[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road May 24, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE AND HEARING NONE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THIS IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
MOVING ON, WE'LL HAVE THE SWEARING WITNESSES I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE THAT YOU MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO RATE OR STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
I DO THE FOLLOWING OF, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM A THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
ALSO ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHEN THEY APPROACHED THE PODIUM TO SIGN IN THE SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE THEIR NAME.
UH, WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A REZONING AND LOT SPLIT THE APPLICANT.
MICHAEL
A INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 94 16 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, R Z 22 DASH 17.
HI, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AARON'S THROUGHOUT THE CITY, HE HEIGHTS.
SO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I THINK THAT, SO YOU'VE READ MY STAFF REPORT.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT MY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE, UM, THE IMPACT IS LARGELY, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AND, AND REALLY VERY FEW OTHERS SURROUNDING THERE.
UH, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF THIS.
SO THE SITE DETAILS, HOW IT'S FIVE ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL, UH, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
THIS IS ON THE WEST END OF THE, EXCUSE ME, THE EAST END OF THE CITY, UH, DOWN THE STREET ON TAYLORSVILLE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REPLAT THREE AND A HALF ACRES.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT LOT TO, UH, PLANT INDUSTRIAL TO ACCOMMODATE AN EXISTING DIESEL TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT REPAIR BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME, THE REMAINING ONE AND A HALF ACRES, THE RESIDENTS WILL REMAIN ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
THIS IS THE SITE, UM, TAYLORSVILLE RIGHT HERE INTO THE OLD OR NEW CARLISLE PIKE.
UH, THIS IS THE SITE AGAIN, AS YOU COULD SEE, LARGELY AGRICULTURAL OR LARGE LOCKED, UH, RESIDENTIAL, MOST OF THE LOTS IN THIS AREA ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ARE APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES.
UM, THIS IS ZONED, UH, AGRICULTURAL HERE.
THERE IS A INDUSTRIAL ZONED ALONG A NEW CARLISLE PIKE HERE AND HERE, AND THERE'S A LARGE TRACK OF INDUSTRIAL, UH, BACK HERE AS WELL.
UH, IN THE APPLICATION THE, UH, THE APPLICANT DOES REFER TO, TO THESE INDUSTRIAL SITES.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE, UM, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ALONG NEW CARLISLE PIKE.
THERE IS NOT PUBLIC WATER SEWER ALONG TAYLORSVILLE, NOR ARE THERE ANY, UM, CURRENT PLANS TO EXTEND THAT DOWN TAYLORSVILLE.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE REPLAT THAT IS BEING SUGGESTED.
SO, UH, NORTH IS TO YOUR, UH, TO THE RIGHT.
SO I, I ORIENTED IT, SO IT WOULD FIT ON THE SCREEN.
UM, SO THIS IS THE ONE AND A HALF ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT WOULD REMAIN.
AND THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE RIGHT HERE, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THIS IS THE FLAG LOT.
THAT WOULD BE THE INDUSTRIAL ZONED AREA, THE BUSINESSES, THE BUSINESSES RIGHT HERE, UH, ALONG WITH A LITTLE BIT OF STORAGE THAT IF YOU SAW, YOU COULD SEE FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, AS PART OF THIS, WE ARE, IF THIS IS TO BE APPROVED, WE ARE REQUIRING THE DEDICATION OF ROUGHLY 30 ISH FEET OF, UH, OF AWAY ALONG TAYLORSVILLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, LISTS TAYLORSVILLE AS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE WITH A MINIMUM RIGHT AWAY WITH OF 70 FEET.
UH, SO THIS BASICALLY GIVES FROM THE CENTER LINE TO THE FRONT OF WHAT WILL BE THE NEW FRONT YARD, UH,
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35 FEET.SO THIS KIND OF STARTED, UH, LAST AUGUST.
UM, AND MOST OF WHAT I HAVE IN THIS NARRATIVE CAME FROM THE MINUTES OF THE BZA, UH, MEETING.
SO IN AUGUST 21, UM, THERE WAS A COMPLAINT THAT LED TO A ZONING ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
UM, THESE ARE THE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN AT THE TIME OF THE, UH, TRACTOR TRAILER, UH, THAT WERE, UH, ON STORAGE ON THE LOT IN THE BACK THAT WERE BEING REPAIRED.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE COMPLAINT LED TO A ZONING ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A USE VARIANCE FROM THE BZA, WHICH WAS THE APPROPRIATE ACTION.
UH, BZA UNANIMOUSLY DENIED THAT VARIANCE TO REQUEST, UM, CITY STAFF THEN INSTRUCTED THE APPLICANT AFTER THE, UM, THE DENIAL THAT THEY COULD APPLY FOR A LOT SPLIT IN REZONING AS AN ALTERNATE, UH, PATH FORWARD.
AND SO, UH, IN MARCH 22 OF THIS YEAR, UH, THERE WAS AN T AGAIN, ANOTHER, UH, ZONING ENFORCEMENT ACTION INITIATED, UH, AND THEN THE APPLICANT FILED THE REZONING AND LOT SPLIT APPLICATION, UH, SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A FAIRLY DETAILED, UM, UH, NOTES, UH, ABOUT THE, THE APPLICANT, THE SUBDIVISION AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND I WON'T HIT EVERY POINT IN THE, UH, IN MY STAFF REPORT, BUT I'LL HIT WHAT I THINK ARE THE, THE MAJOR ITEMS. UM, SO THE APPLICABLE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, WHICH WE OFTEN DON'T REALLY GET INTO, UH, HERE IS 1,109, THE SUBDIVISION DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE APPLICABLE ZONING CHAPTERS ARE 1171, WHICH ARE THE GENERAL PROVISIONS AND THEN 1177, THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT REGULATIONS.
SO I'LL START WITH THE, THE PLAT FIRST.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH A SUBDIVISION AND ZONING REGULATIONS, A LOT ONE MY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL LOT, THAT'S THE ROUGHLY ONE THIRD TO ONE AND A HALF ACRE.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH IS PERMITTED IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE LOT WOULD BE 1.3 ACRES, WHICH IS CONFORMING A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE AS REQUIRED IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UM, THE LOT FRONTAGE WOULD GO FROM 200 FEET TO, UH, JUST UNDER 160 FEET, UH, THAT DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE ZONING CODE.
UH, IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, A MINIMUM OF 200 FEET IS, IS, UH, REQUIRED.
THE YARDS WOULD BE CONFORMING THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR WOULD ALL CONFORM TO THE AGRICULTURAL, UM, DISTRICT REC REGULATION.
SO IT'S, THE FRONTAGE WOULD BE THE MINOR.
UM, NON-CONFORMITY THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC WATER SEWER CURRENTLY, UM, ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND UNDER, UH, 11 0 9 17.
I, UH, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WHERE THERE'S NO PUBLIC WATER SEWER SHOULD BE, UH, 200 FEET.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A, A, UH, PERMIT FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY HEALTH WOULDN'T BE ISSUED IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT ISN'T A MINIMUM OF THE ZONING OR THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AS FAR AS LOT TWO.
UM, THAT IS THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE INDUST PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UH, THE USE OF TRUCK OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPAIR IS PERMITTED IN THE PLAIN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE LOT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF ACRES, WHICH IS CONFORMING.
THERE IS NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN PLANT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, A LOT FRONTAGE OF 40 TO 41 AND A HALF FEET GIVE OR TAKE IS CONFORMING.
UH, 35 FEET IS THE MINIMUM FRONTAGE AND THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS REALLY JUST LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE A DRIVEWAY.
UH, BACK INTO THE LOT, THE YARDS WOULD ALL BE CONFORMING TO THE, UM, PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THIS WOULD HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, UH, IN REGARD TO THE MINIMUM FRONTAGE FOR A PUBLIC SEWER.
UM, THE LOT, FOR LOT FRONTAGE IS NOT 200 FEET IN REALITY.
THIS ONLY BECOMES AN ISSUE IF THE LOTS ARE EVER SOLD SEPARATELY.
UM, AGAIN, UM, THAT THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE COULD NOT BE, BUT THAT REALLY ONLY, I THINK ONLY IS AN ISSUE, UH, IF THESE LOTS ARE SPLIT IN THE FUTURE.
SO AS FAR AS THE LOT SPLIT ANALYSIS, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE FIVE ACRES WILL BE TWO NEW LOTS, UM, AND WHICH WOULD CREATE ONE MINOR NONCONFORMITY.
AND THAT IS LOT ONE HAVING LESS FRONTAGE THEN
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IS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.UM, THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS DO NOT PROHIBIT FLAG LOTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CREATING.
THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THOSE THROUGHOUT, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, HOWEVER, WE, I RECOMMEND THAT THE RECORD PLAN ONLY BE APPROVED IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THE REZONING, THEY REALLY NEED TO GO HAND IN HAND.
THERE'S NO SENSE IN SUBDIVIDING THIS WITHOUT THE REZONING.
SECOND, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOT SPLIT? NOPE.
SO, UH, MOVING ON TO CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING, UM, REGULATIONS.
SO THIS ANALYSIS IS BASED ON THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN MARCH.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE HUBER ZONING CODE ASSUMES THAT REZONINGS TO PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT REALLY ONLY OCCUR AS PART OF A REDEVELOPMENT OR A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS NOT INDICATED ANY NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE NOR IS SUBMITTED A BASIC, UH, NOR HAVE THEY SUBMITTED A FORMAL, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT BEING CONTEMPLATED.
THEREFORE, UH, WE'RE ASSUMING, OR WE'RE GOING TO USE THE RECORD PLAN DATED MAY 4TH, WHICH WAS THE REVISED RECORD PLAN TO SERVE AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED TRUCK AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPAIR IS PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED WITH THE PLAN WITHIN THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
I MENTIONED, UH, THAT THERE IS NO, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT BASED ON THE PLAT, UM, THE LOT DOES MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS OR CONCERNS, WHICH I WILL DETAIL IN MY STAFF REPORT.
UM, I HAD CALLED OUT THAT THERE THAT THE SIDE YARD COULD BE AN ISSUE IN THE FUTURE THAT THE BUILDING COULD BE NONCONFORMING IF, UH, THE BUILDING WAS GREATER THAN 25 FEET.
UH, SINCE I WROTE THE STAFF REPORT, UM, THE BUILDING A VARIANCE WAS ISSUED IN 2016, UH, FOR A 16 FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE.
SO IT DOES THIS BUILDING DOES CONFORM TO THE SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE OTHER CONDITION IS, UM, UNDER, UNDER THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT ALL USES BE WITHIN A ENCLOSED BUILDING.
AS YOU SAW FROM THE PHOTOS AND BE SEEN FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOS, THERE IS OUTDOOR STORAGE.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE, UH, ACTIVITIES HAVE OCCURRED OUTDOORS.
UM, I HAD REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT, THEY, HE IS AWARE OF THIS CONDITION AND IS AGREED TO MOVE ALL OF THE OPERATIONS IN DOORS.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT, UM, THIS SITE'S NOT READILY AVAIL OF VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET.
SO IF THERE ARE VIOLATIONS, THOSE ARE LARGELY GOING TO BE COMPLAINTS MADE BY THE NEIGHBORS.
AND A LOT OF THAT WILL FALL ON, ON THEM.
SO AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS, UM, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AS FAR AS THE ANALYSIS OF THE W UH, APPROVAL FOR THE PUD, UM, QUESTIONS, WHETHER IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ANY APPLICABLE PLANS AND POLICIES.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE ILLEGAL USE BY REQUESTING A REZONING, THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL AFTER THE BZA DENIED THE USE VARIANCE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THIS AREA SHOULD BE AGRICULTURAL AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, AND SO THE PROPOSED REZONING, UH, IN, IN OUR VIEW IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE APPLICANT IN HIS, UH, IN HIS, UH, STATEMENT AND THE APPLICATION REC, UM, DOES REFERENCE THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE AREAS, WHICH ARE ABOUT A QUARTER TO A HALF MILE A SITE.
SO THE MO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN, UH, ZONED CONSISTENTLY TO THE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
UH, SO, AND IN THIS CASE, NEITHER APICAL TO THE APPLICANT'S SITE, UM, WHETHER THE,
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THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE'S X ACCESS FROM PUBLIC ROADS ARE ADEQUATE TO CARRY THE TRAFFIC, ET CETERA.SO TAYLORSVILLE IS, UM, CLASSIFIED AS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE IN THE CITY OF THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AS I MENTIONED, 35 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY WILL BE DEDICATED, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UNDER ITEM D.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL PROPOSE AN UNDUE BURDEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS USE IS NOT HISTORICALLY IMPOSED, UH, AT THIS SITE, ANY UNDUE BURDEN TO PUBLIC SERVICES.
WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE MOVING FORWARD, UM, WHETHER OR NOT.
SO ITEM F IS REGARDING LANDSCAPING AGAINST THE NO PUBLIC AND PR NO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY HAVE BEEN, UM, PROPOSED AND, UH, KNOWN ARE REQUIRED.
ACTUALLY, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THE APPLICANT IN HIS APPLICATION DID STATE THAT, UM, THEY ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE BUFFERING TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT WERE THE STATEMENTS IN THE APPLICATION ITEM J AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THIS USE CREATES EXCESSIVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC COST, UH, FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES OR SERVICES, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY PUBLIC FACILITIES OR SERVICES WOULD BE NECESSARY DUE TO THIS, UH, REZONING REQUEST.
THIS HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL FOR EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AS IT HAS.
IT IS A, AND THEN K WHETHER OR NOT THE USE INVOLVES ACTIVITIES OR PROCESSES, UM, THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY PERSON OR PROPERTY, UH, OR THE GENERAL WELFARE DUE TO EXCESSIVE TRAFFIC NOISE SMOKE, ET CETERA.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS REZONE REQUEST AROSE DUE TO, UM, COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS REGARDING THE OPERATION OF THIS, UH, THIS REPAIR FACILITY.
UM, ACCORDING TO THE TESTIMONY OR THE SEASON, I SHOULD SAY THE MINUTES OF THE BZA HEARING, CAUSE I WASN'T THERE, UM, THAT IT WAS THE COMPLAINTS CENTERED ON THE NOISE OF THE DIESEL ENGINES AND THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION DUE TO VEHICLES MOVING ON AND OFF SITE, ADDITIONAL CONCERNS WERE RAISED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION OF DRINKING WATER, WELLS.
UM, AND, AND SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS REZONING, UH, POSSIBLY LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION MAY REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THIS FACILITY, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS, UH, UNDER CONDITIONER, UH, CATEGORY, UH, L UM, REZONING, THE LAND TO THE PEW DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHALL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC PEACE, HEALTH, MORAL SAFETY OR WELFARE.
SO, AS I INDICATED ABOVE, UM, NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE NOISE, UH, AS WELL AS GROUNDWATER POLLUTION DURING THE BZA HEARING.
SO REALLY THE RESIDENTS AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE THE ONES MOST IMPACTED BY THIS USE.
UM, I DON'T SEE REALLY AT LARGER IMPACT HERE, BUT SINCE, UM, ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG TAYLORSVILLE GET THEIR DRINKING WATER FROM PUBLIC WELLS, I THINK THIS CONCERN, UM, SHOULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED.
SO IT IS STAFFED OPINION THAT THE REZONING TO THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN 1 71 0 6, UM, SPECIFICALLY THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF, UH, 11 71 0 6, A K AND L AS I MENTIONED.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REPLAT AND THE REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL.
HOWEVER, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DETERMINES THE REZONING REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, SECTION 11 71 0 6, UH, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY ZONING BUSINESS LICENSES REQUIRED BY HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT THE BUSINESS, UM, ALL OPERATIONS SHALL OCCUR INDOORS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE PLAN, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT, PARTS, INOPERABLE, OR JUNK VEHICLE SHE'LL BE ALLOWED.
UH, AND OTHER MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EQUIPMENT OR BUSINESS NEED TO BE INDOORS CONDITION.
NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE THAT THE REPAIRED VEHICLES SHE'LL ONLY STAY ON SITE NO LONGER THAN FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
THE APPLICANT WOULD COMPLY WITH HERE AT HEIGHTS FIRE DEPARTMENT REGARDING ONSITE STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS OR INDUSTRIAL MATERIALS, AND THEN LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM EIGHT TO SIX, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
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UH, ACTION, UH, YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS.YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, UM, AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS YOU CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REZONING, UM, ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE SHOULDN'T, UH, STATE WHY OR, UM, TABLE THE APPLICATION TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF JEFFERIES.
AARON IS THE, I GUESS THE COMMENT ABOUT NUMBER ONE ON THE RECOMMENDATION THEY SHALL OBTAIN BUSINESS LICENSES.
DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED AS A BUSINESS IN THE CITY CURRENTLY? SO, UM, THERE IS NO BUSINESS ALLOWED, SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, THERE IS NOT A BUSINESS LICENSING REQUIREMENT IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, WHAT I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WAS ONE GETTING ZONING PERMITS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, THE USE, AS WELL AS GETTING IT ON THE ANNUAL INSPECTION AND FIRE DEPARTMENT INSPECTION ROUTINE FOR, UH, EVERY OTHER BUSINESS, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUSINESS.
AND SO IT'S NOT BEEN INSPECTED.
AND THEN ON THE 2016 VARIANTS ON THE STRUCTURE, DO WE KNOW WHAT USE WAS IT? IT WAS EXPLAINED AS FAR AS WHY THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE BACK THEN.
AND IT WAS NEVER ASKED THAT WAS, UH, CHECKED ON THAT IT WAS ONLY A TWO FOOT VARIANCE ON THE, TO THE HEIGHTS.
SO IT WAS A MINOR IN, IN REALITY, A MINOR VARIANCE.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE BUILDING MATERIALS ON THE BUILDING? HOW WOULD THAT COMPLY WITH WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE IF IT WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT? UM, SINCE IT'S, THERE'S NO REAL FRONTAGE, IT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THAT BUILDING MATERIAL REQUIREMENT, BUT WOULDN'T, THERE ALWAYS BE FRONTAGE.
IF THERE WAS A LOT SPLIT, THEN THERE WOULD BE FRONTAGE TO THAT LINE.
IT'S TOO FAR BACK FROM TAYLORSVILLE.
SO ANY BUSINESS, IF THEY BUILT FAR ENOUGH BACK, WE CAN IGNORE OUR FURNITURE REQUIREMENTS OR THEY ARE OUR BUILDING MATERIALS REQUIREMENTS IN THE PLAIN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS FARGO? UM, IF THIS LOT SHOULD BE SOLD IN THE FUTURE SEPARATELY, HOW, HOW WOULD WE DEAL WITH THE NON-CONFORMING ROAD FRONTAGE AT THAT TIME? THE ONLY, UM, SO THE ONLY LOT THAT IS, UH, WOULD BE NONCONFORMING WOULD BE THE RESIDENTS LOT.
UM, AND, UM, THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL LOT, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER THAT ARE, THAT ARE LESS THAN 200 FEET WIDE.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT REALLY BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
SO A ROAD FRONTAGE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE BACKLOT BECAUSE IF ONLY IF IT'S ZONED PLANNED INDUSTRIAL.
THE BIGGER ISSUE IN MY VIEW WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT A NEW WELL COULD BE S UH, SUNK FOR THAT, UM, FOR THAT BUSINESS, THAT PLAN INDUSTRIAL.
SO WHAT NOW IS AN ACCESSORY USE WOULD NEED A NEW, WELL, IF, UH, THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE ORDERED TO BE SOLD SEPARATELY FROM THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
AND THE, UH, ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE LAST LOT ON TAYLORSVILLE BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT, WHATEVER THAT VALLEY, WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU HAD IT ON THE MAP.
THERE IS, IT'S NOT ALSO INDUSTRIAL, UM, RIGHT THERE, THAT ONE ARE THOSE INDUSTRIAL.
IT IS, UH, IT IS, UH, I THINK B ONE, I THINK IT'S BUSINESS ONE.
SO THE INDUSTRY, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ALL INDUSTRIAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S, NON-RESIDENTIAL THEY HAVE WATER? IS IT A AND S AND SEWER? IS IT HUMOR OR IS IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IT'S HUMOR? UM, THAT GOES ALONG, UM, UH, NEW CARLISLE PIKE.
AND THEN, UH, THERE IS A PLAN, THERE ARE PLANS TO EXTEND WILL ACTUALLY ENLARGE THE SEWER ALONG NEW CARLISLE, UH, WHICH WILL THEN ULTIMATELY DUMP INTO THE, UM, FAIRBORN TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, DON'T WHERE DID YOU, MISS MENTIONED LIGHTING BEING AN ISSUE WITH A NEIGHBOR? HAS THAT NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP AT ALL? THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP IN ANY NEIGHBORS HERE.
UH, DO YOU KNOW IF THE, IF THE EPA WOULD BECOME INVOLVED IN INSPECTING THAT FACILITY FOR DISPOSAL OF OIL OR WHATEVER, UH, KINDS OF FLUID THEY MAY HAVE, THAT WOULD BE UNLIKELY, UH, UNLESS THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT SPILL INTO, UH, INTO A WATERWAY OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOUND THEMSELVES, UM, DEALING WITH THE SITUATION GREATER THAN THEY EXPECTED OR SIGNIFICANTLY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE HERE JUST KNOWING THE NATURE OF, OF DIESEL REPAIR WORK.
UH, IT'S MORE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
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MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STORED CORRECTLY IN, IN NOT IN, YOU KNOW, FLAME RESISTANT CABINETS SO THAT THEY'RE, YOU'RE REDUCING THE RISK OF POTENTIAL FIRE IN AN AREA THAT DOES NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIRE HYDRANTS OR PUBLIC, UH, WATER.AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
OR A BUILDING THAT'S NOT SPRINKLED MR. JEFFRIES.
ON THE, UH, THE DATES, I GUESS.
SO IN AUGUST OF 2021, THE ENFORCEMENT WAS INITIATED THEN IN OCTOBER, THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED.
IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FOLLOWUP RE UH, I GUESS ISSUE, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THEY, THEY, THEY WEREN'T COMING FORWARD FOR THIS REZONING UNTIL ENFORCEMENT STARTED PUSHING THEIR HAND AT THIS POINT? OR WAS THERE A REASON FOR THE DELAY FROM OCTOBER TO MARCH? I DO NOT KNOW THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
I JUST KNOW THAT THE, THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED SHORTLY THEREAFTER OF THE, UM, MARCH ENFORCEMENT ACTION IS THOMAS.
SO I WOULD, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE GROUND POLLUTION WITH DIESEL FUEL OIL.
HOW MUCH DOES THAT, UH, SEEKING SEEPING INTO THE GROUND AND CAN LEAK OVER TO THE NEIGHBORS AND POTENTIALLY CAUSE A HAZARD FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FARM ANIMALS OR, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FIVE AND SIX ACRE, LOTS OUT THERE.
THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST HOW WAS HE, HOW, HOW ARE THEY TRAPPING ALL OF THAT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO GROUND POLLUTION, ESPECIALLY IF THE EPA IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT AND DO ANY KIND OF INSPECTION AND SAY THEY'RE CLEAR TO DO BUSINESS, OR I THINK THAT WAS A CONCERN OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL DURING THE BZA MEETING.
AND THE FI I THINK YOU SAID THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INSPECTIONS WOULD, SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT THIS IS THAT THIS BUSINESS GET ON THAT INSPECTION SCHEDULE, WHICH THEY CURRENTLY ARE NOT CAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS BUSINESS.
AND HOW OFTEN IS THAT INSPECTION SCHEDULE? UH, THEY, THEY TRY AND I THINK IT'S ANNUALLY, UH, AND THEY TRIED TO GET TO EVERY, AND I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL ABOUT GETTING AND, UM, OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, I ASSUME HUBER IS THE SAME.
UM, THEY, THEY BASICALLY RANK THAT THE HAZARD POTENTIAL AND INSPECT THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE A GREATER RISK MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THOSE WHO HAVE LOW RISK ITEMS. UH, IT IS NOT THIS AREA I DID CHECK IS NOT WITHIN THE WEALTH FIELD, UH, HAZARD AREA.
SO THERE WAS NO CONCERN ABOUT THE LARGER, UM, DRINKING WATER SYSTEM WITHIN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
BUT, UM, I THINK THE, EXCUSE ME, LIKE I SAID, DURING THE BZA MEETING, THE MINUTES REFLECT CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT POTENTIAL POLLUTION OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL WELLS IT'S THOMAS.
SO, UM, THEY'RE ON A WELL, THERE'S NO FIRE HYDRANTS.
SO IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF FIRE OR EXPLOSION, DOES OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO BRING ENOUGH WATER TRUCKS IN TO CONTAIN THAT FROM GOING TO OTHER NEIGHBORS AND CAUSING HARM TO THEIR, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, SO BOTTOM LINE IS YES, THEY, THEY HAVE THE, UM, UM, EQUIPMENT TO HANDLE THAT THE, I DON'T HAVE A BETTER SITE PLAN, BUT THIS IS THE, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING RIGHT NOW, IN QUESTION, IT IS PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM ANY OTHER, UH, BUILDING OR STRUCTURE ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
SO I, UNLESS THERE WAS A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY STRONG WIND, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD OF SPREAD IS PRETTY LOW BEFORE IT COULD BE CONTAINED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE STORMS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH HERE IN THE PAST AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD ONE MOVE THROUGH PRETTY HIGH WINDS.
THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS, MR. JEFFREY.
AND 1109, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT ALL STREETS WITHIN PLAIN INDUSTRIAL HAVE TO HAVE A WIDTH AND NOT LESS THAN 40 FEET, WOULD THAT NOT BE APPLICABLE HERE? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO PUBLIC STREET THAT IS BEING, UM, PLANNED.
UM, REALLY THE, THE WIDTH WOULD BE, I BELIEVE IT'S A, A 35 FOOT MOUTH HERE IS REQUIRED IN THE, UH, PLAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
AND SO THIS AT THE MOMENT, SINCE IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER, THIS IS A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
UM, THERE IS NO PUBLIC 40 FOOT PUBLIC STREET THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
IT'S BASICALLY WOULD JUST BE A LONG DRIVEWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? THIS IS A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES BACK TO THE, UM, BUILDING IN THE BACK.
UM, IS, IS IT CURRENTLY PAID OR IS IT JUST, UH, DIRT OR WHAT IS IT NOW? IT'S A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THAT, THAT SERVES THE
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RESIDENTS HERE AND THEN GOES BACK TO A GRAVELED PARKING LOT IN THE BACK.UM, IN A PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WHEN A BUILDING WOULD BE THIS FAR SETBACK, WHAT WE, A NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE MAYBE A 50 FOOT, UH, PAVED OR CONCRETE, UM, DRIVEWAY MOUTH, SO THAT WE'RE NOT DRAGGING, UH, OR TO THE BEST OF THE ABILITY, NOT DRAGGING A LOT OF GRAVEL ONTO THE, UH, THE PRIMARY ROAD, UM, SINCE NO IMPROVEMENTS ARE BEING MADE.
UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN OPERATING THIS WAY FOR EIGHT TO 10 YEARS.
THAT IS NOT A CONDITION THAT, THAT I THOUGHT WAS NECESSARY, BUT IT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MAY FIND, UM, IMPORTANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE SHOULD OPEN UP THE ZONING CASE TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, ON MIKE'S GATEWAYS IS MY HOUSE AND I'M GREG PAGE REPRESENT MR.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS.
I, THIS MEANS THAT BOTH EXPEDITE AND COORDINATE THE PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO HAPPY TO BE SWORN IN IF YOU WANT THEM TO BE GREAT.
CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR FROM HIM THREATENING PERJURY TO TELL HER THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.
UH, WE RUN A TRUCK AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT REPAIR BUSINESS.
AND THEN ON THE PROPERTY, WE BRING LARGE REPAIRS BACK LIKE AN ENGINE JOB, OR TRANSMISSION JOB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S LARGELY DONE ONSITE, DO YOU MEAN AT THE SITE OF YOUR CUSTOMER? YEAH.
MY CUSTOMERS LOTS, WHEREVER THEIR TRUCKER EQUIPMENT IS BROKEN DOWN, WE GO THERE AND REPAIR IT.
AND THE ONLY VEHICLES THAT ARE BROUGHT TO THE SITE ARE FOR ENGINE OR TRANSMISSION REPAIR? YES.
NOW ON AVERAGE, ABOUT HOW MANY TRUCKS A WEEK DO YOU BELIEVE OR BROUGHT TO THE PROPERTY? UH, ONE TO THREE, MAYBE.
ONE TO THREE IN THOSE TRUCKS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO THE PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE TRAILERS ATTACHED TO THEM.
NO TRAILER TRUCKS, JUST TRUCKS.
SO NOW THAT THEY ARE ON A VERY RARE OCCASION, WE GET THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, A VERY RARE OCCASION TOTAL? YEAH.
BUT THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY ARE DRIVEN IN ROUGHLY THREE TIMES A WEEK ON THE MAX.
AND AS YOU DRIVE THOSE TRUCKS IN, IS IT ANY DIFFERENT TURNING OFF TAYLORSVILLE ONTO THE DRIVEWAY THAN IT WOULD BE TAKING A CAR? NO DIFFERENT.
AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR DO YOU THINK THE BUSINESS HAS TO HAVE A GIFT OF TOWED IT AROUND FIVE TIMES? PROBABLY.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF A BUSINESS YEAR, FIVE TIMES, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN INCIDENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO TOW A VEHICLE RATHER THAN DRIVE IT INDIRECTLY.
NOW IN INSPECTING YOU SAW A PHOTOGRAPH THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER OF A NUMBER OF VEHICLES BEING STORED, UH, IN, IN LINE FOR REPAIR, ARE YOU CAPABLE OF RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS WITH EVERYTHING INSIDE THE STORE AND JUST HAVE TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS YOU'D HAVE ONSITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME? YEAH.
WE'D PROBABLY SCHEDULE THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND JUST BRING THINGS IN AS NEEDED IF NEEDED YET.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE SPACE FOR IT.
CERTAINLY IF THAT'S A CONDITION THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE OPERATIONS ARE ALL DONE IN DOOR, UM, YOU WOULD, YES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT WAS THERE A REFERENCE TO WORK BEING DONE ON THE GRAVEL PORTION OF, OF A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT ACCURATE AS IT NOW.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF
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BUILDING AS A PULL BARN.AND IT HAS A CONCRETE SLAB FLOOR.
AND IT HAS ELECTRIC INTO IT AND IT HAS A WATER SPICKET.
NOW YOUR BUSINESS IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO ON THE VERY RARE OCCASION, SOMEONE MIGHT DROP, TRAVEL THAT DRIVEWAY BACK TO THE BUSINESS YET.
NOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, UM, IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE BZA WAS ISSUES RELATED TO NOISE.
NOW, WHAT TYPES OF TOOLS ARE YOU TYPICALLY USING WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE REPAIR OPERATIONS AT THE VILLAGE? UH, RANCHES BATTERY OPERATED IMPACTS AND BATTERY OPERATED, UH, RATCHETS.
AND, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS, I GUESS, THE SOUND AS IT RELATES TO A DIESEL ENGINE, HOW, HOW FREQUENTLY DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY IS A DIESEL ENGINE, EVEN UP AND RUNNING, UH, FOR REPAIRING IT.
IT'S NOT WHERE YOU USUALLY, I MEAN, WE'LL START IT UP, PULL IT IN A BUILDING AND THEN IT'S NOT RUNNING UNTIL IT'S FIXED.
AND SO WHILE IT, IT, IT, YOU CAN HEAR THE DIESEL ENGINE WHILE YOU PULL IT IN THE BUILDING, THEN YOU DON'T HEAR IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHILE IT'S BEING REPAIRED.
AND THEN YOU MIGHT HEAR IT AGAIN WHEN YOU PULL IT OUT OF THEM.
SO IT'S NOT RUNNING ON A CONSTANT BASIS DURING THE DAY THROUGHOUT THE TIME REPAIRS ARE BEING MADE NICELY.
WHAT OTHER TYPES OF TOOLS, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT USE THAT MIGHT CREATE, UH, NOISE CONCERNS, PERHAPS? UH, AN AIR COMPRESSOR, BUT THEY'RE ONLY TURNED ON AS WE NEED THEM.
THEN WHAT DO YOU USE THE AIR COMPRESSOR FOR AND YOUR BUSINESS OPERATING, RUNNING A LARGE IMPACT, LIKE A ONE INCH IMPACT.
WHAT DO YOU USE A ONE INCH IMPACT PULLING A WHEEL ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE A HEAD BOLT THAT STUCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, A VERY LIMITED TIME PERIOD.
YOU MIGHT BE USING AN AREA THAT'S NO LOUDER THAN LIKE A LAWN MOWER.
AND THAT'S, MY QUESTION IS, IS, ARE ANY OF THE NOISES THAT YOU, THAT COME FROM FROM YOUR BUSINESS OPERATIONS ANY LOUDER THAN A, THAN A ZERO TURN RADIUS LAWNMOWER? NO, NOT REALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ONE OF THE ISSUES MIGHT BE DESCRIBED, BUT THERE ARE IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A CONCRETE COMPANY THAT WHILE IT WAS NOT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IS JUST TO THE NORTH, UH, ON THAT SCREEN UP THERE.
AND IT IS A VERY LOUD BUSINESS.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THERE'S OTHER TRUCK REPAIR SHOPS ALONG NEW CARLISLE PIKE, THERE'S TWO.
AND SO WE REFERENCED THOSE SO THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE AN IDEA THAT, OKAY, THERE IS SOME NOISE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER NOISE GOING ON IN THAT AREA WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF MY CLIENT'S BUSINESS OPERATIONS THAT MAKE FAR MORE NOISE THAN HIS BUSINESS OPERATIONS DO.
AND SO WE WEREN'T SUGGESTING THAT WE WERE SIMILARLY SITUATED BUSINESSES OKAY.
IN TERMS OF OUR ACCESS TO WATER AND PUBLIC SEWER, BUT WE WERE INTIMATING THAT OUR NOISE COMPONENT TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS IS RELATIVELY MINOR COMPARED TO BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING IN THE DIRECT DESCENT.
NOW THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED AGAIN AND LEGITIMATE ONES REGARDING, UH, POLLUTION CONTAMINATION AND THE LIGHT.
UM, YOU HAD A HISTORY OF WORKING FOR TWO LARGE TRUCK REPAIR COMPANIES, UH, KENWORTH AND FREIGHTLINER.
AND DID YOU LEARN YOUR OPERATIONAL PROTOCOLS THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCE? I DID.
AND HOW LONG DID YOU WORK WITH THOSE TWO LARGE COMPANIES? UH, KEN WORKED.
I WORKED FOR TWO YEARS AND FREIGHTLINER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE.
AND DID YOU TAKE THE PROTOCOLS REGARDING HOW TO MANAGE, UH BY-PRODUCTS AND WASTE FROM YOUR OPERATIONS THROUGH YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH KENWORTH AND FREIGHTLINER? I DID.
NOW TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU DO TO MITIGATE ANY RISKS OR PROTECT AGAINST ANY RISK OF ANY OIL.
UH, ONE I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONCRETE FLOOR, BUT, UM, IF THERE IS AN OIL SPILL, HOW DO YOU MITIGATE THE RISK AGAINST ANYTHING? LEAVING THE CONCRETE FLOOR? THE OFFICE BILLS ON FLORA WE USE WHAT'S CALLED THEY'RE ABSORBING LARGE ABSORBENT PADS.
WE CALL IT PIG MATS, AND IT'S ALL CLEANED UP WITH THAT.
AND AT ANY TIME IN THE 10 YEARS YOU'VE BEEN OPERATING THERE, HAVE YOU EVER HAD A SPILL THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO CONTAIN QUICKLY? NEVER.
AND AS YOU'RE DOING THE WORK, DO YOU DO ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OIL THAT IS CONTAINED IN OTHER FLUIDS OF, OF THE, THE VEHICLES YOU'RE REPAIRING OUR CONTRACT CONTAINS? YEAH.
EVERYTHING IS DRAINED INTO A SELF-ENCLOSED DRAIN PAN, AND THEN IT'S PUMPED OUT OF THAT AND TO A TANK, THEN A WASTE OIL COMPANY WILL COME AND TAKE IT.
SO YOU USE A SELF CONSTRAINT, DATE DRAIN PAN THAT GETS PUMPED INTO A LARGE, IT'S A 200 GALLON TANK TANK.
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TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR, A THIRD PARTY COMES IN AND REMOVES ALL THAT WASTE FOR YOU.AND THEN THEY TAKE IT OFF SITE.
ONE OF, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT AT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UM, HEARING ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT A POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION.
AND DID HE INDICATE WHETHER HE HAD HIS WELL TESTED FOR ANY ISSUE? THE LETTER HE SENT AND SAID HE HAD AS WELL-TESTED? YES.
AND WERE THERE ANY NEGATIVE RESULTS ON THAT TEST? NONE.
SO THE 10 YEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN OPERATION, ALBEIT PERHAPS NOT IN STRICT CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE, UM, YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE AFFECTED THAT WELLS, UH, VIABILITY? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
NOW IN THE PERFORMANCE OF YOUR, OF YOUR WORK, YOU'RE NOT CREATING ANY NOXIOUS ODORS.
NO, CERTAINLY NO MORE THAN YOU WOULD, IF YOU WERE OPERATING A LAWN TRACTOR.
NO EMISSIONS FROM THE VEHICLES.
NOW ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WAS, WAS RAISED OF CONCERN WAS, UM, TRAFFIC OR CONGESTION THAT MIGHT ARISE, UH, POTENTIALLY YOUR BUSINESS OPERATION.
NOW THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME VEHICLES, UM, WHEN YOU BRING A VEHICLE TO THE SITE, IT'S DRIVEN IT.
SO IT'S NOT BLOCKING TRAFFIC, CREATING CONGESTION ANY MORE THAN SOMEONE TURNING LEFT OR RIGHT INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN ABOUT FIVE TIMES A YEAR, YOU MIGHT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE IT TAKES A COUPLE OF SECONDS LONGER TO GET THE VEHICLE IN AND OFF THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S BEING TAUGHT.
NOW, DO YOU HAVE, UM, NOT REALIZE AT THE TIME THE APPLICATION WAS MADE, THESE PLANS HAD NOT BEEN FINALIZED, BUT DO YOU HAVE CURRENTLY, UM, A PLAN, UM, TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY PAGE? YEAH.
BY THE END OF NEXT MONTH, COOPER BLACKTOPS COMING IN ARE GOING TO WIDEN THE APRON AND PAVED THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, UM, THE IDEA BEING TO WIDEN THE APRON AND YOU'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WIDEN IT TO WHATEVER THE COMMISSIONER IS DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
AND THERE'S CERTAINLY ENOUGH SPACE TO MAKE IT AT LEAST 46 FEET WIDE.
AND THAT WOULD, IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION FURTHER ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE A MUCH LARGER AREA TO TOW INTO THIS.
NOW, UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS RAISED ALSO AT THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS WAS THAT FOLKS MAY BE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS BUSINESS, UM, WOULD LOWER THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL PRESENTED TO THE BZA ON THAT POINT.
AND IN FACT, THE PERSON THAT BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, THE PRICE POINT THAT THEY BOUGHT OUT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE PRIOR OWNER PURCHASED BOTH HOUSES THAT WERE SOLD NEXT TO ME AND WENT FOR WAY MORE THAN WHAT THEY BOTH PAID FOR THEM.
AND, UM, IF YOU'RE PERMITTED TO HAVE THIS BUSINESS OPERATIONS THERE AND WITH, OF COURSE, ANY COUNTY OR CITY OVERSIGHT OF ANY ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS YOU MIGHT MAKE, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO FURTHER, UM, INCREASE THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR ROUGHLY 10 TO 12 YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 1510 HERE, 10 HERE.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND AS STAFF POINTED OUT, UM, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE BUILDING FROM THE STREET.
SO CONTINUING IN THIS BUSINESS, OPERATIONS, NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT WILL CHANGE ANYTHING.
NOW, UM, YOU ARE LICENSED IN DAYTON, AWHILE.
YOUR BUSINESS, MY BUSINESS SAYS YES.
IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAY TO THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING UNLESS THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
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UM, HARDLY TO WHERE TO START.I START WITH THE THINGS THAT I REALLY LIKE, THAT YOU HAVE SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO OR HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE CITY LAND FOR WIDENING, UH, THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, ACCORDING TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN, WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
UM, YOU'VE AGREED TO DO ADDITIONAL SCREENING IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
AND I NOTICED THAT YOU DO HAVE EXTENSIVE SCREENING AND THE FRONT PART, BUT NOT IN THE BACK PART.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S, UM, UH, THE SCREENING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO DO THE TREES.
AND, UM, YOU'VE AGREED TO STORE EVERYTHING INSIDE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
UH, AND YOU'VE AGREED TO WIDEN THE APRON AND ALSO PAVE THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO DO TO IMPROVE YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT HOURS? DO YOU HAVE OUT SET HOURS OF OPERATION? UH, I'M USUALLY IN THE HOUSE BY FIVE O'CLOCK.
IS THIS YOUR FULL-TIME JOB? IS IT, ARE YOU WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO.
SO IF WE LIMITED YOUR HOURS, WHICH THAT WAS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR YOU.
AND LIKE I SAID, EIGHT TO EIGHT TO SIX, I BELIEVE WAS THE SUGGESTED TIME, BUT THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION.
UM, HAVE YOU HA HAS, UM, IF THE OUTSIDE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, DOES IT HAVE LIKE NIGHTLIGHTS ON IT OR THE BIG, WE HAVE TWO MOTION LIGHTS ON EMOTION LINES.
SO HAVE YOU HAD COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT LIGHTING? YES.
THEY JUST SHINE BASICALLY DOWN ON THE GROUND.
SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WALKED OUT THERE OR SOMETHING GOES OUT THERE, THEN WE SEE THE LIGHTS COME ON.
SO LIGHTING, THAT'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
AND, UM, NOW THE, THE ONE THING I'M HAVING A REAL PROBLEM WITH IS THE, YOU'VE BEEN AN OPERATION AT THAT LOCATION.
AND YET THE CITY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU WERE OPERATING UNTIL 20, 21.
UH, UH, I, UH, AND THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WAS A COMPLAINT.
UH, YOU HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE MOVED IN AND CAN COMPANION, CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE COMPLAINT? UH, THEY COMPLAINED AND THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT, WELL, WATER CONTAMINATION AND, UM, A TOW TRUCK BRINGING A TRUCK IN ONE TIME.
WELL, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE TRASH TRUCKS AND MAILMAN AND THE CONCRETE TRUCKS UP AND DOWN TAILORS.
I'VE GOT A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS A DUMPSTER IN HIS TRASH TRUCK COMES IN NOW PICK IT UP EVERY WEEK.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A QUESTION MARK FOR ME.
UM, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS THERE AND NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT.
AND UNTIL 21 AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE SINCE WHAT YEAR? 20, 20 12.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
UM, NOW YOU'RE DRIVING THESE TRUCKS IN, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
AND WHILE YOU'RE IN A RURAL SETTING, THE PROPERTIES ARE NOT TO ME.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE AERIAL VIEW, THE HOMES ARE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO YOUR WHERE YOU WOULD BE DRIVING IT IN.
UM, I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE OF THE OTHER AREAS, NOT BEING LOUDER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD BE, BUT YET WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING A SEMI BESIDE A HOUSE, ISN'T THAT, UM, KIND OF LOUD? UH, I MEAN, NOT TO ME, IT ISN'T, TO ME, IT'S NOT, NO, NO.
YOU'RE INSIDE OF IT WHEN YOU'RE USED TO IT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL PROBLEM THERE.
UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUFFERING AREA, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT TREES.
WE GOT A, SO BASICALLY THEM LONG, SKINNY PINE TREES THAT GROW UP AND THEY GROW TOGETHER TO FORM A WALL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE USE FOR BUFFERING.
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THAT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY.HOW FAR BACK WOULD YOU GO? WELL, JUST WHERE PARTS ARE OPEN THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE IT UP.
SO THE WAY IN THE VERY BACK THERE IS THERE FENCING BACK THERE, WHAT'S BACK THERE.
WELL, WHAT'S BEHIND COMPLETELY ALL THE WAY BEHIND US AS A FARM.
THERE'S HUNDREDS OF ACRES BACK THERE.
THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN THE AREA THAT'S RED THERE IN THE LOWER RIGHT SIDE OF THE PITCHER, THAT'S ALL HONEY.
SUPPOSE THERE'S ONLY ONE SMALL OPENING.
AND ON THE LEFT SIDE, THERE WAS LARGE PINE TREES UP IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD HEAR THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL SHED AND THEN A SWIMMING POOL.
AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER SMALLER AREA THAT'S OPEN.
UM, AND YOU SAID THAT, UH, YOU ONLY HAVE PEOPLE BACK THERE BY APPOINTMENT.
I MEAN, YOU WORK BY APPOINTMENT, SO ARE THEY COMING, ARE THE CUSTOMERS COMING BACK TO YOU THERE? VERY RARELY.
SO WHAT WE DO IS ONSITE MAINTENANCE.
SO EVERY DAY I GET UP AND I LEAVE, I'VE GOT A SERVICE TRUCK AND I LEAVE AND I GO TO THEIR LOT REPAIR WHAT I REPAIR THAT DAY.
AND THEN SOMETIMES I'LL KINDA HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE I HAVE A VEHICLE THERE AND RE AND WORK ON IT.
SO YOU SAID YOU STARTED A BUSINESS THERE 10 YEARS AGO, BUT 15 YEARS IS YOUR BUSINESS, WHERE WERE YOU AT BEFORE IN RIVERSIDE? WHAT KIND OF PROPERTY WAS IT? IT WAS JUST A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
WE WERE STRICTLY ON SITE AND I HAD A, UH, MY FATHER HAS A POLE BARN AND WE USED TO USE THAT BUILDING.
SO WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, YOU BOUGHT IT WITH THE INTENT OF THE BUSINESS BEING ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE USED TO BE A GUY OVER ON CHAMBERSBURG THAT I OWNED A COMPANY CALLED JIM'S REPAIR AND HE WAS IN BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS.
THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING I DID.
SO HOW LONG DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU WEREN'T PROPERLY ZONED? UM, UNTIL THE CITY CALLED ME AND TOLD ME COOL.
I WOULD THINK IF I WAS A BUSINESS MOVING INTO A, MY MOVING MY BUSINESS, I WOULD, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN REGULATIONS OUT THERE.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE TIMES.
WE EVEN CHECKED LEGAL UNDER THE AGRICULTURAL.
SO YOU KNEW IT WASN'T BUSINESS THEN? WELL, YEAH, IT'S A BUSINESS, BUT I MEAN, IF I WAS WORKING ON FARM TRACKERS, IT'D BE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU WERE MOVING A BUSINESS, WHY WE WOULD NOT MOVE IT TO A PLACE THAT WAS PROPERLY ZONED BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
I KNOW TOWNSHIPS THINGS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION THERE.
UM, I MEAN, I'VE, I DROVE BY AND IT'S, IT'S NOT EASILY VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD, BUT IT IS VISIBLE.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, NOT LOOKING FOR IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO STAND OUT.
THE QUESTION I HAD, IF WE'RE TALKING ONE TO THREE TRUCKS A WEEK, I KNOW WHEN I DROVE BY TODAY, THERE ARE MORE THAN THAT OUTSIDE NOW.
WELL, I STAFF PHOTO, THERE'S SOME OUTSIDE IN THE GOOGLE EARTH PHOTOS.
THERE'S THE SAME SEVERAL OUTSIDE.
I OWN HALF OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE.
SO THOSE TRUCKS WOULD JUST REMAIN THERE THEN.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDOOR STORAGE, THEN THE TRUCKS THAT ARE THERE STILL GOING TO BE THERE FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO.
I MEAN, I I'LL JUST SAY I HAVE SOME CONCERNS OF, IN WHICH I BROUGHT THIS UP ON IT ON SOME OTHER STUFF.
I MEAN, RESIDENTIALLY ADJACENT BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, USES AND, AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AROUND JUST HOW THAT DOES AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WELL WATER, THE RUNOFF AND EVERYTHING AS WELL.
BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE TESTED AND MONITORED PROBLEM IS IF IT DOES COME BACK NEGATIVE, HOW DO YOU ASSIGN BLAME? I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY THAT YOU CAUSED IT OR SOMETHING ELSE DIDN'T CAUSE IT, AT THAT POINT, UM, AND TO THE COMMENT ABOUT EFFECTING RESALE VALUE, I THINK NOT SAYING THAT THEY WOULDN'T SELL THE HOME, BUT THERE IS A CONCERN I WOULD HAVE, I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND I'M LOOKING AT THREE OTHER PROPERTIES, IT MIGHT MAKE IT TO WHERE THIS PROPERTY WAS A LESS DESIRABLE PROPERTY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES I WAS LOOKING AT HAVING AN INDUSTRIAL USE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
SO THANKS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
UM, ONE ISSUE, IF I COULD DRESS THAT WAS RAISED BY THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WITH MR. CRL IS WE WERE INACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH DON MAILLARD BEGINNING, SHORTLY AFTER THE OCTOBER BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS HEARING.
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WE WEREN'T, WE TH WE ARE NOT JUST BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE HE DECIDED, AGAIN, WE WERE IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM THROUGHOUT.WE THOUGHT OUR SURVEYOR OR SURVEYOR REPRESENTED TO US.
HE WOULD BE OUT BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.
I DID ADVISE MR. MILAN THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO.
I SAID, WE WILL GET THE HE'S PROMISED ME TO BE OUT BY THE MIDDLE OF MARCH, BUT YOU WAS.
AND WE HAD OUR APPLICATION SUBMITTED WITHIN JUST ABOUT 10 DAYS OF GETTING THAT.
SO WE WERE NOT IGNORING THE SITUATION.
AND THE DELAY TO COMING TO THIS MEETING WAS, UM, WAS ME BASICALLY PUSHING THIS OUT TO, TO THIS MEETING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YES.
I'M CINDY ROSENGARTEN, I'VE ALREADY SIGNED IN.
UM, I LIVE AT 93, 78 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UH, MY RESIDENCE IS ADJACENT TO THE ONE BEING CONSIDERED FOR, FOR THE REZONING.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE PINE TREES AT ONE END, I STILL HAVE A VISUAL TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT, AND I CAN HEAR IT UP AND DOWN THE, UM, AND THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS THAT ARE PARKED BACK BY THE BUILDING CONCERNED ME.
AND BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, THERE WOULD STILL BE A NUMBER OF TRUCKS PARKED THERE BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS.
AND, UM, EVEN IF YOU PUT UP A SCREENING, TREES ARE NOT GOING TO GROW THAT FAST TO FILL IN THAT, UH, THAT VOID WHERE, UM, UH, THE BUSINESSES BACK THERE.
UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR THIS LONG.
UH, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I CHECKED TO SEE IF IT WAS ZONED FOR A BUSINESS.
AND GRANTED IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REAL ESTATE CRUNCH.
AND, UH, THAT PERSON SELLING SAID, OH, THEY'RE JUST HIS TRUCKS.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM AT THE TIME WE BOUGHT, BUT SO I WASN'T TOO CONCERNED, BUT, UM, NOW I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND IT'S SET BACK ENOUGH FROM THE STREET.
HOW IS IT GOING TO BE MONITORED OF HOW MUCH TRUCKS ARE, IF THEY'VE BEEN REPAIRED AND YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING IN WHILE YOU'RE GONNA PARK IT OUT BY THE BARN? HOW, HOW CAN THAT ALL BE CONTAINED, UH, IN THE BUILDING THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE, UH, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE MONITORED.
UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUES OUT THERE.
IF IT'S PLANNED INDUSTRIAL, I HAVE CONCERNS THAT THAT WOULD IMPACT, UH, PRICES OF PROPERTY OUT THERE AND COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON NOT JUST MY PROPERTY, BUT OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE POLLUTION IS, I KNOW IT'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM, BUT I'M NOT PARTICULARLY CONCERNED, CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD OUR TESTED.
SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT COMPONENT OF, UM, OF THE PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE LOT SPLIT AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE REZONING TO PLANNED INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD REMAIN AGRICULTURE ZONING.
THANK YOU, MR. JEFFREY, GO AHEAD, MR. FOR YOU, WOULD, WOULD YOU SAY THE ONE TO THREE TRUCKS PER WEEK IS ACCURATE ASIDE FROM, I MEAN, THE, THE MR. CISCO IS HIS, HIS VEHICLES THAT HE TAKES OUT AND BACK AND FORTH, BUT FROM WHAT YOU SEE ROTATING, I THINK THERE ARE MORE, AND I HONESTLY WISH I WOULD'VE STARTED KEEPING A TALLY BECAUSE I'M UP EARLY AND SOMETIMES IT IS EARLY GOING IN AND OUT.
UM, SOMETIMES IT'S BEEN SATURDAYS.
UM, UM, I FEEL THAT IT IS MORE THAN THE ONE TO THREE PER WEEK AND MS. ROSA GARDEN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED NEXT DOOR? AND WE MOVED IN, IN JULY.
SO YOUR, UH, ABOUT LESS THAN A YEAR RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 10, 11 MONTHS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES, MA'AM.
I LIVE ON THE FARM BEHIND AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, WHAT PRECEDENTS DOES THIS SET FOR OTHER PEOPLE ALONG TAYLORSVILLE ROAD DOING THE SAME THING? FOR EXAMPLE, THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OURS, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE, THERE IS MANY, MANY CARS STORED IN THE BACK AND, UH, THE FRONT WAS NOT FINISHED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
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AND, UM, I JUST WONDER IF WE, IF YOU APPROVE ONE, THEN ARE THE NEXT PEOPLE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RUN A JUNK YARD? I MEAN, THEIR YARD LOOKS FAR WORSE THAN THE GUY THAT'S APPLYING FOR THE THAT'D BE CASE BY CASE, BUT IT SETS A PRECEDENT THAT IF YOU SPLIT ONE, YOU COULD SPLIT ANOTHER, BUT THE ABILITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO, YES, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, MY NAME IS ROSS GOODSPEED AND I'M ACTUALLY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
UM, EVERYTHING I'VE WANTED TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID TWO OR THREE TIMES TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AND SAY, I HAVE THE, I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE.
UM, IT'S NOTHING IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.
YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, THERE WAS PLENTY OF AREAS TO DO THIS.
WHY MOVE TO THE AIRPORT AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AIRPLANES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HEALTH, TALK ABOUT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN F I THINK IT'S A WIND SITUATION WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IF IT'S DIESEL, IF IT'S GAS EXPLOSION, MY HORSES, I HAVE HORSES AND I HAVE CHICKENS.
OF COURSE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE WELL WATER.
UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW SAYING THAT THEY'VE GONE UP THE PAST FEW YEARS IS HOW DO YOU TRACK THAT WITH THE WAY THAT THE MARKET HAS COLLAPSED AND WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD? I JUST THINK IF THIS WERE APPROVED AND I LOOKED AT THE ZONING WEBSITE AND BEING BETWEEN CHAMBERSBURG, TAYLORSVILLE, BELL FONTAN, AND NEW CARLISLE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL PLOTS.
SO I THINK, AND THIS WAS ALREADY STATED IF WE DO THIS AND WE LOSE THIS SMALL PART OF AG AND OPENS A DOOR WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.
THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL INDUSTRIAL AND OHIO AG IS AN IMPORTANT THING.
SO I'M, I GUESS I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED.
DID YOU, CAN I ASK THEM A QUESTION? UM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED NEXT DOOR? UH, TWO YEARS IN JUNE.
AND SO YOU LIVE ON ONE SIDE AND THIS LADY LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AND I GUESS, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO, AARON, I, I GUESS A QUESTION WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON OTHER CASES BEFORE, IF THIS WERE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, WE ALL PRETTY MUCH AGREE THERE'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE NEIGHBORS, CALLING THE CITY AND MAKING IT UNCOMFORTABLE ON EVERYBODY THAT LIVES NEAR EACH OTHER TO ENFORCE ANYTHING.
AND THEN OUR ENFORCEMENT IS PRETTY MINIMAL FROM A FINE STANDPOINT ANYWAY.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S SEEMS AS SIGNIFICANT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE.
S SO THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS THERE.
UM, LET ME, LET ME START WITH THE, THE LADDER.
SO YOUR RIGHTS IS A ZONING CODE, AS FAR AS THE FINES AND PENALTIES IS IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, IT, IT'S JUST THE PROCESS THAT'S LAID OUT BY, BY STATE LAW AND PRECEDENT OR COURT CASES AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED BETWEEN ZONING AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THIS WOULD BE HIGH ON EVERYBODY'S LIST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT COMES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH WHATEVER CONDITIONS THAT, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL WOULD, UM, MAY IMPOSE UPON THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER A FEW YEARS OF, OF OPERATION AND, AND, UH, ASSUMING, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OPERATING IN A, IN, IN THE PRESCRIBED MANNER, IT LIKELY GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE WAY MOST, UM, ZONING ENFORCEMENT IS DONE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF IT'S PROACTIVE, SOME OF IT'S COMPLAINT BASED.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF THE YEAR.
UH, I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, WE HAVE A, ANOTHER SIMILAR CASE, NOT AS LONG RUNNING, BUT DOWN THE OTHER END OF TAYLORSVILLE, WHERE BUSINESS CAME IN AND
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IT WASN'T ZONED PROPERLY FOR IT.AND THEY ENDED UP GOING THROUGH ALL THE ZONING CHANGES.
AND I ACTUALLY KNOW ONE OF THE EFFECTED NEIGHBORS, AND NOW ON A NORMAL DAY, THEY CAN'T HAVE THEIR BACK WINDOWS OPEN BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DUST BEING KICKED UP FROM THE BUSINESS.
SO I DO THINK THERE IS, AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT A HIGHLY DUST BUSINESS.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THERE, BUT I DO THINK CHANGING IN THE TWO INDUSTRIAL IN A NON-INDUSTRIAL AREA DOES OPEN THE DOOR FOR SOME ISSUES.
I WOULD AGREE IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO HEAD DOWN THIS PATH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE, THE USE PRESCRIBED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BE EXTREMELY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED AND NOT OPEN IT UP TO ALL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT IF AT SOME FUTURE POINT, THE APPLICANT SELLS THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IS ONLY TO BE USED FOR A VERY NARROWLY TAILORED TYPE OF USE.
AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY CAN COME BACK IN.
I GUESS, ONE, THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR, FOR COUNCIL, BUT HER LEGAL, BUT WHEN, WHEN THE APPLICANT SAYS, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE PROPERLY ZONED FOR IT, IF WE CHANGE IT AND SAY, WELL, IF WE DON'T CHECK, IF WE DON'T AGREE TO THE CHANGE AND YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR THIS LONG, DO WE HAVE ANY EXPOSURE AS FAR AS THE CITY GOES THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT SINCE THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING ALREADY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN ILLEGALLY? UH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD FOLLOW THE WHAT'S PRESCRIBED IN THE ZONING CODE, AS FAR AS THAT DECISION MAKING.
AND IF THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY, DEPENDING ON WHAT, BECAUSE REMEMBER THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AND SO IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WAY THIS GOES.
I'M JUST HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG AND JUST WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS UNTIL LAST YEAR OR YEAR BEFORE 21.
UH, AND, AND THAT REALLY MAKES ME, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH IT BECAUSE THIS IS A PERSON THAT HAS, THIS IS HIS LIVELIHOOD.
HE THOUGHT HE WAS OKAY BECAUSE FOR 10 YEARS HE HAS BEEN OKAY.
AND NOW, BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE COMPLAINT, IT SEEMS THAT NOW ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON, AND YET NOBODY COMPLAINED SINCE 21.
UH, AND, AND THAT REALLY, UH, IT'S, THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE IT FOR ME, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE MAN OUT OF BUSINESS WHO HAS BEEN BACK THERE AND NOBODY'S COMPLAINED FOR 10 YEARS.
AND NOW SUDDENLY WE HAVE TWO COMPLAINTS AND YET THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN FIX IT IS TO AFFECT ALL THE PROPERTIES ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS CAN WE JUST DO THIS ONE? NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WELL, SO YOU, I MEAN, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU IS JUST THIS ONE.
UM, AND IN 2, 3, 5 YEARS, IF THERE'S A SECOND, THEN YOU TAKE THAT CASE AS IT COMES AT EACH CASE IS JUDGED ON ITS OWN MERIT.
I REALIZED THAT I DO THINK THAT THERE WILL BE LESS JUST KNOWING THERE ARE NO UTILITY EXPANSIONS PROPOSED FOR TAYLORSVILLE.
THERE ARE UTILITY PER, UH, EXTENSIONS PROPOSED FOR CHAMBERSBURG.
SO DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES WILL BE ONCE A WATER AND SEWER IS EXPANDED DOWN THERE.
THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES TO THE SOUTH WILL BE GREATER THAN A LONG TAYLORSVILLE.
I MEAN, I THINK IF THIS COMES TO AN APPROVAL OR AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONS, IT HAS TO BE VERY, HE SAID IT HAS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, VERY ITEMIZED AND VERY INTENTIONAL.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE EITHER TABLE TONIGHT TO COME UP WITH A VERY SPECIFIC ITEMIZED, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONAL PLAN FOR THIS, OR, I MEAN, I HAD MY CONCERNS AND I VOICE MY CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I I'M THE SAME WAY WITH JAN.
HE'S LIVED THERE 10 YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ONE PROMPTED COMPLAINT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT REALLY PROMPTED THAT INITIAL COMPLAINT.
UM, WAS IT A NEW NEIGHBOR MOVING IN? AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE SEEING THIS AND THEY WERE TOLD OTHERWISE THAT'S KIND OF IRRELEVANT.
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UM, SO I THINK, I THINK TO HELP, TO CONTROL ANYBODY ELSE, JUST COMING IN, IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL, VERY DETAILED, UM, AND ITEMIZED HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE.LIKE, UM, AARON SUGGESTED MR. JEFFRIES.
I MEAN, I I'D SAY, WELL, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THE BACKGROUND, BUT TO SAY THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY THERE'S ONLY THE ONE INITIAL COMPLAINT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALL HAD NEIGHBORS THAT WE MAY HAVE THOUGHT, HEY, I WISH THEY WOULD QUIT DOING THIS.
OR THEY, MAYBE THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS PROPERLY ZONED THAT WAY AS WELL.
AND NOBODY BOTHERED TO SAY THAT IT'S JUST ONE COMPLAINT.
I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT DISMISSES THE VALIDITY OF IT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S STILL THEIR HOME AND STILL RIO.
AND I AGREE IT'S THIS GUY'S LIVELIHOOD AS WELL.
SO IT IS A TOUGH ITEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM CONCERNED IF WE START SETTING PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT AG PRO AG TO INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF IT WAS ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE INDUSTRIAL PIECES INSTEAD OF ADJACENT TO CORRECT AG RESIDENTIAL POLICES.
BUT IN THIS CASE THOUGH, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
I WOULD SAY SPECIFIC TO THE BUSINESS USE TO THE HOURS AND THEN TO THE APPROACH AMPER, AND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
I MEAN, THE STUFF THAT WE'VE MENTIONED I THINK IS IN THERE, ISN'T IT? I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH AUTOMIZED WHAT WERE THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THEM, THE, THE BUFFERING, THE, UH, THE HOURS, UH, AND NUMBER OF ANOTHER ITEMS. AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT TABLING IT AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE, UH, NECESSARY OR IF WE JUST WANT TO GO WITH WHAT STAFF HAS MENTIONED, OR I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST HAVING A TOUGH TIME WITH THIS SWOLLEN.
SO IF I COULD INTERJECT, UM, WHAT WAS NOT OUTLINED IN THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS ANY KIND OF, UM, SCREENING, UH, PLAN.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF, IF THE COMMISSION, UH, IS INCLINED TO MOVE FORWARD, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, IT COULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT COMES BACK FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT OUTLINES THE, THE EXACT TYPE AND LOCATION AND HEIGHT OF THAT PROPOSED SCREENING, UM, ALL ALONG THE WEST EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT.
IF IT WERE TO, UM, AFFIRMATIVELY MOVE THROUGH COUNCIL, MR. JEFFERS, DO WE KNOW, IS THERE A ROOM, I MEAN, TO SOMEBODY HAD BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN ABOUT TIME, IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE SCREENING TO GROW IN.
DO WE HAVE ROOM OR WITH, IN THERE FOR ANY KIND OF RAISED BERMING TO PUT IT, TO BUILD UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PUT SCREENING ON TOP? OR ARE WE PRETTY NARROW THROUGH THERE? PROBABLY YOU'RE PRETTY NARROW THROUGH THERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT I USE THE MOST YOU'D GET IS THREE FEET AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HILL.
THAT'S A LONG, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES HERE IN HUBER, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN AROUND OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR OUR BUSINESSES, BUT YET WE DON'T ALLOW IT.
SO IF HE IS STORING HIS OWN VEHICLES, DOES THAT COMPLY SINCE HE'S LABELED A BUSINESS, DOES THE VEHICLES HE OWNS THE TRAILER OR TRACTORS THAT HE OWNS, IS THAT CONSIDERED OUTDOOR STORAGE OR IS IT JUST CONSIDERED A VEHICLE THAT HE OWNS? SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE OPERATIONAL, THEY WOULD JUST BE VEHICLES THAT, THAT THE BUSINESS OWNS THAT CAN BE STORED IN A PARKING AREA.
IF THEY'RE INOPERABLE, THEY'RE JUNK AND THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED ON SITE.
Y FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH JUST WHAT'S OUTLINED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, AS FAR AS SECTIONS 11 71 0 6, 8 K AND L.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
IF EVERYONE ELSE WANTS TO, TO, TO MOVE ON WITH, UH, HAVING THEM COME BACK OR WHATEVER ELSE, I'M OPEN TO HEAR ALL THAT.
AND I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST DOING IT TO GET IT OFF OUR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S MY ONLY ASK IS MAKE SURE WE'RE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ALRIGHT.
UM, BUT I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UM, WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND I, I WOULD, IF WE WERE, WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD
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RATHER HAVE THAT ALL BEING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, STATED, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING BE PLANNED, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROBABLY ALONG THAT LINE, UH, TO, SO THAT WE WILL BE ASSURED THAT THESE TYPES OF THINGS, AND IT'S NOT JUST ON THE ONE SIDE, YOU'VE GOT NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO IT REALLY SHOULD BE, UH INCOME-BASED AND COMPENSATED HIS WHOLE AREA THERE.UM, BUT THE OTHER FACTOR I HAVE IS STILL THE IDEA THAT IF I SPLITTING UP THE LOT, YOU'VE GOT THE HOUSES ONE AND YOU'VE GOT THIS OTHER PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO STILL REQUIRE SOME SORT OF A COMBINED, UH, OWNERSHIP IF SOLD, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN'T DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M OUT OF MY WHEELHOUSE, MR. JEFFERY ONE, ONE FINAL CON ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, TO BE SPLIT PLANNED INDUSTRIAL WITH THAT USE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OR VOLUME THAT'S ALLOWED THROUGH THERE, THE BUSINESS, IF THE BUSINESS CAN GROW AND GROW AND GROW, I JUST CONTINUES TO ADD TO IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SPLITTING INTO AN INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT.
CAUSE THE GOAL FOR BUSINESSES TOO, WE WANT THEM TO ALL BE SUCCESSFUL AND GROW, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND NOISE SHOULD INCREASE IF THE BUSINESSES MORE SUCCESSFUL.
SO I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS AARON'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO COMMENT ON THAT? SORRY, THERE IS A CAVEAT OF ONLY TWO VEHICLES POSSIBLE IN THAT BUILDING AT THE TIME.
WELL, JUST ONE COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE, AND THAT IS ABOUT THE, UH, WHEN I ASK ABOUT EPA AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE POLLUTION OF THE WELLS, I HAVE FULL 100% CONFIDENCE IN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND I KNOW THAT IF THEY GO OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO INSPECT FOR WHAT THEY NEED TO INSPECT.
SO THAT ISSUE FOR ME IS OFF THE TABLE.
THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF NEIGHBORS.
DON'T HAVE A CONCERN, WHETHER THEY'VE HAD THEIR WELL CHECKED AND THAT'S FINE.
AND SO LONG AS THAT'S A PART OF THE INSPECTION, THEN, UH, THAT TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, A NON-ISSUE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, THE CONCERN IS LIKE YOU SAID, GROW BUSINESS WHILE IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND BEHIND THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE ENDED UP WITH A GREAT, BIG, HUGE BUILDING BACK THERE OR SOMETHING.
AND, AND, UM, ONLY IF WE ALLOW IT, THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT COUNCIL, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT MICHAEL SCALE USE FOR APPROVAL OF A REPLAT AND REZONE OF 3.5, FIVE ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLAY AND INDUSTRIAL AT 94 16 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD PARCEL NUMBER PIECE, EXCUSE ME.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UH, ON, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONTO THE CONDITIONS, UM, RECALL THE MOTION TO WIDEN THE APRON AND, UH, THAT HE HAD AGREED TO DO.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING.
UH, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY DO MR. JEFFERS RECALLS.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE, WE NEED TO ADD TO THE, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS TO THAT THAT HE'S AGREED TO WIDEN THE APRON.
DO WE HAVE AGREED TO THE SCREENING? I DON'T THINK SO THAT HE HAS AGREED TO DO A SCREENING, UH, TO THE NEIGHBOR, TO THE SOUTH, I GUESS IT IS
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TOTALLY, WE DO AT SCREENING SUBJECT TO A DETAILED PLAN OF ITS OWN.AND WE ALREADY HAVE, DO WE HAVE IN HERE THAT THEY WILL DEDICATE SOME OF THEIR, NO, IT'S NOT IN THERE A PART OF THE LAND FOR THE WIDENING OF TAYLORSVILLE LIGHT ROAD, THE PLATTE ALREADY REFLECTS THAT.
SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN, OKAY, SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
JUST THOSE, THOSE, UH, THE SCREENING AND THE WIDENING.
UH, SHOULD I BE SEVEN AND EIGHT? SORRY, AARON, YOU'VE ADDED THOSE TO THE DECISION RECORD.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ADDED IN WHERE THEY SAID THEY'RE DOING BLACKTOP NEXT MONTH.
DO WE NEED TO BOTHER ADDING THAT IN HARDSCAPE, THE ASPHALT DRIVE? I THINK THEY SAID IT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED FROM HOW IT SOUNDED.
THE MINIMUM, UM, REQUIRED WOULD BE 35 FEET.
AND I THINK THAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST WE'RE SAYING IT WAS WIDER THAN THAT.
AS FAR AS THE ASPHALT GOING DOWN INSTEAD OF GRAVEL, I THINK THEY SAID THAT WAS ALREADY COMING OUT NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE IT, UM, IT IS WIDER THAN WHAT HAS MINIMUM AND THEN IT'S PRESCRIBED BY THE CODE AS IS.
SO AS LONG AS THAT OCCURS, THAT'S FINE.
ONCE AGAIN, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT? MY GOAL ALWAYS FOR APPROVAL OF A REPLAT AND REZONE OF 3.55 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL AGRICULTURE TO PLAY AN INDUSTRIAL AT SIX OR 94 16 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, PARCEL NUMBER P 70 0 3 9 0 2 0 0 1 8 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITORS MATTER CASE R Z 22 DASH 17 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MAY 24TH, UH, 2022, AND THE PLANNING AND THE, UM, REVISE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD MOVED BY MS. THOMAS SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. HAWK? NO AS FARGO MR. JEFFRIES.
MS. THOMAS, NO, MR. WALTON, NO, MO MOTION IS DENIED FOUR TO ONE.
UM, MY REASONING IS STATED IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS OUTLINED THROUGH THE STAFF'S ANALYSIS.
UH, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS OF SECTION 1171 DASH ZERO SIX, AK AND 11.
DO YOU WANT ME TO OUT THE NEXT STEPS? JUST SO WHAT'S NEXT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS AWARE, UM, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR PROBABLY JUNE, JUNE 26 OR SO PROBABLY JUNE 27 OR EARLY JULY.
I'LL LET YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DATES DOES.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS AND FORMER WHERE YOU VIEW FOR MARIANNE MEADOWS, RESIDENTIAL.
I JUST HAD THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
SO THEREFORE I THOUGHT WE DID, UH, AS A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT SKILLED AND GOLD REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSAL FOR A PROPOSED, FOR A PROPOSED FOR CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION AND CARWASH PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND J C 22 DASH 21.
SO WE ARE ASKING THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TABLE THAT REQUEST UNTIL, UH, THE JUNE 14TH MEETING.
UM, THE, YOU, UH, YOU HEARD THEM AT THE, UH, AS AN INFORMAL PRESENTATION AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, UH, CHANGES, UH, SUBMITTED ON TIME.
SO WE ADVERTISE TO THE, UM, WE ADVERTISE THE CASE BECAUSE
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WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE REASON THAT THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA.UH, THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR APPLICATION IN.
THEY'RE STILL MAKING SOME CHANGES.
SO, UM, WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU TO TABLE THAT, TO THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE.
I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO TABLE, MR. JEFFREY'S MOTION TO TABLE MR. JEFFRIES, UH, SINCE THE MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND, MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
UM, THE MOTION TO TABLE TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ON JUNE 14TH, 2022.
NEXT IS THE ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, THE INFORMAL REVIEW MARION BETOS RESIDENTIAL.
SO I'M THE DEVELOPERS OF, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF, UH, MARION MEADOWS, UH, HAVE ASKED TO COME IN TO DO AN INFORMAL REVIEW OF TWO, UH, TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY MOVING FORWARD, ONE SENIOR AND ONE, UM, MARKET RATE.
THIS IS THE SITE ON THE SITE THAT THE CITY HAS OWNED FOR A BIT.
UM, IT IS PART OF WHERE THE, UH, PUBLIC LIBRARY IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, WHERE THE CITY WILL BE IMPROVING SOME OF THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY IS KIND OF THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, OF THIS LARGE AREA, UH, AND HOW KIND OF THE PIECES INTERTWINED TO BEGIN TO IMPLEMENT THE BRANDT PIKE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO TURN IT OVER TO THE HOMESTEAD TEAM.
AND THANKS FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE AND FOR HAVING THIS INFORMAL SESSION, IT'S EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND NOT EVERY COMMUNITY HAS IT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, WE'VE MET BEFORE I'M MATT CANTERBURY, PRESIDENT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT, UM, AS AARON HAS LAID OUT, UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I FEEL IS PROBABLY BEST TO UNDERSTAND AT A WIDER SCALE BEFORE WE DELVE DOWN INTO JUST THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF WHICH WE WOULD BE THE MASTER DEVELOPERS OF THE MASTER OF THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES OF THIS.
AND I SAY PIECES IN TERMS OF TWO DEVELOPMENTS, I'LL BE TALKING TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT, SO, UM, IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, AS WELL AS ON THE SCREEN, UM, IF I GET MOVING TOO QUICK, FEEL FREE TO WAVE OR THROW SOMETHING BLUNT AT ME THAT HAPPENS AT HOME WITH MY CHILDREN, I'M USED TO IT.
SO, UM, THIS BEING SAID NOT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, UNDERSTANDING THIS ON A MORE OF A GLOBAL SCALE, UM, AND ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, OF COURSE, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR.
UM, BUT TO THE LEFT, REALLY THE UNDERSTANDING OF BRANT PIKE AND WHAT THAT HAS MEANT TO THIS COMMUNITY FOR SOME TIME AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 30 YEARS ALONG THIS MAIN DISTRICT THROUGH THE CITY.
IT WAS SO IMPORTANT SUCH THAT, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE AND EXTREME, UM, IN 2017, THE CITY ACTUALLY COMMISSIONED ALONG WITH THE COUNTY, UM, THE BRAND PIKE CHARTER REVITALIZATION PLAN.
NOW THAT PLAN HAD BEEN NOT ONLY, UM, DERIVED CREATED, HEARD, AND COLLABORATED ON WITH PUBLIC AS WELL AS WITH THAT OF THE COUNTY AND MEMBERS AND PLENTY OF MEMBERS OF FOLKS THAT SIT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL TODAY.
SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE BASELINE AS TO HOW THAT WAS CREATED, UM, IT WAS COMMISSIONED, AS I SAID BY THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE FUTURE AND PAST IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED, NOT ONLY IN THE COMMUNITY ALONG GRANT PIKE, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE BUSINESSES ON IT AND OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY REMAIN AND PUSH FORWARD.
SO, UM, WHAT I HAVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE THIS, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE THE PRINT IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, IS IN FACT DIRECTLY FROM THAT STUDY.
AND THIS IS A SWAT ANALYSIS FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT IT'S STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES, AND THREATS.
THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE STUDY, UM, TO POINT OUT SOME, SOME THINGS IN PARTICULAR AND, AND KIND OF GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, BUT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS PART OF THIS STUDY, TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY IS THE COMMUNITY PIECE.
UM, THOSE ARE ASPECTS THAT ARE REAL, ARE THERE, UM, IT POINTS OUT THE STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES.
I WON'T READ ALL OF THESE TO YOU, BUT THE THREATS REALLY, I WANT TO FOCUS MORE ON THE OPPORTUNITY PIECES THAT THE STUDY FIT HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW, NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, AND
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IT SHOULD ACCOMMODATE THE AGING POPULATION.SO IT POINTS OUT OF THE POPULATION.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANCE THAT IS AGING THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENCES, ALONG THE BRAND PIKE CORRIDOR.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YEAR THESE STATISTICS ARE FROM, UH, THIS STUDY WAS DONE IN 2017, SO THEY ARE CURRENT TO THAT STUDY.
THE DENSEST PART OF THE COMMUNITY IS THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT.
WE KNOW THIS, AND THEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THE INCREASE OF POPULATION WITH REVITALIZING HOUSING MARKET.
SO THOSE ARE ALL OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE COME FROM THIS FURTHER DOWN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THROUGHOUT THIS TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT, ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, NOT ONLY THERE BEING THE UTILIZATION OF BETTER STORMWATER PRINCIPLES, BUT ALSO THAT OF THE INCLUSION OF GREENWAYS AND GREENWAYS, BOTH IN PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS ON BRAND PIKE, AS WELL AS OFF OF IT IN THE FUTURE OF, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS WE GET DOWN TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'M MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IS THE, THE WEAKNESSES OPPORTUNITIES AND THREATS ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO WHAT THIS STUDY KIND OF LAID OUT TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE WEAKNESSES TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THERE TODAY AND WHAT'S HAPPENED.
AND THAT IS A LOT OF VERY LOW DENSITY AND THEY ACTUALLY REFER TO IT SPECIFICALLY AS LOW DENSITY AUTO ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SEPARATION BETWEEN COMPATIBLE USES AND SINGLE USE BUILDINGS WITH LIMITED ABILITIES TO ACCOMMODATE ALTERNATE USES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A DISCONNECTION.
NOW, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE NECESSARILY POORLY.
THIS IS JUST A REALITY OF THAT ERA.
SO YOU CAN GO TO MANY, MANY TOWN.
I WON'T SAY ANY TOWN, BUT MANY TOWN USA, AND YOU WILL FIND WHAT HAS HAPPENED ALONG BRAND PIKE.
YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A ONCE THRIVING COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT IS SUBJECT TO THAT OF A SMALL, ALMOST MANY MALL OUTLET, LARGE, LARGE MARKET OR LARGE, UM, UM, TARGET STORE MINDSET THAT HAS, HAS THEN PUSHED OFF TO DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE PRACTICES ALONG THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
THOSE HAVE HAPPENED FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, NEW GROWTH WITHIN CITIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED AS WELL AS CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF CITIES.
UM, WE KNOW JUST FROM KNOWLEDGE FACT, AND IT POINTS OUT WITHIN THIS REPORT, EVEN THAT OFTENTIMES TO KEEP A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, THRIVING THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR NEEDS TO BE FED BY, BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, UM, A NON SATURATION OF MORE COMMERCIAL AND SORT OF A NEWNESS.
SO TO SAY OF WHAT CAN BE THERE.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND NEXT SHEET, REALLY THE SUMMARY IS THE, AS THE STATEMENT POINTS OUT TO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, UH, DECREASED, BUT STABLE POPULATION IS A SUMMARY OF THE CHALLENGES.
THERE'S LOW DENSITY, AUTO FOCUS, HIGH RETAIL VACANCIES, UM, OVER SUPPLY OF SUBSTANDARD RETAIL, LOW DAYTIME POPULATIONS, LOW INCOME AND CONSUMER EXPENDITURES AND LACK OF MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL OPTIONS SET A DIFFERENT WAY.
AS IT SAYS, HERE, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH WHICH SPENDABLE INCOME TO PROVIDE ELEVATED MARKET OPTIONS FOR FEWER RETAIL BUILDINGS.
SO WHAT WAS THE RESPONSE, UH, FAR BEFORE HOMESTEAD, UH, WAS INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT? THE RESPONSE WAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED, UM, THROUGH COUNCIL, UH, LED BY THE CURRENT MAYOR, UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SORRY, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PIECE OF LAND COMPREHENSIVELY, AND THIS PIECE OF LAND IS MOST SPECIFICALLY DOWN AT THE CORNER OF, UM, FITCHBURG AND BRANT PIKE, THAT IS THE ACTUAL FOCUS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS PIECE OF LAND WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, WITH THE INTENT OF BEING ABLE TO DRIVE CATALYTIC REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CORRIDOR.
THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THIS DILAPIDATED PIECE OF LAND.
THEY MADE THAT PURCHASE WITH THE INTENT TO TAKE THIS STUDY AND BE A CATALYST FOR THE GROWTH OF THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SO EXCITED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE CATALYTIC GROWTH THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT CAN BRING TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY.
SO THE NEXT SHEET YOU'LL SEE, UM, A MASTER PLAN.
THIS MASTER PLAN HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ALREADY, UM, WHERE WE STAND TODAY WITH THIS SITE WHERE WE, THE COLLECTIVE WE STAND TODAY IS THAT THE CITY HAS NOT ONLY PURCHASED THIS, BUT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OF THE LIBRARY THAT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION ALREADY IS THIS PLAN COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION ITSELF AND IS MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE, UH, DEMOLITION OF WHAT WAS THE CURRENT STRIP MALL IS NOW AS HAS ALREADY HEARD.
UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION IS OCCURRING CURRENTLY TODAY, AS YOU GO PAST THE SITE, UM, REPOSITIONING OF CERTAIN RETAILERS, SUCH AS THE DOGTOWN IS GETTING REPOSITIONED INTO A NEW BUILDING.
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SEEN AS WELL AS, UM, IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN IT YET, I BELIEVE YOU WILL SEE SHORTLY THE, UM, POTENTIAL DESIGN IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT IS THE STRIP RETAIL THAT IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF BRANT PIKE AND FED FISHBURG.SO WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE CAN BE HERE? SO WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THIS PLAN AND THEN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THAT OF HOMESTEAD HAS BEEN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY IS THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS SITE PLAN THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY ON THE SCREEN.
AND ON THIS SHEET, THE INTENT IS BY INVESTING IN THAT OF PUBLIC USES, WHERE ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A SENIOR CENTER, A YET TO BE IDENTIFIED PUBLIC USE AND THAT OF THE LIBRARY, UM, COLLECTING AND, AND BASICALLY UTILIZING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO BEST LAND PRACTICES, TO HAVE A STORMWATER POND IN DETENTION THAT COULD THEN BRANCH OUT AND COLLECT FROM ALL SORTS OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PARCELS, A NEW ROADWAY WITH UPGRADED INTERNAL ROADWAY THAT IS WITH UPGRADED INFRASTRUCTURE FROM UTILITY STANDPOINT, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW MEDICAL MARKET RATE, NON LYTEC MARKET RATE, APARTMENT LIVING AS WELL AS A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY IN THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY, HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT.
MY COMPANY, WHAT WE ARE DOING AS A PART OF THIS AS IS CONTEMPLATED IN THAT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WE WILL BE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT OUR OWN DEVELOPMENTS AS A COMPONENT OF THIS, BUT ASSISTING THE CITY WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE WOULD BE BUILDING THE ROAD AND RESTRUCTURING THE UTILITIES AND WHAT I CALL THE LOOP ROAD, WHICH YOU SAW IN THE PLAN THAT ACTUALLY CONNECTS ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT USES IN THE BACK.
WE ADDITIONALLY WOULD BE BUILDING THE, UM, RETENTION POND.
WE WOULD BE PURCHASING ALL OF THE LAND THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING ON FROM THE CITY, AND THEN WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING IT INTO THESE TWO MAIN USES.
UM, THE FIRST OF WHICH ON THE NEXT SHEET IS A PRODUCT CALLED HOMESTEAD.
SENIOR LIVING HOMESTEAD, SENIOR LIVING IS SOMETHING THAT IS A PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR, UH, FOUR YEARS NOW AT HOMESTEAD, OUR PARTNERS AND THE OWNER OF OUR COMPANY HAVE ACTUALLY MANAGED OTHER, UM, SENIOR LIVING.
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT BROUGHT US TO HUBER HEIGHTS TO BEGIN WITH, TO DISCUSS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS, UM, AS WELL AS THE MAYOR TO SAY WHERE IN FACT, COULD WE LOCATE THIS BECAUSE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE ATTRACTED US TO BRING SENIOR HOUSING SPECIFICALLY TO HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO WHAT IS IT ABOUT OUR PRODUCT THAT I THINK FITS IN WONDERFULLY HERE? SO WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN SOME OTHER SENIOR LIVING.
NOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE NOT ACUTE.
SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IT'S NOT MEMORY CARE, IT'S NOT AAL.
AND WE ARE VERY MUCH AN ONLY INDEPENDENT LIVING.
OKAY? SO OUR RESIDENT, THIS IS A 55 OVER PRODUCT, BUT OUR RESIDENT IS TYPICALLY OVER 65 YEARS OLD.
OUR RESIDENTS ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
OUR RESIDENTS ARE STILL MOBILE, THEY'RE STILL ACTIVE.
AND, UM, THEY ARE IN THIS PRODUCT FOR A COUPLE OF VERY SPECIFIC REASONS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, AS PART OF OUR DESIGN, IT IS 135 UNITS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT IS THREE STORIES.
UM, AND WE HAVE A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT AMENITY VILLAGE THAT AMENITY VILLAGE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN A COUPLE OF IMAGES IN FRONT OF YOU IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED AS A SMALL OUTDOOR TOWN, SUCH AS A VILLAGE WITH DIFFERENT MULTIPLE STOREFRONTS.
THOSE STOREFRONTS ARE THAT OF, UM, OF A, A COFFEE SHOP OF A MARKET OF A FITNESS CENTER OF A, UM, A HAIR SALON OF A DOG WASH OF A LIBRARY.
SO ALL OF THESE PIECES AND PARTS ALLOW OUR RESIDENTS TO REALLY COME DOWN AND CREATE COMMUNITY.
A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE, UM, WIDOWED THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN.
UM, THERE ARE SOME COUPLES THAT ARE THERE FOR SURE, BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE TOWN BY WHICH THEY'VE LAID THEIR ROOTS.
SO THEY WANT TO STAY IN THEIR TOWN.
TYPICALLY THEY'RE NO MORE THAN EIGHT MILES AWAY FROM THE HOUSES THEY OWNED.
AND WHAT DOES THAT DO OTHERWISE IS THEY'RE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
THEY MOVE INTO AN ATTAINABLE AND AFFORDABLE PLACE, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE IT IS AGAIN NON LYTEC.
AND THEIR HOMES ARE ABLE TO THEN BE UTILIZED BY OTHER COUPLES COMING INTO THE AREA.
NOW WHY TO FOLKS MOVE TO A PLACE LIKE HOMESTEAD, SENIOR LIVING HOMESTEAD, SENIOR LIVING HAS RENTS THAT END UP RIGHT AROUND 80% OF AMI AMI, AS YOU KNOW, ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME.
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THE OPTIONS OTHERWISE TEND TO BE, STAY IN YOUR HOME OR GO INTO IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE AN ACUTE NEED, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AOL AND MEMORY CARE.AND THEN THERE ARE SOME LUXURY SENIORS THAT ARE GOING TO END UP COSTING THE FAMILY OR THE SENIOR THEMSELVES SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN 20 $505,000 A MONTH.
OUR RENTS, OUR RENT STRUCTURES TEND TO BE RIGHT AROUND 1100 TO 1300 A MONTH.
WHAT THAT IS IS IT'S ATTAINABLE LIVING.
IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND GET A BANK LOAN AS A STANDARD PRODUCT, NON LYTEC.
SO THIS ALLOWS FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE AN INCOME, WHICH THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OUR SENIOR POPULATION IS ACTUALLY RETIRING BASED UPON TWO MAIN FACTORS OF INCOME AT AGE.
ONE OF WHICH IS THE SALE OF THEIR HOME AND THE OTHER IS SOCIAL SECURITY.
SO, UM, WE BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY.
MAYBE YOU CAN HEAR IT, THAT THIS IS A GREAT PRODUCT.
AND I THINK IT'D BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, INCIDENTALLY FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STUDENT STANDPOINT, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT THESE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, BRICK, FIBER CEMENT, UM, UM, FIBER CEMENT, SHAKES, SIDING, UM, DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES.
AND, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDING.
THE SECOND PIECE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE SECOND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THAT OF A, A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING 192 UNITS AND, UM, 60% OF THOSE WOULD BE TWO BEDROOM AND 40% WOULD BE ONE BEDROOM.
UM, THIS IS A THREE-STORY WALK-UP MODEL.
IT IS PARKED AT MORE THAN ONE PER BED, WHICH I BELIEVE, UM, I NEED TO DO MY HOMEWORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEETS, I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY EXCEED THE CURRENT ZONING CODE.
UM, I'LL KNOW, BEFORE WE COME BACK ON JUNE 14TH, DEFINITIVELY, UM, ALL OF THAT SAID, UM, THIS PRODUCT ALSO BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, HAS NOT HAD ANY NEW, UM, MULTI-FAMILY PRODUCT SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
THE NEWEST PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY LOCATED SOUTH, JUST OUTSIDE OF HUBER HEIGHTS, BOUNDARIES, INCIDENTALLY, RIGHT OFF, RIGHT ON BRAND PIPE.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE NEW PRODUCT IS BEING LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY CONFINES.
AND THEN THEY'RE COMING INTO THE CITY TO UTILIZE THE BENEFITS OF WHAT BRAND PINT GETS.
SO THIS IS CLEARLY A RESPONSE TO THAT, OF THE MASTER PLAN AND TRYING TO GET MORE RESIDENTIAL, TO BE ABLE TO FEED THE ABILITY TO SERVE AND ATTRACT BETTER RETAIL THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS PRODUCT AS I'LL CLICK THROUGH SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE WE'RE LOOKING.
UH, THE REAL QUICK, THE PRODUCT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OFF BRAND PIKE IS THAT YOU GUYS OVER THERE, IT IS NOT OKAY.
LET ME THROW IT OFF MY MIND REAL QUICK.
UM, SO ATTRACTIVE ARCHITECTURE, THREE THROW, WALK UP.
IT IS GOING TO BE PRICED AT A WORKFORCE LEVEL.
SO BY WORKFORCE, AGAIN, I GO BACK IN OUR WORLD.
IT'S IT'S AMI, IT'LL BE BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT AMI.
SO WHEREAS A LOT OF THE PRODUCT THAT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, WHERE SOME OF OUR PRODUCT IS OFF OF, UH, UH, BEHIND BROADREACH THAT WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE FOR THAT IS GOING TO BE PRICED AT MUCH MORE OF A MARKET RATE PRICE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE AROUND THE 80 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT AMI TO BE ABLE TO, TO SERVE THE WORKFORCE, UH, NATURE OF A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE SOUTH SIDE.
TELL ME WHAT'S AMI AGAIN, AVERAGE, AVERAGE MEETING INCOME.
SO W WHY THAT'S A STANDARD AND REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED TO A LOT IS IT TAKES THE MEDIAN INCOME AND IT'S BASED UPON METROPOLITAN SERVICE AREA.
AND FROM THERE, THAT IS REALLY EVEN WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT STATES, WHAT IS LOW-INCOME AFFORDABLE, SO AND SO FORTH.
SO A LOT OF THE LIGHT TECH PRODUCT AND HUD PRODUCTS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ARE 30% AMI TO GIVE YOU A BASELINE.
UM, TYPICAL MARKET RATE IS THAT ABOVE THAT.
AND THEN WORKFORCE IS GOING TO RANGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT AMI, WHERE THAT SITS TODAY.
UH, DOUG, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT YOU IN THIS AREA.
UM, WHAT IS AMI RATE RIGHT NOW? UM, YOU'LL HIT ME IN A SECOND, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S FLOATING AROUND THAT THE 50,000, $50,000 ANNUAL GUARANTEE.
YEAH, I THINK SO AREA MEDIAN INCOME AROUND HERE, I THINK IS FOR A FOUR PERSON.
CAUSE IT'S BY, UM, HOUSEHOLD SIZE, IT'S ABOUT 35,000.
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WAS, THAT WAS THE NUMBER I DIDN'T WANT TO BE WRONG.SO WITH REGARD TO INCOME LIMITS FOR TWO PEOPLE AT 80%, IT'S AROUND $48,480.
THAT IS THAT TWO COMBINED TOTAL.
THAT'S A TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLD.
THIS WAS 20, 21 TO A SINGLE AS WELL.
SINGLE PERSON AT 80% IS 42,400.
SO THIS WOULD BE WORKFORCE HOUSING OR WORKFORCE PRICING PRICING, BECAUSE I GUESS MY, WHEN WE HEAR WORKFORCE TO ME THAT HAS A CERTAIN IMPLICATION, WHICH GOES AGAINST THE, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE WITH MORE SPENDABLE INCOME STATEMENT.
SO WE RAN FIGURES AT THAT AMA, SORRY.
AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL.
SO A ONE BEDROOM RENT LINEN IN 2021 AT 80% IS $1,212 A MONTH.
AND THEN TWO BEDROOM AT 80% IS 1362 A MONTH.
AND THAT HAS ONLY A TARGET, WHICH IS STILL A MARKET RATE PRODUCT.
SHOULD THE MARKET DEEM THAT WE CAN GET MORE.
SO PRODUCT PRICE, THIS IS MARKET RATE PRICE.
SOME OF THE 1980 ONES ARE CHARGING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH RIGHT UP THE ROAD ALREADY.
IN FACT, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY, THERE ARE TWO BEDROOMS THAT I WAS SPEAKING JUST TO THE SOUTH THERE.
TWO BEDROOMS ARE AROUND A THOUSAND, THEY'RE ONE BEDROOMS AROUND 800, JUST TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF COMPARISON.
SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT, WHEREAS THAT'S THE TARGET, THAT'S REALLY AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS, SPEAK TO US.
NOW, THE MARKET RATE CAN RAISE WITH THE MARKET.
AND I THINK AS SOON AS IF THIS IS THE CATALYST THAT BOTH WE AND THE CITY BELIEVED THESE JOINT DEVELOPMENTS WILL BE, IT WILL CONTINUE TO RISE AS THE MARKET ALLOWS.
AND NONE OF THESE HAVE GARAGE, NO GARAGE FOR ANY OF THEM.
NO, WE ARE CONTEMPLATING TO PUT A, TO PUT SOME GARAGES ON THE MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL AS THE SENIOR, BUT THEY WOULD BE, UM, JOINED GARAGES, UM, POSSIBLY SIX OR EIGHT IN A ROW WITHIN THE PARKING FIELDS, BUT NONE OF THEM ARE INTRINSIC TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO WITH THAT, AND WHAT DOES THIS DO? AND I'VE STARTED TO ALLUDE TO A LOT OF THIS ALREADY, AND I WON'T READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU, BUT ON THE LEFT, THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE GREEN, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, THE STICKING STRICTLY FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS PIECE OF THE STUDY, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT TO, UH, PLACE CIVIC USES ON THE SITE TO TRANSFORM BRAND PIKE FROM AUDIO OR AUTO ORIENTED, UH, ROUTES, UH, THROUGH A ROUTE FOR SAFE T SAFELY ACCOMMODATING MULTIPLE MODES OF TRAVEL, UM, REDUCE THE SIZE OF BLOCKS, INCREASE THE DIVERSITY OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPES, CONCENTRATE DEVELOPMENT, AND KEY STRATEGIC LOCATIONS AND INCORPORATE THE NATURAL FEATURES.
SO HOW WE BELIEVE THIS IS, THIS IS DOING THAT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT.
AND THIS SLIDE SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL AGREEMENTS.
AND WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE ADA EDA AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN BEFORE COUNCIL AND PAST, UM, THE DEVELOPER WILL PURCHASE GROUND FROM THE CITY.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT $40 MILLION OF TAXABLE PROPERTY AND, UM, BUILD AND SPLIT THE COST OF THE LOOP ROAD, UTILITY AND STORMWATER FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
THERE WAS A PUBLIC FORUM ON 8 30, 1 21 THAT WAS BEYOND THAT AT THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE.
AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS THEIR DESIRE FOR OPEN OUTDOOR SPACE FOR WALKABLE SPACE, CONNECTIVITY OF TRAFFIC, CIVIC USES AND NEW RETAIL SPACE.
SO OUR, OUR SPECIFIC PLAN AND WE'RE A COMPONENT OF THIS PLAN HAS MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES IS GOING TO DELIVER LIBRARY, RENOVATED RETAIL MEDICAL, USE A SENIOR CENTER THAT THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO.
THAT IS A PUBLIC USE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS, SENIOR APARTMENTS, AND A FUTURE CIVIC USE.
WE'VE PAID SOME SPECIFIC THOUGHT INTO GREENSPACE AND WALKABILITY THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
I'M LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY CONNECTIVITY TO BRANT FITCHBURG AND INTO THE NORTHERN SHOPPING CENTER IN THE FUTURE.
YOU'LL SEE KIND OF A ROAD TO NOWHERE.
THAT IS AN INTENTION FOR A POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTION THROUGH WHAT IS AN OPEN SPACE CURRENTLY NOW.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH, UM, WITH STAFF WHO HAS GOTTEN IN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, FROM EVEN THE EDA TO RATE, PAY SOME SERIOUS ATTENTION TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND WITH THAT, UM, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A PLAN THAT AT A MINIMUM RIGHT NOW WE'LL HAVE A 25 FOOT BUFFER OFF OF THE NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT OF NOT ONLY DENSE TREES, BUT ALSO THAT OF, I I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MY CIVIL ENGINEER, I'M WORKING ON IT, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ALMOST A SIX FOOT MOUND AND TWENTY-FIVE FEET OF SETBACK.
SO WE ARE PAYING SIGNIFICANT ATTENTION TO THAT BOUNDARY FURTHER
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THAN THAT, WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED STEPPING THE BUILDINGS DOWN ALONG THAT BOUNDARY.SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE, THE SENIOR BUILDING IS PULLED, UM, FURTHER OFF OF THAT BOUNDARY THAN THAT, OF THE MULTI-FAMILY.
SO THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS ARE THREE-STORY WALK-UPS UNTIL YOU GET TO THAT BACK BOUNDARY WHERE WE HAVE, WHAT IS A TWO, THREE STORY, ALMOST A TOP HAT DESIGN IS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL IT.
AND I CAN GO BACK TO THAT TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IMAGE THERE ON THE LEFT.
SO IT'S THREE STORIES IN THE MIDDLE AND TWO STORIES ON THE SIDES OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT, UNDERSTANDING THAT REALLY THE BUSY-NESS OF THE BUSTLE AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO EXIST DOWN TOWARDS THE PARK, THE WATER, THE CIVIC USES, AND THAT OF THE RETAIL I SEE ON ONE OF THESE THAT YOU DO HAVE, IT APPEARS TO BE AN OUTDOOR POOL.
AND IS THAT A CLUTTERED HOUSE? IS THAT ALSO IN THE PLANS OR IS THAT YES, IT IS KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A CLUBHOUSE WITH AN OUTDOOR POOL SERVING THE MARKET RATE APARTMENT COMMUNITY.
I DID NOT HAVE AN IMAGE OF THAT.
SO WHAT DO YOU SPEC AT RENOVATED RETAIL? WHAT YOU, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS AROUND RENOVATING RETAIL? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE CITY IS DOING.
SO THE CITY IS, IS PLAYING TO RE-SKIN THE ENTIRE FRONT OF, UM, WHAT IS RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF FITCHBURG AND BRAND.
SO THEIR GOAL, THEY DO HAVE A BROKER.
UM, I BELIEVE HE'S DELIVERED FEEDBACK VERY RECENTLY, UH, BACK TO THE CITY THAT WILL HOPEFULLY IMPART SOME OF THE DESIGN AND THE COSTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT YOU, I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO SEE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT THEY WILL BE RE-SKINNING AND RETENANTING THOSE BUILDINGS TO MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE UP-TO-DATE AND BIBLE THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.
I'M DELIGHTED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU AND HAVE THE FORUM AGAIN.
SO ANY QUESTIONS AND CERTAINLY ANYTHING THAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE ARE, UM, COME BACK HERE ON THE 14TH TO DO A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON THE RESIDENTIAL, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, DEFINITELY YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BUFFERING.
I WOULD PLAN TO HAVE THAT, EVEN IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE A RENDERING THAT SHOWS LINE OF SIGHT FROM WHERE THEY ARE, VERSUS HOW MINIMALLY IMPACTED THEY MAY ACTUALLY BE.
IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PERCEIVED TO BE WORSE THAN IT IS PROBABLY TYPICALLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE STEPPING DOWN TO THE TWO STORY INSTEAD OF THE THREE STORY IN THERE.
I MEAN, I WOULD MAKE IT A POINT TO HAVE THAT.
UM, WHEN YOU MENTIONED WORKFORCE LEVEL, I HEAR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
SO IF IT'S NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING AND IT'S JUST MARKET RATE APARTMENTS, AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR THAT TO BE IN THE DISCUSSION, UNLESS THERE IS A REASON, THEN I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
BUT IF THERE'S NO REASON, I'D ASSUME IT NOT COME UP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT AROUND TOWN PERSONALLY, IF WE'RE SAYING AGAIN, IN, IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WE'VE ALL SAID, WE NEED DISCRETIONARY INCOME IN THAT AREA, AND WE NEED TO ELEVATE THE AVERAGE INCOME IN THAT AREA VERSUS THE 2 0 2 AND RETAILERS.
BUT SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN LET'S PUSH THOSE POSITIVES.
I WOULD SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND TO, TO EASE THAT POINT, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, AND EVERYBODY HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE WORKFORCE LEVEL WAS REALLY JUST AN AMI RESPONSE.
IT'S NOT TRULY WORKFORCE THAT'S MENTIONED.
AND IT JUST, I THINK WOULD CARRY A, A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION ALONG THE LINES OF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIM FOR INCREASING DISCRETIONARY SPENDING.
UM, AND THEN ON THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES, I MEAN, I THINK IF, IF FEEDBACK COMES IN QUICK, I DO THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE AGING IN THE CITY, UH, AND THAT'S EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST HERE, UH, IS THAT, WHAT IF THERE'S ENOUGH DEMAND FOR MORE OF THAT COMMUNITY AND LESS OF THE OTHER? OKAY.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED INTO OR IS IT THE MARKET RATE RENT IS GOING TO HELP FUND THE PROJECT? PROBABLY HEAVIER.
I WOULD SAY, WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY LESS OF A FUNDING MECHANISM.
WE WERE GOING TO DEVELOP BOTH THE STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR SENIOR PRODUCT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN MULTIPLE AREAS.
IN FACT, TWO OF WHICH ALREADY HERE IN DAYTON.
UM, AND SO IT'S GOT THE SEPARATE OWNERSHIP GROUP WITHIN THE COMPANY.
ALL OF THAT SAID, UM, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT AT, AT WHAT I LIKE TO CALL ATTAINABLE RENTS IS TO DO IS THE PROTOTYPE.
SO THIS SAME BUILDING IS, IS IN BEAVER CREEK.
IT'S GOING UP IN MIAMI SBIRT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO NOT THAT THAT'S OFF THE TABLE, BUT THAT'S THE REASON IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOES TODAY.
WELL, YOU, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT WORKS AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOT WITH THE CONGREGATE EATING AND ALL OF THAT.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, THERE'S SORT OF LIKE IF ANY PROTOTYPE, TONS OF RESEARCH, TONS OF BUYING POWER, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
NO, AND I, I JUST, I'VE HEARD ALREADY SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, AND THE TREES AND WE HAVE, WHATEVER'S GOING TO BE LOST.
SO I WOULD JUST PLAN ON THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT COMES UP.
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THANK YOU.ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS TONIGHT? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYONE.
SO YOU, SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WHEN I GET BACK.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA ON, UH, NUMBER EIGHT IS BE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION, OR STILL WANT TO HAVE IT OR NOT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE A BREAK IF WE ARE, I CAN DO A BREAK.
THE ENGINE ANYWAY, BUT THAT OTHER, THIS OTHER ADDRESSES, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
SO THE RUSH IS, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS TODAY OR, OR NOT? IT'S UP TO YOU BE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO HAPPEN.
THERE'S A FEAR NOTING THAT THE NEXT MEETING HAS QUITE A FEW ON THE AGENDA.
SO THIS IS THE, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU KIND OF THE MODIFIED VERSION OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THE CONSULTANTS GAVE, UH, THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, LAST MONTH.
SO THE WAY YARD, UH, AND, AND I KNOW ALL OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS, UH, THE WAY, UH, YARD, UM, IN COMPANY KIND OF BRAND THEIR APPROACH IS THEY HAVE A THREE-STEP PROCESS.
THE FIRST STEP THEY CALL EXPLORING, WHICH IS REALLY THE DATA COLLECTION, UH, THE GATHERING OF CENSUS DATA, GOING THROUGH THE VARIOUS, UH, PLANS, OUR UTILITY, UM, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, UH, AS WELL AS GOAL SETTING AND VISION, WHICH IS WHAT I REALLY, WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
THE SECOND, UM, STEP, THEY, THEY, THEY CALL TESTS.
THEY COME BACK WITH DRAFT OBJECTIVES, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, PROBABLY A DRAFT, UH, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, AND TEST THOSE IDEAS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE, UH, FINAL PLAN AND UPDATES.
WHEN I DO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, I HAVE A FIVE STEP PROCESS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME, THE SAME THING.
SO THE QUESTION THAT THEY ASKED THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, AND TO DO THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF NOTES BECAUSE I'M GOING TO REPLAY THIS VIDEO AND GET THE CONVERSATION FROM IT, AND I'LL TYPE UP THE NOTES, BUT HOW HAVE YOU, AS, AS BOTH THE BODY AND INDIVIDUALS, HOW ARE YOU USING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AS FAR AS YOUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES, UH, WITHIN, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF YOUR ROLE AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER CONTEXT IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRIVATE OR WORK LIFE, DO YOU SEE IT BEING USED? COULD IT BE WELL THAT'S ONE OF THE NOTES I PULLED IS WE'VE NEVER HAD A GROUP DISCUSSION AROUND IT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I MEAN, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER BEEN OTHER THAN ONCE IT'S DONE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHO KNOWS, LIKE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF US WERE ON THIS COMMITTEE WHEN THAT ONE WAS DONE, BUT IS, IS A PERIODIC REVIEW OR DISCUSSION AROUND THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE AS A GROUP AT SOME POINT.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION AROUND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THINGS ARE EVOLVING AND CHANGING NOW, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT DOING KIND OF A MIDPOINT CHECK-IN WITH A FIRM LIKE THIS INSTEAD OF A 10 YEAR SCHEDULED OR, OR IN A MORE OF AN EVENT DRIVEN? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT DRIVES IT OTHER THAN JUST, HEY, EVERY 10 YEARS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT.
SO IF I WERE ADVISING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AND IN A HIGH GROWTH AREA, LIKE HUBER HEIGHTS, I WOULD SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD CHECK IN ANNUALLY, UH, TO ONE, TO LOOK AT WHAT CASES WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DECIDED, AND WHAT WAS BUILT OVER THAT PAST YEAR TO KIND OF CELEBRATE THE SUCCESSES, ALSO EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WENT WRONG, WHICH DECISIONS DID, MAYBE IT WASN'T THE BEST IN HINDSIGHT.
UH, AND HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, TUNE UP THOSE GOALS
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IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN? ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THAT, DO WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THE ZONING MAP AND BE PROACTIVE IN IT? MAYBE SOME ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE NECESSARY.SO IN A COMMUNITY LIKE YOU WERE HEIGHTS, I WOULD SAY A ONE YEAR MIGHT BE A LITTLE I'M OPTIMISTIC, BUT FIVE YEARS MINIMUM TO SAY YOU DO THAT, THAT CHECK-IN AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
I HAVE A COPY OF COMPREHENSIVE HENS OR PLAN THAT I CHECK WITH WITH ANY CASE.
THEY'LL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ONLY THING IS THE MAP IS YOU CAN'T, THE MAP IS SO CONDENSED.
YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL IT DOES THE MAP DOESN'T HELP YOU AT ALL.
SO ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THIS NEXT PROCESS OF THIS NEXT VERSION WILL BE A STANDALONE MAP THAT THAT IS MUCH MORE LEGIBLE AND EASIER TO READ THE SAME WAY WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UM, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO READ AS WELL.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, AND I MEAN, WE'VE ASKED FOR TRAINING, WE'VE ASKED FOR INSIGHT AND I'VE GOTTEN NOTHING.
SO IN OHIO, UNLIKE, SO EVERY STATE DOES THEIR PLANNING LAWS DIFFERENTLY IN OHIO.
UM, THE ONLY TIME THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MENTIONED IN, UH, IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE ACTUALLY DEALS WITH TOWNSHIPS ZONING.
UH, AND SO IN THE, UH, THE PHRASE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ONLY, UH, COMES, UH, UNDER, UM, I'M GOING TO GET NERDY ON YOU, UH, OR C FIVE 19, UH, THAT IS THE SECTION OF THE OHIO REVISED CODE, DEALING WITH TOWNSHIP ZONING, UM, UNDER THE 700 SECTION, WHICH IS THE DEALING WITH MUNICIPALITIES IT'S NOT MENTIONED AT ALL.
UM, SO IT IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT, UM, THAT HELPS COMMUNITIES PLAN, BUT YOUR, YOUR REAL IMPLEMENTATION DOCUMENT IS THE ZONING MAP WITH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE BROUGHT BEFORE US NOW, AND IT SAYS, DOES IT CONFORM TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I MEAN, OUR PLAN ONE IS OUTDATED.
AND TWO, FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THOSE WORDS IN THERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, CAN WE QUIT PUTTING THOSE WORDS IN THERE SINCE IT'S CAUSED SOME PUSHBACK FROM SOME RESIDENTS ON SOME CASES? WELL, YOUR ZONING CODE IS PART OF THE 12 ITEMS TO CONSIDER WHEN, UM, WHEN, UH, PROVING A REZONING OR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE FIRST ONE IS, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR OTHER, OTHER POLICIES? SO, UM, I MAYBE MAYBE A BETTER PHRASE IS, IS IT NOT INCONSISTENT? SO THERE IS, THERE'S A GRAY AREA TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NOT HARD WINES IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SOME OF THEM, AND EVERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SOME ARE JUST KIND OF FUZZY EDGES.
SO YOU HAVE THESE TRANSITION AREAS, UM, BECAUSE MARKETS CHANGE.
UM, AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT IN 2017 IS, OR 2011, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE THINGS HAVE CHANGED THE AREA FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS LAST CASE, UM, THE AREA ON CHAMBERSBURG TO THE WEST, UM, WHEN WATER AND SEWER IS PUSHED OUT TO, UM, NEW CARLISLE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH PRESSURES ON WHAT RIGHT NOW IS ALL FARMLAND, UM, THAT, THAT WILL CHANGE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT WHAT'S THAT CHAMBERS TO THE CHAMBER'S WORK TO THESE, WHETHER I SAY, I'M SORRY.
CHAMBERSBURG TO THE, TO THE EAST, UM, THAT WILL, AND THE, THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR, I BELIEVE ALL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? UH, AND ONCE THAT WATER SEWERS EXTENDED, THAT'S NOT WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH.
W AND ISN'T THAT A TREND NOT JUST HERE, I MEAN, HIGHER DENSITIES, MORE THAN NORM, A LOT OF PLACES.
SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SPREAD THOSE, NOT ONLY IMMEDIATE COST OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE LONGTERM COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE OVER A GREATER NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS.
SO YOU LOWER THE PER PERSON COST OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR IT FIRST, USUALLY, UH, OR IT'S TIFFT, UM, BUT THEN 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S MAINTENANCE EXPENSES.
WELL, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR HUBER HEIGHTS IS ONLY A GUIDELINE.
IT'S OFTEN MORE TIMES PULLED OUT FOR A REASON TO SAY NO, THEN EVERY REASON TO SAY YES.
UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET TO WITH THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS WHAT I'D CALL AN AFFIRMATIVE PLAN, A PLAN THAT REALLY IS GUIDING AND NOT A
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REASON TO SAY NO, BUT, BUT REALLY FOCUSES THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT WE WANT X, Y, AND Z, THAT THE CURRENT PLAN DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO BE MORE AS A REACTION TO WHAT WE ARE THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.SO HOW DO YOU THINK IT COULD BE BETTER USED? IS THIS WHERE WE WOULD DO LIKE ZONING OVERLAYS AND REZONING? I MEAN, IS THAT WHERE THIS WOULD COME IN AND LARGELY FOR, FOR REZONINGS OR GUIDING SMALL AREA PLANS, LIKE THE BRANT PIPE REDEVELOPMENT STUDY AS THOUGH IT WAS A CLASSIC SMALL AREA PLAN, WHICH YOU'RE NOW SEEING THE FRUITS OF THAT LABOR.
I MEAN, I, I THINK ONE THING THAT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ZONING, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD BROUGHT UP BEFORE, IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL IN A DISTRICT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY, BUT A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT COMMERCIAL WITH AT DIFFERENT SETBACKS, OUR REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT I DO THINK SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE COMMERCIAL COULD BE 24 HOUR GAS STATION.
SO I THINK THAT, YEAH, NO PROBLEM.
THE VERY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE TREND ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES IS TO HAVE MORE MIXED USE.
AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT DIRECTION, THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO NEEDS TO BE MORE CONVERSATION.
BUT THAT PUTS THE PRESSURE ON THE DEVELOPER TO DELIVER, INSTEAD OF LIKE, WE LOSE A BANK AND A GUY IN A GAS STATION SHOWS UP.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT KIND OF STUFF IN THE BACKYARD THOUGH, I MEAN, WHEREAS LIKE A DAYCARE CENTER OR PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE, SOMETHING THAT IS SINGLE STORY BRICK WITH PARKING LOT PROFESSIONAL CONDOS THAT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROBABLY PRETTY WELL PERCEIVED OR AS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THROWN UP RIGHT.
IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD IS DIFFERENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO ME IS A DIFFERENT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLANNING SIDE IS WHERE THAT COMES IN OR THE ZONING SIDE.
I THINK THE EDGES OF A DISTRICT ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MIDDLE AND THEN HOW YOU MANAGE THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN, BETWEEN USES.
SO LOOKING BACK OVER THE LAST 10, 10 YEARS, WHAT, UH, WHAT'S CHANGED THE MOST AND WHAT'S CHANGED THE LEAST TRAFFIC.
I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY'S LIST TRAFFIC, A TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN HERE.
OH, THE J I HAVE TO SIT TO GET FROM POINT A TO 0.3 POINT V, WHICH USED TO TAKE ME FIVE MINUTES ACROSS TOWN.
NOW IT'S 30 MINUTES TO CROSS TOWN JUST BECAUSE ALL THE STOPLIGHTS AND THE TRAFFIC AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TO MEET TRAFFIC, IT'S JUST NOT AN ISSUE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE I'VE LIVED SO MANY OTHER PLACES, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SIT FOR A MINUTE, A WHOLE MINUTE GOODNESS SAKES FOR THE LIGHT CHANGES, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO SIT THROUGH TWO LIGHTS.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE SINCE THE, AT LEAST SINCE THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF NOT BEFORE, THERE HAD BEEN BIG SIGNS EVERYWHERE THAT SAY, COME GROW WITH US.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS UNEXPECTED, RIGHT.
AND THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS YOU, DON'T LIKE YOU GET FIVE OR SIX WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY'RE NOT TIMED PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF THING.
BUT, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, EVEN LIKE WITH THE DEVELOPERS THAT JUST KIND OF SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO COME ON, WANT TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO BEING MORE, UH, MORE, UM, UPFRONT, YOU KNOW, AND TRYING TO BRING IN THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT WE LIKE.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT AN OVERABUNDANCE OF FAST FOOD AND SHORTAGE OF NICE RESTAURANTS TO GO IN AND SIT DOWN WITH A FAMILY OR, OR, OR THAT TYPE THING WHERE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF ALL THE LAND AS FAR AS BEING MORE DIVERSITY IN WHAT WE ARE PUTTING OUT TO.
BUT DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY GOING OUT AND LOOKING FOR THOSE HIGHER END RESTAURANTS THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY THAT CAN HELP DEVELOP WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? RIGHT.
WE DON'T NEED THE DEPARTMENT NOW.
SO I THINK THAT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
I MEAN, YOU, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A RESIDENT OF HUBER CAN REACH OUT TO A COMPANY AND SEND HIM AN EMAIL AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY I FEEL YOU SHOULD COME HERE.
I'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU, BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO COME TO OUR CITY.
DO THEY HAVE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE REALLY TRULY GONNA HAVE THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, I MEAN, OUR AVERAGE HOME VALUES, POPULATION, AVERAGE INCOME, UM, AVERAGE WITH A HIGH SCHOOL THAT HOUSEHOLDS
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WITH HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMAS, GRAD COLLEGE GRADUATES, ALL THOSE NUMBERS HAVE GONE UP.AND IN 2021, THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, WE'RE THE ONLY, THE ONLY CITY IN THE COUNTY THAT HAD POPULATION GROWTH, I THINK.
ARE WE MARKETING IT? WELL, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT'S FULL-TIME JOB IS TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
THAT'S ALL HE DOES ALL DAY LONG AND IT SHOWS WHERE THE CITY IS LACKING IN AND MAYBE THEY'RE WORKING NEEDED ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO REBUILD THE STAFF LEVEL.
MAYBE A COUNCIL PERSON DIDN'T WALK OUT OF A MEETING.
WE COULD HAVE VOTED ON A CITY MANAGER ROLE TO GET THAT SPARK GOING AND THEN GET THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT LET'S FOCUS.
SO LOOKING AHEAD, WHAT DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO CHANGE AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AND WHAT SHOULD STAY THE SAME WHAT'S WORKING WELL AND WHAT ISN'T WHEN FROM, FROM PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE, WELL, THE RESIDENTIAL IS OBVIOUSLY WORKING SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY.
WE'RE SEEING, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR AND I THINK IN SOME CASES, AND I'M NOT SAYING THE SENIOR LIVING SHOULD BE $500 A MONTH, BUT IT SHOULDN'T ALSO BE A COUPLE GRAND A MONTH.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS, LIKE HE STATED THEY'RE RE THEY'RE RELYING ON THE SALE OF THEIR HOME.
THEY'RE RELYING ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY OUTLIVED THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY IN THE SALE OF THEIR HOME IS GONE AND, YOU KNOW, SECURITY IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT, THEY LOSE THEIR SPOUSE.
SO THEY'VE LOST THAT DOUBLE INCOME.
UM, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A VERY DIVERSE, AND I KNOW HE SAID THAT LIKE THE 55 AND UP, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY IT'S 65, BUT HONESTLY, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING AND THAT I'M WILLING TO MOVE RIGHT AWAY, BUT I'M ONE OF THOSE ONES WHO WAS LOOKING FOR A REASONABLE PLACE TO DOWNSIZE.
SO I NO LONGER HAVE TO CUT MY GRASS.
I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THE INDOOR OUTDOOR MAINTENANCE, UH, THAT YOU HAVE TO AS A HOMEOWNER.
AND REALLY ALL YOU HAVE AROUND HERE IS THREE AND $400,000 CONDOS OR RENT.
I DON'T WANT TO PAY RENT FOR THE NEXT 25, 30 YEARS.
TO ME, THAT'S THROWING MY MONEY AWAY.
NOT EVERYBODY THINKS OF IT THAT WAY, BUT TO ME, IT'S THROWING IT AWAY.
THAT'S REALLY SINGLE LEVEL GARAGE.
THAT'S VERSATILE FOR EVEN A FINN, YOU KNOW, TRULY A 55 OR UP, YOU KNOW, THAT POTENTIALLY IS A WIDOW OR POTENTIALLY JUST DIVORCED AND CAN'T AFFORD TO GO OUT AND BUY THEIR OWN HOUSE, BUT DOESN'T WANT IT.
CAN'T, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T WANT TO PAY TWO GRAND A MONTH FOR RENT.
WE HAVE ONE SMALL AREA AND IT'S DOWN OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS SO POPULAR THAT YOU NEVER HAVE TO PUT A SIGN IN THE YARD.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ONLY, SO IT'S WORD OF MOUTH THAT IT'S SOLD.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE OFF THE COPPER, LIKE BACK IN THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME INDIAN BACK OFF HERE THAT ARE NO, JUST THE ONE RIGHT BY THE WATER.
OH, I DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES.
IT'S GREAT THAT HE'S THERE BUILDING A THREE STORY WITH AN ELEVATOR THAT THAT'S A UNIQUE CON UH, YOU KNOW, CONCEPT.
WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THREE STORIES WITH UP STEPS? I LOVE THE ELEVATOR FACTOR BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY CAN CARRY THEIR GROCERIES UP AND DOWN THE STEPS, BUT THAT'S ONLY IN THE SENIOR ONE, BUT YOU, BUT YOU IT'S WINTER HERE.
WE ARE NOT, UH, OR NOT A, UH, SUMMER YEAR ROUND.
SO PARKING GARAGES ARE IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET OUT IN THE MORNING AND HAVE TO SCRAPE THEIR CAR.
SO WHAT'S WORKING WELL AND SHOULD BE RETAINED.
UH, THE DIVERSITY IN THIS CITY I THINK IS, GO AHEAD.
W WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHAT TYPE, WHAT TYPE OF DIVERSITY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? JUST ETHNICITY.
I THINK GETTING INCOME WISE, WE HAVE QUITE A, UH, A VARIETY VARIATIONS FROM ONE, ONE TO THE OTHER.
AND THEN I DUNNO ABOUT WHAT SHOULD STAY THE SAME OR CHANGE IF THIS IS HERE AGAIN, OR ZONING.
BUT IF, AS WE'RE SEEING A PUSH TO HIGHER DENSITY, I MEAN, SHOULD WE LOOK AT WIDER ROADS AT SOME POINT? I MEAN, IT'S 27 FOOT MINIMUM WITH ROADS ARE PRETTY TIGHT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S ALL WE'RE SEEING, EXCEPT FOR LIKE KILOMETER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND A HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS.
YOU DRIVE THROUGH THESE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT'S PRETTY
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TIGHT.DRAGS REMINDED ME THAT PROBLEM.
SO THE PLANNER IN ME SAYS, NO, UM, BECAUSE NO ROAD SLOW TRAFFIC.
UH, AND SO WIDER ROADS WILL, UM, WILL NATURALLY INCREASE THE SPEED.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO WANT FOLKS ARE GONNA WANT SPEED BUMPS AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT.
SO WHAT I THINK IS, IS MORE PROBABLY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IS A MORE DISTRIBUTIVE, UM, TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
SO, UM, MANY CITIES OR SUBURBS ARE NOW STARTING TO, UM, UH, REALLY OUTLAWS, UM, CALL THE SACKS, UH, AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS A CONNECTED NETWORK, WHICH DISPERSES THE TRAFFIC IN, IN, IN A MORE DISTRIBUTED WAY AND NOT PUTTING EVERYTHING ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR SIX MAIN THOROUGHFARES, WHICH THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE S YOU'RE SITTING THERE WHILE THE CAR WASH LINE BACKS UP OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, AND SO IF YOU HAVE THAT DISTRIBUTED NETWORK, BE THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY LOW BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY SPREADING THAT OUT, BUT IT TAKES SOME EDUCATION BECAUSE WE'RE USED TO CALL THE SACKS.
WE'RE USED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT A LOT OF DEAD END STREETS, UM, WHICH FUNNELS THE TRAFFIC TO TWO OR THREE POINTS.
BUT THEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF EVERY BOTH HOUSES, I THOUGH DIDN'T YOU EVER HAVE BOTH BEEN IN A CALL TO SAC FOR KIDS WHEN YOU HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, A CUL-DE-SAC IS GREAT BECAUSE IT REALLY SLOWS THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE.
THEY'RE NOT SPEEDING UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
UM, I LIKED LIVING IN A CALL WITH SAC.
IT'S QUIET, IT'S PRIVATE, IT'S ALSO CHEAP FOR DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP CAUSE IT'S TAKES LESS ROADWAY AND A STRUCTURE, WHICH WAS WHY THEY CAME INTO EXISTENCE TO THE, YEAH.
I LIKE, I MEAN, SIDEWALK WITH WOULD BE ANOTHER THING.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE WALKING ON A TRADITIONAL MINIMUM WITH SIDEWALK AND A FOUR FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK NEXT TO SOMEONE OR HAVING PASSING ROOM WELL, AND I THINK SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND IT'S AS WE AGE AND, AND THEY'RE MORE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE USING MOBILITY DEVICES THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS FIT ON FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS.
UM, SO YEAH, AS WE BECOME A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY, YOU'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE OUT ON THE SIDEWALKS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WALKING THEIR DOGS WHERE NOW THEY HAVE TO LIKE COMPLETELY CROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT OTHER FOLKS COME IN AND THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO FIT EVERYBODY.
I THINK FROM, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY SORT OF RECENT OUTSIDER IS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE CONNECTIVITY TO THE NATION'S LARGEST, UM, BIKE TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND, UM, THERE'S A FEW CONNECTIONS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT BY AND LARGE, UH, IT'S, YOU CAN'T GET ON, YOU KNOW, THE 400 CONNECTED MILES THROUGHOUT MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND REALLY THE WHOLE MIAMI VALLEY.
I THINK THERE WERE PLANS WHEN THERE TO CONNECT CHAMBERSBURG.
THERE IS THAT THAT'S GOING THROUGH, THERE'S A GRID.
SO TO DO THAT, WHICH WAS WHEN WE, UH, DID THE SUB, WHEN WE APPROVED THE SUBDIVISION FOR I'M GOING TO DRAW THE BLANK WEST POINT WEST FORT, WE ASKED THEM TO, UH, TO WIDEN THAT SIDEWALK OR AT LEAST CREATE THE BASE FOR A 10 FOOT PATH.
SO WHICH AREAS OF THE CITY ARE CHANGING ARE GROWING, I GUESS, POSITIVELY IN WHICH, WHICH AREAS DO WE WANT TO SEE MORE EMPHASIS ON THAT? HAVEN'T I FEEL LIKE THE NORTH, THE NORTH IS DEFINITELY SOUTH IS KIND OF A, THIS MARRIOTT MEADOWS DEAL HERE.
MAYBE THAT'LL SPARK INTEREST IN THE SOUTHERN END OF THE, I MEAN, THE SOUTH IS A VERY OLD COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, THE HOUSE WE GREW UP IN IS, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY SMALL, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEY DON'T GET A LOT OF LOVE AND THAT, THAT AREA OVER THERE, BUT IT'S INTERESTING.
YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN A STREET AND YOU CAN TELL MAYBE EVERY THIRD HOUSE HAS A LOT OF LOVE.
AND, AND THEN THE NEXT THING, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, OH, IT JUST TAKES LONG TO SPREAD THE LOVE FIREWORKS.
THERE'S OTHER AREAS IN THE SOUTHERN PART THAT REALLY COULD USE LOVE AS FAR AS SOME OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS, SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THOSE, SOME OF THOSE AREAS THERE, UM, DOESN'T THE BRAND PIE CORRIDOR EXTEND DOWN TO KITTREDGE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO, WHEN, YOU KNOW,
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THE SOUTHERN PART OF OLD TROY PIKE PROBABLY COULD USE SOME, UH, SMALL AREA PLAN FOCUSED DURING THIS PROCESS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF NEED MORE IN THAT AREA, MOVING, MOVING NORTH.AND YOU'RE IN YOUR TRAVELS, IS THERE ALWAYS A SECTION OF TOWN IT'S JUST KIND OF RUN DOWN ALWAYS.
BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A LIFE CYCLE, RIGHT? THEY'RE THEY'RE, THEY THEY'RE DEVELOPED, THEY MATURE, THEN THERE'S A PERIOD OF DECLINE.
AND EVENTUALLY THE ECONOMICS WORKS TO WHERE THERE'S A REDEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE IS, THERE'S ALWAYS A LIFECYCLE IN, IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SOME, THE LIFE CYCLE IS, UH, IS A SHORTER PERIOD IN SOME IT'S MUCH, MUCH LONGER.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, SAY OLD TROY PIKE IN THAT SOUTHERN PART, MOST OF THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS WERE PROBABLY BUILT IN THE FIFTIES.
AND SO YOU'RE 72 YEARS IN, UH, AND THAT, THAT THOSE MECHANICS SYSTEMS AND THE STRUCTURES THAT THEY'VE AGED AS IN, IN OUR, OUR, UH, CONSUMPTION TRENDS, UH, HAVE AS WELL.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS DOING TO REPHASE THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE ON BRAND, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED, RIGHT? NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 2000 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, $2,000 A MONTH RENT BECAUSE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCUBATE NEW AND EMERGENCY NEW AND EMERGING BUSINESSES IN THOSE, THOSE OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS.
BUT, UH, THEY CERTAINLY COULD USE AN INFUSION OF CAPITAL TO BRING THEM UP TO TODAY'S STANDARDS.
AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULNESS AND THEY NEED TO BE SCRAPED AND, AND RE REDEVELOPED.
AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY WE'VE BUILT A LOT OF SINGLE PURPOSE OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE MEYERS, THE WALMARTS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE DESIGNED TO LAST 20 YEARS AND THEN START OVER.
UM, SO IT'S A SHAME, HOPE HOUSING IS BECOMING RECYCLABLE, JUST LIKE CARS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, SO THE QUESTION HERE, THEY FRAMED IT AS WHO IS THE HUBER HUBER HEIGHTS AUDIENCE.
I WOULD PHRASE IT IS WHAT'S THE VALUE PROPOSITION FOR HUBER HEIGHTS? WHY SHOULD SOMEBODY CHOOSE TO LIVE OR SET UP A BUSINESS IN HUBER HEIGHTS, FRIENDLY COMMUNITY ACCESS? WE'VE GOT A TON OF IT, 70, 75, 76, 70 TO 2 35.
WELL, I WILL SAY PERFECT REALLY SAID LOCATION.
WE, YOU CAN LIVE HERE AND GET TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE PRETTY QUICK.
OR YOU CAN LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WORK HERE.
WHETHER IT'S COLUMBUS OR CINCINNATI HERE.
YOU GET THE AIRPORT MESA BASE, YOU GOT A LOT OF PLACES IN 30 MINUTES TOWNS ACROSS TOWN, DOWNTOWN, THE, A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIES AND STUFF, THE HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, THE DETROIT AREA, THE, THE, UM, UH, DIFFERENT INDUSTRY THAT'S UP THERE, YOU KNOW, PERFECT PLACE TO LIVE AND, AND BE CLOSE TO WORK.
SO JANUARY REALTOR, WHEN, UH, WHEN, WHO ARE THE COMPETITORS, WHO'S THE CON WHAT COMMUNITIES, THE COMPETITION FOR NEW RESIDENTS? WHAT DOES A PEER COMMUNITY? UM, WELL IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING PLACES, VANDALIA, INGLEWOOD, FAIRBORN.
AND I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY INGLEWOOD ANYMORE.
NO, PROBABLY NOT FORTUNATE NOT TO KNOCK THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY GROWTH, NO BEAVER CREEK OR IS IT TOO FAR HUNTING? I THINK, I THINK, UH, THE CLIENTELE FOR BEAVER CREEK IS DIFFERENT THAN HUBER HEIGHTS.
JUST DEPENDS ON THE INCOME FOR BEAVER CREEK.
I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED A BLUE COLLAR, BLUE COLLAR COMMUNITY AND YEAH.
THAT'S, I THINK THE AUDIENCE PART IS A LITTLE BIT OF, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TOOT OUR OWN HORN A LITTLE BIT SOMEWHERE, BUT WE'RE NOT HUGE BRIAR HEIGHTS THIS OLD, WELL, IT WAS ME COMMUNITY ANYMORE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A TON OF PROJECTS COMING THROUGH HERE AND WE DON'T SEE EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED TO ME, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT A LITTLE CITY ANYMORE, NOT A LITTLE TOWN, WE'RE A REAL CITY.
AND, AND IT'S OKAY TO TELL PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SNUG YOUR NOSE ABOUT CENTERVILLE AND WHATEVER, BUT WE GOT A LOT TO OFFER.
WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, IMPORTANT BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, OR, YOU KNOW, UM, LATERION PERSONALITY.
IT'S NOT JUST, UH, THE, UM, ORIGINALLY THAT WAS THE FAMILIES THAT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, UM, LABORERS AND STUFF, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT NOT A PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE, UM, FIND THIS TO BE A REALLY COMFORTABLE IN A PLACE TO LIVE AND, AND,
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AND GROW, YOU KNOW, RAISE THEIR CHILDREN.UM, IT, IT'S GOT A GOOD NAME FOR IT.
IF WE, AND I KNOW THAT CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT PAUL, WE GOT TO WORK ON OUR SCHOOLS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BIG CONCERN ABOUT ANYONE THAT WANTS TO COME TO OHIO OR TO THE DAYTON AREA.
DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A STELLAR REPUTATION WHEN IT COMES TO THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, NOT THE REPUTATION, IT'S THE SCORES.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE ON OR NOT.
I MEAN, NOT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT THIS IS A LOT THAT, THAT HAS A FACTOR IN WHAT, AND WHO WAS DRAWN HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ARE WE AN OPEN ENROLLMENT? I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN ENROLLMENT, RIGHT? ANYBODY CAN, ANYBODY, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER HERE, YOU CAN SEND A KID HERE TO PLAY FOOTBALL.
BUT THAT'S ON THE SCHOOL TO FIGURE OUT THEY, THEY WANT THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT FOOTBALL PROGRAM.
THAT'S A FEATURE THAT I'VE, I'VE NOTICED THAT WE'RE NOT TOO FAR FROM A RURAL AREA.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO JUST GET AWAY FROM HOME AND GO SEE SOME TREES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE HAVE A LOT OF ROUNDS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT CARRIAGE HILL.
WE HAD TO PARK, WE HAVE PARKS.
WE HAVE THE, UM, THE, LIKE YOU SAID, CONNECTING TO THE PATHWAYS.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE NOT THAT FAR FROM US THAT, UH, IT DOESN'T TAKE YOU MUCH TO GET THERE, YOU KNOW, AND OWN THAT, HOW AS WE GROW AND HOW DO WE START TO INCORPORATE BIKE LANES INTO THE ROADWAYS WITH THE ROAD NETWORK, WE ALREADY HAVE NOT BEING EQUIPPED FOR IT.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT IS NECESSARY THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE LOOK FOR INSTEAD OF RIDING DOWN THE SIDEWALKS OR RIDING IN THE RIGHT-HAND LANE.
SO I THINK PART OF THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE OUTGROWTH OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT OR TESTING TO SEE IF THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEN DOING SMALL DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS, BECAUSE SOME, THE KNEE JERK REACTION CAN BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ADDING A BIKE LANE THAT ALSO THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE NOW INCREASING MY COMMUTE TRAVEL TIME BY THREE HOURS, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET.
UH, SO SHOWING THAT SHOWING RESIDENTS ARE ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE SKEPTICAL, THAT THAT REALLY ISN'T THE CASE THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN CO-EXIST, BUT ALSO THEN MAKING SURE THAT OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS HAVE THE STREET DESIGN TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
SO MAYBE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT AWAY, BUT THE CURB TO CURB DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT BIG, BUT IT ALLOWS FUTURE.
THAT'S WHY I USUALLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH BIKE PATHS OR BIKE LANES AS WELL.
YOU, YOU JUST TOOK, YOU HAD TWO LANES GOING DOWN HERE AND NOW YOU'VE TAKEN HALF OF ONE LANE NOW, JUST, WHY CAN'T WE JUST ADD THAT? AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MULTI, UH, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS, NOT ALL BIKE LANES ARE CREATED EQUAL AND NOT ALL BIKE RIDERS ARE CREATED EQUAL.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY COMFORTABLE ON A MULTI-USE MULTI-USE PATH, BUT YOU PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE, TRAVELING DOWN OLD TROY PIKE, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO END WELL.
UM, SO IT JUST DEPENDS, AND THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS ON THE PROCESS.
SO HOW SHOULD WE, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, ENGAGE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, ARE THERE PARTICULAR, UM, AVENUES THAT YOU THINK WOULD WORK BEST SURVEYS, FESTIVALS? I THINK ANYTIME A NEW BUSINESS COMES INTO HUBER HEIGHTS, IT DOESN'T HURT TO SEE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO, UM, MAYBE TAKE ON A SPECIAL PROJECT FOR THEM, WHETHER IT BE THE BOY SCOUTS OR A BASEBALL TEAM, YOU KNOW, TO SPONSOR IT, JUST THAT, FOR THAT, THAT THING.
AND, AND, AND IT WOULD BE, UM, SOME THEY'RE DEDICATED TO DOING THAT FROM THE GET GO.
SO I'M SPEAKING MORE ABOUT THE, UH, THE PLAN, THE COMMENTS, A PLAN PROJECT IN GENERAL.
SO OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, HOW SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ENGAGE RESIDENTS? W WHAT DO YOU THINK AS, AS A, IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD HERE, SOCIAL MEDIA, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'LL FIND OUT, YOU'LL FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HEAR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING WRONG.
I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO THEM, YOU KNOW, AS MAYBE LIKE AN, IN AN AREA, YOU KNOW, A TOWN HALL MEETING, LIKE A TOWN HALL, MAYBE CERTAIN AREAS, AND JUST HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU COME OVER FOR COFFEE
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AND, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, UM, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT WE HAD TO OFFER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND, AND DO IT IN A, SOMEWHAT OF A SMALL SETTING.AND THEN JUST BOUNCING THAT AROUND.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE DOING THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW AT COFFEE, WITH A COP.
AND THERE THEY'VE BEEN AT ALL AREAS OF THE CITY, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST SO FAR.
I LIKE WHAT SAYING HE SAYS, BECAUSE USUALLY IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE PAST, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A, UH, AN OPEN ME TO ANYONE.
AND YOU HAVE THAT HANDFUL OF SAME PEOPLE COME IN AND TAKE OVER THE WHOLE MEETING TO WHERE NOBODY ELSE HAS.
ONCE THEY EVEN SAY ANYTHING OR WE'RE AFRAID TO, OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE SHUTTING AWAY TO WHERE THINK GOING, LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, DO YOU HAVE A DISTRICT? IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, OR JUST AN AREA TO WHERE, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHECK IDS.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS THE PEOPLE HERE.
WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE COMING DOWN HERE IN THIS MEETING.
WELL, WHAT IF, I MEAN, WHAT IF WE IDENTIFIED THE GROUPS? I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE WHAT SENIOR CENTER GROUPS, THERE'S GOING TO BE CHURCH GROUPS THAT COULD BE IN THE HOA GROUPS TARGETING BY THESE CLUSTERS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEADER IN EACH CLUSTER, BUT PROBABLY THAT IT'S CONNECTED.
BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU CAN COME TO AS A COMPLAINT SESSION.
THIS IS SOMETHING TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD IN THE VISION OF THE CITY THAT IS INCUMBENT ON US, ON HOW WE FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION.
I'M SAYING, I THINK WHEN WE APPROACH THIS, IT HAS TO BE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME POSITIVE, ENCOURAGING, UM, FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN GROW.
WE WANT TO BE ATTRACTIVE 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, NOT WHAT'S WRONG.
WE HEAR IT EVERY DAY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
CAUSE WE ALL, EVERY ONE OF US HEAR THEM.
THIS IS A CHANCE FOR YOU TO REALLY SHARE YOUR IDEAS.
I MEAN, I THINK WHOEVER, I MEAN, IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LIST OF OUR BIGGEST EMPLOYERS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THEM, WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUALLY OR IN A GROUP MEETING OF, HEY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU NEEDING? OBVIOUSLY THEY ALL NEED JOBS, BUT YOU KNOW, ARE WORKERS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU NEEDING? WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS? WHAT, WHAT KEEPS YOU HERE IS YOU'RE ALWAYS YOU HERE AND WHAT IS THE RISK, RIGHT.
AND WHAT RISKS DO WE FACE THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO PULL AWAY FROM HERE? I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WELL, THE CITY AND THE, UH, UM, SHOOT, WHAT IS MARK CHAMBER? THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND HE'S BEEN INVITED TO REALLY NEED TO BE HOOKED TOGETHER.
LIKE THE YEARS AGO THEY WERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING HAPPENED IN HAS JUST BEEN, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THOSE ARE, I MEAN, THE CHAMBER HAS A TOUCH OF ALL THE BUSINESSES AND THEY DO LIKE A MONTHLY BUSINESS TO BUSINESS CONNECT.
I'M USED TO, I THINK THERE'S STILL JIM, ARE THEY BACK TO DOING IT NOW? CAN THEY DO IT?
I'M GONNA ASK YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
UH, AND I WANT EACH OF YOU TO, TO ANSWER IT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF, UH, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE HUBER HEIGHTS TO YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DESCRIBE YOUR RIGHTS TO YOUR FAMILY OR FRIENDS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS? SO WHAT, WHAT IT'D BE LIKE IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW PROGRESSIVE WOULD BE, YEAH.
SO BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE THE VISION? WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE HUBER HEIGHTS TO YOU AND HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT TO SOMEBODY? I MEAN, SOMETHING WITH OPTIONS AND SAFE SAFETY, RELIABLE, I MEAN, OPTIONS ON HOUSING AND OPTIONS ON THINGS TO DO, YOU KNOW, FRIENDLY FOR YOUR KIDS TO BE OUT IN A PARK, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO, TO GROW AND LEARN AND, AND INVESTIGATE LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON THE FLOWERS.
AND I MEAN, I'VE LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS ALL MY LIFE.
AND YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING DRIVES ME AWAY, IT WILL BE, UM, WHERE MY FAMILY GOES, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE HE LIVES, UM, OR I CAN GET MY HOME IN FLORIDA.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, IN THE END IT'S OPEN TO ANYONE, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S A, THE CITY PROVIDES FOR EVERYONE AND THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
THEY WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, THEY VALUE YOUR INPUT.
UM, AND, UH, THEY'VE MADE CHANGES AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGES BECAUSE OF THE INPUT OF THE RESIDENTS AND THAT THAT'S
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HOW THE CITY HAS GROWN AND HOW ITS SUCCESS IS SUCCESSFUL IN THE GROWTH THAT THEY HAVE.I THINK EVEN ADDED TO, YOU KNOW, TO SANDY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, OUR MOTOR, OUR LOGOS COME GROW WITH US UNLESS THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
UM, I THINK THAT'S NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GROWING, YOU'RE RAISING A FAMILY, YOU'RE RAISING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STAYING HERE, THEY'RE RAISING THEIR GRANDCHILDREN BECAUSE WE'RE COMMUNITY THAT OFFERS, YOU KNOW, FULL SERVICES FOR WHATEVER YOU NEED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDING EMPLOYMENT.
HOW MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, HOW MANY OF OUR, UH, RESIDENTS LEAVE THE CITY EVERY DAY TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY TO WORK? I MEAN, I DO, UM, THAT'S SOME OF IT'S BY CHOICE OR SOME OF IT'S BY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF YOUR CONTROL.
I GET, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FAMILY FRIENDLY, UH, COMMUNITY WHERE FAMILIES CAN COME AND RAISE THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN AND FEEL SAFE AND SECURE AND IN A GOOD SCHOOL.
UM, JAN, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT'S THE ULTIMATE, UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DESCRIBE HUBER OF THE HUBER IN 20 YEARS? WELL, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH BECAUSE WE DO, WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT SERVICES ALL AGES.
AND LET ME TELL YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE BIKE PARK, THAT PLACE IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I CAN'T EVEN SAY, KIDS, IT'S PEOPLE, IT'S ADULTS AND LITTLE ONES, AND IT'S JUST AMAZING, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE WONDERFUL PARKS.
WE HAVE, UH, UH, PROGRAMS FOR ALL AGES, LOTS OF CHURCHES, UH, JERRY WE'RE WORKING ON THE TRAFFIC.
WOULD THERE BE HERE 20 YEARS? IT'S VERY, I JUST SAID SOMETHING LIKE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT CHERYL SAID, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GROWN UP HERE, I'VE LIVED HERE 95% OF MY LIFE IT'S ALWAYS HAD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN 20 YEARS.
YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE OCEAN.
WE DON'T HAVE SAYING 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
WE COULD,
AND THEN I THINK AS TIME GOES ON THAT WALL, EXPAND, WE HAVE, WE STILL, IN MY MIND HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO GROW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST STILL A LOT OF LAND AROUND TO BE DEVELOPED.
UM, THERE'S THERE'S ROOM TO MOVE NORTH.
IF, IF, UH, LEGAL MINDS WILL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL JUST A LOT OF THE EAST, A LOT OF COMMUNITY HERE THAT COULD BE BUILT ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT IT IS NOW.
AND ALONG THE SAME LINES, IT WAS WHEN I MOVED HERE AS A KID, CAN I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BELIEVE THE KEY TO ALL OF THAT IS CITY COUNCIL TAKING THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND FINDING A GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON THAT THAT'S ALL THEY DO.
I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR PARKS DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE RECREATIONAL.
I MEAN, WE HAVE SOCCER, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE UPCOMING, THIS COMING WEEKEND, THE WAY YOUR SOCCER TOURNAMENT, RIGHT? SO WE, THEY UTILIZE RIPRAP FOR THAT.
AND THAT BRINGS A LOT OF, A LOT OF FOLKS IN, BUT DO WE HOST SOFTBALL TOURNAMENTS? DO WE HOST, UM, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS, YOU KNOW, Y THINK ABOUT THIS.
I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL SOMEONE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION, THE SIZE OF HUBER HEIGHTS, WE DO NOT HAVE ONE BASEBALL OR SOFTBALL FIELD WITH LIGHTS.
UM, WE, AND OUR FILMS THAT WE DO IN THE FIELDS WE HAVE ARE NOT WELL CUPPED.
SO THIS WOULD HAVE THAT OUR PARKS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR PARKS WOULD CREATE A LOT OF FOLKS WANTING TO COME HERE.
YOU KNOW, THE YOUNGER GENERATION NOW, RAISING KIDS, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT NOW TAKING THEIR KIDS TO THE PARK AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I THINK WHAT THEY'VE DONE AT CLOUD PARK HAS BEEN A GREAT ADVANCEMENT.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY COULD IMPROVE, UM, DEFINITELY ON THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, DEFINITELY ON BASEBALL FIELDS.
AND THEY, I MEAN, THEY'VE, YOU GOT BALL TOURNAMENTS EVERYWHERE.
YOU GOT OTHER TEAMS WHO TRAVEL TO BRING THEM IN AND BRING THEIR FAMILIES IN, WHY ARE WE NOT MARKETING SOME OF THAT TO HELP BRING PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND BE RECOGNIZED THAT PARTLY THOUGH WOULD BE BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE FIELDS, THESE ORGANIZATIONS, AREN'T GOING TO COMMIT THEIR MONEY, RIGHT.
WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED
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FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS WHY IT'S, THAT'S WHY THE SOCCER.
SO, CAUSE THEY SUCK HER OWN PHONE.
AND SOCCER, YOU MOW, MOW, GRASS, BASEBALL FIELDS ARE NOT CHEAP TO BUILD AND ESPECIALLY TO PUT LIGHTS ON IT, THEN I GUESS AS FAR AS DOWN THE ROAD TO, AT WHAT POINT DO WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT LIKE FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE HIGH-SPEED INTERNET FOR WHETHER IT'S BUSINESSES OR FOR EVERYONE OR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN EVA USAGE.
UM, AND WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THE STATE ROUTE AND THEN THE LACK OF CONNECTIVITY BASED ON AN INCOME AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOME AREAS I'VE SEEN THEM DONE LIKE AN EVIE BUS, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THAT JUST WOULD CONNECT BASICALLY A 2 0 1, 2 0 2 LOOP TRANSPORTATION INSTEAD OF AN RTA.
ANY LAST THOUGHTS ON THIS? CAUSE I'M GETTING THE HOOK FROM A JERRY'S I, WE WANT TO BE HERE FOR YEAH.
THE, WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE WANT TO ANSWER? I GUESS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE ANSWERED AND IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DISCUSS IT WELL, AND THIS ISN'T JUST A ONE-TIME CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO SEE US ENFORCERS ZONING VIOLATIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY 10TH, 20, 22 MINUTES WILL BE UP FOR APPROVAL.
THEY ARE APPROVED, UH, REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
UM, SO AS FAR AS CALENDAR, UM, RIGHT NOW THE JUNE 14TH MEETING IS SHAPING UP TO BE, UH, A BIG ONE.
UM, ON THE, ON THE EASY STUFF, WE'LL HAVE A FINAL FLAT FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, CALLUM OR FARMS JUST SUBMITTED, UM, UH, ONE OF THEIR SECTIONS.
UM, WE, AND SO THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL HAS GIVEN, I GUESS, ME OR US, UH, IS THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, SO THIS IS THE MEDICAL FACILITY AT RURAL KING.
UM, THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR SITE PLAN AGAIN.
SO I THINK WE'RE AT SITE PLAN VERSION FOUR OR FIVE.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES NOW IS I THINK ADDRESS MOST OF THE ISSUES THEY HAVE, UM, HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A RURAL KING TO WHERE THEY HAVE ACCESS ALONG THE TAYLORSVILLE FRONTAGE.
SO ONE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF TAYLORSVILLE WILL BE THE EXISTING ENTRANCE OF RURAL KING.
UM, SO THAT, THAT THE ISSUE OF THOSE TWO CURB CUTS BEING TOO CLOSE BETWEEN THE BANK AND THEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED.
RURAL KING IS ALSO SELLING THEM SLIGHTLY MORE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THE SITE NOW IS LIKE 1.3 ACRES.
UM, BUT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AND, AND BLESS THIS FINAL IT'S CROSSED FINAL SITE PLAN VERSION.
UH, AND SO THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE ON THE JUNE 14TH, UM, CALENDAR.
UM, WE TABLED THE, UH, THE SHEETS, UM, PROJECT TO THE 14TH.
UH, AND THEN MARION MEADOWS IS, AS YOU HEARD TODAY, UM, THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTS INTO US FOR THAT MEETING AS WELL IN THE 14TH.
NO, I KEEP WAITING FOR THAT NICE RESTAURANT COME BEFORE US.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S UP THERE NORTH PARK SIGN.
THERE'S A, YEAH, THEY'RE ADDING, I CAN GET EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO, UH, THE TARGETS AND SUPPORT ROLES.
SO KOHL'S IS ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE COPY UNDER IT.
SO WOMEN KNOW WHO SUPPORT NOW, SPEAKING OF SIGNAGE, WHAT ABOUT THE SIGN? AND AT THERE THEY GOT THE HUBER CENTER SIGN HAS BEEN UP, BUT THERE'S NO NOTHING ON IT AND IT'S NOT, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT JUNE, THAT'LL BE TWO YEARS IN VIOLATION ON THE LANDSCAPING.
AND AS OF THE END OF LAST YEAR, IT WAS TO BE TOTALLY REPAVED THE ENTIRE LOT.
SO WE'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON BRINGING THAT BACK UP FOR YOU, BUT YEAH, SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ZONING AND THE SIGN COMPANY.
SO I ANTICIPATE SOMETHING HAPPENING THERE PRETTY QUICKLY.
THE LANDSCAPING WAS JUNE OF 20 20TH, KAYDEN IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPING.
I MEAN, I CAN TELL IT'S RIDICULOUS.
YOU HAVE THESE IN OUR BUILDING TO THE SITE.
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TIME.SO I DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE, THERE WILL BE, UM, A SIGN UPDATE COMING THROUGH.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT I SAW THE EMAIL TRAFFIC BETWEEN ZONING AND, AND THE, THE SIGN COMPANY.
AND THEN CAN WE REMIND THEM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEIR LOT DONE BY THE END OF THE LAST YEAR.
YEAH, I, IT STARTED, SO THAT'S THE, WELL, COULD WE OFFICIALLY ASK YOU TO REQUEST THAT I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ZONING TO SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THAT, BUT WE WON'T NEED THAT ON THE 14TH.
WE GOT ENOUGH, WAITED THIS LONG.
I JUST COME BACK AND FORWARD WITH IT BEFORE MY GOODNESS.
THEN YOU'LL BE NICE AND RESTED.
AND SO FAR, I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN ANYTHING COMING THROUGH FOR THE 28TH YET, BUT THERE WILL BE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION? NO, SIR.
AND WE ARE ADJOURNED CHEERING.