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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING OF THE CITY
[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road March 29, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.MR. JEFFERY'S, MISS OP HERE AS THOMAS HEIR, MS. FARGO, MR. WALTON HERE, I HAVE NO OPENING COMMENTS.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE GUYS HEARING NONE? UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS REMARKS, UH, SOME CITIZENS COMMENTS ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING AND HEARING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON WITH SWEARING WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND TO I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING OF, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THROAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED ALSO WHEN, UH, WHEN TALKING STEPPED TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED OUR FIRST ITEM IS PENDING UNDER PENDING BUSINESSES.
THE APPLICANT, UH, MARGIE TOCAR IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REZONING TO PLAY IN COMMERCIAL PC FOR 35 ACRES AT STATE ROUTE 2 35 FOR A FUELING CENTER, CONVENIENCE STORE TRUCKSTOP AND DIESEL REPAIR FACILITIES, ZONING CASE B D P 22 DASH OH EIGHT.
MR. SHARELLE, UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSONS AND MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON SORROW, THE CITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
SO AS YOU STATED, THIS IS APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS TAPE AND REZONING, WHICH WAS TABLED FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
THIS IS THE SITE IT'S 35 ACRES APPROXIMATELY, UM, INCLUDES THIS LARGE, A RETENTION POND HERE TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AFTER THE MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT FLOODING.
UH, ALL OF THE FLOODPLAIN AREA IS SOUTH OF 70.
SO THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AREA JUST TO LET YOU OUT.
I WILL ZIP THROUGH, BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF THIS BEFORE.
UM, THIS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A REVISED SITE PLAN, WHICH ADDRESSES ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT STAFF HAD.
SO HERE'S, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN? IT HAD A, UH, ENTRANCE ALIGNED WITH, UM, CENTERPOINT 70, BASICALLY THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY.
WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO REALLY MORE CREATE A ROADWAY, UH, THIS WAY.
SO IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WANTED TO EXPAND CENTERPOINT 70, THERE WAS A ROOM TO DO THAT WITHOUT AFFECTING THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, UH, TOO MUCH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THAT.
HE'S MADE THE REVISIONS AS ALSO ADD IN STREET TREES, WHICH, UH, ACCORDING TO THE CODE AND, UH, ENLARGE THE SETBACK 15 FEET, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO CODE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE ARE 76 PARKING SPACES NOW, UM, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
UH, EVERYTHING BEHIND HERE PRETTY MUCH IS THE SAME, UH, 10 PARKING SPACES FOR SEMI-TRUCKS, WHICH IS THE LIMIT, UH, PROVIDED FOR BY THE CODE THAT HAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT ALLOWED, UH, THE ELEVATIONS HAVEN'T CHANGED.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UH, IT IS NOW, UH, COMPLETELY COMPLIES WITH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, AND, UH, DOES PROVIDE THAT 15 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER YARD, WHICH HAS REQUIRED THE LANDSCAPING, UH, DOES ILLUSTRATE, UH, STREET TREES AND, UH, LANDSCAPE ISLAND, UH, LANDSCAPING IN THE FUTURE.
AT THE POINT IN TIME, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE WILL GET ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING PLANS DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A PHASE, THE PARKING AND LOADING MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 1185.
UM, THERE ARE 67 SPACES REQUIRED.
THE REVISED PLAN NOW INDICATES 76 SPACES.
UH, AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT REQUIRED NUMBER WILL LIKELY GO DOWN.
UM, BUT AT THE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT DOES MEET THE CODE.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF 10 SPACES, UH, FOR SEMI-TRUCK PARKING.
SO OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES INDICATE THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE AREA.
UH, I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS AS A COMPLIMENTARY USE FOR ALL OF THE LOGISTICS, UH, USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS AREA.
UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE ALL OF THE REVISIONS THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED.
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UH, WE THINK THAT THE REVISED SITE PLAN ALSO ALLOWS BETTER FLOW AND STACKING, UH, AS, AS ONE WOULD EXIT ON 2 35.SO WE FEEL THAT, UH, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6, AND THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODE REGULATIONS AND ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFREY'S JUST ONE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, IS THIS ABLE TO CONNECT INTO CITY WATER? ARE THEY ON A DIFFERENT WATER SUPPLY OR BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THEIR HEAD WITH IT IS ON THE, UM, PLAN TO EXTEND THIS WAY, UM, IN A YEAR OR SO.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, THERE IS WATER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH THEY CAN CONNECT INTO, BUT WE, UH, WE ARE ENLARGING THE WATER LINES, UPSTATE ROUTE 30 TO 35.
SO AS, AS WE MOVE UP TO 35 AND WE WOULD TIE INTO THAT AND THEN BE BACK WITH THEM.
I'VE GOT A COUGH, NO PROBLEMS. OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASES, THE APPLICANT UH, CRISPY SECOR, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER, HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
WE WILL CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THAT ZONING CASE.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, A MARGIE TOCAR CAR FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING TO PLAY IN COMMERCIAL PC ON APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES OF A 35 ACRE PARCEL OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF INTERSECTION, STATE, ROUTE 2 35 AND CENTER POINT 70 BOULEVARD, PARCEL NUMBERS PIECE 70 DASH 0 3 9 0 3 DASH 0 0 7 9 AND P 70 DASH 0 3 9 0 3 DASH 0 0 5 WITH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY OHIO RECORDS CASE BPD, UH, 22 DASH OH EIGHT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MARCH 22ND, 2022.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
MOVED BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS OP SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. FARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE, UM, EXCUSE ME.
SO THE APPLICANT, UM, THIS WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AND THEN BE NOTIFIED LIKE WE'RE READY TO GO.
WELL, FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AS A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT CAMPBELL BERLIN HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING TO PLAN RESIDENTIAL PR AND A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ZONING CASE CVDP 22 DASH 11, MR. CRL OOPS.
ARE WE ADDINGTON OF THAT WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SO THIS IS APPROVAL FOR A COMBINED, UH, BASIC AND, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, UH, SITE IS 22.9 ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL, OR THE EXISTING LAND USES AGRICULTURAL AND THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, AND SOME ARE ONE.
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97 UNIT DEVELOPMENT OF 29 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS AND 34, 2 FAMILY TOWNHOMES.UH, THE AVERAGE DENSITY IS 4.3 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPLICATION THAT WAS WITHDRAWN WAS FOR 132 UNITS, UM, 66 TO FAMILY TOWNHOMES.
SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED IN DENSITY.
THIS IS THE SITE OFF THE BELL FOUNTAIN, UH, JUST SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG RIGHT HERE.
THERE IS A, A GAS PIPELINE THAT BISECTS THE SITE RIGHT HERE.
SO, UM, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND.
SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ON THE WESTERN SIDE, THE DUPLEXES, OR ARE ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
THIS IS WHERE THE PIPELINE BY SEX.
UH, THE SITE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING THAT'S PROPOSED ALONG A BELL FOUNTAIN AVENUE OR BELT FOUNTAIN HERE.
UH, AND THEN IN THE INTERIOR PUBLIC SPACE, BOTH ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE, THIS IS A CO UH, A, UH, RENDERING OF THE, THE, UH, BUFFERING ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN AS SPECIFICALLY BUFFERING THE OAKS AREA, UH, SIX FOOT HIGH MOUND WITH SIGNIFICANT PLANTINGS.
THIS IS, UM, SO I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS FULLY DECIDED EXACTLY WHAT MODEL OF, UM, OF UNIT, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TOWNHOUSES THAT THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED IN OTHER AREAS, TWO CAR GARAGE FOR, FOR BOTH, UH, BRICK CLADDING, UH, AND LARGELY MEETS THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, UM, THE AVERAGE DENSITY IN THE PLAN, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SHOT, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE AVERAGE DENSITY SHALL NOT EXCEED FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT PROPOSAL WAS 4.3, UH, UNITS.
UM, THE OTHER SECTION THAT'S APPLICABLE HERE IS 1147, WHICH IS THE LOT SIZE.
THIS IS THE DETAIL OF, THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF LOTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
THERE'S A 60 FOOT FRONT EDGE OF 64 FOOT FRONT EDGE AND A 72 FOOT FRONTAGE.
SO THE
UM, THAT'S THE BRIDGE IS BASICALLY HOW THE CODE READS, UM, THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE IS 7,500 SQUARE FEET, 60 FOOT, LOT FRONTAGE, UH, 25 FOOT, UH, YARD, DEPTH, UH, FRONT, ET CETERA.
UH, HERE ARE THE VARIOUS, UM, UH, LOT SIZES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS 7,200 SQUARE FEET.
THE 64 FOOT LOT IS 5,700 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE, UH, 72 FOOT FRONTAGE LOT IS 79 20.
SO THE SINGLE FAMILY IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED.
UH, THE 64 FRONT FOOT FRONT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN AS WHAT REQUIRED.
UM, BUT THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENTS IS, UH, 6,900 SQUARE FEET.
SO AS I SAID, THE 64 FOOT FRONTAGE LOT IS SIGNIFICANT, SMALL, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER, BUT DOES PROVIDE A PRODUCT FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT A LARGE BACKYARD OR NEED A BACKYARD AS FAR AS PARKING AND LOADING.
UM, THEY BOTH CONTAIN TWO CAR GARAGES ALONG WITH DRIVEWAY SPACE.
UH, THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THE STANDARD, AS FAR AS THE BUILDING MATERIALS, THE ELEVATIONS SHOW THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, THE DOES SUBMIT DOES COMPLY WITH THE BRICK VENEER REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT THAT WILL BE ENFORCED AS WELL AT THE ZONING PERMIT.
UM, INSIDE THERE WERE COMMENTS IN THE, FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THERE WERE TWO ISSUES THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD.
THE FIRST WAS THE, UH, EMERGENCY EXIT, UH, IS PROPOSED AT 12 FEET.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS A MINIMUM 20 FOOT.
THERE WAS PLENTY OF ROOM TO ENLARGE THAT BY EIGHT FEET, UH, AND MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
THE OTHER, UM, PARK WAS IN THE LETTER WAS THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTED A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, THE, WHAT WAS THE REFERENCE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S LETTER A IS A 96
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FOOT DIAMETER, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, 90 FOOT, 96 FOOT DIAMETER CALLED A SAC.WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS CITY STANDARD.
THIS IS THE STANDARD CALLED THE SACK TO EVERY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS 76 FEET.
SO THE APPLICANT AND THE FIRE CHIEF HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER TODAY, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FINE WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS HERE WHILE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING IS NOT REQUIRED IN THE PR DISTRICT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, SCREENING HERE ALONG A BELL FOUNTAIN.
UH, AND THIS REVISED PROPOSAL IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DENSE THAN THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED AND PULLED.
I CAN GO THROUGH EVERY STANDARD FOR APPROVAL IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT IT'S IN MY STAFF REPORT.
UM, AND THIS IS PRETTY, SHE PRETTY MUCH COPIED WORD FOR WORD.
SO I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
I CAN ZIP THROUGH THIS OR NOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
NO, BUT NO, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE FIRST ONE ASSISTANT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THIS AREA SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY WITH A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY.
UH, AND, BUT THE OVERALL DENSITY IS 4.3 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK THIS PRODUCT DOES PROVIDE AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT A STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, SO I'LL ZIP THROUGH THESE.
UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE, UM, THAT THE, THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN 1106 AND 11 SEVEN, SORRY, EXCUSE ME.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE DWELLINGS MEET THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FROM THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS PER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OTHERWISE, UH, IT IT'S MEETS THE, UH, THE INTENT, UH, AND THE, IN THE LETTER OF THE CITY CODE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LOT SIZE, YES.
HOW MANY ROADS ARE GOING TO BE INSIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WILL THEY BE PRIVATE OR WILL THEY BE SITTING AROUND, UM, SWING BACK HERE? THEY WILL BE CITY ROADS.
UM, AND THEY MEET THE, UH, THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, UM, UH, AS FAR AS ROAD CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, DIAMETER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, ET CETERA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? SO SIDEWALKS ARE, UM, PROPOSED HERE ALONG, UM, INTERIOR AND SIDEWALKS ALONG A BELL FOUNTAIN.
UM, I, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL GET WITH THE DEVELOPER WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SIDEWALK WIDTH.
I KNOW THEY'RE FINE ON THE INTERIOR.
THEY WEREN'T WELL DIMENSIONED ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN, BUT THEY'LL NEED TO MAKE, MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS THERE.
MR. JEFFRIES ON THE FIRE APPARATUS, THE TURNING RADIUS, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS LOOKING AT 96 FOOT.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE? WHY WOULD, WHY WERE THEY LOOKING AT 20 FEET GREATER THAN WHAT OUR NORMAL IS? SO THE FIRE CODE, UM, THAT HAS ADOPTED BASICALLY SAYS WHEN YOU HAVE A LONG RUN LIKE THIS, THAT THEN TERMINATES WITH A DEAD END OR A CALL THE SEC, THE CALL, THE SEX SHOULD BE WIDER SO THAT THE FIRETRUCK DOESN'T HAVE TO BACK UP.
UM, I THINK IT WASN'T IN THE DISCUSSIONS, BUT THE FIRE CHIEF IS FINE WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ORIGINALLY.
UM, BUT THAT WAS WHY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRE CODE, THIS LONG RUN DOES SUGGEST A WIDER TURNING RADIUS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BACK UP BASICALLY, OR MAKE IT THREE POINT TURN.
BUT I MEAN, NOT TO BE A SMART ASS, BUT FIRETRUCKS COME WITH REVERSE SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN NAVIGATE THAT.
SO IT WOULDN'T IMPEDE THEIR RESPONSE TIME OR TIME TO GET TO THE SITE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEN TURNING AROUND.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T, I THINK THE OTHER REASON THAT CHIEF WAS FINE WITH IT, WITH IT IS, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE APPARATUS THAT HUBER HAS LONG ENOUGH APPARATUS THAT THIS WOULD BE A REAL PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, THAT THEY WOULD DISPATCH TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
I THINK WE HAVE A NEW ONE OR AN ORDER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE DISPATCHED TO THAT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A NEW, LARGER ONE ON ORDER SOMEBODY
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HAD MENTIONED.BUT LIKE I SAID, THE CHIEF OVER THE DAY AND SAID THAT THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IN THE FIRE AS WELL.
SO WE JUST GOT THE UPDATED ONES TONIGHT.
UH, IT SAYS OWNER ONE SECTION.
SO THOSE CALCULATIONS WILL NEED TO BE DETERMINED AND PROVIDED.
ANOTHER ONE SAYS CURRENT LAYOUT DOES NOT APPEAR TO MEET SPACING.
SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT A DETAILED APPROVAL IF WE HAVE INCOMPLETE DATA? WELL, SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK AT THIS AS, UM, THESE WILL BE FIELD REVISIONS.
UM, AND, AND WHAT SHE'S REALLY WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, SPACING A FIRE HYDRANTS.
UH, AND WE TYPICALLY DON'T SHOW THOSE OR BOTHER, YOU KNOW, APPROVE WITHIN THE, WE CHANGE THOSE TO, UH, AFTER THE, UH, DETAILED IS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THE CODE.
AND THEN DO WE HAVE, I GUESS AN OPINION FROM FIRE, AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY SAID THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, BUT IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE HAD SINGLE LANE OR SINGLE ENTRY POINTS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE TO SEPARATE ENTRY, INSTEAD OF DOING THE AUXILIARY ENTRY, I MEAN, I WORRY ABOUT THE, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME WE'VE BROUGHT THIS UP IN THIS PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND WE NEED THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS, BUT WHEN SECONDS MATTER, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT A SAFER, EASIER ENTRY AT THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE, DOES FIRE HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO THEIR JOB, BUT RIGHT.
SECONDS MATTER IN AN EMERGENCY.
SO FIRE DIDN'T BRING UP, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD BE BOULEVARD OR NOT.
UM, WHAT THEY HAVE SAID IS WHEN A BOULEVARD HAS BEEN PROPOSED, THEY WANT IT WIDER TYPICALLY.
UM, BUT, BUT THE ONLY ISSUE THAT THEY RAISED WAS THE WIDTH OF THIS SECONDARY ACCESS CODE.
THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS IF YOU GO AND LOOK, I MEAN, IF IT LINES UP STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OAKS, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF WIDTH AVAILABLE.
SO I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE A STATEMENT FROM FIRE OF, AND THIS CAN BE FOR COUNCIL TO FIND OUT AIR, GET IT TO THAT LEVEL, BUT NOT, IS THIS ACCEPTABLE, WHICH WOULD THEY PREFER? OKAY.
BECAUSE IN AN EMERGENCY, I WANT THEIR PREFERENCE, NOT WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
COULD YOU PLEASE POINT OUT ON THAT MAP WHERE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE? SO, UH, ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE BASICALLY WEST OF THIS BRAKE LINE.
SO THE, THE WESTERN MOST SIDE OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THE OAKS, THIS IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
SO FROM HERE OVER IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY FROM HERE TO THE BACK ARE A DOUBLES.
THANK YOU, MR. JEFFRIES, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED A DROP LANES IN AND OUT.
NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC COUNT, I THINK JUST MORE OF TRAFFIC PATTERN AND SPEED ON BELL FOUNTAIN.
IS THERE ANY UPDATES ON THAT OR ANY REASON WE WOULDN'T WOULD NOT WANT TO LOOK AT THAT? AS FAR AS COMING IN, THERE IS ONE STRAIGHT AGAIN, STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
IT'S A WIDE OPENING WITH A DROP LANE IN AND ROOM TO HAVE A DROP LANE OUT.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO ROOM TO PUT A DROP LANE SOUTH OF THIS SITE FOR A RIGHT END.
UM, AND SINCE THERE'S ONLY 97 UNITS, THAT WOULDN'T BE WARRANTED, UH, ENGINEERING TO NOT BRING THIS AT ALL, BECAUSE THE LAST ONE, IT WAS ALMOST 200 UNITS.
UM, THAT WOULD WARRANT A DROP LANE.
YOU GOT THE QUESTIONS FROM STAFF.
SOME ADDITIONAL FOLLOW-UPS FROM THE LAST ONES, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A FEW TIMES.
SO, UM, IT SAYS THERE ARE NO NATURAL, UH, BARRIERS OR WHATEVER THAT WERE OF CONCERN.
I KNOW THERE WAS A CREEK TO THE NORTHEAST.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE, I THINK THERE'S A SMALL STREAM.
THIS IS BASICALLY JUST FIELD DRAINAGE.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY DELINEATED STREAMS OR WETLANDS THAT ARE DELINEATED ON THE WETLANDS MAPPER.
UM, THIS DOES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, THE, THE RETENTION POND WOULD, UH, WOULD FLOW INTO HERE IN THIS AREA.
IS THIS A PETROLEUM PIPELINE? YOU CAN SEE THIS CUT IN THE TREE LINE HERE.
UM, ALSO THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE OF HOW SPREAD OUT EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE, THAT THERE IS OCCASIONALLY HUNTING AND ACTIVE SHOOTING, NOT, NOT HIGH VOLUME, OBVIOUSLY IN THE AREAS THERE, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS ON THAT, OR HAS THAT BEEN
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ALL CLEARED WITH COUNCIL? I KNOW IT WAS BROUGHT UP AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL CAME OUT OF IT.THAT WAS ALL THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
AND THEN IT WAS FARM LAND AROUND IT WITH WHAT A MAN THERE'S FARMLAND RATHER, RIGHT.
WITH A MINIMUM OF LIKE THREE ACRES AND THERE IS ACTIVE, ACTIVE HUNTING.
AND YEAH, THIS IS CERTAINLY AN AREA IN TRANSITIONS.
AND NOW IT'S A 200 ACRE SUBDIVISION.
UM, WE HAVE THIS ON THE PROPOSAL, UM, CHAMBERS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA IN TRANSITION.
SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THOSE CONFLICTS THAT ARISE OVER TIME.
AND THEN I THINK THE LAST ONE I'VE HEARD, REMEMBER THE NORTHERN EDGE.
UM, AND I FORGET THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME.
SO COME LEFT A LITTLE BIT, I THINK, RIGHT ALONG THAT LINE RIGHT IN THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESIDENT LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS OF SCREENING, BUFFERING, LANDSCAPING.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING EXTRA IN HERE ON THAT.
AND THAT MIGHT BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER.
UM, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE JUST OFF OF WHAT I RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WE'RE HANDLING THOSE OR BRINGING THEM BACK.
SO, UM, THERE'S NATURAL, THERE'S A NATURAL TREELINE RIGHT HERE.
UM, BUT, BUT THE CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY BUFFERING ON THE EDGES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
I JUST HAD A STATEMENT, UM, KIND OF GO BACKWARDS TO THE BOULEVARD.
UM, I, I THINK I, I MEAN, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE BOULEVARD MATCHING IF WE'RE GOING TO LINE UP DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE OAKS, MAYBE MATCHING, UM, THE SAME ENTRANCE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONSISTENCY THERE, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW.
I THINK, I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PLENTY OF ROOM HERE, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT OR ADDRESS THAT.
I SHOULD SAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE SHOULD OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING AGAIN, BOB CRONE, GOLD CAMPBELL, BERLIN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU, BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED FIVE.
OH, AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE FOLKS ACROSS THE STREET IN THE OAKS.
AND WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, UM, REDUCED OUR DENSITY BY 27%.
ANYBODY CAN GET THAT RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT.
UM, SO AS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION, BECAUSE WE LISTENED TO ALL THE INPUT WE GOT FROM EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT, UM, AS STAFF, AS ERIN, UM, TOLD YOU THE POINT OF DEMARCATION IS THE GAS PIPELINE EASEMENT.
SO ON ONE SIDE OF IT IS SINGLE FAMILY.
WE FELT THAT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONCESSION TO, UH, THE OAKS FOLKS.
AND WE STILL WERE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE PAIR PATIO AND, UM, THE, UM, RANCH, UH, ATTACHED PRODUCT.
THEY'RE ALL SINGLE FAMILY D P SAMPLE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE PLAN WE CAME UP WITH.
UM, IT WAS, UH, AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION TO ADDRESS MR. JEFFREY, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY TO RUSS, UM, AND AS AARON MENTIONED, THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.
SO WE, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND, AND AS AARON INDICATED BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY DROP, UM, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO DO A, A DROPLET THE SHOOTING.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY SAID NO SHOOTING IS ALLOWED IN THE CITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE HUNTING LAWS, BUT I JUST, I I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT COMMENT BEFORE.
SO I CAN'T ADDRESS SHOOTING AS A SAFETY CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS MOVING IN THERE.
UM, THE BUFFERING TO THE NORTH AT THE TIME WE, WE HAD A DISCUSSION, THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS THE ATTACHED PRODUCT.
SO WE OFFERED UP THE BUFFERING BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY.
AS ERIC INDICATED, THERE TYPICALLY IS NO BUFFERING BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY.
SO, UM, THE BOULEVARD, I, I UNDERSTAND I HEARD WHAT, WHAT THE COMMENTS WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A BOULEVARD.
WE FELT WE DRESSED FIRE SAFETY BY HAVING THE SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS TO THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.
LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THE REPORT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE.
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SOME OF THE PRODUCT HAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE BRICK AND SOME OF THEM LOWER.SO WE, WE AGREED THAT THE MATERIAL WOULD BE, UH, A BLENDED 50% IS WHAT I THINK STAFF WAS POINTING TO.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL.
HAVE YOU MET WITH THEM ALREADY? UH, REGARDING THIS? NO, NOT THIS PLANT, BUT WE WERE BEFORE COUNCIL, I THINK THREE OR FOUR TIMES ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN.
THANK YOU, MR. JEFFERSON, ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I KNOW THE DUPLEX STYLE WE HAD CALLED THE ATTACHED PATIO HOMES.
I BELIEVE IT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CONCEPT PATIO HOMES AS WELL, OR IS IT JUST FULL SINGLE FAMILY? LIKE ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE LADDER.
AND IS IT GOING TO STILL BE UNDER THE SAME KIND OF PATIO HOME CONCEPT, HOA OUTSIDE MOWING AND ALL THAT? OR IS IT GOING TO BE SEPARATED INSIDE? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ANSWER.
WE, WE HAVEN'T RE REGROUPED WITH THE BUILDER ON THAT.
SO I REMEMBER WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE SURPRISES LATER.
I HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? I WAS WAITING FOR THE FORD AGAINST THE, SORRY.
UM, I'M A RESIDENT AT HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, JUST TO ADD ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SHOOTING IN THE AREA, ACTUALLY, UM, GREG BURLING, AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
IF YOU WILL HAVE FIVE ACRES OR MORE, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DISCHARGE FIREARMS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT IS DISCHARGING FIREARMS AT ANY TIME RIGHT NOW SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, THE THREE SIDES, THE NORTH, THE EAST AND THE SOUTH, OTHER THAN TRACY AND MARK HARMON, EVERYONE QUALIFIES TO DISCHARGE FIREARMS. SO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE CAN SHOOT ANYTIME THEY WANT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO IT.
UM, MS.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHY DO WE HAVE ATTACHED FAMILY HOMES IN THIS PLAN? UM, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD WHEN PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD, MR. DEEKS, I KNOW SENT A LETTER IN AND HE CAN'T BE HERE IN PERSON.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS HE HAD WAS THE LENGTH OF THAT CALL THE SAC AND THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON IT.
UM, ACCORDING TO FIRE CODE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A SUBDIVISION WITH OVER 30 HOMES WITHOUT A SECOND ENTRANCE LOGIC WOULD FOLLOW.
THEN WHY COULD YOU HAVE A ROAD WITH 50 HOMES ON IT AND NOT A SECOND ENTRANCE? IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRIOR PLAN FOR THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP OR NOT.
UM, IT HAD SEVERAL INTERIOR ROADS SO THAT THERE WERE, THERE WAS TWO SHORT CUL-DE-SACS.
IF YOU COULD SEE IT FROM MY COPY HERE, THERE'S A ROAD THAT GOES DOWN HERE AND A ROAD THAT GOES DOWN HERE.
SO IT LESSENS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE ISOLATED BY A SINGLE CAR, BROUGHT BLOCKING THAT ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY HOUSES IN AS POSSIBLE, BUT I'D LIKE TO THINK PUBLIC SAFETY PLAYS A ROLE IN THERE TOO.
UM, SO WHILE THE DEVELOPERS MADE SOME CHANGES SINCE THIS LAST APPLICATION, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S STILL DUPLEXES IN THE PLAN AND THE DENSITY GROSSLY EXCEEDS THAT OF THE SURROUNDING EXISTING HOMES IN THE AREA.
COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, CLEARLY STATES SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOMES ON MEDIUM TO LARGE SIZED LOSS.
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THERE ARE NO DUPLEXES SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY OR IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.AND PUTTING THEM IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL REDUCE THE PROPERTY VALUES THAT WE WHO DO LIVE IN THE AREA SEEK TO PROTECT STAFF REPORT SAID THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE A NEGLIGIBLE EFFECT GOING FROM AN OPEN FIELD TO 97 HOMES WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THOSE OF US WHO LIVE THERE, A PROJECT THAT HAS THE D THE DENSITY OF 17 TIMES MORE, THE DENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY WE'LL HAVE AN IMPACT.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN EXPECTED THAT WHEN THIS LAND WOULD BE DEVELOPED, IT WOULD BE DONE IN A WAY THAT WOULD BLEND WITH THE EXISTING USES OF LAND AND NOT BE SO DIFFERENT.
THAT WHEN YOU PULL OUT FROM THIS MAP AND LOOK AT THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULD STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
THIS IS AN URBAN DESIGN THAT IS BEING PUT IN A RURAL SETTING.
ALL OF THE HOMES THAT SURROUND IT, THAT ADJOIN, IT ARE ON SIGNIFICANT ACREAGE.
THEY HAVE FARM ANIMALS AND FARM EQUIPMENT.
AND IN THIS CASE, UM, THE CHART THAT MR. SORRELL BROUGHT UP SAID THAT THE BACKYARD SHOULD BE 40 FEET.
SO CAN YOU IMAGINE A COMBINE HARVESTING 40 FEET FROM YOUR BACKYARD, FROM YOUR BACK DOOR AND THIS CASE, IT COULD BE 20 FEET FROM YOUR BACK DOOR.
IT SUPPORT DESIGN IN MANY WAYS, BUT COMMON SENSE TELLS US THAT THIS DOES NOT FIT IN WITH THE EXISTING USES OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT WHY PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A RURAL SETTING AND THE OPTIONS THAT ARE TRADED OFF TO LIVE WITH FEW NEIGHBORS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE OAKS IS A SEMI RURAL SETTING.
WE ALL LIVE ON 12,000 SQUARE FEET, MINIMUM LA, EXCUSE ME, RIGHT OUTSIDE.
WE HAD THE MINIMUM 20 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES THAT MR. CRL POINTED OUT BY ORDINANCE, AND WE HAVE THE MINIMUM 40 YARD BACKYARD.
WHY SHOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET NOT FOLLOW THE ORDINANCES THAT THE REST OF US HAD TO COMPLY WITH? WHY SHOULD ANY EXCEPTIONS BE GIVEN THAT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE EXISTING HUBER HEIGHTS, CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA? IN SUMMARY, I BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCES AND BE PART OF A COHESIVE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.
I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS.
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED LETTERS, AND I ASKED THAT YOU PRIEST DENIED THIS APPLICATION AS IT STEVENS CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON A ZONING CASE? HI, MY NAME IS TRACY HARMON.
WE LIVED TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH WHERE THEY APPRECIATE ALL THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE IN THEIR SECOND PLAN.
AGAIN, WE WERE, WE BOUGHT THREE YEARS AGO TO BE IN A RURAL SETTING.
AND I KNOW THEY SAY THEY KEEP, I KEEP HEARING THESE, UM, THE WORD, THIS ISN'T AN AREA IN FLUX, BUT AGAIN, ALL THE HOUSES, ALL THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING IT ARE NOT SMALL.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE LIKE THE DIVIDING LINE.
WE'RE CLOSE TO EVERYTHING, BUT WE HAVE OUR SPACE AND THIS IS NOT A, IT'S JUST STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE BIG LAND, BIG AREAS, BIG, BIG, UH, PARCELS OF LAND.
AND I, AND I KNOW THINGS ARE CHANGING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT I, AGAIN, I PRAY YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T FIT IN THIS AREA.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
MR. JEFFRIES, AARON, ON THE COMMENTS REGARDING FIRES SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
CAN YOU TOUCH BASE ON, ON THAT? I GUESS I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS WAS DESIGNED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN THAT'S SO, YEAH, THAT IS WHY THERE'S A SECONDARY ACCESS OF OFF OF THAT.
IF THERE WAS, UH, AN ACCIDENT AT THE INTERSECTION OF OH SIX AND THE MAIN
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ENTRANCE, IT WOULD ALLOW A SECONDARY ACCESS, UH, NORTH OF THERE.UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, IN GENERAL, UM, THE, THE FIRST, UH, SPEAKER, UM, I THINK IF THE SITE WERE WIDER AND LESS, OR WERE DEEPER INSTEAD OF LESS IT'S SORTS WIDE AND SKINNY, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY LAY ITSELF OUT WELL FOR, UM, FOR THOSE ACCESS ROADS MEAN IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD PUT, COULD PUT ONE IN, BUT WOULD LOSE, UM, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DENSITY OR, OR PRODUCT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T RAISE AN ISSUE ABOUT, UM, CONCERN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SERVICE THE, THE, THE HOUSES ALONG THAT SOUTHERN PART THERE, THE ORIGINAL CONCERN WAS SIMPLY ABOUT TURNING AROUND AFTER THEY GOT THERE.
UM, UH, THEY DID RAISE CONCERN ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE SECONDARY ACCESS, WHICH THE DEVELOPER WILL, WILL NEED TO ADDRESS AND MAKE THAT 20 FEET INSTEAD OF 12.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, GETTING TO THE SITE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT WAS RAISED WAS THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND AND I'LL HAVE TO BACK UP, BUT THE FIRE CHIEF SEEMS TO IS OKAY WITH THIS.
AND THE QUESTION ABOUT IF THERE'S A ROAD BLOCKAGE, I GUESS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A ROAD BLOCKAGE AT THAT, THAT FIRST INTERSECTION INTO THE SUBDIVISION, RIGHT.
I THINK INSIDE ONE OF THE CUL-DE-SACS IS AREA LIKE THE BOOK ONCE YOU'RE LANDLOCKED ON IT.
CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WHEN MR. DUCK'S CONCERN WAS A BELIEF.
SO WHAT, WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SAID IN THEIR LETTER IS THAT THEY WANT NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE LENGTH OF RUN SO THAT THERE WOULD BE LESS LIKELY CHANCE THAT THERE WOULD BE A CAR BLOCKING FOR RUN TO THE END OF THE CALL, THE SACK.
SO ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD WILL BE NO PARKING, CORRECT DOW.
I THINK IN, IN REALITY, ALMOST ALL OF IT WILL BE NO, NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE DUPLEXES, BECAUSE WITH THE WAY THE DRIVEWAYS ARE GONNA LINE UP, THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF ROOM TO PUT A CAR THERE, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE THAT THEY WANT.
NO PARKING ON ALL FOUR IN FRONT OF THE, THE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE DECISION RECORD.
UM, IT'S NOT THAT IT'LL BE IN A SENSE.
IT SAYS, UH, COMPLY WITH THE FIRE CODE.
SO THAT ASSUMES THAT WHATEVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ONCE THE APPLICANT'S GOING TO DO.
SO WE DIDN'T GET THAT INTO THAT SPECIFIC IN THE DECISION RECORD.
IT JUST THE, THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS REQUIREMENTS.
CAN I MAKE A REQUEST THAT, OR IT MAY BE A REQUIREMENT THAT ONCE THIS STARTS GOING, THAT THOSE SIGNS ARE UP IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT A YEAR AFTER I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE, SOME NO PARKING SIGNS WENT UP ACROSS THE STREET AND TALKED TO THE CITY ENGINEERS.
IT WAS, OH, WELL, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY ALL ALONG.
WE JUST NEVER GOT THE SIGNS IN THE GROUND UNTIL YOU GUYS BOUGHT YOUR HOUSES.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A, NOT A REAL FAIR SURPRISE.
I KNOW THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN TIP CITY.
THAT'S JUST DONE THIS AS WELL.
THE NO PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IT WORKS FOR THEM.
BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE BEFORE IT'S A LOOK OVER HERE AND I FORGOT TO TELL YOU THIS A YEAR LATER, MS. THOMAS, YEAH.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION BY CAMPBELL BERLIN FOR A REZONING AND A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BEL FONTAINE ROAD AND SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER SEVEN, I'M SORRY, P 70 0 3 9 0 8 0 1 2 6 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY OHIO'S RECORDERS OFFICE ZONING CASE CV DP, 22 DASH 11 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM, MARCH 22ND, 2022.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO, CAN I BRING UP ONE QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.
ON THE DECISION RECORD, UM, WE SAY WHERE MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE DWELLING SHALL MEET THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, 1181.
THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A 50% AVERAGE ACROSS THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FRONT FACADE BEING BRICK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, UH, IN SUBDIVISIONS HERE.
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THAT OR NOT? IT'S WHAT IS THE LAST POST TO EVERY SINGLE, UH, EVERY SINGLE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, BUILDING THE ENTIRE, THE WAY THE CODE READS IS FOR ONE STORY BUILDINGS, THE ENTIRE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE BRICK.WHAT HE IS ASKING IS THAT, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF ALL THE UNITS, THAT 50% OF THAT 50% OF THE UNITS WILL, WILL MAKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR.
IT WAS, IT WAS I'M SORRY FOR THE CONFUSING.
IT WAS PERTAINING TO THE ATTACHED PRODUCT.
SO THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS A STANDALONE THAT'S ITS OWN PRODUCT.
THE, WHAT I WAS ASKING IS BECAUSE SOME ARE SINGLE STORY AND SOME ARE TWO STORY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, THE PERCENTAGE BRICK ON THE, UM, BRANCH PRODUCT IS 61% AND 70% EXCEEDS THE 50, THE OTHER ONE IS 34% THE PAIR PATIO.
SO I WAS ASKING THAT THAT THOSE PRODUCTS BE AVERAGED AT 50% BRICK, SOME ARE HIGHER, SOME ARE LOWER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE 50%.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO NONE WOULD HAVE ZERO, CORRECT? YES.
AND THAT'S ON ALL FOUR SIDES OR JUST IN FRONT ELEVATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT, THE SIDES.
AND WHAT WOULD THE WHAT'S, WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR THAT? WHAT IS THE VANTAGE FOR THE BUILDER OR, UM, AARON, DO YOU DON'T HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPHS? UM, THEN I SENT, UM, FOR THE LAST, I DID NOT PUT THEM IN.
I JUST HAD THE ELEVATIONS THAT, THAT WERE, UH, IT'S THE, BECAUSE THE FRONT GARAGE TAKES UP A PERCENTAGE OF THE FRONT FACADE.
THE REST IS BRICK ON THE SIDES, BUT THEN THE OVERHANGS IN THE GABLE ENDS ARE, UH, LIKE A SIDING MATERIAL.
SOME ARE LIKE FISH SCALE IT'S, UM, SOME ARE SHAKE.
SO IT'S A BLENDING OF MATERIALS TO MAKE THE FACADE INTERESTING IS, IS HOW THE BUILDER BUILDS HIS PRODUCT.
SO TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE PERCENTAGES, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AREA ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, THAT'S WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE BECAUSE THE SIDES OF THE GARAGE ARE BRICK.
AND THEN AS YOU COME UP, THE GABLE ENDS ARE NOT ABLE TO BE BRICK.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A MATHEMATICAL PART OF THE ELEVATION IS THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH AREA TO WORK WITH.
SO THE TALLER ONES HAVE MORE, MORE PERCENTAGE, BUT THE SINGLE STORIES HAVE LESS PERCENTAGE.
IT'S JUST, UH, THE NATURE OF THE ELEVATION.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DUPLEXES? YES.
AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME TWO STORY DUPLEXES.
THERE'LL BE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT PAIR PATIO HOMES.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE A TWO-STORY PAIR PATIO, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE LAST, IT'S THE SAME PRODUCT.
UM, I COULD SHOW YOU A PICTURE FIT, YOU KNOW, PICTURES WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS IS THAT IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE TO SEE A PICTURE.
IF I COULD, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT, I COULD SHOW YOU WHAT THEY WERE IN THE BACK.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT'S THAT YOU HAVE TO PULL IT UP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TH THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AT THE LAST PLAN WHEN IT WAS FIVE.
OH, THAT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE I'M TRYING TO GET INCORPORATED INTO THIS DECISION RECORD.
IT WAS INCORPORATED IN THE PREVIOUS DECISION RECORD.
IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION DONE THIS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
THEN WHAT ABOUT ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? THOSE WILL BE COMPLIANT WITH THE 1181, I THINK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
IS THERE A MOTION MOTION MADE BY MS. THOMAS? IS THERE A SECOND, MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
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FIVE TO ZERO.WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT WILL MAKE THE REVISIONS TO THE DRAWINGS.
WE WILL THEN, UH, MOVE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN 2:00 PM PLAN MIXED FOR 197, UNIT RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOME APARTMENT COMMUNITY FOR THE HAMPTONS AT THE HEIGHTS ZONING CASE, THE D P 22 DASH 12.
MR. SYRUP SO YOU SAW THIS BRIEFLY, UH, AT ONE OF THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS.
AND SO I WILL TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, UH, AT THAT AS WELL.
IT'S A PR REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING FROM PLANNED EMPLOYMENT PARK TO PLAN TO MIXED USE.
THE EXISTING LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL PLAN MIXED USE R SEVEN AND EMPLOYMENT PARK.
UM, TH THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 197 TOWNHOME UNITS, UH, AND FIVE COMMERCIAL OUTLETS.
UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE.
SO, UH, OF THE 43 ACRES, UH, ALMOST 20 ACRES IS OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS 46.6%.
UH, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, IT'S NEARLY HALF AT 49%.
AND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE IT'S, UH, UH, 40 POINT, WELL ALMOST 41%.
THE GIS SYSTEM WAS DOWN WHEN I WAS DOING THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE.
UM, THAT'S MY FAULT FOR WAITING FOR THE LAST MINUTE, BUT HERE'S THE, UH, THE AREA.
THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION HERE, UH, IS ZONED, UM, R SEVEN OVER HERE.
THIS IS, UM, P P E P PLAYING EMPLOYMENT PARK.
AND, UM, THERE IS PLANNED MIXED USE IN THIS AREA.
THIS IS A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UH, RECENTLY BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND I BELIEVE IT IS NEARLY FULL.
THERE'S A MIXTURE OF USES UP HERE THAT ARE BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN THIS IS CARRIAGE HILL, UH, METRO PARKS.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE ROWS, AS YOU KNOW, AND HERE'S THE, UH, THE P THE RENDERING OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, THIS IS EXECUTIVE BLVD IS, SHOULD COME IN.
UH, THESE ARE THE COMMERCIAL OUTLETS.
THERE ARE FIVE THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, THIS IS A TOWNHOME, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THERE ARE THREE RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BE WET RETENTION PONDS.
SO THERE'LL BE AN ATTRACTIVE AMENITY, UM, TWO MAIN ENTRANCES OFF OF EXECUTIVE, UM, BOULEVARD RIGHT HERE TO THE SOUTH.
AND THEN, UH, ONE ENTRANCE TO THE EAST THAT CONNECTS THE EXISTING, UH, TO THE EXISTING ROAD, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY THERE'S A LARGE RETENTION POND HERE AT THIS SITE.
THIS SITE NATURALLY SLOPES FROM WEST TO EAST.
AND SO THE WATER WILL DRAIN THIS WAY.
UH, THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE SIZED TO ADDRESS THE, UH, TO HELP ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL TO THE REST OF THIS SITE.
UM, SO THE WATER NATURALLY FLOWS THIS WAY.
UM, AND THERE'S A CREEK THAT KIND OF RUNS.
YOU CAN SEE IT THROUGH HERE, WHICH IT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP OVER AT, UH, CARRIAGE HILL.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING THAT IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE ALSO INTERIOR OR INTERIOR, UH, WALKING TRAILS FOR, FOR THE RESONANCE.
UM, THERE IS BUFFERING BETWEEN THE EXISTING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE WEST.
UM, THERE IS NO BUFFERING THAT IS, UH, THAT IS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.
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I'LL ADDRESS THAT, UH, IN A MINUTE.HERE'S THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, AGAIN, STREET TREES ALONG, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND THE COMMERCIAL OUTLETS, UH, ALONG WITH THAT, UH, INTERIOR TREE LAWN, OR SORRY, WALKING TRAILS.
SO KIND OF THE, UH, LANDSCAPE DETAIL.
THIS IS THE BOULEVARD COMING IN.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION.
UH, THIS IS THE TYPICAL LOT LAYOUT HERE, SCREENING FOR THE DUMPSTERS AND OF YOUR CORNER ENTRANCES.
UM, SO IT'S DESIGNED TO BE ATTRACTIVE, UH, GATEWAYS AS YOU ENTER HERE ARE THE, UM, RENDERINGS OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
THERE, THERE IS AN ATTACHED PRODUCT, UM, SIMILAR TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE LAST, UM, THERE TRIPLES NOT DOUBLES.
SO AS WE MOVE ON TO THE CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, SO THE APPLICABLE CHAPTERS ARE 1171, THE GENERAL PROVISIONS, UH, 1179, THE PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT, UH, AND THEN SCIENCE, BASICALLY, I'M ONLY GOING TO HIT THE ONES THAT, THAT HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS.
I THINK I ADDRESSED THEM ALL ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT FOR THIS, I THOUGHT THIS LAST CASE WOULD GO LONGER.
SO THIS IS, UH, MORE OF ABBREVIATED.
UM, THE, IN THE SITE IN THE STAFF REPORT, ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO ELIMINATE FIVE PROPOSED USES FROM THE COVENANTS, UM, IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UM, WE'RE FINE WITH THOSE USES, UH, REMAINING FOR THE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT, THAT FRONT, UM, FRANCE, I'M SORRY, ULTRA PIKE.
UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS, UM, WITH, UH, THE MIXED USE REGULATIONS.
ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT THE GARAGE OPENINGS, UH, BE SET BACK AT LEAST 20 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SIDEWALK IS USABLE AND THAT CARS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE AREN'T HANGING OVER, UH, INTO THE, INTO THE SIDEWALK AREA.
AND LIKE I SAID, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT APPLICANT, WE WERE OKAY WITH THOSE PROPOSED USES AS SUBMITTED FOR THE OUTLETS ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED ON A WELL-TRAVELED THOROUGHFARE, UH, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE, UH, TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN CARRIAGE HILL TO THE EAST.
UM, THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF THIS LAND IS DEDICATED TO RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, WHICH ARE ADJACENT LARGELY TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, THE COMMERCIAL OUTLETS, WHICH WILL BE THE MORE USE INTENSIVE AREA ARE APPROPRIATELY ALIGNED, UH, AND LOCATED ALONG EXECUTIVE, UH, BOULEVARD.
THE OPEN SPACE IS SIGNIFICANT, UM, 46 AND A HALF PERCENT ROUGHLY.
UH, AND THEN THE STORM BASINS, I HAD MENTIONED THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE WET BASINS, WHICH SHOULD BE PROVIDING ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPE AMENITY, TALKED ABOUT THE TWO ENTRANCES, SO THEY ARE SPACED APPROPRIATELY.
UM, SO THERE SHOULD BE LITTLE, UH, TRAFFIC CONFLICT, UM, AS, UH, AT THE, UH, CONFLICT POINTS, THEY ARE PROPOSING A LARGE TRAIL NETWORK, WHICH WILL BE A NICE AMENITY FOR THE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION AND THEN THE, UM, PARKING MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS THE, AS YOU RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, YOU FORWARDED A ORDINANCE TO COMMISSION THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, SIDEWALKS TO BE BUILT ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, AS THOSE OUTLETS ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
UH, THE, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT DOES SHOW THOSE, UM, THOSE, UH, THOSE BEING, UH, CONSTRUCTED, SIGNED PACKAGE BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT IT WILL BE AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON SIGNS.
UM, THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE APPROPRIATELY SET BACK 15 FEET FROM EACH OTHER BUILDING, UH, AS REQUIRED BY CODE THE PLANS, UH, INDICATE A MIXTURE OF BOTH DECORATIVE AS FAR AS SITE LIGHTING, UH, INDICATE A MIXTURE OF DECORATIVE LIGHT POLES, AS WELL AS, UH, WALL SCONCES FOR, UH, FOR THE LIGHTING OF THE OPEN AREA IN THE STREETS.
UM, TRA TRASH RECEPTACLES WILL BE FULLY ENCLOSED.
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THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE IDENTIFIED USES YET.UM, BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE WILL COME IN AS PART OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UM, REVIEW AS, UH, AS A USES ARE IDENTIFIED, THE AREA IT'S NOT INCOMPLIANT WITH TECHNICALLY IS, UH, THE LANDSCAPING BUFFERING, UH, ON THE NORTH END.
SO THERE IS A NON-RESIDENT, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, ON THESE, UH, PARCELS UP HERE, BUT THESE ARE VERY, VERY DEEP PARCELS.
UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE LAWN THAT IS WITHIN THE PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE SITE, THE CODE REQUIRES A SIX FOOT HIGH LANDSCAPE, A MOUND ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE NORTH AREA.
I PER I IT'S OUR VIEW THAT THAT WOULD DO MORE DAMAGE AND PROVIDE LESS BUFFERING AND SCREENING THAN CURRENTLY EXISTS.
THIS IS ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET OR SO TO THE BACK OF THIS GARAGE.
THERE'S EXISTING TREE STAND, OR THERE'S AN EXISTING LINE OF TREES THAT GO THE ENTIRE SPAN, THE ENTIRE NORTHERN EDGE OF THIS SITE.
UH, SO STAFF FEELS THAT, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE ALL THOSE TREES TO BUILD A MOUND, TO PUT MORE TREES IN.
UH, SO, UH, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE SITE, UM, THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, THE SCREENING IS A MIXTURE OF EVERGREEN AND ORNAMENTAL TREES.
THERE'S NO MOUNDING OR FENCING REQUIRED THERE.
THE COMMERCIAL OUTLETS WILL BE REVIEWED AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE, UH, AND THEN STREET TREES ARE INCLUDED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND STREET TREES WILL BE REQUIRED ALONG EXECUTIVE AS THOSE COMMERCIAL LOTS ARE DEVELOPED.
SO, UM, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, UH, THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS BE SET BACK THE GARAGE PHASE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS BE SET BACK AT LEAST 20 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK WA THE ENGINEERING ONCE A WATER MAINS AND SEWERS TO BE BUILT TO CITY STANDARD AND WITHIN EASEMENTS, UH, AT SOME POINT THE SHALL SUBMIT A SIGNED PACKAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 1189, AND THEY WILL COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
LET ME GET BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, THE ONE AREA THAT I THINK AS WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE IS AN INTERIOR WALKING TRAIL HERE.
WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT OF, OF DEALING WITH THE COMMERCIAL OUTLETS, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO CONNECT THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE BUILT HERE INTO HERE.
I DON'T SEE A REASON TO HAVE TWO SIDEWALKS EFFECTIVELY 25 FEET APART FROM EACH OTHER.
THAT DECISION DOESN'T NEED TO BE MADE NOW, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR ME? I SEE THAT YOU HAVE A ROAD GOING TO THE NORTH THERE ON THE OTHER RIGHT THERE.
HUH? DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL, UH, BE ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPMENT? THAT IS, THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
SO THIS IS THE ROAD THAT'S PROPOSED AND IT WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING PUBLIC ROAD RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE APPLICANT, ALL OF THESE INTERIOR ROADS ARE PRIVATE ROADS.
THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
AND THAT ONE IS, OR IS NOT, IT IS SO EVERYTHING, THERE IS A PRIVATE ROAD, EVERYTHING HERE THIS WAY, PRIVATE ROADS, THIS IS A PUBLIC ROAD THAT'S CURRENTLY IT'S CURRENTLY IS CURRENTLY, UH, EXCUSE ME, IT'S THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO I KNOW THIS AREA WAS DEEMED AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME LIQUOR LICENSE STILL OUT THERE.
ARE WE ASKING FOR THIS NOT TO BE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WITH THE HOUSING OR, OR IS IT GOING TO REMAIN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PUTTING THE RE THE OUTLETS? OKAY.
SO THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WILL NOT CHANGE.
THIS WILL STILL BE AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
UM, ZOOMING OUT IT UNCOVERED THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT
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ALSO INCLUDES ALL OF THE, THE PARCELS TO THE WEST AS WELL.UM, SO YEAH, THERE WILL BE MORE LIQUOR LICENSE.
I MEAN, BASICALLY THAT JUST ALLOWS ADDITIONAL LIQUOR LICENSES FOR THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THEN WHATEVER GETS DEVELOPED OVER HERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
SO DOES NOT CHANGE THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THAT AT ALL.
UM, YOU'RE ADDING THE 197 TOWNHOUSES IN RED, AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING ALSO SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR RESTAURANTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE RESIDENCE? W WHETHER IN MID SEASON OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, TRYING TO GET OUT AT, YOU KNOW, 10 30, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND PEOPLE WANT TO GET IN, CAUSE THAT CLOSED, THAT ROAD TYPICALLY GETS RIGHT NOW, THEY CLOSE IT DOWN AND THEY HAVE TRAFFIC GOING ONE WAY.
SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO EFFECT? HAS A TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE TO SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT? SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
WELL, WE HAVE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WOULD BE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROSE'S ITS OWN BEAST.
UH, AND SO I THINK IF THAT, IN A WAY SORT OF BUYER BEWARE, UH, THAT, BUT THERE ARE REALLY TWO ENTRANCES HERE, SO, WELL, THREE, SO YOU CAN GET IN BY WORKING, SNEAKING YOUR WAY BACK THIS WAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RESIDENCE, OR, UH, YEAH, DURING THE HIGH PEAK PERIOD, THIS, THIS MAY BE CHALLENGING AND THERE'S REALLY NO GETTING AROUND THAT.
SO THERE'S BEEN NO CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, THROUGH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT WIDENING EXECUTIVE TO MAKE IT MORE TRAFFIC FRIENDLY, ADDING THE 194 UNITS TO THAT.
THERE ARE NO PLANS TO WIDEN EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
NO, JEFFREY'S WOULDN'T WE TYPICALLY IN A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, IF WE NEEDED TO ADD A LANE THAT WOULD FALL ON PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO ADD THE LANE, WHICH WOULD GET US, I MEAN, ADDING A, WHAT DOES THAT A WEST BOUND LANE FROM THE LIGHT ON EXECUTIVE, OR EVEN FROM LEHMAN ROAD, THERE WOULD GET US PAST THE FIRST TURN IN OF THE ROWS, WHICH WOULD OPEN UP ALL THE ACCESS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTO THE COMMERCIAL STUFF.
AND INSTEAD OF SETTING AND STOPS TRAFFIC AND BEING A DETERRENT FOR THE AREA.
SO THAT HAS NOT COME UP BY EITHER THE APPLICANT OR ENGINEERING HAS NOT BROUGHT THIS UP AS AN ISSUE.
UM, I GUESS MY WORRY IS WHERE WE'RE FIGHTING AN ISSUE ON 2 0 2 NOW THAT WE ALL KNOW, AND THIS IS THE TIME TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ON THIS ROAD AS WE DEVELOP IT WEST, I THINK BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, EVEN THE NEXT PARCEL TO THE WEST, IF WE WERE TO CARRY A LANE THROUGH THIS PARCEL, AND THEN EVENTUALLY IF WE DEVELOP THE NEXT WEST PARCEL, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GET US A THROUGH LANE ALL THE WAY PAST THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
SO I THINK ON PAPER, IT GETS YOU A THROUGH LANE, I THINK IN REALITY, PEOPLE JUMPED THE LINE AND GO TO THE THREE LANE UNTIL THEY CAN'T.
UM, MAYBE WE APPLICANT WITH, I HAD LARGE, LONGER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS SITE THAN I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
SO, UM, THEY, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONES TO ADDRESS THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OKAY.
ON THE DRIVEWAY PART AND A MINIMUM OF 20 FOOT DRIVE, NORMALLY WE'RE 25, IS IT 20? BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLEX, IS THAT WHY WE'RE ABLE TO GO THAT ROUTE? YEAH.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS, THIS FUNCTIONS LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, THERE WOULD, THE 25 FOOT IS, IS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY BACK IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
THE TECHNICALLY ISN'T A REQUIREMENT, UH, WITHIN THE CODE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH IS WHY I'M RECOMMENDING A 20 FOOT MINIMUM, 20 FOOT SETBACK THERE.
IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE ALMOST ALL OF THE, UH, AS, AS THEY'RE CONCEPTUALLY LAID OUT, MEET THAT ALREADY, BUT THEY WEREN'T DIMENSIONED ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE CASE AND THEN THE FOLLOWUP.
SO THE PARCEL EAST OF LEHMAN RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, IS THAT NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD THAT RETENTION POND FROM ACROSS THE STREET? SO THIS RIGHT HERE, SO THIS WOULD BE A NEW RETENTION POND, RIGHT.
BUT THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT THE GAS STATION ON, IS THAT NOT BIG ENOUGH? SO THE, OH, YOU TALKING ABOUT UP HERE? YEAH.
SO THE WATER DOESN'T, YOU WOULD NEED TO PUMP THE WATER, DOESN'T IT, THE GRADE DOESN'T FLOW THAT WAY.
SO PUTTING IT UP HERE REALLY DOESN'T
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HELP.AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT RETENTION POND, BECAUSE IT'S AN EASEMENT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO IS THAT GOING TO FALL ON THE CITY FROM A COST STANDPOINT? SO THE DEVELOPER CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN IN PART OF THE, IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON THE AGREEMENT WITH THAT, THAT ASPECT OF IT, I GUESS.
I MEAN, I GUESS MORE OF A COMMENT AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE THE DEVELOPER DISCUSSION FOR THE GROUP, BUT I MEAN THE LAST I KNEW THIS WAS, WE LABELED IT A CD FOR A REASON TO MAKE IT A DESTINATION VENUE.
I THOUGHT, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT NATIONWIDE, BUT I THINK OF LIKE THE ARENA DISTRICT, WHICH I KNOW WE'RE FAR FROM THE SIZE OF COLUMBUS AND SCALE, I GET THAT.
UM, BUT EVEN IF WE GO DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, CALL IT THE GREEN, WHERE YOU'VE GOT MIXED RESIDENTIAL AND AREAS TO GO OUT AND DO THINGS, THIS TO ME IS MORE LIKE STUFF WE ALREADY HAVE.
I GUESS THAT'D BE MORE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE DEVELOPER IN THAT REGARD.
DO WE HAVE THE USES FOR THE OTHER OUTLETS? I NOTICED THEY'RE NOT LABELED IN HERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHERE I'VE CALLED OUT THE GAS STATION.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER USES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE OTHER, UM, OR TENANTS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE OTHER FOUR LOTS YET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
I'M WITH PRIDE ONE CONSTRUCTION IN HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I SPOKE FOR THE, UH, PROJECT LAST MONTH DURING THE WORKSHOP.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, I'M HERE WITH MY, UH, MY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, CIVIL MANAGER, MYSELF, AND EVEN, UH, ONE OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL MANAGERS.
SO I CAN ADDRESS IT IN YOUR QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO ANY OF THOSE THREE ITEMS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED USES FOR YOUR OUTLETS? WE ARE DEFINITELY FOCUSING ON, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, LIKE A CASUAL SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, OR EVEN THE POSSIBILITY OF A, LET'S SAY FINE DINING, BUT MAYBE A STEP UP FROM A CASUAL, UH, A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, UM, THE PARCEL ALONG A PIKE.
IT DEFINITELY LENDS ITSELF TOWARDS A, UH, I GUESS AN AUTOMOTIVE USE GAS STATION, UH, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT FOR THAT PARCEL ONLY, UH, THE REMAINDER PARCELS ALONG, UH, EXECUTIVE.
WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING MORE AT A, UH, COMMERCIAL USE FROM A, LIKE A SET, LIKE AGAIN, A RESTAURANT OR A CASUAL DINING.
WE DO IDENTIFY WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE, THIS PARCEL BEING ON A PIPE OBVIOUSLY LENDS ITSELF TO BEING MORE ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES.
AND IT IS A, IT'S A MUCH BETTER THAN USE SOMETHING LIKE A GAS STATION OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THIS IS THE ONE WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT OPEN FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THESE REMAINDER WOULD NOT, IF WE CAN PUT A STIPULATION ON THERE ASKING FOR THOSE, BUT HE'S THE ONES WHO SPECIFICALLY, THESE WERE LOWER HOPING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A CASUAL DINING.
UH, I MEAN, I GUESS, CAN YOU GO IN AND ADDRESS THE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT THE LANE ON EXECUTIVE? I MEAN, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO GO THAT ROUTE OR NOT THE LANE ON EXECUTIVE? UM, I LIVE HERE AND I DRIVE THAT PLENTY.
IT'S, I'VE SEEN SEMI TRUCKS PARKED ON EXECUTIVE WHEN THINGS GET BACKED UP AND IT IS AN ISSUE AS WE EXPAND THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FIX 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
WELL, THE, UM, IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE ROSE.
I DID NOT, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THEY CLOSED THE ROAD DOWN FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UM, THE DIFFICULT PART ABOUT THAT IS THAT I HAVEN'T DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY IN A LONG, LONG TIME.
UH, I USED TO, BUT, UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY CALCULATE THAT THAT'S NOT A NORMAL USE IF SOMEONE SHUTS A ROAD DOWN, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, HOW YOU CALCULATE THAT.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT CALCULATIONS TO FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT.
SO IT, IF, IF IN THE ROSE GETS A PERMIT TO SHUT THE ROAD DOWN, IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? THE CITY GOES, POLICE GO IN AND PUSH TRAFFIC OUT.
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DAYS OF THE CONCERT OF GOING IN, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS COMING TO PULL TRAFFIC AGAIN, IF IT'S TAGGED AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.I, I THINK THAT MEANS THE CITY'S PLAN IS ULTIMATELY TO HAVE NOT JUST THE ROADS, BUT HAVE A NUMBER OF EVENTS OR ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA.
AND, AND, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND INSENSITIVE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY PART, BUT WHATEVER IT SAYS ON PAPER IS ONE THING I'M TALKING ABOUT IN REALITY, WHAT I SEE WHEN I GO THERE AND WHAT I SEE WHEN I GO TO 2 0 2 IS MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO FIND A WAY TO REPAIR OR FIX THE TRAFFIC LOG JAMS IN 2 0 2.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND SAYING, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS PART THROUGH WHILE WE HAD THE CHANCE, BECAUSE FOR ME, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU, I BELIEVE WE NEED THE LANE AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE LANE, I BELIEVE WE NEED THE SETBACKS ON THE PROPERTIES TO LEAVE ROOM FOR THE LANE IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO REWORK STUFF LIKE WE ARE ON TO GO TO.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU'RE, THERE'S A PROBLEM NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT IS W WELL, THAT IS, THAT IS A KIND OF A SHORTCUT FROM THE BRAND OR BRAND TO OLD TROY AND TRYING TO BYPASS A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S CURRENTLY.
SO PEOPLE ARE USING THAT AS A, AS A THOROUGHFARE TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF TOWN TO THE NEXT.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD, YOU KNOW, THE 197 UNITS ON A TWO LANE ROAD WITH THE TOP OF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONCERTS ON TOP.
NOW, GRANTED, THE CONCERTS ARE ALL YEAR LONG.
THEY HAVE A SEASON, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN THE TRAFFIC ON OLD TROY AND THEY NEED TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.
IT IS IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY STRANGE SITUATION.
I MEAN, TO HAVE AN, AN EVENT CENTER LIKE THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THE ROSE WOULD BE WHAT, SOMETHING, THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS AS WELL.
UM, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE SHUTTING A ROAD DOWN FOR ANYTHING THAT I'M DOING NOW.
WELL, THEY DO WHAT THEY DO IS YOU CAN SIT IN THAT TRAFFIC.
BUT THEY LET THE CONCERT GOERS OUT IN, IN BULK AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO LET A FEW MORE CARS AND THEN THEY'LL OPEN IT UP AGAIN FOR THE CONCERT GOERS.
THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM AND IT WORKS.
AND IT'S NOT LONG TERM THAT THE ROAD IS CLOSED, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY TRYING TO COME HOME AT 10 30, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE ROWS THERE, OR YEAH.
OR FIVE 30, WHEN PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO PACK INTO THE ROWS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONGESTION THERE.
AND YEAH, I UNDERSTAND BUYER BEWARE, BUT IS IT, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED WHEN SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO BUY A UNIT OR RENT A UNIT IN THAT SECTION, IF THEY'RE, ESPECIALLY, IF THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HUBER HEIGHTS IN THE ROSE CENTER DOES.
CAUSE YOU HAVE ALL, WE'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IN CONCERT NIGHT, TJ CHUMPS PACKED PARKING IN THE GRASS.
PARKING IS, YOU KNOW, THEY PARK AT THE ROWS, THEY WALK OVER A PARK, CHUMPS IT'S PACKED.
SO, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF MYERS ON THAT END BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO OUT ON THE ENTRANCE OF BRANT.
THEY CAN'T GO OUT AND MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN.
SO THAT BRAND IS A RIGHT HAND TURN ONLY.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF MEYERS TRYING TO GO LEFT OR RIGHT TO, OKAY.
SO I'M KEVIN BROCOM WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TOO.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THIS CONCERN TOO, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCERN TO DISCUSS.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE HAD REALLY GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH BRIAN CHESKY AND THE STAFF AND AARON TOO.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD TALK THROUGH THIS THROUGH, UM, I HAVE SOME, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHERE THE ROAD WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADD IT AND HOW IT INTERPLAYS WITH OUR, WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME, SOME POSSIBILITIES TO DO HERE.
WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENSION OF, UH, THE, UH, CRA THAT'S COMING DOWN THE STREET.
AND SINCE THIS WOULD SERVICE THE GREATER AREA HERE, MAYBE THERE'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE WITH THE CITY ABOUT HOW WE USE THAT TOOL, UH, TO HELP, UH, PUT THIS IN AND ADDRESS IT.
NOW WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE A GOOD DEVELOPMENT HERE TOO.
YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU LIKE THIS, IF IT WAS US OR SOMEBODY ELSE PUTTING OUR IMPACT AT 197 UNITS AFFECTS THAT.
BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY SHUTTING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF PREEXISTS US A LITTLE BIT, SO I DON'T WANT TO BEAR THE FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF IT, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE CREATING A PRETTY GOOD VALUE HERE WITH THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE CRA, THERE IS A TOOL THERE, WHICH WE COULD USE TO HELP FUND AND DO THIS IMPROVEMENT.
NOW WHILE THE TIME IS RIGHT TO DO IT, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THIS.
AND THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW TO YOUR POINT, HAVE TO TEAR UP THE ROAD IN FRONT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT TO DO IT.
SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A, A GOOD CONVERSATION.
OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH, UH, WITH BRIAN AND THE GROUP HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD SO FAR, AND WE'VE BEEN PROBLEM SOLVING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED WITH ALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN WE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND HOW WE WANTED TO DRAW EARRINGS.
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SO WE ADDED ALL THIS KIND OF WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE LIKE SERVICE AND ENTERTAINMENT RETAIL ON THE FRONT.AND THAT CONVERSATION WENT REAL WELL TOO.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
UM, I, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY IN OUR BUDGET TO PAY FOR, UH, AN ADDITIONAL LANE IN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A SOLUTION HERE WITH THE EXTENSION, THE CRA THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT AND FUNDS THAT WE COULD USE WHEN WE, WHEN WE CAPITALIZE THOSE, UH, UH, THAT, THAT A PAYMENT THAT COMES DOWN TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH EXAMINING.
UM, AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT WITH, WITH BRIAN AND THE CITY ON THAT, BUT THERE'S A TOOL COMING DOWN.
THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BAY MINT, THAT'S COMING DOWN THE STREET AND THEN WE HAVE A DEAL IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR A 50%, UH, PILOT, RIGHT.
BUT THAT LEAVES 50% OF THE REVENUE COMING DOWN FROM THE CRA.
AND WE'VE MADE A CONVERSATION WITH BRIAN SAID, HEY, WE'VE GONE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO JOB CREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT AND RETAIL ACROSS THIS THING.
UM, IT'S ADDED COST TO OUR PROJECT, BUT WE DO HAVE A TOOL THAT I THINK COULD BE TAPPED TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IN SOME WAY.
SO I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE CONVERSATION TO HAVE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUR APPROVAL.
SO IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO, UH, WORK TOGETHER TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITH THE TOOLS WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, I THINK WE'D BE WILLING TO DO IT.
JUST QUICKLY SCALING THE DRAWING.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH, RIGHT-AWAY EXISTING FOR ANOTHER LANE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, BUT I THINK AS WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAGE, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY DEDICATIONS, THAT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE ON THAT NORTHERN PART OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT.
WE CAN FIT IT IN IF WE NEEDED TO.
AND I THINK ALSO I'D LIKE TO TALK TO, UH, TOGETHER WITH WHOEVER, UM, UH, EXECUTES THIS ROAD CLOSURE TOO.
CAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE, IS LAYMAN LAYMAN COMING IN THERE.
AND, AND HOW WE WANT TO DIRECT PEOPLE UP IN THERE THAT, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX ALL LIKE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC WHEN THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO PROBABLY WANT TO GET WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DO, UM, THE TRAFFIC DIRECTION AT THE END OF THE CONCERT, OR EVEN AT THE BEGINNING, LIKE THEY WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE CONES OUT ALONG THERE.
UM, IT'S A PRETTY BIG VENUE, UM, AND DRAWS A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHICH IS GOOD, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN GET SOME NICE, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL, THE EATERIES, UM, AT THE FRONT, IF YOU CAN GET MORE UPSCALE THAT WILL DRAW, THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU TREMENDOUSLY WITH THAT.
SO I THINK, UM, TAKING THIS KIND OF AN ISOLATING THIS, SO WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT RIGHT.
WITH THE CITY THAT KIND OF LAYS OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, I THINK IT STARTS WITH LIKE, WHAT DO WE PHYSICALLY WANT TO DO AT THE SITE? AND THEN, UM, GETTING A COST ON THAT AND THEN COMPARING IT TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WITH OURS BEING A SINGLE SOURCE FINANCING, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE FINANCE THE DEAL TO TRY AND CREATE A POT OF MONEY TO DEAL WITH THIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT WILL GET US.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SOLUTION OR MORE MEANINGFUL, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE KIND OF THIS UNTAPPED PIECE OF THE DEAL HERE, WHICH COULD SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE, MIGHT HAVE A SOLUTION OR PARCEL SOLUTION IN PLACE.
SO WHAT WE WOULD ASK IS ONCE WE FIGURE THIS OUT PHYSICALLY AND COSTS, WE COME BACK AND I KNOW WHEN I TALKED TO BRIAN, HE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THIS WOULD BE A NEW ABATEMENT OR HE THOUGHT IT WAS EASIER TO EXTEND THE EXISTING ONE AND THEN APPLY THE PILOT TO IT.
MAYBE WE REDIRECT THE REMAINING PILOT TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING HERE.
IF THIS IS GOING TO BE BUILT IN PHASES, WHICH END WILL YOU START? UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY BUILT IN, IN PHASES FROM A, UM, SO I ALWAYS BE CAREFUL WITH THIS BECAUSE PHASING MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO ERIC, MY GOOD FRIEND IS A CIVIL ENGINEER WHO TALKS TO UTILITIES AND, UM, AND ELECTRICAL PEOPLE I'M IN FINANCE AND DEVELOPMENT.
I TALK TO BANKS, RIGHT? SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE DOING A SINGLE SOURCE FINANCING HERE.
AND THEN IT'S THE ONE WE CLOSE AND WE START THE WHOLE, THING'S GOING TO GET BUILT.
ERIC WORKS IN LOOPS AND FIRE LIFE AND SAFETY.
SO PHASING MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO HIM, BUT WE ARE STARTING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT.
OR ACTUALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STARTING FROM THE AUSTRALIA FROM A, FROM A UTILITY STANDPOINT, IF THAT'S WHY PROPERLY, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH FORCED TO COME THROUGH HERE.
BUT I KNOW JUST BY WORKING THROUGH THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND THE FIRE, DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE THIS LOOP IN.
SO KEVIN'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THIS IS NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE LIKE A MOMENT IN TIME WHEN IT'S SHUT DOWN.
AND THEN WE GOT TO DO THIS WORK.
THIS ENTIRE AREA IS GOING TO BE MASQUERADED.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING MOST LIKELY FROM THIS AREA AND WORKING THROUGH BACK
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IN HERE TO CONNECT THIS.AND THEN WE WILL BE LEASING UP UNITS DURING CONSTRUCTION.
IT WILL, IT WILL, IT WILL MOVE FORWARD FROM OUTSIDE LOOKING IN AND IT'LL LOOK LIKE ONE BIG PROJECT.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL STANDPOINT, TWO THIRDS, THIS WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLETED IN ORDER FOR YOUR INSPECTORS TO ALLOW.
WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE FROM START TO FINISH? UH, WE HAVE A, WELL, MY CONSTRUCTION TEAM WILL TELL ME 26 MONTHS AND I WANT HIM TO TELL ME 24.
SO SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE, THERE'S UP.
UH, I'M JUST VOICING A CONCERN OF MINE, UH, ON THE OUTLETS, THE FIVE OUT LOTS, MAINLY THE FOUR INTERIOR ONES.
UM, TO ME, WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT BECOMES A MAJOR, UH, LIMIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT SEATS MORE AND YOU NEED MORE PARKING, UH, EXAMPLE ROADHOUSE, UM, REQUIRES A LOT OF PARKING THERE.
UM, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TO YOU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH REALLY SPACE, BECAUSE IT MAY LIMIT YOUR POOL OF, UH, UH, PEOPLE WANTING TO TAKE IT.
CAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE THE SIZE OF RESTAURANT THEY WANT AND THE PARKING THAT'S NEEDED TO GO WITH IT.
I DON'T, I, I DON'T, CAN'T TELL BY THIS, BUT YET IT'S JUST A CONCERN.
SO, UM, THESE, THIS IS, UH, UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW POTENTIAL PEOPLE.
SO WE DO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN LIKE THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, AND WHEN WE TALKED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF ABOUT HOW WE'RE SUBMITTING THIS IN SEGMENTS, SO WE'RE GETTING OUR SITE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL APPROVED.
NOW WE'RE GETTING OUR ZONING FOR EVERYTHING APPROVED.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT THEN EACH PARCEL.
SO THOSE, THOSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE, UH, ON THE PLAT, THE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS FOR THE OUTLETS YET.
SO AS WE GET EACH ONE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYBODY AND WE ALWAYS, EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THIS IS BEST SUITED TO BE SIT DOWN, RESTAURANT AND SERVICE CONCERT, PROUD.
BUT THESE LINES, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE KIND OF SITS WHERE IT IS, BUT OVER HERE WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY, LIKE THIS BLIND DOESN'T EXIST.
THIS IS ONE PARCEL RIGHT NOW WE SHOW IT LIKE THIS TO SHOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, LIKE IF THIS NEEDS TO GET A LITTLE LONGER AND WE NEED TO MOVE THIS LINE OVER, AND THEN WE USE THIS FOR SOMETHING SMALL HERE, I THINK AS AARON INDICATED, WE'LL BE BRINGING THE OUT PARCELS TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
SO WHATEVER, WHEN WE DO HAVE THAT USER AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER THIS WINDS UP BEING 4,000 OR 6,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT DEAL WITH THAT APPROPRIATELY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE SAME THING THAT YOU GOT IN REQUIRE ENOUGH SPACE THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF ZONING FOR EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WE'LL DO INDIVIDUAL SITE PLAN APPROVALS REACH OUT FOR.
ONE OF THE THING WAS YOU HAD, HE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, THE WALKWAY FROM, UH, NOT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT, SO THERE'D JUST BE ONE WALKWAY FROM THE, THE TWO ALONG THAT ROAD THERE.
AND SO I JUST WANTED, UH, AGAIN, FIRST FOR ME THAT I'VE HEARD OF THIS, UH, POTENTIAL ITEM, BUT CERTAINLY LIKE OUR, OUR, OUR RELATIONSHIP IS SOMEBODY HAS AN IDEA.
WE ALL EXPLORE IT TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS BEST.
UM, NOBODY LIKES THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE, BUT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IT'S SERVING RIGHT.
IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVING PEOPLE WALK DOWN FROM WHERE DO WE WANT PARK, IF PARK VIEW, PEOPLE WANT TO WALK DOWN, DO THEY WANT TO WALK INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT? ARE THEY GOING TO FEEL WEIRD ABOUT THAT? OR DOES IT SEEM STRANGE TO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING 25 FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER? SO I THINK THAT IT MERITS A LOOK.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE WANT EVERYBODY TO DO IS FEEL COMFORTABLE.
RIGHT? WE WANT PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT INVADING OTHER PEOPLE'S PRIVACY.
AND THEN WE WANT PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO FEEL LIKE THEY GOT SOMETHING IN THEIR OWN, BUT IF WINDS UP NOT MAKING SENSE, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL FIX IT.
AND ALSO THAT WE HAVE COME UP AGAINST SITUATIONS LIKE THIS BEFORE ON PROJECTS WE'VE DONE WHERE WE DO TIE WHAT I'LL SAY OUR, OUR, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL LOOP, WE'LL TIE IT INTO A PUBLIC WALK, YOU KNOW, AT, AT DIFFERENT POINTS.
IT'S IT BECOMES AN AMENITY OF SORTS.
PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
SO IT'S, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ENVISIONING HERE AND WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
AND MINE WAS ALSO FROM A COST STANDPOINT.
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SIDEWALKS THAT CLOSE TOGETHER, MR. JEFFRIES.SO ON THE LANE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S NOT JUST, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT IT'S, AS WE EXPAND ON THE ROAD, I WOULD ASK THAT OF ANYBODY THAT'S STANDING THERE REGARDLESS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, I'VE LIVED HERE AND I DRIVE IT.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE THROWING JUST ON, ON THIS ONE.
AND WHOEVER COMES TO THE NEXT PARCEL TO THE WEST, IT'S GOING TO GET THE SAME THING, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT WE LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, IN, IN REALITY FOR ME, I CAN TELL YOU MY, I GUESS MY CONCERN AT THIS POINT, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A VOTE TONIGHT ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN, THAN TABLING IS IF WE HAVE THE CRA MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT CAN BE WORKED OUT ON THAT, IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON IT, TO ME, THIS FEELS A LOT LIKE THE TAYLORSVILLE, BROADREACH ONE WHERE WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD UNDER CONCEPTUAL.
AND THEN WHEN IT CAME BACK TO US FOR DETAILED IT'S, WELL, IT'S TOO LATE TO MAKE CHANGES.
SO I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER TABLE AND GET THE INFORMATION TONIGHT THAN ACTUALLY VOTE BECAUSE OF THAT.
I CAN, MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS, I THAT'S ME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY ELSE FEELS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I WANT IT TO BE FAIR WHILE THEY'RE UP HERE.
WHICH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ARE YOU? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU FOR ME, IF, IF THAT EXTRA LANE IS NOT IN THERE, I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME VOTING.
PERSONALLY, JUST BECAUSE I GUESS I'VE SEEN IT.
AND I HOPE THAT ALL OF THE EXPANSION OVER THERE IS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, WHICH IS GOING TO MEAN WE HAVE EVEN MORE NEED FOR THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN OF THAT TRAFFIC FLOW AS WE DEVELOP WESTWARD.
AND IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE LISTENING.
AND I KNOW IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK THIS OF ALL OF YOU GUYS, BUT IN AN IDEAL WORLD, I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER TO LANE SO WE CAN MAKE IT FOUR LANES WIDE.
NOW, PERSONALLY, THAT'S I KNOW THAT'S UNREALISTIC TO ASK OF, OF THE DEVELOPER AS THEY DEVELOP THEIR PARCEL THAT'S AS WE DEVELOP THIS PIECE, I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY, AT LEAST MY OPINION.
AND AGAIN, AT THAT COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT'S GONNA MAKE THE ULTIMATE CALL.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE IS, I MEAN, I WOULD PREFER TO HEAR, I GUESS, FROM COUNCIL, WHAT THE CD CONCEPT ACTUALLY IS, UH, BECAUSE I'VE, I ENVISIONED MORE OF A DESTINATION TO PULL PEOPLE TO NOT PRIMARILY HOUSING WITH A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS OUTSIDE.
SO IF, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTIONS ARE TONIGHT.
SO I THINK THE ONE THING ABOUT THE AMENITY ABOUT THE HOUSING IS YOU'RE ALSO THEN CREATING A DEMAND A YEAR ROUND DEMAND FOR THOSE OUT PARCELS, OR AT LEAST CONTRIBUTING TO THAT YEAR AROUND DEMAND THAT, AND NOT BEING DRIVEN BY THE 25 EVENTS AT THE ROSE OR WHATEVER THE PROGRAMMING IS.
SO IT DOES HELP CREATE THAT MORE OF A 24 OR 18 HOUR DESTINATION FOR IT, FOR THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WE CAN ACCOMMODATE FOUR LANES AS IS, UM, I GUESS W W BUT THAT HASN'T COME UP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH ENGINEERING ABOUT THE NEED, BUT SURE.
I KNOW I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE PRELIMINARY LAST MONTH AS MY PRIMARY CONCERN.
SO THAT, WELL, I, I WOULD SAY, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING TO WILL, WOULD, COULD, WOULD LOOK AT THE SITE IF THE, UM, CRITICAL MASS WASN'T BEHIND IT, UH, JUST BASED UPON THE ROWS AND BEING ACROSS FROM MEYER JUST YET.
SO I THINK, I THINK AARON'S RIGHT, THAT THOSE TWO THINGS DO WORK IN CONCERT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED, IF WE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO LOSE TIME ON THIS, SO THAT'S NOT OUR PREFERENCE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE CITY IS, UH, WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THE VALUE, WE'RE CREATING THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE CRA, UH, TOWARDS THIS SOLUTION, I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBTS THAT UNLESS IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING ON OUR SIDE, RIGHT? THE CRA DISCUSSIONS AND BACK FUNDING OR WHATEVER, BUT WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE WITH US, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION TODAY IS, UM, THE REZONING TO, UH, PLAN MIXED USE.
AND THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OUTLINE OF THE MIX OF LAND USES OF RESIDENTIAL AND THE VARIOUS COMMERCIAL LAND USES.
JUST TO BE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THIS, YOU ARE NOT SURE IF, UH, ABOUT THE CRA OR THE PILOT, EITHER ONE, WELL, IT'S NOT MY MONEY TO SPEND, RIGHT? SO IT'S TO CITY MONEY.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO ADD A ROAD TO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? IT HASN'T COME UP IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, HASN'T COME UP THE ENGINEER'S REPORT.
HASN'T BEEN ASKED OF US BY THE STAFF OR THE ADMINISTRATION, MY POINT THAT WE HAVE A CRA THAT WE'RE EXTENDING AN EXISTING ONE, RIGHT.
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THAT HAS IT'S A TAX ABATEMENT, RIGHT.THAT'S BEING EXTENDED DOWN OVER OUR PROPERTY.
WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET 50% PILOT BACK THAT 50% PILOT BACK COULD BE USED TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT SERVES THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR.
SO MY POINT IS, YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE THE SOLUTION IN YOUR HAND TO FIX THIS PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, BUT IT'S THE CITY'S DECISIONS.
SO WHEN I SAY, I'M NOT SURE IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T MAKE THE DECISION.
AND, AND THAT WE'RE PROBABLY IN ABOUT THE SAME SITUATION.
IT'S NOT OUR DECISION, IT'S THE CITIES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ASKING, LIKE AARON SAYING, WE'RE ASKING THEM FOR APPROVAL OF OUR ZONING SO THAT WE CAN KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON A PROJECT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE THIS.
UM, CAUSE THIS IS, THAT ISN'T EVEN REALLY A DEVELOPER PROJECT.
IT WOULD BE, NO, IT WOULD LARGELY BE, I THINK, FALL ON US BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY WARRANTS, UM, IT TO FALL ON YOU.
UM, AND, AND I THINK AT THE DETAILED, I, I'M NOT, I WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF, OF, OF COMMISSION'S CONCERNS AND DEVELOPER'S CONCERNS.
IF WE NEED TO DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY, WE CAN DO THAT AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE FOR EACH OF THOSE OUT PARCELS AND THE SMALL AREA FRONTAGE ALONG EXECUTIVE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT THERE IS ROOM TO DO THAT IF IT'S AT THE DETAILED PLAN PLAN STAGE, IF, IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT I, MY, MY POOR ENGINEERING SKILLS, UM, INDICATE THAT I DON'T THINK ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY IS GOING TO BE NEEDED.
BUT AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, EVEN IF, IF THIS PASSES, WE WERE STILL MY POINT, I GUESS, THE ROUND CIRCUITOUS WAIT RATE A WAY TO GET THERE IS WE DON'T, UM, LOCK OURSELVES OUT OF THAT POSSIBILITY BY APPROVING THE BASIC REZONING, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE CAN STILL GET TO, TO A YES OR WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO, OR NOT AS THIS MOVES FORWARD.
SO JUST SO MY CONCERN WITH WHY THIS IS SUCH A CONCERN, ALL RIGHT, THIS FEELS A LOT LIKE THE BROAD REACH PLAN TO ME ON OUR SIDE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN.
SO THIS IS A LOT OF THAT SAME TALK.
AND THEN WHEN DETAILS CAME AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS, IT WAS WELL WE'RE PAST THAT STAGE.
THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL'S VOTED ON.
THIS IS WHAT STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE VERY CLEAR.
SO NO ONE SCREAMED SURPRISE AT THE END, IF THERE ARE ANY REAL HANGUPS, WHETHER IT BE PARKING TRAFFIC, THAT LANE ON EXECUTIVE AT THE LAST STAGE, THAT ALL MY GOSH, THIS IS A SURPRISE.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE SURPRISED IF THE TALK OF A NO-VOTE AT THE DETAILED PHASE COMES UP, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I UNDERSTAND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OH, LAST YEAR, SORRY.
THE RETENTION POND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDES THAT THERE IS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
WHOEVER USES IT IS SHERIFFS IN THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.
SO IT'S, USER-BASED MAINTENANCE LIKE IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I'M SORRY, STEVE.
MASSENGILL, I'M A RESIDENT OF ERA HEIGHTS FROM MY NAME ON HERE FOR STEVE MASSENGILL.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT.
I WOULDN'T MIND ACTUALLY, CAN YOU OWN ONE OF THE UNITS WOULDN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T MIND OWNING ONE.
WHEN I CAME THROUGH TO PLAY A LITTLE GOLF.
UM, HOWEVER I DO OWN THE PROPERTY SITTING BEHIND IT.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP.
I'VE WORKED ON DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST AND ARE KIND OF SIMILAR TO THIS AND I'VE LIVED IN THEM AND I LOVED THEM.
UM, I LIKE THE, ALL THE BILLINGS ON, ON THE OUTCROP.
I'D LIKE TO PUT A BAR IN ONE, MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO BRIAN WRIGHT OR AARON, SORRY, UH, GCI, THIS IS AWESOME TOOL, BUT IT'S A 30,000 FOOT TOOL.
UM, WHAT I'VE LEARNED 30,000 FEET LIT, I MEAN, IT LOOKS PRETTY THINKING, FIGURE THINGS OUT, AND THEN YOU'RE ON THE GROUND AND SOMEBODY'S SHOOTING AT YOU.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES A LITTLE BIT, UM, LEARNED THAT IN MILITARY A LOT, THE PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING THE BUFFER ZONE IN THE REAR IS THE FACT THAT I CAN WALK
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OUT ON MY BACK DECK AND I CAN SEE MEYER FROM MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW.AND BETWEEN THE FALL, LET'S SAY STARTING IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, ESPECIALLY IN OCTOBER, ALL THE WAY UNTIL, PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH FROM NOW.
UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE MEYER FROM MY BACK DECK.
UM, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE INCLUDED, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE PRESERVATIONS WRITTEN CODE FOR THAT, UM, TO HAVE SOME SORT OF BUFFER ZONE PLACED THERE.
UH, AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE OF THE ZONING, WE, WE DO HAVE TURKEYS, A LOT OF TURKEYS AND CHICKENS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'D HATE FOR SOMEBODY TO LIVE IN A NICE PLACE LIKE THIS AND WALK OUT BACK AND SEE A TURKEY WINDOW HEAD OR SIMILAR THINGS GOING ON THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE GOING ON IN A FARM.
I MEAN, AND HONESTLY, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE OPPOSED.
I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT ROADS.
WE JUST MOVED IN LATE LAST YEAR.
SO I DIDN'T EMAIL HIM THE PLACE UNTIL THEN.
LIKE I HAVE NO EMOTIONAL CONNECTION TO THE HOUSE I LIVE IN.
AND I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH IT, PUT A ROAD THROUGH IT, IF THAT WILL HELP YOUR TRAFFIC PLAN, WHATEVER.
UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES IN AMERICA FOR ME TO LIVE AT.
UH, BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE AND WE CAN'T GET THAT BUFFER ZONE, THAT'D BE MY, MY, MY MAJOR CONCERN.
ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS I THINK YOU HAVE A PICTURE ON THE SLIDE.
OH, IT'S UP HERE, UH, BACK TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE ARIEL THE ARIEL.
DO YOU MIND IF I STEP AWAY FROM PODIUM? SORRY.
SO THIS IS WHERE I LIVE, RIGHT? THIS ALL LOOKS GREAT, EXCEPT FOR, BECAUSE THIS BOTTOM LINE WASN'T USED LAST YEAR, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WATER FLOW DOES COME THIS DIRECTION, BUT I'M NOT.
I'M EXPERIENCING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER FLOW.
THAT'S ALREADY GONE UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY LONG.
UM, WE, WE CHANNELED FOR PERSONALLY, UM, AND WE MITIGATED A LOT OF IT.
A LOT OF IT'S COMING FROM UP HERE AND THEN IT'S PULLING UP HERE AND THEN COMING DOWN THE PROPERTY.
WELL, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, THE IT'S A LOT OF WATER FLOW.
I THINK THE ESTIMATE IS TWO INCHES OF RAIN.
OVER FOUR HOURS IS 27,000 GALLONS.
WHEN, WHEN YOU DOWN MY DRIVEWAY, THAT'S STARTING TO COME A HUGE PROBLEM.
UM, I THINK THE BUFFER ZONE COULD REALLY BE USED TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENING IS A LOT OF COYOTES, FOX MINX, RACCOONS, ALL SORTS OF ANIMALS THAT NOT NECESSARILY USING THIS AREA, BUT THEY DO HAVE THIS AREA IT'S GOING TO BE DISPLACED.
SO I MIGHT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS NOT A HUGE PROBLEM.
AND THINK IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO TRAP PER ONE, BUT THE ESTIMATED DEER COUNT FOR WHITE TAIL DEER THAT TRANSIT MY PROPERTY.
UM, X MADE A FOX LOT HARDER TO COUNT 10 TO 12.
UM, BUT TH THEY'RE BACK AND FORTH FROM THE Y OVER HERE.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THIS SIDE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF ADDS UP OVER TIME.
IT'S NOTHING THAT CAN'T BE HANDLED ON OUR END, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AS THINGS NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY FOR SAFETY, I HAVE KIDS AND THEY RUN AROUND THEY'RE IN THE WOODS.
THERE'S CREEKS DOWN THERE, THEY PLAY, YOU KNOW, HOW KIDS ARE.
SO FROM SAFETY STANDPOINT, I THINK THE BUFFER, THE BUFFER ZONE WOULD SERVE NOT ONLY FOR THE PRIVACY OF THE RESIDENTS, LIKE I SAID, NICE DEVELOPMENT GOT NO PROBLEMS WITH YOU PUTTING IT IN ZERO.
I'M NOT GOING TO HELP YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD ME.
MANUAL LABOR QUIT WHEN I RETIRED.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE, AT LEAST THE BUFFERS ON PLACED IN A MOUND, IF YOU CAN, THE TREES THAT ARE THERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE RUNOFF THAT HAS BEEN GOING TO THE NORTH, UM, BECAUSE, AND I'M PRETTY SURE THIS, THIS COMMITTEE HAS PROBABLY ALREADY DEALT WITH IT WHEN THEY PUT IN THE NAME OF THE OTHER COMPLEX, BUT THAT WATERWAY, THAT FLOWS DOWN THROUGH THERE, IT CUTS THROUGH MY PROPERTY, UM, AND RUNS BEHIND, OH GOD.
I THINK THE GRADE WAS, I MEAN, IT VARIES, BUT WE CATCH A LOT OF THAT OVERFLOW FROM THE LEHMAN FARMS FIELD.
AND THE PROBLEM IS IT'S STARTING TO ERODE FOUNDATIONS.
I HAVE, UH, A CONCRETED PULL BARN.
THAT'S WHAT THE, THE WHITE RECTANGLE IS ON THE SPRING, JUST ABOVE THERE.
UM, I'VE ALREADY HAD TO MITIGATE IT AND I'M PUTTING IN A NEW FRENCH DRAIN.
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AS SOON AS ALL THE MATERIALS AND WE'LL JUST SUPPLY SHORTAGE, THE CONTRACTOR'S GOING TO PUT IN A NEW FRENCH DRAIN FOR US.UM, BUT IF THAT'S NOT A DRESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER YEAR AND I COULD BE RUNNING INTO SERIOUS FOUNDATION ISSUES ON THE POLE BARN ITSELF.
UM, THE HOUSE SETS UP PRETTY IN A NICE LOCATION.
SO I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE FOUNDATION THERE.
UM, BUT THE BUFFER ZONE IS JUST A HUGE PART FOR, FOR ME AND MY WIFE, THE KIDS.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK OUT AND SEE PEOPLE SWIMMING IN THE SWIMMING POOL.
Y'ALL, DON'T WANT TO SEE ME WALKING AROUND WITH MY SHIRT OFF OR MY KIDS RUNNING AROUND DOING ALL THE UNGODLY THINGS THEY'RE DOING.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY HUGE CONCERN.
LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE.
I LIKED THE PEOPLE I LIKED GOING TO MEYER MEYER, LIKE THE MEETUP MAN.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I CAN SEE IT FROM MY BACK PORCH.
AND I DON'T THINK NOT HAVING THE BUFFER ZONE IS, IS KOSHER WITH US.
THAT'S IT? I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN BOARD MEETING, AARON, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THE GOOD THIS, SO I CAN ADDRESS THE GRADING ISSUE IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO, UM, THERE'S ABOUT A 10 BULLET DROP BETWEEN HERE AND THE BACK OF HIS, HIS BARN.
SO YEAH, ALL OF THIS HALF ABOUT A THIRD OF THIS FIELD DREAMS OF THIS WAY, UM, THE, THE PROPOSED GRADING PLAN WANTS THIS IS BILL WILL LARGELY ELIMINATE THAT, UH, AND MOVE THAT WATER INTO THE FREE RETENTION SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE ADDRESSED.
AND HOW DEEP ARE THE SETBACKS AGAIN VERSUS CODE? SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET.
HOLD ON THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IS ABOUT $75.
SO DO WE HAVE A ROOM TO PUT THEM OUT AND IN LIKE HE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS IN THE CODE, OR DO WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE WALKWAY AROUND THERE? SO A 6 BILLION ROUND, IT'S GOING TO BE 43, 40 FEET WIDE.
UM, SO THERE'S TECHNICALLY A ROOM, BUT IT DOES IMPACT AT LEAST THIS AREA, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PITCHER.
UM, AND TO BE CLEAR WHAT, I'M NOT, WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS NOT A SIX FOOT BERM RUNNING THE ENTIRE PERIMETER.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR MY PROPERTY, I'M VERY LIBERTARIAN IN THIS.
Y'ALL DO YOU JUST WANT TO DO ME, BUT HAVING THAT BUFFER ZONE THERE FOR MY FAMILY, FOR AS LONG AS WE STAY THERE, I MEAN, THEY COULD WRITE ME A CHECK TOMORROW AND I'D LEAVE YOU.
I CAN PUT A ROAD THROUGH IT, YOU CAN MITIGATE EVERYTHING ALL YOU WANT, BUT WHILE I'M THERE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT AT THAT LOCATION.
AND, AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'S NOT LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AN NECESSARY THING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT ERIN DESCRIBED, UM, AS FAR AS HOW THEY'RE MITIGATING THAT STANDING WATER AND HOW IT FLOWS DOWN MY WAY.
I, I DID NOT CATCH THAT WHEN I WAS READING IT.
UM, BUT IT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A PARTY OF LIFE THING.
I DON'T WANT, I WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
LIKE WHEN THE APARTMENTS CAME IN, WE HAD PEOPLE COME OVER AND THEY WERE GRILLING OUT ON MY NEIGHBOR'S LAWN AND THEN HE KICKED THEM OFF AND THEY CAME OVER TO MINE AND I WAS LIKE, HEY, MAN, I CAN'T HAVE YOU OUT HERE DRINKING.
I GOT ELEMENTARY KIDS SLEEPING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IT WAS NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A POINT OF CONTENTION WHERE PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP AND THEY'RE LIKE, THERE'S
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ANIMALS RUNNING OVER HERE.YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, BUT THAT'S IT.
I SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE CLEAR, NOT THE WHOLE ENTIRE AREA, JUST THAT SMALL LITTLE PIECE OF HEAVEN THAT I GOT.
JUST START BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY, UM, COMPLAIN ABOUT BLOCKING THEIR VIEW OF A MEYER BEFORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR HERE TO DISTURBING NATURAL TREE LINES AND REPLACING THEM WITH MOUNDS AND REPLACING THEM WITH TREES.
AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL TALK TO OUR CIVIL ABOUT THE SELECTIVE PLACEMENT OF SOME TREES, MAYBE IN THIS PARTICULAR PITCH POINT THAT HELPS WITH SOME BLOCKAGE HERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR CLUBHOUSE IS, IS, IS ENCLOSED.
IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND IN THEIR BATHING SUITS FROM THE REAR PROPERTIES.
AND MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES FRONTING SHOAL, WE ACTUALLY STARTED BY LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY.
SO IN SHUL, THERE WERE LIKE 500 FEET DEEP.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT PLAYED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN'T SELECTIVELY PLACE SOME THINGS HERE THAT HELP.
WE DON'T WANT TO EVERY PROPERTY COMING IN AND SAYING, HEY, WE WANT OUR OWN MOUNTAIN TOO.
WHEN WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GETTING A RECOMMENDATION.
DON'T DO A MOUNTAIN FROM AN ACTUAL ENGINEER, BUT I THINK WE CAN TRY TO MAYBE PLOP A TREE, EXTRA TREE OR TWO IN HERE, AND I CAN WORK FROM THE CIVIL STANDPOINT.
AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS TOO.
LIKE THE EXPERIENCES WHEN IT COMES TO MOUNDS.
I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE SUCH A, IT'S A NATURAL FENCE.
IT USUALLY CAUSES DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND I CANNOT STAND HERE TONIGHT AND SAY THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH JUST NATURAL WATER FLOODING YOUR PROPERTY.
I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY CAN MAKE IT BETTER OR WORSE WITH AMOUNT, BUT IT, IT, IT BOTHERS ME TO THINK THAT AMOUNT COULD MAKE IT WORSE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I CAN ALWAYS WASTE MY TOPSOIL.
AND FROM IT FROM A, FROM A SITE STANDPOINT, IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO LOSE IT, BUT IT, IT CAUSES PROBLEMS. UH, BUT LIKE SAID, WE, WE LIKE YEAR-ROUND EVERGREEN SCREENING AS MUCH AS YOU DO.
UM, WE CAN INCREASE SOME EVERGREEN SCREENING IN THAT AREA.
IT, IT HELPS US BOTH, BUT, BUT IT ALSO TO THE IDEA OF CUTTING DOWN TREES TO, TO PUT THEM OUT, LIKE ERIN SAID, IT'S JUST NOT.
I THINK IN THE LONG-TERM, YOU'RE PROBABLY, WE'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF WITH DENSE, UM, UM, VEGETATION RATHER THAN A MOUNTING THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK IT WILL.
I THINK, THINK THE AI, UM, EVERGREEN DENSE, EVERGREEN PLANTINGS AROUND THAT ARE THE BETTER WAY TO GO.
AND THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE DETAILED YUP.
SO TIS IS THE ONLY, UH, PROPERTY NORTH THAT IS APPEARS THAT IS OCCUPIED.
THE REST OF IT APPEARS TO BE VACANT OR NO BUILDINGS.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT ADDING THE ADDITIONAL TREES TO SCREEN HIS PROPERTY AND THEN WE'RE DONE BECAUSE HE WOULD BE LIKE GRANDFATHERED INTO IT AS, UH, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO I, UH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO HELP HIM DOING THAT.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I DON'T THINK A MOUND WOULD BE THE PROPER THING TO DO, BUT THE ADDITIONAL TREES I THINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE THE EVERGREEN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE PORSCHE? SO AARON AS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO AS WE VOTE, HOW DO WE, I GUESS FROM MY SIDE, THE TWO THINGS IS THE ONE THAT'S LITTLE ROAD, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE OTHER THING, AND THIS MIGHT BE, I KNOW MR. WALTON HAD INDICATED THE DESIRE FOR POSSIBLY US TO MEET WITH COUNCIL AT SOME POINT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON CERTAIN THINGS.
UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, IN THIS CASE, I GUESS, HOW DO WE VOTE THIS THROUGH THEM AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS CONFORMING WITH WHAT COUNCIL VIEWS AS THE PURPOSE OF THAT CD.
SO I THINK AS IT'S PROPOSED IT, IT IS IN LINE WITH THE CD.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EVER A DESIRE TO HAVE A DORA OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, THERE AREN'T ENOUGH LIQUOR PERMITS RIGHT NOW TO EVEN PUT THAT TO A VOTE.
UM, SO HAVING THESE OUT PARCELS WOULD ADD TO THAT, UM, THAT CRITICAL, MASSIVE LIQUOR LICENSES THAT ARE NECESSARY.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, I THINK WE'RE ADDING TO THAT YEAR ROUND DENSITY AND, AND ROOFTOPS THAT HELPS DRIVE THE COMMERCIAL
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DEMAND OUTSIDE OF THE CONCERT SEASON.SO I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT THIS CD WAS ALREADY IN PLACE TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR WALKABLE REFRESHMENTS.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON EXTRA, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY INCLUDED FROM MR. SCHUMER'S COMMENTS WHEN IT PASSED, I COULD BE WRONG.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND GOING, YEAH.
SO IT'S THE, THE COMMUNITY ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL LIQUOR LICENSES BEYOND YOUR POPULATION CAP.
THE DOOR IS A SEPARATE, UM, ACTION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH LIQUOR LICENSES THAT THIS QUALIFIES YET, BUT IT WOULD BE, BUT AS FAR AS THE CBD AND ALLOWING ADDITIONAL LIQUOR LICENSES BEYOND THE POPULATION CAP THAT, THAT EXISTS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE USE OF THAT.
INSTEAD OF ADDING MORE RETAIL SHOPS AND FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING OVER ON 2 0 2 ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THIS TO ME, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE VOTE THAT THAT'S, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING NOW, BUT AGAIN, DON'T WANT SURPRISES LATER.
SO I THINK WE'VE, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, THIS PLAN ADDRESSES THOSE CONCERNS.
ESPECIALLY JUST NOT ESPECIALLY LIMITING THE, LIKE THE, THE HEAVY AUTO USES JUST TO THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND SO THE REST WOULD BE NATURALLY MORE OF A ENTERTAINMENT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE.
IT WOULDN'T REMEMBER ORIGINALLY ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS WAS ACTUALLY TO PUT A RESTAURANT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT IS, WHICH WOULD WORK TOO.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S THEIR DEVELOPMENTAL AND STILL NOT BUILD IT JUST ITS RIGHT TURN INTO A GAS STATION, RIGHT.
TURN INTO A GAS STATION, RIGHT.
AS YOU GO DOWN THAT 800 FOOT STRETCH OF ROAD, SINCE THIS IS ONLY REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WOULD IT BE, AND THE, UH, UH, THE NEXT PHASE WHERE WE WOULD TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE EXTRA TREES FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE THAT WOULD COME AND NEXT.
SO, UM, UM, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT OR EXCUSE ME, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADDRESSED AND YOU'LL HAVE A MUCH MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN, GRADING PLAN, ET CETERA, SIGNAGE, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
AND THAT'S ALSO WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE, UH, THE LANE ISSUE.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT OF A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PLAN MIXED PM FOR 35 ACRES AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, PARCEL NUMBER PIECE 70 DASH 0 3 9 1 0 DASH 0 0 0 5 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS CASE BDP 22 DASH 12 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED 29.
I JUST MAKE SURE I HAVE, SINCE IT WAS LEFT OPEN, UM, 3 29, 22, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVED BY MS. VARGO, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MISS SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? THAT'S THOMAS? YES.
WHAT IS NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? SO THE APPLICANT, UH, WELL, WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD TO, UH, TO COUNSEL, UM, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AND DISCUSS THE EXECUTIVE, UH, DRIVING SECOND OF BOULEVARD ISSUES, NEXT ITEM, UH, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
WE HAVE NONE NEXT AFTER THAT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 15TH AND 25TH, UH, 20, OKAY.
15, 20, 22 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WOULD BE APPROVED.
SO, SO BE IT, AND THEY ARE APPROVED.
UM, WE GOT AIR REPORTS IN CALENDAR REVIEW CIRCLE.
YEAH, LET ME REORGANIZE MY STUFF.
SO WE HAVE THREE CASES THAT WILL BE COMING IN, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
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REZONING COMBINED BASIC, WELL, EXCUSE ME, THAT IT'S SINCE CHANGED.SO IT'S A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, IT IS FOR A EMERGENCY, UM, CLINIC, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, THINK OF IT AS A, UH, UH, AN ENHANCED URGENT CARE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR EMERGENCY.
UM, SO IT HAS A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE OFFERED THAN YOUR, UH, THAN YOUR URGENT CARE FACILITIES.
THAT WILL BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, UM, PART OF WHAT IS THE CURRENT RURAL KING PARKING LOT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE COMING IN.
UH, THE SECOND IS A MAJOR CHANGE, UM, FOR, UH, A MAJOR CHANGE IN DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE IN LAUNDROMAT THAT, THAT YOU APPROVED A WHILE AGO.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS CONFUSION WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME.
UM, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN EFFECTIVELY ALLOWS TWO USES.
UH, AND SO ONE OF THOSE USES THE APPLICANT DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANY LONGER.
UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO AMEND FOR A VARIETY OF USES, UM, AND THEN APPROVE THE, AND SUBMIT TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO, UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE PLANS IN DETAIL.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS FOR TWO USES.
UH, AND SO HE WANTS TO BROADEN HIS POSSIBILITY OF, OF TENANTS, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THERE.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY IS ONE OF THOSE THAT I HEMMED AND HAWED, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS EVEN NECESSARY TO BRING TO YOU.
UM, BUT, UH, IT IS A MAJOR CHANGE IN DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, BASICALLY THE TIRE DISCOUNTERS THAT YOU APPROVED IS ADDING A BAY.
UH, SO THE BUILDING IS ENLARGED BY LIKE 800 SQUARE FEET, OR SO IT'S SMALL, THEY'RE MOVING THE PARKING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I THINK THE IMPACT IS MINOR, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S A MAJOR CHANGE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE.
SO IT, OTHER THAN THE BUILDING OF BEING SLIGHTLY ENLARGED AND A COUPLE PARKING SPACES MOVING AROUND, UM, THAT'S IT IT'S DISCOUNT TIME.
WHAT DID I SAY? DISCOUNT TIRE, SAME NAME, SAME COLORS.
THAT'S OFF OF TROY AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT JUST BUILT IT.
AND SO FAR, THAT'S ALL, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
I WANT TO BACK UP TO THE NUMBER TWO, ONE, WHICH PROPERTY WAS THAT ONE? SO IT IS A, UH, ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
IT'S A SMALL CONVENIENCE STORE AND A LAUNDROMAT THAT WAS APPROVED.
IT DOESN'T, I DON'T TRY TO RECALL OUR CONVERSATION, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE LAUNDROMAT ANYMORE.
SO HE WANTS TO HAVE A BROADER USES FOR HIS TENANT SPACE.
AND HE MENTIONED WHAT THAT BROUGHT USE WOULD BE, OR THE TENANT WOULD BE, HE DID NOT.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T CIRCLED BACK WITH THEM YET BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN JANUARY AND THE PLANS JUST NOW GOT SUBMITTED.
SO, UM, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT YET.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. JEFFRIES IS? I APOLOGIZE EARLIER, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT ALREADY, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS TO BRING UP.
UM, SO WITH, AND THIS IS DUE TO, IN PART, THE SETTLEMENT FROM LAST NIGHT ON THE STORAGE UNITS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT? THEY'RE BUILDING THEM.
SO THAT'S FROM THE COURTS THOUGH.
SO BASED ON THAT COURT, THE COURT LAWYERS.
SO ONE THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE STORAGE UNITS AND THE BIG FOOT FRANCE, INDUSTRIAL LOOK, I, IF IT'S OKAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE WOULD ENTERTAIN SENDING THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
ONE WOULD BE TO CONSIDER PUTTING A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON STORAGE UNITS UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE FIT AND PLACEMENT OF THEM.
SINCE I CAN TELL YOU WITHIN MY HOUSE WITHIN THREE MILES NOW THERE'LL BE FOUR OF THEM.
AND THAT'S ABOUT ONE JOB PER UNIT OR PER PER BUSINESS.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IF THE COUNTY, IF THE COMMISSION'S OPEN TO DISCUSSING THE SETBACKS BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHERE THE 50 FOOT SETBACK IS FROM THE RESIDENT IN WINDBROOK
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TO WHERE THIS UP STORAGE UNIT OFFICE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE 50 FEET IS NOTHING AS FAR AS IT SOUNDS FOR NO REQUIRED BUFFERING IN BETWEEN.ALSO THAT PLAN NEVER WENT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT CAME STRAIGHT TO US UNDER A DETAILED, ONLY PLAN, WHICH I DON'T THINK SHOULD HAPPEN AGAIN, BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS ACCESS TO THE MONEY, INFORMATION AND LEGAL OPINION IN THE ROOM STUFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
SO IT WAS JUST INTERESTED ON IF THOSE KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE THINKS COUNCIL SHOULD DISCUSS TO AVOID STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I ASKED HIM.
IT JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION RIGHT AWAY WHEN HE SAID HE HAD SPOKEN TO COUNCIL ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERY CASE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND AS IT TURNED OUT, IT WAS NOT THIS ONE, IT WAS YEARS AGO, BUT ACCORDING TO HIM, BUT STILL, UH, IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT.
SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN US AND COUNSEL AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT PAGE WE'RE ALL ON.
JUST LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST I WAS HEARING OF THE STORAGE UNITS OF THE SURGEON IS THAT THEY'RE GETTING BUILT.
I MEAN, WE UNANIMOUSLY VOTED THEM DOWN AND WE WANT TO CANCEL THAT ONE.
IT WENT, HE WENT STRAIGHT TO THE, STRAIGHT TO THE CIVIL LAWYERS.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE I WOULD SUGGEST AS A PROCESS BEFORE THE WARRIORS GO TO NEGOTIATE AND TRY TO GET CONCESSIONS, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE DONE THEM WELL TO HAVE HAD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETING WITH US SINCE WE WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAD FEEDBACK ON THAT AS FAR AS OPINIONS AND ONGOING MEETINGS, BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY ASKED FOR MORE CONCESSIONS THAN WE GOT.
UH, I KNOW NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.
IF IT HAD GONE TO COUNCIL, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD ALL THEIR DISCUSSIONS AND ALL THAT IN THIS CASE THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, WAS THEY, THEY GO TO AN ARBITRATION BASICALLY IN THE MEDIATOR AND THE MEDIATOR BASICALLY IS TELLING THEM TO BUILD THE UNITS WITH SENNA ROAD ACCESS, I BELIEVE.
UM, BUT THEY DID RESTRICT HOURS.
I THINK SO, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
SO, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT WAS JUST FROM US THAT NEVER WENT TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
SO NEVER HAD LEGAL IN THE ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, AS A CITY, PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THAT AGAIN, AND PROTECT US AS VOLUNTEERS PROTECT US AS WELL AS THEY WERE VOLUNTEERS.
LIKE THEY WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE PILOT PAYMENTS AND CRA THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR WHEELHOUSE, THAT'S OTHER PEOPLE TO DECIDE AND JUST LIKE LEGAL OPINION IN THE ROOM.
SO, UM, THOSE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE OTHER THING HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES, I THINK AT SOME POINT I'D JUST LIKE TO GET IT ON THE RADAR ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE RESIDENT NOTIFICATIONS.
THE WITHIN 200 FEET THING IS MINIMAL.
AND IN THIS CASE ALSO, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCESS POSSIBLY FOR NOTIFICATION OF ADVERSE ACTION.
SO THESE PEOPLE IN WINDBROOK WHO ALL THINK THE STORAGE UNIT WAS VOTED DOWN AND IS NOT HAPPENING, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED IN A HEARTFELT MANNER, NOT A ZONING DEPARTMENT WRITTEN MANNER BEFORE THEY JUST SEE DIRT MOVING OUT THERE WITH A SURPRISE.
I THINK A PROCESS LIKE THAT IS WORTH DISCUSSING.
I STILL THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS IN PLACE, SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY NEEDS TO ACTUALLY REACH OUT AND LET THEM KNOW.
I KNOW WE DIDN'T NOTIFICATION TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS JUST IN A PUD, RIGHT? I KNOW IT GIVES US THE ABILITY AND THIS IS JUST A STATEMENT, NOT A CALL FOR ACTION FROM ANYBODY, BUT IN A PUD, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BE MORE OR LESS FLEXIBLE IN CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I'M GENERALLY NOT A FAN OF LESS FLEXIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO SUE US JUST IN THE FUTURE AS WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DISCUSSIONS.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING GOOD STUFF, JIM? YES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS IS, HOW THAT, WELL, IF WE COULD PASS ON, IF WE ALL AGREE ABOUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL, DISCUSS THE MORATORIUM ON STORAGE UNITS FOR NOW A HALT TO DEVELOPMENT ON NON-RESIDENTIAL AGAINST RESIDENTIAL UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE SETBACKS.
UM, AND IT CAN IMMEDIATELY SKIP THE ABILITY FOR TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO SKIP
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COUNCIL AND GO STRAIGHT TO A DETAILED PLAN.I THINK THOSE, WE CAN SEND UP AS RECOMMENDATIONS AS A GROUP.
AND I DO THINK AT SOME POINT TO TERRY'S POINT LAST, LAST MEETING, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA AT SOME POINT FOR US TO HAVE A MEETING WITH COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON AND A LOT COMING IN FAST.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REASONABLY IN FACING THE SAME DIRECTION INSTEAD OF JUST ASSUMING WE ARE.
AND I, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY FROM THE CITY NOTIFIED US AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS ACTION TOOK PLACE.
SO HOW DID YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'D HEARD IT WAS IN WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS SUNDAY.
AND NOW THERE'S A DECISION MADE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO AT WHAT POINT ARE WE NOTIFIED OF THE DECISION WE MADE IN THE HOURS.
WE SAT HERE, YOU KNOW, BATTLING, THIS IS A NO GO NOW.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BECAUSE I HAD NO, I HAD NO IDEA BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE PART OF THAT DECISION RECORD TO SAY NO.
AND THE REASON I WENT TO THE ATTORNEYS, SO I FEEL LIKE FOR PROTECTION OF THE COUNT OF OUR COMMISSION, WE SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS.
WELL, ANOTHER THING YOU MIGHT ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION SINCE IT JUST CAME UP TONIGHT AND THE TRAFFIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE AND TO ADDRESS IT SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.
AND IF WE CAN GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE, RIGHT.
AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING FORMAL.
LIKE THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND I, IT WAS A WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY TRAFFIC STUDY FOR SOMETHING DEEMED AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE.
THE ROSE IS ONLY A, UH, JUST A FEW MONTHS, BUT IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WE'LL MOVE IN ALSO THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE THE OPPOSITE, UH, SEASON, SEASON.
AND LIKE JIM SAID, WE JUST HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC ISSUE HERE.
WHY ARE WE NOT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WHY ARE WE NOT THINKING LONG TERM WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT? SO I THINK THAT IS A GOOD SEGMENT INTO, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A MORE DISTRIBUTIVE TRAFFIC NETWORK.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A COLLECTION OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT ALL DROP THE TRAFFIC DOWN TO A SINGLE POINT.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES WITH THAT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT IS SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT WITH CUL-DE-SACS IN THE FUTURE, THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, OR SHOULD WE BUILD OUT A BETTER DISTRIBUTED NETWORK THAT ALLOWS THAT TRAFFIC TO DISSIPATE, UH, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
SO IN, IN THAT THEME, SO ON THE PROJECT, THE ADDINGTON PLACE PROJECT TONIGHT, AS WE SEE PROJECTS LIKE THAT COME FORWARD, AND THIS IS BECAUSE BY THE TIME THEY GET TO US, THIS CONVERSATION IS A LITTLE LATE, BUT SHOULD WE BE HAVING A DISCUSSION AS A STAFF OR THE STAFF LEVEL OF IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE ONE TONIGHT THAT IS LANDLOCKED, THAT WE HAVE A TERMINATED DEAD END LATER FOR A POTENTIAL FUTURE EXIT TO CONNECT A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IF IT ARISES BECAUSE I CAN SEE THEIR SIDE OF, WELL, IT MAY NEVER ARISE.
UM, BUT THEN ON OUR SIDE, IF IT DOES SO, AND I DON'T KNOW AT THE STAFF LEVEL WHERE THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT SO WE USUALLY DO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE KNOW, OR WE THINK THERE WILL BE FUTURE PHASES OR WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FOR FUTURE PHASES.
I THINK ADDING TO THEM WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A ONE-OFF BECAUSE AFTER THIS SUBDIVISION, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SEWER CAPACITY TO SERVE MORE SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA UNTIL IT'S SEWER EXTENSION IS, IS CONSTRUCTED.
IT'S IN THE PLANS, BUT IT'S WAY DOWN THE LINE.
UM, SO WHERE, WHERE WE THINK, AND WE HAVE THAT THERE WILL BE, WE DO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TEEING OFF.
UH, I, YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO NOT A HUGE FAN OF, OF PRIVATE STREETS.
THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, DURING THE, UH, DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT LIMITS THE CONNECTIVITY AND A TRAFFIC DISPERSAL OPTIONS.
SORRY TO KEEP YOU ANY INPUT FROM THE CHAMBER MEMBERS.