May 17, 2022 Council Work Session

UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, UH, MAY 3RD, I MAY HAVE A CORRECTIONAL ONE.

LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.

SO WE CAN APPROVE THEM NOW.

THEY CAN ALWAYS BE RE-INTRODUCED FOR AMENDMENT OF THAT WOULD BE WARRANTED.

IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT AND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE.

SO THOSE MINUTES AS OF CURRENTLY WILL STAND AS APPROVED NEXT UP IS THAT NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION, AND I'M 38

[ City Manager Report/Water Infrastructure Update]

RIGHT? THANK YOU, SIR.

COLDWELL ITEMS FOR COUNSEL'S ATTENTION, WITH RESPECT TO WATER, UH, THE ANNUAL WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY OUT FORBID.

THOSE BIDS WILL BE DUE IN, IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS.

AND COUNCIL WILL SEE THAT ON THE JUNE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL, A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS OUTSIDE OF A UTILITIES, A COMMUNITY PARK PLAYGROUND INSTALLATION BEGAN TODAY.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, ALSO SCHEDULED THE OFFICIAL OPENING OF THE MANITA BIKE PARK.

THERE SHOULD BE A FLYER IN COUNCIL'S MAILBOX.

THAT EVENT WILL BE JUNE 11TH FROM TWO TO SIX.

UH, AND, UH, WE ARE ALSO BEGINNING THE INSTALLATION OF, UH, THE CAMERA, THE SECURITY CAMERA, UH, OVER THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.

UH, WE'D RAN INTO SOME DELAYS WITH THE, UH, DECORATIVE POLE AND THE ELECTRICIAN.

UH, BUT WE ARE, UH, NOW BACK ON TRACK AND READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND THEN SPEAKING OF INSTALLATIONS, THE HEBREW HEIGHTS POLICE DEPART, UH, POLICE DIVISIONS, FLOCK PLATE READING CAMERAS ARE ALSO SCHEDULED FOR INSTALLATION AS WELL.

SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE GOING IN, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY STARTING NEXT WEEK.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR COUNCIL AND THIS COUNCIL HAS ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT LAST ONE? BRIAN SAID THAT THE POLICE.

SURE.

SO THE CITY IS LEASING.

THE POLICE DIVISION IS LEASING PLATE READING CAMERAS FROM FLOCK, AND THOSE ARE BEING INSTALLED.

AND THE QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, B DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS PROPERTY.

UM,

[ Disposal Of Surplus Property]

UH, YES, SIR.

UH, THIS IS A LIST OF VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING CURRENTLY BEING DISPOSED OF, UH, DUE TO OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE ENTERPRISE, UH, FLEET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

SO IF COUNCIL COULD, UH, UM, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, APPROVE THIS LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BEGIN TO TRANSITION OUR FLEET OF OLDER VEHICLES OUT TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE INCOMING VEHICLES AND DISCUSSION ON THAT.

UM, BRIAN, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, ARE WE ROLLING THOSE VEHICLES OVER TO OTHER AREAS THAT MAY NEED SOME UPDATED VEHICLES, LIKE IN THE PAST WITH LIKE SOME POLICE CARS AND WHATNOT FOR ZONING AND ONE? WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, ALL OF THE CITY'S VEHICLES WILL BE THE DAILY USE VEHICLES WILL BE TRANSITIONED OVER TO THE FLEET.

SO ALL OF THESE ARE BEING RELEASED FOR SALE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SURE.

AND THE QUESTIONS AND OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY.

NEXT IS I'M THREE C, WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION, JIMMY, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAVE THE, FOR YOU AS I DO ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR, UH, BRING TO SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO PASS ONTO THE COUNTY AND TONIGHT'S, UH, LIST.

[ County Assessments Authorization]

UH, ACTUALLY IT'S KIND OF A SHORT ONE.

UH IT'S FOR, UH, ANY TRASH LITTER, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND GRASS AND WEEDS ASSESSMENTS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT FOR.

AND I WOULD JUST, UH, THIS IS, UH, AN ORDINANCE, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT IT, UH, PASSES ON MONDAY, UH, CAN HAVE, UH, FIRST RATING OF SECOND READING IN JUNE AND IT'S STILL PLENTY OF TIME TO GET IT ON THE TAX BILLS FOR NEXT YEAR.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIP, ANY OBJECTIONS TO A FIRST READING ON MONDAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE EAST WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT AND SOLICITATION OF THOSE BIDS.

[ East Water Main Extension Project - Solicit Bids]

YEAH.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

UH, THIS LEGISLATION WILL ALLOW US TO GO OUT TO BID FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW 16 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, UH, STARTING JUST SOUTH OF BELLE PLAINE DRIVE, AND THEN HEADING NORTH

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CROSSING I TO AN EXISTING WATER TOWER LOCATED JUST PAST CENTER POINT 70 BOULEVARD.

A MAP OF THE WATER MAIN LOCATION IS IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, THIS WATER MAIN INSTALLATION PROVIDE A CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING WATER SYSTEM AT CENTER POINT 70 COMMERCIAL PARK.

UH, CURRENTLY THE CITY OWNS AND MAINTAINS THE WATER MAINS UP IN THAT AREA, UH, AND THE SANITARY SEWERS, UH, BUT THE SUPPLY OF WATER AND THE TREATMENT OF THE SANITARY SEWER IS BY CLARK COUNTY.

UH, SO THIS NEW CONNECTION AND THE UPCOMING SANITARY SEWER PROJECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING TO YOU SOON, UH, WILL, UH, THAT WILL BE A LONG ROUTE STATE, ROUTE FOUR.

THERE, UH, WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THE WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES AT CENTER POINT 70.

AND THIS WILL ALLOW FOR FUTURE EXTENSIONS OF WATER MAIN AND SEWERS FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY.

UH, THE PROJECT FOR THIS WATER MAIN EXTENSION IS ESTIMATED $2.2 MILLION WITH THE NOT TO EXCEED OF $2.4 MILLION.

AND IT WILL BE FUNDED BY A FEDERAL GRANT THROUGH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, WHICH IS ARPA-E.

UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

UH, WE'LL WE BRING IT BACK FOR AN AWARD AFTER WE, UH, BUILD A LITTLE BIT, I TRUST ANY QUESTIONS AT, UH, YES.

MA'AM UH, RUSS, HOW MUCH IS THE GRANT? UH, THE GRANT I BELIEVE IS FOOTFALL MODEL.

IS THAT CORRECT? EXCELLENT.

THEN I DON'T HAVE TO ASK HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE IN THE WATER FUND.

RIGHT, JIM.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY?

[ 2023-2027 Capital Improvement Plan]

UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT DISCUSSES HOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING THESE, WHICH WOULD BE BASICALLY RATIONALE FOR WHY WE PUT THE THINGS IN CERTAIN YEARS.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS THE 2023 THROUGH 2027 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

UH, I HAVE THAT TONIGHT ALSO.

IT'S TRUE.

UM, THE, UM, CITY CHARTER CALLS FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW THE, UH, FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

THIS IS JUST FOR CAPITAL ITEMS. UH, THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT.

IT HAS, UH, UH, THERE'S NO AUTHORIZATION OF EXPENDITURES.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE WAS, UH, REACHED OUT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, ASKED THEM, AND DURING APRIL TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR, UM, 20, 23 TO 2027 CAPITAL ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD, UM, UH, THAT THEY SEE THE NEED FOR.

AND, UH, WE, OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN UPDATING THIS EVERY YEAR, SO, UM, THEY TWEAK IT EACH YEAR AND THEN ADD ON, UH, THE ADDITIONAL YEAR THAT GOES FIVE YEARS OUT.

AND THIS HELPS US, UH, AS A RESOURCE AS WE BUILD THE 20, 23 BUDGET LATER THIS YEAR.

AND WE'LL BE GETTING INTO THAT, UH, IN THE JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.

UH, I WILL BE BRINGING THE NEXT STEP TO THIS, UM, UM, IN JUNE WE'LL BE BRINGING THE TAX BUDGET, WHICH I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UH, THAT ALSO IS A, UM, A DOCUMENT THAT IS JUST REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY, BUT I'LL, UH, I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN JUNE.

UM, JUST, UH, THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS IN THIS YEAR'S, UH, DOCUMENT IS, UH, FOR 20, 23 IS GOING TO BE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.

UH, THERE'S $10 MILLION IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

AND THAT'LL BE COVERED BY A NOTE UNTIL WE DETERMINE HOW BEST TO, UH, FINANCE THAT.

UH, BUT THAT WILL BE COVERED BY A NOTE NEXT YEAR.

AND, UH, THE OTHER, UM, UH, SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT, UH, IS NEW AS BRIAN HAS TALKED ABOUT ALREADY AT THIS MEETING, UH, ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT, UM, WHAT WE'VE, UH, SINCE BRIAN CAME ON BOARD, HE REALLY WANTED TO, UM, MAKE SPENDING MORE CONSISTENT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR VEHICLE PROGRAM.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, LEASES IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR LIKE POLICE VEHICLES, UH, VEHICLES AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

UH, SOME BAGELS ARE NOT ABLE TO BE PUT ON THE LEASE PROGRAM, BUT, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE WORD LEASE NEXT TO THE DESCRIPTION AND SHOWING US, UH, THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT OVER ALL YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S, WHAT'S, UH, ONCE WE'RE INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

OUR AVERAGE COST EACH, UH, WE GET BILLED MONTHLY FOR THAT, BUT, UH, THAT WILL, UM, MAKE OUR, UM, DOLLARS THAT WE SPEND ON THE VEHICLES.

UM, MORE CONSISTENT.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, UM, UH, USUALLY BRING IT TO YOU, UM, AT THIS MEETING.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY, UH, REQUESTS BY COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR TO ADD ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL CAPITAL ITEMS TO THIS PLAN, UH, I COULD, UH, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER, UH, DISCUSSION OF IT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN IT JUST NEEDS TO BE, IT'S A, UM, RESOLUTION WITH, SO IT JUST NEEDS ONE READING, UH, POSSIBLY AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE OF COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, JIM.

YES, NANCY.

UH, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR BRIAN OR FOR YOU, UM, ON THE FIRST PAGE, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE OVERALL GOALS OF THE SIP.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS TO OUTLINE THE PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING PRIORITIES AND IMPLEMENTATION.

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UM, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE HOW WE USE THE BUDGET OR THE CIP TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS, IS THERE PLACEMENT WITHIN THE BUDGET, IF YOU'LL RECALL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS LOCATED IN THE 2023, UH, COLUMN IS THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.

THAT'S A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY BY COUNCIL, BUT WAS NOT INCLUDED TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE IN PREVIOUS CIP BUDGETS.

SO TO DEMONSTRATE THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO THAT PROJECT AND TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PROJECT AS A PRIORITY, WE FUNDED IT IN 2023.

UM, THE, UM, SENIOR CENTER IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.

THAT WAS NOT A PROJECT THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY APPEARED IN ANY CIPS, UH, THAT I'M AWARE OF, UH, IN RECENT HISTORY, BUT, UH, WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR FUNDS IN 2024, UH, FOR THAT AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, STATION 23.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE DEMONSTRATE THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT, WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE.

AND I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL.

I MEAN, I'M, I REALIZE WHAT WASN'T IN THERE BEFORE, BUT BY LAYING THEM OUT YEAR BY YEAR, YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

UH, THE SIP SAYS THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT'S FOLLOWED.

SO THAT PROCESS IS REALLY NOT DEFINED IN THIS DOCUMENT.

AND I'M JUST RAISING THAT ISSUE, THAT THERE ARE THREE GOALS AND ONE OF THEM ISN'T REALLY A DRESS.

THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE, I WAS HOPING THAT BRANDON WOULD BE HERE BECAUSE I HAVE, UM, SEVERAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO, UM, HARDWARE THAT, UM, WHAT I CAN DO IS SEND HIM, SEND HIM A NOTE THROUGH YOU AND I CAN COPY COUNSEL ON IT SO THAT WHEN THE RESPONSE COMES BACK, UM, WE WILL HAVE COMPLETE INFORMATION IF WE CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD WITH IT ON MONDAY OR MOVE IT TO ANOTHER READING OR WHATEVER ELSE.

UM, BECAUSE I, IT'S VERY, IT'S PROBABLY MORE TECHNICAL THAN THEN YOU GET INTO.

UM, AND, UM, UNDER ENGINEERING, UM, I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK UNDER STATE ROUTE 2 0 1, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR MOVING THAT IN, UM, IN 2025, SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, IT'S KIND OF PUT IN THERE, IT'S NOT A DEFINITE PROJECT AT THIS POINT, PUT IT IN THERE.

CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE ADDITIONAL ANNEXATION UP THERE THAT AT SOME POINT IT MAY BE MORE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT CURRENTLY.

IT'S NOT IN THE CITY SET IT THAT, UH, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY WON'T DO ANYTHING THERE UNLESS IT GETS PUT IN THE CITY.

SO THIS ISN'T TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD HAD UP THERE.

WELL, I THINK IT MAY, WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT HAPPENS UP THERE, IT WILL CREATE MORE TRAFFIC UP THERE AND IT MAY MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S WARRANTED BY ODOD TO PUT SOMETHING IN, BUT IT STILL WILL BE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO WITH IT.

I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE ANNEXATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SO I PUT IT IN THERE AND A FEW YEARS OUT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WANTED SOME MONEY IN THERE IN CASE IT HAPPENED, BUT YET IT'S A FEW YEARS OUT WHERE IT MADE IT MAY NEVER HAVE.

I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, WHEN YOU'VE GIVEN US A FIVE-YEAR PROJECTION.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS TO CHAMBERSBURG WEST WIDENING.

WE'RE DOING A TON OF BUILDING UP THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT AFTER ALL THE CONSTRUCTION'S DONE.

YEAH.

THE FUNDING FOR THAT IS THROUGH THE STP PROGRAM, WHICH WE DID GET, UH, WE PUT AN APPLICATION LAST YEAR.

AGAIN, DID GET THE FUNDING FOR ABOUT HALF THE COST, BUT IT'S A FIVE-YEAR PROCESS.

IF WE GET INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS, UM, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD MOVE THAT TO EARLIER TO AN EARLIER YEAR? YEAH.

THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PROJECT TO TRY FOR, IF WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE FUNDING THAT'S COMING UP THERE IS A FUNDING AVAILABLE SOMETIME SOON UP HERE.

UM, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PROJECT TO PUT IT TOWARDS IT'S EITHER THAT OR THE FINISHED TO CHAMBERSBURG, UH, GOING EAST.

THANK YOU, MAYOR JIM.

UM,

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WHY DOES 2027, UM, SEEM TO FALL OFF SO MUCH FOR THE DEPARTMENTS? I WOULD SAY, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, I'M THINKING FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW.

I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT 20 23, 24, 25, THOSE ARE VERY SOLID PROJECTS.

THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL AS A PROJECT TO, UM, TO FUND IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, AS YOU GET OUT TO 26, 27, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO ESTIMATE.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT MAY BE, THEY LOOKED AT TO MAYBE PUT THEM IN 25 OR 26 AND DECIDED, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE PRIORITIZATION COMES IN.

THAT I THINK NANCY MENTIONED.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT WELL, THIS PROJECT IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO COME IN SOONER THAN THIS OTHER PROJECT.

AND SO I THINK IT GETS A LITTLE THIN WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE IN THE FIFTH FIVE-YEAR, AS, AS YOU GET IN CLOSER, THAT'S A MORE REALISTIC NUMBER FOR, UM, FOR THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY SPENT ABOUT THREE WEEKS, UH, ON, UH, COMING UP WITH THIS, UH, LIST.

AND IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLY TAKING LAST YEAR'S AND ADDING ONE, UM, FIVE-YEAR OUT.

I THINK THEY REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW RUSS IS HERE.

HE COULD COMMENT ON, ON WHAT PROCESS HE GOES THROUGH, BUT THEY ACTUALLY TAKE THEIR TIME TO, UM, HONE IN AND DETERMINE, WELL, LAST YEAR WHEN THEY DID 22 TO 26, UM, WHAT THEY HAD IN 23, IS THAT GOING TO BE GOOD THIS YEAR? OR ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THAT OUT TO 24? SO THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF SHUFFLING, A LOT OF BREAD DISTRIBUTION, UH, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS.

I CAN REMEMBER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

SO I THINK AS WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS FOR THE, FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADD, THEN, UM, JUST BE PREPARED TO KIND OF DISCUSS THAT AND TALK ABOUT THE LINE ITEM AND WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

IF YOU THINK THAT SOMETHING IS MISSING OR SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDED EARLIER IN THE PROCESS OR EARLIER IN THE PLAN, THEN JUST LEAVE OUR ATTENTION AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

WE DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE, UM, TO, UH, READING AFTER THAT, ONCE EVERYBODY'S HAD A TIME TO REVIEW IT AND LOOK AT IT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE THE TAX BUDGETS APPROVED.

SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE IT ON THE SAME AGENDA AND JUST ONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER.

BUT I THINK THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE FOLLOWED IN THE PAST WAS GIVING EVERYBODY TIME TO GO THROUGH IT AND LOOK AT IT.

SO THEN WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

YES, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE SAY BY JULY 1ST, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THE DATE? WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FOR? WELL, THE TAX BUDGET NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY JULY 15TH.

I BELIEVE IT IS.

AND SO I USUALLY BRING IT TO COUNCIL IN JUNE, JUST IN CASE, NOT A QUORUM IN JULY.

I'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE AHEAD OF TIME.

SO THE, THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED, UM, AT LEAST ON THE SAME AGENDA PRIOR TO THE TAX BUDGET BEING APPROVED.

THANK YOU FOR THE DEADLINES.

SO THIS WOULD HAVE A READING AT THE, UH, JUNE 13TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

YES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

MA'AM ANY QUESTIONS AND MORE CLARIFICATION.

IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE ENERGY AGGREGATION PRESENTATION.

[ Energy Aggregation Presentation]

UH, YEAH, I CAN START TONIGHT.

WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM.

UH, THE LAST TIME THE PROGRAM WAS DISCUSSED WAS AT THE END OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE DECIDED TO HALT THE PROGRAM TEMPORARILY, UM, MR. RICH CEREUS IS FROM ENERGY ALLIANCES HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE PROGRAM AND THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY, UH, ENERGY ALLIANCE HAS BEEN, UH, THE CITY'S CONSULTANT FOR THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

THANK YOU, MS. BOURBON.

THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR HAVING ME BACK.

UM, SO AS I SAID, WHEN I WAS HERE, I BELIEVE, UH, EARLY IN OCTOBER IS THAT I WOULD COME BACK AGAIN IN THE SPRING.

ONCE WE HAD KIND OF A LINE OF SIGHT ON WHAT THE RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN KIND OF DISCUSS SOME OPTIONS THERE.

UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SURPRISE TO ANY OF US IF YOU'VE OPENED UP A PAPER HERE RECENTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ENERGY RATES ARE HIGHER AND THERE'S GONNA BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT JUMP HERE IN THE S UH, SERVICE TERRITORY STARTING IN JUNE.

UM, SO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE MARKET HAS MOVED.

UM, SINCE I WAS HERE IN OCTOBER, UM, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND THEN MAYBE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER, UM, FOR EITHER STARTING UP A PROGRAM OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHETHER THAT BE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.

UH, AGAIN, ON TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES WE SAW THIS, THIS PAST REALLY SIX MONTHS, THEY'VE BEEN HERE ON HOW FAST THE MARKET HAD MOVED.

SO THIS CHART, IT'S A, IT'S A ROLLING 12 MONTH, UM, OF THE NATURAL GAS MARKET.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POWER, THEY'RE VERY MUCH INTERTWINED.

UM, SO MUCH OF WHAT IS GENERATED NOW IS THROUGH NATURAL GAS.

SO THAT SORT OF SETS THE LIMIT.

UM, SO AGAIN, NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE OVERALL DIRECTION ON, ON HOW THIS MARKET HAS MOVED ALONG.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE FIRST TWO LINES.

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SO I WAS HERE IN SEPTEMBER WHEN I FIRST, UM, BROUGHT UP AGGREGATION AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO, UH, IN DECEMBER WHEN THE PROGRAM ENDED, CAME BACK AGAIN, UH, IN THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER AND BASED ON THE QUOTES THAT WE WERE SEEING AT THAT TIME, I HAD MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT WE WOULD PAUSE THE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE WERE SEEING RATES, UH, I THINK FOR 12 BUCKS WAS THERE ABOUT FIVE, FIVE DOWN TO ABOUT FIVE ONE FOR THE 36 MONTHS.

AND WE KNEW THAT THE D P AND L OR SORRY, AES RATES, UH, THROUGH THAT WINTER, WE'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE AND FOR THE ALL ELECTRIC HOMES AROUND 4.1, THEN FOR THE NON ALL ELECTRIC HOMES, 4.8.

SO WE SAID AT THAT TIME THOUGH, OBVIOUSLY IN HINDSIGHT, THAT PRICE LOOKS GREAT, BUT AT THAT TIME IT SAID, WELL, WHY WOULD WE LOCK INTO SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, TO FORCE PEOPLE TO PAY A HIGHER RATE THAN, UM, THE UTILITY RATE, AT LEAST FOR THOSE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

AND WE HAD NO CLUE WHAT A YES PRICE IS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS YEAR AND BEYOND.

BUT THEN AS WE GOT INTO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE START OF THIS YEAR, UH, THE MARKET RAMPED UP PRETTY QUICKLY.

UM, A LOT OF THAT WAS FROM, UH, INITIALLY THAT SEVERE COLD THAT WE HAD DOWN SOUTH, UH, IN TEXAS, I THINK A LOT OF US HAD HEARD KIND OF ABOUT THAT CRISIS THAT WAS THERE.

SO THAT STARTED TO BRING PRICES UP AND THEY SLOWLY STARTED TO TICK HIGHER AS LAST YEAR WENT ON.

AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE GOT INTO THE FIRST HALF OF THIS YEAR, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED, UH, IN WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER IN EUROPE, THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS PUT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO PUT UPWARD PRESSURE ON PRICES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE STEADILY CLIMBED SINCE THE SECOND HALF OF LAST YEAR AND REALLY HAVE, UH, HAVE NOT COME BACK AT ALL.

UH, TWO OTHER THINGS TO POINT OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE SPOKE ABOUT, UH, HISTORICALLY AES HAS SET THEIR PRICES BASED ON ONE AUCTION, UH, WHEN THAT AUCTION WAS, WAS RUN, UH, IN, IN MARCH THOUGH, THEY TYPICALLY GET A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEY WERE ONLY ABLE TO GET 50%, I THINK BECAUSE OF, AS WE SEE KIND OF HOW THAT MARKET RAN UP SO QUICKLY, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PROCURE IT ALL.

SO THEY CAME BACK AGAIN AND THEN RAN THEIR SECOND AUCTION FOR THE OTHER 50% AND IN THE SECOND HALF OF APRIL.

SO THOUGH I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO COME HERE, UH, SOONER.

WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, UH, WHEN AES FINALLY AGAIN, FINALIZE OUR AUCTIONS AND THEN, AND, UH, SUBMITTED THEIR RATES TO THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION ON WHAT THERE'LL BE FOR, FOR JUNE MOVING FORWARD.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT A SURPRISE THAT THAT RATES ARE HIGHER.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE RATE FOR THE NON ALL ELECTRIC HOME IN AES IS GONNA GO UP TO ABOUT 10.90 CENTS STARTING IN JUNE.

AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT ARE ALL ELECTRIC HOMES THERE, THEIR PRICE FOR THE WINTER MONTHS, UH, WILL BE ABOUT 9.20 CENTS.

UH, SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

AND THEN HOW DO THOSE COMPARE TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW? AND, WELL, THESE ARE THE TOP FIVE, WE'LL CALL THEM CHEAPEST PRICES THAT THE MARKET IS SHOWING FOR AT LEAST 12 MONTHS OR LONGER, NO TERMINATION FEES, UH, AND NO OTHER FEES ON US.

SO SORT OF TRYING TO GIVE IT AN APPLES TO APPLES ON WHAT AN AGGREGATION WOULD DO AGAIN WITH NO OTHER FEES THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING THE CHEAPEST PRICE RIGHT NOW.

UM, THAT'S LISTED ON THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION, JUST SHY OF 9 CENTS, AND THEN QUICKLY, UH, GOES RIGHT THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEING HIGHER THAN WHERE THE, UH, AES PRICES ARE.

SO, YOU KNOW, W SO WHAT DO WE DO, YOU KNOW, W WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE AGGREGATION, WHETHER NOW, OR WHETHER IT BE LATER, WE OBVIOUSLY IN THE PAST HAVE TRIED TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, SAVINGS AND THEN THE PROGRAM HAS PERFORMED FAIRLY WELL FOR THOSE, NOT ALL ELECTRIC HOMES, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY, THE ALL ELECTRIC HOMES WORK WE'RE ABOUT FLAT OVER THE FOUR YEARS OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, WELL, FIRST THERE WERE THREE AND THEN IN A SINGLE YEAR, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AGGREGATION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY TO GO FROM JUST SHY OF 5 CENTS TO CLOSE TO 11 CENTS, THAT'S A BIG JUMP, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG HIT TO, TO RESIDENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IN HIS COUNTRY, THE AVERAGE TRYING TO COME UP WITH THOSE FEW EXTRA DOLLARS, AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, 40 OR 50 BUCKS A MONTH, AND THEY'LL COVER THEIR AES BILLS IS, IS TOUGH TO DO.

SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE LOOK AT RESTARTING THE PROGRAM THOUGH, THE RATES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FANTASTIC, BUT DID WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHERE, UH, AES IS RIGHT NOW, JUST TO TRY TO SOFTEN THE BLOW SOMEWHAT, RIGHT.

INSTEAD OF TAKING THEM FROM FIVE TO 11, CAN WE FIND THEM SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE, UH, TO, AGAIN, TO SOFTEN THAT UP, THE ONLY WAY I THINK WE COULD DO THAT IS BY TAKING THIS OUT A YEAR OR TWO, UM, WELL, REALLY, I GUESS IT WOULD BE TWO TO THREE YEARS.

SO WE DO IT AGAIN AND RUN THAT RISK OF, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS PROGRAM LOOK LIKE AND HOW DOES IT COMPETE AGAINST SAY YES, IN YEARS TWO OR THREE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S BECOMES A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SOFTEN THE PRICES NOW, BUT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN ADSL RUNS THEIR AUCTION? UH, NEXT FALL, I GUESS IT WAS OUR NEXT WINTER, UH, THEY SET THEIR RATES.

UH, BUT I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT KIND OF CHANGES, CHANGES THE THINKING, BECAUSE WE JUST, WE'D NEVER SEEN THESE SORT OF JUMPS BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE SORT OF SEE THINGS JUMP, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE BUCKS, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM YEAR TO YEAR, WHETHER IT BE HIGHER OR LOWER.

AND OBVIOUSLY IN ONE SHOT, WE TOOK THE CUSTOMER FROM 5 CENTS TO TWO 11 CENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AGGREGATION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO TRY TO POTENTIALLY BE A VEHICLE TO SOFTEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HIGHS, WHETHER IT BE THE HIGHS OR LOWS, UH, FOR THE CUSTOMERS.

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UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THAT, SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I'VE THROWN OUT THERE TOO, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, NOTHING GETS VOTED ON TODAY, BUT AS YOU SAW FROM THE MOVEMENT IN, IN PREVIOUS WEEKS MOVES A LOT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE, TO TIME THIS AROUND A MEETING IS IT'S A CHALLENGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF MY RECOMMENDATION, UH, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS, DO WE SET AN ADMIRABLE LOW, RIGHT.

TO SAY, HEY, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A PRICE THAT'S WORTH MOVING ON? RIGHT.

AND OBVIOUSLY AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WHO, YOU KNOW, BUT HAVING TO AGREE TO IT, TO SETTING THAT SORT OF AT PRICE, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL SEE IF I CAN GO OUT AND GET IT.

AND THEN IF I CAN, THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND, AND TRY TO EXECUTE SOMETHING.

AND IF NOT, OBVIOUSLY WE STAY WITH DEFAULT RATES, BUT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS OUTER BELOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT USE THAT STRATEGY.

IT TAKES THE TIMING OUT OF TRYING TO GET IT ON A SPECIFIC DAY OF, OF A MEETING, UH, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, GIVING MORE FLEXIBILITY TO WATCHING THE MARKET KIND OF INTRO MEETINGS AND THEN BEING ABLE TO ACT AND, AND GIVING THE CITY MANAGER A CHANCE TO EXECUTE AGAIN WHEN THE MARKET ALLOWS AND NOT ON A, ON A PARTICULAR DAY, BUT THE SORT OF PUT THAT ALL AGAIN, THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PRICE THAT COMPARE REALLY FOR, UM, SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR UNTIL TILL MAY OF NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT, AND I SAY SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF, OF GETTING THE AGGREGATION UP AND RUNNING.

I THINK THE EARLIEST WE COULD DO THAT WOULD BE AUGUST.

SO THAT WAS, SO SEPTEMBER WOULD BE THAT FIRST BILL, SO THAT THE KIND OF SHOW, BUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE AVERAGE BILL LOOK LIKE FROM SEPTEMBER TO MAY, AGAIN, THE NOT ALL ELECTRIC HOMES THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT 10.90 CENTS.

THERE'S NO BREAK DURING THE WINTER, WITHIN THE AVERAGE, ALL ELECTRIC HOME, WHICH MAKES UP ABOUT ROUGHLY 25% OF THE HOMES HERE IN THE CITY THERE'S WILL BE ABOUT 9.5 BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A FEW MONTHS OF THAT 10.9, AND THEN THEY DO DROP DOWN TO 9.2 FOR THE WINTER.

SO AGAIN, THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE GETS TO BE ABOUT 9.5.

SO THOSE THAT ARE BELOW IS JUST, AGAIN, ONE OF THE, SORT OF GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHAT OUR NUMBERS TO BEAT, TO TRY TO DO ANYTHING, UH, TO HELP THE RESIDENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SET A LOT, BUT AGAIN, FINAL THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, MARKET VOLATILITY, RIGHT? WE'RE SEEING SIGNIFICANT INCREASES, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHAT HAPPENS DO WE USE THE AGGREGATION, YOU HAVE TO TRY TO MAYBE SOFTEN THOSE, UH, THOSE, THOSE IMPACTS AND, OR GIVE AT LEAST PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, STABILITY OVER A, OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS.

UH, THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS JUST CONSERVATION ITSELF, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY THE, THE PART THAT GOES INTO COMING UP WITH A NUMBER IS A KWH TIMES OR RATE, WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY WAY TO LOWER YOUR KWH, WHETHER IT BE TURNING OFF LIGHTS, WHETHER IT BE PUTTING YOUR THERMOSTAT, YOU KNOW, HIGHER OR LOWER, DEPENDING ON THE SEASON, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT HAS AN IMPACT THERE TOO.

SO I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, TO, TO THINK ABOUT CONSERVING WHERE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN'T DO IT WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE RATES THEY ARE NOW, AND EVEN WE CAN, WE CAN DO SOMETHING.

IS THAT, AND IT'S SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, AGAIN, IS, IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS NATURAL GAS.

THE CITY IS CERTIFIED AS A, A, UH, ELECTRIC AGGREGATOR, BUT IS NOT CERTIFIED AS A GAS AGGREGATOR.

UM, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING IT UP.

NOW.

I KNOW THINGS HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, SET UP FOR THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER BY THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER.

SO AGAIN, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING JUST LIKE WE PAUSE THE ELECTRIC PROGRAM, BUT IN THESE VOLATILE TIMES AT AT LEAST, UH, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER IT IF YOU CAN.

I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, SOME NEIGHBORING CITIES, UM, THAT ARE CERTIFIED TO DO GAS.

THEY NEVER HAVE BEFORE.

AND THEY'RE CONSIDERING IT FOR THIS NEXT WINTER AGAIN, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, WHERE THEY CAN, UM, AS ALWAYS, I'VE SAID A LOT, I WILL STOP TAKE A BREATH AND, UH, ALLOW FOR QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UM, IF, UM, THE, THE RATES, THE AGGREGATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS JUST A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY, IS IT NOT? UH, SO THE, THE ONE THAT EXPIRED IN DECEMBER HAD HAD NO ADDITIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY PUT ONTO IT.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT, WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, AND IF WE WENT FOR THAT, THE RIGHT WOULD BE HIGH, IT WOULD BE HIGHER.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE MARKET NOW THAT, UH, ARE STILL KIND OF COMING AROUND, BUT YES, THERE, THERE WOULD BE A PREMIUM, UH, FOR THAT.

AND RIGHT NOW I'D SAY THE AVERAGE THAT WE'RE SEEING ON A LOT OF THE STUFF WOULD BE ABOUT 0.4 TO 0.60 CENTS.

UM, ADDITIONAL ON THAT.

AT LEAST PRIOR TO THE, TO THE HIKE, BUT THERE, BUT THEN DATE, IT WAS SO PACKED AND, UM, AND THEY GOT 7.4, FIVE SEVEN, AND PROBABLY COULD HAVE GOTTEN A CHEAPER RATE IF THEY HAD ACTED A LITTLE FASTER.

AND, AND I WAS, UM, READING THAT, UH, THE TROY JUST WENT WITH ENERGY HARBOR.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY JUST WENT, BUT THEIR RATE ISN'T EFFECTIVE THROUGH APRIL OF 23.

AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET 4.49, UM, KAY.

UM, KWH.

UM, I THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY LOCKED IT IN JUST

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SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US, UM, WHAT THE BENEFIT OF GOING WITH, WITH YOU VERSUS GOING WITH SOPAC? UH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO IN THE CASE OF BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S IT'S TIMING, RIGHT.

SO I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO LOCK IN, UH, SOMETIME BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THINGS REALLY KIND OF GET OUT OF HAND.

UM, AND ENERGY HARBOR IS SOMEBODY WHO BID, UH, ON, ON THIS PROGRAM.

SO THEY WERE IN THE MIX OF, I GUESS, WE'LL SAY, STOLEN THE NEXT CAUSE WE DIDN'T PICK A SUPPLIER.

UH, BUT THEY WERE PART OF THAT.

UM, AS PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SOPAC, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR CONSULTANT JUST LIKE US, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, THEY THEY'VE DEFINITELY PUT THEIR FOCUS MORE TOWARDS, UH, SUSTAINABILITY.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A SIMILAR COMPANY TO WHAT WE ARE.

AND I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY UP TO THIS POINT, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THEM, RIGHT, YOU'RE FREE TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO YOUR DEAL, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.

IF YOU FEEL THAT WE'VE NOT PROVIDED THE SERVICE TO THE CITY, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS EXPECTED, BUT WE'VE OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, BEEN TRANSPARENT FROM THE BEGINNING.

WHEN I CAME OUT HERE IN OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH TO SAY, HEY, UH, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES FROM NOW ON BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, IT WAS TIMING, RIGHT.

JUST NO DIFFERENT THAN, UH, AES WHEN THEY SET THEIR RATES THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS, AND THEN HOW IT HURT THEM THIS TIME, UM, WHEN THEIR TIMING WAS SET, UH, ON WHAT THAT WAS.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE PRICES ARE WHERE THEY ARE AND IT WAS JUST WHEN, UH, WHEN PEOPLE CAN GET AHEAD OF IT.

UNDERSTOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, WANT TO KIND OF GO BACK TO, UM, UH, A STATEMENT YOU HAD MADE, UM, REGARDING, UM, THE, UH, UH, AES AND DISCOUNTING OF ALL ELECTRIC HOMES.

YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT.

UM, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS MY BELIEF IN HAVING SOME, UH, SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN MY RESEARCH THAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE PAYING THE SAME PRICE.

UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? SO THEY, SO THEY DO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TIERS.

SO EVERYBODY FOR THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, I THINK OCTOBER, EVERYBODY PAYS THAT 10.90 CENTS FOR THE OTHER MONTHS.

SO NOVEMBER THROUGH MAY, ALL ELECTRIC HOMES DO PAY A DIFFERENT RATE.

SO THAT, THAT IS IN THE TARIFF.

I BELIEVE THAT IS 9.2 RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL BE STARTING IN JUNE FOR THAT.

SO ALL ELECTRIC HOMES DO PAY A DIFFERENT RATE DURING THE WINTER MONTHS AS DEFINED BY AES.

PERFECT.

UM, MY, UH, ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS IS AS DURING THE, UM, AND I GUESS I'M LOOKING TO YOU, I KNOW COUNCILMAN BERGE PUT UP SOME NUMBERS, UM, IN THE PAST 30 DAYS, WHAT HAS BEEN THE LOWEST RATE THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOCK IN FOR A COMMUNITY? UM, WE'VE NOT LOCKED IN ANY, I MEAN, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF, REALLY SINCE THE FALL.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAD SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE SEND PEOPLE BACK, UH, THE RATES WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE NOT GREAT, RIGHT? SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE NOT LOCKED IN ANY COMMUNITIES HERE IN THE LAST 30 DAYS.

ACTUALLY, I'VE NOT LOCKED IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, IF ANYTHING, WE'VE SENT MONEY, IF ANYTHING, WE'VE ACTUALLY SENT PEOPLE BACK TO THE UTILITIES.

THANK YOU, UM, MAYOR, IF I MAY CONTINUE.

IT DOES STATE THAT, UH, IF EITHER PARTY DECIDES TO TERMINATE ONE PART, HE DOESN'T, THERE HAS TO BE A WRITTEN NOTICE TO DO SO.

UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR MR. MCDONALD, UH, MR. MCDONALD IN THE ORIGINAL AGGREGATION AGREEMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL REVIEWED AND PASSED, I BELIEVE BACK IN 2017 UNDER, UM, ARTICLE TWO, UH, TERM AND TERMINATION.

UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED HERE TODAY THAT WE PAUSED THE PROGRAM.

UM, IT WAS IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE TERMINATED THE PROGRAM, UM, BECAUSE OF BOTH PARTIES SEEING A FIT TO TERMINATE THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF PRICING, IF THAT IS THE CASE, DOES THAT MEAN AT THIS TIME? UM, OUR AGREEMENT WITH ENERGY ALLIANCES FROM 2017 IS NO LONGER VOTING OR IS NO LONGER VALID.

I'M SORRY.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE TWO OF THE AGREEMENT, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T RECALL THE WHOLE PAUSE AND TERMINATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DO VAGUELY RECALL THAT THE AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH THEM AS A, YOU CAN GET OUT IN ANY TIME WITH CLAWS.

I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THE TIME PERIOD OF THAT.

THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS THAT EITHER PARTY CAN TERMINATE OR IF I REMEMBER, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS SECTION 2.3 FROM MY RESEARCH, UM, AS STATES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE, UM, THEN IT TERMINATES AT THAT TIME WITHOUT WRITTEN CAUSE, UM, BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THAT IN 2.4,

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UM, MERIT WOULD BE MY REQUEST TO HAVE THE LAW DIRECTOR REVIEW THAT.

UM, IF NOT, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN GOING OUT TO BID TO SEE WHAT OTHER, UM, AGGREGATORS, UH, UM, ARE AVAILABLE TO US AS COUNCIL ON BIRCHWOOD, BRING UP SEVERAL OTHERS TO SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

UH, I KNOW IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH AND VERY UNFORTUNATE TIME BECAUSE MANY RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE ALREADY SWITCHED AND DONE A LOT OF THEIR OWN RESEARCH.

UM, SO ANYTHING THAT THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS COUNCIL DOES, UM, COULD HAVE A HUGE DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, UH, WITH EARLY TERMINATION FEES AND OTHER THINGS MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.

HOWEVER, I THINK DOING OUR RESEARCH IS IMPORTANT.

UM, I THINK STEP ONE, IN MY OPINION WOULD HAVE IN THE LAW DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH AT STEP TWO WOULD BE GOING OUT TO BID, UM, AND GOING THROUGH THE PROPER STEPS SINCE IN MY OPINION, ACCORDING TO ARTICLE TWO OF THE 2017 AGREEMENT, UM, OUR AGREEMENT IS NOW TERMINATED.

SO THE, YOU SAID THERE WAS ONLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE AUCTION.

THEY HAD ONE AUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE, RIGHT? THEY DID TOO.

SO THEY GOT 50% WITH THE FIRST ONE 50 WITH THE SECOND.

SO, AND YOU HAD SAID THAT IT WAS, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW DOES SOME OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES HAVE SOME OF THESE RATES ARE LOWER TO REALLY KNOW WHAT THE AGGREGATE RATE COULD BE UNTIL THE LAST AUCTION JUST HAPPENED? LIKE, AS YOU SAID, JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

SO WAS IT JUST KIND OF THROWING DARTS AT THE DARTBOARD OR NOT REAL SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON OR WHERE THE GAMBLING, I MEAN, I GUESS, I MEAN, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET A SMALL, HOW SOMEBODY IS AT A LOWER RATE AT SEVEN, 7 CENTS.

IF WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE AUCTION AGRIC WAS GOING TO BE UNTIL TWO WEEKS AGO.

WELL, THAT'S, AGAIN, SOME OF THAT'S TIMING, RIGHT? DID THEY DO IT EARLIER ON? RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN JUST BEFORE.

SO ANYTIME BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT.

THEY COULD HAVE HAD DEAL SET IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S AT SOME POINT MUCH FURTHER FOR AMONGST, EXCUSE ME FOR, UH, FOR A LATER START, YOU KNOW, THAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I AM PRETTY CERTAIN THAT IT HAPPENED PRIOR TO SIX MONTHS AGO THAT THAT THINGS WERE, WERE LOCKED IN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE SEE FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE PUCO APPLES TO APPLES, RIGHT.

THAT THAT'S SORT OF THE GOING RATE RIGHT NOW OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.

WELL, I WOULD AGREE.

WE GOT TO, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT ARE, WHETHER IT'S PAUSED, WHETHER IT'S TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED, WHATEVER, WHATEVER LANGUAGE THAT'S THAT'S IN THAT I THINK WE NEED JURY TO TELL US WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT CONTRACT IS, UM, BEFORE ANY TYPE OF DECISION IS MADE.

UM, I MEAN, ON ANYTHING I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO KNOW, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT SENDS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.

UM, AND I REMEMBER THE TERM BEING USED AS PAUSE, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAS A DIFFERENT MEANING FROM THE CONTRACTUAL LANGUAGE VERSUS WHAT WE JUST SET UP HERE AS AN EFFECT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS PAUSING THE PROGRAM, DID THAT IN FACT, TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO GET JERRY'S OPINION ON WHERE THAT'S MORE THAN SAYING ANYTHING.

HOW OFTEN DO THE AUCTIONS OCCUR ONCE A YEAR? ONCE A YEAR.

THAT SERVICE FEE AND GET OUT AND COME TO YOUR RATE? UM, THAT'S UP TO THEM, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE, IF THEIR RATE IS LOWER, I THINK THEY SHOULD SIT THERE, RIGHT? LIKE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SHOP AND GET LOWER RATES, THEY SHOULD HOLD ONTO THAT FOR AS LONG AS THEY NOT TO LAST.

AND YOU PUT A TIME PERIOD IN THERE THAT IF WE WANT HER TO CONSIDER A HIGH AND A LOW, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TILL JUNE, WHENEVER THAT DATE WAS, UM, WHY, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE Y THAT PERIOD OF TIME? SO I SAY JUNE 10TH, BECAUSE THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME.

IF WE WANTED TO START PEOPLE ON CYCLE ONE FOR AUGUST.

SO THAT'S GETTING IT BACK UP AND STARTED REALLY AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO BE AROUND A MEETING, RIGHT.

THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, 10, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO FILE THE OPT-OUT MATERIALS WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION.

THAT'S 10 DAYS, THE OPT-OUT IS 21 DAYS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE UTILITY OF ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE CHANGES.

SO WE BUILD BALLPARK 45 DAYS IN FROM, FROM WHEN THE PROGRAM, I GUESS, OFFICIALLY STARTS WHEN THE FIRST READ CYCLE HAPPENS TO GO TO THE BACK OUT OF IF THAT SLIPPED FIVE, SEVEN DAYS, WOULD THAT HAVE A BANJA METAL OF THAT? YOU'RE SAYING IF, IF WE WENT TO THE 15TH OR 17TH OR, WELL, AT THAT POINT IS DECIDE, YOU DECIDE, WELL, DO YOU WANT TO START WITH CYCLE ONE? YOU KNOW, YOU COULD START MID MONTH, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD HAVE HAD KNOW, HALF THE RESIDENTS MAY BE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST MONTH ON THE AES RATE, SOME MAY BE, UH, ON AN AGGREGATION RATE.

UM, SO NO, IT DOESN'T, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU KIND OF WANT TO STRUCTURE IT.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME COMMUNITIES SAY, LET'S JUST START AS SOON AS WE CAN.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS KIND OF CAME ON WHEN THEY DID THIS WAS JUST TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A ONE IN AUGUST.

MA'AM THIS IS VERY, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEE US TONIGHT.

UM, WHAT IF A RESIDENT IS ALREADY LOCKED INTO A LOWER RATE, DO THEY PAY

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THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IF IT WOULD START BACK UP, IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURRENT, WHO CURRENTLY HAVE NOT SHOPPED WITH ANOTHER SUPPLIER.

THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A MAJOR EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN, BECAUSE IF YOU DO AGGREGATION ABOUT A CHEAPER RATE THAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ROLLED INTO THE AGGREGATION, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO OPT OUT TO KEEP THE RATE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY IN.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

NO.

SO IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE ALREADY WITH A SUPPLIER AT SAY WHATEVER RATE THAT MAY BE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY ACTUALLY WOULD, WOULD BE EXCLUDED IN THE OPT-OUT LETTER THAT GOES OUT.

SO, SO ONE OF THE FIRST CRITERIA IS, IS THIS RESIDENT SHOPPING.

AND IF THEY ARE THAT THEY GET THAT ACCOUNT GETS PUT ASIDE.

THEY OKAY.

AND A RESIDENT HAS A LOWER RATES WHEN WE CAN AGGREGATE FOR NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM.

CORRECT.

AND THEN OUR BILL AT ALL.

AND IF YOU'RE ON BUDGET BILLING, YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN AGGREGATION.

UH, IF YOU CAN'T, YOU, CAN'T ON BUDGET BILLING, YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE ON THE PURCHASE OF INCOME.

YEP.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

SO THE, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM AND REQUIRED TO OPT OUT, IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE WITH THOSE WOULD BE THOSE CURRENTLY SERVICED BY ACS AES DIRECTLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THE OPINION FROM JERRY AND KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE STAND WITH THE CONTRACT SO THAT WE KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD? YES.

DO YOU HAVE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE ON A PROGRAM? YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, RIGHT NOW, I THINK CLOSE TO 35 CITIES THAT ARE ON ELECTRIC AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE 28 ON GAS AND ALL THE GAS ONES WE SENT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, FOR, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT THOSE IN THE FALL.

WHAT, WHAT CITIES WOULD YOU HAVE ON THE PROGRAM OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? WELL, THE CLOSEST I'M, SO BEAVER CREEK IS THE CLOSEST ONE UP HERE.

UH, THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE THAT HAS ANY FOOTPRINT IN, UH, NAS IS A CLEAR CREEK TOWNSHIP.

THEY'RE NORTHERN HALF BUS, BUT SOME THE ERA, EVERYTHING ELSE IS A GREATER CINCINNATI AREA.

THANKS MARK.

OH, SORRY.

AND THE CITY OF WORTHINGTON, THE OTHER ONE, THAT'S NOT IN GREATER CINCINNATI, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO AS SOON AS WE GET OUR FEET WET ON WHAT THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY SAYS, THEN WE'LL MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON WHERE TO MOVE FORWARD.

UNDERSTANDING.

I MEAN, YEAH, THIS, BUT THAT WAS RACHEL LOCKED IN NOW.

OTHER THAN YOU'LL GO SHOPPING IF WE HAVE AN APP, BUT YEAH.

I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY STARTED, I MEAN, I WENT OUT TO BID WITH MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS BACK IN, AT THE END OF MARCH, AS, AS WE KNEW WHERE AES WAS GOING TO BE.

SO AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE QUEUED UP.

UM, AND I'LL JUST HAVE TO ASK FOR REFRESHES AT THIS POINT.

SO, I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL SUPPLIERS AGAIN, JUST WAITING FOR ME TO TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? IF THE AUCTION IS HELD ONCE A YEAR, HOW COME THE RATES ON A, ON APPLE WILL CHANGE EVERY MONTH? CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE MARKET ITSELF, RIGHT? SO WITH THE MARKET GOING UP AND DOWN, THE SUPPLIERS WILL GO OUT THERE AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL REFRESH WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO OFFER A CUSTOMER AT THAT TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE A WEATHER UTILITIES PRETTY MUCH LOCKED IN FOR 12 MONTHS AT A TIME, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RETAILERS, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BUY GASOLINE, HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL CHANGE TODAY AND TOMORROW.

AND IT'S, WHAT'S THE GOING RATE REALLY AT ANY INSTANCE IN TIME.

[ Liquor Permit #2458001 - Marathon - 8001 Brandt Pike]

NEXT ITEM.

3G LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 5 8 0 0 1 FOR MARATHON AT 8,001 BRAND.

UH, THIS IS A, A TRANSFER OF A LIQUOR PERMIT AT THIS LOCATION AT 8 0 0 1 BRANT PIPE.

IT IS A MARATHON GAS STATION, NOT THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED RECENTLY IN QUESTION.

UM, SO THIS IS NOT A NEW PERMIT JUST TO TRANSFER AND IT IS, UM, IN THE PERMIT CLASS OF, UH, C1 AND C2.

SO, UH, WE RECEIVED THIS FROM THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL.

IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS.

THERE WAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE TRANSFER OF THE LIQUOR PERMIT.

SO WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, THEY ASKED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY FOR THIS, UH, TRANSFER AND DISCUSSION OBJECTIONS.

SO BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS UNDER ITEM THREE H ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

NEXT UP IS I'M THREE RIGHT HERE.

OH, I'M, I'M GIVEN THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, ANOTHER MEETING UNTIL MONDAY BEFORE I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[ Board and Commission Appointments * Arts and Beautification Commission - Reappointments]

THESE ARE REAPPOINTMENTS.

WISHES TO SEEK REAPPOINTMENT TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

UH, WE HAD, UH, LISTED HERE THREE REAPPOINTMENTS TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION FOR EXPIRING TERMS, UH, SINCE THE PACKET WAS DISTRIBUTED AND I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT MR. GAVIN, WILSON NO LONGER

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SO, UM, THIS WOULD JUST BE A MOTION FOR REAPPOINTMENT OF TINA DANIEL AND LAURA SHELDON TO A NEW TERM ENDING JANUARY 30TH, 2025.

BOTH OF THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALS WERE APPOINTED TO UNEXPIRED TERM.

SO THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED A FULL TERM AS OF YET.

UH, THE CURRENT TERM EXPIRES ON JUNE 30TH, 2022.

UH, IT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO UPDATE THE BACKGROUND CHECKS ON MS. DANIEL OR MS. SHELTON DUE TO THE RECENT NATURE OF THEIR, UH, ADDITIONAL APPOINTMENTS.

UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, UM, THAT WE COULD DO THE REAPPOINTMENT FOR THE TWO INDIVIDUALS ON MONDAY TO A NEW TERM, ANY OBJECTION.

AND THEN WON'T BE SEEKING TO FILL THE VACANCY BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION AS WELL.

[ Executive Session]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS EXECUTIVE SESSION, MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WILL READ.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THREE REASONS.

THE SAFETY NUMBER ONE TO CONSIDER UNDER A HIGHER REVISE CODE 1 21 0.22 G FIVE TRADE SECRETS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN LEASES FOR THE FORMER CRD AND PROPERTY, WHICH ARE CONFIDENTIAL AS TRADE SECRETS UNDER OHIO REVISED CODE 1, 3, 3, 3 0.61 REASON.

NUMBER TWO, TO CONSIDER THE SALE OF PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BIDDING, WHERE A PREMATURE DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION WOULD GIVE AN UNFAIR, COMPETITIVE OR BARGAINING ADVANTAGE TO A PERSON WHOSE PERSONAL PRIVATE INTEREST IS ADVERSE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTERESTS.

AND THE THIRD REASON IS TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT AND EMPLOYMENT OF CERTAIN PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE REASONS STATED THAT MR. ROGERS SAYS NANCY YEAH.

MODE.

THERE WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE REASON STATED BY MR. ROGERS.

SECOND MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE THIRD TOPIC? IS THERE A NEW, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION POSITION, THIS ONGOING DISCUSSION? THERE'S TWO SEPARATE, UH, PUBLIC EMPLOYEE ISSUES.

YEAH.

THE QUESTION QUESTIONS.

MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.

ONCE IT'S OVER, WE WILL COME BACK OUT.

PARKWAY REDDICK.