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          [ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road August 10, 2021 6:00 P.M.    ]
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          I SHOULD CALL A MEETING OF THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER A SECRETARY. 
          WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JEFFREY'S OFF HERE, MS. THOMAS HERE, MS. FARGO HERE, MR. WALTON HERE. 
          I HAVE A NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING AND HEARING NONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          WE'RE SWEARING A WITNESSES. 
          I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN. 
          SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND. 
          I DUE TO THE FOLLOWING OF, DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR FROM A THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED. 
          I ALSO ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHEN IT'S THEIR TURN TO STEP TO THE PODIUM AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET, UH, PROVIDED AND STATE THEIR NAME. 
          OUR FIRST ITEM. 
          UH, OUR FIRST PENDING BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE APPLICANT S M S D HOLDINGS LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 15.86 ACRES AT THE BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD AND BRENTWOOD DRIVE INTERSECTION AC 20 DASH OH EIGHT. 
          MR . 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          SO THE FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR HEATHER MUIR WOODS. 
          UM, THIS IS GOING TO WORK TODAY. 
          UH, HEATHER MIRROR WOODS IS A, JUST UNDER 16 ACRE PARCEL THAT IS LOCATED IN THE OVERALL HEATHER MIRROR. 
          UH, PUD BACK IN 2000, THERE WERE THREE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. 
          YOU HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT, WHICH HAS BEEN BUILT OUT ALONG HEATHER WAY, AND THEN THE STREETS THAT COME OFF OF THAT. 
          AND THEN THESE FRONT PARCELS THAT, UH, FRONT OUT ONTO BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD HAVE BEEN VACANT EVER SINCE THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR MULTIFAMILY TYPE USES. 
          AND, UH, BACK IN, UH, 2020, UH, THEY CAME THROUGH WITH A, UH, A MAJOR CHANGE APPLICATION TO ALLOW FOR WHAT YOU SEE TODAY IS FOR, UH, UH, MULTIUNIT BUILDINGS, UH, AS, UH, ALONG A STREET NETWORK ON THIS PARCEL. 
          SO THESE ARE FOR SALE UNITS. 
          UH, THESE ARE NOT APARTMENTS, UH, UM, BUT THEY ARE ATTACHED PRODUCT. 
          UH, THIS DID GO THROUGH THE, AS I SAID, THE, THE MAJOR CHANGE PROCESS AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, DID GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND WAS APPROVED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND THROUGH, UH, AN ORDINANCE. 
          SO THIS IS THE NEXT STEP THAT, UH, CAME THROUGH AS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UM, AS YOU SEE, IT'S A STREET NETWORK THAT COMES OFF OF PRINT WOULD, UM, THERE IS NO STREET ACCESS OUT TO BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY DOES, UH, ALSO, UH, TOUCH DOWN ON KITTRIDGE AND THERE IS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT COMES OFF THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT DOES GO OUT TO KITTREDGE WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING SANITARY LIFT STATION AND DOWN TO THAT AREA. 
          SO THAT SATISFIES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S COMMENT ABOUT HAVING SECONDARY ACCESS. 
          SO THAT IS A WIDE ENOUGH FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND WILL BE BUILT TO SPECIFICATIONS AS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS, UH, THERE, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 120 UNITS. 
          UH, THIS IS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS, UH, CAME THROUGH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS. 
          THERE IS PUBLIC WATER STORM AND SANITARY SEWER THAT, UH, CONNECTED, UM, WITH THIS, THROUGH THE EXISTING CITY FACILITIES, THERE IS ALREADY A FOR EXAMPLE, THE SANITARY SEWER THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S ALREADY A STORM DRAINAGE THAT COMES FROM THE, UH, THE EAST ONTO THIS PROPERTY INTO EXISTING DETENTION BASINS. 
          THEY ARE MODIFYING THE EXISTING DETENTION BASIN AND HAVING TWO PONDS TO HANDLE THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE. 
          SO THIS HANDLES, UH, THE DRAINAGE THAT COMES FROM THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE EAST ONTO THIS PROPERTY AND HANDLES THE IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          ONE OF THE, UH, THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THERE IS A LONG BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD KIND OF ALMOST PARALLEL TO BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          THERE'S EXISTING GAS LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THERE. 
          SO THERE'S EXISTING EASEMENTS IN PLACE THAT, UH, SO THERE'S A NO DISTURB AREA. 
          UM, THAT'S GOES ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          SO YOU SEE THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE BACK OFF THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT, UH, DUE TO THAT, UM, YOU DO SEE A, ON THIS DRAWING UP ON THE SCREEN, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, SO THEY ARE ADDING A LANDSCAPED BUFFER ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE, UH, UH, REGIONAL MEETING ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM BELL 
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FOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          SO THIS DOES INCLUDE THAT BUFFER ALSO, UH, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE, WHERE THERE IS THE EXISTING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THERE IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER THAT, UH, WAS APPROVED THROUGH THE ORDINANCE ORDINANCE. 
          AND IT SHOWS HERE THAT THAT'S NOT BEING DISTURBED, UM, EXCEPT FOR WHERE THERE IS UTILITY CROSSINGS. 
          UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE IS WHERE THERE IS A STORMWATER UTILITY CROSSING THERE. 
          THEY'RE ADDING SOME LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA TO TRY TO FILL SOME OF THOSE GAPS, AS WELL AS IT COMES THROUGH. 
          UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT FRONT OUT ON BRENTWOOD DRIVE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE ORDINANCE IN 2020 IS, UH, BRENTWOOD WILL BE SIGNED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. 
          SO AS PART OF THAT, UH, THEY CALL OUT, UH, THAT, UM, THE, THE MAILBOX KIOSKS, UH, THAT, UH, IS MORE CENTRALIZED, UM, UM, RIGHT ON THE, WE'LL SAY THE STUB CALLED A SACK AND, UH, AN OPEN SPACE THERE. 
          UM, AND THERE IS PARKING, UM, THAT COMES OFF OF THE, UH, STREETS ITSELF, THE POLE AND PARKING IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE PARKING SPACES MEET THE CITY STANDARDS, UM, AND THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING IN THERE THAT, UH, HANDLE, UH, WE'LL SAY OVERFLOW FROM ANY OF THE, THE UNITS THEMSELVES, THE UNITS, UH, RANGE FROM A TWO TO FIVE OR A TWO TO FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS. 
          THERE'S 28, 3 UNIT BUILDINGS, EIGHT, FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS, AND TWO, TWO UNIT BUILDINGS. 
          THEY ARE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 20 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE. 
          UM, AND, UH, THEY, AS YOU SEE, THEY, UH, ARE GO ALL AROUND THE STREET NETWORK, UH, THROUGH THERE, UM, THE BUILDING MATERIALS TO BE A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT STYLES OF VINYL SIDING WITH MASONRY ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT FACADES, I WILL S THE HEAD TO, OKAY, SO HERE IS THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE, UH, THERE'S, UH, SO DIFFERENT STYLES OF THE VINYL, AND THEN ALONG THE LOWER AREA IS THE MASONRY. 
          I WILL REQUEST THAT, UH, FROM, UH, UH, ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT, UH, MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE DECISION RECORD THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A NUMBER FIVE THAT, UH, MASONRY ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS SHALL BE BRICK OR STONE ONLY SO THAT NO OTHER TYPE OF, UH, MASONRY PRODUCT WOULD BE USED HERE THAT IT'S JUST BRICK OR STONE. 
          SO I REQUEST THAT THAT'S ADDED TO THE DECISION RECORD, UM, LIGHTING, UH, FOR THIS, THEY WILL UTILIZE THE PEDESTAL LIGHTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S IN THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, AREA THAT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, RATHER THAN THE LARGE OVERHEAD, UH, STREETLIGHTS, UM, SEE IF THERE IS, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE COMPLEX COMBINATION OF EVERGREEN SHADE AND ORNAMENTAL TREES, AND, UH, THAT THEY ARE LEAVING THE SEVERAL, UH, PRESERVATION ZONES AND ADDING TO THEM AS WELL TO GET TO THAT 20 FEET, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF JEFFERIES ON THE PRESERVATION'S ON SCOTT? ARE THEY MARKED CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN HERE ANYWHERE? AND SHOULD WE REFERENCE THE SIZE? BECAUSE I KNOW IT SAYS THERE ARE SEVERAL PRESERVATION ZONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED ALONG THE PERIMETER, BUT IT SHOULDN'T, WE FOR THE RECORD ADD THE DEPTH OF THAT, AND THEN IS ALSO 20 FEET. 
          WHAT WE LANDED ON. 
          I REMEMBER WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION AROUND GETTING A BUFFER WAS 20 FEET. 
          WHAT WE LANDED ON AT THE LAST ONE 20 FEET IS WHAT IT WAS APPROVED IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO IT IS CALLED OUT ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE EXISTING BUFFER THERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS, UH, IT'S BEEN CALLED OUT ON THE PLANT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT IS CALLED OUT AND IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IS IT IN THE ORDINANCES AT THE 20 FOOT PER JUST CAUSE THAT WAS A BIG THING WITH THE RESIDENTS. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUESTION ABOUT ARE WE COVERED NOW, THE ORDINANCE STATES, THE PRESERVATION ZONE ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE SHALL BE 20 FEET WHERE THERE ARE NOT UTILITY CROSSINGS. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SPARGO JUST ONE QUICK ONE, YOU MENTIONED A UTILITY EASEMENT ON THE EASTERN SIDE, AND I'M TRYING TO IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS. 
          IS IT OKAY BY THAT TIME? SO THE BLUE POND AREA, IF YOU SEE WHAT KIND OF, THAT LIGHT GREEN, THE CIRCLE LIGHT GREEN CIRCLES, 
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THERE ARE SOME NEW PLANTINGS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO FILL IN THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING STORM COMES THROUGH. 
          THAT THERE IS AN EASEMENT THAT THERE'S A, NOT A PRESERVATION ZONE, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO ADD LANDSCAPING IN THERE TO CREATE MORE OF A BUFFER ALONG WHERE THAT STORM SEWER COMES THROUGH. 
          AND WHAT IS THE ACCESS TO THAT PARTICULAR EASEMENT? UM, IT COMES RIGHT NOW, IT COMES OFF OF HEATHER WAY. 
          UH, BUT THAT'LL CONNECT IN THAT STORM DRAINAGE. 
          UH, WE'LL GO INTO THAT POND AND BE CONNECTED INTO THAT SYSTEM. 
          THANK YOU, MR. JEFFRIES ON THE NO PARKING ON BRENTWOOD. 
          I THINK IT WAS IT RIGHT. 
          COULD WE REQUIRE SOMEHOW TO HAVE THAT INDICATED EARLY IN THE PROCESS SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T MOVE IN AND THEN GET NO PARKING SIGNS PUT OUT FRONT AFTER THE FACT? YES. 
          THOSE COULD BE PUT IN AS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          BEFORE THEY START SELLING THE LOT, LIKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, WHICH OPENED UP TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, MY NAME IS STEVE LYLE. 
          I WORKED FOR THE RANKIE GROUP AND SCOTT DORSON IS HERE AS A DEVELOPER AND WE'RE THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, SCOTT SLATED OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, ORIGINALLY THE BUFFER ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE WAS PARTIALLY 20 FEET. 
          AND AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS, LAST TIME WE MADE THE ENTIRETY 20 FEET. 
          UH, AND, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUFFERING. 
          SO WE SPENT, UH, WE HIRED A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO, UH, IS PROPOSING A BUFFER THAT WILL ADD MATURITY, BE 40 TO 60 FEET TALL. 
          THE SPREAD OF MOST OF THESE TREES WILL BE BETWEEN 20 AND 40 FEET WIDE AT THE BOTTOM. 
          SO THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND, UM, HE PICKED THE TYPE OF ARBORVITAE THAT'S TALL AND SPREADS TO NOT JUST THE SKINNY ONE. 
          SO WE, UH, MADE SURE WE, WE COMMUNICATED WITH HIM THAT THIS BUFFER IS VERY IMPORTANT ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          UM, AND I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          I DO. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM UM, LANDSCAPING, UH, BUFFER. 
          YOU SAID THAT AT MATURITY, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED MATURITY? THE TIMEWISE? WELL, I THINK IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE TREE SPECIES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY 10 TO 15 YEARS BEFORE IT'S FULLY GROWN, BUT THE ARBORVITAE GROW FAST. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE WILL GO UP QUICKER. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER ONES TAKE A LITTLE LONGER, I PUT CARE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'LL GROW BETTER IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF AS OPPOSED TO JUST PUTTING THEM OUT THERE AND FORGETTING THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'LL BE A PART OF THE HOA, A MAINTENANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY FALL ON INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN, THERE'LL BE IN AN EASEMENT. 
          I, WELL, ACTUALLY, THE WAY THIS PRODUCT WORKS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT THAT JUST GOES AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PRODUCT. 
          AND SO THE LOT WILL BE FAIRLY SMALL AND THEN THE REST OF THE AREA WILL BE OPEN SPACE. 
          IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE ASSOCIATION. 
          SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE BUILDING, I THINK THEY'RE LIKE 20, SOME FEET WIDE AND 40 FEET DEEP. 
          AND THEN THE LOT WILL JUST GO, JUST PASS THAT AND EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THAT LOT. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN A OWNER COMES IN, HE WILL BUY A LOT IN A UNIT. 
          AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, PROPERTY LINE WILL BE HOA MAINTAINED. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SIZE BLOCKS THAT THEY, EACH OWNER WILL HAVE? UM, I, WE HAVEN'T CALCULATED THOSE YET BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, UH, NOT A CONDO BECAUSE YOU'RE SELLING A LOT WITH THEM, BUT IT'S KIND OF A CONDO CONCEPT. 
          IT'S LIKE A LAND DOMINIUM OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A LOT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, IT WILL BE A TRANSFERABLE LOT, BUT THEY JUST ARE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE NOT, NOT VERY BIG AS FAR AS THE AREA OF THE TRANSFERRED PROPERTY WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER BIAS THE UNIT. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME, WHO IS THE BUILDER? RYAN HOLMES IS GOING TO BE THE BUILDER RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S CONTRACT WITH THEM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD BE, WE'RE STILL GO WITH RYAN, SO 
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I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING. 
          SO RYAN HOMES WILL BE THE BUILDER. 
          WELL, YES. 
          I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH THE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW TO BUILD THE HOMES. 
          UM, BUT I SUPPOSE IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IF FOR SOME REASON THEIR CONTRACT DIDN'T WORK OUT. 
          UH, SCOTT COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT BUILDER BUILD THE SAME SPECIFICATIONS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE ONE BUILDER WE FAILED TO HAVE ALL THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL. 
          YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE RYAN, UM, ELEVATIONS FOR THEIR UNITS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME THE, UM, UM, PRICE OF THE HOMES FROM HIGH TO LOW OR APPROXIMATE? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, THE FOLKS FROM RYAN DIDN'T COME TONIGHT, I WANT TO SAY THAT THEY WERE MID TWO HUNDREDS OR 200 AND UP TO 300, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SINCE WE CAME IN 2000, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE PRICE IS? YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES, MA'AM PLEASE STEP TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS AND NOT THE BUILDER OR ITS ASSOCIATION. 
          MY NAME IS TRACY DUDLEY. 
          I LIVE AT 52 42 BRENTWOOD COURT WITHIN THE HEATHER AMIR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, SO I HOPE THERE'S NO TIMELINE LIMIT ON, ON QUESTIONS. 
          AND IF THERE ARE PLEASE ADVISE AND I'LL I'LL, UM, ADJUST MY QUESTIONS ACCORDINGLY. 
          MY FIRST QUESTION IS FOR THIS COMMITTEE, AND AS I WAS DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS SESSION, I SEEM TO NOT RECALL A MEETING SINCE JANUARY, 2020 ON THIS MATTER, MAYBE MY DUE DILIGENCE FELL SHORT OF ANY OTHER PUBLIC RECORDS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, OR IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THIS, THIS TOPIC OR SUBJECT OR AGENDA HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SINCE JANUARY, 2020? THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT IT'S WAY THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ORDINANCE, UM, FEBRUARY AROUND, UH, JANUARY 13TH, 2020. 
          SO IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE THIS MATTER HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECONDLY, UM, DURING THAT JANUARY MEETING IN 2020, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER AND WE'VE ALL TAKEN OATH. 
          SO, UM, I'M SURE WE'RE ALL TRUTH TO POWER THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS MENTIONED. 
          AND THROUGH THE RECORD SEARCH THAT I FOUND, I COULDN'T FIND THAT ANY OF THESE CONCERNS HAD BEEN ADDRESSED OR RESOLVED. 
          AND JUST A HANDFUL OF THOSE WERE INCLUDED THINGS SUCH AS DOCUMENTATION OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED AS THERE WAS A REQUEST TO SEE WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, UM, DOCUMENTATION. 
          UM, THERE WAS QUESTION AROUND LANDSCAPING BY THE DEVELOPER. 
          AND TODAY WE HEARD THAT THERE'D BE SOME BUFFERING LANDSCAPING, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF, WHAT THAT ENTAILS, INCLUDING NOW, AS THAT RELATES TO THE PRESERVATION ZONE. 
          I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THE HOMES THAT LIVE IN A PRESERVATION ZONE WITHIN HEATHER MAYER, AND I'VE SEEN HALF WORK DONE BY RESIDENTS AND OTHER ENTITIES, INCLUDING WHAT'S BEING DONE RIGHT NOW IN THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          SO I'M VERY CURIOUS THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY INTEND ON DOING ABOUT IT. 
          I'M ALSO CURIOUS AND CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, PROPERTY VALUES, JAN VARGO S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
          AND SHE ASKED THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE, UM, BUILT AS WE UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT APARTMENTS, BUT TOWN-HOMES OF A SORT, AND THE VALUE IS AROUND MID 200 TO 300. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE AN ESTIMATE. 
          AND TO DAN'S POINT, MAYBE THAT'S A FAIR ESTIMATE, BUT I LIKE TO SEE IT AS A, IN ITS EXACTNESS. 
          AND I ALSO NOTICED FROM THE JANUARY, 2020 COMMENTARY THAT THERE OR TRANSCRIPT, RATHER THAT THERE WAS, UM, INPUT THAT THERE WERE LIKE PROPERTIES IN CENTERVILLE AND SPRING BURL. 
          I WOULD ASK THE COMMITTEE IF THAT HAD BEEN RESEARCHED. 
          AND IF YOU VALIDATED THAT AND YOU FIND IT JUST, AND IF THOSE HAPPEN TO RUN AT A 200 TO 300,000 RANGE, UNDERSTANDING THOSE PROPERTY VALUES IN THOSE TOWNSHIPS OR CITIES MAY BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          I HEARD A HUGE MATTER OF CONCERN AROUND SAFETY SAFETY FOR CHILDREN, SAFETY AROUND TRAFFIC SAFETY AROUND CUT-THROUGH PRESENTLY, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, BUT THEN THEY HAVE THE MIRROR COMMUNITY THERE'S SIGNAGE UP REQUESTING THAT 
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THIS IS NOT A THROUGH THROUGH ROAD. 
          YOU SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING THROUGH THIS ROAD. 
          IF YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, THEY'RE SIGNING. 
          AND THEY INTEREST ON HEATHER MERE ROAD AND THEY'RE SIGNING ON THE BACK END WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOOKING TO BE PLACED. 
          SHOULD THOSE SIGNAGE BE TAKEN DOWN WHILE WE'RE ASKING FOR NO PARKING OR WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT SIGNAGE OR THAT ASK THAT WAS PUT UP OVER 10 YEARS AGO? AND I KNOW IT WAS PUT UP BECAUSE I WAS PART OF COUNCIL WHEN THOSE SIGNS GOT PUT UP, WE TALK ABOUT ACCESS. 
          BELL FOUNTAIN IS A VERY BUSY ROAD, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WERE ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS A SAFE GATEWAY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE. 
          BUT I'D BE SO CURIOUS FROM THIS COMMITTEE, IF IN FACT THAT THAT STUDY WAS DONE. 
          AND IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO SHARE IT WITH NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY WITHIN HEATHER MAYOR, BUT THOSE AROUND THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS WHO ACCESS THAT THERE ARE FOUR THOROUGHFARE PRETTY REGULARLY. 
          AND THEN I'D ASK A QUESTION FOR YOU ALL REGARDING WHAT WAS JUST MENTIONED ABOUT CON CONDO CONCEPT, MEANING IT'S NOT REALLY A CONDO, BUT KIND OF IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          I KNOW WHAT A HOUSE LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE I BUILT ONE IN HEATHER MEIR AND I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF IT. 
          AND I'VE LIVED THERE NEARLY 20 YEARS. 
          I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST HOMES WHO CAME THERE AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM THAT SUPPORT IT AND MAINTAIN IT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT A CONDO CONCEPT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. 
          AND MAYBE YOU ALL DO, AND YOU'RE WILLING TO SIGN OFF ON THAT AS YOU PASS SOME OTHER REVIEWS THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT I WAS SURE HOPE YOU WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND THEN FINALLY I'D ASK IN FULL TRANSPARENCY. 
          UM, THERE WAS A MENTION OF LIGHTING THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND THE LIGHTING WAS DESCRIBED AS OUTSIDE OF THE HOME, AS I, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT OR HEARD IT. 
          AND HEATHER MARRIED, THERE WERE NO STREETLIGHTS AND THE HEATHER AMERICA COMMUNITY, NOT ONE SINGLE STREET LIGHT EXIST. 
          SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ANNOUNCE SUDDENLY PUT SOME UP, I'M EXCITED FOR IT, BUT I'D QUESTIONED IT BECAUSE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          SO I SURE HOPE THAT THERE'S A PLAN AROUND THAT AND THAT YOU'RE WILLING AND FULL TRANSPARENCY TO SHARE WITH TAXPAYERS AND THE, AND THOSE AROUND THAT AREA, WHAT THAT LIGHTING LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT IT WILL FEEL LIKE AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WAITED 20 YEARS TO RECEIVE THAT. 
          AND I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN JUST BEFORE ME SPEAK ABOUT RYAN HOLMES AND THAT'S, WHO'S PLANNED FOR IT. 
          AND THE, MY ASK, AND IT IS A PLEA ACTUALLY THAT IF THAT BUILDER DOESN'T END UP BEING RYAN, AS WE'VE SEEN SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES CHANGE GUARDS, THAT YOU WOULD HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS LIKE THIS, AND YOU WOULD ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT FOR WHAT THAT NEW BUILDER MIGHT BE WHEN IT, WHEN, OR IF RYAN DOES NOT FULFILL THE HUNDRED AND 20 PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO. 
          AND I'M SURE YOU WILL THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WILL TRY TO, I THINK I WROTE DOWN ALL THE QUESTIONS, SO  OKAY. 
          UM, SO THIS IS, UH, FOR ONE, THIS IS AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE. 
          SO CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WHAT'S THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE TYPES OF UNITS, THE, UH, THE BASIC LAYOUT, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, THE, THE TIP IN A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WE DON'T APPROVE HOME PRICES, UH, SO THAT THERE'S NO LOCKED IN THAT EACH UNIT HAS TO SELL FOR X DOLLARS. 
          UM, THEY ARE MARKET RATE. 
          UH, SO WHAT THE MARKET BEARS IS WHAT THEY WILL SELL FOR, UM, AS THEY MENTIONED, WHAT'S, THE MARKET IS TYPICAL AND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CANNOT LOCK IN THAT THEY HAVE TO SELL FOR A MINIMUM OF X DOLLARS. 
          UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SIMILAR PROPERTIES, THAT WAS A DISCUSSION AT THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT WAS LOOKED AT BY CITY COUNCIL AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT, UH, THERE WERE, UH, BROUGHT UP AT THE SCREEN ON THE SCREEN DURING THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THAT POINT IN TIME, SOME OF THE SIMILAR PRODUCTS, UM, BUT, UH, THE, WHAT THOSE PRICES ARE, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT, UM, EXISTING SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT, UH, THIS, UH, IS NOT PLANNING TO REMOVE SIGNAGE FROM THE HEATHER MAYOR SUBDIVISION, THE SIGNAGE FOR NO PARKING IS IN ADDITION TO ANY SIGNAGE THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          UH, SO, 
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UH, THINGS LIKE CHILDREN AT PLAY OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IT'S NOT TO BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHETHER THERE IS A, UH, A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY, THERE WAS NOT A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY DONE FOR BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, IS LESS DENSE THAN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL ON THIS WAS FOR, UH, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS. 
          AND THERE WERE MORE THAN THE 120 UNITS AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          UH, WITH THAT APPROVAL BACK IN 2000, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT, UM, HOW THE HOUSE STRUCTURE WORKS. 
          I CAN TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT WHEN SOMEBODY IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THIS HOUSE, THEY ARE PURCHASING THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING STRUCTURE. 
          THEY'RE NOT PURCHASING A LOT. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, THE CONDUCT LIKE DISCUSSION WAS YOU PURCHASE THE BUILDING AND THEN THE GRASS AROUND YOUR BUILDING IS OWNED AS COMMON SPACE OWNED BY THE HOA. 
          SO IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. 
          SO WHEN YOU PURCHASE IT, YOU ARE PURCHASING THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. 
          THESE ARE ATTACHED PRODUCTS. 
          SO IT'S A TWO, THREE OR FOUR UNIT BUILDING. 
          SO THE OVERALL BUILDING SAY THE FOUR UNIT BUILDING, THEY WILL HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT OWNERS IN THAT BUILDING. 
          THEY WILL OWN THERAPIES OF THAT BUILDING. 
          SO THEY HAVE FULL OWNERSHIP, RIGHTS OF THAT PORTION OF IT, THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO, UH, THE GREEN SPACE AROUND THE PONDS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT'S OWNED BY THE HOA. 
          AND EVERYBODY WILL PUT IN THE, UH, UM, INTO THE POT TO, UM, MAINTAIN THOSE AREAS, THE LIGHTING, UM, AS YOU DO GO UP HEATHER WAY IN FRONT IN THE FRONT YARDS, YOU HAVE THOSE PEDESTAL LIGHTS, UH, THAT'S THE TYPE OF LIGHTS, NOT A, THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED, NOT A STREET LIGHT, NOT THE TALL ONES. 
          LIKE YOU'LL SEE OUT HERE, BUT THE INDIVIDUAL DECORATIVE LIGHTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES, UH, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG HEATHER WAY, UM, THAT'S THE TYPE OF LIGHTING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, THROUGH THAT AREA. 
          UM, THE BUILDER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT APPROVING THE BUILDER, THEY'RE APPROVING THE PLAN AND THE BUILDING STRUCTURE. 
          SO RYAN HOLMES IS THE PROPOSED BUILDER, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT APPROVING THAT IT HAS TO BE RYAN HOMES, UH, SO THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF A DECISION RECORD OR PART OF THE ORDINANCE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, THIS SETS UP THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THIS IS THE LAYOUT THAT IS BEING APPROVED. 
          IF IN THE FUTURE, THEY WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING LIKE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING STYLE, THE STREET NETWORK, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TYPE DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO, UM, THIS PLAN IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          UM, THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDER IS NOT PART OF THAT APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, THE HOA DOCS HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          AND THEN I'LL APOLOGIZE. 
          THERE WAS A SECOND QUESTION THAT I THINK I MISSED, UH, LANDSCAPING, IF IT'S OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'LL RUN THROUGH MY BULLET LIST FOR THE GOOD OF THE GOOD OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          GOD. 
          UM, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED WERE DOCUMENTATION OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT IS NOT BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU. 
          SO THAT'S STILL IN WAIT FOR, FOR THAT TO BE SHARED, IS THAT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT FOR PUBLIC, A PUBLIC RECORD DOCUMENT FOR ALL, TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND SEE, AND ONCE IT IS IN FACT IN PLACE, IS IT DEPENDENT ON A PERCENTAGE OF HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTIES BEFORE IT'S AN EFFECT, MEANING DO THEY HAVE TO REACH A CAPACITY OF I'M MAKING THIS UP 75% BEFORE IT WILL ACTUALLY BE IN PLAY WHERE THEY, THEY, 10% MAY BE PROVIDED FUNDS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT NOT UNTIL THEY GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO FULFILL THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES? SO THE, THE HOA DOCUMENTS GET RECORDED WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY. 
          UM, SAME AS THE FINAL PLAT GETS RECORDED AND IT GETS REFERENCED IN THAT. 
          SO PART OF THAT PROCESS, UM, IT COMES INTO PLAY FROM DAY ONE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SITE ITSELF. 
          SO AS SOON AS THERE IS ONE OCCUPANT IT'S IN PLACE, THANK YOU REGARDING LIGHTING. 
          I THINK I BELIEVE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          UM, IT, IT SOUNDED AS IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT OR ADEQUATE LIGHTING, UM, LAMPPOST LIGHTING OR LIGHTING ATTACHED TO HOME ISN'T SIGNIFICANT AND A DARK WOOD WOODED AREA OR A SPACE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU DID. 
          UM, I, I, THERE WAS, I WASN'T MEANING ATTACHED 
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TO THE CAUSE THEY STILL WILL HAVE THOSE. 
          TH THE HOLDEN, HEATHER MAYOR HAVE A POLE AND THEY ALSO HAVE LIGHTS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          PROBABLY STILL NOT SIGNIFICANT LIGHTING, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE'S, WE'RE IN WOODED OR PRESERVATION SPACE. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION. 
          AND YOU DID THANK YOU FOR THAT, UM, LANDSCAPING BY THE DEVELOPER. 
          I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE ATTACK THAT ONE IN ITS COMPLETENESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THERE WAS A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, IN THE PACKET THAT, UH, IS AVAILABLE, THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT IT, THAT CALLS OUT WHERE, AND THE TYPE OF TREES, BUSHES, UH, UH, PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND, UM, AT THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, SOME TYPICAL, UH, WHO CALLED TYPICAL SECTIONS. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF THINGS THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE POCKET WITHIN THAT PACKET, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING. 
          UM, I THINK I HEARD A COMMENT THAT IT WOULD BE A 10, 15 OR SO YEAR DEVELOPMENT FOR, FOR THAT TO MANIFEST. 
          AND TWO QUESTIONS ALONG THAT THAT'S A LONG TIME, BY THE WAY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY WHERE WE'VE PURCHASED MATURE TREES, I E THE AQUATIC CENTER, AND WE'VE HAD MOUNDS BUILD, AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO BEAUTIFY THE AREA. 
          BUT ALONG WITH THAT PACKAGE THAT YOU RECEIVED OR THE CITY RECEIVED, DID IT ALSO INCLUDE WHAT THAT BUDGET LOOKED LIKE AND IS THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION, THE, UM, THE BUDGET, NO, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THE BUDGET FOR THE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED AT A NEXT STEP, THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT UP A BOND FOR THE LANDSCAPING. 
          AND PART OF THAT IS ABOUT A THREE-YEAR GROWING SEASON. 
          SO IF ANYTHING DIES WITHIN THAT POINT IN TIME, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REPLACE. 
          IF THEY DON'T, WE HAVE THE BOND, WE CAN GO AND REPLACE IT. 
          THE, WHAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE 10 TO 15 YEARS IS WHAT A FULL GROWTH TIMEFRAME OF DIFFERENT STYLES OF TREES. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S TYPICAL FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          WE'RE JUST WONDERING MY, SHOULDN'T SAY WE, MY QUESTION WAS MORE, ARE WE PUTTING SEEDLINGS OUT OR ARE WE ACTUALLY PUTTING MATURE TREES OUT MUCH? LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING DESTROYED AS THEY BUILD AND DESIGN AND DEVELOP MUCH LIKE DREES DID, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS DREAM CAME INTO HEATHER MAYER AND THEY DESTROYED HER TOUR PROPERTY UP, THEY ACTUALLY REPLACED WITH LIKE, LIKE THIS, OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS TORN DOWN. 
          THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION AROUND THAT SAY CALIPER OF TREE THAT IS IN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT THEY'RE NOT SAPLINGS. 
          UH, I'M SORRY. 
          OR SEEDLINGS SO THEY ARE, UM, YOU NOT FULLY MATURE, BUT, UH, YEAH. 
          SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, THE SAFETY QUESTION, I THINK YOU ANSWERED TO SOME DEGREE, MEANING THAT THE EXISTING SIGNS WOULDN'T COME UP. 
          I THINK IT MAKES IT HARD TO SAY NO THOROUGHFARE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT SIGNAGE FOR THE NEW PROPERTIES ARE COMING IN AND WHERE THAT SIGN EXACTLY EXISTS. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE CORNER CURRENTLY. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE AWKWARD AND PROBABLY REQUIRE SOME DEFINITION AND SOME, SOME AGREED UPON DEFINITION. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE TERM. 
          I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. 
          LET'S SAY THERE'S A SIGN WHERE A NEW DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO GO. 
          THAT SIGN WILL BE RELOCATED TO AN APPROPRIATE SPOT ALONG THE STREET, NOT JUST FOR MOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I ASSUME THE SAME WAY THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T A SPEED LIMIT SIGN, BUT I'M ASSUMING MAYBE THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO COME INTO PLAY AROUND THIS. 
          PARTICULARLY AS THE LAST SESSION, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT CHILDREN AND SAFETY. 
          THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THAT AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, THAT SIGNAGE DOES NOT EXIST AS ASSUME PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          WHEN THERE ARE LAWS AROUND HOW FAST YOU SHOULD BE DRIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          YES, THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS CAN BE ADDED AT THE ENTRANCES TO ON, ON BOTH HEATHER WAY AND BRENTWOOD. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY OUT THERE, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY? AND THIS IS AN ADDED QUESTION FOR, SO FORGIVE ME FOR ADDING THIS ON, UM, OR TAGGING IT ON. 
          THERE WAS MENTION OF ONE ACCESS AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH HEATHER WAY, BUT THERE ARE A HUNDRED AND I MAY HAVE MISHEARD. 
          SO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I DID, BUT ONE ENTRANCEWAY TO A PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE FOR 120 HOMES. 
          YES. 
          SO THERE IS, UH, ONE PUBLIC ACCESS POINT OFF OF BRENTWOOD. 
          UM, SO THERE'S NO CONNECTION TO HEATHER WAY AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS AT THE SOUTHERN POINT THAT GOES OUT TO KITTREDGE. 
          COULD YOU POINT THAT OUT FOR US ON THE MAP IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, I WILL HAVE TO WALK UP THERE AND SAY, NO WORRIES. 
          I'LL MOVE OVER IF YOU NEED ME TO OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          JAMES RIDGE IS DOWN HERE AT BRENTWOOD HERE. 
          THE MAIN POINT THAT COMES IN HERE, IT'S NICOLE SET OTHER STREET. 
          THE EMERGENCY ACCESS IS RIGHT HERE THAT COMES OUT. 
          THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING DRIVEWAY HERE 
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THAT THIS WILL BE IMPROVED TO A LARGER SCALE, AND WE'LL FIND THE TRUCKS AND THE LARGER VEHICLES. 
          THIS IS PART OF THIS ANSWER, AND IT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT. 
          THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A CUTAWAY OR, UH, UH, UH, AN ENTRANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CREATED OR DESIGNED THAT EXISTS TODAY. 
          THERE EXISTS. 
          IT'LL JUST BE IMPROVED FROM WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT WOULD, WOULD THAT BE ASSESSABLE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC OR IN YOUR INSTANCE, JUST FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. 
          OKAY. 
          INTO THIS WHOLE SACK RIGHT HERE IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT CUL-DE-SAC, THAT IS? OH, A PROPOSAL IT'S DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. 
          NO CONNECTIONS TO ANY OF THE SYSTEM STRAIGHT AWAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT, BY THE WAY. 
          THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, SCOTT, BUT AS YOU'RE WALKING BACK, I THINK, I BELIEVE YOU ANSWERED THE CONDO CONCEPT. 
          I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY STILL LEARNING ON THAT. 
          I HEAR YOU, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, I BELIEVE A LOT OF US UNDERSTAND WHAT A CONDO IS AND, AND THE CONCEPT AROUND A CONDO. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN ON, ON, ON HOW ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE MAINTAINED, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT DOESN'T, THAT CONCEPT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          AND HEATHER MAYOR TODAY. 
          SO SEEING THAT IN ACTION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AS, AS THE PROCESS GOES ALONG. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU. 
          IF I CAN GO STEP FURTHER ON THAT, THERE'LL BE THE SAME CITY RULES ON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE GRASS HASN'T BEEN MOWED AND IT GETS UP TO EIGHT INCHES, THE CITY WILL PUT THE PROPERTY UNDER VIOLATION, AND IF THEY DON'T CUT IT WITHIN FIVE DAYS, WE CUT IT AND ASSESS IT TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, IN YOUR, IN YOUR BRIEFING, YOU POINTED OUT A FEW THINGS, IF I MIGHT JUST ADD, UM, ADD TO WHAT YOU LAYERED ON. 
          YOU SAID, THIS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND WELL, I'LL PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND. 
          WAS THAT THE FINAL APPROVAL OR APPROVAL FOR PARTICULAR STAGE? OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2020 JANUARY. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT. 
          AND JUST FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S EDIFICATION, THERE'S BASIC, THERE'S A BASIC PLAN. 
          THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          AND IS THERE A FINAL APPROVAL THAT WOULD FOLLOW AFTER THAT? THIS IS THE FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE, TO BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION. 
          THERE IS A FINAL PLAT THAT COMES IN THAT RECORDS THE STREETS THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THOSE LOTS, UM, THAT COMES NEXT AFTER THIS. 
          SO WITH THIS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UM, WHAT THEIR NEXT STEP IS TO SUBMIT FOR GRADING PERMITS AND CONSTRUCTION PERMITS, THEN THERE'LL BE ABLE TO START THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SEWER PIPING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          FIRST, UM, THE FIRST THING IS THEY'LL PUT IN EROSION CONTROL, UH, SO THAT ANYTIME WHEN THEY START MOVING DIRT, THAT THEY ARE PROTECTING THE, UH, DIFFERENT DRAINAGE PATTERNS. 
          THAT'S, THERE'S NO SEDIMENT THAT GETS DOWN INTO THE DITCH LINES OR OVER ONTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO THEY PUT IN THE EROSION CONTROL, THEN THEY'LL START, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO CLEAR, UH, CONTINUE CLEARING BECAUSE IT'S A HEAVILY WOODED SITES THEY'LL PUT IN, DIG OUT MORE OF THOSE RETENTION PONDS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO GO. 
          THAT'S IN THE FIRST STEPS. 
          UM, AND THEN PUTTING IN THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, THEN THE STREETS THEN AFTER THEY RECORD THE PLAT, THEY CAN START BUILDING THE BUILDINGS. 
          AND WHAT WE HAVE PERMISSION FOR THROUGH THE BASIC PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED, DID ALLOW FOR THE EFFORTS THAT ARE IN FLIGHT RIGHT NOW, EVEN JUST DRIVING HERE. 
          I NOTICED THE RUBBLE, UM, ON, ON, UM, ON THE ROAD AS LIKE EVEN JUST COMING TO THIS MEETING WHERE, UM, EQUIPMENT IS COMING THROUGH AND KNOCKING DOWN TREES AND DESTROYING THAT AREA, WHICH AGAIN, I DO BELIEVE AS A PRESERVATION, BUT I, AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S ZONE, SO I'VE, I MAY BE OFF ON MY MARK JUST A BIT, BUT THAT WAS A LOUD THROUGH THAT VOTING OF THAT BASIC PLAN AND UNDERSTANDING ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED ABOUT ROSE AND SEWAGE AND ET CETERA. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ANSWERS HERE. 
          UM, THE FIRST PART OF WHETHER THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CUT A TREE DOWN PROPERTY OWNER CAN CUT A TREE DOWN ON HIS PROPERTY IF IT'S NOT IN A PRESERVATION ZONE. 
          SO SOME OF THAT CLEARING COULD HAPPEN WHETHER THIS PLAN IS OUT THERE OR NOT. 
          SOME OF THE WORK THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE SIDEWALKS ALONG BRENTWOOD, THAT WAS PARTLY FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, THAT IT WAS OVERHANGING AND CAUSING AN ISSUE ON THE SIDEWALK 
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OVER. 
          SO YOU HAD TROUBLE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK. 
          WE GOT AHOLD OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO SOME OF THAT CLEARING ALONG THE SIDEWALK AS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A FAIR AND PRESUME RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. 
          I THINK WHAT, I'M PROBABLY MORE SPEAKING TO. 
          I'VE SEEN PEOPLE IN MOTORCYCLES ROLLING THROUGH THERE AND FOUR WHEELERS RUNNING THROUGH THERE. 
          SO UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE AS A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, I REMEMBER, UM, CONSTITUENTS COMPLAINING THAT THEY COULDN'T GET PAST THE STOP SIGN TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD TURN LEFT OR RIGHT, BECAUSE OF THE OVER, OVER BRUSH, WHICH YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND SO I'VE, I WOULD UNDERSTAND, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG THAN THAT, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION AROUND THE BASIC PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I BELIEVE ALONG THE FRONTAGE ALONG BELL FOUNTAIN, I BELIEVE, UH, THE GAS COMPANY CAME AND DID SOME OF THAT CLEARING BECAUSE AS THEY DO AT CERTAIN POINTS IN TIME ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. 
          I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG THAT, BUT ALL RESPECTFULLY, EVERYTHING YOU SAID YES. 
          POINT ON AND YOU'RE RIGHT IN SOME OF THAT WORK, CAUSE IT'S EVEN HAPPENING THROUGH THE WALGREENS PARKING LOT AS WELL. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME EFFORTS DONE BEYOND THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND SO THANKS FOR THAT. 
          AND THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND THE MARKET RATE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, AS I STATED EARLIER ON, WE ALL TOOK AN OATH THAT WE WOULD SPEAK THE TRUTH OR TRUTH TO POWER. 
          UM, IF THOSE HOUSES ARE TWO TO $300,000, WE COME BACK AND FIND THAT ARE SUB PART OF THAT, NOT WITHIN A 20% OR 10% CONTINGENCY WOULD BE REALLY DISAPPOINTING THAT WE WERE MISLED IN SUCH WAY, BUT I'LL JUST GO ON THE RECORD TO STATE, TO STATE THAT THAT'S NOT A SCOTT THING. 
          THAT'S JUST SPEAKING TO THE, TO THE, TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THIS COMMITTEE'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT RESPECTFULLY MR. WALTON HAS ALL TAKEN OATH. 
          AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'RE ALL BEING RESPONSIBLE. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU. 
          YOU ANSWERED THAT ONE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE TOLD, UH, RESIDENTS, EVERYTHING, WE, IF YOU PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET TODAY, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT THE PRICE IS. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND JAN BARGO AS A RESPONSIBLE REALTOR, I'M NOT SURE IF SHE STILL IS AT THIS POINT, BUT W WOULD NOT ALLOW SOMEONE TO PUT UP A MILLION DOLLAR HOME WHEN IT'S VALUED AT A HUNDRED OR 200,000. 
          I KNOW THAT I, I KNOW HER WELL ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT SHE WOULD SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER AS WELL. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLEAR CLARITY, AS WELL AS, UM, THE CLARITY ON WHAT, WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES THIS COMMITTEE HAS VERSUS COUNCIL. 
          AND W WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE HOPE WE HOLD THE PROPER FOLKS ACCOUNTABLE. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, YOU MENTIONED SIGNAGE, WHICH THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          AND, UM, YOU DID MENTION THAT NO TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THIS COMMITTEE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONDUCTING TRAFFIC STUDIES OR REQUESTING THEM. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE IN 2020, UM, AS IT RELATED TO AN EFFORT FOR A MULTIFAMILY, I WASN'T CERTAIN THAT IT WAS MULTIFAMILY, BUT I TAKE YOU FOR YOUR WORK. 
          WHAT I DO RECALL WAS THAT THERE WAS, UM, ASSISTED LIVING OR ASSISTED LIVING OR SENIOR LIVING THAT WAS PLANNED IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A BIT DIFFERENT MEETING. 
          THOSE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY SUSTAINED AND STAYING IN THERE IN THOSE PLACES AND THEIR HOMES RATHER VERSUS IN AND OUT DAILY TRAFFIC OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PUBLIC. 
          YES, THE, THE ASSISTED LIVING AREA, UM, WAS PROPOSED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BRENT BRENTWOOD, THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THIS IS, WAS MARKET RATE APARTMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WAS PRE PROPOSED OR THAT WAS APPROVED THAT THROUGH THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE BACK IN 2001, I BELIEVE 2001. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          I THOUGHT I HEARD 20, 20, BUT 2001. 
          SO THAT'S, IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS SINCE THAT STUDY HAS PROBABLY BEEN DONE. 
          THE 2020 IS WHEN THIS GROUP CAME THROUGH WITH THIS PLAN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT APPROVED APARTMENTS ON THIS SINGLE FAMILY WHERE THEY'RE BUILT AND THE ASSISTED LIVING ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT WAS BACK IN THE ORIGINAL ONE, I BELIEVE TWO, TWO TIMES. 
          AND, AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE HEATHER MAYOR DEVELOPMENT PROBABLY OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED AND STARTED. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT'S 20 YEARS LATER, IT'S PROBABLY TIME FOR ANOTHER STUDY, GIVEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKEN PLACE ALONG THE BELL FOUNTAIN CORRIDOR, ALBEIT WHETHER IT BE THE OAKS CALOMINE IR, UM, THE ASSISTED LIVING PLACE, IT IS DOWN THE ROAD FROM THERE, THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN HEATHER MIRROR ITSELF, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME, SOME MORE, SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE STILL SEEKING TO SOME DEGREE, BUT YOUR CLARITY WAS VERY HELPFUL, SCOTT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME, MR. JEFFRIES, JUST TO CLARIFY, ON ONE POINT, THE PRESERVATION AREAS, THE 20 FEET, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD TAKE 10 TO 15 YEARS IS IN ADDITION TO THE 20 FEET, THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN OF THE GROWTH THAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
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MAKING SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND SCOTT KEEP ME HONEST, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE MADE A NUMBER OF CALLS ON THIS MATTER. 
          THERE ARE PRESERVATIONS AREAS IN HEATHER, AMIR, BEYOND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THROUGH THIS PROJECT. 
          MEANING IT SHOULD, TO YOUR POINT, IF THERE IS SOMEONE, IF THERE'S A DEAD TREE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT SOMEONE'S HOME TO BE DESTROYED BECAUSE OF A BAD BECAUSE OF MOTHER NATURE, BUT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. 
          I SHOULDN'T SAY SIGNIFICANT. 
          THERE IS, THERE ARE SPACES WITHIN HEATHER, UNLIKE OTHER PARTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT TRULY ARE PRESERVATION AREAS. 
          YES, YES. 
          IN THE SINGLE FAMILY PORTION, THERE ARE PRESERVATION EASEMENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN THAT WAS SET UP, THERE WERE SOME SETUP ON THIS PARCEL AS WELL ALONG THOSE THAT, UH, THE, THE LANGUAGES IS BASICALLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT DEAD OR DISEASED TREES CAN BE REMOVED. 
          UM, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT TO BE LIVING, YOU KNOW, NORMAL TREES. 
          THOSE ARE TO NOT BE TOUCHED. 
          UM, THE, UM, AND WE'VE RUN INTO THE ISSUE, UM, THAT IF SOMEBODY GOES OUT WITH THEIR CHAINSAW AND STARTS CUTTING, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU CAN'T PUT IT BACK, UM, WHAT YOU CAN REQUIRE THEM TO PLANT SOMETHING NEW, BUT A 50 YEAR OLD TREE, YOU CAN'T PLANT A 50 YEAR OLD TREE. 
          UH, SO THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE WHERE, UH, THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A CALL SAYING, I HEAR CHAIN SALTS. 
          UM, AND WE GET OUT THERE AS SOON AS WE CAN TO LET THEM KNOW THEY, WHEN THEY BUY THE HOME, THEY ARE GIVEN THAT PLANT MAP THAT SHOWS THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOLD. 
          UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE TRY TO CATCH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THEY START CUTTING WELL AND WELL SAID. 
          AND I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES THE POINT THAT WAS MADE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A NICE TO HAVE. 
          IT ACTUALLY DOES EXIST. 
          IT'S LEGIT. 
          AND THE CITY HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB TO SCOTT'S EXACT DESCRIPTION OF ENSURING THAT WE RESPOND QUICKLY WITH IT AND THAT WE ADDRESS IT AND THAT THE, UM, THE EARLY ON INDICATORS ARE THERE AND THEY'RE NOT LAGGING AND WE'RE RESPONSIVE AND WELL DONE, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. 
          AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES, SIR. 
          BRIAN MOCHICA, I'M A RESIDENT IN BRENTWOOD. 
          UH, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS OR ONCE WE SIGN IN, UM, UH, SO FOR YOUR HOA, IS THAT, IS THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HOA SEPARATE FROM WHAT'S ESTABLISHED IN BRENTWOOD ALREADY? YES. 
          THIS WILL BE A SEPARATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN TO TRACY'S POINT ABOUT THE WHOLE, UH, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN, UH, THAT IF YOU'RE PULLING FROM BRENTWOOD ONTO A BELL FOUNTAIN, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK SOUTH WEST, UH, THERE IS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH VISIBILITY. 
          SO I USE AS A RULE OF THUMB OF PULLING 20 FEET IN FRONT OF THE RED LIGHT, A RED STOP SIGN, UH, BEFORE I STOP, JUST CAUSE YOU CAN SEE DOWN LEFT. 
          NOW, IF YOU START MULTIPLYING THAT BY THE, I THINK THE 120 HOMES THERE, IT'S THE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALMOST DOUBLING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S PULLING THROUGH THERE. 
          AND I THINK COMING HERE, THEY WERE ALREADY, THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO COPS PARKED OUTSIDE THERE BECAUSE OF A, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ACCIDENT OR WHAT, BUT THAT'S CONSTANT SITUATION. 
          UM, THERE WAS TREES BEING OVERGROWN. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE THEM OUT IF WE NEED TO PUT IN TURN LANES. 
          UH, THERE'S THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN THERE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR MAP, THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE BACKED UP EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT AND THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE RUSHING OUT. 
          SO, UH, I DEFINITELY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. 
          I SAID YOU CAN CERTAINLY, I, I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE. 
          I DIDN'T MENTION SOMETHING IN THE PRESENTATION THAT, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT THERE, THEY WILL BE WIDENING BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, UM, WHICH WILL IMPROVE THAT SIGHT LINE AND, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, IT'S JUST ON THIS HALF AND EVENTUALLY THE OTHER SIDE WON'T BE, UH, WIDENED AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT ON THIS SIDE, THEY ARE WIDENING WITH CURB AND SIDEWALK ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL IMPROVE THAT SITE DISTANCE. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, SIR, BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON, YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT THAT HAS NOT BEEN SWORN IN? OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? YEAH. 
          I ANNOUNCED ON THE COURTS WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN. 
          SO YOU RAISED YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, 
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THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD, I DO CONTINUE. 
          AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, WE'LL UM, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WILL THIS AFFECT THE WATER PRESSURE GOING INTO BELL FOUNTAIN RIGHT NOW? UH, OR ANY OF THE OTHER SERVICING, UH, RESIDENTS CURRENTLY, IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT PRESSURE BECAUSE THIS DOES IT CONNECTS, UM, DOWN THROUGH A LOOP SO THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT, I DON'T, I'M TRYING TO LIKE DESCRIBE THIS. 
          UM, IT'S NOT AN EXTENSION FURTHER ON WITH A DEAD END THAT WOULD PULL MORE FROM THAT AREA, BUT WITH THE LOOP THAT, UH, IS IN THERE, IT, UH, UM, SHOULD NOT AFFECT THE PRESSURES IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, IF THERE IS ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, DEFINITELY GIVE US A CALL AND WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, UM, WHAT IS GOING ON. 
          THERE WAS, UH, YEARS AGO WE DID AN EXTENSION PROJECT AT THE END OF HEATHER WAY THAT CONNECTED A LOOP THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY DID IMPROVE, UH, SOME OF THE, THE WATER PRESSURES. 
          THIS WAS PROBABLY, UH, EIGHT, 10 YEARS AGO, UH, THAT, THAT WAS DONE THAT, UH, THAT'S HELPS THAT SEPARATE SYSTEM. 
          SO THIS DOWN HERE IS NOT GOING TO PULL FROM THAT FROM THE EXISTING HOUSES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I GOT TO, MY LAST QUESTION IS WILL THE ELECTRIC BE RAN ON IN GROUND OR WILL BE ABOVE WE REQUIRE ON ALL NEW SUBDIVISIONS UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? MY NAME'S JENNIFER SAUL. 
          I LIVE AT, UH, 5 1 0 1 HEATHER WAY. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I THINK THE FIRST COMMITTEE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A DOG PARK. 
          IS THERE ANY KIND OF PARK STILL, OR DID THAT GET REPLACED BY ONE OF THE WATER THINGS? IS THAT STILL, IS THERE ANY KIND OF PARK OR IS IT JUST THE APPLICANT THAT HAVE WALKWAYS AROUND THEM? BECAUSE YOU GET ADDITIONAL  WALKWAYS AROUND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S JUST WALKWAYS. 
          THERE'S NO EXTRA PARKWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS JUST TIMELINE WISE. 
          UM, WHEN IS THIS PROJECT SUPPOSED TO BE DONE? I KNOW IT'S STILL IN THAT APPROVAL PROCESS, BUT SOMETIMES THINGS GET THROWN UP SUPER FAST AND SOMETIMES THEY TAKE YEARS. 
          SO JUST KIND OF GETTING AN IDEA OF HOW LONG THE NOISE AND CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF GOES. 
          SURE. 
          UM, IF IT'S APPROVED, LIKE I SAID, THE NEXT STEP IS FOR PERMITTING, UM, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO START THIS YEAR, START CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THE OVERALL BUILD OUTS, UH, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT IT COULD BE A CALL IT A CO COUPLE YEAR PROJECT WITH THIS NUMBER OF BUILDINGS IS TYPICAL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU BOTH STREETS AT THE SAME TIME, TWO SECONDS. 
          AND THEN I GUESS TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, HOW QUICKLY ARE PEOPLE MOVING IN WHILE YOU'RE STILL GETTING THE MICROPHONE? OH, SORRY. 
          UM, HOW, HOW LONG, UM, BEFORE PEOPLE START ACTUALLY MOVING IN AS WELL, CONSTRUCTION IS STILL HAPPENING. 
          LIKE YOU'RE SELLING THE UNITS AS YOU GO, OR IS IT MORE OF, ONCE EVERYTHING IS BUILT, THEN EVERYONE STARTS MOVING IN. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM COME UP. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE LAST ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, I'M SCOTT DALSTON WITH SM SD HOLDINGS. 
          UH, TYPICALLY ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE'RE HOPING TO START THIS YEAR. 
          WE WILL DO BOTH STREETS AT THE SAME TIME TO MAKE IT A QUICKER PROJECT. 
          SO THERE'S NOT CONSTANT CONSTRUCTION, UH, GOING ON, UH, REGARDING, REGARDING THE HOME BUILDER. 
          UH, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN WHAT WILL BE DONE, BUT NOTHING CAN BE DONE UNTIL THE FIRST PAVEMENT IS DONE AND THE LOTS ARE RECORDED. 
          SO IN REGARD, REGARDING TO CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING, OUR CONSTRUCTION GOTTA BE COMPLETED BEFORE THEY CAN GO AND START BUILDING INTO THE, UH, LOTS OF GOTTA BE RECORDED. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MS. FARGO, GO AHEAD. 
          AM I TO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS IN PHASES. 
          WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT DOING INTO PHASES. 
          SO AT ONE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING THE FIRST STREET IS ONE PHASE. 
          THE SECOND STREET IS A SECOND PHASE, BUT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING, JUST GETTING IN THERE AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT LARGE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT. 
          IT JUST ONE, ONE SINGLE PHASE INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE PHASES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
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ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM, I'M NOT AS ELOQUENT AS MOST THESE PEOPLE, SO PRETTY PLAIN SPEAKER. 
          UM, I LIVE ON 5 0 7 3 HEATHER WAY AND, UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE WATER PRESSURE, BUT THE HOUSING. 
          MY NAME IS CHRISTINA BIGS. 
          UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE WATER PRESSURE. 
          THE LARC BRUSH RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT THE, WE HAD AN INCIDENT WHERE, BECAUSE OF THE HOUSES UP ON THE TOP OF THE STREET, WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF FAMILIES USING SHOWERS AND WASHING MACHINES, IT PUTS SO MUCH PRESSURE ON OUR PIPING THAT IT TOOK AWAY OUR WATER. 
          AND WE HAD TO GET A SPECIAL VALVE PUT IN. 
          WE GOT SOME DOLLARS. 
          SO ARE HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO KEEPING THAT DOWN SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE? IT'S LIKE THE PRESSURE FROM THE HOUSES UP ABOVE THE STREET, FROM EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE USING. 
          JUST PUT SO MUCH PRESSURE ON OUR PIPES BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH PRESSURE PIPES CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY BREAK. 
          UH, I, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ANSWERING THE QUESTION. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU HAD TO PUT SOME BECAUSE THERE WAS TOO MUCH PRESSURE COMING IN YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? PRESSURE REGULAR. 
          SO THIS WILL NOT INCREASE PRESSURE IN ANY WAY. 
          SO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A PRESSURE REGULATOR, UH, YOU WOULDN'T SEE A DIFFERENCE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT ALL THE ANIMALS THAT ARE IN THERE, I'VE ALREADY SEEN TWO RACCOONS AND FIVE DEER SHOOT OUT THOSE WOODS. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, RELOCATE THEM OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND GET HIT BY CARS AND RUN OVER? I KNOW IT'S RIDICULOUS MAYBE, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE WAS REALLY BECAME AND HABITAT FOR ANIMALS. 
          I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF BIRDS. 
          AND MY NEIGHBOR SAYS, HE SWORE HE SAW PORCUPINE, BUT THERE'S NO PORCUPINES IN OHIO. 
          SO, UM, NO IDEA WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT, OR JUST LET THINGS HAPPEN AS THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          I CAN'T ANSWER. 
          I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT NATURE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, UM, WHENEVER OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE A PARTY, LIKE THE NEIGHBORS BESIDE US HAD A GRADUATION PARTY AND THEY HAD MUSIC AND GUESTS AND EVERYTHING, AND THEY WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME. 
          THEY INVITED ME AND I WENT BECAUSE OF THE FOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HIM THAT WELL YET, BUT, UM, SO THEY DID TURN THE MUSIC DOWN AND PRETTY MUCH CEASED EVERYTHING BY AROUND 8 30, 9 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          IS IT GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF, UM, HATE TO SAY RULES, BUT SOME KIND OF GUIDELINES FOR THE PEOPLE MOVING IN BEHIND US THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THESE PARTIES THAT STRETCH INTO 3:00 AM WITH REALLY LOUD MUSIC. 
          CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK THE NEXT DAY. 
          IT'S THE SAME ORDINANCES FOR ALL HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          THAT THERE'S A, THERE IS A DISTURBING, THE PEACE ORDINANCE THAT IT'S THE SAME FOREVER. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? GOOD EVENING, JULIE MERV ARE 5, 2 43 BRENTWOOD COURT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE HAD, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LOT OF MOTIONS. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THE SECLUSION THAT WE EXPERIENCED. 
          AND WE ALSO WANTED THIS, UM, DIVISION TO HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF SECLUSION. 
          SO WE ASKED ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FOUR UNITS THAT LED OUT ONTO BRENTWOOD COURT AND ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO FLIP THEM SO THAT THEIR DRIVEWAYS WERE NOT LETTING OUT. 
          AND THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE PRESERVATION AREA TO CONTINUE ALONG BRENTWOOD. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY WE DON'T SEE THEM. 
          THEY DON'T SEE US. 
          WAS THAT LOOKED AT ANY FURTHER? UM, I BELIEVE YOU ALL SAID THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT YEAH, THIS, THIS LAYOUT, IT WAS THE, UH, THE BEST LAYOUT THAT THEY COULD PROPOSE. 
          UM, HAVING THE DRIVEWAYS GO OUT THE REAR, UH, DIDN'T WORK AS YOU SEE ON THE PLAN, THERE'S NO OUTLET ANYWHERE TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE. 
          SO, UM, FOR THOSE UNITS TO WORK, THOSE DRIVEWAYS HAVE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THEM. 
          SO THEN WHY MAYBE NOT GET RID OF THOSE. 
          I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE HERE AND PROFIT OFF THE PROPERTY, BUT WHY NOT GET RID OF THOSE UNITS AND MAKE THAT THE DOG PARK THAT DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE THESE UNITS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE BACKYARDS OR FENCES. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WHERE ARE THE PETS GOING TO GO? WHERE ARE THEY GOING BE TAKEN? WHY NOT KIND OF GIVE AND TAKE, GIVE US OUR PRIVACY, GET AWAY FROM THAT LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE THERE, GIVE THEM THE DOG PARK AND YEAH, YOU LOSE THE FOUR UNITS. 
          UM, THEY MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN AS WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS NUMBER OF UNITS AND THAT'S THE PLAN THEY WENT FORWARD WITH. 
          UH, SO, UM, THAT THAT'S, IT WAS THE NUMBER OF HUMAN UNITS WAS DEEMED ACCEPTABLE. 
          AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WANTED TO REVISE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          SO STAYING ON THE TOPIC OF THE LOGISTICS, UM, THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC 
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STREETS SURROUNDING THIS UNIT YET THE ONLY ENTRANCE IS OUR PRIVATE THROUGHPUT FOR, WE ALREADY ONLY HAVE TWO INTERESTS IN THE DOOR, OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT WITH THIS NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED HOW DANGEROUS THAT ROAD ALREADY IS BASED ON HOW PEOPLE FLY THROUGH THERE, HOW THE TURNOFF BELL FOUNTAIN IS. 
          HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE OPTION OF THE TURN INS TO THIS PLACE BEING OFF OF BOTH KITTREDGE AND BELL FOUNTAIN? LIKE WHY DOES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NEED TO SHARE THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE, NOT JUST FOR THEM ALSO FOR US, BRENTWOOD IS A PUBLIC STREET, NOT A PRIVATE STREET, SO I HAVEN'T NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THERE ARE SIGNS THAT SAY THAT IT'S NOT A THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, BUT YEAH, AND ALSO WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE TO BELL FOUNTAIN, THAT'LL IMPROVE THE SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AT BELL FOUNTAIN, UM, THE, UH, WHETHER TO LOOK AT AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT OUT TO BELL FOUNTAIN, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UM, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS BACK WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROJECT CAME THROUGH THAT, UH, WANTING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS THAT GO OUT TO MAIDEN MAIN STREETS LIKE BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          UH, SO, UM, AND THEN THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DOWN TO KITTREDGE, UM, UH, THE POINT OF THAT WAS TO ALSO TRY TO LIMIT, UH, CURB CUTS ON MAIN ROADS. 
          SO, SO WHO, WHO WANTS THE CURB CUTS LIMITED AND WHY IS GOING THROUGH BRENTWOOD A BETTER OPTION, UH, OVERALL TRAFFIC PLANS, UM, THAT THE MORE CURB CUTS YOU HAVE ON A MAIN ROAD, UM, ARE NOT AS SAFE AS GOING THROUGH EXISTING AND, UM, STREET CONNECTIONS THAT ARE SPREAD OUT MORE. 
          YOU JUST SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO WIDEN BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T THAT ALLOW FOR A TURN LANE AND THEREFORE NOT CREATE THE RISKS ON TO BRENTWOOD? YES. 
          THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, UH, TURN LANE ONTO BRENTWOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE TURN LANE ON A BRENTWOOD, BUT WHAT ABOUT FURTHER DOWN BELL FOUNTAIN? SO THAT THE TURN INTO THE SUBDIVISION ACTUALLY ON BELL FOUNTAIN AND NOT BRENTWOOD, I HAVE YOU ALREADY GONE TO WIDEN THE STREET AND YOU COULD PUT IN A TURN LANE INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN A TURN LANE TO LET PEOPLE TURN IN ONTO AND FURTHER MAKING OUR LOGISTICS A PROBLEM THAT ALREADY EXISTS. 
          WHY CAN'T THEY TURN IN SOMEWHERE MIDPOINT OFF OF BELL FOUNTAIN INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT HAVE AN ENTRANCE OFF OF BRENTWOOD? BECAUSE THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SETUP IS FOR THIS PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED TO HAVE THE ACCESS. 
          LIKE I SAID, FOR A WINDOW IS GOING TO BE A PARK APARTMENTS WITH EVEN MORE UNITS THAN THIS WAS JUST FOR BRENTWOOD TO NOT HAVE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          PLANS CAN BE CHANGED. 
          SO I'M ASKING, CAN WE LOOK AT CHANGING THAT PLAN AND TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FEASIBLE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS, THE NEW AND THE OLD YEAH. 
          AT THIS STAGE? UM, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND CHANGING THE PLAN AS THIS HAS GONE THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, AT THIS, UH, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, IT WAS LOOKED AT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS A REDUCTION IN WHAT WAS, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS COMING THROUGH. 
          UM, AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD PLAN. 
          OKAY, WELL, YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT, BUT I'M A RESONANCE AND I'M ASKING IF YOU ALL WILL AT LEAST CONSIDER SOME OF YOU RECOMMENDING IT AND LOOKING AT THAT OPTION. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? HI, NANCY BURJ 51 98 RINGWOOD COURT. 
          UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, SCOTT, YOU HAVEN'T SAID HOW MUCH WE'RE WIDENING BELLTOWN. 
          IT'S THE SAME TYPICAL SECTION, UH, AS, UH, WAS, UH, I THINK IT'S A 60 FOOT TOTAL. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS JUST THIS SIDE OF IT THAT'S BEING DONE JUST AS SIZE IS BEING WIDENED. 
          YES. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUT, UM, WHAT IS IT GOING TO GO TO BASICALLY WHERE THAT GAS LINE IS RUNNING OR NOT THAT FAR BACK? NO, NOT THAT FAR BACK, BUT THAT OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, MY SECOND QUESTION AND, AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THIS, I'VE HEARD THE CONVERSATION, BUT THE HOMES THAT THIS WILL BACK UP TO THAT ARE ON HEATHER WAY, UH, THERE IS A 20 FOOT BUFFER ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER 20 FOOT BUFFER ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, ON THE, ON THIS DEVELOPMENT SIDE. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN SOME TREES WHICH 
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COULD GROW 40 FEET OR SPREAD 40 FEET. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          UH, IF YOU, AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN C ON THE EAST SIDE IS WHERE THE EXISTING BUFFER STRIP IS. 
          THERE AREN'T THAT MANY ADDITIONAL PLANNING'S GONNA, THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT LOCATION. 
          UH, THERE'S A STORM OUTLET WHERE THE LIGHT GREEN TREES ARE PROPOSED THERE THAT'S KIND OF OPEN. 
          AND SO THAT WILL FILL IN THE GAP, BUT THE TREES I WAS REFERRING TO WILL BE ON THE BELL FOUNTAIN SIDE, BEHIND THE HOMES TO PROVIDE A BUFFER FOR THE BACK OF THE HOMES AGAINST BELL FOUNTAIN. 
          MAINLY THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE GROWING, BUT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANNER, HEATHER MER SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE A 20 FOOT BUFFER, NOT ONLY ON MY PROPERTY, BUT ON MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. 
          SO THEY'RE CRA WITH 40 FEET. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANY OF THAT DOWN. 
          THAT'S STAYING, THAT'S EXISTING. 
          THEY'RE ADDING MEAT ON YOUR PROPERTY STATE, AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING JUST ADDITIONAL TREES WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT ANSWERS ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, I SHARE, I REALLY DO SHARE, UH, EVERYONE ELSE'S CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, HAVING ONE EGRESS. 
          UM, IT'S WE HAVE OUR UP HEATHER MIRROR RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 70 HOMES AT THE MOST. 
          IT IS A SMALL COMMUNITY. 
          WE HAVE A PUDGE OF VERY, VERY SMALL CHILDREN. 
          UH, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE LIKE FROM TWO YEARS TO SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OLD THAT PLAY IN THE STREET. 
          AND IF WE DIE ALL THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEY TURN DOWN AND GO OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN HEATHER WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CATASTROPHE. 
          IT JUST, UH, IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND EGRESS AND I'M, I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHY THAT EMERGENCY GRASS CAN'T BE, CAN'T BE FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION TO NOT ROLL IT THROUGH THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S A REQUEST, BUT IT IS A REAL, REAL SAFETY CONCERN. 
          UH, WHY YOU THINK YOU CAN TRAIN YOUR CHILDREN TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          WE HAVE DIFFERENT CULTURES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY DON'T OPERATE THE WAY THAT WE DO. 
          AND SO IT HAS TAUGHT THE RESIDENTS TO BE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS AS THEY COME AND GO FROM THEIR HOMES TO WATCH OUT FOR THESE CHILDREN. 
          BUT YOU DOVE 120 MORE UNITS IN THERE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ATTUNED TO THAT, THEN I CAN SEE SOMETHING AWFUL HAPPENING. 
          UM, SO I WOULD, I, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT. 
          YOU DON'T RECOMMEND THEY CHANGE IT, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE TRY TO FIND THAT OPTION IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND MY LAST CONCERN IS ABOUT, UM, THE HOA. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THE ORDINANCES THAT WHEN WE APPROVED THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE APPROVED THE HOA AND THE FACT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRAFT OF AN HOA IS VERY DISCONCERNING. 
          UH, TO ME, THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY TAKING CARE OF IT, UH, VERSUS I DON'T KNOW HOW AN HOA WOULD WORK WITH SO MANY PEOPLE, SO MANY DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN DIFFERENT UNITS AND THINGS. 
          UH, AND SINCE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF DRAFT THAT SUGGESTS HOW IT MIGHT WORK. 
          WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR THE HEALTH OF THE RETENTION PONDS. 
          IF THEY GET AN ALGAE BLOOM OR SOMETHING IN THERE, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          UM, WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING? UM, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE. 
          I MEAN, TO ME THAT, THAT REEKS OF A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN, NOT AN HOA, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST WROTE IT, WHATEVER THE ANSWER IS. 
          UM, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING IN DRAFT THAT TELLS US WHAT THE PROPOSED PLAN IS. 
          THIS IS SOME KIND OF A, UM, TO THEIR PRODUCT THAT NONE OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH. 
          UM, YES, SIR. 
          AND OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT RUN THE HOA. 
          SO 
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THERE WILL BE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT GROUP IN THERE THAT WILL BE HANDLING ALL THE MAINTENANCE, HANDLING, LANDSCAPING, MANAGING ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THE HOA WILL, WILL, WILL GIVE THEIR FUNDS TO THIS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND THEIR CONCERNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT WILL BE A, IT WILL BE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT GROUP THAT RUNS, RUNS THIS FACILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AGAIN, WHEN WILL WE SEE THE JOEY IN THE PROCESS? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? WHEN WILL WE SEE THE HOA AND DURA IN THIS PROCESS? WELL, IT, IT, IT DOES GET ATTACHED TO THE FINAL PLANT FOR RECORDING. 
          UM, BUT IF, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION LET'S SEE IT PRIOR TO THAT, THAT'S IN YOUR PURSE. 
          I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE, OUR CODE SAID THAT IT HAS TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT I'M NOT SURE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN WE MIGHT SAY ONE SCOTT, UNTIL WE'RE APPROVED, WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ANCIENT WAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT YES. 
          I MEAN, ONCE IT'S APPROVED AND READY TO GO, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HOA DOCUMENTATION AND IN THE STAFF PRIOR TO RECORDING AND MR. JEFFERS SCOTT ON THAT, I MEAN, IF, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE AN HOA AND THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FINAL DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, THERE WOULD BE THAT COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND NIGHT IN THE FUTURE, EVEN IF, BECAUSE WE CAN'T EVEN REQUIRE AN HOA. 
          RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          NO, WE DON'T REQUIRE AN HOA, BUT WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GOOD, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S NO, THAT'S CLARIFYING WHAT SCOTT, THAT, IF WE, IN THE ABSENCE OF AN HOA, WE WILL STILL IN THE FINAL DEVELOPER AGREEMENT HAVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THERE IS WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          CAUSE I THINK, CAN WE DO YEAH. 
          AND LET'S SAY AN HOA OR THE HOA DOCUMENTS GET RECORDED WITH THE PLAT. 
          SO THAT WOULD COME THROUGH AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT, UH, BUT YES, THERE, UM, IF THERE WERE NOT AN HOA, THERE'S STILL THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED. 
          MS. FARGO, UM, SCOTT, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAS AN HOA EVER BEEN, HAS IT EVER BEEN REQUIRED THAT IT BE APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION? I HAVE SEEN IT IN P U D S UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, YES. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAD THOSE WAS WHAT WERE THEY, UM, ACCEPTED AS PRESENTED OR WERE THEY ASKED TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE HOA? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE KICK COMES IN. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WANT THIS, SOME PEOPLE WANT THAT. 
          I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU DON'T REMEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS DINNER 2000 AND DREEZ HAD A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR $50 A YEAR AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN A GREEN SPACE WITH A GAZEBO AND MAYBE EVEN A PLAYGROUND FOR THE KIDS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT IT DIDN'T GET FOLLOWED THROUGH. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE STARTED TO COMPLAIN AND I DIDN'T JOIN IN. 
          CAUSE I JUST, I CAN ALWAYS TAKE THE BACK SEAT, BUT, UH, THERE WAS EVEN TALK OF A LAWSUIT AGAINST TREES AND, AND SO THEY JUST DROPPED THE $50 A YEAR AFTER A FEW YEARS. 
          AND THERE WAS NO MORE TALK OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          SO THERE WAS ONE, BUT IT JUST DISAPPEARED. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? I CAN ADDRESS IT. 
          PLEASE DO STEVE. 
          WHILE AGAIN, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF THINGS COME UP OVER AGAIN AND, AND UH, I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD TALK ABOUT THEM JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, WE DID STUDY, UH, DID A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE APPROVED PLAN BEFORE THIS ONE WAS APPROVED, WHICH WAS 208 APARTMENTS AND OURS, WHICH IS 120 TOWNHOMES. 
          AND JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PEAK AMOUNT OF TRIPS COMING OUT OF THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE IN THE MORNING WOULD BE 117 CARS. 
          THIS IS BASED ON INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UH, TR TRIP GENERATION STUDIES AND FOR 120 TOWNHOUSES, IT HOW FOR 120 TOWN HOMES, THERE WOULD BE 59 TRIPS COMPARED TO 117. 
          AND FOR THE EVENING, THE PEAK TRIPS FOR 208 APARTMENTS WOULD BE ABOUT 
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141 AND 420 TOWNHOMES. 
          THAT WOULD BE 71. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT HALF THE TRIPS OF THE APPROVED PLAN BEFORE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE FELT THAT THIS WAS AN IMPROVEMENT UPON WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND GENERAL, YOU KNOW, SCOTT WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT GENERAL TRAFFIC PLANNING HAS HAVE YOU PULL THAT TRAFFIC AND TRY AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES ONTO COLLECTOR STREETS BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPPOSING DRIVEWAYS AND OPPOSING STREETS. 
          AND WHEN THEY START TO GET TOO CLOSE, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE ACCIDENTS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT THIS MAKES SENSE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS. 
          AND AS FAR AS ONE ENTRANCE IS CONCERNED, WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WITH THE STAFF AND, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT ORIGINALLY SAID, I BELIEVE IT WAS 125 OR 130, SOME UNITS WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS. 
          BUT THEN WE AGREED TO PROVIDE IT. 
          EVEN THOUGH INTERNALLY WE HAVE 107 UNITS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 13 UNITS ON BRENTWOOD. 
          SO, UM, WE AGREED TO PROVIDE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT MADE THEM MORE COMFORTABLE. 
          SO WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS, UM, THE DOG PARK, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY HAVING A DOG PARK, RELATIVELY CLOSE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS NECESSARY TO HAVE A DOG PARK. 
          AND BECAUSE OF WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WE NEEDED TO ADD ANOTHER RETENTION BASE AND WE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE MORE USABLE. 
          THE AREA THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR A DOG PARK TO BE FLAT, OPEN SPACE THAT EVERYONE COULD USE AS THEY SEE FIT AS JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, WALKING TRAILS OR GO HAVE A PICNIC OVER THERE OR WHATEVER, BUT, UH, TO LIMIT IT TO JUST PETS, UM, BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER FELT THAT MAYBE BE MORE USEFUL TO BE PASSIVE OPEN SPACE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS TRACY DUDLEY. 
          UH, FIRST OFF AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND IT'S GOTTA, THANK YOU TOO. 
          IT'S GOT PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE UP THERE BEING PAID. 
          SO THE REST OF Y'ALL ARE HERE OUT OF THE GOODNESS AND KINDNESS OF YOUR HEARTS AND TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS AND LISTEN, AND DO THE CONTINUED WORK THAT YOU DO. 
          WE, WE DO APPRECIATE THAT IT IS PROBABLY NOT ALWAYS STATED OR SHARED, BUT THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU ALSO TO THE RESIDENTS FROM HEATHER MAYOR WHO CAME OUT TODAY AND THOSE WHO CAME OUT PRIOR TO THIS SESSION TO SHARE THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS AND FOR YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN, BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DID WANT TO BE HEARD. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK, QUICKLY. 
          AND CHRISTINE SAID THIS AS IT RELATED TO HMO AND DAN HINTED TOWARDS IT AS WELL WITH HER REMARKS, UH, HMO'S ARE GREAT WHEN THEY WORK AND WHEN THEY'RE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON. 
          AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE SUSTAINED, UH, WE HEARD AN EXAMPLE WHEN, WHERE ONE WASN'T AND THE FRUSTRATION THAT COMES FROM CONSTITUENTS AND RESIDENTS AS A RESULT OF IT, IT IT'S A LOT OF INSTANCES. 
          IT MEANS THAT THEY MOVED TO A COMMUNITY WHERE THEY ARE SUSTAINED. 
          AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT IF IT WAS ASKED FOR IT, IT WAS AGREED UPON THAT IT WOULD BE WELL WE'RE WITNESSES OF THAT, NOT WORKING, WHAT WE WOULD PLEAD TO THIS GROUP AS, BEFORE YOU GO THROUGH WITH ANOTHER APPROVAL, THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED THAT ARE STILL GREAT ARE STILL UNCERTAIN. 
          I E A REQUEST TO REVIEW A DRAFT OF A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, ALTHOUGH IT, IT'S NOT BINDING PER SE, IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. 
          IT COULD START AT $50 AND IT COULD GO UP TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS BASED ON THE NEEDS AND, AND THE PRICE OF COST TO, TO DO THE WORK WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU AT LEAST CONSIDER IT BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY MATTERS TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY AND HAVE TO LIVE AND BREATHE IT EVERYDAY, OR SELL THEIR HOMES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T LIVE WITH IT, WHICH WE'VE SEEN FRIENDS AND FAMILY MOVE AWAY FROM HEATHER MIRROR AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          AND WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN, OR SEE, SEE THAT, SEE THAT, SEE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          DISTAINED BECAUSE OF IT. 
          UM, THERE ARE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE IN AND HEATHER MIRROR OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 20 YEARS, SINCE THE VERY FIRST HOUSE WAS BUILT, AND THEN THEY COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS TODAY TO SHARE THEIR VOICE, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY HAVE AND WANTING TO SEE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE SUSTAINED AND IMPROVED SO THAT THEY CAN COMMIT, BE COMMITTED RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, PAY THEIR TAXES, KEEP UP THEIR PROPERTY AND MAKE THIS THE HOME AWAY FROM HOME THAT WE, WE ALWAYS WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED AS OUR THEME, AS A PLACE TO GROW. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. 
          AND WE HOPE YOU WANT THE SAME FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO, YES, PLEASE DON'T ACT WITHOUT GETTING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS QUITE CANDIDLY, BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A VOICE AND EVERYONE DESERVES TO HAVE A RESPONSE TO 
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THERE'S THE, I DON'T KNOWS OR I'M UNCERTAIN, OR I'M NOT SURE WE'LL HAVE TO SEE, OR DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF WE HAVE WHAT ACTUALLY, IT DOES MATTER. 
          IT MATTERS TO US. 
          SO I WOULD ASK THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          WE APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME UP AND SPOKE ON, UH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME. 
          I APOLOGIZE, STEVE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU, STEVE, FOR SHARING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK. 
          I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL, AS WELL AS COUNSEL, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WRITE LETTERS TO COUNCIL ASKING FOR THIS TOO. 
          UM, HE CAME IN WITH SOME HARD NUMBERS, THE 59 TO 71 FOR PEAK TRIPS. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST ASK OF EVIDENCE OF THAT. 
          WHO DID THAT DUE DILIGENCE WHO DID THAT STUDY? SCOTT WAS VERY TRANSPARENT SAYING THE LAST TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE DID, WHICH I DON'T DISAGREE WITH. 
          CAUSE I PROBABLY WAS AROUND TO SEE IT DONE WAS 2001. 
          UM, A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE 18, 19, 20 YEARS AGO. 
          SO PLEASE ASK FOR THAT, THAT, THAT EVIDENCE OR THAT RECORD SO THAT WE COULD ALL SEE IT AND GIVE A HEAD NOD. 
          LIKE, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO US TOO. 
          AND, AND WE TRUST FOLKS AT THEIR WORD, BUT, UM, WE W WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HELP US AND BE OUR VOICE AS, AS YOU STILL RESPECTIVELY HAVE DONE AND YOUR ASSIGNMENT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE GET GOSPEL MUSIC AT THE END OF THAT, SCOTT TORSTEN AGAIN WITH THE, UH, SM SD REGARDING THE HOA. 
          WHEN, WHEN IT'S A LOT OF TIMES THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU DO NOT HAVE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS WE HAVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS GOT AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE. 
          THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          IF IT'S NOT OURS, IT FALLS ON TO HUBER HEIGHTS. 
          WHO'S GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAN IT AND BILL US. 
          SO THE CONCERN OF HAVING AN HOA, UH, IN MY MIND IS NO QUESTION WHATSOEVER. 
          WE NEED A NATURE WAY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY STRONGLY THAT YOUR WAY, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT GREEN SPACE HAS GOTTA BE MAINTAINED. 
          SO I I'VE HEARD THAT THERE IS A BIG CONCERN REGARDING, AND WE CAN GET WORKING ON THAT, BUT THE SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN HOA IS NOT AN OPTION, BECAUSE THERE IS JUST AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE PONDS, FOUNTAINS THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          AND, UH, AND, AND IT WOULD FALL ON US OR ON YOU GUYS. 
          AND THEN THEY BILL US IF WE DON'T HAVE IT. 
          SO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HOA, UH, IT WILL BE, THERE IT'LL BE SUFFICIENT. 
          IT WILL BE LARGE, BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING DOCUMENTATION TO YOU EARLIER THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I CAN ANSWER WHAT I THINK A QUESTION IS, IS WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE PONDS. 
          WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, THE WALKS AROUND THE PONDS, THE TREES, THE GRASS, AND THAT ANSWER IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THE SAME AS ANY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          UH, SO THERE ARE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. 
          SO, UM, THE, WHETHER IT'S A COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND MOST OF THE GRASS OR SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN ONE OF THE UNITS THAT CUTS THE GRASS, UH, OUR DUTY AS THE CITY IS TO MAKE SURE THE GRASS GETS CUT. 
          AND WE DO LOOK AT PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, FOR, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWED. 
          AND IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE. 
          NANCY BIRCH, SCOTT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          THE WAY I, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE UNIT OWNERS. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS BASICALLY. 
          SO WHO, WHO BECOMES A PROPERTY OWNER? IT WILL BE THESE HOAX. 
          WILL IT BE RYAN? IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE THESE HUGS. 
          SO THE, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER IS THE COMPANY AND THE, EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT WILL BE SOLD TO AN INDIVIDUAL, BUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE STILL OWNED BY SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE CITY DOESN'T CARE, BUT IT COULD BE MR. DOORSTEP. 
          HE COULD SELL IT TO SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE THAT THAT'S HIS RIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT THERE, THERE IS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          AND IT COULD BE HIM PERSONALLY, OR A COMPANY OF HIS UNDERSTOOD. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAID, I KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T CARE, I KNOW EXACTLY THE RIGHT WORDS. 
          I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT YES, SIR, THERE WILL BE A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSE TO THAT. 
          SO THEY, THE PROPERTY 
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MANAGEMENT COMPANY REPORTS TO HIM AND, AND THE UNIT OWNERS HAVE NO INVOLVEMENT IN THAT, RIGHT? NO. 
          HOW WOULD IT WORK? IS THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE LLC FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          SO THE HOMEOWNERS WILL OWN ALL THE GREEN SPACE. 
          ALL THE LAND THERE'LL BE OWNED BY EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT LIVES IN THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE DUES THAT THEY PAY TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER WILL BE USED TO MAINTAIN OR TO MAINTENANCE THEIR LAND. 
          SO EVERY HOMEOWNER WILL HAVE A PORTION OF THAT LAND. 
          THAT'S WHY THE PAYMENT DUES, SO THE GREEN SPACE AND THE PONDS AND EVERYTHING THAT THAT IS NOT PART OF EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL BE OWNED BY THE ASSOCIATION AS A WHOLE. 
          SO THEY PAY DUES TO THEIR ASSOCIATION THAT THEY'RE PART OF. 
          AND THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY. 
          THAT PROPERTY IS USED. 
          IT'S AUDITED. 
          IT'S IT'S, YOU DO TAXES ON IT. 
          AND ALL OF THAT FUNDS THAT COME IN NEED TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR, AND THEY'RE ACCOUNTED FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, OF THE LAND. 
          SO INITIALLY WHEN PROPERTY STARTS, WE, AS THE DEVELOPER, WE'RE STILL STILL MANAGE IT AND HAVE TO PAY, PAY, TO KEEP, TO UPKEEP IT FOR THE MOST PART. 
          AND THEN ONCE IT GETS TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, IT'S HANDED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          AT THAT POINT, THEY OWN IT COMPLETELY. 
          AND THEIR DUES ARE THE ONES THAT TAKE CARE OF THE MANAGEMENT. 
          BUT CONTRARY TO WHAT SCOTT JUST SAID, YOU WOULD NEVER, YOU WOULD NEVER SEE ONE OF THOSE UNIT MANAGERS OUT THERE WITH A LAWNMOWER VOTING  RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT WILL BE A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT HANDLES ALL OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULD BE LIKE A NORMAL, IT WOULD BE LIKE A NORMAL CONDUCT SITUATION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THROUGH MONTGOMERY COUNTY TAX RECORDS, THERE IS THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OWNER THAT PAYS TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT WE GO OUT THERE AND LET'S SAY WE CUT THE GRASS, AND THEN WE SEND A BILL TO THAT ENTITY, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, AND IF THEY DON'T PAY IT, THEN WE ASSESS IT TO THE TAXES. 
          MS. MARGO, YOU SCOTT, SORRY. 
          UM, UH, DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU NEED A ROOF ON ONE OF THE UNITS WHO PAYS FOR THAT, THAT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THESE AREN'T, THIS ISN'T A CONDOMINIUM. 
          IT'S AN INDIVIDUALLY OWNED HOME. 
          SO THE HOMEOWNER WILL OWN EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE EXTERIOR, AS WELL AS INTERIOR YOURSELF, YOU, YES, MA'AM. 
          NOW I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING TO OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN EVENTUALLY OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHO'S GOING TO RUN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          WHO'S GOING TO OWN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SURE AFTER HE NO LONGER OVERSEES THIS, WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS FOLLOWING ON WITH THE MAINTENANCE AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND AGREED UPON. 
          I WOULD SAY THE HOMEOWNERS, YOU WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE BACK TO THE IDEA THAT THEY OWN THE UNITS. 
          WE'VE SAID THAT HERE THEY OWN THE UNITS. 
          THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNITS. 
          THEY ARE BEING SOLD. 
          THIS CONDOMINIUM LIKE LIFESTYLE AND A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE MADE AWARE THAT AT SOME POINT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER THIS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND CONTINUE RUNNING IT, UH, DEFINITELY EARLY ON, WE HANDLE EVERYTHING. 
          UH, BUT WE BRING ON A PROPERTY MANAGER. 
          IT COULD BE AT THE PROPERTIES. 
          IT'S A NUMBER OF THE PROPERTIES. 
          WHEN WE HAND IT OVER TO THE HOA, TO THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY CAN CHANGE THAT IF THEY WANT TO, BECAUSE THEY OWN THE PROPERTIES. 
          NOW, TYPICALLY YOU NEED A 75% VOTE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY NEVER, BUT TYPICALLY THEY NEVER CHANGE IT. 
          IF THE PROPERTY MANAGER IS DOING A GOOD JOB, IF THEY'RE MAINTAINING EVERYTHING, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP, KEEP, CAUSE WE PAY THEM. 
          WE'LL PAY, WE'LL PAY THE PROPERTY MANAGERS OUT OF THE HOMEOWNERS DUES. 
          THEY'LL JUST CONTINUE THE SAME PROCESS. 
          SO IT WILL BE, IT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY SEAMLESS, EXCEPT THERE'LL BE A BOARD OF HOMEOWNERS THAT WILL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THROUGH CORMS. AND IT'S, IT CAN BE DONE EVERY SIX MONTHS, EVERY YEAR. 
          BUT TYPICALLY FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN DEALING WITH IT, THEY USUALLY KEEP THE SAME PROPERTY MANAGERS, ASSUMING EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL. 
          SOMETIMES THEY'LL FARM IT OUT TO SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER LANDSCAPE COMPANY. 
          THEY CAN DO IT FOR A BETTER PRICE, BUT THAT AT THAT POINT IS VOTED ON BY ALL THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          AND IT'S DECIDED THAT, AND, UH, I'LL SAY IT'S A DIFFERENT SCALE, BUT WHO'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S UPKEEP THE CITY AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE ARE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS JUST AS IF I OWNED 
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A HOUSE, UM, ON HEATHER WAY, I HAVE THOSE SAME STANDARDS THAT THEY DO THAT I HAVE TO KEEP MY GRASS CUT. 
          I HAVE TO KEEP THE, UH, TREES, THE BUSHES PROPERLY MAINTAINED. 
          LIKE I SAID, IT'S A SMALLER SCALE. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED THAT THESE WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW AS WELL, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR BUSH. 
          LIKE WE OWN OUR SHIRT. 
          OUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION FELL APART. 
          IT NEVER HIT OFF THE GROUND. 
          WE DISBANDED IT. 
          IT NEVER HAPPENED, BUT WE OWN OUR LAND AND WE OWN OUR HOUSE. 
          AND WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU. 
          THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE UNITS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO ONE ANOTHER AND THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND. 
          THERE STILL IS A PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT LAND THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT GRASS, THOSE BUSHES, THOSE TREES THAT, SO THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS RESPONSIBLE AND WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT JUST AS A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER DOES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING, GOING BACK TO THE ROOF COMMENT, THEY'RE ATTACHED, THERE'S FOUR UNITS. 
          ONE ROOF GOES BAD. 
          THIS HOUSE HAS, YOU KNOW, SKYLIGHTS OR THEIR ROOF IS HOTTER OR WHATEVER THEIR MOOD GOES BAD. 
          AND THESE OTHER THREE UNITS DON'T GO BACK, WHO DECIDES, WHO ENFORCES THE FACT THAT THIS UNIT HAS TO CHANGE THEIR ROOF AND HOW'S THAT GOING TO LOOK? HOW WILL WE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MATCHES THAT IT STILL LOOKS RIGHT? THEY DON'T MATCH. 
          THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT COLORS. 
          THE OUTSIDE'S DIFFERENT, BUT THE ROOMS AREN'T ARE THEY, IT'S NOT THE DIFFERENT COLORS OF THE LINES FOR THE ELEVATOR. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. JEFFREY, ON THAT, WE HAVE MULTIUNIT HOMES IN HUBER. 
          NOW I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THE DUPLEXES, BUT THEN THERE'S ORLEANS OF STATES, WHICH ARE QUADS, WHERE THERE ARE FOUR IN A ROW. 
          LIKE THE, I MEAN, THEY'RE SINGLE STORY. 
          THEY'RE FOUR IN A ROW LIKE THIS ALREADY IN THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SUNING CASE AND HEARING NONE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION QUESTIONS FOR JEFFERSON? YEP. 
          SO ON THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SECONDARY EXIT AND ACCESS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT ROAD? LET'S TAKE THE ONE THAT GOES OUT TO KITTREDGE. 
          HE SAID, IT'S ALREADY THERE IS THAT WIDE ENOUGH, THAT EXIT ONTO KITTREDGE IS THAT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT TO BECOME AN ACTUAL ROAD INSTEAD OF JUST EMERGENCY ACCESS, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN BETWEEN THE UNITS, JUST AREN'T THE ROAD. 
          CURRENTLY, THE PLAN IS TO IMPROVE IT ALL THE WAY TO KITTREDGE THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO WIDEN IT, TO MEET THE EMERGENCY STANDARDS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD. 
          THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN BETWEEN THE UNITS AS IT GETS TO THE CUL-DE-SAC TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD. 
          HOPE SO, BUT ON NORMALLY FOR SAFETY, AXA EGRESS, WE WOULD WANT A SECONDARY EGRESS AND WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, RIGHT? YES. 
          BUT OUR TYPICAL, SO THIS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OF AN EXCEPTION ON OUR TYPICAL LAYOUT WOULD NEED, WE PREFER THIS, BUT WE'RE ACCEPTING THIS. 
          SO COULD I WALK AROUND TO THE SCREEN TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE LAYOUT? IF WE COULD PIVOT SOMETHING? ALRIGHT, SURE. 
          SORRY. 
          DON'T TOUCH IT. 
          DON'T TAKE OFF. 
          WHEN THE PHARMACY CAME IN IS A, THE ROAD, ALL THIS RIGHT HERE,  HAVE ALL THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, POSSIBLY PUMPS. 
          SHE'LL HAVE TO ASK THEIR ENGINEER. 
          AND I GUESS WHAT THAT POSSIBLY, I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A ROAD, RIGHT. 
          BUT THIS UNIT HERE HAD THE ROAD COME IN THIS ONE. 
          WELL, WE, WE WOULD LOSE UNITS FOR SURE. 
          BUT, UM, TWO POINTS, ONE, THE, THE AREA IN THE SOUTH THERE IS ALSO, IT'S AN EXISTING PRESERVATION ZONE. 
          SO WE WERE RESPECTING THAT TO, SECONDLY, THIS ISN'T OVER THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TWO ENTRANCES. 
          WE WERE UNDER THE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO ENTRANCES, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR AN ACCESS ANYWAY, WHICH IS WHY WE PROVIDED IT. 
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UH, I SCOTT, CORRECT. 
          SO WHEN WE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON THE HOPES AND IT WAS OVER, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY FOR THAT NUMBER, RIGHT. 
          MULTI-FAMILY WAS 1 25. 
          AND HE EVEN SET UP TO ONE 40 AT ONE POINT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HE WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH YES. 
          IF WE PROVIDE THIS. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO GET TO THIS POINT. 
          THIS IS THE PLAN WE PRESENTED TO EVERYBODY LAST YEAR. 
          AND I DON'T FEEL IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE IT AT THIS POINT. 
          AND IT'S SAFE. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT EMERGENCY ACCESS. 
          IF THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD GET CLOGGED UP SOMEHOW, UH, BELL FOUNTAIN IS A ARTERIAL STREET THAT'S DESIGNED TO COLLECT THIS TRAFFIC. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO, I AGREE. 
          YOU'RE HERE ALREADY. 
          I WILL ADD ON IN YOUR COMMENT, IS COULD YOU REVISE THIS DRIVEWAY BECAUSE OF THE SANITARY LIFT STATION? THAT'S THERE? YOU COULDN'T MOVE IN ANY FURTHER TO THE, UH, THE, THE EAST THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY S M S D HOLDINGS, LLC, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD AND BRENTWOOD DRIVE ZONING CASE 20 DASH OH EIGHT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 4TH, 2021. 
          AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED A NUMBER FIVE MOTION, UM, UH, MADE BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY'S SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL DISCUSSION? NO, UM, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE HAD THE HOA IN WRITING, THEN ADD THAT AS A NUMBER SIX TO THIS. 
          NOT THAT, UM, I DON'T, HOWEVER THEY'RE GOING TO PUT, THEY PUT IN IT IS UP TO THEM, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IN LEGAL DOCUMENTS AND SOMETIMES, UH, I THINK ALWAYS IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT IN WRITING. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OR AT LEAST DISCUSS IT OR YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ME OUT OF IT. 
          IF YOU THINK YOU CAN, THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED AT THE NEXT STEP. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF LANGUAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, AS YOU SAID, AS A NUMBER SIX, UM, THAT BECAUSE YES, IT WILL BE PART OF THE FINAL PLAT. 
          THE LANGUAGE CAN BE THAT IT IS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT. 
          SURE. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          SO NUMBER SIX, HOA DOCUMENTS, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE A PROPOSAL AND A GOOD JOB. 
          HOA DOCUMENTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT SUBMITTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, SUBMIT TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          READ IT AGAIN. 
          HOA DOCUMENTS SHALL BE, BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT. 
          YEAH. 
          MS. THOMAS, ARE YOU STILL GOOD WITH YOUR EMOTION, MR. JEFFRIES? ARE YOU GOOD WITH YOUR SECOND SECRETARY? WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OH, NO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WAS THE MEGA NEW MOTION? WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE A NEW MOTION? IS IT A NEW MOTION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE? NO. 
          IT'S CLARIFICATION ON THE CODE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT CHAPTER 1, 11 51 DASH ZERO NINE, IS THAT THE DETAIL OF THE GENTLEMAN'S LAND SPACE RESTRICTED THAT ARE TO BE 
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RECORDED?  YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN? IT'S TURNED FOUL KOSKI. 
          HE'S TRYING. 
          OH, YOU'RE WAITING. 
          WHAT WAS THE NUMBER YOU MENTIONED MR.   IT'S THE SAME THING WE'VE GOT HERE. 
           11 5109 IS IN REGARDS TO THE  RESIDENCE DISTRICT. 
          SO NOT IN THE PLAN, RESIDENTIAL, UM, DISTRICT. 
          UM SO THAT PORTION OF THE CODE DOESN'T APPLY TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          UM, BACK IN BACK   OKAY. 
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 OKAY. 
             AND THE PROCEDURE FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHALL BE THE DETAILED PLAN AND SUPPORTING DATA SHALL BE FILED WITH THE CITY. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL DETERMINE THAT SUCH PLAN IS IN CONFORMITY WITH THESE REGULATIONS AND AGREEMENT WITH THE APPROVED BASIC PLAN AFTER REVIEW OF THE DETAILED PLAN AND SUPPORTING DATA, THE COMMISSION SHALL APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER DISAPPROVAL OF THE DETAILED PLAN SHALL BE BASED ON ITS FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CURRENT APPLICABLE CODE STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, SCOTT, DID YOU NOT SAY THAT WE, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT REQUIRE AN HOA? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN THE, IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS, UM, I'M NOT SEEING AN HOA DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENT IN THE LIST ONLY BY REQUEST, OR I AM NOT SEEING ON THE LIST. 
          GIVE HIM A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT ON THE LIST FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          UM, AS MS. FARGO STATED ADDING IT TO THE DECISION RECORD PRIOR TO THE PLANT, THAT IT WILL BE PRIOR TO ANY BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, SO THAT, UH, BEFORE ANYBODY COULD BUY A HOUSE IN THERE, UM, IT WON'T COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THAT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          SO I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          THAT'S BEEN SECONDED. 
          SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES, I SAW YES. 
          IT'S THOMAS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S FARGO. 
          YES. 
          MR. WALL, YES. 
          MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO. 
          WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE TO SUBMIT FOR PERMITS, UM, THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND ZONING DEPARTMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM IS NEW BUSINESS, A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE APPLICANT DEC LAND COMPANY ONE LLC IS APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SECTION TWO PHASE FIVE OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT ZONING CASE 21 DASH 23. 
          MR . 
          THANK YOU. 
          KAREN TRAILS, SECTION TWO, PHASE FIVE, 
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UH, IS THE BLUE SECTION UP ON THE SCREEN? IT'S IN THE, UH, UH, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, ONE THING THAT YOU NOTICE, UH, UM, THAT IS FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS IS ALL OF THE, UH, REDDISH PINK AREA THAT IS, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, DEVELOPED. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST PIECES, UH, REMAINING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS JUST OVER 16 ACRES AND THE PROPOSAL IS 4 62 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS AND TWO GREEN SPACE, LOTS. 
          UH, SO WITH THIS, THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF, UH, SECTION TWO, WHICH IS SOUTH OF, UH, RED BUCKEYE, UM, THAT, UH, THESE ARE A 55 FOOT LOTS. 
          AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, HAS 62 NEW HOUSES BEING PROPOSED. 
          THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE DETENTION AREAS PROPOSED WITH THIS, UH, THAT, UH, UH, LOCATED AT THE, UH, THE NORTHEAST SIDE CENTRALIZED AND ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THIS. 
          SO THERE ARE, UH, THE PUBLIC UTILITY CONNECTIONS, SO CONNECTS TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. 
          AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE DRAINAGE GOES TO THREE NEW DETENTION AREAS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF THIS IS THE WATERSTONE APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          UH, SO THIS COMPLETE SCENARIO, UM, IN SECTION TWO THAT, UH, AS I MENTIONED IS SOUTH OF RED BUCKEYE. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, ENDS UP IN A CUL-DE-SAC IN A NEW CONNECTION OUT, UH, ALONG THAT CREATES KIND OF A GRID PATTERN WITH THAT. 
          THIS DOES MEET THE APPROVAL OF THE 2008 BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SIZE OF LOTS. 
          A, THESE ARE CONSIDERED VILLAGE HOMES, UM, AS SECTION TWO, UH, HAS ALLOWED. 
          UM, SO, UM, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND, UH, THE NEXT STEP AFTER THIS WOULD BE TO, UH, BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND COME BACK FOR A FINAL PLANS TO BE ABLE TO SELL HOUSES, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SHOW, BUT, AND UP TO THE PUBLIC, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          JEN GONE AWAY WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS. 
          FIRST THING I'M GOING TO DO WITH Y'ALL, LET'S MAKE A DEAL BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO ANOTHER PHASE OF CARRIE'S TRAILS. 
          AND IF I'M GOING TO DO THIS FOR 10 MORE YEARS, YOU GOT TO PUT ME FIRST ON IT, 1260S, THE BIG NUMBER. 
          SO AS OF YESTERDAY, WE HIT THAT, LIKE SCOTT SAID, THIS IS IT. 
          I MEAN, UH, THE, YOU CAN SEE THE POND AT THE FRONT. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, AT THE FAR RIGHT, THERE'S TWO PIECES ARE PART OF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DID A DEAL WHERE THE CITY TOOK A PIECE OF IT. 
          SO WE COULD DO THE RED BUCKEYE, UH, THE REST OF IT'S STILL KIND OF IN LIMBO, UH, START A FORECLOSURE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          EVERYBODY STOPPED BECAUSE IT'S GOT A LOT OF ASSESSMENTS ON IT. 
          SO IT'S JUST KINDA SITTING THERE, UH, WAITING FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO HAPPEN. 
          YOU GOT THE POND, IT'S A GRAY AREA, THEN THERE'S A LITTLE HALF TRIANGLE LOOKING THING RIGHT ABOVE THE BLUE. 
          WE'RE WORKING TO CLOSE THAT WITH REDWOOD RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, IN FACT, SCOTT HAS A NUMBER OF THINGS IN FOR REVIEW WITH HIM AND JERRY THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO TAKE THE COUNCIL. 
          ONE OF THEM IS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH REDWOOD TO, TO BUILD THAT OUT. 
          WE HELD FIVE ACRES BACK BECAUSE THE SENIOR FACILITY HAD AN OPTION ON IT, BUT REDWOOD JUST MOVES SO MUCH FASTER THAN THE SENIOR FACILITY HAS, AND THEY WERE READY TO CLOSE ON IT AND BUILD MORE OF THE APARTMENTS. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO CLOSE THAT THIS BLUE PIECE WE, WE LOOKED AT SCOTT HELPED US LOOK AT THIS, BUT WE LOOKED AT A PRODUCT IN THERE TO DO A TWO UNIT TIGHT STRUCTURE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE END OF CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE. 
          SO TO INTRODUCE A TOTALLY NEW PRODUCT, UH, IT, IT CHANGED ENOUGH STUFF THAT WE'D HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT APPROVALS, AND THEY'VE BEEN SELLING OUT EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THAT. 
          PRETTY GOOD. 
          SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE LIKE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FINISH ON A TIGHTER LOT. 
          UH, AND THE PRICES HAVE BEEN HIGHER FOR THIS. 
          I THINK THEY'RE FIT. 
          THEY 55 50, THESE ARE 55, 55 FOOT LOT. 
          SO THE HIGHER PRICE WITH A HOME, IT HAS MORE FINISH ON IT THAN WHAT A TYPICAL 50 FOOT LOT WOULD HAVE AND THEY'VE BEEN SELLING GOOD. 
          SO WE BUILT THIS THING OUT 
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WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN AFTER THIS, ALL WE HAVE LEFT IS THAT PIECE UP ON THE VERY NORTH THAT WE DON'T QUITE HAVE ENOUGH LAND PRESENTLY TO BUILD THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT WE'RE DEVELOPED, WE'RE DESIGNING THAT SO THAT IF WE GET INTO PINCH WITH LOTS, WE COULD BUILD IT IN ANTICIPATION THAT WE WILL BE GROWING TO THE NORTH. 
          AND AT LEAST WE'D GET ALL THE LOTS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          THAT'S OUR REAL PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK OUR INVENTORY AT TODAY'S LIKE 20 LOTS THAT AREN'T SOLD. 
          SO THAT'S, WE'VE NEVER BEEN THAT LOW IN ALL THE YEARS. 
          WE GOT BEHIND LAST YEAR, I TOLD YOU WE SLOWED UP BECAUSE WE THOUGHT COVID WAS GOING TO HAVE A BIG IMPACT AND IT DID, BUT THE OPPOSITE IT'S WE SOLD MORE HOMES, YOU KNOW, NOT LESS THAN SO WE'RE READY RIGHT NOW, ALL THAT SECTION SIX THAT YOU, YOU ALL APPROVED THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE'RE GETTING READY TO PAY HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK. 
          WOW. 
          SO WE'LL GET THE CURVES AND PAVING AND THE BUILDERS ARE ALREADY PRE-SELLING INTO THAT SECTION. 
          SO 92 LOTS, HOPEFULLY THAT GETS US THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE WINTER IN THE SPRING. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY BUILD THAT TOP PART OUT AND WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THE NEXT PIECE OF THIS, TO THE NORTH. 
          UM, BEEN A GOOD YEAR. 
          AWESOME. 
          I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS FARGO THE FLIGHT? THE WHAT, WHAT SIZE IS THAT PIECE OF LAND? THAT'S FIVE ACRES. 
          FIVE ACRES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WAS LISTENING, BUT I WASN'T QUITE SURE. 
          YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT'S BEING, WE'RE GETTING READY TO CLOSE IT WITH REDWOOD. 
          I KNOW. 
          BUT THEN DO WHAT WITH IT. 
          DON'T BUILD APARTMENTS ON IT APART. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN I SAY CLOSER, WE'RE GETTING READY TO SELL IT THE RIGHT WAY. 
          SO REDWOOD HAS ALL THE APART. 
          SO THE PIECE THAT'S, SCOTT'S RED, PINK COLOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE LOTS ON IT. 
          THAT'S ALL THE APARTMENTS BEHIND THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LAKE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S ALL THOSE RANCH STYLE APARTMENTS. 
          THEY'LL BUILD THAT SAME PRODUCT RIGHT OVER INTO THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SONY CASE IN HEARING? NO ONE GOT HIS ASK. 
          UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION? DO YOU HAVE SOME, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT DEC LAND COMPANY, ONE LLC FOR APPROVAL, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SECTION TWO, PHASE FIVE OF THE CARIES TRAILS DEVELOPMENT ZONING CASE 21 DASH 23 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED AUGUST 4TH, 2021. 
          AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MISS OP, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MS. VARGO SECRETARY YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 
          MR. JEFFERIES. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. WALL. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO NEXT ON THE AGENDA AND ANY ADDITIONAL BUSINESS. 
          WE HAVE A APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          THE PLANE COMMISSIONS, UH, UH, JUNE 29TH, 2021 WILL BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTIONS. 
          YOU'RE NO OBJECTIONS. 
          THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS IN CALENDAR REVIEW. 
          MR.  CASKEY. 
          OUR NEXT MEETING, WE HAVE ONE, WELL, WE HAVE A SET OF THREE CASES, BUT THEY'RE ALL RELATED. 
          UM, THE BROAD REACH PROJECTS, UH, THAT'S THE, UM, APARTMENT PIECE, THE RETAIL PIECE, AND A PLAT PIECE FOR THAT RECORD PLANT. 
          SO THAT'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          AWESOME. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND HEARING NOTHING? WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATION THIS WEEK.
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