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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
UH, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE OCTOBER 20TH MEETING OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.AND TONY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLE? OKAY.
UM, MR. ELLIS HERE, MR. FANNON.
MR. HENDRIX EAR, MR. KITCHEN HERE.
MR. OTTO, MR. RAMZI HERE, MR. WEBB HERE.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. OTTO MAY BE JOINING US A LITTLE LATER, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM SO WE CAN PROCEED.
UM, AND I SEEM TO HAVE WALKED OFF WITHOUT MY AGENDA, SO, OH, THANK YOU.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
OKAY.THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
UH, THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN CIRCULATED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND UNLESS THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UH, THE MINUTES WILL SPANNED APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
SEEING NONE, THE MINUTES WILL BE ADOPTED AS PRESENTED.
[ Legislation Worksheets Review]
MOVING ON TO TOPICS OF DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, THE FIRST IS LEGISLATION WORKSHEET REVIEW, UH, AS WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE WIRE HERE, UM, I WENT BACK THROUGH AND I THINK THERE, UH, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S STILL AN OPEN ITEM, 5 0 9 0.08.IT'S LISTED ON HERE AS CITY STAFF REVIEW.
BUT I THINK WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WERE GOING TO KICK IT BACK TO THE CITY FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
YEAH, SECTION 5 0 9 0.08, DISTURBING THE PEACE.
UM, THAT WAS THE ITEM WHERE, UH, INITIALLY, UH, THE CITY ENGINEER HAD SUGGESTED SOME REVISIONS TO THE SECTION.
UH, AND I HAD BROUGHT THOSE FORTH TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME, UH, BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THOSE, TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION WORK, TO TAKE PLACE WITHOUT SPECIAL APPROVAL.
THE CITY ENGINEER ON SATURDAYS, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THIS TOPIC AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, WHERE, UH, RESIDENTS SPOKE, UH, AGAINST THESE, UH, CHANGES AND, UH, EXPRESS SOME DISSATISFACTION WITH EVEN HOW THE CURRENT STATUS OF THIS WAS BEING IMPLEMENTED BY THE CITY.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE MEETING THAT I WAS NOT AT, UH, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO, UH, GO BACK AND LOOK AT FIVE AND ON OH EIGHT AND HAD RESCINDED THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO MAKE A CHANGE AND TO JUST LEAVE IT ON CHANGED.
AND, UH, UH, THAT WAS, UH, THE, THE STATUS OF THAT ITEM.
SO I HAVE HAD SOME SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT THAT.
UM, THEY STILL DESIRE THE CHANGE I'VE, UH, LET THEM KNOW, UH, WHAT THE COMMISSION'S POSITION HAS BEEN ON THIS ISSUE.
AND, UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'LL LET IT BE WHERE IT IS.
UH, CERTAINLY THE CITY STAFF COULD MAKE A PROPOSAL TO, UH, AT ANY TIME TO BRING A CHANGE TO THE CITY CODE, UH, BEFORE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE THEIR OPTION OR ALTERNATIVE, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
SHOULD THEY STILL WISH TO PURSUE THIS CHANGE, UM, WITH THE STATUS OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM? SO I, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS BODY, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT, THAT IS NOW A CLOSED ISSUE.
UH, THEN I THINK THE NEXT OPEN ITEM WAS SECTION 1180 9.091, UH, THAT DEALT WITH THE, UH, SIGNAGE, UH, FOR PROPERTY OFFERED FOR RENT OR FOR SALE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM BOTH THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE CITY LAW DIRECTOR YOU WANT TO UPDATE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SIGNS FOR PROPERTY OFFERED FOR SALE ARE RAN.
AND I THINK THE COMMISSION'S, UH, DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS HAD TO DO MORE WITH THE, UH, THE LOOK OR APPEARANCE OR THE STATE OF REPAIR OR DISREPAIR OF, UH, THESE PARTICULAR TYPES OF SIGNS AND HOW THEY'RE BEING ADDRESSED.
UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR HAD WROTE BACK, AND THIS ONE'S BEEN BACK A FEW TIMES.
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ALL DIRECTOR SAID PROPERLY AMENDING THE SIGN CODE WILL TAKE TIME.I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT 1180 9.091 NEEDS A REVIEW.
I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO CHANGE IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE COMMISSION MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT 1180 9.091 BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ELIMINATION OR CLARIFICATION.
UH, SO HE WAS KIND OF SAYING YOU COULD, AND, AND THE VEIN OF HIS STATEMENT IS, AND I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE TO THE COMMISSION, ANY CHANGES TO PART 11, WHICH IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE, WHICH THIS PARTICULAR SECTION FALLS IN, UH, ALSO REQUIRE ACTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, BEFORE COUNCIL APPROVAL IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR CHANGES TO THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE.
SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL STEP INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO DEFINE A WAY TO MAKE, TO EFFECT A CHANGE, NOT JUST SAY THAT WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE CURRENT STATUS OF THAT SECTION, AS IT IS STATED IN THE CODE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN THROUGH A PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN, UH, JUST LATE TODAY OR EARLY TODAY, I GUESS IT WAS, I RECEIVED A EMAIL, WHICH I FORWARDED, UH, FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UH, WHO WAS ALSO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, IN HIS NORMAL DAY JOB.
AND HE SAID, HIS OPINION IS THAT, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED.
HE FEELS THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUSINESSES, UH, AND FILLING RENTAL VACANCIES.
AND THE IDEA OF THE LOOK OR APPEARANCE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN, UH, PARAGRAPH TWO OF THE SECTION, WHICH STATES BE MAINTAIN A GOOD REPAIR AND APPEARANCES BY THE OWNER AT ALL TIMES, RATHER THAN, UH, BE CHANGED IN SOME OTHER WAY.
SO I THINK HE, WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING IS THAT'S MORE OF AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THAN A CODE CHANGE ISSUE.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK I HAD RECEIVED FROM CITY STAFF ON THAT SECTION.
UM, DON, THIS WAS ONE OF YOUR, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES.
SO I KIND OF WILL DEFER TO YOU AS TO HOW WE MIGHT WANT TO COME OUT OF TOWN, OUT OF THE COMMISSION TO COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WOULD, UM, I WOULD DEFER TO SCOTT ON THAT IF THAT'S HIS OPINION.
I THINK IT'S LARGELY AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
IF, IF THE SIGNS WERE MAINTAINED, I DON'T THINK COUNCILMAN MULATTO OR MYSELF WOULD HAVE SUCH A, UH, UM, A BEEF WITH THEM.
IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE LEFT TO ROT IN PLACE.
AND OVER TIME THEY BECOME A REAL LIFE WAR.
SO MAYBE I KIND OF AGREE WITH SCOTT.
IT DOES CALL FOR COUNSEL AND LEARN TO STEP UP AND SELL OUT SOME FORCES A LITTLE BETTER.
SO, YEAH, I, I'VE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO WE'LL, UH, LET IT GO AS IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION OF ANY CHANGES AND, UH, JUST, UH, UH, RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARE OF, OF THE CONDITION OF THE SIGNS AND LOOK TOWARDS MORE STRINGENT ENFORCEMENT OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.
THE NEXT TWO SECTIONS DEAL WITH OUR 1517, UH, UM, UH, SIX AND 15, 17 0 8, I BELIEVE, WHICH ARE IN THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.
UM, THIS ONE HAS ALSO BEEN BACK AND FORTH, UH, SEVERAL TIMES, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF INTERRELATED IS, UH, JIM JUST STATED, AND THAT, UH, I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS HOPING THAT CLARIFIED OR ADDRESSED, UM, IS IN A SIMILAR VEIN IN BOTH SECTIONS OF THE CODE, WHICH IS, UH, ABOUT NOTIFICATION OF A VIOLATION.
AND WHETHER THAT NOTIFICATION GOES TO THE TENANT AND, OR THE OUTER, OR JUST THE TENANT OR THE OWNER, UM, AND, UH, TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
SO, UM, PREVIOUSLY THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE LAW DIRECTOR ARE NOT RECOMMENDED ANY CHANGE, UH, TO EITHER OF THOSE SECTIONS.
UH, THE LAST MEETING, THE COMMISSION ASKS FOR SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION AND REVIEW ON THAT.
UM, ON, UH, OCTOBER 13TH, I FORWARDED A MEMO FROM FIRE CHIEF KNISELY ON THESE TWO SECTIONS, UH, WHERE HE OFFERED SOME, UH, LIKE A MEMORANDUM WITH HIS COMMENTS THAT WAS RATHER EXTENSIVE.
UM, SYNOPSIS OF HIS COMMENTS IS THAT HE BELIEVES THE FIRE DIVISION IS OPERATING
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IN A SPIRIT THAT FULFILLS THE COMMISSION'S DESIRES AND THAT HE STATES AGAIN, THAT THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT'S PRESENTLY IN THE HEBREW RIGHTS CITY CODE MIRRORS, THE OHIO REVISED CODE, AS FAR AS, UH, STATE FIRE CODES AND HAS WORKED WELL FOR THE CITY FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, UM, AFTER THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED.UM, JIM HAD RESPONDED TO THAT, UH, WAS SOME, UM, DETAILED COMMENTS OF HIS OWN.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THOSE JAMS OR MY CONCERN AND I, I APPRECIATED THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE ADDRESSED IN THE TWO EXAMPLES HE USED WERE BASICALLY SITUATIONS IN WHICH THE INSPECTOR WENT OUT AND THE INSPECTOR BY TALKING WITH THE PERSON, UH, PRESENT BE IT, UH, I THINK IN ONE CASE IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR IF IT WAS THE OWNER OR JUST, OR TENANT, THE SECOND CASE, HE DECIDED IT WAS A TENANT AND HE WAS ABLE TO GET IN THE INSPECTOR, WAS ABLE TO, UM, GET THE PROBLEM RESOLVED WITHOUT A FORMAL CITATION OR ANYTHING FORMALLY BEING FILED.
UM, MY CONCERN STEMS FROM THE FACT OR A SITUATION WHEREBY THAT DOES NOT WORK AND A CITATION HAS TO ACTUALLY BE ISSUED.
UM, AND ACCORDING TO THE, UH, OUR, UH, 15, 17 0 6 THAT NOTICE OF THE VIOLATION CAN GO TO THE OWNER OR THE OWNERS, UH, DULY AUTHORIZED, UH, AGENT OR THE OCCUPANT, OR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT CAUSING THE, UH, VIOLATION.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN THERE IS THAT SINCE UNDER 15, 17 0 2, THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTAINING, THE SAFE AND PROPER MAINTENANCE OF IT IS BUILDING AND STRUCTURE AT ALL TIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT THE OWNER SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF WHEN THERE'S A FORMAL COMPLAINT OF SOME SORT, EITHER THE NOTICE OR CITATION HAS BEEN FILED, UM, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE A, AN OUT-OF-STATE OWNER THAT MAY NEVER BECOME AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN HIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE HE'S NEVER GETTING HE, OR SHE'S NEVER BEEN GIVEN NOTIFICATION OF IT.
AND AGAIN, THE, THE, THE CODE GOES ON TO PROVIDE THAT IF THE FIRE CHIEF DETERMINES THAT THERE IS A VIOLATION, THE ABATEMENT, UH, CAN BE BY REPAIR AND REHABILITATION OR BY DEMOLITION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RADICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THAT AN OWNER BUILDING COULD BE TORN DOWN WITHOUT THE OWNER, NEVER, EVER BEING NOTIFIED.
THERE'S AN APPEAL PROVISION IN THERE, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THE CITATION, YOU'RE NEVER AWARE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO APPEAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I READ THE COMMENTS AND LIKE I SAY, BOTH OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY AS AN EXAMPLE BY CHIEF NICELY WERE SITUATIONS WHERE A FORMAL CITATION WAS NEVER REQUIRED.
THE INSPECTOR WAS ABLE TO GET IT RESOLVED, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THAT IS ALWAYS THE BEST WAY OF GETTING SOMETHING DONE.
SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION WITH THE CITY STAFF ATTEMPTING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
MY CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS IF EITHER YOU HAVE A TENANT THAT EITHER IGNORES OR, YOU KNOW, SAY THE, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE A SITUATION WHERE THE, UM, THE REMEDIATION OF THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE AND A TENANT MAY NOT HAVE ANY FINANCIAL JUSTIFICATION OR, YOU KNOW, REASON FOR DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND IF THE OWNER IS NEVER AS NOTIFIED NOW, YOU'VE GOT A CITATION ISSUE.
YOU GOT, UM, YOU GOT PENALTIES IN THE SECTION, UM, AGAINST THE, UH, UH, WHO AND IT'S, AND IT SAYS, WHOEVER VIOLATES THIS SECTION, WELL, UNDER 15, 17 0 2, THE OWNER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE.
SO COULD HE BE, YOU KNOW, COULD THE PENALTIES BE ASSESSED AGAINST HIM, UM, OR THE OWNER, HIM OR HER.
AND THEN ALSO, IF THERE WOULD BE A, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND RECTIFY THE PROBLEM, AND THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED TO THE CITY, THE CITY'S PROBABLY GOING TO PLAY SOME SORT OF A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THAT
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LEANER ASSESSMENT AND ALL THIS CAN BE DONE UNDER THE, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN WITHOUT THE OWNER EVER BEING NOTIFIED.NOW, YOU KNOW, UH, JERRY MCDONALD CITY LAW DIRECTOR BASICALLY SAID, NO, HERE'S YOURS.
AND WHILE I HOPE IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE IN THE CITY, I HATE HAVING A, UH, A STATUTORY SCHEME OF, UH, OF STRUCTURE THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE FIX.
ALL YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IS ADD THE WORD, OR, BUT IN 17, 15, 17 0 6, BETWEEN THE WORDS OWNER COMMON HAS DULY AUTHORIZED AGENT SAY, OR ON THE OCCUPANT AND, AND REMOVE THAT TO SAY.
AND SO THAT THE OWNER OR THE AUTHORIZED AGENT HAS ALWAYS GIVEN NOTIFICATION OF ANY FORMAL CITATION AND NOTICE IT'S GIVEN.
CAUSE I NOTICED ACCORDING TO THE SECTION THAT NOTICE INCLUDES A DEADLINE BY WHICH THE ABATEMENT OR WHATEVER THE FIX HAS TO TAKE PLACE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND HOW LONG THE, UH, THEY HAVE THE FIX IT.
WELL AGAIN, IF THE OWNER IS NOT MADE AWARE OF THAT, THEN THE OWNER'S NEVER GOING BE, YOU KNOW, HE'S COULD BE PUT INTO A BOX WHERE THE OWNER IS IN A SITUATION WHERE HIS PROPERTY IS BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED AND THE OWNER DOESN'T KNOW IT.
AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF I WAS A PROPERTY OWNER AND I HAD A TENANT THAT WAS IN THERE DOING THINGS THAT WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY CODE AS AN OWNER, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT.
AND THE ONLY WAY I MAY EVER KNOW THAT, ESPECIALLY IF I'M AN OUT OF STATE OWNER IS BECAUSE THE CITY NOTIFIED ME OF THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, UH, I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN ON MY SOAP BOX HERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE PAST, MY OPINION IS WE'VE BEEN LUCKY.
YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD STAFF AND THEY'VE DONE THE RIGHT THINGS.
BUT I THINK FROM A STATUTORY POINT OF VIEW, I THINK IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE LEFT UP TO THE CITY DOING THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY THAT THE CITY HAS TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
NOW HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I JUST WANTED TO GO, YOU KNOW, IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO FOLLOW WHAT CHIEF KNISELY AND WHAT JERRY SAYS IS, OKAY, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
BUT I WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AS SETTING FORTH MY OBJECTIONS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO, IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY OR IF WE JUST WANT TO DEFER TO, UM, ANY COMMENTS, BRIAN.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR OBJECTION.
I FEEL THAT THE, I FEEL THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE, ARE LIKE RENTAL UNIT OWNERS AND THAT THEY ARE POSSIBLY AWAY OR OUT OF STATE.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY TENANTS WHO ARE WILLING TO KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR OWN THING WITH THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT THE, I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY IS AWARE THAT THERE'S THE, IF A TENANT IS AWARE, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO'S GOING TO GET THE NOTICE THAT THAT WOULD CREATE A HAZARD.
UH, I FORGET IF YOU CALL IT A MORAL HAZARD OR MORAL HAZARD, IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD CREATE SOME KIND OF HAZARD THAT THEY WOULD REALIZE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE GETTING THE NOTICE AND THAT THEY CAN JUST KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
AND THEORETICALLY THEY COULD MOVE AFTER THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED OR AFTER SOMEBODY BECOMES AWARE OF IT, LIKE THE, THE OWNER THEY COULD MOVE AND THEN JUST DO IT AGAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, FOREVER.
I COULD CREATE SOMEWHERE WITH SOMEONE COULD GAME THE SYSTEM IF THEY REALLY WANT TO DO.
I WOULD JUST SAY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CLEAN IT UP.
UM, MAYBE THE CHIEF DOESN'T, UM, HE MAY NOT HAVE HEARD WHAT YOU HAD JUST SAID.
UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, SIMPLE WORD CHANGE HERE TO CLEAN THAT UP AND LOCK IT DOWN A LITTLE BETTER HIRE GRANTS.
UM, THE OWNERS SHOULD BE NOTIFIED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS I AGREE WITH, UH, RESTRUCTURING THAT TO EXPLAIN TO WHERE MORE PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE TENANT OR WHOEVER CAN REMEDY THAT.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE OWNER BEING NOTIFIED SIMPLY BECAUSE IN OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HEDGE FUNDS.
THERE'S A LOT OF LLCS THAT OWN PROPERTIES, AND I THINK IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AS WELL AS THE CITIES TO, TO CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK IT, BY CHANGING IT, YOU CAN CREATE MORE ACTION THAT THIS NEEDED TO REMEDY VERSUS FINE.
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I AGREE.SO, SO BASICALLY BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IN BOTH THOSE SECTIONS 15, 17 0 6 AND 15, 17 0 8, THAT AFTER THE WORDS UPON THE OWNER OR HIS DULY AUTHORIZED AGENT, THE WORD AND BE INSERTED AS OPPOSED TO, OR BEFORE THE OCCUPANT OR OTHER PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONDITION UNDER THE VIOLATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDED CHECK.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUES THAT WE HAD REMAINING OPEN ON THE, AS CORRECT.
AND SO MOVING ON THEN TO, IF I COULD JUST GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH SOME OF THE, UH, LEGISLATION, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY, AS I TOLD YOU, I WOULD START TO BE BRINGING THESE FORTH LEGISLATIVELY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, TWO MEETINGS AGO, I DID BRING, UH, THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, PART THREE, UH, WHICH IS THE TRAFFIC CODE AND PART SEVEN, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS REGULATION CODE, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, I FIGURED WE'D START THEM OFF WITH THE EASIER ONES AND, UH, WORK OUR WAY UP.
THERE WEREN'T AS MANY CHANGES.
AND A LOT OF THOSE WERE GRAMMATICAL TYPES OF THINGS AND, AND NOT HAVE A LOT OF IN-DEPTH SUBSTANCE.
UM, SO THOSE, UH, FOR BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS, THOSE WERE, UM, REVIEWED IN THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
UH, THEY HAD A FIRST READING OF THE LEGISLATION COUNCIL CHOSE BECAUSE THEY WERE MINOR CHANGES TO A WAVE, THE SECOND READING.
AND, UH, THOSE TWO SECTIONS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE ALL BEEN ADOPTED, UH, BY ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, WE'LL GO IN FACT, 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF ADOPTION.
UM, LAST EVENING, UM, AT THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION, I PRESENTED, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PART FIVE, UH, WHICH IS THE GENERAL OFFENSES CODE.
AND, UM, THE ONE RECOMMENDATION WE HAD HAD FOR THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE THAT HAD BEEN FINALIZED, WHICH IS THE, UH, THIRD ITEM BEYOND THE TWO THAT WERE JUST DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
AND, UM, COUNCIL'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PUT THOSE TO OUR FIRST READING ON MONDAY, WE WILL HAVE TWO READINGS OF THOSE ORDINANCES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MORE SUBSTANCE TO THEM WHEN ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, UM, MY, WITH THE DISCUSSIONS AND I HERE ON THE OTHER TWO ITEMS WITH THE FIRE CODE BY INTENTION WOULD BE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE ON THE FIRE PREVENTION KIND OF THEN WOULD BE TO BRING THOSE AMENDMENTS AS PART OF THAT, UM, THAT ORDINANCE, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL, PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE FOR PART 15.
SO, UH, THOSE, THOSE ARE ON TRACK.
AND THEN, UM, LOOKING AT THE LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR I'VE, UH, SCHEDULED THE REMAINING SECTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, PARTS ONE, UH, NINE, 11 AND 13 WOULD BE THE REMAINING ONES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE COUNSELING YET, BUT THEY'RE ALL, UM, ON THE CALENDAR TO, UH, BE BEFORE COUNCIL, BEFORE THE END OF COUNCIL'S BUSINESS AND THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE ACTED ON ALL OF THOSE.
AND THERE'LL BE AN EFFECT, UH, GOING INTO 22, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
NOW COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS THE OPTION TO CHANGE OR ALTER A MAN OR, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT, UH, SO FAR IN THE, UH, THE FOUR THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS TO ANY OF THOSE CHANGES.
AND THAT INCLUDED LAST NIGHT IN PART FIVE, THE, UH, OUTDOOR FEEDING OF ANIMALS AND, UH, THE NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE AROUND, UH, DANGEROUS AND, UH, VICIOUS DOGS AND DOG BITES.
SO, UH, UH, ALL OF THAT STUFF'S MOVING FORWARD, SO WE'RE ON TRACK TO DO SO, UM, IN, UH, OVER THE NEXT 60 DAYS OR SO.
[ Ordinance Review Commission Final Report/Presentation]
SO I THINK THAT, UH, UH, WE HAVE, WE NEED TO MAKE A FINAL REPORT AND PRESENTATION AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO COUNSEL THAT'S CORRECT.UM, I DID INCLUDE IN THE PACKET FOR TONIGHT THE, UH, REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION FOR THE CYCLE IN 2010 THROUGH 2011.
AND, UM, IT JUST, IT, IT'S NOT THAT
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IT HAS TO BE DONE THAT WAY.IT'S JUST A, UH, A STARTING POINT FOR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW, UH, THIS COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ITS FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND A REPORT FOR THEM TO COUNCIL.
UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AT A MINIMUM WOULD INCLUDE, WOULD BE ALL OF THE WORKSHEETS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WILL BE UPDATED AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, TO THEIR FINAL FORM, UH, TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE THAT REALLY HAS THE BREAKDOWN.
UM, IF I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE FINAL REPORT FROM 2011, BUT, UH, KIND OF, UH, STARTED WITH SPELLING OUT, UH, THE FOUNDATION FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
UH, THEN IT TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE UNDERWENT, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, TO, TO REVIEW THOSE ITEMS. UM, IT TALKED ABOUT, UH, ALL THE SECTIONS AND ITEMS THAT WERE REVIEWED AND THE NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS BY SECTION THERE'S SOME STATISTICAL INFORMATION IN THAT REPORT.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS SOME, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS REPORT, SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS IS KIND OF THE SECTION WHERE MAYBE THE COMMISSION COULD OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT FOR A FUTURE COMMISSION, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK? WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN DIFFERENTLY, UH, WITH ANY TYPE OF SUPPORT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, HAVE BEEN MATERIALLY HELPFUL TO THE PROCESS, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT SECTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD, UM, CONTRIBUTED, UM, TO THE PROCESS, UH, BEYOND THE COMMISSION AND THEN ALL OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION SHEETS WERE ATTACHED.
I ALSO INCLUDED, UM, A POWERPOINT THAT WAS DONE AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS BASICALLY A BOLDING OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE FINAL REPORT THAT THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY CAME AND PRESENTED, UH, AT A COUNCIL MEETING TO COUNCIL TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE REPORT AND ITS FINDINGS WHEN THEY PRESENTED THAT FINAL REPORT.
SO, AS I RECALL, UH, 10 YEARS AGO, UM, WHEN ANTS WAS THE CHAIRPERSON, UM, WE KIND OF GATHERED SOME INPUT FROM ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION OF THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE REPORT, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS THAT INDIVIDUALS MIGHT HAVE, THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL REPORT WITH THE SANCTIONING OF THE REST OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AND THEN, UH, I HAD WORKED WITH THE CHAIRPERSON TO, UH, HELP DRAFT AND, AND, UH, FINALIZE THAT REPORT.
AND ONCE I WAS COMPLETED, WE, UH, SCHEDULE IT FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR PRESENTATION.
I BRIEFLY LOOKED OVER THE REPORT FROM THAT TIMEFRAME AND, AND I I'D LIKED THE FORMAT PERSONALLY.
AND I THOUGHT, UH, AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IN 2010 AND 11, I THOUGHT AND DID A VERY GOOD JOB AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AND PRESENTING THAT TO COUNCIL.
AND I WOULD, UH, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HAVE EVERYBODY'S INPUT INTO WHAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT REPORT, LOOK WHAT THE WORKSHEETS THAT WE DID, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COVERED A LOT OF MATERIAL OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS WERE PROBABLY MORE, UH, CLOSER TO SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS OPPOSED TO OTHERS.
AND SO WHEN WE POINT OUT THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF THE THINGS THAT WE ACCOMPLISHED TO COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS IN THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OR THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDED CHANGE THAT WE PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, BEING BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERYBODY, IF THERE'S ANY INPUT, YOU HAVE, MAKE SURE YOU GET IT TO TONY AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO SYNTHESIZE IT ALL TOGETHER AND PUT IT TOGETHER.
WE COULD MAYBE SET A GOAL OF THAT BY LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE A WEEK, UH, TO GET THAT TO ME, UM, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER, I KNOW THAT JUST FOR ME BEING THE KIND OF GO-BETWEEN, UH, BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE MEMBERS OF STAFF, UM, AND I THINK I EVEN SAID THIS THE LAST TIME AROUND, BASED ON EXPERIENCE, BUT TO ME, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY HELPFUL IS HAVING A GREATER COMMITMENT BY THE STAFF MEMBERS TO, UH, BEING PHYSICALLY PRESENT HERE FOR SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS ON THE RELEVANT SECTIONS THAT
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THEY OVERSEE, UM, HAVING THOSE EXCHANGES WITH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE STAFF MEMBERS DIRECTLY, UH, BECAUSE JUST AS JIM ARTICULATED TONIGHT ON SOME OF HIS SECTIONS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF, YOU KNOW, IN THE MINUTES OR, UH, IN OTHER WAYS, MY CONVEYING IT THROUGH AN EMAIL OR EVEN THROUGH THESE LEGISLATION WORKSHEETS, UM, IT HAS THE SAME EFFECT OF MAYBE CONVEYING AND UNDERSTANDING AND SUCH.AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SPENT GOING BACK AND FORTH AND PLAYING TELEPHONE ON THESE ITEMS WHEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT PERSON PRESENT.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH OF A COMMITMENT TO ASK SOMEONE TO BE HERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS ON THEIR RESPECTIVE SECTION.
UM, WE, WE ASKED AND INVITED, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DIRECT THOSE STAFF MEMBERS TO, TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO THIS PROCESS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, HUGELY BENEFICIAL, BOTH IN TIMELINESS OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
UM, AS WELL AS JUST THE DIRECTNESS OF THE COMMUNICATION, THE NEXT TIME THEY SHOULD GIVE THE COMMISSION SUBPOENA POWERS AND WE CAN ISSUE THEM.
I, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, I THINK, HELPFUL TO HAVE MORE INTERACTION WITH STAFF.
AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM STEMS FROM WE'VE BECOME SUCH A TECHNOLOGICAL SOCIETY, THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE DEALING VIA EMAIL AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FACE-TO-FACE COMMUNICATION HAS SOMEWHAT GONE, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR.
IT'S KIND OF GONE BY THE WAYSIDE.
AND SO MAYBE THE NEXT GO ROUND, UH, UH, THERE WILL BE MORE OF A, UH, INVOLVEMENT FROM STAFF.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE, IT COULD HAVE SPEEDED UP THINGS.
WE COULD GOT, GOTTEN SOME THINGS RESOLVED QUICKER.
UM, THEN WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENED, I'LL IN MY FILES FOR THE NEXT PERSON.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND I'M GOING TO GET, I WANT EVERYBODY TO, YOU KNOW, ANY FINAL COMMENTS, CAUSE THIS IS OUR LAST FORMAL MEETING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING.
UH, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY ON, ON THE COMMISSION FOR ALL THE INPUT AND EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE WORK THEY PUT IN AND TONY, ESPECIALLY YOU, UM, YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS ARE FANTASTIC.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY THAT ISN'T MAKING MY JOB A WHOLE LOT EASIER, UH, THAN IT OTHERWISE WOULD'VE BEEN.
UM, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I SAY ENOUGH, PRAVO SEE YOU FOR WHAT YOU HELPED US APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND CAUSE WHAT DO YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FROM 1981 THROUGH 2021, UM, THAT'S A LOT OF LEGISLATION AND TO GET THROUGH THAT IN A YEAR'S TIME IS, IS PRETTY AMAZING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY.
AND LIKE I SAY, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS, THEY WOULD WANT TO MAKE THE, UH, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR AT THIS POINT.
UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IN OUR TIME CAPSULE FOR THE COMMISSION 10 YEARS FROM NOW, TONY, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE A DIRECTIVE.
THIS COMMISSION SHOULD GIVE A DIRECTIVE TO THAT CITY MANAGER OF THE TIME THAT THOSE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS BE DIRECTED TO ATTEND THE COMMISSION SESSIONS THAT ARE PERTINENT TO THEIR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO COME AS A FIRM RECOMMENDATION FROM US BECAUSE IT WOULD, AS JIM SAID, WANT TO SAVE THIS TIME, UM, IT WOULD SAVED, UM, YOU THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
AND I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR US AS A COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO SIT HERE AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY AND GET IMMEDIATE ANSWERS, WHICH OF COURSE SPARKS MORE QUESTIONS AND ALLOWS US TO DO A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE INTO SOME OF THE THINGS WE TOUCHED ON.
SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT THAT IN OUR PACKET FOR A, WHAT WILL THAT BE? 20, THERE'LL BE A 20, UH, I GUESS 20, 30 AND 31.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THEY EVEN SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
HUH? WELL, FELLOWS CHAIRS THAT ACCOUNT, BUT NONETHELESS, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THEM IN THE PACKET TO MAKE SURE CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INVIOLABLE.
AND, UH, SECOND THING I WILL SAY TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS THAT, UH, JIM YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT WITH TONY, UH, JOB YOU'VE DONE IS AMAZING.
UH, OUR COMMISSION WORK MAY BE DOWN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT TONY READS EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS
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RIGHT DOWN TO THE WORD, DELETING AN S FROM THE WORD, WHATEVER AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS SO THAT ALL OF COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.SO AGAIN, TONY, UM, THANK YOU.
AND I KNOW YOUR WORK'S NOT DONE FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW, BUT, UH, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF IT.
AND AGAIN, THANKS TO EVERYONE ELSE FOR PUTTING IN THE TIME IT'S BEEN, UH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK, RIGHT? OKAY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE COMMITMENT THAT YOU'VE TAKEN FROM YOUR PERSONAL LIVES TO DO THIS IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO.
UM, ONE THING THAT, THAT I FELT, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT ORDINANCES AND CODES AND I NEVER KNEW IT WAS THIS COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, AND BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEN SEEING WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS SIDE, I DO AGREE WITH, AND I WANT TO ECHO WITH WHAT BOTH, YOU SAID JIM, AND YOU DAWN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF A STAFF IS ENFORCING, ENFORCING THE ORDINANCES AND THE CODES, I THINK THAT THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS SHOULD BE PRESENT BECAUSE ALL WE ARE IN THIS POSITIONS OF BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE CONSTITUENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
SO, I MEAN, BY KNOWING THAT IT WOULD, IT'LL HELP US BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, INTERPRET THEIR NEEDS, AS WELL AS SEEING WHAT A NORMAL PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO RESPOND TO IT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST THINK, AGAIN, IT WOULD SAVE TIME IT'D BE EFFICIENT.
IT WOULD JUST MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN CLOSING, I THOUGHT I WAS GOOD AT PAPERWORK UNTIL I MET TONY HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE TONY NOW? UM, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE TO THAT KAREN POWELL, MY DEPUTY CLERK, UH, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THE MINUTES.
UH, YOU KNOW, DURING THIS PROCESS I DID THE WORKSHEET, SHE DID THE MINUTES PART.
SO SHE WAS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EFFORT AS WELL.
SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS ISN'T AN EASY COMMISSION TO RECRUIT PEOPLE FOR.
UM, THE ONE ASSET THAT IT DOES HAVE IN SOME PEOPLE'S MIND IS IT'S TIME LIMITED.
SO IT'S NOT A INDEFINITE COMMITMENT OR A THREE-YEAR OR FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT.
IT'S A, A ONE YEAR COMMITMENT, BUT IT TAKES A CERTAIN TYPE OF PERSON TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BE WILLING TO DELVE IN TO THESE VERY TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE CODE.
AND, UH, LIKE JERRY SAID, I THINK IT COULD BE A LEARNING PROCESS FOR THOSE INVOLVED AS WELL.
UM, DON AND JIM HAVE HAD GLENN I'VE HAD THE, UH, BENEFIT OF BEING ON COUNCIL AND SEEING HOW THE, IN THE INITIAL STAGES, THESE ORDINANCES ARE CREATED WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO YOU COME TO IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE, UH, FOUNDATIONAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT, UM, I'M SURE YOU STILL LEARN AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS EVEN AFTER HAVING PLAYED THAT ROLE.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE COMMITMENT FOR BEING PRESENT AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE QUORUMS TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS, UM, UH, DOING THE SPENDING THE TIME THAT'S INVOLVED.
CAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST COMMITTING TO COMING TO THIS MEETING, IT'S, UH, READING MY INCESSANT EMAILS AND THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE, UH, HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF THE CODE AND THE ORDINANCES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED.
SO I THINK, UM, THERE'S SOME GOOD WORD.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY CHANGES, I DON'T THINK THIS TIME AROUND, BUT THAT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE WORK THAT WAS DONE 10 YEARS AGO TOO.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE KEEP GETTING BETTER AS A CITY AT HOW WE ENACT ORDINANCES AND HOW THEY'RE VETTED IN THAT EARLY STAGES TOWARDS ADOPTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NEGATE THE, THE HUGE NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE WHEN IT GETS TO THIS, THIS PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING A PART OF THAT.
UM, WHEN WE DO HAVE THE FINAL, UH, PRESENTATION AND REPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S HISTORICALLY, UH, DONE SOMETHING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MEMBERS AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO, YOU KNOW, BE PRESENT FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
I THINK IT IS GOOD FOR COUNCIL TO SEE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BEHIND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, IF SOME OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME OF YOU MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL AND, UH, JIM AND I WILL WORK TO GET THAT TOGETHER.
UM, I WAS HOPING, UM, JUST LOOKING CALENDAR WISE, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT WE ONLY HAVE THREE MEETINGS LEFT FOR SCHEDULING THIS, UH, THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE NOVEMBER 8TH, NOVEMBER 22ND.
AND THEN THE FINAL MEETING, WHICH IS DECEMBER 13TH, WHICH IS USUALLY NOT THE BEST ONE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
BUT, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD TRY TO TARGET SHOOT FOR
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THE 22ND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY'S AVAILABILITY WOULD BE FOR THAT EVENING.UM, IT IS A MONDAY NIGHT AT SEVEN, 7:00 PM, BUT IF THAT WOULD WORK FOR EVERYBODY OR NEARLY EVERYBODY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST TARGET DAY FOR DEXA, BUT I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD KIND OF MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION OF NOVEMBER MM, OKAY.
AND, UM, YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO, UM, TAKE YOUR NAME PLATES HERE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE THE, UM, THE METAL STAND PART.
WE DO, YOU DO REUSE THOSE, BUT YOU CAN SLIDE OUT THE PLACARD AND, UM, TAKE IT AS A, UH, A MEMORY OF YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS.
AND, UH, I DO HAVE SOME, UH, 40TH ANNIVERSARY PLANTERS THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT AS PART OF THE, UH, CITY'S 40TH ANNIVERSARY AND TO EACH ONE OF THOSE IS, SHOULD PART AS WELL.
AND WE'RE ALWAYS HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO TO HELP ANY, UH, UL WITH ANYTHING, DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO ME.
UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS I CALL THIS MEETING AND THE, UH, COMMISSION AND IT'S JOB DONE AT 7:12 PM.