[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road August 24, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]
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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. HERE, MISS OFF HERE, MS. THOMAS HERE, MS. VARGO HERE MR. WALL.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HEARING.
NONE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
A WITNESS SAYS, I ANNOUNCED IN THE CORDS WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TO SEE ME NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND TO I DO TO THE FOLLOWING.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
ALSO ASK ANYONE THAT DOES COME UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT, UH, TO SIGN IN ON THE SIGN AND SIGN IN SHEET PROVIDED AND STATE THEIR NAME, NAME ONLY THE NAME OF WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS AS A FINAL PLAT, THE APPLICANT CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION THREE, PHASE TWO, A WINDBROOK ZONING CASE 21 DASH 27.
UH, SO THE FIRST CASE TONIGHT, THE FINAL PLAT FOR WINDBROOK SECTION THREE, PHASE TWO, WHEN BROOKE, AS YOU KNOW, IS LOCATED AT THE EXTREME NORTH END OF THE CITY THAT, UH, FRONT SOUTH ON TO ROUTE 40 AND IS JUST NORTH OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS SUBDIVISION.
UH, THIS IS THE FINAL SECTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF WINDBROOK, UM, THAT, UH, HAS, UH, THE, AS I SAID, THE SECTION THREE PHASE TWO, SECTION THREE, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, CAME, UH, EARLY 2020 AND THEN IT WAS SPLIT INTO TWO PHASES FOR THE FINAL PLAT.
SO THE, UH, SECTION THREE PHASE TWO HAS 25 PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY LINES, AND THE LOTS DO MEET THE MINIMUM DIMENSIONAL AND AREA REQUIREMENTS OF THAT 2005 BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONDITION, SO APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN THIS DESPLAT ALSO WILL DEDICATE THE STREETS, THE EASEMENTS FOR THE UTILITIES AND AS ALL THE PROPER SETBACKS ON IT.
THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE OF THE THIRD SECTION, UH, WHICH CONTINUES THAT GROWTH TO THE WEST SIDE OF CENTER STREET.
UM, THIS, THESE LOTS ARE 70 FOOT MINIMUM WIDTHS, 20 FOOT MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK, FIVE FOOT SIDE YARDS AND 30 FOOT REAR YARDS, EXCEPT FOR ONE LOT, UH, ON THE VERY NORTH END, THE LAW THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING LOT, UM, THAT HAD, UH, APPROVED THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS THAT IT HAS A, UH, TOTAL SIDE YARD BETWEEN THOSE TWO, LOTS OF 15 FEET.
SO FIVE MINIMUM, TOTAL OF 15, WHICH MEANS A ONE LOCK COULD HAVE A 10 YARD, 10 FOOT IN ONE COULD HAVE FIVE, OR IT COULD BE SEVEN AND A HALF, SEVEN AND A HALF AS LONG AS IT'S 15 FEET IN BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY LOT IN, UH, THIS PHASE THAT HAS, UH, THAT RESTRICTION THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED, UH, THROUGH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE AND, UH, THE APPLICANTS AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF HEARING NON-WOVEN FROM THE PUBLIC? IS THERE ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT AND CONWAY CARRIAGE TRAILS? GOOD EVENING.
UH, LIKE SCOTT SAID, THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF WINDBROOK SO REAL QUICK, I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY OF WHAT TRANSPIRED HERE.
THE CITY BOUGHT THIS AND SCOTT CAN HELP ME SIX YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO AS LONGER NET EIGHT OR NINE YEARS.
THERE YOU GO, UH, FOR THE WATER TOWER.
SO THE CITY NEEDED TO PUT A WATER TOWER UP NORTH, UH, TO SERVICE CARRIAGE TRAILS AND EVERYBODY BY CARRIE'S CHARLES IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH OF CARRIAGE TRAILS HAD IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UH, IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN ANTICIPATED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CAME TO US AND SAID, LOOK, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO YOU GUYS HAD A TARGET OF WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO GET OUT OF IT, UH, AND TAKE THAT MONEY AND REINVEST IT INTO OTHER THINGS IN THE CITY THAT THE CITY WAS DOING.
SO WE WORKED, UH, WITH STAFF AND THROUGH COUNCIL TO TAKE IT
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DOWN IN PHASES, WORK WITH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ON IT, TO GET THE CITY, THAT PRICE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.SO WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE THIS BE THE FINAL PIECE OF THAT.
WE ACTUALLY CLOSED ON EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL TWO MONTHS AGO, AND JUST ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL PROJECT FOR OUR JOINT PARTNERSHIP WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, NOTHING REALLY TO ADD TO WHAT SCOTT SAID ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I WILL SAY THAT SINCE I SAW YOU TWO WEEKS AGO, WE SOLD 10 HOMES AND CARRIAGE TRAILS.
SO THE NEW MAGIC NUMBER IS 1270 AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT LOTS FOR PAVING A HUNDRED LOTS TOMORROW.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY HAVE SOLD SIGNS ON THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE AND HEARING NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC SECTION, THIS ZONING CASE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY COURT ORDER DEVELOPMENT, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR SECTION THREE, PHASE TWO OF THE MYTH OF THE WINDBROOK DEVELOPMENT ZONING CASE 21 DASH 27 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, EXCUSE ME, OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2021, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TOO.
MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES SECOND BY MS. BARGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, AS PER THE, UH, DECISION RECORD, THERE'S NEEDS TO BE THE NOTATION ABOUT THAT SIDE YARD, UH, THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, ON THE PLATS AND THEN THEY CAN FINALIZE ALL THE SIGNATURES AND RECORD IT.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 7.533 ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ZONING CASE 21 DASH 24.
SO THIS IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S, UH, BIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UM, AS, UH, SO, UH, THE, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR A MULTI-USE PROJECTS.
SO THAT MULTI-USE PROJECT HAS A SECTION OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THIS SITE.
AND THEN THE MULTI-FAMILY PORTION, WHICH IS AT THE NORTHEAST SECTION OF THIS SITE.
SO THIS, UH, EACH OF THESE IS GOING TO COME THROUGH AS SEPARATE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
THE NEXT THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT ARE ALL RELATED, UH, BUT HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE, UM, APPROVAL PROCESSES.
SO, UM, THE WAY THIS IS SET UP IS, UH, SO THIS ONE IS FOR, AS I SAID, THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION, THE NEXT ONE ON THE AGENDA IS FOR THE, UH, INTERIOR STREETS AND UTILITY NETWORK FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND THEN THERE'S A PLANT PORTION.
THAT'S, UH, THE THIRD PART OF THIS, THAT DEDICATES SOME RIGHT AWAY AND SETS UP EASEMENTS, UH, ACCESS EASEMENTS, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS THE PROPERTY DEVELOPS, UH, THIS ALSO THAT, UH, PLANT ALSO SETS UP INDIVIDUAL LOTS FOR THAT COMMERCIAL PORTION.
UH, SO EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WILL COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IT ON ITS OWN.
SO AS THAT IS SPLITS, UM, SO EACH TYPE OF USER WILL COME BACK AND HAVE A SEPARATE APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AND AS A SPORT THAT, UH, UM, AND, AND, AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE ALL RELATED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE CAN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES TO MAKE THIS WORK.
SO, UM, THE, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION.
SO WHEN YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS, UH, THE EXISTING SITE.
SO THERE IS HEBA ROAD COMES BACK TO A CALL TO SACK AND DEAD ENDS AND THEN HAS A VACANT AREA AROUND IT.
THAT IS THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FIRST, UH, WITH THIS MULTIFAMILY PORTION.
SO FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, HUBER ROAD WILL NEED TO BE VACATED, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD, UH, THESE MULTIFAMILY UNITS FOR A VACATION OF A ROADWAY.
THE, UH, TYPICALLY HOW THIS WORKS IS
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WHEN THE STREET IS VACATED BY THE CITY, THE CITY, UM, IS WE'LL SAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, APPROVE THAT HALF OF THE ROAD GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON ONE SIDE, HALF OF THE ROAD GOES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, IN THIS CASE, THIS BACK AREA, IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER.SO THE WHOLE PROPERTY, UH, ON, ON THIS BACK PORTION GOES TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
THE PLAN ITSELF, UM, IS WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN GRAY IS THE DRIVE NETWORK.
SO THERE'S ONE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT COMES OFF OF, UM, UH, THE INTERIOR DRIVE NETWORK THAT IS ON THE NEXT CASE.
UM, BUT IT'S DIRECTLY STRAIGHT OFF OF THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE.
THERE'S ALSO THE DRIVE THAT GOES DOWN AND CONNECTS INTO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD FOR THAT DIRECT CONNECTION.
UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, THE PART OF IT, YOU MAY BE SAYING, WAIT A SECOND, THAT'S ONE ENTRANCE, THERE IS A FIRE ENTRANCE AS WELL.
THAT IS IT'S, IT'S NOT SHADED, UH, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THE GRASS PAVERS.
I AM BUILT TO THE, TO BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE WEIGHT OF THE FIRE TRUCKS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT IS LOCATED, UM, CLOSER TO WHERE HUBER ROAD IS NOW.
SO DIRECTLY NORTH OF THAT MAIN ENTRANCE ITSELF.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE ACCESS TO THIS SITE THAT'S COMES IN, UM, WAS KIND OF LIKE THAT BOULEVARD ENTRANCE THAT COMES OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE.
OH, TROY PIKE IS BEING, UH, IMPROVED, UH, WITH A WIDENED SECTION.
TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IS BEING IMPROVED WITH A WIDENED SECTION.
AND THEN THERE'S THE INTERIOR, UH, STREET NETWORK WITHIN THIS THAT'S GETS BACK TO THIS AREA.
UH, ONCE YOU GET BACK INTO THIS AREA, IT'S KIND OF A GRID PATTERN AROUND THESE BUILDINGS.
AND, UH, THAT DOES HAVE, UH, THE, UH, UH, SIX BUILDINGS PLUS THEN A CLUBHOUSE AND POOL AREA AND A FENCED IN DOG PARK AREA.
UH, THERE ARE TWO DUMPSTER, UH, LOCATIONS THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE END OF TWO OF THOSE, UH, DRIVE ISLES.
AND, UH, THEY ALSO WILL HAVE, UH, A MASONRY MATERIAL THAT DOES MATCH THE, UH, THE OTHER BUILDINGS AS OUR CODE STATES.
SO, UM, THE SITE ITSELF, UM, IS FOR PARKING THERE'S 280 PARKING SPACES BEING PROVIDED THAT EXCEEDS THE AMOUNT APPROVED THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM.
11 ADA SPACES ARE PROVIDED, WHICH EXCEEDS THE CODE REQUIREMENT OF SEVEN ADA SPACES.
UM, THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR 192 UNITS, THIS MATCHES WHAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, THIS IS SPLIT INTO 121 BEDROOM UNITS AND 72, 2 BEDROOM UNITS.
THE BUILDINGS ARE THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS.
I WON'T SKIP AHEAD TO THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
UM, SO THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS DESIGNED TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MASONRY MATERIALS, WHICH AS APPROVED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED TWO DIFFERENT COLOR HARDY PLANK, LAP SIDING, HARDY'S SHINGLES SIDING, GRAY BRICK, SANTA FE, FE BRICK AND ROCK CAST, SMOOTH STONE, AND THEN ASPHALT SHINGLES ARE BEING USED ON ALL BUILDINGS.
UM, THE NEEDS MATERIALS, AS I MENTIONED, MEET THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE PACKAGE OF EACH OF THOSE MATERIALS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT, THAT PROCESS.
UM, SO THERE'S A, THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS ARE THE, UH, THE SIZE AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU HAVE, THE, THE LARGER UNITS.
AND THEN THE, UM, THE, THE SMALLER BUILDINGS THERE THAT'S, UH, GO AROUND.
AS I MENTIONED IN THAT GRID PATTERN, WHAT'S THE ONE STORY WHEN THOSE THINGS WERE ON, UH, UH, THE ONE STORY THAT'S THE CLUBHOUSE.
SO THE CLUBHOUSE HERE THERE IS THAT ALSO HAS THE SAME MATERIALS.
AND THEN THE GARAGE IS, WILL HAVE THE EAL, SO THE SAME MATERIALS AS THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
SO THEY ARE, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TWO GARAGE UNITS IN THAT CENTER AREA.
WHAT WERE, UH, UH, ALL OF IT THAT, UH, HAS A COUPLE OF, UH, UH, INTERIOR PARKING SPACES FOR THE UNITS.
AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT PARKING COUNTS UTILITIES.
UH, SO THERE THE EXISTING, UM, STORMWATER DETENTION POND THAT IS LOCATED DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS, SO THEY WILL BE COLLECTING THE WATER INTO
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THE STORM SEWER NETWORK AND TRAINING INTO THAT EXISTING POND.UH, THE SANITARY SEWER WILL CONNECT INTO THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROPERTY.
THERE IS A CONNECTION THAT GOES OUT TO OLD TROY PIKE, AND THEN ALSO COMES IN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY'LL CONNECT INTO WATER ON THIS SITE.
UH, ALSO THAT DOES, UH, UM, AS LOCATED OUT AT THE STREET RIGHT OF WAYS, AND DOES COME THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL, UH, FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY PORTION OF THIS, UH, THERE IS A MASTER METER FOR THE DOMESTIC.
SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE PARK VIEW APARTMENTS WHEN IT CAME THROUGH, THAT'S THE, UH, THERE'S A MASTER METER, UH, UP FRONT.
AND THEN ALL OF THE DOMESTIC LINES THAT GO IN TO THE, UH, APARTMENT AREA WOULD BE PRIVATE LINES.
AND THEN THE, FOR THE FIRE LINES, THOSE ARE PUBLIC.
SO THAT'S A SEPARATE LINE THAT GOES THROUGH FOR THE, UH, THE FIRE LINES, WITH THE FIRE HYDRANTS THAT GO ALONG EACH BUILDING AND HAVE, UH, THE PROPER SPACE SCENE OF THE EVERY 300 FEET FOR, UM, FIRE HYDRANTS AS PER THE FIRE CODE.
SO LANDSCAPING, UM, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING, UM, IT'S A COMBINATION OF EVERGREEN SHADE AND ORNAMENTAL TREES, SHRUBS, AND PERENNIALS GRASSES, GROUND COVER, AND THE PLAN MIXED USE DISTRICTS, A MAXIMUM OF 75% IMPERVIOUS AREAS ALLOWED THIS PROPOSAL MEETS THAT SORT OF REQUIREMENTS, UM, LIGHTING FOLLOW THESE, UH, STANDARD CITY, UH, CODE, UM, FOR THE, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE FIXTURES AND, UM, ANY OF THE SPILLAGE ONTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AS YOU SEE WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, THIS IS HEAVILY LANDSCAPES.
UH, THERE IS A BUFFERING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES WITH THIS.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A VERY WELL LANDSCAPED SITE ITSELF, UM, AS OKAY.
UM, GOING THROUGH THE, UH, DECISION RECORDS.
SO, UM, LAY THE, THE ITEMS ON THERE ARE, UH, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ZONING PERMITS, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS ALL FIRE AND ENGINEERING COMMENTS AND THE, UH, UH, NUMBER THREE, IF YOU COULD MODIFY THAT.
I SEE HERE, IT SAYS THE TRASH COMPACTOR AND BULK STORAGE AREA THAT SHOULD JUST BE TRASH ENCLOSURE AREA.
AND THEN, UH, ALL TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ON OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD DESCRIBED IN WHAT'S ACTUALLY THE NEXT CASE SHALL BE COMPLETE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FINAL FOR ANY BUILDING WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS ALSO A PROPOSED ITEM IN THE DECISION RECORD.
UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS IT WENT THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL THAT, UH, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAPPEN TO BE IN FOR ANY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD.
SO, UM, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFRIES, UH, HOW MANY GARAGE LOCATIONS WERE THERE AS FAR AS SPACES, AND YOU SAID THAT THE 280 PARKING SPACES INCLUDES THAT, OR DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.
I THINK GARAGE SPACES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER OF SPACES, WHICH, UH, IS IN THE 280 PARKING SPACES.
