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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road December 13, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
I SHALL CALL THE MEETING OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? HERE.
MS. OP, MS. THOMAS, MS. FARGO? HERE.
AND I DID HEAR FROM BOTH MEMBERS, MS. OP, AND MS. THOMAS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
SO WE DO NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THEIR ABSENCE.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, MS. THOMAS AND MS. OPS ABSENCE SECOND.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE, UM, MS. VAGO? YES.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD ASK, UH, IF THERE'S ANY OPENING, UH, REMARKS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS IN HEARING NONE.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
NEXT IS SWEARING OF WITNESSES ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
I DO TO THE FOLLOWING OF, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.
ALSO, ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, GIVE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET.
PROVIDED OUR FIRST ITEM, UH, UNDER PENDING BUSINESS AS TEXT AMENDMENTS, THE APPLICANT, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF VARIOUS TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
I DON'T NEED TO READ ALL THIS.
UH, MR. CHAIR PARSON, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON CRELL, CITY HEIGHTS, UM, WE'RE BRINGING BACK, UM, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, BRINGING BACK THE, THE DISCUSSION WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WITH A FEW REVISIONS BASED ON, ON WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, SO THE FIRST TEXT AMENDMENT WAS TO EXPAND REALLY THE DEFINITION AND THE, AND THE SCOPE OF HOME OCCUPATIONS, WHICH SHOULD BE UNDER, UH, SECTION 11, 23 0.53.
THERE WERE NO CHANGES, UM, THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THAT LAST MEETING.
SO THAT HA IS, UH, IS UNCHANGED.
UM, AS FAR AS TEXT AMENDMENT TWO, WHICH IS CREATING A DEFINITION FOR BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENT, UH, THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO THE DEFINITION, UM, WHICH WOULD BE IN 1120 3.141.
UM, THE ONE CHANGE, BECAUSE IT WAS AN OMISSION ON MY PART, UM, WE WOULD ADD TO THE SPECIAL USE TABLE.
SO THIS WOULD MAKE BED AND BREAKFASTS, BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENTS A SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
SO WE WOULD ADD THIS TO THE SPECIAL USE TABLE, WHICH WOULD BECOME 1140 2.03 G HAVING BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENTS ON TEXT AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, THERE WERE, UH, UH, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SETBACKS, UH, REGARDING INDOOR AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLE REPAIR AS A SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
SO, UH, WHAT I HAVE ADJUSTED IS THAT THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM ANY, UH, A THE BUILDING SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 40 FEET FROM ANY, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOT AND 200 FEET FROM ANY, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
RIGHT NOW, THE BUILDING SETBACK IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS 30 FEET FROM A, UH, FROM THE LOT LINE.
THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET OVER WHAT IS, WHAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, REQUIRED.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, BECAUSE THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE SCREENING, UM, WE HAVE CHANGED THE, THE, UM, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID FENCE OR A DENSE EVERGREEN HEDGE OF AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WITHIN TWO YEARS OF PLANNING.
SO THAT IF THEY WENT THE FENCE ROUTE, IT WOULD BE EIGHT FEET IMMEDIATELY.
UM, SO FOR MOST PEOPLE, UH, WOULD OBSTRUCT THE, UH, THE VIEW OF, OF ANY PARKING AREA.
THOSE WERE THE TWO COMMENTS, UM, THAT WERE RECEIVED ABOUT THE, UH, AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLE REPAIR, UM, CHANGE.
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LASTLY, UH, THE TAX AMENDMENT FOR THE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, UM, WOULD YOU RECALL, UH, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE ADOPTED THE STATE OHIO'S DEFINITION FOR SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES AS OUR DEFINITION FOR SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES, MINI WAREHOUSES, AND MANY STORAGE WAREHOUSES.THOSE ARE THREE OF THE TERMS FOUND IN THE ZONING CODE.
SO BASICALLY THE DEFINITION WOULD BE, UH, THE STATE'S DEFINITION, WHICH IS, UH, FOUND IN O C 53 22 0 1, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING THAT'S NOT A WAREHOUSE FALLS UNDER HERE.
UM, WE DID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED.
UM, AND SO WHAT I AM PROPOSING IS THAT WE WOULD AMEND THE USE TABLE IN THE I ONE DISTRICTS TO, UH, ALLOW AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE I ONE, UH, SINCE WE HAVE A PYRAMIDAL ZONING CODE THAT THEN APPLIES TO I TWO AND THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, UM, THE, THAT SELF SEWAGE FACILITIES WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED, UM, IN THE I ONE DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE ADDING TO THE USE TABLE 11 56 0 2 A 18 SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, UH, AND THEN ADDING TO THE USE TABLE UNDER PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ESSENTIAL, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW INDOOR SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, UH, FOR BUILDINGS THAT WERE UNDER, FOR VACANT BUILDINGS, GOING UNDER AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF AN EXIST OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.
SO SIMILAR TO THE WAY, UH, U-HAUL, I BELIEVE THAT WAS AN OLD KMART, THEY RETROFITTED THAT KMART, THAT WOULD, THIS WOULD NOW BE PER PERMITTED IN THAT, UH, DISTRICT AS WELL FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS, BUT NOT NEW STANDALONE OUTDOOR SELF STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
IT WOULD MOVE IT TO THE INDUSTRIAL YES.
UM, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CODE.
THEN I, I UNDERSTAND THAT LAST SENTENCE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY, MAY WISH TO ALLOW INDOOR SELF STORAGE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
WHY DO WE HAVE THAT IN THE CODE THAT'S NOT IN THE CODE? THIS IS MY COMMENTARY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, AND THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
THE BOTTOM PART WOULD BE MY CODE WOULD BE IN THE CODE.
SO THE UNDER PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN THE PERMITTED USE TABLE, IT WOULD SAY, WHICH IS 11 56 0 5 D INDOOR SELF STORAGE FACILITIES AS PART OF AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BE AN AND THAT COVERS REUSING AN OLD BUILDING, CORRECT.
THAT THE FIRST HALF OF THAT SLIDE IS STILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. JEFFRIES? YEP.
AARON, ON THE FIRST ONE, JUST ON CLEARING, CLARIFYING ON HOME OCCUPATIONS OFF STREETE PARKING.
SO THAT MEANS IF, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAS A SALON OR SOMETHING AT THE HOUSE, THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING ON THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT PARKING ACROSS THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN ON THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR? YES.
SO ON 11 42, 0 3, I GUESS NUMBER ONE, WHERE IT SAYS SHALL BE IN THE ENCLOSED BUILDING OF IT SHOULD BE SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT DO WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE THAT THE DOORS ARE TO BE CLOSED WHILE THE VEHICLES ARE BEING WORKED ON? I KNOW IT'S SUGGESTED WHEN WE SAY ENCLOSED, BUT YOU CAN HAVE AN ENCLOSED BUILDING AND OPEN UP THE ENDS IF WE'RE DEALING WITH NOISE, IT'D BE MIGHTY HOT IN THE SUMMERTIME IF THEY DIDN'T NOT AIR.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M THINKING SORT OF.
I MEAN, ALSO IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, YOU VENTILATE, BUT THEN WHAT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, TO PRECLUDE WOULD BE ALL OF THE WORK TAKING PLACE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
OR THE OUTDOOR PARKING LOT THAT THE WORK NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE IN THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
NOW, NUMBER FIVE, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IF WE'RE GONNA USE IT AS A NON-PERSONAL USE, IT'S BASICALLY AT THAT POINT BEING A BUSINESS USE, OUR COMMERCIAL SETBACK FROM A RESIDENTIAL LOT LINE IS 50 FEET.
SO I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE CONSISTENCY THERE AT LEAST.
UM, I MEAN, I GET, IF I HAVE A BARN AND I'VE GOT MY BUILDING SET BACK AT THE 30 FEET, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE DESCRIPTION WE'RE TALKING NOW, IS A COMMERCIAL USE AT THAT OR A BUSINESS USE.
UM, SO I THINK FOR CONSISTENCY, TO ME IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BE AT THE 50 FEET NUMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE, BUT, UM, CAUSE I, I THINK IT IS 50 FEET, ISN'T IT? IN COMMERCIAL? IT IS.
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SO WHAT WHAT, WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN WE WERE DRAFTING THIS WAS THAT THIS WOULD LIKELY BE AN EX AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.OR IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A NEW, SO WE COULD SAY THAT NEW, NEW, UM, STRUCTURES COULD BE, UM, SO THE, RIGHT NOW IN THE AGRICUL, SO WE'RE TALKING IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT MM-HMM.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH MY HEAD IS THAT IF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD, SO THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO'S PROBABLY LIVING THERE, WHO THEN IS STARTING UP A BUSINESS, UH, AS PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE, IF THEY'RE USING EXISTING STRUCTURE, THEN I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A MOVIE STRUCTURE.
SO, BUT FOR, IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THIS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BUSINESS MM-HMM.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO GO 50, THAT IS FINE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL.
UM, THE TYPICAL LOT WIDTH IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING FOR THE IS IS 200 FEET.
SO YOU'RE JUST KIND OF SLIDING THAT IN, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING MORE INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
UM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON THE HILL.
WELL, I JUST FIGURE IF IT WAS, I MEAN, I GET IT'S IN AN AG DISTRICT, BUT IF IT'S NOT BEING USED AS SUCH AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEING USED AS MY BUSINESS, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO MAKE ZONING CONSISTENT.
UM, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M UP IN THE AIR.
I, I, I'VE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR, I I'M NOT, NOT TOO CRAZY ABOUT IT DOING A ZONING CHANGE TO FIX SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BEING DONE WRONG FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT, UH, AND THEN IN THE CASE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM, DOES STANDARD VEHICLE REPAIR AND SEMI SEMI REPAIR SLASH DIESEL MECHANIC ALL FALL UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY IN THIS CASE? YEAH, CUZ WE WOULD'VE AUTOMOTIVE SLASH VEHICLE REPAIR.
I DIDN'T MAKE THE DISTINCTION.
UH, THE CODE MAKES A DISTINCTION BETWEEN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND, UM, WELL, IT JUST SAYS AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR IN SOME CASES.
THIS, I GROUPED THEM TOGETHER AS AUTOMOTIVE OR VEHICLE REPAIR.
THERE ARE PROBABLY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING A, A SIDE BUSINESS RE YOU KNOW, REPAIRING FRIENDS AND FAMILY CARS.
THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN, THEN THE VERIFY ON THE SELF STORAGE FACILITIES PIECE, THIS WOULD BE ELIMINATING THEM OUT OF ANY COMMERCIAL ZONE LOTS OTHER THAN THE REUSE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN WE HAD ALSO TALKED AT ONE POINT ABOUT THE NO MORE THAN 75% IMPERVIOUS AND HAVING THEM USE THE, UH, UH, THE RETENTION POND BEING EXCLUDED FROM THAT CALCULATION.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADD INTO HERE? SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD IT INTO HERE.
UM, SO THE, OUR, OUR CODE REQUIRES ANYTHING LARGER THAN FIVE ACRES COME AS A PLANNED DISTRICT ANYWAY.
UM, SO I THINK MOST NEW, MOST NEW DEVELOPMENTS WOULD BE IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO YOU WOULD SEE THE DESIGN AND WE COULD, WE COULD WORK ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, UH, THE, THE LOT BEING PAVED VERSUS GRAVEL? DO WE NEED TO OUTLINE THAT? CAUSE I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT, UM, ALL INDUSTRIAL LOTS BE PAVED, UM, EITHER ASPHALT OR, UM, HEAVY, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPACTED STONE.
UM, UNLESS THE, THE ENGINEER, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER SORT OF GIVES A VARIANCE OF THAT.
THE ONLY TIME THAT I'VE SEEN THAT OCCUR IS FOR VERY LARGE TRUCK TERMINAL FACILITIES THAT THE MOVEMENTS OF THE TRUCKS KIND OF EAT UP AND SHOE UP THE ASPHALT.
UM, BUT WE ALWAYS REQUIRE A PRETTY DEEP APRON THAT IS EITHER CONCRETE OR ASPHALT SO THAT WE'RE NOT DRAGGING GRAVEL INTO THE STREET.
THESE WON'T BE BIG ENOUGH, UM, TO WHERE THAT VARIANCE WOULD MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE REQUIRED TO BE PAVED OR, UM, CONCRETE.
AND THEN ALSO ON HERE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THE, THE ROLL OFF UNITS, LIKE WHAT'S OVER IN FRONT OF U-HAUL NOW.
UM, WOULD WE BE ABLE, ABLE TO MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE A BUILT STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF JUST THE ONES THAT GET DROPPED OFF THE BACK OF A TRUCK? YES.
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GAVE AN A VARIANCE, UM, FOR THAT.UM, SO THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED AS IS NOW, THIS WOULD ALSO NOT PERMIT THAT THIS WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE A STANDALONE STRUCTURE.
NOW, IF THE BZA WERE TO GRANT A VARIANCE ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE, THEY, YOU, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH ASK FOR A VARIANCE OF ANYTHING.
I, I'M, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THE VEHICLE REPAIR JUST BECAUSE OF THE, HOW WE GOT HERE.
I CAN TELL YOU, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S, WE'RE GONNA UPSET ONE NEIGHBOR OR TWO, AND THE, SO THAT'S WHY I DID THOSE WITH THREE SEPARATE TEXT AMENDMENTS MM-HMM.
JANE, UM, BACK TO THE HOME OCCUPATIONS.
I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF MAYBE, UH, AN AVON PEOPLE THERE ARE CERTAINLY GONNA STORE THEIR SUPPLIES IN THEIR HOME OR IN THE, ON THE PREMISES.
SO THAT SENTENCE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN TOTALITY.
SO WHAT THAT IS SAYING IS THAT NO BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE SHALL BE USED TO OPERATE A BUSINESS STORE EQUIPMENT, UM, OR SUPPLIES USED FOR A BUSINESS OR SERVE AS A LOCATION WHERE MORE THAN FOUR EMPLOYEES, METER PARK PRIOR TO GOING WHERE SUCH EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK ANYWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO WHAT THIS PRECLUDES IS FOR YOU TO SAY, BUY A HOUSE, TURN THAT HOUSE INTO EFFECTIVELY A WAREHOUSE, BUT YOU DON'T LIVE THERE.
SO THE, A HOME OCCUPATION IS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES ON SITE.
THAT'S THE POINT OF THAT SENTENCE.
WELL, BUT IT COMES UNDER HOME OCCUPATIONS.
AND IF YOU'RE READING IT LIKE I DO, DOESN'T THAT, DOESN'T IT SOUND TO YOU LIKE THAT YOU CAN'T STORE YOUR EQUIPMENT THAT'S ON SITE? NO.
UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE SAY, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, BUT THAT'S YEAH.
I THINK IF YOU TAKE THE NO BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL BE USED TO, AND THEN THE LAST PART WHERE SUCH EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY, THE REST IS JUST EXPLANATION INSIDE.
BUT IT, IS THAT CORRECT, AARON? I MEAN, IT'S, YES.
BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT ON SITE, THEN IT'S A STORAGE UNIT INSTEAD.
THAT'S THE POINT OF THAT SENTENCE.
YOU CAN STORE YOUR EQUIPMENT, YOU CAN STORE, YOU KNOW, YOUR STUFF RELATED TO THE BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE, AS LONG AS IT'S IN YOUR HOUSE AND IT'S ACTUALLY A BUSINESS, YOU CAN'T STORE EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE.
IT NEEDS TO BE IN A STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT.
AND, BUT WE CAN SCRATCH THAT SENTENCE IF YOU THINK THAT IF, IF IT IS NO, NO, I, I JUST NEEDED IT CLARIFIED OR REWORDED OR RESTRUCTURED SOMEHOW SO THAT, THAT I JUST FOR YOU TO CLARIFY IT TO ME.
I WAS READING IT INCORRECTLY BECAUSE WHEN I WENT ON DOWN TO NUMBER NINE, THEN IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THEY CONTRADICTED EACH OTHER.
AND I CAN SEE NOW THAT THEY DON'T, BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS, EXCEPT THAT'S NOT THE WAY I WAS READING IT.
THIS WAS TO GIVE US SOME TEETH FOR THE ONE OR TWO CASES THAT ARE OUT THERE WHERE, UM, A HOUSE IS BEING USED AS ESSENTIALLY A, UH, A STAGING AREA FOR A REHAB COMPANY FOR BETTER OR WORSE TERMS. OKAY.
AND I, I DIDN'T, UM, I GUESS I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF HOME OCCUPATIONS OR OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S RESIDENCE.
AND, UH, NOW ALSO ON NUMBER NINE, THE STORAGE OF ALL EQUIPMENT SHALL BE STORED COMPLETELY WITHIN THE RESIDENCE OR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.
HOW ABOUT A RENTED WAREHOUSE? YEAH, IF IT'S OFFSITE, I DON'T CARE.
UM, THIS IS TO KEEP THE, TO AS, AS LIMITED AS MUCH POSSIBLE TO ANY OF THE BUSINESS, THE HOME OCCUPATION RELATED EQUIPMENT, UM, INDOORS, SO THAT IT IS STILL A, UH, MAINTAINS THE FEEL OF A RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO YOU'RE RUNNING A LANDSCAPING COMPANY OUTTA YOUR HOUSE.
THE EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE STORED IN A GARAGE OR A BARN, NOT IN THE FRONT YARD.
AND, AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'M READING THESE WORDS LITERALLY BECAUSE IT SAYS SHALL BE STORED COMPLETELY WITHIN THE RESIDENCE OR ACCESSORY BUILDING, BUT IT COULD BE OFFSITE.
COULD BE OFFSITE, THAT'S NO ISSUE.
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BUT IF, UH, THE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYSWELL, WE, IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE HERE OR HERE.
WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF IT'S OFFSITE.
WE, WHAT THAT IS INTENDED TO GET IS IF YOU HAVE, LET'S SAY A CARPORT AND HALF OF YOUR TRAILERS HANGING OUT THE BACK OF A CARPORT.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YOUR HONOR, I HAD ONE MORE RIGHT AHEAD.
AND IT'S, UH, UH, NUMBER SEVEN ON, UH, BED BREAKFAST.
UH, THEY CAN ONLY STAY AT THE FACILITY FOR NO LONGER THAN THREE CONTINUOUS WEEKS.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN HAVE ANY OF THESE KIND OF PLACES HERE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE ARE CLOSE TO WRIGHT PATTERSON AND THAT THE, IT'S THAT THAT NEW PEOPLE COMING INTO THE BASE, OR IT USED TO BE THAT WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT STILL IS.
I HAVE TO FIND TEMPORARY QUARTERS UNTIL THEY FIND A, A PERMANENT HOME TO PURCHASE OR TO RENT.
AND IT OFTENTIMES IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN THREE WEEKS.
SO THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE FOR LONGER THAN THREE WEEKS IS IF NEIGHBORS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN, THEN IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE WOULD, AS IT'S WRITTEN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD START AN ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY ASK THEM, WHY ARE YOU HERE? IF THEY'RE HERE THE TR AND THEY'RE RELOCATING AND THEY JUST NEED AN EXTRA WEEK OR SO, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS.
BUT THIS, UH, IT, IT'S REALLY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE.
AND SO IT'S NOT A LONG TERM RENTAL THAT, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE TEETH IN THE CODE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT.
IF, IF BY CHANCE WE HAVE TO USE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE, UM, RIGHT NOW, A SHORT TERM, A SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL ORDINANCE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN KICKING AROUND THINKING ABOUT IT.
UM, THERE AREN'T, SO THERE ARE NO BED AND BREAKFAST RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN FIND IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT AIRBNBS.
UM, SO THIS WAS THE FIRST INCREMENTAL STEP OF, OF HEADING DOWN THAT PATH.
THESE ARE NOT, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE NOT CONSIDERED THE SAME.
SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CODE FOR AIRBNBS.
UM, IT PROBABLY WON'T BE, IT WOULD NOT, I IT WOULD BE A SE DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS CODE OF ORDINANCES.
IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE ZONING CODE, UM, FOR A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS.
UM, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY OPERATE MORE LIKE HOTELS.
SO WITH, UH, BED AND BREAKFAST, THE OWNER HAS TO LIVE THERE ON SITE.
UM, AND THE VOICES AT AIRBNB, WHICH YOU USUALLY RENTING, TYPICALLY YOU'RE RENTING THE WHOLE HOUSE OR THE WHOLE APARTMENT.
UH, AND THE OWNER'S NOT THERE.
IT'S NOT, AT LEAST FOR AROUND HERE, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT WORKS.
UM, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE HOTEL MOTEL TAXES.
LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT'S AN AREA WE MAY HEAD DOWN, BUT IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN, UM, THAN, THAN THE ZONING ASPECT OF IT.
THIS ALSO, THE REASON THE THREE WEEKS IS THERE IS WOULD BE TO GIVE US SOME ENFORCEMENT TOOLS SO THAT THAT HOUSE DOES NOT BECOME ESSENTIALLY A BOARDING HOUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE RENTING ROOMS FOR INDIVIDUALS FOR MONTHS AT A TIME.
AND IT JUST, IT'S THERE FOR THE ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.
IF BY CHANCE WE HAVE TO USE 'EM.
AND I WAS PARTICULARLY THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT COMING IN HERE, T D I YEAH.
UH, THAT IT OFTENTIMES OR SOMETIMES WOULD BE MORE THAN THREE WEEKS, AND THEY WROTE KNOW RIGHT UP FRONT THAT THEY CAN'T RENT THAT PLACE.
AND IF THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUITABLE AND IT ALLOWS A DOG THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE OTHER PLACES.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE WE'D WANT TO TRY TO KEEP THEM AS A HUBER RESIDENT.
SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO START OFF WITH A BAD TASTE.
UH, I GUESS WHAT I'M READING THROUGH HERE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE EXCEPTIONS.
AND THAT IS ONE THAT JUST CAME TO MY HEAD RIGHT AWAY.
BECAUSE WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE AND MAKE 'EM COME IN TO TAKE OFF WORK, COME IN, COME BEFORE THE BOARD, OR MEET WITH SOMEBODY TO GET PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING THAT SEEMS SHOULD BE OKAY.
I, I APPROACH FROM BOTH, BOTH ASPECTS THAT, AND THEN ALSO, HOW DO WE ENFORCE WHEN THE KNUCKLEHEAD'S NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL.
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THEY SHOULD TAKE TIME OFF WORK AND COME IN AND GET IT FIXED.SO MR. JEFFRIES, JUST, I, I THINK JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR JAN, I THINK THE SCENARIO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO DO A BED AND BREAKFAST BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE STAYING IN WITH THE OWNER THE WHOLE TIME INSTEAD OF FINDING A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND I MEAN, YOU SEE MORE OF THOSE UP IN TROY AND STUFF TOO, IF YOU LIE.
THEY WOULD BE PERFECT SITUATION.
HEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE GONNA WANNA STAY WITH THE OWNER EVERY DAY FOR MONTHS ON END, YOU KNOW, OR THE STRANGER.
I THINK THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO WORK WITH THE BASE TO FIND A PLACE.
SO I, I THINK IT'D BE MORE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SIDE.
AND, AND I'M COMING FROM A DIFFERENT TIME ALSO.
THEY MAY NOT, THEY MAY HAVE ALL THE ROOM THAT THEY NEED OUT AT THE BASE NOW, WHEN, BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE WERE TRAVELING A LOT, IT WAS, IT WAS A BIG SITUATION.
YOU HAD TO GET ON A LIST TO GET ANYWHERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION? ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE IN HEARING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1123, SECTION 1156 AND SECTION 1176 OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY CODE CASE T 2242.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO? I'M SPLITTING 'EM UP.
OR IS IT ALL AT ONE? IT'S BEING LOOKED AT ALL AS ONE, CORRECT.
THEY SH IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS IF THEY WERE, UM, EACH DECISION RECORD WAS IT'S STANDALONE.
BECAUSE THAT WAY OTHERWISE COUNCIL HAS TO TAKE THEM UP.
IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE ONE FOR THE PURPOSES OF, HERE, LET ME, LET ME GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT.
UM, UNLESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE THAT UNANIMOUS ON, IF UNLESS THE COMMISSION SUPPORTS ALL FOUR TEXT AMENDMENTS UNANIMOUSLY, UM, THEN THEY NEED TO BE SPLIT OUT.
SO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US, IT WOULD TAKE A SUPER MAJORITY TO OVERTURN, UM, THE DECISION.
SO MY PREFERENCE TO AVOID THAT WOULD BE THAT WE TAKE EACH DECISION RECORD AS ITS AS ITS OWN VOTE.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M, SOUNDS GET YOU AN ORDER HERE.
THEY SAID OVER
WHICH NUMBER ONE IS WHAT? ALL MY CONDITIONS, SELF STORAGE, MINI WAREHOUSES.
AND AUTOMOTIVE HAS SIX AND THE BED AND BREAKFAST HAS SEVEN
SO THIS ONE HOUSE, AARON, SO NUMBER ONE BASICALLY COVERS THEM ALL.
AND THEN WE HAVE TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
UM, THE ONLY ONE, AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT MAY HAVE, UM, UH, BE CONTROVERSIAL WOULD BE THE INDOOR AUTO REPAIR.
SO IF, IF YOU WANNA TAKE, UH, ONE AND TWO AND FOUR TOGETHER AND THEN THE INDOOR AUTO REPAIR SEPARATELY, THAT WOULD, WOULD BE FINE WITH ME.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE SENSE I GET FROM THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WE'RE, I'M GONNA SET THESE ASIDE.
HERE WE HAVE HOME OCCUPATIONS, NUMBER ONE.
BED AND BREAKFAST IS NUMBER TWO, AUTOMOTIVE IS NUMBER THREE.
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AND NUMBER ONE WAS FINE.I DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THAT.
AND BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION.
UH, JIM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THERE WAS ONE PORTION OF THE, UH, THE GARAGE THING THAT YOU WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.
I WASN'T QUITE SURE, DIDN'T PICK UP EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.
WHICH PART? YEAH, SO THE, THE PART OF IT WAS ON, WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS, BUT THE, THE SETBACK, IF WE'RE BUYING, IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA ALLOW A BUSINESS USE AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL LOT, THE COMMERCIAL, SORRY, TERRY, I SHOULD HAVE GOT YOU'RE FINE.
OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING SAYS A RE A, A BUSINESS USE, COMMERCIAL USE NEEDS TO BE 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL LOT LINE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS BRINGING UP.
SO, AND WE'RE MO AND WE'RE GOING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO ALLOWING THE USE IN THE AGRICULTURE, ALLOWING THE USE.
AND WHERE IT'S ALLOWED NOW IT'S 50 FEET, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S NOT ALLOWED NOW.
AGRICULTURAL, IT'S 40 FEET RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED IN AGRICULTURAL.
THEY'RE ASKING US TO ALLOW IT ALLOWED.
THEY'RE ASKING US TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO ALLOW IT AS A SPECIAL USE.
SO IT STILL NEEDS TO GO THROUGH BCA TO BE REVIEWED, BUT OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT APPLICATION BY THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1123 DASH 53 OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS CITY CODE CASE TA 2242 DASH ONE.
UM, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. FARGO? SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MOTION PASSES THREE TO ONE, THREE TO ZERO, MAN, I'VE LOST IT NOW,
UH, IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION BY THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 11 50 35 IN AN
IS THERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1135 AND 1142.
THE HUBS, CITY CODE CASE TA 22 DASH 42 3.
MS. VAGO, IS THERE A SECOND? MR. JEFFRIES? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULES? MR. JEFFRIES? NO.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE, UM, SO MOTION DENIED IS DENIED, CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDED OF DENIAL TO COUNCIL.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION BY CITY HUBER RIGHTS REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1123? THE HUB RIGHTS CITY CODE CASE TA 22 DASH 42 DASH FOUR.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VAGO? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MS. VAGO? YES.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING.
THE APPLICANT THOMAS E DUSA, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING TO PI PLAN INDUSTRIAL TO CONSTRUCT A TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY AND TRUCK TRAILER DROP
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LOT ON APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES.PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SOUTH SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD, R Z B DP 22 DASH 35.
OKAY, SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM, UH, LAST MONTH.
SO I WILL HIT THE, UH, THE HIGH POINTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS, THE OWNER WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
HE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS MEETING BECAUSE HE IS ON THE ROAD.
UM, SO THE APP, THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, MR. REDUCE IS HERE FOR OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, IT'S ZONED B3 COMMERCIAL AT THE MOMENT.
UH, IT IS VACANT LAND THAT'S BEING, UH, FARMED.
THERE'S INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST, PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST, UH, AND THEN INDUSTRIAL AS WELL TO THE INDUSTRIALLY ZONED LAND, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A REZONING TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL TO FACILITATE THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A 12 SPACE TRUCK STOP WITH A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT, UM, BUILDING, UM, ADDITIONAL BUILDING AND, AND OVERALL USE.
DETAILS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SINCE THE LAST MEETING.
HERE'S THE, THE LOCATION, UH, RIGHT OFF OF 2 35.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ZONING RIGHT NOW IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, LARGELY, UH, EITHER, UM, INDUSTRIAL OR, UH, THIS IS NOW PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST TO FACILITATE, UH, ON NINE ACRES.
ABOUT RIGHT HERE IS A, IS A LARGER TRUCK STOP, UM, WITH CONVENIENCE STORE AND FUELING STA UH, FUELING PUMPS, ET CETERA.
UH, THIS USE THAT'S BEING PROMO PROPOSED IS REALLY A, A, A TRUCK STOP AND MAINTENANCE, UH, FACILITY.
THERE'S NO FUELING OR CONVENIENCE STORE ASPECT TO, TO THIS AT ALL.
UM, THESE ARE SITE, THESE ARE THE PICTURES FROM, UM, THE LAST, UM, WELL, DURING THE LAST MEETING, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT I PROPOSED THE LAST TIME WAS A, I BELIEVE A 30 FOOT OR A 20 FOOT, UH, BUFFER TREE PRESERVATION, UH, AREA DOWN HERE.
UH, AS, AS I'VE LOOKED INTO THE SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DETAILED.
SO PART OF THIS IS, UM, WE HAVE A, THE CITY HAS A LARGE SEWER, UM, FACILITY.
WE HAVE A 30 FOOT SEWER EASEMENT ON THERE.
UM, OUR CONTRACTOR HAS SINCE TAKEN DOWN A NUMBER OF THE TREES, UH, TO FACILITATE SOME REPAIRS AS WELL AS EXPANSION OF THIS SEWER TO THE, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
UM, IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, I THINK WE WILL NEED TO DISCUSS HOW WE LANDSCAPE AND, AND SCREEN OR BUFFER THAT EASTERN EDGE OF THE SITE.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, GIVEN THAT SEWER, UH, LINE, I'M, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT.
I DON'T, IT WILL SERVE NO PURPOSE, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE THE CITY WILL LIKELY VIOLATE IT.
UM, HERE IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ADDED AS FAR AS, UH, PROPOSED FENCING, UM, SOME, UH, PERIMETER, STREET OR PERIMETER, UH, LANDSCAPING TREES.
ALSO THE AREA TO THE SOUTH OF A PROPOSED DETENTION BASIN.
UM, SO AS I SAID, IT'S, IT'S 3.8 ACRES, OR 3.3 ACRES.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT TWO AND A THREE QUARTER, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF OF USABLE ACREAGE GIVEN, UM, EASEMENTS, TOPOGRAPHY, UH, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY IN A BOWL.
UM, SO THE, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, AGAIN, ARE 12 PARKING SPACES AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE, UH, BUILDING IN THIS SITE.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SOME RENDERINGS OF, UH, A PROPOSED, UH, BUILDING.
SO A COMBINATION OF, UM, MASONRY OR SPLIT BLOCK, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, STANDING SEAM.
UM, SO A PRE-ENGINEERED, UH, BUILDING THIS MEETS THE MATERIALS REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE PLANT, INDUSTRIAL, UH, AREA.
SO THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS LOOKING, UH, FROM THE SOUTHEAST TO THE, UH, TO THE NORTH FROM THE SOUTHWEST OF THE NORTHEAST.
UH, AND THIS IS THE REAR, UM, OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THE, UM, ALONG WHAT WOULD BE ARTS, UH, ARTS ROAD.
SO, SO LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, UM, IT IS CLOSE TO THIS I 72 35 INTERCHANGE.
THE AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY ZONED I ONE AND IS USED FOR MANUFACTURING, DISTRIBUTION AND, AND LOGISTICS.
THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE BUSINESSES,
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UH, IN THAT AREA.WE RECENTLY REZONED 35 ACRES FOR, UH, FOR A LARGE TRUCK STOP, UH, FUELING STATION AND, UH, REPAIR FACILITY.
UM, THE APPLICANT FEELS THAT THERE'S A NEED TO, FOR SUPPORT SERVICES FOR OVER THE ROAD TRUCKERS OR LOCAL TRUCKERS WHO HAVE MAXIMIZED THEIR ON-ROAD HOURS AND MUST REST.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING, LIKE I SAID, A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
SO THE PARKING AREA IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR DRIVERS TO, TO PARK THEIR TRUCKS OR TRAILER AND REST OFFSITE.
THE IDEA, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THE, THE TRUCK DRIVER WOULD LEASE THE SPACE, UH, AND THEN EITHER UBER TO A HOTEL, UH, OR DROP THE TRAILER OFF AND THEN TAKE THEIR, UH, THEIR TRACTOR TO WHEREVER IT IS THAT, UH, THAT THEY LIVE.
UM, THERE AREN'T, BESIDES MAINTENANCE AND, AND SORT OF ANCILLARY SUPPORT SERVICES, THERE'S, THERE'S NO CONVENIENCE STORE SHOWERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UH, A DRIVER.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY A PLACE TO PARK, UH, SHORT TERM WHILE THEY REST OFFSITE SOMEWHERE AND MOVE ON.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT CAN FILL IN IF I'M, UH, INCORRECT IN, IN THAT.
UM, SO AS I SAID, THE OWNER, UH, IS IN THE TRUCKING BUSINESS AND FEELS THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS IN THIS AREA.
UM, MOST PRO AND, AND AS FAR AS THE REZONING GOES, THEY FEEL THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS, THIS, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED I ONE, UH, AND, AND HAVE SOME KIND OF LOGISTICAL USE, UM, AND USE HEAVY TRUCKING SERVICES.
WHAT, WHAT WE'RE NOT, WHAT I DON'T KNOW, UH, IS WHETHER THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE LOCAL, UM, BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA, OR IF THIS IS FOR, UH, THOSE TRUCKERS WHO ARE PASSING THROUGH.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THE SITES IN A GATEWAY AREA AND A GROWTH AREA.
UH, AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, THE GATEWAYS ARE PROMINENT ENTRANCES INTO THE CITY.
SO WE WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THEY LOOK.
UH, THEY NEED TO BE DESIGNED AND LO LANDSCAPED IN AN ATTRACTIVE MANNER.
THAT GOES BACK TO MY, UH, POINT EARLIER ABOUT IF THIS GETS TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAGE, WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE EDGES ALONG, UH, 2 35, UH, THE GROWTH AREA, OUR LOCATIONS THAT WE WANT TO SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENCOURAGED, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISCOURAGED BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE INCOMPATIBLE USES BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE, UH, THE BUSINESS GROWTH AND THE INDUSTRIAL GROWTH.
UH, SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, THAT IS HAVING THIS ZONE INDUSTRIAL IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, THIS ISN'T A, UH, THIS ISN'T A, A SITE THAT IS GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF JOBS, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT A VERY LARGE SITE.
UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, MY PERSPECTIVE, THE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM B3 TO PLAIN INDUSTRIAL COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND, AND THAT REALLY GOES TO WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED VERSUS THIS IS A TRUCK TRAILER DROP LOT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRUX OF IT.
SO AS FAR AS CONS, CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, THE PROPOSED USE IS PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THE CURRENT LAND, THE CURRENT PLAN NOW INDICATES A 15 FOOT PERIMETER ROUGH YARD.
UH, THE PREVIOUS PLAN SHOWED 10, IT'S BEEN REVISED TO 15 THAT MEETS THE CODE.
UM, STREET TREES ARE INDICATED ALONG TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS, UH, ROAD AS REQUIRED.
THE BUILDING SETBACKS ARE APPROPRIATE, AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING FACADE, UH, DOES HAVE AT LEAST 30%, UH, MASONRY MATERIALS AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
UM, WE'RE AT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE AT THE MOMENT.
SO THE DETAILS ON SPECIFIC DETAILS ON PARKING, SCREENING, ET CETERA, UH, AREN'T THERE YET.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WILL MEET ALL OF THOSE, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND WE CAN, UH, HASH THAT OUT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, AS I I MENTIONED EARLIER, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONAL DETAILS PROVIDED THAT DOES ALLEVIATE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS, UH, AS FAR AS THE INTENDED USE AND BUILDING DETAILS.
ONE, THAT THERE IS GONNA BE A BUILDING, UH, AND THAT, UH, THAT THEY DO INTEND TO CONSTRUCT SAID BUILDING AND, AND, AND OPERATE KIND OF A, A MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT UNLESS THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED IN PROGRAMMED, THIS LOCATION SIMPLY BECOMES A TRAILER DROP LOT WITH REALLY NO
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VALUE ADDED SERVICES FOR THE DRIVERS OR THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRUX OF MY CONCERN.
UM, SO WE DO FEEL THAT, UH, A REPAIR FACILITY IN OVERNIGHT PARKING AS AN ACCESSOR USE COULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THIS LOCATION.
HOWEVER, A SIMPLE DROP LOT FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING OR TRAILER STORAGE WITHOUT ANY OTHER REPAIR SUPPORT SERVICES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, I'M RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THAT THE ACT, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING CODE.
TWO, THAT ALL PARKING AND LOADING AREAS SHALL BE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.
WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT, UH, AT THE LAST CASE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANTS SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN, AND THAT NO ACTIVITIES INCLUDING PARKING, STORAGE, OR SITE IMPROVEMENTS OCCUR UNTIL THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
UH, THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTED AND THE ZONING CERTIFICATE ISSUED.
UM, WHAT THAT LAST BULLET THERE IS TO GET AT IS THAT, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE LAND TEMPORARILY USED FOR TRAILER STORAGE WHILE THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AGAIN, CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUILDING, REALLY TYING IT, TYING IT ALL TOGETHER.
UH, TOM IS HERE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, THE OWNER'S NOT HERE, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE ACTUAL OWNER, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO TABLE THIS CASE, GIVEN THERE'S ONLY THREE MEMBERS AT THE MOMENT.
BUT I WILL LET, I'LL LET YOU
UH, AND I SAID, UH, MR. DUC IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THAT YOU MAY HAVE, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR ME? WE'LL START OFF WITH QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? I HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, I, I THINK MORE COMMENT, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL, UH, AND, AND BE SURE THAT WHAT GOES IN HERE IS NOT, IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE ALLOW.
AND I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF, OF, WE USED TO HAVE A PLACE, UH, THAT WAS, IT DIDN'T HAVE A VERY GOOD REPUTATION, BUT THEY HAD SHOWERS, THEY HAD BEDS, I THINK, AND FOOD.
AND I WANNA BE SURE THAT THIS BUILDING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT GOING TO BE A BUILDING THAT WILL HAVE A PLACE THAT CAN, UH, UH, THAT THE TRUCKERS CAN GO TAKE A SHOWER AND SPEND THE NIGHT.
I KNOW THEY USUALLY SPEND, UH, SLEEP IN THEIR TRUCKS.
BUT, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO, TO, UM, HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM, UH, THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
NOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DRASTIC NEED FOR A PLACE FOR OUR LOCAL TRUCK DRIVERS THAT LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS TO PARK THEIR RIGS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE, UH, WE WANNA BE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE CREATING IS GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE AND ACCEPTABLE TO WHAT, WHAT THE CITY HAS ENVISIONED.
SO THAT, THAT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, IT'S JUST MORE OF A COMMENT THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THESE PLACES, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR A PLACE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO PARK, BUT WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO BRING IN, UH, OTHER, ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRUCKERS,
SO AARON, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE B3 ZONING WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THIS AT ALL, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS WOULD BE B3? UM, MAINLY RETAIL.
RETAIL TYPE ESTABLISHMENTS OR SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW REPAIR OUTDOOR PARKING, LIKE STANDALONE PARKING.
LIKE THIS VETERINARIAN, I BELIEVE IS ONE OF 'EM, SOME MORE OF YOUR HEAVY KIND OF, UH, COMMERCIAL TYPE ACTIVITIES, RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO FOR B3, BEING THAT IT'S A GATEWAY SLASH GROWTH, NORMALLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A FULL MASONRY FRONT OR FULL MASONRY BUILDING LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THE, UH, THE WENDY'S
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THAT'S JUST NORTH UP IS ZONED, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD, THAT KIND OF THING.RIGHT? EVEN THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET IS GONNA BE FULL BRICK, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, SO GOING DOWN 2 35, THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH THIS ONE, THE ENTRANCE LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE ON TECHNOLOGY INSTEAD, BUT IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN 2 35, THE OTHER BUILDINGS COMING ALONG THERE WOULD ALL BE KIND OF THE FULL BRICK FACADES.
IF I, AM I CORRECT? UH, IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE AREAS, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS, RIGHT? BUT ON ROUTE, RIGHT ON.
WE'RE LEADING ON 2 35 LEADING UP TO THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW.
THOSE ARE NOT INDUSTRIAL, ARE THEY? THEY'RE NOT.
THEY ARE, SOME OF THEM, I WOULD SAY, MARGINAL COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE, THE NEWER BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING REDEVELOPED CERTAINLY ARE FULL MASONARY WRAP A LITTLE BIT MORE DE DETAIL THAN, THAN, UM, AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAN LIKE THIS.
SO THERE'S ONE STREET BEHIND, THEN YOU DO GET INTO THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
BUT IF THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW IS THE BRICK FRONT OR THE MILLER PRESENTED ENTRANCE, I GUESS I WOULD SAY YES.
THE PART ABOUT THE SITE CHARACTERISTIC, YOU SAID IT'S SIX FEET BELOW GRADE FROM THE ROAD, ISN'T THAT GONNA BE QUITE THE BUILDUP THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING WE NEED TO OUTLINE AS FAR AS THAT GOES? OR IS THAT JUST ENGINEERING? SO IT'S REALLY JUST ENGINEERING.
SO THERE'S A LONG DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SLOPED THAT TAKES YOU DOWN INTO GRADE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO, UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR TOM, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT DISTURBS THE, UM, THE SLOPE TO THE NORTH OR TO THE EAST.
UM, THEY WILL NEED TO GRADE OUT, UM, THE DRIVEWAY FROM TECHNOLOGY MM-HMM.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, SO THE SITE IS FLAT ONCE YOU GET BELOW BELOW THE, THE STREET LEVEL.
SO, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE OUTLINED A COUPLE NUMBER OF CONCERNS, AND THEN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE PROGRAMMING KNOWN, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DETAILS FOR THIS, DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFO FOR THIS.
WOULD THAT BE, I, IT SEEMS TO KEEP COMING UP AS A CONCERN.
SO HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE? CAUSE I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING AN APPROVAL AND THEN WE'VE SEEN WHERE THINGS HAVE COME BACK AFTER AN APPROVAL AND SAID, NOW LET ME NIBBLE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, OR MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE HERE.
SO HOW DO WE AVOID THAT BEING THAT THIS IS A GATEWAY ENTRANCE? Y YEAH, SO WHEN, DURING THE FIRST MEETING, UM, I HAD TALKED ABOUT CONCERNS BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD HAD A CONVERSATION ON THE PHONE WITH THE OWNER, THE, THE INTENDED USES, MS. BARGO, TO YOUR POINT, WERE, WERE FLUID.
UH, AND SOME OF THEM INCLUDED THE SHOWER SUPPORT SERVICES FOR, FOR DRIVERS.
THE, SINCE THEN THE, THE APPLICANT, I THINK THERE'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER HERE AS WELL.
BUT SINCE THEN, THE OWNER HAS COME BACK AND, AND CLARIFIED THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT THE INTENT.
THIS IS MORE OF A MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
UM, UM, AND, AND TOM CAN COME FOR, FOR FURTHER DETAIL, BUT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO PROVIDE SORT OF ONSITE DRIVER COMFORT AMENITIES,
IT'S NOT A PLACE TO, TO STAY OVERNIGHT.
UH, IT IS, I THINK INTENDED LARGELY TO ADDRESS THE, BOTH THE LOCAL TRUCK DRIVERS AND THOSE WHO ARE, WHO HAVE RUN OUT OF, OF ROAD TIME.
UM, I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY IS, IS THIS THE TYPE OF USE THAT IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS CORNER, UM, FOR THAT GATEWAY? UH, I'M LESS CONCERNED NOW ABOUT THE, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT LACK OF INFORMATION, BUT THE LACK OF DETAIL, THE, THE LARGE ZONING PARAMETERS, THE INGRESS EGRESS, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN HAMMERED OUT.
I THINK THE LANDSCAPING AND THE DETAILING WILL HANDLE DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
UM, WHAT THE OTHER CONDITION IS THAT THE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO MEET ALL OF THE ZONING CODE, UM, WHICH HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN A CONDITION IN THE PAST.
UM, SO I FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING CIRCLES AROUND YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT, UH, THIS REALLY IS A QUESTION, I THINK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WHETHER YOU THINK THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS INTERSECTION.
AND I CAN ARGUE BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN TOO, IS, I MEAN, IF IT IS A GATEWAY ENTRANCE MARKED FOR GROWTH,
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IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ANY KIND OF GROWTH THERE.WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS HERE OR RESIDENTS UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY OR FOLKS UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY.
I MEAN, THEIR CONCERNS BOTH WAYS.
WELL,
ANYONE ELSE OR ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? DAMN, WHAT'S THAT? OKAY.
DO I NEED TO PUT HIS NAME DOWN? NO.
I'M WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM, HALEY DUSA, AND THE OWNER SA HE IS OUT TRAVELING ON THIS PARTICULAR NIGHT.
HE'S IN TEXAS, UH, DOING SOME TRUCK DRIVING, SO HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.
AND, UM, MOST OF, UH, THE SITUATION HAS BEEN EXPLAINED, UM, PRETTY APPROPRIATELY BY, BY AARON.
UM, I DID WANNA BRING UP A COUPLE POINTS HERE AND THEN ANSWER SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, YOU GUYS HAD, UH, ASKED.
UM, UH, THERE IS, SINCE, SINCE WE WERE HERE THE LAST TIME, UM, WE HAVE ADDED A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, THE TREES OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO THERE IS A, A FENCE GOING AROUND THE PLACE.
THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE A SECURE SITE.
THAT'S WHAT'S IT'S GONNA BE WHEN COMPANY, SOMEBODY COMES TO LEAVES TO, UM, PARK THEIR VEHICLE AND THOSE PARTICULAR INSTANCES, THEY'RE GONNA BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PLACE IS SAFE.
SO IT IS GONNA BE SECURED, UM, WITH, UH, A FENCING AND A GATE AND THERE'LL BE SOME TYPE OF A SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA ALLOW THAT TO WORK OUT.
BUT IT IS MAINLY FOR THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT FOR THE AREA WAS TO USE IT STRICTLY, AT LEAST THE MAIN THING WAS, WAS TO USE IT FOR PEOPLE TO, TO REST.
WE DO FEEL THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT FOR TRUCKERS THAT ARE BASICALLY PASSING THROUGH, UM, AND TO GET THEIR HOURS.
BUT WE DID NOT WANT TO GO AS FAR AS TO HAVE A, A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EAT, UH, SLEEP, SHOWER, ANY OF THAT STUFF.
THAT'S TOO MUCH MORE RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT WASN'T WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
IT WAS MORE WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THEM TO EITHER PARK THEIR WHOLE VEHICLE AND CALL AN UBER TO COME AND GET 'EM, AND THEN USE THE LOCAL AREA FOR WHATEVER, FOR SLEEPING OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO, EAT AND GET CLEANED UP.
OR THEY COULD EVEN JUST PARK THEIR TRAILER THERE TOO AND, AND THEN USE THEIR CAB TO GO AND, AND DO THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED FOR MAYBE IN THE FUTURE FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE HERE AND NEED A PLACE TO, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLE, THEIR OWN TRUCKS, AND THEY CAN'T PARK IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO THEY MAY WANT TO RENT A, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM AREA AND THERE WOULD BE SOME EXPANSION THERE TO THE SOUTH IF WE EVER NEEDED TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL THINKING.
AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, MEETING HERE WAS IT, AND I'M HEARING IT AGAIN TONIGHT, THAT YOU DON'T WANT, YOU NEED TO, BECAUSE THIS IS A, UM, UM, A GATEWAY TO THE AREA.
YOU DON'T WANT JUST TRUCKS PARKING THERE.
SO THEN THE THOUGHT WAS, WELL, WE WILL PROVIDE THE SERVICE OF, OF, OF, OF SERVICE IN THESE TRUCKS, WHICH COULD ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRAVELING.
LOCALS MIGHT HAVE THAT NEED TO HAVE THAT, UH, WORKED OUT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE BUILDING WAS ADDED FOR THAT.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE IN ALL THESE CASES, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN ISO OR WE WANT IT TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE FOR THE GATEWAY.
SO WE PLAN ON MEETING ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
NOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN, YOU MAY NOT SEE THEM YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE 'EM.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIGGER INVESTMENT INTO WHAT I DO AND, AND WHAT THE ARCHITECT'S GONNA DO AND BEFORE, AND WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT IF, IF THE ZONING ISN'T GONNA BE ALLOWED TO GET CHANGED.
BUT THOSE THINGS WILL BE BROUGHT UP TO WHATEVER STANDARD.
AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM AARON WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS CUZ WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WERE GONNA TRY TO GO I ONE OR, UM, OR ONE OF THE I AND UH, OR I TWO, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
BUT THEN HE SUGGESTED WE, WE GO WITH THE PC FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS
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ARE SAYING.HOW CAN YOU CONTROL IT? YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL IN WHAT WE DO.
YOU CAN PUT THOSE THOSE THINGS DOWN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CANNOT GET YOUR CERTIFICATE UNLESS YOU DO THESE THINGS.
AND IF IT'S BUILD THE BUILDING, THEN WE GOTTA BUILD THE BUILDING.
WE GOTTA GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER.
BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT GIVES YOU GUYS MORE CONTROL IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT END OF IT.
I DID WANNA BRING UP ANOTHER POINT.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE DASHED AREAS.
THIS IS GONNA BE A SITE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, UM, BRING IN A LOT OF SOIL OR EVEN HAUL IT OFF.
WE'RE GONNA USE THOSE AREAS AS UM, BORROW PITS.
WE CAN TAKE OFF THE TOP, ALL THAT TOP SOIL, ALL THAT AREA WHERE THE, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT'S TOP SOIL.
THAT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST USUALLY WHEN, WHEN WE DEAL WITH FIELDS, IT'S 12 INCHES WE AVERAGE MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF, UH, TOP SOIL WE GOTTA GET RID OF AND INSTEAD OF HAULING IT OFF, WE'RE GOING TO DIG IN THOSE AREAS TO GET THE GOOD STUFF TO BUILD THAT RAMP.
AND THEN WE CAN FILL THE HOLE IN WITH THE TOP SOIL.
SO WHATEVER WE DO AT THE SITE IS ALL GO IS ALL GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
WE CAN PUT DETENTION AND WE HAVE A NATURAL FLOWING STREAM THERE TO THE SOUTH OR OR CREEK THAT, UM, BUT WE WILL CONTROL ANY WATER COMING OFF THAT SHEATH FLOW WITH THE DETENTION.
WE'RE GONNA STAY AWAY FROM THAT EASEMENT THERE TO ON THE EAST EDGE.
AND UM, UM, AND, AND I GUESS WE'RE, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT, BUT WE'RE WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN.
AND I GUESS THE ONLY EX ONLY REAL TRUE EXPANSION TO THE AREA WOULD BE IF LOCALS WOULD WANT TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES IF THERE'S MUCH OF A, THAT MUCH OF A DEMAND.
BUT AS FAR AS UH, PEOPLE WORKING THERE, THERE'RE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE WORKING IN THE MECHANICAL AREA.
MAYBE FIVE, SIX KNOW, AND, AND THEN MAYBE IT MAY BE A GUARD TO WATCH THE PLACE.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MS. BARGO, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO YOU HAVE THERE PLANNED FOR YOUR INITIAL? I I'VE ONLY DONE 12, BUT I DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE 12 VEHICLES THERE IN ONE DAY? BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HALF OF THOSE ANYWAYS WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY BE FOR YOUR OVERNIGHT PARKING.
UH, YOU MEAN LOCALS TO, TO WORK ON? OH, NO, NO.
I I I THAT'S NOT YOUR INITIAL PLAN TO HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE, PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.
THAT'S NOT YOUR PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT WAS OUR OH, THAT IS YOUR PLAN.
YOUR ORIGINAL THINKING AND I WHO KNOW, MAYBE WOULD'VE HAD A SMALLER BUILDING BUT THEN YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP AT THE, OR WAS BROUGHT UP IN HIS REPORT THAT YOU GUYS WANTED THAT THIS WAS GONNA NEED TO BE LOOK AT A NICE SITE, NOT JUST PARKING.
AND SO NOW WE'VE EXPANDED IT TO NOW INCLUDE THE BUSINESS OF WORKING ON VEHICLES AND, AND BUILD THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT CRITERIA SO THAT IT LOOKS NICE TO THE OUTSIDE.
BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, THAT THERE, YOU HAD ROOM FOR EXPANSION IN THE REAR.
BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE DETENTION BASIN.
WELL, WE DO, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF ROOM THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT SCALE OF THAT DRAWING, THERE'S ROOM TO PARK MORE DOWN THERE AND THAT DETENTION BASIN IS WAY MORE THAN IT'S PROBABLY NEEDED.
I JUST KIND OF THREW THAT, THAT'S A GENERAL AREA WHERE I'M GONNA WORK ON DETENTION CUZ THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE, THE GRADING GOES AND THE CREEKS RIGHT THERE I CAN RELEASE THE WATER TO, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS SAY NO, WE WOULDN'T DO IT.
I'M, I'M MORE, YOU BROUGHT THE, YOU PUT PLANTED THAT SEED IN MY HEAD JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO WHEN YOU SAID
THERE'S PROBABLY IS PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THERE'S THAT DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
SO JUST ONE MORE, UH, POINT THAT I HAVE TO MAKE IS, UH, ONE OF THE, UM, THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED IS THAT YOU'LL SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN.
DO YOU, DO YOU PLAN TO DO THAT? THAT YES, THAT'S MY POINT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BUILDING THERE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE APPROVED.
AND IF YOU KNOW THAT UP UPFRONT, THEN YOU CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE OWNER HAS, I'VE TOLD HIM SEVERAL TIMES THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE WAY WHAT YOU GUYS WANT AND YOU GUYS NEED TO CONTROL THAT BY STATING IT THIS EXACTLY WHAT AARON
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PUT IN HIS REPORT.AND WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT.
WE JUST DIDN'T PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AT THIS POINT.
BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK ON MY PART.
MR. MR. JEFFRIES, JAN, I THINK ONE THING JUST TO MAKE SURE, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE OVERNIGHT, THE VEHICLE OVERNIGHT, NOT THE PEOPLE OVERNIGHT, CORRECT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST SAFER FOR EVERYBODY AND YEP.
UM, QUESTION ON THE BUILDING MATERIAL ITSELF.
SO SINCE EVERYTHING ELSE ALONG THE FRONTAGE IS DONE, IF IT'S THE ZONED B3 OR COMMERCIAL, IT'S THE FULL BRICK OR FULL MASONRY, IS THAT AN OPTION ON THIS BUILDING? WELL, UH, THE WAY WE APPROACHED IT, THAT'S AN ARCHITECT QUESTION.
WE DID HIRE AN ARCHITECT TO GIVE US THE RENDERING.
AND WHAT WE DID WAS GIVE THE ARCHITECT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
I, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS OR ADD-ONS TO IT, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER COMPLETELY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE IT BLEND IN BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND AN INDUSTRIAL IF WE HAVE IT.
THE BUILDING UP HERE MORE THE COMMERCIAL FACADE PLUS THE LANDSCAPING.
SO IT'S GOT MORE OF THE B3 PRESENCE.
GRANTED, YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WHEN YOU START STACKING TRUCKS IN THERE.
BUT IF I, I'M JUST THINKING THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE A WAY THAT IT WOULD BE A KIND OF A TRANSITION, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
UH, I'M GONNA SAY, I'M SPEAKING FOR HIM.
HE, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT MY POINT TO HIM IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA ASK US TO DO.
OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE OR SOMETHING, THE BUILDING'S ALSO BIGGER THAN SOME OF THESE B3 BUILDINGS TOO.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN YOU APPLY ALL THAT STUFF, IT, IT, IT STARTS TO ADD TO EXPENSE.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE MORE COST, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S BIGGER WHEN YOU START THROWING UP STEEL SIDING.
IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER SIDE OF A STEEL WALL INSTEAD OF A MASONRY WALL, YOU KNOW, BUT THOSE COULD BE MADE TO LOOK NICE.
UM, EVERYTHING LOOKS NICE DAY ONE.
MR. SORO, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, RENDERING OF THE BUILDING? SO AS FAR AS CHANGES TO THE BUILDING AT, AT, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WOULDN'T ADD MAYBE A LOT OF COST.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE 2 35 SITE, UH, HAVING SOME WINDOW OR OTHER, UM, PENETRATION HERE ON THE GABLE END, UM, TO BREAK UP THIS, THIS FACADE THAT, THAT WOULD BE ON THE, THE 2 35 SIDE.
HOW ABOUT, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CHANGE THE, UH, THE, UH, THE WINDOW, EITHER THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, BUT WE CAN, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THE DETAILS THAT WE'LL, THAT WE WOULD WORK OUT WELL, YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE 'EM A HEADS UP INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THAT DAY WHEN THEY PRESENT THAT AND, UH, OKAY.
YEAH, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD? MASONRY DETAIL OR, YEAH, DETAIL.
DETAIL THAN JUST A, A SHEET OF STEEL.
I'M THINKING LIKE DISCOUNT TIRE, HOW THAT BUILDING IS GONNA BE BUILT.
I MEAN, THAT'S EXACTLY FULL MASONRY, BUT IT'S, IT'S BIG AND IT'S BIGGER THAN THIS, BUT IT'S THE, THE MASONRY WITH THE TRUCK COLORS AND THE TONES AND STUFF BREAKS IT UP FOR THAT BIG OF A BUILDING.
I MEAN, I, I ASSUME THAT THEY, IT CAN BE, THEY CAN ASK HIM FOR WHAT HE'S ASKING.
THEY CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK US TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT, BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT AND YOU, YOU, DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR, IT'S YOUR CONTROL.
THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE PI TO ME WAS, THAT WE'RE GOTTA BE FAIR ABOUT CONTROL TOO.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, BUT I THINK I'M GETTING THE, UH, THE IMPRESSION YOU WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DECORATIONS ON THE, ON THE BUILDING BREAKING UP SOME OF THOSE SOLID WALLS.
I THINK IT BEING, IT'D BE IF IT, IT'S AT THE GATEWAY, IT'S GONNA BE AT THE ENTRANCE.
IT'S GONNA, IF WE HAVE THE FULL MASONRY, IT'S GONNA BLEND MORE ALONG THE LINES OF GRANTED, ONCE YOU GET DOWN THERE, LIKE IF THIS, IF THIS THING WAS TWO PARCELS IN, WE WEREN'T EVEN PROBABLY HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT ONCE YOU, YOU KNOW, ENTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE RIGHT UP THERE, CUZ IT, THAT'S WHAT, WHERE WENDY'S IS, WHERE UH, UH, WHATCHA YOU CALL IT, THE FIREPLACE IS OVER THERE.
AND THOSE ARE ALL BRICK OFFICE STYLE OR BRICK BUILDINGS.
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OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU PUT THE SEMI TRUCKS IN THERE AND THE FENCE AROUND IT, IT'S GONNA GET MORE INDUSTRIAL LOOKING.BUT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE BUILDING AND LANDSCAPING TO MAKE IT A, A TRANSITION IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO COME UP WITH.
AND, AND I WOULD BE CERTAINLY MORE IN FAVOR OF THE ALL MASONRY RATHER THAN PUTTING WINDOWS IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, BREAKING IT UP TO ME IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I WOULD'VE A QUESTION FOR AARON AND HEARING NO OTHER, UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
I GET AARON, I GUESS I WOULD JUST KIND OF DEFER TO YOU AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS TRYING TO MAKE IT A TRANSITION, I MEAN, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE BETWEEN LANDSCAPING AND BUILDING MATERIALS, IS THAT GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR INPUT AROUND IT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADD TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? NO, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO HEAD AS FAR AS THE BUILDING DESIGN AND, AND THAT APPROACH ON THAT.
UM, FROM, FROM A, FROM A PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, UH, IF THE COMMISSION IS GOOD WITH THE USE, THEN WE CAN WORK, UH, ON THE DETAILING OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
AND, AND, AND TRANSFORM THIS INTO MORE OF A GATEWAY LOOK.
I GUESS MY, MY ONLY THING ON THAT IS I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR WITH EVERYBODY.
SO THERE AREN'T ANY SURPRISES AT THE DETAILED PHASE BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE WHEN IT COMES BACK AND THEY SAY, OH, WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP BACK THEN AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT BEFORE, NOT BY YOU GUYS, BUT BY OTHER APPLICANTS IN THE PAST AND LIKE YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
THAT, THAT, THAT NOBODY ACTS SURPRISED ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF LATER.
AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND, YOU KNOW, THEN I'M, SO WHAT I WOULD DO, IF, IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THE I'S ARE DOTTED, UM, I WOULD ADD A CONDITION THAT THE BUILDING BE A FULL MASONRY WRAP, UH, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
THAT WAY THERE'S NO QUESTIONS IF I GET HIT BY A BUS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT DIS DISCUSSIONS REALLY.
SO WE'RE ADDING THAT AS NUMBER FIVE.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING SHALL BE 100% MASONRY EXCLU EXCLUDING DOORS AND, AND WINDOW OPENINGS UNLESS ALTERNATIVELY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HOW FAST HE THINKS I CAN WRITE
I'VE GOT EXTERIOR BUILDING SHOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT GO WITH THAT MASON UNLESS MASONRY MASONRY, UNLESS, UM, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BRING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN CHIP DOWN FROM THAT IF YOU, IF THEY SURE THEY COME BACK.
BECAUSE IF THE BUILDING IS SUCH A, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE BACKSIDE RIGHT, THEN THAT COULD BE ELIMINATED AT THE DETAILED PLAN, THE MASONRY.
AND THAT GIVES YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY RIGHT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE FENCING? ANYTHING FENCING WILL BE TO CODE? UM, YEAH, WE DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE ALLOW YEAH.
OR AT LEAST NOT, NOT NO RAZOR WIRE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE ALLOW IT ANYWAY.
UM, SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT IT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS IT'S THE GALVANIZED WRAP OR WHATEVER.
NOT JUST PLAIN OLD SILVER, RUSTY METAL.
YOU'RE WANTING SOMETHING PUT IN HERE.
I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THE FENCING.
ANYTHING'S BETTER THAN THE, UH, THE OLD DETAIL OLD METAL THAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE NOW IS NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT THOMAS E DUSA FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING TO PI PLANNED INDUSTRIAL TO CONSTRUCT A TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY AND TRUCK TRAILER DROP LOT ON APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD CASE R Z B D P 22 DASH 35 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED DECEMBER 6TH, 2022 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD
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AS AMENDED MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VAGO? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. FARGO? YES.
UM, MOTION IS PASSED THREE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, SO THE NEXT STEPS TO WITH THE APPLICANT IS, UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AND, AND WE'LL JUST THERE.
DO I NEED TO, DO I NEED TO PRODUCE ANYTHING BETWEEN THAT AND THAT? NO, WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED.
HUH? I I WOULD PRODUCE YOUR OWNER
NEXT, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, A MINOR CHANGE, THE APPLICANT CAP DES CAP SIGNS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO ADD ONE FIVE FOOT EIGHT INCH NON ILLUMINATED GROUND SIGN.
APPROXIMATELY 13 SQUARE FEET PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 70 50 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD MC 22 DASH 44.
SO WE SHOULD CLIP ALONG THROUGH THESE NEXT COUPLE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE LOCATION I THINK, UH, MOST ARE FAMILIAR, UH, WHERE TJ CHUMPS IS ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE MEYER TO THE, THE SOUTHEAST, UH, AND THEN THE ROSE TO, TO THE WEST.
UM, THE APPLICANT, AS YOU JUST SAID, IS REQUESTS, UH, A NON, WHAT I SHOULD SAY IS A NON INTERNALLY, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UH, GROUND SIGN, UH, AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
AS I PUT THE PHOTOS IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL VEGETATION GROWTH BETWEEN, UH, I THINK 2014 WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED.
SO THERE'S REALLY A LOT LESS VISIBILITY, ESPECIALLY AS YOU TRAVEL WESTBOUND ON EXECUTIVE, UH, TO SEE THIS BUILDING.
UH, THE SIGN IS LESS, THE SIGN SIZE IS LESS THAN IT'S, IT'S, UH, PERMITTED OR, OR IS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED UNDER THE ZONING CODE.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER SIMILAR SIZED, UH, GROUND SIGNS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, THIS IS THE RENDERING SHOWING, UM, THE THE SCALE TO, UH, A PERSON.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, THE GRAPHIC OR THE RENDERING WITH, UH, WHERE THE SIGN WILL BE LOCATED.
UM, AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, TALKING TO THE APPLICANT JUST NOW, UH, THERE ARE FUTURE PLANS TO UPLIGHT THE SIGN FROM AN EXTERIOR, UH, OR EXTERNAL, UH, SOURCE, WHICH WE HAVE NO ISSUES ABOUT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? JUST ONE ON THE, WELL, FIRST, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE AT ALL FOR THE ELIMINATION FOR THE FUTURE? DID YOU SAY THEY PLAN TO APPLY IT UP? UM, SO I WOULD JUST SAY AND SET IN THE DECISION ORDER WHERE IT SAYS A NON ILLUMINATED, I WOULD JUST SAY NON INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN.
AND THEN, CAUSE I'M ALL FOUR LIGHTING IN THE AREA, IT'S DARK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T NON ILLUMINATE, JUST SCRATCH OUT NON, IT JUST SAYS, UH, SIGN.
CAUSE THAT WAY IF THEY COME BACK LATER AND DON'T EVEN COME BACK TO ADD A LIGHT BULB.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO COME BACK TO THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT, IT IS, WE CAN USE SOME LIGHTING THERE.
UM, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH I, I GUESS THIS PROBABLY WOULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD FALL ON THEM OR ON THE MEYER PROPERTY, BUT WHERE THE VEGETATION IS GROWN UP QUITE A BIT THERE, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT HAVING SOME OF THAT CUT BACK? CAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU ARE COMING OUT OF THAT AREA, IT IS A LITTLE BIT AB OBSTRUCTED, SO YEAH.
UM, THAT WAS, I WAS MEANT TO, TO BE HERE EARLIER TO TODAY TO TALK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER ABOUT THAT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S TJ CHUMPS PROPERTY'S RESPONSIBILITY OR IF THAT'S OURS OR MY, UH, UH, MEYER, I THINK YEAH, HE HAS, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE UNKEMPT AND I'M, I'D IMAGINE IT'S IN ONE OF THOSE PRESERVATION ZONES OR SOMETHING FROM YEAH, WE WANTED IT UNKEMPT, BUT NOW IT'S NEEDS A LITTLE TRIMMING AND YEAH.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHO RESPONSIBILITY THAT IS.
THAT'S WHY I NEEDED TO, TO LOOK INTO THAT.
WE JUST GET AN UPDATE DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT.
WE DON'T NEED TO HOLD THEM UP FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? APPLICANT HERE,
DAVID WILLIAMS. CAP SIGNS 74 64 WEBSTER STREET GATE, OHIO.
I JUST, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO ADD.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE SIGN.
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AFTER WE HAD KIND OF CONTRACTED WITH, WITH THE CLIENT THAT HE MENTIONED TO ME THAT HE'S GOING TO, TO, HE'S GOT ELECTRIC OUT THERE ON THE SITE FROM THE BUILD OUT OF THE PROPERTY IN 14 FOR JUST THAT REASON THAT IF THEY EVER DECIDE TO PUT A SIGN OUT THERE, THEY COULD EITHER LIGHT IT INDIRECTLY OR INTERNALLY.UM, AND HE'S CHOSEN TO DO IT INDIRECTLY.
IT'S AN EASIER MAINTENANCE KIND OF THING AT THAT POINT.
HE'S JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MORE ENTRY VISIBILITY AND NOT HAVE CONFUSION ON WHO'S WHERE THAT STREET'S GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF PLANS FOR THAT ROAD CURRENTLY.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, SO, UM, HE JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONFUSION WHERE HIS ENTRY IS.
AND THAT'S, I'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE IN HEARING NO OTHER WE'LL, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? CAP SIGNS FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO ADD ONE FIVE FOOT EIGHT INCH GROUND SIGN, APPROXIMATELY 13 SQUARE FEET.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 70 50 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE MC 22 DASH 44 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED, UH, DECEMBER 6TH, 2022, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED IS WHAT I'LL SAY SINCE WE SCRATCHED OUT THE SPOT.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT FOR ZONING, UH, PERMITS AND THAT'LL BE IT.
UH, NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT, JOHN COAC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE COMBINED BASIC AND DE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 10,600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING MEDIC TO THE EXISTING MEDICAL FACILITY.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 85 0 1 TROY PIKE, MJC 22 DASH 43 MR. CRELL.
OKAY, SO THIS IS AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING, UH, CHILDREN'S MEDICAL CENTER THAT IS, UH, OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE.
IT'S, UH, 3.8 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED, UH, COMMERCIAL.
UH, IT IS AN EXISTING, UH, CHILDREN'S MEDICAL FACILITY.
THE ADJACENT LAND IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL REALLY ON THREE SIDES AND THEN PLANNED, UM, PUBLIC AND, UM, PRIVATE BUILDINGS TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER MEDICAL USE, UH, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UH, FOR THE MEDICAL CENTER, WHICH, UH, REPLACED ANOTHER MEDICAL BUILDING BUILDING, UH, WAS GRANTED IN OCTOBER OF 2014.
THEY ARE REQUESTING AN ADDITION TO THE REAR, UH, TO EXPAND THE EXAM ROOMS AS WELL AS OTHER, UM, UH, ROOMS. THERE'S AN OVERALL EIGHT PLACE PARKING, EIGHT SPACE PARKING, UH, REDUCTION, WHICH, UH, STAFF THINKS IS, IS, UH, MINOR.
THE ARROW SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE, UH, LOCATION OF THE ADDITION.
IT'S REALLY A REAR ADDITION, UH, ON THE, ON THE EXISTING FACILITY.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING FACILITY, UH, RIGHT HERE.
UH, THIS ILLUSTRATES THE EIGHT PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE RE REMOVED FOR THE, FOR THE NEW FACILITY.
UH, THIS IS THE NEW 10,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE REAR.
UH, THIS LINE IS REALLY THE DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, UH, AND THE EXPANSION.
SO THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR OR PLAN TO BE VERY SIMILAR IN BOTH MATERIAL COLOR AND OVERALL DESIGN AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.
UH, HERE'S ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, UH, SHOWING, UH, THE EXPANSION.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE LINE FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE NEW, THE NEW ADDITION TO THE REAR, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN 2014.
UH, WHAT'S BEING PLANNED FOR THE, FOR THE NEW ADDITION REALLY CARRIES THAT SAME THEME, UM, SIGNIFICANT PLANTINGS AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS, UH, IN THE, THE PARKING AREA AND ENTRANCES, UH, LEADING, UH, INTO THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR PROBABLY STAFF, UH, EXITS, UH, TOWARDS THIS REAR.
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IT IS, UH, THE PROPOSED USE OF, UH, OF THE FACILITY PRO, UH, CONFORMS WITH THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE EXISTING P U D.UM, AS FAR AS PARKING AND LOADING STAFF FIELDS, THE IMPACT ON PARKING IS NEGLIGIBLE.
THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES WITH THIS EXPANSION, 156 SPACES, UH, 153 SPACES, UH, WILL BE PROVIDED.
SO THERE'S REALLY ONLY A NET DEFICIT OF THREE SPACES REQUIRED BY, UM, BY OUR CODE.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, HAS TOLD US THAT THE SIMILAR FACILITIES THEY'RE BUILDING, UH, IN BEAVER CREEK AND, AND ELSEWHERE, THIS SORT OF SAME STYLE AND SIZE BUILDING TYPICALLY USES ABOUT 140 SPACES.
UM, SO, UH, BOTH IN THEIR PER UH, UH, THEIR VIEW AND MINE, UH, THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING TO SATISFY THE DEMAND AT THIS SITE.
AS I SAID, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING FACILITY.
UM, SO THE, THE EXPANSION WILL ADD 12 ADDITIONAL EXAM ROOMS, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL, UH, NUMBER TO 40 WITHIN THE, UH, THE BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE MEDICAL FACILITY TO JUST UNDER 35,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AS I SAID, I THINK THE EXPANSION WILL HAVE A MINOR IMPACT ON PARKING, UM, BUT WE STILL FEEL THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH, UH, THAT IS THERE.
UM, I FEEL THAT THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF APPROVAL OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 11 71 0 6, UH, ARE SATISFIED AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, THANK YOU SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
CHECK HERE ON BEHALF OF, I GUESS OURSELVES, UM, 3,500 PENTAGON BOULEVARD IN BEAVER CREEK.
AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO, TO AARON'S PRESENTATION.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH IF THERE ARE ANY OF ME.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YOU KNOW WHAT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I THINK WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PLANS, UH, UH, DO THE BOTH, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE OLD ENTRANCE AND THE NEW ENTRANCE? YES, MA'AM.
THEY'LL BE SERVING SEPARATE FUNCTIONS.
UH, HEARING NO OTHER, UH, OBJECTIONS OR NO OTHER COMMENTS? COMMENTS? THANK YOU,
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? JOHN COPPEL, CHECK.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 85 0 1 OLD TROY PIKE, CASE MJC 22 DASH 43 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED DECEMBER 6TH, 2022, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS, THE RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT WOULD BE NEXT FOR, UH, APPLICANT? SO WE WILL MOVE.
SINCE THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE, UH, WE WILL MOVE THIS TO, UH, COUNSEL, UH, MID-JANUARY.
UH, BUT SINCE THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO BOTH THE BASIC AND THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT WILL BE YOUR LAST STEP.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS REZONING.
THE APPLICANTS RICHARD BOMBER AND STACY CARR ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES FROM I ONE INDUSTRIAL TO R ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 77 67 AND 77 77 WILDCAT ROAD, RZ 22 DASH 41.
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MR. CRELL.OKAY, SO THIS IS A CASE WHERE, UM, I BELIEVE WE THOUGHT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A, UM, A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND THAT NEVER, UH, PANNED OUT.
SO THE THE SITES IN, UH, QUESTION ARE A TOTAL OF FOUR ACRES.
THEY'RE ZONED I ONE AT THE MOMENT, BUT THEY ARE OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL HOMES OFF OF WILDCAT.
THE, UH, ADJACENT LAND BOTH TO THE WEST AND THE NORTH ARE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST PLANNED COMMERCIAL AND TO THE SOUTH.
I ONE THE APPLICANT, UH, AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING, UM, FOR APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES FROM I ONE TO R ONE TO FACILITATE AN EXPANSION OF HIS EXISTING RESIDENCE.
UH, AND THEN REALLY TO BRING THESE BACK TO CONFORMING, UH, USES.
SO BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, UM, AROUND 1994, A LOT OF WILDCAT ROAD WAS BEING REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL, UH, TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF REZONINGS ON WILDCAT, UM, 1994, ALSO 2012.
UM, BUT WE'VE, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, UM, THE REZONING WAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BOTH TO THE WEST OF WILDCAT AND THEN TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND, UH, PICKED UP THE APP, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, HOME, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF WILDCAT ROAD.
UM, HE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND HIS HOME, BUT THE CURRENT ZONING CODE DOES NOT ALLOW, UM, AN EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE SINCE IT'S A, UH, ZONED I ONE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE NON-CONFORMING.
SO HE CAN, HE CAN REALLY DO VERY LITTLE WITH HIS EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, SO WE SUGGEST THE REZONE THAT PROPERTY BACK TO R ONE.
WE ALSO CONTACTED ADJACENT OWNERS WHO WERE PART OF, UH, THAT SORT OF WIDER REZONING FROM, UH, R TO TO I ONE.
UH, WE WERE, WE GOT ONE RESPONSE, UH, AND THAT'S THE OWNER AT 70 77 WILDCAT ROAD.
SHE WOULD LIKE HER PROPERTY TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, REZONING, UH, AS WELL.
UH, THESE ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES IN QUESTION, UH, RIGHT HERE.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF REZONINGS OVER THE YEARS UP AND DOWN WILDCAT.
UM, BUT WHAT WE THINK ORIGINALLY OCCURRED WAS THAT ALL OF THIS AREA WAS, WAS REZONED TO I ONE.
UH, SOME OF THIS HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN REZONED TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT, THAT STILL EXIST THAT ARE ZONED, I ONE INCLUDE THIS LITTLE ONE HERE.
UH, AND THEN THESE TWO AS WELL.
UH, THIS I ONE IS OWNED BY THE SAME LANDOWNER OVER HERE.
UH, AND THEN THIS I ONE CURRENTLY IS, IS FOR SALE.
UM, SO SINCE THE APPLICANT IS REALLY A NON-CON, A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE, IT, IT DOES PROVIDE HI, UH, IT DOES HINDER HIS ABILITIES TO DO REALLY ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
UH, THIS IS A ZOOMED IN VERSION.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE JUST, UH, TWO RESIDENTIAL, UH, STRUCTURES RIGHT HERE.
THE, UM, APPLICABLE ZONING CHAPTERS INCLUDE, UH, 1130, WHICH IS THE PROCEDURE TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP AS WELL AS 1144, WHICH IS THE R ONE DISTRICT.
UH, THE BOTH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES MEET ALL OF THE R ONE DISTRICT STANDARDS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE CURRENTLY LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USES.
UH, A CHANGE IN THE ZONING WILL ALLOW THE PRIMARY APPLICANT TO EXPAND HIS STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH HE IS WANTING TO DO FOR MEDICAL REASONS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY BEING ZONED R ONE RATHER THAN I ONE WILL PROBABLY ENABLE A SMOOTHER REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION IF EITHER INDIVIDUALS WERE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, UH, AS A, AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, UM, IN ADDITION TO ANY KIND OF ISSUES WITH THE BANKS, UH, FOR HOME EQUITY LINES OF CREDIT, OR IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A, AN AN INSURANCE CLAIM, ET CETERA.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE IN STATS VIEW, THE, THE BEST PATH.
UM, SO IN OUR OPINION, THE REZONING FOR I ONE TO R ONE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THESE TWO LOTS.
UM, THEY ARE CURRENTLY OCCUPIED AND THE OWNER'S PLANS ARE TO MAINTAIN THEM THESE PROPERTIES AS RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, THEREFORE WE, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. BOGO? YES.
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WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT'S THE LOT SIZE FOR R ONE? IS THAT FOR THE LARGER LOTS? IT'S NOT THE LARGEST.UH, I WANT TO SAY IT'S 6,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE I KNOW BOTH OF THOSE LOTS ARE QUITE LARGE.
THEN WHAT, WHAT IS THE ZONING DISTRICT OF THE HUBER HOMES THAT ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM? ARE THOSE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL? NO.
UH, SO ARE THEY OUR THEY'RE, THEY'RE PR I, I, YEAH.
OH, SO R ONE WOULD BE A HALF ACRE LOT.
WELL, JUST OVER A HALF ACRE LOT AT, UH, 30,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE I WAS WHAT ABOUT R TWO 20,000, 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS LOT AS FOR R ONE, THIS, THIS, THE R ONE DISTRICT FITS THE SIZE OF THEIR LOTS THE BEST.
AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT? WELL, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T REQUEST WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEST.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE I THOUGHT THE R ONE S WERE THE SMALLER LOTS MM-HMM.
UM, ON THIS, THE ONE THAT YOU SAID WAS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE YEAH.
UM, THE ONE, YEAH, THERE, THE ONE THAT YOU SAID BELONGED TO ACROSS THE STREET, AND IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT HAS A, WHICH APPEARS TO BE AN ABANDONED HOME WITH A BRAND NEW GARAGE YEAH.
WHAT'S THE STORY ON THAT? BECAUSE IF SO, I DON'T THINK THIS ONE IS BEING USED AS A, AS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
NO, I DON'T EITHER, BUT, BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE A BRAND NEW GARAGE THERE? IBEL, I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S ZONED I ONE, IT'S ALSO THE SAME OWNER THAT UHHUH HAS ALL OF THIS LAND AS WELL.
SO I THINK THEY'RE SOMEWHAT CONNECTED.
I IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEXT DOOR TO AND I ZONING JUST SEEMS INCOMPATIBLE TO ME BECAUSE EVERYTHING ON THE, WHICHEVER SIDE THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, IS COMMERCIAL.
I MEAN, WE USED TO EVEN HAVE THE CITY HAD, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE DUMPED OUR LEAVES, UH, AT ONE TIME, UH, DOWN WHERE THAT BROWN PART IS.
UH, SO I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME HOUSES THERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, BUT THE HOUSES SEEM TO ALL BELONG TO THE ONE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE TRUCKS, IS THAT RIGHT? ONLY, ONLY THIS PROPERTY, I BELIEVE.
AND THIS ONE IS A, I BELIEVE IS BEING USED AS A RESIDENTIAL USE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I SAW A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS THEY HAD WATERFRONT
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE RENTING IT OR IF THEY WERE SELLING IT.
YEAH, WE, UM, WE SENT A LETTER TO THEM AS WELL TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS REZONING AND THEY NEVER RESPONDED BACK.
SO, AND THAT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL.
IT DOESN'T BELONG TO EITHER ANY OF THE OTHER LAND IN FRONT OF IT OR BEHIND IT.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN EASEMENT OR SOME VACATED RIGHT OF WAY THAT, THAT THE CITY OWNS.
BUT NO, THIS WHAT I COULD TELL AS ANOTHER, AS RESIDENTIAL, WE, WE SENT A LETTER TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO BE INCLUDED.
UM, SO WE DID NOT INCLUDE THEM OF AARON.
I'M JUST UNCOMFORTABLE WITH REZONING TO A RESIDENTIAL WHEN THE WHOLE STREET IS INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVEN NEXT DOOR, THE ONE THAT HAS THE ABANDONED HOUSE WITH A NEW GARAGE, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING PLANNED THERE.
AND YET THOSE ARE TWO REALLY DEEP LOTS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THEY CAN EXPAND THEIR RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT REZONING ANY WAY AT ALL IN SOME KIND OF A VARIANCE FOR THEM OR SOMETHING? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
NOT THE WAY OUR CODE IS WRITTEN.
THE, THE REZONING IS THE BEST, THE BEST, UM, TO REZONE EVEN, EVEN WITH A, ON A STREET THAT IS ALL INDUSTRIAL.
WELL, THE STREET IS, I MEAN THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S THE BACKSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
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THE EAST SIDE IS, IS MOSTLY, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL AND OR INDUSTRIAL.UM, SO, SO THIS IS, UH, SOMETIMES I REFER TO THIS AS PLANNERS BLIGHT WHERE, UM, WE HAVE GONE IN AND REZONE AN AREA THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD, WOULD TRANSITION TO INDUSTRIAL.
AND WHAT WHAT IS LEFT IS EXISTING RESIDENTS WITH ESSENTIALLY LEGAL NONCONFORMING USES AT SOME POINT, IF THEY EVER SELL, UH, AND THEY WANT TO, UM, AND THE NEW OWNER WANTS TO CHANGE THE USE INTO, INTO INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. JEFFRIES? AARON, AM I CORRECT? THEY, THIS WAS CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY AT SOME TIME? THIS WAS NOT THE ON, NOT THE RESIDENT THAT ASKED FOR THAT CHANGE BEFORE.
CORRECT SIR? WE'RE NOW JUST ASKING TO PUT IT BACK TO WAY IT WAS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AND I WILL SAY THAT THE RECORDS ARE SOMEWHAT UNCLEAR, UH, AS TO WHEN THAT OCCURRED.
UM, I THINK IT'S WHEN THAT STORAGE PLACE WENT IN, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE ZONING STARTED, ISN'T IT, DOWN AT THE VERY END OF THE, OF WILDCAT ROAD.
SO THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF ZONING CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD OVER THE YEARS.
UM, AND I'M NOT REALLY CONVINCED THAT THIS PLANNED COMMERCIAL IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE.
THAT'S ON THE ZONING MAP, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HEAD DOWN THAT PATH TONIGHT.
UM, AND I'M GUESSING THAT THESE WERE THE THREE REMNANTS OF THAT WEREN'T PLATTED AS PART OF THIS SUBDIVISION HERE.
AND SO THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL, UM, REZONING TO I ONE, BUT THEY'VE NEVER TRANSITIONED TO INDUSTRIAL.
THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO BE RESIDENTIAL FOR THE PAST 30 PLUS YEARS.
AND THE APPLICANT CAN, CAN BETTER SPEAK TO THE CHALLENGES THAT HE HAS HAD WORKING WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO FACILITATE, UH, THE EXPANSION, UM, THAT OUR, THAT OUR, UH, ZONING CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN MAKES THIS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO WITHOUT A REZONING.
DO YOU KNOW THE EX IF THE EXPANSION THEY WANT TO DO IS TO THE HOME OR DO THEY WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER BUILDING? IT'S TO THE HOME TO FACIL MY IMPRESSION TO THE HOME, IT'S TO THE HOME.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR. JEFFRIES.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, AARON, THE BEING THAT IT'S ZONED INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW, CHANGING IT TO RESIDENTIAL ACTUALLY WILL PROTECT ALL OF THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY FROM HAVING AN INDUSTRIAL BU BUSINESS COME IN THERE AND BUY IT AND BE UP AGAINST THOSE HAT BECAUSE ALL THOSE OTHER HOUSES ARE UP AGAINST AN INDUSTRIAL LOT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YEAH'S? CORRECT.
THIS WOULD GUARD ALL OF THOSE OTHER HOUSES FROM MM-HMM.
YES, SHE DOES PROVIDE MORE PROTECTION TO THOSE EXISTING HOME OWNERS AROUND THE, THE PERIMETER AS WELL.
YEAH, I FAILED TO MENTION THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION.
YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, UM, THAT USED TO BELONG TO A MR. ORM, I DON'T KNOW HIS FIRST NAME.
MR. ORM WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY OWNERS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
HE HAD A FARM THAT STRETCHED TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST, FAIRLY GOOD FARMING AND ANYWAY, AND HE WAS GETTING OLDER AND HE SOLD TO, UM, CHARLES HEBERT.
AND, UM, SO THAT IS A LOG CABIN.
IT'S BEEN SIDED WITH, UM, QUOTE MODERN, UM, QUOTE SIDING.
BUT IF YOU TURN OUT, IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE SIDING, IT'S A LOG CABIN.
UM, I, I INVESTIGATED A LITTLE INTO WHETHER IT HAD HISTORICAL VALUE AND APPARENTLY THE STANDARD FOR HISTORICAL VALUE IS QUITE HIGH.
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DANIEL BOONE HAS TO HAVE SHOT A BEER HUNT'S LAND.WE'RE STILL, OR STILL LIVE THERE,
UM, BUT ANYWAY, AS FAR AS WHY THERE'S A NEW, NEW GARAGE, I ASSUMED THAT MR. ORM AT ONE POINT WANTED TO HAVE A NEW GARAGE.
THE, HE, I THINK THAT GARAGE WAS THERE BEFORE HE DIED.
UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GETTING HARD, IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR ME TO CARRY LAUNDRY DOWNSTAIRS, AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LAUNDRY FACILITY UPSTAIRS OFF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUE IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HE NEEDS TO SIGN IN.
COULD YOU SIGN IN, SIR? ON THE SHEET PROVIDED? OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE IN HEARING? NO ONE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU GOOD? UH, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. VAGO? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. FARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? SO THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE GO TO, UH, CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR, UH, REVIEW AND, UH, END DECISION.
UM, I'LL BE IN TOUCH AS TO WHAT DATE THAT IS, BUT IT'LL BE MID, UH, MID-JANUARY.
UH, DO I NEED TO APPEAR BEFORE THEN? UH, YOU DO NOT NEED TO APPEAR, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME, PLEASE DO HERE.
NEXT ITEM, UH, AN ADDITIONAL BUSINESS IS THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
UM, SEEING HOW WE ARE SHORT A COUPLE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE POSTPONE THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
UH, DOES THAT WHY FEBRUARY NOT JANUARY? OH, I'M SORRY.
JANUARY, BECAUSE I LOST LIKE THAT.
UM, DO WE HAVE A DATE? WHAT IS THAT DATE? JANUARY 10TH.
SO JANUARY 10TH, UH, WE WILL VOTE FOR ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
UH, NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL MINUTES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOVEMBER 8TH MINUTES ARE, UH, FOR, UH, APPROVAL HEARING NO OBJECTIONS.
WE WILL APPROVE THOSE AND MOVE ON TO REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW, UH, APPROVAL OF OUR 2023 MEETING SCHEDULE.
MR. CRELL? YEAH, SO I SENT AN EMAIL OUT, UM, THAT HAD A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWED, UH, THAT JERRY PUT TOGETHER THAT SHOWS, UM, WE ARE ONE OF ONLY THREE JURISDICTIONS IN THE REGION THAT MEET, UH, SEMI-MONTHLY.
UH, AND I AM REQUESTING THAT WE MOVE TO ONE MEETING A MONTH, BEGINNING IN APRIL.
UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S ONE PROJECT THAT I THINK NEEDS THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE TWO A MONTH TO MEET SOME OF THEIR FINANCING NEEDS.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY THE, THE REPLAT FOR THE, UM, THE, UH, THE SENIOR APARTMENTS AND THE APARTMENTS BEHIND THE LIBRARY.
WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT, UM, PROPERTY DETAILS, UM, BUT WE SHOULD BE BRINGING THAT REPLAT TO YOU PRETTY SOON.
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OTHERWISE MOVING TO ONE, UH, STAFF MEETING A MONTH WILL ALLOW US LONGER TIME, MORE OPPORTUNITY AND LONGER, UH, TIME TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS SO THAT WHAT WE BRING TO YOU IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, BETTER BAKED.UM, AND SOME OF THE DETAILS FLESHED OUT ALSO ALLOWS US TO FOCUS ON SOME LONGER TERM PLANNING, UH, ISSUES RATHER THAN BASICALLY RESPONDING TO, UM, CASES EVERY TWO WEEKS.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON OR IS THIS JUST A, A MOVE? YOU'RE JUST, UH, UH, IF YOU ADOPT THAT CALENDAR, THEN WE ARE GOOD TO GO.
ALL IN FAVOR? I MEAN, WHAT DO WE, WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS SCHEDULE HERE.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED? UH, UH, MADE BY MR. JEFFRIES IS, OR SECOND MS. FARGO SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE RULE.
IT PASSES THREE TO ZERO THAT WE WILL ADOPT OUR NEW SCHEDULE.
SO THE ONE MEETING A MONTH WILL BEGIN IN APRIL.
ONE MONTH WILL BEGIN IN APRIL ON THE 11TH.
UPCOMING MEETINGS, REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW, WHATEVER ELSE YOU MIGHT WANT TO THROW IN.
YEAH, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PENDING APPLICATIONS AT THE MOMENT.
THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW, UM, OR THAT I'M WAITING ON IS THE, UM, THE PLATS OR THE, THE, THE FINAL PLATS FOR, UM, THE, THE SENIOR FACILITY AND IN DOG TOWN AND, AND ALL OF THAT AREA BEHIND THE UP, UH, LIBRARY.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, WE'RE TALKING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, SO I EXPECT THE, THAT THERE WILL BE APPLICATIONS THAT START TO COME IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS IN HAND, NOTHING YET.
ARE YOU TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD OR, OR TROY PIKE?
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONVENIENCE STORES THAT ARE, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN CHATTING WITH US.
UM, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS ANNEXATION WAS JUST APPROVED BY MIAMI COUNTY, SO I AN ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN THE FIRST QUARTER, KIND OF THE NEXT, UH, PHASES OF THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOTHING CONCRETE YET.
WHAT? WHAT WAS DISAPPROVED WAS APPROVED BY, BY MIAMI COUNTY, THE ANNEXATION OF 400 AND SOME ODD ACRES WAS DISAPPROVED.
WELL, YEAH, IT WAS, BUT THEN THEY, THEY EVENTUALLY APPROVED IT.
OH, THEY DID APPROVE IT, YEAH.
SO WE HAVE 400 ACRES TO WORK WITH.
WILL THERE BE A GOLF COURSE? I DO NOT KNOW.
SO, UH, OTHERWISE THERE, UM, LIKE I SAID, NOTHING PENDING.
UM, BUT I ANTICIPATE WE WILL, WE'LL START TO SEE, UH, APPLICATIONS TRICKLE IN FIRST OF THE YEAR.
UH, CURIOSITY QUESTION ABOUT OUR CONVENIENCE STORE, RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF US, RIGHT TO THE EAST OF US MM-HMM.
IT SEEMS TO BE AT A STANDSTILL.
IS THERE WHICH ONE? THE ONE RIGHT NEXT ON TAYLORSVILLE.
SO, UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE DOING EXCAVATION WORK.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY CHALLENGES THAT THEY'VE HAD OKAY.
YEAH, I JUST WONDERED IF IT WAS SOMETHING MAJOR.
NO, I THINK THEY NEEDED TO MAKE SOME, UH, THEY NEEDED TO MAKE SOME, UH, SEWER LINE CONNECTIONS, UH, AND THEY NEEDED THE COOPERATION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THAT THEY NEEDED TO, UH, TO GET IN ORDER TO, TO MAKE, UH, UTILITY CONNECTION.
I THINK THAT'S ALL BEEN WORKED OUT, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY ISSUES, UM, AT ALL.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIGGING FOOTERS AT THE MOMENT, SO, YEAH.
AND WHAT ABOUT OLD TROY PIKE? ALL, ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION.
WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? I, I DON'T GO THERE OVER THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING, WHAT, HOW FAR ALONG THEY ARE.
YEAH, SO THE APARTMENTS IN THE BACK, UM, WE, I SPOKE WITH THEM, UH, A MONTH AGO OR SO.
THEY ARE TARGETING, UH, APRIL, MAY TO START LEASING.
SO THEY ARE BUILDING, BUILDING THOSE? YEP.
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THEY'VE HAD CHALLENGES WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.UM, THE FIRST MULTI-TENANT BUILDING IS, UM, OUTTA THE GROUND.
UM, I, AN WE JUST GOT FINAL PLANS FOR THE SHEETS, UM, FOR THEM TO, UH, TO BE APPROVED.
UM, DISCOUNT TIRE SEEMS TO HAVE GONE QUIET.
UM, BUT THE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM IS WE REALIZED THAT THERE WAS NOT A SIDEWALK CONNECTION BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND OLD TROY PIKE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTING A SIDEWALK, UH, ON THE VACATING.
WE, WE BROUGHT, YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, JIM HAS A BACK, GO AHEAD.
WELL, IT'S DOWN BEING ADDRESSED
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE WORKING, UH, TO GET THAT ADDRESSED BECAUSE I, WE, AS YOU PROBABLY BROUGHT UP, WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE PUSHING STROLLERS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
SO YOU SAID IT NEEDED CONNECTED TO ALL OF THE STUFF.
HOW DID WE MISS THAT? WE DIDN'T, WE, WE COVERED THAT WHEN SCOTT WAS HERE.
THAT WAS, WELL, HOW DID IT GET OUT THEN IF WE COVERED IT? SO IT'S NEVER IN APPROVED DRAWINGS.
I SAID IT WAS NEVER IN THE APPROVED DRAWINGS THAT I SAW.
SO, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS ADDED WHEN THE MOTION FAILED AND THEN WE RECONSIDERED.
WELL, IT'S, THERE NOW ISN'T ON THERE.
UM, AS PART OF THE WIDENING OF OLD TROY PIKE, WE'RE ALSO RELOCATING THE BUS STOP TO THE NEW INTERSECTION SO THAT SIDEWALK WILL EN WILL CONNECT WITH THE BUS SHELTER AND KIND OF BRING THAT ALL TOGETHER.
AND WHEN WILL THAT WIDENING START? IT'S QUITE A WHILE.
SO, SO THE WIDENING FOR BROAD REACHES IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW.
UM, THEY'VE MOVED ALL THE UTILITIES AND ALL THAT'S GOING ON.
WE ARE DESIGNING OUR PORTION AT THE MOMENT, SO, OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND PLEASE BE A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE CITY FOR, UM, A, A, A VERY GOOD AGAIN, UH, DAY AT DOWN AT SINCLAIR.
THE CLASSES THAT I ATTENDED WERE, WERE, UM, VERY HELPFUL.
IN FACT, UH, ONE OF THEM WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT THE YOUNG MAN FROM BELL, FOUNTAIN, OHIO ARE, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HIS STORY AND, AND ALL THAT? MY GOODNESS.
IN FIVE YEARS, THEY HAVE MADE THAT INTO A TOWN.
IT'S, AND, AND IT WAS JUST AMAZING THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
SO, UM, THERE IS, UM, WE ARE CONSIDERING PUTTING TOGETHER A BUS TOUR FOR INTERESTED MEMBERS OF, OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
SO, WHICH YOU ARE ALL NOW MEMBERS SINCE YOU'RE PART OF APA, TO GO UP AND GET A, A MORE DETAILED LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING.
REALLY? OH, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
I THINK I STILL HAVE HIS CARD.