Jan 25, 2022 Planning Commission

MY NAME IS AARON SORRELL.

I HAVE A COMPANY CALLED COMMUNITY PLANNING INSIGHTS, UH, HERE IN DAYTON, OHIO.

UH, I'VE BEEN IN THE PLANNING BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS.

UM, GRADUATED OHIO STATE, UH, CUT MY TEETH AT THE CITY OF DAYTON.

UH, AND THEN ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WENT OUT ON MY OWN.

UH, SO, UH, DO STAFF SUPPORT FOR COMMUNITIES LIKE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, ZONING CODES, UM, HOUSING STUDIES, UM, FEDERAL FUNDS MANAGEMENT SORT OF ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

SO WHERE THE PROJECTS GO? I GO SO GREAT.

YEAH, I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE.

WELCOME MR. .

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO SHARE THE AGENDA? THIS IS THE TIME FOR, UH, PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING AND HEARING NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO A SWEARING, A WITNESSES.

I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.

I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.

I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING OF MR. SURREAL.

THAT'S OKAY.

DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET PROVIDED.

OF THEM BY AND LARGE, THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO ORIGINATE FROM THE SOUTH OF THIS SITE IN SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE.

FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS UNDER PENDING BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE APPLICANT OR J K ASSOCIATES INC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 8.755 ACRES AT 50 60 US ROUTE 40 ZONING CASE 2146, MR. YES, GOOD EVENING.

UH, SO THIS IS FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY LOCATED JUST OFF AT THE CORNER OF, UM, NATIONAL ROAD AND CENTER BOULEVARD OR CENTER ROAD.

UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS CASE, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS.

UM, BUT I'LL HIT SOME OF THE SALIENT POINTS IN THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP IN PAST MEETINGS.

SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE JUST WATCHING THE, UH, IT'S, UH, 8.75 ACRE SITE ZONED, UM, PLAN MIXED USE, UH, IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT LAND WITH AN ENTRY FEATURE INTO THE WINDBROOK, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THE, YOUR, THIS BODY SAW THE CASE SEPTEMBER 28TH, UH, TABLED IT ON DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SITE ACCESS AGAIN ON DECEMBER 14TH, UM, FOR, TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHO HAD THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, ISSUE ACCESS ONTO, UM, STATE ROUTE 40.

UH, AND THEN SINCE THEN NO SITE PLAN REVISIONS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

SO WE'RE WORKING OFF THE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN.

SO SINCE THE CASE IN DECEMBER, ODATA NOTIFIED THE CITY THAT HUBER HEIGHTS HAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY TO GRANT ACCESS ONTO, UH, 40.

UH, AND SO IT WAS REALLY UP TO THE CITY, UH, AS TO WHETHER, UM, CURB CUTS WILL BE APPROVED ON THE CITY'S PORTION, UH, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS ON STATE, ROUTE 40.

SO OUR, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE SITE.

AND SO I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON LARGELY THE ACCESS ISSUES AND THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SUCH.

UM, WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 20 VEHICLES A DAY WOULD COME TO THE SELF-SERVE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY LIKE THIS, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER HAS ESTIMATED 13.

WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER, BUT NOT MUCH MORE.

UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, ADDITIONAL VEHICLES DURING THE LEASE-UP PERIOD, PROBABLY MORE LIKELY ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UH, FACILITIES LIKE THIS DON'T GENERATE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.

UM, WE BELIEVE THAT ACCESS OFF OF CENTER STREET IS SAFER FOR THE CUSTOMERS.

THE SPEED LIMITS ARE MUCH REDUCED COMPARED TO 55 MILES AN HOUR ON, UH, ROUTE 40.

UM, AND LARGELY THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ACCESS POINTS OFF, UH, BETWEEN ROUTE OR SARAH 40 AND CENTER REALLY DON'T MATTER THAT MUCH.

THE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC ON CENTER STREET IS THE SAME, REGARDLESS IF THE ACCESS POINTS OFF CENTER, UH, OR STAY OUT 40.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF TWO REASONS.

ONE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSEHOLD DENSITY, UH, ALL

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AND THE WAY THE ROAD NETWORK IS DESIGNED, UM, MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO PROBABLY FUNNEL TO CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, AND THEN UP CENTER, THERE WILL BE A FEW THAT MAYBE GO AROUND AND HIT 40, BUT THE WAY THE ROAD NETWORK IS DESIGNED, IT JUST NATURALLY FUNNELS PEOPLE THAT WAY.

UM, SO ON THIS GRAPHIC, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SITE IS ON THE X.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSEHOLD DENSITY, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER SOUTH THIS SITE THAN REALLY ANYWHERE NORTH OR EAST OR WEST.

UH, SO JUST THE NATURAL INCLINATION OF PEOPLE, UH, IS THEY WILL TRAVEL NORTHERLY AND LIKELY GET ONTO CARRIAGE, UH, TRAILS PARKWAY, AND THEN NORTH ON CENTER.

UH, SO THE MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC WILL FLOW THIS WAY, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE, THE SITE DRIVEWAY IS.

UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE THIS, THE SITE PLAN HASN'T CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, UH, BETWEEN THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND THEN THE FUTURE RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH, UH, MEET CITY CODE.

UH, ONE ITEM TO NOTE IS THAT CURRENTLY, UH, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR, THERE IS AN ENTRY FEATURE INTO THE, UH, I'M SORRY, IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR HERE.

UM, THE, THERE IS AN ENTRY FEATURE INTO THE WINDBROOK SUBDIVISION.

UH, THE, AS DESIGNED RIGHT NOW THAT ENTRY FEATURE GOES AWAY, BUT THIS BECOMES THE GATEWAY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO SOME OF THE PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS THAT, UM, THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

SO THE ORIGINAL PUD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2005 HAD THIS COMMERCIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UH, SET AT 2.7, SEVEN ACRES AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UH, LIKELY WHEN THE WATER TOWER WAS BUILT, THIS LOT WAS ENLARGED TO A OH EIGHT AND THREE QUARTERS, UH, ACRES.

THERE ARE AGAIN, FEW NATURAL FEATURES ON THIS SITE, BUT THE PROMINENT FEATURE IS THAT ENTRY, UH, SIGN.

UH, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROPOSAL HAS NO, UH, SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS, UM, EITHER ON 40 OR ALONG, UH, CENTER STREET CON UH, TO THAT CONNECTION, THERE IS, UM, A SIDEWALK ON THE LAND OWNED BY THE HOA DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, RECOMMENDS THAT THOSE SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS BE EXTENDED.

SO AT A MINIMUM, WE RECOMMEND EXTENDING THAT SIDEWALK NORTHWARD TO, UH, ROUTE, UH, TO STARE OUT 40.

SO AGAIN, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE RESIDENTS ALONG CENTER ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THE TRAFFIC, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE DRIVE IS.

UM, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DEEMS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, WE RECOMMEND THESE, UH, THREE CONDITIONS, ONE EXTEND THE SIDEWALK ALONG SENATE TO THE INTERSECTION OF STATE, ROUTE 40, UH, AND THEN TERMINATE WITH AN ADA APPROVED, UM, CURB, UH, PER THE CITY ENGINEER.

UM, ALL SIGNS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED TO THE CITY CODE AND ALL PARKING STALLS SHOULD BE DIMENSIONED TO THE CITY CODE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE FENCE ON THE DRAWING ON THE FENCE, AROUND THE PROPERTY SLIDE? BEFORE THAT I THOUGHT I'D READ THIS PERIMETER FENCE DRAWING LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BUILDINGS CAN CONFIRM FULL PERIMETER FENCE, NOT JUST IN BETWEEN THE METAL BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT BACKSIDE HERE.

SO THERE ARE TWO FENCE TYPES.

UM, THERE IS A SOLID PANEL FENCE THAT GOES FROM ROUGHLY THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, UM, WESTWARD TO PROVIDE FULL SCREENING TO THESE, UH, HOUSES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH.

UH, THERE IS THEN A, IT SAYS ROD IRON FO ROD IRON IS PROBABLY ALUMINUM.

UM, PERIMETER FENCE THAT GOES BASICALLY FOLLOWS.

UM, THIS LINE, IT DOES, THE FULL SITE IS, IS FENCED IN, BUT THERE ARE TWO FENCE TYPES.

ANY OTHER GO AHEAD? AND SOME DRIVERS, YOU GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SORT OF QUESTION.

UM, SO IN THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL OF THE 11, 11 71 0 6 REZONING OF THE LAND OF THE PUD DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT SHELL, NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC PEACE HEALTH OR RURAL SAFETY OR WELFARE.

SO I THINK SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE, HAVE INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSE TO A PLAYGROUND WHERE WE'RE BUILDING IN THE END.

THEY DO HAVE CHILDREN

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THAT PLAY THERE.

UM, I DID VISIT THE SITE.

UM, I, I, WE MEASURED FROM, UM, I MEASURED FROM THEIR BACKYARD, THEIR FENCE LINE TO THE PROPOSED SITE.

IT WAS VERY SMALL.

UM, WE COULD STAND.

SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR STANDARD FOR APPROVAL? HOW IS THAT GOING TO HELP, HELP OUR RESIDENTS NOT HEAR ALL THE NOISE AND NOT AFFECT THEIR, UH, PUBLIC PIECE? SO I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND SAY, THERE WON'T BE NOISE.

UM, THERE WILL BE THE ROLL UP DOORS, THE BACKING OF VEHICLES, THE UNLOADING AND LOADING, UM, THE DEVELOPER, THE, THE ONE SORT OF MITIGATING FACTOR, UM, ASIDE FROM THE LANDSCAPING IS THAT THESE THREE BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE DOORS FACING THE, THE RESIDENCE THAT IS A SOLID METAL WALL ON THE SOUTH.

AND SO THERE WILL BE LESS NOISE, UM, BUT AS THEN IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO THE BACK.

BUT, UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS PROBABLY BETTER EQUIPPED TO TALK ABOUT THAT THAN ME.

IT'S FARGO, HAVE THEY ADDRESSED THE LIGHTING OF THAT PARCEL AT ALL? SO THE LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE APPLICATION, UH, SHOWS A FULL CUTOFF, UH, LENSES.

UH, THE WALL PACKS THAT ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ARE FULL CUTOFF, UH, AND THE PHOTOMETRIC PLANS SHOW NO LIGHT ESCAPE, UM, FROM THE SITE.

UM, IF, WHEN THIS IS CONSTRUCTED, UH, IF THERE WERE TO BE LIGHT TRESPASS FROM THE, THE WALL PACKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH, UM, THERE WOULD BE AN EASY FIX TO JUST TO PUT A SMALL SHIELD, UH, FURTHER DOWN, BUT THE W THE, THE, THE LIGHTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, SHOULD, UH, SHOULD HAVE VERY MINIMAL IF ANY LIGHT TRESPASS OFF SITE.

I WAS PARTICULARLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

UM, 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING THIS, UH, AND JUST HUMAN NATURE OF HOW PEOPLE GO TO THE SHORTEST ROUTE THERE.

THANK YOU, MR. JEFFRIES, WHERE'S THE, THEY DON'T SHOW A DUMPSTER ON THE PLANS AT ALL.

THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN SEPTEMBER, EXCUSE ME.

AND THEN 1179, IT SAYS, SHALL HAVE SIDEWALKS AND MICHELLE HAVE DUMPSTERS.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE EMERGENCY ACCESS? WHERE IS THAT? UH, IT IS SIRE CALL.

IT'S ABOUT RIGHT HERE.

UH, IT'S OFF OF 40, MAYBE A NEW LANE OVER 40.

IT WOULDN'T BE A NEW LANE.

IT'D PROBABLY BE A DRIVE APRON WITH A LOCK THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD ACCESS ONLY.

AND WHAT DO WE NEED AN APPROACH DROP IN AND DROP OUT OR FIRE AND BE ABLE TO GET IN INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TURN BEING HUNG OUT, BLOCKING THE ROAD WHILE YEAH.

IF THE, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THINKS THIS IS THE RIGHT USE, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANY, UH, APRON OR APPROACH WOULD BE APPROVED BY BOTH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE, AND THE CITY ENGINEER, UH, IT IS, IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT IN PHASES.

SO THE FIRST THIRD ARE THESE SIX BUILDINGS, AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SECOND PHASE OR THESE TWO, AND THEN THE REMAINDER AND THE THIRD.

SO THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT.

LET ME ADDRESS THAT.

IF IT'S IN PHASE THREE, THAT WOULD, WELL, NOTHING WOULD GET APPROVED WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

SO THAT WOULD, YEAH, IT'S BEING BUILT IN THREE PHASES AND EMERGENCY ACCESS IS IN PHASE THREE PHASE THREE OF BILLS.

SO COST ROUTE 40 DOES HAVE DIFFERENT SPEED LIMIT.

THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, WE KNEW WHEN WE RECOMMENDED ROUTE 40 ACCESS THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL LANE WORK DROP IN, DROP OUT FOR SAFETY, WHICH WE REQUIRED IN THE RESIDENCE AREAS AS WELL.

I DON'T DISAGREE.

I THINK THE APPLICANT, THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHAT THE PHASING TIMELINE IS.

THE, UH, THE PLANS JUST, UH, REFERENCE PHASE ONE, TWO AND THREE.

SO TERRY QUESTION, MS. THOMAS SEVEN, ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, YOU MENTIONED TRAFFIC, UM, YOU MENTIONED 20 CARS PER DAY.

UM, WHAT ARE THE HOURS FOR THOSE 20 CARS? BECAUSE THIS IS A 24 HOUR SERVICE.

WE'RE GOING TO HEAR NOISE.

SO UP AND DOWN AT THE DOORS APPROACHING THREE OR FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO GET YOUR FISHING BOAT OUT, OR TO GET WHATEVER OUT OF STORAGE.

AND THEN HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THE TRAFFIC FLOW? REALLY, EVERYBODY BEING FLOWN OR, UH, FLOWING THROUGH CARRIAGE TRAILS THERE VERSUS COMING OFF OF 40 TO SENNA,

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SO, UH, THERE ARE LESS OBSTACLES, STOP SIGNS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, ET CETERA, HEADING THAT DIRECTION.

UH, AND JUST THE NATURAL GRAVITATION OF HOW TRAFFIC FLOWS.

THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE WILL GO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, WHAT TYPE OF CONTROL, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AS FAR AS WHAT PEOPLE STORE THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY AREN'T STORING EXPLOSIVES OR, OR, UM, CAUSTIC TYPE PRODUCTS OR THAT MIGHT BE HARMFUL TO THEM? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WAS IN DETAILED AT ALL IN THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL.

AND YOU REFERRED TO THIS AS THE GATEWAY TO, UM, CARRIAGE TRAILS THERE.

UM, HOW IS THIS A APPEALING GATEWAY TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS? SO I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU, MR. JEFFRIES, JUST TO CONFIRM ALSO NO OUTDOOR STORAGE IS IN THIS, CORRECT.

THE AREA THAT IS UNDEVELOPED IS WATER DETENTION OVER IN THIS AREA.

AND THEN RIGHT OVER HERE IS THE WATER TOWER.

SO THERE'S REALLY, THERE IS NO NONE, THERE WAS NONE IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE AND NONE PROPOSED IT.

I'M AWARE OF ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IN 1179 MENTIONED IS A UNIQUE, YES, SIMILAR.

I HAVE A CONCERN LOOKING BACK AT, I LIVE IN CARERS TRIALS.

THERE'S NO METAL BUILDINGS ALLOWED, NO METAL SHEDS AROUND THOSE SIX FOOTPRINTS AS ALLOWED.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT IN THIS PROPERTY.

SO THAT IS, UH, THAT IS CERTAINLY A, UM, CONSIDERATION.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SHOULD WEIGH, UH, THE, UM, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING STANDARDS DON'T APPLY TECHNICALLY IN THIS DISTRICT.

UM, SO IF, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, THAT SHOULD BE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE APPLICANT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I BROUGHT MY WIFE.

I BROUGHT THE WRONG GLASSES.

THERE WE GO.

WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

YES, YES, SIR.

CONAWAY I'M WITH THE CURRENT LANDOWNER, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US.

AND, UM, I WAS JUST MENTIONED THAT ABOUT A DUMPSTER AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CONCERN WAS NOT THAT THE FACILITY ITSELF WOULD NEED TO HAVE USE FOR TRASH OUTSIDE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THERE THAT THEY NEEDED A PLACE TO DUMP THEIR UNUSABLE THINGS OR UNWANTED THINGS AS FLOOD HAS HAPPENED IN OTHER, UH, WAREHOUSE PLACES.

COULD YOU ADDRESS IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ART OR WHAT THEIR THINKING IS ABOUT NO DUMPSTER.

IT'S A BUSINESS MODEL TO, UH, FORCE PEOPLE TO REMOVE THEIR TRASH WITH THEM AND NOT LEAVE IT ON SITE.

YOU PUT A DUMPSTER THERE, EVERYBODY USES IT FOR EVERYTHING, AND THEY DON'T JUST USE IT WHEN THEY MOVE OUT.

SO IT'S A PROVEN BUSINESS MODEL OF THE APPLICANT TO NOT SUPPLY A DUMPSTER FOR PEOPLE TO USE AND TO REQUIRE THEM TO REMOVE ALL THEIR TRASH WHEN THEY MOVE OUT.

AND WOULD THEY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO LEAVING THE SIGN THAT IS ON ROUTE 40, IF WE DO NOT CHANGE THE ENTRANCE AROUND 40.

SO FROM, FROM CARRIAGE TRAILS PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD A NEW SIGN DESIGN FOR THAT AREA, BUT WE DIDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER ON IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW THIS SITE WAS GOING TO LAY OUT.

THAT'S USABLE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

AND IT DOESN'T REALLY FACILITATE A SIGN.

OUR PLAN WAS TO COME SOUTH OF THIS AND PUT A SIGN IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.

WE'LL DO THAT.

UH, WE'LL PUT A SIGN IN, BUT NOT ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY, NOT ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.

CAUSE THERE'LL BE PURCHASING THIS FOR DEVELOP AND IT WOULD BE ON CARRIAGE TRAILS.

IT'LL HAVE TO BE ON CARRIAGE TRAILS.

PROPERTY.

HOW DO THEY CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE STORE THE OWNER IS ON VACATION IS A 24 HOUR ACCESS.

QUESTION ABOUT WHAT LIMITS STORAGE OR

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I'M SURE THEY HAVE, UH, RULES WRITTEN IN CALVIN CAN SPEAK, BUT I'M SURE THEY HAVE RULES WRITTEN IN WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO STORE, BUT THERE'S NOBODY BECAUSE THERE'S 24 HOUR ACCESS.

NOBODY'S THERE WATCHING WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR FACILITY.

YOU RAN IT, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE TO COMPLY TO ALL THE THINGS YOU AGREE TO IN YOUR LEASE, BUT THEY DON'T POLICE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO.

MR. JEFFERY'S JUST CLARIFY THEM.

AND HE'S ON THAT.

THE MONUMENT SIGN OR THE ENTRY SIGN ON CARRIAGE TRAILS PROPERTY, I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT THE WINDWARD PROPERTY WAS EXISTING AS YOU APPROACH THAT.

ARE YOU TALKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, IF WE COULD COME TO AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT FOR A SIGN, OF COURSE THE INTENT WOULD BE TO GET IT AS CLOSE AROUND 40 AS WE COULD, BUT IF WE'RE RESTRICTED TO WORK ON OUR PROPERTY, THEN THAT FORCES THE SOUTH FURTHER, THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN EASEMENT.

WE CAN PUT IT NORTH FURTHER.

UM, 'CAUSE I CONSIDER THERE'S ONE BROKEN AND THERE'S CARROTS TRAILS, EXISTING PROPERTY.

THAT'S WIND PROPERTY STILL WHERE THE PLAYGROUND CORRECT.

AND OUR DESIGN THAT WE HAD DESIGNED, WHICH DIDN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN PRELIMINARY DESIGN HAD WINDBROOK ON THE SIGN AS WELL AS CHARACTERIZED PLAYGROUND OTHER SIDE, CORRECT.

HI, JUST TO GET CLARITY.

UM, AND I KNOW THIS SOUNDS SILLY, BUT SINCE YOU DID, YOU HAD THE DESIGN IS SPECIFICALLY NOT TO HAVE A TRASH DUMPSTER OR ANYTHING THERE.

WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR WHEN SOMEBODY MOVES OUT AND LEAVE STUFF, SITTING OUTSIDE THE STORAGE UNIT.

I MEAN, HOW IS WHO'S GOING TO CLEAN THAT UP? AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THOSE STORAGE UNITS ARE EMPTIED AND WELL, IF THESE GUYS HAVE STORAGE UNITS ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'VE GOT A SECURITY DEPOSIT, YOU MOVE OUT AND YOU LEAVE STUFF ALL AROUND AND THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR IT AND CLEAN IT UP, BUT THEY'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS.

SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THE THING, POWERFUL TRASH CAUSE THE NEXT PERSON WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN.

IT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.

WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? HI GUYS.

I FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST HERE.

UM, SO MY NAME'S MONIQUE GALLS HOUSE.

UM, I LIVE IN WINDBROOK.

THERE'S NOT A SIGN IN THING HERE.

UM, BUT I'LL SPELL MY LAST NAME.

IT'S A L L S H O U S E.

UM, FIRST MR. SORRELL, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR DILIGENCE.

THIS WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING CAPTURED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE SEPTEMBER.

SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, THE FIRST THING THAT I HAD NOTED WAS TO ASK THAT YOU GUYS RESPECTFULLY, UM, REVIEW ALL OPPOSITION SINCE THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN EMAILED IN AND WE COULDN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH EVERYONE TO ASK, BUT EVERYONE RESUBMIT FOR TODAY.

UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, UM, WITH REGARD TO MR. SORRELL AND THE, AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.

SO OUR CONCERNS OF COURSE ARE, UM, TWOFOLD, UH, THE SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE TRAFFIC AND HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK.

UM, BUT WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TRAVELING SOUTH NORTH TO THIS FACILITY, WE'VE NOW INTRODUCED TRAFFIC ON SOUTH CENTER, AS WELL AS MEADOWVIEW THAT IT'S ALREADY VERY CONGESTED.

SO ANY OF US THAT DRIVE OUT KNOW THAT PEOPLE PARK THEIR CARS SIDE BY SIDE, SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF WEAVE TO GET THROUGH.

AND SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

UM, THE SECOND THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT THIS PLAN FROM 28 SEPTEMBER DOESN'T ENCOMPASS THE GROUNDBREAKING ON WINDBROOK EAST, WHICH NOW HAS A NEW STREET, SEVERAL LOTS THAT ARE NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THOSE HOMES ALSO BACK UP TO THIS.

AND SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE THEY THEY'VE PURCHASED THEIR HOMES.

SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE QUALIFY ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER UNDER CONTRACT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE TO BUY A BRAND NEW HOUSE THAT'S NOW GOING TO BE POSSIBLY BACKED UP TO A STORAGE FACILITY.

AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE IS JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, UM, TO ASK ABOUT, WE ALREADY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE IN OUR AREA.

AND SO WHAT THE STORM WATER PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

I CAN LOOK AT THESE, THESE MAPS NONSTOP, AND IT WON'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

SO WHAT THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE LOOKS LIKE COMING OFF OF A HARD SURFACE WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES

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SO THANKS SO MUCH.

HI, MY NAME IS HOLLY BATTEN, B A T T O N.

AND I LIVE IN WINDBROOK AS WELL.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS MAINLY.

UM, THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT THE TRAFFIC WOULD FLOW ALL THAT DIRECTION.

SO I'M OUT THERE A LOT.

AND I SEE A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE MY HOUSE SITS ON THE CORNER.

SO I CAN SEE IT'S INDIRECT PRIVY OF MY VISION AND ALREADY IT'S CLOGGED.

THEY'RE LIKE THEIR SCHOOL BUSES STOPPING THERE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A CAR BACKING IT OR A TRUCK BACKING IN THERE, IF THAT ENTRANCE IS OFF OF SENNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

UM, BEYOND THAT, I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I SPOKE AT A PREVIOUS MEETING AND I TOLD YOU THAT I HAVE A HANDICAPPED DAUGHTER.

WHO'S MEDICALLY FRAGILE.

I AM GREATLY CONCERNED THAT IF SOMEONE'S BACKING HIM ON THAT MAIN ROAD, THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS POINT TO GET TO MY HOUSE.

IF THERE'S A FIRE, WE ALREADY HAD TROUBLE WITH A FIRE DOWN THE STREET FROM US WITH HAVING ENOUGH WATER.

NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT MY, THE FIRETRUCKS CAN BE ABLE TO GET TO MY HOUSE IF MY DAUGHTER HAS A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR ANYTHING.

AND IF THEY'RE JUST BACKING UP AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY, IF THAT'S WHEN SCHOOL BUSES ARE DROPPING OFF, THERE'S SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT IT COMING OFF OF CENTER, ADDING A SIDEWALK ALSO DOES NOT MAKE OUR PARK SAFER.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

I APPRECIATE THAT IT NEEDS A SIDEWALK, BUT STILL PUTTING A STORAGE FACILITY.

THERE IS NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS WE HAVE.

AND THIRDLY, IF YOU WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO HAVE YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO A STORAGE FACILITY, THAT'S OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND OUT WHERE IT'S BUSINESS.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE RAN WELL.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I SEE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY RAN WELL.

UM, AND YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TRUST THAT.

THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL OF OUR OPINIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU WEREN'T WILLING TO PUT THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T PUT IT IN OURS.

HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN? YES.

NAME'S DAVID FRANK, LAST NAME IS F R A N K.

I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

NICE TO SEE AGAIN, BY THE WAY, I HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL.

HOPE YOU HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND A MERRY CHRISTMAS.

I'M A SIMPLE MAN, AND I'M NOT THE MOST INTELLIGENT MAN IN THIS ROOM.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.

IN FACT, WHEN IT COMES TO INTELLIGENCE, I'M PROBABLY WAY DOWN HERE ON THE TOTEM POLE.

I'M MORE OF A VISUAL PERSON.

SO LUCKY FOR ME TONIGHT, THE DAYS ARE GETTING LONGER.

SO WHEN I DROVE HERE, I RODE DOWN CARRIAGE HILLS WAY AND EXTRACT ME BECAUSE I'M A VISUAL PERSON THAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BACKYARDS OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO CARRIAGE TRAILS IS JUST ABOUT EQUAL AND DISTANT FROM THE KNICKS BACKYARD, THE U S 40 ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM 2 0 1 TO 2 0 2, THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL LANDMASS.

SO MY QUESTION WAS, WELL, WHY, WHY DON'T THEY ZONE THIS COMMERCIAL? WHY DON'T THEY PUT A STORAGE FACILITY HERE? A BLIND MAN COULD SEE IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE.

IT WOULD NOT ADD TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT WOULD CAUSE DIMINISHMENT.

SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

OUR FATE IS IN YOUR HANDS.

NO PRESSURE.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS HONING CASE? I'M SORRY.

I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE MORE THING.

UM, MY NAME IS HOLLY BATON AGAIN, B A T T O N.

SO WHERE THE LOCATION OF MY HOUSE ON LYNBROOK IS, IS ALSO BUDDING UP TO ALL THESE NEW HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT AND ALREADY THERE'S A MAJOR TRAFFIC JAM LIKE THAT WITH CONSTRUCTION COMING IN AND OUT.

I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN WE HAVE STORAGE FACILITY.

BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE THAT ARE BUILDING THESE HOUSES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THOSE HOUSES.

THEY'RE GORGEOUS.

I JUST WONDER ABOUT THE HONESTY OF THE DEVELOPER.

IF THEY, THESE PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING NEXT TO A STORAGE FACILITY, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A FENCE.

THAT'S ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF FENCE IN THE BACK BECAUSE IN THAT THIRD PHASE WHERE THAT FENCE IS GOING TO BE, IT'S LITERALLY GOING TO BE MY ON THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE.

LIKE I'M GOING TO LOOK OUT MY WINDOW AND I'M GOING TO SEE THAT WITH THAT NASTY WATER TOWER.

SO IF THAT, I MEAN, WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT I WOULD HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. AND NOW I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE KIND OF BEEN GIVEN THE ROLE INTO THE DEAL AND MAYBE THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

DID YOU SIGN IN MA'AM? THERE IS NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

FULLY AWARE AS THEY'RE SELLING THESE HOMES, THERE WAS A PROPOSED STORAGE FACILITY THERE.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE, BY THE WAY, I WILL TRY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.

SO WE HAVE WORKED WITH DR.

HORTON TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT BUY AND CARRIAGE IN SECTION THREE, PHASE TWO, WHICH IS THE SECTION THAT BACKS UP TO THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD.

I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A DISCLOSURE FORM.

I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING ALONG WITH ME, BUT DR.

HORTON'S IS

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UH, THE STORMWATER IS GOING, HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN NOI ISSUED ON IT YET, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE THROUGH THE EPA FOR APPROVAL, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN THE STORMWATER THERE IN WINDBROOK, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FOR YEARS, THE WHOLE STORMWATER SYSTEM WAS ONLY TAKEN 30 HOMES OUT OF THE ENTIRE DESIGN, AND NOW IT'S TAKEN ALL OF THEM.

THE OTHER THING THAT'S CHANGED IS SINCE THAT WAS BUILT, THE EPA HAS CHANGED THEIR STANDARDS AND WE HAVE TO SLOW WATER DOWN MORE YET.

UH, THAT'S RELEASED OUT OF THAT DETENTION AREA.

SO THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SEE THAT FILLING WITH WATER AND SLOWLY DRAINING OUT AND FILLING AGAIN.

UM, I DON'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE SOMEONE'S BACKING INTO THIS FACILITY AND CAUSING A TRAFFIC JAM ON CENTER STREET BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS LOOKED AT THE LANE THERE'S ROOM FOR THEM TO TURN THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED IT.

SO THERE'S FLOW OF TRAFFIC BETWEEN ALL THE BUILDINGS, OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT ARE AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REASON FOR ANYBODY TO HAVE TO BACK.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL INTO THE GATE, PULL INTO THE FACILITY AND NOT CAUSE A TRAFFIC JAM.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE USE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, IT WAS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT HAD THAT ZONING ON IT.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE, TO USE THAT AS IT WAS.

THE THIRD VERSION, I THINK DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? WELL, CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE, MR. JEFFRIES, YOU HAVE A QUESTION TERRIFYING.

SO TO THE CODE AND THE DEF SEVEN, NO MORE THAN 75% IMPERVIOUS AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF NON PAVED AREA ON THE LAW.

WE'LL BE SURE THAT AT LEAST 25%, WHEN I DID MY ROUGH CALCULATIONS IN THAT REQUIREMENTS, WHEN I DID, WHEN I DID MY ROUGH CALCULATIONS, IT MET THAT REQUIREMENT.

UM, WE CAN VERIFY THAT THOUGH, AS SOON AS THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT CAN BE SPREAD AROUND WITH THEM AND ALL THAT.

ANY OTHER CONCERNS, THE ONES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY, I DO SHARE ON, WE WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT AND MEASURED OFF WHERE THAT 52 A MARKER IS MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THAT YOU SAID THERE WILL BE SOME NOISE.

THE GUY THAT, HIS NAME, THE PRISON IT'S IN THOSE UNITS, 50 FEET AWAY FROM THAT BACK PROPERTY LINE.

I DIDN'T HAVE TO TALK VERY LOUD FOR HER TO HEAR EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO WALKING IN AND MEASURING OFF THAT, UM, I THINK, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN PAST MEETINGS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW IS THAT HUBER HEIGHTS DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE OFF OF 40, RATHER THAN SENNA.

HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO STAFF, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO COME FROM THE SOUTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO USE, THEY'RE GOING TO RENT THE STORAGE PLACES AREN'T GOING TO BE COMING FROM AND BEING FROM HUBER HEIGHTS ARE HERITAGE TRAIL.

SO THAT DOES MAKE SENSE TO ME A LOT MORE THAN IT DID WHEN I THOUGHT THE 40 WOULD BE A BETTER, A BETTER ENTRANCE.

UM, I, AT THIS TIME I DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT IT IS.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST TALK ABOUT AND KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

BECAUSE IF THIS ONE, IF THIS IS, IF THIS PASSES, THEN WE WANT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN.

AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE MAY SEE IT FOR SOME OTHER FACILITY WHO KNOWS WHAT IT IS.

BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW AND, AND BE AWARE OF.

I THINK, ANY, ANY INSURANCE OFF ROUTE 40, THE EXPECTATION IS SET.

THERE ARE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE TO MAKE IT SAFE, ENTRY AND SAFE EXIT.

WHEN YOU'RE GETTING THROUGH THE INGRESSING GRASS AND WIDENING THE ROAD, NO MATTER WHAT BUSINESS, WHEN THERE, I THINK PERSONALLY PUTTING AN ENTRANCE ON ROUTE 40 IS MORE THAN LIKELY THAT AN APPLICANT WILL TURN RIGHT OUT ON 40 AND NOT GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ACTUALLY TURNING DIRECTLY INTO THE RESIDENTIAL STREET.

AND PART OF THE CODE TO

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ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT SIDEWALK, THEY EXTENDED TO 40.

ONCE YOU GET TO 40 THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE IS THERE, CORRECT? SO THERE'LL BE A SIDEWALK TO HIGHLIGHT.

IT'S CURRENTLY A SIDEWALK AND IT DIES OFF INTO GRASS WITH NO ADA CAMP, NO BUILDINGS AREN'T ALLOWED ANYWHERE ELSE, ANYWHERE ELSE, TRUCK DRIVER ON THE ROAD.

I BELIEVE THAT A 24 HOUR BUSINESS BACK CLOSE TO RESIDENCES DOES DISRUPT THE PIECE OF THE WARFARE, THIS BUSINESS, 24 HOUR BUSINESS PERIOD RESIDENCE.

WHAT IS IT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU GO THROUGH ANYWHERE ELSE, CARES TRAILS, SENIOR APARTMENTS, CONDOS, WATERSTONE, HARRISON, EVEN TO ASSISTED LIVING.

AND THERE THERE'S A CERTAIN WORKING FEEL ALL THROUGH OUT, AND THIS IS EXTREMELY INDUSTRIAL.

SIMILAR DESIGNS THAT WE ASKED FOR.

I, IN MY OPINION, THAT ALONE CERTAINLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

AND I REALIZED WE HAD THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AND WE HAVE IT ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE THAT.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, I THINK IT DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THERE'S NO GRADING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN THAT.

THAT'S ALL I AGREE ABOUT THE IDEA THAT ENTRANCE OFF OF 40, AT LEAST.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'D BE MORE INCLINED TO GO DOWN 40 AS OPPOSED TO GOING INTO THE RESIDENCE.

UM, I DON'T, I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO USE THE FACILITY WOULD, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE COMING FROM THE HOUSES.

IT'D BE FROM COMMUNITY AROUND.

I THINK FOR THIS BEING THE GATEWAY TO THAT COMMUNITY, UM, TO ME, A STORAGE FACILITY IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL YOUR FRIENDS, UH, YOU COME DOWN 40, TURN ON SENECA AT THE, AT THE WAREHOUSE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T HAVE A, I THINK IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE VALUE OF THE HOMES THERE.

I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T WANT TO BACK UP TO.

I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO ADD, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT BE, I WISH THE HOA OR WHOEVER WOULD BUY IT, PUT IT INTO A, LIKE A WALKING PARK AND, AND HAVE TREES AND KEEP TAKING, TAKE CARE OF IT AND MAKE IT A GATEWAY TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, UH, COULD YOU UTILIZE IT FOR SOME BENCHES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL USE, BUT I THINK THAT'D BE I, YEAH, CAUSE IT IS.

AND IT IS A VERY LARGE PROPERTY TOO, BUT, BUT EVEN BUSINESSES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CATER TO, UM, THAT COMMUNITY WOULD, WOULD BE A GOOD FIT.

SO I THINK THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE A FIT TO THEM.

LIKE WHAT, UH, LIKE, UH, A LITTLE MOM AND POP RESTAURANT, UM, MAYBE SOME, UH, EVEN A SMALL LITTLE CARRY OUT OR SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE SOMETHING, UM, SMALL BUSINESS OF THAT NATURE.

NOW WE CAN DICTATE WE CAN, NO, MR. CONAWAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY AND I WILL REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE HANDLE EVER A LETTER FROM THE CITY

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BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

THIS SPECIFICALLY STATED IT'S APPROVED FOR STORAGE.

SO NOW TONIGHT WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT BETTER USES ARE FOR THIS.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING WAS DONE IN 2003.

WE IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE MADE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS AN ACCEPTABLE USE OF THE SITE.

UH, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, UNDERSTAND.

WE'VE GOT SOME, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ACCESS.

IF HOURS ARE THE HUGE HANGUP, THEY'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT RESTRICTED HOURS, BUT YOU GUYS ARE COMPARING THIS TO CARRIAGE TRAILS, CARRIAGE TRAILS.

WE CREATED OUR OWN PLAN, MIXED USE CRITERIA.

WE ESTABLISHED A CRITERIA FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS.

THIS ISN'T IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.

THIS IS DEFAULTS TO THE CITY STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND IT HAS TO BE MESA BRIEF.

SO THESE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE EITHER ON THE DOORS, THEY'RE EITHER DOORS OR MASONRY.

SO EVERY COLUMN IS CONCRETE.

THEN YOU GOT A DOOR.

THEN YOU HAVE A COLUMN NOW WHERE THAT DOESN'T WHERE THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT.

THAT'S WHERE WE BACK THEM UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT IT FITS YOUR STANDARD FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

WHETHER TONIGHT WE LIKE THE WAY THAT LOOKS OR NOT.

WE'RE, WE'VE MET ALL OF THE CITY CRITERIA.

AND IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE STILL WITHIN THE CRITERIA THAT ARE GIVING YOU HEARTBURN, WE WE'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

UH, IF YOU PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT HOURS OF RESTRICTED, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THIS WOULD FALL UNDER ALL OF THE NOISE ORDINANCES.

SO IF THERE'S NOISE THAT PEOPLE COULD DO, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO IN TOWN AND CALL IT INTO THE POLICE TO COME AND HAVE IT ADDRESSED, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A BUSINESS THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE HOMES.

SO AGAIN, I SAID THIS WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH.

AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF AGAIN, THE NIGHT, THEY IT'S TOTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE APPROVED USE OF THE PROPERTY, MR. JEFFERSON, ON THERE, THE LETTER FROM THE LAST MINUTE.

SO I SHOULD GET A RECORDS REQUEST ABOUT THE LETTER AND THE EMAIL ON APRIL 11TH TO BILL, PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED VERIFICATION LETTER FOR YOUR USE.

PLEASE NOTE THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE IS NOT IN A PREVIOUS AND THERE WILL BE FURTHER ENGINEERING AND FIRE COMMENTS THAT MAY AFFECT THE PLAN.

SO NOT AN APPROVAL.

THE LETTER SAYS IT'S PERMANENT.

IT'S A PERMITTED USE THAT STORAGE UNITS ARE A PERMITTED USE.

DID YOU PULL THE WHOLE EMAIL CHAIN? BECAUSE IT DATES BACK TO LIKE THREE WEEKS EARLIER WHEN WE STARTED, BECAUSE WE HAD SOME EXTERIOR STORAGE ON IT.

THAT'S ABOUT THE STORAGE ON IT ORIGINALLY.

IT WAS WRONG.

IT WAS IN THERE, BUT ALSO ALL THE CODES AND ON 1179, THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOT 1179.

IT SAYS WE SHALL HAVE SIDEWALKS.

WE SHALL HAVE TRASH ENCLOSURES.

THEY SHALL HAVE UNIQUE AND SIMILAR MATERIALS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE.

THAT'S ALL IN THE STUFF THAT NOT TO BUILD BACK IN APRIL.

AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE SEPTEMBER LAST ABOUT RALPH 40 XS AND SEPTEMBER PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT IT.

WE TOOK IT SERIOUS THEN TOTALLY TAKE MONTHS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

WHAT'S THE REQUEST.

NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, NO, I DIDN'T SAY SO.

HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE ROUTE 40 ACCESS THAT, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE? YOU'D RATHER HAVE ROUTE 40 EXITS.

SO THE APPLICANT I WASN'T IN THAT MEETING AFTER IT COMES BACK TO US, WE'RE THE OWNERS WE'RE TRYING TO SELL IT.

THEY GO THERE.

THEY'VE ASKED US ABOUT ROWDY, ROUTE 40 ACCESS.

SO WE PULL OUR STRING OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY PREVIOUSLY THAT HAD THE MAP ON IT THAT SHOWED THE CENTER STREET.

ACTRESS SAID THAT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO THAT FOR THE VERY REASONS THAT YOU'RE QUOTING TONIGHT.

YOU WANT DROP LANES AND TURN LANES AND YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENT WORK ON ROUTE 40, WHICH DOES NOT HAPPEN ON ANY DRIVEWAY.

ALL ALONG ROUTE 40.

NOBODY HAS A DROP LANE.

NOBODY HAS A TURN LANE, INCLUDING THE N THE EXAMPLE YOU USE FOR STAR CONCRETE OR WHATEVER THE GUY IS DOWN AT THE END.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHY GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR ACCESS OFF ROUTE 40? WHEN WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE CITY WITH A MAP ATTACHED TO IT THAT SHOWS SEVENTH STREET ACCESS, IT'S JUST TIME AND MONEY THAT PEOPLE DON'T TO SPEND.

I WAS SAYING THE DROP LANE, I'M ASSUMING WE WOULD NEED A DROP LINE BASED ON THE SIZE OF VEHICLES AND WHATNOT COMING IN AND OUT.

THERE'S A DESIGN IN A REQUIRE THAT WE PASS IN SEPTEMBER FOR SOMETHING TO SHOW US.

IT WASN'T MORE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T AT THE FIRST MEETING.

IT WASN'T A, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO SEE, IS THAT BETTER? SORRY.

I'M NEW AT THIS TECHNOLOGY STUFF.

SO WELL, SO OUR DESIGN

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WAS BASED ON ODAT STANDARDS AND GENERAL TRAFFIC PRACTICES.

SO NOW WE NOW YOU'VE GOT INPUT FROM THE CITY ENGINEER AND FROM THE NEW CITY PLANNER THAT CONCURS WITH OUR ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT, THAT IT MAKES BETTER USE OF TRAFFIC CONSIDERATION TO COME IN OFF CENTER STREET THAN IT DOES TO COME IN OFF ROUTE 40.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, YOU GOT TO SEE WHY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

NOW, WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THAT WE TALKED TO A SECRETARY AT ODOD.

SO WE WENT BACK AND TALKED TO THE DISTRICT DIRECTOR AT ODAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE INFORMATION STRAIGHT.

AND WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING WITH HER ABOUT THIS, THAT'S WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER IT, BECAUSE IT WAS WITHIN THE CITY LEMONS.

I MEAN, IF, IF ROUTE 40 ACCESS IS THE HANGUP AND THE PLANNER AND THE CITY ENGINEER DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO ROUTE 40.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD COST US MORE MONEY THAN THIS SITE'S WORTH.

IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A DROP LANE IN A TURN LANE AND YOU GIVE US A CURB CUT OFF ROUTE 40 WITHOUT MAKING ROUTE 40 IMPROVEMENTS, AND WE'LL REDESIGN IT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, WE DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE USER PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE APPLICANT, FROM THE ENGINEER AND FROM THE PLANNER, NOBODY THINKS THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A DEAL DONE HERE.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL THINKS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY TO DO IT, GIVE US THAT AS CONDITION YOU, YOU WANT TO RESTRICT HOURS, THEY, THEY JUST SAID 10 O'CLOCK.

THEY HAVE AT OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU CAN'T COME IN AFTER 10, IF YOU WANT ACCESS RESTRICTED FOR 10 AT NIGHT, TIL SOMETIME IN THE MORNING, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE OTHER STUFF, I BELIEVE WE ARE COMPLETELY COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT ZONING CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CONDITION ABOUT TONIGHT.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SAY, OR IF YOU NEED TO SEE A TOTAL REDESIGNING.

SO, BUT JUST, JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE WILLING TO TRY TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT THESE ARE ABSOLUTES THAT Y'ALL HAVE TO SEE.

I MEAN, I STILL HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS' BACKYARD TO THEIR BUILDING AND THE FACT THAT IT CAN WITH JUST NORMAL CONVERSATION, YOU CAN HEAR THAT NOISE.

I MEAN, IT'S A VERY CLOSE DISTANCE.

I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S WHAT, UH, MAYBE 50 FEET, MAYBE 60 FEET.

THAT'S YEAH.

AND AM I GOING TO STILL BE HANGING UP AS A RESIDENT? WHERE WAS YOUR CONCERN AT THE STOP? SO WHEN YOU APPROACH THE, THE BACK PROPERTY OF THE RESIDENT TO THEIR FENCE LINE, TO THE, WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS GOING TO START, IT MEASURES 50 FEET.

SO FROM THAT, IT IS IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY A DISTANCE FROM ME TO JAN GIVE OR TAKE AND JUST NORMAL CONVERSATION CAN BE HEARD.

SO NOW YOU HAVE INCREASED NOISE WITH GATES GOING UP, INCREASED ACTIVITY.

HOW IS THAT AFFECTING? HOW HAS THAT GIVING THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR STANDARD APPROVAL WITH THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC PIECE AND THE SAFETY AND THE WELFARE, BECAUSE THERE IS A PARK RIGHT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE KIDS PLAY.

THEY TAKE THEIR DOGS OUT THERE AND THEY RUN THAT.

THEY RUN THEIR DOGS THROUGH THAT PROPERTY.

UM, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY HANGUP IS, IS THE PIECE OF THE, AND I GUESS I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE AND REMIND US THAT THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED.

THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A REZONING, SO WE ARE, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE APPLICANT AND HIS TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW OFTEN THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE, IT CERTAINLY IS GOING TO BE LESS

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THAN A RESTAURANT OR, UH, UH, SOME OTHER, SOMETHING, SOME OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS THAT MIGHT GO IN THERE.

SO I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED.

IT'S A, IT'S A MESS, WHOEVER THE REZONING WAS.

I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT WE STUCK WITH HERE ON PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND, UH, WELL, THEY'RE NOT REALLY TIED.

WE DO HAVE, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE, OR WE CAN DENY IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR IT, FOR IT TO BE PRETTY MUCH ACCEPTABLE AS FAR AS THAT'S THE ONE ON THE DIOCESE HERE AND THEN MOVE ON WITH THE PROJECT VERSUS A DENIAL.

THE SUBJECTS THAT I'VE GOT, THAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU, PEOPLE FROM THE REST OF YOU UP HERE, UH, IS THE ROUTE 40 ACCESS.

AND THE YOU'RE SAYING 40 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE 50, I'M SORRY TO THE BUILDING AND ALL THOSE, UH, UNITS THAT BUTT UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THERE'S NO DOORS ON THOSE ON THAT SIDE, RIGHT.

IT'S JUST A BIG WOODEN FENCE.

SO AS FAR AS, UH, PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THEIR STORAGE UNITS, THAT WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND, AND HOW, HOW, HOW WIDE ARE THESE BUILDINGS OR DEEP? I CAN'T SEE.

I CAN'T VISUALIZE SO WE'RE A HUNDRED, FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE DONE BY THE APPLICANT TO HELP HIS CASE I'LL SPEAK, BUT SURE.

I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY, THE MORE I'VE READ EVERY TIME, EVERY TIME THIS GETS DELAYED, YOU GO BACK AND READ MORE AND GET MORE.

WE GOT INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BEFORE OF, HEY, FIND A WAY TO GET IT TO THE END, YOU KNOW, FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK WITH THE LEAST IMPACT.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T, I MEAN, I SEE TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE IN THE 1179 AND 1171 BOTH GO ALONG WITH THE EMAIL WE ADD FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

WE'VE SAID SINCE SEPTEMBER, THAT RALPH 40 WAS IMPORTANT TO THE, OF US THAT WERE UP HERE, THE FIRST MEETING, NOT A SIMPLE REQUEST THAT IT WAS A MUST.

I THINK IT WAS PRETTY MUCH HOW WE PUT IT.

THAT WAS BLOWN OFF SINCE THEN.

I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S SO AGREEABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

AND THEN THE FACT THAT THE PROJECT SEEMS TO BE IN DANGER.

I DO BELIEVE IF WE HAVE ACCESS ON CENTER, WE ARE SENDING TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH CENTER THAT IF IT WAS ON ROUTE 40, IT WOULD LEAVE AND GO OUT ROUTE 40 INSTEAD OF THROUGH CARRIAGE TRAILS.

I DO BELIEVE THAT JUST BASED ON DRIVING, MOST OF US TURN RIGHT BY NATURE WHEN WE CAN.

SO I DO BELIEVE ROUTE 40.

IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THAT TRAFFIC FLOW, AS FAR AS MAKING IT SAFE, ENTRY AND EXIT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ON US AS IF IT COSTS EXTRA AND THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT.

ONE OTHER THING THAT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT ONLY IN PHASE THREE, DO THEY HAVE THE FIRE THAT THE FIRE EXIT AND THAT I FEEL IS SHOULDN'T BE ON PHASE ONE, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE IT.

I AGREE.

WHAT'D HE SAY? DID YOU SEE COME TO THE PODIUM, SIR? WHENEVER WE GET TO A POINT OF THE MASS OF UNITS EXCEEDS WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL ALLOW UNDER ONE ACCESS POINT, WE CAN PUT A TEMPORARY ACCESS INTO

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THE SECONDARY POINT.

LIKE WE DON'T CARRIAGE TRAILS INTO SUBDIVISIONS AND SO FORTH THAT WHEN YOU GET TO A CERTAIN POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO WAYS IN, THAT CAN BE PUT IN TEMPORARILY SO THAT IT MEETS THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

DID I HAVE ONE THING THAT I ACTUALLY, AND I APOLOGIZE YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF JASON FOSTER SAID ANYTHING TO YOU, BUT I DID ASK HIM BEFORE HE LEFT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO THAT IN THE EVENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A RETENTION POND.

AND I KNOW YOU SAID IT WAS A DRY POND, BUT A RETENTION POND IN PROXIMITY TO THE PLAYGROUND THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WERE ANY INCREASE IN THE HOA PREMIUMS FOR THEIR INSURANCE, THAT THEY WOULD BE MADE WHOLE, I ASSUME IF IT'S A DRY POND, WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, BUT IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE HOA INSURANCE PREMIUMS BE INCREASED BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOWED TO BE PUT IN.

SO I CAN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW.

I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

THAT THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THIS COME BACK CONCERN.

CAN YOU POINT OUT ON THE MAP, THE LOCATION OF THE PARK? YEAH.

IS THAT ACROSS FROM THAT BUILDING? REALLY? IT'S NOT ON HERE.

NO ART WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

DO WE HAVE TO PUT SO MANY UNITS IN? WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THESE UNITS.

CAN WE CUT BACK ON? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER.

UM, I'M GOING TO HAVE BOTH THE PILE OF BOOTS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESIDENTIALS IN MIND AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE FOR BOTH SIDES.

IF I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT, IT'S GOING TO GO FROM THE ENTRANCE AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

SO I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT.

THAT IT'S GOING TO GO FROM THE ENTRANCE OF CENTER, THE DRIVEWAY COMING OFF, GOING INTO THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO RUN COMPLETELY DOWN TO THE WATER TOWER.

SO, SO THAT'S HUGE.

THAT'S A LOT OF UNITS.

AND I DON'T THINK THE REDUCTION OF UNITS WOULD BE JUST TO REDUCE UNITS, BUT TO BUILD BUFFERING OF SOME KIND, RIGHT.

WE CAN'T JUST REDUCE UNITS JUST TO SAY, WELL, 12 UNITS WORKS 14 DOESN'T, BUT IF IT OPENED IT UP TO DIVIDE AND BUFFERS ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT FOR, BUT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG THAT I WOULD PREFER, THERE'S A, SOME KIND OF A SEPARATION THAT'S CLEAR FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THE ONLY MOUNDING AND STUFF THROUGH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY IS SIX, EIGHT FEET HIGH.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

BUT THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST MEETING AGAIN, BACK IN SEPTEMBER THAT I BROUGHT UP.

SO I DIDN'T LEAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, STATEMENTS.

IS IT A PRIVACY FENCE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE PRIVACY SIDE? YES.

SOUTH SIDE.

J K ASSOCIATES INC REQUESTING APPROVAL, BUT DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PM PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 50 60 US ROUTE 40 ZONING CASE 21 DASH 46 WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.

SIX FOOT, EIGHT FOOT, SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT, SIX STANDARD OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT ARE

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SHOULD WE, SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE QUESTION IN THE EVENT THAT IT WERE TO PASS, WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL CONDITIONS.

HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE IN CASE OF THAT'S AND WE ALL THE POTENTIAL OR YOU HAD WAS WHAT THE 40 ACCESS REDESIGN THEY DISCUSSED FOR THE APRON APPROACH FOR THE FIRE AND LOG ACCESS DESIGN SOMEHOW.

AND I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE COMING INTO AND LEAVING TRAFFIC IS MORE LIKELY TO GO THROUGH ROUTE 40 THAN THROUGH CARRIAGE TRAILS AND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THE ACCIDENT ENTRANCE IS OVER THERE.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS APPROVED, UM, LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, IF WE ARE VOTING ON ANYTHING THAT WE'RE VOTING ON, HOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED, SO THOSE CONDITIONS NEED TO BE AN EMOTION AS PART OF THE MOTION.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE RECOMMENDED HERE.

HOW WAS THAT NEEDED TO BE WORDED? SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE SITE ACCESS BE ON ROUTE 40.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONE CONDITION.

IS THAT THE ACCESS BE MOVED TO 40 MAIN ACCESS? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

IF THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE, IF THAT'S WHAT THE MEMBERS, THE COMMISSION, UH, I'M FLYING WITH A COMING OFF THE SIENNA.

THAT'S WHAT DO YOU GUYS, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU AT MISS OFF AND BIND THEM VOTING.

AND, UH, THE OTHER ONES WAS RESTRICTED HOURS AN ISSUE WITH THE MAJORITY OF YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, I DO THINK, I MEAN, THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT THE GUY THAT HE BACK IN THE BOAT IN AND OUT AT NIGHT, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

I MEAN, THAT BROUGHT UP A CONCERN THERE AGAIN, EITHER FACULTY NEED TO PUT A TIME AND THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT, NOT TO SOUND DISINGENUOUS, BUT THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AT ALL FLEXIBLE ON ANY OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS.

I QUESTIONED WHY WE'RE SO FLEXIBLE NOW HE'S NOT HERE.

WELL, SO IF YOU APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, THE APPLICANT, AND IT GOES THROUGH COUNSEL WAS SAID, CONDITIONS, THE APPLICANT THEN HAS THIS, DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT WOULD NOT.

UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS THE CHOICE OF FOLLOWING THE CONDITIONS, UH, OR COMING BACK AND TRYING TO GET THEM, UM, REVISED OR NOT BUILDING IT ALL.

THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS AGAIN.

SO IF THIS IS APPROVED WITH WHATEVER THE CONDITIONS ARE A THROUGH F UH, THE APPLICANT H AND IT, AND IT'S APPROVED WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, THE APPLICANT HAS REALLY THREE CHOICES, BUILD IT AS APPROVED.

UM, TRY TO COME BACK AND GET RELIEF FROM ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS, BECAUSE THE APP, THE, THE OWNER AND BUILDER IS NOT HERE, UM, OR NOT BUILD IT OFF THE, YEAH.

I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROTECT THAT IN THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IT'S TO GIVE PEACE OF MIND TO THE HOA THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT RAISES THEIR COST BECAUSE THEY PAY AN INSURANCE PREMIUM.

I'M PRETTY SURE BECAUSE OF THE PLAYGROUND.

IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER FENCE UP AND MORE FENCES PLACES, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE LOOK, BUT IF THAT, IF PUTTING THE FENCE UP DOESN'T MEAN BETTER PROTECTION THAN BUYING INSURANCE THOUGH.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN COUNT ON A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, CAN WE CONDITION IT, THAT WE WILL PROVIDE PROTECTION ON THE POND IF IT PROVES TO BE AN INCREASE TO THEIR LIABILITY INSURANCE? SO WE'LL FENCE IT IN.

SO WE'LL PUT ANOTHER FENCE UP, WE'LL PUT A FENCE AROUND THE POND SO THAT YOU CAN'T GET INTO IT.

WE'D RATHER DO THAT, THEN GET INTO A COST SHARING OF THEIR INSURANCE POLICY.

UM, MY CONCERN IS IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN COST PERIOD, I MEAN,

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MSA, IF THAT, IF THAT DOESN'T INCREASE THE HOA PREMIUM, I'M JUST MAKING SURE ANYTHING THAT WE DO IN THIS CASE THAT INCREASES THAT HOA PREMIUM IS MY THING THAT I THINK WE OWE IT TO THEM TO AT LEAST PROTECT IT.

AND IF, IF PUTTING THE FENCE UP, MITIGATES THAT IN THE TONIGHT, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S THE OWNER'S PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMERCIAL OWNER SAYS THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND, AND THAT MITIGATES THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S CONCERN.

AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE I GOT, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT A DRY POND IS MORE LIABLE THAN A PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL BE AN ISSUE, BUT I'VE ASKED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH STAFF BEFORE AND DIDN'T GET CLARITY ON IT.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS COVERED, BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IT WILL BE AN ISSUE SO WHATEVER CAN DO WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL INCREASE IN COST TO THE HOA AS A RESULT OF THAT STRUCTURE.

SO, SO THE CONDITIONS ARE, AS I UNDERSTAND THEM, ACCESS FROM ROUTE 40 RESTRICTED HOURS, WOULD YOU, THEIR STANDARD RESTRICTIONS ARE 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.

WHAT'S THE NEW NOISE ORDINANCE HOURS FROM BUILDING HOURS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S 11.

JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ROSE, I THOUGHT IT WAS 11.

I THINK IT'S NO, I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION IS WELL NOT WHAT I THOUGHT, CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

PEOPLE ROLLING DOORS UP AND DOWN.

GOTCHA.

I WAS GOING WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THOSE HOURS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THE 6, 10, 6 AM.

6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.

OPEN 10:00 PM TO SIX TANIUM GATES.

WOULDN'T BE ACCESSIBLE.

AND IF ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE OFF OF ROUTE 40, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SIGN BECAUSE THE WINDBROOK SIGN IS THERE AND SHOULD STAY THERE.

WILL THAT MEAN THAT THERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH US NEGOTIATING? THE SIGNED TONIGHT IS IT'S ON PAR.

IT'S ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT ON WIND BROOKS PROPERTY.

SO WHEN THEY BUILT THE SIGN, THEY PUT IT ON OBERS PROPERTY, THEN OVERSOLD PROPERTY TO THE CITY.

AND THEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM THE CITY AND NOW THE SIGNS ON OUR PROPERTY.

SO NO MATTER WHAT THE SIGN IS GOING TO BE, THIS PROJECT OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT SIGNS ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.

IT'S LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE PLANS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO IT UNTIL WE HAD A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS PARCEL.

I THINK WE'LL LET THEM DEAL WITH THEIR SIGN PROGRAM.

I THINK IT'LL BE FINE.

SO THE THIRD CONDITION WOULD BE PARTICIPATION IN THEIR COSTS IF IT'S INCREASED BECAUSE OF THE DRY PONDS TO OUR PROPERTY.

WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOT AN ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK THAT BE AN ISSUE.

ANYTHING ELSE? IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THOSE THREE ITEMS? WELL, WE HAVE FIVE ITEMS ON THE DECISION RECORD.

WE'VE GOT THE SITE.

I, I WAS ASSUMING THE SIDEWALK WAS GOING TO BE A CONDITION, RIGHT.

AS WELL AS WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING THOSE, THESE ARE IN ADDITION TO THE FIVE.

SO I'M A DETAILED GUY.

UM, WHEN YOU SAY PARTICIPATE IN THE POSSIBLE INCREASE, DOES THAT MEAN THE OWNER IS COVERING THE DELTA, THE SPREAD BETWEEN WHAT THEY PAY NOW AND THE DIFFERENCE, OR THERE'S A COST SHARING THAT THE INCREASE IS SPLIT 50 50.

I WOULD, I, I S I WOULD EXPECT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO BE MADE WHOLE SO THEY'LL DELTA FAIR AND OKAY.

I CAN WORK WITH, UH, IN COST INCREASE ONLY DUE TO THIS NOT NORMAL COST INCREASES THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WOULD HAVE ANYWAY.

OKAY, GREAT.

GOT IT.

AND THEN AARON, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE PARKING STALLS WERE NOT SIZE TO YOUR CODE? OR WERE YOU JUST RESTATING THAT YOU SAID ALL PARKING STALLS SHOULD BE DIMENSIONED ACCORDING TO CITY CODE, THEY ALREADY ARE.

SO THE, SO THERE'S FOUR CONDITIONS AND THE FOURTH CONDITION BEING, EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK.

RESTRICT THE HOURS FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND THEN CONDITION EIGHT, IS THAT THE OWNER SHALL, UM, MAKE THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION HOLE IN THE EVENT THAT THEIR INSURANCE PREMIUM INCREASES DUE TO THE DETENTION POND.

ALRIGHT, MR. , COULD YOU PLEASE READ FOR US THE DECISION RECORD? WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED? OKAY.

SO ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE, UM, OKAY.

WITH THE FIRST FIVE CONDITIONS IN THE DECISION RECORD, UM, CONDITION SIX WOULD BE TO MOVE PRIMARY ACCESS TO ROUTE 40 STAY ROUTE 40 CONDITION SEVEN IS TO

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I THINK I GOT THAT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT ARE J K ASSOCIATES INC.

REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PM PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 50 60 US ROUTE 40 ZONING CASE 21 DASH 46.

AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MS. THOMAS.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS OP SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? THIS IS THOMAS.

NO, YES, YES.

MR. JEFFRIES.

NOPE.

NO MOTION IS DENIED THREE TO TWO.

UM, THOSE IN DENIAL, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR REASONING THAT YOU VOTED NOW? UH, UM, I WOULD SAY UNDER 1179 FROM JERRY DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE TRUCK TRAFFIC THROUGH RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THE UNIQUE YET SIMILAR MATERIALS THROUGHOUT.

AND OBVIOUSLY I DO BELIEVE IT'S DISRUPTING THE PEACE AND WELFARE OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE, AND THAT IS MY REASON THAT THE DISRUPTION OF THE FUSEL WELFARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT, IT'S SIMILAR TO HERS, BUT ALSO TO, UM, SHE AFFECTS THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE EFFECTS THE, UH, AROUND, OKAY.

WE'LL MOVE ON.

NEXT ITEM.

UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A LOT SPLIT.

THE APPLICANT.

THOMAS E DUSA IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REPLAT OF 6.501 ACRES AT 76 21 PROGRESS COURT INTO TWO LOTS OF 3.0861 ACRES AND 3.4, 1 42 ACRES ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO TWO.

SHARELLE.

THESE ARE PRETTY, THE NEXT TWO CASES ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO, UM, THIS IS A RECORD PLAN THAT IS, UM, SPLITTING A SIX AND A HALF ACRE PARCEL, UH, AT 76 21 PROGRESS COURT INTO TWO, UM, TWO PARCELS, ONE TO SELL AND ONE TO HOLD.

NOW THE SITE IS SIX AND A HALF ACRES ZONED .

THE ADJACENT LAND IS ALSO, I WON THE CURRENT USES, UH, AGRICULTURE AND INDUSTRIAL.

SO THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION.

UH, IT IS, UM, IT'S THE WINCO SITE JUST UP, UH, PROGRESS, UH, COURT, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE SIZE.

SO WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO IS SPLIT, UH, THEIR CURRENT LOT INTO TWO, UH, LOT NUMBER ONE WOULD BE A 3.0 ALMOST 3.1 ACRES.

LOT TWO WOULD BE A 3.4 ACRES.

A LOT, ONE WILL BE RETAINED BY THE OWNER, MEETS ALL OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE, WITH THE SUBDIVISION.

LOT, TWO WILL BE SOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT AS DESIGNED.

IT ALSO MEETS ALL OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, APPROVES OF THIS RECORD PLAN, THE CITY ENGINEER, APPROVES OF IT AS WELL.

UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.

APPLICANT? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.

WE SHOULD OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

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IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THOMAS DUSA FOR APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT OF 6.501 ACRES AND SEVEN OH AT 76 21 PROGRESS COURT INTO TWO LOTS OF 3.0 8 61 ACRES AND 3.42142 ACRES ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO TWO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JANUARY 10TH, 2022.

AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVED BY MS. THOMAS SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. SURREAL.

YEAH, CORRECT.

UH, SO AFTER THIS, UH, HE WILL GET THE SIGN OFF FROM THE COUNTY ENGINEER ON THE RECORD PLAN, MAKING SURE IT MEETS THE COUNTY STANDARDS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A LOT SPLIT THE APPLICANT.

SCOTT ALLEN BEALE JR.

IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSOLIDATE AN EXISTING 1.8 72 ACRE LOT WITH A 0.4322 ACRE TRACK TO THE REAR TO CREATE A CONSOLIDATED 2.2932 ACRE LOT AT 68 90 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO THREE.

MR. SURREAL.

SO YOU CAN SUCK MY THUNDER.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

UH, SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A I'LL CALL IT A SA A REAR YARD EXPANSION.

UH, THE APPLICANT OWNS, UH, THIS SITE, UH, RIGHT HERE.

UH, IT'S 1.8 ACRES.

UH, HE OR SHE, THEY, UH, ARE, UH, BUYING THIS PIECE, UH, UH, THIS TRACK THAT IS, UH, THAT THEY'RE PURCHASING, UH, WHICH IS THAT TO COMBINE IT INTO ONE, TWO POINT ALMOST 2.3 ACRE SITE, UH, IT'S CURRENTLY, UH, ZONED PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.

UH, IT IS SURROUNDED BY PLANNED RESIDENTIAL AND , UM, THE LOT LARGELY IS UNDEVELOPABLE.

UM, THEY COULD POSSIBLY BUILD A RESIDENTIAL UNIT HERE OR MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE VERY REAR, BUT THERE IS A VERY LARGE STORM WATER EASEMENT, UH, THAT CUTS THROUGH THE BACK OF THE LOT.

SO I THINK THIS IS THE ADVOCATE TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT'S FOR, BUT I MEAN, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S SIMPLY A, A YARD EXTENSION.

UM, THAT'S THE FINAL, UH, RECORD PLAN FIRE DEPARTMENT, APPROVED CITY ENGINEER APPROVES AND MEETS ALL THE ZONING CODE ON SUBDIVISION CODE REQUIREMENTS.

AND, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I HAVE ONE.

UM, I NOTICED BEEN IN ALL OF THIS THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS JUST RIGHT ADJACENT TO THIS, UM, THERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER THAT THERE THAT IS, HAS THE SAME OWNER AS ALL THIS.

SO THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE ONE.

SO THIS IS THEY'RE SWIMMING PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

THEY OWN THIS TRACT HERE, THIS PARCEL, THEY WILL BE EXPANDING THAT PARCEL INTO ONE LARGER PARCEL.

ALSO MOVING BY MS. FARGO.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE SUBDIVISION.

UH, ADDING THE HOUSE TO THIS PARCEL OF THE HOUSE IS STILL SEPARATE, BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STEPH? THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THOMAS SCOTT BIEL JR.

FOR APPROVAL TO CONSOLIDATE AN EXISTING 1.872 ACRE LOT WITH A 0.4 3, 2, 2 ACRE, LOT TO THE REAR TO CREATE A CONSOLIDATED 2.2932 ACRE LOT AT 68 90 CHAMBERSBURG ROADS ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO THREE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JANUARY 25TH, 2022.

AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE

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SECOND BY MOSOP SECRETARY.

DO YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. THOMAS? YES.

MR. JEFFRIES.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

AND WHAT WOULD BE NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO THE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ENGINEER WILL AGAIN SUBMIT THE RECORD PLAN TO THE COUNTY, UH, MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL OF THEIR STANDARDS AND THEN, UH, HAVE A RECORDING WE'LL SIGN OFF ON IT, BUT IT'LL THEN GET RECORDED.

UM, FACILITIES WOULD BE CONTRACTED THROUGH A WASTE DISPOSAL, UH, SERVICE, UH, IN THE, UH, MINUTES.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A SPECIAL USE.

THE APPLICANT, DARREN SCHMIDT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL SPECIAL USE OF AN AGRICULTURAL CODE TO ALLOW AN AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL FACILITY, EXCUSE ME FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 58 60, UH, BEL FONTAINE ROAD ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO ONE, MR. CRL, THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE AS QUICK SO THIS IS AGAIN, IS A CASE THAT YOU HAVE, UM, MOSTLY HEARD ONCE BEFORE.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A, A SPECIALIST APPROVAL FOR AN AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL FACILITY.

THE SITE IS, UH, JUST UNDER, WELL, JUST OVER 19 ACRES.

IT'S ZONED AGRICULTURAL CURRENT USES AGRICULTURAL AND VACANT LAND.

UM, THE ADJACENT LANDS ARE ALL, UH, ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

THERE'S A MIX OF AGRICULTURAL USES AS LONG AS WELL AS LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL.

SO THE APPLICANT INITIALLY APPLIED FOR A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS HEARD OCTOBER 26TH, 2021.

UM, THE COMMISSION TABLED THE CASE SINCE THEN THE APPLICANT, UH, WITHDREW THAT BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND NOW HAS APPLIED FOR A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION UNDER THE, UH, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

SO THIS IS THE SITE IN QUESTION 19 ACRES, JUST SOUTH OF, UH, WELL REALLY AT THE INTERSECTION, BUT THE JUNCTION OF BELL FOUNTAIN AND, UM, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG.

BELL FOUNTAIN VARIES FROM, UH, 60 FEET IN THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE, UP TO ABOUT 120 FEET, UH, NEAR THE NEAR, AND THEN WHERE THE BRIDGE IS.

THERE'S A TREELINE PERIMETER AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE THAT ACTS AS A NATURAL BUFFER, A DRY LICK RUN CREEK IS TO THE SOUTH HERE, THAT BISECTS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.

UM, THERE IS NO PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER FACILITIES OR UTILITIES, UH, TO THAT SITE.

HOWEVER, THERE IS PLANNED A WATER MAIN EXTENSION OF BELL FOUNTAIN FOR, UH, LATE 2022.

UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

WELL, THREE QUARTERS OF THE SITE PLAN.

IT GOT CUT OFF, UM, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED SUPERIMPOSED OVER THE AERIAL.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE APPLICANTS, UH, PROPOSED LAYOUT.

UM, THERE IS, UH, AN OPEN AREA HERE ACCESS, UM, WHILE NOT TO SCALE, BUT PRESUMABLY IT'S THROUGH THIS ACCESS DRIVE, UH, IN AN OPEN AREA HERE, THERE'S A GRAVEL PARKING PROPOSED TO THE NORTH, UH, ADJACENT REALLY TO, UM, 70 OVER HERE ARE TWO, UH, PAINT BALL FIELDS.

UM, ONE LARGER ONE SAW SMALLER AND THEN THE LARGE AREA WOULD BE DEDICATED TO, UH, TO AIRSOFT, UM, ACTIVITIES.

UH, THERE IS A, UH, TEMPORARY BUILDING WHICH NAPA CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, UH, WOULD SERVE AS SORT OF THE, THE SHOP, THE RETAIL, UM, CO2 REFILLS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE OF BUYING THE, THE AMMO, ET CETERA.

UM, THE PROPOSED ACTIVITIES, IT, THERE, THERE, LIKE I SAID, ONE AIRSOFT FIELD TO PAINTBALL FIELDS, GRAVEL LOT, AND A BUILDING.

THERE'S NO INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON, UH, THE SIZE HEIGHT OR MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING.

UM, APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT SANITATION FACILITIES WOULD BE AVAILABLE.

SO WATER WOULD BE THROUGH A PRIVATE WEALTH, UH, AND THEN THE SANITARY,

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UH, AND THEN IN THE APPLICATION MATERIAL, THE APPLICANT PLANS OPERATE MAINLY ON SATURDAYS IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM NINE TO FIVE.

UH, AND THEN THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER MEETING INDICATED THAT AT PEAK TIMES THERE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 80, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.

AND I BASED THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS OFF OF THAT, UH, THAT PEAK TIMES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, SO FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED ME TO GO THROUGH EVERY SLIDE OR HIT THE HIGH POINTS, HIT THE HIGH POINTS.

UM, SO THE SITE MEETS WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS FOR, UM, THE SPECIAL USE.

UM, THIS IS REALLY A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT, UM, THIS TYPE OF USE MEETS THE SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO HIT THAT LAST, BUT AS FAR AS THE ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS, UM, THE AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES.

UH, AND SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE THINK BECAUSE AGRA, UH, RECREATIONAL USES ARE A SPECIAL USE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WE THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE SEEKING A SPECIAL USE, UH, APPLICATION SINCE IT IS A SPECIAL USE.

SO IT'S REALLY THE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION IS, IS PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT AND APPROPRIATE RECREATIONAL USE IN THIS DISTRICT, THE SITE MEETS THE MINIMUM AREA STANDARDS FOR THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

THE BUILDING, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS SET BACK 60 FEET.

IT MEETS THAT YARD REQUIREMENTS.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO HEIGHT, UH, UM, INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED ON PARKING AND LOADING.

UM, THE, THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES A HARD SURFACE, UM, SINCE THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING A TEMPORARY BUILDING, UH, AND A GRAVEL LOT, BOTH MYSELF AND THE ENGINEERING FIELD AT GRAVEL, A GRAVEL LOT IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME.

BUT AT SUCH TIME THAT THE APPLICANT MOVES TO BUILD IF SO, MOVES TO BUILD A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.

THEN I THINK THAT'S, UH, AN ISSUE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD REVISIT.

UM, THERE IS NO SCREENING OF SERVICE, UH, STRUCTURES, UM, INDICATED IN THE PLANS.

UH, SO AGAIN, GIVEN THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THIS BUILDING, WE DON'T THINK THAT THE SERVICE, UH, SCREENING IS NECESSARY.

IT'S ALSO A VERY LARGE SITE.

THERE'S TREMENDOUS DISTANCE BETWEEN, UM, WHERE THAT BUILDING IS PROPOSED AND ANY ADJACENT, UH, HOUSES.

UM, BUT WHEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THERE IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.

WE RECOMMEND REVISITING THAT, UH, THE SCREENING OF ANY MECHANICALS AND SUCH.

INDICATED THEY WILL HAVE ONSITE SANITATION FACILITIES.

SO, UM, YOU HAVE MY STAFF REPORT THAT GOES THROUGH, UM, THE, THE 15 ITEMS, UM, IN THE, THE SPECIAL USE OR SORRY THAT THE 10 CONDITIONS OF SPECIAL USE, UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THEM ON HERE, UM, BECAUSE THIS LOOKED A LOT BIGGER ON MY COMPUTER THAN IT DOES, UH, ON THE SCREEN.

UM, BUT A COUPLE ITEMS OF NOTE.

SO WE DO FEEL THE STAFF FEELS THAT THE AIRSOFT AND, UH, AND PAINTBALL ACTIVITIES ARE RECREATIONAL USE AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A SPECIAL USE, UH, UNDER, UNDER THE CODE, UM, ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THE SPECIAL USE SHALL NOT BE HAZARDOUS OR DISTURBING TO EXISTING OR FUTURE NEIGHBORING, UH, USES.

SO THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, AND SOME OF THE CORRESPONDENTS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL OF THE PAIN BALLS, UM, IN PARTICULAR.

SO WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US, THE SAFETY DATA SHEETS, UM, DO SHOW THAT THOSE, UM, ARE NON-TOXIC.

UM, BUT THERE IS NO REAL COMPOSITION THAT WAS THAT, THAT I SAW, BUT THAT, AGAIN, THAT THE APPLICANT IN WHAT HE IS SUBMITTED, UM, DOES SHOW THAT THE PAINT BALLS AND THE AIRSOFT PROJECTILES ARE NON-TOXIC.

UM, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER PUTTING SOME CONDITIONS ON THE HOUR OF OPERATIONS, ESPECIALLY, UH, IN EVENING OR NIGHT.

UM, THE NEXT KEY ITEM HERE, AND I'LL BRING, I'LL ASK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO STEP UP AS WELL TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

SO THAT CONDITION NUMBER FIVE IS THAT THE SPECIAL USE SHALL BE SERVED ADEQUATELY BY A CENTRAL PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES, POLICE, FIRE PROTECTION DRAINAGE, ET CETERA.

UM, SO THE SITE IS NOT SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.

I MENTIONED THAT A WATER MAIN IS BEING PROPOSED THROUGH 2020 TO LATE 2022.

UM, THE APPLICANTS

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THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OUTLINED ITS CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL.

UM, IN OCTOBER OF 25TH, UH, OCTOBER 25TH, 2021, UH, SINCE THEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ISSUED ANOTHER LETTER TO, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON JANUARY 20TH, OUTLINING, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE.

UH, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO, TO ASK, UH, IF FIRE CHIEF, JEFFREY'S SORRY.

I GOT A BUNCH OF GOOD EVENING.

SO I ISOLATE.

CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD SEEK, UH, IF, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, THAT THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD ALL BE MET.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN THE BACKGROUND OF LETTER AT ALL, BASIC ANSWERS TO SEVERAL QUESTIONS, OR IF YOU JUST WANT US TO THROW SOME QUESTIONS OUT THERE AT YOU, BUT MY LETTER, USUALLY WE JUST DO THE NORMAL PLAN REVIEW AND LOOKING AT THE PLAN REVIEW, BASICALLY, REGINA, YOU KNOW, SHE TAKES EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.

AND SHE BASICALLY SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ESSENTIALLY THE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED NOW, I W I WANT TO SPEAK IN MR. SMITH'S DEFENSE IS, IS THAT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, HE CALLED ME, I THINK FRIDAY AFTERNOON CAME BACK TO THE OFFICE, PULLED THE PLANS OUT AND EVERYTHING, OUR REVIEW THAT WAS DONE IN OCTOBER NEVER GOT INTO HIS HANDS.

SO WHEN WE DID OUR REVIEW, THAT SAID, YOU NEED TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS, THOSE REVIEWS NEVER GOT TO HIM.

SO I WENT AHEAD AND SENT HIM EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD ESSENTIALLY SPELLING OUT.

WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.

YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA HAVE HAD TO BEEF UP GRAVEL DRIVEWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO ALLOW OUR FIRE APPARATUS TO GET IN AND OUT.

SO THAT IS THE ONE THING THE APPLICANT DIDN'T HAVE IS AS AN OCTOBER, HE NEVER GOT OUR NOTES SAYING THIS IS WHAT TO BE DONE, BUT SINCE REGINA DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO OFF OF, I WANTED TO, UH, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT PYROTECHNICS AND THE DEVICES THAT THEY HAVE, I'VE NEVER HELD MY HAND.

UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE LAUNCH BOTTLE ROCKETS IN THEIR BACKYARD, AND, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE, SOME OF THE THINGS ARE ILLEGAL.

SOME THINGS ARE NOT LEGAL.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE ARGUMENT OF WHETHER IT SHOULD BE LEGAL OR NOT, BUT THE DEVICE THAT THEY PROVIDED, WE CONTACTED THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL AND THE STATE FIRE.

MARSHALL SAID THE CLASSIFICATION OF DEVICE IT'S BEEN PROVIDED.

YOU HAVE TO BE A LICENSED EXHIBITOR TO EVEN BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

SO THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO USE SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED FOR, MADE ME REACH OUT TO THE CITY OF DAYTON, REGINA, UH, SUE SONG, OUR FIRE PROVINCIAL MANAGER REACHED OUT TO ANDREW STEELE, THE FIRE MARSHALL FOR THE CITY OF DAYTON.

AND I REACHED OUT TO ASSISTANT CHIEF, ANDREW BRAUN, BASICALLY SAYING, TELL US, WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS OPERATION? WHEN I HAD SAW THE AMOUNT OF CALL ACTIVITY AND THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS, WHICH I ECHOED IN MY, I PUT INTO THE MEMO OF ILLEGAL BURNING, CREATING, SMOKE, CREATING THOSE THINGS.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, IS NOWHERE.

AM I SAYING YAY OR NAY TO THIS PROJECT? MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I, I HAVEN'T MET DARREN.

I THINK THIS IS DARREN UPFRONT HERE.

UH, MY CONVERSATION WITH DARREN IS, IS MY BIGGEST THING THAT I WANT ON RECORD BEING IS, IS THAT THERE ON NORTH ERWIN STREET, IN THE CITY OF DAYTON, NORTH ERWIN STREET AND, AND BELL FOUNTAIN, WHY THEY LOOK VASTLY DIFFERENT? THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS ARE STILL THE SAME.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR PEOPLE FIND WHEN I SEND THEM OUT TO DO THINGS IS AS WE GET ONSITE AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE'RE OUT IN THIS FARMER'S FIELD AND WE CAN, DO YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T WE DO THIS? WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? I WANTED TO GET ON RECORD SAYING THAT SOME OF THESE OPERATIONS OR SOME OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT DAYTON HAS HAD WILL BE VIOLATIONS HERE AS WELL.

SO WHEN THIS OPERATION IS GOING ON NEXT YEAR AND OUR PEOPLE GO OUT AND ALL THE PARTICIPANTS ARE THERE, WE CAN GO BACK ON MY LETTER, THE REVIEW LETTER, EVERY PIECE OF DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAVE AND SAY, WE TOLD YOU THAT THIS IS NOT A LEGAL OPERATION, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

UM, AS FAR AS THE FIRE, UH, THE FIRE HYDRANT SITUATION, WE DO KNOW NOW THAT THERE IS, UH, THERE IS, UM, A WATER MAIN THAT'S SCHEDULED TO GO IN, UH, IT'D BE RIGHT OFF BELL FOUNTAIN.

WE BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A HYDRANT IN THE AREA.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF ASSUMPTIONS, BUT ONE OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS WOULD BE, IF THERE'S NOT A HYDRANT PLACED IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL THAT HYDRANT MODERN-DAY BUSINESSES, WHICH THIS IS A MODERN DAY BUSINESS.

AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF THEY'RE GOING THERE, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND IT WILL BE START OFF AS A SMALL BUILDING AND GO BIGGER.

THAT'S KIND OF HOW OUR REVIEW PROCESS WORKS.

SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW MIGHT BE A BIG BUSINESS, AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.

SO THAT'S WHY OUR REVIEW HAS NOT BEEN TOTALLY APPROVED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE DRAWING.

UH, REGINA HAS CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN.

THERE ARE

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UM, THE PYROTECHNICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE LAW IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.

I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THESE ARE USED IN OTHER FIELDS OR WHATEVER, BUT WHEN WE HAD A FOREIGN DEVICE, THAT'S WHY WE REACHED OUT TO THE EXPERTS OF THE HIGH FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE.

SO MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE, IS, IS THAT WE GET, UH, THE, THE, THE FIRE NOTES WHERE WE KNOW HOW BIG THE DRIVEWAY IS.

WE KNOW WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T GO BACK 200 FEET, 300 FEET AWAY FROM A HYDRANT OR OFF THE ROAD WITHOUT HAVING A HYDRANT NEARBY.

SO THE CRUX OF MY MEMO WAS BASICALLY INFORMATION FOR YOU AND IMPART INFORMATION TO THE APPLICANT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU WANT TO SET A FIRE, YOU WANT TO DO THAT THING.

THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC REASONS THAT YOU CAN DO IT, BUT THEN ALSO IF THEY CALL IT CAUSE ANNOYANCE TO ANYONE, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S A BAD REASON TO HAVE A FIRE.

AND OUR PEOPLE WOULD END UP GOING OUT THERE AND HAVING TO TELL YOU TO EXTINGUISH IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL ENFORCEMENT ACTION WOULD BE WARNINGS AND THEN TICKETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY SYNOPSIS.

SO IN THE LETTER YOU PUT IN THERE THAT, UH, IN THE LAST THREE YEARS OR 13 RESPONSES FOR BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 6:00 AM, HOURS ASIDE, 13 RESPONSES WILL BE ABOUT ONE, A QUARTER.

WOULD YOU SAY HAVING TO RESPOND ONCE A QUARTER TO A FACILITY IS, WELL, THE ONE THING MR. SCHMIDT BROUGHT UP WAS IS THAT THE RESPONSE IS THEY WEREN'T THERE IN 19.

THERE WERE NO, THERE WERE NO RESPONSES IN DAYTON'S RECORDS.

IN 2019, THEY ALL STARTED IN 2020.

SO WHILE IT WAS A THREE-YEAR SEARCH, IT'S ACTUALLY A TWO YEAR LIST OF ACTIVITIES.

SO MORE THAN ONCE, YES, FIRE'S HAVING TO GO OUT PLUS A SIGNING, UH, INCREASED PATROLS AND HAD TO ASSIGN A FIRE INVESTIGATOR.

WHAT THE CITY OF DAYTON DID IS, IS THE FREQUENCY AND THE, THE TYPES OF CALLS THEY ASSIGNED FIRE INVESTIGATORS TO DO ROUTINE PATROLS, UH, LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ROUTINELY GO OUT, LOOKING FOR PEOPLE, HAVING RECREATIONAL FIRES IN THEIR BACKYARD.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT EVERYBODY'S BEING SAFE AND WE, WE RESPOND TO NUISANCES OR, UH, CALLS THAT PEOPLE CALL IN AND DATE AND ASSIGN FIRE INVESTIGATORS TO INCREASE PATROLS, UH, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE 2020 TO 2021.

THE SEARCH WAS FROM 19.

THEY HAVE NO CALLS IN 2019, AND I SENT DARREN THAT LIST.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? I DIDN'T CATCH OUT HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE DID THEY KNOW OFF THE TALLY AT HERE? LET ME FIND MY, YOU HAVE THE D YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENT THAT I HAD 13 RESPONSES, 13 RESPONSES, AND A COUPLE MORE MEDIC CALLS.

AND AS I TOLD MR. SCHMIDT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BUILD RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, WE KNOW THAT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ARE GOING TO CREATE INJURIES.

YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE FIRES, THE NCA, THE ANNOYANCE, OR THE DANGER OF FIRE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE MOST WORRIED ABOUT.

SO WE KNOW THAT ANYBODY THAT BUILDS ANY FACILITY, A FARM FIELD, ANYTHING OUT THERE WITH PEOPLE IN IT COULD GENERATE AN INJURY.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE HURT, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GOING TO TELL YOU TO ALTER YOUR BUSINESS, BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GOING TO GO TRIP IN YOUR FIELD.

GROVE OF SORT OF NATURAL TREE LINES, UH, THAT, THAT ARE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY THAT PROVIDES SCREENING AND BUFFERING TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, STAFF RECOMMENDS A PRESERVATION, UM, OF THAT TREELINE BUFFER.

UM, WELL, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED THOSE TWO.

SO CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT ARE NOT CONDITIONED, BUT, UM, CRITERIA NUMBER EIGHT FOR THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, REQUIREMENT NUMBER EIGHT DEALS WITH, UH, THE APPROACHES AND, AND TRAFFIC.

WE ANTICIPATE LIMITED AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY, UH, BY THIS USE SIMPLY BECAUSE THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED.

UM, WE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND CONSTRUCTING A DRY VAPOR AND IN THE DRIVEWAY, UH, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ACCORDING TO THE CITY OR THE STANDARDS OUTLINED BY THE CITY, UH, AND, OR AN ALTERNATIVE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE, UH, THE CITY ENGINEER.

BUT WE'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WOULD BE DRAGGING GRAVEL, UH, OUT ON THE BELL FOUNTAIN THE ROAD, UM, ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, IS THAT THE SPECIAL USE THAT THE REQUIREMENTS, ESPECIALLY YOU SHALL NOT RESULT IN THE DESTRUCTION LOSS OR DAMAGE OF A NATURAL SCENIC OR HISTORIC FEATURE OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE? SO THE, UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY USED AS AGRICULTURAL.

UM, THERE IS, AS YOU SAW IN THE ARIEL, THERE IS A LARGE

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SO WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS ON THE FRONT YARD, A PRESERVATION SETBACK OF NO LESS THAN 25 FEET.

UM, PART OF THAT IS IF HUBER HEIGHTS WERE TO, UH, CLEAN OUT THE DITCHES OR THE COUNTY, WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MAINTENANCE, UH, AND DO TREE REMOVAL AROUND, UM, UH, THE BRIDGE OVER 70, THAT THERE WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO BE A BUFFER, UM, FROM THAT, FROM THAT AREA, UH, RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS VERY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE FROM THE ROAD.

AND WE KIND OF WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

UM, ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE PRESERVATION DISTANCE OF NO LESS THAN 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, ADDITIONAL BUFFER, WHAT WERE THOSE, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, TO THE SOUTH, UH, AND WITHIN THAT BUFFER LINE, UH, WOULD BE NOT HAVING ANY BUILDINGS OR OBSTACLES OR REALLY ANY, ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE EAST PROPERTY ON THE EAST LINE, A SETBACK OF NO LESS THAN 25 FEET.

AND THEN ON THE NORTH ALONG, UH, , UH, A PRESERVATION STEP BACK OF 15 FEET.

UM, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT DELINEATED ON THE REVISED SITE PLAN ITEM 10.

THE LAST ITEM IS A, AND I WON'T READ IT IN VERBATIM, BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S SPECIAL USE SHALL CONFORM TO ALL ZONING REGULATIONS, UH, AND THAT SHALL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC PEACE HEALTH, MORAL SAFETY OR WELFARE.

SO STAFF THINKS THAT, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL, UH, WITH THE APPROPRIATE OR REASONABLE CONDITIONS, THIS SPECIAL USE CAN CONFORM TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS AND MINIMALLY IMPACT, UM, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO WITH THAT, OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS APPROVAL WITH SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF CONDITIONS.

UM, ONE IS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION AND PLACEMENT OF ANY OF THE BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, AND OBSTACLES CONFORM TO THE HEIGHT AND YARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, UH, THE SITE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO US LACKED ANY OF THAT DETAIL, UM, A TWENTY-FIVE FOOT PARKING LOT SETBACK, UH, BE PROVIDED, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY LINE AND INDICATED ON THAT, IN THAT SITE PLAN, UM, AS FAR AS MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, IT'S MY IT STAFF MIGHT ME, UH, OUR OPINION THAT THEY SHOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON A PARK, UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, PARK AT EXPECTED PEAK CAPACITY.

UM, AND SO THAT THE PARK IS, UH, UH, REQUIRES ONE SPACE FOR EVERY, UM, FIVE USERS, UH, AT PEAK CAPACITY.

SO I THINK THE MINIMUM WOULD BE 13.

THE APPLICANT, AT LEAST THE WAY IT'S DRAWN IS PROVIDING FAR MORE THAN THAT MINIMUM.

UM, WE DON'T BELIEVE ANY LOADING SPACES ARE REQUIRED THAT MAY CHANGE AT SOME POINT, IF THERE IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE BUILT.

AGAIN, WE, WE THINK THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD REVISIT THAT AT THAT TIME, UM, TEMPORARY GRAVEL PARKING AREAS SHOULD BE PERMITTED UNTIL A PERMANENT BUILDING IS PROPOSED.

UM, THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING, ACCORDING TO THE LIGHTING STANDARDS OF OUR COATS.

UH, THERE IS NO LIGHTING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

UM, SO WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A LIGHTING PLAN, UH, AND FOR OUR REVIEW, UM, THE SIXTH CONDITION WOULD BE THE PRESERVATION, UH, THE TREE LINE PRESERVATION THAT I MENTIONED, UH, THE SEVENTH CONDITION DEALS WITH SIGNS SO THAT THE SIGNAGE WOULD CONFORM TO CHAPTER 1189, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL, UH, SIGNED CODES.

UM, SO ALL OF THE PERMITTED SIGNS IN 11 89 0 7, HOWEVER, NO SIGNS WOULD BE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED.

THIS IS A SEMI-RURAL AREA.

WE DON'T WANT THE SITE TO GLOW.

UM, SO ALL OF THE SIGNAGE WOULD, SHOULD BE DOWNCAST, EXTERIOR ILLUMINATED SO THAT IT IS NOT, UM, GLOWING AT NIGHT.

AND, UH, I ALSO THINK THAT BILLBOARD SHOULD BE PROHIBITED, UM, BECAUSE, UM, THERE WILL BE A STRONG INCLINATION TO CLEAR CUT THE, UH, THE TREELINE PRESERVATION ALONG 70, UH, IF THAT IS ALLOWED.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THE APPLICANT SCHUTZ SHOULD SUBMIT ALL REVISE SITE PLANS, ILLUSTRATING THE APPROVED CONDITIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALONG WITH ANY OTHER INFORMATION REQUIRED BY THE CITY.

SO THE ENGINEER, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, SORRY, I, I GET MIXED UP ON WHO I SHOULD ASK THEM TO, AND THEN THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT UNDER

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PROVISION FIVE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE WILL CONTRACT FOR SANITARY WASTE DISPOSAL SERVICES.

DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT PORTA JOHNS? I'M NOT SURE OF THE DETAILS THAT, BUT, UH, IN OUR EMAIL EXCHANGE, HE SAID THEY WOULD BE CONTRACTING FOR, FOR THOSE SERVICES.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IT'S A, ROLL-ON LIKE SEMI-PERMANENT TOILET FACILITIES OR IT'S A SERIES OF PORTA JOHNS, BUT THE POINT WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDED ON SITE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? MY NAME IS BROCK TAYLOR.

UH, LAST NAME IS T A Y L O R.

FIRST NAME WAS BROCK.

SOMETIMES I GO OVER THAT TOO FAST AND PEOPLE CALL ME BRAD, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I'LL ANSWER THAT TOO.

UM, SO FIRST I WANTED TO, UM, KIND OF JUST TALK ABOUT SOME REAL QUICK OPENING THINGS, UM, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STAFF TRANSITION IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND WE'VE KINDA GOT STUCK IN THAT DONUT HOLE, AND I THINK THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO SOME CONFUSION.