THOSE GARAGE SPACES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER, UM, AND THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, I'M NOT CONCERNED BECAUSE IN APARTMENTS, IF YOU HAVE GARAGES, THEY DON'T ALWAYS USE THEM FOR PARKING.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE STORAGE UNIT.
UM, THERE ARE 32 GARAGE SPACES AND, UM, THE REQUIRED PARKING IS 264, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 280.
WHERE'S THE REQUIRED 2 64, BECAUSE THEN THE 2 64, IT'S BY THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. BUT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JUNE WITH COUNCIL, THEY WERE TOLD THAT CHAPTER 1185 REQUIRED TWO PER DWELLING.
THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS TWO PER DWELLING, ACCORDING TO THE CODE, WHICH IS 384,
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THE, THE ORDINANCE PASSED IS THE, UH, THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.WHAT IS THE CITY CODE FOR MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING? I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IF WE'RE CAUSE IT'S GIVE OR TAKE A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES, HAVE AN EXCEPTION COMPARED TO THE CODE.
AND IT'S THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING THAT IT'S AN EXCEPTION BEING ASKED FOR WHICH OF THIS.
UH, THIS, THIS IS, UH, THIS WAS DISCUSSED THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
AND, UM, AS A PMD, THAT'S, IT'S ABLE TO BE APPROVED DIFFERENT THAN NO, NOT REALLY.
THE ONLY TIME I REMEMBER THE PARKING BEING BROUGHT UP WAS THAT THEY REMODELING ONE PER BEDROOM.
BUT WHENEVER WE ASKED ABOUT SPECIFIC SPIRIT TOLD VERY CLEARLY THAT THIS WAS CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE JUNE 14TH PUBLIC HEARING BOOK THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
AND LIKE SCOTT
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFREY'S GOT A LIST.
DO WE JUST, IF SOME OF THIS OVERLAPS, OBVIOUSLY IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE OTHER CASE, BUT SO BACK AT THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT GOT VOTED, NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ROAD COMING ALL THE WAY FROM TAYLORSVILLE SHOOTING INTO THE, THEN WHEN IT CAME BACK, WE HAD THAT ROAD IN THERE THAT WE SAID WAS THERE TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND FLOW IN THE BACK.
AND NOW THAT ROAD'S GONE, IS THERE A REASON WE TOOK THAT ROAD OUT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE ACCESS SAFETY ROAD IS STILL GOING TO BE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE ALL AGREED WAS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
AND NOW THAT WE'RE AT THE DETAILED STAGE, IT'S GONE.
SO ONE THING AS WAS DISCUSSED IS THAT THERE BE A MAIN DRIVE OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER AS WELL, UM, AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING AND WHEN THEY WENT BACK FOR A ACTUAL DESIGN, THAT AREA BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE POND BACK THERE IS NOT STRUCTURALLY STABLE.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BUILT ON IN THAT AREA.
UM, WITH THAT, WE'LL CALL IT THE CLIFF AT THE EDGE OF, UH, THAT, THAT POND.
SO THIS PLAN DOES SHOW THE, UM, THE MAIN DRIVE THAT DOES GO DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AS PART OF, IS THAT THE SAME ACCESS ROAD THOUGH, THAT WOULD BE THE EMERGENCY ROUTE IN, FOR THE FIRETRUCK OR WHERE, WHERE IS THAT GOING? NO.
AND IF YOU FLIP THROUGH YOUR DRAWINGS, THEY DID SHOW A FIRETRUCK DRAWING ABOUT HOW THEY
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CAN MAKE THE, ALL THE TURNS.UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THIS PLAN ON THE SCREEN, UM, IT'S JUST, UH, THE NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT AND THAT ACCESS DRIVE IS, UH, TO THE NORTH OR TO THE RIGHTS OF THAT MAIN ENTRANCE.
IS IT CLEAR AREA?
NO, JOHN HERE IS THE OVERALL STREET NETWORK INSIDE.
SO, UM, UH, THERE'S OTHER CONNECTIONS THAT, UH, GO THROUGH AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE INTERIOR OF EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT AS IT COMES AS WELL.
CAN YOU POINT OUT THE EMERGENCY EXIT PLACE WALK UP THERE THAT COMES OFF HERE INTO THE AREA? AND THEN RIGHT HERE IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT CONNECTIONS IN OTHER DIRECTIONS AS WELL.
I JUST QUESTIONED THAT HAVING THE TWO EXITS, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCES FOR FIRE BEING SIDE BY SIDE LIKE THAT.
UM, TO ME THAT DOESN'T SOUND REAL SAFE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT A BLOCK BLOCK, YOU KNOW, INTERIORLY, UM, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BLOCK BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID REVIEW THIS AND, UH, THEIR COMMENTS WERE BASED ON MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THAT CAN CARRY THE WEIGHT.
UM, BUT THE LOCATION, THEY WERE OKAY WITH MARGO.
YOU'LL SEE OTHER PORTIONS OF THIS.
I WOULD KINDA LIKE SOME, I I'LL WAIT UNTIL MR. JEFFRIES, THE FIRE ENTRANCE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE IS THAT THE ACTUAL FINAL LOCATION, BECAUSE IN THE FIRE REPORT, IT SAYS THAT THE SECONDARY ACCESS HAS SHOWN IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
FINAL WILL BE RESUBMITTED BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF, UH, I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWED IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
THAT WAS WHAT THAT COMMENT WAS ABOUT.
SO THE, UM, THE ACTUAL, UM, DISCUSSION IS FROM THE STANDARD SITE PLAN.
I HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE REVIEWER.
SO WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE TARGET IS.
THAT MEAN GIVE OR TAKE THE ANGLE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF UP TO THE PUBLIC? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
IT'S MATT CANTERBURY, PRESIDENT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AS ALWAYS.
GREAT SEEING YOU, UM, APPRECIATE THE STAFF REPORT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN.
UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS SPECIFICALLY TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, HAPPILY, UM, REGARDING THE PARKING, UM, AMOUNT.
THEY, UH, WE HAVE NOT DETERRED FROM THE PARKING CALCULATION FROM THE VERY FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU, NOR HAS IT DETERRED FROM COUNCIL WITH THIS SLIDE EXPECTATIONS, EXCEPTIONS, RATHER HAVE, IF I COULD POINT, IF YOU LOOK DUE NORTH OF THE CLUBHOUSE, THERE IS A SMALL STRIP OF PARKING THAT THOSE SPACES ACTUALLY MAKE UP THE DIFFERENTIAL FOR WHEN WE ADDED THE GARAGES, THEIR GARAGES TOOK A PROPORTIONAL AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT WERE ADDED BACK INTO THE PLAN.
SO OUR PARKING SCHEME, AS PART OF THIS PUD, WHICH AS HAS BEEN NOTED, UM, IS, UM, AN EXCEPTION TO THE CODE AS A PUD CAN BE VERSUS THE STANDARD CODE HAS SHOWN THIS CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
UM, SO I WANT TO KNOW THAT NOTE THAT, UH, ASIDE FROM THAT, UM, WE DID HAVE A VERY GOOD COORDINATION MEETING WITH,
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UH, FIRE AND ENGINEERING JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.AND WITH THAT, WE DISCUSS NOT ONLY THE PATHWAYS IN AND OUT OF THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO DISCUSSED THE PROPER ACCESS IN, UM, RESPECTFULLY.
UM, MR.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT PLACE, WE HAVE CORRESPONDENCE WITH FIRE, UM, AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK THAT HAS ACCEPTED THE TURNING RADIUS AND EVERYTHING IS PREPARED BY OUR ENGINEER FOR THAT TO SHOW THE SAME ACCESS POINT FROM THE OUTSIDE ROAD SYSTEM, BUT ANGLING IN AT THAT ANGLE.
SO THAT IS WHAT IT'S APPROVED BY FIRE.
AND THAT IS THE REVISION BY WHICH YOU WILL SEE TO THIS PLAN AS PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED PRIOR TO ACCEPTANCE, NOT OF THIS BODY, BUT OF THEM IS WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WITH THAT ANGLED, THE, UM, THEY ACTUALLY JOINED TOGETHER, THE TWO ENTRANCE POINTS ACTUALLY JOINED TOGETHER, CORRECT BEFORE GETTING INTO THE COMPLEX ITSELF.
WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM IN THAT CONVERSATION WAS THAT WHERE IT HIT THE EXTERIOR NETWORK OF ROAD, THAT IT WAS IN FACT DIFFERENT.
AND THAT WAS PART OF A VERY SUCCESSFUL MEETING WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, OH, A METERING AS AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FOR, AND WITH, I BELIEVE THREE REPRESENTATIVES IN FRONT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE ROOM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I COULD ANSWER? DO YOU SHOW WHERE MAILBOXES WILL BE, UH, MAILBOXES AS DISCUSSED WITH THAT GROUP ARE GOING TO BE IN EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING UNDERNEATH THE BREEZEWAYS SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD ZOOM IN, BUT EACH OF THOSE BLOCKS HAS A BREEZEWAY OR A WALKWAY IN THE MIDDLE, SIMILAR TO MINI THREE-STORY WALK-UPS AND EACH OF THE PODS HAVE FOUR UNITS OR EIGHT UNITS.
AND RATHER THAN COME OUT ON THOSE WE'LL HAVE MAILBOXES AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
A PACKAGE ROOM WILL BE AT THE MAIN COMMUNITY ROOM INSIDE THE BUILDING, IF THAT IS CORRECT.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, THE CLUBHOUSE.
IT APPEARS THAT THE MAP THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SEE THE BLUMHOUSE FROM, UM, FROM ULTRA VITALS? YES, YOU WILL.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD WORD PRODUCT, BUT NOT MUCH SO PLAIN, TO ME, IT LOOKED LIKE A HOUSE OR EVEN A GARAGE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS ELEVATION IT'S A LITTLE GREAT OUT ON THE SCREEN.
CERTAINLY IT'S JUST DOING ANY OF THE MATERIALS, THE JUSTICE THAT WE, WE BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT WITH THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENT AND THE SIGN THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF THAT, I THINK THE BUILDING WILL, WILL SHOW RELATIVELY MORE REGAL THAN WHAT THIS GREAT ALBUM SCREEN IS SHOWING IT AS IT'S JUST, WHEN I SAW THOSE, THAT WAS A REALLY, I MEAN, IT CAUGHT MY EYE RIGHT AWAY THAT THAT BEING YOUR ADVANTAGE TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NICER, IT'S POSSIBLE, THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE CLUBHOUSE IS VERY HEAVILY LANDSCAPED.
SO THERE'S THAT HE MAY NOT SEE THE LANDSCAPING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH A RETAIL COMPLEX.
AND WHAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DRIVE IN IS A HEAVILY LANDSCAPED DRIVE THAT WOULD GIVE IT MORE RESPITE.
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUSY-NESS, YOU'VE ARRIVED AT THIS PLACE OF MORE RESPITE AND CALM AS YOU MAY ENTER INTO YOUR UNIT IS THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROACHING THIS PROJECT.
ONE IS, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING, UM, IN THAT AREA.
UM, IS THERE ANY TREES THAT YOU WILL BE KEEPING? I MEAN, ARE YOU TRYING TO KEEP SOME OF THE TREES THAT MIGHT BE IN THERE? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AREA, BUT I KNOW PART OF THAT BIG COMPLEX, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF BIG TREES.
WE WE'VE TALKED TO ARE THE, THE CREW THAT'LL BE OUT THERE AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, THIS PLAN DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE IT.
AND I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF THEM.
THERE IS AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF UNDERGROWTH AND THERE ARE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DEAD TREES THERE BECAUSE OF THE DENSE UNDERGROWTH.
UM, SO I'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH ANY, ANYONE WHO'S GIVEN ME ANY CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP ALL OF THEM OR SOME OF THEM WE HAVE ASKED CERTAINLY ON THE PERIMETER, IF ANY WORK WITHIN THE PLAN WITH THE ROOTS WOULD NOT BE COMPROMISED TO TRY TO KEEP, BUT I CANNOT PROMISE OR GUARANTEE THAT AT THIS TIME,
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THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE HAS TO DO WITH SIGNAGE, UM, I'VE NOT SEEN ANYTHING AS WHAT YOUR SIGNAGE LOOKS LIKE.ARE YOU HAVING A SIGN THAT IS STRICTLY ATTACHED TO YOUR BUILDING OR IS THERE A FREESTANDING SIGN? THERE IS AN INTENT AT THE DRIVEWAY AND IT'S NOTED ON THE PLAN.
I DO NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE IN ELEVATION THAT THERE WILL BE A PEDESTAL SIGN AT THE ENTRY OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE THAT WILL BE POINTED MORE TOWARDS THE RETAIL OR HOPING TO TALK TO OUR PARTNERS TO GET SOMETHING THAT POINTS THEM BACK TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT GOING TO BE COMING? TH THAT WOULD COME AS A MINOR CHANGE.
DOES THAT, THAT'S TYPICAL THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE SIGNAGE COMES AT A LATER DATE WHEN WE HAVE MORE DETAILS OF THAT, THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH SCOTT PRODUCT SORT OF QUESTION, UM, WITH THE DRIVE-UP PROPOSALS.
UM, HOW WAS THAT GOING TO CONGEST THE TRAFFIC? I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR THAT TRAFFIC HAS BEEN OUR CONCERN WITH THIS.
HOW ARE THE DRIVE UPS GOING TO, I MEAN, WE LOOK AT WHAT STARBUCKS IS GENERATING.
WE LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHERS ARE GENERATING ON THE TRACK ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THIS INNER, THIS INNER BY DRIVE UPS? I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE PROPOSED DRIVE UP, DRIVE-THROUGHS SORRY.
AS A COMPONENT OF THE RETAIL PLAN.
WELL, I THINK THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO THAT.
UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IS THAT WE ARE, WE, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO BE ZEROED IN ON THAT STOPLIGHT.
AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT A MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS BY TWEAKING THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER EVEN ARE GOING TO TRY TO GO BACK OUT TO THAT UNTIL THEY GET TO OUR MOUTH SORT OF OUR INTERSECTION, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL.
THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, LOOK, WOW, THERE'S STACKED UP SIX CARS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LEFT AND WE'RE GOING TO TRANSVERSE OVER TO TAYLORSVILLE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE THE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO GET OVER THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL BE THE MAIN FUNCTION IN, AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
WE THINK WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY'LL HAVE AN OPTION AS TO HOW TO GET OUT OF THE SITE.
AND, UM, THE TRAFFIC CONVERSATION WAS HAD THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS CAME FOR OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE.
UM, AND SO IN THE NEXT CASE TONIGHT IS ABOUT THAT INTERIOR NETWORK, BUT IN INDIVIDUAL DRIVE THROUGH TIGHT RESTAURANT THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET, UH, FOR, UM, DISCUSSION, UM, THAT, BUT SOME OF THE BASICS OF THAT IS DISCUSSED IN THE NEXT.
SO IF I COULD SPEAK SPEAKING AS A, A TENANT OR A PLAT OWNER AND THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE WERE VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT, THAT ENGINEERING WAS DONE PROPERLY IN THE STUDY WAS THOROUGH.
AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT THE CITY AND BROAD REACH OF COME TO A GOOD PLAN BECAUSE OUR LEASING DEPENDS ON, RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY READ IT? THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M JUST WAITING ON PUBLIC ART.
I GUESS ON THE PARKING NUMBER OF SPACES, I GUESS, AND MAYBE IT'S ME.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE EXCEPTIONS FOR A COUPLE OF SPACES HERE AND THERE, BUT EXCEPTIONS IN THIS ONE OF 104 SPACES JUST SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO HAVE NOT HAD IT MENTIONED BEFORE, INSTEAD OF IT'S PROPOSED AND RECOMMENDED FOR PRE-APPROVAL.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S A BIG EXCEPTION.
I THINK, UH, JUST THE STATEMENT ON THAT.
AND THEN THE FACT THAT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT WAS SAID THAT IT WILL BE PARKED AT TWO PER UNIT IS MORE CONFUSION ON MY SIDE.
MY OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, W W IN THE DECISION RECORD AS A STAFF ANALYSIS LEADS IT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT VERSUS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL? NONE.
WHY DO WE HAVE TWO THAT LEAD IT TO TIME TWO THAT RECOMMEND PULLING FROM OLD, UH, CASES AND COPY PASTE IT? THAT MEANS SAME THING.
I THINK HE HAS A COMMENT JUST BRIEFLY.
I DO JUST RECALL BEING IN FRONT OF YOU AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MS. BARGO THAT ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PARKING PRIOR AND, UM, WHEN WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU THE FIRST TIME.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, MY STATEMENT WAS
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SAID THAT WE WERE IN FACT ONE PER BED AND THAT OUR LEASING AND DATA PROVES THAT WE WOULD DO THAT AND CAN LEASE THAT SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT HAVING ANY, ANY ISSUES OTHERWISE.SO I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT IS ONE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE IN FRONT OF THIS PANEL, UM, AS IT PERTAINED TO THE COUNCIL ON CERTAINLY NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, IF THAT WAS SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THAT WAS NOT STATED BY US AND NOR WAS IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS ON THE DOCUMENTS.
YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS JUST BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS, EVERYTHING WAS MODELING THIS WHERE MODELING RANT, WHERE MODELING, NOW WE'RE TALKING DETAIL.
AND WHEN WE ASKED DETAILS BEFORE WE WERE TOLD, WELL, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL.
WELL, AT SOME POINT WE, WE CROSS CONCEPTUAL TO REALITY AND THAT'S WHERE CONFUSION COMES IN ON MY PART NOW, BECAUSE IF WE'RE JUST TALKING CONCEPTUAL BACK THEN WHEN YOU SAID REMODELING, THIS DOESN'T MATTER TILL WE GET TO THE DETAILS.
NOW WE'RE IN THE DETAILS AND WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP A MONTH OR TWO AGO, OR AT NIGHT, I PERSONALLY TAKE A BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH AND NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT WAS NOT SPELLED OUT TO THIS COMMISSION, THAT IT WAS THAT BIG OF AN EXCEPTION.
I KNOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT PRECEDENT AND, YOU KNOW, EACH CASE IS LOOKED AT SEPARATELY, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE PARKVIEW APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT CAME THROUGH HAS THE EXACT SAME PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF ONE PER BEDROOM THAT WAS APPROVED.
AND IT'S, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY NOW, I THINK THERE'S ONLY FIVE UNITS THAT ARE NOT RENTING UP THERE.
AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
ANYONE ELSE? SORRY TO JUMP IN HERE WITH THE LAST MINUTE, BUT, UM, I MEANT TO ASK ABOUT THE THREE-STORY BUILDING.
WILL THEY HAVE AN ELEVATOR WHERE THEY HAVE AN ELEVATOR? NO ELEVATOR, NO, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL WITH DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ZONING CASE 21 DASH 24 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED MS. THOMAS MOVED BY MS. THOMAS SECOND BY MS. VARGO SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
ARE THE REASONINGS FROM, YOU KNOW, VOTERS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? UM, I WOULD JUST, UH, I'VE SAID NO IN THE PAST, AT THE BASIC PLAN ALL ALONG THAT I HAD CERTAIN THINGS THAT I FELT WERE NOT MEETING WHAT WE NEED IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT FITS THE WELLBEING OF THE OVERALL AREA.
I THINK IT BE A GREAT LOOKING PRODUCT, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT ACTUALLY, THE WHOLE UNIT FITS WHERE IT IS.
AND I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT ON MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT ALL ALONG THOMAS.
IT, IT, IT, I THINK, I THINK I AGREE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, BUT I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE OVERALL IMPLEMENTATION OF IT.
UM, I GO ALONG WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THIS AREA TO HAVE SOMETHING SO NICE, ESPECIALLY NEXT TO THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, IT WOULD REALLY BRING IT UP.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRE ENTRANCES BEING SIDE BY SIDE AND ACTUALLY JOINING TOGETHER.
I, I, IF I WAS A RESIDENT RESIDENT THERE, I WOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE.
AND THE OTHER PART OF IT IS I AM, I GUESS I'M SOMEWHAT LIKE THEM.
CAUSE THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US, I WAS UNDER A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON.
I GUESS I THOUGHT WE WERE VOTING MORE ON, ON, UH, UH, CHANGING THE CODES AND THINGS OF, I MEAN, CHANGING THE, YOU USE, WHAT DO YOU, IT, THE ZONING ASPECT OF IT? NOT THAT WE WERE APPROVING, IT WAS GOOD SEXUAL.
IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T, UH, THE FINAL PLANS.
UM, IF I MAY, UM, SO ONE, YES, THE LAST TIME HE HAS CAME THROUGH, UM, WHAT YOU, YOU WERE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, IT WAS FOUR TO ONE AT THE TIME.
AND THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PLAN.
THAT'S THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
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HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION ON IT AND IT DOES HAVE THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE DOES HAVE SPECIFIC SET OF REQUIREMENTS THAT THIS PLAN MEANT.UM, WHAT'S UM, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A CONCERN WITH, WHAT I WOULD RATHER SEE IS STATING THOSE CONCERNS AND MAYBE TABLING THE ITEMS SO THAT THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS RATHER THAN WAITING UNTIL THERE'S AN ACTUAL VOTE TO DENY.
I HEAR YOU SAY THAT, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD PROJECT, BUT THE PROJECT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT WAS DENIED, BUT WE HAVE BROUGHT UP CONCERNS AND WE'RE TOLD THIS IS CONCEPTUAL WE'LL DEAL WITH THE DETAILS AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
AND YOU HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BRING UP THE CONCERNS THAT YOU DID, AND IT WAS DISCUSSED THE TABLE WITH THEM.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION, MS. MARGO, DO WE HAVE OPTIONS? AND WHAT ARE THEY? SO, UM, SO WE HAVE HAD A VOTE.
SO THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DENIED.
SO THE OPTIONS NOW ARE THAT TO ONLY TO BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN, HAS TO BE BY ONE OF THE NO VOTES.
SO IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN, TO HAVE ANY KIND OF OTHER DISCUSSION THAT IS POSSIBLE EITHER TONIGHT OR AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, AFTER THAT, THEN THERE'S APPEAL PROCESSES THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY GO THROUGH.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO REGARDING THIS, FOR IT TO BE RESUBMITTED THERE.
UM, IT HAS TO WAIT A YEAR OR HAVE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT OR COUNCIL COULD VOTE.
THIS DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY VOTED ON THIS.
HAVE WE GIVEN THEM ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW IF THEY CAME BACK? WHAT WE WANT DID NOT HEAR ENOUGH THAT I, ALL I HEARD WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I HEARD THAT SAY GREAT PROJECTS.
AND, AND ALSO IT CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY MADE COMMENTS ON, BECAUSE IF, UH, IF WE EXPECT THEM TO COME BACK, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT IS.
THAT WOULD SATISFY THE COMMISSION.
IS THERE ANY OF YOU THAT VOTED NO, A WILLING TO RETRACT? WAS THERE NO VOTE IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AND TABLE? SO THIS IS ONLY FOR PROCESS.
ONE OF THE NO VOTES WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO RESCIND THE NO VOTE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT AFTER THAT MOTION IS MADE BY NEXT MEETING OR TONIGHT, OR BY IDEALLY TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY I'M ASSUMING.
SO MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING WHEN YOU SAY BY THE ARMY FOR TONIGHT OR AT THE NEXT MEETING IN THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
SO SCOTT, IS THERE A WAY THAT THE THREE NO VOTES CAN HAVE DISCUSSION OR THE ONE EXECUTIVE SESSION EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS, OR DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION? UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS A REASON TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BY JUST ASKING US.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM AS WELL.
I THINK I DISCUSSED IT TONIGHT.
FOLKS COULD JUST SIT THAT AND LISTEN.
IF ONE OF THE, NO VOTES IS WILLING TO DO THAT.
I THINK JANE'S IN SAYING WE CAN HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NO, WHICH I THINK DOESN'T THAT BREAK PROTOCOL WITH THEM.
I MEAN, IT'S EITHER WE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ON OR WE DON'T, SHE'S SAYING WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AROUND IT.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE IN THE RIGHT FORUM FOR IT, IF IT'S PROPER PROTOCOL, BUT I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS MY PERSONAL REASONING.
I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, IF I, IF I MAY, UM, FOR, FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, WHEN A MOTION IS MADE, IF THERE IS A MOTION MADE, YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE THERE'S A VOTE.
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AND SO THAT'S PART ONE.UM, IF THE MOTION IS APPROVED TO BRING IT BACK TO THE TABLE AND THERE'S DISK, THEN YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION REGARDING TABLING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO THERE'S TWO POINTS THAT YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE THERE'S, UM, A FINALITY FOR TONIGHT.
AND TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, THIS IS, AND THESE, THESE PROJECTS ARE ALL INTERTWINED, SO IT'S YES OR NO TO ALL.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, THIS ONE IS STANDALONE TONIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S OTHER THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN.
THAT'S IN THE DECISION RECORD, BUT THE NEXT ONE CAN GET APPROVED AS IS WITHOUT THIS ONE.
IF I, IF I MAY, I'VE BEEN, UNFORTUNATELY I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE, UM, AND ONE, OH, I APOLOGIZE.
I'M JUST HOLD ON FOR A MOMENT.
WE CAN HANDLE THIS OR NOT A THANK YOU.
SO AT THIS POINT WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S EITHER MYSELF, JIM OR SANDRA SAY W PASS A MOTION TO TABLE IT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
THE FIRST STEP TO RESCIND OUTREACH.
I KNOW FOLKS TO BRING IT BACK TO THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.
THEN IF YOU WANTED TO TABLE, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE AFTER THAT.
SO WE'RE SENDING DOESN'T MEAN CHANGING.
SO I WILL PASS A MOTION TO RESEND MY NO VOTE TO BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSSION.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO RESCIND OR NO VOTE.
UM, YOU DON'T NEED A SECOND ON THAT MOTION, SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
MOTION TO RESCIND PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.
SO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS BASICALLY WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO THE VOTE.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS, SPEAK, UM, GATHER ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR JUST MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
AND SIR, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY, GREG, YOU GOT MY NAME.
UM, PLENTY TO SAY, EAGER TO WORK WITH EAGER TO SEEK AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET PAST.
I HEARD FROM ALL THREE OF, OF THE NOTE OF THE PRIOR KNOWS THAT DIDN'T NOW DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE AS A POTENTIAL TO BE A GREAT PROJECT.
UM, THERE IS A CONCERN WHICH I UNDERSTAND, UH, MR. JEFFRIES OF, UM, THAT YOU MAY NOT THINK IT'S AS CONTEXTUAL AS, AS IT NEEDS TO BE IN THIS, THIS APPLICATION.
UM, MS. OP, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD, I WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN THE DIRECTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND I HAVE FOOT F NO PROBLEM GOING BACK AND WORKING THROUGH A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS WITH THEM.
THIS PARCEL IS RELATIVELY LANDLOCKED FROM ITS OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT BASED UPON THE, UM, INTEREST THAT IS TRULY LED BY THE CITY TO VACATE HUBER ROAD, THAT, THAT HAS PUT US IN THIS POSITION TO SEEK THE GUIDANCE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO LED US TO THIS PATH.
UM, IF THE PREFERENCE IS TO KEEP A STRAIGHT ROAD WITH THE SAME INLET VERSUS THAT OF AN ANGLED ROAD, THAT IS WHERE WE'RE ACCEPTING OF THAT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE THAT THAT WAS COME TO CONCLUSION ALONGSIDE WITH THAT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, REGARDING THE PARKING.
UM, I, I SAID IT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT.
WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS GROUP.
UM, MS. THOMAS, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT, UM, I, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SUBSTANTIVE.
I NEED TO CHANGE X, Y, OR Z FROM YOU.
SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS FROM YOU.
IT SEEMED AS IF YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT A CONTEXTUAL, WHETHER IT WAS A CONTEXTUAL ENOUGH PROJECT, UM, ECHOING MR. JEFFERY'S.
SO I I'M HERE TO LISTEN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND EAGER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO.
UM, I DO BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT BASED UPON NOT ONLY THE OTHER PRECEDENTS SET IN MULTI-FAMILY
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THAT ARE HERE IN TOWN THAT ARE NEWER WATERFORD PARKVIEW, THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE VASTLY SUCCESSFUL AND NEEDED IN THIS COMMUNITY.UM, WE ARE IN FACT, SPEAKING WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP ABOUT ANOTHER PROJECT, SIMILAR TO THIS IN A DIFFERENT PORTION OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT WILL HOPEFULLY SEE YOU LATER THIS YEAR.
SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED HUBER HEIGHTS AS A GROWTH QUADRANT AND PROPERTIES LIKE THIS FILL AN EVER GROWING NEED.
FOR THOSE OF FAMILIES WHO EITHER CANNOT AFFORD HOMES AT THIS TIME, FAMILIES WHO ARE DIVORCED, FAMILIES WHO NEED CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A FREEWAY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE YOUR BUSINESSES.
AND I THINK IT WOULD PERSONALLY BE A SHAME IF WE'RE VOTED DOWN AND WE DIDN'T TALK THROUGH ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING NEEDED, THAT WOULD PROVIDE CLARITY.
SO DISCUSSION PART OF MY CONCERN HERE, AND FIRST OF ALL, ONE THING THAT THE FACT THAT THESE ARE SEPARATED OUT TO THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES HERE, UM, THEY'RE ALL RELATED.
AND SO I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE ONE AND THE ONE AFTER THAT.
AND SO MY RESERVATION ABOUT YOUR PROJECT IS BECAUSE WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? WHAT THE EFFECTS ON THIS ONE AND THAT ONE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE HUBER ROAD, UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE UPFRONT AND THE HAIR.
I AGREE WITH THE WAY THAT THE ROADING, THE ROADS ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE OTHER AREA.
UM, IN MY MIND, A SECTION OF THAT HUBER ROAD WOULD BE BETTER TO BE LEFT THERE.
SO YOU'RE STRAIGHT INTO YOUR PLACE.
AND THEN THAT THE OTHER COUPLE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALONG TROY PIKE WOULD NOT HAVE PEOPLE GOING IN FRONT OF THEIR PLACES TO GET OUT OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE MY, ONE OF MY BIG REASONS FOR SAYING NO TO YOU, UH, TRAFFIC IS THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT.
THERE'S MORE TO THIS TRAFFIC SITUATION, UH, THAT I HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT BEING ANSWERED YET.
AND SO CONSEQUENTLY, THAT'S WHERE I'M FALLING INTO, UM, FEELING NO, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THE OTHER TWO ASPECTS OF IT.
AND, AND MR. FALKOWSKI, IF I COULD ALBEIT VERY VALID STATEMENTS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, BY SAYING NO TO THIS PRIOR TO ADDRESSING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY KILL THIS PROJECT.
THE RECOURSE OTHERWISE IS SO MAYBE THIS IS AN ASPECT OF ORDER POTENTIALLY, RIGHT.
EXCEPT WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, YES, WE CAN COME BACK TO IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
I, I, I MAY BE LEANING TOWARDS IF, IF THAT BEING A CONCERN AND YOU BEING A DECIDING VOTE TO TABLING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK MIGHT BE A BETTER OPTION THAN NO IS MY ONLY SUGGESTION.
WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THIS SCENARIO? I MEAN, CAUSE I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO KIND OF RUN TOGETHER ON OUR END OF WHAT WE SAY YES, HERE THEN COME BACK LATER.
BUT TO HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THAT? AND SO WHAT IS JUST, WHAT DO YOU THINK ON THAT? SO I, IF, IF I'M, I'LL, I'LL BACK OFF MY COMMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE FOR A MINUTE AND JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION OF, IF YOU'RE ASKING, HEY, CAN WE TABLE TO LATER IN THIS MEETING? YES.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION ON THE NEXT PART AND COME BACK TO SOMETHING, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY CAN DO.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE NEXT PART AS WELL, THAT ALSO IS IN YOUR PURVIEW.
I WILL TELL HIM, I SAID, I'LL BE OPEN AS YOU WANT TO BE.
BUT THE, THE, THE PARKING I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, BUT THAT'S YOUR GUYS' BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND THAT I KNOW THAT I JUST KNOW WE HAVE A CODE AND I ASSUME WE HAVE A CODE FOR A REASON.
AND I WAS GOING OFF OF WHAT WAS ONLINE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING VIDEO THAT YOU HAD STAYED AT.
THAT'S WHERE I WENT OFF OF THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WATERSTONE AND PARK VIEW ARE MODELED THE SAME WAY.
MY BIGGER CONCERNS IS, AND HAS BEEN ALL ALONG THE OTHER PART OF TONIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN IN THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY THAT'S
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AND, UM, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THAT.I UNDERSTAND YOU DID VOTE NO, THE FIRST TIME AND MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO THE QUESTION OF IT.
THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
TRAFFIC WAS THE HEAVILY DISCUSSED PORTION OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND HAS BEEN VOTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S, UH, THE TRAFFIC, HOW THIS AFFECTS ALL TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE HAS BEEN DEEMED ACCEPTABLE THROUGH THE, THIS REZONING PROCESS.
UM, AND THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON FIXING THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE THAT, UH, THAT COMES WITH THIS, BUT THAT HAS BEEN VOTED ON BY CITY COUNCIL ALREADY.
SO THIS PART AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, IS, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED QUESTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, VOTING ON THIS BEFORE WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE US FIRST, RIGHT.
BUT YET EVERYTHING WAS CONSIDERED CONCEPTUAL.
AND SO THE ONE THEN WHEN IT GETS TO THE CITY, THEN IT BECOMES FACTUAL.
IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? THE DRAWING ITSELF FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS CONCEPTUAL.
SO WHEN IT SHOWS A BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS, UM, WHAT WAS BEING APPROVED AND WE'VE DISCUSSED, THIS IS THE USE THAT 192 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THIS AREA IS AN ACCEPTABLE USE, RIGHT? AND CITY COUNCIL SAID, YES, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
WHETHER THAT BUILDING IS FACING THAT DIRECTION OR TURNED A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S PART OF THESE PLANS AND THESE FINAL, WHERE THE SEWERS ARE EXACTLY.
AND HOW THAT CONNECTS IN STORM WATER.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S COMING FOR TONIGHT AS THE DETAILED PLAN, UM, CITY COUNCIL, THEIR CARE WE'LL SAY OF THAT IS JUST THAT IT WORKS.
THEY'LL THEIR ENGINEERS COME BACK WITH THAT DESIGN THAT PROVES THAT IT WORKS, BUT IT SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD IF IT DOESN'T WORK.
UM, BUT THERE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS ON TRAFFIC THAT, THAT WAS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, ABOUT THE WIDENING OF OLD TROY, THE WIDENING OF TAYLORSVILLE, WHERE THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE.
THERE'S SOME THAT ARE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT VACATING HUMOR ROAD, THAT WAS PART OF THAT APPROVAL.
UM, SO TO COME BACK NOW AND SELL, SAY, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T VACATE HE ROAD, THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.
UM, AND PART OF THE REASON I'LL EXPLAIN, UH, THAT THAT WAS A VERY BIG DISCUSSION, NOT JUST HERE, BUT WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT LOCATION OF HUBER ROAD, COMPARED TO WHERE THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS RIGHT NOW, HUBER ROAD IS A PROBLEM OF PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT, TURN OUT OF THAT BECAUSE OF OLD TROY PIPE, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
SO MOVING THAT TRAFFIC DOWN TO A SIGNAL IS IMMENSELY GOING TO IMPROVE THAT, THAT AREA.
AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT ONE ABOUT HOW THAT LANE GOES THROUGH.
AND THAT WAS PART OF MY DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING PARKING SPACES ALONG IT, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, BUT HAVING HUMOR ROAD ITSELF IS A TRAFFIC HAZARD WITH DISCIPLINE.
UM, HAVING A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO IS, UM, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDED WAY TO GO.
I CAN, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION IS IMPORTANT THERE, AND HUBER IS A PROBLEM, BUT THERE'S OTHER PROBLEMS UP THERE.
AND I GET THE FEELING THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT THOSE.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO, CAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY ARE.
AND I GUESS WHEN WE GET THERE, WE TRY TO ADDRESS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD TABLE THIS.
ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS TO LATER ON THIS EVENING IS ZONING CASE.
DO WE NEED A MOTION? IS THERE A MOTION MR. JEFFRIES? SO MOVED TO TABLE THIS ZONING CASE TILL LATER ON THIS EVENING, IS THERE A SECOND? SORRY, MS. HOP SECOND SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. THOMAS? YES, YES,
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YES, YES.APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE WITH THE PROCESS.
NEXT UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED PLAN.
THE APPLICANT BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 9.2 ACRES AT THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE INTERSECTION ZONING CASE 21 DASH 25.
UH, SO THIS ITEM IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND WITH THIS, IF WE CAN GET THIS SCREEN TO MOVE.
SO THIS IS FOR THE STREET AND UTILITY NETWORK.
THIS IS NOT FOR ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT, UH, ARE GOING TO BE CARVED OUT FOR INDIVIDUAL USERS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT FINAL DESIGN WOULD COME AT A LATER STAGE.
SO THE, THE, THE POINT OF THIS IS TO SET UP THAT NETWORK TO ALLOW FOR CONNECTION TO THOSE OTHER LOTS, WHETHER IT BE THE MULTI-FAMILY PIECE OR THE COMMERCIAL PIECES.
UM, SO, UM, ALONG WITH THIS, THIS HAS THAT INTERIOR NETWORK THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED AND, UH, CAME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THROUGH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, HOW THE, UH, SITE IS ACCESSED FROM TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND FROM OLD TROY PIKE.
SO STARTING WITH OLD TROY PIKE, YOU HAVE THE FIRST ENTRANCE.
THAT IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT A LOCATION THAT ACCESSES A COUPLE OF, UH, LOTS THERE AT THE CORNER.
UM, THERE, THE, UH, UH, AS DISCUSSED OLD TROY PIKE IS BEING WIDENED THE WHOLE SECTION TO ADD A THIRD LANE.
AND, UH, TH THIS ACCESS POINT COMES OFF OF THAT.
THE NEXT ACCESS POINT ALSO HAS RESTRICTED ACCESS.
UM, BUT THIS CASE, THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ANOTHER ACCESS POINT, UM, THAT IS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.
THEN FURTHER NORTH, YOU GET TO A SIGNAL, A NEW SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.
SO THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY ACROSS FROM THE BURGER KING AREA, LOCATED IN STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM KIND OF THAT MAIN ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF.
THAT IS WHERE THE FOCUS IS OF THE TRAFFIC TO ENTER AND EXIT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT FURTHER TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
YOU HAVE HUBER ROAD, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE VACATED.
AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
UM, THE ISSUE WITH HUBER ROAD OF ALLOWING IT TO STAY PARTIALLY IS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY OF, UH, TROUBLE WITH SOMEBODY GOING OUT AND TRYING TO TURN LEFT.
AND, UM, AS THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION INTERSECTION COMES IN, IT'S THE DISTANCE, UH, FROM THAT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION THAT WOULD CAUSE ISSUES FOR TRAFFIC GOING IN, IN AND OF THAT LOCATION FURTHER TO THE NORTH OF THAT ON, UH, THEIR PROPERTIES.
YOU HAVE, UH, UH, THE, THE BANK AND THEN STARBUCKS, STARBUCKS HAS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, UH, ACCESS POINT THEN FURTHER TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
YOU HAVE MCDONALD'S THAT HAS ACCESS OFF OF MERRILY WAY, UM, AS DISCUSSED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, UH, THE CITY.
YEAH, I WAS PLANNING ON CONTINUING THAT A WIDENED SECTION ALL THE WAY UP TO
UM, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED FOR TRAFFIC MAINTENANCE ALONG, UH, OLD TROY PIKE, SOME TIMING TYPE THINGS.
AND ALSO MERRILY WAY SOME OF THE WIDENING THERE, UM, CAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUE WAS ABOUT, UH, GETTING TO THE CARWASH.
UM, SO EXTENDING SOME OF THAT WIDENING TO BE ABLE TO GET A BYPASS THERE.
AND THEN THE SAME ON THE SAME SIDE WITH THE, UH, WHERE THE ARMY'S IS, UM, TO HAVE THAT, UH, TURN LANE IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TO GO NORTHBOUND ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UM, THAT IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY WIDENED.
SO THERE'S A PORTION OF IT THAT'S ALREADY, THAT IS APPARENTLY WIDENED FOR THAT TURN LANE.
UM, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THIS PROPERTY TOO.
YOU ACCESS POINTS THAT COME OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE INTO AN EXITING THIS, YOU HAVE THE MAIN ACCESS DRIVE THAT'S KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THIS, THAT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE, UH, EXISTING POND, UM, THAT DOES GET DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND DOES GO OUT, UH, TOWARDS THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AS WELL.
UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY OPEN, YOU DO HAVE THE, YOU TURN LANE GOING NORTHBOUND, UH, THE RIGHT, THE NEW RIGHT TURN LANE COME ALONG, COMING OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD
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THAT IS INSTALLED.AND THERE ARE NOW THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS WITH THE MAPS ARMS THAT ARE UP THAT DO HAVE, UH, DIDN'T MAKE THE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN COMING OFF OF TAYLOR TAYLORSVILLE GOING NORTHBOUND ON TO OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, THERE'S A, THAT WAS PART OF THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
UH, WHERE WOULD THOSE MASS STORMS AND THAT'S THE NEW PEDESTRIAN CROSSING POLES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AND THE FLASHING YELLOWS ON THE TURNS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT, OVERALL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE AREA THAT THE CITY HAS PUT IN, UH, PRIOR TO THIS MOVING FORWARD, UH, FROM A UTILITY, THE END, UH, IT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, THE LAST DISCUSSION, UH, WATER AND SANITARY RUN THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RELOCATING OF A PORTION OF THAT, UM, TO MAKE THE LOCKS WORK.
UH, SO THAT'S A PART OF THESE DETAILED PLANS.
UM, BUT THERE IS A LOOPING CONNECTION THAT GOES FROM TAYLORSVILLE THROUGH THIS SITE BACK OUT TO OLD TROY, AND THEN IT ALSO GOES BACK, UM, UM, OVER TO THE EAST AS WELL.
UM, SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, IS ABOUT, OKAY, SO WHEN YOU VACATE HUBER ROAD, UM, THERE ARE TWO USERS RIGHT NOW THAT UTILIZE HUMOR ROAD AND THAT'S A STARBUCKS AND THE BANK PROPERTY.
THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES, UM, ABOUT THE VACATION AND HOW THAT WORKS.
UM, AND THIS JUST EXTENDS PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENTS, UH, ACROSS THERE, SO THAT THERE WILL BE, UM, THAT, UM, IT'S, UH, FOR ANYBODY TO USE, UH, THAT COMES OFF OF THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AND GOES TO POTENTIALLY ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, USERS.
CURRENTLY STARBUCKS HAS THAT SITUATION.
NOW THIS JUST EXTENDS IT A LITTLE BIT OVER ONE MORE LOT, BUT THEY DO HAVE THEIR RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT, UM, LOCATED IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESSES AS WELL.
UM, AS PART OF, UH, MY ANALYSIS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT, THAT'S LOCATED IN BETWEEN THE BANK AND THAT MAIN DRIVE, UM, IT DOES SHOW A CONCEPTUAL, UM, DRAWING ON THAT WITH THE PARKING ON THAT THERE IS PARKING SPACES SHOW ALONG THAT ACCESS DRIVE THAT PARALLELS OLD TROY PIKE.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THOSE NOT BE ALLOWED IN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A HEAVIER USED, UM, ACCESS POINT THEN WILL BE WHEN THE FINAL DESIGN COMES THROUGH.
WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT THEY PULL THAT BUILDING AS FAR AWAY FROM ALL TROY AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, WITH THE VACATION OF HUMOR ROAD, UM, AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, HALF OF THE ROAD GOES TO ONE PROPERTY, HALF GOES TO THE OTHER.
SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE MORE ROOM THAT PARKING CAN GO ALONG THAT SIDE OF WHAT THAT, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPERTY, UM, THAT SORT OF GOES TO THAT, UH, UH, USE ITSELF.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THEIR PROPER NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND JUST MOVE THOSE TO THE SIDES.
SO THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, UM, ALONG THAT ACCESS DRIVE THAT THERE NOT BE PARKING ON THAT WESTERN EDGE WITH THAT.
UM, SO THERE WAS RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ONCE AGAIN THE SAME THING HERE, UM, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ZONING PERMITS, THE APPLICANT SHALL ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS.
SO, UH, FIRE HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS AND IS WORKING WITH THE, THE APPLICANT, IF THERE IS ANYTHING ABOUT ATTORNEY RADIUS THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOSENED UP OR SO THEY WON'T BE REQUIRED TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT BEFORE GETTING THEIR PERMITS.
UM, SO, UM, BE, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
SO THE WIDENING OF CHOI PIPE IS TAYLORSVILLE TO
THIS PROJECT JUST GOES TO THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT HUMOR ROAD.
BUT THEN THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE IT FROM THERE UP TO
NOW TAYLORSVILLE, IS IT GOING TO BE WIDENED AS WELL FROM MOUNT WHITNEY UP TO BASICALLY YES.
THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS JUST TO THE WEST OF MOUNT WHITNEY, BUT YES.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS WITH WIDENING THAT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE FRONTS OF LIKE SAY STARBUCKS, WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE, THE, UH, STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WILL BE REWORKED.
SO THERE IS ROOM THERE BECAUSE WHERE THEIR PORK CHOP IS, THERE'S A, UM, CALL IT A LITTLE
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BIT OF A DRIVE AISLE THAT IF THAT GETS PUSHED BACK, UM, THERE IS ROOM TO DO THAT.SO YES, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UM, BUILDINGS INSIDE HERE, THE TENANTS THAT ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, UM, ARE WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.
WILL THAT BE APPROVING ANY OF THOSE? NO.
THE NEXT ITEM IS JUST THE LINE WORK FOR THE LOTS THEMSELVES.
THIS IS JUST FOR THE DRIVES AND UTILITIES, THE INTERIOR PORTION.
SO EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING AND THEIR PARKING LOTS, THEIR LANDSCAPING IS NOT BEING APPROVED TONIGHT.
THOSE WILL COME IN SEPARATE PACKAGES BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I DO WANT TO STATE, UM, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS TO BE LIKE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, YOU KNOW, IN A MEETING ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT LIKING IT TO TIP CITY WHERE EVERYBODY GETS OUT AND WALKS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF TO PROPOSE THAT IS THERE IN FRONT OF US ARE NOT TYPES OF PLACES THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GET OUT AND WALK TO.
I MEAN, LIKE WALKING INTO A TIRE DISCOUNTERS, THAT'S ABOUT SOMETHING YOU GO OUT AND STROLL AROUND AND LOOK AT THEM.
UM, AND THE CONCEPTUAL OVERALL CONCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, APPEALING, UH, SERVES THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST OUTSTANDING AND, UM, UH, WOULD BE A DRAW FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND, AND PATRONIZE THERE.
UM, THAT THAT'S, I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT THERE.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY WILL LISTEN.
THE ONE I'LL REMIND PLANNING COMMISSION OF IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IS COMMERCIAL USE.
SO WHILE, AND WHEN ONE OF THESE COMES BACK BEFORE YOU THEN INDIVIDUAL USER, YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT, DOES IT MEET REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS, FOR LIGHTING, FOR LANDSCAPING, BUILDING MATERIALS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT YOU'RE NOT APPROVING THE USER ITSELF.
SO WHETHER IT'S A TIRE STORE OR A FLOWER SHOP OR A NAIL SALON, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY IS APPROVING.
UM, THE, THE USE OF THAT IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE OR A MEDICAL OFFICE USE, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT'S, UM, PART OF THAT APPROVAL OF WHAT FITS WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IN THE BACK AREA ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, SO YOU COULDN'T PUT IN THAT BACK AREA, ONCE ALL THIS GETS APPROVED WITHOUT COMING THROUGH A FULL NEW PROCESS AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
UM, AND, AND SO, OR A GAS STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THE, DON'T GET HUNG UP ON A NAME OF A USER THAT MAY USE ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, BUT YET WHEN THEY COME TO US, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPECIFY WHAT THEY DO.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ABC COMPANY, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT.
UM, BUT I WILL ASK THAT YOU, UM, ANALYZE THAT ON THE BASIS OF WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE, HOW YOU GET TO IT, WHAT THE LANDSCAPING DO, THE UTILITIES WORK, NOT WHETHER YOU LIKE A TIRE STORE OR NOT.
SO THAT GOES AGAINST THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF THIS WHOLE AREA, THEN NOT SURE.
MAYBE IT'S JUST MY WISH, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WAS AN AREA THAT WOULD BE, UM, A DRAW FOR EVERYONE.
SORRY, SCOTT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO YOU TALKING ABOUT WIDENING OF THE ROADS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR PORTION UP TO BASICALLY HUMAN ROAD.
SO YOU MENTIONED ALL OF THE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, HUNTINGTON AND STARBUCKS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
WHAT ABOUT TO THE HIGHWAY? WHAT OR WHERE IS THAT? WHERE IS THAT FRONT END THAT WIDENING COMING FROM? BECAUSE I MEAN, MCDONALD'S, DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT, THEY HAVE A STEEP AND THEN ARBY'S HAS A STEEP.
UM, SO WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? SO THAT IS, THE CITY IS LOOKING AT THAT DESIGN RIGHT NOW AND WHETHER ANY RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED, UH, TO MAKE THAT WORK, UM, OR NOT.
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UM, THERE IS EXPANDED WIDE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THERE.IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BACK OF WALK, LIKE SOME PLACES.
SO, UM, THERE MAY NEED TO BE A RETAINING WALL, UM, LIKE ALONG ARBY'S, UM, THAT GETS PUT IN THAT'S ALL THAT PART OF THAT DESIGN.
AND, UH, THE CITY ENGINEER IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON GETTING THOSE PLANS STARTED.
SO WHICH THERE'S MULTIPLE PIECES TO THAT.
AND AS I MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, IF THERE DOES TO MEET NEED TO BE PURCHASES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE KNOW WE UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THIS PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED WITH THIS PROJECT TO CUBA ROAD.
WHAT IS THE TIMELINE WE'RE LOOKING AT? BECAUSE AGAIN, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, ESPECIALLY ON OLD TROY PIKE IN THAT AREA.
AND WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING, THAT'S REALLY WHEN IT GETS SUPER HEAVY.
SO WITH THE TIMELINE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE CITY TO FINISH THAT, THAT WIDENING OF TH THE CITY'S GOAL IS TO WORK CONCURRENTLY.
AND, UM, IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO HIRE THE SAME CONTRACTORS TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE, THAT'S WHEN WE STILL HAVE OUR BIDDING PROCESS.
BUT, UH, UM, IN CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THAT PROCESS WAS, UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.
UM, BUT WAS ON BOARD WITH THAT CONCEPT AND ALL THE COMPANY AND ALL THE BUSINESSES ALONG THERE ARE ONBOARD AND UNDERSTAND FULLY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE FRONTAGE POTENTIALLY, OR WILL THERE HAVE TO IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THAT'S, UH, THE, THEIR DECISION WOULD BE IF WE NEEDED TO REWORK THEIR LAW IN SOME WAY, THAT'S THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENS BETWEEN THERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, MCDONALD'S IS EXTREMELY BUSY THERE.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE IN FRONT WHERE YOU GOTTA TURN THAT CARWASH, THAT'S ALWAYS THE HICCUP, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER MONTHS, I WILL SAY THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES AND IF WE CAN EASE TRAFFIC AND MAKE IT EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR BUSINESSES, THEY'RE ONBOARD.
IT'S TOUGH TO GET IN OFF OF, OFF OF A MERRILY WAY, SO, OKAY.
THANK YOU, MR. JEFFRIES, ON THE LIGHT TIMING, MAYBE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW HISTORICALLY WE'D SAID ODOD IS A CHALLENGE TO LET US SYNC UP.
AND THEN THE OTHER NIGHTS, OR THE WHATEVER MEETING IT WAS, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM, AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD A LIGHT AND GET ODAT ON BOARD FINALLY.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN? OR IS THAT REAL BECAUSE, OH, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S OKAY, WE CAN FIX IT BY PUTTING THE LIGHT IN FRONT OF BURGER KING.
SO THE ODAT QUESTION IS THE HIGHWAY ITSELF.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE THAT.
AND THEY'RE SETTING UP THEIR TIME.
THEIR GOAL IS TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE OFF THE HIGHWAY AS POSSIBLE.
THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE BACKING UP IN THE LANES AND ACTUALLY BACKING UP TO THE HIGHWAY.
SO, UM, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND OH, NOT, AND THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WE HAVE BEEN USING ABOUT MAKING ALL OF THIS WORK.
SO THAT IS IN PROGRESS AS WELL.
UM, FOR NEW TIMING THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THIS NEW LIGHT.
AND THEN THE, I GUESS THE EXIT ON THE TAYLORSVILLE, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FULL MOTION RIGHT.
LEFT, UH, THAT WITH THE ONE LANE IN, IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN, I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO GET A LEFT TURN LANE ADDED INTO THERE? SO THAT IT'S A RIGHT ONLY A LEFT ONLY THAN ONE INSURANCE TO HELP EXPEDITE THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC SINCE THE LEFT TURN TRAFFIC IS THE ONE THAT'S LIKELY TO BACK IT UP.
AND YOU'VE GOT A DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET, A RESIDENTIAL STREET AS WELL WITH FULL ACCESS LEFT, RIGHT.
AND STRAIGHT OR LEFT, AND RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT, LET ME, MY EYES ARE NOT WHAT THEY USED TO BE.
IF YOU COULD SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE.
SO IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND FLOW, GETTING PEOPLE IN, GETTING PEOPLE OUT, OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE LEFT TURNS WITHOUT A LIGHT OR THE ONES THAT WOULD BE THE MOST, I GUESS, TIME CONSUMING OR LIKELY TO BE BACKED UP.
SO LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT, THE EXIT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE THAT WE SAID, WE'D LOVE TO SEE ATTACHED TO MOUNT WHITNEY.
I THINK WE ALL SAID PLENTY OF DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.
WE'VE ALL FELT IT THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.
AND IT HASN'T THE, THAT ROAD LEAVING HAS A STRAIGHT AND STRAIGHT OUT.
IS THERE ROOM FOR THE EXIT TO HAVE A RIDE ONLY AND A LEFT ONLY INSTEAD OF ONE STAGING LANE.
SO THE MAIN DRIVE TO WIDEN THAT TO A THREE LANE SECTION MAINLY TO GET THE LEFT TURN LANE, BECAUSE THE LEFT TURN IS THE PART THAT BACKS UP TRAFFIC.
WHEN WE GET BACKED UP, THEY'RE STARTING TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE OVERALL THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK, LIKE, I THINK I'VE BEEN CLEAR THAT I THINK IT WAS GOOD.
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I DON'T WANT GOOD ENOUGH.THIS, THIS IS A PERMANENT PROJECT.
I THINK OVERALL THE DESIGN WAS BETTER THAN THE LAST TIME BECAUSE OF THAT ROAD GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH TO THE, UH, APARTMENTS.
BUT IF IT'S A SOIL ISSUE AND AN UNSAFE ROAD ISSUE, THEN THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
MY OTHER BIG CONCERN WAS WITH, YOU KNOW, WHEN DID WE NOTIFY STARBUCKS AND HUNTINGTON BECAUSE THIS AFFECTS THEM GREATLY, I THINK.
AND THEN ON THE HUBER ROAD, VACATING THAT AREA, THE AREA LET'S CALL IT THE STARBUCKS EXIT AND THE HUNTINGTON ENTRANCE, THAT AREA OF HUBERT ROAD THAT'S THERE.
NOW, IS THAT STILL GOING TO BE THERE TO ALLOW TRAFFIC TO TURN LEFT OUT OF SAY STARBUCKS AND HUNTINGTON TO CATCH THAT BACK ROAD WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE NEW, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE DRIVE THROUGH? UM, THERE WILL NOT TOTALLY.
UM, I, I SAY THAT BECAUSE HALF OF THIS WILL GO TO HUNTINGTON, WHAT'S THAT AFTER THAT LAND WE'LL GO TO HUNTINGTON.
SO, UM, IN, FROM WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT MOVING PARKING OVER THERE, THAT WOULD PUSH INTO THAT AREA THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR AN ADDITIONAL, WE'LL SAY CROSS LANE, BUT THERE IS A CROSS LANE THAT'S OVER ON HUNTINGTON'S PROPERTY.
DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT CUBA ROAD WOULD BE THE SAME OWNER.
AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE DIVIDED PORTION THAT'S BACK WHERE THE MULTIFAMILY IS ONCE IT GETS PAST HUNTINGTON.
I FORGOT WE SWITCHED GEARS HERE, BUT, UM, I, I AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL LANE ON THAT, UH, ACCESS ONTO THE ROAD.
SO THEN THE SPACE BETWEEN SAY HUNTINGTON EXIT AND HUNTINGTON ENTRANCE, AS FAR AS THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH PATTERN, THAT, THAT ROAD, SOMEBODY COULDN'T LEAVE HUNTINGTON'S PARKING LOT CURRENTLY WHERE THEY CAN CURRENTLY AND TURN LEFT TO CATCH THE BACK ROAD.
THEY'D HAVE TO DRIVE BACK THROUGH HUNTINGTON'S PARKING LOT THEN.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? SAY, I'M TURNING LEFT OUT OF STARBUCKS ON THE HUBERT ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT STRETCH OF ROAD TO CATCH THE BACK ARTERY OF THIS ROAD NETWORK.
I WILL BE ABLE TO, OR I WON'T BE ABLE TO USE ON HERE.
AND I KNOW THAT SAYS NEW ROAD.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, THE VERTICAL CONNECTION THERE? THEY WOULD EITHER GO NEXT TO HUNTINGTON TO GO UP TO THAT TOP OR AT THE MAIN AISLE THAT'S COMING OFF THE SIGNAL.
I'M JUST ASKING IF THIS ROAD IS GOING TO BE HERE.
SO COMING OUT OF HERE, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME OUT THIS WAY AND THEN THROUGH HERE, CORRECT.
INSTEAD OF COMING OUT HERE AND GET AROUND THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC, UNLESS YOU, UNLESS YOU COME THROUGH THE HUNTINGTON'S PARKING LOT.
SO I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY THAT YOU CAN, FROM THIS ONE, IF THE AVERAGE USER, IF THEY'RE GOING NORTH THEY'RE OF COURSE GOING TO USE THE RIGHT OUT ONTO OLD TROY PIKE IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, THE TYPICAL ONE WOULD PROBABLY GO TO THE SIGNAL AND GO OUT.
AND THEN WIDENING TAYLORSVILLE.
WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY WIDENING TAYLORSVILLE.
WE'RE EXTENDING KIND OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE AREA.
WE'RE NOT ADDING A RIGHT TURN LANE.
CAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN WE SAID BEFORE, WE WERE WIDENING THAT WE WOULD WIDEN THE TAYLORSVILLE WITH A RIGHT TURN LANE, WHICH WOULD LEAVE US RIGHT.
TURN TWO STRAIGHT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ONE STRAIGHT ONE.
AND JUST AN EXTENDED LENGTH OF THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
NO, I MEAN, IT'S WIDENING TO THE FULL SECTION THAT IS DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION.
NOW YOU WILL HAVE TO STRAIGHT AND, AND A TURN LANE FROM TAYLORSVILLE HEADING WESTBOUND.
IT'LL BE, AS IT IS NOW AT THE INTERSECTION IS HOW IT WILL BE.
YOU'RE WIDENING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IF YOU EXTEND THAT YOU ARE NOT, NOT AT THE INTERSECTION.
AND WITH ALL THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC COMING OUT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE, UM, NOT HAVING THE EXTRA LANE IS A CONCERN.
I MEAN, YOU GOT ALL THOSE APARTMENTS COMING OUT THERE.
TH THE, THE MAJORITY THAT ARE USING THAT TO COME OUT THERE WOULD BE HEADING SOUTHBOUND ON OLD TROY OR TURNING LEFT OUT OF HERE TO GO EASTBOUND ON TAYLORSVILLE, ANYBODY THAT'S GOING NORTHBOUND.
WE'LL USE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION ALSO WHERE THEY'RE COMING OUT THERE.
THE FURTHER EAST IS EXIT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE THERE,
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UM, THAT ROAD RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE, I THINK, UH, CHARNWOOD I THINK IS WHAT THAT ONE IS.UM, THOSE ARE PRETTY CLOSE THERE, BUT YET NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER.
IS THAT SOMETHING, UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT AND, UM, THERE'S NOT A REASONABLE WAY TO LINE THOSE UP.
AND THEN WITH THE ADDING THE PEOPLE COMING OFF OF MOUNT WHITNEY, IS IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, WAIT, ONE THING THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LITTLE BIT IS FROM THE SITE DISTANCE AND IS ALL OF THOSE LARGE TREES ARE GOING TO GO, THAT'S GOING TO HELP THEM.
GOT TO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
IF YOU JUST MAKE CLARITY, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARITY.
SO YOU'RE GOING ON TAYLORSVILLE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LEFT LANE AND YET REALLY YOU CAN EITHER GET IN THERE.
SO WE HAVE A STRAIGHT LANE, BUT THEN WE HAVE THAT, THAT SEMITE RIGHT TURN.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN THAT RIGHT TURN, NOW YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO GET TO THE BANK THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO A DEDICATED, OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING TWO STRAIGHTS LEFT AND A RIGHT.
WE'RE DOING ONE STRAIT A LEFT AND A RIGHT.
MR. JEFFRIES, YOU OTHER QUESTIONS, I GUESS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON IT WAS ON, OH, AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S CONCEPTUAL, BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE A GOAL OF WHO THESE QUICK SERVE SLASH DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO BE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT, THAT ISSUE WOULD COME BACK AT ANOTHER STAGE.
SO IT WOULD BE BROKEN OUT AT THAT POINT.
I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN IS, I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CONCERN IN THAT AREA CURRENTLY, PERIOD.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO DENYING THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CHICAGO AND STUFF.
LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ACT LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I'M NEVER DRIVING OVER THERE.
BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO NOT, IF WE, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS ISSUES, AS WE GROW, WE WILL END UP BEING A BACKLOG, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHRISTMAS, BUT ALL YEAR.
SO MY CONCERN THERE IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVE-THROUGHS FROM THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE HAD INTERNALLY, I MEAN, WILL THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, I KNOW THERE'S NO GUARANTEE, RIGHT.
BUT HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE THAT THIS IS GOING TO ELITE OVERALL ALLEVIATE THAT ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING CARS WHERE THERE'S NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY'RE SPENDING IN US, NOT ADD TRAFFIC TO THE AREA.
SO WHEN WE'RE ADDING CARS TO AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS A TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUE, AND I WILL CONCEDE THAT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES DO COME FROM PEOPLE NOT FOLLOWING THE DESIGN AND THE RULES OF THE ROAD.
HOW CONFIDENT ARE WE THAT THIS IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION EVEN AFTER THE ADDED FLOW OF TRAFFIC? I WILL SAY THERE'S BEEN SOME LESSONS LEARNED LATELY.
IF YOU GO UP AND LOOK AT CHICK-FIL-A AND ALL YOU HEAR ABOUT CHICK-FIL-A IS THAT TRAFFIC BACKS OUT ON THE MAIN ROADS.
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE SO FAR, KNOCK ON WOOD.
WE HAVE NOT HAD CARS GO OUT INTO THE DRIVE LANE AND THEN EVEN IN THEIR BACK DRIVE AISLE THAT HAS A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT WITH IT.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN BLOCKAGE THERE FOR THINGS LIKE PANERA AND ALL THAT.
SO DESIGNS OF THESE THINGS, THEY THEY'VE GOT IT.
AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GO ON TO, UH, UM, RAISING CANES AS WELL.
THAT ALSO FROM THE INITIAL LAYOUTS, UM, THEY MADE A CHANGE ABOUT HOW THAT ENTRANCE COMES IN.
AND THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE THERE ON WAYNE TOWN AS WELL.
SO, UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IS HOW WE WILL LOOK AT THESE ABOUT HOW THAT TRAFFIC GETTING PEOPLE BACK IN DOING THAT CIRCULAR.
AND A LOT OF THESE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BYPASS LANES.
AND, UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE USER, WHETHER THEY HAVE DOUBLE DRIVE-THRUS OR NOT, UM, WE'LL SEE THAT WHEN THAT TIME COMES, BUT, UM, BUT YES, THAT IS 100% ON THE MIND OF ANY DESIGN WHEN THESE COME THROUGH, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STACKING AREAS THROUGH THOSE DRIVE-THROUGHS, UM, WHERE THAT OVERFLOW TYPE OF STACKING WOULD GO WOULD NOT BE OLD TROY PIKE.
AND IT CHICK-FIL-A IS, I MEAN, TO THEIR POINT, DEFINITE DIFFERENCE FROM A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN, THEY BUILT, THEY BOUGHT A PROPERTY, ABSOLUTELY LARGE ENOUGH TO HANDLE WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO INSTEAD OF BUYING AT THE BARE MINIMUM SIZE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S MY CONCERN ON THESE CONCEPTUAL QUICK SERVE DRIVE-THROUGHS AS THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET AS, AS BIG A BUSINESS IN THERE ON A SMALLER PROPERTY AS THEY CAN, WHICH IS WHAT LEADS TO THE QUESTION, THE CONCERN.
AND WE WILL, UM, AS SOON AS I SEE A PRELIMINARY SOMETHING,
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WE'LL CALL IT OFFICIAL PRELIMINARY, UM, WE'LL COUNT THE DISTANCE, THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT CAN GO THROUGH AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE IT GETS TO PLANNING COMMISSION, JANET JANE, UM, SCOTT, CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, THE NUMBER OF, UH, OR, OR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TRAFFIC WHEN SWAN LAKE WAS THERE AND THIS PLAN? UM, SO BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS A VACANT LOT, WE HAD TRAFFIC.I MEAN, WE HAD APARTMENTS THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, THERE, THERE WERE LESS APARTMENTS THERE THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OFFICE BUILDINGS, BUT NO COMMERCIAL AREAS.
UM, BUT, BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE THAT THIS IS, UH, THE APARTMENTS, I BELIEVE IT WAS A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WERE, UM, CURRENTLY THERE, THAT LOCATION.
SO THERE DEFINITELY WILL BE INCREASED IN TRAFFIC.
WE KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WIDENING THE ROAD AND PUTTING IN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT? YES.
I'M MIKE CAST, TOLEDO AT BROADREACH RETAIL.
UH, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST HERE.
UM, AND I, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' WILLINGNESS TO, TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE, THE COMPLEXITY AND, UM, THE ABILITY TO SEE IT AS A WHOLE.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT PROBABLY FOR 18 MONTHS OR SO.
UM, I RECALL OUR FIRST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHERE THE BOARD HAD A NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND, UM, WE ASKED IT TO BE TABLED.
UM, AND ACTUALLY, I KNOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS NOT APPROVED AT THE TIME.
AND WE CAME BACK AND SAID, WOULD THE BOARD RECONSIDER? AND WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AND HEAR SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS SO WE CAN ADDRESS THEM IN THE PLAN AND YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO DO SO.
UM, WE COULD HAVE WENT RIGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND GOT THAT THOSE APPROVALS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL OR TRIED TO, AT THAT TIME, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HEARD FROM YOU GUYS.
AND THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE TONIGHT, MINUS I TRIED TO TAKE LOTS OF NOTES WHILE EVERYONE WAS TALKING.
UM, THERE'S ONE THING DIFFERENT ON THIS PLAN THAT IS FROM THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THAT IS THAT BACK ROAD THAT WENT FROM, UH, THE APARTMENTS, UH, OVER TO TAYLORSVILLE.
AND WE'LL, WE COULD WE'LL GET TO THAT, BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, UH STEP-BY-STEP WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE CITY, THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S OUR GOAL THAT THIS PROJECT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE OWNED WAYNE TOWN PLAZA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WE WERE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND RETAIL AS HOMESTEAD UNDERSTANDS APARTMENTS.
UM, THE USERS HERE, WHICH I BELIEVE THE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED AND NOW CITY ORDINANCE ALLOWS COMMERCIAL USE HERE.
THE USERS THAT ARE GOING TO END UP HERE WANT TO BE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THOSE USERS RUN THEIR BUSINESSES.
THEY STUDY THE TRAFFIC, THEY STUDY THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
THAT SHOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TO YOU GUYS, THAT'S A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, RETAIL IS NOT A TRAFFIC GENERATOR.
I'VE BEEN DOING RETAIL PROJECTS FOR OVER TWENTY-FIVE YEARS.
RETAIL CAPITALIZE OFF OF EXISTING TRAFFIC.
AND WE W OUR PROPOSAL IS, IS TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC, MAKE A NUMBER OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT IS ALREADY IN EXISTING PROBLEM WITHIN THE CITY, AND PROVIDE A SOLUTION TO THE CITY FOR THAT, WITH OUR PROJECT, WIDENING ALL TROY PIPE FROM THE LIGHT OF TAYLORSVILLE, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY, CONTROLLING EACH ENTRANCE ONTO OUR PROPERTY, DOING THE WIDENING OF TAYLORSVILLE.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY IN CONCERT WITH THEM ON HUBER ROAD TO HAVE THAT VACATED AND BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE WERE VERY, I THINK THE VERY FIRST PLAN THAT YOU GUYS SAW HUBER ROAD WAS INCORPORATED IN THIS PLAN.
UM, WE HAD, NO, WE WEREN'T INTENDING ON VACATING.
UH, THAT PORTION OF HOOVER ROAD.
WE HEARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HEARD THE CITY, WE HEARD CITY
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COUNCIL, AND WE MADE THOSE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR, TO OUR PLAN.UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPENT MANY MEETINGS COORDINATING WITH THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS IN TERMS OF THE UTILITIES AND HOW ALL THE SITE AND THE ROADS LAYOUT WE HAVE MET WITH FIRE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, AND THAT THEIR TRUCKS CAN NAVIGATE OUR SITE.
UH, WE HAVE DONE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC DATA, EVERY MOVEMENT, AND EVERY ACCESS POINT YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN IS GOTTEN A, A RATING ON IT FOR ACCESS.
IT MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA FROM, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, UH, LOCAL TRAFFIC COMPANY, UH, THAT SCOTT AND THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH BEFORE.
AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
I THINK, UH, THE CITY HAS SEEN IT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WORKED, WE STARTED WITH THAT FROM DAY ONE AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE MOVEMENTS ARE SAFE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE A SOLUTION TO SOME OF THE EXISTING PROBLEMS, AND WE BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS A SOLUTION TO THAT.
IT IS GONNA BRING USERS TO YOUR COMMUNITY, THAT THEY WANT TO BE HERE, AND THAT PEOPLE WILL USE, WE WILL HELP IN SOLVE PORTIONS OF YOUR, OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS WORKING IN CONCERT WITH US, WITH THE EXTENSION FROM HUBER ROAD UP TO ROUTE 70.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS YOU GUYS WILL ALLOW US TO HELP FACILITATE THAT CHANGE AND THAT IMPROVEMENT CHECK MY NOTES HERE.
AM I MISSING ANYTHING YOU GUYS, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR THIRD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, COUNTLESS OTHER STAFF MEETINGS, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT I MIGHT'VE MISSED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS PLAN, UM, OTHER THAN THE ROAD, UM, AGAIN, BEHIND THE POND, WHICH THERE'S JUST PHYSICALLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A ROAD THERE SAFELY.
UM, AND THERE'S QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK IT'S, I, I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD BE AS SAFE AS IT COULD BE IF IT WAS, IT'D BE DARK BACK THERE.
IT'S KIND OF A ROAD THAT IS KIND OF, NOPE, NO MAN'S LAND.
UM, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HAVE A SHORT US THAT THE, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS WITHIN THE SITE WILL PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE ACCESS OUT TO THE REEF POINTS, UM, AND PROVIDE SAFE MOVEMENTS OUT OF EVERY ACCESS POINT AND FOR THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UM, MR. JEFFRIES, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, EXIT ON TAYLORSVILLE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE CLOSEST TO MERRILY WAY.
IF, IF, IF IT'S A COMMENT TO PUT AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER AND PUT A LEFT-HAND TURN.
UM, AGAIN, THAT ENTRANCE FROM THE TRAFFIC REPORT IS A SAFE MOVEMENT WITH THE IT'S DESIGNED.
I'M SURE THE LEFT-HAND DEDICATED TURN LANE WOULD BE BETTER.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, KNOW AS FOR TENANTS, THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT, YOU KNOW, THE USERS HERE, I CAN'T STAND HERE TONIGHT AND TELL YOU WHAT TENANT IS GOING TO BE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE LEASES NECESSARILY SIGNED FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY USER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WANTS TO BE HERE AND THEY WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM WE DON'T WANT TO, WE'RE NOT JUST INTERESTED IN PUTTING SOMEONE HERE FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF PUTTING THEM HERE.
WE NEED THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO IT'S LONGEVITY FOR US AND OWNING AND OPERATING THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
AND, UM, WE ARE SELECTIVE, UM, AND WE MAKE SURE THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND OPERATING OUR BUSINESS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMEONE IN THERE THAT'S CREDIT WORTHY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY AND OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS IN, IN, UH, IN THE WAY YOU WOULD WANT IT TO BE OPERATED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE FOR HIM OR FOR SCOTT, BUT ON JUST THE LEFT, RIGHT.
WOULD THAT BE FOR YOU OR FOR HIM? JUST ON ANOTHER ONE, JUST LOOKING AT IT.
SO EXITING THE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS AT THE LIGHT, WE'VE GOT A LEFT TURN AND THEN A RIGHT OR STRAIGHT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO MAKE THE LEFT TO BE LEFT OR STRAIGHT? SO THE RIGHT TURN, IF ABEL CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY, TURN AND MAKE A RIGHT TURN ON RED, INSTEAD OF BACKING UP THERE BEHIND A STRAIGHT HAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF STRAIGHT THROUGH TRAFFIC THERE REALISTICALLY, BUT WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN? SO THEN IF WE HAVE
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PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY CAN GO RIGHT ON RED.IF THE OPENING IS THERE, INSTEAD OF GETTING SAT BEHIND SOMEONE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIKE AND I, AND I DON'T THINK THAT AFFECTS THE OVERALL OF ANY OF THIS.
UM, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS LOOK AT THAT TOO.
WHICHEVER IS THE BEST WAY, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT THAT, UH, A LOT OF THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HEAD NORTHBOUND.
SO HAVING THAT DEDICATED SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF UPSET PEOPLE THAT GET STUCK BEHIND THEM.
AND IF YOU'RE TURNING LEFT, YOU'RE WAITING ANYWAY.
SO I MOST LIKELY THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS HOW THAT WOULD END UP.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT WHERE WE HAD TALKED ALSO? SO THE AREAS OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS LIKE THE CUTTING ACROSS THE STREET, WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THAT ABILITY FOR THEM TO CUT THROUGH LANES WITH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, KIND OF LIKE THE YELLOW DIVIDERS OUT IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS NOW TO PUSH THOSE PEOPLE, EXITING, TRYING TO TURN.
SO SAY THEY'RE COMING OUT OF RIGHT THERE WHERE FIFTH THIRD IS ONTO THE BRAND NEW, UH, OLD TROY PIKE, TRYING TO TURN LEFT.
WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING SOME OF THOSE DIVERTERS IN THERE TO PUSH THEM OUT TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEIR APARTMENT.
I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT A WHILE BACK AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
THAT'S SOMETHING, I THINK THAT THE CITY WILL LOOK CLOSER AT THAT.
UM, PART OF IT IS THE, THERE'S A RETAIL PAD ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAD AN APPROVAL FOR A BUSINESS, BUT NEVER CAME THROUGH.
SO, UM, THE NEXT TO THE OP I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS VACATED BECAUSE THEY GAVE THAT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WE CAN TALK OFFLINE.
THAT'S SOMETHING CITY WILL LOOK AT.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THAT OUT ON IT.
ONE MORE THING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THESE ARE SEPARATE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE GONE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HOMESTEAD, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CRITICAL PART TO THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT, THERE ARE VERY SYNERGISTIC IN TERMS OF THE USE.
IT PROVIDES A GOOD BUFFER, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN OLD TROY PIKE, THE RETAIL, UH, THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN GETTING BACK INTO MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT, THAT ISN'T MORE TYPICAL FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPS WILL BE USED BY THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE, IT'S, UH, A CLASS FACILITY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN ALONG WITH US EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
AND WE COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, A BETTER PARTNER TO DO THIS PROJECT WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT REAL QUICK.
DO YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK GOING FROM THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS UP TO THE CLUBHOUSE SO THAT THERE WOULD BE WALKING ABILITY? YES.
THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT TAKE YOU FROM THE APARTMENTS TO THE CLUBHOUSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE YOU'LL NEED TO BE SWORN IN SINCE YOU JUST STEPPED IN.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT ZONING CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY.
I NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN, RIGHT.
DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? YEAH.
IS THERE GOING TO BE SIDEWALKS FROM IN FRONT OF THE 2 0 2 AND YOUR ADDRESS, THOSE QUESTIONS? WELL, IT'S TED HE'S THE REST OF THE BUSINESSES.
IS THERE, DOES ANYBODY KNOW, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THERE TOO? THAT LEADS CLEAR, LIKE FROM TAYLORSVILLE TO, MCDONALD'S STILL A SIDEWALK.
SO ALL IN, UH, I'LL, I'LL START ON TAYLORSVILLE.
SO ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, THERE WILL BE THE SIDEWALK ALONG TAYLORSVILLE.
AND THEN ALSO ALONG OLD TROY PIKE, THOSE WILL BE REPLACED BECAUSE OF THE WHITE NAME.
SO YOU WILL HAVE THAT EXTERIOR SIDEWALK, THEN EACH INDIVIDUAL, UH, USER, AS PART OF THEIR PLANS ABOUT HOW TO GET INTO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, DO THE SIDEWALKS THAT COME IN THERE AS WELL, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE RESTAURANT USES THAT HAS DIRECTLY INTO THE BUSINESS.
BUT IF THE QUESTION IS A LONG, LIKE WE'LL CALL IT THE WAY A ROAD THAT IS NOT PLANNED.
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THERE'S JUST SO MANY DISAPPOINTING THINGS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.SOME OF YOU MADE SUCH GOOD POINTS, SUCH GOOD POINTS.
I LIVE ON THAT STREET AND IT'S A MESS.
AND I DIDN'T EVEN NOW TALK HERE TONIGHT.
SO THAT EVEN REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A PET EVE FOR ME, GRANTED, I KNOW IT'S A BUSINESS AND YOU WANT TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND I, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE SOME OF THEIR APARTMENTS.
SO THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THAT UBUR ROAD.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE PROBLEMS FOR THE, UM, WHAT'S THAT BANK RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THE COFFEE SHOP THAT IS GOING TO BE A PAIN.
AND IT'S JUST CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE, KEEP THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE OPTIONS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A PROBLEM, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO CHEAT.
SO THEY HAVE THAT ROAD, I GET IT FOR THEIR PEOPLE, BUT SEE, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THEIR PEOPLE.
AND AS FAR AS THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP THERE, WE HAVE ALL THAT STUFF ALREADY.
AND TO ADD MORE OF THE SAME, SAME, I WISH IT WOULD HAVE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING, I WISH IT'D BE PUT UP WITH AN IMPACT, SOMETHING BIG, LIKE A MED THAT OR A REC CENTER INSTEAD OF PIDDLING STUFF.
MA'AM IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION ONE MORE THING, YOU KNOW, AND I, UM, I'D OFFER, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PREFER BEFORE THE COMMISSION VOTES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS PROJECT.
ALL OF US HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, INVESTED A LOT INTO IT.
UM, AND BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE, IF THE VOTE, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO GO IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO WORK OUT.
UM, AGAIN, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS PLAN IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE THAT WHEN IT WAS VOTED UPON, OTHER THAN ONE PIECE THAT IS MISSING FROM IT, UM, YOU KNOW, HUBER ROAD, UM, THAT WAS IN WORKING WITH CONCERT IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, UM, AND ALSO THE OTHER FOLKS HERE TO CREATE SOLUTIONS.
AND I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH.
THE PROJECT IS PROVIDING AN AVENUE FOR SOLUTIONS TO AN ALREADY EXISTING PROBLEM THAT IS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
EXCUSE ME, MA'AM UM, I, FROM THIS DISCUSSION, UM, ACTUALLY IN LOOKING AT THE PLANS, I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT A SIDEWALK COULD BE PLACED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN ACCESS DRIVE THAT GETS BACK TO THE APARTMENT AREA THAT, UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, COULD, UM, BE A BENEFIT FOR THE, THE APARTMENT RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING TO HAVE A SAFE WALKING PLACE, BUT, UH, THAT THERE IS ROOM THERE THAT, UH, I THINK THAT IS, WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION.
COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN AND POSSIBLY SURE.
ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WE'LL CALL IT THE MAIN ACCESS DRIVE THAT HAS THE SIGNAL, THERE'S A SPACE THERE, UM, THAT YES, RIGHT THERE THAT, UH, UH, A SIDEWALK COULD BE PLACED THAT GOES UP, THAT CONNECTS INTO THE SIDEWALK SYSTEM AT CLUBHOUSE.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT AS IT COMES THROUGH ON THE DETAILED SIDES, ANYWHERE THAT'S TONED ACTIVITY AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, WHICH I'M SURE THEY ARE.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THE USER'S INTERIOR HERE, INCLUDING HUNTINGTON BANK AND STARBUCKS ARE COUNTING ON THOSE APARTMENTS, BEING POTENTIAL CLIENTS AND TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THEM.
SO ANYTHING TO HAVE THEM HAVE SAFE ACCESS AND DIRECTION.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION AND I LOST IT.
EASY ONES, TWO EASY QUESTIONS.
SCOTT, ON THE OLD TROY PIKE SIDE.
JUST TO CONFIRM IT THERE, THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE A NEW SIDEWALK PUT IN OR THERE WILL NOT BE, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU ASKED, BUT THEN IT SOUNDED LIKE NO, AT ONE POINT THERE WILL BE CORRECT BECAUSE OF THE WIDENING AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF RIGHT.
OF WAY DEDICATION, UH, THAT HAS TO BE MOVED BACK.
BUT THE NEW ONE WILL HAVE, WELL, WIDEN THE ROAD AND THEN A NEW SIDEWALK.
THERE WILL BE SIDEWALK ALONG THE WHOLE FRONTAGE THERE.
IF THEY ARE ABLE TO KEEP A PORTION THAT'S THERE NOW THAT IS NOT IN DISREPAIR, THEN YES.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT, BUT THERE, THERE WILL BE FULL SIDEWALK SECTION ALONG BOTH FRONTAGES.
SO, AND THEN SINCE WE'VE TALKED PLENTY
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ABOUT OUR PLANS WITH THIS TRAFFIC AND WHATNOT OUT HERE, DO WE HAVE A COMMITMENT OR A PLAN OF ENFORCEMENT IN THE AREA TO GET PEOPLE TO QUIT BLOCKING THE INTERSECTIONS INSTEAD OF PUTTING A SIGN UP THERE, START HANDING OUT SOME TICKETS POSSIBLY.I MEAN, HALF THE TROUBLE OF THIS TRAFFIC FLOW WE ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THAT PEOPLE TRY TO CAMP OUT AND BLOCK THE LIGHT OR THEY DON'T DRIVE THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WE CAN COMMIT TO FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, TO HELP WITH THAT ON TOP OF JUST PLEASE FOLLOW THIS? SO I WILL TELL YOU IF, UM, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED AND WE HAD A TOWN HALL REGARDING TRAFFIC AND SPEEDING, AND THE, A IDEA WAS BROUGHT UP THERE AND IT WAS DISCUSSED AT A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND WILL BE DISCUSSED AGAIN DURING THE BUDGETING PROCESS, THAT THERE IS A, UH, A DESIRE FOR A TRAFFIC UNIT WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT, THAT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WOULD BE A DEDICATED PERSONNEL FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, ALSO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS JUST FILLED SOME UNFUNDED POSITIONS FROM THE PAST AND HAVE HAD SOME RETIREMENTS THAT THEY FILLED.
UM, SO WE'RE FINALLY BACK UP TO OUR FULL ALLOCATED NUMBERS.
SO, UM, THEY DO BEETS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, SO YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY MORE DEDICATED TO EACH BEAT THAN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND THOSE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING ON.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
JAN, THE CENSUS WAS JUST A DISCUSSION.
I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE BACK TO THE TABLE PART.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP THESE THREE CASES SUFFERING AT THE SAME TIME.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. FUCK.
HOW'S THAT LOOK FOR YOU? THAT'S GREAT.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD A NUMBER NINE TO THE DECISION RECORD THAT A SIDEWALK SHALL BE EXTENDED FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION TO THE MULTIFAMILY AREA.
SIDEWALK SHALL BE EXTENDED FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT OLD TROY PIKE TO THE MULTIFAMILY AREA.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, AN OLD TROY PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 25 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD ATTACHED AS AMENDED BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MS. VARGAS? YES, YES, YES, YES.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A FINAL PLAT.
THE APPLICANT BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR BROAD RANGE REALTY ZONING CASE 21 DASH 26.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS IN THIS PROCESS IS TO SEPARATE THE LOTS THEMSELVES, AND ALSO TO DEDICATE THE ACCESS DRIVES IN THE UTILITY EASEMENTS FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT.
CURRENTLY, THIS IS TWO PARCELS AND WHERE THOSE LOT LINES BETWEEN THE TWO DOESN'T LINE UP WITH WHERE, UH, DRIVEWAYS OR WHERE NEW LOTS WOULD BE.
SO THIS WOULD RESET THOSE LINES TO CREATE THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT WOULD BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, ALSO SHOWN ON THERE IS EACH OF THE ACCESS POINTS WOULD HAVE A DEDICATED ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC THEMSELVES ALSO ON HERE IS THE, UH, VACATION OF, UH, HUMOR ROAD, UH, THAT SHOWN ON THERE.
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THE, UH, ONE PORTION THAT, UH, UM, I HAVE, UH, REQUESTED TO ADD TO THE DECISION RECORD, UH, ONE IS, UH, THIS APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO THE VACATION OF HUMOR ROAD.AND THEN ALSO ON NUMBER THREE, THAT EASEMENTS SHALL BE ADDED TO PARCEL TWO, WHICH IS THE MULTI-FAMILY AREA FOR THE PUBLIC UTILITY EXTENSIONS.
SO ANYWHERE THERE'S A PUBLIC, UH, WATER OR SEWER THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, THAT THOSE BE PLACED IN WITHIN UTILITIES MONTHS, UM, EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY WOULD COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THERE'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IN THE FUTURE, THERE MAY BE A REPLANT THAT COMES FORWARD IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A LINE MOVE OR MORE, UH, EASEMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, WITH EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT, LIKE TEST TOLEDO AGAIN, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION OR KIND OF COMMENT ABOUT THE VACATION.
IF YOU BORROWED, WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE CITY THAT IT MIGHT BE, UH, AN A TO EXPEDITE IT AND TO HAVE THE PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING WITH HOW LEGALLY IT HAS WORKED, WHICH IS WAY ABOVE MY HEAD, UM, THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN IN TWO PARTS WHERE THE PORTION IN THE, WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO GO AND THEN THE PARK, HOW TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY LINE TO, UH, PIKES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS DECISION OR THAT COULD BE HANDLED SEPARATELY, UM, FOR THIS PLANT.
I DON'T THINK, UM, THE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE VACATION, IF YOU ERODE, DOESN'T SAY HOW MUCH, IF YOU WERE ROAD.
SO IF IT IS DONE IN SEPARATE PIECES, THAT'LL BE OKAY.
BUT, UH, IT JUST, UH, YOU CAN'T BUILD A BUILDING ACROSS WHERE THAT RIGHT AWAY IS.
WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, IN VACATING, THIS HUBER ROAD, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, DOING IT IN PARTS SO THAT STARBUCKS AND THE BANK STILL HAVE A ROAD TO COME OUT ON.
SO, SO, UH, PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION OF HOW THAT WORKS, THAT, UH, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM MOVE THAT ROADWAY UNTIL THEY HAVE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT UNTIL THE NEW DRIVE IS IN.
SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PHASING OF HOW THINGS GO.
SO EVEN IF ON PAPER, THE ROAD HAS BEEN VACATED, WE WILL NOT LET THEM REMOVE THE PAVEMENT UNTIL THOSE NEW ACCESS POINTS ARE IN PLACE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? YES, SIR.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT IT'S GOT TO TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN TERMS OF THE WAY WE, THE SEQUENCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO IS AS THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD COME IN, DO ALL THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE WORK.
THAT'D BE ALL THE ACCESS ROADS, ALL OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OUT ON AN OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.
AND THEN AT THE SAME EITHER, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE LATTER HALF OF THAT WORK, THAT'S IN CONCEPTUALLY, THEN YOUR USERS WOULD START TO COME IN AND START TO DO THEIR PAD DEVELOPMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOMESTEAD, YOU KNOW, WOULD COME IN AND START BUILDING, UM, THEIR HOMES.
CAUSE I HAVE TO, AS THE DEVELOPER, I HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY TAKE POSSESSION.
AND THAT'S WHERE IN THE MULTIFAMILY PIECE, IN THE DECISION RECORD, UM, IT DID HAVE THE PART ABOUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS DO HAVE TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE THEY CAN GET THEIR OCCUPANCY.
THEY CAN START BUILDING BUILDINGS, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, IF THAT LIGHTS UP, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, AND AS WE TALKED TO THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE COMPLETE BEFORE WE START PUTTING MORE CARS ON THE ROAD AND YOU'LL SEE SIMILAR LANGUAGE IN EACH FUTURE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COMES THROUGH MS. HALL.
WHAT IS THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON STARTING THIS PROJECT? LET'S SAY WE APPROVE EVERYTHING TONIGHT AND IT GOES THERE.
WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE ARE WE LOOKING AT TO ACTUALLY SEEK DIRT TURNED AND, AND TREES COMING DOWN AND ALL THAT.
AND IF I MAY, I'LL LET THEM GET SOME BETTER.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO START AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S JUST HAVING TEJAS FOR US TO GET GOING ON THE PROJECT, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO, RIGHT.
WE STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE OURSELVES ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN FOR A DETAILED
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DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE 11,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BROADREACH IS GOING TO DO.
AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT STILL HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, IT COULD BE OUR GOAL IS WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR IS THAT WE START, YOU KNOW, JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, IT WOULDN'T BE BECAUSE, AND IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET IT DONE EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE THAT QUICK.
I MEAN, REALISTICALLY TO, UH, HAVE A PAVING PROJECT LIKE THIS WITH THE WIDE MAIN, UH, BEFORE THE ASPHALT PLANTS CLOSE, I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY TIGHT.
MR. JEFFRIES, DO WE HAVE, OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE SINCE WE'RE VACATING THE ROAD TO WHERE WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MAINTENANCE, THAT IF THERE IS ANY DETERIORATION IN THE MEANTIME OR POTHOLE THAT SHOWS UP THAT'S NEEDS FIXED ON IT? I MEAN, GRANTED, IF WE'RE TEARING THE ROAD OUT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THERE MIGHT BE A SMALL DAY NEAR THERE, BUT I'M TALKING IF WE HAVE SOMETHING MAJOR THAT NEEDS TO FIX THE, WHERE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, DOES THAT GET OUTLINED THAT COMES WITH THE ACTUAL VACATION? UH, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PLANT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR BROAD REACH RAILEY ZONING CASE 21 DASH 26 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2021, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED AS AMENDED MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS UP THE SECRETARY? YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
LET'S UH, LET'S MOVE BACK TO OUR, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS SEVEN A THE FINAL PLAT, THE APPLICANT.
IT'S BEEN SEVEN B THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 7.53, THREE ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 24.
UM, IF I MAY I'VE, AS I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, I'VE GOT, HAD A COUPLE IDEAS, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
UM, IF WE'RE DOWN TO PARKING, UM, IS IF THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE ON THE TABLE, I HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT, UH, I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS OF WHERE IT NEEDS TO GET TO, UM, THE, I KNOW THE FIRE ACCESS WAS BROUGHT UP AS WELL.
UM, IF WE LEAVE THAT IN THE HANDS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, UH, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, UM, SO THAT THEY DO A FULL FUNNEL REVIEW, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD THAT THEY MEET ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
UM, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S OTHER ISSUES, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM.
BUT IF THERE'S PARKING, IF, IF THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS THAT, UH, LIKE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UM, THERE'S A, YOU CAN HAVE, WE'LL CALL THEM SOME WIDENED AREAS THAT YOU PUT IN SOME PARALLEL PARKING.
UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS THAT YOU FIT SOME SPACES IN.
IF THERE'S A NUMBER WE CAN GET TO, OR IF SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT, IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, RIGHT.
WELL, I'M GOOD WITH WHAT FLIER HAS TO SAY.
THEY KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO.
SO IF THEY GIVE THE GREEN LIGHT AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME, UH, ON THE PARKING, UH, SOME OF YOU THAT, THAT HAVE HAD ISSUES OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF IT, OF WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH NOW, OR IT'S THE, JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE VERSUS WHAT'S PRESENTED NOW.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO START THE DISCUSSION.
IS IT, IS IT THE ACTUAL NUMBER THEY ARE PRESENTING OR WAS JUST THE DIFFERENCE WITH A PROPOSED OR THEORETICALLY PROPOSED BACK WHATEVER DATE THAT WAS VERSUS WHAT THEY'VE GOT NOW? WELL, FOR ME, IT WAS, IT WAS 104 SPACE EXCEPTION FROM THE CODE AND 120 OF 192 UNITS ARE ONE BEDROOM.
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ALL 120 OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE A SINGLE PERSON, NOT A COUPLE, WHICH, I MEAN, A COUPLE WOULD HAVE TWO VEHICLES.
THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN COMES UP.
WHEN WE SAY ONE PER BED AND THERE'S NO THREE
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BEDROOM UNITS TO INCREASE THAT PER BED COUNT.THEY'RE ALL ONE AND TWO BEDROOM AND ALL OVER WELL, OVER HALF OF THEM BEING ONE BEDROOM.
SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE ONE BEDROOM, BUT IT'S TWO OF US LIVING IN IT, THAT'S TWO VEHICLES.
SO WHERE DO THE CARS END UP GOING IS? AND I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A PRODUCT FOR ME, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PRODUCT WHERE THERE IS A MARKET.
THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT, BUT WE CAN'T GO BACK LATER AND SAY, OH SHOOT, WHY DIDN'T WE REQUIRE MORE PARKING SPACES.
PEOPLE ARE FILLING IN EVERYWHERE, UP ON CURBS AND WHATEVER.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY FOR ME, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THEY HAVE COMPANY, WHERE IS THAT COMPANY GOING TO PARK? IF THE COMPANY STAYS THE NIGHT, ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE UP THE SPACE OF ANOTHER RESIDENT WHO IS COMING IN LATE AND NEEDING TO PARK, AND NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK NEAR THEIR APARTMENT AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE A HIKE IN THE DARK.
SO HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED IN THE PARKING SPACES THAT YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE TWO AND THE ONE BEDROOM AND WE'RE MAKING THE EXCEPTION, IS IT ENOUGH FOR THE OVERFLOW OF VISITORS THAT MAY STAY OVERNIGHT AND TAKE UP A PARKING SPACE OR EVEN HANG OUT FOR HALF A DAY? RIGHT.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR SCOTT'S IDEAS ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
MS. HALL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MINE GOES ALONG WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
UM, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES GET ALONG THAT WAY, UM, THEY NEVER CAME IN AS FAR AS I WAS PRESENCE ON THE BOARD.
THEY NEVER CAME IN FRONT OF ME BEFORE, SO I NEVER HAD A VOTE ON THAT.
UM, PERSONALLY, UM, I KNOW SO MANY OF THEM THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, MOST OF THEM WERE COUPLES THAT LIVE THERE AND THEY EACH HAVE A CAR, YOU KNOW? UM, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF SINGLES.
I'M SURE TOO, BUT, UH, I JUST QUESTIONED THE PARKING.
I STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN WE'RE FINISHED WITH THIS DISCUSSION, I HOPE THAT WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO TELL THEM THAT IF YOU DO THIS AND WE'RE GOOD BECAUSE JUST TO TELL THEM, NO, GO AWAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S TRUE IN THAT TONIGHT.
SO IF WE JUST HAVE A PLAN FOR THEM.
SOUNDS GOOD, MR.
BUT, UH, THERE ALSO IS THE EXTERIOR LOOP THAT HAS, AND PART OF IT IS, UM, INTO WE'LL CALL IT BUFFER AREA, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, BUT AMONG A COUPLE OF THEM, THEY ARE SIMILAR USES.
SO, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, THE, NOT NECESSARILY THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE BUFFER THAT YOU COULD WIDEN THAT PAVEMENT AREA.
AND PUT, AS I SAID, LIKE PARALLEL PARKING AREAS, ALL ALONG SOME OF THOSE SIDE AREAS THAT, UH, UM, COULD GO THROUGH.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, I'M NOT SURE THAT, UM, I COULD FIND 104 SPACES, UM, BUT MORE SPACES.
AND IF, UH, THAT IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, THAT OPTIONS TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY SAID, IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS THE LAST THING THAT'S HOLDING UP A POTENTIAL OF MOVING FORWARD, UM, YOU COULD A TABLE TO COME BACK AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR BE COME UP WITH A NUMBER SAYING YOU, UH, WE NEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S SOME OF THOSE INTERIOR AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M COUNTING JUST, YOU KNOW, EASILY 10, UM, WITH THAT.
AND THEN WITH SOME PARALLEL AREAS COULD GET SEVERAL ALONG EACH LINE, UM, WHERE WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE TREES WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THE AESTHETICS OF THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE IF WE DO WIDEN SOME OF THESE TO PUT THESE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES IN, UM, ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT WILL LIMIT VEGETATION,
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UM, AND AROUND THOSE EDGES.SO, UM, IT'S, WE'LL SAY IT'S, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT.
UM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE AT A, AN EXACT THAT NO ONE COULD EVER COME VISIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I, I TRULY DON'T THINK ADDING 104 SPACES IS, UM, UH, BENEFICIAL TO PROJECT.
SO SOMEWHERE IN, OKAY, SCOTT, YOU HAD SAID PARK VIEW AND WATERSTONE ARE PARKED AT ONE PER BED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL KNOW, BUT IN THIS CASE WE'RE TALKING 65% OF THE UNITS BEING ONE BEDROOM.
DO WE KNOW ROUGHLY CAUSE WATERSTONE AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS ALSO, CORRECT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THREE BEDROOM OR DO THEY OFFER SOME THREE BEDROOM? IS THAT SKEWS THE PER BED NUMBER? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE SPLIT, BUT I KNOW THERE WERE SOME THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
WE THINK THAT THERE'S 50%, ONE BEDROOM IN BOTH OF THOSE, IF, I GUESS THAT MIGHT BE, UM, CLOSE TO IT 1% EITHER WAY.
I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW WHAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BECAUSE HERE WE'RE TALKING 65% OF THEM BE IN ONE BEDROOM, THE RECIPE AND TWO BEDROOM, WE HAVE NO THREE BEDROOMS OFF SET.
THE ONE PER BED IS I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH, CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE AT PARKVIEW.
HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE AT WATERSTONE, BUT ARE WE TALKING APPLES TO APPLES? ARE WE CLOSE? IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
THE, ONE OF THE REASONS, JUST A TREND STANDPOINT THAT YOU HAVE, WE'RE NOT SEEING MUCH.
AND I BELIEVE THOSE TWO PROPERTIES, WHICH I, I DO CONCUR ARE, ARE CLOSE.
IF NOT 50 NORTH, JUST ON THE ONES BY WAY, IS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE SINGLE, WHO ARE DIVORCED ARE MOVING INTO TWO BEDROOMS. SO YOU DO HAVE AN OFFSET WHERE YOU HAVE SINGLE SINGLE PARENTS WHOSE KIDS WILL COME AND VISIT, OR KIDS WHO HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE OR TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE DOING THAT.
SO THERE'S A PRETTY STRONG OFFSET OF THAT.
WE'RE SEEING A REALLY BIG PUSH FROM A LEASING STANDPOINT, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING THAT EXTRA ROOM, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'VE GOT THE ROOM FOR IT.
THERE AGAIN IS LED BY EMPTY-NESTERS OR DIVORCEES.
SO THAT DOES HELP OFFSET FROM SCOTT'S, UM, IDEAS AND TO, TO SET A FUNCTION OF REALITY IN THAT WEREN'T REAL.
THAT WAS NOT A GREAT WAY TO SAY THAT SCOTT, UM, IS IF I WERE TO LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT A FEW SPACES ON THE PLAN, AS OF RIGHT NOW TO PICK THEM UP AND DENSIFY, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN THE REALM OF 18 TO 22 SPACES.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE INTENT OF THE ZONING CODE TO PARK ON WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH END OR THE EAST SIDE.
I THINK A STRONG BUFFER WOULD BE WANTED THERE BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I DO THINK ON THE NORTH SIDE TO PARALLEL THAT AND CUT INTO THAT BUFFER, BEING THAT IT BACKS UP TO A COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE MORE OUR RISK AS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER.
SO I DO BELIEVE ON THE LONG MAT, WE COULD CERTAINLY FIT SOME PARALLELS, UM, ADDITIONAL TO THAT, THE RELOCATION OF THE POOL TO THE SOUTH AND PUSHING THAT POTENTIALLY REORIENTING IT, SUCH THAT IT AS NORTH SOUTH WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME HEAD-IN PARKING WHERE THE POOL IS CURRENTLY.
AND THEN ALONGSIDE THE ENTRY DRIVE, LET'S SEE BEHIND WHAT IS BUILDING ONE.
WE DON'T HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S SPACE FOR MORE SPACES THERE, BUT TO, TO JUST SET A, IF WE FIND MORE SPACE UNDERSTANDING IN THAT REALM OF WHAT I THINK IS ACHIEVABLE, UM, WITHOUT TAKING AWAY THE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL BUFFER, I DO THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE REALM OF PLUS OR MINUS 20 SPACES.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REORIENTING THE, UH, THE DIRECTION OF THE POOL TO CREATE SPACES.
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD FIT WITHOUT DISRUPTING TOO MUCH OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
I THINK IT WOULD, AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, STILL BE SOUTH FACING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS HANG OUT AT NORTH FACING POOL, BUT I LIKE TANS, SO IT WOULD WORK.
AND SORRY, BACK TO THE FIRE ENGINEER, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A CONTINGENCY THAT THE FIRE ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON ANY, ANY ACCESS.
I MEAN, WE WILL FOLLOW THEIR LEAD.
SO WHERE ARE WE AT ON THE PARKING AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE AT EASE.
I GUESS MY THING IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE AS MANY AS WE CAN WITHOUT TIGHTENING UP ALL THE SPACES AND MAKING A DOOR EVERYBODY'S BUMPING DOORS EVERY TIME I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE SOLUTION.
WE WANT THEM TO ABLE TO GET GROCERIES AND KIDS
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OUT WITHOUT DINGING THE NEIGHBOR'S CAR DOOR EVERY TIME.I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE, I SHOULD'VE BROUGHT THAT UP.
I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION OF LIKE, LET'S FIND A WAY TO FIT THEM IN.
UM, I THINK IF THERE'S A PLACE FOR PARALLEL PARKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT IS OVERFLOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS WHAT THAT IS FOR INSTEAD OF IT BEING, BECAUSE IT WON'T BE USED ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO CHOOSE TO PARK THERE.
I DON'T THINK IF REGULAR PARKING IS AVAILABLE AROUND THE POOL, IF WE REORIENT THE POOL AND GET SOME PARKING IN THERE AND COULD EVEN BE VISITOR PARKING.
AND IF SOMEBODY COMES BY, THEY PARK THERE AND WALK ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WILL HELP.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT I, TO ME, WHEN I GOT THE PACKET AND YESTERDAY AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBER VERSUS WHAT WAS SAID, 104 SEEMED LIKE A VERY LARGE EXCEPTION FOR US NOT TO DISCUSS THAT AS AN EXCEPTION AT THE TIME MS. THOMAS, I AGREE WITH JIM.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT, UM, LISTENING TO US AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ASK IS, IS TRY TO MAXIMIZE WHAT YOU CAN TO MAKE IT WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS.
WE ARE HERE TO HELP THE RESIDENTS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOUR GOAL IS TO, UM, SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION FOR NOT ONLY HUBER, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE LIVING IN THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SITTING UP HERE AND UM, SO WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
GETTING THAT NUMBER RIGHT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS VITAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE, WE WOULDN'T PRESENT WHAT WE DIDN'T THINK WAS RIGHT.
AND, AND TAKING THIS YING AND YANG INTO EFFECT, OF COURSE, BUT I MEAN THE BLUNT FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT IF WE CAN'T PARK PARKING LEADS, EVERYTHING, WE ARE STILL OHIO.
WE WERE, UH, A BEARD DRIVE, A BEER-DRINKING CAR DRIVING BAND, WATCHING STATE, RIGHT IN THAT, IT'S JUST, WE KNOW THAT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH US THROUGH THIS THIS EVENING.
UM, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LOT FOR ON BOTH SIDES, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN RESOLVE THIS PARKING MATTER.
SO WE'RE STILL BACK TO, OR ARE WE GOING TO PUT OUT A NUMBER FOR THEM TO TRY TO MEET? ARE WE GOING TO TABLE THIS TO SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE? I WOULD RATHER HAVE COME UP WITH A NUMBER AND THEN GO FROM THERE AND VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.
AND I'LL THROW OUT ANOTHER OPTION.
UM, IS, AND I'LL COME UP WITH WHAT THE WORDING IS, BUT UH, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES SHALL INCREASE PERCENTAGE.
UM, LET'S SAY AT A MINIMUM OF 20 SPACES, BUT MORE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.
IF, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO THROW IT BACK TO STAFF, TO TRY TO GET AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, BUT THROW A MINIMUM NUMBER THAT THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST THIS, BUT RIGHT.
LET'S STILL MEET PARKING CODE MINIMUM.
CAUSE I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I GO, WE'LL GLADLY HOLD OURSELVES LIABLE TO THAT.
I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED CAR DINGS.
I THINK IT'S 20 A REALISTIC NUMBER.
I MEAN IT'S 28, A REALISTIC MINIMUM TO SET THAT THEY CAN GET TO WITHOUT DEVIATING FROM EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
YOU'VE PENCILED REAL QUICK TOO.
DO YOU HAVE A WAY TO SHOW THIS OR KIND OF PASS IT AROUND OR SURE.
MAY I APPROACH APPROACH THE BENCH? WELL, OKAY.
SO EACH PERSON, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HEAD IN HERE.
I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR ACROSS THERE.
THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING WITH.
ISN'T THAT COME THROUGH THE DOG PARK, THE FIRE ACCESS.
YOU JUST SAID, LET ME SHOW YOU THE ONE THAT'S MORE ACCURATE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THAT'S SO YOU CAN GO INTO THE PARKING LOT.
SO I DIDN'T MEAN NO DISCUSSION.
SO THAT IS THE, THAT IS WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW IN THE FIRE.
SO THE PLANS OUTDATE EACH OTHER SLIGHTLY.
ONE MORE HERE, HERE, HAIR HERE.
PARALLEL PLAYER WITH ADDED POTENTIAL, BUT I THINK I GET FIRE.
SO I DO THINK TWENTIES ACHIEVABLE AND I THINK EXCEEDING TWENTIES, THIS
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IS CURRENTLY WHERE WE COULD ADD ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE,I MEAN, DO YOU THINK 20 IS DOABLE WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YES.
WE HAVE ONE, A FOUR PERSON WATCHING AND THEN I BELIEVE ABOUT 10 HEARING EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY 20TH ACHIEVABLE.
PARKING SHALL BE INCREASED BY A MINIMUM OF 20 SPACES IN ANY MORE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE SUBJECT TO THE PARKING CODE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT ABOUT CAUSE OF ACTION AND APPROVE A SIX FOOT WIDE PARKING SPACE.
GOOD WITH THAT BICYCLE PARKING.
WE'RE ALL GOOD AT BICYCLE PARKING, JESSICA.
UM, SINCE WE'VE OPENED THIS BACK UP, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ZONING CASE 2124 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 19TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS UP SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES.
WE CELEBRATION MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS AND REESE SUBMITTALS BEFORE PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL, UH, BUSINESS.
WE DO HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE MINUTES ARE ATTACHED.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW, MR.
UM, WE HAVE A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ONE OF THE LOTS, UM, THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE REDWOOD APARTMENTS THAT MR. CONAWAY TALKED ABOUT.
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RED BUCKEYE DRIVE THERE, UH, REDWOOD APARTMENTS.IT'S THAT BILLER PIECE WE'LL CALL IT.
THAT'S THE TWO ITEMS YOU WANT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. OH, GO AHEAD.
SO IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO PLAY SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TO GET A PICTORIAL AUDIT OF THE HEUER CENTER, PUD, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I KNOW ONE WAS A ZONING CASE, 1940, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A WHILE BACK THERE WAS ALSO TIED.
I DON'T KNOW THE ZONING CASE NUMBER TO THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE SIGNAGE ON THE BRAND PIKE SIDE.
BUT IF WE COULD GET AN UPDATE WITH PICTURES OF THE UNIT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE HAD 12 MONTHS IN WE'RE 18 MONTHS OUT ALSO.
I WON'T BE AT THE NEXT, YEAH, I WON'T BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT I CAN WATCH THE VIDEO IF YOU GUYS DO IT.
OR IF I CAN SAY, HEY, WE'LL GIVE STAFF AN EXTRA TWO WEEKS TO COMPLETE IT.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S A MEETING YOU'D LIKE TO BE AT.
I WON'T BE AT THE NEXT MEETING EITHER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR IT'S JUST BECAUSE I HAVE AN EVENT SCHEDULED ALREADY THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE SEVENTH AND NOT THE 14 SHOW.
YOU'RE BOTH OUT THE SAME MEETING.
SO WE'RE BOTH OUT FOR THE NEXT WEEK.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE SEVENTH AND NOT THE 14TH.
HIS CONCERN IS YOU BRING IT TO THE FOLLOWING, THE MEETING.
WHAT? MY CONCERN IS THE OTHER HYGIENISTS.
WELL LOOK AT TOMORROW AS A POSSIBILITY.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER DAY THAT WE CAN RESCHEDULE TO HAVE A FULL, BECAUSE THESE NEXT TWO CASES ARE IMPORTANT CASES THAT I, I WOULD LIKE AS MUCH INPUT.
I'LL BE GONE THE NINTH THROUGH THE 18TH.
I MEAN, YEAH, JUST THE 14TH IS NOT A GOOD, OKAY.
I DO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT ON THE NINTH AT FIVE.
IT MAY TAKE AN HOUR, BUT UM, WE'LL LOOK AT CALENDARS AND SCHEDULES AND AVAILABILITY OF ROOMS AND SEE IF WE CAN TRY TO RESCHEDULE IT.
I REALLY THOUGHT THE MEETING WAS ON THE SEVENTH AND I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR WHEN THE LIBRARY COMES.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YET.
OH, WE HAVE RENDERINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND UM, BUT NOTHING'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, SO THE, THE PROCESS ON THAT IS TWOFOLD.
ONE, THE WHOLE AREA WOULD NEED REZONED AND THEN THERE'LL BE A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE LIBRARY ITSELF.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE? THANK YOU.
WE GOOD? WE'LL HAVE THREE NEXT OR OUR NEXT MEETING AND YOU SAY YOU MIGHT RESCHEDULE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING.