS BECAUSE THEY PUT 'EM UP ON SATURDAY MORNINGS, EIGHT O'CLOCK WHEN THE ZONING PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR THE ABILITY TO, TO BE CITING AND ISSUING WARNINGS AND THOSE THINGS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE TRAFFIC OR THE PARKING LAWS THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE.
AND WITH THE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, WITH THE OWNER BEING, AGAIN, I HOPE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO, TO THIS TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN DURING HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE ROOM.
I MEAN, IF WE FILLED UP, WE, IF THERE'S A DRIVER WHO'S REALLY TIRED AND HE'S ALMOST CLOSE TO HIS HOURS AND AND HE PULLS OFF AND SEES THERE'S A TRUCK STOP THERE, AND THEN HE PULLS OFF AND HE CAN'T GET IN, IS HE GONNA SWING BACK AROUND AND GET BACK ON THE HIGHWAY AND TAKE OFF? OR IS HE JUST GONNA PARK AND SEE HE'S GONNA CATCH A COUPLE HOURS SLEEP BEFORE HE GETS BACK ON THE ROAD AGAIN? I MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS THE, THE BUILDING ISN'T A CONCERN.
THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE AND THE, AND THE WORKING, ALL THE, NONE OF THOSE THINGS BOTHER ME AT ALL.
THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT AND THERE'S A NEED FOR A PLACE FOR, FOR OUR DRIVERS AND EVEN LOCAL DRIVERS TO BE ABLE TO STOP.
BUT IT'S THE IDEA OF WHAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH AND HAVEN'T HEARD YET, IS THE SOLUTION TO STOP PEOPLE FROM PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GET INSIDE.
I, I MEAN, I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE DRIVERS AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO LEAVE LIKE AT 4:00 AM IN THE MORNING TO GET TO THEIR NEXT SHIFT, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
AND IF THIS IS ONLY OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT, HOW DID THEY GET THEIR TRUCKS OUT TO GO TO THEIR NEXT LOAD? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I WOULD THINK WITH TECHNOLOGY NOWADAYS THAT THEY COULD HAVE A KEYPAD WITH A CODE THAT THEY COULD JUST CODE IN THE GATE OPENS FOR THEM TO GET THEIR RIG OUT, YOU KNOW, GO IN TO GET THEIR RIG AND THEN THEY CODE OUT TO GET OUT.
AND THEN YOU WOULD KNOW HOW TO BUILD THEM IF YOU'RE BILLING FOR THEM STAYING THERE.
CUZ YOU WOULD HAVE THE IN AND OUT THAT WAY, KIND OF LIKE A STORAGE UNIT ALMOST, I WOULD THINK THERE'D BE SOME TECHNOLOGY.
SO IF IT'S ONLY MAN TILL 9:00 PM AT NIGHT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY CAN CODE IN AND OUT TO GET THEIR TRUCKS IN AND OUT.
JUST AS I SAID, I HAVE FRIENDS AND THEY'RE, THEY LEAVE OUT EARLY IN THE MORNING OR THEY MIGHT GET IN AT 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK FOR THEM.
AND THEY REALLY DO NEED THAT KIND OF A FACILITY YOU'RE WANTING TO DO, BUT JUST YOUR HOURS ARE NOT GONNA BE CONDUCIVE TO THIS.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE'S LIKE A, THE MASTER CONTROL OF THE, THE, OF THE DEVELOPER WHO'S BUILDING IT, IS HIS, IS IT GONNA BE MORE JUST KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, A FRIENDS THING THAT HEY, WHEN YOU'RE SWINGING BY YOU LET ME KNOW AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU BUZZ IN, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DRIVING BY FOR FULL OR WE'RE CLOSED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE.
MARK THE, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
MARK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, AARON? UH, IN THE CITY OF BUER HEIGHTS, UH, WE HAVE ZONING CODES THAT REQUIRE SO MANY PARKING SPACES FOR A, A SPECIFIC BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL, MULTI-FAMILY, THAT TYPE OF THING.
UH, WE'VE ALSO SEEN INCIDENCES THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF STRAIGHT ZONING, UH, BUSINESSES HAVE, UH, BEEN ALLOWED TO BUILD AND, AND MAYBE THERE WASN'T PROPER STACKING AND IT'S CREATED SAFETY CONCERNS.
WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING SPACES BASED ON THIS USE?
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SO THERE IS NO MINIMUM, UM, NUMBER OF, OF SEMI SPACES THAT WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED FOR THIS USE.WELL, SO THERE WOULD BE, THAT'S NOT ACCURATELY ACCURATE.
SO THERE WOULD BE, UH, THE, IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BAYS THAT ARE IN THE REPAIR FACILITY.
SO WHERE I'M HEADED, IS IT, THE PARKING IS BASED ON THE FACILITY ITSELF? CORRECT? THAT'S ONE CRITERIA.
AND SO FOR THE, FOR THE VEHICULAR PARKING, IT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, UH, FOUR OR FIVE SPACES, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN THE NUMBER OF BAYS.
THEN BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, BASED ON THE SI YEAH, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
THEN THERE IS THE, THE SEMI-TRUCK PARKING, WHICH WOULD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT.
AND SO IN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, UM, IN THE, IN THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF, OF TRUCK, TRUCK PARK, TRUCK PARKING STALLS, UH, IN PLANNED COMMERCIAL AREAS.
UM, BUT WE DO NOT IN PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
SO, UM, THAT WHAT WAS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY WAS, I BELIEVE, 30 OR SO.
YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT MORE IN THIS.
UM, AND THEN WE SCALED IT BACK BASED ON WHAT WAS, WE REQUESTED THE APPLICANT SCALE IT BACK BASED ON WHAT WAS PROPOSED, UH, ACROSS THE STREET ORIGINALLY.
UH, AND SO THERE IS ROOM TO GROW ON THIS SITE IF THERE ARE, IF THERE THERE'S DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, SEMI-TRUCK PARKING SPACES.
UM, BUT WE FELT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE MARKET IS FOR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE.
THERE WAS, UH, READING IN THE PAPER, THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED IN VANDALIA.
UM, BUT, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOTHING EXISTS LIKE SIMILAR TO THIS THAT IS KIND OF THE AIRBNB OF PARKING, UM, FOR, FOR TRUCKS AND THIS ON STREET PARKING THAT THE MAYOR HAS VOICED CONCERN.
IT IS THAT, IN YOUR OPINION, A CONCERN? YES, MAYBE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR AESTHETICS FOR US, MAKING SURE THAT TECHNOLOGY AND ARTS DON'T BECOME JUST A SEMI-TRUCK LINEUP, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE THAT I'VE NOTICED.
UM, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE AT NIGHT.
UM, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE.
IT'S A CONCERN THAT I BELIEVE THE POLICE WOULD HAVE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CONCERN THAT THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED.
SO THE HOURS, SO HOW THE FACILITY IS OPERATED FROM A RESERVATION STANDPOINT, UM, IS, IS ONE THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE ATTUNED TO, UH, AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND IN TRYING TO FLESH THIS OUT.
CUZ I DO WORRY THAT IF THIS IS EIGHT TO SIX, THERE'S NO RESERVATIONS OR EIGHT TO 11 OR, YOU KNOW, PICK THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THERE'S NO RESERVATIONS, IT BECOMES THE NEXT TRUCK STOP OFF THE HIGHWAY WHERE YOU'RE LINING PEOPLE UP ON THE, ON-RAMPS AND OFF RAMPS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT IS FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, OF THIS GATEWAY AREA.
SO WERE THERE ONE OR TWO BUSINESSES AT THIS LOCATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? IS ONE A MECHANICAL GARAGE AND THE OTHER A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT? YES.
WHAT WE WANTED TO BE SURE, WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS, UM, THAT, THAT WE WERE, HAD THE ABIL THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ACTUALLY PROVIDING A VALUE ADD SERVICE.
SO BOTH REPAIR, NOW WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE SERVICE OR HE'S LEASING IT OUT TO A MECHANIC, IT DIDN'T MATTER TO US, BUT IF WE WERE PROVIDING SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY, WE WANTED TO SEE THAT THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES WERE, WERE TRULY THERE.
AND IT NOT BECOME JUST A PARKING LOT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MY EXPERIENCE APPLICANTS SAY THEY'RE GONNA DO ONE THING, THE PARKING LOT GETS BUILT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH.
AND THEN IT BECOMES AN ENTIRE ENFORCEMENT NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO GET THAT TO COMPLY.
WHY WOULD JUST A PARKING LOT BUSINESS BE A PROBLEM THAT YOU JUST STATED? WE DIDN'T, STAFF DID NOT FEEL THAT AS WE LOOKED.
SO THE ZONING OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THE TIME, UM, AND STILL IS WANTED TO SEE THIS AREA GROW FOR JOBS AND LOGISTICS.
SO WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT JUST A TRAILER DROP LOT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE FUTURE OF, OF THIS CORRIDOR.
UH, WE ALSO FELT THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMEBODY BEING THERE, BEING ON SITE WATCHING IT, W AND THIS IS THE GATEWAY TO THE NORTH END OF THE CITY.
AS WE, AS YOU, AS WE MOVE UP 2 35, WE WANTED EYES ON, ON THE, ON THE PLACE.
AND THAT PROB IT WOULD LESS LIKELY HAPPEN IN MY VIEW IF IT WAS JUST A TRAILER DROP LOT.
THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO SEE A FACILITY THERE WITH SOME ACTIVITY
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IN ADDITION TO JOBS AND INCOME TAX.SO IF THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY LEASED OUT THE TRUCKING REPAIR AND THE TRUCKING REPAIR SIGNED SAY A FIVE YEAR LEASE AND TWO YEARS IN CEASED TO DO BUSINESS AND THAT STRUCTURE REMAINED EMPTY FOR THREE YEARS, THE PARKING LOT BUSINESS WOULD STILL CONTINUE, CORRECT? THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE MARKET WOULD BE BETTER THAN THAT, BUT THAT, YES, THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS THAT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO THIS? I THINK I WOULD WANT TO CONFER WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON, ON THAT BEFORE I, I GAVE YOU A A, UM, AN AFFIRMATIVE OR NEGATIVE RESPONSE ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, I WOULD WANT TO TALK TO OUR LAW DIRECTOR ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S WHAT'S LEGAL AND THEN THERE'S WHAT'S PRACTICAL AND I THINK BOTH ARE, UH, CONVERSATIONS WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE.
SO, MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT WILL WE BE ASKED TONIGHT SOMEWHERE IN THE AGENDA TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS? THIS IS JUST, THIS IS THE PUBLIC, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL GO, GO TO A SECOND.
YES, ANITA, WHAT'S THE NEAREST HOTEL IF THEY CAN'T STAY IN THE RIGS? I MEAN, GRANT PIKE I GUESS WOULD BE THE NEAREST, THE CLOSEST.
YEAH, I'M THINKING IF YOU LIVE IN HUBER, THIS IS GREAT.
IF YOU'RE NOT, AND THIS IS YOUR STOP, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IN AT 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING, ARE YOU GONNA FIND A TAXI OR AN UBER OR ANYTHING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO SOME, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING LOGISTICALLY, DO WE HAVE A HOTEL GOING ANYWHERE NEAR THAT'S TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT'S A LITTLE ODD SITUATION TOO.
NO, I THINK THAT, SO I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT THE, THERE WERE TWO CONSIDERATIONS.
ONE, IF YOU WERE PASSING THROUGH, THEN YOU WOULD UBER TO A HOTEL.
THIS ALSO SITE COULD BE A RELIEVER FOR THOSE, UM, UH, DRIVER OWNERS OR OWNER OPERATORS WHO LIVE HERE.
UH, AND, AND THEN WE HAVE LESS PRESSURE OF, OF THE SEMI-TRUCKS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
YEAH, IT'S PERFECT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HUBER.
I MEAN, YEAH, THEY LOVED ONES CAN MEET 'EM THERE, PICK 'EM UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND TAKE 'EM BACK.
BUT I'M THINKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, COMING IN FOR THE EVENING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THEIR REGULATED SLEEP TIME, THAT'S KIND OF A DISTANCE FOR THEM TO GET TO A HOTEL ROOM.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO IN, AND, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER, BUT I THINK THAT CORRELATES BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT NANCY'S QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE INTENT? AND I THINK THE INTENT IS WE'VE HEARD IT'S MULTIPLE THINGS AND SO YEAH.
UH, ALL, ALL GREAT DISCUSSION.
A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS HERE.
I KNOW WE HAVE THE PROPOSED BUILDING OUTLINED, UH, UP THERE AT TOP HERE.
UH, HAS ENGINEERING, UM, UH, GAVE CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT THESE, UH, TRUCKS, UH, WOULD BE COMING IN AND WOULD BE FORCED TO BACK IN AND TURN AROUND INTO THE PROPOSED SPOTS? IS THERE ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO DO THAT IF ALL SPOTS WERE FILLED? SO WE HAVEN'T, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DID NOT, UH, ASK THE ENGINEER TO PROVIDE, UM, TURNING RADIUS, UM, UH, BECAUSE IF WE RECALL CORRECTLY, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH AGAIN, ALLEVIATED THEM TO EXPAND FURTHER.
AND THEY ALSO HAD AN AREA WHERE THEY COULD DRIVE AROUND WHILE PULLING INTO THOSE SPOTS.
IF, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, UM, UH, UH, THE NORTH PART OF THE PICTURE THAT THAT'S THE SPOTS THAT THESE TRUCKS WOULD BE ASKED TO BACK INTO.
AM I CORRECT? SO THE, YEAH, SO THEY WOULD BE COMING OFF OF TECHNOLOGY HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
AND THEN SEVEN SPOTS HERE, FOUR DOWN HERE, AND ONE KIND OF PARALLEL.
UH, I, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE MY CDLS, BUT I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF TRUCKING TO MY FAMILY AND I CAN, UH, DRIVE ABOUT ANYTHING WITH WHEELS EXCEPT FOR AN AIRPLANE.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD BE, BE INTERESTED TO, UH, KNOW THE, UH, TRUCKER WHO'S GOING TO GET INTO SOME OF THOSE SPOTS, UH, ON SOME OF THOSE TIGHT SPACES.
UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A TRUCK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, FOUR ON THE SIDE, SIX ON THE TOP THERE.
UH, THAT'S GONNA GET KIND OF HECTIC REAL QUICK, PASSING IN A HURRY.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, IF IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, UH, IN THIS AREA THERE IS A FUELING STATION, A SHELL GAS STATION THAT'S NEAR YOU IN THE AREA.
UH, THE, THERE'S ONE UP ON THE CORNER RIGHT THERE.
DO WE KNOW IF THIS SHELL GAS STATION CURRENTLY HAS ISSUES WITH SEMI-TRUCKS BEING PARKED THERE OVERNIGHT? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
AND, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING, UH, TO THE MAYOR'S CONCERNS THAT, UH, UM, UH, AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME LEGITIMATE TO THOSE CONCERNS IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME, UM, THAT TRUCKERS AND, AND COMMERCIAL, UH, DRIVERS COULD BE THEN STARTING TO PARK ON
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TECHNOLOGY AND ART.HOWEVER, UM, FOR THAT TO BE AN ISSUE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF ON CENTER POINT 70 AND SHELL, IF WE HAVE RANDOM TRUCKERS THAT ARE JUST PULLING OVER AND STOPPING THERE.
AND IF THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE OF OUR PDR ZONING, UM, BECAUSE IF THAT HAS, I THINK THAT DRAWS MORE ISSUE AND LIGHT TO THAT CONCERN BECAUSE THERE'S A FUELING STATION THAT DOES HAVE DIESEL.
SO WHERE I DO KNOW THAT THE DIFFERENCES, THE FUELING STATIONS, MAN 24 7, THOSE ARE USUALLY OPEN, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND IF SOMEBODY'S THERE PARKING LONG TERM, THEY CAN GO OUT AND SAY, HEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GATED IN
UM, OR A SIGN THAT SAYS, HEY, THERE'S A TRUCK STOP.
SORRY, YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE CUZ WE DON'T KNOW HOW.
UM, I I I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE ISSUES OCCASIONALLY WITH, UM, PARKING, UH, ON THE ROSE PROPERTY AND THEN ALSO THE HOTEL NEXT TO IT, UM, THAT WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE TO, UH, ADDRESS WHAT THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT AND THE, AND THE DRIVERS, CORRECT.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S NEAR THE HOTEL, THAT'S MM-HMM.
I KNOW MYERS, WALMART, THINGS LIKE THAT HAS A HABIT TO HAVE IT YEP.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF MY CONCERNS ALSO.
UM, CAN YOU DISCUSS LIGHTING IN THIS AREA? UM, IS THAT, IS THAT MORE OF THE DETAILED PACKAGE? YEAH, THAT'S THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THIS IS A PRETTY INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UM, SO, UH, THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE IS ONE RESIDENCE TO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF ARTS, SO WE'RE LESS WORRIED ABOUT LIGHT TRESPASS, UM, THAN, THAN WE TYPICALLY WOULD BE.
UM, BUT WE WOULD GET INTO THE, THE LIGHTING AND THE SECURITY OF THAT, UH, THE DETAILED PLAN.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED TO.
AND, UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION, UH, WHICH COULD BE FOLLOWED UP AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, I ASSUME THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION PRIOR TO A SECOND READING? UH, YES.
UM, IS, IS ART AND TECHNOLOGY, THE TURNING RADIUS OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE? UM, IS THAT ALREADY CONDUCIVE, UH, TO ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMERCIAL AND SEMI, UM, UH, DRIVING, WHEN I WAS OUT LOOKING AT THE SITE, I SAW NUMEROUS, UH, TRUCKS GOING BACK TO THE VARIOUS FACILITIES AND THEY SEEMED TO BE OKAY HAVING NO ISSUES, UM, NAVIGATING THAT AREA.
IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TWO BIG INDUSTRIAL, UH, PARKS BACK THERE, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE.
I DO KNOW THERE'S SOME, SOME OTHER CAMPUSES BACK THERE.
I KNOW SOME OF 'EM USE, UH, WHAT I CALL SOME OF THE MORE, UH, SMALLER BOBTAIL, UH, RIGS.
SO BOX TRUCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA, IN THAT TURNING RADIUS, UH, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO MOVE AROUND.
UH, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS APPROVE A BUSINESS OF THIS NATURE AND IT TURNS INTO MARY LEE WAY AND TROY PIKE, WHERE WE'VE GOT SEMI-TRUCKS DRIVING UP ON SIDEWALKS TO MAKE THE TURN.
YEAH, NO, I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY THERE.
I, I DEFINITELY IN AGREEANCE THAT THE MORE DISCUSSION, UH, AND THE MORE ANSWERS NEED TO BE HAD ON THIS, UH, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM MOVING THIS FORWARD TO A SECOND RATING.
I, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE HAS, UH, ANY HEARTBURN WITH, UH, THIS BEING A TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY, BUT FOR, UH, A TRAIL TRUCK AND TRAILER DROP LOT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION IS, IS GOING.
IS IT POSSIBLE, UH, FOR US TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, HAVE THEM PURSUE MORE DETAIL, A MORE DEFINITIVE PLAN ON HOW THIS IS, UH, GOING TO BE USED TO ANSWER ALL? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A TON OF QUESTIONS.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY STILL HAVE MORE, UM, AND TO GET THOSE BIG QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE WE BRING IT UP HERE FOR A VOTE, BECAUSE AS THIS STANDS RIGHT NOW, I COULDN'T SUPPORT IT.
SO, DAVE, IF THIS COULD, WOULD IT TAKE COUNCIL ACTION TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE A ZONING IS APPROVED? BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOUNDS LIKE I KNOW THIS COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY BE CONCERNED WITH IS THAT IF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED, THEN IT GOES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA GO THROUGH THE DETAILED PLAN, AND THEN ONCE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES A DETAILED PLAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE KIND OF GO AWAY CUZ THEY'RE, IT, IT'S APPROVED AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, NUMBER ONE, I GUESS WE HAD A COUPLE THINGS.
SO NANCY HAD ASK ABOUT MOVING THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO NUMBER TWO, UH, DOES OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SUPPORT NANCY'S IDEA OF PUTTING THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET FURTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THE NUMBER THREE, IF THAT IS NUMBER THREE, UM, DOES ACTION NEED TO BE TAKEN TO DO THAT? OR CAN THAT JUST BE DONE BY RECOMMENDATION OR TONY, WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT? I, I THINK WE, WE HAVE, HAVE WE SENT THINGS BACK TO, TO THE PLANE COMMISSION BEFORE? I THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT.
I JUST, I'M JUST NOT REMEMBERING WHAT THAT PROCESS
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WAS.UM, I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING CODE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, TO TELL YOU WHAT THE PROCEDURE WAS.
I MEAN, HISTORICALLY, IF THE, THE REMAND FOR LACK, LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT BEING A PROBLEM.
CERTAINLY IF THIS HAS BEEN THE PURVIEW THAT THE COUNCIL HAS FOLLOWED IN THE PAST ON MORE COMPLEX ISSUES, I JUST, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE AND SEE WHAT THAT ACTUAL PROCEDURE WOULD BE.
TONY MAY HAVE SOME HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE ON IT THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF.
I, I CAN'T RECALL A SPECIFIC CASE, BUT I KNOW THINGS HAVE GONE BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO CHECK WHETHER THERE WAS A MOTION OR, UH, ACTUAL, UH, LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO REMAND IT TO THE YEAH.
BUT THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK BECAUSE TONIGHT'S NOT A TO APPROVE, THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION.
SO WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS WE WOULD NEED TO DO AT THE WORK SESSION AND THEN DECIDE THERE.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK, I'M NOT HEARING FROM ANYBODY THAT, OH NO, WE DON'T WANT THIS.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A MATTER OF, HEY, WE WANNA VOTE NO ON THIS AND JUST BE DONE.
BUT AT LEAST FURTHER INFORMATION, UH, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FURTHER BEFORE COUNSEL MAKES THE DECISION TO, TO ACTUALLY REZONE THE PROPERTY.
UM, AARON, YOU'VE HEARD THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, COUNSEL'S BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT REGARDING ACCESS AND PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT, UM, YOU CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, GET THOSE ADDRESSED, UH, BY OUR NEXT, UM, UH, READING HERE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, GET SOME OF THE ANSWERS? SO I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY BE, WOULD BE, SO BETWEEN TOM AND I YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIS, HIS ABILITY, THE ACTUAL OWNER OR APPLICANT AND, YOU KNOW, HIS HIS WORK SCHEDULE AND HOW OFTEN.
SO I GUESS THAT'S REALLY A QUESTION TO YOU.
WELL, JUST, MY PROBLEM IS I'M NOT SURE WHAT QUESTIONS I, I DIDN'T ANSWER TONIGHT, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GONNA BE ACCOMPLISHED BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME WE MEET THE SIZE.
AS YOU TALK ABOUT THE TURNING, I WANT IT BIGGER.
I WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS THE SIZE THEY WANT.
IF YOU WANT US TO CUT BACK ON THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS, YOU'RE ONLY COMPOUNDING THE ISSUE OF WE HAVE A GREAT BUSINESS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR 'EM.
WE'RE PUTTING UP THE FENCE AND ALL THE SECURITY.
BECAUSE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE DON'T WANT A PLACE, THESE TRUCKS ARE ALL, IF THEY'RE TRAVELING ON 70, THEY HAVE BEDS IN THEIR BACK.
THESE GUYS ARE USED TO PARKING AND STAYING IN THEIR BEDS AND STILL GETTING OFF THE ROAD.
BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THAT CAN COME OUT OF THAT.
SO WE, WE PUT SECURITY IN AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, IF YOU WANT TO COME IN HERE, YOU NEED TO LEAVE, CALL AN UBER, CALL A TAXI.
NOW WE, WE, WE PUT THE TIMES DOWN, BUT IF, IF THE MARKET IS SUCH THAT BUSINESS IS BOOMING AND WE NEED TO BE THERE 24 7, THEN WE'RE THERE 24 7 IF IT'S WORTH IT.
BUT THERE'S THE LIMIT OF HOW MANY SPACES IS, IF IT WERE FULL, WE CAN'T LET 'EM IN.
AND AS FAR AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY DO OUT THERE ON ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY OR WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO DOWN 2 35, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
WE CAN PUT SIGNS UP AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK HERE.
BUT IF THEY CHOOSE TO BREAK THE LAW, THAT CAN'T BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE HOMEWORK I CAN DO ON THIS TO STOP THAT.
WELL, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES REDUCES LAW DUE RESPECT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITHOUT THEM BREAKING THE LAW, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL CAN CONTROL, RIGHT.
BY EITHER YES OR NO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ISSUE.
OUR CONCERN IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BREAKING THE LAW, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
AND NO, WE CAN CONTROL THAT, IS TO NOT ALLOW IT, BUT NOT MATTER WHAT NOT ALLOW THEM TO COME THERE.
I LOOK, WE SHUT YOUR BUSINESS DOWN.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S A MATTER OF, I MEAN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE USE AGREED.
UM, SO BILLING ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, THERE'S A GOING OUT 70, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE THE CLOSEST TRUCK STOP IS ON 70 BETWEEN HUBER HEIGHTS AND COLUMBUS.
MAY, IF I, IF I MAY FOR JUST A MOMENT, I KNOW COUNCILMAN WEBB HAD THE FLOOR, AND YOU MAY BE IN MID THOUGHT, BUT I I THINK THIS MAY RECTIFY ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.
MR. NUER CORRECT, SIR? MM-HMM.
THAT DETENTION AREA IS WAY MORE THAN WE NEED,
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BUT WE COULD COME DOWN TO THE SOUTH, TOWARDS THE CREEK AND, AND, AND GIVE A LOT MORE ROOM.WHY WAS THAT? AND AARON, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME.
WHY WAS THAT PLAN NOT BROUGHT TO THIS COUNCIL? BECAUSE IT WAS MY FEELING THAT WHAT I WAS HEARING, UH, AND MAYBE READING BETWEEN THE LINES, MY INTERPRETATION WAS INACCURATE.
BUT WHAT I WAS READING FROM, UM, THE TENOR OF, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND WHAT I'VE ALSO, UH, LISA, WHAT I WAS HEARING IS THAT THERE WAS NOT A DESIRE, UH, TO MAKE THIS AREA A TRUCK STOP LOCATION.
UH, AND IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND BR AND BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS 30 OR SO, 35 OR SO PARKING SPACES.
BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S, THAT IS HOW I WAS READING THE CROWD.
SO, UH, UH, MAYOR, TO, TO THAT POINT, I KNOW WE AS A COUNCIL TOGETHER HA, HAVE MADE SEVERAL, UM, STATEMENTS THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY, OUR TRUCKING INDUSTRY, OUR HOMEGROWN INDUSTRY, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD A DISCUSSION ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH A LOT OF OUR NEW BUSINESSES TO EXPAND AND BE MORE TRUCK FRIENDLY.
MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE EVEN ADDRESSED OUR ORDINANCES FOR TRUCKS AND TRAILERS, PARKING ON OUR STREETS.
SO I, IF THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE I, IF, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND THIS LAND'S BEEN, UH, BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME MM-HMM.
UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE BEATING DOWN THE DOORS TO DO ANYTHING HERE.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP BETTER OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, CENTER POINT 70, WHICH WAS DEDICATED BY THIS COMMUNITY AS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UM, ME PERSONALLY, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LARGER PLAN IF THAT'S GONNA ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES, IF NOT ALL OF THEM THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS.
UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, THAT LARGER, UM, UH, PIECE, I KNOW WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ACROSS THE STREET BY THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS ON THEM.
THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION HERE TODAY.
BUT THEY ALSO CAME UP WITH A SMALLER CONCEPT, AND THEY END UP GETTING APPROVED FOR A LARGER CONCEPT BECAUSE AGAIN, THE TURN IN RADIUS, THE MAKING SENSE OF THE OPERATION, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A NEED COMING OFF OF 70.
MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, UNTIL YOU GET TO SPRINGFIELD, THERE'S NOT EVEN ANOTHER REAL LOCATION YOU CAN GET TO UNTIL YOU GET ALMOST INTO PLAIN CITY, UH, GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION.
UH, YOU'RE YOUR WAY PAST BROOKFIELD, IF NOT ALMOST AT THE STATE LINE BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO A LOCATION, I THINK, UM, LOVES HAS ONE SOMEWHERE OUT NEAR THAT AREA.
SO YES, THERE IS A NEED BEING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE AT, AT AT 70 AND 75.
AND THAT'S THE BASIS FOR MY CONCERNS IS THAT ALL THAT TRAFFIC, AND THEN THEY ENDED UP PARKING, ILLEGAL PARKING RATHER THAN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NO ROOM AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA PARK THERE UNTIL SOMEBODY TELLS THEY GOT, I GUESS TO THAT POINT, DID YOU KNOW THERE WAS A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN THIS? UH, I DIDN'T, I, I MEAN, AND I UNDERSTAND YEAH.
AARON'S POINT AND, AND WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT, UM, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING EITHER.
SO LET ME GO BACK, DON REAL QUICK.
ARE DON, ARE YOU, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, FROM, UH, TO AARON, AND THEN I KNOW, WE'LL, I DO HAVE TO KATE AND THEN BACK TO GLENN.
I JUST HAVE ONE, UH, FOLLOW UP.
UH, SO AARON, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AS MR. DU STATED OF EXPANSION, POTENTIAL EXPANSION.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, AS YOU DID TONIGHT, THAT THE AREA TO THE SOUTH COULD BE, UH, EX UH, AN AREA FOR EXPANSION MM-HMM.
AND WOULD IT BE YOUR INTENTION TO HAVE THAT EXPANDED AREA, UH, OR COUNCIL TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, UH, BE FULLY PAVED AS WELL AS THIS ONE IS? YES.
WE WOULD MEET, WE WOULD MEET THE CODE, WHICH REQUIRES THAT, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE OUR, OUR ALL ALONG, EVEN IF WE GOT THROUGH THIS, THE, WE WERE GONNA SEE WHAT THE MARKET BROUGHT.
AND IF WE, WE RAN INTO THESE QUES THESE ISSUES, WE WERE GONNA COME BACK AND PETITION TO ADD MORE PARKING TO THE END.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, WE HELD IT AT THIS, BUT WE WERE GONNA, I MEAN, I'M, I'M GLAD TO THINK ALL YOU GUYS WANNA BELIEVE THIS IS A, THIS IS GONNA BE BUSY, AND IT MAY BE, AND WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE THE CHANCE, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE, I THINK THERE WAS A FEELER HERE TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE USING THIS.
SO IF WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE EMPTY LOTS, I, I, I DON'T, I'M GUESSING THAT.
AND SO WE ARE, WE ARE WILLING TO MOVE AND PUT SOMETHING BIGGER IN AND, AND PROVIDE THE SECURITY AND, BUT WE STILL WANT TO GO WITH THE IDEA OF THAT THEY CAN'T COME THERE AND STAY AS A NORMAL TRUCK STOP.
THAT, THAT IS MY RECOLLECTION FROM PLANNING, UH, AS YOU JUST STATED.
THANKS TO GO TO KATE AND COME BACK TO GLEN.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN YOU COME BACK A BETTER OPERATIONAL PLAN OR BUSINESS PLAN, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS, IT'S KINDA LIKE NAILING JELLO TO THE WALL.
IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO I NEED EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO,
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WHO'S GONNA DO IT, AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA EXECUTE IT.AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MARKETING OR WHICH PART? YOUR MARKETING, YOUR SECURITY, WHO'S GONNA MANAGE IT? YOU HAVE A MECHANIC READY TO GO IN THERE.
UM, YOUR EXACT PLANS THIS, WELL, WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THE, LIKE, IT'S JUST TOO, TOO ALL OVER.
AND I'M AFRAID THAT THIS IS GONNA BE HUMAN TRAFFICKING OR DRUG EXCHANGE PLACES, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN MY COMMUNITY.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
MR. DUSA, I, UH, BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR SET, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
UM, AS OUR, UM, ENGINEER HAD STATED OR PLANT STATED, UH, WE, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A ONE-OFF THING.
IT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT KNOWN, THEY'RE NOT EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S NOT THIS TYPE OF SETUP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, I'VE DRIVEN, UH, LARGE VE LARGE TRUCKS VERY, VERY, VERY FEW TIMES IN MY MILITARY EXPERIENCE.
BUT, UM, I'M NOT A TRUCK DRIVER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OPERATION IS RUN.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DESIRE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR OPERATIONAL PLAN IS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW YOU'RE GONNA RUN YOUR BUSINESS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANY OF MY BUSINESS.
UM, MY CONCERN IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO, UM, WHICH IS TO BUILD A PLACE FOR THESE VEHICLES TO, UH, STAY.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE BY APPOINTMENT.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT, IF THE GATE'S LOCKED AND THERE'S LIMITED ACCESS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US.
AS LONG AS THAT'S UPHELD AND IT'S GATED, YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU COULD DO.
YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS ON THE STREETS.
WE COULD CERTAINLY POST NO PO PARKING SIGNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, AND ADDRESS THOSE THINGS THAT THEY BECOME AN ISSUE.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK THIS FITS THE LOCATION.
UM, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING BUSINESS TO PUT OUT THERE.
UM, AND, UH, I HOPE THIS GOES THROUGH AND I WISH YOU LUCK.
UM, IT, IT'S MY HOPE THAT YOU DO NEED TO EXPAND THIS, TO UTILIZE THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE SO YOU CAN, BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESS DOES THE RIGHT.
THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, SIR.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE, THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO HERE WOULD BE TO, UM, BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, ACCOMMODATE MR. SHAW'S REQUEST AND FIND OUT WHAT THAT EXPANDED PLAN MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UM, DISCUSS THIS AT, AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND SEE WHAT WE COULD, WHAT WE COULD DO THERE AND WHAT THE, KINDA WHAT THE OPINION OF THE COUNCIL IS ONCE WE, ONCE WE SEE THAT, HOW THAT LINES OUT, HOW THAT WORKS.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS ALONG WITH SEEING, UH, A MORE EXPANDED PLAN ON, ON WHAT COULD BE THERE IF THE EXPANDED, IF THE EXPANDED PLAN KEEPS PEOPLE FROM LGO PARKING, THEN I'M ALL ABOUT, THAT STILL HAS TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO YOU COULD MODIFY PLAN WITH A SUPER MAJORITY, UH, TO OVERTURN THE DECISION ON THE PLANNING CONDITION.
SO WE GO, SO IS IT GOING BACK TO PLAN COMMISSION? WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE IT JUST, I THINK THE RIGHT THING WOULD BE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND TO DECIDE WHAT COURSE OF ACTION YOU WANT TO DO AT THAT POINT.
AND, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE LEGAL PART OF HOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT THE PROCESS FOR THAT WOULD BE.
SO AT THIS POINT, NO, UH, OBJECTIONS OR SIR, MAJORITY OBJECTION.
MOVING THIS BACK TO THE WORK SESSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THIS BACK TO THE WORK SESSION THEN.
WE'LL WILL, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
I NEED TO GET WITH HIM FOR THE, WHAT I NEED TO DO, OR JUST, YES.
MAINLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE EXPANSION AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THE SECURITY.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS? I THINK SO.
MORE SO THE BUSINESS PLAN, SIR, HOW IT'S GONNA BE RAN THE HOUR, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? OKAY.
WE'LL FINISH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO ONE LAST TIME IS EVERYONE PRESENT WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR ZONING ISSUE.
FURTHER COMMENTS, PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE RZ 22 DASH 35 IS HEREBY CLOSED, WHICH
[ An Ordinance To Approve A Rezoning From Planned Employment Park (PEP) To Planned Commercial (PC) And A Basic Development Plan For The Property Located At 8245 Brandt Pike And Further Identified As Parcel Numbers P70 03910 0005 And P70 03910 0012 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Map And To Accept The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Case RZ BDP 23-04). (first reading)]
BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 C, I'M SORRY, 11 D ITEM 11 D IN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE A REZONING FROM PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK, P E P TO PLAN, COMMERCIAL PC, AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 82 45.GRANT PIKE, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBERS P 7 0 0 3 9 1 0 0 0 5,
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AND P 7 0 0 3 9 1 0 0 0 112 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP.AND TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN CASE R Z B DP 23 DASH ZERO FOUR AT THE FIRST READING.
UH, RELATIVE TO TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, UH, IS BEFORE COUNSEL, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS ITEM BE PASSED TO A SECOND READING AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MOVING THIS ITEM TO A SECOND, THE SECOND READING.
[ An Ordinance To Approve A Rezoning To Planned Industrial (PI) And Basic Development Plan For The Property Located At The Southeast Corner Of Technology Boulevard And Artz Road And Further Identified As Parcel Number P70 03903 0007 On The Montgomery County Auditor’s Map And Accepting The Recommendation Of The Planning Commission (Case RZ BDP 22-35). (first reading)]
UP IS ITEM 11 E.ITEM 11 E IN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE A REZONING TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL PI AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD IN AN ARTS ROAD, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 3903 0 0 0 7 ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITOR'S MAP AND ACCEPTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN CASE RZ B DP 22 DASH 35 AT THE FIRST READING.
AND FURTHERANCE OF COUNSEL'S DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, UH, IN THIS MATTER, HEADED BACK TO, UH, THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
UH, IT WOULD BE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM MOVED TO A SECOND READING, UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE WORK SESSION OCCURS.
OBJECTION, MOVING THIS ASSIGN TO THE WORK SESSION.
[ A Resolution Approving The Assignment Of The Horizon Line Development Agreement And Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into The First Amendment To The Horizon Line Development Agreement. (first reading)]
IS ITEM 11 F.ITEM 11 F A RESOLUTION, APPROVING THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT THE FIRST READING.
UH, A FEW MINUTES ON THIS TOPIC, UH, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE, COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY IN A FEW DIFFERENT, UH, ITERATIONS.
UH, IF YOU WILL RECALL BACK IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE 2022, UH, THE CITY HAD A NEGOTIATED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH HORIZON LINE, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR, UH, DENSE, UH, OR A MORE DENSE MARKET RATE APARTMENT PROJECT, UH, AT THE LAYMAN FARM, OUR PROPERTY THAT WE OWN AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BRANT AND EXECUTIVE.
UH, THE IDEA BEHIND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, OR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WAS TO CREATE A, UM, A CUSTOMER BASE, IF YOU WILL, FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT ALONG THE ROAD, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, AS WELL AS THE HARD CORNER OF EXECUTIVE AND BRANT.
UM, FOLLOWING, UH, THE, UM, FOLLOWING THE, UH, AGREEMENTS, EXECUTION BY BOTH PARTIES, UH, HORIZON LINE REACHED OUT TO A FIRM CALLED RH AND M, OR EXCUSE ME, RHM.
UH, AND RHM, UH, IS A FIRM THAT DOES, UH, THESE HIGH DENSITY OR THESE, UH, THESE HIGH VOLUME, UM, UH, APARTMENTS THAT, UH, THE CITY HAD, UH, AN INTEREST IN SEEING.
UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, THROUGH THE COURSE OF, UM, OF, UH, THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UH, THE CITY WAS REQUESTED TO EXTEND, UH, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, UH, WITH, UH, HORIZON LINE TO ALLOW R H M, UH, SEVERAL ADDITIONAL MONTHS OF TIME TO PERFORM DUE DILIGENCE.
UH, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHEN THAT MATTER CAME BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL, UH, THAT MATTER WAS REMOVED FROM, UH, THE COUNCIL DIAS BECAUSE, UH, IT DIDN'T REALLY REFLECT THE INTENT OF, UH, OF THE CITY'S INTEREST IN THE DEAL THAT WE WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING DONE, AND WE WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN, UH, SUBSEQUENT, UH, TO THAT IT'S REMOVAL FROM THE AGENDA.
UH, STAFF HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER, RHM, UH, AND RHM, UH, EMPHASIZED THAT THEIR DESIRE WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND THAT THEY WERE COMMITTED, UH, TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
IN RESPONSE TO THAT, UH, THEY HAVE ASKED THE CITY TO, UM, EXTEND THE AGREEMENT, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH HORIZON LINE BY 45 DAYS, NOT THE ORIGINAL OR NOT THE FOUR MONTHS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SENT BEFORE COUNCIL.
UH, THE SPECIFIC REQUEST OF 45 DAYS IS TO ENABLE A, UH, CLOSING OF THE DEAL.
UH, IT WAS, UM, UH, IT WAS THEIR DESIRE IN, UH, IN THE CITY'S DESIRE BASED ON THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, UH, TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD.
UH, RHM, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, UTILIZING THEIR DEVELOPMENT ARM, J J J DEVELOPMENT, UH, THEY ARE CONTINUING TO PROCEED, UH, AT RISK.
UH, THEY WILL BE BACK, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE, UH, THEIR PROJECT FORWARD, WHAT THEY HOPE WILL BE THEIR PROJECT FORWARD.
UH, AND THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, UH, CLOSING ON THIS PROJECT, ABSENT OTHER APPROVALS THAT WOULD NORMALLY COME WITH THESE PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECTS.
SO, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS NOT SUBJECT, UH, UH, THAT IS NOT A, AN APPROVAL THEY ARE ASKING FOR PRIOR TO CLOSING ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, NOR IS THE ACQUISITION OF ALL THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING PERMITS FROM THE COUNTY.
SO TO REITERATE, TONIGHT'S, UH, REQUEST IS TO OFFER AN EX AN EXTENSION AND AN ASSIGNMENT.
UH, SO HORIZON LINE WOULD NO LONGER BE PARTNERING WITH THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD BE MOVING TO R H M AND THEIR SUBSIDIARY, JJ J.
UH, IN THAT THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT IS ONLY TO ALLOW 45 DAYS, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPER TO BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE CLOSE.
UH, IN FURTHER DEMONSTRATION OF, UH, THE
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DEVELOPER'S COMMITMENT, UH, THEY ARE WILLING TO MAKE A DEPOSIT TO ESCROW TOMORROW, UH, TO SECURELY, UH, DEMONSTRATE THAT THEIR INTEREST AND COMMITMENT TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEVELOPER HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS ANY COUNSEL'S, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, AND TO SPEAK ON THEIR COMMITMENT TO THIS PROJECT.
UH, IT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, BASED ON, UH, PRIOR DISCUSSION, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING.
UH, STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, THE WORK SESSION RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADOPT THE STAFF THIS EVENING.
IS THERE A SECOND, DON? UH, WELL, SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, BRIAN, YOU MENTIONED THE 45 DAYS.
WHEN DOES THAT 45 DAYS START? AND, UM, HOW EAGER IS THE DEVELOPER LOOKING TO GET MOVING FORWARD? UM, BECAUSE IF MEMORY SERVES CORRECT, WE RAN INTO ROADBLOCKS, UH, LANDMINES, AND A COMPLETE, UH, NUCLEAR DISASTER OF THE ORIGINAL HORIZON LINE AGREEMENT TO GET US WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
SO GIVE ME SOMETHING TO FEEL, FEEL WARM AND FUZZY ABOUT, UH, ABOUT MOVING THIS FORWARD.
SO THE ORIGINAL 45 DAYS, SO THE 45 DAYS ACTUALLY STARTED, UH, ON OUR CLOCK STARTED WHEN THE, UH, CURRENT AGREEMENT TECHNICALLY EXPIRED, WHICH IS, UH, MARCH 31ST.
SO, UH, RHM, UH, TRIPLE J HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE CLOCK TO TRY AND, UH, MAKE THOSE 45 DAYS WORK.
SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC DATE THAT IS MAY 15, UH, AND THAT IS WHAT'S CALLED OUT IN THE AMENDMENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, ANDREW, IF YOU, UH, WANNA ADDRESS COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW'S COMMENT ABOUT, UH, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WERE DOING TO, TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU CLOSE, UH, IN A TIMELY FASHION AND WITHIN THE AMOUNT TIMELINE.
UM, FIGURED SINCE I'M A NEW FACE AND A NEW NAME IN FRONT OF YOU, TAKE A MINUTE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
SO, ANDREA RUSSI OF RHM DEVELOPMENT, UH, REAL ESTATE GROUP.
UM, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE BASED IN LINDHURST, OHIO.
UH, WE'RE A FULL SERVICE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY FOCUSED REAL ESTATE FIRM.
THAT MEANS WE DEVELOP, WE ACQUIRE, WE MANAGE, UH, WE OPERATE, WE LEASE, WE KIND OF HANDLE EVERY ASPECT OF THE PROCESS.
UH, WE'RE A FIRM THAT'S, UH, LARGELY BUILT ON A MANAGEMENT PLATFORM.
UM, WE MANAGE ABOUT 10,000 APARTMENT UNITS, UM, IN 13 STATES.
UH, SOME OF IT, UH, IS PROPERTY.
WE OWN SOME OF IT'S THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT.
UM, AS BRIAN, I THINK INDICATED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF THE, THE, THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS LOOKING, UM, TO, TO SEE COME TO FRUITION HERE.
UH, WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HORIZON LINE, AND THEY REACHED OUT TO US ONCE THEY HAD AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS, WAS NOT, UH, IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTED AND THOUGHT THAT WE COULD MAYBE HELP DELIVER ON THAT.
UM, SO WE'RE EXCITED, UH, WE'RE COMMITTED.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FAST, UM, WITH PLANS.
WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND, AND ENERGY AND RESOURCES INTO ADVANCING PLANS, UM, UH, WITH DESIGNERS, WITH ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE ASPECTS THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, AND IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
UM, AND, AND, UM, WE'RE, AS BRIAN SAID, WE'RE COMMITTED TO PUTTING A DEPOSIT DOWN ON THE LAND TOMORROW.
UM, I CAN, UH, HAPPY TO SHARE ANY MORE INFORMATION YOU WANT ON THE COMPANY, UM, ON THE PROJECT SPECIFICS.
SO, ANDREW, I, I'M SURE THAT, UH, YOU'VE READ THIS PREVIOUS HORIZON LINE AGREEMENT FROM FRONTWARDS TO BACKWARDS.
YOU'RE AWARE OF THE TIMELINE, YOU'RE AWARE THAT, UH, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES, UH, WITH THAT AGREEMENT.
FIRST ON, UM, WE WENT THROUGH SOME CONVERSATIONS AND TO GET US TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
UM, SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY A, A DEPOSIT AND YOUR EAGERNESS TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A MAY 15TH DATE, BUT HOW EAGER IS THIS DEPOSIT, UH, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO PUT DOWN TO GIVE THIS COUNCIL SOME ASSURANCES THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HAVING A SECOND OR THIRD AMENDMENT AND ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 30 45 OR A TWO MONTH, YOU KNOW, EXTENSION, UM, I GUESS MAKE ME FEEL WARM AND FUZZY ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO I'LL BE HERE TOMORROW AGAIN, UM, DRIVING FROM CLEVELAND TO PRESENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, ABOUT THE DETAILS OF OUR PLAN FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS.
UM, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TO SHARE SOME MORE DETAILS TO SHOW YOU THE IMAGES, KIND OF GIVE YOU A FLAVOR FOR THE PROJECT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER HERE.
UM, BUT WE'LL BE CLOSING, YOU KNOW, UM, AFTER THAT.
AND WE, WE, WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS AHEAD TO, UH, CONTINUE TO, TO INVEST IN THIS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE BACK WITH A DETAILED PROPOSAL AFTER WE CLOSE, BUT IN 45 DAYS, WE WILL BE PURCHASING FOR THE VALUE CONTEMPLATING IN THAT AGREEMENT.
SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. SHAW, THE AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY MAKE THEIR DEPOSIT TO ESCROW TOMORROW BY 5:00 PM THANK YOU, MAYOR.
HOW MUCH WAS THE DEPOSIT? 50,000.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, ANITA.
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IS MORE FOR YOU.THIS IS STILL GONNA ALLOW LEANNE, THAT WE CAN USE FOR COMMERCIAL USE SO WE CAN GO OFF FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO TRY TO GET THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THIS WOULD STILL PRESERVE THOSE COMMERCIAL ACRES OUT AT THE FRONT OF THE, UH, ALONG EXECUTIVE AS WELL AS THE HARD CORNER AT BRANT.
THE AGREEMENT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE DEVELOPER UPON CITIES, UH, UH, APPROVAL.
UH, THERE'S A ADDITIONAL, I THINK IT'S A 12 ACRE, UH, AREA THAT'S KIND OF MARKED FOR MIXED USE THAT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THIS.
SO THE DEVELOPER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S INTENDED TO BE HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS, PHASE TWO, BUT IF, UH, PHASE ONE GENERATES THE COMMERCIAL INTEREST, UH, THEY DO HAVE AN ABILITY TO ALSO COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND SUBMIT FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL PLANTS ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THE ENTIRE FOCUS OF, OF THIS PROJECT, UM, IS TO, AGAIN, GENERATE A BASE TO DRIVE, UH, COMMERCIAL USES, UH, IN AND AROUND THIS LOCATION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS, UH, ON WITH THIS HIGH DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ON THE 17.6 ACRES.
UH, IN TALKING WITH YOU REGARDING THIS, YES.
IT'S THE DEVELOPER'S INTENT YES, SIR.
TO COMPLETE A MULTIFAMILY FACE, CORRECT.
THEN MOVE INTO MARKETING PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTING THE COMMERCIAL.
AND, AND THE COMMERCIAL WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE MULTIFAMILY? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, ADJACENT TO OR IN FRONT OF EXECUTIVE, CORRECT.
IN ADDITION TO THE CORNER LOT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND, AND YOU'RE FULLY COMMITTED TO DOING AND TAKING DOWN THE LAND AS NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THAT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
OUR, OUR PLANS ARE BASED ON A, A, A MIXED USE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
SO WHILE WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, TO, TO INITIALLY FOCUS ON IS THIS FIRST PHASE, IT, IT, IT'S ALL AN ENCOMPASSING KIND OF, UH, COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT'S GOT DIRECT CONNECTIVITY TO A RETAIL CORRIDOR OUT ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, WE SEE THAT AS A CRITICAL PIECE TO THE WHOLE THING WORKING.
AND, AND YOU'RE NOT A BROKER, YOU, YOU'RE NOT OBTAINING OUR LAND, TYING IT UP AND THEN TRYING TO BROKERAGE IT OUT TO OTHER DEVELOPERS.
YOU'RE DOING THIS YOURSELF, CORRECT? YEAH, WE'RE THE DEVELOPER AND, AND I THINK BRIAN, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT THE MOST TO ME.
W WOULD YOU AGREE? UH, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO THAT LEAVES US, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? THAT WAS ADOPTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND COMPLETED DISCUSSION.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into An Agreement For Professional Services With W.E. Bilbrey General Contractor, LLC For Improvements To The Huber Heights Community Center In An Amount Not To Exceed $200,000.00. (first reading)]
11 G.ITEM 11 G RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH W E BURY GENERAL CONTRACTOR LLC FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HUB RIGHTS COMMUNITY CENTER IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $200,000 AT THE FIRST READING.
PURSUANT TO THE WISHES OF COUNSEL, THIS PARTICULAR MATTER WOULD ALLOW US TO BEGIN PLANNING TO MAKE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT CONDITION TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, AND IMPROVE THAT AS AN AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, ONCE THE INITIAL DESIGN WORK, UH, IS DONE, UH, AND, UH, SCHEDULING CAN BE PUT IN PLACE, WE WILL THEN COORDINATE, UH, THE START OF THAT WORK AROUND, UH, THE PROGRAMMING THAT I IS CURRENTLY BEING SCHEDULED THROUGH, UH, THE END OF THE SUMMER AT THAT LOCATION.
WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING? YES, IT WAS.
YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO AND NEXT IS ITEM 11
[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Enter Into A Contract With LWC Incorporated For The Design Of A New Senior And Governance Center. (first reading)]
H.ITEM 11 H A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH L W C INCORPORATED FOR THE DESIGN OF A NEW SENIOR AND GOVERNANCE CENTER AT THE FIRST STREET.
PURSUANT TO THE WISHES OF COUNSEL, AS WELL AS THE SENIORS, UH, WHO WERE HERE THIS EVENING, UH, THIS MATTER IS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNSEL, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE DETAILED DESIGN FOR A NEW SENIOR IN GOVERNANCE CENTER.
IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE WORK SESSION THAT THIS ITEM BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING.
MS. WAS, IS THERE A MOTION MARK? MOTION TO APPROVE THERE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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OKAY, TONY.[ A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager To Award A Contract For A Behavioral Wellness Program For The Fire Division. (first reading)]
UP IS ITEM 11 I ITEM 11 I A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR BEHAVIORAL WELLNESS PROGRAM FOR THE FIRE DIVISION AT THE FIRST READING.COUNSEL WAS BRIEFED AT THE WORST SESSION BY CHIEF NISLEY.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR MATTER IS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, DEPARTMENTAL, UH, STAFF WELLNESS, UH, AND IS BEING FUNDED BY A GRANT.
IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL THIS EVENING.
WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION, NANCY? MOVE TO APPROVE MARK.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION TONY? MR. LYONS? YES.
AND MR. OTTO IS STILL OUT OF THE ROOM? HMM.
MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO AND
[ A Resolution Approving The Collective Bargaining Agreement With The Fraternal Order Of Police, Ohio Labor Council, Inc. For The Time Period January 1, 2023 Through December 31, 2025 For The Communications Officers In The Police Division. (first reading)]
NEXT UP IS ITEM 11ITEM 11 J A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING OF YOUR AGREEMENT WITH THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, OHIO LABOR COUNCIL, INCORPORATED FOR THE TIME PERIOD, JANUARY 1ST, 2023 THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2025 FOR COMMUNICATION OFFICERS IN THE POLICE DIVISION AT THE FIRST CRIME.
COUNSEL WAS BRIEFED AT EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, UH, THIS PARTICULAR MATTER PROVIDES FOR A NEW COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DISPATCHERS THROUGH 2025.
IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS ITEM BE ADOPTED THIS EVENING.
IS THERE A MOTION, DON? SOME ANITA.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? TONY? MRS. KITCHEN? YES.
AND THAT MOTION ALSO CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
[ A Resolution Approving The Collective Bargaining Agreement With The Fraternal Order Of Police, Ohio Labor Council, Inc. For The Time Period January 1, 2023 Through December 31, 2025 For The Records Technicians In The Police Division. (first reading)]
K.ITEM 11 K A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, OHIO LABOR COUNCIL, INCORPORATED FOR THE TIME PERIOD.
JANUARY 1ST, 2023 THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2025 FOR THE RECORDS TECHNICIANS AND THE POLICE DIVISION AT THE FIRST FIRST.
UH, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION, COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED ON THIS MATTER IN EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.
IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THIS ITEM THIS EVENING.
WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION? IS THERE A MOTION, ANITA? MOTION TO ADOPT SECOND NANCY.
ANY DISCUSSION? COUNTY MR. WEBB? YES.
[12. City Official Reports And Comments]
NUMBER 12, CITY OFFICIAL REPORTS AND COMMENTS.I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, COUNSEL AND, AND ANYONE LISTENING.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE EVEN, WELL, I GUESS PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS COUNCIL, UM, AT ODDS WITH ONE ANOTHER, UH, HAVE, HAVE SEEN, UM, WE'LL JUST CALL IT DIFFERENT STRATEGIES USED.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, AS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE SEEN THAT HAS, HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY UPSET SOME PEOPLE ON COUNCIL, UH, THEMSELVES, UH, AND ALLUDED TO THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE, UH, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED, AND IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT, I MEAN, IT'D BE REALLY, REALLY HARD TO DO THIS JOB THAT THIS COUNCIL, UH, HAS THE GOAL OF MOVING LEGISLATION FORWARD.
THIS COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAS THE GOAL OF ACCOMPLISHING THINGS FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY.
UH, IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL, THERE MIGHT BE DISAGREEMENTS ON HOW WE GET THERE, BUT IF I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE GOAL OF THIS COUNCIL, UH, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SIT HERE, UM, FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME NOW GOING ON SIX YEARS THAT I HAVE.
AND I THINK WITH, WHEN WE REACH A POINT IN TIME WHERE THROUGH DISCUSSION AND, UH, AND TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ITEMS AND THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO GET DONE, I THINK THE EFFORTS OF COUNCIL AND THEIR DISCUSSIONS MAKE LEGISLATION BETTER.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE GOAL OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN, AND I I THINK IT JUST,
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IT HAS TO BE NOTED AND, AND PUBLICLY NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MRS. KITCHEN AND MR. SHAW AND MR. CAMPBELL FOR WORKING VERY HARD, UH, ON ADVANCING THE LEGISLATION THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS EVENING, UH, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN APPROVED.I THINK WE HAVE HAVE REALLY SHOWN THAT IT IS POSSIBLE WHERE DISAGREEMENTS LIE, THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN COME TOGETHER AND FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY ADVANCE AND MAKE LEGISLATION BETTER FOR ALL 44,000 RESIDENTS.
AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T STATE THAT PUBLICLY, MY APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, UH, TO BRING THESE ITEMS TOGETHER WHERE, UH, A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL FEELS GOOD ENOUGH TO MOVE THESE ITEMS FORWARD.
SO, UH, THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU ALL, AND I'M, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF, OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
UM, FIRST TIER IS GONNA BE HAVING A, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, COULD BENEFIT FROM THROUGH FIRST TIER, BRINGING IN SPEAKERS AND STUFF, ANY COUNCIL CAN ATTEND FIRST TIER, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OF ANY GOALS OR WHATEVER THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR ALL THE, UM, COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF DAYTON, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE RETREAT'S THE LAST WEEK OF APRIL AND I CAN TAKE ANY INFORMATION BACK THEN.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ON COUNCIL? AND LASTLY, I WOULD ALSO, I REMIND EVERYONE THE WORK SESSION FOR NEXT WEEK, UH, DUE TO SOME SCHEDULING CONFLICTS, UH, HAS BEEN NOTICED AND IT IS KNOWN IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT THURSDAY RATHER THAN TUESDAY.
SO THE NEXT WEEK'S WORK SESSION WILL BE THURSDAY RATHER THAN TUESDAY.
UH, IF THAT IS ALL THEN IT IS NOW EIGHT 12, AND I WOULD ADJOURN THIS COUNCIL MEETING.