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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
THIS IS AUGUST THE 16TH, 2022.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 3.
UH, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL ROLL PLEASE.
MR. SHAW, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL.
THIS IS BURJ MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS.
THIS IS KITCHEN MR. WEBB HERE, MAYOR GORE HERE.
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IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.SO YOU CAN SEE ITEM TWO, A AND TWO B A ONE SET OF MINUTES IS FOR AUGUST.
SECOND SET OF MINUTES IS FOR AUGUST THE FOURTH OF 2022.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS OR CORRECTIONS COMMENTS.
THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
SEEING NONE, THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
I REMEMBER THREE IS OUR WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION ITEM THREE A'S ARE ST.
MANAGER REPORT AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE, UH, FROM BRIAN.
UH, BEFORE WE GET THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO BRING UP SOMETHING.
I THINK WE'VE ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN THE, UH, SUNDAY DANGER, THE NEWSPAPER, UH, THAT WAS AN ARTICLE REGARDING A POSSIBLE ETHICS VIOLATION AND MR. LYONS.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, JUST AT, AT A MINIMUM, I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, UH, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO AT LEAST BE LOOKED AT BY THE ETHICS COMMISSION, UH, AND LET THEM DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A VIOLATION HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
UH, AND I THINK THROUGH SOME, FOR INVESTIGATION THAT WILL, UH, GIVE AN OUTCOME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO, UM, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU CERTAINLY CAN.
BUT I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY POSITION, UH, I WOULD ASK THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO, UH, TO RENDER A DECISION ON THAT.
GLENN, CAN I JUST ASK, I DIDN'T CATCH THE ARTICLE, BUT WHEN DID THE VIOLATION OCCUR? WHAT WAS IT? UH, SO I BELIEVE IT WAS BEEN IN ACCORDING TO EMAIL TRAFFIC FROM MR. SMITH, MR. SMITH HAS AN EMAIL WHERE HE SAYS THAT ED REACHED OUT TO HIM ON THURSDAY, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE FIFTH, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO DAYS AFTER OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WHAT WAS, WHAT IS THE, UH, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'VE CALLED THE VIOLATION.
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE OF THE VIOLATION ITSELF? WELL, I THINK SO, UH, THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE WOULD BE TO EMAILS.
UM, WE DID DISCUSS, UM, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY RELEASED THIS.
SO WE DID DISCUSS OUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE, UH, TENURE AND TIMEFRAME OF THE PREVIOUS, UM, EMPLOYMENT FROM MR. SMITH THAT WAS ALL DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TUESDAY, MAY THE THIRD.
WE HAD OUR INTERVIEWS, THAT WAS OUR WORK SESSION INTERVIEWS.
UH, THERE WAS NO EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT MONDAY EVENING, THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THOSE CANDIDATES FAILED.
AND THEN TUESDAY, MAY THE THIRD, WE HAD A, UM, UH, STANDARD REGULAR WORK SESSION SCHEDULED AND THEN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, WAS APPROVED THAT NIGHT TO DISCUSS THOSE CANDIDATES.
SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TUESDAY, THURSDAY, I BELIEVE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL THURSDAY RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM, UH, MR. SMITH DIRECTLY ADDRESSING ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AND TALKED ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR SOMEONE HAD GIVEN HIM THAT INFORMATION, SOMEONE HAD SHARED THAT INFORMATION THAT WE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THEN THERE'S AN EMAIL FROM GERALD SMITH TO PATTY HIM AND OVER THE RECRUITER WHERE HE STATES, UM, HIS APOLOGIES FOR NOT LETTING HER KNOW SOONER, BUT, UH, THAT HE DID RECEIVE CONTACT FROM MR. LYONS, UM, REGARDING CONCERNS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND HE SHOULD ADDRESS THOSE TO US, WHICH IS WHAT LED TO THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO US BY MR. SMITH.
AND THEN MS. HEMIN OVER SENATE, TONY, THAT EMAIL, UM, ON MONDAY, I BELIEVE, WHICH EXPRESSED HER CONCERN THAT SOMEONE FROM COUNCIL HAD WENT BEHIND, UH, NOT ONLY COUNCIL'S BACK, BUT BEHIND HER BACK AS THE RECRUITER AND THE COMPANY THAT WE HAD HIRED.
AND SHE FELT THAT, UH, NOT ADHERING TO THE PROCESS THAT THEY HAD LAID OUT AND WHAT PROCESSES WE AGREED TO SHE FELT WAS, WAS A GREAT CONCERN.
SO, UH, THERE'S EMAIL, TRAFFIC BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, UM, BETWEEN MR. SMITH AND MS. HEMIN OVER THE EMAIL BACK TO COUNCIL
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EXPRESSING OR LAYING OUT HIS RATIONALE, I BELIEVE IS THE WORD THAT HE USED, UM, WHICH DIRECTLY ANSWERED ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE EXPRESSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.SO THE VIOLATION WOULD BE, UH, IF, IF THE ETHICS COMMISSION BELIEVES THAT A VIOLATION, UH, HAPPENED, IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE OHIO OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THERE'S A 2020 REPORT OR 2020, ACTUALLY THE REPORT NUMBER IS, UH, IT'S THE OPINION THEY ISSUED IN 2020.
SO IT WAS 2022 WAS THE REPORT NUMBER OR THE ETHICS OPINION NUMBER.
AND THAT OPINION VERY SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT A VIOLATION OF EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN A PUBLIC BODY GOES INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEY, UM, THEY GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION LEGALLY, THEY HAVE FULL BELIEF THAT WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT IS A PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AND A VIOLATION OF, UH, OF THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION IS A VIOLATION OF THE EYE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SO THAT IS A 2020, UH, REPORT.
I KNOW PRIOR TO 2020, UM, THINGS LIKE THIS TO COME UP, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, IF SOMEONE BREACHED EXECUTIVE SESSION AND, UH, THE LAW OPINION WAS THAT IT WAS JUST MAYBE A CENTRAL ACT.
UH, BUT WE NOW KNOW THERE'S AN UPDATED OPINION FROM THE HIGHWAY ETHICS COMMISSION IN 2020 THAT STATES DIFFERENTLY, UH, EVEN SAYS THAT, UM, IF IT'S PROVED TO BE FOUND THAT HAPPENED, IT COULD BE, UM, AN ACTUAL FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR CHARGE.
SO I THINK BEING WITH THE SEVERITY OF THIS AND, AND UNDER THE NEW, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MY OPINION.
THIS IS THE ETHICS COMMISSION OPINION, VERY CLEARLY DEALS WITH THIS AND THEIR 2020 DASH TWO OPINION.
I THINK THEY AT LEAST NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FURTHER TO DETERMINE IF A VIOLATION OCCURRED.
AND SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS QUITE A BIT.
UM, FIRST DEGREE MISDEMEANOR CHARGE.
AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
AND, UM, IN THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, UH, YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT YOU BELIEVE I'M GUILTY, NUTS, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, OR I'M RESPONSIBLE, OR AT LEAST THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE FIRST EMAIL YOU CITED, UM, WHERE, UH, MR. SMITH, UM, AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SENT TO ALL COUNSEL.
YOU SAID YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S INFORMATION IN THERE THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND YOU FEEL THAT HE, OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY GOT THAT INFORMATION, HE GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM SOMEONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
HE SAID IN HIS EMAIL THAT YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHAT WAS IN HIS EMAIL THAT IN HIS EMAIL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCUSSING EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE TOLD HIM THAT INFORMATION? YES.
IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ IT WAS THAT THE EMAIL THAT WE ALL GOT, UH, THIS WAS AN EMAIL FROM GERALD TO PATTY ON FRIDAY, MAY THE SIXTH.
UM, ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO THE EMAIL THAT WE ALL RECEIVE FROM GERALD SMITH.
YOU SAID THAT THERE'S INFORMATION IN THERE THAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE SOMEONE FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION TOLD GERALD SMITH WHAT WAS SAID IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, THAT INFORMATION COULD COME FROM OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO BECAUSE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS, UH, VERY CLEAR THAT WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HIS TENURE AND IN THE EMAIL THAT HE SENT TO ALL OF COUNCIL, JUST TWO DAYS AFTER THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION ADDRESSED THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY HIS, HIS TENURE.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU A SCENARIO.
SO DID YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ON SUNDAY? I DID IT, YES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY THOROUGH AND I READ IT ONCE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT MY QUOTES WERE, UH, VERY WELL SUMMARIZED AND, UH, DIRECTED BY, UH, THE NEWSPAPER REPORTER, AMY HANCOCK.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN.
UM, SO A POSSIBLE SCENARIO, UM, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION HAPPENS, THINGS ARE SAID, LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, NOTHING IS BREACHED AND EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TALKS TO ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND HAS THOSE CONCERNS AND THEN SHARES THOSE
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CONCERNS WITH GERALD SMITH.IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT? UH, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, SO TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN CALL A CANDIDATE AND ASK A QUESTION.
WELL, LOOK, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH ANSWERING IT.
IF YOU ALL ME HAVE YOU LET ME ANSWER.
THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING THE OHIO ETHICS COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY DO AN INVESTIGATION AND MAKE A REPORT.
I THINK THERE'S CLEARLY ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT, UM, THAT SAYS AT A MINIMUM, WE SHOULD HAVE THEM.
WE SHOULD HAVE DON'T LOOK AT THIS.
BUT YOU DID SAY I VIOLATED IT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE IT'S I VIOLATED THAT.
SO I, I THINK, UM, IF YOU SPEAK TO SOMEBODY ELSE, ANOTHER, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS THAT SAME PRIVILEGED INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT'S NOT A BREACH OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT ONCE YOU SHARE THAT WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT, UM, WHO WASN'T IN THE COMPANY OF THAT PRIVILEGED DISCUSSION, THEN I THINK THAT, YES, I THINK THAT'S A VIOLATION BECAUSE YOU'RE SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH SOMEBODY WHO WAS NOT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SPECIFICALLY IN THIS CASE, THE CANDIDATE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IF, IF I TALK TO A DISC, IF I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND WE DISCUSS THAT TOPIC, AND THEN I TALKED TO MR. SMITH ABOUT THAT TOPIC, THEN THAT'S NOT A ETHICS VIOLATION.
THAT'S NOT A BREACH OF EXECUTIVE.
YOU DIDN'T SAY NO, I DIDN'T SAY IT.
I SAID, IF YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY, IF YOU TALK TO ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHO WAS PRIVILEGED WITH THAT INFORMATION AS WELL, THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION.
IN MY OPINION, ONCE YOU THEN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T PART OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEN THAT'S THE VIOLATION BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PRIVILEGED TO THAT INFORMATION.
AND IN THIS CASE, IT WAS CANDIDATE THAT WE WERE, UH, LOOKING AT TO HIRE THE SALE, WHICH THEN CLEARLY I THINK IS ANOTHER ETHICAL ISSUE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVING ONE CANDIDATE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER ANOTHER.
WELL, AGAIN, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION.
I JUST CALL THAT FOR COUNSEL DUE DILIGENCE.
UM, BUT YOU, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU FEEL THAT, UM, A BREACH OF, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION PRIVILEGE IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE AT EVS.
AND YOU WOULD NOT CONDONE THAT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE.
YOU HAVE NOT, NOT ANYTIME I HAVE DONE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID.
I HAVE SPOKE TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE SPOKEN TO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY PRIVILEGED TO THAT INFORMATION.
I HAVEN'T SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU OF THAT.
I UNDERSTAND NOW, UM, SINCE THE EMAIL CAME IN MAY AND THIS CAME TO YOUR ATTENTION, AND THEN OF COURSE, IT'S JUST BEEN RECENT THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AND IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER.
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO ME TO ASK ME WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT MY SIDE OF THE STORY, JUST TO SEE IF I FEEL LIKE I VOTE VIOLATED THE ETHICS OR GET TO THE DETAILS TO EVEN FIND OUT BEFORE YOU WENT TO THE NEWSPAPER AND GAVE HER YOUR OPINION THAT I VIOLATED THE YOU AND I HAVE NOT ANY CONTACT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN SOMETHING YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU WENT TO THE NEWSPAPER? UM, NO.
MAYOR, I I'M THINKING SOME PEOPLE MIGHT JUST GET THE IDEA.
YOU DON'T LIKE ME VERY MUCH, ED, UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IF YOU HADN'T HAVE DONE THIS, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
SO DON'T TRY TO PUT THIS BACK ON ME FROM THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING PERSONAL.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE TRYING TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER.
AND DURING THE PROCESS OF THAT, YOU WENT OUTSIDE OF OUR RECRUITING FIRM, YOU WENT OUTSIDE OF SYDNEY COUNCIL.
YOU MADE CONTACT WITH THE CANDIDATE, SHARED WITH HIM INFORMATION THAT WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
HE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH AN EMAIL, TO ALL OF US, TRYING TO EXPLAIN ALL THAT AWAY.
AND THEN HE REACHED OUT TO OUR RECRUITER AND SAID, HEY, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
COUNSEL ON LYONS REACHED OUT TO ME, TOLD ME THE CONCERNS COUNCIL HAD.
AND NOW HERE'S AN EMAIL THAT EXPLAINS ALL OF MY ISSUES.
IT SEEMS PRETTY CUT AND DRY TO ME, BUT I'M NOT DECIDING, BUT WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT THE ETHICS COMMISSION SHOULD AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE THEY'VE GIVEN AN OPINION IN 2020 THAT VERY CLEARLY STATES VIOLATION OF PRIVILEGED INFORMATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IS A VIOLATION OF THE OHIO OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
IT'S A VERY CLEAR, IT'S VERY CUT AND DRY.
WELL, AND, AND SEVERAL OF YOUR FACTS WERE CORRECT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO ANYBODY TO THINK WHICH ONE THEY ALL WERE, WHICH ONES WEREN'T.
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FROM BAKER, TILLY ON EACH OF THE CANDIDATES CAME A TELEPHONE NUMBER AND AN EMAIL.AND I DID REACH OUT, AS I SAID, THE ARTICLE WAS ACCURATE.
I DID REACH OUT TO GERALD SMITH FEELING WHAT I FELT WAS NECESSARY TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE.
THE ISSUE THAT I REACHED OUT FOR HIM WAS ON DR.
FORWARDS, A PROPOSAL THAT I THOUGHT WAS A BRILLIANT COMPROMISE HIRING.
GERALD SMITH IS A CITY MANAGER.
AND THEN HAVING THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IS JOHN RUSSELL.
AND HANG ON MAYOR, YOUR TIMELINE IS NOT CORRECT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DETAILS.
SO, UH, SO WITH THAT, I REACHED OUT TO, UH, GERALD SMITH TO TALK ABOUT THAT, TO SEE IF IT WAS STILL VIABLE.
FORWARDS, UM, COMPROMISE IF GERALD SMITH HAS ALREADY BEEN HIRED IN ANOTHER CITY OR HAS NO DESIRE TO COME TO COOPER HEIGHTS ANYMORE.
SO THAT WAS THAT, UH, REACHING OUT FOR THAT PART.
AND THEN WITH THAT, UM, I TALKED TO HIM AND LIKE I SAID, IN THE NEWSPAPER, I WAS VERY CLEAR.
SO, UH, THAT WAS THE ISSUE, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO, UM, I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I DO TAKE EXECUTIVE SESSION CONFIDENTIALITY VERY SERIOUSLY.
UH, I HAVE NEVER INTENDED TO BREAK IT.
UM, I DO NOT INTEND TO BREAK IT.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE I WAS EVEN CLOSE TO BREAKING IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EMAILS THAT WERE REACHED OUT, WHY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE THAT IDEA, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION.
YOU HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT YOU THINK.
AND IF YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE SOMEBODY LOOK INTO THIS, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR OPINION, YOUR PREROGATIVE.
UM, BUT THE IMPORTANT PART IS YOU TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE AND YOU THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION ON ME.
SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME DISCUSSING THIS.
MA'AM SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE TIMELINE.
SO THE, THE ISSUE OF THE VIOLATION IS ISN'T WHEN YOU REACHED OUT TO GERALD FOR THE SECOND TIME REGARDING, UH, UH, DR.
FORD'S COMPROMISED DEAL THAT, UM, THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.
UH, THERE WAS EMAIL TRAFFIC ABOUT THAT.
MR. SMITH SENT PATTY ANOTHER EMAIL, VERY CONCERNED THAT, UM, HE WASN'T SURE WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO.
THAT'S ANOTHER EMAIL THAT PATTY SENT TO TONY.
UH, AND, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE OF, OF THE VIOLATION BECAUSE THAT YOU DIDN'T VIOLATE ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, INFORMATION AT THAT POINT, YOU WERE CALLING TO FIND OUT IF HE WAS STILL AVAILABLE, UH, AND TO TRY TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THEM.
BUT, BUT, BUT THAT HAPPENED WAY AFTER THE FACT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ETHICS VIOLATION HAPPENED.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST TIME, FIRST TIME I TALKED TO HIM AND I WENT TO THE SECOND TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I SAY YOUR TIMELINE WAS ALL WEEKEND DECLARED.
AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND TIME AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND TIME WASN'T A VIOLATION.
SO THE FIRST TIME, UH, AS REPORTED IN THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.
UM, W ACCURATELY WE HAD, I DID REACH OUT TO GERALD SMITH THE FIRST TIME AND ABOUT HIS CON YOU KNOW, DUE DILIGENCE, UH, THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, HOW LONG HE WOULD BE STAYING AS CITY MANAGER.
HOW LONG DID HE ENVISION IT? WAS IT HIS LIFETIME, UM, GOAL? WAS IT, UH, TO STAY HERE? WAS IT STAY HERE TO RETIREMENT? AND I FELT THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, AND THAT WAS A CONCERN.
IT WAS OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THEN I DID REACH OUT TO GERALD SMITH.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, UM, I FELT I WAS DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL SEE FROM THAT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT'S A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MARK.
AND YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. SMITH, YOU REACHED OUT TO MR. SMITH AFTER THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION IN MAY, MAY 2ND, MAY 3RD.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR EXACTLY WHAT THE DATES, UM, SOMETIME, BUT I DID REACH OUT TO HIM.
YES, PROBABLY WAS, UM, AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ALL THE DATES TO IDENTIFY, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY FOR CERTAIN, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN, YES.
ACCORDING TO THE EMAIL THAT WAS THURSDAY, MAY 5TH.
WHEN YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM THURSDAY, MAY 3RD, THAT MAY THE FIFTH, TUESDAY WAS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE THIRD HAS EMAILED, SAYS YOU REACHED OUT ON THURSDAY, THE FIFTH.
DID THESE EMAILS TONY YOU'VE SENT TO US? NO, THOSE WERE NOT SAD, BUT I DID SEND AT THE TIME A RESPONSE FROM PATTY, UM, EXPRESSING HER CONCERNS
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ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBERS, CONTACTING CANDIDATES DIRECTLY OUTSIDE OF ESTABLISHED, BRO.AND THEN AFTER THAT, ED, YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM AGAIN.
UH, THE SECOND TIME I REACHED OUT TO GERALD SMITH WAS ABOUT, UH, DR.
YOU SENT OUT SOMETHING REGARDING PATTY COULDN'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME, PATTY SUGGESTING WE WORK THROUGH HER, NOT THE CANDIDATE, RIGHT THROUGH THE ESTABLISHED PREP PROCESS.
AND ED, DID YOU GET THAT? I DID GET THAT.
UH I'M I'M SURE I KNOW THAT WAS PATTY.
WELL, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY IF THAT WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN LIMITS ON COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A REV RESUME.
IF I HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS CALLING AND ASKING THE CANDIDATE, TONY, IN REGARDS TO WHAT YOU SENT TO US, IT WAS YOUR INTERPRETATION TO WHAT PATTY HAD CONVEYED OR WAS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU FORWARDED? YEAH, I THINK THE ESTABLISHED PROCESS THAT WE HAD AGREED TO WAS THAT I WOULD BE THE POINT OF CONTACT WITH BAKER, TILLY.
AND SO IF WE HAD SOMETHING TO GO TO ONE OF THE CANDIDATES THAT IT WOULD BE PASSED TO ME, AND THEN IT WOULDN'T BE PASSED TO A PATIO AND OVER, AND THEN ONTO THE CANDIDATE OF, BUT AFTER THE MAY INCIDENT WHERE GERALD WAS CONTACTED PATTY ACKNOWLEDGED TO THE GROUP THAT WE SHOULD WORK THROUGH HER, NOT CONTACT THE CANDIDATES.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU REACHED OUT TO HIM AGAIN, PROBABLY.
WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT PATTERN ON? WELL, UH, LIKE I SAID, DUE DILIGENCE, UH, THE FIRST TIME OR THE SECOND TIME, SECOND TIME, SECOND TIME WAS TO FIND OUT IF DR.
FORWARDS COMPROMISE WAS VIABLE.
IF, UH, HE WAS WORKING IN ANOTHER CITY OR DECIDED HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE CITY MANAGER IN HUBER HEIGHTS ANYMORE.
UH, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I NEEDED TO SUPPORT DR.
FORWARD'S, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GOOD.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING IF HE WAS STILL AVAILABLE, IF HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, THEN THE PROPOSAL IS DEAD ON ARRIVAL BECAUSE HE'S NOT AVAILABLE.
AND COULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH PATTY? COULD YOU HAVE DONE THE SAME THING JUST THROUGH PATTY PUS? WELL, CERTAINLY, POSSIBLY.
AND JEFF W WHAT ARE YOU TELLING US TONIGHT? WHY ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING? I THINK, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE SUPPORTIVE COUNCIL, UM, TO AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE HIGHLIGHT ETHICS COMMISSIONER NEEDS TO LOOK AT, BUT IF COUNCIL DOESN'T AGREE AS THE MAYOR, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THEM ANYWAY, BUT YES, SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL.
I THINK BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE EMAILS, I THINK THAT COUNCIL SHOULD AT LEAST WANT TO HAVE THE ETHICS COMMISSION, AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT NANCY, UH, MAYOR.
I WOULD SUPPORT YOU IN DOING THAT, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, AND ALL OF MY YEARS IN WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND DEALING WITH CONTRACTS, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S TABOO.
YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SINGLE PERSON CONTACTING CANDIDATES OR CONTRACTORS ABOUT POTENTIAL CONTRACTING OR LEGAL ACTIONS.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE LIKE, LIKE PATTY, OR A LOT OF TIMES IT WOULD BE THE ATTORNEY, BUT IT, IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE CONTACTING CANDIDATES, YOU YOU'VE COMPROMISED THE WHOLE SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GIVING THAT SAME BENEFIT TO ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
AND, UM, IT JUST, IT JUST GOES AGAINST ALL OF THE, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD.
AND I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A READING, UH, FROM THE ETHICS COMMITTEE ON WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE, BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF GONE IN HIS GRAY AREA BEFORE.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM THEM THAT TELLS US DON'T STEP OVER THIS LINE.
MY BIG THING IS IT'S NOT, IF HE DID IT OR DIDN'T DO IT.
WE ARE LOOKING AT A TIMELINE OF SIX MONTHS OF THIS BEING DONE TO GET A QUALITY CANDIDATE.
AND THREE MONTHS LATER, WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK UP AGAIN.
WHEN IS THIS GOING TO DIE? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, IF THIS WAS AN ISSUE, WHY DIDN'T IT GET BROUGHT UP TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN IT WAS JUST A FEW WEEKS OUT? I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH THIS, THAT WE WERE GOING TO WORK ON GETTING ALONG,
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ACTING GOOD TOGETHER.AND I THOUGHT WE WERE ON THIS TIMELINE.
SO WE KICK GO IN JANUARY TO GET SOMEBODY.
AND NOW HERE WE ARE AGAIN, DISCUSSED AGAIN.
WHEN IS IT GOING TO END? JUST ASK HIM WHEN PEOPLE STOPPED DOING THINGS WRONG? WELL, THAT WAS THREE MONTHS AGO.
SO THERE, ANITA, I KNOW YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS OF US TALKING ABOUT AND GOING THROUGH THE ISSUES OF A CITY MANAGER, TRYING TO HIRE ASSISTS, TRYING TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER.
THERE WERE STILL TWO VERY VIABLE CANDIDATES, UH, BUT THIS COUNCIL COULD HAVE CHOSEN AND TWO TO BE BRINGING UP ETHICS VIOLATIONS AND INVESTIGATIONS.
WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER, UH, I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
THAT PROCESS IS OVER THIS COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION TO POSTPONE THIS PROCESS FOR SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS.
AND NOW THAT THAT'S OVER AND THAT DECISION MADE JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME DOESN'T MEAN IF THERE WAS, UM, A VIOLATION COMMITTED THAT WE SHOULD JUST WHITEWASH IT.
I HOPE YOU'RE NOT EITHER ANYONE ELSE, GLENN, THE CONFUSION THAT I HAVE ON THIS AS THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE THAT YOU PUBLICLY HAVE STATED THAT YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO NOT ONE, BUT MULTIPLE CANDIDATES TO TALK TO THEM ON THE PHONE CONCERNING THIS JOB.
UH, I ALSO RECALL, AND I COULDN'T QUOTE A DATE IF, IF, IF I COULDN'T QUOTE A DATE, IF I HAD I'D HAVE TO FIND IT.
BUT I THINK IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO A COMMENT THAT I MADE AT A MEETING.
YOU, YOU SAID, I AM GOING TO VIOLATE EXECUTIVE SESSION RIGHT NOW.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH.
AND THEN YOU WENT ON TO DO SO.
SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, HERE IT'S A CONCERN THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER CONTACTED A CANDIDATE YOU'VE ADMITTED TO CONTACTING MULTIPLE CANDIDATES.
IT'S A CONCERN THAT A EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS VIOLATED.
YOU PUBLICLY ADMITTED TO VIOLATING EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ARE YOU FILING A COMPLAINT ON YOURSELF AS WELL? IF YOU'D LIKE TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST ME, I'D LOOK AT ME.
NO, I'M WITH ANITA ON THIS ONE, WE HAD THIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER AND, AND DO THIS THING.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THESE INFORMATION, THESE COMMENTS, AND NOW WE'RE NOT DOING IT, WE'RE NOW WE'RE PULLING UP SOMETHING FROM MONTHS BACK AND TRYING TO CREATE THIS PUBLIC ISSUE.
WHEN WE SAID WE NEED TO TAMP IT DOWN, WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS.
MR. CAMPBELL, I THINK WE'RE MOVING VERY WELL IN THE MARIANO'S PROJECT.
I'D APPRECIATE IF THAT WOULD KEEP ROLLING.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS UNDERWAY, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WORKED ABOUT WITH, AND WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE ROLLING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE GOT TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS.
AND WHAT I'M REALLY FED UP WITH IS THAT THE ACCUSATIONS OF CERTAIN PEOPLE REHASHING THINGS ARE CREATING THESE ISSUES AND DRAMA AND WHILE OTHERS ARE DOING IT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT OR YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THAT'S FINE.
UM, I WON'T BE JOINING ANY SUCH COMPLAINTS.
SO I, UH, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE REAL QUICK AND YOUR ACCUSATIONS OF ME.
GUESS WHAT I ADMITTED DOING? UM, TONY, WHEN I TALKED TO, UM, LUKE SIMMS AND WHEN I TALKED TO RICHARD, ZIK WHERE YOU ON THAT PHONE CALL, I WAS, WHO ELSE WAS ON THE PHONE CALL THAT HE HAVEN'T OVER? OH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
I DIDN'T TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO REACH OUT TO A CANDIDATE BEHIND OR OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS AS MISS HEMIN OVER REQUESTED.
I ASKED TONY TO REACH OUT TO PATTY, TO SCHEDULE A TIME WHERE WE COULD TALK TO FIND OUT IF THEY WERE STILL INTERESTED.
SO IN THE SAME SENSE THAT ED SAID, HE CALLED TO FIND OUT IF THEY WERE, IF MR. SMITH WAS INTERESTED, OTHERWISE IT WAS A MOOT POINT.
AND THAT'S NOT WHERE I BELIEVE THE VIOLATION HAPPENED.
PATTY WAS ON THE CALL AND VERIFIED WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE SO INTERESTED IN THE PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA.
I DIDN'T DO THAT OUTSIDE OF ANYONE ELSE'S KNOWLEDGE LIKE MR. LYONS DID.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? ANYONE ELSE DON? OH, I CAN, I CAN JUST SIT HERE AND SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE THE SKILL SET REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO BE THE JUDGE AND JURY ON THIS SORT OF TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT AMONGST OURSELVES, IF THERE'S A SUSPECTED VIOLATION, THEN I THINK WE EVEN KNOW IT'S MR. LYONS TO ALLOW THE, THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO AND WHATEVER THEIR RULING IS, THEN
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WE CAN GO WITH THEM.BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THE EMAILS FROM GERALD TO PATTY OR WHATEVER.
UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE TOO, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I CAN SIT HERE, UM, IN JUDGMENT OF MR. LYONS WHEN WE'RE WITH THE OTHER, I'M NOT EQUIPPED TO DO THAT.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT I COULD DO IS I WOULD ASK TONY TO WORK WITH JERRY TO PREPARE SOME TYPE OF BUTTER, UM, THROUGH THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND THEN ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SIGN THAT ALONG WITH ME, I WOULD WELCOME YOU TO DO SO.
MARK, BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW TODAY, MOVING FORWARD, IF THE SAME SITUATION OCCURRED, WOULD YOU HANDLE IT DIFFERENTLY? AND WOULD YOU WORK THROUGH THE RECRUITING FIRM? UM, DID YOU, UH, GO OUT, TALK TO THE CANDIDATE AND SHARE CONVERSATION, THEN IT OCCURRED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? UH, UM, OKAY, SO I'LL ANSWER THIS AS BEST I CAN.
UM, IF I FELT THAT I HAD DONE ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATE AND I USUALLY AM VERY CAREFUL AND I DON'T THINK I'D DONE ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATELY.
SO I DIDN'T THINK I WAS DOING ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATELY.
I DIDN'T THINK I WAS DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
CERTAINLY WASN'T VIOLATING ETHICS.
UM, I WAS, FELT LIKE I WAS DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE, UM, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, IN RETROSPECT, IF I KNEW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, I CERTAINLY WOULD TRY TO AVOID THE CONTROVERSY.
UM, NOT THAT IT'S MY NAME OR ANYBODY ELSE'S NAME, BUT ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT NEGATIVELY IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT HUBER HEIGHTS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAKES THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL AND HUBER HEIGHTS NOT LOOK SO GOOD IN THE PUBLIC EYE.
SO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY I, I COULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY TO AVOID THE CONCENTRATOR, BUT YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE, IF, IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE MADE UP ABOUT ME FOR SOMETHING I'VE DONE, THAT'S OUT OF MY CONTROL.
SO, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD TRY TO AVOID THE CONTROVERSY CERTAINLY.
AND I DON'T THINK THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS WELL-WRITTEN I THINK I CAME OUT PRETTY DECENT WITH THAT.
I'M PRETTY HAPPY, BUT YOU KNOW, I GOT COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THEY'RE SUPER HEIGHTS AGAIN, AND IT'S CITY COUNCIL AGAIN.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M WITH MARK, YOU KNOW, I WAS ON THE DYESS AND ATOMIC, TOM YEARS, AND I WAS HOPING THAT WE'D HAVE THAT BEHIND US.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UM, I'VE BEEN A BIG PART OF THAT, UH, IN MY STANCE AND MY POSITION, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE CONTROVERSY IS CONTINUING AND IT'S A SHAME THAT I'M THE ONE IN THE CENTER THIS TIME.
I'M USUALLY ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.
AND, BUT, UH, BUT THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS IF I COULD AVOID CONTROVERSY, I WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY.
SO IN MY ATTEMPT TO REMAIN PROFESSIONAL SO WE CAN ACCOMPLISH HAVING SIX MONTHS OF THAT WITH THE SMALL PIECE THAT I, I PLAY, I HEARD EVERYTHING YOU SAID, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING.
I READ A NEWSPAPER, ANYTHING I READ IN AN EMAIL, ANYONE I TALKED TO, NONE OF THAT I HEARD YOU SAY TONIGHT THAT YOU DID IN FACT REACH OUT TO GERALD SMITH AND YOU SHARED WITH HIM THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
NO, THAT'S OKAY, BUT I'M NOT SETTING YOU UP.
NO, I DID NOT SHARE ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I HAVEN'T SHARED THAT OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I DID TALK TO COUNCIL MEMBER AND I DID REACH OUT TO GERALD SMITH TWICE.
AND WHAT I TALKED ABOUT WITH GERALD SMITH WAS WHAT I DISCUSSED WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO, BUT MY ONLY GOAL ASKING YOU THIS WAS HOPING THAT ONCE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAD HAPPENED, THAT MOVING FORWARD, WHEN WE CONDUCT THE NEXT SEARCH, THAT WE'LL WORK THROUGH THE RECRUITER.
TH THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HEAR.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DID NOT SHARE WITH GERALD INFORMATION WE TALKED ABOUT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
NO, I SHARED WITH GERALD INFORMATION THAT I TALKED WITH ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT WASN'T ANYTHING INVOLVED WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DID YOU TALK TO GERALD ABOUT OUR CONCERN WITH HIS TENURE? NO, NOT IN, NOT FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER.
DID YOU TALK TO GERALD ABOUT HIS TENURE? YEAH.
SO I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD,
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AND THAT WAS THE COUNCIL MEMBER I WAS TALKING TO AT THE TIME OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS THE CRUX OF, I GUESS THE ISSUE THAT THE FACT IN THE DETAIL THAT HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED VERY MUCH MAYER.
UH, YOU INDICATE YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE A LETTER AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE ON THE DICE USE THE WORD INVESTIGATE, BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WHEN YOU DRAFT THAT LETTER TO ASK FOR AN OPINION YES.
I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT'S CALLED FOR, I THINK THE ETHICS COMMISSION JUST ISSUES, OPINIONS.
UH, THEY DO INVESTIGATIONS, BUT THEY ALSO DO OPINIONS.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE REFERENCING.
I'M REFERENCING THE 20, 20 0 2 OPINION BY THE ETHICS COMMISSION THAT STATES A VIOLATION OF EXECUTIVE SESSION IS A VIOLATION OF THE OHIO OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHEN, UH, CANDIDATES APPLY FOR POSITIONS THAT THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION BE REDACTED, UM, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE, OR AT LEAST MINIMIZE, UH, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE NEVER HAD A PERSONAL CONTACT LISTED ON ANY DOCUMENTS FOR A CANDIDATE BEEN CONSIDERED.
UM, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CONTACTED BY OTHER THAN THE POINTS OF CONTACT, WHOEVER HAS BEEN DESIGNATED.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN THE LONG RUN.
I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT.
[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]
THREE OF THE SAME AS YOUR REPORT, WHICH IS THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE A BIT AS WELL.BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD, THERE WE GO.
A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO WATER, UH, WE CONTINUE WITH HYDRANT FLUSHING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, AND THERE'LL BE ENDING OCTOBER 7TH, UH, ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN THE FLUSHING SCHEDULE, UH, TO DETERMINE HOW, AND WHEN IT MAY IMPACT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENCOURAGED TO GO TO THE WEBSITE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO RECORDED, UH, A FEW WATER MAIN BREAKS, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE CONSISTENTLY WARMER WEATHER.
UH, AND WHILE WE'VE SEEN A FEW MORE BREAKS, UH, IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY, UH, OUR, UH, ANNUAL AVERAGE STILL REMAINS ON PAR WITH PRE SOFTENING CONDITIONS.
SO WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING, UH, A, UH, WE'LL CALL IT A RETURN TO NORMAL, UH, BACK TO, UH, TO GENERALIZE CITY BUSINESS.
A COUPLE OF NOTES FOR THE COMMUNITY MOVIE IN THE PARK IS AUGUST 19TH.
SO THIS IS A DRIVE IN STYLE FEATURE.
UH, TOM CLOUD PARK WITH A MOVIE TIME, BEGINNING AT SEVEN 30 IN THE FUTURE IS BRAVE.
UH, THE DISNEY FILM, UH, THE MUSIC SERIES SUMMER MUSIC SERIES CONTINUES OVER AT THE IKE AUGUST 26TH.
DAVID PAYNE IN THE MIDWEST BUSINESS MACHINES, I THINK IS THE BAND.
UH, AND THAT SHOW WILL BE FROM SIX TO NINE.
AND THEN, UH, AT THE EAGER URGING OF OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT, UH, THE CITY, UH, BEING RECOGNIZED WITH THE AUDITOR OF STATE AWARD WITH DISTINCTION FOR THE 2021 FISCAL YEAR AUDIT, UH, THE AUDITOR HIMSELF, UH, WILL BE HERE ON THURSDAY AND COUNCIL CHAMBERS ABOUT ONE O'CLOCK, UH, TO PRESENT THAT AWARD TO, UH, TO MR. BELL AND ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENT, UH, FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY IS ENCOURAGED TO BE HERE.
SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR COUNSEL, SIR, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL HAS FOR ME.
OH, CONGRATULATIONS, BRIAN TO YOUR TEAM AND, AND, UH, AND OR TO JIM AND TO, AND TO BRIAN, BOTH FOR, FOR THAT, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL AND IT'S, UH, SEVERAL YEARS RUNNING NOW.
WHEREAS THE DISTINCTION NEW NOW, OR IS THIS, OR IS THAT WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IN THE PAST? I KNOW THERE WAS LIKE GOLD STARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THE DISTINCTION A NEW, A NEW FORM OR EACH AUDITOR HAS ITS OWN, UH, HAS HIS OR HER OWN NAME TO THE AWARD.
SO THIS ALL CALLS IT, THE WORD WITH DISTINCTION.
UM, WELL THE LAST TWO YEARS WE DID NOT RECEIVE IT, UH, FOR REASONS OF EXTENSIONS OF THE DEADLINE BECAUSE OF COVID REASONS.
UH, SO IT'S NICE TO GET BACK ON TRACK THIS YEAR FOR THE 2021, UH, AUDIT AND A, UM, ANNUAL, COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT THAT WAS JUST FILED.
SORT OF GRADUATIONS AGAIN, JIM, TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
UH, OUR RESIDENTS, LOTS OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WAY THAT, UM, BUT OUR FINANCES ARE HANDLED TO AND THE TRANSPARENCY PROCESS AND ALL THAT, THAT, UH, IS INVOLVED WITH HAVING THOSE CLEAN AUDITS WITH DISTINCTION.
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THAT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE.AND AGAIN, SHOULD GIVE THE RESIDENTS SOME CONFIDENCE AND, UH, THE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT POSITION.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.UH, JIM, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
YES, I HAVE, UH, THE NEXT THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UM, SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.
THERE ARE A FEW THAT I'LL GO OVER HERE QUICKLY.
UM, I PREVIOUSLY HAD GIVEN YOU, I THINK AT THE LAST, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION, UM, AND ADVANCE FROM THE GASOLINE TAX TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THE, UM, CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT.
UM, I'M HERE TO, UM, CHANGE THAT SLIGHTLY.
UH, SO INSTEAD OF THE ADVANCED GOING FROM, UH, THE GAS TAX FUND TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, I'D LIKE TO REDUCE THAT AND CHANGE THAT ADVANCE.
SO IT GOES FROM THE GAS TAX FUND TO THE LEXINGTON PLACE, TIF FUND, AND THEN THE LEXINGTON IN PLACE, TIF FUND WILL TRANSFER THE $290,000 TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR THAT PROJECT.
AND, UH, THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THE LEXAN PLACE TIF FUND, WHEN THOSE REVENUES START ROLLING IN WHICH I SAID THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE LEXUS IN PLACE TO REVENUES.
UH, THOSE REVENUES WILL BE ABLE TO PAY BACK THE ADVANCE FROM THE GASOLINE TAX FUND.
UH, IF I WERE TO KEEP IT AS IS THE ADVANCED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, THERE'S NO REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
SO, UM, IT NEEDS TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION AND ACTUALLY HAVE IT TAKE PLACE THROUGH THE LEXAN IN PLACE TO FUND.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S, UM, UH, WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH, UM, FINDING ANY GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT WERE BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR, UH, POSITIONS THAT WERE, UM, IN PERSONNEL POSITIONS THAT WERE BUDGETED BUT NOT FILLED.
AND SO THE CALCULATION ON THAT CAME TO 295,000 AND THAT 295,000 WILL BE A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE WATER UTILITY RESERVE FUND, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT DESIGN WORK, WHICH WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT ITEM, THEN WE HAVE $180,000 FOR THE LANDSCAPING REVITALIZATION PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED BY MR. GRAY AND ALSO THE $70,000 FOR REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF ROADWAY, GUARDRAIL, AND FINALLY, UH, $13,520 FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF THE INSURANCE CHECK FOR FIRE DEPOSIT.
OBVIOUSLY WHEN THERE'S A FIRE AND A HOME, THE INSURANCE COMPANY GIVES US THE CHECK, UH, GUARANTEEING US THAT THE WORK WILL BE DONE TO REPAIR THAT HOME.
AND THEN, UM, UH, WE HAVE TO REIMBURSE THAT CHECK WHEN, UH, WHEN IT'S TURNED OUT THAT, UH, THAT'S ALL BEEN HANDLED PROPERLY.
AND SO THAT REALLY ISN'T AN INCREASE TO THE BUDGET.
IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY BECAUSE WE GET THE MONEY AND THEN WE RETURN IT AS A REIMBURSEMENT.
SO THESE ARE THE ITEMS I HAVE FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL TONIGHT'S, UH, THAT I WOULD, UH, UH, LIKE I THINK SOME OF THESE NEED TO BE, UH, APPROVED ON MONDAY FOR, UM, IMMEDIATE USE.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, THAT TAKE PLACE ON MONDAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING TO SUPPLEMENTAL ONTO MONDAY? THANK YOU.
MA'AM SO THIS IS EMERGENCY, OR JUST, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PASS IT THE FIRST READING.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT IT WOULD BE NON, EXCUSE ME.
NON-EMERGENCY UH, SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION IS, ARE, AND APPROPRIATIONS ORDINANCE ARE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
THANK YOU, MR. BELL FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
I'M NOT TAKING ANY OBJECTIONS.
SO WE'LL MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY.
[ Issuance of Notes - Renewal - $3,750,000]
C, WHICH IS THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES AT THIS IS RENEWAL FOR 3,000,007 $50,000.YES, THIS IS THE NOTES THAT WE, UH, ORIGINALLY ACQUIRED THE LAYMAN PROPERTY, UM, ON THE CORNER OF, UM, BRANT AND EXECUTIVE.
AND, UH, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE IN 2019.
AND, UH, WE RENEW IT EVERY YEAR UNTIL WE, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN SEEKING, UH, UM, SOMEONE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE RENEWING THE NOTES UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE THIS LONGTERM IF THE CITY'S GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO A DEVELOPER.
SO, UH, THE TIMEFRAME IS I BELIEVE THAT OUR NOTES HAVE TO BE RENEWED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, I THINK IS THE RENEWAL DATE.
UH, SO SEEING NO IMMEDIATE SALE ON THAT LAND, UH, AS OF TODAY, UH, IT'S TIME TO GET THESE NOTES RENEWED.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL AT THIS TIME, UH, DOES NOT NEED TO BE APPROVED ON EMERGENCY CAN, UH, BY APPROVING IT AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY THE 30 DAYS, UH, WHERE IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 22ND IS STILL IN TIME FOR THAT SEPTEMBER 30TH RENEWAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM REGARDING THE RENEWAL? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY, JUST
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TO BE CLEAR, THAT WOULD INVOLVE WAVING THE SECOND READING ON THAT ITEM AS WELL IN ORDER TO YES, BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, YES, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE.SO WAVING THE SECOND READING IS CRUCIAL TO THE TIMEFRAME OF GETTING THE NOTES RENEWED IN SEPTEMBER WITHOUT AN EMERGENCY.
SO THAT WAY THEY CAN TAKE THE WHOLE 30 DAYS TO BE EFFECTIVE.
[ County Assessments Authorization]
3D, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZATION.THIS IS ANOTHER PIECE THAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE YEAR, I BRING, UM, ASSESSMENTS THAT NEED TO GO TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR.
UH, THESE INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS, UM, LIGHTING ASSESSMENTS, UH, DELINQUENT, WATER, AND SEWER, AS WELL AS, UM, WEED VIOLATIONS, PROPERTY ABATEMENT VIOLATIONS.
AND SO THERE WAS A QUITE LENGTHY ATTACHED EXHIBIT A, UM, IN YOUR PACKET.
AND, UH, THAT WILL BE REVISED.
I CAN TELL YOU BEFORE MONDAY NIGHT'S MEETING, BECAUSE, UM, AS, UM, AS I HAD TO TURN THIS IN LAST WEEK, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN PAYMENTS, UH, ON THOSE SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS.
SO WE'LL REMOVE THOSE BEFORE IT IS US, UH, FOR FINAL, UH, COUNCIL APPROVE ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, IS MISSING THAT I WILL ADD, UH, AS LANGUAGE BEFORE MONDAY NIGHT IS, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, ADD CLARIFYING LANGUAGE ON THE 3% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT WE ARE NOW CHARGING FOR COLLECTION AND PROCESSING FEE.
UH, THE COUNTY CHARGES A 5% FEE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN, UM, UH, CHARGING BEGINNING AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AT 3% FEET, UH, FOR COLLECTION OF ASSESSMENTS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS THAT HAS ITS OWN LANGUAGE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ASSESSMENTS? YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE A DOCUMENT IT'S JUST FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UH, MIAMI COUNTY DOES NOT REQUIRE LEGISLATION, BUT WE DO SUBMIT ASSESSMENTS.
ALL THOSE CARROTS TRAILS ASSESSMENTS, UH, THEY WILL BE GOING TO MIAMI COUNTY, BUT THEY DO NOT REQUIRE, UH, LEGISLATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Public Works Division Staffing Levels/Facility Presentation]
THREE E, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION, STAFFING LEVELS AND FACILITY PRESENTATION.THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
AND I'M GETTING THE CHANCE TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THEM, THE STAFFING CONDITIONS, UM, JUST TO PREEMPT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, SOME OF THE MEASURABLES WITH THE GROUP PRESENTATION YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, OR ARE SOME, UM, ACTUAL MATRIX, UM, THAT WE'VE COME THROUGH, UM, BEING ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF IT THROUGH, UM, PROBABLY THE FAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS ON PUBLIC WORKS, HISTORICALLY NUMBER, UM, BEEN A VERY, UM, LACK OF A BETTER TERM, UM, UH, KEEPING TRACK OF A GOOD METRIC SYSTEM.
UM, IT MIGHT TAKE YOU OVER OVER 12 YEARS AGO, I'VE KIND OF TRIED TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND GET MORE INFORMATION TO PRESENT THESE TYPE OF, UM, OF CONDITIONS AND THINGS.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, HISTORICAL STATUTE CONDITIONS, UM, BASICALLY 25 YEARS AGO, UH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 27 YEARS NOW.
SO I JUST WENT BACK 25 YEARS AND BASICALLY JUST KIND OF REFERENCED TO THAT WITH MY EXPERIENCE HERE WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME WE HAD 13 STATE STREET TECHNICIANS, TWO MECHANICS.
UM, WE HAD A NON-EXISTENT POSITION WHICH WAS NOW FILLED BY TWO CREW LEADERS.
YOU SEE, ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE CURRENTLY, UM, TWO SUPERVISORS, ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY OF THE DIVISION HEAD.
UM, CURRENTLY WE NOW HAVE 17 STREET TECHNICIANS, TWO MECHANICS, TWO CREW LEADERS, ONE SUPERVISOR, AND ONE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY.
AND OF COURSE A DIVISION HEAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT HERE, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WITH THE NEXT METRIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, UM, IS, IS HERE.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HERE ARE COMPARABLES TO SOME OF THE WORK HOURS OF SERVICE HOURS ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDED TO THE CITY.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE METRIC SYSTEM THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE PAST FEW YEARS, SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN RECORDED IN THE PAST, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IS, AS WE LOOK THROUGH THESE, AND THESE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM MORE IN DETAIL, BUT BASICALLY, UM, IN 2016, IN 2017, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH TIME AND SERVICE HOURS WE SPENT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKS.
AND WHICH IS OUR TWO BIGGEST THINGS.
UM, PARKS ACTUALLY IN 2000, AROUND 2008, 2009 OR 10, BASICALLY YOU TOOK OVER THE CLOUD PARK INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM THAT REALLY INCREASED OUR, OUR SERVICE PARKS.
BASICALLY NOW WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE'VE BASICALLY KIND OF SPEND 50% OF OUR TIME IN MAINTAIN SUPPORT SUPPORT SYSTEMS. AND ALSO A BIGGEST INCREASE TOO, IS IT'S MISCELLANEOUS THINGS WE'VE TAKEN ON WITHIN THOSE YEARS, TOO SPECIAL EVENTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO WE'RE DOING MORE NOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE BIGGEST THING, UM, IN 2008, I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER IS DO MORE WITH LESS, WELL, WE'VE BEEN
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DOING THAT FOR, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS, IT'S JUST PROBABLY WORKS MODELING WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL LET YOU LOOK AT THESE SLIDES A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE FOREST TO GET MORE IN DEPTH WITH THOSE, BUT, UM, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING MEASURABLES AND NOT MEASUREABLES COMPARABLES, NOT COMPARABLES.
UM, THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY A STUDY THAT, UH, THE CITY OF BEAVER CREEK DID.
THESE ARE THEIR FIGURES THAT THEY CAME UP WITH, UM, BACK IN, UM, NOVEMBER 21, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR OVER THERE CONTACTING WITH SOME OF HIS INFORMATION.
SO I JUST TOOK IT FROM THEM AND, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE TO DO A LOT BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION WAS ALREADY THERE.
RIGHT? UM, THESE COMPARABLE, YOU SEE WHAT THESE IN THE CITY OF XENIA, CENTERVILLE, FAIRBORN, BEAVERCREEK, CATTERY YOU SEE THE LANE MILES WORKERS PER LANE MILE IT'S PROVIDED NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING WELL, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY WITH THAT IS THE NON COMPARABLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS THE CITY OF CENTERVILLE IS, HAS 10.
WELL, THEY ALSO HAVE A PARKS DEPARTMENT.
THEY ALSO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SERVICE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING WITH, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE, LANDSCAPE, AND OTHER THINGS, BASICALLY WE'RE A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS DOING THE 17 EMPLOYEES, EVERYTHING FROM, FROM BUILDING MAINTENANCE TO BASICALLY ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE PROVIDED.
SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST ORANGE COMPARISON THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT BETWEEN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE VANDALIA DOES DO A BIT, YOU KNOW, WITH PARTS AND STUFF, BUT IT'S, THAT'S THE BIG BANG THAT WE'RE GETTING WITH US AS FAR AS OUR SERVICE PROVIDED WITH PUBLIC WORKS PAST 25 YEARS IN THE MILITARY THAT HAVE INCREASED HERE.
LIKE I SAID, I BROUGHT THE TOM CLOUD PARK OF COURSE YEARS AGO.
UM, OF COURSE WITH THE SPLASH PAD KROGER QUIET CENTER, UM, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T THINK WE TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT YES WE DO.
AND WE DO MAINTENANCE THERE WHEN YOU DO THINGS.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY KNOCKING HERE WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE DO NOT TOUCH AT ONE TIME AND, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT AT ONE POINT.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, YOU HAVE THE DISC GOLF COURSE ROSE OF COURSE.
UH, MIKE HAS CAKE PART LAKE LATELY, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL, ADDITION OF NUMEROUS STRUCTURES AND PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN THE RECENT YEARS.
UM, THIS IS A MORE STRICTLY APPEALING LANDSCAPE AREAS AROUND THE CITY.
UM, THAT GOES BACK TO A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH APPROPRIATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE GYM.
YOU KNOW, THOSE AREAS NEED NOW UPKEPT AND A REVITALIZATION PLAN.
I'M BRINGING THAT TO YOU IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
UM, AND HERE'S THE BIGGEST ONE.
WHEN I STARTED HERE ROUGHLY 110 TO A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED LANE MILES HERE TO MAINTAIN, UM, NOW THERE'S OVER 420 FROM THE AREA.
UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY AN INCREASE OF 360 LANE MILES THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED ON A DAILY BASIS WITH SNOW REMOVAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST BECAUSE YOU GO DOWN TO A ONE OR TWO OR TWO, YOU GOTTA GO DOWN TO A ONE TO A 2, 5, 6, 7 TIMES, ESPECIALLY THE TURN LANE.
SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE WHERE WE GET THE LANE MODELS.
SO THAT, THAT KIND OF LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GOING IN THAT THE LANE MILES ALSO CONTINUE THAT COUNT INTO YOU, GET INTO A PLANTED AREA AND TELL THEM WHAT KIND OF SNOW REMOVAL OR THINGS THAT YOU HAVE OR ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST TAKE ONE WAY IN ONE WAY.
WELL, ALSO YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAD TO TAKE THREE WAYS BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT TAKES THAT LONG TO MAINTAIN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT WITH NOT DOING THOSE AND NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH WHAT PUBLIC WORKS IS ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PUBLIC ONE, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, ONE MAJOR RULE THAT, UH, UH, BRIAN I DISCUSSED THAT I, AND I TRULY BELIEVE IN IS THAT YOU CANNOT MAJOR IN THIS TIME AND TO REITERATE TIME IS, UM, THE TIMEFRAME WE'RE ABLE TO FORM THINGS.
AND I KIND OF LIKED THIS SLIDE THAT I PUT UP HERE BECAUSE IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS A PERSON.
AND, UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY TAKE A MAJOR, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT STAFF.
THEY'RE VERY COMMENDABLE FOR THE JOB THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH SUCH A SHORT, UM, SMALL STAFF WITH WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE'VE BECOME YOU, THE CITY WE'VE GROWN INTO.
UM, SO, AND, AND THEN THE TIME ASPECT TOO IS, IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO THINK SUSTAINABILITY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE GROWN AND WE'VE BECOME THE CITY.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW IS OKAY.
IT COMES TO A POINT ALMOST WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START MAINTAINING MORE AND MORE WITH THAT BECOMES YOUR, YOU HAD TO, WE HAD TO PICK A CHOOSE WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OR NOT PROPERLY MAINTAINED, OR SOMETHING'S GOING TO FALL BESIDE THE, BESIDE THE WAYSIDE.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS PARK.
UM, AND YOU REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, PARKS FELL BY THE WAYSIDE BECAUSE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE 13 INDIVIDUALS, THAT'S ALL WE HAD.
SO THEREFORE THOSE THINGS WERE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER.
SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THE SLIDES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE HERE NOT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE HOLE.
UM, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE OVER THE YEARS THAT I JUST FOUND, UM, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT JUST TO LOOK AT LATER WHEN I TOOK OVER HERE, I, AS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD 12 YEARS AGO, UM, THE FIRST WINTER I RAN INTO, I DON'T KNOW IF MARTIN, I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER, TAYLORSVILLE BLEW UP.
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IT LITERALLY LIKE TURNED INTO TO THE MOON.THIS IS A FORCE MADE THAT WE FIXED YEARS AGO.
UM, THIS IS THE 400 YEAR FLOOD ON YOUR FAR RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT WE'VE, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TORNADO, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING, SO WE'RE VERY ACTIVE AND DOING THINGS THAT WERE REALLY ACCOMPLISHED.
UM, I GOT THIS, UH, MY STEPSON LIVES IN THE SOUTH AND I WAS DRIVING THROUGH ONE DAY AND I GOT OFF IN THE ACCIDENT AND, UM, I SEEN THE STREET SIGN.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST INTERESTING THREE SIGN I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
SO I KIND OF PUT THIS IN HERE BECAUSE WHAT AM I ASKING FOR? BUT BASICALLY, UH, WE KNOW THE REALIZATION OF SOME THINGS OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IT BEING A LITTLE BIT FORWARD.
UM, BRIAN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, HERE'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN INDUSTRY WRECKING, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT SHOULD BE ESSENTIALLY TO MEET THE CURRENT MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, UM, WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF ONE STREET TECHNICIAN IN 2023, I'M A SUPERVISOR ONE STREET TICKETS WHO DOES A 24 APPROVE LEADER, UM, IN 2025 IN THE STREET TECHNICIAN AND IN 2026, ANOTHER STREET TECHNICIAN.
BUT THAT LOOK OUT IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, IT WOULD BE THE 22 STREET TECHNICIANS, TWO MECHANICS, THREE CREW LEADERS TO SUPERVISORS AND ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY AND A DIVISION HEAD.
AND BASICALLY I THINK THAT WOULD WITH THE EXPECTED GROWTH, I THINK WE'RE WAITING TO RECEIVE WITH THE ADDITION OF, UM, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS ASPECTS AND THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THEY'RE BEING DISCUSSED BY COUNCIL AND DECIDED UPON, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A MINIMUM LEVEL WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KIND OF AIMED TOWARDS AND GO TO, UM, HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO BE FUNDED.
I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT MOVING FORWARD, BUT THIS IS KIND OF MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND LOOKING INTO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANKS, MIKE, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MARK.
MIKE, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, THAT YEAR THAT YOU HAD TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, I THINK WITH ALL THE POTHOLES, I THINK THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT WE HAD TO PASS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION AND INVOKE THE CHARTER PROVISION.
AND I THINK WE SPENT ABOUT $500,000 OVERNIGHT TRYING TO FIX ROADS BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE AND THE THOUGHT.
UM, BRIAN, THE WATER MEANS THAT WE TALK ABOUT, YES, SIR, THAT WE'RE STUDYING AND THAT STUDY IS GOING TO HELP US KNOW WHAT'S UNDERGROUND AND WHAT PLAN WE CAN PUT TOGETHER AND WHAT SIZE THE PLAN NEEDS TO BE.
DON'T DON'T WE WISH WE HAD DONE THAT PLAN EIGHT, 10 YEARS AGO.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO HELP US NOW.
IT WOULD COST LESS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD, WOULD IT BE HUNDREDS OF WATER, MAIN BREAKS? WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD HUNDREDS OF WATER MAIN BREAKS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MIKE, WITH THAT SAID WE BETTER GET A PLAN ASAP ON OUR PUBLIC ASSETS, LIKE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, LIKE THE EICHELBERGER, THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER, WE'VE BUILT THESE THINGS AND WE'VE ASKED YOUR SMALL CREW TO HELP US MAINTAIN THEM AS WE'VE CONTINUED TO PILE ON TOP OF EVERYTHING.
THOMAS CLOUD PARK, UH, I THINK THE COUNTY GAVE THAT TO US FOR A DOLLAR BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND YOU HAVE, I'M GOOD WITH YOUR ASK.
HERE'S MINE, DON WEBB, YOU AND I HAD TALKED TO SCOTT BELL KOSKI BEFORE WE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE.
AND WHAT WAS THE PROGRAM CALLED AFTER WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THE NEED HE DESCRIBED IT, GAVE IT A NAME.
I BELIEVE WE CALLED IT ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, BUT BRIAN PUBLICLY.
AND I ASKED EVERY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT ME.
WHEN YOU PRESENT THE 23 BUDGET, IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE THAT.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE OUTSOURCED.
I WOULDN'T ASK YOU GUYS TO DO ONE MORE THING.
IT NEEDS TO BE OUTSOURCED THERE'S COMPANIES THAT WILL OUTSOURCE.
IF, IF WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE ISSUES, IT'S A PHONE CALL AND, AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE A PERSON HIRED, THAT'S GOING TO SUBLET AND FARM THAT WORKOUT AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.
IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE IT.
AND, AND I WOULD ASK FOR EVERYBODY ON THE DIOCESE TO SUPPORT THAT OUR ASSETS WILL DETERIORATE.
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OUR ASSETS THAT WE'VE LET DETERIORATE RIGHT UNDERNEATH OUR FEET.UH, WE NEED AN ASSESSMENT ON OUR ASSETS.
FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED IDENTIFY WHAT OUR ASSETS ARE.
YOU CAN HELP WITH THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'VE TOUCHED EVERY ONE OF THEM, THEN WE NEED TO SURVEY WHAT THOSE ASSETS NEED, AND WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN PUT TOGETHER.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD INCLUDE? YEAH, WE CAN.
UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, I THINK WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE RFP FOR THAT WORK IN 2023, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF THE FACILITIES.
W YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT THE MAINTENANCE, BOTH, UH, ONGOING AND CAPITAL WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR, UH, AND THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO PERFORM THAT MAINTENANCE.
WE CAN INCLUDE ALL OF THAT AT THAT STUDY, I BELIEVE.
HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY SUPPORTS THAT.
MAINTAINING WHAT WE'VE SPENT THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY ON.
UM, MIKE, IF, IF WE WANT TO HAVE YOU BETTER HEIGHTS, MORE MANICURED AS GLEN AUTO AND I'VE TALKED RECENTLY, THAT'S MORE PEOPLE CORRECT.
I MEAN, WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WITH SO MANY PEOPLE, CORRECT.
UM, I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AND MAYBE MODIFY YOUR ASK OF WE'RE GOING TO GLEN.
THEY'LL COME HERE, MAKE YOU LAZY.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN I CAME ON AND COUNCIL GOING ON SEVEN YEARS AGO, I KNOW THAT PUBLIC WORKS WITH STRUGGLING WITH, UH, FACILITIES AND PERSONNEL AT THAT TIME.
AND I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY MUCH YOUNG UNSUNG HEROES AROUND HERE AS FAR AS TAKING CARE OF THINGS, MIKE, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK I'VE CONVEYED THAT MANY AT TIMES TO YOU, I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, YOUR ASK AND I'M EVEN ON BOARD WITH MR. CAMPBELL.
IF, IF GETTING TO THAT POINT WHERE WE CAN HAVE THOSE NICE STREETSCAPES AND AN EXIT RAMP LOOKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF THAT MAKES, GIVES US THAT MORE MANICURED LOOK, UM, REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND YOU NEED TO RETOOL A LITTLE BIT, UM, WITH MR. CAMPBELL.
I THINK I CAN GET BEHIND THAT, THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
AND MR. CAMPBELL, THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OR PROGRAM, OR WHATEVER WOULD, WOULD BE A GREAT, I MEAN, ACTUALLY IT'S A NECESSITY.
UM, WE WOULDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT IN OUR PERSONAL LIVES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST IGNORING THE THINGS IN OUR HOME UNTIL THEY'RE COMPLETELY BROKEN AND SERVICEABLE, SO ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT UNTIL YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OF WATER MAIN BREAKS.
BRIAN, THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THE ASK, MY, UM, FULLY SUPPORTIVE AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED ANYTHING.
UM, MIKE, I KNOW FROM, UM, BEING UP HERE FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS, UH, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB AND, UH, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
AND I KNOW PART OF YOUR STRUGGLE HAS BEEN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD FACILITIES TO REALLY BRING ON ADDITIONAL PEOPLE OR EQUIPMENT.
AND SO I THINK YOUR ASK, AS YOU SAID, IS REALLY KIND OF A MINIMUM OKAY.
HELP US, UH, TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD.
I WOULD SUPPORTIVE EVEN MORE OF THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW, HOW YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY JUST DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OVER THE YEARS OF KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
UM, AND, AND WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR WILL WILL BLEND RIGHT IN WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS OF, OF GETTING A NEW PUBLIC, UH, WORKS, FACILITATE.
UM, SO THEY WOULDN'T COME ON BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
AND SO I SUPPORT, I SUPPORT YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT AND, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS AND YOUR WHOLE CREW.
ANYONE ELSE HEAR THAT DISCUSSION? JUST A COUPLE OF, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS, UH, TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE, UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY TO CLARIFY, BUT TO EMPHASIZE, I THINK IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT MIKE SHARED TONIGHT.
UM, LOOKING BACK UNTIL 2016, SINCE THAT WAS THE COMPARATIVE MEASURE IN HIS STATISTICS, UH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE STAFFING LEVELS LOOK LIKE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, UH, IT'S ABOUT A 20% INCREASE IN THE STAFF THAT IS AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC WORKS FROM 2016 TO 20.
NOW KEEPING THAT NUMBER IN MIND.
UH, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, ATTENTION HAS INCREASED 13% PARKS HAS INCREASED 4% AND MIKE'S FAVORITE WORD MISCELLANEOUS HAS INCREASED 127% IN THAT SAME TIME PERIOD.
SO, UH, TO THEIR CREDIT AND TO HIS POINT, THEY ARE DOING MORE WITH LESS.
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UH, AND THERE'S ONLY SO LONG THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT.ANOTHER, THE THING THAT MIKE AND I HAD TALKED IN PREPPING FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, WHETHER AT LEAST RESPECT TO HIS STAFF, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR COUNCIL IS, UH, WITH, UH, THE, UM, WITH THE TENURE OF OUR, BUT, UH, THE PEOPLE WE EMPLOY HERE ENJOY WORKING HERE.
UH, AND SO WE, ON AVERAGE, UH, OUR AVERAGE TENURED EMPLOYEES YOU'RE 18 YEARS IS HOW LONG THEY'RE HERE.
SO AT 18 YEARS UNDER THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO 24 DAYS OFF, WHICH MEANS THAT ASSUMING HIS CREW IS WELL TENURED IN WHICH THEY ARE, HE'S REALLY NOT WORKING WITH A FULL CREW ON ANY GIVEN DAY BASED ON THE BENEFITS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE ACCUMULATED DUE TO THEIR LOYALTY AND COMMITMENT TO THE CITY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE FORGET ABOUT IS THAT, UH, EVEN OUR LOYAL EMPLOYEES AND THE TIME AWAY.
AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, AND EVEN WITH THE OTHER DIVISIONS, UH, POLICE AND FIRE, A LOT OF TENURE THERE AS WELL, AND A LOT OF THAT SAME ISSUE.
UH, ONE OTHER THING I DO WANT TO ADD, UH, TO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, UH, THAT MIKE DID NOT TOUCH ON IN HIS PRESENTATION IS JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THE FACILITY.
UH, SO AS WE HAD SHARED WITH COUNCIL, WE OWN SOME ANCHORAGE UP IN CENTER, POINT 70, UH, NEXT TO THE ABF, UM, TRUCKING FACILITY.
AND SO RATHER THAN, UH, TRY AND ACQUIRE PROPERTY, UM, AND PUT CASH INTO LAND ACQUISITION, WE'VE LOOKED AT DEVELOPING THAT PARCEL.
UM, EH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, WE'VE UH, HAD A, UM, UH, A, A WETLAND SURVEY COMPLETED ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE DO HAVE A DELINEATED WATERWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SITE, UH, WHICH WE KNEW TO BEGIN WITH.
UH, AND, UH, WE WERE, UH, IDENTIFIED, WE DID IDENTIFY SOME WETLANDS ON THAT SITE, UH, THAT LEAVES US ROUGHLY NINE TO NINE AND A HALF ACRES OF USABLE SPACE ON THAT SITE, WHICH IS STILL SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN, UH, THE SPACE HE'S, UH, WORKING OUT OF NOW BEHIND, UH, FIRE HEADQUARTERS.
UH, I'VE INSTRUCTED THE ENGINEER TO ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF AN ENGINEERING FIRM, UH, TO DO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ESTIMATES IN DESIGN, ON A BRIDGING STRUCTURE.
SO OUR INITIAL ESTIMATE TO BRIDGE THE SCREEN WAS APPROXIMATELY $150,000.
AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT IS CORRECT NOW THAT WE HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION FROM THE DELINEATION STUDY.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK FORWARD OR MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, UH, WITH ADVANCEMENTS ON THE SITE AND PERFORMING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE CAN FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY, UH, FOR US, UH, AT THE BEST POSSIBLE EXPENSE TO THE, TO THE CITY.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REPORT TO PROVIDE COUNSEL THE NEXT 45 TO 60 DAYS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSIONS TO MIRROR NANCY.
UP BRIAN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, THAT BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS, THE NEW STRUCTURE IS NOT GOING TO BE THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER THAN THE GIRTH STRUCTURE? NO, NONE AT ALL.
I'M SAYING THAT, UH, EVEN WITH THE WETLANDS, THE LAND AT CENTER POINT 70 IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE SPACE HE'S WORKING OUT OF NOW.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A MUCH BETTER FACILITY AND WORK AREA.
IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT WETLANDS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE SITE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE NOT REALLY HEARD ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT MIKE IS, DO YOU HAVE HAD YOUR GROUP FOR A LONG TIME? UM, ARE WE PROJECTING AROUND OUR PLANNING FOR, UM, ANY UPCOMING RETIREMENTS OVER THE BASICALLY TO REITERATE WHAT BRIAN HAD TO POINT OUT? UM, BASICALLY HALF MY STAFF IS TENURED AND IN BEING THAT THEY HAVE 20 YEARS PLUS EMPLOYMENT, UM, BASICALLY TO, UM, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T BRING THIS UP, BUT WHEN BRIAN AND I DISCUSSED, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING, I WENT THROUGH THINGS TOO QUICK, BUT I'M SORRY.
UM, BASICALLY WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M DOWN TWO STAFF MEMBERS JUST BY THE VACATION PERIODS THAT THEY RECEIVE PER YEAR.
SO IN REALITY, IF YOU SEE ME HAVING TO 17TH STREET NEXT, I REALLY ONLY HAVE 1500 TIME AS FAR AS WORK HOURS IN A YEAR OF HER CONCERN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING GOES, IT LEADS BACK TO THE MATH, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S, WHERE HE ENDS UP.
UM, SO, UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE FOUR YEAR PLAN WAS PUT OUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NANCY, UM, THERE'S A SUCCESSION PLAN PUT IN THERE WITH, WITH BRINGING PERSONNEL UP THROUGH THAT PLANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S HOW I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THINGS THE PAST 12 YEARS IN, IN BUILDING A SUCCESSION PLAN, RATHER THAN JUST ADDING PERSONNEL FROM THE BOTTOM, KIND OF BRING THEM UP THROUGH, THROUGH WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN ATTRITION.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN THAT WAY, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THINGS.
AND I THINK IT'S WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL IN THE PAST 12 YEARS.
AND I KIND OF, THAT'S HOW I COME UP WITH W W W WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE.
LIKE I SAID, I'LL PUT THE INFORMATION OUT TO YOU.
YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IT MORE DETAILED, BUT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY FORETHOUGHT, NO MANAGEMENT.
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WE'RE GOING TO PHASE SAY A LARGE MASS EXODUS AT SOME POINT IN.THAT'S THE REASON I'VE KIND OF BUILT IT THIS WAY IN A SENSE OF IT, IT'S AN ATTRITION WITH A, TEN-YEAR KIND OF LIKE, LIKE BRIAN SAID, WE HAVE BASICALLY A AVERAGE EMPLOYMENT OF 18 YEARS.
UM, I HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE NOW WITH 30, ALMOST 30 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OF BY MYSELF, 27, ANOTHER ONE WITH 26.
UM, SO, AND THEN THAT GOES DOWN 20, 23, YOU KNOW, LOWER TWENTIES, THEN IT GOES, THEN IT GOES, THEN IT GOES DOWN TO EIGHT.
SO THAT'S THE, WHERE THE ATTRITION COMES DOWN, THE SUCCESSION PERIOD OF, OF PLANNING FOR 20, 25 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY ACTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE ON THIS, OR IS IT JUST FROM A PRESENTATION PERSPECTIVE OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, LIKE AS PART OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION? YEAH.
UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED HIRES, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE TWO RECOMMENDED HIRES FOR, UH, 20, 23.
UH, WE DID ACCOUNT FOR A NEW HIRE, UH, FOURTH QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE'LL BE STARTING OFF THAT PROCESS HERE, UH, SHORTLY.
UH, WE'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING WITH, UM, SOME OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH AND WE'RE SETTING UP OUR, UH, OUR AGREEMENTS ABOUT WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE REVENUES AVAILABLE TO BRING ADDITIONAL SUPPORT STAFF ON, TO HELP SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.
SO, UH, I WOULD TELL COUNCIL THAT AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT'S OUR INTENT TO PROPOSE THE 20, 23 BUDGET WITH, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE TECHS, UH, WITHIN THAT BUDGET.
UM, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER THAT COMPREHENSIVE BUDGET.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, OR AT LEAST WHAT WE'RE FORESEEING TO RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS ABSENT THE, THE RESOURCE OF THE CALC FULLY CALCULATED RESOURCE OF REVENUE.
SO WE'LL BE HAVING SOME DETAILED DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, BUT WE WILL BE ADDING AT LEAST IN THE INITIAL DRAFT, UH, ADDITIONAL STAFF.
SO AS THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT MR. CAMPBELL, MS RADO MENTIONED, IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS AT ALL? IS THAT MARK, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR TO HAVE THAT PLAN PUT AS PART OF THE BUDGET? DEFINITELY.
AND CAN BELIEVE OR BELIEVE WITH WHAT WE HAVE THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ABOUT THIS, BUT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UM, AS A BODY CENTERS AROUND SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WE'VE CREATED A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, A GREAT DEAL OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AND NOW WE HAVE TO KIND OF PIVOT HOW OUR ORGANIZATION FUNCTIONS TO START TAKING CARE OF THAT.
SO, UH, AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, IF, UH, IF IT WASN'T GOING TO BE STAFF'S INITIATIVE, YOU'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD IN 2023.
UH, IT WOULD HAVE COME FORWARD IN 2024 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALIGNING OUR, OUR NOW HUMAN RESOURCES, UH, TO MAINTENANCE OUR CAPITAL RESOURCES, MARK.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT WAITING UNTIL 2024.
THIS NEEDS TO START NOW, UH, THERE ARE FIRMS THAT YOU CAN CALL AND HIRE THAT'LL MAKE THESE ASSESSMENTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WAITING UNTIL 2023 AND TO GET THOSE ASSESSMENTS DONE, I'M TALKING ABOUT STARTING TOMORROW AND GETTING THOSE, UH, COMPANIES ON BOARD.
I MEAN, SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO ACT ON OR BRIAN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE JUST GONNA RECAP YOU'RE GONNA MAKE CAPTAIN? NO.
SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE IT, WE'LL BUILD IT INTO THE 20, 23 BUDGET.
SO, UH, AT COUNCIL SUGGESTION, YES, WE WILL DEFINITIVELY MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE 20, 23 BUDGET, BUT HAD COUNCIL NOT SUGGESTED IT, WE WERE MOST LIKELY GOING TO BRING IT FORWARD IN 2024.
COUNSEL HAS GIVEN THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZATION TO ENCUMBER AND SPEND MONEY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
W WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS BRIAN GETS ON THE TELEPHONE, UH, FINDS OUT WHO HE NEEDS TO PARTNER WITH AND GET THE ASSESSMENTS DONE AND GET ABOUT $25,000 WORTH OF ASSESSMENTS DONE.
AND IF THAT WILL DO ONLY THREE FOURTHS OF OUR ASSETS, THEN DO THE NEXT ONE TO GET THE LEGISLATION PASSED IT.
BRIAN DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE LEGISLATION IN FRONT OF US ASAP, BUT THE ASSETS WE'RE LATE ON THIS RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, THIS ISN'T LIKE MARK'S WANTING TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AHEAD OF SCHEDULE BEHIND SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IS THIS, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, DO YOU WANT LEGISLATION ON MONDAY'S MEETING TO BRIAN TO DO THAT, OR IS BRIAN TELLING YOU HE WILL DO THAT OF HIS SPEND? UH, AND IS THAT OKAY?
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I WOULD RECOMMEND BRIAN FIND OUT WHO THE COMPANIES ARE, WHAT IT COSTS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HAVE SOME DIALOGUE, NO, PICK THE TELEPHONE UP, YOU KNOW, MAKE CONTACTS, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE ASSETS AND MAINTAINING THEM.THERE MIGHT BE OTHER CITIES, FRIENDS OF YOURS THAT HAVE DONE MORE OF THIS THAN YOU MIGHT'VE REACH OUT TO THEM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO, PUT A PLAN TOGETHER ASAP TO DO WHAT MAINTAIN HER ASSETS, MAINTAIN HER ASSETS.
SO IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE ASSETS THERE'S WORK, WE CAN START NOW.
NOW HE ONLY HAS 40 HOURS A WEEK, SO HE MIGHT HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE OVER TO THE SIDE, BECAUSE I THINK OUR ASSETS ARE OVERDUE.
HAD WE DONE THIS WITH OUR WATER MAINS A DECADE AGO? WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD HUNDREDS OF WATER MAIN BREAKS, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT CAUSED THE WATER MAIN BREAKS.
WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER SUITED AND MORE ON TOP OF IT.
SO, SO BRIAN, I WAS JUST ASKING YOU THEM WITH THAT, WITH YOUR, UH, LEGISLATION, SORRY, ALLOWS YOU TO SPEND UP TO $25,000.
DOES THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D TAKE CARE OF? DO YOU COUNCIL DIRECTION LEGISLATION TO DO THAT? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF AN EMAIL LESSON? LET US KNOW WHAT YOU FIND OUT.
WE, WE CAN BEGIN, WE CAN BEGIN ASSEMBLING SOME INFORMATION TO HELP US EXECUTE A STRATEGY, UH, IN 2023, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I'M ABSENT THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WORK.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO START COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS ON, UH, ON SEVEN DIFFERENT UNIONS.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO START THE BUDGET PROCESS.
WE'VE GOT TWO MAJOR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE FINALIZED BEFORE YEAR'S END.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME CAPACITY ISSUES SO I CAN WORK TO ASSEMBLE WHAT INFORMATION I CAN.
AS SOON AS WE CONCLUDE THE DECK WITH, WITH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, OPERATIONALLY SPEAKING, UH, THERE ARE MANDATED MANDATED OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE ON MARK.
SO LET'S SPEAK ABOUT A MANDATED OBLIGATION, LIKE, UH, NEGOTIATING UNION CONTRACTS.
YOU CAN OUTSOURCE THAT THE CITY HAS, I'M SURE YOU HAVE AT OTHER CITIES, HAVE YOU NOT, I'D GET THAT OFF BY PLATE SO I CAN GET TO THIS OTHER PROJECT.
I THINK IF WE INVEST A FEW HOURS, NOW WE CAN START THE PROCESS OF HITTING PEOPLE OUT TO START INSPECTING OUR ASSETS, COMING UP WITH PRICES, ESTIMATES, PLANS.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING THE ASSETS TOMORROW.
I'M TALKING ABOUT STARTING THE PROGRAM.
AND IF WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WAY LIKE UNION NEGOTIATIONS, I'M NOT ADVOCATING OUTSOURCING THAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO OTHER STUFF LIKE OUR ASSET MAINTENANCE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
ANY, ANY OPINIONS FROM ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO EXPEDITE, OR WE DON'T NEED TO EXPEDITE.
UM, MARK, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THE REASON BEING, UM, OUR CONVERSATION WITH SCOTT KOSKI WAS SHORTLY AFTER HE BECAME INTERIM CITY MANAGER, WHICH TELLS YOU HOW MANY MONTHS AGO THAT THAT GOES BACK.
AND THE ISSUE IS ONE OF BOTH IDENTIFYING ALL OF OUR CITY ASSETS AND THEN NOT JUST MAINTAINING, BUT, UM, PROACTIVELY GOING OUT AND TAKING A LOOK AT WHEN WILL THEY NEED REPLACED, REPAIRED.
UM, WHAT HAVE YOU, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE CONSTANTLY, MIKE IS CONSTANTLY FIGHTING FIRES.
WE'RE OUT THERE WITH, UM, WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE SPLASH PAD MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, THE PROACTIVELY LOOKS AT THE SPLASH PAD AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MAY 1ST, THIS HAS TO HAPPEN WITH THE SPLASH PAD.
SO WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ASSET MANAGEMENT, IT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR, I'LL JUST SAY, WELL OVER A YEAR.
AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE JUMP ON THIS RIGHT NOW AND BEGIN TO CONTAIN, UM, WHAT WE'VE DESCRIBED AS ALL THE FIREFIGHTING WE HAVE TO DO RUSH OUT AND FIX THIS, RUSH OUT AND DO THAT.
UM, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND MOVING ON THIS AND MOVING QUICKLY, I NEED IT.
LIKE YOU DO A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH YOUR CAREER, BY THE WAY.
UM, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MARK AND DAWN, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE SOONER THAN LATER.
I AGREE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE WATER MAIN ISSUES IF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT 12 YEARS AGO.
UM, I WANT TO START LOOKING AT THINGS MORE PROACTIVE IN THE CITY, NOT REACTIVE, AND YEAH, IF GETTING SOMETHING OFF OF BRIAN'S PLATE NEED SOME FUNDS GOING THAT WAY.
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ALSO WHY WE'RE THROWING UP BUDGET THINGS.I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A GRANT WRITER TO BE PUT ON BOARD BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE OUT NANCY WAS IN THE SAME MEETING.
I THINK WE'RE MISSING OUT ON SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO SOME GRANTS, TO DO SOME THINGS AND TAKE OFF SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND HERE IN THE CITY.
AND ONE GOOD GRANT ON A FEDERAL LEVEL YOU GOT THAT POSITION PAID FOR.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT ADDING A GRANT WRITER ON THE TIO FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, YEAH, I THINK WE, LIKE ANITA SAID, I'VE TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THE SUPPORT THAT WE DO NEED A GRANT WRITER.
AND IF IT IS GOING TO TAKE AWHILE TO HIRE ONE, WE NEED TO CONTRACT ONE IN THE MEANTIME, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY HANGING OUT THERE FROM FEDERAL AND STATE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON.
SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE, BUT, UM, ON THE ISSUE OF THE ASSET MANAGEMENT, WE NEED TO DO THIS, UM, RIGHT.
AND, UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE HELD TO A, TO A TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR BUDGET BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US UTILIZE SMART CITY TECHNOLOGIES IN ORDER TO HANDLE OUR MAINTENANCE AND OUR, AND OUR, UH, ASSET MANAGEMENT AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ROLLED INTO THE OVERALL PLAN.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONTRACT THAT OUT AND GET SOMEONE GOING ON IT AND, AND TAKE THAT OFF OF BRIAN'S PLATE.
MA'AM UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD GO TO MIKE OR BRIAN OR A COMBINATION THEREOF, BUT ONE OF MY IDEAS, I AGREE WITH ASSET MANAGEMENT IDEA.
I AGREE WITH YOUR GRANT WRITER IDEA.
UM, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ASSETS AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF WORK TO PUT UP A FEW SIGNS.
IF YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE, HERE'S OUR EMAIL, HERE'S A PHONE NUMBER, PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE FOR PROBLEMS, REPORT OUR CONCERN, AND WE WOULD GET THE CONCERNS COMING IN, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT THEM RIGHT AWAY TO LIKE, HEY, SPLASH PAD IS BROKEN, WE NEED A PLUMBER.
AND I THINK MAYBE WE NEED SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THE ORGANIZATION CHART, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMEONE TO MANAGE THAT THAT'S GOING TO GO.
MAYBE IT'S ALREADY IN THERE WRITTEN IN THE PROGRAM OF REPORT A CONCERN, BUT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THAT DEPARTMENT.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, UH, SO BRIAN IS ONLY ABLE TO DO THIS UP TO THE $25,000.
SO THIS IS COUNSEL, UH, AGREEING TO LEGISLATION THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW NOT TO EXCEED FOR THIS TYPE OF ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AT, UM, AS COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL, UM, ALLUDED TO, UH, IT'S, WHATEVER BRIAN'S COMFORT LEVEL IS, BUT TO GIVE HIM THE SUPPORT THAT HE NEEDS.
I THINK A RESOLUTION, UH, FOR MONDAY, UH, TO AUTHORIZE HIM TO, UM, WORK ON THAT, UH, GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DO, UH, HIS NECESSARY RESEARCH.
AND, UH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT AN ASSET MANAGEMENT CONTRACT WOULD, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY INCREASE THAT AMOUNT IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ESTIMATE BY THEN.
UM, I CAN VOTE ON THAT AND SUPPORT THAT ON MONDAY.
OH, IF I MAY, I, I THINK THE WILL OF COUNCIL THIS CLEAR, SO WE WILL BEGIN LOOKING FOR INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER INAPPROPRIATE PROPOSAL.
SO RATHER THAN JUST PICK AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, OKAY.
LET'S LOOK AND SEE WHO IN OUR REGION PERFORMS. THESE PLANS, WHAT ADVANCED INFORMATION THEY'LL NEED.
WE'LL GET SOME ESTIMATES AND THEN WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TOGETHER BEFORE COUNCIL, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
AND BRIAN, I THINK, UM, YOU HAVE CERTAINLY $25,000 OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDING, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND IF ANYTHING, ADDITIONAL NEEDS TO COME OUT, CERTAINLY, UM, I'M SURE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER THAT AND VOTE, VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT IT WOULD COME BACK TO US.
I THINK THIS IS, UH, SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER GETTING THAT PROCESS STARTED.
SO I WILL JUST ASK ONE LAST TIME.
EVERYONE'S SATISFIED THAT, UH, BRIAN UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE ASKING AND WE WILL HEAR BACK FROM HIM, UH, INFORMATION.
AND IF THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE THAN HIS DISCRETIONARY, UH, $25,000 SPEND, HE'LL LET US KNOW, AND WE CAN PREPARE, UH, LEGISLATION OR WE'LL HAVE LEGISLATION THAT TONY CAN WORK WITH BRIAN TO PREPARE THEM TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
MARK MIKE, THE TENURE THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS OR DIVISION HAS SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO YOUR ABILITY TO MANAGE NUMBER TWO OUTSOURCING WORK BECAUSE OF OUR CITY, NOT HAVING ALL THE RESOURCES ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, UH, HAS BEEN MASTERED BY YOUR DIVISION.
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UH, YOU'VE YOU'VE HAD SO MUCH TO DO AND YOU'VE NEGOTIATED CONTRACTS WITH VENDORS.AND AFTER YOU'VE ENTERED INTO THOSE AGREEMENTS, YOU'VE MANAGED THOSE VENDORS.
THE PEOPLE AT MOE ARE INTERSTATE AT 70 AND 2 0 2, DO A TREMENDOUS JOB.
THAT'S THE FRONT DOOR OF OUR CITY, AND IT LOOKS BETTER THAN IT EVER HAS HAD.
HOW LONG HAD THEY DONE THAT? THE CURRENT CONTRACTS ARE NOW MY NEXT STEP, JUST TO REITERATE YOU BACK, SORRY, I'M SORRY.
EVERY ONE OF THE STATION IT'S GOING TO BE TO, UM, COME TO COUNCIL WITH A PLAN TO SEEK AN ARCHITECTURE, TO DEVELOP THAT AS OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE REGION HAVE, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MORE AESTHETIC APPEALING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO W W WHERE YOU IN OFFICE, WHEN MAYOR JACK HENSLEY WAS IN OFFICE? I WAS, UM, I WAS A SUPERVISOR THEN.
DO YOU REMEMBER HIS SAYING WAS HE TOOK US FROM WORST TO FIRST ON THE INTERIOR STREETS AND, AND WE HAD MORE POTHOLES THAN YOU GUYS COULD EVER HAVE TIME TO FILL.
REMEMBER, SO HOW WE OUTSMARTED THAT WAS AN INTERIOR STREETS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE HAD THAT INTERIOR STREETS MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR DECADES NOW, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S ELIMINATED, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED.
THAT'S ALLOWED US TO CONTINUE GROWING, UH, THE CITY AND NOT THE PERSONNEL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND WE'RE BEHIND DOING THAT.
AND I WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING BRIAN IN THIS ROLE AND GETTING IT DONE, BECAUSE YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK AT SOME OF OUR ASSETS TODAY, AND THEY'RE NOT BEING MAINTAINED, BUT THE TENURE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX IS ENABLED US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CITY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE AND VERY PROUD OF.
SO THEY WERE PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT, UM, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS THERE.
SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING INFORMATION BROUGHT BACK FROM BRIAN REGARDING AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.
[ Dogtown - Demolition Services - Solicit Bids]
IS ITEM THREE F UH, WHICH IS DOGTOWN, UH, THE DEMOLITION SERVICES THEN SOLICITING THOSE BITS, BRIAN.SO, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, MARION MEADOWS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UM, ALL STARTS COMING TOGETHER.
UH, WE ARE SEEKING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, JUST A SOLICITATION, A SOLICITATION OF BIDS, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, STRUCTURE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS BUILDING LINED UP FOR DEMOLITION, UH, VIA A LAND BANK GRANT, BUT THAT DEMOLITION ISN'T SCHEDULED TO OCCUR UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL OF 2023.
UH, HOWEVER, IF EVERYTHING MOVES FORWARD WITH OUR PARTNERS AT HOMESTEAD, UH, WE SHOULD CLOSE WITH THEM, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE END OF 2022 FIRST PART OF 2023.
SO WE WILL BE, UH, JUST IN ADVANCE OF THAT GRANT, UH, IN FAR, BE IT FROM US TO LET, UM, SOMETHING AS LITTLE AS DEMOLITION GET IN THE WAY OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXABLE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE, UH, SOLICITING, WE'RE SEEKING TO SOLICIT BIDS, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU AUTHORIZE LEGISLATION, UH, NEXT WEEK SO THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY IN THE MARKET, GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS MIGHT COST.
SO THAT IF YOU'RE A, IF WE ARE REQUIRED TO EXECUTE IN ADVANCE, UH, OF THE, A YEAR WITH A HOMESTEAD IN THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO COME DOWN, WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO DO THAT AND NOT HOLD THEM UP.
UH, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY DEFER IT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GRANT, UH, THEN WE'LL ALSO BE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.
SO WE JUST SIMPLY ASK THAT YOU AUTHORIZE THIS, UH, THIS RFQ, OR EXCUSE ME, THIS RFP, UH, SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE SERVICES AVAILABLE IF NEEDED.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ Liquor Permit #01802530463 - AMVETS Post 464 - 5420 Brandt Pike]
IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 0 1 8 0 2 5 3 0 4 6 3.THIS IS FOR AMVETS POST 4 64 AT 54 20 BRAND PIKE, TONY.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT AT AMVETS POSTS 4 64 AT 40 54 20 BRAND PIKE.
UM, THE APPLICATION DOES NOTE, UM, THAT IT IS THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING.
SO I ASSUME THEY'RE GETTING A LIQUOR PERMIT FOR A DIFFERENT PART OF THE, UH, THE POST.
UM, I WILL BRING YOUR ATTENTION.
IT IS A D FIVE PERMIT, BUT IT'S NOT A GAS STATION.
SO I ASSUME THAT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL.
UM, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS AND, UH, THEY
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HAD NO OBJECTIONS, SO THEY APPROVE ALL THIS LIQUOR PERMIT.SO WITH COUNCIL'S PERMISSION, I ASKED TO PUT A MOTION ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY FOR THAT APPROVAL.
IF IT SPECIFIES FRONT PART OF BUILDING ON THE APPLICATION.
SO I'M THINKING IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE HAVING TO HAVE A SEPARATE LIQUOR PERMIT FOR ANOTHER PART OF AT, OH, THANK YOU.
MA'AM UM, I AM A LIFETIME MEMBER OF AMVETS AND THIS IS MY HOME POST, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T FREQUENT IT VERY MUCH, BUT, UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF AN ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ETHICS, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM DISCUSSION IN THIS VOTE BECAUSE I SURE DON'T WANT TO BRING UP ANOTHER COMPLAINT AGAINST ME.
SO, UH, TRYING TO AVOID CONTROVERSY, TONY.
AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT RECUSAL WOULD BE NECESSARY UNDER THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
YOU DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE ENTITY.
UM, SO, UM, BUT IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DO THAT, THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT THEY NEED.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT OPINION, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE I AVOID THE CONTROVERSY, I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ANYWAY.
AND, UH, IF I GET AN OPINION FROM JERRY, UM, WHEN HE COMES TO A MEETING AND, UH, THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, BUT THANK YOU.
MA'AM UM, KATE AND THEN DAWN, THANK YOU.
MA'AM UM, I THINK IT'S, THEY HAVE A HALL RENTAL, SO THIS MAY COVER EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE HALL.
SO COULD WE CLARIFY THAT ON THEIR APPLICATION OR THEIR ACTUAL FACILITY OF THEIR OWN USE FOR THERE THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT CLARIFIED? YEAH, I CAN SEEK OUT THAT CLARIFICATION.
I WOULD JUST REMIND COUNCIL THAT THIS PROCESS HERE, WE'RE NOT APPROVING THESE LIQUOR PERMITS WHEN THEY COME THROUGH.
WE'RE JUST THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO OBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF IT BY THE OHIO DIVISION OF BLINKER CONTROL.
SO OUR ONLY ROLE OR RIGHT IN THIS PROCESS IS TO REQUEST A PUBLIC HEARING, TO OBJECT, TO THE APPROVAL OF THE LIQUOR PERMIT AT ANY OF THESE, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS.
UH, IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE RIGHT TO DISAPPROVE IT.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE TO EXPRESS OPPOSITION TO THE APPROVAL OF IT BY THE HIGHER DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL WOULD BE TO REQUEST A HEARING, UM, TO OBJECT TO THE GRANTING OF THE LIQUOR PERMIT.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
I WAS HOPING FOR CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE A, LET'S HAVE A MOTORCYCLE RIDER FOR THE DAY, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE SHOTS OUT FRONT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO AVOID.
IF, WHEREAS IF THEY'RE RENTING A ROOM OUT FRONT AND THEY'RE MAKING AVAILABLE TO BRIDAL SHOWERS OR BACHELORETTE PARTIES OR WEDDINGS, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE THEM HAVE BUSINESS AND PEOPLE BE THERE FOR AWHILE VERSUS THE D FIVE AND HALF SHOTS.
LIKE WE'VE HAD OTHER PROBLEMS. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF OBJECTING AS A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING.
CAUSE IF YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR, THE BAR IS RIGHT THERE AND THEY SERVE LIQUOR.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SEPARATE THING IS.
I MAY BE OFFERED MAYBE ABLE TO OFFER SOME INSIDE CLARIFICATION, A POPULAR STREET VENDOR STREET, FOOD VENDOR HERE IN HERE PER HEIGHTS HAS, UM, WE'LL BE LEASING THE FRONT PORTION, UH, FOR A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT THERE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY HIM VETS IS REQUESTING A SECOND LIQUOR PERMIT.
WHY WOULDN'T HE BE REQUESTING IT? HE DOESN'T OWN THE BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ARRANGEMENTS ARE BETWEEN HIM AND HIM FENCE.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT IS INTENDED FOR THAT SPACE AND ABOUTS IS GOING TO HAVE A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR AS THE CHEF.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE ANSWER, BUT MAYBE THEY THINK IF FOR WHATEVER REASON HE PULLS OUT, AT SOME POINT THEY CAN GET ANOTHER ONE THAT IF THEY OWN THE LIQUOR PERMIT FOR THAT PART OF THE BUILDING, THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY'RE DOING IT THAT WAY IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
I CAN MAKE AN INQUIRY, UH, LEADING UP TO MONDAY'S AGENDA.
UM, I THINK IT'S AN EASY THING.
WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT AN OPPOSITION.
BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT THE PRO, WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE ON OUR RIGHT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING EXPRESSED.
UH, WE, WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISAPPROVE IT.
WE ONLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UM, REQUEST A HEARING AND OBJECTION, THAT IS THE ONLY BATTLE.
AND IF WE DON'T ACT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THIS, THEY APPROVE IT HERE.
THE OTHER THING, TONY IS ZEV THAT WOULD BE KEPT INSIDE.
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RIGHT.I MEAN, I KNOW THE GUYS GOING TO HAVE AWESOME RESTAURANT THERE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THE FIVE ALLOWS HIM TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
WELL, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER THE, THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE ON A D FIVE PERMIT.
SO CAN WE GET, JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION WITH THIS LEGISLATION FROM MONDAY? YEAH.
I'LL MAKE THE ATTEMPT TO DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT BEEN OUR NORMAL FURTHER PROCESS, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE, YOU KNOW, IT DEPEND ON THEIR COOPERATION AND STUFF AND PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT INFORMATION WILL BE NECESSARY JUST SO WHEN SOMEONE DOES HAVE AN OBJECTION, THEY CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
IF THERE IS AN OBJECTION, I DON'T FORESEE IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE SPECIFIC APPLICATION OF IT IS.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING, UH, WITH SOME CLARIFICATION.
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Personnel Appeals Board - Appointment]
ITEM THREE H WHICH IS A BOARDING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.UH, JUST ONE THIS EVENING, A, AN APPOINTMENT TO THE REMAINING ONE VACANCY ON THE PERSONNEL APPEALS BOARD.
UH, WE RECOMMEND THE APPOINTMENT OF JENNIFER BEARD TO THE PERSONAL APPEALS BOARD FOR A TERMINATING MARCH 31ST, 2020 FOR THE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITH HUMAN RESOURCES ON MS. BEARD.
AND, UH, SHE WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT FOR THE CURRENT VACANCY.
SO, UM, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE INTERVIEW PANEL INJECTIONS.
[ Ordinance To Appropriate Property - Well Field]
THREE, I, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE TO APPROPRIATE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE WELL FIELD, RIGHT? AH, YES, THERE IT IS.MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS LEGISLATION IS A TECHNICAL FORMALITY TO PROCEED, UH, WITH, UM, UH, UH, WITH ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE TO, UH, THE WISHES OF THE CITY FOR THE, UH, EXPANSION OF THE WELL FIELD.
UH, HOWEVER, I WOULD DEFER TO THE OPINION OF THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WENT TO LAW SCHOOL, UH, WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND, UH, UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.
UH, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THERE IS ONE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS MATTER, UH, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT YOUR DECISION TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS MATTER AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, UH, NEXT WEEK.
SO THIS WAS PLACED LAST ON THE AGENDA IN THE, UH, WITH THE INTENT THAT IF COUNCIL WANTED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE OTHER ITEM, THEY COULD ALSO DO SO FOR THIS ITEM TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TOGETHER, UM, MR. MCDONALD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
HE HAD A FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY HE IS ABSENT THIS EVENING, UH, WAS UNPLANNED.
SO WITH COUNCILS, UH, AGREEMENT, UH, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, WHICH WOULD BE THIS ISSUE OF THE ORDINANCE TO APPROPRIATE FOR THE WELL FIELD, AND ALSO TO CONSIDER THE SALE OF PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID, WHICH WOULD BE A SEPARATE ISSUE.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE TWO ITEMS THAT TONY'S AGENDA? NANCY? I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
TILL YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
MR. LIONS, NO, MRS. KITCHEN FOR WEB.
AND THAT WOULD BE APPROVED SIX TO ONE, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO WE WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL COME BACK OUT AND, UH, CLARIFY IF ANY ACTIONS WERE TAKEN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE WAS NO FORMAL ACTION TAKEN.