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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road February 28, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
SHALL CALL THE, EXCUSE ME, I SHALL CALL THE MEETING IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
UH, OPENING REMARKS, UH, FROM THE CHAIR.
I APPRECIATE THE, UH, OUTPOURING OF LOVE AND, UH, ATTENTION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO ME AND MY DAUGHTER, AND I THANK YOU ALL.
ANY OF THE REMARKS, NOT HEARING ANY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND IN, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND, AND RESPOND.
UH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO HOPE YOU GOD.
I ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, UH, WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT TO STEP TO THE PODIUM AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGNING SHEET PROVIDED AND GIVE YOUR NAME.
THE FIRST ITEM ON A NEW BUSINESS IS A REPLAT.
THE APPLICANT, CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REPLAT OF 40.407 ACRES, AND FOUR LOTS OF VARIOUS SIZE TO FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, RP 23 DASH OH FIVE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON C.
SO THIS IS A, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, AT, UH, 71, UH, 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
IT'S, UH, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE LEHMAN FARM.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS PLAIN EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UH, IT'S REALLY USED LARGELY FOR AGRICULTURAL, OCCASIONALLY, UH, PUBLIC USE FOR, UH, CITY GATHERING EVENTS OF WHICH YOU'LL SEE ONE LATER TODAY.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS THE CITY, UH, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REPLAT THIS FROM ONE LARGE PARCEL INTO FOUR, UH, FOUR LOTS WITH VARIOUS, UH, ACREAGES TO FACILITATE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE.
WE HAVE A, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, AGREEMENT WITH A DEVELOPER, UH, TO PURCHASE AND TO TAKE DOWN THESE LOTS AT VARIOUS TIMES, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE RE PLATTING THEM, UM, FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UM, SO I WOULD CONSIDER THIS THE INITIAL STEP IN THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
WHAT'S GOING TO COME FORWARD AFTER THIS WILL BE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, UM, REZONING PROPOSAL.
WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION YET FROM THE DEVELOPERS.
THIS INITIAL REPLAT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM, UM, TO, TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.
UH, THESE ARE THE FOUR PARCELS.
SO THE INTENDED USE, UH, WOULD BE, UH, COMMERCIAL LOTS, UH, ON THE FRONTAGE OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, AND THEN RESIDENTIAL, UH, IN THE REAR.
UH, AND, AND BASICALLY THE TAKE DOWN SCHEDULE, UH, STARTING IN THE UPPER LEFT QUADRANT IS LOT ONE.
IT'LL GO LOT ONE, LOT TWO, LOT THREE, LOT FOUR.
UM, THAT IS THE, THE TAKE DOWN SCHEDULE AS IS CURRENTLY, UM, UH, UNDER CONTRACT.
SO THE PROPOSED REPLAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AT THE SUBDIVISION AND THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
UM, AS I SAID, THERE WILL BE FORTHCOMING A REZONING AND A BASIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD, SHOULD JUST CONSIDER THIS A, UH, AN INTERIM STEP.
UH, AS PART OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, WE ARE THE APPLICANT.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, OF THE REPLAT AS SUBMITTED ON THE RECORD PLAN DATED FEBRUARY 9TH, 2023.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST TO MR. JEFFERSON, I'M JUST, I'M ASSUMING THE, WHERE THE FLAG KIND OF COMES OUT ON NUMBER ONE, THAT'S GONNA LINE UP WITH THE MEYER LIGHT.
IS THAT WHERE THAT'S AT? IT IS, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, SO THAT'S RIGHT NOW ROUGHLY A HUNDRED FEET WIDE.
I THINK IT WILL END UP BEING WIDER, UM, WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO, WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL, UM, SITE PLAN AND THE, AND THE ACTUAL REAL, UM, PLAT.
UM, BUT, BUT THIS GETS THEM WHAT THEY NEED AT THE MOMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
ON THE PLAT, JUST TO THE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE EAST HERE.
IS THAT NUMBER GOING TO CHANGE AS A RESULT OF THE LOT NUMBERS CHANGING HERE? UM, N NO, IT WON'T.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANY CONFUSION ON YEAH, NO NUMBERS THAT IT WON'T, ALL OF THESE NUMBERS
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WILL CHANGE AT THE END OF THE DAY.THIS IS, YEAH, JUST TEMPORARY.
UH, WE COULDN'T DO THIS AS A NI AS A MINOR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN PLATTED, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH THE RECORD PLAN PROCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I'M HERE NOW.
ONE WE'LL CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT CITY HUBER HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL OF A REPLAT OF 40.407 ACRES INTO FOUR LOTS TO FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, CASE RP 23 DASH ZERO FIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 22ND, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS? UH, SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UH, NEXT ITEM, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, IS REQUESTING ADOPTION OF THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ZONING CASE 23 6, MR. CRELL.
OKAY, LET ME GET SITUATED HERE.
SO, YES, THIS IS THE, UH, SO WE STARTED, UM, UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE SPRING OF, UH, OF LAST YEAR.
UH, AND SO WE ARE NOW HERE WITH, UH, WITH THE INITIAL, UM, PROBABLY THE THIRD VERSION, UM, WHICH WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU FOR THIS BOARD'S, UH, CONSIDERATION.
SO, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES, BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE PICTURES.
UH, SO I DON'T THINK IT WILL, UH, BUT FEEL FREE TO STOP ANY TIME AND ASK QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT ANY OF THE, UH, INITIATIVES, THE, THE THEORIES BEHIND WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, HOW WE GOT THE LOGIC, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO, AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS THAT WERE UNDERTAKEN TO GET US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THE KEY THEMES, GOALS, AND IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AS WELL AS THE NEXT STEPS.
OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2011, AS I MENTIONED.
WE BEGAN UPDATING, UH, THE PLAN IN THE SPRING OF 2022.
WE ENGAGED A CONSULTING, UH, FIRM CALLED YARD AND COMPANY OUTTA CINCINNATI.
UH, THEY ALSO HAD A SUB CONSULTANT CALLED SB FREEMAN, UH, OUTTA CHICAGO, TO ASSIST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN.
SO, FOR THOSE LISTENING OR WATCHING, UM, WHAT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IT IS THE STATEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY'S GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES.
IT HELPS GUIDE THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENTS OVER, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THAT THEY ARE COMPREHENSIVE, MEANING THEY COVER THE ENTIRE JURISDICTION, UH, NOT JUST THE SMALL AREA OR A PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
THIS COVERS THE ENTIRE, UH, CITY.
SO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUMMARIZES THOSE HIGH LEVEL, THOSE 30,000 FOOT, UH, POLICIES, GOALS, AND OBJECTIVES, AS OPPOSED TO SAY THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT GETS TO ON THE GROUND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF HOW THINGS ARE BUILT, UH, REGULATES THE DESIGN, AND THEN THE USES OF INDIVIDUAL PARCELS.
SO WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HIGH LEVEL POLICIES, UH, AND, AND THE, THE, THE GOALS, UH, AND THE DIRECTION THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO GO.
THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, UH, IMPACT THE, UH, THE LEGISLATION SUCH AS THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE ZONING CODE, WHAT WE SPEND MONEY ON, OUR BONDS ON, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO REALLY, MOST EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE CITY ORGANIZATION, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOUCHES IN SOME FORM OF FASHION.
UH, AND LASTLY, THEY'RE LONG RANGE.
UH, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TYPICALLY LOOKS OUT, LOOKS FORWARD 15 TO 20 YEARS.
UM, THEY ARE OFTEN REFRESHED OR REVIEWED EVERY FIVE OR 10, DEPENDING ON HOW FAST A COMMUNITY IS GROWING.
UH, IF A COMMUNITY IS GROWING QUICKLY, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REVIEWED AT A, AS A, AT A SHORT, SHORTER INTERVAL.
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GROWING, THEN THAT SAME PLAN CAN LAST 20 YEARS.IT JUST, EACH COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
SO WHY, UH, ARE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IMPORTANT? UM, SO DEVELOPING THE PLAN IS ONE OF THE, UH, AVENUES THAT RESIDENTS, UH, HAVE TO HELP SET THE GOALS, UH, AND THE POLICIES THAT GUIDE THE COMMUNITY'S, UM, PRIORITIES.
SO THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE PLAN IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE PLAN ITSELF.
UH, AS I SAID, THE PLAN IDENTIFIES, DIVISION, HELPS SHAPE THOSE LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENTS OF, UH, WELL DESIGNED NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WE LOOK AT LAND, USES, PARKS, STREETS, OPEN SPACE, THE WHOLE, WHOLE GAMUT.
UM, AND THEN IT OUTLINES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PLAN AND HOW SPECIFIC IT IS, A SERIES OF STEPS AND ACTIONS THAT BOTH THE CITY AND ITS PARTNERS UNDERTAKE, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THAT, THAT VISION THAT WAS, UH, OUTLINED IN THE PLAN.
SO WE STARTED THE PROCESS BY PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN.
UM, SO THE PLAN OF A PLAN, UH, WHICH INCLUDED, UH, BRANDING, UH, AND, AND, AND CREATING THE, THE BRAND OF THE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE, OF WHICH THERE ARE, UH, MEMBERS HERE.
UH, WE DID A NUMBER OF SURVEYS BOTH ONLINE, OFFLINE.
WE HAD, UH, INTERACTIVE MAPPING, UM, SURVEY THAT WAS AVAILABLE.
UH, WE HAD SOME MULTIMEDIA PRESENTATIONS, UH, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF PUBLIC EVENTS.
SO WE HAD, UH, POPUP ACTIVITIES AT AMATIC.
WE WERE AT THE FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, WE DID, WE DID A BIG EVENT AT THE LEHMAN, UH, BARN, UM, CALLED IGNITE THE HEIGHTS.
UM, THIS WAS, I'LL SHOW YOU A, A MOVIE THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE CONSULTANT TEAM, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT EVENT.
SO THOSE BALLOONS AT THE END WERE ONE OF THE WAYS THAT, UH, THAT THE ATTENDEES, UM, SORT OF VOTED ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT WERE THE, THE, THE KEY INITIATIVES.
SO, UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS IN TOTAL, UM, WE HAD A BROAD REACH, UM, AND FRANKLY, ONE OF THE BETTER OUTREACH EFFORTS, UH, IN MY, UH, MY TIME AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER.
UM, SO WE HAD ABOUT 1400 PEOPLE, UH, INITIATE AND TAKE THE SURVEYS.
UH, 200 PEOPLE WERE AT THAT IGNITE THE HEIGHTS, UH, EVENT.
MANY OF YOU WERE THERE AS WELL.
UM, WE HAD OVER 4,800 DIRECT ENGAGEMENTS.
SO THAT WAS EITHER INDIVIDUALS WHO TOOK SURVEYS, WE TALKED TO, UM, THEY DID THE, THE ONLINE MAPPING, OR THEY INTERACTED WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
UM, AND THEN THINKING A LITTLE BIT MORE BROADLY, WE ACTUALLY REACHED, UM, OVER 54,000 PEOPLE THROUGH THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? SO THERE ARE ANALYTICS BEHIND, UM, THERE'S AN ANALYTICS TOOL CALLED HOOTSUITE THAT WE SUBSCRIBE TO THAT, UM, BASICALLY TRACKS WHAT OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT, UM, ANALYTICS ARE.
SO IT, IT TALLIES HOW OFTEN PEOPLE ARE INTERACTING, EITHER BY SHARING OR LIKING OR LOOKING AT OUR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
IT ALSO THEN TRACKS WHO SEES IT.
SO EVEN IF YOU'RE SCROLLING THROUGH, IT COUNTS THE NUMBER OF EYEBALLS THAT, THAT SEE THAT PARTICULAR PAGE.
AND SO THAT REACH ISN'T NECESSARILY PEOPLE WHO INTERACTED, BUT THEY AT LEAST SAW THE POST, UH, AS, AS THEY WERE MOVING
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THROUGH EITHER ON THEIR PHONE, THEIR TABLET, ON OR ON THEIR, UM, ON THEIR COMPUTER.SO THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY SOMEONE THERE READING EACH POST THAT WAS ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
THAT'S MORE IN THE 4,800 SIDE.
AND I, AND I WILL SAY THAT I THINK PROBABLY THAT EVENT THAT YOU HAD WAS ONE OF THE BEST THAT THE CITY HAS HAD IN A LONG, LONG TIME.
UH, IT WAS VERY WELL PLANNED, AND, UH, THE WAY THAT THEY DID THE COUNTING OF THE BALLOONS AND HOW YOU COULD VOTE.
NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED.
UM, EVERYBODY WAS INTERACTING.
I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED THE SIZE OF OUR CITY.
I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD SO MANY MORE PEOPLE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE WERE ACTUALLY ENGAGED BECAUSE IT WAS SO WELL PLANNED.
YEAH, IT, THERE WAS HIGH, HIGH ENGAGEMENT, ABSOLUTELY
SO, UH, OUT OF ALL OF THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UM, EFFORTS FROM THE SURVEYS, THE MAPPING, THE, THE IN-PERSON EVENTS, THERE WERE FOUR AREAS OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.
UM, THE FIRST WAS, UH, ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.
SO BUILDING, UH, LOCAL WALK, BUILDING LOCAL, UH, FOSTERING WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AND THEN REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.
UH, THE SECOND WAS FINDING OUR CENTERS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWN, BUT WE HAVE NODES OF ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE, THE CITY THAT CAN BE BUILT UPON.
AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PLAN, UH, MANIFESTS ITSELF INTO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AREAS AND THOSE CENTERS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE PLAN.
THE THIRD OPPORTUNITY WAS REACHING BACK TO OUR PAST AND HELPING IT GUIDE, GUIDE THE FUTURE.
AND THEN LASTLY, OPERATIONALIZING THE GROWTH STRATEGY.
AND THAT'S REALLY KIND OF AN INSIDE BASEBALL.
UM, THAT IS HOW THE CITY ORGANIZATION, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE VOLUNTEERS AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS LIKE YOURSELVES, HOW WE OPERATIONALIZE THIS PLAN MOVING FORWARD TO, UM, IMPLEMENT THE GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS DURING THE, UH, IGNITE THE HEIGHTS EVENT, UH, PEOPLE WERE ASKED TO VOTE, UH, ON THESE, THESE VARIOUS INITIATIVES ON WHAT THEY FELT WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT.
SO UNDER THE OPPORTUNITY OF BUILD LOCAL WALKABILITY AND THEN REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY, UM, EXPANDING THE BIKE TRAIL AND THE, AND THE WALKING PATH NETWORKS WAS BY FAR THE HIGHEST BOAT TALLY, UM, FOLLOWED BY, UM, MAKING SURE THAT LEISURE EMPLOYMENT, UH, THAT ABILITY, UH, IS THERE TO MEET OUR, OUR DAILY NEEDS CLOSE TO HOME.
AND ONE OF THE THEMES THAT THAT EMERGED IS PEOPLE WANTING TO BE CLOSER TO THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY ENGAGE WITH, UH, AND THE JOBS THAT THEY HOLD.
SO, AND REALLY IS BRINGING THAT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO, TO HOME.
UH, AS FAR AS THE CONNECTING OUR HISTORY TO OUR FUTURE, THIS IS, UM, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST OUTCOME HERE WAS FOCUSING ON, UH, AND BROADENING OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES IN, IN THE TOOLKIT.
THIS WHOLE PLAN, IN A SENSE, IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
UM, THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS TO CREATE, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE, UH, BOTH RESIDENTS, EMPLOYERS, AND EMPLOYEES, UH, IN CREATING THAT, THAT AURA OR THE AMENITIES THAT ATTRACT TALENT.
THIS IS A TALENT RE, UH, ATTRACTION TOOL EFFECTIVELY.
UM, THE, WE WERE, THE, THE, THE TEAM PUT TOGETHER, UM, THE VARIOUS CENTERS.
AND, AND THE QUESTION WAS A ASKED WHAT TYPE OF CENTER SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS? THE LIVE LOCAL CENTER, UH, ROSE ABOVE.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE, UH, THE, THE AREA AROUND THE FORMER MARION MEADOW SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S BEING REDEVELOPED NOW AT THE LIBRARY.
UH, YOU RECENTLY APPROVED THE HOMESTEAD, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, SO THAT THAT REDEVELOPMENT IS IN THE WORKS.
IT'S ALSO GUIDED BY THE BRANT PIKE REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
SECONDLY, IN SECOND PLACE IS THE PLAY AREA, WHICH, UH, I'LL, I'LL GET TO.
AND THEN LASTLY WAS OPERATIONALIZE THE GROWTH STRATEGY.
THE HIGHEST TALLY, UH, VOTE HERE WAS BROADEN THE INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UM, AND THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE, ON THE PLANNING SIDE OR THE, OR THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, WHICH IS TO GET AWAY FROM OUR RELIANCE ON PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, UH, MOVE TO MORE
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SMALL AREA PLANNING, AND HAVE DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS INVOLVED IN THOSE AREAS.AND SO THAT WE'RE NOT HASHING OUT THE PLANNING THE DESIGN UP HERE, BUT BEFORE IT GETS TO YOU, WE'VE ALREADY HAD ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WITH STAFF, AND WITH RESIDENTS.
SO WE START TO PUSH THAT, THAT DESIGN AND THAT THAT INTERACTION, UM, UH, INTENTIONALLY AT A LOWER LEVEL, THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, OUTCOMES THAT IS, UH, IS, UM, RECOMMENDED IN THIS PLAN.
QUESTIONS SO FAR, ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS? NO.
THERE, THERE, THERE ARE REALLY TWO SORT OF MAIN THEMES WITHIN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ONE IS THE MOBI MIL MOBILITY PLAN, AND THE SECOND IS THE IDEA OF MOVING TOWARDS, UH, THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
SO UNDER THE MOBILITY PLAN, THE GOALS OF OBJECTIVES ARE TO SUPPORT SOME MULTIMODAL ACCESS.
LET ME STEP BACK HERE FOR THE WHY.
UM, WHEN YOU READ THE PLAN, AND I'M REALLY SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, UH, IN THE, IN THE PLAN.
AND, AND SO THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WE DID IN THE RESEARCH, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENTS SPEND AS MUCH ON TRANSPORTATION AS THEY DO ON HOUSING.
UH, AND THE, THE SHARE OF WALLET GOING TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION IS GROWING FASTER THAN IT IS FOR HOUSING.
SO ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS OF THIS, OR ONE OF THE GOALS I SHOULD SAY, OF THE MOBILITY PLAN, IS HOW DO WE ENABLE PEOPLE TO, UH, GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY RELY SO HEAVILY ON AN AUTOMOBILE? HOW DO WE BRING THINGS CLOSER TO THEM SO THAT WE CAN LOWER THOSE TRANSPORTATION COSTS, THAT THEN DISPOSAL INCOME CAN BE SPENT ON OTHER THINGS? UM, SO THAT, THAT KIND OF IS THE THEME COST OF TRANSPORTATION AND CONGESTION.
HOW DO WE LOWER BOTH OF THEM? UH, SO THE, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIONS ARE, UH, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ON THE MOBILITY SIDE ARE TO SUPPORT MULTIMODAL ACCESS, BETTER DISTRIBUTE TRAFFIC BY MODE, BY ROUTE, AND BY TIME OF DAY.
SO RATHER THAN, THAN HAVING A STREET NETWORK THAT FLOWS EVERYBODY ONTO TWO STREETS AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY, AND THEN WE WONDER WHY WE HAVE TRAFFIC, UH, BUILD A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF A DISTRIBUTIVE NETWORK TO THAT, THAT HAS CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS TO.
SO WE'RE NOT LOADING OUR TWO PRIMARY COLLECTORS, UH, AT THE SA, OUR TWO PRI UL ARTERIALS AT THE SAME TIME OF DAY.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GENERATE TRAFFIC AT PREDICTABLE TIME PERIODS, APARTMENTS, THE, WHEN THE TRAFFIC GENERATION IS SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT.
SAME WAY WITH COMMERCIAL OFFICE USES, PRE COVID OFFICE, UH, USES, WERE PRETTY PREDICTABLE.
THEY LEFT, THEY GOT THERE BETWEEN SEVEN 30 AND EIGHT 30.
THEY LEFT BETWEEN FOUR 30 AND FIVE 30.
UH, RETAIL, IT'S SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO BALANCING THOSE USES, UM, IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS SO THAT WE CAN HELP BALANCE OUT THAT, THAT TRAFFIC, UH, DISTRIBUTION.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT? IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH TRYING TO DO EVERY TIME A NEW SOMETHING COMES IN HERE, BUT I, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT HOW DO YOU DO IT? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE NEED TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT.
UM, AND, AND I'LL USE A COUPLE EXAMPLES.
SO WHEN, UH, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD LOOKING AT SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE, WERE APPROVED, YOU COULD TELL THAT THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS BUILT 10 YEARS AGO HAD A SUB STREET THAT WAS INTENDED TO CONNECT TO THE NEXT SUBDIVISION.
WELL, INSTEAD OF CONNECTING WHAT WE DID FOR WHATEVER REASON, IS WE CALLED A SACK THAT OTHER STREET.
SO IT NEVER MADE THAT CONNECTION.
SO WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY, IN SOME CASES, OR MAYBE UNINTENTIONALLY, UH, BROKEN UP THAT CONNECTIVITY.
WHEREAS HAD WE CONNECTED THAT STUB STREETE LIKE IT WAS INTENDED TO DO, WE WOULD'VE HAD A, A BETTER DISTRIBUTIVE STREET NETWORK RATHER THAN NOW FUNNELING, UH, INTO SPECIFIC POINTS AT THE SPECIFIC TIME.
THE SECOND WAY IS LOOKING AT, UM, THE LAND USES.
SO THERE IS A, THERE'S A, THE, IT MANUALLY, THE INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING MANUAL HAS AN ENTIRE, I MEAN, HAS AN ENTIRE SPREADSHEET AND RESEARCH DONE ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF, UM, WHAT TYPE OF USE GENERATES HOW MUCH TRAFFIC AND AT WHAT PERIOD OF THE DAY.
SO WE CAN, AND, AND THAT'S BASED ON OBSERVATIONS BOTH IN THE US AND AROUND THE WORLD.
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IT'S UPDATED EVERY YEAR.UH, AND SO PART OF THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOADING UP, UM, AN AREA WHERE THE SAME USES DUMP THE SAME, DUMP AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BALANCING THAT OUT.
SO INTENTIONALITY IS HOW WE DO IT, AND WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHTFUL.
UM, WE ARE AT THAT POINT AS A CITY, WE'RE NO LONGER A SLEEPY BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ARE A REGIONAL DESTINATION, AND SO WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
I, I, I GUESS THAT, UH, MY REAL QUESTION IS, YOU ARE GOING TO HELP US TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED
UH, WHENEVER, ANYTIME THAT WE DISCUSS ANYTHING NEW COMING INTO THE CITY, WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THAT, AND, AND YET, APPARENTLY WE'VE FAILED, OR THIS WOULDN'T COME UP AS, AS, UH, BEING SO IMPORTANT.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE FAILED.
I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT WE HAVE GROWN QUICKLY, THAT THE ROAD NETWORK HASN'T KEPT UP PACE WITH, UM, WITH HOW QUICKLY WE'VE DEVELOPED.
UM, WE, WE HAVE BOTH THE BLESSING AND THE CURSE OF BEING RIGHT OFF OF 70.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOCATIONAL ADVANTAGES OF THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A LO LOT OF LOCATIONAL CHALLENGES WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT, THAT INHERENTLY GENERATES.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT AS FAR AS STREET CONNECTIVITY, IT WILL TAKE KIND OF MAYBE A SHIFT IN MINDSET OF NOT HAVING EVERY DEVELOPMENT BEING NOTHING BUT CALLED A SAX WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
UM, BUT, BUT THINKING ABOUT MORE OF A, A CONNECTED ROADWAY.
AND SO PART THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN GROWING FOR 40 PLUS YEARS, RIGHT? AND WE WILL MAKE THESE CHANGES INCREMENTALLY AS EACH SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT COMES FORWARD, AS WE REBUILD STREETS SUCH AS BRANT AND TAYLORSVILLE AND, UH, AND OLD TROY PIKE.
AS WE MAKE THOSE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REPLACE INFRASTRUCTURE EVERY SO OFTEN, THAT'S WHEN THE THIS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
BECAUSE, UM, I, I WAS WONDERING THAT VERY THING, AND I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF THE INTENT OF THIS PLAN IS TO GO IN AND CHANGE WHAT'S THERE NOW, OR ONLY LOOK TO ANYTHING NEW THAT'S COMING IN, AND I, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
THAT AS WE BUILD IT, REBUILD THE OLD STREETS, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT ALSO, THE NEW, THIS SETS THE STAGE AND THE EXPECTATIONS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
IT ALSO SETS THE STAGE AND THE EXP EXPECTATIONS FOR HOW WE REDEVELOP.
AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE SOUTHERN PART OF, OF TOWN, WHICH IS THE OLDEST, WHICH IS, HAS THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SEE THE MOST REINVESTMENT.
THAT'S WHERE WE START TO MAKE THESE, THESE, THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES.
THE SHOPPING CENTERS, THE WAY THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN THE FIFTIES ON, ON BRANT PIKE AND AND ON OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK THAT TH THOSE LAYOUTS, THE DESIGN AND CREATE THO THAT SENSE OF PLACE OF WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE, WHERE THEY WANT TO GATHER, AND, UH, WHERE THEY WANT TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, SO THE OTHER, UH, FEW MORE OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IS TO ENCOURAGE WALKABLE DENSITY SO THAT WE ARE, WE CAN PROVIDE PEOPLE THE ALTERNATIVE IF THEY WANT TO WALK.
UM, ENCOURAGE HU, HUMAN-CENTERED INNOVATION, LOWER HOUSEHOLD, UH, ANNUAL TRANSPORTATION COSTS, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, AND THEN SET A NEW STANDARD FOR, UH, MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE BUS LINES.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE AFTERTHOUGHTS, UM, IN HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE DESIGNED AND LAID OUT.
THIS ARGUES THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IS, UM, FOCUSING ON TALENT ATTRACTION AND RETENTION, WHICH I HAD MENTIONED.
ENCOURAGE WALKABLE DENSITY, UM, ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE CLOSER TO JOBS IN THE AMENITIES, EXPAND HOUSING OPTIONS, AND THEN FOCUS GROWTH IN, IN SPECIFIC CLUSTERS.
ON THE, THE MULTIMODAL AND WALKABLE CONNECTIVITY STUFF WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
DOES THIS OPEN DOOR FOR US TO DISCUSS CHANGING OUR SIDEWALK CODE TO A WIDER, MORE WIDELY ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD? IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.
AND I'VE GOT 17 SLIDES TO, TO BANG THAT HOME
NOT SOMETHING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
UM, SO SOME OF THE KEY INITIATIVES ON THE MOBILITY PLAN, UM, THE FIRST IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LOOP.
UH, AND IT'S A 14 AND A HALF MILE, UH, PEDESTRIAN BIKE,
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UM, FACILITY OR, OR PATH, UM, THAT BEGINS TO LINK ALL OF HUBER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE REGIONAL TRAIL THAT GOES ALONG, UM, THE MIAMI RIVER ON THE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE.UH, SO THIS WOULD AGAIN, BE INCREMENTALLY, UM, CONSTRUCTED.
WE ARE STARTING TO, OR GETTING READY TO, TO WORK ON THE CHAMBERSBURG.
UM, PART OF THIS, UH, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE GO ALONG CHAMBERSBURG WITH THE BIKE PATH, UM, GO UP BRANCH CONNECT, UM, CARRIAGE HILL, METRO PARK UP, UM, UH, CARRIAGE TRAIL PARKWAY THAT HAS A WIDE BIKE BIKEWAY SORT OF A, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY BUILT CONNECT THAT EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO TAYLORSVILLE, UH, METRO PARK.
UH, AND THEN THAT GETS YOU TO THE, SO THE REGIONAL BIKEWAY BOTH, UH, SORT OF NORTH OF 70, AND THEN MAKING THE CONNECTIONS FROM CHAMBERSBURG, UH, WEST, UH, TO BY MIAMI VILLAS TO THE, THE EXISTING BIKE PATH THERE.
ONCE YOU HIT THAT, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE, UH, 290 MILE REGIONAL BIKE TRAIL.
UM, AND, AND CITIES ALL OVER THE REGION HAVE USED THIS AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.
YELLOW SPRINGS PROBABLY DOES THE BEST AS FAR AS LEVERAGING, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ON THE BIKE TRAIL.
DAYTON MIAMISBURG, WEST CARROLLTON, HAMILTON, UH, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GO, I BELIEVE, FROM, FROM TROY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CINCINNATI, UM, BOTH ON THE, ON THE BIKE TRAIL.
AND, UH, IF YOU'RE NOT AFRAID TO CANOE UNDER THE DAMS, YOU CAN GO PRETTY MUCH DOWN TO THE OHIO RIVER WITH ONLY HAVING TO PORT ONE OR TWO TIMES FROM THE, FROM THE LOW DAMS. UM, SO THEY GO BOTH THE GREEN, THE BLUE TRAIL, THE WATERWAYS, AND, AND THE, THE GREEN TRAIL.
THE, THE BIKEWAYS ARE, ARE INTEGRAL PIECE HERE.
THE SECOND INITIATIVE, AND THIS IS, THIS I WOULD ARGUE, IS A, UM, A PHILOSOPHY AND A SHIFT IN PHILOSOPHY.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SHIFT IN PHILOSOPHY FROM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S A SHIFT IN PHILOSOPHY, PHILOSOPHY FROM WHAT OUR CODE SAYS.
AND THAT'S THE IDEA THAT STREETS ARE FOR EVERYONE.
UM, STREETS MAKE UP THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF PUBLIC SPACE IN ANY CITY, UH, AND REALLY AN EFFECTIVE STREET NETWORK IS CRITICAL FOR ACCOMMODATING THAT GROWTH AND, AND SAFE TRAVEL BY EVERYBODY, INCLUDING PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, AND VEHICLES.
UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT THE CITY EMBRACE THE, UH, THE VISION ZERO, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS VISION ZERO IS, UM, IS, IS THE INITIATIVE TO ELIMINATE, UM, ROADWAY DESKS, BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE.
AND THAT'S LARGELY, UH, ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH DESIGN.
AND THEN SECONDLY, OR LASTLY, FOCUSING ON DEVELOPING COMPLETE STREETS.
SO THE STREET DESIGN FOR VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS, BUS TRAVELERS, BICYCLISTS, AND THIS DIRECTLY, MR. JEFFRIES, TO YOUR POINT, TRANSLATES INTO HOW WE CHANGE OUR AND HOW WE SHOULD CHANGE OUR SUBDIVISION, UH, REGULATIONS IN OUR, UM, STREET DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THE, THE OVERALL, UM, THOROUGHFARE PLAN REMAINS LARGELY, UM, LARGELY UNCHANGED.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE NEW THOROUGHFARE PLAN, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, THERE ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN THE ADVOCACY FOR INCREASING CONNECTIVITY, WHICH DOES LEAD TO LESS TRAFFIC, CONDE, UH, CONGESTION, UPDATING OUR STREET DESIGNS.
UH, AND THEN MS. BARGO, TO YOUR POINT, IMPLEMENTING THIS THROUGH INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS AS WE REBUILD OUR, OUR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I'M GONNA BUST THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
THESE ARE THE, THE STREET SECTION, UM, SUGGESTIONS, UH, BOTH, AND, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR, UH, AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THE BIGGEST CHANGE FROM WHAT OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ARE TODAY TO WHAT IS BEING ADVOCATED FOR, UH, TO MS. JEFFRIES, YOUR POINT IS WIDER SIDEWALKS.
UH, IN OUR ARTERIAL, OUR, OUR, OUR HIGHEST DENSITY BY VOLUME STREETS, OUR, OUR ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR, UH, WE ONLY REQUIRE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
UM, WHAT THIS IS ADVOCATING FOR IS A, UH, THE NEW STANDARDS SHOULD BE A SHARED PATH TRAIL, WHICH IS, UH, 10 FEET.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO DO A SEPARATED, UM, TRAIL, WHICH IS
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THE SEPARATED PATHWAY, WHICH IS THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK AND AN EIGHT FOOT, UM, BIKE TRAIL IF YOU'VE GOT THE RIGHT OF WAY.WE ALWAYS DON'T HAVE 120 FEET, UM, USUAL, OUR STANDARD ARTERIAL RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH IS 90, 90 FEET.
SO THE IMAGE TO THE LEFT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BECOME KIND OF THE NEW STANDARD, UH, A 10 FOOT SHARED PATHWAY ALONG, UM, ARTERIALS.
UH, THE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT ROADS ARE GONNA BE DESIGNED TO A SLIGHTLY LOWER, UM, SPEED LIMIT.
UM, WE KNOW THAT EVERYBODY, I SHOULD SAY IT THIS WAY, WE KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE DRIVE ABOVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.
UM, BUT, UH, CITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY HAVE DESIGNED, UM, 35 MILE HOUR POSTED SPEED ROADS TO THE STANDARD OF 50 OR A 60 MILE AN HOUR, UH, ROADWAY.
SO THE IDEA IS SHRINK THE ROADWAY A LITTLE BIT TO HELP PEOPLE SLOW DOWN, DO A BETTER JOB OF PROTECTING THE PEDESTRIANS, UH, FROM, UM, THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, UH, AND CREATE THAT COMPLETE STREET ENVIRONMENT.
AARON, YES, JUST REAL QUICK ON THE AUGMENTED STANDARDS, IS, IS THERE A GOAL TO HAVE ANY OF THAT INVOLVED IN THESE ARTERIAL ROADS? SO, I THINK ONLY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, UM, SO THERE'S A BUS ROUTE THAT GOES DOWN, BOTH OLD TROY PIKE AND, AND BRANT PIKE.
UM, PROBABLY, UH, MORE TRAVELED ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, SO WHERE IT MAKES SENSE IN WHERE WE HAVE THE ROOM TO HAVE, IT WOULD BE THE AUGMENTED, UM, UH, STANDARD WHERE WE'RE DOING NEW DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE WE CAN, UH, WHERE WE CAN REQUIRE THAT 120 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE THAT FROM DEVELOPERS WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS 90 FEET.
IN SOME INSTANCES, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND ACQUIRE THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IN MOST CASES IT PROBABLY DOESN'T.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF, IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
BUT THIS, THE IDEA HERE IS THAT TO, FOR INDIVIDUALS AND DEVELOPERS TO VISUALIZE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS, UH, AS, AS THE DESIGN GOT IT.
AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE SORT OF LISTED OFF HERE TO THE SIDE, DOES WHAT'S RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT? AND I READ IN THE REPORT THERE'S A DESIRE TO SORT OF MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE PARKING SPACE STANDARDS AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
IS IS, IS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT? YEAH.
SO WHEN WE PROVIDE MORE ON STREET PARKING, WE CAN REDUCE THE, UM, NEEDED AMOUNT OF OFF-STREET PARKING.
UH, THERE'S KIND OF A, A BALANCE THERE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AREAS WHERE WE PROVIDE ON STREET PARKING.
UM, IF, IF WE WERE TO GO TO MORE OF A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN, THEN ON STREET PARKING IS EASIER TO FACILITATE THAN ON KLINE STREETS OR KIND OF OUR SHOPPING CENTERS THAT HAVE LIKE A BOULEVARD GOING IN THAT THEN FEED INTO PARKING LOTS.
THE, THE ON STREET PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD DOESN'T WORK.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S THINKING ABOUT THIS AS WE'RE LAYING OUT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, ALL ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND PART OF THIS THEN FEEDS INTO THE SMALL AREA PLANS THAT THE PLAN IS RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT WE UNDERTAKE AS WELL.
SO TO BE, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE WHEN SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENT COME IN AND THEY'RE PUSHING FOR THE CUL-DE-SACS OR SKINNY EVERYWHERE, THEY CAN SQUEEZE IN EVERYTHING THEY CAN.
IS THIS LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR US THAT AT THE INITIAL STAGES, BEFORE IT EVER EVEN GETS TO US, THAT THIS IS THE EXPECTED STANDARD IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME AND DO BUSINESS? YEAH, I WOULD ARGUE IT.
YEAH, THIS BETTER ARTICULATES BOTH GRAPHICALLY, UH, AND IN THE TEXT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS.
ERIN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, AND IT KIND OF RELATES A LITTLE BIT TO TRAFFIC, BUT WITH THE GROWING NEED, THE GROWING WANT OF GOLF CARTS IN COMMUNITIES MM-HMM.
HOW DOES THIS PLAN WORK TOWARDS THE GROWING WANT? UH, THE GOLF CART? YEAH.
THERE'S A STATEMENT IN THE PLAN, MORE ON THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, PATTERN SIDE THAT WE SHOULD BE, UM, THINKING ABOUT AND OPEN AND RECEPTIVE TO OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.
GOLF CART IS NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, BUT SCOOTERS AND MICRO MOBILITY IS, UM, I WOULD THROW GOLF
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CARTS INTO THAT SAME MIX AS A KIND OF THE, THE NON-TRADITIONAL, UM, UM, ELEMENT MM-HMM.THE OTHER THING, THE THING ABOUT THE OTHER REASON I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR WIDER SIDEWALKS IS, IS WE AGE MORE AS WE AGE.
DO YOU HAVE A TRICK TO THAT? CAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW IT.
UM, THE, UH, THE, THE AFFORDABILITY IN THE, OF THE AVAILABILITY OF, UM, MOBILITY DEVICES FOR INDIVIDUALS, UH, IS GROWING AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
UH, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A SCOOTER, UH, AND SOMEBODY WALKING SIDE BY SIDE ON A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK.
SAME WAY WITH, UH, IF YOU ARE PUSHING A STROLLER AND WALKING TWO BY TWO, UH, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT ON A FOUR FOOT RESIDENTIAL SIDEWALK.
THIS IS THE DESIGN FOR THE, UH, THE MAJOR COLLECTOR.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
STANDARDS ARE, ARE EXACTLY WHAT OURS ARE TODAY.
UH, BUT THIS IS EMPHASIZING, UH, A LARGER, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATH.
UM, STREET, STREET, STREET, TREE, TREELINE, STREETS, UM, THE MINOR COLLECTOR, UH, AND THEN THE LOCAL.
UM, SO THE, OUR CURRENT STANDARD ON A LOCAL ROAD, UH, IS A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK.
THIS ADVOCATES FOR FIVE FEET, UH, ALONG WITH A, UM, I BELIEVE A SIX FOOT OR A FIVE FOOT TREE LAWN.
UH, OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS STRICTLY PROHIBIT, UM, RESIDENTIAL STREET TREES.
UH, THE, THE, UM, THE REASON THEY'RE PROHIBITED IS BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN ABOUT HEAVING, UH, SIDEWALKS FROM THE ROOTS.
THAT'S LARGELY A MATTER OF POOR TREE CHOICES.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, A LOT OF TREES THAT WORK PERFECTLY WELL, UH, IN TREE LAWNS THAT AREN'T GONNA HEAVE THE SIDEWALK PREMATURELY.
UH, SO I THINK WE NEED, THAT'S ONE OF THE, FROM A, FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A KEY CHANGE THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR.
AND ONE THAT I THINK, UM, WILL PAVE DIVIDENDS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE TREE CANOPIES AND TREE LINE STREETS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT, IT GOES A LONG WAY TO, UM, REDUCING STORMWATER RUNOFF, INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES, AND JUST THE GENERAL LIVABILITY AND AESTHETICS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IN OUR CURRENT CODES, UM, OR OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ANY OF THE OFF-STREET FACILITIES.
UH, SO, UM, ENHANCED, WE REALLY DON'T TALK ABOUT BIKER SCOOTER PARKING, UH, STORMWATER PLANTERS OR BIO SWALES, SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING.
UH, AND THEN THE PLANT HAS SOME GRAPHICAL TREATMENTS OF HOW WE, WE ADDRESS CURBSIDE FACILITIES PARKING, BI VEHICULAR PARKING, BICYCLE PARKING, THE, THE STANDARDS KIND OF ALL OF THIS IS TENDING TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS A FORM-BASED CODE, THINKING ABOUT HOW A, A COMMUNITY LOOKS AND THE AESTHETICS AND THE, THE PLACE, THE MASSING, THE FEEL, RATHER THAN THE USES BEHIND THE WALLS.
SO AS FAR AS THE IMPLEMENTATION STEPS ON THE MOBILITY PLAN, UH, THE FIRST CUP, THE FIRST YEAR WOULD BE TO UPDATE OUR MOBILITY POLICIES, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UH, OUR STREET NETWORK MAP, AND OUR TYPICAL, UH, SUBDIVISION STREET SECTIONS.
UM, WORKING TO REDUCE, UM, PARKING MINIMUMS, UH, PROMOTING INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, UM, SUPPORT VARIOUS TRAFFIC CALMING INITIATIVES, UM, EXPANDING CHARGING STATION AVAILABILITY.
IT'S ONE THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.
UM, UH, WHEN ALL OF THE CONVENIENCE STORES, THE SHEETS, THE WAWA, WHEN, WHENEVER I ASK THEM ABOUT, DO WE NEED ANOTHER GAS STATION? THEIR, THEIR STANDARD LINE IS WE'RE A RESTAURANT OR A CONVENIENCE STORE THAT HAPPENS TO SELL GAS.
UM, AND SO I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THAT, UH, THAT CHARGING NETWORK.
UM, WE HAVE A GREAT START, THE BIG FACILITY, UH, IN FRONT OF WALMART.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY NOW? CHARGING FACILITIES? YES.
ONE LARGE ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
AND THERE ARE A FEW SCATTERED, UH, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW.
UH, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF UNTIL
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I WAS OUT OF CITIZEN CONTROL, AND I WAS AMAZED AT THE NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE SAW, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO KNOWS ABOUT THEM OR HOW THEY, HOW PEOPLE FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE.YEAH, I KNOW THE LIBRARY IS PUTTING A COUPLE IN A LOT OF, UH, NEW, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADDING EV CHARGING STATIONS, RIGHT.
I, THERE THERE MUST BE AT LEAST EIGHT OR 10 YEAH.
AND THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME WHENEVER WE RAN ACROSS SO MANY.
UM, SO THE, THE, FOR THE NEXT 12 TO 24 MONTHS, UM, THE IDEA IS TO ALIGN THAT STREET AND TRAIL DESIGN STANDARDS WITH STATE AND NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES.
UH, THEY'RE ADVOCATING THAT WE JOIN, UH, NACO, UH, THAT WE INCORPORATE O DOT'S MULTIMODAL, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH WAS JUST RELEASED LAST YEAR, UH, INTO, INTO OUR CODES.
UM, INCORPORATE THE VISION ZERO GOALS, WHICH I HAD MENTIONED EARLY ON, AND THEN INCORPORATE THOSE SAFER ROUTE TO SCHOOL BEST PRACTICES IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE, UH, NEAR AND ADJACENT TO OUR HIGH SCHOOL ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
DON'T WE DO THAT NOW? THE SAFER ROUTE TO SCHOOL I KNOW IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE READ ABOUT HERE IN HUBER.
SO WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF ROUNDS OF SAFER ROUTE TO SCHOOL FUNDING WHERE WE HAVE MADE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THAT PROGRAM.
UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY'RE ADVOCATING IS, UM, MAKE THAT YOUR STANDARD DESIGN, YOUR, YOUR BASIC MINIMUM DESIGN STANDARD.
JUST REAL QUICK ON THE, SORT OF GOING BACK TO THE AUTOMOTIVE COST ASSESSMENT THAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, WHERE IT'S STARTING TO RIVAL HOUSING COSTS AT THIS POINT, I I IS AS PART OF THAT ASSESSMENT, DID YOU LOOK AT THAT ON SORT OF A PER VEHICLE BASIS, OR IS IT JUST THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES HAVE INCREASED AND SO INSTEAD OF A FAMILY HAVING TWO CARS AND NOW HAVE THREE, OR THEY MIGHT HAVE FOUR.
SO WE LOOKED AT IT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT EACH HOUSEHOLD SPENDS TOWARDS CERTAIN, UH, ITEMS, UH, WE LOOKED AT.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S BROKEN OUT.
SO TRANSPORTATION IS, IS ONE ITEM, HOUSEHOLD EXPENSES, GROCERIES, ALL OF THAT.
WHAT WE SAW IS, LIKE I SAID, THE, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION COSTS OVER TIME, RIGHT.
LEVELING UP TO, UM, TO HOUSING COSTS.
PART OF THAT IS ADDITIONAL VEHICLES IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
PART OF THAT IS JUST NATURAL, UH, INFLATION, GAS PRICES, AUTO PRICES RISING FASTER THAN THAN HOME.
YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU'VE LOCKED IN YOUR, YOUR 30 YEAR MORTGAGE, OTHER THAN TAXES, YOUR COSTS THERE ARE, ARE ARE LARGELY FIXED STATIC.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE REDUCING PARKING MINIMUMS. YOU KNOW, THAT THE ASSESSMENT, THE SEGMENTATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S JUST ADDITIONAL VEHICLES OR IF IT'S ADDITIONAL COST IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR.
SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE PARKING MINIMUMS, IS THERE A A STRATEGY AROUND RESIDENTIAL PARKING MINIMUMS VERSUS COMMERCIAL? UM, I'M ALL ABOUT REDUCING THE PARKING.
AND I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY.
I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GET MY HANDS AROUND, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE THINK ABOUT FROM A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERSPECTIVE, FROM COMMERCIAL, AND HOW DO YOU SORT OF FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM? YEAH.
SO, UM, SO MOST PARKING STANDARDS ARE LARGELY MADE UP.
ONE CITY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA, SO THEN THE NEXT CITY ADOPTED IT, AND THEN THE NEXT CITY, AND THEN THE NEXT CITY.
UM, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SCIENCE BEHIND PARKING MINIMUM STANDARDS.
UM, NOT LIKE THERE IS BEHIND TRAFFIC GENERATION BY EACH USE.
UM, THE IDEA BEHIND REDUCING PARKING, SO I DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW WE WOULD TRA TREAT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS HOW WE WOULD TREAT COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THE IDEA BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL AREAS IS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS A VESTED INTEREST TO SUCCEED, RIGHT? SO THEY ARE NOT GOING THE IDEAS THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO UNDER PARK NECESSARILY.
WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS, SO THE WALMARTS OF THE WORLD OR THE, THE MEYER, THEY TEND TO OVER PARK WAY MORE, UH, PARKING THAN IS NECESSARY.
SO MANY CODES HAVE NOW SHIFTED TO A MAXIMUM PARKING AMOUNT TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
ONE, PARKING, PARKING LOTS DON'T GENERATE ANY REVENUE.
THEY TAKE UP AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF SPACE, PROVIDE NOTHING IN TERMS OF REVENUE FROM PROPERTY TAX STANDPOINT.
UH, AND EXCUSE ME, MY OPINION, OUR CODE REQUIRES ABOUT A THIRD MORE THAN IS NECESSARY, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
I WOULD ARGUE TOO, ON THE, THE RESIDENTIAL IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE REQUIRE THREE PARKING SPACES PER SINGLE FAMILY, PER SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, BUT WE COUNT THE DRIVEWAY APRON AS SPACES.
UM, SO I, THERE WE CAN, WE CAN PARTICULARLY LOWER
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THE, THE AMOUNT REQUIRED IN, UM, UH, APARTMENTS IN MULTI-FAMILY.I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE SHOULD, UH, UH, GO BY BEDROOM NUMBER OF BEDROOMS RATHER THAN NUMBER OF UNITS.
UM, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM THERE, BUT THE, IT'S REALLY THE, THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL LAND USES WHERE WE WERE REQUIRING WAY MORE, AND IT JUST EATS UP, UH, A TON OF, OF LAND.
NO, I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT.
UH, OVER THE NEXT, UH, TWO TO THREE YEARS, WE WOULD BEGIN TO, UH, DEVELOP THAT LOOP OF MASTER PLAN WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS SUCH AS, UH, UH, M MCD FIBERS, METRO PARKS, UH, DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN.
YOU SAW THAT, UM, FOR ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, THE, THE NEUBAUER SITE THAT, THAT YOU JUST APPROVED HAD A 10 FOOT, UH, BIKEWAY, UH, ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT SITE COMING THROUGH WITH THE SUBDIVISION THAT JUST GOT APPROVED CARRIES THAT THEME.
SO WE BEGIN TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS, UH, AND, AND BUILD OUT THIS, THIS NETWORK.
UM, THE LAST RECOMMENDATION IS TO CREATE A, UH, REALLY A, A, A MULTIMODAL PLANNING COORDINATOR POSITION, UH, WITHIN THE CITY, UH, SOMETIME IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
UM, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS IF THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY REALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY, UH, IT'S GONNA FALL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE.
AND, UM, THINKING ABOUT HOW WE INTEGRATE, UH, THE BUS NETWORK, THE, THE BIKE NETWORK AND OUR ROAD NETWORK, UH, WILL KIND OF BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY CHASING THE GRANTS AND THINKING ABOUT THIS, THIS WILL NOT RISE TO THE, TO THE FOREFRONT, AT LEAST THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT.
QUESTIONS ON THE MOBILITY PLAN? OKAY.
SO THE, THE DEVELOPED PATTERNS, UM, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS KIND OF TO, TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE REDEVELOP THIS CITY, NOT NECESSARILY FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE PRIMARILY, BUT FOR THINKING ABOUT THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT AND HOW PEOPLE LIVE, WHERE THEY LIVE, HOW THEY WORK, AND HOW THEY PLAY.
THINKING ABOUT THE, THE CHARACTER, THE COMMUNITY, LESS THAN ABOUT THE, THE LAND USES WITH, OR THE USES WITHIN EACH, UH, WITHIN EACH BUILDING.
SO AS WE, IT'S A SHIFT OF THINKING ABOUT THE CITY AS SEPARATE DISPARATE LAND USES, UH, AND MORE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN TERMS OF THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS SCALE, UH, BUILDING DESIGN, SPACING, UH, OPEN SPACE DESIGN, USABLE, OPEN SPACE DESIGN, NOT THE, UH, NOT THE RETENTION POND THAT, THAT WE COUNT AS OPEN SPACE, UH, DENSITY AND, AND MASSING.
AND REALLY, WHEN YOU BOIL IT DOWN, IT'S FOCUSING ON PLACEMAKING, CREATING ENVIRONMENTS, UH, AND TH AND THAT, AND, AND THINKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THEIR AREAS, THEIR ENVIRONMENTS, HOW THEY FUNCTION, ENGAGE WITH THEM, UH, AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITHIN THOSE PLACES.
SO ULTIMATELY IT'S CREATING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE, WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE, WHERE THEY WANT TO WORK, WHERE THEY WANT TO RECREATE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, WELL, I WENT OVER THE GOALS.
AS FAR AS THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, UM, WELL, I, I TALKED ABOUT THOSE EXPANDING HOUSING OPTIONS, UM, FOCUS ON THE, THE GROWTH AND CLUSTERS AND, UH, ENCOURAGEABLE WALKABLE DIS DENSITY.
SO THERE ARE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS MAP ARE, ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO SEVEN SEGMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE CENTERS, WHICH ARE THESE NODES OF ACTIVITIES.
SO THERE'S THE LIVE LOCAL, THERE IS THE PLAY, THERE'S THE WORK HERE, THEY'RE THE GOLD, THESE ARE THE GOLD ONES.
UM, THEN THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE RIVERFRONT, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, KIND OF THEME AREAS, UH, SUCH AS, UM, THE ESTATE LOTS, WHICH ARE IN THE GREEN, THE EAST VILLAGES HERE, UM, THE NORTHTOWN, SOUTHTOWN, ET CETERA.
SO THOSE ARE ORGANIZED BY THE TIME PERIOD OF, UH, WHEN THEY WERE BUILT AND, AND KIND OF THE, THE, THE PREDOMINANT, UM, CONTEXT, UH, AND, AND HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED AND HOW THEY LOOK.
SO IT, IT MAKES SENSE AS I, IT WILL MAKE SENSE AS I GO THROUGH IT.
SO THE LIVE LOCAL, UM, IS THE, THE REALLY, THE, THE FORM IS THE AREA THAT THE BRAND PIKE REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS BUILT UPON.
UM, AND AS, AS WE THINK ABOUT REDOING OUR
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CODES, UH, OR FOCUSING ON AREA PLANS, THE, THE, THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF THIS AREA IS REALLY BUILT OFF THAT MOMENTUM THAT WAS CREATED BY THE BRANT PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, FOCUS ON THE LOCAL SERVICES, UM, GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A, A NEW CIVIC CENTER, UH, IN THAT AREA.
UM, RETAIL AND AMENITIES, UH, A WIDE RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS SHOULD BE BUILT THERE SO THAT WE'RE CREATING THE, THAT THE ROOFTOP DENSITY AND THE HOUSEHOLD DENSITY TO SUPPORT THOSE RETAIL BUSINESSES.
UM, AND THEN REALLY FOCUS ON WALKABLE WALKABILITY AND WALKABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, UH, IN THERE, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO UPDATE THE BRAND PIKE STUDY WITH, UH, WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, WITH THESE ELEMENTS.
SECOND, UH, DEVELOPMENT CENTER IS WHAT IS BEING CALLED THE, THE WORK CENTER.
THIS IS REALLY THE JOB, A JOBS CLUSTER, UH, LARGELY MANUFACTURING DISTRIBUTION, UH, ALONG 70 NORTH, 70 ALONG 2 35.
UH, AND, AND THE IDEA IS TO BUILD OFF THAT THEME, THAT INDUSTRIAL BASE, UM, THE CORPORATE ANCHORS THE PROXIMITY TO WRIGHT PATH TO THE EAST, UM, DEVELOP FOR DENSITY, BOTH JOB DENSITY, BUT ALSO BE FLEXIBLE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE LAND USES, ENCOURAGE, UH, SOME RESIDENTIAL HERE ON THE, UH, WESTERN EDGE NEXT TO CARRIAGE HILL AS A, AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL AND, AND THE PARK AREA.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UM, REALLY MORE ON THE MULTI-FAMILY.
SO YOU'RE BRINGING EMPLOYERS CLOSER TO WHERE, EXCUSE ME, EMPLOYEES CLOSER TO, TO WHERE THEY POTENTIALLY WORK.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THE CONSULTANTS AND AND STAFF AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO A SMALL AREA PLAN.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, UH, A BIG INFLUX OF INTEREST IN LARGE TRUCK STOPS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT USE FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REASON AT THE MOMENT TO SAY NO PER SE.
UM, AND THIS IS AN AREA THAT IT IS A CLUSTER OF JOBS THAT CAN BE LEVERAGED.
UH, WE ARE WITH THE, THE, THE ONE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DID, UH, APPROVE, UH, OPENS UP 400 PLUS ACRES WHEN THAT ROAD, WHEN CENTER POINT 70 IS EVENTUALLY EXTENDED EAST, OPENS UP 400 PLUS ACRES, UH, TO THE, TO THE EAST FOR, FOR ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, RETAIL, UH, ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION GOING ON IN THIS AREA BETWEEN THE ROWS, UH, THE, THE, UM, ENTERTAINMENT NODES OR THE COMMERCIAL NODES HERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE HERE ALONG BRANCH, UH, CARRIAGE HILL, UM, THE Y M C A, THE AQUATIC CENTER, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT IS A REGIONAL AND A LOCAL AMENITY DESTINATION AREA.
SO THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS WE BUILD OFF OF THAT, THAT THE MOMENTUM ALONG EXECUTIVE WAY BETWEEN WARPED WING, THE ROSE, THE Y M C A, UH, YEAH, THE Y M C A, UH, PARKVIEW APARTMENTS, ET CETERA.
UM, TARGET REGIONALLY SCALED HOSPITALITY, UM, SUPPORT MULTI-FAMILY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, EMPHASIZE THE IDEA OF YOU CAN PARK ONCE AND WALK SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, SO THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HOP AROUND YOUR CAR ALL THE TIME.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT DEVELOPING, UH, MORE OF A SUB AREA PLAN SO THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF GUIDING, GUIDING THAT DEVELOPMENT.
THE LAST CENTER IS THE, UM, THE RIVERFRONT.
UH, AND THIS HAS A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES.
ONE, IT IS ALONG THE RIVERFRONT, IT, IT MAKES THAT FRONT DOOR CONNECTION TO BOTH, UH, TAYLORSVILLE METRO PARKS ALONG WITH THE, THE GREAT MIAMI RIVER.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, UH, WHEN THESE GRAVEL PITS ARE NO LONGER, UH, USED FOR MINERAL EXTRACTION, WHAT'S THE RECLAMATION PLAN? CAN WE HELP GUIDE THAT RECLAMATION PLAN FOR EITHER AMENITIES OR HOUSING? UH, HOW DO WE BUILD ON THAT? UH, AS WELL AS WHAT DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW DO WE REINVIGORATE OR, OR, UH, REDEVELOP MIAMI VILLAS, WHICH IS OUR RIVERFRONT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT'S KIND OF AN AREA THAT WE'VE LEFT ALONE, BUT I THINK HAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS PLAN.
I, YES, YOU MENTIONED THE GRAVEL PITS.
SO HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE STOP ANY DEVELOPMENT
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THAT WANTS TO GO IN THERE BY THE CITY OF DAYTON? SO, UM, I WOULD, ONE THIRD OF THE LAND OF THE GRAVEL PITS IS IN THE CITY OF DAYTON, BUT THERE ARE, THERE'S PIT AREA RIGHT ABOVE THE CITY OF DAYTON.THERE'S ALSO ROCK CRUSHING IN AND PIT AREA NORTH OF 70.
BUT ISN'T THAT WHERE WE HAVE OUR WATER PLANT? SO THERE'S SOME THERE, BUT THERE IS STILL AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, USE THE, THE REG, THE, THE RIVERFRONT IS, I WOULD SAY A LONG-TERM PLAY.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE, I THINK MAR, MAR, MARTIN, MARIETTA, MARIETTA, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, UH, GRAVEL PIT OPERATOR.
UM, BUT IT'S, THE IDEA IS TO LET'S, LET'S GET THINKING ABOUT HOW WE DO MAKE THESE INTENTIONAL CONNECTIONS, UM, UH, TO THE RIVER.
ALSO, WHAT DO WE DO ALONG RIP WRAP ROAD, UM, WHEN IT FLOODS AND, AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
JUST SO, IN A SENSE, THIS AREA, I WOULD ARGUE MAYBE HAS BEEN KIND OF OUTTA SIGHT OUTTA MIND.
THIS BRINGS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE, TO THE FOREFRONT IN THINKING ABOUT MAKING THOSE INTENTIONAL CONNECTIONS TO THE METRO PARK CORRIDOR THAT RUNS FROM TAYLORSVILLE ALL THE WAY TO DOWNTOWN DAYTON.
WELL, OF COURSE, AND I, AND I, I REMEMBER WHENEVER THEY CLOSED THE BRIDGE AND THEY REBUILT THAT ROAD, BUT ANYWAY, THAT GOES TO, UH, INTO DAYTON MM-HMM.
UH, BUT I'M WONDERING, UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON ALSO HAS, UM, THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS, THE SOCCER FIELD AND ALL THAT IS THERE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I, I NOTICED HERE,
I, IS THAT THE LAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA CHANGE THAT, UM, THAT, THAT VERBIAGE.
I THINK THAT, YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO.
THIS LAND IS LARGELY AN AFTERTHOUGHT FOR DAYTON.
UM, IT REALLY SERVES NO PURPOSE FOR THEM.
I KNOW, BUT THEY WON'T GIVE IT, THEY WON'T TRADE WITH US OR WHATEVER.
BUT, BUT THERE COULD BE IN, IN A FUTURE WORLD, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME, SOME BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T GAIN ANYTHING BY THAT UNTIL WE BEGIN TO MAKE THOSE INTENTIONAL CONNECTIONS ALONG CHAMBERSBURG HEADING, HEADING WEST.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE GAIN ANYTHING BY START.
WE DON'T LOSE ANYTHING BY STARTING THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE IN NO HURRY, UH, TO, TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT I THINK CAN YIELD HIGHER DIVIDENDS THAN, THAN, THAN THAT BOUNDARY SHIFT.
AND, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT VERBIAGE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UH, ANNEXATION IS NOT A VERY GOOD WORD TO BE USING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, COUNCIL IS NOT INTERESTED IN PURSUING ANNEXATION UNLESS SOMEONE COMES TO THEM.
I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS YES, TECHNICALLY THIS IS THE CITY OF DAYTON.
UM, BUT LET'S NOT NOT THINK ABOUT IT AS FAR AS MAKING THOSE CONNECTIONS TO THE RIVER.
AND, AND THE, THE WARRIOR SOCCER FIELDS ARE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL USED, UH, AND AS A COMMUNITY ASSET, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WHOLE AREA WAS INITIALLY, IT, IT STARTED OUT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THE CITY OF DAYTON EMPLOYS PURCHASED PROPERTY ALONG THE RIVER SO THAT THE FAMILIES COULD COME LIVE THERE IN THE SUMMERTIME, WHERE IT'S NICE AND COOL WHILE THE, THE MAN STAYED IN THE CITY OF DAYTON TO WORK.
SO IT STARTED OUT AS A, A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CALL IT.
YEAH, I THINK MIAMI VILLAS WAS, WAS A SUMMER RETREAT.
THAT WAS, WHEN I LOOK AT HOW IT'S PLATTED, UHHUH
THIS IS THE SORT OF REGIONAL SHOPPING DESTINATION.
THIS IS WHERE MOST OF, EXCEPT FOR WALMART, THIS IS WHERE OUR BIG BOX RETAILERS REALLY ARE, UH, ALONG, UH, OLD TROY PIKE, NORTH OF NORTH OF 70.
AND IT'S REALLY TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BUILD ON THAT.
LET'S, UH, LET'S IMPROVE IT, LET'S MAKE IT BETTER.
LET'S FOCUS, UH, ON, UH, ALLOWING QUALITY TENANTS TO MOVE IN EASILY US NOT BEING A
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ROADBLOCK.JUST, YOU, YOU MENTIONED WALMART.
SO THE FACT THAT IS A VERY LARGE LOT, A LOT OF UNUSED SPACE, AND I KNOW WALMART BY A MODEL, KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THEIR ABATEMENTS AND THEN LOOKS FOR NEW PROPERTIES.
SO IS THAT'S SOMETHING OF THE USE THAT WE NEED TO ALSO GET ON THE CITY'S RADAR OF THAT LOCATION AND HOW BIG THAT AREA IS, AND THE FACT THAT THEY GENERALLY DO LOOK TO RELOCATE AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
SO I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THOSE, UH, AREAS WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER A SMALL AREA PLAN, WHAT CAN AND CAN'T GO.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT ITERATION OF THAT BIG BOX? UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A BIG PROPERTY OWNER AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
IS THERE ANY WAY OF LOOKING AT CONNECTIVITY OUT THE BACKSIDE OF THAT ALL TO BELL FOUNTAIN AT ANY POINT TO DISPERSE SOME TRAFFIC TOO? I DUNNO IF THAT'S IN THE, AGAIN, AT SOME POINT IT'S NOT THERE NOW, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEY, I, ON DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE REAR CONNECTIVITY THERE MIGHT NOT BE CHEAP, BUT SOMETHING YEAH, WE'LL DO WE OWN A LOT OF THAT NOW? UM, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UH, NORTHTOWN IS, UH, I MEAN THIS IS THE GROWING RESIDENTIAL AREA OF, OF THE CITY.
UM, UH, THIS IS CURRENT NEW HOUSING.
UH, THE IDEA IS THAT WE FOCUS ON COMPLETING THOSE SUBDIVISIONS, MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO THE NEXT SECTIONS AND THE NEXT AREAS TO MAYBE COMING THROUGH TO, UH, IMPROVE, UM, MULTIMODAL CONNECTIVITY.
MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, ARE KEEPING, ARE TRYING TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP THAT CONNECTED STREET, STREET GRID, UH, OR NOT NECESSARILY GRID, BUT THE STREET, STREET, UH, NETWORK, UH, AS WELL AS MAKING, UH, UH, ARRANGEMENTS FOR, UM, FOR THAT, UH, THAT BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO MOVING THE NEXT STEP, MOVING FROM FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS TO FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS FROM FIVE FOOT ON THE, UH, ARTERIALS TO 10 FOOT MULTIMODAL PATHS.
SOUTH SOUTHTOWN, THIS IS THE LARGEST AREA OF THE CITY.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, WE CALL IT THE ORIGINAL HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, UH, THIS AREA IS REALLY, UM, UH, FOCUSING.
WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, OF BOTH THE COMMERCIAL, UH, AREAS, THE KIND OF THE, THE SHOPPING CENTERS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN.
UH, ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE ASSIST INDIVIDUALS TO REINVEST IN THEIR HOMES.
UM, IN SOME OF THESE UNITS, THE MECHANICALS ARE FAILING, THE ROOF ARE FAILING.
HOW DO WE THEN BUILD THAT NEXT GENERATION OF HOMEOWNERS? UH, THIS IS A GREAT SORT OF, UH, STARTER HOME MODEL THESE DAYS.
HOW DO WE BUILD THAT NEXT, UM, GENERATION OF, OF HOMEOWNERS, UH, IN, INTO THIS, INTO THIS AREA? HOW DO WE SUPPORT THEM? HOW DO WE, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE INVESTING FOR THIS PLACE TO, TO CONTINUE TO BE AS GOOD AS IT IS OR THE BEST PLACE IT CAN BE OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS? UM, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME.
UM, KETTERING HAS A PROGRAM THAT HELPS PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S A GRANT THAT THEY RECEIVED OR DOES THAT ACTUALLY COME OUT OF THEIR BUDGET? SO MOST OF THE FUNDS THEY USE ARE OUT OF, THEY'RE A CDBG ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY.
UH, SO THEY, UM, THEY USE, UM, MOST, A LOT OF THEIR CDBG ENTITLEMENT FUNDS FOR THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF THEIR HOME MONEY.
ANOTHER FEDERAL ENTITLEMENT, UM, WHAT I'VE ASKED HOUSING INSPECTION TO, TO DO IS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD DATA ON EXTERIOR CONDITIONS.
UM, I CALL HOUSING INSPECTION CUZ THAT'S WHAT I'M USED TO.
SO, CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHAT I'VE ASKED CODE ENFORCEMENT TO START TO DO IS, UM, PUT TOGETHER A, A GRADING CRITERIA SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME EMPIRICAL DATA ON THE EXTERIOR CONDITIONS OF, OF THESE AREAS.
UH, THAT WILL ALLOW US THEN TO MAKE THE ASK TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY FOR A PORTION OF THEIR CDBG FUNDS FOR, UH, AN OWNER-OCCUPIED REPAIR PROGRAM OR A SENIOR REPAIR PROGRAM OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ENABLE PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE, REPLACE THEIR ROOFS OR REPLACE THEIR WINDOWS, MODERNIZE THIS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE, AT THE MOMENT A LOT OF GOOD EMPIRICAL DATA THAT WE CAN SAY TO THE COUNTY, HERE'S OUR PROBLEM, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA SOLVE IT, AND THIS IS THE OUTCOME.
SO WE'RE GONNA START THAT, UM, THIS SUMMER.
AARON, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
WILL YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING MONEY BACK INTO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE SOUTH PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS? I MEAN, I GREW UP THERE SO I
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KNOW WHAT IT USED TO BE AND TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.SO THERE'S A LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTY DOWN THERE MM-HMM.
UM, HOW DO WE, OR IN THIS PLAN, CAN THEY INCORPORATE A POLICY OR SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE OWNERS, THOSE THE RENTAL COMPANIES OR THE LANDLORDS TO MAINTAIN A, A HIGHER LEVEL PROPERTY VALUE, HIGHER LEVEL PROPERTY APPEARANCE, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR BUSHES TRIMMED.
UM, MAKE SURE YOUR, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SIGHTINGS NOT FALLING OFF.
UM, I, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES YOU WANT THE SOUTH SIDE OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO, YOU KNOW, BE REVITALIZED AND USE THAT AS A STARTER HOME.
BUT PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT MOVING INTO THAT MARKET JUST BECAUSE OF SOMETIMES THE APPEARANCE.
AND YOU MAY BE TO THE POINT, MAYBE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP IT UP, BUT IF YOU'RE A LANDLORD AND YOU'RE COLLECTING RENT, YOU SHOULD BE HELD TO A STANDARD, UH, IN MY OPINION, YOU SHOULD BE HELD TO A STANDARD OF, OF DECENT LIVING FOR YOUR RENTERS.
AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN PUT SOMETHING AS PART OF THIS AS, AS MOVING FORWARD THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE A LANDLORD, YOU'RE GONNA BE HELD TO MAINTAIN A PROPERTY OR YOUR PROPERTY AT A HIGHER LEVEL? I THINK PART OF THAT GOES TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UM, IS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE THAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS.
SO WE MAY EXPECT THIS, OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CAN COMPEL THIS.
HOW DO WE LEVEL UP TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTATION IS? AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE LAST TIME WE DID A CODE AUDIT FOR, FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WAS, UM, BUT THAT'S AN ITEM THAT AS PART OF THAT DATA COLLECTION, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
I WOULD SAY THAT NEEDS TO BE A HIGH PRIORITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I REMEMBER WHEN VIPER CAME, WHEN THEY FIRST BOUGHT ALL THE HUB RENTALS, THEY, THEY CAME AND DID A PRESENTATION, UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS AT OUR ROTARY CLUB AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY WERE GONNA REINVEST IN THE, IN THE PROPERTIES.
AND THEY WERE GONNA CLEAN UP THE PROPERTIES AND ESPECIALLY LIKE RIGHT AROUND, ALONG HERE ON TAYLORSVILLE, HOW THEY WERE GOING TO REMODEL THEM AND BRING THEM TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF STANDARD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE ONLY THING I'VE SEEN THEM DO IS PACK UP AND LEAVE TOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY OWN QUITE A BIT OF RENTAL PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T EVEN KEEP THEIR COMPANY IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING STANDARD NEEDS TO BE UP HERE.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE, UM, IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT WE DO THAT, THAT AUDIT FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE TO MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS THE, THE VALUES OF THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, IN MY OPINION, I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR CODE IS NOT OKAY.
IT'S JUST THAT IT'S NOT BEING FOLLOWED.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR CODE IS.
AND I CAN'T START THAT OUT THERE.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OUR STANDARD OF CODE IS FOR INVESTMENT PROPERTY OR WHAT OUR, I JUST KNOW WHERE I LIVE ABOVE S SHAUL, I CAN DEFINITELY NOW TELL WHAT VINE BROOK OWNS VERSUS WHAT THE, AND E AND EVEN NOW THE RESIDENTS ARE STARTING TO MOVE IN AND NOT EVEN CARE BECAUSE, WELL, IF MY NEIGHBOR'S GONNA BE WEIN BROOK, WHO IS THE BUSHES ARE GROWING UP OVER THE WINDOWS AND THIS AND THE SPOUTING IS FALLING OFF, WELL, WHY SHOULD I CARE? WELL, I CARE AS A RESIDENT THERE BECAUSE MY HOUSE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
AND IF I'M GONNA HAVE A RENTAL HOUSE ON BOTH SIDES OF ME, I'M GONNA CARE.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT SAYS CUZ I HAVEN'T DONE A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT.
I'M JUST BE CURIOUS AS TO WHEN THE LAST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY WHAT THE STANDARD OF, OF LEVEL IS VERSUS, I KNOW, I KNOW HOW, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS OUT EVERY DAY.
UM, AND NINE 80, MOST OF 80% OF THEIR COMPLAINTS ARE SELF-INITIATED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UM, BUT WHETHER OR NOT OUR CODE REFLECTS THE, THE VALUES OF THE COMMUNITY, I CAN'T SAY THAT I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL ENFORCE WHATEVER THE CODE SAYS US, UM, EAST VILLAGES.
SO THIS IS, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER GROWING AREA OR HAS A POTENTIAL, UH, OF GROWTH BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE ARE EXTENDING UTILITIES EASTWARD ALONG, UH, CHAMBERSBURG.
UM, SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MAYBE A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT'S LARGELY UNDEVELOPED LAND.
UH, WE COULD, IF WE CHOSE TO CREATE KIND OF THE, THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LOOK OR FEEL, UM,
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UH, BUT ANY REGARDLESS, UH, NEW DEVELOPED FOCUS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, QUALITY, INTERCONNECTED STREETS, TRAILS, GREEN SPACES, UH, AND WALKABLE DENSITY, UM, THAT THIS AREA, LIKE I SAID, PROBABLY HAS THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT'S LARGELY FIELD.UM, AND THERE ARE UTILITIES THAT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE OR WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE.
AS FAR AS THE ESTATES, UM, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT, UM, ARE GONNA BE LARGELY LARGE ARE GOING TO BE LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, BY IN GENERAL, UM, UH, PUBLIC UTILITIES SERVING, UH, THESE AREAS.
UM, OR THERE'S TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO PRECLUDE A TRADITIONAL, UH, SUBDIVISION DESIGN.
YOU'VE GOT SOME FLOOD PLANE ISSUES, UH, ON IN THE WEST HERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES, ESPECIALLY, UH, IN THIS AREA SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG.
UH, AND THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA BE EXTENDING ANY UTILITIES FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE DOWN TAYLORSVILLE.
SO THESE AREAS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE ON PRIVATE, PRIVATE WATER, PRIVATE WELLS.
UM, AND SO BY BY NATURE THEY'RE GONNA BE LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENTS.
AARON, ON THE, ON THE EAST VILLAGES, JUST GOING BACK.
DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTHY TO HAVE A SMALL AREA PLANNED FOR THIS AS WELL? OR IS IT MAYBE NOT IMMEDIATE ENOUGH OF A DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT YET? SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I'M THINKING ABOUT BANDWIDTH CAPACITY.
I, I WOULD SAY IT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT PROBABLY ARE, HAVE HIGHER DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE THAN, THAN THIS AREA DOES.
UM, I THINK A SMALL AREA PLAN WOULD, WOULD BE NEEDED IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
BUT, UM, THE AREA IS NORTH OF 70, UM, 2 35 AND 70, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE BRANT PIKE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, AREA IS, IS TUNED UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AND THEN HOW WE THINK ABOUT OLD TROY PIKE FROM SAY, TAYLORSVILLE TO SHAW, THOSE I THINK ARE, IT'S KIND OF THE, MY TOP THREE.
SO AS FAR AS THE IMPLEMENTATION STEPS, THE FIRST ONE, UM, MAY SEEM OBVIOUS, BUT IT'S TO ADOPT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WE WILL CREATE A WEB-BASED VERSION OF THE PLAN.
WE WILL PROBABLY, WE WILL DO SOME TRANSLATION.
UH, SO THAT IS, UH, IN, IN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPANISH, RIGHT? YEP.
UM, AND THEN PROACTIVELY MARKET THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS.
SO IF PEOPLE REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE PLAN, THEY CAN EMBRACE THE PLAN.
IT'S NOT ONE THAT, UH, JUST LIVES, UH, IN STAFF'S FRONTAL LOBE, BUT THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS WHY, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT AND CAN HELP, UM, CAN HELP SORT OF CARRY THAT, THAT, THAT TORCH.
UM, SECONDLY, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU ALL WILL PLAY A HEAVY, HEAVY ROLE, UH, WHICH IS REFORMING OUR PLANNING AND ZONING CODE.
UM, THEY ARE, UM, THE, IF WE GO TO, IF WE ADOPT THIS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CONCEPT, UM, THAT REALLY LENDS ITSELF FROM MOVING OUR ZONING CODE FROM A TRADITIONAL EUCLIDEAN ZONING CODE LIKE WE HAVE NOW TO MORE OF A FORM-BASED CODE.
UM, AND THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.
UM, BUT I THINK, UH, IT WILL YIELD, UH, A BETTER RESULT.
UM, AND ALSO LESS RELIANCE ON PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
I'VE ALWAYS, I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, UM, ARE, AND UNLESS SOMETHING IS REALLY UNIQUE, COMMUNITIES USE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THEIR CODE, UH, DOESN'T CREATE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO WHAT I WOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR IS THAT WE UPDATE OUR CODE SO THAT OUR BASE ZONING AREAS CREATE QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT THE NEED TO DO ALL OF THESE OVERLAY UH, APPROACHES.
SO AARON, JUST REAL QUICK ON THE, THE AMOUNT OF THE ZONING CODE THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE CHANGED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PLAN.
I MEAN, IS THAT ROUGH ESTIMATE 40%, 50%, THE WHOLE THING? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, IF WE WERE TO MOVE TOWARDS A MODIFIED FORM-BASED CODE, UM, WHERE WE ARE MORE FOCUSED ON THE DESIGN ASPECT OF, OF, AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE STREETS, THE BUILDINGS, THE SCALE, THE MASSING, AND WE GO TOWARDS MORE OF A GRAPHIC CODE.
SO THAT TELLS THE STORY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, I THINK WE COULD SAVE THE DEFINITION PART OF THE CODE AND THE PROCEDURES PART OF THE CODE.
UH, AND THEN, SO I WOULD SAY WE'D SCRAP 80% OF IT AND JUST START OVER.
OVER AGAIN,
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YOU MENTIONED CITY STANDARDS.IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S IN THE CODE NOW? YEP.
AND WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR CODIFYING THE NEW CODE, FRAMEWORK OR FORM AS YOU THINK ABOUT IT? SO THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE ADOPTING, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ESSENTIALLY DIRECTS US TO MOVE IN THAT STEP.
UM, THE NEXT SORT OF STEP WOULD BE MAKING SURE THAT BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, UM, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ARE, UM, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS AS FAR AS THE INVESTMENT IN TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GO THROUGH A CODE REWRITE PROCESS.
UM, AND, AND MAKE SURE THERE'S THE WILL TO, TO DO THAT.
CUZ IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY LIFT.
IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND COMMITMENT.
UM, AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF FORM-BASED CODES ARE KIND OF ON A SPECTRUM.
SO YOU HAVE THE TRADITIONAL UTILITY AND CODE THAT ONLY FOCUSES ON LAND, USE A LITTLE BIT DESIGN IF YOU HAVE THE FORM-BASED CODE.
THE TRUE FORM-BASED CODE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT LAND USE REALLY AT ALL.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S ABOUT HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE STREET, THE HEIGHT, THE MATERIALS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY CARE WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE WALLS.
UM, IN THE MIDDLE IS PROBABLY WHERE HUBER HEIGHTS SHOULD LAND.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF LAND USE, BUT HEAVIER ON A DESIGN ELEMENT SO THAT WE ARE BUILDING ATTRACTIVE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND WE HAVE KIND OF A PRESCRIPTIVE APPROACH TO HOW, HOW IT LOOKS.
UM, WHEN WE REDID DAYTON'S CODE IN 2006, I MANAGED THAT PRO, THAT PROCESS.
WE WENT TO A MODIFIED FORM-BASED CODE.
UH, NO ONE WAS WILLING TO TAKE THE STEP TO GO WAY OUT HERE CUZ IT WAS A COMPLETE CHANGE.
BUT WE WENT TO A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN APPROACH, UH, ON OUR, ON OUR ZONING MAP, UH, AND MORE OF A CONTEXTUAL DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS RATHER THAN FOCUSING AS MUCH ON LAND USE.
THERE'S STILL A LAND USE COMPONENT TO IT, BUT IT'S LESS THAN IT WAS IN THE CODE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED IN THE EIGHTIES.
IT, IT CAN ATTRACT A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPER BECAUSE WHAT IS, IT'S PREDICTABLE ABOUT WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE.
SO THERE IS, UM, THERE IS LESS REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE COMING TO A BODY LIKE THIS OR COMING TO CITY COUNCIL TO WHERE YOU'RE MARCHING DOWN THE PATH AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE DECIDES THAT'S NOT THE PATH WE'RE HEADED DOWN AND THEY'VE SPENT ALL THAT TIME AND MONEY FOR NOTHING THAT REGULA THAT REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY HAS A COST TO IT.
UH, I THINK IT ALSO THEN OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MAYBE SMALLER DEVELOPERS AND ENTREPRENEURS WHO DON'T HAVE THOSE DEEP WALLETS THAT CAN AFFORD TO TAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LOSS BECAUSE WE CHANGED OUR MIND AT THE 11TH HOUR ON, ON WHATEVER IT IS.
OR WE HAVE THEM REDESIGNED X, Y, OR Z.
SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THE OPPORTUNITY COST BECOMES MORE PREDICTABLE AND THE FRICTION TENDS TO BE REDUCED.
I MEAN, I, THE ULTIMATE WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THE, THE MORE WE CAN REDUCE REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT WE WILL ELEVATE THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE GET WILL ALSO PROBABLY BROADEN THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WILLING TO, UM, OR, OR INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND AARON, YOU USED THE WORD ONE TIME, SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU, WHAT IS A UCLE CODE? YEAH.
SO, UH, THE EUCLID UH, ZONING CODE IS, UM, IS, IS KIND OF WHAT IS YOUR TRADITIONAL ZONING CODE WHERE YOU HAVE IT DEVELOPED.
UM, RESIDENTIAL LAND USES, COMMERCIAL LAND USES INDUSTRIAL LAND USES.
YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL, AN INDUSTRIAL, A COMMERCIAL, ET CETERA.
COMES FROM THE, UH, UH, EUCLID V AM REALTY COURT CASE OUT OF, UH, THE CLEVELAND AREA, WHICH, UM, UH, ESTABLISHED ZONING AS A, AS A LEGAL TOOL TO SEPARATE LAND USES.
AND SO WHAT WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE OF THAT? OR FORM BASED CODE WHERE WE CARE ABOUT, WE, WE CARE ABOUT THE INNER RELATIONSHIP TO HOW BUILDINGS AND THE ENVIRONMENT WORK.
SO THE PEDESTRIAN SCARE SCALE BUILDINGS, HOW THEY'RE ARRANGED ON THE SITE, THE HEIGHT, THE MASSING, THE FENESTRATION.
SO HOW THE BUIL, HOW LIKE, SAY THE WINDOWS ARE ALIGNED IN THE BUILDING.
WE CARE ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH THAT SPACE.
WE DON'T CARE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A BOOKSTORE,
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AN OFFICE OR SOMEBODY'S APARTMENT ON THE FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR.UM, SO OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UM, WE WOULD, AND WE MAY WANT TO REVERSE THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE APPETITE IS FOR UPDATING OUR CODE, BUT EITHER WAY, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM HERE.
UM, UPDATE SOME OF THOSE SMALL AREA PLANS, UH, EXPAND STAFF AND RESOURCES AND CAPACITY, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE A BANDWIDTH ISSUE.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, STAYING ON TOP OF, OF REVIEWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT IS PROVIDING THE RIGHT TOOLS FOR AT THE TIME PERIOD THAT, THAT WE'RE IN.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE OVERHAUL THE PLAN EVERY SEVEN OR 10 YEARS.
IT MEANS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SEE WHAT WOR IS WORKING WELL, WHAT ISN'T, AND THOSE AREAS THAT AREN'T, WE ADJUST APPROPRIATELY.
AND AARON, JUST AS A POINT OF COMMENT, I I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CROWDSOURCING BEHIND THIS PLAN WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL.
I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE STAFF TO CONTINUE TO, TO DO THAT AT LEAST EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS STILL SORT OF MEETING THE OBJECTIVES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS IN MIND.
WHAT, WHAT I DON'T HAVE IN HERE, BUT IN THE BACK OF THE PLAN IS, UM, IS A MATRIX OF IMPLEMENTATION STEPS.
WE CAN ALSO USE THAT AS A SCORECARD TO COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE TO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
IN YEAR ONE, WE CHECKED THESE THREE BOXES OFF IN YEAR TWO, WE'RE DOING X, Y, AND Z.
AND YEAR THREE WE'RE GONNA DO AS THAT FEEDBACK LOOP TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND SINCE YOU MENTIONED THE IMPLEMENTATION IMPLEMENTATION STEPS, THERE'S ONE OF 'EM THAT IS MENTIONED HERE THAT I QUESTION OKAY.
CREATE SPANISH TRANSLATION OF THE PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S GROWING IN THE REGION, UM, IN, UM, BUT IT IS THE MOST COMMON, UH, NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
UH, AND SO, AND THE COST TO TRANSLATE TO SPANISH HONESTLY ISN'T THAT MUCH.
UH, SO WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, AS FAR ASIDE FROM ENGLISH, THE SPANISH TRANSLATION WOULD BE THE MOST USEFUL FOR, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THE MOST USEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE IF WE TOOK THOSE FUNDS AND HELD ENGLISH SPEAKING CLASSES AND TEACH THESE PEOPLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH BECAUSE WE'RE AN ENGLISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY.
I'VE, I'M, I'M NOT IN IN A FAVOR OF THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALREADY DOING SOME SPANISH TRANSLATION, BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO LIVE ANYWHERE THAT YOU DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.
AND IF WE COULD TEACH THE LANGUAGE TO THE PEOPLE, BUT THEN THEY COULD COMMUNICATE, WE COULD COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH EACH OTHER.
SO THERE ARE PLENTY OF RESOURCES FOR ESL.
UM, BUT WE ALSO THINK THAT, UH, IT IS GOOD TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT, UM, IT IS, IT IS BETTER TO HAVE THAT IN A SECOND LANGUAGE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL, UM, ITEMS THAN ME AND MY REALLY BAD BROKEN SPANISH ENGLISH.
TRY TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WITH THAT EVERY WEEKEND I WORK IN A FOOD PANTRY.
AND, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A STRUGGLE.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE THERE TO TRANSLATE FOR YOU.
AND, AND WE DON'T WANT, WE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE IN DAYTON ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE WOULD BRING THEIR KIDS OUTTA SCHOOL YEAH.
TO COME TO A MEETING LIKE THIS CUZ THE KID WAS, WAS THEIR TRANSLATOR.
UH, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY, UM, ENABLING OR KEEPING KIDS FROM BEING IN SCHOOL.
OH, WELL, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT WE COULD BECOME THE COMMUNITY THAT TEACHES AND THOSE RESOURCES EXIST.
BUT NOT IN HUBER HEIGHTS SO MUCH.
SO WE'LL GET TO MY, UM, MY ANALYSIS
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AND RECOMMENDATION.UM, WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON THE BACK STRETCH HERE.
UM, SO THE, UH, SO THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES DRAW FROM THAT RICH HISTORY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AND RECOGNIZES THAT WE'VE EVOLVED FROM A, A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO A REGIONAL DESTINATION FOR ENTERTAINMENT, EMPLOYMENT, AND INNOVATION.
UH, THE PLAN DOES BUILD ON THE STRENGTHS AND TALENTS OF OUR RESIDENTS, UH, THE COMMUNITY ASSETS AND OUR LOCATIONAL ADVANTAGES.
UH, YOU CAN'T BEAT OUR LOCATIONAL ADVANTAGE NEXT TO, UH, RIGHT PATH 70 75.
UM, AS FAR AS THE MOBILITY PLAN, THE, UH, THE, THE PLAN BUILDS ON OUR CURRENT EFFORTS TO IMPROVE MOBILITY OPTIONS.
WE HAVE BEGUN BUILDING BIKE PATHS.
UH, WE'VE, UH, IN, IN THAT, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
AND IT ENCOURAGES THE CITY TO MODERNIZE OUR STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, REALLY OUR SUBDIVISION, UM, UH, STANDARDS.
THE LOOP CAN BE AN ECONOMIC ENGINE BY LINKING THE CITY NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE 340 MILE REGIONAL TRAIL NETWORK.
UH, UPDATING OUR STANDARDS AND AND EMPHASIZING CONNECTIVITY WILL CREATE GREAT CORRIDORS AND REDUCE CON CONGESTION AND ULTIMATELY, UH, REDUCE HOUSEHOLD TRANSPORTATION COSTS.
UM, THESE STREET SECTIONS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DEVELOPED, UM, AND ILLUSTRATING THIS PLAN ARE CONSISTENT WITH O DOT'S MULTIMODAL, UH, DESIGN GUIDE.
AND THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR ODOT FUNDING.
SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS ON THE, ON THE CITY'S, UH, POCKETBOOK.
UH, THE PLAN ALSO ENCOURAGES A COMMITMENT TO VISION ZERO, WHICH IS ZERO ROADWAY DESKS, BOTH, UH, VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN, UH, AND OUR STATE ROUTE, SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL'S BEST PRACTICES.
IT'S ALSO THE IDEA THAT THE STREETS ARE NOT JUST FOR MO.
THE, THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT JUST FOR, FOR MOVING VEHICLES, BUT ALSO FOR EN ENJOY ENJOYMENT IN THAT QUALITY OF LIFE.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO EMPHASIZE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER CONTEXT BUILDING DESIGN, AND PUT LESS EMPHASIS ON THE STRICT SEPARATION OF LAND USES.
UH, THE PLAN ADVOCATES FOR A HYBRID FORM-BASED DEVELOPMENT CODE, RATHER THAN, AS I, AS I DISCUSSED THAT OUR CURRENT EUCLID UM, ZONING CODE, THE PLAN ENCOURAGES A MORE EFFICIENT AND MARKET RESPONSIVE APPROACH TO LAND UTILIZATION, UH, ALLOWING SMALLER, LOTS LESS PARKING, AND A MORE NIMBLE LAND USE REGULATIONS, MORE NIMBLE LAND USE REGULATIONS AND PROCESSES.
UH, AGAIN, REDUCING THAT REGULATORY UNCERTAINTY, WHICH COMES AT A COST.
UH, AND THE PLAN RECOMMENDS A MORE ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHILE PLANS ARE BEING DEVELOPED TO FORMULATED AND REFINED.
AND, AND WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THOSE GOALS.
SO, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS UP FRONT, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONVERSATION HERE, UM, DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN PROCESS OVERALL, THIS PLAN CHARTS A PATH FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS THAT BUILDS UPON OUR PAST SUCCESSES, LEVERAGES THE OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, TO BUILD AHEAD, UH, A MULTI-DIMENSIONAL COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDES HOUSING, JOBS, AMENITIES, AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, UH, THAT THEY DEMAND AND DESERVE.
UH, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF THE, UH, 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I'VE TALKED A LOT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, JUST TONIGHT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS, IS THIS WHERE WE NEED TO PUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN OR FOR THE HOUSING, UM, JUST TO HAVE THAT LOOKED AT AND AUDITED AS PART OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? OR IS THAT A SEPARATE NO, I THINK I WOULD, UM, I WOULD PUT IT AS ONE OF THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STEPS ON NUMBER TWO AS FAR AS RE REFORMING THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE.
WE CAN ADD, UM, A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT CODES, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BEING ONE OF THEM AS WELL.
UM, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL WILL IT, IF WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, UH, IF, IF THAT IS AN AREA YOU WANT AHEAD, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND WE WILL, WE WILL INSERT IT IN THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
I MEAN, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO GROW AND CONTINUE TO, TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, NEW, YOU KNOW, NEW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND GROW WITH US, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OF WHAT'S EXPECTED.
AND, AND KIND OF LETTING THEM KNOW, THEY EXPECT WHEN THEY MOVE IN, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY NEED TO CUT THE GRASS, THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR HEDGES TRIMMED, THEY
ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A, UH, LANDLORD INSTEAD OF JUST MAKING HANDOVER FIST MONEY AND DOING NOTHING FOR THE PROPERTY.
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HOW DOES THE REST OF YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? OH YEAH.I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA AUDIT THE CODES.
IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING ALL THE OTHER CODES AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN THAT ONE'S BEEN REVIEWED.
I THINK THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTION AT LEAST, AT LEAST LOOK AT IT.
AND IS IT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE THAT THE CODE IS FINE, WE JUST AREN'T ENFORCING IT ENOUGH OR CONSISTENTLY ENOUGH.
IT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING TO ASSESS, TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE AT.
I THINK WE'VE ALL, I REALLY BELIEVE IT'S A, A PROBLEM, A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE A BIG COMPANY AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN LOCATED HERE.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST, NOT EVEN JUST, YEAH, IT'S NOT JUST THEM.
I THINK WE'VE ALL RUN INTO NEIGHBORLY ISSUES IN THE CITY SOMEWHERE POTENTIALLY THAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN.
AND WE COULD HAVE BEEN CONFUSED OR THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A LACK OF EXECUTION.
SO I THINK IT'S WORTH AT SOME DEPARTMENT TAKING A LOOK AT THE CODE, TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF, IF THE PROBLEM IS ENFORCEMENT.
AND I WOULD SAY TO THE EXTENT THAT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OUTLINE IN THIS PLAN ARE NOT GONNA BE ACHIEVED BY THE CODE THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
SO IS IT, WOULD THIS BE AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR, THE PLANNING DECISION RECORD? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SO, I MEAN, I THINK I'VE GOT THE, I'VE GOT THE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE DECISION RECORD, BY ALL MEANS, I THINK WE DO OKAY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, AS A CONDITION, UH, IN ADDITION TO, UH, REVIEWING THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION STANDARDS, WE ALSO REVIEW THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS OF THE CITY.
UH, MR. JEFF, YOU RIGHT AHEAD.
ONE MORE QUESTION, WHICH MIGHT BE A LESS THAN COMFORTABLE QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WE NEED STAFF, THERE'S A STRAIN ON STAFF.
WE'VE GOT SOME STAFF SHORTAGES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A WHILE.
AND WE'RE ALL THRILLED WITH THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE WITH US SINCE YOU'VE GOTTEN HERE, BUT YOU'RE CONTRACTED AND THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.
HOW DO WE, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, HOW DO WE HOLD THE CITY'S THE FUTURE CITY'S FEET TO THIS? SO I THINK IF THERE'S BUY-IN, UM, BY BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT THE, THE CODE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND UPDATED, UM, THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT THAT'D BE DONE IN HOUSE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE CONTRACTED OUT.
UM, CUZ THAT'S, THAT'S A SPECIALIZED, UH, I MEAN, I, I WRITE ZONING CODES, BUT, UH, YOU GOT ENOUGH WORK TO DO.
I, I, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE HIRED OUT BY A, A SEPARATE FIRM THAT HA THAT CAN DO THAT HEAVY LIFT THAT BRINGS IN THE GRAPHIC ABILITIES THAT BRINGS IN THE EXPERTISE ON THE FORM BASED SIDE.
WELL, I, I MEAN MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF, THAT, LIKE WE SAID, THIS KIND KIND OF SETS THE TONE AS PROJECTS COME TO THE CITY.
TO WHERE IN THE PAST I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE THAT IT, MAYBE IT WAS, MAYBE IT WASN'T, BUT WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT YEAH.
SO PART OF THAT IS MY INTENT IS TO REDO OUR ENTIRE STAFF REPORT PROCESS.
THAT WE WE'RE MORE DELIBERATE IN MAKING THE CONNECTIONS TO THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US TO THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHETHER IT MEETS 'EM, WHETHER IT DOESN'T, ET CETERA.
CUZ RIGHT NOW, THE, THE TEMPLATE THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T MENTION IT.
THAT'S, UH, AN AREA THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE ON.
MR. MORGAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THIS, THIS PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THERE'S ONE ON PAGE 84, ACTUALLY, IF YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, UHI REVISED ZONING SUCH THAT CITY STAFF MAY APPROVE THE MAJORITY OF DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN PROPOSALS AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND I'M WONDERING THAT THAT'S A LOT OF POWER TO GIVE TO ONE PERSON.
PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T MIND YOU HAVING THAT POWER, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE FOREVER AND WHAT THE NEXT PERSON WOULD BE LIKE.
AND, AND I, I REALLY QUESTION WHY YOU HAVE THAT 30.
SO JUST TELL ME WHY IT'S IN THERE
SO, UM, IT'S IN THERE BECAUSE IF, UH, THE CODE IS, IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN, UM, IT IS ALMOST FORMULAIC IN, IN, IN ITS APPROACH.
AND SO THE, THE STAFF PERSON WHO IS DOING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW CAN TICK THROUGH THE ITEMS OF THE CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE PLAN MEETS THOSE, THOSE ELEMENTS.
THERE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT WHEN, WHEN WE GO, AS I ENVISION THIS, AS WE GO THROUGH A A CODE REWRITE, THERE WILL BE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT,
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THAT REQUIRE MORE OF A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS IN, IN, IN FRONT OF A BODY SUCH AS THIS THAN THAN OTHER AREAS.AND SO IT'S THOSE, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE A HIGHER, THEY ARE THERE THERE OF MORE IMPORTANCE.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE MAIN COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
UM, THOSE PROBABLY SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY A, A BODY SUCH A A AS, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE AREAS THE, THAT ARE THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS OR THE, THE SMALLER COMMERCIAL AREAS, UM, STAFF CAN USUALLY JUST HANDLE THAT IF THE CODE IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT YIELDS A QUALITY DESIGN.
WHERE WE HAVE PROBLEMS IS WHERE THE CODE, THE CODE ENCOURAGES GARBAGE DESIGN.
UM, I'M SPEAKING IN GENERALITIES.
IF A CODE IS, UH, HAS VERY FEW, UM, AESTHETIC STANDARDS AND IT'S JUST ONE THAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE THIS TALL, UM, THIS WIDE, THIS FAR SET BACK FROM THE STREET AND CAN ONLY BE THIS USE, WELL, YOU MIGHT JUST GET A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING THAT MEETS ALL THE DEFINITIONS OF THE CODE.
BUT WHEN SOMEBODY GOES BY, THEY'RE LIKE, GONNA BE, WHO APPROVED THIS? WELL, THE CODE ALLOWS IT.
UM, SO, SO WHERE, WHERE WE HEAD IS A CODE THAT BY ITS NATURE DELIVERS QUALITY PRODUCT.
AND WHEN THAT'S THE CASE, WHEN THE CODE DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, YOU DON'T NEED STAFF CAN GO THROUGH AND APPROVE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE PRODUCT AT THE END THAT'S DESIGNED BY THE ARCHITECT OR THE ENGINEER, WHOEVER ALREADY IS A GOOD PRODUCT BECAUSE THE CODE ENABLES IT TO BE.
THAT'S OUR LONG ANSWER TO SAYING THAT, UM, IF THE CODE IS DONE RIGHT, UM, STAFF, PROFESSIONAL STAFF, UM, IS, IS HAS ALL OF THE CAPABILITIES TO, TO REVIEW, UM, 80% OF OF THE, OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH THAT OTHER 20% ARE PROBABLY IN AREAS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, UH, HIGHER TOUCH POINTS.
UM, IT'S WHERE WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF INVESTMENTS.
IT'S A HIGH, UH, TRAFFICKED CORRIDOR.
UH, IT'S AN AREA UNDER TRANSITION THAT MAYBE WE WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH.
AND IT'S REQUIRES MORE THAN ONE SET OF EYES.
UM, SO IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL BUT IN, BUT RIGHT NOW, ANY PRODUCT, ANY DEVELOPMENT OVER FIVE ACRES IS REVIEWED BY COMMITTEE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE REQUIRES.
ANYTHING OVER FIVE ACRES HAS TO BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND IN MANY CASES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING NECESSARILY A BETTER PRODUCT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING, UH, A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN AN R SIX.
SO IS THIS, IS THIS A CHANGE OR IS JUST AN ADDITION TO, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A CHANGE.
WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S A PHILOSOPHY THAT THE CODE SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THIS INTERPRETATION DONE BY COMMITTEE.
THAT IT SHOULD, BY ITS NATURE RESULT IN A HIGH QUALITY PRODUCT AT THE STAFF LEVEL, AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
I, I DO, WHILE THERE'S A LAW HERE, I DO WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK, UM, THE STAFF THAT WORKED ON THIS, SARAH AND, AND, UH, JERRY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THIS OTHER CITY STAFF WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE UH, BEEN THROUGH, THROUGH THIS SLOG OF A PROCESS, UH, AS WELL AS THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UH, AND THEN, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL AND THE 4,800 PEOPLE THAT WE DIRECTLY, UH, INTERACTED WITH OVER THE, THE LAST YEAR.
I WAS LOOKING THROUGH HERE FOR THERE, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I'VE READ SEVERAL TIMES AND, AND IT KIND OF GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE CITY CO UH, NOT CODE THE, UH, OUR LOGO.
SO THERE IS, UM, SARAH CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN ME.
THERE IS, I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION ONGOING ABOUT CHANGING UP THE CITY BRANDING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT COME GROW WITH US.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY THE MOTTO PER SE, BUT JUST TO HAVE A A A, A REFRESHED BRAND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
THAT, THAT SPEAKS TO A BROADER AUDIENCE.
WHERE IS THAT? IT'S ON THE DOORMAT.
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IT'S RIGHT THERE.IT'S RIGHT THERE IS THAT, IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT OF YOUR PEDESTAL.
OH, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
IT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE PODIUM.
AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.
AND THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE, UM, THE CODE, UH, REWRITE AS WHETHER OR NOT SUCH A EMPHASIS ON BRICK AND STONE IS AS WARRANTED AS IT AS IT IS.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MORE CONTEMPORARY, UM, AESTHETIC IN CERTAIN AREAS? UM, BUT THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION WOULD COME OUT AS PART OF, UH, THE CODE REWRITE PROCESS.
CUZ THAT'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS.
I KNOW A LOT OF THAT CAME FROM WHENEVER VINYL FIRST CAME OUT, IT REALLY WAS NOT QUALITY.
AND A LOT OF HOMES THAT HAD VINYL ON THEM HAD A BIG PROBLEM.
AND NO, I MEAN THE, THE ORIGINAL ITERATION OF VINYL, IT, IT WARPED IN THE SUN.
UH, IF IT GOT WINDY, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD.
UM, THE, THE VINYL PRODUCT IS BETTER TODAY, ESPECIALLY THE INSULATED VINYL PRODUCT, UH, IS IS BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY.
SO THERE I THINK IT'S WORTH A CONVERSATION.
BUT DIDN'T OUR BRICK COME FROM CHARLES HUBER INITIALLY? HE BUILT ALL BRICK HOMES.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE LIKE THE BRICK.
YOU KNOW, IT STILL LINKS US BACK TO THE, THE HISTORY OF HUBER.
UM, SO AT LEAST FOR ME, THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO STILL SEE BRICK OR STONE OR, UH, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT INCORPORATED.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE AN ALL VINYL HOME OR, UM, IN, IN, IN ALL TRANSPARENCY, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO, UH, OR TASKED TO, UM, LOOK AT OUR BRICKSTONE ELEMENT IN THE, IN THE CODE.
UH, IT PUNISHES THE, THE CODE RIGHT NOW PUNISHES, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL, IF THEY JUST WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE BY THEMSELVES, THAT HOUSE HAS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK VERSUS THE DEVELOPERS WHO WE'RE WORKING WITH IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AT THE MOST, WE'VE REQUIRED 20, 25%.
UM, AND SO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING HERE, UH, IN THE NEXT WEEKS OR SO IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BRICK ELEMENTS, REACHING BACK TO OUR HISTORY, IS THAT A DESIGN? UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT IT AS A DESIGN, UM, ACCENT? UH, OR ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING 100% BRICK OR STONE? UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN HOLDING DEVELOPERS TOO.
UM, WHICH I THINK, UH, PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU COULD BUILD A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING AND IT MEETS OUR CODE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE WANT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT LOOKS LIKE A DOOMSDAY PREPPER COMPOUND
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THE SIGN STILL EXISTS? THAT WAS OUT ON THE INTERSTATE FOR THE LONGEST TIME? LARGEST COMMUNITY OF BRICK HOMES? IT, I'M TOLD IT DOES.
IT'S JUST, UH, I'M TOLD IT DOES TOO, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEHIND ONE OF THE SOUND WALLS.
IT'S BEHIND ONE OF THE SOUND WALLS.
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT AS YOU GET PAST TEXAS ROADHOUSE IF YOU'RE YEAH, TOTALLY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE OHIO IS, BUT BECAUSE I 70 COMES THROUGH HUBER HEIGHTS, THEY'VE SEEN THAT SIGN.
IT'S LARGEST COMMUNITY OF BRICK HOMES.
IT'S JUST AMAZING TO ME BECAUSE WE'RE SUCH A SMALL PLACE.
SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, THE CODE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT IS A DIRECT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY VALUE AESTHETIC.
AND IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY.
WELL, I, BUT I'M NOT AGAINST JUST USING IT AS AN ACCENT.
IT IS UNFAIR TO FORCE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO BUILD A HOME TO BE ALL BRICK.
UM, I MEAN, THE COST OF THAT ALONE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT.
LIKE WE'RE HOLDING THE DEVELOPERS, BUT WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE? YEAH.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA BE BRINGING FORWARD IS, UM, VARIOUS ELEVATIONS THAT SHOW THE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES SO THAT WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS LOOKS ABOUT RIGHT, THIS IS TOO LITTLE, THIS IS TOO MUCH.
IT'S THE THREE LITTLE PIG APPROACH.
INSTEAD OF SAYING BRICK OR STONE, JUST SAY NATURAL MATERIALS IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING LIKE CUSTOM HOMES AND HARDY PLANK AND CREEK BOARD.
AND SO I WOULD NOT DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT YOU GET IS YOU GET HARDY PLAQUE PLANK LAP SIDING, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY A, A NATURAL AND MASONRY PRODUCT, BUT DOESN'T HAVE THE AESTHETIC OF LIKE A DRY LAID STONE LOOK OR A BRICK LOOK.
BUT I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING ISN'T THAT THE MORE MODERN APPROACH IS
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THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND HARDY PLANK FITS THE BILL BECAUSE IT'S MO IT'S NATURAL MATERIAL INSTEAD OF BRICK OR STONE DEFINED.BECAUSE HARDY PLANK IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS A BRICK WRAP.
SO WHAT WE, UM, I I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER BE ADVOCATING THAT YOU HAVE TO USE LIMESTONE FOUNDATIONS, UM, OR DRY, YOU KNOW, A WET LAID LIMESTONE FOUNDATION.
BUT YOU CAN USE THE, I'LL CALL IT LICK AND STICK, BUT BASICALLY THE, THE, UM, THE VENEER.
THE, THE BRICK STONE VEER APPROACH, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY IS DOING.
UM, JAMES HARDY, I THINK IS THE COMPANY THEY MAKE A STONE TACK ON.
UM, VENEER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, STATEMENTS FOR STAFF? GREAT JOB.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE COMING FORWARD?
THANK YOU AARON FOR PRESENTATION.
SO IF YOU WOULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.
AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED JEN SK WHAT'S SHE SIGN NOW GO.
UH, THANK YOU AARON FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU SARAH, FOR BEING THE HEART AND SOUL OF THIS PROJECT.
I WAS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT WHAT WE DID WAS A LOT OF HARD WORK.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALK, TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I SPENT MANY SATURDAYS SIDE BY SIDE WITH SARAH REACHING OUT TO THE PEOPLE.
YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF CROWDSOURCING AND INPUT HERE.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT I WAS ALSO SURPRISED AT THE LOW ATTENDANCE AT SOME OF THE EVENTS AT THE LOW RESPONSE RATE.
UM, I AM A HEAVILY INVOLVED LEADER IN A LOCAL COMMUNITY, NOT HUBER.
UM, AND I THINK IF THE COMMITTEE WERE TO ADOPT THIS PLAN AND TO CONTINUE OUTREACHING TO ITS RESIDENTS, YOU WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION.
UM, ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF MY HOA WERE BEYOND THRILLED AT THE CONCEPT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, FOUR 14 AND A HALF MILE, 15 MILE LOOP.
THEY THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
UM, THEY HAVE ASKED ME OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHY HUBER HAS NOT LINKED TO THE BIKE PATHS.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WHO OF THIS COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
UM, IT'S WHAT YOUR RESIDENTS WANT AND IF YOU WANT YOUR RESIDENTS TO BE ENGAGED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM.
AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR AND A COMMENT I HAD NOT PLANNED ON MAKING.
UM, I I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRANSLATE TO SPANISH AND I WOULD ARGUE YOU PROBABLY NEED TURKISH AS WELL.
I LIVE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS AND A MAJORITY OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE NOT PRIMARY ENGLISH SPEAKERS.
AND I THINK IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE FURTHER INVOLVEMENT AND TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LOOK AND TALK JUST LIKE US, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING MR. JEFFRIES? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR ADOPTION OF THE 2023 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CASE ZONING OR Z C 2306 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY, 2020 SECOND, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED MOVED BY MR. CASSIDY.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VAGO? SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UH, FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? WHAT'S NEXT IS, UH, WE WILL, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD TO, WE'LL MAKE THE REVISIONS THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, UH, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE IT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, UH, IN ADOPTION.
UH, AND, AND THEN WE'LL START WITH A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BEGIN THE, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THERE.
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES, UH, WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS.UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 14TH, 2023 WOULD BE ADOPTED.
UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS REPORT AND CALENDAR REVIEW, MR. CRELL? YES.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING YOUR WAY ON, UH, THE 14TH.
UM, THE, THERE IS A REZONING OF THE LAND BEHIND CAMPING WORLD.
UM, IT IS THE APPLICANT IS WISHING TO CONSTRUCT A, UH, A CAMPGROUND BACK THERE, AN RV, UH, IN, I DON'T THINK ANY PRIMITIVE CAMPING, BUT MAINLY AN RV, UH, CAMPGROUND AND DESTINATION.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE REZONING WOULD GO FROM PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO AGRICULTURE.
UH, CAMPGROUNDS ARE CONDITIONAL, EXCUSE ME, A SPECIAL USE, UH, IN THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD THEN COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.
UM, ONCE THE THE SITE PLANS ARE, ARE FLESHED OUT, THERE'S SOME LITTLE BIT OF CHALLENGES.
NO, THERE ARE NO WITH, THERE'S ALL OF THOSE ROADS BACK THROUGH THERE ARE ALL PRIVATE.
THERE'S, UH, VERY LITTLE PUBLIC, UH, RIGHT AWAY ACCESS.
SO, UM, WORKING WITH THAT APPLICANT ON, UH, WHAT KIND OF FIRE ACCESS THEY'RE GONNA NEED, UM, ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD.
UM, THE REZONING WILL BE COMING FIRST FROM PLAIN COMMERCIAL TO AGRICULTURE, BACK TO AGRICULTURE.
THEN SUBSEQUENTLY AT A FUTURE DATE WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN FOR, FOR A CAMPGROUND.
AND DID YOU SAY IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURE? IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
BEFORE THAT, I BELIEVE IT WAS ZONED AGRICULTURE.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROCK QUARRY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WILDCAT.
UM, THIS LAND IS, IS PRETTY ROCKY.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECOND PHASE TO THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
I THINK THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T GET BUILT.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREAT USES FOR THIS LAND.
THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A BAD USE, AGAIN, BEHIND CAMPING WORLD.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY WILL HAVE TO HAVE TO JUDGE.
UM, INITIALLY, UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION IN, SO THAT WILL, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN GREAT DETAIL.
UM, BUT THAT WILL BE COMING ON THE 14TH.
UM, SECOND CASE WILL BE A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CORNER OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND PIKE FOR A, UH, A SHEETZ CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION.
YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME DESIGN, DIFFERENT LOCATION.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT WILL BE THERE.
UH, WHAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT WHAT WILL BE IN YOUR PACKET IS AN INFORMAL REVIEW FOR, WE JUST MET WITH THE APPLICANTS TODAY.
UH, AND I'VE ENCOURAGED THEM TO COME FOR AN INFORMAL REVIEW.
IT'S FOR A, UH, A FLYING ACES AT BRANT PIKE.
UM, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUES OF, UH, MARY LEEWAY, UH, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCERNS, UM, 60% OF THE USERS, UH, HAVE THE SUBSCRIPTION PACKAGE, THEY BELIEVE.
AND, AND THEY'VE, THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD EVIDENCE OF THIS ELSEWHERE THAT, UH, A SECOND LOCATION WILL SIGNIFICANTLY RELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF USAGE AT THE MERRILY WAY, UM, SITE.
SO THEY WILL BE, UM, BRINGING IN THEIR DATA.
UM, THEY USE WHAT WE USE IT TO.
UM, THEY HAVE A, A, A DATA HOUSE SERVICE CALLED PLACER AI.
UM, IT IS A, BASICALLY IT'S A COMPANY THAT TRACKS PEOPLE'S CELL PHONES.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
UM, IT'S USED QUITE A BIT IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, UH, RETAIL STUDIES, SO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE COMING FROM, WHERE THEY'RE ORIGINATING FROM, WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
SO THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SO THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE, WHO OWN, WHO HAS ALL OF THE, THE SUBSCRIPTION PACKAGES.
THEY BELIEVE THAT, UM, THIS CR UH, BUILDING THIS FACILITY ON BRANT PIKE WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY RELIEVE A LOT OF THE, THE USAGE ON THOSE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS THAT ARE WARM AFTER WE HAVE A, A, A SNOW STORM THAT EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR CAR WASHED THAT CAUSE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, OF HEADACHE.
UM, WE'RE OUT ON, I'M SORRY, UM,
UM, THE, UH, WAS IT, UH, BANK ONE, FIFTH THIRD, THE, THE EMPTY BANK IN FRONT OF WALMART.
RIGHT NEXT TO BOB EVANS, RIGHT? YES.
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THINK WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME, MAYBE SOME SITE DESIGN WORK.UM, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE THAT TRAFFIC BACKED UP.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT THEY HAVE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS WITH WALMART AND ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WOULD BACK UP INTO THE PARKING LOT, NOT ONTO BRAND AND NOT ONTO THE ACCESS ROAD.
AN ENGLEWOOD COULD, ENGLEWOOD OHIO, THEIR SETUP IS VERY SIMILAR IN THE EWOOD DOESN'T, OR WALMART DOESN'T FILL THAT LOT FULL ANYHOW.
SO YEAH, JUST A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT FOR THE SIZE OF WALMART THAT, THAT'S THERE.
JUST A QUESTION THEN, I MEAN, IS THERE, JUST IN THE PLANNING SIDE, JUST, UH, AS A QUESTION AHEAD OF TIME WITHOUT SEEING ANYTHING? CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DESIGN THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. CASY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, WHERE IT BACKS UP INTO ANOTHER LOT, BUT IF WE'RE NOT USING THAT LOT AND WE KNOW IT BACKS UP, OR IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BACKUP, DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS SOMETHING AT THE NEXT MEETING OF POSSIBLY PUSHING THE PARKING ISLANDS BACK AND EXTENDING THAT ROADWAY TO HELP FOR EXTRA STAGING? I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TIGHT THIS FIT IS GONNA BE, BUT I DON'T WANNA SIT THERE AND LOOK BACK LATER AND SAY, MAN, IT WAS MERRI LEEWAY AGAIN.
YEAH, NO, SO, SO THIS SITE IS PROBABLY THE WAY, AGAIN, I I I WOULD LIKE THEM TO CHANGE THEIR, THEIR DESIGN.
UM, CUZ THIS IS THE SECOND CAR WASH THAT'S LOOKED AT THIS SITE.
UM, AND WE, WE, WE MOVED THE FIRST CAR WASH TO A DIFFERENT DESIGN.
THEY, UH, I GUESS THEY COULDN'T AGREE ON THE PRICE OR, OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY NEVER MOVED FORWARD.
UM, THIS SITE PROVIDES PRO AT LEAST TWICE THE STACKING AMOUNT THAN MERRI LEE WADE DOES.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO BLOCK OFF THE ENTRANCE OR EXIT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE CARWASH ONTO THAT TO THE SIDE STREET SO THAT YOU, ALL OF THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE FORCED INTO THE WALMART SITE THEN BACK AROUND.
SO IT WOULD, WE'D HAVE A LOT OF QUEUING THAT COULD, COULD TAKE PLACE THERE.
SO I'M, IF THERE'S A SITE THAT HAS, UH, THE, THE GREATEST POTENTIAL TO QUEUE FOR THOSE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS THAT ARE JUST A DISASTER, THIS IS THE SITE.
I WAS DOWN THERE NOT TOO LONG AGO, UM, AND I CAN I SEE HOW INGLEWOOD STACKS THEIRS AT THE MYERS.
AND IT WAS A WARM DAY AND IT WAS BUSY AND IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ANY OF THE ROAD, ANY OF THAT MAIN STREET OR EVEN THE EXITS.
UM, THE WAY THEY STACKED IT AND STAGED IT.
SO, SO THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD TODAY WERE, YOU'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM DOWN THE STREET, SO BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, WE'RE LESS THRILLED ABOUT THE, UM, VACUUM HOSES BEING THE DOMINANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON BRANT PIKE.
SO FIGURE THAT OUT RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY, UH, AND FIGURE OUT YOUR STACKING.
SO, UM, THEY, AND, AND WAS MY SUGGESTION TO COME HERE AS AN INFORMAL REVIEW TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE STEPS THEY NEED TO TAKE TO ASSUAGE THE, THE FEARS AND THE CONCERNS THAT THIS IS NOT MELY 2.0 ISN'T THERE, UM, OH, SORRY.
UH, IN FRONT OF OR BEHIND THE BANK.
THERE'S, THERE'S A BASICALLY A DRAINAGE SWALE THAT RUNS SOUTH.
UM, AND SO SOME, SOME OF MY, SOME OF, EXCUSE ME, SOME OF WALMART'S PARKING LOT DRAINS INTO THERE.
A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, THIS SITE DRAINS INTO THERE.
UH, YEAH, THERE'S TECHNICALLY A CONSERVATION.
CONSERVATION, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
THAT WAS, I I THINK IT WAS A TRADE OFF FROM SOMETHING.
IT, IT'S BASICALLY A, A, AN OVERGROWN DRAINAGE DITCH NOW.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS OUR CONSERVATION AREAS, THAT THERE'S AN IDEA THAT YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM AT ALL.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE AND KEEP THEM.
SO NOT ONLY CHOKE EACH OTHER OUT, WE ALSO, IT CAN BLOCK, IT CAN, UH, BACK UP THE, THE DRAINAGE, UH, AREAS, WHICH COMPLETELY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.
SO WOULD YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THAT OR CAN THEY BUILD A ROAD? IT'S SET UP, IT'S THE, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE SET UP THAT, THAT WON'T BE IN THE WAY.
OH, I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE NO, THERE THERE'RE BRAKES.
SO THAT'S, UH, I THINK THE 14TH WILL BE, UM, CAN TURN THAT BUILDING DOWN.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING? UM,
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MR. JUST ONE, JEFF, ONE THING.CAUSE WE'VE BROUGHT IT UP PLENTY BEFORE AND I, I SAW 'EM SETTING UP THE OTHER DAY AND THEN I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO POLICE RURAL KING
SO HOW FAR ARE WE FROM THE EMERGENCY ROOM BREAKING GROUND? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THAT FIXES THAT AND DOESN'T THAT BRING THEM BACK TO US FOR THEIR REVIEW OF THEIR P U D, WHICH HELPS US ADDRESS THE PROBLEM? SO I WOULD SAY, UM, THAT INFORMALLY THE EMERGENCY ROOM MAY BE ON HOLD.
UM, I HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT THEIR STATUS AND UM, THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY'LL GET BACK TO ME AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR THEM TO GET BACK TO ME.
AND IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS MAYBE.
SO DO WE HAVE ALL OF OUR SIGNED AGREEMENTS OVER AT THE MARION MEADOWS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AWAY IN EASEMENTS THAT WE NEEDED? UH, ALMOST MOST
SO WHEN WE GET THAT SIGNED, CAN WE REQUEST AN IMMEDIATE AUDIT OF THE P U D OF ROYAL KING SINCE EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON HOLD OF THEIR P U D SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING IT BEFORE AND WE HELD OFF BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING GOING ON.
SO, UM, WE WENT BACK THROUGH AND LOOKED AT THE P U D OF WHAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, THEY'RE EXPANDING IT AGAIN RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WHAT THEY ARE EXPANDING INTO WAS ACTUALLY WHAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, WE RENEWED THEIR, UM, THEIR OUTDOOR STORAGE LICENSE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
UM, AND, AND THEY KNOW THE AREA THAT IS DELINEATED TO WHICH THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO IT'S ALRIGHT.
I'D, I'D BE CURIOUS ON ONE SPECIFIC ONE THEN IF THEY ARE APPROVED TO PUT THOSE CEMENT BLOCKS UP TO BLOCK THE TRAFFIC THAT HAD THE RIGHT OF WAYS TO CUT THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT.
AND THEY ARE EXPANDING TO THE SAME PLACE THAT IT WAS BEFORE, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP BEFORE THEY WENT AND PUT ALL THEIR PLANTS OUT THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL SIT DOWN AND CHAT.
I'LL CHAT WITH, WITH DON, BUT UM, YEAH, I WOULD JUST GET IT ON THEIR RADAR NOW.
UM, THE, THE, UM, EMERGENCY ROOM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON.
THEY HAVE, UH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY MOVEMENT THERE.
LIKE AN ENVELOPE OR SOMETHING.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T HAVE NOTICED THAT YOU PUT IT UP.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU NOTICED IT? ONLY A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
THEY BROUGHT THEIR PANELS OUT AND THE PANELS WOULDN'T FIT INTO THE FRAME.
SO THEY'VE GOT THE TEMPORARY BAG.
I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS THEIR WAY OF DOING SOMETHING.
SO MUCH BETTER THEY'VE DONE FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT'S, IT'S THE SIGN FROM HELL ENVELOPE OVER THE, THEY THEY BROUGHT OUT NEW, UH, NEW PANELS AND ONE OF THE INSTALLERS BROKE ONE OF THE PANELS AND SO THEN THEY HAD TO HAVE 'EM REFABRICATED, IT WAS FABRICATED THE WRONG SIZE,
AND NOW WE'RE, THIS IS TRY NUMBER THREE.
BUT ANYWAY, I, I NOTICED THAT AND I THOUGHT, OOH, IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER.
ANYONE ELSE? YOU STAYING ADJOURNED?