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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING OF THE CITY,
[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road March 15, 2022 6:00 P.M. ]
HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ORDER A SECRETARY.WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JEFFRIES, MISS OP, MS. THOMAS HERE, MS. FARGO, MR. WALTON.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS, ANY OTHER OPENING REMARKS TO PEOPLE HERE ON THE DIAS? OKAY.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE CITIZENS COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING A WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND TO I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING.
UH, DO YOU HEAR ABOUT YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
I ALSO ASKED ANYBODY COMING UP TO THE TALK TONIGHT, UH, TO SIGN IN ON THE IN SHEET PROVIDED AND GIVE THEIR NAME FIRST ITEM UNDER A PENDING BUSINESS.
THE APPLICANT CARMEN KOLOFF IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC AND DEVELOPMENT RETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AT 58 40 OLD TROY PIKE FOR A USED CAR DEALERSHIP, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 45.
MR. SIERRA, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AARON SWELL WITH COMMUNITY PLANNING INSIGHTS.
I'M THE INTERIM CITY PLANNER FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THIS, AS YOU SAID, IS THERE ANY CASE 2145? UM, YOU HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN AFTER OUR, UH, AFTER OUR LAST MEETING.
AND SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GO OVER THOSE.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION AND THE ZONING OF THE AREA.
I'M GONNA BREEZE THROUGH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS KNOWN.
SO, UH, IT IS A TWO AND A HALF ACRE SITE ZONE PLAN COMMERCIAL.
THE PREVIOUS USE WAS, UM, ESPECIALLY THE AUTO DETAILING SERVICE.
IT WAS HEARD, UH, MOST RECENTLY ON DECEMBER 14TH AND TABLED.
UM, SINCE THEN WE'VE MET WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, THEY HAVE A RE REVISED, UM, THEIR SITE PLAN BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION.
AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT OCCURRED AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, INCLUDING REVISING THE PARKING DESIGNED TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A TRADITIONAL PARKING LOT, INSTEAD OF LOADING ALL OF THE ROWS OF CARS, UH, UP ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, THE REVISED SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE WELL, THE REVISED SITE PLAN HAS THE, UH, THE EXISTING POLE SIGN ADMITTED.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INFORMED ME THAT THAT'S AN AIR AND THAT THE POLE SIGN IS GOING TO REMAIN.
UM, THE SITE PLAN ALSO STILL SHOWS THE SEVEN AND A HALF, UM, FOOT YARD AREA, WHICH SHOULD BE A 15 FOOT.
THE APPLICANT HAS TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS AWESOME ON AIR AND THAT THE DESIGNER, UM, FORGOT TO REMOVE THAT.
AND SO THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THE, YEAH, KEEP THAT 15 FOOT SIDE YARD AS REQUIRED BY THE, UH, THE ZONING CODE.
UM, NO OTHER SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WERE REALLY SUBMITTED.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL WELL ITERATION ONE, UH, FIRST REVISION OF THE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS THAT SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT SIDE YARD THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, IN THE FIRST REVISION, THE APPLICANT PUT, UH, A FOUR FOOT HIGH ROW OF HEDGES TO BUFFER BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE DISPLAY AREA OR PARKING AREA AND THE, UH, THE FUNERAL HOME TO THE NORTH.
UM, DURING OUR DISCUSSION, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THIS LEVEL OF, UM, DENSITY OF PARKED CARS.
UM, SO IT'S SINCE BEEN REVISED SLIGHTLY WELL SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THAT FIRST, UH, UH, REVISION TO BREAK UP THE PARKING LOT IN A, IN A MANNER THAT IS MORE LIKE A NORMAL PARKING LOT WITH A TRAVEL LANE, UH, A SINGLE ROW OF VEHICLES, UM, BACK BEHIND THE 20 FOOT BUILD LINE 25 FOOT BUILD LINE, UH, AND THEN A TRADITIONAL DOUBLE STACKED ROW, LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE IN A, IN A TRADITIONAL PARKING LOT.
AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS TOLD ME BEFORE THE MEETING THAT THE INCLUSION OR OMISSION, I GUESS, OF THIS SIDE YARD, UH, IS AN HEIR AND THAT THEY INTEND TO GO BACK OR KEEP THAT 15.
UM, BUT SIDE YARD THAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING, WHICH MEANS THIS CAR SPACE WILL BE REMOVED.
UM, THIS VERSION SHOWS THE SIGN ADMITTED, BUT IT, THE INTENT IS FOR THEM TO KEEP THE
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EXISTING POLE SIGN.I THINK THERE ARE A FEW OTHER DETAILS THAT WE COULD WORK OUT IN THE, UM, DETAILED DESIGN PHASE, AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THE HANDICAP PARKING.
THESE, THESE AREN'T GOING TO WORK, BUT THESE CAN BE MOVED, UH, TO THE, AROUND THE SIDE, UH, AND STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
UM, IF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S DESIRE IS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH A, AN AFFIRMATIVE, UM, APPROVAL.
SO THOSE ARE THE LARGE, UH, CHANGES WE HAD ALSO DISCUSSED.
UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT, THERE'S REALLY NO LANDSCAPING OTHER THAN THIS BUFFER HAS, HAS, UH, IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
WE HAD DISCUSSED SOME LOW, LOW GROUND PLANTINGS, UH, ALONG, UH, TROY PIKE HERE IN FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE PARKING AREA TO, TO BREAK UP THAT MASS.
UH, AND THEN WE WOULD WANT TO SEE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THOSE DETAILS CAN, CAN BE WORKED OUT AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT STAGE IF, UH, IF IT HAS, IF IT GETS THAT FAR.
SO THAT IS SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN OR THE PROPOSAL AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, SO PER VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICES ARE PERMITTED USES, UH, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THEM, UM, WITHIN THIS AREA, UH, THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AGAIN, THIS WAS A HOLDOVER.
UM, SO THIS, THIS LAST, THE SECOND BULLET'S PRETTY IS I GUESS NOW NO.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES INTEND TO KEEP THAT 15 FOOT SIDE YARD, UH, AS REQUIRED BY THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, AND THEN IN GENERAL, AS IT'S DESIGNED NOW, THE SITE PLAN IS MUCH MORE IN COMPLETE CONFORMANCE WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, OF 1185.
I TALK ABOUT THE 15 YARD, 15 FOOT SETBACK.
UM, I THINK THIS, THIS REVISION BRINGS THE, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE 15 FOOT, UM, SIDE YARD BRINGS THE SITE MORE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THEN, UM, WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, THERE ARE ALSO SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HE HAS SUBMITTED, UM, THAT SHOW OTHER, UM, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY OWN, UH, AND THE WAY THEY MAINTAIN THAT, UH, THAT PROPERTY AS WELL, THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN MY PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF ME? YES.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLANS? THEY HAD THE, OKAY.
UM, SO ARE WE ARE DOING A WAY WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING ADDITION ON THE, I WOULD BE WHAT THE EAST END, SO THE APPLICANT HAS WANTED THIS SORT OF RESERVED FOR FUTURE ADDITIONS, UH, WITH A POSSIBILITY OF A FUTURE EDITION THAT LET ME GO BACK TO THIS.
UM, THEY, THERE IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND THE APPLICANT CAN, CAN ANSWER THIS MORE FULLY.
THERE IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE PLAN FOR AN ADDITION, IF THERE WERE, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME AND RESUBMIT AGAIN FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFERY'S IT'S ON THE DRAWING RUN RIGHT HERE.
I THINK THE, WHAT, THE SECOND ENTRANCE TO THE EAST NOW, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OPENING THAT UP MORE, AS FAR AS THEM BEING ABLE TO CUT IN RIGHT THERE.
SO THEY'RE SHOWING A WIDER, UH, ENTRANCE HERE THAN WHAT PREVIOUSLY SHOWN.
AND THEN WITH THE REST OF THE PARKING, THE DOUBLE STACK, THE WAY IT IS GOING UP, IS THERE ACTUALLY ROOM TO PARK IT LIKE THAT UP THERE TOWARDS THAT BUILDING AND MAKE THAT RADIUS? ARE WE GOING TO RUN INTO AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WHERE EVERYTHING'S JUST BEING PULLED FOR THEM AND LIKE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED? SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT WILL LIKELY OCCUR DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT IS I THINK THIS ACCESS LANE HERE MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW THAN IT REALLY IS, BUT IF, UM, IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE, SO THERE'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD HERE.
IF, IF WE WERE TO HAVE PAINTED CURVING, UH, THEN I PAINTED LINES, I THINK THAT, THAT THE PARKING WOULD LIKELY SLIP FORWARD.
UM, IF WE DO A TRADITIONAL CURB INTO YOUR ISLAND, THEN MAYBE THERE IS A LESS OF A CHANCE THAN THAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT REALLY, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ALL.
AND THEN OTHER QUESTIONS, THE LAST
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MINUTE YOU'D MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER USES LIKE THIS IN THE AREA.SO IS THAT TYPICAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, OR WOULD WE NORMALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, CAR SALES KIND OF TOGETHER IN CERTAIN AREAS AND SERVICE IN CERTAIN AREAS? UM, SO THERE ARE NO CAR SALES, UM, IN THIS AREA OF OLD TROY PIKE WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, MY VIEW AS, AS, AS THE PLANNER IS THAT I LIKE TO SEE CAR SALES, UM, SOMEWHAT CONCENTRATED BECAUSE THEY TAKE ON AN AND, AND AN ELEMENT AND ENVIRONMENT OF THEIR OWN.
UM, IF, IF YOU HAVE A TRADITIONAL CAR SALES, YOU ARE NEW OR USED, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
UM, THEY HAVE, I WOULD CALL IT SIGNAGE CREEP.
UM, THERE ARE OFTENTIMES ADDITIONAL BANNERS, FLYERS PENDANTS THAT JUST TEND TO SHOW UP ON THE WEEKENDS, ESPECIALLY.
SO IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK THAN A TRADITIONAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND THE PARKING LOTS ARE ALWAYS FULL BECAUSE THAT'S THE INVENTORY DISPLAY AREA.
LAST ONE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES WITH TAKING OUT THE GREENSPACE COMING FORWARD FOR THE EXTRA THIRD ROW.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED THROUGH IT, IS THAT A MUST ON THEIR END AT THIS POINT FROM YOUR CONVERSATION? I KNOW WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT ON, SO I THINK I'LL LET THE, THE APPLICANT TALK TO THAT.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO PUT AS MUCH PRODUCT FRONT AND CENTER AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHETHER IT'S A MUST IS, IS THERE TO CALL SORRY.
WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR THAT REFERENCED SOME EXISTING POWER BOXES IN THE PARKING AREA.
THEY'RE KIND OF, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO I THINK WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THIS PARKING AREA, SO THERE ARE BOLLARDS AROUND IT.
UM, THE, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
I THINK AT AND T WILL GET GRUMPY, UM, IF THEIR FIBER OPTICS OR ARE DAMAGED.
AND THEN ALSO IN THE LETTER, IT'S GOT ARROWS POINTING TO THE GARAGE DOORS ON THE, I GUESS, STRAIGHT OFF OF THE PROPOSED ISLAND.
AND THAT ISLAND LOOKS LIKE IT'S BLOCKING AT LEAST PARTIAL A PARTIAL ENTRY.
SO IS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO KEEP THAT GARAGE DOOR AS PART OF THE SERVICE AREA FOR THEMSELVES AS AN INITIALLY.
THERE ARE TWO BAYS, UM, PULL THROUGH BAYS.
UM, I, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THEY WANT TO KEEP THEM THERE, WHICH IS WHY I SAID, I THINK THIS PROBABLY, UH, SHIFTS A WESTWARD SLIGHTLY, I'M SORRY.
OR THE ALTERNATIVE IS YOU LOSE A ROW IN THE BACK OR YOU LOSE A COUPLE SPACES IN THE BACK THERE FOR THAT TO ALLOW THAT TURNING RADIUS, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, UM, THAT I HAD PENCILED OUT HAD THAT KIND OF CUT OUT SO THAT THE CARS COULD MAKE THAT TURNING RADIUS WITHOUT HAVING REALLY ANY ISSUE.
AND I GUESS IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED IT'S IS IT IS A CAR SALES, I MEAN, THEIR GOAL IS TO HAVE INVENTORY.
SO HOW DO WE JUGGLE, YOU KNOW, THE LAYOUT VERSUS ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE WHEN THEY GET OPPORTUNITIES OR GET A LOT OF CARS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE CAR MARKET, THE WAY IT IS NOW, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GET A BUNCH OF VEHICLES, BUT DON'T HAVE THE SALES AND HAVE THEM KIND OF PILING UP, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SO IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL ENFORCEMENT PROCESS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE NO JUNKED OR INOPERABLE VEHICLES THAT MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE PARKED INAPPROPRIATE SPACES.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON THE, THE CITY, WELL, EITHER THE NEIGHBORS OR SOMEBODY TO RAISE IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
UH, AND THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY A COURTESY VISIT SAYING STOP DOING THIS.
AND THEN, UH, ESCALATION OF, IF IT CONTINUES ANY OTHER MS. FARGO, UM, MR. SARAH, CAN YOU TELL ME, HAVE THEY MET ALL OF THE ZONING CODE AT THIS POINT WITH WHAT THE, YOU JUST PRESENTED? UM, THEY, THEY MEET ALL OF THE, IF, IF THE 15 FOOT BUFFER IS PUT BACK IN PLACE, THEY WOULD MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
NOW THE MAJOR CHANGE IT, UH, REQUIREMENT IS BECAUSE THAT USE WAS NOT APPROVED DURING THIS, UM, DURING THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT WAS, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL ALSO INDICATED SOME, UH, BUFFERING THAT IS NOT THERE.
WOULD THAT BE REQUIRED IF YOU,
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IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DESIRES IT TO NOT BE, NOT BE THERE, IT DOESN'T.AND THE CODE REQUIRES A 25 FOOT SETBACK.
THERE WAS, UH, AN ANOTHER, I'M GONNA LOOK 20 ISH FEET ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WHEN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS, WAS APPROVED, WHICH KEPT PARKING FOR THE MOST PART OUT OF THE FRONT YARDS FOR MOST OF THOSE, UH, THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO, BUT THE, THE, THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE PIECE, THE PLAN DISTRICT DOES ALLOW, UM, UM, FRONT PARKING, AS LONG AS IT'S SET BACK 25 FEET, I WAS SPECIFICALLY, UM, REFERENCING THE BUFFERING BETWEEN THE FUNERAL HOME AND THIS PARCEL.
IS THERE ANY PART OF THE BUFFERING THAT'S REQUIRED THAT IS MISSING THERE PER THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HAD CUT IT TO SEVEN AND A HALF FEET, UM, INSTEAD OF 15.
UM, THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS TELLING US THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RESTORE THAT TO THE, THE FULL REQUIRED 15 FEET.
IT WAS JUST ADMITTED ON THIS REVISED DRAWING.
AND SO IT WILL BE 15 FEET IN PLACE OF A BUFFERING.
SO IT WILL BE HONESTLY, IT'LL BE WHAT IT IS NOW, WHICH IS MEETS THE CODE.
SO, AARON, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
IT MAY BE A QUESTION MORE FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, IN THE PREVIOUS TALKS, IT WAS JUST RIGHT NOW, THE BAY DOORS FOR THEM TO GET THE CARS READY TO GO BACK OUT FOR SALE.
ARE WE STILL LEAVING IT THAT WAY? ARE THEY, ARE THEY NOW USING THIS AS A GENERAL MAINTENANCE FOR VEHICLES LIKE OIL CHANGES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF? YEAH.
UM, I, THAT'S A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I BELIEVE ART W WHEN OUR CONVERSATION OCCURRED, UH, A WEEK OR SO TWO WEEKS AGO, IT WAS MAINLY SERVICE FOR, FOR SALE PRODUCT, BUT THAT'S BETTER FOR THEM TO ANSWER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I GUESS, REDHEAD, UM, AGAIN, REFERRING TO THE LETTER FROM MR. HELLER, THERE'S W I THINK THIS IS WHAT JAN WAS TOUCHING ON ABOUT.
WE'VE GOT THE 15 FOOT BUFFER, BUT NO REQUIREMENT OF SCREENING OR LANDSCAPE SCREENING IN BETWEEN.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, OR THAT AS FAR AS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, OR WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT UP IN THERE? WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS YET.
UM, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UM, PART OF IT, THAT IT MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WELL, WE WENT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO, MY NAME'S OSMAN CAL LIFE.
UH, I'LL BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY FATHER BECAUSE HIS ENGLISH ISN'T GOOD AGAIN, BUT, UM, YEAH, AS, UH, HE MENTIONED, UH, WE WILL BE LEAVING THAT 15 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE SIDE.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE BACK, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLUSTERED UP THERE AND, UH, I'M WILLING TO, UH, REMOVE MAYBE LIKE THE FIRST TWO, UH, LIKE THE FIRST ROW, SO WE CAN HAVE SOME ROOM FOR THE GARAGE BASE.
UM, THIS WAS MY, UH, ENGINEERING'S DESIGN.
UH, HE FORGOT TO ALSO, UH, REMOVE THE, UH, TO MOVE THIS SETBACK TO 15 FEET AND ALSO THE SIGN, WHICH WAS HIS ERROR.
BUT YEAH, ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THE, OR YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO REMOVE THE FIRST ROW, WE'VE GOT THREE ROWS THEY'RE STACKED DIFFERENTLY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE FIRST TWO CARS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CURB.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, WHAT YOU, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE? ARE YOU GOING TO OPEN THIS JUST UP FOR AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY.
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CURRENTLY KEEP IT AT JUST THE REPAIRS FOR THE CARS TO GET THEM UP ON THE LOT TO GET THEM FOR SALE? UM, AND THE, THE EAST END, THE ADDITION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WOULD THAT POTENTIALLY BE WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT TO ACTIVE OIL CHANGE, THAT TYPE OF STUFF? UM, THE EAST END, UH, RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO JUST MAKE IT ASPHALT AND HAVE A MORE PARKING SPACE, ESPECIALLY, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK ON THE CARS WITH DETAILING, THEY CAN USE THAT AS PARKING LOT AS WELL.AND, UM, AS FAR AS SERVICE, LIKE, I MEAN WITH, UH, CAR DEALERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE WARRANTIES AND SUCH TO THEIR CUSTOMERS SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME IN FOR SERVICE AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE MAINLY WANT TO USE AND ALSO SERVICE OUR OWN CARS AND, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT FOR SALE.
SO THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE A FULL SERVICE TYPE FACILITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFREY? SO ON THE PACKETS THAT WE HAVE, THE PICTURES OF THE OTHER LOCATION LOOKS LIKE MOSTLY TRUCKS, LIKE SEMI-TRUCKS YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, NONE OF THE PARKING IN THE BACK HERE, ANY OF THIS IS FOR A SEMI TRUCK STORIES, SO MUCH MAINTENANCE SERVICE, NO, NOTHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT I, UH, SUBMITTED THE PICTURES FOR IS TO SHOW AS REFERENCE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS PROFESSIONAL AND THEN LIKE CLEAN.
UM, WE ACTUALLY ARE ABOUT TO HAVE, UM, AN ASPHALT COMPANY COME IN AND, UH, DO BLACKTOP AND DO A LOT OF REPAIRS ON THE CONCRETE.
SO IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY NICE.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT CLEAN AND PROFESSIONAL, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY JUNK OR CLUSTERED UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
I'M STILL UNCLEAR ABOUT YOUR PLANS FOR SERVICING OTHER AUTOMOBILES.
DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU WOULD BE SERVICING ONLY THE ONES THAT YOU SELL OR NO, NO, NO.
YOU HAD SERVICE THAT AS WELL? YES.
IS THAT ALLOWED IN THE ZONING CODE UNDER THIS PARTICULAR, UNDER THIS DISTRICT IS UNDER THIS DISTRICT? IT IS.
IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE.
BUT IT IS ONE OF THE ALLOWABLE USES.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT WE HAD FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR WAS, UH, THE NOISE THAT WOULD COME FROM DOING THAT TYPE OF, OF, UH, UM, ON REGARDS TO THAT THE PLACE WAS ALREADY SERVICE PLACE BEFORE WE EVEN BOUGHT IT.
IT HAS ITS OWN, UM, UNDERNEATH WHERE YOU CAN GO UNDERNEATH AND CHANGE THE OIL OF THE CARS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS BUILT FOR CAR SERVICE ALREADY.
AND THERE ARE DOWN THE ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THE FUNERAL HOME AS WELL.
THERE ARE OTHER SERVICE PLACES AS WELL.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE ISSUE WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT WE WOULD MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, HONESTLY.
WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR THAT YOU HAVE.
AND I THINK THAT THEY HAVE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO ALL OF OUR CITY.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE BOTH OF YOU BE HAPPY TO, BUT TO BE SURE BEFORE WE ALLOW ANYTHING DIFFERENT, I MEAN, I CAN TRY PUTTING UP SOME, UM, NOISE, CANCELLATION FOAMS, AND SUCH AS THAT IN THE INSIDE, MAYBE TO REDUCE SOME OF THE NOISE COMING OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S MAINLY GOING TO BE INSIDE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OUTSIDE THE SERVICE, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF NOISE OUTSIDE.
UM, CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN OF WHAT YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE? IS IT A SEVEN DAY A WEEK? IS IT, UM, MAINLY, UH, UH, I HAVEN'T REALLY, UH, I WAS THINKING LIKE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY NINE TO FIVE, BUT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH MY DAD AS WELL AND SEE WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
WELL, I THINK SET HOURS CAN HELP DETERMINE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH MARKER AND HELLER, UM, AND KIND OF HELP CLEAR UP SOME, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE GONNA BE, OR AT LEAST I DO.
UM, I, I'M NOT SAYING MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY IS NOT BAD, BUT IS THAT TILL, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT? ARE YOU LOOKING FROM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT IN THE MORNING UNTIL SIX OR THAT TYPE OF THING? YEAH.
HE'S SAYING NINE TO FIVE, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
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YEAH.THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? MY NAME IS CHAD EVANS.
I REPRESENT THESE CLIENTS, UH, MR. AND MRS. MR. COLEY LIVE, AND I'VE DEALT WITH THEM FOR 20 YEARS AND THE PROPERTIES THEY BUY ARE PHENOMENAL AND DON'T CUT CORNERS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THEM SUBMIT.
HE WAS LIKE, IT WOULD HELP IF THEY SAW THE CURRENT BUILDING NOW AND CURRENT REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, UM, I UNDERSTAND MRS. VARGOS, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE NOISE, BUT THE NOISE IS ALREADY BEEN THERE.
THE GUYS, RIGHT THERE ARE RUNNING EVERY MORE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT ARE DOING THE DETAILING THAT WE'RE HAVING NO COMPLAINTS OVER THAN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING.
THOSE SANDERS THEY'RE USING OVER ON THE DETAIL SHOP ARE SUPER LOUD AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THEY KEEP THE DOORS DOWN AND THEM, AS THE LANDLORD TELL THE TENANT, THEY CAN'T OPEN THE DOORS WHEN THE RUN AND THE SANDERS.
SO THAT WAY IT MAKES IT A LOT OF NOISE.
UM, I DON'T THINK, I THINK SPEAKING ON THEIR CANDOR AND THE TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, IT MEANS A LOT.
AND I WOULD WANT TO HEAR THAT FROM SOMEONE ON YOUR NOT HAVING, SOMEONE'S GOING, GONNA GO IN THERE, NOT WANT TO GET ALONG WITH YOU, NOT WANT TO OPERATE A CLEAN AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.
UM, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE BROKEN DOWN.
CHEVY'S, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTED CARS, YOU KNOW, EXPENSIVE CARS, NOT THE KIND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, NOT TREATED FAIRLY.
UM, MR. CARMEN, THE FATHER, UM, CARMEN IS HIS FIRST, UH, HE IS BASHFUL, BUT HE'S A VERY HONEST MECHANIC.
IF I WAS WANTING SOMEBODY IN MY CITY, IT'S HARD TO FIND HONEST MECHANICS, UM, YOU KNOW, BESIDES TAKING YOUR CAR TO THE DEALER AND HOPING FOR THE BEST, UM, YOU TAKE YOUR CAR TO HIM AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN HONEST OPINION IF IT'S NOT WORTH FIXING OR FOR THESE WORKSPACES, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF CARS YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.
UM, THEY'RE MAINLY, ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTELE THEY'RE WORKING WITH THAT WANT THESE CARS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST SPEAK ON THEM AS FAR AS THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TOOK TO DO.
AND KEEP A GOOD CLEAN PROPERTY FOR THE CITY OF HEBREW RIGHTS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SONY CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION THERE, MR. SORRELL.
I DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATED, UH, UH, DECISION RECORD.
ALL I HAVE IS, IS HERE ON THE SCREEN.
IS THIS FROM THE NOVEMBER 2ND? THE ORIGINAL ONE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, QUESTION.
SO LET'S MODIFY THE ORIGINAL ONE.
SO I THINK I'M SKIMMING IT HERE REAL QUICK, MR. WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT.
SO ON THIS, THIS GOES TO COUNCIL AFTER US ANYWAY, RIGHT? THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD THEN MOVE TO COUNSEL.
AND THEN IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WITHIN THE DECISION RECORD, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN APPROVAL THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RESTRICT, SAY FLYERS AND BANNER, LIKE THE, THE, SOME OF THE STUFF YOU'D REFERENCED AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS ON CAR LOTS.
I KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT ONE IN TOWN.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT THAT'S GOT A BANNER STRONG OF PENANCE, RIGHT ACROSS FROM LIGHT POLE TO LIGHT POLE.
AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT A RESTRICTION THAT'S ABLE TO BE PUT IN OR IS THAT JUST, AND AGAIN, AN ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM.
UM, SO I DON'T BELIEVE YOUR CODE ALLOWS IT ANYWAY.
UM, AND SO IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK IF THE DECISION ORDER REFERENCES THE SIGN CHAPTER, UM, YOUR SIGN ORDINANCE IS PRETTY GOOD.
SO I THINK YOU WERE OKAY WITH THERE, BUT IT BECOMES, IF YOU WANT TO REINFORCE IT WITH NO BLADE SIGNS, FEATHER SIGNS OUT, YOU KNOW, PENNANTS DRINKERS, I CAN COME UP WITH A LIST FOR YOU WHEN WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PORTION.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE DECISION RECORD, I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD, UM,
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IT IS IF IT'S AGREEABLE TO THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK LINE FIVE SHOULD SAY, UM, IT IS THE USE IS THE SALE AND SERVICE OF AUTOMOBILES IF SERVICE IS APPROPRIATE.UM, AND THEN YOU WOULD STRIKE LINE SEVEN AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER MODIFICATION WOULD BE THAT IT IS THE, UH, THE APPROVED PLANS, UM, THAT WERE, LET'S SAY, UH, REVIEWED ON MARCH WHAT'S TODAY, 15TH, MARCH 15TH, 2022.
AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THE APPROPRIATE PLANS AND, AND DECISION MEMORANDUM ARE THE FINAL ONE IS TO YOU FOR SIGNATURE, ALONG WITH UPDATED PLANS TO GO TO COUNCIL WITH WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS, MIKE, HIS SECRETARY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REPEAT THAT, PLEASE.
NUMBER FIVE, UM, WOULD SAY THE ONLY USE APPROVED IN THIS DECISION RECORD IS THE SALE AND SERVICE OF AUTOMOBILES.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE PLANNING TO SERVICE ANY OTHER TYPE OF VEHICLES, CORRECT? NO SEMIS, NO BOATS.
AND THEN WE'RE STRIKING NUMBERS.
SO STRIKE NUMBER SEVEN AND THEN ON NUMBER ONE, JUST, UH, UM, WE'LL SWAP OUT NOVEMBER 2ND WITH MARCH 15TH, 2022.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAJOR CHANGE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AMMAN LALA REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PC PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 58 40 OLD TROY PIKE, FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL NUMBER P 70 DASH 0 1 9 2 3 DASH 0 0 0 4.
UH, ON THE, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY AUDITORS TAX MAP, ZONING CASE 2145.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION, THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TOO, UH, DATED MARCH 15TH, 2020.
SECOND SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL.
YOU LIKE TO, I THINK PART OF IT'S JUST WHEN AARON HAD MENTIONED TOO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIMILAR USES IN THE AREA WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO CAR SALES.
UM, I GO, I USED TO SELL CARS, SO I HAVE A SOFT SPOT FOR THAT.
SO SAY, AND THAT'S KIND OF PAINFUL TO ME, SORT OF LISSETE, BUT I JUST HAVE CONCERNS OVER THAT USE IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE BEST FIT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRIMARY AND NOTHING AGAINST THE APPLICANTS WHATSOEVER.
AND THEN I'M GLAD THAT MR. EVANS SPOKE UP FOR THEM.
I MEAN, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT, BUT MS. THOMAS I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH JIM, I THINK THAT, UM, UH, I'M NOT AGAINST HAVING YOUR FACILITY IN THE CITY.
I JUST THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT THE APPROPRIATE USE.
UM, AND THAT LOCATION, AS HE SAID, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT LOCATION TO KIND OF GO OFF OF.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE I CAN'T HONESTLY VOTE.
AND I CONCUR WITH BOTH OF THEM.
I'M SORRY, BUT IT STILL GOES ON.
I STARTED ON A NEW BUSINESS, MINOR CHANGE THE APPLICANT, ATLANTIC SIGN COMPANIES REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNAGE AT CAMPING WORLD LOCATED AT 8,001 OLD TROY PIKE.
UH, MINOR CHANGE TO 22 DASH OH NINE, ALL CONFUSED.
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MR. CRL.YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE CHANGED SOME OF THE NUMBERING NOMENCLATURE.
UM, IT IS AN EFFORT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BETTER DIFFERENTIATE CASES IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THERE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE PROPERTIES TURN OVER AND USES AND CASES IN THE PAST, EVERY, UH, ZONING OR PLANNING CASE STARTS WITH THE SAME, UH, NUMBERS.
AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND THOSE RECORDS.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO START TO SEPARATE THEM.
SO THIS IS MC THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS, MAYBE WE, WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATIONS IF YOU WANT US TO BRING THESE FORWARD LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE TO, UH, SIGNAGE FOR THE EXISTING RETAIL RETAILER CAMPING WORLD, WHICH IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE OFF OF, UH, TOWARDS PIKE.
AND, UM, WELL REALLY I 70, UM, IT IS A SEVEN ACRE SITE.
THAT'S ZONED PLANNING, COMMERCIAL CAMPING WORLD IS A CURRENT TENANT.
THEY'RE ASKING ME TO, UH, APPROVAL TO, UM, THAT SHOULD SAY REMOVE AND REPLACE, UH, SOME EXISTING, UH, WALL SIGNS.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS TO, UH, REPLACE ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UM, WALL SIGN, REMOVE ONE, UH, AND THEN THE TOTAL WALL SIGN AREA REDUCES FROM, UM, 562 SQUARE FEET DOWN TO 429.
SO THE, UH, THE EXISTING SIGN PACKAGE IS ILLUSTRATED HERE.
THERE IS A, A CORPORATE LOGO ALONG WITH, UH, GANDER OUTDOORS, RV SALES.
THEY WANT TO MOVE, UH, JUST TO CAMPING WORLD, UH, ELIMINATE THIS MEDALLION AND THIS OTHER WALL SIGN, THE OTHER SIGNS ON THE PACKET, UH, THAT OR THE OTHER WALL SIGNS EITHER STAY THE SAME.
UH, AND THE EXISTING POLE SIGN, UH, IS BEING RE FACED, BUT THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO OUR, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THIS ESTIMATED ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF JUST RIGHT.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY JUST SWAPPING OUT CORPORATE BRANDING AND REDUCING SIGNAGE AT THIS.
YOU'RE BECOMING MORE CONFORMING TO THE SIGN CODE IN SWAPPING OUT ONE CORPORATE RETAILER TO THE NEW CORPORATE RETAILER.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
MY NAME'S BROOKE I'M WITH ATLANTIC SIGN COMPANY IN CINCINNATI.
IT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, IT'S JUST THE PUD PART OF IT.
SO IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW, BUT THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MINOR CHANGE? WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC PORTION OF IT, OF THE, A MINOR.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICATION, BY THE APPLICANT ATLANTIC SIGN COMPANY FOR APPROVAL REMINDER CHANGE FOR SIGNINGS FOR CAMPING WORLD CASE M C 22 DASH OH NINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MARCH 8TH, 2022, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO I MISS FARGO.
SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT, UM, THE, UH, ZONING PERMIT REQUESTS AND, UM, THERE'LL BE APPROVED AND INSTALL THE SIGNS.
THE NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT CHARLES V. SIMS DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE GABLES OF HUBER HEIGHTS, 15.93 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON BRANT PIKE, NORTH OF THE RESERVES AT FAIR AT THE FAIRWAYS, SORRY, UH, CASE B D P 22 DASH
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OH SEVEN.SO, UM, WE ARE A LONG, UM, BRANT PIKE.
UM, THIS IS THE, THE RESERVES OF THE FAIRWAYS.
THIS IS CARRIAGE, THE CARRIAGE TRAIL TRAIL DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS THE SITE LOCATED RIGHT HERE.
UH, THIS IS CARRIAGE HILL METRO PARKS.
UH, THE SITE IS ZONED, UM, PLANNED, MIXED USE AND HAS BEEN FOR 20, 20 ODD YEARS.
UM, SO THE SITE IN QUESTION IS, UH, JUST UNDER 16 ACRES ZONE PLAN MIXED USE.
THIS, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED AS A SECOND SECTION OF THE RESERVES AT FAIRWAYS, WHICH WAS APPROVED, UH, IN ACTUALLY 2008.
UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS 74 UNITS ARE FOR SALE 74 UNITS FOR SALE IN 11 BUILDINGS.
THE AVERAGE DENSITY IS ABOUT 4.6 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THIS RE THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROPOSES SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UH, OPEN SPACE IN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UM, IN 2008.
SO THERE'S 10.2 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ABOUT 64% OF, OF THE SITE WAS IN PICTURES.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM, UH, BRANT PIKE.
THE SITE IS, UH, TO YOUR, TO YOUR LEFT.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS AND LONG BRANCH PIKE.
YOU CAN SEE THE RESERVES DOWN HERE, UH, ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UM, AND YOU ENTER CARRIAGE TRAILS.
SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, APPROVED BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, IN TOTAL, THERE ARE 149 UNITS THAT WERE, UH, APPROVED, UH, THE FIRST SECTION, WHICH IS THE HEAVY LINE HERE.
UM, THERE WERE, UH, 74 UNITS THAT WERE APPROVED.
UM, THERE WERE 43 THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, I'M COUNTING DRIVEWAYS HERE.
SO MY ACCOUNTS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OFF, UM, BUT ROUGHLY 43 UNITS WERE CONSTRUCTED.
THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY IS OUTLINED, UH, POORLY, UH, IN RED, UM, THAT SECTION, THE LIGHTER AREA, WHICH WAS PLANNED TO ALL BE BUILT OUT WITH 74 OR 75 UNITS, UM, THE, THE LIGHTER PEN WEIGHT, UH, AND THESE WERE PART OF SECTION ONE THAT NEVER GOT CONSTRUCTED.
UM, AND THOSE ARE THE 31 UNITS.
SO WITHIN THIS ENTIRE AREA, UM, ROUGHLY 9 96 UNITS ARE APPROVED, BUT NEVER CONSTRUCTED.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 74.
SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT IS, UH, IS BEING PROPOSED, UM, BY THE, BY THE DEVELOPER, OR THERE'S AN ACCESS POINT HERE OFF OF BRANT PIKE.
UM, THAT COM LOOPS AROUND THERE IS A, A SMALL CALL TO SAC AT THE END.
THERE IS A SECOND, UM, EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS THAT, UH, DOES LINK UP WITH, UH, THE EXISTING ROADWAY.
THERE ARE BOLLARDS THAT ARE, THAT ARE LOCATED HERE TO PREVENT, UH, JUST CASUAL DRIVE THROUGH, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT GO INTO MORE DETAIL HERE, BUT THERE IS A INTENTION OF, UH, SEPARATING THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING, LIKE I SAID, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE, UH, WITH WALKING TRAILS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN COME THROUGH SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THAT ACTUALLY HAS USABLE OPEN SPACE AND NOT JUST RETENTION PONDS CALLED OPEN SPACE.
UM, THESE ARE RENDERINGS OF, UH, OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
YOU HAVE THESE IN YOUR, IN YOUR PLAN, UM, MIXTURE OF BRICK AND OTHER, UM, EXTERIOR CLADDING, THE, THE REAR VIEWS REAR SIDE, I SHOULD SAY, I'M ONLY GOING TO HIT, UM, KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
YOU, YOU HAVE MY, MY STAFF REPORT, UM, BUT LARGELY THIS, UH, PROPOSAL CONFORMS TO THE ZONING REG REGULATIONS AND THE PLAN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS A 15 FOOT DISTANCE REQUIRED BUILDINGS THAT IS MET.
UH, THERE ARE, THE BUILDINGS ARE CLUSTERED TOGETHER.
THERE IS A LARGE USABLE GREEN SPACE AREA, UM, WHICH IS GOOD.
WALKING PATHS ARE INCLUDED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SITE ACCESS IS LIMITED TO ONE PRIVATE DRIVE FROM BRANT PIKE.
THE, UM, THE ENGINEER HAD A COMMENT THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT CHANGING THE, UM, THE GEOMETRY OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO TWO OUT ONE IN, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, TO
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DO THAT.UM, THERE IS A SECOND EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT CONNECTS TO SALON CIRCLE, BUT THAT ACCESS IS LIMITED BY, UM, BOLLARDS, UH, THERE'S PARKING THAT'S PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THROUGH THE DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGES AND GUEST PARKING SPACES.
TECHNICALLY UNDER THE ZONING CODE, THERE ARE 334 SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UH, THERE ARE 222 THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UM, THE ACTUAL REAL, UM, PARKING IS, IS LIMIT IS LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES US TO COUNT DRIVEWAY, UM, AS PARKING.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INFLATION, UH, THERE.
SO IT'S NOT, OH, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS AN AGGRESSIVE AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T.
THERE IS A SIX FOOT HIGH LANDSCAPING MOUND THAT BUFFERS THE OPEN SPACE AREA FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, THE RESERVES, UM, TO THE SOUTH, UH, THE APPLICANT IS, HAS NOT SUBMITTED A LIGHTING OR LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO AT THIS STAGE, BUT THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT LIGHTING WILL BE, UH, THROUGH A COMBINATION OF EXTERIOR BUILDING LIGHTS AND LAMPPOSTS ALONG THE, UM, THE WALKING PARKING AREAS.
UH, AND YOU SAW THAT THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, UH, INDICATE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UH, MASONARY PRODUCTS ON THE, ON THE FRONT AND THE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS.
WE FEEL OUR STAFF MI, UH, FEELS THAT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, CERTAINLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT AND THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL OUTLINED IN, UH, 11 71 0 6.
UM, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE MINIMUM PRIVATE STREET PAVEMENT WITH B 27 FEET.
UH, THE APPLICANT I BELIEVE IS SHOWING 26 FEET, BUT THE ZONING SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS REQUIRE 27 FEET.
THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT WATER AND SANITARY WILL ALL BE PUBLIC, UH, AND PUT INTO EASEMENTS.
AND THEN THE BRANT PIPE ENTRANCE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 36 FOOT WIDE WITH A ONE LANE IN AND TWO LANES OUT.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AS FARGO? UM, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THIS, IF THE STREETS WILL BE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BE PRIVATE.
UM, AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AND THAT IS THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE USE OF THE WEIGHT ROOM AND THE, AND THE PARTY HOUSE THAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CLOSED OFF.
THERE IS NO STREET ACCESS TO THERE.
UM, THAT IS A QUESTION THAT YOU'LL NEED TO ASK TO THE APPLICANT ON.
THAT'S NOT INDICATED IN THE APPLICATION, BUT, UM, I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT TO RAISE THAT QUESTION.
AND, UH, HOW ABOUT PLAYGROUND? WOULD THERE BE ANY PLAYGROUNDS ANYWHERE THAT GREEN SPACE THERE'S AT THE MOMENT? THERE IS NOTHING DELINEATED AS FAR AS, UM, ACTIVE PLAYGROUND OR RECREATION, UM, EQUIPMENT.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED AND RIGHT NOW IS NOT REQUIRED, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION TO ASK THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. JEFFRIES? YEP.
ON THE ROADS OF, SO WE HAD THAT CHANGED THE, THE 27 FEET.
WHAT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAYS? BECAUSE WHEN I WAS LOOKING IN SOME OF THE PLANS LOOKED LIKE SAID SOME 20 FOOT SETBACKS, BUT ARE THEY ALL 25 FOOT ON THE DRIVEWAYS OR ON THE FRONT YARD, I WOULD NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK MY PLANS, BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY SHOULD BE 25.
SO WAS MAKING SURE I SAW SOMETHING THAT'S A 20 IN SOMEWHERE IT'S WANTING TO MAKE SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MS. MARGO? GOD, NO, NO.
SO I KNOW ONE OF THE LETTERS, I'M SURE THAT THE GENTLEMAN TO SPEAK TO AND I ASKED ABOUT IF WE ACTUALLY NEED THE EMERGENCY ACCESS OFF THE COL-DE-SAC WITH THE ENTRANCE, HAVING THE BOULEVARD STYLE, LOOK, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE DRAWING, DO WE ACTUALLY NEED THAT EXTRA AUXILIARY ACCESS OFF OF THE REAR OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY CARRY THE LANDSCAPING BERM AROUND THROUGH THERE FOR THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND HAVE THE WIDER FRONT ENTRANCE ON BRAND BIKE? UM, SO TALKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE A SECONDARY, UH, ACCESS.
UM, I THINK THEY WOULD PREFER IT.
UM, I F W YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT CARRYING SOME OF THE, THE LANDSCAPING DOWN A LITTLE BIT, TAKING OUT THIS TEMPORARY ACCESS OR THIS EMERGENCY ACCESS DOESN'T SAVE THEM MUCH.
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IS IT'S HEAVY GRASS, PAVERS, JUST ENOUGH TO CARRY THE LOAD OF, UH, EMS TRUCKS.I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE CURRENT RESIDENTS STANDPOINT, WHERE RIGHT NOW IT TERMINATES INTO AN END, AND YET IT'S UNFINISHED, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE GREEN SPACE, WHATEVER BACK THERE.
I KNOW WHEN WE DO THESE, THESE EMERGENCY ACCESS POINTS, I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF THEM, BUT THERE'S USUALLY A GATE THAT COMES WITH IT.
UM, THERE'S NO GATE, THERE'S NO FENCING.
UH, JUST AS WHAT'S PROPOSED ON THE PLANS, THE APPLICANTS SPEAK TO THIS ARE THREE OR FOUR BOLLARDS JUST TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THROUGH THAT.
I THINK IF IT'S THE PLANNING, COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO NOT HAVE THAT, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THE APPLICANT IS, UH, AMENABLE TO THAT, THEN I THINK WE, UM, WE APPROVED THAT SUBJECT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT IT'S OKAY, BUT IF THE BOLLARDS ARE THERE, HOW DO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GET THROUGH, IF THEY'RE THERE TO RESTRICT OTHER PEOPLE'S ACCESS? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COME? THEY HAVE KEYS.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PERMANENT.
HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE THEM? DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION? I'VE NEVER SEEN IT IN ACTION, BUT MANY OF THESE ARE, ARE JUST LIKE THIS, THE NEWER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, MY NAME IS ROBERT SIMS AND I'M A CHARLESTON'S DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO, UH, TO BEGIN THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, JUST LIKE, UH, AARON WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BOLLARDS.
SO WE HAVE THAT IN GREEN COUNTY RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE USE TEXTILES, UM, LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO HAVE MERCY VEHICLE DRIVE OVER, BUT GRASS IS ABLE TO GROW ABOVE THAT.
UM, SO JUST IMAGINE GRASS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BALLERS THERE.
SO THAT WAS THE POINT TO THAT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I CAN TAKE IT.
I HAVE MAX HERE WITH LOCKWOOD JONES AND BEAL, UM, HERE AS WELL FOR ANY, UH, ENGINEERING QUESTIONS.
AND ARE THESE ALL TWO CAR GARAGES SO THAT YOU DO HAVE TWO PARKING PLACES ALSO OUTSIDE THE GARAGE AND THE DRIVEWAY? YES MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, IF THEY'RE 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS? UM, I TRY TO READ THE PLAN.
I HAVE A PRINTED REALLY SMALL ONLY IF I COULD ZOOM THAT.
AND I COULD TELL YOU, BUT I'VE MADE A NOTE THOUGH, TO DOUBLE CHECK AND GET THAT STUFF, AND WE ARE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH.
MY CONCERN IS JUST THE 20 FOOT IS FINE FOR A VEHICLE UNTIL IT'S BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK AND THE FLOW OF THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
MS. MORGAN, UM, THIS WILL HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
IS THERE WILL, AND, UH, WE'LL WE SEE IN THE DETAILED, WELL, YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR US, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE MAKEUP OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
UM, YES, IT'LL BE, UH, UH, PUD.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
UM, SO THERE'LL BE DEEDED OFF LOTS AND THERE'LL BE ONE COMMON LOT FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND THEN ALL 74 HOMES WILL HAVE THEIR OWN LOT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE MAKEUP OF THE HOA.
AND THEN, UM, DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND ANYWHERE ON THERE? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I THINK THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT'S GOING TO BUY THIS, UM, THIS PRODUCT, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EMPTY NESTERS.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED A PLAYGROUND.
AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TO BASICALLY DEVELOP A PLAN? YES, SIR.
HI, I'M JOHN MORTON, THE PRESIDENT OF RESERVE AT THE FAIRWAYS.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE WOULD BE THE NEIGHBOR OF ALL THIS AND THINGS HAVE BEEN, UH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US AND SHARING A LOT OF INFORMATION AND, AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S KEEPS COMING UP, YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, EMERGENCY EXIT OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE PAVERS.
UM, SO IF IT, WHEN IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US THAT THE, THE ANTICIPATION WAS THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT, OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRE
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CODE WOULD REQUIRE IT.SO WE'RE NOT TAKING A STAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE, I STILL DIDN'T PICK UP ENOUGH FROM IN THIS MEETING OR ANY PRIOR CONVERSATIONS THAT EXPLAIN IF, IF YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING IT, WHY, WHY IT'S IN THERE? I SUPPOSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
UH, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY WELL WITH THEM.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BECOME AN OBSTRUCTION, JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO WHY IT'S EVEN BEING DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE FIRE STAFF STATE HERE? YOUR, THE MOST OF THE FIRE DISCUSSION WAS, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY WAS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF, UH, FIRE HYDRANTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THE SECONDARY EGRESS DIDN'T COME UP BECAUSE IT WAS PROPOSED.
UM, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD THAT THERE IS A SECONDARY AGGRESSOR, BUT AGAIN, IF, UM, IF IT'S A REAL ISSUE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS FINE WITHOUT IT, THEN I THINK WE CAN BE FINE WITHOUT IT.
IT DIDN'T COME UP IN, IN THE LETTER THAT I RE THAT I REVIEWED FROM, AS IT WAS SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
I'M ALL FOR LETTING THE FIRE DICTATE THAT.
JUST TO JEFFERY'S CLARITY FOR THE RESIDENTS, THERE'LL BE THIS, THIS EMERGENCY ACCESS.
ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S DRIVABLE FROM A REGULAR CAR WANTING TO USE IT AS A CUT-THROUGH OR ANYTHING WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM SOMETHING WE READ IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE DAILY ACCESS FOR A RESIDENT TO USE AS AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
IT IS PERMANENTLY CLOSED, UH, AND LESS THE MAIN ENTRANCE ON BRAND PIKE OR TO BE BLOCKED BY ANOTHER EMERGENCY ISSUE.
AND THEN THERE WAS A SECOND EMERGENCY THAT WAS OCCURRING IN THE SITE.
THE FIRE EMS HAS THE ABILITY TO UNLOCK, PULL UP THE BOLLARDS AND DRIVE IN.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A RARE OCCURRENCE, BUT IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S A SECONDARY AGGRESSIVE REQUIRED.
I ALSO THINK FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS, THERE'S A, AN EXISTING ONE, UH, NEXT TO THE Y OR THE AQUATIC CENTER, UM, GOING ON TO CHARLES GATE CHARLES GATE, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE CAN, WE CAN REVISIT THIS WITH, UM, REGINA AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS OWNING CASE? YES, SIR.
I'M JAMES FROM, I LIVE IN THE AREA AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THICKNESS AND I THINK CITY CODE REQUIRES IT ONLY IF YOU HAVE OVER 100 JUNIORS, IS THIS CORRECT? UH, SO IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF UNITS.
UM, SO THERE IS A, UH, IT IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
UH, YES, IT'S A HUNDRED UNITS.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A HYBRID OF THE BUILDING CODE WOULD CONSIDER THIS MULTIFAMILY.
SO THERE'S A LOWER THRESHOLD, BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE ACCESS.
SO WE WILL REVISIT THAT, THAT ISSUE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND IS IF, IF THEY'RE FINE WITH NOT HAVING IT, THE PLANNING STAFF IS FINE WITH NOT HAVING IT AS WELL.
AND IF IT WAS, OR I'D TAKE IT BE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT.
WELL, I CAN WALK UP HERE AND I LIKE THE POINTS UP TO NOW.
WELL, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE DO THIS RIGHT HERE.
I KNOW THIS IS A ROAD I WOULD LIKE THAT EXTENDED OUTPACE YOUR ORGANIC, JUST YOU WROTE HERE AND AT THAT EFFECT, WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WON'T WANT IT? CARLA? WHAT KIND OF A BUTTON I PLANNED IT IN HERE.
YOU GOT TO ASK ME THAT QUESTION AND I'LL DIRECT IT.
UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH PART OF MONTE-CARLO.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN, YOU CAN PLAY YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.
NOW THIS IS A ROAD THAT GOES DOWN THROUGH BETTER.
WHY DO WE NOT HAVE FUN ACROSS FROM THE ER, THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS? YEAH.
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UH, MAX PEYTON WITH LGB ON THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, THE MAIN RENAMING CANCER, MAX PEYTON WITH LGB, UH, THE MAIN REASON WE DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, MOUNTING THERE IS WE'RE USING THAT AREA FOR DETENTION.UM, IT'S A RETENTION, A DRY RETENTION POND, AND ALSO THERE ARE NO UNITS TO BLOCK.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA FROM, UH, VIEW AND LOADER ON THE, UH, TO THE SOUTH PART OF THE PAGE THERE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS FROM THOSE UNITS, THERE'S ACTUALLY OTHER UNITS.
SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFUL AND POLITE TO SHIELD, UH, BOTH SIDES.
UM, IT'S KIND OF THE, AND THEN AS FAR AS GOING AROUND WITHOUT ROAD TERMINATES, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT OUR PROPERTY TO, TO ADD, UH, MOUNTING.
CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW US WHY HE'S SAYING IT? NOT AS PROFITABLE? UH, SO I THINK LIKE RIGHT HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN THE MAJOR PROPERTY OR SHOWING THE TEMPLATES, UH, PARKING SET BACK AT 20 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK RIGHT HERE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? LAB OR NOT A BERM IN OR SOME KIND OF VEGETATION FROM ANGELS, ALL THAT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH HERE, MAYBE DRY, SO, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WHAT ABOUT ALVIN WARY AND YOU ADDRESS THAT? SO WE'LL GET FURTHER INTO THE DETAILED LANDSCAPING, UH, REGARDING THE SCREENING.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO A FULL SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF SCREENING, UH, VIA SHRUBS OR TREES OR SOMETHING TO SHIELD THE, UH, EXISTING FROM THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS.
AND IF I MIGHT ADD TOO, WE, WE WANTED TO, TO MAKE THESE LOOK LIKE TWO SEPARATE COMMUNITIES AND WE DON'T.
UM, AND I THINK WHEN WE GO TO THE DETAILED PLAN LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS IS TWO COMMUNITIES HERE, NOT JUST ONE WITH ONE ADDED ONTO IT.
DOES THAT ANSWER, DOES THAT HELP YOU OUT? YEAH, NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR YOUR POCKET.
HOW MUCH ROOM WOULD IT PAY? WHY DON'T YOU PAY THE SIX FOOT WALL? YOU WOULD NEED A SIX FOOT, UM, MOUND WOULD BE AROUND, UH, 40 FEET TO BE AROUND 40 FEET, 4, 0 40 FOR A 66 FOOT MOUND.
WHY WOULD WE NEED 40 FEET SPACE AT ALL TO MAINTAIN MOBILITY OF THAT MOUND MOBILITY? SO YOU COULD MO PERFORM LANDSCAPING, UH, ON THE MOUND.
YOU HAVE PAID ALL OF THIS THE MOUNTAIN STARTS AFTER THE SETBACK, THE MOUNTING STOPS AFTER THE SETBACK, ALL OF THAT WANTING TO HAVE TO GET AT THE CORRECT? CORRECT.
NOW, WHEN WERE YOU ACCURATE FROM THAT? REFERRING TO THE, UH, THE STREAM THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT THE WINTER ROAD, YOU CAN'T KILL HER THROAT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE ENGINEERING AND ENGINEERING, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE DURING THE ENGINEERING, UM, OF THE PROP OF THE PROJECT.
WE WOULD GET FURTHER INTO THE DESIGN DURING THIS DETAILED DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NOT AGAINST HIS PRODUCT WHEN YOU MAKE IT CLEAR.
, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FORCE ANYTHING ON YOU THAT ACTUALLY CAUSED A FEW PROBLEMS AND BUILD YET.
IN FACT, WE LEFT IT ALL IN OUR PRODUCT, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT THERE AND THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, YOU HAVE THAT.
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RIGHT.BUT ALSO WE LIKED THE WHOLE AREA, NOT AND READING ABOUT THAT, WHERE I REALLY FIND TO BE A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PERMIT BEFORE ANY PAINT DONE IN THAT AREA.
IN FACT, MAY PROBABLY GO TO IT FOR ME TO HEAR A DIME, NOT RIGHT, THAT I COULD NOT ANSWER.
UH, SO WE PLAN TO STAY OUT OF THE STREAM, UM, NOT GRADE WITHIN IT AT ALL.
UM, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND SPRING, APPROXIMATELY 43,000 IN PARKING, IN THE POND AREA ALL THE WAY ON.
SO THE WET RETENTION POND WILL BE A STANDARD SIMILAR TO THE POND.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY? UM, IT'LL JUST BE USED AS A, YOU KNOW, A FEATURE, UM, IT'LL HOLD WATER, BUT IT WILL NOT BE, UH, UH, UH, DESIGNED WETLAND.
ARE YOU SAYING THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO USE THE WET AREA? YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A NEW POND.
ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A DUPONT PART OF THE WET AREA THERE AND DRAIN IT INTO THE SHRINK? SO WE HAVEN'T DONE A DETAILED ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS ON THE SITE YET.
UH, AS FAR AS IF THERE'S AN EXISTING WETLAND OR, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT IT MORE DETAIL.
THIS WAS A SOCIAL BEFORE, SO MR. BARTON, AND THIS IS THE BASIC, AND THEN ONCE THEY GET THROUGH THAT, BEFORE THEY GO TO THE DETAIL, THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL UNCOVER, IF THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT THAT'S GOING TO GO TO ENGINEERING BEFORE ANY OF THIS.
QUANTUM MATH, WELL, THE PLAN NOW YOU SHOULD, THEY DO THEY SAY THE CATCH WILL BE APPROVED? WELL, THAT THE HELL OUT.
AND THAT DID COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COUNCIL AGAIN? YES, YES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YES, SIR.
UH, THE NAMES OF BERRY PAIN AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT IN, UH, RESERVES AT THE FAIRWAY.
UH, I, I'M JUST LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, PLEASE.
SIGN BEFORE YOU SIGNED, BEFORE I SPEAK OKAY.
UH, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M SEEKING SOME CLARIFICATION.
IS THIS A ONE LIT B UH, PHASE CONSTRUCTION? I MEAN, WE'VE LIVED THROUGH PROCESS.
I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 2006 AND SEEN NOTHING, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN WHAT'S THERE BUILT AND THEN NOTHING FOR 16 YEARS.
AND NOW, UH, WILL I BE SEEING THE SAME THING AGAIN, AS FAR AS WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PHASE THIS IN UNITS BY UNIT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DEMAND OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS ALL AT ONE SHOT? MR. SIMS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? SO WE, IT'S KIND OF PRETTY SURE WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING TWO PHASES.
UM, WE ARE PLANNING ON BREAKING GROUND, UH, ONCE WE HAVE OUR APPROVALS, UH, LAYING UNDER, UM, AIR POSSESSION, UM, TO BREAK GROUND THIS JUNE, JULY, UH, TWO PHASES.
SO WE'LL HAVE A MODEL OPEN UP, UH, NEXT WINTER, MAYBE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.
UM, AND WE SELL 15 HOMES A YEAR TYPICALLY.
UM, SO, SO THREE OR FOUR YEARS MIGHT BE OUR TIMELINE, IF NOT MARKET CONDITIONS.
UH, IF WE HAD SOME OF THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'D BE SOLD OUT.
SO, UM, AS, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN BUILD IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
SO I GUESS THE EXPECTATION WOULD, WE WOULD BE SEEING CONSTRUCTION GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS, ABOUT THREE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, UH, AS FAR AS PROCESS THEN, I MEAN, WILL THEY, WILL, WILL THEY BUILD THE ROAD FIRST AND THEN DO THE CONSTRUCTION? UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE EXISTING ROADS THAT I CURRENTLY COORDINATE.
AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE LIGHTING AND THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, UH, RIGHT NOW I ENJOY,
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I HAVE LIKE A BAY WINDOW AND I GET TO SEE THE STARS AT NIGHT.NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU DO YOU REQUIRE A CERTAIN ILLUMINATION OR AS FAR AS LIGHT POLLUTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, AM I GOING TO GET WASHED OUT AS FAR AS MY VIEW NOW THAT I'VE HAD FOR ALL THIS TIME? YEAH.
SO, UM, THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE, UH, IT'S UNLIKELY.
SO THE, UM, THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW LIGHT PER TRESPASS OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, WE WILL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF STREET LIGHTING UH, IF ANY, THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT IS GOING TO PROPOSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, IT'S BASED ON THAT SITE PLAN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU LIVE.
UM, UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME, UM, SMALL BOLLARD LIGHTING ALONG THE WALKING PATHS, UH, AT S FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BUT I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE ANY KIND OF HIGH INTENSITY, UM, BIG OVERHEAD STREET LIGHTS OR ANY OF THAT MANNER, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN TALK TO, CAN SPEAK TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS, UM, DEVELOPMENTS.
IS THERE A POINT IN TIME WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE WOULD GET AN, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THE LIGHTING WILL BE? YEAH.
SO THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS IS THIS IS A TWO STEP PROCESS, REALLY THREE STEPS.
UM, SO THE, FOR TODAY, UM, UH, SEEKING THE APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THAT WILL THEN GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UM, IF THEY APPROVE IT, THEN THE DEVELOPER HAS THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO DOWN TO THE NEXT LEVEL ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WILL REALLY SEE THE DETAILS ON THE LANDSCAPING, THE LIGHTING, UM, BUILDING ELEVATIONS ISSUES, UH, RELATING TO DETENTION, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL, UH, TOPOGRAPHY REQUIRED FOR THE WET AND DRY DETENTION AREAS.
UH, AND SO THAT WILL WE BE YET ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THAT, THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH THEM.
UH, NOW, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S GOING UP AND DOWN 2 0 1, UH, THIS ENTRANCE, UH, IS IT GOING TO BE A GATED ENTRANCE OR THERE IS NO GATE BEING PROPOSED, UM, BY THE APPLICANT, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, SHOWED PRETTY MINIMAL, UH, IMPACT, UM, AND WOULDN'T WARRANT ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION THERE.
I, I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNAL.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, UH, I KNOW THAT LIKE, PER US, IF WE GET STACKED UP WITH TWO TO THREE CARS, WE'RE IN THE STREET, SO THERE WAS NO GATE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND I'M LOOKING AT THE APPLICANT TO SAYING YAY OR NAY.
AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH THIS MAY NOT BE MY CONCERN, AS FAR AS SCHOOL BUS, UH, IS THERE ROOM FOR A BUS, THE COME IN AND GET OUT AT THE, AT THE, AT THE PRIVACY PART, OR ARE THEY GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY IN, UH, IS, IS THERE A PLAN PICK UP SOMEWHERE IN THERE? SO JUST LOOKING AT THE TURNING RADIUS IS A SCHOOL BUS CAN MAKE, UH, ALL OF THESE, UM, SAME WAY.
WE WILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRETRUCK CAN, CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'LL BE PROGRAMMED.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE SPEAKING FOR YOU, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE A SCHOOL DROP OFF, PICK UP DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE.
I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE KNOW OF THE SCHOOL.
I THINK THEY'LL MAKE THAT DECISION.
IS THIS MONTGOMERY COUNTY OR MONTGOMERY COUNTY? IT'S MIAMI.
THAT'S MIAMI COUNTY, RIGHT ON THE LINE.
I THINK THIS IS THE LAST PARCEL.
THIS IS THE LAST PARCEL OF MONTGOMERY.
OH, ANYWAY, LAST QUESTION TO ME.
UM, I NEVER QUESTIONED WHEN YOU SEND OUT THESE NOTICES, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A CONDO ASSOCIATION OR A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, I NOTICED ON THERE, HER SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONLY NOTIFY TO PEOPLE IN SO MANY FEET OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT IS GOING ON.
BUT SINCE THIS AREA IS A COMMON AREA, WHICH IS OWNED BY EVERYONE IN THAT COMMUNITY, HOW COME THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IS NOT NOTIFIED.
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THE NOTIFICATIONS GO TO THE OWNER THAT IS A RECORD ON THE TAX DUPLICATE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SAYING THAT WHOLE PROPERTY, YOU GOT ROAD WITHIN 200 FEET OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IS OWNED BY EVERYONE IN THAT ASSOCIATION.BUT THE ASSOCIATION PROBABLY HAS A MAILING ADDRESS, AND IT WOULD GO TO THAT MAILING ADDRESS, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS, UNLESS THEY WERE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
ARE YOU SITTING? THE RESIDENCE HAS TO BE IN 200 FEET OR PROPERTY, BOTH.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
IT'S 200 FEET OF WITHIN THE IT'S 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE OF THOSE, UH, PARCELS ON THE TAX DUPLICATE IS HOW IT'S DETERMINED.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT HAS ONE OWNER, THE OWNER OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING WOULD BE NOTIFIED, NOT EVERY INDIVIDUAL WHO LIVES IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK YEAH, THE HOA AND MR. MARSHALL, THE HOA WOULD GET NOTIFIED WHO THE HOA IS.
THE RECORDED OWNER OF THE ROAD IS BASICALLY SAYING, AND THEN THE HOA ASSUMPTION WOULD BE TO NOTIFY THE HOA MEMBERS PLUS RESIDENTS.
ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I'M CHRISTINE OLIN SKI, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF THE RESERVE AT THE FAIRWAYS.
AND MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH 2 0 1 AND RIGHT PAST OUR ENTRANCE IS WHERE THE ROAD GOES FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE AS IT HEADS NORTH.
UM, EVERYBODY RACES TO GET IN FRONT OF THE OTHER CARS THAT ARE IN FROM THE RIGHT LANE INTO THE LEFT LANE.
AND I GUESS JUST AS A POINT OF CONCERN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE INTO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT JUST PAST US.
I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE WHERE IT'S ALREADY ONE LANE.
AND AT SOME POINT THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG IMPACT ON 2 0 1 THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE.
I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS AT THE TWO LANES, CAUSE I LOOKED AT THAT.
SO WHEN WE DID OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THERE IS A NEED FOR A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE, UM, THERE'S THERE'S PLANS FOR A MODIFICATION TO BRAND TO ADD A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, MR. JEFFRIES, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
CAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT PART SINCE THAT'S NEWS AND DROPPING A LANE, TAKING A LANE AWAY FROM BRAND PIKE, RIGHT? THERE IS A LITTLE CONCERNED, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
YOU'RE TAKING A LANE AWAY FROM BRAND PIKE FOR 74 HOUSES.
SO THERE'S RIGHT NOW IT'S, UM, THERE'S TWO LANES EACH WAY, RIGHT? UH, AT THE ENTRANCE HERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE LANE EACH WAY.
AND WITH A MEDIAN, WE WOULD BE TAKING PART OF THE MEDIAN.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS IN THE TWO LANES SECTION OF RIGHT.
BUT NO, I THINK IT'S A PAINTED MEDIAN.
IT'S NOT A CON IT'S NOT LANDSCAPED MEDIA, SO IT'S, IT'S A PAINTED.
SO I WOULD PLAN ON HAVING THAT AS PART OF THE APPROVAL, RIGHT.
ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD THEN.
AND WHAT ELSE WISH TO SPEAK WITH A ZONING CASE CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT CHARLES V SINCE, SORRY, IF WE'RE VOTING FOR AN APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO ADD AN AMENDMENT FOR THE LANES ON BRAND PIPE WHEN IT GETS TO COUNCIL.
IF WE'RE AT THE SECTION WHERE IT'S CUT DOWN TO ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION AND WE HAVE A NEED FOR THAT EXPANSION, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AT CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC AND SPEED THERE AS WELL.
I THINK IT WOULDN'T HURT TO LOOK AT ACTUALLY TAKING THE SPEED LIMIT TO 35 PAST CHARACTER PARKWAY, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER
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TOPIC.IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE DECIDES OR, UH, SO IT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF A CITY AND STATE, BUT MOSTLY CITY NOW HOW IT'S FUNDED IS LARGELY STATE.
BUT I THINK THAT DECISION CAN BE DONE LOCALLY AS FAR AS RESTRAINING AND ADDRESSING THAT.
SINCE IT'S WITHIN THE JURISDICTION.
AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO WIDEN THE ROAD IF IT'S NECESSARY, BUT THIS BEING A STATE ROUTE, I'M QUITE SURE THE STATE IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN YES OR NO.
IF YOU CAN DO IT NOW, THE FUNDING'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROBLEM.
BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THE WIDENING.
NOT LATER AND WITH OURS AND A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, I JUST THAT'S PUTS IT IN THE NOTES WHERE IT HAS TO BE DISCUSSED WHEN IT GETS TO THEM AS MY THOUGHTS.
SO IF THEY OPT OUT OF IT, THAT'S UP TO THEM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT NUMBER FIVE? YEAH.
MR. SARAH, WHAT LANGUAGE WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE FOR NUMBER FIVE? UH, HOLD ON.
SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE AREA, WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE A ON HERE.
I THINK THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH, AND THE PAVEMENT WITH ARE ADEQUATE IN FRONT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF, UM, RE STRIPING FOUR TURN LANES, UH, IN, SO I DON'T THINK ANY, WE'LL BE IN THE SECTION TWO LANES EACH DIRECTION.
ARE WE IN THOSE SECTIONS WHERE IT'S DROPPED DOWN TO ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION? IT, IT, THIS IS IN FRONT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WHERE IT SLOWLY TAPERS INTO ONE, UM, ONE LANE ON THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION.
IT'S A SIGN ON THE SOUTHBOUND.
ON THE, ON THE CARRIAGE, ON THE METRO PARKS SIDE, IT DOES STOP, WHICH IS WHERE THEY SAID THEY NEEDED THE LEFT TURN IN.
UM, SO HOW ABOUT ON FOR NUMBER FIVE, UM, THAT TH THAT IMPROVEMENTS MAY BE NEEDED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER? CAUSE I, HE, HE, HE DID NOT BRING THIS UP AS AN ISSUE, UM, BECAUSE I THINK PART OF IT IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS IMPROVED, THAT SET OF ROADWAY HAS IMPROVED AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE MINUS THE CHANGING AND STRIPING, UM, FROM THE NORTH PART OF THEIR PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
SO THAT STREET SECTION FOR WHAT THEY WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE HAS BEEN IMPROVED.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF CHANGING THE, THE PAINTING AND THE STRIPING, UM, AND THEN ADDRESSING THIS, THE AREA NORTH OF THAT FOR FUTURE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM SAFETY.
I MEAN, I DRIVE THAT I LIVE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
I DRIVE THAT ALL THE TIME AND IT IS ONCE IT GETS DOWN TO WHERE THAT TWO LANES IS ABOUT TO DROP TO ONE, IT BECOMES A RACE A LOT OF THE TIMES WITH PEOPLE.
AND THEN IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY TURNING LEFT INTO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT CAMPED OUT THERE, I'M KIND OF BUSY.
SO I THINK WE LOOK AT, UM, AS, AS WE'RE, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, WE WILL LOOK AT HOW TO, TO RESTRIPE THAT APPROPRIATELY TO ACCOUNT FOR A FUTURE LEFT TURN LANE.
AND DEAR SECRETARY, DO YOU HAVE GOOD QUESTION OUT THERE? WE HAVE CLOSED IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON HERE.
SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT CHARGE CHARLES V SEMS DEVELOPMENT FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT BRANT PIKE PARCEL NUMBER PIECE 70 DASH 0 3 9 1 0 DASH 0 0 5 7 OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY OHIO RECORDS CASE B P D 22 DASH OH SEVEN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MARCH 7TH, 2022, AND THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS RECORD MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL AS FARGO? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO WE WILL GET WITH THE APPLICANT TO GET ANY REVISED DOCUMENTS AND THEN WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
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GOOD, GOOD.NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, A MARGIN TALK CAR IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 35 ACRES AT STATE ROUTE 2 35 FOR SERVICE STATION CASE B D P 22 DASH OH EIGHT, MR. SORRELL.
SO, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, PROVIDED SOME PRELIMINARY REVISED PLANS THAT, UM, JERRY HAS MR. .
SO THIS IS, UH, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC ZONING, UM, PLAN AND REZONING, UM, FROM I WANTED TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.
SO THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY HAD APPLIED FOR A REZONING FROM TO PLAN INDUSTRIAL, UM, AFTER REVIEWING WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO DO PLANNED COMMERCIAL AS THE APPROPRIATE ZONING.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISTRICT? NOT, NOT, I WANT, SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE.
UM, ACTUALLY I DIDN'T DRAW THIS CORRECTLY.
IT SHOULD ALSO DROP DOWN HERE.
THIS IS, UM, 2 35 I 70 IS JUST TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS LARGELY, UH, THERE IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL, UH, ON THE NORTH WEST CORNER OF, UH, CENTER POINT 70 THERE'S PLANNING COMMERCIAL, UH, TO THE, DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
THE, UH, THE BOUNDARY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS A RIGHT ENDS RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S ANOTHER, PROBABLY 400 ACRES OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LAND TO THE EAST THAT COULD BE OPENED UP IF, UH, CENTER POINT 70 WERE TO, UH, EXPAND, UH, TO, UM, CUT THROUGH AND, UH, AND BE EXTENDED EASTWARD INTO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PAST THE CITY OR AT LEAST TO THE CITY BOUNDARY IF NOT PASSED THROUGH IN THE FUTURE.
UH, SO WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW, AND FOR THE NEXT CONVERSATION.
SO AGAIN, IT'S 35 ACRES, UM, CURRENTLY ZONED, I WANT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE.
UH, IT IS AGRICULTURE NOW, UH, THAT'S THE EXISTING LAND USE IT'S BEING FARMED.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL APPLICATION TO ZONE TO THE PROPERTY TO PLANT INDUSTRIAL.
AFTER REVIEWING THE USES PLANTS, COMMERCIAL IS THE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE ASK.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FEELING CENTER, CONVENIENCE STORE, RESTAURANT, TRUCK STOP, UM, AND A DIESEL REPAIR FACILITY ON APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES OF, OF THAT 35 ACRE PARCEL.
SO THAT WILL EVENTUALLY NEED TO BE SUBDIVIDED IF THIS REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS APPROVED.
THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED EATS APPROXIMATELY 6,700 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND TWO FIVE PUMP ISLANDS, UM, ONE FOR AUTOMOBILES, THE OTHER, UH, IN THE REAR FOR, UM, FOR SEMI-TRUCKS OR OTHER DIESEL DIESEL USERS.
UM, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 62 PARKING SPACES BEING PROPOSED, UH, 10 ARE FOR SEMI-TRUCKS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT HUBER HEIGHTS LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF THE SEMI PARKING TO NO MORE THAN 10.
SO THIS IS NOT YOUR LOVE'S TRUCK STOP, OR, UM, PICK ONE OF YOUR BIG TRUCK STOPS TO HAVE A HUNDRED SEMIS PARKED IN THE
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REAR, UH, OVERNIGHT.THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER, UM, FACILITY.
THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE SITE I'M LOOKING.
THIS IS STANDING AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, LOOKING TO THE NORTH 2 35 IS HERE TO THE, TO THE WEST.
THIS IS LOOKING TO THE SOUTH TOWARDS, UM, I 70, THERE IS AN EXISTING DRAINAGE CULVERT THAT, UM, BASICALLY TAKES THE DRAINAGE FROM ONE OF THE RETENTION PONDS.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 2 35 GOES UNDER 2 35 AND DUMPS IT INTO THIS SITE, UH, THAT WILL BE NEED, WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, DURING THE, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE IS ALSO A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.
SO, UM, WHEN I WALKED DOWN INTO THE SITE, UM, I COULDN'T SEE OVER THE BERM.
SO THIS IS, UH, AT LEAST AN EIGHT FOOT SEVEN TO EIGHT FOOT, UM, GRADE, UH, DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE TOP 2 35 AND THE BASE HERE.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING EAST, UH, TOWARDS THE, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE CORPORATE BOUNDARY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING TO THE WEST, UH, IF YOU WERE AT THE, UM, NORTH EAST, OR EXCUSE ME, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE LOOKING DIRECTLY WEST, THIS IS CENTER POINT 70.
UM, AND SO THERE IS AN ALIGNMENT OPPORTUNITY, OR AT LEAST A PARTIAL ALIGNMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR A FUTURE CONSIDERATION.
UH, THESE ARE THE HUNDREDS OF ACRES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE OPENED UP IF THERE WERE A LARGER, UM, EXTENSION OF A CENTER POINT 70 TO THE EAST.
THIS IS NOT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
IT'S NOT IN THE TRANSPORTATION THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UH, I IMAGINE IT MIGHT BE, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, BUT SINCE WE WERE HERE, I THOUGHT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST PROTECT A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, INTEREST IF WE EVER AT SOME POINT WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT EXTENSION.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO HERE IS THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A RESTAURANT ATTACHED TO IT, UH, IN THE REAR WAY IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS THE DIESEL REPAIR FACILITY.
UH, BACK HERE ARE THE FIVE, UM, SEMI-TRUCK OR DIESEL PUMPS.
I SHOULD SAY THE DIESEL PUMP ISLANDS THAT ARE UNDER AWNING.
UH, THESE ARE THE FIVE AUTOMOBILE, UM, PUMPS.
SO HERE'S THE ALIGNMENT WITH CENTER POINT 70 AGAIN, UM, IT, A REASON WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN SO THAT IF WE WERE TO, UH, AT SOME FUTURE POINT EXTEND SEVEN, UH, THIS ROADWAY ONE, IT OPENS UP THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN, UM, THIS ALIGNMENT PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATES THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO CHANGE THIS.
HERE'S A MORE DETAILED, UM, ASPECTS OF, THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT A, TO HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN, BUT THEY HAVE STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT.
UH, HERE ARE THE 10 SEMI TRUCK PARKING SPACES IN THE REAR.
THEY ARE DIMENSIONED CORRECTLY, ACCORDING TO CITY CODE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS OUR RENDERINGS OF THE TWO FACILITIES THEY'RE PROPOSING A, UH, A MASONARY, UH, WATERCOURSE, UH, AND THEN, UH, A STUCCO EFS AS PART OF THE, UH, EXTERIOR CLADDING, BOTH OF THE, UH, BOTH THE MAIN BUILDING, THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND RESTAURANT, UH, ARE, ARE ALL, BOTH BUILDINGS ARE, ARE DESIGNED IN A SIMILAR, UM, APPEARANCE, THE SHOWS, THE RENDERINGS OR THE MOCK-UP OF, UH, THE TWO, UH, ISLANDS.
THIS IS THE, THE DIESEL ISLAND, WHICH IS LESS ORNATE.
UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE AT THE GAS CANOPY ISLANDS, THEY ARE PROPOSING A BRICK WRAPPING FOR EACH OF THE, THE POLES.
SO THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT OUR, UH, OUR MASONARY REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE, AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE, UH, THAT IS IMPORTANT AS A DESIGN AESTHETIC IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IN MY STAFF REPORT, I WENT THROUGH, UM, MOST I WENT THROUGH THE RELEVANT SECTIONS.
UH, WHAT I DID FOR BREVITY IS I, UH, TRY TO BASICALLY, UH, IDENTIFY WHERE THEY WEREN'T COMPLIANT.
SO, UH, MY ABSENCE OF DISCUSSION WAS, WAS ESSENTIALLY COMPLIANT IN THIS, UH, THIS SECTION.
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THE, THE APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS, UH, ARE 11 71, 11 76, 11 81, 11 82, UH, AND 1185.UM, AND THEN LASTLY, WHICH I DIDN'T PUT ON HERE, 1193, WHICH IS THE SEMI TRUCK PARKING.
SO GOING THROUGH EACH OF THE REQUIREMENTS, THE PROPOSED USES ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE, UH, IN THE PLAN PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS AUTOMOBILE SERVICE, OR EXCUSE ME, YEAH.
MOTOR VEHICLE SERVICE, UH, AND FUELING STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES.
UH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS THE REASON THIS COULDN'T BE DONE IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UM, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
IT'S THE CONVENIENCE STORE THAT REALLY KICKS THIS TO THE REQUIRED, UM, INDUSTRIAL, THE PLAN INDICATES A 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER YARD, WHICH WAS ACCURATE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UH, IT GETS ENLARGED TO A 15 FOOT, UM, BUFFER FOR IN THE PLAN COMMERCIAL.
SO THAT WILL BE A REVISION THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE MADE ALL THEIR STANDARDS FOR THIS CHAPTER ARE MET.
UM, SO I MENTIONED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES INDICATE POTENTIAL LOCATIONS FOR, UM, LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING.
UH, SO THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, UH, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE WILL, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE AREAS ARE MET.
THEY DID NOT SHOW STREET TREES.
I THINK THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WE WILL HAVE IF THIS MOVES FORWARD TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE GET INTO THE GRADING, THAT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARY HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.
UM, SO THAT THAT'S, AGAIN, SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO DEAL WITH IT, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT BASE, UM, THE PARKING REGULATIONS, THE, THIS PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVE ELIMINATED FIVE SEVERE ARE 67 REQUIRED SPACES.
IF THE, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE RESTAURANT, THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE BUILDINGS IS USED FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE RESTAURANT, THEY'RE SHOWING 62, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, THE MAXIMUM, THE REQUIRED PARKING WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE SIXTIES.
UM, ONCE YOU PULL OUT STORAGE AND OFFICE, AND ALL OF THOSE USES THAT DON'T COUNT TOWARDS PARKING FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE, THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED WILL PROBABLY WILL BE LESS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LESS CAUSE, UM, THE FOUR PLANS AREN'T DETAILED YET.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, HE WRITES LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF SEMI-TRUCKS SPACES FOR BASICALLY NON-INDUSTRIAL USES TO 10, UH, AND THEY MEET THAT, UH, THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA.
SO OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES INDICATE THIS AREA IS, UH, FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.
UH, THERE ARE SOME PLANS COMMERCIAL AROUND IT.
THE WENDY'S THE TACO BELL, THERE'S A SHELL STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THE SURROUNDING USES THOUGH ARE, UM, ARE INDUSTRIAL.
AS I TALKED ABOUT CENTER POINT 70 RIGHT NOW, I THINK THIS WOULD, THIS CONFIGURATION REALLY LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO EXTEND THAT ALIGNMENT.
UM, AGAIN, GIVEN THE, UM, THE DEPAL GRAPHY, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUSH A BOULEVARD TO THE EAST WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT SITE WORK AND SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE, BUT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SMALLER ROADWAY, UH, THROUGH THAT TO THE EAST.
UM, WE'VE REQUESTED THE APPLICANT TO REDESIGN THE SITE PLAN.
UH, HE BROUGHT, UM, A, A PROPOSED NEW SITE PLAN, WHICH WE JUST GOT TODAY.
SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, AMENABLE TO MAKING THOSE CHANGES.
SO WE FEEL THAT THE BASIC PROPOSED PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, THE PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS.
UM, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS THAT THE 15 FOOT BUFFER YARD, UH, BE ILLUSTRATED ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN STREET TREES, UH, BE PLACED EVERY 40 FEET, UH, THE APPLICANT REVISE AND THE ALIGNMENT AND LOCATION OF THE PUMPS.
UM, SO THAT DOES ALLOW FOR A FUTURE EXTENSION, UM, THE APPLICANT PLY WITH ALL THE FIRE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS REALLY ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD AS, AS APPROVED, UM, DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU WANT TO RELY ON STAFF TO BASE, TO, TO REVIEW THE REVISED PLANS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THAT ABILITY TO PUSH, UM, CENTER POINT 70, OR WOULD YOU, WOULD IT BE BEST TO, IN A SENSE TABLE THIS AND COME BACK WITH A NEW REVISED PLAN THAT WE HAVE,
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UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT? SO I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD EITHER WAY, BUT THAT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOUR DECISION? WHAT MORE WOULD WE SEE BESIDES WHAT WAS HANDED ABOUT? UM, WELL, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, SO I'M NOT SURE.I THINK IT DID A NICE JOB IN REALIGNING THESE BUILDINGS.
UH, I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME TIME, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER, UH, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED SINCE THE APPLICANT IS HERE? IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE USES WHETHER OR NOT THE ENTIRE 35 ACRES SHOULD BE REZONED OR LIMITED TO THIS, ET CETERA, HOW DID THE REST OF YOU FEEL? I MEAN, I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM THEM WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
I'M NOT A FAN OF VOTING SOMETHING THROUGH.
THAT'S FINE, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW ANYWAY, I CAN SEE IT, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING IT, WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT HAVING US NOT BE LANDLOCKED AND HAVE ACCESS FROM CENTER POINT 70 TO EXPAND.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT THAT THE APPLICANTS WERE AMENABLE TO THIS.
UM, SO GO THROUGH, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, NO, I I'M IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED TO US AS A, AS A REVISED PLAN.
I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU IF THERE'S ANYTHING MISSING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE ASKED THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING I'VE ASKED THEM TO DO.
SO ONE ON THE ENTRY AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MIGHT BE STUFF THAT COMES IN MORE INTO THE DETAILED SIDE, BUT, UM, SO WE HAVE THE ONE ENTRY EXIT COMING IN ON, UH, 2 35 LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE OF THE PORK CHOP ISLANDS, RIGHT.
IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT A DROP LANE FOR TRAFFIC.
IF WE'RE HAVING A PLACE THAT NEEDS 60 PARKING SPACES, OR DO WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY THERE, I GUESS WILL BE A QUESTION I'LL HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THAT INFO.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS MY OTHER MAIN QUESTION, IT'S AG NOW, AND IT'S AG SURROUNDING.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS MUCH PAVEMENT WITH THE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF WITH OVERNIGHT PARKING, UH, TRUCKS AND DIESEL DIESEL SERVICE WORK, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT, I GUESS, WHAT OTHER CONSIDERATIONS DO WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE AGRICULTURAL LAND AROUND US? SO THE APPLICANT PROBABLY CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THIS OVERHEAD.
LET'S SEE, THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH.
THE APPLICANT IS ESSENTIALLY BUYING ALL OF THIS.
UH, AND SO THERE IS A LARGE RETENTION POND THAT EXISTS EXISTING NOW.
UM, I THINK WE WOULD NEED THE CALCULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COULD STILL BE USED, BUT MY BAD ENGINEERING SKILLS, JUST LOOKING AT IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS DUMPING FROM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FEEDING INTO THAT.
UM, ON THE LANDSCAPING, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE 40 STREET TREES.
WELL THERE, UM, IN THE D AND THIS MAY BE COME BACK IN THE DETAILED, WILL THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN THE DETAILED PLAN? IF SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, YOU MAKING SURE THAT THE SIGHT LINE IS VIEWABLE FROM ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UM, IF WE HAVE LIKE, UM, ISLAND LANDSCAPING, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
UM, SO THEY HAD SHOWN CONCEPTION, NOT, THEY, THEY INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPING IN THE ISLANDS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I THINK WITH THIS KIND OF VEHICLE, UM, VEHICLE MOVEMENT ON SITE, WE WANT TO BE ESPECIALLY COGNIZANT OF SIGHT LINES AND STUFF THAT ISN'T GOING TO GET IN THE WAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE SERVICING.
SINCE IT'S SERVICING ACTUAL VEHICLES AND THE SEMIS, I THINK THAT SIGHT LINE IS PROBABLY MORE NEEDED.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VEGETATION IS POLLUTION TOLERANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF FUMES ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND RUNOFF AND SALT AND ALL THAT.
MR. JEFFERY'S ON THE 10 SPACES ALLOWED FOR TRUCKS BY OUR CODE.
DOES THAT COUNT THE, ANY VEHICLES THAT ARE SERVICED AS FAR AS OVERNIGHT DROP-OFFS OR IS IT 10 PLUS WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT IN THE MAINTENANCE AREAS, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING ONSITE.
SO THE CODE, IT WOULD BE 10 PLUS WHATEVER THEY WERE SERVICING IN THE BASE, THE CODE ESSENTIALLY, AND PARAPHRASING IS FOR, UM, BASICALLY 10 STATIC PARKING SPACES.
SO IF THEY'RE ACTIVELY REPAIRING
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THE, UH, THE SEMIS, UM, THAT WOULD BE TWO PLUS.AND I GUESS MY QUESTION THEN WOULD BE, IF IT CAME DOWN TO OBVIOUSLY WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND STUFF, RIGHT NOW SAY THEY'RE WAITING ON PARTS FOR A FEW DAYS.
SO THE TRUCK IS STORED ONSITE.
THAT'S ALSO A MAINTENANCE VEHICLE.
DOES THAT COUNT AS OVERNIGHT? OR DOES THAT COUNT AS MAINTENANCE? I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CLARIFY, OR IF THAT'S MAYBE A QUESTION FOR THEM ON HOW THEY'VE HANDLED IT.
AND I'M SURE IF IT'S A TRUCK IN HERE FOR MAINTENANCE, I MEAN, THEIR, THEIR GOAL IS TO GET ON THE ROAD AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
SO THEY DON'T WANT TO BE CAMPED OUT AND LOCKED DOWN.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR CLARIFY, IT'S WHEN THEY FIND OUT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO CLARIFY IN THE, IN THE PUD STANDARDS AND, AND TALK TO THE APPLICANT THAT, ABOUT HOW THEY TYPICALLY HANDLE THIS.
I THINK THE INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE IS TO PROHIBIT LARGE TRUCK STOPS, WHICH DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF JOBS, UM, AND HAVE OTHER USES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS .
I HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, MR. TUCKER ON SEVERAL PROPERTIES, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD HAD MENTIONED, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE PLANT THAT HAD SUBMITTED TO AARON TONIGHT, UM, HE DID REQUEST THAT WE REALIGN CENTER POINT 70 AND THE DRIVE, AND WE ARE MORE THAN ACCOMMODATING.
AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
NOT ONLY DOES THAT HELP, HELP THE PROPERTY, IT ALSO HELPS THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE LANDSCAPING, EVERY PROJECT THAT I'VE DONE WITH HIM SO FAR, HE'S NEVER SKIMPED ON LANDSCAPING OR HE, ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES BLEND IN WITH THEIR SURROUNDINGS.
IF THAT MAKES SENSE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE A WALMART BUILT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND THEN, SO, AND THAT WILL COME WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPING, OF COURSE.
UM, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE OVERNIGHT PARKING.
SO I KNOW YOU ASKED IF THE TRUCKS WOULD BE THERE OVERNIGHT, THE TRACTORS THEMSELVES, MAYBE THEY'RE OVERNIGHT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TRAILERS WITH THEM IF THEY'RE IN FOR SERVICE, BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A TRUCK IS TO MAKE MONEY IN A TRAILER SITTING.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? ARE WE TABLING? I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WANTED IT DID, BUT NOBODY ELSE CHIMED IN ON THAT.
OH, I WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? OKAY.
IF YOU'RE ON A TABLE AND HAVE ERIN DIVE INTO IT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT TO ME.
I DIDN'T REALLY EITHER WAY SINCE IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL, IF YOU WANT TO TABLE OUT BACK AND GOOD AND I'LL NEED A MOTION TO THE TABLE THIS TILL HONESTLY, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GET THIS ON THE NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE JUST GLANCING AT IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, TURNING THIS AROUND TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE THE 28TH.
SO IT WOULD BE A FEW DAYS DELAY, BUT, UM, I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED ALMOST EVERYTHING.
SO IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE 29TH OR 29TH MOVED BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECOND, MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
SO WE'RE MOVING A MOTION TO TABLE 2, 3 29, CORRECT? MR. JEFFRIES AND MS. THOMAS IS WHO? YES.
MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO TO TABLE.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, 22 DASH 0 8 2.
OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.THE APPLICANT DEC LAND COMPANY ONE LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION SEVEN PHASE FIVE OF CARRIE'S TRAILS DEVELOPMENT CASE DDP 22 DASH 10 SO THIS IS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS SECTION FIVE, EXCUSE ME, SECTION SEVEN, PHASE FIVE.
UM, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE BEFORE.
UH, THIS IS THE AREA IN QUESTION.
IT IS JUST, UH, WEST OF BRANT PIKE, WHICH IS OFF THE SCREEN OVER HERE, BUT IT'S, UH, THIS ACREAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
SO IT'S 17 AND A THIRD ACRE ZONE PLAN MIXED USE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, WITHIN THIS SECTION THERE ARE, OR THIS PAGE, I SHOULD SAY THERE ARE 65 LOTS.
UH, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PAST PHASES OF CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND CONFORMS TO CHAPTER 1179 AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UM, YEARS AGO.
UM, ONE ITEM TO NOTE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN, UM, PAST, UH, SUBDIVISIONS OR FINAL PLATS.
UM, THIS IS THE CORPORATE BOUNDARY AT THE MOMENT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY BISECTS LOTS ONE THROUGH 36 THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ANNEXATION HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET.
UM, SO THE DEVELOPER IS NOT GOING TO PLAT THESE NORTHERN LOTS UNTIL THAT ANNEXATION IS, UH, IS COMPLETE.
THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD OUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEY WILL NOT RECORD THE FINAL PLAT FOR THESE, UH, THESE LOTS UNTIL THAT ANNEXATION IS COMPLETE.
UM, THIS SECTION IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS PHASES OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I TALKED ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY ISSUE.
UM, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT NOSE EARNING PERMIT BE ISSUED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS LOTS.
ONE THROUGH 36 ARE FULLY PLANTED WITHIN THE CITY.
THAT'S PRETTY IT PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR, I READ THE REPORT, THE STAFF REPORT BY IF IT'S WRITTEN, JUST LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE CROSSED THE ZONING PERMITS FOR THE OTHER LAWS THAT SAYS NO ZONING PERMIT IS ISSUED US FOR THOSE PARTICULAR LOTS.
IT'S JUST THERE ONE THROUGH 36.
THAT'S WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IT THOUGH.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WAY TO ANSWER THEM? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CONGRATULATIONS.
ARE YOU PREPARED TO GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY RUNDOWN QUICKLY? THIS IS THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? I DID NOT PULL SALES NUMBERS TODAY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE STAYING AHEAD OF THE BUILDERS.
I'LL GET IT FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING SO YOU CAN TELL HER EXACTLY WHERE, OKAY.
BUT WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, DR.
HORTON UP IN WINDBROOK BUILDING THREE LOTS.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT MAYBE 16, LOTS THAT THEY HAVEN'T BUILT ON.
AND THEIR PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE.
THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT THEY BUILD LIKE THE WHOLE STREET GETS BUILT OUT KIND OF SIMULTANEOUS LINK.
UH, RYAN JUST DOING THE SAME THING.
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BROWN PIECE, WHICH IS SECTION 17.THEY BUILT THROUGH THAT, UH, ON THOSE 50 FOOT, LOTS LIKE CRAZY.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MORE OF THOSE, OF COURSE, THE 60 FOOT, LOTS, OUR BREAD AND BUTTER EVERYBODY'S DWINDLING DOWN ON THEM.
UH, OUR ANNEXATION THAT ERIC MENTIONED, UH, IS IN FRONT OF MIAMI COUNTY AND I BELIEVE IT'S SCHEDULED TO GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE THE END OF THIS MONTH.
I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT EXACT DATE.
SO THEN THAT'LL TRIGGER A WHOLE PROCESS OF THE CITY'S ABILITY TO DO DUE DILIGENCE, DUE DILIGENCE ON IT AND EVALUATE IT AND EVERYTHING, BUT CLEARLY DEMAND IS THERE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT KEEPING THE MOMENTUM GOING SO THAT WE CAN KEEP PUSHING EVERYTHING ALONG.
AND I'LL GET YOU THE SALES NUMBERS.
SORRY ABOUT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY PUSHBACK ON THE ANNEXATION THING? OOH, YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO START THAT.
OKAY KNOW, AND IT'S JUST CHANGE.
AND, UH, EVERYBODY VIEWS CHANGE DIFFERENTLY.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GENERALLY FOR THINGS DON'T SPEAK AS LOUD AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GENERALLY NOT FOR THINGS.
SO WE'VE HEARD A LOT MORE FROM THE PEOPLE, BUT I KNOW THE MAYOR IS HERE TONIGHT AND HE'S, HE'S THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY ANNOUNCED THAT THIS CITY HAS TIME TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ON IT.
AND ONCE YOU SEE WHAT THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL DO, YOU'LL HAVE, I BELIEVE THE, UM, THIS, I BELIEVE THE STATUTE PROVIDES FOR JEFF.
TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S FOUR MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME GIVEN TO THE MUNICIPALITY WHERE IT'S BEING ANNEXED TO EVALUATE IT.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THAT, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT DON'T WANT THE ANNEXATION, BUT PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS WELL.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT TO CARRIAGE TRAILS CAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CARRIE'S TRAILS.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING SINCE WE STARTED IN 2008, OUR RESALES JUST GO UP CONSISTENTLY.
SO IF YOU BOUGHT A HOME IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF MILITARY TRANSFERS THAT COME IN AND OUT, UH, IT'S NEVER A BAD INVESTMENT FOR THEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN LIVE THERE FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
AND BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS SELLING MORE HOMES AND THE NEW HOMES ARE HIGHER PRICE THAN THE OLDER HOMES WERE.
SO IT'LL, IT LIFTS THE WHOLE MARKET, WHICH I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT IT LIFTS THE WHOLE HUBER HEIGHTS PARK.
IT LIFTS THE WHOLE CITY, NOT JUST IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THE CITY.
IT'S A GOOD, EASY GROWTH IT'S GROWTH WHERE YOU CAN COUNT ON IT AND YOU CAN DO STUFF WITH THAT GROWTH, THE REWARDS OF THAT GROWTH, OTHER PLACES FOR THE CITY.
WE UNDERSTAND WE'VE GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT.
UH, ANY, ANY ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PUBLIC PORTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT DEC LAND COMPANY, ONE LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION SEVEN, PHASE FIVE OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT CASE DDP 22 DASH 10 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MARCH 8TH, 2022, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVE BY MR. JEFFRIES, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL SPARGO YES.
MA'AM UH, MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO NEXT UNDER A DIGITAL BUSINESS IS A PROPOSED CHANGE TO AN EXISTING ORDERS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS IS A CHANGE TO ESSENTIALLY BE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UH, CHAPTER 1109, UM, ESSENTIALLY REQUIRING SIDEWALKS NOW ON, UM, ALL ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR ROADS SO THAT WE CAN BUILD OUT THE SIDEWALK NETWORK AS DEVELOPMENT, UH, COMMS. SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO BE BUILT ON ALL PUBLIC, UH, ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR ROADS.
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THE OTHER CHANGES, UM, ARE MINOR GEOMETRY CHANGES AS FAR AS THE PLANNING STRIPPED WITH AND THE PAVEMENT WITH, TO, TO MAKE IT WORK.ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU NEED A MOTION? UM, YES.
UM, LET ME SEE HOW I WANNA WORD THIS.
SO I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE A MOTION, UM, AMENDING PART 11 OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE.
AS SUBMITTED FARGO MAKES A MOTION TO AMEND, UH, SECTION OR I'M SORRY, A SECTION ONE CHAPTER 1109 SECTION 1109.15 IS HEREBY AMENDED AS FOLLOWS.
NO, JUST AS SUBMITTED FOR PLANNING, COMMISSION REVIEW AND APPROVAL SUBMITTED FOR PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW ON SECTION.
IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES PLANNING COMMISSION, JANUARY 25TH, 2022.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, FEBRUARY 15TH, 22.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS? WE WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THOSE TWO DATES REPORT AND CALENDAR REVIEW ROUTE.
UM, SO YOU WILL SEE ADDITIONAL, UM, ORDINANCE CHANGES COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, UM, FROM, UH, FROM ME.
UM, SO, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT'S COMING FORWARD, UM, THERE ARE, THERE'S A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WILL BE, UH, ON THE NEXT CALENDAR CALLED A HAMPTONS AT THE HEIGHTS.
IT IS 197 UNIT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ALONG WITH, UH, FIVE COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS.
UH, THEY WERE HERE AT THE LAST MEETING SHOWING THE CONCEPT PLANS, UM, BUT THEY ARE, UH, THEY HAVE APPLIED AND, UM, WE WILL REVIEW THEIR, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE SECOND IS, UH, ADDINGTON PLACE.
IT IS A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, IT IS, UH, 97 HOMES, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SECOND PHASE OF, UH, OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO 97 HOMES, UM, THAT IS, UH, OFF OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD.
SO, UM, THAT IS UNLESS I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING BESIDES THE, THE, UH, THE REVIEW OF THE, THE OIL OR THE RESTAURANT TRUCKSTOP FUEL STATION, THAT'LL BE BACK.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? UH, NO.
I'M JUST ANXIOUS TO GO HOME AND WATCH BASKETBALL.