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YOU SATURDAY AT SEVEN 30 AND[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road February 14, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
YOU WILL PROBABLY, SO JET SHALL CALL, MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.MR. CASSIE, YOUR HAND, REPEAT AFTER ME.
I, DAVID CASSIE, DO YOU SOLEMN, SWEAR OR AFFIRM? I, DAVID CASSIE, DO, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO, TO SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF OHIO, THE CHARTER OF ALL ORDINANCES OF THE CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CHARTER OF ALL ORDINANCES OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
IN THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY, I WILL FAITHFULLY, HONESTLY, AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES, DISCHARGE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ALL RIGHT, MR. JEFFRIES? HERE.
OPENING REMARKS BY THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSION.
I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY,
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, SAY HELLO TO MR. CASSIDY, AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF, SIR? SURE.
SO, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION.
HAVE BEEN PART OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, SINCE 2017.
HAVE A BACKGROUND IN RISK MANAGEMENT, AND SO LOOKING TO LEARN A LOT AND HOPEFULLY ADD A LITTLE AT THE SAME TIME.
IS THERE ANY OTHER OPENING REMARKS? I'M LAUGHING AT AARON.
OH, BECAUSE HE PUTS HIS JACKET ON AND THEN TURNS AROUND, TAKES IT RIGHT BACK OFF.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
ALSO, AT THE TIME WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, WILL YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET? PROVIDED OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS, EXCUSE ME, IS REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IN METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS, L T D, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL, REZONING TO PM PLAN, MIXED USE, AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED NEW 320 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 68 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, BDP 2302.
UM, MEMBERS OF P PLANNING COMMISSION, I VALENTINE'S DAY.
UH, AARON SORELL WITH THE CITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
SO THIS IS A, UH, REQUEST FOR A REZONING AND A, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, THE SITING QUESTION IS A 25.3 ACRES.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UH, MUCH OF THE AREA, UM, SORT OF THIS SITE HEADING EAST TOWARDS BRANT, UH, IS ZONED PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UH, THAT ZONING IS KIND OF VACILLATED OVER THE YEARS AS THIS AREA HAS TRIED TO DECIDE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, AND CERTAINLY HAS EVOLVED INTO A BURGEONING, UH, COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
UM, THE ADJACENT LAND TO THE WEST IS ZONED.
I ONE, IT'S BEING CLEARED RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
THE AREA TO THE NORTH IS R SEVEN, WHICH IS OUR HIGHEST DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
UH, EAST IS PLANNED EMPLOYMENT, AS I MENTIONED, SOUTH IS ALSO PLANNED EMPLOYMENT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, REZONING TO, UH, PLAN MIXED USE, UH, AND THE APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT UP TO 300, UH, AND 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND FOUR ACRES OF COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, UH, SPACE.
SO THE APPLICANT, JUST SO SOME BACKGROUND, UH, IS THE, UH, DEVELOPER OF PARKVIEW APARTMENTS AT THE NEAR THE, UH, INTERSECTION OF, UM, BRANT AND EXECUTIVE.
HE'S VERY, THEIR COMPANY IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
PARKVIEW IS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT MOMENTUM.
UM, PROJECT FEELS AN UNMET MET HOUSING NEED, UH, IN HUBER HEIGHTS AS FAR AS A DIFFERENT VARIETY, UH, OF THE, UH, OF HOUSING TYPE.
AND IT HELPS DEVELOP THAT CRITICAL MASS OF, UH, HOUSEHOLDS TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES.
SO THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION, REALLY JUST NORTH OF, OF THE ROSE, ALSO
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KNOWN AS THE NEUBAUER FARM OR NEUBAUER SITE.UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT ALMOST, UH, THE, UH, AREA TO THE NORTH IS ALL R SEVEN TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST IS LARGELY P E P TO THE WEST IS INDUSTRIAL.
UM, MR. JEFFRIES, LAST TIME WE HAD A, UH, A CASE IN THIS AREA, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS TO THE AREA, TO THE EAST OF IT.
UM, THERE IS, UH, PROBABLY A, A HIGH LIKELIHOOD WE WILL ADJUST THESE BOUNDARIES, UM, TO CAPTURE THIS FOUR ACRE AREA IF THE REZONING AND, UM, UH, AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF THIS, UH, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT MOVED FORWARD.
RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY USER THAT'S BENEFITING FROM THE C E D IS, UH, IS TJ CHMS. SO THIS IS THE SITE, UH, ON EXECUTIVE LOOKING EAST.
THIS IS THE SITE LOOKING WEST.
AS I SAID, IT'S, UH, RIGHT NOW IN, UH, IN, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY FARMED.
THERE IS A, UH, THERE'S A CREEK THAT BISECTS THE SITE.
SO YOU HAVE REALLY, UH, NORTH IN A, IN A SOUTH AREA.
SO AS FAR AS THE REZONING ANALYSIS, UM, THIS AREA HAS BEEN EVOLVING FROM AN EMPLOYMENT PARK, AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, I NATURE.
UH, YEARS AGO ALMOST THIS ENTIRE STRIP WAS ZONED, UH, INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST OF HERE.
UM, BUT THAT'S BEEN EVOLVING OVER THE YEARS.
WE HAD, UH, THE ROSE RECENTLY WARP WING IS MOVING IN HERE, TJ CHUMPS.
UM, AND SO THAT HAS REALLY SHIFTED MORE TO A COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT DIS AREA.
UM, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS IS A, THE GROW AND ENHANCED CHARACTER AREA, WHICH WHERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USES SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.
UH, AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED.
UM, LOW DENSITY WITH WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AROUND SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL IS ABOUT 14 UNITS AN ACRE.
SO IT'S A MUCH HIGHER, UH, DENSITY THAN IS THAT AS PROPOSED.
UM, SO STAFF FEELS THAT, UH, AS FAR AS THE REZONING, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE REZONING FROM PLAN EMPLOYMENT PARK TO PLAN MIXED DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT.
UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, IT DOES PROVIDE FOUR ACRES OF MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, AND PROVIDES A HIGHER DENSITY, UH, HOUSING PRODUCT NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THAT, UH, RETAIL COMPONENT OF THE DISTRICT.
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ZONING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UM, ON ONE OF THE MAPS THAT WE HAVE, IT SHOWS A, UM, EXISTING STREAM CROSSING MM-HMM.
IT'S BASICALLY, UH, ABOUT A 50 INCH PIPE.
UM, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE STREAM.
SO THE PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS WOULD NORMALLY GO INTO A PLACE LIKE THAT, OR WHAT'S BEEN THE GOALS? YEAH, SO THE IDEA OF THE PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK WAS THINK OF, UH, YOUR TRADITIONAL, LIKE, UM, SUBURBAN OFFICE PARK, UH, MEDICAL USES, OFFICE USES, CLUSTERED TOGETHER IN KIND OF A CAMPUS LIKE STYLE.
UM, FROM MY RESEARCH IN THIS AREA, FROM LOOKING AT THROUGH THE CASE FILES, UM, THIS WAS ZONE INDUSTRIAL, THEN IT WAS ZONE EMPLOYMENT PARK BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS FOR A, A, YOU KNOW, A MASSIVE OF JOBS, UM, NON-INDUSTRIAL JOBS, THE CITY THEN WHEN THE, THE ROSE WAS COMING TO FRUITION, UM, WANTED ADDITIONAL CONTROL OVER THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO ALL OF THIS AREA WAS THEN REZONED TO PLANNED IN EMPLOYMENT PARK, WHICH GIVES THE CITY, UM, BASICALLY A SAY OF EACH TYPE OF USE IN EACH TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SINCE THIS TIME TJ CHUMPS HAS, HAS GONE IN, UH, AS A, AS A RETAIL USE, WE'VE HAD, UH, A VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE, UH, SPARKED INTEREST IN THIS AS A COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL AND HOUSING, UM, COMPONENT.
IN 2016, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, UH, UH, OF A, OF A SHOPPING CENTER ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHERE THAT COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT BOUNDARY CAME, CAME ABOUT, UM, THAT FELL THROUGH.
UH, AND SO OVER THE TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS AREA, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS KIND OF A, UM, AN ORGANIC MOVE, THERE'S BEEN AN ORGANIC MOVEMENT AWAY FROM AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER TO HOUSING, WORKING AND PLAYING KIND OF A WHOLE MIXED USE AREA.
AND SO BETWEEN 2016 AND NOW, WE'VE NOT SEEN ANY SIMILAR INTERESTS WE HAVE.
THERE WAS A, A NON, SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, NOT ON THIS SITE PARTICULARLY.
UM, LAST YEAR THERE WAS A, UH,
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PROPOSAL FOR THE FARM NEXT TO IT, TO THE EAST.UM, THE DENSITY, UM, FOR ON THE HOUSING COMPONENT WAS TOO LOW, AND IT WAS BASICALLY SHOT DOWN BY, IT WAS NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE CRITICAL MASS IN THE DENSITY WAS, WAS THERE.
SO THEY, UH, THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPER IS, IS, UH, RETUNING THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
AND I ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS, UH, PROPOSING, WHICH IS, IS MORE OF A MIXED USE, A HIGHER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO CREATE THAT CRITICAL MASS NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO, UM, MS. MR. CASSIDY, RIGHT? YES.
JUST SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THE WAY OUR, UM, ZONING CODE WORKS IS, UM, WE HAVE, THERE'S THE REZONING, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SETS THE FRAMEWORK PRETTY LIKE A, A 30,000 FOOT FRAMEWORK OF HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WILL LAY OUT.
SO IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, TRANSPORTATION, UM, INGRESS EGRESS CONNECTIVITY, UH, SETBACKS, MASSING, UM, LAND USE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO IT IS 30,000 FEET, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A SECOND ROUND THAT COMES THROUGH CALLED THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHERE WE REALLY GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY AS FAR AS, UM, LANDSCAPING, PARKING, BUILDING DESIGN, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS SETS THE, THE DEVELOPMENT FRAMEWORK, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT WILL BE THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S KIND OF A THREE-STEP PROCESS.
SO GOING BACK, UH, SO THIS IS THE, THE SITE LAYOUT WITH THE, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE STREAM THAT BISECTS THE, THE SITE, UM, THE SITE SLOPES NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST.
SO THE, THE CREEK DRAINS, UH, TO THE EAST, TO THE HIGH POINT IS IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
LOW POINT IS, UH, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER MENTIONED THE, THE CREEK, THE NATURAL STREAM.
IT REALLY JUST DRAINS, UM, THIS SITE AS WELL AS THE INDUSTRIAL SITE TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT IS A NON DELINEATED STREAM, SO IT'S NOT REGULATED, UM, BY THE STATE.
WHEN WE BUILT EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UM, WE PUT A 54 INCH STORM SEWER ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WITH A THOUGHT OF, OF ESSENTIALLY DRAINING THIS SITE TO ALLOW EVEN MORE YIELD.
UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS CHOSEN TO MAINTAIN THE STREAM AS AN AMENITY FEATURE.
THE ZONING CODE ENCOURAGES THIS, UM, AND IT DOES, BUT IT DOES CREATE SOME DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES.
UM, THIS SITE NOW HAS OVER 50% OPEN SPACE DUE TO THE BUFFERS THAT ARE ALONG THE STREAM OF KIND OF THE DO NOT BUILD AREA.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE SITES THAT HAS KIND OF A, THE FEW NATURAL AMENITIES, THIS STREAM BEING ONE OF THEM.
IT'S NOT MUCH TO LOOK AT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO OVERGROWN.
UM, THERE'S A, PROBABLY A 50 48.
WHEN I WALKED THROUGH, I DIDN'T HOP DOWN THE STREAM, IT WAS COLD AND WET.
UM, BUT IT WAS, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S ABOUT A 48 INCH, UM, GALVANIZED, UH, PIPE THAT, UH, THERE'S ONE CROSSING TO GET FROM THE SOUTH FIELD TO THE NORTH FIELD.
UH, THE ACCESS POINTS TO THE SITE ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED WHEN THE ROSE WAS BUILT.
UH, SO THERE ARE NATURAL, UH, INTERSECTION POINTS FOR THIS SITE.
UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THEM ILLUSTRATED HERE TODAY.
WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AT A FUTURE TIME, BUT THE APPLICANT IS, IS MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER.
WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM ON HOW TO, HOW TO TREAT THE COMMERCIAL SITE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT THE, THE ACCESS POINTS ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT ACCESS, UH, OF, OF THE, THE ROSE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE NATURAL MASSING OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO YOU HAVE THE SUB AREA A WHICH IS, WHICH IS BELOW, WHICH REALLY CREATES A NICE STREET FRONTAGE ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, AND THEN THE CLUSTERING OF THE APARTMENTS, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE, UH, THE STREAM.
AND THEN ON THE FAR, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE STREAM, UM, AS I SAID, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE.
SO THE CODE REQUIRES 25% WHEN YOU CALCULATE, UH, ALL OF THE BUFFER AREA, THE STREAM AREA, UM, THIS IS PUSHING 54% OPEN SPACE.
SO THE, IT IS A CHALLENGING SITE, UM, DUE TO THAT, THAT FEATURE.
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AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS, THIS IS A MIX OF ONE, UH, TWO BEDROOM UNITS.THERE WILL BE ONSITE RESONANT AMENITIES.
UM, DARK TEXTURE'S, PRETTY COMPLIMENTARY.
THERE'S CLEARLY A DESIGN, UM, PREFERENCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING.
UM, THE BUILDING, UH, UM, ELEVATIONS OF REALLY PUTTING THE BEST FOOT FORWARD ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
IT'S A MORE CONTEMPORARY, UH, LOOK, THE BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE AS A, AS IT TRANSITIONS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH, TAKE ON A MORE TRADITIONAL APARTMENT, UH, LOOK, UH, GABLE ROOFS, ET CETERA.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE COMMERCIAL AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED IN A LATER PHASE.
WE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER TO, UM, TO, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, THE PROJECT AND DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO THE, BASICALLY THE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS, WE WORKED WITH THEM, UH, ON CREATING THEM.
THEY'RE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS WHY IN MY STAFF REPORT, UM, I REALLY ONLY TALKED ABOUT THE DISCREPANCIES OR THE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT IS IN THE CODE AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT WOULD FACE, UH, OUR FRONT ON THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, AREA, SUB AREA, A MORE OF A CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE STYLE.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE RESIDENT CLUBHOUSE.
SO MIX OF STONE, UH, STUCCO, EFIS, OTHER MASONRY PRODUCTS.
THESE ARE THE, UH, RES, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, IN THE, IN THE SUB AREA, B CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO YOUR MORE TRADITIONAL GIN, UH, ROOFS OR HIP ROOFS, KIND OF HAS THAT MORE TOWNHOUSE, UH, KIND OF, UH, FEEL TO IT.
AGAIN, A MIX OF, OF STONE STUCCO, UM, VINYL, UH, THERE ARE, UH, ALONG THE BACK A SERIES OF GARAGES.
UM, SO TO PROVIDE RESONANCE, BOTH WITH, UH, UNCOVERED AND UNCOVERED PARKING.
UM, ONE STORY, UH, ATTACHED GARAGES.
SO THE, THE TOP PICTURE WOULD BE FACING THE, UH, THE, THE APARTMENT UNITS.
SO THE, THE GARAGE DOOR SPACE TO THE SOUTH.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, BOTTOM PICTURE IS BASICALLY THE, THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE, THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
SO, AS FAR AS THE ELEMENTS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, KIND OF, I'M GONNA JUST GO THROUGH KIND HOW THE CODE LAYS THEM OUT.
SO THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES IN THIS DISTRICT, UM, IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE LIST.
THE, THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE, UH, PLAN MIX, USE DISTRICT OVERALL, AND THAT WAS, UM, BY DESIGN.
UM, IT ALSO LIMITS THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO 320 UNITS.
RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE WHAT'S PROPOSED IS AROUND 300, 310.
BUT, UH, THERE COULD BE UP TO 320 UNITS.
THERE IS A LIST OF PROHIBITED USES, UM, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES, GAS STATIONS, OUTDOOR SALES, OUTDOOR STORAGE, AND THOSE OTHER AUTO ORIENTED USES THAT WILL BASICALLY BE DETERMINED BY, BY US, UM, THAT DON'T FIT OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE, TO THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT TYPE CHARACTER.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO, I THINK THE DEVELOPER, UH, IS LOOKING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, A, A, A DIFFERENT FEEL THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD, THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT DOES PRESERVE A, A MAJOR NATURAL FEATURE, WHICH IS THAT STREAM.
UH, SO OVERALL THERE'S 54% OPEN SPACE.
UH, 25% IS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.
UM, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS ARE ALIGNED WITH THE INTER, UM, INTERSECTIONS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH, UM, I SENT TO YOU, UH, YESTERDAY, WELL, LATE LAST NIGHT, UM, INDICATES THAT NO ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED OR RECOMMENDED.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT WILL BE GENERATED, UM, AT THE PEAK HOUR, SO TRAFFIC IS MEASURED AT THE PEAK 20, OR THE PEAK ONE HOUR POINT, UM, BOTH IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY A ONE AND A HALF SECOND INCREASE IN THE DELAY TIME THAT, THAT, UH, YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE AT EXECUTIVE AND BRAND.
I RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY, AND EVEN MY NOTES ARE TOUGH TO READ.
UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE PEAK AM PERIOD,
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UM, SO AROUND SEVEN 30, BETWEEN 7 30, 8 30 IN THE MORNING.UM, THE ESTIMATE IS 80 CARS, UH, LEAVING IN THE, UH, IN 28 ARRIVING.
AND THEN THE PEAK PM PERIOD, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT THE OPPOSITE ABOUT 94 CARS ARRIVE AND, UH, 55 EXIT.
SO, UM, THIS, UH, THIS SLIDE IS IN YOUR, UM, IS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH, UH, IS IN FRONT OF YOU, AND IT WAS ALSO EMAILED TO YOU.
BUT EFFECTIVELY, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS IS UNCHANGED BETWEEN THE NO BUILD AND THE BUILD, AND ALSO THE BUILD OUT TO 2044.
UM, IT'S, IT ADDS ONE AND A HALF SECONDS, UM, OF, OF DELAY.
SO, UH, I TALKED TO THE CITY ENGINEER.
UM, WE BOTH CONCUR WITH THE, WITH THE STUDY THAT, AND DON'T FEEL ADDITIONAL.
IMPROVEMENTS ARE WARRANTED ALONG EXECUTIVE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS PARKING AND CIRCULATION.
THE PARKING AREAS ARE DELINEATED BETWEEN THE BUILDING CLUSTERS AND PROVIDE CONVENIENT ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UH, SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA BE PROVIDED IN THE PARKING AREAS.
THERE'S ALSO PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS THAT ARE GONNA CONNECT TO A 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING NOW, UH, HAS BIKE AND, AND MULTIMODAL, UM, TRANSPORTATION AS KIND OF A KEY ELEMENT OF PLACEMAKING AND CREATING A LIVABLE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, ONE OF THE EFFORTS WILL BE CREATING, UH, CONNECTIONS TO, TO VARIOUS DESTINATIONS FOR, UH, EASY ACC ACCESS TO PEDESTRIANS.
THIS INCLUDES THE 10 FOOT MULTIUSE PATH ALONG EXECUTIVE TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE ROWS ALSO IN CARRIAGE HILL METRO PARKS.
AND EVENTUALLY LOOKING AT, UH, A 14 MILE, UM, PERIMETER AROUND, UH, THROUGH AND AROUND THE CITY.
SO THIS IS PART OF THAT, THAT ELEMENT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING, UH, LAYOUT HERE, UM, AND, AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE LOCATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
THERE IS, LIKE I SAID, SIDEWALKS CONNECTING EVERY, EVERY AREA, UH, AS WELL AS THE, THE 10 FOOT, UH, BIKE PATH, UM, THAT WILL CARRY OVER AS WE DEVELOP AND WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THE, FOR THE PARCELS TO THE EAST AS WELL.
WE WANNA CONTINUE THAT CONNECTIVITY ALL THE WAY TO BRANCH ULTIMATELY, UH, TO CONNECT TO CARRIAGE HILL AND IN PLACES BEYOND.
AS FAR AS OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, THE SIGNS WILL CONFORM TO CHAPTER 1189, UH, SETBACKS.
THE FRONT SETBACK ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WILL BE 20 FEET.
THE SIDE YARDS AND REAR WILL BE 25 FEET.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN MIX.
UH, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE 50 FEET.
UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE DISTRICT IN, IN THE CODE THAT HAS A BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S, UH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH UP TO THE DEVELOPER OR THE BUILDER.
THIS BUILDER IS CAPPING IT AT FOUR STORIES OR 50 FEET.
UM, THE MINIMUM BUILDING SEPARATION SIX FEET IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THAT'S REALLY THE MINIMUM THAT THE BUILDING CODE WOULD REQUIRE FOR FIRE SEPARATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
THE CODE REQUIRES 15 FEET BETWEEN, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
WHEN I SCALED OUT TO THE SITE PLAN.
UH, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ARE AROUND 18 FEET APART.
UM, I MIGHT, UH, I BELIEVE THE REASON THE DEVELOPER IS, IS SEEKING THIS, UM, SMALLER SEPARATION IS REALLY FOR THOSE AMENITY BUILDINGS, LIKE THE POOL MAINTENANCE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I DON'T FORESEE AT THE MOMENT ANY OF THE BUILDINGS BEING BLE.
YOU KNOW, SIX FEET ARE REALLY LESS THAN, THAN 10 FROM EACH OTHER.
BUT THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER.
UM, THE, THE FACADES ARE, UH, WELL ARTICULATED TO REDUCE KIND OF THE LARGE UNBROKEN WALL AREAS.
UM, THERE IS, I WOULD SAY, UH, UH, A PREFERENCE TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AS FAR AS, UH, THE DESIGN AESTHETIC.
UM, 15 PER 50% OF THE TOTAL MA OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THE TOTAL AGGREGATE AMOUNT OF THE, OF THE FACADE, 50% OF IT WILL BE, UH, MASONRY.
UM, THERE WILL BE 15% TOTAL MASONRY ON, ON THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE.
UH, AND THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF TWO DISTINCT BUILDING MATERIALS.
THIS IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS APPROVED, UM, AT HOMESTEAD RECENTLY, OR MARY MEADOWS.
VERY SIMILAR, UM, APPROACH IN THE DESIGN IN, IN BUILDING.
THIS ACTUALLY HAS MORE MASONRY ALONG EXECUTIVE THAN WHAT WAS, UH, APPROVED DURING THE LAST, UH, APARTMENT
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DISCUSSION.SO, AGAIN, HERE ARE THE FACADES ALONG, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, STREET T STREET TREES ARE BEING PROPOSED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD TO 35 FOOT INTERVALS.
THE CODE REQUIRES 40, SO THEY ARE EXCEEDING THAT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERAL TREE PLANNING AS ONE TREE PER 10 PARKING SPACES.
UH, DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE, UH, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AS FAR AS BREAKING UP SOME OF THE PARKING LOTS WITH, UH, WITH, WITH STREET TREE ISLANDS OR WITH TREE ISLANDS.
THERE ARE, UM, SOME, SOME RUNS THAT ARE JUST TOO LONG WITHOUT ANY, UH, WITHOUT ANY BREAKUP.
BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THEM DURING THE, UH, DE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UH, FAN DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
UM, THE OTHER AREA IS THE NORTHERN BORDER, UH, AND THE BUFFER THAT, UH, OF HOW WE WORK THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH, UH, AND THE, UM, WHERE THE GARAGES ARE BEING PROPOSED.
THE CODE REQUIRES AN 80% OPACITY BUFFER UP TO SIX FEET TALL.
AND THAT CAN BE DONE WITH A HILL OR A FENCE OR LANDSCAPING.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.
UM, IF YOU RECALL DURING THE CONVERSATION AT, UM, WITH, UH, HOMESTEAD OR MARION MEADOWS, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT SEPARATION, UH, AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DO DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CHANGED SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE OF, UH, GRADING ISSUES THAT THEY RAN INTO.
UM, WHAT, AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE HOLD OFF DETERMINING EXACTLY HOW THIS BUFFER WILL BE, UM, ADDRESSED.
THE BUFFER WILL MEET CODE, BUT HOW WE DO IT, UH, I DON'T, CAN'T REALLY BE DETERMINED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE FINAL GRADING IS GONNA IMPACT THAT EXISTING VEGETATION.
IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PICTURES, THERE WERE SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT WOULD, WOULD BE NICE TO SAVE.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE SCRUB AND HONEYSUCKLE.
IT'S HARD TO SEE TO TELL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER WHAT'S WORTH KEEPING IN WHAT ISN'T.
UM, AND AS THEY WORK THROUGH THEIR GRADING, AND AS I SAID, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE HIGH SIDE ON THE, THE SOUTH, OR EXCUSE ME, THE NORTHWEST.
UM, THE, THE GRADING IS GONNA IMPACT HOW WE TREAT THAT NEARLY 1800 FOOT RUN, UH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.
SO HERE'S THE, HERE ARE THE NORTH SIDE.
I GUESS YOU DON'T REMEMBER CAUSE I DIDN'T SHOW 'EM TO YOU.
UH, HERE ARE THE NORTH SIDE, UH, PICTURES.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING, UH, WEST.
SO THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES, UH, ALONG THAT BUFFER.
WHAT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME WHEN I WAS, UH, WALKING THE SITE IS WHERE EXACTLY THOSE TREES FELL AS FAR AS IF IT WAS ON THIS SITE, UH, OR IF IT WAS IN THE, UH, THE BACKYARDS OF THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT WAS COLD AND WET.
I WASN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN HOPPING BACK THROUGH THERE YET UNTIL WE START TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FINAL GRADING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE, UH, LOOKING TO THE EAST AGAIN, THERE'S A HEAVY VEGETATION THAT, UM, THAT, THAT FOLLOWS THIS PERIMETER.
AND IT, AND LIKE I, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS UNCLEAR WHAT'S WORTH SAVING, WHAT ISN'T.
UH, SO WHEN WE GET FURTHER ALONG THE PROCESS AND WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE GRADING, UH, WILL AFFECT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MOUNDING IS GONNA BE APPROPRIATE HERE, CUZ I WORRY ABOUT IF THEY'RE, UM, EXASPERATING ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR THAT MAY BE OCCURRING ON THE NORTH, UH, PROPERTY LINE, SINCE IT DOES DRAIN TO THE, TO THE SOUTH.
THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A RIDGE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO BUFFER AND SCREEN.
UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS A 25 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE BACK OF THE GARAGES.
UM, HEAVY LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE GARAGES TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE ARE SCREENING FOR HEADLIGHTS AND AND NOISE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UH, AND THEN BREAKING UP THE, THE BACK OF THE FACADES OF THE GARAGES WITH, WITH SOME LANDSCAPING WERE APPROPRIATE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE A 2000 OR 1800 FOOT RUN OF BOARD ON BOARD FENCE MAKES SENSE, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORS AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT THAT THE, THE NORTH EDGE IS, IS, WILL BE DETERMINED LARGELY ON HOW WE GRADE THIS OR HOW THE DEVELOPER GRADES IT.
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AS FAR AS PARKING, UH, A THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, NINE FOOT BY 18 FOOT PARKING STALL DIMENSIONS.UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UH, 640 ARE REQUIRED, UM, BASED ON 320, UH, HOUSING UNITS.
UM, STAFF SUPPORTS THE SLIGHTLY SMALLER PARKING STALL.
A NINE BY 18 IS PRETTY MUCH UNIVERSAL.
STANDARD PARKING STALL, UM, SIZE.
HUBER HEIGHTS HAS, UH, SLIGHTLY WIDER IT IN THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THE PARKING STALL WIDTH TO 10 FEET, THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THE PARKING COUNT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS BY APPROXIMATELY 60 SPACES, YOU LOSE ONE PER 10 SPACES, UM, ROUGHLY.
SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE GIVEN THE COM THE SITE CONSTRAINTS CAUSED BY THE, THE STREAM, THEY'VE GOT LESS AREA TO WORK WITH.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA NOTICE A HALF A FOOT ON EACH SIDE OR SIX INCHES ON EITHER SIDE.
SO THE CITY ENGINEER, UH, HAD NO COMMENTS ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED THEIR STANDARD COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN THE REVIEW AS FAR AS WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED AS FAR AS HYDRANT SPACING AND, AND TURN RADIUSES, ET CETERA.
UH, WE SEE WE RECEIVED ONE EMAIL, UH, FROM A RESIDENT THAT HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND RECOMMENDED A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, WAS UNDERWAY, UH, WHICH WAS PROVIDED TO YOU LATE LAST NIGHT.
UM, SO STAFF, STAFF IS FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, REZONING AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE STANDARDS AND THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REZONING OF THIS PARCEL FROM P E P TO PLAN MIXED USE AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, UH, TWO CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE ZONING REGULATIONS SHALL BE THOSE THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION DATED JANUARY 30TH, UH, 2023.
AND THAT THE NORTHERN PROPERTY BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS SHALL BE DETERMINED DURING THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
REVIEW QUESTIONS OF ME? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFRIES? UM, NO, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO FIND MY, YOU OKAY.
SO ON THE PARKING FOR NOW, JUST TO COVER, CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON HOW WE CALCULATE THE NUMBER BEFORE SOME WERE PER BED, SOME WERE PER UNIT.
UM, IF WE DID GO DOWN, GO TO THE 10 FOOT SPACES, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT FALLS INTO HOW WE'VE DONE OTHER CALCULATIONS? I DIDN'T PARKVIEW WE DID 1.5 PER BED, I THOUGHT IT WAS OR SOMETHING.
SO I DIDN'T, I WASN'T HERE FOR PARKVIEW.
UM, I KNOW THAT WITH THE SENIOR FACILITY WE WENT, WE WENT LOWER THAN TWO, RIGHT? TWO PER BED.
UH, TWO PER THE CODE REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER UNIT.
RIGHT? UM, AT THE TIME OF THE, UH, OF THE APPLICATION, THE UNIT MIX AS FAR AS ONE BEDROOMS TO TWO BEDROOMS HASN'T BEEN DECIDED YET.
UM, I WOULD SIG IF IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ONE BEDROOMS THAN TWO BEDROOMS, THEN I THINK WE PROBABLY ARE OVER PARKING.
UM, AND, AND THAT CAN BE REDUCED AND MAYBE WE GO TO A LARGER, UM, THEN WE CAN GO TO A LARGER, UH, STALL SIZE.
BUT AT THIS POINT, IF WE'RE JUST GOING OFF A STRAIGHT 320 UNITS, I THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PATH.
JUST, I HAD CONCERNS CUZ WE HAVE NO THREE BEDROOM UNITS TO OFFSET ANY OF THE CALCULATION, WHICH WE TALKED BEFORE IN SOME WHERE THEN TWO CAR LESS THAN THE CALCULATION IS WARRANTED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THREE CARS LIKELY.
UM, I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 10 FOOT SPACE BECAUSE I, I, MAYBE I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, BUT I NOTICED THAT WHEN I HAVE TO GET OUTTA THE CAR AND SLIDE AGAINST IT OR I HAVE A LITTLE ROOM AND IT'S JUST INTERESTING WHEN IT GOES ON THE HOMESTEAD PROJECT UP BY, UH, ON 2 0 2, THAT WAS A QUESTION WE HAD AND THEY HAD SAID THERE THAT THEY WANT THEIR PEOPLE TO HAVE ROOM TO GET OUTTA THE CARS AS WELL.
THAT 10 FOOT IS WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED THERE.
AND IF THIS IS A PREMIUM LOCATION AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PREMIUM PRODUCT, I I WAS SURPRISED THAT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
CUZ I'M, I'M IMAGINING THE RENT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAP, UH, KNOWING THAT IT'S SIMILAR TO PARKVIEW.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE EVERYBODY EVERY DAY ENJOYING SLIDING OUT OF THEIR CARS, NOT BUMPING THE CAR NEXT TO 'EM.
I KNOW IT'S SIX INCHES EACH SIDE, BUT IT'S A FOOT BETWEEN EACH CAR WHEN IT'S SIX INCHES EACH SPACE, WHICH DOES ADD UP.
WELL, WHAT WE WILL BE KEEPING IS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THE 10 BY 18, CUZ THERE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING THERE VERSUS AT THE RESIDENCE.
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THE RESIDENCE ARE USUALLY THE SAME PEOPLE EVERY DAY.AND UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ALSO.
THE SIX FOOT SPACING YOU'D MENTIONED ON THE BUILDINGS MM-HMM.
YEAH, I THINK, UM, I THINK I WOULD HAVE THE, UH, DEVELOPER EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT OF, OF WHY, WHY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 15 AND SIX.
UM, I KNOW THE FIRE CODE WOULD NOT, IT, IT'S SIX, WHOOPS, EXCUSE ME, THERE, IT'S SIX FOOT MINIMUM FOR FIRE SEPARATION.
UM, BIG WHERE IT WILL COME TO PLAY IS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM, LINEAR ROOM THERE.
UM, BUT, AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST THING ON THE MASONRY, DO YOU REMEMBER ON, ON, GOING BACK TO THE ONES WE'VE DONE RECENTLY WITH SAY HOMESTEAD AT THE TWO PROJECTS, WERE WE AT 15% THERE OR WERE WE, SO I WAS THINKING WE WERE HIGHER THAN 15.
UH, BUT HOMESTEAD WAS A, A ROUGHLY 15%, UM, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE STONE SIDE.
AGAIN, JUST GIVEN THE AREA AND THE WHERE WE'RE AT THE PREMIUM PRODUCT, I JUST, I EXPECTED MORE, I GUESS AS FROM, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, JUST THINKING IT WOULD PRESENT PREMIUM, NOT JUST LONG EXECUTIVE.
UH, SO I KNOW A LONG EXECUTIVE THERE WILL BE A FOCUS, BUT YEAH.
UM, SO LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT I JUST SAID.
SO IT WAS 15% AT, AT HOMESTEAD.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDED BOTH BRICK STONE AND, UH, OTHER MASONRY.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE VINYL SCALLOPS AND SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER DETAILING.
SO THE, THE TOTAL WAS ABOUT 15%.
AND I KNOW IT'S, IT'S RENDERINGS.
I MEAN, PARK VIEWS A VERY NICE PRODUCT.
I KNOW THESE ARE RENDERINGS, BUT THE RENDERINGS TO ME DOESN'T LOOK AS UPSCALE AS PARKVIEW, WHICH I, AND MAYBE THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
IT MIGHT, I GET THAT THESE ARE RENDERINGS AND NOT OFFICIAL PHOTOS.
UM, I, I JUST LOOK FOR THAT AREA TO KIND OF CONTINUE THAT LEVEL, SO.
SO MS. VAGO, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, RIGHT AWAY IMPROVEMENTS ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT YOU HAD DISCUSSED WITH THE ENGINEER.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY, SO TYPICALLY WHAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD, WOULD, AT, WOULD DETERMINE IS WHETHER OR NOT ANY DROPDOWN LANES OR DECELERATION LANES WERE NEEDED ALONG THIS FRONTAGE.
SO BA YOU KNOW, TURN IN LANES RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A, UM, A TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE ALREADY.
UM, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THAT, THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR EITHER WESTBOUND OR EASTBOUND, DEPENDING.
UM, UH, AND SO THE, THE ENGINEER, THE TRAFFIC STUDY ENGINEERS, OUR ENGINEERS AND MYSELF DIDN'T THINK ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS OR, OR DESELL, YOU KNOW, DROPDOWN LANES ARE NECESSARY.
I THINK IT'LL ALSO SCREW UP IF WE DO THAT.
WE'LL ALSO SCREW UP SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW WHEN, UH, THE ROSE HAS THEIR, UM, PERFORMANCES BECAUSE THE, THE, THE POLICE CHANGE THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UM, FOR THE PERFORMANCE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS THIS, THIS GOES, GOES FORWARD.
THAT WOULDN'T IMPACT ANYTHING UNTIL NEXT SEASON THE 24 SEASON.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT THOSE, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM? DROPDOWN LANES ARE VERY, VERY HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY IN THE TWO BUSY TIMES OF THE DAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THERE.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM THEM PRIOR TO BUILDING? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY'S GOING TO DO? NO, SO THE STUDY SHOWS THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.
UH, THE STUDY SHOWS WHAT THAT, THAT THOSE DROPDOWN LANES, THE STUDY SHOWS THOSE DROPDOWN LANES ARE NOT NECESSARY.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE ADEQUATE WIDTH, WE HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, TURNING LANES AS IT IS DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.
SO HOW CAN WE OVERRIDE THE STUDY?
UM, IT, IT THEN WE HAVE FOUR LANES INSTEAD OF THREE.
YOU WANT ODD NUMBER LANES, YOU WANT THREE, FIVE, ET CETERA.
UM, SO CREATING A FOUR-LANE ROAD HERE WILL ACTUALLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS, UM, THAN
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WE, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE STUDY SHOWS AND, AND STAFF AND THE ENGINEER, THE CITY ENGINEER, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THAT THIS NUMBER OF UNITS, CUZ THERE REALLY AREN'T THAT MANY IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, UH, WARRANT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.UM, WELL THAT'S, I NEED TO ASK ABOUT THE TREES, BUT I'LL ASK THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THAT.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY NINE BY 18 PARKING, UH, PLACES IN THE CITY NOW? I HAVE NO IDEA.
WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY APPROVED AT NINE BY 18 SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
AND I DON'T RECALL THAT WE HAVE EVER APPROVED ANY LIKE THAT.
AND I, I WILL SAY THAT YOU WILL NOTICE A HALF A FOOT DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE PARKING.
UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH, MUCH, UH, WHENEVER THEY WENT DOWN FROM 10, I OBJECTED TO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MANY DINGS ON CAR DOORS AND WIND GRABS YOUR, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WIND.
UH, SO I'M, I'M, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THAT, THAT NINE BY 18, UH, TO THE POINT THAT I'M, I, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONVINCE ME THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT, NOT A GOOD THING.
IN THE NORTHEAST BUILDING C AND D, THAT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY LARGE PARKING LOT, CORRECT? THE REST OF THEM, IT APPEARS THAT THE PARKING IS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT, AND ON THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THE PARKING IS OUT IN THE EXTERIOR IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO THERE'S A CENTRAL PARKING LOT AND THEN THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THE PARKING STILL IN FRONT.
AND THOSE TWO BUILDING, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU LIVE IN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, YOU PARK IN THE CENTRAL PARKING LOT.
UM, THERE ARE STALLS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS AS WELL, BUT THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THE, THE, WHAT'S A STALL? THEY, THE, THE STALLS RUN EAST WEST.
SO DEPENDING ON, YOU HAVE KIND OF, YOU HAVE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE ONE, ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE.
BUT YEAH, THE WAY THE, THE BUILD THE WAY THE, IT ALIGNS TO GET THE MOST EFFICIENT PARKING, THE STALLS ARE GONNA RUN EAST, WEST.
WHAT'S A STALL? THE PARKING STALL.
SO HOW THEY'RE ALIGNED LIKE A, LIKE A, THE SPACE CARPORT? NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO IT'LL BE THE SAME AS ONE HERE, AREA OF THE REST OF THEM.
SO THE PARKING, ALL THAT BIG PARKING AREA WOULD BE FOR VISITORS? NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO, UM, THERE ARE THE, THERE IS PARKING IN FRONT OF ALL OF THE UNITS.
UM, IT'S JUST THE WAY IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING IN ORDER TO, SO THERE IS PARKING HERE? YES.
THERE'S PARKING HERE IN FRONT OF THE UNITS.
AND THEN THIS IS OVERFLOW PARKING, LIKE PRETTY MUCH EVERY, LIKE MOST APARTMENT COMPLEXES WE'VE HAD.
THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW EXTRA PARKING STALLS, UH, HERE THAT WOULD SUPPORT A AND B AND, AND INKERS.
SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING STALLS TO ACCOMMODATE EVERY APARTMENT? NO, THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.
THEY HAVE OF THE PARKING BETWEEN THE GARAGES AND THE STALLS, THEY HAVE 364 SPACES THAT ARE INDICATED ONLY, ONLY 340 ARE NEEDED.
UH, I'M JUST THINKING THAT'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND PERHAPS WE COULD SOFTEN IT A LITTLE BIT WITH, I DON'T KNOW, LANDSCAPING OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT THAT, UH, FOR THIS LARGE COMPLEX, THAT'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO WHERE WE WILL, WHERE THE, THE, WHERE THEY DON'T MEET THE COKE AT THE MOMENT IS, UM, AND WE'LL WORK ON THIS DURING THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLANT, BUT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FEW MORE PARKING LOT, UH, TREES TO BREAK THAT, THAT UP.
UM, THIS IS A LONG RUN WITHOUT ANY PARKING LOT TREES.
UM, AND, AND WE'LL HANDLE THAT DURING THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT LAND PHASE.
I'LL, I'LL, UM, I'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE DETAILS,
AND, UH, MY LAST CONCERN IS I AGREE WITH MR. JEFFRIES ON THE MASONRY, AND AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE BUILDINGS, I REALIZE THAT THE ONES THAT FACE EXECUTIVE WILL HAVE MORE MASONRY ON THEM, BUT WE'VE GOT, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT'S FACING EXECUTIVE N NO, THERE WILL BE NO BACKSIDES OF ANY
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BUILDING THAT FACES EXECUTIVE.THEY WILL ALL LOOK LIKE, LIKE THERE ARE FRONT FACING BUILDINGS.
THEN WHAT ABOUT THE SIDE SIDEWAYS BUILDINGS? THE ONES THAT ARE LONG WAYS? SO YOU HAVE THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THERE, WHAT, WHAT I DIDN'T SHOW AND IS THAT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS? IT'S HARD TO TELL HERE.
SO, SO SOME OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE LIKE ONE OF THIS BUILDING, RIGHT? THERE ARE NO WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE.
BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, UHHUH
SO THAT WOULD RE THAT WOULD HAVE A BIT MORE MASONRY.
AND, AND YOU WON'T HAVE REALLY ANY BLANK WALLS.
CAN'T SAY THEY AREN'T GONNA HAVE ANY BLANK WALLS VISIBLE FROM, UM, FROM EXECUTIVE, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE ANY BLANK WALLS THAT ARE LIKE THE DOMINANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT FACES.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I HA EXCEPT I HAVE ONE FOR THE DEVELOPER.
SO, AND THIS MAY BE EARLY IN STAGES TO ASK, BUT ENTRANCES AND EXITS FOR THESE APARTMENTS, UM, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA STAGE, ENTRANCE AND EXIT? AND IT WILL, IF SO, IT WILL IT LINE UP WITH THE MEYER LIGHT? SO THE MEYER LIGHT IS WAY DOWN.
SO IT'S WITH THE, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE DROP-IN LANE MM-HMM.
I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED A DROP-IN LANE DOWN BY THE MEYER AND THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE JUST ISN'T THAT MUCH TRAFFIC HERE TO WARRANT THAT WHEN WE GET DOWN WITH THE, WHEN WE GET HERE.
SO WE START TO MERGE THREE INTO TWO RIGHT HERE.
SO EVEN WITH THE RETAIL ESTA OR THE RETAIL UNITS GOING IN THERE, YOU DON'T THINK THAT THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S GONNA WARRANT ANY ADDITIONAL.
SO THE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO DEVELOP THIS RETAIL SITE AND WHETHER IT'S THEM OR SOMEBODY ELSE, UM, THERE WILL LIKELY BE ALIGNMENT.
WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THERE WILL BE MORE OF AN ACCESS POINT TO THIS RETAIL AREA.
UM, OFF THE MEYER LIGHT AS WE GO, WE GO IN THROUGH HERE.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS THE MUCH LATER DEBATE MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK FROM LIVING HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
I, I KNOW WHAT EXECUTIVE IS ON A SATURDAY IN THE AFTERNOON AND OR EVEN IN THE MORNING JUST BECAUSE THEY TAKE THAT ROAD TO GET OFF OF BRANT OR OLD TROY BECAUSE OF ALL THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THEY HAVE THERE TO CUT THROUGH AND ACROSS TOWN.
SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME OF DAY THEY DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THEY DID IT FEBRUARY 10TH, BUT I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT SATURDAY TRAFFIC AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN INCREASE OF THAT APARTMENT TRAVEL IN AND OUT FOR SHOPPING FOR SATURDAYS.
THAT'S, I I HAVE A BIG CONCERN WITH THAT, WITH THE, WITH THE LANE'S THE WAY THEY ARE JUST SAYING.
SO WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS THERE, AND I SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SPEED BEING TRAVELED AND NOT JUST THE POSTED SPEED, WHICH I THINK WE KNOW IS PROBABLY USUALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, WAS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY WITH REGARD TO THE DROP-IN LANES? TYPICALLY NOT.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW THEY, THEY DO THE STUDY, BUT TYPICALLY THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CAMERAS THAT COLLECT DATA FOR A COUPLE DAYS OR, OR A 24 HOUR PERIOD, AND THAT'S HOW THEY COUNT THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC.
UM, THEY'RE USUALLY NOT SPEED CAMERAS.
THEY GO BASED OFF THE HIGHEST POSTED SPEED FOR THE MODELING.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS A FORMULA THAT CONVERTS BASICALLY
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BASED ON LAND USE, HOW MANY CARS.THERE WILL BE, UM, THE, THE PEAK TIME OF, OF THAT PEAK ONE HOUR TIME PERIOD, BOTH IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING OF THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE COMING IN, COMING OUT IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S, THERE IS A FORMULA ODOT HAS, UM, WHERE, UM, BASICALLY ODOT DETERMINES BASED ON THEIR, THEIR WHETHER OR NOT RIGHT TURN OR LEFT TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED.
YEAH, I, I DID SEE THAT IN APPENDIX SPEED.
AND THIS WASN'T EVEN CLOSE AS FAR AS THE ODOT STANDARDS TO REQUIRE ANYTHING.
YEAH, I, I SAW IT WAS, THE GRAPH WAS PRETTY DEMARCATED BETWEEN WHAT WAS REQUIRED AND WHAT WOULDN'T.
SO ALSO, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION, DIFFERENT TOPIC.
UM, ON SLIDE 22, THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, WHERE IT'S SHOWING THE PARKING BAYS ARE, ARE THOSE GARAGE DOORS ON THE FRONT OF THOSE STALLS? YES.
SO WITH REGARDS TO PARKING SPACES, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT PEOPLE MIGHT STORE ITEMS IN THOSE PARKING STALLS AND THEY WOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE USED FOR PARKING? UH, I MEAN, IF, IF THE RESIDENTS ARE LIKE MOST OTHER HOMEOWNERS, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE LOTS OF, SO I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE IMPACT THAT, THAT COULD ALSO HAVE IN THE PARKING SITUATION.
MS. VAGO, I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, I, I DID NOTE THAT THE CURB CUTS THAT YOU HAVE ARE GONNA BE ALIGNED WITH, WITH THE CURB CUTS THAT ARE AT THE ROSE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE APARTMENTS, CORRECT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THE GARAGE DOORS, THE, THE PARKING SPACE COUNT DOES INCLUDE THE GARAGE PARKING AS WELL, CORRECT? IT IT DOES.
AND THEN NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE ABOUT THE LANE, BUT WHEN WE HAD THE HORIZON LINE PROJECT IN HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS WELL THAT THEIR TRAFFIC COUNT AND STUDY DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING INTO ACCOUNT ABOUT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER BECAUSE IT'S SO MANY NIGHTS A YEAR, BUT IT IS ALREADY THERE AND IT IS THE ANCHOR TO WHAT'S DRAWING THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
AND THE GOAL IS TO DEVELOP THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS THESE CAR COUNTS SHOULD BE, I'M ASSUMING VASTLY DIFFERENT WHEN THE ONE EMAIL WE SAID FROM DAYTON DAILY NEWS HAS A THOUSAND NEW RESIDENTS BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS, NOT JUST THE ONE.
SO I MEAN, PERSONALLY, YEAH, I DO THINK WE NEED THE LANE, BUT I THINK WE NEED THE LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR THE THOUSAND RESIDENTS COMING HOME ON CONCERT NIGHT, OR THE FIRETRUCK THAT NEEDS TO GET INTO THE RESIDENCE ON CONCERT NIGHT OR FOR THE SEMI TRUCKS THAT DO BUSINESS DOWN EXECUTIVE ALSO THAT I'VE SEEN PARKED IN CONCERT TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS MAY NOT LIKE IT THAT IT'S PLANS AND PROVISIONS FOR A BUILDING WE HAVE THAT'S ONLY ACTIVE HOWEVER MANY NIGHTS A YEAR.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE REASON PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW TOO.
I'VE JUST SEEN TOO MANY NIGHTS GOING TO CONCERTS THERE WHERE THE FEDEX TRUCKS ARE SPARKED STALLED IN TRAFFIC.
AND I SAY, MAN, WHEN ARE WE GONNA LOSE THOSE JOBS? BECAUSE MM-HMM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? ONE, FOUR, JUST, UH, LET ME BRING UP THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
I'M WITH METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS.
UM, THANKS FOR TAKING TIME AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY TO SPEND THIS VALENTINE'S DAY WITH US TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROJECT.
UM, AS, AS WAS AARON MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE HUBER HEIGHTS AREA.
WE'VE HAD A REALLY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT IN PARKVIEW AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS SITE.
UM, THAT PROJECT REALLY EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL FOR OUR COMPANY.
AND IT'S PROBABLY THE REASON I'M STANDING HERE, UM, WITHOUT THE SUCCESS OF THAT PROJECT, I, UH, MIGHT BE AT MY OLD UNHAPPY JOB RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE LIKE HUBER HEIGHTS, WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS SUCCESS AT PARKVIEW AND, UH, WE INTEND TO CARRY THAT SAME SORT OF SUCCESS AND STYLE AND DESIGN OVER TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, IN A PREVIOUS LIFE WHEN I WAS AN ARCHITECT, I, UH, I A LOT OF TIMES WAS TOLD TO DO PROJECTS AND DESIGNS THAT I MAY NOT HAVE LIKED, AND MY, MY OLD BOSS WOULD ALWAYS SAY, UM, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM MY HOUSE.
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UH, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS I GREW UP DOWN THE STREET DOWN 6 75 IN BEAVER CREEK AND MY PARENTS LIVE OUT THIS WAY NOW, SO, WELL, I CAN'T SEE THIS FROM MY HOUSE.I CAN'T DO SOMETHING BAD HERE BECAUSE I'LL HAVE TO HEAR MY MOM AND DAD TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
WE, UH, WE, WE ARE READY TO ROCK AND ROLL AND DEVELOP THIS PROJECT, GET THROUGH BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, UH, BRING BACK SOMETHING GREAT AT DETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, THE 10 BY 18 PARKING SPACES, WE DO HAVE CURRENTLY NINE BY 18 SPACES AT PARKVIEW.
UM, WE'VE NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT PARKING STALL SIZE THERE.
UM, SO PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON FOR THE BIG LOT THAT YOU SEE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UM, IS THE NINE BY 18 SPACES.
THAT LOT WOULD BE TREMENDOUSLY LARGER IF WE HAD TO GO TO 10 BY 18 AND HAD TO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA SPACE PER 10 FEET THERE.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T REALLY, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MATCH WHAT WE HAD DONE AT PARKVIEW IN TERMS OF PARKING STALL SIZE, UM, UH, THE MASONRY, UH, ON THE BUILDINGS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE MASONRY ON THESE BUILDINGS THAN WE HAVE AT PARKVIEW.
UM, NOT JUST AT THE FRONT, BUT IN THE BACK BUILDINGS ALSO.
AND THE, UH, YOU ARE CORRECT, THE RENDERINGS DO NOT, UH, DO NOT SHOW ALL THE DETAILS.
WE'LL HAVE, THE BUILDINGS ARE VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN AND MATERIALS TO PARKVIEW THE BLUE VEINS AND THE STONES DON'T SHOW UP.
YOU DON'T SEE THE, YOU DON'T READ THE BOARD IN BATON VERTICAL SIDING.
SO THE INTENT IS A VERY SIMILAR LOOK AND AESTHETIC TO WHAT YOU SEE AT PARKVIEW.
UM, LET'S SEE, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT WAS ALSO RELATED, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO PARKING STALL SIZE, THERE WILL BE MORE TREE ISLANDS IN THERE.
UM, WE DO FACE SOME GRADING CHALLENGES ON THAT SIDE.
YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE, WE LIKE THE STRIPS OF PARKING THAT DOESN'T MAYBE FEEL LIKE A SEA OF PARKING OR A LARGE PARKING LOT, BUT DUE TO GRADING ISSUES AND FITTING THE TWO BUILDINGS IN ON THE SIDE, WE NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO HAVE MORE OF A PARKING LOT FEEL OVER THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS THOSE ARE, THOSE WERE A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON.
UM, I DO WANNA INTRODUCE MY TEAM.
I'VE GOT TODD FOLEY WITH TODD AND JOE MCCABE WITH OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT WITH ME.
UM, AND AT THAT POINT I WILL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TODD AND LET HIM ADDRESS SOME OF THE SITE RELATED ISSUES.
I'M WITH POD DESIGN, UH, PRINCIPAL AND, AND WAS ALSO PART OF THE PARKVIEW TEAM WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT PROJECT THROUGH.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE, UM, WE HA WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD HANDLE ON THE EXPECTATIONS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, AT THAT TIME, BOTH OF, UM, OF STAFF OF, OF THIS COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND, AND THEN THE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT WERE A PART OF THAT AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIT A FEW, I GUESS HIGHLIGHT POINTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AARON DID IT AS A FANTASTIC PRESENTATION, UM, UH, REPRESENTED.
I THINK A LOT OF THE GOALS AND THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS PLAN WHERE IT'S AT TO DATE, OBVIOUSLY, UM, THERE'S A LOT TO STILL KIND OF FIGURE OUT.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP ESTABLISH THOSE STANDARDS THAT AS WE, UM, UM, AS OUR, OUR CLIENT STARTS TO SPEND MORE MONEY WITH US FROM A CONSULTANT BASIS, AND WE START DOING THINGS LIKE ENGINEERING AND FURTHERING THE ARCHITECTURE AND WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON OUR END, WE CAN START TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WELL WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BUFFER AREAS AND YOU KNOW, HOW OUR FRONTAGE, UM, UH, UH, ADDRESSES EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, OUR BUILDINGS AND, AND, AND PARKING AREAS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, IT'S ALWAYS CHALLENGING.
WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR INTENT AND REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT THE STYLE AND THEME AND, AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GONNA BE.
UM, BUT IT ALSO KIND OF PUTS A TARGET ON OUR BACK A LITTLE BIT TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET AS THIS PROCESS KIND OF WORKS THROUGH.
SO, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD FOR THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THAT AS WE MOVE TO THAT NEXT STEP.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THIS SITE IS REALLY, UM, AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS TYPE, UM, OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE KIND OF ZOOM BACK OUT, WE THINK ABOUT, UM, THE OVERALL ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
AND AS WE TRAVEL WEST, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU VERY QUICKLY CHANGE TO, AS YOU ALL KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN I DO.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL, THE FLEX INDUSTRIAL, THOSE TYPE OF USES.
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AND AS WE MOVE TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL AND THE VISION OF THE CITY IS, IS IS THAT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, VITALITY AND, AND RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL PLACES TO LIVE, PLACES TO WORK, UM, WALKABILITY.THESE ARE ALL SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE FUNDAMENTAL THINGS THAT, UM, BEING A PART OF PROJECTS IN THIS AREA FOR A WHILE ON WHAT I DO.
I'VE SEEN THAT, I'VE HEARD THAT I'VE READ ABOUT THE STUDIES AND THINGS THAT YOU'VE HAD.
SO WE THINK THAT THIS IS REALLY, UM, A GREAT COMPLIMENTARY USE BOTH TO THE MUSIC CENTER ACROSS THE WAY.
UM, IT'S A GREAT TRANSITION USE TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, UM, WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING LAROSE MUSIC CENTER AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, FIRSTHAND.
SO, UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT KIND OF HEAD ON THAT WE THINK THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND SO, UM, UNIQUELY THOUGH THIS SITE DOES PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IN THE STREAM WITH, UM, THIS KIND OF GREEN BELT THAT TRAVERSES THE SITE, WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, IT, IT ALSO EXTENDS BEYOND OUR PROJECT A LITTLE BIT, BOTH IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UM, BEING A PART OF THE PARKVIEW PROJECT, IF YOU RECALL THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT AREA, IT HAS A SIMILAR KIND OF CONDITION WHERE THERE'S GREEN SPACE THAT INTERFACES WITH THE, UM, UH, GOES ACROSS, UH, 2 0 1.
YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, METRO PARK ACROSS, UM, THE WAY.
SO, UM, WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THAT'S MAINTAINED AND I, AND OUR, UM, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT LIKE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PRESERVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHILE IT'S, IT'S MEETING THE HOUSING NEED AND THE THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DISCUSSION, IT'S REALLY THE BEST KIND OF USE THAT CAN LEAVE THAT INTACT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, GREAT TREES AND I'VE DRIVEN BY IT SEVERAL TIMES WHEN, AGAIN, TONIGHT I'VE SEEN IT AT DIFFERENT STAGES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND, UM, SO WE THINK THAT'S A STRONG ASSET.
IT'S ONE OF THE, UM, INTERESTING DETAILS THAT, THAT LET METROPOLITAN, YOU KNOW, BE SO INTERESTED IN THIS SITE.
SO WE FEEL REALLY STRONGLY THAT THAT, THAT, UM, THAT PRESERVATION THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN, IN THE, THE ENTERTAINING THIS TYPE OF USE AND ZONING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, AND THAT REALLY FORCED US TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL WITH HOW WE LAID THINGS OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NARROW SITE, UM, WHICH MEANS OUR, OUR ABILITY TO TRANSITION FROM OUR PROPERTY LINES TO RIGHT OF WAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, ARE, ARE TRICKY.
UM, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE INITIAL NOD OF PUTTING THE GARAGES ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE AN EFFECTIVE TOOL BOTH TO, NUMBER ONE, TO PROVIDE THE AMENITY THAT, UM, THE TARGETED DEMOGRAPHIC DESIRES IN THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY.
BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES, YOU KNOW, AN INSTANT, UM, ABILITY TO SCREEN ELEMENTS, UM, THAT WE, THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY ADVERSE, BUT THEY ARE, THEY CAN'T BE AN IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN BEING ABLE TO COME BACK AND SUPPLEMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, MASSING OF EVERGREEN TREES, SHADE TREES, ORNAMENTAL TREES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S TOO EARLY TO TO TELL, BUT THE COMMENT ABOUT THE MOUNTING IS PROBABLY PRETTY ACCURATE WITH WHAT WE KNOW FROM OUR EXISTING SURVEYING, THAT IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING.
AND IT'S NOT A CONSISTENT GRADE ACROSS THE NORTH EITHER.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT KIND OF IN SECTIONS.
SO, BUT I, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THE, THE SETBACK THAT WE'RE, UM, OFFERING AND THE WAY WE'VE APPROACHED THAT.
UM, WE'VE PULLED OUR, OUR BUILDINGS OFF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
I MEAN, THE CLOSEST, UM, THOSE BUILDINGS, THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ARE OVER A HUNDRED FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY LINE, PLUS OR MINUS.
SO, UM, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION TO BUILDING D AND AS JAMIE MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT SOME GRADING CHALLENGES IN THAT AREA.
SO THAT ONE HAD TO SLIDE A LITTLE BIT FARTHER NORTH.
BUT, UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FACING OF THE BUILDINGS WHERE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THINGS ARE.
AND SO ALL, ALL THINGS, UM, THAT WENT INTO THAT KIND OF THOUGHTFUL APPROACH.
AND THEN WHEN WE, TO OUR FRONT DOOR WITH EXECUTIVE BUILDINGS A AND B AND THAT COMMERCIAL CLUBHOUSE, OR THE COMMERCIAL FEELING CLUBHOUSE THAT APPROACHED THE ARCHITECTURE, WE THINK THAT'S REALLY STRONG TO HELP KIND OF SET THE TONE FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL COME FROM THE EAST THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS EXECUTIVE, YOU NEED TO, TO ADDRESS THE, THE PEDESTRIAN COMPONENT OF THAT.
UM, JUST SOMETHING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OUR INITIAL SURVEY HAS IDENTIFIED.
THERE IS A GAS LINE THAT BASICALLY RUNS JUST NORTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, ALONG, ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF US AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THERE'S ALSO A WATER LINE OUT THROUGH THERE.
UM, I, I HIGHLIGHT THAT REALLY MORE FOR RELEVANCE TO THE TRAFFIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME REAL POTENTIAL CHALLENGES WITH THAT.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I'M THE PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE DO KNOW, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO PUSH THOSE BUILDINGS FOR, WE DON'T, UM, WANT PARKING VISIBLE FROM EXECUTIVE.
WE WANT THAT KIND OF HIDDEN BEHIND, WHICH IS WHY,
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YOU KNOW, TO YOUR COMMENT, MS. MS VAGO, WE'VE CONSOLIDATED AND CREATED SOME OF THESE PARKING AREAS SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN ARCHITECTURE AND, AND, AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, A LARGER GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE THROUGH THERE, AND THEN SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS.SO, UM, WE'RE ALSO FORTUNATE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING, YOU KNOW, A VIABLE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, UH, ON THE EAST PART OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, SOMETHING THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF GOODS AND SERVICES TYPE OF FEEL.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A RESTAURANT, MAYBE IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT, SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS THE ENTERTAINMENT TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, VISION FOR THIS CORE.
WE DON'T HAVE DETAILS TO SHARE ON THAT, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPEN SPACE, UM, I THINK IS, UH, A PRETTY IMPORTANT THING, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO BRING, UM, THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT ALSO STILL MAINTAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, TREE CANOPY AND GREEN SPACE AND BE AT 50%, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, ARE, UM, PRETTY IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I LOOK AT HOW THE PARKING LOTS FOR THE MUSIC CENTER AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TREES THAT WERE PROVIDED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, THAT'S ALL REALLY GREAT THINGS.
AND IF WE CAN BLEND THAT TOGETHER WITH THE INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS VI IS, YOU KNOW, VISION FOR THIS AREA, THEN THAT, THAT TO ME IS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL, UH, THING OVERALL.
SO, UM, THE SIX FOOT BUILDING SEPARATION, JUST TO CONFIRM, AS WE LOOK VISUALLY AT THIS CONCEPT PLAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE AREN'T ANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE REPRESENTING THAT SIX FOOT SEPARATION ON HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT, THAT SCALABILITY THAT YOU CAN SEE.
UM, BUT WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT THINGS, UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH OUR, OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, OUR GRADING AND, UM, THINGS LIKE OUR, UH, UM, THE RE REFUSE CENTER AND, UM, THOSE OTHER KIND OF, OF SECONDARY TYPE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A CONDITION WHERE WE'RE FORCED TO TRY TO LOOK AT THAT TO SOLVE A PROBLEM.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
UM, THE CLOSER THE BUILDINGS GET, THE MORE ARCHITECTURALLY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE DEVELOPED AND A CROSS SECTION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S COST WITH THAT STUFF AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S REALLY, UM, AGAIN, TO KIND OF SET THAT STANDARD AND MAINTAIN FLEXIBILITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, I THINK JAMIE MIGHT HAVE HIT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, UM, THAT YOU OFFERED INITIALLY HERE.
UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE, AGAIN, I'M NOT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT YOU KNOW, MO MOVEMENTS, UH, MOVING EASTBOUND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LEFT TURN LANE ALREADY PROVIDED.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE DISTANCE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT INTO OUR ENTRY POINTS.
UM, HAVING TWO ENTRY POINTS FOR OUR PROJECT WILL ALSO HELP, UM, SEPARATE ANY IMPACT THAT COMES FROM PEOPLE AT THOSE KIND OF AM AND PM PEAK TIMES.
THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE, THE, THE, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THEY DON'T ALWAYS FALL THE SAME PATTERNING AS TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AT, AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND FIVE O'CLOCK, MOST TYPICALLY WORKING FAMILIES, TAKING KIDS TO SCHOOL, DOING THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THE, THE DISTRIBUTION OF IMPACT, UM, HISTORICALLY OVER MULTI-FAMILY IS SPREAD OUT OVER THE DAY.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT THERE WON'T BE IMPACTS AT THOSE PEAK TIMES.
I THINK YOU ALL, UM, ARE, ARE FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, IT PROVIDES A, A MORE BLENDED IMPACT, UM, WHICH I THINK IS COMPLIMENTARY TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING RAISED, WHICH, UM, ARE VERY MUCH IMPORTANT TO THESE GENTLEMEN AS WELL BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE UNITS THAT THEY'RE LEASING AND THEY NEED RESIDENTS AND, AND THEY WANT THAT COMMUNITY TO BE BUILT IN THEIR, THEIR PROJECT.
AND SO, UM, BEING ABLE TO HAVE SAFE, UM, MEAN MEANINGFUL WAYS TO GET INTO THE PROJECT, GET OUT OF THE PROJECT IS VERY MUCH A CONCERN OF THEIRS AS WELL.
UM, WE ARE SHOWING AND THAT COMMERCIAL PIECE, UH, AT, AT A, A, UM, POTENTIAL ACCESS POINT, BUT AS AARON MENTIONED THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PART OF A BIGGER DISCUSSION, BUT WE WERE VERY PURPOSEFUL IN MAKING SURE THAT WE SET THAT, UM, THAT OFFSET WITH, UH, THE MUSIC CENTER, UH, ENTRY POINTS AS WELL.
UM, THE LAST LITTLE COMMENT I'LL MAKE AND THEN, UM, IF THERE'S MORE COMMENTS, AND CERTAINLY WE WANT TO HEAR FROM, UM, THE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT ARE HERE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE FROM A, UM, KIND OF A, A DESIGN AMENITY PACKAGE.
IF YOU SPENT ANY TIME IN PARKVIEW, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE NOTICED, UM, THAT THE, UM, THE AMENITIES, THE THINGS, WHEN WE SAY AMENITIES, THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE FOR THE, UM, THE USE OF THE, THE, UH, THE TENANTS, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE EXPECT A SIMILAR APPROACH TO THAT HERE.
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SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RE RESORT STYLE POOLS.THERE'S THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, FITNESS, UH, INSIDE OF IT.
AND, UM, VERY MODERN FINISHES, UH, KIT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE LIKE OUTDOOR KIND OF KITCHEN AREAS WITH LIKE GRILLS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TVS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, A NICE, UH, ABILITY TO BE OUTSIDE AND, AND INTERACT.
THAT GRAY AREA THAT YOU SEE THAT'S IN BETWEEN THE, THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN THAT, UH, ANTICIPATED RETENTION BASIN, THAT KIND OF WHOLE AREA THERE IS GONNA BE MADE UP OF POOL AND A POOL DECK AND, UM, SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, GATHERING GRILLS, FIRE PITS.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE WHERE THE CORE OF THAT COMMUNITY AMENITY SPACE IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANTICIPATE THE COURTYARD, UH, IN IJ AND H, UM, THAT WE WOULD FIND OTHER, UM, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE, MAYBE THERE'S A VOLLEYBALL COURT, PICKLEBALL COURT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S A BIG FOCUS OF METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS DEVELOPMENTS, AS WELL AS A HIGH QUALITY CLASS A, UM, TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS THOSE TYPE OF AMENITIES FOR THEIR RESIDENTS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO, UM, TO PUT OUT THERE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE.
YEAH, SO, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LANE ACCESS.
I, I CAN TELL YOU FOR ONE, I HAVEN'T READ THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, AND, AND THEN AS I HAVE IT, I'VE GENERALLY NOT BEEN THRILLED TO VOTE ON SOMETHING IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE INFO BEFORE I WALKED IN, JUST BECAUSE I DID IT ONCE AND I THINK I MADE A MISTAKE THAT NIGHT, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH IT, IT CHANGED THE WAY I WOULD'VE VOTED.
UM, AND FOUND OUT BY 9:00 AM THE NEXT MORNING I HAD MADE A MISTAKE.
SO I DIDN'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF WE'VE ALL HAD, WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ACCESS AND WE ALL THINK OBVIOUSLY TO 2 0 2 AND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND WHAT IT'S TAKING TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE OR FIX THAT AND NOT TO KNOCK THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I KNOW IT'S NOT YOU, BUT I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON 2 0 2 S TOLD US WE DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM THERE, RIGHT? SO I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY GIVE US A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT SAYS WE HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
UM, SO OUR CONCERN IS KIND OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE THERE DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IF WE DON'T DO THE LANES, BUT WE ASK FOR THE 11 FEET TO DO THE LANE, IF WE HAD TO LATER ON, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THIS FRONTAGE? CUZ IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN FIND 11 FEET FROM A RIGHT AWAY PERSPECTIVE.
DO YOU YOU WANT COMMENT ON ANYTHING FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE? WELL, CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SETBACK, RIGHT? WE CAN HAVE THE OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WE NEED THE SETBACK PAST THAT 11 FEET.
SO WE NEED TO SET THE WHOLE UNIT BACK 11, IT'S 11 FEET DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS TRY TO FIT THINGS PRETTY TIGHT.
SO UTILITIES THAT I MENTIONED, THERE IS A 20 FOOT EASEMENT THAT PARALLELS THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY THAT HOUSES THAT, UM, A GAS EASEMENT AND UTILITY EASEMENT.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT TRAVERSES THE WHOLE SITE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S A BIG DETERMINING FACTOR IN THIS DISCUSSION, JUST AS A KNOWN RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
UM, I, I WISH I COULD PROVIDE MORE DIRECT FEEDBACK ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PURVIEW THAT I DO, BUT NO, I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE HONESTLY, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH IT.
BUT, UH, I, MY, MY MORE CONCERN WOULD BE ON THE SITE PLAN IF WE SAID OKAY, AS A UNIT, I THINK WE ALL LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME KIND OF ACCESS OR LANE.
BUT IF COUNSEL SAID, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT NOW, BUT WE WANT THE ABILITY TO LATER BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S TAKING ON 2 0 2 TO TRY TO REWORK THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND BE FINE LATER ON THAT HEY, WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE ROOM FOR THIS TO AVOID THAT EXACT SITUATION DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALL OF OUR CONCERN IS OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BROUGHT IT UP IS THAT WE, WE DO LIVE HERE AND DRIVE IT.
SO NOT, AGAIN, NOT TO KNOCK THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT UNDERSTOOD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE TELL US WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM
AND, AND WE HAVE UH, UM, WE'VE BEEN IN ENOUGH OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE TO, WE ALL HAVE TO DIGEST TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND, AND THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE ALWAYS A, A CHALLENGING COMPONENT.
UM, BUT LOGISTICALLY, OR FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, WHICH I THINK THAT'S HOW I'M TAKING YOUR QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ARE LIMITED AND FIXED BECAUSE OF OUR GRADES AT THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE EASEMENT AND THEN THAT, THAT CREEK.
SO WE HAVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES THERE.
AND UM, I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH PERCENTAGES OR CERTAINTY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT IN THE PROCESS WITH FINAL ENGINEERING AND GRADING.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS PROBABLY SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
UM, THEY CAN, IT'S GONNA BE THEIR DETERMINATION.
BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE ARE TRY, OR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF RESPECT WITH THE REPRESENTATION WE HAVE NOW IS THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS STUFF.
I DON'T WANNA COME BACK AT A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, WE'VE GOT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LAYOUT HERE AND WE'RE GONNA BLOW UP HALF THE STREAM BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET IT TO FIT.
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UP TOO.BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO COME BACK AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ALSO SO UNDERSTOOD.
IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, IT MIGHT END UP BEING AN OVERKILL AND WE MAY NEVER NEED IT, BUT IT'S 11 FEET.
IT, YOU KNOW, THE, AND I KNOW FOR YOU GUYS, I, WHEN I SAY IT'S 11 FEET, YOU GUYS SAY YEAH, BUT IT'S 11 FEET.
I, I I I SEE WE'RE BOTH ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE 11 FEET.
UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THAT WE, WE LIVE WITH IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT CAN BE DONE.
JUST TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SHIFTING POSSIBLY.
BUT, UM, AND AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR, WERE YOU, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA THE ENTIRE FRONT, A A, A DROP LANE OR, OR THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE WHOLE LANE.
NOT, NOT DROP LANES THAT RELATE STRICTLY TO OUR ENTRY POINT.
CUZ THAT'S OBVIOUSLY TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
RIGHT? WELL, AND I THINK THEY'RE, I MEAN, I, I DROP LANES ARE BETTER THAN NONE I THINK, BUT I, I THINK ULTIMATELY FOR ME PERSONALLY, THE LANDLOCK PART OF WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING ON 2 0 2 RIGHT NOW MM-HMM.
RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE'RE CALLING ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVATING THE AREA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF IN HERE FOR THE BURGEONING DISTRICT.
WE'RE TRYING TO GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC AND ACTIVITY ON A REGULAR BASIS TO THAT AREA, NOT JUST THE DAY THE TRAFFIC STUDY LOOKED AT IT.
IS IS OUR CONCERNS AND WE DRIVE THOSE ROADS.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE PUSH BACK ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH I, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
I'M SAYING ASIDE FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY, JUST TRAFFIC REALITY, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN FLEXIBILITY TO, FOR, FOR ME AT LEAST TO FEEL BETTER, I GUESS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AND I, I I MEAN I DO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS, IS SHOULD BE A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AND, AND, UM, I KNOW WE JUST, WE JUST PROVIDED, UM, THE STUDY HERE, UM, WELL LAST END OF LAST WEEK.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS EASY AS SAYING ABSOLUTELY LET'S DO IT.
LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S MORE TO CONSIDER WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, CUZ THE, THE OTHER DYNAMIC THAT WE FACE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS, IS THAT WE, WE, OUR EXPECTATION AS SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING TO THE TABLE IS THIS IS A DISTRICT AND IT'S HAS BIG USES LIKE, LIKE THE MUSIC CENTER AND A MERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT WHEN EXECUTIVE WAS DESIGNED, THAT IT SHOULD BE FORWARD THINKING ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF MEETING WHEN EXECUTIVE WAS DESIGNED THOUGH, IT ACTUALLY DIDN'T CONNECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, IT ACTUALLY BECAME A VERY BUSY ROAD AS SOON AS THEY DID IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE OTHER CHALLENGES TOO THAT I THINK, UM, WE'RE ALL COLLECTIVELY DEALING WITH AND CAN APPRECIATE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE.
WE MAY HAVE HAD DESIGN FLAWS IN THE PAST, I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO ADD TO IT.
UH, GOOD EVENING, JOE MCC MCCABE HERE WITH, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT WITH METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SHED A FEW, YOU KNOW, SHED SOME LIGHT ON A FEW THINGS HERE TOO.
UM, UH, COULD YOU WRITE YOUR NAME ON THAT? SURE.
ONE OF THE SORT OF UNIQUE CHALLENGES OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S A REAL JOY TO WORK ON IT, WHICH IS, IT'S IT'S LANDSCAPE, IT'S STREAM, IT'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
UM, BUT THE KIND OF THE TEAM PROBABLY DIDN'T DRIVE HOME IS THAT THE REAL KIND OF SENSITIVE PUSH WE HAVE TO PROTECTING SORT OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IT'S EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP A SITE AS IT IS TO KIND OF RESPECT IT, LIVE WITH IT, MAINTAIN IT, AND KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, YOU'RE LEAVING LESS OF AN IMPACT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD HERE IS MAYBE A CONCERN, BUT TO KIND OF THINGS THAT WE, WE DO OR ADDRESS.
WHAT SOME OF YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW IS ACTUALLY OUR COMPANY IS ACTUALLY OUR, OUR PRESIDENT IS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
HE'S A REGISTERED LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
UM, IT DRIVES THE REST OF US DESIGN GUYS A LITTLE CRAZY AT TIMES.
UH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT ATTENTION IS IN THE DETAILS.
AND, AND A LOT OF IT, WHAT YOU SEE AT PARKVIEW, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OVER THERE, AND WE'RE PROBABLY AT A LITTLE DISADVANTAGE OF NOT HAVING BROUGHT SOME OF THE PHOTOS WITH US THIS EVENING, I, I REALIZE IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LITTLE INTRICATE PLANTED AREAS AND A LOT OF DETAILED AREAS, BUT THAT DIDN'T COME OUT.
IT WENT THROUGH THE SAME SORT OF TWO-STEP PROCESS THAT REALLY CAME OUT AND REALLY SHINED IN THAT SECOND STEP.
UM, I ACTUALLY LOGGED YOUR CODE BECAUSE YOU GET TWO BITES AT THE APPLE.
YOU GET THE DEVELOPER THAT SAYS, HEY, I GOT AN IDEA IF WE CAN REZONE THIS, THEN WE COME BACK WITH A SECOND PLAN, YOU GET A SECOND SWOOP AT IT AND SAY, DID YOU, CAN WE HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE? MAKE SURE YOU'RE REALLY DOING AND, AND DELIVERING ON IT? AND IS IT IN YOUR FINAL DRAWING? SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP HERE.
THIS IS JUST THINK ABOUT THAT THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU'RE GONNA GET A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS FOR YOU.
UH, AND LIKE WE HAVE DONE OR DELIVERED IN THE PAST BASED ON EXPERIENCE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
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UM, I GET THE LUXURY OF SORT OF SAYING TO MY CONSULTANT THAT I THINK WE CAN FIND A COMPROMISE SORT OF ON WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND FUTURE.AND ALTHOUGH YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME CHALLENGES HERE WITH ROADWAY, ROADWAY NETWORKS.
I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNITIES WE'RE ALSO HOPEFULLY COMING OUT OF THESE MEETINGS, HOPEFULLY AARON GETS TO TAKE BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, AHA, I HEARD THINGS LIKE PEOPLE TRAVELING AT HIGHER SPEEDS THAN THEY SHOULD.
YOU KNOW, IS THERE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN? I E THROUGH YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THROUGH ENGINEERING DIVISIONS TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, ARE PEOPLE TRAVELING AT HIGHER SPEEDS ON THIS ROAD THAN THEY SHOULD? ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT MAYBE NONE OF US HERE COULD EVEN CONTROL, EVEN IF WE PUT IN ADDITIONAL LANES? WOULD IT REALLY STOP, YOU KNOW, SPEEDING ON THAT ROAD? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT IF IT'S THE NECESSARY THING TO TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, MR. JEFFRIES, YOU SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, PLAN FOR FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE AND HOW THIS THING HAS CHANGED OR MORPHED.
I, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PROBABLY DO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PERHAPS PUT IN AN ENTIRE NEW LANE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF OUR ROAD, IN FACT, I'D SAY YOU DO THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF A WASTE BECAUSE THERE'S THOUSANDS OF FEET TO OUR WEST AND THERE'S EVEN THOUSANDS OF FEET TO OUR EAST ALL THE WAY TILL YOU GET OUT TO THE MAIN INTERSECTION THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A HAVE A LANE.
HOWEVER, IF WE COULD JUST OBSERVE MAYBE MOVING WHAT'S LABELED, BUILDING A AND BUILDING B BACK 11 FEET AND MOVING BACK THAT CLUBHOUSE RIGHT AT THE CORNER, 11 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE A FUTURE ROAD WIDENING, I THINK THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT AND ACCOMMODATE MOVING FORWARD TO THAT POINT.
I, I WOULD SAY IF WE ASK THAT AS A GROUP IN THIS PROJECT MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S APPRECIATED JUST FOR CONSISTENCY.
AND I'M, THERE ARE OTHER PARCELS BE BEYOND US.
IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PLAN FOR THAT BOTH LONG-TERM EAST AND WEST.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD COMMIT TO US AS A DESIGN TEAM COMING BACK TO YOU AT THAT SECOND BITE OF THE APPLE SHOWING THAT BUILDING'S A AND B AND THAT BUILDING ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY COULD MOVE BACK 11 FEET.
UM, ALSO ADDITIONAL SORT OF GOING AND WORKING WITH THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE.
SOMETHING WE REALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IS ALL OF THE POND AREAS AND THAT THE BIO AREAS AND A LOT OF THE PLANTED AREAS THAT START TO COME OUT OF THIS, THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY JUST ABOUT A STREAM, IT'S ALSO ABOUT ADDITIONAL BIO AREAS AND BIO HABITATS THAT GET SUB SUPPORTED.
UM, WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE SOPHISTICATED RENTERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNGER RENTERS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BEYOND THE MILLENNIAL BY THE WAY.
THE MILLENNIALS TURN 40 THIS YEAR.
UM, AND, AND YES, A LOT OF 'EM ARE STILL RENTING, BUT WE'RE SEEING NOW TWO DECADES BEHIND THEM, UH, OF YOUNGER RENTERS WHO ARE CALLED RENTERS BY CHOICE, WHO, YOU KNOW, PHILOSOPHICALLY ARE DIFFERENT THAN EVEN MYSELF.
YOU KNOW, I, I OWN A HOME, BUT I DID RENT JUST EVEN 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, WE ARE SEEING MORE RENTERS BY CHOICE THAN EVER BEFORE.
AND MORE OF THOSE RUNNERS BY CHOICE ARE ACTUALLY VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WANTING GREEN ARCHITECTURE AND KNOWING THAT THEY'RE IN ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE CITED AMONGST GREENERY, UM, THAT THEY'RE MORE ECOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE, UH, AND THAT THEY HAVE A REDUCED IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO SOME OF OUR REQUESTS ON THE PARKING SPACE SIZE IS TO ALSO TO THINK ABOUT WE'RE BEING MORE RESPONSIBLE TO FUTURE GENERATIONS BY REDUCING, WHILE IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A LOT TO REDUCE A FOOT OF A PARKING SPACE, A FOOT OF ASPHALT TAKES A LOT OF OIL IN THE WORLD TO MAKE PUT DOWN, MAINTAIN.
AND IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING SMARTER FOR THE EARTH LONG TERM, THAT'S PROBABLY ALL.
SO ALL OF OUR BENEFIT, UM, MY KIDS WILL BE THE RECIPIENT OF THAT BENEFIT AND HOPEFULLY MY GRANDKIDS AS WELL.
WE'VE BEEN USING THOSE SPACES AT ALL OF OUR PORTFOLIO AND OUR PROPERTY.
WE DO HAVE THOSE SPACE SIZES USED AT THE PARKVIEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NEVER IMPACTED OUR LEASING AND IT SURELY HAS NOT IMPACTED OUR WAIT LIST.
UH, WE'VE GOT A LENGTHY WAIT LIST RIGHT NOW WITH THAT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S PROOF THAT THAT'S NOT A, MAYBE A DRIVING FACTOR IN THEIR DECISION TO RENT, UH, WITH US.
WE LIKE TO THINK IT'S, IT'S OUR AMENITIES AND THE OTHER THINGS WE DO VERY UNIQUELY THAT REALLY MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THEM.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WITH THE, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PLANNING STAFF FOR MAKING US THINK A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE BOX OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A 1800 FEET OF BOARD FENCE ISN'T EXACTLY THE RIGHT SOLUTION EITHER.
I THINK THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF SOLUTIONS.
I THINK US STUDYING THE QUALITY OF THE TREES AND EVEN EVEN SCRUB AND BRUSH THAT EXISTS ALONG THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS, HAS A LOT OF MERIT.
UM, WE DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE IMPACTING ANY PLANTING THAT IS ON A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
UM, AND WHEN POSSIBLE, I EVEN THINK LETTING SCRUB BRUSHES BE EVENTUALLY THEY TURN INTO TREES.
IF THEY TURN INTO BIGGER THINGS, THE MORE WE CAN LET KIND OF THE NATURAL STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE REMAIN THERE IS PROBABLY REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE COULD DO.
AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN SUPPLEMENT THAT BUFFER, WE WILL.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A COMMITMENT OF OURS.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MASONRY, THIS PROJECT DOES ACTUALLY PROPOSE MORE MASONRY THAN PARKVIEW ALREADY HAS.
UM, BOTH ON THE BACK BUILDINGS AND DEFINITELY ON THE FRONT BUILDINGS.
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COME FROM A CULTURE OF THINKING MORE MASONRY ISN'T ALWAYS BETTER.AND WHEN I SAY THAT, UM, MY WIFE AND MY IN-LAWS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE, THE BRICK BUSINESS IN NORTHERN OHIO.
UH, THEY WORK A LOT WITH BEAN, WHICH YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IS IN A LOT OF YOUR HOMES AROUND HERE.
AND MY FATHER-IN-LAW WHO'S IN THE BRICK BUSINESS ALWAYS JOKES IF MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WOULD'VE LET HIM, HE WOULD'VE PUT BRICK IN THE BATHROOM WHILE THEIR HOME AS A LOT OF BRICK.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY AT TIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, I HOPE THIS ISN'T BEING STREAMED LIVE EXACTLY THE PRETTIEST JUST BECAUSE THAT HAS A LOT OF MASONRY ON IT.
AND SO JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE MASONRY DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ALWAYS BETTER.
IN FACT, A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL FORMS FROM COUNTRY HOUSES THAT YOU NAME IT, UH, DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS JUST HAVE MORE MASONRY ON THEM.
THEY CAN BE QUALITY DESIGN, THEY CAN BE BOARD AND BAT, AND THEY CAN BE SHINGLED, THEY CAN BE OTHER THINGS.
AS WE CONTINUE ON THE TRAVEL, THE PATH TOGETHER, GETTING TO THAT NEXT STEP OF WHAT THESE BUILDINGS OUGHT TO BE, WE WANT TO COMMIT TO A HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS LEVEL OF MASONRY, BUT JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT JUST BECAUSE IT HAS MORE MASONRY, IT ISN'T ALWAYS BETTER AND IT DOESN'T PRODUCE A BETTER ARCHITECTURE SOMETIMES, UH, JUST IN PROPORTION AND SIZE AND FEEL.
DOES IT FEEL HEAVY? DOES IT FEEL TOO LONG? A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN WHEN YOU INTRODUCE MORE MASONRY.
SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF, OF INCLUDING STONE BLUE STONE, NATURAL STONE, A LOT OF REFERENCES TO THE CREEK INTO NATURAL SETTINGS HERE, UM, AND MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.
THERE WAS A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT HEIGHT.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A 50 FOOT INDICATION IN THE ZONING TEXT.
UM, THE TALLEST BUILDING WE'VE ACTUALLY PROPOSED HERE IS ONLY THREE STORY.
THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NO FOUR STORY ARCHITECTURE PROPOSED HERE AT THIS TIME.
IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO PROPOSE A FOUR-STORY ARCHITECTURE WHERE FOUR-STORY ARCHITECTURE MAY BECOME IMPORTANT IS WHEN YOU GET A BUILDING THAT HAS A SIGNATURE ELEMENT THAT'S EVEN CLOSER TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAN BEING NORTH ON THE SITE OR EVEN NEAR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THAT'S WHEN YOU GET A TOWER ELEMENT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE EVER OVER AT PARKVIEW, YOU KNOW, OUR CLUBHOUSE HAS A, A ALMOST THREE STORY LITTLE TOWER ELEMENT THAT SITS UP ON THE FRONT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, HAS A HIGHER POINTED ROOF THAT WORKS OUT PRETTY WELL.
OR LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT AS WE, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF INTERESTED PARTIES IN SORT OF THAT COMMERCIAL SUB AREA SEA, THE RETAIL PIECE TO THE EAST ON THIS LAND IS TO JUST REMAIN AS FLEXIBLE, FLEXIBLE AS WE CAN FOR THEIR PURPOSES.
AND, AND THINKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE AND USES, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S GONNA BE I THINK, CRUCIAL TO FINDING THE RIGHT LOCAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT COMPONENT THAT, THAT FITS THAT SITE AND LET THEM COME UP WITH ICONIC ARCHITECTURE THAT MATCHES THE QUALITY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND OTHERS ARE DOING IN THIS DISTRICT.
UM, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY PRESENT THEIR PLAN FOR THIS BODY TO APPROVE SEPARATE FROM THIS REZONING REQUEST.
AND EVEN OUR FINAL PLAN WOULD NOT REPRESENT THEIR SITE PLAN AT THAT TIME.
THEY WOULD COME THROUGH ON A SECOND BITE OF THE APPLE AS WELL AND HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT THEY MET ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS LAID OUT HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, AND THEN JUST WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY DEALING WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES AGAIN, UM, AT THE SECOND BITE OF THE APPLE AND, AND SHOWING TO YOU THAT WE AGAIN CAN DELIVER A REALLY GOOD PRODUCT HERE IN THE CITY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PROUD OF, THAT SUPPORTS THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT COMPLIMENTS OUR EXISTING PROPERTY, BUT DOES SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY IS AS HIGH QUALITY AND AS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AS EVERYBODY WOULD HOPE IT TO BE.
SO IF I CAN ADD JUST ABOUT THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WIDTHS.
SO LOOKING AT THE PLANS, UM, THE WAY THE ROSE WAS SIGHTED, THERE IS RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY AND THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED AND WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS LOCATED, THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO ADD A LINE, AN EXTRA LANE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE.
UM, SO I THINK WE COULD ENTERTAIN DROP LANES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE, UM, STAFF IS GONNA BE OPPOSED TO PUSHING THOSE BUILDINGS MUCH FURTHER THAN THAN A THAN A FEW FEET BACK.
WE REALLY WANT TO SEE, UM, THOSE ELEMENTS BROUGHT TO THE STREET.
UM, SO AT THAT POINT WHERE IF THERE DID NEED TO BE A WIDENING, A FULL LANE WIDENING OF EXECUTIVE, IT'LL BE CHEAPER AND EASIER WITH THE GAS LINE, THE STREAM AND ALL THAT TO TAKE IT OFF THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY EXISTS THERE AND THE, THE SIDEWALK WAS BUILT BACK TO ADD FOR THAT LANE TO GO THROUGH.
SO JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. VAGO? I HAVE A FEW
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT TREES, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE AND WE DON'T KNOW, OR STAFF DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS ON THE PROPERTY OR IN THE YARDS.
CAN YOU TELL ME IF THOSE TREES ARE, OR
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IF ANY OF THE TREES ARE IN THE YARDS OF THE NEIGHBORS? JUST FOR CLARITY, WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK YOUR QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? I'LL MAKE SURE I GET IT.COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? OH, YES, I'M SORRY.
ARE ANY OF THE TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE IN THE YARDS OF THE NEIGHBORS, SO, OR ALL OF THE TREES ON YOUR PROPERTY? SO I, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL OF SURVEY COMPLETED.
WE DID NOT SURVEY ANYTHING FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT WAS, UM, IN THOSE RESIDENCE.
WHAT WE DO HAVE AS A PART OF OUR SURVEY AND WHAT IS REPRESENTED, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING HERE, I DON'T MEAN TO PEEL AWAY FROM YOU, BUT TO SEE IF THE, WELL, THE ALTA SURVEY THAT WE PROVIDED, WHICH WAS A PART OF THE SUBMITTAL PACKET, UM, IT REPRESENTS AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF LIKE A BRUSH AND DRIP LINE, UM, WHICH IS VERY PROTOTYPICAL AT THIS STAGE, UM, TO IDENTIFY WHERE EXISTING VEGETATION IS.
AND SO WE HAVE A RELATIVELY GOOD HANDLE ON WHERE THAT EXISTS TODAY, BUT WE HAVE NOT GONE TO THE EXTENT.
SO I COULD TELL YOU THERE ARE 20 TREES AND THEY'RE HERE, HERE, AND HERE.
UM, JUST TO REITERATE THE COMMENT JOE MADE, I MEAN, IF THERE ARE TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE CERTAINLY OFF OUR PROPERTY, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ANY PURVIEW OR RIGHT TO IMPACT.
AND, UM, AS WE MOVE TO THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAGE, OUR ENGINEERING AND THAT INFORMATION IS GONNA BECOME MORE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND OF COURSE, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO, BUT IF THE TREE IS IN A NEIGHBOR'S YARD AND THEY CUT IT DOWN, THEY'RE PERFECTLY ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, THE NATURAL RIGHT STUFF'S GONNA BE THERE.
UM, UH, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ALSO ABOUT THE, THE, UH, STREAM.
UH, DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE WALKING PATHS, ANY KIND OF, UH, IS THE STREAM LARGE ENOUGH TO DO THINGS LIKE RAFTING OR NO? YEAH, UN UNFORTUNATELY.
I MEAN THAT, UH, ALL CANDIDLY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS THAT SIGNIFICANT OF A, UM, OF A, YOU KNOW, WATER FEATURE.
I THINK MORE WE HAVE IT LABELED AS A STREAM THAT MAY BE A LITTLE MIS MISGUIDING, NOT IN, NOT INTENTIONALLY, IT'S MORE OF A VEGETATED KIND OF CONDITION THAT THROUGH INTENSE, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S VERY FAMILIAR.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WATER EVENTS AND THINGS THAT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PREVALENT IN THIS KIND OF WHOLE SECTION OF, OF HUMOR.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT THAT WILL VARY AND BE KIND OF THIS MORE OF AN ECOLOGICAL TYPE OF FEATURE.
UM, VARIETY OF KIND OF, UM, WOODY, WHAT WE, WHAT I, THIS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE REFER TO KIND OF WOODY NATURALIZED NATIVE TYPE PLANTINGS THAT, UM, THAT LIKE THOSE MOIST WET CONDITIONS THAT COME FROM ELEVATED RAINFALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S MORE OF A, PROBABLY MORE OF A PASSIVE KIND OF VISUAL TYPE OF THING THAT YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE.
UM, CERTAINLY AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING TO SEE, UH, OF WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ENGAGE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO CROSS IT TWO TIMES.
UM, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY, THE, THE, THE CLUBHOUSE AND THAT AMENITY SPACE, IT'S PURPOSELY PUT WHERE IT'S AT, THAT ACTUALLY FROM AN AERIAL IMAGE AND FROM KIND OF VISUAL RECONNAISSANCE, IT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE MORE, UM, UH, INTENSE KIND OF PLANTING AREAS.
SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF RESIDENT AMENITY SPACE UP AGAINST THAT CREEK.
SO THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE SOMETHING THERE THAT WE COULD DO.
SO, BUT HOW ABOUT WALKING PATHS? WE, UH, I, I PRESENTLY WE DON'T HAVE A PATH OR TRAIL OR ANYTHING THAT'S PROPOSED TO GO DOWN THROUGH THAT AREA OF, FOR ONE, ONE PRIMARY REASON IS TO PUT A PATH IN, YOU GOTTA IMPACT, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA DIG UP WHAT'S THEIR IMPACT.
SO I THINK OUR APPROACH WOULD BE TRYING TO FIND WAYS ALONG THE PERIPHERAL OF THAT KIND OF SETBACK AREA OR, OR KIND OF NO TOUCH AREA THAT WE'RE CREATING.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AREAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ENGAGE FURTHER, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, UH, ABOUT, UH, THE SPACE BETWEEN E AND H OR THAT GREEN SPACE THERE THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED.
YOU WERE CONSIDERING PERHAPS VOLLEYBALL COURTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING A PLAY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THESE ARE, YOU DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN THERE.
THAT, THAT WOULD NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A PLAYGROUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD BE MORE, UM, LIKE A WHAT WE WERE REFER TO AS A SPORTS SCORE POTENTIALLY MM-HMM.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS THAT YOU GET IT
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT ALL THREE OF YOU HAVE MADE A PRESENTATION
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THIS EVENING THAT YOU, YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS HAPPEN.UM, THAT MEANS A LOT ON, ON THEIR THREE STORY BUILDINGS.
DO YOU HAVE ELEVATORS? NO ELEVATORS.
EACH, THEY'LL BE BRE WHAT WE REFER TO AS BREEZEWAY CORRIDOR.
SO IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO PARKVIEW, YOU CAN SEE UHHUH
IT, THERE'S UNITS ON THE END, AND THEN THERE'S A SET OF STAIRWAYS THAT TAKES YOU UP TO EACH OF THE LEVELS.
SO THERE WILL NOT BE ELEVATORS IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND MY LAST QUESTION IS BETWEEN BUILDING A AND B THAT THOSE APPEAR TO BE THE CLOSEST, UH, BUILDINGS.
WHAT IS THE DISTANCE THAT YOU HAVE? UM, WE'RE PROBABLY, AND I'M, I'M JUST SCALING THIS OFF THE COPY THAT I HAVE, WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT 20 FEET APART.
IT'S A LITTLE DECEIVING THAT EVEN, EVEN THOSE TWO AREN'T CLOSE TO THE FIVE FEET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE, THE SIX FOOT, UH, THE SIX FOOT ZONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ISN'T REPRESENTED ON THE PLAN.
UM, IT'S REALLY PROBABLY GEARED MORE TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL SITE FOR THE FUTURE.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR ACCESSORY TRASH OR STORAGE UNIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, WE, WE WOULD NOT BE DOING TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CLOSE TOGETHER.
PROBABLY THE CLOSEST THING WE MAY HAVE WOULD BE IN THE AMENITY SPACE, A POOL HOUSE BUILDING.
BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT BEING SIX FEET FROM THE CLUBHOUSE EITHER.
SO, UM, IT'S, THAT'S REALLY GEARED TOWARDS COMMERCIAL, BUT OKAY.
SO YEAH, EVEN, EVEN THE CA CANOPIES AND TRELLISES WE MAY DO WOULD COUNT AS A STRUCTURE AND THOSE WOULD STILL BE SEPARATED OFF.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CASH? HAVE YOU GUYS GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO THE IMPACTS OF NOISE COMING FROM THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE? I SO, UM, THE, THERE'S AN OBVIOUS STATEMENT THAT THERE WILL BE NOISE AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA HEAR, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED ENOUGH.
UM, THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE DONE, I'VE BEEN A PART OF NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF SETTINGS WHERE UP AGAINST HIGHWAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF DYNAMIC EXISTS QUITE OFTEN.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE IS PROBABLY MORE OF A MARKETING AND AND DESIRABILITY TO BE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS WHERE YOU CAN LITERALLY WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CERTAINLY THERE MAY BE DAYS OR TIMES WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT IDEAL, BUT, UM, I BET IF YOU COOLED YOUR PARKVIEW RESIDENCE, THEY'RE PROBABLY HEARING SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S LOOKED AT AS A NEGATIVE AT ALL.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO, UM, MAY FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, A NEGATIVE THING PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA LOOK TO RENT HERE BECAUSE OF ITS ADJACENCY, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY, YEAH, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD FEEDBACK FROM THE PARKVIEW RESIDENTS THAT THEY'RE, THEY LOVE BEING BY THE ROWS THEY TRAVERSE OVER FOR SHOWS.
AND, UM, I, I LET TODD TAKE THAT BECAUSE I'M A MUSIC JUNKIE AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULDN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL IN MY PRE-CHILDREN DAYS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS OF PARKVIEW THAT LOVE IT AND DON'T CARE.
AND SOMETIMES IF A SHOW'S SOLD OUT, YOU CAN SIT OUT ON YOUR BALCONY OR WHATEVER AND HEAR, YOU KNOW, A BUDDY GUY OR WHOEVER'S COMING, SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES SIR.
AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
BY THE WAY, MY NAME'S ANDREW WALMAN.
I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, I PROBABLY HAVE BEEN HERE JUST SHY OF 30 YEARS.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK AARON, AARON, COULD YOU PUT THE DIAGRAM UP THAT SHOWS THE NORTHERN, UH, PROPERTY NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT SHOWS THE HOUSES? I SAW IT ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES.
WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, UH, WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, CAN YOU WRITE SIGN IN PLEASE? SURE.
I ALSO HAVE HAD BUSINESSES HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, SOME SUCCESSFULLY, UM, ONE, ONE THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF THE BACKSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
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YEAH, WELL, YEAH, THAT THIS, THERE YOU GO.I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE.
I LIVE RIGHT, RIGHT HERE, THIS AREA WITH THE BACK OF MY HOUSE IS TO THE, UH, TO THIS PROPERTY.
I, I, I LOVE ALL THE WORK THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS PRESENTATION AND EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE, BUT I DO HAVE TO, I DO HAVE TO SHOW SOME DISAGREEMENT AS TO, UH, REALLY YOUR QUESTION.
UH, MR. CASSIDY, I THOUGHT WAS A VERY GOOD ONE ABOUT THE NOISE BECAUSE THIS ES THIS AREA HAS A, A, A REAL HISTORY OF, OF NOISE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE WAS A ZONING, UM, LAW PASSED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AT THE TIME, REALLY, THAT THE ROSE WAS BEING BUILT AND THE ZONING COMMISSION DEVELOPED A NEW ZONING CODE.
AND THAT ZONING CODE, WHICH I'M GLAD YOU ADDRESSED REALLY, UM, WAS FOR A HILL AND TREES ON THE TOP OF THE HILL AND GRASS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD LOOK NICE TO BOTH SIDES, UH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF, OF WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT WAS THERE WAS GONNA BE.
AND IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE A BUFFER FOR THE ROADS AND THE HIGHWAY.
UM, I LIVE THERE AND I LIKE MUSIC, BUT I DO NOT LIKE ALL KINDS OF MUSIC AND I DO NOT LIKE ALL KINDS OF MUSIC BEING PLAYED AT 10 O'CLOCK ON A SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO BE TO WORK AT FIVE IN THE MORNING.
UM, I KNOW THE TURNOVER OF OUR HOUSES RIGHT IN THIS AREA HAS, HAS, HAS REALLY INCREASED SINCE THEY BROUGHT THE ROSE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ALWAYS UP FOR SALE.
THEY'RE ALWAYS BEING TURNED OVER.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE SOUND FROM THE ROSE IS VERY, I MEAN, IT'S A GROUP YOU LIKE, UM, ACTUALLY BACK HERE YOU CAN'T HEAR IT.
I MEAN, YOU HEAR IT, BUT THE WORDS GET MUFFLED DURING THE TRAVELING OF IT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
I WOULDN'T LIVE THERE, UM, MYSELF NOT WITH, UH, THE ROSE BEING WHERE IT IS.
THAT WILL BE EXTREMELY ANNOYING AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN JUST MILLENNIALS OR WHATEVER GROUP YOU THINK THEY'LL BE TARGETING.
AND IT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AT ONE TIME, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, I ASSUME, YOU KNOW, THE ROSE, UH, TO BUFFER THE SOUND, UH, BOUGHT SPENT $35,000 AS I UNDERSTAND ON CURTAINS.
AND I WAS LATER TOLD THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DID WITH THEM, BUT THEY WEREN'T USED MUCH ABOUT THE TIMES THEY STARTED TO USE.
MAYBE SOMEBODY DIDN'T LIKE, LIKE IT AND THEY GOT RID OF THEM.
UH, AT THE TIME I SAW 'EM USED, CUZ I WATCHED VERY CAREFULLY AT THE TIMES I SAW 'EM USE, IT WAS FOR THE RAIN TO KEEP THE RAIN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM GETTING WET.
BUT THEY DID A WAVE WITH THEM AND A LOT OF, UH, RESONANCES ON THE NORTH SIDE CAME.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW THAT THAT WAS GONNA CAUSE A LOT OF NOISE AND A LOT OF IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANNOYING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE EVERY ARTIST AND SOME OF THOSE ARTISTS ARE, ARE, ARE VERY LOUD.
NOT TO MENTION THESE ARTISTS COME AND THEY, THEY, THEY COME EARLY IN THE DAY, WAY BEFORE THE CONCERT, MAYBE IN THE MORNING EVEN TO PRACTICE.
WELL, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING MORE ANNOYING THAN THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO MELODY TO IT.
SO THE BROUGHT ME HERE TONIGHT WAS THE NOISE AND I ADDRESSED THE CITY COUNCIL BACK THEN WHEN, UH, I FOUND THAT THEY HAD DEVELOPED A NEW ZONING CODE, WHICH, UH, AARON'S BEEN HERE SEVERAL YEARS THAT SUPPOSEDLY NOBODY IS AWARE OF OR KNOWS WHAT IT IS.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS EVER, UH, UH, REJECTED OR PUT THE PASTURE AND THAT OTHER, AND, AND AS AARON POINTED OUT THAT YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE ZONING CODES, I GUESS, FOR THIS AREA.
THE FIRST REASON THAT I WAS HERE.
AND UH, WELL THE ONLY REASON I WAS HERE UNTIL I HEARD SOME OF THIS, THE, UM, I WOULD ASK THE ZONING COMMISSION TO THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE,
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YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD BY THE DEVELOPER BACK THEN THAT THEY WOULD PUT UP THIS AND FOLLOW IT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN 10 YEARS OR I'M NOT SURE HOW OLD THE ROSE IS, BUT, UH, IT'S NEVER HAPPENED.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE MORE THAN ASSURANCES, YOU KNOW, THAT IT ALL HAPPENED.
I'D LIKE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN THE CODE OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A FEW THINGS THAT I HEARD.
AND, AND THE ONE WAS GOING TO BE THE, THE, THE NOISE COMING FROM, UH, THE ROSE TO THE, THESE FRONT APARTMENTS, BUT THEY'LL ALL GET IT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE TOUGH ANYWAY.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, AARON SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ORGANIC, UM, UH, MOVEMENT FOR ENTERTAINMENT IN THIS AREA, RIGHT? AND IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED BY, UH, ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN, UH, TO THE NORTH IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WOULD BE, UH, OR SOMEONE MIGHT BE DEVELOPING IT EVEN FURTHER.
UM, THIS LAND, THIS IS THE TRAP OF WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OKAY, SO THEY ARE RIGHT UP TO MY HOUSE.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MINE RIGHT THERE.
UM,
THIS IS ROLLING GLEN DRIVE AND I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT.
THERE'S THE CURB, RIGHT? I THOUGHT I'M ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S HUH? NO, THIS IS ROLLING GLEN.
NO, THAT'S ROLLING GLEN STRAIGHT.
ANYWAY, SO LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
THEY MENTIONED THAT, UH, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE THAT VERBOSE, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT I HEARD AND, AND I HEARD ABOUT THE ORGANIC, UH, MOVEMENT TOWARDS THIS BEING AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
I PERSONALLY SEE THIS PROJECT AS A, UH, UH, THAT'S GONNA THWART THAT.
UM, I REMEMBER BEFORE THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE AND WE HEARD THINGS WERE COMING, A LOT OF NEIGHBORS TALKING WHEN WE HEARD THERE WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING BUILT ALONG THE, THE, UH, TYPE OF A, THE GREEN IN BEAVER CREEK, UM, OR SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN UM, UH, COLUMBUS.
WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A LOT OF ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AND PUT SOME APARTMENTS IN OR, YOU KNOW, UH, CONDOS OR WHATEVER YOU GOT, UH, LIKE THEY HAVE AT THE GREEN.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ON DOING HERE.
SO, WELL NOW THIS, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT AND I'M SURE IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE OTHER ONE, WHICH IT PROBABLY WILL BE, IT'S GONNA COMMIT YOU.
IT'S USING SO MUCH OF THE LAND THAT YOU AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH OF THE, UH, UH, ENTERTAINMENT.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A FEW RESTAURANTS THERE, A BAR, UM, WHICH CERTAINLY IS IMPORTANT.
UM, I THINK WE NEED MORE OF IT.
AND FROM WHAT I HEARD, UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS AREA AND, AND THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING MORE LIKE THE GREEN.
AND I THINK THAT WILL BE EXCITING.
YOU'VE GOT I 70, YOU'RE UH, ABOUT TWO MILES FROM ONE OF THE BIGGEST INTERSECTIONS IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULD WORK WELL.
SO I THINK ONCE YOU'VE COMMITTED TO DOING THE THIS PROJECT, I THINK YOU'VE LIMITED, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU SOLD OUT YOUR LAND.
I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING MORE YOU CAN DO WITH IT.
UM, THAT'S MY OPINION AND I I ONLY MENTION IT.
I DON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING TO ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, OTHER THAN THE SOUND BARRIER.
BUT, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO, IF YOU WOULD, TO UH, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR CONFERENCE OR WHATEVER, UH, AND DISCUSSION, UH, YOU MIGHT THINK AHEAD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK SOMETHING WITH MORE ENTERTAINMENT AND THESE APARTMENTS MIXED IN LIKE THEY ARE IN THE OTHER CITIES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC BECAUSE YOU DON'T, I MEAN WE WANT TO SEE THAT HERE IN HUBER, NOT HAVE TO GO TO BEAVER CREEK.
I MAKE A COMMENT FOR CLARIFICATION.
SORRY, JUST A COMMENT FOR CLARIFICATION.
CAUSE I, I, HE TALKED TO PEOPLE AROUND TOWN TO GET THIS
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PART MIXED UP.THE CITY DOESN'T OWN THIS LAND.
THIS IS A TRANSACTION BETWEEN THAT OWNER AND THAT DEVELOPER AND THE PROJECT THEY'RE BRINGING FORWARD.
YEAH, SO THIS IS NOT A PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS BUILDING OR SELLING THE LAND, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
CAUSE THAT THAT GOES AROUND TOWN A LOT.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS, THIS IS AS IF YOU WERE SELLING YOUR CAR TO SOMEBODY DOWN THE STREET.
SO THIS IS THE NEW DOLLAR PROPERTY? NO? YES, YES IT IS.
THIS IS THE NEW, YEAH, IS THE FIELD IN MY BACKYARD.
THANK YOU FOR THE CARD INVITE AND FOUR POINT FRONT
UM, I HAVE LIVED ON ROLLING GLEN FOR ONLY LIKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
BUMMER, RIGHT? BUT I'VE LIVED IN HUBER SINCE I TRANSITIONED OUT OF THE AIR FORCE AND I RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE, SO, UM, LET ME WRITE AND TALK AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO I HOPE THIS JUST ISN'T A FORMALITY THAT WE'RE HERE, UM, THAT WE WERE INVITED AND THAT IT'S ALREADY DECIDED.
IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF MOVING FORWARD WORDS USED, BUT EVEN IF IT IS, WE'RE HERE ANYWAY.
SO, UM, I JUST KIND OF WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CITIZENS AND UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT THEIR WANTS ARE AND IF THAT'S KIND OF TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UM, WHEN BIG DECISIONS LIKE THIS ARE MADE.
SO, UM, THE POPULATION OF HUBER, YOU KNOW, IS AROUND 43,000 AND THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS ONLY 69,184.
SO THESE PARKVIEW APARTMENTS THAT ARE LOVELY DOWN THE STREET, UM, THE TWO BEDROOM GO FOR ABOUT $1,500 A MONTH.
SO THE AVERAGE HUBER HEIGHTS PERSON THAT LIVES HERE ALREADY WILL NOT BE ENJOYING THIS SITE.
SO MAYBE YOU WANNA BRING OTHER PEOPLE INTO THE CITY CUZ IT'S MORE REVENUE AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
THAT MAKES SENSE TOO, I GUESS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE.
I THINK WE HAVE LOVELY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.
UM, I LIKE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF OUR CITY.
I LIKE THAT WE DON'T ALL LOOK THE SAME.
I HOPE THAT THAT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE.
UM, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PLACE THAT'S GOING TO BE DESIGNED, THAT'S GOING TO JUST HAVE COUPLES COME, UM, NO KIDS, NOBODY WITH DISABILITIES, MAYBE NO MINORITIES.
IS THAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, HUBER HEIGHTS WANTS IN THEIR FUTURE? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR IN THIS DISTRICT? CUZ THE REASON WORK WING IS COMING TO HUBER IS BECAUSE THE BLUE COLLARED WORKERS IN HUBER HEIGHTS DRANK SO MUCH BEER DURING COVID THAT THEY DECIDED TO MOVE HERE.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BUILDING HERE
SO, UM, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU ARE REALLY TAKING IN MIND AND HAVE THE PULSE ON HUBER HEIGHTS AS IS AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN GROW INTO.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD PLACE TO LIVE NOW OR I WOULDN'T HAVE RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE.
HARD TO TELL THAT, RIGHT? SO WHEN I SAY NOBODY WITH DISABILITIES, I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF STRANGE IN 2023.
WE DON'T USE UNIVERSAL DESIGN WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THINGS.
I'M AN OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST BY, YOU KNOW, TRADE AND NOBODY WITH A WALKER OR A WHEELCHAIR CAN GET OUT OF ANY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES
SO, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, ADA COMPLIANCE IS IMPORTANT.
PLACES THAT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT ABILITIES CAN LIVE IS IMPORTANT.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH AT THE VA THAT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND, BUT THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE
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TO LIVE CUZ THEY HAVE DISABILITIES.NOBODY'S BUILDING PLACES THAT THEY CAN LIVE IN.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IS THIS GONNA BE ON A BUS ROUTE? UM, ARE PEOPLE GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET TWO JOBS AND WORK? UM, OR WE DON'T WANT THOSE PEOPLE HERE.
I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD BE ON A BUS ROUTE.
THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CARBON FOOTPRINT, I WOULD RATHER HAVE MY AUNT OR SOMEBODY I LOVE IN A WHEELCHAIR COME VISIT THAN SAVE THE WORLD WITH ONE LESS POUND OF ASPHALT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, JUST, I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD THINK ABOUT HUBER HEIGHTS.
THINK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WE ALREADY REALLY HAVE WITH TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU GUYS HAD THE FOLKS JUST IN HERE THE OTHER DAY SAYING THEY CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE TOILET FLUSHING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE TURNS.
I MEAN, THE WASTEWATER PEOPLE ARE AT FULL CAPACITY.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING TO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY TO REDO ALL THAT.
SO, UM, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT APARTMENTS ARE ENTERTAINING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO ONE.
NO FUN WAS HAD AT ANY APARTMENT I WAS AT.
SO THE ROSES ENTERTAINING, YOU KNOW, UM, RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE ENTERTAINING.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS REALLY, TO ME NOT ENTERTAINING AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO MOVE.
HAD I KNOWN THIS, THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A ZONING CHANGE, I WOULD'VE NEVER BOUGHT ON THAT PARTICULAR LAND.
SO, BUT, UH, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY REALLY, THEIR TARGETED DEMOGRAPHIC IS HIGH QUALITY CLASS A PEOPLE.
WELL, UM, I JUST LIKE REGULAR PEOPLE.
COULD I JUST CLARIFY ONE THING? OKAY.
OR, OR MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT EVERYONE SITTING UP HERE ON THIS DIOCESE IS A CITIZEN OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
I, I, SO I, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS OUR CITY TOO.
AND LET'S TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC AS FAR AS WHY WE'RE HERE.
I LIVE IN THE THIRD HOUSE DOWN FROM APPLEGATE ON ROLLING GLEN.
SO THE BACKYARD, ACCORDING TO THIS, IS LIKE WHERE BUILDING I CORNER OF IT IS.
SO I WAS CONCERNED, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THEM SAY THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT BUILDINGS LOOKING DOWN INTO OUR BACKYARDS.
AND THAT, UH, MY QUESTIONS PERTAIN TO HOW FAR IS IT BETWEEN LIKE BUILDING I AND THE PARKING UNIT THERE AND THEN BEHIND IT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
COULD YOU DIRECT YOUR QUESTION TO, TO ME PLEASE? OH, SURE.
UM, I HEARD 25, I HEARD 25 FEET FROM THE PARKING GARAGE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN.
AND THEN HOW MUCH SPACE IS IT IN THE FRONT OF THE PARKING GARAGE UP TO THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS? THAT'LL BE THREE STORIES TALL LOOKING DOWN ON OUR BACKYARDS.
MR. CERRO, CAN YOU ANSWERED THAT? YES.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE MY SCALE WITH ME, BUT ROUGH THUMBS, UM, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND LET ME GET A BETTER PICTURE.
CAUSE IT'S THE NORTHERN EDGE OBVIOUSLY THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND I THINK, THERE WE GO.
UM, AND THE, AND BUILDING I IS ABOUT, IT LOOKS TO ME AROUND A HUNDRED AND HUNDRED.
THAT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
TO THE FIRST, TO THE, THE BUILDING I A HUNDRED FEET FROM WHERE A AND B KIND OF SIT TO NO, NO, FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE, UHHUH,
I I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAD, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
JUST ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET, MAYBE 105.
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AND YOU, AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP IT TO THREE STORIES.AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW MANY FEET IS FROM YOUR PROPERTY LINE TO YOUR HOUSE? IT'S GOOD SIZE, I THINK.
I THINK I GOT, SO WHEN I SCALED OUT, WHEN I SCALED OUT EARLIER, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
SO THE TYPICAL HOUSE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE, OF THE GARAGE.
CUZ I, WHERE YOU'RE STANDING THERE, WHERE YOU JUST POINTED UP IS YOU GO TWO TO THE LEFT WHERE THAT LITTLE WHITE STICK IS.
IT'S LIKE A PATIO CUP, THE OTHER SIDE THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S A PATIO YES.
COVER THAT'S, SO BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE BACKS OF, FROM YOUR PATIO TO THE BACK OF THE GARAGE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, I KNOW YOU CAN'T ADDRESS EVERYTHING I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE DETAILED PLAN BECAUSE THERE ARE, LIKE, I HAVE SIX BIG TREES ALONG THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY THAT I CAN'T TELL IF IT, TWO OF 'EM, A WALNUT AND A HICKORY ARE ON MY PROPERTY.
BUT THEN THERE'S FOUR LIKE OTHER TALL TREES.
THE BIGGEST TREE ON THE WHOLE AREA IS IN THE CORNER OF MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD, IN MY YARD.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING A BUFFER OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ACCESS FROM THIS A ACCOM THIS COMPLEX INTO MY YARD.
I'M GONNA LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING I DON'T CARE IF IT'S AN 1800 FOOT LONG FENCE, I'M GONNA FENCE MY YARD IN BECAUSE OF THIS.
BUT I STILL, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS.
NOW I ALSO HAVE A BIG QUESTION.
I JUST HAD MY BACKYARD ALL DUG UP IN THE ELECTRICAL AND GAS LINE EASEMENTS FOR SOME ORANGE CABLE STUFF THAT WENT THROUGH.
WILL BUILDING THIS COMPLEX TAP INTO THE, THAT ELECTRICAL OR WILL THAT COME FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE? THAT MY YARD WON'T BE ACCESSED WHILE THIS IS BEING BUILT.
BUILT THAT WILL COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR POWER STUFF.
ALL, ALL OF THE UTILITIES SHOULD COME FROM EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THE DETAILED PLANE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S INVOLVED? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE GONNA BE A, A PROPERTY LINE DRAWN? I DON'T KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, WIRE FENCE THING THAT'S ACROSS THE BACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ACTUAL LINE.
DO I HAVE TO GO GET IT SURVEYED OR WILL THIS BE SURVEYED OR NO? IS THAT ON THE CITY? THIS, THIS WILL BE PART OF THE SURVEY THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY LINE DRAWING WILL BE PART OF THE SURVEY FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
BECAUSE THERE ARE ESCAPES IN THAT BACKYARD BY THE FENCE TOO THAT IT'S HARD TO TELL.
I LIKE THE IDEA LEAVING SOME OF THAT LITTLE SCRUB BACK THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GOES UP BEHIND THE FENCE EVERY YEAR.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT PART GOES.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE NOISE FROM THE ROSE, ALL YOU ALL I HEAR IS THE BIG DEEP BASE ON A CONSTANT BASIS.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GET USED TO IT.
I DON'T HEAR INTERSTATE 70 ANYMORE.
I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE LIVED OUT HERE, I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE INTERSTATE 70 WASN'T BUILT YET.
SO I'VE BEEN ALL THE WAY UP THIS PLAT ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN AND NOW UP HERE.
AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY FOREVER HOME.
SO I DON'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING BAD COME IN THERE.
I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE COMMERCIAL LIKE, LIKE A RESTAURANT OR AN OFFICE BUILDING OR SOMETHING IS WHAT WAS GOING TO COME INTO THAT AREA.
THAT WAS LIKE HE WAS SAYING THAT WAS THE PLAN.
SO IT WAS LIKE, THAT'S TOLERABLE.
SO, AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING OUR RESIDENTS.
SO IF WE KNOW, OH, AND, AND THE WATER PRESSURE WITH THIS MANY UNITS COMING IN, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE WATER PRESSURE FOR THAT? I CANNOT ANSWER MR. ELS ALL THAT.
SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ON A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.
YOU SHOULD SEE NO NOTICE, YOU SHOULD SEE NO DIFF NOTHING NOTICEABLE IN YOUR WATER PRESSURE.
YOU'RE NOT ON THE SAME, I MEAN YOU'RE ON THE SAME WATER SYSTEM, BUT THE WAY THIS WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON YOUR WATER PRESSURE AT YOUR PLACE.
THE, THE WATER LINES ARE NOT IN CLOSE TO PULLING OFF WHERE YOU'RE AT.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BRANT PIKE.
THE TURN LANES INTO EXECUTIVE, INTO PARKVIEW, INTO SHOLL ROAD.
NONE OF 'EM, 'EM ARE LONG ENOUGH FOR THE PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WILL BE ADDRESSED AT ANOTHER MEETING.
BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY AN ISSUE.
AND I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO HEAR ALL OF YOU BE CONCERNED.
I WAS CONCERNED WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THINKING OF THE WHOLE HUBERT HEIGHTS AREA, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT SO MANY NEW OIL CHANGE PLACES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE INPUT AS TO WHO
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WANTS TO BUILD ON WHAT, BACK TO MR. MRS. VAGOS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVE HERE, SO WE ARE, WE'RE AS CONCERNED AS YOU ARE.AND WE DO THIS AS A VOLUNTEER AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE TO THE EAST OF THIS, HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? NO, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REAL CONCEPTS YET.
THERE, THEY'RE STILL SURVEYING THE PROPERTY.
UM, IF I WERE TO MAKE A, IF I WERE A HAZARD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY THERE MIGHT BE CONCEPT PLANS THAT COME THROUGH, EITHER AS AN INFORMAL REVIEW OR SOMETHING IN THE NEXT, IF IT I 30, 45 DAYS.
CUZ WE HAVE THIS UNIT, WE HAVE THAT UNIT.
WE HAVE ONES AT THE MARION MEADOWS.
WE HAVE ONES OVER AT TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE.
HOW MANY AND HOW MANY UNITS IN PARKVIEW ARE RENTED? ARE THERE EMPTY UNITS? THERE'S A WAIT LIST.
SO, SO PEOPLE ARE ARE, ARE WAITING TO MOVE INTO HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THERE IS INDEED A NEED FOR YES.
ALL OF THESE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
AND THAT'S, IT'S NOT JUST IN HUBER HEIGHTS, BY THE WAY.
WE'VE BEEN UNDERBUILT FOR A DECADE AND MULTI-FAMILY HOME HAS BEEN ON THE RISE FOR A LONG TIME.
FOR THE RENT BY CHOICE MOBILITY.
THERE'S, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST HERE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, YOU SAID, YOU ANSWERED THAT ONE.
OH, UH, IT SAID 320, THE LITTLE CARD SAID 312.
ARE WE TALKING LIKE, IF IT'S A THREE STORY BUILDING AND THERE'S 11 BUILDINGS, IS THAT LIKE 30 UNITS OF BUILDING OR LIKE 10 UNITS PER FLOOR? IS THAT WHAT'S PROBABLY PROPOSED? I HAVE THE FLOOR, THE DRAFT FLOOR PLANES IF YOU WANT TO SEE 'EM.
UM, I THINK IN THE, IN THE LARGEST IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
IT'S ABOUT, IN THE LARGEST LIKE COMPLEX IS I THINK 1212 UNITS PER FLOOR.
UM, FOR A THREE STORY, WHAT'S, WHAT SIZE ARE THE UNITS PROPOSED? LIKE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
BECAUSE TWO B ONE OR TWO BEDROOMS, THEY'RE NOT THAT BIG.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD, HUH? I, I THINK THEY'RE, I'LL GET WITH YOU AFTERWARDS CUZ I, I CAN'T DO THAT QUICK MATH.
SO THE BIG THING IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAP INTO THE UTILITIES IN THE BACK OF MY YARD.
AND THAT WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS BETWEEN THIS AND OUR BACKYARD.
THAT'S THE HUGE THING ABOUT THAT.
IS CUZ I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING HICKORY AND WALNUT AND GOOD STUFF.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE HICKORY TABLE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN HERE.
I LIVE TWO DOORS DOWN FROM THERE.
UM, BUT AGAINST THE, I'M BASICALLY RUNNING BETWEEN BUILDINGS G AND F.
UM, OF COURSE, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, UH, IT WAS, THE, THE FIELD IN THE BACK WAS GREAT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT WE, BUT WE KNEW ALWAYS IT WAS A COMMERCIAL LAND AND IT WAS SOME DAY THERE WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
AND, UM, LIKE THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE UP HERE, UH, FELT THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILDING BUSINESSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, I HAVE TWO MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THIS AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD, UM, PRIVACY SPEAK UP A LITTLE, SIR.
YEAH, PULL PRIVATE PRIVACY AND SECURITY.
THAT'S MY TWO BIGGEST THINGS FOR, WE, WE, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN OUR BACKYARD.
I HAVE GOOD, UM, UH, PATIOS AND GRILLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE BE VIEWED UPON BY A THREE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
UM, IN ABOUT, IN, WE HAVE TREES ALONG THE BACK, WHICH I I REALLY HOPE THAT THOSE AREN'T GONNA BE TORNED DOWN OR, OR REMOVED WHEN THE LEAVES ARE OUT, PRETTY MUCH WILL BE OKAY.
BUT, UM, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, AND THOSE TREES, I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE LINE.
THERE'S SOME IN THE YARDS OR SOME OUTSIDE THE YARDS.
I MEAN, THEY ARE REALLY RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINES ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A HIT OR MISS ON THAT.
UM, BUT IF THEY'RE LEFT ALONE, THAT WOULD BE SUPER.
UM, KEEP THE TREES THERE, KEEP A NICE BUFFER BETWEEN THAT, THE 25 FEET THAT'S GOING THERE.
IF WE PROPOSE HILLS AND TREES AND OTHER THINGS THERE TO, TO, TO CREATE A PRIVACY SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, PEOPLE AREN'T IN A THIRD STORY LOOKING DOWN ON US, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
UM, WHAT TYPE OF MEASURES ARE GONNA BE FOR THE BACK THERE? WILL THERE BE, UM, CAMERAS BACK THERE VIEWING
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THOSE AREAS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS IT'S SECURE, THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING ANYBODY BE ABLE TO, UM, ACCESS OUR BACKYARDS AT ALL.SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A QUESTION I'D LIKE TO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF YOU GUYS CAN ADDRESS THAT.
YEAH, SO I, I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE ANY SECURITY CAMERAS BACK THERE.
WE, WE WOULD PROHIBIT, UM, PACK LIGHTS SO THAT THERE'S NOT LIGHT FROM THE, UM, GARAGES INTO THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
SO, I MEAN, MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE.
IN FACT, WE WOULD PROHIBIT LIGHTING BACK.
THERE'S JUST SO IT'S NOT SHINING INTO YOUR BACKYARD.
IT'S JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET BACK THERE, WHATEVER.
UM, AND I DID REMEMBER ONE MORE QUESTION.
BUILDINGS, G AND F BESIDES OF THOSE BUILDINGS, WILL THERE BE WINDOWS THERE? ARE THOSE GONNA BE BLOCKED OFF GNF FACING NORTH? THOSE, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DO NOT HAVE WINDOWS.
AND IF AARON, IF SO, I'D IMAGINE IT'D BE LIKE THE TRANSOM WINDOW FROM THE BATHROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE HAD TALKED TO, IF THEY HAD ANY WINDOWS AT ALL.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LIVING ROOM WINDOWS.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE LAYOUT, BUT UNLIKELY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL MCLEOD AND I AM A NEW FIRST HOME OWNED, UH, BUYER.
I HAVE ACTUALLY NOT BEEN LIVING HERE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR YET.
AND TO SHOW YOU LIKE WHERE I LIVE WITH DE THIS NORTH OF THIS T INTERSECTION HERE.
AND SO LIKE WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING A HOME OPEN, OPEN, AS I MOVED IN, THE, THESE NEIGHBORS MOVED OUT, UH, DOORS DOWN TO EVERYTHING THEY SWAPPED OUT IS WHAT THEY DROPPED MOVEMENT.
AND THEN TWO DOORS, THE OTHER DIRECTION, NEIGHBORS GONNA BE MOVED OUT.
BUT I HAVE, UH, SLEW OF QUESTIONS.
SOME OF THEM BEEN BROUGHT UP AND I WANTED TO ADD MORE LIGHT INTO THEM AND, UH, SOME OTHER NEW ONES.
SO IN TERMS OF SOUND, HAS THERE ACTUALLY BEEN CONSIDERATION OF A SOUND STUDY? SO, UH, SOUND IS A WAVE.
SO WE KNOW IT RE IT REFLECTS IT DEFRACTIONS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU CAN HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE AND DECONSTRUCTIVE, UH, INTERFERENCE.
AND SO DESTRUCTIVE INTERFERENCE, THAT'S JUST GONNA RAISE THE GENERAL BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, NEARLY LIKE SIGNIFICANT.
AND THAT WOULD BE PRIMARILY FROM THE ROSE CENTER AND I 70 BECAUSE ON MY SECOND, UH, STORY, UH, FOR GOING TO BED AND SUCH, IF THERE'S ENOUGH, UH, BIG RIGS, THE TRUCK'S GOING BY, IT CAN CAUSE ENOUGH OF A VIBRATION THAT YES, I CAN FEEL THAT IN MY, UH, HOME, BUT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WAKE ME UP OR PREVENT ME FROM GOING TO SLEEP.
AND SO SAME WITH THE ROSE CENTER.
IT'S LOUD ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN GET THE VIBRATIONS IN THE HOME AND SUCH FROM THE LOUD MUSIC.
SO NOW WHEN YOU ARE ADDING IN THESE OTHER ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS, HOW ARE THESE SOUNDS FROM THE ROW CENTER AND NOW I 70 GONNA INTERACT WITH THOSE BUILDINGS AND THUS, UH, IMPACT THE HOMES TO THE NORTH IT.
AND SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE AGAIN, IS COULD THERE BE A SOUND STUDY DONE TO SHOW THAT IT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE SOUND, MEANING, UH, TO LIKE DAMPEN IT IN SUCH A WAY? OR ARE YOU GONNA GET SCENARIOS WHERE IT ACTUALLY AMPLIFIES IT AND THEREFORE HURTS THOSE MORE TOWARDS THE NORTH? SO IT'S JUST KIND OF MORE GENERAL QUESTION AND A CONCERN TO BE POSSIBLY BE LOOKED INTO.
IT WAS ALSO RECENTLY BROUGHT UP THE SECURITY.
UH, SO IT'S STATISTICALLY KNOWN THAT WHEN GARAGES ARE SEPARATED FROM, UH, A HOME, THEY'RE TYPICALLY BROKEN INTO.
SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION COMES FROM IS THERE GONNA BE A LARGER POLICE PRESENCE, UH, IN THE AREA, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THESE, UH, GIVEN, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES? OR IS THERE GONNA BE ANY ADDITIONAL GARAGE SECURITY, UH, ASIDE FROM LIGHTING? SO I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER AS FAR AS THAT, I MEAN, FROM A, FROM A POLICING STANDPOINT, IT'S, IT'S, WE WOULD PATROL, LIKE WE WOULD PATROL ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREA, RIGHT? YOU WANT US TO, IF YOU, IF YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE IS STILL DIRECT US, WE CAN DO ALL AT ONCE, CORRECT? YES.
AND SO THE REASON THAT FOR BRINGING THAT PART UP ABOUT SECURITY IS IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE MORE BREAK-INS IN THE GIVEN AREA, THAT'S GOING TO RAISE OUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE,
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WHICH WE ALL DO NOT WANT SOME ADDITIONAL COST ADDED ON.SO IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PARK VIEW, UH, COMPLEX THAT HAS FINISHED UP BACK IN LIKE 2020, I BELIEVE.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES RESTRICTED INCOME MEAN WHEN I LOOKED UP INTO IT? UH, SO I GUESS THAT'S MORE FAMILIAR BECAUSE YOU GUYS OWN IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS, WOULD THESE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE THE SAME LABEL TO IT? WILL THEY HAVE RESTRICTED INCOME THUS, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN THEN? SO WHEN YOU COME UP TO ANSWER THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT TO GO ALONG WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, SO AGAIN, IS IT OVER ONE DAY, COUPLE OF WEEKS? I DO NOT KNOW.
BUT MY CONCERN WOULD BE, ARE THEY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE ADDITIONAL POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THE 530, UH, U UNITS, AGAIN, POSSIBLY TO THE EAST.
SO SOMETHING AGAIN, TO, UH, BRING THE LIGHT.
AND ALSO BECOMING IN HERE, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT BEFORE I EVEN READ INTO THE AGENDA AND SEEING ALL OF THESE, UH, SCHEMATICS AND THESE PLANS, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION AGAIN, MAKING AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
SO A MIX OF THE, UH, SIT-IN, UH, DINING, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS LIKE TJ CHUMPS OR I BELIEVE NOW WINGS IS MOVING IN.
SO I WAS EXPECTING, UH, A BIT MORE OF THOSE.
AND I READ A NEWS ARTICLE, I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS OLD, THAT THAT WAS AGAIN, THE MORE GENERAL WANT OF THE COMMUNITY IS GETTING MORE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IN THIS GIVEN AREA.
CAUSE I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE SPLIT BETWEEN BRANT AND TROY.
OTHERWISE IT'S MOSTLY FAST FOOD.
AND SINCE THAT'S SO NEW TO THE AREA AND THEREFORE EXPLORING IT OUT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, GOOD TO KNOW IF I'M FULLY WRONG, THAT THERE'S SO FEW IN THE GIVEN AREA.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THOSE TREES, UH, ALONG THAT BACK FENCE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM WHERE I LIVE, THERE IS A SLEW OF TREES ALONG THAT FENCE LINE THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THEY'RE NOT, UH, PART OF OUR, AS HOMEOWNERS, THEY BELONG TO THAT FIELD RIGHT BEHIND.
SO AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS IF THEY HAVE TO DO ANY, UH, GRADING CHANGES TO GET THOSE, UH, PARKING GARAGES PUT IN, WHAT IS THE, UH, LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE TREES TO BE TAKEN DOWN OR CAN THEY BE PRESERVED AND THUS PUT BACK OR NEW ONES PLANTED TO KEEP THAT GIVEN? UH, LIKE ARBERY, UH, TREE, UH, BASICALLY A BREAKER BAR, UH, IN BETWEEN THE TWO LIKE MAJOR PROPERTIES, SO ALL OF HIS HOMEOWNERS.
AND THEN THUS THIS GIVEN, UH, COMPLEX.
AND AGAIN, CONCERN IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING AR AREA C IS GOING TO BE FOR COMMERCIAL USE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO NO, A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT BARS CORRECT AND WHATNOT.
HOW MANY DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIT IN THERE? BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THE WARPED WING, UH, BUILDING, IF THAT IS THE GENERAL SIZE OF WHAT A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT SIZE WOULD BE FITTING THAT IN THERE, YOU'D ONLY GET ONE BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME PARKING, UH, AS WELL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UNLESS YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO PARK AT THE ROAD CENTER AND THEN CROSS THE STREET A WHOLE DIFFERENT MATTER AT THAT POINT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AGAIN TO THE LOT TO THE EAST WHERE THESE 530 ARE, BECAUSE IF ANYTHING, ALL IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS A WHOLE.
BUT IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE, UH, FOR THAT GIVEN AREA.
UH, QUESTION THAT WOULD BE FOR THEM.
UH, IT WOULD BE, UH, ADDING IN THESE ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCES SINCE MY TIME HERE WORKING IN THE YARD AND SUCH, I'VE HAD VERY LITTLE ISSUES WITH MOSQUITOES.
I HAD MY APARTMENT DOWN IN BEAVER CREEK BEHIND THE SWINE HOSPITAL WHO HAD PLENTY OF PONDS OUT AND AROUND AND THE OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES, ROADS AWAY ALSO HAD PONDS.
AND THERE WAS A BIG MOSQUITO PROBLEM TO WHERE YOU'D GO OUTSIDE WALKING YOUR DOG AND YOU'D BE BITTEN.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE GONNA BE, UH, MOSQUITO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE SUCH AS, UH, WHEN THEY'RE, UH, MATING AN EGG LAYING SEASON, KEEPING THAT SUPPRESSION, UH, GOING, MAKING SURE THAT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE A PROBLEM TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
I THINK THAT IS MORE OF MY CONCERNS THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP.
I HAD TO BE WRITING DOWN A LOT OF THEM.
AND SO AGAIN, AS, UH, JUST CONFIRMATION WHEN YOU SAY UTILITIES, DO YOU ALSO MEAN INTERNET? YEAH, SO I THINK, I BELIEVE WE HAVE FIBER RUNNING, UH, ALONG THERE.
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UM, GAS, WATER, SEWER, ALL OF THAT ALONG YOU'RE SAYING ALONG THE EXECUTIVE? CORRECT.BECAUSE I BELIEVE, UH, THE LADY, UH, BEING BROUGHT, BRINGING UP ABOUT THEM DIGGING THE TRENCHES AND WHATNOT, I THINK THAT'S AT AND T FIBER GOING THROUGH AND THEY HAVEN'T HIT MY LOT YET, BUT IT'S STILL MARKED.
AND SO THAT'S WAS AGAIN, THE CONCERN OF, UH, THIS COMPLEX SIPHONING OFF OF THAT.
CAUSE I KNOW INTERNET COMPANIES LOVE TO DO THAT TO HELP MINIMIZE THE COST FOR SPREADING THEIR LINES AROUND DOWN THE BACK, THE FIELD AREA.
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? I BELIEVE THAT IS MOST OF THEM, AND SO IT WOULD DEPEND ON SOME OF THE ANSWERS, BUT YES.
I CAN, UH, RESPOND TO A FEW OF THESE ITEMS HERE.
UM, WE'VE HEARD SECURITY A COUPLE TIMES, WHICH IS SORT OF A, AN INTERESTING ONE FOR US.
UM, WE WOULD NEVER PUT CAMERAS LOOKING INTO PEOPLE'S PRIVATE BACKYARDS.
WE ONLY MONITOR OUR OWN PROPERTIES.
WE DON'T HAVE A SECURITY CONCERN AT PARKVIEW.
IF WE DID, WE'D HAVE HIGH VACANCY, NO WEIGHT WAIT LIST.
WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERING A SECOND PHASE HERE BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO ONE.
UM, THAT PROPERTY, PARKVIEW PROBABLY HAS SEVEN DAY MANAGEMENT AND A LOT OF OTHER ASPECTS THAT GO WITH THAT, THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND SOMEONE ON THE SITE.
WE REALIZE THAT STAFFING THESE PROPERTIES IS ALSO, YOU GOTTA DO IT IN A WAY THAT UPKEEP YOUR REPUTATION.
AND WE HAVE A VERY STRONG REPUTATION WITH THIS PROPERTY AND MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
IT'S A SIGNATURE PROPERTY IN OUR PORTFOLIO AT THIS POINT THAT'S DONE REALLY WELL FOR US.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY SENT A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES HERE TO COME LOOK AT PARKVIEW PRETTY CONSISTENTLY ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
SO FOR US IT'S A, IT'S A JOY AND AN ACTUALLY EVEN AN HONOR TO COME BACK AND SAY WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THE SECOND PHASE BECAUSE WE INTEND TO KEEP A HIGH BAR HERE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REFERENCE ON RESTRICTED INCOME IS ON PARKVIEW.
UM, WE, WE HAVE INCOME LEVELS THAT YOU NEED TO QUALIFY.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE INCOME SUSTAINABLE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH BACKGROUND CHECKS AND EVERYTHING AND PASS TENANCY LAWS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUBJECT TO FAIR HOUSING LAWS, UH, AND WE CANNOT PROHIBIT ANYBODY FROM MAKING AN APPLICATION.
BUT THIS IS NOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEX OR A SECTION EIGHT COMPLEX OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND USUALLY THOSE TERMS ARE GENERALLY USED WITH RESTRICTED, UH, TYPES OF PROPERTIES.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS, NOR WHAT PARTVIEW IS EITHER.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THOUGH I DID WANNA SPEAK TO, I THINK AN EARLIER, UH, NEIGHBOR BROUGHT UP MINORITIES AND DIVERSITY AND DISABILITIES.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR OWN THOUGH, WE COULD NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A REPORT BECAUSE OF FAIR HOUSING LAW AND PRIVACY.
WE HAVE A PRETTY DARN DIVERSE MIX OF PEOPLE FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS ACTUALLY IN THE PARKVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE ARE SUBJECT TO ADA COMPLIANCE AND LAWS AND ACCESSIBILITY REGULATIONS.
AND IN FACT, ALL OF THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS ARE ADAPTABLE ON OUR BUILDINGS.
THEY HAVE TO BE, IT'S FEDERAL LAW WE'RE REQUIRED TO BE.
UM, SO THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM FOR THOSE LOOKING TO AGE IN PLACE TO CONSIDER IT HOME.
WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE AND VERY AWARE THAT THE AIR FORCE BASE AND YOU KNOW, THE MILITARY BASE HERE, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF MILITARY CONTRACTING OPERATIONS ACTUALLY GOING AROUND BOTH HERE AND IN SPRINGFIELD AND ADJACENT COMMUNITIES.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A TARGET MARKET OF OURS RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
SO WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DESIRABILITY OF RESTAURANTS AND MORE COMMERCIAL.
PRIOR TO 2009, THERE WAS A GLUT OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS THAT BUILT MALLS AND STRIP MALLS AND LOTS OF COMMERCIAL BOXES ACROSS AMERICA.
BUT I BET IF I LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM AND I ASKED EVERYBODY WHO'S GUILTY OF ORDERING THINGS FROM AMAZON, YOU'VE ALL HELPED CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHANGE IN BIG BOX FOOTPRINTS AND BOX FOOTPRINTS AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHAT THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IS.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, EVEN IN COLUMBUS, THEY HAVE DRONES DELIVERING GROCERIES.
IT'S A TEST PILOT PROJECT THAT WILL KEEP GOING AND IT'S GONNA KEEP CHANGING AND THE WAY PEOPLE SHOP AND BY RETAIL IS CHANGING.
AND WHAT WE DO SEE, KIND OF BACKSTOPPING THAT IS SOME MORE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
BUT WHAT IS NOW MORE EVIDENCE SINCE 2009 IS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE HEADS AND BEDS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE ROOFTOPS, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE RESTAURANTS, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE RETAIL ANYMORE.
AND WE DO HAVE INTERESTS IN THIS COMMERCIAL PARCEL ONLY IF WE ACTUALLY PROCEED WITH OUR PROJECT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING MUCH.
WE'RE NOT THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS EASTERN PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL COMMITMENTS AS WELL.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME ADVICE FROM A LOT OF BROKERS WHO ARE ALL
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HOMETOWN BASED HUBER HEIGHTS FOLKS.UM, AND WE HEAR THE SAME THING, WHICH IS SHOW US THE HOUSING FIRST, THEN WE'LL CONSIDER BUILDING.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE HOUSEHOLDS AND ROOFTOPS TO GET THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS THAT ARE DESIRED.
THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE.
IT'S JUST THE WAY DEVELOPMENT NOW IS ALL ACROSS AMERICA.
YOU DON'T BUILD THE OUTDOOR LIFESTYLE CENTERS OF THE WORLD WITHOUT HAVING THE ROOFTOPS ANYMORE.
UM, YOU JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS A A THING THAT HAPPENS OUT THERE.
AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE AGAIN, OUR, OUR INTEREST IS IN KEEPING AS MANY MATURE TREES ALONG THAT NORTHERN BORDER.
UM, AS PART OF OUR COMMITMENT TO COMING IN WITH THE FINAL PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, WHY TAKE DOWN A SIGNIFICANT WALNUT TREE OR AN AGED TREE THAT HAS ANY VALUE OF IT, ESPECIALLY GOOD A, YOU KNOW, GOOD OLD SHADE TREES ARE VERY CRUCIAL.
UM, WE HAVE NO REASON TO DO THAT.
UM, AND EVEN THE GARAGE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES ARE, ARE 25 FEET OFF OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
THAT SHOULD GIVE MORE THAN ENOUGH AMPLE SPACE FOR ROOT STRUCTURE TO BE MAINTAINED INTACT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SIMPLY SUPPLEMENT WHAT'S THERE AND MAKE IT BETTER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ARE REALLY LOOKING OUT AT, EVEN IN A BETTER CONDITION THAN THEY HAVE, THAN THEY HAVE TODAY.
IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE, THE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
SO I WAS LISTENING TO YAMI YAMIR STEINER WHO, UH, IS THE HEAD OF, UH, STEINER ASSOCIATES.
THEY BUILT THE GREEN, THEY BUILT EASTON, THEY BUILT, UM, LIBERTY TOWN CENTER.
SO THE GREEN AND, UH, EASTON HAVE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL, UM, MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN LIBERTY CENTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A STRONG RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
UH, AND THAT THE, ESPECIALLY THE GREEN, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN EASTON IS, IS HELPING THEM DRIVE AND FILL UP THAT, THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE YOU'RE SEEING NOW, YOU KNOW, LIBERTY CENTER ALMOST WENT BANKRUPT.
UM, THEY'RE RENEGOTIATING A LOT OF THEIR, AT LEAST THEY WERE RENEGOTIATING SOME OF THEIR FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS.
UH, AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING THEM ADD HOUSING TO, TO THE, UH, TO, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE WEST OF THAT SITE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE NEAR ENOUGH HOUSING GOING IN TO MAKE THAT A SUCCESSFUL, UM, DEVELOPMENT OFF THE TOP.
SO I'M JUST ADDING THAT TO THE CONVERSATION.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? ANY CASE? COME FORWARD, SIR.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP ON SUBJECT, BUT I BUT WHEN YOU ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT EARLY, I RAISED MY HAND AND I WASN'T RECOGNIZED, SO I MIGHT BE OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'LL BE PRETTY MUCH, YOU'LL GET THE IDEA.
AND YOUR NAME, SIR? MY NAME'S JEFF MORFORD.
UH, AT THIS POINT I'M AGAINST THE UNBRIDLED BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT.
HUBER HEIGHTS IS EXPERIENCING.
HUBER HEIGHTS IS A WELL-DEVELOPED CITY WITH ALL THE NECESSARY TRAPPINGS THEY DON'T NEED ANYMORE.
THE CITY IS NOT LAID OUT STREET-WISE TO ALLOW EASY TRAFFIC FLOW AS A LOT OF BIG CITIES.
YOU GO TO CHICAGO, THERE'S RECTANGULAR BLOCKS, THERE'S MANY NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST HUBER HEIGHTS DOESN'T HAVE THAT ADVANTAGE.
BELIEVE ME, THE BUSINESSES LOCATED IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND OTHERS PLANNING TO BUILD HERE IN THE FUTURE WILL NOT ONLY HAVE PATRONS FROM HUBER HEIGHTS, PEOPLE WILL TRAVEL HERE FROM AS FAR AS 5, 10, 15 MILES AWAY.
JUST SAYS PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED TO OTHER HUBS WITH FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, SHOPS, STORES, PHYSICIAN'S OFFICES WITH EXITS OFF THE HIGHWAY.
THE BUSINESSES MIGHT EVEN FIND PATRONS MIGHT SHY AWAY FROM THIS AREA BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC ISSUES.
A FEW WEEKS AGO I NEEDED TO GO TO RURAL KING AND I USED TAYLORSVILLE TO GET TO RURAL KING, BUT THEN I NEEDED TO GET TO LOWE'S.
IT WAS THE WEEKEND, MID-AFTERNOON.
IT LITERALLY TOOK ME 30 MINUTES TO GET FROM RURAL KING TO LOWE'S.
A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
THE CITY SEEMS TO SEE DEVELOPMENT IS THE HOLY GRAIL AND THE ONLY GOAL I THINK MAY BE PRESERVING AND IMPROVING WHAT YOU HAVE COULD BE MORE OF A PRIORITY.
THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT A PLAN FOR LOAD DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND WILL SHUT DOWN LOW DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY TO ME EQUATE NOT TO CITY LIVABILITY, BUT TO BUILDER PROFITABILITY AND CITY TAX PROFITABILITY.
UH, HOW DO YOU OVERRIDE THE STUDY? THE ANSWERS YOU VOTE NO.
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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU SURVEY THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.POSSIBLY THEY THINK HUBERT'S HUBER IS BIG ENOUGH AND BUSY ENOUGH AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER GROWTH.
THE RETENTION, THE WATER AREAS HERE, THOSE ARE RETENTION PONDS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HELP WITH THE, UH, THE NON ITY OF THE ROOFS AND THE, UH, BLACKTOP AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT SOMETIMES IN THE PUBLIC AREA LIKE THAT, A RETENTION POND CAN BE ALSO A LIABILITY.
EVERYBODY STAYS AWAY FROM THESE AREAS.
IF YOU GOT ANY CHILDREN IN THE AREA, HE SAYS THEY'RE NO CHILDREN.
BUT GUESS WHAT? CHILDREN DO SHOW UP LIKE IT OR NOT.
SO IT COULD BE A LIABILITY MORE THAN A WHAT ELSE GOING ON THERE? UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTALLY CONCERNED, IF YOU WERE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, YOU WOULD NOT CONSIDER BUILDING ON THIS AGRICULTURAL LAND AT ALL.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS NOT A CITY PROPERTY, BUT THE CITY CAN DICTATE WHAT THE LAND IS USED FOR THROUGH ZONING.
UH, TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY, I'M SORRY,
THE DIGITS GOTTA BE IN THE WRONG PLACE.
THEY'RE MISSING A COUPLE ZEROS.
THAT CAN'T BE 1.5 SECOND DIFFERENCE.
IF THIS PO IF THIS PROJECT GOES IN, THE NEXT PROJECT GOES IN ACCORDING TO THE DATE AND DAILY NEWS, TWO NEW HOUSING COMPLEXES PROPOSED NEAR THE ROSE MU MUSIC CENTER, APPROXIMATELY 850 NEW APARTMENTS BY MY ESTIMATE, IF 25 WILL BE SINGLE OCCUPANTS, 25% WILL BE SINGLE OCCUPANTS, 50%, TWO PERSONS AND MAYBE 25%, THREE PERSONS.
THAT EQUALS APPROXIMATELY 1700 PEOPLE AND 1700 CARS TIME AND AVERAGE FOUR OUTINGS A DAY COMING AND GOING.
THIS COULD EQUATE TO ANOTHER 13,000 CARS ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD DAILY.
MAYBE BETWEEN THE HOURS IS OBVIOUSLY AT MIDNIGHT AND ONE OR TWO IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE.
SO THAT'S BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND LET'S CALL IT 12:00 PM WITH ONLY TWO EXITS.
ONE ONTO BRANT PIKE AND THE OTHER ONTO TROY.
BY THE WAY, BOTH OF THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE ALREADY STRESSED WITH A HIGH VOLUME OF CARS, LET ALONE THE HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UH, I'LL GO OFF TOPIC JUST A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL BE BACK.
BUT THE, UH, OTHER THINGS ARE GONNA COME ON YOUR DESK ABOUT I'M FROM OUT, I'M OUT FROM OUTTA COUNTY.
I'M MIAMI COUNTY BELT TOWNSHIP.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROPERTY ANNEX GO GOING OUT THAT WAY, AND I'M AGAINST ANY ANNEXATION OF THAT PROPERTY.
UH, HUBERT HEIGHTS, WHEN IT WAS WAYNE SOME BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, 40 YEARS AGO KIND OF THING, WAYNE WAS TRYING TO BE ABSORBED BY THE GENTLEMAN IN DAYTON, OHIO THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH HUBER HEIGHTS.
DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT GO THROUGH.
THEY WERE ABLE TO FIGHT IT, IT, AND THEY STOPPED IT.
THIS COULD BE DAYTON RIGHT NOW.
I COULD BE IN FRONT OF THE DAYTON CITY COUNCIL INSTEAD OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL.
I'M SURE YOU APPRECIATE HAVING CONTROL OVER YOUR CITY INSTEAD OF SOMEONE ELSE HAVING CONTROL OVER YOUR CITY.
THAT'S THE WAY WE FEEL ABOUT IT IN MIAMI COUNTY.
SAY NO TO THE SANITATION, LET US TAKE CARE OF OUR PROPERTY, LET US TAKE CARE OF OUR ZONING, LET US TAKE CARE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE COULD BE DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO OUR ZONING, BUT THAT PROPERTY OWNING THE DEVELOPER CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? WE HAVE ZERO TO DO WITH THE ANNEXATION IN THIS ROOM.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR COUNSEL AND YOUR TRUSTEES.
THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY OVER HERE.
IT IT WILL COME ACROSS YOUR DESK THOUGH.
NO, THE ANNEXATION WILL NEVER BE VOTED ON BY US.
I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT OUT THERE OFF THIS.
BUT THAT WILL NEVER BE A, THERE WILL NEVER BE AN ANNEXATION DISCUSSION AMONGST PLANNING.
CAUSE I'M NOT A I'M NOT A POLITICIAN.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THE, I JUST WANTED TO GET US BACK ON TRACK.
I LIVE IN MIAMI COUNTY, HUBER HEIGHTS, SO I'M, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE DEBATE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY OFF, OFF THE DI IS HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU.
IN GENERAL, YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS.
LET'S SAY YOU CAN MAKE THAT COMMENT TO YOUR CITY COMMISSIONERS, WHICH I'VE BEEN TO THEIR MEETINGS WEEK AFTER WEEK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
AND I GO TO THEM TOO, BUT I JUST, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT.
TURN LEFT OR TURN RIGHT SOMETIMES.
THAT JUST WANNA MAKE, WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT'S WHY.
SO I SAID THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES AND CITY COUNCIL
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GOOD ENOUGH.SO, BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS AGRICULTURAL LAND.
I BELIEVE IT SHOULD SAY AGRICULTURAL.
IF YOU'RE AN ENVIRONMENTALIST OR YOU THINK THAT WAY.
I, I TRULY THINK YOU SHOULD SURVEY YOUR CITIZENS.
SEND THEM THE SURVEY AND THE WATER BILL.
I KNOW YOU DON'T DO THAT EITHER, BUT SEND 'EM A SURVEY OR ASK YOUR COUNCIL TO SEND 'EM A SURVEY AND ASK THE CITIZENS WHAT THEY WANT.
DO THEY THINK IS THEY, DO THEY THINK THE CITY'S BIG ENOUGH AT 40, 45,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS? DO THEY THINK THE CITY'S BIG ENOUGH? THEY THINK THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH BOX STORES, THEY THINK THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC ISSUES AND MAYBE YOU WOULD FIND A DIFFERENT IDEA THAN, I NEED SOME MORE MONEY.
I NEED MORE TAX MONEY, I NEED MORE PROFITABILITY ON THE, THE BUILDER SIDE.
ONE, I FORGOT TO SIGN IN, SO I'M SORRY.
BUT I ALSO LOST IN MY NOTES WAS AGAIN, UH, ALONG WITH THOSE TREES, JUST THINKING OF, UH, WATER DRAINAGE.
CAUSE AGAIN, WITH OUR SCHEMATICS, WE HAVE THE GRADIENT SLOWLY, UH, GOING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND FOR HOUSES, IF THEY'VE BEEN BUILT CORRECTLY, GRADIENT IS ALSO GOING AWAY FROM THEM.
SO WATER DOESN'T BUILD UP NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE.
SO IT'S ALL GOING TO THIS TREE LINE.
SO AGAIN, QUESTION WOULD BE THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED TO POSSIBLY AVOID A, UH, WATER DRAINAGE ISSUE.
UH, THAT COULD HAPPEN ON EITHER SIDE.
SO THOSE GARAGES OR SOME OF OUR SHEDS, THAT COULD BE RIGHT UP NEXT TO IT.
SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT.
MR. JEFFRIES, JUST ON THE, ON THE WATER RUNOFF, THIS IS SIMILAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE HORIZON LINE, RIGHT? IF WE TRIED TO GRADE INTO THAT TREE LINE, WE RAN THE RISK OF DAMAGING THE TREE LINE AND THE DRAINAGE INSTEAD OF LETTING THE, THE ASPHALT DRAIN INTO THE CATCH BASINS AND PULL IT AWAY FROM THE TREE LINE, RIGHT? YES.
SO I MEAN, IN GENERAL, UM, KIND OF THE RULE IS THAT WHEN, WHEN LAND IS IMPROVED, WE IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THE FLOODING.
UM, ALL OF THE, THE PARKING LOTS AND THE IMPER SURFACES ARE GONNA DRAIN INTO THE RETENTION PONDS AND THEN ULTIMATELY EITHER DUMP INTO THE, OR, OR FLOW INTO THE STREAM OR, UH, INTO THE STORM SEWER ACROSS THE STREET.
THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE MOUNDING IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE TRY TO AVOID IT, IS THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING, UM, FLOODING ISSUES OR IF THERE IS A DRAINAGE PATH CURRENTLY FROM NORTH TO SOUTH THAT WE'RE NOT IMPEDING THAT.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT DURING THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REALLY FOCUS ON WHERE THE, WHERE THE NATURAL DRAINAGE IS.
TRY NOT TO, UM, UM, MESS THAT UP.
UM, BUT ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE HARD SURFACE IS GONNA BE CAPTURED IN CATCH BASINS AND, AND, UH, AND THEN CAPTURED OR, AND RETAINED IN THE, IN THE RETENTION PAV PONDS.
SO IT'LL PULL IT AWAY FROM DRAINING INTO THE AC YES.
YEAH, THERE WON'T BE ANY SHEET DRAINING INTO THE, UH, AFFECTED, UM, SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ODING CASE? AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF IT.
SO I THINK, UM, LET'S REHASH ABOUT THE ACCESSIBILITY ON THE ROAD SIDE FOR A POTENTIAL, ANOTHER LANE AT SOME TIME, OR YOU GOOD? HAS ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT OR, OR WE DOES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUE? I'M FINE WITH IT.
YEAH, AS LONG AS IT FITS ALL THE WAY DOWN IF NEED BE, EVENTUALLY.
LIKE I SAID, ONE, IT'S TRAFFIC FLOW AND TWO IS IF IT, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA SEE A FIRETRUCK SITTING IN TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET IN SOMEWHERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY GUESS? GO AHEAD.
JUST, I MEAN, JUST FOR THE, THE ROOM AS WELL, FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, THIS, THIS IS JUST THE RECOMMENDATION FROM US, THE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT, CORRECT.
AARON? THIS IS VERY BEGINNING STAGE.
WE PASS IT ON TO THEM, THEY PASS IT ON A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE DETAILED, CORRECT? YES.
SO THIS, UH, SETS THE ZONING, THIS SETS THE BROAD FRAMEWORK OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WILL, THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL GO TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
THEY WILL THEN BASICALLY WILL HAVE THE SAME PROCESS, UM, AND THEN IT MOVES FROM THERE.
IF IT IS, UH, POSITIVELY RECEIVED AND APPROVED, THEN THE DEVELOPERS WILL, UM, WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT STAGE OF CRAFTING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL COME BACK HERE, UM, FOR THE, FOR FINE TUNING AND REVIEW.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? NO, I JUST WROTE DOWN A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK, UH, THE DEVELOPERS ANSWERED.
AND ONE WAS ABOUT THE MOSQUITOES.
YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF, HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT, THAT ARE, IT'S
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DON'T.APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THAT, THAT WAS ONE THING HE WAS BROUGHT UP.
SO THESE BASINS WILL ALL BE DESIGNED WITH SOME SORT OF EITHER AERATOR FOUNTAIN.
THE KEY THING WITH THE CONTROLLING OF MOSQUITOES IS WATER MOVEMENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE, WHILE IT MAY NOT GRAPHICALLY BE REPRESENTED AS WE MOVE THROUGH ENGINEERING, MUCH LIKE IT SAID, I THINK PARKVIEW HAS IT AS WELL.
THERE'LL BE EITHER AN AERATOR OR, OR A FOUNTAIN IN THERE, UM, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, BE THE BASIS FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THAT.
THAT'LL HELP CONTROL THOSE AREAS.
UM, THERE MAY BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVES KIND OF WET BASINS, MEANING THAT THERE'S WATER IN THEM CONSISTENTLY.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH ENGINEERING TO KNOW.
SOME OF THOSE COULD BE DRY BASINS, MEANING THAT THEY RETAIN WATER IN THE STORM EVENTS AND THEY DRAIN OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THAT WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND, AND WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, FIVE RIVER, FIVE RIVERS, METRO PARKS, UM, AND HOW THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AFFECT CARRIAGE HILL.
UH, SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS ON, ON, ON, ON THE OUTFLOW, PER SE AMOUNTS, ET CETERA, UH, AT THE NEXT STAGE.
I, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY OTHER CONCERNS? QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
IS THERE A MOTION TO REP APPROVE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS, L T D, TO APPROVE OF A REZONING TO PM PLAN, MIXED USE, AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF A PROPOSED NEW 320 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON 68 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, CASE B D P 23 DASH OH TWO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 9TH, 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. VAGO? YES.
UH, WHAT TEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, SO WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT IS WE WILL TRANSMIT THE, UH, THE, UM, DECISION ORDER TO THE CLERK OF COUNSEL.
UM, WE'LL THEN SET UP A TIME FOR, WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT FOR THE, UH, FOR A DATE TO BE HEARD.
WE'LL COMMUNICATE WHAT THAT DATE IS, UH, AND UM, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE NONE APPROVAL MINUTES.
PLANNING COMMISSION'S JANUARY 10TH, 2023 WILL BE APPROVED.
UH, UP AND COMING OR, I'M SORRY, REPORTS AND COUNTER REVIEW, MR. CRELL.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, SO I'LL SORT OF LUMP 'EM IN HERE.
UM, THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING ON THE AGENDA WILL BE REVIEWING THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THAT, UH, WAS RECENTLY HEARD BY THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
UH, AND SO YOU'LL GET A PRESENTATION FROM ME, UH, THAT GOES THROUGH THE HISTORY OF IT, WHERE WE AT, WHERE WE ARE, AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, AND THEN HOPEFULLY MOVE THAT FORWARD FOR ADOPTION.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS AND GETTING YOUR INPUT AS WELL.
SO THAT WILL BE THE BULK, IF NOT ALL, OF THE FEBRUARY 28TH MEETING.
IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST ONE SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIKE WE DID BEFORE? YOU KNOW, WE JUST TOOK ONE.
THE WHOLE KITTEN CABOODLE, IT'S GONNA, OKAY.