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OKAY.[1. Call The Meeting To Order - Mayor Jeff Gore]
HEY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.UH, THIS IS THE CVB HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL MEETING, REGULAR SESSION, AUGUST 9TH, 2021.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT 7:00 PM.
THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
I PASTOR RANDY GRIFFITH AT THE FREE METHODIST CHURCH AT 1675 OLD TROY PIKE HERE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS.
JESUS SAID IN JOHN EIGHT, IF YOU HOLD TO MY TEACHING, YOU ARE REALLY MY FOLLOWERS.
THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
AND HIS BOOK LIVE NOT BY LIES.
ROD DREHER WROTE ON THE DAY OF HIS MOSCOW ARREST, FEBRUARY 12TH, 1974, ALEXANDER SOLDIER DAVIDSON PUBLISHED WHAT WOULD BE HIS FINAL MESSAGE TO THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT EXILED HIM.
HE URGED THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE TO LIVE NOT BY LIES.
WHAT DID IT MEAN TO LIVE BY LIES? IT MEANT ACCEPTING WITHOUT PROTEST, ALL THE FALSE AND PROPAGANDA THAT THE STATE COMPELLED ITS CITIZENS TO AFFIRM, OR AT LEAST NOT TO OPPOSE TO GET ALONG PEACEABLY UNDER TOTALITARIANISM.
EVERYBODY SAYS THAT THEY HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT TO CONFORM SAYS SOLDIER KNUDSEN AND TO ACCEPT POWERLESSNESS.
BUT THAT IS THE LIE THAT GIVES ALL OTHER LIES.
THE ORDINARY MAN MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OVERTURN THE KINGDOM OF LIES, BUT HE CAN AT LEAST SAY THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO BE ITS LOYAL SUBJECT.
PAUL WRITES IN FIRST THESSALONIANS, TEST EVERYTHING, HOLD ON TO THE GOOD, AVOID EVERY KIND OF EVIL MAY GOD HIMSELF, THE GOD OF PEACE PURIFY YOU THROUGH AND THROUGH MAY YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT, SOUL, AND BODY BE KEPT BLAMELESS AT THE RETURN OF OUR LORD.
THE ONE WHO CALLS YOU IS FAITHFUL AND HE WILL DO IT.
WE'RE THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE THE ONE IN CHARGE OF ALL THINGS.
WE ASK FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE EVERY HEART AND EVERY MIND THAT'S IN CHRIST'S NAME, WE PRAY.
STATES OF AMERICA STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.
MR. ROGERS, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. SHAW HERE? MS. BAKER HERE.
MR. WEBB BEAR, MAYOR GORE HERE.
[5. Approval Of Minutes]
NEXT UP IS THAT NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ITEM FIVE, EIGHT OR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 26, 21.
THESE MISSILES, SAME AS APPROVED.
ANY CORRECTIONS NEED TO BE NUTTED.
THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
IS THAT NUMBER SIX SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS MR. ROGERS? UH, THERE ARE NONE IN THIS EVENING MAYOR.
[7. Citizens Comments]
UP WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS CITIZENS COMMENTS.FIRST UP WE HAVE MRS. CINDY SMITH.
UH, MY SON, AN EMAIL TO EVERYONE.
I HOPE THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO READ A STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD CITIZENS REQUESTING THE HOUSES AND SECTION NINE OF THE OAK SPEEDY NOT BE ISSUED A FINAL PERMIT BY THE CITY UNTIL THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH ALL CITY CODES AND ORDINANCES.
THE HOUSE BEING CONSTRUCTED AT 30 13, BAROQUE IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH ORDINANCE 1405 OF 2003.
THE HOUSE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 25% OF THE ENTIRE EXTERIOR BE BRICK STONE OR MASONRY.
HOWEVER, FOR IT TO BE MASONRY, IT MUST FOLLOW A PLANNING AND ZONING CODE 11 81, 20 D THREE, WHICH STATES OTHER APPROVED MASONRY TYPE OF MATERIAL MEANS MASONRY MATERIAL APPROVED IN ADVANCE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO AS TO BE HARMONIOUS AND APPROPRIATE IN APPEARANCE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE GENERAL VICINITY.
SO THIS SUCH USE WILL NOT CHANGE THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SAME AREA.
THE HOUSE IS COVERED COMPLETELY AND A FIBER CEMENT BOARD
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PRODUCT, WHICH IS CALLED HARDY BOARD, WHICH WAS NOT APPROVED IN ADVANCED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR USE IN THE OAKS.BUT WE REQUEST THE CITY NOT ISSUE THIS HOUSE, A FINAL PERMIT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
ONE FIBER CEMENT BOARD WAS NOT APPROVED AND ADVANCED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR USE AS A MASONRY TYPE OF MATERIAL IN THE OAKS PUD FIBER CEMENT BOARD IS COMPOSED OF CEMENT AND WOOD.
IT IS NOT A 100% MASONRY PRODUCT TO EVERY EXISTING HOUSE.
AND OUR PUD HAS BRICK OR STONE ON THE FRONT HOUSES HAVE EITHER A 25, 50 OR 100% BRICK STONE OR MASONRY REQUIREMENT AND ALL EXISTING HOUSES FULFILL THOSE THAT REQUIREMENT WITH EITHER BRICK OR STONE AS NO MASONRY WAS APPROVED IN ADVANCE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THREE, NO OTHER HOUSE HAS AN EXTERIOR THAT IS COMPOSED SOLELY OF A SIGHTING TYPE MATERIAL ON THE HARDY WEBSITE.
THEY CITE THEIR MATERIAL AS A REPLACEMENT FOR A VINYL OR WOOD SIDING, NOT AS A REPLACEMENT FOR BRICK OR STONE, NUMBER FOUR, THIS HOUSE WITH NO BRICK OR STONE FAILS TO MEET THE HARMONIOUS AND APPROPRIATE AND APPEARANCE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE GENERAL VICINITY.
SO THIS SUCH SHOOTS WILL NOT CHANGE THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA REQUIREMENT.
THE HOUSE IS DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT IN APPEARANCE AND CHARACTER AND FIVE, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION, ALL HOUSES IN SECTION NINE NEED TO HAVE EXTERIOR'S OF TWENTY-FIVE 50 OR 100% BRICK OR STONE FOR THESE REASONS, EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR JOINTLY REQUEST THAT THE CITY ENFORCED THE APPLICABLE CODES AND ORDINANCES AND NOT ISSUE A FINAL PERMIT FOR THIS HOUSE OR ANY OTHER HOUSE IN OUR PUD, UNLESS THEY ARE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH ALL CODES AND ORDINANCES.
THE STATEMENT IS DATED WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 4TH, AND OVER 160 CITIZENS OF THE OAKS HAVE LISTED THEIR NAMES ON STATEMENT.
AND I SENT THAT LIST OF NAMES TO ALL OF YOU, INCLUDING MR. ROGERS.
AND I ALSO SENT IT TO MR. KOSKI.
SO I STOOD IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL TWO WEEKS AGO AND ADDRESSED THIS VERY SAME CONCERN TODAY.
I HAVE SEEN NO CHANGE IN THE HOUSE AT 30 13 BAROQUE.
IT IS STILL COMPLETELY COVERED IN HARDY BOARD AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF FRUSTRATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING REGARDING THIS HOUSE OR THE REMAINDER OF THE HOUSES TOO, OR ANYTHING REGARDING THIS HOUSE OR THE REMAINDER OF THE HOUSES BEING BUILT.
WE'VE NOT HEARD OF, THERE'LL BE HELD TO THE SAME CODES AND ORDINANCES WE'VE BEEN HELD TO.
AND WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.
SO I ASKED SPECIFICALLY HAS THE HOUSE AT 13, AT 30 13 BAROQUE RECEIVED A FINAL PERMIT.
SCOTT THERE'VE BEEN NO HOUSES IN SECTION NINE THAT I'VE RECEIVED.
THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS SINCE HARDY BOARD WAS NOT PRE-APPROVED AS A MASONRY PRODUCT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN ADVANCE, WHY IS IT BEING ALLOWED TO BE, UM, THAT HOUSE AT 30 13, I WILL I'LL ADDRESS THIS.
UH, SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION HERE.
SO I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN.
AND THIS IS, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME OTHER PEOPLE GONNA KIND OF, I THINK ONE OF THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ISSUE AND I WAS I'LL WAIT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.
SO I THINK WHAT, AND WHAT I WOULD ASK THIS, UH, COUNCIL TO DO IS I THINK WE NEED TO GET, UM, WITH SCOTT AND STAFF AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, UM, IF THERE WAS NO ADVANCE NOTICE, WAS THE, WAS THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT ORDINANCE BY STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION WRONG? OR IS IT AN ACTUAL VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE? SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT.
SO THE REASON NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET IS BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL HASN'T MET AS A BODY REALLY AFTER, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, THAN THE WORK SESSION, WHERE THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD TO MOVE THIS ON, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME TO ADDRESS IT.
AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT DISCUSSION TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND THEN HAVE COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SESSION.
BUT THEN I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
ACTUALLY WE'D HAVE STAFF REVISIT THAT ORDINANCE AND DETERMINE WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT ORDINANCE SAYS.
SO ONCE KIND OF ONCE THAT'S DONE AND WE HAVE THE DIRECTION OF STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT, THEN I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO, IS COUNCIL GOING TO MAKE A DECISION TO EITHER NOT ISSUE THE PERMIT OR FORCE THEM TO GO BACK AND,
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UM, AND PUT, YOU KNOW, PUT 25% BRICK OR STONE, UH, ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE.SO IT'S JUST THE PROCESS WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
UM, WELL, AS YOU ARE WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THOUGH, IS THERE ANYTHING STOPPING THEM FROM PUTTING ADDITIONAL HARDY BOARD UP? HAD THEY BEEN ADVISED BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO SEE THEM PUT HARDY BOARD UP ON FIVE HOUSES AND THEN MUTUAL.
SO I THINK IT'S THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE AS A, AS A, AS A MO USE AS A MODEL, RIGHT.
SO I THINK EVEN FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN UNDERSTAND AS A DEVELOPER, WHY YOU WOULD, OR A BUILDER, YOU WOULD BUILD THE HOUSE THAT PROBABLY NOBODY IS GOING TO BUY.
THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT SOME STONE.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT A HOUSE THAT LOOKS A HUNDRED PERCENT LIKE IT'S VINYL SIDING FROM A DISTANCE.
SO BEING IN THAT'S THE MODEL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING TO SELL THE REST OF THEM, UM, I'M SURPRISED MYSELF THAT THEY JUST CHOSE A HUNDRED PERCENT HARDY BOARD, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M NOT THE BUILDER, BUT I THINK WE WILL GET TO A POINT TO ADD THIS TO THE, WE'LL ADD THIS TO THE WORK SESSION THAT HAPPENS ON TUESDAY.
AND WE WILL HAVE THAT OPEN DISCUSSION HERE.
AND, AND IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ADVISE OUR STAFF TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT ORDINANCE ALL PIECES OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND IS IT A VIOLATION OR IS IT MISINTERPRETATION, EVEN IF IT'S A MISINTERPRETATION, THEN COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO REVISIT AND RE PASS LEGISLATION TO REWRITE THAT ORDINANCE THAT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR, UM, WHICH MIGHT NOT BE A BAD THING.
AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN FORCE THEM TO, UM, TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
SO YEAH, THE QUESTION IS WILL NO PERMITS BE ISSUED UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS? YEAH, I THINK WE'VE TALKED AND WE'RE NOT, YEAH.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ISSUING ANYTHING UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THIS, GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS, FURTHER CITIZEN INPUT, BE ALLOWED AT THE WORK SESSION.
UM, AT THE, WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION AGAIN, I W YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE SOME, SOMEONE TO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY.
I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL IS GOING OR, OR LEADING, OR KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THAT THOUGHT IS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THE INTENT BEHIND THE, UM, BUYING THE LEGISLATION AND THE ORDINANCE, I THINK THE INTENT OF IT WAS NOT TO ALLOW WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP THERE CURRENTLY.
UM, AND THIS COUNCIL, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T FIT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, YES, WE MAY, WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE I SAW A SOLD SIGN TODAY ON A HOUSE.
AND, UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT WHOEVER BOUGHT THAT HOUSE HAS ALREADY DECIDED WHAT KIND OF SIDING IS GOING TO BE ON THERE.
AND SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT SIDING IS AND IF THAT IS A DUPLICATION OF WHAT THEY HAVE ON.
AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO START SELLING PRETTY QUICKLY, AND THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 10 OF THEM IN THERE THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS BY COUNCIL TO, TO, UH, UH, TO ARRANGE A SPECIAL WORK SESSION SOONER THAN, THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED ON, ON TUESDAY CURRENTLY? YEP.
GLENN, I WOULD ASK SCOTT, HOW LONG, WHAT DID IT TAKE YOU TO GATHER THE INFORMATION THAT YOUR NEED IS A WEEK OR JUST A FEW DAYS? UM, WELL, WHILE I'M, UM, FOR THE QUESTION OF THAT, THERE'S SOLD HOUSES TOMORROW MORNING, I CAN FIND OUT WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE THAT WERE PRESENTED.
SO I CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE ALL THAT'S ON A DETOX PLOT PLAN, RIGHT.
RUNNING DETAILED DEVELOPMENTS, CORRECT.
OR THE PLOT PLAN OF THE HOUSE YES.
WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE.
SO, UM, BUT THEN, UM, AFTER THAT, THAT DISCUSSION IS LIKE THAT MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN A PUD, UM, THAT'S, UH, CALLS OUT MASONRY AND HOW THAT FITS.
WE ALSO NEED TO REVIEW THE DECISION RECORD FROM THE PLANNING, MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO SEE WHAT THEY APPROVED.
SO SCOTT, IF YOU FIND OUT TOMORROW ON THAT PLOT PLAN, THAT THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE SOLD.
THAT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME WITH NO STONE.
THEN I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO MEET SOONER THAN LATER TO, TO MOVE THIS THROUGH AN OFFICIAL PROCESS, RATHER THAN WAIT TILL TUESDAY, IF THAT PARTICULAR LOT AND PLOT PLAN DOESN'T HAVE, I MEAN, HAS SOME STONE OR, OR WHATEVER, THEN WE COULD PROBABLY WAIT TILL, WAIT TILL TUESDAY.
SO WHY DON'T YOU, IF YOU LET US KNOW TOMORROW, WHAT YOU FIND OUT AND THAT'LL DICTATE OUR ACTIONS, HOW SOON, HOW SOON WE REACT.
YOU WANT TO CHECK ON THE ROOM AVAILABLE? YEP.
SO TRY TO GET SOMETHING SCHEDULED, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING, ABSOLUTELY.
EVERYONE WILL KNOW, AND ANYBODY WOULD WELCOME TO COME TO THAT.
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THANK YOU, MAYOR.UM, AS, UH, MRS. SMITH DID READ EXCERPTS OF HER, UM, OF HER EMAIL, I WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, UH, ENTER INTO RECORD, UH, MRS. SMITH'S ENTIRE EMAIL, AS WELL AS THE OVER 100 SIGNERS, UH, AND TO THE MINUTES AND TO THE UPCOMING WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM AS WELL.
UM, IF I MAY CONTINUE, UM, MR. MCDONALD, WHAT WOULD, UM, IF THIS BUILDER IS MOVING FORWARD, UM, AGAINST PERCEIVED ORDINANCE AND BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, WHAT TYPE OF ACTIONS DO WE HAVE AS A COUNCIL? SINCE WE ARE MEETING HERE AS A PUBLIC BODY TONIGHT, UM, TO, UM, ADVISE THAT BUILDER THAT THEY NEED TO STOP ANY AND ALL WORK UNTIL, UH, THE CITY HAS REVIEWED THE PLANS AND DETAILS.
UH, TECHNICAL COUNSEL DOESN'T HAVE REALLY THE ABILITY TO STOP A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND SO IT'S, THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCES.
WE WOULD POTENTIALLY ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER, BUT THAT WOULD BE STAFF-DRIVEN BASED ON WHAT THE CODE IS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THE CODE, LOOK INTO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN FACT IN VIOLATION.
ONCE WE DETERMINE THAT WE CAN SAY, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION STOP, AND YOU CAN, YOU NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT, UH, SOME AMBIGUITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE HAVE TO REWRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT'S WHERE COUNSEL WOULD COME IN AS TO, OKAY, HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THIS GOING FORWARD, GOING FORWARD.
AND PART OF THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW.
AND THE OTHER PART I WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY JUST FOR THE PUBLIC ON THAT, UM, AS A, AS SCOTT IS WORKING UP THE INFORMATION, JERRY, UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO REVERT BACK TO A 2007 ORDINANCE AND A 2007? UM, I'M SORRY, 2011 INFORMATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH REGARDS TO MASONARY MATERIALS AND PROVIDE A TIMELINE ON THAT, UM, FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
THE QUESTIONS RELEASED AT THIS POINT REGARDING MS. SMITH SAID, OKAY, NEXT NEXT WE HAVE MR. STEVEN.
I'M STEVE RYBICKI AND I LIVE ON WHITE OAK WAY IN THE OAKS.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT WAS JUST ADDRESSED, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER, A FEW QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER AREA THAT BUTTRESSES UP AGAINST THE OAKS.
I USUALLY GO THROUGH MR. LYONS, OUR WARD REP ASK HIM QUESTIONS.
AND BACK IN APRIL, UH, BETWEEN OAKRIDGE DRIVE AND CHAMBERSBURG, THOSE HOUSES, THERE'S A SWATH OF LAND OF TREES.
AND BACK IN APRIL AND BEFORE THAT THE OWNER WAS TAKEN DOWN A LOT OF THE OLD WOOD, WHICH OKAY.
WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT'S HIS WOOD.
UH, BUT I ASKED MR. LYONS ASKED MR.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET TO IT FROM CHAMBERSBURG OR FROM OUR AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT SMALL PATH THAT SOME CALLED EGRESS.
AND AT THE TIME I GOT THE EMAIL BACK FROM MR. LYONS, THAT IT WAS IN THE PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT A DEVELOPER HAS NOT BEEN CHOSEN YET.
SO MY QUESTION, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS IT STILL PLANNED FOR DEVELOPMENT? IS IT HOUSING? AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD BE THE ENTRY WAY TO THAT AREA? YOU CAN'T ENTER IT FROM CHAMBERSBURG CAN ENTER IT FROM BRENT PIKE.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, IF IT'S NOT STILL UP FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHOEVER TOOK THAT WOOD OUT, WE HAD THE YELLOW POLE THAT WAS INSERTED THERE EITHER BY THE CITY THAT WAS JUST TAKEN OUT OF THE GROUND OUT OF THE ASPHALT AND TOSSED INTO THE WOODS.
SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING THAT.
AND THEN THE THIRD QUESTION IS, AND WE'VE ASKED THIS THROUGH OUR HOA A FEW TIMES, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY MAINTAINING THE PATHWAY AND THE, AND THE OVERGROWTH IS THAT THE OWNER OF THE LAND IS IT.
AND I'VE HEARD THROUGH RUMORS.
WELL, IT'S EAGERNESS THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'M A HONE OVER AND DP AND L HAS AN EGRESS TO MY AREA, BUT THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CUTTING THE GRASS AROUND THEIR EGRESS ON MY LAND.
SO WHY IS THE HOA, WOULD WE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE EGRESS OF THAT PATHWAY? I'M THINKING IT WOULD BE THE LANDOWNER WHERE THAT PATH GOES THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF OVERGROWTH.
SOME OF THE TREES YOU CUT DOWN ARE NOW PRECARIOUSLY FALLING OVER THE PATHWAY THAT COULD FALL ON SOMEONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS IT UNDER DEVELOPMENT? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POLE AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING IT UP.
SO I WOULD, UM, APPRECIATE THE DRESS.
NOW I WOULD GO TO SCOTT, SCOTT, IF THERE'S ANGER, I MEAN, YOU CAN ANSWER IT TONIGHT.
PLEASE DO IS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO GET INFORMATION.
AND I UNDERSTAND IF IT TAKES SOME TIME, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU.
OR AT LEAST TWO OF THEM, THE FIRST ONE, THE YELLOW POLE.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO I WILL NEED TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT POLL YOU'RE.
SO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PATHWAY, SIR, UM, THERE'S A YELLOW CONCRETE POLE THAT GOES INTO THE GROUND THAT PREVENTS CARS FROM
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DRIVING THROUGH.NOW, THE ONE ON CHAMBERSBURG WHEN THEY DID THE SIDEWALK, THEY TOOK OUT, BUT THEY REPLACED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE CITY, BUT ON THE OAK RIDGE SIDE, THAT YELLOW POLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET TALL.
IT'S ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 10 INCHES IN DIAMETER.
IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE GROUND AND THEN JUST TOSSED INTO THE WOODS.
SO A TRUCK THAT WAS REMOVING THE LOGS COULD GO BACK AND FORTH.
UM, SO FORM THE DEVELOPMENT END.
UM, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE, THERE IS NOT A DEVELOPER.
IT IS APPROVED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE FOR ESTATE, LOTS GOT STATE TYPE LOTS.
SO THE ACCESS COULD BE FROM BOTH WAYS THAT IS A 30 FOOT WIDE ACCESS POINT.
THAT GOES FROM THE, THE, THE OAKS OUT TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD THAT A DRIVEWAY COULD GO ON.
AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
SO, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK.
IF THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEY WILL COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND YOU'LL GET NOTIFIED THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
NOW THAT'S A EASEMENT THAT GOES THROUGH IN THAT PATH THAT WAS APPROVED BY, UH, THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, AS PART OF THE HOA.
IT'S THE HOS RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE OAKS OUT TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
AND THE HOA HAS BEEN PUT UNDER VIOLATION FOR THAT, FOR, UM, THE CLEARING OF THAT AREA.
SO THAT IS PART OF THE HLA DOCS.
SO EVEN IF THE OWNER CUT DOWN CERTAIN TREES THAT ARE NOW CROSSING OVER TO THE PATHWAY, IT'S STILL OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAN THAT UP.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE PATH CLEAR.
UM, AND I THINK THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER WAS TRYING TO PROBABLY TRYING TO HELP, UM, ON THAT IF, UH, IF THERE WERE OVERHANGING ON THAT, BUT IT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOA TO KEEP THAT MAINTAINED.
I LIVE ON, UH, JANETTA STREET.
WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH A LIFT STATION THAT WAS INSTALLED IN 2005.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS LIFT STATION BETWEEN THREE RESIDENTS SINCE 2014 AND CANNOT COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT.
WE'VE TRIED ADDRESSING IT WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE CITY, AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD THERE'S A CONTRACT IN PLACE.
AND THEN I GOT TOLD THERE'S A RESOLUTION IN PLACE.
AND THEN I GOT ADVISED TO COME TO THIS MEETING TO SEE IF I CAN HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL, ADD IT TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO TRY ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
THE LIFT STATION WAS BUILT DIRECTLY ON A PROPERTY LINE.
SO THERE IS NO OWNERSHIP OF THE SLIP STATION.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS IN MY YARD.
I'VE CONTACTED THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THEY TOLD ME I AM NOT ALLOWED TO REACTIVATE THE, UM, SEPTIC TANK THAT'S IN MY YARD.
ONCE WE ARE ON CITY SEWER, WE ARE REQUIRED TO STAY ON CITY SEWER.
I CONTACTED CORRECT PLUMBING TO TRY FINDING ANOTHER LIFT STATION AND BYPASS THE CURRENT ONE THAT'S SITTING THERE.
I WAS INFORMED THAT HE WAS INFORMED BY THE CITY ENGINEER THAT THE SEWER SYSTEM IS MAXED OUT ON THE TAP.
I WOULD HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH A NEIGHBOR, TEAR UP THEIR YARD AND TAP INTO THEIR SEWER IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE CITY SEWER LINE THROUGH ANOTHER NEIGHBORS SEWER SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, SINCE THE SEPTIC TANK OR THE LIFT STATION IS 50% IN MY YARD, IF IT OVERFLOWS AGAIN, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TWICE SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE IN EIGHT YEARS, ALL FINE FROM THE EPA AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IT STILL FALLS ON MY RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S IN MY YARD.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO BYPASS THIS CONTRACT THAT STATES THAT THIS WILL REMAIN IN PRIVATE HANDS.
IT WAS FIRST ADDRESSED BY THE LA ROSE.
WHEN THEY OWN THE FIVE ACRE PLOT AT THE END OF JANETTA STREET, SINCE THEN THEY HAVE SOLD OFF ALL FOUR PLOTS.
THEY OWN NONE OF IT, BUT THEY HOLD THIS CONTRACT WITH THE CITY THAT SAYS THIS LIFT STATION SHALL REMAIN PRIVATE.
WE'VE TRIED GETTING THE THREE RESIDENTS THAT ARE TIED TO THIS LIST, THIS LIST STATION.
AND WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT SAID, AS SOON AS YOU MENTIONED THE WORD LAWYER, WE REFUSE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
HE PUT THE ELECTRIC BILL IN HIS NAME AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT I PAY.
AND HE REFUSES TO GIVE US ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT HE'S PAYING D P AND L.
THE AGREEMENT WE HAD IS WE HAD THE LOGIN AND THE PASSWORD TO ACCESS THE ACCOUNT.
AND L SAYS, I HAVE NO LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE YOU ACCESS TO MY ACCOUNT.
AND I HAVE NOT PAID THAT BILL IN OVER TWO YEARS NOW BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO GIVE ME ANY ACCESS OR SHOW ME WHAT ANY OF THE MONTHLY BILLS ARE FOR THAT LIFT STATION.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SINCE 2014 ONE PUMP IS SHOT.
EVERY TIME YOU RESET THE CIRCUIT BREAKER, IT POPS IMMEDIATELY.
THE SECOND PUMP IS RUNNING 24 7.
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THE FLOAT IS STUCK.WHEN I TALKED TO CORRECT PLUMBING, THEY SAID DUE TO THE DEPTH OF THE LIFT STATION, THAT IS A CONFINED SPACE.
THEY HAVE TO PUMP AIR DOWN THERE, PUT A GUY IN THE HOLE.
IT'S GONNA COST ME $750 JUST TO PUT A GUY IN THE HOLE TO FIND OUT THE STATUS OF THE PUMPS.
WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW THAT IF THIS PUMP BURNS UP THE LAST TIME IT OVER, OR THE FIRST TIME IT OVERFLOWED, IT TOOK ONE MONTH AT THE ONE MONTH PARK, IT FILLED UP THE LIFT STATION ALL THE WAY UP AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP, OVERFLOWED OUT THE TOP.
AND IT WAS RUNNING DOWN THE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
IT TAKES THAT LONG FOR IT TO FILL UP BETWEEN THE THREE HOUSES WE'RE ASKING TO HAVE, UH, THIS ADDED TO WORK SESSION, TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO EITHER GET THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THIS PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN IT, OR IF THERE'S ANY WAY, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO DIFFERENT AVENUES.
IS THERE ANY WAY THE CITY CAN TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY OF IT AND THE MANAGEMENT OF IT, AND THEN ADD THE ELECTRIC BILL AND THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP TO EITHER OUR PROPERTY TAXES OR A SURCHARGE TO OUR, UM, WATER AND WASTE BILL UNDER ADVISEMENT.
I'M ASKING IF YOU GUYS CAN ADD THIS TO ONE OF YOUR WORK SESSIONS TO SEE IF WE CAN COME WITH AN AGREEABLE WAY TO STOP ONE PERSON FROM CONTROLLING THIS.
AND BASICALLY WE'RE UNDER HIS SAY, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS WORKED OUT PEACEFULLY.
IT HASN'T WORKED SINCE 2014 WHEN WE FIRST STARTED ADDRESSING IT.
WHEN I ADDRESSED IT WITH THE, UM, CITY ENGINEER, HE SAID, UNLESS IT RE, UM, SERVICES, 50 HOUSES, HE'S NOT CONCERNED WITH IT, IT'LL REMAIN PRIVATE.
SO EVERY TIME I TALKED TO THE CITY, I COULD REFER TO THE SAME ENGINEER.
THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS SEE IF I CAN GET THIS CONTRACT CHANGED OR THE RESOLUTION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT NOW AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS THING.
SO EACH INDIVIDUAL WOULD GET THEIR OWN SEPARATE BILL INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON CONTROLLING ON MONOPOLY ON THE LIFT STATION, WHICH NONE OF US OWN.
UH, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, UH, ENGINEER AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOTS OF ISSUES GOING ON HERE THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE TO GET OUR LAW DIRECTOR INVOLVED IN, UH, REGARDING CONTRACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS SCOTT, HAVE YOU HEARD JERRY KIND OF REVIEW THE CONTRACT, UM, LOOK AT, I'M ASSUMING THAT, UH, MR. BERGMAN IS WHO, UH, HAS BEEN TALKED TO AND, AND MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING, UH, KEEPING IT THE WAY THAT IT IS.
UH, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING HOW THAT CONTRACT READS, WHAT CAN BE DONE, UH, COUNSEL HEARING KIND OF WHAT THE SPLIT, THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE NOW AT THIS POINT.
UH, BUT I WOULD NEED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BASIS OF THAT CONTRACT IS.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE, UH, IF THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THERE THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY RESOLVE, THEN ABSOLUTELY WE WILL PUT IT ON WORK SESSION TO, TO DISCUSS THAT AND THEN HAVE COUNSEL GIVE, YOU KNOW, GIVE DIRECTION, HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT.
UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED SOME INFORMATION REGARDING ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MR. ROONEY HAS ACTUALLY SPECIFIED HERE THIS EVENING TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS OUR, IS OUR NEXT ACTION, SO TO SPEAK.
SO JERRY, IF YOU COULD REVIEW THAT SCOTT, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE, OR THOSE CONTRACTS ARE, OR THEY EXIST, UH, UH, TO FIND THOSE AND, AND LET'S GET A LEGAL OPINION ON WHAT ACTUALLY CAN BE DONE.
AND THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE FROM THERE.
I'M WONDERING IF WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD BY THE ORIGINAL OWNER WHO SET UP THE CONTACT, DID THE CONTRACT BECOME NULL AND VOID? NO.
MY RECOLLECTION IS IT'S RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY.
MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT IT'S RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY, SO IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
UM, THE LIFT STATION IS PRIVATE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
IS IT, UH, BUILT ACROSS PROPERTY LINES? I'M JUST ASKING FOR VERIFICATION IF YOU KNOW, OR NOT.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT LOCATION OF IT.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW IT DOES SERVE THREE HOUSES.
SO THE EXACT LOCATION, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED IS AT LEAST CLOSE TO ONE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UM, MR. RICHIE, IS THAT RIGHT? RUPTURING.
UM, IS, IS HE MADE THE STATEMENT? HE IS NOT TIED INTO THAT
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LIFT STATION RIGHT NOW.HE'S TIED INTO THE CITY SEWER RIGHT NOW.
THEN IT GOES TO THE LIFT STATION, ALL THREE HOUSES GO TO THE LIFT STATION AND THEN GOES TO THE CITY SEWER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU, MYSELF TO BE PULLED OFF THAT LIFT STATION AND BE ISOLATED FROM IT.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET IT LIFT STATION, PUT IN MY YARD AND THEN PUMPED TO THE CITY SEWER.
ENGINEER SAID THAT TAP HAS MAXED OUT AND I WOULD HAVE TO GET INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS IN ORDER TO TAP INTO HIS SEWER LINE BECAUSE THE END OF THE SEWER LINE IS RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, SO BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE NEXT WORKSTATION SESSION, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW, UH, WHERE, WHICH PROPERTIES THAT FALLS ON AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? YES.
AND JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP, UH, THE, THE PART ABOUT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE COULD HAVE THEIR OWN GRINDER PUMP AND PUMP TO DOWN THE STREET IN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO CONNECT INTO THE SEWER.
UM, SO I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH MR. BERGMAN ABOUT THE MAXED OUT PART, BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A WAY THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL COULD PUMP TO THE SANITARY, BUT THERE'S A COST TO THAT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT TO US.
IT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND STAFF'S GOING TO COME PREPARED FOR THAT AT THAT TIME.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. JERRY VINSON, THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY, UH, REQUESTS.
UM, I LIVE ON BLACK DRIVE, WHICH ONLY ABOUT THREE BLOCKS AWAY AND WE'RE HAVING ENTIRELY TOO MANY HIT AND RUN ACCIDENTS ON OUR STREET.
I'VE LIVED OUT THERE 55 YEARS AND WE'VE HAD BETWEEN 10 AND 12 HIT AND RUN ACCIDENTS.
ONLY TWO PEOPLE STUCK AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO GIVE US THEIR INSURANCE.
THE REST OF THE TIME WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND ORDER THE, UH, PAY FOR THE INSURANCE.
AND ANYWAY, HERE OF LATE, IT'S GETTING A LOT WORSE.
UH, WHENEVER IT CAME TO IT, UH, THIS WEEK, OR THIS WEEK, THIS MONTH, I'VE HAD BOB MIRROR KNOCKED OFF OF A TRUCK AND THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET, UH, IN A MONTH AND A HALF HAD HIS, UH, VAN TOTALED.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, UH, IN RECENT HISTORY, MY, UM, IN ORDER TO GET IT RIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A TELEPHONE POLE, A LIGHT POLE OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN HIT AT LEAST SIX TIMES.
THEY HAD REPLACE IT BACK ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO, WE CALL IT WAS, UH, UH, THERE WAS A DRIVER.
THEY HIT IT SO MUCH FORCE THAT IT KNOCKED THE LIGHT OFF.
AND WHEN THE POLICE GOT THERE, UH, THE WHEELS WAS KNOCKED OFF THE CAR BUMPED AGAINST OUR HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO WHEELS.
AND HERE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITHOUT WHEELS ON THE CAR WHENEVER THE POLICE GOT THERE.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, IT'S GETTING TO BE TOO DANGEROUS FOR THE KIDS.
WE HAVE, UM, TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS TO THREE BLOCKS AWAY FROM OUR HOUSE.
WE HAVE RUSHMORE SCHOOL, NOT ONLY THE SCHOOL, BUT THE PLAYGROUND OVER THERE BEHIND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER HERE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS.
WE HAVE, UH, A PLAYGROUND FOR KIDS, THE KIDS, WHAT THEY'RE DOING UNDER J WALK-IN IN ORDER TO GET THE SCHOOL AND CARS ARE BOUT, READY TO HIT THEM.
UM, IN RECENT YEARS, UM, I'M TALKING A LOT LAST FIVE YEARS, MY SISTER HAS HAD THREE CARS DEMOLISHED, AND, UH, WHENEVER THEY, NO ONE STUCK AROUND, UH, GIVE OUT ANY INFORMATION.
WE CALLED THE POLICE AND THEY NEVER DID FIND OUT WHO DID IT AS THE NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, LIKE I SAID BACK ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF, HIS WAS HIT AND RUN, NEVER DID FIND OUT WHO DID IT A YEAR AGO.
THERE WAS ANOTHER NEIGHBOR THAT HAD HER CAR HIT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY DID, BUT THEY CAME ASKING US, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHO, UH, DID IT.
AND WE, UH, YOU KNOW, NO ONE SAW ANYTHING AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S AT NIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, WHENEVER IT COMES TO THE LIGHT, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT, UH, PEOPLE COULDN'T SEE THEIR CARS CAUSE HER CAR PARKS RUNNING UNDERNEATH THE CITY, UH, LIGHTS.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, UH, LIKE I SAID, HERE
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WE ARE, IS OUR INSURANCE RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP.I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE ON OUR STREET HAS THE SAME INSURANCE COMPANY, WHICH IS STATE FARM.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, IT'S GETTING TO BE RIDICULOUS.
HOW MANY ACCIDENTS WE'RE HAVING IN THAT NOW? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT OR NOT, BUT ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WHAT THE, UH, EDDIE OUT HERE, UH, ENGINEERING, THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT OUT SPEED BUMPS.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? YES.
IT WAS A BUNCH OF WOOL I'M AT, IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THE STREET OVER HERE, BLACK SHEER DRIVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, LET ME, UH, TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO RECOMMEND.
THEY'RE WANTING TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT THE 15 MILES AN HOUR.
AND ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT AT 25 MILES AN HOUR, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE GOING OVER TO SPEED ON IT.
AND, UH, WHENEVER ANOTHER THING THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO IS, UH, PARK ALL THE CARS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE CARS, UH, GO, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH, BUT THE WAY IT IS NOW, UH, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET PASSWORD STREET AND LESSORS TO SMALL CARS IS PULL IN BEHIND SOMEBODY THAT'S PARKED.
SO ANYWAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS THERE.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, WHENEVER IT COMES TO THE KIDS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, OWNER, UH, ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
WE HAVE 10 HOUSES, APPROXIMATELY 10 ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT, UH, DOESN'T HAVE A SECURITY FENCE ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
THE KIDS ASK IF THEY COULD COME THROUGH IN ORDER TO GO TO SCHOOL WITHOUT GOING A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OUT OF THE WAY.
AND WE SAID FINE, BUT WHENEVER THE KIDS, UH, WERE, UH, UH, IN DANGER OF GETTING HIT BY CARS, UH, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A CONTRACT FOR, UH, THREE MONTHS.
UH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SECURITY FENCE PUT UP, NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT THE KIDS DID, BUT WE DON'T WANT, SEE THE KIDS GET HIT OUT IN FRONT OF THE STREET OR ANY PLACE ON OUR SCREEN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO I'LL, LET'S REVIEW A LITTLE BIT KIND OF, OF, OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO ALL OF US UP HERE UNDERSTAND THAT SPEEDING IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY IS BECOMING A PROBLEM AND IT'S BECOMING A BIGGER PROBLEM EVERY WEEK.
IT SEEMS. AND IT WAS MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A, WE HAD A TRAFFIC TOWN HALL HERE AT THE CITY AND OUR POLICE CHIEF WAS HERE AND WE KIND OF WENT OVER AND TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOW OUR CURRENT POLICE FORCE DIVIDES THE CITY UP INTO KIND OF DIFFERENT BEATS AND HOW THEY, UM, HOW THEY PATROL THOSE AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAD, UH, WE HAD ASKED MR.
WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC UNIT THAT WORKS ON TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, OUR WORK SESSION, WE HAD LAST, UH, LAST TUESDAY, HE WAS HERE AND WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND HE HAD KIND OF, HE REQUESTED THREE MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
AND WITH THOSE THREE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, FULL FIVE MEN, UH, WOMEN AND BEATS, OR OFFICERS' ON, ON DIFFERENT BEATS, WE COULD, UH, TYSON OR PUBLIC OR IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS, BUT THE POLICE, UM, COMMUNITY, UH, DEPARTMENT OR PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE POLICE.
SO IT WOULD GIVE THOSE THREE OFFICERS GIVEN A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND WORK IN THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL KIND OF DEPARTMENT.
SO AT THE WORK SESSION THAT WHAT WE DISCUSS WITH MR MCCALSKY, OUR BUDGET PROCESSES IS COMING UP VERY SOON, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT 30, 45 DAYS, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING, UH, THE 20, 22 BUDGET.
SO THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION REGARDING ADDING THREE NEW POLICE OFFICERS TO THE FORCE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 54, THIS WOULD INCREASE IT TO 57.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF, THAT WAS HIS REQUEST THAT WILL HELP ALLOW HIM TO PUT KIND OF A TRY, YOU KNOW, BUILD UP A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT WITH THE CURRENT OFFICERS WITH THE ADDITIONAL THREE MORE OFFICERS.
SO I THINK WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING RE UH, VISITED IN OUR, IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, UH, TO CREATE THOSE THREE POSITIONS FUNDED THOSE POSITIONS THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, I THINK THE ISSUE OF, OF SPEED BUMPS WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UM, AT, AT THAT PARTICULAR TOWN HALL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN NOT TO NOT TO PUT IN SPEED BUMPS.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER THAN THAT, BASED
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ON JUST WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS.IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDING SOME SPEED BUMPS IN ANY SPECIFIC AREAS, THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION THAT COULD, COULD CERTAINLY ENFORCE THAT.
UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND WEIGH THE PROS AND CONS OF WHAT THOSE SPEED BUMPS ARE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THE, SO I THINK FROM A, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, WE ARE CERTAINLY DOING WHAT WE CAN DO FROM, FROM A POLICE PERSPECTIVE TO HELP TRY TO STOP THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE NEVER, NO, AND EVEN IF WE HAD A HUNDRED POLICE OFFICERS, YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN AN ACCIDENT LIKE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO NONE OF THOSE YOU CAN PREDICT, ALL WE CAN DO IS REACT.
AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO LEGISLATION, THERE ARE NO LAWS CREATED THAT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM BEING JERKS.
AND THAT IS REALLY KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
PEOPLE ARE JUST DRIVING AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR SURROUNDINGS OR NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO SPEED LIMITS ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING THEY'RE JUST DRIVING AS FAST AS THEY CAN TO GET FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
SO ALL WE CAN DO IS BE REACTIVE TO THOSE TYPE, TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK, I CERTAINLY FEEL FREE.
I'M, I'M KIND OF IN THE SAME SITUATION.
THEY'RE THE STREETS THAT I HAVE TO GO TO, TO GET TO MY STREET.
UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BUSY AS, AS I SEE CARS COMING AT ME, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN BOTH GET THROUGH THERE BECAUSE CARS ARE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES.
SO SOMEBODY'S GOT TO PULL OVER BEHIND ANOTHER CAR AND LET SOMEONE ELSE PASS.
SO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF SITUATION, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE CITY.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF IN ALL OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND WE HAVE TO JUST KIND OF HOPE AND DEPEND ON PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT AND BE NICE AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND, AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT, NOT EVERYBODY DOES THAT.
NOBODY FOLLOWS THE LAWS, NOT EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE LAWS JUST AS YOU SAID, IF WE MADE THE SPEED LIMIT FIVE MILES AN HOUR, PEOPLE ARE, SO PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO SPEED.
ONE OF THE THINGS, I MEAN, LIKE THAT, I SEE POPPING UP ALL OVER.
A LOT OF ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE ARE DOING, THEY'RE INSTALLING SOME, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS BECAUSE OF ISSUES THEY'RE HAVING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE A SECURITY CAMERA, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXPENSE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO OFFER SOME, UM, SOME ADVICE OR HELP THAT OUTSIDE OF THE LAW AND WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE KIND OF PROACTIVE THAT IF, IF YOU'VE GOT SOME SECURITY CAMERAS AND YOU SEE SOMEBODY THAT HITS IT, THEN AT LEAST WE'D HAVE A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION MAYBE, UH, CONSUME AND, AND GET A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER.
AND THEN POLICE COULD ACTUALLY GO FIND WHO IT WAS THAT DID IT.
AND THEN THAT MIGHT BE THE BURDEN OFF OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PHYSICAL PROOF OF WHO ACTUALLY WAS, UM, THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME AT THAT POINT WHO HIT SOMETHING AND THEN LEFT.
I KNOW THAT IS NOT A GREAT SCENARIO BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO GET SECURITY CAMERAS AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AND DO THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SHORT OF BEING REACTIVE WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN AND THE POLICE SHOWING UP, IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DO THAT.
MY HOPE IS THAT ONCE WE HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS, WE GET, IF WE ADD THREE MORE POLICE OFFICERS AND THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT IS, UM, A PART OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WORD GETS OUT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING BACK AND WAITING FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT WE'RE PROACTIVELY LOOKING AND PATROLLING DIFFERENT AREAS.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT TELLS US THAT, THAT THE BLACK CHER WOULD NEED TO BE PAID, HAD SOME ATTENTION PAID TO IT, IT'S CLOSE TO A SKULL AND EVENING, THEN THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET TO THE POLICE CHIEF, AND THEN THEY CAN DRAW UP THEIR PLANS ON AREAS THEY PATROL BASED ON FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM THE RESIDENTS ON WHAT PARTICULAR STREETS MIGHT NEED THE MOST ATTENTION.
SO THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL DO WITHIN OUR GUIDELINES THAT WE COULD DO TO BE PROACTIVE.
AND I, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ON THAT.
I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS DEFENSIVELY THAT THE NEIGHBORS COULD DO IN TERMS OF SOME, SOME SECURITY CAMERAS.
MAYBE IF IT'S, IF IT'S REALLY BECOMING THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE ON YOUR STREET, TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO IT IS, THAT'S BREAKING THE LAW SO WE CAN CATCH THEM.
WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALL DONE BASICALLY AT NIGHT, WHENEVER IT COMES TO ACCIDENTS, A GOOD EXAMPLE, UH, WAS, UM, IN LAST STUFF FOR YEARS, WE'VE HAD HAD, UM, ONE CAR PARKED OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IT WAS HIT ONE NIGHT CALLED THE POLICE OUT THE NEXT MORNING THEY WROTE OUR ROLLED UP REPORT.
THE NEXT NIGHT THE CAR WAS HIT FROM THE FRONT.
I MEAN, HERE IT IS BOTH DIRECTIONS AND THE CAR WAS PARKED IN THE SAME PLACE I'M AT.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S ON THE POLICE REPORT I'M IN.
AND WHEN IT CAME TO THE GUT ACTIONS WE HAD TO MAKE TO, IF WE WERE TO DECIDE, UH, UH, PAID, UH, $250 DEDUCTIBLE, ONE FROM BEING HIT IN THE BACK, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE DAY AND THE NEXT DAY, UH, IT WAS HIT IN THE FRONT.
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UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE LOOKING TO INSTALL SOME SECURITY CAMERAS SO I COULD FIND OUT WHO'S DOING THAT.SO I COULD THEN WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE, I WASN'T JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF ON A, ON A BLIND HUNT AT THAT POINT, KNOWING THAT SOMETHING WAS HIT.
IF THERE, IF THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW WHO DID IT, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW AN ACCIDENT HAPPENED, BUT, BUT WE NEED IN ORDER FOR US TO FIND AND BRING SOMEBODY TO JUSTICE, WE GOT TO KNOW WHO IT IS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, AT NIGHT, UH, I KNOW THE FIRST THING, UH, THEY SAID, WELL, WHEN THE POLICE OFFICER CAME OUT AND SAID, WELL, IT'S TOO DARK OUT HERE.
I KNOW, HEY, THERE WAS A LIGHT POLE RIGHT ABOVE OUR HOUSE.
I'M IN A CAR PARK ROAD ON ETHER.
WELL, I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
WELL, I THINK SO, SCOTT, LET'S ADD BLACKSHEAR STARTING TO THE LIST.
UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S, YOU KNOW, MAN, I CERTAINLY WANT TO BE, UM, CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC AND EMPATHETIC TO YOUR, TO YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF KNOWS WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE ON BLACK SHEER WITH THAT MANY TYPES OF HIT AND RUNS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE OUR THIRD SHIFT OFFICERS OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA ATTENTION TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE CATCHING LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE, RIGHT.
HAVING AN OFFICER THERE AT THE SAME TIME THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME THROUGH AND, AND HIT SOMEBODY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION, BUT WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND HAVE NO ISSUES RELATING TO THE POLICE CHIEF THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE OR EXCUSE ME, FOR BREAKING IN ON OUR STREET.
WE HARDLY SEE A POLICE OFFICER ONCE A MONTH GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE MOUNT HOOD AREA, THEY'RE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THERE THREE, FOUR TIMES A DAY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, I MEAN, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT REASONS OF WHY THAT, OF WHY THAT COULD BE.
UM, BUT YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE CHIEF KNOWS THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE BUDGET TALKS TO HIRE THREE MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
UH, HOPEFULLY THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT THING CAN BE ESTABLISHED BY THE POLICE CHIEF.
AND THEN WE CAN START ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE ALL KNOW ARE THAT WE'RE HAVING, UM, UH, ONE QUESTION, WOULD IT HELP THE HAVE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I SPOKE TO, UH, SEVERAL OF THEM AND TO SIGN A PETITION AND ORDER, UH, HAVE SPEED BUMPS PUT IN.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IT'S NOT ONLY MY HOUSE IS HIDDEN, BUT, UH, OWNER OR STREET, OR WE'RE CONSTANTLY HEARING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HIT AND RUN, HIT AND RUN.
I MEAN, UH, WOULD IT DO ANY GOOD TO SEND A PETITION, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE SIGN THAT CERTAINLY HELPS? I MEAN, THAT WOULD, I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL THOUGH, THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE SAME, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US REASON TO, TO REVISIT THAT AND LOOK AT THAT.
IF WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM STREET, SO, UM, I CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ABSOLUTELY GO WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I HAD, AND THEY SAID THEY WERE SIGNING A PETITION.
THEY WANTED ME TO BE THE REPRESENTATIVE TO BEGIN WITH, IF IT TAKES THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND SOME SECURITY CAMERAS IN THE MEANTIME.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED MY NAME IS KATE BAKER AND I'M W I'M YOUR WARD REP, AND I'M SORRY TO HEAR THIS HAPPENED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO AGREE WITH MR. GORE THAT EITHER PUTTING CAMERAS IN MAKING SURE THERE'S A POLICE REPORT MADE.
SO THERE'S A PAPER TRAIL, AND WE CAN TRACK THAT AS A CITY, THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM, AND THIS IS OCCURRING.
SO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT A POLICE REPORT IS FILED.
AND THEN I'M ALSO, I WAS GOING TO CORRECT HIM, LIKE MAKE SURE BLACK SHEERS ON THE PATROL LIST.
WELL, UH, THE ONE THING I WONDER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PAPER TRIAL, UH, TRAIL, UH, COULDN'T YOU GET IT FROM THE POLICE REPORTS, OR WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE A POLICE REPORT.
SO THERE IS A PAPER TRAIL FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THERE TOO.
IF THERE'S, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TOMORROW NIGHT, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT HERE.
BUT HOW ABOUT EVER HAPPENED? LIKE, UH, UM, LET'S SAY TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO OR SOMETHING AGAIN, WE NEED A PAPER TRAIL TO SAY, AS LONG AS THE POLICE REPORT WAS FILED, ONE WAS FILED BACK THEN WE, THE POLICE CHIEF CAN TRACK WHAT WAS DONE, A BLACK SHEER.
I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT GETTING A PETITION.
MR. SHAW HAD A QUESTION TO RICHARD.
UH, YOU SAID YOU'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN A FEW, A FEW CHANGE THAT UP A FEW.
UM, SO WITH THAT A DISCUSSION, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THAT SPEED BUMP DOCUMENT IS OUTDATED, AND THIS COUNCIL SHOULD REVISIT THAT DISCUSSION,
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WHETHER TO ALLOW SPEED BUMPS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN, UM, AGAIN, IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS THEM.SO BE IT, BUT HERE ARE THE PROS AND CONS IN THE CITY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ON THERE THAT I FEEL ARE STILL VERY RELEVANT THOUGH.
UM, SO I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A DISCUSSION.
UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, I WOULD REQUEST, UM, THAT ARTISTS, OUR CITY MANAGER GET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF.
I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THE AND STATISTICS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF ALL OF THESE INTENSE INSTANCES AND DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, IF THE POLICE CHIEF IS ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS A COMMON DENOMINATOR THERE, ADDITIONALLY, UM, DO WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE CDNA ENGINEER? IS THERE A LIGHTING PROBLEM? NOT OBVIOUSLY AT YOUR RESIDENCE, BUT ON THE WHOLE STREET ITSELF, DO WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL LIGHTING? UM, ARE THERE, UM, ARE THERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNIQUES SUCH AS, UM, UM, UH, SPEED SIGNS THAT WE CAN ENHANCE IN THAT AREA? LIKE I SAID, SPEED SIGNS ON OUR STREET.
IF YOU GET DOWN AT, YOU HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, AND IF, UH, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN PASS IT IS IF THERE'S CARS ON BOTH SIDES, THIS STREET IS PULL IN, OR SOMEBODY CAN, UH, IS ALREADY PARKS OR A CART AND GOLD PASSION.
OUR STREET IS VERY NARROW NOW.
AND THE NEXT READ OVER, I, UH, MENTIONED ABOUT MOUNT HOOD AREA.
THEY HAVE SPEED BUMPS AROUND THAT AREA, BUT ON OUR STREET, WE HAVE A, UM, UH, SIDEWALKS BACK THERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS AT ALL.
MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T THINK HE HAD ANY LIGHT POLES BACK HERE.
IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK HERE.
BUT ONE THING THAT BUGS THE HECK OUT ON ME, IF WE WAS TO PARK OUR CAR IN, ON THE GRASS BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK, WE'LL GET A CITATION, WE'VE GOT CITATIONS RIGHT.
AND LEFT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PARKING, UH, ILLEGALLY.
AND THERE THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET.
I PAID ATTENTION COMING IN THAT HAS A PICKUP TRUCKS THERE ON THE GRASS PART INSTEAD OF ALL IN THE STREET.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, THERE IS A PROBLEM.
THERE SOUNDS LIKE A MULTI THAT'S GOING ON THERE.
ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS, SINCE YOU'VE SPOKEN TO A FEW OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN SETTING UP A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH IN YOUR AREA? THERE'S, UH, ONE, UH, THERE'S ONE, UH, TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM OUR HOUSE.
MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR USED TO BE HUBRIS BIG LAWYER.
THE ONE THAT DID THE PAPERWORK THAT HUBER HEIGHTS BECOME A CITY AND EVERYTHING, THE REASON WE GOT THE LIGHT POLE OUT THERE, BUT THEY WAS, THEY WAS WANTING HIM TO BE CITY MAYOR.
AND SUPPOSEDLY SPEAKING TO HIM, WHAT HE SAID WAS THEY PUT IT OUT IN FRONT OF HIS BEDROOM, THE BUG, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
HE GOT HIS LIFE, BUT HE HAD TO MOVE IN THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE LIGHT WAS SO BRIGHT, BUT HIS NAME WAS SOUTH SMALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE EVER, BUT, UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE AS I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE.
WELL, WHENEVER IT CAME TO, HE'S THE ONE THAT DID THE PAPERWORK, LET HUBER HEIGHTS BECOME A CITY.
BUT ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THERE WAS, UH, YOU'RE AFRAID THAT, UH, THEY'RE AFRAID THAT THE CITY WILL BE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE MAD AT EACH OTHER.
WE'RE MAD, BUT NOT AT EACH OTHER BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING.
WELL, AND AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A, A MULTITUDE OF ISSUES THERE.
UM, I TRUST THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO GO BACK AND LIST THOSE OUT AND FIND OUT HOW WE CAN BULLET POINT AND FIND QUICK SOLUTIONS TO EACH ONE OF THEM, UM, THAT THE CITY CAN PARTNER WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
UM, I'M AGAIN, IF YOU DECIDE TO INSTALL SECURITY CAMERAS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SOLUTION.
UM, I, I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE IN THAT AREA.
AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANYBODY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WEBB, JUST BRIEFLY, IF YOU COULD, UM, UM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT, MAKE SURE SCOTT HAS YOUR HOUSE.
WHO'S HE? UH, SCOTT, WHAT I'M SAYING, MAN, WE HAVE A PHONE, THE PAPER THAT I TURNED IN, YOU KNOW, THE SPEAK SHE WANTS EXTRA ONES ALSO.
OKAY, NEXT UP WE HAVE A MISS ANNA MARIE HUNEEUS.
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MARIE HUNEEUS.I'M 15 YEARS OLD AND I LIVE ON AN ERA OF YOU DRIVE.
UM, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF A MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A MULTITUDE OF REASONS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO GATHER WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR FAMILIES JUST IN GENERAL, THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SPEND QUALITY TIME WITH EACH OTHER IN AN OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT WOULD BE SAFE FOR THEM.
AND, UM, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF KIDS DURING THE SUMMER REALLY WANT TO GET OUT, GET OUTSIDE AND EXERCISE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR CHILDREN TO DO THAT SAFELY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN A FUN WAY.
IT'S VERY ENCOURAGING TO GET KIDS THAT MAY BE STUCK INSIDE A LOT OF THEIR SUMMER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE PARENTS OR GUARDIANS THAT ARE BUSY TO GET OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THEIR TIME WITH NATURE AND JUST GET EXERCISE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY CONVENIENT PLACE FOR KIDS TO ACCESS, EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DRIVE VIA CAR, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS JUST IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COULD EASILY WALK OR BIKE TO THESE TRAILS, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CAR OR WERE ABLE TO GO BY CAR FOR WHATEVER REASON TO THESE TRAILS.
WHEREAS A LOT OF THE EXISTING TRAILS SUCH AS MAMBA DO REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A CAR, TO GET TO THEM FOR MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN A VERY CONVENIENT AREA.
UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONVENIENT AREA FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THINK IT DEFINITELY BRINGS A POSSIBILITY FOR CITIZENS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO BE MORE CONNECTED BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING IF THERE WAS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL AND THE, UM, BIKE PATHS WITHIN THE CITY, THEN PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY COULD TAKE THE BIKE PATHS TO GET TO THIS MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK AND UTILIZE THE PARK.
BUT ALSO PEOPLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE, THE, THIS NEW MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK WOULD ALSO HAVE MUCH EASIER ACCESS TO GET TO THE BIKE PATHS.
BECAUSE ME PERSONALLY, I DO A LOT OF BIKE RIDING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY ENJOY, AND I KNOW THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE A PARENT WITH ME AND WE HAVE TO DRIVE BY CAR TO GET TO ANY OF THE BIKE PATHS BECAUSE ALL OF THE ROUTES LIKE THE STREET ROUTES ARE VERY BUSY.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THEM AND IT WOULDN'T BE SAFE TO USE ANY OF THOSE TO ACCESS ANY OF THE BIKE TRAILS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SO CLOSE, THEY'RE JUST NO EASY ROUTE TO ACCESS THEM BY BIKE, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT IRRITATING BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY VERY CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE LIKE DISTANCE WISE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCESS.
SO HAVING SOME KIND OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE HELPFUL, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO UTILIZE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK ITSELF.
UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT IN THE SUMMER I LIVE IN BETWEEN TWO, A BLIND TURN AND A HILL.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF LIKE LOW VISIBILITY RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
SO PLAYING BASKETBALL IN THE DRIVEWAY, OR EVEN JUST RIDING YOUR BIKE THROUGH THE STREETS IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CARS THAT GO BY FAST OR THERE'S, SINCE THERE'S LOW VISIBILITY, YOU'RE DIFFICULT FOR A CAR TO STOP NO MATTER WHAT SPEED THEY WERE GOING.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT.
AND SOME DAYS THERE ARE DEFINITELY TIMES THAT THE SIDEWALKS GET REALLY BUSY BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE TO WALK, RUN, OR BIKE USING THE SIDEWALKS.
SO HAVING A PLACE WHERE WE COULD SAFELY BIKE AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS DURING THE SUMMER WHEN WE'RE OFF SCHOOL WOULD BE A REALLY AMAZING THING TO HAVE BECAUSE I, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE MUCH SAFER THAN RIDING ON THE STREETS WHERE I LIVE AT LEAST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
SO I THINK WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WE'VE ASKED OUR, UM, PARKS AND REC CHAIR, UH, WHO MR. KING IS HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, I THINK OUR PARKS REC DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO GO BACK AND THROUGH THE LAST DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT DEL PARK.
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TO THE COMMUNITY AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT SHOULD GO THERE.AND, UH, I THINK EVERYBODY ON, ON COUNCIL WAS KIND OF OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT, THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE WANTED, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THAT WAS ENDED UP BEING NOTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMETHING THERE, THE ISSUE OF THE BIKE PARK WAS TABLED.
SO WE KIND OF POSTPONED THAT INDEFINITELY.
THAT'S KIND OF THE ACTION THAT COUNCIL HAS TAKEN WAITING ON, UH, INFORMATION FROM OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, UH, TO, TO VISIT AND HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND, AND TALK WITH THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT AREA TO FIND OUT, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING THAT WORKS THERE.
SO CERTAINLY I EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.
I, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I THINK A LOT OF US LIKE THE IDEA OF SOME OF SOME TRAILS THERE, BECAUSE THE TRAILS EXIST THERE ALREADY, AS HE HAS AN IDEA OF A WAY TO CLEAN THOSE UP AND, AND PUT SOMETHING THERE.
AND, BUT IF, IF THE, IF YOU'VE BEEN KIND OF, IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE PROCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, YOU KNOW, THAT LIVE RIGHT.
THERE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THEIR POSITIONS ARE TOO IN THEIR HOMES.
SO IT CERTAINLY IS NOT AN EASY DISCUSSION.
IT'S NOT AN EASY ISSUE TO DEAL WITH, BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE GIVEN OUR, OUR, OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND IN OUR, UH, PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT OR BOARD, IS TO HOLD SOME MEETINGS AND TALK TO THE, UM, TALK TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN FURTHER OUTREACH TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS A GOOD IDEA THERE, KNOWING THAT, UM, THERE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WHO, WHO WOULD USE THOSE.
AND AGAIN, THE EXERCISE AND THE ACTIVITY.
I THINK LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE CERTAINLY EMPATHETIC TO THAT AND KNOW THAT THE KIDS WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO, AND THE KIDS NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.
SO MARRYING THE, THE, THE TWO OF KNOWING THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE KIDS NEED TO DO.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT ARE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE COMPROMISE OFFENDING AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COURAGE FOR COMING TONIGHT AND STANDING HERE AND SPEAKING FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I'M SURE ALL COUNCIL APPRECIATES THAT, AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
SO, SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT, BUT CERTAINLY THE DIRECTION IS OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE DOING SO MUCH MORE OUTREACH IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEN BRING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN WE CAN FURTHER THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, AND MARIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING ON THIS, AND IT'S NOT EASY TO STAND HERE.
I KNOW I'VE DONE THAT AND IT'S IT'S BUT THANK YOU.
UM, I, I FULLY BELIEVE WE WILL GET TO A POINT.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.
WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE IS YET TO BE SEEN.
I HOPE I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE A PART OF THOSE MEETINGS, UM, WITH THE AREA AND WHATNOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE OUT, SCOTT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ANNOUNCED IF WE CAN DO A PUBLIC BLAST ON THAT ONE, JUST, OR SOMEHOW GET IT OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET IT FAR AND WIDE.
SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, BUT, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THERE.
AND I KNOW WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THERE FOR KIDS TO GO AND DO.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPACE, BUT IT'S VERY UNDER UTILIZED.
IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO MANY YEARS AND I'VE LIVED AT THE SAME HOUSE MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND I WE'VE TRIED TO UTILIZE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROWING FRISBEE.
WE'VE TRIED TO WALK THROUGH THE FOREST A LITTLE BIT AND LIKE THE WOODED AREAS, BUT THE WOODED AREAS CURRENTLY ARE REALLY, REALLY OVERGROWN.
AND A LOT OF TIME THE GRASS ISN'T EVEN MODE.
SO EVEN IF IT ISN'T A MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK, I WOULD JUST LIKE IT TO BE SOMETHING, SOMETHING USEFUL, BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN VACANT FOR SO LONG.
AND IT'S KIND OF SAD TO SEE IT THERE WITH NOTHING IN IT.
YOU JUST OVERGROWN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING TONIGHT.
UM, I WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY, UH, 20 15, 20 16 TO, TO OBTAIN THAT LAND FROM THE SCHOOLS TO MAKE IT CITY OWNED, UH, BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THE YOUTH IN OUR AREA NEED SOMETHING TO DO IN THAT AREA AND NOT GRAFFITI AND MISCHIEF AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, I, I PARK IS VERY MUCH NEEDED IN THAT AREA, WHETHER IT'S MOUNTAIN BIKE RELATED OR AS YOU STATED SOMETHING ELSE, JUST SOMETHING OTHER FOR, FOR OUR KIDS TO DO, UM, LIKE YOURSELF AND MANY OTHER YOUTH IN THE AREA THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, VERY ENCOURAGED TO GET SOMETHING IN THAT AREA.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, HAD MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE NOT A LOT OF YOUTH STEPPED UP DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION.
THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF INTEREST PERCEIVED FOR THAT.
SO WHAT I WOULD PERSONALLY ENCOURAGE YOU AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES THREE STREETS AWAY FROM THAT PARK ITSELF, UM, AND THAT I'M STARTING TO DO NOW IS THE YOUTH THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT YOU SEE THAT YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ENCOURAGE THEM TO SEND EMAILS TO THIS COUNCIL, UM, THAT
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THE STATES THAT THEY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THEY'RE ENCOURAGED THEIR PARENTS AS, AS I'M SURE YOU HAVE DONE, UH, MANY CONVERSATIONS, UM, TO, TO BRING THEM UP HERE AND SPEAK.UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE ASKING FOR.
UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE WHO ARE DIRECTLY IN THE PARK, UH, AREA SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING THERE.
THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO WORK WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THE YOUTH TO PUT SOMETHING THERE? UM, YOU ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO EXACTLY WHAT CAN WE DO, UH, IN THAT AREA? HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER? AND I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF IDEAS IN MIND.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS REGARDING THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC AND CRIME IN THAT AREA, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY CRIME EXISTING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S NO COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT.
AND I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT A PARK SUCH AS A MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK OR ANY PARK IN GENERAL WOULD ATTRACT ANY OF THAT LOOKING BY EXAMPLE AT THE MAMA MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK IN HUBER AS WELL.
IT I'VE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES.
IT'S VERY FUN PLACE TO BE, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING THAT SEEMED TO LIKE SKETCHY OR THAT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS ANY CRIMINAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WHATSOEVER.
IT WAS ALWAYS A VERY FUN PLACE, LIKE COMMUNITY CENTERED PLACE.
AND I WAS THINKING THAT IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC CONCERN, IT WOULD BE THE BEST IDEA TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PARKING AREA.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE MANY CARS.
I THINK IT WOULD MOSTLY BE TRAFFIC'S LIKE BIKE AND WALKING TO GET TO THIS PART BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL OR IT LOOKS LIKE THE PLANS FOR IT ARE RELATIVELY SMALL.
I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING BY CAR.
SO ALTHOUGH I THINK IT WOULD BE MOSTLY PEOPLE WALKING OR RIDING THEIR BIKES TO GET THERE.
I THINK THERE MAYBE SHOULD BE SOME SMALL PARKING AREA TO KEEP A LOT OF CARS OUT OF THE STREETS, WHICH I HEARD WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE.
SO I W I DEFINITELY WANT TO WORK WITH THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE IT.
SO THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF CONCERNS OR IT'S MAKING THEIR LIFE ANY MORE DIFFICULT IN ANY WAY.
I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE THAT COULD BE USED BY EVEN THEM, IF THEY WANTED TO, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ADDED ON TO THIS PARK WHERE THERE'S WALKING TRAILS WITH IT, OR THE ABILITY TO WALK ON THEM.
CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THE OLDER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, LIKE TO WALK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET SOME EXERCISE, AND MAYBE IF THERE WERE SOME TRAILS THERE THAT THEY COULD WALK ONTO, BUT MAKE THEM MORE WILLING TO LISTEN TO THIS PROPOSAL OR IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN AS WELL.
IT WOULD MAYBE CHANGE THEIR MIND A LITTLE BIT ON THE IDEA OF HAVING SOMETHING THERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH IN CLOSING IS YOUR PARENTS HERE WITH YOU? IS THAT YOUR MOM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING HER TONIGHT.
SHE HAS GOT A VERY BRIGHT FUTURE.
I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO CONNECT WITH BOTH OF YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND LET YOU KNOW AND GIVE YOU SOME OF THE FACTS OF WHERE THINGS STAND OUT AND, UM, AND DEFINITELY PARTNER WITH YOU TO ENGAGE SOME OF THE YOUTH THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT ARE VERY EMPOWERED TO SEE SOMETHING THERE.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE A FRESHMEN AT WAYNE THIS YEAR? ARE YOU AT THE, I'M GOING TO BE A SOPHOMORE AT CARROLL? OKAY.
I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD.
I HOPE YOU'RE ON STUDENT COUNCIL.
THE LAST STUFF WE HAVE MR. TIM THEATER HORSE.
UM, I, I BASICALLY WANTED TO ASK, UM, IF WE COULD REOPEN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PARK, UH, BECAUSE I HEARD IT WAS BEING TABLED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, COMPROMISE IS NOT AN EASY THING.
AND I HEARD FROM THE MAYOR A COUPLE OF TIMES, I THINK OVER THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS THAT WE'LL GO TO, TO, UH, 10 OR 12 READINGS IF WE HAVE TO, TO GET THOSE THINGS THROUGH.
SO, UM, I WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT IT WAS TABLED.
UM, I'M GLAD, YOU'RE SURE YOU DIDN'T TABLE IT PERMANENTLY, BUT, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO, UM, SUGGEST A, A CON ONE COMPROMISE MIGHT BE, UM, GRAVEL PARKING LOT, CAUSE THAT WOULD BE LESS, UM, PERMANENT, SO THAT LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, JUST TRY IT FOR A YEAR.
UM, BRINGING EVERYBODY BACK, PEOPLE
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WHO ARE AGAINST IT, PEOPLE WHO REPORT AND SEE, SEE IF ACTUALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEIR DISTRACT DETRACTORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.SEE IF IT ACTUALLY CAME ABOUT OR SEE IF THEY, IF THEY'RE, UM, HAVE BECOME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEFORE WE PUT A PERMANENT PARKING LOT IN.
UM, BUT I TH THAT WAS JUST KINDA A COUPLE OF MY THOUGHTS.
I JUST BASICALLY WANTED TO ASK YOU TO REOPEN THE DISCUSSION, BUT THANK YOU.
SO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS IF I, IF I'M WRONG, SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME.
I THINK THAT WHAT COUNSEL'S EXPECTATION IS AS FOR OUR, OUR PARKS AND REC COMMISSION TO MEET WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND COME BACK WITH SOME, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND AT THAT TIME, THEN I WOULD EXPECT SOMEWHAT CAUSE YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IN THE COUNCIL VOTED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TABLE IT.
SO AT THAT TIME, ANYONE COULD THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO, TO OPEN UP THE DIAL PARK IMPROVEMENT DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ALWAYS ON.
THE AGENDA WAS DOLL PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
SO I THINK WE COULD, ONCE WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR WE HAVE SOME FEEDBACK AND, OR PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE BOARD HAS GONE IN AND MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, THEN ONCE THEY'VE GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OR THEY'RE RATED INTO TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY FOUND IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY OPEN THAT BACK UP AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AND, UH, AS PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THE BIKE TRAIL CERTAINLY COULD COME BACK UP.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DID I WANT TO SAY WE TABLED THE BICYCLE AMENITIES AT DALE, NOT DALE PARK IN GENERAL.
IT WAS THAT SPECIFIC PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
SO JUST THE BICYCLE AMENITIES WE CAN ACTUALLY, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING OTHER THE BIKE AMENITIES IS WHAT WAS TABLED, SO, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE IS CERTAINLY AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT OFF THE TABLE.
CAUSE THAT WASN'T WHAT WAS TABLED.
SO THE TRAILS ARE STILL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, CORRECT.
WAS THAT OKAY? THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.
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UP IS NUMBER A NINE, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS TONIGHT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND I'VE RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS ON, AND I WILL START OFF BY SAYING, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME APPROXIMATE TIMES, BUT A LOT OF THAT'S WEATHER RELATED AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE REST OF THIS WEEK.
THERE'S A CHANCE OF STORMS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO THAT MAY AFFECT SOME OF THESE TIMELINES.
UM, BUT A BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG THAT WIDENING PROJECT AND THE CULVERT PROJECT, THEY HAVE DONE THE FIRST, UH, UH, COURSE OF ASPHALT AND THE, UH, THE CULVERT SAYING AND EVERYTHING.
NOW THEY HAVE TO DO THE FINAL COURSE OF ASPHALT AND SOME CLEANUP AND THE GUARD RAILS.
SO THAT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK AND BACK OPEN ALSO SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE, WE DON'T HEAR THAT OFTEN, BUT AN ODOP PROJECT THAT IS EARLY, UM, IS THE, AT THE END OF CHAMBERSBURG AT ROUTE FOUR.
UH, WE GOT WORD TODAY THAT DEPENDING ON WEATHER, UH, THEY WILL BE PAVING LATER THIS WEEK AND CHAMBERSBURG ROAD OVER THE BRIDGE MAY BE OPENED BY THIS FRIDAY.
UM, SO, UM, ALL OF THE, THE, THE RAMPS THEMSELVES TO BE DONE WITHIN TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT, AND THEN THEY'LL STILL BE WORKING ON THE CLEANUP WORK UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER, BUT, UH, CAN I GO A BIT LONGER, BUT AT LEAST GETTING OVER THE OVERPASS AND GETTING ON THE OTHER PATHS WOULD BE, YES.
LIKE I SAID, WEATHER DEPENDENT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS FRIDAY, YOU'D BE ABLE TO OPEN THAT UP.
UM, THE WATER MAIN LINING PROJECT THAT IS ONGOING, UM, THAT'S ABOUT THREE MORE WEEKS ON THAT.
SO THINGS ARE GOING WELL ON THAT.
UM, AND SO WE'LL, UH, ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE'LL HAVE SOME REPORTS ON, UM, THAT PROGRESS AND EVERYTHING.
WE'LL, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
UM, ALSO SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS, UH, THINGS THEY'VE SEEN AT SOME OF OUR FACILITIES.
UH, SO THE, THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER, WE ARE GOING THROUGH A WHAT I'LL CALL AN ASSET REVIEW.
UM, SO THERE THERE'S BEEN THINGS NOTICED ABOUT SOME OF THE PAINTS, UH THAT'S UH, AT THE AQUATIC CENTER.
UM, THE, SO, UH, TALKING WITH, UH, UH, MR. LINDEMANN, UM, THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME FOR THE FALL AFTER THE SEASON'S CLOSED, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PAINTING, BEING DONE, SOME UPDATES TO, I GUESS, THE SLIDE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND LOOK INTO SOME OF THE CONCRETE OUT THERE.
AND THEN ALSO AT THE, THE ROWS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHWAY SIGN, IT'S VERY FADED NOW.
UM, WE LOOKED AT WHETHER THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED AND REPLACED, BUT, UH, SPEAKING WITH, UH, MR. KEYS AT KEY ADS, THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, SIGNS SIMILAR THAT THEY'VE DONE SOME PAINTING.
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OUT TO LOOK AT HOW THAT HAS TURNED OUT.SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL BE ABLE TO JUST REPAINT SOME OF THAT.
SO, UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS OUT FRONT, SOME OF THE BRICK WORK THERE'S SOME, SOME CRACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE DOING A FULL ASSET REVIEW OF THOSE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, KEEP MAINTAINING OUR, UH, ASSETS ON THAT.
SO, UM, THEN, UH, THE LAST ITEM I HAVE TONIGHT IS JUST AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, THE TRASH HAULING.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING, UH, QUITE A FEW CALLS AND CONCERNS REGARDING THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE.
UM, AND SO I HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM, UH, QUITE A BIT TODAY AND, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS ALL THE CORRECT INFORMATION.
WE HAVE POSTED OUT THE CONTRACTS INFORMATION, UH, FOR WHAT THE CHARGES ARE THROUGH, THROUGH OUR FACEBOOK PAGES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLING, SOMETIMES THEY'RE GETTING INFORMATION THAT DIFFERS FROM THAT.
UM, SO ONE THING THAT I HAVE NOW RECEIVED FROM, UH, REPUBLIC IS WHAT COMES UP ON THE SCREEN WHEN YOU CALL, UM, SO THEY'VE GOT THEIR CHEAT SHEETS.
SO, UM, I'M HOPING THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE HANDLED AND TAKEN CARE OF AND GET BETTER OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, WHAT I SEE, UM, HERE, EVERYTHING IS CORRECT.
UH, THE INFORMATION IS CORRECT.
SO THIS SHOULD BE THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PASSED OUT.
I WILL ASK THAT THE RESIDENTS, PLEASE CONTINUE TO LET US KNOW WHEN YOU ARE HAVING ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT AND WE CAN FIND OUT.
SO, UH, LET US KNOW, UH, WHAT YOUR ADDRESS IS, WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
AND IF YOU DID CALL AND GET SOME MISINFORMATION, LET US KNOW, AND WE WILL WORK ON IT AS WELL.
SCOTT IS THAT IT'S LIKE A SOFTWARE UPDATE.
SO IF I CALL IN, THEY GOT CALLER ID, THEY KNOW WHERE I'M CALLING FROM A SAM CALLING FROM, AND THEN THAT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
SO THEY ARE GIVING THE CORRECT INFORMATION.
IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THAT IS CORRECT.
ARE THEY GOING TO GET US A LETTER? I MEAN, AT ONE POINT WE TALKED ABOUT A LETTER THAT WE COULD DISTRIBUTE TO.
SO EVERYONE KNEW THOSE RATES, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HERE IN NEXT WEEK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING OUT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.
AND I'LL MAKE SURE WE GET A COPY OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT ON OUR WEBSITE AND FACEBOOK PAGE.
THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE SOME OF THE BILLING ISSUES, I KNOW PEOPLE WERE GETTING BILLS THAT WERE DATED LIKE AUGUST 5TH AND THEY WERE DOING THE SIXTH, OR THEY WERE GETTING THEM ON THE SIXTH AND THEY WERE DOING THE FIFTH, MAYBE.
SO I KNOW MAYBE SOME OF THE BILLS DIDN'T CATCH UP TO THIS NEW CONTRACT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT CERTAINLY AS WE GET THROUGH A BILLING CYCLE, THIS STUFF HAS GOTTA BE, I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE FIXED.
SO, SO PEOPLE WILL BE CREDITED FOR THINGS IF THEY HAVE PAID SOMETHING THAT WAS INCORRECT.
AND ALSO, UM, I AM HEARING, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, MRS. BURJ, UH, LET ME KNOW THAT SOMEBODY HAD SAID ABOUT THAT, HEY, THE SENIOR DISCOUNT IS $1.
UH, SO, UM, THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS FROM THE CUSTOMER SERVICE END THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THEY GET CORRECTED AND THAT EVERYBODY IS GIVEN THE SAME EXACT INFORMATION.
CAUSE THE THING YOU'RE JUST GOING, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR MONTHS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IN THE WORLD THAT IS NOT LIKE, THAT SHOULD JUST BE LIKE, WHY IS THAT AN ISSUE? AND, UH, THE, UH, CANS WERE BEING BILLED $9 FOR THE CANS.
AND IT'S REALLY STRANGE BECAUSE THE LADY TOLD ME, WELL, I CAN ADJUST YOUR CANS, YOUR CANS CHARGED, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T ADJUST YOUR, YOUR SENIOR DISCOUNT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN IS THEIR DATABASE GOING TO BE UPDATED SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE CALL IN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CALL IN TWO AND THREE TIMES FOR IT TO CATCH UP BECAUSE THAT JUST MAKES PEOPLE VERY IRRITATED, ME INCLUDED.
THAT'S WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR IF IT'S NOT.
UM, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE ON ROUTE 40 CHAMBERSBURG.
UM, SCOTT HALF, WE ISSUED AN RFP TO GET THE SIDEWALK DONE FROM, UH, FROM THE OAKS, UH, ENTRANCE UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, GOING SOUTH ON BELL FOUNTAIN.
UM, AS WE MENTIONED THAT WE WANTED TO LINK THAT UP WITH THE PROJECT, UM, WHICH THAT PROJECT HAS NOT SUBMITTED ANYTHING GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WAITING ON.
IF WE WERE WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PIECE, THAT JUST COMES TO ANOTHER DEAD END, IF THAT'S, UH, WE CAN, BUT WE WANTED TO TRY TO HAVE THAT DONE ABOUT THE SAME TIME AND TRY TO SAVE SOME COSTS ON CONTRACTORS.
AND WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO LINK IT TO THE ONES DOING THE CULVERT REPAIR AND THE ROAD.
WELL, NO, TO THE PROJECT AT THE CORNER OF, WELL, THEN THEY TAKE FOREVER AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVELED DOWN IN THE GRASS ON BELL FOUNTAIN.
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YEAH, PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SIDEWALK EXTENDED AS FAR OUT AS WE CAN TO THE PROPERTY LINE, TO FACILITATE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING.UM, THEY'LL FOUND, YEAH, I'LL TRY TO GET AN UPDATE ONE ON, UM, IF WE'RE EXPECTING TO SEE ANYTHING SUBMITTED SOON FROM THAT NEXT PROJECT.
AND THEN, UH, I'LL, I'LL GET WITH MR. BERGMAN ON, UH, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UH, UH, GET THAT DESIGN FINALIZED.
AND DO WE HAVE, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET THE CROSSWALK OVER TO COTTONWOOD THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW, UM, ABOUT THE RIGHT SITE DISTANCE AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT SHOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE SAFEST POSSIBLE.
YEAH, BUT THAT SIDEWALK IS THAT ALREADY, AND THIS LEGISLATION ALREADY EXISTS TO, TO PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING OR DOES THIS COUNCIL NEED TO TAKE ANY OTHER ACTION TO GET THAT SIDEWALK DONE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACTOR? UM, AT THE TIME TO AWARD A BID COUNSEL WILL NEED TO, BECAUSE IT'LL BE OVER THE $25,000 THRESHOLD, THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP FOR COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU GET THAT INFORMATION, LET US KNOW, AND THEN WE CAN PUT ON WORK SESSION DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE ON.
UM, SO SCOTT, IN REVIEWING THIS TRASH DEBACLE, UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LIFETIME.
THE CITY KEEPS PUTTING OUT INFORMATION THAT THE BILLS ARE GOING TO BE UPDATED AND CUSTOMER SERVICE IS GOING TO BE UPDATED.
I THINK WE'VE HAD MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR UPDATES.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US DEFINITIVELY HERE TODAY THAT WITHIN THE NEXT BILLING CYCLE, THESE CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES, THESE BILLING ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE RESOLVED OR WHAT WILL IT TAKE? I WILL KEEP ON THEM EVERY DAY UNTIL I HEAR THAT IT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN SIGNED BY DID PASS THAT OUT, SEND THAT TO ALL OF COUNCIL.
AND IT IS A PUBLIC RECORD WE'VE SENT DOWN TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED WITH THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND SO THAT INFORMATION IS A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH REPUBLIC IN THEIR SYSTEM.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT THE SCREEN OF WHAT'S COMES UP AND EVERYDAY WE'LL KEEP ON IT.
DO WE KNOW WHEN REPUBLIC WILL BE DROPPING OFF? THE NEW TRASHCAN DEPENDS ON WHEN, IF SOMEBODY REQUESTS.
SO IN THE NEW CONTRACT, IT CALLS FOR A CERTAIN COLORED LID ON A TRASH CAN THAT NO RESIDENT IN THIS COMMUNITY HAS TODAY.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WAS THAT A, ANOTHER CONTRACT OOPS, WITHIN, OR IS REPUBLIC GOING TO BE DOING A, CAN REASSESSMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO EITHER CHANGE THOSE CANS OUT? OR WAS THAT A SCRIBNER'S ERROR POD? THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THAT COLOR LID THAT WAS DIRECTLY CALLED OUT UNLIKE THE CANNED FEE THAT WAS DIRECTLY CALLED OUT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THINGS IN THE CONTRACT THAT THIS COUNCIL APPROVED, THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE FULLY, UM, BECAUSE I'M, FRANKLY, I'M GETTING A BIT TIRED OF GETTING PAST DUE, UM, CALLS NOTICES AS WELL AS RESIDENT WHEN IT COMES TO BILLING ISSUES AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
WE'VE HAD THIS COMPANY TAKE CARE OF THIS MUNICIPAL TRASH FOR OVER FIVE YEARS, BUT IN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THEY FORGOT WHAT THEY WERE DOING SOMEHOW SOME WAY, AND I'M JUST COMPLETELY PERPLEXED ON HOW THAT CAN BE.
UM, WHEN IN FIVE YEARS EVERYBODY SAYS WE'VE HAD GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, GREAT BILLING, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
AND THEN THE PAST TWO MONTHS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, SOMEBODY JUST KICKED THE OUTLET OUT OF THE COMPUTER AND ERASED EVERYTHING AND WE'RE STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH.
UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF MY VENTING SESSION IF WE CAN FIND OUT ON THOSE TRASHCAN ISSUES AND REASSESSMENT, UM, OF THE CANS WITHIN THE AREA.
UM, I KNOW RESIDENTS I SPEAK WITH, UM, I AM BEING VERY CLEAR TO THEM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THE ASTRONOMICAL FEE, UM, OF THE CAN OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO CALL REPUBLIC, TELL THEM TO COME PICK IT UP, UM, GO GET YOUR OWN CAN, UM, AND, AND HAVE YOUR TRASH PICKED UP BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, $840,000 POTENTIAL OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THE REPUBLIC'S HANDS IS NOT WHAT I VOTED ON.
SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND REVIEW OF THAT AS WELL AS MR. MCDONALD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SCOTT REGARDING INFORMATION IN HIS UPDATE? OKAY.
I DID BYPASS A NUMBER EIGHT, SO I WANT TO GO BACK AND MENTION THAT ON NUMBER EIGHT WAS THAT THERE WERE CITIZENS REGISTER TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS DECEIVING MR. ROGERS.
ITEM NUMBER 10 WAS PENDING BUSINESS.
THERE WAS NONE OF THEM, NO PENDING BUSINESS.
SO NUMBER 11 IS NEW BUSINESS UNDER CITY COUNCIL,
[ A Motion To Appoint Pat Stephens To The Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board To A Term Ending January 1, 2024.]
ITEM 11, A MR. ROGERS, ITEM 11, A MOTION TO APPOINT PAT STEVENS TO THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD TO A TERM ENDING JANUARY 1ST, 2024.[01:25:02]
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, JUST THAT THE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN COMPLETED.WE WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL'S ACTION ON THIS APPOINTMENTS.
AND I, THIS WILL FILL ONE OF THREE VACANCIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THIS BOARD.
SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE LOOKING TO GET INVOLVED, UM, WE'RE STILL SEEKING TWO ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEER APPLICANTS FOR THE, UH, WATER.
AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WORK SESSIONS OR EMOTION.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION MR. ROGERS, MR. BAKER, MR. CAMPBELL.
[ An Ordinance Providing For The Issuance And Sale Of Notes In The Maximum Principal Amount Of $3,750,000, In Anticipation Of The Issuance Of Bonds, For The Purpose Of Paying The Costs Of Acquiring Approximately 51 Acres Of Real Property Near The Intersection Of Brandt Pike And Executive Boulevard And Providing For The Site Preparation Thereof, All In Support Of Economic Development And Job Creation Within The City. (first reading)]
IS ITEM 11, B UM, ADAM 11, B AND THE ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF NOTES AND THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT, $3,750,000 IN ANTICIPATION OF THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING THE COST OF ACQUIRING APPROXIMATELY 51 ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BRANT AND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND PROVIDING FOR THE SITE PREPARATION THEREOF, ALL IN SUPPORTIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND JOB CREATION WITHIN THE CITY AT THE FIRST STREET, MR. KELSEY, UH, YES, THIS, UH, ORDINANCE IS, UH, FOR THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES FOR ONE MORE YEAR FORM THAT, UH, THE PURCHASE OF LAND AND THE REQUEST IS TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING, UH, TO PASS AS NON-EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.SO THAT CAN BE EFFECT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
AND SO, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THIS IS NOT, WHEN WE SAY IT'S A, IT'S A NEW NOTE, IT'S REPLACING THE NOTES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ISSUED.
THIS ISN'T FOR A NEW PURCHASE OF PROPERTY.
THAT IS CORRECT TO MAKE SURE EXTENSION OF ANOTHER YEAR.
UM, SO AT THE WORK SESSION, WE HAD HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO PASS THE SECOND READING ON THIS FOR CALCIUM NOW, UH, REQUESTING, UH, WAVING THE SECOND READING.
IS THERE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE SECRETARY? MR. WEBB? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
THE WAY THE SECOND READING IS ALREADY DISCUSSION.
MR. WEBB, MR. SHAW, NO MS. BAKER.
AND MOTION CARRIES SEVEN TO ONE TO WEIGH THE SECOND RATING.
AND NEXT WE NEED A MOTION FOR ADOPTION WAS BIRCH TO ADAPT FOR A SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
AND MOTION FOR ADOPTION CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[ A Resolution Authorizing The Acceptance Of Federal Funding From The Shuttered Venue Operators Grant (SVOG) Program Established In Section 324 Of The Economic Aid Act, And Amended By The American Rescue Plan Act, Under Certain Terms And Conditions And Establishing The Shuttered Venue Operators Grant Fund. (first reading)]
11, SEAT ITEM 11, SEE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF FEDERAL FUNDING FROM THE SHUTTERED VENUE OPERATORS GRANT S V O G PROGRAM ESTABLISHED IN SECTION 3 24 OF THE ECONOMIC AID ACT AND AMENDED BY THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT UNDER CERTAIN TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND ESTABLISHING THE SHUTTERED VENUE OPERATORS GRANT FUNDED AT THE FIRST READING.YES, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED THAT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN APPROVED TO RECEIVE, UH, JUST OVER $3.8 MILLION FROM THE SHUTTERED VENUES OPERATORS GRANT.
THIS SETS UP THAT FUND WHERE THE MONEY GOES.
AND I DID HEAR AT THE END OF THE DAY ON FRIDAY FROM MR. BELL, THAT, UH, THAT MONEY HAS BEEN, UH, ALLOCATED TO US, IS THERE WORK? SO HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS ABOUT THE SAME THINGS OR EMOTION IS BAKER.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT FOR A SECOND.
MS. BERG, SECOND EMOTION IN THE SECOND.
UM, SCOTT DID, UM, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THE REPAINTING OF THE KEY AD SIGNS SINCE IT ADVERTISES FOR ROSE? I WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT, UM, WHETHER THAT CAN BE USED OR NOT.
SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC REGULATIONS ON THAT, THAT I WILL I'LL CHECK INTO IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. SHAW? THANK YOU, SCOTT.
WOULD I BE ABLE TO GET A COPY OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE PURPOSE AND THE AMOUNTS UP TO YES.
MA'AM ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ON THE FORT, MR. ROGERS CALLED ROLL PLEASE.
AND MOTION TO ADOPT CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO AND ACTS UP AS I'M 12, WHICH IS SITTING FOR, FOR REPORTS AND COMMENTS.
AND I HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED THERE'S ANY KEY REASON FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
SO IT IS 8 29 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.