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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road September 28, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]
ACTING SECRETARY, CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.MS. THOMAS HERE IS FARGO HERE.
MR. WALTON, MAN HAS, UH, UM, ASKED TO BE EXCUSED TONIGHT.
YOU WANT US TO DO THAT? THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANY EMOTION RIGHT THERE.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OPENING REMARKS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS NOW IS THE TIME ANY OPENING REMARKS CONFIRM THE COMMISSIONER.
AND THIS IS ALSO THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NOT ON THE AGENDA.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND RESPOND.
I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING, DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD.
AND I ASK TONIGHT ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, OR PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PENDING BUSINESS.
AND TONIGHT WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
WE DO HAVE NEW BUSINESS AND ITEM A IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT REDWOOD LIVING IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR FIVE PORT FOR 5.4, ONE ACRES ON BUCKEYE DRIVE.
UH, SO THE FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS WITH DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR, UH, THE HARRISON APARTMENTS BY REDWOOD PHASE FOUR.
AND WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED UP.
THERE IS THIS LOCATION IT'S JUST UNDER FIVE AND A HALF ACRES.
THIS IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE FOURTH PHASE OF THE REDWOOD DEVELOPMENT STARTED FROM THE NORTH AND THEN, UH, PROGRESSED TO THE SOUTH ALONG, UH, RED BUCKEYE DRIVE.
UH, THE PREVIOUS SECTION PHASE THREE CAME, UH, BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND THEY HAVE NOW COMPLETED THE BUILD OUT OF THOSE BUILDINGS OR ARE CURRENTLY, UH, LEASING THOSE.
SO THIS HAS THE NEXT STEP IS MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASING THE NEXT PORTION OF THE LAND AND, UH, UH, DOING THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
SO DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHWEST IS THE, UH, THE REDWOOD DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE HARRISON PHASE THREE AND DIRECTLY TO THE EAST IS, UH, THE LEMON AND LEMON.
THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY THAT, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, WAS APPROVED, UH, ALSO SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SO THIS, UH, REQUEST, SO WE, THIS WORKS TONIGHT REAL SLOW.
UM, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR 36 NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS HOUSED IN 3, 4, 5 AND SIX UNIT BUILDINGS.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT BUILDINGS IN THIS PHASE.
THERE WILL BE EXTENSIONS OF WATER AND SEWER, UH, WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, ALONG THE, UH, PRIVATE STREET NETWORK.
AND THERE WILL NOT BE A NEW, UH, STREET ACCESS OUT TO RED BUCKEYE DRIVE.
SO THE ACCESS IS ONLY FROM THE INTERNAL PRIVATE STREET NETWORK FOR THIS PHASE ITSELF.
THERE ARE A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUNDS FOR A UTILITY VEHICLES AND, UH, TRASH VEHICLES, UH, WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, THIS DOES MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE FOURTH PHASE.
SO IT'S FOLLOWING ALL THE SAME PATTERNS.
SO IT'S THE SAME BUILDING STYLES AS BEFORE, UM, AND, UH, FOR, FOR THE BUILDINGS, WITH EACH UNIT, HAVING THE, UH, A DRIVEWAY AND A GARAGE, UH, LOCATED WITHIN EACH BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, SO A HEAVILY LANDSCAPED SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT HAS THE STREET TREES ALONG THE FRONT EDGE AND ALONG THOSE BUILDINGS, AND THEN ALSO ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE EXTERIOR OF THIS SITE, UM, IN BETWEEN THE, THIS AND
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THE NEIGHBORING SITE.AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A POND LOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH ITSELF, STORMWATER DETENTION THAT, UH, DOES, UH, COLLECT INTO A STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
AND WE'LL GO TO EXISTING DETENTION BASINS.
THERE'S NO NEED ON THIS ONE FOR NEW DETENTION BASINS ITSELF.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE HERE ON, UH, THE, UH, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, BUT, UH, THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS ARE, AS I MENTIONED THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS SECTIONS, IT'S A COMBINATION OF STONE AND VINYL FACADES THAT MATCH THOSE OF THE PREVIOUS PHASES.
UM, THE REQUIREMENT PER THE APPROVED BASIC DEVELOPED PLAN IS THAT 30% OF THE PRIMARY FACADE SHALL BE FINISHED WITH MASONRY PRODUCTS.
SO THAT STONE, UH, MEETS THIS, UH, THAT ITSELF.
SO, UM, EACH UNIT HAS A COVERED ENTRY ALL FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND AS I MENTIONED, EACH UNIT HAS ITS OWN GARAGE LOCATED AT THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THIS IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT DOES MEET ALL THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, THE FIT, UH, IF IT IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR, UH, FINAL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR PERMITS TO BE ABLE TO START.
SO MOVING DIRT QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONERS, UM, ARE THERE ANY PROPOSED WHOLE LIVES IN THE COMPLEX AND IF NOT DO, IS THERE ANY KIND OF LIGHTING, UM, IT'S THE SAME LIGHTING AS PREVIOUS SECTIONS AND, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT IT'S FOLLOWING THE SAME PATTERN AS THE PREVIOUS COUPLE OF TOP OF MY HEAD.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE JUST INDIVIDUAL LIGHTS AT EACH OF THE UNITS, INDIVIDUAL LIGHTS ON THE BUILDING.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM WHAT NOT? WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP, IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS.
MY NAME IS GREGORY THURMAN, T H U R M A N.
UH, I AM THE APPLICANT, UH, TONIGHT AND, UH, I REMEMBER, UM, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I MET SCOTT GETTING CERTIFICATES, ZONING CERTIFICATES FOR THE FIRST PHASE.
UM, I WAS HERE WHEN WE BROKE GROUND AND PROPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT BACK THEN WE'RE JUST WRAPPING UP A NICE LITTLE LOGICAL FIVE ACRE PIECE THAT, UM, COMPLETES THAT, UH, STREETSCAPE ALONG, UH, RED BUCKEYE DRIVE.
I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION IT'S COVERED ADEQUATELY.
I FEEL, UH, WITH SCOTT'S PRESENTATION HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND AS FAR AS LIGHTING, UH, WE HAVE COACH LIGHTS ON EACH UNIT ON EACH GARAGE AND THAT, THAT WILL PRODUCE NEARLY ZERO FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE WHEN IT'S FULLY LIT AT NIGHT.
UM, I HAVE JUST A CURIE CURIOSITY QUESTION IN THE DRAWINGS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE TWO CAR GARAGE AND THEN THE, THE, UM, PAD IN FRONT, THEIR DRIVE IN FRONT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST WIDE ENOUGH WITH THREE CARS.
IS THAT ACCURATE? UH, WELL, THE GARAGES THAT ARE CLOSELY, UM, DESIGNED TOGETHER, WE'LL JUST HAVE CONCRETE PAD IN BETWEEN THEM INSTEAD OF PUTTING, UM, MULCH OR, UM, STONE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY MEANT TO BE ANOTHER SPACE.
IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO BE ANOTHER SPACE.
BUT IF THE, WHAT I SAW WAS WHERE THE INLINE WITH THE FRONT DOOR, IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET AND THE DRAWING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I GOT MY, YEAH, THE DRIVEWAY IS BACK THERE FROM WHAT I SEEN, THEY DELETE, THEY ALL LOOK WIDER BECAUSE OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING WHEN THEY RUN THEM TOGETHER.
AND THERE'S NO DIVIDER BETWEEN THEM FIRST LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY ARE WIDER ON THE APPROACH SIDE FOR A WALK-UP AROUND THE SIDE OF A CAR.
THERE THEY'RE A LITTLE WIDER DRIVEWAY THAN A LOT OF WE USED TO BACK HERE THERE, THE BENEFIT OF STEPPING OUT, NOT
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NO GRASS.NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WISHES TO PAY? WE SPEAK ON THIS? I WILL ENTERTAIN.
ITEM B FAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT R A SMITH IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 1.15 ACRES AT 75 78 0 5 Z C 21 DASH 29.
ONCE AGAIN, TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE SLIDES TECHNOLOGY.
SO THIS CASE IS FOR 1.15 ACRES LOCATED ON OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS IS, UH, A PARCEL THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED OVERALL BROAD DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS, UM, A, ONE OF THE RETAIL PORTIONS, UM, AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE STREET NETWORK AND ALSO THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PARCEL THAT IS, UH, WAS ALSO APPROVED FROM THE PLAT.
THAT WAS A PART OF, FOR THAT LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, FOR THIS 1.15 ACRES FOR A NEW DISCOUNT TIRE FACILITY.
THIS PARCEL IS THE SECOND PARCEL IN TO THE NORTH FRONTING OUT ON OLD TROY PIKE, THE PLANT ITSELF.
UM, AND THIS IS A, AN A, A PLANNED, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS USE FOR A COMMERCIAL TYPE USE FOR THE SALE OF TIRES AND THE INSTALLATION IS AN APPROVED USE.
UH, SO THE SITE ITSELF HAS MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS.
THERE ARE TWO AREAS ON EITHER SIDE THAT HAVE THE DIRECT ACCESS ON OLD TROY PIKE.
THOSE BOTH HAVE LIMITED ACCESS, SO IT'S NOT FULL ACCESS.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, RIGHT OR LEFT IN, BUT ONLY RIGHT OUT.
AND THEN AT THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE MAIN ACCESS DRIVE THAT, UH, GOES THROUGH THE, UH, THE WHOLE, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT LEADS OUT TO THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO THE NORTH, AND THEN ALSO DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO, UH, THIS DOES HAVE THOSE, UH, MULTI POINTS OF ACCESS.
UH, THIS DOES HAVE ALSO AS WELL, UH, UTILITY CONNECTIONS INTO THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, AND THEN STORM WATER DRAINAGE IS HANDLED AT THE EXISTING RETENTION POND.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE DRAINAGE FLOW WILL GO THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, STORM WATER, UH, SYSTEM ITSELF.
SO THE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS FOR A NEW TIRE STORE.
THE SITE ITSELF IS FOR, UH, THE, THE BUILDING ON THE SITE AND THE DUMPSTER LOCATION IS LOCATED TO THE REAR.
THE DUMPSTER WILL BE ENCLOSED BY MASONRY MATERIALS THAT DO MATCH THAT OF THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED BUILDING, AND WE'LL HAVE GATES ON IT.
SO THIS DOES MEET OUR STANDARD CITY CODE, UH, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AT THE SITE THAT, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UH, A WELL LANDSCAPED SITE, A LOT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND THE, THE DUMPSTER AREA AND THE BACK FOR, UH, THAT, UH, BUFFERING, UM, IN THE AISLES, IN THE APARTMENT PARKING LOT, AND THEN STREET TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
ONE THING OF NOTE IS THAT SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST OF ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS ROW, IT'S, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THESE ARE THE TREES THAT, UH, LOCATED ALONG OLD TROY PIKE, THAT AREN'T
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WILL NOW BE REQUIRED FOR ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT WE HAVE A MATCHING CONSISTENT SKATE THROUGH THERE.UH, SO THAT, UH, EACH DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UH, ALONG THERE.
SO THAT'S, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR MOVING FORWARD ON THE NEXT DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ALONG WITH THE STREET TREES ITSELF AND THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING IS MADE UP OF SPLIT-FACE CMU AND THE ALUMINUM BORDER WINDOW WALLS, UH, ALSO METAL AWNINGS AND ALUMINUM STOREFRONT.
THERE'S A GOOD MIX OF COLORS AND DEPTH TO THE BUILDING.
THE TOTAL BUILDING HEIGHT IS 26 FEET.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WILL HAVE THAT SAME, UH, STANDARD, UM, WITH THE, UH, THE MATERIALS AND COLOR AS WELL.
THE, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF SITS BACK 90 FEET FROM THE OLD TROY PIKE RIGHT AWAY.
AND, UH, THIS BUILDING IS SURROUNDED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL USES.
SO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN, UH, LOTS NEXT TO IT BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL NEXT TO COMMERCIAL ITSELF.
SO THIS FITS IN WITHIN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE PARKING AREA, UM, IS PROPOSED TO BE 14 OR 16.2 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE PARKING ITSELF, UM, IS, UH, THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR THIS TYPE OF USE IS, UH, TWO SPACES FOR EVERY SERVICE BAY PLUS ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 400 SQUARE FEET OF SALES AREA BY CODE 16 SPACES WILL BE REQUIRED.
THEY ARE PROPOSING 39 PARKING SPACES.
I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND THE FIRST THOUGHT IS, WOW, THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT COMPARATIVELY, BUT THEN I'M GONNA LOOK AT OUR CODE.
AND IT SEEMS TYPICALLY I'M ONE TO SAY, I THINK OUR CODE IS REQUIRES TOO MANY SPACES IN A LOT OF CASES, BUT ON THIS, UM, FOR THERE, THERE MAY BE TIMES WHEN THERE'S STAFF, UM, THAT'S AT THE SITE, PLUS THERE COULD BE SIX, EIGHT PEOPLE COMING IN AT A TIME INTO THE SHOWROOM LOOKING FOR THINGS.
SO, UM, THERE'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT I THINK IS REASONABLE.
UM, I THINK, UH, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT FOR THIS, AND I HOPE THIS WORKS ASKED IF THEY COULD BE, UM, ONLINE.
SO, UH, THEY ARE, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, SIGNED INTO THE TEAMS MEETING.
UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN AWHILE, SO WE'RE HOPING THIS WORKS, THAT THEY CAN MAYBE EXPLAIN WHY THEY WOULD WANT, UH, 39 SPACES, UH, WITH, UH, UH, ONLY 16 BE REQUIRED.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, ALL THE UTILITIES ARE THERE SIGNAGE, THERE ARE THREE WALL SIGNS FOR POSED ON THE BUILDING.
THESE, UH, ARE TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH FACES.
AND, UH, OUR STANDARD CODE IS THE TOTAL SIGN AREA OF ALL THREE SIGNS SHALL NOT EXCEED 150 SQUARE FEET TOTAL BETWEEN, UH, THEIR PLANS DID NOT SHOW THE EXACT DIMENSIONS OF THOSE, BUT IF IT FITS WITHIN THAT, SO REQUIREMENTS, UM, I FEEL THAT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, CAN BE, UH, UH, APPROVED THROUGH THIS, OR THEY COULD COME BACK AT A LATER DATE IF THEY'RE NOT READY FOR THAT BROWN SIGN, THERE'S NOT A GROUND SIGN PROPOSED IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED THAT THAT WILL BE A MASTER SIGN FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WILL BE ON, UM, FOR ANY OF THE USERS WITHIN THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, WE'LL HOPE THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS.
UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MISHA, ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PAUL CAL STATE.
I MEAN, MY ONLY QUESTION IS AROUND THE PARKING AS WELL.
YOU SAID THERE'S A NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU THINK IS REASONABLE AND PROBABLY BEST TO JUST WAIT UNTIL WE TALK WITH THEM.
UM, IN MY PACKET, I DID NOT RECEIVE PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME IF IT IS A METAL BUILDING? UM, THERE, THERE ARE ALUMINUM PARTS TO IT, BUT OVERALL IT IS A MASONRY BUILDING.
AND I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT IN THAT HIGH VISIBILITY AREA OF HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE NO METAL BUILDINGS.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE CHARACTER WHO REMINDS WITH OUR BRICK.
AND IS THAT A POSSIBILITY THAT PART? SO THE MAJORITY IS THE, UH,
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CONCRETE UNIT IT'S, UH, THAT, UH, AND YOU SEE THE MULTIPLE COLORS ON THERE, THE ALUMINUM BORDER WINDOW WALLS.SO THAT'S JUST AT THE FRONT EDGE, UM, JUST WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE IN THAT AREAS.
THE ONLY PART THAT'S THE ALUMINUM PORTION, THE REST OF THE BUILDING ALL AROUND, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE, UH, COLUMN, THE OVERHEAD DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS ALL MASONRY.
WILL YOU REQUEST BRICK? WE CAN REQUEST IT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS? YEAH.
I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH BRICK, IF IT FITS.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE A COST QUESTION FROM THEIR SIDE.
AND THEN AGAIN, HOW MUCH BRICK ARE WE GOING TO REQUEST? HOW MUCH OF THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE BRICK REQUEST VERSUS THE MASONARY REQUEST.
PLUS THE DON'T WE OPEN THE DOOR, THEN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE ASKED THE SAME THING.
IF WE DO THAT ON THAT PORTION OF OLD TO FIVE, I WOULD, MY BROTHERS WOULD BE, YES, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE TO SEE IF I'M STANDING OUT THERE BY MYSELF.
WHEN YOU SAY THE MASONRY PRODUCTS, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING BRICK AND STONE, WHEN YOU SAY MASONRY SCOTT WOOD.
SO WE LOOKING AT LIKE THE SORTA HARDY LOOK.
SO WHAT WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THE, UM, CONCRETE BLOCK UNITS CMUS SO, UM, A REQUEST COULD BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BRICK UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.
UM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A 100% BRICK BUILDING, BUT ADD BRICK TO THIS FACADE IN SOME WAY, LIKE WE'VE DONE ON THE HOUSES.
WE CAN CONTINUE THIS, THIS DISCUSSION, BUT RIGHT NOW, AS THE APPLICANT HERE, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS, YOUR HONOR, OR ONLINE? LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS DOOR.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIT OR TO BREAK AND CHAIRS THERE FOR YOU? SO THAT'S UP THERE TOO.
CAN YOU TRY TO SPEAK AGAIN? LET'S TRY SOMETHING HERE.
WELL, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ALL OF US? UM, I, UH, VAGUELY.
SO MY NAME IS
UM, WAS THERE A QUESTION THAT I COULD ANSWER THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS TECHNOLOGY WHEN IT WORKS OR DRIVE? OKAY.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST QUESTION IS REGARDING THE, UH, THE MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS, UH, OH, WELL, THAT'S ONE, THERE'S TWO MAIN QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT THE MATERIALS.
UM, MS. VARGO BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, THE ADDITION OF SOME, A BRICK TO THE FACADE IN SOME WAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WORK INTO THE FACADE, UM, ON, UH, UH, AT LEAST THE, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF THE SIDES.
OH, WAIT, OUR BUILDING IS ACTUALLY ALL MASONRY BUILT.
EVEN THE, UH, EVEN THE DECORATIVE METAL, A LITTLE COUPON THAT COMES UP, THE BUILDING ARE CONSTRUCTED OVER MASONRY.
UH, IT'S GIVING THEM BUILDING A SIDE, A MORE MODERN LOOK ON THE FRONT SIDE, FACING THE ROAD.
AND THEN THE FIVE THAT REAR THE BUILDING ARE ACTUALLY IN A SPLIT-FACE, UH, BACKWARD, UH, MASONRY UNIT.
OH, IT'S NOT A CONCRETE BLOCK, I GUESS WE'LL SAY IT'S A, IT'S GOT A DECORATIVE FINISH TO IT.
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NO, WE, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY, UH, ANY ACTUAL CLAY MATERIALS OR PLAY BRICK MATERIAL FROM THIS BUILDING.UM, THIS IS A VERY MODERN, AND THIS IS A VERY NEW, UH, A NEW PROTOTYPE FOR DISCOUNT TIRE.
UM, AND, UH, THERE, I GUESS, A MUCH MORE MODERN LOOK IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY BUILT TO THE PATH, WHICH IS THIS WILL BE A CORPORATE CORPORATE BUILT ON BUILDING.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S ABOUT A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IN THE COUNTRY THAT ARE GOING TO BE ROLLED OUT.
IS THIS NEW MODERN, UH, MODERN LOOK SO QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OLD PROVISIONAL ONES, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM? I THINK MY BIG ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE, HOW IT LOOKS IN THE BEGINNING, BUT OVER THE YEARS, LET'S SAY 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IF YOU HAVE METAL OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT GET RUSTY OR DETERIORATED, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT AND THAT AREA OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING THAT BRICK OR MASONRY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? WELL, THE L THE LUCA UPON PANEL THEY'RE BEING USED ARE, UH, ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT LIKE A METAL I'VE BEEN BUILDING, LIKE WITH A METAL MATERIAL THAT YOU MIGHT BUY AT YOUR LOCAL HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE.
THIS IS A, IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A CERAMIC COATED METAL PRODUCT THAT, UH, COMES WITH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT WARRANTY IS, BUT IT'LL LAST A VERY LONG TIME.
I DID ONE OF THESE ABOUT 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO, AND
DO YOU HAVE A, UM, A SCHEDULE OF REPAIR ON ALL OF YOUR BUILDINGS, ANY OF YOUR BUILDINGS, OR YOU CAN JUST DO ONE, ONE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET THE ENTIRE QUESTION.
SO, UH, SHE, SHE ASKED IF, UH, SINCE THIS IS A, A FRANCHISE TYPE, DO YOU HAVE A SCHEDULE OF REPAIRS OR IS IT ONLY AS NEEDED, UH, FOR UPGRADES? YEAH, NO, THIS IS NOT A FRANCHISE.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A CORPORATE STORE DISCOUNT TIRE HAS, UH, OVER A THOUSAND STORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
NOW, UH, THEY'RE ALL CORPORATELY OWNED OR THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE FRIENDS, RIGHT.
BUT THIS WOULDN'T BE A STORY THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
UH, THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINED WORSHIP OF THIS BUILDING.
UH, AND, UM, I THINK THEIR REPUTATION SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY OF THEIR STORIES, THEIR IMPACT IMPECCABLY CAP, THERE WILL BE NO, THERE'LL BE NO CARS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, UH, STORE HOURS FROM EIGHT IN THE MORNING, TILL NIGHT, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY EIGHT IN THE MORNING UNTIL FIVE AT NIGHT ON SATURDAY.
AND THEY'RE CLOSED ON SUNDAYS.
UM, UH, THEY WILL FADE A LITTLE LATER THAN CLOSING TIME IF THEY'RE FINISHING UP A TIRE CLEANING, OR IF A CUSTOMER IS RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE, GETTING BACK TO THE STORE.
BUT IF THE CUSTOMER DOESN'T GET TO THE STORE WITHIN A REASONABLE, REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU START CLOSING, THEY'LL PUT THE CAR INSIDE THE BUILDING AT NIGHT, LOCK IT UP AND THEY CAN COME BACK THE NEXT DAY THEY GET THE CAR.
SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE NOTHING IN THE PARKING LOT.
UH, OVERNIGHT THERE WON'T BE ANY EXTERIOR DOOR HIRES THERE.
ALL THE USED TIRES ARE STORED, TIED.
ALL THE NEW TIRES ARE, OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T FIND THAT BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, AND THE TRASH ENCLOSURE IS, UH, MAKING REBUILT, IT'LL MATCH THE SAME MATERIALS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND IT'S GOT A DOUBLE, DOUBLE CONTAINER THERE, ONE FOR RECYCLABLES AND ONE FOR, BUT IT'S A VERY, VERY CLEAN OPERATION.
YOU KNOW, MANY OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS ALREADY.
THERE WAS NO OIL CHANGES OR ANY, UH, EARTH WORK DONE AT ONE OF THESE FACILITIES.
SO THERE'S NO MUFFLERS OR BREAKS OR WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OF YOUR THOUSAND UNITS.
WHAT IS THE OLDEST ONE? I, I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTH.
I'M GOING TO SAY THEY STARTED IT IN ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN, AND NOW THEIR PATIENTS FAILURES.
AND HAS IT EVER BEEN RENOVATED?
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HOW DOES IT JUST FILLED UP? OH, THE FIRST BUILDING.I, I, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY VERY AWARE OF IT, OR THEY USUALLY AWKWARD WITH THE STORES FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I SUPPOSE IF THEY GET FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE, THEY WOULD QUITE THEM OR, UH, YOU KNOW, RELOCATE THEM.
UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IN THIS REGARDING THE DUMPSTER, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL? AND WHERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER? SURE.
THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, MATTHEW MCCORDSVILLE BUILDING MASONRY, IT'LL BE A MACERATED, UH, WITH, UH, IT'LL HAVE METAL, UH, GATES ON THERE.
SO THEY'RE, UM, THEY'LL BE SOLID, NOT LIKE FLIMSY WOOD GATES AT ABOUT A SIX FOOT HIGH, UM, ENCLOSURE.
AND IT'LL PULL IT PRE THE CONTAINERS THAT ARE WORKING WITHIN THE ENCLOSURE AT THE TOP.
WELL, I DON'T SEE A RENDERING OUT OF THE DUMPSTER, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE AS NEAR THE BUILDING, OTHER THAN THE, THE FACADE, SIMILAR TO THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE AND NOT METAL.
AND IT IS PROPOSED TO BE MASONRY MATERIAL THAT MATCHES THE BUILDING.
THE MASONRY, OTHER THAN THE GATES THEMSELVES, OBVIOUSLY THE GATES THEMSELVES, AND THEY ARE WHAT THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE OUT OF METAL.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PLENTY WOOD.
UM, THIS AREA IS, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING, UH, A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS WITH, UH, THE BRICK FACADE ON THEM.
UM, I DO THINK THE MODERN LOOK IS NOT NECESSARILY, UM, WHAT PERSONALLY I WOULD PREFER.
I WOULD PREFER THE, THE BRICK, BUT, UM, WHY ARE YOU BUILDING THIS BUILDING THERE? AND YOU WERE HIDES, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE 12 OTHER TIRE PLACES THERE IN TOWN.
AND, UM, YOU HAVE ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S LESS THAN FIVE MILES FROM THERE, FROM THIS SITE.
UH, SO WHY DID YOU SELECT THIS PLACE? NO, I'M NOT THE PERSON THAT, UH, RESPOND TO THAT.
I'M A, THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIVISION OF PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT THE MARKETS AND THE DEMAND.
UM, SO I, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, UM, IN, IN MOST CASES THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SUGGEST THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CASES, BUT IN MOST CASES WHERE I'VE HAD SOMEBODY SAY THERE, YOU KNOW, OTHER TIRE STORES IN THE AREA, TYPICALLY THOSE OTHER TIRE STORES AREN'T REALLY THEIR STORES THEY'RE ORDERS THAT TELL PIRATES, BUT THEY DO COMPLETE AUTO SERVICE WORK.
SO VERY, THERE'S ONE ACTUALLY YOUR AREA WITH A VERY SIMILAR NAME WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE WORDS REVERSED AND THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY DO ON IRONMAN AND GRAPES AND MUFFLERS AND THE WHOLE THING.
AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS ACTUALLY VERY UNIQUE.
UM, I'M NOT GOING TO SUGGEST YOU DON'T HAVE A STORE THAT HELD ONLY HIRES, BUT, UM, IT'S, UH, TYPICALLY MOST PLACES THESE DAYS ARE DOING THE COMPLETE AUTO SERVICE WORK.
LIKE THIS STORE LESS THAN FIVE MILES AWAY.
UM, THAT'S FAIRLY CLOSE IN MY MIND.
UM, I JUST QUESTIONING WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE TWO COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER WITHIN THOSE SAME CLOSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THEY'RE, UH, THIS IS A VERY UPSCALE STORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS.
SO ALL A HIGHER END, UH, HIGHER AS WELL AS HIGHER.
SO LIKE THERE'S ALMOST ANYTHING, IT COULD BE ALMOST ANY BRAND HIRE FROM.
YOU'RE NOT LIMITED TO LIKE A BRAND FIRESTONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER LOCATIONS IN HUBER HEIGHTS? AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE REAL THING
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OR THE AMERICAN DIVISION.SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE CONSIDERED, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE HAVE.
WE PURCHASED A CONTRACT FOR MR.
DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'VE LOOKED AT OTHER PROPERTIES IN HUBER HEIGHTS? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE, I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY AS A APPROVED THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, UM, THAT THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE AND IS, UM, NOT BEING THE CHARACTER OF HUBER HEIGHTS, ELDER GENTLEMEN, THE REASON FOR DEFINING THAT IF WE DO AND WOULD THAT GET US SOME LEGAL TROUBLE? I AM.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY NOT IN THE CHARACTER OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, IS THERE ARE PLENTY OF BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT DO NOT HAVE BRICK THAT DO HAVE MASONRY LIKE THIS.
THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT KIND OF MASONRY.
YOU CAN ADD A, UM, UH, A, A CONDITION TO ADD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BRICK THAT, UH, AND THEN IF THEY DECIDE THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, OR, UM, IT'S UM, TO DENY BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE BRICK, THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OUR CODE, NO ONE, OUR CODE SAYS THAT EVERY BUILDING HAS TO HAVE BRICK, BUT THIS ZONING ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SO, SO AS A, AS A PUD, YES, YOU, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, HAVE CONDITIONS PUT ON THIS, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT I'M SAYING ABOUT A FLAT OUT DENIAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, A CERTAIN MATERIAL THAT'S NOT THE ONLY MATERIAL APPROVED.
UM, THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM MAY COME IN.
MAYBE THE, UM, THE FACILITY ITSELF, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A TIRE STORE AND IT'S ON OUR MAIN ROAD COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE THAT, UH, I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
UH, NOT BEING IN THE CHARACTER THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD OUR ENTRANCE.
THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE COMMERCIAL USE.
UM, SO WHETHER IT'S A TIRE STORE OR A RESTAURANT OR A PLACE THAT SELLS WIDGETS, THOSE ARE ALL ACCEPTABLE USES HERE AND UNDERSTAND, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM THOUGH.
AT THE, THERE ARE A SET OF STANDARDS ABOUT MAKING THE DECISION ITSELF, WHETHER IT MEETS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALWAYS ALREADY RULED THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREA, THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL USES OF THIS TYPE, UM, ARE ACCEPTABLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE BACK ON THE DETAILED PLANS IS DOES IT REASONABLY MATCH THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WERE SET BY CITY COUNCIL? THAT'S ALL IN LINE OF THAT QUESTIONING.
UM, CAN WE DISAPPROVE OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF STORE THAT IT IS, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA AS FAR AS THE, UM, COMMERCIAL PLAN PROPERTY, BUT, UM, THE TYPE OF STORE THAT IS THERE, UM, CAN WE DENY FOR THAT REASON, OR ARE WE JUST AT THE MERCY OF THE COUNCIL ON THAT CITY COUNCIL SETS THE STANDARDS THAT CAN OVERRULE WHATEVER WE, RIGHT.
THEY'VE ALREADY SET THOSE STANDARDS THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THROUGH THAT AS COMMERCIAL USE, WE CAN'T SAY NO, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE WHAT TYPE OF STORE IT IS, CORRECT.
SO, UH, JUST, I GUESS THE QUESTION MORE FOR SCOTT, SORRY FOR THE APPLICANT, IF WE DID TALK ABOUT REQUIRING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BRICK INSTEAD OF MASONRY AREN'T, WE OPENING THE DOOR TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE
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OF THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AT THAT POINT TO WHERE WE, I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY A HOLE THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE TROUBLE POTENTIALLY.UM, AS I MENTIONED ABOUT LIKE THE TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE, UM, THAT'S, WE DO WANT THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT'S A PLAN, EXCUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF A PLAN MIXED USE THAT EVERY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT HAS SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF CONNECTIVITY THAT, UM, BASIS, WHETHER IT'S BUILDING MATERIALS, WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPING, THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE A PORTION.
SO, UM, THE, UH, THERE WAS SOME BRICK BACK ON THE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PORTION.
SO IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO REQUEST SOME HERE.
AND OUR COMMISSIONER WAS SATISFIED WITH THE, UH, FLOW OF TRAFFIC AROUND THIS BUILDING AND THROUGH THE, ERM, YEAH, I THINK WE COVERED THAT QUITE A BIT ON THE LAST ONE, RIGHT.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE AROUND THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE THAT MUCH ASPHALT, MORE RUNOFF, CHEMICAL RUNOFF WATER, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE INSTEAD OF VEGETATION AND THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
SO IF THERE, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE AS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES FOR REALLY, FOR FUTURE EASEMENTS FOR THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT NEEDING MORE PARKING, OR IS THIS, THEY, THEY HAVE A NEED FOR 39 SPACES, I GUESS WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT THAT, BUT IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THE MASONRY DISCUSSION FIRST AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO THAT ONE.
IF, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, I WOULD PROPOSE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME MATCHING TO THE, THE, UM, APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING IN TO HAVE SOME BRICK FRONT FINANCIAL ON THESE, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT, UM, SO ONE, IF WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO, WHAT KIND OF REQUIREMENT THERE, AND THEN IF WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING AS WELL, BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
UM, SO I GUESS, SO WHAT IS PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKING FOR ON AN AMOUNT, UM, AND HOW THAT WORKS OF WHETHER IT'S JUST A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ALL SIDES FRONT OR WHAT'S WITH THIS BEING SUCH A VISIBLE LOCATION RIGHT ON TROY AND THERE'S A ROAD RUNNING BEHIND IT AND THEY'RE QUITE VISIBLE WOULD BE AN ALL FOUR SIDES.
MY, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED ALL AROUND AND THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SO HIGH OR AT LEAST 30% MAYBE SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL THEM HOW MUCH TO PUT ON IT.
I LIKE THE PICTURE THAT CAME UP THAT HAD THE BRICK AND MASONRY THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT ON ONE OF THEIR STOREFRONT SAMPLES.
BUT IF THIS IS THEIR NEWEST DESIGN, I CAN'T SEE.
I MEAN, WE'VE, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT THAT SAY ANYTHING IF IT'S MASONRY, IT'S MASONRY.
SO, UH, I LIKE THE LOOK OF BRICK PERSONALLY, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL.
WE HAVE STANDARDS THAT'S MASONRY, AND THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL HAS SAID.
I DON'T THINK IT'S UP TO US TO CHANGE THAT.
AND SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE EVERY BUILDING TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF BRICK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS AN OVERALL PLANS, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND MY DRUTHERS.
IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BREAK.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT, WE HEAR 30%.
DO I HEAR 40 ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? I MEAN, I LIKE THE LOOK OF BRICK, BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S MY PLACE TO TELL THEM HOW MUCH BRICK TO PUT ON SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON FOR THAT.
AND THEN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, BUT KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT LOOKING LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL BUILDING RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.
BUT I THINK THE, THE, THE MASONRY ITSELF IS GOING TO LOOK BETTER THAN THE PICTURE THAT WE HAVE A RENDERING OF THE RENDERING MAKES IT LOOK KIND OF FLAT.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE ISSUE.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY PROBLEM IS THAT THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
WE WANT IT TO LOOK, NOT LOOK LIKE A TIRE STORE, BUT FOR RETAIL, WE HAVE NICE
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BUILDINGS HERE, THE BIG SCREENS NOT CATCHING UP TO THE COMPUTER RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION IS THAT IT DOES HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE TYPES OF THESE MATERIALS AND DEPTH TO IT.SO I BELIEVE IT IS A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING AS IS THAT, UH, WE HAD THAT THE WINDOW WALL STOREFRONTS AND THAT, UH, ALUMINUM AROUND IT IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THE, UH, UH, THE CONCRETE UNITS TO THE BACK AND THE COLOR SCHEME.
SO, UM, FROM THAT MODERN END OF THINGS, UM, THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER BUILDINGS IN HUBER HEIGHTS THAT HAVE BUILT TO A MODERN STANDARD THAT DON'T HAVE GRIP ON THEM, BUT ON ULTRA LIGHT RIGHT OFF OF THE OTHER STATE, THAT'S MY ISSUE, SCOTT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I JANSSEN HAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT MAYBE MAINTENANCE, UM, AND THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING OVER TIME THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY FOLLOW STANDARD MAINTENANCE AND ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING IS KEPT UP TO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOVE PAR, SINCE IT IS RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY, IT IS ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO ENSURE THAT IT ALWAYS HAS A STELLAR LOOK.
SO, UH, YES, WE DO HAVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS.
WE HAVE MADE PROPERTY OWNER OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS PAINT THEIR BUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD PEELING PAINT BEFORE, UM, UH, ROOFS THAT HAVE HAD DAMAGE VENDOR BEEN REPLACED.
IF THERE IS RUSTED METAL TYPE THINGS, SOMEWHERE, THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE PART OF STANDARD, UH, MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO WHAT HAVE, WHAT HAVE WE COME TO A CONSENSUS? I I'M HONESTLY, I'M FINE WITH THE LOOK.
IT IS, UM, I'M KINDA WITH JIM AT WHAT POINT, AND AT WHAT PERCENTAGE DO WE TELL THEM THAT MUST BE BRICK WHEN IT'S NO, NOT REALLY IN A CODE THAT WE HAVE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE BRICK.
UM, I THINK THE PICTURE THAT WAS PASSED AROUND, UM, I LIKED LOOK OF IT.
IT DOES LOOK CLEAN AND FRESH, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY IT IS.
I MEAN, IF IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IT'S RETAIL, NOT INDUSTRIAL, IT IS IN RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, NOT AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT IS A RETAIL TIRE STORE, NOT ANY KIND OF INDUSTRIAL.
THAT'S JUST MY, MY TAKE ON THAT IN MY OPINION.
SO, UH, I, I THINK THAT IF WE START REQUIRING BRICK, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A SPACE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE PUTTING A NUMBER ON HOW MUCH IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND THEN WE'VE PRESSED THAT THROUGH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTEN OUR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON MASONRY AT THIS POINT.
AND WHETHER I AGREE WITH THE LOOK OR NOT, THAT IT'S, THAT'S NOT MY GOAL.
I THINK WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE AND GO FROM THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE'RE REQUIRED 30% ON ALL SIDES OF THIS BUILDING.
AND THAT WOULD BE A MOTION NOT APPROPRIATE FOR MR.
UM, IT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY OF A PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A MODIFICATION TO THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD.
AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SECOND.
THIS MOTION PROBABLY DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
YEAH, I THINK WHILE I AGREE, PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE LOOK OF BRICK.
I THINK WE WERE TEST TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTIVE OF COUNCIL THAT THE MEN, IT MEETS THE MASONRY REQUIREMENTS.
AND I THINK IT'D BE UNREASONABLE TO PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM THAN WE PUT ON SAY THE VALVOLINE THAT GOT APPROVED ACROSS THE STREET AS IT IT'S GOT A BRICK ALL THE WAY UP SINCE IT'S THE FIRST BUILDING THERE, I WAS HOPING IT COULD SET THE STANDARD FOR ANY OTHER BUILDING THAT WOULD BE BUILT THERE, UM, IN THE, UH, BRICK FACADE.
BUT LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BABBLING IS BRICK ALL THE WAY UP.
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UM, ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THERE WERE, AND THESE WERE NOT FINAL, BUT WHEN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CAME THROUGH, THERE WERE SOME EXAMPLE FACADES THAT WERE PART OF THE PROPOSAL AND NOT ALL OF THOSE DID HAVE REC THERE WERE SOME OF THOSE FACADES THAT WENT THROUGH THAT EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH AT THE TIME THAT DID NOT HAVE BRICK ON THEM.CAN WE GO TO THE PARKING NOW? I KNOW ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT WE MAKE THAT WIDE AND CERTAINLY EVEN FURTHER THAT NO FUCKING SPACE.
SO, UM, ONE THING IS YES, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD, THE PARKING SPACES SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET WIDE.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO, UH, THERE IS THE QUESTION OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES.
SO, UH, MR. MOSHER, YOU HAVE, UH, UH, THE, OUR PARKING CODE FOR THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING AND THE NUMBER OF BAYS AND THOSE KINDS OF THEY CAME OUT TO 16 REQUIRED SPACES AND YOU WERE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, IS IT 39? UM, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT MANY SPACES? AND IF, UH, UH, WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THAT TO ADD A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED.
UM, I CAN, I CAN NOT ADDRESS THE PARKING QUESTION BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, SO WITH THIS BUILDING, UH, MISUSE, UH, THIS FRONT TIRE, UH, HAS THE APPOINTMENT BUSINESS.
SO THERE MAY BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10, SOMETIMES MORE CARS THAT WILL BE BROUGHT IN IN THE MORNING, UH, AND THEY'RE LEFT THERE FOR THE ENTIRE DAY, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT.
THEY WANT TO GET TO WORK OR WHEREVER.
OH, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO RESERVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10 TO 15 BASIS PER VEHICLE THAT WILL BE PARKED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE DAY.
AND THEN THERE'S 10 TO 15 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK THERE.
MOST, EVERYBODY DRIVES BY BEDFELLOWS.
SO YOU NEED ANOTHER 10 OR 15 FACES FOR THE EMPLOYEE.
SO THAT GETS US UP TO SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 TO 30 SPACES THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S OF COURSE, PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AND GOING WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT.
SO, UH, TYPICALLY WE HAVE, UH, A WORD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 40 FACES PER OR ADEQUATE.
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
AND THEN WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF GOING TO THE ADEQUATE WIDE SPACE, IT'S GOING TO FURTHER REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PAGES THAT WE'RE SELLING.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE LIKE 38 OR 39 SPACES.
WE'LL PROBABLY BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 35 SPACES, UH, WHEN WE MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE APARTMENT WITH WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO DO.
SO THAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT IS PROPOSED, IF THAT HELPS.
SO, YEAH, LET'S GO INTO THE 10 FOR SPACES WHERE WE REDUCED THAT.
AND STAFF'S OKAY WITH THAT TOO.
IT'LL BE A LOWER NUMBER BASED ON 10 FOOT SPACES.
YOU USED TO PEOPLE ASKING FOR FEWER SPACES THAN WE NEED.
I, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I COULD SAY ONE THING TO POINT BACK TO THE CAUSE I COULDN'T HEAR ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE THAT, UM, THIS IS A VERY, VERY ROBUST BUILDING.
IT'S FULL MASON, REBUILT, UH, FEELING MACY DEBRIS.
IT'S GOING TO BE FULLY FIRE PROTECTED THE FULL SPREE FIRST WITH THEM INSIDE THIS BUILDING.
IF YOU'RE IN A TORNADO ZONE, WHICH I'M NOT WHO YOU ARE, BUT I'M THINKING YOU PROBABLY ARE.
UM, THERE WILL BE A FAPE ROOM BUILT IN THE BUILDING OR EMPLOYER WOULD GET INTO THIS BUILDING, NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY JUST THROW UP A PIECE OF CARDBOARD.
IT, UH, IT TAKES, FOR EXAMPLE, IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS TO BUILD A WHOLE PASCOE STORE.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A COPPER, THIS BUILDING TAKE THE ACTUALLY SIX MONTH BILL.
SO THIS IS IF, IF THERE'S ANY CONFIRMED AT ALL ABOUT THE QUALITY OF WHAT'S BEING BUILT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS IS, UH, JUST AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER THAN MOST, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT TODAY.
AND THE MA A MORE MODERN LOOK ON THIS BUILDING.
IT IS NEW, IT IS NEW, BUT IT'S NOT UNLIKE WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH FROM OTHER NATIONAL
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RETAILERS AND RESTAURANTS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU'VE SEEN LIKE THE NEW WENDY'S BRETT BROWN BETTER BE RENOVATED, OR THE NEW STARBUCKS, UH, WITH, WITH ALL THE METAL AND BLACK AND GREEN AND LIKE THAT, OH, IF WE HAVE A LOT OF GLASS OR THEN WE HAVE THE SPRAIN DESIGN OVER THERE, VERY FAMOUS ARCHITECT, KIND OF DESIGNERS, NEW PROTOTYPES FOR THEM THAT THEY'RE ROLLING OUT.AND THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE BREATHING.
SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY THINKS THAT BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS HAVE A CLAY BRICK AT IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS NOT A QUALITY BUILT BUILDING AND A BUILDING THAT, UM, THE COMPANY WOULD BE PROUD OF.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE GENTLEMEN ON THE PHONE.
UM, WHAT DOES THE LIGHTING LOOK LIKE AFTER HOURS, UH, SEEN WITH YOU BEING CLOSED AT SIX? WHAT IS THE LIGHTING OF THE PARKING LOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? UM, THEY, THERE WILL BE LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT AFTER HOUR, BUT IT'LL GO TO MORE ABOUT THE LIGHTING OR BE JUST SOME DOWN LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IN THE PARKING AREA, MOST OF LIGHTS WILL BE TURNED OFF.
THERE MAY BE SOME AMBIENT LIGHTING, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE GREATLY REDUCED.
SO AT ONE POINT AFTER SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, OR IT'LL LIGHT UP PROBABLY ON CAL-POLY FABRIC OR EIGHT, BUT AFTER, AFTER, AFTER HOURS, THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE TURNED DOWN CONSIDERABLY.
IS THERE ANY, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS ANY QUESTION OR COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? IF NOT, I WILL.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND, I BELIEVE.
AND THIS WOULD BE BASED ON, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE CEREBRAL HEMISPHERE, SO I CAN GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS ON THE DECISION RECORD IS SO ON THE APPROVED, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPED PLANS SITE PLANS SHOW ME THE PLANS RECEIVED BY THE CITY, UH, STAMPED, UH, AUGUST 24TH.
UM, AND THEN CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL RECEIVE FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL PRIOR TO A ZONING CERTIFICATE BEING ISSUED.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL ADDRESS ALL FIRE DIVISION COMMENTS PRIOR TO A ZONING CERTIFICATE, BE AN ISSUE.
NUMBER FOUR, PARKING SPACES SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET WIDE.
NUMBER FIVE, ALL TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ON OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD DESCRIBED IN ZONING CASE 21 DASH 25 SHALL BE COMPLETE PRIOR TO THE ISSUE IN SEMI-FINAL, UH, OCCUPANCY FOR ANY BUILDING WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ITEM SIX, I WILL NOT READ IT, BUT IT'S OUR STANDARD, UH, PUD AGREEMENT REQUIREMENT FOR THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY PROVIDE TO US A, A BOND, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST THREE GROWING SEASONS OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT, UH, IN PLACE, UH, FOR THAT.
SO PUT THAT IF SOMETHING DIES OFF AFTER A YEAR, THE CITY CAN GO IN AND WANT TO PLACE IT AND USING THAT BOND.
SO THAT IS THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NO, THE MOTION PASSES ALONG TO ITEM C MINUTES.
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I DON'T SEE, AS A DETAILED, IRRELEVANT PLAN, THE APPLICANT R J K ASSOCIATES IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 8.755 ACRES AT 5 0 6 0 US ROUTE 40 ZONING PHASE 21 DASH 30.UH, THE CASE BEFORE YOU IS FOR THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE WINDBROOK DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE, UH, ALL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ARE EITHER BUILT OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY.
UH, THERE IS THE CITY'S WATER TOWER LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE FINAL PIECE TO, UM, WHAT IS THE, THE OVERALL PLANS MIXED USE, UH, WINDBROOK DEVELOPMENT.
THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL CAME BACK IN 2005 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND THEN THIS FRONT PIECE WAS DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL USE.
THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A STORAGE INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, SO THE, UH, REQUEST, UM, IS TO, UH, PROVIDE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE SITE FOR INDOOR STORAGE IN FOUR PHASES IS WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO.
UH, THEY, THIS IS LOCATED ALONG US, ROUTE 40, BUT THE PROPOSED ACCESS IS OFF CENTER ROAD THAT, UH, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
THERE IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT PROPOSED BACK AT THE REAR THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT COMES FROM THE, UH, WATER TOWER OUT TO US FROM ROUTE 40.
UM, THE, UH, THAT IS AN EXISTING CURB CUTS OUT ON, UH, ROUTE 40.
SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, PERMITS ON THAT ONE ITSELF.
SO W WITH THIS REQUEST, UH, THERE IS, UH, THE FRONT BUILDING WOULD HAVE THE OFFICE TO IT, AND THAT WOULD BE THE BUILDING THAT HAS SANITARY AND WATER CONNECTION.
UM, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THE, UH, OTHER PORTION, THERE IS A WATER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THAT.
THEY WILL CONNECT WITH SOME NEW FIRE HYDRANTS AS PER, UH, SOME FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS ITSELF.
UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME UNDERGROUND, UH, STORM WATER LINES THAT, UH, COME ACROSS ROUTE 40 THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO PICK UP AND RELOCATE AS THEY'RE, UH, FOUND, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO NEW DETENTION BASINS LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE ITSELF, AS THIS IS WITHIN AN OVERALL PLANNED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR BUFFERING BETWEEN THESE TWO USES.
UH, SO THEY, UH, ARE PROPOSING ALONG THAT SOUTHERN LINE, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, NEW TREES THROUGHOUT THE AREA AND A WOOD PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE STORAGE UNITS THEMSELVES.
UM, THERE I, THERE IS A, I'LL SAY A CONFLICT IN BETWEEN THE DRAWINGS BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE GRADING PLAN AS THE, UM, THE DETENTION BASINS.
THAT'S GO TO THE SLOPE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE, HAVING THE TREES, UH, ALONG THAT LINE, UH, WILL NOT CREATE AS MUCH OF A BUFFER, UM, AS IT'S GOING DOWN THE SLOPE INTO THE DETENTION BASIN ITSELF.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT BUFFERING, UM, IT'S, UM, BOTH AREAS WHERE THERE'S, IT'S ATTENTION BASED AND, UM, ALSO THE, UH, THE ACCESS OFF OF SANTA DRIVE, UH, THAT WOULD BE ALL AREAS.
THERE'LL BE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF THAT, UH, THE, ALL THE DRIVES BE PAVED, WHETHER IT'S ASPHALT OR CONCRETE.
UM, AND THEN AS, UH, WE MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS CASE ON THIS ONE, TOO, THAT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PARKING SPACES BE 10 FOOT WIDE, THEY HAVE PROPOSED NINE FOOT WIDE ON THIS.
SO THAT'S A 10 FOOT WOULD MEET THE CITY STANDARD WITH THAT.
SO THE BUILDINGS, UM, MADE UP OF MULTIPLE MATERIALS.
UM, THE OFFICE PORTION IS COVERED WITH BRICK VENEER, AND IT HAS A METAL ROOF, A STORAGE BUILDING THAT ALSO FACES CENTER DRIVE HAS A BRICK OF LINEAR FACADE ON THE WEST FACE.
THE STORAGE UNITS HAVE A COMBINATION OF METAL SIDING AND TILT UP PEERS.
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DOORS, AND THERE IS NO DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES SHOWN ON THIS SITE, BUT A STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANY DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WILL BE MASONRY WITH THE GATES AT THE FRONT THAT WOULD MEET STANDARD CITY CODES THEMSELVES.UM, SO THE GO BACK LIGHTING, THEY DID PROVIDE A PHOTOMETRIC, THERE WILL BE LIGHTS ON THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, AND WITH THE PHOTOMETRICS THAT SHOWS THAT THE, THERE WOULD BE NO SPILLAGE ON TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
AND THEN ALSO WITH PROPER BUFFERING, THAT WOULD ALSO KEEP THE LIGHTING DOWN, UM, ALONG ANY OF THOSE EDGES ITSELF.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, ALSO PROPOSED, UH, TREES ALONG ROUTE 40 ITSELF.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORDS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT IN TIME, WHAT I'VE NOTICED AS WELL IS WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE DRAWING IS A 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THAT'S LOCATED ALONG, UH, ROUTE 40 AND WITH THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UH, BACK IN 2005 ON THAT BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THE IT'S, UH, UH, IT WAS APPROVED THAT IT'D BE SET AT 45 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO THERE WOULD BE A NEEDED TO BE A DEDICATION OF AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FOOT, 4 45 FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
AND THEN, UM, SO, UM, ALSO WITH THIS, UH, WE DID NOTIFY, UH, THE RESIDENTS OF, UH, THE, UH, PLANT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS OF, UH, WINDBROOK.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A PACKET AND IT'S IN FRONT OF EACH OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL LETTERS OF OPPOSITION AND THEY, IT WAS LETTERS, UH, THE CONCERNS RANGE FROM, UH, PROPERTY VALUES, TRAFFIC OF ALL THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO ONE POINT ONTO A RESIDENTIAL ROAD ON SANTA DRIVE, AND THEN ACCESSING THIS WITH TRUCKS, UH, AND, UH, UH, THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT GOES IN THERE.
UM, THERE IS A PARK LOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT FIRST BUILDING THAT'S, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
SO THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE PLAYGROUND AREA BEING RIGHT NEXT TO A STORAGE FACILITY ITSELF.
THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUFFER, UM, ABOUT, UH, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, UM, ENOUGH TO, UH, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH AND PROTECT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO THE STORAGE UNIT AREA.
UM, AND, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THAT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, STORAGE UNITS IN THE AREA, UM, WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS.
UH, WHY IS THERE THE NEED HERE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP? UM, AND, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, THAT THERE MAY BE A COUPLE OTHER THINGS HERE, AND I KNOW THERE'S, UH, SOME, UH, RESIDENTS HERE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT HERE TONIGHT AS, SO I'LL BE HERE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANTS HERE, AND AS I MENTIONED, RESIDENTS ARE HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, MR.
SO DO WE KNOW FOR SURE, THE, JUST TO CONFIRM, I GUESS THE SURFACE INSIDE IS SOLID SURFACE, NOT CRUSHED ROCK, AND IT WAS NOT AS CLEAR ON THE DRAWINGS AS I THINK IT SHOULD BE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT TODAY'S DAY, IT PROBABLY IS SOLID SURFACE, BUT I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME THAT ARE THE CRUSHED ROCK OR GRAVEL BASELINE.
SO, UM, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BUFFERING, MEL, ARE WE TALKING JUST LANDSCAPING AND SPACE IN BETWEEN IS WHAT'S PROPOSED OR ARE WE TALKING LIKE MOUNDING TO HAVE, UH, A LINE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL, SO THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY MOUNTING.
THEY ARE JUST PROPOSING VEGETATION AND A SIX FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCE BACK AT THE EDGE OF PIGMENTS OF THE FACILITY.
I THINK I BROUGHT UP FOR ME GOING ON CARROT, CHARLES PARKWAY, IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE STORY HOUSE, THE MOUNTING THAT THEY'VE DONE DOWN THE PARKWAY DOES PROVIDE QUITE A NICE BUFFER.
UM, SO I WOULD PREFER IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BREAK FROM WHAT IS CLEARLY A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT WE CREATE SOME KIND OF A BARRIER THAT'S A NATURAL BARRIER LIKE THAT THAT'S HEAVILY LANDSCAPED AT AN ELEVATED LEVEL INSTEAD OF JUST AT THE GROUND LEVEL AS PART OF IT.
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I HAVE A, I ALSO HAVE A REAL ISSUE HAVING THE ENTRANCE FROM CENTER.I MEAN, I WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT IT, I GUESS I USED SOME PICTURES.
I MEAN, THAT ENTRANCE IS WHEN YOU TURN INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE SIGN WITH WHEN BROOKS, MONIKER OR MONUMENT SIGN AND THEN THE PLAYGROUND AND THIS ENTRANCE IS RIGHT THAT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DRIVING, RIGHT BY THE PLAYGROUND.
THE QUESTION WITH YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, MY ONLY COMMENT IS I WOULD AGREE WITH JIM, THE, THE ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW OF PEOPLE MOVING YOU HAUL TRUCKS IN AND OUT CLOSE TO A PLAYGROUND AND A RESIDENTIAL AREA, IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE THAT ENTRANCE TO 40 INSTEAD OF IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? SO, YEAH, IF THAT WAS THE CASE ONE, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A SET OF PLANS, BUT ALSO ANY NEW CURB CUT OUT ONTO 40 WOULD REQUIRE AN ODOP PERMIT, NOT A CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PERMITS, BUT IF THAT POSSIBLE, YES, YES.
I CAN'T IMAGINE, UH, BRINGING, UM, FURNITURE OR TRUCKS OR WHATEVER INTO A RESIDENTIAL STREET AND THEN MAKING A TURN INTO THESE, UH, UNITS WHENEVER YOU ALREADY HAVE ROUTE 40.
AND I REALIZE YOU DON'T LIKE TO HAVE MORE CURB CUTS, AND I REALIZE IT MAY TAKE LONGER TO GET PERMISSION FROM ODAT.
BUT I THINK THAT IN THIS CASE, THE IT'S JUST ALMOST IMPERATIVE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND ALSO ABOUT MAKING THE ENTRANCE TO BE ON, ON 40.
THE OTHER FACTORS ARE, THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL YOU'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE LETTERS TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THAT THAT'S NEAR A STOP WITH ALL THE CHILDREN BEING THERE.
I, I, FOR THE CHILDREN'S SAFETY IN MANY WAYS, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE, UH, TO HAVE IT COMING IN OFF THE SIDE STREET.
UM, AND THEN IT JUST CREATES MORE OF A TRAFFIC SITUATION ON THE STREET.
SO ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? YES.
UM, JUST LIKE WE JUST TALKED ON THE LAST CASE ABOUT THE MASONRY MATERIALS OR THE DESIGN STANDARDS WITHIN THE UNIT ITSELF.
I MEAN, THERE ARE DESIGN STANDARDS REQUIRED BASED ON THE HOUSES IN THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ALREADY, CORRECT.
THAT DOES REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MASONRY FROM AN AESTHETIC.
IS THAT MET IN THIS, OR IS THIS METAL BUILDING? UM, THERE ARE NO METAL BUILT METAL HOUSES, UH, WITHIN WINDBROOK THERE, THERE IS FINAL AND THERE ARE, THERE IS MASONRY OR BRICK AND STONE VERY LOUD.
SO WOULD IT BE REASONABLE THEN TO REQUIRE ANY VISIBLE SURFACES IN THIS CASE? SO FRONTAGE OR ALONG THE BACKSIDE THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE VIEW OR ALONG THIS, ANY, BASICALLY ANY VISIBLE BUILDING TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MASONRY ALONG WITH IT? UM, LIKE THE COMMISSION REQUIRED TO SIMILAR TO THE LAST SET OF, UH, UM, UH, STORAGE UNITS THAT CAME THROUGH JUST THINKING WE HAD SOMETHING THAT THE ONES ON WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD HAD THAT SAME REQUIREMENT.
IF ANYTHING VISIBLE, UM, HAD MASONRY REQUIREMENT ON THE FULL SIDE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH THE, THE OVERALL FLOW OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, IT IS PART OF THIS ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT ALREADY THAT HAS SET ITS STANDARD.
SO, AND ON THE MOUNDING, I DO THINK THE MOUNDING HAS TO BE PART OF THE BUFFER.
I MEAN, JUST PUTTING A BUFFER OF TREES OR SPACE OR VEGETATION, I DON'T SEE THAT PROVIDING AN ACTUAL BUFFER FOR PERMEABILITY.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR LINE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A MOUND EVEN COMING DOWN THE CENTER SIDE AS WELL, AND THEN PLUS LANDSCAPES.
SO IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING IS WRAPPED IN BRICK.
AND SO OF, I THINK THAT HAVE HAD THERE IN THAT AREA.
UM, MR. FALKOWSKI I NOTICED AS WELL, THIS IS IN PHASES AND IT'S WONDERFUL.
AND I KNOW THAT ON, AS YOU GO THROUGH, IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE, UH, 13 BUILDINGS AND I COUNT 14.
AM I, AM I, IS THAT LAST BUILDING? NOT PART OF THEIR
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YOU ARE CORRECT.WITH 14, THERE ARE 14 SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS.
FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS BEFORE I OPEN IT UP.
IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE MOUNDING FOR BUFFERING, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE, THE BUILDINGS, I GUESS ON THE WEST SIDE HERE.
CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO LOSE PART OF THE BUILDINGS.
WOULDN'T WE, TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT DIVIDER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO MAUMEE AND YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE SLOPE, GOING UP A LEVEL AREA ON TOP FOR THE PLANTINGS AND THEN THE SLOPE GOING DOWN.
SO THERE IS A CERTAIN SPACE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT AMOUNT OF DISTANCE OUT, UM, WOULD PROBABLY AFFECT THE LAYOUT.
UH, I COULDN'T SAY EXACTLY, UM, HOW MANY BUILDINGS WOULD BE, LET'S SAY EITHER LOST OR MODIFIED.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY YES IN SOME WAY IT WOULD BE, YES, WE CAN TOTALLY CLOSE OFF THE INFLUENCE CENTER THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE LIKE A SECOND INFERENCE OR ANYTHING.
AND THAT THEY, THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT TO THE EXISTING DRIVE THAT GOES TO THE WATERTOWER IS ACCEPTABLE AS A SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE ON AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE OFF 40 AND IT MAY TAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET OH, DOT APPROVAL.
BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH THE WAIT, BUT WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT FOR THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
ONE LAST ONE ON THE LIGHTING, YOU'D MENTIONED THE LIGHTING PLAN, BUT I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE AS WELL.
THE RESIDENTS THAT RUN ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF IT.
IF IT'S GOT LIGHTING AT NIGHT, IF THEY'RE SITTING OUT THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LIGHT THAT THEY CAN SEE EVEN IT'S NOT SHINING ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST LIGHT OUT IN THE BACKGROUND.
I'M ASSUMING THE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE ON ALL NIGHT.
AND IS IT A 24 ACCESS STORAGE FACILITY? UH, WE'LL HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANTS OUT THE, THE HOURS OF ACCESS, BUT, BUT YES, THERE IS SECURITY LIGHTING.
AND EVEN WITH BUFFERING, THERE WOULD BE A GLOW FROM THE LIGHTING.
I, AGAIN, I THINK THE MOUNDING AND VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPING WILL HELP DAMPEN THAT AS WELL.
SO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, IF NOT, I'M GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT.
IF THERE, IF THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
I AM THE APPLICANT AND UM, CAN SPELL MY NAME.
THE, THE DESIGN OF THE OTHER PLACE CAN BE MODIFIED THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF 40 MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, WE CAN ASK FOR A PERMIT FROM ODOD THOSE PERMITS AREN'T READILY AVAILABLE, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
THE, THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING.
UM, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, BUT I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SELF STORAGE.
DOESN'T DE-VALUE ANYONE'S PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN SELF STORAGE FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT HAPPEN.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU COULD BUILD ON THAT EIGHT ACRES THAT WOULD DRAW LESS TRAFFIC THAN SELF STORAGE.
IT IS THE SMALLEST TRAFFIC GENERATOR, UH, IN THE WORLD.
UM, WE'RE TALKING MAYBE 20 CARS A DAY.
IF THAT WERE TO GO TO A, UM, MULTIFAMILY KIND OF USE OR EVEN A RESIDENTIAL USE, IT WOULD GET TREMENDOUS MORE TRAFFIC.
UM, WE BUILD THE HIGHEST QUALITY INSTITUTIONAL QUALITY SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
YOU'VE NEVER SEEN ONE HERE AND THAT'S ONE OF
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THE PROBLEMS WITH STOUT STORY.EVERYBODY LOOKS AT SELF STORAGE AND THEY THINK ABOUT THE PLACE IT'S 30 YEARS OLD OR 40 YEARS OLD AND IT HAS ORANGE DOORS.
UM, THE OWNERS ARE IN CALIFORNIA OR PHOENIX OR SOMEWHERE AND THEY JUST RUN THEM AND BROUGHT THEM INTO THE GROUND.
I PROBABLY DROVE PAST 20 OF THEM ON THE WAY HERE FROM CINCINNATI.
UM, EVERYTHING HERE IS BUILT TO THE HIGHEST QUALITY.
IT HAS CONCRETE TILT UP PEERS, UM, THAT NEVER NEED MAINTENANCE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE PEELING PAINT OR DANCE OR WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, I MAINTAIN, I DO MAINTENANCE WORK FOR ALL THE SELF STORAGE COMPANIES.
A LOT OF THEM, UM, ARE PLACES ARE THE BEST.
THEY ARE ALL PAVED WITH CONCRETE.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO GET IN OR RESIDENTS THROUGH OUR ACCESS CONTROL GATES.
THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT 65 CAMERAS THAT RECORD EVERY FOOTSTEP INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS.
THEY ABOUT 50% OF THIS PLACE IS CLIMATE CONTROLLED, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING YOU DON'T SEE IN ALL THE OLD PLACES.
UM, IT'S A FEATURE THAT PEOPLE WANT.
UM, WE'RE BUILDING A PLACE THAT EVERYONE CAN BE PROUD OF, ESPECIALLY ME BECAUSE IT'S MY MONEY, UM, OR MY WIFE'S MONEY ACTUALLY.
UM, AND WE WOULDN'T BE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF $4 MILLION.
IF WE HADN'T DONE, UH, EXTENSIVE MARKET RESEARCH TO SEE THAT THIS PLACE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, I'VE NEVER HAD ONE THAT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL.
UM, SO WE'LL GO BACK AND, UH, WE'LL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK AND WE'LL TALK TO ODOD, BUT IF ODAT ISN'T AMENABLE TO A CURB CUT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO GET INTO THAT EIGHT ACRES AND GIVEN THE SMALL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT'S EVER GOING TO COME IN HERE AND WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE, OKAY.
SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN EMPLOYEE LOAD.
UM, OUR BEST TENANT MOVES IN ONE DAY STAYS FOREVER.
HOW MANY WEEKS, MONTHS, DAYS THAT THEY WANT TO STAY AND THEN MOVES OUT.
AND THEN THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY IS OVER IN SIX MONTHS.
AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE OPENED THIS PLACE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 200 TENANTS, YOU KNOW, THIS PLACE FILLS UP, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN AVERAGE ONE NEW TENANT A DAY FOR THE FIVE DAYS OR THE SIX DAYS THAT WE'RE OPEN, THAT'S FANTASTIC.
SO THIS IS A SLOW GROWTH BUSINESS.
UM, THERE'S NO OUTSIDE STORAGE AT ALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS LIGHTING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS JUST TO MAINTAIN SECURITY.
WE MAKE SURE THAT THE NO LIGHTING SPILLS OUT OVER OUR PROPERTY LINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT MOUNDING AND, AND THEN A FENCE MEAN THAT THE DUMBEST THING IS TO PUT A FENCE BELOW THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS.
I MEAN, IF YOU PUT UP A THREE FOOT MOUNTAIN AND A SIX FOOT FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, YOU REALLY HAVE A THREE FOOT TALL FENCE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE MODIFIED, BUT THIS IS A QUIET USE BUSINESS, THE QUIETEST BUSINESS.
I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T GET ANYTHING MORE.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD.
UM, THERE, WHETHER IT BE HOUSES, SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, UM, MULTIFAMILY, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS QUIET.
WE DON'T LET JUST ANYONE RENT THERE.
UH, EVERY UNIT, EVERY DOOR ON THIS FACILITY HAS AN ALARM ON IT.
WE TAKE SECURITY, UM, TO THE, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE KNOW WHEN YOU CAME THROUGH THE GATE, WE KNOW WHEN YOU OPENED YOUR DOOR, WE KNOW WHEN YOU CLOSED YOUR DOOR, WHEN YOU LEFT AND THE ENTIRE TIME YOU'RE ON CAMERA.
SO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF FOR SELF STORAGE.
UM, THERE'S LESS OF ANYTHING THERE THAN IT THAN, THAN ANY OTHER USE.
AND AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC GOES, YOU'RE TALKING 20 CARS A DAY WHEN IT'S FULL.
A LOT OF DAYS, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, WE HAVE LIKE THE LONELIEST MANAGERS IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEONE IN THERE AND, AND, UH, WITH
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COVID AND EVERYBODY DOING STUFF ONLINE, PEOPLE DON'T EVEN COME IN TO PAY THEIR BILL ANYMORE.SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE YOU PUT YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU DON'T NEED IT, OR YOU PUT YOUR STUFF THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR KIDS COME HOME FROM COLLEGE, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY WANT THEIR STUFF IN YOUR HOUSE ANYMORE.
SO YOU PUT IT IN SELF STORAGE.
UM, NO MATTER WHERE WE BUILT THEM, OUR FIRST TENANTS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE CLOSEST TO IT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEED STORAGE UNTIL YOU NEED IT.
AND THEN YOU, YOU WANT A NICE PLACE.
YOU WANT TO PLACE, IT'S GOT ALL THESE AMENITIES YOU WANT TO PLACE.
IT'S THE SNOW GETS PLOWED IN THE WINTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL PAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT IT LIT UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BUILD.
SO WE WILL GO BACK AND, UH, WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, A QUALITY SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR INITIALLY IN PEOPLE'S MINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HOUSE BEHIND THEM, BUT THIS IS QUIETER THAN A HOUSE BEHIND YOU.
AND SO, AND THE THING ABOUT THE PLAYGROUND, OUR PEOPLE AREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THAT PLAYGROUND, THERE'S A FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS PLACE TO KEEP THE PLAYGROUND PEOPLE OUT OF OUR PLACE AND OUR PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE PLAYGROUND, PEOPLE IN OUR DRIVEWAYS IS BEFORE THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE SPEEDING THINGS GOING ON.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, WE'LL GO BACK AND, UH, WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THIS AND WE'LL TALK WITH ODOD ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET A, A CURB CUT ON, ON 40.
IT, IT DOESN'T HELP THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON TWO DIFFERENT COUNTIES HERE.
TWO COUNTIES THAT DON'T SEEM TO COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER AT ALL, AND SEEM TO HATE EACH OTHER TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T USE THE FIRE HYDRANTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T LOOK FOR THE ADJOINING COUNTY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANYTHING THAT COMES FROM HUBER HEIGHTS, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND I THINK YOU ALL REALIZE THAT'S PROBABLY THE CASE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT COULD MAKE GETTING A CURB CUT REALLY DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, AND OH, DOTS LIKE EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE FOREVER.
UH, AND IN THE MEANTIME, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT, BUT WE WILL ASK, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHETHER MY CURB CUT IS ON, ON THE STREET OR, OR 40, DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE TO THE 20 PEOPLE WHO ARE PULLING IN THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE DOWN 40 AT 80 MILES AN HOUR, AND THEN COME ACROSS SOMEONE TURNING INTO OUR DRIVEWAY.
AND WE, WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CRASHES AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT ODOD KIND OF LOOKS AT.
AND I'VE DEALT WITH ODAT NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU LOSE, YOU LOSE MORE THAN WE WIN TOO.
SO SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, YOU HAVE TO GET IN TO THAT EIGHT ACRES, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER STREET OFF THE RESIDENTIAL STREET, UM, MAYBE IF YOU PER HEIGHTS OWNS THE DRIVEWAY TO THAT WATER TOWER, AND, UH, YOU GAVE US THE ABILITY TO BRING OUR TRAFFIC DOWN THE WATER TOWER ROAD IN, INTO THE BACKSIDE.
WE COULD RECONFIGURE IT, MOVE THE OFFICE BACK THERE BECAUSE DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
UM, SELF STORAGE IS NOT A PRODUCT THAT I CAN ADVERTISE, PUT IT ON SALE, AND PEOPLE JUST WANT TO HAVE IT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND US BECAUSE THEY NEED IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE THEIR PHONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY UNDER THE AGE OF MY AGE, UM, DOES, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO THERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICE OFF OF THE STREET THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY DON'T WANT IT, IF WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING, THEN WE REALLY SHOULD BE COMING IN FROM THE WATER TOWER.
AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE FIVE CARS A DAY GOING TO THE WATER TOWER.
WE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE YOU A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING.
UM, THAT COULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE PUTTING A, UH, ATTORNEY IN OFF OF 40 IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY HARD SELL.
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NOW WE'RE LOCKED WITH EIGHT ACRES AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, SOME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN.THE RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT, UH, IS POTENTIALLY A HUNDRED TIMES MORE THAN MY TRAFFIC.
SO WHO DO I TALK TO ABOUT USING YOUR ROAD IN THE END THAT A AGREEMENT WOULD GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL TO SET UP THAT KIND OF AGREEMENT? UM, SO, WELL, I MEAN, THAT PROCESS IS I LISTENED TO THE, TO THE CONCERNS, UM, THAT WOULD SOLVE A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'LL JUST WITHDRAW ALL THIS, UH, WITHOUT A VOTE AND COME BACK TO THE LATER DATE.
AND IF, UM, I KNOW THAT SOMEWHERE IN ALL THIS PAPERWORK IS MY ADDRESS.
IF IT WOULD HELP, IF YOU SENT THE LETTERS TO ME AND THEN MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS BEFORE WE COME BACK OR IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO I GET HERE SOME OF THIS STUFF BEFORE WE DESIGN AT ALL THE RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, IS THERE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OR THERE, I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE ONE REPRESENTATIVE? I MEAN, I, IF YOU GAVE ME A LIST OF EVERYBODY'S NAME ADDRESS, WE'LL, WE'LL EMAIL IT ALL OUT.
I THINK I'M DONE, BUT I, I DIDN'T FEEL YOUR PAPER OUT YET.
UH, YOU CAN ASK ME ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE SALES, LIKE ALL THE STUFF THAT'S LEFT THERE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT.
EXCUSE ME, IF, FOR, FOR PROCESS AND WE ARE RECORDING THIS, UM, AND THE PERSON THAT NORMALLY DOES THE MINUTES IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
SO ANY DISCUSSION WE DO NEED TO HAVE ON THE MICROPHONE, AND IF EVERYBODY COULD ADDRESS THE CHAIR AND WE CAN RELAY THINGS BACK AND FORTH, AND, AND I, I WILL MENTION THAT ANY LETTERS, UM, FROM RESIDENTS THAT GET SUBMITTED, BECOME PART OF THE RECORD AND CAN BE PASSED ON AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE ALL OF THE COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC RECORD, UM, IN THIS PROCESS AND IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE CAN HAVE A PRE MEETING SET UP.
THE CITY WILL FACILITATE THAT SO THAT WE CAN COME AND HAVE A DISCUSSION, UM, PRIOR TO ANY OTHER SUBMITTAL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE CITY WILL COOPERATE WITH YOU AND YOUR APPLICATION TO OH DOG.
BUT I AM VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE ALREADY THINKING OF AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE.
MY OBJECTION IS HAVING IT RIGHT THERE ON THAT RESIDENTIAL ROAD, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BUS STOP.
AND, UH, LOOKING AT, IN CASE ODOD SAYS, NO, UH, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS THAT COULD BE AN ENTRANCE.
WELL, THE ONLY OTHER ENTRANCE IS OFF THAT WATERTOWN.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER A QUESTION? OKAY.
UM, ANYONE HAVE QUESTION? YES.
SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, CAUSE YOU'D MENTIONED MOUNDING THREE FOOT MOUNDS, BUT THE ONES I'M THINKING OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS MOUNTAINS ARE PROBABLY WHAT EIGHT FEET.
I MEAN, AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS THAT TYPE OF MOUNTING FOR THE BUFFERING.
JUST IF YOU'RE REWORKING SOME PLANS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOUNTING THAT WE'VE SEEN THE DAZ WORK TO DO EXACTLY THAT, TO PROVIDE A NICE BUFFER OF SOME PRIVACY, AT LEAST AT THE SINGLE STORY HOME LEVEL, WHICH I ASSUME THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TALLER THAN SINGLE STORY HOMES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM.
BUT IT DOES A GREAT JOB THOUGH.
I MEAN, IT'S WORKED WELL THROUGHOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHERE IT'S DONE.
SO, UM, I, I DID HEAR THAT, UH, THEY STATED THEY WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAWAL THIS CASE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT, UH, SO TWO PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IF WE COULD HEAR, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED UPFRONT.
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EXCELLENT.WILL APPOINTED COMMISSION TO LISTEN TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
I AM GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC, BUT BEFORE I DO, I ASK THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY REDUNDANCY AND MR.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER AND OVER TRAFFIC TOPIC, TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER, IF YOU HAVE A NEW COMMENT TO ME THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT.
AND SO IF YOU'LL JUST RAISE YOUR HAND, GO TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, I WILL JESSE.
I'M FROM THE ADJOINING COUNTY, WHICH WE CALL BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
UM, SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TAXES.
IS THIS GOING TO BE PART OF THE WINDBROOK TIF OR IS IT A SEPARATE TAX? AND THEN HOW, IF YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THE, UM, TAXES WOULD FLOW TO THE BETHEL SCHOOLS, THAT'S THE ONLY INTEREST THE TOWNSHIP HAS.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
UH, ONE OTHER COMMENT I DO HAVE THOUGH IS, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UM, UH, A ROAD CUT ON 40 BECAUSE THAT'S A STATE ROUTE.
SO THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T NEED THAT.
BUT MY QUESTION WAS, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE TAXES AND HOW THAT OKAY, SO, UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS CASE, THIS IS THE CASE THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE TIF DISTRICT.
SO THE TAXES ARE THE SAME, NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S JUST WHERE THEY GO.
AND THE TIF DISTRICT IN CARRIAGE TRAILS AND EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING THAT BETHEL SCHOOLS NORMALLY WOULD GET.
THEY GET THAT WHATEVER THEIR MILLAGE IS, GOES THERE OR AT ANY OF THE HOMES AND CARES TRAILS OR THE HOMES HERE AND A WINDBROOK OR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
UH, SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A PORTION THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT WOULD STILL GO TO THE SCHOOLS.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T A SPECIAL INGREDIENT, DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
MY NAME'S DALE MASON, M A S I N.
I LIVE ACROSS ROUTE 40 FROM THE PROPOSED.
UM, WE HAVE GOOD EXAMPLES AND BAD EXAMPLES OF SELF STORAGE UNITS IN OUR AREA.
AND WE, I THINK WE'VE SEEN OUR FAIR SHARE OF BAD EXAMPLES.
UM, MY WIFE POINTED OUT TOO, THERE'S TIMES WHEN THESE STORAGE UNIT PLACES WILL HAVE THEIR SALES AND THAT A BIG EVENT.
YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS.
MY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT IS THAT, UM, HAVE WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 35 YEARS.
IT'S GONE FROM A COUPLE OF PIG FARMERS TO THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN A WAY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALL HOUSES THAT ARE OVER THERE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM WINDBROOK THEY'RE HERE, RIGHT? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THIS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, SORRY.
UH, SO THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED AS WELL.
HOWEVER, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS IF THERE'S NOT A QUIET STORAGE UNIT THERE, WHAT COULD GO THERE? AND IF WE LOOK AHEAD, THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH NOISIER, MUCH BUSIER THAN STORAGE UNITS AND A LOT MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT THAT COULD BE THERE AT A GAS STATION, CONVENIENT FOOD PLACE, A USED CAR, LOT LOTS OF THINGS THAT COULD BE THERE THAT ARE NOT NEARLY AS QUIET OR AS, UH, COMPACT.
HOWEVER, I THINK HAS COMPACTNESS IS STARTING TO WEAR A LITTLE BIT ON HIS PLAN BECAUSE HE'S NOW GOT AN EIGHT FOOT BERM TO DEAL WITH HIS 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY TO NOW BECOME A 45 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
I THINK HE'S GOING TO HAVE ONE ROW OF STORAGE UNITS THERE TO MAKE IT ALL FIT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THIS.
SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS WORKING AGAINST WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING TO DO.
HOWEVER, WHAT ELSE COULD GO THERE? ASK THE FOLKS OF WINDBROOK TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
WHAT ELSE COULD GO THERE AND WHAT IS THIS? NOT, NOT A BAD SOLUTION FOR THAT EIGHT ACRES? I AGREE.
THE WATER TOP OF THE WATER TOWER ACCESS IS PROBABLY A GOOD PLACE TO GO.
THERE ARE MANY DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE RIGHT IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC TURNING IN THERE'S ONE, RIGHT OPPOSITE WHEN RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT.
SO THERE'S STOP AND GO TRAFFIC ON 40 RIGHT THERE, INCLUDING MY DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SENATE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING ON, STARTING AND STOPPING ON ROUTE 40.
THE ONE THING I DO WORRY ABOUT THOUGH, AS FAR AS FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, IT'S REALLY THEIR FIRST DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES UP AGAINST ROUTE 40, WHERE THE HISTORIC HIGHWAY
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AND MY, MY HOUSE WAS BUILT BY THE WRIGHT BROTHERS.UM, IT'S A HISTORIC ROAD, IF YOU WILL.
UM, OFF OF 2 0 1, 2 0 2 HUBER HEIGHTS, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS HAS SOME VERY NICE ENTRANCE SIGNS COMING INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS, VERY WELL DONE.
AND THEN THE WHOLE BOULEVARD WAS DONE VERY WELL WITH THE BERMS THAT ARE EXCELLENT.
AND WITH THE BIKE PATHS ALONG THERE, UM, IT'S JUST DONE WELL, THE BOULEVARD, THE TREES VERY WELL DONE.
HOWEVER, WE'RE GETTING UP THROUGHOUT 40 NOW.
AND WHY DOESN'T THAT GET THE SAME KIND OF ADDRESSING BECAUSE AS SOONER OR LATER, THE HUBER HEIGHTS WILL MOVE ACROSS 40 AND THEN HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING ROUTE 40 UP AND DOWN THE LENGTH ABOUT 40? SHOULD WE DO IT LIKE THE PARKWAY? OR SHOULD WE BACK IT UP WITH MORE INDUSTRIAL THINGS LIKE WATER TOWERS, STORAGE UNITS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS TO DEAL WITH AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEVELOP AND WORK OUR WAY ALONG ROUTE 40 AND DO IT SUCCESSFULLY.
AND A PART OF YOUR COVENANTS ARE, YOU KNOW, TIE IN SIDEWALKS, TIE IN PEDESTRIAN WAYS.
ROUTE 40 COULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR A BIKE PATH.
IT COULD TIE IN WITH THE BIKE PATH THAT GOES DOWN TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS AND MAKE A NICE LOOP AROUND THE WHOLE THING.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH 45 FOOT RIGHT AWAY OR TRYING TO USE THAT EIGHT ACRES AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME LOGISTICS THERE TO TAKE CARE OF AS WELL AS TRYING TO TIE IN WITH THE REST OF THE AREA.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
MY NAME IS CAMI MASON, LIKE DALE'S WIFE, AND WE'VE BEEN PLACES THAT THEY HAVE DARK SKY LIGHTING.
AND SO ALL THE LIGHT SHINES DOWN TO THE GROUND LIGHTS ONLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE LIT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE SKYLIGHT UP OR YOU DON'T SIT IN YOUR BACKYARD AND SEE LIGHTS BLARING IN YOUR EYES.
BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THAT CLOSE TO ALL THESE PEOPLE, THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION FROM ALL THE LIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THAT'S UH, THAT THEY, THEY MAKE THE CUTOFF FIXTURES THAT, UH, POINTS DIRECTS THINGS DOWN THAT A LOT OF THE FACILITIES HAVE THAT TYPE OF THING.
MY NAME IS HOLLY BATON AND I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING.
I WAS WONDERING, IS IT A 24 HOUR OPERATION? CAUSE THAT WAS ASKED AND NOT REALLY ANSWERED.
AND THEN ALSO, DO YOU HAVE AUCTIONS? YES OR NO? WE HAVE OUR ONLINE, HAVE YOU WITH THE MICROPHONE FOR RECORDING PURPOSES? I THINK THAT THE SHOW YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO IS LIKE THE TV SHOW.
IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WE, IF YOU GO ONLINE, YOU CAN LOOK AT STORAGE, TREASURES.COM OR STORAGE OPTIONS.COM.
SO NO ONE COMES TO THE FACILITY.
YOU LOOK AT A PICTURE, THROW YOUR BEST NUMBER AT IT.
AND IF YOU WIN, YOU GET TO COME AND READ THROUGH ALL THE JOBS.
IS IT A 24 HOUR? THERE ARE SOME UNITS THAT HAVE 24 HOUR ACCESS, BUT MOST DON'T OKAY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO'VE WORKED ODD SHIFTS AND THEY DO COME IN.
BUT LIKE I SAY, IT'S, UM, WE KNOW MORE ABOUT OUR TENANTS THAN, THAN YOU KNOW ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS.
YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED, SORRY.
UM, ONE LAST QUESTION AND THAT THIS IS TO THE COUNCIL.
SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CONVERSATION TODAY IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A SECONDARY EXIT POINT.
SO EVEN IF YOU UTILIZE THE ROAD THAT GOES BEHIND THE WATER TOWER, WHAT WOULD BE THE SECONDARY EXIT POINT? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IS THAT THEN GO TO BE DESENA AND THEN WE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM OF TRAFFIC ON CENTER.
SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THAT.
SO, BECAUSE IT'S FIRE CODE, THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT, UM, AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AN OPTION COULD BE TO DESENA AS EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY.
AND IT COULD BE DESIGNED WHERE IT'S THE GRASS PAVERS.
SO YOU DON'T EVEN SEE A DRIVEWAY COMING OFF THAT THERE'S A GATE THERE THAT'S OPEN, HAS A, WHAT'S CALLED A KNOX LOCK THAT ONLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS TO.
SO ONLY IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT IT GETS USED.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE USED BY JUST THE AVERAGE USER OF THE FACILITY.
HAS THE COMMITTEE ALSO CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD A FIRE, A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN FROM OUR PLACE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND
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THERE WAS TROUBLE WITH THE FIRE GETTING ENOUGH WATER PRESSURE FOR THAT FIRE.SO WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER FACILITY WITH, WE ALREADY HAD THE WATER TOWER, BUT WE STILL HAVE WATER ISSUES OVER THERE.
SO YOU ADD ANOTHER FACILITY WITH INDOOR, UM, UH, WATER SPRINKLERS.
AND SO THAT'S A CONCERN FOR US, ESPECIALLY I HAVE A HANDICAPPED DAUGHTER.
MY DAUGHTER IS IN THAT FIRE I'M IN TROUBLE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE I'M GOING TO HAVE.
AND SO IT IS A BIG CONCERN TO MY FAMILY.
SO NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD LISTEN TO THAT CONCERN AND MAYBE LOOK AT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE SITUATIONS OVER THERE.
SO THE, THE CITY JUST, I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, JUST WENT PUT IN A NEW HIGH PRESSURE ZONE NORTH OF 70 THAT INCREASED ALL THE PRESSURES NORTH OF 70.
UM, AND WE'VE DONE SOME TESTING UP AT WINDBROOK THAT WE SAW THE GAINS THERE.
SO IF YOU ARE STILL HAVING SOME ISSUES, PLEASE CONTACT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THERE'S A VALVE CLOSED, OR THERE'S SOMETHING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT EVERYTHING NORTH OF 70 WAS BOOSTED, UM, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN A DIFFERENCE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
BUT IF YOU DIDN'T, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S RIGHT.
I BELIEVE THE FIRE WAS EVEN MORE RECENT THAN THAT.
SO IT WAS CONCERNING JUST AS A NEIGHBOR.
I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THEY WERE PULLING IN EXTRA TRUCKS AND STUFF.
SO THAT IS A CONCERN AS A FAN, AS A PERSON.
SO THANK YOU WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TOO.
THEY'LL HAVE SOME RECORDS TO GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANYONE ELSE? SHE ALSO IN THE BACK WELCOME.
MY NAME'S DAVID FRANK, F R A AND K IS THE LAST NAME.
UH, SCOTT, YOU KIND OF JUST KIND OF CRUISED OVER IT EARLIER ABOUT THE FEW LIKE FACILITIES IN THE LOCAL AREA.
THAT'S ACTUALLY 11 WITHIN THE THREE MILE AREA, THE TYPE OF FACILITY, SIR.
I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO BRING BUSINESS INTO THE AIR AND I APPRECIATE YOU AS A BUSINESS MAN.
HOWEVER, I DISAGREE WITH YOU 99.9%.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC.
SO I TOSSED AND TURNED ON THIS LAST NIGHT WITH MY FELLOW RESIDENTS.
UM, WHAT VALUE DOES THIS ADD TO THE COMMUNITY? EVERYTHING A REALTOR'S GOING TO HEAR IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS NICE HOUSE, BUT LOOK AT THE LOCATION.
AND YOU, SIR, DO YOU HAVE STORAGE NEAR YOUR, YOUR HOUSE WHERE YOU LIVE VISIT? JASON, DOES IT COME RIGHT UP TO YOUR BACKYARD? CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT FOR THESE PEOPLE'S FENCE.
SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER ON IN PRIVATE, IF YOU'D LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALSO AN ISSUE.
YOU REMEMBER THAT THE HUGE FLOOD, UH, I THINK IT WAS IN 2017 WHEN WE HAD FOUR INCHES OF RAIN IN AN HOUR THAT FLOODED I 70.
YOU REMEMBER THAT THAT ALSO FILLED OUR RETENTION POND TO CAPACITY.
YOU COULD HAVE DONE TROUT FISHING THAT NIGHT THAT TOOK FOUR INCHES OF RAIN TO FILL THAT TO CAPACITY IN LESS THAN AN HOUR, THE EPA JUST RESTRICTED THE OUTFLOW ON THAT DRAIN TO AN 18 INCH PIPE RATHER THAN A 36 INCH PIPE.
SO NOW THAT FEELS TO CAPACITY AND OVERFLOWS INTO THE BACKUP DRAIN WITH A HALF INCH OF RAIN ADDING THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WITH CONCRETE AND ADDING THAT INTO THE SEWERS WILL, THIS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
AND BACK TO THE TOPIC OF WATER PRESSURE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE DIDN'T SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OVER 800 HOMES BETWEEN 2 0 1 AND 2 0 2.
IT WAS DESIGNED FOR A GOLF COURSE AND WE DIDN'T CATCH UP.
NOW HERE'S MY QUESTION TO YOU AS A GROUP, HAVE, HAVE WE DONE SOMETHING TO OFFEND YOU? AND I DON'T MEAN TO GET OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT.
I CAN TAKE A SHOWER UPSTAIRS IN MY SHOWER, OR I CAN GO DOWN INTO THE KITCHEN SINK AND USE THE SPRAYER AND GET VIRTUALLY THE SAME PRESSURE.
IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR 10 YEARS, BUT IT'S OKAY.
AND THEN YOU STARTED BUILDING A MONOLITH OF A WATER TOWER.
IT'S PRETTY, BUT I DON'T LIKE SEEING IT EVERY DAY AND NEITHER DO THE RESIDENTS HERE, BUT WE, WE THOUGHT FOR A MOMENT THAT PERHAPS, HEY, MAYBE THAT'LL FIX THE WATER PRESSURE PROBLEM.
IT WAS FOR DOWN ON AN EXECUTIVE.
SO WE GOT THE EYESORE AND EVERYONE ELSE REAPS THE BENEFIT.
NOW I'M GOING TO PUT FORTH THE MOTION AT THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE TAKE THIS EIGHT ACRES AND TURN IT INTO GREEN SPACE AS A BUFFER, AS AN APOLOGY FOR THE WATER TOWER, FOR THE WATER PRESSURE, THIS WILL BRING PRIME.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT PROVIDES ANY VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS STILL BLOSSOMING AND WILL ONLY CAUSE HARM WHETHER DIRECT OR INDIRECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR CRIME STATISTICS, IT BREEDS CRIME, ALL THE
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11 UNITS WITHIN A THREE MILE AREA, WHICH ARE BY THE WAY, WE CONTACTED THEM AND THEY ARE NOT AT FULL CAPACITY AND MAKING A PROFIT CURRENTLY, WHICH ALSO BEGS WHY THE NECESSITY FOR THIS AND WHO IS GOING TO USE IT.SO I WANT THAT TO BE IN CONSIDERATION WHEN THIS DOES COME BACK ONTO THE DOCKET AND I WILL BE HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
IF I, IF I COULD, I WOULD ASK YOU ALSO TO, UH, LET LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT WATER PRESSURE OFFLINE, BECAUSE NOW IF, IF, IF THERE WASN'T A DIFFERENCE THAT YOU'RE NOTICING YOUR HOUSE, WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, SO YOU ASKED IF WE'VE OFFENDED.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT COMMENT IS COMING FROM, BUT, BUT, UM, THE POINT IS TO IMPROVE THE WATER PRESSURES.
THAT WAS THE POINT OF DOING THAT PROJECT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO PLEASE LET'S CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION.
MAY I SPEAK AGAIN, PLEASE? MY NAME IS HOLLY BATON.
I JUST WOULD ASK THAT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THIS COMES UP AGAIN, THAT WE DON'T GET AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON A SATURDAY BEFORE A MEETING ON A TUESDAY.
SO WE GOT SOMETHING IN THE MAIL ON SATURDAY AND IT'S OUR FIRST ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF EVEN WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO THAT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY.
AND ALSO THERE ARE OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY THOSE NEW HOUSES OF CARRIE'S TROLLS THAT WERE NOT EVEN NOTIFIED AND THAT AFFECTS THEM TOO.
SO WHEN YOU THINK OF DEVELOPING THAT LAND, WE NEED TO CONSIDER EVERYBODY AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT ENCOURAGES COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, NOT JUST, UH, MAKES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE IT'S DONE UNDER THE ROGUE.
UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE CITY CODE IS THAT WHEN THERE'S THIS KIND OF THING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY A 200 FOOT RADIUS, WE DIDN'T NOTIFY THE WHOLE WINDBROOK DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DID NOT GO FURTHER THAN THAT.
SCOTT, ARE THERE COMMENTS JUST OKAY.
JANE AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, GENERAL.
NO, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DONE.
I JUST HAD, I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM TO GO.
I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT AROUND THE WATER PRESSURE AND THE I'M A CARRIAGE DROVES RESIDENT.
SO I, I, I LIVED WITH THAT AS WELL, AND I HAVE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY IS, BUT IT HAS IMPROVED IN OUR AREA.
SO WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT THE WATER PRESSURE AND TALKING TO THE COMMISSION LIVE UP THERE, SO I AM, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? MY NAME IS MEGAN WOOTEN, W O O T E N.
UM, I KNOW THAT HE MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY AUCTIONS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE SEEN SIGNS FOR AUCTIONS.
A NUMBER OF TIMES ON AT LEAST THE ONE THAT IS ON BRAND.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET CONFIRMATION THAT THERE WON'T BE AUCTIONS BECAUSE OUR CHILDREN PLAY OVER THERE? UM, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT STRANGERS TO THE AREA TO BE PARKED.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS THAT IF THERE'S NOT A PARKING SPACE THERE, I WOULD ASSUME BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE PARKING ON CENTER, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN ENTRANCE, I COULD ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT THAT WOULD BE A THING IF THERE WAS SAY AN AUCTION.
UM, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A STORAGE UNIT WITHOUT AUCTIONS BEFORE.
SO I GUESS, IS THERE A WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T FLOOD INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, FOR ONE AND TWO TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT DAVE SAID, I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO A REALTOR AND HER ANSWER TO ME WHEN I SAID, WILL THIS AFFECT PROPERTY VALUE IS, WAS ABSOLUTELY IT WILL AFFECT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, THINK ABOUT BUYING A HOME.
THESE ARE ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.
SO IF YOU WERE TO BE LOOKING FOR A HOME AND THE ONES THAT BACKUP TO THIS STORAGE FACILITY, WOULD YOU BE MORE LIKELY TO BUY THAT OR ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 10 HOUSES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT WILL ABSOLUTELY AFFECT THE, UH, THE VALUES OF THOSE HOMES.
AND I ACTUALLY LOOKED ONLINE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY LITERATURE ON THIS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T PUT STORAGE FACILITIES IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS.
SO THERE IS NO LITERATURE ON IT TO SHOW HOW, OR TO WHAT EXTENT IT WOULD ACTUALLY AFFECT IT.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, USUALLY THEY'RE IN MORE RURAL AREAS, IT WILL BACK UP TO PROPERTIES, BUT NOT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WHERE YOU HAVE, WE HAVE 30 HOMES OURSELVES, AND THERE'S ANOTHER A HUNDRED PLUS HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN THE OTHER TWO PHASES.
IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT AREA FOR A STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT OUR HOMES ARE ACTUALLY TWO STORY HOMES.
SO REGARDLESS OF OFFENSE, REGARDLESS OF, UH, LANDSCAPING OR A BERM,
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YOU ARE STILL GOING TO SEE THIS FACILITY AT NIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LIGHTS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE METAL ROOFS.SO IN MY OPINION, THE AESTHETICS OF THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUES, NOT JUST THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU WILL SEE IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO TO MAKE A BUFFER.
UM, AND MY, MY OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS JUST THAT I KNOW THAT IT WAS ZONED AS COMMERCIAL, BUT I FAILED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE IN THAT AREA.
UM, THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS TO CONVERT IT, BUT I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE SOME VERSION OF A GREEN SPACE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE CARRIAGE PROMISED GREEN SPACE.
SO WHEN, AND AS ANOTHER RESIDENT SAID, WHEN YOU DRIVE IN THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS GOING TO BE A STORAGE FACILITY, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T GET THE SAME.
UM, GRACE, I GUESS, AS HAVING A NICE ENTRANCE, THE SAME WAY THAT THEY DO ON A 2 0 1 AND 2 0 2.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE CONTINUALLY MAKING IT LESS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, WHICH IN MY OPINION WOULD AFFECT THE VALUES AS WELL.
SO THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT, YOU KNOW, DOWN FURTHER INLAND AND CARRIAGE, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE WORTH A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THE AESTHETICS OF IT THEY'RE CRAMMED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN YOU WANT TO PUT A STORAGE FACILITY RIGHT.
SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER GOES IN THERE, REGARDLESS OF ODOD RESTRICTIONS OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, THERE SHOULD BE AN ACCESS POINT ON 40, REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES THERE.
UM, THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, UH, DAYCARE.
WE HAVE NO DAYCARES, UM, YOU KNOW, A COFFEE SHOP.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE INCREASED TRAFFIC, BUT IF YOU DID IT RIGHT, IT WOULD TAKE UP LESS SPACE.
AND THEN THE ENTRANCE COULD BE ON 40, UM, SOMETHING LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE ARE OVERRUN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A DIVIDE BETWEEN THE BETHEL SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND OUR SECTION, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT IN CARRIAGE, BECAUSE WE'RE TECHNICALLY HUBER.
UM, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE THIS, IN MY OPINION, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF RESALE VALUE.
AND THEN ALSO THE FACT THAT IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A CHILDREN'S PARK THAT WE MAINTAIN.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT FOR THE AREA, IN MY OPINION.
AND I, AND I URGE YOU TO, TO KEEP THOSE COMMENTS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT, HOW YOU WOULD FEEL IF THEY BUILT THIS IN YOUR BACKYARD WHEN YOU HAVE A, ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOME.
I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, COMMENTS FROM NEAR THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'VE TAKEN THE NOTES AND WE'LL CONTINUE.
AND LIKE I SAID, UH, IF, UH, IF THEY DO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SET UP A PRE MEETING, UM, BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE DISCUSSION OR LIKE A TOWN HALL, UM, AT THAT ONE TIME EDNA WHERE WE REACHED HER, WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAD QUESTIONS? I DIDN'T.
OH, I'M THIS SOMEBODY, NO, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, MY NAME IS MONIQUE ALL'S HOUSE.
UH, LAST NAME SPELLED A L L S H O U S E.
UM, AND YOU GUYS HAVE AN EMAIL FOR ME, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE PACKET THERE.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION, AS, AS MISS MEGAN SAID, UM, WE ACTUALLY PURCHASED OUR HOME ONLINE FROM NORTH DAKOTA.
SO WHEN, WHEN HE GOT ORDERS TO TRANSFER HERE, WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING ONLINE HOUSES WERE GOING SO FAST.
SO WE, WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE BASED ON THE PICTURES THAT WE COULD FIND, UM, THE PICTURES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US.
I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I WOULD NEVER HAVE CONSIDERED A HOUSE THAT HAD A STORAGE FACILITY IN THE BACKYARD BOTTOM LINE.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE I HAVE A BIASED IN THAT DIRECTION AND MAYBE A STORAGE FACILITY IS FANTASTIC, BUT IT'S PUBLIC RECORD.
I PAID $300,000 FROM MY HOUSE.
AND I WOULD'VE MISSED OUT ON ALL OF THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE WORTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, I JUST ASK THAT AGAIN, THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT WHEN THIS COMES BACK UP AND WHAT WOULD WORK BEHIND THE FEAR BEHIND, BECAUSE OUR HOUSE IS RIGHT UP AGAINST SO, AND STORY.
SO REGARDLESS OF HOW THE BUFFER LOOKS AND EVERYTHING, I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT MY BACK WINDOW AT A STORAGE FACILITY.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN, I'M GOING TO WRITE MY NAME HERE.
I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF, UH, OF INFORMATION FROM YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, UH, FOR COMING AND SHARING WITH US.
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QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR SCOTT, BECAUSE WHAT HAD COME UP BEFORE ABOUT THIS BEING AT THE DETAILED STAGE, IS THERE, IS IT BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED COMMERCIAL USE THAT IT WENT STRAIGHT TO THE DETAILED INSTEAD OF HAVING A BASIC YES.UH IT'S BECAUSE BACK IN THE 2005 HOUSE APPROVED, YEAH, I HAVE NO COMMENT.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? JUST SO THERE'S NOTHING, NO VOTE ON, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, WITHDRAWN THEIR APPLICATION.
UH, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU SEND SOMETHING IN WRITING TOMORROW SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE FILE.
CAN WE WE'LL GO TO ITEM D, WHICH IS A MINOR THINGS OKAY.
THE APPLICANT CAMPBELL BERLIN LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR SIGNAGE AT OAKS SECTION NINE, ZONING CASE TWO ONE DASH THREE.
SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE, UH, ENTRANCE SIGNAGE OFF OF FISHBURG ROAD FOR THE OAKS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, SECTION NINE.
UH, SO THE, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED.
CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN ONGOING.
THE STREETS ARE IN HOUSES, ARE BEING BUILT.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR THAT ENTRANCE SIGNAGE THAT COMES OFF OF FISHBURG GROVE.
SO THE REQUEST IS TO LOCATE THE SIGN 16 FEET FROM THE FISHBERG ROAD, RIGHT OF WAY, AND 12 FEET FROM THE SILVER OAK WAY, A RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE.
UM, THE, OUR STANDARD CODE IS 15 FEET FROM RIDEAWAY LINES.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OFF FITCHBURG ROAD, BUT A LITTLE CLOSER TO SILVER OAK, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
I WILL MENTION THAT, UH, ALONG FITCHBURG ROAD, THERE IS, UH, THE MOUNDING THAT WILL BE THERE THAT, UH, IS, WAS APPROVED THAT THIS SIGN BEING A LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, STAFF FELT THAT IT WAS ACCEPTABLE.
SO IT DOESN'T PUSH INTO ANY OF, UH, THE LANDSCAPING MOUNTING THAT WOULD BE ALONG FISHBURG ROAD.
THE SIGN ITSELF FOR THE ASSIGNED BASE WOULD BE 10 FEET.
AND WITH, WITH AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF SIX FEET, THE SIGN FACE ITSELF IS FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES WIDE BY TWO FEET, SIX INCHES, TALL SIGN AREA WOULD BE 11 AND A QUARTER SQUARE FEET PER SIDE.
UH, THE, UH, ALSO THE SIGN WOULD NOT BE LOCATED OVER ANY UTILITY LINES AND LANDSCAPING WILL BE PLACED AROUND THE SIGN.
UH, SO AS NOT TO BLOCK ANY SIGHT, DISTANCE OF THE INTERSECTION, OUR STANDARD CODE FOR A GROUND SIGN IS, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 75 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET TALL.
SO THIS FITS WITHIN OUR STANDARD SIGN CODE AS WELL.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE DEPICTION OF WHERE THAT LOCATION IS.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR.
THIS IS JUST PART OF THE OAKS, RIGHT? YES.
IS THERE A REASON FOR THE DIFFERENT NAME AT THE DIFFERENT, SO, UM, A DIFFERENT BUILDER CAME IN FOR THIS SECTION AND WITH THAT THEY HAVE A DESIGNATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A DIFFERENT NAME TO IT, BUT FROM A CITY PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, IT'S STILL PART OF THE OVERALL OAKS OF HUBER HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION.
IS IT THE SAME HOA THEY HAVE? THEY HAVE NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY STILL HAVE NOT AGREED TO ENTER INTO THE SAME HLA EXCEPT SECOND ONE, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS, BUT I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, IF THEY HAVEN'T, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WOULDN'T THAT BE THE INDICATION THERE ISN'T, UM, THAT'S MY CONCERN AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE THIS APPEARS TO BE A WOODEN SIGN AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WOOD DOES TEND TO DETERIORATE OVER THE YEARS.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF YEARS OUT, BUT IT WILL NEED PAINT OR STAIN IN FUTURE YEARS.
AND IF THE HOA HAS NOT YET BEEN ESTABLISHED,
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UH, HAVE WE HEARD THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE ON? SO YES, THERE, THERE WILL BE AN HOA.THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ANSWERING IS WHETHER THEY JOINED THE ILL, IT'D BE THE SEPARATE ONE OR JOIN YOU.
THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT JOINING WITH THE REST OF IT, BUT YES, THERE, THERE IS AN HOA BECAUSE THERE'S THE, UH, THE OPEN SPACE, LOTS.
IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, THAT, UH, TO BE MAINTAINED AS WELL, AND THIS WILL BE PART OF THEIR MAINTENANCE FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, AS WE HAVE SEEN IN A, ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, LET'S SAY SOMEWHERE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, IF THE HLA GOES AWAY, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE.
SO IT COMES DOWN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT WAS, I WAS JUST CONFUSED ON THE OAKS VERSUS SILVER OAKS ON WHY? I MEAN, I KNOW UP IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, BUT OVER IN THE OAKS, I HADN'T SEEN ANY OF THEM.
IT WAS JUST OF THE OAK SECTION NINE, THAT A DESIGNATION JUST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO, THEY DIFFERENT BUILDER CAME IN OF COURSE.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STEP TO THE MICROPHONE.
AND I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE PLAN SIGNAGE FOR THE OAKS.
THE HANDOUT THAT I JUST PROVIDED YOU HAS SCREENSHOTS FROM THE DR.
PORT AND WEBSITE THAT DETAILS THEIR PROJECT, SILVER OAKS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
THE PICTURE THAT THEY SHOW THE FIRST PAGE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ENTRY MONUMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OAK RIDGE DRIVE AT THE CORNER OF VALPO.
SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THEIR DRAWING, MR. PAUL, KELSEY, DO YOU MIND SWITCHING THE SHEET? WHEN I LOOKED AT THEIR DRAWING, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT IT'S JUST TWO WOODEN POSTS IN A HANGING SIGN.
CONSIDERING THE PICTURE THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE WEBSITE IS A LOVELY BRICK AND STONE MONUMENT THAT IS BOTH ILLUMINATED AND LANDSCAPED.
AND IN FACT, THERE ARE TWO MONUMENTS, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET AT THE ENTRANCE.
SO SINCE THEY USE THIS, AND WHILE I REALIZE MR FELT CASCADE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MATCH EXACTLY.
BUT I WAS SURPRISED THAT SINCE THEY USE THIS PICTURE IN THEIR PUBLICITY, I THOUGHT THE MONUMENT MIGHT BEAR SOME RESEMBLANCE TO THIS AND BRING OUR WHOLE PUD TOGETHER AS A UNIT.
EVEN IF IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME, IT STILL WOULD BRING IT ALL TOGETHER.
MY HOPE IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL REQUIRE SOME KIND OF COORDINATED EFFORT TO ACHIEVE THAT IT IS PLANT NINE OF THE OAKS.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU WON'T APPROVE.
WHAT'S CURRENTLY SKETCHED UP THERE.
I ALSO INCLUDED THE SECOND PICTURE, WHICH IS PARK.
AND THAT PARK IS AT THE CORNER OF OAK RIDGE AND WHITE OAK.
HORTON HAS SEEN FIT TO PUT THIS PARK PICTURE ALSO IN THEIR PUBLICITY.
I HOPE THAT WHEN THE FINAL COMES TO THE CITY FOR THIS PARK, THAT YOU ALSO MAKE IT AS NICE OR EVEN NICER THAN OURS.
AND THAT OUR NEW NEIGHBORS THAT WILL BE LIVING IN SILVER OAKS WILL COME TO ENJOY WHATEVER THEIR NEW PART IS.
AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST AN EMPTY LOT, BUT IT IS INDEED ALIEN SKATE PARK.
CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I KNOW IT'S JUST A SIGN, BUT AGAIN, I WAS SURPRISED IN THEIR PUBLICITY THAT THEY SHOWED A LOVELY MONUMENT.
AND THEN I SAW THIS IN THE PLANS, NOTHING
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HAVING SPOKEN TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES.I DIDN'T SEE THIS UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
AND THAT WAS ONLY BECAUSE OF NANCY BERG FORWARDED IT TO ME.
I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE AT ALL.
AND I WAS VERY SURPRISED THAT THIS IS WHAT CAME UP.
IT'S UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER UNDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING PAGE.
I HAD TO USE, I HAD TO USE THE LINK THAT YOU SENT US THE OTHER DAY TO PULL IT UP TODAY.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THE ONE YEAR OF DOING THAT, I RAN INTO THAT EARLIER AND HAD TO GO BACK TO THE EMAIL YOU SENT US, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME RESIDENTS FROM WINDBROOK COPIED SOME THINGS FROM IT, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
SO, UM, THAT'S MAYBE IT'S SOUTH OF 70 BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE WAIT UNTIL THE DELAY HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY HAVE ONE, THEY'RE JUST NOT COMBINED, BUT THIS IS THERE A REASON IT'S GOT WHERE THE SIGNAGE ISN'T.
IS THERE A REASON THAT THIS IS WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED? UM, WHAT'S ON A WEBSITE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS.
AND I MADE SURE THAT I TOOK YOU DOWN THE PICTURE.
YOU CAN SEE MY LOVELY ROSE COMPUTER.
I TRIED EARLIER AND I COULDN'T GET THE PACKET 9 28, 21 MEETING PACKET.
I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I READ MS. BARGO WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.
I MEAN, I THINK OUR MONUMENTS BEEN OUT FOR 15 YEARS.
IT'S MADE OUT OF STONE LANDSCAPERS, KEEP UP WITH IT.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I NOTICED IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE IT'S NOT STONE IT'S WOOD JUST SHOWS US THAT THEY WOULD ACROSS THE TOP.
SO ANY QUESTIONS I CAN, UH, I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE SIGNAGE, WE JUST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT ON THE FLOW THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ON OTHER CASES.
AND IN THIS CASE, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE SIGNAGE SHOULD FLOW THE SAME STREETS.
YOU CAN GO FROM THE ONE ENTRANCE ALL THE WAY OUT.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE BUILDER'S GOING TO BALK TOO MUCH ABOUT PUTTING IN A BETTER SIGN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO COST THEM A FORTUNE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD, I WOULD THINK IF WE CABLE THIS WELL, THE APPLICANTS YOU'RE LIKE YOU CAN ASK.
UM, I'M LOOKING ON THE WEB PAGE FOR THE DEER HORTON MARKETING FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW DEEP IT IS, BUT I'M, I DON'T SEE IT.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT THERE.
I JUST I'M ON THEIR WEBPAGE RIGHT NOW.
SO ANYWAY, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, THIS WAS THE SIGN THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL.
AND, UM, I'LL GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AS DRAMATIC AS THIS PICTURE THAT WAS HANDED OUT.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN LOOK AT, AT SOME STONE COLUMNS, I THINK IT'LL BE CONCEPTUALLY THE SAME SIGN AND MAYBE REPLACE THE WOOD WITH SOME BRICK OR STONE, BUT WE WILL REVISIT THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE LOCATION, SO AT LEAST WE CAN NARROW THAT DOWN, BUT WITH, WITHOUT, AND THEN COME BACK, UM, WITH A DIFFERENT, UM, DETAILED SIGNED PLAN, UM, OR IF WE JUST TABLE IT AND REVISIT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY IS, IS THE OTHER OPTION.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT LOCATION IS OKAY AND THE SIZE OF THE SIGN IS OKAY, THE MATERIALS ARE QUESTIONABLE.
UM, SO I'LL GIVE OPTIONS OF HOW THIS WORKS.
ONE, APPROVE IT AS, AS IS TO DENY IT COMPLETELY.
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IT AND WAIT TO SEE COMPLETE NEW DRAWING.THE CONCERN ABOUT APPROVE OFFICIALLY APPROVING THE LOCATION IS NOT KNOWING HOW A MATERIAL CHANGE MAY CHANGE THE SIZE A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.
UM, BUT THINKING YOU CAN GIVE PLANET CON MISSION CAN GIVE, YOU'RE NOT VOTING, BUT YOU CAN GIVE YOUR ADVICE OF THE LOCATION APPEARS TO BE OKAY.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR IT.
OTHERWISE YOU COULD APPROVE THE LOCATION AND IN THE DECISION RECORD, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW THAT COULD BE WORDED.
THAT YOU'RE NOT, EXCUSE ME, SCOTT, WE'LL SIMPLIFY IT.
WE'LL JUST TABLE IT AND WE'LL COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND FROM THE LOCATION SIDE OF ME, WE CAN JUST SAY NO CLOSER THAN WHAT IS SUBMITTED OR I WOULD THINK, YEAH.
AND THEN I GUESS A QUESTION, I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY TIE, BOTH ENDS OF THE OAKS TOGETHER, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE AN ISSUE OF GOING TO A STONE LOOK, I KNOW THIS IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED INTO THE DRAWING AND RENDERING AND ALL THAT, BUT DO YOU SEE AN ISSUE THAT IS GOING TO BE A BIG, I, I DON'T, UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT A FEW TIMES.
W WHAT IS NOW, W W WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO PATCH? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE STEP STONE AND BRICK HARDY PLANK AND, AND, UH, LICK AND STICK STONE TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WHICH I HONESTLY, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW CAUSE WE'VE BEEN AROUND.
SO I THINK AGAIN, THERE'S JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT.
I SEE IT AS EITHER A BRICK OR A, MAYBE IT'S NOT ALL STONE.
MAYBE IT'S A STONE BASE WITH SOME WOOD DETAIL.
SO I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WOULD DOVETAIL INTO THE FINISHES THAT ARE CURRENTLY APPROVED.
AND I SEE THAT AS PROBABLY A LICK AND STICK TIGHT VENEER MAY, MAYBE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY ALL THE WAY UP.
SO THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO GO BACK AND SKETCH AND SEE WHAT EVERYBODY INVOLVED THINKS ABOUT.
LET'S LOOK AT THIS, LET'S LOOK AT THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS ABOUT MAKE SURE IT'S TIED INTO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD AGREE TONIGHT ON THE LOCATION? NO CLOSER THAN, AND WITH THIS MASONRY PRODUCTS, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, INSTEAD OF IT HAVING TO COME BACK THROUGH, OR WHEN DO WE NEED IT TO COME BACK AS A PUBLIC THAT'S UP TO PLANNING? WELL, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SCENARIO BECAUSE THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTAL AND THE TIME FOR A MEETING, I UNDERSTAND, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE AFTER.
IF WE CAN'T GET IT AT STAFF OF STAFF SAYS ON THAT.
LET'S GO BACK TO THE PLAN COMMISSION.
THAT WOULD BE A BETTER SCENARIO TO GET IT APPROVED AT STAFF.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION AT STAFF LEVEL, I MEAN, HE CAN DO IT AT A WORK SESSION.
DOES THIS LOOK OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD? I'D LIKE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
I DO A QUESTION FOR YOU REGARDING THE SIGN.
SO THIS APPEARS THE SIGN, THE RENDERING YOU HAVE UP HERE APPEARS THAT IT'S, UM, IT HANGS AND, AND SWINGS.
THE RENDERING HERE SHOWS THAT IT IS EMBEDDED IN, UM, LIKE IN THE BRICK OR THE STONE AREA.
SO I DO, LIKE, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING IF IT WAS EMBEDDED WHERE NOTHING SWINGS WHERE YOU HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE ROPES OR THE CHAINS OR WHATEVER YOU'RE USING TO RUST OR SO, I MEAN, THIS IS THE WAY IT LOOKS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS LIKE THE OAK.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT A SETTING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TYING IT TOGETHER.
THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
TH THAT IS, UH, I I'M, I GOTTA DO SOME HOMEWORK ON THIS.
WHERE'D THIS COME FROM THIS CUT AND PASTE AND IT'S, THIS IS NOT THE SIGN WE'RE ANSWERING FOR IT.
THAT'S THE SIGN WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.
IT, IT HANGS, BUT IT'S A STEEL FRAME AND IT'S ANCHORED TO THE TWO BY ABOVE IT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO, TWO BYS, TWO BY EIGHTS, I THINK, OR TWO BY TENS.
AND THE BRACKET IS WRAPPED AROUND THOSE TWO BY TENS.
AND IT'S A SOLID STEEL BRACKET.
IT'S NOT SUSPENDED BY ANY CHANGE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD RUST.
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UM, GOING BACK TO THE HOA, THERE IS AN HOA, THERE IS A DIFFERENT HOA AND THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MAINTENANCE.SO IT, IT WILL NOT BE EMBEDDED IN A COMPLETE BRICK WALL.
HOME IS WHAT WE'LL PURSUE OTHER COMMENTS.
ARE YOU, IF WE DID THE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH OR DO YOU FEEL THAT IT NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE? AND THEN I THINK SHE HAS A COMMENT ALSO.
SO I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS STAYED IN WANTING.
SO IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BE THE MOST EFFICIENT MOVE, WOULDN'T IT? YES.
WE HAVE, SHE HAS AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION, CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT THAT WAY, AND THAT'S FINE, THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT.
BUT THAT TAKES AWAY CITIZEN COMMENTS FROM WHATEVER THEY BRING UP, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD YOU DESCRIBE TWO DIFFERENT.
SO ONE OF THEM I CAN AGREE WITH AND ONE OF THEM, I DON'T REALLY AGREE.
IF WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF RUN IT BY OUR HOA OR SOMETHING, THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF CITIZEN COMMENT.
A LOT, MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS IF PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE IT TO BE SUBJECT TO STAFF'S APPROVAL.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN ITS PUBLIC RECORD SETTING, KNOWING THAT NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL FROM THE COMMENTS AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT YEAH, I ANSWER, IF SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, ADD A YELLOW POLE, THAT'S 12 FEET TALL ONTO IT.
I MAY SAY, NO, I KNOW THAT'S AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.
IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HURT AGAIN, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE COMING, AND IT'S, IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH WORKING WITH THE HOA OR HAVING IT BROUGHT BACK HERE PUBLICLY.
I DO AGAIN, I THINK EITHER ONE IS FINE AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING THE MORE EFFICIENT WAY SO THAT IT'S BETTER FOR THE BUILDER IS, IS FINE.
AS LONG AS AGAIN, IF YOU CAN RUN IT BY THE HOA AND JUST SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, I HAVE, I'M SATISFIED WITH PROVIDING INFORMATION.
IF THEY STILL WANT TO HAVE THAT WOODEN BEAM ACROSS THE TOP, UM, I WILL TAKE DIRECTION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION ON IF THERE'S ANY CRITERIA THAT ARE, UM, CAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT IT HAS THAT BLEND OF SOMETHING.
SO A SIMILAR STYLE, I'VE GOT TO GO OUT AND LOOK TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S OUT THERE.
THAT STONE I'M NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE STYLE WITH THEIR NOW, BUT THE MATERIALS COULD BE THAT THAT'S I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING AND USE THE MATERIALS MORE THAN THE STYLE IS PUT THE BIG PIECE.
COMMISSIONER IS WHAT IS YOUR DRUTHERS? YEAH.
SO I WILL HAVE TO, UH, COME UP WITH SOME WORDING HERE FOR, FOR AN AMENDED DECISION RECORD.
UM, SAY THAT THE SIGN PLANT SHOW BE MODIFIED AND REESE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH A DESIGN THAT THE WORK IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING OAKS SIGN OFF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD.
IS THAT SURE SCOTT, WE WERE HEADED DOWN THE ROAD OF COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SILVER OAKS.
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YEAH.THE, SO THE YOU'RE SAYING COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING SIGN, THAT'S PART OF THE OT HUBER HEIGHTS HOA.
AND I'M SAYING COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SIGN THAT IS PART OF SILVER OAKS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE FINISHES IN SILVER OAKS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SILVER OAKS HAS DIFFERENT FINISHES THAN THE OAKS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLIMENT THE 29 LOTS THAT ARE THE SILVER OAKS POD.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE FINISHES ARE NOT COMPLIMENTARY TO THE BUILDINGS, BUT TO THE EXISTING SIGN, THAT STYLES THOUGH, WHICH COULD, I I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN TO MAKE AN EDUCATED STATEMENT ABOUT THAT SIGN, ABOUT HOW THAT FINISH THAT STONEWORK WORKS HERE, NOT MATCHING A HOUSE STYLE IS THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT.
THAT, THAT WAS NOT THE WAY I INTERPRETED BOOKLET, WHATEVER, I GUESS WHATEVER WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT WAS JUST WHEN I HEARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COMPLIMENTARY THE SIGN OFF OF BELL POUT AND PHIL FONTANE IS THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE THAN THE ENTRANCE OF FISHBURG, BUT IT'S ONE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS TRY TO MATCH THE FINISHES OF THE EXISTING SITE.
AND I THINK WE WERE SAYING STYLISTICALLY SIMILAR, NOT EXACT RIGHT? YEAH.
MATERIALS, WHATEVER YOU MIGHT SAY.
I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT EXACT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I THINK YOU WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT, SO MATERIALS, I GET THAT, BUT ARE YOU SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DIFFERENT W THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ENTRANCE OBVIOUSLY, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT THIS, RIGHT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS, BUT MODIFYING THIS TO, OKAY, I GOT YOU, UM, THIS WEEK I'LL GO OUT AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE I SAID, WELL, WHATEVER WE SEND YOU, WELL, WE'LL SEND AND HOPE IT GETS DISTRIBUTED TO THE HOS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE SENT IT TO YOU AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? OKAY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
HE TRIED TO GET A HUNDRED PEOPLE AGREE ON SOMETHING AND IT'S DIFFICULT.
SO, BUT WE'LL BE VERY OPEN AND WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE'RE THINKING AND WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU GUYS WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE THINKING IF IT BECOMES, UM, CONTROVERSIAL, WE'LL COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
SO THE SIGNED PLAN SHALL BE MODIFIED AND RESUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH A DESIGN THAT IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING SIGN AT THE BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD ENTRANCE.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? DO YOU GET A SECOND? I NEED A SECOND.
BUT MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED MS. OP.
WE HAVE OUR OWN ITEM, EIGHT OF OUR AGENDA, ADDITIONAL BUSINESS CENTER.
UM, SO I HAVE JUST PUT TOGETHER, UM, A SET OF PICTURES AND I'VE GOT A LIST OF A HISTORY OF, UH, THE, THE HUBER CENTER THAT FAIR.
THIS WAS A REQUEST JUST FOR A DISCUSSION, UH, TOPIC OF THE HUBER CENTER AND, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT ON CERTAIN, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, SO, UH, WE'LL UH, A LOT OF THE, UM,
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APPROVALS THROUGH OVER THE YEARS WERE FOR MINOR CHANGES FOR SIGNS OR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE FARMER'S MARKET.THE HUBER CENTER ITSELF WAS BUILT SPEC, UM, PRIOR TO THE CITY BEING A CITY.
AND SO IT WAS BROUGHT INTO CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN EVENTUALLY IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY PLACED INTO A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO THERE WAS NOT A SUBMITTAL TO PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE ORIGINAL PLAN OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
LIKE IT WOULD TODAY IF IT WAS SUBMITTED.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WAS OUT THERE IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AND WHAT THE PLAN IS.
UM, SO I WILL GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE, THE PICTURES THAT ARE NOT THAT 24 OF THEM HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE, THE LATEST THING WAS THE SIGNAGE.
UH, THEY HAVE SIGNAGE UP AT BOTH ENTRANCES NOW.
UM, PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THAT SIGNAGE WAS SOME REPAVING WORK.
THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED THOSE, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO AS PART OF THAT.
SO THE CITY HAS NOT ISSUED A FINAL AND WILL NOT ISSUE A FINAL UNTIL THAT IS COMPLETE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS, UH, NOT DOESN'T HAVE A TENANTS OR ANYTHING UP THERE YET BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ON THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THERE ARE DOING SOME WORK OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, REDOING SOME OF THE CURB, UM, AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS.
SEE, SEE SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON.
THAT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE, UH, THE, THE CONTRACTORS TIMEFRAME, BUT, UH, WELL HE SAID, I CAN SAY THEY, THEY ARE DOING SOME WORK.
UM, I KNOW THIS YEAR AND I WAS GOING TO GET INTO SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING.
THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF REPLACEMENT OF SOME OF THE TREES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER CURB WORK THAT, UH, HAS BEEN DONE.
UM, I WILL CHECK ON, UM, A TIMEFRAME AND I WILL PASS THAT BACK ON OF WHAT I FIND OUT.
HERE'S JUST A LOOK IN A LOT OF THE PARKING LOT, LOOKS LIKE THIS, OR WORST OR BETTER, UM, THAT, UH, HAS SOME OF THE ALLIGATOR RING AND SOME OF THE CRACKING, UM, TO THE DISMAY OF A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION THIS, UM, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S CRACKED DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FORCE TO REPAIR.
UM, AND HERE'S JUST ANOTHER VIEW THAT SOME OF THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED, UM, THERE'S SOME ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE'S SOME CONCRETE WORK THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED RECENTLY THAT THEY ACTUALLY FINISHED.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WHERE THEY DID DO A LITTLE BIT OF COLD, COLD PATCHING IN, UH, UM, WITH POTHOLES, THEY HAVE BEEN UNDER VIOLATION OFF AND ON THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR, EVERY YEAR FOR POTHOLES METS, THE, UH, RESPONSE THAT BRINGS IT UP TO, UM, THAT MEETS CITY CODE.
UM, HERE'S A, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE NEW TREES THAT, UH, THEY DO HAVE THE, UH, THE RAIN BAGS ON THAT, UH, FOR WATERING AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE ALLIGATOR RING OF THE PAVEMENT ITSELF.
HERE'S SOME OF THE WORST AREAS WHERE THEY'VE DONE SOME OF THE PATCHING THAT IS, UH, NOT GOING TO LAST.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN AREAS THAT NEEDS COMPLETELY REDONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO, UM, THE, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT NOW, ONE, ESPECIALLY ABOUT SIGNAGE ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THE FINAL UNTIL THIS IS DONE.
UM, BUT THERE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET A TIMEFRAME FROM THEM.
AND THEN THIS IS THE, UH, THE SIGN THAT'S OUT ON BRENT PIKE, SAME THING.
AND THEN, UH, AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE CASES THAT CAME THROUGH, OR SOME OF THE SIGNAGE, A LOT OF THE NEW BUSINESSES, THEY ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 80% FULL.
UM, THERE'S STILL A COUPLE VACANT SPACES LIKE THE, THE END CAP WHERE JEROME WAS, WAS THAT STILL OPEN? AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER LITTLE ONES THROUGHOUT,
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UM, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.UH, THEY HAVE THERE, THERE STILL IS SOME.
AND, UH, SOME OF IT HAS BEEN TRIMMED AND KEPT UP.
SOME OF IT HAS NOT AS WELL AS OTHERS.
AND SOME OF, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE BUSHES ARE SHOWING THEIR LIFE THAT, UH, THAT'S, UH, IT'S ABOUT TIME TO REPLACE SOME OF THAT AND START OVER ON SOME OF THE BUSHES.
THEY HAVE REPLACED A LOT OF THE TREES, SO THERE, AND THEN THERE'S SOME AREAS HERE THAT, UH, HAVE, UH, DIED OFF THAT NEEDS MORE ATTENTION.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
WHEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, THE CERTIFICATES NOT SIGNED OFF AS COMPLETE YET, WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE BE, WHEN WILL THEY ASK FOR THAT? TYPICALLY NOW THE SIGNS UP THAT THEY WANT TO PUT SOMEBODY'S LOGO IN THERE, UH, THAT THEY TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THAT ALREADY.
SO THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE CURRENTLY WITH THE APPROVAL, CORRECT? I THINK WE GAVE THEM THREE DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY, WHICH HAS BEEN MY, IT IS NOT DONE YET, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR TIMEFRAME IS UP.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LAST YEAR.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN THE ENTIRE LOT, IS TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR WITH A TEAR OUT AND REPLACE THIRD EACH YEAR AND EXPIRES THE END OF THIS YEAR.
I HAVE, UNTIL THEY DID, THEY DID DO SOME REPAIR ON THE FAR END BY GET AIR OR AIR OR WHATEVER THAT IS DOWN THERE.
OH, THE LIBRARY IS JUST EVERY TIME I GO THERE, I JUST WANT TO CRY.
SO WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS THAT THE OWNERS OF THIS FACILITY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE? WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WHAT DOES THE CITY DO? WELL, THE, THE CONTINUING WITH THE VIOLATION PROCESS, AND ALSO NOT GIVING THE FINAL FOR THE SIGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO DOES ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE OWNER? UM, I'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, SEE WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATION, CAUSE HE HAS MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR MAINTENANCE PEOPLE.
SO DOES THIS, SO DO THEY GET FINED FOR THIS FOR NOT BEING IN COMPLIANT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, WE PUT THEM UNDER VIOLATION FOR, LET'S SAY A POTHOLE, UM, AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO FIX THAT POTHOLE IF THEY DON'T, THERE'S A THREE-STEP PROCESS, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, ANOTHER LETTER THAT A ONE DAY.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE CAN TAKE THEM TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD OR FILING INTO COURT.
HE'S DONE JUST BARELY ENOUGH TO GET BY.
IF WE HAD SIMILAR THING WITH THE PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT AT MARION MEADOWS AT THE LAST HOUR, WE WOULD GET SOME COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A POINT IN TIME THAT IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THAT THE CITY CAN STEP IN AND TAKE CARE OF THE WORK AND PUT IT ON THEIR TAX.
ARE WE, UM, THAT HAD BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, UM, ABOUT DOING PARKING LOT.
AND THE COST WAS VERY HIGH, HIGHER THAN WHAT THE BUDGET WAS FOR THAT.
AND THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD DECIDED NOT TO PROCEED PURSUANT ACTUALLY THEY, I THINK THEY PRESENTED IT TO THE COUNCIL TOO, TO SEE IF THEY WOULD, UH, TAKE CARE OF IT THAT WAY.
AND THE COUNCIL, UH, TURNED IT DOWN AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE PRICE THAT IT WOULD BE.
BUT YET AT THAT TIME HE PROMISED AND HIM AND HIS PROMISES OF BEING RIGHT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF TIME HE WOULD DO THIS, BUT THAT'S HIS CONTINUOUS, UM, WAY OF HANDLING THINGS BY PROMISING, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS PROMISING, I'M GOING TO DO THIS PROMISE THAT, BUT YET NOTHING GETS DONE AND CITY DOESN'T STEP IN.
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SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, THERE SHOULD BE A STOPPING POINT OF THIS, THOSE PROMISES.HE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANY PROMISE HE MAKES IS, UM, CHANCES ARE, IT WILL NOT COME TRUE.
IS THERE ANYTHING CITY CAN DO? I MEAN, CAUSE THAT'S AN EYESORE GOING THROUGH THE COURTS AND THAT'S GOOD HISTORICALLY.
UM, THE COURTS HAVE BEEN FORGIVING TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND GRANTING EXTENSIONS AND EXTENSIONS AND EXTENSIONS.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR BUSINESSES WILL START PULLING OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A, A VALID, YOU KNOW, A DECENT PARKING SPACE OR PARKING LOT.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RENT IS THERE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME CITY BUILDINGS THERE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE TAX OFFICE, YOU GOT THE WATER COMPANY.
I MEAN, WE'RE PAYING THIS, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY IS PAYING THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN RENT AND YOU WOULD THINK OUT OF RESPECT, HE WOULD GET THESE PROJECTS COMPLETE.
I MEAN, HAS THE CITY CONSIDERED PULLING THE TAX OFFICE AND PULLING THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND MOVING IT ELSEWHERE? WELL, IF YOU'VE PAID ATTENTION TO ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PROPERTY WE BOUGHT THAT, UH, THERE'S OPTIONS THERE.
AND IN THE LATEST LEASES, THERE WERE THINGS ABOUT IN FRONT OF WHERE THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS, WHERE THEY DID SEAL IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
ALSO PAID REDUCE RENT UNTIL THE SIGNS UP AND THE SIGNS NOT OFFICIALLY UP YET.
SO TAX OFFICES PAID, REDUCED RENT.
I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY HARDBALL WITH HIM.
HE THINKS HE'S HOLDING THE CARDS.
AND I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY TO PLAY HARDBALL WITH HIM.
I REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS, JAN SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT IF THAT MEETS OUR STANDARDS, THEN WE NEED TO RAISE OUR STANDARDS.
SO AT SOME POINT THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO AND IT'S STILL THE SAME STANDARDS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE THEN BETWEEN A PATCH AND A REPAIR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PATCHED TO COME BACK LATER WITH A REPAIR AND THE REPAIRS WEREN'T COMPLETED AFTER THE PATCH.
SO IF WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AT SOME POINT, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT BACK UP.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THIS ASPHALT PLANTS ARE GOING TO MAKE CLOTHING SOON.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER REASON, BUT, UH, SCOTT, COULD WE ASK YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UH, TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM AND LET HIM KNOW THAT WE'RE WE HAVE A REAL ISSUE HERE? YES.
SO I WILL, I WILL FOLLOW UP AND BRING A THANK YOU SOME KIND OF RESPONSE TO THE NEXT POINT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE HUBER CENTER? AND IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD ENCOURAGE THE RAISING THE STANDARDS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE HEALTH IS ONE THING WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT IS WHAT A PATCH REALLY IS OF MAKING THAT ANY KIND OF POTHOLE REPAIR NEEDS TO BE, I'LL SAY SQUARED OFF, NOT JUST DUMP SOMETHING IN A HOLE AND POUND IT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN.
UM, SO CAUSE WE DO THAT ON OUR CITY STREETS.
WHEN WE HAVE A MAIN BREAK TEMPORARILY, WE PUT THE PATCH IN, BUT WITH OUR STREET PROGRAM, WE COME IN, WE PAVE FROM TUCKER.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTED YEARS AGO AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
SO THAT'S A STANDARD THAT WE SET FOR OURSELVES.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT WORDING.
AND, UH, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION OR REDOING THE ORDINANCES RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THAT SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN PUSHED FORWARD A LITTLE MORE.
AND ON THAT END THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MORE STUFF COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, ON SOME ORDINANCES THAT THEY WANTED MORE INPUTS THAN JUST THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, TO HAVE THAT PROCESS COME THROUGH, UM, THINGS LIKE MAKE SOME REAL REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FULL INPUT.
I THINK IT'S NOT AS FAST AS WE'RE GROWING.
I THINK WE NEED TO RAISE THE STANDARDS TO HAVE THE EXPECTATION OF THESE OLDER PROPERTY OWNERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP, IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HEAR, THEY NEED TO KEEP UP WITH US.
UM, I THINK THEY WOULD ATTRACT BETTER RENTERS AND HIS BUILDINGS WOULD BE FULL IF HE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH HIS FACILITIES, I'M WITH A BRAND PIE CORRIDOR OR BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO LET'S.
LET'S JUST PUT SOME PRESSURE ON MY CONCERN IS IF HE LEAVES THIS COMMISSION,
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HE'S GOT THE PARKING LOT THIS WAY.HOW IS HE, HOW'S HE MAINTAINING THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES INSIDE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TENANTS WHO ARE RENTING FROM HIM? HOW HAS THAT BEING MAINTAINED? SO, OKAY.
CAN WE MOVE OFF THE HUBER CENTER NOW? OR IS THERE MORE INFORMATION? WE HAVE NO MINUTES.
UM, THERE'S THE FALL PALS, GATE REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
UM, UM, I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE HAVE A PD SCHEDULED, UM, FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER.
UM, I DON'T HAVE EXACTLY WHAT IS ON AND SOME GOOD SURPRISES.
I WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THE OCTOBER 12TH MEETING.
SO, UH, NO FURTHER REPORTS OR A CALENDAR REVIEW FROM STAFF.
THEN THIS MEETING IS, UH, AT 8 46.