Aug 17, 2021 Council Work Session

GOOD EVENING.

UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, SO I'LL BE BRIEF, UH, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES, UM, ON SOME PROJECTS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I GUESS, UH, OH, GAVE US A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THAT DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BE EXACTLY CORRECT.

UH, THE, UH, CHAMBERSBURG ROAD OVER ROUTE FOUR IS NOT OPEN YET.

UM, AS WE WERE HOPING THAT IT WOULD BE OPENED LAST FRIDAY, UM, THEY, THE CONTRACTOR IS SAYING, UH, AUGUST 27TH IS THE, UH, THE DATE THAT THEY'RE PUSHING FORWARD TO HAVE EVERYTHING OPEN.

SO THE BRIDGE AND ALL THE RAMPS ITSELF.

SO WE'LL HOLD UP, KEEP YOU UP TO DATE IF THEY CAN, UH, GET THROUGH THAT A LITTLE QUICKER, BUT ALSO STILL THE WEATHER DEPENDENCE.

UM, ALSO THE WATER LINE, UH, THE LINING PROJECT THAT IS, UH, GOING ON, UH, BASCOM AND CLAY BECK ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE AND, UH, THEY'RE, UH, WRAPPING THAT PART UP, BUT SO, AND STARTING TOMORROW, OR THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY STARTED LONGFORD AND, UH, CLIFFORD CLIFFWOOD, UM, THOSE ARE THE NEXT PIECES TO BE DONE IN THAT WHOLE PROJECT SHOULD BE DONE IN ABOUT TWO TO THREE WEEKS.

SO, UM, AND THEN BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, UH, JUST SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG, THEY ARE LOOKING TO BE PAVING ON THURSDAY AND HOPEFULLY OPEN FRIDAY OR MONDAY, PUSH THEM.

RUSS.

WHAT ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT? GOTCHA.

I HAVE ONE JUST AS A FOLLOWUP BACKUP FROM, UM, THE LAST THING WE HAD REGARDING TRASH SERVICE.

DO YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY SENT OUT THAT LETTER? I MEAN, ARE WE GOOD NOW I'M SEEING SOME BILLS THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ARE STARTING TO COME THAT HAVE CREDITS ON THEM WHERE THEY WERE OVERPAID AND THEY'RE GETTING SOME CREDITS BACK NOW.

SO AT LEAST THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A LOOP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO HOW ABOUT THAT LETTER THAT WE FROM THEM THAT SAYS, THIS IS IT WE KNOW WHAT'S WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON FROM THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ANYBODY TO SAY THEY'VE RECEIVED IT YET.

UM, SO I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

UM, BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, PHONE CALLS HERE AT CITY HALL HAVE BEEN A LOT LIGHTER.

SO, UM, PEOPLE ARE GETTING BETTER INFORMATION.

I KNOW THERE'S STILL TIMES WHEN PEOPLE CALL, THEY MAY NOT BE GETTING, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY THEY'RE EXPECTING, BUT IT'S IMPROVED AND I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

UM, AND IT'S GETTING BETTER.

SO, OKAY.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST PASS ALONG, UH, FROM COUNSEL THAT THOSE LETTERS THAT THEY PROMISED THEY WOULD SEND THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THEIR SCREENS.

WHEN A HEBREW RIGHTS RESIDENT CALLED TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT SPECIFICALLY WAS THE NUMBERS AND OUR CONTRACT WAS THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, REGARDLESS IF THERE'S ONE CALL A WEEK OR 10 CALLS, WE'RE A HUNDRED.

THEY HAVE TO GET THAT UP.

AND YOU GO TO QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT.

UH,

[ Increase Not to Exceed Amount - Crown Lift Trucks - Public Works Division]

LET'S SEE.

SO NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE INCREASED NOT TO EXCEED THEM OUT FOR THE CROWN LIFT TRUCKS THROUGH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION.

UH, I'LL TAKE THAT TONIGHT.

UH, UM, MR. GRAY, COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.

UH, BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT, UH, HE HAD COME FORWARD FOR A, THE PURCHASE OF A FORKLIFT, UM, AND THE INITIAL REQUESTS, UH, THAT HE ASKED FOR, THEY FOUND OUT THERE'S LARGER DELIVERY COSTS THAN WHAT HE ORIGINALLY HAD ANTICIPATED.

SO THIS REQUEST IS TO INCREASE IT, UH, TO A, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $29,600.

SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $600 FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.

SO, UM, HIS REQUEST IS, UH, THIS BE, UH, TO, UM, AMEND THE RESOLUTION, THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION AND MOVE FORWARD.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE 2022 SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT.

UM, THIS SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO A COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY? OKAY.

MOVING ON TO MONDAY,

[ 2022 Sidewalk Program - Resolution of Necessity]

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THE RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY, RUSS.

UM, WHAT THIS IS, IS NEXT.

YEAR'S THE 2022 SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

UH, THIS LEGISLATION WILL ALLOW US TO SEND OUT THE LETTERS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED THIS YEAR, AND IT WILL NOTIFY THEM THAT THEY HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST TO DO THE WORK THEMSELVES BY GETTING A BONDED CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK, OR, UH, THEY WILL, UH, BE ALLOWED TO NOT DO ANYTHING AND WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR AND WE'LL HAVE THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND DO THE WORK IF THEY DON'T DO IT.

UM, THIS IS A TYPICAL LEGISLATION WE DO EVERY YEAR.

UM, THE PROGRAM THIS YEAR IS BETWEEN TAYLORSVILLE AND LONGFORD, JUST EAST OF HARSHMAN BILL.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, SAME QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION REGARDING WHERE WORK THIS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW? UM, WITH ALL THE METRO NET STUFF GOING ON.

UM, AND THEY HAVE CATFISH PRETTY TORN UP.

ARE WE STILL PLANNING ON DOING THE ROAD WORK THERE THIS YEAR? WE'RE AT KENTRIDGE, SOUTH OR EAST OF BELFAST.

WE'VE ON THE SCHEDULE.

IT'S ON A SCHEDULE.

AS I'M IN THREE D, WHICH IS A JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY RECORD, SCOTT, I GUESS THAT THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO ADD, UH, THE JUNE 19 JUNE TEAM, SINCE IT IS NOW BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, UM, TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS A CITY HOLIDAY AS WELL.

ONE THING, JUST TO NOTE THAT THERE IS A REVISED EXHIBIT A FROM WHICH WAS SEEN IN THE PACKET AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, EXHIBIT EIGHT WAS REVISED TO INCLUDE THE STREET ADDRESSES AS WELL AS THE STREET NAMES.

UM, SO ON MONDAY, YOU'LL SEE THAT REVISED EXHIBIT EIGHT.

IT'S NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEYOND BEING MORE CLEAR ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY ADDRESSES ON THE STREETS AND THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

EXCEPT

[ Juneteenth Holiday Recognition]

SO THE REQUEST IS TO ADD THIS INTO OUR, UH, AGREEMENTS AND, UH, PERSONNEL MANUAL THAT STARTING IN 2022, THAT IT'S RECOGNIZED AS A, AN OFFICIAL HOLIDAY PAID HOLIDAY FOR THE CITY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT? YES.

SCOTT IS THIS SUPPORTED BY STAFF IS THE RECOMMENDATION NOT TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK HERE.

THIS IS SUPPORTED BY EVERYBODY THAT, UH, HAD THE, FROM COMMISSIONS AND FROM STAFF.

BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD OF A STAFF MEMBER THAT IS AGAINST ANOTHER HOLIDAY.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

THANK YOU, MARY.

AT LEAST WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

HEY GUYS, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

MA'AM UM, SCOTT, I KNOW, UH, MANY EMPLOYERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, UM, ARE PROVIDING THEIR EMPLOYEES, UM, WHAT IS CALLED.

SOME OF THEM HAVE DEEMED IT DIFFERENT NAMES, A CULTURAL CELEBRATION DAY.

UH, SO IN MOST EMPLOYERS PROVIDE, UM, PERSONAL TIME, VACATION TIME, UH, OCCASIONAL ABSENCE, TIME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, THIS WAS THE DAY THAT, UH, SOME EMPLOYERS HAVE SET ASIDE THAT EMPLOYEES CAN TAKE, UM, A HALF A DAY TO A FULL DAY, UM, AND GO TO A CULTURAL CELEBRATION EVENT THAT REPRESENTS THEIR RELIGIOUS OR CULTURAL BELIEFS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, HAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE, UM, LOOKED INTO OR POSSIBLY CAN LOOK INTO TO SEE IF I'M AT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL HERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WORKS WITH, WITH OUR EMPLOYEE STAFF.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL.

SO, UM, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ENOUGH, EVEN OTHER COMPANIES DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL.

I MEAN, I, I DO KNOW, UH, SPEAKING OF ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES, A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY, MY, MY DAY JOB EMPLOYER, UM, HAS, HAS DONE THAT THIS YEAR FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

I'M NOT JUST HERE IN THE DAYTON MARKET, BUT THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY GOOD.

AND, UM, AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER, UM, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS HAVE FALLEN SUIT WITH THAT AS WELL.

UM, I DO KNOW SOME, UH, MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, UH, SCATTERED HAVE, HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT.

UM, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND SOME OF THAT INFORMATION YOUR WAY.

UM, BUT I THINK AS A COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO AS THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CULTURALS AND, AND, AND CELEBRATION DAYS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UH, THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT EMPLOYEE, THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND DO THAT AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE THEIR PERSONAL TIME OR VACATION TIME TO DO SUCH.

MA'AM.

AND COMING BACK TO A COUNCIL, SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION, OR AT LEAST INFORMATION ON WHERE TO GO FROM THERE, GET AN OBJECTION TO THAT.

SO I THINK, UM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, TO SCOTT LOOKING INTO THAT

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SO THEN, UH, BACK TO THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM HERE ON THE, UM, THE JUNETEENTH, JUNE 19TH RECOGNITION, UH, ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THAT DAMN OBJECTIONS TO MOVE THAT ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING.

THREE, WHICH IS, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS.

NEXT IS ITEM

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

MR. BELL, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I HAVE BEFORE YOU JUST A FEW ITEMS, UH, TONIGHT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, ONE, UH, IF YOU WERE NOT FORMALLY OR PREVIOUSLY AWARE, WE DID RECEIVE SOME, UH, FEMA GRANT FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $56,650 AND 88 CENTS.

AND, UH, THOSE EXPENSES WERE, UH, FIRE EXPENSES.

SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, RECOGNIZE THOSE, UH, FUNDS AND FEMA GRANT FUND, AND THEN TRANSFER THOSE FUNDS OVER TO THE FIRE FUND TO REIMBURSE THE EXPENSES FOR, UH, OVERTIME THAT WERE SPENT, UH, FOR THE, THE ONES THAT WERE DEPLOYED DOWN TO HELPING OUT WITH THE FLORIDA CONDO, UM, COLLAPSE THAT HAPPENED A MONTH OR TWO AGO.

UM, THAT'S ONE ITEM AND THEN, UH, $16,001 FOR A RETIREMENT PAYOUT THAT WAS, UH, UH, NOT BUDGETED FOR, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT PRIOR TO, UH, SETTING UP THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND THEN A $28,650 WILL BE OUR FIRST DEBT PAYMENT ON THE NEW ENERGY LEASE FOR THE, UH, UH, FIRE PORTION.

UM, AS, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE AGENDA, WE HAVE, UM, THE FIRE LEASE, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL LEASE, UH, FOR THE ENERGY LEASE.

UH, IT NEEDS TO BE SEPARATED.

AND SO THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE DEBT PAYMENT ON THAT.

AND, UH, SINCE I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A SUPPLEMENTAL, I THOUGHT WE KNEW THAT WAS COMING UP.

WE DIDN'T KNOW IT AT THE START OF THE YEAR.

SO WE NEEDED TO ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET THAT'S COMING UP.

THAT PAYMENT WILL BE DUE IN OCTOBER.

THANK YOU, JIM.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.

WOULD APPRECIATE IF THAT COULD BE PASSED ON MONDAY.

I THINK TONY USUALLY TAKES CARE OF THAT.

LET'S JUST WAIT A SECOND, WAIT A SECOND.

READING AND ADOPTING A MONDAY.

[ County Assessments Authorization]

NEXT IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION.

THAT WOULD BE ME AGAIN, UM, UH, ANNUALLY, UM, USUALLY IN AUGUST IS WHEN I BRING TO YOU, UM, A, UH, JUST A FEW ASSESSMENTS.

I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT 500 PAGES OF THEM IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SENT TO YOU.

UM, THESE ARE, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, FOR, UM, SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS, UH, THOSE THAT CHOSE NOT TO PAY THE SHARE AS WELL AS, UM, LIGHTING DISTRICT ASSESSMENTS, UM, UH, ALSO, UH, WEED ASSESSMENTS AND, UM, I LIKED DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER STORMWATER.

THOSE ARE ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE DOCUMENTS.

UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL, UM, NOW MONTGOMERY COUNTY REQUIRES THAT THEY ALL BE LISTED SPECIFICALLY AND EACH ONE HAS A DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, THAT WAS NOT DONE PRIOR, BUT, UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT.

AND SO THAT DOES CREATE A LOT OF PAGES IN THE DOCUMENT, BUT, UH, THESE, UH, NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IN ORDER FOR THEM TO, FOR US TO MEET THE DEADLINE, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 13TH FOR FILING FOR THEM TO BE ON NEXT YEAR'S PROPERTY TAXES.

SO THESE ASSESSMENTS, ALTHOUGH APPROVED NOW WILL NOT BE COLLECTED UNTIL THE JANUARY AND JULY PAYMENTS NEXT YEAR.

YES, NANCY, HEY JIM, WHAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE LIGHTING CATEGORY? THESE ARE ALL THE, UM, THE STREETLIGHTS THAT ARE DONE ON, UM, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND SO THERE'S A, I THINK A TOTAL OF OVER $300,000 OF LIGHTING ASSESSMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND THOSE ARE ASSESSED ON THE PROPERTY OF NURSE.

INTERESTING.

YEAH, IT'S AN ANNUAL ASSESSMENT.

THANK YOU, JERRY.

OH YEAH.

AND ANOTHER MONTGOMERY COUNTY MUNICIPALITY THAT I WORK WITH, THE COUNTY KICKED BACK.

ONE OF THESE SAYING IT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO HAVE EXHIBIT A AND HAVE THEM ALL LISTED.

WE HAD TO PUT ONE ON EXHIBIT A ONE ON EXHIBIT ONE ON EXHIBIT C.

IT WAS RIDICULOUS, BUT I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

UM, AND SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE RECORD THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST THE FILING WITH THE COUNTY TO IT'S REQUIRED IF THEY KICK IT BACK AND SAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, THERE'S NO LEGAL BASIS FOR IT.

UM, THAT'S THEY STARTED DOING THAT RECENTLY.

AND SO I'VE JUST ANTICIPATING, THEY MIGHT TRY TO KICK THIS ONE BACK AND IF THEY DID, I JUST WANTED IT TO BE ON COUNCIL'S

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RADAR.

NOTHING SUBSTANTIVELY WILL CHANGE OTHER THAN THE, UM, EXHIBITS TO THE ORDINANCE.

SO DO WE, SO THE LEGISLATION THEN FOR MONDAY IS IT JUST NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN THAT THERE'S FLEXIBILITY, IF WE'RE WANT TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT AFTER IT'S PASSED OR HOW ODDLY WE ARE THE, THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY FOR VANDALIA, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

I DO.

UM, IT WAS ONLY VANDALIA THAT GOT THAT NOTICE AND WAS TOLD THAT NONE OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I'M AWARE OF HAVE BEEN TOLD ANYTHING, AND WE FIXED IT BY DOING IT AS A DIFFERENT ONE AND FILED IT CAUSE THEY DO IT EVERY MONTH, FILED IT TWICE IN A ROW.

AND HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HIM AS BEING A PROBLEM.

SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE OR NOT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.

AND I WILL COME UP WITH SOME KINDS OF LANGUAGE MONDAY WHEN WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD PUT ON THE RECORD THAT IF WE NEED TO ADJUST IT, THAT IT CAN BE DONE.

IN-HOUSE IF YOU WILL, WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN.

ANY QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS FOR JERRY? EVEN AT THAT POINT? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY?

[ Energy Performance Project Lease - U.S. Bancorp]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE G WHICH IS THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE PROJECT LEASE WITH A US BANK CORP.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS A GENETIC STREET LIFT STATION DISCUSSION.

I'LL TAKE THAT ONE ON AS WELL, MAYOR.

UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED, JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, THE, UM, UH, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS PASSED AS A RESOLUTION, UH, THIS WAS, UH, AT THAT TIME THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST AN ADD ON TO THE, UH, LIKE AN ADDENDUM OR A SUPPLEMENT TO THE LEASE THAT WAS PASSED BACK IN.

UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER OF 2020 FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH WAS ABOUT $3 MILLION.

UM, THIS ADDITIONAL AMOUNT FOR JUST THE FIRE ITEMS, UH, COMING TO $360,141.

UH, IT TURNS OUT THAT THE BANK, UM, VIEWED IT AS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE LEASE.

AND SO WE NEEDED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND PASS THIS AS, UH, AS A LEASE, THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US BY CHRIS BRONSMAN, UH, OUR BOND COUNSEL FROM SQUIRE PATTON BOGGS.

AND SO THEY'VE LOOKED OVER IT AND IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A LEGAL OPINION ON THE LEASE, IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, WITH LANGUAGE THAT THEY APPROVED.

SO I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU AND ASKING THAT THIS CAN BE APPROVED ON A EMERGENCY BASIS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE COULD ALREADY PROCEED WITH THESE, UM, UM, UH, WITH THE CHANGES DOWN THERE AT THE FIRE STATIONS.

AND, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RELEASE THE FUNDS FROM THE ESCROW ACCOUNT FOR THIS LEASE, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED FIRST BY COUNCIL AND RECEIVE A LEGAL OPINION.

AND THE LEGAL OPINION IS BASED ON APPROVAL BY COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ON ONTO MONDAY AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION? OKAY.

[ Jonetta Street Lift Station Discussion]

SHOULD WE GO TO, OKAY.

IT WAS TO REMAIN PRIVATE, BUT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT THAT WAS ALL SIGNED.

UM, I PUT THE THREE, THREE MAPS UP HERE AND I'LL GO OVER.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS JUST A LOCATION MAP.

UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE JONETTA STREET IS.

IT'S, UH, JUST EAST OF BRANT AND DOWN FROM, UH, UH, BRENT VISTA.

UH, IT HAS, UH, 14 LOTS, I BELIEVE ON THE CALL ON THE, IT'S A LONG CALL TO SACK 14 LOTS ON IT.

YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S THREE LOTS THAT, UM, AT THE TIME THEY WERE BUILT THAT THE DEVELOPER AT THE TIME ONLY BUILT DOWN TO WHERE IT SAYS SANITARY MANHOLE THERE, BUT TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, THE SANITARY ONLY WENT THAT FAR AND IT'S ONLY FOUR FEET DEEP.

UH, HE SANITARY COULDN'T MAKE IT TO THE NEXT THREE, LOTS BY GRAVITY.

SO THE DEVELOPER STOP AT THAT POINT.

AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE HEARD ANYWAYS, CAUSE THIS HAPPENED EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.

UM, IT DIDN'T BUILD ON THE LAST THREE LOTS.

AND I THINK LATER, UM, A FAMILY, WHOLE FAMILY TOOK THE THREE LOTS AND BUILT ON THE, ON THE, ON THOSE LOTS.

SO IT WAS THE SAME FAMILY THAT LIVED THERE.

I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THIS ONE'S FOCUSES IN ON THAT CALL TO SACK.

YOU CAN SEE THE THREE LOTS AT THE BOTTOM, UH, ON THE LEFT THERE THERE'S THE SANITARY PUMP STATION THAT'S LISTED.

AND FROM THAT THE THREE HOUSES HAVE A LOT OF FOUR-INCH PIPE RUNNING FROM EACH HOUSE TO THAT PUMP STATION.

UH, THE PUMP STATION HAS TWO PUMPS IN IT AND, UH, IT THEN PUMPS, UH, THROUGH A TWO-INCH PIPE OVER TO THE MANHOLE THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE DRAWING.

AND THEN IT GOES BY GRAVITY AT THAT POINT.

SO THOSE THREE LOTS ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SEWAGE PUMPED.

AND OVER THE YEARS, UM, THEY'VE ASKED A FEW TIMES TO HAVE THE CITY TAKE OVER THE PUMP STATION CAUSE IT'S, IT WAS PUT IN AS PRIVATE AND WE DID HAVE A RESOLUTION BACK THEN THAT, UH,

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AND I THINK JERRY HAD SAID IT'S POSSIBLE.

WASN'T REALLY? YES.

AT THE LAST MEETING, I SAID IT WAS RECORDED.

I, I WAS INCORRECT.

IT WAS NEVER RECORDED.

I WENT THROUGH AND DID A PRIVATE TITLE SEARCH IF YOU WOULD LOOK.

AND UNDER THE LAST NAME WAS THE LARUE FAMILY.

I BELIEVE THAT OWNED THE THREE LIGHTS TO SEE ALL THE CONVEYANCES THEY MADE THE CONVEYANCES TO THE VARIOUS LOTS ARE OUT, NO REFERENCE TO IT.

AND THEN IN SUBSEQUENT CONVEYANCES TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THERE IS NO REFERENCE.

SO IT IS NOT OF RECORD AT THE RECORDER'S OFFICE.

THE ONLY THING WE WERE TOLD IS THE THREE HOUSES ARE TIED TO ONE LIFT STATION.

SO THOSE THREE LOTS OVER THESE YEARS HAVE PAID FOR THE ELECTRIC FOR THAT PUMP STATION AND ANY, UM, BUT RECENTLY, OR WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, ALL THOSE LOTS, I THINK HAVE CHANGED OWNERSHIP.

AND, UM, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN, I THINK THAT LIVES AT THE MIDDLE.

ONE OF THE THREE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE TONIGHT.

UM, ASKED AGAIN WHETHER THE CITY COULD TAKE OVER THE PUMP STATION.

UM, WELL YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT, OKAY.

THIS IS THE LAST ONE.

UM, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION.

THE OPTION IS WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE IT OVER AND I STILL RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T, IT'S A CONSTANT MAINTENANCE.

WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE PUMP STATIONS TO BEGIN WITH.

UM, RIGHT NOW I'M TOLD THAT ONE OF THE PUMPS ISN'T WORKING AND THE OTHER PUMP I THINK IS POSSIBLY RUNNING ALL THE TIME AND THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM DOWN THERE.

UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, LIKE I SAID, THE THREE HAVE TO SHARE AN ELECTRIC BILL AND APPARENTLY THE ELECTRIC BILL GOES TO ONE OF THE OWNERS AND HE'S NOT COOPERATING WITH THE OTHER TWO OWNERS.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ELECTRIC BILL IS EVEN GETTING PAID.

IT'S KIND OF A, I THINK SOMEWHAT OF AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OR A ONE OR THREE OF TWO OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

SORRY.

SO I GUESS I WAS LOOKED AT BRINGING THIS HERE, EITHER COME UP WITH A SOLUTION OR A RECOMMENDATION, UM, ONE SOLUTION THAT WE COULD DO, UH, NOT SAYING WE US OR THEM, UH, IS PUT IN A SMALL, YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT YARDS, I PUT A CIRCLE THERE.

THAT'S LIKE A MANHOLE WITH A GRINDER PUMP IN IT.

AND IT'S BASICALLY TO USE FOR ONE LOT AND THEY SELL THOSE AS A PACKAGE.

I TALKED TO RITTER PLUMBING ABOUT THIS AND FOR COST.

AND SO COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE, THE RED LINE WOULD BE THEIR EXISTING SANITARY LINE, THE FOUR-INCH LINE BY GRAVITY INTO THAT MANHOLE.

AND THEN IT'S PUMPED THROUGH EACH ONE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER TWO INCH LINE COMING OUT OF IT, PUMPING IT OVER TO THE EXISTING TWO INCH LINE AND MAKING A CONNECTION THERE.

SO EACH ONE WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PUMP STATION AND PAYING THEIR OWN ELECTRIC BILLS AND ALL SEPARATE.

SO THAT'S AND YOU PUT CHECK VALVES ON THEM SO THAT, UH, WHEN ONE'S RUNNING, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE OTHER HOUSES.

SO IT WOULD THEN GO THROUGH THE EXISTING TWO INCH LINE UP TO THE MANTLE, A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THERE'S A COST.

UM, I KNOW THE UNIT ITSELF IS OVER $6,000.

HE SAID, BY THE TIME YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT, HE SAID 15 TO 20,000 PER LOT.

UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNSELING WANTS TO HANDLE IT.

IF WE WERE TO HELP THEM WITH THE PUMP STATION, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT AT LEAST 10,000 IN REPAIRS PROBABLY NOW, IS IT GOING TO BE A PUMP REPLACEMENT? UM, I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT JUST FOR THE FACT THAT THAT BIGGER PUMP STATION WILL GO ON FOREVER AND WE WOULD EITHER MAINTAIN IT OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.

AND THE COST ON A BIGGER PUMP STATIONS IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN REPAIRING IT A SMALL ONE.

AND LIKE I SAID, IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY'RE ALL ON THEIR OWN.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ARGUMENTS BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS AND THEY'RE PAYING THEIR ELECTRIC BILL FOR IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.

I JUST KIND OF HERE TO PRESENT IT.

LIKE I SAID, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP AS PRIVATE AND I WAS ALWAYS, I HAD BEEN ASKED OVER THE YEARS BY THE ONE WOMAN, I THINK THE NEW, THE FAR RIGHT HOUSE.

UH, IF WE, SHE KEPT ASKING AND I KEPT SAYING THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS FOR RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT IT'S TO REMAIN PRIVATE, BUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES THERE NOW HAS COME BACK AND ASKED US TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

SO YES, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, NUMBER ONE, I GUESS FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S ASKING, WHY, WHY DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO TAKE OVER IT? THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM.

THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROBLEM SINCE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT PATTY WAS PAYING FOR THE BILL UNTIL SHE SOLD HER HOUSE.

AND THE NEXT OCCUPANT TOOK OVER THAT'S AS SHE WAS SELLING A HOUSE.

WHEN WE FIRST FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS AN ELECTRIC BILL THAT WAS ON OUR PART, WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE,

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THEY DIDN'T TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT'S WHERE BRINGING IT UP.

AND THEN WHEN WE STARTED DOING ALL THE RESEARCH AND TO THE LIFT STATION, WE FOUND OUT THAT WELL FROM THE CITY AND FROM THE ENGINEER THAT HALF THE INFORMATION WE WERE GIVEN IS WRONG.

THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF THE LIFT STATION HERE, GOING DOWN MY PROPERTY LINE, ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT THAT, UH, JARED LIRO HAD SIGNED WITH THE CITY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN LOT SEVEN.

IT IS NOT, HE IS THE ONLY PERSON HIM AND HIS WIFE IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT SIGNED THAT, UM, RESOLUTION WITH THE CITY.

I FOUND OUT THAT, UM, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME, SHELLY? WHAT'S THAT? COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? MY NAME'S MATTHEW .

I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE PROPERTY.

UH, THE PERSON AT THE TIME WHO LIVED ON THE EAST SIDE AT THE TIME, THE LIFT STATION WAS PUT IN WAS SHELLY MULLINS.

SHE IS NOT A RELATIVE OF THE LA ROSE, JARED AND CATHERINE LIVED IN WHAT IS NOW MY HOUSE.

AND THEN THE TOP HOUSE WAS OWNED BY PATTY LRO, WHICH WAS THEIR MOTHER.

SO IT WAS THREE SEPARATE FAMILIES THAT OWN THE PROPERTIES.

NOW THE ONLY NAME THAT IS ON THIS RESOLUTION IS JARED AND CATHERINE.

THE OTHER TWO PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T EVEN ON IT.

SO HE WAS PAYING THE TOTAL COST THE WHOLE TIME, RIGHT? PATTY WAS PAYING THE WHOLE COST.

THE ENTIRE TIME WE WENT OUT AND A TAX IDENTIFICATION NUMBER FOR THE LIFT STATION AND TRIED GETTING IT PUT UP WHERE A MAINTENANCE COMPANY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.

AS SOON AS OUR NEW NEIGHBOR HEARD THE WORD LAWYER, HE SAYS, WE'LL NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

PATTY SHOT IT DOWN BEFORE SHE SOLD THE HOUSE AND MR. CARTER SHOT IT DOWN.

AS SOON AS HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, MR. CARTER PUT THE BILL IN HIS NAME AND SAID THAT WE WILL PAY WHAT HE SAYS.

HE REFUSES TO GIVE US ACCESS TO DP AND L BILL THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS ENTIRE MESS OF TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO TAKE IT OVER.

UH, ROSS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PRIVATELY OWNED LIFT STATIONS THERE ARE IN THE CITY? UH, 19.

SO THIS WOULD SET A PRECEDENCE.

WELL, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PRIVATE LIFT STATIONS.

THERE'S A FEW, BUT UH, MOST OF THEM WE DO MAINTAIN, MOST OF THEM HANDLE A LOT MORE HOUSES.

HE, I THINK HE HAD STAYED AT ONE POINT, THERE WAS LIKE A RULE THAT SAID 40 OR 50 HOMES, BUT I DON'T, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT RULE.

SO I THINK IT WAS JUST WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WAS BIG ENOUGH.

WE, WE TOOK IT OVER.

MR. I, COULD YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YES, SINCE I WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS IS A LETTER TO MR. JARED, SIGNED BY JOHN L GEIGER.

I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU SAY HIS NAME, THE SMALLEST LIFT STATION, WHICH HAS OPERATED PUBLICLY AS CONNECTED TO AT LEAST 18 HOMES AND MOST LIFT STATIONS SERVE OVER A HUNDRED OR BETTER TAPPING POINTS.

THEREFORE, THIS LIST STATION MUST REMAIN PRIVATE AND IN AGREEMENT TO BE REACHED BETWEEN YOURSELF AND THE CITY FOR ITS PRIVATE OPERATION FOR THE CITY TO ACCEPT TRANSPORT AND TREAT SEWAGE FOR THE CITY DATED FOUR AUGUST OF OH SIX, YOUR RESOLUTION SIGNED BY THE CITY 9 26 OF OH SIX.

SO THIS LIFT STATION WAS READY UP AND RUNNING BEFORE ANY AGREEMENTS WERE UP.

THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, THE NUMBERS CAME FROM THAT I BROUGHT LAST TIME.

SORRY.

ANY GUN? 15, $20,000 FIGURE THAT, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PER LOT PER PROPERTY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR SCOTT.

UM, I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIFT STATION AND WHERE IT IS IN PROXIMITY TO THE LOT LINES.

UM, UH, MR. ROTTY, DID I GET THE PRONUNCIATION? CORRECT.

ROCK ROCK, ROCK ROCK IS IN RUCKSACK.

I CAN HEAR IT NOW.

THAT'S NOT EXACTLY EMPIRICAL INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY.

SO HE HAD A PICTURE AND I MEAN, I CAN SEE THE GRASS MOWED.

I COULDN'T SEE THE FENCE POSTS, BUT, UM,

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UH, WERE YOU ABLE TO ASCERTAIN WHERE THAT LIFT STATION FALLS CLOSE TO OR ON A PROPERTY LINE? IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO ON THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, FROM OUR AERIALS ON OUR GIS, IT APPEARS TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, IT HAS NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY SURVEYED TO SAY 100% FOR SURE, BUT IT'S RIGHT ABOUT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, I DIDN'T COME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, HOW BAD IS IT THAT IT'S CLOSE TO, OR IF IT IS ACCURATE TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE? UH, HOW BAD OF AN ISSUE IS THAT FOR THE CITY? JERRY? YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH, IT'S AT THE TIME THIS WAS ALL AGREED.

IT WAS ALL OWNED BY ONE PERSON AND THE PROPERTY WAS SUBDIVIDED AND THEN RE SUBDIVIDED AGAIN.

SO THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL LOT SEVEN, AND THEN THERE WAS THE EXISTING LOT SEVEN, I THINK IT IS.

SO THIS WAS PUT ON WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY AGREED TO AT THE TIME AND THIS MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND I ALSO THINK, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT IT IS IN AN AREA THAT WAS ALREADY AN EASEMENT.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, UH, SOME SORT OF EASEMENT AREA BETWEEN LOTS EIGHT AND SEVEN.

AND I THINK THAT THE INTENT WAS TO PUT THE LIFT STATION IN THE EASEMENT AREA, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE WITHIN, UM, THE LOT SEVEN.

THAT'S WHY WE SAY IT'S CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO IT WAS BUILT WHEN IT WAS ONE PROPERTY.

AND THEN WHEN THE PROPERTIES WERE SUBDIVIDED, UH, WHOEVER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUBDIVIDING, DIDN'T CHECK TO SEE IF THE LINE WAS ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE LIFT STATION.

DO I UNDERSTAND THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ACCURATE HOW THEY PLACED IT AT THE TIME, BUT THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT CAME AFTER THE LIFT STATION WAS PUT IN, CORRECT.

THE SUBDIVISION WAS DONE BEFORE THE LIFT STATION WAS PUT NOT THE SUBDIVIDING.

I USED THE WRONG TERM.

THIS IS THE LOT THAT WAS PUT ON.

THAT WAS LATER SUBDIVIDED.

NO, THEY SUBDIVIDED.

IT WAS, IT WAS, I BELIEVE TWO LOTS AT ONE POINT.

AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THE ZEROS ON IT, THEN THEY SUBDIVIDED IT INTO THREE LOTS.

AND PART OF THE DEAL WITH THEM WAS THEY COULDN'T GET THE SEWER ON, ON THERE.

AND THEN THEY ASKED THE CITY TO, THERE WERE THEN THE DECISION WAS, WELL, YOU CAN DO IT AS A PRIVATE LIST STATION.

BUT AT THAT POINT IT WAS STILL OWNED BY ONE BY THE BUREAUS WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO PUT IT IN PRIVATE LIFT STATION.

AND SO THEY DECIDED THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THERE.

THEY DID THE SUBDIVISION.

THEY SAID, WE'LL PUT IT HERE ON WHAT THEY CALLED LOT SEVEN AND EXACTLY WHERE IT SITS TODAY.

I'M NOT TOO SURE, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO BE PUT IN IT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS LOOKING AT EVERYTHING RIGHT AT THAT EASEMENT AREA BETWEEN LOT SEVEN AND EIGHT.

AND SO IS IT IN THAT AREA? IT'S ACCORDING TO THE DRAWINGS HERE? YES.

NO, IT'S RIGHT THERE.

ALONG THAT LOT LINE, IT'S A TOTAL OF A 10 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT, FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE LOT LINE.

SO YOUR OPINION IS IT'S NO LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE CITY.

DON'T THINK IT'S A CITY ISSUE, HONESTLY, BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIVATE DECISION FOR PROPERTY OWNER AT THE TIME TO GET A PRIVATE SANITARY LIFT STATION IN THERE.

UM, WHEN PROPERTIES ARE SOLD, IT'S NOT ON CITY SEWER.

UM, THE GENTLEMEN ADVISE WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, HE WAS TOLD THERE WAS LIFT STATION.

I'M TOLD THERE WAS A LIFT STATION.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFT STATIONS ARE IN SOME I'D GO.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NOTICE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT HERE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, BUT NONE OF THIS HAS TO DO, UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE CITY IN THAT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SUE YOU AND MY RESPONSE WOULD BE OKAY.

UM, OKAY.

AND WE'LL GET IT DISMISSED.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S POSITION, THE STAFF'S POSITION FOR, UM, UM, THIS IS A PRIVATE LIFT STATION VERSUS CITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, HAS THE CITY DONE ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE US LIABLE FOR WHERE IT IS ACTUALLY PUT IN THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT? HE DID NOT BUILD IT.

IT'S ALL, ALL WAS DONE PRIVATELY.

ALL THE CITY DID IS ALLOW IT TO BE TAPPED IN, INTO THE CITY SYSTEM.

SO IT'S LOCATION IS NOT RELEVANT IS NOT OUR ISSUE.

FROM A LEGAL AND THEN THE AGREEMENT, THAT'S NOT ON COUNTY RECORD, IT'S NOT RECORDING THE COUNTY.

AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPLICATION FOR THE CITY, NOT FOR THE CITY.

FOR NOT ADVISING PEOPLE IN THIS.

BUT IT MAKES SO MUCH PLAY.

THERE.

IT'S A CAUSE OF ACTION AGAINST THE ORIGINAL SELLER

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BUT NOT HAVING IT ON RECORD FOR THE COUNTY RECORDS.

AND THEN THE LOCATION OF IT RIGHT NOW IS POSING THE, THE PRIVATE CITIZENS, SOME PROBLEMS. UH, YES.

IF, IF THESE THREE CITIZENS DECIDED ALL OF THE LIFT STATION NEEDS TO BE FIXED, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

AND THEY ALL CHIPPED IN A THIRD TO FIX IT.

WE WOULDN'T BE HERE, BUT IT'S A PRIVATE ISSUE.

AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT THE COOPERATION AND IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.

AND SO NATURALLY IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE SEWER ISN'T THAT THE CITY, I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU THINK OF WHEN YOU THINK OF SEWER, THAT'S NOT A PRIVATE ISSUE.

THAT'S MORE INSIDIOUS YOU'RE UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S NOT A CITY ISSUE HERE, ALTHOUGH THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO ASSIST IN SOME WAYS, AS MR. BERGMAN SAID, THERE'S SOME OPTIONS OUT THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WELL, PERHAPS WE CAN DO THIS AS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT FOR SEWER AND ASSESS THIS OVER TIME.

AND THAT KIND OF THINGS.

THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE OUT THERE.

UM, MAYOR, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S POSITION, NOT WAYNE TAKE OVER PRIVATE LIFT STATION AND I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT, BUT WITH THESE FACTORS MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO, UH, HELP ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS.

NOW WHAT THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME, BUT CERTAINLY IT HASN'T BEEN HELPFUL IN THIS SITUATION.

OKAY, MR. ARCTIC.

EVERYONE KEEPS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS AS A RESPONSIBILITY.

THIS IS A PRIVATE LOOP STATION.

I TALKED TO THE SINGEING ENGINEER.

AND WHEN I WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS ZONING, ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENT, RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, THE ONLY CITY DOES NOT ISSUE PERMITS FOR DECKS, PATIOS, AND LESS CUPBOARD OR FENCES.

I HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO PUT A TEMPORARY DUMPSTER OR STORAGE POD IN MY DRIVEWAY.

HOW IS IT THAT WITHOUT ANY PRINTS, ANY PERMITS THROUGH CITY OR COUNTY, THIS LIFT STATION GOT PUT IN SOMEWHERE, SOMEONE DROPPED THE BALL BECAUSE I CAN'T RUN ANYTHING.

AND THIS HAS PLUMBING.

IT HAS ELECTRICAL IT'S UM, ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET DEEP.

SO HOW IS THIS PUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY DONE ALL THIS WORK, BUT YET I CAN'T PUT A SHED OR A STORAGE POD IN A DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A PERMIT.

AND THEN I HAVE TO SUPPLY MAPS OF WHERE IT'S GOING, HOW IT'S BEING SET UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH IT.

THIS IS WHERE I FEEL.

THIS IS A SHORTFALL.

GRANTED, THIS IS 2004.

THAT IS THE DATE THAT'S ON THE LIFT STATION.

SO MOST PEOPLE HERE, I HAVE NO IDEA IF ANYONE WAS IN THE OFFICE AT THAT POINT, BUT I DOUBT IT, BUT IT'S A SHORT FALL ON THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A COUNTY PERMIT FOR ELECTRICAL.

SO HOW DID WE RUN PIPES? HOW DO WE PUT A HOLE IN THE GROUND? HOW DO WE PUT THE PUMPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE PRIVATELY WITHOUT PERMITS? NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY BEFORE HE SAID THAT, THAT, UM, THIS IS, WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE AND IT GOES THROUGH THE COUNTY AND THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO GET PERMITS FROM THE COUNTY.

NOW, IF THEY DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, IF THEY DIDN'T CONTACT THE COUNTY AND JUST PUT IT IN.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CHECK ON THAT, I TRIED GETTING HER GARAGE.

I CANNOT GET COUNTY PERMITS WITHOUT CITY STAMP ON MY PRINTS.

SO THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE IT FIRST, BEFORE COUNTY WILL EVEN LOOK AT THEM.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS NOW.

I CAN'T SAY FOR A FACT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS IN 2003.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR A ZONING CERTIFICATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE ALL PART OF THE ZONING CODE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS BACK IN 2003.

AND THEN YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THAT ALL THREE PROPERTIES WERE THE LULL ROSE.

THE THIRD PROPERTY ON THE FAR EAST SIDE WAS OWNED BY THE MULLINS IN 2004.

SO IT WASN'T JUST ONE FAMILY WHY IT SAID THAT.

AND I WASN'T SURE IT WAS FOR ME.

I WAS TOTALLY, IT WAS ONE THING.

YOU WOULD GET A RESOLUTION THAT YOU WANTED WITHOUT THE CITY STEPPING IN IT.

UM, HAVE YOU GUYS TRIED MEDIATION WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS? HE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, AS SOON AS YOU MENTIONED THE LAWYER, HE SHUTS DOWN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE JOURNALISM'S AGREEMENT, WHICH IS HIS WEIGHT WENT AWAY.

UM, AND IF YOU DIDN'T PAY HIM, YEAH.

IT DRAWS INTO A LAWSUIT FOR FAILURE TO PAY BECAUSE HE FAILS TO PROVIDE US A BILL.

AND WE WANT, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BILL FROM D P AND L, NOT A BILL THAT HE MADE UP ON HIS COMPUTER AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT I'M PAYING.

YOU'RE PAYING A THIRD.

IT SEEMS LIKE IF THAT HAPPENED AND HE TOOK YOU TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT, THAT

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I SAID, I KNOW YOUR FRUSTRATION.

UM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR.

ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE PUT FORWARD THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THE LIFT STATION WITH THAT, HAVE WHATEVER MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A ANNUAL MAINTENANCE ON THE STATION NEEDS.

IT'S IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BYLAWS TOO.

UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED A, UM, A SURCHARGE, AN ANNUAL SURCHARGE FOR MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP.

IT CAN BE DIVIDED UP BETWEEN THE THREE PROPERTIES AND WE WOULD GET AN ANNUAL BILL AND THEN EVERYONE WOULD PAY THEIR SHARE.

THE CITY WOULD NOT BE OUT ANY COST.

WE CAN GET THIS ONE FIXED AND IT CAN BE ADDED TO OUR TAXES OR ADD IT TO A ANNUAL SURCHARGE FOR OUR DISPOSAL.

WHAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT SAYS, WHAT DOCUMENTS SAYS? YOU HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING CURRENTLY.

NOTHING BECAUSE NOBODY OWNS THE LIFT STATION.

I THOUGHT IT WAS UNDER THAT ONE PROPERTY OWNER.

IF HE DOESN'T OWN IT, WHY IS HE CHARGING ANYBODY FOR IT TO AVOID ANY CONFLICTS AND TO HAVE EVERYTHING HIS WAY.

HE PUT THE ELECTRIC BILL IN HIS NAME, THEN HE ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THE PUMP IS BROKEN.

WE HAVE A, ANOTHER PUMP THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING.

AND WHEN I TOOK A PHOTO OF IT, IT'S GOT A BROKEN THAT'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE LIFT STATION BREAKS COMPLETELY AND OVERFLOWS? I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BECAUSE AT THE ADVICE OF CITY, THEY SAID THAT I CAN REACTIVATE THE LEACH FIELD IN MY YARD, ACCORDING TO THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

ONCE YOU WERE ON CITY SEWER, YOU CANNOT REVERT BACK.

I CAN NOT REACTIVATE DIG UP AND RE PUT IN MY SEPTIC TANK, WHICH WAS NEVER PROPERLY COLLAPSED OR FILLED IN AND CANNOT, UM, REDO THE LEACH FIELD BECAUSE I'M ALREADY ON PROCESSED.

BUT THIS LIFT STATION IS DYING.

AND AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO OVERFLOW, ACCORDING TO THE EPA AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHOSE EVER PROPERTY IT IS ON GETS THE FINES AND THAT'S HIS PROPERTY AND MINE AND YOURS.

BUT IT'S IN HIS NAME, ONLY THE ELECTRIC BILL, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, COUNTY, IT DOESN'T EXIST.

THERE IS NO PERMITS ON IT.

IT DOES NOT EXIST.

THEY HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR IT FOR ELECTRICAL BILL PURPOSES.

BUT ACCORDING TO, UM, REAL ESTATE AND COUNTY, IT DON'T EXIST.

THERE IS NO SUCH LIFT STATION SITTING THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT I HAD WITH THE COUNTY.

WHEN I WAS TRYING TO RESEARCH, IF THIS RESOLUTION WAS EVER FILED WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY SAID, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE.

IT DOES NOT EXIST.

THERE'S NO PERMITS.

THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY.

THERE WAS NO NOTHING.

THERE THAT'S A MANY TENTACLED PROBLEMS THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET AROUND IT.

WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY INVOLVED, YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY.

AND THEY SAID, THE MOST WE CAN DO IS THROUGH THE PRIOR OWNERS THAT DOES NOT TAKE ANYTHING WITH THE CURRENT PROBLEM.

SO TIM WOULD HAVE TO SUE AARON, WHO WAS THE PREVIOUS ONE.

AND BEFORE HIM WAS SOMEBODY ELSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND JARED SUE, HIM AND CATHERINE WHO ARE NO LONGER TOGETHER.

SO WE'D HAVE TO TRACK THEM DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WENT AFTER THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE.

THE CARTERS WOULD HAVE TO FIND PATTY.

LOU WROTE SUE HER BECAUSE IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE SALES OF THE HOUSE.

ALL THEY PUT IN THE SALES OF THE HOUSE, AS THE THREE HOUSES DUMP THEIR SEWAGE INTO A COMMON LIFT STATION.

THEY HAD NOTHING IN THERE.

NO AGREEMENTS, NO NOTHING.

AS FAR AS WHO'S MAINTAINING IT, WHO'S PAYING FOR IT.

HOW ANYTHING IS OPERATED AND MAINTAINED.

THERE IS NO AGREEMENT WHATSOEVER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING THE CITY CAN HELP OUT WITH SINCE NOBODY.

WELL, I ASKED WHAT REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY DROPS.

EVEN THE ENGINEER TOLD ME HE HASN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT HAS A LIMITATION ON WHAT IS THE SMALLEST LIFT STATION IN THE CITY CANAL.

IT'S JUST THE, COUNSEL'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, HOW THE COUNCIL WANTS TO OPERATE IT.

I DON'T SEE HOW THIS LIFT STATION EVER MADE IT INTO THE GROUND.

IT WAS PUT IN BEFORE THERE WAS EVEN A RESOLUTION OR AUTHORIZATION.

SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WAIT UNTIL THE LIFT STATION BREAKS AND THEN CONDEMN THREE HOUSES BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SEWAGE.

BELIEVE THERE WASN'T A MONTGOMERY COUNTY PERMIT ISSUE WHEN THAT WAS INSTALLED.

GARY, CAN WE ASK, UM, THE ATTORNEY TO A RESEARCH? I CAN'T

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UM, AND THAT MIGHT HELP.

I THINK JERRY HAD TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING.

I MEAN, HE LOOKED THERE.

THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING.

I DIDN'T LOOK FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF THERE WASN'T PERMITS FORMERLY ISSUED TO PUT A PRIVATE LIFT STATION DOWN AT JUST WHAT SURPRISED ME IN THAT TIME.

IT WAS, IT WAS VERY, IT WAS THE ERA OF HANDSHAKES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET THINGS DONE.

I MEAN, I, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY A COMPLEX ISSUE, COMPLEX PROBLEM.

UM, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS, UH, WE HAVE A RESIDENT WHO HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

WHO IS, HE WAS RAISING SOME LOVELY, VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ISSUE THEY'VE GOT.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH ED HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE GO, WE JUST TAKE THIS WHOLE THING OVER THE SYSTEM, BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK A COUNCIL DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT TYPE OF HELP COULD ALLEVIATE OR, UM, WE DO THE REPAIRS, DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND THEN, AND THEN GO BACK AND THEN ASSESS THE PROPERTY TAXES TO BE ABLE TO RECOUP THOSE FUNDS.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD BE A BRAND NEW IDEA TO THIS COUNCIL.

WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PAST.

UM, NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, JUST THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT, UM, WE'VE DONE THINGS WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THE WORK WE'VE ASSESSED.

UH, I MEAN, THAT'S, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT.

THE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF REPLACING SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, IF A PERSON WANTS TO WAIT AND HAVE THE, AND HAVE THE SAFETY OF THE SIDEWALKS, WE ASSESSED THAT PUTTING A PROPERTY TAXES.

IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW.

UM, BUT I, I CERTAINLY DO FEEL FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS, WANT THE SITUATIONS GOING THROUGH, AND I THINK, UM, IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR, IT'D BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SAY SOMEBODY'S DECISION WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND SEE THAT THE SITUATION IS, AND JUST SAY, SORRY, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

I'D HAVE A HARD TIME DOING THAT.

PERSONALLY, GLENN I'M THINKING WITHOUT ALL THREE PARTIES OF THE PROPERTIES IN AGREEMENT AND WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS, I THINK THE GRINDER PUMPS ARE PROBABLY THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE THAT PUTS EACH PROPERTY IN CHARGE OF ITS OWN SYSTEM, I GUESS, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, I MEAN, IS THERE, COULD WE LOOK INTO SOME TYPE OF ASSISTANCE WITH THAT AND, AND, AND ASSESSING THOSE COSTS IN THE FUTURE ON THOSE PROPERTIES, AND THEN AFTER THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF, THEN BOOM, THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN.

AT THAT POINT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM SET UP AND IT'S UP TO THEM TO MAINTAIN AND CONTINUE WITH THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHEN WE'RE ASSESSING, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO ASSESS WHEN YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, AGREEING TO THE ASSESSMENT HERE, WE MAY NOT HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE AGREEING TO THE ASSESSMENT, AND I'M NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ROUTE.

YOU HAVE TO GO AND RIGHT.

WE COULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE SAYING, I DON'T NEED A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.

I HAVE A LIFT STATION THAT COULD MORE THAN ACCOMMODATE MY NEEDS.

MS. I KNOW YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP A LITTLE BIT, SO YEAH, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH THOUGHT AND HOW MUCH I HAVE PUT INTO THIS.

MY SUGGESTION WAS TO HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT SET UP FOR ALL THREE PROPERTIES, HAVE THE MONEY GO DIRECTLY FROM EACH OF US, GO INTO AS A, UM, ESCROW ACCOUNT TYPE THING WITH NONPROFIT.

I EVEN GOT, I PAID EXTRA TO GET THIS, UM, TAX ID NUMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS SIGN IT WITH MY ATTORNEY.

I WAS PAID ALL THE ATTORNEY FEES.

I WOULD PAY ALL THE COURT FEES, JUST SO THIS IS SAID AND DONE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T GET EVERYBODY TO AGREE.

I MEAN, WE'VE GONE OUT OF OUR WAY.

WE'VE GONE AND OFFERED TO PAY MORE JUST TO GET THE SET AND DONE.

AND WE CAN'T GET ANY MORE.

ONE SECOND, RICHARD, YOU HAD A COMMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO MARK, AND THEN GLEN, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, RICHARD.

UM, SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I KNOW YOU, YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT YOUR, UH, YOUR SEWER AND SUBJECT.

ARE YOU MARRIED TO GO BACK TO THAT? NO.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I WAS LOOKING TO DO TO GET OFF THE LIFT STATION.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SAID, WELL, YOU'RE ALREADY ON CITY SEWER.

YOU CAN'T COME OFF CITY SEWER.

AND BY THE WAY, IF IT'S IN YOUR YARD, YOU'RE STILL FINANCIAL RESPONSIBLE FOR IT WHEN IT OVERFLOWS.

GREAT.

NO, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.

I BELIEVE YOU SAID SOMETHING LAST TIME IN THIS TIME ABOUT THAT.

RIGHT? I, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS OKAY.

NO, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT A CITY SAID TO US AS WE CAN GO BACK TO IT, OR WE CAN PUT IN A GRINDER PUMP.

SO I LOOKED INTO THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WHAT WOULD BE THE CHEAPEST, HOW I CAN GET THIS REMEDIED.

AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT SHOT DOWN.

AND WHEN I CONTACTED THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS TO SIGN OFF ON ALL SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AND THEN THEY WERE SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT MY SEPTIC TANK ONE IS STILL SITTING THERE

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COMPLETE.

AND TWO IT'S NEVER BEEN FILLED WITH BALLAST.

IT WAS EITHER SUPPOSED TO BE TOTALLY COLLAPSED OR FILLED WITH ROCKS FOR WHATEVER REASON.

AND IT'S STILL SITTING THERE FULL OF WATER.

I CAN DROP A HOSE IN IT RIGHT NOW AND WATER MY YARD.

CAUSE THE WHOLE TANK IS SITTING THERE.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THE TAPS, BUT AT TIM'S HOUSE, NOT MINE BECAUSE MY YARD WAS THE LEACH FIELD FOR HIS HOUSE WHEN THE MULLINS OWNED.

SO THE ENTIRE SYSTEM SPANS TWO PROPERTIES.

WELL, THE SUPPLY COMES FROM HIS PROPERTY, THE TANK AND ALL THE LINES ARE ON MY PROPERTY.

WHERE DOES THE LIFT STATION PUMP THE SEWAGE TO, UH, CROSS THE CALL TO SACK TO A MANHOLE BY THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE ON THE TOP.

AND WHERE DOES IT GO? IT GOES DIRECTLY NORTH AND GOES INTO THE, THE REST OF THE SYSTEM.

OUR SYSTEM.

SO SOMEONE HAS BUILT A LIFT STATION AND TAPPED IT INTO OUR SEWER.

WITH NO PERMITS.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'VE BEEN, UH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TAP IN PERMITTED AT THAT TIME.

WE DID NOT CHECK TO SEE, I DON'T KNOW.

HOPEFULLY I STILL HAVE RECORDS FROM 2002 OR WHATEVER THAT SHOWS A TAP IN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE JERRY, IS THAT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE? UM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ADMITTED THEM TO TAP.

I'VE HAD IT BEFORE WHERE PEOPLE JUST WANT TO CONNECT ONE HOUSE OR WHATEVER, TO THE END OF THE LINE, WHICH IS WHAT THAT IS.

AND WE JUST HAVE A TAP IN PERMIT AND A FEE FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S IT.

IT'S YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE LEGISLATURE TAP INTO THAT.

WE HAVE LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT SAYS FROM THE COUNCIL THAT WE'RE GOING TO PERMIT THIS TO HAPPEN.

AND SO THERE IS CITY APPROVAL AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.

DID THEY ACTUALLY GET A PERMIT? I DON'T KNOW.

AND SO WHEN YOUR QUESTION IS, IS THAT RELEVANT FACTORY? IT COULD BE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD CARRY THE DAY ON IT.

SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS A PERMIT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO TAP THAT INTO OUR SEWER LINE, RIGHT? YES.

AND TO YOUR POINT, WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WITH A PIECE OF LEGISLATION ALLOWING IT.

WELL, WE DO HAVE THE LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWED THE PRIVATE SYSTEM TO TAP INTO US.

DO WE HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS MAY BE CLOSE TO THAT THAT HAS PRIVATE, UH, LIFT STATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE THAT TAP INTO OUR PUBLIC SEWER OR HAVE WE PURCHASED MOST OF THOSE? WE, WE MAINTAIN MOST OF THOSE.

I CAN'T THINK OF ONE RIGHT OFF HAND.

I THINK THERE'S A FEW OUT THERE THAT ARE, IS THAT SITUATION WHERE IT'S PRIVATE.

I HAVE TO ASK PAM THAT.

THANKS COUNCILMAN.

SO IS THE DIFFERENCE JUST REAL QUICK IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ONES THAT WE MAINTAIN? JUST THE SIMPLE, SHEER NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE USING IT OR, YEAH, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WE HAVE THAT ARE PRIVATE.

IT COULD BE NONE BESIDES THIS ONE, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE, BUT NO I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYWHERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN WHERE IT LISTS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY HOUSES BEFORE IT BECOMES PUBLIC.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER BEEN WRITTEN ANYWHERE.

I'VE NEVER SEEN A LIST.

I WAS JUST ADDRESSING MARK'S QUESTION WHERE HE ASKED IF WE, IF, IF WE, IF THERE WERE PRIVATE IN THAT WE MAINTAIN THEM.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS A PRIVATE ONE THAT WE DON'T MAINTAIN.

WE DO NOT.

I WAS JUST ASKING, IS IT BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY DON'T MAINTAIN THEM UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC NUMBER OR JUST A LARGER NUMBER THAN THREE ON THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

I, I CAN SAY THAT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PRIVATE LIFT STATIONS ARE OUT IN THE CITY.

UM, BUT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, UM, ABOUT TAKING THEM OVER THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICATIONS OF HOW THEY WERE BUILT.

UM, SO FOR US TO DO MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ON ANY, UH, NEW LIFT STATION THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF PUMP, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, SO I, I CAN REMEMBER ONE ALLEGION FIELDS THAT WAS A PRIVATE LIFT STATION THAT WAS PUT IN, UM, THAT WAS FOR A SMALLER SUBDIVISION.

UM, BUT I'M TRYING TO, I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THAT SERVICES MULTIPLE.

I THINK HE'S CORRECT.

AND THAT IS, I DON'T HOW MANY LOTS ARE UP THERE IS PROBABLY A GOOD 20 AT LEAST I THINK SO, BUT THAT'S, I BELIEVE A PRIVATE LIST.

IF THERE'S THOSE CONDOS AROUND FITCHBURG FOR THE SINGLE STORY.

A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF OR HAVE STAFF AT LEAST LOOK INTO THIS AND FIND OUT MAYBE WHAT THE BEST OPTION IS, UM, THAT HELPS THESE FOLKS IN TERMS OF COSTS, WHERE WE COULD ACCESS WHAT WE COULD ASSESS THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CITY TAKING OVER AND TAKING OVER THE SYSTEM COMPLETELY, BUT HELP GIVE THEM SOME ASSISTANCE TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

SO, UM, SCOTT, CAN WE GET, I MEAN, I HAVE

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CAN WE GET KIND OF WHAT THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS THAT THAT DEALS WITH THAT? HAVE YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, YEAH, IF WE WANT TO OFFER SOME ASSISTANCE, THIS WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS HOW WE GO.

AND AT LEAST THAT WAY THE COUNCIL COULD SEE SOME OPTIONS COSTS.

UM, THE HOMEOWNERS COULD SEE WHAT THAT IS.

I MEAN, CLEARLY THEY, I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO WHAT THAT IS OVER THE TIME OF THE ASSESSMENT, BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOME OPTIONS IN, IN A, IN A, B AND C OPTION HERE WITH SOME COSTS ADDED TO IT AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ON, UM, ON HOW WE HANDLE THAT WITHOUT FULLY TAKING OVER THE SYSTEM.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, IF WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT IF YOU'VE, UM, RECEIVED COSTS FOR FIXING IT TODAY, WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO TO SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, UM, TO HELP THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL, BECAUSE, BECAUSE HE SAYS SOMEONE BASICALLY WHAT THE COST TO REPAIR IT, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY RUNNING THE LINES BACK UP TO THE MAN RUNNING LINES, BACK UP TO THE MANHOLE AND THEN THE GRINDER PUMP.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THAT SYSTEM WOULD BE.

SO YES, WE CAN GO FURTHER.

THANKS RICHARD.

I'D LIKE TO ALSO SEE IF WE CAN FIND ANY PERMITS REGARDING A TAP IN OR MONTGOMERY COUNTY PERMITS THAT MIGHT GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION AND, AND OUR OPTIONS, I GUESS ALSO HAVE TO INCLUDE IF WE CAN'T GET THE THIRD HOMEOWNER, UH, ON ONLINE WITH THIS, WHAT OPTION, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER TWO RESIDENTS HAVE? UM, YEAH.

THE GROUP.

SO, AND THAT PHOTO THERE THAT'S THE GRINDER PUMP IS THE RED CIRCLE IN THE GUARD, RIGHT? NO PUBS.

SO THAT'S NOT SO NONE OF THOSE LINES IN OUR GOING TO THE LIFT STATION AT THE PROPERTY.

SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IS A MR. CARTER? IS HE THE ONE THAT'S NOT THE, THE OTHER, SO IF HE SAID, NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT.

CAN THAT JUST, CAN THOSE TIES BE CUT OFF AND RUN OUT AND THEN UP AND UP TO THE MANHOLE, IF HE HAD ONE OWNER WHO SAID, NO, I DIDN'T DO IT.

AND THEN LEAVE HIM THE PUMP STATION, RUSH YOUR MIC.

SO I'M SAYING THAT THE TWO AT THE BOTTOM WHO WANT TO TIE IN, COULD TIE IN TO THE TWO INCH LINE, I GUESS, NORTH OF THE PUMP STATION AND STILL PUT A CHECK VALVE ON IT AND STILL USE THAT AND LEAVE THE OTHER GUY ALONE.

AND HE'D HAVE TO JUST USE A PUMP STATION.

WELL, THAT, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

SO IF SO, IF HE HAD NO INTEREST IN GETTING INVOLVED, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.

BUT HE WOULD THEN BECOME THE ONLY ONE ON THE PUMP STATION.

HE WOULD BE FULL MAINTENANCE ON HIM.

I MEAN, THAT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE A CONSEQUENCE OF NOT PLAYING BALL, CORRECT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

FOR YOUR SEWER SITUATION, RIGHT.

MISREAD OR, YEAH.

YOU DIDN'T GET ANY AMERICAN, EVEN KIND OF SLUMPS AND LICHENS.

I LIVE ON 68, 76, THE THIRD PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ON, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE, SPLITTING THE, THE PUMP STATION.

UM, I WOULDN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT BE ON BOARD WITH THE GRINDER STATION COMING OUT OF POCKET $20,000 FOR AN ISSUE WITH A NEIGHBOR, TWO DOORS DOWN WITH A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT BETWEEN FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAPPENS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO RECORD OF.

UM, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE THE, THE PUMP STATION IS NOT ON MY PROPERTY AT ALL.

I WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING AT ALL.

WHETHER IT BE THE ELECTRIC BILL OR MAINTENANCE OF THE PUMP STATION UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM PAYING MY FAIR, SHARE THE THIRD.

UM, I FORGOT WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO JUST COME OUT OF POCKET $20,000 TO TIE INTO A SYSTEM WITH MY NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR TWO DOORS DOWN ISN'T COOPERATIVE.

SO WE HAD TO COME OUT OF POCKET, YOU KNOW, $40,000 COMBINED, UM, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET A, GET AN AGREEANCE.

UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A PRIVATE LIPSTICK LIFT STATION OF THE CITY ALREADY MANAGES MOST OF THE LIFT STATIONS.

I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OR MY BELIEFS, IT WOULD BE A MINOR INCONVENIENCE FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ON ANOTHER.

AND IT WOULD GREATLY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF PRESSURE OFF OF, UH, A FEW OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS.

AND LOOK, I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION, BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CERTAINLY FROM A MYRON CONVENIENCE, I MEAN, I GET THAT, UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPENDING THE MONEY THAT AN ASSESSMENT WHERE THE CITY'S MONEY IS EVERYBODY'S MONEY.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO, SO WE'D BE ASKING EVERYBODY TO PAY FOR YOUR,

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IF THAT WASN'T ASSESSED AND THAT MONEY DIDN'T COME BACK TO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S A, WE LOOK AT HOW WE SPEND MONEY AND DOLLARS ON ISSUES FOR, UH, FOR EVERYBODY.

I MEAN, THE, THE, THE MONEY IS, IS EVERYBODY'S MONEY.

IT'S ALL THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

SO, UH, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN ASSESSMENT TO COME BACK FROM, FROM OUR STAFF, THE PERMITTING ISSUE FROM THE COUNTY THAT JERRY CAN RESEARCH AND FIND OUT AND, AND THEN HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN ISSUE.

THERE'S A PROBLEM.

WE WANT TO TRY TO HELP SOLVE IT.

BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REAL SOLUTION IS.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

SO FANCY.

UM, SCOTT, CAN WE FIND OUT FROM, UH, PAMELA SUE IS, UH, HOW MANY PRIVATE LIFT STATIONS WE HAVE? WE CAN, CAUSE THIS MAY COME UP AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

LET'S GO TO GLENN AND THEN RICHARD, AND THEN MARTIN, UH, RUSS, JUST TO VERIFY AGAIN, UM, IF THE GRINDER PUMPS WERE PUT IN THAT WOULD BYPASS THE LIFT STATION.

UM, AND JERRY, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT GETTING ALL THREE PEOPLE ON THE, ON AN ASSESSMENT, WOULD IT REQUIRE ALL THREE OR COULD TO JUST THEM? I I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT IN, IN THEORY, AND I TALKED TO RUSS ABOUT THIS AT ALL OR ANYTHING, BUT WE COULD SAY THAT WE HAVE THREE PROPERTIES THAT WANT TO POTENTIALLY WANT TO CONNECT TO OUR SYSTEM.

WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE? AND MS. RUSS WOULD SAY, WELL, IT WOULD TAKE A GRINDER SYSTEM AND THE CONNECTOR.

SO IN THEORY, WE COULD SAY, OKAY, NEIGHBOR ONE, DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? NOPE.

AND HAVE ONE CONNECTED AND THE OTHER TWO WITH THE PUMP STATION AND WHATEVER HAPPENS HAPPENS.

BUT AT SOME POINT, IF THAT PUMP STATION FAILS, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO HOUSES WITHOUT SEWAGE.

THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR THEM.

AND, UH, SCOTT, YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING BEFORE ABOUT, WE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT PUMP STATION.

WE DIDN'T INSTALL IT.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE SPECS ON IT OR WHATEVER.

SO IS THERE A WAY THAT W CAN WE GO AHEAD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT, TO OUR SPECS THAT THOSE GRINDER PUMPS IN LINES AND WHATNOT WOULD COST SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST PROPOSE TO THEM WHAT A, UM, ASSESSMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE? AND I MEAN, IT, THEY MAY FIND IT REASONABLE IN THE END.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT IS, I'D LIKE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ONES THAT WANT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AS PART OF THAT NEXT STEP.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO TO FIND OUT TOO, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO FIX THIS ONE UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS, REPLACEMENT VALUE, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO YES, ARE THOSE JUST FROM A COST DISCUSSION, THOSE THINGS ARE THOSE, THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT STAFF CAN HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN, AND THEN BRING, BRING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT PUBLICLY.

BUT, BUT I MEAN, THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT AREN'T LIMITED TO A PUBLIC MEETING.

THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS STAFF CAN HAVE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, CORRECT.

ONCE YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

RICHARD DENMARK, ALL YOU'LL DO.

EVEN IF WE DECIDED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THE LIFT STATION IS STILL PART OF OUR PROPERTY AND REGARDLESS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET FINE.

JUST THE SAME AS HE IS.

SO EVEN IF WE CHOSE TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH THE CITY, HELPING US, WE ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE HALFWAY IN OUR PROPERTY, AND THERE WAS NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, FOR, FOR, FOR FUTURE.

I MEAN, YEAH.

I MEAN, I, I CERTAINLY CAN SEE WHERE THAT'S, WHERE THAT ISN'T AN ISSUE.

UM, IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, COUNSELORS ARE GONNA DECIDE TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY OR, OR LEAVE.

IT'S STILL JUST PRIVATE BASED ON, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE CITY TAKING IT ON, HELPING US OUT.

YOU GUYS PUTTING IT IN OUR LAND TAXES, YOU PUTTING IT IN A DIFFERENT SURCHARGE TO US.

I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY IT, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO GET DONE EITHER THAT NEEDS TO GET SHUT DOWN AND WE NEED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE IF MR. CARTER DECIDES TO TAKE OVER THE LIFT STATION BY HIMSELF.

AND HE DECIDES NOT TO GET IT FIXED.

WELL, THEN WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE, BUT THEY HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT.

NOPE, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT SITUATION IS NOW.

RIGHT? NONE OF THAT WOULD CHANGE AFTER WE, WHATEVER, WHEREVER WE DID.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MARK.

YOU HAD A COMMENT, RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU PLAN.

RUSS, UM, DO ALL SUBDIVISIONS AND UBUR HEIGHTS HAVE LIFT STATIONS.

NO.

SOME DO SOME DON'T RIGHT.

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BUT ABOUT 17 OR 19 DOES.

SO THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE A LIFT STATION, DO THEY TAKE THAT BACK? I THINK PROBABLY MOST DO IF I HAD THIS.

BUT GO AHEAD.

SOME DON'T THOUGH, SOME SUBDIVISIONS DON'T HAVE A LIFT STATION.

QUAIL RIDGE IS GOING IN THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE.

I DON'T THINK, UM, THERE'S A FEW OTHERS THAT DON'T OKAY.

THE RESIDENTS AND A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS A LIFT STATION.

DO THEY PAY MORE FOR SEWAGE? NO.

SO THE COST OF THE LIFT STATION IS BORNE BY ALL THE CITIZENS.

WELL, THE DEVELOPER USERS DEVELOPER PAYS TO PUT IT IN AND HE BUILDS IT USUALLY TO OUR STANDARDS, WHICH WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS.

PRIVATE ONES SOMETIMES WILL BE PUT IN A LOT SMALLER.

WELL, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITE SET OF STANDARDS FOR PUMP STATIONS, BUT USUALLY IT'S BUILT TO THE CORRECT STANDARDS.

ANYWAYS.

I SHOULD STOP.

THERE YOU GO.

A PRIVATE ONE COULD JUST BE BUILT.

YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE PUT IN, ANY PUMPS COULD BE PUT IN WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

IT WASN'T OUR STANDARD.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T ALWAYS LIKE PRIVATE SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

AND THEN THEY LATER THEY WANT US TO TAKE IT OVER AND THEN LIKE, YOU DIDN'T BUILD IT TO OUR STANDARDS.

AND OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME, THE MAINTENANCE IS MORE THAN WHAT THE LIFT STATION COSTS TO BUILD.

IT COULD, YEAH.

WOULD YOU HAVE TO REPLACE PUMPS AND THE PUMPS GO OUT.

THEY DON'T LAST FOREVER.

SO FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, THE MAINTENANCE COSTS MORE THAN THE LIFT STATION DID.

ANY, ANY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION COULD BE GRAVITY AND IT COULD BE BUILT AS SUCH AND COULD ELIMINATE THE LIFT STATION.

AND THE REASON WHY MOST SUBDIVISIONS HAVE LIFT STATIONS IS IT'S CHEAPER FOR THE DEVELOPER.

IT'S USUALLY THE SANITARY SEWER.

UM, THE REASON YOU PUT THEM IN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOW AREA, RIGHT.

AND YOU CAN'T GET TO THE SANITARY SEWER.

CAUSE IT'S ALL BY GRAVITY.

THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THEM, YOU HAVE TO GET TO A MANHOLE.

THEN IT BECOMES GRAVITY.

IF THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO SPEND ENOUGH MONEY.

YOU COULD DO ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS, GRAVITY, NO.

I MEAN, TAKE LIKE A CALENDAR FARMS OR ARTISTS AND WALK OUT THERE.

THOSE ARE PUMPS THAT THEY HAVE PUMP STATIONS AT PUMP, UH, TO THE WEST OVER BELL FOUNTAIN.

AND THEN IT GOES BY GRAVITY DOWN TO THE PLANT.

NOW, EVENTUALLY WE'D LIKE TO TAKE UP, TAKE SOME SANITARY SEWER FROM DOWN BY ROUTE FOUR AND BRING IT UP THE HILL.

AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN TIE IT INTO WHERE THE PUMP STATION IS LIMITED THE PUMP STATIONS, BECAUSE NOW IT'S BY GRAVITY GOING DOWN TO ROUTE FOUR AND SOME, SOME SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE LIFT STATIONS COULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE LIFT STATION, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH GREATER COST TO THE DEVELOPER.

NOT AT ALL.

CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S JUST STILL PLACE SOMETIMES.

POSSIBLY SOMETIMES.

TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF WILD VIEW.

WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE RAN SANITARY SEWER DOWN TO SANDAL VIEW AND WE ELIMINATED A PUMP STATION.

THAT WAS THE END AT THE END OF WILD VIEW.

AND THERE WAS A, IT WAS PRETTY FAR TO GO, BUT IT WAS WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN TO RUN A SANITARY GRAVITY LINE DOWN THERE TO GET THERE.

BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST NO PLACE TO TAKE IT.

YOU HAVE TO.

LIKE A SHAWL AND BRANT.

THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S LOW.

AND THEN YOU CAN'T GET THE, YOU CAN'T GET THE SANITARY OUT ENOUGH TO GET TO THE PLANT.

SO IT DOESN'T GO DOWN UP UPHILL.

WELL AT SHOW THE ONE THAT SHOAL IN, UM, IN BRANT, IT PUMPS IT UP SHORT ROAD TO A MANHOLE THAT'S THEN BECOMES GRAVITY AND GOES TO THE WEST.

SO THE COST OF THE MAINTENANCES IS BORN BY THE TAXPAYERS.

THE NUMBER OF A SUBDIVISION.

AND IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE THREE USERS.

AND WHAT WOULD, UM, INAPPROPRIATE LIFT STATION COST? TWO SERVICES, THREE HOMES.

DID YOU SAY, YOU MEAN LIKE AN ANNUAL COST OR NO COST TO BUILD AN NIGHT? I THOUGHT IT WAS TO BUILD THAT OUT.

THE ONE WE DID AT KOSNER WAS A LOT BIGGER, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS 400,000.

NO, I THOUGHT YOU'D GIVEN, UH, A COST ESTIMATE TODAY IF YOU REPLACE.

OH, I JUST, TH HE TOLD ME THAT THE PUMPS WERE PROBABLY GOING TO BE FAILING.

IT'S GOING TO BE ELECTRICAL WORK YOUR MINIMUM.

I'M GUESSING 10 TO $30,000.

TO GET THAT LIFT STATION UP.

AND THEN HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST A MONTH TO MAINTAIN IT? DO YOU THINK? DO YOU HAVE ANY, WELL, IF IT BECOMES OURS AND WE'RE PAYING AN ELECTRIC BILL FROM THAT POINT, I DON'T.

AND, UH, MAINTAINING IT.

NOT A LOT.

I MEAN, USUALLY I DON'T HAVE MUCH MAINTENANCE UNTIL THE PUMPS GO OUT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT LEAST FIVE TO 10,000 FOR A PUMP.

THE, THE ONE OWNER THAT'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, UM, WE'LL CALL HIM ONE THERE'S ONE, TWO AND THREE.

UH, SO YEAH.

AND THEN THESE PUMPS APPARENTLY HAVE LASTED PRETTY LONG.

SO THANKS MAYOR.

WAS IT GLEN OR MR. OKAY.

COME BACK TO KATE.

JARED IS FOR YOU.

SO TO, UM, MS. COMMENT WITH

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IF, IF AN OFFER WAS PUT OUT AND LET'S SAY HOMES TWO AND THREE SAID, YES, WE'LL DO THAT.

SO WE GOT THE CHECK VALVES, WE GOT THE GRINDER, PUMPS ARE RUNNING INTO THAT, UH, THAT, THAT FORCE MAIN AND HOME NUMBER ONE, DECLINES, AND STAYS ON THAT PUMP.

AND THEN THAT PUMP FAILS AND THEY GOT A SEWAGE BACKUP.

IS THAT ON ANYONE BUT HIM? WELL, THE LACK OF SEWERS HAS PROBLEM.

RIGHT? WHAT, UM, THE HOMEOWNER IS EXPRESSING IS THAT ACCORDING TO THE EPA, THAT THE FINES GO WITH THE PROPERTY AND NOT WITH NECESSARILY THE LIFT STATION.

NOW I'M TAKING THAT AT FACE VALUE.

I HAVE NO REASON TO SAY THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.

IT SEEMS THAT IF YOU WOULD SAY, THIS IS A PRIVATE LIFT STATION THAT SERVES ONE HOUSE AND IT'S ONE PERSON'S PAYING FOR ONE PERSON THAT DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT.

THEY SHOULD GO TO THAT ONE PERSON.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EPA RULES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I HAVE IT DOWN TO LOOK AT IT THOUGH.

CAN WE CHECK FROM THIS MR. MCDONALD? UM, LIKE MR. OTTO SAID, PROPERTY WANTED TO TAKE IT THE FIRST TO TAKE IT.

THE THIRD RESIDENT IS NOT COMPLIANT AND CHOOSES NOT TO TAKE IT.

COULD WE QUICK LANE, THE GENTLEMEN, THAT'S TIED TO THE PUMP OUT OF IT AND HAVE IT RECORDED.

AND THAT WAY YOU CAN'T TRANSFER PROPERTY TO SOMEONE ELSE WITHOUT WHAT THEY CALL DELIVERY OF THE DATE, WHICH MEANS THE PERSON GETTING THE PROPERTY HAS TO ACCEPT IT.

SO THAT'D BE LIKE YOU SAYING, OH, THIS GARBAGE HAS ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS. I'M JUST GOING TO QUICK CLAIM IT TO MY NEIGHBOR.

FILE THAT AND SAY, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM.

YES, RUSS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE THING, ACCORDING TO OUR GIS, THAT PUMP STATION IS ON PROPERTY.

NUMBER ONE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS FULLY DOWN FROM THAT PUMP STATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE HAD THE LOT LINE CHECKED, HAVE HAD A SURVEY DONE.

YOU HAD IT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY OUR GIS USUALLY ISN'T THAT FAR OFF.

IT'S USUALLY A FOOT OR TWO, BUT OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU OF THAT.

WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOME, DID YOU HAVE A SURVEY DONE, THEN YOU DID THE SURVEY SHORTLY AFTER THE PUDDING.

SORRY.

NO.

UM, WE WENT TO PUT A SPLIT RAIL FENCE UP AND THIS LITTLE ROW BLEW A GASKET AND SAID WE BETTER HAVE THE PROPERTY SURVEYED.

SO WE'VE HIRED A SURVEYOR TO FIND ALL THE POINTS ON OUR PROPERTY TO VERIFY THEY WERE THERE.

AND THE ONLY TWO POINTS THAT WERE MISSING WERE THE ONES THAT BORDER THAT FENCE.

AND THEN ONCE WE HAD IT SURVEYED THE TWO REBARS PUT BACK IN THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT HOW FAR OFF THE PRESUMED PROPERTY LINE WAS, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE PROPERTY WAS GOING FROM THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY TO A POWER POLE IN THE BACK.

AND ONCE IT GOT RE SURVEYED, WE, UM, ACCUMULATED 17 PER YEAR FROM THE SURVEY, WHICH STARTED A FIGHT BETWEEN US AND THEM.

AND THE CITY SAID, WELL, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A SURVEYOR THAT HAD IT DONE, WE'RE BACK IN THE SURVEYOR.

WE'RE NOT BACKING ONE RESIDENT OR THE OTHER WE'RE BACK ON THE SURVEY OF THERE DID THE SURVEY AND THE GUY WHO DID THE SURVEYING TOLD US HE WAS THE ORIGINAL PERSON WHO DIVIDED UP THE PROPERTY.

WHAT DID YOUR APPRAISAL SAY? YOU HAVE YOUR APPRAISAL FOR THEM.

USUALLY IT SPELLS OUT ON THE TITLE.

I CAME UP USUALLY ON A TITLE SEARCH.

IT TELLS YOU RODS AND PINS OR LEGAL DESCRIPTION ON AN APPRAISAL.

IT'LL TELL YOU MRS. SURVEY.

WE POINT TO ME WHERE YOU'RE, THIS IS A SURVEY.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR APPRAISAL? OKAY.

NO, NO, IT'S FINE.

I JUST, I JUST QUESTIONED, SO I'M SORRY.

I JUST WANT IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE CAN HAVE TO HELP WITH WHATEVER THE PROCESS OR KIND OF WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT STAFF WOULD COME BACK TO WHAT WE CAN DO.

I MEAN, ANY DOCUMENTATION IS GOING TO IS GOING TO HELP THEM OUT.

IF YOU FIND YOUR TITLE, HOPEFULLY USUALLY YOUR TITLE COMPANY LOOKS LIKE, HEY, WE, THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY AND THAT NO, NO, NO, BUT LIKE IT WILL, THEY WILL BACK UP WHAT'S ON THERE AND TELL YOU WHAT'S COVERED AS YOUR PROPERTY.

AND IF THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU, SOMETIMES IT'S SPELLED ON YOUR APPRAISAL SOMETIMES ON YOUR TITLE.

UM, CAN I SAY THE, WHAT YOU HAVE REAL QUICK SURVEY.

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THANK YOU, MR. MCDONALD.

IS THIS THE ONLY SURVEY THAT YOU HAD DONE ON THE PROFIT? YES.

OF WE PUT THE, UM, THANKS.

SO IS THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I THINK THE DIRECTION WE'LL MOVE IS AS WE'LL HAVE, UM, LIKE SKYLAR STANDS, THE INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED, THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, PUT SOME COSTS TO IT.

I THINK AS YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, EVEN THEN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

UM, AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS, IT WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION WITH SOME OPTIONS AND THEN, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN MAKE IT A RECOMMENDATION OR DECISION FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THEN TO DECIDE WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

SO THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

I THINK THAT THAT'S HOW THAT'S, HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD THERE.

IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS AMANITA FIELD PARKING AND AMENITIES, RATHER THAN THIS.

THE NEXT

[ Monita Field Parking/Amenities]

LET ME GO BACK TO THE, UH, JUST GO IN THIS ORDER DIFFERENT THAN ON THE MEETING.

IS THAT EVEN ON THAT? SO JUST GO WITH, OH YEAH.

SO I'M GONNA GO HERE, JUST GO WITH THIS.

SO THREE, I, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I'M THREE I, WHICH IS MEANING FIELD PARKING AND THEN AMENITIES WHERE WE WANT TO START, SIR.

UH, WHAT, UH, MR. KING, UH, TALK AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, WE HAD SOME MORE DISCUSSION AND, UM, I KNOW MR. KING WAS, UH, UH, TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, DIAL PARK AND THE POWELL ROAD PROPERTY.

UH, SO MR. KING CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALSO, UM, HE HAS A, UH, ANOTHER IDEA ABOUT MANITA FIELD BEHIND ME FORWARD.

UM, YOU WANT ME TO DO THE PARKING FIRST BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT? OKAY.

SO, UM, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY GOT OUR BIDS, UH, WHEN SCOTT AND I LOOKED AT THE ONE FROM WAGNER, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ON IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING.

IT HAD A LINE THAT SAID TOTAL AREA.

UM, BUT REALLY WHEN I SENT THE CONTRACT TO THEM TO SIGN THAT, THEY SAID, NOPE, IT'S ALL OF THIS COMBINED.

SO I THINK THE LEGISLATION STATED, UH, 30,007 17 NOT TO EXCEED 35 AND THE ACTUAL PRICE TO HAVE THE ASPHALT DONE FOR THE TWO PARKING LOTS.

AND THE ROAD IS 66,001 16.

UH, SO THE DIFFERENCE OF 35, 3 99 THERE, UM, THAT WE NEED TO, UH, I GUESS, REDO THE LEGISLATION ON OR HOWEVER THAT IS, UM, IT'S, THERE'S A PROPOSED NEW LEGISLATION IN THE PACKETS FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK, UH, OUT THERE FOR THE, NOT TO EXCEED 30 SOME THOUSAND.

SO THAT WAS THE FIRST PART THERE.

THE PARKING HERE IS THE PICTURE.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, WE'VE SEEN THIS PICTURE BEFORE, UM, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION, SPEAKING WITH THEM, THE, UM, BICYCLE PLAYGROUND IS, IS PRETTY MUCH USELESS WITHOUT THE TRAILS IN THE WOODS.

IT, IT HELPS KIDS FOR THAT TYPE OF RIDING.

IT DOESN'T DO MUCH FOR ON THE ROAD RIDING OR NEIGHBORHOOD, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, WITH THIS, WE CAN DO THE PUMP TRACK IN THAT BACK LOCATION, THE ARMORED BMX TRACK, WHERE IT WAS PLANNED TO BE THE SKILLS LOOP, WHICH PROBABLY WON'T LOOK LIKE THAT BECAUSE AS SCOTT AND I HAVE SAT DOWN AND LOOKED, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THAT FROM WAY BACK AT THE DEAD END OVER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT APPROACHABLE.

UM, BUT THIS WAY WE CAN SAVE THE BASEBALL FIELDS.

SINCE WE DO HAVE A GROUP INTERESTED IN A FIVE-YEAR LEASE ON THEM.

UM, WE CAN FIT THE STUFF IN THERE.

AND THEN I THINK THE RC TRACK THAT WAS PROPOSED, WE CAN PUT IT SOMEWHERE.

I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GREAT BACK HERE.

UM, GARY SHERMAN, I'M SURE WE CAN FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO SQUEEZE IT IN THAT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF THE PROPOSAL THERE.

UM, STILL LEAVES US ROOM IN THE DEAD END FOR THE CONCESSION AND, UH, THE SEATING AREA AND GAZEBO IN BETWEEN THE TWO AS WELL.

AWAY, ALL THE, ALL THE WIND OUT OF THE SAILS OF ANYTHING HAPPENING OVER ON THE, UH, THE WEST SIDE OF OUR TOWN.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ANYTHING TO ADD CLINT? UM, I'M STILL NOT A HUGE FAN OF PACKING IT ALL INTO ONE SPOT.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE A, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF TAKES EVERYTHING

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UM, OVERBOARD ONE, UM, IF ALL THIS IS GOING HERE, IS THERE, I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF WALKED AWAY FROM AN INITIAL DISCUSSION WHERE WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN A PARK OVER IN WARD ONE.

AND THEN EVEN THOUGH WE SHIFTED GEARS, WE WERE STILL STAYING IN WARD ONE AND GOING SOUTH WITH SOMETHING ON A POWELL ROAD.

AND, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSITION IS TO PROVIDE SOME AMENITIES AND THOSE IN PLACE OF THOSE THINGS FOR THOSE PEOPLE OVER IN THAT AREA OF TOWN, IF WE'RE GOING TO CRAM EVERYTHING INTO ONE SMALL SPACE, ADDITIONALLY, I'D SAY THAT THE SKILLS LOOP, I I'M SURE I CAN'T PUMP A BIKE UP UP THAT HILL.

UM, IS THAT GONNA WORK FOR KIDS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BICYCLE WELL, SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHY WE WERE TALKING, BRING THAT PATH, UM, FROM OVER AT THE DEAD END AND BRING IT ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THIS OTHER TREE LINE.

I MEAN, JUST TO MAKE IT MORE OF A GRADUAL KIND OF, NOT PARALLEL WITH THE HILL, BUT JUST SLIGHTLY ACROSS IT.

AND THAT'S ALL STUFF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT, UM, BY THE DESIGNER I'VE SENT THEM THE TOPOGRAPHY, BUT EVEN THAT DOESN'T REALLY DO IT JUSTICE.

UM, AND YOU KIND OF HAVE TO BE ON SITE TO SEE WHAT THAT HILL IS.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SIGN IT AS DESIGNED TO BUILD AND WHEN THEY GET THERE, IT COMPLETELY CHANGES.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED LATER.

UM, I WOULD THINK AS, AS THEY'RE BUILDING, I'M ALL FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR KIDS AND WITHIN OUR PARKS, BUT I, I'M JUST NOT A FAN OF W YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT THREE LOCATIONS TO PUT SOME AMENITIES INTO AND THEN CRAMMING IT ALL INTO ONE.

UM, KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY SPREADING, SPREADING THE WEALTH, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, I CAN'T SOUND IN FAVOR OF STUFFING IT ALL INTO ONE AREA WHEN WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING IN THE OTHER AREAS WHATSOEVER.

UM, PARKS AND REC BOARD THIS THURSDAY, UM, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS FAR AS DIAL PARK, AND AS FAR AS POWELL ROAD, UM, VINCENT I'VE WORKED ON, UH, SOME SURVEY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A SURVEY OUT FOR DIAL ROAD TO KIND OF GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE WHOLE AREA OF, OF WHAT WOULD LOOK GOOD THERE.

AND WE'RE PLANNING THE SAME THING FOR POWELL.

UH, WE'RE JUST KINDA TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A GAME PLAN TOGETHER FOR POWELL TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS TO FIT IN THE SPACE.

I'M WORKING WITH A LANDSCAPE DESIGNER FOR THE PARK FEATURES THERE AS WELL TO KIND OF GET SOME GRAPHICS OF WHAT WE CAN PUT HERE AND THERE.

SO NOTHING'S BEING PUT ASIDE, WE'RE JUST GETTING OUR RESEARCH TOGETHER TO SEE THIS IS WHAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC AND SEE WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE GET.

OKAY, WELL THEN I'D RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE ARMOUR BMX TRACK AND THE SKATE PARK, UM, UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION BACK AND SEE WHAT, UH, PARKS AND REC AND THE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY, UM, IN MY OPINION, JUST PUT, PUT IT ON HOLD AND JUST DO THE THINGS THAT ARE PRE-APPROVED ALREADY.

AND, UH, WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE INFORMATION BACK RIGHT TOO ON IT, IF ANYTHING.

UH, YES.

UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN PART, WHEN PARK GOES OUT TO GET THE SURVEY FOR COMMUNITY PARK, ARE WE GOING TO ASK WHAT PEOPLE, HOW PEOPLE WANT TO USE THAT PROPERTY, NOT JUST ADDING THE, THE, UH, THE SPORTS AMENITIES.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER? YEAH, YEAH.

NO, IT WON'T, IT WON'T BE JUST SPORTS AMENITIES.

IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUNDS.

WELL, I MEAN, WE'LL GIVE A WIDE ARRAY OF OPTIONS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE, UM, TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S GOING TO BEST SUIT THOSE CLOSEST TO IT.

AND THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD BE COMING THERE TO HOLD A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR THINGS OF THE SUCH AS WELL.

SO ARE, HAVE WE, HAS THE COMMITTEE ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO UPGRADE THE BASKETBALL COURT AND THE JUNGLE GYM OR WHATEVER THAT THING IS CALLED? HAVE I, HAVE WE DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE? OR ARE WE WAITING UNTIL WE GET MORE OF, AND WE HAVEN'T SPENT A MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE DO HAVE OUR, UM, MAINTENANCE LIST THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS THURSDAY.

UM, SO I'M SURE THE BASKETBALL COURT, AS WELL AS THE BASKETBALL COURTS AT THE OTHER PARKS ARE ALL IN THERE.

UM, BUT I DO, I MEAN, I HAVE ALL SORTS OF PLANS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, AND ALL OF THOSE WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH PARKS AND REC BOARD AND WITH THE COMMUNITY ONCE WE GET TO THAT MEETING.

THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH LINKS TO ADD TO IT.

AND THE NEXT STEP ON THIS ONE IS TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE ARCHITECT AND THEN A COST, IS THAT THE SAME? UH, THEY ALREADY TOLD US WHETHER THAT GOES AT DIAL, WHETHER THAT GOES TO MONITA, WHETHER THAT GOES TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE COST FOR THAT WILL BE THE SAME FOR THE SKILLS LOOP AND THE PUMP TRACK.

THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE IF WE MADE THE SKILLS LOOP LONGER, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, LINEAR FOOTAGE IS GOING TO ADD PRICE, BUT

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UM, SO ACTUALLY THIS ONE'S READY TO GO.

IT COULD BE, YES.

AND IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BUILT IN THE SPRING.

THAT I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS ON THAT.

UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE DOING THE ARMORED BMX TRACK.

SO I ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD FORM THE PUMP TRACK AT THE SAME TIME SINCE THE DIRT'S ALREADY ON SITE.

BUT AS FAR AS WHEN THEY WERE TO GET HERE AND BE ABLE TO START DOING THE ASPHALT PORTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD FIND OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU BELIEVE, UM, CAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS ONE MOVE FORWARD WHILE WE'RE DOING THE OTHER STUFF.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM HERE, MAYBE WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON, UH, SOME COST SAVINGS.

I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER JOSH.

WASN'T THE, WAS THE SKILL, THE SKILLS LOOP WAS ON THE LAST VERSION TOO.

SO THE ONLY THING HAS BEEN HERE IS, IS JUST THE PUMP TRACK, CORRECT.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS WHEN WE'VE SEEN THE PUMPS TRACK WAS ON THE LAST ONE.

IT WAS WHERE THE BASEBALL FIELDS WERE.

BUT I MEAN, JUST IN TERMS OF THE AMENITY AT MANITA, NOT NECESSARILY WHERE IT'S AT, BUT THE, THE, THE S THE SKILLS LOOP.

IT WASN'T A PART OF THE ORIGINAL SKATE PARK BMX TRACK.

NOW THE SKILLS LOOP AND THE PUMP TRACK WERE BOTH DIAL AMENITIES.

SO THEY WERE BOTH MOVED HERE FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS DESIGN OPPOSED TO BEING NOWHERE.

AND THEN, SO THE MAMA HAS THEN SAID THAT IT'S OKAY.

SO THE, THE BIKE PLAYGROUND IS DIFFERENT THAN THE SKILLS, LIKE THE BIKE PLAYGROUND IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE WITH THE TRAILS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS.

THE BIKE PLAYGROUND IS MORE GRAVEL AND IT MORE HAS KIND OF OBSTACLES THAT KIDS WOULD RIDE OVER AND AROUND TO GET THEM USED TO THAT FEELING OF RIDING IN THE WOODS AND THE COMFORT OF RIDING BETWEEN OBSTACLES, YOU WOULD FIND IN THE WOODS.

SO YEAH, TALKING WITH THEM, I MEAN, SURE.

THERE COULD BE SOME USE FOR IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S TRUE.

PURPOSE IS TO TRAIN KIDS, YOU KNOW, TO BE PREPARED, TO RIDE IN THE WOODS.

WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE ABOUT THE PUMP TRACK THERE IS THAT IT'S STILL, IT, IT'S ANOTHER BIKE HUMIDITY.

THAT'S AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A BMX BIKE THERE.

SO KIDS ARE GONNA BE GOING THERE WITH THEIR BIKES ANYWAY.

AND I THINK THE PUMP TRACK BEING ASPHALT, ANYTHING WITH WHEELS, THE SKATEBOARDS, ROLLER BLADES, ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

THEY CAN USE THE PUMP TRACK BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S AN ASPHALT TRACK AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST RIDING YOUR SKATEBOARD ROLLER BLADE OR WHATEVER IT IS ON A, ON A SKATEBOARD RAMP.

SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME THERE, THE SKILLS LOOP, WHAT ALL DOES THIS, WHAT ALL IS A SKILLS LOOP ENTAIL? I GUESS SO, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CROWDED, OR IF THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THAT ELEVATION, IS THIS IS THE SKILLS LOOP AND NECESSITY THERE WITH WHAT ELSE IS THERE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD GO WITH, IF WE DETERMINE THERE WAS SOMEPLACE TO PUT THE, UM, THE PLAYGROUND AND TRAIL SOMEWHERE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THERE OR DOES, OR DOES THE SKILLS LOOP MAKE SENSE WHERE THE BMX TRACK OF THE PUMP TRACKS GOING TO BE? IT'S KIND OF AN EITHER, OR, OR IMAGINE THE SKILLS YOU TAKE YOUR PUNK TRACK AND YOU JUST KIND OF UNFOLDED AND STRETCH IT OUT.

SO YOU'VE GOT LONGER DISTANCES IN BETWEEN YOUR, YOUR ROLLERS AND YOU'VE GOT SOME BANK TURNS.

GOTCHA.

SO THAT'S NOT JUST A FLAT, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S NOT JUST A FLAT TRAIL.

IT IS ACTUALLY TOWARD ASPHALT TRAIL ITSELF.

SO THE ROLLERS ON IT, IT'S GOT SOME BANK TURNS.

SO AGAIN, I MEAN, IT SIMULATE SAY YOU WERE MOUNTAIN BIKING ON ASPHALT AND MORE OF AN URBAN MOUNTAIN BIKE FEEL IS WHAT THAT WOULD BE.

UM, SO YEAH, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE TAKING THAT PUMP, TRACK, STRETCHING IT OUT AROUND THE PROPERTY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD PUT THERE AND IT WOULD FIT.

OR IF WE FOUND A PLACE LATER THAT WORKED FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS, IT COULD FIT THERE TOO.

SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN EITHER OR, OKAY.

THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES SENSE FROM A THERE, JUST FROM, BECAUSE I THINK THE KIDS THAT ARE ON SKATES AND I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET LOTS OF PEOPLE USE THAT PARTICULAR PIECE, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A, A VERY SMOOTH ASPHALT SURFACE THAT KIDS ARE GONNA LEARN RIGHT ON.

UM, SO YES, I MEAN, THAT HILLSIDE IS THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR BIGGEST THING IS DESIGNING AROUND THAT.

WOULD BE PART OF THE, OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES.

AND THEN, SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A FAIRLY GOOD COMPROMISE THAT THE, THE, UM, THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS ARE STILL THERE.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THAT.

UM, WE HAVE A PLAN TO WORK WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IN TERMS OF AMENITIES, IF ANY, AT DIAL AND AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND THEN, SO WHAT'S REALLY LEFT THEN IS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE TRAILS COULD MAKE SENSE OR GO, AND THEN THIS, AND THEN THE ACTUAL BIKE PLAYGROUND

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SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, OKAY.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT IT MAKES SENSE.

SO OTHER, WELL, THE MOUNTAIN BIKING, THAT'S WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO STAY TOGETHER.

WE'RE AT WHEREVER THEY'RE AT.

YOU WERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND HAD A RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK YOU HAD GONE TO THE PARKS AND REC COMMISSION PRIOR TO COMING HERE AND THEY HAD VOTED AFFIRMATIVELY FOR WHAT YOU PROPOSED.

HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM YOUR LAST PROPOSAL? WELL, LAST PROPOSAL WAS POWELL ROAD.

UM, AND, AND TO PUT THE AMENITIES DOWN THERE.

UM, SO THIS PROPOSAL OBVIOUSLY IS A DIFF IS AT MONITA.

UM, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S, IT'S TAKING OUT ONE ELEMENT THAT WAS MAKING IT MORE CROWDED AND ALSO GOING TO CAUSE US TO LOSE AMENITIES WITH THE BASEBALL FIELDS.

SO THIS IS SAVING THE BASEBALL FIELDS CAUSE WE HAVE A GROUP THAT WANTS TO USE THEM AND IS WILLING TO PAY, TO USE THEM AND, AND STILL PUTTING THOSE AMENITIES IN THAT PLACE.

AND THEN IT OPENS UP FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER THINGS AT POWELL ROAD.

SO LET ME ASK THIS WAY PRIOR TO POWELL ROAD, YOU HAD AMENITIES TO PUT SOMEWHERE THAT WEREN'T GOING AT DIAL.

WHAT ARE YOU NOT PUTTING AT MANITA NOW? JUST THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.

AND THE RC TRACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A FIRM THING OR NOT.

I THINK IT WAS JUST AN IDEA.

MA'AM OKAY, JOSH, I'M GOING TO GET MY BMX BIKE OUT.

UM, HOW DID THE ARMOR BMX TRACK THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THAT? WOULD I BE JUMPING ON THE SKILLS LOOP TO GET UP TO THE BMX TRACK? DO YOU SIT ALL TIME TOGETHER OR WHERE THEY'LL BE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE BMX TRACK? YEAH.

AN ACCESS POINT CAN BE CREATED.

UM, IT COULD EVEN BE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET ON THE SKILLS LOOP AND THEN THERE'S A CUTOFF FROM THE SKILLS LOOP, WHICH IS EASILY WITH SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, BMX TRACK AND STAY ON THE SKILLS WE'VE PUT IN IT.

A LOT OF PLACES WILL DROP AMENITIES IN THE MIDDLE LIKE THAT AND JUST PUT SIGNAGE UP.

SO YEAH, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ARMS OF THAT SKILLS LOOP AND MAKE ANOTHER TRAIL COME RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE TO THAT'D BE AN EXTRA.

DID YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE AT ALL? VISUALIZING ME ON A BMX BIKE WHEN I WAS JUST CHECKING.

UM, I LIKED THE WAY THAT THAT WORKS OUT.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, SERIOUSLY ABOUT BMX SAM SKILLS, LOU, PAM PUMP TRACK.

IF I GO THERE ON MY I'M A 15 YEAR OLD, I GO THERE ON MY BMX BIKE.

AM I ABLE TO USE ALL THREE OF THOSE AMENITIES ON THAT SAME BIKE? YEAH.

A LOT OF, A LOT OF YOUR PUNK TRACK, UM, RACES AND STUFF ARE ON BMX BIKES.

SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER TIRE, BUT THERE'S NOT A WHOLE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL MOSTLY SINGLE-SPEED BIKES.

SO ANY OF THAT CAN BE WRITTEN ANYTHING WITH WHEELS MINUS THE ARMORED BMX TRACK.

I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET SKATEBOARDS AND ROLLER BLADES ON THAT CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGH GRAVEL, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE ASPHALT.

SO ANYTHING CAN RIDE ON, I MEAN, EVEN THE KIDS ON THOSE STRIDER BIKES WITH NO PEDALS AND JUST THEIR LEGS RUNNING WOULD RIDE THOSE THINGS ALL THE TIME, FOLLOWING ALL THE STUFF.

MA'AM EITHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

SURE.

I THINK IT WAS JUST SHAPE.

UM, JOSH, I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON COUNCIL AND CAMPBELL'S QUESTION.

UH, PREVIOUS, UM, IT WAS MY INTERPRETATION THAT STAFF WAS PRETTY STEADFAST AND THE RECOMMENDATION ALONG WITH THE UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD TO PUT SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE SEE HERE DOWN DATA, COMMUNITY CENTER, AS THE PARKS MANAGER, CAN YOU JUST IN PLAIN ENGLISH, TELL ME WHERE THAT RECOMMENDATION CHANGED AND WHY? UM, I MEAN THE RECOMMENDATION WAS POWELL, BUT IT WAS GOING NOWHERE.

UM, AND IT, IT WAS, IN MY OPINION, IT SEEMED THAT IT WAS GOING LOSE THE BASEBALL FIELDS OR BUILD NOTHING OTHER THAN THOSE.

UM, SO LOOKING MORE INTO IT, YOU KNOW, AND DISCUSSING WITH SCOTT, IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY CAUSE THOSE AMENITIES ARE IMPORTANT, NO MATTER WHERE THEY'RE AT THOSE AMENITIES ARE IMPORTANT, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE GREAT VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE KIDS.

UM, AND IF IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, SIT ON IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS THING OR GET IT DONE IN A PLACE THAT WORKS, THEN I'D RATHER GET IT DONE IN A PLACE THAT WORKS AND SIT ON IT.

I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

THAT'S A, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE, UH, THE PUMP TRACK THAT WE SEE HERE, UM, AND VERSUS THE PUMP TRACK THAT WAS INITIALLY DESIGNED DOWN AT POWELL ROAD.

UM, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN SIZES? I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT REGULATION SIZE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT OTHER THINGS.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT REALLY CHANGED WITH THAT?

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I THINK, I THINK A SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE SAME AND JUST HOW THEY SHAPED IT AND, UH, THAT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH THEM AND TO SAY, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE THIS IS REGULATION SIZE.

IF THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GO A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE TREES AND DO A LITTLE SCRUB BRUSH, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS STILL THAT REGULATION SIZE SO WE CAN USE IT IN A LARGER SCALE IF WE WANTED TO.

PERFECT.

UM, TWO OTHER POINTS.

UM, W W I, WE SEEN THE, UH, THE BIDS AND YOU DISCUSSED THEM ON THE PRICING FOR THE PARKING LOT, WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOW SAVING THESE BASEBALL FIELDS, UH, FROM, FROM BEING DESTROYED.

UM, THE PARKING LOT THAT'S IN EXISTENCE THERE.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY NOW TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK TO EXPAND THAT PARKING LOT NOW? UM, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WHAT TO DO IN THE FUTURE? UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH SCOTT TO SEE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOME DRAINAGE WORK NO MATTER WHAT WE DO THERE.

UM, AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A RETENTION AREA DOWN IN THIS, UH, I GUESS THAT'S THE SOUTHERN TIP THERE.

WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME RETENTION WORK THERE.

UM, I'M NOT SAYING IF WE'RE MOVING DIRT AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT GUYS ON SITE FOR PAVING, WE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAD SOME PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ON PARKING LOT EXPANSION.

I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LINING UP JUST TO DO IT NOW.

AND SO, BUT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR PROFESSIONAL PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON THAT.

I'LL, I'LL GET WITH SCOTT AND WE'LL SEE, UM, HOW IT LAYS INTO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO FOR DRAINAGE.

AND IF IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, WE CAN HAVE THEM REBID THAT OR REQUOTE THAT, HOWEVER, THAT NEEDS TO GO AND GO FROM THERE.

PERFECT.

UH, LAST QUESTION, UH, WHEN THE USER GROUPS, UH, UM, UH, OFFICIALLY SIGNED THIS FIVE-YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT, UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING READY TO GO TO MAKE THEM VERY SUCCESSFUL TO START OPERATIONS IN SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.

AM I CORRECT? UH, YEAH.

AS LONG AS I'M ABLE TO GET THOSE FIELDS DONE THIS FALL, THEY'LL BE READY TO GO FOR SCHOOL.

THANK YOU, JOSH.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR WORK ON THIS.

THIS IS COMPROMISE.

I THINK NUMBER THREE, FOR ME, UH, ON THIS PROCESS TO GET THESE AMENITIES, UH, SOMEWHERE, UH, AND NOW TO SAVE SOME BASEBALL FIELDS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS.

AND THE SECOND FIELD IS IT'S THE SMALLER ONE THAT WOULD THAT BE ACTUALLY USED FOR, FOR THE GAME, DOES THAT, OR ARE THEY LOOKING FOR IT MORE FOR PRACTICE FACILITY? I MEAN, THAT'S, FROM WHAT THEY TOLD ME, THOSE FIELDS WILL MOSTLY BE USED FOR PRACTICE.

AND THEN THE LARGER ONE WILL BE USED FOR SOME GAMES THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER.

I THINK THEY PLAY MOST OF THEIR GAMES THAT ACTION.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

UM, MOST OF THEIR GAMES RIGHT NOW ARE BEING HELD AT ACTION SPORTS.

I KNOW, UM, UH, DURING SOME DISCUSSION THAT BOTH FIELDS ARE REGULATION SIZE.

SO I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

BOTH GAMES ARE BOTH FIELDS ARE REGULATION SIZE.

IT WAS THEIR INTENT TO USE ONE MORE FOR PRACTICE AND DEVELOPMENT.

AND ONE MORE FOR GAMES, TOURNAMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITH THE HOPES OF POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE, NOT ONLY MAKING BOTH OF THOSE GAME FIELDS AND TAKING OVER, UM, POSSIBLY A LONG-TERM LEASE AND OTHER FIELDS THROUGHOUT.

I JUST ENDED THE ONE FOR THE LEFT IS THE, IS THE BIGGER ONE MORE WELL-MAINTAINED ONE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT JUST LOOKS SMALLER, BUT YOUNGER KIDS.

THEY, THEY SAID BOTH OF THEM ARE USABLE TO THEM.

SO, OKAY.

AND, AND, AND TALKING TO THEM AS WELL, THEY'VE AGREED TO THE SAME THING AS SOFTBALL SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BUY THE MATERIALS IF YOU GUYS BUILD THE DUGOUTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID WITH SOFTBALL, UM, COMING UP WITH A PLAN FOR THEM TO, TO GET THE FENCES PAINTED.

SO WE'RE STARTING, YOU KNOW, 100% FRESH AND NEW WITH THOSE FIELDS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD PROJECT FOR THE CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

AND WHAT ELSE I GOT, I MEAN, I GUESS WE, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT, UM, LACK OF OBJECTION TO MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

SO RICHARD, THANK YOU.

UH, MAYOR I'VE GOTTEN NO, NO ISSUE WITH MOVING THIS, UH, THIS COMPROMISE FORWARD.

UM, JOSH HAD JUST HAD A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.

I KNOW YOU SAID THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING, UH, SURVEYING, UM, UH, SOME, SOME FOLKS DOWN, UH, NEAR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, AND POWELL ROAD, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

UM, WHEN DID WE SURVEY THE RESIDENTS FOR THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AROUND MANITA? WE DID NOT.

ANYTHING ELSE? YEP.

AHEAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD AT THIS TIME WITH ALL OF THAT.

UM, I'M FINE WITH THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THE, UH, THE BMX TRACK AND THE

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SKATE PARK.

UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMPROMISE, YEAH.

THERE WAS SOME PROPOSITIONS MADE TO DIAL PARK.

THERE WAS COMPROMISE.

THOSE WERE DOWN QUITE A BIT.

THEN THERE WAS COMPROMISE AND SOME OF THOSE WERE PULLED OUT COMPLETELY.

AND THEN THERE WAS COMPROMISED TO MOVE IT DOWN THE PAL.

AND NOW WE GOT A COMPROMISE.

AGAIN, THIS COMPROMISE IS PRETTY ONE-SIDED IN MY OPINION.

AND, UH, AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M NOT IN FAVOR.

WE, I SAY WE GO WITH THE PLAN THAT WE HAD ALREADY.

WE WAIT UNTIL DISCUSSIONS ARE DONE WITH FOLKS AROUND POWER WITH FOLKS AROUND THE DIAL AREA TO SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO THERE, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

AND IF THESE THINGS FIND THEMSELVES A DIFFERENT HOME, THAT WORKS BETTER.

THAT THAT'D BE FINE TOO, BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD ON IT.

DOES THE PUMP.

SO DOES THE PUMP TRACK NOT MAKE SENSE TO YOU WHERE YOU HAVE OTHER BIKING AMENITIES AND YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL SKATE PARK WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ON, UM, WHEELED, BIKES AND SKATEBOARDS? I MEAN, I JUST, YEAH, THAT, TO ME, THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING WE SHOULD PUT ALL THE SWINGS AND IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE PARK, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

WE NEED TO MOVE THOSE THINGS ABOUT THE CITY SO THAT ALL KIDS HAVE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT THINGS.

THERE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET UP AND GO THE WAY OTHER KIDS DO.

UM, AND SO IF WE HAVE AMENITIES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO SPREAD THEM OUT SO THAT ALL KIDS CAN GET SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES.

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO PACK THEM ALL INTO ONE PLACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE WERE, UH, BELIEVING THESE THINGS TO BE A, A REGIONAL DRAW, A BIG DEAL.

WELL, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IF WE GOT, UH, GAMES AND PRACTICES GOING ON TO BALL FIELDS WITH A SMALL PARKING LOT IN THE BACK, I'VE BEEN THERE, THE TEAMS WILL TAKE UP THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT AND THEN SOME, UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS PARKING LOT HERE.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE EVEN GOING TO GET FOLKS IN THERE.

I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT EVERYBODY IN IF IT'S GOING TO BE THIS BIG REGIONAL INTERACTION? I'M NOT SURE WE COULD.

UM, SO THAT IN ITSELF IS A FORM.

I THINK WE JUST, I, I DON'T THINK THAT PROPERTY HAS, IS SPREAD OUT ENOUGH TO REALLY ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE THINGS COMFORTABLY AND TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF IT.

JUST FINE.

GO AHEAD, RICHARD, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE PARKING LOT, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE THERE.

MAYOR, IF I MAY CAN CONTINUE ON THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE PARKING LOT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE DRIVE, UM, I MEAN, I ALMOST FEARED THAT THAT'S, I'M GOING TO LEAN ON JOSH AND RUSS AND OUR CITY ADMINISTRATION TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT A, UM, A HINDRANCE ON OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, NEXT TO OUR GRACE COMMUNITY AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA AS WELL, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO FLOW OF TRAFFIC, UM, GETTING IN AND GETTING OUT THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S NO DEDICATED TURN LANE THERE TO GO IN OR OUT OF THAT PARK.

UM, AS, AS MR. OTTO ALLUDED TO, YOU'RE PUTTING 1, 2, 3, 4, UM, YOU KNOW, CITY AMENITIES THERE, UH, AS WELL AS A BASEBALL ORGANIZATION THAT HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR, THEY ARE GOING TO USE THOSE FIELDS TO THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY.

UM, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU WANT TO REGIONAL DRAW.

UM, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THE AREA IS THERE FOR IT.

HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO LEAN ON CITY ADMINISTRATION TO, YOU KNOW, FIND A, WE'LL FIND A WAY, UM, ON THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, POWELL ROAD DID HAVE, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THE CAPABILITY OF THE PARKING LOT, THE ACCESS OF THE ROAD, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UM, I'VE STATED BEFORE I'M EAGER TO, TO COMPROMISE, TO SEE AMENITIES MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY IF THAT MEANS, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE NON DESTRUCTION OF BASEBALL FIELDS THAT I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS MY PASSION FOR BASEBALL.

UH, SO IF I HAVE TO, UH, GIVE UP A DESIGN AND AN IDEA FOR MY PARTICULAR WARD FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE ENTIRE CITY AND USE SPORTS AND SO BE IT, UM, BUT I JUST URGE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING AND THE IN AND OUT OF THERE, UM, BECAUSE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS HAVE ABOUT 10 CARS STACKED UP, UM, UH, THERE ON FITCHBURG AND, UH, UH, MR AND MRS. HOMEOWNER THERE ON FITCHBURG IS TRYING TO GET INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY AND CAN'T, OR WE HAVE PEOPLE STARTING TO PARK ON FITCHBURG TO GO TO THOSE AMENITIES.

AND NOW THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, WE WERE NEVER SURVEYED.

WE HAD NO IDEA THESE WERE COMING IN HERE, WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, I JUST SEE SOME OF THAT IN THE FUTURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE ON THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOSH MARTIN, CAN WE COME IN? YES.

UH, SCOTT IN THE CITY, WE REQUIRE SPECIFIC BUSINESSES TO HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PARKING

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SPACES.

IN PLANNING COMMISSION OR COUNCIL, OR SOMEONE HAS ESTABLISHED THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THIS PROBABLY DOESN'T COME WITH THE SAME REQUIREMENTS OR DOES IT, PARKS HAS A REQUIREMENT BASED ON NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD POSSIBLY USE THE, THE PARK ITSELF.

SO THERE IS A CALCULATION IN OUR CODE BASED ON MAXIMUM CAPACITY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, BUT, UH, THE ONE THING TO THINK BACK TO IS THAT THERE USED TO BE A COMMUNITY POOL HERE THAT HAD, UM, AND BASEBALL DIAMONDS, UM, THAT WERE IN USE AT THE SAME TIME AS THAT TIME.

AND IT WAS ABLE TO BE DONE AT THAT TIME.

BUT, UM, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE PARKING LOTS, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT ABOUT, UH, WHAT THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE.

UM, JUST SEE IF THAT'S, UH, HOW THAT WORKS OUT TO, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A FORMULA YOU CAN APPLY.

AND BASED ON THAT FORMULA, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THAT SPACE IS AVAILABLE.

AND WHEN COULD YOU DO THAT FOR US? I WILL WORK ON THAT TOMORROW.

AND CAN YOU REACH BACK OUT TO COUNCIL? I WILL PASS THAT INFORMATION ON.

OKAY, THANKS.

SO IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY? YES.

AND, UH, MAYOR, UM, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.

JOSH, THANK YOU AND STAFF SO MUCH FOR WORKING ON THIS, UH, PARKS AND REC BOARD AS WELL.

I KNOW YOUR WORK IS FAR FROM DONE, BUT, UM, YOU SHOWED AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF PATIENTS AND, UH, DIFFERENT VARIOUS OFFSHOOTS AT THE WILL OF COUNCIL AND WHEREVER OUR INTEREST TAKES US.

AND, UH, THAT, THAT SAYS A LOT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, MAYOR.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE REGARDING, UM, DIAL PARK AND THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

UM, I REALLY RESPECT THE RESIDENTS FOR REACHING OUT AND SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, TAKE A DIFFERENT LOOK AND THEN MOVING, UH, SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES TO DEFINITELY DO POWELL ROAD PARK.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

BUT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DROPPED POWELL ROAD, UM, THAT PARTICULAR PARK.

UM, SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST THIS, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE JUST CAN'T DO BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MARK.

UH, RICHARD SHAW.

I APPRECIATE YOU REPRESENTING WARD ONE AND BEING WILLING TO COMPROMISE HERE TONIGHT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY.

YES, SIR.

BUT JOSH KING, I HOPE THAT, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU WILL TAKE SERIOUS THE POWELL ROAD LOCATION AND TO, UM, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE DETERMINE WHAT COULD GO THERE AND OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY AROUND THAT AREA, BUT IN ALL OF YOU WERE HEIGHTS, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.

AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN WORK DIRECTLY WITH MR. SHAW, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT AREA AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEEK HIS INPUT IN RICHARD.

I WOULD ASK.

AND I KNOW YOU WILL BE VERY INVOLVED IN THAT.

ANYTIME THAT, UH, JOSH OR THE CITY MANAGERS REACHED OUT, UH, WITH ANY, UH, INPUT TYPE IN THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST ASKED THAT IF THAT COMMUNICATION IS DONE, I'M GOING TO BE THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

SO NEXT WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS THE CAUSE HE WRITES SECTION NINE, THE MASON REQUIREMENTS.

SO LET'S SEE THAT MONDAY'S MEETING NEXT IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE CLARK COUNTY JED, UH, UTILITY DISCUSSION.

AND I BELIEVE THAT STANDS FOR IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING OR WATCHING, UH, A JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S IT? EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR.

UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM ON THE LIST, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE HERE ABOUT THE MASONRY FOR THE OAKS.

THIS DISCUSSION ON THE JED IS THAT THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR, THAT'S PROBABLY WE REALLY GO WITH MAYBE A LITTLE LENGTHIER DISCUSSION.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FLIP THEM, UM, SINCE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE, ANY OBJECTION TO, UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE K AND THEN GOING BACK TO ITEM THREE J OKAY.

[ The Oaks of Huber Heights – Section 9 – Masonry Requirements]

PLAN FOR THAT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND THEY'VE STARTED CONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO WE APOLOGIZE WHEN SHE'S TAUGHT KELSEY.

I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY.

UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE HAD A PROJECT THAT HAS COME THROUGH, UM, AS THE OAKS AND HAS HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

UM, THE OIC SECTION NINE, UM, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT

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THEY'VE PUT IN ALL THE, UH, STREETS, UTILITIES, ALL OF THAT.

AND THEY HAVE NOW STARTED BUILDING THE HOUSES, UM, AS THE, THE MODEL HOME HAS GONE UP.

UM, THERE, THEY HAVE, UH, USED THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL OF, UH, THE, UH, FIBER CEMENT BOARD, UM, HEART, MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS HARDY PLANK, UM, AS A 100% COVERAGE OF THAT HOUSE IN THE, UH, THE OAKS, UH, PUD, THERE'S BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT MASONRY REQUIREMENTS THAT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, WHETHER YOU HAVE 25% OF THE HOUSE COVERAGE, 50% OF THE HOUSE COVERAGE, OR 100% OF THE HOUSE COVERAGE.

SO THE, THE, UM, THE REQUEST WAS, UH, TO UTILIZE THE HARDY BOARD AND THE CITY STAFF, UH, DID CLARIFY THAT THE, THE HARDY BOARD IS A MASONRY MATERIAL.

UH, SO THEY WENT FORWARD WITH THAT BUILDING.

UM, AFTER THAT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, THERE WAS, UH, QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT IT DID NOT HAVE BRICK OR STONE ON IT.

UH, SO THAT STARTED A DISCUSSION.

AND THEN THERE WAS A PETITION THAT WAS PROVIDED, UH, REQUESTING THAT THE REMAINDER OF THE OAKS, WHICH THIS IS SECTION NINE, WHICH IS PART OF THE OAKS SUBDIVISION, UM, THAT THEY, UH, COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT'S REQUIRED, BRICK AND STONE.

UH, SO, UM, WE HAD, UH, MR. MCDONALD'S LOOK INTO THE ISSUE ABOUT, UM, ONCE REGULATIONS HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED FOR THE MASONRY REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A STANDARD CITY CODE THAT HAS MESA REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE PUD WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR A SPECIFIC SUBDIVISION THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

SO IF I MAY, I WILL PASS IT ON TO MR. MCDONALD, UM, FOR HIS ANALYSIS BACK TO YOU, SCOTT, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE ORIGINAL, UM, PLANS FOR, UH, THE OAKS BACK IN 2003, UM, CONTEMPLATED THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AS MUCH AS EVEN SECTION NINE, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND IT CALLED FOR, UH, SCOTT SAID VARIOUS THINGS, BUT PART OF IT WAS, OR ALL OF IT SAID 25%, MASONARY A HUNDRED PERCENT, MASONARY IT DIDN'T SAY IT SAYS, IN SOME CASES IT SAYS BRICKSTONE OR MASONARY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT SAID MASONARY.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

THE, UH, PEOPLE FROM THE OAKS THAT CAME LAST TIME WERE UPSET BECAUSE THEY CORRECTLY SAID THIS MASONARY PRODUCT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT WASN'T THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE A CODE PROVISION THAT REQUIRES HOUSES TO HAVE BRICK STONE OR MASONARY PRODUCT APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2007, WHICH DIDN'T AFFECT THE ALREADY EXISTING PLAN FOR THE OAKS, WHICH WAS IN 2003.

SO THE OAKS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION OF VARIOUS DEGREES OF SCOTT SAID OF MASONARY NOT, MASONARY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THEN THE QUESTION IS JUST SIMPLY, IS THIS MASONARY AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING FROM EVERYTHING I CAN FIND, INCLUDING STAFF'S COMMENTS IS THE HARDY PLANK OR HARDY BOARD, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS A MASONARY MATERIAL MADE OUT OF CEMENT AND FIBER AND STOLEN LINE, ALL THOSE OTHER GOOD THINGS.

SO THE REAL ISSUE THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE NEIGHBORS IS ACTUALLY NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T IS NOT RELEVANT, WHAT IS RELEVANT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE MASONARY MATERIAL AND THEY'RE BUILDING.

AND THAT, I BELIEVE IT WAS SECTION 18 OF THE ORDINANCE.

I READ IT CORRECTLY, REQUIRES THAT THE MASONARY BE, UM, UH, ALTERED OR DIVERSE OR SOMETHING.

SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND EVERY HOUSE GOING DOWN THE STREET.

SO IT HAS TO BE DIVERSE.

SO I TAKE THAT AS IF THEY'RE USING THE HARDY PLANK AS THEIR MASONARY MATERIAL FOR HOUSE NUMBER ONE, THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT, CAN'T BE THE EXACT SAME THING.

AND IT HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF DIVERSE THING UNDER THE PUD.

BUT IN THAT SAME LINE, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN USE HARDIE BOARD, I GUESS, GLEN.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DIGGING INTO TECHNICALITIES, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO ASK IS THE MASONRY REQUIREMENT, SCOTT, YOU COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THIS SESSION.

ENGINEER.

IS THE REQUIREMENT

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FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OR IS IT A VISUAL REQUIREMENT? I DO NOT BELIEVE OUR CODE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT STRUCTURAL MASONRY, BECAUSE I HAVE ALWAYS TAKEN THAT TO BE A VISUAL WALL REQUIREMENT.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE USING SOMETHING THAT IS TECHNICALLY MASONRY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SIDING, YOU HAVE KIND OF WALKED AWAY FROM THE WHOLE POINT, I BELIEVE IN MY OPINION.

UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M TAKING IT.

CAUSE I THINK IF IT REQUESTS THAT, OR IT STATES THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR VISUAL PURPOSE, NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE STURDIER AND STRONGER FOR THIS HOUSE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE POINT AT ALL.

I THINK IT WAS A VISUAL POINT.

SO IT'S MY OPINION THAT THIS IS SKIRTING THAT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING A VISUAL, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE STONE LOOK, THE BRICK LOOK OR WHATEVER YOU MAY GET FROM A TYPICAL MASONRY PRODUCT.

YOU'RE GETTING A SIDING LOOK.

UM, SO TH THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT IS I THINK WE'RE KIND OF SKIRTING THE REQUIREMENT AND USING A TECHNICALITY AND SAYING, WELL, TECHNICALLY IT'S MASONRY.

WELL, IT IS, BUT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A MASONRY LOOK, WHICH I THINK IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ORDINANCE, IN MY OPINION.

ANYTHING, UH, YEAH.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT WHEN PEOPLE BUILD THEIR HOUSE WITH BRICK, THEY DO IT FOR, SO IT IS MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND.

IT'S BETTER INSULATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH, IT'S BETTER INSULATED.

IT'S NOT JUST AN AESTHETIC THING.

AND HARDY BOARD IS, IS PRETTY MUCH A NEW PRODUCT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER, AND NOT MAYBE, WELL, I MAY USE EXCLUSIVELY OR AS ABUNDANTLY IS IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND I, I ALMOST WONDER IF WE DON'T NEED TO REVISIT THE DEFINITION OF MASONRY OR MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE WHAT, WHAT THE MASONRY NEEDS IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME MORE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

SO, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT IS NOT TO UPSET OUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW? AND SO THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A RECURRING ISSUE BECAUSE HARDIEPLANK IS CHEAPER THAN BRICK, UH, IS PROBABLY CHEAPER THAN STONE.

AND OF COURSE WE KNOW THERE'S ARTIFICIAL STONE OUT THERE NOW THAT'S BEING USED.

SO MAYBE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT REVISITING THE DEFINITION AND THEN MAYBE THE ORDINANCE ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.

SCOTT IS THE ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PUD.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT CHANGES FROM THE STANDARD CODE BECAUSE IT'S UT AND P OR D THAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO OUR LATEST CODE DESCRIBING MASONRY MARK.

AND WE'LL GET BACK TO JERRY.

SCOTT, WHAT DOES BRICK LOOK LIKE? IT LOOKS LIKE EITHER IT COULD BE MULTIPLE COLORS, BUT DIFFERENT BLOCKS LOOK LIKE BRICK.

THAT LOOKS LIKE BRICK WHAT'S STONE LOOK LIKE.

IT LOOKS LIKE STONE.

DOES HARDY BOARD LOOK LIKE A WOOD SIDING? YES.

AND THAT'S WHERE I AM PROBLEM.

I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE.

I AGREE WITH MR. OTTO.

I THINK THAT THE INTENT BACK THEN WAS THAT WE HAVE BRICK MASONRY, AND IT, MRS. VERGES IS TECHNICALLY INCORRECT.

AND THEN HARDY BOARD'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S PROBABLY CORRECT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN USED AS MUCH AS IT IS MORE RECENT TIMES.

UM, SO IS THAT THE INTENT? I PROBABLY, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK SO.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A PUD THAT SAYS YOU'LL BUILD OUT A MASONARY AND HARDY BOARD.

WE GO TO, THE JUDGE SAYS, SAYS, BASE SCENARIO.

THEY'RE NOT BUILDING IT OUT A MASONARY.

HOW DO WE WIN THAT? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DEFINE IT.

NOW IN 2007, WE SAID, WELL, IT'S GOT TO BE MASONARY MATERIAL APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE WERE NOT JUST GOING TO LET ANYTHING, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE IT.

SO AS WE GO FORWARD ON THINGS, WE MAY HAVE SOME SAY, NOW HERE, YOU'RE THINKING, WELL, WHY DOES IT APPLY HERE? BECAUSE THIS IS AFTER 2007, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THE APPROVAL IN 2003 AT THE INITIAL APPROVAL.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE TECHNICALITIES, BUT THAT'S WHERE I LIVE.

AND TECHNICALLY, IF WE WERE TO SAY, WELL, THOSE STATUTES IN 2007 APPLY, WELL, THEN IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, NO, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ANYBODY.

WHO'S GOT A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL

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PRIOR TO 2007.

THIS DOES NOT APPLY.

SO AS THERE RIGHT IN OUR STATUTE THEN SAYS, BUT THE FRONT HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST 50% MAY SCENARIO.

SO EVEN OUR BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR THE OAKS NINE IS 50% MASONARY MATERIAL IN THE FRONT.

AND THAT WOULD BE IF WE FOUND A JUDGE WHO JUST REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO RULE IN OUR FAVOR.

AND THAT'S OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TELL SOMEBODY, STOP YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

YOU PURCHASE THIS BASED ON PRICE POINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BASED ON A PROVISION HERE THAT WAS PASSED IN 2003 AND HAS BEEN IN EFFECT WITHOUT CHANGE NO, ALL THAT TIME.

AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE SAYING, NO, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT ON YOU.

WE COULD HAVE SOME ISSUES GOING FORWARD.

I AGREE.

CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF MASONARY DON'T EVEN PUT IT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE'LL GO FORWARD FOR OUR FUTURE STRAIGHT ZONING.

AND IT WOULD GO FORWARD IN ANY FUTURE PUD THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE COULD BE VERY AGGRESSIVE.

AND, UM, PERHAPS SAY THIS IS GOING TO APPLY TO ALL PDAS, EVEN THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN PRELIMINARY APPROVED, BUT HAVEN'T GOT FINAL APPROVEMENT.

LIKE THEY DID THE FIRST TIME AROUND THAT'S SKETCHY, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY BOUGHT PROPERTY AND HAS STARTED TO DEVELOPMENT TO PUT A REQUIREMENT ON THEM AS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY DO GOING FORWARD.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE OAK SECTION NINE.

GIVEN WHAT, YES.

UH, JERRY, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAD TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER SECTION OF THE PUD AND IT NEEDED TO LOOK SIMILAR.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? UH, NO.

I, I THINK WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THAT SECTION THAT I MENTIONED IS, IS THAT, UM, THE, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONTINUITY OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THE, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.

I WAS REALLY FOCUSING ON THE, ON THE MASONRY AND MATERIAL STUFF, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE.

AND IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY HERE IN THE ROOM THAT COULD EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE, UM, THIN, UM, STONE IS IN HERE TO A BOARD, UH, IS MAYBE THEY COULD TELL US THAT BECAUSE I WOULD SAY SOME HOME BUILDERS USE, UH, MAYBE SOME TYPE OF ARTIFICIAL STONE THAT IS GLUED OR ADHERED SOMEHOW TO THE FRONT OF A HOUSE.

UM, THIS, UM, TOM CURREN WITH DR.

HORTON, WE'RE THE ONES BUILDING THE HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IT KIND OF ANSWERED WHAT YOUR STATEMENT WAS TOO ABOUT STRUCTURAL.

MOST OF WHAT IS BEING USED THESE DAYS IS NOT NECESSARILY STRUCTURAL.

IT IS, UH, AN ADHESIVE GLUED TO IT.

IT'S USED SO KIND OF A MORTAR APPLICATION, THAT'S KIND OF A SAND MORTAR MIX GLUED TO WHAT MAYBE CEMENT, UH, THERE'S A BOARD AND A MESH THAT GOES ON THERE.

I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON IT.

UM, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A LIP FOR THE FOUNDATION TO EXTEND OUT TO LABOR.

SO THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO BRICK LEDGE BUILT INTO THE FOUNDATION.

THERE COULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE PRODUCT PUT ON MAYBE THE FRONT OF THOSE HOMES THAT COULD LOOK MORE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING HOMES IN THE OAKS.

I DON'T WANT TO USE HERE, BY THE WAY.

THE ORIGINAL IDEA WHEN WE, WE KIND OF MISUNDERSTOOD THE ORIGINAL AND THAT TOTALLY MY BAD NOW I CAN'T BLAME ANYONE EVEN IN MY OFFICE FOR THAT ONE.

UM, I MISUNDERSTOOD IT AND READ IT AS 25% OF THE FRONT, UH, WHEN THE ACTUAL WORDING IS 25% OF THE ENTIRE HOME, WHICH IS JUST UNUSUAL WORDING FOR WHAT I'M USED TO.

I'M USED TO EITHER SEEING THREE SIDES, BRICK, RAP, BRICK, SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE.

UH, BUT WE WERE ORIGINALLY GONNA DO BRICK AND LIKE A BRICK STONE WATER TABLE, AND THEN, UH, AROUND THE GARAGE TO GET TO THE 25% CAUSE WE DO THE SAME THING IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, ALSO HUBER, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT, I DIDN'T REALIZE AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT.

SO WHEN THEY SAID, HEY, YOU'RE NOT REALLY MEETING THE REQUIREMENT WITH THAT 25% SUPPOSED TO BE 25% OF THE WHOLE HOUSE, KNOWING THAT THERE'S SOME NEED IN 25, SOME NEEDING 50, SOME NEEDING A HUNDRED.

I VERIFIED WITH THEM THAT, OKAY, LIKE MR. MACDONALD SAID, I VERIFIED WITH THEM THAT HARDY QUALIFIES AS MASONRY.

AND I THOUGHT, I'LL JUST DO THE WHOLE HOUSE.

I'LL DO A HUNDRED PERCENT ON ALL OF THEM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SIT THERE AND REMEMBER WHICH LOTS GET 25, WHICH GET 50, WHICH GET A HUNDRED, WE ONLY HAVE 27 LOTS IN THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WAS THERE, THERE WAS A DEFINITE INTEREST IN THIS MATERIAL, IN THIS PRODUCT THAT'S USED IN A LOT OF CUSTOM HOMES.

UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, I LOOKED UP AND, UH, 21% OF THE HOMES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE USING FIBER FIBER CEMENT, UH, 25% USING VINYL 27 STUCCO, WHICH I'M SURE IS MOSTLY FLORIDA.

THAT'S ALSO A MASONRY PRODUCT, WHICH

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UM, 20% BRICK AND BRICK VENEER, BRICK VENEER IS MORE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IT'S ADHERED MORE OF A ADHESIVE, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A SIMILAR APPLICATION.

AND THEN WOOD IS 5% AND THEN STONE IS 1%.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF VERY SIMILAR STUCCO SITE VINYL, FIBER, CEMENT, AND BRICK OR BRICK VENEER IS ALL KIND OF IN THAT 20 TO 25% RANGE.

SO DOES THAT ANSWER WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL, WELL, IT DOES, JERRY WILL STOP ME WHEN HE NEEDS TO, BUT IT'D BE REALLY NEAT IF THE BUILDER WOULD PROPOSE SOME COMPROMISE.

AND IF THERE WAS A PRODUCT THAT COULD BE ADHERE TO THE FRONT OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE A THIN BRICK OR A THIN STONE PRODUCT.

AND WE COULD GET THIS BEHIND THE STORY.

UM, YES, I I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, UH, ATTORNEY THAT WAS REPRESENTING YOU GUYS AND HAD MENTIONED THAT TO HIM THAT, UM, THAT IS THE SOLUTION IS TO TALK ABOUT PERHAPS THE BRICK VENEER TYPE OF THING.

YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A MAJOR PRICE POINT, BUT THEY COULD BE POTENTIALLY DONE.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY BECAUSE AS MR. CAMPBELL POINTED OUT, IT'S TRUE THAT, UM, BASED ON HOW YOUR PRODUCT OR YOUR MASONARY PRODUCT, YOU, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY WIN THERE IF THIS WENT THAT FAR.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I UNDERSTAND FULLY NOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT.

AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S THERE.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED ME IF IT'S NOT, I DON'T RECALL IT, BUT SHE, SHE ACTUALLY READ IT.

AND RICHARD, DID YOU MAYBE HELP HER FIND THAT? I SURE DID.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK CONSISTENT MAY BE ENOUGH TO SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD OUT A HARDY BOARD.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY AS, AS, UM, SCOTT, I THINK IT WAS HIS NAME, THE ATTORNEY, ERIC, ERIC, ERIC SCOTT, MAYBE STOLLER, STOLLER.

I HAD AN S IN THERE YOU'RE STARTING WITH RIGHT.

UM, NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE BOTH AGREED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE CAN WORK OUT.

I THINK WHAT, UH, WHAT THE BUILDER WAS AFRAID OF IS NO MORE BUILDINGS STOP EVERYTHING IN YOUR TRACKS.

WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS US SAYING STOP AND BUILD EVERYTHING IN ATTRACTS, AND THEN SUDDENLY WE'RE IN LITIGATION MODE MUCH RATHER WORK OUT SOMETHING, AND I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN GET THERE.

I TEND TO, I I'D RATHER NOT DO THAT.

UM, FOR ME IT WOULD BE, THE CONCERN WOULD BE IS IF WE START TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT APPLICATION OF A, UH, BRICK VENEER OR A MANUFACTURED STONE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE METHOD OF ATTACHING IT, THAT WE WOULD START THEN TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WE DO AT CARRIAGE TRAILS WHERE IT'D BE LIKE THE WATER TABLE AND AROUND THE GARAGE DOOR, WHICH WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF 25%.

BUT IF YOU START SAYING, NOW I HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO DOING HARDY PLANK AROUND THE REST OF IT, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A PRICE THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY THE, THE AREA RIGHT THERE.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING INTO A PRICE POINT.

I MEAN, TO ME, I LOOK AT THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS IN THAT IT'S SOMETHING TRYING TO PROTECT THE VALUES OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS.

AND I DON'T HAVE A HUGE NUMBER OF SALES YET.

WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE BUILDING HOMES AS SPEC HOMES, SELLING THEM ONCE THEY'RE A DRYWALL AND I RELEASED THREE FOR SALE, TWO OF THEM SOLD WITHIN 48 HOURS.

UH, ONE WAS A 1700 SQUARE FOOT RANCH SOLD FOR 3 54 9.

THE OTHER WAS A 2100 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY AND SOLD FOR 3 51 9, UH, THAT'S INLINE OR ABOVE WHAT THE OAKS HOMES ARE SELLING FOR A LOT OF COPS.

THERE'S SOME IN THERE THAT ARE MUCH LARGER, THAT ARE SELLING FOR MORE.

I'VE SAW SOME IN THERE IN THE FOUR HUNDREDS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 3000 OR 3,200 SQUARE FEET.

UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LIVING WITHIN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS.

WE'RE LIVING WITHIN, UH, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

AND I THOUGHT WE WERE LIVING WITHIN THE HARDY CAUSE HARDY EXPENSIVE TOO.

IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING IT ADDED ABOUT $6,000 TO THE COST TO BUILD A RANCH IN ABOUT 12,000 OF THE COSTS TO BUILD A TWO STORY.

AND, YOU KNOW, W W YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS DON'T NECESSARILY SEE A HUGE VALUE IN THE DIFFERENCE.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF JUST REALLY TAKING LESS PROFIT, WHICH NOBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT PROFIT, BUT THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT SCOTT, SO HOUSES IN THE, IN THE OAKS AND EVER EVERY PLACE ELSE THAT EITHER HAS, I MEAN, SOME CUSTOMERS DECIDED THEY WANTED A FULL BRICK WRAP.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE THERE LIKE THAT.

SOME PEOPLE PICKED A FULL BRICK FRONT, BUT THEN THE REST OF THE HOUSE WAS FALLING ASIDE, RIGHT? YES.

SO, SO TO GET TO THE 25%, IT COULD BE THE 25% BRICK VENEER OR STONE VENEER, AND THE REST OF THE HOUSE COULD BE VINYL.

A SPECIFIC FULL FRONT BREAKFAST SOD, OR A FULL BRICK WRAP, THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS VINYL.

SO I DON'T THINK THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IF YOU HAVE 25% BRICKSTONE ON THE FRONT, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND A MASONRY PRODUCT, BECAUSE EVERY HOUSE IN THE OAKS THAT DOESN'T HAVE

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THERE ISN'T ANY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAVE, I THINK IN THE, IN THE WHOLE CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME TYPE OF VINYL SIDING ELEMENT.

NOW, PERSONALLY, I AGREE, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, UH, A HUGE WALL OF A HOUSE THAT'S EXPOSED IS GOING TO LOOK MUCH BETTER.

THAT'S IN HARDIEPLANK THAN IN VINYL, BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH MORE SOLID PRODUCT.

IT DOESN'T EXPAND THE CONTRACT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IT DOESN'T RIP ALL IT DOESN'T WARP IT DOESN'T BUBBLE.

IT DOESN'T WAVE AT YOU WHEN YOU DRIVE BY.

I MEAN, SO I ALL, I UNDERSTAND ALL THE REASONS TO DO HARDY PLANK, BUT NOBODY ELSE, THE OTHER BUILDERS, THERE WAS ANOTHER HOUSE IN THE OAKS THAT WAS WHERE IT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE A 25% STONE ON THE FRONT AND THEN A BRICK AND THEN HAVE FULL MASONRY EVERY PLACE ELSE.

SO I THINK THE, THE CONTINUITY ISSUE THAT I THINK IT WAS MS. SMITH BROUGHT UP WAS THEY WOULD BE HAPPY IF THE FRONT, IF IT JUST, IF IT LOOKED THE SAME, IF, IF THAT DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR SECTION LOOKED SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SOME BRICK, SOME STONE, AND THEN EVEN VINYL EVERYWHERE ELSE, NOT THE EXTRA EXPENSE OF, UM, UH, OF THE HARDY PLANK.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S KINDA WHAT SHOCKED EVERYBODY WAS, HOW THAT HOUSE LOOKS.

THAT'S JUST NOTHING, BUT THE HARDIEPLANK IS AT A DISTANCE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A HUNDRED PERCENT VINYL SIDING WHEN IT'S NEW.

AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT GOES AGAINST THE INTENT OF WHAT THE REAL LEGISLATION WAS TO HAVE.

I MEAN, SINCE WE'VE BEEN AROUND, WE'VE BEEN KNOWN AS THE AMERICA'S LARGEST BRICK HOME COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THESE ORDINANCES AND LEGISLATION ABOUT MASONRY PRODUCTS WAS, WAS EVEN TALKED ABOUT WAS BECAUSE WE ARE A BRICK HOME COMMUNITY.

UH, BUT AS WE'VE BUILT AND EXPANDED NORTH, YOU KNOW, FULL BRICK HOME NOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE HAS A HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING BRICK ON A HOUSE 50 YEARS AGO, THAT'S ONLY 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.

SO, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S STILL THE, THE CONTINUITY OF TRYING TO MATCH W WHEN WE'RE BUILDING OTHER SECTIONS AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE RESIDENTS WERE, WERE AFRAID OF IS THAT THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THEIR HOUSE.

EVEN IF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE, YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HARDY PLANK OR FINE, YOU JUST, YOU JUST DON'T, UNLESS YOU'RE IN THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND YOU CAN LOOK AND, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I EVEN KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH BETTER LOOKING HOUSE, BUT IT STILL MIGHT LOOK LIKE VINYL 20 YEARS FROM NOW LOOK LIKE NEW VINYL.

MY, MY STATEMENT ABOUT, UM, NOT WANTING TO DO ADDITIONAL WAS THERE'S HOUSES IN THERE THAT HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, BRICK, STONE, OR MASONRY.

SO NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO START GOING IN THERE AND PUTTING BRICK OR STONE.

AND IT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WITH THE, THE, UH, IT'S AFFECTIONATELY REFERRED TO AS LINCOLN STICK.

UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD WHEN YOU DO A WHOLE FRONT OF A HOUSE.

IT GETS A LITTLE OFF FROM A STRUCTURAL.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S A GOOD, UM, DETAIL, BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD HOPE.

IT'S SOMETHING TO TRY TO DRAW A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, THE EYE AWAY FROM SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU USUALLY USE A COLOR SCHEME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A DARKER SIDING, YOU'RE USING A LIGHTER STONE INVITES, YOU KNOW, VICE VERSA.

UM, SO IT'S USED MORE OF AN ACCENT.

OF THE TIME SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE HAD MOVED RIGHT THROUGH AND BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE OLD SECTION, THE ORIGINAL SECTION, MAYBE 2013, I THINK I'M NOT POSITIVE.

UM, SO WHAT MY CONCERN WAS IS STARTING TO SAY LIKE, OKAY, IF I AGREED TO DO SOME KIND OF WATER TABLE BRICK OR WHAT THEY CALL IT, WATER TABLE IS UP TO LIKE THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT WINDOW.

UH, AND THEN MAYBE AROUND THE GARAGE, BUT LEFT THE HARDY.

NOW I'M COVERED ON MY A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND IT GIVES THAT APPEAL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THERE'S A VARIATION, EVEN THOUGH OUR COLORS ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE A VARIATION, YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO DO.

IT'S NOT THE OLD DAYS OF ALUMINUM OR VINYL SIDING WHERE YOU GOT BEIGE OFF BEIGE AND LIGHT BEIGE, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT SOME REAL DARK, DARK BLUES, YOU KNOW, SOME PRETTY NICE COLORS THAT GO INTO THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME VARIATION IN THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT, BUT YOU ALSO GOT TO LOOK AT THIS.

ALSO, THIS COMMUNITY IS SPANNING OVER TWO DECADES NOW, AND THE BRICK FULL BRICK FRONT, THAT INVERNESS HOMES BUILT BACK IN THOSE DAYS IN THAT COMMUNITY.

IT, IT REALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE A NEGATIVE, BUT IT DATES THE COMMUNITY THAT IN THAT TIMEFRAME, THAT WAS THE MOST COMMON I BUILT.

I BUILT FOR REILAND HOMES.

WE USED TO BUILD UP IN PHEASANT RIDGE AND WE HAD RICK FRONTS AND YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH COMMUNITIES NOW, AND YOU CAN USUALLY TELL BY LOOKING AT THEM ABOUT WHEN THEY WERE BUILT.

AND THAT IS KIND OF A SIGN OF THAT EARLY TWO THOUSANDS BEFORE THE DOWNTURN TYPE LOOK.

AND, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU START SEEING IN THIS KIND OF, IT'S THE INDICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, 21% OF THE HOMES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE MAJORITY IS A HARDY MATERIAL.

UM, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A CHANGING

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SO ALMOST ANOTHER DECADE WENT BY BETWEEN THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, THE STYLES CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, TO SIT THERE AND SAY, I GOT TO GO BACK AND BUILD IT THE WAY IT WAS BUILT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.

UM, IT'S NOT, NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY IS KEEPING UP WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING.

AND WE DO.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THESE, LIKE I SAID, THREE HOUSES GOT LISTED.

TWO OF THEM ARE SOLD WITHIN 48 HOURS.

UM, SO THERE IS A DEMAND OUT THERE FOR IT.

IT MIGHT NOT BE EVERYONE'S TASTE.

UM, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT IT.

IT DOES.

BUT THOSE HOUSES DON'T HAVE THE HARDIEPLANK ON A MAT THAT, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU FINISHED IS THE MODEL.

I GUESS THAT'S THE MODEL.

THE FIRST ONE IS MODEL.

SO THE OTHER ONE OTHER ONES IT'S ORDERED FOR ALL THE OTHER ONES, 24 OF THE 27 LOTS WERE PERMITTED TO HAVE THIS MATERIAL.

SO GOING FORWARD, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT YOU CAN ALTER THOSE PLANS TO DO A MIXTURE OF THE LINCOLN STICK? WHETHER IT'S THE, UH, THE STONE OR, OR THE BRICK, OR JUST TO MAKE IT CONFORM MORE WITH THE LOOK OF THE YOLKS? EMILY, IF I MAY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MRS. BEARISH? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT? YEAH.

JUST, JUST THE FRONT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW YEAH.

LIKE A RAP, LIKE THEY USED TO, LIKE SOME OF THE HOMES HAVE IN THE, IN THE OAKS, JUST TO GIVE MORE OF THE, OF THE LOOK.

SO THE, FOR EXAMPLE, I GAVE YOU, HE WAS INDICATING THAT IF THEY BUILT ALL THEIR HOUSES WITH HARDY BOARD, THEN THEY'RE ALL ARGUABLY 100% MASONARY MATERIAL.

AND SO THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL THE HOUSES AND THEY'D HAVE TO BE MAY STEERING MATERIAL, A HUNDRED.

THEY MADE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE 50%.

THEY MADE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE 25%.

SO THEY CONTINUE WITH THAT.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IN ADDITION, CAN YOU ADD SOME LINCOLN STICKER OR SOMETHING TO THE FRONT TO MAKE THAT DIVERSITY? IS THAT WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT OR, OR INSTEAD OF THE HARDY BOARD AND THE QUARTER, THE TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT TO USE THE, THE, UH, THE LINCOLN STICK TO REPLACE IT.

SO THAT YOU'RE OFFSETTING THAT COST OF THE HARDY BOARD AND MAKING IT MORE LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD PAY FOR THE SIDING, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING YOU TO CONTINUE USING THE HARDY BOARD.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A WHOLE FRONT, I MEAN, CAUSE TO GET THE 25%, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING IT AROUND THE WHOLE HOUSE, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HOLD, DO THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AS A BRICK OR STONE.

SO NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO GET INTO WHAT I DON'T THINK THE APPLICATION OF THAT LICKING STICK IS REALLY MADE FOR.

IT'S NOT REALLY MADE TO BE THE WHOLE FRONT OF A HOUSE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE BUILD IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, IT'S A 25% REQUIREMENT.

UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S WATER TABLE PLUS AROUND THE GARAGE AND THAT COVERS IT AND IT, AND IT LOOKS NICE, BUT THE REST OF THAT IS, IS VINYL.

BUT TO GET THE 25 ON THE WHOLE HOUSE, NOW I'VE GOT TO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE I HAVE TO PUT IT AT THAT POINT.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DO I DO WATER TABLE ALL AROUND THE WHOLE HOUSE? UH, DO I DO A BIG STRIPE UP? I MEAN, IT, IT STARTS, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IF YOU, IF YOU BUILT THE HOUSE OUT OF HARDY BOARD, LIKE YOU SAID ORIGINALLY, YOU'RE, DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE 25% BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE HARDY BIRD HOUSE.

YOU MEET THAT.

THE HARDY ON ALL THE HOUSE, THE FRONT OF IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF BRICKSTONE ELEMENT ACCENT THAT BREAKS THAT UP.

I UNDERSTANDING RIGHT.

WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT ON THE FRONT OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE ALL HARDY BOARD EVERYWHERE ELSE, YOU JUST MAKE THE FRIEND ABOUT THAT 25% OF THE HOUSE, BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, MAYBE TO THE WATER TABLE, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO MATCH WHAT THE CURRENT OAKS LOOKS.

I WOULD BE MORE AGREEABLE TO THAT IF WE SAY, YOU KNOW, I, CAUSE AT THIS POINT I'VE ORDERED THE MATERIAL FOR MOST OF THESE I'D HAVE RESTOCK CHARGE.

I HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

NOT THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I, AND I, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD ADD A NICE ELEMENT.

I THINK THE REASON WHY I DIDN'T DO THAT ORIGINALLY WAS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MEET SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS, 25 FIFTIES AND HUNDREDS ON THIS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH ROAD IT WAS BACKING UP TO AND WHICH LOT IT WAS.

AND LIKE I SAID, WITH ONLY 27, IT'S EASIER JUST TO BE CONSISTENT AND DO THE SAME THING AS FAR AS THE MATERIALS, INSTEAD OF WAIT A MINUTE, IS THIS THE HOUSE THAT GETS SOME STONE? IS THIS, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, BUT I'D BE OKAY WITH DOING SOMETHING MORE ALONG THE WATER TABLE.

AND THEN, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MIX AND MATCH HARDY AND VINYL THOUGH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD LOOK WHAT WAS JUST THAT.

SO I THINK THE COMPROMISE HERE IS IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE

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BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE IS, AND AGAIN, I THINK, AND I HAVE IT AS WELL IS DRUGS ARE LOOKING AT A HOUSE THAT HAS WRAPPED 100% AND HARDIEPLANK, AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE THAT'S JUST GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT VINYL SIDING ON IT.

THAT'S JUST A DIFFERENT COLOR BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

AND THE RESIDENTS AREN'T GOING TO KNOW THAT UNLESS THEY WALK UP THERE, KNOCK ON THE FEELING IT AND REALIZE, OH, THAT'S NOT VIOLENT, BUT THERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK UP TO A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO KNOW THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT A VINYL SIDED HOUSE.

AND THAT GOES AGAINST THE CONTINUITY OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THREE SIDES BEING HARDY BOARD AND 75% OF THE FRONT BEING HARDY BOARD, BUT THERE'S WITH SOME ACCENTS THAT BREAKS THAT UP.

SO THE VISUAL APPEAL AND THE AESTHETICS AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU SEE IT HAS SOME RESEMBLANCE TO WHAT ELSE IS THERE NOT A TWO-STORY HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1955? THAT'S JUST GOT VINYL SIDED ALL OVER IT.

I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO NOT HAVE HAPPEN.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, I THINK THERE'S A COMPROMISE THERE.

WE JUST GOTTA, WE JUST GOTTA FIND IT.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THAT IN MIND.

I, I, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER RESIDENTS FEEL AND I FRANKLY I DO LEAN PRETTY HEAVILY ON WHAT JERRY STARTED OFF THIS CONVERSATION WITH IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE PUD TEXT.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A ZONING ORDINANCE.

THAT'S OUT THERE.

THERE WAS A 2007.

I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING PRIOR TO THAT TOO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT GOVERNS THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT GOVERN IT'S GOVERNED BY THE PUD.

AND THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE BEFORE THAT.

IT'S WHAT I READ, WHAT I MADE THE DECISION TO BUY LOTS.

AND WHEN I MADE THE DECISION OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO BUILD IN THERE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, IT IS, UH, WE DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF IN THE RIGHT.

SO ANYTHING WE'RE DOING IS ALREADY KIND OF A CONCESSION.

I DON'T REALLY PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO PAY ME MORE FOR ME TO SPEND AN EXTRA TWO OR $3,000 PUTTING LICKING STICK ON THAT.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET MORE FOR THE HOUSE, UH, BY DOING THAT.

IT'S REALLY SOMETHING AS A CONCESSION, I THINK, TO MAKE EVERYONE FEEL LIKE WE'RE MORE A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S, THAT'D BE FINE WITH ME.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO YEAH.

ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, IS THERE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN WORK WITH SCOTT.

VAL, COWSKIN COME UP WITH AN IDEA.

WOULD YOU, UH, PROFILE DR.

HORTON FOR US? HOW LARGE ARE YOU OR DO YOU BUILD JUST AN OHIO? NO.

DR.

HORTON'S THE LARGEST HOME BUILDER IN THE UNITED STATES BUILT ABOUT 80,000 HOUSES THIS YEAR.

UH, THE NUMBER TWO BUILDER IS LINDAR BUILDS, MAYBE 60,000, UM, FORTUNE 500 COMPANY.

UH, THIS DIVISION WAS STARTED AS A CINCINNATI DAYTON COMBO.

I WAS HIRED ORIGINALLY TO OPEN IT FROM SCRATCH, LITERALLY STARTED IN AN APARTMENT, MY APARTMENT, MY APARTMENT AT THE TIME.

UM, WELL PROBABLY CLOSE ABOUT JUST SHORT OF 200 HOUSES THIS YEAR ABOUT PROBABLY 75 OF THEM IN DAYTON AND THE OTHER 125 IN THE GREATER CINCINNATI AREA.

UH, SO YEAH, DR.

HORTON'S A VERY LARGE COMPANY.

UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER ON THE FORTUNE 500 REDDIT PRETTY FAR UP NOW.

UH, SO YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED COMPANY AND WE STAND BEHIND OUR PRODUCT.

WE WARRANT OUR PRODUCT AND WE BUILT A GOOD HOUSE.

WELL, HOPEFULLY YOU AND SCOTT CAN GET TOGETHER THIS WEEK AND WORK THIS OUT.

THAT'D BE FINE WITH ME.

WHAT DID YOU, HOW MUCH HARDY BOARD ARE YOU USING AND CARRIAGE TRAILS OR IS THAT ALL VINYL IT'S VINYL? BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THERE.

IT WAS JUST THE 25%.

SO THERE WAS NEVER THIS QUESTION OF, WELL, SOMETIMES I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO MORE AND SOMETIMES IT'S SO IN THERE IT'S JUST THE 25 AND THAT I BELIEVE IS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OTHER, UH, I KNOW RYAN HOMES JUST BUILT SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DID ANYTHING DIFFERENT WITH THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS.

I KNOW THERE WERE SMALLER LOTS, BUT FISHER HOMES I THINK ARE BUILDING.

WAS THERE ANYTHING IN OREGON SHOREVIEW? I MEAN, PART OF THAT COMMISSION GOING ON THAT DEALT WITH ANY OF THIS TYPE OF STUFF, OR HAVE WE NOT GOT THERE YET SO FAR, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THROUGH THAT PART OF THE CODE NOW.

THEY BOUGHT THE LIMBERNESS LOTS IN THERE.

THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT.

NO, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I APPRECIATE YOU SWITCHING THE AGENDA.

THANKS FOR WORKING WITH US.

AND IT GETS RICHER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, THIS MAY COME AS A SHOCKER AND A BOMBSHELL TO SOME, BUT, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO OPENLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BERGE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A QUICK, FAST AND HARD LOOK INTO OUR MASONARY DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND IF THAT MEANS TIGHTENING UP THE 2007, 2006, 2011, UM, DOCUMENTATION THAT'S ON THE BOOKS.

I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

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SO I'M SURE WE'LL COME UP WITH COUNSELING ON AUTO, ON MY CELL PHONE REVIEW COMMISSION.

SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD PLACE TO, CERTAINLY TO START.

UM, I KNOW WITH MR. WEBB'S EXPERIENCE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, BEING ON THERE WHEN THAT COMES TIME TO REVIEW THAT, CERTAINLY I THINK WE GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD OR TIGHTEN THOSE, THOSE ORDINANCES UP AND MAYOR, IF I MAY CONTINUE, UM, UH, SCOTT, I, I W I DID ATTEND THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

UM, IS IT, UM, IS IT YOUR INTENT, UH, TO START IDENTIFYING THAT, UM, AND EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE, UM, UNTIL COUNCIL IS ABLE TO FULLY REVIEW THAT AND MAKE ANY AND ALL CHANGES? JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT SHE JUST MENTIONED AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR, UH, THE, UH, HEATHER MERE WOODS, THE PROJECT AT BELL FOUNTAIN AND KITTRIDGE.

AND, UH, I RECOMMENDED AND PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, APPROVED A MODIFICATION OF THAT DECISION RECORD TO SAY THAT THE MASONRY REQUIREMENTS WAS, UH, PARTS OF THOSE HOUSES THAT, UH, THAT SHALL BE BRICK OR STONE.

UM, SO, UH, YES, THAT, THAT WAS A, UM, A INTENTIONAL, UM, AND, AND THE THOUGHT WAS AS WELL THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT OUR STANDARD CODE TO TIGHTEN THAT UP.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATED THAT.

UM, I THINK PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, PICKED UP ON THAT, UH, VERY CLEARLY.

I THINK THAT, THAT CALLS IT OUT.

I MEAN, IT'S VERY BLACK AND WHITE, UH, THAT WAY WE DON'T MAKE JURY NERVOUS ON ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF LITIGATION ISSUES MOVING FORWARD.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT WILL DEFINITELY GIVE SOME CLARITY UNTIL IS A FURTHER REVIEW.

MA'AM ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

SO WE'LL GO BACK NOW TO ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS THE CLARK COUNTY JED UTILITY DISCUSSION.

OKAY,

[ Clark County JEDD/Utility Discussion]

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, DISTRICT.

SO YES.

THANK YOU, MR. MARK LOOKER.

NO.

UM, SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THE DR.

D R HORTON FOLKS, UH, LETTING THE ANTICIPATION FOR THIS PRESENTATION BUILD.

SO, UM, WOULD YOU HAVE A POWERPOINT? WE'RE ALL KIND OF GOING HERE WE GO.

SO AS THE, UH, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, UM, TONIGHT WE NEED TO TALK WITH COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, TWO PARTICULAR, UH, ITEMS, UH, WITH OUR PARTNERS IN CLARK COUNTY.

UH, ONE IS THE JED, THE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND OUR UTILITY AGREEMENT.

THEY PROVIDE A UTILITY SERVICE, UH, FOR OUR LARGELY CORPORATE RESIDENTS, UM, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY.

AND OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UH, MYSELF, MR. , UH, MR. MACDONALD AND, UH, MR. BERGMAN HAD BEEN WORKING ON, UH, THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS, AND WE NEED TO BRING THEM DOWN TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BECAUSE, UH, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE A DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE AND MADE SOON.

AND SO WE WANT TO BRIEF YOU ON THIS, UH, BRINGING UP TO SPEED WHERE WE ARE, UM, AND, UH, AND HELP PROVIDE YOU THE NECESSARY INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE.

SO, UH, MR. PODCASTS, YOU JUST HANDED OUT A HARD COPY OF THE PRESENTATION, OR THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MAPS IN THE PRESENCE THAT ARE GOING TO BE KEY REFERENCE MATERIAL FOR, UH, FOR YOU, AND BECAUSE OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND COVER IN SHORT ORDER, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAD THIS INFORMATION TO TAKE HOME WITH YOU, UH, SO THAT, UH, YOU COULD REVIEW AND THINK ABOUT IT EVERY WAKING MOMENT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME WE GET BACK TOGETHER.

UM, SO WE CAN, UH, SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES FORWARD.

SO TO THAT, UM, IF THIS WILL WORK, HERE WE GO.

JUST BRIEFLY TO REVIEW THESE, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY, I READ THEM AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND HAVE THEM MEMORIZED, BUT FOR THE FOLKS AT HOME WHO DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE, UH, WHAT THESE AGREEMENTS ENTAILS.

UM, SO START WITH THIS MAP.

THIS MAP IS IT'S REALLY THE BASIS FOR KIND OF ALL OF THE POINTS GOING FORWARD.

UM, THIS MAP REPRESENTS OUR CURRENT CONDITION, UM, OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CLARK COUNTY.

SO, UM, FIRST LET'S TALK ABOUT THE UTILITIES ON THE LEFT OF THE TWO SHADED AREAS.

ONE OF THEM KIND OF A PURPLISH COLOR THAT'S FROM 1988, AND THAT WAS TO SUPPORT THE, UH, THE START OF THE PARK.

UH, AND THEN THE TWO TEACH AREAS ARE FROM A 1995 AMENDMENT TO SUPPORT, UM, EXISTING BUSINESS.

UH, THE GREEN LINES REPRESENT SEWER, UH, THE BLUE LINES, WHICH YOU CANNOT SEE ON THE SLIDE BUTTER ON YOUR MAP, REPRESENT WATER WATERMELON, UM, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, THE MAP TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF 2 35 THERE, UM, YOU SEE A RED TARGET THAT RED TARGET REPRESENTS THE OLD DOMINION SITE AND THE LARGE RED KIND OF, UH, POLYGON THERE IS THE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE JED.

SO, UH, THAT IS ON THE CLARK COUNTY SIDE OF THE LINE.

SO, UM,

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SO THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, AGAIN, AS I NOTED EARLIER, RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF CENTERPOINT 70, UH, IT'S THE BEST OPTION AT THE TIME.

UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES OVER THERE AND WE NEEDED SERVICE AND CLARK COUNTY'S UTILITY SYSTEM IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY.

SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES AT THE TIME WE OWN THE PIPES AND THE PARTS.

SO ON BOTH THE UTILITY SYSTEMS, WE OWN ALL THE MATERIAL IN THE GROUND.

THE COUNTY SIMPLY PROVIDES THE SERVICE.

SO THEY PUMP THE WATER INTO OUR PIPES AND THEY ACCEPT THE WASTEWATER THAT WE DISCHARGED THROUGH OUR PIPES.

SO THAT IS AN ESSENCE THAT YOU, UTILITY AGREEMENT, THE JETTA AGREEMENT WAS CREATED IN 2008 ONE AND SUPPORTIVE OF A PROJECT THAT NEVER OCCURRED.

PART OF THE AGREEMENT ALLOWS THE PROPERTY TO STAY IN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWNSHIP, AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO LET THE INCOME TAX OVER IT.

AND THEN WE SPLIT THAT INCOME TAX.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JED DOES, WHICH IS WHY IT APPEALS TO TOWNSHIPS AND COUNTIES IS THAT IT PROHIBITS ANNEXATION.

SO WE CAN NOT BRING THAT PARCEL INTO, UM, INTO THE CITY, UH, WHILE IT'S PART OF THE JED.

AND THIS PARTICULAR JET IS ABOUT READY TO EXPIRE SHORT ORDER.

SO, UM, WITH, UH, BOTH OF THESE AGREEMENTS, UH, THE UTILITY AND THE JET AGREEMENT, THEY WERE DESIGNED AROUND SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

BUT ONE PROJECT THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED WHEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS CAME ABOUT WAS THE OLD DOMINION PROJECT.

AND THIS IS KEY OLD DOMINION REPRESENTS A $5 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND HAS $3.9 MILLION PAYROLL AND OLD DOMINION HAS OPENLY TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR FUTURE USES AT THIS SITE.

SO THIS LOCATION IS GOING TO GROW.

SO THE CLIFFS NOTES VERSION OF WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

SO IN OCTOBER OF 2019, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THE FIRST MAP THAT WE GAVE YOU, THAT WE JUST REVIEWED OLD DOMINION SUBMITTED PLANS TO BUILD THEIR FACILITY ON THE RED POLYGON, IN THE JED AGREEMENT, IN THE JED AREA.

SO ON THE CLARK COUNTY SIDE OF THE LINE, LATER ON IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, THEY CAME BACK AND THEY HAD DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD IN THE HUBER SIDE.

AND THE REASON THAT THEY MADE THAT DECISION WAS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET BACK TO THEIR LOCATION.

SO IF THEY BUILT IT CLOSER TO THE MAIN ROAD, IT WAS A CHEAPER STARTUP COSTS.

SO AS THEY GOT THEIR APPROVALS, THEY SUBMIT IT TO CLARK COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR PERMITS.

AT WHICH POINT IN TIME, CLARK COUNTY DENIED THEIR REQUEST TO CONNECT TO WATER AND SEWER AND REQUESTED THAT WE ATTEND A MEETING WHERE, UH, MR. AND I READ VISED THAT, UM, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE UTILITY AGREEMENT DID NOT APPLY TO THIS SITE AND THAT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, OR RELATIVE TO THIS, UH, SITUATION, BOTH THE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND A UTILITY AGREEMENT ARE RELATED.

AND IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE UTILITY SERVICE AT THE, UM, AT THE OLD DOMINION SITE THAT CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE MADE TO THE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, DISTRICT.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.

UM, BUT NONETHELESS, UH, WE SAT DOWN AND BEGAN TALKING WITH THE COUNTY TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THEY WERE AFTER, WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANTED IN THE INTEREST OF OLD DOMINION.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

UH, WE'VE CONTINUED, UH, NEGOTIATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH CLARK COUNTY TO GET A RESOLUTION, UM, UP UNTIL THIS MORNING, ACTUALLY.

SO WE CONTINUED TO WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

AND NOW WHERE WE ARE IS JANUARY 20, 22 IS WHEN OLD DOMINION ANTICIPATES OPENING THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, THEIR ISSUE IS YOU CAN'T OPEN IF YOU CAN'T HAVE UTILITIES, SO WE NEED TO FIND A RESOLUTION.

SO, UH, AS OF TODAY, THE SHORT-TERM RESOLUTION, UH, THAT WE HAVE IS OLD DOMINION WAS ABLE TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IN A POTABLE WELL AT THIS LOCATION UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT LONG-TERM, UH, POTABLE WATER MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

UH, THEY'VE ALSO, UH, DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FIRE SUPPRESSION FROM THEIR RETENTION POND.

SO THIS IS WHERE THEY'LL STORE WATER FULL TIME.

UM, IS THERE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN? UM, AND IN THE EVENT, THEY HAVE A FIRE ON SITE ELECTRIC PUMP THE WATER FROM THE POND INTO THE BUILDING.

UH, THEY DID ATTEMPT, UH, TO TRY AND, AND ACQUIRE A SEPTIC PERMIT, BUT THEY WERE DENIED THAT PERMIT DUE TO DISTURB SOIL AND POOR SOIL CONDITIONS.

AND SO THAT LEAVES US WITH EFFECTIVELY THREE OPTIONS TO TRY AND RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.

ONE IS TO LITIGATE.

THE MATTER THE SECOND OPTION IS TO ENTER INTO NEW AGREEMENTS.

AND THE THIRD OPTION IS TO PROVIDE NEW SERVICES.

SO OPTION ONE IS TO LITIGATE, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

AND IN PUBLIC, WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE MOST FAVORABLE POSITION, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S A GUARANTEE.

I MEAN, NOTHING EVER IS WHEN YOU GO INTO A COURTROOM, SECOND OF ALL, WE

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THINK, UH, THIS POSES FUTURE NO PROBLEMS FOR US, BECAUSE THERE ARE GAPS IN THE SERVICE AREA AND THERE ARE DEVELOPABLE PARCELS.

SO EVEN IF WE WENT TO COURT AND WE WON, OBVIOUSLY OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR PARTNERS IS GOING TO DETERIORATE.

SO WHEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY AND RESOLVE UTILITY ISSUES WITH FUTURE DEVELOPERS LITIGATION, EVEN IF WE WIN IS NOT GOING TO BE FAVORABLE, AND THAT IS GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS FOR US IN THE FUTURE, AS WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MOMENTUM.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IS THAT OLD DOMINION REQUESTED THAT WE NOT TO DO IT.

SO WE DID SEEK THEIR OPINION.

AND WE DID PROVIDE THEM WITH SOME INFORMATION AS THIS BEING A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION.

THEIR POSITION WAS THIS, THERE ARE NOT, WE EXPAND INTO HUBER FROM CLARK COUNTY OR, OR WHETHER OR NOT WE EXPANDED INTO CLARK COUNTY FROM HUBER HEIGHTS.

WE PLANNED TO EXPAND, AND WE WANT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH BOTH PARTIES.

SO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS MATTER TO COURT AND HAVE IT LITIGATED ON OUR BEHALF.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, DO IT, BUT THAT WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU NOT.

SO BASED ON THAT, WE QUICKLY SIDESTEP THAT.

AND WE LOOKED AT A SECOND OPTION, WHICH ARE THE NEW AGREEMENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE NOW.

SO THESE NEGOTIATIONS HAVE YIELDED SOME PROGRESS.

SO THIS HASN'T BEEN OKAY.

UH, WASTE.

WE'VE BEEN MAKING, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN MAKING HEADWAY, UH, THE CURRENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE.

AS OF THIS MORNING, WE'LL MEET THE NEEDS OF OLD DOMINION.

AND WE WILL GAIN SOME GROUND OUT OF THIS DEAL TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES ARE UNKNOWN, BUT CHALLENGING.

AND WE'LL COVER THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A COMPARISON.

SO THE BIG MAP WE JUST SHOWED YOU, THIS IS WHAT THE NEW MAP WAS LOOK LIKE.

AND I'LL KIND OF REVIEWED THIS IN DETAIL OVER THE NEXT, NEXT FEW SLIDES, BUT NOW THE ORANGE AREA ON THE LEFT IS THE SERVICE AREA FOR THE CITY.

UH, THE CLARK COUNTY WOULD AGREE TO SERVE.

AND THE RED AREA ON THE RIGHT NOW REPRESENTS WHAT WE'LL CALL FOR THE, FOR THIS PURPOSE, THE, UH, 20, 21 JET AGREEMENT.

SO WE'RE APPROACHING CAPACITY.

SO, UM, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE VISUALLY.

SO THE DETAILS, UM, IN A NUTSHELL, UM, IS THE FILING ON THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

UH, IT ADDS ALL THE AREA NORTH OF 70 AT ADS, ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTIES, SOUTH OF AND IT INCREASES CAPACITY.

SO THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH SERVICE THE COUNTY WILL GIVE US RIGHT NOW, IT'S CAPPED AT 75,000, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 50,000.

AGAIN, WE'RE APPROACHING CAPACITY LIMITS.

SO THE DEAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE WILL GET US TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO 100,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GET OUT OF THE DEAL.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WIN.

UH, AND THAT'S, WHAT'S GOOD.

NOW WHAT'S BAD.

SO WHILE WE'RE GAINING MORE CAPACITY, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE'S A PROBABILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GAIN CAPACITY.

WE'RE GOING TO COME UP AGAINST THESE CAPACITY ISSUES AGAIN.

SO TOMORROW PROBABLY NOT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE ANYBODY'S GUESS, UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF 70 WILL REQUIRE SANITARY UPGRADES.

EVEN IF WE TAKE THIS DEAL, EVEN IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT COUNCIL CONSIDERS AND MOVES FORWARD WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF 70 WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL UTILITY UPGRADES ON THE SEWER SIZE.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, IN A MINUTE, I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

UM, SO, UM, THE SERVICES, SO WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT SINCE WE'RE HERE.

SO THE SERVICE LINE, EVERYTHING FEEDS GRAVITY DOWN, UH, TO NEW CARLISLE AS IT APPROACHES, UH, ROUTE FOUR.

AND WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THAT END, THAT ALL GRAVITY FEEDS AND THEN GETS PUT INTO A LIFT STATION, AND THEN IT IS PUMPED BACK NORTH INTO THE CLARK COUNTY SYSTEM FOR GRAVITY FLOW THROUGH, IS IT A TWO INCH MAIN RUSS? SO ABOUT, YEAH, SO 50,000 GALLONS IS GETTING FORCED PUMPED THROUGH THAT.

SO AS WE GROW CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM DEMAND IN THE SYSTEM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THAT PIPE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO INCUR COST AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE TO DIG ALL THAT UP AND PUT A NEW PIPE SO WE CAN SEND IT BACK TO CLARK COUNTY, UM, WHERE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO RUN IT PAST.

THE BAD THING IS, IS THAT THE CURRENT DEAL ON THE TABLE ALSO CONTAINS AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN THE SURCHARGE.

SO RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OUR CUSTOMERS ARE NOT CLARK COUNTY, UH, CORPORATE CITIZENS, THEY PAY AN ADDITIONAL 10% SURCHARGE ON THE CLARK COUNTY FEE UNDER THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT.

THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE.

THAT FEE GOES NOT FROM 10%, BUT TO A 20% SURCHARGE.

SO THAT IS, UH, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT, UH, AT LEAST ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.

NOW WE'VE ASKED THEM TO REEVALUATE THAT.

SO, UM, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD THIS MORNING.

AND SO THE REASON WE'VE ASKED THEM TO REEVALUATE THAT WAS BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE JETTA AGREEMENT.

SO THE GOOD SIDE OF THE JUDD AGREEMENT, IT GETS THINGS DONE.

THE CITY HAS NO MORE SERVICE OBLIGATIONS IN THE JET RIGHT NOW, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE POLICE, FIRE, PLANNING,

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ZONING, THE WHOLE THING.

UNDER THE NEW AGREEMENT, WE HAVE ZERO RESPONSIBILITY, UM, UNDER THE NEW AGREEMENT, THE COUNTY ASSUMES THE JET ADMINISTRATION ROLE.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO ADMINISTER THE JET.

THAT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE JUDD'S NEVER CONVENED.

IT'S NEVER HAD A MEETING, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

SO THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN IT DOES, WE HAVE ZERO OBLIGATION, UM, AND IT SECURES THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

SO THAT'S ON THE GOOD SIDE.

ON THE BAD SIDE, IT REDUCES THE CITY'S INCOME TAX SHARE FROM 87% TO 33%.

SO RIGHT NOW, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, IF SOMETHING DEVELOPED IN THE JAG BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF 2025, WE'RE ENTITLED BETWEEN BASED ON TIMEFRAMES IN THE AGREEMENT, 75 TO 83, 80 TO 87% OF THE INCOME TAX AND THE COUNTY GETS THE REST.

OH, EPA IS WILLING TO GRANT A TEMPORARY HOLDING TANK FOR A OLD DOMINION SO THAT THEY CAN CONNECT TO THIS SYSTEM.

UM, IT OBLIGATES THE CITY TO PAY 33% OF MAJOR ROAD WORK IN THE JED.

AND THAT'S NOT A CONDITIONER REQUIREMENT.

AND THIS IS ASTERIX BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHY IN THE VERY NEXT SLIDE.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT EFFECTIVELY LIMITS ANNEXATION FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, THE COUNTY HAS PROPOSED A 50 YEAR INITIAL TERM AND AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL UNLESS WE OBJECT FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS, UH, I ENJOY WORKING HERE AND I APPRECIATE THE PRIVILEGE TO STAND HERE BEFORE YOU, BUT I DO NOT INTEND TO BE HERE IN 50 YEARS TO REMIND THE COUNCIL, THEN, HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU NEED TO OBJECT TO THAT.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I SAY IT EFFECTIVELY LIMITS ANNEXATION FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN THE JED, YOU CAN'T BE ANNEXED.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT WALL OF RED ON OUR EASTERN BORDER.

NOW, HERE'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROAD REQUIREMENT.

WHEN I APOLOGIZE, I HAD TO USE CLARK COUNTY'S GIS.

SO THIS DOESN'T QUITE HAVE ALL OF THE FEATURES, BUT THE, UH, OLD DOMINION SITE IN HUBER IS THE RED DOT AND THEN KIND OF THAT BLACK OUTLINED AREA.

THAT IS THE JET.

NOW, THE REASON THAT I POINT THIS OUT IS THAT THE GREEN AREAS ARE FARMLANDS THAT ARE BEING FARMED BY SOMEONE ELSE, AND THEY ARE OWNED AND FAMILY TRUST.

AND THE BLUE IS ALL FARMLAND.

THAT'S BEING FARMED BY SOMEONE ELSE, BUT AS OWNED BY A SHELL COMPANY TO ONE OF THE MCMAHON BROTHERS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE MCMAHON'S, THIS BROTHER IN PARTICULAR, I BELIEVE IS THE TRAILER PARK ONE, BUT, UH, THE LANDS WERE PURCHASED, UH, FOR SPECULATION.

THIS IS OVER 500 ACRES OF LAND.

IT IS POSSIBLE THAT UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, THE CITY COULD HAVE TO PAY 33% MAYBE OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT DEFINITIVELY OF ALL RESURFACING OF ALL RECONSTRUCTION AND OTHER MAJOR ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH THE ROADS, THAT'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN 500 ACRES.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE CONTINUE TO REGULARLY FIELD CALLS FOR, UH, LOGISTICS, WAREHOUSING AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL UP UNTIL LATE LAST WEEK.

SO SINCE DECEMBER OF 2020, THIS IS THE FIFTH DIFFERENT INQUIRY WE'VE HAD TO LOCATE IN THIS AREA.

AND AT 33% OF TAX BEING OUR SHARE ON TOP OF THE REQUIREMENT, INITIAL ANALYSIS DICTATES OR INDICATES THAT WE WOULDN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER OUR SHARE OF THOSE EXPENSES.

IF THIS ACREAGE DEVELOPED THE WAY THAT IT DOES THAT IT COULD LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

ALSO, I WOULD CALL TO MIND THE TROUBLES THAT VANDALIA IS HAVING WITH THE CITY OF DATE BEING DAHLIA HAS ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AS THE SEMIS ROLL OFF 75 DOWN 40 WEST TO GET TO ALL OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, BUT THEY RECEIVED NONE OF THE BENEFIT.

THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THIS SITE IS ON OUR ROADS.

SO THAT'S 500, 500 ACRES POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING LOGISTICS WITH SEMI TRAFFIC ON OUR ROAD AT 33%.

SO THAT'S WHY I POINT OUT WITH THE ASTERIX ON THE SLIDE.

THAT'S A CONCERN FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.

NOW THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS WE CAN PROVIDE NEW SERVICES INTO THAT AREA.

SO THIS HAS SOME ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES TO IT AS WELL.

IT JUST PROVIDES A, IN OUR OPINION, IT PROVIDES A MORE PERMANENT UTILITY SOLUTION.

UM, FOR ALL OF EAST HUBER, THIS ALLOWS THE ABILITY TO EXTEND, EXPAND, EXCUSE ME, ITS OWN WATER UTILITY.

AND IT ALLOWS US TO PARTNER WITH A LIKE-MINDED ORGANIZATION WITH WHOM WE ARE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH.

AND THAT IS THE CITY OF FAIRBORN.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IT'S A NEAR TERM SOLUTION WITH A BRIDGE, A SOLUTION OR A STOP GAP MEASURE IN THE SHORT TERM.

SO, UM, THIS'LL TAKE THIS OPTION WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR TO DESIGN AND BUILD AND IN THE INTERIM OH, EPA, IF THIS IS THE OPTION THAT COUNCIL SELECTS,

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SHOULD THIS BE THE OPTION THAT COUNCIL WERE TO BUILD OR TO CHOOSE? SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, SO ON THE MAP, THE REMOTE WILL WORK.

HERE WE GO.

WE STILL HAVE A PARTNER, SO WE CANNOT BE SOLELY IN CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY WHEN IT COMES TO UTILITY SERVICE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY.

UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, IT DOESN'T LOOK REAL GOOD HERE ON THIS SCREEN, BUT YOU HAVE THIS BIG MAP IN YOUR PACKET.

SO, UM, THE ENGINEER HAS ADVOCATED THAT, UH, WE EXTEND THE WATER MAIN FOUNTAIN AND CONNECTED, UM, AND CONNECT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE EXISTING, UH, WATER UTILITY, UM, AND AROUND CENTER POINT 70 AND THE ENGINEERS SUGGESTING THAT WE EXTEND THE SEWER MAIN SOUTH DOWN A NEW CARLISLE PIKE RUNNING PARALLEL TO FOUR, AND THEN PUNCH IN, UM, AT, UH, THE FAIRBORN PLANT, JUST SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG.

UM, SO, UH, THE BENEFIT TO THIS, UM, UH, TO THIS, UH, SOLUTION OR TO THIS POTENTIAL OUTCOME IS, UH, THE LIGHT BLUE AREA.

SO THAT IS ALL THE AREA THAT NOW HAS THE ABILITY TO BE SERVED WITH SANITARY SEWER SERVICE.

AND IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO BE SERVED WITH WATER OR FOR THE WATER SYSTEM TO BE LOOPED.

AND THAT WILL ALL HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THIS, THIS OPTION, IF THIS IS THE ONE THAT COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER, BUT IT IS THE START OF THAT SOLUTION.

SO, UM, WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S BAD.

SO IT SUPPORTS FUTURE GROWTH.

LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IT GETS US OUT FROM UNDER THE JET.

SO WE ARE NOT THAT OBLIGATED TO CONTINUE THE NEGOTIATIONS.

WHEN THE JET EXPIRES IN 2025, WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO MEET ANY OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS BEYOND THAT.

AND OUR ABILITY FROM SAS PERSPECTIVE, TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO PROJECTS IN, AND AROUND THAT AREA, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE SPECIFIC TO WHAT THOSE PROJECTS MIGHT BRING TO THE TABLE.

SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, IT'S INDIVIDUAL, NOT PART OF THIS GENERIC AGREEMENT, UH, IT ALSO REDUCES OUR FUTURE, UM, CAPITAL INVESTMENT COSTS.

UH, IT GOES, I THINK ALWAYS IS PROBABLY, UH, TOO DEFINITIVE, BUT VERY RARELY IS IT EVER CHEAPER TO BUILD TOMORROW WHAT YOU CAN BUILD TODAY? AND SO, BASED ON WHAT I THINK HAS BEEN A REOCCURRING CONVERSATION BY COUNCIL OVER THE YEARS, WHAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE HEARING AT THE STAFF LEVEL ABOUT INTEREST IN THE EAST SIDE OF IT? I HAVE A FEVER.

SO SUBJECT OF EARLIER CONVERSATION TONIGHT IN THE MEETING, UM, WE CAN BUILD THIS INFRASTRUCTURE TODAY AND IT WILL BE CHEAPER THAN WHEN WE HAVE TO BUILD IT IN THE FUTURE.

UM, IT'S ALSO A COST NEUTRAL OR A COST REDUCTION OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CORPORATE PARTNERS.

AND INITIAL RATE ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT EVEN A FAIRBORN PROVIDES A, A RATE INCREASE, UH, A SURCHARGE BECAUSE OUR CUSTOMERS WOULD NOT BE, UM, MUNICIPAL, UH, TAXPAYERS OF FAIRBORN.

UH, THE INITIAL ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT EVEN WITH THAT SURCHARGE, UH, THOSE RESIDENT OR THOSE CORPORATE RESIDENTS IN, UH, IN HUBER WILL NOT PAY ANY MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW, MOST OF THEM WILL PAY LESS, BUT OF COURSE, THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR ACTUAL SEWER DISCHARGE IS, BUT MAKING SOME GENERAL ASSUMPTIONS WITH THE DATA WE DO HAVE, UH, IT APPEARS TO BE COST NEUTRAL OR AN ACTUAL REVENUE OR A COST REDUCTION FOR THEM.

UH, WE GAIN A LIKE-MINDED PARTNER.

UM, SO AGAIN, UM, FAIRBORN IS A CITY.

IT'S A MUNICIPAL INCORPORATED JURISDICTION IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

UH, IT IS NOT OUT TO PROTECT ITS PROPERTY FROM US BECAUSE WE CAN NOT TAKE ITS PROPERTY AND THEY CANNOT TAKE OUR PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP IN CLARK COUNTY.

UM, ALSO WE HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS WHEN IT LOOKS TO EXPANSION OR TO DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE GOT A NICE, I WON'T CALL IT NICE, BUT THERE'S A VERY DEFINED BARRIER BETWEEN, UH, BOTH OF OUR IN ROUTE FOUR AND 2 35.

UM, YOU KNOW, TARGET AREAS OF FAIRBORN FOR GROWTH HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, BUT THEY ARE NOT IN THIS AREA.

SO EVEN IF WE GROW, WE'RE NOT IN COMPETITION, UH, THE, UM, SIZE PIPE THAT WE WOULD PUT IN COULD ACCOMMODATE GROWTH IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND FAIRBORN HAS SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY.

UH, THEY WERE CONCERNED WHEN WE MET WITH THEM AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD TAKE.

THEY WERE CONCERNED.

THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO TAKE BETWEEN WHAT, UH, 1 MILLION ON DEMAND AND HIGH DEMAND.

AND 2 MILLION AVERAGE DAILY I THINK IS WHAT THEY HAD LEFT.

UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM ABOUT 50 SOME 55,000 GALLONS A DAY.

SO WE'VE GOT IT.

WE'VE GOT SOME CAPACITY, WE'VE GOT, SOME CREDIT HAS TO DO TO GROW INTO THEIR FACILITY IF NECESSARY.

UM, WHAT IS BAD IS, UH, THIS IS AN UNPLANNED CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO DO.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM, IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PLANNED TO DO.

UM, AND

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UM, AND THAT IS A DRAWBACK.

UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT COST LOOKS LIKE BASED ON INITIAL NUMBERS FROM THE ENGINEER.

TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS A 6.4 MILLION.

UM, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT LUCKY FOR US.

UH, WE'VE GOT $4 MILLION COMING OUR WAY.

THAT'S BURNING A HOLE IN OUR POCKET, UH, AS PART OF OUR, AND SO UTILITIES ARE A CLEAR REASON OR ARE CLEAR FOCUS OF THAT MONEY AND CAN BE SPENT FOR THAT PURPOSE.

AND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND IF COUNCIL WERE TO PURSUE THIS OPTION, UH, THAT ARPA BE DESIGNATED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

UH, THE SHORT GAPS WOULD BE 1.1 MILLION ON THE WATER SIDE, AND 1.3 MILLION ON THE SEWER SIDE.

UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY THOSE EXPENSES IN CASH.

SO I'M BEING MINDFUL OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF COUNSEL'S DESIRES TO GROW AND EXPAND SOME OF THE SERVICES, FACILITIES, AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THESE ARE EXPENSES THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BOND, OR IF WE CHOOSE TO GO OUT AND BORROW MONEY, WE CAN BORROW IN THE SHORT TERM USING BOND ANTICIPATORY NOTES IN PARTICULAR ON THE WATER SIDE, UM, AND KIND OF PAY THOSE DOWN OVER TWO OR THREE YEAR PERIODS SINCE INTEREST RATES ARE SO LOW.

AND THEN THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE ALL THE MONEY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, UM, AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK, UH, IT'S A FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME GO BACK, UH, TO THIS MAT.

UM, AND I WANT TO POINT OUT HOW, UM, THIS MAP AND THE COST ESTIMATE WE JUST PROVIDED YOU RELATE THE OTHER WAY TO PROVIDE, UH, UH, SEWER SERVICE TO THIS AREA OF THE CITY, TO THE EASTERN AREA OF THE CITY IS TO RUN A TRUNK LINE EXTENSION DOWN CHAMBERSBURG ROAD TO 4, 2, 3 B FIVE, AND THEN CONNECTING TO FAIRBORN AT THAT LOCATION.

THAT PROJECT COSTS ROUGHLY $2 MILLION OF THAT 2 MILLION, 1 MILLION IS SHARED WITH PROPOSAL.

WE JUST GAVE YOU.

WHAT CHALLENGES THE WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PREPARE FOR AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO, SO THAT'S THE ELEMENT OF IT, BOTH POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT THEY SHARE.

SO, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEND ABOUT $1 MILLION EITHER WAY IN COMMON ON THESE PROJECTS.

SO, UM, MY, HERE WE GO AND I LOADED THE MAPS AT THE END, IN CASE YOU ALL HAD QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT, UH, WHAT'S NEXT? SO, UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT, UM, WE'RE ABOUT OUT OF TIME.

UH, SO IN ORDER FOR OLD DOMINION, TO BE ABLE TO OPEN ON TIME, BUT EITHER A NEED TO MAKE AN APPLICATION TO THE OHIO EPA TO GET PERMISSION TO UTILIZE THE TANK.

AND PART OF THAT APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE CITY THAT SAYS, YES, WE AGREE TO BUILD THIS SYSTEM.

AND YES, WE AGREE TO MAINTENANCE THEIR SERVICE TANK UNTIL THE SYSTEM IS BUILT.

AND IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTHS FOR THAT APPLICATION TO BE REVIEWED, EVALUATED AND APPROVED BASED ON THE EPA PROCESS.

NOW, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH EPA, BOTH FROM THE CITY, AS WELL AS WHAT THEY RECEIVED FROM A OLD DOMINION'S ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVES, UM, THEY ARE FAVORABLE TO THIS OPTION IF IT IS, UH, IF IT IS THE ONE THAT COUNCIL CHOOSES, THEY DO BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THEM, THAT'S BEEN SHARED WITH THEM BY A OLD DOMINION, BUT AS LONG AS THE I'S ARE DOTTED AND T'S ARE CROSSED, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THE PERMIT WOULD BE DENIED AND THEY HAVE TO RUN THE FULL OFFICIAL PROCESS.

SO NOTHING IS GUARANTEED, BUT BASED ON THE BRIEFINGS WE GAVE AN OLD DOMINION'S ENGINEER GAVE, THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED BACK.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF WE DON'T, UH, GO THE ROUTE OF THE THIRD, THERE ARE SOME TIMING IN, THERE ARE SOME TIMING ISSUES THAT NEED TO OCCUR WITH RESPECT TO AMENDING THE EXISTING AGREEMENTS, BOTH THE JED AND THE UTILITY, HOW THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND WHAT ORDER THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED.

UM, WHILE THE L UH, CITY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN, UM, VERY HELPFUL IN PROVIDING SOME INSIGHT AND GUIDANCE ON SOME OF THESE MATTERS, THE FINAL DOCUMENTS ARE NOT YET AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO NEGOTIATE.

AND SO TO HAVE HAD THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW VERSION AFTER VERSION AFTER VERSION, UM, AS WE'RE TRYING TO TWEAK THROUGH THESE THINGS, UM, HE HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

SO HE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT.

THEY'LL NEED TO BE SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE CLARK COUNTY PROSECUTOR AND THOSE FOLKS TO GET THAT ALL WORKED OUT.

AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME TIME FOR THAT TO HAPPEN SO THAT, UH, OLD DOMINION CAN ENGINEER THAT SOLUTION.

SO, UH, THERE ARE NOT SOLE BENEFITS TO ONE OPTION OVER THE OTHER.

THERE ARE NOT SOLE DETRIMENTS TO ONE OPTION OVER THE OTHER.

UM, THEY BOTH RESOLVE THE ISSUE AT HAND, UM, AND THEY BOTH PRESENT CHALLENGES TO THE CITY LONG-TERM AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH,

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SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, MR. MAYOR, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS MATTER, UM, OR TO, UH, TO GO BACK AND GRAB ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THE COUNCIL MIGHT NEED TO FURTHER CONSIDER THIS, THIS ISSUE.

SO, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS, BRIAN.

I THINK THAT WAS VERY CLEAR.

I MEAN, I THINK I, SO THE MAPS, EVERYTHING HELPED ME REALLY UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST, WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

UM, I'LL JUST, I WANT TO KIND OF DEFER TO MARK HERE REAL QUICK, AND I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, UM, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND I THINK I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT EXPANDING OR HAVING THE ABILITY TO MOVE AND EXPAND OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE WAS ONE OF THE, IN THE PAST WAS ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT ALLOWED US TO EVENTUALLY KIND OF BECOME WHAT WE ALL ARE.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK W KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT EXPANDING OUR UTILITY SERVICE WAS TO OUR PAST SUCCESSES KIND OF, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS NOW, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT INFORMATION, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE PRETTY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS.

I JUST THINK ABOUT THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OUR WATER SERVICE.

WOULD THIS KIND OF PUT US IN THE SAME SITUATION IN TERMS OF JUST, WHAT ARE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT FUTURE GROWTH IS, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE DID BEFORE AND HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS, DO YOU KIND OF, DO YOU SEE SOME CORRELATIONS IN THIS, TO WHAT WE EXPECT, WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO? SO WHEN JIM PIERCE WAS THE CITY MANAGER AND OHIO SUBURBAN WOULD NOT EXTEND THEIR BOUNDARIES AND GO TO THE PUC, ALL WE WERE LEFT WITH IN 1992 WAS TO DECIDE TO TAKE OVER THE WATER UTILITY.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE CONDEMNED IT AND TOOK IT OVER.

HAD YOU NOT DONE THAT ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF 70 WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED.

YOU LITERALLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE RESOURCES THAT YOU CURRENTLY DO NOW THE WHOLE TIME I'VE SAID HERE IN, IN, LISTEN TO BRIAN, WHAT THIS IS, IS THE JOBS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THE ONE CALCULATION BRIAN, THAT YOU DIDN'T BRING UP IS ALL OF THIS LAND THAT WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING IS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES IS CORRECT.

AND LATER YOU'LL, YOU'LL BRING, UM, MAYBE A MODEL OF WHAT WE WOULD HOPE TO GAIN THROUGH THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF AS THESE PROJECTS UNFOLD.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THE INVESTMENT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE WATER AND THE SEWER IS ABOUT $6 MILLION OR SO YOU COULD EASILY OBTAIN THAT IF YOU HAD INFRASTRUCTURE SIMILAR TO THE TALLER BUILDINGS, UM, THAT YOU'LL FIND IN DAYTON THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK ARE IN VANDALIA AND, AND THE DROPS WOULD BE TREMENDOUS.

SO YOU SAY YOU GET A LOT OF HITS AND A LOT OF CONTACTING YOU ON THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES.

WE'VE HAD, UM, WE'VE HAD INQUIRIES NOW IN LEGITIMATE INQUIRIES.

UM, SO, UM, LOGISTICS FIRMS, THREE DIFFERENT LOGISTICS FIRMS. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, THREE OF THE LOGISTICS FIRMS THAT ARE HERE ARE TOP 10, TOP 15 TAXPAYER INCOME TAX PAYERS.

UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, AN INQUIRY REGARDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A WAREHOUSING AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARK.

SO MULTIPLE ACRE ACQUISITION IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HUNDREDS OF ACRES HAS BEEN AN INQUIRY.

UM, AND, AND THAT OPENS THAT TYPE OF BAKERY JUMP, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE LACK TODAY.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER THOSE COMPANIES, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BUILDING OUT AT THE AIRPORT.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

VAST AMOUNTS OF LAND, CORRECT.

THAT OPENS THAT UP.

INCREASES THE LOOKS THAT WE WILL SEE, THIS WILL INCREASE THE LENGTH OF LOOKS WE SEE, AND IT WILL INCREASE THE ODDS THAT ONE OF THOSE LOOKS WOULD RESULT.

AND THAT HAS BEEN A HURDLE TO US, UM, IN THE PAST FOR PONT RESPONDING TO SITE SELECTION, REQUESTS, OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION FOR SITE SELECTION, UH, THAT THE DAYTON DEVELOPMENT COALITION OR JOBS, OHIO, OR RELEASE, WE DON'T OWN, OR WE DON'T POSSESS ACCESS TO THE KINDS OF ACREAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THIS DEAL WOULD NOT EMPOWER US TO THAT ACREAGE.

BUT WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD SERVE AS AN ATTRACTANT TO DEVELOPERS AND PROSPECTORS WHO MIGHT WANT TO ACQUIRE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU CAN DESIGN AND BUILD A STRUCTURE IN NINE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON HOW BASIC IT IS, BUT YOU CAN'T DESIGN AND BUILD A WATER MAIN OR A SEWER MAIN AND HAVE IT SERVICEABLE IN NINE MONTHS.

I MEAN, IF WE FAST TRACK EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOT, I MEAN, THAT'S 12 MONTHS, UM, IS, IS WHERE WE'RE THINKING IF WE GO THE UTILITY ROUTE.

SO, UM, IS THE SEWER ROUTE.

SO, UH, TO YOUR POINT, MR. CAMPBELL, YES.

THIS, IN STAFF'S OPINION, THIS

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THEY PROJECT YOUR LAND INVENTORY WILL BE SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE NOW YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ATTRACT PARTNERS THAT YOU COULDN'T ATTRACT TODAY.

UH, THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO BRING UP THE TIFF, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO LOAN OURSELF, THE MONEY, WE NEED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND BRING IN TALENT LIKE CHRIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE TIF REVENUE STARTS TO COME IN, WE CAN REPLENISH OUR FUNDS.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

YES, SIR.

AND, UH, JUST, JUST DO THIS GLOBALLY THE RIGHT WAY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, I, YEAH.

I MEAN, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON FROM I'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE AND HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS.

I MEAN, IT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE BOUGHT THE UTILITY COMPANY, SO WE COULD EXPAND THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'VE DONE IT ONCE AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AGAIN.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THOSE CORRELATIONS.

AND YOU WERE THE ONE THAT WAS AROUND THAT.

SO TWO THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE LAND ASSEMBLED TO MARKET THROUGH LIGHTNING COALITION.

AND WITH THAT, IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY, YOU CAN GARNER THE INCOME TAX, WHICH IS HUGE.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE POINTED OUT.

AND THEN THE TIF AND THAT THE TIF COULD HELP REPLENISH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST TOOK JUST THE PORTION THAT WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY, WHICH THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, YOU COULD, YOU COULD GET ALL YOUR MONEY BACK.

YOU COULD BUILD A MODEL THAT WITHIN FIVE TO 10 YEARS, YOU'D HAVE ALL YOUR MONEY BACK AND HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCE COMING IN.

THANKS FOR NANCY.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, IF WHAT KIND OF A NEW AGREEMENT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE WITH GREEN COUNTY? UH, DID THE DEAL WITH CLARK COUNTY REGARDING NO, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH AN AGREEMENT WITH GREEN COUNTY TO USE THEIR, THEIR FACILITY OVER THERE FOR, SO, YEAH, SO WE HAVE MET WITH, UM, FAIRBORN IS THE ONE WHO OWNS THE PLANT.

AND SO WE HAVE MET WITH FAIRBORN AND FAIRBORN.

HIS COMMUNICATION TO US WAS THAT YES, THEY WILL ALLOW US TO CONNECT TO THE PLANT.

THEIR ONLY ISSUE IS THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE A, UM, AN ORDINANCE ADJUSTMENT, UM, AND WE WOULD NEED TO NEGOTIATE, UH, A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

UM, AND, UH, OKAY.

AND HOW WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD THAT WORK SINCE WE'RE STILL UNDER THE JET AGREEMENT FOR THREE MORE, FOUR MORE YEARS, THE JED, UM, IS ACTUALLY SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

AND SO THERE IS NO, FROM OUR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT AND SO THAT OUR ABILITY TO, AND IT'S OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IT WOULD SIMPLY BE DESIGNING TO THE APPROPRIATE STANDARD TO MEET FAIRBAIRNS NEEDS SO THAT WE CAN TIE INTO THE PLANT.

AND THEN ONCE WE DO THAT AND WE'RE ABLE TO COORDINATE SCHEDULES AND CALENDARS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO CLARK COUNTY AND COORDINATE HOW TO DISCONNECT OR HOW TO END THERE.

AND WHERE WOULD WE RUN OUR LINES? WE WOULD RUN THEM OVER FOUR OR UNDER FOUR.

YES MA'AM.

AND SO DO WE NEED ODAT APPROVAL? UH, I'D HAVE TO DO I BELIEVE SO, BUT I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. BERGER.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FOR BORING UNDERNEATH THE ROAD THROUGHOUT FOR, UH, I DON'T FORESEE ANY REAL BIG ISSUES WITH IT.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT EPA TAKING MAYBE FOUR MONTHS.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG WE HAD TO PUT IN THERE FOR ODOD.

AND THEN, AND THEN YOUR YEAR STARTS AFTER THAT, ARE YOU FACTORING THAT IN? SO BASED ON OUR, BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES, WE WOULD EXPECT IF THIS WAS THE OPTION.

IF THE UTILITY EXPANSION WAS THE OPTION THAT COUNCIL CHOSE, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TYING INTO, UH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TYING INTO FAIRBORN SYSTEM AROUND NOVEMBER.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY AND OBTAIN A SEPTIC PERMIT.

AND MY LAST QUESTION IS WE'RE THIS, UH, SERVICE TANK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR AN NEW DOMINION? WHAT IF WE GOT ANOTHER COMPANY AND EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO A, ANOTHER ONE, OR COULD THEY TIE INTO THAT ONE? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THAT WOULD BE.

SO IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, OLD DOMINION'S TANK WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AND APPROVED FOR OLD DOMINION.

SO IF ANOTHER COMPANY WERE TO COME IN, WHO WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR SERVICE, UM, OR HAD QUESTIONABLE SERVICE QUALIFICATIONS, BASED ON CLARK COUNTY'S INTERPRETATION OF THE AGREEMENT AS A TECHNICAL PROVISION, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EITHER A CONNECT WITH THEIR OWN TEMPORARY TANK UNTIL OUR STRUCTURE WAS BUILT OR B

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AND THE ONLY REASON IN THIS INSTANCE, CLARK OR CLARK, UH, THAT OLD DOMINION WAS NOT, WAS THEY HAD ACTUALLY SCRAPED THE SITE.

BY THE TIME WE WERE MADE AWARE THAT THIS OPTION WAS AVAILABLE TO THEM.

AND ONCE THEY HAD SCRAPED THE SITE AND DISTURBED THE SOIL, UH, IT WAS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD BE GIVEN THE PERMIT AND THAT THAT'S WHY WE RAN INTO THIS SITUATION, BUT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, FOR INSTANCE, UM, IF SOMEONE CAME AND REQUESTED SERVICE AT THAT LOCATION, THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A PERMIT FOR A SEPTIC SYSTEM, OR THEY COULD BASICALLY DESIGNED TO CONNECT TO THE UTILITY ONCE IT'S BUILT.

AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A HOLDING TANK AS WELL.

SO, OH, DOMINION'S COMPLETION SCHEDULE FOR THEIR FACILITIES.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS? SO OLD DOMINION SAID BASED ON THE, MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH THEIR ENGINEER WAS, UH, WE TOLD THEM LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE IT WAS, WE SAID LAST WEEK, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE IN TO START TALKING WITH YOU AND THAT, UH, WE WERE HOPEFUL TO HAVE A DECISION MID SEPTEMBER AND HER RESPONSE WAS THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE WITH FOUR MONTHS ON THE PERMIT PROCESS, WE ONLY HAVE 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS BEFORE WE'RE READY TO OPEN.

SO BASED ON WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, UM, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLOSE TO OPENING AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN JANUARY TO MOVING IN THEIR OPERATIONS AT THAT LOCATION IN JANUARY.

SO THEY'LL HAVE THEIR SERVICE TANK THERE THAT TIME.

YES MA'AM.

DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT ANY, UM, I MEAN, WELL, HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T TAKE A LONG, LONG TIME IF WE GET THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT GOING INTO THE CAPACITY OF THAT FAIRBORN PLANT, DID WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT COST SHARING IN TERMS OF UPGRADES? LIKE WHAT WOULD OUR RESPONSIBILITY BE AT THAT PLANT? IF ONCE WE START GETTING TO A POINT WHERE IF WE EVER PUSHED CAPACITY WHATSOEVER POSSIBILITY THERE.

SO WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS YET.

UM, FROM, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF TWO MUNICIPALITIES PARTNERING TOGETHER, I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT A LIKELY OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE PROPORTIONATE.

SO IF THE PLANT CURRENTLY TAKES 10 MILLION GALLONS AND THEY'RE PUSHING IN NINE AND WE'RE PUSHING IN A ONE AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE PLANT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO OWN 10% OF THAT COST.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO OWN 90% OF THAT COST, SOME KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT, RATIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FORMULA THAT WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND AND WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATE TO OUR RESIDENTS INTO OUR UTILITY USERS SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE BEING CHARGED.

BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT IF THIS IS A ROUTE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GO, IT IS THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WILL BE MOVING TO.

AFTER WE, WE STOPPED TALKING WITH, UH, WITH CLARK COUNTY, THAT'S RICHARD, YOU REMEMBER BRIAN, AND IF I, I MISSED ALL THIS, CAUSE YOU THREW QUITE A BIT AT ME.

UM, AND, UH, AND MAKING SURE I COMPLETELY FOLLOW ALONG THIS ALL STARTED.

AND I GUESS IN SOME FORMER PHASE OR WHATNOT WITH THE DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION FROM CLARK COUNTY AND MY KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE THERE A LITTLE BIT, UH, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

TO TRY AND ADDRESS, UH, HOW THE ROADS WITHIN THE JED AND HOW THE ROADS WITH EACH HUBER HEIGHTS TO ACCESS THE JED AREA COULD BE DEALT WITH.

SO THE, WHEN THE, THE, WHEN CLARK COUNTY DENIED THE APPLICATION FOR OLD DOMINION TO CONNECT TO THEIR UTILITY SYSTEM, THAT'S WHEN WE, WE STARTED STARTED DISCUSSION AND THERE IS, ARE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH CLARK COUNTY, A HUNDRED PERCENT CLOSED ON THEM.

RE-EVALUATING THAT? SO, UH, AGAIN, UM, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS, I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING WITH THE CLARK COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THEIR UTILITIES DIRECTOR, UH, TRYING TO SEEK CLARIFICATION ON POTENTIAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD OR WOULD NOT, WOULD BE WILLING TO EFFECTIVELY HORSE TRADE, UM, IN THESE AGREEMENTS, UH, WHERE THEY ARE FOR CHICKY, LITERALLY FOCUSED, UM, IS THEY ARE FOCUSED IN A THIRD, A THIRD, A THIRD SPLIT ON THE INCOME TAX.

THAT HAS BEEN A POINT THAT THEY HAVE REFUSED TO COME OFF OF THROUGH THE ENTIRE NEGOTIATION PROCESS.

UM, THEY, UM, HAVE, UH, REFUSED TO COME OFF OF THE HUNDRED YEAR TERM.

UM, SO IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO HAVE CONTINUALLY EVERY TIME THAT WE COMMUNICATE OUT TO THEM, WHAT WE THINK OUR COMPROMISES ARE, WHAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE WAYS TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY BEING, THEY DON'T WANT US TO, TO ANNEX PROPERTY.

WE CONTINUED TO GET PUSHED BACK WITH, TO THIS A HUNDRED YEAR TERM.

UM, AND THE OTHER THAT, UH, CONTINUES TO BE ONE THAT THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO MOVE ON IS THIS ISSUE OF THE ROADS.

AND SO WE HAVE PROPOSED SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES

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AND THEY HAVE REFUSED TO INCORPORATE THOSE IN ANY VERSION OF THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAVE SENT BACK TO US.

UM, AND, AND KIND OF TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMAN BURGESS, A QUESTION ON THE TANK AND THE TIMELINE, UM, IF IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS FOR THE EPA TO REVIEW THEIR APPLICATION AND MY, TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PREEMPTIVELY ALREADY HAVE THAT TANK AND PROCESS AND READY TO GET IT HOOKED UP WHEN THEY GET A DECISION IN FOUR MONTHS.

CAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A VERY CLOSE TIMELINE.

SO THE WAY THAT, AND I'M NOT PRIVY TO ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN ALL OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED.

SO WE'VE GOT LOCAL ENGINEERS, THEY'RE MASTER ENGINEERS IN UTAH, THERE'S CONVERSATIONS WITH EPA THERE'S CONVERSATIONS WITH HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, OLD DOMINION IS GOING TO ENGINEER THE SITE, THE BUILDING FOR UTILITY SERVICE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT UTILITY SERVICE IS GOING TO COME FROM CLARK COUNTY OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT UTILITY SERVICE IS GOING TO COME FROM THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE UTILITY SERVICE.

SO THEY ARE DESIGNING THE SYSTEM THAT WAY.

AND REGARDLESS, THEY'RE GOING TO ORDER THE TANK.

AND THE REASON THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ORDER THE TANK IS BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T GET A DEAL DONE WITH, UH, CLARK COUNTY, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED IT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A RESTOCKING FEE OR NOT, BUT, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

SO THEY'VE INCURRED, UH, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ENGINEER LAST WEEK, THEY'VE ALREADY INCURRED ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN UNANTICIPATED COSTS AND TRYING TO WORK AROUND THIS AND KEEP THE PEACE AND STAY ON THEIR SCHEDULE.

SO, UH, TO THEIR CREDIT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EVEN FULLY OPERATIONAL HERE AND THEY'RE ALREADY BEEN GOOD CORPORATE, UH, RESIDENTS TO US, GOOD CORPORATE CITIZENS AND, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING OUT FOR OUR NEEDS AS MUCH AS WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR NEEDS.

SO THEY'VE BEEN CREWED ROUGHLY A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR ADDITIONAL COSTS ARE NOT EVEN UP AND OPERATIONAL, BUT THEY DON'T WANT US TO LITIGATE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

WELL, OKAY.

REAL QUICK, COMING TO GLENN.

SO WHAT IS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OLD DOMAIN AT THIS POINT IT'S STILL ON SOLID FOOTING.

THERE ARE, ARE THEY UPSET WITH US IN ANY WAY OVER, OVER ANY IN ISRAEL THIS HAS PLAYED OUT OR DO WE HAVE STILL MAINTAIN A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM? AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH OLD DOMINION AND ALL OF THEIR AFFILIATE PARTNERS ON THIS PROJECT.

WE DISCLOSE TO THEM IMMEDIATELY WHAT WE KNEW ONCE WE KNEW IT, WE'VE PROVIDED THEM WITH ALL OF THE TIMELINES.

WE'VE PROVIDED THEM WITH SOME OF THE INITIAL COMMUNICATIONS, PROBABLY ABOUT 30 DAYS WORTH, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE THE BALL.

WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE, UH, SO THAT THEY WERE AWARE, UM, THAT YOU, WE WANTED TO TRY AND MAKE THEIR PROJECT SUCCESSFUL.

UH, WHEN WE STARTED TO HEAR SOME CONCERNS FROM THEM ABOUT COST OVERRUNS, UH, WE DID ADVISE THEM THAT WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE, BECAUSE THEY, UH, HAD BEEN SO WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND BE GOOD CITIZENS, EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY WERE NOT HERE, THAT WE WOULD BE BACK BEFORE YOU, THEY ARE IN A PRE 94 CRA AND THEY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR AN ABATEMENT.

AND SO, UM, OUR COMMENT TO THEM WAS OUR COMMITMENT TO THEM WAS WHEN EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE, LET US KNOW WHAT THIS SITUATION COSTS YOU ABOVE AND BEYOND.

AND WE WILL TAKE THAT TO COUNCIL AND ASK THAT THEY HAVE BAIT THAT, THAT THEY PAID THAT EXPENSE FOR YOU, SO THAT YOU WERE MADE WHOLE BECAUSE OF HIS SITUATION.

SO, UH, WE'RE ON VERY GOOD GROUND WITH THEM.

WE CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH, UH, WITH THEIR TEAM ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND THOSE ARE VERY POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS.

THANKS, BRIAN, GO AHEAD.

UM, YEAH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY MR. CAMPBELL.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THESE ARE THE TYPES OF INDUSTRY JOBS THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO YOU WERE AS, UM, AS BRIAN STATED THAT OUR LARGEST INCOME TAXPAYERS ARE THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

AND I DO THINK AN EXPANSION OF THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY, I, I THINK THAT OPTION THREE IS PROBABLY THE BEST LONG GAME OPTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF SHORT-TERM PLAYS, BUT I THINK THAT DOES PLAY DOWN THE ROAD A LOT BETTER.

SO I DO LIKE THE THIRD OPTION.

VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS.

YES MA'AM.

HAS SOME PRESSURE PROBLEMS, BUT I WOULD DEFER.

SO IF YOU LOVE BELLE PLAINE, WHAT STALEMATE ESTIMATED COST 6 MILLION, UH, IF YOU GO UP TO I'LL PLAY A BELL FOUNTAIN.

UM, YEAH.

SO IF, UM, YEAH, THE, THE WATER EXPENSE IS SOMEWHAT LESS THAN, UM, HERITAGE.

SO 2.7, 2 MILLION TO RUN UP BELL FOUNTAIN.

WHAT ABOUT GOING DOWN? WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THAT? SO THE ISSUE WITH CHAMBERSBURG, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE ON, UM, ON THIS UTILITY MAP, UM, BUT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO DOG LEG NORTHBOUND.

SO ONCE YOU GOT TO, FOR AN ORDER TO CONNECT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DOG LIKE TO GO NORTH.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S

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AND MR. BERGMAN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WATER? YES.

UH, DOWNTOWN CHAMBERSBURG.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW? WATER IS EXTENDED DOWN CHAMBERSBURG TO THE END OF ARTISTS AND WALK.

ANY DEVELOPMENT GOES ON DOWN THERE, WATER, WE WILL BE EXTENDED AND WE WILL BE EXTENDING IT WITH CHAMBERSBURG PHASE FOUR WITHIN TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS.

BUT IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES BEFORE THAT, WE JUST EXTEND THE WATER TO GET TO THAT POINT.

SO WATER RIGHT NOW, ISN'T GOING DOWN.

CHAMBERS WERE PARTIALLY THERE, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.

THIS PROJECT, THE WATER MAIN IS GOING FROM ROUGHLY COLUMNAR FARMS, NORTH OF BELL FOUNTAIN AND CROSSING THE HIGHWAY TO GET CENTER POINT 70, TO SERVICE OUR WATER TO THEM.

WITH THAT, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A WATER BOOSTER STATION TO PUMP IT UP TO THERE CAUSE IT'S HIGHER ELEVATION.

UM, SO THAT'S REALLY ALL ONLY THE WATER PART OF THIS PROJECT.

THE BIGGER PART IS THE SANITARY SEWER, WHICH IS DOWN STARTING AT, UH, IF YOU'LL SEE THAT BLUE AREA UP THERE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IS FAIRBORN WA A WASTEWATER PLANT WILL EXTEND SANITARY UP TO CHAMBERSBURG, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO RUN IT UP CHAMBERSBURG.

AND THAT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE THAT WHOLE BLUE AREA WILL NEVER DEVELOP WITHOUT US DOING THAT.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS TO GET SANITARY SEWER DOWN THERE, WHOLE AREA FROM BELL FOUNTAIN, ROUTE FOUR, WE'LL NOW HAVE SERVICE FOR SANDWICHES.

SO, AND THEN WE'LL JUST EXTEND IT UP TO GET TO CENTER POINT 70 TO SERVICE THAT ALSO.

SO, UH, WATER REALLY, ISN'T A PROBLEM IT'S GOING TO KIND OF COME AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS ON CHAMBERSBURG.

IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY WE COULD GET A BLOCK GRANT FOR THIS OR APPLY FOR ONE? SO FROM THE GRANTS END OF THINGS IS TIMING, UM, THAT BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS OUT THERE, BUT THE TIMING ON THIS DOESN'T WORK TO BE ABLE TO GET A GRANT BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON IT THIS YEAR.

UM, SO FUTURE, WE'LL SAY EXTENSIONS OF THIS DEFINITELY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, UM, LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED, LIKE SOME OF THE CHAMBERSBURG PIECES AND THAT KIND OF THING.

THANK YOU, ED.

WE'LL GO TO THE MAYOR.

UM, UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, THIS PLAN.

UM, THE OPTION THREE, I THINK SHOWS A REAL VISION THAT STAFF HAS COME UP WITH.

IT GIVES US THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, EXPANSION IN OUR FUTURE.

UH, THAT EXPANSION OBVIOUSLY, UH, COULD BE 10, 20, 30 YEARS OR MORE, BUT IF WE BUILD THAT THEY WILL COME, RIGHT? SO YOU SOMEDAY THEY WILL COME EVEN, EVEN IF YOU WERE PATIENT.

AND EVEN IF YOU BUILD IT TODAY, IT'S 5% LESS EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR, THAT TIME TAKES AWAY.

SO, UH, AND, AND AT THE END OF THE LINE, LITERALLY WE ALREADY HAVE A CUSTOMER NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOUP OUR COSTS WITH THAT ONE CUSTOMER, BUT IT OPENS UP, UM, A FUTURE OF OUR CITY IN, IN ANYONE LOOKING AT THE MAP CAN SEE, UM, HOW MUCH HOOPER'S ALREADY DEVELOPED AND THE AREAS THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.

AND THIS WILL DEFINITELY OPEN THAT UP FOR THE POSSIBILITIES.

UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, MAYOR, UM, UH, I, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN THE FUTURE OF WHAT IT CAN DO.

SO NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL FUTURES ON COUNCIL, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROJECT THAT LASTS JUST LIKE MANY OF THE PROJECTS, 10, 20 YEARS BEFORE WE CAME ON COUNCIL.

OTHER COUNCILS, UM, HAVE HAD THAT VISION AS WELL.

UM, I'M NOT SOLD ON THE FUNDING, UH, PARTICULAR TO THIS, BUT I AM VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE PLAN THAT CAN PAY FOR THIS.

UM, CERTAINLY THERE ARE OTHERS.

I KNOW MR. CAMPBELL MENTIONED THE TIF FUNDING, UM, JERRY LEGALLY, UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER AND SEWER, CORRECT.

AND THEN PASS IT ON TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR BUSINESS WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT YET, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, LEGALLY WE CAN BUILD THAT FIRST, PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN, ON THE CITY DIME AND THEN RECOUP THAT COST AS THE DEVELOPMENTS COME THROUGH, PASS THAT COST ON TO THE DEVELOPERS GENERALLY THROUGH TAPPING FEES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE WOULD GET A LOT

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OF THAT COSTS BACK IN.

SO, UM, AS IT DEVELOPS OVER TIME, THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO, UM, PAY FOR ITSELF.

GO AHEAD.

YOU'RE ASKING THE WRONG GUY.

I'M FOR OPTION ONE.

NOW WE'RE NOT BILLING YOUR HOURS ANYMORE.

THERE'LL BE LESS THAN 6.4 MILLION, BUT YEAH.

SO THE FINANCING, SO LEGALLY WE CAN DO THAT.

WE CAN PASS ON THIS COST AS IT COMES TO THE FUTURE, WE'RE JUST PAYING, UH, THE COST UPFRONT AND THEN PASSING IT ONTO THE DEVELOPER.

BUT IT'S LEGAL, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART FOR YOU AND SCOTT YOU'VE BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT LONG ENOUGH.

UM, THE DEVELOPERS ALWAYS PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPICALLY.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND THEY WILL COME LATER, WE CAN PASS THAT COST ON TO THEM.

SO IT WON'T COST US ANYTHING.

WE CAN SET UP ASSESSMENT DISTRICTS.

WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE, UM, WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS, UM, THAT WHEN SOMEBODY TAPS IN THAT THEY OWN A CERTAIN PORTION OF IT.

PAY INTO THE SYSTEM THAT THE CITY PUT IN AS AN INVESTMENT.

SO, SO THE COST IS, UH, CAN BE MITIGATED THROUGH THAT.

AND THEN THE HUGE UPSIDE, UM, PROPERTY VALUES GO UP HELP, UH, PROPERTY TAXES GO UP FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, HELPS MOSTLY THE SCHOOLS.

WE GET THE INCOME TAX FOR THE JOBS, UH, IN CERTAINLY, UM, THE BUILDINGS AND THEN THE BUSINESS TEXAS THAT WE RECEIVE AS WELL.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

IS IT NOT? YES.

SO WHATEVER FINANCIAL PLAN WE HAVE, AND I KNOW THIS IS PRELIMINARY, SO IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IT'S, IT'S FLEXIBLE.

IT CAN BE MOVED AROUND, UH, BUT WE CAN PAY FOR IT AND THEN PASS THE COST ONTO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WE GO AND PAY FOR ITSELF CORRECTLY.

MAYOR, I LOVE OPTION THREE THE BEST.

THANKS GUYS.

I THINK AS WE SIT HERE AND TALK WITH US AND JUST CONSIDER THIS VISION IS IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, ALL OF US ARE NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOREVER AND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THE FUTURE SUCCESS OF THE CITY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND FUTURE COUNCILS.

AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, I THINK IS, IS, UM, IS A GREAT DIRECTION.

AND THE INTEGRATED DISCUSSION, DON DAN, A QUESTION OR COMMENT.

DEVELOPMENT COULD DO TO THE CITY, NOT SO MUCH THE GAME, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT LOGISTICS, WAREHOUSING, AND DISTRIBUTION, IT'S A FOCUS OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY RECRUITMENT EFFORTS.

MA'AM BRIAN, YOU SAID 3.9 MILLION PAYROLL FOR OLD DOMINION, CORRECT? IS THAT THAT'S SAY ANNUAL, ALMOST ASSUMING THAT THAT LOCATION ONLY THAT'S BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE, NOT INCLUDING ANY EXPANSION.

UM, SO ARE VERY ROUGH NUMBERS.

UM, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THAT PAYROLL.

UM, WE GAVE IT A 2% ESCALATOR, UM, EACH YEAR AND, UH, THE CITY WOULD STAND TO AT, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE CITY WOULD NET W WOULD STAND TO, UH, TO GROSS, UH, 361,600 AND CHANGE, UH, BASED ON INCOME TAX PAID AT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, FACILITY, UM, PROPERTY TAX, UM, C PROPERTY TAX.

UH, THE CALCULATION THAT WE RAN, EXCUSE ME, WAS NOT FOR OUR OWN, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE SHARE THAT WOULD BE DUE TO, UM, UH, TO THE COUNTY.

UM, HAD THEY LOCATED IN THE JED, UH, WOULD BE, UH, 30,500 TO THE COUNTY AND 14,000 DUE TO THE TOWNSHIP OVER THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE TOTAL TAX RATE OF, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.

IT'S ABOUT 25 MILS.

SO OUR TAKE, WHICH IS, UH, OUR MILITARY IS JUST A PRETEND, WOULD BE SOMETHING CLOSER TO ABOUT 15,000.

AWESOME.

UM, JUST TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PROPOSED JUDD AGREEMENT, UM, LOOKING IN THERE, YOU SPOKE TO THE, UM, TO THE, UM, UM, MAJOR ROADWORKS OR WE'D BE OBLIGATED TO ON HOW DETRIMENTAL THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THIS LIMIT ON ANNEXATION WOULD POSSIBLY DO TO US? UM, WELL, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH TO SPECULATE, UM, UM, BEING A PROFESSIONAL MANAGER AND A TRADITIONALIST WHEN IT COMES TO HOME RULE, AND I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PACK A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER JOB PER PURR, PURR, UH, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, 200 SQUARE FEET, UH, ON ALL 500 ACRES THERE.

SO THE NUMBER'S GOING TO BE ASTRONOMICAL, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, UM, MY ISSUE IS NOT MY CONCERN, I SHOULD SAY FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IS REALLY THE DAMAGE THAT THIS

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IT'S A FOCUS OF DAYTON DEVELOPMENT, COALITION EFFORTS, UM, AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND FREQUENCY THAT WE'RE GETTING.

AND WE'RE SEEING THESE TYPES OF, UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT INCOME AND WE CAN RUN A, A USE ANALYSIS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO, UH, TO ANY FINAL DIRECTION, WE CAN KIND OF RUN AN ANALYSIS AND TELL YOU WHAT WE THINK.

UH, BUT IT IT'LL BE, IT'D BE A GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL.

UM, HERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, TOP 10 TAXPAYERS JUST AS YOU MIGHT SEE DOWN HERE, RIGHT.

UM, IN THAT AREA.

AND IT'D BE QUITE FRANKLY, YOU, YOU PAY ME TO LOOK OUT FOR YOUR BEST INTEREST AND I'D MUCH RATHER MAKE SURE THAT HUMAN RIGHTS GETS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE INCOME TAX, THEN 33%.

AND SO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ONE JOB IN A, IN A FACTORY OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S 300 JOBS IN A FACTORY, UM, I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE AND PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT INCOME TAX AT CITI, HUBER HEIGHTS, ANYTHING LESS.

SO I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT TREE POINT LINE A MILLION TIMES THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL BUSINESSES LOCATED IN THIS NEW ERA.

SO THAT MAKES A PRETTY STRONG STATEMENT FOR ME AMERICA.

SO JUST FOR THAT, JUST TO THAT POINT, MR. WEBB, UM, SCOTT, WHAT'S THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE, THE OLD DOMINION SITE, THE, THE, NOT THE HUDDLE, NOT THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S WHAT IS IT LIKE 14 ACRES.

SO LET'S ROUND IT UP TO 15, SO TAKE 500 AND DIVIDE IT BY 15, ASSUMING THEY ALL GET DEVELOPED THE SAME AND THERE'S YOUR 360 TIMES IN WHATEVER THAT MAGIC NUMBER LOOKS LIKE.

MA'AM SO THAT'S SOME GREAT DISCUSSION.

SO I, I GUESS, I MEAN, I KNOW TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE ON THIS.

UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY JUMP UP AND DOWN AND SAY THAT OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO IS WHAT THEY LIKE.

UM, SO I'LL JUST ASK, IS, IS THIS COUNCIL ONCE MORE TIME, MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND DISCUSS AGAIN, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT IS INTERESTED IN JUST BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, GOING AND MOVING THAT, MOVING THIS FORWARD, UM, WITH THE PLAN OF EXPANDING OUR UTILITY SERVICE, WHAT'S WHAT, UH, WHAT'S KIND OF, WHAT'S COUNCIL'S WISHES HERE MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTION THREE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, WELL, DOMINION CAN'T WAIT.

LET'S MOVE AS QUICKLY ON OPTION THREE, AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

UH, FIVE MONTHS OLD DOMINION PLANS ON OPENING, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD JANUARY SCOTT, WHAT WOULD BE THE FASTEST WE CAN GET, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, UM, THEIR QUALITY WORK TALKING TO THEM A LITTLE OVER A YEAR.

UM, NEXT NOVEMBER IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT, UH, MR. BERGMAN HAS LOOKED AT FOR THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, FIRST IS STARTING WITH THE DESIGN, UM, BIDDING THAT OUT AND GETTING THAT STARTED.

AND THEN THE, UH, UM, WORKING ON BIDDING OUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND LOOKING AT ANY RIGHT AWAY ISSUES, ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

UM, THEN THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, GETTING THINGS LIKE THE PERMIT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHALLENGE FOR STAFF TO SEE THE BEST WORK THAT THEY CAN DO ON THIS PROJECT.

MA'AM UM, I WOULD JUST BACK UP AND SAY THAT, UM, 100% NOT IN FAVOR OF OPTION TWO FOR THE REASONS THAT BRIAN'S POINTED OUT.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OLD DOMINION IS 100%, UM, MODERN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE LITIGATION.

UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME EITHER.

SO OPTION THREE SEEMS TO BE LOGICAL OR THE SMART MOVE.

I WOULD BACK THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING, UH, OPTION THREE AND EXTENDING OUR OR UTILITY SERVICES TO MONDAYS COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.

LET'S DO THAT.

LET'S SEE IT ON.

WE'LL SEE IT ON MONDAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IF I MAY, UM, BRIAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ANALYSIS, UM, UH, IF POSSIBLE, THAT YOU SPOKE TO EARLIER, UM, AND, UH, AND YOU, YOU WERE RAMBLING SOME NUMBERS THAT PROBABLY WORK BELL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAN THEY DO IN THIN AIR.

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SO YES, SIR.

YES, YES, SIR.

IF WE GET SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH THAT YES, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY, BUT ALSO, UM, PROGRESS SUPPORTS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THE NEXT WORK SESSION, LIKE WHAT MR. CAMPBELL ASKS FOR AND WHAT MR. SHAWL JUST MENTIONED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, FUTURE TAX EARNINGS AND ALL THAT.

SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT AT A WORK SESSION JUST FOR CONTINUED CONVERSATION.

SURE.

APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.

SOUNDS GOOD.

ITEM THREE L, WHICH IS THE HERO'S CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEMBERSHIP.

NEXT UP IS

[ Huber Heights Chamber of Commerce Membership]

UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, SOME PREVENT SOME MEETINGS WITH, UM, WITH THE CHAMBER BOARD AND I THINK EVERYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, UH, WE'RE.

I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW.

UM, WE ALL AGREE THAT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER BENEFITS, UH, THE CHAMBER BENEFITS THE CITY AND, UH, WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS, WITH THE MEETING THAT WE HAD HERE AT THE CITY WITH THE BOARD, UM, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME, YOU'VE TALKED, I THINK THAT, UM, I'M CERTAINLY PREPARED TO, UH, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, REESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER AT THE, UH, LEAVE THE PLATINUM LEVEL SPONSORSHIP THAT WE HAD IN THE PAST.

UH, IN SPEAKING WITH TONY, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE WOULD JUST BE, UH, THOSE DON'T LEGISLATION BASED ON THE LAST MEETING, IT WOULD JUST NEED TO BE A MOTION, UM, I GUESS IN A SECOND BREAK FOOD TO, TO REESTABLISH THAT YEAH, THE ACTION TO CANCEL THE MEMBERSHIP WAS TAKEN BY MOTION.

SO IT'D JUST BE A MOTION TO REINSTATE THE MEMBERSHIP AND GIVE COUNCILS APPROVAL TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO REINSTATE THAT MEMBERSHIP.

SO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION BASED ON, UH, THE LAST MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE, UH, WITH THE NEW CHAMBER BOARD.

SO, UH, CERTAINLY FREE TO HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WHAT ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO DISCUSS.

I WILL SAY I'M ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF REESTABLISHING THAT RELATIONSHIP.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE EVER SPLIT IT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK AND GO FULL IN, LIKE YOU SAID, AT THE PLATINUM LEVEL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, NANCY? UH, YES.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH REESTABLISHING THE MEMBERSHIP, BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT THEM BEING, UM, POLITICAL AND, UM, UH, AND THAT'S DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT, UH, I THINK ALL OF US ARE VERY RECEIVED CALLS TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN, UM, IN ELECTION, UH, QUESTION AND ANSWERS.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNCIL.

I, I DON'T, I MEAN, FOR THE CHAMBER, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE APOLITICAL.

THEY DO NOT ENDORSE CANDIDATES.

UM, I, I, I THINK THAT THEIR FOCUS NEEDS TO BE ON, ON PROMOTING OUR CITY AND, AND NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ON THAT, BUT, UH, THAT REALLY DOES.

I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

WE HAVE THE LEGAL WOMEN VOTERS, WE HAVE THE MEDIA, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY FEEL A NEED TO DO THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTARY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING US ON TO MONDAY'S MEETING TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO REESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLINTON, THE MOBILE SPONSORSHIP.

THREE M WHICH IS A LIQUOR PERMIT 3 0 6 1 2 1 3 0 0 0 FOR LITTLE CAESARS AND 53 90 BRAND PIKES.

AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON MONDAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ Liquor Permit #30612130080 - Little Caesar's - 5390 Brandt Pike]

UH, YES, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT FOR LITTLE CAESARS ON A BRAND PIKE.

UM, THE LIQUOR PERMIT APPLICATION HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS WITH NO OBJECTIONS AND WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO MONDAY'S AGENDA FOR, UM, BASICALLY, UH, TO STATE TO THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL THAT THE CITY HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE APPROVAL, THE NEW PERMIT, HEY, DISCUSSION, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.

NEXT UP IS I AM THREE IN

[ Adopting Ordinance - City Code - Traffic Code/General Offenses Code Amendments]

ADOPTING ORDINANCES, THE CITY CODE, THE TRAFFIC CODE GENERAL OFFENSES CODE MINUTES.

REFERENCES, UH, IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE IN THESE TWO SECTIONS INTO THE HUBER HEIGHTS, CODIFIED ORDINANCES.

SO, UH, EACH YEAR, UH, OUR MUNA CODE, WHICH IS OUR CODIFICATION PROVIDER, UH, REVIEWS CHANGES TO THE HIGHER REVISE CODE AND RECOMMENDS CHANGES IN THE OHIO REVISED CODE THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE CITY CODE AND CITY ORDINANCES.

UM, SO, UH, THOSE AREAS THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON ARE THE TRAFFIC CODE AND THE GENERAL OFFENSE AS CODE.

SO THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, FOR THE LAST YEAR PERIOD AND HAVE RECOMMENDED SOME CHANGES.

THESE HAVE ALSO BEEN VETTED BY OUR LAW DIRECTOR AND, UM, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL TO PASS AN ADOPTING ORDINANCE TO PULL BASICALLY THESE

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SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, UM, IT, UH, CAN GO TO TWO READINGS.

UM, SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE ON MONDAY.

GREAT.

AND JERRY, NO NEW ISSUES WITH ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'VE EDITED.

THEY WERE ALL, THEY WERE ALL JUST PRETTY MIRRORS CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE OHIO REVISED CODE.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY CAME INTO RATINGS? THAT'S FINE.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE FESTIVAL, WE'LL HEAR THE FIRST READING ON MONDAY.

AND NEXT

[ City Manager Search Firm Proposals]

IS ITEM THREE.

OH, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH FIRM PROPOSAL.

UH, JOHNNY I'LL I'LL.

DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW SOON COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE THIS ALONG, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO, UH, DECIDE HOW TO EVALUATE THEM IN AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UM, YOU'RE ALL AWARE, UH, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WE WENT OUT FOR AN RFP, UH, FOR CITY MANAGER SEARCH FIRMS. UH, WE RECEIVED THE RESULTS OF THOSE PROPOSALS, UM, ON AUGUST THE SECOND.

AND, UM, AS INDICATED IN THE PACKET I INCLUDED THE BEDSHEET OR, UH, FOR THE PROPOSALS RECEIVED ON THAT DAY, WE DID RECEIVE A TOTAL OF FIVE PROPOSALS, UM, BY THE, THE DUE DAY.

UM, SO WE'RE AT THE STAGE OF NOW HAVING SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED IN EVALUATING THE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, UM, TYPICALLY, UM, WITH AN RFP OF THIS NATURE WITH, FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PROPOSAL, UM, WE WOULD INTERNALLY DO SOME TYPE OF, UM, UH, PROPOSAL SCORING OR RATING SHEET TO DO EVALUATION.

UM, I PREPARED A SAMPLE HERE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE IN SOME OTHER CASES, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT, UM, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE EXACT CRITERIA, UM, NOR DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE WEIGHTING OF THE EXACT CRITERIA THAT HAS BEEN OUTLINED IN THIS, BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU A KIND OF AN IDEA OF THE MATH OF METHODOLOGY THAT MIGHT BE USED IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.

SO A ONE WOULD BE DECIDING THE SCORING AND METHODOLOGY FOR EVALUATING THE PROPOSALS.

AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO DETERMINE, UM, WHAT BODY OR PERSONS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, DOING THAT EVALUATION, UM, AND SCORING OF THE PROPOSALS SO THAT WE COULD ARRIVE AT A RECOMMENDATION, UH, UH, SELECTING ONE OF THE FIVE PROPOSALS THAT'S BEEN, UM, PROVIDED.

SO, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICE.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT ON THE INITIAL BID SHEET, I WAS NOT HERE AT THE BID MEETING WHEN THE BIDS WERE DONE.

UM, SOME OF THE BIDS LISTED, UM, HAVE A PRICE, WHICH IS THE BASE AMOUNT, BUT LATER IN THE PROPOSAL, IT SPELLED OUT SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR DIFFERENT EXPENSES LIKE TRAVEL AND SUCH.

SO, UM, IT BRINGS A LOT OF THESE BEDS A LOT CLOSER WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.

UM, SOME OF THEM BUILT THE, THE, UH, EXTRA EXPENDITURES INTO THEIR BASE COSTS.

OTHERS BROKE IT OUT AS A SEPARATE ITEM.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT EVALUATION WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE COST STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSALS AND, UH, MAKING AN ASSESSMENT OF THOSE.

UM, I DID, UM, CHECK AGAINST THE ICM, WHICH IS THE ANY INTERNATIONAL CITY AND COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, WHICH, UM, HAS SOME EXPERTISE IN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS AND SUCH.

AND, UM, THEY, UH, FOR THE FIVE, UH, RESPONDEES TO THE PR WITH PROPOSALS, UH, DO APPEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE IS, UH, ASSUME SANCTIONED ENTITIES THAT, UM, HAVE AGREED TO ABIDE BY THEIR GUIDELINES, UH, FOR EXECUTIVE SEARCHES AND SUCH, UM, ONLY COFFIN ASSOCIATES WAS NOT LISTED ON THE ICM.

A WEBSITE IS A PREFERRED VENDOR, OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I'M JUST DOING SOME QUICK NOTES MYSELF.

I DIDN'T WANT TO PREJUDICE THE SELECTION BY, YOU KNOW, DOING ANY FORMAL EVALUATION WITHOUT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST DID MAKE SOME NOTES OF, UH, SOME DIFFERENT FACTORS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT VENDORS FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THEIR SUCCESS RATES AND A NUMBER OF CLIENTS THAT SAY THEY'VE WORKED WITH NUMBER OF CLIENTS WITH, UH, LIFE SIZED AND CITIES AND COMMUNITIES IN OHIO, UM, THE DIFFERENT STEPS OR PHASES THAT THEY HAVE TO THEIR RECRUITMENT PLAN AND, UH, THE ENTIRE PROCESS, UH, THE TIMEFRAME FOR, UH, COMPLETING THE PROCESS ONCE A CONTRACT IS AWARDED COSTS AND, UM, COUPLE OF OTHER DIFFERENT, UH, FACTORS.

SO IT'S REALLY NOW AT THE POINT WHERE, UM,

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AND WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT EVALUATION PROCESS.

UH, MOST OF THESE PROPOSALS ARE GOOD FOR APPROXIMATELY 90 DAYS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ONE OF THEM WITHOUT, UH, JEOPARDIZING THAT THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND HAVING TO GO BACK OUT AND SOLICIT THOSE PROPOSALS.

THANKS, TONY.

I, OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, WE HAD A LONG CAR TRIP TAKING OUR SON BACK TO COLLEGE.

SO MY WIFE DROVE AND I HAD QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THE CAR, UH, GOING THROUGH THIS PACKET.

SO I WOULD SAY I DID READ THROUGH THESE, UM, I WON'T SAY WHICH ONE, BUT AFTER READING THROUGH THESE PROPOSALS, ONE OF THEM KIND OF STUCK OUT IN MY MIND, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL COUNCIL WILL TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY READ THROUGH THESE PROPOSALS IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, UH, IN SOME PRETTY GOOD DETAIL BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS.

THE BASIC PROCESS SEEMS TO BE THE SAME WITH EVERYBODY AND THAT'S, THEY WILL PUT TOGETHER A BROCHURE.

THEY WILL PUT OUT SOME MARKETING, THEY'LL DO THE THINGS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM HAVE KIND OF THE SAME PROCESS TO TRY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE CITY MANAGER POSITION.

I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF HOW ALL OF THEM START, BUT THERE'S, I THINK CLEARLY SOME DIFFERENCES, UM, IN MY OWN OPINION, THAT SEPARATE A LOT OF THEM IN WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY OFFER.

UM, SOME LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE SAID WE WANTED TO DO A COMMUNITY MEETING AND HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT IN A COMMUNITY INTERVIEW, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, ALL OF THEM WOULD PROBABLY SAY YES, BUT THERE'S ONE THAT ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A POSSIBLE IMPORTANT PART IN THE, IN THE PROCESS.

SO, UH, SO I, I DON'T WANT TO INFLUENCE THAT EITHER, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO THROUGH AND READ THOSE PROPOSALS.

IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT WONDERFUL.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT READING A SHORT STORY BY ANY MEANS, BUT, UH, BUT LOOKING AT THEIR PROCESSES AND THE, UM, THEIR EXECUTIVES IN THE COMPANIES, WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS, WHAT THEY'VE DONE, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS, UH, THE SIZE OF CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OURS, WHERE THE CITIES ARE AT, I THINK AS YOU, AS YOU GO THROUGH HERE, UM, IT WASN'T, AS I READ THROUGH THEM, I DIDN'T HAVE TO REALLY BEAT MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL TO GO, OH MY GOSH, SOME COMPARING THESE, THERE WAS, TO ME, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PRETTY CLEAR STANDOUT, BUT, UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL YOU DO THAT MAYBE YOU'LL FIND THE SAME THING THAT I DID, MAYBE IT WON'T, BUT I THINK UNTIL YOU'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE PROPOSALS AND LOOK WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING, UM, I THINK THE DISCUSSION WE SHOULD, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ENOUGH PROCESS THAT I THINK ALL OF YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH OF THEM BRING TO THE TABLE.

AND, AND THEN ONCE YOU'VE REALLY BEEN THRILLED THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO GO.

UM, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BECAUSE I MEAN, I HAD TOOK THE TIME TO READ THEM CAUSE I WAS IN A CAR FOR 12 HOURS OVER THE WEEKEND AND HAD NOTHING ELSE TO DO, UM, WHILE MY WIFE DROVE.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I DID ANYTHING.

YES, I WASN'T IN A CAR, BUT I READ THEM AND IT'S NOT EXCITING READING, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BOILER PLATE STUFF THAT, THAT WENT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT VENDORS.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT TO ME WASN'T WELL EXPLAINED IS WHY THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT SAID IT ONLY TAKE THEM 60 DAYS TO DO IT.

AND OTHER ONES THAT IT WOULD TAKE THEM ALMOST FOUR MONTHS.

AND THERE WAS NO REAL REASONING SPELLED OUT AS TO WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.

AND, UM, AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, SOME OF THE COSTS ARE BURIED.

UM, I WOULD HAVE INITIALLY THROWN OUT THE ONE THAT WAS 15,000 8, 55 THINKING THEY WERE LOW BALLING US.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU READ THE PROPOSAL, THERE WAS ANOTHER 7,000, UM, $500 IN THERE FOR TRAVEL COSTS, RIGHT? SO ONCE YOU GET TO THE TOP TWO OR THREE CANDIDATES, OR MAYBE THREE, OR FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES AND GETTING THEM HERE AND JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS I'M OKAY WITH TRAVEL EXPENSES OF BRINGING SOMEBODY HERE.

IF WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CONCERN, THE COST OF EXPENSES FOR TRAVEL TO US REALLY PICK THE RIGHT PERSON IS LIKE ONE FIFTH OF PROBABLY THE SALARY OF THIS PERSON.

I THINK, UM, BEING ABLE TO MEET THEM FACE-TO-FACE AND BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED, I THINK IS WELL WORTH, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO PAY TO GET THEM HERE, UM, TO, TO GET THROUGH, TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

I THINK IT'S IT'S YES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

WHAT, AS YOU GET THROUGH THOSE, IF IT'S NOT LISTENED TO UPFRONT COSTS THE DIFFERENT TRAVEL EXPENSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE ALL BUILT INTO THEIR FEE EXPENSE, THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT.

AND AS TONY SAID, IT ENDS UP BRINGING ALL OF THEM PRETTY CLOSE IN LINE.

ALL OF THEM PRICE-WISE IS, IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO BEING THE SAME, SOME HANAMAN.

AND IF THEY HAD IT, THEY DIDN'T MENTION

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IT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO ASSUME THAT IT'S, WELL, ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, OFF, YOU KNOW, ALL FEES AND EXPENSES INCLUDED IN THIS BIT.

SO THERE'S ONE THAT'S LIKE THAT TOO.

SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK TO REALLY HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION, A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE FIRMS, UH, EVERYONE NEEDS TO TAKE THE TIME TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THOSE AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE FIRMS OFFER US AND WHAT THEIR PROCESS IS.

UM, YOU KNOW, STOOD OUT AS VERY SPECIFIC TO, UM, UH, DIVERSE CULTURE, DIVERSE CANDIDATES TRAINING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH.

I MEAN, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALL OF THOSE ARE, ARE DIFFERENT IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE EXPLAINED.

SO, BUT I, UM, YEAH, THERE WAS A STANDOUT FOR ME AFTER READING ALL FIVE OF THEM, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T ALL HAVE TO AGREE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME WHEN I READ THROUGH THEM.

SO, UM, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO DIG THROUGH AND I DO WANT TO DO THAT.

DEFINITELY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND WE GO THROUGH THEM.

IF WE UTILIZE SOMETHING LIKE TONY, WERE YOU REFERRING TO STAFF USING THIS OR US USING THESE INDIVIDUALLY FOR RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO DECIDE.

I, I THINK IF, UH, YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO PARTAKE IN THAT PROCESS, CERTAINLY IT COULD BE SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK JUST ME GOING THROUGH AND EVALUATING THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD SUFFICE, I THINK, RIGHT.

UH, COUNCIL HAS A CLEAR IDEA AS INDIVIDUALS, UM, ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND AFFIRMED FOR THIS PURPOSE.

SO, UM, I THINK TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND WEIGHTING THESE IN SOME FASHION WOULD BE A HELPFUL PART OF THE PROCESS.

I THINK, UH, AT THE VERY LEAST WE TRY TO THROUGH OUR COLLECTIVE MINDS, MAYBE EVEN JUST NARROW IT DOWN TO TOP TWO OR THREE OR WHATEVER TO DO AN INTERVIEW WITH AND, UM, AND GO FROM THERE.

BUT YEAH, I NEED TO READ THROUGH THEM THOUGH.

UH, YEAH, I, I HAVE RECOMMENDED WE HAVE ANY REAL MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION UNTIL WE KNEW EVERYBODY'S HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH ALL FIVE PROPOSALS.

THANK YOU VERY, UH, TO CONTINUE ON COUNCIL MEMBER AUTO'S COMMENTS.

UM, I TOLD YOU IF YOU COULD SEND THIS OUT AND MAYBE A PDF FORMAT, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, APPROPRIATE MAYOR FOR, UM, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO, UH, UTILIZE THIS, UH, WITH THE, UM, RFPS AND, AND SEND THOSE IN TO TONY.

TONY CAN PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND HAVE THAT IN OUR NEXT WORK SESSION PACKET.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A TIMELY PROCESS.

AND YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS.

SO USING PDF FORM, I GUESS, AS A, AS A GUIDELINE, I MEAN, AS YOU READ THROUGH THIS, YOU MAY, UH, AS YOU READ THEIR SIZE PROPOSALS, YOU MAY THINK OF, OH, SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN TERM.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO TONY AND WE CAN, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE AS YOU'RE READING THESE PROPOSALS, YOU MAY SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T THINK OF RIGHT NOW THAT, OH, WOW.

THIS, THESE TWO COMPANIES MENTIONED THIS, BUT THE OTHER THREE DIDN'T, DIDN'T BRING IT UP AT ALL.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

SO, SO WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

WE COULD JUST ADD A COMMENT SECTION TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT, THAT IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR CONTEXT TO YOUR RATINGS, UH, WE, WE COULD INDICATE THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CRITERIA BESIDES WHAT YOU HAVE ON THERE? AS EXAMPLES OF THE REASON I ASKED, BECAUSE THE FIRST THREE, JUST, YOU KNOW, ABOUT EVERYBODY FAILED THOUGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S POINT THE COMPANY THAT WAS THERE THAT COULDN'T DO THE JOB.

WELL, I THINK IN LOOKING AT THE FIRST COUPLE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COMPARE IT AGAINST THE ACTUAL OWNER RFP, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE SPECIFICATIONS WE PUT IN THE RFP WAS A COMMUNITY INPUT, A PIECE TO THE PROCESS OF, UH, CONSIDERATION OF APPLICANTS AND NOT ALL OF THEM INCLUDED THAT IN THEIR PROPOSALS.

SO, UH, YEAH, I CAN SEND IT OUT AGAIN.

UM, SO, UH, THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE RFP THAT NOT EVERY APPLICANT OR PROPOSAL ADDRESS COMMUNITY INPUT, AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TIME FACTORS AND STUFF, THERE ARE SOME SLIGHT VARIATIONS IN THE, IN THE PROCESS AND HOW THEY GO ABOUT IT AND THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SCREENING OF APPLICANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME BENEFIT TO THESE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT MAYBE WAITING THOSE LAST, UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A STANDARD RATING, UM, SHEET THAT'S USED, LIKE BY ENGINEERING AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR OTHER TYPES OF PROPOSALS THAT COME IN THAT ARE NON BID SPECIFIC.

UM, SO THIS IS MORE LIKE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PROPOSAL THAT THIS WAS MEANT TO ADDRESS.

I THINK NARROW IN TO, I MEAN, IT'S A NARROWING TOOL THAT GETS US DOWN TO MAYBE TWO FIRMS AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAVE REAL SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT TWO FIRMS, BUT AS AN EARRING TOOL, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY OKAY,

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DON.

UM, I LIKED THIS FRAMEWORK.

YOU'VE GOT TONY.

I WOULD AGREE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE, UH, UM, WE CAN DO IT IN THE MARGIN, THE ABILITY TO ADD, UH, IF, UH, OUR CRITERIA POPS INTO OUR HEAD, THAT'S MAYBE NOT LISTED ON THIS PAGE.

AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE, UH, THE WEIGHTS THAT YOU HAVE ASSIGNED TO EACH ONE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA, JUST JUMPING ON THERE.

UM, YEAH, WHEN I WAS, I HAD SAID AT THE BEGINNING IS THESE ARE ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

UM, WE JUST TOOK THE BOILER TEMPLATE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY FOR THIS TYPE OF PROPOSAL DOESN'T FIT IT EXACTLY.

BUT IT GIVES A FRAMEWORK FOR DISCUSSION FOR YOU GUYS TO REFINE THAT.

SO IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE SEND THAT OUT FOR EVERYBODY TO START EVALUATING AGAINST, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE ME TO JUST MAKE A CHANGE TO NOW THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE IN THE FORM THAT I'M SENDING OUT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, UH, BE THE EASIEST.

MAYBE WHEN WE SCORE THIS WEEK, UH, I'VE HAD SOME TIME TO DIGEST.

WE COULD REVISIT THE WEIGHTS SO THAT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH ON MAKE CHANGES AT THAT TIME EVEN LIVE, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE FIRMS, BUT EVERYBODY LOOKED AT ME JUST READ IT ALL FIVE FIRMS, ONE THROUGH FIVE, THAT'S THE WEIGHT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEN SEE WHERE WE END UP OUT OF THAT.

AND MAYBE ONE FIRM BLEW ALL THE OTHER ONES AWAY, BUT MAYBE THERE'S THE TOP.

MAYBE THERE'S TWO, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

I MEAN, INSTEAD OF ASSIGNING 25 POINTS TO ONE, OR, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IF YOU READ THROUGH THEM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE.

AND I THINK RANK EACH FROM JUST ONE THROUGH FIVE THERE'S FIVE FIRMS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE BEING THE BEST FIVE BEING THE WORST.

AND IF ONE COMFORTED, UM, I COULD MAKE A SHEET TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL.

I MEAN, JUST THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF RANKING THEM AS WE'RE READING THEM WHILE THEY'RE FRESH IN FRONT OF YOU.

UM, AND YOU STARTED TAKING NOTES THEN, AND THEN YOU RANK THEM OUT.

AND I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT APPLES TO APPLES.

SO ONE MAY HAVE A STRENGTH IN ONE AREA AND THE OTHER ONE MAY NOT.

UM, AND JUST TO SAY, OKAY, I'M JUST GOING TO LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER AND PICK THIS GUY BECAUSE I LIKE THIS PARTICULAR THING THAT THEY'RE DOING.

THAT'S NOT REALLY, THAT'S NOT REALLY A FAIR EVALUATION.

IT'S I MEAN, W SO WHAT I WOULD BE ASKING YOU TO DO IS READ ALL OF THEM VERY THOROUGHLY.

IF YOU HAVE, THEN, THEN IN YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WHICH ONE'S THE BEST AFTER READING AND COMPARING THEM ALL YOUR COMPARISON MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN GLENN'S COMPARISON OR MY COMPARISON.

SO THE COMPANY I HAVE IS RANKED NUMBER ONE MIGHT BE NUMBER ONE, BUT WHO YOU HAVE AS NUMBER ONE MIGHT BE MY NUMBER FOUR, BUT IF I'M TRUSTING YOUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, THAT YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THESE AND DETERMINE HOW YOU THINK THEY RANK.

UM, AND YOU MIGHT RANK NUMBER ONE DIFFERENTLY THAN NUMBER FOUR, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT ITEMS THEN THAN WHAT FOUR DOES.

SO, OKAY.

MY CONCERN IS, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THEM ARE TWO MONTHS.

SOME OF THEM ARE ALMOST FOUR MONTHS AND THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION IN THERE FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME.

SO I WOULD RANK THEM LOWER BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.

SO I WOULD, IF THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE, THEN I'D RANK THEM LOWER.

AND THEN IF I RANKED THEM LOWER, I WOULD, I WOULD PUT IN THE MARGINS IN THE COMMENT SECTION, WHY I FELT THAT THIS COMPANY DIDN'T RANK AS HIGH AS THAT.

SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY GOING BACK TO ANY OF THE VENDORS AND SAYING, DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THIS? LIKE WE DO, IN OTHER WORDS, NO, HE COULD.

WELL, I MEAN, ONCE WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A MEASURING TOOL AND WITHOUT TRYING TO GET IT SO COMPLICATED TRYING TO ADD WEIGHTS, AND THIS ONE'S, THIS SECTIONS WERE TWENTY-FIVE POINTS, AND THIS WAS WORTH 10 POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST ALL OF US ARE SMART ENOUGH TO READ A PROPOSAL AND FEEL HOW THAT COMPARES WITH ANOTHER ONE.

SO, SO I THINK MY OWN PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT AND YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT ONCE THAT'S DONE THAT DOESN'T MEAN, OH MY GOSH, WE GOT A NUMBER ONE, THAT'S IT CERTAINLY DISCUSSION.

AND, AND AS PART OF THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY WANT TO, YOU MAY MISS SOMETHING THAT ANOTHER ONE PICKED UP ABOUT A COMPANY, AND THEN THAT CHANGES THE DYNAMIC AND, OH, WOW.

IF I WOULD'VE SAW THAT I WOULD HAVE RANKED THEM DIFFERENTLY, THAT THAT CAN BE ALL PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SIMPLE ENOUGH PROCESS THAT WORKS, THAT WE CAN START MOVING THIS PROCESS FORWARD.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

THAT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR ALL OF US UNDERSTAND.

AND I THINK JUST A ONE THROUGH FIVE SCENARIO WOULD BE, IF THERE'S FIVE COMPANIES, YOU RANK THEM ONE THROUGH FIVE, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT IT.

I THINK THIS FORM OR ANYTHING TONY WOULD SEND OUT TO US IS JUST AN AID FOR US TO PERSONALLY MAKE EASE OURSELVES IN OUR OWN RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN, WHATEVER METHOD WE CHOOSE TO USE, ULTIMATELY

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IT'S UP TO US.

I MEAN, I MAY USE SOME OF THESE THINGS.

I MAY NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE WAITING PROBABLY THAT WAY, BUT I THINK YOU'RE JUST NARROWING IT DOWN.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS YOU READ THESE, EVERYBODY WOULD COME BACK AND GO, OH MY GOSH, YEAH.

ONE, THIS ONE WAS JUST BY FAR THE BEST, THE MOST, IN-DEPTH THE MOST DETAILED, THE MOST EXPERIENCED.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OTHER ONES THAT MAY BE YOUR OPINION, MAYBE ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE.

KATE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AN AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS THAT WE ALL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW.

IS THIS, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY? OH YEAH, I GOT IT.

I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE COME BACK AND IT COMES BACK ON THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE TIME TO DO IT.

I THINK OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO, SO, SO WE HAVE A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

READ THROUGH ALL FIVE OF THEM AND COME UP WITH YOUR ORDER OF WHO YOU PREFER.

AND THEN WE CAN HAVE, THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT'S THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT THAT STARTS OUR DISCUSSION.

THERE'S TWO WEEKS AT WORK COUNSELING.

THE NEXT WORK SESSION, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY THREE WEEKS BECAUSE YEAH, THIS WAS A LONG DISCUSSION.

AND ANECDOTALLY, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT, UH, MANAGEMENT PARTNERS IN SLAVE AND THE CITY'S HAD A HISTORY WORKING WITH THEM BEFORE, BUT IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME HERE.

SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF FIRST HAND REFERENCE FOR THAT EXPERIENCE OR THE WORK THAT WAS INVOLVED IN WORKING WITH THOSE TWO VENDORS.

ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY IS ACTIVELY RECRUITING FOR RIVERS, MIDDLETOWN SYDNEY.

I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT COULD BE A GOOD THING, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I WANT TO BE IN THE SAME MIX, THE SAME COMPANY RECRUITING FOR ALL DIFFERENT CITIES RIGHT AROUND OR RIGHT HERE IN OUR LOCAL AREA.

I MEAN, AND SOME OF THE PROPOSALS, UH, THEIR PERSONNEL ARE BASED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SOME OF THEM HAVE EITHER OFFICES OR HEADQUARTERED IN OHIO.

SO THAT'S A FACTOR FOR CONSIDERATION.

AWESOME.

TONY, YOU MENTIONED LAUNCH ON A SWIM LINE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAINTAIN, UM, LITTLE STAR RATINGS? IS THERE A YELP FOR, I THINK N I C M A IS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD RESOURCE.

I KNOW, I THINK BRIAN YOU'VE BEEN TO CONFERENCES.

YOU'RE A MEMBER.

UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT POINT, BUT I THINK IT'S A PRETTY REPUTABLE ORGANIZATION AS FAR AS THIS TYPE OF THING.

SO, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I CMA AS AN ICU, A MEMBER IS MA CREDENTIALED MANAGER.

UM, THEY TAKE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT VERY SERIOUSLY FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THERE IS A GREATER DEMAND FOR PROFESSIONAL MANAGERS THAN THERE ARE QUALIFIED MANAGERS.

SO, UM, ANYTIME THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH A FIRM, UM, THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ICM, THEY ARE COGNIZANT OF MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE BASED ON, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF CANDIDATES AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE ORGANIZATION.

SO, UH, TO THAT POINT, I, I CAN'T EXPRESS ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR, UH, ICMI IN, IN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO ENSURE THAT AS PROFESSIONALS WE DEVELOP AND DEVELOP APPROPRIATELY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY TWO.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT LISTED IN THERE, LIKE THEIR AFFILIATION, I DON'T THINK IS LISTED IN THEIR VIEW.

WE WENT INTO THE WEBSITE AND LOOKED, SO WHICH, WHICH ONE OF THE FIRMS COFFIN, COFFIN.

SO SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS A NOVELIST.

I MEAN, YOU'D SAID THAT BEFORE, BUT I JUST, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE PROPOSALS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TONY WENT OUT TO THE WEBSITE AND LOOKED AND USE THEM AS A REFERENCE TO MAYBE ONE OF THEM MENTIONED IT IN THEIR PROPOSAL.

BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I WAS AWARE OF THAT.

NANCY HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT.

I SEE ELSA AND I'VE HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT WITH THEM THROUGH THE CLERK'S ASSOCIATION AS WELL.

GREAT DISCUSSION.

IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UM, WE'LL GET OUT OF HERE.

IT'S 10 O'CLOCK AND THIS IS A JOURNEY.