UM, AS SHE POINTED OUT, WE DIDN'T GET ALL THE, UH, INFORMATION FROM HIM.

AND THEN WE HAD SENT SOME EXTRA, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, PRIOR TO STAFF LEAVING THAT'S THAT'S LEFT.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT IN YOUR HANDS.

DID YOU, WERE YOU THOSE POWERPOINTS? YEAH.

SO IN THERE, UM, AND THEY'RE KIND OF SMALL, WE ADDED A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION TO TRY AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT UH, G2 IS, IS PROPOSING TO DO.

AND, UM, MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS AND ALL THAT DARREN SPEAK TO THAT ARE VERY AMENABLE TO, UH, UH, TO THE GROUP AND GETTING THAT THROUGH.

SO THE KIND OF THE FIRST THING, UM, DO YOU HAVE THAT PRESENTATION? WE CAN BRING THAT UP, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN LATE NIGHT, BUT I'M HOPING WE CAN MAYBE, UH, GO THROUGH THESE 15 SLIDES REAL QUICK SO THAT, UM, IF IT'S UP TO YOU AND MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE CROWD, UH SURE.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICK, CAUSE I KNOW TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE HERE AND I'M HOPING WE'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AS THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE HAVE.

UM, ALL THE STRUCTURES THAT YOU CAN SEE OUT IN THE AIRSOFT FIELD AREA, THOSE ARE ALL TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, WHICH YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FURTHER SEE DETAIL ON IN SOME OF THE LATER SLIDES.

SO THIS IS, UM, WHAT WE WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AND YOU CAN SEE KIND OF WHERE THE PARKING GRAVEL PARKING LOT IS.

AND IF YOU GO ONTO THE GIS SYSTEM ON THE COUNTY, UH, THE EXISTING BUFFER YARDS OR THE EXISTING TREES ARE BETWEEN 30 AND 60 FEET DEEP AROUND THE, UH, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

AND THAT MOSTLY IS GONNA STAY CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ENCROACH ON THAT.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE FOR DARREN TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, BUT IN SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT MR HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE LIGHTING PLAN, THERE'S NO LIGHTS GOING TO BE PROPOSED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UH, THERE'LL BE A SMALL TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, UH, WITH PLANS TO BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE, A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, WHICH OF COURSE, UM, WE WOULD COME IN WITH ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND PLANS AND DETAILS ON THAT, UH, FOR THE ZONING APPROVAL.

UM, BEFORE THAT WE WENT AHEAD WITH THAT.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE BUILT THAT'S PERMANENT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE, UH, KIND OF THE NORTH NORTHWEST CORNER THERE, UH, ONE OF THE, KEEP THAT OPEN AREA KIND OF LIKE A PARK PEOPLE CAN GATHER, TAKE BREAKS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

AND OF COURSE RUN THE PAINTBALL FIELD IN THE AIRSOFT.

DAN, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? OKAY.

MY NAME IS DEREK SCHMIDT, UH, PRESIDENT G2 TACTICAL.

UM, THERE IS, YOU GUYS HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESTROOM FACILITIES THERE.

UH, WE DID PLAN TO PUT SOME TEMPORARY PORTA JOHNS THERE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET THE RESTAURANT FACILITY BUILT.

SO THEY'RE IN THE, UM, THING IS THAT WE'D HAVE SOMEONE COMING IN, REMOVE THAT WASTE FROM, UH, WHATEVER THE CODES REQUIRE FOR EITHER AN UNDERGROUND SEPTIC OR ABOVE GROUND SEPTIC OR SOMETHING IN THAT NATURE.

SO AT LEAST THEY WOULD HAVE A PLACE TO GO WHILE WE'RE THERE.

SO WE'RE WILLING TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY.

UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE TOO, IN THIS BETTER DETAILED MAP THAT THEY DIDN'T GET WHAT, HOW THE ROW OF TREES THERE BY THE STAGING AREA.

SO EVEN BY THE ROAD DRIVING BY OR WHATEVER, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE ACTIVITIES GOING ON OUT THERE.

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UH, THEY HAD NO ROOFTOPS TO ME, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY DO THERE, BUT THEY DO NOT.

IT'S JUST THREE MILES.

I WAS ABLE TO GRAB OFF ONLINE.

UM, AND AS I MENTIONED TO THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT AND WE'RE PROVIDING AMPLE PARKING THERE, BUT I DID SEE THAT WHEN YOUR CO'S REQUIRES OVER A CERTAIN MOUNTAIN, THAT YOU HAVE FIVE FOOT, UM, UH, VEGETATION AREA IN THE CENTER OR WHATEVER THAT IS.

AND WE WILL DEFINITELY ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT IN THERE.

HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT AT THE TIME, UH, WHEN I DREW THIS UP AND I THINK THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT AS MR. SORRELL AND TALK ABOUT BEING TEMPORARY, UH, FOR THIS TIME, UH, ACTUALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? IT'S IF, UH, WHAT I THINK IS A BENEFIT TO BOTH THE CITY AND G2 IS A BEING A SPECIAL USES.

IF THEY STOP OPERATION, NOBODY ELSE CAN COME IN HERE AND USE THAT PERMIT TO DO THIS OPERATION, RIGHT? SO THE, THE OPERATION WOULD CEASE OR IF THEY STOPPED FOR A YEAR AND CONTINUE TO OWN THE LAND, RIGHT.

IT STOPS AND IT CAN'T CONTINUE.

WHEREAS IF WE WERE TO DO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE CHANGING, RIGHT, THE OVERALL ZONING AND CREATING THIS AGRICULTURAL PROP PROPERTY BE AN AIRSOFT FIELD.

AND SO IN THIS WAY WITH A SPECIAL USE, YOU KNOW, THE G2 EXPECTS TO BE THERE A LONG TIME AND WANTS TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY AND DO THINGS, UM, IN A WAY THAT THAT'S HARMONIOUS WITH THE, WITH THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT.

AND TALKING WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THOSE THINGS.

AND SO THE SPECIAL USE KIND OF ADDS TO THAT, I THINK, AND HAVING THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT ADDS TO THAT, MAKING IT NOT, NOT SO PERMANENT AS WELL.

COULD I ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SLIDES? COULD YOU GO BACK? ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS YOUR READING.

I HAVE A COUPLE, OH, WHERE IS THE CURRENT ENTRANCE AT THE BOTTOM? DOWN THERE BY THE BLACK SPOT.

SO YOU DOES THAT, DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE THAT AS A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY TO GET TO THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT? IT CURRENTLY IS GRAVEL RIGHT THERE AS IT STANDS.

I KNOW WHEN YOU GO IN, BUT LOOK AT, YOU'VE GOT THAT WHOLE DISTANCE LONG BACKSIDE OF BELL FOUNTAIN.

SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK THE GRAVEL DRIVING ON THE BOTTOM THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN REMOVED, THIS IS NOT THE MOST CURRENT MAP THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT THE ONE THAT GOES UP ALONG THE SIDE IS THE ONE THAT WE KIND OF HAVE AS GRAVEL TO GET UP TO THE, SO YOU'LL BE BUILDING A GRAVEL ROAD TO GET TO YOUR GRAVEL PARKING LOT, WHICH WILL BE TEMPORARY AND, AND EVENTUALLY IF NEED BE.

AND HOW, HOW LONG IS TEMPORARY IN YOUR MIND? UM, WITHIN THREE TO FIVE YEARS, CAUSE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR EVERYTHING OUT OF POCKET, NOT THROUGH LOANS.

SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A PROPOSAL OF WHAT THEY ENVISIONED IN THE FUTURE OF WHAT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, OF COURSE THIS WOULD BE COMING BACK IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE PERMANENT STRUCTURE WENT IN.

THESE WOULD BE THE USES THAT THEY WOULD DO WITH THAT.

AND, UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM.

AGAIN, KEEPING, YOU KNOW, THIS, AN AGRICULTURE AREA WE'RE IN THIS REALLY NICE FARMLAND.

WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN AND PUT, YOU KNOW, A VERY MODERN STRUCTURE.

AND WE THINK A POLE BARN TYPE HOST BEAM STRUCTURE, WHICH SATISFY AND IT C SUITS THEIR NEEDS.

AND THEN KIND OF, AGAIN, IF THEY WENT AWAY, SOMETHING HAPPENED, YOU HAVE A BARN STRUCTURE THAT CAN BE USED AS AN AGRICULTURAL USE AS WELL.

KIND OF KEEPING IN WITH THAT.

AND BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO MOVE ON, UH, THIS, UH, TEMPORARY IS IT IS THE TEMPORARY WILL I'M GOING TO BE A TRAILER? NO.

UM, SO WE HAD PREVIOUSLY TALKED TO SCOTT ABOUT PUTTING UP A THREE SHEDS OR EVEN TWO AND OPERATING OUT OF THOSE UNTIL WE CAN DO THIS.

AND HE SAID THERE WAS NO PROBLEM, LIKE A TOUGH SHED.

WELL WE WERE ACTUALLY ON A BUILDING CAUSE I THINK THE CODE REQUIRES IT TO BE, UM, A MAXIMUM OF 200, 200 SQUARE FEET.

SO WE WERE GOING TO BUILD TWO OF THOSE OUT THERE TO USE UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TISSUE SHEDS AND THAT WOULD BE FOR FOOTAGE.

THE TEMPORARY TIME FRAME ON THAT IS THAT THREE TO FIVE YEARS ALSO.

THAT IS OUR TEMPORARY, UH, UH, PLAN PLAN IS FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS IS TO THEN UPGRADE TO THIS BUILDING AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE PARKING LOT PAVED OR WHATEVER REQUIRED AND THEN, OKAY.

AND ON THIS BEAUTIFUL HOME THAT YOU HAVE THERE, YOU SAY, CONFERENCE GATHERING ROOM FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND SO FORTH, PUT CERTAINLY WOULD BE EXTENDED HOURS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED AND, UH, THE HOURS EXPECTED.

NO, UH, THAT WOULD STILL HAPPEN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF THREE AND FIVE ON THE WEEKEND.

WELL, IF YOU HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY ON WEDNESDAY, YOU WOULD TURN THEM AWAY.

WE ALL GOT FULL-TIME JOBS THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.

SO WE WOULDN'T BE OUT THERE DURING THAT TIME.

THANK

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YOU.

AND AGAIN, HERE'S SOME MORE EXAMPLES.

UH, THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON OUT THERE, BUT AGAIN, I KNOW I'M NOT EVERYONE IN HERE PLAYS AIRSOFT, SO YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS GOING ON OUT HERE, STARTING FROM THE TOP LEFT THERE.

UH, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF A PART OF THE KRONO FIELD, UH, WHERE WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S, UH, REPLICAS ARE SHOOTING AT THE SPECIFIED, UH, POWER, UH, AND NOT OVERSHOOTING.

UH THAT'S OF COURSE, A SAFETY FACTOR FOR EVERYONE.

AND THEN THE PAINT BALL FIELDS THERE WITH THE, UH, AIRSOFT FIELD IN THE BACKGROUND GOING OVER THE TOP, RIGHT? AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSED THAT WAS WITH THE TEMPORARY BUILDING, OR I'M SORRY, THE PERMANENT MAY LOOK LIKE A, WITH THE PARKING LOT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND THEN LOWER, RIGHT? THOSE ARE SOME, UH, ANOTHER FIELD WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, UH, THE MAIN REASON WHY I PUT THAT ONE ON THERE IS BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE THE TREES, THE HOTLINE, THE WHOLE AREA, AND THAT IS THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.

SO THAT EVEN IF YOU WERE TO BE DRIVING BY OR WALKING BY, OR ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WAS OUT THERE, ROAMING IN THERE WOULD HAVE LOCKS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY SEE THIS UNLESS THEY WERE UP ON THE PROPERTY LINE ITSELF.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE A 30 FOOT, UM, PRESERVATION ZONE DOWN THERE, WHICH WOULD STILL MAKE IT PRETTY HARD FOR THEM TO SEE INTO THE PLAYFIELD.

HERE'S SOME MORE EXAMPLES.

OF COURSE, THERE'S A 3D RENDERING OF THE PARKING LOT ON THE TOP LEFT.

AND THEN WHAT, AGAIN, OTHER POTENTIAL TEMPORARY STRUCTURES OR OBSTACLES, UH, WOULD BE BUILT.

AND AGAIN, THOSE CAN BE MOVED AROUND AT A LOT OF FIELDS THAT HOW THEY, HOW THEY BUILD THEM SO THEY CAN BE ERECTED TAKEN DOWN AND MOVE.

CROWDED ON A REGULAR BASIS AND NOBODY'S SHOOTING HOT.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT ONE THAT IS MORE, SO THE GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE PLAN ON PUTTING OUT THERE AS FAR AS STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ROOFTOPS, IT'S ALL PAINTED.

IT'S ALL WELL TAKEN CARE OF, BUT IT'S ALSO MODULAR SO THAT WE COULD CHANGE UP THE FIELD DESIGN IF WE NEEDED TO.

AND AGAIN, HERE'S A, HERE'S A LATER DRAWING.

UM, AGAIN, UH, MR. SORRELL SUGGESTED AT THAT SOUTHERN BORDER WHERE WE HAVE A 10 FOOT BUFFER ZONE, YOU KNOW, 30 FOOT BUFFER ZONE, WHICH IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE THERE WITH THE CURRENT VEGETATION, THE ACTUAL PLAYING FIELD, AS YOU CAN SEE IS OVER A THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD IN THE NEAREST HOUSE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THOSE FOUR OR FIVE LOTS THAT ARE COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE 1800 FOOT LOTS, WHICH ARE OVER A QUARTER MILE.

UM, SO WE HAD ADDITIONAL 30 FEET JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME PEOPLE SOME ROOM AND PEACE OF MIND THAT WE WON'T ENCROACH ON THEM.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT REPRESENTS.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS HERE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER, BUT BASICALLY, UH, WHAT THIS TELLS US IS, UM, WE WENT OUT WITH A ACTUAL NOISE OR WHAT ARE THOSE GUYS, THANK YOU.

UM, NOT ONE FROM OUR PHONE, BUT AN ACTUAL METER AND MEASURED THE SOUNDS OF WHAT THESE REPLICAS, THE NOISE THEY MAKE.

UM, AND IN SHORT, YOU CAN SEE, UH, AT 300 FEET, YOU'RE HIDDEN, MAYBE 55 DECIBELS, UH, THE AMBIENT NOISE, JUST FROM THE TRAFFIC THERE I 70, UH, WE'D GO UP TO 62, UH, DECIBELS.

AND, UH, THESE WERE RECORDED TOO, NOT DURING LIKE PEAK TRAFFIC TIME AT, UM, ALUMNI 70.

THIS WAS AT ONE TO 2:00 PM IN THE DAY.

SO THERE WAS VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC AND THAT WAS JUST, THE AMBIENT WAS UP TO 6 62 0.3.

THE AVERAGE PERSON'S CONVERSATION, ACCORDING TO GOOGLE IS 16.

SO THESE REPLICAS THAT WE'RE SHOOTING, EVEN THE PAINTBALL ONES ARE WELL UNDER, EVEN JUST SINCE HAVING A NORMAL CONVERSATION.

AS I REMEMBER LAST TIME SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE HOW THAT THESE REAL LOUD OR SOMETHING, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE LESS THAN US TALKING TO ONE.

AND SO, UH, THEN HERE'S JUST A QUICK THING ABOUT CHRONOGRAPH.

UM, IF ANYONE'S AN ENGINEER OR, UH, UH, INTO THOSE THINGS, WE MEASURE THESE THROUGH JEWELS, WHICH IS A MEASURE OF FORCE, UM, THE MAXIMUM, UH, WHICH WE HAVE A SNIPER RIFLE, REPLICA S UH, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON FOR PEOPLE.

AND YOU ONLY HAVE LIKE ONE OR TWO GUYS PLAYING THOSE.

THEY WILL GET UP TO MAYBE 2.5 JUUL, AND THAT'S THE MAX.

UH, AND TO RELATE THAT TO LIKE SOMETHING YOU MAY RECOGNIZE YOUR TYPICAL DAISY BB GUN, OR A PELLET GUN SHOOTS AT 10 JUUL AND A SHOTGUN, YOUR 12 GAUGE CHECK-INS AT 3,500 JEWELS.

SO WE'RE TALKING VERY, VERY MINIMAL FORCES HERE.

AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHOOTING 0.2 RAM BABIES THAT ARE MADE OF PLASTIC.

UM, I'VE GOT SOME HERE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM, THEY'RE VERY, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY QUITE SILLY THAT THEY ACTUALLY MOVE THROUGH THE AIR WITHOUT GETTING BLOWN OFF COURSE TOO MUCH.

UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU HIT VEGETATION LEAVES OR WHATEVER.

IT PRETTY MUCH STOPS THEM DEAD.

UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE KEEP IT SAFE.

AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT G2 IS THINGS ARE ALWAYS

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UH, NOBODY'S GETTING HURT AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT SAFE OUT THERE BEFORE YOU MOVE ON THE PRIOR SLIDE, YOU TALKED ABOUT NETTING BY THE INTERSTATE, IS THAT TO STOP THE BDS OR TO STOP THE CABLES? BOTH.

UH, CAUSE LAST TIME I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU, OR MOSOP MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, WOULD WE BE WILLING TO PUT A NETTING DOWN THE HIGHWAY SIDE TO HELP PREVENT EVEN MORE OF THIS HAPPENING FROM GETTING ONTO THE HIGHWAY? AND WE SAID WE WOULD.

SO IT'S IN OUR PLANS TO DO SO AT 50 FEET IN HEIGHT, UH, W WE PLAN ON DOING, UM, ABOUT 20 FEET, 20 FEET.

CAUSE UH, THEY SOLD THE NETTING IN LIKE 16 OR 20 FEET.

LIKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

IT DEPENDS ON WHICH PLACE YOU GO TO AS WELL.

SO IT WAS WITH, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN INTERRUPTIONS AND STUFF.

WE'LL HAVE TO GET WHATEVER WE CAN GET, BUT IT'LL BE AT LEAST A 16 FOOT OR UP TO 20 FOOT.

OH YES, SIR.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING WITH THE DISTANCE TO THE HOUSE? SO WHAT ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINES GOING STRAIGHT DOWN? SO THOSE ARE, UM, WE DIDN'T GET THOSE BECAUSE I GET, I GET YOU TO GET THOSE.

I ONLY MARKED THE CLOSEST HOUSE.

THE OTHER ONES WERE EVEN FURTHER THAN THE 1020 8 51 RESIDENT.

HE'S THE CLOSEST AND HE'S AN 800 FEET OFF THE REAR.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK THAT.

I MISSED IT.

CAUSE THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, ALL THOSE LOTS ARE WELL, NOT OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE A QUARTER MILE LONG.

GOT ONE GUY THAT'S TALKING TO THE ATF AND THEY SAID THEY BELIEVE IT'S LEGAL AS WELL.

I MEAN, UM, AND YOU, IF YOU'RE LUCKY AND IF YOU'RE REALLY GOOD WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR REPLICA AND AGAIN, YOU'RE SHOOTING AT THE HIGHEST, YOU CAN MAYBE GET 200 FEET RANGE MAX OUT OF THESE.

AND HOW FAR IS THE, FROM THE INTERSTATE? UM, I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK UP THERE, IT SHOWS THAT IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.

SO YOU JUST SAID IT CAN SHOOT 200 VEGETATION, HAD TO PASS IT ON NET AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND THEY JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

AND THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW THE TOP OF GRAPH POVERTY AND IT IS, YEAH.

LET'S NOT SAY UM, AND I'M HERE RESPONSIBLE BUT POSSIBLE.

YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE YOU PURPOSELY GOING OUT THERE TO SHOOT CARS.

AND, UM, I CAN GUARANTEE THAT, THAT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE IF ANYONE WAS CAUGHT DOING THAT, THEY WOULD NOT ONLY BE BANNED, BUT WE WOULD CALL THE POLICE AND EXPLAIN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT PERSON WAS HELD RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A REALLY GREAT COMMUNITY.

UM, THE REASON I'M HERE WITH THESE GUYS IS THIS IS WHAT I USED TO DO FOR A LIVING, WORKING WITH PLANNING, COMMISSIONS, AND ZONING.

UH, BUT MY SON PLAYS THERE AND HE'S 12.

AND I CAN, I CAN PUT HIM OUT ON THE FIELD BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SIX OR SEVEN GUYS, UM, WHO ARE SUPERVISING THAT FIELD.

THEY ALL HAVE COMMS, THEY ALL HAVE RADIO.

AND I KNOW HE SAVED AND LAUNCHED AND TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO UP ON THAT HILL AND COME OUT TO SAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN, WHO CAN, NOBODY CAN SAY THAT, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY'D GET CAUGHT.

AND I GUARANTEE WE PROSECUTE THEM, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

IT'S NOT A JOKING MATTER.

UM, REALLY SAFETY'S FIRST, UH, WITH THIS FIELD AND THE OPERATIONS, UM, AND THIS KIND OF GOES INTO THEIR OPERATIONS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, I TALKED ABOUT, THEY HAVE THREE TO FIVE TRAIN STAFF MEMBERS AT EACH EVENT.

UM, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE WHERE THERE'S LESS THAN SIX.

UH, THEY ALL ARE CO COMMS IN COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OTHER, UH, CHECKING ON ON PEOPLE, MAKING SURE THEY'RE SAFE.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO TALK ABOUT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, AND EXPLAIN THAT AND WHAT, WHAT THOSE WERE ABOUT.

WE'LL TOUCH ON THE PYRO REAL QUICK.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH, UM, FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY SELLING AND USING PRODUCTS ON OUR FIELD THAT WE ALL WOULD ASSUME ARE SAFE AND LEGAL.

UH, LITERALLY EVERY FIELD IN OHIO USES THESE THINGS.

EVERYBODY IN THEIR SOFT COMMUNITY USES THEM AS WELL.

SO IT BEING ILLEGAL OR WHATEVER IS, UH, NEWS TO US AND WITH ALL THE OTHER FIELD OWNERS I'VE TALKED TO, AND THAT IS NEWS TO THEM AS WELL.

UM, THERE WAS A POST BY AIRSOFT ALPHA, JUST IN 2019 SAYING THAT THEY WERE ILLEGAL.

WE TRY TO CONTACT THEM TO GET SOME INFORMATION THEY RUN WILLING TO.

I TALKED WITH A FIRE CHIEF NICELY ABOUT IT.

I'VE TALKED TO THE, UM, STATE FIRE CHIEF.

UH, THEY'RE GOING TO SEND IT UP HIGHER TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE WAS A CLASSIFICATION WHERE IT DOES STATE THAT IT IS FOR FIELD USE AND TRAINING PURPOSES ONLY.

SO WE GOT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE WORDING VERBIAGE IS FOR THAT.

UM, WE'VE ALSO

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SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT UP HIGHER AS WELL.

UM, BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, WE'RE GOING TO CEASE USE OF ALL THE PYRO AND EVERYTHING UNTIL WE CAN GET A CLEAR DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM THE AUTHORITIES ON WHAT IS WHAT, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A NOTE FROM VULCAN, UH, THAT STATES THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT CLASSIFIED UNDERNEATH PYRO AND, UH, FIREWORKS OR WHATEVER.

I FORGET THE EXACT VERBIAGE WHEN I GOT THE EMAIL, BUT, UM, I DID NOT BRING, UM, AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU ALL AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT GOES FURTHER INTO THE LEGALITIES OF IT.

AND I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE, THERE IS LONG STORY SHORT.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CHIEF AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S COMFORTABLE BEFORE WE BRING THAT PRODUCT ONTO THE FIELD.

IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO USE THE FIELD FOR THIS USE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PIRATE ON OUR FIELD AND TELL THAT SHE'S HAPPY.

AND WE GET THAT FIGURED OUT BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE WERE SURPRISED WHEN WE SAW THAT AND I'M NOT DENYING THE CLASSIFICATION ON THAT.

CAUSE I WAS, I WAS LIKE, WHOA, REALLY? SO THAT WAS NEWS TO US AND WE'RE HAPPY TO FOLLOW AND COMPLY WITH THE RULES, UH, WITH THAT.

SO, UM, YOU WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE QUICK, OH, ON, ON THAT, AS FAR AS THE DECIBEL LEVELS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE GUNS AND STUFF, BUT WHAT ABOUT LIKE, THEY'RE GOING AIDS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND THEN THE PYRO YOU JUST SAID, IF YOU GET PERMISSION AND WE WOULD STILL COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND DISCUSS IT, WOULDN'T THAT WOULDN'T COME TO US.

IF IT BECOMES LEGAL, IT'S LEGAL.

SO SUDDENLY WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THEM, I THINK I HAVE TO AT LEAST LET HIM KNOW.

UM, SO THE, THE, HOW LOUD ARE THOSE AND HOW HIGH DO THOSE SHOES? SO THERE, YOU ONLY THROW THEM SO THAT'S HOWEVER HIGH YOU CAN THROW THEM.

UM, BUT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF LIKE A PULP PAPER.

SO THEY'RE VERY LIGHTWEIGHT.

PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO THROW HIM VERY FAR, MAYBE 50 TO A HUNDRED FEET IF THAT EVEN, UM, THEY DO RANGE BETWEEN 150 TO 120 DECIBELS, BUT WE ALSO GOTTA KEEP IN MIND THERE'S TREES.

THERE WERE, HAVE THOSE STRUCTURES THERE THAT WILL BE BLOCKING ALL THIS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE SOUNDS, NOT JUST THE QUIET ONES.

AND THEN THE PYROS THAT GO OFF AS FAR AS THE CELEBRATORY SIDE AT THE END.

HOW HIGH DO THOSE SHOOT? OH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU, UH, SON, UH, I'M ASSUMING WHEN YOU SAY PYROTECHNICS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FIREWORKS AND STUFF.

WE DON'T USE PYRO THAT CAN LAUNCH JUMP.

NO, NONE OF THAT STUFF.

AND THEY WERE CUTTING DOWN TELEPHONE POLES TRYING TO RECYCLE, UM, TELEPHONE LINES.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THEN YOU GUYS, YOU SAID YOU DO FIREWORKS AT THE LAST MEETING.

UH, WE USE STATIONARY FIREWORKS.

THEY DON'T JUMP UP IN THE AIR.

NO NOTHING, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO ABOVE THE TREE LINES.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT JUMP OUT AND HIT SOMEBODY.

NO, NONE OF THAT STUFF.

BUT YOU DO USE, UH, WELL FIREWORKS WE HAD IN THE BACK.

YEAH, WE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ILLEGAL.

SO, AND I THINK FIREWORKS IS NOT, IS, WOULD BE A GOOD GENERAL TERM PYROS, A LITTLE BETTER OR SIMULATED EXPLOSIVE IN LICENSE, WHICH ALSO DOESN'T SOUND GREAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY ARE.

UM, AND SO THE CALLS FOR SERVICE I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

UM, ESPECIALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA OF DATING.

UM, THE PREVIOUS SITE THAT G2 WAS AT WAS AN, A VACANT, ABANDONED BUILDING THAT REQUIRED A LOT OF CLEANUP.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF HOMELESS ACTIVITY THERE THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO OPEN UP.

AND I THINK A LOT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE STEMS FROM THERE, BUT I'LL LET YOU TALK ABOUT THAT.

ONLY FOUR OF THOSE CASES, ACTUALLY FROM MY KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM US THREE OF THOSE WHEN WE HAD A FIRE.

UH, BUT WE HAD PERMITS FOR THAT.

UH, SO I JUST ASSUMED IT WAS A PASSER BY JUST DOING A GOOD SAMARITAN CHECK OR WHATEVER.

AND THE, THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT AND THEY CHECKED IT AND THEY SAID, OKAY.

AND THEY LEFT.

UM, ONE OF THEM WAS AN EMS CALL, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED OUR, UH, FACILITY HAD, UM, A HEAT WAS A HEAT CASUALLY.

UM, WE MAKE ALL HEAT CASUALTIES WEAR PURPLE TAPE SO WE CAN IDENTIFY THEM, GIVE THEM FREE DRINKS WHEN THEY NEED TO ALL THAT STUFF, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM PASSING OUT IN ONE, WE DID NOT CATCH UNFORTUNATELY.

SO WE HAD CALLED THE PARAMEDICS.

UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER EMS CALL IN THERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS FOR, BUT THERE WAS SOMEONE DOWN THE ROAD THAT DID, UH, UNFORTUNATELY ODIE AND I BELIEVE PASSED AWAY AND A PORTAJOHN DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ALSO NOT EVEN FROM THE SAME YEAR THAT WE WERE THERE.

SOME OF THEM WERE OUTSIDE OF THAT YEAR.

SOME OF THEM WERE NOT EVEN ON THE DATES THAT WE OPERATE.

AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ALSO, UM, FALSE ALARMS THAT THEY WROTE DOWN THERE IN THEIR NOTES.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS ALL IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

SO IT'S JUST A BAD PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK YOU MAY REMEMBER LAST TIME I HAD MENTIONED WE'VE HAD THE COPS OUT THERE PATROLLING, UH, BEFORE WE EVEN GOT THERE AND TRYING TO GET PEOPLE WHO WERE LIVING IN, UM, A SEMI-TRAILER IN THE BACK OF THIS OTHER WAREHOUSE RIGHT BESIDE US.

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SO IT'S, IT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT OF ROUGH STUFF THAT HAPPENS AROUND THERE.

SO, UM, LET'S MOVE TO, SO THAT'S KIND OF FIELD OPERATIONS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

UM, YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT FIRST AND THIRD WEEKEND? 11 TO FIVE.

UH, SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE OPENED UP AND WE WOULD ONLY OPERATE ON THE FIRST AND THIRD WEEKEND.

UM, AND THE GAMES ACTUALLY STARTED AT 11 AND TYPICALLY WE END AT FIVE UNLESS WE WERE DOING A SPECIAL EVENT DAY, WHICH IS THEN ONLY ONE HOUR AFTER DARK.

UM, WHICH I BELIEVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS STOPPED AT 10.

SO WE COULD DEFINITELY WORK WITHIN THAT RANGE.

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

UM, ALL WE GOTTA DO IS ALTER OUR HOURS.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

AND THEN WHAT YOU HAVE, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS AS THE FIELD, THIS IS POSTED FOR EVERYONE.

UM, AND I THINK IT SHOWS TO THE DEDICATION OF NOT ONLY DO THESE RULES ARE POSTED ON THEIR FACEBOOK DISCORD, UM, THAT THEY HAVE THEM ON SITE, G2 MEMBERS WHO REGULATE AND REFEREE FIELDS OR OVERSEE, UH, GAMEPLAY ALL HAVE TO KNOW THESE, GO THROUGH A SMALL TRAINING COURSE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

SO, UM, PEOPLE WANT TO LEARN, LIKE I SAID, I BRING MY 12 YEAR OLD OUT AND HE LOVES IT.

AND, UM, I WOULDN'T GO OUT THERE IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM.

CAUSE, UH, THIS, THIS DOESN'T RUN A LOT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL SAFE THERE WE PLAY, WE PLAY I'M FROM COLORADO.

WE PLAY IN COLORADO.

UH, WE PLAYED IN FOUR AND UH, THIS IS THE SAFEST PLACE.

THIS GROUP IS EXCELLENT.

I JUST WANT TO ADD TO, UM, ONE OF THOSE LATE NIGHT CALLS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SOMEBODY WAS BURNING DOWN OUR FACILITY JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE.

AND LUCKILY WE HAD A FIRE RETURN NETTING.

SO THEY ONLY BURNED A BUNCH OF HOLES IN IT RATHER THAN BURN THE WHOLE THING DOWN.

UM, SO LIKE, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVE THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ROUGH OUT THERE AND WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE TO A BETTER AREA SO THAT WE CAN GET AWAY FROM ALL THE LOCAL ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE.

UM, I NOTE THAT YOU GOGGLES ARE ALWAYS REQUIRED.

DO YOU PROVIDE ALL THE EQUIPMENT? NO, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T GET ON THE FIELD.

SO GOGGLES AND GLOVES, UNLESS THEY RENT.

IF THEY RENT FROM US, WE HAVE SOME THAT THEY CAN RENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'D HAVE IN SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RENTAL EQUIPMENT.

I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING.

SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO WITH, WITH PEOPLE ABLE TO BRING ALL THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU GUYS ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT INCREASING? I THINK HE CALLED IT, THE JUUL WAS ON THE GUN, OR ONCE YOU CHECK THEM IN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR THOSE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO GO CRANK THEM UP AS SOON AS THEY GET ON THROUGH YOU BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T SIT AND BABYSIT.

SO NO.

UM, TO BE ABLE TO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF GUNS.

I SUMMER BATTERY POWER TO SUMMER AIR POT, WHERE THEY ALL EVENTUALLY OUR AIR.

BUT, UM, YOU HAVE A HIGH PRESSURE AIR SYSTEM, UM, WITH A TANK AND THEIR, IN THAT RULES IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMPETITION LOCK.

AND SO THAT LOCKS THAT REGULATOR AND THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT OFF UNTIL THEY LEAVE.

SO THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO CHANGE THAT THE ELECTRIC BATTERY POWERED GUNS, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE IT APART.

YOU GOT TO HAVE SPECIAL TOOLS, IT'LL TAKE YOU A HALF HOUR AN HOUR, IF YOU'RE GOOD AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND AGAIN, UH, NOT ONLY WHEN THEY KRONOS, WHEN THEY CHECK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, UH, THEY TAG THAT, UH, REPLICA WITH, UH, UH, LIKE A ZIP TIE.

SO THEY KNOW WHICH ONE, AND THEY, IT CHANGES EACH TIME THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT EVENT.

UM, IF SOMEBODY CATCHES A GUN OR REPLICA, WITHOUT THAT, THEY TAKE THEM TO THE FIELD, TO THE CRIMINAL FIELD, CHECK IT.

UM, IF, UH, LIKE MY SON OR I, HEY, I GOT HIT AND YOU COULD TELL A DIFFERENCE.

IF SOMEONE'S RUNNING HOT, YOU COULD GO AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU CHECK THAT? AND THEY'LL CHECK THAT PERSON'S, UH, REPLICA.

UH, IT HAPPENS.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY I COME WITH WITH GTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT THEIR FIELD.

IT HAPPENS.

IT'S HAPPENED TO ME AT OTHER FIELDS.

SO IT DOES HAPPEN, BUT THEY MULTIPLE CHECKS.

AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SPECIAL USE REQUEST, IT'S A, IT'S A BUSINESS.

INDICATES, UH, WHERE HE REACHED OUT TO THE DATE AND FIRE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO GIVE? SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO THE REPORT FROM, UH, CHIEF KNISELY

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YOU INDICATED THE FIRES WERE, UH, ALL PERMIT BASED AND THE, WHAT WASN'T PERMITTED WITH SOMEBODY TRYING TO BURN YOUR BUILDING DOWN.

HOWEVER, THE REPORT IT SAYS, UM, OF THE 13 RESPONSES, FOUR CALLS OCCURRED BETWEEN SIX AND SIX, 12:00 AM OR 12:00 AM.

AND 6:00 AM.

THE DAYTON FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD ISSUES WITH ILLEGAL BURNING ON SITES, WHERE THEY FOUND THE BURNING, PALLETS GRASS, AND EVEN TRASH TO SIMULATE THE SMOKE OF COMBAT ENVIRONMENT, DATING REPORTS THAT THEY'VE EVEN ASSIGNED A FIRE INVESTIGATORS PERFORM INCREASED PATROLS BECAUSE OF THE FINDINGS ON THAT FACILITY OUT THERE.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT RELATED TO YOUR ACTIVITY? I'M SAYING THAT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT IS WHAT THAT IS FOR GROSS EXAGGERATION.

WE HAD NEVER SET STUFF ON FIRE TO ENHANCE THE COMBAT SIMULATION THAT'S NEGLIGENCE.

ANYBODY COULD FILE FILE FALL IN THE FIRE OR WHATEVER, BUT LET'S NOT SAY WE HAVEN'T HAD FIRES OUT THERE.

THEY'RE WARMING FIRES, WHICH ARE LEGAL IN DAYTON TO HAVE, SO THAT WHEN IT IS COLD OUTSIDE, WE COULD STAY WARM AS WHICH IS WE'VE ONLY DONE TWO OR THREE TIMES, AND IT WAS IN A BARREL OR INNER RINGS AND IT WAS NOT NEAR ANYTHING THAT COULD CATCH ON FIRE.

WE NEVER BURNED TRASH OUT THERE.

WE HAVE FOR PALLETS, WHICH WE HAD PERMITS FOR AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO WE AREN'T OUT THERE BURNING PLASTIC MODELS OR PEOPLE'S GARBAGE OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S JUST, I WOULD NOT.

I SAY IT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT.

I SAID, IT'S A GROSS GENERALIZATION.

UM, BECAUSE THAT AREA IS, UH, IT'S ALONG SPRINGFIELD STREET.

AND THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT RIGHT BEFORE RIVERSIDE AND JUST COMING OUT OF EAST STATE.

AND, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF VACANT BUILDINGS AND LOTS THERE.

AND WHEN THAT LAW WAS CLEARED FOR THIS USE, THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF FOUND THERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE USING IT FOR CAMPAIGN.

THEY WILL CAMPAIGN AND, UM, LIVE IN THERE.

AND THEN THERE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, I THINK IT'S CITY OF DAYTON PROPERTY.

AND IT GOES TO THE RIVER AGAIN, A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE AND FOLKS DOWN THERE.

SO WERE, DID THEY HAVE TO EMPLOY PEOPLE TO CHECK THAT OUT IN THAT AREA? MOST LIKELY, BUT IT WAS IT, UH, BECAUSE G2 WAS THERE.

AND I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT THERE'D BE LESS CALLS FOR SERVICE DOWN THERE WHILE THEY WERE THERE, BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU GOT 80 PEOPLE THERE.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO, WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE DRIVE BY THERE AND YOU COULD TELL, LIKE THEY WERE LOOKING TO FOR A SPOT TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEY WOULD JUST DRIVE ONE.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE AMOUNT IN THAT ONE YEAR THAT WE WERE THERE THEN WHEN WE WERE NOT, AND WE'VE, WE'VE UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO KICK OUT A COUPLE OF HOMELESS PEOPLE WHILE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SEASON OF PLANNING.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE DOING THAT AND BEING LIKE, AND I ALSO THINK THAT ALSO PLAYS INTO, UH, THE PROTECTION OF THE SPECIAL USE, BECAUSE IF THERE'S GROSS VIOLATIONS FROM THE USE, UH, I BELIEVE YOU CAN PULL THAT PERMIT FROM, UH, G2 FOR THAT PROPERTY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S SAFEGUARDS THERE.

IT GETS APPROVED.

THEY'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THE RULES OR ELSE.

THEIR STUFF IS BIODEGRADABLE.

AND THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON TO WHY WE SWITCHED TO THE SPECIAL USE.

UH, THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

BUT WE GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION SOMEWHERE WITH WHAT TYPE OF USE THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE APPLYING FOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

GO AHEAD.

UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, ONCE THE, THE LITTLE BULLETS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, HIT VEGETATION, THAT IT STOPS HIM.

AT WHAT POINT DOES IT TAKE VEGETATION AND DROP THE LEAVES OFF THE TREES THAT IT'S HIT? SO NOW YOUR TREES ARE IT'S AFFECTING THE NATURAL, THE NATURAL TREES THAT HAVE GROWN OUT THERE.

WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THAT'S NOT JUST STOPPING ANYTHING FROM THE TREES LOOKING POORLY.

NOW YOU HA YOU KNOW, PAINT, YOU KNOW, PAINT ON THEM.

YOU HAVE PANEL OVER THERE.

THE LEAVES, THERE WILL BE NO, THERE'D BE NO PAIN ON THEM.

WE HAVE A NETTING THAT GOES AROUND THERE, SO THAT WOULD STOP ALL.

SO THE PAINT FIELDS, IT'S A MESH NET, BUT THEY DON'T BREAK AGAINST THE NECK CAUSE IT'S SO FLIMSY THAT IT SLOWS THE BALL DOWN.

SO IT JUST FALLS UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE RIGHT UP ON IT, LIKE SIX INCHES AWAY AND PUMPING INTO IT.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE A TYPICAL USE.

THE PAINT FIELD, THE PAINTBALL FIELDS ARE IN COLD WOULD BE ENCLOSED WITH THAT.

THEY'D BE SEPARATE FROM CLOSED WITH THAT NET, UH, SPEAKING TO, UH, THE DETERIORATION OF THE VEGETATION THROUGH CONTINUED USE.

UM, I, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE, BUT, BUT THE OPTION STATES THAT

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IT DOES NOT HURT VEGETATION, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO IF IT ENDS UP, CAUSE I REMEMBER YOU GUYS STATING THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, POLLUTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND IT HURTING THE ENVIRONMENT IF IT DOES, AND WE COULD GO AFTER THEM CAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT IT DOES NOT.

UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE GOING BACK TO THE, TO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO SHOOT IN A SINGLE PLACE IN A SPECIFIC AREA, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ROUNDS CONTINUOUSLY.

AGAIN, THESE ARE THE MOST EVERYONE'S SHOOTING 0.2 BRAM, WHICH IS SUPER LIGHT.

AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HITTING A BRANCH, IT DOESN'T EVEN, IT, IT DEFLECTS AND PUSHES THE BB DOWN AND STOPS IT.

UH, I'VE KNOCKED A FEW LEAVES OFF BEFORE TRYING TO SHOOT THROUGH VEGETATION.

IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT AS FAR AS THE, YOUR OPEN TIME? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, LIKE WHAT DAYS OF THE WEEK AND THE HOURS I PLAN ON ONLY OPERATING ON SATURDAYS? UH, THAT IS OUR MAIN DAY.

I MEAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IF WE WANT TO DO A SPECIAL EVENT TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THOSE.

BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE ALL HAVE NINE TO FIVE JOBS.

AND SO WE HAVE, THIS IS A SECONDARY JOB ON TOP OF THAT SATURDAY, YOUR HOURS WOULD BE A NINE TO FIVE MOST LIKELY.

AND WHAT, UM, AS FAR AS SPECIAL EVENTS, WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN? YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW MANY DO YOU NORMALLY HAVE ONE A MONTH? ONE A MONTH.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS EVERY WEEK, SATURDAY ALSO.

IS THAT TRUE? I KNOW ONE PLACE I NOTICED IT SAID, UM, FIRST AND THIRD WEEK.

AND, BUT IS IT EVERY WEEK? IS IT SO SOME OF THE MONTHS THAT, UM, WE WILL BE OPEN, WE WOULD LIKE TO RUN EVERY WEEKEND AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER MONTHS WHEN THE NUMBERS DIE OFF, BECAUSE IT'S EITHER TOO HOT OR TOO COLD, WE WOULD LIKE TO SPACE THAT OUT SO THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT WASTING ANYBODY'S TIME AND OURS.

SO WE GET OTHER TIME THAT WE COULD BE USING TO BUILD UP THE FACILITY, WORK ON THE FACILITY, REPAIRING DAMAGES THAT'S BEEN DONE, ET CETERA.

SO DURING PEAK TIMES YOU WOULD BE OPEN EVERY WEEK, AS WELL AS HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF YOUR SPECIAL EVENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

AND, AND SO PEAK TIME IS USUALLY WHAT, TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR? FOUR TIMES WHAT? UH, USUALLY LIKE, UH, MARCH THROUGH MAY AND, UH, SEPTEMBER THROUGH NOVEMBER.

WHEN WE GO BACK, THE FIRST POINT IS THE USE APPROPRIATE FOR AGRICULTURAL.

AND, UM, UH, I KNOW I ASKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE, UH, AMMO THAT YOU USED.

UM, I DID READ THE MS D SHEET AND, UM, IT BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE THE THEY'RE NOT HARMFUL EXCEPT THAT IF, UH, IF A CHILD SHOULD HAPPEN INGEST ONE, THE COMMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE INDUCED VOMITING TO GET IT OUT, THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GET IT OUT.

SO, UM, AN ANIMAL THAT COMES ALONG AND HAPPENS TO PICK UP ONE HELP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING AROUND INDUCING BOND AND VOMITING ON ANIMALS.

UM, SO THIS IS NOT REALLY GIVEN US A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENS REALLY, UM, IF THEY DO INGEST THEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT ON THAT.

UM, AND AGAIN, ON OUR, ON THE PAINTBALL, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY A LESSER USE, MOST EVERYTHING IS AIRSOFT OUT THERE AND THE PAINTBALL IT'S IN THAT ENCLOSED FIELD.

AND SO I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS CAN'T GET IN THERE, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE VERY LOW.

UM, A CHILD EATING IT, UM, FOR, I DON'T THINK ANYONE UNDER 10 COMES OUT, UM, UH, STRONGLY SUGGEST 12 OR OLDER.

UM, BUT WITH, UM, WITH THAT NETTING AND ALSO WHAT IF ANIMALS GET CAUGHT IN THAT BEDDING? I MEAN, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR, I MEAN, DID THEY HAVE ANY ANTLERS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A SIMILAR PROBLEM WITH ANY FENCING YOU WOULD HAVE AS WELL, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, SO NOW WE GOT FENCING AND WE GOT NETTING.

WE GOT MORE, NO, I THINK IT WOULD JUST MAKE A GENERALIZATION BECAUSE I MEAN, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY KIND OF STATISTIC THAT SHOWS THAT ANYTHING GETS STUCK ON THESE NETTINGS.

UM, AND IF THERE IS, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE UP FOR A BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND I THINK, UM, WHY I THINK

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AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A LESS INTENSE USE THAN AGRICULTURAL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT THE PAINTS, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT ARE FARMERS PUTTING ON THEIR FIELDS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SPRAYED PESTICIDES? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T INGEST THAT EITHER, UH, PLUS THAT SITS AND RUNS OFF.

UM, SO WE WON'T BE HAVING IN THAT.

UM, THERE WAS NO LIVESTOCK, SO THERE'S NO EXTRA NITRATES OR, OR, UH, NUTRIENTS TO BE PUT INTO THE STREAM THAT HARM FISH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE WERE KIND OF TAKING THAT 19 ACRES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HOUSE, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND PIGS OR CROPS WITH PESTICIDES ON IT.

WE'RE KIND OF TAKING THAT AWAY AND WE'RE LIMITING THE POTENTIAL OF THAT PAINT INTO A SMALLER AREA.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT WHILE YOU CAN ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS THE GOAL.

ANOTHER QUESTION IS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR NORTH BORDER AND THE HIGHWAY, THE LAND IS ACTUALLY QUITE LOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY IS QUITE LOW COMPARED TO THE HIGHWAY.

THERE WAS THAT CLEAR VISUAL INTO THAT PLACE.

UM, AND I QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE SAFETY, AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, STRIPE ALL OTHER STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, UM, EVEN A 20 FOOT FENCE, IT PROBABLY WOULD NOT STOP IT CAUSE IT'S PRETTY, IT'S, UH, IT'S QUITE A LOWER AREA.

UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST POINT WHEN OUR FIELD, THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, I GUESS IT WAS THE GSM DATA SHARE SOMEWHAT, BUT IT RUNS DOWNHILL TO THAT CREEK FROM OUR POINT.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S A BUMP RIGHT WHERE THE FENCE LINE IS, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO THE DITCH OF THE HIGHWAY, THE HIGHWAY, IT IS DOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.

RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE THERE'S TWO OTHER, UH, FARM, LOTS OF THEN THE PROPERTY QUESTION.

AND IT'S AN, IT'S A, IT'S A SIGNAL FROM THE INTERSTATE.

IT'S A SMALL SECTION, BUT AGAIN, IT'S DOWN WELL.

UM, AND, AND THE BABIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN ARE TRAVELING AT A VERY LOW VELOCITY WITH NOT A LOT OF WEIGHT BEHIND THEM TO MAKE IT SHOOT NOW UP.

AND THEN A DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST HAVING, YOU'RE JUST CREATING THE RANGE IS JUST GETTING LOWER AND LOWER ON THESE.

YOU WOULD REALLY HAVE TO BE OFF AGAINST THE PROPERTY SHOOTING AT CARS WITH A CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT TO GET TO IT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, STRAY BB FROM SOMEBODY GETTING OUT IN THAT WAY AND YOU YOU'D HAVE MORE LUCK WITH THE NEIGHBORS SHOOTING THEIR GUN, GETTING OUT TO THE HUNTING THERE'S, UH, EASILY.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS, MR. JEFFRIES ON THE PARKING, UH, ASSAULT STAFF RECOMMENDED BASED ON THE 80 TO A HUNDRED, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE WE FIGURING TO START? UH, WE'LL DEFINITELY GO BY THE CODE.

UM, I BELIEVE THEY MENTIONED SOME ABOUT WE'D HAVE, UH, PROBABLY A MINIMUM 30 POUNDS STARTING OUT AS INCLUDE STAFF AND GENERAL PARKING.

AND THEN THAT WOULD INCLUDE ALSO THE FIVE FOOT GAP FOR VEGETATION'S.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE GAMES, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T RUN ONE GAME ALL DAY, RIGHT? SO THERE'S PROBABLY TEAMS COMING IN, RIGHT.

SO 80 THEN ANOTHER 80 OVERLAP.

NO, NO, WE PLAY EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME AND, UH, WE HAVE GENERALLY THERE'LL BE OUT THERE ANYWHERE FROM 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR, DEPENDING ON, UH, THE WEATHER.

UH, CAUSE WE KEEP IN MIND LIKE BEING HEAT, CASUALTIES AND STUFF.

UM, OR IF WE START SEEING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE RUN OUT OF AMMO AND STUFF, WE'LL CALL IT EARLY AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A HALF HOUR BREAK AND WE'LL START UP THE NEXT DAY.

AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED SALES PER DAY.

AND THAT 80 NUMBER IS, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE COME IN THE MORNING, SOME PEOPLE COME IN THE AFTERNOON.

SO AN 80 IS A GOOD, PROBABLY AVERAGE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THAT'S THAT'S THERE.

EAST THAT I THINK IS CLOSER THAN A THOUSAND FEET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO, MY NAME IS RICH MOORE, M O R E M.

MY HOUSE.

MY PROPERTY IS ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND MR. JEFFREY, JUST FOR YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE 800 FOOT HOUSE, THERE IS A HOUSE, UM, DIRECTLY

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I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

SO, YEAH, EXACTLY.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO WHAT YOU DO, BUT UH, THANK YOU.

UM, AND I HOPE THAT, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE HAD 20 OR SO NEIGHBORS SHOW UP, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE OUT THROUGHOUT YOUR DELIBERATIONS.

UH, I PROVIDED, I HOPE YOU GUYS GOT THIS INFORMATION IN A PACKET THAT I SENT IN.

DOES THIS LOOK FAMILIAR? IS THIS, UH, NEW TO YOU? UH, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON HOW QUICKLY I GO THROUGH THIS, I GUESS IS WHY I'M ASKING YOU DON'T GET IT.

I THINK IMPORTANT AND I THINK THEY, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S IN THE RULES HERE, BUT THE RULES THEY HAD ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE, I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY TELLING THAT ONE OF THE RULES IS PLEASE DO NOT SHOOT VEHICLES, WILDLIFE, OR TRAINS.

WELL, I'LL GO QUICKLY, STILL, JUST STARTING OFF.

UM, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS I'M TRYING TO HIT OUT WITH THIS VERSUS JUST SUMMARIZING THE PRIOR CONCERNS.

AND THE SECOND IS I TITLED IT RHETORIC VERSUS REALITY.

UM, A LITTLE SHARP THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE SAID THAT AREN'T QUITE BEING SAID COMPLETELY, OR MAYBE NOT EVEN AS GENUINE LASER LIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO POINT OUT SOME OF THAT TODAY.

UH, FIRST THE SUMMARY OF PRIOR CONCERNS, SAFETY OF CHILDREN.

I MENTIONED THIS, UH, WE HAVE, I HAVE A SON WHO WAS BACK THERE WITH HIS FRIENDS, UH, BACK IN OUR WOODS.

I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU HAVE OTHERS, PERHAPS WALKING IN, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MO MY SON HAS FRIENDS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN CHECKED FOR ANY SORT OF POSSIBLE ISSUES.

AND I JUST WONDER WHAT THAT MIGHT DO TO THEIR SAFETY, UH, SAFETY OF OTHERS.

I'M BACK THERE A LOT, WORKING ON TREES, I'M DOING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE GETTING RID OF NOT DEVELOPING BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING, BUT GETTING RID OF HONEYSUCKLE, ADDING TREES, TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY FOR THE WILDLIFE AND FOR THE GENERAL NATURE OF A NATURAL SETTING OUT THERE.

SO I'M BACK THERE QUITE A BIT.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING HIT BY STRAIGHT DVDS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE NOW, AS WELL AS THE DRIVERS, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED, I TEND TO THINK THAT'S A CONCERN TRESPASSING.

UH, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM ROAMING ONTO OUR PROPERTIES, LITTER, UH, FROM THE GAMEPLAY FROM OTHER TRASH.

UH, AN IMPORTANT POINT WHICH HAS MADE BEFORE IS THAT AREA IS PRONE TO, ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR TO HIGH WATER AND FLOODING AND TRASH WILL QUICKLY RUN DOWN INTO THE CREEK AND INTO OUR PROPERTIES.

SO IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO STAY ON THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UH, THE PAINTBALL CAPSULES, THEY ARE TOXIC TO ANIMALS.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

UM, THE BIBI'S, UH, WHILE THE, THE BIODEGRADABLE ONES WILL DEGRADE IN TIME, IT TAKES A WHILE.

UH, AND THERE, THEY CAN STILL BE HARMFUL TO ANIMALS AS, AS MENTIONED IF AN ANIMAL WERE TO INGEST IT AND I'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AS WELL, QUALITY OF LIFE.

UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE NATURAL SETTING OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE IT IS AGRICULTURAL.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT ANY OF US, I THINK, PLANNED WHEN WE MOVED IN TO BE AN AGRICULTURAL AREA, WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO HAVE PAINFUL PEOPLE TREATING AT THEMSELVES IN THE BACKYARD.

UM, NOISE MUSIC, GUNFIRE, GRENADES THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY ECONOMICS OR PROPERTY OF VIRUS IS GOING TO DECREASE.

I DON'T SEE A LOT OF INCOME COMING IN THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.

SO FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF ECONOMIC SENSE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND THEN JUST THE FUTURE EYESORE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A, WHEN THE BUSINESS COLLAPSES.

SO THIS THAT'S JUST THE RESTATING OF THE PREVIOUS CONCERNS, UH, THE RHETORIC.

AND I WISH HE HAD THE SLIDES HERE.

I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T BRING SLIDES, WHICH ARE NOT PRESENTING ME, BUT, UM, I HAVE PICTURES, UH, THAT I THINK ARE PRETTY TELLING FROM THE G2, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE, WHAT WAS MEASURED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS WE WANT TO MAKE IT INTO A PARK-LIKE SETTING.

AND THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

AND EVEN THE, THE VISUALS THAT WERE SHOWN, UH, WITH THE COMPUTER, YOU KNOW, ANIMATED DRAWINGS OR WHATEVER, LOOKS REALLY NICE AND CLEAN.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES IN THE FACEBOOK SITE, IT'S A WAR ZONE.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, UH, USE TIRES, SCATTERED EVERYWHERE, BRUSH GROWING UP EVERYWHERE, PALLETS AND ALL KINDS OF CONFIGURATIONS EVERYWHERE.

IT'S NOT A PRETTY SIGHT, IT'S NOT A PARK.

SO, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, IT'S NICE TO SAY THESE THINGS AND WOULD WANT TO BELIEVE THEM, BUT REALITY SAYS IT'S NOT, UH, NOT THE SAME, EXCUSE ME.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN? UH, THE PICTURES THERE AT THEIR CURRENT SITE AT THE CURRENT G2 SITE WHERE THEY OPERATE TODAY IN OHIO, IN OHIO, ON ERWIN STREET? YES MA'AM.

AND THIS IS FROM THEIR, THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS.

UM, I ALSO MENTIONED THAT AS YOU DRIVE BY THE, THE NEW PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU DON'T SEE THE NICE MATERIAL USED TO MAKE THOSE NICE BUILDINGS YOU SAW HERE.

YOU SAW PILES OF TIRES, PILES OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, PALLETS.

UH, SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO CREATE THE SAME KIND OF SITUATION.

THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED, WE'LL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AGAIN.

SOUNDS GREAT.

UM, THE PICTURE IS, AGAIN WHAT SUGGESTS OTHERWISE IT'S ALSO,

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IT'S A LITTLE STRIKING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE A RULE AND THAT YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE TO DO THAT OR NOT DO THAT.

UM, SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, UM, THAT COULD HAPPEN.

NEXT THING, UH, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF POWER TECHNIQUES GRENADES AT THE LAST MEETING THAT CAME UP, UM, DURING THE DISCUSSION, IT WASN'T INITIALLY REVEALED, UH, THE FACEBOOK PAGE SAYS THEY ENJOY PUTTING ON A SHOW.

THEY LIKED TO BLOW THINGS UP.

IT SOUNDS LIKE FUN DOES NOT.

MY BACKYARD, UH, POWER WAS ALLOWED ON THE FIELD, THE 125 DECIBEL, UH, GRENADES, UH, JUST TO PUT SOME CONTEXT OF THAT.

THAT'S LIKE A ROCK CONCERT AUTO RACING SOUNDS.

SO THAT'S PRETTY LOUD AGAIN, NOT REALLY WANTING THAT MY BACKYARD, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION I THINK IS INTERESTING.

WE WILL CLOSE BEFORE DARK AND DURING THE WINTER.

UH, SO YOU GO TO THE FACEBOOK PAGE, IT SHOWS, UH, UPCOMING EVENTS, OPERATION NIGHTHAWK, UH, THAT GOES, UH, TILL 9:00 PM IN NOVEMBER.

THAT'S MORE THAN AN HOUR AFTER DARK.

UM, ALSO SAYS YOU ASKED FOR IT, WE'RE GIVING IT TO YOU WINTER GAMES, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.

SO AGAIN, RHETORIC AND REALITY.

THE NEXT, UH, INFORMATION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

UH, AGAIN, MAJOR CONCERN WITH THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.

UH, IT DOES FLOOD, UH, AND ALSO THE MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEETS THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM BALKIN CLEARLY NOT A VERY UNBIASED, UH, PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY RATE THE, UH, THE HEALTH, UH, HAZARD AS A ONE, WHICH IS NOT, NOT TOXIC.

THAT JUST MEANS IT'S ONLY SLIGHTLY HAZARDOUS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MORE HAZARDOUS THAN THE THINGS THAT ARE BACK THERE NOW.

UM, SO, UH, AND THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING I THINK IS WHEN THEY DO THESE SAFETY RATINGS, IT'S RATINGS IN TERMS OF THE HEALTH OF PEOPLE, IT'S NOT RATING THE HEALTH OF HOW, HOW IT COULD IMPACT, UH, ANIMALS.

SO, UM, AND I'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT COMING UP AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT WAS, UH, NATIONAL INSTITUTE INSTITUTE OF HEALTH HAD A REPORT FROM 2008 THAT TALKED ABOUT THESE MATERIALS, SAFETY DATA SHEETS, AND THAT THE CONTENT IS NOT INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED.

AND THEIR QUOTE IS THAT THE ACCURACY AND COMPLETENESS ARE RELATIVELY POOR.

THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THE USE OF MSDS AS, AS HAZARD COMMUNICATION TOOLS.

SO AGAIN, CONSIDER THE SOURCE OF WHO'S WRITING THESE THINGS AND WHETHER IT'S TO BE BELIEVED THE RHETORIC, WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGED BIODEGRADABLE VPS.

UM, THAT'S GREAT.

UH, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH OF THE REPORT, UH, LOOKED AT THE IMPACT ON MICE.

UH, THEY INJECTED THEM WITH THE SAME MATERIAL THAT THE PAINT BALLS ARE SURROUNDED BY THIS POLI POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL AND HALF OF THE ANIMALS HAD TO BE EUTHANIZED, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UH, THE HEALTH HAZARDS OF, TO HAVE, UM, ON THE, UH, THE MICE, UM, THE BIBI'S AGAIN, UH, IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE BIODEGRADABLE.

IT TAKES UP TO A YEAR TO A YEAR AND A HALF FOR THEM TO GROW TO GRADE.

THAT'S A LOT OF TIME FOR ANIMALS TO GET IN THERE AND FIND THESE THINGS AND EAT THEM.

AND FROM IT'S BEEN THE WASHINGTON, THE, THE CREEK.

UM, AND EVEN THOUGH WE TALK ABOUT THESE, BEEBEES BEING VERY SMALL.

IF YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 80 PEOPLE OUT THERE FIRING THOUSANDS OF THESE THINGS, YOU GET UP TO 50, TO 100 POUNDS, MAYBE A BEBE'S BEING FIRED DURING A GIVEN DAY, PERHAPS.

SO IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT.

AND MY FINAL POINT IS THE NETTING THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

UM, ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE POINTS, THE NETTING, UH, THE, THE PAINTBALL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT CAN STILL POTENTIALLY BREAK THROUGH AND JUST BREAK UP INTO SMALLER HAZARDOUS PIECES OUT.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO CATCH EVERYTHING.

SO THERE'S THAT CONCERN.

THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I FOUND IS THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO NETTING THAT'S BUILT TO STOP THE BP'S BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SMALL.

SO THE NETTING IS ONLY FOR THE PAINT BALLS.

IT DOESN'T STOP THE BEES, UM, BECAUSE THE NET IS JUST TOO BIG, JUST OFF THE BEATLES.

SO THERE'S A, UH, I HAVE A QUOTE IN HERE, BUT THERE IS NO STANDARD, UH, FOR AIRSOFT NETTING BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST TO STOP THE, UH, THE BEBE'S.

AND MY FINAL POINT IS THE TALK OF USING VEGETATION TO STOP THE, THE PAINT BALLS OR THE BEEBEES IS GREAT.

UM, AS I LOOK OUT MY WINDOW TODAY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VEGETATION OUT THERE, UH, PRETTY MUCH FROM OCTOBER TO APRIL, THERE'S NO VEGETATION.

SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THE YEAR WHEN THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP HIM.

SO, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? CHRISTOPHER KAYLOR, K O E H L E R.

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I AM THE OWNER OF THE BICENTENNIAL BARN WEDDING VENUE, WHICH IS ONE MORE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT DIDN'T GET MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT I'M ABOUT 250 FEET AWAY.

THE BORDER OF MY PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, UM, WE'RE OPENING MAY OF 2022.

WE HAVE SOME 40 WEDDINGS BOOKED, SOME WILL BE OUTDOORS.

OUR BUSINESS MEETS THE ZONING FOR THE LAND THAT IT'S ON.

IT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO WHEN I BOUGHT IT, UM, BEING A DEVELOPER.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT EASY TO COME IN HERE AND FIGHT FOR THIS SORT OF THING, BUT IF IT DID, IF IT MET THE CODE, IN MY OPINION, I WOULD SHUT MY MOUTH, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR 1, 1, 3, 5.

AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK HERE.

THERE'S TWO ITEMS THAT MR. SORRELL DIDN'T MENTION.

AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT HE DID MENTION THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE MORE POINTS ON.

SO, 1, 1, 3, 5, UH, SECTION 10, THE THIRD, UM, REQUIREMENT SHALL BE DESIGNED CONSTRUCTION OPERATED AND MAINTAINED.

SO AS TO BE HARMONIOUS AND APPROPRIATE IN APPEARANCE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER, UM, THE EXISTING CHARACTER IS LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND A WEDDING VENUE.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT AGAIN, THE PITCHERS ON THE G2 TACTICAL FACEBOOK PAGE, THE VERSUS THE, THE PICTURES AND THOSE SLIDES, THE PICTURES IN THE SLIDES KIND OF LOOK LIKE MY WEDDING VENUE, THE PICTURES ON THE WEBPAGE.

I W WE GOT THE, THE RANDOM TIRES MENTIONED ITS DEBRIS SPRAY PAINT, GRAFFITI, MORE TIRES, DUDES WITH GUNS AND BANDANAS OVER THEIR FACES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE ODD WARMING FIRE IN A BARREL.

UM, IT REALLY MAKES THAT STORAGE FACILITY LOOK LIKE THE PALACE OF VERSAILLES, IN MY OPINION.

AND YOU NEED TO LOOK, I MEAN, BEFORE YOU VOTE, LOOK AT THE G2 TACTICAL FACEBOOK PAGE PICTURES.

IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS WHAT'S IN THOSE SLIDES.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE SAME STUFF.

LIKE WE BATTLED PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYONE IN LIKE THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, VANDALS, THIEVES COMING INTO THE BICENTENNIAL BARN.

AND WE CALL THE POLICE PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, BUT NONE OF THAT OTHER STUFF HAPPENED AT OUR SITE.

SO IT DOESN'T MEET 1, 1, 3 0.5, SECTION 10, ITEM THREE, ITEM FOUR SHALL NOT BE HAZARDOUS OR DISTURBING TO EXISTING OR FUTURING.

NEIGHBORING USES HAZARDOUS.

UM, NEIGHBORING USE A HIGHWAY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROMISE WE CAN NEVER HAVE A PELLET GO OFF SITE.

WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE PELLET HITS A CAR WINDOW AND DISTURBING TO EXISTING USES OUR EXISTING USE IS A WEDDING VENUE.

WE WILL HAVE OUTDOOR WEDDINGS.

YOU KNOW, THE DECIBEL LEVEL.

I DO NOT FEEL LIKE THE DECIBEL LEVEL DISCUSSED IN THE SLIDES WAS ACCURATE.

THERE'S THERE'S MULTIPLE ISSUES HERE.

THE HIGHWAY IS A LOW FREQUENCY, CONTINUOUS HUM.

IT IS BLOCKED BY DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE MASS, LIKE DRY WALL AND BRICK WILL BLOCK THE HIGHWAY NOISE.

THIS IS A HIGH FREQUENCY BURST.

IF YOU GOOGLE AIRSOFT GUN DECIBEL LEVEL, LIKE THE FIRST THING I SAW RECOMMEND ME A LOUD ASS AIRSOFT GUN.

LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT THE ONE 20 TO ONE 50 DECIBELS, LIKE THE DECIBEL PROPAGATION OVER SOUND.

IT'S AN INVERSE SQUARE.

SO EVERY TIME YOU DOUBLE THE DISTANCE FROM THE SOURCE, YOU DROPPED SIX DECIBELS TO GO RIGHT IN THAT MIDDLE OF THAT RANGE, SAY 121 50, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE 1 35, YOU WILL BE AT 95 TO A HUNDRED DECIBELS WHERE YOU, WHEN YOU HIT MY OUTDOOR WEDDING AREA.

UM, AND YEAH, IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S LEGAL, IT'S LEGAL.

IF YOU PASS IT, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

SO YEAH, I CAN'T HAVE GUNFIRE GOING OFF IN SOMEBODY'S WEDDING.

IT'S A DISTURBING TO USE THE LANGUAGE FROM THE CODE DISTURBING TO EXISTING OR FUTURE NEIGHBORING USES.

IT'S ALREADY AFFECTING OUR NEIGHBORING USE BRIDES.

KNOW ABOUT THIS.

I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT THIS ALREADY.

SO IT'S ALREADY DISTURBING OUR USE THAT'S 1, 1, 3, 5 POINT 10 NUMBER FOUR.

AND THE LAST ONE I MENTIONED IS NUMBER SIX,

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OPERATION NOT SHALL BE DETRIMENTAL TO ANY PERSONS PROPERTY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE BY REASON OF EXCESSIVE PRODUCTION OF TRAFFIC, COMMA NOISE, COMMA, SMOKE, FUMES, GLARE, OR ODORS.

IT'S THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN.

IT'S THE NOISE AND IT IT'S, IT DOESN'T MEET 1, 1, 3, 5 POINT TEN THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE.

BUT IT'S SO BLATANT.

I'M HONESTLY NOT REALLY EVEN THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT HERE.

LIKE THANK YOU CHARLIE RICE OR ICE.

I LIVE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

UM, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT FOR ME TO SAY, UM, MR. MOORE, UH, COVERED IT PRETTY GOOD.

AND I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE WEDDING HOUSE THERE, WHICH I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF, UH, CARRIAGE HILL, UH, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE, CLOSE TO THE BRIDGE.

UM, AND NOT TO CORRECT YOU MR. MOORE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE, UH, 545 DAYS, UH, TO TAKE THE BBS AND TO HAVE THEM BE BIODEGRADABLE INDUSTRY GROUND.

THERE ALSO IS THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BEEBEES THERE'S YOU CAN BUY BIODEGRADABLE OR YOU CAN BUY REGULAR IT'S ABOUT A 10 TO 30% MORE TO BUY BIODEGRADABLE, BUT THEY STILL ARE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT BIODEGRADABLE.

AND I WOULD GUESS MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE WOULD GO FOR THE CHEAPER ROUND.

UH, ANOTHER THING ON SKIDS OR PALLETS.

UH, I WAS IN A BUSINESS OF WAREHOUSING FOR SOME TIME.

AND A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS PRESSURE TREATED WOOD, AND IT COMES FROM OVERSEAS AND IT CAN HAVE A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN IT FOR TO KILL INSECTS AND OTHER THINGS.

AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY COME FROM.

YOU JUST GATHERED THEM FROM THE SKID ROW.

THEY CALL IT WHERE YOU GET THEM FOR TWO OR $3, OR YOU CAN GO GET THEM FREE DOWN AT A RURAL KING.

THE FINAL THING IS VERY AMBITIOUS, UH, FOR THEM TO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AN 800 OR $900,000 HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROPERTY THERE THAT I SAW THE PICTURE IS VERY IMPRESSIVE.

BUT AGAIN, AND THEY MENTIONED A QUARTER, A QUARTER MILE TO GO BACK TO THE LAND FROM TAYLORSVILLE.

WELL, I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY SO I COULD HAVE JOINED BY ENJOY MY PROPERTY.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO UP TO THE MAILBOX ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

SO YOU GUYS COULD MAKE NOISE IN THE BACK.

I GO THE BACK LOT.

I HANG OUT BACK THERE.

I HUNT BACK THERE.

SO IF I'M SITTING THERE WAITING FOR A DEER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN POP UP, POP, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO END AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT URBAN ROAD.

WAS IT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT URBAN ROAD.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UBER HIKES RIGHT HERE, WHERE WE LIVE.

I CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THERE AND DATE.

IT THAT'S THE REASON I LIVED DOWN THERE.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, I, LIKE I SAID, MR. MORA TOOK MOST OF MY AMMO.

SO ALL I GOTTA DO IS USE THE PHONE AND YOU'LL LEARN A LOT ABOUT THE BEBE'S AND STUFF.

THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT SIZES, TYPES, DIFFERENT POWERS OF GUNS AND THEY, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN CHEAT ON THEM.

YOU CAN MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE POWERFUL IF YOU WANT.

SO THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SONY CASE? MY NAME IS CAROL TAVENNER T A V E N E R.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD.

THIS SHERYL WILL BE 50 YEARS.

WE BUILT OUR HOUSE.

WE ARE THERE NOW BECAUSE WE LIKED WHERE WE'RE LIVING.

WE LIKED THE NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP A TEMPORARY BUILDING SUPPORT A JOHN GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.

AND HE SAID IT WOULD TAKE MAYBE THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

THAT'S A LONG TIME AND BEING OPEN TO EIGHT HOURS A WEEK AND THREE TO FIVE YEARS, THAT WOULD MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY TO BUILD ALL OF THAT.

I I'M MAKING A MOM, BUT I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

AND WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO TELL PEOPLE, OH, YOU GO TO THE CORNER OF BELFAST AND TAYLORSVILLE.

YOU GO NORTH ON BELL, FOUNTAIN THE ROAD, YOU GO THROUGH THE NICE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND PHONE RIGHT THERE.

WE ARE BY 70.

I MEAN, DO YOU WANT THIS IN YOUR BACKYARD? I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WOULD.

I MEAN, WE'D BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PROPERTY IS MORE ADJACENT TO IT THAN WHERE WE ARE.

NO, I WAS AGAINST THEM.

WE WAS HERE THREE MONTHS AGO AND THE THINGS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, I'M MORE AGAINST IT.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

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MY NAME IS WHITE WHITEHEAD.

I LIVE RIGHT NOW AT ST.

MARYANNE AND I LIVE ON BELT MOUNTAIN ROAD.

AND I DO NOT WANT, I HAVE, MY HOUSE HAS GOT KEGGED PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES FROM PAINT LAWS FROM BEFORE.

AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE RECORDS FROM WHEN THE, WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU COULD FIND THAT, BUT YOU MOVE OUT TO DIG.

BUT THE THING IS YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE PEOPLE WOULD DO.

LEAVING THERE, GOING HOME OR VICE VERSA.

IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT.

HAVING A BAR, YOU GOT A BAR, YOU CAN'T CONTROL HOW MUCH BRUISE THE GUY DRANK AND WRECKED HIS CAR COMING OUT OF THERE.

I'VE HAD CARS IN MY CAR AND MY YARD.

I'VE HAD CARS GOING THROUGH THE DITCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DON'T WANT THAT NOW.

AND I SURE AS HECK DON'T WANT MY HOUSE GET KANG BY SOME STUPID PAINTBALL GUN.

MY NAME IS ANNE LEACH, L E A C H.

AND I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, THEY NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN TYPES OF GUNS, GRENADES, CERTAIN, UH, THINGS TO USE.

MY QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO INSPECT THEIR EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE USING.

GOOD QUESTION.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING THIS, THIS MAN I'M KIM WILLIAMSON.

W I L L I A M S O N.

AND I LIVE ON TAYLORSVILLE.

WE BOUGHT OUR HOME THERE AND LIKE THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS HERE.

UM, WE WERE HERE BACK IN OCTOBER.

AND PART OF THIS FOR ME IS THAT CHANGING.

I KNOW IT WAS TABLED AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT CHANGING IT FROM THE ZONE TO A SPECIAL USE, DOESN'T CHANGE ME AS A HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENT, MY OPPOSITION TO THIS.

AND THAT IS ONE THING I WOULD LIKE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GET A LOT, YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF LETTERS, BUT, UM, FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE OWNERS WERE NOT FROM HUBER.

THEY WERE FROM LOUISBURG OR GREENVILLE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

AND I'M SAYING, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS OPPOSITION VERSUS THAT.

AND HAVING THIS IN OUR BACKYARD BECAUSE OF A, THE, UM, ENVIRONMENT ARE WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BACK AREA THAT WE SPEND LOTS OF TIME IN.

WE DON'T HUNT THE DEER, WE FEED THEM.

SO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE FOXES DEER.

WE WATCH THEM ON OUR CAMERAS.

UM, PARTS OF MY QUESTIONS ON THIS IS THINGS LIKE, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO ASSUME, OR IT'S NOT LIKELY, OR WE CAN'T IMAGINE THAT COULD HAPPEN ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE NOT SO GENERALIZED BECAUSE IF A CAR AND YOU WERE LOOKING IN ONE OF THOSE VIDEOS, YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF EVERYBODY HERE HAS WALKED AROUND TO LOOK.

THE ONE SLIDE THAT THEY SHOWED LOOKS LIKE A JUNKYARD.

I MEAN, IT REALLY DID.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE HIGHWAY.

AND I'M SURE DURING THE WINTER WITH WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE SHORTER PROPERTIES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE TREES.

SO I DON'T WANT THAT IN MY BACKYARD, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

IF YOU HAPPEN TO APPROVE THIS, WHICH I'M HOPING YOU DO NOT, WILL THERE BE A SURVEYOR REQUIRING A SURVEY OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE CAMERA'S SHOWING PEOPLE ALREADY COMING INTO THE PROPERTIES.

THEY'VE CAUGHT THEM ON CAMERAS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

THERE WAS A SPEAKER FROM ANOTHER, UM, SIMILAR BUSINESS THAT YOU WERE IN BUSINESS WITH.

I CAN'T REMEMBER.

AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DECIMAL SOUNDS AND THE LOUDNESS AND HOW, HOW LOUD IT REALLY IS, WHICH THEY BROUGHT UP.

IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION, IN THEIR OWN SPEECH, THEY BACKTRACKED ON THE FEET, THE 200 FOOT LENGTH THAT A GUN COULD, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED A GUN COULD SHOOT, COULD GO UP TO 200 FEET.

SO IT COULD NOT LIKELY OR POSSIBLY

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HIT A CAR OR EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, KIDS PLAYING IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, RIDING THEIR FOUR WHEELERS AND STUFF BACK THERE.

UM, I QUESTIONED THE FIRE MARSHAL'S REPORT, WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP, I MEAN, IS THEY OBVIOUSLY MADE THAT, UM, MADE THAT I WOULD WANT MORE, I GUESS, MORE OF AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE REALITY OF THAT.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT, UM, BREACHING THE PEACE PROPERTY VALUES, UM, AND JUST NOT WANTING A PYRO DISPLAY IN, IN OUR BACKYARDS.

THAT'S ALL, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YOU'RE RIGHT ON A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WHAT IF THESE SCENARIOS, WHAT IF THIS HAPPENS? WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS? YOU KNOW, DO WE NOT APPROVE BARS BECAUSE, OR RESTAURANTS BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT DO SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE CAN DO HERE.

UM, ARE WE TRYING TO MITIGATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN YET? I HEARD A LOT ABOUT PYRO.

WE ALREADY CAN'T.

WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THAT.

THAT'S ALREADY, CURRENTLY NOT IN THE PLAN AS IT'S PRESENTED TODAY, BECAUSE AS WE FOUND OUT, SURPRISINGLY, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, GUNS AND, YOU KNOW, WILDLIFE, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY HUNTING BACK THERE AND SHOOTING TOWARDS THE INTERSTATE WITH, WITH WEAPONS, THINGS THAT SHOOT A THOUSAND TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN WHAT OUR TOY GUNS, OUR TOY REPLICA WILL DO.

IT JUST, IT JUST ISN'T POSSIBLE.

A 12 GAUGE FLUG IS COMING AT YOU AT 350, OR SORRY, 3,500 JEWELS.

AND IT'S LIKE THE RICHTER SCALE.

WE'RE AT 2.5.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT IT'S, IT JUST CAN'T TRAVEL THAT FAR.

AND WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THIS PASSED.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO COME OUT AND WE CAN SHOW WHAT THESE REPLICAS DO AND WHAT THEY DON'T DO.

I DON'T THINK IT REALLY IS QUITE A TOY.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT, UM, BIG QUESTION, I THINK, WHICH WAS A GREAT QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT WHO IS MONITORING.

WE HAVE THESE RULES IN PLACE AND WHO'S CHECKING THAT, RIGHT? SO G2 IS A BUSINESS RUNNING A BUSINESS HAS INSURANCE, RIGHT? AND OUR INSURANCE DICTATES YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE GOGGLES.

THEY HAVE TO BE RATED.

CAUSE THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE, SOMEBODY GETS HURT OR THEY WANT TO DO AN AUDIT.

THEY CAN COME AND LOOK AT HOW WE OPERATE.

THAT'S HE'S CONTROLLING US.

PLUS IF SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING AND SUES THE COMPANY, RIGHT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

AND SO NOBODY WANTS TO GET SUED.

NOBODY WANTS SOMEBODY TO GET HURT.

SO THAT'S THE INCENTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RULES ARE BEING FOLLOWED.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, NO ONE'S GOING TO INSURE US.

THAT'S THAT'S BOTTOM DOLLAR.

THAT'S HOW BUSINESS WORKS.

UM, THE WEDDING VENUE, I CONSIDERED THAT AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? I THINK THE G2 GUYS, UH, THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS RUIN SOMEONE'S SPECIAL DAY.

RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, THEY HAVE A BOOK, UH, OF SCHEDULES.

UH, I THINK THEY'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT.

UH, AND IT IS QUITE FAR AWAY.

AND IF YOU DO CHECK THEIR WEBSITE, UH, ONE OF THEIR THINGS THAT SAYS, THERE'S A QUESTION IN THEIR FACTS, UH, IS THERE A SOUND ORDINANCE FOR THEM AND THEIR RESPONSES? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS.

SO THEY WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT BEING CONCERNED WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE TRYING, WE REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

UM, I THINK THE SITE THAT YOU SEE AT IRWIN, UM, I WISH YOU COULD'VE SEEN IT PRIOR TO, AND THAT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A TEMPORARY FACILITY.

UM, THAT WAS ALWAYS A SHORT-TERM LEASE.

IT WAS REALLY ROUGH.

IT TOOK A LOT OF STUFF TO CLEAN UP AND SOME OF THOSE PICTURES YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.

SOME SUB TRASH THERE, AND THAT'S TRASH THAT WAS LEFT FROM THE SITE AFTER DECADES OF BEING DUMPED BY PEOPLE COMING DOWN THERE AND DUMPING.

AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE INDICATIVE OF WHAT'S TRYING TO HAPPEN.

THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A GOOD SITE AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND, AND I HEAR, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH AN APPROVAL, IT BECOMES A RELATIONSHIP

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WITH NEIGHBORS WITH EVERYONE, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU'RE HUNTING, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'S WAYS TO WORK THAT OUT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, DEER, SEASON'S COMING UP.

LET'S YOU KNOW, WHAT DAYS ARE YOU FREE HUNTING? RIGHT? THOSE ARE EASY THINGS TO OVERCOME JUST BY BEING NEIGHBORLY.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE PHOTOS AND HOW, AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THOSE PHOTOS ARE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE TAKING, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER WITH, WITH THAT, UM, FACILITY THAT WE WERE CURRENTLY AT THE WAY THE CONDITION WAS.

I MEAN, IT'S AN ABANDONED PLACE.

IT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR 40 YEARS.

WE MADE THIS LITTLE CAUCUS NOW IT'S COMPLETELY EMPTY NOW BECAUSE WE MOVED OUT.

WE MOVED ALL OF OUR STUFF OUT, UM, IN ANTICIPATION FOR THIS.

UM, BUT WE'VE MOVED TO DUMPSTER TRAILERS FULL OF TRASH OUT THERE.

UM, THE CURRENT OWNER ALSO HAD A BUNCH OF RUBBLE AND STUFF MOVED OUT OF THERE.

AND, UM, THAT PLACE LOOKS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE FELT WAS THE BEST SUIT FOR THAT.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE CALL OF DUTY AND STUFF THAT WAS BEST SUITED FOR THAT.

LOOK NOW JUST BECAUSE I GREW UP IN A TRAILER, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN I MOVE OUT SOME DAY, I'M GONNA HAVE A TRAILER HOUSE I CAN IMPROVE.

I CAN MAKE BETTER THINGS.

I CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.

I CAN MAKE A BETTER HOUSE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

WE'RE MAKING A BETTER HOUSE.

AND WHILE SOME, SOMEONE MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT THAT WHOLE BAR MAY HAVE BEEN 300 OR $800,000, THAT'S JUST A GENERALIZATION OF THAT BEST RESEMBLED WHAT WE THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THERE.

WE WANT IT TO LOOK NICE.

WE WANT TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING.

WE WANTED TO HAVE A NICE RESTAURANT FACILITY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT WE GO TO THAT DON'T HAVE THIS STUFF.

THEY ARE LITERAL DUMPS SOME OF THESE PLACES.

AND WE DON'T WANT THAT STANDARD TO BEAT OUR FIELD.

WE HAVE ALWAYS STRIVED TO BE BETTER.

IT'S TAKEN US THREE YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE BOUGHT THE LAND.

WE MAKE GOOD MONEY DOING THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF US ARE JUST VOLUNTEERS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT GOES RIGHT BACK INTO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

WE WANT, WHAT'S BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

WE WANT TO COMPLY AND HELP THE NEIGHBORS OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE.

WE MENTIONED ALREADY, WE WOULD PUT UP A FENCE LINE, A NETTING ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER SO THAT NOBODY WOULD GET HIT THAT'S IN MY PROPOSAL.

IT'S UH, I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK THAT, UM, THAT POWERPOINT SLIDE I PUT IN THERE THAT IS ON THERE.

SO YOU COULD PUT CON SO THE CONDITIONS NEED TO BE RELATED TO, TO THE, TO THE USE IN THE OPERATION.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

SO SINCE THE LAST MEETING, WE'VE HAD THREE MONTHS WHERE THEY'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

WE'VE HAD ZERO CONTACT.

WE REJECT BARS AND RESTAURANTS, IF THEY WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE AND THEY DO NOT MEET ALL CRITERIA.

AND 1, 1, 3, 5, SORRY.

AND 1, 1, 3, 5 0.10, WHICH THIS DOES NOT.

AND YEAH, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS LEARNING CASE.

UM, THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, BUT I'M OLD AND I CAN'T HEAR VERY WELL.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

UM, IS THERE A TIMELINE, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS? DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS? AND IF THEY DID NOT REACH THIS TIMELINE, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCES? UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE REALLY ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE TIMELINE.

SO IF, IF THIS DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITHIN A YEAR, THE SPECIAL USE APPROVAL WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE REJECTED.

I THINK SHE MEANS GOING FROM TEMPORARY STRUCTURES TO PERMANENT STRUCTURES.

UM, SO THAT, YEAH, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT QUESTION IS PROBABLY BETTER DIRECTED TO THE APPLICANT.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, IT'S INTENDED TO HAPPEN, NOT WILL HAPPEN BY, RIGHT.

BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD PUT A NUMBER IN THERE SO THAT THE TEMPORARY BUILDING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN X NUMBER OF YEARS OR

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SO YOU COULD SAY THAT THE RESTROOM FACILITIES, THE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS NEED TO BE ON ONSITE AND OPERATIONAL BEFORE IT'S OPEN FOR BUSINESS, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PHRASE THAT, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, UM, TO SAY THAT THE, THE, HOW DO I PUT THIS, THE, UH, ASPIRATIONAL UPGRADES, UM, UH, MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN X YEARS OR THE SPECIAL USE GETS REVOKED? I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE WISE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.

YOU SAID YOU, YOU WOULD THINK OR WOULD NOT THINK I'M SO I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT ADVISE GOING DOWN THAT PATH KIND OF GIVES US HIM FOREVER.

SO WHEN, WHEN I SAY, WELL, YES AND NO.

SO WHAT I, WHAT I HAD PUT IN, IN MY STAFF REPORT WAS, YOU KNOW, AT, AT CERTAIN MILESTONES, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, TO REVISIT THIS.

SO, UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS, UM, AND I THINK THESE ARE GENUINE IN SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO GROW THIS TO, TO SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT THAN JUST TO TWO LOW SHEDS AND A COUPLE OF PORTLETS.

UM, THEN AT THAT NEXT POINT, THAT NEXT DECISION POINT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY IF, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CONDITIONS ARE WRITTEN FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, YOU KNOW, REASSESS HOURS OF OPERATION AND HOW THE, HOW THE, THE F THE THING IS WORKING OPPORTUNITY FOR NEIGHBORS TO, TO COMMENT, ET CETERA.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST, AND I'M PUTTING MY NON HAT ON TO, UH, TO TIE, UH, THE INTENDED, UM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE POTENTIAL PULLING AWAY OR PULLING BACK, OR, OR, UH, ELIMINATING A SPECIAL USE APPROVAL AFTER IT'S BEEN GIVEN.

I THINK THAT'S DANGEROUS.

I, BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.

YOU HAVE A COMMENT, WHICH IS ONE QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR MR. SWELL, IF I MAY, IN THE SPECIAL USE, IF THIS WAS TO BE APPROVED, RIGHT.

AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION, OR THE NINE TO FIVE, UH, WE CURRENTLY, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE FUTURE WE'LL EVER BE ABLE TO USE PYROTECHNICS.

UM, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS STARTED GETTING HIT WITH BBS AND THEY WERE THEY GETTING INTO THESE, UH, INTO THEIR YARDS AND COMPLAINTS, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE THE CITY THE AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, CEASING OPERATIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE, UH, THE, THE, IF THERE WERE VIOLATIONS OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, OR, UM, THERE WERE INSTANCES OF NUISANCE ACTIONS AND SO, AND SO FORTH, THE, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, UH, ENFORCEMENT.

UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO DOWN THE LINE, IT WOULD BE CHATTING WITH THE OPERATORS.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THE, THE ESCALATING PENALTIES WOULD CULMINATE IF THE ISSUES WEREN'T ADDRESSED, UH, TO THE SPECIAL USE, UM, BEING TERMINATED, WHICH WOULD BE SOUND AND ALL THAT.

SO IT WAS, AND WE WERE TO VIOLATE THAT.

SO IT WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO, TO FOLLOW WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED, OR YOU CAN TAKE IT AWAY IF IT WAS TO BE GRANTED THROUGH, THROUGH A, UH, THROUGH A PROCESS.

WHEN OUR BB IS SIX MILLIMETER, WE ACTUALLY USE A HIGHER GRADE NET, WHICH HAS, UH, A SPACING OF ONE 16TH OF AN INCH, WHICH IS WAY SMALLER THAN SIX MILLIMETER.

IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY GET REVOKED.

I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF GOING TOWARDS YOUR QUESTION.

WAS IT? YEAH.

AND DOES THAT PROCESS, UM, TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME, YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY THE SPECIAL USE THE FIRST TIME YOU CAN EITHER FIND THEM, OR SO THERE'S A DUE PROCESS AND I'M, I'M, I WOULD NEED TO TALK WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT HOW, UH, THIS HAS BEEN HANDLED IN THE PAST, BUT THERE'S A DUE PROCESS FOR THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY USE, YOU TRY TO GET COMPLIANCE FIRST.

UH, AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION, ZONING CODE OUTLINES, THE NUMBER OF DAYS IT DOES.

UH, IT JUST, SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD TO LOOK THAT UP YET.

I'M ON WEEK ONE OF THE JOB.

OH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD REAL QUICK TO ONE PERSON MENTIONED ABOUT OUR NETTING.

UM, THERE ARE PAINTBALL AND AIRSOFT NETTINGS, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD NOT STOP A BV.

WE DON'T USE THAT NETTING BECAUSE IT'S STUPID TO USE A NETTING THAT HAS AN, A SQUARE OF SIX MILLIMETER.

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AND THAT'S WHY OUR KNITTING WORKS REALLY WELL AGAINST PROTECTING BEBE'S FROM STRAYING OUT, OR, UM, A LOT OF PAINT FROM FLYING OUT BB D UH, PAINTBALL DEBRIS IS FROM FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT WORKS REALLY GOOD AT THAT STUFF, AND IT'S FLAME RETARDED.

SO IT HAS ALL THE BEST OF ALL THE WORLDS I BELIEVE.

AND IF WE COULD EVEN FIND A BETTER OPTION THAN THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO THAT TOO.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH WHAT'S AVAILABLE, UM, WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE LAW AS WELL.

AND ANYTHING THAT'S REASONABLE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS ZONING CASE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, DARREN SCHMIDT FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE OF THE AGRICULTURAL CODE TO ALLOW FOR AN AIRSOFT AND PAINTBALL FACILITY FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 78 60 BEL FONTAINE ROAD ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO ONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JANUARY 15TH, 2022, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO, UM, BEFORE WE HAVE EMOTION, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE DECISION RECORD.

DOES THAT HAVE EVERYTHING, ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD WANT, IF THIS WERE TO BE PASSED? WHAT WAS, FOR INSTANCE, HE JUST MENTIONED THE NETTING THAT, THAT COMES, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, WE COULDN'T REQUIRE THAT THEY GET THE SMALLER NETTING.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD TO THE DECISION RECORD? WELL, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING YOU SAID THEY ACTUALLY USE THAT ALREADY.

THEY ACTUALLY ALREADY USED THE SMALLER NET INCORRECT.

IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT.

I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO PUT IT IN THERE TO HAVE IT IN WRITING, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE SUBMITTED PLAN ALREADY, BUT IF NOT, IF IT'S NOT IN THERE THEN YEAH.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

AND IT'S WHAT THEY ALREADY USE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE ANY OBJECTION THERE.

I'M SURE.

UH, THE, UM, WELL, I GUESS WE GO BY THE ZONING CODE AS FAR AS THE TEMPORARY STUFF.

SO WE CAN'T SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT, BUT THE THREE TO FIVE YEARS TO ME IS WAY TOO LONG.

THE FIVE, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT OUT FIVE YEARS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLACE, IT NEEDS TO BE READY TO GO BEFORE FIVE YEARS.

BUT IF THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S WE CAN HANDLE THEN, UH, PASS ON THAT.

UM, PARTICULARLY THE PORTA-POTTY, UH, IS THERE, UH, IS THERE ANY, YES, THERE IS.

WHENEVER THEY TAKE THE WATER LINE THROUGH THERE, THEY HAVE TO CONNECT TO IT.

WELL, NO, IT'S WHEN THEY BUILD THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE, NOT WHEN THE WATER LINE GOES THROUGH.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

MR. SOAR IS IN THAT CORRECT THOUGH.

THE, THE, THE TEMPORARY RESTROOMS PORT WE'LL CALL IT THE PORTAL IT'S THAT IS THERE UNTIL THEY BUILD THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE, NOT UNTIL THE WATER LINE COMES THROUGH.

CAUSE THE WATER LINE WILL LIKELY BE THERE BEFORE THE STRUCTURE, CORRECT? YEAH, BECAUSE IF THERE'S A PARENTAL STRUCTURE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SEPTIC SYSTEMS, LEACH FIELDS, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO THAT'S MORE, A MORE DELIBERATE PROCESS THAN WHERE WE'RE AT.

HAD OUTLINED IN HER REVIEW THAT WE WOULD NEED, THOSE WOULD BE THE QUALIFIERS FOR US IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE ISSUES THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

I KNOW THE PYROTECHNICS HAVE BEEN, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN THE, UH, IN HERE ALREADY? YES, PLEASE.

OUR S OUR ISSUES THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR WHAT'S IN THE REVIEW, LIKE THE DRIVEWAY THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF TURNS IN THERE.

WE WILL NEED A DRAWING, A DETAILED DRAWING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD, THE THICKNESS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRUCKS CAN GET ONTO THE ROAD.

UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRUCKS CAN TURN INTO THE ROAD.

UH, AND THE, THE GENERAL AGREEMENT OF WHEREVER THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A HYDRANT WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THOSE BUILDINGS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

UH, SO LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST THING WE NEED, AND THEN ALSO THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF, UH, THERE WERE SOME BARRIERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, UH, MS. SUE SONG

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AND I IMAGINE AARON CAN ANSWER BETTER THAN I CAN, THAT THESE CONDITIONS COULD BE PUT INTO WHATEVER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THIS, THIS, AND THIS.

AND THEY'RE ALREADY A PART OF THE FIRE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING SPECIAL HERE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR WELL-CONSTRUCTED ROADWAY.

I BELIEVE IT CAN BE GRAVEL, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN THICKNESS TO HOLD A 50,000 POUND TRUCK.

THAT WAS ON NUMBER EIGHT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? MY MS. THOMAS IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE RULE.

THIS IS THOMAS.

NO, MR. JEFFRIES.

NO, MRS. MARGO.

YES, THIS IS MR. WALTON.

NO, THE MOTION IS DENIED FOUR TO ONE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO START OFF WITH YOUR SURE.

I MEAN, I THINK WITH THE LETTER FROM CHIEF KNISELY, UH, UH, SAY IT WILL LIKELY CREATE A DEMAND FOR INCREASED SERVICES, 1171.

SO NOT IMPOSE AN UNDUE BURDEN, UM, SHALL NOT INVOLVE USE OF ACTIVITIES THAT GENERATE SMOKE AND FUMES.

THE PICTURES FROM THEIR WEBSITE HAS SMOKE IN THE FIELD OF PLAY ALREADY.

UM, AND I DO AGREE WITH MR. KOHLER OR KAYLA ON THE 1135, I'D ACTUALLY CIRCLED PART OF THAT MYSELF, AS FAR AS HOW IT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORING AREAS, UH, THE CURRENT AND EXISTING USE AS WELL AS I'D ACTUALLY CIRCLED IT UP.

SORRY, GOT A LOT OF PAPERS UP HERE.

THE PRODUCTION OF NOISE, TRAFFIC NOISE AND SMOKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.

AND THEN ALSO WITHIN OUR CODE YEAH.

SHALL BE HARMONIOUS AND APPROPRIATE AND APPEARANCE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER IN GENERAL FACILITY.

I DON'T THINK TEMPORARY BUILDINGS, PORTA, JOHNS TOSSING, THOSE KIND OF AREAS.

HAS, IS IT AT ALL SIMILAR TO THE GENERAL VICINITY? I CAN CONCUR YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER DENY FOUR TO ONE NEXT ITEM UNDER OUR AGENDA COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE APPLICANT LWCC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL.

TAKE ALL YOUR WATER.

THAT'S WHY I SAY PUT IT IN WHEN YOU'RE WELCOME.

TERRY SHARES.

WE WERE JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT.

WE NEED TO FIND OUT.

NEXT ITEM UNDER, UH, ON, ON THE AGENDA IS A COMBINED BASIC AND THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN DID THE APPLICANT L WC INC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 4.0 ACRES FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 62 43 BRANDT PIKE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW LIBRARY ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO FIVE.

SURE.

OF MIAMI VALLEY WAY AND, UH, AND BRAND PIPE, UM, THE, UH, OKAY, SO THAT A LITTLE OVER 26,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, IT'S 34 FEET AT ITS HIGHEST PEAK.

SO THIS IS A, UH, AS YOU SAID, AN APPLICATION COMBINED BASIC AND, UM, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR A NEW NEW LIBRARY, THE HUBER HEIGHTS BRANCH, UH, IT'S 26, 20 6,617 SQUARE FOOT, A NEW LIBRARY ON FOUR ACRES.

THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT LAND.

UM, THE CITY AND DATE METRO LIBRARY HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, THIS DEAL FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

UH, THE ADJACENT LANDS ARE ZONE PLANNED, UH, MIXED USE.

UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST, UH, FACILITIES THAT, UH, DAYTON METRO LIBRARY IS, UH, IS CONSTRUCTING, UH, GOES WAY BACK TO, UH, THE ORIGINAL, NEARLY $200 MILLION BOND ISSUE THAT WAS, UM, APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN 2012.

SO THIS IS THE SITE AT THE CORNER

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UM, AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE BRANT PIPE CURB CUT THAT, THAT, UH, SERVICED THAT SHOPPING CENTER THAT USED TO BE THERE WILL BE ELIMINATED AND THE ACCESS WILL MOVE TO MIAMI VALLEY WAY.

UM, THERE IS A SLIGHT BUILDING, UH, ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 50 YARD, OR EXCUSE ME, 50 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN ALTERNATIVE FRONT LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO SOME OF THE REQUIRED, UH, STREET TREES THAT WOULD BE BUILT ON OR PLANTED ALONG A RANT PIPE.

SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

UM, LET'S SEE THE ACCESS OFF OF, UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY.

UH, THE PARKING IS IN, IS IN THE REAR.

THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, UM, UH, SPACES.

THEY MEET, UH, ALL OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY.

UM, THE, I THINK I HAVE IN THE NEXT SLIDE, THE ENCROACHMENT IS, UM, A LITTLE TOUGH TO SEE.

SO LET ME WALK OVER HERE.

BUILDING SETBACK LINE, IS THIS A DOTTED RED LINE? UM, ENCROACH ENCROACHMENT IS THE GATHERING SPOT HERE ALONG WITH THE OVERHANG, WHICH ACTUALLY BRINGS OUT THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE FURTHER OUT ONTO, UH, CLOSER TO RAMP PIPE.

IT ALSO SERVES THE BRAIN GUN, THE MASSEY, UM, THE, ON THE BROWN WALL, UM, OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS NEARLY 270 FEET LONG.

UM, STAFF IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MINOR ENCROACHMENT.

WE THINK IT'S GOOD TO BRING THE BUILDING AND THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE STREET ALSO DOES A GOOD JOB OF BREAKING UP A PRETTY LONG, UH, WALL SECTION.

UH, THIS IS AN ELEVATION FROM THE WEST, SO THIS WOULD BE THE PARKING LOT, UH, ENTRANCE.

UH, THIS IS FROM THE PARKING LOT LOOKING, LOOKING WEST.

UM, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE I'LL CALL IT THE CORPORATE ARCHITECTURE THAT, UH, DAYTON METROPOLITAN LIBRARY HAS BEEN, UM, BUILDING FOR ALL OF THEIR, UH, FACILITIES.

UH, THIS IS, UH, LOOKING FROM THE NORTHWEST OR CORNER LOOKING, UH, WEST, AND THEN THERE'S THE SOUTH AT ELEVATION AND THEN EAST ELEVATION, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS YOU TRAVELED DOWN A BRANT PIPE TO THE, UH, TO THE SOUTH.

UM, THIS IS THE DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN, LIKE I SAID, UM, THE, THE BY AND LARGE, UH, IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UH, OF THE CODE.

THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ACTUALLY, UH, GETS REDUCED, UM, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT, THAT EXISTING PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH GETS, UH, GETS REMOVED.

UH, AND THEN THERE IS, UH, SOME DRAINAGE AND, AND GREEN SPACE THAT IS BROUGHT INTO PLAY.

THE ALTERNATIVE THAT DOESN'T MEET THE ZONING CODE IS, UH, THE CODE REQUIRES STREET TREES.

UH, I BELIEVE 40 FEET ON CENTER, 30 OR 30 FEET ON CENTER, UH, AS A, UH, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A, UH, SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPED, UH, BED IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, SO THERE WAS TO BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY TWO STREET TREES, UH, ON BRANT PIPE.

UM, THREE, IF YOU COUNT THE ONE ON THE CORNER OF, UH, MIAMI VALLEY WAY, BUT THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, LANDSCAPED AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

UM, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

UM, BUT THAT IS, UH, IS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT DOESN'T QUITE MEET THE LETTER OF THE ZONING CODE.

UM, AS I SAID, UH, THE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, THE LIGHTING FIXTURES ARE FULL CUT-OFF.

UM, THE PARKING IS TO THE REAR.

UH, IT DOES REDUCE A CURB CUT ON BRAND PIKE, WHICH WE THINK IS A GOOD IDEA.

THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE GOES FROM 2.7 ACRES DOWN TO 2.3 ACRES.

UM, THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE 122 SPACES.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE, A HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE ARE UNRESTRICTED, UM, SIGNED PACKAGE WASN'T SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.

UM, IT DID MAKE ONE MISTAKE.

I MISSED TWO GROUND MOUNTED SIGNS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UM, SO THE, THE ELEVATIONS INDICATE ONE WALL SIGN THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 35 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN TWO GROUND SIGNS WE RECOMMEND LET JUST THE, THE APPLICANT FOLLOW THE CODE.

UH, SO

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LIMITING THE SIZE OF ANY ONE WALL SIDE TO, UH, SEVENTY-FIVE FEET OR COMBINED A MAXIMUM OF 150 SQUARE FEET FOR THE WALL SIGNS.

AND THEN THE GROUND SIGNS WOULD BE BUILT, UH, TO CITY CODE.

UM, SO AS THE, AS THE LETTER, UH, THE COVER LETTER TO THEIR APPLICATION HAD MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, THE CITY AND, AND THE LIBRARY HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS SITE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, THERE IS THAT MINOR ENCROACHMENT, UH, WHICH WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, IT IS A TIGHT SITE, SO THAT, THAT ENCROACHMENTS DOES MAKE THE BUILDING FIT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IT ALSO BREAKS UP THE PLANE OF THE WALL, UH, ALONG BRAND BRAND PIKES, UH, WERE, WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE.

UM, AND THEN THE EXTERIOR FACADE, WHICH I KNOW THAT AS A, AS A, UM, TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, QUITE OFTEN, IT'S A MIXTURE OF METAL PANELS, UH, CURT WINDOWS AND CURTAIN WALLS, UH, AND THEN BRICK AND, UH, AND METAL PANELS, THE APPLICANT AND THE ARCHITECTS ARE HERE, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, THE SITE SPECIFICS, WE ARE, UM, SUPPORTIVE, UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANTS SUBMIT A SIGNED PACKAGE FOR OUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, UH, AS PART OF THE ZONING PERMIT, UH, THE APPLICANTS COMPLY WITH ALL STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY ENGINEER, ALONG WITH THE, UH, FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN, UH, THE APPLICANTS SUBMIT A REVISED SITE AND LANDSCAPING PLANS TO, UH, REFLECT ANY CONDITIONS THAT, UH, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY PUT ON THIS, UH, PROJECT.

YOU HAVE THIS ONE'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, COMPLETE, UH, QUESTIONS FROM ME.

SO ON THE FIRE CODE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE TURN RADIUS, THAT NORTH ISLAND, WHERE YOU'VE MENTIONED IT IN HERE, DO WE NEED TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE DECISION RECORD THAT SAYS WE'RE OKAY IF THAT RESULTS IN A REDUCTION OF A PARKING SPACE OR TWO, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK SINCE ADJUSTING THAT RADIUS.

PART OF THAT COULD BE TAKEN OUT A SPOT.

I MEAN, TO MEET CODE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOSE 11 SPACES OR TO NOT MEET CODE.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOP SO 11 SPACES.

UM, I DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HAPPENING, BUT IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE NOW, I KNOW, I MEAN, WHERE THE, WHERE THE TURN RADIUS IS INDICATED IF THEY HAD TO DEDUCT A SPACE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE GOING TO CARE ABOUT LOSING ONE SPACE.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AMENDMENTS OR ANYTHING AS LONG AS THEY ARE THE WAY I CALCULATE IT THERE TO THE GOODBYE.

BY 10, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING LANDSCAPING.

SO RECENTLY I'VE DRIVEN IT A COUPLE AREAS.

AND IN KROGER, PARKING LOTS, A THING WITH LANDSCAPING WHERE THEIR, THEIR STUFF IS SO TALL THAT YOU COME UP TO A LANE, YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT, RIGHT.

WILL ANY OF THIS LANDSCAPING CAUSE AS, AS IT GROWS AND DEVELOPS, BUT BECAUSE ANY, ANY, UM, EYESIGHT VIEW WHERE YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY TURNS INTO ANOTHER LANE, IT'S ALL GONNA BE ON ALONG THE BUILDING, RIGHT? UH, THERE ARE LANDSCAPED ISLANDS, UH, THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE.

I WILL LET THE APPLICANT, THE ARCHITECT TALK ABOUT THE VEGETATION AND THE SPECIES AND WHAT THEIR HEIGHTS ARE.

THAT'S NOT MY WHEELHOUSE.

AND THEN A QUESTION, I JUST KNOW, IT SOUNDS SILLY, BUT I'VE ALMOST HAD THREE ACCIDENTS IN KROGER'S PARKING LOT BECAUSE OF THAT TALL GRASPING MS. FARGO.

COULD YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE, ONE OF THE FIRST MAPS? UH, NO, NO, KEEP GOING.

NO, NO, RIGHT THERE.

UM, THE AREA, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY NORTH, BUT ON THIS MAP IT SHOWS NORTH THE CIRCLE.

WHAT IS THAT? SO THAT IS A, A WALKING PATH.

UM, THAT'S LANDSCAPED THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO THE, TO THE TOP AND WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

AND WHAT, WHAT IS THE WIDTH FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER? UH, OH, I DIDN'T DIMENSION IT OUT.

UM, I CAN QUICKLY, UH, IS THERE A ROOM FOR, I GUESS I'M ASKING, IS, IS THERE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE GRASS IS OUT A GRASSY AREA IN THE METAL.

AND IS THAT GOING TO BE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST NOTHING? JUST, YEAH, SO I'LL LET THEM, UH, LET THE APPLICANTS TALK ABOUT THAT.

IT'S, IT'S LANDSCAPED ATTRACTIVELY, BUT, AND THE REST OF IT IS STRICTLY WALKING PATH.

THE CIRCLE, I CAN SEE WHERE THE, IT LOOKS LIKE BRICKS.

THIS WOULD BE A HEXAGON WOULD BE A OKAY.

THE WIDTH OF IT.

I MEAN, IT WOULD BE FOR BICYCLES OR NO, I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN ENTIRELY, UM, MAYBE BENCHES.

UM, THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS DID BRING ADDITIONAL MATERIAL, WHICH I'LL, UH, I'LL PASS OUT TO YOU.

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UH, ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS OF ME? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, STAN? THANK YOU, SIR.

WE SHOW OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M TIRED AND I HAVEN'T EVEN DONE ANYTHING YET.

MY NAME IS BEAR MANITA, M O N I T A.

AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE MR. WALTON AND BUSINESSES.

FARGO IS ALWAYS, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, I GREW UP HERE AND, UH, I'M PROUD TO SAY I'M FROM HERE.

OUR FIRM HAS BEEN INVOLVED, UH, HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME QUICK BACKGROUND.

OUR FIRM DID THE FIVE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND THE HEBREW HEIGHTS SCHOOLS REBUILDING PROGRAM.

WE WERE THE ARCHITECT FOR FIRE STATION 25, AND WE JUST COMPLETED THE NEWLY OPEN HUBER HEIGHTS VETERANS, MORE LIKE CLOUD PARK.

WE'VE ALSO HAD, UH, A MAIN, MAIN PART TO PLAY IN, IN OTHER LIBRARIES AND THE DATE METRO LIBRARIES BUILDING PROGRAM.

UH, WE WERE THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD FOR THE MAIN LIBRARY DOWNTOWN AND FOR THE WEST BRANCH ON 35 BY THE VA, THAT'LL BE OPENING VERY SOON.

AND, UH, WHEN THE BOND ISSUE PASSED, I LOBBIED VERY HARD FOR OUR FIRM TO GET THIS PROJECT.

AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE THE NICEST BUILDING IN DOVER HEIGHTS.

AND, UH, WE'RE EXCITED, UH, TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE PLAN TO YOU AND MY COLLEAGUE GET SUITS.

AND I'LL DO THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

UM, WE DID, UH, PREPARE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A PRESENTATION JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW THE PROJECT EVOLVED AND HOW THE FORUM CAME TO BE AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THIS, I PROMISE YOU THIS WILL BE SHORT WHEN, SO YES, IT IS LIKE, YEAH, JUST THE FIRST PAGE.

I JUST KINDA WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS A PROCESS.

IT STARTED, UH, ALMOST A YEAR AGO, AS FAR AS HOW THE PROJECT WAS SHAPED BY CONSTITUENTS HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

AND ALSO FROM THE LIBRARY, I'LL JUST POINT OUT A FEW EXAMPLES.

UH, WE DID MEET WITH THE ACTING CITY MANAGER WHEN WE GOT TO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND WORKED ON, UH, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT SETBACK ISSUE WITH PROJECTING PAST SETBACK AND SO ON.

UH, SAME THING WE MET WITH HIM AGAIN, UH, UH, IN OCTOBER WE HAD A PUBLIC FORUM AT THE, AT THE LIBRARY IN AUGUST.

AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, THERE'S BEEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO COME PARTICIPATE AND GIVE INPUT ON HOW IT'S EVOLVED NEXT PAGE.

UH, YOU'LL SEE THE, THIS KIND OF THE MASTER PLAN.

AND WHAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST PIECE OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU HAD, UH, UM, HARDEST TO, TO KIND OF WORK ON.

AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF THE PIECE THAT WILL SET THE TONE FOR THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.

AND THAT THE, THE IDEA HERE WAS TO, TO HAVE IT IN A VERY PROMINENT POSITION.

UH, THE REASON, PART OF THE REASON THAT, THAT, UH, ONE PIECE OF IT DOES PROJECT OUT, IT CREATES KIND OF A BRAND SIDE ENTRANCE, CAUSE WE HADN'T REALLY HAD TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND TWO ENTRANCES, BUT IT ALSO CREATES SORT OF A BRANDING ELEMENT.

SO IS THAT PROJECTS OUT? IT, UH, IT KIND OF HELPS, YOU KNOW, CREATE A PIECE OF THAT BUILDING THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT.

AND SO WE WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

UM, SOMETHING SIMILAR COULD GO JUST TWO MORE PAGES, UM, AND SURVEY, MAYBE THREE PAGES, LET'S SEE THE ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE, UH, LIBRARY AND ALSO OF THE, UH, THE MEADOWS SHOPPING AREA.

WHAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE IS JUST THE, THE MEADOWS KIND OF DID THE SAME SORT OF THING WHERE YOU HAVE A PROJECTING ELEMENT THAT CREATES SORT OF A BRANDING STATEMENT AT THE BUILDING.

SO BOTH BUILDINGS KIND OF USE THAT SAME IDEA OF SOMETHING PROJECTING TO CREATE A BRANDING ELEMENT, UM, MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ONE, THINGS THAT, UH, WHEN WE DID THE ELEMENTARY, WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT, AT LEAST I DID CAUSE I'M NOT FROM YOU HEIGHTS AND LIKE BEAR, BUT BRICK IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE UBER HIDES HISTORY.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS A PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE NEW LIBRARY.

SO, UM, IT'S SORT OF A PROGRESSION OF PAGES HERE.

SO THIS FIRST ONE KIND OF SHOWS THAT THE MAIN FORM OF THE BUILDING OF THE MAIN FOOTPRINT IS THE LONG RECTANGLE THAT IS SORT OF THE BRICK

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STATEMENT OF THIS THING.

SO IT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE OF THIS THING.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE USED THE BRICK.

WE DID THEN BEGIN THE NEXT PAGE AT, UM, THE CLASS TO THE ENDS.

COULD WE DO ONE NATURAL LIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY THEN TO THAT BOX, WE STARTED TO ADD THE BRANDING ELEMENTS OF DAYTON METRO LIBRARY, AND ALL OF THEIR BUILDINGS ARE, UM, CONTEMPORARY THEY'RE CONTEMPORARY STATEMENT OF WHERE LIBRARIES ARE GOING TODAY.

AND, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, UM, THE, UH, SO THAT THE USE OF THE CONTEMPORARY MATERIAL, THE METAL, UH, OR A SIMILAR MATERIAL HAS BEEN USED ON ALL THE BRANCHES TO KIND OF GIVE THAT A CONTEMPORARY LOOK.

SO WE DID ADD THOSE BRANDING ELEMENTS TO THE CORNERS.

SO THERE ARE METAL AND GLASS.

THEN THE LAST PAGE SHOWS THAT THE, UH, ADDITION OF THAT SORT OF, UM, CENTRAL ELEMENT THAT, THAT CREATES THE ENTRANCES ON BOTH SIDES AND CREATES ANOTHER BRANDING ELEMENT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE LIBRARY.

UM, THERE, THE LAST PAGE IS A REALLY JUST, JUST INTERIOR VIEWS, JUST, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

SO, UM, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE, THE WALKING AREA ON THE, UH, THE NORTH, UH, PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE, THE CHILDREN'S, UH, AREAS THAT THE LIBRARY HAS SEVERAL SECTIONS IN IT THAT CATER TO ADULTS, TO TEENS, TO CHILDREN, AND THE CHILDREN'S END IS AT THE VERY NORTH END OF THAT.

AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT, THAT KIND OF OUTDOOR AREAS TO CONNECT TO THAT.

SO THERE'S A PLACE FOR CHILDREN TO GO OUT, DO STORY TIME, DO SOME EXPLORATION.

SOME OF THAT PLANTING WILL BE LIKE PRAIRIE, PRAIRIE, GRASS, OR FLOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT JUST IT'S A PLACE TO KIND OF BE CONTEMPLATIVE, YOU KNOW, AND, OR REBOOK, OR HEAR A STORY, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS ABOUT, UM, TO THE TURNING RADIUS.

UH, AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE TURNING RADIUS, WE HAVE FIXED THAT ALREADY, THAT OUR, OUR PROJECT DOES BID THIS THURSDAY.

AND SO IN THE LAST ADDENDUM WENT OUT YESTERDAY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT IN THERE, ALONG WITH MOVING THE FIRE PARK FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION FROM BRANT STREET SIDE TO THE PARKING LOT SIDE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FELT WHEN THEY STAGED FOR AN EVENT THERE, THEY WOULD RATHER BE IN THE PARKING LOT THAN ON BRANT STREET.

SO WE'VE MADE THAT CHANGE AS WELL.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT SECURITY.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD NOT NORMALLY PROVIDE TO US, OR CAN YOU TALK TO IT ABOUT COCKTAILS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT KIND OF, UH, CAMERAS OR WHAT KIND OF SECURITY THAT THERE WILL BE FOR THIS BUILDING INSIDE AND OUT? YEAH, TH TH THIS BUILDING, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE IT REMINDED ME OF THE, OF THE PARKING LOT PLANTING TO, UM, UH, THAT THE PROJECT HAS CAMERAS THROUGHOUT MEAN.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART FOR DAYTON METRO LIBRARY TO HAVE SECURITY.

AND WE HAVE CAMERAS BOTH OUTSIDE AND INSIDE THAT KIND OF MONITORING THINGS.

THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, UH, ACCESS CONTROL SO THAT AFTER HOURS YOU CAN CONTROL WHO COMES IN AND OUT THAT KIND OF THING, SAME WITH THE, THE ENTRANCE OUT TO LIKE THE WALKING PATH.

AND THEN SOMEBODY CAN'T JUST WALK OUT THERE, THEY HAVE TO USE A BADGE OR SOMETHING TO GET OUT THERE.

AND THAT IS AN EMERGENCY EXIT.

IF YOU, IF YOU GO OUT THAT DOOR, LOT, AN ALARM IS GOING TO SOUND, SOMETHING'S GOING TO COME AFTER YOU.

BUT, UM, IN THE PARKING LOT, THEN WE WERE CAREFUL ABOUT THE PLANNINGS WE USE, BECAUSE IT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE, UH, THE CAMERAS THAT ARE ON THE MOUNTED ON THE LIGHT POLES IN THE PARKING LOT.

SO, UH, WE DID USE A SMALLER PLANT, UH, SMALLER, UH, VEGETATION FOR THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, SOMETHING WE DID, WE PROBABLY NEEDED TO REVIEW IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TURNING A CORNER, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.

BUT, UH, THE, AS FAR AS THE CAMERAS GO, WE DID, WE WERE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE PICKED UP PLANT MATERIAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD A GOOD VIEW.

YES, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

AND, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION, SINCE THIS IS A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAIL PLAN, WE WON'T SEE THIS AGAIN.

AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT GREEN SPACE AREA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE LIBRARY, DO YOU EVER PLAN TO HAVE ANYTHING LIKE STATUARY OR I DID KNOW THAT YOU HAD BENCHES AROUND SEVERAL PLACES AND THAT THAT'S, UH, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY NICE, BUT HAD YOU THOUGHT ABOUT STATUARY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADDED LATER AND IT MAY COME A DATE? METRO LIBRARIES HAS BEEN COMMITTED IN ALL THEIR BRANCHES TO USE, UH, LOCAL ARTISTS TO KIND OF POPULATE THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND THE SAME COULD BE TRUE ON THE OUTSIDE.

I ALREADY, MITCHELL IS HERE FROM THE METRO DADE METRO LIBRARY COULD COMMENT ON THAT.

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MY NAME IS GARY MITCHELL ON THE FACILITIES, CONSTRUCTION CONSULTANT FOR DATING NEUTRAL LIBRARY.

UH, I CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE FACT THAT THEY, WE ADDRESSED THIS REALLY RECENTLY AT WEST, WHERE WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL PLAY ACTIVITY.

SO THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS, AND ALSO THERE'S A PROPHECY TO EMPLOY A RIGHT DUNBAR STATUTE THERE AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE OF ITS SETTING.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO OCCUR AT THIS LOCATION.

UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PLANS FOR IT PER SE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T STARTED YET WITH THE ACTUAL, THE ARCHIVE PACKAGE ITSELF IN THE BUDGET.

OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD GO OUTSIDE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DONATE? THAT'S IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER IS.

UH, LOCAL ARTISTS.

WE PURCHASED OURSELVES FOR THE INTERIOR, BUT THE EXTERIOR PORTION OF THAT, LIKE THE DUNBAR STATUTES THAT AT WEST, THAT WAS A SEPARATELY FUNDED, UH, IDEA FROM, UH, FROM RESIDENTS AND LOCAL, UH, AND LOCAL, OURS BEING DAVIS.

SO IF SOMETHING SIMILAR WOULD HAPPEN HERE, WE WOULD PLAN ON DONATIONS OR GRANTS TO DO THAT.

IT WOULDN'T BE IN OUR PERSONAL LEASE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET, BUT THE OTHER ART IS IT COULD BE A PART OF THE BUDGET.

WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.

UH, WE'RE AT A VERY RISKY TIMES AND WE'RE VERY SHAKY ABOUT, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR BIDS THURSDAY, THAT, UH, OUR FINGERS ARE CROSSED.

UH, THIS ONE'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

WE KNOW WE WORK WITH YOUR GUYS FOR LAST, AT LEAST TWO YEARS REAL HEAVILY.

SO WE'RE ANXIOUS.

I COULD SAY THE LEAST BECAUSE OF ALL THAT MONEY THAT WE'VE HAD A THING, WE HAVE A STOCK PILE READY FOR THIS ONE.

WE'VE GOT IT ALL PLANNED AS LONG AS THE ESTIMATE IS WITHIN THE REALM OF WHAT WE GET UP AT SIX.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT OUR FINGERS CROSSED WHEN YOU, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO CHOOSE THE ART OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WILL THE COMMUNITY BE INVOLVED OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DO? THAT'S SOMETHING INTERNALLY.

I DON'T HANDLE IT MYSELF, BUT SOME OF THE INTERNAL, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, THE MITCHELL LIBRARY HANDLES THAT THEY HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE ART INSTITUTE.

SO THERE'S A COMMITTEE THAT IS MADE UP OF TAKING THE METRO LIBRARY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS TO ART, TO FOR THE LIBRARY.

AND, UM, THEY HAD SOME INPUT IN, FROM OUR PUBLIC FORUM AS WELL WHEN WE GOT THAT.

AND I APOLOGIZE, I KNOW THAT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT PERTINENT TO THE PLUGS BEFORE US THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S MY ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT.

NO, MA'AM BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND I WILL POINT OUT ONE THING THAT YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT I HADN'T BROUGHT UP, UH, WE WERE WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOUR CITY MANAGERS.

SO ALL THE PARKING YOU SEE ON THE FAR OF THE WEST, IF YOU SEE THE, THE, THE ELOQUENT, UH, MASTER PLAN THAT LWCC HAS COMPLETED AND WORK WITH US WITH THOSE ARE PART OF THE EASEMENT IS ON YOUR PROPERTY.

WE BUILT THOSE IN ANTICIPATION OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY AT SOME POINT IN TIME DEVELOP.

SO, UM, UM, THAT WAS PART OF OUR THING.

AND WE HAD FIRST STARTED OUT WITH TRYING OUR REQUIREMENT WAS ABOUT SIX ACRES.

SO THE IDEA WAS TO SQUEEZE US UP AT NIGHT, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT ENCROACHMENT AND AS PART OF THE REASON FOR, UH, GOING AHEAD AND CONSTRUCTING PART OF THAT PARKING LOT AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO GET ALL THE MINIMUM PARKING PLACES THAT WE NEEDED.

AND THOSE THAT REQUIRE ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I TURN IT BACK OVER.

OH YES.

GO AHEAD.

WELL, I SAW, EXCUSE ME, OUR SIGN PACKAGE IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.

UH, WE HAVE, UM, PLACED IT FOR LOCATION.

ONLY ON OUR CONTRACT, PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE SITE.

WE WILL BE SUBMITTING A SEPARATE SIGN PACKAGE THROUGH ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT BASED, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A SIGN COMPANY HERE IN TOWN.

UH, SO WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THAT SEPARATELY.

MR. JEFFRIES HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.

SORRY.

JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE PARKING.

YOU MENTIONED THAT, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD ASK EARLIER WHEN WE SAID STANDARD PARK, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE DOING 10 FOOT SPACES THROUGHOUT.

YEAH, THEY ARE.

THEY'RE DIMENSIONED AT, UH, YOUR STANDARD, WHICH IS WHAT? 10 BY 18.

YEP.

EXCELLENT.

I HAD ONE LITTLE QUESTION WHILE SHE'S ASKING A SIDE QUESTION.

UM, THE OLD LIBRARY, THAT'S STILL STANDING THERE.

ANY PLANS FOR IT? I THINK THAT ONE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.

WE SELL ALL OF OUR OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT THAT ONE, I THINK WAS LEAST.

SO WITH THE TERMINATION OF THE LEASE, THEN WE'LL GIVE IT BACK UP.

IT'S IN THE EXISTING SHELTERS THAT ARE JUST NORTHWEST.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OLD BUILDING? SOMEBODY ELSE.

EXCUSE ME.

I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF OUR OTHER OLD ONE.

THAT'S THE OLD ONE BEFORE THE ONE YOU'RE ABOUT TO REPLACE THAT'S.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.

SORRY.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT LWCC INC REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE COMBINED BASIC AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PM PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 62 43 GRANT PIKE, ZONING CASE 22 DASH ZERO FIVE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.

I'M VERY PLEASED TO MAKE THAT MOTION MOVED BY MS. VARGA WAS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS OP SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MRS. THOMAS? YES.

TRAJECTORIES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT REVISED PLANS TO US.

UH, AND THEN THIS WILL MOVE ON TO COUNCIL.

YOU'RE READY.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

AT THIS MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.

I WILL BE RIGHT BACK.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT HASN'T DEVELOPED.

I'M READY TO GO HOME.

I KNOW YOU ALL.

WELL, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION HERE, PEOPLE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

CEDAR HILL PROPERTY.

MR. SIERRA, MR. SORRELL.

HADN'T SEEN THIS.

YEAH, I HAVE TO PACK IT LIKE HE WAS NEW AND I TALKED TO JASON FOSTER ABOUT THIS BEFORE HE LEFT.

AND, UH, WE, I BROUGHT, UH, SOMEBODY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE SYDNEY ENGINEERS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, HAD A LITTLE MEETING AND HE SAID, MY NEXT STEP WAS TO COME HERE AND TALK TO YOU FOLKS AND KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET A FEEL FOR THAT.

YOU'RE ON BOARD ABOUT THIS OR THAT WE THINK THIS CAN WORK BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ENGINEERING AND NOT GO ANYWHERE.

SO, UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS MIKE STAFFORD, A LITTLE HISTORY OF ME.

I'M A WAYNE HIGH PRODUCT, MAYBE THE OLDEST WARRIOR IN THE ROOM.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GRADUATED FROM WAYNE.

I 1969, MY CLASS, UH, I'M JUST A YOUNGSTER.

UH, MY FATHER BUILT A HOUSE OUT ON SHELL ROAD IN 1956.

IT'S STILL HERE.

UH, STARTED KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12TH GRADE YEAR AT WAYNE.

MY MOTHER WAS THE WELCOME WAGON HOSTESS FOR 18 YEARS.

AND YOU WERE HEIGHTS, UH, THAT WAS BEFORE THEY HAD THE INTERNET.

SHE WASN'T THE INTERNET.

THEY ESTIMATES YOU VISITED 10,000 HOMES, WELCOMED THE NEW PEOPLE INTO FEWER HEIGHTS.

UH, DURING HER CAREER DIED, UH, 2020, SHE WAS 92 YEARS OLD, HAD A GREAT LIFE.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, AND MY BUSINESS IT'S IRONIC.

I WAS HERE TONIGHT AND IT'S, UH, I WENT IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS 35 YEARS AND I TURNED OVER MY SON STAFF TO INSTRUCTION.

WE BUILT, I THINK, FOUR LIBRARIES HERE, AND I HOPE WE'RE BIDDING THE ONE THURSDAY.

SO WE MAY BUILD THE LIBRARY HERE AND YOU RIDE TOO.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF, UH, MY BRACKET AND WE ACTUALLY BUILT A WIZENED WHARTON, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL.

AND, UH, I KNEW BOB WEISBORD GRANDSON OF CLARA.

WOULDN'T BACK WAY BACK ANYWAY, A LOT OF HISTORY BACK HERE.

UH, I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THAT.

LET'S GET ONTO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

UH, I'M GOING AT TWO O'CLOCK TOMORROW TO PURCHASE THE 33 ACRES.

IT'S RIGHT BEHIND CEDAR HILL FURNITURE.

UH, TRY TO PUT SOME MAPS IN THERE.

SO YOU KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT IS.

UM, IF YOU GREW UP CEDAR HILL OR CDL FURNITURE IS YOU'VE GOT A SONIC AND WAFFLE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.

IF YOU GO SOUTH, THAT'S WHERE THE WALMART SHOPPING CENTER IS.

UM, IT'S KIND OF A LONG NARROW ENTRANCE AND THEN A PROPERTY.

IT COMES FORMS INTO A RECTANGLE.

UH, IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT SITE.

UH, THAT'S WHY NOTHING'S DEVELOPED THERE.

YOU'VE GOT A NEGATIVE FALL FROM THE STREET, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A LIFT STATION.

IF YOU EVER PUT SEWER IN THERE.

UH, THE WATER IS A LONG WAYS AWAY TO HAVE TO BRING IT IN THERE.

OF COURSE, IF YOU BUILD ANY BUILDINGS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE FIRE HYDRANTS.

SO THOSE ARE ISSUES.

YOU'VE GOT A BIG, HUGE DRAINAGE DITCH THAT RUNS FROM THE INTERSTATE OFF THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN'T BUILD ON THAT.

YOU CAN CROSS IT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

UM, YOU ALSO HAVE A RAVINE IN CREEK THAT GOES ACROSS THE EAST AND SOUTH ENDS OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THERE

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AND WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, WE HAD A SEVERAL IDEAS OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO DO, UH, RV AND BOAT STORAGE AND MINI STORAGE.

THAT'S THE BUSINESS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO, WHICH WAS KIND OF INTERESTING HERE TONIGHT, SINCE YOU WENT THROUGH ALL THAT STUFF WITH THE BEAR ON IT, WHAT IS A BEAR CAT, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT WAS THERE, THAT'S GOING TO BUILD THE ONE UP BY THE HOUSING.

THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A UNIQUE LOCATION FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU ESSENTIALLY DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS HERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT WALMART AND YOU'VE GOT WAFFLE HOUSE.

THE MAYOR'S DOWN ON UBUR HEIGHTS ARE LIKE WAY, WAY DOWN THERE.

AND THEY'VE GOT A BUFFER THAT THE SOUTH AND THE EAST PARK THAT WOULD BLOCK ANYTHING FROM THEM.

UM, SO, AND I TALKED TO JASON, BASICALLY, WE WANT TO MEET ALL THE CODES AND EVERYTHING, BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD AND HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

UH, I ALSO TRIED TO PUT SOME PICTURES.

WE HAVE FACILITIES, I HAVE ONE ON, UH, UH, PARK LANE ON 2 35, 1 TOWARDS NEW CARLISLE CALLED SPARE SPACE.

WE HAVE ONE IN, UH, ANAN MINI STORAGE.

WE HAVE AN RV AND BOAT STORAGE AND NINA, AND WE HAVE AN RV AND BOAT STORAGE IN FAIRBORN, AND ALSO PUT SOME INFORMATION THERE.

SHE CAN KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF, UH, THE NEED FOR THIS STUFF.

UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF MINI STORAGE IS AROUND, BUT IT'S KIND OF A WAY OF LIFE.

NOW, EVERYBODY HAS A MINI STORAGE SPACE.

UH IT'S UH, AND, UH, DIVORCES PEOPLE, MOVING, UH, WHATEVER.

UH, AND THEN THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE INDUSTRY HAS GONE OFF THE MAP BECAUSE OF COVID.

UH, THE FOURTH, I THINK IT'S 400% INCREASE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE AMOUNT OF RVS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THE BUILDINGS HAVEN'T KEPT UP.

UM, WE HAVE 69 SPACES THAT WE HAVE NOW AND RV AND BOAT STORAGE.

AND, UH, IN FOUR MONTHS WE, AFTER WE BUILT THEM, THEY FILLED UP, WE HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON A WAITING LIST THAT WEREN'T ONE OF THOSE 69 SPACES.

AND YOU SEE UP THERE ON BRAND, THE GUYS BUILD THEM UP THERE AS FAST AS HE CAN.

IF YOU GO NORTH RAND AND YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT TO ANNEX, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 250 MORE ACRES, WHICH IS GOING TO BE HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF HOUSES UP THERE THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME WAYS TO PUT THEIR BOATS AND STUFF.

SO I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR IT.

WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS GENERALLY DONE IS WE'LL BUILD A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS THAT THEY FILL UP WITH, BUILD A COUPLE MORE.

THAT'S WHAT WE PUT THAT THING IN PHASES.

UM, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES, WE TRY TO DO ALL THE RIGHT STUFF.

THEY'RE CLEAN, NEAT LIGHTED CAMERAS, UH, ALARM SYSTEMS. AND WE NEVER OPERATE.

EVERYTHING OPERATES FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.

ONLY BAD STUFF HAPPENS AFTER 10:00 PM.

AND ACTUALLY OUR PEOPLE THAT STORE THINGS.

UM, THEY ACTUALLY LIKE THOSE HOURS, THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT NOBODY'S IN THERE FROM 10 O'CLOCK TO SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

SO I TRIED TO GO THROUGH THAT AS FAST AS I COULD.

I THINK THE TWO BIGGEST MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT MINI STORAGE PLACES IS THAT THEY'RE UNSAFE.

I THINK THEY'RE ONE OF THE SAFEST PLACES YOU CAN FIND OUT THERE.

AND ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, CAUSE THERE JUST ISN'T A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT DAYS, WE'RE LUCKY TO GET SIX VEHICLES IN AND OUT OF THERE, PEOPLE STORE THEIR STUFF AND IT'S THERE.

YOU GET A FEW PEOPLE THAT MAY STORE EQUIPMENT, UH, SUPPLIES, OPERATE SOME KIND OF SMALL BUSINESS.

UM, AND THE GUYS, THE RV AND BOAT STORY, IT'S SOME OF THEM TAKING ME AND OUT ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT UH, MOST TIME THEY'RE GONE.

THEY COME BACK WHEN THEY STORE THEM, THEY STORE THEM AND THEY'RE THERE FOR THREE MONTHS.

THEY DON'T MOVE.

IT'S JUST PART OF THE DEAL.

SO I WENT THROUGH THAT REALLY QUICK.

ANYBODY QUESTIONS IS THIS ALL I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, I, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PHASE ONE AND IT'S ONLY, AND YOU SAY RV PRIMARILY IF, UH, UH, BOAT AN RV IS, IS THE BIG THING.

SO ON THESE FIRST UNITS THAT YOU HAVE COMING INTO THE, COMING INTO THE SITE, IT'S NOT GOING TO JUST BE REGULAR STORAGE, REGULAR STORAGE.

FILL UP OR TAKE TIME, THAT'S THE LAST ONES WE'LL BUILD.

THEN WHY, IF YOU, IF THE NEED IS FOR RV BOAT, WHY ARE YOU NOT USING THAT FOR RV AND BUNK ALSO, AND JUST HAVE AN EXCLUSIVELY, WELL, THERE'S A NEED FOR BOTH.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WOULD FILL UP THE BEST QUICKEST.

SO THE DIMENSION OF THE SIZE GOING INTO THAT PROPERTY SET UP BETTER FOR USING MINI STORAGE BUILDINGS THAN RV AND BOAT.

AND THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THAT LOT SITE IS 33 ACRES.

I THOUGHT THE RV AND BOATS WOULD BE BEST ALONG THE INTERSTATE THAT CAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE BUILDINGS.

UM, WE WOULD HOPE TO PUT A SIGN UP THERE.

SO SOME PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR VIA BOAT AND MANY STORAGE SPACES THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY A JOINT FACILITY.

AND IS BASICALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO IN AND BUILD TOO MANY STORAGE BUSINESSES.

AND IF THEY DON'T

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AND IF WE FILL TWO RV BOAT STORAGE BUILDINGS, AND THEN WE NEED TWO MORE, IT MAY TURN TO BE ALL RV BOAT STORAGE.

I WANTED THE OPTION GOING IN FOR AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST PROFITABLE TO WHICH MAKES MOST SENSE.

OH, HOW MANY RVS AND BOATS WILL EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS? UH, THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE IS WE'LL HAVE 18 FACILITIES.

UH, THE MINI STORAGE BUILDINGS TYPICALLY THEY'RE 200 BY 35 FEET, BUT YOU'LL HAVE 40 SPACES IN EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

THE RV AND BOTH STRIDES ARE ROUGHLY 45 BY TWO 60, I BELIEVE.

ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE OR IS IT WELL, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

THAT WAS GOOD.

IF WE DO ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE, I'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED SO THAT YOU'D ONLY BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM A DRONE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE THE BILL, BILL, THE FACILITY BASICALLY, UM, IT'S ALL AROUND WITH TREES.

IT'S, IT'S AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.

YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT UNLESS YOU WERE LIKE ALMOST ON THE PROPERTY.

SO AGAIN, I, I WOULD LIKE THAT OPTION BECAUSE IT'S ONLY IF IT'S NECESSARY.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE OUR SPACES ARE FILLED AND PEOPLE ARE BEGGING, WE'VE GOT A FEW CAMPERS THAT ARE SITTING OUTSIDE.

IT'S NOT OUR PREFERENCE.

WE ACTUALLY GET MORE MONEY, BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE IN ONE OF THE SITES THAT ARE OUTSIDE BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED SOMEPLACE AND WE JUST USED IT.

THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

AND THE LAST ONE IS, ARE THESE BUILDINGS HEATING? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S A REALLY NEED FOR CONDITIONED SPACE FOR RVS.

THESE PEOPLE GO OUT AND PAY THREE OR FOUR OR 500,000 TONS OF RVS, AND THEY WANT THEM IN A SPACE THAT'S HEATED AND COOL.

SO OF THE TWO BUILDINGS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD FIRST RV UP BY THE INTERSTATE, ONE OF THEM WAS GOING TO BE A NOT CONDITIONED SPACE.

AND THE OTHER WAS GOING TO BE CONDITIONED SPACE IS THE SAME KIND OF THING.

IF I FILL UP THE CONDITION SPACE FIRST AND I'LL BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING THAT HAS CONDITIONED SPACE AND WE'LL JUST KEEP DOING BASED ON WHAT THE NEED GENERATES.

HE DID AN AIR CONDITIONER AND EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, OWN, UH, UH, ELECTRIC METER IN SPACE.

SO YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN POWER.

WE PUT IN INSULATES AND PUT THE UNITS IN AND THEN YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN POWER.

INSIDE OF THE BUILDING IS OPEN.

NOW EACH, EACH SPACE IS COMPLETELY CONTAINED IT WALLS CONTAINED ON EACH SPACE, 18 AND 18, AND THE BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 14, 14 AND A HALF FEET WIDE BY 45 FEET.

SO WILL THESE ALL BE THE METAL AS SEEN IN THE PICTURES? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS? WELL, I TALKED TO JASON ABOUT THAT.

UH, HE SAID THAT YOU FOLKS WOULD PROBABLY WANT AT LEAST ALONG THE INTERSTATE TO MAKE IT LOOK BRICK, TO MEET WITH, UH, I DON'T KNOW, HE WRITES 10,000 LARGEST BRICK HOME COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, WE COULD DO SOME OF THAT TO DRESS SOME OF IT UP.

I HADN'T ADDRESSED THAT IN THESE PICTURES, THE ONES WE HAVE ELSEWHERE, AREN'T THE, BASICALLY THE RV BOAT STORAGE IS A WOOD BUILDINGS ARE LIKE WHOLE BARNS BECAUSE OF THE, THE HEIGHT IN, UH, AND THE MINI STORAGE ARE ALL BETTER.

UH, FOR PRE-INJURY METAL BUILDINGS ON THE YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH THAT ON THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE, SOME WILL BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED AND SOME WILL NOT BE.

YES MA'AM.

AT THE BEGINNING THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PURCHASE THE LAND TOMORROW OR PURCHASE IT WITH A CONTINGENCY? NO, I'M PURCHASING TOMORROW TWO O'CLOCK 'CAUSE I, I MEAN, I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SITE.

UM, AND WHAT'S YOUR SURFACE, UH, YOUR GROUND SURFACE GOING TO BE, OR WHAT WERE YOU PLANNING ON THAT? OR WHAT ARE YOUR HISTORICAL? WELL, WE'VE USED BOTH AND OBVIOUSLY FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IT'S BETTER TO USE GRAVEL BECAUSE SOME OF THE WATER, IT GOES DOWN THROUGH THE GROUND AND OF COURSE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO WITH CODES.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH STORM RUNOFF.

WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD RETENTION BASINS.

UH, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'VE GOT TO GET A FIRE HYDRANT OUT THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES AND COSTS IS ACTUALLY GETTING THE FIRE HYDRANT OUT ON THIS PROPERTY.

UH, UH, AGAIN, UH, WE'VE USED BOTH, UH, YOU CAN GO TO OUR STORAGE SPACE AND PARK LANE.

WE'VE GOT GRAVEL OUT THERE.

IT WORKS REALLY WELL.

UM, THE ONES IN FAIRBORN, WE HAVE, UH, ABE CURVES, IT'S WHATEVER YOU ALL WILL ALLOW ME TO DO.

UH, AND WHATEVER MAKES MOST SENSE.

HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS YET? LIKE CEDAR HILL FURNITURE AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT DO LIVE THERE? I HAVE NOT.

THERE ARE CDL FURNITURE AND THERE ARE THREE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE ON THE STREET.

UM, THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ARE SO FAR DOWN ON HUBER HEIGHTS.

UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT BACK UP TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT THERE ARE WAYS, I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY A LONG WAYS AWAY, BUT I'VE REACHED OUT TO ANYBODY.

AND THIS IS FIRST THING I'VE DONE IS COME TO YOU ALL MR. JEFFREY, DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT

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I HAVEN'T LOOKED AROUND, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CONCERNS CAME UP AFTER WE GET MORE OF, HEY, THIS IS HOW IT ZONE.

THIS IS THE REQUIREMENTS.

THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY'S SURPRISED IF ANYTHING LIKE THAT COMES UP BECAUSE I LOOK AT THIS AND SEE THE METAL FULL METAL BUILDINGS, CHAIN, LINK FENCES.

WE KNOW CHAIN LINK FENCES HAVE BEEN SAID KNOW ALREADY THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED THE FULL METAL BUILDING.

EVEN THE, NOT JUST THE BARE CAP, BUT THE LARKSPUR STORAGE UNIT, WE JUST DID.

THERE WERE SOME REQUIREMENTS IN THERE FOR THEM TO DO SOME MORE BRICK WRAP, UH, AND MASONRY BUILDINGS AS WELL.

SO IF IT ENDED UP BEING REQUIREMENT'S, THEY GOT COSTLY AFTER WE GET MORE INFORMATION.

I DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES ON YOUR SIDE, IF YOU BUY SOMETHING, NOT SUBJECT TO A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.

NOPE.

BUT I'M BUYING THE PROPERTY MARK TWO O'CLOCK LIKE IT OR NOT.

UM, I NOTICED THAT IN SOME OF YOUR PICTURES HERE, YOU HAVE THE FULL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, UM, TWO STORY BUILDINGS OF, OF STORAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT GOING THERE.

THEY'RE NOT TWO STORIES.

THEY'RE JUST HIGH BECAUSE OF THE RV.

WE REQUIRES THAT HEIGHT OF THE DOOR.

SO THEY'RE ALL, ALL, UH, JUST 20 FOOT EAVE HEIGHTS OR WHATEVER.

I WAS 16.

I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER.

AND SOME CITIES THEY'RE FOUR AND FIVE STORIES.

I KNOW.

THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL SINGLE STORIES THAT JUST SOME ARE HIGHER SO THEY CAN USE THE GARAGE DOORS TO GET THE RVS IN.

YEAH, I NOTICED ON THE, IN YOUR PICTURES HERE TOO, THAT SOME OF YOUR PROPERTY DOES BACK UP TO SOME OF THE LAND THAT'S ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

AND, UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN NO, SOMEBODY, I WANT TO AMASS A GOLF COURSE BACK THERE.

I SEE THAT PICTURE THERE.

UM, AND HE'S AN OLD WAYNE GRADE.

UM, JUST, UH, AGAIN, LOOKING THROUGH THE PICTURES AND JUST AGAIN, IF IT COMES BACK IN AT ALL AND THE FULL METAL BUILDINGS ARE NOT GOING TO GO WELL, I WOULDN'T THINK LINK.

DEFINITELY.

AND I THINK YOU'D MENTIONED YOU DO A LOT WITH THE GRAVEL LOTS WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT HAS BEEN PAVED LOTS AS WELL.

UM, SO FROM A CONSISTENCY AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL WE'RE GETTING INTO, SO I'M JUST THROWING OUT ANY CONCERNS I CAN THINK OF NOW WITHOUT LOOKING AT AN ACTUAL PACKET.

WELL, AGAIN, I IT'S OUR INTENTION TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE CODES ARE AND WE WORK WITH THE PLANNING FOLKS, UH, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

UM, I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO LOOK INTO OUR FACILITIES.

I THINK YOU'LL BE SATISFIED WITH THE WAY THE THINGS LOOK.

UM, UH, AGAIN, THE, THE KIND OF THE BEAUTY OF THIS SPOT, I GUESS, UM, IS IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH STORAGE FACILITIES, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A BETTER PLACE.

NUBER HIKES THAT YOU COULD PUT ONE IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LITERALLY INVISIBLE.

UH, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PASS ON THE INTERSTATE, THE FOLKS DOWN ON TAYLORSVILLE TO POKES TO THE EAST, THE YOU'VE GOT THREE HOUSES WILL PASS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT YOU COMPLETELY ISOLATE EVERYTHING FROM EVERYBODY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE EVEN REMOTELY DISRUPTIVE TO CEDAR HILL, BUT I HAVE TO CROSS ALL THE BRIDGE, I GUESS WE COME TO ABSOLUTELY , UH, HADN'T PLANNED TO, WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT, BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT STUFF EVEN DOING SEMI CAR WASH BECAUSE THEY NEED THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, WE'VE KICKED AROUND A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING TO WASH THE RVS, BUT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT EVEN DEVELOPING A BUSINESS LATER DOWN THE ROAD.

IF THIS TAKES OFF WHERE WE ACTUALLY, UH, UH, REHAB, RENOVATE RVS AND FLIP THEM, PEOPLE GET DONE AT THE END OF THE SEASON, I'VE DONE THIS.

I DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.

AND WE BUY THEIR RV, FIXED IT UP, TRY TO SELL THEM AS A POSSIBILITY, AS A BUSINESS, WANTING TO HAVE CLEAN.

WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

REALLY.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF BUSINESSES OUT THERE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, BUT I TALKED TO JASON AND I SAID, I DEFINITELY WANTED TO DO THIS PIECE OF IT.

AND HE SAYS, WELL, GET THAT PIECE OF IT ON AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

AND WHAT HAVE YOU WORKED OUT THE RIGHT LETTER, BUT BRINGS TO MIND ONE MORE QUESTION.

AND THAT IS, I DON'T SEE ON THE PLAN,

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UH, AN OFFICE BUILDING.

SO WHERE, WHERE DO THE PEOPLE COME IF THEY NEED TO PAY YOU? AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO START OUT WITH WHAT OUR INTENTION IS, IS TO USE THIS AS AN ANNEX OR FROM OTHER FACILITIES.

THE OFFICE OF PARK LANE WILL SERVICE THIS FACILITY IN THE OFFICE AND FAIRWARNING WE'LL SERVICE, THE RV AND BOAT STORAGE.

SO WILL PEOPLE WILL COME TO THOSE OFFICES, PICK UP THE KEYS.

WE CAN MEET WITH THEM, WHATEVER, GO OUT TO THE SPACE, BUT THERE WON'T BE ANYBODY ONSITE.

THE PLACE WILL BE FENCE LOCKED, SECURE, HAVE CAMERAS, LIGHTS, WHATEVER.

I MEAN, IT MAKES MORE SENSE IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ENDED UP HAVING 400 MINI STORAGE SPACES AND 180 BOAT STORAGE IS THEN WE'LL PROBABLY PUT AN OFFICE IN THERE.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, SIR.

LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU.

WELL, I GUESS I WAS HOPING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF NEGATIVE, POSITIVE INPUT.

I MEAN, IS, ARE WE OPPOSED TO STORAGE SPACES OR ARE WE, UH, I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE CODES, I GUESS I, I MEAN, I, I CAN SAY, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, WE'VE ABOUT STORAGE SPACES AROUND HERE, BEFORE THAT WE THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM, BUT AGAIN, IF IT MEETS THE CODE, IT MEETS THE CODE.

WE DON'T GET, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PICK THE BUSINESS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND STILL.

BUT I DO HAVE LOOKING AT IT.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THE CONCERNS I TOLD YOU ABOUT THEN LOOKING AT HOW CLOSE THEY ARE GETTING TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, BECAUSE GRANTED IT'S ONLY A COUPLE, BUT THEY ARE RESIDENTS.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE AND THEY LIVE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAND IS ZONED CURRENTLY.

IF IT WOULD BE A ZONING CHANGE, IF IT'S AG TO COMMERCIAL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, MARSHALL'S WHAT I WAS TOLD ABOUT JASON.

HE SOLD THAT WOULD BE A FIT WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE SAME WAY BEFORE.

IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR FEEDBACK, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE, I'M NOT GOING TO GET FROM FEEDBACK BLIND.

AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THOSE CONCERNS.

IF YOU'RE BUYING TOMORROWS, I, I HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF IT WAS CONTINGENT ON A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL OR PURCHASING MORE.

NOT THAT IT AFFECTS ME.

IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOU.

OBVIOUSLY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I WOULD HATE FOR YOU TO COME BACK LATER AND ME THROW A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AT YOU AND YOU SAY, WELL, I WAS HERE AND I ASKED YOU GUYS ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF WHEN I JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFO TO ASK PROPER QUESTIONS.

AND WHAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING? UH, JASON TOLD ME IT WAS PLANNED COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL PLANNED.

AND ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ENGINEERING AND COME BACK HERE AND YOU GUYS GO, WELL, WE DON'T WANT MINI STORAGE.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO APPROVE THAT.

AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, IF THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALL, I WAS TRYING TO GET A FEEL THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I READ ALL YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.

IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT FOR YOU ALL.

NO.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS.

I WILL ENTERTAIN NOMINATIONS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE TERRY WALTON FOR PRESIDENT SECOND.

ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR AND HEARING NONE.

I WILL ACCEPT THAT NOMINATION AND CONTINUE ON AS, AS CHAIR.

THANK YOU, JAN.

NEXT IS, UH, UH, ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.

JIM JEFFERIES HAVE TO SIT NEXT TO HIM.

AND THEN WHERE DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? THANK YOU.

UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOMINATE JAN VARGO JANIE UP FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

SURE.

SO WHILE WE WILL NEED TO DO ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR, THEN WE WILL NEED TO PASS OUT SOME SORT OF TO TAKE A VOTE OR WE DON'T DO IT LIVE.

NO, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

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WAIT A MINUTE.

NEVER BEEN HERE.

EVEN THOSE HALF PIECES OF PAPER.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MISS THE WHOLE THING.

GOT IT.

WE GOT TO DO THE WHOLE PAGE.

THE VOTES ARE IN JAN THREE AND JIM TO THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

YOU DON'T MISS ANY MEETINGS THIS YEAR? PROBABLY THE ONLY BATTLE ONE I COULD THINK OF, UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF, OF, UH, THE 2 22, 20 20 22 MEETING SCHEDULE SCHEDULE.

UM, I KNOW, UH, THERE WAS A FEW THAT YOU SAID, BUT WHAT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY CONFLICT WITH THIS? UH, WHAT WE'LL NEED TO DO IS GET A HOLD OF JERRY AND LET HER KNOW THAT WAY.

SHE KNOWS ON OUR UPCOMING, UM, OH, I'M COMING MEETINGS.

WHICH ONES YOU WOULD BE ATTENDING? YEAH.

I JUST HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE MAY 10TH AND THEN THE OCTOBER 11TH.

I'M NOT EITHER, SO, OKAY.

SO ANYWAY, SO EVERYBODY'S GOT A COPY OF THIS, KIND OF PUT HER ON YOUR CALENDAR AND FIND OUT WHAT YOU CAN'T MAKE AND GET AHOLD OF MS. HOSKINS.

AND, UH, GO FROM THERE.

WE HAVE A, UH, I DO BELIEVE YOU HAVE THIS, YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OR THE MINUTES FROM HERE.

THAT'S FINE.

NO, THAT'S FINE.

UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A SET OF MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 14TH MEETING, SO WE WILL JUST, UH, WELL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THOSE, UH, THE NEXT MONTH, OR I'M SORRY THAT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS NEXT MONTH, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT, FEBRUARY 15TH, RIGHT AFTER REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.

MR. CRL.

UM, JUST, UH, WELL THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, UH, JUST ONE MINOR.

WELL, IT SHOULD SAY MINOR.

THE ONE THING THAT IS COMING UP TO THE CITY ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT WITH YARDI COMPANY AND SB FRIEDMAN TO START THE, UH, DATA AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO I'VE GOT, I KNOW JOE, JOE, AND I HAVE A CALL I LEAVE NEXT WEEK.

UH, LET'S START THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU WANT THIS ORGANIZED AS FAR AS, UM, STEERING COMMITTEES, UM, ERODING INPUT THAT NATURE.

SO JOE AND I ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT, UM, ONCE YOU ALREADY PUT OBVIOUSLY AS WELL, UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT GETS IMPORTANT, BUT WITH YOU AND COUNSEL, I WOULD RECOMMEND SETTING UP A STEERING COMMITTEE TO HELP DRIVE THIS.

YOU PROCESS, UM, WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN ENGAGEMENT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, JOE AND I TALKING IN FEBRUARY, SO IT'S SOON.

IN, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALLY FIGURE OUT WHO WE WANT TO LET'S SAY REPRESENT US, UH, IN THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS.

SO NEXT WEEK, UM, JUST ABOUT PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT, HOW MUCH I'M GOING TO DO VERSUS HOW MUCH OKAY, WELL, YOU WOULDN'T NEED OUR INPUT ON THAT AT THAT TIME.

UM, SO WE'LL WHAT, WHAT I'M GONNA PROPOSE IS THAT WE HOLD A WORK SESSION WITH COUNTS WITH THE COMMISSION.

I THINK COMMISSION ON WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROCESS, GO THE TIMELINE, ET CETERA.

I DON'T KNOW.

AGAIN, I'M WALKING INTO A LOT OF THINGS COLD, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE, HOW INVOLVED YOU WERE IN IDENTIFYING CONSULTANTS, IF ANY.

SO I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS FOR ALL OF US TO BE THERE FOR THAT FIRST MEETING.

AND THEN WE COULD PROBABLY, AS

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SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THEN IS, AND, UM, MAYBE WE, WE TRY TO KEEP A RELATIVELY LIGHT AGENDA TIME PLAN SINCE IT'S IMPORTANT THAN MAKING SURE THAT WE PLAN ON THE FRONT.

IT MAKES THE PROCESS.

I AGREE.

HAVE YOU READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE NOW HAVE? I HAVE SKIMMED IT.

HOW MANY PAGES IS IT? IT'S NOT THAT MUCH, BUT THAT WAS GOING TO SAY, PERHAPS IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT TO US, SHOULD WE POSSIBLY CONSIDER A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CHAIRMAN'S CAPABLE OR IMMUNE GATE.

CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COMING IN AND KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIGHT AGENDA OR NOT.

WE CAN TOTALLY TIME TWICE A WEEK.

YOUR CODE REQUIRES THAT YOU MAKE A DECISION IN 30 DAYS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE TAKE AN APPLICATION AND WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN MASSAGE THAT.

DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE CA THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO ON YOUR WEBSITE, I WILL EMAIL EVERYBODY A LINK TO A TOMORROW.

AND IF THAT WAS A HARD COPY OR, YEP.

PERFECT.

SO YOU GOT A COPY OF IT CAN SEND IT TO US.

I THINK YOU COULD, DO YOU WANT US TO MAKE HARD COPIES FOR YOU? SURE.

I GET TO WHERE I CAN PUMP THROUGH IT LIKE THAT.

ONE MORE SEASONED ON THE WEBSITE.

AND THEN I GUESS THE ONLY THING FOR ME IS, UM, GIVE ME MY LICENSE FEEDBACK ON THE STAFF REPORTS.

HOW MUCH DETAIL DO YOU WANT? IS IT TOO MUCH TOO LITTLE? UH, I'VE GOT AN, I'M GOING TO LEARN FROM YOU ABOUT WHAT I NEED TO EMPHASIZE AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO EACH ONE OF USE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE.

SO YOU MEAN GIVE ME A MONTH OR SO.