[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road October 11, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION DOORS.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JEFFRIES? HERE, MS. OFF HERE.
MS. WALTON HERE GREETS EVERYONE.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIAS.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THIS IS THE, UH, POINT ON THE AGENDA WHERE, UH, CITIZENS COMMENTS, THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK, EXCUSE ME, OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO, TO STAND AND RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND, RESPOND ID TO THE FOLLOWING OATH.
DO YOU HEAR TO DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ONE THREAT OR PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO HOPE YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
I ALSO ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHEN THEY APPROACH THE, UH, STAND THERE TO GIVE THEIR NAME AND, UH, SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET.
PROVIDED WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS, OUR FIRST ITEM, A NEW BUSINESS, IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, JOHN ACK, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONVERT THE FORMER TRUCK PRO BUILDING INTO A TAP ROOM AND RESTAURANT.
THE APPLICANT PLANS AN ADDITIONAL AND ADDITION OF A BEER GARDEN IN A MINOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 66 0 2 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, MJC, DDP 2239.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON CRELL.
SO THE, UH, THE SITE HERE IS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE SITE.
THIS IS THE FORMER TRUCK PRO WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION AND, AND RETAIL FACILITY.
THE EX SURROUNDING ZONING IS I LARGELY I ONE TO THE WEST, UH, AND PLAN EMPLOYMENT PARK OR P P TO THE EAST.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK, WELL WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT, UM, IT'S FOUR AND A HALF ACRES ZONED PLANE.
UM, AS I SAID, IT IS THE FORMER TRUCK PRO SITE, WHICH WAS LARGELY WAREHOUSE AND THEN RETAIL SALES OUT OUT THE FRONT.
UM, DOING THIS AS A MAJOR CHANGE, THIS PROCESS DOESN'T FIT WELL WITH, UH, WITH THE PLAN EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THAT IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK DESIGNED FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, BUT I THINK THE MAJOR CHANGE IS THE, IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THERE ARE JUST MINOR EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS.
THE BUILDING IS BEING RE UH, REUSED.
AND THEN THERE THE LARGEST IMPROVEMENT IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, UH, OUTDOOR BEER GARDEN, UH, TO THE EAST.
SO THIS IS A RENDERING, UH, THIS IS THE FRONT SIDE.
UH, THE, THE BEER GARDEN WILL BE TO THE EAST.
UH, THE ROSE IS, IS REALLY RIGHT HERE OFF OF, OFF OF THE PAGE.
UM, THE INTERIOR PROGRAMMING, THE FRONT WILL BE THE TAP ROOM IN RESTAURANT.
UM, THERE IS SEATING FOR APPROXIMATELY 136 INDIVIDUALS, UM, BOTH IN THE RESTAURANT AND, UH, ON THE PATIO.
UH, THE TWO THIRDS OF THE BUILDING IS DEDICATED THEN TO THE SUPPORT, UM, SYSTEMS, THE, THE KITCHEN, THE PILOT BREWING SYSTEM, UH, AND THEN THE REST IS WAREHOUSE IN, IN LAR WILL PROBABLY BE USED FOR DISTRIBUTION, UM, OF THEIR PRODUCT.
UH, IN, IN NEARBY RESTAURANTS.
UM, AS FAR AS SIGNAGE, UH, THERE ARE FOUR WALL SIGNS.
UH, THE LARGE BRANDED, UH, WARPED WING WHERE IT GETS ITS NAME, THE ENTRY, UM, SIGN OVER THE, THE NEW FRONT DOORS, UH, AND THEN, UM, WARPED WING.
AND THEN THERE ARE PHRASE, UH, SHARE OF PINT, UM, ON THE, UH, ON THE EAST EDGE OF THE BUILDING.
THE REAR OF THE BUILDING DOESN'T CHANGE.
IT'S, UH, SO I DON'T HAVE THEM UP HERE.
IT'S, THERE'S BASICALLY A, A LOADING DOCK DOOR, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT.
UM, THE SITE PLAN, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS A NEW PATIO.
SO THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE CUTTING OUT, UM, THE EXISTING ASPHALT AND CONSTRUCTING AN OUTDOOR, UH, BEER GARDEN PATIO.
UH, RE STRIPING THE, UH, THE LOT HERE TO ADD THESE, UH, PARKING SPACES AND THEN PARKING SPACES IN THE REAR.
UH, OTHERWISE, UH, THE SITE IS LARGELY UNCHANGED.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A SIDEWALK BE CONSTRUCTED TO, UM,
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LINK THE SIDEWALK HERE THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE ROSE ACROSS THE FRONT OF, OF THE SITE.WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF PROPOSALS.
WELL, YOU'VE SEEN AT LEAST ONE, UM, WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS AREA.
I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO START TO, UH, MAKE SURE WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT, THAT PEDESTRIAN, UM, CONNECTIVITY, ESPECIALLY TO, UH, THIS SITE, WHICH WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A YEAR ROUND DRAW.
SO AS FAR AS THE OVERALL PROJECT, UM, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS 12,300 AND SQUARE 12, EXCUSE ME, 12,300 SQUARE FEET.
I MENTIONED THERE ARE MINOR FACADE CHANGES INCLUDING PAINTING, AND THEN A NEW FRONT ENTRANCE.
UH, THE TAP ROOM ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 3,700 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE OUTDOOR BEER GARDEN IS ROUGHLY 40, UH, ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST THIRD IS 4,700 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION, UM, FACILITY.
AND THE USES ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED, UM, BOTH THE RESTAURANT WAREHOUSE AND RETAILER PERMITTED USES IN THE PLAN EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UM, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT DETAILS OR DEVELOPMENT CHANGES, I'M ONLY GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT, BECAUSE WE'RE REUSING, IS THIS AN EXISTING BUILDING? WHAT, UM, WHAT WILL BE IMPROVED AS FAR AS PARKING AND LOADING? UM, THE PLAN INDICATES THERE ARE 90 SPACES, 78 ARE REQUIRED.
UM, THAT IS, UM, BASED ON 136 SEATS, UH, FOR THE RESTAURANT IN PATTY.
UH, WELL INSIDE 136, UH, SEATS, UH, I TYPICALLY DON'T COUNT, UM, THE BEER GARDEN OR THE OUTDOOR SEATING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S RATHER SEASONAL.
UM, AND WE, I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PLANNING FOR THAT MUCH, UH, PARKING.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE EMPLOYEES ON THE LARGEST SHIFT, UM, IN SPEAKING WITH, UH, WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT, THEY EXPECT, UH, ABOUT 10, UH, EMPLOYEES OR 10 SPACES WOULD BE, WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THERE'S ABOUT 20 EMPLOYEES, UH, AT THEIR BUSIEST SHIFT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 10 SPACES.
SO ALL IN ALL 78 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
UH, THERE ARE 90 HERE, PLUS ANOTHER THOUSAND JUST TO THE, UH, IMMEDIATE, UH, EAST OF THE SITE.
UM, I AM SUGGESTING THAT, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS BE THAT WE REPLACE THE MISSING PARKING LOT TREES THAT HAVE, WELL, PROBABLY THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, BUT, UH, ARE NO LONGER.
SO THERE ARE THREE ISLANDS THAT ARE MISSING TREES HERE, HERE, AND HERE.
UH, AND I SUGGEST THAT THOSE BE REPLACED, UM, PER CODE.
AS FAR AS SIGNS THERE, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO REUSE THE EXISTING GROUND SIGN THAT'S, UH, IN THE FRONT, UH, AT EXECUTIVE.
THERE'S ALSO A PYLON SIGN, UH, ALONG 70 THAT WILL BE REUSED.
UM, AS FAR AS BUILDING SIGNS, THERE ARE FOUR PROPOSED WALL SIGNS TOTALING 176 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS A PLAN DISTRICT, SO A PLANNING COMMISSION HAS WIDE LATITUDE, UH, ON THE SIGNAGE.
UH, AS FAR AS SIZE, SIGN SIZE, THE LARGEST SIGN IS THE PAINTED WING, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 92 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO THE SIGN COACH SUGGESTS THAT, UM, THE LARGEST WALL SIGN WOULD BE 75 SQUARE FEET.
UH, NOT TO EXCEED AN AGGREGATE OF 150 SQUARE FEET.
STAFF IS FINE WITH, WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
THE BUILDINGS SET BACK PRETTY FAR.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, HAS GREAT LATITUDE IN APPROVING, UM, THE, THE SIGNAGE.
SO AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION, UM, THESE USES ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENT AND STAFF'S OPINION IS A GOOD REUSE OF THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UH, I THINK THE ADDITION OF A TAP ROOM RESTAURANT AND BEER GARDEN ENHANCES THIS BURGEONING, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND ADDS YET ANOTHER DESTINATION, UH, IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE DE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THESE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACED THE MISSING PARKING LOT TREES.
UM, THE THIRD ONE IS THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCTED SIDEWALK ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD THAT CONNECTS TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THE SECOND CONDITION IS I'M, WHETHER IT HAPPENS EARLY ON OR LATER, UH, I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE DESIRE PASS THAT GET, UM, THAT GET RUDDED
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BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THEIR, UH, THEIR FACILITY, ESPECIALLY IF DEMAND IS, IS GREAT.SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WALKWAY BUILT BETWEEN THE TWO IF POSSIBLE.
UH, WHETHER IT HAPPENS DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION SEASON OR THE NEXT, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE'LL SEE JUST NATURAL PATHWAYS THAT ARE FORMED AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONCRETE SHOULD GO.
OTHERWISE THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR JUST TO BE A MUDDY MESS.
ABOUT HALF OF THIS PROPERTY IS ON, IS THE CITY'S OWN PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEN ABOUT ABOUT 10 FEET IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
WE'LL GIVE THE APPLICANT AN EASEMENT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THAT AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW.
I THINK WE'LL NEED TO SEE WHERE, HOW PEOPLE TRAS THROUGH, BUT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WANT TOURE THE WHOLE EXPENSE OF GOING ON ONTO THE CITY PROPERTY ALSO? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD WORK OUT WITH THE CITY? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK OUT TOGETHER.
IT'S ONLY, I DON'T KNOW, 20 FEET.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE CLOSER DOWN HERE OR UP HERE, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF.
CAUSE IT'S UNLIKELY THAT FOLKS ARE GONNA WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND.
MR. JEFFRIES? YEAH, JUST THE ONE, UM, OR SAID NO DUMPSTERS ARE ILLUSTRATED, BUT THEY'LL COMPLY WITH THE ZONING CODE AND REQUIREMENTS.
DOES THAT INCLUDE ENCLOSURES THEN? YEAH, SO ON THE SITE PLAN, THEY HAVE A LARGE MECHANICAL ENCLOSURE.
I AM ASSUMING THAT THE, THAT THE DUMPSTER WILL BE HERE BASED ON THE WAY THE, THE SWING DOORS LOOK.
BUT REGARDLESS, THEY WILL NEED TO MEET CODE IF THEY BUILD A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
CODE WOULD REQUIRE AN ENCLOSURE? IT WILL, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WILL THERE, I'M SORRY.
WILL THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING OUTSIDE OF JUST THE TREES THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING? THERE'S NONE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY NOT MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK THAT THE SITE, LET ME GO BACK TO THE AERIAL.
WELL, WE GOT A BETTER SITE THERE.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW, I MEAN IT, FOR THE MOST PART IT'S PRETTY ATTRACTIVE.
UM, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE BED AROUND THE GROUND SIGN.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT ARE THESE PARKING LOT TREES THERE.
WE'VE ASKED THEM TO CLEAR AND AND CLEAN OUT THIS, UH, THERE'S A CATCH BASIN BACK IN HERE.
IT'S REALLY OVERGROWN AND KIND OF DISHEVELED.
THEY'RE GONNA CLEAN THAT UP AND IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THAT, BUT IT'S A REALLY DEEP LOT.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
I JUST TO THINK IF WE PUT IT HERE, IT'S GONNA GET TRAMPLED ON.
UM, AND SO LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, ADDING THESE THREE TREES, I, I THINK, WELL, WE, WE THOUGHT WAS SUFFICIENT.
THE, UH, THE TREES TO THE WEST, IS THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY OR THE, UH, THEY ARE.
YEAH, THE, THE, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE KIND OF CUTS BASICALLY.
WHERE THIS WHERE THE PICTURE ED? YEAH.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
YEAH, I KNOW YOU JUST SAID ON THE EASTERN EDGE, IF THEY LANDSCAPE, YOU THINK THEY'D GET TRAMPLED ON, BUT WHAT IF WE DID THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WALK PATH TO KIND OF DIVERT TRAFFIC TO IT? WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT A LANDSCAPE PLAN, JUST SIMPLE HEDGING OR SOMETHING TO DIVERT PEOPLE TO THE CONCRETE PATH? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
UM, LET'S LET, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS, LET'S SEE HOW IT, SEE WHAT THE NATURAL PATH IS FIRST.
THE NATURAL PATHWAYS THAT PEOPLE TAKE FROM THE ROSE PARKING LOT TO, TO HERE.
CAUSE I'D HATE FOR IT US TO INVEST A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEN, SURE, NO, I'D BE IN THE WRONG PLACE AND BE IN THE WRONG PLACE.
HOW WOULD WE WRITE THAT UP? YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
UM, SO I THINK ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THE APPLICANT SHOW, UH, I WOULD JUST SAY WITHIN 24 MONTHS THE APPLICANT SHOW.
SO AT LEAST GIVE IT THROUGH ALL NEXT SEASON TO SEE.
AND IF NOBODY WALKS THROUGH, THEN, THEN GREAT.
WELL YOU'RE, I WOULD, YEAH, I THINK SO.
CUZ YOU DO WE HAVE, I'LL HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT
WE HAVE IT FROM THE ROSE TO TEXAS ROADHOUSE AND WALK THROUGH THE FIELD OR YEAH.
JUMPS SKY ROCK, APPARENTLY I HAVE TEXAS ROADHOUSE.
MISS BARGO, YOU SAID THE, THE LOT IS RATHER DEEP.
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YEAH.AND HOW FAR PAST THOSE TREES DOES IT GO? UH, I WOULD SAY ANOTHER 200.
YEAH, I THINK TO THE INTERSTATE.
IT, IT'S, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY, WHICH I THINK IS ABOUT 200 FEET.
UH, SO THAT'S GONNA BE JUST THE OVERGROWN BRUSH THAT'S THERE.
SO, SO THIS PART WILL GET CLEANED UP, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY BACK.
I THINK THAT LONG TERM PLANS COULD BE FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING TO THE REAR, DEPENDING ON HOW WELL THE SITE DOES SO WE'LL, YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT DOES WELL AND THEY'LL BE BACK FOR AN EXPANSION CUZ THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM, THERE'S SOME GRADE CHANGES IN THE BACK THAT, THAT DO PROVIDE SOME CHALLENGING, UH, SOME CHALLENGES ON HOW TO DEVELOP IT.
BUT AS FAR AS WHAT MOST PEOPLE WILL SEE, UM, THIS WILL GET CLEANED UP AND, AND, AND THAT OVERGROWTH KIND OF CAN TRIMMED UP.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO STOP, UH, YES AND IN THIS IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE 136 PATRONS PLUS THE 20 STAFF.
BUT YET IN THE DRAWINGS, THE SEATING UH, LAYS OUT ABOUT 175 SEATS AND IN THE OUTSIDE WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED AND ALMOST 140.
SO WHAT'S, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME?
AND THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING AND YOU COUNT THEM, IT COMES UP TO 175 WHEN YOU COUNT IN THE BAR STOOLS TO THEN I THEN THIS IS 136, MY CALCULATION IS RIGHT.
I THINK I I CUZ I WENT THROUGH IT.
UM, I MUST HAVE PUT THE WRONG NUMBER IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THE TWO TOGETHER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 300 PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING 90 PARKING SPOTS FOR UM, A MUCH SMALLER PLAN.
AND I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT QUESTION.
SO THE CODE DOESN'T, UM, CODE IS REALLY SILENT ON OUTDOOR SEATING.
UM, THE BEST PRACTICE IS REALLY NOT TO COUNT OUTDOOR SEATING FOR PARKING PER REASONS BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY ONLY A THREE TO FOUR MONTH OUTDOOR SEATING, UM, ENVIRONMENT.
UM, BUT I THINK THE 68 INDOOR SPACES, OR GIVE OR TAKE IS, IS CORRECT FOR THE AMOUNT OF, OF SEATING THAT'S IN HERE? YEAH, CUZ THERE'S A, BY THE DRAWING THAT'S WITHOUT THE BAR STOOLS, IT'S 160.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE 80, 80 SPACES.
UM, THAT JUST BRINGS TO MIND A QUESTION.
OF COURSE THERE'S A LARGE PARKING LOT AT THE ROSE MM-HMM.
I KNOW, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHERE ARE THE EMPLOYEES GONNA PARK
UH, OUR HOPE IS THAT, THAT WE CONTINUE TO, TO USE THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MY VIEW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKING TENDS TO JUST SORT ITSELF OUT.
UM, THE ROSE IS ONLY PROGRAMMED 39 TIMES A YEAR.
UM, SO I WOULD HATE TO ADD EVEN MORE PARKING WHEN IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
UM, IN THE, I THINK THE MOST RECENT, UH, PLANNING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE BOOKLET OR ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, IT SAYS THAT NATIONWIDE THAT PLANNERS ARE LOOKING AT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF, OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UH, HAVE WE, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT AT ALL OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT COULD COME UP IN THE FUTURE? SO IT WILL BE MAR IT WILL BE PART OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO DRASTICALLY CUT DOWN ON THE PARKING RATIO THAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
I'M NOT SURE THAT, UM, THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THE ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU
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KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WALMARTS, THE, THE LOWS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOVIE THEATER, MOVIE THEATER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF LAND THAT IS OUT OF PRODUCTIVE USE.UM, THAT, THAT CUTS DOWN ON TAX REVENUE, IT CUTS DOWN ON JOB CREATION.
AND I THINK IT, AND, AND IT ADDS TO, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER ISSUES AND, AND WE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A WASTE.
UM, SO I, MY VIEW IS THAT THE CODE AS WRITTEN REQUIRES MORE PARKING THAN IS NECESSARY.
UM, AND SO YEAH, IT COULD BE PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO CUT SOME OF THESE USES DRAMATICALLY.
I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
I THINK IT WAS A MR. JEFFRIES AARON, WHERE THE EXTENSION IS AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE LOT THAT'S GONNA BE CLEARED IF WE RAN INTO A PARKING ISSUE, SAY THE EMPLOYEE PARKING OVERFLOW, I MEAN WE COULD, WE COULD GRAB A LOT BACK THERE PRETTY REASONABLY QUICK IF WE HAD TO, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF WE REALLY CAME INTO AN ISSUE, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY COME OFF OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
AND COME HEAD OVER THIS, OVER THIS WAY.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
MM-HMM
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
I'M JOHN COPPLE, CHECK WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO TO ADD TO THAT.
UM, SIMPLY THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, I KNOW THAT WAR POINT IS HAPPY FOR THEIR EXPANSION INTO HEBREW.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, I WILL DO MY BEST TO TO ANSWER THOSE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE AC MR. BAR? WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE HAVE THREE HERE IN FRONT OF US.
ARE THOSE THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS OWNING CASE?
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, THE, THE SIGN, THE WORK WING SIGN ITSELF BEING A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN WHAT SHOULD BE.
UH, DO WE NEED TO ADD A NUMBER FOUR THERE FOR THE 24 MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS? SO WHAT YOU WANTED TO, UH, ALLOT THEM FOR? I, I WOULD JUST AMEND THE NUMBER TWO TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT A PEDESTRIAN PASSED AWAY WITHIN 24 MONTHS THAT CONNECTS THE ROSE PARKING LOT.
AND MY QUESTION WAS, DO WE NEED TO ADD A NUMBER FOUR TO A ADDRESS THE CLEANING OUT OF THE BRUSH? YOU SAY THEY'VE AGREED TO DO IT? YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY SENT THAT.
UH, THE ENGINEER WEIGHED IN ON THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY SENT THE COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, WE CAN ADD IT, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I, THERE'S NOTHING TO ME THAT SUGGESTS THEY WON'T DO IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LARGE SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING CUZ THAT'S ALL.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT SIGN? MM-HMM.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? JOHN COPPLE? CHECK FOR APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONVERT THE FORMER TRUCK PRO BUILDING INTO A TAP ROOM AND RESTAURANT, THE ADDITION OF A BEER GARDEN AND MINOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS OF APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF, FOUR AND ONE HALF ACRES.
UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED 66 0 2 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE NJC DDP 22 DASH 39 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED OCTOBER 6TH, 2022 AND THE PLANNING COM, THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULE MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, NEXT STEPS FOR THE APPLICANT ARE TO REVISE THE, UH, AND SUBMIT THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, UH, TO US AND THEN WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ABOUT THE OTHER, UH, SHARED PARKING DISCUSSIONS OPEN BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
I KNOW YOU HAVE TWO COPIES HERE.
IT WAS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, UH, APPROVAL MINUTES WITHOUT
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OBJECTION.THE SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2022 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED.
AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. SORE? UM, YEAH, WE ARE WAITING TO GET, UH, REVISED, UH, INFORMATION AND PLANS, UH, FOR THAT TRUCK STOP FACILITY REPAIR FACILITY OFF OF A 2 35.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING YET, SO, UM, ASSUMING WE DO, THAT WILL BE, THAT'S THE ONLY CASE THAT WOULD BE ON FOR THE, THE 25TH.
ANYBODY GOT ANY PROBLEMS WITH ATTENDING ATTENDANCE? I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING.
NOVEMBER AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OUR ONLY MEETING ON IN NOVEMBER, CORRECT? THE EIGHTH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING MR. JEFFRIES? YEAH, I HAVE ONE FROM A, A CONVERSATION WE HAD, UH, WELL IT CAME UP IN THE PUBLIC EQUIPMENT PARK.
TALKED ABOUT MANY STORAGES, GARAGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE HAD TALKED BACK IN MARCH ABOUT REVIEWING THE STORAGE UNIT, UH, CAPABILITIES IN THE CITY AND LOOKING BACK AT IT, I MEAN THERE WAS NO MORATORIUM AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN MARCH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS GONNA BE TALKED ABOUT IN JUNE.
UM, BUT I KNOW LOOKING BACK IT'S SOMETHING THAT JAN HAD MADE A COMMENT BACK WHEN WE DID THE LARK SPUR STORAGE FACILITY OVER THERE AT THE DANBURY AND YOU HAD SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANTED THE DESIGN OR CHARACTER TO BE.
AND UNDER AT THAT TIME, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH CHOICE.
BUT IT TURNS OUT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND NOW, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLOWS FOR STORAGE UNITS WHERE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES REQUIRES INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
SO ANYWHERE IN RIGHT NOW IN HUBER THAT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL IS ELIGIBLE FOR THAT.
UM, AND I KNOW AARON AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER PLACES THAT DO IT IN MORE OF AN INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS HERE OR GET SOME FEEDBACK ON, ON WHAT THAT PROCESS, WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE IF WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THAT AARON? UM, WELL ONE WOULD BE TO DIRECT ME TO, TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO MOST, MOST MUNICIPALITIES, UH, ESPECIALLY KIND OF THE, THE DEAD STORAGE SPACE, LIKE COLD STORAGE OR, OR YOU KNOW, THE, THE SELF-SERVICE STORAGE, MOST OF THOSE ARE, ARE RELEGATED TO INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
UM, NOT YOUR COMMERCIAL WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GENERATE TRAFFIC AND, AND VIBRANCY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS, IS HOW THOSE USES ARE DISTRIBUTED AND PROBABLY PULL IT OUT OF THE B ONE BK PLAN COMMERCIAL AND, AND MOVE IT TO I ONE OR I TWO, WHY ONE AND I TWO.
SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME FROM US PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A TOPIC OR JUST THE DISCUSSION AMONGST US NOW? OR A MOTION, I GUESS WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE OR I GUESS OR IF THERE'S ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION AS WELL AROUND THAT IDEA? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, EVERY YEAR THERE'S A, THERE'S A POP, THERE'S A CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT GOES THROUGH AND SO EITHER WE CAN, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, WHICH I WILL, I'LL NEED TO TALK TO THE CLERK CUZ I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS REALLY ENTAILS.
ALTERNATIVELY, UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY THE CODE, UH, CAN MAKE A ZONING TEXT RECOMMENDATION, UM, WHICH WOULD THEN GET FLOATED, UH, TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND, AND APPROVAL.
SO IF YOU WANT ME TO DRAFT, UM, YOU KNOW, A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THAT, I, I, I CERTAINLY AND, AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THE PROS AND THE CONS AND SUCH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF DRAFT YOU HAVE IN MIND, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THAT A DISCUSSION HERE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE SENDING IT TO COUNCIL.
YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE ON OUR NEXT MEETING IN DISTANCE? WE POSSIBLY ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM DISCUSS OR IS THAT PUSHING IT? UM, NO.
SO WHEN WE GET, WHEN, UH, THE 2 35 CASE COMES, UM, TO US, I CAN, WE WE'LL HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSION.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT, UH, THE STUFF SOON, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.
ALSO WITH THE IDEA OF THE STORAGE UNIT, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WRONG ON IT, UM, BUT THAT THE PORTABLE STORAGE UNITS TO BE PLACED ON THEIR PROPERTY WAS NOT ALLOWED.
AND I JUST, UM, I SEE IT HAPPENING AND I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THAT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS THAT ARE BASICALLY SORT
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OF, UH, AD HOC STORAGE? WELL, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY, UM, U-HAUL DOWN THERE ON, UH, CHAMBERSBURG AND, AND UH, BRENT PIKE, THEY OUT FRONT, THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN LIKE PORTABLE BUILDINGS AND HAVE PUT THEM DOWN.THEY WERE LIKE PREFAB ROLL OFFS.
WHAT ARE THEY? ROLL OFFS, ROLL OFFS.
UM, LET ME GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT CUZ I HAVEN'T, NOTHING IN THE CODE JUMPS OUT AT ME AS EITHER PERMITTED OR PROHIBITED.
SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME RESEARCH THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU THE WRONG ANSWER.
HAVE I GOT ANYTHING ELSE? WE ARE ADJOURNED.
I LOVED YOUR USE OF THE WISDOM.