Feb 22, 2022 Council Work Session

THANKS BRIAN.

ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

IS THERE ANY WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATES AT THIS POINT IN TIME? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL IS ALREADY AWARE OF.

SO WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE, UM, INTEGRITY STUDY WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, IN THE ENGINEERING PHASE AND ON SCHEDULE WITH REGARD TO THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.

THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG ITEMS. AND THEN THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO, TO, UH, THE VOUCHER SYSTEM AND THE, UM, THE WATER MAIN BREAK RESPONSE THAT'S ON HOLD UNTIL SARAH WILLIAMS IS BACK IN THE OFFICE AND CAN PICK THAT BACK UP.

THOSE ARE THE BIG ITEMS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON AND WITH THE INTEGRITY STUDY, BEING THE AGENDA TONIGHT, UH, THAT I GUESS WOULD BE OUR UPDATE.

ANYTHING ELSE, BRIAN, WHAT HE ADDRESSED IN THE UPDATE.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, B, WHICH IS Z ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO FIVE.

[ ZC 22-05 Huber Heights Library - 6243 Brandt Pike - Basic and Detailed Development Plans]

HE WRITES LIBRARY AT 62 43 BRAND PIKE.

THIS IS THE, FOR THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, UH, AARON CRL ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AS THE CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE IN THIS MATTER, WE'LL PRESENT, UH, THE, UH, THE CASE TO COUNSEL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN ADVANCE OF MONDAY'S MEETING.

THANK YOU RIGHT THERE.

AARON'S ROLE WITH JANE LANDING SITES, THE INTERIM CITY PLANNER.

SO THIS IS DC 2205.

IT'S THE COMBINED BASIC DEVELOPED A PLAN OR A NEW PROPOSAL LIBRARIES, UM, B THE LIBRARY, AS OPPOSED TO MEETS ALMOST ALL REQUIREMENTS OF.

OKAY, SO THE APPLICANT, UH, SO IT IS A 26,617 SQUARE FOOT, UH, LIBRARY.

THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES CURRENTLY ZONING PLAN MIXED USE.

IT'S VACANT, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THE ADJACENT LANDS, ALMOST ALL SURROUNDING.

IT ARE A PLAN MIXED USE.

THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST BRANCHES TO BE BUILT AS PART OF THE $187 MILLION BOND, UH, INITIATIVE THAT STARTED IN 2012.

SO THIS IS THE SITE, UH, AT THE CORNER OF, EXCUSE ME, UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY AND, UH, BRANT PIKE.

UH, THE STRUCTURE IS 34 FEET AT ITS HIGHEST.

UM, THERE IS A CURB CUT CURRENTLY ALONG BRANT PIPE THAT GETS ELIMINATED.

UH, THE MAIN INGRESS EGRESS WILL BE OFF OF, UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY.

UM, THERE IS A SLIGHT BUILDING ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FRONT SETBACK, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT.

UM, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

UH, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

UH, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UM, LANDSCAPING PROPOSED OUT LONG BRAND PIKE THAT IS, UH, TAKES PLACE OF SOME OF THE STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ZONING CODE, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO, UM, REAL, UH, VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING CODE.

SO THIS IS THE, THE SITE PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, INGRESS TO THE SITE FROM THE, FROM THE TOP OR THE, THE NORTH, UH, PARKING IS TO THE REAR.

THE ONLY CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN MADE FOR FROM THIS SITE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO A PLANNING COMMISSION AND APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUESTED, UH, THAT THIS TURNING RADIUS BE ENLARGED, UH, RIGHT HERE AT THE TOP, KIND OF THIS, THIS LITTLE ISLAND.

UH, SO THIS HAS BEEN CUT BACK, UH, IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN.

UH, THAT WAS THE ONLY MODIFICATION THAT REQUESTED, UM, THAT, THAT AFFECTS THE SITE.

UM, SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS, UH, UH, PRESENTED TO AND APPROVED BY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE ELEVATION, UM, LOOKING, EXCUSE ME, AS IF YOU WERE HEADED DOWN BRANDT PIKE TO THE SOUTH.

UH, THIS PART IS THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 25, A FOOT BUILDING, UH, SETBACK.

SO THE THERE'S A LONG, UH, BUILDING WALL RIGHT HERE.

UH, THIS IS BASICALLY AN OVERHANG AND A PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE THAT SLIGHTLY ENCROACHES THAT, UM, THAT BUILDING SETBACK.

IT ALSO DOES A GOOD JOB OF BREAKING UP THAT FACADE WALL.

THAT WALL IS NEARLY 270 FEET LONG.

SO IT DOES A GOOD JOB OF BREAKING THAT MASHING UP.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION FROM THE REAR PARKING.

THIS IS THE EAST ELEVATION, SORRY, I HAVE, I NEED NEW GLASSES SO THAT I HAVE A SECOND.

UH, UH, THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE, THE WEST ELEVATION FROM THE PARKING LOT.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.

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UH, AND THEN THE NORTHWEST ELEVATION AGAIN, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE REFLECTS REALLY THE BRANDING OF A DAYTON METRO LIBRARY, UH, THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE, UH, NEW, NEW BUILD SYSTEM.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE BUILDING SPECIFICS AND MATERIALS PROGRAMMING, ET CETERA.

UH, AND THEN THE TOP IS THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND THE BOTTOM, UH, IS THE, THE EAST ELEVATION.

THE NORTH CORNER.

THERE IS EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

UH, THE LANDSCAPING, ALL THE PARKING INTERIOR PARKING ISLANDS ARE ALL WELL, LANDSCAPED THERE'S PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, UH, AROUND THE SITE.

UH, THERE'S A, A WALKING PATH TO THE NORTH INSTEAD OF, UH, THE REQUIRED STREET TREES ALONG BRANT PIKE.

UM, THEY'RE REALLY ONLY MISSING TWO STREET TREES ACCORDING TO THE CODE.

UM, BUT THEY HAVE AN ELABORATELY LANDSCAPED FRONT ENTRANCE, WHICH, UH, IN MY VIEW AND PLANNING COMMISSION'S VIEW OFFSET THAT, THAT NE SO GETTING INTO THE ACTUAL DETAILS, THE OTHER BENEFIT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IT RE REDUCES THE IMPERVIOUS AMOUNT OF SURFACE AREA FROM 2.7 ACRES DOWN TO ABOUT 2.3 ACRES, UM, WHICH IS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 17% OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, UH, 56 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE SITE WILL BE DEVELOPED WHILE 43 AND A HALF IS REMAINING AS UNDEVELOPED GREEN SPACE.

THE CODE, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES 122 SPACES PARKING SPACES, THE APPLICANTS PROVIDING A HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE, A HUNDRED THIRTY, THREE OF THOSE ARE UNRESTRICTED.

SO NON ADA OR COMPACT CARS, ET CETERA.

UH, THE PARKING AT PARKING LOT AS IT'S DESIGNED, UH, DOES MEET THE CITY STANDARDS.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE, THE, THE ENCROACHMENT THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE AVAILABLE OFF-BRAND PIKE FOR THOSE WHO MAY WISH TO WALK OR WHO UTILIZE, UH, THE RTA SYSTEM.

THERE'S A STOP RIGHT THERE.

THERE WAS NOT ASSIGNED PACKAGE, UM, SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.

THE APPLICANT STATED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT THAT WILL COME LATER.

UH, AND SO THE, ONE OF THE COMMISSION, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WAS THAT THE SIGNED PACKAGE, UH, SUBMIT THAT IS SUBMITTED, UH, MEETS THE ZONING CODE.

SO W WE INTENDED THAT THAT WILL FULLY BE, UH, COMPLIANT.

I TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE ENCROACHMENT, IT'S ONLY 16% OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE APPROACHES INTO THAT, THAT SET BOOK SAT BACK AREA.

LIKE I SAID, IT BREAKS, IT BREAKS UP THAT 270 FOOT LONG WALL FACADE.

WE'RE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT MINOR ENCROACHMENT AND THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT, AS FAR AS THE FACADE MATERIALS, UH, 40% OF THE BUILDING IS STANDING SEAM METAL PANELS, 35%, EITHER CURTAIN WALL, OR GLASS STOREFRONT, 22% BRICK AND THREE, UM, UH, MASONARY PANELS 2% SORRY.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION WAS THAT, UH, IT'D BE APPROVED WITH, UM, SOME MINOR CONDITIONS.

ONE THAT THE SIGN PACKAGE, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 1189 OF THE ZONING CODE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH ALL STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS PER THE CITY ENGINEER, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES TO ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH THEY HAVE WITH THE SUBMITTED, UH, REVISION.

UH, AND THEN WE WOULD SEE A REVISED SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPING PLAN AFTER THOSE REVISIONS HAVE MADE, WHICH THEY HAVE SENT, THEY HAVE SENSE SUBMITTED TO US.

SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION WAS A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS FOR AARON OR FOR THE ARCHITECTS WE'LL GO TO, UM, YES.

COULD YOU, UH, ADDRESS THE VIEW THAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THIS, FROM BRANT THAT, THAT YOU SAID THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE TREE? NO.

SO THERE WILL, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE THE VIEW FROM A BETTER PICTURE HERE.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

LET ME GO BACK.

THIS IS THE VIEW FROM BRANT.

UH, IT IS THIS, THERE IS A, UH, A WALK-UP AREA THAT IS WELL LANDSCAPED HERE IN THE FRONT.

THERE ARE STREET TREES THAT ARE ALONG BRANT THAT ARE AT THE CORNERS THAT THAT WILL BE PROVIDED.

I THINK THE, THEY, THEY NEEDED LIKE EIGHT, THEY'RE PROVIDING SIX, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

UM, BUT THE, INSTEAD OF HAVING STREET TREES DIRECTLY IN FRONT

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OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S AN ELABORATELY PLANTED LANDSCAPE BED INSTEAD, BUT THERE ARE TREES AT THE CORNERS OF THE SITE.

I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT LANDSCAPING SO THAT IT LOOKS WELCOMING.

ISN'T JUST, YEAH, NO, NO, NO.

IT IS IT AS WELL, UH, LANDSCAPE.

AND THEN THE, THE REST OF THE PERIMETER ALONG, UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY HAS STREET TREES.

THOSE WILL ALL REMAIN THE PARKING LOT IS WELL-TREATED ET RIGHT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN OVERHANG FROM THE FRONT.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW FAR FROM THE FRONT DOOR TO THE STREETS THAT SOMEONE, IF THEY WENT TO GET THEIR RTA, HOW FAR THAT WOULD BE? UM, I, FROM THE SIDEWALK, IT'S ABOUT, UM, I'M GOING OFF, UH, GOING OFF MEMORY HERE ABOUT 15 FEET.

UM, EXCITED ABOUT THE, UH, WE HAVE A ROUGH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

DO WE HAVE A ROUGH BUILD-OUT ESTIMATE? I'M GOING TO ASK THE, UH, THE DESIGN TEAM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

OKAY, JOHN, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

HOW ARE YOU DOING GOOD.

AND YOU WANT TO REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR ME? DO WE HAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF TIME FOR THE BUILD-OUT TIME FOR THE BUILDUP, THE PROJECT, THE CONTRACTOR IT'S BEEN BID AND VERY FEW WILL COME TO THE, THERE IS A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD.

WE WERE WAITING FOR THIS MEETING BEFORE WE RELEASE ANYTHING, BUT HE IS ON BOARD READY TO START CONDUCTING.

MY NAME IS GARY MITCHELL.

I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM DAYTON METRO LIBRARY, CONSTRUCTION CONSULTANT.

WE HAVE A TIMELINE OF ABOUT 13 APPROXIMATE MONTH FOR COMPLETION.

THAT DEPENDS ON AVAILABILITY MATERIALS, WHICH WE'VE HAD NO WE KNOW WITH COVID AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A PROBLEM.

SO BARRING THAT WITHIN 13 MONTHS.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU, MARK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, FOR AARON? UM, SO IT'S ABOUT 10 FEET AS IT'S ABOUT HALF A PINKY.

SO I SCALED THAT OFF.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN OR BEAR NEW YORK TEXTS OR AARON? YES.

NO.

OH YEAH.

I DID ATTEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND, UH, UM, LISTENING TO THIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING, UM, AND AM THANKFUL TO THE APPLICANT FOR PROVIDING MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR PARKING THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE HOTTEST JOINT IN TOWN.

I DROVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING POTENTIAL FOR, UH, EVIE CHARGING AT THIS LOCATION.

I'VE BEEN AROUND TO SEVERAL OF THE OTHER LIBRARIES.

AND I WONDERED IF, UM, THERE WAS AT LEAST THE POTENTIAL FOR A ROUGHING END FOR FUTURE EVIE CHARGING.

UH, AGAIN, JERRY MITCHELL, UM, I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT OUR DIRECTOR HAS GIVEN US THE APPROVAL AND WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE, UH, THE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING SUBSTRUCTURE.

UH, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW WE CAN DEDUCT ON, UH, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROACHING THAT WAY.

RETROFITTING SOME OF THE EXISTING ONES IS A LOT LONGER, BUT IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THERE WILL BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR A COMPANY THAT TRIED TO TAKE IT OVER.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF THE ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS, BUT THAT'S MORE TO COME.

SO OUR DIRECTOR HAS GIVEN US THOSE GO AHEAD, ROUGHING IT DOWN AS MOST RESTRUCTURE CONDUIT WILL BE IN THERE.

EXCELLENT.

MA'AM ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

AND QUESTIONS IN GENERAL OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE LIBRARY ON TWO MONDAYS.

THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SEE IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO WAVE THE SECOND READING OR NOT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S OKAY.

SO MR. ROGERS RUBS, SO IS THERE, UM, FROM A TIMELINE FOR YOU GUYS, UH, IS THERE A REQUEST, UM, TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING ON THIS OR IS, IS THIS STANDARD, UH, READING SECOND READING PROCESS? OKAY.

OR IS THERE A NEED REASON THAT YOU GUYS ARE READY TO GET STARTED ON THIS FASTER, WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO WAIVE OUR SECOND READING? IS THERE A REQUEST OR AN ASK FOR THAT? LET ME SEE IF I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION CORRECTLY.

UH, THE SOONER THAT WE CAN GET APPROVAL TO TELL OUR CONTRACTOR, GO AHEAD.

THE BETTER OFF WE ARE, WE'RE PREPARED TO WAIT THE ADDITIONAL WEEK.

IF WE HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY A CONTRACTOR IS AWARE THAT HE'S THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE AND RESPONSIVE BIDDER.

UM, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GIVING HIM NOTICE TO PROCEED.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL AND WITHOUT PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN DO THAT AHEAD OF TIME, WE'D BE GLAD TO DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, LIKE THE NEXT TWO DAYS.

BUT IF NOT, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK UNTIL THEN.

OF PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTING.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY'S MEETING.

AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IT WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM.

AND THEN, UM, SO WITH, I GUESS WITH AARON AND STAFF, I MEAN, IS THAT THE ISSUE, I MEAN, IS THE REQUEST IN THE WAY, THE SECOND READING AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AT MONDAY'S MEETING, CORRECT.

THAT WOULD BE SO THAT THIS MEASURE CAN TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY AND THEY CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS

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ALL RIGHT.

DOES THAT ANSWER? I THINK YOU KICKED, SO YOU YOU'LL KNOW HOW TO PREPARE THE JACKET.

[ Space Needs Assessment - LWC]

NEXT IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, PURSUANT TO COUNSEL'S REQUEST, WE'VE ASKED FOR LWCC TO PRESENT TO US A PROPOSAL TO PERFORM THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

WE THOUGHT THEY WERE THE MOST QUALIFIED FIRM TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UH, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH US IN A VARIETY OF CAPACITIES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN PARTICULAR AT THE MEADOW SITE, SINCE ONE OF THE KEY FEATURES OF THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO, UM, HELP US DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE SIZE AND SCOPE OF A FUTURE SENIOR CENTER, BASED ON THAT THEIR PROPOSAL WAS INCLUDED IN THE WORK SESSION PACKET FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU ADOPT LEGISLATION ON MONDAY NIGHT, AUTHORIZING US TO ENTER INTO THAT, UH, PROPOSAL WITH LDBC SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT.

THANKS FRANK.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.

[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]

BRIGHT.

UM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, IF, UH, IF YOU, EXCUSE ME, I'D LIKE TO JUST STEP TO THE PODIUM HERE FOR A MINUTE, FOR SURE.

ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

UH, THE REASON THAT, UH, I WANTED TO COME TO THE PODIUM IS WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT REGARDING, UH, THE FUTURE OF CR DAYTON.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IS FOLLOWING OUR ACQUISITION OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO MAKE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS AND CLEAN THAT SPACE UP SO THAT IT WAS MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THE AREA CAN AND SHOULD BE, UH, IN THE FUTURE TO THAT END.

I WANTED TO PROVIDE TO YOU, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, EXCUSE ME, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE ME, UH, WE'VE TAGGED THE PROJECT, THE MEADOWS IN LIGHT OF COMMENTS WE RECEIVED AT THE OPEN HOUSE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS.

SO PLEASE, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE'VE HEARD.

UH, BUT, UH, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL VIEW.

UH, IF YOU WERE APPROACHING THE PROJECT FROM THE SOUTH HEADED TO THE NORTH, UH, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL VIEW OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE BASED ON THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM LWCC FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UM, LOOKING FROM THE TOP, UH, THIS REPRESENTS BOTH BUILDINGS, UH, COLLECTIVELY HERE IN THIS SPACE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE MAKING, UH, SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

UH, WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT, UH, THIS EATING SPACE WITH A PERGOLA HERE ON THE SOUTH END.

WE'LL BE CLOSING OFF THIS PARTICULAR ALLEYWAY TO CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR STORAGE, AS WELL AS THE MEETING SPACE, UH, AND CONGREGATE SPACE HERE.

AND THEN THIS END UNIT HERE WE'LL, UH, KIND OF PUSH OUT THIS SPACE FOR FUTURE USE OF CONGREGATION BY, UH, HOPEFULLY WHAT WILL BE ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS OR, UH, UH, OR, UM, EATERY SPACES.

UH, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN LANDSCAPING IN AND AROUND THE SITE.

UH, AS WELL AS, UH, CLEANING UP THIS KIND OF, UH, HORRIBLE BACK ALLEYWAY HERE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THIS LOOKS APPROPRIATE FROM ALL SIDES SINCE WE'RE DEVELOPING, UH, BACK HERE, UH, TO WHAT IS WEST OF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, UH, MOVING THROUGH THE CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, YOU CAN SEE, THESE ARE JUST SOME ADDITIONAL NOTES THAT, UH, UH, LWCC HAS PROVIDED WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE DOING ON SITE.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'LL BE DOING, UH, SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADE WORK IN AND AROUND THE BUILDING, UH, AND MAKING SOME CHANGES, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ACCESSIBILITY, BOTH FOR, UH, PEDESTRIAN PURPOSES, BUT ALSO JUST TO TRANSITION ACROSS THE SITE, UH, AS, UH, AS YOU WOULD WITH A VEHICLE OR, UH, OR JUST IN A PEDESTRIAN FORM C UH, MOVING THROUGH HERE.

UH, SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT BOTH BUILDINGS, UH, FROM THE EAST FACING WEST, UH, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.

SO THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE IS CURRENTLY THE FUNKY MONKEY, UH, VACANT, FUNKY MONKEY SPACE.

UH, THIS IS SUBWAY DOWN HERE, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE A POSH SALON RIGHT HERE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UH, THE, UM, THIS FEATURE HERE IS ORIENTED, UH, TO VISUALIZE AS YOU'RE ENTERING THE SITE.

AND THEN AS WE SCROLL DOWN AND WE LOOK AT THE OTHER ELEVATION, SO NOW THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTH WALL, UH, THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE AT THIS LOCATION AS IF WE WERE FACING WORD.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE ALSO IDENTIFYING THE SITE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

UH, LET'S SEE, SCROLLING DOWN.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND A CLOSER VIEW OF WHAT IT IS.

UM, YOU CAN'T ANTICIPATE SEEING AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, UM, THE ELEMENTS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE YOU'LL NOTE THAT SEVERAL OF THEM ARE ALSO REOCCURRING OR RELATE TO ELEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE LIBRARY SITE TO THE

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NORTH.

AND THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY TO ENSURE THAT THIS HAD PLACED IDENTIFICATION, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, WITH ALL FEES, UH, AND COSTS ASSOCIATED AS ESTIMATED TO, UH, IS ESTIMATED AT 2.4, $3 MILLION, UH, AND, UH, HAS AN APPROXIMATE, UH, 14 MONTH, 13 MONTH, UH, TIMELINE.

SO FROM THE TIME THAT COUNCIL, UH, WOULD GIVE THE, GO AHEAD ON THIS TO THE TIME THAT WE WOULD SEE THE REALITY OF THESE PICTURES TODAY, UH, IT'S ABOUT 13 MONTHS, UH, ROUGH CALCULATIONS ON A NAPKIN, UH, DEMONSTRATE THAT, UH, THE RENT, UH, REVENUES THAT WE GENERATE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AS THE, UH, THE BOND PAYMENTS OR THE ANNUAL BOND PAYMENTS.

ON 2.4, $3 MILLION ISSUED AT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.

UH, THAT'S UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE THE MARKET TO BE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

UH, WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AT COUNSEL'S REQUEST.

UH, WE WOULD PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT, UH, SIMILAR, UH, FUNDING WISE, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD DONE PREVIOUSLY, UH, WHERE WE WOULD IN THE SHORT-TERM, UH, MAKE A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO THE BUDGET, MOVE CASH OUT OF FUND BALANCE.

AND THEN AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE YEAR AND GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, ONCE WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN ANY OTHER WORK THAT COUNCIL MIGHT WANT DONE, UH, THAT WE HAVE NOT ACCOUNTED FOR ALREADY IN THE BUDGET, THEN WE WOULD ISSUE BONDS AND REPLENISH, UH, THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAD WITHDRAWN FROM THE FUND BALANCE.

UH, THAT IS, UH, OUR UPDATE FOR COUNCIL ON THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION.

AT THIS TIME, I HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS IS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

AND OF COURSE THE, UH, LWCC TEAM, SORRY, AT RENDERINGS, OR HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO DRAWINGS? ARE WE THERE AND READY TO GO? BASED ON THE SCHEDULE, WE ARE READY TO GO, AS SOON AS COUNCIL WERE TO, TO PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION OF THE FUNDING.

UM, I LOVE THE LOOK.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

I LIKE THE OUTDOOR FEATURE WITH THE PERGOLA, BUT I HAVE ONE MINOR CONCERN.

I REALLY LIKE IT, BUT I HAVE ONE MINOR CONCERN THAT TURN RIGHT THERE IS REALLY TRICKY AS IT IS.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S BUTTON OUT INTO IT.

IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW REDESIGN THAT SIDE SPACE BECAUSE IT'S, I KNOW I'VE PERSONALLY ALMOST BEEN AN ACCIDENT SEVERAL TIMES COMING AROUND THAT CORNER AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMING IN, BECAUSE IT'S VERY NARROW YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

AND THAT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY JUST NARROW IT THAT MUCH MORE.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO, AGAIN, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT OUT THERE.

THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL CONSTRAINTS HERE.

I THINK ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR FEATURE IS THAT THIS WALL KIND OF PROVIDES THAT BUFFER SPACE, IF YOU WILL, OR SOME, UH, MOBILE CALL IT SOME SAFETY SPACING, UH, RELATIVE TO THE VEHICLE, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, I'M TALKING ABOUT CARS PASSING EACH OTHER.

OFTENTIMES ONE COMPANY IS GOING OUT, IT'S A TOUGH MANEUVER AND START TO TURN THAT CORNER.

IF YOU, EVEN THE WAY IT IS NOW, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE ANOTHER CAR COMING THE OTHER DIRECTION.

SO IT'S KINDA LIKE ONE OF THOSE TUNNELS YOU GO THROUGH THAT, YOU GOT HOME FIRST BECAUSE, AND EVERY OTHER PERSON KIND OF LIKE THE LITTLE YORK THERE AT, UH, UH, UM, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE CAN MOVE TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND THAT SIDE.

UH, AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DEFINITIVE ONE WAY A TRAFFIC MOVEMENT, IT WAS A GOOD CATCH BECAUSE IT IS.

AND I LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS TOO.

BUT AT THIS TIME WE'LL KIND OF EASY.

ONE QUESTION, HOW MUCH BRICK FACADE ARE WE PUTTING ON? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART.

MAYBE.

UM, I DON'T HAVE THE PARTICULAR CALCULATION.

I DON'T KNOW, JOHN OR BEAR WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN ESTIMATE THAT YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE AVAILABLE, BUT YEAH, I LIKE IT.

IT LOOKS GREAT.

I JUST DIDN'T GET THAT NUMBER.

MOST OF THIS FACADE IS SIMILAR IN MATERIAL TO THE WAY IT WAS IN THAT IT'S PREDOMINANTLY GLASS.

WE REALLY AREN'T CHANGING AND ADDING A LOT OF MORE BRICK THAT THE ORIGINAL FACADE HAD THE OVERHANG THAT WAS METAL.

SO WE'RE TAKING THE METAL OVERHANG OFF AND PUTTING MORE OF A TRADITIONAL CANVAS AWNING SYSTEM.

AND THEN IT'S MOSTLY GLASS THE AREAS.

IF YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS, CAN I JUST, I'M DOING SOMETHING.

THERE WE GO.

SO WE'VE ADDED AT THESE, AT THE FEATURE AREAS.

WE'VE ADDED SOME STONE IN THIS AREA THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE WE'VE ADDED SOME WOOD AND THEN SOME METAL, LIKE THE LIBRARY UP HIGH, THIS MATERIAL IS ALL STILL THE SAME AS WHAT THE BASE MATERIAL WAS, WHICH IS A CEMENT STUCCO FINISH LOOK.

UH, SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED THE MATERIAL AS MUCH AS HOW WE USE IT.

BOTH OF THESE ENTRY FEATURES NOW HAVE A MASONRY BRICK STONE WITH THE WOOD, AND THEN THE METAL WITH THE LED LIGHTING TO CREATE THOSE KIND OF TOWER FEATURES.

AND I THINK THE WOOD AT THE TRELLIS IS ANOTHER, BUT

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OH, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BASIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT EACH OF THESE COLUMNS, THE BASE AS IT COMES TO THE GROUND IS A STONE MASONRY PRODUCT.

SO YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE MORE PRESENCE OF MASONRY, UH, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE CLOUDING THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND MASONRY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, LWCC, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, THIS JOB WELL DONE.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FROM BRIAN, UM, THAT ENTRANCE OFF OF FITCHBURG COMING IN AS A FUNKY ENTRANCE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, THAT WE CAN WIDEN, UH, THAT ROAD COMING IN OR MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT ENTRANCE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT BETTER? UH, OUR, OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS POINT INTO THE BIGGER SUBDIVISION, WHICH ARE TO THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHICH IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT CUTS PAST BETWEEN, UH, THE POST OFFICE.

AND WHAT IS THE BOOSTERS? I THINK YOU'LL NOTE HERE.

THIS IS THE POST OFFICE.

UH, WE'VE GOT THIS ENTRY POINT HERE THAT KIND OF MAKES THAT A LITTLE TIGHT.

UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TRY AND PARTNER WITH THE, UM, TO TRY AND PARTNER WITH THE POST OFFICE TO TRY AND IMPROVE THAT.

BUT QUITE FRANKLY, BASED ON PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES WITH THE POST OFFICE, I WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING TO CONSTRUCT THIS FIRST BEFORE, UH, BEFORE WE WOULD EVER SEE ANY REAL PROGRESS IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS DRIVE BY.

CAUSE IF WE'RE WAITING ON A PARTNERSHIP FROM THE POST OFFICE, WE WON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY HERE FOR A FEW WEEKS.

YES, I KNOW.

SURE.

I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTIONS.

YES, DON.

THANKS BRIAN.

I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS YET.

UM, WHEN WE DISCUSS FACADE, IS THIS TRULY JUST A, A, UH, ORNAMENTAL FACADE OR ARE WE GOING TO BE GOING IN AND, UH, RENOVATING THE FRONTS OF THESE STOREFRONTS WITH GLASS DOORS, ET CETERA, TO CORRECT.

UH, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THESE ARE ANYTHING MORE THAN MOSTLY STRUCTURAL.

SO A LOT OF WHAT'S THERE WE'LL CONTINUE TO STAY AT LEAST AT THAT LEVEL, UNLESS JOHN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS INCORRECT.

THE SIDE, IT WAS EARLY ON, IT WAS ALTERNATIVE.

WE WERE ASKED TO DO THAT, GIVES ALL THE GLASS NEW DOORS, NEW GLASS, BECAUSE PART OF THE CHALLENGES AS WE FIXED, IT THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES THERE THAT IT WAS GONNA FEEL LIKE A PATCH.

SO RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING ALONG THE FRONT WILL WE GET TO STOP THOUGH? HIS LAST NOODLES? I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH THAT SANDWICH I STAND CORRECTED.

UM, AND THEN A COMMENT, IF I COULD, I JUST LIKE TO SAY TO THE FOLKS FROM LWCC AND YOU'VE KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK WITH THIS ONE, ALONG WITH THE LIBRARY, I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR WHAT'S THIS GOING TO BRING TO THE CENTER OF TOWN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS? AND THIS HAS APPROVAL FOR EVERYTHING READY TO GO GET STARTED.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE, THE CONSTRUCTION PACKAGE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY LEGISLATION PRESENTED IN THE COUNCIL PACKET TO ADVANCE THIS ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, WITH THE PLAN TO ADVANCE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

SO WE COULD BRING FORWARD LEGISLATION AT THE NEXT REGULAR, UH, AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WOULD ONLY PUT US BACK TWO WEEKS BASED ON THE SCHEDULE THAT, UH, THAT LWCC HAD PREPARED.

SO LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY OR, OR, OR ACTUALLY ANOTHER WORK SESSION BACK, WE WOULD BRING THE LEGISLATION TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION FOR ACTION AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.

LWT APPRECIATE GREENBERG.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'LL JUST, UM, NO ACTION NEEDED AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS BACK ON THE, ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

[ Mowing/Maintenance - Specified City Properties - Award Contract]

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS A MILLION MAINTENANCE, UH, FOR SPECIFIED CITY PROPERTIES, AWARDING THE CONTRACT, MIKE, UM, BASICALLY, UM, THE BUSINESS RECEIVED, UM, SPECIFIED, UM, WHAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT.

MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE YOU'RE TALKING INTO THE MICROPHONE.

THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT.

UM, ONE BITTER ASPECT OF THE, OR IF HE WAS ASKING PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MORNING AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACTOR.

GREENTECH ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? I CAN CLARIFY.

I'M NOT SURE.

I CAUGHT EXACTLY.

YOU GOT MULTIPLE BIDS, BUT THEY DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA.

ONLY ONE MET CRITERIA.

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ONLY ONE MET THE CRITERIA OF BEING SPECIFIED, BASICALLY FIT.

I BROKE, DID DOWN, BACK INTO THE DRINK CATEGORIES.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE EAST WATER MAIN AND SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT AND THE ACQUISITION OF RIGHT.

AND SO IT DIDN'T SPECIFY AND IT WAS QUITE SIGNIFICANT RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL TELL US SUFFICIENT BEDS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY INJECTION SNOWY THIS ONTO MONDAY

[ East Water Main and Sanitary Sewer Extension Projects - Acquisition of Right Of Way]

OF, UH, YES.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

UM, WHAT THIS IS, IS LEGISLATION FOR THE EAST WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT IN THE EAST SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT.

UH, BOTH OF THEM ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, UH, FROM BELL FOUNTAIN GOING EAST DOWN TO ROUTE FOUR, UM, WHAT THIS, UH, WE'LL DO THIS RESOLUTION WILL HELP TO START THE ACQUISITION PROCESS FOR EASEMENTS NEEDED.

UH, DOWN IN THAT AREA.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO CONSULTANTS DESIGNING THESE PROJECTS AND, UH, UH, THE COST FOR OBTAINING THE EASEMENTS.

THIS IS FOR THE COST TO OBTAIN THE EASEMENTS FOR BOTH PROJECTS.

UH, ONE IS FOR THE WATER MAIN EXTENSION AND SIX OF THEM IS FOR THE SANITARY EXTENSION.

UM, THE PROCESS WE'LL START BY GETTING APPRAISALS FOR EACH EASEMENT AND THEN NEGOTIATING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR ACQUISITION.

UH, WE HAVE $150,000 ESTIMATED COST ON THIS, UH, HOPING THAT THIS IS A HIGH NUMBER, UM, FUNDING FOR THIS AS PART OF THE FEDERAL GRANT FROM THE AMERICAN, UM, RESCUE PLAN ACT.

AND, UH, WE PLAN TO START THE ACQUISITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF A $6 MILLION NUMBER, I THINK FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT, SO IT JUST ASKS US, SO THIS IS KIND OF STUFF THAT WE WERE INCORPORATING OR ANTICIPATING BEING PART OF THAT BIGGER NUMBER.

THIS ISN'T THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDING ON TO THE OVERALL NUMBER, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THESE EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS WERE INCLUDED AS PART OF OUR ESTIMATES.

GOTCHA.

THE NEXT IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE WATER DISTRIBUTION INTEGRITY STUDY AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

THANKS.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

[ Water Distribution Integrity Study - Award Contract]

OH YES.

THIS LEGISLATION IS TO AWARD A CONTRACT, TO PURCHASE A NIPPLE, UH, TO PERFORM A W THE WATER INTEGRITY STUDY.

UH, WE WENT OUT FOR PROPOSALS TO LARGER ENGINEERING CONSULTING FIRMS TO FIND A COMPANY QUALIFIED TO DO THIS TYPE OF STUDY.

UH, ONLY TWO COMPANIES SUBMITTED PROPOSALS AND THEY WERE BURGESS THE NIPPLE AND STRAND AND ASSOCIATES.

UH, THE PITCH RESULTS, UH, ARE IN YOUR PACKET.

PURCHASING NYPA WAS LOW AT 64,600.

AND STRAND WAS AT $78,000.

UM, WE COMPARED BOTH PROPOSALS AND THEY BOTH WERE WELL-QUALIFIED TO THESE STUDY, BUT WE FELT THAT BURGESS NIPPLE GAVE MORE DETAIL WHEN ADDRESSING EACH ITEM REQUIRED BY THE STUDY.

UM, THE PROPOSAL IS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, I CAN GO OVER A FEW QUICKLY, GO OVER A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE REQUIRED IN THE STUDY.

UM, THERE'S ABOUT 10 OR 15 OMERE, UH, WE LIKE TO, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWED THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM AND WATER MAIN BREAK DATA.

THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW GAPS IN THEIR WATER SYSTEM.

THEY'LL UPDATE THE CITY'S WATER DISTRIBUTION MODEL, ANALYZE SOIL CORROSION USING SOIL MAPS AND POSSIBLE BORINGS ANALYZE CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM, INCLUDING, UH, PRESSURE CHANGES IN WATER, SOFTENING CHANGES, UH, ANALYZE CHANGES IN TRENCH CONSTRUCTION.

THEY WILL PROVIDE FAILURE FORECASTING FOR FUTURE WATER, MAIN BREAKS.

THEY WILL ESTIMATE COST OF FUTURE FAILURES PROVIDE FUTURE RISK OF WATER, MAIN REPLACEMENT, IF NOT IMPLEMENTED, UH, DETAILED THE ABILITY OF THE WATER SYSTEM TO HANDLE FUTURE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROVIDE FUTURE PROJECT PRIORITIZATION, UH, PROVIDE A REPLACEMENT PLAN ANALYSIS AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OPERATIONAL CHANGES TO THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S SOME OF IT YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE THING IF YOU LIKE, AND IT'S.

YEAH, SO IT'S PRETTY THOROUGH PLAN.

SO DOES THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? GUESTS, NANCY, HEY, ROSS, AND THE, UM, AND THE PROPOSAL.

IT SAYS THAT, UH, FOR TASK NINE, WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE MODEL KELLOGG CALIBRATED BY MID TO LATE JUNE UNDER A SEPARATE PROJECT.

IS THAT ALREADY ON CONTRACT? YES.

SUE, AS, UH, AS PART OF THEIR CONTRACT, WE UPGRADE, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, THEY WERE GOING TO UPGRADE THE WATER MODEL WITHIN THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM.

SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THEIR, UM, UH, STUDY HERE NOW.

SO YOU SAID THEY'RE GOING TO MODEL FUTURE PROJECTS, WHICH IS NINE B IN THEIR PROPOSAL.

THE WHOLE THING, THEY'LL, THEY'LL LOOK AT, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND TAKE AND LOOK AT THOSE TO SEE HOW THEY WILL FUNCTION WITH THE MODEL.

SO, UM, THEY DID HAVE AN EXTRA, I BELIEVE ON NINE, MAYBE IT WAS NIGHT B I THINK THAT SAID THAT ONCE THEY ANALYZE

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SO, UH, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TWO AND IF THEY NEED MORE THAN THEY MAY ASK FOR SOME MORE MONEY AT THAT POINT, BUT THERE WAS A ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THAT IF NEEDED.

THAT'S WHY PART OF THE, UH, UM, NOTICE OR THE A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT WITH HIGHER.

SO, SO THOSE TWO ARE ALREADY COVERED AT ANOTHER CONTRACT.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

I, WHEN I READ THIS, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GET ANOTHER BID FOR BECAUSE OF THAT, THE TWO QUOTES WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN VERY CLOSE TOGETHER IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.

AND IT JUST LOOKED OUT FOR THEM THAT THEY WERE ALREADY DOING THAT FOR SUEZ.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

WE CONTACTED THESE IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND WE, WE CONTACTED SIX CONSULTING FIRMS THAT ARE BIGGER FIRMS THAT CAN DO THIS KIND OF WORK.

AND TWO OF THEM SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL.

HAVE WE EVER USED THEM FOR ANYTHING BEFORE? YEAH, I DO USE PURCHASE A NIPPLE OFTEN.

UM, THEY DID OUR PRESSURE PROJECT AND THEY'VE DONE NUMEROUS STUDIES FOR EPA FOR US.

AND THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY, I HAVE ONE PLACE.

WHAT WAS THE FINAL COST THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH? YOU SAID BURGESS WAS WHAT, UH, 64,600 WAS THEIR QUOTE.

THEY HAD POSSIBLE UP TO ABOUT 10,000 MORE IF NEEDED, BUT THE, AND I HAD A LITTLE BIT IN THERE BECAUSE IT DID NOT INCLUDE SOIL BORINGS AND THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH USUALLY FIND ME 5,000.

SO THAT'S WHY I WENT TO 85,000.

UP IS I'M THREE H, WHICH IS THE WATER AND SEWER RATE ADJUSTMENTS.

[ Water and Sewer Rate Adjustments]

AND THIS IS, UM, JIM BELL AND BRIAN TO ATTACK TOGETHER, I GUESS.

UH, THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TIES BACK TO OUR CONVERSATIONS BACK IN DECEMBER, AS WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THE BUDGET AND TRYING TO BRING MORE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THE WATER ISSUE.

AND WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WAS ADJUSTING THE WATER AND SEWER RATES, INCREASING THE WATER RATES, AND THEN PROVIDING A CORRESPONDING DECREASE IN THE SEWER RATES BECAUSE OUR ANALYSIS OF THE SEWER FUND INDICATED THAT THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE WAS GENERATING SURPLUSES WITHIN THE SEWER FUND.

AND RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO GENERATE THOSE SURPLUSES IN THE SEWER FUND WHERE THE REVENUE, WHERE THE MONIES ARE NOT NEEDED, THAT WE WOULD MOVE THAT OVER TO THE WATER FUND AND BEGIN TO UTILIZE THAT REVENUE IN FUTURE PROJECTS, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, LEGISLATION WHICH WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IN APRIL WOULD BE THAT TRIGGER.

AND SO WE WOULD BEGIN COLLECTING, UH, THESE ADDITIONAL REVENUES INTO THE WATER FUND STARTING, UH, IN WHAT WOULD BE MAY.

AND THEN WE WOULD CONTINUE TO COLLECT THOSE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR US BEGINNING IN THE 2023 BUDGET, WITHOUT US IMPLEMENTING THIS A LITTLE LATER IN THE YEAR IN 2023, WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS THAN THE 300,000, BUT THEN, UH, THAT NUMBER WOULD COME BACK TO WHERE WE PROJECT STARTING IN 2024 WHEN WE HAVE THE FULL YEAR OF COLLECTION.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

GLENN.

SO JUST FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND AT HOME, THIS IS A NET NEUTRAL ADJUSTMENT AND DESIGN PURELY TO INCREASE THE WATER FUND SO WE CAN SOLVE THOSE WATER ISSUES.

CAUSE WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY AND THE SEWER FUND, CORRECT.

WE HAD A SUEZ RUN SCENARIOS INVOLVING, UH, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AT THE HIGH, MID AND LOW USAGE LEVELS.

AND THIS CHANGE RESULTED IN PENNY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT THEY WERE PAYING UNDER THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE.

WE THEN ASKED SUEZ TO RUN THE SAME MODEL FOR OUR BUSINESSES AND THE CHANGE THERE WAS DOLLARS, LITERALLY TWO OR $3 WAS THE DIFFERENCE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS.

UH, THERE MAY BE SOME SCENARIOS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN THAT, BUT BASED ON THE MODELS WE WERE ABLE TO RUN, WE DID NOT FORECAST OR IDENTIFY ANY PARTICULAR SCENARIOS WITH, WITH EASE.

SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.

ORDINANCE TWO READINGS.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS, UM, MASSAGE THERAPY ESTABLISHMENTS.

JORDAN.

SO TWO READINGS WOULD BE JUST FINE.

[ Massage Therapy Establishments]

SO, UH, OFFICER HEINZ LANEY IS HERE DETECTIVE.

SO IF YOU WOULD, UH, APPROACH, I GUESS, AND YOU'VE GOT INFORMATION FOR US.

HI, HOW'S EVERYONE.

WE RECENTLY HAD

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SOME APPLICATIONS FOR SOME MASSAGE THERAPY, UM, ESTABLISHMENT THAT INVOLVE A MASSAGE THERAPY.

UH, IT'S CALLED, UH, YOUR VEDIC MASSAGE.

UH, YOUR VETA IS A MASSAGE OR AS PART OF A MEDICAL PRACTICE.

THAT'S, THAT'S COMMON IN INDIA AND SRI LANKA, BUT IT'S NOW BECOMING MORE POPULAR IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT'S A, IT'S UNDER SOMETHING CALLED CAM MEDICINE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A COMPLIMENTARY AND ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.

THERE'S NO LICENSE ISSUED FOR THIS THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO.

UM, IT'S NOT COVERED UNDER THE, UM, THE, UH, STATE BOARD FROM MASSAGE THERAPY, HOWEVER IT'S BECOMING MORE POPULAR.

UM, SO WE REACHED OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER, UM, WHO HAS, UM, REACHED OUT TO THE ATTORNEY AND THEY'VE DONE IT AN AMENDMENT TO THE, TO THE, UH, ORDINANCE JERRY'S COMMENTS.

UM, YOU MIGHT'VE RECALLED THAT, UH, THE PURPOSE WE HAVE THE MASSAGE ORDINANCE, THE FIRST PLACE WAS TO, UH, STOP THE PROLIFERATION OF PROSTITUTION, WHICH WAS GETTING MORE AND MORE WITH THE MASSAGE POLISH.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, TYPE OF MASSAGES AS DETECTIVE SENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS LICENSED.

SO TECHNICALLY YOU COULDN'T DO IT HERE, BUT THEY DO HAVE CERTIFICATIONS.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF TRAINING TO GET THAT.

AND THE KEY HERE IS THAT THEY WILL NOT ONLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION, BUT IF THEY'RE ALLOWED, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY AS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.

AND SO IT HAS THAT DETERRENT THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR, AND THIS KEEPS SOME LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO GO ON AND MAKE A LIVING.

UM, AND SO WE THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD DEALS.

WE RAN IT BY, UM, THE CHIEF, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT, CITY MANAGER, MYSELF.

WE ALL LOOKED AT THAT AND THINK THAT THIS IS A, A GOOD SOLUTION.

EASY.

UM, YES, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND THERE'S, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO BASED ON WHAT HE JUST SAID THAT, UH, OUR, THIS RESOLUTE, OR THIS ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE OWNER OR MANAGER IS A LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPIST IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID THAT THERE IS NO LICENSING IN OHIO, UM, MASSAGE, THERE IS LICENSING IN THE STATE OF OHIO FOR MASSAGE THERAPY, BUT THE, YOUR VEDIC MASSAGE IS PART OF A, YOU MOSTLY SEE IT IN YOGA STUDIOS.

THEY ALSO PERFORM, UM, MEDITATION, UM, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT.

UM, IT'S CONSIDERED A MEDICINE IN INDIA AND ALSO IN SRI LANKA, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT RECOGNIZED AS MEDICINAL HERE OTHER THAN HOLISTIC OR AS A CAM IS WHAT THEY CALL IT CAM, WHICH IS, UM, COMPLIMENTARY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.

WHAT WE DID IS WE PUT THAT IT HAS TO EITHER BE A LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPIST OR A CERTIFIED MASSAGE PRACTITIONER.

AND SO IF YOU SAW SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, THEN LET ME KNOW BECAUSE THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT.

WELL, IF IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY, WELL, WE, WE PROVIDE, YOU HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE TWO, EITHER A LICENSED, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, OR A CERTIFIED MASSAGE PRACTITIONER, WHICH BY DEFINITION IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS RECEIVED CERTIFICATION FOR THIS TYPE OF MASSAGE, FROM A REGIONAL NATIONAL STATE RECOGNIZED CERTIFICATION BODY.

AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S READILY LICENSED AND READILY AVAILABLE, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO PERFORM THIS DO HAVE THAT TYPE OF CERTIFICATION.

IT'S JUST NOT A LICENSE FROM THE STATE.

SPECIFIC CERTIFICATION PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S JUST NOT SOME, SOME DISTANCE CERTIFICATION THEY GOT, THAT REALLY DOESN'T QUALIFY THEM TO DO THIS TYPE OF MASSAGE AT YOUR VEDIC.

UM, WHEN I DID, MY RESEARCH HAD SAID THE I R BETTING PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION PROCESS, UH, HAS, UH, UH, HAS A, UH, THE NATIONAL AYURVEDIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION CERTIFICATION BOARD IS AN AEROBATIC CERTIFICATION ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

OUR VEDIC CERTIFICATION, I'M SORRY, OBTAINING AN N A M A C B CERTIFICATION MEANS THAT THE CANDIDATE HAS DEMONSTRATED THE ENTRY LEVEL COMPETENCIES OR HIS OR HER CATEGORY OF PRACTICE BY COMPLETING A, AN AMA APPROVED COURSES STUDY AND PASSING A RIGOROUS CERTIFICATION EXAM AND IS ENGAGED IN ONGOING TRAINING AS A PROFESSIONAL, THROUGH CONTINUING EDUCATION AND OTHER ACTIVITIES TO BECOME CERTIFIED AS AN, AS AN AMA AYURVEDIC PROFESSIONAL, YOU, YOU WILL FIRST HAVE TO QUALIFY THROUGH EDUCATIONAL STUDIES AND AN EXAM PROCESS.

SO MY, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO ADD THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF MASSAGE TO OUR, UM, ORDINANCE, THAT WE CITE THAT

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MASSAGE IS DIFFERENT FROM YOUR VEDIC MEDICINE AT YOUR VEDIC.

MASSAGE IS PART OF VEDIC MEDICINE, AND THE MASSAGE IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE TRAINED TO DO THE ENTIRE MEDICAL PRACTICE TO DO THE MASSAGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT I READ.

SO, UM, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T, UH, SEPARATE THE MEDICINE AND THE MASSAGE.

UM, IT JUST IDENTIFIES THESE PEOPLE AS PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS AND IN ORDER TO BE CERTIFIED TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I ARE VEDIC THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING.

SO I, WELL, I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS PROBABLY RUN THIS BY SOME OF THE PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE.

AND FOR ALL WE KNOW THEY ARE LICENSED BY THIS GROUP.

UM, I'M NOT TOO SURE WE DID.

I DID SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF LICENSES FROM THEM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.

THE ONE PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE.

AND I DID LIST SOME OF THE LICENSING, UM, HERE THAT CERTIFICATION, THAT LICENSED CERTIFICATION FROM THE ACTUAL LICENSING, NOT LICENSING THERAPIST, BUT I'VE GOT A CERTIFICATION.

THIS, MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT WE WERE JUST TAKING THAT OTHER TYPE OF MASSAGE, INCORPORATING IT INTO A CURRENTLY LICENSED THERAPEUTIC MASSAGE PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS IN THE CITY.

REALLY WHAT, WHAT THE KEY IS FOR US IS HAVING THE OWNER AND HAVING THE PARTICIPANTS INDIVIDUALLY REGISTERED.

THAT IS WHAT THE ELICIT GROUPS DON'T WANT TO DO.

THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT DOWN NAMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT WE WANT THEM TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS, TO GET CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS FROM ONLY CERTAIN PLACES, WHICH YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT.

THAT COULD BE THE PLACE WHERE YOU GO FOR THESE THINGS.

BUT, UH, I, RIGHT NOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, WE THINK THAT GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH IT IS, UH, ARGUABLY LOOSE, UH, CAUSE IT CAN BE STATE REGIONAL LICENSING, BUT KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT EXACTLY MEANS.

WE'VE BEEN THOUGHT THAT THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY REGISTER THE OWNER AND THE PEOPLE IS THE DETERRENT THAT WOULD REALLY LOOKING FOR.

SO CAN WE, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE.

THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TWO READINGS.

CAN WE JUST MOVE IT ON TO A COUNSELING FOR THE FIRST READING? AND THEN WE COULD EVEN DISCUSS POSSIBLY AMENDED AT THE YEAH.

AND THEN DISCUSS IT, THE FOLLOWING WORK SESSION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE SECOND READING THAT'S IT'S FOR YOU.

THE QUESTION MS. BIRCH, CAN YOU SEND THAT EMAIL TO ME WHAT YOU HAD SO I CAN LOOK UP THAT LICENSING.

THIS QUESTION WOULD BE FOR JERRY, JERRY.

IS THERE A REASON WHY AT THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF, UM, MASSAGE, UM, A PERSONAL PRACTITIONER, THIS WOULD NOT SEEK LICENSING UNDER THE STATE OF OHIO? UM, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT OUR PREVIOUS GAVE ME SOME COMFORT WITH THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE LICENSED THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO.

AND, UH, IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES WITH THEM, THEIR PENALTY AS A WAR WAS THE RISK OF LOSING THEIR LICENSE THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO.

SO I GUESS I'M WONDERING IN THE BIGGER PICTURE, IS THERE A REASON WHY THESE PARTICULAR TYPES OF MASSAGES, IF THAT'S THE WORD CAN'T GO THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO LICENSING PROGRAM AND THUS QUALIFY UNDER OUR ORDINANCE BY THE STATE OF OHIO, IS, DID YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS? IT'S CONSIDERED A RELAXATION MASSAGE.

IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A MEDICAL PROCEDURE, MEDICAL PROCEDURE, EVEN THOUGH AT YOUR VETA IS CONSIDERED A MEDICAL PROCEDURE IN SOME PLACES IT'S CONSIDERED HOLISTIC HERE.

AND THEN YOU'RE AT YOUR VET.

A MASSAGE IS MY UNDERSTANDING FALLS UNDER A, UM, RELAXATION MASSAGE AND THE STATE OF OHIO AND THE STATE OF OHIO DOES NOT GIVE, UM, CERTIFICATIONS FOR THAT.

THE ONE PARTICULAR THAT WE HAVE THAT, UM, SHE IS CERTIFIED THROUGH THE NATIONAL CERTIFICATION BOARD OF THERAPEUTIC MASSAGE AND BODYWORK, BUT I DON'T THAT DOESN'T MOVE OVER TO THE STATE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, OKAY.

I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT, UM, MYSELF, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH MOVING DOWN THAT ROAD UNTIL WE KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.

UM, AND I'D WANT SOME ASSURANCE THAT WE ARE GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE BEFORE WAS A PRETTY NASTY SITUATION.

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RICHARD, THANK YOU.

UM, I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO AGREE IN THE HALL WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER WEB ON THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THIS TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF SPEARHEADED THIS, UH, AS THE CITY OF HUBER I'D SAID IS NOW SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF OHIO AND IN COLUMBUS WHEN IT COMES TO THESE, YOU KNOW, MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IN RETURN, I THINK DRASTICALLY REDUCED IF NOT ELIMINATED, UH, HUMAN TRAFFICKING COMPONENT, ALONG WITH PROSTITUTION HERE IN OUR CITY OF HUBER RIDES AND OUR SURROUNDING REGION.

UM, I AGREE WITH MR. WEBB, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN.

UM, I THINK THAT THE TURN IS IN PLACE YES.

WITH THE APPLICATION, WITH THE FACT THAT IT HAS TO BE RENEWED ANNUALLY, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, VISITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN THERE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS THAT, THAT LICENSING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LEGITIMATE INDIVIDUALS, UH, OPERATING BUSINESSES HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A CHANCE TO LOSE.

I KNOW THAT WAS A, UM, A HUGE SOURCE OF CONTENTION WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF, UM, AND EVEN THIS, THIS BODY, UM, WITH A CERTIFICATE, WHAT POWER DOES THIS COUNCIL OR OUR LAW DEPARTMENT, OR THE STATE OF OHIO TO GO GET A CERTIFICATE THAT WASN'T OBTAINED HERE? ARE YOU ASKING WHAT UNDER THE ORDINANCE? WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

IF THEY ARE CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL TO SUSPEND THEM FOR 90 DAYS.

AND AFTER THE THIRD ONE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REVOKE THEIR ACTUAL PERMIT THROUGH THE CITY.

AND IT'S A MISDEMEANOR IN THE FIRST DEGREE FOR ANY VIOLATIONS.

I DON'T, I, I HOPE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME, CAUSE THAT'S, WELL, I KNOW THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT WITH THE LICENSING ITSELF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT LICENSED THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO THEN ADDITIONAL MEASURES CAN BE TAKEN TO THEN SUSPEND THAT LICENSE TO HAVE A HEARING ON.

WE CAN'T DO THAT ALL WEEK.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY ON THE OHIO LICENSE.

IF THEY CAME IN HERE AND THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG IN OUR ORDINANCE AND WE SHUT THEM DOWN FOR IT, WE CAN'T PULL THEIR LICENSE.

THAT'S, THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE STATE OF OHIO WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO WE JUST PICKED, I SHOULDN'T SAY PICK, BUT WE, WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO ONLY ALLOW LICENSED MASSAGE THERAPISTS THAT PERFORM THE MEDICAL AND WE PRETTY MUCH CUT OUT THE RELAXATION BUSINESS.

AND NOW WE ARE FINDING THAT THERE IS A LEGITIMATE RELAXATION BUSINESS THAT IS WILLING TO GO THROUGH HOOPS AND TO REGISTER AND TO DO ALL THESE THINGS IN ORDER TO PERFORM THEIR BUSINESS, JUST TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS, AS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

UM, AND THEN THE ISSUE REALLY WAS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THEY CAN GET FROM THE STATE, BUT THEY CAN GET SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER BODY.

AND EVIDENTLY IT'S A NATIONAL BODY.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN VERIFY THAT.

UM, BUT THE GOAL HERE IS, IS TO ALLOW THOSE ACTUAL LEGITIMATE ONES TO WORK, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT LICENSED BY THE STATE.

AND AGAIN, LICENSED BY THE STATE, DOESN'T GIVE US ANY AUTHORITY.

WE CAN AFFECT THEM LICENSED AND THAT'S, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE STRICTLY THROUGH CORRECT.

AND THAT PROCEDURE IS SET AND FORTH WITH THE LICENSE ONCE THEY COME UPON, IF THAT INDIVIDUAL CREATES A CRIMINAL ACT OR THE BUSINESSES INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL ACT THAT IS ALREADY SET IN MOTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT GAVE THIS COUNCIL A BIT OF CLARITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH DONE ON MISSING CLARIFICATION ON THAT, UH, THAT IS A STICKING POINT FOR ME, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY REMAINS SAFE AND WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT AS A WHOLE THINKING AMERICA, MARY, I THINK WE, WE IT'S UP TO THIS COUNCIL.

WE CAN EITHER BRING THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR A FIRST READING AND THEN AGAIN, OR WE CAN JUST HOLD OFF, IT'S TWO READINGS.

SO I'LL JUST, WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNSELING FOR READING.

AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS AGAIN AT THE WORK SESSION AND AS WITH ANY OTHER ITEM, IF IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO A THIRD OR FOURTH, WE CAN, WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF THAT AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL WE GET SOME RESOLUTION.

NEXT UP IS I AM THREE J WHICH IS A MUNICIPAL SERVICES REQUEST LETTER FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS, PHASE TWO, ANNEXATIONS BRIAN.

[ Municipal Services Request Letter - Carriage Trails - Phase II - Annexation]

UH, YES, SIR.

JERRY THE CITY, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION FROM, UH, DEC, UH, REGARDING, UM, FILING A REFILING OF THE ANNEXATION PETITION WITH MIAMI COUNTY, UH, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED BACK IN 2021, WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY DENIED FOR TECHNICAL REASONS.

THOSE REASONS HAVE BEEN, UH, AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED, UH, TO MYSELF, THOSE TECHNICAL ERRORS HAVE BEEN CORRECTED AND DEC INTENDS TO SUBMIT THE ANNEXATION PETITION ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, UH, THEY DID SUBMIT, UH, A LETTER OF, EXCUSE ME, A, UM, UM, THE SERVICE LETTER, UM, MUNICIPAL

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SERVICES REQUEST LETTER, PARDON ME, THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE.

AND SO WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN THE PACKET FOR COUNSEL'S REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, UH, AND, UH, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR MATTER.

UH, BUT THIS IS, AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME, A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT, UH, TO ADVANCE THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE COUNTY THAT'S RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

AND OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K ANNEXATIONS MORATORIUM, RICHARD.

[ Annexations - Moratorium]

UM, THE, UH, THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE, UH, IN THE PACKET, UH, IT CONTAINS A, UM, A PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND RESEARCH, UH, FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, UH, THIS, UM, GO SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH A REQUESTS FROM, UH, UH, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, UH, TO, UH, PLACE A MORATORIUM PULLING ON ANNEXATION TO ALLOW OUR TWO BODIES OF GOVERNMENT TO COME TO THE TABLE AND FIND SOME SORT OF PATH FORWARD.

UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT'S PAYING ATTENTION KNOWS, UH, THIS ANNEXATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHETHER I SAY NO COUNCIL MEMBER OTTO SAYS, NO, COUNCILMAN KITCHEN SAYS NO, 500 RESIDENTS SAY NO, UM, IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO IF THAT'S THE FORESHADOW INTO THAT, LET'S TAKE A MOMENT.

LET'S GET OUR TWO BODIES OF GOVERNMENT TOGETHER AND FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON, UM, BEFORE WE HAVE, UM, THIS ADDITIONAL ANNEXATION TAKE PLACE.

UH, I THINK THAT WAS THE REQUEST OF THE, UM, BETHEL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

UM, THIS TYPE OF MORATORIUM, UM, EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF OHIO, UH, BEEN, UM, PROVIDED, UM, I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE, UH, WAS, UH, PROOF-READ AND, UM, UH, REVIEWED BY OUR LAW DEPARTMENT.

AND, UH, IF JERRY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT AGAIN, OUTSIDE OF THAT, JUST FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, LIKE I SAID, FOR OUR TWO COMMUNITIES TO AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, AND A TIMEFRAME SET, UM, THAT THE, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS, UH, FOR ANNEXATION KNOW, UH, WHAT THAT IS, ALLOW OUR COMMUNITIES TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, AS WELL AS OUR SCHOOLS.

UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, RUSHING INTO THINGS LIKE, UH, JUST ONE COUPLE OF THINGS, ACTUALLY, UM, YESTERDAY I RECEIVED VIA EMAIL, A LETTER FROM A LAW FIRM IN COLUMBUS STATING THEY REPRESENT BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND FORMALLY REQUESTING A MEETING BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY.

I'M NOT SURE WHY I RECEIVED IT.

I SENT IT TO BRIAN AND TO, UH, TO TONY AND, UH, TOLD THE MAYOR ABOUT IT, UH, JUST BEFORE THE MEETING.

UM, I HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

I WILL HAVE 20 CENTERED OFF TO ALL THE COUNCIL, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS LETTER IS REQUEST A MEETING REGARDING WHAT MR. SEAN JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, LEGISLATION.

I, I, UM, DID HAVE SEVERAL TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH IT.

I SHARED THOSE WITH YOU.

UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT TOO MUCH RIGHT NOW.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY IS THAT A MORATORIUM IS BASICALLY WHEN YOU PUT A STOP TO SOMEBODY THAT HAS A RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU PUT A STOP TO IT TEMPORARILY WHILE YOU CHECK SOMETHING OUT WELL, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A STOP TO ANY MERRELL MEDICAL MARIJUANA FACILITIES, UNTIL WE REALLY GET OUR HEADS AROUND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

SO IF WE WANT TO DO A MORATORIUM ON ANNEXATIONS TWO YEARS IS TOO LONG.

UM, IT'S GOTTA BE FOR A LIMITED PURPOSE.

YOU HAVE TO STATE WHAT THAT PURPOSE IS.

YOU HAVE TO STAY AT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING FOR THAT PURPOSE.

UM, ALSO SINCE WE'RE TAKING A RIGHT AWAY FROM SOMEBODY, THEY HAVE VESTED INTERESTS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS REQUESTED SOMETHING FOR US, BASICALLY PUT THEIR NAME IN THE HOPPER.

IF WE DID THE MORATORIUM, IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE 600 ACRE PROPERTY.

IT WOULD APPLY TO FUTURE PROPERTIES.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAD WITH, WITH YOUR PROPOSED LEGISLATION, AND I'M GETTING, I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING, I DIDN'T TELL YOU IS THAT IT'S ALL ANNOTATIONS TYPE ONE ATKINS AND THE ANNEXATIONS TYPE TWO ANNEXATIONS.

THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BAND VEXATIONS ANNEXATIONS FROM BETHEL TOWNSHIP FROM, OR EXCUSE ME, FROM MIAMI COUNTY, FROM CLARK COUNTY, FROM GREENE COUNTY, WE IT'S ALL ENCOMPASSING.

WE DON'T KNOW IF, IF I KIA COMES INTO CLARK COUNTY AND WANTS TO, UM, AN EXTRA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOME BIG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF THING FOR TYPE THREE ANNEXATION.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

SO I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE LEGISLATION AS DRAFTED.

UM, I DID PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS TO YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT IT TO LOOK AT THAT AND SUBMIT THAT.

BUT ONE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT ANNEXATION IS NOT A CITY PROCESS.

IT'S A COUNTY PROCESS.

WE FILE WITH THE COUNTY.

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UM, WE, AS A CITY, CAN'T DIRECT CITY STAFF AS THIS ONE DID IN SECTION FOUR TO SAY, YOU WILL NOT TAKE ANY ACTION BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE STATEMENT OF SERVICES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT THE CLERK COUNSEL IS TO PROVIDE THAT IF WE PASS THIS LEGISLATION, WE'RE TELLING THE CLERK OR COUNSEL, EVEN THOUGH THE LAW SAYS DO IT, DON'T DO IT.

WE CAN'T DO THAT.

SO I DO HAVE SOME, SOME PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THAT MORATORIUM, UH, WITH THAT LANGUAGE AS, UH, AS PRESENTED ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, UM, I WOULD PRIMARILY JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO JERRY, IS THAT THE LETTER THAT JERRY MENTIONED FROM BETHEL, UH, I DO THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROCESS.

IF AS MR. SHAW SAYS, THIS IS INEVITABLE AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, UM, I DO ALSO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE, WE DO NEED TO SIT WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE IN THE BEST INTEREST.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF IT'S NOT DESIRED, AT LEAST MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST GO HOME AND SAY, WELL, WE DID THE BEST WE COULD ON THIS ONE.

AND WE GOT AS MUCH AS WE COULD ON THIS ONE.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONVERSATION IS ON THAT AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN THE TRUSTEE WAS HERE, I, I ECHOED HER DESIRE FOR THAT MEETING AND I STILL DO.

AND, AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL ASSIST IN THAT MEETING AS WELL.

AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHO'S LOOKING FOR WHAT, AND IF THERE IS A MIDDLE GROUND, I HOPE WE CAN FIND IT.

YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION QUESTIONS IT'S DONE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE LETTER, JERRY, WHO WAS ON LETTER ADDRESSED TO IT WAS, IT'S NOT TO, TO ME, IT'S TO GERALD MCDONALD HAD MY ADDRESS.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT WAS SENT VIA EMAIL.

UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY SHORT.

I CAN JUST READ IT TO YOU.

UM, DEAR MR. MCDONALD, OUR FIRM HAS BEEN RETAINED AS SPECIAL COUNSEL BY BETHEL TOWNSHIP BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THE BOARD.

IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU SERVE AS LAW DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

THE CITY, THE PURPOSE OF THIS LETTER IS TO REQUEST A MEETING BETWEEN REPRESENTATIVES OF THE BOARD AND THE CITY TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, FUTURE GROWTH, IN OTHER AREAS OF MUTUAL INTERESTS AND CONCERNS.

IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY IS CONSIDERING A POTENTIAL ANNEXATION OF 260 ACRES IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.

SO OUR CLIENT IS REQUESTING THAT A MEETING BE ORGANIZED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR PROMPT ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER OF COURSE, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US AT BLAH BLAH, TELEPHONE NUMBER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I DID RESPOND BY SIMPLY SAYING THAT I WOULD FORWARD THIS LETTER TO THE CLERK COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH I DID.

SO ANY LEGAL WEIGHT BEHIND THEM ASKING US TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO NO, THIS IS JUST AN ATTORNEY ASKING FOR A MEETING.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT.

THERE'S NO LEGAL THREATS.

THERE'S NO, IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A REQUEST TO MEET.

AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT I MEAN, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE CURRENT ANNEXATION REQUEST THAT WE DON'T, IF THIS ANNEXATION GOES THROUGH TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY SAYS, YES, THEN IT'S GOING TO LAND ON OUR LAP AND WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

AND WE HAVE TO SAY, IS THIS THE BEST FOR THE CITY? AND THAT THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

ISN'T THIS THE BEST FOR THE CITY, MAYBE THAT HAS SOME TOWNSHIP ELEMENTS TO IT, BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION IS THE BEST FOR THE CITY.

IF THE TOWNSHIP, OR EXCUSE ME, THE COUNTY SAYS NO, THEN THIS COULD GO INTO LITIGATION AND IT COULD BE ANY LITIGATION FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE WANT TO NOT LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF TO THROW INTO LOOKING INTO THIS DOING DUE DILIGENCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT UNTIL THE TIME'S RIGHT.

SO IT'S, IN MY OPINION, IT SEEMS KIND OF WHY WOULD WE BE MEETING WITH THE TOWNSHIP TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WHEN WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN YET? AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES RIGHT NOW TO PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THAT WHEN WE HAVE CR DATE AND MARION MEADOWS, HORIZON, AND ALL THESE OTHER PLACES OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED STAFF.

THAT'S JUST MY, MY 2 CENTS FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

THANK YOU, JERRY AS WELL.

THANKS JOHN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, BUT YESTERDAY, THANK YOU, JERRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, HOW HAS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS RECEIVED AN OFFICIAL APPLICATION OF ANNEXATION, OR JUST A NOTICE THAT SOMEBODY MAY FILE FOR ANNEXATION? UM, WE WOULD NOT RECEIVE IN EFFICIENT NOTICE MONETIZATION UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY FILED.

WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IS THE REQUEST FOR A STATEMENT OF SERVICES, WHICH IS THE FIRST, IF YOU WILL, CITY STEP THAT'S REQUIRED.

WE HAVE TO DO THAT WITHIN 20 DAYS OF WHEN THEY FILE, DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY FILE, WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE 20 DAYS TO GO THROUGH A

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WORK SESSION TO KNOCK.

SO I GUESS, LET ME, LET ME CHANGE MY QUESTION.

ARE YOU AWARE OF AN APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN FULLY FILED ON THIS ANNEXATION? YUP.

UM, I, MARY, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD ASK AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN ASKED HERE SEVERAL TIMES IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEETINGS, UH, THAT OUR MEETING, UH, TAKE PLACE.

UH, I'M COMPLETELY FINE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A SPECIAL SESSION, UH, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, IT DOES NOT MATTER TO ME.

UM, I THINK THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD, UM, AND HAVE A RIGHT TO ADDRESS THIS FULL BODY IN ITSELF.

UM, AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SCHEDULED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

I KNOW I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY REQUEST.

THANKS, RICHARD.

UH, I, I MEAN, I W I, I DON'T, UM, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, WITH, UM, MR. MCDONALD BOARD, BUT WITH DON, I THINK, UM, I THINK THE MEETING WITH INCOME DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, OR PROCESS, ONCE YOU HAVE COUNTY APPROVAL OR COUNTY DISAPPROVAL AND THROUGH LITIGATION, ONCE WE GET THERE, I MEAN, MEETING TO TRY TO DETERMINE, LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, WHAT AN AGREEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE AFTER.

SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S PREMATURE UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THESE, WHAT THESE STEPS ARE NOW, AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION, WHICH FEATURES LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION, BUT CERTAINLY AS A, IF THERE A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COMPEL, UM, TO ENTERTAIN SUCH A MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO BODIES AND THEN THAT'S ALL THEY'LL DO.

BUT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NOT, UM, THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY THAT WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK, I THINK ANY MEETING, UH, SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, UH, TILL WE ENTER A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.

AND THEN THAT MEETING WOULD BECOME PART OF THAT PART OF THAT PROCESS.

YES, MARY, THE ONLY REASON I PUT THIS MORATORIUM REQUESTS IN, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE TRUSTEES, UH, RESIDENTS.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE ONLY REASON I'M PUSHING FOR THIS MEETING, UH, IS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS WITHIN THE PAST 30 TO 60 DAYS, UH, WITH MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF, UM, WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF BETHEL, THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN SHARED THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL THE PEOPLE BE IN THE SAME ROOM TO HAVE THE SAME PIECE OF INFORMATION, UM, NOT WHETHER IT'S ABOUT ANNEXATION.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TWO BODIES TO GET TOGETHER AND IF ANNEXATION DISCUSSIONS TAKE PLACE.

SO BE IT, IT'S AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING UNDER THE OHIO SUNSHINE LAWS WHERE GRIEVANCES AND DISCUSSIONS CAN OCCUR.

SO, SO YOU HA YOU, YOU WANT, THE MORATORIUM TOLD ME A BIGGER BURDEN IS WHAT I JUST UNDERSTOOD YOU.

THE REASON YOU WANTED THE MORATORIUM ON THE AGENDA WAS, WAS TO HOLD THE MEETING OR BECAUSE YOU WANT TO, I THINK THE MORATORIUM IS IMPORTANT.

UM, I THINK THE MORATORIUM IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT EVEN TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH BETHEL, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, OTHER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS, UH, AGAIN AS TO MR MACDONALD'S POINT, YOU KNOW, IF ANY OTHER COMMUNITY, UM, THE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ACTION PLAN PUT IN PLACE ON ANY TYPE OF ANNEXATION.

UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A POLICY AND PROCEDURES SET FORTH ON ANNEXATION ON HOW WE PROCEED MOVING FORWARD.

WE JUST DO WHAT THE COURT AND THE STATE AND THE COUNTY TELLS US, UM, EXCEPT W YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN THE CITY WAS INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOUNDED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE WHOLE DATE AND PROCESS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE.

UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO START THAT PLANNING PROCESS TO BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.

WHY WAIT UNTIL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEET TO SAY YES OR NO, LET'S HAVE THOSE PROACTIVE DISCUSSIONS AGAIN WITH, YOU KNOW, BETHEL TOWNSHIP, IF IT COMES OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHICH FROM WHAT I HEARD IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY, THEY'LL SAY NO AGAIN, BUT IF THEY DO SAY YES OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEN AT LEAST WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS.

AT LEAST WE KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY STANDS.

UM, THAT'S MY ONLY REQUEST MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MARK.

UH, BRIAN, HAS THIS CITY ENTERED INTO ANY JED AGREEMENTS WITH ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE PAST OR CURRENTLY HOLD AN AGREEMENT? THE ONLY JED AGREEMENT THAT THIS CITY IS A PART OF IS WITH, UH, BETHEL TOWNSHIP CLARK COUNTY.

AND RICHARD, IN YOUR PRESENTATION INFORMATION, YOU HAD PROVIDED US INFORMATION AND REVIEWING THAT SOME OF THE INFORMATION PERTAINED TO JET AGREEMENTS.

SO WE DO, IN FACT, BRIAN HAVE JED AGREEMENTS, UH, JUST THE ONES THERE.

I THINK IT WAS NUMBER FOUR.

UM, I'M, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, ITEM FOUR.

JERRY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE LEGISLATION?

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CLOSE TO UP THE THING, UM, THAT WAS, IF I RECALL A DIRECTION THAT A CITY STAFF WILL TAKE, NO.

UM, NO ACTION ON ANY ANNEXATION THAT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SAY CAN'T HAPPEN THAT THAT'S NOT PROPER.

UH, MAYOR TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

UH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY EITHER.

SO, UM, SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES.

AMAZING.

UH, YES.

UH, FOR ALL THE, UH, FOR THE REASONS THAT MR. CAMPBELL JUST STATED AND, AND ALL THE REASONS THAT, UH, THAT OUR LAW DIRECTOR STATED, UM, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS ON.

I'M TOTALLY AGAINST A MORATORIUM, ESPECIALLY IN, UH, UH, L DEFINED BUTTON.

SO IS THERE ANY OTHER YES.

UM, FOR THE REASONS OF MR. MCDONALD'S SAID, I THINK ENTERING INTO A BLIND OR AGREEMENT TO COVER EVERYTHING FOR YEARS IS ILL-ADVISED SO I'M A NO.

SO, UM, SO KATE AND DAWN AND MARK AND NANCY HAVE, SO TYPICALLY I ALWAYS ASK, IS THERE A MAJORITY OF, IS THERE AN OBJECTION TO MOVING SOMETHING ONTO THE NEXT MEETING? SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE EIGHT OF US HERE, SO WOULD FORDOW AND I HAVEN'T ASKED, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GLEN OR ANITA IN TERMS OF, CAUSE, CAUSE WE DON'T TAKE THE TOUCH WHILE WE ALWAYS DO THIS IN THE FORM OF OBJECTION.

SO, SO I WOULD JUST ASK THEM IS, DO WE, IS THERE, I KNOW THERE'S FOUR OF YOU WHO OBJECTED TO MOVING THE MORATORIUM TO MONDAY'S MEETING.

SO IS THAT A MAJORITY OF OBJECTION BEING THAT WE'RE ONE SHORT BREAK? YES.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR MOVING IT FOR ALL CONSIDERATION.

JUST THE MORATORIUM ITSELF, THIS LEGISLATION.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE L WHICH IS HE WRITES COMMUNITY CENTER RENOVATIONS.

AND THEN I THINK THE SEPARATE ISSUE WAS DIRECTION TO STAFF IN TERMS OF THE MEETING REQUEST.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM K ON THE MORATORIUM ITSELF? OKAY.

[ Huber Heights Community Center Renovations]

UM, WE'LL MOVE THIS, UH, TO NANCY.

UM, WHEN WE WENT OUT TO THE, UH, THE RECENT ARDEN BEAUTIFICATION AND OUR SHOW AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL ATTENDED, BUT IT BECAME VERY EVIDENT QUICKLY.

AND THROUGHOUT THE EVENT THAT, UH, THERE IS INSUFFICIENT PARKING OUT THERE.

THERE'S ALSO A LACK OF A, UH, UH, SIGNAGE AT THE FAIR, ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW WHERE IT IS.

AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS YOU'RE ROUNDING THE BEND DOWN PAL, UM, YOU'RE NOT SURE WHICH ENTRANCE TO GO INTO.

UM, SO THOSE TWO THINGS, UH, ARE REALLY AN IMMEDIATE NEED BECAUSE I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE WHILE I WAS THERE AND THEY HAVE EVENTS PLANNED, UH, GRADUATION EVENTS, A WEDDING RE UM, UH, RECEPTIONS AND OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

UM, CONVEY IN OVER THE SUMMER WHERE THEY'RE EXPECTING LIKE 90 GUESTS AND STUFF, AND THERE'S JUST INSUFFICIENT PARKING THERE.

AND I'M, I MEANT TO GET WITH JOSH AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT SCOTT, WHAT HE HAS SCHEDULED, BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIM, UH, FOR W FOR WHAT'S BEING BOOKED THERE.

BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO, UH, TO FIX THE PARKING LOT, TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT AND TO, UH, PUT A SIGN THERE, BUT WE'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE OR HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RENOVATING THE KITCHEN SO THAT IT IS, IT IS MORE OF A ALL-PURPOSE TYPE CENTER THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO BRING THEIR OWN FOOD AND THEY HAVE A STORAGE THERE, THEY HAVE, UM, GOOD REFRIGERATION, UM, HEATING, UM, ABILITY FOR THEIR FOODS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, WE NEED TO UPDATE IT IS EVERYONE KNOWS IT HASN'T BEEN USED IN A LONG TIME AND, AND THINGS ARE OUTDATED OR DON'T WORK.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS WITH COUNCIL NOW TO START TAKING SOME ACTION, TO GET SOME ESTIMATES AND TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER REALLY IS A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT EVERYONE CAN USE.

ARE ALSO IN THIS CONVERSATION.

I'D LIKE TO SAY, I'VE, I'VE BROUGHT UP THIS CONVERSATION IN THE PAST, AND THEN MR. CHARLES BROUGHT UP THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL.

AND I'M HAPPY THAT, THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE THAT

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NOW I LOOK VERY FORWARD TO DISCUSSING HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT A COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE BEST THING, BEST THING WE CAN MAKE IT.

SO THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, THE KITCHEN'S NOT AWFUL.

I HAD AN EVENT THERE BETWEEN CHRISTMAS, NEW YEARS WHEN I DID MY SWEARY, NAN, AND THERE IS PROPER REFRIGERATOR AND I HAD GREAT BIG PLATTERS AND WAS ABLE TO REFRIGERATE SUFFICIENTLY.

SO IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WHAT IT'S KIND OF SOUNDINGS.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF MONEY TO UPGRADE IT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A FUNCTIONAL KITCHEN.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS JUST TO THROW OUT HERE, WHAT'S OUR RULES WHEN THEY WERE SAYING WEDDING RECEPTIONS, DO WE HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THEM TO SERVE LIQUOR OUT THERE? WHAT'S THE RULES BEHIND USING THIS CENTER? I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

AND DO WE MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR WHEN PEOPLE GO TO RUN IT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THERE IS AN AGREEMENT THAT PEOPLE SIGN, UM, ALCOHOL IS PERMITTED WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PARKS MANAGER, BUT, UH, UM, THAT'S MORE OF A CALL IT A BYOB TYPE OF, UM, SITUATION AS OPPOSED TO THE SALE WHERE YOU WOULD NEED TO, UH, ACQUIRE A PERMIT THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO.

CORRECT.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK THERE'S A $25 FEE, CORRECT.

THERE IS, THERE IS A SMALL FEE THAT, YEAH, 50 NOW IT'S $50 DEPOSIT AND $50 FEE.

AND I, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND WHEN WE GET THAT, UH, WHEN WE GET THAT UPGRADED AND, UH, AS WELL, EVEN NOW, AS IT'S STARTING TO BE USED MORE THAT WE PERHAPS TAKE A CLEANING DEPOSIT FROM PEOPLE WHO, WHO GRANTED.

SO IF THEY LEAVE IT TRASHED, YOU KNOW, WE AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO, UH, TO RECOUP TO GET IT CLEANED UP.

I THINK THAT'S THAT $50 DEPOSIT.

IF IT'S NOT CLEANED UP, YOU DON'T GET THE 50 BACK.

I DON'T KNOW.

WHEN I RENTED IT JUST, AS I SAID, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IT WAS $50 DEPOSIT PLUS $50 FOR THE RENTAL.

SO WE CLEANED UP, SO I GOT MY $50 BACK.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT $50 IS.

FACILITY, UH, HAVING SPOKEN WITH, UH, MR. KING ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM, UH, THE, UH, THE MOST RECENT EVENT, THE, UH, THE ART SHOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR OPERATION.

I DON'T THINK WE DO THAT FOR THE SHELTERS.

DO WE? I SHOULD, WE SHOULD.

NANCY HAD A SHORTLIST.

I HAVE A LONG LIST.

I CONCUR THE KITCHEN AND I THINK THE SHELVES, THEY SHOULD JUST ONLY BE SHELVES, NOT A CABINETS.

IT'S EASIER TO LIKE WHEN YOU ONLY PUT THE BAG OF CHIPS UP HERE AND YOU CAN JUST SEE VERY CLEARLY WHEN YOU GO TO CLEAR OUT THE SPACE EVERYTHING'S CLEARED OUT VERSUS LEAVING THINGS IN CABINETS.

UM, I ALSO AGREE ABOUT THE SIGNAGE ON THE OUTSIDE, MAKING SURE THE PAINT ON THE INSIDE, IT LOOKS NICE AND APPROPRIATE.

UM, FOR THE ART EVENT, WE BORROWED SENIOR CITIZENS TABLES AND CHAIRS, AND OUR CITY STAFF HAULED THEM BACK AND FORTH.

SO WE NEED, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS VENUE AS A VENUE, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR OWN TABLES AND CHAIRS AT THAT VENUE VERSUS OUR STAFF HAULING IT BACK AND FORTH.

I AGREE WITH NANCY ABOUT THE PARKING LOT NEEDS TO BE ENLARGED.

THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR A PLAYGROUND.

UM, THE HOOPS NEED NETS, PROPER LIGHTING ON THE EXTERIOR AND, UM, ADULT CHANGING TABLE AND ALARMS AND CAMERAS THAT OUR VENUE.

THAT WAS MY LONG LIST.

RICHARD, THANK YOU, MARY.

I, UM, CONCUR WITH MR. OTTO STATEMENTS.

UH, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA AND SUPPORT, UH, MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WAS THE BIKE PARK IN THE BACK.

UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

UM, THERE WERE SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT QUITE GOT TO DESIGN, CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE SUPPORTIVE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME ON, UM, ENHANCING ENLARGING OF THE OVERALL COMMUNITY CENTER SPACE.

UH, THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING, I THINK PLAYGROUNDS WERE ON THEIR KITCHEN WAS ON THERE.

UM, I THINK, UH, COMMUNITY GARDENS WAS ON THERE.

UM, YEAH, SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT, I WOULD SAY I GET WITH OUR PARKS MANAGER.

HE'S PROBABLY STILL GOT A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL DATA, UH, THAT, UH, WE CAN DUST OFF AND REPRESENT AND UM, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD.

BUT YES, THANK YOU.

SO BRIAN, YOU KNOW, MARTIN TO RICHARD AND GLENN'S POINT, UH, I KNOW THEY'VE ADVOCATED FOR A LONG TIME TO UPGRADE THE FACILITY.

BRIAN, I THOUGHT WE HAD SPENT SOME MONEY AND WE HAD UPGRADED THE FACILITY.

AND IF WE HAVE, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT TO PROVIDE THAT DATA TO US AND WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE SPENT THAT TYPE OF THING.

CORRECT.

IF COUNSEL WILL RECALL, IT WAS ABOUT THE TIME THAT I JOINED THE STAFF HERE.

UH, THE CITY WAS WORKING WITH A HYDROPONICS.

I THINK IT WAS A HYDROPONICS ORGANIZATION THAT WAS LOOKING TO TAKE OVER THAT FACILITY, UH, AND RENOVATED FOR THEIR PARTICULAR USE AND FOR, UH, CERTAIN FACTORS ALONG THE WAY, OR FOR CERTAIN REASONS ALONG THE WAY THEY FELL OFF TO THE SIDE OF THEIR PROJECT DIDN'T DEVELOP.

UH, AND AT THAT TIME, MR. SCHOMER, UH, COMMITTED OTHER RESOURCES TO BEGIN IMPROVING THAT PARTICULAR

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WE CAN FIND $5,000 TO PUT A SIGN OUT.

WE CAN FIND $4,000 TO MAKE SOME BASIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CABINETRY, UH, REGARDING PARKING.

UM, WE HAVE COME UP WITH A SHORT-TERM PLAN, UH, TO CREATE SOME, UH, OPTIONAL SPACE OR SOME ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW SPACE TO WHAT WOULD BE TO THE WEST.

UM, IT WOULD BE GRASS-BASED BASE AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT IT IS A SHORT-TERM PLAN SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AND EVALUATE HOW THAT SPACE IS BEING USED.

IT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT THE SPACE WOULD BE USED AS OFTEN AND AS FREQUENTLY AND TO THE VOLUME THAT WE HAD WITH THE ART SHOW, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST THE RESOURCES IN THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY TO MAKE IT THE BEST, MOST FUNCTIONAL, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION OR MY SUGGESTION THAT WE TAKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW HOW THAT SPACE IS BEING USED SINCE IT IS ONLY NEW TO THE INVENTORY, IF YOU WILL, AS A COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND IF WE WERE GOING TO SEE EVENTS LIKE THE ART SHOW THAT DRAWS THAT CROWD, AND WE SEE THAT CROWD TWO OR THREE TIMES A MONTH FOR, YOU KNOW, 10, 11, 12 CONTINUOUS MONTHS, THEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MAKE THE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS THAT COUNCIL HAS SUGGESTED TONIGHT IF IT'S THE TYPE OF FACILITY OR IF IT'S THE TYPE OF EVENT WHERE WE SEE IT USED FREQUENTLY, BUT FOR SMALLER CROWDS AND THE LARGER CROWDS ONLY OCCUR ON AN INFREQUENT BASIS, WE CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND LOOK AT WAYS TO RESPOND AND ENSURE THAT THE FACILITY FUNCTIONS FOR THOSE INSTANCES AS WELL.

SO FROM WHAT STAFF IS AWARE OF, WE ARE TAKING SOME STEPS ALREADY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, AND WE INTEND TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND LOOK AT HOW THAT FACILITY IS BEING UTILIZED SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE 20, 23 BUDGET, WE CAN BRING FORWARD ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES TO RESPOND TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN ACCORDANCE WITH COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

SO TO YOUR POINT, AFTER THE SURVEYS DONE, AND WE DETERMINE WHAT THE NEED IS IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN YOU WOULD PROPOSE TO SPEND A COUPLE THOUSAND FOR SIGN ASSIGN FOUR OR 5,000 FOR CABINETS.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I THOUGHT WE HAD SPENT SOME WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SERIOUS MONEY DOWN THERE.

AND WE DID, AND I'LL HAVE TO PULL THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

AND I CAN, I CAN DISSEMINATE THAT VIA AN EMAIL AS SOON AS TO GET THAT.

AND I THOUGHT AFTER YOU BROWN IT UP, WE DID IT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IN THE FACILITY.

YOU KNOW WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD HERE TONIGHT WAS IT FELL ON DEAF EARS AND IT DIDN'T, I MEAN, THERE WAS MONEY SPENT ON THAT FACILITY.

WAS THERE NOT, THAT IS CORRECT.

COULD YOU PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US PLEASE? I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PULL THAT.

UH, YES, WE DID MOLD REMEDIATION, WHICH I KNOW WASN'T CHEAP.

WE DID SOME PAINTING INSIDE.

UM, BUT THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO ALSO REMEMBER BRIAN, IS THAT, UH, THE WORD IS JUST GETTING OUT ABOUT THAT FACILITY AND BECAUSE IT WILL BE AN INEXPENSIVE FACILITY, I THINK IT WILL GET A LOT OF USE AND I HOPE IT DOES MA'AM YES, MARK.

AND I REMEMBER NANCY SUGGESTING WE DO A SURVEY AND I THINK THAT NEEDS SURVEY COULD COME BACK WITH SOME REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

SO DO WE KNOW IF WE HAVE STARTED THAT? OKAY.

THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD MYSELF AND MR. KING JUST HAD, UH, A WEEK AGO, JUST IN THE FEW DAYS AFTER THE ART SHOW.

SO, UM, LIMITED TIME WINDOW TO BEGIN GATHERING THAT INFORMATION, BUT THAT IS INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET, WE DISCUSSED AND TALKED ABOUT PUTTING, UH, SOME OF THE BIKE PARK DOWN THERE.

AND FROM THAT DISCUSSION, WE FELT WELL, WE NEEDED TO SURVEY THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY.

RIGHT.

SO IF WE COULD PULL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, I'D LIKE TO SIT THROUGH, WE'LL GRAB WHAT WE CAN.

WHERE WE CAN BALANCE SOME OF THESE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS OFF OF HIM.

I KIND OF AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.

ARE WE USING THIS AS A COMMUNITY CENTER? LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE GIRL SCOUT TROOP CAN MEET ON TUESDAY NIGHTS OR IS THIS GOING TO BE A RENTAL FOR WEDDINGS BECAUSE $50 FOR A WEDDING RECEPTION HALL IS EXTREMELY CHEAP.

I MEAN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR RATES BECAUSE WOW.

I MEAN, I WISH I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A PLACE FOR $50 WHEN I GOT MARRIED.

UM, SO I'M JUST SAYING, WE NEED TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE EXACT PURPOSE OF WHAT THE FACILITY'S GOING TO BE HOLDING IN IT.

SO FROM THANK YOU, MA'AM, UH, THERE'S A PERSON MISSING HERE TONIGHT IN THIS CONVERSATION, AND THAT WOULD BE OUR PARKS MANAGER, JOSH BROWN.

AND IF COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE THE DISCUSSION TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND ASKED MR. KING TO BE IN ATTENDANCE

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I'VE SPOKEN TO JOSH MANY TIMES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, HIS PLANS FOR IT AND HIS VISION FOR IT.

AND IT DOESN'T CONTRADICT WITH ANYTHING I'VE HEARD ON THE DIASTEMA.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE AS JOSH COME FORWARD, AND IF NOTHING ELSE TO USE A TERM THAT YOU'VE USED OFTEN MIRROR, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE US EMPOWER JOSH, TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS, LET HIM KNOW THAT THERE IS A WILLINGNESS AMONGST COUNCIL TO BACK HIM IN THOSE DECISIONS AND THAT WE'VE GOT THE WALLET TO DO IT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON A LOT OF THESE IDEAS.

BUT AGAIN, WITH JOSH NOT HERE AT THIS MEETING, UM, HE IS THE GONE ONE TO, TO WITH REGARD TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

SO THANK YOU, NANCY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION? MAKE SURE JOSH IS HERE.

AND, BUT JUST, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION DOWN THIS PATH, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN UNDER SURVEY OR WE'RE STUDYING WHAT, UH, TYPES OF USES THAT WE'RE GETTING AN APPLICATIONS WANT TO BE THERE.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE, UM, SIX MONTHS OF TRYING TO ANALYZE AFTER ANALYZE AFTER, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, ANALYZING, UM, LET'S, LET'S PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING, FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED, WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND THEN LET'S, UM, LET'S ADD SOME, SOME MONEY TO IT WITH JOSH, HIS RECOMMENDATIONS, AND LET'S GET SOME OF THOSE LESS, THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT WE KNOW GET THOSE TAKEN CARE OF.

I AGREE.

A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I HOPE IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THAT SIGN PUT IN.

JUST TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

BRIAN, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THEY CAN'T PUT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE AS YOU'RE COMING IN ON THE RIGHT? SO THERE'S A DRAINAGE SWALE.

UM, IF I REMEMBER MY CONVERSATION WITH MR. KING CORRECTLY, THERE'S A DRAINAGE WHALE THAT RUNS, UH, EAST WEST IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

SO AS YOU'RE COMING UP THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU'VE GOT THAT OPEN FIELD OUT TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, UH, THE DEPRESSION AND THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH WHERE THAT WATER RUNS IT.

SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT AT LEAST PROBABLY TRYING TO PROVIDE A TEMPORARY PARKING OPTION, WE LOOKED WEST OF THE DRIVE TOWARDS THE, UH, THE VFW OR, UH, THERE'LL BE COLUMBUS.

SO, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO THE EAST, UH, AND, UH, WITH COUNCIL WANTING TO SEE THIS ITEM BACK AT THE WORK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, MR. CAMPBELL, COULD WE PROVIDE THE INFORMATION YOU ASKED AS PART OF THAT PACKET? WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATELY? RIGHT.

OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.

SO IS THERE, SO I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN, THE SIGN IS THE SIGN.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD, UM, MOVE JUST THE SIGNAGE TO THE, THE COUNCIL MEETING TO START AT LEAST, OR TO START DOING SOME BIDDING? WELL, WE'LL JUST, I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO, I MEAN, WE, AS STAFF ARE EMPOWERED TO DO THOSE THINGS AND SO WE WILL FIND THE RESOURCES.

I MEAN, SO TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER, WE, AS STAFF HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO GET ASSIGNED THERE SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, WE, AS STAFF HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO TRY AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THINGS LIKE THE CABINETS, THINGS SUCH AS THE PARKING, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE MORE CUMBERSOME THINGS LIKE, UM, THE KITCHEN BEYOND AESTHETIC UPDATES, RIGHT? WHEN WE START BRINGING IN THINGS LIKE STOVES AND COOKERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE GET INTO ISSUES WITH FIRE SUPPRESSION AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WHICH CAN SIGNIFICANTLY DRIVE UP THE COST FOR THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, CAN WE SEE HOW THE FACILITY IS BEING USED AND GET FEEDBACK FROM END USERS TO JUST SIMPLY SAY, WELL, HEY, WE SHOULD PUT IN ANOTHER $150,000 WITH THE FIRE SUPPRESSION BECAUSE WE HAD ONE EVENT WHERE SOMEBODY WANTED TO HAVE A FUNCTIONAL KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A WISE INVESTMENT? AND IF COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT TO BE SO WE WILL MAKE IT.

SO, SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO JUST DO AS STAFF, BECAUSE WE DO THOSE THINGS ALL THE TIME WHEN WE ENCOUNTERED THESE ISSUES, SOME OF THE LARGER THINGS, WE WOULD LIKE SOME, SOME TIME, BUT SOME FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AS WELL.

YES, BRIAN, COULD WE PUT TOGETHER A SURVEY FORM THAT WE HAND OUT TO GROUPS AS THEY USE IT.

AND THAT CAN BE A CONVERSATION THAT, UH, MR. KING AND I CAN HAVE, AND WE CAN START PUTTING THAT TOGETHER BECAUSE AS THE PERSON WHO TAKES THOSE RESERVATIONS, AS OPPOSED TO THE SHELTERS WHERE ALL OF THAT GOES THROUGH THE Y MR. KING IS AWARE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR.

AND SO I'M NOT QUITE NECESSARILY WE CAN DO THE SURVEY, BUT I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE JUST BY THE CONVERSATIONS MR. KING HAS HAD WITH PEOPLE.

NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

HEY, WE CAN'T DO THAT WHILE YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT BRINGING THESE THINGS.

SO HE MIGHT ALREADY HAVE A BASIC IDEA OF WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR, BUT AGAIN, TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATION POINTS EARLIER, THIS FACILITY, NEWMAN TO OUR RECREATIONAL PORTFOLIO, AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD MORE INFORMATION, BUT WE'VE GOT SOME BASE INFORMATION TO KIND OF HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE WE MIGHT BE HEADED.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, A POSTCARD, I PULLED A POSTCARD

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YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I MEAN, JOSH HAS WELL-INFORMED AND JUST STANDING AROUND TALKING TO PEOPLE, YOU LEARN A LOT, BUT YOU DON'T GET IT ALL.

AND THAT DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE.