Jan 04, 2022 Council Work Session

THERE IS ONE ISSUE.

ONE THING IS WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER ON HUBBARD THAT ARE SENIOR CITIZENS THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO CARRY CASES OF WATER INTO THEIR HOUSE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAME IN WITH THE WATER PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE HAD, ONE OF THE LADIES WAS GOING THROUGH A, DRIVE-THROUGH JUST BUYING FOUR BOTTLES AT A TIME.

CAUSE THAT'S ALL SHE COULD CARRY IN HER HOUSE SHE'S WIDOWED.

SO THAT DOES NOT SOLVE.

WE CAN HAVE THE MEYER'S GUY LOADED INTO THE CAR, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE HELP TO PUT IT BACK TO HER HOUSE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE CITIZEN INITIATIVE CAME.

SO WE STILL ARE GOING TO NEED SOMETHING TO HELP THESE CITIZENS GET IT INTO THEIR HOUSE IF THEY'RE DISABLED OR SENIORS.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE'LL LOOK TO FIND RESOLUTION FOR THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.

AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL.

I HAVE A TRUCK.

IF SOMEBODY ISN'T ABLE TO GET WATER IN THE HOUSE, I'LL DELIVER IT TO THEM.

MYSELF.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, FOR DIGGING INTO THIS.

I THINK THE VOUCHER PROGRAM SOUNDS LIKE A, A GREAT FIX FOR THIS.

UM, AND I'M WITH THE MAYOR, UH, IF ANYBODY NEEDS HELP WITH THAT, UM, I'M AVAILABLE AS WELL.

THERE WERE, THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WORKED ON THIS, SO I'M SURE THEY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, BRIAN, THE, UH, VOUCHER PROGRAM, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEFORE THAT IS UP AND RUNNING? UM, I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE BEGAN THIS DIALOGUE DURING THE HOLIDAYS, UH, WE'RE DOWN SEVERAL STAFF, PEOPLE ALREADY, UM, THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE OF.

WE HAVE SEVERAL SUPPORT STAFF AS WELL, THAT ARE NOW OUT FOR A VARIETY OF ISSUES AS WELL.

SO WE ARE LITERALLY DOWN TO MINIMUM MANNING IN ALMOST EVERY DIVISION, UH, AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT AS, AS IT ALLOWS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OPERATES EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE WAITING FOR, UM, WHAT WAS IT, TARGET MEIJER, WALMART AND KROGER.

DID YOU MENTION ARE THOSE

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FOR, THERE WERE YEAH.

TARGET MEIJER, WALMART LOWE'S AND KROGER, OR THE FIVE ON THE LIST.

SORRY ABOUT, LOWE'S ADMIT THAT I MISSED IT.

AND YOU'RE WAITING, THEY'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THOSE STORES AT CORPORATE TO GET FEEDBACK.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO TAKE HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES FOR TIME.

UM, I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.

THANK YOU AND STAFF FOR COMING UP WITH THAT, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT ENACTED HOPEFULLY SOONER, AS OPPOSED TO LATER, UH, WE DON'T HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY CURRENT WATER MAIN BREAKS AT THIS TIME? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

AND I KNOW, UM, I, I DON'T RECALL ANY WATER MAIN BREAKS THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER 24 HOURS TO FIX, UH, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH SUEZ, UM, IN THE EMAIL STRING, UH, TO GET THIS ONTO THE AGENDA, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED IN, UH, KEVIN CARTER HAD COME UP WITH THE ORIGINAL EMAIL AND, UH, I ENGAGED, I WAS ENGAGED ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SOMEONE REACHED OUT TO ME.

SO I TALKED TO MR. CARTER.

UM, BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED ALSO A COLLECTION POINT BEING AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, POTENTIALLY AS OPPOSED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, CAUSE THAT'S FULLY STAFFED 24 7 WE'RE FIRE MAY BE ON A RUN.

UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WONDERFUL IDEA AS WELL.

UM, WITH THE VOLUNTEER CITIZENS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO START COLLECTING AND USING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A COLLECTION POINT JUST FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL WE GET THE VOUCHER PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.

SO, OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE A POLICY DECISION BY COUNCIL BECOME THE ELEMENT OF THE POLICY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL? AND I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE CONCEPT HERE IS ABOUT, UH, WAYS TO REMEDIATE ISSUES TO OUR RESIDENTS.

AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT THAT OBJECTIVE, BUT MY JOB IS TO CONSIDER RISK AND LIABILITY TO THE CITY.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF JUST REAL QUICKLY AND THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE WOULD BE PURCHASING WATER FROM A VENDOR, SOMEONE ON THIS LIST, SOMEBODY ELSE, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE, WE PURCHASED THAT WATER.

WE PUT THAT WATER IN A MILDLY SECURED LOCATION AND A CITIZEN COMES AND ACCESSES THAT WATER.

I THINK EVERYBODY HERE REMEMBERS THE TYLENOL SCARE FROM SEVERAL DECADES AGO.

UH, BUT YES, KEEP BRINGING UP, UH, THE PROS AND CONS, ESPECIALLY CONS AND THE LIABILITY, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN MIND, UH, MAYOR, UM, I THINK THIS IS A POLICY THAT WE CAN WORK ON AND MOVE FORWARD.

NOW I KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMEWHAT EXTREME, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EXAMPLE, IT'S HYPERBOLIC ENOUGH TO DRIVE THE POINT HOME.

IF SOMEONE WERE TO SOMEHOW CONTAMINATE THAT WATER WHILE IT WAS AT THE STORE.

AND WE DID NOT KNOW THAT SOMEONE THEN TAKES THAT WATER FROM US, WHAT IS OUR LIABILITY AND WHAT IS OUR RISK IN THAT CHAIN? NOW THAT IS A HYPERBOLIC EXAMPLE, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WHEN AND THE DISCUSSION THAT I BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION THAT IF YOU WANT THIS TO BE A PROGRAM THAT WE ENACT, THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THESE THINGS, AS WE PUT TOGETHER, THE POLICIES AND THE PROCEDURES TO DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS, WHAT IS OUR LIABILITY? IF WE HELP THAT SENIOR CITIZEN MOVE THAT WATER IN SOMEHOW ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, TRIPS AND FALLS.

WHAT IF A VOLUNTEER TRIPS AND FALLS ENACTING OUR PROGRAM? WHAT IS OUR RISK? WHAT IS OUR LIABILITY? UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS THE SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE.

AND WE NEED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THAT.

SO TO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. LYONS, IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, IF THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT, THEN WE, A STAFF WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM YOU RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT THOSE CONCERNS AND RISKS MIGHT BE, OR HAVING COUNSEL FROM COUNCIL ON WHAT THOSE RISKS AND LIABILITIES MIGHT BE.

AND WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE WILLING TO BE PATIENT A FEW WEEKS LONGER, A MONTH OR SO LONGER, CAN WE PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS? CAN WE PROVIDE A BETTER SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS WITH VERY LIMITED RISK OR LIABILITY OR EXPOSURE? AND IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK WE CAN.

AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF AN ISSUE WHERE WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS OR BUSINESSES WITHOUT WATER FOR A 24 HOUR PERIOD.

SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THESE ARE RESIDENTS THAT ARE INCONVENIENCED, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, THEY ARE A VERY NOMINAL GROUP OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THIS.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT COUNCIL, THAT THE RISK IS WORTH THE REWARD, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT THAT'S THE POLICY DISCUSSION.

THAT'S THE POLICY DECISION THE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE IS THAT RISK WORTH IT.

I UNDERSTAND BRIAN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

UM, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE.

LIKE YOU ARE, I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE COMING UP, UH, DECADES, IF YOU ARE SITTING UP HERE, I'LL THINK OF SOME THINGS, BUT I CERTAINLY WON'T THINK OF EVERYTHING AND I DON'T HAVE A STAFF WORKING FOR ME TO HELP OUT WITH THAT.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THE VOUCHER PROGRAM IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL IDEA.

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IF COUNSEL IS, UH, AMENABLE.

I THINK THAT THE VOUCHER PROGRAM IS TERRIFIC IDEA.

I ALSO THINK THAT IN THE INTERIM TIME WE HAVE RESIDENTS TAKING IT UPON THEMSELVES TO HELP OTHER RESIDENTS OUT WITH THE COLLECTION.

AND IF WE CAN JUST HAVE A CENTRAL POINT UNTIL WE GET THE VOUCHER PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING FOR COLLECTION, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUT THOSE RESIDENTS AND VOLUNTEERS THAT I'VE TALKED TO.

I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN OUR POLICY TEMPORARILY AS WELL UNTIL WE GET THE VOUCHER PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, CERTAINLY YOU AND, UH, COUNCILMAN AUTO OR VOLUNTEERING TO HELP TAKE THE WATER FROM THE VEHICLE TO, UH, THE HOUSE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NEEDY.

AND I'M SURE YOU TWO ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT WILL BE DOING THAT OR BE VOLUNTEERING.

BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS A MINIMUM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'LL WAIT FOR THE WORLD COUNCIL.

I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY, SO FROM THE WATER PERSPECTIVE, SO IF THERE'S A WATER MAIN BREAK, THEY STILL HAVE WATER.

THE ISSUE HERE IS THE PORTABLE WATER.

SO IF SOMEONE HAS A WATERING BREAK IN THERE AS A BOIL ADVISORY, THEY'RE STILL TAKING SHOWERS, THEY CAN STILL COOK.

CAUSE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY BOY, IF THEY'RE BOILING THE WATER, DO WE KNOW OUT OF, OUT OF THESE BREAKS THAT WE HAVE, HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRING BOIL ADVISORIES? OR IS IT ONE EVERY FIVE BREAKS HAS A BOIL ADVISORY OR IS IT JUST, OR IS A BOIL ADVISORY? SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SEVERITY OF THIS IS AND HOW IMPACTFUL THESE BOIL ADVISORIES ARE.

I KNOW IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, THERE HAS BEEN ON A COUPLE OF STREETS.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THEM.

I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE AGAIN, AS I'M, AS I'M LISTENING TO BRIAN, TALK ABOUT RISK REWARD FROM A LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE.

AND I, I AGREE THAT THAT COULD BE A MOONSHOT, BUT IT IS ALSO WHAT IF I, I WOULD HATE FOR THIS CITY TO BE IN A LIBEL SITUATION TO GET SUED BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD.

UM, BUT WE'RE WHERE W HOW, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ISSUE BOIL ADVISORIES? WHEN WE HAVE A BREAK, UH, PRIOR TO A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE WERE ISSUING ONE FOR EVERY BREAK.

UH, EPA RULES CAME OUT A WHILE BACK THAT WE WEREN'T FOLLOWING, THEY WERE DOING EVERYONE.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO.

THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE'S FOUR LEVELS OF WATER, MAIN BREAKS.

I BELIEVE TWO OF THE LEVELS DO NOT REQUIRE OIL ALERTS.

AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY IF THE, THEY DON'T SHUT THE LINE DOWN, IT'S STILL UNDER PRESSURE WHEN THEY FIX IT.

IF IT DOESN'T DROP BELOW 20 PSI, THEN THEY DON'T FEEL THERE'S ANY CONTAMINATION.

SO THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A BOILER AT THAT TIME.

SO NOW I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER I'M GUESSING AT LEAST HALF ARE BEING FIXED WITHOUT SHUTTING THEM DOWN.

SO I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE, THE BOILERS ARE GOING TO BE PROBABLY REDUCED A LOT FROM WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS OF HOW OFTEN IT IS SHUT DOWN.

I THINK MORE OFTEN IT'S NOT SHUT DOWN AND THEY'RE ABLE TO FIX IT.

SO, AND THEY'RE TRYING HARDER TO DO IT THAT WAY SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A BOILER DIFFERENT LEVELS OF THE BOIL ADVISORY FROM TIME.

ARE THEY ALL STANDARD 72 HOURS OR 48 HOURS? OR YOU MIGHT HAVE TO ASK PAM ON THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE, BUT, UH, UH, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THAT YOU USUALLY, IT REQUIRES THE TESTING AND HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THE TESTING TO COME BACK.

AND THAT'S USUALLY LIKE A DAY OR TWO.

GOTCHA.

UH, AND MOST, ALMOST EVERY CASE THEY'VE COME BACK WHERE IT'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.

PEOPLE COULD HAVE DRANK, HAD DRINKING THE WATER AND NOT A PROBLEM.

UH, THE TESTING CAME BACK THERE WASN'T CONTAMINATION IN IT.

SO, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME.

TYPICALLY IT'S BEEN COMING BACK, WHERE IS THE SAFE CARD? PEOPLE COULD HAVE DRANK THE WATER AND NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, BUT I'M NOT TELLING PEOPLE TO DO THAT.

TWO THINGS FIRST OFFICE, I KNOW THE LAST BREAK ON HUBBARD WAS 120 HOURS.

SO IT, I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY GET THOSE LEVELS, BUT IT WAS ONE 20.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT TERRY LUCIA AND I DID STARTED COLLECTING WATER.

WE HAVE ABOUT 24 CASES AT ST.

PETE'S CURRENTLY THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING OUT AS PEOPLE NEEDED IT, ESPECIALLY SENIORS.

SO WE DO HAVE A STASH OF LIKE ABOUT 24 CASES RIGHT NOW.

SO WHEN THE NEXT BREAK HAPPENS, WHERE YOU STILL ARE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT, AND ST PETE'S HAS BEEN MORE THAN GRACIOUS TO KEEP IT IN A SECTION OF THEIR FOOD PANTRY FOR US.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT AND THE INTERIM TIME UNTIL WE GET THE VOUCHER SYSTEM UP, SO WE WILL CONTINUE DOING THAT UNTIL THAT'S ALL SET UP.

TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WATER ADVISORIES, WHAT THE CRITERIA ARE, UM, AND HOW THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING THE NOTICES TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S THAT'S AFFECTED IS PROPERLY NOTIFIED.

IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE PAM COME IN AND TALK

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AND SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY INFORMATION IS INFORMATION, RIGHT? SO I THINK THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING PAM HERE TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO WAIT FOR INFORMATION OR ANY FURTHER UNDERSTANDING THERE BEFORE, UM, BRIAN AND STAFF CONTINUE TO WORK AROUND THE VOUCHER PIECE.

SO, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE BRIAN, UH, GET IN TOUCH WITH PAM, HAVE HER COME IN.

AND, AND REALLY JUST, EVEN IF IT'S A QUESTION AND THE ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D WANT PAM TO JUST TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT.

IT COULD JUST BE A DISCUSSION OF QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS AROUND, AROUND THE WATER.

UM, BUT YES, WE CAN.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT.

I'M, I'M NOT BETWEEN THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED HERE TODAY AND THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ASKING EMAIL, SHE COULD USE THAT KIND OF AS A BASIS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, AND IF ANYTHING ELSE COMES UP.

I THINK EVEN JUST, AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT EDUCATION SO MUCH JUST PUBLIC INFORMATION AND HAVING, UH, HAVING OUT THERE SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE AND KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, SO I GUESS WHAT I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WE'VE HEARD IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ED IS RECOMMENDING US, UM, STORM WATER AND HAVE A WAY TO GET IT OUT.

IT SOUNDS CONTRARY TO WHAT BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION WAS.

ANITA HAS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE SHOW AT 2024 CASES, 23, 25.

SO WHEN YOU'VE BEEN DELIVERING THE WATER ABOUT HOW MANY BOTTLES ARE, OR HOW MUCH WATER IS EACH PART WAS EACH PERSON GETTING WHEN, AND THEY KNOW THEY NEED ANOTHER, THEY KNOW TO CALL IF THEY NEED ANOTHER CASE.

UM, BUT WE'RE REALLY TARGETING SENIORS, INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES OR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO GO OUT, TO GET THE WATER.

UM, ON AN AVERAGE, WE'VE BEEN DELIVERING ON EACH BREAK ABOUT 20 CASES.

UM, SO IT JUST DEPENDS.

I MEAN, SOME BREAKS IT'S BEEN LIKE ABOUT 36 HOUSES AFFECTED ANOTHER BREAK.

IT WAS LIKE 52.

SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF HOUSES.

SO I GUESS I'LL BE LOOKING AT IT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION.

WHY DON'T WE REPLENISH THE STOCK? I'VE ST.

PETER'S IS WILLING TO HOLD SOME FORCE AND SUEZ COULD KEEP A COUPLE CASES ON THEIR TRUCKS.

OH, THIS HOUSE IS AFFECTED.

LET'S GET THEM WATER RIGHT NOW.

IF THAT BE POSSIBLE.

DOES BRIAN DOES THE LIABILITY EXTENDED? SO SUE HAS ACTING UPON THE CITY.

SO WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE VOLUNTEERS IS IT TAKES THE CITY OUT OF IT, AT LEAST TO THAT POINT THAT REDUCES OUR LIABILITY.

SO, UM, BUT TO KATE'S POINT, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WHAT DOES THAT EXTEND OUR LIABILITY? IF IT'S A SUEZ PERSON HANDING OUT THE WATER? CORRECT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR, FOR PAM OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF AN ORGANIZATION, I'M SURE THAT THEY HAVE POLICY AND PROCEDURE AND RISK LIABILITY CONCERNS THAT THEY NEED TO, TO CONSIDER.

SO WE CAN ALWAYS ASK, BUT BASED ON WHATEVER THEIR ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, MANDATES AND THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD JUST SIMPLY BE ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE THOSE ON OUR BEHALF, EVEN IF WE ASK THEM TO AS A RESULT OF, YEAH.

SO WHAT HAS CADENCE? WHAT IF WE BOUGHT A REPLENISHED OR WE BOUGHT A HUNDRED CASES OF WATER AND HAD IT AT ST.

PETER'S THAT VOLUNTEERS WERE WILLING DELIVER IT, COULD THAT HOLD US OVER AND REDUCE LIABILITY TILL WE GET TO THE VOUCHER PROGRAM? MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THAT IS A DESIRE OF COUNCIL, YOU WOULD NEED TO DECLARE THAT ACQUISITION OF THE WATER TO BE FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE.

SO THAT THAT COULD BE MADE AND THEN DONATED TO ST.

PETE'S AND THEN ST.

PETER'S IN THIS CASE FOR THAT PURPOSE FOR THE LAW DIRECTOR.

BUT THAT'S AN IDEA.

I THINK THAT, I THINK IF WE REPLENISH THE SUPPLY, BECAUSE CHANCES ARE, THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE AND, UM, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, WE WANT TO HAVE SOURCES READY, NOT HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET IT.

OH, HERE'S THE DEAL.

THEY ONLY CAN HOLD ABOUT 30 CASES.

SO TO BUY A HUNDRED WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

SO WE CAN HAVE IT SENT TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT IN A SAFE, WE CAN REPLENISH IT AS THEY COULD BE A PHONE CALL THAT WOULD BE, AND WE COULD RUN IT OVER.

LIKE, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO GET ABOUT THIS CITY ASPECT OUT OF THIS, OTHER THAN PAYING FOR THE, AND LIKE GETTING GIFT CARDS.

AND LITERALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAND OUT IS GIFT CARDS.

LIKE, DO THEY EVEN SELL THAT SMALL DOMINATION, $10 WITH THE GIFT CARDS TO THESE LOCATIONS? I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THE UTILIZATION OF GIFT CARDS.

THOUGH, WHEN WE'VE HAD THE BREAKS AND I'VE GONE ON FACEBOOK AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVE SOME BREAKS.

BUT I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU

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WE NEED THIS REPLENISHED.

MY DECK ON MY PORCH HAS BEEN FILLED, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN GENEROUS AND KIND AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A BIG PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY FOR ONLY TALKING A MONTH HERE.

SO, UM, SO, SO WHAT WHAT'S COUNSEL'S WILL MOVING FROM THIS FROM FOUR YEAR OLDS.

I DO APOLOGIZE, MARY, I'M GOING TO LET YOU CONTINUE ASKING THAT QUESTION.

I DO A FOLLOW UP TO, UM, THE CITY MANAGERS REPORT, UH, AS HE SEGWAYED INTO SOME ITEM B I D I DO HAVE A QUESTION REFERRING BACK TO THE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET YOU, YEAH.

I WANT TO WRAP UP THE WATER BOTTLE.

I'M GOING TO GET THIS DONE AND THEN SORT OF WE'LL COME BACK, COME BACK FOR ANY COMMENTARY.

I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, IF WE'RE WORKING ON THE VOUCHER, UM, SOME TYPE OF VOUCHER SET UP AND WE MAY HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE WITHIN 30, 45 DAYS, I THINK THE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS PROBABLY KEEP UP, HOPEFULLY.

UM, AND, UH, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY BE FINE UNTIL I WOULD JUST SAY, THEN I NEED, IF IT COMES DOWN TO IT AND WE WE'VE RUN OUT OF WATER THERE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SUPPLY THAT'S PEOPLE HAVEN'T VOLUNTEERED PEOPLE.

HAVEN'T GOT IT AND PUT IT THERE.

IF THERE'S A BREAK, LET US KNOW ASAP.

AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING, GETTING A PO REAL QUICK TO GO TO WALMART AND BUY 30 MORE CASES OF WATER, WE, WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, OKAY.

SO IS, IS COUNCIL COMFORTABLE WITH JUST USING VOLUNTEERS TO THIS POINT UNTIL WE HAVE A VOUCHER PROGRAM OF RUNNING? IS THAT, IS THAT SATISFACTORY? EVERYBODY.

OKAY, GREAT.

RICHARD.

SO THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE'LL HANDLE THAT.

UH, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE PROVIDED THE BEST PRODUCT POSSIBLE.

UM, BRIAN, UM, AT A, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF WATER, IT WAS, UH, UM, DISCUSSED THAT, UH, WHAT THE LAST WATER MAIN LINING PROJECT THAT WE HAD.

THERE HAD BEEN SEVERAL BREAKS IN THAT, UH, IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS WARRANTED THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WITHHOLDING FUNDING, UH, TO PAY FOR THAT PROJECT.

CAN YOU GIVE COUNSEL AND UPDATE ON THAT? SURE.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE NOT PROCESSED THE FINAL PAYMENT, UH, FOR THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE APPROPRIATE WARRANTY BOND, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HADN'T HAD WHEN PREVIOUSLY WE HAD SPOKEN.

SO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAYBE YESTERDAY, INTERNALLY WAS IF THEY HAVE MET ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE CONTRACT AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED PAYMENT FOR SERVICE, UNLESS THERE IS A REASON THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR CAN OFFER, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE PAYMENTS SINCE THEY'VE POSTED THE WARRANTY BOND.

SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT PROCESS TO PAN OUT INTERNALLY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM FOR SERVICES RENDERED.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT, UM, UH, BEFORE PAYMENT, AND I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER I WOULD ASK BEFORE PAYMENT IS RENDERED THAT ENOUGH TO BE MADE TO THIS COUNCIL, UH, IN ANY DISCUSSION TO BE MADE THERE, FORTHRIGHT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, UM, IF PAYMENT NEEDS TO BE WITHHELD, BECAUSE AT LEAST WHEN I VOTED ON THAT PROJECT, I WAS TOLD THERE WAS GOING TO BE A, A SIGNIFICANT YEAR OF WARRANTY ON THAT PRODUCT, UH, AND TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, BREAKS LEAKS IN THAT AREA AFTER BEING DONE, WHEN THIS IS A PRODUCT, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT HAS BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY BY THIS COMPANY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE RISK ANALYSIS OF THE SOIL WAS DONE, UM, OR, OR WHAT, UM, I, I FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, CONCERNING, UH, IF OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, IN THE STATE OF OHIO OR ACROSS THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO USE THIS PRODUCT, CORRECT.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE, BASED ON ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BASED ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE CAUSE OF THOSE BREAKS AND OUR REVIEW OF THAT INFORMATION.

AGAIN, IF IT'S WARRANTED IN THE OPINION OF THE LAW DIRECTOR, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON TO WITHHOLD PAYMENT, THEN WE'LL MAKE PAYMENT.

BUT IF WE DO HAVE LEGITIMATE REASON TO HOLD PAYMENT, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE TO HOLD PAYMENT.

'CAUSE ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN HAVING WITH MULTIPLE RESIDENCES WAS THIS WATER LINING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DID WE DO ENOUGH DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS WATER LINING FROM THE GET-GO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOW PUT OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, AND IN A REACTIVE SITUATION WHERE INITIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS WHAT, 75% COST OF REPLACEMENT THAT HAD WE DONE THE REPLACEMENT INITIALLY IN THOSE AREAS, WE WOULD ALMOST BE AT A MUTE POINT ON THIS.

AND I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE BEFORE RENDERING PAYMENT OR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS COMPANY ON ANY OTHER WATER LENDING PROJECTS, UH, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE, UM, THAT, THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE NOT ONLY WITH OURSELVES, BUT WITH THE MANUFACTURER AS WELL.

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I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH EVEN THE NEWEST PIPE MIGHT BREAK.

AND SO THE PRODUCT ITSELF IS DESIGNED TO PREVENT OR TO LIMIT CERTAIN TYPES OF BREAKS OR TO MINIMIZE A MAJORITY OF TYPES OF BREAKS.

BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PRODUCT, NEW PIPE OR LINER THAT WOULD PROHIBIT ALL TYPES OF BREAKS FROM OCCURRING UNDER ANY CONDITION.

SO WE WILL GET, AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON CONSULT WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR AND TO DATE OUR CURRENT, UH, BREAK LEAK COUNT IN THAT AREA IS SITTING AT WHAT, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO ME TODAY, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF WATER MAIN BREAKS, WHICH WE HAVE RECORDED FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER WAS FOR, AND THE AREA THAT WE LINED TOTAL, TOTAL.

ARE YOU, I HAVE ONE OTHER THING, AND THIS IS JUMPING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD, ROSS, BUT WHEN THE, I LOOKED AT IT, THE WATER REPLACEMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE THIS YEAR, ALTAR IS ONE OF THOSE STREETS.

CAN WE ASSURE THAT THAT IS PUT IN THE CONTRACT THAT IS NOT DONE DURING, WHEN SCHOOL STARTS, BECAUSE ALTER HAS TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ON IT AND TO HAVE IT DUG UP IS A MAJOR INCONVENIENCE FOR FAMILIES.

SO IF THAT COULD BE DONE DURING NON SCHOOL TIME IN THE SUMMER, THAT WOULD BE BEST FOR EVERYBODY.

I THINK.

AND MOST OF THE, ALMOST, I THINK ALL OF THEM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THE STREET OPEN.

SO, UH, BUSES COME THROUGH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.

JUSTIN, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN.

UH, BRIAN, IN REGARD TO, I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST TOPIC THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE RFP AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING REGARDING THE WATER MAIN BREAK.

COULD YOU RECAP THAT AGAIN AND EXPLAIN THE TIMELINE? AND DID YOU SAY YOU HAD CUT BETWEEN YOU AND RUSS, YOU SHORTEN THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT'LL TAKE TO GET THE PROJECT? YES, SIR.

I APOLOGIZE.

I HAVE THE SCHEDULE HANGING IN MY OFFICE AND I, I MEANT TO GRAB IT FOR THIS MEETING, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT IS COUNSEL RECALLS.

UH, WE BEGAN THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE 20, 22 OPERATING BUDGET THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO ADDITIONAL LIGHTING PROJECTS WHEN WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THESE ISSUES, UH, IN THE AREA THAT WERE JUST LINED IN.

SO BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, THE DECISION WAS MADE THAT COUNCIL WOULD INVEST IN WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO CURE THE MOST PROBLEMS, UH, WITH AN INITIAL INVESTMENT BECAUSE COUNCIL WANTED THE PROCESS EXPEDITED.

WHAT WE AS STAFF ASKED WAS FOR THE ABILITY TO AWARD ENGINEERING AND DESIGN WORK.

THIS IS NOT JUST AS SIMPLE AS WE PUT THE OLD WATER MAIN WHERE THE NEW WATER MAIN IS.

SO WE HAVE TO GO OUT.

UH, WE LIKE I DO THE WORK, THE CONTRACTOR AND THE PROFESSIONALS HAVE TO GO OUT AND EFFECTIVELY MAP A NEW LOCATION AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING WATER MAIN BASED ON COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AND A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION INTERNALLY AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND NOW MOVE THE WATER MAINS OUT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE ROAD, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS AND PUT THEM IN THE GRASS TREE LINES.

SO WE HAVE TO NEGATE, WE NEED TO NAVIGATE AROUND ALL OF THE UTILITIES THAT ARE IN THERE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEND THIS OUT AND WHY IT HAS TO BE ENGINEERED.

THIS.

ISN'T JUST A SIMPLY JUST DIG A HOLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B PIPE IN IT.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS INSTANCE IS WE ASKED COUNCIL FOR PERMISSION TO DIRECTLY SOLICIT VENDORS, ENGINEERS, TO DESIGN THIS WORK WE'VE GONE ABOUT AND DONE THAT.

WE'RE NOW WAITING ON THEIR PROPOSALS TO COME BACK FOR COST AND SCHEDULE ON DESIGN.

WE SOLICITED AS MANY VENDORS AS POSSIBLE.

WHAT MAKES THE PROJECTS GO FASTER IS WHEN WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE FIRMS DESIGNING MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

AND SO WE'VE ELECTED TO DO THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THAT, UH, THOSE PROPOSALS BACK NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS THE 10TH STAFF WILL REVIEW AND EVALUATE THOSE PROPOSALS TO DETERMINE LOWEST, BEST QUALIFIED STAFF WE'LL MAKE THE AWARD BASED ON PERMISSION GIVEN FROM, UH, FROM COUNCIL ON THE ENGINEERING.

ONLY THE ENGINEERING WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 45 DAYS, MAYBE 60.

SO I'M AN EAGER BEAVER.

SO APPROXIMATELY 60 DAYS, ONCE THAT ENGINEERING IS DONE, WE WILL THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND AUTHORIZE BIDDING AND AWARD

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AT THAT TIME.

AND THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT THE NORMAL COUNCIL PROCESS IS.

SO THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL BECOME AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT THE PRICE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE.

AND YOU WILL HAVE SOME SAY IN WHO THE FINAL VENDOR IS THAT SELECTED.

ONCE WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE ALL OF THAT DONE BY MAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR AM I AGAIN? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE.

I MEANT TO BRING THE SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S HANGING IN MY OFFICE.

SO THE, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE PROJECTS AWARDED BY EARLY TO MID SUMMER FOR CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN THE EVENT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK DONE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE GETTING A LATER START THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD BECAUSE WE HAD ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED LINING, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE ENGINEERING AS OPPOSED TO A REPLACEMENT, WHICH DOES, UH, BASED ON THE REQUEST THAT WAS JUST MADE BY, UH, COUNSELOR KITCHEN.

WE MAY HAVE SOME CARRY OVER INTO 23 WITH SOME OF THIS WORK, IF THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT ULTIMATELY THIS PROCESS THAT I'VE JUST DESCRIBED CUTS APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS, WE BELIEVE, WE BELIEVE WE'LL CUT 30 DAYS FROM THE NORMAL PROCESS.

SO COUNSEL'S REQUEST WAS FOR US TO GET THIS IN GEAR, GET IT IN GEAR FASTER THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD.

AND AS A RESULT OF SOME, SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME UP OUT OF ENGINEERING, THIS PROCESS WILL CUT APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS.

WE BELIEVE SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WANT TO THANK RUSS AND YOUR TEAM AND YOU BRIAN FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND LISTENING TO COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AND EXPEDITING EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR BRIAN AND THE SAME MANAGER UPDATE OR THE, UM, BOTTLED WATER ISSUE BEFORE YOU FALL? OKAY.

THANKS, BRIAN.

AND THANKS TO BRANDON.

I THINK WE'RE ALL UP AND RUNNING NOW, RIGHT? ARE WE GOOD?

[ Not To Exceed Amount Increase - Landscape Structures - Parks and Recreation]

TO SEE COUNCIL APPROPRIATES THE MONEY TO, TO AWARD THE STUDENTS WHO CAME FORWARD AND WERE RESPONSIBLE AND LET US KNOW WHO DID IT.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, INCREASE FOR LANDSCAPE STRUCTURES THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO THIS IS BRIAN AS WELL.

UH, YES, SIR.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF, UH, THE ESTIMATED BUDGET ON THE PROJECT.

THIS IS A COMBINATION ACQUISITION OF, UH, PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES FOR THE EICHELBERGER AMPHITHEATER, WHICH WAS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET.

AND THEN THERE IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAY STRUCTURE OVER AT COMMUNITY PARK, WHICH WAS THE, UM, THE UNFORTUNATE VICTIM OF VANDALISM.

SO THE TWO OF THESE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, AN INCREASE IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT.

AND WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL APPROVED THAT LEGISLATION ON THE MONDAY EVENING.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND ACTUALLY THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

I KIND OF WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT IT WITH ALL OF COUNCIL.

SO WE HAD, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A VANDALISM INCIDENT OCCUR AT COMMUNITY PARK AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, MR. WEBB HAD GOT IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND FOUND OUT THAT THERE'S THIS BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION, UH, BASED THAT WOULD OFFER SOME TYPE OF REWARD BASED ON SOME TYPE OF VANDALISM, BUT IT'S THE, BUT THE COMMISSIONERS WHO DETERMINED THE AMOUNT, CORRECT.

IT'S NOT US.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS AMOUNT, WASN'T UP TO 5,000.

UM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY OWN OPINION HERE ABOUT THIS.

AND I HOPE COUNCIL AGREES, BUT ONCE WE LET STUDENTS KNOW THAT, UH, THERE WAS A, I MEAN, THERE WAS AN AWARD BEING OFFERED.

I MEAN, WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THAT BEING NOTED, I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE WERE STUDENTS IN MY CLASSROOM TELLING US WHO DID THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION IS GOING TO COME ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MONEY IS GOING TO WORK TO REPAY, BUT I THINK, UM, I WOULD HATE FOR PEOPLE TO THINK THAT WE WERE GOING TO OFFER A REWARD AND THEN WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS THERE, THERE ARE FOUR, FOUR STUDENTS IN PARTICULAR WHO IMMEDIATELY CAME TO US TO LET US KNOW, UH, IT TURNED THOSE STUDENTS OVER TO, UH, TO OUR SOR OFFICER.

AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT WHO DID IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THIS OTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT, UM, COUNSEL DETERMINES THE CORRECT AWARD AMOUNT AND WE APPROPRIATE SOME MONEY TO DIVIDE AMONGST THOSE FOUR STUDENTS.

I ALSO THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THOSE STUDENTS IDENTITY, UM, PRIVATE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ANY ONE OF THEM WOULD WANT TO GET OUT THERE, KNOW THAT THEY'RE THE ONES WHO SAID SOMETHING, BUT I, BUT I WOULD JUST HATE FOR US TO NOT HONOR WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO.

SO, UM, WHETHER THAT'S $5,000, BECAUSE IT WAS AN UP TO $5,000 FROM THE BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD LIKE

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UM, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, YES, GLENN, SAME TOPIC, DIFFERENT QUESTION THERE.

BRIAN, HAVE WE, UH, RECEIVED ANY TYPE OF INSURANCE PROCEEDS TO, UM, COVER ANY OF THIS REPLACEMENT? I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE RECEIVED A PAYMENT, BUT THE INSURANCE COMPANY WILL REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THE PURCHASE VALUE OF THE PLAY STRUCTURE RUN.

WHEN IT WAS FIRST ACQUIRED BY THE CITY YOU'RE TALKING TO OUR INSURANCE COMPANY OR THE, OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, HAVE WE PERSONALLY SUED, UM, THEY, THE PARENTS OF THE, OF THE KIDS INVOLVED, WE ARE, UH, WE ARE IN A PRODUCT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING FROM THE STAFF MEETING THIS MORNING.

I WAS ADVISED WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RECEIVING A VICTIM, UH, WITH VICTIM ADVOCATES PACKET AND WHICH WE WILL BE ABLE TO REQUEST FROM THE COURT, ANY COMPENSATION OR ANY KIND OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXPENSES INCURRED, BEEN ADVISED BY THE COURT THAT A BIT ADVISED BY THE ADVOCATE'S OFFICE THAT TYPICALLY IN JUVENILE COURT $500 IS THE MAXIMUM THAT THE COURT WILL LOOKS WITH RESPECT TO COMPENSATING VICTIMS, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE PAPERWORK.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THE PACKET YET.

THAT WAS BASED ON A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE COURT AND THE PARKS MANAGER.

SO WE ARE PURSUING WHAT AVENUES ARE AVAILABLE TO US.

TYPICALLY OUR INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD TALK TO THE OTHER PARTY'S INSURANCE COMPANY.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD APPLY IN THIS CASE.

THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR MS. KNISELY THAT'S, UH, HER DEPARTMENT, HR ALSO HANDLES OUR INSURANCE RISK AND LIABILITY.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE, THOSE OPTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY THERE.

TH THERE SHOULD BE LIABILITY FUNDS AVAILABLE IF THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROPERTY POLICY, UM, THEY, THEY COULD COVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE PURSUED THIS, UM, FOR TWO REASONS, ONE, IT, UH, IT, IT SPENDS LESS OF THE CITY'S MONEY AND THE PEOPLE'S MONEY AND MORE OF THE PEOPLE'S MONEY WHO SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE SPENT.

IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, PARENTS FIND OUT THAT THEIR INSURANCE IS GOING TO GET ATTACHED, UM, FOR SOMETHING THEIR KIDS DID IN THE CITY THEN, WELL, THERE, THERE MAY BE A CHANGE OF THOUGHT ON THAT.

FROM COUNSEL, UH, ONCE HE HAS THAT INFORMATION SO THAT YOU AREN'T AWARE OF, OF WHEN TO EXPECT THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

AND I WAS JUST THINKING ALSO, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE GOT A VETERANS MEMORIAL AND PEOPLE MAY LOOK AT CALLED PARK AND PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VANDALISM AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU, I MEAN, THE WAY THAT YOU SAW EVANGELISM IS THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING IT, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET RATTED ON AND CAUGHT WELL, THINK OF BILL.

THEY MIGHT THINK TWICE.

SO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS NOT GO BACK ON, ON WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO.

I THINK, I THINK THESE KIDS, I MEAN, LOOK, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE INFORMATION FLOWS, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM.

I MEAN, SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON YES, KATE MAYOR, WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO REWARD? WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS ALWAYS UP TO, SO IT JUST STARTED WITH THE BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS UP TO $5,000.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DETERMINED IT, THIS WASN'T A MASSIVE STRUCTURE FIRE, RIGHT.

FROM AN ARTIST CAN GIVE US SO ARSON, BUT IT WASN'T A BURDEN ON A HOUSE OR AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, THIS IS WORTH $500 BECAUSE THE PLAYGROUND, SO, UM, I THINK COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, JUST REWARD THE STUDENTS THAT CAME FORWARD TO TOOK THE RISK, UM, AND WHATEVER APPROPRIATE FUNDS THAT YOU THINK WOULD, WOULD BE NECESSARY THAT WOULD HELP DETER KIDS FROM DOING THIS.

AGAIN, PERSONALLY, I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, IF EACH OF THE STUDENTS THAT CAME FORWARD WERE TO RECEIVE $500, THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE OVERJOYED.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'D BE A 2004 STUDENTS, THAT'D BE 2000, $2,000.

I MEAN, W I, I JUST, I WANT US TO DO SOME I'D LIKE US TO DO SOMETHING, WHATEVER COUNCIL DECIDES I'M, I'M OKAY WITH.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING, RICHARD, UM, AND, UH, WITH RESPECT TO BRIAN'S COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO SEE A REPORT FROM MS. KNISELY ON WHAT, UH, WHAT INSURANCE PROCEEDS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, WHAT WE ARE GOING BE RECEIVING.

I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE THIS COUNCIL A BETTER USE OF INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION ALONG THAT NATURE.

SWITCHING GEARS A BIT.

UM, BRIAN, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ETA OF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD AND INCREASING, UH, THIS NOT TO EXCEED ON? UM, WHEN COMMUNITY CAN SEE A STRUCTURE BACK THERE AGAIN, UH, I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FROM, I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE FROM THE PARKS MANAGER SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME YET ON WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE EQUIPMENT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE

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AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE EICHELBERGER PROJECT THAT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPEARHEADED INITIATED BY THE PARKS AND REC, CORRECT.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, MAYOR, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE RESOLUTION AT HAND, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM MOVING THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY.

UM, AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENTS, I WOULD AGREE THAT SOMETHING WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

I KNOW WE'VE SET PRECEDENTS BEFORE ON, ON SAVINGS, BONDS AND, AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE, UM, THE QUANTIFIED DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY, WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.

UM, I DO, UM, AGREE WITH MR. ADDIS STATEMENT, UM, AND JOINTLY WITH YOURS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CITY IN THIS COUNCIL, UH, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET A PRECEDENT, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THIS CRAP STOP.

UM, AND FOR PARENTS TO KNOW THAT IF THEIR KIDS ACT UP, UH, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AS WELL.

AND JUST SORT OF, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT RIGHT NOW.

WE JUST HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS YET.

UM, AND UNDER THIS TOPIC, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP AS A, AS A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

SO CERTAINLY WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

MA'AM UH, AND, UH, TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, UM, I BELIEVE COUNCIL AGREED IN PRINCIPLE TO SOME TYPE OF REWARD.

UH, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, IT WAS INITIALLY IT WAS DONE.

UM, I DON'T RECALL IF WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE REWARD.

I THINK IT WAS ALL DONE THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THROUGH THE BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT'S HOW THAT GOT STARTED.

UM, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER CONVERSATION WHERE COUNCIL HAD COLLECTIVELY SAID YES.

UM, I MEAN, AND MAYBE THERE WAS, I'M JUST NOT RECALLING IT AT THE MOMENT, BUT YEAH.

TELL ME, DID WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THAT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE DIAS.

AND I THINK IT WAS DURING THE WORK SESSION MAYBE, UM, THAT THE MAYOR HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT OFFERING A TYPE OF AWARD.

AND I MEAN, I KNOW WE DIDN'T VOTE ON ANY LEGISLATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK WE AGREED IN PRINCIPLE THAT THERE WOULD BE, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, I DON'T REMEMBER.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MEETINGS I WAS NOT PRESENT.

UM, MY APOLOGIES POSSIBLE.

I'M JUST, I'M NOT, I MEAN, I KIND OF GOT THE IDEA IN MY HEAD, BUT I APOLOGIZE NOT HAVING ANY MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE THIS WAS JUST TALKED ABOUT.

AND SINCE THAT CONVERSATION, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT ON THE DYES PUBLICLY.

SO WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A MOVEMENT AGAINST, UM, SOME TYPE OF REWARD NOW THAT I'M UNAWARE OF.

NO, THERE'S NO.

SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NO COMMISSION CAN COME BACK AND SAY THAT WAS A SMALL PLAYGROUND.

IT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR, WE STILL GET TO DECIDE THAT RIGHT.

WELL, I MEAN, THE COMMISSION HAS THEIR COMMISSION, THE BLUE RIBBON THAT IS THEIR DECISION, BUT WE CAN STILL, WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN.

SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I HAD AGREED TO OFFER THAT YOUR SUGGESTION OF $5,000 REWARD AND IN PRINCIPLE, NOT THE DETAILS, BUT IN PRINCIPLE.

AND I'M FINE STICKING WITH THAT, JERRY.

UM, THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP THAT THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE AND IT APPEARS THAT BEING IN SCHOOL, THEY'RE PROBABLY MINORS.

ARE THERE LAWS, UH, FOR CONFIDENTIALITY THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY, UH, PUBLIC RECORDS, LAWS DON'T MAKE ANY, OR DO NOT MAKE ANY REAL DESIGNATION BETWEEN JUVENILES OR MINORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO IF IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD, IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD, EVEN IF IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S UNDER IT.

ISSUES THAT WE DO LEGALLY HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THESE ARE MINOR BY, IN FOLLOWING THE LAW, WHICH IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR ME, BUT I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE TOO.

AND, UH, I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE SENSITIVE.

THE MAYOR BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY OF SUPPOSEDLY ALLEGEDLY MY SUGGESTION AS MINORS.

UM, PERHAPS YOU CAN THINK ABOUT A WAY TO KEEP THEIR CONFIDENTIALITY WHILE FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC LAWS.

SO PERHAPS, UH, PAYMENT TO THE PARENT, AS OPPOSED TO STUDENT IT'S STILL A NAME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THERE.

AND THE OTHER PART, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, THAT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AN ISSUE IS IF WE'RE GIVING MONEY FOR AWARD AND IT'S TAXPAYER MONEY, WE NEED TO TRACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE THAT ARE GETTING IT IS VALID.

AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE TAXPAYERS THAT WE'RE DOLING OUT IS ACCOUNTED FOR ACCURATELY.

SO, UM, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LEGAL DECISION.

SO, UM, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

THANK YOU, MARY, TO MAKE THE THING ABOUT THE CONFIDENTIALITY IS, IS THAT IF, IF IT EVER HAPPENS AGAIN, RIGHT, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE AFRAID OF COMING FORWARD BECAUSE THEIR NAME IS BEING BLASTED.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK WE HAVE, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.

AND I, AND I THINK THERE ARE

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UM, I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT LEGALLY AND KEEPING SOMEWHAT CONFIDENTIAL.

UM, PART OF IT NOW, AT SOME PART, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NAME, A CHECK, SHOULD IT BE CITY TAXPAYER MONEY.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED ON THE DICE AND A PUBLIC MEETING IS ONE LEVEL, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD LEGAL QUESTION AND I HAVE FULL FAITH IN OUR LEGAL YEAH.

AND I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY A, BE A PAPER TRAIL JUST SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BIG CELEBRATION AND , BUT THAT'S MY THING.

BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING BECAUSE I'VE AGREED IN PRINCIPLE, UH, FOR, UH, THE REWARD, BUT THE DEVIL'S ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS.

SO, UH, OUR COUNCIL'S ON IT AND, UH, HOPEFULLY HE'LL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING REALLY WORKABLE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

OTHER PRE THEY SHOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE.

THANKS.

UM, TWO POINTS, USUALLY IT'S NOT PAID OUT UNTIL THERE'S A CONVICTION.

SO WE DO HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO WORK ON THIS AND THAT'S PART OF THE BLUE RIDGE.

THE BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION IS KIND OF TIED UP, TIED UP AROUND THAT TO, AND THE NEXT POINT IS MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER COULD GET US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SECURITY FOR OUR ASSETS AND PARKS, THE CAMERAS AT THIS, LIKE THE NEXT WORK SESSION OR IN A MONTH FROM NOW LIKE THE COST OF CAMERAS AND EACH PARK WOULD BE DIFFERENT BASED ON WHAT ASSETS WE'RE LOOKING TO PROTECT.

WE ARE WORKING TO INSTALL A CAMERA NOW AT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.

SO THAT PROJECT IS NOT YET COMPLETE.

UH, IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO BE PATIENT, WE CAN BRING THAT INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COSTS TO PROTECT THAT ONE PARTICULAR ASSET.

AND THEN WE CAN MULTIPLY IT BY, WELL, LIKE I GIVE HER THE SKATE PARK AND THERE ARE OTHER, UM, I CAN'T THINK OF THE WATER PARK, BUT LIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER, LIKE MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING HER ASSETS.

LIKE AT 60 DAYS, THE TIMEFRAME IS 60 DAYS.

GOT SOMETHING FOR IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

AND YEAH, SO WE HAVE TO, I'M SORRY.

GOOD.

THIS PLAYGROUND GOING TO HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT FOR ITS CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AS WELL IN IT THERE, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE COMMUNITY PARK EITHER? YES, BOTH.

THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROM AGAIN, FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH THE PARKS MANAGER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE EICHELBERGER STRUCTURE WASN'T ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO INCLUDE AMENITIES FOR, UH, DISABLED CHILDREN, UH, THAT, SO THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT STRUCTURE, THE COMMUNITY, UH, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING ORDERED IS WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME ELEMENTS TO IT FOR HANDICAPPED CHILDREN TO UTILIZE THAT STRUCTURE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE DID NOT, UH, DID NOT HAVE THOSE FEATURES.

SO.

UH, ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

THREE D WHICH IS THE PURCHASE OF AN AERIAL TRUCK FOR THE FIRE DIVISION, CHIEF VITALLY ALREADY, SIR.

SO NEXT IS ITEM

[ Purchase of Aerial Truck - Fire Division]

GOOD.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

AND WE COULD NOT HAVE EVERYTHING IN ONE TRUCK.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

UM, YEAH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, LOOK TO REPLACE OUR A 15 YEAR OLD ARIEL TRUCK.

UH, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN THE CIP AND WE PUSHED IT BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS.

UM, IT'S A VERY HEAVILY USED PIECE OF APPARATUS.

UM, I THINK LAST YEAR I LOOKED, IT WAS ON ABOUT 1,440 RESPONSES.

UM, THE TRUCK HAS LIKE 95,000 MILES ON IT STARTING TO BECOME A LITTLE LESS RELIABLE AND COST OF OWNERSHIP IS INCREASING.

SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TONIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAT DOWN AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THIS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE.

AND, UH, WE STARTED TALKING AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPERA, UH, DIFFERENT OPERA MODES OF OPERATION.

AND, UH, WE WENT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE FAME BAY LIVED HERE IN THE EARLY NINETIES.

YOU REMEMBER OUR BIG YELLOW TRUCK WITH A, UH, CAB ON THE FRONT STEERING WHEEL IN THE BACK.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY A TILLER OR A TRACTOR DRAWN ARROW APPARATUS.

AND WE STARTED KIND OF ASKING OURSELVES, WHY DID WE EVER GET AWAY FROM THIS? AND THE REASON WHY WE GOT AWAY FROM IT, UH, CHIEF MAUL WAS HERE WHEN WE DID THAT.

UM, WE GOT AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE WE NEEDED A NEW VEHICLE

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TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.

NOW WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING IN ONE TRUCK.

WE CAN HAVE A LADDER, WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE GROUND LADDERS, WE CAN HAVE A PUMP AND WE CAN HAVE WATER ON IT.

SO NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO TRUCKS ON ANY FIRE THAT NEEDED WATER, WE CAN RESPOND LIKE ON A CAR FIRE, THE ROUTINE TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE DO ON A NORMAL BASIS, WE CAN USE WITH ONE VEHICLE.

SO, UH, WE GOT A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER.

I WAS REALLY, REALLY IMPRESSED.

I THINK WE HAD, UH, AT LEAST 15, I'M NOT SURE ON THE EXACT NUMBER.

WE FORMED A, UH, A, UH, ARIEL WORKING GROUP THAT, UH, CHIEF MOLE LED, UH, THEY WENT ON SOME FIELD TRIPS, WENT AROUND, UM, UH, AS ONE OF THE, UH, UNPAID CONSULTANTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO OUT OF SEATTLE SAID THAT CHIEF MOLES TURNED EVERY STONE AND MORE STONES THAN HE'S EVER SEEN ANYBODY ELSE, UH, TURNOVER.

SO, UH, WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE THINK IS A VERY, VERY GOOD PACKAGE.

IT'S, UH, UH, LENGTHENING A RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD WITH AN OHIO BASED FAMILY OWNED COMPANY.

UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, ONE MANUFACTURER THAT WE LOOKED AT WE'VE OWNED FOR ABOUT 14, 15 YEARS IN THE, THE MANUFACTURER WE'RE GOING WITH WE'VE OWNED FOR 14 AND 15 YEARS.

AND WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO IS, UH, WHO STOOD BY THEIR PRODUCT BETTER.

WHO'S MADE, UH, MADE THE, UM, THE COST OF, OR THE, UH, THE WORK OF OWNERSHIP, EASY AND BEEN RESPONSIVE TO US.

AND THAT'S THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE COMING TO YOU TODAY WITH A, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO PURCHASE A, UH, FOR $1.5 MILLION ON AERIAL TRUCK.

UH, THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR GROUNDWATER STORAGE.

WE'VE HAD NEW RISK.

UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WE USED TO HAVE ONE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT HAD THREE STORIES AND THAT WAS SWAN LAKE WAS SWAN LAKES, OBVIOUSLY, UH, GOING AWAY AND WE'RE REPLACING IT WITH BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS.

AND, UH, THE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY, WE REALIZED THE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY PROVIDES US A LOT OF GREAT OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO IF YOU CHALLENGE US AND, UH, THIS LADDER TRUCK WILL NOW ALLOW US RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ONE LADDER THAT WILL KIND OF GET TO A FOUR-STORY WINDOW.

UH, THIS TRUCK WILL HAVE ONE, ONE LADDER THAT WILL GET PAST THE FOUR STORY WINDOW AND TWO OTHER LADDERS THAT WE'LL GET TO BE ABLE TO HELP FACILITATE, UH, UM, A RESCUE.

SO RIGHT NOW THE TRUCK WE HAVE HAS, UH, HAS 1 35 FOOT LADDER ON IT.

THIS TRUCK IS GOING TO HAVE A 45 FOOT LADDER TO 35 FOOT LADDERS, MOST LIKELY 2 28 FOOT LADDERS.

WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM ABOUT 120 FOOT OF GROUND LADDERS TO ALMOST WHAT 292 64.

SO ABOUT 264 FEET OF GROUND LADDERS.

WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM 200 AND SOME 220 CUBIC FEET OF STORAGE TO OVER 600 CUBIC FEET OF STORAGE.

UH, IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG VEHICLE.

UM, THIS BEING A BIGGER VEHICLE, A MORE EXPENSIVE VEHICLE.

WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR OPERATION HUBER HEIGHTS FOR, YOU KNOW, 30 SOME YEARS STATION 23 ON THE WEST END OF TOWN IS ALWAYS BEEN THE BUSIEST WHEN WE'VE CONSTRUCTED THE NEW FIRE STATION STATION 23 IS NOW NOT THE BUSIEST STATION.

22 IS.

SO PART OF ALL OF THIS OPERATION IS, IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OUR LADDER TRUCK OVER TO THE WEST SIDE AND, UH, UH, HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN THE AMOUNT OF MILES THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON IT.

AND IT WILL BE CLOSE TO SOME OF OUR NEWER HAZARDS THAT WE SEE COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO THE ASK IS, IS, UH, FOR US TO USE A, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A COOPERATIVE BIDDING SITE CALLED SOURCE.

WELL, THE CITY'S USED IT BEFORE TO BUY A PIECE OF STREET EQUIPMENT.

UM, WE ARE ASSURED BY BOTH VENDORS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, ASSURED US THAT THE SOURCE, WELL, AS THE BETTER BIDDING SITE TO GO TO THE STATE OF OHIO BIDDING SITE CHARGES 0.07, 5% OF THE PURCHASE COST FOR USING THEIR BIDDING SYSTEM SOURCE WELL COSTS $2,000.

SO USING THIS SOURCE WELLS SITE IS ALLOWING US TO GET A COMPETITIVE PRICE AT A LOWER COST OF, UH, USER LOW, LOWER USER FEE OR A LOWER SURCHARGE FOR USING THE BETTING SITE.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR GPS, NANCY? I HAVE SEVERAL, HOW MANY YEARS IS, HAS THE EXISTING VEHICLE? DID YOU REPLACE IT IN, AT SERVICE BECAUSE THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE A, IT WENT IN SERVICE IN 2007, 2007.

AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? THE OLD ONE, OUR GOAL WOULD BE IS WITH THE RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE.

UM, IF IT MAKES SENSE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REPAIR ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP ON US.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THE, THE, THE WORLD WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW, WE NO LONGER BUY THIS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO BE REALLY HAPPY GETTING IT IN A YEAR.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING UP TILL ALMOST TWO YEARS TO GET, TAKE DELIVERY OF THIS NEW TRUCK.

UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE CITY, THE AGE OF OUR CURRENT RESERVE APPARATUS, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS AS A RESERVE PIECE, UH, THE LADDER TRUCK THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY GO INTO A RESERVE

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PIECE.

IT WOULD NOT HAVE THE WEAR AND TEAR THE DAILY WEAR AND TEAR, AND, UH, IT'S SUITED TO BE A FIRE ENGINE OR A LADDER TRUCK.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT FOR A WHILE.

AND, UM, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN SO GOOD OVER THE YEARS AT GETTING GRANTS, HAVE YOU GUYS PURSUED A GRANT TO HELP PAY FOR THIS? UM, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE LADDER TRUCK IS, IS THERE'S A CAP.

AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THERE'S A RANKING STRUCTURE.

WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH BUYING A FIRE ENGINE, AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING IS WRITING A GRANT FOR A FIRE ENGINE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN NEED FOR.

SO WE THINK THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY BETTER FITS THE SMALLER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF WE WERE A MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENT, YOU GET DIFFERENT SCORING, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN, WE'RE BETTER TO ASK FOR A LITTLE LESS MONEY TO GET UP A LITTLE BETTER CHANCE ON BEING ABLE TO GET A GRANT.

GREAT.

UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU IS SINCE THIS LADDER TRUCK IS GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT BIGGER THAN THE EXISTING ONE, ARE WE GOING TO REACH A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ROOM AND EXISTING FIRE HOUSES TO STORE AND, OR MAINTAIN THESE VEHICLES, UH, THIS VEHICLE HERE.

SO RIGHT NOW OUR MECHANICS DO NOT WORK ON THE HEAVY TRUCKS.

THEY WILL DO THINGS THAT THEY DON'T PUT ON LIFTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS, IS WE WOULD USE THE VENDOR, UH, THAT IS SELLING US THE TRUCK FOR REPAIR, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF, OF WARRANTY WORK.

UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON HAS ALSO OUR CONTRACTOR AND THE CITY OF DAYTON DOES HAVE A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS TRUCK.

SO OUR FACILITIES NOW ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO WORK ON THE ENGINES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

SO THIS TRUCK IS NO DIFFERENT, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THE SIZE, UH, YES, THIS IS, THIS IS MAXINE OUT THE SIZE OF VEHICLE THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY HAVE.

I DON'T SEE US IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS OR 20 YEARS COMING TO YOU IN SAN JOSE, WE NEED TO BUY UP, YOU KNOW, AN 80 FOOT, LONG TRUCK.

UM, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS, AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS, AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IT IS POSSIBLE IS THAT THE TRACTOR, THE MOTOR, THE TRANSMISSION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, FOR THE TWO SETS OF BRAKES OR FOUR BRAKES ON THE FRONT END OF IT, THAT'S WHERE THE WEAR AND TEAR REALLY HAPPENS AT THE REAR END IS GOING TO BE BUILT OUT OF STAINLESS STEEL.

THE FRAME HAS A LIFETIME WARRANTY ON IT IS IN 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS.

IF WE NEED TO REPLACE THE TRACTOR, WE WILL GO PURCHASE A TRACTOR, PAY THE MONEY TO HAVE EVERYTHING RECONNECTED, AND YOU WOULD BASICALLY HAVE ANOTHER NEW LADDER TRUCK.

THEY DO A LITTLE BIT OF A, THEIR CONSTRUCTION.

THEY FEEL GOOD ENOUGH ABOUT IT, THAT THEY GO, THEY DO SOME CLEANING, THEY DO SOME INSPECTING, AND THEN THEY WOULD GIVE YOU ANOTHER WARRANTY ON THE ACTUAL LADDER ITSELF AND EVERYTHING.

SO, YES, WE ARE GETTING TO THE MAXIMUM SPACE, UH, THAT WE COULD GO TO, UH, WITH THIS VEHICLE, BUT MAINTENANCE WISE, AND IT'S NOT CREATING ANY OBSTACLES THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE.

GREAT.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A VERY THOROUGH ANALYSIS THERE.

THANKS, NANCY.

GO AHEAD AND SHAPE WAS QUICK QUESTION.

THIS VEHICLE WOULD BE PURCHASED USING CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FIRE CAPITAL FUNDS, CORRECT? YES.

UH, CHIEF, THIS, UH, TRUCK WILL THEN GO TO STATION 22 STATION 23 ON 23.

I'M SORRY, HOLD ON.

IT'LL GO ON THE NEW ONE WILL GO ON 23.

AND YOU'LL FIT IN THE INSIDE THE STATION? YES.

UH, CHIEF MOL, UH, SENT ME, UH, UH, AND WE'RE WE'RE BEFORE WE SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE THE MANUFACTURER DO SOME WALKTHROUGH WITH US.

UH, CHIEF BALL TOOK A, A WHEEL AND SOME CHALK AND WE'VE ACTUALLY DRAWN THE BODY ON THE FLOOR.

UH, SO, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT IT WILL WORK AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO OPERATE OUT OF STATION 23.

AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DIMENSIONS AND I'M NOT GREAT WITH BLUEPRINTS.

HOW, HOW LONG IS THIS TRUCK IN? DOWN 61 FEET FOR THE RECORDER.

AND IT'LL FIT IN 22 OR 23.

THE GARAGE DOOR WILL BE ABLE TO, THE DOOR WILL BE ABLE TO SHUT.

WAS, AS WE LOOKED AROUND US TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS BUYING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DOESN'T NEED THE SAME TRUCK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, VAN IN THE CITY OF VANDALIA, THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS AND THEY WERE IN A LONG PROCESS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RICHARD? OKAY.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

UM, AT A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, UH, WE, WE HAD MENTIONED, UM, VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT, UH, THE USE OF, UM, ASSISTANCE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.

UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS, THIS, UH, THIS NEW PIECE OF APPARATUS, UH, WILL ALLOW US TO DO A LOT MORE WORK WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL, BECAUSE WELL, NOBODY ELSE IN THE AREA HAS THIS.

UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR, UH, OUR MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUT OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL? NOT ONLY OUR OWN.

YEAH, SO INTERNALLY THE FIRST THING WE DID

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AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT BUYING A LADDER TRUCK, AND THEY STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BUY.

AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT LADDER COMPLIMENTS, WHEN I SAY LADDER COMPLIMENTS, NOT JUST THE BIG LADDER, BUT ALL THE GROUND LADDERS.

AND THAT WAS A RISK THAT WE REALLY IDENTIFIED IS, IS THAT WE NEED GROUND LADDER.

SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING WITH THE TRUCK THAT WE'RE GOING WITH IS BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE SO MANY GREAT GROUND LADDERS, AND WE'VE GOT SOME MANEUVERABILITY, A LOT OF MANEUVERABILITY, UH, BUTLER TOWNSHIP, I THINK RIGHT NOW, UH, WE RAN SOME NUMBERS AND I THINK WE PROBABLY PROVIDED A LADDER TO BUTLER TOWNSHIP BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A LADDER TRUCK.

HARRISON TOWNSHIP HAS TWO SMALLER LADDER TRUCKS.

I THINK THEY'RE WHAT WAS 75 FOOT, UH, 75 FOOT STRAIGHT STICKS.

SO ARE MOVING OVER TO THE WEST SIDE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED AND WE'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH, UH, CHIEF LIKENS AT DAYTON AND, UH, OR AT LEAST MEMBERS OF HIS COMMAND STAFF AND WITH OUR MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS, THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH US MOVING THIS TRUCK.

I, I VALUE OUR RELATIONSHIP, YOU KNOW, UH, WE GIVE THEM MEDICS, THEY GIVE US FIRETRUCKS WITH FOUR PEOPLE ON THEM.

SO, UH, WE REALLY TRY TO WORK WITH THEM AND, UH, UH, OUR, OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER MUTUAL AID.

YES, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME.

IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SHEER NUMBER OF LADDERS AND EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE CALLING ON IT, OR ARE GOING TO CARRY ON, CARRY ON THAT VEHICLE.

SO, UH, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN WORKLOAD, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO SEE A DECREASE AND MAYBE TALKING WITH CHIEF FALL, LIKE MAYBE THEIR ALARM ASSIGNMENTS MAY CHANGE BECAUSE WE WILL NOW HAVE THAT LADDER TRUCK ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR CITY, WHICH MAKES IT CLOSER TO, UH, TO THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS AREAS AS WELL.

PERFECT.

AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A STATED IN THERE, AND WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 24 MONTHS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TIME WE, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT TO GIVE THE GO, UM, ON THIS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL STAFF TO BE HIRED.

AND, UM, AND AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST TWO YEARS, A LOT CAN CHANGE IN TWO YEARS.

SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR UPDATE ON THAT.

I KNOW THE MUTUAL AID DISCUSSION WAS SOMETHING WE PREVIOUSLY HAD.

UM, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE, UM, MY COLLEAGUES WITHIN THE REGION, UM, YOU KNOW, THANK US VERY, VERY MUCH FOR, YOU KNOW, THE AID THAT WE DO SUPPORT AND VICE VERSA.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE ENTIRE REGION THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMUNICATION ON THAT.

THANK YOU AMERICA.

THANKS RICHARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

OBJECTIONS ARE MOVING OUT OF THE PURCHASE OF THE OLD TRUCK ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING.

UP IS I AM THREE E WHICH HAS ZONING CASES, DC 21 DASH SEVEN, KIMBALL, BURLING, AND REZONING FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL SEE YOU MONDAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I HAVE TO THINK, UH, JOHN AND MIKE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, MIKE WAS ABLE TO TAKE A COMMITTEE, GET THEM TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND, UH, WHEN YOU COULD GET, UH, THIS MANY FIREFIGHTERS TO AGREE ON SOMETHING, UH, TO GET IN THE SAME BALLPARK AS EASILY AS IT WAS.

I MEAN, UH, MIKE DID A VERY, VERY GOOD AND, UH, UH, I SAID, I THINK THE PRODUCT'S GOING TO BE A OUT TO BE VERY GOOD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANKS CHIEF.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND WE'LL SEE THIS ON MONDAY'S MEETING NEXT

[ ZC 21-47 - Campbell Berling - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - East Side Of Bellefontaine Road South Of Chambersburg Road]

UH, BRIAN, AND THANKS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECENTLY HEARD THE CASE, WHICH WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU FOR WHICH A PUBLIC HEARING WILL NEED TO BE SCHEDULED.

UH, IN PARTICULAR, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS, UH, CAMPBELL BURLING AND, UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS MR. RICHARD STORK.

THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING, UH, THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO GIVE IF I CAN SQUINT AND SEE THE SCREEN, UH, AS FAR AS I CAN, NOT BECAUSE IT IS JUST SIMPLY TOO FAR AWAY.

SO WE WILL ROLL WITH THIS SCREEN RIGHT HERE.

IF EVERYONE CAN YOU NEED IT ON IN THE MORNING, RIGHT? THANK YOU.

IF YOU PUT IT ON THE SLIDESHOW.

OH, LOOK AT THAT.

LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY.

UH, SO THE, UH, UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE CZ 2147 AS A REQUEST TO REZONE, APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL LAND TO PLANT OR RESIDENTIAL, THE LOCATION OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS EAST OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD AND SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

THE, UM, AND LET ME GO BACKWARDS.

I APOLOGIZE.

UH, UH, THIS IS THE SITE WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN.

THIS IS AN UPDATED

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SLIDE RELATIVE TO THE PRESENTATION IN YOUR PACKET.

THE, UH, SLIDE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE, UH, IS THE PLAT MAP ABSENT THE ORTHO PHOTO.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THIS IS A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE 132 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT IS DESIGNATED AS A OWNER OCCUPIED, UH, CONDOMINIUM PROJECT AND THE MATERIAL OR THE STYLE OF THE BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED ON AS I'M SORRY, I'VE GOTTEN MULTIPLE TECHNOLOGY GOING OVER HERE.

SO, UM, HERE WE ARE, UH, THIS SLIDE HERE REPRESENTS THE VISUAL CONCEPT OF THE STRUCTURES TO OCCUPY THE PREMISE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS I SAID, HAD HEARD THIS PARTICULAR CASE ON DECEMBER 14TH, AND THAT IS IN FOLLOW-UP TO A PRELIMINARY MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION EARLIER IN THE YEAR.

UH, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF THE PARTICULAR PRODUCT PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT ITS MEETING OF DECEMBER 14TH, UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THIS PARTICULAR APPROVAL OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WITH SIX CONDITIONS, ONE BEING A SPECIFICALLY DATED PLAN OF NOVEMBER 16TH, 2021, UNLESS MODIFIED AS FOLLOWS MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO INCLUDE TWENTY-FIVE FOOT FRONT YARD, A MINIMUM 25 FOOT REAR YARD WITH A MAXIMUM OF 15 LOTS HAVING 20 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACKS, AND SIX FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

THE THIRD CONDITION OF APPROVAL WAS AN AVERAGE OF 40% OF THE SURFACE AREA OF THE FRONT FACADE TO BE FINISHED WITH BRICK OR STONE MASONRY PRODUCTS.

FOURTH CONDITION WAS A DROP LANE AND ACCELERATION LANE ADDED ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, UH, PENDING THE RESULTS OF A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.

THE APPLICANT SHOULD ALSO MEET ALL THE REQUIRED EASEMENT OBLIGATIONS AT THE PETROLEUM COMPANY, UH, HAVING THE EASEMENT AND THE FINAL CONDITION WAS THAT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ZONING PERMIT, THE APPLICANT RECEIVE APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, AGAIN, AS I SAID, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE WAS HEARD AND RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 14TH, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE FOUR OR THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOT YET BEEN SCHEDULED, WHICH WE WILL DO AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOLLOWING THIS PARTICULAR MEETING.

AND THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THIS PARTICULAR.

THANKS, BRIAN.

SO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BASED ON, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPER OR JUST QUESTIONS IN GENERAL, UM, BASED ON PLANNING COMMISSION'S REVIEW AND ANY COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S THE KING, HOW WIDE ARE THE STREETS GOING TO BE FROM, FROM CURB TO CURB? THANK YOU.

IF YOU WOULD JUST LET US JUST LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

AND, UM, MY NAME IS BOB CRONE, GOLD, UH, CAMPBELL BURLING, HUBER HEIGHTS, 33 33 MASS PIKE AND FORT WRIGHT, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME THEN BEFORE YOU A FEW TIMES, UM, IT LOOKS FAMILIAR.

THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THIS IS A TYPICAL PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY IMPROVEMENT.

SO IT'S A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, PUBLIC STREET.

I THINK IT'S 27 FEET BACK TO BACK CURB.

SO MOST CARS, IF SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME KNOW HOW WIDE A CAR IS LIKE, ARE THEY PARKED ON THE STREET AND THE ONE PARKS ACROSS THE STREET CAN A THIRD CARGO BETWEEN THEM? UM, YES, THEY, UM, TYPICALLY THE TRAFFIC HAS TO GO BOTH WAYS FOR ME.

AND TYPICALLY STREET PARKING IN THE SUBDIVISION SOUNDS LIKE TYPICALLY WE HAVE PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES AS WE'LL, WE'LL SIGN IT THAT WAY, BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO ANY PUBLIC STREET IN ANY SUBDIVISION.

SO IT'S A TYPICAL STANDARD STREET PER THE ENGINEERING SPECS FOR THE CITY.

TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE THOSE, UM, I'M NOT SURE OF THE STATUS OF THOSE CURRENTLY, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK ON THOSE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SURE.

RICHARD, THANK YOU, MARY.

UM, I GUESS A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS.

THIS ONE WILL, UH, I GUESS THESE TWO WILL GO TO TONY.

UM, TONY, DO WE HAVE THE, UH, THE MINUTES FOR THAT DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MADE AVAILABLE? CAUSE I NOTICED IT WASN'T IN THE READ AHEAD.

THOSE WERE NOT DONE, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY AND THAT DEPARTMENT JUST BECAUSE THE HOLIDAYS

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AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, I WOULDN'T BE RECORDING THE VIDEO.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE AGENDA QUICK, UM, I POINTED THIS OUT TO THE LAW DIRECTOR APPEARS TO BE CUT OFF.

I'M WANTING TO SAY, UM, ABOUT SECTION SEVEN OR EIGHT AND THERE, I CAN CHECK INTO THAT.

CAN WE GET AN UPDATED COPY OF THIS PICTURE? YES, I CAN.

I CAN PROVIDE COUNSEL A COPY OF THAT THAT CAME IN A LITTLE LATE TODAY, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET IT OUT, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF IT.

I HAVE, UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

I WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS.

UM, ONE OF THEM IS REGARDING THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THERE HAS A STREAM THAT RUNS ALONG THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND HE SAID THAT WHEN WE GET A LOT OF RAIN AND STUFF, THAT IT, IT, IT RAISES VERY HIGH AND RUNS VERY HARD.

UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF, OF A WATER STUDY WAS DONE IN NOT JUST THE AREA THAT YOU'RE USING, BUT THE EFFECTS OF YOU PUTTING ALL THESE HOMES IN THERE AND WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT GENTLEMAN FLOODED OUT OF HIS PROPERTY.

SO WHAT KIND OF WATER STUDY HAVE YOU DONE? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY WETLANDS BACK THERE.

UM, THE ANALYSIS IS A CONCEPT ENGINEERING PLAN AND THE N OUR ENGINEER, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, LOOKS AT A SITE AND DETERMINED THE DETENTION REQUIREMENTS THAT DETENTION IS DESIGNED ONSITE TO WITHHOLD ANY WATER THAT'S GENERATED FROM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE VERSUS THE, FROM LAND SURFACE.

SO THE SITE, THE ENGINEER DESIGNS, A DETENTION FACILITY.

SO ANY SURFACE RAIN THAT HITS THE SERVER, THE HARD SURFACES IS HELD ONSITE IN A DETENTION FACILITY AND RELEASED AT THE SAME RATE AS THE PREDEVELOPED SITE.

SO THAT'S A SPECIFIC ENGINEERING EXERCISE.

AND IF, IF I COULD, UH THERE'S SO AGAIN, SIMILAR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT, IT'S AN ENGINEERING STUDY TO RELEASE WATER EQUAL TO THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT WATER RELEASE ON THE SITE.

UM, I'M JUST, I, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

UM, DOING A, UH, A PAPER, A NUMBER OF EXERCISE, BASICALLY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ACTUALLY GONE OUT THERE AND SURVEYED THE SITE TO SEE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS ARE, WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS, WHAT THE RISK IS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

UH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY MORE WATER OFF THAN, THAN WHAT YOU KNOW IS CURRENTLY THERE.

YES, YES.

WE'VE ABSOLUTELY BEEN ON THE SITE ENGINEERS THAT PHYSICALLY RENT UP TOPO TOPOGRAPHY ON THE SITE.

THEY KNOW HOW THE SITE DRAINS THERE.

THIS IS A TRIED AND PROVEN ENGINEERING EXERCISE, HOW TO MANAGE WATER.

IT'S PART OF WATER MANAGEMENT FOR THE SITE.

UM, IF I COULD MAYBE EXPOUND ON, UH, BRIAN'S PRESENTATION, TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PRODUCT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TIME, OR YOU JUST WANT ME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BETTER TIME THAN NOW.

IN THIS MARKET, WHICH IS A MAINTENANCE FREE, UH, COMMUNITY.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE ALSO BUILT IN THE AREA WE'VE GOT, UH, THREE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

UM, UH, ON DECEMBER 14TH, WE DID TO GET A FIVE-O UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS, UM, DUPLEXES, THEY'RE PAIRED TOWNHOMES AND PAIRED PATIO HOMES.

AND WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS SITE IS IT'S CATERED TO A LIFESTYLE AND A PRODUCT THAT'S REALLY NOT AVAILABLE

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SO FEE SIMPLE, YOU BUY THE, YOU OWN THE HOUSE, EXCUSE ME, THE MAINTENANCE IS ALL THE EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE IS DONE BY THE HOA.

SO IT'S CATERED TO FOLKS LIKE MYSELF, LIKE YOU, THAT MAY BE EMPTY NESTERS THAT WANT TO STAY IN THE AREA, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY A 400, $500,000 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE CATERED TO A 55 AND OLDER AS WHAT WE FOUND IN THE THREE OTHER MARKETS WE'RE BUILDING IN ARE NORTHERN KENTUCKY, KENTUCKY, AND THE PREDOMINANT, UM, ADVANTAGE IS YOU CAN OWN THIS AND YOU CAN HAVE A SECOND HOUSE SOMEWHERE, AND THE GRASS WILL BE CUT.

THE EXTERIOR WILL BE MAINTAINED.

THE ROOF WILL BE MAINTAINED.

EVERYTHING WILL BE PAINTED.

SO IT WILL BE A MAINTENANCE FREE.

IT'S A, IT'S A UNIQUE PRODUCT TO THE AREA.

AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE BUYING THAT.

UM, THE, THE SITE IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S ON IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY.

IT'S GOT A COMMERCIAL USE ON THE CORNER, THE, UM, THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVING, IT'S GOT A D P AND L SUBSTATION NEXT DOOR, AND IT HAS A FIBER, UM, UH, FIBER METRO FIBER NET ALSO NEXT DOOR TO THE SITE.

SO IT LENDS ITSELF IN MY OPINION, FROM THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USE TO A TRANSITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY USE, UM, W WE HAVE, UH, A LIFT STATION THAT NEEDS TO GO IN HERE AND THEN POSSIBLY UPGRADE THE EXISTING LIFT STATION THAT, THAT THIS GOES TO, UM, WE HAVE, UM, HEARD SOME OPPOSITION, UM, FROM THE OXO HUBER HEIGHTS FOLKS.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY, YOU KNOW, FRIENDLY AND THEIR OPPOSITION.

WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE TYPICAL THINGS WE HEAR IN DEVELOPMENT, TRAFFIC, THE DRAINAGE, AND, UH, THE CO THE COMP PLAN.

AND, AND IF I COULD SPEAK TO THE COMP PLAN, UM, THAT WAS DONE IN 2011, AND I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED FOR A REVISION, BUT A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ARE TARGETED AS SINGLE FAMILY ON THE CURRENT COMP PLAN.

I THINK THIS, THIS SITE SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A TRANSITIONAL USE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING OR UNDER THE DENSITY PER THE COMP PLAN.

UM, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE COMP PLAN IS TO PROVIDE A MIXED USE AND ENHANCE GROWTH.

SO WE SEE THIS AS AN AUGMENTATION TO THE MARKET OF A NEED.

THAT'S NOT THERE.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH IT.

WE'VE HAD GREAT FEEDBACK FROM, FROM PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE THE FIRST ONE TO BUY IN HERE.

WE LIKED THE PRODUCT.

WE LIKE THE MAINTENANCE FREE LIFESTYLE.

SO THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, AND YES, I WAS AWARE THAT THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT THAT REALLY DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE EFFECTS TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR WHETHER THERE'S WETLANDS ON THERE.

UH, AND, AND I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, I I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY.

SO THERE, THERE IS A STREAM ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

THAT IS THE DRAINAGE FOR THE WATERSHED.

WE'LL BE DISCHARGING THAT STREAM AND EQUAL TO A PRE-DEVELOPMENT AMOUNT, THE NEIGHBORS WHERE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ABOUT EVALUATING THE WETLANDS ON THE SITE.

WE HAVE A CONSULTANT ENLISTED TO TELL US ABOUT THE WETLANDS, BUT PRIMARILY IN THIS REGION, WHICH WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING, WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT.

WE DO HAVE A NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH THAT EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT.

HE ACTUALLY OWNS A QUAINT ACRES IN BETWEEN HIS HOUSE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE RETAINED BY HIM.

AND THAT'S ABOUT 250 FEET, HIS HOUSE BUILDING.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE STREAM IS.

THE STREAM GOES THROUGH HERE ALL THE WAY UP AND ACROSS THE TIME.

SO IF WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THAT STRAIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO WHERE WHERE'S YOUR ANALYSIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BACK THAT STRAIGHT, BUT BY WAY OF MANAGING OUR WATER ONSITE IN A DETENTION FACILITY.

AND THEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH THAT ALSO CAME OUT AND A NEAREST STRUCTURE TO THIS PROPERTY IS ABOUT 650 FEET AWAY.

TENTHS OF AN ACRE 0.8, FIVE ACRE SITE.

UM, WHAT ABOUT BUFFERING? THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS? THERE'S, UH, LIKE, LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE'S EIGHT

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IT'S TREE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN US.

WE'LL HAVE, UH, THIS IS ALL BEEN JUST FARMING.

IT'S BEEN SITTING ON THE MARKET FOR ABOUT THIS.

BUT THAT, ISN'T FAR MY IN THERE, THAT WHERE YOUR PAN IS, WHERE YOUR PAN IS.

THAT NEIGHBOR RIGHT NOW IS NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING BEFORE I'M BUYING FRUIT.

SO WHEN YOU PUT HOUSES IN THERE, HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT HOUSES.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE BUFFERING BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY AND HIS PROPERTY SO THAT HE'S NOT LOOKING RIGHT IN THE BACK OF NEIGHBORS HOUSES.

THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE DO WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS GO IN, WE BUFFER FROM OTHER OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, AND I NOTICED YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GREEN SPACE IN THERE.

EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT A HOUSE IS GREEN SPACE.

AND THE WHOLE, A GREAT SPACE WOULD BE LIKE A PARK OR SOME KIND OF AREA.

WE HAVE BOUNDING OUT FRONT AND WE HAVE PERIMETER MOUNDING OUT FRONT, NO GREEN SPACE.

THE GAS LINE IS WITH, IT GOES THROUGH HERE AND WILL BE MAINTAINED AS GREEN SPACE.

PARDON ME? CAN YOU FLY A AND THEN PROPERTY AND LINDA GREEN SPACE.

HOW MUCH DO YOU, HOW MUCH YOU BET YOU TALKING ABOUT, I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP AND GET YOU THAT CALCULATION.

THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT, I WOULD ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, FIVE ACRES, AND AT ONE SPOT, NOT THE PERIMETER, THE PERIMETER, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY CLEAN SPACE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAD LIKE FOR A PARK OR A GATHERING, OR, UM, AND I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE NOT ALLOWING, UH, FENCES OR SHEDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE IN ASIA WAYS THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS ON MATERIALS THAT ARE USED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT CAN YOU ACTUALLY PREVENT PEOPLE THROUGH AN HOA OF DOING FENCES AND SHEDS? WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO PUT THEIR STUFF? WELL, I AM LOOKING AT, I'M JUST GOING TO INTERJECT HERE FOR A MINUTE.

I THINK IT'S, UM, IT CLEARLY WANT TO GET EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS ANSWERED, BUT I'M NOT, IF I GOT A LOT OF STUFF, I'M NOT GOING TO BUY ONE OF THOSE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE.

WELL, WELL, YEAH, IF I HAVE A LOT OF STUFF AND THAT'S, AND I LIKE THAT PRODUCT, AND I WANT TO MOVE THERE, I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE WHAT I'VE GOT AN A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND DO A 2000 SQUARE FOOT DUPLEX AND MAYBE WANT AND SAY, OKAY, IF THE MAINTENANCE IS COVERED, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE STORING A ATTRACTOR.

AND I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT LIFESTYLE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.

NOT THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TRACK HERE FROM, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PUT THEIR STUFF.

BECAUSE IF THAT IS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO MOVE THERE, SOMEBODY WITH ALL KINDS OF STUFF IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BUY ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE HOMES.

BUT YEAH, JUST LIKE IF SOMEBODY ON SOMEBODY'S DOWNSIZES MOVES INTO AN APARTMENT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT MOVING, BUT YOU, WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A HOME, THE LONGER YOU'RE IN THE HOME, YOU ACCUMULATE THINGS.

OR ABOUT TO BE COMMISSIONED.

BUT IF I HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS, I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE THERE, OR I WOULD GO TO ONE OF THE NUMEROUS STORAGE FACILITIES THAT WE'VE GOT AROUND HERE.

I DON'T THINK SHARON.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

THE OTHER THING WAS THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SUGGESTED, UH, DOING A, UM, LET ME FIND MY NOTES.

UM, OH, OKAY.

DID WE DO, HAVE WE DONE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY YET? TRAFFIC STUDY YET? I THINK BRIAN, YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION DOES THAT PENDING.

THAT WAS A CONDITION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT, UH, THE ACCELERATION AND THE DECELERATION LANES, UH, ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH IS IN PROGRESS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING

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UM, THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT A NEW PUMP STATION WOULD BE REQUIRED.

UH, WHERE WOULD THAT BE AND WHO WOULD PAY FOR IT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UM, BUILD IT AND WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT.

AND THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE ON THE HOA.

THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE ON THE HOA, UNLESS THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE PUMP STATIONS ARE, ARE ACCEPTED OR NOT FOR MAINTENANCE.

IT'S ONE OF THE DETAILS WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WITH THE CITY.

WE WILL, WE WILL BUILD IT.

WE WILL FUND IT.

WE WILL CONSTRUCT IT AS THE DEVELOPER.

DO.

WE USUALLY DO THAT? AND TYPICALLY WE ACCEPT THEM.

WE MAINTAIN THEM AREA.

WELL, IT'S NOT USUALLY THEY'RE LOCATED IN AN AREA THAT'S IN AN EASEMENT NEAR THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT.

IT'S RIGHT HERE.

UH, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET TO IT, UH, SUEZ WILL MEET.

AND SO HE MENTIONED ALSO THAT THE, UH, NEIGHBORING PUMP STATION, WHICH I ASSUME IS THE ONE ON BELL FOUNTAIN MIGHT HAVE TO BE UPGRADED.

UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THERE, SOMEBODY DID CALL ME ON THAT.

THEY'RE CHECKING TO SEE WHETHER THEY NEED TO UPGRADE FOR THE ONE.

SO WOULD IT BE UPGRADED AT THEIR EXPENSE OR HOURS? OKAY.

UM, PUMP STATIONS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN FRONT OF MOST OF THE DETENTION POND AT THE OAKS, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S NEXT TO THE POND STATION RIGHT THERE.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO THERE, ARE THERE, UH, ANY SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS, ANY SPECIAL RESTATEMENTS BECAUSE OF THOSE THREE GAS LINES THAT ARE RUNNING THROUGH THERE? YES.

AND THEY ARE 50 FEET.

SO YOU HAVE STAY AWAY FROM THOSE ON BOTH SIDES GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING TO PUT A SIDEWALK OUTSIDE THE RUNNING DOWN MOUNT FOUNTAIN? ALL OF OUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS REQUIRE IF YOU'RE ON A MAIN STRIP TO PUT A SIDEWALK, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, NO HOUSES ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.

THERE ARE HOUSES OUT THERE NOW, BUT WE'LL ENTERTAIN THAT DURING OUR PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.

I'M SORRY.

WE WILL ENTERTAIN THAT.

IT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD NOT BE CONNECTED TO ANYTHING SO, WELL, IT COULD BE ACROSS THE STREET.

NO, NO, THERE'LL BE NO LIGHT.

UM, LET'S SEE.

UH, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A DROP LANE AND ACCELERATION LANE BE ADDED TO BELL FOUNTAIN FOR ENTERING AND EXITING THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE DOING THAT.

WE'RE DOING A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT ROAD ON OUR FRONTAGE HAS ALREADY BEEN WIDENED AND IMPROVED PREVIOUSLY.

SO OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WE'LL HONE IN ON WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.

AND WE'LL REVIEW THAT WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT IMPROVEMENT WILL LOOK LIKE.

AND, AND FOR OUR PURPOSES, COULD YOU SHOW US WHERE THE EMERGENCY ACCESSES WOULD BE FOR THE FIRE EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER? I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO.

AND THAT RUNS BETWEEN, I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE THING IS.

SO WHAT ARE THOSE BUILDINGS? ARE THOSE HOUSES? SO GOING AROUND THAT CURVATURE IS, IS HOUSES.

AND WHERE ARE THE TOWNHOUSES? OKAY.

THE WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK.

UM, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THAT AND FEEDBACK ON THE WETLANDS.

UH, THAT PROBABLY IS THE BIGGEST PART OF MY QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE MOVE THIS TO ANOTHER READING PENDING THE FINDINGS OF THE STUDIES THAT HAVE, WHY NOT MIRROR? YES.

WHEN WILL WE HAVE A COPY OF THE HOA, UM, RULES WHAT'S ALLOWED, WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED.

I CAN GET YOU THOSE PROBABLY BY THE END OF

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AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION.

SO IF THERE'S NO FENCES AND NO OUTBUILDINGS, ARE THERE GOING TO BE NO HOT TUBS BECAUSE HOT TUBS HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE AROUND THEM THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT.

THERE'S GOING TO LOOK FOR THEM.

TYPICALLY I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, IF IT REQUIRES A FENCER WOULD NOT BE A HOT TUB, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO INTRODUCE A NEW PRODUCT THAT BASED ON THE DEPTH DEMOGRAPHICS THAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT WE THINK FITS A NEED.

THAT'S NOT THERE CURRENTLY.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO APARTMENTS.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE OWNED BY PEOPLE THAT WE, WE THINK WILL MOVE IN FROM THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S HIT, IT'S HITTING A PART OF THE MARKET.

THAT'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO, SO HOW, HOW MUCH SPACE BEHIND THE UNITS FOR BOTH THE HOUSES AND THE TOWNHOUSES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE FOR, IF THEY WANT TO ENTERTAIN OR JUST SIT OUTSIDE OR WHATEVER? UH, IT VARIES IN DEPTH.

THAT'S, UH SO THEY WILL HAVE ROOM BACK THERE WHERE THEY THEY'LL HAVE PATIOS IN THE BACK AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE ROOM IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IN WHATEVER, UM, GRILLS OR, UM, YES.

IF THEY'VE GOT A HUNDRED FEEDBACK THERE, WHAT IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BY THE HOA? THAT'S THE, UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THE OPEN SPACE, THOSE REAR YARD AREAS ARE ALL MAINTAINED IN THE SAME FASHION.

SO SOMEBODY'S NOT CUTTING THEIR LAWN A DIFFERENT TIME OF THE YEAR.

AND SOME LAWNS GET HIGHER AND SOME ARE SHORTER.

SOME ARE NOT TREATED FOR PESTICIDE OR WEED CONTROL.

IT'S THE IDEA IS TO PRESENT, UH, A MAINTAINED YARD.

THAT'S ALL, UH, COMMON THAT'S SUMMIT HAS SYMMETRY.

EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME APPEARANCE, SO SOMEBODY IS NOT, NOT MAINTAINING THEIR LAWN.

SO EVERYBODY'S LAWN WOULD LOOK THE SAME AND BE CUT THE SAME AND BE TREATED THE SAME FOR WEEDS.

SO ON THE EDGE OF YOUR PATIO, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF PETITIONS SEPARATING.

YOU CAN'T PUT ANY KIND OF A FENCER PETITION SEPARATING YOU FROM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

HONESTLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PETITION.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.

WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED WHEN YOU DO THE HOA.

I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS.

AND I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 10TH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, COUNCIL.

IS THAT ACCURATE? I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED AS OF YET.

SO, AND, AND FOR ME, I WAS KIND OF WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE RESULTS AND WHAT THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT LED TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO MOVE THIS TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION BEFORE WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.

I MEAN, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SURE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE R UH, WHOEVER SHE, HOA IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY TAKING CARE OF ALL THE, THE MAINTENANCE, THE MOWING, THE SNOW SHOVELING, OR THE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE CITY DEDICATES THE STREETS ANYWAY, UNTIL THE STREET.

SO I'LL MAKE SURE HE'S MADE, MAINTAIN THAT THEMSELVES.

I MEAN, I MEAN, ONCE WE DEDICATED, THEN THE STREETS BECOME A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH.

WE WOULD PLOW THE STREETS.

BUT THEY WOULD DO THE KNOWING.

GENERALLY HOS DON'T DO THAT.

SO THE COVENANTS ARE RESTRICTIONS.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE TOO, JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE TOO, TO GO THROUGH THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT, SO MY MAIN QUESTION IS, UM, SO FIRST SAY I DO LIKE THE PRODUCT.

I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY A NEED FROM IT IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND I HEARD YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF MIXED USE INTO A TRANSITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT MY BIG QUESTION REALLY IS, IS WHY THERE, WHAT WAS, WHAT, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THIS KIND OF PRODUCT IN MORE OF A RURAL AREA, AS OPPOSED TO FINDING A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY SOMEWHERE THAT THAT IS CLOSER TO, UM, THE OTHER STUFF IN THE CITY AND THE AMENITIES THAT MAYBE SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS MIGHT LIKE TO BE CLOSER TO AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

SO, UM,

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I LOVE THE PROJECT.

I'M NOT IN LOVE WITH WHERE YOU WANT TO BUILD IT, BUT I LIKE THE PROJECT.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS CITY NEEDS.

I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND ON WHY THERE, HOW DOES THAT FIT? UM, THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH.

AND, UM, AND I GET THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY THERE ARE GOING TO BUY THERE.

THE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE.

I THINK AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT.

UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST WHERE I DON'T DIFFER.

I DID FOR A LITTLE WHILE WITH NANCY AND SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I THINK AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY THAT'S REALLY WANT TO LIVE, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO LIVE.

AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TO COUNCIL DISCRETION TO DETERMINE WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO LIVE AND WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO LIVE.

UM, HOW MUCH SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO PAY FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY OR A HOME, OR NO MORE THAN JUST HOW MUCH SOMEBODY IS GOING TO PAY IT, OR, YOU KNOW, TO RENT AN APARTMENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT OUR DISCRETION, BUT I DO.

I AM LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE.

AND I THINK THE BIG, BIG QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH IS JUST WHAT IS CAMPBELL.

BURLING'S DETERMINATION THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PRODUCT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVEN'T HEARD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GIVE YOU A SCIENTIFIC ANSWER.

THERE'S A PIECE OF LAND FOR SALE, AND IT'S A RECTANGULAR PIECE OF LAND, AND IT'S BEEN SITTING FOR SALE FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR MORE.

AND IF YOU WERE TO, UH, GO OUT INTO THE MARKET TO SAY, I'M TARGETING THIS PIECE OF GROUND FOR THIS USE, THAT GROUND MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE.

SO HERE'S A PIECE OF GROUND THAT'S AVAILABLE.

AND I GUESS AS FAR AS DID WE TARGET, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS PRODUCT.

WHERE DO WE THINK IN THE CITY, IT WOULD FIT THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DID.

WE SAID, HERE'S A PIECE OF GROUND THAT'S FOR SALE.

WE'RE WILLING BUYER WILLING SELLER.

IT'S BEEN SITTING OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

WHY ISN'T IT BEEN DEVELOPED WHEN WE GO TO ANALYZE SOMETHING? LIKE, WHY IS THIS PIECE OF GROUND SITTING THERE? WHY HASN'T IT BEEN DEVELOPED? AND WE LOOK AT IT AS FIRST, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, AND IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT, UH, THE, THE COST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO OUTWEIGH THE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED.

IT DOESN'T WORK.

WE'VE LOOKED AT IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

SO THIS PRODUCT BASICALLY CAME ALONG.

WE'RE PARTNERED WITH OUR BUILDER FISHER HOMES, WHERE THEY ARE SAYING, HERE'S THE DEMOGRAPHICS PEOPLE LIKE THIS.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN THE MARKET PEOPLE.

IF WE BUILD IT, PEOPLE LIKE IT AND THEY WILL BUY IT.

SO, UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN I LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, THE ONLY TARGETED AREA FOR AN ATTACHED PRODUCT IS LIMITED TO THE NORTH OF THE CITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, EVERYTHING ELSE IS TARGETED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BLANKETLY FOR THIS SINGLE FAMILY USE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY.

SO IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO THE MARKET AND SAY, WHERE CAN WE BUILD THIS WHILE WE'RE LIMITED TO THE NORTH OF THE CITY? IS THERE LAND FOR SALE? W WELL, YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S GETTING EATEN UP FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS.

AND, AND IS THERE LAND AVAILABLE THERE WITH SEWER? UM, POSSIBLY, BUT WE HAVEN'T FOUND IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GOES TO THE MARKET, W WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THE MARKET WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

WE SAY, CAN WE MAKE THIS FEASIBLY WORK AND INTRODUCING THIS PRODUCT AND THE ANSWER'S YES, YES.

MARK BRIAN.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TONIGHT, YOU CAN GET BACK WITH US.

BUT, UM, HE, HE SPARKED, UH, ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS FOR ME TONIGHT, JUST IN HIS PRESENTATION.

HE, HE SPEAKS TO A COP PLAN FOR THIS AREA.

AND I THINK THE DATE THAT HE SAID WAS 2011, WOULD THAT COMP PLAN HAVE INCLUDED THE OUT CORE DEVELOPMENT IT WOULD HAVE? YES, SIR.

AND THEN COULD YOU GET WITH US ON WHEN THE OUT CORE DEVELOPMENT WAS BUILT? UH, I CAN FOLLOW UP, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS 2012, 2013, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA, BUT I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION.

AND DO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PARCEL IS COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, THAT WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD TO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE CAN START, WE WOULD HAVE THAT TO LOOK AT.

COULD YOU PROVIDE TO US THE COMMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, SOME OF THE RECORDS? SURE.

UH, BASED ON THE OUTPOUR DEVELOPMENT,

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UH, THE OUTPOUR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE WHAT SOUTH OF THIS PRODUCT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YEAH, WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

THANKS BRIAN.

OH, AND ONE LAST THING, DID YOU SAY THIS WAS BEING BUILT BY FISHER HOMES? WE'RE THE DEVELOPER WE SELL THE LAST, THAT'S OUR BUILT ONE OF OUR BUILDING PARTNERS.

SO YES, THEY ARE.

UH, THEY WERE AT THE PLAN COMMISSION.

I WILL BRING THEM TO THE NEXT COUNCIL TO ANSWER MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

BUT THE HOMES THAT WOULD BE BUILT ON THIS PARCEL WOULD BE BUILT BY FISHER HOMES.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS.

WE WORK WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BUILDERS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

NOBODY ELSE THINKS I THINK SO.

I THINK YOU'D HAVE CERTAINLY SOME LEGITIMACY TO THEM YET.

I'LL GET WITH BOTH OF THESE SITES.

I MEAN, UM, I'M NOT ANXIOUS TO MOVE THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING YET WITHOUT SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, THE NEXT, THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

UM, WE'LL GO TO RICHARD AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO HIM TO ADD RICHARD.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY STATE THAT, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A, THERE MAY NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, THERE MAY BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T THINK IT HURTS EITHER WAY.

UM, AS THIS IS A DEFINED ORDINANCE, IT HAS, UH, HAS THE AVAILABILITY TO GO TO TWO READINGS OR MORE, UH, AS NOTED BY THIS COUNCIL, UM, IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THE PROCESSES AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO SAY ON THE MATTER, UH, AND PROVIDE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, UH, UM, AN OFFICIAL TIME TO ANSWER SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT MARY, I DO NOTICE THERE ARE A FEW RESIDENTS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE TONIGHT, AND, UH, I KNOW I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU ARE THE CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEFS, TO SPEAK, SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THIS.

UM, AS MANY OF THEM MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND OTHER MEETINGS, UH, DUE TO SCHEDULING CONFLICTS.

I APPRECIATE THAT RICHARD, BUT I THINK THE POINT OF THE WORK SESSION KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IS THAT, UM, LOTS OF DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL AND WHAT WE WERE, UH, QUESTIONS FOR US TO ANSWER AND TO START TO CONTEMPLATE CERTAINLY WHEN, WHEN THIS MOVES TO A PUBLIC HEARING, WHETHER IT'S MONDAY OR WHETHER IT'S, UM, AFTER THAT, UH, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND, UM, AND SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY.

WE'VE, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE TO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE OPPOSITION LETTERS, UM, I'VE BEEN PART OF THE PACKET, WE'VE ALL RECEIVED THOSE WE'VE.

UM, SHOULD EVERYBODY HAVE READ THOSE REALLY UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT, WHAT SOME OF THE RESIDENT ISSUES ARE.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENT ISSUES AND THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH, WITH THE PROJECT, BUT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE WE, BEFORE ANY TYPE OF DECISION HAS MADE ON THIS, BUT THE WORK SESSION FOR TODAY'S PURPOSES, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUR, OUR BRAINS WRAPPED AROUND THIS AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND DO.

SO, UM, I STILL THINK, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S, UH, READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING WITH THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE COUNCILS.

I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, MAYOR, I MEAN, WE, WE MOVE IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING AND EITHER, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME WE CALL FOR A VOTE AND VOTED DOWN OR UP.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH OF A SECRET THAT, UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE PROJECT.

SO INSTEAD OF WASTING THE APPLICANT'S TIME AND CONTINUING TO WASTE A RESONANCE TIME, WHY DON'T WE JUST GET TO THE GETTING THAT'S IT, THAT'S A PITCH.

YOU GOTTA MAKE THE COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I MET.

IF, IF THIS COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO VOTE THIS PROJECT DOWN BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT RESIDENTS ARE SAYING AND WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, AND THEN LET'S GET TO GETTING, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONTINUOUSLY SHOWN THAT WE SPIN OUR WHEELS AND, AND MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD, UH, ON, ON SEVERAL THINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO SIT HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND SPEND STAFF TIME AND RESONANCE TIME TO APPLICANT'S TIME.

LET'S JUST GET TO THE VOTE NOW AND BE DONE WITH SURE.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

AND I THINK, AND, AND MR. ROGERS MADE A GOOD POINT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HASN'T BEEN ADVERTISED YET.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH TIME TO GET A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? YEAH.

THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIRED TIME FRAMES AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GET IT NOTICED AND EVERYTHING.

I'M NOT SURE THAT CAN BE DONE.

SO WE HAD NO INTENTION ON MOVING THOSE TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.

ALL THE APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAMES TECHNICALLY REQUIRED WITHIN THE CODE ARE MET, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF WHAT THE FUTURE PROCESS IS AS ARE THE CITIZENS WHO WANT TO COMMENT ON THE PROJECT THAT DON'T REQUIRE A REPEAT OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF POSTING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF, IF, IF I MAY, IT IS POSSIBLE.

I THINK TO BOB'S COMMENT EARLIER, IF I RECALL IT CORRECTLY, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THIS WAS POSTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS THE PRACTICE, BUT I AM NOT AWARE THAT THAT POST HAS BEEN MADE AS THIS PROJECT WAS LITERALLY PROVIDED TO ME THE DAY THE PACKETS WENT OUT TO BE BRIEFED.

SO, UM, THERE MAY BE A PUBLIC MEETING THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 10TH.

AND IF IT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL, THERE ARE PROCEDURAL ISSUES WHERE THE HEARING COULD BE EFFECTIVELY CONVENED, BUT THEN POSTPONED.

SO ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE ADVERTISINGS AND

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IF THERE IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED, THEN OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SCHEDULE THAT HEARING AS IT SEES FIT WITH ALL OF THE PROPER NOTICES, UH, BEING PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AND TO THE RESIDENTS.

I APOLOGIZE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT JUST BASED ON THE NATURE OF OUR ORGANIZATION AT THE MOMENT, THAT WAS NOT INFORMATION I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN BEFORE COMING TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.

SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT MATTER CLARIFIED BEFORE MONDAY.

THANKS, BRIAN.

MA'AM UM, SO YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE PACKET FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THE OAKS AND THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.

ACTUALLY, I WAS GOING TO ASK WHERE I AM FOR A COPY OF THAT.

UM, I DO NOT, I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT PACKAGE OF LETTERS IN OPPOSITION.

I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THEM.

CERTAINLY.

UM, MY COMMENT WAS BASED ON, WE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS HERE AT THE COMMISSION.

SO WHEN I MENTIONED, I KNOW THERE'S OPPOSITION, I HEARD THEM, THEY'RE VERY POLITE.

THEY'RE VERY PROFESSIONAL SPOKE TO THAT.

AND, AND I RESPECT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND I HEARD THEIR COMMENTS, SO I HAVE NOT SEEN THE WRITTEN.

THAT'S FINE.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE TO HIM.

RIGHT, TONY.

IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY ON THE WEBSITE, UH, UNDER THOSE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

SO IT'S UNDER, UH, LINK LABEL CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THAT IN CASE 2147.

SO, UM, ALL OF THE ONES WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THAT INFORMATION.

IT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AND YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS AND OUR WEBSITE, TONY'S EXCELLENT WITH GETTING THAT, APPRECIATE IT, HELPING YOU WITH THAT.

AND THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED, BUT, UH, THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, YOU'RE VERY AWARE OF, UM, ARE YOU ALSO AWARE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ON, UH, APPROVED BY COUNCIL? UH, PROBABLY BACK, WELL, THE APPROVAL IT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN OCTOBER, I BELIEVE.

UH, AND THAT WAS ON THE CORNER OF FITCHBURG AND BELL FOUNTAIN.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT? YES.

AND I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL.

YEAH, THAT WAS, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT WAS PART OF THE OAKS, UH, PUD, THE OAKS PROPER.

UM, THERE WAS AN OVERALL PUD THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO ACREAGE.

AND THAT WAS PART OF IT.

THAT WAS THE CHURCH PERSONAL, AND THEN IT CHANGED HANDS AND, AND I DID FOLLOW THAT CASE.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS, BUT THE ZONING CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY THE SAME RESIDENTS ARE SHOWING CONCERNS FOR THAT.

SO YEAH, I GET IT.

I GET IT.

IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE RESIDENTS CONTROL THAT PUD BY WAY OF THEIR COVENANTS RESTRICTIONS AND BINDING ELEMENTS DURING THE REZONING PROCESS FOR THAT PUD.

WHICH WAS NOT PART THIS PARCEL, OBVIOUSLY SAME SELLER.

SAME OWNER THAT THIS NOT PART OF THAT PUD.

UM, MR. , WOULD YOU AT ALL BE OPEN TO, UM, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR PLAN BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS? NOT JUST IN THE OAKS, BUT THEY ONE SAID LIVE AROUND THE PROPERTY YOU PLANNED TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE, AND I THINK I'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UM, OTHER THAN, UH, A MAJOR DIVERSION OR DIVERSION FROM THIS PLAN.

I CAN'T ANTICIPATE WHAT I CAN GIVE THE RESIDENTS TO SATISFY THEM.

THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.

IT'S A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN SHUFFLE AROUND OR GIVE UP THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS I'M HEARING.

WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO CONSIDER SOMETHING.

IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION, IF THEY HAVE A SUGGESTION, IF YOU DO THIS TO THE PLAN, IT WILL BE MORE PALATABLE.

WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS PLAN, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE HAVE TO GIVE UP.

FOR US TO, TO VOTE ON THIS AT THIS POINT.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, OKAY THEN, UM, I THINK THAT, LIKE WE DISCUSSED UNTIL WE COMPLETE OUR DUE DILIGENCE, IT WOULD BE FOOLHARDY

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AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER, UH, READING ON IT AND ALSO THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT HE'S GOING TO BRING BACK TO US WITH THE STUDIES.

AND THAT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING.

SO WE JUST LOOKED AND JERRY HAS POSTED THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS, WAS IN THE SYSTEM, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIND OUT THAT THAT ACTUALLY WENT, WENT OUT, BUT TONY SAYS, I MEAN, TYPICALLY JERRY PUTS IT OUT AGENDA QUICK.

IT MEANS THAT IT HAS BEEN NOTICED, AND IT IS IN THE SYSTEM FOR MONDAY.

FOR SURE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT, UH, UM, WE GET IN TOUCH WITH, UM, UH, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.

UM, I'D LIKE TO GET CONFIRMATION THAT, UM, NOTICE POSTCARDS WENT OUT TO ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AS WELL ON THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE STANDARD PROCESS, ALONG WITH THE LEGAL AID.

I D I JUST SAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 10TH, BECAUSE AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH SCOTT AND JASON, THIS WAS THE MEETING DATES THAT WE WERE TARGETING.

SO I W I'M NOT SURE IF, WELL, IT HAS MEMORY SERVES, CORRECT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

UM, SO I MEAN, I'M, I'M GOING BY THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE PROVIDED TO ME, UM, AS STANDARD PRACTICE WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PLANNING COMMISSION CASES THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT TYPICALLY AFTER THE, THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, HEARING ON, AT A WORK SESSION, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, AND IT WILL GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES THAT IT NEEDS MORE READINGS FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS.

SO BE IT, BUT THAT AS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ON.

UM, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS, BUT THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF THE LAW THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE'VE ALREADY SET FORTH INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, WASTING MULTIPLE PEOPLE'S TIME.

I HAVE IT ON MY ACCOUNT.

SO PROCEDURE, LIKE, IF IT, IF IT'S BEEN POSTED, THEN I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE FINE.

WE CAN MOVE TO A PUBLIC READING ON MONDAY PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL IT TAKES IS A MOTION TO MOVE TO A SECOND READING.

AND THE THIRD ROW, I MEAN, I THINK, UM, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS ON, BUT WE JUST HAD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE READINGS ON SOME OTHER, UM, YEAH.

BUT IF THAT WAS POSTED AND THAT'S OUT, THEN YEAH.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH MOVING TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, AND THEN WE'LL COUNCIL'S DISCRETION AT THAT POINT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.

AND I WANT TO READ THE FIRST RATING.

IT'S PUBLIC HEARING FIRST READING.

IT'S JUST PROCEDURALLY.

IS THAT A VOTE ON A MONDAY OR IS THAT MORE DISCUSSION OR WE DON'T KNOW YET THE, WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP, IF SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION, UH, AND THAT LOTION GETS SECONDED, THEN A VOTE WOULD TAKE PLACE.

UH AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING ONCE WE HAVE THAT FIRST RATING.

BUT I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE STILL WANT.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT WOULD GET MOVED TO MILLER TO GET MOVED TO A SECOND READING.

AT THAT TIME, WE CAN TAKE CITIZEN INPUT INTO CONSIDERATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WHERE THERE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

UM, AND THEN ALL THAT CAN BE COMPILED PUT TOGETHER BEFORE THE VOTES ACTUALLY TAKEN.

F, WHICH IS THE HEBREW ROAD VACATION.

NEXT UP IS I'M THREE

[ Huber Road - Vacation]

BRIAN, THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES THE VACATION A FEW ROAD IN SUPPORT OF THE BROAD REACH PROJECT AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.

UH, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL ADVANCED THIS TO THE MEETING ON MONDAY SO THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN BEGIN THE PROJECT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UH, AS A NOTE THAT THERE WERE SOME CORRECTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE TO THE LEGISLATION THAT WERE NOT SUBSTANTIAL TO THE INTENT, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH SEVERAL DEVELOPERS AND SEVERAL STATES.

AND, UH, THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE COMMUNICATION, THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHO WAS GOING TO RECEIVE THE FULL VACATION.

THE, UH, THE ACTUAL VACATION AND APRIL EQUAL PORTION WOULD GO TO HUNTINGTON BANK TO THE NORTH.

AND AN EQUAL PORTION WILL GO TO THE BROAD REACH, WHICH WILL BE THE OWNER TO THE SOUTH.

AND, UH, AT THE TIME THAT WE HAD PREPARED THE LEGISLATION, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PARTIES HAD AGREED THAT ALL OF THE VACATION WOULD GO TO THE OWNER TO THE SOUTH, WHICH HAS BROAD REACH THEY'VE CLARIFIED THAT WE'VE PROVIDED UPDATED LEGISLATION AND THE CLERK, UH, UPDATED THAT FOR COUNCIL EARLIER TODAY.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS ON MONDAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM RYAN ON THE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE LEGISLATION THAT IS IN THE PACKET WILL BE

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YET AMENDED BY MONDAY.

UM, BECAUSE WHILE WE TOOK OUT THE SECTION THAT SAID THAT IT'S ALL GOING TO ONE PERSON, WE DIDN'T PUT IN WHERE IT IS GOING.

SO WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY STATE IT'S GOING TO THE TWO ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO THERE WILL BE THAT JUST A SECTION TWO, WE'LL BE BACK IN THERE AGAIN, IT'LL JUST READ DIFFERENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS, UH, JUST CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER WITH THIS BEING AN ORDINANCE, IF IT WOULD GO TO TWO READINGS OR IT NEEDS TO BE WAIVED AND ADOPTED ONLINE, UH, THE DEVELOPER WOULD ASK THAT YOU WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTERS IN EMERGENCIES THAT, THAT THEY CAN COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

ANY OBJECTION? YES, RICHARD.

YES, I GUESS BRIAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE NEED OF THE EMERGENCY IS? UM, I MEAN, ARE THEY GOING TO BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY? AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN.

SO THERE'S TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THE SITE.

THE PROJECT THAT IS READY TO GO IMMEDIATELY IS THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE ALL OF THE BACON AREAS SURROUNDS.

THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE DEVELOPER WHO WAS WORKING ON THAT PORTION WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IN EQUIPMENT.

THEY'VE BEEN READY TO MOVE EQUIPMENT IN FOR THE LAST 60 DAYS TO CLEAR THAT LAND, PULL THE ROAD OUT AND BEGIN PREPPING THE LAND FOR THEIR SECTION OF THE PROPERTY.

THE APARTMENT BUILDER IS SOMEWHAT AHEAD.

SCHEDULE WISE.

THEREFORE, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE TWO WEEK PERIOD, THE SECOND READING, AND THEN THE 30 DAY REFERENDUM PERIOD THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, YOU'RE PUT THEM OUT ANOTHER 45 DAYS.

AND THE, WELL, I KNOW SPEAKING FOR ME, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WAVING THE SECOND READING ON MONDAY AND PASSING IT AS IS, UM, WHICH WOULD GIVE IT, UM, AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE SECOND WEEK IN FEBRUARY.

UM, I DON'T SEE MUCH CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE FREEZE AND ADVERSE WEATHER WE'RE HAVING, I JUST QUESTIONED THE NEED FOR EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE TO USE THAT WHEN IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND IF IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, THEN I LIKE TO HAVE THAT DEFINED.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WAVING THE SECOND READING, CUTTING THAT DOWN BY 10 DAYS.

COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY OBJECTION MIRROR AT THIS TIME AND THE QUESTIONS.

SO HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? WE JUST PUT IT ON THERE AS A WAY THE SECOND READING IS DECLARING AN EMERGENCY.

AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, WE'RE JUST STAYING AS A REGULAR.

ALRIGHT.

HEY, OBJECTION IS MOVING THIS ON.

3G, WHICH IS CONTRACT MODIFICATION FOR THE ARAMARK COMPANY.

UH, NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ Contract Modification - The Aero-Mark Company]

AND THIS IS RUSS.

I THINK THAT'S, UM, A LITTLE DANGEROUS SOMETIMES WHEN I CAN TELL YOU IF THEY DID A LONGFORD WEST OF TROY, THEN THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB BECAUSE THAT LOOKS VERY GOOD, VERY WELL MARKED.

UM, COULD HE BE CONSTANT AGAIN? UH, THIS IS FOR CONTRACT MODIFICATION WITH ARAMARK COMPANY, WHICH IS A COMPANY THAT DOES ROADWAY, PAVEMENT MARKINGS.

THEY PUT STRIPING ON PAVEMENTS.

UH, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS MONTHS AGO WITH, UH, MIAMI VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS COUNCIL WENT OUT FOR PROPOSALS, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK AND THE PRICING CAME BACK AND THEN THEY OFFERED THIS TO ALL THE MEMBER CITIES, UH, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE BEST PRICE TO DO PAVEMENT MARKINGS AFTER BASICALLY FROM OUR PAVING AND ANY OTHER ROADS THAT WE NEEDED TO REDO THE PAVING, THE MARKINGS, UM, WE THEN CHOSE ARAMARK COMPANY FOR THE PRICES THEY HAD GIVEN.

UH, ORIGINALLY THE QUOTE WAS, UH, $22,369, UH, AFTER THEY STARTED, UH, THEY THERE'S A FEW OF THE STREETS THAT WERE REPAVED AND THEY DID NOT HAVE IN THEIR PRICE FOR LAYING OUT THE STRIPING PRIOR TO PAVING.

SO IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER $1,400.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEY, WHEN THEY WERE FINISHED, THEY CAME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN QUANTITIES.

UH, I THINK IT WAS LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE FOR QUANTITIES.

THE PROBLEM WE HAD WAS WE HAD A PO FOR 24, 9 99, WHICH IS UNDER THE 25,000 LIMIT FOR THE CITY.

AND THIS ENDED UP COMING OUT AT $25,312 AND 70 CENTS.

SO OUR CONTRACT IS, UH, WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE CONTRACT BY $313 AND 70 CENTS TO PAY THEM THE OVERAGE OF OUR PO.

SO, AND IT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S OVER THE 25.

SO THIS IS THIS, THE STRIPING IN THE MIDDLE ROAD, THE YELLOW LINES, THERE'S THIS MAN, WHATEVER, BECAUSE WHEN IT RAINS, I'M ON BRAND PIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M AT.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS, UM, THAT THIS HELPS THAT AMANDA KNEW IT AT NIGHTTIME.

AND I DON'T SEE THE GREATEST ANY WAY, BUT MAN W WHEN IT'S RAINING AND WHEN THAT, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT LANE I'M IN THE RIGHT LANE OR THE LEFT LANE.

SO, UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, UM, REPAINT NET STUFF, BRIGHTENS IT UP AND, AND HELPS.

CAUSE

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ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL THIS, THE MONEY NEXT IS ITEM

[ Water Survey - Phase II - Award Contract]

THREE H WHICH IS THE WATER SURVEY PHASE TWO.

THIS IS A WORRY IN THE CONTRACT THAT SAYS YOU ALSO ARRESTED.

UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS A NEW CONTRACT WITH ARI CONSULTANTS.

UH, THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE OF A THREE PHASE WATER SURVEY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

UH, A MAP IS ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET, SHOWS THE THREE PHASES, UH, MIDDLE PHASE IS PHASE TWO.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO THIS YEAR.

UM, ALL RIGHT, CONSULTANTS DID PHASE ONE LAST YEAR.

AND UH, THIS COMPANY HAS WORKED WITH US FOR MANY YEARS WITH OUR GIS AND THEY WORK WITH, UH, JUDY, WHO DOES OUR GIS.

UH, SO WE USE THEM A LOT.

AND, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING WAS, UH, COMING INTO THE CITY AGAIN, AS THEY DID LAST YEAR, WORK IN THE FIELD AND FIND ALL THE FIRE HYDRANTS, WATER VALVES THAT GO WITH THE FIREARMS AND ANY MAINLINE WATER VALVES, THEY LOCATE THEM IN THE FIELD.

AND THEN THOSE ARE PUT ON OUR GIS MAP FOR, THEY GIVE US EXACT LOCATIONS FOR ALL THESE UTILITIES, AND THAT HELPS OUT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SUEZ, ESPECIALLY DURING, ESPECIALLY DURING EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, THEY CAN PULL THAT UP AND FIND EXACTLY WHERE THE, WHERE THEY'RE AT.

A LOT OF THEM ON OUR GAS MAP IS JUST, WAS PUT IN BY DESIGN AND MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

AND THERE ARE SOME MISSING THAT THESE COMPANY WILL FIND FOR US.

UH, SO THE COST OF THIS IS NOT TO EXCEED $40,000 AND THE WATER FUND WILL BE USED FOR THIS.

AND IT WAS IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR, I GUESS, NANCY ROSS, IS THERE A MAXIMUM NUMBER THEY CAN DO A YEAR? I'M WONDERING WHY THIS WAS SPLIT UP INTO PHASES.

WELL, WE DECIDED NOT TO DO IT ALL BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY LARGE TO DO THE WHOLE CITY AT ONCE.

SO WE DECIDED TO JUST DO BREAK IT INTO THREE PHASES.

AND I THINK LAST YEAR WAS 40,000.

UH, YEAH, THEY, THEY FIGURED OUT ROUGHLY HOW MANY THERE ARE IN THE WHOLE CITY AND BY THEIR COSTS TO DO EACH ONE, UH, IT WAS JUST EASIER FOR US TO DO IT THIS WAY.

AND FOR THEM, BECAUSE DURING THE WHOLE CITY WAS A BIGGER PROJECT FOR THEM, FOR THE TIMEFRAME, THEY CAN DO IT IN A, THEY CAN'T REALLY DO IT IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER.

SO, UH, IT WAS JUST A BETTER WAY TO DO IT WAS TO SPLIT IT INTO THREE AND DO IT, ARE WE ADDING THEM IN AS NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE BUILT? YES.

JUDY, WHO DOES OUR GIS ADDS THEM IN EVERY TIME A SECTION OF A NEW SUBDIVISION COMES IN, SHE COMES, SHE LAYS THE LIGHTS OUT AND PUTS ALL THE UTILITIES THEN.

YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, RUSS.

AND I, AND I CAN'T RECALL IF I ASKED THIS BEFORE, SO I'M GOING TO ASK IT AGAIN, JUST TO REFRESH MY MEMORY WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY DO THIS PROJECT.

ARE THEY ALSO IDENTIFYING THE CONNECTION POINTS OF THE SERVICE LINES, UH, THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS, UH, AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AT JUST THE VALVES, IT'S JUST THE VALVES ON THE MAINLINE AND ON THE FIRE HYDRANTS.

SO NOW THEY DO NOT DO WATER SERVICES.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO WHERE A WATER SERVICE IS LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S USUALLY A DIRECT LINE TO THE MAIN LINE IN THE STREET.

SO, UH, NO, I MEAN, WE, WE COULD PROBABLY ADD THE COST OF LOCATING EACH WATER METER, BUT THE SERVICE ITSELF, THE CONNECTION, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE AT, BUT WE KNOW IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT PERPENDICULAR INTO THE MAIN.

THE REASON I ASKED IS WOULD THAT INFORMATION NOT BE BENEFICIAL FOR US WHEN A WATER MAIN BREAK OCCURS WHERE THAT SERVICE LINE IS LOCATED, WHERE THAT CONNECTION POINT IS AT.

IF WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE ALREADY GOT SOMEBODY OUT GOING AND DOING PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK.

WHY NOT GET THE ADDITIONAL PIECE OF INFORMATION? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'D BE A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO GET, BUT, UH, IT'S ONE OF THEM THINGS WE COULD DO.

IT'S JUST, WE DON'T THINK THE INFORMATION FOR ALL THAT WORK WOULD NECESSARILY BE, BUT, AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT HAVE HOUSING, THAT HISTORICAL DATA WOULD BE BENEFICIAL? IT WOULD BE, BUT NOT FOR THE COST OF DOING IT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHERE EVERY WATER SERVICES, BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY DO IT.

THE ONLY THING THEY CAN DO IS LOCATE THE METER AND BEATERS ARE PRETTY SIMPLE TO FIND IN THE FIELD, THE RIGHT THERE.

SO, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY A BENEFICIAL THING TO DO FOR THE COST.

WHAT WOULD THAT ADDITIONAL COST BE TO DO THE LOCATION OF ALL THOSE I'D HAVE TO GET THAT.

YOU CAN BRING IT OUT.

AND MARY, JUST, JUST AS AN INQUIRY, I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

I MEAN, I, ESPECIALLY AS PHASE TWO IS IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE HAVING A MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES, UM, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN SOUTH OF THAT, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD THING TO HAVE ON, ON RECORD,

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SO.

SO ANY OTHER, UH, COUNSEL WANT TO JOIN MR. SHAW AND HAVE, UM, HETEROS LOOK AT THAT OVER THAT COST GOING ONCE? I'M SORRY, MAYOR, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? OH, WAS, IS HE, RICHARD HAD SAID SINCE THAT PHASE TWO IS KIND OF IN THE AREA WHERE SOME OF OUR WATER MAIN BREAKS WANT SOME, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT, UM, TO FIND OUT WHAT COSTS WOULD BE FOR LOCATING ALL THOSE SERVICE MEANS ALL THAT, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE AT LEAST HAVE THAT NUMBER IN MIND.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MEET ON IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.

THE NEXT MEETING SOCIAL EMAIL WOULD BE FINE WITH ME, JUST MAKING SURE THAT COUNCILS AND AGREEMENT AND ASKING RUSS TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

I KEPT BREASTS.

IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

NOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A LOCATION OF THE METERS ITSELF.

THAT'S ALL WE CAN REALLY LOCATE.

OBJECTION TO ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.

IS ITEM THREE, I, WHICH IS REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS ON THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

WE'LL SEE THAT MONDAY.

[ Request For Proposals - Water Distribution System Integrity Study]

THIS IS THE INTEGRITY STUDY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RUSS, UH, FOR THIS ONE.

UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UH, AFTER NEXT WEEK'S MEETING, WE PLAN ON GOING OUT FOR PROPOSALS FOR A INTEGRITY STUDY OF OUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

UM, HOPEFULLY THIS STUDY WILL HELP US DETERMINE THE CAUSES, RESOLUTIONS, SCHEDULING, AND COST, UH, AND MANY OTHER FACTORS TO, UH, UH, HELP BRING OUR WATER MAINS TO A, I GUESS, AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

BUT, UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY FINISHING UP THE PROPOSAL.

THIS W THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THIS WEEK, AND WE SHOULD BE READY TO NEXT WEEK TO GO OUT FOR, TO SEND IT OUT TO, UH, UH, AT LEAST SO MANY.

WELL, I'M GOING TO LOCATE AS MANY, UH, CONSULTING FIRMS THAT CAN DO THIS TYPE OF WORK.

AND THEN WE WILL, I'VE CONTACTED A FEW ALREADY, SO I KNOW SOME OF THEM DO IT, SO WE WILL CONTACT THEM AND ASK THEM TO SUBMIT PROPOSALS FOR US.

I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO RUSS, WHAT WILL THIS GIVE US THE END PRODUCT? WHAT WILL THIS GIVE US? WELL, LIKE I SAID, I'M HOPING IT TELLS US CAUSES OF POSSIBLE WATER, MAIN BLAKE'S LOCATIONS, WELL LOCATIONS WE HAVE, BUT SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION FOR WHAT WE CAN DO.

UM, MAYBE A SCHEDULE OF WHAT WE CAN, HOW WE CAN DO IT IN THE FUTURE, THE COST ON MAYBE EACH YEAR, WHAT TO DO.

UM, I AM WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT RIGHT NOW TO, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A FEW OF THEM AND HE'S PROVIDED ME WITH INFORMATION ON HOW THEY DO, I'M TAKING THAT AND ADDING IT TO IT.

SO, UH, I CAN PRESENT THE PROPOSAL TO YOU TO, UM, THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO READ IT, TO SEE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THAT PROPOSAL AND WOULDN'T HURT.

UM, SO, AND THIS WOULD BE CITYWIDE.

THIS WOULD GIVE US THE IDEA OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM.

UH, BUT TH THIS WOULD NOT ADDRESS THE LINING ISSUE OR WOULD IT WOULD NOT.

SO THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE.

UH, YEAH.

WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT FROM THE ORIGINAL COMPANY, THEIR REPORT ON WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH FOR THE LINING ISSUE.

UM, THIS, I CAN SEE ON THIS ONE, WHETHER WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THE, IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH WHAT BETTER AREAS TO DO LINING RATHER THAN THEIR REPLACEMENTS.

AND I DIDN'T INTEND TO MAKE THIS ISSUE ANOTHER SEPARATE ISSUE WITH THE WATER LINING.

I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WHETHER THIS INCLUDED THAT OR NOT, AND IT WASN'T, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT IN THERE.

UM, BRIAN, UH, MY, TO UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT, UH, YOUR COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY THAT DURING YOUR RESEARCH, YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND THAT THE CITY HAS EVER DONE THIS TYPE OF STUDY.

CORRECT? SO FROM AN, AND I JUST WANT TO RECAP A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WAS DURING, UH, UM, COUNCILMAN LIONS AND, UH, MR. BERLIN'S COMMENTS THAT THIS PLAN, THE STUDY IS GOING TO TELL US HOW WE CAN KEEP THIS ON OUR RADAR, MOVING FORWARD, PUT IN PLANS.

UM, WHAT AREAS OF THE CITY IS THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING IMPACTFUL.

UM, THOSE OF WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE BREAKS, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE A THIRD-PARTY ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE WITH OUR SOIL IMPACTS, WITH THE CURRENT PIPING THAT'S IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO GIVE US ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.

AM I CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HOPING THE STUDY WILL PROVIDE US.

THAT'S INFORMATION, I THINK IS VERY VALUABLE FOR US MOVING FORWARD, NOT JUST IN THE CENTRAL PART OF OUR CITY, BUT IN THE ENTIRETY.

BECAUSE AS MR. LYONS HAD MENTIONED, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE DETAILS IN THAT RFP

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UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE EXPANSION ON A CERTAIN SIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE THAT, UM, THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT GROWTH, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT OUR CURRENT EXISTING SYSTEM? UM, YOU KNOW, WILL THE STUDY TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHAT FUTURE WELLS WE MAY NEED? I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALREADY DECIDED AND THROUGH OUR, YOU KNOW, SUEZ MODIFICATION AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

I MEAN, THAT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A PROPER CIP TOGETHER FOR THIS.

UM, AND AGAIN, TO, I BELIEVE MR. CAMPBELL'S, UM, COMMENTS, UH, PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO FIX THOSE ITEMS AND THEIR OPINION.

THOSE ARE THE THIRD-PARTY ANALYSIS INFORMATION THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

THEY CAN MIRROR TO YOUR, TO YOUR COMMENTS, MR. SHAW, THE STUDY WOULD TELL US WHAT THE CONSULTANT BELIEVES THE COST TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM OVER A PARTICULAR TIMEFRAME WOULD BE THAT IS INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE IN THAT STUDY.

SOMETHING LIKE WHEN WOULD WE NEED WELLS, OR HOW MUCH WOULD THOSE WELLS COSTS, THAT WOULD BE, UH, AN ADDITION TO THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THIS PARTICULAR RFP, BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ABOUT PROVIDING CAPACITY AND CAPACITY IS DRIVEN BY GROWTH OR BY USE.

AND THIS, THIS STUDY IS TO TRIAGE EXISTING ASSETS, TO PROVIDE US A SCHEDULE AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN THAT ASSET WITH RESPECT TO ITS CURRENT CONDITION, AS OPPOSED TO ENHANCING THE ABILITY OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE MORE OR ADDITIONAL THE SERVICE.

AND, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T WORD THAT PROPERLY, UH, I GUESS, UH, LET ME REPHRASE AND STATE THAT IF THIS CITY IS CONTINUING TO GROW IN THE MANNER THAT IT IS WITH A LOT OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS, I WOULD LIKE THIS THIRD PARTY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR CURRENT PIPES, THAT OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABLE TO HANDLE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND IF NOT, YOU NEED TO DO X, Y, AND Z.

I THINK THAT'S ALSO THE $20 MILLION QUESTION.

UM, MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL WELLS, CAUSE AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH WHO WAS, BUT YOU KNOW, IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND SUSTAIN ADDITIONAL GROWTH? SO I THINK WE NEED THE, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OUT OF THIS STUDY.

THIS IS, THIS IS CALLED AN INTEGRITY STUDY.

SO I THINK WHAT WE GOT TO FIND OUT IS WHY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING THIS STUDY TELLS US IS WHY THE SYSTEM HAS LOST ITS INTEGRITY, WHERE IT HAS AND WHY COLLECTIVELY IN SUCH A SMALL SPACE.

AND I GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I, AND I, AND I GET EVERYBODY'S QUESTION AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT GROWTH AND ARE WE PUTTING TOO MUCH STRESS IN THE SYSTEM AND ALL THESE THINGS.

I MEAN, THERE'S COMMUNITIES ARE GROWING ALL OVER THE PLACE AROUND US.

IT ISN'T JUST US.

BUT WE ALSO KNOW WE NEVER REALLY GOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT MARK HAD ASKED A FEW WEEKS AGO REGARDING WHEN THE CODE CHANGED.

SO WE KNOW THAT PIPE THAT WENT IN THE GROUND 30 YEARS AGO WAS PLACED UNDER DIFFERENT PARAMETERS AND DIFFERENT CODES THAN WHAT PIPE THAT WENT IN THE GROUND 15 YEARS AGO.

THAT'S THE MEAT OF THE QUESTION FOR ME.

IF, IF WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE PIPE BREAKS OCCUR IN AN AREA OLDER WHERE THE PIPES ARE JUST EXPOSED TO SOIL AND NOT GRAVEL AND NOT ANY KIND OF LINING AROUND THE PIPE, THAT'S PROTECTING THE PIPE FROM THE GROUND.

BUT THEN WE LOOK IN THE NORTHERN SECTION OF TOWN THAT WAS BUILT JUST 30 YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE NOT HAVING ALL THESE ISSUES UP THERE.

WELL, IS THAT BECAUSE THE CODE CHANGED ON THE WAY THAT PIPE WAS INSTALLED, THE, THE MATERIAL OF THE PIPE THAT WAS INSTALLED.

SO, SO YES, I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW, CAN WE CONTINUE TO GROW WITHOUT COMPLETELY DAMAGING THE SYSTEM, BUT THERE ARE, UM, LOTS OF ISSUES, LOTS OF QUESTIONS STILL TO ME AROUND THE TYPE OF PIPE USE WHEN IT WAS PUT IN WHAT THE CODE WAS, THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT THE MAP THAT BRIAN AND SCOTT HAD, I THINK IN 2019 OR 20, 20, 20, 22, 20, 19, 20 AND 21, WE HAD LIKE 19 BREAKS EACH YEAR IN WARD FIVE.

SO THAT WAS THE OLDEST SECTION OF THE CITY.

AND WE DIDN'T SEE MORE THAN 19 BREAKS, THREE YEARS IN A ROW IN WARD FIVE.

BUT THEN AS WE STARTED TO MOVE NORTH, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WARDS THREE AND FOUR WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE AN ISSUE.

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SO SOMETHING CHANGED FROM THE OLDEST THAT THE CITY IS TO A NEWER SECTION OF THE CITY THAT IS STILL NOW, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, SEVENTIES STILL 50 YEARS OLD, BUT THEN WE'RE NOT SEEING THOSE SAME ISSUES.

NOW, THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, UH, NORTH OF 70, AROUND 19 89, 19 90 AND, AND LATER.

SO, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED HERE, BUT COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED BETWEEN WHAT WAS BUILT IN WARD FIVE.

AND THE OLDEST PART OF THE CITY, SOMETHING CHANGED WHEN WE GOT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY AND THEN IT'S NOW BETTER AND FIXED IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

AND I THINK WE JUST GOT TO KNOW WHAT THE CODE WAS AND WHAT CHANGED.

THOSE ARE TWO HUGE FACTORS TO ME THAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T ANSWERED.

AND I THINK WE HAVE KNOWN THAT.

AND I THINK THE MAYOR IS NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WORD FIVE IS SURVIVAL AS WELL AS IT HAS BECAUSE I FIRST GOT ELECTED 2017.

BUT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT SOFTENING THE WATER.

THAT WAS PRETTY FUNNY, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT SOFTENING THE WATER AND THAT IT WOULD HAVE SOME EFFECT ON OUR WATER MAINS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN PUBLIC.

AND I WOULD HOPE THE STUDY WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS TRUE OR NOT.

BRIAN, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED THAT THERE WAS POSSIBLY A CODE CHANGE WHERE THE PIPE IS NOT LAYING RIGHT ON THE DIRT, RIGHT ON THE SOIL.

AND MAYBE SOME OF THE ACIDS ARE EFFECTING THE PIPE, BUT THEN EVEN GREATER THAN THAT, AS WE GO FURTHER NORTH AND IN POCKETS OF THE CITY, LIKE WHEN NANCY AND I LIVE, UM, MAYBE THE PIPES, NOT EVEN IN THE SAME LOCATION, THE WATER MAINS NOT EVEN INSTALLED IN THE SAME LOCATION.

AND I THINK BRIAN, YOUR AND RUSS'S STUDY MIGHT INDICATE THAT THE ACID IN THE SOIL IS DIFFERENT.

IF THE PIPES LAID UNDER ASPHALT VERSUS NOT LAID UNDER ASPHALT.

SO THE STUDY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EMPLOY WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.

THE INTENT IS THAT THIS STUDY SHOULD ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ASK ABOUT WHY IS CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENING IN CERTAIN AREAS? WHY AREN'T IT HAPPENING IN OTHER AREAS? HOW DO WE PREVENT IN THE FUTURE? WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CERTAIN AREAS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? AND WHAT DOES THAT ALL COST? THAT'S REALLY THE NUT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER.

WE CAN ADD OR SUBTRACT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.

AND I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WANT ANSWERS TO, BUT WE'RE RUNNING INTO AN ISSUE OF ANALYSIS BY PARALYSIS.

AND SO THE MORE QUESTIONS WE TRY TO ANSWER ALL AT ONE TIME, THE LESS TIME WE SPEND ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

SO TO MR. SHAW, TO SOME OF YOUR POINTS EARLIER, WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION OR WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE QUESTIONS AS PART OF A SEPARATE STUDY, WHICH COULD RELATE TO THIS INFORMATION.

SO THIS CURRENT STUDY WILL TELL US WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AND CORRECTING THE PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW THE ANSWERS TO.

NOW, WE BELIEVE WE KNOW THE ANSWERS TO NOW BASED ON A MYRIAD OF DATA THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO COLLECT.

WE CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND TAKE A, AND PROVIDE ANOTHER STUDY, SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE SEEN GROWTH AND POTENTIAL.

THESE ARE ALL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CASES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED, OR WHERE WE'VE SEEN DEVELOPED INTEREST OF DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE INTEGRITY STUDY AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, OR THIS INFORMATION WE HAVE, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO EXPAND? THE SYSTEM IS THE SYSTEM CAPABLE OF HANDLING THAT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

IF, AND WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, THESE ARE ALL STEPPING STONES, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO GET ANSWERED, AT LEAST THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS THE FIRST ONE IS, FIND OUT WHY THIS STUFF IS BREAKING AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST TO PROHIBIT IT OR LIMIT IT FROM BREAKING IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER HERE, BUT IT IS COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU THE REPORT THAT YOU DEEM IS APPROPRIATE WITH THE INFORMATION YOU WANT.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IF THAT'S THE WISH OF COUNCIL.

BUT OUR INTENT THROUGH THIS STUDY IS TO ANSWER THAT FIRST BLOCK OF QUESTIONS TO TAKE THAT FIRST STEPPING STONE AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

AND I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT'S THE FIRST STEP AFTER WE'VE ANSWERED THAT IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE COULD ALWAYS SEEK THAT WORK DONE AS WELL.

RUSS, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE CITY? UH, 14 AND A HALF YEARS.

AND, UH, WE ALWAYS HAD WATER MAIN BREAKS EACH YEAR.

IT, SINCE WE SAW FROM THE WATER, CORRECT? YEAH, THERE WERE MORE, I THINK I SAID THE LAST MEETING, THE MINUTE WE STARTED SOFTENING THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE HAD THREE TIMES AS MANY, BUT THE WHOLE FOLLOWING YEAR, WE ONLY HAD THE SAME AMOUNT AS THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD.

WE TYPICALLY HAVE ABOUT 50 TO 60 ALL THOSE YEARS.

AND THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE EXPERIENCING ADDITIONAL WATER MAIN BREAKS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY NOW, CORRECT? YEAH.

WE'RE STILL GETTING THEM EVERYWHERE, BUT MORE IN CERTAIN AREAS AND

[02:25:01]

SO I'M HOPING IT'S SLOWING DOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE YET, BUT, AND TO THAT POINT, UM, BRIAN, I, I THINK THE REPORT WILL ALSO INDICATE BY TELLING US WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

IF IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE OR IF IT HAS REACHED ITS PEAK AND WE'RE ON THE DECLINE.

THAT IS INFORMATION WE'RE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THIS REPORT.

THANKS MAN.

THANKS THE QUESTIONS, I GUESS FOR US, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE OTHER THING.

I DID TALK TO DANNY, MY INSPECTOR THAT'S HE JUST RETIRED, BUT HE WAS HERE FOR 30 YEARS.

I THINK.

UH, I ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION ABOUT, WHEN DOES HE THINK THAT MAYBE THAT, UH, TRENCHES AND THIN STANDARDS CHANGED? HE SAYS THAT HE THINKS IT HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER WE BECAME A CITY IN 1981, UH, RIGHT AFTER THAT IS WHEN WE FIRST HAD OUR FIRST SET OF STANDARD DRAWINGS WITH TRENCH DETAILS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND WE HIRED, STARTED HAVING MORE INSPECTIONS AT THAT POINT.

AND, UH, WE INSPECTED EVERY TRENCH TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING INTO THE GROUND RATHER THAN BEFORE THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INSPECTIONS WERE, WHO DID THAT MODEL, IT WASN'T CITY EMPLOYEES DOING IT? I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD INFO BECAUSE EVERYTHING NORTH OF 70 WAS ALL THE MID TO LATE EIGHTIES.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE HEBREW RIGHTS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY IN THAT CONTRACT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

UH,

[ Huber Heights Comprehensive Plan - Award Contract]

BRIAN, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, THIS CITY HAD MADE PLANS PREVIOUSLY IN 2021 TO UPDATE ITS EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH A RESPONDING FIRM.

WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH THE FIRM IDENTIFIED AS THE BEST QUALIFIED RESPONDENT THAT THEY ARE STILL WILLING TO DO THE STUDY.

THEY ARE STILL WILLING TO DO IT FOR THE COSTS THEY BID SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

UH, AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SECURE A PURCHASE ORDER AGAINST A 20, 21 MONEY FOR THAT COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.

AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL APPROVE LEGISLATION THAT THE NEXT MEETING TO AWARD THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT TO, I BELIEVE IT IS THE YARD GROUP, UH, FOR THE 2021 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE ANYTHING.

UH, BRIAN AND THAT'LL DO YOU KNOW THAT IN THE LIST OF THE FIVE PROPOSALS, UH, WHERE THIS FINAL ONE STOOD IN THE RANKING? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL THAT INFORMATION.

THERE WERE TWO FIRMS FROM THE EVALUATIONS.

THERE WERE TWO FIRMS THAT STOOD OUT THE YARD GROUP IN MS. CONSULTANTS.

THERE WAS A THIRD FIRM THAT WAS KIND OF MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

AND THERE WERE TWO FIRMS THAT WERE NOT DEEMED QUALIFIED BEST QUALIFIED IN REVIEW, UH, IN REVIEW OF THOSE, UH, RANKINGS AND THOSE PROPOSALS, THE TOP TWO FIRMS WERE CONTACTED WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED AND HONORING THAT PROPOSAL, UH, AND TO COMMENCE THAT WORK IN 2022 ONLY ONE FIRM RESPONDED.

AND SO THAT IS WHY WE BROUGHT FORWARD.

THIS PROPOSAL.

THE YARD GROUP IS THE YARD GROUP OUT OF CINCINNATI.

THEY WERE THE RESPONDENT.

THEY ARE PARTNERING WITH SB FRIEDMAN WHO HAD DONE WORK FOR US WITH RESPECT TO THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, PROPERTY ACQUISITION, UH, IS THEIR PARTNERSHIP.

THAT WAS THE, UH, THE SELECTED BID MS. CONSULTANTS WHO HAD PERFORMED.

I BELIEVE IT WAS THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE THE OTHER FIRM, BUT THEY DID NOT RESPOND TO OUR REQUESTS, UH, TO, UH, TO CONTINUE THEIR, THEIR PROPOSAL PRICING, UH, FOR, FOR 2022.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I JUST WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT TAKING JUST SO LAST MAN STANDING.

YEAH, YEAH.

THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT.

WE, SO WE RAN A FULLY COMPLIANT PROCESS WHEN WE SOLICITED THESE.

UH, AND, UM, I'M SURE YOU DID.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHERE THEY WERE IN THE RANKING.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OBJECTION TO MONDAY.

WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE MOVING TO MONDAY? WELL, A WORD IN THE CONTRACT FOR THE CONFERENCE.

DO WE HAVE THAT CONTRACT AVAILABLE? BECAUSE THERE'S NO LEGISLATION IN THE PACKET.

I WOULD ASSUME THE LEGISLATION THAT'D BE COMING OR WE NOT HAVE IT.

UM, MY APOLOGIES, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT LEGISLATION AVAILABLE TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

COULD YOU SEND THE, UM, THE CONTRACT, THE COPY, THE PROPOSALS.

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ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS THE PLANNING SERVICES, UH, AWARDING A CONTRACT, RIGHT? UH, YES.

SO DOES COUNCIL MOVE THIS FORWARD OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT CONTRACT IN HAND TO REVIEW IT BEFORE IT GOES? OR IF WE HAVE IT IMMEDIATELY, ARE YOU GOING TO BE OKAY FOR MONDAY THE CONTRACT ITSELF, WE WOULD NEGOTIATE SUBJECT TO, IT WOULD BE OUR FORM CONTRACT.

UH, THAT WAS THE GENERAL SERVICES CONTRACT.

I BELIEVE COUNTLESS, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL APPROVED BACK IN 2019.

UH, SO, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW ADDRESS.

SO ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS INTO MOVING ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

NEXT IS

[ Planning Services - Award Contract]

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, WITH THE RECENT DEPARTURE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST, JASON FOSTER, WE NOW DO NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO PROVIDE IN-HOUSE PLANNING SERVICES, WHICH IS AN OBLIGATION OF OUR MUNICIPAL CHARTER.

AND AS A RESULT, WE, UH, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT WITH A COMMUNITY PLANNING INSIGHTS, LLC, WHICH IS A LOCAL FIRM THAT PROVIDES SUCH SERVICES.

UH, AND THIS IS ON AN HOURLY RATE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $110,000.

WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THAT CONTRACT ON MONDAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, GLEN, HOW SOON, WHAT WOULD BE, I'M CONDUCTING A SEARCH FOR A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT POSITION? UH, THAT DEPENDS ON COUNCIL'S RESPONSE TO THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.

IT IS, IT WOULD BE A PROFESSIONAL COURTESY TO ALLOW THE INCOMING MANAGER TO SELECT THE STAFF OF THEIR CHOOSING.

SO ONCE COUNCIL WERE TO IDENTIFY A CANDIDATE AND WE HAD AN APPROXIMATE START DATE, WE WOULD BEGIN A SEARCH PROCESS IN ADVANCE OF THE CITY MANAGER'S ARRIVAL SO THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE A LIST OF CANDIDATES TO REVIEW TO INTERVIEW ONCE THEY ARRIVE.

GUESS I NEEDED BRINGING IT.

IS THIS, UM, WHAT'S JASON'S POSITION, A CONTRACT POSITION, OR IS IT A CIVIL SERVICE POSITION? NO, HE WAS AN EXEMPT FULL TIME EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.

SO HE WAS ON CONTRACT.

NO, HE WAS NOT, HE WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CITY AS A, HE WASN'T EVEN A PLAN.

HE WAS NOT EMPLOYED BY THE CITY AS A PLANNER.

HE WAS EMPLOYED TO SUPPORT, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS PREVIOUSLY IN OUR ORGANIZATION.

HE HAD SERVED AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

SO HE WAS MOST FAMILIAR OF ALL MEMBERS OF STAFF WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE AND HOW TO APPLY THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF SITE PLAN REVIEWS, THE CITY HAS NOT ACTUALLY EMPLOYED A PLANNER, SPECIFICALLY, A PLANNER FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, SCOTT FELT KOSKI SERVED IN THAT FUNCTION, UH, SERVED AS THAT FUNCTIONAL ROLE IN HIS ROLE AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF PUBLIC SERVICES.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF SOME OF THE POSITIONS WERE CIVIL SERVICE STILL, OR THEY WERE CONTRACTOR OR HOW THAT'S ALL RAN, JUST BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF LIKE SHOCKED WHEN HE ONLY GAVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE AND I'M LIKE SOMEBODY IN THAT KIND OF POSITION, USUALLY IT'S FOUR WEEKS NOTICE AND GIVE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR PLANNING.

UM, NOT A LOT WHEN IT'S THE HOLIDAYS, BUT STILL TWO WEEKS WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO WEEKS IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE PERSONNEL MANUAL.

AND THAT IS THE NOTICE THAT HE GAVE.

AND THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AGAINST RICHARD.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

SO READING THROUGH THIS, UM, THERE IS A NOT TO EXCEED, UM, ON THIS OF $110,000.

SO THIS IS NOT A, A LUMP SUM AWARD.

IT IS A PER HOUR OR CORRECT, CORRECT.

THE COMPANY WILL RESPOND TO THE COUNCIL OR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, UH, THE WAY IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THE MEETING DEMANDS.

SO IF THERE'S ONE CASE, THERE'S ONE CASE AND THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM TIME ASSIGNED IF THERE'S 20 CASES, THEN THERE'S 20 CASES.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF TIME ASSIGNED WHEN TALKING THROUGH WHAT WE THOUGHT THIS SHOULD BE.

UH, WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MR. FOSTER.

WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION THAT YOUR HOSKINS, WHO WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT SUPPORTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PLANNER.

THEY ESTIMATED ON AVERAGE 20 HOURS A WEEK WOULD BE NECESSARY.

SO WE TOOK 20 HOURS TIMES THE HOURLY RATE TIMES 52 WEEKS AND WOW.

$110,000.

THAT'S FAIR.

UH, NOT A PROBLEM.

UM, MY ONLY OTHER, UM, UH, CONCERN WITH THIS EXHIBIT IS, UM, THE, THE DATE AT THE TOP.

I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, ADJUSTED ONCE WE, UM, ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND IT HAS BEEN ALREADY.

I HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY.

IS ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE MODIFICATION FOR, HE WRITES CITY CODE SECTION 9 0 8, B 10.

[02:35:03]

SO NEXT STEP

[ Ordinance Modification - Huber Heights City Code - Section 509.08(b)(10) - Disturbing The Peace]

THIS IS THE DISTURBING, THE PEACE.

UM, THIS IS OUR LOVELY FRIEND THAT'S BACK AGAIN.

UH, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE REALLY GOT ANY KIND OF, UM, RESOLUTION ON THIS.

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BRIAN AND I JUST PRESENT KIND OF THE COUNCIL.

WHAT I, WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD WAY FORWARD.

UM, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ELIMINATING THE ABILITY FOR CONTRACTORS TO WORK ON THE WEEKEND ON SATURDAY AND OUR CITY, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WORK, UM, WHO NEED A 40 HOUR WEEK CHECK THEY'RE CONTRACTORS, THEY'RE BUILDERS, THEY'RE THEY'RE LABOR PEOPLE, AND SPRINGTIME COMES, THEY GET RAINED OUT.

THEY CAN'T WORK TWO DAYS OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE FIVE.

I MEAN, UH, TO NOT BE ABLE TO LEASE, COME BACK ON SATURDAY AND WORK AND MAKE UP THEIR HOURS OR WHATEVER.

I JUST THINK THAT'S A BAD THING.

I DON'T, WE LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER ORDINANCES AROUND THIS FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

UM, THEY ALL HAVE THOSE KINDS OF HOURS.

SO I THINK WHAT, UM, BRIAN AND I TALKED ABOUT WAS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY SEVEN TO SEVEN, BUT ESTABLISHING A SEPARATE PIECE OF THE CODE FOR CONSTRUCTION DISTURBANCES ITSELF, OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT CODE, DISTURBING THE PEACE, THE CURRENT DISTURBING THE PEACE CODE IS MORE OF A CRIMINAL, UM, A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER THE CODE AND TAKING THIS PIECE, UM, MAKING A SEPARATE PIECE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT CIVIL, WHERE WE CAN, UH, INSTILL SOME HEFTY FINES.

IF SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE, SIX 30 IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS THAT WE ALLOW, THEN, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN FIND THEM.

AND I, AND PART OF THIS ALSO WOULD MAKE THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON, THE PERSON WHO'S HIRING, NOT THE PERSON WHO IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE.

SO THAT CREATES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE IS BEING FOLLOWED.

AND AS A PIECE OF THIS BEING CIVIL, IF THE CODES NOT FOLLOWED AND THEY'RE OUT THERE AND WE FIND THEM AND THEY DON'T PAY, WE CAN ASSESS IT, OR WE CAN NOT ISSUE THEIR FINAL OCCUPANCY PERMIT UNTIL THOSE FINES ARE PAID.

SO I THINK THAT IS, UH, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.

UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A REAL RESOLUTION ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THING IN CIRCLES, AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TO, WE GOT TO FIX THIS.

WE GOT TO PUT TO BED.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT, UH, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

BUT I SOLD THINGS SATURDAY, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY SEVEN TO SEVEN, CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, MAKE A SEPARATE PIECE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, MAKE IT A CIVIL ISSUE WHERE WE CAN ISSUE FINES.

ONE PERSON'S RESPONSIBLE.

AND BRIAN, HOW WAS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE, OR WHO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO NOTICE THE ACTUAL PERSON RESPONSIBLE AS THEY GET PERMITTING? DO WE CHANGE THIS, HOW WE NOTIFY THEM? THAT WAS KIND OF THE PIECE THAT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE PREMISE WOULD BE WHEN THE BUILDER COMES TO PULL THE PERMITS FOR WHATEVER OR WHOEVER THE PARTY IS THAT COMES TO PULL THE PERMIT, THEY BECOME THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THAT PROJECT.

WE'LL CLARIFY THAT AND THAT WAY.

AND WE NOTIFIED THEM THAT THEY ARE NOW THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THAT PROJECT AND ADHERING TO THE CODES OF THE CITY, OR AT LEAST THIS PARTICULAR CODE.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT IF YOU'LL RECALL, CHIEF LIGHTENER HAD EXPRESSED IS ON THE DISTURBING, THE PEACE AS A MISDEMEANOR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CITE EVERY PERSON WHO IS PARTICIPATING OR WHO WAS DISTURBING THE PEACE.

SO YOU COULD HAVE A POLICE OFFICER WHO STANDING THERE SIGHTING, YOU KNOW, FIVE ROOFERS AND TWO PLUMBERS AND FOUR CARPENTERS.

AND EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS TO GET, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR TICKET WRITTEN.

AND THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IN A LOT OF WAYS, UNDER A CIVIL INFRACTION, WE'RE ASSIGNING A PERSON TO BE THE RESPONSIBLE AGENT.

AND IN ACCEPTING THAT PERMIT, THAT PERSON IS AGREEING TO BE THE RESPONSIBLE AGENT.

SO THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO IS NOW RESPONSIBLE AND WE CAN FIND THAT PERSON A CIVIL INFRACTION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WRITTEN IN ANY, IN ALL OF MY SUMMARIES OF THE LAW, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CORRECT THEM BASED ON THEIR PARTIAL OR WHOLE IT ACCURACY, SIR.

BUT MUNICIPAL CIVIL INFRACTIONS DON'T HAVE TO BE WRITTEN AT THE TIME OF THE INFRACTION.

ONLY THAT THE FACT THAT THE INFRACTION WAS DOCUMENTED, THEY CAN ALSO BE WRITTEN BY PERSONS OTHER THAN A CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICERS.

SO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS COULD ALSO WRITE CIVIL INFRACTIONS AS COULD PERHAPS THE INSPECTORS AS WELL, DEPENDING UPON HOW THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN.

OTHER PENALTIES COULD ALSO INCLUDE STOP WORK ORDERS.

SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF RESOLUTIONS AND THERE IS AN INCREASE IN ENFORCEABILITY BY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF

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TECHNICAL THINGS WITHIN THE LAW THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, BUT IT IS THE METHOD THAT APPLIES TO STAFF TO ENSURE THAT PROBLEMATIC SITUATIONS CAN ADDRESSED AND CAN BE ADDRESSED QUICKLY.

THEY ARE BEING DONE.

SO, AND I THOUGHT OUT IN AN ACCOUNTABLE WAY, AND THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THE DISTRACTION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM OTHER MORE PRESSING MATTERS.

WHEN WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

THAT'S WHY IT'S MY OPINION, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE ENGINEER, FROM, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AS WELL AS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD FOR COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BASED ON THE COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS WE HEARD FROM BOTH RESIDENTS AND ALSO FROM OUR STAFF, AS WELL AS PROFESSIONALS WHO WE REQUIRE TO BUILD IN OUR CITY.

THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT SEPARATE LEGISLATION IN THAT ORDINANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR NOTE, FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND WORK SESSION.

THAT'S AGAIN, WORK SESSION.

SO THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND REALLY KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE TEETH AND IT IS.

CAUSE I KEPT HEARING, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

THAT WAS KIND OF ALWAYS THE ISSUE.

SO IF WE DID W WHY HAVE AN ORDINANCE IF HE CAN'T ENFORCE IT? SO THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.

AND IF WE CAN, AS YOU SAY, PUT A STOP RECORDER OR JUST NOT ISSUE AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT BECAUSE THEY VIOLATED OUR CODE.

WELL, EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY IS GONNA PAY.

SO, UM, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK THAT IS A, UH, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD PATH FORWARD.

RICHARD, MARY, I HAVE TO SAY, I, I THINK THE PATH FORWARD IS, IS A GOOD PATH.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE, UH, THE LEGISLATION, THE DOCUMENTATION, UM, THAT PROVIDES THE TEETH BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE OF CHANGING ANY DATES AND TIMES ADDING SATURDAY.

CAUSE CURRENTLY WE DON'T ALLOW SATURDAYS.

SO ADDING SATURDAY AND ADJUSTING THE TIME, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT TEETH RIGHT NOW.

I'D LIKE TO DO THIS AS A WHOLE PACKAGE.

UH, I'M NOT SUGGESTING ONE.

AND THEN I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE LEGISLATION AND MAKE THAT CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IT FROM HIM FROM A CRIMINAL ISSUE TO A CIVIL ISSUE.

SO THE WHOLE PART OF THAT CODE IS GOING TO BE PULLED OUT SEPARATED AND REWRITTEN.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE LEGISLATION WOULD BE CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND WE CAN HAVE THAT BY.

I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY'S PUT IN ON THAT.

UM, AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, WE CAN NIP THIS AND, AND MOVE ON AND HOPEFULLY THIS COUNCIL NEVER HAS TO HEAR ABOUT DISTURBING THE PEACE AND CONSTRUCTION AGAIN, PLEASE.

YES, GO AHEAD.

IF WE DON'T ENFORCE THROUGH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, ARE WE THEN GOING TO BE HAVING ZONING PEOPLE WORKING ON THE WEEKENDS NOW BECAUSE I CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT SIGNS ALL DAY.

EVERYBODY KNOWS AT 5:00 PM ON FRIDAY, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT UNTIL MONDAY MORNING.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE ANYTHING UNLESS WE'RE PLANNING ON HIRING UP SOME PEOPLE OR HAVING THEM WORK THE WEEKENDS.

NOW WE DEAL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

WE DO HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO DOES WORK EVENINGS AND SATURDAYS PROBLEM SOLVED.

I THINK WE MAY NEED TO HIRE ANOTHER ONE.

IT'S A GOOD START.

AM THREE IN THE BRAIN PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT, BRIAN.

YOU MAKE THE FINE STEEP ENOUGH.

THEY'LL STOP.

YEAH, I THINK I WANT TO MAKE, TO FIND STEEP ENOUGH.

WE CAN PAY FOR ANOTHER COAT OFFICER, ALL THAT, ALL THAT CAN BE.

I MEAN, I THINK DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION BASED ON THE LEGISLATION WILL DEFINE IS HOW WILL THAT, HOW WILL THAT WORKS? OKAY.

JARED, GREG, WE'LL GET SOME, WE CAN GET THAT BY THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

THAT'D BE GOOD.

NEXT UP IS I

[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]

FROM LWCC ON THAT PROJECT.

GOOD NEWS.

ON MANY FRONTS.

UH, LIBRARY IS LOOKING TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

SO SALE IS EMINENT DEMO OF UNITED FOR DETROIT IS IN PROGRESS.

AND I BELIEVE IT IS DOWN TO THIS SLAB, IF NOT, IT'S PRETTY GOSH, DARN CLOSE.

UH, AND THEY WILL BEGIN MILLING THE PARKING LOT, UH, HERE SHORTLY.

AND THOSE, UH, THOSE GROUNDS WILL STAY IN PLACE NOW, BUT, UH, IT'S DESIGNED TO REDUCE FUTURE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE DEMO OF THE NORTH SECTION OF CRD AND IS ALSO IN PROGRESS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, FAIRLY CLOSE TO, UH, THE FOUNDATION AS WELL.

AND ONCE THAT BUILDING IS DOWN AND CLEAR, WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE OUR TRANSACTION WITH DOGTOWN.

SO, UH, WE'RE ALSO MAKING PROGRESS THERE.

UH, WE RECEIVED AN ESTIMATE FROM LWCC THE ARCHITECT WHO WE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE US, UH, UH, UH, A CONCEPT ON THE REHABILITATION OF CR DAYTON.

THE ESTIMATED REHAB ON THAT PROJECT IS $2 MILLION.

AND THE ESTIMATED SCHEDULE FOR THAT REHAB IS APPROXIMATELY 14 MONTHS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, WE ARE WAITING ON FINAL ESTIMATES

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UH, I'VE ALSO ASKED THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO BEGIN TO PREPARE A CONCEPT FOR FINANCING AND FUNDING, THOSE, UH, REHABILITATION OF THAT PROPOSED REHABILITATION.

AND ONCE WE GET ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, WITH A WORK SESSION ITEM TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU'D LIKE TO DO.

THE THING IS THAT FOR THE FACADE.

YES, MA'AM OKAY.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING BEYOND THE FACADE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S THE RESURFACING OF THE PARKING, THERE'S SOME READ RATING AND SOME OTHER MINOR ISSUES, BUT YES THEY ARE.

THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IS DESIGNED TO REHABILITATE AND IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE.

AND I BELIEVE A MODIFICATION TO THAT CORNER UNIT.

I BELIEVE THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.

I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO CORRECT RICHARD, WHY I'M ON, UM, BRIAN, UH, IF THE, UH, IF AND WHEN THE LIBRARY DOES CLOSE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, UM, CAN WE COUNSEL GET AN EMAIL, UM, OR WE CAN MAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY FORWARD AND INKS THAT FIRST INITIAL START MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO.

AND THE QUESTIONS.

ITEM THREE IN WHICH HE WRITES POLLING LOCATIONS, TONY.

THANKS FOR THE UPDATE.

BRIAN.

NEXT IS

[ Huber Heights Polling Locations]

OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT WERE IN PROXIMITY TO THE MIAMI COUNTY PART OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.

I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THIS ISSUE SINCE IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST TIME AND WHERE YOU RECENTLY HAD THE PRESENTATION BY MR. RAZORBACK, UH, FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

UM, COUNCIL MAY RECALL THE REQUEST WAS TO TRY TO SEEK TO, UH, MOVE POLLING LOCATIONS THAT WERE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, TO WITHIN THE CITY, UH, TO MAKE THEM MORE ACCESSIBLE TO RESIDENTS OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.

UM, I THINK THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY ISSUES, UH, A LITTLE BIT EASIER, UH, RESOLUTION THAN THE ONE IN MIAMI COUNTY.

UM, I HAVE, UH, TOUCHED BASE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS AGAIN, SINCE MR. RAZORBACK WAS HERE.

UM, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW WHERE THEY'VE JUST FINALIZED THEIR PRECINCT BOUNDARIES, UM, WHICH WAS THE STEP THAT TAKES PLACE AFTER WE FINALIZED OUR WARD BOUNDARIES.

AND, UM, NOW THEY'RE MOVING ONTO THE STEP OF DEFINING THE LOCATION OF, UH, THE POLLING LOCATIONS WITHIN, UH, THE VARIOUS PRECINCTS OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

UM, THEY REAFFIRMED THEIR COMMITMENT TO, UH, SEEING THAT THE POLLING LOCATIONS ON A HARSHMAN ROAD THAT ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZED BY PRECINCTS WITHIN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO RELOCATING THOSE, UH, INTO, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS AS WE HAD REQUESTED.

UM, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN MIND.

UH, THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ISSUES IN DOING SO.

AND, UH, THEY WOULD EXPERIENCE SOME, UH, PROBLEMS, UH, LOCATING SOME, UH, LOCATIONS WITHIN, UH, THAT BASICALLY WARD FIVE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF WARD SIX, UH, THAT THEY WOULD, UM, COME BACK TO ME AND LET ME KNOW.

AND I TOLD THEM WE WOULD OFFER ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE HELPING IDENTIFY SOME POTENTIAL LOCATIONS.

UM, GENERALLY THEY NEED TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ADA ACCESSIBLE, UH, THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF PARKING AND THEN THERE'S SPACE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE POLLING LOCATIONS.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT ONE'S WELL UNDERWAY AND PROBABLY WILL BE RESOLVED TO OUR SATISFACTION, UM, IN MIAMI COUNTY.

THE ISSUE WAS THAT, UM, THE RESIDENTS AND THE MIAMI COUNTY PORTION OF HUBER HEIGHTS ARE VOTING AT A, UM, CHURCH, UH, TO THE NORTH.

I THINK IT'S IN WEST CHARLESTON, UM, THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE IS, UH, BETWEEN SEVERAL MILES TO EIGHT MILES AWAY FOR HEBREW HEIGHTS RESIDENTS TO VOTE.

UM, SO WE HAD HAD THESE SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ABOUT LOOKING AT LOCATIONS WITHIN, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS TO RELOCATE THESE POLLING LOCATIONS.

UM, I DID GET, UM, AN EMAIL BACK, WHICH I INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, UH, RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS FROM, UH, IAN RIDGEWAY.

WHO'S THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MIAMI COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS AND IS OVERSEEING THESE ISSUES.

UH, BASICALLY THE GIST OF THE EMAIL WAS THAT, UM, THEY'VE DECIDED TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES IN 2022 TO THE CURRENT POLLING LOCATIONS.

AND, UM, THEY DO HAVE A PLAN TO RELOCATE THE VOTING FOR THE HUBER HEIGHTS PRECINCTS IN MIAMI COUNTY FROM THIS CURRENT CHURCH, UH, TO THE LOCATION.

THAT'S, UH, WE'RE ABOUT THE LOCAL SCHOOLS AS WITH ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE TRAVEL DISTANCE, UH, BY ABOUT HALF, UH, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.

UH, BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE TIL THE GENERAL ELECTION OF 2023.

UM, AND IT STILL WOULDN'T BE WITHIN HUBER HEIGHTS.

UM, THEY DID, I DID DISCUSS WITH THEM THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH MR. RAZORBACK, THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO MAYBE FIND SOME LOCATIONS IN THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PART

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UM, THEY HAVE SINCE SOUGHT A LEGAL OPINION FROM THEIR PROSECUTOR AND FROM THE OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE AND BEEN TOLD THEY CANNOT LOCATE THEIR PULLING LOCATIONS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY JURISDICTION.

SO, UH, THEY SAID THAT THAT IS NOT AN OPTION TO DO, UM, CONTRARY TO WHAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY BELIEVED.

UM, SO, UM, THAT'S THE BEST THEY'RE WILLING TO OFFER.

THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, CHARLES HUBER ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS IN PROXIMITY TO CARRIAGE TRAILS.

UM, THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ADEQUATE PARKING AT THAT LOCATION, UH, TO SERVICE THE NUMBER OF VOTERS THAT ARE NOW IN THOSE PRECINCTS, WHICH HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR AREAS OF RAPID GROWTH.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE.

THEY SAID, IF WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY ANY LOCATION IN THE MIAMI COUNTY PART OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT WE'VE NOT THOUGHT THAT THEY HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF, UM, WE COULD BE WELCOME TO BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION, THEY WOULD CONSIDER IT.

BUT, UM, THEY'RE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT SCHOOL LOCATIONS AND SCHOOL LOCATIONS THAT MEET THOSE ADA REQUIREMENTS AND SPACE AND MARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THAT, BUT, UH, THERE'S, THERE WAS, UH, A FINALITY TO THAT, THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE REALLY NOT PLANNING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, THESE ARE THEIR PROPOSED CHANGES FOR 2023 THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME TIME TO IMPACT THE 20, 23 CHANGES OVER THE NEXT YEAR THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS, RICHARD, MARY I'M, I'M NOT QUITE CERTAIN THAT MR. RIDGEWAY, UM, PICKED UP WHAT WE WERE PUTTING DOWN.

UM, AND I REFER TO HIS EMAIL AND THE LAST COMMENTS FOR VOTERS WITH CONTINUED CONCERNS.

WE ALSO OFFER IN-PERSON EARLY VOTING AT OUR OFFICES, WHICH IS EVEN FURTHER AWAY.

YUP.

UM, SO I'M WITH THE INFORMATION THAT THE, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY DIRECTOR I'D STOOD IN FRONT OF US AND STATED, UM, WITH, WITH CONVERSATION THAT I'VE HAD, THAT I KNOW MR. ROGERS HAS HAD AS WELL.

THIS IS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD AND HEARD TO DATE.

UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LOCATIONS SUCH AS THE Y.

UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE IRON WORKERS, UH, FACILITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL CHURCHES THAT THAT'S BEEN PASSED ON TO, FOR SOME REASON, I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE PICKING UP WHAT WE'RE PUTTING DOWN AND MAYBE I'M WRONG.

MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE HAS GOT A DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT TO SIT HERE AND TELL US THAT THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO UNTIL 2023, I THINK IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

WELL, THE ISSUE IS THE CABINETS, THE COUNTY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, I, JERRY, DO YOU KNOW WHO THE PROSECUTOR IS ON THE COUNTY? DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE FROM MIAMI COUNTY, THE PROSECUTOR, THE ONES WHO HAVE GIVEN THIS LEGAL OPINION TO IAN, DO YOU HAVE I GET THE NAME? CAN YOU FIND OUT WHO GAVE THAT LEGAL OPINION? JERRY, CAN YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION TO FIND OUT, IS, IS THIS JUST AN EMAIL COMING FROM IAN SAYING, OH, WE CAN'T, OR IS THERE A LEGAL OPINION THAT YOU CAN GET THAT YOU CAN DISCUSS AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS JUST LIP SERVICE? OR IF THIS IS ACTUAL? UM, I MEAN, CAUSE THEIR, THEIR LAWYER SAYS NO, THEN I DON'T.

I MEAN, IT'S KINDA LIKE US, PEOPLE MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE HERE HE SAYS OF JERRY IS HE'S HURTING.

WHAT JERRY SAYS IS THE LAW.

MAYBE IF IT'S THE SAME WAY UP THERE, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WE HAVE.

SO, UM, HE INDICATED THEN I HAD ALSO SOUGHT AN OPINION FROM THE OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT.

WHAT'S A PROSECUTOR.

SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE HE, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE START RATHER THAN ARGUING OVER.

LIKE I PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT OPINION.

UM, AND TOO, IN THE EMAIL WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CHARLES HUMOROUS PARKING, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT PARKING THEY'RE REFERENCING COMPARED TO BROUGHT CHARLES.

HE WROTE THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

CAUSE THAT'S NOT MINE.

THAT'S NOT .

SO I, THAT, THAT WAS A CONFUSING BARK IN EACH OTHER.

WHY DISCUSS IT IF THE COUNTY LINE IS THE ISSUE SO WELL, UH, SCHOOLS, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION.

THAT'S JUST THE 20, 23.

THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM FAST.

I MEAN, MATH ON SCHOOLS AS A MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT YOU KNOW, SLOWLY, SLOWLY, 23 MONTHS AWAY IS.

SO, UM, SO IF YOU COULD FIND THAT OUT THEN JERRY, IF YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION AND FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY GET THAT OPINION OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, BEING TOLD SOMETHING TO MAKE US GO AWAY.

THE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE O WHICH IS THE 20, 22

[ 2022 Vice Mayor]

[02:55:01]

VICE MAYOR, UH, NOMINATIONS.

SO, UM, EACH YEAR COUNCIL PER THE CITY CHARTER, UH, SELECTS THE VICE MAYOR.

UH, THIS IS THAT AT THE FIRST REGULAR, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE YEAR, WHICH WILL BE ON MONDAY, JANUARY 10TH, THIS YEAR, UM, COUNCIL AND BUS, UH, SELECT A VICE MAYOR BY A VOTE OF NO LESS THAN FIVE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

AND, UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS ROUTINE BEFORE.

UM, TYPICALLY WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THAT COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT AT LEAST ALLOWING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO EITHER NOMINATE SOMEONE OR TO EXPRESS AN INTEREST THEMSELVES IN BEING CONSIDERED FOR VICE MAYOR.

AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO ON MONDAY AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS PUT A GENERIC MOTION ON THE AGENDA TO APPOINT THE VICE MAYOR FOR 2022.

AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AND MOTIONS COULD BE MADE UNTIL THE VICE MAYOR SELECTED THE AFFIRMATIVE OF FIVE.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO NOMINATIONS, IS THERE ANY NOMINATIONS TO ME? OKAY.

I LIKE TO NOMINATE MARK CAMPBELL.

MARK, IS IT IS THE VICE MAYOR POSITION, SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO FOR 2022? UM, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO KATE, BUT, UH, I WOULD PUT MY NAME OUT THERE AND HAVE IT.

LIKE YOU MARK ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

UH, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE A COUNCIL MEMBER, GLENN OTTO FOR VICE MAYOR, MARK ENGLAND, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.

NEXT.

SO YOU'RE NOT BOUND TO CONSIDER ONLY THOSE TWO, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST AND A WILLINGNESS TO, TO PURSUE THAT.

SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA AND COUNCIL CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON MONDAY AND MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT I DID VOTE NO AGAINST MYSELF PREVIOUSLY PROVIDES MIRRORS.

SO IF ANYBODY IS LOOKING TO USE A NOMINATION, I'LL TAKE ONE TOO.

APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S STILL VERY PAINFUL.

I'M STILL, STILL GOING TO TAKE THAT WITH ME.

SO, UH, NEXT UP THAT WOULD BE ITEM THREE P, WHICH IS BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.

[ Board and Commission Appointments * Military and Veterans Commission - Appointment]

UH, JUST ONE THIS EVENING.

UH, THIS IS A NEW APPOINTMENT TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO VACANCIES.

UH, THIS WAS THE ONLY APPLICANT WE HAD RECEIVED AND THE MOST RECENT POSTING.

UH, WE DID CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW WITH, UH, CITY STAFF.

UH, MR. GRIGGS, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION WAS ALSO, UH, INVOLVED IN THAT, UH, INTERVIEW SELECTION PROCESS.

AND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. ANTHONY WINDSOR, UH, TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION FOR A TERM ENDING DECEMBER 1ST, 2024.

THE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND, UH, WAS, UH, APPROVED BY THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT.

SO WE WOULD ASK COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE AND MAKING THIS APPOINTMENT ON MONDAY.

THE NEXT, THIS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS THE 2022 RULES OF COUNSELING.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

LET THEM FORWARD

[ 2022 Rules of Council]

NEXT IS ITEM THREE R WHICH HAS THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC RECORD TRAINING DESIGNEE.

UM, EACH YEAR COUNCIL ALSO, UH, LOOKS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY NEED OF UPDATES TO THE RULES OF COUNCIL AND THEN BY MOTION, UH, ADOPTS A NEW RULES OF COUNCIL OR THE SAME RULES OF COUNCIL, UH, WITHOUT CHANGE AS, UH, THE RULES FOR THE COMING YEAR.

UM, THE ONLY ONE ITEM THAT I HAD FOR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR A CHANGE WAS, UM, IN THE SECTION ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, IT DOES SPECIFY THE TIME IS 7:00 PM.

THERE WAS AGREEMENT TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR 2022 TO 6:00 PM.

UM, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND AT A MINIMUM THAT CHANGE BE MADE SURE I DID INCLUDE IN THE PACKET, THE CURRENT RULES OF COUNCIL TO SEE IF ANYONE WANTED TO MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS, UH, FOR ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE RULES.

BUT, UM, IF THERE WERE NONE, THEN IT WOULD BE, UH, REQUESTS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE WHAT THAT ONE AMENDMENT FOR WHAT THE TIME CHANGE, ANY QUESTIONS.

I MAY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, ANY CHANGES RECOMMENDED, AND I SHOULD MENTION COUNCIL CAN AMEND ITS RULES AT ANY TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO, UM, THIS ISN'T A ONE OFF THAT IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

WE'VE WE'VE CHANGED THE TIME.

SO, OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THAT ON TO THAT TIME CHANGE FOR RULES OF COUNCIL FOR 2020? OKAY.

AND

[ City Council - Public Records Training Designee]

PUBLIC RECORDS TRAINING AT LEAST ONCE, UH, PER TERM.

UM, UNDER THE OHIO PUBLIC RECORDS LAW, UM, ON ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE

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AND, UM, OR THEY CAN APPOINT A DESIGNATED TO ATTEND THAT TRAINING ON THEIR BEHALF STRICTLY I'VE BEEN THAT PERSON TO DO SO.

UM, I DO ATTEND THE TRAINING ANNUALLY.

SO, UM, JUST BY MAINTAINING THAT TRAINING, UM, IT, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL WHO HAVE MADE ME A DESIGNEE ON THEIR BEHALF.

UH, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T EXCLUDE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER FROM ATTENDING THE TRAINING ON THEIR OWN.

UH, WE JUST HAVE A DOUBLY COVERED IF, IF THEY DO ATTEND AND I ATTEND AS WELL.

SO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UM, MAKE THIS DESIGNATION FOR PUBLIC RECORDS TRAINING TO ME ON BEHALF OF A MIRROR GORE COUNCIL MEMBERS, NANCY BURRS, MARK CAMPBELL, KATHLEEN BAKER.

AND I NEED A KITCHEN.

WE WERE ALL BEGINNING A NEW TERM, UH, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE MEET THIS REQUIREMENT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS AUDITED AS WELL AS PART OF OUR PUBLIC RECORDS AUDIT AND OUR FINANCIAL AUDIT.

SO WE WOULD WANT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE AGAIN.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ON THAT LIST COULD NOT DO SO ON THEIR OWN BEHALF, BUT JUST A DOUBLE INSURANCE POLICY.

I'M ASSUMING NO OBJECTIONS IS ON THE MONDAY.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THIS WHOLE WEEK, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ON THIS.

WE GOT OUT OF THE LAST ONE TOO QUICK.

I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.

UM, DO WE NEED TO REVIEW, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE REVIEW SECTION OH, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT MEETINGS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S READING AS WE WANT IT TO, WE COULD DISCUSS IT AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IT REALLY LET YOURSELF, BUT WHEN THE PUBLIC AND PARTICIPATE.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC RECORDS TRAINING DOES.

WE'LL SEE THAT ON MONDAY AS

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WELL.

AND NEXT IS THREE S THE CITY CODE SUPPLEMENT EIGHT ADOPTING THIS ORDINANCE.