Jul 19, 2022 Council Work Session

NEXT UP IS ID NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND NOT IN THREE EIGHT IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT AND ALSO A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.

NOTHING, ANY CORRECTIONS THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]

BRIAN.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

HOW ARE I'M GOOD, SIR.

HOW ABOUT YOURSELF? VERY WELL, THANK YOU.

GOOD.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNSEL.

UH, I WILL SKIP THE INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS SINCE WE HAVE THOSE ON THE AGENDA FOR LATER TONIGHT.

UH, BUT SOME OTHER MATTERS FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION.

UH, ONE WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE HAD MET WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF STAFF HAD MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION LAST NIGHT TO BEGIN DISCUSSING, UH, THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD HAD A VERY PROMISING, UH, DISCUSSION LASTED ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.

GOT SOME GOOD WORK DONE PLANNING TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN, UH, ON AUGUST 1ST FOR MORE OF THE SAME.

SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO ADVANCE THAT, UH, PRIOR TO THE AUGUST FOUR SPECIAL MEETING BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION ALSO WANTED TO LET COUNCIL KNOW ON THE 21ST OF THIS MONTH, UH, 21ST OF THIS WEEK, UH, I WILL BE MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM LWCC THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM.

UH, WHO'S ASSISTING US ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

UH, SPECIFIC TO THIS MEETING WILL BE A POTENTIAL SITE, LAYOUTS AND DESIGNS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, CITY COUNCIL FACILITY, UH, AS WELL AS AN UPDATE ON, UH, PROPOSE CHANGES TO OUR, UH, CRD AND RENOVATION PROJECT.

UH, THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES.

AREN'T AN EFFORT TO ADVANCE OUR IMAGE, UH, BUT, UH, ACCOUNT FOR INFLATIONARY COSTS THAT HAVE KIND OF PUSHED THAT PROJECT OVER BUDGET SINCE WE STARTED ON THAT.

SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO ADVANCE THAT, UH, TOWARDS OUR ULTIMATE END OBJECTIVES, A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UH, THIS THURSDAY TWO TO FOUR IS THE LAST RADIO DAY DISCOUNT UP AT THE AQUATIC CENTER.

SO PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TUNE INTO A 99.9, UH, AND JOIN US OUT AT, UH, THE AQUATIC CENTER.

ALSO WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THIS SATURDAY FROM NINE TO 11, UH, FOR HUMAN RESIDENTS, THERE IS A FREE PAPER SHREDDING EVENT AT BOTH TOM CLOUD PARK AND THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.

SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME OUT TO THAT, UH, UNLOAD ALL OF THOSE BURDENSOME, UH, CHECK STUBS AND THEN HEAD ON OVER TO THE FARMER'S MARKET AT THE ICC FROM 10 TO, TO, UH, GET YOUR FILL OF, UH, LOCAL FARE THERE, UH, AND, UH, BUY A LITTLE EXTRA SOMETHING AND YOU CAN TAKE IT BACK TO A SUMMER CONCERT SERIES AT THE ICC LATER THAT SAME NIGHT BROTHERS IN ARMS WILL BE, UH, THE BAND HOSTING AND WE'LL HAVE SOME FOOD TRUCKS THERE.

SO COME ON OUT AND ENJOY THAT PARTICULAR EVENT, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, REMEMBER TO MARK AUGUST AND SECONDS ON YOUR CALENDARS.

IT'S NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AT WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL CLEANING IS IN PROGRESS AND THE EVENT WILL TAKE PLACE FROM SIX TO EIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNSELING, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL HAS FOR ME, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UM, BRIAN, UH, IS THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL EQUITY MANAGER FROM MBA RPC INVITED TO THE, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'RE HAVING ON YOUR RFQ.

UH, WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE RFQ AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE'RE ONLY MEETING TO DISCUSS THE STRUCTURE OF THE, UH, CITIZEN'S REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO PUT TOGETHER AT THE LAST MEETING.

SO WE ARE NOT ADVANCING THE RFQ BASED ON THE COUNCIL COMMENTARY FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF THAT'S AN INITIATIVE THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO ADVANCE, UH, THEN THEY CAN PUT FORTH THE EFFORT AND DILIGENCE TO DO SO.

UH, GET WITH, UM, MS. WILLIAMS AND MR. BERGMAN AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMPANY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RICHARD? UM, RIGHT.

AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS STARTED RECEIVING NOTICES IN THE MAIL REGARDING ENERGY HARBOR.

I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A FEW REACH OUT TO ME REGARDING THE NOTICE STATING THAT, UH, UM, IT DIDN'T LOOK LEGIT.

THERE WAS NO CITY LETTERHEAD ON IT, THAT SORT OF THING.

I KNOW WE HAVE A SMALL BLURB ON OUR WEBSITE.

UM, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL HAD, UM, UH, PROVIDED DIRECTION, UH, THAT WE WANTED AN AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN, UM, WHEN IT CAME TO EDUCATION FOR THE RESIDENTS, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET AN UPDATE ON THAT SINCE THOSE LETTERS ARE STARTING TO GO OUT.

UM, I AM NOT YET FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE TOTAL CAMPAIGN INVOLVED, BUT I'M HAPPY TO,

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AND, UH, WE CAN FLUSH THAT OUT AND SEND THAT TO YOU SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH, I'VE HAD TO, I HAD TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS WITH SOME RESIDENTS AS THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT DID NOT DETAIL WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS GOING TO FULLY START AND WHEN THEY WOULD BE SEEN ON THEIR NEXT BILL, AS RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR THAT IMMEDIATE IMPACT.

UM, I WAS HOPING THAT WE AS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT LETTER PRIOR TO IT GOING OUT, UM, TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE WAS ON THERE.

BUT, UH, UM, NEEDLESS TO SAY, UM, WE KINDA NEED TO DO SOME, UH, UH, RETROACTIVE EDUCATION WITH SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS NOW.

THANK YOU, MARY BRIAN WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT A LETTER IN THE WATERMILLS I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE FOR US TO JUST PUT AN EDUCATIONAL THERE IN THE WATERVILLE.

UH, WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, AND GET SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER AND TALK AND THE WAY THAT I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY, IF EVERYBODY, IF WE CAN TELL EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S IN THE WATERMELON, YOU KNOW, THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT'S SEEMS TO BE THE QUICKEST STRAIGHTEST POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS ACCESS TO SOMETHING.

SO THERE IS RICHARD THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT LETTER SAYS, AND THEN IT'S DETAILED ENOUGH ON HOW TO OPT OUT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THAT I'VE SEEN ARE PEOPLE WHO, UH, WHO ARE ALREADY IN AN AGGREGATION PROGRAM THAT THEY'VE GOT EARLIER, ARE THEY GOING TO BE AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED? SO THAT'S WHAT, THEY'RE NOT SURE WHERE THEY GOT TO BE AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED IN OUR NEW AGGREGATE PROGRAM.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME, SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO REALLY CLARIFY SOME OF THE BIG QUESTIONS, UM, TO TONE DOWN SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

AND IF WE CAN GET IT IN A WATER BILL, WE KNOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GET IT.

AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY HAVE, UNLESS THEY JUST THROW THE WATER BILL AWAY.

BUT IF WE TELL EVERYBODY, HEY, IT'S COMING IN THE WATERVILLE, OKAY.

FROM THAT POINT, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD DO TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING.

WE'LL GET TOGETHER AS STAFF TOMORROW, APPROPRIATE STAFF TOMORROW, AND WE'LL GET POUNDED SOMETHING UP.

RICHARD, WHERE AM I? MY, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE WATER BILL IS A, IS A GREAT VEHICLE TO USE.

HOWEVER, I THINK THERE ARE RESIDENTS LIKE MYSELF WHO DON'T GET A WATER BILL BECAUSE I DO E-BILLING.

UM, SO UNLESS I GO ON TO LOOK AT MY BILL AND SCROLL DOWN TO THE MESSAGES, I'LL NEVER SEE THAT I JUST LOOK AT HOW MUCH I NEED TO PAY, GO ON AND PAY IT.

UM, I MEAN, NOT LIKE A, MAYBE A FLYER, LIKE NOT JUST SOMETHING AS A MESSAGE ON THERE, BUT STICK SOMETHING ELSE, BRIGHT YELLOW PAPER, RED PAPERS OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S MORE OF A NOTICE.

I'M NOT PAYING MY BILL ONLINE TOO, BUT I ALWAYS GET IT OPEN IT UP.

SO I KNOW HOW MUCH TO GO ON AND I PAY THROUGH MY BANK, SO I DON'T PAY THE FEE, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, SOMETHING IN THERE THEN THAT DIRECTS PEOPLE TO KNOW, HEY, DON'T JUST LOOK AT THE AMOUNT.

HEY, READ THIS.

MA'AM WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD THAT TO OUR WEBSITE? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY CERTAINLY PART PART OF THAT PLAN HYPERLINK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, THE SAME, THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID AND EVERYBODY USES THE WEB, NOT EVERYBODY.

I MEAN, UM, SO I THINK JUST THAT EVERYBODY HAS WATER, RIGHT? THE ONE THING WE KNOW IS EVERYBODY IN THE CITY HAS WATER.

SO IF WE CAN GET IT TO THEM THROUGH THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE REACH CRITICAL MASS.

SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S COMING ON A SEPARATE FLYER, INSERT INTO THE BILL, NOT JUST A MESSAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BILL.

NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I RECEIVED MINE TODAY IN THE MAIL.

IT IS IN A, UM, UM, DISTINGUISHED GREEN COLOR.

SO YOU CAN TELL IT FROM THE JUNK MAIL AND, UM, WITHIN THE, UM, NOTICE THERE'S A CLEARER INSERT ON HOW TO OPT OUT.

IT WASN'T TOO CONFUSING AT ALL TO READ THROUGH THE MAILING RIGHT SOUND.

SO JUST WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE GET ENVELOPE, TOSS IT ASIDE AS JUNK MAIL, THE INFORMATION CONTAINED ON SIDES, PRETTY CLEAR ON HOW YOU CAN OPT OUT SEPARATE SHEET TOPPED OUT ON.

SO IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD MAN.

OKAY, THANKS.

UH, NEXT

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

WE'LL GO TO ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATIONS.

UH, JIM, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? UM, GOOD.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAVE, BEFORE YOU, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL CORPORATION, UM, HAVEN'T BEEN BRINGING AS MANY TO YOU THIS YEAR.

WE'VE BEEN, I THINK, UM, STAFF'S BEEN DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE BUDGET AS, AS IT WAS ESTABLISHED.

SO I'M JUST BRINGING TO YOU THOSE KINDS OF ITEMS THAT COME UP, UH, THAT WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH.

I DO TONIGHT HAVE, UH, THE THREE THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND I HAVE THREE ADDITIONS TO THAT.

SO I'D LIKE TO DETAIL, UH, THOSE, UH, WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET WAS, UM, ACTUALLY REFERENCES ITEM 3D ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE, UM, UH, DESIGN WORK FOR WIDENING CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

AND, UH, THAT WAS ANTICIPATED TO COME IN AT $200,000.

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IT CAME IN AT 290,000.

AND SO I'M ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL $87,000, I WAS ABLE TO MOVE SOME MONIES, SO JUST NEED 87,000, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE'RE GOING TO, IT WAS SET UP IN THE BUDGET AS A TRANSFER.

I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT, TO MAKE AN ADVANCE.

SO I'D LIKE TO CHANGE, UH, REDUCE THE TRANSFER, UH, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY AT 220,000 AND ADD AN ADVANCE OF 290,000.

AND SO WHEN THE LEXINGTON PLACE TIF FUNDING DOES START ROLLING IN AT A BETTER CLIP THAN IT IS SO FAR, WE JUST HAVE ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF REVENUE.

SO FAR AS THAT COMES IN, THEN WE'LL PAY THAT BACK, UH, AS, AS THOSE FUNDS COME IN.

UH, AND THEN THE THREE ADDITIONS THAT I HAVE TONIGHT, UM, THE, UH, THERE'S A PURCHASE OF LAND.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE TO EXPAND TOM CLOUD PARK.

AND, UH, THAT'S PURSUANT TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OAK TREES DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE.

AND WE NEED ABOUT $15,000 FOR THAT.

I WAS INSTRUCTED THAT WITH, UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, TCHAIKOVSKY, AND THEN, UH, FIRE CHIEF MENTIONED TO ME THAT, UH, WE NEEDED TO BUY, UM, UH, WE NEED SOME IMPROVEMENTS DONE AT FIRE STATION 22 AND 23 TO INSTALL NEW GAS LINES.

SO THAT WAY THEY CAN RUN THE NEWER MODEL OF GENERATORS.

UM, UH, THAT'S UH, AT THE TWO STATIONS, $17,190 TOTAL THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR NON ANTICIPATED THIS YEAR.

AND SO HE ASKED ME FOR THAT, UH, TODAY.

AND, UH, AND THEN ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS FOR THE INCREASING THE MAINTENANCE CAP, UH, FOR VEOLIA.

AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, UM, CITY ENGINEER BERGMAN, UH, BRINGS THAT TO YOU USUALLY, UH, EACH YEAR, UM, SOMETIME BETWEEN JULY AND OCTOBER.

AND SO HE'S BRINGING TO YOU AT THIS MEETING, UH, THAT INCREASES 420,000, AND I'M ASKING FOR, TO BE AN INCREASE TO THE WATER FUND.

AND SO WITH THOSE THREE NEW ONES, ALONG WITH THE THREE THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET, I WOULD ASK THAT THESE BE APPROVED ON MONDAY NIGHT, UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE EXPENSES ARE NEED TO BE, UH, HANDLED IMMEDIATELY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM K MAYOR? THANK YOU, MR. BELK, COULD YOU TELL ME THE CLOUD PARK PURCHASE? IS IT ONLY $15,000 OR AN ADDITION OF 15,000? CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? SO I'M SURE, UH, SINCE I DRAFTED, PARDON ME, SINCE I DRAFTED THE AGREEMENT, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST PAYMENT OF EARNEST MONEY.

UH, THE WAY THAT THE AGREEMENT IS STRUCTURED IS, UH, AND I CAN'T THINK OF THE TOTAL, BUT THERE IS A, UH, AN ANNUAL APPLICATION OF EARNEST MONEY THAT WILL EVENTUALLY COUNT TOWARDS OUR PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT.

WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL RECEIVE FROM ODR.

UM, AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WHAT THAT TOTAL IS, BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S.

SEE THE 20, 22 SIDEWALK PROGRAM, THE ORDINANCE OF ASSESSMENT GYM.

SO WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS GUESS CLINT, JIM, THE, UH, THE INCREASE FOR VIOLA THAT WAS, YOU SAID FOR MAINTENANCE, THE WATERLINE, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED IN ITEM THREE.

UM, AND, UM, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, ITEMS. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY'S COUNSELING? OKAY.

SEEING NONE NEXT ITEM THREE.

[ 2022 Sidewalk Program - Ordinance Of Assessment]

UH, YES.

UM, UH, MY DEPARTMENT IS, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UH, SETS THESE UP, BRINGS THESE TO COUNCIL ANNUALLY.

UH, THESE ARE THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE, UM, CONSTRUCTED, UH, REPAIRED, UH, DURING 2022, THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE AFFECTED BY THESE WERE NOTIFIED A YEAR AGO THAT THIS WAS COMING AND, UH, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WE'LL HAVE THAT, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE ON MONDAY.

UH, ONCE THAT WOULD HAPPEN, THEN WE WOULD, UM, UH, THE ASSESSMENTS WOULD ONLY BE FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE NOT TO PAY.

SO WE GET THE OPTION TO PAY, UH, THIS YEAR AND AVOID ANY INTEREST, UH, ADDITIONAL COSTS.

AND SO, UH, WE WOULD SET THOSE UP FOR FIVE-YEAR ASSESSMENTS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT, UH, ARE NOT ABLE TO PAY.

I AM UPDATING YOUR COUNCIL PACKET.

I BELIEVE HAD A DUE DATE OF AUGUST 8TH.

I'VE, UH, TALKED TO STAFF AND WE CAN EXTEND THAT TO AUGUST 12TH.

SO I'LL GIVE A FEW MORE DAYS TO PAY BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME IT WOULD COME THAT WE HAVE VERY EARLY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN AUGUST THIS YEAR.

SO THE, UM, I THINK THE SECOND MEETING IS THE 22ND OF AUGUST, SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IT APPROVED THERE BECAUSE THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE BEYOND THE DATE WHERE WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE ASSESSMENTS TO, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

SO, UM, NEXT YEAR BE A LITTLE BIT LATER.

SO THIS YEAR WE'RE JUST AT THE, AT THE EARLIEST STAGE, SO WE HAVE TO BE ON, UH, AHEAD OF THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK.

SO, UH, I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE BE THAT BE APPROVED ON MONDAY NIGHT, SO WE CAN GET LETTERS OUT TO THE RESIDENTS, GIVING THEM THEIR FINAL, TOTAL DOLLARS FOR THOSE THAT OH, ON A SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.

ARE YOU ASKING FOR A WAVING IN THE SECOND READING? YES.

SO, SORRY.

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SINCE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE.

YES, PLEASE.

ITEM 3D, WHICH IS THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WEST, THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT RUSS.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE THAT ON TO A MONDAY'S MEETING.

NEXT IS

[ Chambersburg Road West - Engineering Design - Award Contract]

UH, THIS LEGISLATION ALLOWS THE CITY TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR THE ENGINEERING DESIGN OF THE WIDENING OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

THIS IS A GOING WEST FROM TROY PIKE TO THE WEST CORPORATION LINE, WHICH HAS JUST PASSED INTO COVID ROAD.

UM, WE DID RECEIVE PROPOSALS FROM FIVE QUALIFIED ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, PREPARE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS, UH, TO CITY AND ODAT STANDARDS, UH, CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING PROVIDED THE LOWEST AND BEST PROPOSAL FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.

UH, THIS REQUIRES MANY ODAT REVIEWS AND AS A FIVE-YEAR PROCESS FROM THE TIME OF THE AWARD OF THE, OF THE GRANT MONEY, WHICH WAS, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR TO THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS, UH, 20, 26, UM, THE PROPOSALS RESULTS WERE IN YOUR PACKET.

UH, CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING HAS DESIGNED MANY THINGS FOR THE CITY IN THE PAST AND HAS ALWAYS PROVIDED QUALITY WORK AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

UH, THE, THE PROPOSAL WAS FOR $260,100.

WE ARE ASKING FOR NOT TO EXCEED OF 290,000 IN THIS CASE, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A FIVE-YEAR PROCESS THROUGH THAT TIME PERIOD.

OH, DOT REVIEWS SOMETIMES REQUIRES, UH, MORE THINGS THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

AND SOMETIMES THE DESIGN COMES OUT TO BE A LITTLE MORE, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION THERE TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN.

THANKS FOR US.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANYTHING RUSTY, HAVE ANY IDEA WHY LOCKWOOD JONES AND BEALLS BID SUCH A HIGH AMOUNT? DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, I THINK THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MORE WORK INVOLVED WITH ODAT THAN WHAT'S TYPICALLY REQUIRED MORE STUDIES OR MORE, UM, UH, WELL, THEY THOUGHT THERE'D BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY AND THERE WAS, ISN'T GOING TO BE CAUSE, OH, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, BUT THAT STILL WASN'T ENOUGH TO BRING THEM DOWN TO ANYWHERE NEAR THE OTHER, THE OTHERS.

UH, I'M NOT SURE OTHER THAN THAT, THEY JUST COULD BE BUSY AND JUST PUT A BID IN JUST TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OBJECTION.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE REVIEW OF, OF THE ALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD AND, AND THE SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING, UM, THEY WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE TO EXISTING PROPERTIES AND, UM, MAKE SURE IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE AREA.

RIGHT? YEAH.

AND ANYTHING THAT, ANY TIME THERE'S A, LIKE AN EXISTING CULVERT UNDER THE ROAD, NOW THEY WILL DOUBLE CHECK THE SIZING OF IT AND EVERYTHING THEY'LL UPSIZE IT, IF IT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER, BUT ALONG THAT ROAD, THERE ISN'T ANY LARGE CULVERTS.

I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE IS LIKE A 36 INCH PIPE VERSUS LIKE, UM, CHAMBERS, WE'RE GOING EAST.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF BIG ONES THAT ARE LIKE SIX FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT THAT SIZE.

SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT BIG DOWN THAT ROAD.

UM, MOST OF THE DRAINAGE I THINK GOES EAST AND WEST RATHER THAN CROSS THE ROAD.

SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE STORMWATER SHOULD BE ANY PROBLEMS. THE PROBLEMS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE IS THE ROCK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIT IN THAT HILL, RIGHT.

JUST WEST OF OLD TROY PIKE THAT THEY FEEL WE'RE GOING TO CUT DOWN FOR SIGHT DISTANCE.

IF THERE'S ROCK ABOUT FOUR FEET DOWN AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT ALL THAT OUT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THOUGH FOR COST OF THIS PROJECT, IT'S PRETTY HIGH.

SO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING.

IS I'M THREE, WHICH IS THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR VEOLIA WATER.

AND NEXT

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Maintenance Contract - Veolia Water]

UH, YES, THIS, UH, THIS ONE WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR 20,000 TO COVER THE COST OF THREE MAJOR ITEMS. UH, THE FIRST IS, UH, DOWN AT THE WATER PLANT.

UH, THEY FOUND THAT, UH, WE HAVE FOUR WELLS THAT HAVE, UH, A 16 INCH WATER VALVE GOING TO EACH ONE AND THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS OPENING AND CLOSING THEM.

UH, THEY'RE GETTING OLD AND THEY CAN'T SHUT THEM OFF PROPERLY.

SO WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE ALL FOUR OF THEM.

AND, UH, IT'S BASICALLY FOR FUTURE MAINTENANCE OF THE WELLS, WE HAVE TO SHUT THEM DOWN TO MAINTAIN THEM.

AND, UH, THAT ITEM WAS ESTIMATED AT 160,000.

SO IT'S ABOUT $40,000 PER VILE TO REPLACE.

UM, THE SECOND ITEM IS THE PURCHASE OF A NEW PUMP AND A MOTOR FOR OUR LARGEST PRODUCING.

WELL, THIS IS KIND OF A BACKUP, UM, UH, REDUNDANCY TYPE OF THING I WANTED TO DO.

UH, IT'S 35,000 TO PURCHASE THAT, UH, MOTOR AND A PUMP.

AND WE ARE GONNA TRY TO JUST KEEP IT ON A SHELF

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FOR THAT REASON, IF IT SHUTS DOWN, BECAUSE NUMBER SIX IS OUR LARGEST PRODUCING.

WELL, IT, UH, UH, IT PRODUCES ABOUT HALF THE WATER IN THE CITY.

IF THAT ONE GOES DOWN, THE OTHER ONES BARELY KEEP UP.

AND THEN IF YOU WAIT AND NOT HAVE ONE, TYPICALLY IT'S SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS TO GET ONE.

AND THAT'S IN TYPICAL TIMES RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD IT IS TO GET ONE.

SO I'D RATHER NOT BE, HAVE THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT DID HAPPEN ONCE LAST YEAR ON THE WELL NUMBER SIX, BUT LUCKILY THE ONE COMPANY HAD ONE THAT WE COULD USE TEMPORARILY.

SO I'M ASKING FOR THAT, UM, JUST TO HAVE IT AS A BACKUP.

AND THE THIRD ITEM IS THE MAINTENANCE CAP FOR VEOLIA.

UM, I DID INCLUDE IN YOUR PACKET, THE EXPENSES THAT THEY PUT IN SO FAR THIS YEAR, AND IT'S COME UP TO 220,000 OF THE $260,000 YEARLY CAP, UM, RESTING.

THEY BOUGHT ESTIMATING ABOUT 200,000 MORE NEEDED TO GET US THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR.

UH, THIS IS FOR SOME EXPENSES THAT VEOLIA USES FOR LIKE WATER MAIN BREAKS OR ANY OTHER SMALL REPAIRS AND ANY PURCHASES THEY DO UP TO $7,500 ARE INCLUDED IN THAT AMOUNT THAT THEY'VE USED.

UH, SO THESE THREE ITEMS ADD UP TO ROUGHLY, WELL, IT'S ABOUT 395,000, AND I WAS ASKING FOR AN INCREASE OF A HUNDRED OR 420,000.

THANKS FOR US.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MARIE ROSA, HOW MUCH OF THIS INCREASE, UH, IN YOUR OPINION, AND IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TONIGHT, THAT'S FINE.

HOW MUCH OF THIS INCREASE IS DUE TO COST OF MATERIALS, UM, OUTSIDE OF WATER, MAIN BREAKS AND VALVES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU MEAN OF THE MAINTENANCE CAP PORTION OF THIS? HOW MUCH OF THAT? 200,000? I'D BE GUESSING ABOUT HALF.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE MATERIALS.

UM, YEAH, PROBABLY ABOUT HALF AT LEAST.

AND IS, IS THE INCREASE THAT WE'VE SEEN THUS FAR IN THIS AMOUNT? UM, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IT RE IN RELATION TO THE COST OF SERVICES AND GOODS THAT, UM, OUR WATER DEPARTMENT HAVE SEEN? UH, YES, YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THE, UH, IT'S PACKET.

HOW MUCH WOULD THEY BE? AND I, AND I SEEN THE FIVE PAGES YOU INCLUDE INCLUDED IN THERE.

I, IT JUST, IT DIDN'T GIVE ME A COMPARISON OF LAST YEAR OR IN PREVIOUS YEARS OF WHAT WAS SPENT, SO I COULD COMPARE, YOU KNOW, COST OF VOWELS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WATER MAIN BREAKS.

THREE F, WHICH IS A CRA AGREEMENT HATING APART MYSELF.

THE CUSTOM MATERIALS IS UP.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BANDS THEY USE FOR AN GRAVEL USE FOR WATER MAIN BREAKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I'LL USE ALL HIGHER, BUT TYPICALLY I'M HERE IN ABOUT MAYBE NEXT MONTH THROUGH ABOUT AUGUST TIME TO COME BACK FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

AND IT'S USUALLY ABOUT THE SAME EVERY YEAR.

UH, THEIR MAINTENANCE CAPS TYPICALLY USED TO BE A LITTLE ABOUT 200,000.

IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THIS YEAR, BUT, UM, TYPICALLY ABOUT THIS YEAR, THEY'RE ABOUT 180,000 VERSUS THE TWO TO 20 THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S ABOUT 30, 40,000 HIGHER THAN NORMAL.

EXCELLENT.

THANKS FOR US.

THANKS MAN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

SEEING NONE NEXT ITEM

[ CRA Agreement - Hayden Apartments, LLC - 5550 Huber Road ]

I'LL SEE YOU AT 55 50 CUBA ROAD, RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IF COUNCIL WILL RECALL, UH, THIS PROJECT IS ASSOCIATED WITH OUR PARTNERS BROAD REACH AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE.

UH, THIS IS A CRA AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPERS FAIRLY EARLY ON.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION HELPS TO FACILITATE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS, OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE IN THAT AREA TO HELP US RESOLVE SOME OF THE, UH, RESOLVE AND IMPROVE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUES THROUGH THERE AND TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NEW GROWTH.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON MONDAY THE 25TH.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM BRIAN REGARDING THE CRA WELL, NO DISCUSSION.

UP IS ITEM 3G CASE BDP 22 DASH 13 HARTMAN ONE LLC REZONING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 76 11 OAK TROY PIKE.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? ALRIGHTY.

[ Case BDP 22-13 - Hartman I, LLC - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 7611 Old Troy Pike]

UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS IS A MATTER THAT COUNCIL'S ACTUALLY SEEN PREVIOUSLY, UH, AND A FEW DIFFERENT ITERATIONS, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING BACK ONE FINAL ITERATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ACTION ON MONDAY.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS A ONE ACRE SITE.

UH, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, PLAN COMMERCIAL, UH, AND IS, UH, THE LOCATION OF MARGINAL PARKING AND OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR, UH, WHAT IS RURAL KING? UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE, UH, THE, UH, THE PARCEL TO PLAN TO OFFICE TO CONSTRUCT A APPROXIMATELY

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11,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, UH, AS A WALK IN, ER, UH, THERE'LL BE 10 ROOMS AND APPROXIMATELY 15 EMPLOYEES, UH, WITH, UH, 30 TO 40 PATIENTS PER DAY.

UH, THIS IS THE SITE, UH, OUTLINED HERE IN RED, UM, REFERENCE OUR, UH, UH, OUR PREVIOUS ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT DARK PURPLE AREA ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER IS THAT PROJECT AREA RURAL KING IS, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT THERE, UH, OF THE RED SQUARE.

UH, AND, UM, UH, THE, UH, YEAH, SO THAT IS THE PARTICULAR PROJECT SITE.

UM, AS I SAID, PREVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS, UH, SITE IN THIS PROJECT BEFORE, UH, IT HAD COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MOVED, UH, BEFORE COUNCIL.

AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN WITH, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, SOME TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ISSUES ON SITE, AS WELL AS, UH, THE SURROUNDING USE AT, UH, EXTERIOR OUTDOOR USES AT RURAL KING, UH, AND IN AN EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO, UH, WE'LL CALL IT ON THE FLY, UH, ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT JUST GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND EFFECTIVELY START OVER.

UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK HERE TONIGHT.

UH, THESE BULLET POINTS HIGHLIGHT, UH, THAT HISTORY, IF YOU WILL, THAT COURSE OF ACTION.

UH, BUT WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH RURAL KING TO, UH, USE THE EXISTING CURB CUTS.

SO THERE WOULD NOT BE AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT AT THIS LOCATION AT THIS TIME.

UH, GROUND SIGNS HAVE ALSO BEEN RELOCATED TO HELP IMPROVE VISIBILITY, UH, AND BRINGING A COMPLIANCE WITH STANDARDS.

AND THEN, UH, THIS ALSO HELPS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH ACCESS ON TAYLORSVILLE, WHICH WERE, UH, OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN WITH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS DRAWINGS, UH, OR, UH, CONCEPTS.

UH, THE CURRENT CONCEPT DOES RESEMBLE, UH, THE FOLLOWING, UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT TRIES TO ACCOUNT FOR A DEFINED, UH, UH, TRANSPORTATION LANE, BOTH NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST WEST ALONG THE SITE LINING UP WITH, UH, WE'LL CALL IT THE UNDEFINED, BUT, UH, HISTORICAL TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN AND AROUND THAT AREA, UH, IN AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PREVIOUS EXPRESSED BY COUNCIL IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THIS IS THE RELATIONSHIP, UH, OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL TO THE PROJECT SITES AROUND IT, UH, TO GIVE YOU THE APPROPRIATE CONTEXT, UH, IN CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

UH, THE PROPOSED USE IS PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED, UH, WITH THE REQUESTED REZONING, UH, AND THE SITE DOES ALLOW FOR THE 15 FOOT BUFFER, UH, AND ALL YARDS.

UH, THE PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 1181 AND THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL ADDRESS LIGHTING MECHANICAL SCREENING AND STREET TREES.

UH, THE REVISED BASIC PLAN, UH, PRESENTS THE, UH, THE GENERAL LOCATIONS OF THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, UH, WHERE THE TREES, UH, WILL BE PROVIDED AND THEN ADDITIONAL DETAIL WILL COME THROUGH IN THAT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHEN IT RETURNS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UH, PARKING IS SUFFICIENT.

UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY FIVE MORE SITES THAN REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE.

UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS CONTINUING TO WORK WITH WORLD KING REGARDING THE SPECIFICS OF ACT OF THEIR ACCESS AGREEMENT LANGUAGE.

UM, EXCUSE ME.

UM, THERE ARE NO SIGNAGE UPDATES WITH RESPECT TO THIS UPDATED APPLICATION.

UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THE SIGN, UH, THAT IS PROPOSED, THE GROUND SIGN IS ACTUALLY NOW IN COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND THAT, UH, SIGNED PACKAGE WILL BE SUBMITTED INDEPENDENT OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.

UH, THIS IS A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE EXTERIOR SIGNAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT, UH, THE EMERGENCY SIGNAGE, UH, AND THE AMBULATORY BASED SIGNAGE ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH CODE.

AND SO THERE'LL BE, UH, THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHEN THE SIGN APPLICATION PROCESS COMES THROUGH, UH, THE STAFF ANALYSIS, UH, AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, THIS, UH, SITE PLAN, THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE APPROVED, UH, UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, WHICH ADDRESSES THE STREET TREES, UH, THE SCREENING FOR THE SERVICE STRUCTURES, LIGHTING STANDARDS, UH, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, UH, IS THE WALLET CANOPY SIGN ISSUE, WHICH WOULD COME BACK UNDER SEPARATE APPLICATION.

UM, THE RESTRICTION OF THE GROUND SIGN TO, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT.

AND THEN THE COMPLIANCE WITH FIRE CODE STANDARDS.

UH, THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, APPROVAL WAS THREE TO TWO, SOME ADDITIONAL NOTES FROM, UH, MR. SORRELL WHO FINDS HIMSELF IN HASTINGS NEBRASKA TONIGHT, VERY MUCH ENVIOUS OF OUR TIME HERE TOGETHER.

UH, HE ASKED ME TO NOTE, UH, THAT, UH, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS CONTINUED TO WORK WITH RURAL KING ON THE EXISTING CURB CUTS, UH, ELIMINATING THE ORIGINAL PROBLEMATIC CUTS.

A RURAL KING IS CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS ON COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR ISSUES.

UH, ALTHOUGH SEPARATE FROM THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THIS APPLICANT, IT DID KIND OF TRIGGER OUR

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AWARENESS OF THE EGREGIOUSNESS OF THEIR OUTDOOR USAGE.

UH, AND WE DO HAVE THEM MOVING THROUGH A FORMAL ENFORCEMENT PROCESS AS WELL.

UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN EXPRESSED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER VARGO REGARDING SPOT ZONING.

HOWEVER, THE PLANNER IS OF THE OPINION THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT OVERLAP IN THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE USES THAT THE MEDICAL USE IN AND OF ITSELF, UH, WOULD NOT NECESSITATE, UH, AN EGREGIOUS ISSUE OF SPOT ZONING.

UM, THE DEVELOPER OR THE PLANNER KNOWS THAT THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE SHOPPING CENTER AND AN EFFORT TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA, WHICH WE'RE SEEING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF OLD TROY PIKE AND ON THE EAST SIDE.

UH, AND IT IS THE REQUEST OF THE DEVELOPER TO WAIVE THE FIRST AND SECOND READING, BUT NOT THE EMERGENCY PROVISION AS A APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS A CONDITION OF CLOSE FOR THEM.

SO THEY WOULD LIKE, UH, FIRST AND SECOND READ THE FIRST AND SECOND WEEDING RAVED, BUT EMERGENCY PROVISION TO REMAIN.

SO THAT IS ALL STAFF HAS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, SO WE CAN PREPARE MR. CYRIL FOR HIS MORE FORMAL PRESENTATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY QUESTIONS.

PERFECT.

BRIAN, SO HAD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.

IT IS, UH, THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORT AND, AND I'M TOTALLY PREPARED TO VOTE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

MA'AM BRIAN, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY HAMBURGERS, LOOK AT THE CURVES TO ADJUST? SO TRAFFIC IS CONTROLLED.

I'M WILLING INTO THIS.

IT'S LIKE THEY CAN'T COME IN WHERE THE AMBULANCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

UH, UM, I'LL HAVE TO TALK WITH MR. SORRELL.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES HERE TONIGHT.

SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, GENTLEMEN, WHETHER OR NOT THE DEBTS, UH, IT WAS AN ACCESS ISSUE REGARDING PORK CHOPS, UH, THE DRIVEWAYS, UM, MS. BAKER.

UM, COULD YOU CONTROL THE ACCESS TO PEOPLE AREN'T CUTTING THROUGH YOUR PARKING LOT TO EXIT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE? UM, I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'D BE CONTROLLED, LIKE A, AN ARM TO GO TO, ER, ONLY AND SAY AMBULANCE ONLY CAN COME THROUGH OR, UM, HAMBURGER CUTS HAMBURGER.

IS THAT THE RIGHT TERM PORTRAIT PORK CHOPS? SOMEBODY HADN'T THAT DINNER ME GROUP YES, PLEASE.

CAUSE FOR THE MICROPHONE PURPOSES, WE JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO HEAR.

SO I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF A GATE THAT WOULD KEEP PEOPLE FROM ENTERING THE SITE.

THE CHALLENGE IS THAT A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TO COME TO THIS THROUGH AMBULANCE IS PROBABLY AROUND 5%, UM, THAT ARE COMING WITH FLASHING LIGHTS AND THE OTHER 95 ARE GOING TO BE EITHER DRIVEN TO, OR DRIVING THEMSELVES TO THE FACILITY.

SO WE, WE HAD NOTICED, THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THE QUESTION, BUT THAT HADN'T BEEN PART OF THE PLANNING SO FAR.

WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CRAZY, THE TRAFFIC OKAY.

AND THERE COULD BE, OR SOME KIND OF CALMING MECHANISM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GET IN.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

AND OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, SORRY, MR. MAYOR.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

UM, IT DID OCCUR TO ME THAT SINCE THIS IS A PUD, UH, THAT THE SIGN ISSUE WILL NEED TO RETURN TO, UH, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR A VARIANCE ON ONCE IT MOVES THROUGH ON THE SIGNED PACKAGE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT MISTAKE.

SO THAT'S ALL, SIR.

WHAT, JUST FOR CLARITY, BRIAN, UM, WE WENT THE FIRST, WE WENT THE SECOND RE UH, WAIVED, UM, WITH EMERGENCY OR WITHOUT EMERGENCY, UH, WITHOUT EMERGENCY.

SO YEAH.

SO THE REFERENDUM EMERGENCY, CORRECT.

THE REFERENDUM WOODPRO PROVISION WOULD CONTINUE.

SO LET'S SAY IT WAS ABOUT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS OFF THE PROCESS STILL THE 30 DAYS BEFORE IT'S OFFICIAL, BUT IT CUTS OUT THE TWO WEEKS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, THAT WAS A HUGE, UM, ISSUE, UH, NOT ONLY WITH RESIDENTS AND MYSELF, UH, WHEN I SEEN THAT, UM, HOWEVER, I, I, THIS IS NOW GOT ME INTO ANOTHER CONCERN BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND, UNLESS SOMEBODY HERE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, WE STILL HAVE NO RESOLUTION TO DATE, UH, WITH ROYAL KING AND THEIR OUTSIDE ZONING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, NON THANKS, MIRA, NOT A QUESTION, BUT JUST A BRIEF COMMENT.

THINKING BACK TO THE FIRST ITERATION OF THIS, WE SAW WHERE THE BUILDING WAS UP AGAINST THE SEWER EASEMENT AND WE HAD A, UM, UH, ACCESS EGRESS FROM THIS PROPERTY OUT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, UH, AND COMING OUT FOR THE PLAN THAT I THINK WORKS VERY WELL FOR THAT SITE AND ADDRESSES THE ISSUES THAT WE ADD.

SO THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THANKS TO STAFF AND OF COURSE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

THANKS TOM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS CONCERNS.

YES, RICHARD.

UM, I ALSO DO WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, THE CURB CUT ALONG TAYLORSVILLE HAS BEEN REMOVED.

UH THAT'S UM,

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UM, AND WE STILL HAVE NO RESOLUTION, NOTHING IN BLACK AND WHITE FOR THIS COUNCIL TO REVIEW THAT STATES THAT ROYAL KING IS NOT GOING TO BLOCK OFF OR THAT ENTRANCEWAY.

UM, I FIND THAT A BIT CONCERNING.

NOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS ANY DIFFERENT INFORMATION THAN WHAT I JUST STATED, I'M ALL EARS.

THE, WITH RESPECT TO THE ISSUE OF THE EASEMENT, THE ACCESS EASEMENT, THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS IT WITH MORE SPECIFICITY, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT A DEFINED, UH, DEFINED, UM, ACCESS EASEMENT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM AS A CONDITION OF CLOSE TO ENSURE THAT SUCH OBSTRUCTION COULD NOT OCCUR.

BUT YEAH.

UM, MY NAME IS JERRY ROYCE.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND WE DO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM RURAL KING AND A COMMITMENT FROM RURAL KING THAT IN FACT THEY WILL, THEY WILL KEEP THAT ACCESS AVAILABLE, UM, ALL THE TIME.

IT WILL BE A PART OF THE DECK OF DECLARATION.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT COMMITMENT FROM THEM.

IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE RECORDED.

IT WILL BE AGREED UPON AND RECORDED.

PERFECT.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, THEN I'M GOING TO POSE MY NEXT QUESTION TO JERRY MCDONALD.

UM, WHAT WOULD STOP THIS COUNCIL FROM PUTTING IT, UM, PUTTING THAT EXACT LANGUAGE IN THIS, UM, IN THIS ORDINANCE, BY THAT EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN, A GUARANTEE, UH, THAT COULD BE PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THE BEAUTY I BELIEVE IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE, THE ROAD.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A BAD, DO WE HAVE OTHER CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE I THINK WE DID.

SO THESE WERE THE SEVEN THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RELATIVE TO THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT AND LAND.

I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY HAD THOSE.

WE COULD JUST ADD THIS AS ANOTHER CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BEFORE THE ACADEMIC SPEAR, BEFORE THEIR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO ACTIONS, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDED.

UM, AND WITH THE FACT THAT I KNOW STAFF IS WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THE ROYAL KING ISSUES.

UM, AND, UH, AND WE EXPECT AN UPDATE HERE VERY SOON ON RESOLUTION OF THAT, UH, MAYOR.

I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS AT THIS TIME AND, UM, WOULD, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ON MONDAY FOR APPROVAL WE HAVE IN THE SECOND READING.

GOOD.

ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY OF THE DISCUSSION? YES.

UM, SINCE TONY'S NOT HERE, I'LL SAY IT, UH, WE WILL THEN MOST LIKELY HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ADD THAT CONDITION ON MONDAY.

I THINK THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE IT IF WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING AT THE WORK SESSION.

SO JUST TO REMIND HER THAT THERE WOULD BE A MOTION TO FEEL SOME EMOTION ADMIN AT THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.

UM, AND BEFORE ANY OBJECTIONS TO AMENDING THE, UH, OKAY, SO WE WOULDN'T NEED IT AS JERRY SAY THE MOTION TO AMEND AND THEN A MOTION TO WAIVE AND THEN ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS CASE Z 22 DASH 17 FOR MICHAEL REZONING REPLAT 94 16 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

NEXT UP

[ Case RZ 22-17 - Michael Skilwies - Rezoning/Replat - 9416 Taylorsville Road]

UH, BRIAN, BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO I HAVE RECEIVED, I'VE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MRS. GILLIES, AND SHE HAD ASKED ME TO READ IT DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, TONY HAD THEN TAKEN THAT SAME EMAIL AND IS DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO READ IT IF ALL WITH COUNCIL HAS NOW ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED THE EMAIL THAT MRS HAD SENT.

SO THIS HAS ALL COUNCIL HAD TIME TO LOOK AND REVIEW THAT EMAIL.

SO, BRIAN, UM, NOTHING NEW TO ADD TONIGHT, SIR.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS A CONTINUATION, A CONTINUATION OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE AND DEBATE SOME OF THE MATTERS.

UH, THE PRESENTATION IS LOADED HERE, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT COUNSEL HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THE INFORMATION THAT WERE PRESENTED THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER AS PART OF THE PUBLIC, UM, PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, BUT STAFF HAS NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO ADD, UH, BUT ONLY TO PROVIDE COUNSELING OPPORTUNITY TO

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CONVERSE AND DISCUSS.

SO, UH, AT THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING, YES, WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FROM THAT PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, IT WAS MOVED TO A SECOND READING, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

AND THEN NOW WE ARE THE WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THAT COUNCIL MEETING IT'S ON THE WORK SESSION FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WISHES.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT AND AFTER HEARING ALL THE INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS FROM BOTH SIDES, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY, THIS ONE'S KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I CERTAINLY FEEL, UM, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH WITH THIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS YOUR LIVELIHOOD AND YOUR BUSINESS.

UM, FLIP SIDE, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE, WELL, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER SPOT ZONING AND PROPER ZONING AND STAYING WITHIN THIS AND THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING, UM, MY HOPE FOR THIS PROCESS IS THAT WE CAN, AT THE VERY LEAST FIND THE TIME TO WORK THROUGH SOMETHING, UTILIZING STAFF HAS MAYBE A MEDIATOR OR EVEN BRING IN A MEDIATOR, UM, FOR, FOR THE SKILL WEISS IS SKILL WEAKNESSES AND, UH, THEIR NEIGHBORS TO MODERATE THIS DOWN AND COME TO A, AN AGREEMENT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH SETTING PRECEDENT FOR PUTTING A INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PIECE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF AGRICULTURAL OR FOR THAT MATTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH OF, UH, IF THAT HAPPENED.

UM, BUT I THINK MORE HEADS NEED TO GO INTO THIS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A BEST, BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS TO EITHER HELP, TO FACILITATE A RELOCATION, TO HELP, TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THE BLEED-OVER FOR, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, DOESN'T AFFECT NEIGHBORS.

UM, I'M ASKING AT THE VERY LEAST FOR SOME TIME TO, TO DIG INTO THIS AND FOR STAFF TO STEP UP AND TRY TO MEDIATE THIS SITUATION SO THAT ALL PARTIES CAN COME OUT FEELING GOOD ABOUT THE SITUATION.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S, I'M STRUGGLING THROUGH THIS ONE BECAUSE MY, MY HEART GOES OUT AS MUCH AS MY BRAIN IS THINKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.

UM, SO, SO WHERE THAT POINTS US TO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT SO I THINK GLENN, ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT, UM, I MEAN MORE TIME WOULD JUST MEAN THAT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, IT WOULD BE MOVED TO ANOTHER READING, WHICH WOULD ALLOW TIME IF COUNCIL WISHES FOR STAFF OR A MEDIATOR OR WHATEVER.

BUT I THINK WE, WE, WE HAVE TO DO BETTER.

I THINK WE CAN'T JUST NOT HAVE ANY ACTION, BUT AT LEAST KNOWING IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS A THIRD READING INSTEAD OF VOTING AT, UH, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK YOU NEED TO SAY THAT'S WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR PLAN IS OR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.

AND THEN WITH COUNCIL OFFER ANY OTHER COMMENTS IF THEY AGREE WITH THAT OR, UH, OR NO.

I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY PROBABLY CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDS THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEART ISSUE AND THE HEAD ISSUE, AND I AGREE THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT, UM, THE ONLY WAY TO, I THINK GET MORE TIME OR TO GET STAFF INPUT ON ANYTHING ELSE IS TO, TO MOVE TO A THIRD READING.

I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, OR IF YOU'RE WANT SOME TO TRY TO BE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY.

SO HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

I'M GOING TO GO TO NANCY.

BUT THE THING IS AFTER THEY MOVE ON, ANYBODY ELSE COULD GO IN THERE.

UM, YES, I THINK ALL OF US EMPATHIZE WITH THE SKILL WAYS AND THE SITUATION THAT THEY'RE IN, BUT, UM, IN REFERENCE TO WHAT MR. OTTO SAID, THIS ISN'T A NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE.

THIS IS A ZONING ISSUE.

AND, UM, I GUESS I WOULD, UH, ASK OUR, OUR LAW DIRECTOR AGAIN, IS THERE ANY, UH, CODING PROVISIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO SET LIKE A SUNSET CLAUSE OR, OR WHAT THEY MIGHT CALL IT? SO THAT, I MEAN, HAVE WE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME, UH, FLEXIBILITY SO THAT IF THEY WERE GRANTED THAT BEAR, THAT A ZONING CHANGED, THAT IF THEY GAVE UP THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO AGRICULTURE.

YES, WE DID LOOK AT THAT ABOUT THE CLOSEST WE COULD COME WOULD BE TO HAVE THE PUD REQUIREMENT OR THE PUD THAT'S APPROVED FOR THIS BE SO NARROWLY DRAFTED THAT IT WOULD ONLY WOULD PERMIT THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF BUSINESS.

UM, THE TRUCK REPAIR FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, UM, MIGHT UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT EVEN A FULL TRUCK REPAIR, IT'S RATHER LIMITED IN WHAT THEY DO THERE.

UM, SO YOU COULD PUT THAT AS THE AIR.

SO ANY CHANGE IN THAT USE WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE ZONING,

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I MEAN, THE ZONING IS GOING TO THAT FEW DAY WOULD STAY IN PLACE.

AND WHEN REVERT NECESSARILY, I'M NOT SURE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT SAYS AFTER SO MUCH TIME, YOUR ZONING IS GOING TO REBOOT BACK, OR IF YOU SELL THE PROPERTY, IT WILL REVERT BACK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF THEY WERE TO SELL IT IN THE FUTURE OR RENT IT OR LEASE IT OR WHATEVER ELSE, WHOEVER MIGHT MOVE IN THERE MAY NOT BE THE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT THEY ARE.

SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN TO THAT.

UH, THIS IS, UH, A REALLY TOUGH ONE.

SO JERRY, I THINK SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE PUD CAN BE WRITTEN SO NARROWLY TO ONLY LAW FOR THAT BUSINESS, IF I MOVED IN THERE, IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL THEIR HOUSE AND I, AND I'M MOVING THERE AND I BUY IT AND I WANT TO HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING THAT'S IN THERE.

IF I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY RUNNING AND TRUCK REPAIR BUSINESS, WOULD I HAVE, WOULD THAT TRIGGER A ZONING CHANGE AND WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN APPROVAL? IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE, CAN THE ZONING BE WRITTEN THAT NARROW? IT WOULD BE IF WE WROTE IT TO BE A PUD FOR TRUCK REPAIR FACILITIES, ONLY, ET CETERA, SOMEONE ELSE CAME IN AND THEY WANTED A NUTTER IN ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USE THAT WAS DIFFERENT.

IT WOULD BE A MAJOR MODIFICATION.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN.

AND WHICH HAS JUST BE LIKE A PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT WOULD BE A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH JUST LIKE A REGULAR CHANGE OF ZONING.

SO, SO THE, SO REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT ANY OTHER TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS COULD TAKE PLACE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD BE THROUGH SOME TYPE OF FUTURE COUNCIL APPROVAL, CORRECT? YES.

MA'AM MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU THAT IT'S JUST TOUGH.

I KNOW SEMI DRIVERS SPEND $400 ON A WHEEL, A BETTER PART OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO FILL UP THEIR TANK.

AND HIM REPAIRING SEMIS IS US KEEPING AMERICA GOING.

AND WE'RE AT THE CROSSROADS OF AMERICA AND WE HAVE TO KEEP HIM HELPING PEOPLE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS KICK FOR 30 DAYS AND STAFF MAYBE COULD REACH OUT AND GET A MEDIATOR OR SOMETHING AND TRY TO HELP THEM WORK WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? AND MAYBE CAUSE I, WE LAST MEETING, IT CAME UP THAT OTHER ONES ARE RUNNING BUSINESSES DOWN THERE TOO.

SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ALSO MAYBE WRITING THE CLAUSE TO ONLY THIS USER COULD PUT ON THE PROPERTY WOULD NEED THAT YOU STOPPED THE SINGLE, BUT THEY JUST TO TOUCH ON THE, WE HEARD ABOUT A MEDIATOR.

IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT WOULD BE MEDIATED BECAUSE I WAS ONLY SAYS, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO.

THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN'T DO.

AND THE MEDIATOR CAN SAY, HMM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CHANGE THE ZONING BEST THE MEDIATOR CAN DO IS SAY BEST CASE SCENARIOS FOR THE APPLICANT AS THEY CHANGE THE NEIGHBORS MINDS WITH THE NEIGHBORS SAY, YEAH, WE'RE FIGHTING WITH THIS.

IT'S STILL A VIOLATION OF THE ZONING.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THAT ISSUE.

UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE FULLY COUNCIL WANTING TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY IT COULD.

IT COULD BE IN THIS CASE.

WELL, THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES AND I WAS THINKING IF WE CAN LIKE, HEY, GIVE THEM ALL.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED A BED AND BREAKFAST AND THERE WAS A WOODWORKER AND SOME OTHERS RUNNING INTO BUSINESS.

SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE SPOT ZONING APPROVAL.

I WAS HOPING TO WORK WITH THEM.

HEY, YOU'RE ALL IN A BUSINESS.

LET'S MAKE SURE ALL OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE CORRECT, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ZONING.

I'D LIKE TO ASSIST THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'D LIKE TO HOLD THE, THE INTENDED PURPOSE OF THAT LAND.

THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IT'S ON, IT'S NOT COME BACK TO GLEN.

DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR BASED ON, BASED ON WHAT JERRY SAID ABOUT, UM, REALLY MEDIATION IS AN OPTION.

IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK YOU WANT MORE TIME ON TO THINK ABOUT OR TALK TO NEIGHBORS? I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, YEAH.

I THINK WHEN I WAS REFERRING TO TIME, UM, I THINK NANCY WAS KINDA MOVING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION.

MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UM, TO PROVIDING SOME TYPE OF ADDITIONAL TIMEFRAME FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR RELOCATION TO SET UP A SHOP SOMEWHERE OR, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFICIALLY THROUGH IN ANY WAY OR IF IT WOULD JUST BE US WORKING WITH THEM TO ASSIST.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE WORK WITH OTHER BUSINESSES FOR LOCATIONAL SUPPORT.

UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND ANYTHING AND I'M WITH KATE AS WELL ON MAYBE WE PUSH IT BACK 30 DAYS AT LEAST TO EXPLORE WHATEVER OPTIONS MAY BE AVAILABLE TO US.

CAUSE I CERTAINLY JUST WANT TO GO, NO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO, SHUT IT DOWN.

WE'RE DONE.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

UM,

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LET'S JUST GO LIKE, SO WOULD YOU MIND COMING TO THE PODIUM REAL QUICK? SO, SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF, IF THE CITY COULD DO SOMETHING OR PUT YOU IN TOUCH THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER AND FIND SOME TYPE OF APPROPRIATE AREA FOR YOU TO CONDUCT THAT CONDUCT THAT BUSINESS, DO YOU, DOES YOUR BUSINESS, UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE DISCLOSE THAT YOU DON'T WANT THEM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESS SUSTAIN, PAYING RENT SOMEPLACE ELSE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, OR WOULD YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GROW YOUR BUSINESS IF YOU WERE NOT HINDERED BY BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE OR ARE YOU TELLING COUNCIL THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU CAN PROFITABLY RUN THE BUSINESSES CURRENTLY AT YOUR, AT YOUR LOCATION? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE RAMP WAS.

I MEAN, FOR WHAT I KNOW THAT RENT'S GOING FOR RIGHT NOW, NO, WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED INTO IT AND IT'S THREE AND FOUR TIMES WHAT IT WAS YEARS AGO.

IT'S A, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, $8,000 A MONTH FOR A BUILDING THE SIZE, WHAT I HAVE AT THE, AT MY HOUSE.

TO DO SO FOR WHATEVER THAT, UH, FOR WHATEVER THAT DELAY MIGHT BE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO ADD MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

I MEAN, IF THERE WAS, UM, I DON'T IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHERIFF'S START PROGRAMS OR THE CHAMBER STILL OPERATES, IF THAT'S FOR INDUSTRIAL, IF THAT'S THROUGH INDUSTRIAL LOCATIONS OR IF THAT'S REALLY JUST MORE FOR COMMERCIAL SPACES, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I KNOW THE CHAMBER DID HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM TO HELP PEOPLE GET STARTED.

UM, IN BUSINESS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WE COULD PASS ALONG TO, TO MARK AND THE CHAMBER TO SEE IF THEY CAN OFFER SOME HELP.

BUT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THAT IF YOUR BUSINESS JUST CAN'T SUSTAIN ANY TYPE OF EXTRA THAN THE MORTGAGE THAT YOU'RE PAYING ON YOUR PROPERTY.

I MEAN, I MEAN, IF THAT'S NOT THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU THEN I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.

RIGHT, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

BRIAN HELPED ME UNDERSTAND.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EMAIL TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH.

UM, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME, UM, THAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS, UM, THE ORIGINAL ZONING ENFORCEMENT FOR THIS.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY STARTED, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, UM, THERE WAS SOME, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH BZA THEN PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DURING THOSE, THOSE TIMES THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHAT THE CITY CAN AND CANNOT DO, AND IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS THEIR LAST EFFORT THAT THE CITY CAN HELP THEM WITH, ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE THERE IS AN OPTION TO, UM, AMEND THERE'S AN OPTION THAT REMAINS, WHICH WOULD BE TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, HAVE TO REQUEST A TEXTUAL AMENDMENT TO THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING, TO ALLOW FOR HEAVY MECHANICAL OR WHATEVER THE DEFINED USE MIGHT BE TO INCLUDE THAT AS A SPECIAL USE ALREADY PERMITTED USE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.

UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, A REMAINING OPTION.

UM, BUT, UM, UNLIKE THIS SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING TO REZONE A PARCEL THAT IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, UH, TO, UH, TO PROVIDE A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT APPLIES TO ALL AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.

UM, SO THERE, UM, SO TO LIMIT, UH, THE PERVASIVENESS OF HEAVY MECHANICAL WORK WITHIN AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, THIS WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION TO REDUCE THAT.

AND SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING TO REDUCE RISK OF THE PERVASIVE USE, YES, THIS IS THE LAST BEST OPTION AVAILABLE TO THE SKILL VISAS.

SO RANDOM QUESTION, AND THIS WOULD BE COMPLETELY OUT OF LEFT FIELD.

LET'S SAY AN AGRICULTURE DISTRICT, I'M A FARMER.

UM, SO I HAVE A BUSINESS BECAUSE MY BUSINESS HAS MY FARM IS AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY AND I JUST HAPPENED TO BE REALLY, REALLY GOOD AT FIXING TRACTORS, RIGHT.

WOULD IN AN AGRICULTURAL, IF PEOPLE WANTED TO BRING THEIR TRACTORS TO ME BECAUSE I KNEW HOW TO FIX THEM, WHAT WOULD IT, IS THAT ILLEGAL UNDER, UNDER A FARM BUSINESS OR UNDER, UNDER AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING? I BELIEVE UNDER THE CURRENT CODE.

IS THERE A WAY THE CITY COULD DELAY TAKING ACTION FOR 90 DAYS? UM, WE COULD, UH, IF THERE IS A LEGITIMATE REASON

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SO IS IT FOR A COUNCIL TO ASSESS A MEMORANDUM YET TO BE PREPARED BY STAFF MEASURING THE RISK? UM, IS IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE SKILL WE USES, UM, TIME TO PROVIDE, TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL SITES, UH, PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THE VOTE? UH, I THINK THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WITHIN ITS RIGHTS TO DELAY THAT ACTION, BUT FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, UH, ONLY BECAUSE ABSENT THAT WE COULD HAVE ANY NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS, PETITIONING DELAYS ON ENFORCEMENTS FOR NO OTHER REASON, BUT JUST TO, NOT JUST TO NOT HAVE THAT ENFORCEMENT MEASURE MOVE FORWARD.

SO WOULD WE TABLE THE ACTION BEFORE US OR WOULD WE TAKE ACTION AND JUST PUT IN THE LEGISLATION A PERIOD OF TIME? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO GET BACK TO US? UH, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A CONVERSATION BEST HAD BETWEEN, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR, MYSELF AND MR. CYRIL.

AND THEN WE COULD ADVISE COUNSEL APPROPRIATELY.

UM, YES, I THINK THAT THERE IS A, UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A DESIRE FROM COUNCIL TO TRY AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RISK AND RETURN IS WITH THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION.

I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK I HEAR THAT THE MAJORITY HAS AN APPETITE TO REZONE THIS.

BUT THE APPETITE IS TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO MAYBE LOOK FOR ANOTHER LOCATION OR SO.

AND, UM, WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, UM, I'LL TALK WITH, UH, MR. CRL ABOUT, UH, KIND OF PREPARING A SIDE-BY-SIDE CHART OF POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE RIGHT.

RISK REWARD BASED ON THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

UH, AND THEN BETWEEN, UH, THE PREPARATION OF THAT DOCUMENT, UH, IN THIS MATTER, BEING TABLED BY COUNCIL, THEN, UH, WE CAN, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TIME TO PROVIDE COUNSEL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.

SO I THINK, UM, PROBABLY AT A MINIMUM THE WAY TO ADDRESS THIS NOW, SO AT LEAST MOVE THIS TO A THIRD READING RATHER THAN JUST THE SECOND READING ON MONDAY.

AND THEN FROM THAT THIRD READING TO THE NEXT COUNSELINGS IS THAT ENOUGH TIME BRIAN PREPARE KIND OF MAYBE THAT RISK ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT EITHER DELAYING THIS ANY FURTHER OR TO SAY THAT WE DON'T SEE ANY WAY, ANY WAY OUT OF THIS OTHER THAN EITHER RESILIENT OR WE DON'T.

UM, UM, I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING BACK FOR YOU.

UH, LET'S CALL IT THE LAST WORK SESSION OF AUGUST AND GIVE US TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR INFORMATION TOGETHER AND HAVE A DISCUSSION, UM, AND THEN PRESENT THAT INFORMATION.

SO THEN COUNCIL COULD ACT ON, UH, WHATEVER DEFINITIVE DIRECTION YOU WANTED, AT LEAST RELATIVE TO THIS LEGISLATION, UH, THAT FINAL BUSINESS MEETING IN AUGUST.

SO AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, THEN IF WE MOVE THIS TO, IF THE, IF THE EMOTIONS TO MOVE TO THIRD READING, IT'S HELPED ME WITH MY CALENDAR HERE.

WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WAIT IT'LL, IT'LL JUST BE PENDING BUSINESS STILL THEN AT A MEETING.

SO DOES THAT GET US TO THE END OF AUGUST THROUGH ANOTHER WORK SESSION? OR WILL THIS HAVE TO COME BACK UP AGAIN PRIOR TO, OR CAN WE JUST ADD IT TO THE WORK SESSION ONCE YOU'RE PREPARED AND YOU SAY YOU UNDER THE STAFF BUSINESS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE WORK SESSION SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

AND WE HAVE TO SAY IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

SO IT ACTUALLY HAS TO HAPPEN.

YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO A THIRD GRADIENT FROM THE SECOND RANGE TO THE THIRD READING.

AND THEN IF WE'RE NOT READY TO A FOURTH READING TYPE OF THING, BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS TO SHOW UP ON EVERY AGENDA.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THOSE HILLS OF TONY.

W JERRY, WE, COULDN'T A MOTION TO TABLE ON MONDAY NIGHT UNTIL STAFF COULD GET WHAT THEY NEEDED BACK TOGETHER, AND THEN WE CAN PULL IT BACK.

WOULDN'T THAT RELIEVED? I THINK YOU CAN, I'M JUST, AGAIN, TRYING TO STAY WITH WHAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR CLERK OR COUNSEL AND HOW WE NORMALLY HANDLES THINGS.

I'VE SEEN THAT WAY.

IT JUST WOULDN'T BE REPETITIVE ON THE AGENDA CONSTANTLY.

I'VE NO, WE DON'T.

WE HAVE DONE IT BOTH WAYS.

UM, SO I THINK IF WE DID A MOTION TO TABLE TO A SPECIFIC DATE, I, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

IF NOT, TONY WILL LET US KNOW MONDAY.

THEN AT THAT FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

STAYING IN THAT WAY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS SECOND AND SURE.

NO.

CAUSE THEY WERE SAYING THE LAST, SO WE'LL PROBABLY LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THE TABLE UNTIL WE JUST GET THE DATE, THE LAST WORK SESSION AUGUST, WHAT THAT DATE IS AND THE MOTION WILL BE TO TABLE UNTIL THAT DATE.

THEN WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THAT WORK SESSION.

AGAIN, ONCE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM BRIAN AND THEN, UH, THEN ANY ACTION OR SUBSEQUENT ACTION WOULD TAKE PLACE

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SO IS THERE ANY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, JUST ASK, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.

SO WE'LL MOVE THIS ONTO ON, ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING AND AT MONDAY'S MEETING, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE OFF THE TABLE FOR THE LAST WORK SESSION ON AUGUST.

IT WOULD BE AT THE TABLE, IT TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, NOT NECESSARILY TO A WORK SESSION.

I BELIEVE, I THINK WE'LL TAILOR IT TO THE OTHER TWO WE'LL TABLE IT TILL IT GETS TO THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, BUT WE'LL BE PREPARED TO HAVE IT ON THE WORK SESSION, THE LAST ONE IN AUGUST.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THE STRAIGHT LINE AND BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

NEXT UP IS I AM THREE I, WHICH IS CASE M J C 22 DASH 21 SKILL CAN GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND MAJOR CHANGE THE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

[ Case MJC 22-21 - Skilken Gold Real Estate Development - Major Change/Basic Development Plan - Old Troy Pike/Taylorsville Road.]

UH, SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS THE CORNER LOTS AT, UH, OLD TROY IN TAYLORSVILLE.

UH, IT'S 2.8 ACRES IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE PLAN MIXED USE, UH, AND, UH, IS VACANT.

THE CURRENT, UH, SITE IS ACTUALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UM, ADJACENT LAND, UH, IT'S SURROUNDED BY, UH, BOTH, UH, COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL AS, UH, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THE ORIGINAL, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO IN 2021.

THE APPLICANT IS, UH, LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT A APPROXIMATELY 6,200 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENT STORE, UH, WITH FUELING PUMPS AS WELL AS A 1600 SQUARE FOOT CARWASH ON THE SITE.

UH, THE MAJOR CHANGE APPLICATION, UH, WHICH WAS REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IS TO ALLOW FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF COUNCIL REVIEW, WHICH WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT.

UM, THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION, UH, AGAIN RIGHT ON THAT HARD CORNER OF OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE, UM, THE, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I HAD SEVERAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UM, AND, UH, WAS, UH, AT THAT TIME, AGAIN, REZONED TO PLAY IN MIXED USE.

UH, THE PRINCIPLE USES UNDER THAT ZONING, UH, ARE, UH, ARE LISTED HERE, UH, BUT NOTABLE THE LOWER TWO BULLET POINTS, FILLING STATIONS AND SERVICE STATIONS, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IN ALONG THE SITE.

UH, AS AGAIN, WE REFERENCED EARLIER WITH THE HAYDEN CRA AGREEMENT I HAVE TO DO WITH WIDENING THE ROAD OF BOTH OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE, UH, AND PROVIDING SOME, UM, CONTROL DEVICES, UM, AT A NEW, AT A NEW YET TO BE CONSTRUCTED DRIVEWAY.

UH, HERE IS THE, UH, THE CONCEPT AND THE ORIGINAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, WHICH DENOTES, UH, THE NEW INTERSECTION TRAFFIC CONTROLLED INTERSECTION, WHICH IS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, UH, TOWARDS THE RIGHT, UH, AND OUR SITE BEING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UH, WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE ON THE LEFT, UH, CORNER UPPER LEFT CORNER OF THE SITE, UH, THE APPROVED GROUND SIGNS, UH, ARE WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU AND THEIR LOCATION IS MARKED, UM, IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER RELATIVE TO THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHY THE VARIOUS SIGNS ARE REFLECTED IN, UH, THEIR HEIGHTS, THE WAY THAT THEY ARE, UM, THE, UH, APPLICATION, LIKE, SHOULD IT BE THE APPLICANT AGAIN, AS WE NOTED EARLIER, UH, IS LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT CONVENIENCE STORE FUELING, UH, WITH THE CARWASH, UH, THE APPLICATION, UH, IS FOR THE MAJOR CHANGE IS FOR THE TWO ADDITIONAL GROUND SIGNS, UH, RELATED FOR THE END-USER SHEETS, UM, CONVENIENCE, UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

UH, SO, UH, IF YOU WERE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UH, EAST IS NOW TO THE RIGHT, EXCUSE ME, WEST IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN.

UH, NORTH IS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.

UH, THE FUEL PUMPS ARE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE HARD CORNER, UH, WITH THE CONVENIENCE RESTAURANT BOUTIQUE, UH, THERE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, WITH THE CARWASH IN THE VERY BACK OF THE SITE.

UH, THIS IS AN ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE.

UH, IT DOES MEET, UH, THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL QUALIFICATIONS OF THE CODE, UH, FROM A DIFFERENT, UH, ELEVATION.

UH, THESE ARE, UH, SIMILARLY THEMED IN SIGNS.

I WOULD NOTE THAT IF APPROVED SHEETS PROMISES TO PROVIDE GAS FOR $2 AND 28 CENTS FOREVER, UH, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE SITE WAS DESIGNED A WHILE AGO, CLEARLY A PERMANENT, UM, THIS, UH, THIS GRAPHIC REPRESENTS THE LOCATION OF, UH, BOTH THE OLD SIGNAGE

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OR THE, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE OLD SIGNAGE, THE ORIGINAL SIGNAGE, AS WELL AS THE UPDATED SIGNAGE TO REFLECT, UH, THE SHEETS USAGE.

UM, THERE IS, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, MY APOLOGIES, UH, THE SITE DOES MEET, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF, UH, ALL OF THE CHARACTER USES, UH, WITHIN THE CODE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

UM, UH, LET'S SEE THE ISSUE AGAIN, IS THE GROUND SIGN, THE, UM, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN YET TO COME WE'LL ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT IT DOES WITH MOST PLANS, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, UH, PARKING LOADING, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS LIGHTING, UH, YOU'LL NOTE, UH, WITH, REGARDING, UH, TO THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, UH, THE STACKING FOR, UH, THE USES ARE ALMOST DOUBLED, UH, IN MOST INSTANCES, UH, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSIENT NATURE OF THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS AND LESSONS LEARNED, UH, NEAR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

AGAIN, THE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.

UM, TRAFFIC STUDIES SHOWED NO MATERIAL CHANGE, UM, BASED ON THIS PROPOSED USE FROM WHAT WE HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY, UM, DELAYS ARE REDUCED, UH, AS COMPARED TO THE PRIOR THREE USES, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM THE STUDY, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS PUT FORWARD SOME CONCERNS, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ADDRESS.

UH, AND, UH, THE CITY ENGINEER HAS ALSO EXPRESSED, UH, SOME CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING, UH, PARKING LAYOUT, UH, AND DRIVE THROUGH, UH, MOBILITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ENGINEER'S CONCERNS, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT PARKING WOULD BE BACKING INTO DRIVE ISLES, UH, WHILE NOT PARTICULARLY DISCERNIBLE, UH, ON THE BIG SCREEN HERE, BUT, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION MATERIAL, WHICH WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.

UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THESE TWO OTHER EXISTING, UM, FACILITIES DEMONSTRATE PARKING THAT BACKS OUT INTO A DRY FILE.

SO, UH, NOT IN UNCOMMON USER, NOT AN UNCOMMON CONFIGURATION, UH, IS THE POINT THAT, UH, THE PLANNER IS TRYING TO MAKE IN THIS PARTICULAR DEMONSTRATION.

UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION.

UM, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT IS, THE USES ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONING, UH, WHICH WAS APPLIED BACK IN, UH, 20, UH, MAY OF 2021.

UM, THE LOCATIONS OF THE DRIVES THAT CIRCULATION PATTERNS REMAIN UNCHANGED FROM THAT, UH, INITIALLY PROPOSED PLAN, UH, AGAIN AT THIS PARTICULAR USE, UH, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY LOOKS TO REDUCE OBSTRUCTIONS, UM, AND THAT, UH, THE SIGNS IN AND OF THEMSELVES, UM, ARE AGAIN, COMPLIMENTARY MANNER TO THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AGAIN, UH, NOTES FROM, UH, THE PLANNER WITH RESPECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED WITH COUNCIL.

UH, AND, UH, THIS WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN A THREE TO TWO VOTE, THREE TO TWO VOTE, UH, WITH CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC, UH, WHICH HAD BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, AGAIN, UM, FROM AFAR.

UH, THE PLANNER WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THE LAND IS ZONED, UH, INAPPROPRIATE FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION.

THE MAJOR CHANGE NECESSARY AS TO ALLOW FOR THE TWO ADDITIONAL GROUND SIGNS.

UH, THE USE IS NOT A TRAFFIC GENERATOR.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY IDENTIFIES THAT THE MAJORITY OF TRIPS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRIPS, 76%, UH, FOR THIS USE ARE PASSED BY TRIPS, MEANING THAT THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL UTILIZE THIS FACILITY HAS ALREADY TRAFFIC IN THE AREA COMING AND GOING.

UH, AND, UH, THAT, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, CONDITIONS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY REFLECTED THOSE, UH, THROUGH 2042, UH, AND ARE BASED ON THE PREVIOUS SCENARIO, WHICH WERE THE BANK AND THE MEDICAL OFFICE.

AND IT IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY IDENTIFIES THE NATURAL GROWTH IN TRAFFIC OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, NOT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UH, AT THIS LOCATION, UH, IN ITS ASSESSMENTS, BEYOND THAT THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVE FROM SHEETS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.

UH, YEAH, THAT'S THE THING.

UM, I LIKED TO PLAN, UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I AM SEEING ON HERE THAT IT SAYS THAT THEY EXISTING TURF LANDSCAPE AND SIDEWALK WOULD REMAIN.

AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SOME PRETTY HEAVY DUTY CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON THERE AT THAT CORNER.

AND WHEN THEY PUT THIS IN, IS THAT GOING TO GET,

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IS THAT GOING TO GET DAMAGED IN THE PROCESS? UM, MORE EVEN IF NOT RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE COMMENTS RELATE TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AS PROPOSED IN THE INITIAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM MAY OF 2021, EVERYTHING THAT'S, THERE HAS TO BE RIPPED OUT BECAUSE THE ROAD IS ENCROACHING ANOTHER LANE INTO THE PROPERTY.

SO THE REFERENCE IS NOT TO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE, IT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE INITIAL BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM MAY OF 2021.

REMEMBER THE PLANNER NOTED IN HIS COMMENTS THAT THE DRIVE AISLES AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS DO NOT CHANGE ON THIS PROPOSAL FROM THE BANK MEDICAL OFFICE USE THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MAY 21 LAYOUT.

I HOPE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

I GUESS I WOULD HAVE SAID PROPOSED INSTEAD OF EXISTING.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY MULTIPLE CONCERNS IS TRAFFIC.

YEAH, I, I, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE SOME GLOWING WORDS FOR THE FOLKS FROM SHEETS.

I TOOK A TRIP BACK AND FORTH TO PITTSBURGH THIS WEEKEND, AND I VISITED ESTABLISHMENT SHEETS, ESTABLISHMENTS WITH WHY? BECAUSE I LOVE THEM.

I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.

THEY'RE WELL DONE.

THEY'RE THERE.

THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.

THEY'RE THEY GOT EVERYTHING I NEED.

AND, UH, I THINK ARDEN, WAS IT TWO EIGHT, AGAIN, IT WAS NOT 2 88 A GALLON.

I WISH IT WAS, UM, WAS THAT 10 TO 28? WELL, THE LAST ONE, IT WAS IN OHIO ON THE WAY BACK, BUT, UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS, I DON'T BELIEVE I, I HAVE TROUBLE BELIEVING IT WON'T HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE PRIOR PROPOSED USES BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY, VERY POPULAR AND I BELIEVE IT WILL, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ENDS UP BEING HIGHWAY SIGNAGE FOR IT.

UM, IT'S A, IT'S A POPULAR SPOT TO STOP FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE THOSE PLACES GOOD FOR SHEETS, BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, WE ALREADY HAVE TONS OF CONGESTION AND I'M CONCERNED IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ADD TO THAT CONGESTION.

UM, I HAVE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS JUST LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS DO AS WELL.

I, I, I THINK YOU'RE CONCERNED MR. UH, MR. OTTO IS, IS A RELEVANT CONCERN, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO A CONCERN WITH ANYTHING NEW THAT IS NOT A RELOCATION OR A TRANSPLANT, RIGHT.

SO WE SAW FOR THE FIRST FEW WEEKS IT WAS OPEN.

WE SAW HEAVY TRAFFIC AT CANES, WHICH HAS DISSIPATED, AND WE SAW HEAVY TRAFFIC AT CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH DISSIPATED WE'VE SEEN HEAVY TRAFFIC AT STARBUCKS THAT'S DISSIPATED.

SO I THINK THERE IS A LEGITIMACY TO YOUR CONCERN THAT INITIALLY WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC THERE.

UM, BUT, UH, I THINK OVER TIME THAT THAT THAT'LL DISSIPATE TO THAT, I WOULD SAY MY LAST STOP FOR A PHILIP, I PASSED ON THIS EXIT TWO GAS STATIONS TO GET TO THE SHEETS.

AND IT LOOKED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DID AS WELL, BECAUSE I WAS WAITING IN LINE IN A DOWNPOUR TO GET GAS, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

UM, AND THIS IS A WELL-ESTABLISHED LOCATION.

THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.

SO I JUST, I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING THAT THAT'S BEING SAID, BUT THIS IS A, IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS.

IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL AND THEIR SERVICE IS GREAT.

UM, SO THEY WILL BE VERY FREQUENTED IN MY OPINION, ESPECIALLY WITH HIGHWAY TRAFFIC.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS ALL THE HIGHWAY TRYING TO COME UP BACK ON, AND IT'S NOT LIKE RIGHT THERE OFF THE EXITED, YOU GOTTA COME DOWN A BIT.

SO YEAH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS ARE MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS.

YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, MARIE.

UM, I'M GOING TO GO, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE THE CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC AND, AND THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S NEW TRAFFIC'S FOR, TO WEAR OFF AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

HOWEVER, HAVING VISITED AKRON QUITE A BIT, CAUSE I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVE UP THERE.

UM, I ALSO STOP AT SHEETS.

UM, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU HAVE A GAS STATION THAT PUBLICIZES THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOWER GAS PRICES AT A CERTAIN PINPOINT WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE IS AT 4 30, 4 54 60, YOU HAVE NOW BECOME A DESTINATION.

WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MARKETING FOOD AND PLANS, YOU HAVE NOW BECOME A DESTINATION WHEN YOU HAVE A CARWASH, WHICH WE HAVE A MULTITUDE IN THIS CITY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS COUNCIL HAS LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES ON CAR WASHES AT CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS AND LOCATIONS THAT OUR TOWN YOU HAVE NOW BECOME A DESTINATION WHEN YOU HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, DURING A PANDEMIC AND A NATIONAL EMERGENCY, UH, AND, AND, AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSUMERS TO GET PRODUCT WHILE STAYING IN THE CART, YOU HAVE BECOME A DESTINATION.

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I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS REGARDING TRAFFIC.

UM, THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE TRAFFIC ISSUES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

NOT PUT THINGS IN PLACE TO MAKE THEM WORSE.

YES, WE ARE MAKING LANE ADJUSTMENTS.

WE, WE HAVE, UM, PLANS IN PLACE TO, UM, DO DIFFERENT TURN SIGNALS AND LIGHTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THE RESIDENTS DON'T SEE THAT NOW WE SEE IT.

WE KNOW IT, WE LIVE IT.

UM, I LIVE 30 SECONDS AWAY FROM THIS LOCATION.

I FEEL THE TRAFFIC AT CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND TROY ON A DAILY BASIS, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS DIOCESE THAT HAVE EARLY COMPLAINED ABOUT CAR WASHES IN THAT GENERAL AREA STACKING UP AND GETTING BACKED UP.

NOT ONLY WHEN THOSE CAR WASHES WERE OPEN, BUT EVEN PRESENT DAY.

SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A DESTINATION GAS FACILITY AT ONE OF THE BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY, MY DYAD, UM, WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT HAS THE HIGHEST CRASH RADIUS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I, I HAVE LARGE ISSUE WITH.

ONE OF MY OTHER ADDITIONAL CONCERNS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ADDITIONAL SIGNS OVER THERE, IN MY OPINION, THE REASON THAT WE PASS THE SIGN PACKAGE AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO CUT DOWN ON THE SIGNS THAT GOING UP AND DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, TH THIS COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION GOT A HUGE HEARTBURN WHEN I HOP GOT ONE OVER ON US.

AND THEN WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF SIGNS.

AND NOW WE'RE ADDING MORE SIGNS.

THAT IS, I MEAN, YEAH.

UM, YOU KNOW, I ALREADY HAVE HUGE ENOUGH ISSUES.

THE FACT THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD, WE CAN'T BURY THE POWER LINES ALONG THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK IS COMPLETE TRASH BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THAT AREA LOOK NOT VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WHEN YOU GO TO AREAS, OTHER AREAS OF COLUMBUS AND DUBLIN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHERE THEY HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE LINES ARE BURIED.

SO AGAIN, I'M JUST, UH, THAT PARTICULAR ITEM AT THAT, AT THAT LOCATION.

I CAN'T SUPPORT.

UM, NOW WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAVE OTHER AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE I THINK THEY WOULD GET A LOT OF EXPOSURE WHERE THERE'S NOT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT, UM, I, WHENEVER I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE PARTICULAR ISSUE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THIS COUNCIL PASSED, WHAT THE, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING THERE WAS A BANK CONCEPT.

AM I CORRECT? SO WE'RE TALKING ONE FOR A BANK TO A HIGH DESTINATION, CONVENIENCE AND GAS STORE.

THAT'S HUGE.

AND FOR ANYBODY TO TELL ME THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TRAFFIC DIFFERENCE, YOU'RE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF FANTASYLAND.

SO MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I GOT ON THIS COMMENT.

UM, I, I, I APPRECIATE SHEETS.

UM, I APPRECIATE THEIR GAS PRICES RIGHT NOW.

UM, BECAUSE I'VE UTILIZED THOSE, UH, WHAT I'VE BEEN UP IN AKRON.

UM, AND TRUST ME, YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY UP IN CUYAHOGA COUNTY.

SHEETZ IS A DESTINATION.

I HAVE A DISCUSSION.

SO, UM, THIS, SO FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, CAN YOU, BRIAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE INTERSECTION THAT THE ENGINEER DRAWING? YEAH.

THERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

AND I KNOW IT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET HERE, BUT SO TAYLORSVILLE IS GETTING, IS GETTING WHITE, CORRECT? BASICALLY FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE DOWN, BUT IT'S STILL ONLY THREE LANES, CORRECT? WE'RE NOT ADDING A FOURTH TURN LANE.

IT'S STILL JUST THREE.

IT'S STILL JUST THREE LANES THERE.

IT'LL INCREASE STACKING FOR NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC.

SO THOSE CARS THAT ARE TRYING TO HEAD WEST CONTINUED HEAD WEST ARE THOSE CARS THAT ARE TRYING TO HEAD SOUTH WILL HAVE AN EASIER ABILITY TO GET TO THE INNER, TO THE INTERSECTION AND THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

CAUSE THAT WAS, THAT'S THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING.

SO RIGHT NOW WE SEE THE RIGHT LANE, THE RIGHT TURN LANE IS A RIGHT TURN LANE ONLY CORRECT.

RUSS IS RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, IF I'M IN THAT RIGHT LANE, CAN I GET, CAN I GO STRAIGHT? TECHNICALLY YOU CAN.

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TECHNICALLY YOU CAN.

SO IF I'M IN THE RIGHT LANE, I CAN GO STRAIGHT.

IF I'M IN THE MIDDLE LANE, I CAN GO STRAIGHT UP IN THE LEFT LANE.

I GOT TURNED LEFT.

SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENS A LOT IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TURN RIGHT? CAUSE YOU CAN TURN RIGHT ON RED, BUT WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE.

WE'RE ALL IN THE RIGHT LANE WHEN TO TURN RIGHT.

BUT THERE WAS SOMEBODY UP IN FRONT OF US, SEVEN CARS AHEAD WHO WANTS TO GO STRAIGHT AND THEN THEY'RE STACKING THERE.

THEY'RE CAUSING THE TRAFFIC STACKING BEHIND.

SO IF SO I THINK LOOKING AT THAT, THEN THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO IF THAT RIGHT LANE IS A RIGHT TURN LANE ONLY THAT'LL ELIMINATE THE STACKING COMING BACK BECAUSE THAT'S GETTING WIDENED ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE, LONG TAYLORSVILLE.

AND IF I WANT TO GO STRAIGHT, I CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT AND I CAN GO STRAIGHT ACROSS.

BUT IF I'M IN THAT RIGHT LANE, I'M NOW GOING TO BE TURNING RIGHT, GOING NORTH ON OLD TROY.

AND THAT IS THE ACTUAL PIECE WHERE WE ARE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LANE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE EXPRESS LANE FROM TAYLORSVILLE ALL THE WAY TO LUMIRA THE WAY AND BEYOND.

DOES THAT CORRECT? SO RICHARD, TO YOUR POINT, I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M NOT LIVING IN A FANTASY LAND.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE PROBABLY AREN'T SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS THERE, BUT I THINK THAT STRIPING OR HOWEVER, WE, HOWEVER WE DICTATE THAT INTERSECTION GOING THAT DIRECTION WILL PREVENT A LOT OF THE STACKING FROM HAPPENING AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TURN RIGHT.

CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND TURN RIGHT.

IF THEY WANT TO GO STRAIGHT, THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT.

IF THEY'RE NOT TURNING LEFT, THEY GOT THE LEFT TURN LANE THERE WE'VE, WE'VE ADDITIONALLY INCREASED A TURN LANE THERE IN FRONT OF THE VALVOLINE.

SO IF I'M GOING NORTH ON 2 0 2 AND I DON'T WANT TO GO STRAIGHT, IF I'M GOING TO TURN RIGHT.

I NOW HAVE ADDITIONAL LANE I CAN GET INTO AND MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND THEN HEAD WEST ON, ON TAYLORSVILLE.

STARTS TO ENCROACH INTO THE STREET NOW ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHAT WOULD BE MOUNT WHITNEY.

SO, SO WE HAVE THAT, UM, THE SAME ISSUE COMING BACK, THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER WAY THAT WON'T BE ANY DIFFERENT, THERE'S TWO LANES THAT GO STRAIGHT AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OPTIONAL TURN LANE.

SO, SO I CAN SEE WHERE TRAFFIC CAN BE A CONCERN, BUT I ALSO THINK AS WE, AS WE FIX AND WE ADD THAT ADDITIONAL LANE ON OLD TROY, BY GOING NORTH, I STILL THINK THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF THE STRIPING AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOING ACROSS 70, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE SIGNAGE THERE IS BAD THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S TWO LANES YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET ONTO 70 ON.

I MEAN, I'VE SAID IT, THAT LIGHT WEIGHTING WHILE TRAFFIC IS GETTING BACKED UP BECAUSE ONLY THE LEFT LANE OR THE ONES PEOPLE THINK THAT'S THE ONLY LANE THAT TURNS LEFT AND THERE.

SO THERE'S 10 CARS IN THE LEFT LANE AND THERE'S NO CARS IN THE RIGHT TURN LANE.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE JUST OVERALL ON OR TROY PIKE HEADING NORTH THAT COULD DETAIL AND HELP THAT TRAFFIC SITUATION A LOT MORE, ESPECIALLY ONCE THAT THIRD NORTHBOUND LANE GETS ADDED.

BUT I THINK THE STACKING ISSUE COMING FROM CITY HALL, GOING DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE, I THINK THAT WILL BE RESOLVED BY MAKING THAT RIGHT LANE ONLY A RIGHT TURN.

ONLY, NOT A STRAIGHT LANE ALSO, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO BE CARS BACK WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO GO STRAIGHT WHEN I NEED TO TURN RIGHT.

IF I'M IN THAT RIGHT LANE, I'M JUST GOING TO TURN RIGHT.

AND I'M GOING TO BE IN THE EXPRESS LANE NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED.

SO I THINK THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS BEING MADE TO HELP.

IS IT GOING TO BE PERFECT? NO.

MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT YOUR CAR WASHES SO POPULAR, THAT IT RELIEVES SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY GET THEIR CAR WASHED ON MERRILY WAY.

I HOPE THAT PULLS SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TO ANOTHER CAR WASH SO THAT WE ELIMINATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THERE.

I, I CAN ONLY HELP.

UM, BUT, UM, I AGREE THAT THERE'S, THEY'RE PROBABLY THERE PROBABLY SOME ISSUES THERE WITH TRAFFIC CONSIDERING HOW POPULAR SHEETZ IS.

UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS IN THE DESIGN IN PLACE THAT WILL HELP, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF HOW ALL THOSE MEDIUMS WORK HEADING UP OLD.

TROY, WHEN YOU GET TO 70 TRYING TO GO NORTH OF 70, UH, THE SIGNAGE, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT LANES GO, WHERE AND WHAT, UH, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE FIXED TO HELP.

HOW MANY FEET ARE WE GOING TO WIDEN TAYLORSVILLE ROAD WITH THIS PROJECT? UM, HOW FAR BACK OR HOW MUCH WIDER WILL TAYLORSVILLE ROAD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE IN FRONT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? SO WE'LL BE ADDING AN ENTIRE LANE.

SO IT'LL BE 12 PLUS FEET WIDER THAN WHAT IT IS.

SO WE'RE NOT JUST PAINTING ON THE EXISTING PAVEMENT.

WE ARE MAKING THE ROAD WIDER IF I GOT TO RIP REAL QUICK.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS, SO I LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS, THE THERE'S A, WE HAVE A THIRD LANE THERE NOW, BUT AS YOU COME WEST ON OLD TROY HEADING TOWARDS CITY HALL, THAT CURB KIND OF

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SO I THINK IF I'VE READ ALL THE NOTES, RIGHT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT FROM WHERE THAT CURVE STARTS TO CUT INTO TAYLORSVILLE, BACK TO MOUNT WHITNEY, THAT IS ALL GOING TO BE WIDENED.

SO THAT ENCROACHMENT BACK IS ALL GOING TO TURN INTO AN ACTUAL THIRD LANE ALL THE WAY BACK TO NOT WHITNEY.

SO I THINK FROM THAT ENCROACHMENT TO MOUNT WHITNEY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT, IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE WIDENED INTO THE THIRD LANE.

SO THERE'S EVEN AT THAT POINT, THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM.

CAUSE YOU CAN SEE NOW THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UH, THERE'S TWO LANES NOW THE RIGHT LANE IS FURTHER UP, BUT ON TAYLOR'S I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE LANE OUT HERE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT ENCROACHMENT COMES IN.

SO THAT PART OF TAYLORSVILLE BECOMES TWO LANES.

THEN AS YOU GET CLOSER, YOU GET THE THIRD RIGHT TURN LANE.

AND MY QUESTION IS THE IMPROVEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE MADE AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS, UH, AN EX AN EXTENSION, BUT I'M TRYING TO DOUBLE CHECK THE DRAWING BECAUSE THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND REVIEWED BY MR. FALLON KOSKI.

SO I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENT AS SOME OF THE MORE REASONS.

SO NO MATTER HOW WIDE IT IS TODAY, RIGHT.

I WOULD LOOK TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE IT ONE LANE WIDER NOW, OLD TROY PIKE.

WHICH WOULD BE WHAT THE EAST SIDE OF OLD TROY PIKE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE INTERSECTION OF TAYLORSVILLE AND TROY TO I 70.

IS THERE A WHOLE ADDITIONAL LANE BEING ADDED? YES.

THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE IS AN ENTIRE ADDITIONAL AID BEING AT, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING HALF A LANE IN AND REMARKING.

IT'S A FULL LANE.

THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

THEN IN THE PROJECT ITSELF, IS THERE ANY RELIEF ACCESS INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT? YES, THERE, THE, UM, UM, THE CITY WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN DEMANDING CERTAIN ACCESS POINTS AND AN ABILITY TO TRANS TRANSITION ACROSS THE SITE ON PUBLIC DRIVEWAYS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, UM, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, AND, UH, SO YEAH, SO THERE IS AN ABILITY TO TRAVEL BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST ON THAT SIDE, UM, IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

AND THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS A COUNCIL DEMAND FOR LIKE A BETTER TERMS ON THE INITIAL, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS FILE.

DOES IT TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND DOES IT SPEAK TO IT? UH, IT DOES, SIR.

ACCORDING AGAIN, ACCORDING TO, UM, ACCORDING TO THE PLANTER'S REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS A SLIGHT REDUCTION, UM, OF THE ESTIMATED TRAFFIC, UH, THE ESTIMATE OF TRAFFIC DELAY AND THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRIPS, UH, OR FOR USES, UH, FOR THIS USE ARE PASSED BY TRIPS.

THE ITEMS THAT I'M BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.

COULD YOU HAVE IN HERE AND ADDRESS THOSE HOLISTICALLY? I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT HE DOES THAT ON THE DECK.

SO SOMEBODY GOT OFF THE HIGHWAY AND WANTED TO GO TO THIS FACILITY, CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION IS CAKE? CAN YOU SHOW ME THIS, UM, LAYOUT OF THE PLAN OF HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE RIGHT TURN TO GET IN AND THE SCHEMATICS OF THE CARWASH AND THE PUMPS? UM, OKAY.

SO IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO THE CAR WASH AIR, WE GO, OKAY.

SO, UH, IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE HERE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE, SO I'D BE RIGHT.

UH, I'D BE RIGHT IN AT THIS LOCATION RIGHT AT THIS DRIVEWAY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND THEN I WOULD ACCESS RIGHT THIS WAY AND TO VACUUMS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

I'D BE FUN TO COMING ON OLD, TROY, I'M COMING THIS WAY, NORTHBOUND, I'M ENTERING AT THIS LOCATION HEADING STRAIGHT BACK.

IF I'M COMING FROM SOUTHBOUND, I WOULD ACTUALLY ENTER FROM THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED YARDS NORTH OF DISLOCATION.

SO I'D BE COMING FROM THIS INTERSECTION AND I'D BE COMING DOWN AND HEADING INTO THE CARWASH THAT WAY.

SO THERE'S STACKING, UM, BOTH HERE, HERE, UH, DOWN THIS DRIVE AND THEN THE CONVENTIONAL, UH, MORE CONVENTIONAL ONSITE.

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THEY'D COME SOUTH ON OLD TROY, CORRECT.

TURN IN BY THE, WITH THE LIGHT.

AND THEY'D EITHER MAKE A LEFT AT THE LIGHT, A HUNDRED YARDS NORTH OF THIS INTERSECTION, OR THEY'D COME DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE AND MAKE A LEFT AT THAT LIGHT.

ALSO THE DIMENSIONAL LAYOUT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? RICHARD MERA DISCOVERED ONE OTHER STATEMENT TO MAKE AND ALL OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW WE SEE IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA QUITE A BIT, AND I KNOW PEOPLE IS COMING TO THIS PODIUM AND SAID, YOU WERE HEIGHTS IS FULL OF GAS STATIONS, CAR WASHES, CHICKEN JOINTS, AND PIZZA JOINTS.

AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A MARKET HERE.

WE HAVE A NICHE FOR THAT HERE, PEOPLE VISIT THAT, BUT I WOULD URGE THIS COUNCIL AND I WOULD EVEN ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO GET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF TO, AND EVEN THE FIRE CHIEF TO PULL THE RECORDS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BUSIEST INTERSECTION IN OUR CITY THAT HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST, IN MY OPINION, CRASH RATIO AND THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WE'RE SAYING, PUTTING, PUTTING IN THE LARGEST DESTINATION GAS STATION IN THE REGION, I THINK THAT SHOULD CAUSE PAUSE AND CONCERN FOR EVERYBODY SITTING ON THIS DIES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS MADE HIS I'M SORRY, IS CURRENTLY MAKING MODIFICATIONS AND PLANS TO IMPROVE TAYLORSVILLE AND TROY, BUT MERRITT TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE MADE SIGN ADJUSTMENTS TO MERRILY WAY WE'VE MADE SIGN ADJUSTMENTS TO 70.

WE'VE MADE SIGN ADJUSTMENTS TO BRENT PIKE.

I THINK YOU'VE MADE THE STATEMENTS THAT I'VE MADE THE STATEMENTS JOINTLY RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY DRIVE THE WAY THEY WANT TO DRIVE.

UM, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE FACT OF THE MATTER.

UM, I MEAN, WE, WE ALL KNOW THE PEAK TIMES, WE ALL KNOW THE HOLIDAY TRAFFIC.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE LIKE WHEN THERE'S A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT.

UM, I, I, AGAIN, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PAUSE, A PAUSE AND A CONCERN HERE.

UM, AND WE NEED TO ASK OURSELVES, DOES THIS COMMUNITY, IS IT WARRANTED THAT ANOTHER CAR WASH IS NEEDED WHEN WE HAVE THREE CAR WASHES IN THE COMMUNITY CURRENTLY FOR SALE? DO WE NEED ANOTHER GAS STATION IN THIS COMMUNITY WHEN WE HAVE ONE OF THEM IN THE PROCESS OF CLOSING DOWN, UM, IS THERE ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE CITY THAT WOULD BETTER SUIT THIS DESTINATION GAS STATION WHERE NOT ONLY THEY COULD GET THE BUSINESS FROM OUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND THE HEIGHTS DEVELOPMENT AND INTERSTATE TRAFFIC WITHOUT IMPEDING A CURRENT DESIGN? UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK SHEETZ IS, UH, IS THE BEE'S KNEES WHEN IT COMES TO GAS STATIONS.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

UM, I MEAN, I'VE VISITED THEM ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

UM, I MEAN, I WAS A CHAMPION FOR CASEY'S HERE BECAUSE I SEEN WHAT CASEY'S IS, HAS DONE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.

AND THEY'VE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THERE'S WHAT TWO OR THREE OF THEM IN THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, SO I, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION ON THIS.

THANK YOU, GLENN.

I AGREE WITH, WITH MR. SHARP, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT ADDITIONALLY, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO US, UH, I LIKED THE PRESENTATION INITIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AS THIS IS GOING TO BE A MORE OPEN CONCEPT WITH LIGHT RETAIL AND OFFICE, POSSIBLY MEDICAL THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND IT REALLY OPENED THAT AREA UP QUITE A BIT AND MADE IT VERY ATTRACTIVE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE VISION THAT WAS THERE AND THIS, THIS KIND OF CHANGES THAT IT CHANGES THE LOOK OF THE CORNER.

IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, NOTHING AGAINST SHEETS.

I THINK THERE'S GOTTA BE A PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IT CAN, THAT IT COULD, UH, BE LOCATED THAT WOULD SERVE THEM AND OUR COMMUNITY BETTER.

AND THOSE TRAVELING DOWN THE INTERSTATE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CORNER IS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO PUT AT THAT CAME WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

I WONDER IF WE WOULD HAVE SAID, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.

LET'S DO THAT.

BUT WHEN THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL CAME WITH THE, WITH WHAT IT CAME WITH, IT LOOKED VERY NICE.

IT WAS OPEN, THE CONCEPT WAS CLEAN AND THIS KIND OF, THIS DEFINITELY CHANGES THE BALLGAME.

I THINK FOR ME, THANK RICHARD.

NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, NOT FOR TONIGHT, BUT AT SOME FUTURE TIME, WOULD YOU SHARE MAYBE SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON OPTIONS, OPTION LOCATIONS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YEAH.

AND BRIAN, COULD YOU HAVE, UH, AARON ALSO, UH, GIVE US THE DIMENSION LAYOUT OF, OF WHAT SHEETS GOING TO BE TAKING UP HERE, MAYBE THE ACREAGE AND

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SO I THINK PART OF WHAT HAPPENED IF I REMEMBER, SO WHEN WE HAD THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT WAS BANK, UM, AND MEDICAL OFFICE, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT WAS THE MEDICAL OFFICE THAT WE NOW JUST STARTED LOOKING AT OVER IN, UH, IN ROYAL KING, I THINK, BUT I THINK WHAT THE DEMAND FOR THE, UH, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MOUNT WHITNEY, ALL THE TAYLORSVILLE, AND THEN WE WANTED EXTRA LANE OR EXTRA DRIVE ACCESS, UH, OUT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE.

CAUSE AT SOME POINT WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT WITH BROADREACH, COULD THEY GET OWNERSHIP OF, OF MOUNT WHITNEY AND TURN THAT ALL INTO JUST THAT, THAT ACCESS OUT OF THERE AND THEN KIND OF ENTER INTO THE BACK.

AND I THINK THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO ACQUIRE THAT, THAT BECAUSE IT WAS FROM PRIVATE PRIVATE OWNER, I THINK THE ISSUE IS BECAUSE WE DEMANDED AND WE WERE, WE STOOD FIRM ON MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS ROAD THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE.

NOW, DID THAT DO ANYTHING BRIAN THAT RESTRICTED THE, THE AREA NEEDED FOR THE BANK, UH, HOSPITAL ACCESS COMBINED BECAUSE WE DEMANDED THE ROAD THERE.

IF WE WOULD HAVE CHANGED OUR MIND AND SAID, NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WOULD WE STILL HAVE A BANK? AND, UH, WE STILL HAVE A BANK IN THE MEDICAL FACILITY GOING THERE, NOT ACROSS THE STREET.

DID WE BITE, WHAT DID WE COVER NOSE TO SPITE OUR FACE HERE? NOW THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.

AND SO THERE ARE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT PLAYED IN THAT PLAY INTO THIS SITUATION.

AND SO, UM, THE, UM, BANK THAT WAS ON THE CORNER WAS CHASE.

THEY CAME IN AND WENT THROUGH A FULL, UM, THEY HAD FULL SITE PLAN APPROVAL PRIOR TO I THINK THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE BEING APPROVED.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES BETWEEN THE ABILITY TO OPEN AND SUSTAIN THAT CHASE BRANCH HERE RELATIVE TO THE BRANCH THAT, UM, HAD RECENTLY ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, UH, AT CHAMBERSBURG ACROSS FROM, UH, ACROSS FROM ST PETER'S.

SO WHEN, UH, THE BANK IN WHATEVER CAPACITY, IT MADE ITS ANALYSIS, UH, AND THE REGION'S RECENT PURCHASE OF THAT PARCEL BY, UH, BY THE CORPORATE OFFICE, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THIS SITE COULD NOT BE SUSTAINED AND THEY PULLED OUT.

SO AT THE TIME THE APPLICATION WAS MADE BY THE BY BROAD REACH, UH, CHASE WAS A LEGITIMATE AND REAL USER BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD AT THE TIME THE MEDICAL USE, WHICH WAS ALSO PROPOSED, UM, DID, UH, IS THE ONE THAT IS NOW PROPOSED IN FRONT OF RURAL KING AND IT ATTENDED TO LOCATE HERE, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE ADAMANT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY, UH, COMING OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE AND THE SITE INTERCONNECTIVITY, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO THEIR ONSITE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, RELATIVE TO THE, UH, RELATIVE TO THE PRIVATE DRIVES.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT COMPELLED THEM TO MOVE ACROSS THE STREET AND LOOK AT THAT SITE AS THEIR END USE, BECAUSE THE CITY WAS SO ADAMANT ABOUT, UH, SITE ACCESS HERE AS A RESULT, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UM, SOLICITED, INTERESTED PARTIES FOR PRINCIPAL PERMITTED USES.

THIS IS A PRINCIPLE PERMITTED USE ON THE SITE, UH, AND THAT HAS CERTAIN IMPLICATIONS WITH IT.

AND SO, UM, WHILE THE DEVELOPER, THE INITIAL DEVELOPER AND THEIR, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM A YEAR AGO MIGHT HAVE SUBMITTED THOSE USES AT THAT TIME.

UH, THOSE WERE REAL AND LEGITIMATE LEADS, AND THOSE WERE ISSUES THAT WERE BEING PURSUED, BUT JUST LIKE ANY DEVELOPMENT, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE A PART OF, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF CONDITIONS TO CLOSE, AND THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF STIPULATIONS TO THOSE AGREEMENTS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS SITUATION, UH, ONE CORPORATE ISSUE LED TO THE BANK, NOT LOCATING AT THE SITE AND, UH, AND OUR DEMAND FOR INNER SIGHT ACCESSIBILITY LIMITED THE OTHER POTENTIAL USER.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FIND OURSELVES WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS.

UH, SHE'S, HIS CAR WASH IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE BEHIND MCDONALD'S.

UM, SO I MEAN, I'LL JUST ASK THE OFFICE HERE IS THE, UM, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TO SHEETZ OLIVER SOUTHEAST AS WELL.

UM, I'VE NEVER USED THE CAR WASH.

I'M NOT SURE IF THE CAR WASHES ARE AT ALL OF THEM, BUT IS THE, HOW NECESSARY IS THE CAR WASH ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IF THE CAR WASHERS WERE REMOVED TO MAKE THAT FIT ON THAT SITE BETTER? UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH OF THE PROFIT CENTER THAT IS, IS THAT AN IS, IS A CAR WASH IN NECESSITY.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, UM, AND MAYOR COUNCIL AND STAFF.

UM, MY NAME IS BETH COTTONER.

I REPRESENT ACTUALLY SCOPE AND GOAL, NOT SHEETS WHERE THE DEVELOPER WHO WAS BROUGHT SHEETS TO COLUMBUS, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING THEM TO DATE.

AND OBVIOUSLY,

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THIS IS A PULL IN DOOR, SHUT CAR GETS WASHED.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU CAN ONLY FIT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS SIX PER HOUR, LIKE IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT THAT MONTHLY CARWASH WHERE YOU'RE ON A, YOU KNOW, MOVING KIND OF TARGET.

YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT YOUR WHEELS IN.

LIKE I STRUGGLE WITH CONSTANTLY, IT'S A FULL, YOU PULL IN THE DOOR, SHUT TARGETS, WASH DOORS, COME UP, YOU EXIT.

SO, UM, THIS IS JUST AN ADDED CONVENIENCE FOR SHEETZ CUSTOMERS.

THAT'S WHY THE CAR WASH IS THERE COST.

THERE'S NO MONTHLY, THERE'S NO MONTHLY PASS.

IT'S JUST A ONE-TIME PAR WASH.

UM, YEAH.

AND THIS PLAN DOES REFLECT EIGHT, UM, VACUUMS. WE'VE NOW REDUCED THOSE TO FIVE AT THE DIRECTION OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO JUST OVERALL IT IS THE CAR WASH AND CONDITION.

IS THAT A, IS THAT AN ABSOLUTE MUST? IS THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SHEETZ WANTS TO OFFER EVERY AVAILABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, USE THAT THEY CAN TO PROVIDE TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, UM, WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE THAT BACK FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, CERTAINLY BECAUSE, CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS, I MEAN, LOOK, I DO HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. SHAW, THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF CAR WASHES AND, AND OUR COMMUNITY, UM, BUT PEOPLE USE THEM.

SO I TOTALLY, I'M A FULL MARKET CAPITALIST.

I UNDERSTAND THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO SEEING TOO IS THAT WE DO HAVE LOTS OF CAR WASHES THAT AREN'T BEING USED.

WE HAVE CAR WASHES THAT ARE UP FOR SALE.

WE HAVE CAR WASHES THAT LOOK REAL WEEDS GROWING UP OUT OF THEM BECAUSE THEY JUST, THEY STOPPED TAKING CARE OF THEM BECAUSE NOBODY WAS USING THEM.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE CHEATS HAS A DESIRE TO OFFER FULL SERVICE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.

BUT AGAIN, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH RICHARD THAT WE WERE IN A POSITION WHERE IS, IS THAT, IS THAT NEEDED.

I UNDERSTAND THEM WANTING TO OFFER IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS NECESSARY OR NEEDED.

AND IF THAT IS GONE, THAT TAKES UP A HUGE PART OF THAT.

IF THAT IS GONE, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DESIGN THAT ON THE SITE, MOVE IT, THAT OPENS UP MORE ACCESSIBILITY, MORE ROOM FOR TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE OFF ONE PLACE, BECAUSE I'M OF THE OPINION TOO, THAT ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S JUST PULLING IN, IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO USE IT, IF IT'S JUST, HEY, I THINK I MIGHT GET MY CAR WASHED TODAY HERE.

INSTEAD OF ONLY THE OTHER SEVEN ONES THAT WE HAVE IN A HALF A MILE RADIUS, IF IT'S JUST THAT SPOTTY, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MIGHT SAVE SHEETZ SOME MONEY IN BUILDING IT THERE AND IT MIGHT SAVE ROOM IN THE, IN THE SPACE AND MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR, FOR THAT, FOR THAT TO BE THERE AGAIN, I, I, I CAN TAKE THAT BACK AS A CONSIDERATION TO SHEETS.

CERTAINLY.

LIKE IT JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW IS THAT CAR WASH A DEAL? DEAL-BREAKER BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S NECESSARY.

AND IF IT'S THAT TYPE OF A CARWASH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD GET USED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO IN THERE AND SHOP, BUT IF THAT'S NOT A MASSIVE PROFIT CENTER THAT SHEET SAYS, NO, WE HAVE TO HAVE, THEN I THINK, LOOK AT THE DISCUSSION OF, WELL, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT? SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, CARWASH DISCUSSION YESTERDAY.

UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNCIL TO SEE, UH, SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE POLICE AND FIRE ACTIVITY AT THAT INTERSECTION OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, COMPARED TO OTHER MAJOR INTERSECTIONS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT TWO POINTS.

ONE.

I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THE CARWASH.

UM, I THINK GETTING RID OF THAT CARWASH, UM, WOULD GET ME CLOSER TO, UH, TO CHEWING ON THIS.

UM, BUT UM, I MEAN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A DESTINATION GAS STATION AT THAT INTERSECTION.

NUMBER TWO.

UM, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE MEDICAL FACILITY AND THE BANK.

UM, I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE MEDICAL FACILITY, ONE OF THIS LOCATION, BUT SAID, HEY, WE CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NOW MADE THIS ROAD WHEN ACROSS THE STREET ASKED FOR A, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE, WE SAID NO.

AND THEY ENDED UP WITH THE SAME DESIGN PRETTY MUCH THERE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD HERE.

UM, SO, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID THAT ALL THOSE CONDITIONS WERE, BUT I JUST, I REMEMBER HEARING THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY, THEY LEFT.

THEY COULDN'T MAKE THEIR DESIGN WORK THERE.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE THE ORIGINAL THAT'S GOOD.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, I ALMOST BET YOU THAT IF YOU PUT THE, THE CURRENT, UH, UM, PROPOSED ITEM AND THAT, UH, IN THAT AREA, UH, WE PROBABLY GET PRETTY DARN CLOSE.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WITH SHEETS AND STAFF ON, UH, ON WHAT COULD WORK HERE.

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UM, AND, UH, TO DETERMINE IF THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE ADDITIONAL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT HADN'T BEEN A BANK THAT'S DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO COMPARE A BANK TO SHEETS, UH, EVEN A CHASE BANK.

UM, WHICH AGAIN, I WOULD BE BIASED.

I DON'T GO THERE, BUT, UM, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT SHEETZ GAS STATION IS GOING TO GET MORE BUSINESS THAN A BANK ALL DAY.

SO I, I DO, I DO, UM, UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE GAS STATION AND DESTINATION.

I'D WANT TO JUST FURTHER REITERATE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY HERE.

WE'RE JUST GONNA CAPTURE IT.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM ALL THE OTHER GAS STATIONS THAT ARE HERE.

PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO NATURALLY COME CHEATS.

SO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING A GAS STATION IS A DESTINATION BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT TO OFFER AN ISHIDA.

THERE'S A RESTAURANT THERE'S GAS, THERE WILL BE A CARWASH, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO NECESSARILY HANG OUT.

THEY'LL GO INTO USE THE CONVENIENCE STORE.

THEY MIGHT GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AT A SHEETZ, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S ONLY 10% OF THEIR BUSINESS.

UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A DESTINATION IT'S JUST TO PASS BY.

PEOPLE WILL GET IT IN THEIR ROUTINE.

THEY WON'T STOP AT KROGER'S.

THEY WON'T STOP AT MYERS.

THEY'LL STOP AT SHEETZ.

SO HERE WOULD BE MY REBUTTAL ON THAT.

UH, SO AS I STATED, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS INTERSECTION.

I DRIVE IT, MY WIFE DRIVES IT.

MY DAUGHTER DRIVES IT.

MY SON WANTS TO DRIVE IT.

UM, IF THAT SHEETS WAS IN EXISTENCE HERE TODAY AND OUR GAS STATION ACROSS THE INTERSTATE, UM, SPEEDWAY HAS GAS AT, YOU KNOW, FOUR, A GALLON SHEETZ IS SAYING, WE'RE OFFERING GUESTS AT 3 99 A GALLON YOU'RE NOW YOU'RE NOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO BE OR NOT BECAME A DESTINATION THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL, THAT LIVES NORTH AND UBER HEIGHTS AND CARRIAGE TRAILS, INSTEAD OF GOING TO THAT SPEEDWAY IS GOING TO COME TO SHEETZ BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY.

YOU'VE NOW INCREASED TRAFFIC.

THAT'S A BENEFIT THAT SHEETZ OFFERS TO ITS CUSTOMERS.

JUST AS SIMPLE AS THE BENEFIT TO OFFERING A CARWASH.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO SHEETS, PRICE GOUGING.

THAT'S NOT THE WORD I NECESSARILY WANT TO SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST SERVICE THAT THEY CAN FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.

I AGREE ANYONE IS GONNA COPE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS TO SEVEN OR ACROSS 70, UM, TO GET THERE, BUT THEY COULD HAVE DONE THAT ANYWAY.

THEY COULD HAVE BEEN THERE'S OTHER USES ON THIS, ON THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT REALLY ENHANCE SHEETS, THE DISCOUNT TIRE, PEOPLE CAN DROP THEIR CAR OFF, WALK NEXT DOOR TO SHEETS.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT AND JUST THE TRASH.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD REBUT THAT WITH ONE LAST THING AND THEN I'LL BE DONE IF I'M, IF I'M TRAVELING DOWN THE INTERSTATE.

AS I TOLD, I SAID EARLIER, I WAS VERY PUBLIC IN MY SUPPORTIVE CASEY'S, WHO HAS SOME OF THE BEST PIZZA AT A GAS STATION PERIOD.

IF I'M TRAVELING DOWN 70, AND I KNOW THAT CASEY'S HAS THAT PIZZA, AND I SEE THAT INTERNET, UH, THAT INTERSTATE SIGN, UM, OFF OF 2 35, UM, OR COMING UP HERE, THEN I KNOW I'M GOING TO PASS EVERY OTHER GAS STATION, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR GAS PRICE IS TO DO THAT, TO GET THE PIZZA, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME ACHIEVES CAUSE THEIR MILKSHAKES AND THEY'RE FRIED MAC MACARONI, CHEESE BITES.

I'M ADDICTED.

IT'S CRAZY, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND HANG OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO STAY.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO DO YOUR BUSINESS AND GET BACK ON THE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, AND SHEETS IS NOT, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A SKY SIGN.

YOU WILL NOT THOUGH.

THEY MIGHT BE ON THE BLUE SIGN ON THE FREEWAY, BUT THEY WILL NOT, WE WILL NOT HAVE SKY SIGN.

AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SIGNAGE AS WELL, CAUSE THAT THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY SHE DOES NOT ON THE, UM, DEVELOPER SIGNAGE.

THEY HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED THOSE SPOTS FOR THE TENANTS THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY SHE'S NEEDS A SIGN ON WE'LL TRY OR IS ASKING FOR A SIGN ON OLD TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE.

I MADE YOU, UM, MR. SHAWLS COMMENTS, I'M NOT CONCERNED AS MUCH WITH THE PERSON WHO NORMALLY GETS THEIR GAS OR KROGER'S WHEN I'M GOING TO SHOOT OVER TO SHEETZ INSTEAD, BUT LIKE MY SITUATION AND I'M WITH YOU COMPLETELY, BECAUSE ON OUR WAY BACK SUNDAY, MY KIDS GOT WHAT THEY CAN REFER TO AS A FRIED BOX OF LOVE, WHICH IS THE CHEESE CURD, THE MAC AND CHEESE BITES AND SOME OTHER CHEESE FRIED.

BUT, UM, UM, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S EVERYONE COMING DOWN 70, IT IS A PLACE THAT I LOOK FOR.

OKAY, HEY, IF YOU GUYS CAN FIND THE SHEETS POINTED OUT SO WE CAN JUMP OFF AND GET SOME GAS AND GET ALL THE GOOD STUFF WE LIKE, AND THOSE ARE THE OF CARS OF ARMY DRAGGING OFF A 70.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, EARLIER THE PRESENTATION WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON WITH ODAT AND THE REVIEW TIME.

SO WE'RE EXPERIENCING THAT EXACT SAME

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THING.

SO THERE WILL BE A SHEETS AT 70 AND, UM, EXCUSE ME, WHAT, UM, DOES THE EXIT, RIGHT? WHATEVER IT IS.

SO THERE'LL BE A SHEETS THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE W SHE DOESN'T CONTRACT FOR HAVE BEEN HELD UP WITH ODAT FOR RIGHT.

FOR PROBABLY THE LAST 17 MONTHS, UM, ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS THEY POP UP, WHICH BELIEVE ME, THEY'RE GOING TO START POPPING UP.

UM, IT, IT WILL BECOME A LESS OF A DESTINATION, A LESS OF A FREEWAY DESTINATION, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE MORE AVAILABLE, THERE'LL BE MORE AVAILABLE.

AND I THINK THE, THE OTHER LOCATION YOU'RE SPEAKING TO IS A VERY GOOD LOCATION.

PICK OFF QUICK BACK ON.

OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT DO THEY CHARGE FOR A CARWASH? I, I HONESTLY, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I, UM, HAVE ONLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE IN COLUMBUS AND IT'S IN CIRCLEVILLE.

I SAT THERE LITERALLY FOR PROBABLY 30 MINUTES AND NO ONE USED IT.

SO, UM, I, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I DID NOT PAY ATTENTION HOW MUCH IT IS.

THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THE ONE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO PUT ON BRANT IS, IS GOING TO ALSO HAVE A CARWASH.

UM, UNFAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER LOCATION, WHETHER YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN TIED UP IN OH, AT SPRINGFIELD.

OH, OKAY.

GREENFIELD, SPRINGFIELD.

SO HE REFERENCED TRAFFIC ON 70 COMING INTO YOUR HEIGHTS.

THERE WILL BE A SHEETZ AT THAT EXIT IN SPRINGFIELD.

WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CHARGE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY BIG TASK FOR THEM TO COMPETE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, I FORGET WHAT IT IS BEHIND MCDONALD'S.

YOU KNOW, UM, PREVIOUSLY BEFORE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WE, WE HAVE EATEN AT THAT ROOSTERS, UM, MY ENGINEER, JOSH LONG, AND I, AND, UM, UH, THE, THE IT'S VERY LOUD.

AND THE CARS ARE JUST CONSTANT, CONSTANT, CONSTANT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IS THAT THIS CAR WASH WILL PULL PEOPLE OFF THERE.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PULL THE MONTHLY SUBSCRIBERS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SIT AND WAIT FOR THAT CAR WASH OBVIOUSLY.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE DAILY USERS OF THAT CARWASH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS.

MY ONLY COMMENT IS THIS IS A VERY BIG DRIVE-THRU COMMUNITY, SO MAKE SURE YOU MEASURE WELL, WE CAN, WE RUN TWO CHICK-FIL-A DRIVE-THROUGHS AT ONE TIME.

I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER ONE HAS TWO AT ONE TIME, EVERYBODY, LIKE THEY'RE THERE.

DONALD'S GOT TO TOO.

WE HAVE DUPLICATES OR RESTAURANTS.

SO BE PREPARED.

BELIEVE ME.

IF, IF, IF SHE, IF WE CAME IN AND WE WANTED TO ADD A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH, ONTO THIS FOR SHEETS, IT, IT WOULD BE VERY WELL RECEIVED OBVIOUSLY, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, EVERY SHEETZ FAMILY MEMBER WILL BE OUT HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THIS ONE IS SO HIGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS.

IT'S NOT, MCDONALD'S, IT'S NOT, CHICK-FIL-A, IT'S 10% OF THE BUSINESS AND THEY HAVE NUMBERS TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO, SO I BELIEVE ME.

I, I DO, UM, WHEN YOU SEE A DRIVE THROUGH, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU THINK OF RIGHT.

SITTING IN, MCDONALD'S SITTING AT STARBUCKS WAITING.

THIS IS NOT THAT, UM, THIS BUSINESS IS NOT THAT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR FIVE MONDAY, OR, OR NO RECOMMENDATION FOR MONDAY, OR WHAT W WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO HERE? I LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON MONDAY.

UH, THAT'D BE, UH, PLACED ON FOR OUR FIRST READING, UH, ALLOW STAFF IN THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

UM, THAT IS, THAT IS MY REQUEST.

SO ONE OF TWO, ONE OF A MINIMUM OF TWO READINGS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO RICHARD'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO MONDAY FOR, UH, THE FIRST OF A COUPLE OF READINGS, PROBABLY, UM, GIVE US SOME OPPORTUNITY.

UH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT CARWASH AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY AT THAT SITE? OKAY.

UM, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT, UH, IF WE HAD, UH, ACCIDENT FIGURES FROM, UH, FROM THAT INTERSECTION THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE ROAD IS GOING TO CHANGE SO MUCH.

I MOVE ON.

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I MEAN, THAT INTERSECTION CERTAINLY IS GOING TO CHANGE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR US JUST TO HAVE THAT AS BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR THAT INTERSECTION, KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE MIGHT BE GOOD, THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE THAT AT LEAST AS A REFERENCE.

BUT I AGREE IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS A POINT OF REFERENCE FOR WHAT MIGHT COME LATER.

AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS CASE BDP 22 DASH 25 HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT, BASICALLY ALL I'M PLAYING AT 6,209 RANT, RIGHT? UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO WE'LL MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY.

[ Case BDP 22-25 - Homestead Development - Basic Development Plan - 6209 Brandt Pike]

UH, THIS IS, UH, THE MEADOWS, UH, PROJECT, UH, THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SUBJECT TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PLAN IS A 15.56 ACRES.

UH, THE MAJORITY OF WHICH WAS FORMERLY THE, UM, PREMIER VACANT, UH, THE VACANT LAND THAT WAS OWNED BY PREMIER.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, PLAN MIXED USE, UH, AND IT HAS THE BRAND PIKE OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, ON IT AS WELL.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, UH, ON ITS VARIOUS SIDES.

THE PLANS IN QUESTION FOR REVIEW INVOLVE 135, A UNIT SENIOR COMMUNITY, AND 192, UM, MARKET RATE MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY.

UH, THIS IS THE PROJECT SITE HERE.

UH, EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, UM, THE, UM, THE BACKGROUND, UH, FOR THE, I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE, UH, THE BRAND PIKE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, IS A FACTOR IN A LOT OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING, UH, THESE PARTICULAR, UM, AS A PROJECT, BUT THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, UH, DOES MEET SOME OF THE IDENTIFIED TARGETS FROM THAT STUDY, INCLUDING, UM, MULTI FAMILY MARKET RATE HOUSING.

UM, THE CITY IS ACTIVELY WORKING WITH SEVERAL OTHER DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS HERE, INCLUDING, UH, THE LIBRARY OF DOGTOWN.

UH, AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO ADVANCE THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PROJECT.

UH, THIS SITE ALSO CALLS LONG-TERM, UH, FOR THE UTILIZATION OF A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, UH, AND SOME OTHER INCENTIVE TOOLS THAT NOT ONLY, UH, UH, HELP FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

AND SO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, UH, THESE, UH, UNITS, UH, BUT ALSO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.

UM, AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, UH, ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN, UH, THAT WAS ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH, UH, THIS PROJECT.

THE COUNCIL HAS SEEN PREVIOUSLY PLANNING COMMISSION, I BELIEVE, UH, ALSO IS A FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, CONCEPT, UH, OVERLAY AS WELL.

UH, THIS IS, UH, THE PROJECT IN QUESTION IS THE NORTH SIDE, THE SENIOR APARTMENTS ARE ON THE LEFT, UH, ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

UH, AND THEN THE MARKET RATE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ARE ON THE TOP RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, UM, KIND OF A CLOSER UP VIEW.

UH, YOU'LL SEE, UH, A GUY IN THE SENIOR ON THE LEFT, UH, MARKET RATE COMMUNITY ON THE RIGHT.

AND THEN, UH, THIS IS AN UPDATED CONCEPT, UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AGAIN, SENIOR COMMUNITY ON THE LEFT, UPDATED COMMUNITY ON THE RIGHT.

UM, THE, UM, THE CENTER MASS IS REALLY THE CHANGING AREA, IF YOU WILL.

UH, THE PROPOSED SENIOR CENTER IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT.

SEE THAT CENTER MASS RIGHT ON THE ROUNDABOUT.

UH, AND THEN THAT IS PARK SPACE AND POND AS YOU MOVE, UH, TO WHAT WOULD BE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL RETAIL, UM, ON THE BOTTOM SLID IN BETWEEN WHAT IS THE EXISTING CRD ON THE LEFT AND THE LIBRARY BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL OUT PARCEL FOR RETAIL COMMERCIALS.

UH, YES, SIR.

UM, AND IT IS, UM, THERE'S A SIMILAR SPACE HERE, UM, REFLECTED AS WELL.

UH, BUT THIS IS THE MOST UP-TO-DATE UPDATED PLAN.

THIS IS, UH, A PLAN THAT'S BEING ADVANCED BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, UH, IN CONCERT WITH THE CITY, UH, BUT, UH, WAS DEVELOPED AFTER THIS PROCESS STARTED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST YOU, AS COUNCIL WERE AWARE OF WHAT THE MOST UP-TO-DATE PLAN IS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT, UH, THIS

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IS A DEMONSTRATION, UH, OF, UH, SIGHT LINES FROM THOSE RESIDENTIAL USERS THAT WOULD BE, UH, TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE.

UH AND WHAT, UH, BASED ON THE PROPOSAL, UH, FOR BOTH THE SENIOR AND FOR THE MARKET RATE, UH, WHAT, UH, THE PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE THE SIDELINES WOULD BE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.

UM, THE, UM, THE USES ARE PRO PRINCIPAL PERMITTED USES WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

UH, THE SIDE PROVIDES FOR APPROXIMATELY 40% OPEN SPACE, UH, BEYOND THE 25 MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

UH, THERE IS A 37 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO THE WEST AND THE BACK OF THE GARAGES.

UH, THERE IS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE CONTINUATION OF SIDEWALKS, UH, IN BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND THAT, UH, IT SHOULD BE NOTED.

SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING PLANS ARE NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL, BUT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, AGAIN, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, BUT, UH, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THERE'D BE A CLUSTERING OF PLANTS AND TREES ALONG THE FRONT EDGE, UH, AND THAT, UH, THE SEPARATION MOUNDING BETWEEN USES WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN BECAUSE THIS PLAN DOES INCLUDE PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE PUBLIC STREETS, UH, WHICH WOULD ACT AS A BUFFER, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE MOUND WHERE WE WOULD HAVE, UM, IMMEDIATELY THE ADJOINING PROPERTY LINES, UH, PARKING LOT, UH, SHE'D BE PARKING, EXCUSE ME.

THE CODE REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER UNIT.

UH, THE NON-SENIOR FACILITY IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY TWO SPACES JUST UNDER, UH, AND THEN THE SENIOR, UH, FACILITIES, UH, PROPOSING JUST SLIGHTLY LESS THAN ONE SPACE PER UNIT, EXCUSE ME.

QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL, THEN I CAN ADDRESS BRIAN REAL QUICK.

BEING THAT IT'S A AGE RESTRICTED SENIOR COMMUNITY, THE CONCEPT BEING THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AMENITIES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT NOT EVERY END-USER WOULD NEED A VEHICLE, BUT THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE DEVELOPER AND GETTING INTO THAT IN GREATER DETAIL.

UM, AS NOTED, THERE IS A, UM, OVERLAY DISTRICT RELATED TO THE BRAND PIPE REVITALIZATION THAT APPLIES TO THE SITE.

UH, THE PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THOSE STANDARDS, BUT THERE IS A CONFLICT WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE HEIGHT LIMIT.

SO THE OVERLAY PROVIDES FOR A LIMITATION OF THREE STORIES OR 35 FEET, BUT THE BASE ZONING DOES NOT SIT.

THERE IS A CONFLICT WITH THAT.

UH, AND AS A RESULT, THE PLANNER, UH, IS RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, THAT CONDITION BE WAIVED, UH, SIDEWALKS IN QUESTION, BY THE WAY, RECOMMENDED AT FIVE FOOT MINIMUM WIDTH, AS OPPOSED TO CONVENTIONAL FOR, UH, THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING ARE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO MATERIALS AND, UM, PRESENCE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING, UH, AGAIN, THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLAY BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ONLY, UH, REQUIRING SEVERAL ITEMS TO RETURN, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDER THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT SECTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, AND LIGHTING.

UH, THESE ARE THE LIST OF THE MORE EXTENSIVE LIST OF CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, UH, BEING RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.

UH, AND THIS, AGAIN, ADDRESSES, UH, THE CONNECTIVITY WITH THE SIDEWALKS, THE TREES, UH, SIGNED PACKAGE, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, UH, THE MOUNDING, AS WELL AS, UH, STORM WATER AND FIRE CODE.

UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE, UH, FIVE TO ZERO, UM, AND RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, THERE WERE RESIDENTS AT THE MEETING WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS REGARDING, UH, FLOODING, WHICH OCCURS ON THAT WEST PROPERTY LINE, WHICH THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD ADDRESS.

UH, AND THEN THE BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, THAT, UH, ISSUE IS ATTEMPTED TO BE REMEDIATED BY THE VISUAL DEMONSTRATION, UH, PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.

UH, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME GENERAL NOISE CONCERNS, UH, FROM, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UH, WHO DID ATTEND, UH, AGAIN, UH, PLANTERS FOOTNOTES ON THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, ARE THAT, UH, THERE TWO, THERE WERE TWO RESIDENTS WHO SPOKE AT THE MEETING.

UH, THEIR CONCERNS WERE FLOODING THEIR BACKYARDS FLOOD CONSIDERABLY DURING RATE EVENTS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPROVE AND POSSIBLY ELIMINATE THAT FLOODING.

UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN, UH, REGARDING NOISE FROM THE NEW RESIDENTS.

UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A, UH, ADDITIONAL CONCERN ABOUT LIGHTING, UH, BUT, UH, AND I QUOTE, THEY SHOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE LIGHTING, BUT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THE DETAILED ELEMENTS PHASE.

THOSE REPRESENT ALL OF THE NOTES FROM A PLANNER.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

AND AGAIN, THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEVELOPER HERE, UH, FIELD, ANY MORE DETAILED

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THE I, SO WE HAVE, I THINK, IS IT ANNE'S BURY THAT RUNS FIND, UH, OFTEN FISHBURG OFF OF THIS BEHIND THIS YES, I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

SO IS THERE, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED OR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ON, ON, ON HANSBERRY.

WHAT, WHAT CHANGES OR, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SAID THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY, UH, EASY TO WORK WITH IN REGARDS TO MAKING CHANGES, TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS, I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS THERE'D BE NO THREE-STORY APARTMENTS.

THAT WOULD BE ALONG THAT BACKSIDE ONLY ON THE TWO STORY.

SO IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO, TO TRY TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, MAYBE THE PRIVACY ISSUES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.

AND THEN AS I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US ALL TO HEAR WHAT OTHER, EITHER ACCOMMODATIONS OR WHATEVER ELSE IT WAS NOT DEVELOPERS HAS TRIED TO DO TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON, UM, ON THOSE NEIGHBORS TO, TO THESE SURE.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE HAD FORWARDED ON TO THE DEVELOPER IN AN ATTEMPT TO, UM, ADDRESS.

SO, UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE BUILDINGS BEING, UM, THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS BEING CLOSE TO THE LOT LINES, UH, AND IT WAS ASKED IF THE DEVELOPER COULD MOVE THOSE BUILDINGS AS FAR TO THE EAST AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE BUILDINGS BEING MASSED AT THREE STORIES UNIFORMLY ACROSS, UM, AND IF THERE WAS A WAY TO REDUCE THOSE, UH, THE DEVELOPER, UH, BROUGHT BACK CONCEPTS FROM BASICALLY WHAT WOULD BE A CONSISTENT THREE-STORY MODEL TO, UM, UH, 2, 3, 2, SO TWO STORIES ON THE END WITH THREE STORIES ON THE END TO KIND OF BREAK THAT LINEUP.

UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST, UH, THAT, UM, FOR THE BUFFERING, IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD USE A COMBINATION OF MATURE, UM, AND LESS MATURE TREES AND THAT THOSE TREES NOT ALL BE, UH, DECIDUOUS, THAT SOME OF THOSE TREES BE CONIFEROUS BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO BREAK UP THE SIDELINE IN THE WINTER TIME.

UH, SO THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION, UH, TO OUR ATTENTION.

UH, THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST TO ADDRESS THE STORM WATER POND AND ARE POOLING IN THE BACK.

UH, SO THAT, UH, IS AN ISSUE THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS PLAN.

AND THEN THERE WAS A GENERAL REQUEST TO EFFECTIVELY, UH, RELOCATE IF YOU WILL, OR TO REFLECT THE PARK CONCEPT AS IT EXISTS IN THE 2017, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PLAN, UH, THE PROPOSED PARK IS EFFECTIVELY A LONG BUFFER BETWEEN, UM, AND THAT PLAN AND WHAT IS MULTIPLE STORY RESIDENTIAL OVER RETAIL, UH, RELATIVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAD SPOKEN WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT TRYING TO PUSH THAT FURTHER OUT TO THE ROAD AND THE DEVELOPER WAS UNABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST.

AND I WANT TO BELIEVE, UH, THAT WAS FOR MITIGATION REASONS, BUT, UH, I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO HIM FOR A FINAL ANSWER ON THAT.

BUT I RECALL THAT BEING, UH, THE REASON THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO MOVE THAT OUT, BUT THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US THAT WE PASSED ON.

HAVE TO DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER ON THAT? BUT YES, THAT WOULD BE THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE FLUSHED OUT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT, UH, I'M SURE THAT, UH, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD ADDRESS.

UM, YES, THE, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOTES, UM, AND IT SAYS, UH, THAT THE PARKING, UM, WILL BE EQUIVALENT TO A 0.99, UH, SPACES PER UNIT.

THIS IS FOR, UM, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THESE, UH, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES ARE STATE ARE IDENTIFIED AS 55 PLUS, AND PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING AT 55 PLUS.

SO IF YOU HAVE, UH, A BUNCH OF CARS COMING AND GOING, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO BE VERY NARROW.

YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE SPACE.

WHAT IF SOMEONE IS HANDICAPPED? I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY THING IN THEIR DESIGNATING.

I KNOW THIS WILL COME OUT MORE IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT ARE THEY ALLOWING SO MANY AT A WIDER WIDTH OF SOMEONE THAT NEEDS TO HAVE MORE ROOM TO GET A WHEELCHAIR OUT OR SOMETHING I'D

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THE ONLY REASON THAT I'M RECENT RAISING IT AT THIS POINT IS BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT, UM, STAFF DOES NOT THINK AT THIS TIME TO SACRIFICING GREEN SPACE FOR PARKING AS NECESSARY.

UM, AND I SAW A NOTE IN THE PACKAGE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING AND IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE, UH, PLANS FOR TWO SMALL DOG PARKS, AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THOSE ARE REFLECTED ON THERE.

AND I WOULD THINK SINCE THERE'S A DOG PARK, JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS DOWN THE STREET THAT, UM, MAYBE IT WOULD BE WISER TO HAVE MORE PARKING OR MORE ADEQUATE PARKING, THEN THE DOG SPACE.

HI.

HELLO, PLEASE.

IF YOU WOULD, MATT CANTERBURY, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT HOMES THAT, UM, BRIAN, IF I COULD ASK TO YOU TO THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, UH, I'LL BE ABLE TO HELP WITH ALL THOSE QUESTIONS WHILE HE'S GETTING THERE.

AND MAYBE IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO ZOOM IN ON THAT 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, ACTUALLY, THAT'S PERFECT.

UM, I'LL PROJECT, IF YOU DON'T MIND WILDLINGS, DO WE HIT IT AND ACTUALLY, DO WE HAVE A MICROPHONE? CAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER THERE, SO CAN I MAKE SURE THAT THE MICROPHONE IS, IS WORKING WELL? I THINK WE HAVE ONE THAT'S THAT'S MOBILE THAT HE COULD, THAT HE COULD HOLD IT.

I COULD ALSO, IF IT'S EASIER, I'LL JUST, I'LL DIRECT.

SEE HOW GOOD YOU ARE HERE.

NOT THE MOUSE.

I GOT YOU RIGHT HERE.

I'LL JUST USE THEM.

SO FIRST THING, 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THREE OF THESE, UH, CLOSE.

WE'RE GONNA OPEN THREE OF THESE OPERATIONS AND, UM, THE CLOSEST IS ACTUALLY IN BEAVER CREEK.

I WOULD SUGGEST AS IT WORK.

PERFECT.

I WOULD SUGGEST VISITING THERE.

IT'S WONDERFUL.

UM, 115 PARKING SPACES, 132 IT'S IN BEAVER CREEK.

WHAT'S IT CALLED? IT'S CALLED, UM, HOMESTEAD SENIOR LIVING FOR YOUR CREEK.

SO I COULD GET THE ADDRESS THROUGH STAFF IF YOU'D LIKE TO VISIT, RIGHT.

IT'S, WE'RE EXTREMELY PROUD OF IT.

AND I THINK IT'S GREAT.

OF COURSE I DO.

IT'S EASY FOR ME RIGHT NOW WITH THAT THOUGH.

UM, SO JUST TO TALK ABOUT 55, PLUS OUR AVERAGE RESIDENT STARTS WITH US BETWEEN 65 AND 72.

SO 55 PLUS IS AN INDUSTRY NUMBER, BUT THE REALITY IS THEY'RE 65 TO 72.

SO OUR DRIVERS ACTUALLY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.

IN FACT, OUR PERCENTAGES RANGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 58 TO 65% OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVING A CAR.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO A HUNDRED AND I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT 120 SPACES ON THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.

THE, THE COMMENT REGARDING NO TA, NO REASON TO TAKE PARKING FROM GREENSPACE AT THIS TIME WAS THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION IN THE FUTURE TO OF COURSE, ADD SOME MORE HERE.

AND WE LOVE THE FACT THAT JUXTAPOSITION THIS GREEN SPACE OVER THE CENTRAL AREA, JUST HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW.

SO WE LAID OUR PARKING OUT HERE, HERE, AND BACK THERE, WE DO HAVE MORE THAN CODE REQUIRED, UM, HANDICAPPED WITHIN THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE DOG PARK IS ONE REALLY PER COMMUNITY IT'S INSET.

SO THIS IS REALLY FOR THEIR DOGS TO DO THEIR BUSINESS MORE SO THAN GO OUT, ENJOY PLAY WALK.

SO IT'S BEEN SET IN THIS COURTYARD HERE AS WE COME OVER TO THIS ENVIRONMENT HERE, IT'S HERE, AND IT WAS PUT THERE FOR A PURPOSE OF WHAT I'LL EXPLAIN IN JUST A SECOND IN TERMS OF THE MASSING, AS WELL AS THE SITE RESTRAINTS TO THE NEIGHBORS.

PARDON? OVERFLOW PARKING OVERFLOW.

DO YOU HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING? I'M SORRY.

ACCORDING WITH 120 SPACES.

AND AT THAT 65%, YES.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT GUESTS IN OVERFLOW PARKING.

OF WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LOOP ROAD ON BOTH SIDES WILL BE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WALKABILITY ADDITIONAL.

UM, I DON'T SEE.

AND I KNOW THAT AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY SIDEWALKS IN THERE.

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR PLAN IS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND IN FACT, UM, WE'D SENT SOMETHING THROUGH, ON THE 14TH TO STAFF THAT ACTUALLY STARTED TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THE STAFF COMMENTS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AVAILABLE, IF IT'S NOT THAT'S THAT'S OKAY.

YEAH, WE DID.

WE DIDN'T THINK IT APPROPRIATE TO PUT THAT PARTICULAR DRAWING INCLUSIVE HERE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MATERIAL THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAD SEEN.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO, TO EXPOUND UPON THAT.

AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS, UM, SNAPCHAT, UH, EIGHT COMMENTS, BASICALLY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE, OKAY.

SO OF THE SIDEWALKS THERE, PERIMETER SIDEWALKS, BUT ADDITIONALLY, UM, THERE ARE CONNECTIVITY SIDEWALKS TO WHAT IS THE NEW CENTER AREA.

AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS WE WANT TO LET THIS MATURE TO BE ABLE TO LOGICALLY LOCATE POINTS.

SO AROUND THE ENTIRETY

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THERE'LL BE PURPOSEFUL CROSSWALKS OVER TO THIS AREA TO BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THE SENIOR CENTER, THE PARK, THE LIBRARY.

SO WE DO HAVE THOSE INCLUDED THROUGHOUT, YOU'LL SEE, WE'RE CONTEMPLATING SOME SIDEWALKS TO MAKE THIS FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ABOVE THOSE, BEYOND THOSE EIGHT POINTS, THERE WERE SETBACK NOTES THAT WERE, UM, NO MOUNDING TREES BUNCHED.

SO WE HAVE BEGUN TO DEVELOP THAT PLAN FURTHER, REALLY KIND OF SEEING THAT AS A CATALYST, ADDITIONALLY, WITH WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MIDDLE AND AS THAT DEVELOPS TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT IN THE BEST SPOT TO MAKE THIS A COHESIVE.

YEAH, WELL, I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THIS A DESTINATION.

AND SO WE'VE GOT THE LIBRARY THERE AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO OVER AND HAVE A MEAL IN THE RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER, THAT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT EXCITES US ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THE BUFFERING THAT'S ILLUSTRATED ON THE RENDERING EXAGGERATED OR WILL THERE BE THAT TYPE OF BUFFER? SO THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WANTED TO GET THE, THAT I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU THE OTHER, OTHER DRAWING.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING TO EXAGGERATED, CAN YOU GO TO THE SITE LINE STUDY PLEASE? PERFECT.

SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE HOUSES.

SO ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT FAR AS THEY APPEAR IN THAT RENDERED, THEY ARE, AND I'LL HAVE A DIMENSION FOR YOU HERE VERY SHORTLY.

AND THIS IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

SO THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINES.

SO IN THIS, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS, AND WE HAD FOUR, UH, FOUR NEIGHBORS AT THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY WERE ALL VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED.

I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE WORST WAS GOING TO BE HERE.

SO WHAT WE DID IS ORIGINALLY THESE BUILDINGS WERE ACTUALLY SET HERE AND THERE WERE WIDER DRIVES AND PARKING OUT FRONT.

SO BASED UPON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT HAD COME BACK, WHAT WE DID IS WE SET THESE OFF.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT FIFTY SEVEN, FIFTY ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHT FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ALONE.

THE CLOSEST YOLK HOUSE HAS A 40 FOOT REAR YARD.

SO AS PART OF THIS, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND HEARING THIS IS WHETHER THE CONTINUOUS SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, WE ARE ABLE TO ACHIEVE A THREE TO FIVE FOOT TALL MOUND IN THIS 30 FEET.

SEVEN FEET FOR DRAINAGE AND UTILITY.

THIS CONTEMPLATES ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE DO HAVE A SINGLE STORY GARAGE IN THE PLAN.

ALL OF THIS DRIVE AND WALK AREA TO THE, TO THE BUILDINGS.

NOW WE'VE SHOWN PURPOSEFULLY THROUGH OF EXPERIENCE.

THESE EVERGREEN DON'T COME IS 15 FEET.

WE DON'T FIND THAT BIG.

WE BIND THEM ABOUT SIX FEET.

AND THEN WE HAVE COMMITTED TO EVERGREENS ALONG THAT ENTIRE PATH AT 20 FOOT ON CENTER.

SO IF THAT'S A SIX FOOT TALL PERSON, DAY ONE, THEIR SIGHT LINE IS GOING TO BE THE EVE OF A TOP OF A TWO-STORY BUILDING DAY MATURITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT PLANTS FOR TREES, THEY MATURITY.

THEY COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE TOP OF A THREE-STORY BUILDING.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT ILLUSTRATION, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ILLUSTRATION MEANS, THE GUY IS IN THE, IN THE YARD AND THE HOUSE IN DEVELOPMENT BEHIND THAT IS CORRECT.

NOW, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT AREA, PLEASE.

THE OTHER THING WE HAD DONE THIS ONE OR THE NEXT ONE SHOWS THE EXACT RETREATS, BOOM, RIGHT THERE.

YOU'LL SEE HOW IT'S THE HOUSING STEPS BACK.

YOU NOTICE THAT WE HAD THIS ROW OUT HERE BEFORE.

SO IN FACT, THESE STRETCH OF BUILDINGS OR CLOSER TO THE HOUSES, WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND BY INCORPORATING THE PARK HERE AND SCOOTING IT DOWN IS TRY TO GET THE HOUSES AND THE GARAGES AT THE AREA WHERE THE HOUSES, THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM ANY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER MOVE THAT WE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE BEYOND THE FACT THAT WHAT BRIAN STATED, THIS IS TWO STORY.

THAT'S THREE STORY.

THAT'S TWO STORY.

SO WE'RE STEPPING DOWN OUR MASSING, EVEN AS WE GET TO THE BACK.

SO WE'VE MADE WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THREE REALLY GOOD COMPREHENSIVE MOVES TO THE TENANTS TO HELP WITH THAT.

SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE THREE STORY BUILDINGS WILL NOT REALLY BE LOOKING DOWN IN THE BACKYARD OF THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE BEHIND THEM.

UM, THERE'S ENOUGH BUFFER AND DISTANCE THAT THEY WON'T BE THERE OR THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THE STREET BEHIND.

WON'T SEE, THAT'S THE INTENT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S A HUNDRED AND A

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SATURDAY WAS 40.

SO 140 FEET FROM STRUCTURE TO STRUCTURE WITH A LOSS OF, IN THE WAY.

RICHARD, THANK YOU, BRIAN, COULD YOU GO TO THE, UH, UM, OVERVIEW MAP THAT SHOWS THE CURB CUTS? UM, I THINK, I GUESS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY, UM, THIS SHOWS, AM I LOOKING AT THREE CURB CUTS? UM, YOU ARE ACTUALLY ONE, ONE HERE, ONE HERE.

THAT'S A SIDEWALK.

THAT'S NOT A DRIVE.

IT'S JUST SHOWN VERY POORLY.

1, 2, 3.

AND THEN ON THE VERY EDGE, WE FOUND THAT IN THIS, WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT FIRE IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT HAVING TWO WAYS IN EACH PROPERTY.

LET ME ASK MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS, UM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

DOES COUNCIL, UM, PUT TOGETHER A, UM, A PLAN, UM, THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE AREA THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT IN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS APPROVED JUST FOR THIS AREA.

MY HOPE WAS TO HAVE THAT INSTALLED HERE WITH BUSINESS ON THE FIRST STORY, LIVING ON THE SECOND, THIRD STORY LIKE WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE REGION, WHICH IS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

COULD YOU KIND OF GO OVER THE REASON WHY THAT DIDN'T GET PUT IN HERE? I CAN.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FIRST ATTRACTED US TO THE SITE WHEN WE CAME IN TO DO YOU EVER HEIGHTS SAT DOWN WITH, UH, RYAN SCOTT AT THE TIME ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO WAS OUR SENIOR PRODUCT.

AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AS ONE OF THE THESIS WHERE THE SENIOR PRODUCT WAS NAMED AS A SPECIFIC USE IN THAT PLAN FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT.

SO WE WERE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.

UM, BEYOND THAT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A STORY TO KIND OF LEAD YOU TO WHERE I'M GOING HERE.

SORRY, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, WE HAD SEEN THE PRIOR ILLUSTRATION THAT HAD A RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK AND EXTENSION OF THE LIBRARY AND PUBLIC USES AND THE EXTENSION OF RETAIL, UM, WITH THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT AND WE'VE DONE PLENTY OF, YOU KNOW, UNDERGROUND PARCH, UH, TYPE FACILITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, PODIUM TYPE FACILITIES, UM, LOOKING AT BASICALLY THE FINANCES OF THE SITE FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FRONT OF IT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MIXES OF USE.

AND THEN THE STEP DOWN PLAN THAT YOU SEE IN TYPICAL URBAN DESIGN, STEPPING BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD, UM, WE FELT LIKE A THREE-STORY USE STEPPING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THAT, OF SOMETHING DENSE OUT ON BRAND PIKE.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT LED US TO THAT AS WELL AS STARTING TO READ INTO THE PLAN THAT WAS THERE AND STARTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD THEN BE FROM A MIXED USE EXTENDED IN OTHER BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THAT OF RAMBLING.

AND THAT'S, WHAT'S KIND OF LED THIS ENTIRE CONCEPT.

SO WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, I KNOW THERE'S, UM, SEVERAL NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, UM, SOUTH AND, UM, SOUTH NEAR CINCINNATI WESTCHESTER AREA, INCLUDING, UH, UP NEAR, UH, NORTH OF COLUMBUS THAT OFF THE MAIN DRAG THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'VE HAD, UH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY MOM AND POP SHOPS, BUT YOUR COFFEE SHOPS, YOUR SMALL EATERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I'VE EVEN SEEN ONE, A ONE COMMUNITY.

AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IT, UH, UM, PAST 70 EVEN NOW, UM, WHERE THEY'VE DONE LIKE A BUSINESS INCUBATOR, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT STYLE LIVING AND WE ARE TALKING WAY OFF THE MAIN DRAG, HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN, BECOME A DESTINATION.

UM, IS ANY OF THAT STILL IN CONSIDERATION THAT COULD BE CHANGED IN THAT AREA? UM, BECAUSE THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I BELIEVE IT IS THE VISION OF SOME TO EVENTUALLY HAVE THAT ROUNDABOUT ROAD THAT CURRENTLY GOES TO NOWHERE TO EVENTUALLY GO SOMEWHERE.

SO IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING PEOPLE OFF OF AN ADDITIONAL MAIN THOROUGHFARE INTO THAT APARTMENT COMMUNITY INTO THE MIDDLE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IN MY OPINION, WHEN NOW MAKE THAT A DESIRABLE LOCATION SO I CAN GET THIS ON AGAIN.

UM, FOR US, THIS ROAD'S POTENTIAL TO LEAD UP HERE IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE OF A COMMERCIAL CENTER.

VERY COMPELLING, VERY GOOD.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AND I BELIEVE AS BRIAN WAS SAYING, WE'VE BEEN REALLY WORKING BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THIS WANTS TO BE.

AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE SOURCE OF THAT BY ANY MEANS ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE COMMENTARY,

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AND I SAY FOR US, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO BACKED BY THE STUDY AND THE SENSE OF THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG THEORY OF YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE SPENDABLE INCOME TO BE ABLE TO THEN HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL WITH THE MONEY ALREADY COMMITTED TO BE PUT INTO HERE, AND THEN MORE MIXED USE HERE.

AND THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 12,000 SQUARE FOOT RIGHT THERE, WHICH COULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE RESTAURANTS VERSUS WHAT'S BUILT THERE TODAY WAS RELATIVELY LOW CEILING VERSUS WHAT LIKE RESTAURANT WOULD WANT RIGHT NOW, THIS, TO ME IN LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL AS HERE, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE PUBLIC BUILDING, WHICH WE HAVE HERE NOW, AND A PARK THAT IS TREMENDOUS MIXED USE AS YOU SPEAK OF THE OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE, UH, I THINK OF ONE THAT HAS A, UH, OH, UH, A RUSTIC BUCKET AS A PART OF IT, RIGHT.

OR AN EMPTY IF WE HAVE A COMPETITOR IN COLUMBUS, UM, LIVESTOCK COMMUNITIES WHO RUNS THEIR OWN RESTAURANT, UH, GOAT, RIGHT.

AND THEY ARE INWARD SPEAKING STRICTLY JUST TO THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THOSE TYPES OF GROUPS, THAT TYPE OF GROUP, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT INWARD SPEAKING IS THE RIGHT THING HERE.

AND IT MIGHT JUST BE A PREFERENCE OR A PERSONAL OPINION.

BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO FACILITATE RESIDENCES THAT GET OUT INTO THE AREA, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE PART OF THEIR RESIDENTS.

YOU WANT THE RESIDENTS TO BE PART OF THE AREA.

SO THAT WAS REALLY SORT OF OUR CHARCOAL IS THAT THE COMMERCE AROUND THE SITE GETS UTILIZED NOT WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.

THAT'S ALL I HAVEN'T JUST DONE.

UH, RICHARD, I HAD THE SAME CONCERN YOU DID.

AND I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

AND JUST RECENTLY, WHAT HAS DAWNED ON ME IS WE HAVE 30 PLUS THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD PUT ANY MORE AS A BASE TO AN APARTMENT.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I MEAN, THAT THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RETAIL FOR A PROJECT THIS SIZE AS A NON, UH, OF THIS SIZE BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS WE'RE BRINGING.

I WOULDN'T SAY I, I THINK IT'S AN EXCESS POTENTIALLY JUST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USER THAT WE'RE PROVIDING NOW WILL THE BENEFIT AS THEIR RESIDENTS ALL AROUND.

BUT YEAH, WE WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D INTRODUCE, EVEN THOUGH A COUPLE OF, I SPEAK OF LIKE WITHIN 192 UNITS, THEY'RE ONLY PUTTING FORTH FIVE TO 6,000 MAX AND PUTTING A GOOD FACE ON THIS GLASS HALF FULL.

THIS IS A TREMENDOUS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PRIVATE PUBLIC HOUSING, RETAIL, POTENTIAL RESTAURANT, AND THEN OUR SHOW PIECE, THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MEDICAL IS ANOTHER COMPONENT.

ANITA AND ANITA, UH, REPRESENTS THE WARD THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTS LIVE IN, THAT YOUR APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE NEXT TO.

AND, AND I THINK WHERE THIS GOES IN THE FUTURE AND, AND BRIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO SOON, BUT THIS IS NOT WHERE THE REDEVELOPMENT STOPS, THIS, WHERE IT STARTS.

I HOPE.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH.

SO WE, UM, TO THE POINT THAT MATT HAD MADE TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, THIS IS THE START, AT LEAST FROM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS THE START OF SOMETHING BIGGER.

AND SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE BEGIN HERE TO CARRY TO THE NORTH ONTO, UM, ONTO, UM, OR THE HUBER CENTER PROPERTY, UH, AND WORK THAT WAY.

AND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT BEING MORE THAN JUST THIS SITE, UH, THE LEGISLATION THAT STAFF'S PREPARED, UM, IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS PLAN, COMPELS ADDITIONAL ACTION TO THE NORTH END TO FACILITATE SOME OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE DESIRED ON THIS SIDE, BUT JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF MASS, BECAUSE OF DENSITY, BECAUSE OF WHATEVER VARIETY OF REASONS CAN OCCUR ON THIS SITE.

UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF THESE NEW UNITS, WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS INVESTMENT, UH, FROM THE CITY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CARRY OVER ON, UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, TO THE HUBER CENTER, UH, AND BRING IN GREATER FOCUS.

SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS, NOT SO MUCH RESIDENTIAL, MAYBE SOME, BUT NOT AS MUCH, UM, TO CONTINUE TO FACILITATE, UH, COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE NORTH.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, OH, YES, IF I CAN FINISH IT, UH, THE FIRST COUNCIL MEMBER THAT REACHED OUT TO ME, IF I CAN SPEAK IS, UH,

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AND HER AND I SHARED THE OPINION THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APARTMENTS WERE AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE AND THAT THEY WERE BUFFERED PROPERLY AND HAVING SOME EXPERIENCE BUFFERING AND ELIMINATING THE ENCROACHMENT OF ONE NEW PROJECT TO EXISTING MY HATS OFF TO YOU.

THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

UM, ALSO, UH, GLEN OTTO AND I TRIED SOMETHING NEW AND THAT WAS WORKING TOGETHER AND WHEN HAD REACHED OUT TO ME, UH, SOME WEEKS AGO AND, UH, WE WE'VE MET PRIVATELY, WE'VE MET, UH, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

UM, AND, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE EFFORTS HAVE PAID OFF AND THE PARK AREA AND THE WATER FEATURE I THINK IS INCORPORATED QUITE WELL.

FRANK, COULD YOU GO TO THAT PLAN REAL QUICK, THE NEW PLAN? SO IF I MAY, AND, AND THANK YOU, I, I COULDN'T POSSIBLY TELL YOU HOW EXCITED WE ARE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE LEVITY OF IT, THIS INTERRUPT YOU.

BELIEFS, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE EXCITED, WE'VE TAKEN THE OLDEST PART OF TOWN TO IS DYING RETAIL STRIPS, AND THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO COME BACK TO LIFE.

THIS COUNCIL HAD THE VISION AND THE STRENGTH ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTS TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY.

WE'RE GOING TO BREATHE NEW LIFE IN THIS.

AND I AM UTTERLY AMAZED THAT SOMEONE CALIBER IN YOUR COMPANY'S REPUTATION IS WILLING TO PUT $40 MILLION INTO SOME OF THE OLDEST PROPERTY IN YOUR BAR HEIGHTS.

I CAN'T WAIT.

THANK YOU TO FINISH MY STATEMENT.

IT WAS JUST SIMPLY THIS, THE ENTIRE STRETCH CAN BE COMPLETELY TRANSFORMATION.

EVERY TOWN USA IS GOING THROUGH THIS EVERY MINUTE WHEN I COME TO GLEN AND THEN WE'LL GO NANCY, THEN RICHARD.

I JUST LIKE TO JUMP OUT.

AND AS, AS MR. CAMPBELL HAD STATED, YOU KNOW, I'VE MET WITH HIM AND MET WITH, UH, WITH BRIAN AS WELL.

AND, UH, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND IN PLACE WITH THE PARK PIECE AND A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT.

UM, I THINK IT CERTAINLY SPEAKS TO THE GENERAL FEEL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, DONE WELL.

IT WILL PULL IN AREAS AROUND IT TO MAKE CHANGES AS WELL.

AND I THINK WE'LL SEE SYNERGY COME FROM IT, IF DONE.

UM, I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO ACCOMMODATE THESE THINGS.

AND, UM, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING OUT SOME, SOME BETTER DRAWINGS, SO OTHERS CAN SEE THIS VISION A LITTLE CLEARER AS WELL.

SO, CAUSE I KNOW THIS DOESN'T REALLY SHOW IT AS PRETTY AND CLEAN AS IT, AS IT COULD.

AND THEN I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BEING OUT THERE AND MIND YOU, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW ALREADY, I'VE BEEN A BIG, I'VE BEEN THE BIG STICKLER ON DOING THIS.

FEET MINIMUM FROM OTHER BUILDINGS AND PUTTING A CONTINUOUS EVERGREEN, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN THE WINTERTIME SOUND OFTEN BOUNCES QUICKER MORE SO TO KEEP THAT GREEN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO, UM, I THINK IT SOUNDS A LOT TO SAY, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU ANYTHING, UH, AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEX UP THERE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE LIKE A BOX IN A BOX IN THE MIDDLE LOWER LIP? UM, ARE YOU SPEAKING HERE? YES, THAT IS IN FACT, A ONE STORY CLUBHOUSE WITH A POOL, UM, FITNESS CENTER THAT COMES OUT HERE, UM, CLUB ROOM, LEASING CENTER, AND THEN MAINTENANCE TRY TO KEEP ALL OF OUR MAINTENANCE INSIDE.

RICHARD.

I LIKED I'M GOING TO, UH, GO TO ANITA AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.

I EXPECTED RICHARD NEXT.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE THE NEGATIVE PERSON.

THIS IS MY BOARD.

UM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT SOUND? I WOULD BE FURIOUS IF I HAD 325 APARTMENTS GOING AGAINST MY HOUSE WITH THE SOUND, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO BUFFER THE SALE? SO I THINK THE DISTANCE, AND THEN ALSO THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE EVERGREEN TREES AND THAT THEY'RE HIGHER, THEY'RE MOUNTED IS GOING TO HELP THAT SIGNIFICANTLY.

UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FRANKLY THE RESPONSES TO THE SOUND.

UM, IT IS RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THESE HOUSES THAT THE EXISTING HOUSES ARE 10 FEET FROM ONE ANOTHER.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR EACH OTHER BEFORE THEY HEAR ANY OF THIS, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF NUMBER OF UNITS OR HOUSES OR ANYTHING INCREASING THE POTENTIAL TO BE A SOUND.

UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR A MANAGEMENT COMPANY BECAUSE WE ALSO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE, UM, TO REALLY MANAGE TO NUISANCES.

WE DO HAVE A NUISANCE COMPONENT OF OUR LEASE AND THAT GOES WITH WARNINGS AND PENALTIES, UM, FROM A MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT.

BUT IN ESSENCE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT MOVING THESE THINGS 140

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I JUST REMEMBER EVERGREEN TOOK FOREVER TO GET TO A POINT TO BLOCK ANYTHING.

SO THAT'S ME.

THE OTHER THING IS, OKAY, SO THE GARAGES, SO PART OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE COVERED.

PART OF THEM'S NOT, NO, WE'VE ONLY GOT THREE GARAGE BUILDINGS.

IS THERE EIGHT, EIGHT GARAGES EACH AND THEY ARE IN FACT FULLY COVERED AND THEY HAVE GARAGE DOORS THEY'RE FULL BALD.

SO YOU WILL HAVE WHOMEVER RENTS.

THOSE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE, SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITHIN THOSE THREE BUILDINGS.

SO THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE PARKING SPACES BACK THERE THAT DON'T HAVE GARAGES.

I MEAN, CAN THAT BE REDONE? I MEAN, WE SAT HERE ON COUNCIL AND GRIPED ABOUT POTENTIAL LIGHTS GOING IN TO CARRIAGE TRAIL FOR A STORAGE UNIT AT 10:00 PM AND TO SOME ONE RESIDENT'S HOUSE.

I MEAN, UNTIL THESE GET TALL, THESE TREES, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE LIGHTS GOING INTO RESIDENTS' HOMES, THE FIVE FOOT TALL MOUND THERE, AS WELL AS THE, AS WELL AS THE FENCE, THE CONTINUOUS FENCE.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS.

THAT WAS THE EXACT PURPOSE FOR THAT.

I MEAN, I'M TALKING TO RESIDENTS, YOU HAD FOR MY RESIDENTS, AREN'T HAPPY.

I MEAN, I'LL BE REAL HONEST.

THEY'RE NOT HAPPY.

WE HAD 75 BETWEEN PETITIONS AND EMAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I'M PROBABLY A NO VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THEIR BACKLOG.

I APPRECIATE IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT I REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS.

RICHARD, THANK YOU, MIRROR.

I'M MATT.

I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN COMPROMISE.

AND WHEN THIS, WHEN THE FIRST CONCEPT DRAWING DETAILED OR WHATEVER, WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT WHEN THE FIRST ART WHERE IT CAME OUT ON THAT, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF GRUMBLING, UH, THINGS JUST DIDN'T MATCH UP TO WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IN THE BRAND PIKE, REVITALIZATION, PLAY IT TO KICKOFF, UH, THINGS.

UM, I WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR COMPROMISE AND WORKING WITH THIS AND, UH, UM, AND THE GREAT WORK AND DISCUSSIONS THAT CAME OUT OF, UH, UM, WHAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBER CAMPBELL AND COUNCILMAN MORADO AND OUR CITY MANAGER.

UM, IT SEEMED LIKE, UM, COMPROMISE FROM ALL SIDES OF COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THE UPDATED INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY MET, ALL EIGHT ITEMS AND THE RECOMMENDATION LIST, I'M EXCITED TO, AS MR. OTTO HAD STATED TO SEE THE ADDITIONAL ARTWORK, UM, UNDERSTAND I WASN'T GOING TO GET EVERYTHING I ASKED FOR IN HERE.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT I'M SEEING, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I, I DO PLAN ON SUPPORTING THOSE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MA'AM THANKS, RICHARD.

SO I, UM, A LONG TIME AGO, IT WAS IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS AND DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, AND THERE WAS A, YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR.

THERE'S A GREEN BOOK REALLY, REALLY THICK CALLED THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT BOOK AND MANUAL.

AND IN THAT BOOK, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE READ THAT.

UM, WHAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IS THAT COMMERCIAL FOLLOWS ROOFTOPS, ROOFTOPS DON'T FOLLOW COMMERCIAL THAT IS KNOWN ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

SO WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, BRIAN HAD, HAD DONE A STUDY IN THE PRESENTATION A WHILE BACK, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT PRESENTATION, KIND OF WITH THE SPACE THAT IT IS NOW, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES WOULD BE, WOULD COME THERE BASED ON WHAT IT IS.

AND I THINK AT THAT TRAILER TIME, ALL IT WAS WAS MAYBE MORE, ANOTHER DOLLAR STORE OR AN OFF-BRAND NAME.

I FORGET SOME OF THE NAMES, SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY GENERATE A LOT OF, UH, OTHER RETAIL BUSINESS THAT WE DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE IN THE CITY.

IT DIDN'T REALLY GENERATE ANY TYPE OF, UM, RESTAURANTS OR, OR EATING LOCATIONS THAT WE ALREADY KIND OF DIDN'T HAVE THAT WASN'T FAST FOOD.

SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU DON'T BUILD A STRIP CENTER AND THEN EXPECT PEOPLE TO MOVE TO THE STRIP CENTER, BUT YOU BUILD THE ROOFTOPS, YOU BUILT THE RESIDENCES, YOU GIVE PEOPLE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWS THE ROOFTOPS.

SO I THINK IF ANY, AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS AS A, AS AN ENTIRE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE POTENTIAL TO, UH, WHAT WOULD LATER BE THE HUBRIS CENTER? WHAT WE KNOW 1000% IS THAT IT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO GENERATE THE INTEREST OF A BUSINESS OWNER, BUSINESS OWNERS WANT TO GO WHERE THEY HAVE CUSTOMERS, AND THAT'S WHY THE COMMERCIAL FOLLOWS ROOFTOPS, NOT, NOT THE

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OTHER WAY AROUND.

UM, AND, AND I WOULD LOOK AT IT AND I WOULD SAY THIS AND I'D EVER MISSED.

BRIAN, I THINK WAS VERY POLITE WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT MEANS IN TERMS OF, UH, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS, HAS INVESTED NOW, UH, MS. KITCHEN, WASN'T ON COUNCIL WHEN, WHEN WE ACQUIRED THIS LAND.

SO SHE WASN'T PART OF THE VOTE TO SPEND THE $10 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WE SPENT TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY.

SO SHE CERTAINLY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT THAN, THAN SOME OF THE REST OF US, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS COUNCIL VOTED YES, TO SPEND $10 MILLION TAXPAYER MONEY TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, TO ACQUIRE THE RETAIL PROPERTY IN THE FRONT AND LOOKING AT A $40 MILLION INVESTMENT FROM A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

AND I WILL, I WILL SAY THIS.

AND WE GOT, I WAS AROUND, THERE WAS A DIAMOND VIDEO IN THAT MARION MEADOWS.

AND WE WERE, OUR MEMBERSHIP WAS NUMBER SEVEN AND THE DIAMOND VIDEO AT MARRIED MEADOWS.

AND THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE BEEN GOING TO THAT PARTICULAR SHOPPING CENTER.

AND GUESS WHAT? 40 YEARS AGO, I'M 50 NOW, 40 YEARS AGO.

IT LOOKED JUST LIKE IT DID THE DAY WE TORE IT DOWN.

SO WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS OF COUNCIL AND AS A CITY ABOUT REDEVELOPING BRANDT PIKE AND THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY.

AND I THINK THE $10 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL MADE TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY WAS US STATING VERY CLEARLY.

WE WANT AND WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY, WHY IS ALL THE MONEY GOING NORTH? WHY IS ALL THE MONEY BEING SPENT ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF TOWN, NORTH OF 70? WHY AREN'T WE SPENDING MONEY SOUTH? WE'VE MADE THE COMMITMENT.

WE MADE THE DECISION TO SPEND MONEY SOUTH TO THE TUNE OF $10 MILLION.

AND I THINK THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO RECOUP THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND, UH, AND, AND A $40 MILLION INVESTMENT COMING BACK AND WITH, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN SAID AND THE DESIGN AND THE UPDATE.

UM, AND YES, GLENN HAS BEEN A BIG STICKLER TO USE HIS WORD, TO HEAR HIM SAY THAT HE IS, UM, LIKING THIS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN HAD SHOWN.

UH, I THINK THAT SAYS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT YOUR DESIRE TO SEE HERE IS.

SO I WOULD ECHO WHAT RICHARD SAID, WHAT GLEN HAS SEVEN, AND THEY'RE NOT HERE NOW, BUT, UM, THANK YOU.

THIS IS, UH, I THINK A FANTASTIC COMPROMISE OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN.

AND I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO SAY, YES, WE ACTED.

WE SPENT THE MONEY AND WE'VE MADE THE DECISION TO DEVELOP THIS IN A WAY THAT WE CAN RECOUP THAT TAXPAYER MONEY, BECAUSE BRIAN, YOU DIDN'T SAY IT, BUT IF, IF WE DON'T GET OUR $10 MILLION BACK OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG HIT TO THIS COMMUNITY, UM, TO THE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ON THIS.

AND I WOULD FURTHER SAY THAT IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED AND REDONE PRIOR TO COUNCIL'S INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.

WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN, BUT WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.

AND NOW AT THE FORUM, I KNOW OF THE, OF THE CRA'S ARE THERE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE TO DO.

UH, THIS REALLY IS A PROJECT THAT HIGHLIGHTS AND SHOWCASES HOW A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT CAN WORK WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY, UH, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF EVERYBODY TO REALLY REDEVELOP THE CITY.

AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, I MEAN, THIS ISN'T JUST SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN, YOU KNOW, IN NEW BRIDES, THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

YOU HAVE OLDER COMMUNITIES, OLDER AREAS WHO NEED SOME TYPE OF SPARK.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD ECHO WHAT THEY HAVE SAID, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.

UH, FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.

THERE'S ABOUT 10 MILLION UP NANCY.

ARE VERY RELIEVED TO SEE IT TORN DOWN.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT TO MS. KITCHEN.

UM, I USED TO BE THE WARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR WARD FIVE, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A INHERENT NEED OR DESIRE TO PROTECT OUR PERSPECTIVE RESIDENTS IN THAT WARD.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS A CITY-WIDE, UH, BENEFIT.

AND SO THEN OUR FOCUS VERY OFTEN SHIFTS FROM PROTECTING, UM, LISTENING, BUT PROTECTING OUR RESPECTIVE RESIDENTS TO CONVINCING THEM WHY, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF NOT ONLY THEM, BUT OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

AND I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT SITTING UP HERE THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED AROUND MARION MEADOWS FOR ALL THESE YEARS

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AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN THE PROJECT IS DONE, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT NOT ONLY WILL THEY, BUT THE WHOLE CITY IS GOING TO BE AMAZED AT THE TRANSFORMATION AND IT IS OUR JOB TO HIGHLIGHT THE BENEFITS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TONIGHT AND SHARE IT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONCERNS IN YOUR WARD AND, AND GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS REALLY IS GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER, I GUESS? OKAY.

THANK YOU, MARY.

HI, MATT.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME IN THE 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY UNITS WILL THERE BE 135? WILL IT BE MULTILEVELS OF CARE THERE? NO, THIS IS SENIOR LIVING ONLY.

THAT IS CORRECT.

NOW OUR, OUR HSL MODEL HAS WITHIN IT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF WHAT WE CALL IT INTERNAL VILLAGE.

SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY SET UP TO BE TO LOOK LIKE STOREFRONTS.

UM, BUT THERE'S NO ACUTE CARE.

IF THERE'S NO MEDICAL CARE, WE DO HAVE, UM, WHEN WE INVITE A MEDICAL USER IN TO USE OUR WELLNESS ROOM AND THEY'LL DO ANYTHING FROM, UM, WELL CHECKS TO, OR IF A RESIDENT NEEDS TO HAVE A DOCTOR COME, THEY HAVE A SPOT TO BE ABLE TO BE WITHIN THE BUILDING.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S A SALON.

THERE'S A GAME ROOM, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP, A MARKET, JUST A REAL NICE, HILARIOUS, BUT THIS IS JUST INDEPENDENT LIVING.

WILL THERE BE ANY PHYSICAL THERAPY AVAILABLE TO THE PATIENTS? WHAT IF THEY WANT IT TO THEY'RE AT THE EDGE OF CILLIN DEPENDENT, BUT THEY STILL NEED SOME CARE.

WHAT IF THEY HAD CAREGIVERS COME IN? WOULD THAT STILL BE ACCEPTABLE? THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.

IN FACT, WE HAVE NOT ONLY THEIR RE THEIR OWN RESIDENTS WITHIN, BUT ALSO THAT WELLNESS ROOM, IF THEY WERE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN.

SO 135 UNITS.

I KNOW WHEN MY MOM WASN'T A FACILITY, THREE OF HER ADULT CHILDREN WERE THERE TO VISIT WITH HER AND REMEMBER GRANDCHILDREN ALSO.

SO THAT'S SIX PARKING SPACES.

SO I WOULD, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE PARKING ISN'T ENOUGH BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES AND THE FAMILY.

THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THIS LOOKS GREAT THOUGH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, DON, AND JUST, JUST A LITTLE WRAP UP.

IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD ON THIS, AND, UM, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE WORKING WITH COUNSEL, WORKING WITH STAFF, LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, ISSUES, SOME MASSIVE CHANGES AND LIKE COUNSELING WITH CAMPBELL.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.

RELOCATING THE BUILDINGS, MOVING THINGS AWAY, THE BUFFERING, UM, UM, EVEN EXCITED AS I LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE I CONSIDER THIS TO BE A KEYSTONE OF WHAT WE ALL SEE AS BRANT PIE REDEVELOPMENT.

SO WITH THIS KEYSTONE, AS I LOOK TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE ROAD HEADING NORTH INTO HUBER CENTER, I MIGHT CALL THAT REVITALIZATION ROAD.

THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING TO ME BECAUSE IT WILL TIE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH HUBER CENTER THAT WE ALL REALIZE ME.

IT'S A LOT OF LOVE, UM, UH, APPLAUD YOU.

I THINK THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN IS EXCELLENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IT'S MARKED BY ONE LAST COMMENT? YES.

I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH BRIAN, CHAD KOSKI NOW FOR A YEAR PLUS, AND MAYBE YOU COULD AGREE THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT BRIAN.

I CAN TELL YOU STORIES THAT BACK THEN.

UM, WHEN WE FIRST CAME TO THIS COMMUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT IN OUR SENIOR PROPERTY CLOSURES, YOU NEED IT HERE.

IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BIGGER, OPENS THE DOOR THAT SAID, UM, HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR.

WE HAVE PARTICULAR THINGS THAT WE, AS A CITY HAVE TAKEN ON THE MORE DEVELOPMENT MINDSET.

WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS FOR THE RIGHT DEVELOPERS THAT SHARE IN OUR VISION.

SO IN THE TIMES I'VE WORKED WITH BRIAN ON THIS PROJECT, BY MYSELF, WITH ANITA, WITH GLEN, UH, WITH THE MAYOR, UM, HE'S BEEN PATIENT HE'S BEEN PROFESSIONAL, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING ANYONE'S BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT YOU HAVEN'T PROVIDED SOME OPTION OR ALTERNATIVE TO.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU THAT YOU, YOU WERE DEFINITELY THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE HERE FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU TOO, MATT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

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ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING GLENN? YEP.

REAL QUICK.

CAN I RECOMMEND IT? SEE, I TOLD THEM MAYBE NINE O'CLOCK RECESS.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING A LITTLE HANDSY.

I CAN GET SOME MOVEMENT.

WHAT'S HERE FOR THREE HOURS OR WE GET RESOLUTION ON THIS AND IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS YET, THEN WE CAN HAVE A RECESS UNTIL NINE, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY.

THAT'S WHERE IT'LL BE.

AND IT'S 8 52 WE'LL RECESS UNTIL 9:00 PM.

ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH HAS CASE M J C 22 DASH 27, RICHLY ARCHITECTS, BASIC DETAILED DEVELOP PLANS FOR 5,400 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

HE JUST HAD, YOU HAD SOME KIND OF AGAINST, OKAY.

IT'S NOW 9 0 1.

AND, UH, WE'VE COME BACK FROM A BRIEF RECESS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.

THE NEXT ITEM

[ Case MJC 22-27 - Ruetschle Architects - Basic/Detailed Development Plans - 5400 Chambersburg Road]

UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS DEALS WITH THE REZONING FOR SOME ISSUES ON WAY IN HIGH SCHOOL, UH, THE SCHOOLS WHERE MY EMPLOYER, SO I WON'T PARTICIPATE IN THIS DISCUSSION AND IF THERE'S ANY VOTE TAKEN, UH, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, THEN I WOULD RECUSE MYSELF AND I'LL THAN THE BACK ROOM.

BUT FOR THAT CASE THEN, UH, MR. CAMPBELL WAS THE VICE AND REPEATEDLY THIS DISCUSSION, UH, JUST FOR NOW ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE ITEM THREE K.

HAS BEEN COME FORWARD, GIVE A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, FINAL NOTES FROM THE PLANNER WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT, UH, INCLUDE, UH, THAT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD NO CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT AND THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED AND ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANY INSTRUCTIONS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WHEN I CALL ON BRIAN, YES, BRIAN, WOULD YOU SPEAK TO THIS? SURE.

MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIR.

UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS SUBMITTED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS SUBMITTED, UH, A MAJOR CHANGE FOR, UH, THE, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL PROPERTY, BOTH, UH, TO THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE PURPOSES OF ADDING ONTO THE BUILDING FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, TEXTILE, UH, TEACHING, UH, FACILITIES, UH, LABS, IF YOU WILL.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS 47 ACRES, UH, IN TOTAL, UH, ITS OWN, UH, PLAN PUBLIC PRIVATE.

UH, IT IS OBVIOUSLY USED FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, AND THE ADJACENT USES ARE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, UH, AND, UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

THE CURRENT BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2009.

UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS A, UH, REQUEST TO AMEND THE PLAN TO ADD, UH, NEARLY, UH, 11,600 SQUARE FEET OF CAREER TECHNOLOGY SPACE.

UM, ADJACENT TO THE ADDITIONAL LABORATORY SPACE IN QUESTION WILL BE, OR IS CURRENTLY, UH, UTILIZED FOR 26 PARKING SPACES.

UH, THIS IS, UH, A LAYOUT OF THE SITE.

UH, THE AREA FOR THE ADDITION IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE WITH THE ORANGE AREAS, THE ORANGE TO GREEN ARROW, EXCUSE ME, UH, CLOSER UP ON THE SITE.

UH, THIS IS THE STATIC, UH, DRAWING OF WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE NOW.

UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A CONFIGURATION OF BUSING RIGHT HERE BEHIND THE AUDITORIUM.

AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE ACTUAL AERIAL VIEW.

UH, SO THIS HAS NOW BEEN CONVERTED FOR A, WHAT APPEARS TO BE PARKING PURPOSES AS WELL AS A PRACTICE OR A MARCHING BAND.

UM, THIS SITE, UH, WOULD NOW BE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED STATE SPACE RUNNING, UH, PARALLEL TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, UH, ON THE BACKSIDE WITH A RECONFIGURATION OF PARKING, UH, THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, AS YOU'LL NOTE FROM, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE RIGHT HERE, UM, WILL BE LINKED WITH THIS CANOPY, UH, PEDESTRIAN COVERED CANOPY, UH, AND CONCEPT PROFILE.

THIS IS WHAT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM SIDE, UH, THIS TOP HALF OF THIS SLIDE, THIS WOULD BE THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION WALL, UH, OF THOSE, UH, TECHNOLOGY LABS OF THIS, UH, TECHNOLOGY FACILITIES.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, OVERHEAD VIEW OF THOSE PARTICULAR LABS.

I BELIEVE ONE IS WELDING.

UH, ONE IS CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND, UH, IT ALLUDES ME WHAT, UH, UH, THIS THIRD LAB IS, BUT, UH, AGAIN, UM, UH, TEACHING SPACE, UM, THE, UH, PROPOSED USE CONFORMS WITH ALL THE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AGAIN, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING, UH, THE SITE IS SOMEWHAT OVERPOPULATED.

UM, IF YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT, UH, THE PARKING INCLUDES, UH, FOR FOOTBALL GAMES, SO DURING REGULAR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, THE SITE IS MORE THAN APPROPRIATE PARKING, UH, AND THEREFORE THE REDUCTION OF 26 SPACES, UH, FOR THE ACCOMMODATION OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY IS NOW ONE THAT CONCERNS STAFF, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, UH, WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT ARE MET, UH, AND RECOMMENDS THAT, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED THE BASIC, UH, AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS PART OF THIS MIDDLE.

UH, THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS WHICH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT BEING CODE COMPLIANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, AS WELL AS ANY ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS

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AND SO IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT THAT COUNCIL WAIVE THE FIRST AND SECOND READING, ALLOWING FOR THE REFERENDUM PROVISION, UH, SO THAT THIS PROJECT CAN ADVANCE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE FACILITIES.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL? KATE, THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

BRIAN, CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THEY WANT TO START CONSTRUCTION? UH, LAST WEEK AS MY UNDERSTANDING, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT ANYONE ELSE, GLENN, HOW'D YOU SAY THIS IS SUPER EXCITING.

I THINK DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST CONCERNING THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, I'VE BEEN WELL-RECEIVED AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CHECKING IT OUT.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME.

IF THIS IS ON MONDAY'S AGENDA, SEE NO OPPOSITION TO THAT.

IT'LL BE ON MONDAY AND AGAIN, UH, BRIAN, THEY WANT TO WAIVE THIS FIRST AND SECOND OR SECOND READING.

ALL RIGHT, JEFF, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MARK.

[ Water Main Replacement Program]

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE COMPELLED TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

SO WE'LL START THE DISCUSSION HERE.

BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA LEAD THE DISCUSSION OR JUST KIND OF OPEN IT UP AND THEN WE'LL GET THE QUESTIONS? UH, I, I, TO THE EXTENT THAT I CAN LEAD THE DISCUSSION, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE TOGETHER, UH, THAT, UH, OF THE FIVE STREETS OR OF THE FIVE SECTIONS OF WATER MAIN THAT WERE SCHEDULED TO BE REPLACED IN 2022.

UH, THAT BASED ON THE FUNDS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, UH, STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY ONLY RECOMMENDED THREE, AND THAT WAS THE LEGISLATION THAT WE HAD SENT FORWARD.

UH, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, AT COUNCIL, UH, IN THE WORK SESSION, UH, REGARDING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. ONE OF THOSE BEING THE ASSIGNMENT OF ARPA FUNDS AND MONIES AVAILABLE WITHIN THE, UH, THE WATER FUND SPENDABLE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE WATER FUND.

SO BASED ON THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND DISSEMINATED TO COUNCIL, UH, THERE WAS SUFFICIENT FUNDS RELATIVE TO ARBA, UH, THAT WE GET ADD, UH, ONE OF THE TWO REMAINING WATER MAIN PROJECTS FROM 2022.

SO I'VE ASKED THE ENGINEER TO PREPARE A CRUX EATON TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, IN LEGISLATION TO ADD THAT MAKING FOR, OF, UH, FOR THE FIVE PROJECTS AVAILABLE, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION OR RECONSTRUCTION, I SHOULD SAY, UH, IN 2022, THE IDEA BEING THAT, UH, THE OTHER PROJECT TOMBERG, WHICH IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE PROJECT, UH, FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OR THE ESTIMATE OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EXCEED THE AVAILABLE FUNDS, UH, THAT ARE UNALLOCATED THE UNALLOCATED ARPA FUNDS.

UH, THE IDEA BEING THAT, UH, WITH, UH, THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT ADVANCING, UH, PROVIDED CONTINGENCY FUNDS ARE NOT NEEDED, UH, AS WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE WITH THE REMAINING AN ALLOCATED FUND BALANCE MINUS THE TRUXTON PROJECT, UH, WE COULD INCLUDE THAT FIFTH SECTION AS PART OF A LARGER 20, 23 PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS GOT DONE AS QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS WE COULD.

SO THAT IS WHAT I CAN SHARE WITH COUNCIL AS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD AND THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT WERE ASKED BY COUNSEL AT THE LAST WORK SESSION AND HOW WE INTERPRETED THAT, UH, DIALOGUE INTO ACTION.

BASED ON THE DIALOGUE THAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST WORK SESSION AND WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT THAT DIALOGUE GENERATED IS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO MOVE CROXTON AND TOMBERG INTO 2023 AND USE 2023 MONEY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADD CROXTON IN 2022 USING ARPA FUNDS.

SO, UH, I NEED TO BELIEVE THIS WAS ITEM AND YOU'D TO REQUEST THAT.

SO I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO YOU.

SO ARE YOU SAYING NOW WE CAN DO SIX STREETS IN 2023, BECAUSE THERE WAS FIVE, FOUR ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR 2023.

SO ARE WE SAYING WE'RE DOING SIX IN 20, 23? WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DOING? OKAY, SO NORMALLY THE WAY WE WOULD DO IT, UM, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE PROJECTS ARE, ARE NORMALLY FUNDED.

THERE THERE'S A FUNDING TOTAL.

SO IF $1.5 MILLION GETS FIVE STREETS BASED ON WHAT WE PICK THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT GET SEVEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

IT MIGHT ONLY BE THREE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WHERE WE ARE TODAY? THE IDEA IS THAT, LET ME REPHRASE.

WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION TWO WEEKS AGO, THE SEGMENTS THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO DO IN 2022, WE WERE JUST GOING TO MAKE A PART OF THE 20, 23 PROJECT AND WHATEVER THE MONEY AVAILABLE IN 2023 COULD COVER IT WOULD COVER TOMBERG.

IT WOULD COVER CROXTON AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE WE COULD ADD

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AND DEPENDING UPON HOW ARPA ARE ARPA FUNDED PROJECTS GO INCLUDE IN CROOKSTON AND WATER MAIN EAST, WE WOULD HAVE THE REMAINING ARPA FUNDS FROM THIS YEAR ADDED TO THE ONGOING $1.5 MILLION IN 2023.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TOM BERG DONE IN 2023 WITH THE MONEY, FROM WHATEVER MONEY'S REMAINED.

PLUS THE 1.5 MILLION TO ADDRESS WATER MAIN BREAK OR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT IN 2023.

NOW THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIST OF STREETS ARE IN 2023.

SO IT MIGHT BE TWO, IT MIGHT BE 11.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

THAT WOULD BE INFORMATION THAT WOULD COME FROM THE ENGINEER'S OFFICE BASED ON BREAK HISTORY.

BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET AS MANY DONE TODAY WITH THE DOLLARS AVAILABLE TODAY AND WHATEVER DOLLARS WE DON'T USE THROUGH THIS YEAR, WE WILL PUT TOWARDS ADDITIONAL, IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL MONEY PUT INTO 20, 23 TO GET THAT WORK DONE AS WELL.

AND JUST KIND OF ON THE RECORD, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THE SUPPLIES ARE TAKING TO GET AN, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT FOR THE RECORD? THE IDEA IS THAT WITH THE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD COME FORWARD TO AUTHORIZE THE CRUX TO END PROJECT, THAT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS BEHIND.

WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT TWO WEEK DELAY WILL IMPACT THE DELIVERY.

UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL THREE PROJECTS WE HAVE ALREADY HAD AT THE STAFF LEVEL WE'VE ALREADY HAD, IF WE KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR MAINS ARE EXERCISE, THEN LET'S JUST START ORDERING PIPE TODAY.

WE DON'T CARE WHAT STREET IS GOING TO GO ON, BUT WE KNOW THAT 80% OF OUR PIPE IS SIX INCH.

WE KNOW THAT 40% OF IT'S FOUR INCH, WHATEVER THE ENGINEER HAS IT, WE WOULD JUST START ORDERING THAT PIPE TODAY IN ADVANCE, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THIS COMMUNITY HAS DONE BEFORE.

I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE MAJORITY OF COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE BEFORE.

NORMALLY YOU WOULD ORDER THAT PIPE ON THE, THE CONTRACTOR WOULD NORMALLY ORDER THAT PIPE.

AND SO THAT'S ALL PROCESSED THROUGH THE CONTRACTOR.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT NOW, IS, WILL THE PIPE MANUFACTURER HOLD THAT ON CREDIT FOR US? DO WE HAVE TO PREPAY IF WE HAVE TO PRE-PAY CAN THAT PIPE SIT THERE AT THE MANUFACTURERS? DO WE HAVE TO BRING IT HERE AND STORE IT HERE? SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE LOGISTICAL ISSUES, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT ONCE WE GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE LOGISTICAL ISSUES, WE CAN JUST START ORDERING PIPE.

I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S HALF OF WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY USE, AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME PRODUCT HERE TO START THESE PROJECTS SOONER.

SO WE'RE NOT FINDING OURSELVES DELAYED AND START UNTIL LATE IN THE YEAR.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH TRUST? I JUST, IT OUT THERE CAUSE YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AND I LOVE THAT YOU THOUGHT OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS CONVERSATION STARTED, IF WE WERE IN THESE DELAYS OF THIS PIPE, YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE STREETS BASICALLY ALMOST THREE YEARS BEFORE THEY GOT REPLACED.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, LOOKING AT ORDERING THIS PIPING AHEAD, SINCE IT'S KIND OF A UNIVERSAL THING, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

CAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET, WHEN WE GET INTO THE 20, 23 BUDGET, THAT'S GOING TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE A LOT SOONER.

SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KIND OF BE AWARE OF OUR CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTION, BRIAN? YOU MENTIONED TOM BERG WAS THE ONE WE WERE GOING TO PULL BACK.

AND DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHAT THAT COST WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR TOM BURKE? UH, PUSHING 700, I THINK.

IS THE NUMBER, IS THAT CORRECT? RUSS? YEAH.

AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER FUND SOURCES AVAILABLE? UM, CAN TIF FUNDS BE USED, COULD, UM, UM, GENERAL FUND.

DO YOU USE ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO KEEP US ON THAT SCHEDULE? UM, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M SPEAKING TO PRIMARILY WARDS THREE AND FOUR BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF OUR BREAKS ARE.

MY, YOU KNOW, WHERE I LIVE IT'S WE DON'T SEE THOSE ISSUES TOO MUCH, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED WITH THOSE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF IT.

I DON'T WANT TO FALL BEHIND.

ARE OUTSIDE OF CERTAIN TIF DISTRICTS, BUT ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THOSE TIF DISTRICTS, GIVING US THE ABILITY TO PULL TEF MONEY OUT AND SPEND IN AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW.

WE'RE WAITING ON A RELIANCE.

UM, WE'RE CALLING IT A UTILITY RELIANCE STUDY, UH, AND THAT'S BEING DONE BY LJB IT'S APPROXIMATELY 90% COMPLETE THAT STUDY IS THE ONE THAT, UH, WOULD HELP US IDENTIFY WHAT UTILITIES

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SO WE'RE WAITING ON THAT STUDY TO COME IN.

UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S 90, I BELIEVE IT'S 90% COMPLETE AND I'D EXPECT US TO HAVE THAT IN THE NEXT 45 TO 60 DAYS.

UM, DO WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO, UH, PULL OUT OF UTILIZE GENERAL FUND MONIES? THE ANSWER TECHNICALLY IS YES, BUT IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL NOT UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS BASED IN PART WITH SOME OF THE INITIATIVES WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO AND HAVING THE RESOURCES WE NEED AVAILABLE TO MAKE, UM, UM, TO MAKE, LET'S SAY, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A PARCEL COMES AVAILABLE, A PARCEL COMES AVAILABLE NEXT TO HUBRIS CENTER WHERE THE, UH, TRAMPOLINE PARK IS FOR INSTANCE, UM, THAT PARCEL THE OWNER SAYS, HEY, LOOK, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SELL IT TO YOU.

I DON'T REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF YOU WANTING TO REDEVELOP IT HAVE AT IT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACQUIRE FUNDS ON A DIME THROUGH BONDING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MONEY IN RESERVE.

WE CAN FRONT, IF YOU WILL MAKE THAT PURCHASE.

AND THEN REPAY BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH RESPECT TO, UH, SENIOR CENTER, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT YOU JUST SAW, A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, YOU COULD USE THE RESOURCES AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THAT WOULD SERIOUSLY HANDICAP OUR, OUR ABILITY TO BE NIMBLE AND RESPONSIVE TO OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAME UP.

AND I KNOW THAT, UH, AND THE OTHER THING TOO, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, UM, UH, WE JUST MODIFIED OUR UTILITY RATES TO BETTER BALANCE REVENUES INTO THE WATER FUND SO THAT WE COULD BEGIN INVESTING MORE IN OUR ONGOING AND YOU WILL, UH, ANNUAL REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR PROGRAM THAN WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY.

AND IF WE'RE PATIENT, THOSE FUNDS WILL DEVELOP AND THAT CAN HELP US TO STAY ON TOP OF THESE PROJECTS, EVEN WITH THESE, THESE CAPITAL A CAPITAL.

BUT WE EVEN WITH THESE, UM, INFLATIONARY MARKUPS, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE TO COUNCIL RATHER THAN, UH, ATTEMPTING TO RAID EVERY LAST PENNY IN THE PIGGY BANK.

WE, WE NEED TO BE PATIENT DILIGENT, BUT WE NEED TO BE PATIENT AND UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I JUST, MY CONCERN IS JUST THAT I DON'T WANT US TO FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE NOW WE NEED TO NOT WANT TO, AND WE CAN'T, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, BECAUSE THINGS GET TOO OUT OF CONTROL AND WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT.

SO THANK YOU.

THERE'S STILL, I MEAN, MONEY FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, UM, I MEAN, NONE OF US WANT TO SEE WATER MAIN BREAKS.

SO THIS IS ALL AN ACTUAL REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT DURING THIS PROCESS, IF IT ON THAT PARTICULAR STREET, ON TOMBERG, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A WATER MAIN BREAK, THE FUNDS STILL EXIST AND MAKE ALL THOSE REPAIRS AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL DELIVERING WATER AND IT'S STILL WORKING PRIOR, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE GET TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY REPLACE THAT PIPE.

WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ONGOING OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND WE HAVE THE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO MAKE THOSE ONGOING OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE REPAIRS, RIGHT.

THE DANGER OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE REPAIRS WHEN AND IF A BREAK WOULD HAPPEN ON, ON TOMBERG CORRECT.

YEAR BUDGET ALONG WITH, AND THAT'S WHERE IF WE HAD THAT, IF WE HAD SUCH A I'LL CALL IT SMALL, IF WE HAD SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE ISSUE ISN'T DO WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD MAKE THE REPAIR? THE ISSUE IS, IS THE REPAIR ENGINEERED ALREADY.

HERE'S ANOTHER THOUGHT.

SO SAY WE HAVE AN EXTRA $300,000, NOT THE 700,000 FOR DOLLARS FOR TOM BURKE.

IS THERE A STREET THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT WAS THE SIXTH OR SEVENTH OR EIGHTH STREET THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY BRING IN FOR THIS YEAR AND GET THAT REPLACED? I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, ON, IN A FEW WEEKS, I'LL BE BRINGING HERE MURRAY GIRL, WHICH IS ANOTHER ONE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.

WE HAD A BREAK THERE LAST WEEK, UH, THAT ONE WAS DESIGNED ALREADY.

UH, WE DID GET ISSUE TWO FUNDING OR OPWC FUNDING, AND I'LL BE BRINGING THAT TO COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S ABOUT ABOUT $500,000 PROJECT THAT'S IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR TOO.

I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE OVERALL LIST THAT YOU, I DO HAVE TOM BURKE FOR NEXT YEAR.

WE DO HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF ALTAR THAT I'M GETTING DESIGNED NOW FOR NEXT YEAR, I WAS GOING TO DO THOSE TWO WHILE I WAS GOING TO BE CRUX THE NEXT YEAR AS THE THIRD.

AND NOW THAT'S GONE.

I CAN NOW LOOK AT TO SEE WHETHER I CAN DO ALTER AND THEN PICK THE NEXT STREET THAT WE DECIDED IS GOING TO BE HAVING THE MOST BRICKS.

SO WE COULD DESIGN ANOTHER ONE, I GUESS IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT INTO NEXT

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AND TO TAKE A, AN AMOUNT LIKE 300,000, THAT WOULD BE AN AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD PRE ENGINEER A PROJECT TODAY.

SO IF THE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THERE WERE RESIDUAL FUNDS ON A PROJECT THE ENGINEERING WOULD ALREADY BE DONE.

AND WE COULD JUST ADD THAT.

IT'S NOT JUST AN ISSUE OF HAVING MONEY AVAILABLE.

IT'S HAVING MONEY AVAILABLE FOR A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ENGINEERED AND CAN BE QUICKLY LET, YEAH, I JUST KIND OF AGREE WITH GLEN.

I WANT US TO BE AHEAD OF THIS GAME AND I KNOW IT'S PATIENCE AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, BUT I, I MEAN, I JUST, YOU WENT OVER WITH ME WATCHING THE NEIGHBORS AT HUBBARD.

I DON'T WANT THAT HAPPENING TO OTHER STREETS.

AND WE'RE IN THAT KIND OF A SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S, NONE OF US WOULD TOLERATE IT, SITTING UP HERE.

AND AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, I HAD BLIND THREE TIMES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND EVERYTHING.

I AM ON ALTERNATE.

I'M NOT ASKING ALTAR TO BE DONE BECAUSE I'M SITTING UP HERE BY ANY STRETCH, BUT IT'S IT ALL, IT REALLY PUTS A BACKSTOP TO YOUR LIVING.

AND, UM, YEAH, I JUST FEEL, WE NEED TO GIVE THESE RESIDENTS THE RESPECT OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIMARY GOALS IS PROVIDING WATER TO THESE PEOPLE.

SO I REALLY WANT TO STAY OUT OF THIS.

THANK YOU, MARY.

UM, RUSS, UM, THE, UH, STREET ON HUBBARD.

I STOPPED BY AFTER OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, UM, JERGENS WAS DOING SOMETHING, UH, AROUND THE MANHOLE COVER.

YEAH, THAT'S JOHN OCTAGONS AND THAT'S THE PAVING COMPANY.

WE HAVE THEM COME IN THIS TIME OF THE YEAR TO MAKE ALL THE FINAL REPAIRS TO ALL THE PAST WATER MAIN BREAKS FROM THIS PAST CALENDAR YEAR OR PAST YEAR, SINCE LAST YEAR WHEN THEY DID.

AND THEN WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DID THAT RECENTLY ON HUBBARD, THERE WAS A WATER MAIN BREAK.

THEY DID ONE ON HUBBARD LIKE A WEEK AND A HALF TO TWO WEEKS AGO.

AND DID A BREAK HAPPENED AFTER THAT? SO THEY WERE USING A ROLLER THAT WAS VIBRATING ROLLER THAT THEY DID NOT USE WHEN THEY DID THE NEXT PATCH.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE AFTER THAT.

AND THAT CAUSED THE WATER BREAK ON TUPPER.

COULD'VE PROBABLY DID.

ARE WE CHART? AND THEN, UH, THE OLD LEAH, IS THAT THE VEOLIA AND THEY FIX THE WATER MAIN BREAK.

DID WE GET TO, DID WE CHARGE JERGENS FOR, UM, THE PAY FOR DID NOT, I, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THAT'S, IF THEY COULD SAY THAT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT CAUSED IT.

I DON'T TRY, BUT, UH, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN PROVE THAT BECAUSE HUBBARD HAD ONE, UM, TODAY FURTHER DOWN ON HUBBARD AND IT'S THE, BOTH OF THEM FROM LAST WEEK BEFORE AND TODAY ARE IN THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

SO WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THE FIRST THREE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENTS PROGRAM PROJECTS.

FIRST THREE ROUTES.

THERE'S THREE, THE THREE STREETS THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED YOU MEAN? YES.

UH, THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR AND THEY'VE ORDERED PIPE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

SO, SO END OF THE YEAR, THERE'LL BE STARTING THOSE THREE STREETS.

NOW, IF WE ADD CRUX TO NOW TO IT, THEN, UH, THAT'LL GO IN WITH IT.

AND THEN THEY'LL ALL BE BUILT WITHIN FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE FOURTH ROAD? WELL, THEN TOM BERG AND, UH, ALTER AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER ONE.

I'M SORRY, THE FOURTH ONE, TOM, BURKE'S GOING TO NEXT YEAR, RIGHT.

GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN I ALREADY GETTING DESIGNED ALTER FOR NEXT YEAR, AND THEN I POSSIBLE GET ANOTHER ONE DESIGNED.

AND AT THAT POINT, WE'LL DECIDE WHAT TO DO ALL THREE OF THOSE NEXT YEAR.

AND THAT'LL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

WE'LL HAVE THOSE DESIGN.

WE CAN BRING IT HERE AND GET THAT GOING BECAUSE IT'LL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS FOR DELIVERY ON THAT ONE.

SO NUMBER FOUR IS CROOKSTON THE ONE, THE ONE THAT TRUCKS.

DO WE HAVE IN THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO GET YOU A SPECIFIC AMOUNT, JUST IN GENERAL, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT.

SO WHAT'S THE STATUS ON CROOKSTON? WELL, CROOKSTON, UH, IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED, IT'LL JUST BE ADDED TO THE, UH, CONTRACT WITH THE CURRENT, UH, CONTRACTOR.

WE HAVE M AND T EXCAVATED.

DON'T DO IT ALONG WITH THE OTHER THREE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, BRIAN? YES, SIR.

UM, FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. OTTO MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UM, TO FUND IN THE PAST.

UH, WE'VE BEEN TOLD AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO USE TO FUNDING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, YEARS AGO, EVEN BEFORE I GOT AWAY BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.

UH, BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T USE IT FOR, UM, BUILDING A MUSIC CENTER, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO USE IT LEGALLY TO, UH, BUILD A MUSIC CENTER, THE MONEY IN THE FUND.

HOW MUCH MONEY

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I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, SO IF COUNCIL DESIRES AND WE USE THIS, UH, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE'RE REPAIRING INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WATER MAIN, UH, EAST ON CHAMBERSBURG PROJECT, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I'M SORRY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

WELL, THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT.

THAT'S USED FOR, WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE WITH CLARK COUNTING, WHICH COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED ON IN AUGUST.

IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, WE'RE DISCUSSING, WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH A DEVELOPER, UH, WHO IS INTERESTED IN UTILIZING THAT MAIN FOR SUPPORTING THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT TOO, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE.

THAT'S THE HOPE SO IF WE DECIDE TO, YEAH, SO COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO USE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIF FUNDS FOR REPAIRING INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF NEW BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THEY'RE PUTTING IN A NEW WATER LINE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REPAIRING THEIR OLD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN AFFECT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REAL SURE ABOUT THE STUDY.

THAT'S 90% DONE.

UM, BUT WE'VE SPENT, UH, TIF FUNDS BEFORE IN THE CITY.

SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE HAVE IN THE TIF FUND.

NOW THE GENERAL FUND, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND, APPROXIMATELY I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THAT.

I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE ECONOMIC, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

I HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND CERTAINLY, UH, WE CAN SPEND GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR ANYTHING WE WANT BECAUSE IT'S GENERAL FUND THAT'S CORRECT.

SALARIES, ROADS, UM, FIRE POLICE, AND OBVIOUSLY WATER.

MA'AM ANYTHING, WHAT ARE THEY DOING UP AT BELL FOUNTAIN AND KITTRIDGE BESIDES TEAR IT UP THE ROAD, UH, AT THAT INTERSECTION? UM, THAT IS WHERE VECTREN IS FIXING A GAS PROBLEM.

THEY HAVE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR TWO, THREE MONTHS.

THEY KEEP DIGGING IT BACK UP.

I'M NOT CENTERPOINT.

UP IS ITEM THREE M WHICH IS THE EAST WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, RIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE MORE CONTRACTOR LABELED, UH, TRUCKS AND CENTER.

SO I WASN'T TO SHARE, I THINK IT'S MILLER PIPELINE DOING THE WORK, BUT IT'S ALL CENTERPOINT AND IT'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING THAT CITY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

[ East Water Main Extension Project - Award Contract]

THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST AS A HOLD OVER FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER, UH, WE HAD SENT OUT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, WE'D ASK THAT COUNCIL ENTERTAIN LEGISLATION ON THIS AT THE NEXT, UH, BUSINESS MEETING ON MONDAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEP.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

UM, $3 MILLION, UH, BRIAN, UH, SALEABLE BOND FUNDS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.

WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? THAT'S ARPA MONEY, SIR.

THERE'S, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.

AND WE CAN USE THAT ARPA MONEY FOR, UM, SPECIFICALLY THIS PROJECT OR ANYTHING, OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE LIMITATIONS ON THAT ARE FUNDING, UH, ARPA FUNDS OR THINGS LIKE, UM, UTILITIES, UH, THERE'S REIMBURSEMENT FOR, UM, CERTAIN WAGES AND BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER DIFFERENT, UH, PROVISIONS IN WHICH ARPA FUNDS CAN BE UTILIZED.

IN WANTED SPENDING VERSUS AVAILABLE RESOURCES.

COULD WE PULL $700,000 OUT OF THIS ARPA FUNDING PROJECT AND DO, UM, TOMBER IS THAT NUMBER FIVE TOMBERG UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE SENT TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD NOT DO THAT.

WHY NOT? BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU WOULD RECALL THAT, UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR PROVIDED INFORMATION, YOU HAD ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE STATUS OF AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THE WATER FUND.

AND THE INFORMATION WE PROVIDED IS THAT THERE IS A BALANCE AVAILABLE IN THE WATER FUND TO BE SPENT, UH, THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE RECOMMENDED, UM, RESERVES OF THE GEO FFA.

AND SO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IS RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL NOT ACCESS THAT MONEY TO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR THE, UM, DIFFERENCE

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UH, AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, MONIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE ARPA-E FUND OR THE ARPA FUNDS ARE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO WATER USES IN THE EAST MAIN PROJECT.

SO THERE ARE NO OTHER AVAILABLE RESOURCES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN SHORT ORDER THAT COULD BE ASSIGNED TO THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT.

UM, AND WE'RE FRONTING THE MONEY OUT OF THE WATER BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET REIMBURSED FROM OUR BOOK.

NO, THE ARPA MONEY HAS ALREADY, ALREADY, ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY.

YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? WE CAN'T USE THIS MONEY FOR TOM BURKE BECAUSE THE CROOKSTON IS ALREADY COMING OUT OF IT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

WE GOT NUMBER FOUR.

SO I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER FIVE.

DO I HAVE TOM BERG, RIGHT? YEAH.

TOM BURKE'S NUMBER FOUR.

SO WHEN I'M JUST THERE, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THAT IF YOU WANT THE WATER MAIN EAST PROJECT DONE AND DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER, IT NEEDS TO BE ART MONEY AND TOMBERG NEEDS TO WAIT BASED ON THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES THAT WE'VE ALREADY MADE AND WHERE WE ARE IN THESE VARIOUS PROCESSES.

THAT'S BEEN OUR RECOMMENDATION.

AND LAST QUESTION.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, UM, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR TOM BERG.

WE CAN'T USE THE ARPA MONEY.

THAT'S GOING TO THIS PROJECT AND WE CAN'T USE TO FUNDING OR GENERAL FUNDING MONEY TO PAY FOR TOM BURKE.

NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, THIS IS THE ALLOCATION THAT STAFF MADE.

AND WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL ADVANCE THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS BASED ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOUR, UH, YOUR SUMMARY OF TIF FUNDS IS ABSENT SEVERAL CAVEATS AND CONDITIONS.

UH, AND IN THIS INSTANCE, I'M NOT AWARE UNDER ANY OF THE CAVEATS AND CONDITIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO TIF FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIP.

WOULD ANY OF THAT MONEY BE APPLICABLE, UH, TO FUND THE REPAIR OF TOMBERG? UH, AND AGAIN, WE ALREADY HAD COMMENTARY EARLIER ABOUT WHILE IT IS POSSIBLE TO USE GENERAL FUND MONEY ON A VARIETY OF PURPOSES, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED TO MODEL.

WE DID NOT MODEL, UH, ANY UTILIZATION OF THAT MONEY FOR, UM, UH, FOR TOMBERG.

AND ANY RESOURCES THAT WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE IN THE GENERAL FUND IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THEY'D BE LEFT, WHERE THEY ARE SO THAT THE CITY CAN BE RESPONSIVE TO ADVANCING OTHER NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, THE WANT OF COUNCIL.

INSTEAD OF THE SHORT-TERM DISCUSSIONS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE WATER MAINS, WHAT WE NEED IS A LONG-TERM REVENUE STREAM.

CORRECT? YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES, SIR.

IN THIS COUNCIL, THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL COULD COME UP WITH WHATEVER LEGISLATION THEY WISH TO PASS, AND WE COULD SPEND MONEY OUT OF WHATEVER ACCOUNT WE WISH TO.

IS THAT CORRECT? PROVIDED THAT IT'S LEGAL.

AND IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT WE DO IT THIS WAY? YES.

THERE, THE WAY YOU'VE RECOMMENDED.

WHERE DID WE GET THE MONEY TO BUY THE $3.75 MILLION OF LAND ON EXECUTIVE? UH, THAT CAME FROM, UH, THAT WAS AN ADVANCEMENT, I BELIEVE FROM THE SEWER FUND.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UH, AND A COMBINATION OF FUNDS THAT WERE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE IN THE TED FUND, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE MONIES THAT WE USE TO BUY MARION MEADOWS? WHERE DID THAT MONEY COME FROM? DO YOU KNOW? I WORK, COULD YOU GET WITH US ON THAT? I COULD, I COULD FOLLOW BACK UP WITH THAT, SIR.

I WAS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PURCHASE.

THAT WAS MR. SCHUMER.

AND AS SOON AS WE DEVELOP APARTMENTS AND DEVELOP EXECUTIVE, WE'RE GOING TO FREE A LOT OF MONEY UP.

AND THEN WE CAN START TO POINT THAT MONEY TO THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS A THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT FOR WATER MAINS.

AND I KNOW THAT WAS A NEED THAT YOU HADN'T BEEN SWORN IN YET.

YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE AT NIGHT, BUT YOU HADN'T BEEN SWORN IN, YOU'RE NOT STATING FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU ARE RENEGING ON DOING THAT.

ARE YOU, THOSE ARE, THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE WITH NECESSARY.

AND YOU'RE ROLLING OUT A PLAN ON HOW TO DO THAT.

AND THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH PROJECT WE CAN NEW EACH YEAR ANNUALLY.

RUSS, ARE YOU BITING OFF ABOUT AS MUCH AS YOU'VE ENJOYED RIGHT NOW, OR DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TIME WITH YOUR STAFF AND YOUR DEPARTMENT? UH, WE CAN MAKE, OKAY.

SO YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF.

YOU'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND YOU'LL BRING BACK TO US RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOU SEE FIT AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

OF COUNCIL COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND IF WE WANT TO ALTER OR CHANGE THOSE, THE MAJORITY

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JERRY MCDONALD, IF WE COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF HOW TO FUND THESE, YOU WOULD CHECK US AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT LEGALLY.

SO WE HAVE ALL THE TOOLS AVAILABLE AND TO ASK WHERE ALL THIS MONEY IS, OR ISN'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME.

YOU CAN GET BACK WITH US.

I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT YOU DO PLAN ON DOING THE PROJECTS.

I, I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A LARGER DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL EARLIER THAT FACILITATED THE, UH, WATER RELIABILITY STUDY THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE STUDY PERFORMED BY BURGESS IN NINE BALL.

AND THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE US, UH, DATA WITH RESPECT TO WHY WATER MAINS OR WHY THEY BELIEVE WATER MAINS ARE BREAKING IN PARTICULAR AREAS OVER DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND WHAT'S CAUSING THOSE, WHAT ARE POTENTIAL REMEDIES, WHAT SHOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PRIORITIES AND WHAT WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED COST TO ADDRESS THOSE? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET BACK FROM THAT BURGESS AND BIBLE STUDY, WE WOULD BEGIN PREPARING ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED TONIGHT AND A GRANDER PLAN TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM ON.

AND THAT STUDY WILL BE DONE.

AND HOW MANY DAYS WE ANTICIPATED BEING DEAD.

I BELIEVE THE TARGET DEADLINE IS SEPTEMBER 1ST.

I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT SAID YOU MIGHT TRY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY MORE ARPA MONEY AVAILABLE.

WAS THAT YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT, CORRECT? YES.

SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE ONLY ONE.

I BELIEVE THE, UM, UH, COUNSEL, UH, WAS, UM, HAD ASKED THE, THE MAYOR AND THE CLERK TO DRAFT A LETTER UP.

UM, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST SPEAKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO TRY TO COORDINATE SOME TIME ON OUR SCHEDULES, UH, SINCE I WAS EXTREMELY UNDER THE WEATHER LAST WEEK.

UM, I DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT I NEED TO GET WITH HIM AND HIS OFFICE.

UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THAT LETTER PREPARED AS WELL, UM, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET MOVING ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THAT REQUEST.

UH, RICHARD I'D MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO VOLUNTEER, TO HELP.

HOWEVER I COULD PERFECT NOISE IF THAT STAY OUT OF THE WAY, I'LL DO THAT AS WELL, BUT YOU DON'T CALL ME AND I'LL HELP.

HOWEVER, I CAN.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I, I KNOW WE'VE, UM, WE'VE GOT A, UH, A GOOD PLAN IN PLACE.

UM, THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT I WORKED WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, AND CITY ADMINISTRATION WHEN WE GOT THE ADDITIONAL CARES MONEY, UH, LAST GO AROUND.

SO WE ALREADY GOT A PLAN IN PLACE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME STEPS.

UM, LIKE I SAID, I JUST NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION.

AND, UM, WE WERE JUST CHATTING THAT EARLIER TODAY ON TRYING TO COORDINATE SOME TIME LATER THIS WEEK OFFLINE.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE IN WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE TO APPROPRIATE PROPERTY FOR THE WESTFIELD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY.

SO THESE ARE THE ITEM HERE IS TO ADVANCE, UH, AND AWARD A CONTRACT FOR THE EAST WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT AFTER A DISCUSSION ON, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.

SAY, NO, THIS IS ONCE A MONDAY AND

[ Ordinance To Appropriate Property - Well Field]

YEP.

THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WHICH IS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RUNNING THROUGH ALL THE STATUTORY STEPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO NO NEED TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT'S NICE FOR THE WELLBEING STUFF.

OH, WHICH IS THE AUDIO VIDEO EQUIPMENT AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE

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BRANDON.

THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US.

UM, I'M HERE, UM, I GUESS TO ADDRESS SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES WITH THE AUDIO BAY ASSESS MOTOR PASS A FEW WEEKS.

SO I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE ASKED.

WELL, SO I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF THE STORAGE CARDS.

MALFUNCTIONING AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.

UM, SO I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY SHORT UP, OR DID WE JUST ORDER A NEW ONE OR WHERE ARE WE AT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, OBVIOUSLY BY THE ATTENDANCE HERE IN PERSON, PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WATCHING, UH, THE MEETINGS FROM HOME AND NOTHING IS MORE FRUSTRATING THAN THEY CAN SEE ALL OF OUR LIPS MOVE IN AND THEY DON'T HEAR ANYTHING.

SO WHAT, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER ISSUE IT IS THAT WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE SURE.

IS POWERED AND IS CAUSING THE SD CARD TO SHORT OUT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO MARRY THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS HERE TOGETHER.

WE GOT THE DCR, UH, WE GOT A SWAG IT, AND THEN WE HAVE THE AUDIO VIDEO SYSTEM.

SO THERE IS A SPLITTER, A POWER SPLITTER THAT CONTROLS THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DCR AND THE SD CARD READER THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AUDIO.

UM, ICS BELIEVES THAT THAT SPLITTER

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AND THAT'S GIVEN US THE CUMIN, THE COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS. SO WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY REMOVED THAT SPLITTER, UM, TO SEE IF WE'D HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO THEY WANT TO PUT A PASSIVE SPLITTER IN TO SEE IF THAT'LL RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

UM, WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO BE ORDERED.

UM, OF COURSE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON BACK ORDER, OF COURSE, BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, THAT POWER SPLITTER IS CAUSING A THIRD CAUSE WE REPLACED IT ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE IT WENT BAD.

AGAIN, THEY CAME BACK OUT AND THEY PULLED THAT OUT AND THEY SAID, WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

AND WE WERE WAITING TO GET A DIAGRAM, UM, FROM ICS TO GIVE THE SWAG IT, TO SEE IF THAT WILL RESOLVE THE ISSUE OR IF THEY THOUGHT THAT MAY BE CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

SO THEY JUST DECIDED TO JUST TAKE IT OUT OF THE SYSTEM COMPLETELY.

SO SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE AUDIO IS BEING GOOD, NO PROBLEMS. OKAY.

UH, I GOT A NOTE THAT, UH, MARK HAS A, HAS A QUESTION WHO RUNS OUR VIDEOS.

SO YEAH, THAT'S MARK.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, BUT THAT THEY GOT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION.

YEP.

KATE, COME HERE, BRANDON.

SO EARLIER TONIGHT, UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WAS SPEAKING AND THERE'S LIKE A RINGING IN THE ROOM.

DID YOU NOTICE THAT TOO? YEAH.

WE'LL JUST GO TO THE WIRELESS MICROPHONE.

WE HAD, UH, SOME MESSAGES ABOUT THE CAR BEING FULL.

WELL, NO, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE BEFORE THIS ONE WAS, UM, THE ISSUE OF THE ACTUAL FILE, NOT BEING PULLED OUT AND THE DATA BEING DUMPED ONTO OUR OWN SERVERS IN TIME FOR, UH, IN TIME FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO WE KNOW WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMMISSION MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN HERE AND THEY'RE ALL, UH, TELEVISED, THEY'RE ALL, UH, OR OUT THROUGH THE INTERNET AND ALL THAT AUDIO GETS STORED ON THAT CARD.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE BY WHATEVER REASON THAT PRIOR TO OUR MEETINGS, THAT THAT CARD IS PULLED, THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN DUMPED ON OUR OWN INTERNAL SERVERS.

SO WE HAVE A FRESH CARD TO BE PUT BACK IN BECAUSE WE CANNOT BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUDIO AND MARK'S TELLING US, WELL, THE CART'S FULL BECAUSE SOMEBODY JUST DIDN'T DUMP THE CAR.

RIGHT? THERE'S TWO CARS THAT SD CARD READER HAS TWO CARDS IN THERE AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO SWITCH OVER.

AND WHEN ONE CARD IS FULL IS NOT DOING THAT, BOTH OF THEM ARE FULL.

ALL RIGHT, WHAT, THEY'RE BOTH FULL.

THEN THAT'S ON US TO GET THAT INFORMATION OFF OF THERE AND GET, GET THOSE CARDS WIPED OUT AND IN PLACE, BACK IN THE, SO DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH STORAGE, I MEAN, IF, IF OUR IS ALWAYS MONDAY OR TUESDAY, SO IF EVERY MONDAY MORNING WE HAD SOMEBODY PULL THOSE CARDS, TRANSFER THE DATA.

SO THE CARDS WERE FULL ON MONDAY.

IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE ON THOSE CARDS TO HANDLE ALL THE MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THIS ROOM UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MONTH? YES.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOW.

EVERY MONDAY WE'D TAKE THOSE CARS OUT AND WE TAKE THE DATE OFF, LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, AND THEN PUT THEM BACK IN THERE.

SO WE DO THAT NOW.

RELIGIOUSLY.

THIS IS ALL THE SAME.

HANG ON THE QUESTIONS, DOC.

THE AUDIO PROBLEMS ARE, I COULDN'T HELP MYSELF.

IT'S JUST ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT, UM, ONE PARTICULAR PART IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S BEEN CAUSING THE PROBLEMS. IT DOESN'T, UH, UM, SERIES OF RECURRING DIFFERENT THINGS.

NO, IT'S JUST, UH, THEY BELIEVE IT'S THAT SPLITTER THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM AND THAT'S WHAT GET REMOVED.

SO THEY TOOK THAT OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND I SAID, WELL, WE'LL TRY THIS AND SEE IF THIS WORKS, THIS IT'S BASICALLY A TRIAL AND ERROR.

HEY, WE THINK IT MIGHT BE THIS.

AND IT'S NOT THAT TRY THIS.

SO WE TOOK DESK SPLIT OR OUT, OR EXCUSE ME, THEY SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THE SPLIT OUT CAUSE THE GUY WAS ONSITE.

AND HE TOOK THAT OUT WHILE I WAS BEEN WORKING WITH PRETTY GOOD.

THAT RUNS UP ON THE LAPTOP, BUT IT'S THE REDUNDANT PART OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

FROM YOUR POSITION, LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM, I KNOW IT'S A HARVARD OF THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE IT BETTER THAN IT IS? UH, IS THERE A TRAINING THAT IS NEEDED OR WHAT DO YOU SEE COULD MAKE THIS? SO IT'S MORE BULLETPROOF.

UM, I PERSONALLY, FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE DCR, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS AN OLDER SYSTEM AND THAT'S THE S THAT'S THE, UM, THE AUDIO

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SO IF THAT'S NOT WORKING, THAT'S THE POST THAT CAPTURED THE DATA.

BUT I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MARRY OLDER TECHNOLOGY, OLD LEGACY TECHNOLOGY WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY, AND SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T WANT TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.

SO IT'S KIND OF A TRIAL AND ERROR, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

BUT AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATION, WHAT WE HAVE OVER THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE STATE OF THE ART.

IT WASN'T, WE GOT IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.

AND THAT'S HOW WE WENT WITH THAT VENDOR.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW OF ANY OTHER WAY TO IMPROVE WHAT WE HAVE OTHER THAN GETTING, NOT HAVING FAULTY PARTS, FAULTY PARTS RATHER.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY CROSS YOUR FINGERS, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST HOPE THAT IT WORKS THEN WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.

CAUSE I KNOW WE DO ALL THE TESTING BEFORE THE MEETINGS, IT WORKS FINE, STARTING A MEETING, THEN THAT'S FRUSTRATING.

BUT, BUT AT SOME POINT THAT BCR IS GOING TO BECOME OUTDATED.

SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN THE TECHNOLOGY IS ALMOST GONE NOW, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH TONY, BUT HE WANTED TO KEEP IT.

AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S OLDER AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT TO WORK WITH THE NEWER STUFF.

AND YOU'RE FIGHTING THAT PLUS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE NEWER STUFF TO WORK AND YOU HAVE TO GET ALL THESE DIFFERENT PIECES AND PARTS TO MAKE THE OLDER STUFF WORK.

AND, BUT WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON AUDIO VIDEO SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST WAIT, BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABANDONING THIS SPACE IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR AN UPDATED FACILITY.

AND WHEN THAT FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED, WE WOULD THEN PUT TOGETHER THE COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE OF THE MOST UPDATED TECHNOLOGY THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US.

SO KEEPING IN MIND, BASED ON WHAT COUNSEL'S DESIRE IS TO MOVE MEETING SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE A NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCORPORATE THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY.

SO RATHER THAN EFFECTIVELY INVEST SOME AMOUNT HERE THAT MAY NOT BE TRANSPORTABLE OR MAY NOT BE THE BEST PRODUCT BECAUSE IT IS TEMPORARY.

IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE, ALTHOUGH NOT MUCH LONGER, UH, THAN WE CAN PROVIDE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY WITH THE MOST UP-TO-DATE PACKAGE IN THE NEW FACILITY.

SEX IS ITEM THREE P WHICH IS CITY STAFFING LEVELS, A TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.

BUT MY CONCERN IS IF OUR NEW BUILDING IS TWO OR THREE YEARS AWAY, IS THE BCR GONNA BE FUNCTIONAL FOR THAT LONG? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO HOLD US OVER UNTIL WE GET THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DONE? I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AHEAD AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE BUY A NEW SYSTEM.

I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT IN A BACKUP, A SAFETY MECHANISM.

UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

SO I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS TOO IS WHAT WE, AND WE DO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE DO WANT TO WATCH A LIVE MEETING AND HEAR THE LIVE MEETING, BUT WE STILL HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S STILL BACKING UP AND RECORDING ALL THE AUDIO.

THEN YOU JUST DON'T HEAR THE AUDIO UNTIL IT ACTUALLY GETS POSTED ON TO THE ACTUAL WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN REWATCH THE VIDEO.

SO AUDIO IS BEING RECORDED.

THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE AUDIO DURING A LIVE STREAM FEED.

THAT'S WHAT THE SPLITTER I GUESS IS IT'S CALLED.

AND SO I, I JUST, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN ONLY BE SO CLEAR ABOUT THIS AND THAT IS THAT IF WE HAVE, UH, AN EQUIPMENT PROBLEM, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND WE, WE, WE CAN ACCEPT THAT, THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY ISN'T WORKING, BUT WHAT WE CAN'T ACCEPT IS THAT WE CAN'T TRANSFER THE AUDIO BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL CARD AND NOBODY TRANSFERRED THE DATA FROM THE CARD TO OUR SERVER TO ALLOW ENOUGH ROOM TO, TO TRANSMIT AUDIO.

SO THAT THAT'S A NON-ACCEPTABLE SITUATION.

IF WE HAVE AN EQUIPMENT ISSUE THAT FALTERS, I CAN UNDERSTAND, CAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE'VE HEARD NOW WHAT THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE SYSTEM.

BUT REGARDLESS OF OTHER THOSE SITUATIONS, WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S RECORDING THE MEETING, RECORDING THE VIDEO, RECORDING THE AUDIO.

AND THEN WHEN IT GOES OUT ON THE WEBSITE, YOU CAN SEE IN HERE, EVERYTHING, IT'S JUST A DAYLIGHT.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE NON TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.

UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S A SITUATION, BUT WE JUST CANNOT BE IN A SITUATION ANYMORE WHERE I'M HEARING AND GETTING TEXT MESSAGES OR NO AUDIO.

AND MARK SAYS THE CARD'S FULL.

THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

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SO AT THE, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHERE WE HAD NO RESOLUTION FOR A CITY MANAGER, WE KNOW THAT, UM, AT LEAST FROM A, AN UPPER LEVEL OF MANAGEMENT IN THE CITY, WE

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HAVE TO, TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.

AND, UH, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO, UM, ADD TO THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION, A ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGE, UH, TO ALLOW FOR BRIAN TO HIRE AND, UH, AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, HE HAS DONE SOME REVIEW OF THE WORKLOAD AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND I GUESS HIS PROPOSAL OR WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, WOULD BE TO ADD AN ASSISTANT TO, UM, WHICH IS SELLING PROFESSIONAL GRADE, UM, POSITION WITHIN THE UPPER LEVEL OF STAFF.

BUT THE JOB DUTIES SPECIFICALLY WOULDN'T RISE TO THAT OF AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BUT AN ASSISTANT TO, UH, SO I THINK BRIAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAD PROPOSED.

SO IF YOU WOULD CARE TO INDULGE US AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT YOU WOULD ENVISION THAT IN THAT POSITION AND, UM, WHERE THEY FIT IN LONG WHERE THEY FIT IN.

LONG-TERM SURE THE, UM, THE POSITION THAT, THAT, UM, I'M RECOMMENDING IS A MID-LEVEL, UM, MANAGERIAL POSITION.

UH, IT WOULD PERFORM SOME OF THE COMPLEX TASKS COMPLEX WORK THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MUNDANE TO SOME, UH, BUT, UH, IS IMPORTANT TO THE ORGANIZATION'S OPERATIONS.

SO THINGS LIKE, UM, GRANT IDENTIFICATION AND APPLICATION, POLICY, AND PROCEDURE, UH, POLICY AND PROCEDURE CRAFTING VETTING, UH, BENCHMARKING THINGS SUCH AS, UM, UH, SOME OTHER WORK THAT THEY MIGHT DO ON AN ONGOING BASIS WOULD BE DETAILED RESEARCH.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH, A LOT OF HISTORICAL DIGGING THAT WE NEED TO DO COMPILING, UH, VARIOUS BITS AND PIECES OF PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, THE FULL PERSPECTIVE.

SO THIS PARTICULAR POSITION WOULD BE THE EYES AND EARS WOULD DO THE BASIC RESEARCH FOR THINGS THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY SENIOR MANAGERS.

UH, AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, WORK IS FALLING SHORT FOR, UH, SEVERAL OF US AT THE MOMENT.

UM, AND ONCE WE BECOME FULLY STAFFED AT SOME OF THESE SENIOR LEVEL POSITIONS, UH, DISPOSITION CAN CONTINUE TO DO WORK.

UM, I DISLIKE THE TERM PROACTIVELY, WHICH MEANS IT IMPLIES WE'RE NOT DOING ANY WORK, BUT, UH, COULD ADVANCE WORK, UM, IN SIMILAR AREAS OR, UH, IN SIMILAR NEEDS.

UH, BUT TO BE, UH, IN A POSITION OF POLICY LEADERSHIP AS OPPOSED TO POLICY RESPONSIVENESS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO, UM, BALANCE WORKLOAD BETTER AT THAT LEVEL OVER TIME, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH, UH, INCREASED CAPACITY SERVICE OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH, UM, A REASSIGNMENT OF TASKS VIA ATTRITION.

THAT WOULD BE WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS POSITION.

THANKS, FRANK, APPRECIATE THAT.

I KNOW YOU NEED, UH, I KNOW YOU NEED HELP UP THERE AND THIS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON, ON HOW TO HELP YOU GET THAT WORK DONE.

UM, THEN I WOULD CERTAINLY CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK SOMETIMES YOU'LL COUNSEL, WE REALIZE THIS IS, UH, WE'RE ALL INVOLVED AND WE ALL SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING, DOING THESE THINGS, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND PREPARATION AND MEETING WITH, WITH RESIDENTS.

BUT THIS IS, THIS IS STILL OUR PART-TIME JOB.

THIS IS YOUR FULL-TIME JOB.

AND WITH THAT, I KNOW COMES A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY.

AND, UH, W IF THIS POSITION OR ORGANIZATIONAL JUROR WAS CHANGED, ADD THAT.

WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO YOUR, TO YOUR CURRENT WORKLOAD? UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, SOME OF THIS WORK, UH, I'D PROBABLY, UH, I WOULD SEE AN INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 25% IN MY AVAILABILITY OF TIME, JUST IMMEDIATELY.

UH, IT WOULD ALSO PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, BETTER MANAGEMENT OF STAFF.

THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE ARE DEFICIENT SUCH AS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

UH, THOSE AREAS NEED TO BE UPDATED, OR WE NEED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO POLICIES OR PROCEDURES WITH RESPECT TO CERTAIN AREAS OF OPERATION, AND THOSE NEED TO BE PROVIDED.

AND SO WE COULD GET, IN MY OPINION, UH, IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR BETTER MANAGEMENT OF STAFF, BUT IT WOULD ALSO EMPOWER EFFICIENCY AT OTHER LEVELS OF THE ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER THIS DEPARTMENT DOES IT THEIR WAY IN THIS DIVISION DOES THEIR WAY, IT BEING SIMILAR FUNCTIONS, BUT, UH, PROCESSES BEING DIFFERENT THAT WE COULD GAIN EFFICIENCIES THERE.

THANKS.

UM, OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS I NEED IT, ARE YOU CLOSE TO HIRING THE R WHERE'S THE PROCESS OF HIRING THE TWO DIRECTOR POSITIONS OVER YOUR PERIOD? UH, AN OFFER HAS BEEN MADE REGARDING THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, I'M WAITING ON A RESPONSE TO THAT OFFER, UM, UH, OPTIMISTIC TO HAVE THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THERE WERE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO, UH, WERE APPROACHED AND OFFERED BOTH DECLINED.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY EVALUATING A VERY SMALL POOL OF APPLICANTS, UH, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THOSE INDIVIDUALS MEET ENOUGH OR SUFFICIENT QUALIFICATIONS TO BE FURTHER.

SO KIND OF WHERE

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ARE WE STANDING AS FAR AS, I MEAN, WE HAD SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF VACANT POSITIONS OPEN, OR HOW, HOW ARE WE STANDING NOW WITH ALL THE VACANT POSITIONS THAT ARE WERE AVAILABLE? UH, QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE KEEPING OUR HEAD ABOVE WATER.

UM, BUT WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO ADVANCE ANY OBJECTIVE SUBSTANTIALLY JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, UM, THE, WELL, IF YOU WILL, OF TALENT TO FALL BACK ON TO HELP SUPPORT, UH, THOSE, THOSE INITIATIVES THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STANDING AT THE MOMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

MAYOR, IS THIS PART OF THE COMPROMISE FROM THE NAACP PRESIDENT DERRICK FORWARD THAT HE PROPOSED? NO, IT IS NOT.

AND IS YOUR INTENTION TO, UM, HIRE THE DIRECTORS AND THEN ADD THIS STAFFING LEVEL AND KEEP, UH, BRIAN AS ACTING CITY MANAGER? WELL, I ALSO, THAT, WASN'T MY INTENT, MY INTENT AT MONDAY'S MEETING WAS TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER, BUT WE DIDN'T CORRECT.

AND IT'S NOT QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

AND IT'S NOT FAIR, UM, FOR US TO CONTINUE TO BURDEN, UH, WHAT STAFF WE DO HAVE.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADD AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AS BRIAN IS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER UNTIL, UM, COUNCIL COULD COME TO SOME FORM OF AN AGREEMENT.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS ON THE AGENDA.

THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION.

AFTER ALL THE VOTES WERE TURNED DOWN, UM, TO RESTART THE PROCESS.

AND THEN ALL THREE CANDIDATES THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA WERE ALL VOTED DOWN.

UH, SO WE HAD TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO GO, AND THIS WAS BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION.

UNDERSTOOD.

DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA, UM, WHEN THAT WOULD BE HOW LONG BRIAN WILL BE ASSISTANT CITY OR AN ACTING CITY MANAGER? UH, AS SOON AS AUBREY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, SHOWS UP, WE CAN, WE CAN ADD, UM, WE CAN ADD TO THE AGENDA ITEMS, UM, FOR AN ASSISTANT, FOR A CITY MANAGER BACK ON THE AGENDA.

AND I WOULD SUPPOSE WE'D HAVE ONE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

MA'AM.

UH, EVEN IF WE HIRED A SOON, SORRY.

EVEN IF WE HIRED A NEW CITY MANAGER, SO, UH, BRIAN, THERE IS STILL A NEED ISN'T THERE FOR AN ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

A RETIREMENT, OR WE WILL HAVE A RESIGNATION, UM, AT A SUPPORT LEVEL OR A MID-LEVEL POSITION IN THE ORGANIZATION.

THERE IS A NEED FOR, UM, TECHNICAL SKILLS AT THE MID-MANAGEMENT LEVEL.

YES MA'AM THANK YOU.

YES, GLENN BRIAN, JUST TO FOLLOW THAT UP.

SO, SO IN ADDITION TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR POSITION, THE OTHER, UH, COMMUNITY POSITION, UM, AND THEN I, A FULL-TIME CITY MANAGER POSITION, IT'S YOUR OPINION THAT THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL POSITION THAT WE SHOULD ADD IN BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NECESSARY MOVING FORWARD.

EVEN WITH THOSE FOLKS PUT IN PLACE.

WHEN I ADDRESSED THIS POSITION IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS, IT WAS A POSITION.

I THINK I MADE A COMMENT TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS WOULD ALSO BE A POSITION THAT COULD BE MORE EASILY SUSTAINED IN THE ORGANIZATION.

LONG-TERM EVEN THROUGH ATTRITION, MEANING THAT IF WE TAKE A STEP BACK AND WE LOOK AT HOW OUR ORGANIZATION IS STRUCTURED, HOW IT FUNCTIONS AND WHO HAS WHAT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, IF WE CAN EFFECTIVELY MANAGE AND DIRECT STAFF GOING FORWARD, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY ONCE WE CAN ALIGN ALL OF THOSE PARTICULAR DOMINO'S, WE'LL SAY ONCE WE CAN ALIGN ALL THOSE DOMINOES, SOME OF THOSE DOMINOES MAY NOT BE NECESSARY LONGER TERM BECAUSE WE'RE SHIFTING AROUND ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.

IT'S MUCH EASIER TO WORK WITH A MID MANAGERS POSITION AS WE'RE MOVING AND CHANGING FUNCTIONS AND STRUCTURES AND ASSIGNMENTS IN THE ORGANIZATION LONG-TERM THAN IT IS TO DO THAT WITH A HIGH SENIOR LEVEL POSITION.

SO IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, THE ASSISTANT TO POSITION, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD HIRE THAT IN THE SHORTER TERM WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL THAN A SENIOR LEVEL POSITION, BUT OBVIOUSLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY, A SENIOR LEVEL POSITION WOULD ALSO BE VERY HELPFUL, BUT LONG-TERM, AS A DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMES ON AS A DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMES ON.

AS WE BLEND SUPPORT SERVICES THROUGH A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENTS, WE'LL HAVE

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AND WE MAY HAVE MOST LIKELY WILL NOT NEED TO BACKFILL IT WITH THE PRESENCE OF AN ASSISTANT TO WHO CAN ASSUME SOME OF THOSE DUTIES FROM THAT VACATED POSITION.

AND THEN WE CAN SPREAD SOME OF THE REMAINING POSITIONS TO OTHERS IN THE ORGANIZATION.

THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THIS ISN'T A, UM, IF WE WERE FULLY STAFFED TODAY WITH THE ASSISTANT TO BE IN NECESSITY, NO, IT WOULD BE A VERY HELPFUL POSITION IN FACILITATING, UM, PROACTIVE MEASURES, I THINK IS THE TERM THAT I USED, BUT WITHOUT FULL STAFFING, JUST AS ESSENTIAL AS ANY OTHER POSITION.

SO BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IN YOUR VIEW, MORE, A SHORT TERM POSITION ON NEED, OR YOU SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THERE IN YOUR MIND PERMANENTLY, IN MY OPINION, IN MY OPINION, IT'S PERMANENT.

WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE TODAY WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT IN, AND WE'LL CALL IT STAFFING SHORTAGE MODE, WHAT THEIR PRIMARY ASSIGNMENTS AND FUNCTIONS WOULD BE UNDER STAFFING SHORTAGE MODE VERSUS WHAT THEIR ASSIGNMENTS WOULD BE UNDER A FULLY STAFFED SCENARIO ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY ARE JUST AS VALUABLE, RIGHT? SO A FIREFIGHTER WHEN THEY'RE NOT PUTTING OUT FIRES IS PLANNING, FIRE PREVENTION, TACTICS, AN ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER IN STAFFING SHORTAGE ROLE MIGHT BE PERFORMING LOWER LEVEL FUNCTIONS FROM THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT TEAM.

BUT DURING A FULLY STAFF MIGHT BE PROACTIVELY SEEKING POLICY MEASURES ON ENGAGEMENT, WHAT ARE UP AND COMING TRENDS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPLY THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO.

BUT THIS IS A THING THAT THIS, THESE ARE FUNCTIONS.

THIS ROLE COULD PERFORM WHEN FULLY STAFFED OUTSIDE OF PAYSCALE.

WHAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ASSISTANT TO AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER? WELL, THERE'S NO MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBLE.

THERE'S NO PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS IS, UM, AGAIN, TECHNICAL SUPPORT AND RESEARCH FOR TECH SUPPORT FOR MANAGERS.

YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING RICHARD? I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS, NO COMMENTS.

I CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE SURPRISED, THANK YOU.

QUITE WELCOME.

ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING FOR CHANGING THE ORG CHART TO ADD AN ASSISTANT TO POSITION AT, UM, THIS MAY BE IRRELEVANT BASED ON, UH, THE NEXT ITEM WITH THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS AND THE, UH, POTENTIAL COMPROMISE, UM, SUGGESTED BY DR.

FORD.

SO IF IT IS, UH, I WAS STILL ASKED, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS WITH THIS FORD? AND THEN IF, UH, IF THERE WAS A COMPROMISE REACHED, THEN WE WOULD ASK, UH, BRIAN, BUT THINK BRIAN JUST STATED THAT EVEN IF, WHEN WE DO HAVE, UM, A CITY MANAGER THAT THIS WOULD STILL BE A POSITION THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE UTILIZED, BUT, UH, IF WE COME TO SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE, THEN WE CAN OBVIOUSLY REMOVE THIS, JERRY.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THERE'S TWO RESOLUTIONS.

YOU HAD MENTIONED THE ONE ABOUT THE ORG CHART, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE SALARY RANGE.

SO THERE'S, I THINK ALL THE COUNCIL HAS TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO THIS, UM, THAT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS POSITION, THAT MONEY.

SO YEAH, KATE MARIAM, FAVORITE, MIDDLE AND THE ON UNTIL MONDAY.

ITEM THREE TO SAY MAJOR SEARCH PROCESS.

ANY OTHER, ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

WE'LL SEE YOU ON MONDAY.

NEXT UP IS

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SO THIS WAS, UH, AGAIN, UM, RECOMMENDED COMPELLED TO BE ON THE AGENDA FROM, FROM COUNCIL.

SO I WILL JUST TURN THE DISCUSSION OVER TO, UM, SO THOSE MEMBERS, YES, MARK.

THANKS MAYOR.

UM, I'VE TAKEN THIS ISSUE VERY SERIOUS CITY MANAGER PROCESS, AND I'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO FIRST TALK TO TONY ROGERS AND HE HAD REACHED OUT TO PATTY ABOUT THE TIMING OF STARTING THE SEARCH PROCESS OVER.

AND HE HAD INDICATED WE HAD SEVERAL MONTHS, IF NOT A YEAR TO DO THAT, I THEN DISCUSSED THE MATTER WITH, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY.

AND THEN I INTERVIEWED THE CITY MANAGER OR THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, BRIAN J KOSKI.

AND THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS, UH, WHY I'M GOING TO GIVE MY OPINION.

ONE OF THE BIGGER REASONS

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IS THE MESSAGE THAT HAS BEEN SENT FOR OVER 15 MONTHS TO THE EMPLOYEES OF OUR CITY, IN ADDITION TO THE CITIZENS.

AND THAT IS A NEED FOR STABILITY.

I'LL ASK BRIAN IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES IF HE CAN SPEAK TO THAT AND TO HIS ABILITY, BUT IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE PAUSED THE SEARCH FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER, APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS.

WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TIME IF, FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO ALLOW BAKER TILLY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AT THAT TIME, UH, SIX MONTHS OF RECORDED COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.

UM, I BELIEVE WE COULD THEN PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD.

I THINK WE COULD SEND A MESSAGE STARTING TONIGHT THAT WE DO HAVE A QUALIFIED MANAGER IN THE ROLE OF INTERIM THAT WE'VE GOT THE POSITIONS NOW ALL IN PLACE, UH, IN INCLUDING THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT.

SO IT IS MY OPINION MAYOR AFTER A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT TO PAUSE THE SEARCH PROCESS FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD.

BRIAN, YOUR OPINION AND YOUR ABILITY AND WHAT YOU SEE MOVING FORWARD.

IF WE WOULD PAUSE THE SEARCH AND WE ASKED YOU TO LEAD OUR CITY AND OUR, UH, WORKERS.

A BREAK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT, UM, APPROPRIATE, UM, DEMEANOR AND MANNER AND PROFESSIONALISM BE EXERCISED ON THIS DYESS BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF PROFESSIONAL MANAGERS.

UM, IN A GENERAL SENSE, UM, WE'VE BEEN AN ORGANIZATION IN, UH, THE POSITION OF NEUTRAL FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UM, AFTER MR. SCHOMER LEFT, UH, MR. , UH, WAS THE INTERIM MANAGER AND, UH, HIS LEADERSHIP WAS APPRECIATED, BUT HE RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS A NEW SHERIFF COME INTO TOWN AT SOME POINT.

SO, UM, HE MADE THE, UH, WHAT I THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL DECISION TO NOT MAKE ANY MAJOR OR SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN WAIT FOR, UH, WHOEVER THE NEW CITY MANAGER WAS GOING TO BE TO ARRIVE.

UM, THEN SCOTT, UH, DEPARTED, UH, AND I BECAME THE INTERIM MANAGER, UH, AND, UH, I HAD, AT THAT TIME, I THINK COUNCIL HAD ALREADY BEGUN STARTING THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH BAKER, TILLY AND GETTING READY TO BRING IN A MANAGER.

AND SO, UH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT I'M MAKING ANY MAJOR CHANGES OR SIGNIFICANT, UH, DECISIONS.

UH, AND SO I TO KEPT THE VEHICLE IN NEUTRAL, WAITING FOR THE NEXT CITY MANAGER TO ARRIVE, UH, AND, UH, AFTER MONDAY, UM, AT THE LAST COUNCIL BUSINESS MEETING, UM, IT WAS CLEAR TO ME AND MY 20 PLUS YEARS OF, OF CITY MANAGEMENT.

UM, THE, OUR ORGANIZATION COULD WAIT NO MORE.

AND SO, UM, I MADE THE DECISION AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO BEGIN LEADING STAFF AS IF I WAS THE MANAGER, BECAUSE WE CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO BE IN THE NEUTRAL POSITION.

UM, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY OF THE MEMBERS ON THIS DIOCESE ABOUT QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, UM, THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL WERE ADEQUATELY BEING ADDRESSED OR MANAGED APPROPRIATELY.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE NEUTRAL POSITION, UH, AND I CAN NO LONGER FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, PROVIDING A WORKFORCE THAT IS NOT DOING ITS BEST WORK FOR YOU OR FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO, UH, TUESDAY MORNING FOLLOWING THE STAFF MEETING, UH, RSPB TUESDAY MORNING, UH, FOLLOWING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD A STAFF MEETING AND, UH, DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO STAFF ABOUT EXPECTATIONS AND WHERE THIS ORGANIZATION IS GOING BECAUSE, UM, QUITE FRANKLY, I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

IT'S NOT MY INTENT TO LEAVE THIS ORGANIZATION.

UH, I ENJOY MY, MY POSITION AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UM, VERY MUCH, UH, IT GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT I ENJOY DOING, AND I PLAN TO DO IT FOR THIS CITY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

UH, AND BASED ON THE NEW ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT WAS ADOPTED IN ADVANCE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE, UH, AN INCOMING CITY MANAGER, A FEW WEEKS BACK, UH, THE MAJORITY OF STAFF, UH, WORKS UNDER MY GENERAL PURVIEW.

AND SO, UH, BETWEEN, UH, OUR NEED TO BEGIN GETTING REAL WORK DONE AGAIN, UM, HAVING EXPECTATIONS OF OURSELVES, UH, AND DELIVERING ON THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I TOOK THE ROLE TO LEAD BECAUSE I DON'T PLAN TO GO ANYWHERE.

AND SO, UH, THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON MY STAFF ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME EXPECTATION, WHETHER OR NOT I'M THE ACTING CITY MANAGER OR WHETHER OR NOT I RETURNED TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP.

UM, AS I SAID, UH, I'M A 20 PLUS YEAR VETERAN OF MANAGEMENT.

UH, IT'S THE ONLY FUNCTION I'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE.

UM, IT IS MY OPINION THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE BEST FOR COUNCIL.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO HIRE THE MOST QUALIFIED MANAGER, YOU CAN THAT, UM,

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THERE ARE MORE VACANCIES THAN THERE ARE QUALIFIED MANAGERS TO FILL THEM.

AND IF THE EXPECTATION OF THIS COUNCIL IS TO HIRE THE BEST, MOST QUALIFIED MANAGER, THE BEST MOST QUALIFIED MANAGERS INTERVIEWING YOU WHEN YOU'RE INTERVIEWING THEM.

AND IF THE DESIRE IS TO HAVE THE NEXT BEST, MOST QUALIFIED MANAGER, THAT MANAGER NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE COMING TO WORK WITH AND FOR PROFESSIONALS.

AND I KNOW EVERY ONE OF YOU UP HERE IS A PROFESSIONAL, AND I KNOW EVERY ONE OF YOU UP HERE CARES A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND YOUR AWARD, BUT TO TURN AROUND AND HIRE A MANAGER, TO HIRE A MANAGER, TO SAY THAT YOU'VE CHECKED, THE BOX IS LEADING YOUR COMMUNITY IS BEING A GOOD COUNSELOR.

MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCES KNOW YOU'LL GET CANDIDATES THAT ARE LESS QUALIFIED THAN CANDIDATES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN.

AND THERE'S BEEN AN INTENSE DEBATE ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS OF EACH CANDIDATE THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED.

AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IN THEIR OWN WAY WAS QUALIFIED TO LEAD THIS ORGANIZATION AND SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I REALLY WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

I WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS STAFF? I WANT AS A 2020 PLUS YEAR PROFESSIONAL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW NOT TO WORK HARD, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE EVERY RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO BE THE BEST LEADERS THAT YOU CAN BE.

AND I THINK THAT IF YOU RUSH TO HIRE THIS POSITION TO SAY THAT YOU'VE HIRED THIS POSITION, YOU HAVE DONE YOURSELF A DISSERVICE IN MAKING SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT THE BEST, MOST COMPETENT MANAGER TO HELP YOU LEAD.

AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT MR. CAMPBELL MIGHT OFFER HIS OPINION, BUT WHEN MR. CAMPBELL ASKED ME ABOUT MY OPINION, WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT START THE SEARCH IMMEDIATELY, THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO HIM WAS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD WAIT.

AND THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT I'M COMMITTED TO THE DISORGANIZATION AS LONG AS YOU NEED ME TO LEAD THIS ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE I WANT MY STAFF TO BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THE ISSUE, BUT I RECORD, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU AS COUNSEL SET POLICY AND DIRECTION, AND IF YOU FEEL THAT HIRING A CITY MANAGER IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND YOU NEED TO DO IT NOW, THEN I WILL FULLY SUPPORT THAT DECISION.

AND I WILL FULLY SUPPORT THAT INDIVIDUAL WHEN THEY WALK IN THE DOOR.

THAT'S MY JOB.

AND I PLAN TO DO MY JOB FOR AS LONG AS YOU'LL HAVE ME DO THAT JOB.

SO THANK YOU.

THANKS, BRIAN.

REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS, RICHARD.

THANK YOU, MEREDITH.

UM, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, UH, MR. CAMPBELL, UM, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, UM, IT WAS IT, IS IT YOUR INTENT ON MONDAY, UH, TO, UH, TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, PRETTY MUCH THROW OUT THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION PROCESS BY BAKER TILLY AND PUT A COMPLETE HALT, UH, FOR SIX MONTHS FROM THE TIME TALKING TO TONY, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ON MONDAY.

HE HAS HAD DISCUSSION WITH, UH, PATTY AND I BELIEVE IF WE DO NOTHING, THEY WILL GIVE US MONTHS.

UH, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS A YEAR THAT WE COULD RESTART THE PROCESS.

UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, JERRY, IF, IF TONY HAD SHARED ANYTHING WITH YOU, BUT HE WAS GOING TO CONFIRM A CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD WITH HER IN WRITING.

UM, AND I'M SURE HE HAS THAT.

I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

THEN W WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS IT YOUR INTENTION THAT COME THE MEETING IN DECEMBER THAT WE PUT A, UM, UH, AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO RESTART THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH AT THAT TIME.

SO MY, I GUESS I'M JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION ON YOUR OPINION, BUT MY INTENTION, LET LET'S SAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SLOW TO START AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TWO MONTHS OF PROFESSIONAL MEETINGS THAN I DO AT TWO MONTHS AFTER DECEMBER.

I THINK WE NEED SIX MONTHS OF PROFESSIONALLY DONE MEETINGS WHERE AS BRIAN SAID, BAKER, TILLY HAS SOMETHING TO PROVIDE THE APPLICANT THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE COMING TO WORK FOR A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.

AND I'LL MAKE A COMMITMENT TONIGHT TO DO JUST THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M PROUD TO WORK WITH EACH AND EVERY PERSON UP HERE.

AND I KNOW WE ARE PROFESSIONAL, I THINK BECAUSE OF EMOTIONS, PERSONALITIES, AND POLITICS, IT'S GOT IN THE WAY OF US DOING OUR JOB.

SO WHEN I TALKED TO JERRY, I THINK JERRY, THE WORD THAT YOU MIGHT'VE USED WAS A COOL-DOWN PERIOD.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS, BUT

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THERE'S NO TRICKS.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO PAUSE.

AND YES, I DO PLAN ON BRINGING BACK THE SEARCH PROCESS.

I THINK THAT THERE'LL BE APPLICANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WHEN WE START THE SEARCH SEARCH PROCESS, IT MAY GO SOONER THAN WE EXPECT BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS THAT PATTY HAS TALKED TO THAT KNOWS WE'RE GOING TO RESTART THE PROCESS.

AND WHEN MR. CAMPBELL, IF IT'S YOUR INTENTION HERE TONIGHT TO STATE AT, UH, WHETHER BY MOTION OR BY COMMITMENT ON MONDAY, UH, THAT THIS COUNCIL, UM, GO INTO HIATUS, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH WITH HIS ATTENTION.

AND I'LL EVEN SAY AT THE END OF JANUARY, UH, THAT COME THE END, COME THE END OF JANUARY OF 2023, UM, OR FEBRUARY OF 2023.

UM, IT IS THIS COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO, AT THAT TIME RESTART THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH MR. CAMPBELL, I WILL STATE HERE PUBLICLY ALL SUPPORT YOUR OPINION.

UH, AND, AND THE REASON BEING IS I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK MONDAY WAS QUITE APPARENT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REHASH THAT.

UM, THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANY TYPE OF COMPROMISE THAT'S BEEN FLOATING AROUND.

UM, I DON'T SEE THAT OCCURRING.

UM, I, I THINK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD, UM, AND WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF GREAT BUSINESS DONE DURING THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.

UM, WE'VE WELCOMED A LOT OF ZONING.

WE WELCOMED A LOT OF LEGISLATION, CITY BUSINESS HAS GOTTEN DONE DURING THAT TIME.

UM, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S YOUR OPINION, YOUR RECOMMENDATION, MR. CAMPBELL, UM, I, I WILL STAY HERE PUBLICLY AND SUPPORT THAT I WELCOMED.

THAT IS MY OPINION.

THAT IS MY INTENTIONS, NOTHING.

SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE A MOTION OR A STATEMENT ON MONDAY, UH, I STAND BEHIND THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

WELCOME.

I WANT TO STATE PUBLICLY.

I AGREE WITH YOU, MARK AND RICHARD, I WILL BE IN FULL SUPPORT OF HAVING THE COOL-DOWN PERIOD.

LET'S START OVER JANUARY, FEBRUARY NEW YEAR, NEW START AND MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.

AND BRIAN, I, I LIKE THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE LET'S MOVE AHEAD PROCESS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, BY THE TIME WE GET SOMEBODY HIRED, IT'LL BE TWO YEARS.

AND I DON'T LIKE CALLING YOU THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

I WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD, DO YOUR JOB, DO IT TO THE BEST OF YOUR BULLET, WHICH I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE.

AND, UM, YEAH, LET'S JUST KEEP MOVING AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL GET THE PROCESS GOING AGAIN.

A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, HAS, DID, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION WITH WHOEVER'S? HAS ANYONE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO, UM, DR.

FORD'S SUGGESTION OF THAT COMPROMISE? UM, I DON'T THINK IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE.

I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLY DOABLE.

I THINK IT PROVIDES FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS AS, AS HE POINTED OUT.

UM, I WISH I'D HEARD ABOUT IT EARLIER IS OUR UNDERSTANDING SHARED THAT IDEA WITH, UH, MAYOR WITH YOU AND MS WITH MR. CAMPBELL ABOUT A MONTH AGO? UM, I JUST HEARD ABOUT IT, SO, UM, BUT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING REASONABLE THAT THEY CAME WITH AND WE COULD HAVE MAYBE SQUASHED SOME OF THIS STUFF BEFORE.

UH, I SAW, I'M CURIOUS IF, IF ANYONE'S GIVEN IT ANY THOUGHT, UM, SINCE WE'VE ALL HEARD IT NOW OR SEEN IT, I SHOULD SAY.

UM, CAUSE I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.

I THINK IT DOES PROVIDE A COUPLE OF THINGS AND PROVIDES A PROFESSIONAL CITY MANAGER WITH THE EXPERIENCE WE REQUESTED THE EDUCATION WE REQUESTED, UM, THE ISMA CERTIFICATIONS.

IT IT'S ALL THAT STUFF.

PLUS IT BRINGS IN A CANDIDATE THAT WAS DESIRED THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO OJT, UH, ACQUIRE A DEGREE AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT PERSON TO ELEVATE ONE DAY AS WELL.

SO I THINK THE, I THINK THE COMPROMISE IS DECENT, UM, TO WAITING.

I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES ANY SENSE BECAUSE WE'VE SAT HERE MANY TIMES AND TOLD THE PUBLIC HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE GET THIS DONE.

WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A BAD MOVE TO PUT, PUT IT, PAUSE FOR THAT REASON.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS AS WELL, MR. CAMPBELL, AGAIN, I NOT CALLING YOU OUT, BUT FOR CLARIFICATION, WHO DETERMINES WHAT OUR PROFESSIONAL MEETINGS FOR TWO MONTHS? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK IF YOU WATCH THE LAST MEETING, HONESTLY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, I THINK THE BULK OF WHATEVER DUST UPS WE'VE HAD HAVE BEEN AROUND THE CITY MANAGER ISSUE, OTHERWISE IT SEEMS MOST EVERYTHING PASSES PRETTY OVERWHELMINGLY OR FAILS.

OVERWHELMING.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT US BEING UNPROFESSIONAL, ESPECIALLY ON CAMERA, BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU'VE SAID.

BECAUSE HE TOLD ME HE WAS GOING TO CALL EVERYBODY.

I WISH YOU HAD HEARD OF DR.

FORD'S IDEA EARLIER TOO,

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THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SHARE IT WITH YOU.

I DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF THE IDEA THEN, AND I STILL DON'T THINK MUCH OF THE IDEA MARK HIGHER UP TO REAL QUICK ON THAT.

UM, IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO DR.

FORD IN THAT MEETING, THAT, THAT ISN'T A COMPROMISE BECAUSE, UH, NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T HIRE AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

NO, WE DON'T.

WE DON'T.

SO IT, AND IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO DR.

FORD IN THAT MEETING, THAT IF WE HIRED GERALD, WE COULDN'T HIRE GERALD UNDER THE QUALIFICATION OR CONDITION THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE A SPECIFIC ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE THAT IS WELL, THAT WAS WHAT HE RECOMMENDED.

THAT WAS WHAT HIS THAT'S, WHAT HIS COMPROMISE WAS.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T ANYBODY ON THIS DIET THAT KNOWS THAT IF THAT, IF WE STIPULATED THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR GERALD WHO HE HAD TO HIRE AS AN ASSISTANT, WE WOULD ALL BE INTERFERENCE WITH THE, WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.

UH, SO DEREK WAS TOLD THAT WASN'T A COMPROMISE THAT, THAT DIDN'T WORK.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD MONEY BACK TO THE BUDGET, TO STAND IN THAT POSITION FOR A SECOND, UH, FOR A SECOND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO BE ADDED, UH, THEN AT THAT TIME.

SO THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENED VERY PLAINLY, VERY OPENLY IN, IN THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH HIM.

UM, AND TO BE HONEST, I DIDN'T INVITE DEREK TO THAT MEETING.

MARK DIDN'T INVITE DEREK TO THAT MEETING.

WE DIDN'T KNOW DEREK WAS COMING TO THE MEETING UNTIL ABOUT 20 MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING, BECAUSE THE LADIES ON THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION HAD INVITED DERRICK TO THAT MEETING AND DIDN'T TELL US UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.

SO THAT MEETING WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD SCHEDULED WITH, UH, WITH YOLANDA AND RHONDA, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A MEETING.

SO WE, UH, SO WE WENT TO THAT MEETING AND THEN THEY INVITED DERRICK.

THEY HEARD THE CONVERSATION.

THEY HEARD VERY CLEARLY THAT THAT WAS NOT A COMPROMISE TO BE HAD BECAUSE WE DON'T HIRE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

WE HIRE THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN THE CITY MANAGERS A LOT HIGHER THAN WHOEVER HE WANTS.

AGREED.

SO, SO THAT'S THE REASON WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE OTHER CON ABOUT THAT BEING A COMPROMISED BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPROMISE.

WE CAN'T AFFORD.

WE CAN'T MAKE GERALD.

NO, BUT AS A, AS A BODY, WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE COULD VOICE OUR OPINIONS, BUT IT'S NOT AS RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

HIS RECOMMENDATION IS FOR US TO HIRE GERALD AND HIRE JOHN.

THERE THERE'S ONE BIG MISSING PIECE HERE.

WHO'S TALKED TO JOHN, IS JOHN GOOD WITH THAT? JOHN? I HAVEN'T TALKED TO JOHN ABOUT THAT.

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW HE WAS, BUT APPARENTLY IT SEEMS THAT ONE OR TWO PEOPLE MADE THE DECISION THAT IT WASN'T A GOOD IDEA.

AND IT WASN'T SHARED AMONGST EVERYONE.

THE ANIMALS DID NOT MAKE THE DECISION.

AND MARK CAMPBELL WAS TOLD DEREK FORWARD WAS CONTACTING EACH AND EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL.

I SWEAR TO GOD GLENN.

SO WE'RE WORKING GOOD TOGETHER.

I DON'T WANT TO HIT UP.

I THIS, I SAT IN A MEETING DEREK FORWARD.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HIRE GERALD.

THEN WHEN HE FOUND OUT HE WAS LET GO, I THINK ON MAY 27TH, THEN HE SAID, WELL, PROMISE ME, YOU'LL GIVE HIM A SECOND INTERVIEW.

I SAID, WELL, THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION.

THEY'LL TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.

AND THEN THIRD IS WHEN THIRD AND CLOSE TO THE END OF THE MEETING IS WHAT HE COME UP WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION.

I WOULDN'T REPEAT THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT INCLUDES JOHN AND JOHN NEEDS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

NOT ME.

NO, BUT I DIDN'T KEEP ANYTHING FROM YOU NOR WOULD I HAVE.

I WOULD NOT HAVE.

AND THAT I DON'T THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE ACCUSING.

NO, NO, NO.

I JUST, I WOULD, I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD EARLIER SO THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH DR.

HE DID SAY HE WAS GOING TO CALL EVERYBODY.

AND EVENTUALLY HE DID LIKE LAST WEEK AT THE END OF LAST WEEK, HE TOLD ME, YEAH, HE DID.

HE DID AT THE END OF LAST WEEK, LAST WEEK, BUT YEAH, BUT IT WAS WEEKS AFTER TWO DAYS BEFORE THAT LAST MONTH ACTUALLY.

NO, NO, I JUST, I JUST 23RD OF LAST MONTH TODAY WHEN HE TEXTS MESSAGES, ALL OF US THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS RECOMMENDED AT COMPROMISE AGAIN.

SO, SO IF YOU KNEW LAST WEEK, YOU KNEW WELL BEFORE I DID NO, NO.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PUT FORTH TO YOU AT JUNE 23RD, ACCORDING TO HIS, I'M NOT SURE ON WHAT DAY WE MET HIM, BUT WHATEVER THAT DAY WAS, HE WAS TOLD, HE TOLD US HE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO COUNSEL, BUT HE WAS TOLD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

THAT, THAT RESPONSIBILITY WAS THE CITY MANAGER.

AND WE ALL KNOW, ONCE YOU HIRE A CITY MANAGER, HE'S NOT THE CANDIDATE ANYMORE.

SHE'S NOT THE CANDIDATE ANYMORE.

THEY'RE THE CITY MANAGER AND THEY CAN MAKE WHATEVER DECISION THEY WANT.

SO, SO THE, THE COMPROMISE, HE SUGGESTED WASN'T REALLY A COMPROMISE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT, UH, ON THE BACK END THAT HIS SUGGESTION FOR JOHN TO BE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, JUST KNOW THAT NOBODY CAN GUARANTEE THAT.

AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T DIRECT THE CITY

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MANAGER TO DO THAT.

SO THERE WASN'T, SO THAT COMPROMISE, I TOLD HIM THEN THAT WASN'T A COMPROMISE.

HE SEEMED VERY LIKELY, VERY, UH, HE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE GOT IT.

UM, SO THEN IF YOU KNEW ABOUT IT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, LAST WEEK, I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS BRINGING IT UP AGAIN UNTIL HE SAID ALL THE COUNCIL, TEXT MESSAGES.

I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS BRINGING UP AGAIN.

I JUST, HE HAD TOLD ME LAST WEEK TO SAY, ASK ME, HAD YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS? I TALKED TO JEFF AND MARK SEVERAL WEEKS BACK.

AND DID THEY MENTION THIS TO YOU? I WOULD REACHED OUT.

SHE HAVE REACHED BACK OUT TO ME.

THEN WHEN YOU FOUND OUT AND SAID, HEY, I HEARD ABOUT THIS FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM, FROM DEREK.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING? I MEAN, YOU AND I ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

SO I JUST SAID, DON'T SAY THAT I DIDN'T LET ANYBODY KNOW.

YOU KNEW BEFORE.

I KNEW AGAIN TODAY THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING HE WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND.

AND YOU DIDN'T.

I KNEW BEFORE YOU KNEW AGAIN, YOU WERE SAYING, BUT YOU KNEW WELL BEFORE.

THAT'S WHAT I KNOW GLENN, WE MET IN BETWEEN THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED ME.

I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DIDN'T, BUT DO NOT THINK THAT I WAS KEEPING ANYTHING FROM HIM WHEN WE MET, I DIDN'T HAVE THAT PHONE CALL WITH HIM.

I DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT ALL.

IT WAS THAT HE TAUGHT ME, YOU HAVE MY NUMBER AND YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE, BUT YOU DIDN'T KEEP IT FROM ME.

I DIDN'T KEEP IT FROM YOU.

HONESTLY.

I DIDN'T PLACE ANY VALUE IN THE RECOMMENDATION WHEN HE TOLD IT TO ME BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.

JERRY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO HIS RECOMMENDATION? UM, WELL, I DIDN'T GET WHATEVER YOU GUYS GOT.

MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER, IT'S HIS CHOICE.

THE GIST OF IT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JUST WAS TO HIRE, UH, GERALD FORGOT HIS LAST NAME.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, AS MANAGER AND HIRE JOHN RUSSELL AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER UNDER THE CHARTER, UM, NEITHER COUNCIL OR ANY OF ITS MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE MAYOR SHALL IN ANY MANNER DICTATE THE APPOINTMENT OR REMOVAL OF CITY OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES FOR WHOM THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY SUBORDINATES ARE EMPOWERED TO APPOINT AND REMOVE.

SO OUR CHARTER SPECIFICALLY SAYS, COUNCIL CAN ADD A POINT, THIS PERSON.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BAD IDEA IS CONTRARY TO THE, AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH MR. FORD IN THAT MEETING.

AND HE SEEMED OKAY.

HE DIDN'T, ONCE WE LET HIM KNOW THAT WAS THE CASE, AND THAT WAS THE CHARTER.

WE DIDN'T HIRE THIS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

HE LET IT GO.

SO THE TEXTS WE GOT TODAY, I WAS ACTUALLY QUITE SURPRISED BY BECAUSE, BECAUSE HE KNEW VERY WELL AT THE MEETING, WE HAD THAT WASN'T THE CASE.

WE COULDN'T DO THAT.

AND HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING FURTHER.

YEAH, NOT ONLY WE DON'T GET TO HIRE THIS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BUT IT WAS A CHARTER VIOLATION, BUT WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AT THANK YOU, MEREDITH.

UM, JUST FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING.

UM, THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION BY DR.

FORD PRESIDENT, THE NAACP WAS TO HIRE GERALD SMITH AS CITY MANAGER.

HE WAS ONE OF THE FOUR, UH, IN MY OPINION, THE MOST QUALIFIED OF THE FINAL FOUR CANDIDATES.

AND THEN BECAUSE HALF THE COUNCIL WANTED HIM AND THE OTHER HALF COUNCIL WANTED JOHN RUSSELL.

UM, THE COMPROMISE, THE SECOND PART OF THAT COMPROMISE WAS TO HAVE JOHN RUSSELL AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

AND THEN DURING THAT TIME, JOHN RUSSELL WOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS HIS BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND, UH, CITY MANAGEMENT, UH, FINISHED THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE HAS AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE.

AND THEN HE WOULD ALSO BE GAINING VALUABLE EXPERIENCE AT THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER LEVEL TO, UH, ONE DAY, UH, BASICALLY GROOMING POSITION.

BUT ONE DAY EVENTUALLY BECOME CITY MANAGER OF HUBER HEIGHTS IN THE FUTURE.

AND, UH, THE PROPOSAL FOR DR FORWARD, UM, WOULD BE, I THOUGHT WAS A BRILLIANT SUGGESTION WHERE, UM, ONLY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL GET WHAT THEY WANT, BUT NOT EXACTLY EVERYTHING WE WANT.

AND I KNOW THAT JOHN RUSSELL WAS BRINGING, UM, TO COUNCIL THE IDEA OF EVALUATIONS, AND OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CITY MANAGER'S CALL.

BUT IF THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVALUATIONS DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, THEN CERTAINLY JOHN RUSSELL WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS RESOURCE IN THAT CATEGORY.

UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THE LEGAL APP APPLICATION IN THE CITY CHARTER, THAT WAS SOMETHING I RECOGNIZED JUST LIKE, UH, VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL AND MAYOR GORE MENTIONED THAT COUNCIL CAN'T HIRE AND WE CAN'T FIRE ANY EMPLOYEE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER OF WHICH I TOTALLY AGREE.

UM, WE WANNA MAKE, WE WANNA FOLLOW THE LAW.

WE'RE NOT GONNA, UH, SKIRT THAT AT ALL.

AND CERTAINLY I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME,

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BUT IF HE'S COMING INTO THE CITY TO BE THE NEXT IN THE NEW CITY MANAGER, THEN THE VERY DECISION THAT WOULD BRING ALL OF COUNCIL TOGETHER WOULD BE TO HIRE JOHN RUSSELL, HIS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND TO BRING ALL OF COUNCIL TOGETHER AND WE COULD HAVE PENDING, YOU KNOW, HIS APPOINTMENT AND CONTRACT AGREEMENT A WEEK AND HAVE A CITY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UH, CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, MONDAY OR TUESDAY.

AND THEN OF COURSE, JOHN RUSSELL, HIS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOLLOWING UP, UM, THE APPROVAL OF HIS CONTRACT.

SO THAT WAS, I THOUGHT THE BRILLIANCE OF DR.

FORWARD SUGGESTION, I UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT WANTING TO DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL, BUT I ALSO FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY HOPING I'M NOT HEARING OUR HURDLE INTENTIONALLY PUT IN THERE TO SAY NO TO HIS PLAN, UH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU SAID IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAVE FOR QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND OBVIOUSLY COUNSEL DID NOT AGREE, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THIS COMPROMISE ON THE TABLE AT THAT TIME.

AND THIS COULD BE THE VERY ISSUE THAT COUNCIL CAN RALLY AROUND IT.

I'M NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR IT.

UH, COUNCILMAN, AUTO'S NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR IT.

UH, THE ISSUE CAME FROM A THIRD PARTY THAT HAS AN INTEREST IN HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT DOESN'T LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND DOESN'T WORK IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

AND I THINK IT'S A, UH, TREMENDOUS, UH, PROPOSAL AND, UM, RECOMMENDATION FOR A LEGITIMATE COMPROMISE.

AND, UH, WITH THAT, THE BENEFITS THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, WORKING ON THE MARION SHOPPING CENTER LIKE WE WERE TONIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, WARMS MY HEART.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISAGREEMENTS.

CERTAINLY WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR CITY BETTER, BUT THIS CAN BE THE IT'S OF THE SINGLE ISSUE THAT BRINGS EVERYONE TOGETHER BECAUSE WE ALL GET SOMETHING WE WANT.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, JUST THE BENEFIT, UM, FOLLOWING VICE MAYOR CAMPBELL'S SUGGESTION, UM, IF WE DON'T ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, MOVING FORWARD ON MONDAY AND LEGISLATION TO HIRE GERALD SMITH, UM, IF WE DON'T ACCEPT THAT ON MONDAY, UH, THE COMPROMISE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO START THE SEARCH OVER AGAIN, UH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUR LAST DITCH EFFORT.

THIS WAS A COMPROMISE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD BEFORE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED FOR THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH, UH, TO BE PROCESSED, TO BE ADDED BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.

UM, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ADDED THIS TO THE DISCUSSION, IT WASN'T ON THE LAST WORK SESSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT IT AND GETTING CLOSER TO THIS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS JUST A BRILLIANT COMPROMISE.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVES A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO THAT, WE CAN HAVE A CITY MANAGER IN THAT COMPROMISE, UH, MONDAY AND TUESDAY.

MA'AM INTERESTS.

LOTS OF INTERESTING CONVERSATION HERE.

UH, I WOULD ASK, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION FROM SOMEONE TO AGREE TO DISCLOSE EXECUTIVE SESSION INFORMATION FROM THE APRIL 13TH, 2022 EXECUTIVE SESSION.

FOR WHAT REASON? WELL, BECAUSE, UM, MR. LYONS, QUITE FRANKLY, JUST STATED THAT HE SUPPORTED AND THOUGHT MR. SMITH WAS THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON.

AND I THINK INFORMATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, CLEARLY YOU SAYS, OTHERWISE MARK MOVE FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION RELEASED THEIR SECOND.

UH, JERRY, DO WE NEED TO, WELL, YOU NEED A MAJORITY.

KIND OF START MOVING ON AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO STIR UP MORE BEHAVIORS, MORE FEELINGS, MORE EVERYTHING BY DOING THIS.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YES, ED, UH, JUST A QUESTION.

SO YOU'RE HOPING TO SHOW INFORMATION THAT CONTRADICTS MY STATEMENT.

WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY INFORMATION THAT CONTRADICTS YOUR STATEMENT.

AND I THINK IN THE FORM OF TRANSPARENCY, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

UH, I'LL BE FINE WITH THAT.

I'LL BE VOTING FOR THAT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU, GERALD SMITH WAS MY TOP CANDIDATE AND HAS BEEN MY TOP CANDIDATE, BUT, UM, OKAY.

NINA, THIS MIGHT SOUND REALLY WEIRD, BUT MARK, WE JUST, UH, LET'S

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I THINK WE NEED TO JUST PUT AN END TO THIS AS MY OPINION, AND TO START MOVING FORWARD.

I, I, I'M JUST KIND OF DONE WITH IT.

I I'M DONE WITH THE BEHAVIORS, THE BACK AND FORTH, EVERYTHING ELSE.

I AGREE.

WE LOOK BAD DOING THIS AND I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO END.

THAT'S JUST MY TAKE.

I THINK IT DOES TOO, BUT I THINK IT ALSO, UM, STARTS WITH EVERYONE BEING HONEST.

I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ANITA.

I AGREE WITH THE NEED.

IS THERE AN OPTION, ANOTHER OPTION? COULD WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TALK ABOUT THE 13TH? YEAH, LOOK, I THINK PUBLICLY THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF THINGS SAID ABOUT ME AND SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS.

AND I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR THE AIR, WE NEED TO CLEAN THE AIR.

EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT BEING OPEN, HONEST, AND TRANSPARENT.

AND THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT WHO EVERYBODY SUPPORTED AND THERE'S DOCUMENTATION OF IT.

AND, UM, IT'S BEEN VETTED BY TONY ROGERS AND HE AGREES, UH, I THINK I, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

UH, YOU JUST SAID THERE'S DOCUMENTATION.

THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WELL, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE IS BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT, UH, VOTING FOR SOMEONE OR APPOINTING SOMEONE TO A POSITION OF PLANNING COMMISSION, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, WE ALL, DON'T JUST SIT BACK THERE, RAISE YOUR HANDS AND GO.

I LIKE HIM OR I LIKE HER.

AND I LIKE HIM.

THERE'S ALWAYS A RECORD OF, UM, OF HOW WE GET FROM A GROUP OF PEOPLE DOWN TO A SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE DOWN TO A SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THAT DOCUMENTATION EXISTS.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.

I'D LIKE TO CHALLENGE THE GROUP TO STAY PROFESSIONAL TONIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I MADE ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.

THAT WOULD BE, I'VE HEARD FROM ANITA, RICHARD AND MYSELF, ME, KATE.

AND I'D LIKE TO START THERE, GET THIS MEETING OVER THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

DOES IT? YEAH, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UH, SO WHAT WOULD COME DOWN TO THEN THERE'S BEEN A RECOMMENDATION, UH, WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO, UH, HAVE A COMPROMISE TO HIRE GERALD, UM, WITH, I GUESS, A CONDITIONED TO, FOR GERALD TO HIRE, UM, JOHN RUSSELL AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

UH, THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE IS A, UH, I WOULD ASK FOR AN OBJECTION TO MOVING THAT ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING, IF THERE'S A MAJORITY, OBJECTION, THEN WE WILL JUST OBJECT TO THAT NANCY.

OBJECT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TH THIS HAS MOVING GERALD ON FOR A VOTE FOR MONDAY? NO, THIS, NO.

THE OBJECTION WOULD BE TO, IF YOU'RE OBJECTING, GERALD, DOESN'T GO TO A VOTE ON I'M OBJECTING HAVING THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR, YEAH.

SO THERE'S BEEN FOUR OBJECTIONS.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M OBJECTING IS BECAUSE I HAD MADE A PROPOSAL TO START OVER JUST TO HAVE A COAL DOCKER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M IN FAVOR OF, WHICH WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THAT.

I I'M PHIL AT THIS POINT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED, WE JUST NEED TO START OVER.

THAT'S JUST MY TAKE.

I, IF I WOULD HAD THIS PROPOSAL PRIOR TO LAST WEEK'S MEETING, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN DIFFERENT, BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN TOO MUCH BACK AND FORTH.

THIS SAID, THIS SAID THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT NEEDS TO JUST END.

I AM 100%.

IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

SO ARE YOU STATING AT ANITA, ARE YOU STATING AN OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS WORD? YES.

THAT IS A MAJORITY OBJECTIONS.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, IT IS 10 39, AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED BEFORE YOU DO, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO START OVER? UH, NO.

CAUSE I THINK IN THE CONVERSATION WITH TONY, I THINK, WELL, SO I DO THINK TONY NEEDS TO GET US THE IN WRITING PIECE FROM BAKER, TILLY THAT SAYS WE HAVE 12 MONTHS TO REENGAGE THEM IN THE SEARCH PROCESS.

AND I THINK WE CAN GET THAT FROM TONY.

HE'S JUST, HE'S AT A TRAINING RIGHT NOW THAT I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH PATTY TO GET THAT.

ON WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.

MA'AM UH, MR. CAMPBELL, I THINK IN OUR CONVERSATION, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UM, THIS COUNCIL CAN MAKE A MOTION AT ANY TIME TO MAKE ITS INTENT

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I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST THERE SHOULD AT LEAST BE A MOTION ON MONDAY TO, UM, TABLE AND PUT THIS CURRENT CITY MANAGER PROCESS AND HIATUS, UM, WITH THE INTENT COME FEBRUARY OF 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ITS INTENT TO RESTART THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.

I THINK AT MINIMUM, THAT SHOULD BE A MOTION.

MARK, DO YOU AGREE? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD WRITE IN, IF YOU WOULD HAVE THAT READY FOR MONDAY? I WOULD READ IT.

I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION.

WELL, I'M, I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

IT WAS, THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE CONTINUE WITH BAKER TILLY AND THAT FAILED? SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO, SO WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A MOTION TO NOW.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHY YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK UP LAST WEEK'S MEETING.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT WE VOTED ON TO NOT RESTART IT.

AND WHAT THE MOTION OR THE PROPOSAL WAS TO RESTART.

AND SO, BUT NOW ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO RESTART BAKER TILLY IN SIX MONTHS IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.

CAN WE DO THAT? NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO, CAN WE DO THAT JERRY UNDERSTAND? I MEAN, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN SOMETHING FAILS, IT IT'S, WE'RE DONE WITH IT.

SO WAS IT A MOTION? YES.

IT WAS NOT LEGISLATION.

SO, SO WE CAN DO THAT.

WILL YOU PROMISE US THAT YOU'LL LOOK INTO THAT AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO ON MONDAY, MR. WILL BE VERY WELL-PREPARED AND NOW HE JUST FIGURED OUT WHY HE WAS HERE THIS WHOLE TIME.

YES DON'T.

UM, COULD WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE FALLS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF, UH, BAKER TILLY'S REQUIREMENTS OR GUIDELINES? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE SAY WE'RE SHUTTING THE PROCESS DOWN, DOES THAT MEAN SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR TO BAKER, TILLY, AS OPPOSED TO, OR PUTTING THIS ON HIATUS? I, I BELIEVE MIKE DISCUSSION WITH TONY, UH, AFTER THE LAST MEETING WAS, UM, IF, IF THE LANGUAGES THAT WE'RE PAUSING WITH THE INTENT TO RE-ENGAGE YES, THEY WOULD DO THAT WITHIN 12 MONTHS.

SO WE'RE NOT SHUTTING THE PROCESS DOWN OR PAUSING THE PROCESS WITH THE INTENT TO REENGAGE.

AND THEY WOULD GIVE US 12 MONTHS TO DO THAT.

I APOLOGIZE TO TONY, IF WHAT I'M STATING IS INCORRECT, BUT TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY, WHEN I TALKED TO TONY BEFORE HE WENT OUT OF TOWN, HE SAID HE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH PATTY.

WE HAVE UP TO 12 MONTHS, HE WAS GOING TO SEND HER AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT, WANTING HER TO REPLY TO THAT EMAIL.

AND SHE WAS WAITING FOR HIS EMAIL.

THANK YOU, MARK.

CAN I ALSO STAY FOR THE RECORD? SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS ISSUE AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME KIND OF GRADING SCALE.

I MEAN, I, I JUST THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE FUTURE PROCESS.

UM, WHEN I WAS WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ALSO, WE HAD A GRADING SCALE AND IT CAME DOWN AND IF PEOPLE WERE WITHIN A FEW POINTS OF EACH OTHER, THEN WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WE FEEL THE PERSONALITY, HOW THIS IS FITTING DAH, DAH, DAH.

WE CAN OVERRIDE BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY THREE POINTS DIFFERENCE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SCALE IS THE POINT DEFERENTIAL THAT WE COULD GO, HEY, THIS IS POSSIBLE.

I JUST THINK THAT WOULD CLEAR UP A LOT OF THIS THAT'S HAPPENED THIS ROUND.

THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID AT THE COUNTY.

FOR THE 30 YEARS I WAS THERE.

I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A CLEANER PROCESS.

BAKER.

TILLY DID THAT FOR US, DESPITE THE COUNTY'S REPUTATION.

I STILL AGREE WITH, WELL, NO, NANCY, WE DONE.

WHAT WE WOULD DO LITERALLY IS THERE WOULD BE A TEAM OF US JUST LIKE THE TEAM OF US.

AND WE WOULD LITERALLY GRADE PEOPLE.

ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE INTERVIEWING, WE WOULD GRADE PASS THE PAPERS TO THE END WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO WHERE WE DIDN'T SEE WHAT, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT ED PUT.

I DIDN'T SEE WHAT GLEN PUT WE'D PASS IT TO THE END.

BAKER, TILLY WOULD THEN TAKE OUR SCORE SHEETS, SCORE THEM UP AND GO, OKAY, THIS PERSON HAD THE MOST POINTS.

THIS PERSON HAD THE NEXT, THIS PERSON HAD THE NEXT, BUT THERE WAS ONLY THREE POINTS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP TWO.

THAT'S WHEN WE CAN COME INTO PLAY AND SAY, OKAY, AND TALKING WITH STAFF, WHEN TALKING WITH THIS, WE THINK THIS WOULD COME INTO, BUT THAT REALLY DID HAPPEN HERE.

BASED ON THE VIDEOS THAT WERE WATCHED, BASED ON THE RESUMES THEY SUBMITTED BASED ON, UM, SOME PEOPLE EVEN ASKED ABOUT BACKGROUND CHECKS.

CAUSE THE SHORTER, SHORT OF A, OF A POINT SYSTEM BAKER KELLY PROVIDED 12 CANDIDATES.

AND THEN IN THAT APRIL 13TH WORK SESSION, AND THEN EIGHT OF YOU, YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU SENT TONY YOUR TOP PICKS, UH, V I GUESS THE EMAIL YOU TOLD HIM, CAUSE YOU WEREN'T AT THAT MEETING.

I READ THEIR RESUMES, RIGHT? YES.

SO YOU MADE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AND EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THEN

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WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW BACKGROUND CHECKS.

WE HAD, UH, I MEAN, TH THE REFERENCES, THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES THAT WAS WRITTEN, ALL THAT INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE.

AND THE EIGHT OF YOU PICKED YOUR TOP FOUR.

BUT I'M SAYING AT THE END, THE PROCESS, WE HAD WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE END.

SO WHEN WE WERE SITTING HERE INTERVIEWING THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US, WE HAD SCORE SHEETS AS WE WERE INTERVIEWING THE PEOPLE AND WE WOULD PASS THEM TO THE N NANCY, AM I MAKING SENSE? CAUSE YOU WEREN'T GOVERNMENT.

WE WOULD PASS THEM TO THE END.

AND THAT WE DID THAT WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PROCESS TAKEN FROM 12 TO FOUR, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT FROM THE FOUR ON THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT, IT SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY, WE WERE ALL LOCKED INTO THOSE FOUR.

WE ALL HAD OUR INTERPRETATION, PUTTING ALL THOSE, THOSE FACTORS TOGETHER, WE ALL EVALUATED IN OUR OWN WAY.

I JUST THINK A SCORE SHEET WOULD KEEP IT CLEANER.

THAT'S JUST MY TEAM.

I MEAN, W W IT WOULD PROVIDE A RECORD, BUT, BUT I MEAN, WE GOTTA BE HONEST HERE TO THE CANDIDATES THAT YOU LIKED, YOU WOULD HAVE SCORED A FIVE AND THE CANDIDATES YOU DIDN'T LIKE YOU TO SCORE.

AND THE CANDIDATES THAT THEY LIKED, THEY WOULD HAVE SCORED A FIVE AND THE CANDIDATES, THEY DIDN'T LIKE THEY WOULD'VE SCORED A ZERO.

SO WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS, IS THAT COMPROMISE.

SO WE TALK ABOUT A COMPROMISE.

THE COMPROMISE THREE OF THE FOUR CANDIDATES WERE ON THE AGENDA LAST WEEK.

AND COUNCIL DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION.

IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSION.