[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road September 27, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
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FOR CALLING, MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JEFFRIES? HERE.
AND MS. OPS ABSENCE IS EXCUSED.
I HAVE AN OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIAS IN HEARING NONE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
MOVE ON TO SWEARING WITNESSES AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RE AND RESPOND.
I DO TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEAR, DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO, HOPE YOU GOT, DO PLEASE BE SEATED.
AND WHEN WISHING TO, UH, SPEAK TONIGHT, WHICH COME TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, GIVE THEIR NAME AND, UH, SIGN IN ON THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AT THE TIME THEY ARRIVE.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANTS SIGNED DYNAMICS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR, A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNS FOR THE NEW REPLACEMENT MONUMENT.
RE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 75 0 5 TAYLORVILLE ROAD, PMC 2237.
MR. CRELL, UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON CRELL.
UM, THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE REQUESTED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING, UH, WOOD GROUND SIGN WITH A, UH, MONUMENTS BRICK MONUMENT SIGN WITH, UM, ELECTRONIC MESSAGING CENTER.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHERE THE EXISTING, UH, SIGN IS.
THE EM, THE MONUMENT SIGN WITH AN EMC WILL BE LOCATED APPROX, BASICALLY JUST TO THE RIGHT OF, OF THE EXISTING SIGN.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, A MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN CONFORMS TO THE ZONING CODE.
THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTER IS LESS THAN 50% OF THE SIGN AREA, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
UH, THE DIGITAL AREA IS 25 INCHES TALL, UH, AND THE CODE SUGGESTS THAT THE LETTERING SHOULD BE NO, UH, LARGER THAN 18 INCHES TALL.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS WIDE LATITUDE IN APPROVING, UM, SIGNAGE IN THE PLAN DISTRICTS.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, THE SIGN, UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET TALL.
UM, THERE IS A BRICK PEDESTAL ALONG WITH THE ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTER AT THE BOTTOM, AND THEN A, UH, A INTERNALLY LIT CABINET SIGN ABOVE, UM, WITH THE SULFUR GROUP CHURCH STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, THE MINOR CHANGE AS SUBMITTED.
UM, AGAIN, YOU HAVE GREAT FLEXIBILITY IN REVIEWING APPROVING SIGN PACKAGES WITHIN THE PLAN DISTRICT.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? JUST THE ONE AND THE LETTER, THOSE SUBMITTED.
SO THEY'RE ALSO CONSIDERING MOVING THE SIGN FARTHER FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL IN THAT LOCATION ON THE DRAWING.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR TALK ABOUT HERE AT ALL? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MATTERS THERE, THE NEIGHBOR THROUGH EASTER OR EVEN FURTHER OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING AREA.
I DON'T SEE THE, THE WAY THE SIGN IS GONNA BE ORIENTED, I DON'T SEE IT IMPACTING THEM.
I WAS GOING OFF OF THEIR LETTER ABOUT A REQUEST.
SO MAY I SPEAK TO, IF YOU LIKE OH, GO UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
OPEN IT UP TO THE, UH, PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
IS THERE ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO.
I'M RYAN BERGER, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF, UH, SUER GROVE CHURCH AS ONE OF THE TRUSTEES.
UH, I ALSO DRAFTED THE LETTER, UH, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.
UM, ALL I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE COMMENT IN THERE IS THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN PURSUING A VARIANCE REQUEST, BUT WE HAVE NOT YET DONE SO ABOUT, UH, THE 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT THE SIGN WOULD ACTUALLY BE, BE MORE VISIBLE TO DRIVERS ON THE STREET IF IT WERE LOCATED CLOSER TO WHERE THE FLAG POLES ARE, UH, INSTEAD OF OVER KIND OF WHERE THAT WHITE SIGN IS.
UH, BUT AS I SAID, WE HAVE NOT PURSUED A VERY ANSWERED QUEST FOR THAT YET.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MS. VAGO REGARDING THIS? UH, WE TAKE CARE OF THAT YEARS SO
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THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR VARI.SHOULD WE APPROVE WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE WANTING? YES.
IF, UH, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, AMEND THE DECISION ORDER TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU PLACE SIGNED THEIR DESIRED LOCATION WITHIN THE, I FORGET EXACTLY THE TERMINOLOGY, WHAT THE LETTER SAYS, BUT HOW ARE YOU, HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO MAKING THAT DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY? UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.
WE JUST HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A AARON'S REQUEST FOR IT, BUT WE DO, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT.
AND HOW CLOSE DO YOU WANT IT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY? UM, I DON'T HAVE THE DRAWING IN FRONT OF ME, I GUESS.
DO YOU HAVE A, I MEAN, CLOSER TO THE STREET OR DOWN TO THE FLAG POLE? YEAH, THAT'S, I'VE HEARD.
DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT ON THE SAME PLANE, UM, PARALLEL TO THE STREET AS YOUR EXISTING WOOD SIGN IS? NO, WE WANT TO GO PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE CURRENT SIGN IS BEING PARALLEL TO THE STREET.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE IT AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY.
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ORIENTATION PERPENDICULAR VERSUS PARALLEL.
BUT WE DO, TO MAKE IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, IF YOU MOVE IT OVER CLOSER TO THE FLAG POLES, UM, WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO ENCROACH INTO THE SETBACK.
UM, YEAH, THIS, THIS DOESN'T HAVE, SO I THINK IF, IF PLANNING COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE, WE CAN REVIEW, UM, THAT SITE PLAN WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, OBVIOUSLY, UM, AND IN A FEW FEET BACK FROM THE, FROM THE SIDEWALK.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE NO ISSUES OF THE SIGN BEING PLACED WITHIN THE BUILDING SETBACK.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT BE MORE EFFICIENT TO DO IT ALL IN THE MORNING SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING.
AND YEAH, PRESENT MORE, MORE THINGS IF WE COULD TAKE THEIR ACCORDING TIME.
I WOULD SAY, UM, IF THE, UH, IF THE DECISION ORDER, IF YOU'RE SO AMENABLE TO IT, UM, THAT THE, UM, THE SIGN SHOULD BE, SHALL BE PLACED NO CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
GO AHEAD, MR. I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT LAND INTO, IN NORMAL APPROVALS, WE WOULD'VE DONE, WOULD WE HAVE DONE THESE IN THE PAST OR SAID NO, THAT'S TOO CLOSE IN THE PAST? UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT UTILITY PLACEMENTS PROBABLY, HONESTLY, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T.
IF IT WERE WITHIN 4, 5, 6 FEET, WE WOULDN'T BRING IT BACK.
UM, WE WOULD JUST SAY, THIS IS FINE.
BUT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY UTILITIES RUNNING UNDER THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, THAT, THAT WE MAY NEED TO EXCAVATE A LITTLE FURTHER BEYOND.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUE IF THE PLAN BOARD WANTS TO GIVE STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO JUST REVIEW THAT SITE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO ANY CLOSER.
I THINK FIVE FOOT BEHIND THE SIDEWALK GENERALLY IS PLENTY OF, UM, SPACE FOR ANY KIND OF UTILITY ACCESS THAT WE MAY NEED.
IF WE HAD TO, IF THERE HAPPENED TO BE SOME UNDER THE SIDEWALK.
IT'S RARE THAT THERE IS, BUT IT, IT OCCURS AND THAT SHOULD BE FAR ENOUGH OFF.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LINE OF SIGHT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN THE MIDDLE AND NOT J NOT WITHIN, LET'S SAY 20 FEET OF, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, DRIVEWAY MOUTH.
SO WOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE SULFUR GROVE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH SIGN NOW? OR THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE FLAG POLES? THAT'S FOR, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET FOR REFERENCE.
THE RIGHT OF WAY EXTENDS TO THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK THAT'S BEHIND THE BLACKTOP AREA THERE, NOT THE ONE THAT YOU SEE TO THE LEFT.
SO GRANTING WHAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED FOR US TO LET STAFF HANDLE IT, THAT WOULD, THAT SIDE WOULD NOT BE BROUGHT OUT ANY FURTHER AND SAY FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK THAT'S BEHIND THE ASPHALT? CORRECT.
UM, YEAH, IF YOU WOULD JUST STAY RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE YOU WOULD LIKE TO? GOING UP PEN, SIR.
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YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.HELLO, I'M JAMES STEWART WITH SIGN DYNAMICS, AND I AM THE, UH, PERMIT SPECIALIST, WHICH IS QUITE A TASK SOMETIMES.
THE, UM, TWO ISSUES I WANT TO DISCUSS IS, NUMBER ONE, ALONG WITH THIS SETBACK ISSUE IS THAT, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT, JUST IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH IS NOTED BACK SEVERAL FEET FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES ARE MUCH CLOSER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT EXASPERATED THE PROBLEM OF, UH, SIGN LOCATION.
SO THE, WE'RE GLAD THAT, UH, YOU'RE OPEN TO GIVING THEM SOME LEEWAY ON THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE SIZE ISSUE.
UM, MOSTLY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE WARNING THAT 25 IS CONSIDERED A SMALL SIGN NOWADAYS, UH, ON MOST CHURCHES WE PUT IN ARE 36 AND SOMETIMES EVEN LARGER, AND WE PUT IN AN AWFUL LOT OF CHURCHES.
AND SO 25 IS U IS THE BOTTOM LINE OF, UH, MOST OF 'EM WE PUT IN ARE LARGER THAN THAT, 30 INCHES OR 32 OR, AND ON.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME WARNING ABOUT THAT, 18 IS, AND WHEN WE READ THE CODE, WE WERE LOOKING AT, AT 18 AS LETTER SIZE, THIS CAME OUT OF, UH, CHANGEABLE SIGNS.
AND, UH, THEY LIMITED THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL LETTER ITSELF, NOT THE SIGN THAT WAS HOLDING THE LETTERS.
AND I THINK THAT GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THERE.
SO 25, YOU CAN STILL LIMIT THE SIZE BY SOME RULING.
MOST YOU'LL HAVE, UM, CONTROL OVER THE, UH, THE KNITS AND THE TIME OF DAY AND ALL OF THIS.
WE, UH, WE DO HAVE, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE A FORM THAT WE TAKE, UH, WHEN WE DO THE TRAINING FOR THESE FOLKS AND, UH, THAT FORM, THEY HAVE TO SIGN THAT THEY WILL NOT CHANGE CERTAIN PARAMETERS ON THERE.
THE, THE TIMING OF WHEN IT DIMS, HOW MUCH IT DIMS, UH, THE FACT THEY WILL NOT ADD ANIMATION TO MOVING PARTS.
AND, AND ALMOST EVERYONE DOESN'T WANT THE FLASHING IN BIRDS FLYING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE DO TO HELP PROTECT YOU.
UM, I AM PERSONALLY WORKING ON SOME SOFTWARE WHICH WOULD, UM, BE PUT IN INSTEAD OF THE COMPANY SOFTWARE THAT WE IS PROVIDED TO US AND, AND HAS VERY LIMITED, UH, UM, MOVEMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD, UH, RESTRICT YOU FROM BEING EVEN ABLE TO DO IT IF YOU COULD.
SO CURRENTLY THOUGH, YOU HAVE TO, UH, JUST RELY ON THE SIGNATURES AND THESE PEOPLE TO KIND OF KEEP AN EYE OUT ON IT.
AND ALL CHURCHES HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
UH, THE ONE NEXT TO MY HOUSE IS A VERY BRIGHT AT NIGHT, AND I'VE TOLD 'EM TWICE ABOUT IT, UH, BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY BLINDS YOU AT NIGHT, DRIVING UP THROUGH THERE.
IT'S LIKE A FLOOD LIGHT IN YOUR FACE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVEN'T.
SO WE AGREE WITH THE RULES AND THINGS, AND I JUST WANTED TO INFORM YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SIZE ISSUE THERE, THAT YOU MAY BE RUNNING INTO THIS A LITTLE MORE OFTEN.
AND TO, UH, CHECK THAT 18 INCH, I THINK IT'S FOR LETTERS, NOT FOR THE ACTUAL SIGN.
AND IT WAS WRITTEN FOR CHANGEABLE, MANUALLY CHANGEABLE SIGNS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME ABOUT THIS QUESTIONS? MS. FORGO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LETTERS WITHIN THE SIGN, RIGHT? IF THEY PROGRAM IT BE LIMITED TO 18 INCHES, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE STANDARD IS HIGHER THAN THAT? NO, NOT FOR, NOT FOR THE LETTERS, NO.
YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU, YOU WANT, AND THERE'S NO REAL STANDARD ON THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE TOTAL AREA THAT'S AVAILABLE TO PUT LETTERS.
SO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANNA STICK WITH THIS 18 INCH LIMIT ON LETTERS, IT WOULD BE IN THE PROGRAMMING, BUT THEY CAN'T PUT HUGE LETTERS OUT 25 INCH LETTERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY PHYSICALLY COULD.
SO THAT'S A PROGRAMMING ISSUE.
AND THAT'S, THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE BRIGHTNESS AND THE TIMING AND THE LACK OF MOVEMENT.
SO THE 18 INCHES IS THE SIZE OF THE LETTERS, WHATEVER THE PROGRAM, THE CODE READS THAT THE LETTER SHOULD BE 18 INCHES.
BUT, UM, IT WAS, AT THE TIME, IT WAS, WAS WRITTEN, WAS THE TIME WHEN THE ELECTRONIC CHANGEABLE COPY WAS ESSENTIALLY, UH, L UH, L E D BALLS OR, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS REALLY FOR GAS STATION PRICING.
UM, WITH DIGITAL SIGNAGE THE WAY IT IS NOW, THE CODE HAS
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NOT KEPT UP WITH THE, WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND MAYBE NOTE THAT IT IS, IT'S ONE.
AM I ON MY LIST?
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS OWNING CASE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THIS? I THINK HE NEEDS TO WRITE.
RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO, UH, TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD, PLEASE, AS A, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE DECISION ORDER? OKAY.
UM, SO THE, THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT, UM, STAFF CAN APPROVE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN, UH, ON THE SITE, UM, UP TO FIVE FEET, OR EXCUSE ME, NO CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE RIGHT AWAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? SIGN DYNAMICS FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNAGE FOR A NEW REPLACEMENT MONUMENT SIGN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 75 0 5 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, SULFUR GROVE CASE, UH, MC 22 DASH 37.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MEMOR, THE REC ACCORD ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2022 AS AMENDED.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MOTION MADE BY MS UH, THOMAS, SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MS. FARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE, UH, A GAP APP? OKAY.
UH, SO THE, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT THE, UH, REVISED SITE PLAN TO US WHERE YOU WANNA SEE THE ACTUAL SIGN PLACED, AND WE WILL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR NEW BUSINESS IS REZONING, A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, THOMAS DOA, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REZONING TO PI, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A TRUCK.
WOULD THAT BE FOR STORAGE? STOP, STOP TRUCK, STOP AND REPAIR FACILITY? ON APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES, A PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND ARTS ROAD, UH, RZ BDP 22 DASH 35, MR. CRELL.
OKAY, SO, AS I SAID, THIS IS A REZONING AND, UH, REQUEST FOR REZONING AND APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, IT'S 3.3 ACRES, CURRENTLY ZONED B3.
UH, IT'S VACANT LAND, CURRENTLY BEING FARMED.
UM, IT'S LARGELY SURROUNDED BY I ONE ZONING.
UH, RECENTLY, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL APPROVED A REZONING FROM I ONE TO PLAN COMMERCIAL, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ON 2 35 STAIR ROUTE 2 35 TO FACILITATE THE BUILDING OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, UM, BOTH CAR OR AUTO AND, AND TRUCK FUELING CENTER, UM, AS WELL AS A DIESEL REPAIR, UH, FACILITY AND PARKING, UH, FOR 30, UM, SEMI TRUCKS.
SO THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THIS TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A 12 SPACE TRUCK STOP WITH A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, BUILDING.
SO THIS IS THE SITE AT THE CORNER OF, UH, STATE ROUTE 2 35 AND ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY HERE.
UH, THIS REALLY IS ANOTHER GATEWAY PROPERTY, UH, INTO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE SITE OF THE, THIS THAT WAS RE THIS, THE ENTIRE 35 ACRES WAS REZONED.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TRUCK STOP HERE.
UM, WELL, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS A TRUCK STOP HERE, UH, ON NINE ACRES.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION, LIKE I SAID, IT IS ZONED ALMOST ENTIRELY.
UM, THE ONE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNER, UH, IS STILL, UH, ZONED AGRICULTURE.
UH, THE FUELING STATIONS ARE ZONED, UM, COMMERCIAL, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THERE IS A LOT OF MANUFACTURING, UH,
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LOGISTICS, UH, TYPE OF, OF USES, UH, IN THIS AREA.SO THE ENTRANCE TO THE PURSUIT, WE GO BACK, THE ENTRANCE TO THE FACILITY, UH, IS OFF OF TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S ABOUT A SIX FOOT GRADE DROP FROM THE, UM, TOP OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ONTO THE SITE.
UH, AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ARE, UH, SEMI TRUCK PARKING AREAS.
AGAIN, THIS 40, UH, 500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH ROUGHLY, UM, 800 SQUARE FEET FOR, UM, A SHOP FLOOR.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS CLOSER TO 34 PARKING SPACES.
UM, THEY'VE SINCE CUT THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER OVER HALF.
THIS IS LOOKING, UM, THIS WILL BE LOOKING BASICALLY DUE SOUTH, UM, ON ARTS, LOOKING TOWARDS TECHNOLOGY.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS, UM, STATE ROUTE 2 35 IS, IS RIGHT BEHIND HERE.
SO THERE IS A LARGE, UH, TREE LINE THAT ON BORDERS, TWO SIDES OF THE SITE.
SO ALSO A VERY LARGE SOURCE, UH, SEWER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.
ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IS IF, UH, YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD IS THAT WE MAINTAIN, WE, UM, ADD A TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT ALONG 2 35 TO MAINTAIN AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE, THE QUALITY TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ALONG.
SINCE THIS IS A GATEWAY ENTRANCE INTO THE, INTO THE CITY, AS I SAID, IT'S, UH, VERY CLOSE TO I 72 35.
UM, ONE THING OF NOTE IS THAT THE TRUCK STOP THAT WAS, UM, RECENTLY REZONED AND PERMITTED WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED WAS FOR 10 SPACES.
UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, UM, COUNCIL FELT THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, UM, AND INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS PARKING SPACES FROM 10 TO UP TO 30.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN YET, UM, FOR THAT TRUCK STOP.
SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT IN PLACE, BUT, UH, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF UP TO 30.
IN TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, HE FEELS THAT, UH, AND, AND HE IS A TRUCK DRIVER, UH, THE OWNER, UH, HE FEELS THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THOSE TRUCKERS WHO HAVE MAXIMIZED THEIR ON THE ROAD HOURS AND, AND MUST REST.
THEY, THEY CAN'T DRIVE ANY LONGER.
UM, AS I SAID, THERE'S A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A SHOP FLOOR OF APPROXIMATELY 840, UM, SQUARE FEET.
THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, IT, THE BUILDING MAY HAVE RESTROOMS OR SHOWER FACILITIES OR TYPE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF AMENITIES TO, UM, UH, TO ASSIST THE DRIVERS.
ALTHOUGH, UM, IT SEEMS FLUID, UM, WITH, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT MAY OCCUR, WHAT THE ACTUAL BUILDING PROGRAMMING, UH, WILL BE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, HE IS, UH, IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS, UM, AND FEELS THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
UH, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED I ONE AND ENGAGED IN MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTIONS.
UM, AND MOST OF THE SURROUNDING LAND USES HEAVILY UTILIZED TRUCKING, UM, SERVICES.
SO FROM A REZONING STANDPOINT, I ONE PROB OR PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, SOME TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL USE ON THIS LAND PROBABLY MAKES SENSE.
UM, LOOKING AT THE REZONING, AGAIN FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING STANDPOINT, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS AREA IS LOCATED, IT'S BOTH A GATEWAY AND A GROWTH AREA.
SO GATEWAYS ARE THOSE PROMINENT, UH, ENTRANCES INTO THE CITY THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIVE, UH, ENTRANCES.
UH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LANDSCAPED IN AN ATTRACTIVE MANNER, LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE OR SIGN CLUTTER, AND THEN PRESERVE, UH, AND MAINTAIN THOSE MATURE TREES WHERE POSSIBLE, UH, GROWTH AREAS ARE.
ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE THE ECONOMIC ENGINES OF THE CITY.
IT'S AREAS WE WANT TO SEE BUSINESSES GROW AND THRIVE AND BE DEVELOPED.
SO THE REZONING REQUEST FROM B3 TO PI COULD BE CONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE CON WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH OTHER ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO IS A PER PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE IN THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL, UH, DISTRICT.
UM, THE CURRENT PLAN INDICATES A 10 FOOT BUFFER YARD, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED TO 15 FEET.
UH, ALL OTHER STANDARDS WITHIN CHAPTER 1177 ARE MET AS FAR AS THE OTHER CHAPTERS, 1181, WHICH ARE THE GENERAL STANDARDS, UH, 1182, WHICH IS LANDSCAPING AND 1185, WHICH IS PARKING.
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IN THE APPLICATION TO, UM, EVALUATE THOSE.THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED TO STAFF THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS THOUGH, WILL BE MET, UH, AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL TO NOT BE PRESENT, BUT IT, IT, AND IT ISN'T.
AS FAR AS OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, UM, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S TIMELINE, UH, AND ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT THAT PROPOSED BUILDING AS WELL AS THE ACTUAL PROGRAMMING OF THAT BUILDING.
LIKE I SAID, DURING OUR CONVERSATIONS, UM, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE DRIVERS, BUT WHAT THOSE SERVICES ARE SEEMS TO BE FLUID, UH, AND, AND NOT CLEARLY DEFINED AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, ALSO, WHILE A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ISN'T SMALL, UM, BY ITSELF, IT SEEMS SMALL FOR THE TYPE OF SERVICES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
UM, AS A COMPARISON, THE TRUCK REPAIR FACILITY THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS 6,800 SQUARE FEET OR 6,600 SQUARE FEET FOR THE REPAIR FACILITY ALONE.
UM, SO WE ARE STAFF MEET IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED, UH, ABOUT THAT.
UM, DURING THE CONVERSATIONS, IT, IT'S, IT IS CLEAR THERE'S AN INTENT TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING, UM, BUT IT'S UNCLEAR AS TO THAT TIMELINE.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WITHOUT THE BUILDING, UH, OR THOSE FACILITIES IN THAT PROGRAMMING, THIS BASICALLY BECOMES A TRAILER DROP LOT, UH, WITH NO VALUE ADDED SERVICES FOR THE DRIVERS OR THOSE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.
SO WITHOUT THAT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE REAL PROGRAMMING IS, THE TIMELINE STAFF HAS CONCERNS.
SO AGAIN, I SAID MY REC, MY CONCERN OR STAFF'S CONCERN IS WITH THE TIMING AND THE LACK OF DETAIL AROUND THE ACTUAL PROGRAMMING.
UM, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE SIMPLE DROP LOT FOR, UH, OR FACILITY FOR OVERNIGHT TRUCKING WITHOUT THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES TO PROVIDE THE DRIVERS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, SO ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE WARRANTED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO, TO FURTHER, UH, REFINE THEIR PROJECT.
UM, HOWEVER, IF PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT, THEN WE SUGGEST THE, UH, FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANTS SUBMIT A DETAILED PROGRAMMING PLAN, INCLUDING FLOOR PLANS, ELEVATIONS FOR THE BUILDING PRIOR TO DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSIDERATION AND TO BE APPROVED, UM, BY THE, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO, AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS, THAT A 20 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, UM, SHALL BE RECORDED AND ENFORCED.
UM, THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH THE REST OF THE ZONING CODE PROVISIONS, UM, THAT THE PROPOSED OVERNIGHT PARKING AREA BE, UM, CONSTRUCTIVE ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, NOT COMPACTED CHIP AND SEAL.
UM, AND THAT NOIT ACTIVITIES OCCUR ON THE SITE, INCLUDING PARKING, STORAGE, OR SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, UNTIL THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, IS APPROVED BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS, UM, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE AS A BODY.
UH, YOU CAN APPROVE THE REZONING AND BASIC WHERE YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UH, REC REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION, BOTH WITH OR WITHOUT THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE, UM, REZONING AND, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THIS CASE FOR ADDITIONAL TIME.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT, BUT THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER, UH, ARE HERE, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OF THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. FARGO? UM, DID STAFF RECOMMEND THE, UH, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL RATHER THAN THE I ONE? WE DID? UM, ONE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? PLUS THIS ONE ALLOW, IF THE OTHER ONE GOES NOT.
SO THE, THE MAIN ISSUE WOULD BE, UM, THE OTHER ANCILLARY USES THAT COME ALONG WITH I, ONE SPECIFICALLY ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, THAT THAT COULD BE, UM, PERMITTED IN THAT WE ALSO WANTED, WE WANTED CONTROL OVER WHAT THE FACILITY LOOKS LIKE, UH, AND THE DESIGN OF HOW THAT SITE IS GONNA BE LAID OUT.
UM, WHICH WE CAN GET UNDER THE PLAIN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
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WE CANNOT GET THAT UNDER THE I I ONE.THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ABILITY FOR US TO CONTROL THE, THE LAYOUT DESIGN, ET CETERA.
I MUST HAVE MISSED IN HERE WITH ADULT ENTERTAINMENT.
BELIEVE IT'S ALLOWED IN I ONE, CERTAINLY I, BUT THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING IT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
AND IT'S SPECIFIC, BUT WHEN, IF IT'S ZONE I ONE, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE NEXT USER WOULD PROPOSE.
AND 4,500 SQUARE FEET IS A BIG DANCE FLOOR
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU REFERRED TO, WHAT IS THE AGE OF THAT? UH, IT IS THE ONE THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED IN 1999.
AND I, I REALLY DO LIKE THE, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AS FAR AS IF WE DO APPROVE ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE.
I ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD, JEFF, PLEASE.
SO AARON, ON THE, THE STAFF REPORT WHERE SAYS THAT WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY CONCERNS FROM LACK OF DETAIL, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO, LIKE YOU SAID, GIVE THEM TIME VIA POSSIBLY TABLING IT AND NOT MAKING A DECISION ON THE ZONING CHANGE OR THE PLAN AND KIND OF KEEPING ALL THAT TOGETHER? CAUSE IF WE SAY, YEAH, WE, WE'LL DO THE REZONING, BUT THEN COME BACK IN THE DETAILED PLAN AT THAT POINT, SAY, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING THAT DIRECTION.
SHOULDN'T WE KEEP ALL THAT MOVING TOGETHER AND NOT DO ONE VERSUS THE OTHER? SO MY RECOMMENDATION, THE WAY THE, THE, THE ZONING CODE IS, IS, UM, LAID OUT IS I WOULD KEEP THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE.
UM, IF YOU RECOMMEND EITHER APPROVAL OR DENIAL, I BELIEVE THE CODE SAYS WE HAVE 10 DAYS TO SUBMIT THAT TO THEN COUNSEL FOR THEM TO SCHEDULE IT WHENEVER THEY SEE FIT.
UM, SO, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN, CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH FURTHER REFINEMENT THEY CAN OR ARE WILLING TO DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, YES, I AM.
I'M WITH, UM, HAILEY DEUCE ENGINEERING, AND, UM, THE OWNER IS HERE, BUT, UH, UH, I AM THE APPLICANT, SO I'M UP HERE FOR THIS.
UM, WHERE WE STAND ON THE PROJECT IS THE OWNER IS, WAS PRESENTED BY MR. SORE.
UM, IS, IT WAS INTERESTED IN THE TRUCKING PORTION OF THIS AND, UM, AND WAS HE WANTED TO WORK ON THE VEHICLES, BUT ALSO PROVIDE THE STORAGE AREAS.
AND, UM, WHEN WE WERE GONNA DO IT, WE WERE GONNA TRY TO COME CLOSE TO WHAT WAS OUT THERE AT THE, WITH THE I ONE S, BUT IT, IT WAS ADVISED TO US THAT THE PI WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BETTER CONTROL THE SITUATION THERE.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE, THESE COMMENTS TOO THAT, THAT HE'S, HE SAID TO US, THAT'S SOME FORMATIVE TO US.
AND, UH, I, THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T GO INTO ALL THE, THE DETAIL THAT IS MISSING AT THIS POINT IS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE.
WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T, DIDN'T WANNA PUT A LOT OF COMMITMENT INTO SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD A SHOT.
BUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE'S SAYING NOW, UM, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE FACT THAT WE, WE CAN COME BACK AND, AND, AND PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR TO HELP MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, NOW THAT, NOW THAT WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ON BOTH ENDS, SO IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US.
I, EVERYTHING HE'S PRESENTED WAS, WAS, HE DID A GOOD JOB FOR US TOO AS WELL, SO, OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS OP, SORRY, RIGHT? SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH TABLING TILL WE GET MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE VOTE? I THINK SO, BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE WE'RE DOING HERE AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF IT.
DOES THIS NEED TO BE IN A, UM, TO TABLE UNTIL MOTION OR IS THIS STATE, UH, NO, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO TABLE.
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I'M SORRY.DO YOU, DO YOU WANT 10 DAYS OR DO YOU NEED 30 DAYS AS FAR AS TABLING? AND THAT MEANS TO COME BACK IN 10 DAYS OR COME BACK AND BIRTHDAY? I'M ASKING HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED? AND I WANT, WHAT'S THE 10 DAYS TO COME BACK HERE, GIVE YOU SOMETHING? IT WOULD BE TO, SO THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE OCTOBER 11TH, BUT WE CAN PUSH IT TO THE 25TH OR 27TH, WHATEVER THAT DAY IS.
YEAH, LET, LET ME PUSH IT TO THE THIRD DAYS.
THE NEXT MEETING I BELIEVE IS OCTOBER 25TH.
SO I THINK TABLING IT TO THAT, TO OCTOBER 20.
IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE, UH, THIS, UM, TO THE OCTOBER 25TH,
S BY MR. JEFFRIES IS MOVE THIS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO 25TH OF OCTOBER.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE READ THE CALL FROM THE VOTE? MS. VA? YES.
SO WE WILL TABLE THIS TO OCTOBER 25TH.
HAVE TO KEEP ALL THIS INFORMATION SCRAPING.
NEXT ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT 135 UNIT SENIOR COMMUNITY AND 192 UNIT MARKET RATE COMMUNITY ON A COMBINED 15.56 ACRES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 62 0 9 RAMP PIKE REAR.
LOTS OF THE FORMER MARION LANES OR MARION SHOPPING CENTER, DDP 22 DASH 34, MR. CRE.
OKAY, SO THE SITE IS 15 AND A HALF ACRES, UH, ZONED MIXED, UH, PLANNED, MIXED USE ALONG WITH THE BRAND PIKE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UH, IT'S, THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR IS VACANT.
UM, THERE IS, UH, RESIDENTIAL R FOUR TO THE WEST, PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH.
UM, AND THEN PLANNED MIXED USE TO THE EAST AND THE SOUTH IS A MIXTURE OF B3 AND, UM, PLANNED PUBLIC PRIVATE BUILDINGS.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED O AUGUST 8TH.
UM, AND SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEPTH DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE 135 UNIT SENIOR COMMUNITY AND THE 192, UM, MARKET RATE OR NONS SENIOR, UM, APARTMENTS.
UH, THIS IS THE, THE SITE AT THE BACK OF, UH, THE FORMER CURRENT AND SOON TO BE REDEVELOPED, UH, SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, THE, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW REVISIONS, WHICH WE'LL WE'LL GET INTO, BUT, UM, THIS COMPLEX IS, IS THE, UM, MARKET RATE APARTMENT UNITS.
UH, THIS IS THE SENIOR FACILITY.
UM, THERE'LL BE A, UH, ENTRANCE WITH A SMALL ROUNDABOUT.
UM, THIS WAS ALL APPROVED DURING THE, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO DO TODAY IS TO, TO GET DOWN INTO THE DETAILS.
WELL, LET ME JUST GO THROUGH HERE.
UH, SO JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, UH, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
THIS IS THE MARKET RATE, WHICH IS, UH, A MIXTURE OF, OF A STONE CLADDING AND HARDY PLAN SIGHTING.
ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE COLOR PALETTE FOR THE, FOR THE MARKET RATE, A MIXTURE OF, UH, STONE AND, UH, GRAY HARDY PLANK AND, UH, UH, WHITE, UM, WHITE SIGHTING.
THIS IS THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE SENIOR FACILITY, UH, SENIOR BUILDING.
UH, THERE ARE TWO WINGS THAT, THAT GO, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK.
THIS WILL BE THE MA THE ENTRANCE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IF
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YOU WERE IN THE LIBRARY'S PARKING LOT.THIS IS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE THE ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCES FOR THE RESIDENCE.
UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE, THE REAR VIEW OF THE FACILITY LOOKS LIKE.
AGAIN, HARDY PLANK SIDING MIXTURE OF, UH, OF STONE CLADDING AND, AND HARDY PLANK.
SO THERE ARE TWO, UM, MINOR REVISIONS, UM, TO THE, THAT, TO THE SITE PLAN THAT, UM, OCCURRED BETWEEN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND TODAY, UH, THERE ARE NOW TWO WATER RETENTION BASINS, UH, INSTEAD OF ONE LARGE BASIN, THEY'VE SPLIT THE, THE TWO RETENTION PONDS.
ONE WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE SENIOR FACILITY.
ONE WILL BE IN THE NEAR THE LIBRARIES PARKING LOT.
UM, ONE BECAUSE WE NEEDED MORE WATER RETENTION.
UH, TWO, SPLITTING 'EM UP ALSO OPENS UP THE, UH, CENTRAL PLAZA AREA FOR, FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT AND GETS PROBABLY A BETTER EITHER, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER OR OTHER QUASI PUBLIC BUILDING THAT IS ALONG THAT MAIN ENTRANCE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE WEST EDGE BUFFERING AND SCREENING, UM, DUE TO SOME GRADING ISSUES, UH, LAYOUT, UH, WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I WOULD SAY WAS KIND OF A TYPICAL PLAN.
UH, THEY HAVE FURTHER REFINED THE SITE LINES AND, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT SO YOU CAN SEE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT, UM, BUFFERING AND SITE LINE AND SCREENING WILL LOOK LIKE ON, ON THE WEST EDGE.
SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
YOU SEE THE, THE MAIN WATER RETENTION BASIN HERE BEHIND THE LIBRARY'S PARKING LOT.
UH, THAT HAS NOW BEEN SPLIT INTO TWO, WHICH ALSO THEN ALLOWS A LARGER BUILDING TO BE, UH, BUILT ON THE CORNER.
I THINK THIS IS A, A BETTER URBAN DESIGN, UM, ELEMENT, UH, RATHER THAN HAVING THAT PART, THAT DETENTION BASIN TAKING UP, UH, SO MUCH AREA, UH, CAN ALSO BE, YEAH, AN ATTRACTIVE LARGER FEATURE FOR, UH, FOR THE, THE SENIOR FACILITY.
UH, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE LAYOUT OF THE PARKING, NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLANT.
NEITHER HAS ANY OF THE LOCATIONS OF DRIVEWAY, UH, MOUTHS THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE, FOR THE MAIN STREET.
THIS WAS THE, UH, WHAT THIS WAS WHAT WAS SHOWN AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWED THE, UM, THE IDEA WAS TO SHOW A SITELINE PERSPECTIVE FROM THOSE RESIDENTS, UH, HOMES, UH, ON THE EAST, IF THEY WERE STANDING IN THEIR BACKYARD, UH, RESIDENTS ON THE WEST, IF THEY WERE STANDING IN THEIR BACKYARD LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WHAT WAS ILLUSTRATED WAS A 30, A TYPICAL 37 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN WHAT IS THE BACK OF THE GARAGE AND THE PROPERTY LINE, AS WELL AS A ROUGHLY 73 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE GARAGE AND THE, UM, BACK OF THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT LARGELY HAS REMAINED, UH, CONSISTENT.
SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE STARTING, UH, THESE SITE LINE DRAWINGS ARE STARTING FROM THE, UM, SOUTHWEST EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AND WORKING NORTH.
UH, SO THIS WOULD BE LOOKING, UM, DOWN HERE.
NUMBER ONE, THE TAKEAWAY IS, IS THAT THE SITE LINE AND WHAT THE RESIDENT SEES FROM THE BACK OF THEIR HOME LOOKING EAST IS, IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT WAS UM, PROPOSED.
ONCE, UH, THE TREES ARE, ARE, ARE CONSTRUCTED.
SO ON THE FIRST SITE LINE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE EDGE OF THE PARKING IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET.
UH, AND BECAUSE OF THE, THE GRADING, THE TOP OF THIS HILL IS ROUGHLY, LEMME CHANGE THE ONE, SORRY.
THE TOP OF THE HILL IS, UH, ROUGHLY PROBABLY AROUND SIX AND A HALF, SEVEN FEET.
ON TOP OF THAT WILL BE, UM, EVERGREEN TREES, UM, WHICH LARGELY BLOCK THE VIEW, UH, UP TILL JUST THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE SOIT OF THE SENIOR APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE EDGE OF THE SENIOR BUILDING IS 116 FEET.
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AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE NORTH, UH, THE PARKING LOT GRAY DROPS A LITTLE BIT.UM, SO THIS DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SIX FOOT, WELL, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, THEN THERE'S A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE.
UH, THIS NOW IS, UM, CONTINUES TO BE 30 FEET AGAIN, ANOTHER, UM, EVERGREEN TREE, UH, PARKING LOT.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN, 96 FEET FROM THE, UM, BACK OF THE EDGE OF THE PARKING OR THE BACK OF THE TREES, UH, TO THE, UH, BACK OF THE SENIOR FACILITY.
SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT DISTANCE IS, IS REALLY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAD A TYPICAL SITE LINE OR DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINE OF ABOUT A HUNDRED AND, UH, 11 FEET.
AS WE GET CLOSER, UM, WE'RE NOW, NOW WE ARE AT THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
THERE'S NOW A SEVEN FOOT MOUND.
UH, SO SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE FENCE ON TOP OF THE MOUNDING IS, UH, EVERGREEN TREES.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, UH, EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT AND THE BACK OF THE, THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS 74 FEET.
SO THERE'S, IT'S 106 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BACK OF, OF THIS, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING.
SO IN THIS CASE, THIS DRAWING IS VERY SIMILAR.
UH, THIS IS 32 FEET RATHER THAN 37, UH, BUT THERE IS A REALLY A SEVEN FOOT TALL MOUND INSTEAD OF A FIVE FOOT TALL MOUND.
SO THERE'S BEEN TRADE OFFS, BUT AGAIN, THE SITELINE STUDIES SHOW OR ILLUSTRATIONS ILLUSTRATE THAT THOSE REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED.
SO THE VISUAL IMPACT OF WHAT, UH, HAD, WAS PRESENTED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED IN THE DETAIL DEVELOP PLAN LARGELY REMAINS UNCHANGED AS WE GO.
NOW, THIS IS THE BACK OF THE GARAGES.
UH, THERE ARE TWO SETS OF, OR THREE SETS OF GARAGES.
SO WE'RE RIGHT HERE ROUGHLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UM, OF THE SITE.
THESE HOMES ARE, THE LA UH, ARE PRETTY MUCH THE CLOSEST, UM, TO, TO THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, WHICH IS WHY THE GARAGES WERE PLACED BACK THERE TO PROVIDE, UM, BOTH VISUAL AND NOISE SEPARATION FROM, FROM THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE ARE HERE.
SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BACK OF THE GARAGE IS 31 FEET.
UM, THERE IS A, THERE'S A SIX FOOT FENCE THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE PERIMETER.
UM, SO, OR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF, OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THIS MOUNTING IS FIVE FOOT ON TOP OF THAT WILL HAVE SOME EVERGREEN TREES.
AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN SORT OF THE FRONT OF, UH, THE BACK OF THE GARAGE TO THE BACK OF THE, UM, APARTMENT IS ROUGHLY 60 FEET.
SO IT'S 91 FEET BETWEEN PROPERTY LINE TO APARTMENT BUILDING, ALONG WITH, UH, THE GARAGE THAT'S THERE.
UH, LAST SITE SITELINE STUDY, UM, IS THE VERY NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
UM, IT'S A 32 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE EDGE OF PA OF THE, OF THE PARKING AREA.
THIS IS A, UH, FIVE FOOT BUFFER, OR FIVE FOOT MOUND ALONG WITH EVERGREEN PLANTINGS.
UM, AND SO THE, AND THE TOTAL DISTANCE HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CLOSEST, UM, AREA, JUST THE WAY THE, THE LOTS WORK OUT ON THE, ON THE WESTERN EDGE.
UM, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE HERE, UH, AND THE BACK OF THE APARTMENT IS, UH, 71 FEET, I'M SORRY, 70 FEET.
SO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN INCLUDED 10 CONDITIONS, UM, THAT DEALT WITH SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE, LIGHTING, UM, CON CONFORMANCE WITH STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS, FIRE CODE ENGINEERING, ET CETERA.
I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO EVERY ONE OF THESE DETAILS.
UM, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES MEET ALL 10 CONDITIONS.
SO AS FAR AS CONDITIONS, UH, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, WHICH DEALT WITH SIDEWALKS AND STREET TREES, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ALL OF THE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE SENIOR FACILITY TO THE
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PUBLIC SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ALONG, UH, THIS FUTURE ROAD.UM, THIS IS A SORT OF THE TYPICAL CUT.
THIS IS THE TYPICAL, UH, AREA.
UH, THIS IS THE SENIOR FACILITY.
THESE ARE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS, UM, THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, UH, INCLUDING PERIMETER PARKING AREAS.
THERE IS CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ALL OF THE UNITS, UH, TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
UM, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS THAT THE SIDEWALKS BE FIVE FEET.
THEY'RE FIVE FEET THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO STREET TREES THAT ARE PLACED 40 FOOT ON CENTER, UH, ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
THOSE ARE ALL CONSISTENT WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL AS, UM, THE ZONING CODE.
ONE OF THE CONDITION FOUR WAS THE SIGN PACKAGE, UH, BE SUBMITTED TO THE MEETS APPROVAL.
UH, THIS SIGN IS JUST LESS, I THINK IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET TALL.
UM, SO IT IS LESS THAN WHAT THE CODE, UM, ALLOWS.
UM, BUT THIS IS BASED, YOU KNOW, MINING MONUMENT SIGNED WITH, UH, TWO BRICK COLUMNS AND, AND AN INNER COPY AREA AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING A, UH, SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING PACKAGE.
UM, SO CONDITION SIX WAS THAT THE LANDSCAPING, UM, BE SUBMITTED WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, CONDITION SEVEN WAS THAT IN LIEU OF MOUNDING ALONG THIS PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, THAT THERE'D BE EXTENSIVE, UM, THAT, THAT THE, THERE'D BE CLUSTERED BUSHES AND TREES TO, TO BREAK THAT UP BECAUSE WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT, WE WANTED TO CREATE A COMMUNITY, NOT A COMPOUND.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IN, UH, THERE WAS NO REASON AT ALL TO CREATE A BUFFER AREA OR, OR REALLY KEEP PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO SEE INTO, INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING AROUND EACH TYPICAL BUILDING ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF OF SHRUBS, TREES.
THERE'S INTERIOR, UM, BOTH SHADE TREE AND DECORATIVE TREES.
UM, THE INTERIOR PARKING, LANDSCAPING BY AND LARGE, UM, WELL EXCEEDS THE CODE IN SOME AREAS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE INTERIOR PARKING, LANDSCAPING, THE CODE REQUIRES 5% OF THE INTERIOR PARKING LOT TO BE LANDSCAPED.
WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THESE LARGE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AS WELL AS THE DOG PARK AND SOME OTHER AREAS, UM, THE INTERIOR PARKING LANDSCAPING IS APPROXIMATELY 30% OF, OF THE PARKING AREA.
UM, THE CODE REQUIRES 66 SHADE TREES AND 198 LARGE SHRUBS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 59 SHADE TREES AND 185 SHRUBS.
I'M NOT SURE WE COULD GET ANOTHER TREE IN HERE, UM, WITH THE WAY THAT THE SITE LINES INTO THE PARKING LOTS, UH, WORK OUT.
SO I, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, AS FAR AS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INTERIOR PARKING, UH, LANDSCAPING, AGAIN, THAT CARRIES OVER TO, UH, THE SENIOR FACILITY AS WELL.
A LOT OF INTERIOR LANDSCAPING.
ALL THE PARKING, UH, ISLANDS WITHIN THE PARKING LOTS, UH, HAVE, HAVE SHADE TREES.
UM, NICE LANDSCAPING ATTRACT THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE THE, UH, SOUTH EDGE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING TREE LINE HERE, UM, AS BASICALLY THE LANDSCAPING FOR THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, OF THE SENIOR FACILITY.
WE'RE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, UH, A CONDITION THAT A 35 FOOT OR 40 FOOT, I BELIEVE TREE PRESERVATION, UM, ZONE, UH, BE PLACED ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE TO, UH, PROTECT AS MANY OF THE MATURE, UM, QUALITY TREES THAT, THAT ARE THERE.
ABOUT RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE PRESERVATION EASEMENT.
THIS KEEPS THEM OUTTA THE GRADING AREA.
UH, WE'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A DRAINAGE SWALE THAT COMES THAT CUTS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE TREES.
UM, WE'RE FINE WITH, UH, HAVING THE APPLICANT, UM, CLEAN THAT OUT, TAKE OUT THE DEAD TREES.
UM, BUT BY AND LARGE, THE, THE LARGE SWATH OF THE MATURE TREES, THE QUALITY TREES, UM, WE THINK SHOULD STAY AND, AND BE PRESERVED AS FAR AS LIGHTING.
UM, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS THE ZONING CODES, THE, THE, UH, FULL CAUGHT OFF LIGHTING, L E D LIGHTING ON 20 FOOT POLES.
THERE IS MINIMUM LIGHTING IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT RE UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
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PHOTOMETRIC PLAN, WHICH I DON'T HAVE UP HERE, BUT I HAVE WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT, UM, SHOWS A 0.2 FOOT CANDLE, UM, LIGHTING ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE.UH, THE CODE REQUIRES NO MORE THAN HALF.
SO THEY ARE UNDER WHAT THE CODE, UM, ALLOWS.
UM, SO IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REVISED DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 21ST CONFORM SUBSTANTIALLY TO THE APPROVED BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN SECTION 11 71 0 9.
UH, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT A 40 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION EASEMENT BE PLACED ON THE SOUTH, UH, PROPERTY LINE TO PRESERVE THOSE, THOSE HEALTHY TREES.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFRIES, JUST TO CONFIRM, WHERE'S THOSE COVERED PARKING ON THE DRAWINGS? THOSE ARE GARAGES, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT, THOSE ARE GARAGES, BUT THEY'RE NOT CAR PORTS.
WANTED THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CASE.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE FENCE THAT'S GONNA RUN THE PERIMETER? I KNOW WHEN THEY WERE HERE BEFORE, THEY TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE A MORE OF A QUESTION FOR, FOR HIM, BUT SEEMS THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO CONTROL THEIR FENCE LINE AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
BUT I'M, I DUNNO IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT IN THIS TONIGHT OR IF THAT'S QUESTION FOR THEM.
SO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS A, A SIX FOOT, A NEW SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE THAT'S ONE FOOT OFF OF THE, THE PROPERTY LINE THAT SPANS THE ENTIRE WEST EDGE.
AND THEN THIS AGAIN MAY BE FOR ANOTHER TIME, BUT THE ROAD FROM THE, UM, THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION FROM FISHBURG INTO THIS AREA WHERE A DOG TOWN IN THIS IS, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP AT ONE POINT ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD THAT THEY WERE HAVING TO KEEP UP AND THAT IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THAT DEV, THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
CAUSE I KNOW AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLY LOOKING AT MAKING IT PART OF, AT LEAST I THOUGHT THERE WAS A BRIEF COMMENT AROUND THAT, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BACK AROUND.
I THINK THERE'S STILL DISCUSSIONS ON THE LARGER SITE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, AS WELL AS, UH, CONNECTIONS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. VAGO FOR CLARIFICATION? THE PRIVACY WITH THE, HAVE WE INDICATED WHAT COURSE THAT WOULD, IS IT WOOD OR IS IT PLASTIC OR DO YOU HERE I BELIEVE IT WAS WOOD.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I CAN LOOK IN THE PLANTS TO, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE.
AND THAT ALL OF THOSE PUSHES WILL BE IN FRONT OF THAT FENCE, IS THAT CORRECT? FIRST THERE'S THE FENCE AND THEN THE BUSHES HAVE BEEN THE BUILDING.
AND IN THE, UM, THE SENIOR LIVING BUILDING IS ALL OF THE PARKING IN THE REAR? NO, THERE IS, UH, THERE ARE TWO.
THERE'S A SINGLE LINE OF, OF PARKING HERE AND HERE, AND THEN ALONG THE SIDE HERE, THE MAJORITY IS IN THE REAR, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST TO THE ENTRANCES OF WHERE THE RESIDENTS WILL PROBABLY ENTER.
BUT THERE IS PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BUILDINGS? THERE IS PARKING, UH, ALONG THE FRONT OF EACH OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, ALONG WITH SOME PARKING IN THE, THE EDGES HERE.
UM, THERE'S NO FRONT PARKING ALONG THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY IN FRONT OF THOSE BUILDINGS, BUT THERE, THERE IS PARKING IN FRONT OF, THERE'S A PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF, EXCEPT FOR LIKE THIS LITTLE END UNIT HERE.
UH, THERE'S A PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF EVERY UNIT.
WELL, THE PARKING IN MY OPINION IS, IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
UH, SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT TO US IS JUST AMAZING.
UM, BUT I DO STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PARK ALL THESE CARS.
SO THERE ARE 335 PARKING SPACES FOR THE, THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEETS CODE.
THEY INCREASED THE PARKING, UM, FROM UP TO, I BELIEVE THE PARKING NOW IS 150 SPACES BECAUSE PARKING WAS BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE.
THEY ADDED MORE SPACES FOR THE, FOR THE SENIOR FACILITY, THE, THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX ALWAYS MET CODE.
AND HOW MANY GARAGES ARE THERE? I I SEE THAT THERE ARE 1, 2, 3 IN THE APARTMENTS AND
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ONE IN THE SENIOR LIVING.BUT HOW MANY SEPARATE SPACES ARE THERE? HOW MANY CARS CAN YOU PARK? I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT'S INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL 335 SPACE PARKING.
I CAN, I CAN LOOK THAT UP, UM, WHILE YOU'RE TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SIR.
OKAY, WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT AND IF YOU WOULD SERVE BEFORE YOU BEGIN? I DO BELIEVE YOU WAS JUST A TAIL BIT LATE, SO I NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
DO YOU, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME OR, UM, AN ANSWER? I DO.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OR PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HOPE YOU GOD, I DO CONTINUE.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, YET AGAIN, COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE, UH, GONE THROUGH A LOT OF WORK TO, UH, COLLABORATE WITH, UH, THE CITY AS WELL AS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS DEVELOPMENT FORWARD.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS EVENING AND LISTENING.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS AND MR. C, COULD I, DOES THIS KIND OF GO THROUGH YOUR SLIDESHOW IF I PLAY WITH IT A LITTLE BIT HERE, IT GOOD OR BAD?
I WANT TO TRY TO GET TO THE SIGHTLINE STUDIES.
SO AS MR. SLL DID A, A WONDERFUL JOB GOING THROUGH HERE, WE, I WANT TO SPEND A MOMENT LONGER ON THIS JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
AND IF I COULD MAYBE PROJECT AND POINT, IS THAT OKAY IF I WORK OVER THE SCREEN? OKAY, SO THIS BEING WHAT WE HAD BEFORE, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS WAS A SINGLE CUT MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS AND OBVIOUSLY AS YOU GET INTO YOUR DETAILS GOING RIGHT, GRADING TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THE INTENT OF ALL OF THIS THAT WE KNOW IS THAT WHEN THERE IS A FIRST PLANTED TREES IN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA PLANT THEM AT 15 FEET, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SIX FEET.
YOU KNOW THAT SIGHT LINE WAS HITTING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SECOND STORY.
SO IT WAS HITTING ABOUT THE SECOND STORY, JUST ABOUT THE THIRD FLOOR FLOOR LINE.
AND THAT MATURITY, IT WOULD HIDE THE BUILDING.
OKAY? SO THAT IS WHAT WE WERE, WE COMMITTED TO AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AS WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH AND HE WENT THROUGH ALL THE CASES, I'M JUST GONNA GO TO THE MOST EXTREME CASE IF THAT'S IT.
SO CASE ONE, AS YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM THERE IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE VERY EDGE OF THE BUILDING HERE, THIS IS IT FOR THE SENIOR PROPERTY, THE MOST EXTREME AS ONCE WE SET THE PAD HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH HAS TO THEN RELATE TO THE STREET HEIGHT, WHICH THEN RELATES ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE MAIN ROAD AS IT STEPPED BACK FROM A GRADING STANDPOINT THAT WAS THERE.
SO THIS IS THE MOST EXTREME DIFFERENTIAL HERE AND IT IS FACING THE VERY EDGE OF THIS BUILDING.
THE SECOND, AGAIN, EDGE OF A BUILDING, I'M SORRY, LET'S GO BACK TO GO TO THE FOCUS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE FIRST PLANTED TREE HIGHER THAN JUST THE THIRD FLOOR PLANE AND A FIRM, A GROWN TREE TO HAVE ZERO VIEW AT ALL.
THE SECOND, AGAIN, WE'LL GO TO THE PUNCHLINE, WE'RE AT ABOUT HALFWAY UP THE THIRD STORY WITH A NEW TREE AND NO VIEW AT ALL.
OKAY? AND YOU'LL SEE THE GRADE STARTS TO GET DOWN A LITTLE CLOSER TO THAT OF FLAT THERE.
AS YOU GET FURTHER NORTH, IT JUMPS BACK UP AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO STEP THE GRADE HERE BASED UPON UTILITIES.
SO UTILITIES AS THEY DRAIN INTO THE RETENTION PONDS, THAT'S REALLY THE DRIVER HERE IN TERMS OF OUR, OUR HEIGHT FOR OUR PARKING LOTS.
AS WE GET THERE, WE SEE THAT THE, GOSH DARN, THIS IS A TOUCHY LITTLE DEVICE, ISN'T IT HERE? OKAY, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD FLOOR AND NOT IN NONE AT ALL.
WE ARE HAVING TO BUILD UP SOME DIRT HERE THAT FROM THE GROUND TO DO THAT.
SO HERE, IF YOU WERE TO CONTINUE THAT LINE, IT WOULD BE AGAIN AT ABOUT THE THIRD FLOOR PLANE AND ABOVE.
SO WE HAD TO SOLVE FOR A LOT OF CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS ON REPEAT, I'M REPEATING MYSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEDICATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT FORWARD TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY AND THEN I WILL BE QUIET AND LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, THE FENCE IS A SIX FOOT WOOD.
IT IS INTENDED TO BE NEW ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
WE DO STILL INTEND TO SPEAK TO EACH NEIGHBOR CUZ A LOT OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN FENCES AND IF THEY'D LIKE FOR THEIR REAR OF THEIR FENCE TO REMAIN, WE'VE GOT OUR FENCE THAT CAN JUST BYPASS BEHIND IT.
IF THEY WOULD LIKE THE FENCE, WE HAVE TO BE JUST A SINGLE POINT.
WE'LL EXTEND THAT FOOT AND A HALF DIFFERENCE TO OUR FENCE FOR THEM.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH EVERYBODY ON THAT.
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AND THEN, LET'S SEE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING.WE DID INCREASE THE PARKING AS, UH, COUNCIL HAD A CONCERN BASED UPON JUST THE SENIORS AND WANTING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARKING, MORE SENIORS DRIVING.
WE WERE PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT HITS THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.
I'M HERE FOR ANYTHING ELSE SHOULD YOU NEED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, I GUESS I'LL VERIFY.
SO JUST, AM I CORRECT ON THE, THE UNITS THAT ARE PERPENDICULAR TO THE HOUSES ARE, THE END CAPS ARE GONNA BE TWO STORY, NOT THREE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THESE TWO BUILDINGS HERE HAVE THE END CAPS AS TWOS.
THAT IS STILL THREE, BUT THEY'RE SIDE WINDOWS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY THE, THEIR EACH UNIT'S RESTROOM WINDOW.
BUT THESE ARE TWO, THREE IN THE MIDDLE, TWO ON THE EDGE, TWO, THREE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THE LOCATION OF THESE, OH BY THE WAY, IT'S 24 GARAGE SPACES, A NEW, A MISSED ONE.
UM, SO THREE BUILDINGS OF EIGHT EACH.
UM, AS WE DID THIS, IF YOU REMEMBER THIS IS A TREE GROVE WHERE THE ROAD BEHIND IT ACTUALLY STEPS BACK BEFORE IT COMES IN, DEAD ENDS.
SO WE TRIED TO PUT THESE GARAGES ACCORDING TO THE TREE GROVE SO THEY'RE NOT RIGHT BEHIND SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
AND WE ARE ALSO PERFECTLY ACCEPTING OF THE 40 FOOT CONDITION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES MA'AM.
I LIVE AT 6 0 82 AMBURY DRIVE, UM, WHICH IS TO THE WEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT THE STREET RIGHT TO THE WEST OF IT.
UM, I WAS HERE FOR THE ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING, THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, BUT NOW I'VE SEEN THE NEW PLAN THROUGH REVIS PLAN AND I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS IT AFFECTS THE PROPERTY ON BURY DRIVE.
AND OUR BACKYARDS AND BEYOND THAT, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS 37 FEET FROM OUR FENCES IN OUR BACKYARD TO THE GARAGES.
THERE IS ALL THAT LAND
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN? WHY? WHY DOES, WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE TO LOSE MORE OF WHAT'S BACK BEHIND THOSE FENCES? YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT LAND.
TAKE IT, TAKE IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN IS WHAT WE SAW.
THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE WERE TOLD TO LOOK AT.
WE TOOK ALL OUR, OUR CRITICISM, OUR HAPPINESS, WHATEVER FROM IT.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING'S BEING PUSHED BACK TOWARDS OUR LAND.
UM, THE FENCE, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, DID YOU, DID YOU SAY IT'S A CONTINUOUS OR IS THERE SPACES IN BETWEEN? IT'S CONTINUOUS.
UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE WOOD FENCE.
WE ALL KNOW YOU PUT UP A NICE WOOD FENCE.
IT LOOKS BLONDE, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, AND A YEAR LATER IT'S GRAY AND THE WOOD IS SPLITTING OFF FROM PIECES OF IT OR SPLITTING OFF FROM THE REST OF IT.
THIS IS GONNA BE A FENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE STURDY FOREVER.
WHY COULDN'T IT BE MADE OUT OF THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL? I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.
THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT DECKING IS MADE OUT OF NOW, IT'S STURDY.
YOU KNOW, I AM, I AM SO, SO VERY AFRAID THAT I'M GONNA BE LOOKING OUT AT A, AT A VERY GRAY, BAD LOOKING FENCE.
SPLIT PIECES OFF OF IT, PIECES HANGING BEHIND MY HOUSE AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE ONE, THE FENCE, ONE FOOT OFF MY PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EASEMENT USED TO BE OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
I'M THINKING MAYBE IT WAS 10 FEET AND NOW WE ARE REDUCED TO ONE FOOT OFF OF OUR FENCE FOR THE OTHER, FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FENCE.
UM, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE GRASS BETWEEN MY WOOD, MY METAL FENCE, AND
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THE ONE FOOT FARTHER AWAY FENCE? THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE ONE FOOT OF GRASS AREA IN THERE, ONE FOOT OF WEEDS.WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT? DO WE KNOW WHO'S GOING TO GET A SMALL ONE FOOT PERSON, ONE FOOT WIDE PERSON AND A ONE FOOT WIDE LAWNMOWER TO GET BETWEEN THOSE TWO FENCES?
WE'RE GONNA, WHEN WE EVEN SPEAK OF THE NEIGHBORS MM-HMM.
AND I UNDER, WE EXTEND THE SIDE FENCES AND IF THERE'S A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND MY METAL SIDE FENCE.
WE WOULD LIKE A RETURN OF WOOD, BUT IT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH EACH.
BECAUSE I, MY FENCE ALL AROUND MY HOUSE IS METAL.
NOW IF, IF I DISCONTINUE MY BACK FENCE, JUST THE BACK SECTION AND USE YOUR WOOD FENCE, WHO'S GOING TO EXTEND THE METAL FENCES ON THE SIDE OF MINE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WE WOULD EXTEND THE SIDE FENCES TO LEAD TO THAT FENCE.
BUT WOULD IT BE METAL? THAT'S WHAT YOU REQUEST? WE COULD MAKE A METAL TO MATCH AT EXPENSE.
NOW, IF WE DON'T WANT IT, IF I STILL WANT MY METAL FENCE AT THE BACK OF MY HOUSE, WHO'S GOING TO CUT THAT AREA IN BETWEEN THE TWO FENCES? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WE WOULD LIKE? THE REASON FENCES ARE PUT OFF IS SO THAT OUR FOOTS DIDN'T GET ONTO YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN EXCAVATION TO BOTH BUILD IT.
SO IF IN FACT SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT THERE, I DON'T, I'VE NEVER MET ANYBODY THAT CAN MO FOOT.
THAT'S MY SON IS SMALL AND GRASS, BUT HE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO ALL OF THAT SAID IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WHAT I WOULD ASSUME IS THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT, NOT LIKE THAT EXTENSION TO THE NEW TENANT.
YOU WOULD PULL YOUR FENCE BACK TO MY METAL FENCE AND I LOSE ANY VARIANCE IN BETWEEN BEYOND PROPERTY LINE, WHICH I BELIEVE MAY HAVE MADE ME CORRECT WITH YOUR VARIANCE QUESTIONS.
OR I BELIEVE A FENCE IS ALLOWED TO BE ON PROPERTY, BUT THEY CAN CONFIRM.
SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR FENCE ON MY PROPERTY LINE IF I DON'T AGREE TO, TO TAKE AWAY MY METAL FENCE AND USE YOURS, WHICH IS ONE FOOT OFF THE ONE MY FOOTINGS WOULD BE ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
IF I DON'T AGREE TO GET RID OF MY BACK FENCING, YOU'RE GONNA BUTT YOUR FENCE RIGHT UP AGAINST IT.
AND I LOSE ANY EASEMENT BEYOND MY, I SAY THAT IS CORRECT.
WE YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT BEHIND YOUR FENCE.
DON'T DO I HAVE AN EASEMENT BEHIND MY FENCE? WE DON'T.
WE DON'T WHAT YOU'RE, DO I HAVE AN EASEMENT BEHIND MY HAND REGULATE.
IT'D BE THE SAME AS IF YOUR NEIGHBOR PUT UP A FENCE RIGHT UP TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
SO I COULD, SO IF I DON'T, I COULD PUT MY FENCE 20 FEET OUT FARTHER IF I WANT TO.
YOU COULD PUT YOUR OFFENSE TO YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, SO I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THAT.
I'M NOT HAPPY WITH THOSE CHOICES BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M BEING TOLD THAT I HAVE TO LOSE MY METAL FENCE IN THE BACK AND I HAVE TO USE THEIR FENCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF FEELING, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY HE SAID YOU HAD A CHOICE, BUT YOU'LL MAKE THAT CHOICE WHENEVER HE COMES AND DISCUSS.
BUT IF I STILL DECIDE TO HAVE MY METAL FENCE, YOUR FENCE ONE FOOT OFF, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR WHO'S, WHO'S TAKING, IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO HAVE IT TO KEEP YOUR METAL FENCE RIGHT, HIS WOODEN FENCE WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR METAL FENCE.
YOU'RE ENCROACHING IN MY PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD BE NO ENCROACHMENT ON YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, STILL DON'T LIKE THE KIND OF FENCE.
UM, NOW IT'S EVEN CLOSER AND I'M GONNA SEE THIS UGLY GRAY SPLIT FENCE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE ON THERE.
UM, IN THE REVISED THESE PICTURES, EVERYTHING'S SLOPING DOWN TO OUR BACKYARDS.
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I SEE.ALL THE RUNOFF OFF THESE MOUNDS IS JUST GONNA GO RIGHT DOWN INTO OUR BACKYARD.
NO FENCE CAN STOP THAT, THAT QUESTION.
SO THIS, I SEE ALL THESE, I SEE TRADITION YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE 20 FEET OF RUN THAT IS GOING TO BE PERMITABLE.
SO THE GRASS WILL BE GRASS GO INTO THAT VERSUS THAT OF 480 FEET RUN CURRENTLY.
SO WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT'S DOING FOR YOU GUYS IS IT'S PREVENTING THE RUNOFF THAT CURRENTLY OCCURRING RUNNING BACK TO YOUR PROPERTY IN A SIGNIFICANT MANNER BY CODE, CATCHING IT, IMPROVING IT, SUCH THAT THE CURRENT WATER ISSUES THE RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING, THEY WILL NO LONGER EXPERIENCE.
EVEN THOUGH ALL THE WATER'S COMING OFF THESE FIVE FOOT PRIME MEN, I'D SAY PROBABLY 3% OF THE EXISTING CONDITION IS COMING TOWARD YOU STILL.
UM, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE OH, OKAY.
UM, SINCE YOU'VE MADE ALL THESE CHANGES, YOU KNOW HOW FAR EVERYTHING IS AND, AND ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE EASEMENT FOR, UM, UTILITIES? UTILITY TRUCKS? THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO GET BACK THERE.
AND GET TO OUR PHONE LINES AND OUR, THEY'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET BACK THERE BETTER CUZ THEY WILL BE PARKED ON THEIR PARKING LOT AND THEN WALK BACK THERE RATHER THAN DRIVING THROUGH THE OKAY.
WELL YOU'VE GOT POWER OUTAGES.
THEY GOTTA BRING BIG TRUCKS BACK THERE.
THEY WILL THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM WITHOUT PUTTING RUT IN THE GRASS AND CREATING NEW GUTTERS FOR WATER? CORRECT.
HOW WOULD THEY DO THAT? THEY WILL PARK IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND HOW DO THEY GET TO THE POLES THAT OUR HOUSE HAS BEEN? WELL, THE PARCELS ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY STILL HAVE BOOM TRUCKS WHERE THEY WILL CLIMB THE POLE AND THEY CAN GO FROM THE PARKING, THEY CAN GET THIS TRUCK FROM THE PARK, I MEAN MEAN THE
MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TRUCK.
THE, THE UTILITY TRUCK'S PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND MY HOUSE IS OVER HERE WITH MY POLE, MY UTILITY POLE.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET FROM THERE TO THERE? THERE WILL STILL BE PLENTY OF ACCESS FOR THEM TO, FOR THE UTILITIES TO, TO GET THERE.
BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THAT ACCESS A ROAD JUST GOING THROUGH THE GRASS.
IT WILL DEPEND ON WHERE THE UTILITY POLE IS LOCATED.
WELL RIGHT NOW I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
IT WILL, IF ANYTHING, THE THE ACCESS WILL BE IMPROVED.
UM, BUT FOR THE UTILITY WORKERS TO, TO GET TO THE TRANSFORMERS AND OTHER LINE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AFTER THE FACT ON THE SITE PLANTS.
UM, AND ALSO ALL OF A SUDDEN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M MISSISSIPPI THIS BEFORE, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A DOG PARK BEHIND THE APARTMENTS.
WAS THAT IN THE ORIGINAL PART? WHAT WAS IT? I MISSED THAT BEFORE.
UM, JUST A COUPLE IF I HAVE ANY MORE.
THE LIGHT POLES WENT FROM 25 FOOT TO 25TH.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE 20 FEET IN THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
CUZ I HAD MY, I HAD BEFORE THAT YOU HAD TOLD US THEY WERE 25, SO, OKAY.
AND I'M, I'M WITH, WITH MS. VAGO HERE ABOUT THE PARKING FOR THE SENIOR SENT THE SENIORS DEVELOPMENT, UM, 55 AND OLDER.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WORK STILL.
UM, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING.
I SEE THAT LIKE ONE CAR PER APARTMENT FOR THE SEEN THING.
WELL IF, IF YOU'RE LIVING THERE, YOU GOT AT LEAST TWO CARS FOR PEOPLE LIVING.
ARE, ARE YOU RESTRICTING THIS TO BEING ONE PERSON PER THAT? WE HAVE, THE FOUR THAT WE HAVE OPEN RIGHT NOW ARE THE ONLY 65% OF OUR RESIDENTS EVEN HAVE, AND MOST OF THE, THE AVERAGE AGE COMING IN IS BETWEEN, UM, 67 AND 75.
BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT BIG REALITY.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS GONNA LIMIT PEOPLE LIVING THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO, OH, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
I'M GONNA GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF IT DOES, THAT'S, I, IT'S A RISK CHOICE AND I HOPE, HOPE WE DON'T REALIZE.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN EMPTY BUILDING THERE BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE THERE.
CAUSE IT'S NOT PARKING FOR NOW.
I DON'T WANT ANYMORE PARKING BECAUSE I'M GONNA AFRAID YOU'RE GONNA TAKE SOME MORE LAND GOING BACKWARDS FOR PARKING.
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YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANYMORE, BUT NOT A AWAY FROM OPENING ANOTHER ONE HERE TO LEAN OVER INTO LION ONE IN BEAVER CREEK.YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THE BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY LOOK AND EVERYTHING.
DID SHE SIGN IN? MA DID YOU SIGN IN? DID YOU SIGN IN? OH YES I DID.
DID I MAKE A COMMENT? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? UM, I DID A TOUR.
I THANK THEM VERY MUCH FOR GIVING COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OVER AND LOOK AT THE FACILITY.
AND THANK YOU, AARON, FOR THE WONDERFUL BRIEFING ON THE LINE OF SIGHT.
THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S VERY GOOD.
UM, THE FACILITY THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS UNLIKE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
THEY HAVE, I THINK IN BEAVER CREEK YOU PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN 30% THAT ARE WORKING, DON'T YOU? UH, OF WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE OLDER THAN 55, THEY'RE STILL WORKING, BUT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE FACILITY, IT'S LIKE GOING INTO A MARKETPLACE.
IT'S GOT STOREFRONTS IN EACH OF THE AREAS.
YOU CAN GO OVER HERE, THERE'S A POST OFFICE, THERE'S A FITNESS CENTER, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP, THERE'S A PET STORE.
AND WHEN YOU GO IN THE PET STORE, YOU CAN GO OUT IN THE BACK AND THERE'S A BATHING CENTER FOR YOUR DOG.
AND THEN IN THE BACK THERE'S A LITTLE FENCED IN AREA WHERE YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR DOG.
UM, BUT IT, IT IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S SO AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND IT'S MORE LIKE A HOTEL BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO UP IN THE UPPER SECTIONS AND THERE ARE ELEVATORS, YOU GO INTO THE UPPER SECTION, THERE'S, UH, LAUNDRY FACILITIES.
THERE'S ALSO A FULL UP OF FITNESS CENTER IN THERE.
UH, IT IS JUST, IT'S MORE LIKE BEING IN A HOTEL.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL BE A GREAT ASSET TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
I THINK IT WILL BE VERY WELL RECEIVED.
THAT AND AFTER GOING THERE, I HAD INITIAL RESERVATIONS ABOUT PARKING.
I DON'T REALLY ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE ARE THIS PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTS THAT DON'T, DON'T HAVE A CAR.
AND, BUT OF COURSE IN GREEN COUNTY, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO CAT, YOU KNOW, TO GO ANYWHERE THAT THEY WANT, BUT THERE'S NO, UM, COMMUNAL, UM, OR CONGREGATE EATING THERE.
EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING, BUT THERE IS A ROOM WHERE THEY COULD RESERVE TO HAVE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, AND, AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL FLOCK TO THAT.
AND THEY EVEN MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING SOME PATIOS ON THE IN, IN APARTMENTS, WHICH, UM, WOULD PROBABLY GO VERY QUICKLY.
AND, UM, THE RATES TO ME, UH, SEEM VERY REASONABLE IF I'M QUOING THEM RIGHT.
THE SINGLE BEDROOM IS LIKE 1100 AND THAT INCLUDES UTILITIES.
THE TWO BEDROOMS, LIKE 1400 AGAIN.
UM, I THINK IT'S PRIME, IT'S PRIME FOR WHAT WE, UH, HAVE HERE AND IT WILL BE A REAL ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'D LIKE TO VERIFY ONE THING.
THESE ARE ALL RENTALS, THE APARTMENT AND THE SENIOR LIVING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT FOR APPROVE OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 135 UNIT SENIOR COMMUNITY AND A 192 UNIT MARKET RATE COMMUNITY ON A COMBINED 15.56 ACRES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 62 0 9 BRAND PIKE, THE REAR, LOTS OF FORMER MARION SHOPPING CENTER CASE DDP 22 DASH 34 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2022, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
MOVED BY MS. THOMAS, SECOND BY, UH, MS. VAGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE
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MR. JEFFRIES? YES.WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, AND WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE VOTE OR ANYTHING.
THE, UH, THIS, THE PLANS ARE ACTUALLY STA STAMPED AUGUST 22ND, NOT SEPTEMBER.
WE WILL JUST MAKE A NOTE OF THAT IN THE MINUTES.
UH, AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL SUBMIT, UM, UPDATED, UH, WELL REALLY JUST UPDATED PLANS, RECOGNIZING THE, UH, THE NEW EASEMENT AS FAR AS, UH, AS WELL AS ANY, UH, REPLAT INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE TO SUBDIVIDE THE LAND.
UH, AND THEN, UM, SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS, ZONING, UH, PERMITS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS YARD AND COMPANY PRESENTATION, MR. CRE? YEAH, SO, UH, I JUST WANNA, UM, JOE NICHOL IS HERE WITH YARD AND COMPANY, UH, WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS AS WELL AS DISCUSS THE, UH, COMP PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE WITH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO JOE AND TAKE IT AWAY.
UH, MY NAME'S JOE NICHOL, USE OF ARROW KEYS.
YEAH, THAT SEEMED LIKE A DANGEROUS MOUSE.
JOE NICHOL PRINCIPAL, UH, WITH YARD COMPANY.
UH, WHEN I WAS LAST, UH, IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, I WAS ABLE TO JUST GIVE A BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION AND AN OVERVIEW OF THE JOURNEY THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO GO ON, UH, WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, BASICALLY CHECK IN AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE.
AND NOW THAT WE'RE JUST OVER HALFWAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS, HOW IT'S GOING, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EMERGING AS KIND OF RECURRING THEMES AND OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO THAT AS WE LOOK TO THE SECOND HALF OF THIS PROCESS AND START MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND REFINING THOSE, UH, WITH STAFF IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT YOU ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY ABLE TO SHAPE IT AND, AND, UH, PROVIDE INPUT AS WE GET INTO IT.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS PACKET WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.
I'M NOT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, SO LEMME JUST SAY THAT.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'VE BEEN SINCE WE WERE LAST IN TOUCH.
UH, WE'VE CONDUCTED A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UH, PHYSICAL AND ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS.
WE'VE DEVELOPED A BRAND, A LOOK, FEEL FOR, UH, THE PLANNING PROCESS ITSELF, UH, SO THAT IT'S RECOGNIZABLE AND ACCESSIBLE AND APPROACHABLE BY ALL INVOLVED.
AND WE'VE CREATED AND, UH, LAUNCHED INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A, WHAT WE CALL MULTI-CHANNEL, UH, ENGAGEMENT PLAN THAT MEETS PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, UH, THAT SOLICITS, UH, INPUT.
IT'S AN INVITATION TO START A CONVERSATION AND ULTIMATELY HAS GIVEN US A LOT OF GREAT INSIGHT THAT HAS INSPIRED US AND GUIDED US, UH, ALONG OUR WAY.
UH, I MENTIONED WE'RE JUST OVER THE HALFWAY POINTS.
SO WE'RE IN THE LATTER STAGES OF WHAT WE CALL THE TESTING PHASE, WHERE WE'RE TESTING IDEAS, UH, AS WE LOOK TO, UH, THE NEXT, UH, MONTH AND BEYOND THAT IS WHEN WE'LL BE MAKING OUR, UM, FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION AND THEN ULTIMATELY APPROVAL AS YOUR UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UH, JUST TO KIND OF START AT THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE STORY, UH, HERE AND, AND THINGS THAT WE STARTED LOOKING AT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON HOW MUCH THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SINCE YOU'VE LAST ADOPTED, UH, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, SO SINCE, UH, THE PLAN WAS LAST CREATED, UH, JUST OVER A DECADE AGO, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BUSY.
YOU'VE BUILT A LOT OF AMAZING AMENITIES THAT HAVE BECOME A DRAW FOR VISITORS, NEW RESIDENTS, NEW EMPLOYERS, UH, NEW AMENITIES AND SERVICES, UH, COMING TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, YOU'VE BEEN BUSY PLANNING, UH, IN FACT IT WAS KIND OF JUST A PURE ACCIDENT, BUT ONE OF THE PLACES THAT YOU'VE BEEN PLANNING IS THAT AREA AROUND, UH, BRAND PIKE IN THE BRAND REVITALIZATION PLAN.
UH, YOU'VE HAD PLANS, UH, FOR, UH, OTHER SIGNIFICANT AREAS IN THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, HOUSEHOLDS IN HUBER HEIGHTS ARE GETTING, UH, IN OUR WORDS, UH, MORE COMPLEX.
UH, THEY'RE GETTING A BIT OLDER.
UH, ON AVERAGE, ABOUT THREE YEARS OLDER PER, UH, UH, RESIDENT EARNINGS ARE
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STAYING STAGNANT.UH, SO THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED MUCH.
UH, THEY'RE GETTING MORE MIXED, MEANING MORE MULTI-GENERATIONAL ARE LIVING WITHIN ONE, UH, UNDER ONE ROOF.
UH, AND THEY ARE GETTING SMALLER.
EVEN AMID BECOMING MORE MULTI-GENERATIONAL, THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSE IS ACTUALLY SHRINKING.
TRANSPORTATION COSTS ARE STARTING TO COMPETE WITH HOUSING COSTS OVERALL.
UH, BOTH OF THESE COSTS ARE WELL WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABILITY, PARTICULARLY ON THE HOUSING SIDE, BUT I WILL SAY 26%, UH, SPENT ON HOUSING OR ON TRANSPORTATION RATHER FOR A HOUSEHOLD, IS PUSHING THE UPPER LIMITS OF WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE, UH, IN A HOUSEHOLD ABSORB.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON.
UH, ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THAT TRANSPORTATION COST IS, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE LEAVE EVERY DAY TO WORK.
SO ESSENTIALLY EVERY DAY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY BEST THOUGHT OF BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, WE HAVE LESS FIRM DATA FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED DURING AND, AND SINCE.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, JUST AS MANY PEOPLE LEAVING TO GO TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE REGION, MOSTLY, UH, SOUTH OF HERE AS YOU DO PEOPLE COMING IN EVERY DAY TO WORK IN HUBER HEIGHTS, MOSTLY COMING FROM THE NORTH.
UH, VERY INTERESTING, UM, PHENOMENAL, ALMOST ONE TO ONE.
I MENTIONED THE PANDEMICS EFFECT.
UH, IN A PLACE LIKE HUBER HEIGHTS, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE LONG TERM EFFECT IS ON GOING TO BE ON THINGS LIKE, UH, WORKING FROM HOME, UH, OR COMMUTING PATTERNS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I WILL SAY YOUR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION IN YOUR REGION SETS YOU UP PRETTY WELL BECAUSE THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEKING TO AVOID WHEN MAKING THE DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO GO INTO THE OFFICE OR NOT IS HOW SHORT IS MY COMMUTE.
AND MOST MUCH OF YOUR, UM, COMMUTERS, UH, HAVE A, UH, RELATIVELY SHORT COMMUTE, UH, COMPARED TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE FURTHER OUT FROM SAY, DOWNTOWN DAYTON.
UH, ONE THING THAT'S, UH, CAN'T BE UNDERSTATED, UH, SINCE LAST PLAN WAS ADOPTED IS THE UNIVERSAL ADOPTION OF THE SMARTPHONE.
UH, WHEN YOU LAST ADOPTED YOUR PLAN, VERY FEW OF US HAD IPHONES OR ANY KIND OF SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY.
THEY WERE FAIRLY NOVEL AT THE TIME.
NOW EVERYTHING FROM HOW WE MOVE AROUND, HOW WE DISCOVER WHERE TO GO TO EAT, HOW WE BUY AND SHOP, UH, FOR THINGS, UH, HAS ALL KIND OF MIGRATED TO SOMETHING WE HOLD IN OUR HAND.
AND THAT THE FIRST THING THAT WE, UH, SEE OR EXPERIENCE ABOUT A PLACE, IF WE'RE NEW TO IT USUALLY COMES EITHER THROUGH THE INTERNET OR, UH, WE MORE LIKELY IN OUR HANDHELD DEVICE.
SO THAT IS JUST CHANGING HOW WE THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY, HOW WE THINK ABOUT PLACE, HOW WE THINK ABOUT WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE INTO PLACES, UH, HOW WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ANOTHER, UH, ONE ANOTHER ABOUT CHANGE.
SO A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
IT KIND OF SETS THE STAGE FOR, UH, THE WORK THAT WE'RE ALL DOING TOGETHER.
UH, SINCE WE LAST MET, UH, WE'VE, UH, CONVENED A NUMBER OF, UH, MEETINGS AND FOCUS GROUPS AND HAVE HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH A, A FANTASTIC STEERING COMMITTEE AS WELL AS CITY STAFF.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN TOGETHER WITH, UH, A NUMBER OF FOCUS GROUPS THAT HAVE HELPED US BECOME SMARTER, LEVERAGING THEIR EXPERTISE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF POPUPS, UH, SHOWING UP AT EXISTING EVENTS, COMMUNITY EVENTS, UH, GETTING IN FRONT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT HOLD.
AND THEN WE'VE DROPPED OFF MATERIALS AT DOZENS OF PLACES, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT, UH, WITH THE PLANNING PROCESS.
AND WE'VE HAD FANTASTIC RESULTS.
UH, WHAT WE'VE HEARD, HEARD FROM STAFF IS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY BEEN ONE OF THE, THE MOST ACTIVE, IMMERSIVE AND SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CAMPAIGNS THAT THE CITY HAS ENGAGED ON.
WE'VE HAD OVER 500, UH, SURVEY RESPONSES BOTH ONLINE AND OFFLINE, UH, AND THE NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS ACROSS AGE GROUPS AND, AND AFFILIATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME OF THE MOST COMMON RESPONSES, UH, TO THOSE SURVEY QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.
WE'VE ALSO HAD REALLY GOOD GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS HEAT MAP WHERE WE'RE GETTING MOST OF THE RESPONSES FROM, UH, SAY SURVEYS OR MEETING AT EVENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN TERMS OF STRENGTHS, YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE, UH, KIND OF CLOSE THEIR EYES AND THINK ABOUT ALL THE, THE GREAT ASSETS AND AMENITIES AND STRENGTHS OF THE COMMUNITY, IT'S PRETTY WELL DISTRIBUTED ON THE REVERSE, UH, WHERE THERE ARE CHALLENGES OR, OR PERCEIVED WEAKNESSES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE START TO CLUSTER A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE EAST TO THE SOUTH.
AND ALONG, UH, TROY PIKE, WE ALSO WERE GIVEN A LOT OF INSIGHTS AND DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE TO SPEND, UH, A LOT OF OUR FOCUS AND IN INVESTMENT PRIORITIES IN THE FUTURE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT STARTS TO ALIGN WITH MAJOR THOROUGH FARES NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTH OF 70, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OUT EAST, UH,
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TOWARDS THE EAST AND EDGE OF TOWN.AND THEN THIS WAS A, THIS HAS A LOT FEWER DOTS.
UH, THIS WAS AN EXERCISE THAT WE JUST DID WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, LEVERAGING THERE, UH, PERSPECTIVE AND EXPERTISE ON THE AREAS OF TOWN THAT ARE EXPERIENCING KIND OF THE MOST RAPID PACE OF CHANGE IN, IN, UH, PACE OF GROWTH.
SO ALL OF THAT RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS THEN STARTED TO, UH, PERMIT US TO, TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, WHERE, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WHAT ARE WE HEARING TIME AND TIME AGAIN? WHAT ARE WE SEEING IN THE DATA? AND WHAT ARE WE SEEING BASED ON OUR, UH, OBSERVATIONS AND, AND EVALUATIONS WHERE GROWTH, UH, MIGHT BE FOCUSED AND WHERE WE MIGHT START THINKING ABOUT FOCUSING FUTURE POLICY AND, AND EMPHASIS IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD.
SO I'M JUST GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE FOUR AREAS OF FOCUS.
THE FIRST IS THIS IDEA OF BUILDING LOCAL WALKABILITY AND REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.
UH, YOU HAVE A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY ENHANCE IN A WAY THAT YOU HAVE REALLY ACCOMPLISHED YET INTERNAL CONNECTIONS WITHIN HUB HEIGHTS, MAKING IT EASIER FOR ME TO GET FROM MY HOUSE TO WHERE I NEED TO GO, YOU KNOW, TO RUN ERRAND, TO GO TO THE LIBRARY, TO GO TO SCHOOL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT YOU ALSO SIT ON, UH, ONE OF THE C'S MOST AMAZING TRAIL NETWORKS AND, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT CONNECTED TO IT REALLY AT ALL.
YOU KIND OF SIT ON THE BEACH, BUT YOU'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE BEACH.
AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THIS PLAN TO REALLY FOCUS ON CREATING THOSE CONNECTIONS, NOT JUST AT THE EDGES, BUT LINK AT ALL ASPECTS OF TOWN INTO, UH, THAT AMAZING REGIONAL TRAIL AND GREENWAY NETWORK.
UH, WE'VE HEARD, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC.
UM, AND SO GOING FROM THIS IDEA OF KINDA BEING REALLY CONSTRAINED AND SECOND TRAFFIC TO REALLY FOCUSING ON CREATING MORE CHOICE AND FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT AROUND TOWN, AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE STATE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS JUST RELEASED THIS GUIDE FOR MORE WALKABLE, BIKEABLE, TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE STREETS THAT IS FORMING KIND OF A NEW BASELINE FOR HOW WE THINK ABOUT MULTIMODAL STREET DESIGN, UH, STANDARDS.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HUBER HEIGHTS TO, IN A WAY, BE ONE OF THE LEADERS STATEWIDE IN ADOPTING THIS NEW STANDARD FOR STREET DESIGN.
UM, SO JUST TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THAT INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY FOR A SECOND AND HOW WE THEN LEVERAGED THAT CONNECTIVITY TO CONNECT TO THE BROADER REGIONAL NETWORK.
SO WHAT WE'VE MAPPED HERE, UH, ON THIS, UH, EXHIBIT IS ALL OF THE DESTINATIONS, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND, UH, THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS DESTINATIONS THAT PEOPLE, UH, FREQUENT TODAY IN, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS, BOTH KIND OF LOCAL DESTINATIONS AS WELL AS MORE REGIONAL ONES.
AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, UH, CONSIDER AND STARTING TO LINK THEM UP, UH, THROUGH A, UH, A TRAIL NETWORK.
AND SO THE FIRST ONE WE LOOKED AT WAS UP NORTH.
UH, SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS THERE.
ONE IS TO LOOK AT CARRIAGE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A FAIRLY WIDE FACILITY, ALREADY HAS SIDEWALKS IN IT, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF THE BARE MINIMUM FOR SIDEWALKS.
AND USING THAT AS WELL AS SOME CONNECTIVITY WEST OF, UH, TROY DOWN INTO TAYLORSVILLE, UH, METRO PARK TO ACTUALLY CREATE, CREATE THIS POWERFUL CONNECTION BETWEEN YOUR TWO METRO PARKS.
IT'D BE A REALLY AMAZING ASSET FOR THE EMPLOYERS IN BETWEEN THERE FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE AS WELL AS, UH, METRO PARK, UH, PATRONS WHO ALREADY, UH, HOLD UP.
UH, THE, UH, AND BLINKING ON, IS IT, IT'S CARRIAGE HILLS? YEAH, CARRIAGE HILLS TO THE EAST, UH, THAT'S ALREADY ONE OF THE MOST, THEIR NETWORK'S, MOST POPULAR METRO PARKS TO ANOTHER AMAZING METRO PARK AT TAYLORSVILLE AND CONNECT IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UH, TOWN.
THE SECONDER OPTION, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ONE ON, UH, FIVE RIVERS METRO PARKS.
UM, UH, MASTER PLANS IS A VERY CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN, IS ACTUALLY TAKING A MORE DIRECT LINE.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING.
HOWEVER, THE DOWN, UH, DOWNSIDE OF THIS IS THAT THIS USES A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND SIGNS AS YOUR PRIMARY WAY OF MAKING THAT CONNECTION.
AND THAT HAS AN INHERENT WEAKNESSES WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN EIGHT YEAR OLD, UH, MAKING THAT PATH OR AN 80 YEAR OLD, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO ENDS.
IF YOU DESIGN IT FOR AN EIGHT 80 YEAR OLD, EVERYBODY ELSE IN BETWEEN WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO USE IT.
SO I HAD SOME LIMITATIONS THERE, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT NOT ALL OF THOSE STREETS EXIST QUITE YET.
LOOKING AT THE SOUTH, THERE ARE ALSO, UH, OPTIONS.
UH, WE THINK THAT, UH, THE BEST OPTION TO THINK ABOUT MAKING A SOUTHERN CONNECTION EAST WEST IS LONG CHAMBERSBURG.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THROUGH KIND OF INCREMENTAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, SITE, UH, PLAN APPROVALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU'RE ALREADY STARTING TO APPROVE, UH, AND IMPLEMENT, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE SOLID LINES.
AND THEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THAT NETWORK FURTHER EAST AND THEN THINK ABOUT GETTING, UH, DOWN NEAR WHERE RIP WRAP, UH, IS, UH, A CONNECTION ALREADY TO A TRAIL HEAD ON THE FIBER RIVER METRO PARK SYSTEM.
SO YOU'VE GOT THAT TRAILHEAD TO THE WEST, AND NOW IT'S A MATTER OF CONNECTING IT UP INTO THE EAST
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INTO TOWN.AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS, UH, TO THINK ABOUT AS WELL.
BUT, UH, WE, AGAIN, WE THINK CHAMBERSBURG, UH, IS THE, THE BEST BET THINKING THAT SOUTHERN ROUTE FOR THAT SOUTHERN ROUTE, EAST WEST LOOKING FOR THAT COMPLIMENT TO THE METRO PARKS, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM TO THE WEST.
HOW DO WE CONNECT NORTH SOUTH, UH, MORE AT THE HEART OF TOWN? UH, BRANT PIKE, WE THINK HAS A HUGE UPSIDE IN THINKING ABOUT IT AS A, UH, MULTIMODAL CONNECTION.
IT'S GOT A WIDE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S GOT A LOT OF DESTINATIONS ON IT.
UH, YOU'RE ALREADY REASSESSING CURB CUTS ALONG THERE TO MAKE IT A MORE PLEASURABLE, UH, PASSAGE.
AND YOU'VE GOT A, A SIZABLE UNDERPASS UNDER 70 TO GET TO THE NORTH.
UH, SO THAT HAS, AND YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF PLANNING AT BOTH ENDS OF THIS.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS COMING ALONG THIS FUTURE ALIGNMENT.
ANOTHER OPTION, UH, WOULD BE FURTHER TO THE EAST, UH, AT BELL, I ALWAYS SAY BELFONT, IT'S BELL FOUNTAIN, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, I ALWAYS HAVE TO CATCH MYSELF.
AND HERE YOU'VE GOT A, UH, CON A CONNECTION ISSUE AT 70, UH, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY INTIMATE BRIDGE TO SAY, SPEAK ABOUT IT KINDLY.
UH, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO MAKE A TRAIL CONNECTION OVER THAT CURRENT FACILITY AND WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE AN APPENDAGE TO THAT BRIDGE OR REPLACEMENT OF THAT BRIDGE TO FULLY ACCOMMODATE THIS.
BUT IT'S GOT A COOL LANDING SPOT WHEN YOU GET TO THE NORTH OF 70, AND THEN YOU'RE INTO CARRIAGE HILLS METRO PARK.
UM, FROM THERE, REGARDLESS OF SOME OF THE DETAILS OF WHICH ROUTES YOU CHOOSE, WE THINK THE OPPORTUNITY THAT SITS BEFORE YOU FROM A CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT IS TO CREATE A 14 AND A HALF MILE LOOP OVER A SERIES OF INCREMENTAL STEPS THAT OVER TIME COULD BE AN AMAZING AMENITY FOR ALL CORNERS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND A GREAT WAY TO TAP INTO THAT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY NETWORK THAT FIBERS METRO PARKS IN THE REGIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM PROVIDES YOU.
OF COURSE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST TRAILS, UH, THAT MAKE A GREAT WALKABLE BIKEABLE, AND FRANKLY, EVEN BETTER FOR CAR, UH, PLACE.
HAVING THE RIGHT STREET STANDARDS, UH, AT YOUR DISPOSAL IS, IS ESSENTIAL.
I MENTIONED SOME OF THE O DOT STANDARDS THAT ARE JUST COMING OUT.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REALLY, UH, MAKE THEM YOURS AND, AND TAILOR THEM TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN YOUR EXISTING INVENTORY OF WHAT ARE CALLED THOROUGH FAIR STANDARDS, AND WE'VE SIMPLIFIED THEM A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE BROUGHT THEM INTO KIND OF CURRENT THINKING ABOUT STREET DESIGN, AND WE'VE ALSO KIND OF WEEDED OUT THE ONES THAT, GIVEN HOW MUCH YOU'VE GROWN OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, MAY NOT BE SOMETHING YOU DESIRE OR ARE BUILDING, UH, AFTER ALL THIS YEAR A YEARS GROWTH.
SO THIS IS THE WIDEST ONE, UH, THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THINGS LIKE BRAND OR, UH, OLD TROY, UH, IF YOU WERE TO REBUILD SECTIONS OF THOSE STREETS, THESE ARE SOME OPTIONS YOU COULD, UH, CONSIDER FOR FACILITIES LIKE THAT.
A MAJOR COLLECTOR, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL THE HUB HEIGHT SPECIAL.
UH, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF TODAY, THIS THREE LANE SECTION, UH, SOMETIMES WITH THE CENTRAL MEDIA AND SOMETIMES WITH JUST THE CONTINUOUS TURNING LANE.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT, UH, MORE GENEROUS PEDESTRIAN AND LANDSCAPE ACCOMMODATIONS WITHIN THAT SAME, UH, SECTION HERE, WE'RE GETTING TO MORE LOCALLY SERVING STREETS.
SO THIS ONE'S A MINOR COLLECTOR, A TWO-LANE SECTION.
UH, AGAIN, NOT LOSING SIGHT OF THIS ABILITY TO CREATE THAT, UH, MULTIMODAL PATH OR GENEROUS SIDEWALK, UH, THROUGHOUT.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A STREET THAT, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER MAY COME IN WITH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, THIS WOULD BE A LOCAL SERVING NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, UM, AND HOW THAT MIGHT, UM, HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST, UH, AREA OF GROWTH IS IN, IN CONNECTIVITY.
THE SECOND IS FINDING OUR CENTERS.
A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, UH, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH, UM, WAS THIS SENSE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CENTRAL IDENTITY.
WE DON'T HAVE A CENTRAL KIND OF CORE OR PLACE THAT WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY WITH.
UM, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS GROWN OVER TIME, UH, YOU ACTUALLY AREN'T A SINGLE, YOU DON'T HAVE A SINGLE CENTER.
YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CENTERS OF, OF ENERGY THAT ARE STARTING TO EMERGE.
AND WE THINK THAT THROUGH THIS NEXT COMP PLAN, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EMBRACE THAT.
UM, SO THE FIRST SET WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AND THESE ARE KIND OF JUST WORKING TITLES TO KIND OF GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IN EACH OF THESE CENTERS IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LIVE LOCAL CENTER.
THIS IS KIND OF THAT AREA THAT INCORPORATES THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, UH, AND THE MARION MEADOWS AREA WHERE THE NEW LIBRARIES IS COMING.
UM, AND THERE'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL THERE THAT REALLY SERVES, UH, KIND OF LOCAL HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, NEEDS AND SERVICES.
UH, THE SECOND, THIS HAS GOT REALLY IMAGINATIVE TITLE TO IT, IT'S CALLED WORK.
UM, THIS IS ALONG YOUR EASTERN FLANK WHERE THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY REGULARLY OCCURRING, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT, UH, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THAT'S STARTING TO TAKE PLACE IN, IN MORE, UH, APPARENT IN THE PIPELINE THAT IS INTERESTED IN THAT FRONTAGE AND THAT PROXIMITY
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TO REGIONAL DESTINATIONS.UH, LIKE THE BASE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PLAY.
UH, THIS IS THE AREA OR LONG EXECUTIVE, UH, AND SPANNING TO THE SOUTH OF 70, UH, NEAR AND ON KIND OF THE PARCEL DATA, WALMART OCCUPIES.
UH, THIS IS A PLACE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE ROWS HAPPEN, YOU'VE GOT A HOTEL, YOU'VE GOT RESTAURANTS, BREWERIES THAT ARE SHOWING INTEREST THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE Y YOU'VE GOT THE ADJACENCY TO, UH, THE METRO PARKS.
UH, YOU'VE JUST GOT THIS REALLY AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A, UH, A MORE PLAYFUL ENVIRONMENT, ENTERTAINMENT, HOSPITALITY FOCUSED, AND SOME OF THE MARKET ENERGY HAS BEEN KIND OF ALREADY GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO EMBRACE THAT.
ALSO ENJOYS REALLY GOOD HIGHWAY ACCESS.
AND THEN ONE THAT'S BEEN, UH, TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT LESS, UH, IN A MIDDLE ITALY PART.
PART OF THAT REASON IS BECAUSE PART OF IT IS OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, UH, TODAY IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING YOUR RIVERFRONT.
UH, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS FAIRLY UNDERDEVELOPED.
UH, IT HAS AREA THAT IS LARGELY UNDER SOME KIND OF PUBLIC CONTROL, UH, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, UH, RELATED TO ONE OF YOUR UTILITIES, I BELIEVE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, ENJOYS REALLY GREAT PROXIMITY TO THE METRO PARK.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AND GROWTH POTENTIAL, THINKING ABOUT THIS ALONG ONE OF THOSE, PERHAPS THAT TRAIL NETWORK THAT COMES INTO TOWN AND THE AMAZING ADJACENCY TO A GREAT NATURAL FEATURE LIKE THAT, UH, METRO PARK HAS A REALLY GREAT UNTAPPED POTENTIAL UNDER THE RIGHT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO.
OKAY? SO IF WE'VE ESTABLISHED OUR CORES, THEN WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND HUBER HEIGHTS IS FORTUNATE IN THAT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS BUILT UP OVER TIME.
IT'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD DIVERSITY OF NEIGHBORHOOD TYPES, OF BUILDING AGES OF, UH, LOTS TYPES, UH, AND AGES AND VINTAGES.
UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE GROWTH OF HUBER HEIGHTS, TO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF SOME OF THE CHARACTER, UH, THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL AND START TO ALIGN OUR POLICIES SUCH AS ZONING, UH, AND OTHER MECHANISMS THAT GUIDE AND SHAPE GROWTH TO BE REALLY, UH, INTENTIONAL AROUND MAINTAINING AND ENHANCING, UH, THE BUILT AND NATURAL CHARACTER OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND SO, FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE REALLY URGING US AS A COMMUNITY TO SHIFT AWAY FROM THINKING ABOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT AS JUST LAND USES, THAT WE POP DOWN ON THE MAP AND GET BUILT TO DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT SPEAK TO MORE THAN JUST WHAT THE USE IS, BUT TALKS ABOUT SCALE, TALKS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, TALKS ABOUT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IN A WAY THAT'S MUCH MORE PREDICTABLE, A AS, UM, KIND OF A FUTURE PATTERN FOR GROWTH.
UH, AND SO WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT AROUND THOSE FOUR CENTERS, WE START THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AREAS A BIT, START TO SHAPE WHAT REINVESTMENT OR, OR NEW GROWTH LOOKS LIKE WITHIN THEM.
AND SO THE FIRST AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, IS, UH, THE AREA ALONG, UH, OLD TROY, UH, THE REGIONAL, WHAT WE'RE CALLING REGIONAL COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS LARGELY BUILT OUT AS A KIND OF STRIP AND, AND, AND MEDIUM SIZED BOX ENVIRONMENT.
UH, OVER TIME, WE WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE AND SUGGEST THAT THAT, UH, BECOMES INTENSIFIED, REINVESTED IN.
UH, THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO CHANGES IN THE MARKETPLACE.
AND SO IT, IT IS, UM, RISKY TO KIND OF TAKE OUR EYES OFF THAT BALL AND THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY FIND WAYS TO BRING NEW INVESTMENT INTO THESE TYPES OF, UH, STRIPPED ENVIRONMENTS.
UH, CONTINUING WITH THE HIGHLY INNOVATIVE NAMING CONVENTION THAT WE'VE PUT FORTH, UH, WE'RE CALLING THIS NORTHTOWN.
THESE ARE, UH, SOME OF THE NEWEST GROWTH, UH, IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, TO THE NORTH OF 70.
UM, AND THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY SEEING, UH, DEVELOPMENT, PRESSURE AND ACTIVITY, INCLUDING THE NEW, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT IS, I THINK BEFORE YOU, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH, TOWARD THE TOP OF THE SCREEN.
UM, AND SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THAT HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER.
OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU REMEMBER BACK TO THE, THE PURPLE DOTS, UH, FROM WHERE PEOPLE TOLD US TO FOCUS OUR ENERGY AND, AND EFFORTS FROM A, A PLANNING STANDPOINT, AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT, THIS AREA THAT WE'RE CALLING SOUTH TOWN IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
AND THINKING THROUGH WHAT IS THE NEXT GENERATION OF INVESTMENT OF HOMEOWNER, OF RESIDENT, UH, GONNA LOOK LIKE THERE AND, AND BE INTENTIONAL AND, AND PROACTIVE IN ATTRACTING THAT NEXT GENERATION, UH, TO, UH, MOVE INTO THOSE AREAS, TO FIX THEM UP TO, YOU KNOW, PUT ON THE NEXT, UH, YOU KNOW, LAYER OF INVESTMENT LOVE, UH, AND ATTENTION TO THOSE REALLY WHAT FOR, FOR WHAT? HUB HEIGHTS HAS BECOME KNOWN FOR A REALLY CHARACTER RICH, UH, SERIES OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AN AREA IN BETWEEN THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER THE WORK ZONE OFF TO THE RIGHT.
UH, AND THAT SOUTH, UH, TOWN, UH, TO THE LEFT, UH, IS AN AREA THAT'S KIND OF IN TRANSITION RIGHT NOW.
AND WE'RE CALLING THAT THE EAST VILLAGES.
UH, THIS IS AN AREA THAT MIGHT, UM,
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CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, BUT IT'S AN AREA THAT WE THINK GIVEN AT THE LANDSCAPE THERE, IT NEEDS TO REALLY FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC REALM ON GREENWAYS, ON INTERCONNECTED, UH, TRAILS AND WATERWAYS, UH, AND TREE STANDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO REALLY DRIVE A LOT OF VALUE, UH, OUT OF WHAT GETS BUILT THERE.AND THEN THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE, UH, LIKELY, AT LEAST THROUGH THE TENURES OF THIS, UH, PLANNING, UH, GUIDE, UH, MIGHT SEE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CHANGE.
UH, THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE CALLING YOUR STATE LOTS.
UH, THESE ARE THE KIND OF LARGE LOTS RESIDENTIAL, MOSTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY STABLE, UH, AREAS THAT ADD A LOT TO THE EDGES OF, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS AND ARE, ARE, ARE PART OF ITS HISTORY AND SHOULD BE CELEBRATED AS SUCH.
AND THEN THE LAST AREA OF FOCUS, UM, IS HOW YOU OPERATIONALIZE ALL THIS.
UH, MOST COMPREHENSIVE PLANS REALLY ARE FAIRLY PASSIVE, UH, AS A GUIDE AND, YOU KNOW, AS A REFERENCE.
UH, BUT WE'RE STRONG BELIEVERS IN IMPLEMENTATION, UH, AND FOCUS AND PUTTING THE TOOLS IN PLACE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN, IN A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS COME TO BE.
AND SO FROM OUR, UH, ASSESSMENT AND ANALYSIS THAT FOR HE HEIGHTS, THAT MEANS FOCUSING ON THREE KIND OF KEY AREAS OF OPERATIONALIZING THIS WORK.
UH, ONE IS TO REVISIT YOUR BRAND, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS WORKING FOR YOU, UH, THAT IT SPEAKS TO YOUR, YOUR VISION AND VALUES FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS AND WHAT IT IS BECOMING.
UM, THAT BRAND GETS BETTER AND STRONGER AND MORE MEANINGFUL IF IT PERMEATES THROUGH A KIND OF REGULAR ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT BUILDS ON YOUR EXISTING EVENTS, UH, EXPANDS THEM FURTHER, UM, AND ACTIVATES THAT BRAND, UH, PARTICULARLY AROUND GROWTH, UH, TO STICKY SUBJECT.
AND SO KIND OF CONTINUOUSLY ENGAGING ABOUT GROWTH AND CHALLENGES AND, AND OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH IT IS GONNA BE INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY AS YOU MOVE FROM DEVELOPING AT YOUR EDGES TO REDEVELOPING AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT ON, ON SITES WITHIN THE KIND OF, UH, EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE CITY.
AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, MANAGING A BRAND OR A ROBUST ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, OR JUST GROWTH IN GENERAL REALLY NECESSITATES, UH, CONSISTENT, STRONG AND CAPACITATED MANAGEMENT AND STAFF.
AND SO THINKING ABOUT STAFF RESOURCES, UH, POSITIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE AN AREA OF FOCUS AND CANNOT BE OVERLOOKED AS WE THINK ABOUT THE NEXT DECADE OF GROWTH AND CHANGE, UH, IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND THEN WE'VE PROVIDED AN APPENDIX THAT KIND OF PROVIDES A LOT OF THE BACKDROP, UH, OR FLUSHING OUT OF SOME OF OUR ANALYSIS FOR REFERENCE.
UH, BUT WITH THAT, UH, I KNOW IT'S A LATE NIGHT.
I WILL STOP THERE AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S A LOT TO ABSORB, THAT'S A LOT TO ABSORB.
I, I WILL BE EMAILING THIS TO YOU TOMORROW.
SO YOU HAVE IT AND THERE'LL BE A TEST ON FRIDAY.
OKAY, NEXT ON, ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL MINUTES.
UH, AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING, UH, AGENDA ARE, UM, MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED.
SO APPROVED REPORTS IN OR PLANNING COMMISSION.
YEAH, REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW, MR. CRELL.
UM, WE HAVE A MAJOR CHANGE TO, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S GONNA COME THROUGH ON THE 11TH.
UM, THEY ALREADY MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT, SO IT'S, UH, WARPED WINGS FACILITY, UH, ON, UH, EXECUTIVE.
UM, SO THAT IS ON THE 11TH, ON THE 25TH, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE CASE, UH, THAT WAS TABLED TO COME BACK, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO.
I FORGOT ONE IMPORTANT PIECE INFORMATION.
I JUST, IT WAS A, A, UH, MARKETING PLEA.
UH, WE JUST TOURED YOUR BARN AND WE'RE ON NOVEMBER 10TH.
WE'RE HAVING, UH, KIND OF THE MAJOR ROLLOUT OF THIS AS REFINED.
SO JUST KIND OF PUT IT ON YOUR RADAR.
NOVEMBER 10TH, WE'RE HAVING OUR, A BIG COMMUNITY EVENT THAT DAY.
SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDING.
SAY THAT YOU, YOU CAUGHT YOUR SECOND WIN
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING BRING FOR THE COMMISSION? YES, YOU, WE COVERED ONE OF THEM.
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ABOUT WORK WIN AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY THAT WITHOUT IT, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT YET, SO WE WILL BE FORM IT.MY OTHER QUESTION IS HAVE YOU HAD ANYTHING AT ALL COME AND WHAT BROUGHT TO MIND WAS JUST THE, UH, THE PREFERRED SENIOR CENTER.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING, ARE WE GONNA BE SEEING THAT ANY TIME SOON? DO THEY HAVE FUNDING FOR IT OR, I BE ON HOLD FOR A WHILE? I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I WILL CIRCLE BACK WITH BRIAN AND FIND OUT WHAT THE STATUS IS CUZ I HAVE NO IDEA.