[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road June 14, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION PER SECRETARY.
WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JEFFREY'S.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE? NEXT FILM, THE AGENDA IS OPENING REMARKS, UH, BY CITIZENS COMMENTS ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA, THE CP AND HEARING THAT WE'LL MOVE ON.
UM, WITH SWEARING A WITNESSES, I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND RESPOND.
I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING OF, DO YOU HEAR ABOUT YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
UM, IF YOU COME UP TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE SIGN IN THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE YOUR NAME.
FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
SO THE FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A FINAL PLAT.
THE APPLICANT DEC LAND COMPANY, ONE LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF FINAL PLAT 4 62, BUILDING LOTS AND CARRIAGE TRAILS, SECTION TWO, PHASE FIVE, FP 22 DASH 23.
MR. SURREAL, UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS IS A FINAL PLAT FOR KERRY HILL AS WE'VE SEEN MANY PRIOR.
SO HERE IS THE, UH, THE LOCATION HERE, THE EXTENSION OF THESE SECTIONS IN THIS FOLLOWING PHASE.
UH, RECENTLY THIS IS WHERE THE SIMS PROJECT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE PLAT NOT, IT IS EXACTLY AS WAS DESIGNED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT CONTAINING 62 LOTS ON 16.3 ACRES.
UH, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED AUGUST 10TH OF 20 2021.
THE PLAT ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AARON ON THE INSURANCE COMING IN OFF 2 0 1 WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT IS, AND THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVING CENTER.
YEAH, SINCE THIS IS THE FINAL TIME BACK HERE WITH THIS, BE THE TIME TO REQUEST THAT SIDEWALK TO BE CONNECTED SINCE IT'S PUSHING FOOT TRAFFIC OUT ONTO THE ROAD THERE AT THE START AT THE TURN IN.
SO I DID CHAT WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER CITY STAFF ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, SORT OF IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY.
SO THIS ISN'T THE FINAL PLAT THAT'S COMING FORWARD.
UH, KEN AND DEC WILL BE HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMING UP AGAIN FOR OTHER PLATS.
UM, THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING, UH, SOME OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH ALSO DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.
SO, UH, ONCE THAT'S ACQUIRED, UH, THE INTENT IS TO, UH, DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, UH, IF, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT, UM, OUR DISCUSSION WAS THAT HE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PARTICIPATION THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE, TO CONNECT, UH, TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
BUT ISN'T THE SIDEWALK SUPPOSED TO BE CONNECTED AT SOME POINT, I GUESS, WHEN WOULD THAT BE? IT'S THOSE LOTS ARE GOING TO BE TOUGH TO BUILD ON FROM THE SIZE.
SO ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUILDING HERE.
SO NOW THERE WON'T BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SIDEWALKS TO BE CONNECTED OR WOULD, I WOULD JUST LET ME REPHRASE THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE SIDEWALKS TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED.
SO, UM, HE'S GONNA REACH OUT, I THINK WE'LL WORK OUT, UH, TRY TO WORK OUT A MUTUAL AGREEABLE TIMELINE, THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, THE CITY RIGHT AWAY IS HERE AS WELL.
SO I THINK THERE'S REALLY THREE PARTIES THAT NEED TO BE IN THIS DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOTED TO ME.
I, I DROVE THROUGH THERE, WHICH IS FINE FOR THAT PART, BUT I SEE PARENTS WITH STROLLERS HAVING TO DROP OFF OUT INTO THAT ROADWAY ALL THE TIME.
AND THERE WILL LIKELY THAT THAT INTERSECTION WILL CONTINUE TO GET MORE TRAFFIC AS THESE SPACES ARE BUILT OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JAN? UH, YES, I, CAN YOU PULL UP THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE CUL-DE-SAC YES.
UM, THOSE TWO LOTS ON THE LEFT WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT APPEARS TO GO BACK TO THE DETENTION POND.
IS THAT EASEMENT GOING TO, IS IT GOING TO BE PAVED
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OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IF THEY NEED IT OR IS, IS ACCESS TO THAT DETENTION POND GOING TO BE NECESSARY QUITE OFTEN? SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE, EXCUSE ME, THE DETAILED CIVIL DRAWINGS IN FRONT OF ME, UH, THIS IS LIKELY A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, A PERMANENT DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT WOULD SPAN BETWEEN THOSE THOSE TWO.SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S PIPED, UH, OR WHETHER IT'S A, A SURFACE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
I CAN, I CAN INVESTIGATE THAT FOR YOU.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IT'S IT APPEARS TO BE WIDER THAN SOME OF THE EASEMENTS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE SOME SORT OF ROADWAY WHERE THEY NEED TO TRAVEL ON IT TO GET BACK TO THAT.
CAUSE THAT DETENTION POND IS THE LARGEST ONE IN THIS.
YEAH, IT SHOULD NOT BE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE MAINTENANCE FROM, UH, FROM, UM, THE NORTHERN ROADWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? BUT THOSE UTILITY EASEMENTS ARE OFTEN WIDE IN CASE A TRUCK DOES NEED TO GET BACK THERE FOR REPAIRS.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS? AARON'S A HARD GUY TO FOLLOW.
HE KIND OF LIKE TELLS THE WHOLE STORY AND IT DOESN'T LEAVE ANYTHING FOR ME, BUT I ALWAYS GET TO GIVE YOU THE GOOD PART OF THE REPORT.
1400 HOMES AS OF LAST MONTH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO WE'VE CROSSED THAT THRESHOLD.
UH, WE'VE HAD 83 CLOSINGS THIS YEAR.
WE'RE KIND OF TO THE POINT WHERE INVENTORY'S OUR PROBLEM.
WE HAVE MORE INVENTORY WHEN YOU SELL MORE LOTS AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'LL GET THIS PIECE DEVELOPED.
I'LL BE BACK IN FOR THE LAST DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOUR PROOF SECTION SEVEN, WHERE WE'RE DOING HALF OF THE STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WILL BE PREDICATED ON ANY SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE IN DOING A SECOND PHASE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS, WHICH WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON.
UH, JAN, TO YOUR QUESTION THAT RED BUCKEYE WOULD BE THE POINT OF ACCESS FOR THAT POND.
THAT'S ACTUALLY AN EASEMENT FOR THE, UH, CURB DRAIN OUT OF THE CUL-DE-SAC TO FLOW INTO THAT POND.
AND WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT ACCESS THOSE KIND OF EASEMENT.
THEY'RE JUST WRITTEN IN THE SIDE YARDS AND ARE THERE FOR THE PIPE.
PEOPLE PUT FENCE OVER THEM AND WE GIVE THEM A WARNING THAT THEY'RE ON TOP OF AN EASEMENT, BUT IF IT'S A STORM EASEMENT, WE DON'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM USING IT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THIS ONE AND I'LL SEE YOU IN PROBABLY TWO MONTHS ON SUCH THE SEVEN QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT DEC LAND COMPANY, ONE LLC FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION TWO PHASE FIVE OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT CASE F P 22 DASH 23 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JUNE 4TH, 2022, UH, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO, OKAY.
MS. OP, UH, MAKING THE MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, THE APPLICANT WILL, UH, SUBMIT FINAL MYLARS TO US.
UH, WE WILL ROUTE THEM FOR SIGNATURE AND HE'S GOOD TO GO.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A FINAL PLAT.
THE APPLICANT GENERATIONS CONSTRUCTION LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR 14 BUILDING, LOTS OF CALLUM MIRROR FARMS, SECTION SIX, FP 22 DASH 26, MR. OKAY.
UH, THIS IS FOR A COLUMNAR FARMS. THE LAST SECTION HERE, SECTION SIX, UM, AT THE END HERE, UM, IT IS AGAIN
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A SIMILAR OR ACTUALLY ALMOST EXACTLY A LIKE, I GUESS I SHOULD NOT BE END, BUT THIS NEXT SECTION HERE, UH, IT IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN MARCH.UH, SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO FINAL PLAT OF 14, LOTS ON EIGHT ACRES, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THIS BODY ON MARCH 23RD OR 2021 PLAT ACCURATE REFLECTS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THAT MR. JOE, JUST ONE FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO IN THE FIRE REPORT, IT ASKED ABOUT, UH, BASICALLY MAKES REFERENCE TO THE HOMES EXCEED, UH, 3,600 SQUARE FEET.
PLEASE ADVISE JUST FOR OUR RECORD.
I MEAN, DOES THAT, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN UNFINISHED BASEMENT AND THEN THEY FINISHED THE BASEMENT UP TO THE 3,600 OR OVER, DOES THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AT ALL, OR IS 3,600 SQUARE FEET? JUST LAND SPACE THEY'RE TALKING ANYWAY.
SO IT'S THE LIVING SPACE, UM, BECAUSE YOU COULD GET HOME LESS THAN 3,600 AND FINISH THE BASEMENT.
BUT, BUT TYPICALLY THESE ARE OVERSIZED FIRE PROTECTION ANYWAY.
THEY ALWAYS ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE, SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AT ALL ON THIS CASE? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT THEN, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT GENERATIONS CONSTRUCTION, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION OF THE CALUMNY OR FARMS DEVELOPMENT CASE FP 22 DASH 26 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JUNE 4TH, 2022, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. VARGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO NEXT FOR THE APP.
AGAIN, A NEW MYLARS TO US AND, UH, HE'S GOOD TO GO.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT MELISSA BARRETT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR MINOR CHANGE TO INCREASE THE WALL SIGN AREA BY APPROXIMATELY 60, I WAS ASSUMING THAT'S 60 SQUARE FEET.
60 AT KOHL'S IT'S THE FORA AND THE NORTH PARK CENTER, UH, MC 22 DASH 24.
THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE TO INCREASE THE, UH, THE SIZE OF A WALL SIGN AND COLES.
UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION.
THE KOHL'S IS THE NORTHERN PART OF THE NORTH PARK.
SO THE, UH, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND I APPARENTLY FORGOT TO WRITE IN, UH, IT IS, UH, REQUESTING 60 SQUARE FOOT.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO ADD 60 SQUARE FOOT BELOW THE EXISTING WALL SIGN, UH, INCREASING THE SIZE FROM A HUNDRED, APPROXIMATELY 192 SQUARE FEET TO 252 SQUARE FEET.
THE NORTH PARK CENTER GUIDELINES ALLOW LARGE TENANTS TO HAVE A MAXIMUM WALL SIGN AREA OF 250 SQUARE FEET FOR ON ANY ONE BUILDING.
UM, BASE, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT THIS SITE, WHILE IT'S TWO FEET OVER IN TOTAL SIGN AREA IS VISUALLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE BUILDING FRONTAGE, UH, AND THE EXISTING SIGNAGE, UH, STAFF OR ME FEEL THAT THIS IS A NEGLIGIBLE OVERAGE AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, THE TOP PICTURE IS THE EXISTING SIGN.
UH, WHAT WOULD BE ADDED? IS THIS A SEPHORA COPY HERE BELOW THE TOP SIGN? UH, THE COPY STAYS AS IS, UH, THIS IS THE 60 OR 60 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, A FEW HOT QUESTIONS FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT PROBABLY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PRESENTER FOR THE OWNER IS, IS SAFARA DID THEY SELL, WHY ARE WE ADDING THIS? SO, UM, I'M NOT A BIG MAKEUP.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE NOW CO-BRANDING IN COLES.
SO THERE IS A LARGE SEPHORA STATION,
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I GUESS, WITHIN THE KOHL'S FAMILY NOW.SO THEY'RE ADDING THAT SECOND BRAND AND YOU MENTIONED IT'S ONLY TWO FEET, BUT I THOUGHT IT SAID 60 FEET, 60 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL, UH, SIGN AREA.
THE LETTERS ARE TWO AND A HALF FEET TALL.
AND WHERE ARE THE TWO FEET COME IN? OH, I'M SORRY.
SO THE OVERAGE, SO RIGHT NOW THE, THIS SIGN ITSELF, THE KOHL'S ITSELF IS 192 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THIS, THE SEPHORA IS 60 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UH, IN TOTAL THIS WILL BE 252 SQUARE FEET IN, IN WALL SIGN AREA, THE NORTH PARK OR YEAH, THE NORTH PARK, UM, SIGN GUIDELINES ALLOW THIS SIZE OF A BUILDING BECAUSE KOHL'S IS ABOUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
UM, ALLOW UP TO 250 SQUARE FEET PER ONE WALL SIGN.
SO IT IS TWO SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE SIGN GUIDELINES.
UM, THAT 1% OVERAGE WE FEEL IS, IS NEGLIGIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS COME BEFORE US BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER IS THE ONE THAT SET THE STANDARDS.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND HOW ARE WE REALLY ALLOWED TO JUST ARBITRARILY CHANGE THEM? YOU ARE.
SO THE SIGN, THE, THE STANDARDS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTER PUD.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE SHOPPING CENTER PUD THAT WERE ADOPTED MANY, MANY TIMES, YEARS AGO.
SO THIS IS REALLY, UH, A, UM, AN EXCEPTION TO THE, THE, THE STANDARDS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE PUD LANGUAGE.
AND I, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE MAKING AN EXCEPTION JUST BECAUSE THEY ASK FOR IT, IS THERE, COULD THEY JUST MAKE THAT SEPHORA SIGN SMALLER, TWO FEET SMALLER OR WHATEVER.
THESE ARE PRETTY STANDARD LETTERING SIZES.
UM, THE INSTALLER IS HERE WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS, BUT SPREADING TWO FEET ACROSS A TWO FOOT REDUCTION ACROSS THE 20 SOME ODD FEET PROBABLY IS A, IS A VERY EXPENSIVE CHANGE IN THE MANUFACTURING VERSUS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 58 SQUARE FEET AND 60 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLY NOTICEABLE.
WE'RE TALKING AN INTERESTING COUPLE INCHES OFF OF EACH LETTER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SIGN MADE.
SO TYPICALLY CORPORATE BRANDS LIKE THIS, THEY'RE ALREADY PRE-MADE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE CLOTHES BEFORE, AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE FORA TO KNOW WHAT THEIR MARKETING PLAN IS OR HAS BEEN.
SO SEPHORA IS SIMPLY A MAKEUP COMPANY.
YOU GO, YOU BUY, THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO SHOW YOU HOW TO DO, PUT YOUR MAKEUP ON IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT, I WAS AT KOHL'S TODAY, YOU LOOK IN THERE, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDING THAT RETAIL SPACE INSIDE OF KOHL'S.
IT'S JUST ANOTHER, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH ANOTHER RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT THAT ALL STRICTLY MAKEUP, AND IT'S ALREADY DONE AT THE BEAVER CREEK COLES AND THE SPRINGFIELD AND SPRINGFIELD.
THANK YOU FOR EDUCATING ME ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF JEFFERY, AND THIS MAY BE OFF TOPIC OF HAIR.
WOULD THIS BE A TIME THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS THE SIGNAGE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF, WHERE THE LIGHTS SEEM TO ALWAYS BE OUT AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE? OR IF WE HAVE SIGNS THAT ARE STARTING TO LOOK DETERIORATED ALONG
THE ZONING HAS BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT WE CAN REINFORCE THAT ISSUE.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE PARKING LOT, THEN TOO, IT'S GETTING, IT'S GETTING THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T WANT TO NEGLECT IT TO WHERE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE IN THE PACKET.
YOU HAVE THE SIGN REFACING ON THE, UH, ON THE SHOPPING CENTER SIGN.
THEY DON'T NEED ANY VARIANCES FOR THAT.
SO I SIGNED INCLUDING THE STAFF REPORT, I WOULD ASSUME WHILE THEY'RE UP THERE ON THEIR CHERRY PICKER, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIX ALL THE LIGHTS IN THE SIGN WHILE THEY'RE UP THERE.
THAT WOULD BE THE PRUDENT THING.
YEAH, HE DID THE LANDSCAPING CUT DOWN.
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SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AS YOU CROSS THE INTERSECTION.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL BE OFF TOPIC HERE.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, JOHN BARRY? UH, JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, CAUSE THEY INSTALLED THE APPLICANT.
COULD YOU SIGN IN, SIR? THERE SHOULD BE A SIGN IN SHEET THERE IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? QUIET CRAP.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT AND MELISSA BARRETT FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO INCREASE THE WALL SIGN AREA OF KOHL'S AND SEPHORA, UH, AT THE NORTH PARK CENTER, FP 22 DASH 26 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JUNE 4TH, 2022.
IS THERE A MOTION MOTION BY MR. JEFFRIES? IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. STOP SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. THOMAS? YES.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ZONING.
THE APPLICANT HARTMAN ONE LLC REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
REZONING TO PLAN OFFICE PO PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 76, 11 OLD TROY PIKE, ARES THE BDP 22 DASH 13.
UH, THIS IS A APPROVAL OF A REZONING, A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PROPOSED MEDICAL CENTER, UH, ON AN OUTLET, UH, AT THE ROYAL KING FACILITY, UH, JUST UP THE STREET.
UH, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL LAND THAT RURAL KING HAS AGREED TO SELL THE APPLICANT.
CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED, UM, PLANNING, COMMERCIAL, OR SEEKING A REZONING TO PLANT OFFICE, WHICH ALLOWS THE MEDICAL FACILITY.
AS FAR AS THE DETAILS OF THE PROGRAMMING HAS CHANGED, UH, STILL 10,800 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, 10 EXAM ROOMS, ROUGHLY 15 EMPLOYEES.
UM, THIS IS THE SITE RIGHT HERE.
UH, FIFTH, THIRD BANK IS HERE, OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE IS RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE, THE RURAL KING A LOT OR FACILITY.
SO AS FAR AS CASE HISTORY GOES, UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A, OF A SITE PLAN REVISION SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO US.
THIS IS APPROXIMATELY THE FIFTH REVISION, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SINCE ORIGINALLY, UM, INTERACTING WITH THE, THE APPLICANT.
SO BECAUSE OF THOSE REVISIONS COUNCIL HAS, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, REMANDED THE CASE BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO GET YOUR, UH, APPROVAL OR COMMENTS FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
UM, SO YOU HEARD THIS CASE, UH, ORIGINALLY ON APRIL 12TH OF THIS YEAR, THE SITE PLAN WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED TO STAFF, DID NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS ON TAYLORSVILLE.
UH, PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, SITE WAS PUT WITH A WRITING RIGHT OUT ACCESS, UH, ON TAYLORSVILLE, UM, OVER THE, UM, SEWER EASEMENT, WHICH WAS ADJACENT TO FIFTH, THIRD BANK, A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, UM, PROXIMITY TO THE LOCATION, WHETHER THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
UH, REALLY THE BULK OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS REALLY THE LOCATION OF THAT CURB CUT AND CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND HOW THAT WILL FUNCTION, UH, WITHIN, UH, TAYLORSVILLE.
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MOVED ON TO, UM, THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION.THE SITE WAS, UH, WAS A REVISED SITE PLAN, WAS A REVISED AGAIN.
UH, THE APPLICANT MOVED THE BUILDING FURTHER WEST, UH, AWAY FROM FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SEWER EASEMENT, SO THAT IF, UH, THERE WAS CONSTRUCTION OR REPAIRS THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR, THE BUILDING WASN'T SITTING SO CLOSE TO THAT EASEMENT, WHICH PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, PROBLEMATIC.
UH, AND ALSO THE ACCESS POINT WAS SHIFTED TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
SO IF YOU WATCHED THE, UH, COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL ABOUT THAT CURB CUT LOCATION, UM, AND CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF TAYLORSVILLE.
AND SO YOU HAD THE RURAL KING CURB CUT, THEN THIS CURB CUT, THEN FIFTH, THIRD CURB CUT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE THE SANDWICH SHOP.
AND THERE WAS JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WASN'T WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC CONFLICTS THAN, UM, CURRENTLY EXIST.
UM, THERE DID NOT SEEM TO BE GENERAL AGREEMENT OR A CONSENSUS THAT THIS WAS A GOOD USE OF THIS SITE, BUT THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW WITH THAT CURB CUT BEING IN THAT LOCATION WAS PROBLEMATIC.
THE APPLICANT AFTER HEARING THAT CONVERSATION HAS A REVISED TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, AND HAS WORKED WITH A RURAL KING TO BASE IT, TO USE THEIR EXISTING CURB CUT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE RURAL KING BUILDING.
ADDITIONALLY, THE GROUND SIGN IS GOING TO BE RELOCATED OR PROPOSED TO BE RELOCATED TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, AND THIS REVISED SITE PLAN, I THINK, SHOULD ADDRESS THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ACCESS CONCERNS.
THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT IF THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, ALIGNING BETTER ALIGNMENT OF THE ACCESS OF A TAYLORSVILLE AND ALIGNING THE TWO DRIVEWAY MOUSE ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THIS REVISED SITE PLAN DOES ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
AT SOME POINT WHEN THE RURAL KING, THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER GETS A REDEVELOPED.
SO THIS IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, THERE ARE NO EXISTING, THE CURB CUTS ALONG TAYLORSVILLE HAVE, UH, ARE REALLY REPRESENT EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE ACCESS TO THE THIRD BAG.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CURB CUT, UM, TO THE WORLD KING.
SO IT WILL USE THAT ACCESS, UH, PATIENTS WILL, UH, COME IN TRAVEL PARALLEL TO TAYLORSVILLE AND THEN ENTER THE FACILITY FROM EITHER THE WEST OR FROM THE NORTH, AS ORIGINALLY AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESCRIBED.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN ABOUT A 10TH OF AN ACRE ADDED TO THE SITE, WHICH ALLOWS THE, UH, THE SITE TO MEET ALL OF THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, UH, PRESCRIBED BY THE ZONING CODE.
SO THIS IS THE NEW SITES SUPERIMPOSED ONTO THE EXISTING, UH, PARKING LOT AREA OF RURAL KING.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GET CLEANED UP AND IN ACCESS THIS SITE.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A CONFORMANCE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS FOR THE BASIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW, THIS IS A PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE IN THE, UM, PLANNED OFFICE DISTRICT, UH, FOR A 15 FOOT BUFFER YARD IS NOW PROVIDED IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
UM, SITE PLAN GENERALLY MEETS THE CHAPTER 1181 GENERAL PROVISIONS.
UH, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS, UM, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, MECHANICAL STRAINING STREET TREES.
THOSE ARE NOT SHOWN IN THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, PROPOSAL YET.
UM, THE, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING, THERE ARE AREAS FOR, UH, PARKING LOT SCREENING AND AREAS FOR LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THE, UM, PARKING A LOADING IS MET, UM, THE USE AS IT'S DESIGNED AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF, UH, UM, PATIENT ROOMS REQUIRES 45 SPACES.
50 ARE ILLUSTRATED ON THIS BASIC, UH, SITE PLAN.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS WORKING WITH RURAL KING TO GET THE FINAL ACCESS AGREEMENT LANGUAGE, UH, ALONG THAT TAYLORSVILLE FRONTAGE, SO THAT THERE IS PERPETUAL ACCESS, UM, THAT, THAT OCCURS WITH THIS SITE.
UM, AS FAR AS REQUIREMENTS WITH, UH, WITH SIGNAGE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIGNS, UH, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING A LITTLE BIT AT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
UM, SO NO SIGNAGE UPDATES WERE RECEIVED BY US YET AS FAR, EXCEPT WITH THE, UH, NEW LOCATION OF THE GROUND STEIN
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FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE TO THE WEST SIDE, UH, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS AN EIGHT FOOT TALL BROWN SIGN THAT WAS PROPOSED, AND THE REASON IT WAS EIGHT FOOT WAS BECAUSE OF THE GREAT CHANGE BETWEEN FIFTH THIRD AND THIS SITE, AND THE CONCERN ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE IT AS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, DOWNHILL BEING ON THE FAR WEST END OF THAT SITE.NOW, I THINK THAT ELIMINATES THAT ISSUE AND, UH, SHOULD NEGATE THE NEED FOR SUCH A TALL SIGN.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED TO US, OR TO ME THAT A SIGNED PACKAGE WILL BE SUBMITTED SEPARATELY.
UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETING IN APRIL ABOUT THE KIND OF THE WALL SIGNS.
AND SO THEY WERE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, TWO EMERGENCY SIGNS, UM, ONE ABOVE, UH, CANOPY SIGN ALONG WITH, UH, THREE CORPORATE BRANDING LOGOS ON THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH EXEMPTING, UH, THE, UH, EMERGENCY, UH, AMBULANCE, UH, SIGNS AS FAR AS JUST, JUST CONSIDERING THEM DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND NOT COUNTING THEM TOWARDS THE TOTAL WALL SIGN, UM, CALCULATION.
SO, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF OBJECTIONS, MY RECOMMENDATION IS INCLUDES THAT.
SO, UM, STAFF FEELS AT THE STANDARDS THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED SITE PLAN, GIVEN THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WE FEEL THAT THE STANDARDS OF, UH, 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET, AND THEREFORE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING TO PLANNED OFFICE AND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THERE'LL BE STREET TREES, EVERY 40 FEET ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, THAT THEN THE APP KIT WILL COMPLY WITH THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT WEREN'T SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO SCREENING OF SERVICES, LIGHTING STANDARDS, LANDSCAPING, UH, THE WALL AND CANOPY SIGNS SHOULD BE SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON APRIL 12TH.
WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY SIGN, THE AMBULANCE SIGN, AND THE THREE CORPORATE LOGOS, UM, GROUND SIGNS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN AS USUAL, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. MARGO IS THIS NOT CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING? SO NOT REALLY.
UM, SO IT'S SURROUNDED BY SIMILAR TYPE OF, OF USES.
SO OFFICE COMMERCIAL, IT'S SURROUNDED BY, WELL, SO THIS IS ZONED, UH, COMMERCIAL HERE.
UH, THIS IS MIXED USE, WHICH WILL HAVE A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND POTENTIAL OFFICE USES.
YOU'VE GOT THE ABC CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS OFFICE AND RETAIL.
SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS A LOT OF THE USES IN THE PLANNED OFFICE DISTRICT ARE ALSO ALLOWED IN THE PLAIN COMMERCIAL.
THE EXCEPTION IS FOR WHATEVER REASON, MEDICAL USES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
I THINK THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT, BUT IN WHEN THE CODE WAS DRAFTED, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT, THAT, THAT REZONING IS BEING, UM, CONSIDERED IF THIS WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THERE WAS NOTHING SURROUNDING IT, IT WASN'T ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
IT WASN'T PART OF A LARGER COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
THEN I THINK WE WOULD BE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE ZONING, BUT THIS IS SURROUNDED BY, UH, COMMERCIAL INSTITUTIONAL, UH, AND OFFICE USES.
I DON'T KNOW, I'VE JUST HAD A BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THIS FROM THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S BEEN SHOEHORNED IN TO A VERY SMALL AREA.
AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE REZONING BECAUSE IN MY HEAD, IT IS INDEED SPOT ZONING SINCE THERE IS NO OTHER, UH, PLANNED OFFICE.
WHERE'S THE NEXT CLOSEST PLANNED OFFICE ZONING, UH, FURTHER DOWN ON A OLD TRAY PIPE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PLANNED OFFICE.
UM, MOST OF THIS AREA IS, IS COMMERCIAL RETAIL, RIGHT? AND CERTAINLY YOU HAVE FAR FAR MORE PLANNING EXPERIENCE THAN I DO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS REZONING INTO THIS PARTICULAR SMALL.
NO, I, I, I DON'T, UH, NECESSARILY ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER OUTLET THAT THAT WOULD BE BUILT AS PART OF A LARGER PLAN, A SHOPPING CENTER DESIGN.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE RETROFITTING A 1950 SHOPPING CENTER IN 1960 SHOPPING CENTER WITH, YOU KNOW, OUT LOTS THAT TODAY WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN PARCELED OUT.
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I GUESS IT'S THE USE THAT IS, UH, INCONSISTENT AND IN MY MIND, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S A BETTER USE FOR COMMERCIAL OR FOR BUSINESS.AND, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY HAD A HARD TIME MAKING THIS FIT IN HERE.
AND MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE, UH, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM MOVING THE SIGN AND DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ASKED THEM, BUT USE PERSPECTIVE.
I WAS JUST SAYING FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS A LOW TRAFFIC, UM, COMPARED TO OTHER RETAIL USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE PLANT COMMERCIAL.
SO IF ANYTHING, IT'S A DOWNSIDE ZONING OF THIS 1.2 ACRES SHOP, UM, THE AREA WHERE THERE THEY ENTER AT RURAL KING ENTRANCE THERE, UM, THAT SECTION GOING FROM THAT ENTRANCE UP TO MEETING THE PAVEMENT, UM, WHERE YOU'RE ENTERING THEIR PROPERTY, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE TODAY I WENT OVER THERE TO JUST LOOK AT IT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST REALLY LOOKS BAD, BUT, BUT IS THIS GOING TO BE SET ASIDE IN THE, THIS, THIS SECTION BE SET ASIDE FOR JUST THEM, WOULDN'T IT WHEN THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BUFFER ON IT, MAYBE TO THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS TO.
SO I THINK THE APPLICANT IS BEST TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, WE'VE ONLY SEEN POTENTIAL DRAWINGS OF THE ONE POINT THAT THE ACTUAL AREA THAT'S BEING REZONED, RIGHT.
THEY HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RURAL KING FOR THE BEGINNING ON THIS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT QUESTION SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THEM.
I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD, IT SHOULD LOOK ATTRACTIVE AND THE NICE TRANSITION AREA, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, UM, PERMANENT ACCESS AGREEMENTS BETWEEN, UH, ALONG THIS, THIS CORRIDOR.
UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT YET, BUT AGAIN, THIS, I THINK THAT CAN, CAN WAIT TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THERE, I THINK THERE'S STILL HASHING.
I THINK THE ATTORNEYS ARE STILL HASHING THAT OUT.
SO I, I AGREE WITH YOU, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT THAN I WOULD BE IF THIS WERE THE DETAILED STAGE.
AND WE WERE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO ERIN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND THIS MIGHT BE, UM, UNDER A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
SO WE HAVE THIS, THIS NICE MEDICAL CENTER GOING IN THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF RURAL CANE.
SO WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO, WHAT'S BEING DONE TO KIND OF CONTROL THAT, THAT VIOLATION OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE FROM RURAL KING.
SO I KNOW THAT, UM, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN COPIED INTO ALL OF THESE EMAILS, THERE HAS BEEN A LENGTHY EMAIL CHAIN BETWEEN, UH, THE CITY AND RURAL KING'S CORPORATE COUNCIL, UH, AS WELL AS THE LOCAL STORE MANAGER TO ADDRESS, UM, THAT LARGE EXPANSION OF, OF OUTDOOR STORAGE.
THAT IS, THAT IS NOT APPROVED.
SO, UM, I'LL SAY THE TONE OF THE RESPONSE BACK FROM RURAL KING, IF I CATEGORY OR COULD CHARACTERIZE IT IS POLITELY DISMISSIVE.
SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ESCALATED TO THE, TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS WORKING OUT, IT'S IN THE PROCESS, IT'S NOT MOVING AS FAST AS ALL OF US WOULD HAVE HOPED.
MR. JEFFERY'S I GUESS ON THAT, WON'T AT SOME POINT WON'T THIS NEED A LOT OF SPLIT.
UM, THERE WILL BE A, UH, UH, UH, A REPLANTING OF THIS AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT.
SO WOULDN'T RURAL KING WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO NOT BE IN VIOLATION, TO REQUEST A LOT SPLIT INSTEAD OF HAVING HELD UP BECAUSE THEY'RE IN VIOLATION AT THE TIME.
SO THE RURAL KING DOESN'T NEED TO SIGN OFF ON THE LOT SPLIT IF THE SALES AGREEMENT HAS, HAS GONE THROUGH, BUT THE CITY DOES, WE HAVE TO VOTE TO DO THE LOT SPLIT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN VIOLATION.
AND NONCOOPERATIVE WHY WOULD WE DO THAT AT THAT TIME? SO I'LL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THE, THE, THE, THAT THERE'S A, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO OVER STATE WHAT I THINK IS OUR CURRENT GOOD TO FOLLOW UP ON SOPS QUESTION ABOUT THE ENTRY AS WE COME IN.
I THINK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK IT SHOWED THE OVERHEAD WITH THE PARKING LOT.
SO I HAD THOUGHT I WAS ACTUALLY AT THE WORK SESSION.
I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL WAS TO GET A, KIND OF A DUAL ENTRANCE WHERE YOU TURN IN AND ONE WAY TAKES YOU TO RURAL
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KING.AND THEN YOU TURN IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT.
THAT TAKES YOU STRAIGHT INTO THIS PLACE THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE THAT DEDICATED DRIVE LANE.
THIS LOOKS LIKE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO USE AN EASEMENT THROUGH THEIR STORAGE OR PARKING.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT A CONTINGENCY OF THE APPROVAL THAT, THAT IS A, AN ENTRY LANE, NOT AN EASEMENT THROUGH A PARKING OR STORAGE AREA.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED TO, TO WHAT THE MECHANISM OR THE LANGUAGES WE HAVE YET TO SEE WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS FOR THAT.
SO THE APPLICANTS HERE, I THINK THEY COULD BE ADDRESSED.
AND THEN, YEAH, CAUSE I HAD THAT HIGHLIGHTED, I'M LESS CONCERNED THAT AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, I'M OKAY WITH CALLING IT THE DUCK.
UM, AND WHETHER IT IS A, A PERMANENT EASEMENT OR A, UM, YOU KNOW, A CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT, IT THAT'S FINE.
THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND SHOPPING CENTERS.
UH, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.
NOW IT WOULD BE IN THEIR INTEREST TO CONTROL THAT AS WE SEE HOW, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION TO MAKE.
I JUST, I'M SURE THEY DON'T WANT TO NOT HAVE CONTROL OF THE LANE THAT THE AMBULANCE MIGHT HAVE TO COME THROUGH AS MY THOUGHT.
AND THEN IS IT NORMAL ALSO IN HERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE EXACT LANGUAGE TO ALLOW THE ACCESS THROUGH THE PARKING AREA? IS THAT NORMAL FOR US TO PUT AN APPROVAL OUT WITHOUT THAT LANGUAGE BEING AGREED UPON? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT'S FINE TO DO IT NOW, BUT AT THE DETAILED STAGE, IT'S FINE TO DO IT NOW AT THE DETAILED STAGE WOULD I WOULD BE WANTING TO MAKE SURE TO, IS THAT SOMEHOW THE CITY DOES NOT GET ROPED INTO ENFORCING THAT THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT A PARTY TO THIS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T CAUSE US TO BE A PARTY TO THAT.
SO AT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT STAGE OR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, UM, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MAKING SURE THEY HAVE CONTROL OF THAT LANE.
CAUSE I KNOW LAST TIME WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT HAVING A CUT IN WITH DIRECT ACCESS FROM TAYLORSVILLE FOR THE AMBULANCE WAS IMPORTANT AND WE'RE GOING AWAY FROM THAT, I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS THE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING TO BLOCK THAT LANE EVEN ACCIDENTALLY.
I MEAN, AN AMBULANCE IS COMING IN, THEY'RE GOING TO PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO BE PARKED, LOOKING AT STACKS AND MULCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I GUESS ONE QUICK QUESTION.
UM, ON, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE LOT THAT ALL THE GREEN SPACE, IS THAT GOING TO BE GRASS, GRASSY AREA? THAT'S OUR EXPECTATION.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DETAIL, CORRECT, BUT THAT IS OUR EXPECTATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
UM, I WAS HERE BACK IN APRIL WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, SINCE THEN, AS ERIN SAID, UM, DONE A GREAT JOB OF HIGHLIGHTING KIND OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE THROUGH YOUR INPUT.
AND THEN ALSO THROUGH COUNSEL'S INPUT.
UM, LET ME ADDRESS THE, UH, THE EASEMENT OR THE ACCESS POINT.
WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR, EXCUSE ME, OUR CLIENT HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH RURAL KING THAT THAT WILL ALWAYS BE UNOBSTRUCTED AND THERE WILL ALWAYS ALWAYS BE ACCESSED THERE.
SO THERE WILL BE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT THROUGH THE RAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UP TO SPEED ON THAT.
BUT AS AARON SAID, UH, THE ATTORNEYS ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT.
UM, AS PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SHARING WITH RURAL KING.
WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AND THEY'VE BEEN COOPERATIVE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN US ANOTHER 0.1 ACRES.
IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, COULD WE GET MORE LAND? AND WE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES, AND FINALLY WE ASKED ANOTHER TIME TO GET GIVING ME THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS GAVE.
UH, AND THEY DID AGREE TO THAT.
SO, UM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH US ON THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON NEXT DOOR AND THE, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, WE KIND OF, WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING ON.
SO THE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS, IS I'VE WORKED WITH RETAILERS BEFORE, LIKE HOME DEPOT AND LOWE'S.
AND, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SO MANY OBSTRUCTIONS, THIS DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE TOO MUCH, AS FAR AS SELLING OUT LOTS.
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MAYBE, UM, THEY MIGHT JUST SAY, HEY, LISTEN, WE DON'T NEED TO SELL IT, BUT THAT'S NOT A THREAT.I I'VE JUST WORKED WITH, UH, I DID A DEAL AND PICK WHAT THE SAME SORT OF THING HAPPENED WITH HOME DEPOT AND IT JUST DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHAT TO DO THERE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE, I GUESS, DOING WITH THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL.
SO I CAN BRING IT UP TO THEM IF YOU WANT.
BUT, UM, W IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN HERE MULTIPLE TIMES AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS EVEN BEFORE YOU GUYS CAME IN.
SO THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BROUGHT UP IN HERE.
RIGHT? I GUESS ON MY SIDE WHERE I SAY, WHY WOULD WE APPROVE THAT IS FOR ME, IF SOMEBODY IS BEING RELATIVELY DISMISSIVE OF POLITE REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, TO FIX SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF, THEN WHY WOULD WE VOTE TO LET THEM PUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKET BY MAKING A SALE IS IN, NOT THAT, NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU GUYS AS A PARTNER IN THE, IN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THAT I'M SAYING, IT'S SOMETHING WHERE I THINK THEY KNOW, HEY, IT'S A BENEFIT FOR US TO GET THIS WORKED OUT WITH YOU GUYS.
BUT AT SOME POINT THEY NEED TO PONY UP AND, YOU KNOW, GET WITHIN THEIR OWN STANDARDS, PLEASE RESPOND.
CAUSE THEY, THEY AGREED TO THE STANDARDS AND HAVE EXPANDED WELL BEYOND IT AND HAVE ZERO CONCERN OF FIXING IT BY THE ACTIONS IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK OF ANYTHING DISMISSIVE OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO.
IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE REFUSING TO DO AND HAVE THEY'VE.
UM, AS I SAID, THEY'VE STEPPED UP ON AT LEAST THIS PROJECT AS FAR AS SOME OF THE DEMANDS.
SO, UM, I CAN BRING IT UP TO HIM FOR SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT AGAIN? MS. OP, YEAH.
ON THIS, UH, PATH THAT GOES FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY, HOW WIDE IS THAT? HOW, HOW WIDE IS YOUR AREA? 24 FEET, 24 FEET WIDE.
WILL YOU BE MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS TO YOUR PROPERTY? WILL YOU BE PUTTING BUFFERS AROUND OR WHAT, AND THAT'S YEAH.
THAT'S NOT THAT WON'T BE A PART OF OUR PROPERTY, SO, CORRECT.
AND YOUR TREES THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON WOULD NOT BE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT, CORRECT? IT WOULD BE ON IT.
THEY'D BE ON OUR PROPERTY AS FARGO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE GREEN SPACE AROUND YOUR PROPERTY.
IS THAT GOING TO BE GRASSY AREA? I BELIEVE SO.
AND AS THE PROJECT MANAGER, UH, MY NAME IS TODD KINDLEBERGER I'M WITH APP ARCHITECTURE OR, UH, WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE, ON THE PROJECT.
UM, YES, THE GRAPH, THE, THE, THE GREEN AREA REPRESENTS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
WE WILL, IT WILL BE GRASSY AREA.
IT'LL BE PLANTINGS OF TREES AND WHATNOT THAT MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS MEAN WE ARE INTENDING TO PROVIDE THE, UH, NUMBER OF TREES AND, AND, AND, UH, LANDSCAPE BARRIERS AND WHATEVER ARE NEEDED TO DO OUR SCREENING.
SO, SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
SO IT IS TO DRESS UP THE AREA, THE AREA BETWEEN THE BANK AND THE, AND OUR CENTER IS ACTUALLY A FAIRLY STEEP SLOPE.
AND THEN IT WILL BE ALSO ANOTHER FAIRLY STEEP SLOPE, UM, ON THE OPPOSING SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, DOWN TOWARDS THE, UH, THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR CURRENT LAY-DOWN, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO, SO THERE'LL BE TWO, TWO SLOPE BURMESE, BUT THEY WILL BE, THEY WILL BE LANDSCAPED AREAS SO THAT PER WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
SO IN SOME WAYS THE SITE SHOULD HELP EVEN SCREEN SOME OF THAT AREA.
AND IT HAS BEEN RE UH, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE IS REDUCED FROM WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF USING CURRENTLY.
SO WE NORMALLY, SO WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT THEY DO, BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFERY IS NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS, MORE STATEMENT, I GUESS, I'M, I'M GOING TO STRUGGLE AT THE DETAILED PHASE IF WE HAVE NO RESOLUTION WITH RURAL KING ON, ON THIS STUFF.
I MEAN, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S KNOW FOR, I MEAN, NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A YES OR NO, BUT I, I JUST REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING SURE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE IGNORED EVERYTHING,
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NOT YOU GUYS THAT THEY'VE IGNORED EVERYTHING.UM, THAT'D BE JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, I MEAN, I SAID THAT AT THE LAST TIME WHEN IT WAS HERE IN APRIL AS WELL, SO THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.
HOPEFULLY THAT RURAL KING JUST DECIDES TO DO WHAT'S WHAT'S RIGHT.
GO FROM THERE, BUT JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY'S SURPRISED WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE I KNOW AT THAT POINT, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG AND IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, WHO BLINKS? I THINK SO.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE SURPRISED.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT HARTMAN ONE, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REZONING TO PLANT OFFICE PO TO CONSTRUCT A 10,800 SQUARE FOOT EMERGENCY MEDICAL FACILITY, A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 76, 11 OLD TROY PIKE, SAUTEING CASE R Z BDP 22 DASH 13 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JUNE 14TH, 2022, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO WHEN BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE GO TO THE ROLE.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO WE WILL, UH, WE WILL MOVE THE REVISED, UM, PLAN AND APPROVAL TO THE NET, UH, A MID JULY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, UH, AND, UH, MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD FROM THERE.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, WITH THE BASIC PLAN, BUT I HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE REZONING AND I'M SORRY THAT THEY WERE TOGETHER.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT AS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE BASIC BELMONT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT 135 UNITS, SENIOR COMMUNITY TO CONSTRUCT 135 UNIT SENIOR COMMUNITY, AND A 192 UNIT MARKET RATE COMMUNITY OWNED A COMBINED 15.56 ACRES PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6,209 BRANDT PIKE, BDP 22 DASH 25.
MR. SORROW, WHAT HAVE YOU SET UP? OKAY.
SO, UH, THIS IS BBD 22 DASH 25.
UH, THIS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 130 UNITS, SENIOR COMMUNITY, AND A 192 UNIT MARKET RATE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND YOU HEARD THE INFORMAL PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO BEFORE W BEFORE I GET INTO THIS, LET ME JUST LAY OUT KIND OF THE, SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS THROWN AROUND, GO IN MY OTHER LIFE, BESIDES BEING THE INTERIM PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, PLANNING PLANNER, CITY PLANNER.
I ALSO DO HOUSING STUDIES, UM, FOR COMMUNITIES.
AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, INCOMES ARE RELATED TO HOUSEHOLDS, WE GROUP THEM IN AREA MEDIAN INCOMES ARE AMI.
SO WE GROUP HOUSEHOLDS, BOTH RENTER AND OWNER OCCUPIED ZERO TO 30, 30 TO 50, 50 TO SIX 50 TO 80, 80 TO A HUNDRED, A 100 TO ONE 20 AND UP, IT'S JUST A WAY TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE AN AREA OF PR PRELIMINARY MARKET AREA OR A PRIMARY MARKET AREA WITH THE LARGER COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE AMI, UH, DISCUSSION CAME ABOUT WAS FROM THEIR MARKET STUDY THAT SHOWED X NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO EARN A HUNDRED PERCENT AMI LIVE HERE, ET CETERA.
THIS IS THE TARGET RENTS THAT'S UP.
UH, THIS IS A 192 UNIT IS A MARKET RATE COMMUNITY, UH, TERMINOLOGY THAT I USE.
SO THAT MEANS THERE'S NO INCOME RESTRICTIONS ON WHO LIVED LIFTS THERE.
IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, YOU CAN MOVE IN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SET THAT, UH, SET THAT TONE BEFORE WE STARTED.
SO THIS IS A 15.56 ACRES IT'S ZONED, UM, PLAN MIXED USE, UM, IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THE APPLICANT WANTED TO, OR THE APPLICANT INDICATED THEY WERE GOING TO REZONE
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THIS TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.UH, WE'VE SINCE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT, UM, IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE PLAN MIXED USE.
SO THERE'S NO REASON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REZONING.
SO WE ARE JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND NOT THE REZONING.
UM, SO IT IS ZONE PLANNED MIXED USE WITH THE BRANT PIKE REVITALIZATION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
ON TOP OF IT, UM, SITE IS VACANT LAND, UH, TO THE WEST IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
ZONED ARE FOUR TO THE NORTH IS MORE PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER, UH, TO THE NORTH TO THE EAST IS PLAN MIXED USE.
UM, THE LIBRARY THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND TO THE SOUTH IS A MIXTURE OF B3 AND PLANNED PUBLIC, UH, USE THE, THE POST OFFICE IS THERE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER, UM, UH, BUILT, UH, BUSINESSES.
SO AGAIN, THE RECODING RE REZONING REQUESTS I'M CONSIDERING IF IT WAS AN AIR.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN AIR, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
UM, AND SO WE'RE MOVING, TAKING THAT OUT OFF THE TABLE.
IT'S THE, THE BACK 15 ACRES OF, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THE LIBRARY IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS WILL BE THE NEIGHBOR AND YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
UM, THE, UH, GRANT PIKE TARGET REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY THIS BODY IN 2017.
UH, IN THAT DOCUMENT, THEY IDENTIFY THE NEED FOR, UH, BOTH SENIOR AND MARKET RATE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN THE AREA.
THERE WAS A NEED FOR, UH, SENIOR HOUSING BECAUSE THE, UH, FOR AGING AND THERE'S A NEED FOR QUALITY HOUSING FOR THAT, THAT AGE COHORT, THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR AN UNTAPPED NEED OR DEMAND FOR A HIGHER INCOME MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
UH, SO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS TRYING TO STRIKE, UH, BOTH OF THOSE.
SO THE CITY DID PURCHASE THIS FORMER SHOPPING CENTER, UH, TO FACILITATE ITS REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE HUBER HEIGHTS BRANCH LIBRARY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, DOGTOWN.
UH, WE ARE HOPING THAT THE SH UH, SHOPPING CENTER WILL GET A FACADE UPGRADES.
THERE ARE COST ESTIMATES THAT, AND DRAWINGS THAT ARE UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW TO, TO REPHASE THAT SHOPPING CENTER TO IMPROVE, UH, ITS LOOK AND MARKETABILITY.
UM, PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS USING TIF TO HELP FUND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS OF THIS PROJECT WOULD, UH, GENERATE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO DO SOME OF THE PUBLIC, UH, IMPROVEMENTS IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THE MASTER PLAN IS, UH, HAS EVOLVED SOMEWHAT.
UM, BUT THIS IS AS FAR AS THE, THE MARION MEADOWS, UH, THE BRANT PIKE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, THIS, THIS AREA, AS FAR AS THE MASTER PLAN, UH, THIS IS THE 192 UNIT, UH, MARKET RATE HOUSING.
THE SENIOR FACILITY IS THE SHOPPING CENTER OVER HERE.
THAT WILL BE, UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE UPGRADED, UH, THE SHOWS, THE LIBRARY THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER OFFICE, UH, BUILDING TO BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, KIND OF ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, AND THEN SOME OTHER PUBLIC CIVIC SPACE THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, A SENIOR CENTER OR SOME OTHER FACILITY FACILITY, THOSE USES HAVEN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED, BUT, UM, THAT IS PART OF, UH, THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE THESE TWO FACILITIES ON THE WEST EDGE, UM, JUST FOR, LET'S SEE.
YEAH, THERE IS A UTILITY EASEMENT THAT SPANS THIS WESTERN EDGE.
IT'S, UH, AES HAS SOME OVERHEAD POWER LINES THAT RUN THROUGH HERE.
SO THERE ARE SOME CONSTRAINTS TO SOME OF THE BUFFERING THAT COULD TAKE PLACE BACK THERE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE US HAS THE ABILITY TO CLEAR SOME LINES.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY UTILITIES THAT WILL REMAIN ABOVE GROUND.
EVERYTHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ALL BE PLACED BELOW GROUND THERE.
UM, THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSING, UM, THERE'S TWO, TWO ISSUES HERE.
UM, SO THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING, UH, SOME BUFFERING, UH, ABOUT 37 FEET BETWEEN THE GARAGES THAT THEY WOULD BE CONSTRUCTING, UH, AND THE BACK FENCE OF THE NEIGHBORS ADJACENT OF IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST, UM, BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE GARAGE AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS ABOUT 150 FEET GIVE OR TAKE, UM, AT THE END.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING FIVE FOOT MOUNDING, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, VEGETATION, UM, HEDGES AND, UH, EVERGREENS TO, TO HELP WITH THAT BUFFERING, UH, ALONG WITH
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A POTENTIAL FENCE THAT RUNS, UH, THE SPAN OF THE PROPERTY LINE, THE, IN THE PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT, THERE IS NO HEIGHT LIMIT FOR, FOR STRUCTURES.HOWEVER, THE, UM, BRAND PIPE OVERLAY DISTRICT HAS A THREE STORY OR 35 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION.
SO THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT DOES, UM, SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A THREE-STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, BOTH THE SENIOR AND THE MARKET RATE THAT AT THE PEAK OF THE ROOF IS 44 FEET.
UM, ON THE MARKET RATE SIDE, THE ENCAPSULATES OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE REAR ARE TWO STORIES.
SO THERE IS A VARIATION IN HEIGHT TO HELP, UH, SORT OF REDUCE THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST.
UM, I DO WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING HAS NO HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, BUT THE, UH, THE OVERLAID DOES, UM, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT BASICALLY YOU WAIVE THAT, THAT HEIGHTENED REQUIREMENT.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, MY STAFF REPORT IS PRETTY LONG, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY EVERYTHING, BUT I'LL HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE FOR YOU.
UM, THE PROPOSED USES ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 40% OPEN SPACE THAT'S BEING, UM, CONTEMPLATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THERE IS A 37 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE WEST, AS I MENTIONED, AND THE BACK OF THE GARAGE IS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, 25 FEET IS WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
SO THE DEVELOPER, I THINK, IS MOVING THE MARKET RATE HOUSING FASTER OR FORWARD QUICKER THAN THE SENIOR.
UM, BUT IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SIDEWALKS ARE NOT ILLUSTRATED FOR THE SENIOR BUILDING.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT SIDEWALKS BE INCLUDED ALONG THE STREET.
FRONTAGE IS FOR, FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE WALKABILITY MOBILITY, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, THAT NEED OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT INCLUDED, UM, NOT INCLUDED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, AND LIGHTING PLANS.
THOSE WILL COME THROUGH, UH, DURING THE DETAILED PROCESS, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING SECTION.
AGAIN, A LAMP LANDSCAPING PLAN HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED.
HOWEVER, IN THE PLANNED MIXED USE DISTRICT, THERE IS A BUFFER REQUIREMENT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND, UM, AND NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS HAVE A SIX FOOT MOUND WITH A FENCE.
UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING GO BACK TO THE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT FENCE IN MOUND ESSENTIALLY BE WAIVED.
WE THINK THAT WOULD, THAT REALLY DOESN'T ADD TO THE CHARACTER OR THE WALKABILITY THAT WITHOUT WALLS OFF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT, UH, LANDSCAPE CLUSTERS AND STREET TREES BE PROVIDED, UH, ALONG THIS FRONTAGE.
UM, THESE FOLKS DON'T WANT TO LIVE BEHIND A GRASP MOUND, UM, THAT SHOULD NOT BE THEIR FRONT DOOR.
UH, WE WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, EYES OUT ON THE STREET ACCESS BETWEEN WITH THE WALKWAYS.
SO, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT, THAT BE WAIVED AS FAR AS PARKING GOES.
THE, THE CODE REQUIRES TWO SPACES PER MULTI-FAMILY UNIT, THE NON-SENIOR FACILITY OF THE 192 MARKET RATE UNITS HAS 1.94 SPACES PER UNIT.
UM, THE SENIOR FACILITY ONLY HAS ONE SPACE PER UNIT.
THAT'S COMMON FOR SENIOR DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, THERE ARE LESS CARS, THERE ARE LESS DRIVERS.
UM, THERE ARE JUST LESS NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS PER HOUSEHOLD THAT LIVE IN A, A SENIOR FACILITY TO STAFF FEELS THAT THIS, UH, ONE SPACE PER UNIT FOR THE SENIOR FACILITY IS ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, THERE IS PLENTY OF SPACE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL ROW IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT WERE EVER NEEDED.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NECESSARY TO SACRIFICE THAT GREEN SPACE, UM, FOR A ROW OF PARKING, THAT'S LIKELY TO GO ON USED AS FAR AS THE BRAND PIPE REVITALIZATION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I, HAVEN'T ONLY BEEN DOING THIS FOR SEVEN MONTHS HERE.
I'M NOT, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE PROJECT THAT'S COMING UNDER.
THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT I'VE SEEN.
I'M NOT SURE IF OTHERS HAVE, BUT READING THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE BPO.
UM, I DO THINK THAT WHEN YOU READ
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THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF THE OVERLAY ISSUING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON TOP OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IS CONFUSING AND UNNECESSARY.UM, THIS IS ALREADY A PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE.
DON'T ADD CONDITIONAL PERMITS ON TOP OF A PERMITTED USE.
SO, UM, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THERE'D BE NO MENTION OF THIS CONDITIONAL RE UH, PERMIT.
I THINK IT WILL BE CONFUSING FOR THE NEXT ME IN 10 YEARS, THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS.
UH, AND WE JUST ROLL ALL OF THE APPROVALS UNDER THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE, UM, UH, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THAT FUTURE POINT IN TIME, AS I MENTIONED, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT HAS A HEIGHT LIMIT OF THREE STORIES.
THESE ARE THREE STORIES AT THE, AT THE HIGHEST, BUT, UH, IT IS 44 FEET AT ITS PEAK VERSUS 35.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAIVE THAT NINE FOOT DIFFERENCE.
UM, 35 FEET IS, IS LOW FOR, FOR A THREE STORY BUILDING.
THEY JUST, YOU JUST DON'T GET THEM THAT, THAT SHORT, UM, THE BRAND PIKE OVERLAY DISTRICT ALSO, UH, STATES THAT SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET.
WE FEEL THAT THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET WITH, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY, IMPAIRMENTS, OR WALKERS AND KIDS AND PARENTS WITH STROLLERS FOUR FEET, I MEAN, TWO PEOPLE, MY SIZE WALKING DOWN FOUR FEET IS DIFFICULT.
UH, SO FIVE FEET, UM, IS THE MINIMUM.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SIX FEET OVERALL AS A CITY, BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, FIVE FEET WE THINK IS, IS ADEQUATE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE ZONING CODE, THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, AND THERE IS A FOUR-SIDED ARCHITECTURE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING JUST A, A FRONT STONE FACADE AND VINYL ON THE BACK.
THERE IS A WRAP AROUND, UM, ALL OF THE ALL FOUR SIDES.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, THE DETAILS THAT WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED DURING THE DDL DEVELOPMENT PHASE INCLUDE SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, UM, STAFF FEELS THAT THE STANDARDS OF APPROVAL OUTLINED IN 70, OR EXCUSE ME, 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET.
UH, AND THEN WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPED PLAN WITH THESE NINE CONDITIONS.
I'LL READ THEM OUT LOUD IF YOU WANT, BUT OTHERWISE, OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME, MR. JEFFREY'S SORRY.
THE SIDEWALKS FOR THE SENIOR LIVING AREA THAT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT ALONG THE MAIN FUTURE ROAD, BUT WOULDN'T IT FROM A CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT, WOULDN'T THEY NEED IT LIKE TO, AND AROUND THE SENIOR COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, SO THE FRONT DOOR IS HERE, UM, THE CONNECTIVITY HERE, AND THEN ALONG THIS FUTURE, UM, MAIN ROAD, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT A MINIMUM, IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
UM, BUT YES, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONNECTIVITY.
SO W I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T, CAUSE I'M THINKING LIKE THE PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
I MEAN, SOME OF THEIR EXERCISE MIGHT JUST BE TAKING A WALK AROUND THAT BUILDING.
I, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, W WE'LL YOU CAN WORK OUT WALKWAYS, UH, AROUND THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE DETAILED PLAN.
UH, I AM MAINLY CONCERNED THAT WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CONNECTED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THIS ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A GAP.
I JUST WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER ALSO, WHICH JUST SEEMED NOT IN HIS HEAD.
AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR, UM, DEVELOPER.
UM, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
WHAT'S THE LONGEVITY BEFORE THE MARKET RATE ACTUALLY DECLINES FOR THE RENT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YOU'RE CHARGING BASED ON MARKET RATE, YOU KNOW, 1500 TO $2,000 A UNIT, BUT WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF THAT MARKET RATE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL.
SO IN GENERAL, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MARCUS STUDIES AND WE THINK HOW LONG DID THIS, THIS RATE, THIS RENTAL RATE, UH, CAN SURVIVE.
THERE'S, THERE'S THREE MAIN FACTORS.
ONE HOW WELL THE MANAGEMENT MAINTAINS THE PROPERTY.
UH, IF, IF THE MANAGEMENT, UH, IF THE, IF THE PROFORMA DOESN'T WORK, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH REPLACEMENT RESERVES, UH, AND THEY START SKIMPING ON, UM, REPAIRS.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET, YOU COULDN'T HAVE COME IN THE LESS RENT.
SECONDLY, WHAT'S THE COMPETITION.
UM, THERE'S OFTENTIMES SOMETHING
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BRIGHTER, SPARKLY, NEWER THAT THAT CAN, CAN COMMAND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER RENT THAT CAN TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO CHARGE.THE BIGGEST ISSUE, WHICH IS REALLY OUT OF THE DEVELOPER'S HANDS IS THE OVERALL ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY.
IF THERE IS A LARGE EMPLOYER THAT MOVES OUT, OR THERE IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT LIKE CRISP IN 19 90, 2 93, WHEN GM SHUTTERED ALL OF THE FACILITIES, THAT WAS A BIG SHOCK TO THE, TO THE REGION IN THAT EMPLOYMENT BASE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A FACTOR THAT IS REALLY OUT OF THE CONTROL OF THE DEVELOPER, BUT FOR ONE MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT A STRONG MANAGEMENT ARM THAT IS MAKING THE NECESSARY REPAIRS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE, THE BIGGEST, I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GOING MARKET RATE TODAY.
AND THEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IT BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A P I APPEALING TO THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT IT ATTRACTS.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS REALLY SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY CHANGE WHO THEY'RE MARKETING TO IS AND WHAT INCOME STRATA THERE REALLY IS A LARGER REFLECTION ON WHERE THE INCOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS NATURAL ECONOMIC OR INCOME INCREASES.
UM, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE IS, UNLESS THERE, IT BECOMES A OVER-SATURATION OF ABOVE MARKET RATE RENTALS IN THIS AREA, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
I THINK THERE'S A REAL DEMAND HERE FOR THAT.
AS FARGO YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU'D USE THE TERM PUTTING MENTAL POTENTIAL FENCING, AND I'M THINKING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFERING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND DID I MISUNDERSTAND, WELL, THERE WILL BE MOUNDING AND FENCING'S OKAY.
I, I AGREE THAT YOU DON'T THINK WE NEED A FENCE THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, YOU WANTED TO WAIVE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AND I'M SURE I KNOW THAT THERE, BECAUSE OF WRIGHT PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE, THERE A CERTAIN PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION HAS THIS LOCATION IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO BEING IMPACTED BY THE FLIGHT PATH OF RIGHT PATH.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THAT IS AN ISSUE, AND IT'S MORE ABOUT THE USES BECAUSE OF THE NOISE.
UM, BUT THIS LOCATION IS NOT IN THAT.
CAUSE I KNOW THEIR PLANES FLY ACROSS MY PROPERTY AND I'M REAL CLOSE.
AND YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS, UM, THE PARKING ONE SPACE PER UNIT BOY, THAT IS, UH, I THINK GOING BACKWARDS FROM, FROM WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE ONE CAR GARAGE OR THEY HAVE NO GARAGE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT BESIDES PUTTING IT'S AWAY FROM THE BUILDING, THAT THEY CAN FIND PARKING SO THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THE CODE? HAVE THEY LOOKED AT THAT? SO THE PART THAT ISN'T TO CODE IS THE SENIOR FACILITY AND THE DEVELOPER CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR MARKET STUDIES SHOW.
BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH SENIOR DEVELOPMENTS, YOU REALLY DON'T VERY RARELY DO YOU HAVE TWO PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD? IT IS RARE THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE PER UNIT, UH, IN A SENIOR FACILITY.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE EXCEPTION, BUT IT'S PRETTY RARE.
AND, UH, I WAS TOTALLY CONFUSED.
AND THAT'S THE REASON YOU MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, YOU WANTED TO ELIMINATE THAT.
AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, WHAT I WASN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW YOU ON THAT.
SO, SO IT'S, I HAD TO READ THE CODE NUMEROUS TIMES TO FIGURE IT OUT MYSELF, WHICH IS WHY I'M SUGGESTING WE IGNORE IT.
UM, THE, THE, I THINK THE, WHAT, WHAT WAS INTENDED WAS THAT FOR BUILT
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EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING SUBSTANTIALLY REHABILITATED, THAT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED SO THAT THE NEW BUILDING, UH, COMES INTO THE RENOVATED BUILDING, COMES INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UM, BPO REQUIREMENTS.FOR EXAMPLE, IT REQUIRES YOU TO SKIN THE ENTIRE, UH, RENOVATED BUILDING WITH BRICK OR STONE.
SO I THINK THERE IS AN INTENT SO THAT WE AS STAFF JUST DON'T INADVERTENTLY ISSUE A ZONING PERMIT, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME PERMIT TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO DO JUST A NORMAL RENOVATION, THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ITEM TO CATCH WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NOT ABLE TO, AS I SAID, IN THE STAFF REPORT, I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE CODE TO MAKE IT, UM, CLEAR AND ESTABLISH.
UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE BEEN RESTRICTED TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IN UBER, REALLY NOT ANY TALL BUILDINGS.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE TOP, YOU KNOW, THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS BEEN, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE STORIES, TALL.
THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH ANY FI ANY FIRE APPARATUS FOR A FIRE.
LIKE THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, IT ALL FIREHOUSES THAT THEY CAN.
YOU'VE GOT YOU OUT OF A LADDER TRUCK THAT WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING UP TO THE, INTO THE ROOF, UH, THE RAFTER AND I THINK ORIGINALLY HEBREW WAS BUILT LEVELED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE APPARATUS.
UM, AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE OR DON'T HAVE.
SO I WAS JUST A QUESTION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF JUST ON THE HEIGHT PIECE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS GOING DOWN BRAND BIKE THE REST OF THE WAY, BUT IS THAT HEIGHT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD JUST HAVE REVISITED AND MATCHING THE REST OF THE CITY'S CODE? CAUSE I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, AT 35 FEET, YOU CAN'T DO A THREE-STORY WITH A ROOF ANYMORE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, SO IF IT WERE OUT ON FRONT OF BRANT PIKE, MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE, I WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT FEELING ABOUT IT.
THE LIBRARY, LOOKING BACK THROUGH MY STAFF REPORT, I BELIEVE THE LIBRARY WAS 28 FEET AT ITS PEAK.
UM, SO IF WE WANTED TO KIND OF MATCH THOSE LINES, BUT AGAIN, NINE I THINK BEING WHERE IT IS IS APPROPRIATE.
I'M SORRY THAT, TO ME, I'M WONDERING IF THE 30TH, WHY WE EVEN HAVE THE 35 FEET MENTIONED IN THE BRAND PIKE STUDY INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY.
I'M NOT SURE IT SURPRISED ME AS WELL.
THERE WAS NOT A CLEAR NEXUS OF WHY THAT WAS THERE WHEN IT'S NOT IN ANY OTHER SECTION.
WELL, I KNOW ONE THING IS THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE TO THE WEST HAVE, UH, VOICED THEIR ISSUE OF A THREE-STORY BUILDING, LOOKING DOWN INTO THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE HOMES ARE ONE STORY.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT THEY HAD.
AND THAT WAS WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE MOUNDING ON THE FENCING.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT WILL BE.
SO, UM, THE DEVELOPER PROVIDED A GOOD GRAPHIC HERE.
UM, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE LINE OF SIGHT IS.
THE IDEA IS THAT THE VEGETATION, UH, WILL HELP, UH, SCREEN THAT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LET ME GO BACK HERE.
SO THE WILL BE FACING THE, UH, SENIOR SCIENCE IN CANADA.
SO THEY'RE ONLY GONNA, THESE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO SEE JUST A SMALL SESSION OF THAT RIGHT HERE, AS FAR AS THE ONE ON THE MARKET RATE, THE END IS OF EACH OF THE BUILDINGS ARE TWO STORIES.
IT'S NOT A MASSIVE STORY UNITS COMING DOWN.
I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELL, RUNNING UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FIRST AND IF YOU AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT CAME IN A LITTLE LATE, I NEED TO HAVE YOU BOTH SWORN IN.
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TO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN HERE, UH, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND, UM, UH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO HOPE YOU GOT, THANK YOU.I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT AT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, WE SPOKE OBVIOUSLY, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, I BELIEVE, AND, UH, A PRIOR SESSION.
SO, UM, STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH AND EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, I AM, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, KIND OF SUMMARIZING A LOT OF THE TOPICS IN THAT DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UH, THE BRAND PACK STUDY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF TRY TO GAUGE THIS MORE TOWARDS SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO I THINK ONE THING TO SPEAK ABOUT ERIN IS THIS, CAN I, YEAH.
HOW ABOUT YOU? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UM, WELL, LET'S GO BACKWARDS REAL QUICK.
AM I DOING THIS? YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TRUST ME WITH THE SEC TECHNOLOGY.
THE ACTUAL SLIDESHOW I GOT YOU ON HERE.
I'M TRYING TO GO TO THE MASTER SITE PLAN, THE BIGGER ONE THAN THIS, IF I COULD.
I KEEP MY HAND AWAY FROM THAT MOUSE.
UM, SO THE FEW THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT NOW, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS SHOWN SCHEMATICALLY.
BUT, UM, AS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF EVERYONE ELSE HERE TONIGHT, ANYONE LISTENING THE INTENT OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS REALLY GO AND FLOW CONSISTENTLY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT REVITALIZATION PLAN AND IT BEING DONE IN CONCERT WITH THE CITY.
SO WE HOMESTEAD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, UM, APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, BUT ALSO WE'VE AGREED AS A COMPONENT OF THAT, TO BE ABLE, WE WOULD BE BUILDING THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT LOOP ROAD IN DOING SO, THE OTHER USES ARE STILL BEING, UM, BEING DISCUSSED.
SO I SAY THAT FOR SOMETHING I'LL ALLUDE TO LATER, AND THAT IS REALLY THE SIDEWALKS.
AARON, CAN WE GO TO THE MORE CLOSE UP WITH A RESIDENTIAL, PLEASE THINK OF, OKAY.
SO, UH, THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE SIDEWALKS WE ARE, WE WANT MASSIVE CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE SITE.
WE WANT CONNECTIVITY TO THE RETAIL, TO THE LIBRARY, CERTAINLY TO THE SENIOR CENTER THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING TO DEVELOP.
UM, OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY WITH THOSE PIECES STILL MOVING AROUND.
WE DON'T HAVE IT FINALIZED YET.
YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY SEE THAT AT THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE INTEND TO HAVE CROSSWALKS, UM, SAFETY TREES, UM, AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA AS TO HOW THAT THE SOUTH SIDE, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS PLAN SOUTH, BUT DIRECTIONALLY EAST SIDE OF THAT LOOP ROAD, AS I'M CALLING IT WILL DEVELOP.
SO RIGHT NOW IN THE CENTER OF THE SENIOR COMMUNITY, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TWO, SIX FOOT AARON WALKWAYS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THERE, UM, THAT WILL INTEND TO COME DOWN.
AND THEN WE DO WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CROSS THE STREET LUPRON, WHAT SIDEWALKS TREES.
WE WANT THIS TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT, UM, COMMISSIONER VARGO, UM, WE HAVE FOUR OF OUR SENIOR FACILITIES, UM, GOING ON WITH TWO OF WHICH OPEN AND ONE OF WHICH IS IN BEAVER CREEK AND OTHERS IN CONSTRUCTION IN MIAMI TOWNSHIP OVER HERE IN DAYTON, THE OTHER TWO IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.
SO WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT SENIOR FACILITY IS WHAT WE DEVELOP AS I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF EVERYONE, UM, WE ARE NON-ACUTE CARE.
SO THERE'S NO ALE, THERE'S NO MEMORY CARE.
WE ACTUALLY REALLY TRY TO SUPPORT SENIORS THAT ARE INDEPENDENT LIVING MARKET RATES, SENIOR COMMUNITY.
NOW, WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR RESEARCH AND STUDIES IS THAT WE ARE PARKED TYPICALLY AT 115 PARKING SPACES FOR ABOUT 130 UNITS.
AND THAT MORE THAN SATISFIES, ONLY ABOUT 65% OF OUR SENIORS HAVE CARS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE CLOSE TO WALKABLE COMMUNITIES NOW.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO THAT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING FOR GUESTS AND OR IF THEY WERE GOING TO HOST A PARTY OR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN OR WHATNOT.
NOW THAT IS IN THE ACTIVE COMMUNITIES AND THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, WE HAVE 135 UNITS, BUT THOSE ARE MOSTLY ONE BEDROOM UNITS AND OR ONE BEDROOM WITH DENS ARE TWO BEDROOMS. UM, ABOUT 60% OF OUR TWO BEDROOMS ACTUALLY HAVE TWO OCCUPANTS.
SO FOR THE MOST PART, OUR SENIORS I'LL BE AT A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY ARE ACTUALLY ON AVERAGE AGE, ABOUT 65 TO 72 IS WHEN THEY MOVE IN WITH US.
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FAR, FAR HIGHER THAN THAT OF 115, WE HAVE 134 SPACES AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL FOR THE SENIOR COMMUNITY.UM, AS AARON POINTED OUT, YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THERE IS HEAD END PARKING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE LANDSCAPE.
SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE, SHOULD IT BE NEEDED.
SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO STEP BACK TO A MORE MASTER PLAN PHILOSOPHY.
THAT'LL TALK TO SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS HERE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE MASTER PLAN OF THIS, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER ON ALL SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE GREENSPACE FACING WHAT WILL BE THE RETENTION POND, THE PUBLIC PARK, THE LIBRARY, THE SENIOR CENTER THAT HAD BEEN SPOKEN OF BY THE CITY, THEN A NICE BUFFER, WHICH WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL FRONT DOOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS BEING EITHER SENIOR OR THE MARKET RATE, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS ON THE SIDES.
AND ON THE BACK, COULD WE GO TO THE SIGHT LINE STUDY, PLEASE? WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE VERY CLOSE CARE OF THE BACK.
INITIALLY, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE HAD GIVEN SO MUCH GREEN SPACE TO THE FRONT THAT WE FELT THAT THE BACK WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE TIGHTER THAN IT REALLY WANTED TO BE, ESPECIALLY IN RESPECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT WILL BE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT WOULD BE A SIX FOOT WOODEN FENCE.
WE'LL BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
INWARD OF THAT FENCE, THAT 30 FOOT WILL BE A FIVE FOOT TALL MOUND.
WE ORIGINALLY COMMITTED TO PLANTING THAT OF EVERGREEN TREES.
NOW THE SMALLER TREE AND THIS WHAT I'M CALLING THE YOUNG SIX FOOT EVERGREEN IS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUY THESE DAYS, RIGHT? WE ALL KNOW THAT DAY ONE, THE TREES AREN'T GOING TO BE AS MATURE AS THEY WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'VE ALSO SHOWN THE DIFFERENCE OF A 15 FOOT MATURE EVERGREEN NOTICE THAT WE'RE TALKING EVERGREEN.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO RESPECT THAT BUFFER, THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DECIDUOUS TREES THAT LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE WINTER.
FURTHER FROM THAT, WE DO HAVE AN INSET GARAGE AND THEN WE HAVE DRIVE VIALS AND PARKING LEADING UP TO THE BUILDINGS.
COULD YOU GET TO THE RESIDENTIAL SITE PLAN, PLEASE? THERE YOU GO.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS BEING HEARD, BUT I WANT TO SHOW EVERYONE HERE.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PULLED AND THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE INITIALLY DID.
AND THIS IS BASED UPON FEEDBACK FROM THIS COMMISSION, AS WELL AS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
WE'VE HOLD THE LARGER BUILDINGS, ALL THREE STORY TO THE EXTERIOR, TAKING THESE BUILDINGS HERE, WHERE YOU'LL NOTE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE BACKYARD AND THE FENCES AND THE ACTUAL HOUSES TO HERE ONLY THE MIDDLE OF THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
THESE BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORY EXTERIOR, THEN BEING A TWO-STORY AND AN EFFORT TO, AGAIN, PUT THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO RESPECT THAT VISION.
NOW, IF WE GO BACK TO THE SIGHT LINE STUDY, PLEASE, YOU'RE GOOD.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S A VOLUME THAT EXPRESSES A TWO STORY BUILDING.
AND THEN ONE THAT EXPRESSES A THREE-STORY BUILDING.
I'M ASSUMING A FOUR YEAR 40 YARD REAR SETBACK, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO SCALE AND UNDERSTAND FROM THE, UM, FROM THE ATLAS MAPS.
IF YOU'RE A SIX FOOT TALL PERSON AND THOSE TREES GET PLANTED, AND THIS IS APPROVED AS IS ON DAY ONE WITH THE YOUNG EVERGREENS, YOU WILL HARDLY BE ABLE TO SEE THE EVE, CERTAINLY NOT THE WINDOWS OF THE SECOND STORY COMPONENT.
AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE THIRD STORY ON DAY ONE, AS THESE TREES MATURE TO 15 FEET, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT VIEW WOULD BE BLOCKED.
SO I WANTED TO JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THIS IS ILLUSTRATING A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE, UM, EXTREMELY PERTINENT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCUSS.
UM, MS. THOMAS, YOU SPOKE TO A QUESTION ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF MARKET RATE HOUSING.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE MARKET RATE HOUSING.
WE ARE GOING TO GET AS MUCH MONEY OUT OF THIS AT THE MARKET DEMANDS, UM, ARE STUDIES TO SHOW WHAT WE, WE CAN HAVE AS A BASELINE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO GO UP FROM THERE AS MUCH AS THE MARKET DEMANDS, BUT AS WAS NOTED.
AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH STAFF.
THERE ARE REALLY THREE DRIVERS TO THE VIABILITY OF A MANAGEMENT.
I MEAN, OF A, OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE FIRST OF WHICH MANAGEMENT, IT JUST SO HAPPENS BY COMPLETE IRONY.
TOMORROW WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL IT, HOMESTEAD OUR BEN FRANKLIN AWARDS.
SO OUR COMPANY, WE DEVELOP, WE DO OUR OWN CONSTRUCTION SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION.
IN FACT, OUR COMPANY WAS FOUNDED AS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY OVER 25 YEARS AGO FROM A CTO WHO HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE CAREER MANAGING TOMORROW.
OUR BEN FRANKLIN AWARDS, BEN FRANKLIN AWARDS, OUR WHERE OUR MANAGEMENT STAFF GOES AROUND TO EVERY PROPERTY.
IT'S A COMPETITION TO BASICALLY SEE WHO'S GOING TO WIN THE AWARD FOR THE YEAR.
AND IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FRONT DOOR.
AND THE OVERALL MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTIES, A MAJORITY OF OUR PROPERTIES IS WE ARE A RELATIVELY YOUNGER DEVELOPMENT COMPANY THAN WE ARE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY ARE LOCATED IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, AND THEY ARE VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
SO WE WOULD BE COMMITTED TO THAT HERE, AND WE'D BE HIRING
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LOCAL FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR US AND WITH US TO OUR STANDARDS.THE SECOND ASPECT IS THE COMPETITION IN THE MARKET.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING UP OFF OF, UM, UH, CLOSE TO TAYLORSVILLE BEHIND THE RETAIL CENTER, UM, RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHAT WE JUST SAW.
AND IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, I ACTUALLY SEE MORE COMPETITION FROM A RENTAL STANDPOINT WITH THAT OF NORTH OF 70 THAN I DO IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DO NOT BELIEVE FROM A MARKET RATE STANDPOINT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE AT RISK OF ANY SERIOUS, VIA VOLATILITY BASED UPON COMPETITIVENESS.
BUT THE LAST POINT, AND THIS IS WHAT, WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITY ORIGINALLY IN NOVEMBER, OCTOBER, OCTOBER OF 2020, THEY ACTUALLY TOOK OUR MEETING IN PERSON.
DON'T TELL ANYONE, BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GOING OUT.
HAVE COVID PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO NOT COME OUT.
WE'RE STILL IN IT, BUT WE'RE IN MASKS TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND WE'RE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT OUR SENIORS.
WE WANTED TO COME TO HUBER HEIGHTS BECAUSE THE DEMOGRAPHICS FOR THE SENIOR POPULATION, AS WELL AS THE OPPORTUNITY IN A GROWING COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SENIORS TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND INTO A SENIOR OPPORTUNITY WHERE THEY CAN THRIVE AND HAVE COMMUNITY, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THE HOMES TO TURN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FLOURISH.
RIGHT? WHAT WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WAS WHERE WE COULD FIND A SPOT FOR SENIOR, AND THEY SPOKE TO US ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE THEN TALKED ABOUT THE CITY AND THE MAYOR'S GOALS FOR THIS PROPERTY AND HOW IT REALLY WANTS TO BE A CATALYST FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THIS CORRIDOR.
AND IT HAS TO BE THE CITY'S BANKED ON IT.
THEY'VE LITERALLY SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY TO DO THIS.
THEY'VE SPENT MONEY ON THE STUDY.
THEY SPENT THE MONEY IN THE LAND AND THEY SPENT MONEY ON CONSULTANTS TO TRY AND GET THE LIBRARY THERE AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN SO THAT THEN THEY CAN MOVE UP THE ROAD.
SO WHY AM I SAYING THAT? WELL, THE VITALITY OF THIS DISTRICT IS IN MY OPINION, THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR TO BEING ABLE TO KEEP THE MARKET RATE AT A HIGH LEVEL FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WE TRULY ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AS CORNY AS THAT SOUNDS, UM, I'D BE WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND OF COURSE, LISTEN TO ANY COMMENTS AND COME BACK AND ANSWER ANYTHING.
YOU'D LIKE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
AARON, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE WITH THE BUILDINGS PLEASE? SO THERE, SO THE SENIOR, ONE OF THE PIECES THAT EXTEND TOWARDS THE RESIDENTS, THOSE END CAPS WOULD BE STAIRWELLS IS THAT AS OF RIGHT NOW, ONE HALF OF THAT, CAUSE IT'S A CENTER CORRIDOR AND BUILDING IS PLANNED TO BE STAIRWELL.
AND WOULD THOSE UNITS BE TWO OR THREE STORIES AT THAT 0.3 STORIES ON THAT? WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND IT'S ACTUALLY AN EXTRA, UH, WHAT IS THAT? A DRIVER PLUS BUFFERING IT'S EXTRA 30 FEET FURTHER BACK THAN THAT SIGHT LINE STUDY CONTEMPLATES.
AND THEN ON THE MARKET RATE SET, THE END UNITS THAT RUN EAST AND WEST ARE THOSE END CAPS.
WOULD THOSE BE THE TWO STORY ALSO, LIKE YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE ONES RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH? UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT A TWO STORY HERE.
I HAVE RESTORED HERE ON THE INCAPSULA BUILDING.
SO THOSE ARE RESTROOMS AND THEY'RE VERY MINIMALIZED FROM A WINDOW STANDPOINT.
I CAN ACTUALLY, THERE IS AN ELEVATION WITHIN THE PRESENTATION.
I SAW IT LAST TIME, BUT WHILE I CAN BRING THIS PHONE, GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO A REAL QUICK, YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT A WINDOW ON EACH SIDE AND THOSE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SONY CASE? AT 60 50 IS VERY RIGHT BEHIND THE COMPLEX.
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MY NAME'S AMY THOMAS.UM, ONE ISSUE I HAVE IS WE ALREADY HAVE A SEVERE DRAINING ISSUE AND MY BACKYARD FLOODS DUE TO THIS PROPERTY BEHIND US IS FLOODED FOR SINCE 1969 OR 70.
UM, THIS BUILDING, IS IT GOING TO GRADE TO WHERE WE REALLY GET SWAMPED IN IT? AND WE FLOOD OUR BACKYARDS AND IT GOES INTO OUR HOUSE CAUSING US FLOOD ISSUES.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS WITH ALL THESE BUILDINGS, IS IT GOING TO CAUSE A WATER ISSUE TO WHERE YOU ARE YOUR WATER RESOURCES FOR THE, THAT YOU WERE HEIGHTS AREA? IS IT GOING TO CAUSE OUR PRESSURE TO DECREASE TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH OUR WATER AND IS IT GOING TO CAUSE A NOISE ISSUE TO WHERE WE CAN'T SLEEP AND GET UP AND GO TO WORK BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING OTHER OCCUPANTS OF HIGH AND MAYBE THEY CAN'T SEE US, BUT WE CAN HEAR.
AND THESE ARE VALID ISSUES FOR US WHO HAVE HAD A QUIET COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE, WE GOT TO GET UP, GO TO WORK.
AND WE HAD THE HEAT CLUB FOR YEARS AND, AND THEN WE, WE COMPLAINING AND PLANE AND NOBODY WOULD TERMINATE IT UNTIL SOMEBODY GOT SHOT.
SO THESE ARE ISSUES THAT WHEN WE COME TO YOU AND SAY, WE CAN'T SLEEP AND WE GOT TO GO TO WORK AND WE'VE GOT A CLUB BEHIND US KEEPING US AWAKE TO ALL HOURS IN THE MORNING.
AND WE STARTED TO DRAG OUT AND GO TO WORK.
I MEAN, AND IT WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED UNTIL SOMEONE GOT INJURED.
I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT SAY DO WE HAVE ABOUT OUR PEACE AND QUIET IN OUR, OUR PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, I JUST, I WANT THAT VALIDATED THAT IF THERE'S A WATER ISSUE OR SOMETHING THAT THESE COMPANIES HAVE TO FIX IT AND MAKE OUR PROPERTY SAFE AND FLOOD PRE I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S VALID FOR ME TO WORRY ABOUT THIS.
AND OUR SAFETY TOO IS SIX, BUT FENCING GOING TO BE ENOUGH.
UM, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED BEFORE THEY BUILD OKAY, MR.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THE WAY THE SITE IS, UH, IS LAID OUT, JUST LOOKING AT THE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE THAT THAT DOES DIRECT BASICALLY I WOULD SAY ON THIS SITE, 80% OF THE WATER TOWARDS THE BACK OF THEIR, TO THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSES, UM, WHEN THIS IS BUILT, UM, THAT'LL ALL BE DIRECTED TOWARDS A RETENTION BASIN.
THAT IS, THAT IS RIGHT NOW PROPOSED BE OVER HERE ISH, AND THEN THIS LARGER STORM DETENTION.
SO, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD SOLVE ALL MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THEIR CURRENT DRAINAGE ISSUES FROM THIS SITE, UM, BASED ON, ON THE, THE PRELIMINARY GRADING PLAN THAT WE HAVE, IT, IT WILL COLLECT IT AND IT WILL NOT CONTINUE TO GO BACK INTO THEIR BACKYARDS.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE FENCE HEIGHT FINE.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE HERE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
AGAIN, AS, UH, AS MR. CANTERBURY HAD MENTIONED, UH, A FIVE FOOT MOUND BEHIND THE FENCE, ALONG WITH EVERGREEN PLANNINGS, UM, WE CAN'T GET MUCH HIGHER THAN FIVE FEET BECAUSE OF THE, THE GRADE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN MOW IT, UH, JUST THE, THE, UM, THE SLOPE.
WELL, ONE, THE SLOPE FOR MOWING AND TO THE SLOPE FOR EROSION, UH, WILL BE, WILL BE TOO GREAT.
SO FIVE FEET IS ABOUT AS HIGH AS, AS FAR AS THE MOUNTING, BUT THEN THE EVERGREEN TREES, UH, AS HE MENTIONED, SHOULD REALLY BLOCK VISUALLY AND ALSO THROUGH SOUND.
PLUS YOU HAVE THE GARAGES HERE, WHICH WILL ABSORB A LOT OF THE SOUND.
UM, SO, BUT THE, BUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE SPECIFICALLY SHOULD BE VASTLY IMPROVED.
UM, AND THERE IS, UH, THERE, THERE'S NO CONSTRAINT ON WATER PRESSURE THAT I'M AWARE OF IN THIS AREA.
UM, THESE WOULDN'T BE ON THE SAME, UM, MAINS ANYWAY.
SO I DON'T, THEY SHOULD SEE NO WATER PRESSURE DISRUPTION DUE TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
WE DO HAVE NOISE ISSUES THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
SAME AS IF THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
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I AGREE.I, I THINK THINGS WILL BE JUST FINE UNLESS THEY, UNLESS THERE'S A, THE FIT.
THE FIT THE 55 PLUS COMMUNITY.
HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T GET A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL, BUT IT'S NOT FINE.
AND THE GUY WHO IS DEVELOPING THIS, THERE YOU GO HERE.
IT'S LIKE,
I'VE SEEN WHAT
THERE'S THEIR CONSTRUCTION HOURS.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN START BEFORE A 7:00 AM.
WE KNOW WHAT THE CUTOFF IS AT NIGHT.
I DON'T, I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY, I THINK IT'S EIGHT.
BUT IT'S THAT THE CONSTRUCTION HOURS THEY'LL GO, THEY'LL GO RIGHT UP UNTIL THEY, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES, MA'AM.
SO IT'S A LITTLE NEW TO ME HERE.
UH, MY NAME IS JOE CLARK AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 6 0 8 2 ANCILLARY DRIVE.
UM, I WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THIS THE OTHER DAY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, I APOLOGIZE IF I AM REDUNDANT TO THOSE QUESTIONS ALSO, UM, SOME MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY HAVE ALL HAVE LIVED AT THIS HOUSE SINCE 1971.
MY PARENTS OWNED IT, THREE KIDS RAISED IN IT WHEN THEY PASSED AWAY, MY HUSBAND AND I INHERITED IT.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS IN THIS HOUSE, UM, WITH A VERY NICE FIELD BEHIND WE'VE ENJOYED THE FIELD ALL THROUGH THE YEARS, WE HAVE A LARGE ANIMAL POPULATION IN THAT FIELD BEING DEER DUCKS, A VERY LARGE POPULATION OF CARDINALS THAT RETURNED TO THE FIELD EVERY YEAR AND THE CARDINALS BEING THE OHIO STATE BIRD.
UM, SO ONE OF STARTING WITH OUR ANIMAL POPULATION BACK THERE.
IS IT REQUIRED THAT AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY SHOULD BE DONE ON THAT FIELD? SO DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF FINANCING THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE, UH, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT WOULD ADDRESS, UM, UH, WILDLIFE WOULD BE, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, NESTING BATS.
AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE EXACT BAT SPECIES THAT, UM,
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WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE.AND THAT WOULD BE REALLY CONTROL WHEN, UH, THE TREES COULD BE REMOVED, BUT, UM, I CAN GET MORE DETAILED TO YOU ON THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD TRIGGER.
UM, I APOLOGIZE IF THESE ARE OUT OF ORDER AND TRYING TO PUT THEM IN SOME SEMBLANCE OF ORDER HERE, UM, TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR PLANT IS A CREEK RUNS BEHIND THE BOOSTER CENTER.
HOW IS ALL OF THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE CREEK? IT SEEMS TO BE SOME SORT OF A DRAINAGE CREEK, I WOULD ASSUME BECAUSE UNDER ONE OF THE HOUSES OR THE BACK OF ONE OF THE HOUSES DOWN THERE IS A HUMONGOUS PIPE.
SO THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT, OR A STORMWATER EASEMENT THAT RUNS PARALLEL NORTH AND SOUTH TO THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE BACK OF EVERYBODY'S HOUSES.
UM, THAT WON'T BE DISTURBED THEN I'M JUST LOOKING HERE.
THE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY DISRUPTION OR TWO TO THAT CREEK LOOKING AT CIVIL.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY DISRUPTION TO THAT, TO THAT CREEK AT ALL.
SO THAT WILL STILL BE THERE FOR THE, SOME OF THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING.
UM, AS MY NEIGHBOR SAID, UM, OUR BACKYARDS ARE LOWER THAN THE FIELD.
IT SLOPES DOWN FROM THE FENCE DOWN INTO OUR BACKYARD.
EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT DRAINS DOWN FROM THE FIELD THROUGH THE BACKYARD, DOWN TO THE SIDE OF THE ARM, DOWN TO THE STREET.
SO IF THIS IS STILL GOING TO BE BUILT UP AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN OUR BACKYARD, EVEN WITH THE BUFFER WATER GOES THROUGH THE GROUND.
SO IT'S STILL GOING TO BE COMING DOWN ON US.
SO ALL OF THE, THE WATER THAT IS, OR ALL OF THE AREA, THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, THE BUILDINGS, THE, UM, THE, THE PARKING AREA, ALL OF THAT WILL BE CAPTURED ON SITE AND RETAIN SITE.
NONE OF THAT WILL FLOW, UH, TOWARDS YOUR PROPERTY.
AND HOW IS IT GOING TO BE CAPTURED AS THEIR SEWERS? YEAH, THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE ONSITE STORM DETENTION, UH, THROUGHOUT WHAT IS STORM RETENTION? IS IT SEWERS OR IS IT GOALIES IN THE GROUND? SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE PIPED TO THAT BLUE THING, WHICH IS THE RETENTION POND.
UM, NEXT, SO YOU SHOULD SEE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN FLOODING.
IT'S NOT THAT BAD, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS, ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE VASTLY IMPROVED.
UM, LET ME SEE, OH, LET ME TAKE MY GLASSES OFF.
WE ALL HAVE OUR FENCES IN THE BACK OF OUR HOUSES.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIX FOOT HIGH WOODEN FENCE.
WELL, THAT'S JUST ABOUT ALL THEM.
THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO REALLY BLOCK OUT A LOT OF STUFF.
UM, I GUESS MY, I LIKE SOMETHING BACK THERE.
IS IT GOING TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR FENCES? IS IT GOING TO BE A FEW INCHES IN FRONT OF OUR FENCES? DOES IT REPLACE OUR FENCES? OKAY.
A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED RIGHT NOW.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THEM ONTO THE RECORD AND BRING THEM UP.
SO IT'S IN PEOPLE'S MINDS HERE.
UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THIS WOODEN FENCE WHO MAINTAINS THIS WOODEN FENCE, WHO DO WE CALL WHEN THERE'S ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE WHOLE IN THAT ARE PART OF IT FALLS DOWN WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO YOU WILL BE SENDING INFORMATION TO ALL OF OUR HOUSES.
YOU NEED TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU WILL BE SENDING INFORMATION TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
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OH, OKAY.UM, OUR HOUSE WOULD BE BEHIND THE SENIOR COMMUNITY.
UM, THREE STORIES IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY SUNRISE IN THE MORNING.
WE GET A BEAUTIFUL SUNRISE COMES OVER.
YOU PUT A THREE-STORY BUILDING UP THERE IN FRONT OF US.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE SUN UNTIL NOON WHEN IT'S OVERHEAD.
UM, AS FAR AS THE ONE PICTURE WHERE IT SHOWS THE IT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT ONE, I THINK.
YOU'VE GOT THE MOUND BEHIND THE FENCES.
HOW WAS IT A UTILITY TRUCK TO GET ALL, ALL OUR, OUR, UM, WIRING IS BEHIND OUR FENCES.
HOW WAS A UTILITY TRUCK GOING TO GET THROUGH THOSE MOUNDS? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE DETAILS THAT WE'LL WORK OUT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG, IT WOULD BE MY, MY GUESTS NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHEREVER UTILITY POLE IS THERE WILL BE BREAKS SO THAT THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR ALIGNMENT TO BE ABLE TO EITHER GET THERE OR GET THEIR BUCKET UP.
RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE HAVE POWER OUTAGES, THEY DRIVE HUGE TRUCKS THROUGH THE FIELD.
I MEAN, LOTS OF TRUCKS THEY'LL TAKE TWO OR THREE AT THE SAME TIME TO GET THROUGH THERE.
IF THERE'S NO ACCESS ROAD BACK THERE OR SOMETHING FOR THEM TO GET THROUGH, SO THERE WILL BE ACCESS.
AND WHEN THEY'LL WORK WITH AES TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE ACCESS, SO THAT IF THERE IS A STORM EVENT, IT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TELEPHONE LINES BACK THEN.
ALL OF THEM WE'LL INCLUDE THEM ALSO.
UM, LET ME SEE, GO WITH ME HERE.
UM, THE APARTMENT, UM, IT SAID NON NO INCOME RESTRICTIONS.
SO WHERE ARE WE POSSIBLY LOOKING AT GOVERNMENT? LOW INCOME AND THOSE APARTMENTS? NO, THAT'S WHY IT SAYS NO INCOME RESTRICTION.
SO IT'S NOT AN INCOME RESTRICTED FACILITY, ANYBODY.
BUT CAN THE GOVERNMENT HAVE IT IS AS I, IT USED TO BE CALLED HUD LOW-INCOME.
SO IF THE, SO THE, THE APARTMENT OWNER COULD ACCEPT A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER IF THEY SO CHOOSE, OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUST LIKE ANY OTHER LANDLORD, BUT THEY'RE NOT UNDER CON THEY ARE NOT, THIS IS NOT A SUBSIDIZED FACILITY THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TAKE VOUCHERS.
I SAW IN THE PROPOSAL, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT THE APARTMENTS WENT FROM 184 TO 192, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONFLICTING, ACTUALLY IT'S CON THERE'S DIFFERING NUMBERS IN THAT PROPOSAL FOR THE SENIOR COMMUNITY.
IT WENT FROM 1 34 ON ONE PAGE TO ONE TO 1 35 ON ANOTHER PAGE.
AND THEN THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS WENT FROM 180 4 ON ONE PAGE TO 1 92 ON ANOTHER PAGE.
SO THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL AT THIS STAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WHILE THEY'RE STILL FIGURING OUT EXACTLY THE RIGHT UNIT MIX.
UH, I BELIEVE I PULLED THOSE UNITS OFF OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, NOT OFF OF THE, UH, NOT FROM THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION.
WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED PLANS, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE NET THE ACCIDENT NUMBER.
SO IT MAY GO UP OR DOWN ONE OR TWO UNITS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY THE LESS, THE BETTER, UM, LIGHTING OFF THE BACK OF THE SENIORS COMMUNITY AND OFF THE APARTMENTS OFF THE GARAGES FOR EACH LEVEL, FOR EACH OF THOSE.
UM, IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON LIGHTING? HOW HIGH UP CAN YOU PUT THE LIGHTING? HOW BRIGHT CAN THE LIGHTING BE? YEAH, SO, UM, THE, THE LIGHTING, SO IN GENERAL, THERE CAN BE NO LIGHTING TRESPASS OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY ONTO YOURS.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T SEE IT.
UM, THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE CODE REQUIRES NO MORE THAN A 25, OR DOESN'T ALLOW MORE THAN A 25 FOOT LIGHTING POLE IN THE PARKING
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LOTS IF THEY EVEN CHOOSE TO DO THAT, NOT EVERYBODY CHOOSES TO DO THAT.UM, GIVEN THE LOCATION, UH, AND THE SETBACKS, UM, AND ALL OF THOSE LIGHTS WOULD BE SHIELDED FROM, FROM YOU.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T SEE ANY DIRECT LIGHTING AND AT THE DETAILED STAGE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO US A PHOTOGRAPHIC PLAN, WHICH BASICALLY SHOWS NO LIGHT SPREAD, UH, AND, UH, NONE CAN GO INTO, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY NONE.
IT, IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN WHAT'S CALLED HALF A CANDLE FOOT.
SO YOU SHOULD NOT NOTICE ANYTHING, UM, ON THE OTHER PICTURE, IF HE COULD PLEASE, I APPRECIATE IT.
AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY, UM, LABELED IS A DEAD END, DEAD ENDS UP INTO THIS FIELD.
ARE THERE ANY PLANS ABOUT EXTENDING THAT INTO ALL OF THIS? NOT THAT I'VE SEEN AND NOT THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED.
THE ONLY CONNECTION THAT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED WOULD BE IF THERE WERE TO REDEVELOP THE SHOPPING CENTER FURTHER NORTH AND MAKE A CONNECTION THROUGH THAT, THE SHOPPING CENTER AT SOME POINT IN TIME, NOT, THERE'S NO CONNECTION BEING CONTEMPLATED TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND HOW DOES ALL OF THIS AFFECT THE BOOSTER CENTER? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ON THIS PICTURE.
IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.
I HAVE, SO THAT WOULD BE HERE POST OFFICE, AND THEN THIS IS THE BOOSTERS, SO SHOULDN'T IMPACT THEM AT ALL.
UM, I GUESS THESE ARE JUST KIND OF LONG RANGE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF OFF THE WALL QUESTIONS HERE, BUT THE CITY IS GOING TO GET MONEY FROM THE SALE OF THIS LAND, TO THE DEVELOPERS.
I MEAN, THE CITY BOUGHT IT NOW THEY'RE SELLING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
WHAT PLANS DOES THE CITY HAVE TO DO WITH THAT MONEY AND THE REVENUE FROM THE ADDITIONAL TAXES? SO WE FIXING THE STREETS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE FIXED.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, THE DEVELOPER IN THE CITY.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT IN THIS CITY THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE MORE THAN THIS, IN MY OPINION.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT A LOT OF AREAS IN HUBER HEIGHTS THAT ARE JUST PLAIN RUN DOWN.
THIS IS GOING TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
BUT OTHER AREAS, YOU GO TO HUMOR, YOU, PEOPLE COME INTO HUMOR HEIGHTS AND WONDER WHAT WE ARE HERE.
UM, THEN I WAS WONDERING, UM, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS A REAL GOOD QUESTION.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OFF MY HEAD TOO.
UM, HOW MANY, HOW MUCH AND HOW MANY YEARS TAX ABATEMENT IS BEING GIVEN TO THE DEVELOPER OR THE, WHOEVER HAS THIS LAND, IS THERE A TAX ABATEMENT GOING THEM SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON THIS LAND FOR SO MANY YEARS, THERE IS A, THERE'S A TIF AGREEMENT THAT IS BEING, UM, NEGOTIATED AND FINALIZED.
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT MOST OF THE, THE, THE TAX REVENUE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IS USED TO PAY FOR THE OTHER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT, IN THAT AREA.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER'S GETTING A FIVE-YEAR ABATEMENT, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES OR A TENURE OR SO I DON'T, AGAIN, I HAVE NOT REVIEWED THAT.
WE CAN GET, I BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, UH, I BELIEVE THE ROUGH DRAFT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
I CAN SEE IF I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.
I THINK I TOLD YOU IT WAS A LONG LIST.
HOW MANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? OH, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK.
UM, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND OUR PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALONG THE BACK? SOMETHING I CANNOT ANSWER.
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ARE YOU PUTTING IT IN THERE TO INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES OR YOU DON'T CARE WHAT OUR COP PROPERTY VALUES DO OR DEFINITELY CARE WHAT'S YOUR PROPERTY VALUE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEING BUILT TO INCREASE OR DECREASE YOUR PROPERTY VALUES.AND THEN I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION, THIS AREA IS BEING CALLED WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEW NAME OF IT? I'VE SEEN SOUTHTOWN I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF SOUTH POINT CROSSING, BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS JUST THE LABEL.
FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD NOW, I THINK THE BRANDING IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY 2 CENTS IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU CALL THIS SOUTH, ANYBODY SOUTH OF THIS, YOU'RE JUST THROWING IT IN THEIR FACE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT IS NOT DEVELOPING ANYTHING SOUTH OF THIS.
THAT'S THE PARTY HUBER HEIGHTS THAT LOOKS BAD ON BRAND AND ON TROY AND YOU CALL THIS SOUTH, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE IDEA, THAT'S IT.
THAT'S WHERE HUMOR HEIGHTS ENDS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE OVERALL BRAND FOR THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DECIDED.
JUST WANTED TO PUT MY 2 CENTS.
UM, IF I DO COME UP WITH SOME MORE QUESTIONS, WHO COULD I DIRECT THEM TO DO YOU OKAY.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS ONLINE? OKAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE, LOOKING BEYOND YOU.
AND THIS IS OUR PROPERTY LINES SOLID WHERE THEY'RE AT, OR THEY GONNA LOOK AT IT WHEN THEY START DOING THE BUSY WORK.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WILL PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? COME RIGHT HERE.
SO I'M GOING TO STARE ONE EYEBALL AT YOU AS I DO THIS TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSPEAKING AS IT PART SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IF THEY'VE NOT BEEN THROUGH THIS, AS IT PERTAINS TO, UH, GRADING FLOODING AND WHAT WE CALL WATER RETENTION, WHICH IS REALLY A REQUIREMENT OF THE EPA AND THE CODE.
UM, WE WILL NOT ONLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND JONATHAN WILL HAVE TO ENGINEER PUT HIS PROFESSIONAL LICENSE ON, BUT IT WILL GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS OF CITY APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.
NOW, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, SUCH AS THE, UM, GREENSPACE AND THE MEADOW THAT WAS BEHIND THE RETAIL CENTER, THERE ARE NOT TYPICALLY THERE ARE SET REQUIREMENTS BY WHICH WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT WATER AND TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
WE HAVE TO HOLD IT AND WE HAVE TO TREAT IT.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS BY WHICH WE WOULD DO THAT.
AND THE CODE IS WRITTEN SUCH THAT IT WILL REQUIRE AN IMPROVEMENT OF THAT.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN FROM THE ELECTRICAL STANDPOINT, UM, THAT SITE PLAN JUST TALKED ABOUT THE, THE UTILITIES AND THE PRO THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THERE A PATHWAY TO THOSE UTILITIES WOULD BE THROUGH OUR PROPERTY AND WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GRANT THE EASEMENTS TO DO IT.
SO FOR IF YOU GUYS HAD AN OUTING OUTAGE THAT GOES TO THOSE LINES, OR IF WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH POWER COMING FROM THOSE LINES, THEY WOULD COME THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.
WE ARE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO GRANT THEM EASEMENTS SUCH THAT THEY HAVE CLEAR PASSENGERS.
THOSE WERE JUST THE TWO THINGS I WROTE DOWN TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT FOR APPROVAL OR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A 135 UNITS SENIOR COMMUNITY AND A NINE ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY TWO MARKET RATE COMMUNITY ON A COMBINED 15.56 ACRES
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AT 62 0 9 BRANDT PIKE CASE B D P 22 DASH 25 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JUNE, NOT OUR JUNE 8TH, 2022.AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVE BY.
MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL THIS OFF.
WHAT IS NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? SO WE WILL, UH, WE WILL MOVE THIS ALONG TO COUNCIL AS WELL, TO, FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
A WORK SESSION WILL BE, UH, IN MID JULY.
I'LL GET WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THE ACTUAL MIDDLE-AGED JULY.
I WILL GET WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THE ACTUAL DATE.
LIKE WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS AND WE HAVE NO, UH, MINUTES TO APPROVE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
HOLD ON A SECOND CALENDAR REVIEW.
UM, SO AS FAR AS ON THE CALENDAR REVIEW, UM, WHAT'S COMING TO THE NEXT COMMISSION.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE, UH, THE SHEETS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THEY HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THAT WILL BE ON THE 28TH.
THEY MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THEY MADE SIGNIFICANT REVISIONS TO THE SIGNED PACKAGE.
UM, SO THEY WENT FROM A, UH, I BELIEVE IN THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE, A 30 FOOT SIGN DOWN TO A SIX FOOT GROUND MOUNTED SIGN.
UM, SO, UM, THAT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT.
UH, SO MAYBE WE CAN START TO SEE THAT AT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS WE MARCH, UH, UP AND DOWN, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.
THAT WILL BE HERE ON THE 28TH.
UM, THE WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL IS COMING IN FOR A CHANGE OF THEIR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO EXPAND, UH, PART OF THE, ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS FOR A TECH CENTER, WHICH YOU'VE READ IN THE PAPER.
AND AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CASES THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S THE WAVERLEY ON THAT WAVERLEY IS LISTED, BUT IT'S NOT, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING THAT WAS LIKE SHEETZ.
IS THAT BROAD REACH, THE GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND WHAT IS THE WAVERLY? OH, SO WAVERLEY IS THE NEW ADDINGTON.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE CHANGED THE NAME.
UH, WE ANTICIPATE SEEING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THAT.
SO AGAIN, SENIOR MOMENT, MAYBE.
THE SHEET, THE SHEETS IS THE CONVENIENCE STORE WHERE TAYLORSVILLE, BROADREACH THE ONE, THE ONE THAT, THE ONE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE ASKED THAT, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BE REVIEWED.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING? THANK YOU, SIR, BY THE WAY.
AND DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WE STAY IN A JURY.