[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.AND WELCOME TO THE CITY HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2021.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 3 AND I KNOW THIS LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PRETTY LONG AGENDA THIS EVENING.
AND SO I'M REALLY SURPRISED PEOPLE ARE HERE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE AGENDA, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE EVERYBODY.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER AT 6 0 3.
SO MR. ROGERS, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE HERE, MS. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
AND NEXT ITEM NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.THERE'S ONE SET OF MEETING MINUTES, WHICH WAS THE AUGUST 31ST, 2021, UH, CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, THOSE MINUTES, ADMINISTRATIONS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS NEED TO BE MADE KISSING? NONE OF THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
NEXT UP IS ON NUMBER THREE, WHICH GETS US INTO A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.AND WE WILL START WITH M THREE EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.
SCOTT, IF YOU WOULD, THANK YOU.
I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF HERE KNOWING THE LENGTH OF THE AGENDA.
UH, WANT A REMINDER THAT, UH, THIS SATURDAY, THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL IS AT THE, UP AT THE EICHELBERGER AMPHITHEATER FROM 11 TO SEVEN, AND THERE'S ALSO A, UH, NINE 11 CEREMONY.
THAT'S GOING ALONG WITH THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT, THAT, UH, UH, IS, UH, BEING PUT ON.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF BANDS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
A LOT OF VENDORS, FOOD TRUCKS, AND A LOT OF THINGS TO DO.
AND, UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE WEATHER, IT LOOKS NICE.
UM, ALSO, UM, TO INFORM EVERYBODY OUR WATER DEPARTMENT, WE HAD DISCUSSION THAT IT IS GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC THIS WEEK, UM, DUE TO SOME STAFFING ISSUES.
UM, STILL WE'LL BE ABLE TO CALL IN AND STILL BE ABLE TO MAKE PAYMENTS, UM, EITHER OVER THE PHONE OR ONLINE OR DROP OFF IN THE NIGHT DROP.
UM, AND, UH, THEY'LL TRY TO GET BACK TO, UH, OPEN TO CUSTOMERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS PRETTY MUCH AT, UH, A LOT OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
AND I HAVE ASKED IF, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM REPUBLIC WOULD COME AND SPEAK TO, UH, THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO GO OVER SOME OF THEIR STAFFING ISSUES.
AND, UH, SOME OF, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, SOME MISSED PICKUPS FOR CERTAIN STREETS.
UH, SO THEY'VE GOT SOME TRUCK ISSUES AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICES PEOPLE ARE CALLING, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, FROM HERE AT CITY HALL, THOSE CALLS HAVE GONE DOWN QUITE A BIT.
UM, SO WE HAD, UH, TWO TODAY THAT, UH, SOMEBODY CALLED WITH, UM, EITHER A MISSED PICKUP OR, UH, A CONCERN ABOUT THEIR BILL THAT WE PASSED ON AND THAT IT DID GET TAKEN CARE OF ON THAT.
SO I DO SEE THAT MR. SLAY, UH, HAS, UH, UH, COME FROM REPUBLIC AND I'LL LET HIM SPEAK.
UH, GETTING THE MR. MAYOR THE EVENING CITY COUNCIL.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE DAYTON, CINCINNATI AND NORTHERN KENTUCKY OPERATIONS OF REPUBLIC SERVICES.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR BUSINESS RETURN OF YOUR BUSINESS.
I ALSO LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE OF SERVICES.
UH, IT'S BEEN A VERY TRYING TIME, UH, AS YOU CAN TELL WITH ALL THE SERVICES AROUND WITH THE, UH, THE TROUBLE WITH STAFFING, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, AND IT'S TAKEN A MAJOR TOLL ON US.
UM, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH, UH, COVID-19 FAMILIES WITH COVID-19, UH, UH, DELTA VERON.
AND OF COURSE WE HAD THE LEAVE OF ABSENCE, FMLA, UH, VACATIONS, PTO BEREAVEMENT TURNOVER, AND, UH, JUST THE PLAY, NO CALL IN, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERY GOOD TEAM, YOU NEED A BENCH.
AND, AND WE HAD A GOOD BENCH, UH, THAT BENCH WAS DEPLETED DURING THE BACKEND OF THE PANDEMIC.
UM, AND OF COURSE, AS EVERYONE CAN SEE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, APPLICANTS THAT WANTED TO DO THIS JOB.
IT'S HOT IN THE SUMMERTIME, COLD IN THE WINTER, AND IT'S NOT THE GREATEST SMELLING JOB IN THE WORLD.
SO, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY, UH, PEOPLE APPLYING, BUT, UH, WHEN YOU DO APPLY AND YOU HAVE A VERY RIGOROUS TRAINING PROGRAM, IT TAKES TWO AND A HALF TO THREE MONTHS TO TRAIN A TRUCK DRIVER, NOT TO MENTION THE ROUTE AND THE AUTOMATION IN OUR TRUCKS.
AND WHEN I PUT A DRIVER IN ONE OF THESE 40 TON TRUCKS, AND YOU PUT 10 MORE TONS OF TRASH ON IT, NOW YOU GOT A 50 TON MISSILE GOING DOWN THE STREET.
SO I DON'T LET ANYBODY GET ON THE STREET UNLESS THEY TOTALLY QUALIFIED TO DRIVE THOSE TRUCKS, WHICH IS GOING TO PUSH ME BACK.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO FIX THAT, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERYBODY'S GOING, IT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT'S GOING UP IN PAY.
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AT 26, UH, 22, 26 PER HOUR.AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE NEXT YEAR, GIVEN A $5,000 BONUS FOR A TWO YEAR PROGRAM WITH US MEDICAL GREAT MEDICAL BENEFITS.
WE PAY FOR UNIFORM BOOTS OF FREE.
THE COMPANY MATCHES THE FIRST 5%.
UH, THE BEST PART IS I'M TRYING TO GET YOUNGER PEOPLE INTO THIS CAREER.
SO 21, AND KNOW THE EMPLOYEES THAT MAY SOUND LIKE I'M RECRUITING, BUT I AM A 21 YEAR, 21 YEARS AND OLDER, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL, UH, ONE 60 TRUCK DRIVING SCHOOL.
WELL, I WILL PAY FOR THAT SCHOOL FOR THREE OR FOUR WEEKS.
I'LL GET YOU YOUR CDL LICENSE.
THEN I'LL BRING YOU ON TO MY TRAINING PROGRAM, WHICH IS GOING TO BE TWO AND A HALF MONTHS.
AND BY THE TIME YOU GET ON THE STREET, YOU ABSOLUTELY, THESE, THIS IS FOR 21 AND THE OTHER, BUT YOU HAVE TO PASS TO SCHOOL AND I'LL PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
UM, OF COURSE YOU GOT TO PASS THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND DRUG TEST AND WASTE IS RECESSION PROOF, RIGHT? ALL IT DOES IS KEEPS GROWING.
I KNOW WE HAD A RIDE ROCKY START, UH, AT THE BEGINNING, BUT AS MR. SCOTT TALKED, UH, THE CALL VOLUMES ARE DEFINITELY DECREASING.
UH, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE RESIDENTS CONTACT US DIRECTLY THROUGH YOUR APP AND A WEBSITE.
AND W YOU KNOW, WE ALSO TAKE CALLS FROM YOUR OFFICE DIRECTLY, TONYA SAYING LYNETTE.
UH, WE FEEL THAT MANY CALLS FROM THE OFFICE AND TRYING TO TAKE THAT WEIGHT OFF OF YOU ALL.
AND THEN ALSO THE WAIT TIMES NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON EAST COAST TIME.
SO IF YOU CALL BEFORE 11, O'CLOCK, IT DOESN'T KICK IN THE WEST COAST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY.
SO IF YOU CALL IT BEFORE 11 O'CLOCK, YOU USUALLY CAN GET RIGHT IN.
I DO WANT TO, UH, THANK, UH, ALL OF OUR, UH, DRIVERS SERVING.
UH, WE GET MANY, UH, UH, ATTABOYS AND ADELAIDE IS, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE DISABILITY AND SENIOR CITIZENS THAT WE HELP THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
ONE CAME IN AND ACTUALLY, UH, TODAY WAS LOOKING FOR THE DRIVER BECAUSE HE'S BEEN OUT WITH COVID AND WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ONE OF THE DRIVERS.
UH, AND WE HAD EXPLAINED WHAT HAPPENED AND SHE CAN'T WAIT TO, TO GET THAT DRIVER BACK OUT.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
HOW'S IT GOING, JEFF, HOW YOU DOING, SIR? SO LIKE, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US KNOW THIS WAS CERTAINLY A ROCKY TRANSITION.
UM, A LOT OF US VERY FRUSTRATED JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UM, NOT ONLY THE AMOUNT OF CALL VOLUME THAT CAME TO, UH, INTO THE CITY, BUT JUST THE AMOUNT OF MESSAGING AND CALL VOLUME AND EMAILS THAT PROBABLY EACH ONE OF US INDIVIDUALLY RECEIVED.
SO I JUST KINDA, AND I DO WANT TO START BY SAYING FROM A DRIVER PERSPECTIVE, THE DRIVING PERSPECTIVE WAS, WAS NEVER AN ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK WITH ANY, WITH ANYBODY IN THE CITY.
UH, I, IN FACT, I THINK, AND I'VE, I'VE COMPLIMENTED.
I THINK THE, THE FRONTLINE SERVICE THAT THE DRIVERS WERE GIVING TO, TO OUR RESIDENTS HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
I'VE NEVER HEARD A COMPLAINT ABOUT A DRIVER BEING RUDE.
I'VE ALWAYS HEARD ABOUT A DRIVER GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY.
UH, SOMEBODY ELSE'S TRASH WAS ON THE GROUND THAT BLEW OVER AND THEY TOOK THEIR TIME TO GO PICK IT UP AND MAKE SURE IT WAS IN THE TRUCK.
THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD.
SO, SO THE FRONTLINE SERVICE WORKERS HAVE NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
THE COMMUNICATION ISSUE AND THE BILLING HAS, WHAT'S BEEN DRIVING OUR PEOPLE CRAZY AND I'LL BLAME HIM.
SO A COUPLE OF ISSUES I WANT TO ADDRESS.
SO NUMBER ONE, THE OVERPAYMENTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE MADE OVERPAYMENTS BECAUSE WHEN THE NEW CONTRACT CAME OUT AND BASED ON WHAT THE NEW PRICE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, PEOPLE WERE GETTING BILLS, SILL OVERAGE, LIKE IT WAS THE $3 A CART.
BASICALLY EVERYBODY'S BILL WAS AN EXTRA $9.
SO PEOPLE THAT WENT AHEAD AND PAID THOSE W WE NEED TO KNOW AND HAVE A GUARANTEE THAT THOSE OVERPAYMENTS THAT WERE MADE, THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET THEIR MONEY BACK.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE CREDITED THAT AMOUNT.
SOMEHOW BASED ON THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CONTRACT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE MUST.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND WHEN, WHAT BILLING CYCLE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON, IT SHOULD BE HAPPENING IN THIS SESSION BECAUSE IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THE 40 CENTS AND THE $1 TO CLEAR.
BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO ANYBODY THAT OVERPAID ANYTHING IS GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY CORRECT IN THIS BILL SESSION.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO GO IN AND MANUALLY INPUT, OR IS THIS SOFTWARE KNOW THAT, OH, THIS BILL WAS TOO MUCH.
NOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THIS MUCH.
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WE MAKE, UH, UH, PRACTICE RUNS AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A CREDIT AND THEN BACK THE MONEY.I KNOW THAT WAS, EVERYBODY WAS UP IN ARMS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE 52 CENTS TO MAIL FOR PENNIES THAT MADE NO SENSE AT ALL.
SO SCOTT HAD TALKED TO YOU GUYS WE'D CONFIRMED, OR AT LEAST BACK TO US.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THERE WAS THAT 4 CENTS IS JUST, IS GOING TO CORRECT HER.
NOBODY SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT, THAT EXTRA 4 CENTS CORRECTLY.
SO THEN WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS WE HAVE COMMUNICATION THAT THE, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A CALL CENTER, BUT WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN OUR RESIDENTS ARE CALLING YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE, NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE NOT BEING PUT OFF.
NUMBER TWO, THE PERSON ON THE PHONE KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NUMBER THREE, THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACT.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE WHO QUALIFY FOR SENIOR DISCOUNT, A SENIOR DISCOUNT AND NOT SAY, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT.
AND SO I'M HOPING THOSE ARE THE CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN MINIMIZED.
I KNOW I'M GETTING LESS FRUSTRATED EMAILS TO ME.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT IS ON THE DOWNWARD TREND.
I'M HOPING THAT IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE ARE GIVING UP AND GOING, OH MY GOSH, I CAN'T WIN.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE OTHER CALLS, BUT FOR A LONG TIME, I MEAN, YES, IT WAS JUST, ALL I HEAR IS I CALLED TO GET MY SENIOR DISCOUNT AND THEY DON'T EVEN, THEY TELL ME THAT HE WRITES, DOESN'T HAVE A SENIOR DISCOUNT ON THE CALENDAR.
WHAT CAN THAT BE? 45 DAYS INTO A NEW CONTRACT.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME GUARANTEES THAT, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR YOU, THAT YOU HIRE, JUST LIKE WE'RE TRUSTING YOU TO DELIVER A SERVICE.
THE PEOPLE YOU HIRE IN THAT CALL CENTER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME EXPECTATIONS FROM THEM THAT THEY'RE HANDLING OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR RESIDENTS, THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY THEY CAN, BECAUSE WE JUST CANNOT AFFORD FOR THIS TO JUST KEEP BLOWN.
AS YOU SEE, THE CALLS ARE GOING DOWN, UH, TANYA HANDS, UH, MY INVALUABLE, UH, OPERATIONS MANAGER AND MY SPOUSE, MY MYSELF SPENT COUNTLESS NIGHTS, UH, COACHING COUNSELING, AND TALKING TO THE CRC TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD.
WE, WE TYPED OUT A SCRIPT FONT.
THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL AT HOME.
THEY SHOULD BE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH.
AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER.
SO I'M NOT MAKING AN EXCUSE FOR THAT.
WE SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED THAT LONG BEFORE WE GOT INTO, I SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT, SAW THAT, THAT BEING A PROBLEM, GOING INTO IT AND, AND PUT THE BALANCES AND CHECKS IN BEFORE WE WENT IN.
UH, BUT UH, I GUARANTEE YOU, THEY KNOW MY NAME, UH, AND THEY KNOW TINY'S NAME.
THE ENTIRE CORPORATION IS LOOKING AT THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WITH THE CRC, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST US MAN, IT'S AROUND THE COUNTRY.
SO THEY KNOW THEY DID HAVE A PROBLEM.
WELL, I THINK FOR US, IT JUST WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT BETTER AND PROBABLY EVERYBODY UP HERE AND MAKE THEM FEEL A LOT BETTER IF WE KNEW THAT YOU WERE JUST AS MAD AS WE ARE.
AND I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE COMMUNICATE, HERE'S THE ISSUE, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
AND THEN YOU GUYS KNOW, OKAY, WE'VE HEARD THE PROBLEM, WE'RE FIXING IT.
BUT THEN THREE DAYS LATER, THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT SAME ISSUES AND CALLS AND COMMENTS AND FRUSTRATIONS ARE COMING BACK IN.
SO ABSOLUTELY SIR, I'M, AS I'D SAY BEFORE, I'M METICULOUS, VERY DETAILED TWENTY-FIVE YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS UPS, 38 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
WELL, I THINK AGAIN, FROM THE, FROM THE DRIVERS, UH, THERE IS, I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT ONE OF YOUR DRIVERS.
UM, THE HELP THEY'VE GIVE SENIORS.
THEY, YOU KNOW, GOING UP TO THE, TO THE GARAGE, GETTING THEIR OTHER TOTES, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND IF A PICKUP GETS MISSED BECAUSE OF SHORT STAFFING, BECAUSE THEY GO TO BURGER KING ON WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND IT'S CLOSED.
OR THEY GO TO FIVE GUYS ON THE THURSDAY EVENING AND IT'S CLOSED.
SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT STAFFING ISSUES ARE A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
AND MOST PEOPLE ARE FORGIVING WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ISSUE OF THE DRIVERS I THINK IS OKAY, OUR BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE BACKEND STUFF AND THE BILLING AND THE COMMUNICATION.
AND THAT, THAT IS WHAT JUST HAS TO GET FIXED.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING, STAY IN.
THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE THE BULLETS.
I KNOW THAT IS NOT EASY, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL IN YOU, MAYOR.
AND, UH, SCOTT, WE DO HAVE THE POSTCARD, THAT'LL BE COMING OUT TO, UH, TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S A DOUBLE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, THE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR A STATEMENT, UM, JUST THIS PAST WEEK, SOMEONE SAID THAT THEY, UH, I GUESS IT
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WAS THE FRIDAY BEFORE THEY DIDN'T GET PICKED UP.SO THEY CALLED IN AND SAID, I GET PICKED UP AND, UM, ARE THEY REPORTED IT? THEN ON TUESDAY THEY CALLED AND THEY WERE TOLD SOMEONE WOULD COME PICK IT UP.
THEY CALLED IT ON THURSDAY, SAID, YEAH, WELL, THE NEXT DAY IS FRIDAY.
MY SUGGESTION IS IF, BECAUSE OF MANPOWER SHORTAGES OR WHATEVER, DON'T PROMISE, YOU'RE GOING TO PICK THEM UP.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PICK THEM UP, JUST SAY, WE HAVE A MANPOWER SHORTAGE, YOU KNOW, SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE, WHATEVER.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE DO HAVE THOSE SHORTAGES, UH, IN WHICH I DON'T LIKE TO DO, I DID THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHY I CAME TO THIS REPUBLIC SERVICES BECAUSE WE PUT IN 12, 13, 14 HOURS A DAY ON THESE DRIVERS.
AND WE TELL THEM THEM, THEM PICK UP TWO ROUTES WHEN THEY ONLY USED TO PICK IT UP ONE ROUTE AND IT GETS KIND OF HEATED OUT THERE AND THEY'LL FORGET.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS COME TO ME AND I ADDRESS EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
SO LET SCOTT ANYBODY, IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT, LET IT COME STRAIGHT TO ME.
AND IF I GOT TO COME PICK UP THE TRASH, I WILL THANK YOU.
IF A WEEK DOES GO BY WHERE, WHERE IT IS MISSING.
SOMEONE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH IT NEXT WEEK.
I MEAN, CAN THEY CALL AND GET A CREDIT FOR THAT WEEK OF BILLING? IF YOU LOOK AT A 13 WEEK PERIOD IN THE QUARTER THAT THEY BILL, IF WE CAN GET THEM, ABSOLUTELY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR, UH, FOR, FOR JEFF, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MARY.
DO YOU HAVE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TO THIS MEETING.
I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, THAT'S BEEN OUTSTANDING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S CALLED ME AND EMAILED ME AND TEXT ME AND GRABBED ME WHILE I'M AT KROGER'S.
UM, IS HOW, HOW DID THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY THAT WE HAD BEEN INTO FOR MORE THAN SIX YEARS WE GET INTO, UH, TO, TO THE MAY JUNE TIMEFRAME, AND THEN THE WHEELS JUST FALL OFF THE WAGON.
I MEAN, I GUESS, LET ME START THERE.
WHAT HAPPENED? BECAUSE LEADING UP TO THAT, ACCORDING TO THIS COUNCIL AND MANY RESIDENTS, WE HAD GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER.
AS SOON AS WE GET TO THE POINT OF FINALLY VOTING AROUND MAY 24TH TO APPROVE THIS CONTRACT THAT WAS SIGNED 70 DAYS LATER, I GUESS, HOW DID THE WHEELS FALL OFF THE WAGON THAT, THAT QUICK NOW, MR. SHELL, YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE BILLING OR I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE BILLING, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES, THE MISSED PICKUPS, EVERYTHING SEEMED LIKE RIGHT AT THAT POINT JUST WENT HAYWIRE, RIGHT? SO, UH, AGAIN, IT GOES, OH, IT GOES BACK TO THE CRC.
IF I WAS BACK BEFORE MY TIME, ALL OF THE BILLS AND ALL OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE WAS HANDLED, RIGHT.
SO WE HAD EVERYTHING IN HOUSE.
SO WE COULD MAKE THOSE CHANGES WITH CONTRACTS AND MUNI CONTRACTS RIGHT AT OUT, UH, HAND.
BUT WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN WHAT, 13 YEARS BEFORE WE CHANGED YOU GUYS' CONTRACT.
EVERYTHING WAS SET INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO YOU GO FROM HANDS-ON WRITING STUFF DOWN TO COMPUTERIZE WITH PEOPLE, NOT KNOWING THIS CONTRACT ALL THE WAY IN NORTH CAROLINA.
THAT'S WHERE THE WHEELS FELL OFF.
COUPLED WITH TURNOVER AT THE CRC WHERE PEOPLE JUST TOTALLY NOT KNOWING THE SYSTEM AND NOT BEING ABLE TO READ THE SCREEN EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE TELLING THE CUSTOMER.
AND I GUESS MY FOLLOWUP TO THAT PRIOR TO MAY 24TH, WHEN THIS COUNCIL VOTED, DID YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DRIVER ISSUE? NO, SIR.
CAUSE WE, UP UNTIL THAT POINT, WE WERE SERVICING YOU GUYS EVERY DAY.
IF I'M CORRECT ME, IF I'M WRONG NOW AGAIN, UH, AS, AS THE MONTHS, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, MAY I HAVE BEGAN TO LOSE DRIVERS.
NOW I KNOW YOU NOTICE AND EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS PEOPLE WERE JUMPING AROUND AND SAY, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME, PAY ME ANOTHER DOLLAR.
YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ME 50 CENTS MORE.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME MORE BENEFITS.
AND THEN I DRASTICALLY STARTED LOSING DRIVERS TO NOT WANTING TO WORK OUT IN THE SWEAT AND THE HEAT AND THE COLD.
SO INSIDE OF AN OFFICE, INSIDE OF A WAREHOUSE.
SO I, MY STAFF AND DRASTICALLY WENT DOWN NOW AT THE TIME WE FINALIZED THE DEAL, I STILL HAD A BENCH AND I STILL HAD ALL OF THOSE DRIVERS SERVICING HUBER HEIGHTS.
BUT I STEADILY EVEN AFTER THAT MEETING, INSTEAD OF KEPT GOING DOWN TO A POINT WHERE, UH, YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE LOSING MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU GETTING THERE.
MY LAST QUESTION IS I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE ACTUAL SIGN CONTRACT, UH, IN THE SIGNED CONTRACT.
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IT STATES, UM, THAT, UH, THE CONTAINERS THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL BE USING, UM, SHALL BE REPLACED BY A CONTAINER THAT IS BLUE WITH AN ATTACHED YELLOW LID.THAT'S A RECYCLING, RIGHT? I DON'T SEE ANY YELLOW LIDS IN OUR CONTAINERS FOR RECYCLING.
SO MY, MY FOLLOW-UP TO THAT IS GOING TO BE, ARE YOU AS REPUBLIC LOOKING TO DO A CART INVENTORY IN THE CITY AND WE'LL BE SWITCHING THOSE OUT TO COMPLY WITH THE CONTRACT OF WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL? NO, SIR, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE COULD SWITCH OUT THE TOP OF THE CONTAINERS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AT A MASSIVE COST TO US TO ACTUALLY SWITCH OUT THE ENTIRE CONTAINER.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THE, HOW MANY WE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE DO HAVE A SEPARATION BETWEEN WHAT'S RECYCLING AND WHAT'S TRASH, BUT NORMALLY WHAT WE DO IS JUST CHANGE THE TOPS ON THEM AND IF A PERSON REQUESTS THAT.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.
THANK YOU, MRS. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR UPDATE? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TONIGHT.
I DO WANT TO BRING UP ONE, ONE QUICK POINT THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE WE WERE KIND OF STARTING TO GET SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS NEW BRIDGE ON CHAMBERSBURG.
UM, FIRST TIME I USUALLY CAME HOME, UH, COMING UP ROUTE FOUR WAS IN MY CAR, UH, GOT OFF THE EXIT ONCE, TURN LEFT ON CHAMBERSBURG.
AND I FELT LIKE I WAS PLAYING RUSSIAN ROULETTE.
THERE IS A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE.
THAT'S WORSE NOW THAN THERE WAS BEFORE THEY FIXED THE BRIDGE.
AND IF SOMEONE'S AT AN SUV OR A TRUCK, MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE ELEVATED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THEY CAN SEE, BUT IF YOU'RE IN A CAR AND YOU'RE STARING LEFT, THAT GUARD RAIL AND THOSE THICK WOODEN POSTS THAT ARE SUPPORTING IT LITERALLY BECOME JUST A WALL AND YOU CANNOT SEE ANYTHING COMING OVER THAT BRIDGE TOWARD FAIRBORN.
AND I, I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT, SO I'M NOT YELLING BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ANY OF OUR FAULT.
WE DIDN'T SIGN OFF ON THE PLANS.
I MEAN, THAT'S AN OLD DOC PROJECT, BUT I JUST HAVE A REALLY, REALLY HARD TIME KNOWING THAT THERE WERE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS OUT THERE, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS FOR FIVE MONTHS.
AND NOBODY LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, HMM, THIS MIGHT BE A PROBLEM.
I JUST, THINGS LIKE THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY MAKE ME CRAZY BECAUSE THAT IS THE, PROBABLY THE SINGLE BIGGEST SAFETY ISSUE I'VE SEEN IN THIS CITY.
AND IN FOUR YEARS, AT LEAST SOMEONE, IF THEY DON'T DO SOMETHING THERE, SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HIT.
YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT'S COMING FROM YOUR HEIGHTS TO FAIRBORN.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN COMING UP OFF THAT, OFF THAT EXIT RAMP.
SO, UM, I KNOW I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE CALL ME AND ASK ME WHAT AND WHAT IN THE WORLD.
UH, MS. BURCH HAS TOLD ME, SHE SAYS HE CALL HER.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY OUT HERE WHO HAS SEEN THAT, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, KNOWS WE ARE MAKING CONTACT WITH ODOD AND DEMANDING.
OR THERE, THERE HAS TO BE A SOLUTION OTHER THAN CLOSING YOUR EYES, COUNT TO 10 AND JUST STEPPED ON THE GAS.
AND IF I MAY PLEASE, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION YESTERDAY AND MR. BERGMAN, AND I DID GO OUT THERE TODAY AND, UH, THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE CONVERSATIONS WITH ODAT AND ALREADY MR. BERMAN HAS HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT SOME SOLUTIONS, UM, UH, SOME FIXES ABOUT THAT SITE DISTANCE AS WELL, AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WE'RE AWARE OF THAT, THAT IT'S AN ISSUE IT'S NOT SAFE AND WE'RE HAVING COFFEE AND WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
YEAH, RUSS, I BROUGHT THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION WHEN THEY STARTED DESIGN SPEED STANDARD, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU SPEAK UP? HIS MIC IS ON, BUT IT'S DIRECTIONAL.
I DID LET THEM KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF DESIGN THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE.
THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE RAISING THE BRIDGE, I THINK ABOUT TWO FEET AND IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
UH, THERE WERE, ALL THEY COULD SAY IS THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN TO TRY TO PREVENT IT.
BUT, UH, THEY KNEW OF THE ISSUE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DESIGN.
IT'S YEAH, WE DID LOOK AT IT AND I KIND OF AGREED TO ME THAT IF THE SIDE SLOPE COMING OFF ROAD WAS FLAT OUT, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE THAT SLOPE THE LAST YEAR.
IF THAT'S WHATEVER THE SOLUTION IS, SOMEONE'S GOT TO FIND A SOLUTION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T WORK.
IF YOU'RE, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE IN A TRUCK OR AN SUV, YOU MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE, BUT IF YOU'RE IN A CAR, YOU
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CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, THE CROWN OF THAT BRIDGE.AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THEY'VE PUT THE TWO CONCRETE WALLS UP OVER THE BRIDGE, AND NOW IF THE GUARD RAIL YOU'RE LITERALLY PULLING OUT BLIND, YOU HA YOU CANNOT SEE ANYTHING.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU AND SCOTT ME SAFE, TURNING LEFT OUT THERE THIS MORNING, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S WORSE NOW THAN IT WAS.
AND I, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY GOOD FIX TO ME.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, RICHARD, THANK YOU, MARIE.
UM, I GUESS WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME IS THIS COUNCIL LOOKING FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION? UH, BECAUSE I THINK THE LAST THING WE WANT IS THAT BRIDGE TO BE SHUT DOWN AGAIN AND MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SOLUTION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER TO THAT.
I THINK SO I LET, UH, I ACTUALLY WAS CALLED SCOTT YESTERDAY, UH, W ON HIS HOLIDAY AND VENTED, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T, I, I KNOW IT'S NOT HIS FAULT.
IT'S NOT THE CITY'S FAULT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, AGAIN, SCOTT AND RESTAURANT THREE DAY, THEY TOOK SOME PICTURES, UM, SENT TO ME, SHOW ME WHAT THE LINE OF SIGHT WAS IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE CAR AND MAKE SURE THAT I WASN'T CRAZY.
I'M NOT JUST SEEING THINGS AND IT'S JUST AS BAD AS I REMEMBER.
SO AS LONG AS, UH, MAYBE AN EMAIL BACK TO COUNCIL, LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH ODAT WAS AND, AND WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, I DON'T WANT THE BRIDGE SHUT DOWN, BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY KILLED UP THERE EITHER.
AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT IS A, THAT IS A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS LEFT TURN OFF OF THAT.
IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY CAN THINK THAT SAFE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN A CAR, HEAVEN FORBID A LITTLE RIDE IN SPORTS CAR.
YOU, YOU MEAN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, THANKS.
[ Water Bonds Refinancing Presentation]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE WATER BONDS REFINANCING PRESENTATION.I HEARD YOU, BUT I COULDN'T FIND YOU THERE FOR, UM, YES.
I'VE ASKED, UM, OUR MUNICIPAL ADVISOR, ANDY BROS START PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
MIKE WANTED TO GRAB THE ONE ON THE BACK TABLE AND SWAP IT OUT.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE, SIR.
IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, THAT'S MUCH BETTER.
UM, SO I'VE INVITED OUR MUNICIPAL ADVISOR, ANDY
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER, UH, ALREADY, UH, TWO DEBT ISSUES, UH, ACTUALLY THREE THIS YEAR, AND I WANTED TO GET, HAVE HIM COME AND GIVE A REVIEW OF THOSE, AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT'S UPCOMING.
WE HAVE, UH, FOUR MORE THAT ARE UPCOMING AND THAT'S QUITE A LOT FOR ANY ONE YEAR.
SO I THOUGHT, AH, LET'S BRING OUR EXPERT IN AND HAVE THEM DISCUSS IT AND, UM, LEAVE IT UP TO HIM, ANDY.
UH, DO YOU, WE'LL MAKE THIS BRIEF AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE 40 STARCH.
YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THE REMOTE AND TURN ON THE OVERHEAD SCREEN SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT BETTER.
UM, PRESENTATIONS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, AND WE'LL START WALKING THROUGH THAT FOR NOW, BUT, UH, THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS YOU WHERE, UH, THE TAX EXEMPT INTEREST RATE MARKET'S AT TODAY.
UH, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THIS CHART BEFORE WE MET WITH YOU BACK IN, IN, IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UH, THAT SLIDE, IT GIVES YOU AN, A REPRESENTATION OF THE YIELD CURVE AND WHERE INTEREST RATES WERE AT TODAY.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE GREEN LINE ON THAT SHEET, UH, AS OF SEPTEMBER ONE, WE'RE STILL AT VERY, VERY LOW INTEREST RATE MARKET.
UH, THE GRAY BAR THERE, IT GIVES YOU WHERE WE'VE BEEN BACK TO 1991.
SO AGAIN, LOW INTEREST RATES, ATTRACTIVE TIME TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON A FEW OF THESE.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE TRANSACTIONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED AND HIT THE MARKET WITH TO SHOW YOU HOW THE OUTCOME WAS AND HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO SAVE.
SO, UH, REAL QUICK, SOME GOOD NEWS FOR YOU AS WELL.
AND WE, WE CAME WAS, COMES TO THE RATING AND THE RATINGS AGAIN ARE SORT OF THE GRADE FOR AN INVESTOR TO BUY YOUR DEBT, UH, AND INVEST IN THE CITY'S OFFERINGS.
UH, THE CITY'S JUST GOT A FEW, COUPLE OF DIFFERENT RATINGS OUT THERE, BUT, UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DID HAVE A RATING UPGRADE WHEN IT CAME TO THE INCOME TAX REVENUE OR INCOME TAX REVENUE BONDS THAT WERE JUST ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO CLOSE.
UH, WE MOVED FROM A MOODY SCALE FROM AN
WE JUMPED TWO NOTCHES ON THAT, WHICH WAS A GREAT, A GREAT MOVE
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AND HELPED WITH THE SAVINGS RELATIVE TO, UH, THOSE BONDS.UH, EARLIER BEFORE THAT, WE ALSO HAD THE, UH, THE RATING SCALE FOR, UH MOODY'S AND SO THAT WAS ON THE GEO BONDS.
AND WE, UH, AGAIN, HELD THE AA THREE, UH, FOR THE CITY'S BONDS AND AGAIN, REALLY GREAT CREDIT RATINGS, UH, FOR THE CITY WELL-ESTABLISHED.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY IS YOUR, UH, WATER REVENUE BONDS THAT ARE OUT THERE AT, UH, DOUBLE A MINUS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AS WELL.
AGAIN, YOU SIT ON BELOW SOME OF THE RATING FACTORS, INDICATORS THAT IN TERMS OF WHERE THE RATING CAN GO IN TERMS OF UP OR DOWN, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THERE THAT YOU, THAT YOU CAN CONTROL OVER TIME.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ONES ARE OUR MANAGEMENT, UM, POLICIES, UH, IN GENERAL FUND BALANCES, INCOME TAX, RECEIPTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
OH, AGAIN, VERY, VERY STRONG CREDIT FACTORS FOR THE CITY.
SO THAT'S BEEN A WELL-ESTABLISHED MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PAGE.
UM, WE WANTED TO JUST HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU WHERE WE CAME OUT, AS WE PROJECTED FOR YOU.
THE LAST TIME WE MET, WE WERE HOPING TO BE IN THE ABOUT A MILLION 0.2 RANGE IN TERMS OF THE SAVINGS ON THOSE, UH, ON THOSE BONDS.
UH, WE ACTUALLY CAME IN AT 1,000,003, SO IT WAS BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN, OR MORE SAVINGS THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE AT 21% SAVINGS.
UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE LOOK AT FOR A REFUNDING PERCENTAGE, UH, IS SIGNIFICANT.
UH, WE, WE TYPICALLY WILL IN GENERAL, GET HARASSED, WONDER RIDERS AND FOLKS WILL LOOK AT 3%, 5% SAVINGS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FOUR TIMES THAT, WHICH IS, UH, A GREAT MOVE FOR THE CITY TO LOCK IN THOSE, THOSE SAVINGS ON THOSE BONDS.
AGAIN, THOSE WERE CLOSING HERE.
I THINK, UH, BOND DOCUMENTS ARE HERE.
UH, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THIS FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET.
WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HIGHLIGHT AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND I'LL ASK THE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT IT WAS COMING UP, UH, THROUGHOUT 2021 ENDED IN 2023.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE MUSIC BONDS, UH, THAT WAS WITH THE FIRST ONES THAT WE DID THIS YEAR, IN TERMS OF THE PERMANENT FENCE, UM, FINANCING, UH, WE, WE LOCKED IN A RATE ON THAT AT A 2.40, ALL IN TRUE WHICH COST, UH, OUT TO 2043.
AND TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE THREE YEARS AGO, WHEN WE DID THOSE BONDS, UH, AS A BANK PLACEMENT, WE ONLY HAD THREE YEARS IN A 2.6, 3%.
SO GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN, JUMP IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST DID THAT DEAL BACK IN 18, I DIDN'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO LOCK IN THAT LONG OF PAPER, UH, AT THAT LOW OF A RATE, BUT IT'S A GREAT, GREAT SAVINGS FOR THE CITY OVER TIME IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECTIONS.
UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT IS THE 2013 AND 2014 WATER BONDS THAT ARE UP FOR REFINANCING FOR YOU.
UH, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
A COUPLE OF SLIDES, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE INCOME TAX REVENUE BONDS.
THOSE ARE DONE, WE PUT THOSE AWAY, AND THEN ALSO, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THE NOTE RENEWALS THAT ARE COMING UP HERE.
WE'LL HAVE THE FIRST READING ON THE 13TH, AND THEN THE SECOND RATING ON THE 27TH FOR THOSE RENEWALS OF THIS TO LOSE TO BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES.
UH, LAST TWO ITEMS ON THERE, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, WE WENT LONG-TERM FINANCING THAT WAS WITH THE, UM, THE GEO BONDS AT THE TOP WITH THE MUSIC CENTER AND GOT THOSE INTO FIXED RATE FINANCING.
AND THEN LATER ON IN, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF A FIRESTATION FINANCING GOING LONG-TERM DOWN THE ROAD.
ANY QUESTIONS ON JUST A RECAP RIGHT THERE? WE'LL STOP THERE.
THE SLIDE IS YOUR WATER BONDS, AND THIS IS YOUR DEBT SERVICE OVER TIME.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT DROPS OFF HERE.
IN 2030, WE GOT SOME DEBT THEY PAY GETS PAID OFF.
WE ARE GOING TO DO I'M ACTUALLY INSTEAD OF A TRADITIONAL REFINANCING HERE.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH OHIO WATER DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AS THIS IS A SUGGESTION, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE ON A LOT OF FEES.
UH, OHIO WATER DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY HAS A AAA RATING BEHIND THEM.
AND SO THEY HAVE NOW OFFERED UP FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME THIS YEAR TO DO REFINANCINGS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
THEY'VE DONE LOAN PROGRAMS FOR YEARS, BUT HAVE NEVER, EVER DONE A REFINANCING OF BONDS THAT WERE OUT SOLD IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I BELIEVE WE MIGHT BE THE SECOND OR THE FIRST ONES GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAM, BUT, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ANALYSIS COMPARED TO A TRADITIONAL BOND ISSUE, LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE INCOME TAX REVENUE BONDS, AND THE OTHER GEO BONDS, WE PICKED UP AN ADDITIONAL SAVINGS.
SO, UM, HATS OFF TO WDA FOR, FOR GETTING CREATIVE FINALLY, AND LETTING US, UH, COME INTO, INTO THEIR LOAN PROGRAM.
SO, UM, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE COMING THAT ARE, THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, 20, 20, 20 14 A AND B BONDS, WE HAD TO SPLIT THOSE UP FOR SOME TAX ISSUES, BUT ABOUT 4.2 MILLION WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED 1.7 MILLION, UH, ON THE, ON THE XL TAXABLE PIECE.
UM, THOSE WERE FIRST ISSUED IN 13, UH, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FINALLY CURRENT REFUND THEM, UH, COMING UP IN HERE IN DECEMBER OF 2021, THE SAVINGS ON THIS ONE NEXT PAGE, UH, SIGNIFICANT.
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WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THEIR FINANCING IS ABOUT A 1.5899999999999999% INTEREST RATE ON UOW BOND FINANCING PROGRAM.THAT'S GOING TO EQUATE INTO A SAVINGS ABOUT $1.5 MILLION.
UH, I, AND HONESTLY, I, I DON'T EVER RECALL, MY 23 YEARS SEEN SAVINGS PERCENTAGES OF 36.8% RELATIVE TO A BOND ISSUE.
SO THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD.
UM, THE OTHER ONE IS ALSO THE OTHER 14 ISSUE.
WE WERE, WE WERE, UH, WHEN WE DID THESE YEARS AGO, WE TIMED UP THE, UH, THE CALL OPTION FOR BOTH OF THEM.
AND SO THAT WAS ISSUED AT WAY $0.1 MILLION BACK IN 2014.
UH, AND AGAIN, THE CALL WAS COMING UP HERE IN 2021.
AND SO THE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ISSUE A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT 13.2% SAVINGS ON THE WATER BONDS.
SO WE HAVE SCOURED THROUGH ALL THE REST OF YOUR DEBT.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY LEFT AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, IF WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT POPS UP WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT IT, BUT, UM, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE SAVINGS, I KNOW THAT TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS IN FRONT OF THE CITY FROM UNDERWRITERS, LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO TAXABLE ADVANCE REFUNDINGS, AND THANK GOODNESS THE CITY HELD OFF AND WAITED BECAUSE THE SAVINGS JUST GOT BETTER FOR YOU BEING PATIENT.
HEY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, IN GENERAL, IS IT JUST, THIS IS GREAT NEWS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, FEARS, UH, GUIDANCE, AND THEN DO IT WITHOUT YOUR GREAT STAFF.
THEY DID A GREAT JOB IN TERMS OF THE RATING PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT ALWAYS AN EASY THING TO GO THROUGH.
AND WHEN YOU PUT THE, LIKE, PUT TOGETHER A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HAS COME THROUGH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
AND SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND JUST THIS YEAR, AND STILL READY TO DO IS IT'S A, IT'S PROBABLY JIM WOULD PROBABLY TELL YOU A LOT OF STRESS ON, ON THEIR DEPARTMENT FOR GETTING THE INFORMATION THEN, BUT IT WAS WELL WORTH IT.
AND ANY INCREASE IN THE CREDIT RATING IS, IS SUPER, YEAH, THAT'S FINE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IT'S IT'S THIS TIME THIS, UH, ECONOMY IS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GIVING ME ANY OF IT, BUT WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD NEWS.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A GRANT MONEY'S COMING IN, OUR INCOME TAX REVENUES ARE $3 MILLION HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED FOR THIS YEAR.
AND, UH, THAT, AND, UH, AND THEN THE CENSUS DATA CAME IN.
UM, SO OUR POPULATION'S UP AND THOSE ARE ALL GOOD DEMOGRAPHICS FOR, UH, REASONS BEHIND, UH, PUTTING OUR BOND RATING, UH, BETTER THAN, UH, THAN WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
THANK YOU TO YOUR STAFF FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME.
AND I AGREE, AND I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE INCREASE IN THE CREDIT RATING, I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE BONDS ARE JUST, I MEAN, THAT JUST MAKES PEOPLE MORE THAN WILLING AND READY TO, TO, TO TAKE THOSE ON.
SO, I MEAN, YEAH, ALL GREAT NEWS.
WHAT'S THE, UM, SO JUST FOR MY MATH, WHAT DOES KIND OF OUR TOTAL TOTAL SAVINGS HERE SOMEWHERE ABOUT TWO, IN TERMS OF WATER, ABOUT TWO POINT WE'RE LIKE A 2.3, 2.0, I'M SORRY.
$2.5 MILLION REVENUE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S, UH, THE INCOME X REVENUE BONDS, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY PASSED.
AND WE DIDN'T RUN THE ANALYSIS ON THE, UM, UH, THE GEO BONDS IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, THERE WAS A SAVINGS THERE BECAUSE YOU DECREASED YOUR RATE AND LOCKED IT IN OVER TIME, BUT THERE WAS ALSO SAVINGS THERE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
BUT SHORT TERM IS $4 MILLION, ALMOST $4 MILLION OF SAVINGS JUST ON THEIR FINANCING BONDS.
YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS READY? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
[ Issuance of Notes * Property Acquisition - City Administrative Offices]
EXERCISE IN THREE C, WHICH IS THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES.FIRST ONE, BEING THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR THE CITY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES.
YES, THESE ARE ALL, UM, UM, AS ANDY MENTIONED, THE WATER BONDS WILL BE COMING.
UM, IT'S, WE'RE NOT READY TO BRING LEGISLATION TO COUNCIL YET, BUT, UH, THE THREE ITEMS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT ON THE, UM, THESE ARE NOTES THAT ARE ONE-YEAR NOTES THAT WERE ISSUED LAST YEAR, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE, UM, PURCHASING PROPERTY DOWN AT, UM, UH, MARION MEADOWS.
UM, AND, UM, SO THERE ARE THE REASON THAT WE HAVE TO DIVIDE IT INTO THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
UH, AS WE DID LAST YEAR WAS ONE WAS FOR A DESIGNATED FOR CITY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES SO THAT, UM, WE GET A TAX EXEMPT RATE FOR THAT ONE.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, NOTHING GOES CRAZY IN THE MARKET.
THAT SHOULD BE AT A 0.5% INTEREST RATE, UH, VERY GOOD FOR ONE YEAR.
UH, THE SECOND ONE IS, UH, FOR GOVERNMENTAL FACILITIES AND THAT ONE WAS DESIGNATED FOR, UM, THE LIBRARY AS YOU KNOW.
AND SO THAT IS ALSO TAX EXEMPT, UH, AND THEIR, UH, RATE IS ALSO 0.5%.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
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BEING TAXABLE, UH, 0.75%.SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A TAXABLE RATE, IT'S STILL A VERY, VERY EXCELLENT RATE FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR.
UM, AS I ALWAYS SAY, UM, THE ECONOMY STINKS FOR MAKING GOOD MONEY ON INVESTMENTS RIGHT NOW.
SO LET'S GO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND THEN MAKE MONEY ON THE OTHER END WITH, UH, UH, REFINANCING ALL OF OUR DEBT.
SO THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE THESE, UH, ONE-YEAR FINANCINGS UNTIL, UH, WE, UM, FULLY DETERMINED A PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH THESE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT, UM, TAKING SOMETHING MORE LONG-TERM ANY QUESTIONS.
SO ON THIS NOW, SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE INFORMATION FOR THE, FOR OUR COUNCIL MEETING NOW FOR MONDAY.
UM, UM, THERE'S NO RUSH TO THIS.
THESE ARE MATURING IN NOVEMBER.
SO FIRST READING MONDAY SEC, READING, UH, THE 27TH, THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME TO, UM, PUT THOSE OUT TO MARKET, UH, IN OCTOBER.
ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS IN THESE ISSUANCES ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
[ County Assessments Authorization]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZATION.THAT WOULD ALSO BE A, AN ITEM THAT I HAD ON THE AGENDA.
AND THAT IS, UM, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I JUST BROUGHT, UH, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING IN AUGUST, UH, ASSESSMENTS, UH, QUITE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, YOU KNOW, I GOT TONY'S EYES TO BUCK OUT.
IT'S HOW MANY ASSESSMENTS WE HAD ON THAT.
UM, NOT QUITE AS MANY, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, CONTACTED ME AND SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE SOME ASSESSMENTS TO SEND YOU FOR DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER STORM, WATER BILLS.
AND SO WE CONTACTED THE COUNTY AND SAID, WE KNOW YOUR DEADLINE IS APPROACHING, WHICH I THINK TODAY MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE DEADLINE FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
AND, UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD EXTEND IT.
IF WE WERE TO PUT THESE ON AND PASS THEM ON MONDAY NIGHT, THEY WOULD STILL PUT THEM ON NEXT YEAR'S ASSESSMENTS FOR PROPERTY TAXES.
OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COLLECT ON THOSE UNTIL 2023.
SO I WAS VERY NICE OF THEM TO WORK WITH US ON THAT.
AND SO WENT AHEAD AND TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND ADDED A FEW MORE OF OUR OWN, UH, FOR GRASS AND WEEDS, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, TRASH AND LITTER.
UH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE ALL FROM SUEZ ON DELINQUENT, WATER, SEWER, AND STORM WATER BILLS.
BUT IF A COUNCIL, IF IT'S, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD, UH, UH, PASS THIS, I THINK WE NEED TWO READINGS FOR A MONDAY NIGHT AND I GET THOSE TO THE COUNTY MONDAY, SO THEY CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS FOR NEXT YEAR.
THE SECOND READING, READING ADOPTED AS EMERGENCY.
I THINK IT IS LISTED AS EMERGENCY GUESTS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Energy Aggregation Discussion]
THREE, WHICH IS THE ENERGY AGGREGATION DISCUSSION.UH, YES, THIS, UH, COMING UP THIS YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR IS THE, UH, ENERGY AGGREGATION AGREEMENT ENDS AND A RICH SERVICE FROM, UH, ENERGY ALLIANCE IS HERE TO DO A BRIEF, UH, PRESENTATION ON WHAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO HERE PRETTY SOON.
THAT'S GOOD TO FINALLY SEE YOU GUYS IN PERSON.
WE DID THIS VIRTUALLY LAST YEAR.
UH, SO AS MR. BERGMAN HAS SAID, UH, THE CURRENT AGGREGATION ENDS DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, UH, BUT REALLY TO GET THINGS MOVING AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPT-OUT WINDOW AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, EVERYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN REALLY BY THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER.
SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT THREE MORE MEETINGS, UM, TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF THAT DEADLINE, BUT WE'VE, UH, MR. BERGMAN AND I WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR AWHILE, UM, MARKET HAS CHANGED.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
NOT THAT ANYTHING HAS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE SORT OF A STICKER SHOCK OR ANYTHING ELSE TO COME, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER AND SAY, YOU NEED TO DECIDE TODAY.
UH, AND, AND YOU SAY, WELL, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T GIVE US ANY KIND OF WARNING ON THIS? SO, UH, AGAIN, ONE OF THE COMMON, JUST SORT OF TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, WHERE THE MARKET IS, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE MAYBE SOME DECISIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, SO AGAIN, CURRENT PROGRAM ENDS IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, RIGHT? A 4.69, I THINK GO BACK TO, AND ONE MORE FIELD ONE, SORRY, IF YOU HIT ESCAPE.
AND, UH, SO THE, THE PRICE EXPIRING IS A 4.69 A AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OVER PREVIOUS YEARS, AND EVEN DURING THE MEETING LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PERFORMING ACCOUNTS ARE THOSE THAT
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ARE NOT ALL ELECTRIC, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF BREAK IN PRICE FOR THOSE ALL ELECTRIC HOMES DURING THE WINTER.UH, SO IT'S THOSE WHO ARE NOT ALL ELECTRIC.
WE KNOW WE'RE SEEING SAVINGS FOR THOSE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT DISCOUNT PRICE FOR THE ALL ELECTRIC HOMES.
IT COMES A LITTLE BIT OF A MATH PROBLEM.
CAUSE YOU MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL ELECTRIC, LET'S SAY THEY GO TO FLORIDA ALL WINTER, RIGHT? SO THEN THE WAY THAT MATH KIND OF WORKS OUT.
SO WE KNOW WITH CERTAINTY THAT ALMOST 80% OF THE PARTICIPANTS ARE CLEARLY SAVING MONEY.
IT'S THAT OTHER 20% THAT IT COMES DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR INDIVIDUAL USAGE ON HOW THEY'RE PERFORMING WITH THIS PROGRAM.
UM, SO THESE PRICES I'M SHOWING HERE, UM, WE DID GO OUT TO BID JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THE MARKET WAS AT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE PRICES WERE AS OF LAST WEDNESDAY, THERE ARE A LOT HIGHER, RIGHT? SO, RIGHT.
SO COMING FROM A 4, 6, 9 NOW TO A 12 MONTH WOULD BE A 5, 5, 9 17 MONTH 5, 3, 9 24 MONTH 5, 1 9, UH, IS A LOT HIGHER.
AND WHY IS THAT? WELL, SOME OF IT WAS THE FIRST REAL SUMMER WE'VE HAD KIND OF IN A WHILE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE WERE SOME HOT DAYS LAST YEAR, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY EXTENSIVE HEAT FOR THIS YEAR, WHICH HAS DRIVEN UP PRICES.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A HURRICANE THAT WENT THROUGH AND DID SOME SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE, UH, AROUND THE GOLF LAST WEEK, WHICH IS KIND OF PROMPT PRICES UP.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE, THE MARGINAL CALLED THE MARGINAL GENERATION UNIT IS NATURAL GAS.
SO NATURAL GAS PRICES HAVE REALLY SKYROCKETED A LOT.
AND WE'LL SEE THAT ON SOME, SOME FUTURE SLIDES.
AND THAT'S REALLY, WHAT'S KIND OF DRIVING THESE PRICES HIGHER.
IS THAT JUST THE OVERALL KIND OF BASE FUELS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE GENERATION HAS REBOUNDED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHAT I TALKED TO YOU GUYS LAST YEAR, AND WE KIND OF CAME OFF, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE PANDEMIC WAS SORT OF, UH, REALLY KIND OF GETTING A HOLD AND THEN, UH, ONE THING WITH THOSE PRICES, WE DO HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, UH, PUTTING ON A RENEWABLE OPT-IN OPTION.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN, IT'S AN INCREASE IN PRICE, BUT WE DO SEE SOME COMMUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, THE DEFAULT RATE IS TRADITIONAL NON-RENEWABLE, BUT THEN FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO OPT IN TO A RENEWABLE PRICE, THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREMENTAL TO THAT.
SO JUST AS A BASE PARK RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT 0.60 CENTS ADDED TO THOSE PRICES FOR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO OPT IN.
AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST COMPLETELY INDICATIVE.
IT WAS OF LAST WEEK MARKET AFTRA DID COME UP A LITTLE BIT TODAY.
IT'S JUST MORE OF THIS IDEA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU UNLESS WE HAVE OTHER SIGNIFICANT ISSUES, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MID AGAIN.
IT'S JUST NOT WHERE THE MARKET IS ANYMORE.
ACTUALLY, I THINK THERE'S TWO SLIDES BACK.
DOES THAT CHART ON SLIDE FOUR? UM, SO THIS IS HOW POWER PRICES HAVE MOVED, UM, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOUGH TO SEE, BUT ON THAT FAR LEFT, UH, TH THERE'S KIND OF THREE MARKS AND ORANGE.
SO AES, OHIO, THEY SET THEIR BASE PRICE BY AUCTIONS.
THEY'RE ON SEVERAL AUCTIONS OVER SEVERAL YEARS, AND THAT'S HOW THEY SET THE DIFF THAT THEIR DEFAULT PRICE.
AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE AGGREGATIONS TRIED TO DO TO TRY TO COMPETE WITH THAT, OR TO BE BETTER THAN THAT.
AND THOSE THREE ARE WHERE THE TIMEFRAME RIGHT NOW.
SO MAY OF, I'M SORRY, JUNE OF THIS YEAR TO MAY OF NEXT YEAR, THAT'S WHEN THOSE AUCTIONS WERE SET.
SO OBVIOUSLY PRETTY LOW MARKS.
AND WE ACTUALLY GOT THE AGGREGATION PRICE RIGHT ABOUT THERE AS WELL.
BUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, WE'VE SEEN PRICES, POWER PRICE THEMSELVES REALLY KIND OF SKYROCKET.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE AGGREGATION? WELL, ONE, OBVIOUSLY WE SEE THAT THE REFRESH PRICING FOR THE RENEWABLES IS HIGHER.
WHAT DOES THIS ALSO DUE TO AES OHIO'S PRICING WELL, WHERE THEY PREVIOUSLY RAN THREE SEPARATE OPTIONS FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, THEY HAVE PROCURED NO PRICING AT ALL FOR NEXT SUMMER AND BEYOND.
SO THEY ARE COMPLETELY EXPOSED TO THE MARKET.
SO THE IDEA OF THESE AUCTIONS IS YOU RUN IT KIND OF OVER TIME AND YOU TRY TO SMOOTH OUT ANY, YOU KNOW, VOLATILITY WHERE THEY WERE LUCKY THAT PRICES WERE PRETTY LOW.
THEY HAVE NOTHING PURCHASED YET.
SO IF THOSE AUCTIONS RAN TODAY, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT PRICES WOULD BE ROUGHLY $12 A MEGAWATT HOUR, MORE THAN THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEIR NEXT AUCTION IS ACTUALLY THIS UPCOMING MARCH.
AND AT THAT POINT THEY WILL CURE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE POWER FOR NEXT SUMMER UNTIL THE FOLLOWING SUMMER.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES, UM, FOR THE AGGREGATION, EVEN THOUGH THOSE PRICES DO LOOK HIGHER, IS THAT RIGHT? AND RIGHT NOW THE BENCHMARK IS COMPLETELY EXPOSED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO SOFTENING OF BUYING ANY OF THOSE LOW PRICES OR ANYTHING ELSE THEY'RE GONNA BUY COMPLETELY AT THE MARKET.
CAN PRICES COME DOWN BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, BUT THE COME DOWN TO WHERE THEY WERE, I THINK IS VERY UNLIKELY.
UM, AND EVEN IF THEY COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, AT HALF, THAT'S STILL $6 MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW, STILL MAKING ANY OF THOSE AGGREGATION PRICES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET HAS COME UP A LOT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT OBVIOUSLY IN THE AGGREGATION, AS WELL AS THE DEFAULT SERVICES, WHICH WILL, WILL BE THE BENCHMARK.
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SO SOME CONCERNS WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CURRENT PROGRAM OBVIOUSLY IS JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR ALL ELECTRIC HOMES.DEPENDS, RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON EVERYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL USAGE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WORKS INTO HOW MUCH THEY USE IN THE WINTER VERSUS HOW MUCH THEY USE IN THE SUMMER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES, WELL, THERE'S PR THERE'S LOWER PRICES ONLINE.
THAT'S WHY THE PROGRAM HAS NO TERMINATION FEES.
PEOPLE COME AND GO AS THEY, THEY CAN SHOP ALL THEY WANT.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING ELSE THAT I SAW WAS RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 34, 12 MONTH OFFERS OUT ON THE PUBLIC UTILITIES.
ONLY THREE OF THEM ARE BETTER THAN THE AGGREGATION AND OR D P AND L OR AES OHIO'S PRICES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 31 OFFERS OUT THERE THAT IF SOMEBODY TOOK BLINDLY, THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY PLAYING HIGHER THAN THE AGGREGATION AND THE DEFAULT PRICE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHERE THE AGGREGATION BOTH WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
CAUSE YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE AS FAR AS TERMINATION FEES COMING AND GOING KNOW, PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SHOP ALL THEY WANT.
IT'S WHY WE MAKE IT EASY WITH NO TERMINATION FEES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SORT OF AT THE, AT THE MERCY OF, OF WHAT YOU DO WITH ZERO PROTECTION OF ANYBODY ELSE, KIND OF LOOKING INTO WHAT THAT MAY BE.
SO MY FINAL THOUGHTS, I THINK I MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR PRICES ARE ON THE RISE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE AGGREGATION OFFERS GIVE SOME CERTAINTY ON, ON ENERGY PRICES HERE.
WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT AES IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WHEN THEY PROCURE THAT, UH, AS WELL AS IF THEY DECIDE TO CHANGE THEIR STRUCTURE.
I MEAN, WHO KNOWS IF THEY COME OUT NEXT JUNE AND SAY THIS LITTLE, A LOWER PRICE THAT WE GIVE TO ALL ELECTRIC HOMES, WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S UNCERTAINTY FOR THAT.
UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO RISK FOR TERMINATION FEES, UH, ON THE AGGREGATION PRICE AND THEN OFFERS OTHER PROTECTIONS THAT, UH, MASS MARKET OFFERS OTHERS OFFERS THAT PEOPLE CAN GO OUT ONLINE AND GET, UH, SO AGAIN, UH, NOTHING TO, NOTHING TO DO TODAY, JUST MORE OF A TOUCH BASE ON WHERE WE ARE.
SO THAT, UH, AS A SAM, I'M SURE I'LL COME BACK AGAIN, WHETHER IT BE NEXT WEEK OR AT LEAST ONE OR TWO TIMES OVER THE NEXT MONTH BEFORE WE DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, UM, WHERE THINGS ARE RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU REMEMBER HAVING THE, HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, AND I THINK NANCY, YOU HAD BROUGHT UP SOME POINTS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET VERSUS AGGREGATION.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE IF SOMEBODY IS ON THEIR OWN AND CAN SHOP.
UM, BUT I GUESS, SO JUST STATE AGAIN, KIND OF WHEN, WHEN OURS EXPIRES, WHEN SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS CAN BE MADE IN TERMS OF WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT, YEAH, THIS IS THE PRICE WE'RE GOING TO JUMP IN AT, AND CERTAINLY YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, HOW, HOW IS THIS GOING TO COME BACK AND, AND REALLY KIND OF WHEN, WHAT IS OUR, WHAT IS OUR DEADLINE? SURE.
UH, SO THE PROGRAM DOES END ON THE DECEMBER METER READ DATE.
SO THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY.
IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THEIR, THEIR METERS, RIGHT.
BUT WE'LL JUST SAY DECEMBER 1ST, WE ALWAYS KIND OF GO BACK TO THAT FIRST ONE AND THEN DECISIONS AT THAT POINT HAVE TO USUALLY BALLPARK AROUND 45 TO 60 DAYS FROM THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE 21 DAY OPT-OUT WINDOW.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REGULATORY GATES IN THERE, BUT IN SHORT, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVEN'T TOLD THE MIDDLE.
I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER 14TH WHEN IT WAS A DROP DEAD DATE.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE A MEETING ON THE 11TH.
SO WE'LL JUST SAY THAT DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, UH, BY THE 11TH.
SO I THINK THERE'S THREE MORE MEETINGS OF OCTOBER.
BEFORE, UM, AT THAT POINT, IF NOTHING, IF NO DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE, EVERYBODY WOULD JUST GET SENT BACK TO THE UTILITY AND THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM, AT LEAST FOR NOW WOULD CEASE TO EXIST.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATIONS, I WANT TO WATCH THIS MARKET FOR ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO, RIGHT? THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME THINGS SHAKING OUT.
I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS BECAUSE OF THIS HURRICANE THAT I'VE NOT PLAYED INTO THE MARKET.
AND THEN YOU HAD A MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT POWER DOWN SOUTH LAST WEEK, AND THAT HASN'T REALLY SHOWED UP.
I THINK IN SOME OF THESE GUESTS MARKETS, IT'S VERY, IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE KATRINA, WHERE THE MARKET RAN UP A LOT.
AND THEN ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER, IT CAME OFF VERY SHARPLY.
WE HAD A MILLION PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH WITHOUT POWER THERE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, SO THE SUPPLY OF GAS OR THE STORAGE OF ASPIRIN.
SO I WANT TO WATCH IT, BUT I, BUT I COULD SEE MYSELF COMING BACK AGAIN, IF NOT THE NEXT MEETING, THE MEETING AFTER THAT, AND MAYBE, UH, ASKING FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF A, UH, AN ADDER BELOW, WE DID THAT LAST TIME TOO.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF TAKE AT THAT POINT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT FOR A WORK SESSION OR A MEETING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF LAG TIME.
WE HAD THAT HAPPEN WITH THE VERY FIRST PROGRAM WHERE THAT PRICE MOVED AROUND A LOT IN THAT SORT OF A ONE TO TWO WEEK PERIOD WOULD BE TO ASK FOR AN OUTER BOLO AT A SET PRICE FOR A SET TIME.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, GIVING, UH, THE CITY MANAGER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AGREED UPON BY CAL CHIP.
WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE TIME PERIOD FOR THIS CONTRACT? SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T, THIS WILL BE, SO WE SHOOT 24.
I WANT TO HAVE, I WANTED TO HAVE, UH, GO BACK AND MAYBE LOOK AT A 30 MONTH TWO.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY END UP SOMEWHERE IN THIS, LET'S SAY 17 TO 30 MONTH ISH TIMEFRAME.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT AS YOU SEE THE 12 MONTH, IT'S VERY HIGH, RIGHT.
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THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, JUST THE MONTHS KIND OF GOING INTO THIS WINTER ARE VERY HIGH.SO WE'RE, THAT'S NOT SOFTENING UP AT ALL.
I THINK WE NEED TO EXTEND THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME LOWER PRICES IN THE FUTURE MARKET TO LOWER THAT DOWN.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU ASKED ME TODAY, WE'RE PROBABLY AROUND 24 MONTHS, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
I THINK 36 MONTHS OR THREE YEARS IS PROBABLY TOO LONG ON AS MUCH VOLATILITY AS, AS THERE IS IN THE MARKET.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WHATEVER WE NEGOTIATE WE'LL SAVE, UM, SOME OF OUR, OUR CITIZENS THAT DON'T SHOP AROUND FOR A RATE THAT IT WILL SAVE THEM SOME MONEY.
UM, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT, UM, THAT WE LOCK IN A CONTRACT FOR A GIVEN PERIOD.
AND THEN YOU GUYS GO TO AUCTION IN MARCH AND YOU GET A CUT RATE AND WE DON'T BENEFIT FROM THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M HERE TODAY AND IT WASN'T HERE TWO MONTHS AGO.
SO THE PRICES WERE MUCH LOWER TWO MONTHS AGO, BUT MY CONCERN WAS IS I WOULD COME TO YOU AND ASKED YOU TO LOCK INTO A PRICE THAT, THAT WERE LOWER AND THAT MARKET CONTINUED TO GO DOWN AND THEN THE DEFAULT SERVICE LOCKED IN LOWER.
SO THAT'S WHY, YES, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER THAN I LIKE TO BE ABOUT A AWAY FROM HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SORT OF CERTAINTY, OR I HAVE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MARKET KIND OF COLLAPSING DURING THE WINTER THAN I DO DURING THE FALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I STILL FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PRICES WE CAN BRING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO MAKE THE MOST EDUCATED DECISION THAT WE CAN TO BRING THAT, UH, BASED ON WHERE WE FEEL THE MARKET MAY BE AROUND OCTOBER, UH, AROUND MARCH WHEN AES WITH BLOCKING THEIR PRICES.
AND I'M SORRY, WAIT, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT, IT MOVES, YOU KNOW, AGAINST AGAIN, WE ALWAYS HAVE THE NO TERMINATION FEE.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY AT THAT POINT CAN DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND THEY WANTED TO SHOP AND, OR GO BACK TO THE DEFAULT SERVICE, NO TERMINATION FEE.
[ Chambersburg Road Widening Project - Phase IV - Contract Modification]
UP IS I AM THREE F, WHICH IS A CHAMBERSBURG WIDENING PROJECT PHASE FOR THE CONTRACT MODIFICATION.UH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CHAMBERSBURG PHASE FOUR.
THAT'S THE ROAD WE PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING, UH, OUT ON CHAMBERSBURG, JUST, UH, EAST OF BELL FOUNTAIN.
UH, WE DID PHASE THREE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AND THAT WENT TO THE END OF ARTISTS AND WALK.
UH, WHAT I'M HERE FOR TONIGHT IS, UH, ABOUT, WE GOT APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT IN 2018 WITH ODOD AND MCRPC.
AND WE WERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF INTO THAT PROJECT.
WHEN, UM, SOMEBODY FROM ODOD CAME UP AND SAID THAT WE WEREN'T MEETING THE REQUIRED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEY KIND OF WANTED US TO PULL THEM, PULL THE PLUG ON THE PROJECT AND REDO IT WHEN WE GET SOMETHING OUT THERE.
SO WE HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH ODOD AND WE EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT I EXPLAINED TO THEM, WHAT THE SITUATION WAS THAT YOU SEND IT, THE CITY IS WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IT'S GOING TO ALL HAPPEN BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS GETTING FILLED UP.
ALL THE RESIDENTIAL IS PRETTY MUCH TAKING THE EAST OR THE WEST AND THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
SO, UH, IN THAT TIME, THOUGH, THEY DID ASK FOR A FEW THINGS.
AND ONE THING SCOTT TOOK CARE OF WAS, UH, THEY WANTED A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT AREA.
SO HE, UH, WORKING WITH THEM IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, UH, CAME UP WITH A PLAN AND PRESENTED IT TO THEM.
AND THEY HAVE NOW FINALLY AGREED THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT, BUT WE GOT DELAYED, I BELIEVE ONE YEAR WITH THE PROJECT.
IT'S A FIVE-YEAR TERM FROM START TO FINISH.
SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT 2024 AS THE CONSTRUCTION YEAR, BUT, UM, WITH THAT, THERE WAS MANY THINGS WE HAD TO DO IN THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF WITH THE CONSULTANT WHO HAD TO PRESENT EXTRA STUDIES.
AND, UH, NOW IT'S TO THE POINT WHERE HA THAT THEY APPROVED IT, THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL THINGS TO GO ALONG WITH APPROVING IT.
AND A FEW OF THOSE THINGS ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, WHICH IS ONE THING THEY NORMALLY DO, BUT THEY'VE NO LONGER NOW COVERED THAT.
AND THE, UH, THE CITY OR THE CONSULTANT HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
THEY HAVE TO REDO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE SPACE, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX.
UM, THE DRAWING UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE PHASE FOUR RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 3000 FEET LONG IN THAT AREA.
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AND LIKE YOU SEE W FIVE AND SIX TO THE RIGHT OF IT.AT THAT POINT, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT FIVE AND SIX, POSSIBLY MAKING IT ONE, ONE PHASE.
BUT ANYWAYS, ON THIS PHASE FOUR, UM, ONE THING THEY'RE REQUIRING IS WE HAD AN EIGHT FOOT BIKE PATH RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
THEY NOW WANT IT 10 FOOT FOR SOME NEW STANDARDS, AND THEY WANT US TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, FOUR OR FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, WHY I'M DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT TO GET THE FUNDING.
SO WITH THAT, THERE'S NUMEROUS PLAN CHANGES AND SAY, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD UP A LOT OF THAT.
PRESENT A LOT MORE COST TO THE PROJECT AND UH, WITH THEIR PLAN REVISIONS, UH, IT'S ALSO RIGHT AWAY.
IN SOME INSTANCES WE HAVE TO GO OUT FURTHER WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY NOW.
AND SOME OF THAT IS TAKING RIGHT AWAY OR PURCHASING RIGHT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE, PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN.
UH, SO THERE'S RIGHT AWAY, REVISIONS RIGHT AWAY TAKES, UH, WITH THAT IS MORE SERVING MORE EXHIBITS.
UM, AND THEN PUBLIC MEETINGS, THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF FOR US.
UM, THEY'RE ASKING ADDITIONAL IT'S ROUGHLY 83,000 IN COSTS.
THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS 130, 5,000.
UH, SO THEY ACTUALLY SAID THEY'VE DONE SOME EXTRA WORK ALREADY THAT WASN'T IN OUR CONTRACT TO HELP US GET THROUGH TO NOW.
SO, UM, THEY WERE ASKING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS NOT TO EXCEED.
UH, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS PROJECT WILL CONTINUE.
THEY HAVE TO TWO PHASES OR NOT PHASES, BUT TWO STAGES OF DRAWINGS TO FINISH IT.
UH, I THINK THE THIRD AND FOURTH STAGE.
AND, UH, THEN WE'LL GO OUT TO BID ON THAT ROUGHLY TWO YEARS FROM NOW.
SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, AT THIS POINT, IT'S JUST ASKING FOR MORE MONEY TO, UH, HELP THE CONSULTANT FINISH UP THE PLANS.
SO THE NOT TO EXCEED IS THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ABOVE WHAT? THE ORIGINAL 1 35 COUNTRIES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? THANK YOU.
UM, SO, SO RUSS, WE'RE LOOKING AT A, UM, AN ADDITIONAL, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, FOR THIS PORTION FOR PHASE FOUR.
AND YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS, YOU SAID DOING A LOT OF THESE EXTRA THINGS ARE GOING TO, IN YOUR OPINION, DRIVE THE COST OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT UP.
IT'LL DRIVE IT UP SOME, YES, BECAUSE, UH, IT WILL BE ADDITIONAL, UM, LIKE EARTH WORK ON THE ONE SIDE BUILDING UP THE ROAD, ADDING SIDEWALK AND, UH, ON BOTH SIDES, IT TWO FEET ON ONE SIDE AND THEN A FOUR, PROBABLY A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WHAT'S YOUR ENGINEER'S BACK OF THE NAPKIN GUESTS ON THAT INCREASE? UH, RIGHT NOW THE PROJECT WAS ESTIMATED AT, UH, EARLY ON ABOUT 1.8 OR 1.9 MILLION, UM, PROBABLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 200,000 MAYBE.
AND, UH,
SO THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT 1.2 MILLION OF THE PROJECT.
ANY OBJECTIONS OF HIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ 2021 Sidewalk Program and Concrete Portion of the 2021 Street Program - Contract Modification]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE GENE, WHICH IS THE 2021 SIDEWALK PROGRAM AND CONCRETE PORTION OF THE 2021 STREET PROGRAM CONTRACT MODIFICATION.WHAT THIS IS, IS, UH, UH, THIS YEAR THEY ODOD IS GOING TO BE PAVING OLD TROY PIKE FROM THE, UH, SOUTH PORTAL AREA, I GUESS, SORRY, SOUTH COURT PROBATION LINE TO FITCHBURG ROAD.
AND NOW IT USED TO BE, THEY JUST CHARGED US 20% OF THE PROJECT TO REPAVE IT.
UH, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR RULES.
AND NOW WHENEVER THEY REPAVE ANY AREA ON LIKE STATE ROUTES, DO YOU HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO ALL THE HANDICAP ROOMS? YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM ALL UP TO ADA STANDARDS.
UH, WE HAVE 28 HANDICAP RAMPS IN THAT STRETCH OF ROAD THAT NEED TO BE REVISED.
UM, WE DID GO BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR.
THAT'S DOING THE CURB WORK RIGHT NOW AND WHO, UH, DID SOME OF THE HANDICAP RAMPS WITH THAT STREET PROGRAM.
AND, UH, THEY, THEY AGREED TO DO IT AT THE, THEIR BID PRICE, WHICH WAS BACK IN THE SPRING, UH, TO DO THIS AT THE HANDICAP RAMPS, UM, THAT CAME IN AT $55,000.
UH, SO WE FEEL THAT THIS WAS KIND OF A BID OUT PROJECT BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE PART OF THEIR BID WHEN THEY DID THE STREET PROGRAM.
SO WE DECIDED TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT WITH, UM, MULTITASK TO DO THE WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
AND IT'S AN INCREASE OF 55,000 TO THE TOTAL OF 835,000 OF THEIR ORIGINAL FOOTAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.
SO IT'S KIND OF A THING WE DIDN'T KNOW WAS COMING THAT, OH, THAT'S GOING TO START REQUIRING THIS NEXT YEAR.
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AT THE SOUTH END AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR TOO.SO WE'LL WORK THAT INTO THE RIGHT UP FRONT TO GET IT.
UH, OH, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME ON THIS FOR OLD TROY? UH, SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE ON THAT ONE.
THEY'RE DOING IT THIS YEAR YET.
SO PROBABLY TOWARDS NOVEMBER WHAT I WAS SAYING.
UM, MAY I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IN A COUPLE OF OTHER TOPICS ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION OF OUR SIDEWALKS, SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY, HOW, UM, COMING OFF OF A SIDEWALK DOWN TO THE ROADWAY, CURVES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THE, AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TEXTURE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROJECT, ARE WE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE ITEMS IN HERE? UM, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK BY, BY DOING THAT, IF WE'RE ALREADY MAKING THESE MODIFICATIONS ON SOME OF THESE RAMPS AND OTHER DETAILS, UH, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY WOULD BE OPEN TO IT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE W W WHERE THEY WOULD GO ON IT, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SIMILAR THINGS LIKE WE DID AT THE, UM, BRANT CHAMBERSBURG INTERSECTION KIND OF CROSSWALK AREA? YEAH.
SO, UM, I MEAN, IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING, UH, DOING THE CONCRETE WORK, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE CURVES AND THE RAMPS.
I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE IN MY OPINION.
I MEAN, I THINK, UM, LOOK, I, I STILL GET COMPLIMENTS ABOUT WHAT WE DID AT BRAND CHAMBERSBURG ON THOSE CROSSWALKS.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE CERTAINLY, UH, BEAUTIFICATION THINGS THAT WE DID THAT PEOPLE REALLY LIKE.
UH, SO YEAH, IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A GOOD GESTURE TO A LOT OF OUR BUSINESS AND RESIDENTS, UM, AND THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR COMMUNITY TO REALLY SEE, UH, THE CITY PUT FORTH SOME BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS ON SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR ROADS.
UM, SO I'M JUST ONE COUNSELOR, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE STAFF GO BACK AND REWORK THOSE NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THAT DONE.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, I WOULDN'T DISAGREE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE FOCUS A LOT ON, ON THE SOUTH END OF BRANT PIKE AND REVISE AND REVITALIZING, BUT THEY'RE ON OLD TROY PIPE.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN FOCUSED SO MUCH ON THAT BECAUSE WE WERE FOCUSED ON BRAND PIKE.
SO, UM, YEAH, SCOTT, YOU GOT SOMETHING TO ADD.
I MEAN, I, I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT BETTER, I'M CERTAINLY ALL FOR SURE.
AND, UH, MR. BERGMAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS JUST FOR THE INTERSECTIONS, THE, UM, THE ADA RAMPS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS, THE PARTS THAT'S WITHIN THE PAVEMENT, WITHIN THE CROSSWALKS, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE NEXT PHASE OF THE, WHEN WE PAVE, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT IN TWO.
SO THE REQUEST THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT REWORKING THE NUMBERS FOR THE NEXT STAGE, YES, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT, BUT FOR THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS JUST FOR THAT CURB WORK AND THE SIDEWALK WORK THAT GOES AT THE INTERSECTION ITSELF, NOT WHAT GOES OUT INTO THE PAGE AND THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN MY PRESENTATION ISSUE.
I DO KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS AND PHASES OF THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF THAT NOW, RATHER THAN WE GET TO CRUNCH TIME AND SAY, HEY, SCOTT, WE WANT TO DO ALL THIS.
AND THEN YOU'RE UPSTAIRS, YOU KNOW, WORKING, YOU KNOW, EIGHT, 10 HOURS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.
UH, ONE THING I DID, I WAS MISTAKEN.
WE'RE DOING THE WORK NOW, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S EARLY 20, 20 NEXT YEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAVING NOW THAT'S ODATA CONTRACTOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PAVING, WE'D HAVE TO WORK IT OUT WITH ODAT TO SEE IF THEY'LL ADD IT TO THEIR CONTRACT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY LET YOU DO.
WE CAN TRY TO FIND OUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE OH, NOT JUST SCREWED UP ROUTE FOUR, IN MY OPINION, THE SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT THEM OVER A BARREL.
I WILL ADD TO THAT TOO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE DID AT BRANDT AND CHAMBERSBURG, UM, THAT WAS DONE ON FRESHLY PAVED ROAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY ABLE TO COME BACK AND DO AFTER THEY'RE DONE, IF IT'S NOT A PART OF THAT ORIGINAL CONTRACT, IT'S, UH, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE RIGHT AFTER THEY PAVE IT.
I THINK IT'S A LOT OF THE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY AND THEY, LIKE, WHEN THEY SEE IT MAKES THEM PROUD OF WHERE THEY ARE IN THE SPACE OF THE RENT AS WELL, ALL THOSE THINGS, I THINK, MAKE A DIFFERENCE, MAKE A GOOD IMPACT.
MARK, RICHARD, TO CLARIFY YOU, YOU WANT EXACTLY WHAT WE DID AT CHAMBERSBURG AND BRENT.
SO, SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FRESHLY PAVED.
WE CAN CONTRACT AND DO THAT OURSELVES, RIGHT? YES, WE CAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH RICHARD, IF YOU COULD GET BACK WITH US, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT WORK SESSION, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COST AND WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I, I HAVE TO ASK, UM, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT, UH, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND 2 0 2.
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SO WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT IS WE ONLY WANT TO DO THIS KIND OF THING WHEN WE REPAVE.UM, BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIFESPAN OF IT.
SO THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD WAS NOT COMPLETELY BEING REPAVED.
SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL DO IT.
SO DO WE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP THIS ON THE TABLE, ANYTIME THAT WE HAVE A MAJOR INTERSECTION THAT GETS REPAVED, THAT IT'S KIND OF A GIVEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE CAN DO THAT REGARDLESS OF WHERE IN THE CITY.
STAFF KNOWS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO REPAVE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE CROSSING OVER MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE NEED TO EASY, BROUGHT UP AND LOOKED INTO AS FAR AS WHAT THE OVERALL CONTRACT WITH THE OVERALL BID IS.
WE NEED TO MOVE THIS TO MONDAY EVENING FOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? ANY OBJECTION.
[ Marian Meadows Demolition - Phase II - Award Contract ]
OKAY.WAS THAT IN THREE H WHICH IS THE MARION MEADOWS, DEMOLITION PHASE TWO AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT? UH, YES, THIS IS STILL ME.
UM, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, THIS, THIS IS MARIN MEADOWS.
UH, UNITED FURNITURE AND STORE, UH, IS, UH, PLANNED TO BE DEMOLISHED, UH, FROM THE DRAWING THERE, FROM THE ARIEL.
YOU CAN SEE THE SMALLER X IS THE BUILDING OF THE UNITED FURNITURE AND THE TOP PART'S ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED.
UH, THIS WAS FELL UNDER US, UM, UH, GRANT MONEY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
UH, BRIAN COULD TELL YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT WE WENT OUT TO BID FOR DEMOLITION OF THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND TO THE WHOLE AREA OF THE BIG X PARKING LOT TO MILL IT AND LEAVE THE MILLINGS THERE.
AND THAT WAY, WHEN WE DO THE WORK THERE, THEY CAN JUST TAKE IT UP.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL THE ASPHALT AND THEY CAN USE MAILINGS FOR FILL AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
SO IT'S GOOD STUFF TO HAVE ACTUALLY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE BID IT OUT AND, UM, WE HAD, UH, FIVE BIDDERS AND ADVANCED DEMOLITION CAME IN, UH, 59,300, ROUGHLY ABOUT, UM, THREE 30,000, LESS THAN A SECOND, A LITTLE BITTER.
AND THEN WE DID CONTACT THEM TO VERIFY THEY WANTED TO CHECK OVER THEIR BED AND EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING.
UH, WE DID CALL A COUPLE PLACES AND THEY HAVE, THEY DO PRETTY GOOD WORK.
THEY, UH, PLACE THAT WE CALLED.
UH, SO THEY DID, THEY DID GOOD WORK AND THEY DID DO IT ON TIME.
SO, UM, HE DID, I'D SAY 110 CALENDAR DAYS.
I CALLED HIM LAST WEEK AND ASKED HIM WHEN HE WOULD DO IT.
HE THOUGHT IN OCTOBER, YOU WOULD GET IT DONE.
SO IT'S DEMOLITION OF THAT PART AND THEN MILLING OF THE REST OF THE PART OF THE MONTH.
THAT BRINGS ME SCOTT TO THE QUESTION IN REGARD TO ALL THE TRUCKS THAT ARE PARKED THERE.
SO AS WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THAT AGAIN, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN.
AND I THINK MOST OF THE ARE, ARE DRIVERS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A TEMPORARY SOLUTION FOR THEM.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS END UP WITH, UH, UH, A ONE WEEK NOTICE THAT YOU GOT TO GO.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE AHEAD OF THAT.
AND WE'RE TREATING THEM AS CUSTOMERS OF THE CITY AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE OTHER ARRANGEMENTS.
SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THAT.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO, KNOWING THAT THIS DAY WILL COME RIGHT.
AND SO WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE THAT THEY'VE CREATED, UM, BASICALLY LIKE A LITTLE PLACARD TO PUT OUT, UM, TO GIVE TO ALL OF THOSE DRIVERS, WHETHER IT'S JUST ON THE WINDSHIELD OR WHATEVER, UM, THAT NOTIFIES THEM, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GIVE A, MONTH'S NOTICE TO GIVE THEM TIME, TO FIND OTHER OPTIONS, UM, THAT, UH, EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A TWO DAY NOTICE, BUT WE FIGURED A MONTH WAS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
I WAS GOING TO START GOING OUT SOON BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY STARTED DOING THIS IN OCTOBER.
I MEAN, WEEKS SOUNDS LIKE WE GOTTA BE AROUND ON TOP OF THAT.
MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION FOR THE SAME TOPIC, DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM TO COME TO NOT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT OKAY OF SOME COSTS.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A STORAGE PLACE DOWN OFF OF, I THINK, IS AT LISA DRIVE WHERE A LOT OF, A LOT OF DRIVERS DO.
I MEAN, IT'S A WELL-KNOWN PLACE WHERE PEOPLE, UH, DRIVERS DO STORE THEIR RIGS, WEATHER, WEATHER HOME.
SO THERE, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES AVAILABLE IT'S JUST MIGHT NOT BE AS CONVENIENT OR FREE LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER PLACES FOR OUR DRIVERS, UM, TO PARK THEIR RIGS WHILE THEY'RE HOME.
LET'S SAY THERE IS A LOT THAT THEY JUST BUILT SIX MONTHS AGO DOWN USED TO BE VINE, BROOKE OWNED IT NEXT TO RAY'S DRIVE THROUGH.
I BELIEVE IT IS JUST TO THE, UH, WEST OF THAT.
IT'S A BIG GRAB, A LOT THAT HE'S USING TO STORE TRUCKS SO THEY CAN CONTACT THEM.
I CAN GET AHOLD OF WHOEVER IT IS AND LET YOU KNOW IF YOU NEED TO TELL THEM.
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NO, THAT'D BE GREAT INFORMATION FOR US TO HAVE CONTACT.SO-AND-SO JUST AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE, BUT HERE'S AN OPTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DEMOLITION? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Maintenance Cap Increase - Suez Water]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE.I, WHICH IS THE MAINTENANCE CAP INCREASED FOR SUEZ WATER? UH, YES, THIS IS, UH, WE HAD TO DO LAST YEAR.
OUR MAINTENANCE CAP KIND OF IS RUNNING OUT AND, UH, IT WAS AT 160,000.
WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE CAP WHICH PAYS FOR ALL SMALLER ITEMS UNDER $7,500.
AND, UH, THE MAIN REASON WE'VE HAD THIS THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR IS DUE TO THE WATER MAIN BREAKS.
UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, ABOUT THE SAME LITTLE BIT LESS THAN LAST YEAR, BUT, UH, CLOSE TO ABOUT THE SAME, UM, IN EACH ONE OF THOSE COSTS, I'M NOT SURE I'LL MAKE TWO TO $3,000 JUST FOR GRAVEL AND ALL THAT TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
UM, SO WE ARE ASKING TO JUST DO 160,000 FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR TO COVER HOPE, OH, IT SHOULD BE PLENTY TO COVER.
WHAT WE NEED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR IS WHAT, THAT'S, WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
AND THAT'S WHAT ABOUT WHAT WE NEEDED.
SO I DID INCLUDE ALL THE EXPENSES THAT, UH, UH, SUEZ DID INCUR SO FAR THIS YEAR.
AND ONE OF YOUR ATTACHMENTS, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH WAS SPENT AND HOW MUCH WAS LEFT.
AND, UH, FOR THAT REASON, THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE INCREASE AT THIS TIME JUST TO GET US THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR QUESTIONS.
UH, SINCE, UH, RUSS KIND OF OPENED THE DOOR UP A LITTLE BIT ON THIS WITH, UH, WITH WATER MAIN BREAKS, UM, RUSS, I'M NOT ASKING FOR IT NOW AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST, JUST MYSELF.
UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS COUNSEL MAYBE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, AN UPDATE ON HOW THE LINING PROCESS IS GOING, UM, KIND OF THE FUTURE STATE OF THAT? UM, JUST KIND OF OVER AND OVERALL UPDATE.
THAT LINING PROJECT, THE ONE I'LL JUST SAY NOW YOU SHOULD BE FINISHING UP THIS WEEK IN WORST CASE A LITTLE BIT NEXT WEEK, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALL DONE ALL OF THERE.
DO WE KNOW YET WHERE WE'RE GOING NEXT? I MEAN LIKE WHERE THAT LINING IS, OR IS THIS, IS THIS KIND OF WRAPPING UP? CAUSE THAT'S THE AREA WHERE ALL THE BREAKS WERE OR DO WE HAVE, THAT'S THE AREA THAT HAD THE MOST BREAKS THAT WE PLOT EVERY BREAK ON A MAP AND WE PICK THE STREETS THAT WERE THE WORST BASCOM WAS THE WORST, I THINK, AND THE OTHER, UH, TWO OR THREE LONG FOR THAT AREA AND CLAY BACK IN CLIFFWOOD.
I THINK IT IS, UH, WE'RE THE WORST.
AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE PLOTTING THEM ON EVERY YEAR, DECIDE IF THIS WORKS WELL SO FAR.
I THINK IT IS, UH, WE'LL TRY TO DO A LINING PROJECT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER THAN REPLACEMENTS.
SO IT'S ABOUT 75% OF THE COST OF REPLACEMENTS.
SO IT'S A LOT, YOU'RE NOT TAKING UP EVERYTHING TO PUT THE WATER MAIN IN AND HOPEFULLY THE LIFE OF THIS IS GOING TO BE, THEY'RE TELLING ME 50 TO 60 YEARS IS ABOUT WHAT THE OLD ONE WAS.
SO, UH, I PROBABLY PLAN ON CONTINUING A PRO UH, ALIGNING PROJECT EVERY YEAR.
LIKE I SAID, AS LONG AS IT'S GOING OKAY.
THAT'S ONE REASON I WAS ASKING FOR THAT UPDATE ON HOW IT WAS GOING, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST GET SOME DETAILS ON THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AMOUNT OF BREAKS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, 16 MONTHS, UM, AND MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS COUNCIL, IN MY OPINION, COMING UP TO, UH, A BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK INTO PUTTING, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS ON A SOLID, UH, CIP PLAN IN WHEN IT COMES TO THE RELINING PROJECT.
UH, IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD, IF NOT, I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY TO TELL THEM SOME WAY FORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THE CITY OWNS THE WATER.
SUEZ DOES A GREAT JOB RUNNING IT.
WE NEED TO DO A GREAT JOB OF MAKING SURE FINANCIALLY AND RESPONSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR YEARS TO COME.
AND I GUESS WE NEED TO MOVE THAT ON TO MONDAY TO INCREASE THAT CAP.
[ Jonetta Street Lift Station Discussion]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE JEANETTA STREET LIFT STATION DISCUSSION.UM, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPTIONS OF WHAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR THE PUMP STATION AT JANETTA STREET.
UM, YEAH, LET'S DO THAT ONE LAST.
I DID LOOK AT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THIS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE BEING, YOU CAN SEE THE RED DOT UP.
HERE'S WHERE THE LIFT STATION IS, UH, A GENERAL REPAIR OF IT.
I HAD A CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND I LOOKED OVER
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IT THERE'S MANY PROBLEMS. THERE'S ONE PUMP THAT'S TOTALLY FAILED.THE OTHER PUMP IS RUNNING, BUT, UH, THE PIPING IS LEAKING AND IT'S SPRAYING ALL OVER EVERY TIME IT COMES ON.
SO IT'S RUNNING A LOT MORE OFTEN THAN IT SHOULD.
AND, UH, THE PIPING KIND OF NEEDS REPLACED.
AND HE SAID, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RE PLACE A PUMP, YOU BETTER REPLACE THE OTHER ONE TOO.
SO, UM, SO BASICALLY GUTTING THE PUMP STATION AND REPLACING IT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING, THE PUMPS THEMSELVES ARE OVER SEVEN TO 8,000 A PIECE LOOKING AT ABOUT $40,000 WITH LABOR AND EVERYTHING.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, IT'S STILL THE ELECTRIC COST IN THE FUTURE AND THERE'S STILL MAINTENANCE ON IT.
AND THAT BROUGHT US IN AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE MAINTENANCE AND ELECTRICITY.
UH, WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE END HERE, ESPECIALLY AT THE END.
THE SECOND OPTION IS, I THINK I TOLD YOU THIS ONE LAST TIME IS INSTALLING A GRINDER PUMP IN A MANHOLE IN FRONT OF EACH HOUSE, CONNECTING THE LATERAL TO IT, AND THEN RUNNING A TWO INCH FORCE MAIN OVER TO THE EXISTING TWO INCH FORCE MAIN ALTOGETHER THERE NEAR WHERE THAT PUMP STATION IS.
AND THEN YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE PUMP STATION.
AND THAT WAY EVERY INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE HIS OWN LITTLE PUMP STATION TO PAY THE ELECTRIC ON AND TO MAINTAIN.
SO IT WON'T BE ANY CITY INVOLVEMENT IN THAT ONE.
UM, IT'S ROUGHLY, I'M COMING UP WITH ABOUT 45,000.
IT'S V I WAS TOLD 15 TO 20,000 FOR EACH, EACH ONE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAX PROBABLY $60,000 FOR THAT, FOR A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND DO ALL THE WORK THERE.
THEN THE THIRD OPTION, THIS OPTION WE DIDN'T DISCUSS LAST TIME.
UH, BUT A FEW PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME TO LOOK AT THIS.
CAN YOU SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT, ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM FIRST? YOU CAN SEE IT THE STREET BELOW THIS.
CAN YOU GO FURTHER? THERE YOU GO.
BRANDON, DO YOU COURT HAS A SANITARY SEWER.
AND IF WE CONNECT TO THAT IN THE STREET THERE AND RUN IT BETWEEN THE LOTS, WHICH IS ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT 10 FEET DEEP.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A VERY CAREFUL JOB OF DOING IT.
UM, WE MAY HAVE TO CENTER IT BETWEEN THE HOUSES TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT I'M RUNNING SANITARY SEWER.
IT'D BE, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 10 FEET DEEP, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO GET THE SERVICE, THE BASEMENTS UP THERE, AND THIS WOULD BE AN EIGHT INCH LINE.
UM, SCROLL DOWN THEN AGAIN, UM, WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THE CALL TO SACK IN ORDER TO GET ALL THE LATERALS CONNECTED, WOULDN'T BE TOO LONG OF LATERAL.
WE'LL PUT, UH, RUN THE TOP ONE.
THEN WE'LL GO TO THAT LEFT LOT AND BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO YOU'RE NOT RUNNING A LATERAL CROSS, THE GUY'S PROPERTY, ANOTHER GUY'S PROPERTY, WHICH WE DON'T USUALLY WANT TO DO OR ALLOW TO DO.
SO THAT ONE IS 546 FEET OF PIPE.
AND, UM, IT'S AROUND A HUNDRED, PUT $110 LINEAR FOOT, THREE MAN HOLES AND LATERALS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $84,000 DOING THAT WOULD BE A ONE-TIME THING.
AND IT WOULD ALL BE BY GRAVITY.
THERE WOULD NEVER, YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE PUMP STATION.
SO CAN YOU GO TO THE LAST, THE THREE OPTIONS? SECOND, LAST ONE.
IF YOU COULD SCROLL AND YOU CAN, CAN YOU MAKE IT SMALLER? SORRY.
WELL, ANYWAYS, I JUST BASICALLY WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR, WELL, I HAD, THERE'S THE FOURTH ONE THAT BASICALLY SAYS DO NOTHING AND KEEP IT AS A PRIVATE PUMP STATION.
THAT'S THE FOURTH OPTION, BUT THE THREE OPTIONS, I JUST WENT OVER THE RIGHT THERE.
UH, FIRST ONE WAS 40,000, WHICH HAS CONTINUED FUTURE MAINTENANCE AND ELECTRIC COST BY THE CITY OR BY THE RESIDENT, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO, UH, DO IT.
UH, SECOND ONE WAS CONTINUOUS MAINTENANCE COSTS AND ELECTRIC COSTS, WHICH ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RESIDENT.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE HAS NO MAINTENANCE COST OR ELECTRIC COST.
SO AT THIS TIME, AS I STATED, THAT PUMP STATION IS, I SAY, LAST TIME IS PRIVATE, UH, HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT BECAUSE WE DID HAVE, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE AT ONE POINT, BUT APPARENTLY I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SIGNED AT THAT STATED IT WAS TO REMAIN AS A PRIVATE PUMP STATION.
SO IT WAS, THE AGREEMENT WAS WRITTEN UP.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THAT? IT WAS KIND OF WRITTEN UP, BUT WE COULDN'T FIND A SIGNED COPY OF IT.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS RECORDED ON A RECORDED OR RECORDED COPIES, BUT THERE WAS A RESOLUTION THAT STATED THAT THEY WERE, THAT WAS PASSED THAT SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN AGREEMENT AND AN AGREEMENT WAS ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THE AGREEMENT WASN'T RECORDED.
SO WHO'S TO SAY IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAS TO STAY PRIVATE IS MY POINT.
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TO MY QUESTION, YOU SAY THAT THE COST WOULD EITHER BE BORN BY THE CITY OR THE RESIDENT.I THOUGHT THE ISSUE WAS HOW THE RESIDENTS WERE SPLITTING THE COST OR, UH, WELL, THAT'S JUST IT, THEY CAME TO US ASKING TO TAKE IT OVER.
I JUST PRESENTING THE OPTIONS.
I THINK I SAID, WE COULD STILL SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING IT'S PRIVATE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO DO IT.
AND THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO NUMBER ONE AND PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES.
UM, WE CAN HELP MAYBE DO AN ASSESSMENT ON THE PROJECT IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT THAT WAY AND KEEP IT AS PRIVATE, YOU COULD TAKE IT OVER AND PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING AND IT WAS STILL SESSOM MAYBE, OR PAY FOR IT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
WHAT IF WE W IF WE TAKE IT OVER, JUST DO THE FIRST ONE, THEN, UH, WE WOULD TAKE IT OVER AND SUE, AS WE PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IT ON THEIR MAINTENANCE LIST OF PUMP STATIONS, WHICH I SAID THEY HAVE, LIKE 19.
AND YOUR LAST MEETING YOU ASKED, I THINK YOU ASKED, UM, HOW MANY PRIVATE LIFT STATIONS WE HAVE.
WE HAVE FOUR AND THEY'RE ALL ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
UH, I THINK, UH, THE BP STATION, THE MARATHON STATION ACROSS ON AN OLD TROY BOTH HAVE SMALL PUMP STATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK IT'S TWO, WELL, THERE'S ONE, THAT'S THE OLD, IT USED TO BE AN OLD SPEEDWAY ACROSS FROM THE CURRENT SPEEDWAY ON NEAR EXECUTIVE AND OLD TROY.
AND I THINK THE OTHER IS ANOTHER GAS STATION ON BRANT PIPE BY BARNEY'S RENTALS.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL, PRIVATE PUMP STATIONS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, IN LOOKING AT THIS? I MEAN, THOSE ARE BIG NUMBERS FOR HOMEOWNERS.
UM, I MEAN, I GUESS REALLY IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT'S THE APPETITE FOR THIS COUNCIL TO, UM, TO DO THIS OR DO SOME COST SHARING.
I MEAN, YOU, UH, RICHARD'S IS YOU PUT IT QUICK? I DON'T HAVE A NAPKIN UP HERE, BUT MY SMALL NOTEPAD, I MEAN, 84,000 BUCKS, FOUR DIVIDED BY THREE HOUSES IS $28,000 EACH.
UM, IF WE COST SHARED HALF OF THAT, UM, IT'S $14,000 FOR EACH HOMEOWNER, BUT OPTION NUMBER ONE, IF THEY WENT TO THEIR OWN GRINDER PUMP AND EACH HAD THEIR OWN PUMP STATION, THAT'S TWO OR, UM, SAY ONE, DO I UP? SO THAT'S 60 GRAND, SO THAT'S 20,000.
UM, EACH IF WE COST SHARED THAT, THAT GETS, IF, IF WE DID HALF, THEY GET TO DOWN TO, UM, 30 GRAND.
SO THAT'S $10,000 A PIECE FROM AN ASSESSMENT PERSPECTIVE.
DO WE HAVE, ARE WE LIMITED BY HOW LONG THE TAX ASSESSMENT CAN GO TO RECOUP RECOUP? SOME OF THOSE COSTS AND ASSESSMENT IS BASED ON THE LIFE OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
SO IF IT'S ON AVERAGE 20 YEARS, THEN WE CAN ASSESS FOR 20 YEARS, THIS IS PROBABLY A 20 YEAR LIFE.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAST ONE.
SO, SO, SO EVEN ON THE, ON THE BIG ONE, IF WE JUST TOOK IT OVER AT 84 GRAND THAT'S 28,000 A PIECE, IF WE CAUSED HER THAT'S 14 GRAND.
SO THEN YOU CAN DO A 20 YEAR ASSESSMENT FOR THE $14,000.
AND THAT'S, IF THE COUNCIL HAS AN APPETITE TO COVER HALF THE COST OF THIS, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY.
UM, AS A, AS A STARTING POINT FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE WHAT KIND OF APPETITE YOU GUYS HAVE FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, I DON'T WANNA BE IN A SITUATION EITHER.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ASSESSING A CERTAIN AMOUNT ON PROPERTY TAXES TO SOMEBODY THAT COMPLETELY SINKS THEM FROM, FROM THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY EVER TRY TO SELL IT IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS WHEN THEY GOT TO, YOU KNOW, $2,200 ANNUAL ASSESSMENT AND PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE NEXT, HOWEVER LONG.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD THERE, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SCREWING ANYBODY EITHER.
SO, UM, BUT I RECOGNIZE THERE'S A PROBLEM.
THERE THERE'S AN ISSUE OR HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
UM, I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I THINK I FIGURE WHAT, UM, WHAT YOU GUYS THINK A GOOD, A GOOD BIBLE SOLUTION IS NANCY.
UM, DO HAVE WE DISCUSSED ANY OF THESE OPTIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS? NO.
UH, BEFORE WE DID SOMETHING AS OUR SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED SOMETHING AS EXTENSIVE AS NUMBER THREE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF DIGGING UP ON PEOPLE'S YARDS AND STUFF I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY THINK OF THAT.
UM, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA AND, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE COULD HANDLE THE, LIKE THE ANNUAL ELECTRICITY COSTS AND MAINTENANCE EXPENSE.
UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ANNUAL ELECTRICAL COST WOULD BE ON THAT? PARDON ME? NOT ANNUAL
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SPEED.THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM IS THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON THAT CONTROL.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MONTHLY BILL IS BEFORE THE PUMP BROKE AND THE PIPE BROKE.
WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT WAS IT? UH, 25 TO $30 A MONTH WAS THE ELECTRIC BILL WHEN COVID HIT, I THINK IS WHEN THE PIPE BROKE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WENT UP TO, UM, $52 A MONTH FOR THE ELECTRIC.
AND YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SHARE IT BETWEEN THREE HOUSES, THEORETICALLY.
BUT SINCE THEY'D NEVER GIVE US THE BILL, WE NEVER PAID IT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PRICE WENT FROM BEING LIKE $25 A MONTH TO $50 A MONTH.
AND WE WANTED TO SEE WHERE THE CROSS CAME FROM.
RIGHT? UM, WELL, THERE MAY BE SOME, ANY EFFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM THAT DROVE THAT COST UP TO, COULD THERE BE, I SPOKE TO THE GUY JUST TODAY ABOUT THE FIRST ONE THERE ABOUT UPGRADING THAT WHOLE INSIDE.
HE CALCULATED, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 25 TO $30 A MONTH FOR ELECTRIC.
UM, JUST MY 2 CENTS ON THIS ONE.
IT JUST, IN MY HEART, I FEEL THAT OPTIONS WANTING TO BRING US RIGHT BACK TO THIS SAME SITUATION, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, MAYBE NOT US, BUT OTHERS.
UM, NUMBER THREE SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY PERMANENTLY SOLVE THIS WITHOUT ONGOING COSTS OR POTENTIAL ISSUES DOWN THE LINE AND BRINGS THE PROPERTIES INTO THE SAME SITUATION AS THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW IT GETS PAID FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE $84,000 QUESTION.
AND I, AND I THINK WE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE A CONNECTION FEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT ON WATER AND SEWER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, AND WE'VE HAD OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE I'VE WORKED WITH RESIDENTS WHERE WE'VE KIND OF SPLIT THOSE COSTS AND THEN ASSESS THEM OUT.
I THINK IF WE CAN FIND WHATEVER SPLIT'S GONNA WORK FOR US IN THE RESIDENCE, AND WE CAN ASSESS THAT AS WELL.
AND BY THE SOUNDS OF IT, IF THIS IS A PERMANENT SOLUTION, THE ASSESSMENT COULD BE TAKEN OUT EVEN LONGER IF WE WANTED TO CORRECT.
MAYBE 30 YEARS OR SOMETHING, IF IT HELPED ON THE, ON THE ASSESSMENT COST.
BUT I THAT'S WHERE I'M THINKING.
I JUST THINK NUMBER THREE IS A MORE PERMANENT LONG-TERM SOLUTION IN THE END.
UM, THAT DOESN'T BRING US SOMEBODY BACK TO THIS SITUATION, ONE DISTRICT, AND DOESN'T CREATE ALL THE TENSION BETWEEN THREE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SHARING SOMETHING THAT'S ON ONE PERSON'S PROPERTY THAT WHO MAINTAINS IT, WHO PAYS FOR IT, WHICH WE SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I THINK NUMBER THREE IS JUST HOW AGREEABLE IS EVERYONE TO KIND OF KICKING IN FOR THIS.
SO ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO, UH, WHAT WAS THE, LET ME JUST ASK YOU, WHAT IS IT, WHAT DO YOU GUYS PREFER? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET TO A POINT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER THREE, IF THAT IS THE OPTION THAT PEOPLE I WOULD, WE'VE GOT TO GET EVERYBODY TO THE TABLE AND REALLY DETERMINE WHAT THAT ASSESSMENT'S GOING TO BE.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, WHAT'S COMFORTABLE IN AN ANNUAL ASSESSMENT OF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE BIG ISSUE IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE GO.
SO W WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR, BOTH OF YOU, EITHER OF YOU.
IF I GOT MY MATH RIGHT, TAKING THE COST SHARE OF $14,000, DIVIDING IT BY THE, UH, 20 YEARS, THAT'S A $700 A YEAR DIVIDED BY 12 MONTHS.
IF WE'RE GOING OFF A 20 YEAR PLAN GOING WITH OPTION, NUMBER THREE, MY ART IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE TORE UP THE MOST.
THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY, THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE COSTS.
IT'S A STRAIGHT RUN FROM OUR HOUSES TO THE OTHER SEWAGE LINE.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PROBLEM FOR FUTURE USE.
WE DON'T HAVE PUMPS THAT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL LOAD OF ELECTRIC.
MY PERSONAL REQUEST TO B3, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY OTHER TWO NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY SINCE ONE OF THEM'S NOT TALKING TO ME, RIGHT.
HIS PROPERTY IS THAT LINE PRIMARILY, CAN YOU BRING UP THE LINE FOR THE, SO THIS IS MY PROPERTY.
THE SEWAGE LINE FROM THIS HOUSE COMES RIGHT UP HERE.
THIS IS WHERE THE SEPTIC TANKS THAT MY SEWAGE COMES OUT HERE.
IT'S FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND.
SO RIGHT NOW MY SEWAGE LINE IS EXPOSED TO THE MOTHER AND THAT WOULD JUST BE RUNNING TO HERE.
THIS SECTION HERE, I'M NOT TOO SURE WHERE IT COMES FROM.
ALL I KNOW IS THESE TWO PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THERE'S A DIVOT RIGHT HERE.
AND THERE'S A CLEAN OUT RIGHT HERE FOR THEIR SEWAGE LINE.
SHOULD THAT LINE CLOCK OUT BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND WHAT, AND ALL IT'S THERE BECAUSE THE PRIOR
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OWNER HAD A LOT MORE.DO YOU KNOW WHICH ONE OF THEM HAS THE BASEMENT? THIS ONE HAS A BASEMENT.
THIS ONE'S ON A PATH BECAUSE I RAN THE LINE BASED ON 10 FEET DEEP TO SERVE AS A BASEMENT.
HERE'S WHAT COMES OUT HIGHER THAN 10 FEET DEEP.
AND POSSIBLY MIKE COMES OUT ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL, COMES OUT 18 INCHES AND THEN DROPS TWO FEET DOWN WHO DESIGNED IT? I DON'T KNOW.
WE'D HAVE TO CHECK THE OTHER TWO HOUSES TO SEE HOW WELL BASED ON MY DEPTH OF
SO RIGHT HERE IS THE SEPTIC TANK.
AND THE SEPTIC TANK IS ONLY DOWN 18 INCHES FULL SERVICE.
SO THIS HOUSE HERE, HOLD ON THE SEPARATE TANK.
MY ENTIRE YARD USED TO BE THE LEACH DEAL FOR THAT SUBJECT.
NOW THE OTHER ONE DOES CAUSE A SLAP, SLAP, SLAP CONSTRUCTION.
SO I MAY BE ABLE TO RAISE THAT ONE WAS CAUSED BECAUSE I WAS ASSUMING I HAD DEEP, WHICH IS EVEN BETTER.
IF YOU SCROLL, YOU CAN SEE GOING BETWEEN THOSE HOUSES.
I DON'T LIKE DOING THAT ESPECIALLY 10 FEET.
SO IF IT CAN BE SIX OR SEVEN FEET DEEP, THAT WOULD HELP OUT A LOT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE ARE BASEMENT HOUSES OR COULD AFFECT THEM SO WE CAN BE DONE.
BUT HOPEFULLY I CAN RAISE THIS PRESENTATION.
JUST TO GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF, UM, MAYBE A SILLY QUESTION.
UM, THE LINE IN BETWEEN OUR TWO HOUSES IS ACTUALLY MY BETS.
IF THEY GOT TO RUN INTO THE SEWER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FIXED AT THE END OF THE PROJECT? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE LEFT TO WALK? OH, OFFENSIVELY.
WE TEND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE WITH THE WALK WITH THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE WOULD PREFER THE THIRD OPTION.
AND JUST FOR INFORMATION FOR PROPERTY HAS BEEN ON, THIS IS 15 FEET ON EACH SIDE.
THAT'S WHY I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY BETWEEN US AND THE CARS AND BETWEEN THE BOTTOM.
AND TWO HOUSES IS ONLY A 10 FOOT, UM, WITH THE OTHER ONES ON BRAND NEW 10 FEET RUNNING THROUGH THERE, WHICH ISN'T A LOT.
BUT IF WE CALL SHARE 50% OF THIS COST, IT'S GOING TO OVER 20 YEARS, ASSESSMENTS CAN ADD ABOUT 56, 50 $7 A MONTH TO ALL THREE OF THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
DOES THAT SEEMS TO WORK FOR YOU SEEMS TO WORK FOR YOU.
WHAT'S COUNCIL'S APPETITE ON THE 15% CULTURE OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M FOR HELPING THE RESIDENTS AS LONG AS YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE THAT MUCH DISRUPTION IN YOUR YARD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE'LL LIVE THE BACK HOLE AS BEST WE COULD.
IN A CONSTRUCTION TIME PERIOD THAT WE PUT BACK, I HELP HER OUT VERY MUCH.
I CAN EASILY MOVE MY FENCE OVER AND CURL MY OXYGEN.
SO WE HAVE TWO OF THE THREE NEIGHBORS ON BOARD.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER NEIGHBORS HAS NOT BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH ANYBODY.
NOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU AROUND THE CORNER.
AND WHEN EVERYBODY SHOWS UP TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIFT STATION, WE'VE NEVER ENGAGED YOU GUYS.
AND TO BE FAIR, HIS WOULD BE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION PROPERTY ADVICE.
BUT I'M A PERSONALLY, I'M GOOD WITH THE COST SHARING THING.
AGAIN, WE'VE DONE IT WITH SOME OTHER RESIDENTS.
UM, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK RUSS, DID, DOES THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THE EXISTING, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT'S THAT'S IN THE YARD OR GETTING AROUND OR WITH HIM, ESPECIALLY HIM TALKING ABOUT IT BEING AN 18 INCHES? THE LAWNMOWER, BECAUSE WHEN I BUILT THE HOUSE ON THE SEPTIC LEACH FIELD, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SEWER SYSTEM PUT IN, SO THAT EACH FIELD IS JUST TRASHED AND FILLED IN IT'S COLLAPSED.
I THINK WE CAN GO WITH TRENCH RIGHT THROUGH THE ONLY ITEM THAT WOULD BE OF CONCERN IS THEY DO HAVE THE FRENCH DRAIN THAT RUNS RIGHT IN HERE AND IT RUNS DOWN THIS WAY ACROSS INDIGENT, BACK DRAINAGE BACK HERE WILL PROBABLY, WILL BE OBVIOUSLY WAY LOWER THAN THAT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY HIT IT UP, IT'S RECONNECTED.
MA'AM RUSSELL LOOKING AT YOUR FIGURES UP THERE.
UM, I KNOW YOU USED YOUR EXPERTISE TO, UM, NAIL THOSE DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO WHAT'D YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO, UM, COUNSEL MOVING US ON FROM RFP TO GET AN ACTUAL COST?
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WE COULD NAIL DOWN THE COST ON US EITHER THAT, OR I CAN GET ONE OR TWO QUOTES AND THEN JUST BRING THEM BACK AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.RATHER THAN ME HE'S IN MY, OR USING MY ESTIMATE.
I KNEW CAUSE THERE WERE AROUND NUMBERS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AS WALL MARK, FULL TRANSPARENCY.
WILL THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST TO THE HOMEOWNERS? YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 50 SOME DOLLARS A MONTH, RIGHT? WOULD THERE BE A SEWAGE COST EACH MONTH OR, UH, THEY ARE, THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING A SEWAGE COST I BELIEVE ON THIS.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY THE PERMANENT SOLUTION IS A GRAVITY FEED.
IS IT GRAVITY FEED SYSTEM IN, IN THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE ARE GOOD WITH THAT? YES.
HAVE WE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR IN THE BACK THAT WE'D GO THROUGH HERE.
YEAH, THEY'LL BE AT THE NEXT WEEK.
THERE'LL BE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET THIS.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW DEEP I HAVE TO GO BECAUSE THAT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO I AGREE WITH DON WHAT? LET'S GET SOME CA I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANY OF MY PEERS IS OBJECTING TO CALL SHARING THIS WITH YOU GUYS.
SO LET'S GET SOME, LET'S GET SOME EXACT NUMBERS.
IT'S GOING TO QUOTE, LET'S TALK TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
LET'S MAKE SURE THIS IS ALL GOOD TO GO.
AND THEN, UM, FROM THAT POINT WE CAN HAVE ONE FINAL DISCUSSION.
SO YOU GUYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE ASSESSMENT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR TAXES AND THEN, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE A MOTION.
BUT I GUESS ONE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I I'M SURE BOTH OF YOU WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IS HOW SOON THIS COULD BE DONE.
SO RUSS ESTIMATED TIMEFRAME, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR ENGINEER BACK IN THE NAPKIN GUESTS.
IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACTORS.
THEY'RE ALL BUSY RIGHT NOW, BUT PROBABLY THREE MONTHS.
THREE MONTHS BETTER THAN WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH NOW.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS FOR THE REPAIR DIVIDED BY 12 AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU ASSESS THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUNTY FEE ADDED TO IT AND A PERCENTAGE OF COLLECTORS, A BUNCH OF LITTLE SMALL NICKEL AND DIME THINGS THAT ADD UP THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK INTO IT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST STRAIGHT MATH.
AWESOME PRODUCTS THAT WE MIGHT BE EXTENDING OUT MORE THAN 20 YEARS, WHICH WOULD STILL, IT CAN BE EXTENDED OUT FOR 13 YEAR PERIOD AND STILL PUT US WITH ALL THE LITTLE EXPENDITURES BACK TO THE SAME AMOUNT AT THE $57 A MONTH.
I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WE CAN GO THROUGH THE YEARS YET, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT, WE'LL HAVE TO DO TO HELP US.
UH, CAN I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, JERRY, THE ASSESSMENT, DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT OF ALL THREE PROPERTY OWNERS OR TWO OF THEM? NO, THAT'S THE GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF GETTING THE ASSESSMENT AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO WHERE YOU HAVE AN ASSESSMENT REQUESTED BY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE DID IT WITH, UM, CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ROAD THAT WAS, BUT WE HAD TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AND ONE PERSON THAT WAS JUST NOT THERE.
I KNOW IT'S 60% OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO AGREE.
I REMEMBER THAT THE OWNERS, BUT SINCE WE HAD TO, WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT IS A MAJORITY, BUT WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS FOR THE NEXT TIME AROUND.
BUT ON MARK AVENUE, WE JUST TOOK THE LINE IN.
WE DIDN'T HOOK IT UP TO THAT THIRD HOME.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? UH, MAYA CAN'T REMEMBER THAT'S CORRECT.
RAN A LINE UP TO THE END OF THE CALL TO SAC AND THEY HAD TO DO THEIR OWN CONNECT.
AND THIS WOULDN'T BE DONE THE SAME WAY.
NO, I WOULD HAVE IN THIS CASE, CONNECTED THEIR LATERALS.
BUT I THINK CLEARLY WE NEED TO MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO NOTIFY THAT NEIGHBOR.
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM AND GO OUT THERE.
WE GOT TO PARK AND WAIT TILL IT COMES HOME.
I MEAN, SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO GET A HOLD OF HIM AND LET HIM KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE POTENTIAL PLAN IS.
SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS LET'S GET SOME SOLID NUMBERS.
UM, CAN WE FIND OUT WHAT SOME OF
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THOSE CAME WITH THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT STUFF WE'RE GOING TO BE, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT IT IS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET TO, WHAT'S GONNA, WHAT THEIR MONTHLY FEE IS ON THEIR TAXES IS GOING TO BE JUST SO WE CAN.THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING JIM SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT.
AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEE ASSESSMENTS, IT'S A SET PERCENTAGE AND AMOUNT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'LL DO OUR WORK, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE, UM, REACH OUT TO, TO THE OTHER NEIGHBOR, REACH OUT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS, UH, AND TRY TO HAVE ALL THIS AS, AS CLOSE TO AN AGREEMENT, UH, AS WE CAN GET VERY SOON.
IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO BOTH OF YOU? YES.
SO HOW, I GUESS, HOW LONG HAS THIS, IS THIS A TWO WEEK, YOU KNOW, FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION? IS THIS A TWO WEEK PROCESS OR IS THIS GOING TO BE LONGER FOR WHAT I'M DOING NOW? I THINK TWO WEEKS.
I MEAN, IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, WELL, I'LL TELL THEM TO PUSH IT OFF TO THE FOLLOWING ONE, BUT OKAY.
SO NICK, WHAT WHAT'S THE DATE OF OUR NETWORKS MIGHT BE BETTER.
UH, I CAN CERTAINLY CALL THEM THAT.
[ Redwood Development Agreement Amendment]
OKAY.NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS THE REDWOOD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT.
UM, SO THIS ONE HERE IS THE REDWOOD APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT BACK.
UH, IT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, THEY CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENTS FOR PHASE THREE OF THE REDWOOD APARTMENTS.
UM, AND THERE WAS A LITTLE OVER 80, UH, APARTMENT UNITS THAT WERE BUILT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THEY HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION AND I I'M SORRY, BRIAN, I DO NOT HAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO BRING UP GOOGLE MAPS, YOU COULD SHOW THAT ARROGANCE.
UH, SO YOU GUYS HAVE THE COMPETING NOZZLES GOING ON.
UM, SO THERE, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT'S CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AND WAS APPROVED FOR THAT THIRD PHASE OF THAT APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, HAD MULTIPLE THINGS TO IT.
UH, IT HAD A, UM, UH, THE CRA PORTION AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD ASSESSMENTS THAT WENT TOWARDS THE, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
UM, THAT'S ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT PUTS INTO, AND THEN ALSO THE RED BUCKEYE DRIVE, UH, WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN, THERE WAS ASSESSMENTS TO THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT PROJECT, THE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED FOR THE PHASE THREE.
UM, AND NOW THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THAT, THERE'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES LEFT THERE BETWEEN THE REDWOOD APARTMENTS AND THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT FIVE ACRES THAT, UH, REDWOOD, WHAT WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND EVEN FURTHER, UM, DO YOU CONTINUE THOSE APARTMENTS? UH, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR THE SAME AGREEMENTS.
SO ON THE PER UNIT, UH, COST THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ASSESS FOR THE PARKWAY FOR RED BUCKEYE DRIVE AND THEN THE CR A IN THAT THEY WOULD, UH, PROVIDE PILOT PAYMENTS BACK TO THE CITY OVER 15 YEARS, WHICH WILL PROVIDE FOR $600,000 BACK TO THE CITY AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT.
THE MATH IS THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT.
SO THIS IS JUST THAT NEXT STEP IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS FOR SCOTT REGARDING THAT? GOOD.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT AGREEMENT ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Carriage Trails Annexation Service Agreement]
UP IS ITEM THREE L WHICH IS THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, ANNEXATION SERVICE AGREEMENT STOP.SO THIS IS THE CARRIAGE TRAILS ANNEXATION SERVICE AGREEMENT.
SO I DO HAVE A PICTURE FOR THE SCREEN OF THIS.
THERE IS 233 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS, UH, TO THE NORTH OF CARRIAGE TRAILS THAT, UH, IS UNDER CONTRACT BY THE DEVELOPERS, UH, FROM THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENTS.
SO WITH THIS, THE REQUEST IS, UH, PER THE CURRENT DEVELOPER AGREEMENT.
IT STATES THAT, UH, THEY ARE ABLE TO, UH, PROPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT WITH CITY SERVICES.
SO THE FIRST STEP IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS FOR ANNEXATION IS THAT, UH, THEY FILE WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY COME TO THE CITY FOR THIS LEGISLATION FOR A SERVICE AGREEMENT.
SO WHAT THAT SERVICE AGREEMENT ENTAILS IS THAT THE CITY CAN PROVIDE WATER, SEWER, POLICE, FIRE, UH, STANDARD CITY SERVICES.
SO IN LOOKING AT THIS, WE JUST BUILT A WATER TOWER UP THERE FOR
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DEVELOPMENT.UH, THESE KINDS OF AREAS, THE, UH, THE CITY CAN HANDLE THIS AREA FOR WATER.
SO A NEW INCOME INCOME SOURCE INTO THE WATER FUND FROM ADDING, UH, THIS AMOUNT OF AREA INTO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT SEWER, THE SAME WAY.
UH, WE, UH, OUR SEWERS GO DOWN TO TRI-CITIES, I'M A MEMBER OF THAT BOARD.
WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON, UH, FLOWS TO THE TREATMENTS, UH, FACILITY AND VAN PLANNING DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT FUTURE PROJECTS ARE GOING THERE.
AND THIS CAN CURRENTLY HANDLE, UH, THE SEWAGE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.
I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH POLICE AND FIRE AND, UH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS ON SERVICES.
AND, UH, THIS AREA IS ABLE TO BE, UH, SERVICED BY ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SERVICE, UH, UH, UH, DEPARTMENTS.
UM, SO, UH, THIS, AS I SAID, THIS REQUEST SHOWS THAT THE CITY CAN HANDLE THE 233 ACRES.
UH, THE THERE'S A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, WE'VE, UH, BEEN, UH, OVER A HUNDRED HOMES PER YEAR IN THE CARRIAGE TRAILS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS.
AND, UH, THAT NUMBER HAS NOT COME DOWN.
UM, AND SO EVEN THROUGH WHEN WE THOUGHT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A DOWNTURN BECAUSE OF COVID SALES WERE STILL UP AND A NEW HOME BUILDS HAVE STILL BEEN UP.
SO, UH, WE DON'T SEE, UH, AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE CONTINUING OF, UH, THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS IS FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE A LETTER, UM, STATING THAT, UH, ABOUT THE SERVICES.
THANK YOU, SCOTT, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR SCOTT REGARDING THIS AGREEMENT? OKAY.
WOULD THERE BE ANY TRAFFIC PLAN THAT'S COME WITH, LIKE STARTING, LIKE THERE'LL BE A LIGHT PUT IN THERE AT 40, OR WE TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO, SO THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT WITH THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THIS IS IN THE, WHAT WE'LL CALL IT ALMOST THE CENTER OF CARRIAGE TRAILS.
SO YOU HAVE ACCESS NOW THAT GOES, UH, TO BRANT PIKE, TO OLD TROY PIKE, DOWN TO THE SOUTH ON SANTA, AND NOW THROUGH TROWBRIDGE AND TO THE NORTH ON SANTA, THAT GOES OUT TO ROUTE 40.
SO THERE'S ACCESS POINTS IN ALL DIRECTIONS.
AND AS A ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES THROUGH, UM, HOW THE CONNECTION TO ROUTE 40 COMES, WE'LL BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND INCLUDED IN THOSE STUDIES.
AND WE HAD, UM, TALKING ABOUT ANNEXATION.
IF WE HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS OF BETHEL BETH TOWNSHIP, TRUSTEES, BETHEL SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOL SYSTEM, ANY OF THOSE THINGS ABOUT ANNEXATION AND 233 ACRES.
SO I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS PRIOR TO MY TIME AS A, THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
SO THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS ON SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UH, YOU MENTIONED SCHOOLS, UM, THAT'S, UM, THEY ARE AWARE OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND ANY TAX DOLLARS.
THERE IS A PART OF THIS TYPE OF ANNEXATION TAX DOLLARS GO TOWARDS BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY.
SO THERE IS, UH, PORTIONS THAT GO BOTH WAYS THAT GO INTO THOSE SYSTEMS. UM, SO THERE WILL BE MORE DISCUSSIONS THAT GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE ENTITIES AS THE PROCESS GOES THROUGH.
I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN REACHED OUT TO WITHIN THE LAST FIVE, SIX MONTHS.
UM, I OVER THREE, LESS THAN SIX BY, UM, MEMBERS OF THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT I MENTIONED.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYONE YET, THAT LIKES THE IDEA.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE'RE GOING UP INTO BETHEL TO TRY TO ANNEX 233 ACRES.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO ANNEX A COUPLE OF ACRES TO FINISH OUT A PROJECT OR SOMETHING, OR, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING WITH THE CITY, BUT, UM, THIS IS A BIG CHUNK OF PROPERTY AND, UH, I JUST, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL PARTIES ON BOARD, IF ANYTHING LIKE THIS WERE TO HAPPEN.
AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL I CAN GET BEHIND IT.
AND THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELVES THAT ARE REQUESTING THE ANNEXATION.
UM, THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL PRIOR TO A FULL SUBMISSION WITH THE MIAMI COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
I WILL ASK MR. MCDONALD, IF HE CAN MAYBE HELP WITH SOME OF THE PROCESS QUESTIONS, WHAT COMES FIRST, THE CART OR THE HORSE,
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UM, THE ANNEXATION THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANNEXATIONS.AND THIS ONE I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE, WE CALL IT TYPE TWO ANNEXATION, WHICH IS MEANING ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS CONSENT.
UM, AND THE TOWNSHIP HAS NOT NECESSARILY CONSENTED TO IT, BUT THE PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE FULLY REMOVED OUT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
SO THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO, UH, GET SOME TAX REVENUE AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT OF IT.
UM, THE FIRST PROCESS IS FILING THE APPLICATION WITH THE COUNTY, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT REQUIRED WHEN YOU FILE THAT, BUT IT IS REQUIRED IN A REAL SHORT TIME AFTERWARDS, LIKE WITHIN 10 DAYS OR 20 DAYS OR LIKE THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF NOTICE OF SERVICES THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY DOES NOT COMMIT US TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY.
THEY WILL LOOK EXCUSE ME, SUBSEQUENT, UM, UM, ACTIONS FOR COUNCIL, WHERE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, WE HAVE TO FORMALLY ACCEPT THE ANNEXATION.
SO THERE'S STILL, UM, AND THIS DOES NOT COMMIT.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SIGN THIS AND PRETTY MUCH SHOWS THAT THE CITY IS ON BOARD WITH THIS, THAT WE DON'T HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO NOW, AS MR. IDLE ALLUDED TO IT, YOU DIDN'T SAY IT, BUT HE HAS SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS.
UM, THIS WOULD BE THE, REALLY THE TIME TO SEE WHAT COUNCIL, WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO TO, BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED WITH THE ANNEXATION DOCUMENT ITSELF, BUT JUST AFTER THE ANNEXATION IS FILED.
SO, SO AFTER THIS PROCESS, IT WOULD GO TO THE MIAMI COUNTY.
UM, THE FIRST THING THAT THE AD, THE ANNEXATION PROCESS IS 100% A COUNTY FUNCTION, MEANING IT'S ALL FILED WITH THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY MAKES THE DECISIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT AS PART OF THE DEAL, THE COUNTY HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE PROVIDING CERTAIN SERVICES.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, IS THAT IF THIS IS ANNEXED, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THESE.
AND IF I UNDERSTOOD YOUR, YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT EARLIER, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED OR DENIED PRETTY MUCH BETHEL.
TOWNSHIP'S GOT NO SAY IN THIS WHATSOEVER, UH, BETHEL TOWNSHIP DOES NOT HAVE TO CONSENT TO IT.
THEY CAN OBJECT TO IT AND CAUSE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK HARD AT IT, BUT THE OBJECTIONS ARE STATUTORY THERE'S.
IF IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, IT HAS TO BE WITHIN A CERTAIN SIZE, WHICH THIS ONE IS.
IT HAS TO HAVE CERTAIN BORDERS WITH THE CITY OF PERCENTAGE BORDERS.
IT'S VERY OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.
AND AS LONG AS IT MEETS THOSE STANDARDS, THEN THE COUNTY HAS TO, HAS TO PROVE TO US, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR TOWNSHIP STATUS AND NOT A FULL CHARTER CITY, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE ANNEXATION LAW WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALL WANT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
IF IT WAS LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS INVOLVED IN THIS AREA, THEN IT WOULD BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROCESS.
BUT SINCE IT IS A, AN AGREEMENT WHERE WE HAVE 100% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTING THIS, THEN THEY, THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT'S THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH.
AND SO THE TOWNSHIP DOES NOT HAVE TO CONSENT.
AND IF IT JUST SITS BACK AND DOES NOTHING, IF THE PROPERTY WILL NEVER BE REMOVED OF THE TOWNSHIP, IT WILL ALWAYS BE IN WHAT WE CALL DUAL JURISDICTION.
SO ONE LAST PIECE OF CLARIFICATION.
IF I MAY, AS SCOTT HAD READ INTO THE EXISTING AGREEMENT, ALL THAT IS THERE, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE PROVIDING THE LETTER THAT IT CAN PROVIDE SERVICES, NOT SHALL PROVIDE SERVICES.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING IS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, IF THIS PROPERTY IS ANNEXED, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
BUT THE KEY THERE IS IF THIS PROPERTY IS ANNEX BECAUSE THE CITY HAS TO FORMALLY ACCEPT IT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LATER DOWN THE PROCESS.
SO, SO I, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF DISCUSSION TALK AND CHATTER.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GLENN HAS HEARD, BUT WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE CITY GOING IN AND TAKING 233 ACRES OF PROPERTY FROM BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
THIS IS PROPERTY OWNERS WHO INDIVIDUALLY OWNED COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER.
HOW MANY PROPERTY OWNERS ARE THERE? I'M GOING TO GO UP THERE AND ALL THIS.
SO THREE PROPERTY OWNERS OWN PROPERTY THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WERE PETITIONING THE CITY TO ANNEX THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THIS ISN'T A DECISION BEING MADE BY THE CITY TO DO THIS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THIS AS A SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS FOR WHATEVER THEIR OWN PRIVATE PERSONAL REASONS WANT TO DO, THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY TO ANNEX OR PROPERTIES THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IS CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
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WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.WE'RE NOT ASKING TO TAKE ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.
THIS IS A PETITION BY PROPERTY OWNERS ASKING US TO, TO ANNEX THEIR PROPERTY.
EVENING THERE, COUNSEL, JUST SO WE'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR.
UH, THE PETITION IS NOT COMING TO THE CITY FOR THE ANNEXATION THAT WILL GO TO MIAMI COUNTY.
SO WHAT WE'VE GOT THE SEASONING IS THE SERVICE LETTER.
AND LIKE JERRY SAID, THERE'S SUCH A SHORT TIMEFRAME FOR THE SERVICE LETTER TO CATCH UP TO THE ANNEXATION PETITION THAT WE'RE BRINGING THAT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY, WE WILL FILE THE ANNEXATION PETITION ON MONDAY.
SO THAT WE'VE GOT A 20 DAY OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO WORK THROUGH THE CITY AND CATCH UP TO THE PETITION AT MIAMI COUNTY, WHERE IN 20 DAYS THE PETITION, I BELIEVE JERRY JUST TURNS IN ALL.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I THINK IT DIES.
AND YOU HAVE TO RESUBMIT THE APPLICATION IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS LETTER IN 20 DAYS, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? YEP.
IN REALITY, NO, THEY GIVE YOU MORE TIME.
THAT'S USUALLY HOW IT HAPPENS.
NOT A LOT, BUT THEY'RE USUALLY A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE, BUT UNDER THE STATUTE, YES, WE HAVE 20 DAYS TO PROVIDE THOSE THINGS.
SO THIS PROCESS ACTUALLY, WHEN THE APPLICATIONS FILED, IT ACTUALLY TRIGGERS A SERIES OF STATUTORY TIMELINES.
SO, UH, LET ME BACK UP ONE SECOND AND SAY THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THROUGH MIAMI COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR APPROVAL OF THAT MAP.
SO THAT MAP HAS MIAMI COUNTY APPROVAL.
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO.
ALL THAT DOES IS THEIR ENGINEER SAYS ALL THE MEETS AND BOUNDS ARE CORRECT.
AND THE DIMENSIONS TIE OFF AND THE ANGLES AND THE PROPERTIES ARE CORRECT, NO APPROVAL.
THEY JUST HAD AN ENGINEER LOOK AT IT AND CERTIFY THAT IT'S A GOOD DOCUMENT.
SO WE GOT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING IN THE LIST REALLY IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE ANNEXATION.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME WE'RE HERE AT THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT THE SERVICE LETTER SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY ACHIEVE THAT WITHIN THE 20 DAYS THAT WE HAVE TO CATCH IT.
SO WHEN WOULD THIS COME BACK TO? SO, SO WE HAD TO ACCEPT THAT ANNEXATION ONCE THAT'S DONE.
SO WHAT, SO NOW WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WOULD AGREE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, BUT DOES THAT COME BACK TO THE CITY OF ANOTHER POINT FOR US TO GIVE A FINAL APPROVAL ON THE ANNEXATION? OR IS THAT YES, THERE IS THE PROCESS, YOU FILE THE APPLICATION, THE PETITION TO BE ANNEXED AND THEY CHECK ALL THE CRITERIA.
AND ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS, DO YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE SERVICES IF THIS GOES THROUGH, CHECK THE BOX? YES.
SO ONCE ALL THAT GOES THROUGH, THERE'S SOME TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE CITY AND THEN THE CITY HAS TO THROUGH LEGISLATIVE ACTION EXCEPT THE ANNEX EX EXCEPT THE ANNEXATION.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL STEP.
SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE CLEAR TONIGHT IS THE ACCEPTING OF THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
AND THEN AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN, THAT WHEN THAT ACCEPTANCE COMES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT'S NOT US THAT STARTED THIS.
THIS WAS PROPER, THIS WAS PROPERTY OWNERS WHO STARTED THIS PROCESS.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT OR FRICKIN? YEAH.
I GOT TO ASK JUST VERY BLUNTLY AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, THIS HAS BEEN ANY COMMUNICATION WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND THEIR SCHOOL BOARD BY YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S LOOKING TO ANNEX THIS, UH, TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THAT MR. OTTO HAS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE MAYORS HAD.
UM, SO I MEAN, AND YES, WHAT THE MAYOR IS SEEING IS, IS TECHNICALLY CORRECT.
HOWEVER, I MEAN, WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, GETTING THESE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS AND, AND STATEMENTS.
SO I GUESS ON YOUR END, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN SUPPLIED TO THOSE GROUPS? SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT TOWNSHIP AND THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO THE SCHOOL BOARD TO CONVERSATIONS ARE MUCH EASIER THAN THEY ARE WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, THE TOWNSHIP WOULD DESIRE TO PROTECT THEIR BOUNDARIES, UH, IR REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY MAY BE OFFERED IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT.
UH, WE ATTEMPTED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
I KNOW THAT, UH, THE, YOUR PRIOR CITY MANAGER ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
THERE WAS NO SUCCESS IN NEGOTIATING, ANY TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T
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ANY OPTIONS TO PUT ON THE TABLE.IT WAS JUST FOR THE, UH, ANNEXATION NOT TO OCCUR.
UH, THERE WAS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN ANY TYPE OF, UH, FINANCIAL, UH, ENHANCEMENT OF THE DEAL, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MISCONSTRUED AS ENDORSEMENT.
SO THERE WASN'T REALLY, UH, IN, I'VE HAD LIMITED CONVERSATIONS.
I'VE HAD REPORTS FROM THE FORMER CITY MANAGER HERE OF WHAT TRANSPIRED, AND THERE WASN'T AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DEVELOP SOME KIND OF, UH, SHARING YOU FINANCIALLY SHARING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'D EVEN CALL IT, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOME CREATIVE WAY TO GET THE TOWNSHIP ON BOARD.
UM, LIKE JERRY SAID, THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T LOSE OUT FINANCIALLY BECAUSE IN A TIGHT TO EXPEDITED ANNEXATION, THE LAND IS NEVER REALLY REMOVED FROM THE TOWNSHIP.
SO WHILE THE LAND WILL BECOME PART OF THE CITY, IT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN PART OF THE TOWNSHIP.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OTHER WAYS THERE ARE FOR THIS TO OCCUR.
AND JERRY JUMP IN IF I'M NOT SAYING THIS CORRECTLY, BUT, UH, THE TOWNSHIP WILL ALWAYS COLLECT TAXES ON THE LAND AS WILL THE CITY.
SO IT'S NOT IN THE OLDER ANNEXATION TYPES, THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY.
AND I BELIEVE THERE MAY STILL BE SOME TYPES OF ANNEXATIONS WHERE THE LAND CAN BE REMOVED AND THE TOWNSHIP LOSES OUT COMPLETELY, BUT THAT'S NOT FROM MY LIMITED CONVERSATION.
AND FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH ROB, AFTER HIS MEETING WITH THEM, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
THEY WEREN'T LOOKING TO BE MADE WHOLE, OR THEY WEREN'T LOOKING TO BE FINANCIALLY REWARDED FOR THIS.
THEY JUST, IT'S, IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL, UH, OPINION THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND THEY JUST DON'T, THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.
SO I GUESS MAYBE IF YOU COULD JUST SHINE SOME LIGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO ON THE SCHOOL BOARD CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I'VE ALSO HAD, YOU KNOW, UM, SEEN CONVERSATION FROM ABOUT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT, NOT A FAN OF THIS.
SO I GUESS WHAT KIND OF CREATIVE IDEAS HAVE GOTTEN THEM TO THE TABLE THAT DIDN'T WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP, I GUESS? WELL, I KNOW THAT, UH, BILL ACTUALLY BUILT BILL KEITH OR THE WORK THAT I WORK WITH.
HE TALKS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FREQUENTLY.
AND KNOW I TALKED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT MORE OFTEN THAN THE OTHERS.
HE ACTUALLY LIVES IN CARRIAGE TRAILS.
UM, WE, WE TRIED TO DO SOME EARLY CREATIVE THINGS WITH THEM.
UH, ONE I KNOW OF THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH WAS TRYING TO CREATE, UH, A CAMPUS IN THIS 230 ACRES THAT THEY MAY HAVE SOME INTEREST IN DOING SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S A, ANOTHER BUILDING, A SPORTS FACILITY, SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY NEED.
UH, THEY ASKED US TO WORK WITH THEIR ARCHITECT AND THEIR ARCHITECT HAS AN ADAMANT DESIRE TO HAVE A SINGULAR CAMPUS.
SO THAT I, THAT, THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO TO, TO, TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AND CREATE AND, AND CREATES, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING THAT WAS SOME HELP THAT DIDN'T DIDN'T PAN OUT.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARTICIPATION WITH THEM OTHER THAN IT WAS FROM 2008.
WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE THE STORY OF CARRIAGE TRAILS.
IF YOU TOLD SOMEBODY THIS STORY IN 2008, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MARK, YOU KNOW, W WE JUST, NO ONE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THE CITY WOULD BE THIS SUCCESSFUL IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND I MEAN, THIS PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN, HAS DONE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST UNHEARD OF.
AND NO MATTER HOW, EVEN AFTER THE FIRST FEW YEARS WHEN WE SAW IT COMMON, THE SCHOOL BOARD SEEMS LIKE THEY CAN ONLY, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF YOU SITTING OUT THERE THAT ARE WAY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE SCHOOLS THAN I AM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SCHOOLS ARE LIMITED TO ONLY BE ABLE TO REACT TO WHAT HAPPENED, UH, NOT TO WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
AND I'M SURE THAT OVER THE YEARS, FOR ALL THE DEVELOPERS THAT TOLD A SCHOOL BOARD, HOW MANY STUDENTS, THEY WERE GOING TO DELIVER TO THEM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE THAN OVER PROJECTED WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THEN TOLD THE TRUTH, BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE YOU WERE GOING TO SELL 120 HOMES A YEAR FOR 10 YEARS RUNNING IN.
AND THEY, IF THEY DID BELIEVE AS THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD A SCHOOL THAT BIG.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S WITH THE SCHOOL, THE CHALLENGE IS BEING ABLE TO GET AHEAD OF THE PROJECTION VERSUS ONLY BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH PROVEN FACTS OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY OCCURRED.
[02:10:02]
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP THEM ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE WITH THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR PROJECTIONS ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT NOW FOR THE PAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS.AND WHEN THEY DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD, IT SEEMS LIKE BY THE TIME THEIR CONSTRUCTION'S FINISHED, THEY'RE ALREADY BEHIND THE GUN ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY COULD BE AT THE MOMENT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR MARIJUANA, LAST POINT, IF I MAY, AND THEN I'M FINISHED WITH THIS TOPIC FOR THIS EVENING, UM, AS JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK IT WOULD BE VITALLY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THIS BODY OF COUNCIL TO REACH OUT TO BETHEL TOWNSHIP AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, AND, UH, HAVE A COMPLETE JOINT MEETING.
AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR KEN TO BE THERE, TO MAKE SURE ALL THE FACTS ARE ON THE TABLE.
UM, BECAUSE THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN AS A POLITICAL NIGHTMARE OF ANNEXATION, THAT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH AS IT DID DOWN SOUTH.
UM, AND IT'S STILL CONTINUING GOING ON DOWN SOUTH.
UM, I THINK IF TO MR. CONAWAY, HIS POINT, IF WE CAN HELP EXPEDITE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD OR BETHEL TOWNSHIP BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THREE, UM, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS TO SIT DOWN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, AND TO HAVE A COMPLETE FACTUAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, UM, TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE LEADERSHIP IS INVOLVED AND HAS ALL THE RIGHT ANSWERS.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BRINGING MIAMI TOWNSHIP COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 233 ACRES, THAT'S AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I'M GONNA USE A TERM THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A FUTURE OF TWO COMMUNITIES AND A HUGE EXPANSION OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT TRIED TO GO TO THE STATE TO GET EXTRA MONEY.
BUT THE STATE SAID, HEY, YOU CAN ONLY GET MONEY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE, NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.
UM, SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A BOATLOAD OF CONVERSATION.
I THINK ALL THE KEY PLAYERS NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE IN THAT SOONER, RATHER THAN LATER, I THINK THE ISSUE IS, UM, AND I'M, I'M NOT A SCHOOL TREASURER, BUT IN TERMS OF SCHOOL FINANCE, I KNOW THAT SCHOOLS CAN'T GO OUT AND BORROW MONEY.
SO SCHOOL ACCOUNTS ARE BASICALLY ALL CASH RUN.
SO THEY HAVE X AMOUNT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE BANK AND, AND THAT'S THEIR MONEY THAT THEY GENERATE OFF OF THEIR REVENUE SOURCES AND PROPERTY TAXES.
SO I THINK IT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO THINK ABOUT TO YOUR POINT PROJECTED WHAT TO BUILD, BECAUSE THAT MONEY THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN YET.
THEY CAN'T GO OUT AND BORROW $50 MILLION ON POTENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY TAXES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BORROW MONEY.
SO SCHOOL DISTRICTS CAN'T GO INTO DEBT FINANCIALLY.
IT'S ALL, ALL THEIR EXPENDITURES ARE BASED ON A, ON AN ANNUALIZED CASH BUDGET.
SO THAT IS, UH, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT'S THE ISSUE, WHY THEY'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO CATCH UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY TO SPEND UNTIL THE HOUSES WERE BUILT AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE COLLECTING THE REVENUE.
AND BY THE TIME THEY COLLECT REVENUE OFF OF THE NEW PHASE, AND BY THE TIME THEY'RE GETTING THAT MONEY IN AND WE'RE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY SELLING, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED, MAYBE 240 MORE BY THE TIME THE ACTUAL PERSON MOVES IN, THEY GET, THEY GET MOVED DOWN, THE TAX ROLL HITS FROM THE COUNTY.
IT MIGHT BE 18, 19 MONTHS BEFORE SOMEBODY'S FIRST PROPERTY TAX BILL COMES.
SO THEY THEY'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BORROW MONEY TO DO THAT.
IT'S ALL BASED ON CASH CASH ON HAND.
I THINK TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR IN THE EARLY YEARS, OUR STORY WAS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE COULD SELL THEM ANY HOME FROM ABOUT THE FOURTH YEAR ON PROBABLY THE THAT'S, WHAT THE ISSUE TURNED OUT TO.
THEY JUST HAD NO WAY FINANCIALLY TO STAY AHEAD OF RIGHT.
AND EVEN NOW, IF THEY BELIEVE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY BY LAW TO GO OUT AND BORROW THE MONEY TO BUILD, TO, TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME.
THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO PLAY CATCH UP BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY UNTIL THEY'VE RECEIVED IT INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR ACCOUNTS.
THAT'S THE BEST UNDERSTANDING I HAVE OF SCHOOL FINANCE, ANYTHING I'M SORRY.
DON HAD HIS CATHETER COME BACK.
UM, I, I AGREE THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED.
UH, BUT, UH, HOWEVER, THIS PETITION IS FROM THE CITIZENS TO GET THE PROPERTY ANNEX.
AND OUR EARLY ROLE HERE IS TO SAY, IF IT DOES GET ANNEX, THEN WE WILL PROVIDE SERVICES.
SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO STOP THIS REQUEST FROM, FOR MR. CONAWAY FROM MOVING FORWARD WHILE WE GATHER MORE INFORMATION TO PREPARE FOR WHEN IT COMES BACK, IF IT IS ANNEX.
AND THEN WE DO WHAT'S NECESSARY HERE ON THE DIETS,
[02:15:01]
BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE WHAT HE'S DOING DELAYED WELL, WHILE WE HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS.UM, YEAH, I W I WANT TO GET BACK TO WHAT'S BEFORE THE RESOLUTION.
SO, UM, SCOTT, I'M GONNA ADDRESS YOU.
YOU STATED THAT, UM, WE HAVE NO, NO ISSUES.
YOU'VE, UM, YOU'VE CHECKED WITH STAFF, YOUR STAFF, POLICE, AND FIRE, UM, THE SEWER AND WATER, NOT AN ISSUE OF PUBLIC WORKS, NOT AN ISSUE.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THOSE COUNCILS SHOULDN'T BE, ARE, ARE THERE ANY RED FLAGS OUT THERE FOR YOU, A REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERING US? YEAH, I DON'T SEE THEM.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SERVICES AND YES, THERE'S MORE WORK THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, BUT, UH, WE'VE SHOWN THAT WE CAN HANDLE THAT.
WE'VE HAD, UH, DISCUSSIONS ON IMPROVING, UH, THINGS AND EXPANDING OUR SERVICES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE BUILT A WATER TOWER UP THERE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
UH, WE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN THAT IT WAS EXACTLY 233 ACRES THAT POTENTIAL HERE, BUT IT WAS DESIGNED WITH POTENTIAL OF GROWTH.
UM, AND SO ON THOSE SERVICE ENDS OF THINGS, UM, THAT, UH, WE FEEL THAT WE CAN HANDLE THINGS.
WE BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION UP NORTH FOR ADDITIONAL CALLS WITHIN THAT AREA.
UM, SO, UM, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE, UM, THE GROWTH AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO AIR FOR CLARIFICATION.
THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS WE, UM, WILL, AS, AS OUR LEGAL COUNSEL JUST SAID, WE WILL PROVIDE SERVICES IF THAT AREA IS ANNEXED.
SO IT'S, UH, ONLY HERE IS AMEX.
THAT ANSWERS ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T SEE ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE AGENDA.
RICHARD, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A CLARIFICATION, UH, NO WAY WAS TOO SLOW.
ROLL THIS PIECE, GOING TO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FUTURE CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S FINE.
I THINK YOU WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I THINK SOME PEOPLE MISS THE TRAIN.
I AGREE WITH NANCY AND COUNCIL MEMBER WEBB, ONCE THE MYLAR IS SET FOR THIS, IF WE COULD APPROACH THE SCHOOLS AND THE TOWNSHIP AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND HAVE THEM HAVE THAT DIALOGUE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
WHAT WOULD BE GOING IN MAYOR? WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, TAKE CHARGE OF PUTTING THOSE MEETINGS HERE? WHAT'S YOUR, ARE YOU REPORTING THAT HE'S TRIED TO DUCK? OKAY.
SO TONY IS OUR WORK ON, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH, UM, SORT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS THERE, THE OTHER THREE OR THREE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES.
THERE'S THREE, THREE TRUSTEES.
AND THEN THE SCHOOL BOARD, I GUESS, WHERE WE REALLY START.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
SO WE KNOW THOSE ARE, I THINK, JUST LIKE, AS YOU TRY TO ARRANGE KIND OF A JOINT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING WITH COUNCIL, YOU YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO, I THINK HE ARRIVES THE TREASURER KIND OF MANAGED TO HELP MANAGE THE SUPERINTENDENT SCHEDULE.
SO THAT'S WHO YOU WERE IN COMMUNICATION WITH.
SO I THINK SOME PHONE CALLS TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE, AND THEN, UM, CERTAINLY COMMUNICATION WITH KEN AND THEN FINDING SOME TIME THAT ALL OF OUR TIMELINE IS OPEN AND JUST NEGOTIATE THAT DOWN TO THE ACTUAL MEETING TIMES, TONY WILL HANDLE THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE TRUSTEES.
AND THAT'LL CERTAINLY BE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE A SOONER RATHER THAN LATER CONVERSATION.
BUT THE LAST PART WAS, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS GOING FORWARD ON MONDAY.
SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO BRING US ON TO MONDAY? SO MOVE ON TO ITEM
[ Monita Field Parking/Amenities]
THREE, WHICH IS THE MINI FIELD.I THINK WE'LL BOTH, UH, TACKLE THIS ONE.
IF I MAY START, UM, THAT, UH, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, UM, WE WERE, UH, COUNCIL TASKED US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT.
UM, CAUSE WE WERE BRINGING FORWARD SOME ADDITIONAL WORK, UH, FOR FIXING THE EXISTING AND THE DRIVEWAYS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, W UH, JOSH DID GO OUT AND, UH, TO THE CONTRACTOR
[02:20:01]
AND GOT A QUOTE FOR, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING LAYOUT THAT EXPANDS ON THE EXISTING THAT PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL 12 SPACES, UM, THAT FIT WITHIN THAT AREA PROPERLY.UM, SO THAT IS, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, THAT PROPOSAL OF THE, UH, I'M SORRY, 23, 4 84 I'S ARE NOT WHAT THEY USED.
UM, SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THIS IS, UM, THAT LEGISLATION WOULD BE, SO THIS WAS NOT BID OUT THAT THIS PIECE WOULD BE WAIVING THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS AND ATTACHMENT TO WHAT WAS BID OUT.
UM, UH, HAD A, UH, UH, SOME INFORMATION AND I WANT TO THANK MS. BERGE FOR, UM, ASKING THE QUESTION OF THIS IS THE ORIGINAL WORK FOR THE PARKING LOT WAS UNDER THE PREVAILING WAGE THRESHOLD.
THIS NEW WORK WOULD PUT IT OVER THAT THRESHOLD.
SO, UM, ALL OF THE PARKING LOT WORK WOULD BE PREVAILING WAGE.
NOW TALKING WITH, UH, MR. KING THAT, UH, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY PAY PREVAILING WAGE RATES, UH, NORMALLY AS A PRACTICE, BUT PRIOR TO MONDAY, WE WILL HAVE A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE WITH PREVAILING WAGE RATES.
AND THEN WE WILL DO OUR STANDARD PROCESS, UH, THROUGH OUR PREVAILING WAGE COORDINATOR OF, UH, MAKING SURE ALL OF THAT PAPERWORK IS DONE CORRECTLY.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BEFORE WE GOT TO MONDAY THAT THE NUMBER MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AND THAT MAY CHANGE A DECISION.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT IT WOULD BE ALL PREVAILING WAGE WAR.
ANY QUESTIONS I, I JUST WAS GOING TO ASK CLARIFICATION ON, ARE WE PLANNING TO A MAN THE ITEM THAT'S CURRENTLY AT THE SECOND READING WITH THIS NEW LEGISLATION, OR WOULD IT BE SIMPLER TO JUST NO, AND ACTION ON THAT RESOLUTION AND INTRODUCED THIS ITEM AS A NEW REASON? I THINK IF I GET A DIFFERENT NUMBER FOR PREVAILING WAGE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ABANDON THE ORIGINAL ONE ANYWAYS.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE MR. MCDONALD, JUST TO AMEND AND HAVE ONE NEW LEGISLATION THAT, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU I'D LIKE TO AMEND.
I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE PROCESS CLEAR PROCEDURES AND STUFF FOR MONDAY.
SO SOMEBODY GLENN AND I JUST WANTED TO, FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO THE REPAVING OF WHAT'S THERE.
I'M ASSUMING YOU SAID ADDING 12 SPACES, I WOULD GUESS TO THE SOUTH OF THE OLD POOL PARKING LOT.
THE CURRENT SPACE IS RUN EAST WEST, RIGHT.
SO THIS WOULD BE 12 NORTH SOUTH SPACES ON THAT SOUTH END OF THE PARKING LOT.
THEY WOULD JUST MAKE THE PARKING LOT AND YOU ESSENTIALLY, YOU SHAPE OF PARKING.
SO SOMEONE I'M GONNA WRAP UP, UH, AND JUST CLARIFY WHAT WE ARE MOVING ON TO MONDAY.
UM, JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE MAY BE A CHANGE THEN PRIOR TO MONDAY'S MEETING BASED ON PREVAILING WAGE NUMBERS.
RIGHT? SO WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION TO ALLOW FOR, UH, REPAIR WORK ON EXISTING PARKING LOT, ADD NEW PARKING SPACES TO THAT.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THE PRICE MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT WITH PREVAILING WAGE, BUT WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING ON WHETHER ALL THOSE ORIGINAL RATES WERE PREVAILING WAGE.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Baseball Field Maintenance Contract]
IS ITEM THREE IN WHICH IS THE BASEBALL FIELD MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.SO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU GUYS HAD, UM, WHAT WAS DRAWN UP AS, UH, WE SENT OUT FOR QUOTES FOR A BASEBALL FIELDS, THE TWO FIELDS THAT MANITA TO BE REFURBISHED, TO MAKE THEM USABLE, AND ALSO A FIELD NUMBER ONE AT CLOUD PARK, THE HARDBALL DIAMOND.
UM, I WAS ONLY ABLE TO GET TWO COMPANIES TO EVEN QUOTE THOSE BEYOND THOSE TWO COMPANIES.
I CALLED A FEW OTHER COMPANIES THAT DIRECTED ME BACK TO ONE OF THESE TWO.
UM, SO WE GOT TWO SETS OF QUOTES, ONE FROM MERCER GROUP ONE FROM LAWN PLUS.
UM, I THINK A LAWN PLUS CAME OUT SO ABOUT, IT WAS LIKE 38,000 MERCER GROUP CAME OUT.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS JUST THE WAVE, THE COMPETITIVE BID, AND BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE OF THESE AND MOVE ON AND GET THOSE THREE FIELDS REDONE.
SO THEY CAN BE USED NEXT SEASON.
[02:25:02]
HOW FAST, HOW FAST IS? I MEAN, I MEAN, LIKE, I MEAN FOR NEXT SEASON, BUT WHEN THIS IS ALL GONNA BE KIND OF DONE BEFORE WINTER, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA BE JUMPING AND THEN RIGHT AWAY A MONTH OR SO BACK WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, THEY SAID THEY HAD ROOM ON THEIR SEPTEMBER SCHEDULE.WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING MORE OCTOBER SCHEDULE NOW.
UM, BUT UH, THEY SAID THEY CAN COME IN AND KNOCK THEM OUT FAIRLY QUICK.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSH NANCY? I DO.
UM, WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THEY ONE OF THESE TWO? EITHER ONE OF THEM.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE, UH, THE REWORK ON THEM, THE NATIVE PARK FIELDS, I THOUGHT OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WAS THE COMPANY THAT WAS GOING TO COME IN AND DO A FIVE-YEAR LEASE ON THAT PROPERTY WAS GOING TO COME IN AND FIX AND MAINTAIN THE FIELD NO, THERE THAT THEY WOULD BE COMING AND THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINING.
AND THEN THEY WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK AS FAR AS DUGOUTS PAINTING FENCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO START WITH.
SO IT WOULD BE US GETTING THE FIELDS REDONE AND THEN THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINING THEM FROM THERE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, IF WE VOTE ON THIS ON MONDAY, WE'RE GOING TO SELECT A VENDOR, THE RECOMMENDATION AS LAWNS PLUS, CAUSE THEY REALLY LOWER.
I, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED SPELLED OUT BECAUSE, UM, BACK IN, UH, YOU KNOW, LOWEST PRICE, ISN'T ALWAYS THE BEST.
AND, AND MERCER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
UM, AND THEY'VE DONE PROFESSIONAL FIELDS.
AND WHEN I SPOKE TO MR. MERCER BACK IN 2016, UH, WHEN I PROPOSED A PREMIER DOG, UH, PREMIERE, UM, BASEBALL FIELD HERE AT CLOUD PARK, UM, HE GAVE ME A, UH, A REAL GOOD BREAKDOWN ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO AND WHAT PRICE IT WAS GOING TO BE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESSES THAT THESE TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES ARE DOING, TO ME, IT CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE PROCESS THAT MR. BURSAR HAS, HAS SUGGESTED IS SUPERIOR TO WHAT THE LAWN SERVICE HAS LAWN PLUS.
AND, UM, AND MR. MERCER TOLD ME AT THAT TIME THAT, THAT HE HAD EVEN HAD TO COME BACK TO WAYNE, UH, WHEN THEY HAD CONTRACTED A VENDOR TO DO WORK, HE HAD TO CALL MERCER OUT TO FIX WHAT THEY DIDN'T DO.
AND I JUST KINDA FEEL LIKE, UM, MERCER IS, UH, IS PRETTY MUCH THE GOLD STANDARD AND, AND DOING, UM, BASEBALL FIELD WORK.
AND I WOULD TRULY SUPPORT, UM, SUPPORT GIVING THAT CONTRACT TO THEM.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE $5,000.
LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I GOT THE QUOTES AND FOLLOWING OUR NORMAL PROCESS, SO YEAH.
AND, AND ALSO THE, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED WAS, UH, AT THE, UH, WITH THE PROCESSES THAT HE QUOTED IN HIS PRICES SINCE 2016, THERE'S STILL ABOUT THE SAME RATE.
AND I GUESS I JUST, YOU KNOW, THEIR LAWN PLUS DOESN'T TALK ABOUT DOING THE LASER INSTRUMENTS TO CALCULATE THE GRADE SLOPES AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE NOT GO TO DO IT.
GLENN, JOSH, HAVE YOU ASKED AROUND AND SEE WHAT KIND OF WORK THEY'VE DONE FOR OTHER PLACES? YEAH.
THE MERCER GAVE ME AN ENTIRE BOOKLET OF, OF, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL THEM, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR REFERENCES.
SO, UH, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE COLLEGES AND HIGH SCHOOLS ALL OVER THE STATE.
UM, SO ANY OTHER ONE, ANYTHING FROM, UM, NOTHING SPECIFIC? NO, I KNOW THEY DID SOME FIELDS OUT AT CLOUD FOR LITTLE LEAGUE A FEW YEARS BACK.
UM, BUT I, YEAH, I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING FROM THAT FOR THEM, BUT LAWNS PLUS WHEN THEY TURNED IN THEIR BID, IT WAS A WHOLE FOLDER OF THINGS, SO.
JOSH AT FIRST BLUSH ON WHAT KIND OF BOAT PROPOSALS MARSHALL LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE A BETTER PEDIGREE, BUT DO YOU HAVE A GUT FEELING ON ONE COMPANY OR THE OTHER? IS THERE ONE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR YOU? I KNOW THIS IS ALL ABOVE MY, UH, UNDERSTANDING AS FAR AS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THESE FIELDS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY, UH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH, UM, COUNSELING, UM, BURBS THAT JUST LOOKING AT IT ON PAPER, UM, MERCER SEEMS TO, UM, HAVE QUITE A FEW ADVANTAGES OVER THE LAWNS LOSS.
[02:30:01]
THANKS.MA'AM, THERE'S THAT STRONG OF A RECOMMENDATION FROM A COUNCIL PERSON.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING IN PARKS OVERALL, UH, I THINK IT IS SILLY TO START TALKING ABOUT A $5,000 DIFFERENCE IF WE KNOW WHAT THE PEDIGREE OF A CERTAIN COMPANY IS.
AND, UM, AND THE QUALITY OF WORK TO THE VIEW.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT EITHER RICHARD, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A SITUATION I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BERGE THAT, UH, WE, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, MERCER, UH, UH, QUOTE, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THEIR WORK, UM, NOT JUST HERE IN TOWN AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS, ALSO, UH, WITH SOME OTHER SURROUNDING LITTLE LEAGUE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL.
AND, UM, AND, AND SCHOOL PARKS, I THINK THEY DO A QUALITY JOB.
UH, THEY COME HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
UM, HOWEVER, I THINK SOME OF THEIR QUOTES ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE REGION HAVE BEEN A LITTLE HIGH.
I THINK THESE RIGHT HERE ARE HITTING THE SPOT.
AND I WILL SAY THAT I'M FAMILIAR ALSO WITH LAWNS PLUS WORK.
UM, THEY ARE A GOOD REPUTABLE COMPANY, UM, NOTHING AGAINST THEM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS IT STATED WHEN OUR, OUR NICHE IS THAT, UM, I THINK MERCER GROUP IS DEFINITELY THE, THE REGIONAL STANDARD FOR THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE, UM, MOTION ON THE SECOND, THE THIRD AND POSSIBLY A FOURTH, UH, TO GOOD AND MOVE MERCER ONTO THE, UM, MONDAY MEETING OR ANY OBJECTIONS.
[ TJL-CES, LLC Purchase Agreement - Sale of Property]
THE TGA LLC.LLC PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR A SALE OF PROPERTY.
SHE TOLD ME YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ANYMORE.
SHE'S NOT I'LL UH, I'LL TAKE THAT, SIR.
UM, INCLUDED IN, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT IS, UH, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND, UH, SI UH, THERE WAS, UH, CDS, SHAKE IT, KICK IT REGARDING, UH, ABOUT AN ACRE PARCEL, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE MEYER ACCESS DRIVE AND NOT BRAD PIKE.
UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED DISAGREEMENT.
UH, THIS IS, UH, THE PURCHASE PRICE IS 150,000 PER ACRE.
AND THIS IS, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPRAISED VALUES THAT WERE DETERMINED EARLIER IN THE YEAR, RIGHT AFTER OUR ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE REGARDING THE SPECIFIC PARCEL, UM, HERE'S ITS LOCATION, UH, OUTLINED IN BLUE AND, UH, SHADED HERE.
UM, INTERESTING NOTE TO THIS IS THE, UH, EASEMENT ACCESS POINT HERE, UH, WHICH WILL ALLOW, UH, POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE, UH, OF THIS ACREAGE AS WELL.
SO, UH, DIDN'T WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE SOME ADVANTAGES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL BEYOND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE WRITING.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S THE MOST EXCITING PIECE WITHOUT EVEN JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SALE OF THAT SPECIFIC PARCEL IS THE ACCESS NOW THAT YOU GET TO THAT, ALL THAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS, AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE OTHER 10 ACRES OF THE 52 ACRES THAT WE PURCHASED ALL THERE AS PART OF THE LAYMAN FARM.
SO THIS IS THE OTHER 10 ACRES.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WITH THE 42 ACRES ACROSS THE STREET FOR BASICALLY WHAT WE PAID FOR THE ENTIRE 52 ACRES.
SO NOW THIS IN TERMS OF REVENUE IS ALL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE SPENT THE FIRST TIME, AND THIS NOW ADDS ACCESS FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN, INTO THAT 10 ACRES, OTHER THAN OFF OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, IT COMES IN RIGHT THERE BY MEYER BY THE GAS THAT'S THE GAS STATION I'M LOOKING AT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO IS IT TOO EARLY? I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE.
UM, SO, UH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DISCLOSE THE END USER ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO US PUBLICLY.
WELL, I WILL SAY I'LL BE GLAD TO SEE ALL THAT VEGETATION GONE.
SO YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE TURNING OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION, RIGHT? YEAH, DEFINITELY SOME ADVANTAGES TO SELLING THAT PARCEL AND ADDING ON ACCESS.
I PROBABLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THOSE, BUT, UM, THE PARK SERVICE PICKING UP THE COST A LOT SPLIT, UM, AND ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL OR WAS THAT COMING OUT OF OUR CUP? SO WE, AS THE CITY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE SURVEY FOR THE LOT SPLIT ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF THE SURVEY LOT SPLIT FOR HORIZON.
AND SO IT WAS JUST EASIER FOR US TO EXPEDITE THE SALE TO INCLUDE THAT.
AND SINCE THEY'RE SETTING A PURCHASE PRICE EQUAL TO, OR EXCEEDING THE APPRAISED
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VALUE, WE WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND THROW IN THAT, UH, THAT, THAT SURVEY.MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE TREES ON EACH SIDE? UH, THAT AT THIS POINT I DO NOT KNOW.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE THE TREE.
I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING TO ME, BRIAN, AND UPDATE ME WITH NOT ONLY THIS PARCEL, BUT THE PARCELS ACROSS THE STREET THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED.
UM, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU AND JASON FOR YOUR EFFORT THAT YOU CERTAINLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
WHAT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
AND YOU'VE NOW GOT EVERYTHING UNDER AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, THE NINE ACRES THERE THAT'S, UH, JUST TO VIDEO, WE'LL BE NORTH OF DISTRICT TO THE RIGHT OF THIS.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNDER CONTRACT THEN TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, THIS IS ALL EXTRA, INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL NINE ACRES THAT YOU'LL MARKET AND DEVELOP YOURSELF.
BUT IF, IF YOU'LL THINK, UH, JASON FOSTER ALSO FOR HIS EFFORT, I KNOW THAT BOTH OF YOU HAVE REALLY BEAT THE STREET TO FIND PEOPLE TO BUY THAT PROPERTY.
I WILL PASS THOSE COMPLIMENTS ON, SIR.
I MEAN, $150,000 AN ACRE FOR ANOTHER, FOR 10 ACRES.
I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER WELL OVER A MILLION BUCKS ON TOP OF, OF REVENUE ON TOP OF WHAT WE SPENT FOR THAT COLLECTIVELY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO ASSUMING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Community Reinvestment Area (CRA) #6 - First Amendment]
AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE P THE COMMUNITY AND REINVESTMENT AREA, CRA NUMBER SIX, FIRST AMENDMENT.I WILL TAKE THAT AS WELL, SIR.
SO, UH, AREA SIX, UM, LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK, UM, IN THE LARGER PICTURE, IF YOU'LL RECALL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING AT OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE, UM, THERE ARE SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THAT AREA, AS WELL AS SITE ACCESSIBILITY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SUFFICIENT INAPPROPRIATE RESOURCES FOR BOTH PARTIES.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS ACCESS TO A PRE 1994, CRA.
UM, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE 100% TAX ABATEMENT FOR 15 YEARS CURRENTLY, UM, CRA SEVEN IS IN THIS AREA AND ONLY COVERS PORTIONS OF PROPERTY, SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND NOT ALL OF THE PARCELS, SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT AND FOR A VARIETY OF TECHNICAL REASONS.
WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO MODIFY OR TO EXCUSE ME, TO AMEND A CRA SEVEN.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT AND OUR COMMITMENT TO THE PARTNERSHIP IS WE ACTUALLY NEED TO ROLL OFF THE PARCELS THAT ARE THERE CRA SEVEN AND EXTEND ONTO THOSE PARCELS, CRA NUMBER SIX.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL CONSIDER THIS FIRST PIECE OF LEGISLATION, WHICH WILL ROLL IN A CRA DISTRICT SIX, AND THIS WILL PROVIDE, THIS WILL BASICALLY COME IT'S NORTH OF 70 AT THE MOMENT.
IT WILL COME SOUTH DOWN, WILD CAT, IT'LL PICK UP AT THE MOVIE THEATER AND THEN COME DO EAST, UM, AND PICK UP THIS AREA.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GAIN SOME ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES AND BENEFITS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WE'VE GOT THAT WILD CAT PROPERTY THAT HAS SOME CHALLENGES.
SO EXTENDING THE CRA DOWN WILL HELP US MARKET THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
UH, I THINK EVERYONE HERE, UM, CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THE SEA OF ASPHALT THAT IS, UH, OUTSIDE THE MOVIE THEATER THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING MORE SUSTAINABLE.
UH, AND THIS WILL ALSO HELP US MARKET, UH, THAT AREA AS WELL FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO CRA SIX WILL BE COMING DOWN SOUTH FROM WILDCAT AND THEN EAST OVER TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, A MODIFICATION TO CRA SEVEN, WE'LL PULL OFF THE SCATTERED PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN CRA DISTRICT SEVEN.
THERE ARE CORRESPONDING MAPS IN THE PACKET.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DID A GREAT JOB PULLING THEM UP ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB PULLING THEM UP HERE, UM, FOR, UH, PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.
SO I CAN PULL THOSE UP IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF THAT HELPS, UH, THE CONVERSATION, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED HERE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO SAY, BUT CERTAINLY ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SEE THAT MAP.
UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE YOU PULL THAT UP IF, IF ANYBODY WISHES.
[ Community Reinvestment Area (CRA) #7 - Modification]
I'LL JUST COLLECTIVELY COMBINE, UH, ITEM P AND Q.IS THERE ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING SIERRA NUMBER SIX AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE ROLLING OFF OF THOSE PARCELS THERE IN SIERRA NUMBER SEVEN?
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OKAY.ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ITEMS P AND Q TOGETHER ON TO, UM, WHAT ARE THESE BE TOGETHER? DO WE NEED TWO SEPARATE OF LEGISLATION? OKAY.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING BOTH THOSE, UH, ITEMS TO MONDAY'S MEETING FOR TWO SEPARATE PIECES OF LEGISLATION.
SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ITEMS P AND Q ONTO MONDAY.
[ OneOhio Subdivision Settlement Participation Form – National Opioid Settlement]
THREE R, WHICH IS THE ONE OHIO SUBDIVISION SETTLEMENT PARTICIPATION FORM, UH, FOR THE NATIONAL OPIOID SETTLEMENT, JERRY.I THOUGHT YOU HAD ONE MORE TO GO I'LL SLEEP IN HERE.
UM, WITH THE, WHAT WAS COMMONLY CALLED THE OPIOID CRISIS OF A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, STILL TECHNICALLY GOING ON.
UH, BUT AS A RESULT OF ALL THE EXPENSES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED, THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO PRIMARY LAWSUITS THAT WERE FILED NATIONALLY.
ONE WAS AGAINST PURDUE PHARMA, ONE OF THE MAKERS OF OXYCODONE AND THE SACKLER FAMILY, THE FAMILY THAT OWNS IT, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
BUT YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT RUN ALL THE TIME.
YOU READ ABOUT THAT ONE IN THE PAPER, THIS IS NOT THAT ONE.
THIS IS A SEPARATE ONE AGAINST THE DISTRIBUTORS OF THE OPIOIDS SAYING YOU GUYS SHOULD KNOW WHEN YOU WERE SELLING SO MUCH IN SHIPPING IT OUT.
THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WATCH OUT FOR THIS STUFF AND YOU DIDN'T.
AND SO THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST THE DISTRIBUTORS AND A GROUP OF OHIO MUNICIPALITIES FORMED A CONSORTIUM CALLED ONE OHIO AND JOINED TO ENTER INTO THAT LAWSUIT.
I, UM, DON'T BELIEVE HUBER HEIGHTS OFFICIALLY JOINED THAT CONSORTIUM, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT RELEVANT AT THIS POINT.
UM, WHEN OHIO AND THEN OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DISTRIBUTORS FOR A POTENTIAL SETTLEMENT, UM, THAT IS STILL HAS SOME DETAILS TO BE WORKING OUT.
BUT THE FIRST STEP WAS THEY HAD TO HAVE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OHIO MUNICIPALITIES OPT IN AND SAY, YEAH, WE, WE GENERALLY AGREE TO THIS.
AND THE BIG PROBLEM WAS THEY CAME OUT WITH THIS ON DAY ONE AND THEY SAID, YOU HAVE 10 DAYS TO OPT IN.
AND NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE WENT CRAZY AND TRIED TO SAY, NO COMMUNITY CAN GET ANYTHING DONE IN 10 DAYS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, UM, IN OUR CASE, UM, AFTER REVIEWING THIS AND DISCUSSING IT WITH THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE AND OTHER PEOPLE'S, I ADVISED MR.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE FILED THAT DOCUMENT SIMPLY SAYING, IF THIS GOES THROUGH, WE'LL AGREE TO THE MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING AND HOW THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND SO NOW WHAT THIS LEGISLATION IS COMING BEFORE YOU IS SIMPLY RATIFYING THAT, AND THIS IS WHAT I WOULD BELTS AND SUSPENDERS, BECAUSE SHOULD IT IN FACT, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SETTLEMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO SEE THIS LEGISLATION AND STUFF, AUTHORIZING THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS JUST SIMPLY TO RATIFY WHAT WE ALREADY DID, WHICH IF SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE AND APPROVED BY THE COURT AND APPROVED BY THE DEFENDANTS MAY RESULT IN SOME MONEY COMING TO THE CITY OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS TO BE USED FOR VERY SPECIFIC, TO BE DETERMINED, UH, TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JERRY? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING INTO THIS, UH, ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING TO RATIFY THE LETTER THAT THEY'VE ALREADY FILED.
[ Liquor Permit #58111440425 - Meijer Gas - 7266 Executive Boulevard]
UP IS ITEM THREE S WHICH IS LIKE A REMIT NUMBER OF 5 8 1 1 1 4 4 0 45 4, THE MEYER GAS STATION, 7,266 EXECUTIVE BOARD.AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF LIQUOR PERMITS COMING THROUGH HERE FOR IT'S BEEN A LIQUID TIME, I GUESS.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT.
IT'S AT THE MEYER GAS STATION ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS, AND THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, LIQUOR PERMITS.
UH, WITH COUNSEL'S PERMISSION, WE WOULD ASK TO PUT A MOTION ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY TO, UH, TO, UH, NOTIFY THE HIGHER DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL.
HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS LIQUOR.
I WAS JUST ASKING ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS.
[ Liquor Permit #3097970 - Marathon - 7851 Old Troy Pike]
TO ITEM THREE T AND OTHER LIQUOR PERMIT FOR NUMBER 3 0 9 7 9 7 0 FOR THE MARATHON GAS STATION, 70 51 OLD TROY PIKE.THIS IS AN EXISTING LIQUOR PERMIT AT THIS LOCATION AT MARATHON.
UM, IT'S TRANSFERRED A COUPLE OF
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TIMES ACTUALLY IN RECENT YEARS, UH, BUT IT'S, UH, TO TRANSFER THE LIQUOR PERMIT TO A NEW OWNER AT THE SAME LOCATION.SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE FIRE AND POLICE DIVISIONS WITH NO OBJECTIONS.
SO WITH COUNSEL'S PERMISSION, WE'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY TO, UH, NOTIFY THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL, HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE TRANSFER OF THIS.
ANY OBJECTIONS? QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, OR OBJECTIONS? YEP.
JERRY, JUST, JUST TO BEAT MR. SHAW TO THE PUNCH, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK AREN'T YOU, UM, WE HAVE A HEARING FOR THE SNEAKY D'S, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN BUSINESS SENSATIONS, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN BUSINESS KODIAK, WHICH IS IN BUSINESS LIQUOR LICENSE ON SEPTEMBER 13TH.
SO AFTER TWO YEARS AND THREE OBJECTIONS, UH, WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO HAVE A HEARING.
AND SO WE WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW THAT COMES OUT, BUT, UH, FINALLY THERE, SO THANK YOU, RICHARD.
SO YOU CAN NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PERMIT FOR THE MARATHON TRANSFER.
WE'LL MOVE THAT ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING AS WELL.
[ City Manager Search Firm Proposals]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE U, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH FIRM PROPOSALS.UH, TONY JUST HAND A HANDS-OFF MATTER OF INTRODUCTION.
WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
UH, COUNCIL WAS PRESENTED WITH THE FIVE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FOR THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS. UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT THAT MEETING ABOUT, UH, COUNCIL WANTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THOSE, UH, PROPOSALS AND TO WEIGH, UH, THEIR PREFERENCES FOR THOSE.
UM, AS REQUESTED, I DID FOLLOW UP BY DISTRIBUTING TO THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, TO THE SUGGESTED SCORING OR RATING SHEETS.
AND, UM, THOSE WERE PROVIDED, UM, ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.
AND SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF EVALUATING AND DETERMINING HOW TO PROCEED WITH SELECTING A PROPOSAL FOR AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHO WE ARE, HOW WE SELECT AND DECIDE WHICH FIRM WE'RE GOING TO USE, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT WE PROBABLY, UH, TAKE OUR TOP TWO AND INVITE THEIR PRINCIPALS TO EITHER A ZOOM MEETING OR EVEN TO COME INTO THE CITY.
UM, I WOULD SAY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE HAVE THE PROCESS AT LEAST WRAPPED UP AND HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER READY TO GO, UM, BY JANUARY 1ST.
SO I THINK WHATEVER THIS PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SEARCH FIRM CAN'T GET STARTED ON THEIR PROCESS.
I THINK SOME OF THEM, UH, AROUND THAT 16 WEEK TIMELINE WAS PRETTY, I THINK PROBABLY PRETTY EFFICIENT, MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE EVEN, BUT, UM, SO I THINK WE, WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS, UH, IT WOULD BE HARD TO JUST PICK SOMEBODY BASED ON PAPER AND GO, OH YEAH, I LIKE THEM.
UM, NOW WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? BUT I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE WHOSE RESUME.
WASN'T VERY GOOD AND THEY ENDED UP BEING FANTASTIC EMPLOYEES AND I'VE ALSO DONE JUST THE OPPOSITE.
I MEAN, I'VE, UH, TALKED TO HIM WHO INTERVIEWED REALLY WELL, UM, WHO ENDS UP NOT SO GREAT.
SO I THINK HAVING A RESUME AND I JUST THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE TOP TWO PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, BASED ON PAPER, WE THINK THIS IS, THIS IS THE RIGHT MOVE AND, AND ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO START THAT OFF THAT WAY.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT KIND OF WHO ARE, WHO OUR TOP TWO IS OF THE FIVE WE'VE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, HAVE TONY ARRANGED FOR, AGAIN, EITHER IN-PERSON INTERVIEW, UM, OR ON A ZOOM THAT WE COULD ALL BE ON TO BE A PART OF, UH, TO, TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT FIRM.
UM, I LAST, SO LAST TIME, I MEAN, I KNOW, UM, I, I KINDA MENTIONED I TOOK A TRIP TO, UM, ILLINOIS, SO I REALLY HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
SO I READ THROUGH ALL THOSE PROPOSALS AND IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE THAT HAD STOOD OUT, UM, ABOVE THE OTHERS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, I'LL JUST GO AND I CAN SAY, I THINK THE, UM, AND I, AND FOR A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC REASONS, BUT I THINK THE FIRM THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS, UH, WAS BIGGER TELLY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED ABOUT THEM TOO, IS, WELL, A COUPLE THINGS.
THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN, UH, MINNESOTA AND ONE IN DALLAS.
AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THAT IS WE'RE NOT, I FEEL LIKE THE BROADER OF A NET THAT WE CAN CAST.
MAYBE THEY HAVE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE TABLE THAT, UM, AREN'T FROM OHIO, RIGHT? SO MAYBE WE FIND SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE ANY PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OR HAS NEVER HEARD ABOUT HEBREW HEIGHTS BEFORE SOMEBODY WHO IS LOOKING AT, AT OUR CITY AS A, AS A BLANK SLATE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER COMPANIES WERE ACTUALLY, THEY WERE MORE LOCAL.
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WHAT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO EITHER IS THEM PUTTING OUT A SEARCH FOR OUR CITY MANAGER.AND THEN WE FIND OUT THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING A LIST OF KIND OF RECYCLED CANDIDATES WHO ARE NOT CHOSEN FOR SOME OF OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES AROUND US AS WELL.
SO HOPEFULLY, UM, THEY'D BE ABLE TO BRING SOME DIFFERENT CANDIDATES TO THE TABLE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, TO ME, THAT WE'RE ONLY ONES WHEN WE DUG INTO THIS ONE ON ONES, IT REALLY ADDRESSED THE IDEA OF, UM, OF DIVERSITY AND LOOKING FOR DIVERSE CANDIDATES.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY REALLY TOOK THAT SERIOUS IN THEIR PROPOSAL.
UM, FAR MORE SERIOUS THAN I FELT THE OTHERS DID.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OTHER COMPANIES DIDN'T ADDRESS IT, BUT THEY SAW THE REALLY SERIOUS, I THINK, EVEN BELONGED TO A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT, UM, THAT REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT.
SO I THINK JUST FROM THE TERMS OF BEING ON THEIR RADAR, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, UM, WHEN WE KNOW HOW DIVERSE OUR COMMUNITY IS.
SO, UM, I SUBMITTED, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION SHEET.
I RANKED THEM ALL ONE THROUGH FIVE AND I SENT THAT TO TONY.
UM, I WILL CERTAINLY LET EVERYBODY ELSE DISCUSS IT.
THE COM THE CONFIRMED THAT I LIST AS NUMBER FIVE WAS COFFIN ASSOCIATES ONLY BECAUSE, UM, MAINLY COUGH WAS THE ONE THAT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY HAD A WHOLE LOT IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO THE ONE THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY FIRM THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO THE ICMI.
SO, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T BELONG TO THAT ORGANIZATIONS, PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION BEING AFFIRM, WHO IS SUPPOSED TO SPECIALIZE IN, UH, FINDING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND CITY MANAGERS BEING PART OF THAT, THAT WASN'T, THAT WAS A CONCERN TO ME.
AND THEN THE OTHER THREE WERE, I THOUGHT WERE KIND OF ALL PRETTY SIMILAR.
SO IT REALLY COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4 FOR THE NEXT ONE.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN 4, 3, 2, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT KIND OF ROUNDED OUT, CAUSE ALL THEIR PROPOSALS WERE FAIRLY SIMILAR, UH, TO ME, UH, WHETHER OR NOT YOU ALL AGREE, THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE, BUT, UM, BAKER TELLY WAS THE COMPANY THAT I HAD RANKED FIRST.
AND THEN, UH, MY SECOND ONE WOULD, WOULD HAVE BEEN THE, UM, UH, WAS GOV HR, I GUESS YOU CAN JUST IN, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THEM HAVING EXPERIENCED THINKING, THEY WOULD, UM, UH, BEING THEY'RE AN HR COMPANY FOCUSED ON GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, UH, AND MAYBE THE, THE EXPERIENCE THEY HAD AND EXPERTISE, MAYBE THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE ALREADY IN THEIR PIPELINE.
UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF A MIKEY RANKING.
SO CERTAINLY OPEN THAT FOR DISCUSSION FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT THAT WAS KIND OF THE ORDER THAT I HAD OR THAT I HAD THEM IN.
I CAN SAY THAT WE DEFINITELY AGREED ON COFFIN ASSOCIATES.
IT'S JUST, IT JUST, I WASN'T FEELING IT.
UM, I ALSO PICKED UP ON AND MADE NOTES TO BAKER TILLY BEING, UH, THAT THEY WERE VERY DIVERSITY FOCUSED.
UM, BUT ANOTHER ONE THAT ALSO WAS DIVERSITY FOCUSED AND THEY POINTED OUT A LOT WAS THAT I WANT TO SAY SLAVEN OR SLAVIN SUCH EVERYONE.
THERE'S 11 SLAVEN SLAVEN SLAVEN MANAGEMENT CONSULTANTS.
UM, AND, AND THEY KIND OF STEPPED OUT TO ME, NOT BECAUSE AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS I WAS READING THROUGH IT, IT W I, IT FELT KIND OF DRY AND KIND OF, UH, JUST KIND OF TO THE POINT.
AND IT WASN'T AS FLOWERY AS SOME OF THE OTHERS, BUT THE CONTENT ITSELF, THEY REALLY DUG INTO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
UM, THEY STOOD OUT, I THINK THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH COULD DO THE JOB.
UM, BUT YEAH, I'D SAY MY TOP TWO WERE SLAVEN AND BAKER, TILLY, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COFFIN ASSOCIATES.
I JUST, IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY HIT FOR ME.
RICHARD, I'LL START THE CONVERSATION FROM THIS END.
I'LL JUST GIVE YOU MY TOP TWO, A BAKER, TILLY AND MANAGEMENT.
SO SOMEBODY KEEPING TRACK ALL THIS.
THANK THINK WE'LL JUST KIND OF RUN WE'RE GOING DOWN.
LIKE I DID LIKE SLAVE AND I DID THINK THEY HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND MINORITY AND WOMEN.
I DO THINK ALL OF THEM HAVE VERY SIMILAR TIMELINES AND I DO LIKE THE BAKER, TILLY.
THEY ALSO REMINDED THE COVID-19 AND THE EMPLOYEE SEARCH, AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT OF THE GUARANTEE.
SO I THINK PROBABLY BAKER, TILLY, I COULD GO WITH THAT.
SO YOU HAD BAKER, TILLY AND SLAVERY AS YOUR TOP TWO? YES.
MARK COFFIN ASSOCIATES WAS MY NUMBER FIVE FOR THE REASONS WE WERE TAUGHT HERE TONIGHT.
UM, MY NUMBER ONE WAS BAKER TILLY.
MY NUMBER TWO WAS SLAVEN MANAGEMENT IN, UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, GLEN'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, THE ONE FOR ME, PRETTY DRY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL MOST, UH, SURGICAL AND, AND HOW THEY ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS.
TILLY STOOD OUT TO ME AS NUMBER ONE.
I THINK THE GAP BETWEEN THEM AND THE OTHERS WERE PRETTY DISTINCT FOR ME, MS. BERTRAM.
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UH, CONFIDENT ASSOCIATES.THE REAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN WAS THEIR STATEMENT THAT SAID PLACE, THEIR PLACEMENT GUARANTEES, UH, THAT, UH, THAT THE, UH, SELECTOR SELECT THE WILL BE A CULTURAL FIT FOR THE CITY OF GREENSBORO.
SO THEIR PROOFREADER GOT A LITTLE, SO ANYWAY, I PICKED UP BAKER, TILLY FIRST AND, UH, GOV HR.
UH, SECOND, BECAUSE, UM, I'M THINKING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USED TO RE RECRUITING WITH PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE A PERMIT EXPERIENCE AND THAT WOULD LESSEN THE LEARNING CURVE FOR SOMEONE THAT COMES IN HERE.
ED, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M FINE WITH ANY OF THE TOP FOUR THAT WERE MENTIONED HERE.
SO IF YOU HAD TO, YOU HAD TO PICK THE TOP TWO, WHO THEY BE JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A CHILEAN SLAVE AND IT SEEMS TO BE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST.
AND ANDY, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY BAKER TILLY AND SLAVING MY TONGUE TOO, SO, OKAY.
DON, WE THINK, OH, LIKE BAKER, TILLY.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT THEY STOOD FAR AND ABOVE THE OTHERS.
UH, I DID LIKE THE, UM, GOV HR AND SLAVE ON AS MY SECOND THIRD IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE, IF WE NEED TO NAIL IT DOWN TO TWO, OR IF WE COULD GO TO THREE, UM, WITH THAT SAME STATEMENT, THERE WERE REFERENCES LISTED ON, UM, I THINK IT WAS GOV HR AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN BAKER TILLY.
I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT THEY LISTED REFERENCES AND SHORT OF HAVING NINE OF US CALLING THE REFERENCES ALARMING.
IF WE'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO SUGGEST THAT OUR, UH, CLERK OF COUNCIL, UM, GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE ROASTED REFERENCES TO GIVE US A GUT FEEL.
UH, I KNOW THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO DEVOLVE SO MUCH, BUT SINCE I TOOK THE TIME TO LIST SOME REFERENCES, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY THAT AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL JUST STEP BACK AND SAY BAKER TILLER WAS, IF WE'RE CHOOSING TO MIND, THAT WOULD BE THE COMPANY I WOULD CHOOSE.
I AGREE WITH, UH, MR. WEBB ABOUT CHECKING REFERENCES, BUT SINCE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF REFERENCES FOR SOME OF THEM, WOULD WE WANT TO FOCUS ON CITIES THAT HAVE A COMPARABLE SIZE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WERE SMALL TOWNS, RIGHT.
UH, IF IN FACT HE ACCEPTS US MISSION, IF YOU CHOOSE TO.
YEAH, WE DID PUT IN THE RFP THAT, UH, REFERENCES WERE TO BE PROVIDED AND I NOTICED A COUPLE OF THEM DID NOT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO DO SO.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, CHECK ON SOME OF THE REFERENCES ONCE WE'VE NARROWED DOWN THE LIST, UH, JUST TO BRING THAT TO THE TABLE AS PART OF THE FULL DISCUSSION.
AND IN ADDITION TO MAYBE INTERVIEWING THE PRINCIPALS FROM THOSE ENTITIES, UM, AS PART OF THAT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT SLAVE AND, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THE, UH, THE COMPANY THAT REACHED OUT TO ME ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER MR. SCHIRMER'S RESIGNATION TO OFFER THEIR SERVICES, EVEN BEFORE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WAS DON.
AND I STAYED KIND OF, UH, IN CONTACT WITH ME THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OF THE RFP.
SO SOMEBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION, RIGHT? WELL, YES, MA'AM.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE YOU AWARE THAT MY NUMBER THREE WAS SLAVEN.
I HAVE NO ISSUES OF, UH, OF SWAPPING THAT TO A, TO A NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE AGAIN, W WHEN YOU, WHEN I WAS STARTING TO GET IN, IN THAT TWO, THREE AND FOUR SLOT, I MEAN, IT W I WAS REALLY NITPICKING.
UM, I THINK EVERYBODY WAS INTO GRANTS ON NUMBER FIVE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S ALMOST INTO GRANTS ON NUMBER ONE, BUT TRYING TO GET TO THAT NUMBER TWO.
I REALLY HAD A TOUGH TIME, BUT, BUT DEFINITELY FOR ME, IT WAS MANAGEMENT AND ENSLAVING.
SO I COULD DEFINITELY SWITCH THOSE UP IF, YOU KNOW, AT THIS, IF YOU NEED A DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND TONY DOES ON KIND OF A TOP TWO BY A MAJORITY, YOU KNOW, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
SO OUR TOP THREE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IN, UH, IN ORDER TO BE BAKER TILLY SLAVEN AND THEN GOV HR.
SO DO WE HAVE, UM, DO WE WANT TO NARROW IT TO THE TWO TO BRING IN THE PRINCIPLES OF TWO? OR DO WE WANNA, DO WE WANNA OPEN IT UP TO THREE OR ENOUGH PEOPLE SATISFIED WITH, UH, WITH BAKER TILLY, THE SLAVE IN THAT, UM, THOSE TWO WOULD BE THE RUBRIC.
SO TONY LET'S, UM, ARRANGE THAT, SEE IF THEY ARE EITHER ZOOM MEETING.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DIDN'T WANT
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TO ADDRESS IS THAT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ON WAY BACK IN THIS PROCESS, HAVING SOME COMMUNITY INPUT AND FEEDBACK.SO BY THE TIME WE GO THROUGH AND ADD IN KIND OF A COMMUNITY PORTION HERE, I THINK THE DISCUSSION TO COME SOON WOULD BE, WHAT TYPE OF INPUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, LIKE A MEET AND GREET AT A TOWN HALL? OR ARE WE GOING TO OPEN UP TO CITIZEN QUESTIONS OF CITIZEN INTERVIEW? I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN HANDLE THAT, THESE, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF EXTENDING, PROBABLY THE TIMELINE FOR, UM, ANY, ANY ONE OF, EITHER ONE OF THESE TWO COMPANIES THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK THAT QUESTION AS PART OF THE INTERVIEW, THESE TWO TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY IN THE PROCESS AND ALLOW THEM TO OFFER SOME SUGGESTIONS? THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE PART OF YOUR INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR THE FIRMS, RICHARD AND MAYOR, JUST A QUICK POINT.
ONE OF MY TOP TWO, I, I, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO A COLLEAGUE OF MINE WITHIN NLC THAT HAS WORKED WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE DONE COMMUNITY THINGS.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO SWAY ANYBODY'S DECISION ON THAT.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT.
UM, SO IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I BELIEVE BOTH COMPANIES WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
SO SEE WHAT THE MOST EFFICIENT AND QUICK WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE THROW ON A PLANE AND BRING THEM HERE WHILE YOU TALK TO THEM.
I MEAN, I THINK ANYTHING THAT WE SPEND IS WORTH THAT INVESTMENT FROM THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PICKING THE RIGHT FIRM, WHO'S GOING TO GET US THE RIGHT CANDIDATE.
UM, OR IF IT'S A, IF IT IS A ZOOM CALL YEAH.
SLAVING, IT'D BE EASIER CAUSE THEY'RE BASED OUT OF CINCINNATI.
SO, OR THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN CINCINNATI.
UM, UH, BAKER TILLY IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, DALLAS AT ST.
PAUL, SO THAT THEY MAY CHOOSE AT THIS STAGE TO BE REMOTE THOUGH.
I IMAGINE AT SOME POINT THEY'D BE ONSITE IF THEY WERE SELECTED.
SO, UH, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WOULD BE, UH, WHEN DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO DO THESE AS PART OF A REGULAR WORK SESSION OR HAVE A SPECIAL WORK SESSIONS TO DO, UH, SPECIFICALLY THESE INTERVIEWS? I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, MY OPINION WOULD BE A SPECIAL WORK SESSION TO, TO DO THIS RATHER THAN ADD IT TO ANOTHER AGENDA, ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AS WE START GETTING INTO, UM, NOVEMBER, AND I MEAN, JUST AS WE START BUILDING UP, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING NOVEMBER, ONE BEING IN DECEMBER.
SO THE SOONER WE CAN ENGAGE, UM, THE BETTER, BUT I THINK, UM, I'M CERTAINLY OKAY WITH, UH, WITH THE SPECIAL WORK SESSION FOR THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
CAN WE PUT OUT THERE WHAT THE TWO, THE TOP TWO COMPANIES GAVE TO US AS COUNCIL ON THE CITY WEBSITE? SO THE RESIDENTS CAN START READING THROUGH HOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT THIS PROCESS FOR TRANSPARENCY.
WOULD THAT BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN OUR PUBLIC EMAIL, BUT LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR A MANAGER.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE TWO COMPANIES WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW.
I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST WITH THAT IS WE DO THAT CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS FORM AFTER EACH MEETING.
SO I LIKE IT LESS THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS FORM.
AND THEN, UM, ALL OF THE PROPOSALS GO THROUGH THE WEBSITE SO ANYONE CAN LOOK AT ANY OF THE BOOKS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.
SO YOU'RE TELLING TINY, WE'LL JUST LOOK TO YOU TO GET BACK TO US ON WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE AND HOW SOON, UM, WE NEED TO SEE YOU GUYS ARE GIVING ME QUITE A LIST AND RIGHT BEFORE VACATION, POOR GUY.
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OKAY.NEXT UP IS, UH, THE FINAL, UH, AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS ITEM THREE V, WHICH IS THE US CENSUS WARD REDISTRICTING.
SO THIS EVENING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE, UM, THE CENSUS DATA HAS BEEN OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE FINAL STUFF HAS BEEN, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU'VE GOT ANY OF THE DRILL DOWN DATA BEYOND THAT WE STILL HAVEN'T MISALIGNED THE PRECINCT LEVEL.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ALL THAT YET.
SO THE BASIC CONCEPT HERE IS THAT WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BY CHARTER OUR, UH, THE SIX WARDS WE HAVE IN THE CITY ARE REQUIRED TO BE, UH, AS EQUAL POPULATION AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE KNOW WE'VE EXPERIENCED SOME GROWTH IN WORD ONE, WE'VE EXPERIENCED SOME GROWTH ON WORD SIX, WE'VE EXPERIENCED SOME GROWTH ON WORD TWO.
AND WHEN YOU ADD 5,300 PEOPLE TO SIX WARDS, EACH WARD IS PROBABLY GOING TO GROW BY CLOSE TO A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
SO INSTEAD OF SERVICING, YOU KNOW, 6,000 PEOPLES AND BE CLOSE TO SEVEN 60 THREES, NOW IT'LL BE 70, YOU KNOW, 75, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THOSE WARD LINES TO INCORPORATE, UM, THE CHARTER RULE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, KIND OF JUST TO START THIS
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CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO START HAPPENING SOON FROM COUNCIL.AND AS TONY STARTS TO TRY TO PUT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER, WHEN WE GET THE MORE DRILLED DOWN DATA.
UM, I THINK THE PROCESS, I GUESS I'M TELLING YOU, CAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST ONE.
SO JUST TELL US KIND OF WHAT THAT PROCESS WAS, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, HOW IT HAPPENED.
UM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THERE WOULD BE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD BE PASSED BY ALL OF COUNCIL TO, TO ACCEPT THOSE NEW WARD OR DISTRICT LINES.
GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS GET WITHIN A 5% DISTRIBUTION OF EQUALITY IN POPULATION BETWEEN THE, UH, THE SIX WARDS.
UM, WHAT WAS DONE 10 YEARS AGO WAS, UM, ONCE WE HAD THE CENSUS THAT DRILL DOWN DATA THAT ACTUALLY TOLD YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BY PRECINCT AND NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK WITHIN THE WARDS AND, UM, LOOK AT THESE LITTLE POCKETS OF INDIVIDUAL PRECINCTS WITH POPULATION BY POPULATION.
SO LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S X NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITHIN THIS AREA OR IN THIS BUBBLE, UH, WITHIN EACH WARD.
AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO START LOOKING AT HOW WE WOULD SHIFT TO BRING THAT EQUALITY OR RELATIVE EQUALITY BETWEEN THE VARIOUS WARDS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GROWTH IN HIGHER LEVELS AND IT'S SPECIFIC WARDS SPECIFICALLY WERE TO, UH, WE SAW SOME GROWTH LAST TIME IN WARTS SIX AND WARD ONE.
UM, AND THEN PRETTY MUCH THE OTHER THREE AWARDS WERE EITHER, UH, PRETTY CONSISTENT OR HAD DROPPED SLIGHTLY.
UM, THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WHEN WE'RE, UH, REDRAWING THESE LINES, AS YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO BE CONTINUOUS.
SO, UM, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING AN EXCESS AMOUNT OF POPULATION AND WAR TWO AT THE TOP OF THE MAP, UM, IN ORDER TO BRING ABOUT THAT EQUAL DISTRIBUTION, YOU'RE BASICALLY SHIFTING THE LINES OF ALL THE WARDS BECAUSE YOU'RE PUSHING THAT POPULATION DOWN TO THE SOUTH OR IN SOME CASES TO THE EASTERN WEST TO BRING ABOUT THAT EQUAL DISTRIBUTION.
UM, THERE ARE SOME OBVIOUS AREAS WHERE WE PROBABLY LOOK TO CORRECT, UH, SOME OF THE WARDS, UM, 10 YEARS AGO, UH, WE HAD A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER AND WARREN WHO WAS IN THAT POCKET THAT EXISTS IN WAR II.
AND WE HAD W I SHOULDN'T SAY WE, BUT COUNCIL HAD MADE A DECISION AT THAT POINT THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO, UH, DRAW ANY SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER OUT OF THEIR EXISTING SEAT.
SO, UH, THAT ACCOUNTED FOR THAT POCKET THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN WAR.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE AN EASY WAY TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE POPULATION MORE TO, BY SLICING THAT OFF, PUSHING IN AT DOOR THREE, AND THEN MOVING THAT POPULATION DOWN.
UM, GENERALLY WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO, UH, USE AS BOUNDARY LINES, MAJOR, UH, UH, THOROUGHFARES OR OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SPECIAL POINTS IN THE CITY THAT WOULD CLEARLY DEFINE THE, THE LINES OF THOSE WORDS OR MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO DISTINGUISH WHICH WARD THEY'RE IN JUST BY LOOKING EASILY AT A MAP.
SO, UM, A LOT OF IT IS, UM, SOME TACTICAL, UM, ASPECTS.
WE USE OUR GIS PEOPLE TO HELP ASSIST IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S MOVING THOSE GIS POCKETS OF POPULATION AROUND WITH AN INCH, AND THEN SEEING HOW IT RECALCULATES IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS AND, UH, INFORMING THAT.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST WE FOLLOW A SIMILAR PROCESS, UM, THAT WE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT DRILL DOWN DATA, I WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE GIS PEOPLE, UH, COME BACK WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, GENERAL PROPOSALS OF WHERE THE SHIFTS NEED TO OCCUR AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THE NINE OF YOU TO FIGHT IT OUT OVER HOW THE FINAL LINES ACTUALLY GET DRAWN AND, AND DETERMINED.
AND THEN AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THOSE WOULD BE ADOPTED BY LEGISLATION AND THE GOAL WOULD BE TO DO THIS BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
I ALSO HEARD FROM, UH, UH, THROUGH SCOTT, THE MIAMI BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAD REACHED OUT AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE THAT WE HAVE HIGHER POPULATION AND A WAR TWO.
UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME REARRANGING OF THE PRECINCTS AND THE MIAMI COUNTY PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES OF POPULATION.
UM, SO I'VE ALREADY COMMUNICATED WITH THE BOARDS OF ELECTION AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHATEVER'S DECIDED IT GETS CONVEYED TO THEM BECAUSE THAT DETERMINES, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW YOUR PRECINCTS ARE SET UP FOR VOTING WHEN THEY'RE ELECTING THEIR WARD REPRESENTATIVES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
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OKAY.THAT'S A SMALL CHURCH WAY UP THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
SO THE PURPOSE FOR THIS, UH, ON THE AGENDA NIGHT WAS BASICALLY JUST TO BRING UP THE DISCUSSION FOR HOW THIS PROCESS WOULD, WOULD GO, THAT WE COULD ALL AGREE TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION.
AND IF ANYBODY STARTS ASKING WHAT THIS IS, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT, AND WE'VE AT LEAST STARTED THE CONVERSATION, PREPARING PEOPLE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE THAN LIKELY ARE GOING TO BE SOME MORE CHANGES AND THEY MAY END UP IN A DIFFERENT WORD THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN.
NANCY, DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE WHEN THE DRILL DOWN INFORMATION IS DUE? THAT THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.
WELL, USUALLY ALL OF THE CENSUS INFORMATION WE HAVE MUCH EARLIER THAN EVEN WE GOT THE OVERALL CENSUS INFORMATION.
SO THINGS HAVE BEEN DELAYED BY COVID.
THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ARGUMENTS AT THE INITIAL STAGES ABOUT HOW THE CENSUS WAS GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE GOING TO BE ASKED, BUT THE LIGHT THINGS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WE, UH, WE ARE BEHIND WHERE WE WOULD NORMALLY BE IN TERMS OF RECEIPT OF THE SENTENCE.
IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED, UM, ON WHAT THAT, UH, SCHEDULE IS, AND THEN PERTINENT THING IS THAT, UM, IT, IT HAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED SO THAT THE NEW DISTRICTS ARE EFFECTIVE FOR THE, UH, SPRING ELECTION FOR THE PRIMARY.
NO, FOR THE PRIMARY PRIMARY, THERE WAS A SECTION THAT JERRY SENT TO ME ON THE OHIO REVISED CODE THAT I PUT IN THE PACKET ON THIS TOPIC.
AND, UH, THE, UH, THE GUIDELINE IS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE BY THE 1ST OF JANUARY FOR NEXT YEAR BASED ON IT.
AND THEN, UH, YEAH, SO THE MAY PRIMARY, OR IF THERE WAS A SPECIAL ELECTION, I GUESS, HELD BEFORE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT IT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE END AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO KNOW OUR MILESTONES.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PART OF THE PROCESS THAT ONCE IT'S ADOPTED, IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN INTO METES AND BOUNDS.
IS THAT THE CORRECT TERMS, UH, UH, WHICH BASICALLY DESCRIBES EVERY LINE IN METES AND BOUNDS, UH, IN A VERY DESCRIPTIVE WAY.
IF YOU LOOK IN OUR CURRENT, UH, CITY CODE, UM, THERE'S PAGES AND PAGES OF THAT MEETS THE BOUNDS OF THE, UH, VARIOUS WARD.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
JUST TO NOTE THAT ON CENSUS.GOV IT'S, UM, SEPTEMBER 30TH FOR A, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THE USABLE, UM, DATA ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, UM, THE BIG DUMP IS OUT THERE.
IN FACT, MCRPC JUST SENT OUT AN EMAIL BLAST THAT, UM, THEY'VE GOT THE RAW DATA, BUT IT'S A LOT TO SIFT THROUGH OR SIFTING THROUGH IT.
BUT THE SEPTEMBER 30TH IS THE ONE WE SHOULD SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK A, UM, AN INTERESTING QUESTION, UH, JERRY, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, BECAUSE OF A DELAY IN THE DATA, THE PRECINCT INFORMATION, SO ON AND SO FORTH, COVID, UH, HURRICANE TORNADO THAT WE DON'T MEET THE CHARTER REQUIREMENTS BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
GOOD JOBS GOT RANDOM PUNK DARTS.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, THE SITUATION IS WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND RIGHT NOW AND, YOU KNOW, CALLING HER STUDENTS, I THINK MOST OF IT'S DEFINED THROUGH THE REVISED CODE.
I THINK OUR CHARGES TALKS ABOUT EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF POPULATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOT ONE TO DO IT.
IT IS NINE 17 SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER.