Aug 02, 2021 Council Work Session

UP IS I NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

[2. Approval of Minutes]

I'M TWO EIGHT.

UH, THERE'S BEEN THE MINUTES FROM JULY 22, JULY 20TH, 2021.

THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, UM, PLEASE SPEAK NOW, CASEY.

NONE OF THOSE MINUTES

[ City Manager Report]

ARE APPROVED.

NEXT UP IS I NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.

SO I'M THREE IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.

SCOTT, HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? I'M GOOD.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, SO TONIGHT, UH, THE FIRST THING I HAVE IS A REMINDER THAT, UH, BECAUSE TONIGHT FOR OUR WORK SESSION, WE'RE ON A MONDAY, WHICH IS NOT NORMAL IT'S BECAUSE TOMORROW NIGHT, UM, IS AT, UH, WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL IS THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

SO FROM FIVE 30 TO EIGHT 30 AT THE, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL, THERE IS, UH, UH, EVENTS GOING ON WITH THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

AND THEN ALSO STARTING THAT, I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR 30 IS THE, UH, THE, UH, BLOOD DONATION, UH, TIMEFRAME THAT THEY'RE ALSO, UH, DOING THAT AS WELL.

UM, SECOND, UM, I WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE REPUBLIC TRASH HAULING CONTRACT, UM, THAT, UH, EARLIER TODAY, UH, THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, AND ANOTHER, UH, MEMBER OF HIS OFFICE AND MYSELF HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH RE MEMBERS OF REPUBLIC AND THEIR ATTORNEY, AND WE ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT.

WE HAVE THE CONTRACT IN HAND, UH, PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD.

THEY, THE STANDARD RATES ARE EXACTLY AS WHAT WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL OF, UH, FOR THE FIRST YEAR, 1454 PER MONTH.

UM, AND THEN THE SENIOR RATE THAT 10% DISCOUNT THAT'S 1309.

UM, BUT THE, UH, THIS WILL BE WITH A $1 CART FEE FOR RENTAL OF THE FIRST TRASH CARTS.

UH, THE RECYCLING CARTS ARE FREE.

UM, NO MATTER HOW MANY YOU HAVE, AND THEN EACH ADDITIONAL TRASH CART WOULD BE $3.

SO $1 FOR THE FIRST $3 FOR THE SECOND, AND THIS WOULD ESCALATE OVER THE FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT TO AT THE FIFTH YEAR.

IT WOULD GET UP TO THE CURRENT RATE OF A DOLLAR 77, WHICH WAS THE RATE THAT HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS FOR OUR CART RENTALS, THE NEXT STEPS, UH, WE HAVE HAD, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH ABOUT SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE TYPE ISSUES AND PICKUP TYPE ISSUES.

UM, WE ARE, UM, ONCE WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT, THERE IS A LETTER THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW THAT DESCRIBES ALL THE STEPS, WHAT ALL THE NUMBERS ARE, WHAT THEY MEAN, HOW PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW, WHAT, UH, THE, THE RESIDENT'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE FOR THINGS LIKE CALLING IN FOR, UH, BULK PICKUPS AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, UH, THIS WILL GO OUT TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE.

AND, UH, THEY, THEY DID SAY THAT, UH, THEY'RE RUNNING INTO SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT, UH, THE SERVICE INDUSTRY IS DOING.

SO THERE IS SOME DELAY WHEN YOU CALL INTO THE CALL CENTER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SHORT STAFF, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE CALLS AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN.

THIS INFORMATION, AS I MENTIONED ABOUT THAT'S GOING OUT TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL, THAT IS GOING OUT TO THEIR CALL CENTER AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A HUBER HEIGHTS CHEAT SHEET THAT, UH, THEY WILL HAVE THAT HAS ALL THE EXACT NUMBERS.

SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE TOLD THE RIGHT INFORMATION, UM, FOR ANYBODY THAT CALLS IN FOR THAT.

SO, UM, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE WILL FOLLOW UP AND WE WILL DO SOME TEST CALLS OF OUR OWN, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF.

SO IF SOMEONE HAS STANDARD TRASH SERVICE WITH ONE CART AND AN UP TO HOW MANY OF OUR RECYCLED CARDS DOES IT MATTER? THE BILL QUARTERLY IS GOING TO BE $46 AND 62 CENTS.

YES, 43 62 FOR THE MONTH FOR THE QUARTERLY RATE AND THEN $3 FOR A CARD.

SO 46 62 SHOULD BE THE BILL, UNLESS YOU'RE A SENIOR, OR IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE TRASH CART OR SYRUP TRASH, OR ZERO TRASH CARTS, BECAUSE THAT RATE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE YOUR OWN.

YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO USE THE REPUBLIC, ART, NANCY, TWO

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QUESTIONS.

UM, WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT CONTRACT BEING SIGNED AND PREPARED TO SIGN IT TOMORROW? GREAT, THANK YOU.

AND I FINALLY, AFTER NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH TODAY AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, UM, WHEN THEY CALL IN TO CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF CARTS YOU HAD, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAD ME DOWN WITH ONE MORE THAN WHAT I HAVE.

AND SO IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, YOUR OWN PROTECTION, JUST CENTRIC WAITED TO GET ON, TO JUST CONFIRM WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHAT YOU'RE BEING BILLED FOR.

AND THEY CHANGED IT.

SO, YEAH, NO PROBLEM THERE.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEP.

GLENN, I MISSED THE INTRODUCTION TO THIS.

I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UH, UH, SO THE, THE QUARTERLY AND CLUES, THE FIRST TRASH BIN, OR THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE FIRST TRASH BIN RENTAL BE $1 PER MONTH FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR THE FIRST YEAR.

AND IT ESCALATES UP TO THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF A DOLLAR 77 AT THE FIFTH.

AND IT, IT, IT SEEMED TO ME THROUGH ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT FIRST CAR RENTAL WAS GOING TO NOT BE CHARGED FOR.

UM, AND JERRY AT, UH, WE PASS LEGISLATION TO ALLOW STAFF TO GO AND TAKE CARE OF THIS.

WE DID THAT WHEN TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE, BUT YES.

AND WHEN DID WE ADD THIS, THIS EXTRA CHARGE FOR THE FIRST CARD THAT DISCUSSION HERE HAD SAID THERE WOULD NOT BE A CHARGE FOR THEM? WELL, WE SAID THERE WOULD BE NOT TO CHARGE.

THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING, THESE COUNSEL AND MYSELF, UH, WHEN WE WENT, GOT THE CONTRACT FROM REPUBLIC, IT HAD TO CHARGE ON IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED GOING BACK AND FORTH, LIKE, I JUST DIDN'T HAVE A CHARGE DISAPPEARS THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE A CHARGE AND DISCUSSIONS ENSUED.

WELL, I'M JUST, I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE IF STAFF HAD BEEN GIVEN DIRECTION BY COUNCIL TO EXECUTE THIS CONTRACT, WHICH AS WE ALL HAD UNDERSTOOD DID NOT INCLUDE THAT INITIAL CHARGE.

HOW DID THAT DOLLAR COME TO BE THAT INITIAL DOLLAR? I SHOULD SAY THAT WAS WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE CITY AND REPUBLIC AT SOME POINT.

SO STAFF NEGOTIATED THAT WITH REPUBLIC, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, PARDON? I SAID TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS AND STAFF WAS AT ZERO REPUBLIC WAS AT $3, $3, $3, AND THEN REPUBLIC CAME BACK AND SAID, WE'LL DO A DOLLAR OR SOMETHING.

I, I DON'T KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF THAT.

UM, WE WERE SITTING AND THERE WAS MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH REPUBLIC AND TH THEIR INITIAL BILLS.

AND THIS STARTED, THE INITIAL CONTRACT DID NOT HAVE A RATE FOR THE CARTS IN IT.

SO WHAT WAS, UM, INITIALLY PUT FORWARD? UM, DIDN'T SAY WHAT THAT RATE WOULD BE.

THEY CAME BACK WITH THAT $3 THAT SHOWED UP ON PEOPLE'S BILLS THAT STARTED SOME OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH REPUBLIC, AS WHERE WE WERE SAYING THAT, WAIT A SECOND, THAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE ZERO.

SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEETINGS AFTER THAT IN DISCUSSIONS.

AND, UH, IT GOT DOWN TO $1 AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

AND, AND AGAIN, JUST, JUST TO VERIFY STAFF NEGOTIATED THAT, CORRECT.

I WAS IN THE MEETINGS AND MR. TODD KOSKI WAS IN MEETINGS AS WELL, AND THE MAYOR WAS IN A COUPLE OF THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MR. CAMPBELL? SCOTT, WHAT DID YOU SAY THE MONTHLY RATE IS NOW? 1454 PER MONTH IS THE STANDARD RATE.

UM, THAT IS, UM, THEN DEPENDING ON TRASH CARTS, IT'S $1 PER MONTH FOR THE FIRST TRASH CARTS AND $3 FOR EACH ADDITIONAL TRASH CART PER MONTH IN WHAT ARE WE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR? TRASH CARTS? A DOLLAR 77.

OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, I THINK, UH, YES.

UH, I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE SEEN CONVERSATION ON FACEBOOK, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE MAYOR WAS NOT INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS? HE WAS AN OBSERVER.

I CAN'T ANSWER ANYTHING OF WHAT I WAS NOT A PART OF.

UM, THE MAYOR WAS IN A MEETING I WAS AT, UM, AND WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

WHILE YOU WERE ON VACATION AND IT WAS A ZOOM CALL THAT WE HADN'T BRIAN OR TEAMS OR WHATEVER, WITH A COUPLE OF THE REPUBLIC REPS.

SO MR. HAD INVITED ME TO A MEETING, UM, SCOTT,

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AND THEN WITH THE, UM, I THINK ONE OF THEIR BILLING OPERATIONS MANAGERS, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAD SAID IN THAT PARTICULAR TEAMS MEETING, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WAIVE THE, THOSE PARADED BILLS THAT WERE KIND OF COMING OUT WITH THE $3, $6, $9 ISSUES.

IT WAS IN THAT TEAM'S MEETING THAT THEY SAID THEY WERE, THEY WERE GOING TO WAIVE THAT BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THAT FIRST CAME UP ABOUT THE PRICE OF THE CART ON THE $3.

BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER MEETING THAT I WAS, THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN WAS THE ONE THAT MR. SCHAKOWSKY ASKED ME TO COME TO CITY HALL.

AND THEN WHEN SCOTT GOT BACK FROM VACATION, HE'S REFERENCED A MEETING THAT HE HAD THAT HE ASKED ME TO COME IN.

SO I CERTAINLY GAVE HIM MY OPINION, BUT I WASN'T NEGOTIATING ANYTHING.

MR. CAMPBELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE FUEL SURCHARGE IS THAT OUT OF THE CONTRACT, THAT IS CORRECT.

THE CONTRACT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THERE WILL BE NO FUEL SURCHARGE IN THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT IS FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, ANY ADDITIONAL TERMS, CAN WE EXTEND IT FOR ANY TIME PAST THAT WE CAN EXTEND UP TO THREE YEARLY ACCESS, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE LAST CONTRACT WAS? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

SO SCOTT, ANYTHING ELSE ON, IN THE SIGNATURE UPDATE? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TONIGHT.

SO CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE WATCHING IT AND I THINK, UM, SAY FOR EVERYONE TO START SHARING THAT INFORMATION AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO 46, 62 PER QUARTER IS WHAT YOU SHOULD SEE ON YOUR BILL, UNLESS YOU'RE A SENIOR OR UNLESS YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TRASHED CARDS.

SO 46, 62 SHOULD BE, EVERYBODY IS CONSISTENT MONTHLY BILL, OTHER THAN THOSE OTHER TWO EXAMPLES.

[ Issuance of Notes - Renewal - $3,750,000]

NEXT UP IS THAT THREE B ISSUANCE OF NOTES AND RENEWAL FOR 3 MILLION, $250,000.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, LEGISLATION, UH, ONCE AGAIN TO RENEW, UH, WE'VE DONE THIS ONCE BEFORE, UH, THE, UH, LAYMAN PROPERTY, WHICH WE DID, UH, FOR 3,750,000.

UH, WE'VE BEEN PAYING THE INTEREST ON IT, UH, SINCE, UH, 2019 WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE, UH, I BROUGHT THIS LEGISLATION BACK TO RENEW THE NOTE LAST YEAR, AND IT'S TIME TO RENEW IT AGAIN IN PREPARATION FOR THE OCTOBER ONE DATE.

AND SO, UM, WE WILL RENEW THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A LAND SALE, UH, OUT THERE.

SO, UH, PENDING THAT I'M ASKING TO RENEW IT, UH, AGAIN FOR ONE YEAR ALSO, THERE'LL BE A NEW LANGUAGE IN THIS ONE THAT WILL ALLOW THAT IF IT IS SOLD BETWEEN NOW AND, UM, NEXT YEAR THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY THE INTEREST FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, IT WOULD JUST BE, UH, UP TO THE POINT OF THE SALE.

AND, UH, I DID NOTICE, UH, WHEN I WAS GOING OVER THIS LEGISLATION, UM, IN MY WRITEUP, UM, WE DO NOT NEED TO, UM, UH, HAVE IT APPROVED ON MONDAY NIGHT.

SO IT COULD GO TO A SECOND READING.

UH, IT'S A NON-EMERGENCY AND IT'S STILL IN PLENTY OF TIME.

UH, IT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE, UH, SEPTEMBER 23RD.

SO WE DO NOT NEED TO PASS THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING THAT INTO THE, UH, PURPOSE AND BACKGROUND STATEMENT FOR THIS MEETING.

NO PROBLEM.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? YES.

MS. KIM, MAYBE FOR BRIAN, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WILL SELL THAT LAND BEFORE THAT NEW TOURISM? UM, THE NOTE IS, WAS WHAT'S THE SALE DATE ON THAT? JIM, IS THAT OCTOBER ONE? IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE, BUT THIS NOTE WILL BE DUE RIGHT BEFORE, UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE ACTUAL SALE WILL OCCUR.

SO WHILE WE'LL HAVE TO REFINANCE IT, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A PREPAYMENT PENALTY ON THE, ON THE SHORTS.

SO, UM, EVEN IF THE TRANSACTION, THE SALE TRANSACTION HAPPENS JUST A FEW WEEKS AFTER WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY THAT, THAT TEMPORARY NOTE OFF WITHOUT PENALTY.

AND THE SELL OF THAT WILL BE PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, BASED ON EVERYTHING WE KNOW TODAY AND THE TIMETABLES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PROJECT.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

NEXT UP IS HAVING THREE C THE SHUTTERED VENUE OPERATORS GRANT FUND JIM.

THANKS.

SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ONTO MONDAY FOR THE FIRST READING? OKAY.

[ Shuttered Venue Operators Grant Fund]

UH, YES, THAT IS MY ITEM ALSO.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU ABOUT THIS FOR A, UH, FEELS LIKE MONTHS.

UM, THE, UH, THE GRANT THAT I APPLIED FOR FOR THE SHUTTER VENUE OPERATORS GRANT, IT WAS A COMPONENT OF THE ARPA FUNDS, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT THAT WAS PUT OUT EARLIER THIS YEAR.

UH, WE WERE APPROVED, UM, JUST RECENTLY AND, UM, THAT, UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR IS 3 MILLION, 846,700, $2 AND 69 CENTS.

AND

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SO THE WAY THIS GRANT WILL WORK, IT WILL BE, UM, UH, I WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, UM, REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXPENSES THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD.

SOME EXPENSES WILL BE LATER THIS YEAR, THE EXPENSES CAN, UH, BEGIN AS EARLY AS MARCH 1ST, 2020 AND, UH, AND GO THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, SINCE WE WERE JUST GRANTED IT, UM, WE HAVE ONE YEAR TO SUBMIT ALL OF THE EXPENSE REQUESTS AGAIN TO, UH, 3 MILLION, 846,700, $2 AND 69 CENTS.

THAT'S GREAT NEWS, JIM.

AND SO, SO THIS LEGISLATION I SHOULD GET TO THE POINT OF THE PURPOSE OF THE LEGISLATION IS TO SET UP A FUND TO TRACK THOSE EXPENSES AND REVENUES.

UM, UH, I IMAGINE THIS WOULD BE FINISHED BY THE END, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A YEAR, UH, I'LL TRY AND HAVE ALL THOSE, UH, EXPENSES SUBMITTED BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR.

SO THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF, UH, AND THIS YEAR BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT WE HAVE UNTIL NEXT YEAR IF WE NEED IT.

SO, UM, THIS IS JUST SETTING UP THE FUND, UH, SIMILAR TO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN I HAD YOU SET UP THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUND.

UM, ANYTIME WE GET GRANTS, ESPECIALLY FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, WE REALLY SHOULD TRACK IT IN A SEPARATE FUND, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR WITH THE CORONA VIRUS, UH, FUND THAT WE SET UP.

AND, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TO MIX THE FUNDS EITHER.

SO EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE FEDERAL GRANT DOLLARS, WE SHOULDN'T BE MIXING THE ARPA WITH THE CORONAVIRUS FROM LAST YEAR.

AND WE ALSO SHOULD NOT, UM, MIX THE SHUTTER VENUE OPERATORS GRANT FUND WITH THAT.

SO THIS LEGISLATION IS SETTING UP THE SEPARATE IS SETTING UP THE FUND AND SETTING UP A NEW FUND.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. BELDEN VIA A SEPARATE ACCOUNT SET UP FOR THIS, CORRECT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? LET'S SEPARATE FUND IT JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND, THE POLICE FUND, THE FIRE FUND, DIFFERENT BUCKETS, DIFFERENT BUCKETS.

THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.

YES, MARTIN.

JIM, COULD YOU ILLUSTRATE, WHAT LEVEL OF EFFORT YOU AND YOUR STAFF WENT THROUGH TO OBTAIN THIS? HE'S LIKE YOU GOT AN HOUR.

UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE, UM, I BACK IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, UM, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND, UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE THIS FINALLY COME TO FRUITION.

UM, UH, ANY FEDERAL GRANT TAKES A LOT AND, UH, KEITH'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I KNOW KEITH HAS APPLIED FOR FEDERAL GRANTS BEFORE, AND IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT AND THE EFFORTS NOT DONE YET.

UH, I KNOW, UM, I'M GOING TO BE COUNTING ON MY STAFF MORE NOW THAT WE'RE AT THE EXPENSE, UM, UH, SIDE AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE SUBMIT LOTS OF PROOF FOR ALL THE EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE, UM, INCURRED OVER THE LAST, UH, YEAR.

AND IT'LL BE, UH, ALMOST TWO YEARS.

UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REOPENING THIS YEAR, WE ARE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT EXPENSES FOR, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON THIS YEAR IN OUR EFFORTS TO REOPEN.

SO, AND IS HAVING MIMI AS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY GOING TO BE HELPFUL OR HAS BEEN HELPFUL? ABSOLUTELY.

SO SOME OF THE REPORTS ARE GOING TO BE AN EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE OUR EXPENSES.

SOME OF THEIR EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE, UH, WHAT MADE ME HAS PAID ON OUR BEHALF BECAUSE, UH, WE HIRE THEM TO DO THE, UH, OPERATIONS AND, UH, AND RUN THE, UM, THE MUSIC CENTER.

SO A LOT OF THE REPORTS, UM, I WAS ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT THEY PROVIDE ME FOR, UM, SOME OF THEIR, THEIR LEDGER AND, UH, AND DETAILS FOR DEVELOPING THE BUDGET THAT WE REQUESTED FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS PAYBACK.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, ALTHOUGH I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO IT TONIGHT THAT, UH, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL MONIES RELEASED.

UM, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE WERE TIER THREE.

SO THERE WERE, UM, MIMI ON THE OTHER PLACES THAT THEY, UM, UM, DO LIKE CINCINNATI SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA AND, AND RIVERBEND THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THEIR MONEY FOR AWHILE.

SO, UH, WE WERE TIER THREE BECAUSE WE WERE A CITY AND WE HAVE OTHER REVENUES.

SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN APPROVED, BUT I AM AWARE THAT THERE ARE, THERE WAS A POT OF MONEY FOR THIS, AND IT HAS NOT ALL BEEN REQUESTED.

SO, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A POP, UH, POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD EVEN HAVE MORE MONEY DOWN THE ROAD.

NICE WORK.

UH, GREAT JOB, KIM, FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF.

UM, AM I CORRECT IN REMEMBERING THAT, UH, NONE OF THESE FUNDS WILL GO TO MIMI BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY GOT THEIR OWN.

THAT IS CORRECT.

IT'S BY THE, THE, A, IT GOES BY WHO OWNS THE FACILITY.

WITH THE SCOTT GO TO, UM, UH, TALK TO THAT ABOUT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE WITH, I THINK IT WAS SOME SOUND CURTAINS OR, UM, THOSE WERE PART OF THE BUDGET.

AND ALSO IF WE HAD, WOULD YOU MIND CALL DELAYED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROWS? WOULD THAT QUALIFY IF WE WANTED TO DO UPGRADES THAT WE COULD SAY WERE DELAYED, WOULD THAT QUALIFY? I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

UM, THE BUDGET THAT I ALREADY SUBMITTED, WHICH WE ARE TO BE HELD TO DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT IT DOES INCLUDE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE MADE JUST RECENTLY LAST YEAR

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THINGS LIKE THE BAFFLES AND THE TOUCHLESS FIXTURES AND THE MAG MAGNETOMETERS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT THOSE CAME OUT OF OTHER FUNDS, DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T, THEY COME OUT OF THE PREVIOUS STIMULUS FUNDS? NO, THE TOUCHLESS FEATURES, YES, THOSE DID.

SO I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR, FOR THOSE.

I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? DOUBLE DIP.

UM, AND THOSE WERE APPLIED TO, UH, JUST, THOSE WERE APPLIED TO THE, UH, TO LAST YEAR'S, UH, EXPENSES.

SO WE WILL NOT BE INCLUDING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

AND INJECTION MOVING THE CREATION OF THE FUND ONTO THE MEETING MONDAY.

AND WE DON'T KNOW THIS CAN BE TO READING OR TO READING, SO IT'S JUST, YEAH.

JUST RESOLUTION.

SO WE'RE GOOD SOLUTIONS HAVE ONE READING IS ALL THAT'S REQUIRED.

[ Police Division – Traffic Control Unit]

NEXT UP IS I'M IN 3D, WHICH IS THE POLICE DIVISION FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT.

SO JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND, WE HAD A, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE'VE BEEN GETTING, I KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL HAS BEEN GETTING, UH, REPORTS OF RECKLESS DRIVERS, SPEEDERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS RUNNING STOP SIGNS.

I MEAN, JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR STREETS BEING TREATED LIKE DRAG STRIPS, AND WE'VE ALL BEEN HEARING THESE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE COME UP.

SO THAT LED TO, UM, US HAVING KIND OF A, A TRAFFIC TOWN HALL WILLIAMS. AND, UH, SOME RESIDENTS SHOWED UP, WE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE COME AND SPEAK, GIVE SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS.

WE HAD, UH, WE HAD THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, MR. LIGHTENER HERE AT THAT TIME TO ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW THE, HOW THE CITY AND HOW THE POLICE ACTUALLY MONITOR, UH, AND OR HOW THEY PATROL THE ACTUAL STREETS.

SO, UM, UM, I'LL, I'LL LET, MARK, IF YOU WILL KIND OF GO OVER THAT JUST BRIEFLY AGAIN ON, UM, HOW WE DO PATROL THE STREETS AND THE DIFFERENT BEATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, AND SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT MEETING THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAD THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE AS WE COME FORWARD WOULD BE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UM, CREATE KIND OF A TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT OR DIVISION WITHIN THE POLICE FORCE, WHERE WE ACTUALLY COULD HAVE SPECIFIC OFFICERS, UH, WORKING DURING THE DAY DURING PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES, UM, TO ACTUALLY PATROL STREETS IN THE MORNINGS, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL AREAS, ALL THOSE REAL IMPORTANT AREAS THAT WE GOT, PEOPLE DRIVING LIKE MANIACS.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT.

I THINK SO I, I TALKED TO SCOTT AND I KIND OF WANTED TO HEAR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE SPECIFICALLY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THIS COUNCIL COULD ANALYZE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN HELPING CREATE THAT TRAFFIC CONTROL UNIT FOR YOU.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY IS DOING WELL FINANCIALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION.

AND I THINK WE, UH, HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER INTO, UM, OUR GOOD FORTUNATE CITY AND WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY TO THEN OFFER THE RESOURCES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO ANSWER THE CALL FOR WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.

AND THAT IS, UH, MORE AVAILABILITY OF OFFICERS TO PATROL THE STREETS, LOOKING FOR THOSE SPECIFIC TYPE VIOLATIONS.

SO THAT'S WHY THE, UM, ITEM IS ONLY AGENDA THIS EVENING.

AND THAT'S WHY WHILE YOU'RE HERE.

SO, UH, IF YOU WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT, BUT LET ME START WITH, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT NOW WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, MINIMUM STAFFING AND OUR BEAT ARRANGEMENT.

AS WELL AS I DO FIVES GROWING LIKE CRAZY.

SO THE CITY IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR BEATS AND THE NORTH SOUTH SOUTH DIVIDER IS INTERSTATE 70 AND CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

SO ANYTHING NORTH OF INTERSTATE 70 AND WEST OF BRANT PIKE, 2 0 1, ALL THE WAY UP TO MIAMI COUNTY IS THE FIVE METER.

ANYTHING WEST OF HARSHMAN BELL ROAD, NORTH OF CHAMBERSBURG IS THE THREE BEAT.

ANYTHING EAST OF HORSEMAN, BELL ROAD, NORTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD IS THE FOUR BEAT ANYTHING SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD AND WEST OF, OF, UH, HARTFORD WOODENVILLE IS THE ONE BEAT.

AND THEN EVERYTHING SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG AND EAST OF PARCHMAN VILLE IS THE ONE BEAT.

SO WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO HAVE, I WANTED WAS FIVE IN ONE MINIMUM STAFFING, MEANING FIVE OFFICERS AND ONE SUPERVISOR MINIMUM.

SO YOU CAN'T DROP BELOW THAT IF YOU DO WITH, WHETHER IT BE INJURIES, WHETHER IT BE LEAVE TIME, WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO COVER IT.

WE'RE DONE.

WE DON'T DROP BELOW FIVE.

AND ONE, WHY WAS THAT ABLE TO DO THAT AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT ON AFTERNOON SHIFT, WHICH IS THE TWO TO 10 SHIFT AND MIDNIGHT SHIFT ON THE WEEKENDS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT ON DAY SHIFT.

SO THERE'S MANY TIMES ON DAY SHIFT, THE THREE BEAT CAR, ACTUALLY IT HAS TO COVER FIVE BEAT ALSO.

WELL, YOU KNOW,

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SO WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

SO I DO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TWO UNFUNDED POSITIONS BACK RAISING THAT UP TO 54 WHEN COUNCIL AGREED TO GIVE US THE TWO UNFUNDED BACK, UH, THIS YEAR.

SO, RIGHT RIGHT NOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE OFFICERS IN THE FTO PROGRAM.

CAUSE I HAD, I HAD FOUR OFFICERS RETIRE LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR, I'M SORRY.

BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, I GOT THREE OFFICERS IN THE FTO PROGRAM RIGHT NOW BEING TRAINED.

UM, TWO OFFICERS START A WEEK FROM TODAY AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WE'LL START, UH, AROUND MID INTO SEPTEMBER.

SO WE WILL HAVE SEVEN NEW OFFICERS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL BE AT OUR FULL STAFFING TO 54, AS LONG AS NOBODY RETIRES, WE'LL BE AT OUR FULL STAFF INTO 54.

SO MY, MY PLAN IS NOW TO, UM, COME NOVEMBER 1ST IS TO GO TO A MINIMUM OF FIVE AND ONE AND MAINTAIN THEM.

SO WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE FIVE BIG CARS OUT IN ONE SUPERVISOR.

AND THEN THAT WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY, AND THOSE TWO UNFUNDED POSITIONS BACK NOW WITH LET'S TALK ABOUT TARGETED ENFORCEMENT AND TRAFFIC SERVICES.

SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT MADE UP OF A SERGEANT, SERGEANT CARR, A PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER WHO WE, UH, OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER, UH, RETIRED AT SUBAR WORKS AT THE, UH, FIREHOUSE NOW, UM, JUST HAD INTERVIEWS INTERNALLY FOR THAT POSITION.

AND THAT POSITION WAS JUST ASSIGNED ACTUALLY TODAY, UM, AFTER GOING THROUGH INTERVIEWS AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, THEY MAKE UP THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT IS WHAT WE CALL A TARGETED ENFORCEMENT UNIT AND A PUBLIC, A TRAFFIC SERVICES UNIT.

BUT NONE OF, NEITHER OF THOSE UNITS ARE, ARE MANNED FULL-TIME.

SO THE TRAFFIC SERVICES UNIT IS ONLY IF YOU, IF YOU THINK OF OUR POLICY TRAFFIC SERVICES UNIT, IT IS ONLY THE ACCIDENT INVESTIGATORS WHO ARE RECONSTRUCTIONIST THAT ARE TRAINED TO INVESTIGATE SERIOUS INJURY ACCIDENTS OR FATAL ACCIDENTS.

AND THEY'RE THERE JUST ON AN ON-CALL BASIS WHEN IT OCCURS, THEY GET CALLED IN THAT IS OUR UNIT.

NO FULL-TIME STAFF, OUR TARGETED ENFORCEMENT UNIT ISN'T MADE UP OF ANY STAFF.

SO IF WE HAVE A LET'S SAY, CAUSE WE DON'T ONLY GET TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS, WE ALSO GET QUALITY OF LIFE TYPE ISSUES TOO.

SO WE GET THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR MIGHT BE SELLING DRUGS, A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE.

UM, WE MAY GET, UH, JUVENILE COMPLAINTS OR PEOPLE STEALING.

WE'RE GETTING A RASH OF, UH, PEOPLE GETTING INTO UNLOCKED CARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO LET'S SAY WE COMPILE LIKE A LOT OF THESE COMPLAINTS.

WE HAVE A HALF A DOZEN OF THEM, THEN WE WILL FLEX AND OFFICER ON THE STREET MORE THAN ONE, WE'LL FLEX TWO TO THREE OFFICERS ON THE STREET WORKING FOR A WEEK OR TWO, AND THEY'LL TARGET AND FORCE THOSE AREAS.

AND THEY'LL HIT ON THOSE AREAS.

NOW, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THOUGH, IS WE HAVE TO BACKFILL THOSE, THOSE OFFICERS WE FLEX WITH OVERTIME.

SO ONCE THAT ONE OR TWO WEEK PERIOD OF TARGET ENFORCEMENT IS OVER, THEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR SHIFT AND THEN THEY CONTINUE ON THEIR SHIFT.

SO IDEALLY, UM, WOULD BE TO ADD THREE MORE PEOPLE TO THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS UNIT TO ADDRESS FULL-TIME, UM, TARGETED ENFORCEMENT AND, AND TRAFFIC SERVICES.

BUT IN MY MIND, IT'S MORE OF A COMBINATION.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIMIT IT JUST TO, UM, SPEED ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, STOP SIGNS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, SCHOOL ZONES, THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE TYPE COMPLAINTS THAT NEED ADDRESS ON A FULL-TIME BASIS THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE STAFFING TO HANDLE OTHER THAN TELLING THE OFFICERS ON THE ROAD, WATCH THIS HOUSE.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT'S DEPENDENT ON THEIR CALL LOAD, YOU KNOW, AND WHETHER THEY HAVE TIME TO SIT ON IT AND THEY MAY SIT ON, THEY GET CALLED AWAY TO A CALL.

SO IDEALLY IT WOULD BE TO COMBINE THAT INTO ONE GROUP AND THEY, THEY DON'T ONLY DO TRAFFIC SERVICES, BUT THEY DO QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES TOO.

SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SITUATION.

SO THREE MORE OFFICERS WOULD GIVE YOU THE RESOURCES TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH AND THREE MORE FULL-TIME OFFICERS TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF YEAH, BECAUSE I JUST PUT, I JUST REPLACED ED SAVARA IN, IN, IN, IN PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

SO THAT'S, WE HAVE OUR ONE PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER WHO MORE SO THAT PERSON'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO, IS TO, UH, PLAN ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT BE THE, UH, CITIZENS, POLICE ACADEMIES NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, UM, THEY WORK WITH THE SRO IS ON SAFETY TOWN.

THEY FILL IN FOR THE SROS, IF AN SRO IS OFF AN EXTENDED LEAVE AND WE NEED SOMEBODY AT THE SCHOOL, THAT'S GENERALLY THEIR ROLE, BUT THEY CAN, UM, BE USED ALSO AS A TARGET ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO, TO GO OUT AND HIT TARGET ENFORCEMENT

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AREAS TOO.

AND THEIR SCHEDULE IS FLEXIBLE.

IT'S NO SET HOURS.

IT'S NOT A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY EIGHT TO FOUR JOB.

IT'S WHENEVER THE NEED IS.

AND THE SERGEANT SERGEANT BRIAN CARR IS A SERGEANT OVER THAT UNIT.

HE DETERMINES ALONG WITH THE LIEUTENANT LIEUTENANT, ASHLEY IS THE, IS THE SECTION COMMANDER OVER THAT SECTION AND THE DETECTIVE SECTION.

THEN THEY DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRIORITY IS, WHAT THE TIMES ARE.

AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A PLAN TO HIT THOSE AREAS.

SO RIGHT NOW, SHOULD WE JUST DON'T HAVE FULL-TIME PEOPLE DEVOTED TO THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS, NANCY? UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU, WITH THE TWO FUNDED POSITIONS, NOW YOU HAVE FIVE THAT CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC, NO TRAFFIC, THE BEAT, THE BEAT STARTING AND STARTING.

I'LL, I'LL START THAT IN, UH, ON DECEMBER 1ST, BECAUSE BY THEN ALL OF THE NEW HIRES WILL BE OUT OF THE FTO PROGRAM.

WELL, THAT'D BE IN TWO SHIFTS OR JUST ONE.

THAT'S HOW NORMAL SHIFTS.

THAT'S OUR DAY SHIFT RUNS A SIX TO TWO AFTERNOON, TWO TO 10, AND THEN MIDNIGHT SHIFT, 10 TO SIX.

THEY ALL SELL RELEASE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DON? THANK YOU.

MA'AM UM, FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID, UM, AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, BECAUSE AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED HERE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE DIFFERENT BEATS IN THE CITY WORKED.

I THOUGHT YOU EXPLAINED IT VERY WELL DURING A TOWN HALL MEETING AND, UM, ADDRESSING THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HEAR FREQUENTLY ABOUT SPEEDERS AND PEOPLE BLOWING THROUGH STOP SIGNS.

UH, DO YOU FEEL THAT, UH, THERE'S A NEED TO ADD THOSE THREE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO CORRECT.

ALLOWS THE SITUATION.

DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD, WOULD THAT SOLVE A LOT OF THE ISSUES WE'RE HAVING WITH TRAFFIC AND YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO SOLVE IT COMPLETELY.

THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW? UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT US TO BE, IT'S JUST LIKE THE, THE PERMANENT SPEED, UH, ENFORCEMENT SIGNS WE PUT OUT, WE PUT ONE OUT ON HARSHMAN BELL, WE PUT ONE OUT ON CARRIE'S TRAILS AND WE PUT THEM OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A, AN OUTCRY FOR, UM, SOME SORT OF NOT ONLY FLASHER SPEED SLOWED DOWN, BUT, BUT THAT KEEPS DATA FOR US TOO.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO GO BACK OUR, OUR, UH, PUBLIC AFFAIRS, SERGEANT, SERGEANT CARR COLLECTS THAT DATA AND WE CAN SEE WHAT THE AVERAGE SPEEDS ARE WHEN THEY'RE OCCURRING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT WE CAN, UM, THAT WE CAN GATHER FROM THAT.

AND THEN THERE'S A, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T LET THE SPEED JUST KEEP GOING, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO, CAN PEOPLE SEEING WHO CAN GET THE HIGHEST SPEED ON THE SCREEN AND THEY DO THAT TOO.

SO IT CUTS OFF EVENTUALLY AND IT JUST SAYS SLOW DOWN.

BUT THEN WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE TELLING US, YOU KNOW, WE SET UP SPEED TRAPS, SO YOU CAN'T ALWAYS WIN.

BUT I THINK THAT DATA IS GOING TO HELP.

AND I THINK WITH THE, A UNIT, A FULL-TIME UNIT CAN DEVOTE ALL THE TIME TO NOT ONLY ANALYZING THE DATA OFF THESE MACHINES.

AND IF WE GET A COUPLE MORE OF THEM AND PUT A COUPLE MORE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, THEY CAN GET ALL THAT DATA, ANALYZE ALL THAT DATA AND COME UP WITH TIMES AND DATES AND AREAS TO, TO RUN TRAFFIC.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ENOUGH IN ITSELF.

WE COULD, YOU KNOW, A CITY, OUR SIZE COULD HAVE A FULL-TIME TRAFFIC SERVICES UNIT AND STAY EXTREMELY BUSY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SO MANY OTHER QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT AND NEEDS ADDRESS.

CAUSE MOST PEOPLE IN THE CITY AREN'T GOING TO BE VICTIMS OF CRIME.

MOST PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE JUST GOING TO BE IRRITATED BY QUALITY OF LIFE TYPE ISSUES.

SINCLAIR COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

SO WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT TOO.

SO IF WE CAN COMBINE THE TWO, UM, AND PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF VERY, UM, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME OFFICERS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE THE ABILITY, UH, BECAUSE IT TAKES AN ABILITY TO, TO, TO SEE THINGS OBSERVED, OBSERVE THINGS, KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

I MEAN, SOME OF THEM HAD THE KNACK FOR IT AND SUMMED UP, YOU KNOW, AND IT TAKES THAT NECK AND THEN SOME HAVE THE DRIVE TO GET OUT THERE AND, UM, AND DO THE SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY THAT IT TAKES TO, UM, BE SUCCESSFUL TO DO THAT.

AND WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF THOSE OPTIONS.

UM, I'LL BE BRINGING IN THESE SEVEN NEW ONES EVENTUALLY WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THE FTO PROGRAM.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TAKEN FROM OTHER AGENCIES, SOME VERY GOOD OFFICERS.

ONE OF OUR NEW OFFICERS IS A 10 YEAR VETERAN FROM COLUMBUS PD.

UH, ONE OF THEM IS, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK.

ONE CAME FROM RIVERSIDE AFTER FIVE YEARS OF RIVERSIDE, ANOTHER ONE, UH, UH, SPENT ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS AT, UH, ALLEN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

UM, ANOTHER ONE, UH, GREENVILLE, PD, UM,

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SO WE'RE, WE'RE DRAWING FROM THESE AREA DEPARTMENTS.

I MEAN, THEY WANT TO COME TO HEBREW HEIGHTS.

I MEAN, WE WERE A DEPARTMENT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO AND THEY DO COME HERE.

THEY DON'T LEAVE HERE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO THINK WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'LL HELP IMPROVE ANYMORE.

ONE QUESTION.

SO CURRENTLY AFTER WE'RE FULL-TIME IT WILL HAVE 54.

SO ADD THREE MORE, 1 57, RIGHT.

SO, SCOTT, I MEAN, SO AFTER YOU, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD, I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE LOOKED AT KIND OF A BUDGET IMPACT IN TERMS OF ADDING THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, POLICE OFFICERS AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE FUND AND ALL OF THAT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR US TO PROVIDE? UM, AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED IS THAT WE ARE COMING UP ON OUR BUDGET TIME.

UM, SO SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT JIM WILL BE CRUNCHING, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LOOK AT THAT, IN THAT PROCESS ABOUT, UH, BUT IN GENERAL, THREE PEOPLE, UM, IT WOULD BE ABOUT WITH BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING.

AND SO IT'S ABOUT A 270 TO $275,000 PERSONNEL COSTS, BUT THEN THERE'S VEHICLES AND UNIFORMS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'LL PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER IN THAT PROCESS.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IF WE COULD, UH, LOOK AT THAT THROUGH THE BUDGETING PROCESS, UM, AND THEN PRESENT THAT, OKAY, PERFECT.

UM, CHIEF, KIDWIND USED TO SAY FOR GRANT TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY TO COVER IT.

YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF THE GRANTS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT, AND WE HAVE SOME GRANTS, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE VEST GRANT AND WE HAVE THE OBL WE'RE PART OF THE OVI TASK FORCE GRANT.

SO WE PUT OFFICERS OUT THROUGH THE OBI TASK FORCE, THAT TASK FORCE, AND WE GET REIMBURSED THAT MONEY EVERY MONTH WE DO SATURATION PATROL, UH, BUT A LOT OF THOSE OTHER GRANTS, AT LEAST LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED, OR FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL ABILITY TO, TO WHETHER IT BE, UH, OUTFIT, UM, STAFF, UM, PROVIDE SERVICES THAT YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO A LOT OF THEM ARE GEARED TOWARD ALL THOSE.

THERE'S SO MANY POLICE AGENCIES OUT THERE, SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE THAT A LOT OF THEM FINANCIALLY, UM, AREN'T ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THEIR, THEIR THINGS THEY DO WITHOUT GRANT MONEY.

AND IT'S MORE GEARED TOWARDS, THANK YOU.

YES, MARTIN.

SO CHIEF LEITNER OR MR. V CASKEY IS THIS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AND THE COST FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND SALARIES AND BENEFITS.

RIGHT NOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS.

NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE MOVE INTO THE CITY, NO MONEY, NO MATTER HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BUILT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A MINIMUM STAFFING OF OFFICERS WORK IN THE RIGHT.

AND IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED DURING THE BUDGET.

SO, UM, I THINK JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I KNOW I, I HAVE, UM, JUST WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOW, UH, I DO BELIEVE WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE AS A CITY IN WHERE WE'RE AT FINANCIALLY SPEAKING AND KNOWING WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE.

I DO BELIEVE THOSE ARE REAL CONCERNS.

UM, WE SEE THEM EVERY DAY.

WE HEAR THEM EVERY DAY WE GET MESSAGES.

UM, I, AGAIN, I'VE, I'VE NEVER HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY ON THIS DIOCESE THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY TO THE, TO THE FULLEST.

I THINK WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ATTRACTING PEOPLE IN BUSINESSES THAT COME TO YOUR RIGHTS, WELL, THE FIRST THING IS NOBODY MOVES TO A COMMUNITY THAT THEY DON'T FEEL AS SAFE FOR THEM, THEIR FAMILY.

SO THAT'S, THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS SAFETY.

SO I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

SO, UM, I, I THINK WITH WHERE WE'RE AT, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE A REAL SERIOUS LOOK IN OUR, IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND, AND, UM, AND HOW WE CAN FULFILL WHAT THE, WHAT THE CHIEF IS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF GETTING THOSE OTHER THREE OFFICERS TO MAKE SURE HE HAS THE FLEXIBILITY AND THE RESOURCES HE NEEDS TO, UH, SPREAD THE WEALTH.

SO TO SPEAK OVER ALL THE DIFFERENT SHIFTS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

UH, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTARY OF THE WORK SESSION.

IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS SPECIFIC, UH, BEFORE I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT'S COMING FOR THE CITY, WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY ONGOING AND THE PROJECTED NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE THOSE THREE, OFFICER'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL INFLUX OF REVENANT RESIDENTS THAT COULD MOVE HERE.

OR DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL TO COVER? IF WE HAVE EVERY UNIT, EVERY HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT HAS A PERSON IN THERE WHERE IT CAN AT A, BUT AT LEAST A THOUSAND OR MORE NEW PEOPLE, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE STILL GOOD? I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESPONSE AND YOU TALK ABOUT MORE PEOPLE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MORE HOMES, REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RESPONSE TIME MORE THAN ANYTHING, BECAUSE

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SO WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND.

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT ALL THE 30 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.

WE'VE NEVER NOT BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND NOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE AS THE CITY GROWS AND HOW BIG YOUR DISTRICTS GET MIGHT AFFECT RESPONSE TO, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND.

IT'S JUST LIKE I TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, I SAID, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REACTIVE PATROL AND PROACTIVE, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN, WHEN YOU START BEING, WHEN YOU START BECOME LOWER AND STAFFING, LIKE WHEN WE HAD FIVE, BEFORE PEOPLE RETIRE THIS YEAR, YOU START BECOMING MORE REACTIVE, YOU'RE JUST TAKING CALLS AND THEN YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET OUT AND BE PROACTIVE BY DOING WHAT, WHAT THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, IS YOU'RE ABLE TO GO FROM REACTIVE AND ACTUALLY BE PROACTIVE.

AND THAT'S THE IDEA IS JUST TO GET OUT AND, AND BE PROACTIVE BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS BE REACTIVE.

WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THE STAFFING TO RE REACT.

EXCELLENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

WELL, I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO IN OUR, IN OUR BUDGETING PROCESS THAT I KNOW THAT THAT STARTS, I'M GOING TO SEE HOW THAT GOES TO THE IMPACT AND WOULD CERTAINLY URGE COUNCIL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE RESOURCES THAT THE CHIEF NEEDS.

SO THANK YOU.

NEXT TIME, THREE, WHICH IS PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

[ Parks Improvement Projects]

WHILE HE'S BRINGING THAT UP, I'LL JUST START WITH, UH, JUST WHILE WE'RE HERE AT THE LAST WORK SESSION IT WAS DISCUSSED.

UH, THERE WERE BASICALLY TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE THROWN BASICALLY ON THE TABLE ABOUT, UH, WHERE TO PUT A BICYCLE AMENITIES.

AND AT THE END OF THAT MEETING, UH, STAFF WAS, UH, ASKED TO COME BACK WITH LOOKING AT HOW TO, UM, PUT THE, ALL OF THE AMENITIES AT SOME ANITA FIELD AND, UH, DRAINAGE DETENTION, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND, UH, WE, UH, MR. KING IS HERE TO DISCUSS, UH, HOW THAT COULD WORK AND I'LL, I'LL JUST PASS IT ON.

SO HERE IS THE, UH, THE PICTURE IS IF YOU ADD THE RC TRACK AND THE PUMP TRACK OUT IN THE BASEBALL FIELDS, UH, IS WHAT THE ADDITIONAL IS.

AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT ADDING ANOTHER LOOP AROUND THE BACKSIDE THERE GOING THROUGH THE WOODS.

UM, THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT PLAN TO WORK IS TO REMOVE THOSE BASEBALL FIELDS.

UM, WE DO HAVE A GROUP INTERESTED AT ONCE TO SIGN A FIVE-YEAR LONG-TERM FOR THOSE TWO FIELDS, UH, POWER SPORTS.

AND, UH, THEY ALSO WANT TO WORK WITH LITTLE LEAGUE ABOUT TAKING OVER THE FIVE FIELDS AT CLOUD PARK THAT LITTLE LEAGUE HAS, AND WORKING WITH LITTLE LEAGUE TO GET THOSE FIELDS UP AND THOSE LEAGUES UP AND RUNNING AGAIN AS WELL.

UM, SO I MEAN, LOOKING AT YOU, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT THE BLUE, BUT WE'VE GOT A DETENTION AREA DOWN IN THE LONG STRETCH.

UM, ONE KIND OF BEHIND THE CHURCH PROPERTY NEAR WHERE THEIR DETENTION AREA ALREADY IS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THERE.

OH YEAH.

AND THE CONCESSIONARY KIND OF AT THE END OF THE DEAD END THERE THAT BACK ALMOST CALLED A SAC AREA.

SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE WATER AND ELECTRIC THERE, THAT'S KIND OF THE MOST OUT OF THE WAY SPACE WHERE YOU COULD DROP IN.

UM, I THINK YOU WERE TALKING VENDING MACHINE TYPE CONCESSIONS, UH, SO WE COULD DROP IN A SNACK MACHINE AND DRINK MACHINE AND THEN EVENTUALLY PROBABLY PUT UP, UH, JUST A SMALL RESTROOM SHELTER THERE AS WELL WITH THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE.

SO HOW BIG IS THE, HOW BIG IS THE RC TRACK? COULD THAT RSE TRACK BE MOVED DOWN NEXT TO WHAT BEHIND THAT CHURCH PROPERTY NEXT TO THE, UM, TO THAT RETENTION AND AN OPEN UP THAT THE BASEBALL DIAMOND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE KIND OF THE REGULATION SIZE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE RC TRACK IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO, I MEAN, IT CAN PROBABLY, I MEAN, THAT LOOKS PRETTY BIG.

I MEAN, EITHER THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT SPARE RC TRACK AND KEEP THAT BASEBALL DIAMOND WITHOUT HAVING A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO.

WE'VE GOT TO KEEP SOME KIND OF BUFFER BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE SITTING THERE WATCHING THE GAME CAN PAY ATTENTION TO THE GAME WITHOUT WORRIED ABOUT CAR WINDS AND BUY HIM ANYTHING.

UM, ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S LISTED IN, UH, THIS THAT'S, UH, SHOWED AN INTEREST IN LACING IN THOSE FIELDS.

WHAT IS THE REVENUE TO THE CITY FOR THEM TO DO THAT OVER FIVE YEARS? IF WE DO JUST LIKE WE DO ALL OUR OTHER FIELDS AT $200 PER FIELD.

SO YOU'D BE LOOKING AT $2,000 OVER FIVE YEARS OVER FIVE YEARS.

UM,

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AND HAVE WE DONE A, AN ANALYSIS YET ANALYSIS YET ON OUR FIELD USAGE FOR OUR BASEBALL? WELL, WE HAVE ZERO BECAUSE LITTLE LEAGUE DIDN'T HAVE A SEASON THIS YEAR.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE YMCA USES, UM, COTTONWOOD FOR THEIR T-BALL LEAGUE.

WE HAVE THE LEAGUE, THAT'S USING THE FIELD ON THE LEFT CURRENTLY, WHICH IS THEY ARE A MEMBER OF THE POWER SPORTS LEAGUE.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT 2018, 2019 TO SEE WHAT WE HAD.

UM, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.

WHAT ABOUT THE FIELD? SO WE HAVEN'T READ PREP ROAD.

WE DON'T HAVE FIELDS IN RIP ROAD.

THOSE BELONG TO WHOM, BECAUSE I KNOW MY GRANDSON HAS PLAYED OUT.

THERE WAS A BRICK CITY.

DON'T BELONG TO THE CITY.

UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY AREAS OPEN ANYWHERE.

UM, DO WE NOT HAVE THE LAND THAT USED TO BE USED FOR T-BALL OVER ON, UH, CROSS HIMSELF FOR GROVE AT TITUS? ISN'T THERE A BIG LOT BACK IN THERE THAT COULD BE USED.

THERE USED TO BE LIKE FOUR T-BALL FIELDS IN THERE, AND THEN THEY BUILT THE MAINTENANCE GARAGE, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF LAND IN THERE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR LAND.

I DON'T KNOW WHOSE LAND THAT IS.

THAT'S A SCHOOL PROPERTY.

UM, BUT HE, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S LEFT OF THAT.

AND AFTER THE MAINTENANCE GARAGE WAS BUILT, RIGHT.

WELL, THE, THE TEAMS WERE USING IT BEFORE THEY BUILT THE MAINTENANCE GARAGE.

THERE WERE TWO BIG FIELDS AND THEN I BELIEVE FOUR T-BALL FIELDS.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ROOM THERE, IF WE COULDN'T USE SOME OF THAT ROOM.

WELL, I MEAN, I, I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION.

THAT'S NOT OUR LAND TO USE.

UM, SO I MEAN, AS FAR AS CITY LAND, WE HAVE THE TWO FIELDS THAT SHOAL GATE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING TO SUPPORT IF YOU WERE TO HAVE TWO GAMES AT THAT FACILITY.

UM, AND WITH THOSE FIELDS, YOU WOULD, AGAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE PARKING BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BACK ON CHARLES GATE AREA COMING IN.

UM, AND THE, AGAIN, THOSE FIELDS NEED COMPLETELY REDONE AS WELL.

UM, SO YOU'VE GOT THESE TWO FIELDS HERE.

YOU'VE GOT FIVE FIELDS AT CLOUD PARK OUT OF THOSE FIVE, THREE OF THOSE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN JUST TILLED UP BASELINES THAT THEY USE FOR T-BALL.

THEN YOU HAVE TO ACTUAL, UH, DIRT AND FIELDS OVER THERE.

WELL, SORRY, I TAKE THAT BACK FIELD ONE AS WELL UP BY THE SPLASH PAD.

UM, BUT THE FIELDS FROM LITTLE LEAGUE ALL NEED WORK DONE TO THEM IN THE FIELD, BY THE SPLASH PAD NEEDS COMPLETELY REDONE AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, POWER SPORTS WANTS TO WORK WITH LITTLE LEAGUE TO HELP BRING THEIR LEAGUE BACK.

ESSENTIALLY.

I THINK THAT THE WAY THE CONVERSATION WENT, HE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF OR THE BOARD TO DO THIS, COME UNDER OUR UMBRELLA, WE'LL OPERATE IT THIS WAY.

THEN THAT WAY POWER SPORTS HAS SEVEN WOULD HAVE SEVEN FIELDS IN HUBER.

THEY SERVE 75 TO A HUNDRED KIDS IN HUBER, BUT THEY SERVICE HUNDREDS OF KIDS FROM KETTERING TO TIPP CITY WITH THEIR LEAGUE.

SO, BUT THEY SAID THEY DO HAVE BETWEEN 75 AND A HUNDRED THAT ARE REGISTERED IN THE CITY OF HUBER THAT PLAY IN THEIR LEAGUES, LIKE POWER SPORTS, THE LEAGUE THAT THEY RUN.

BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF OUR KIDS HAVE GONE TO OUTSIDE CITIES TO THEIR SPORTS TEAMS. WELL, YEAH.

AND THAT SOME OF THOSE COULD BE POWER SPORTS.

THEY'RE NOT BASED IN HUMOR, BUT THEY HAVE HUBER RESIDENTS IN THEIR LEAGUE.

SO, AND TWO SPEAKING WITH, UM, THE GENTLEMEN FROM AMERICAN RAMP, ALEC BELDEN, HE HAS BEEN ON SITE AT, UH, MONITA KIND OF WHEN THEY CAME TO BID EVERYTHING, HE WAS IN TOWN AND STOPPED BY AND LOOKED AT IT.

AND IN HIS OPINION, I MEAN THAT HILLSIDE GOING UP THROUGH THERE.

I MEAN, HE SAYS OLDER KIDS THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR, BUT HE SAID THAT HILLSIDE WOULD BE TREACHEROUS FOR LITTLE KIDS ON THAT SKILLS LOOP.

SO HE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND HAVING ANY OF THAT SKILLS LOOP CUT ACROSS THAT HILL AT ALL, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, COMING UP THAT, AND THEN COMING BACK DOWN THAT, ESPECIALLY A KID THAT'S LEARNING AND JUST GETTING USED TO THINGS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY, UH, VERY FUN OR SAFE FOR THEM ON THAT HILLSIDE LIKE THAT WITH THE INCLINE THAT IT HAS.

SO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO ADD TWO BASEBALL FIELDS TO CLOUD PARK TO, TO MOVE THOSE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS TO CLOUD PARK? I MEAN, LOOK, I, I TOTALLY GET THERE'S TENSION BETWEEN SOCCER AND BASEBALL.

SO I MEAN, HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT PART? 126 TOTAL.

YOU SHARE THE SPACE IN THE OUTFIELD, JUST THE SPACE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THEM ON WITH THAT FOOTPRINT, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THREE TO FOUR SOCCER FIELDS.

I MEAN, IT SEEMS THERE'S GOTTA BE A COMPROMISE TO BE ABLE TO FIND ROOM FOR, FOR TWO BAYS FOR TWO BASEBALL DIAMONDS.

WELL, TWO BASEBALL DIAMONDS ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THREE TO FOUR SOCCER FIELDS ALTOGETHER.

UM, EVEN IF

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TOTALLY.

UM, SO WE ALREADY HAVE SOCCER FIELDS ARE AT KAHN PARK IF WE SET IT UP, BUT EVERYTHING WE HAVE TRYING TO THINK 17 OR 18, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE EVERYTHING SET UP, INCLUDING, AND THAT'S USING ALL THE OUTFIELDS OF ALL THE BASEBALL, DIAMONDS AND SOCCER FIELDS THAT WE HAVE NOW.

EXCUSE ME.

WHAT ABOUT IF WE RECONFIGURE SOME, I KNOW THAT THAT FIRST, THAT FIRST FIELD, WHEN YOU CAME INTO CLOUD PARK, I THINK IT'S NUMBERED ONE THAT'S NEVER USED.

SO, AND, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE REASON IT'S NOT USED IS BECAUSE THE SOCCER FIELDS, THEY CAN'T, THEY IT'S ONLY NOT USED IN THE FALL.

CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THERE'S SOCCER FIELDS THERE.

UM, THERE WAS A TEAM THAT HAS USED IT ALL THIS SEASON FOR PRACTICE.

UM, ONLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T SUITABLE TO PLAY GAMES ON.

UM, BUT THEY HAVE EXPRESSED WANTING TO COME BACK AS WELL.

UM, AND USE THAT FIELD.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO REDO IT, THEY WOULD USE IT MORE.

THEY WERE A SELECT LEAGUE OUT OF VANDALIA, I BELIEVE.

UM, THAT WAS LOOKING FOR FIELD SPACE.

SO WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS A LOT OF TEAMS FROM ACTION SPORTS THAT, THAT PLAY THEIR GAMES AND ACTION SPORTS.

BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BUSY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PRACTICE.

SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO.

WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR NICE PRACTICE FIELDS THAT THEY CAN ALSO HOLD OTHER GAMES AT WHEN THEY'RE NOT RUNNING THEIR REGULAR GAMES AND ACTION SPORTS.

THERE'S STILL AN ORGANIZATION.

SO, LIKE I SAID, FIELD ONE GETS USED.

IT JUST DOESN'T GET USED IN THE FALL.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THEIR SOCCER FIELDS THERE.

MEMORIAL DAY, WEEKEND, LABOR DAY, WEEKEND.

AND THEN DURING THE FALL SOCCER SEASON OR NOT LABOR DAY, BUT THE FALL CLASSIC.

WELL, ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF OUR FIELDS NEED TO BE REWORKED.

CAN WE RECONFIGURE TO MAKE, TO MAKE, UH, MAKE THEM MORE USABLE FOR BOTH BASEBALL AND SOCCER? WELL, THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH BASEBALL AND SOCCER.

THERE'S CONFLICT WITH SOFTBALL AND SOCCER, BUT IT'S MORE OF A, IT'S JUST MORE OF WHERE THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE LOCATED AROUND THE CONCESSION STAND.

BUT RECONFIGURING IS, I MEAN, ANYTHING YOU RECONFIGURE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THE FIELDS ARE ALL WEDGED TOGETHER AND TUCK TOGETHER.

I MEAN, IF YOU TAKE THEM APART THAT WAY, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO LOSE MORE SOCCER FIELDS.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE FIELDS BEING USED BY CLUB OHIO.

WE'VE GOT NINE FIELDS BEING USED BY HUBER HEIGHTS, REC SOCCER.

AND THEN WE HAVE TWO FIELDS THAT FLOAT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN A FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE OVER IN THE FIELD BY THE SPLASH PAD.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE ON OTHER SOCCER FIELDS, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WEAR AND TEAR THERE IS, WE FLOAT THEM AROUND.

SO WE DON'T DESTROY FIELDS ALTOGETHER.

SO I MEAN, IF YOU RECONFIGURE ANYTHING, YOU'RE JUST LOSING MORE SOCCER FIELDS AND MORE OPEN FIELD SPACE.

WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THE LEAGUE.

WHO'S WHO'S, WHO'S WORKING TO RECONFIGURE.

THAT WOULD BE POWER THAT'S.

THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN POWER SPORTS AND HUBER HEIGHTS, LITTLE LEAGUE.

THAT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING WE'D BE INVOLVED WITH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE UBERIZE LITTLE LEAGUE ANYMORE.

THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A SEASON THIS YEAR.

THEY DON'T HAVE THEM ANYWHERE.

DO THEY? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE'RE, WE'RE BETTING ON THEM COMING BACK AGAIN.

AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE.

SO WE'RE SACRIFICING A PLAN HERE WITH A ROBUST, UH, A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES ON A HOPE, UH, THE LITTLE LEAGUES GOING TO COME BACK.

AND IT SAID THAT THIS OUT OF TOWN GROUP IS GOING TO COME IN AND COMMIT GROUP SAID, HEY, WE'LL TAKE ALL SEVEN FIELDS RIGHT NOW.

BUT I TOLD THEM, I SAID, I CAN'T TOUCH THOSE FIVE FIELDS AT CLOUD PARK THAT LITERALLY USES, I SAID, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THOSE FIELDS BECAUSE THE LITTLE LEAGUE'S OPINION HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONCE THEY BUILT THE SCHOOL THAT THE CITY PROMISED THEM, THAT THOSE FIVE FIELDS AT CLOUD WOULD ALWAYS BE THEIRS.

AND IT'S A WHOLE THING.

SO I DON'T, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING IN WRITING.

SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS GROUP ALREADY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF LITERALLY HE'S NOT COMING BACK, WE'LL TAKE ALL SEVEN FIELDS RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL SIGN A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT FOR ALL OF THEM.

AND, UH, WE'LL BE IN THERE FIRST THING IN THE SPRING.

SO THERE, IT'S NOT HOPING THAT LITERALLY COMES BACK IF THEY DON'T THIS OTHER LEAGUES ALREADY WILLING TO JUMP IN.

AND BECOME A VIABLE ORGANIZATION AGAIN.

I GUESS WHAT BOTHERS ME MOST IS WE'VE LOST SO MANY OF OUR LOCAL ATHLETES HERE.

THEY'VE GONE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THEY, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY HAVE GAMES OUT AT ACTION SPORTS.

THEY GO PRACTICE THEY'RE ON TEAMS, OUTSIDE OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO BRING OTHER, OTHER CITIES TEAMS IN HERE.

UM, I, I, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S BENEFITING OUR LOCAL YOUTH.

UH, I, WE DON'T CONTROL THE LEAGUES.

THEY'RE OFTEN THEY'RE THEIR OWN ENTITIES.

SO WE JUST KIND OF LET THEM, YEAH, I'D LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE OUR KIDS COME BACK.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS THAT WAS IN THE, IN THE BASEBALL, UH, THAT'S WHY THEY WENT AWAY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET PASSED AT AND REACTIVATE AND GET TO GET OVER THAT

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BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

AND I'D HATE TO TAKE A PLAN THAT IS SITTING IN FRONT OF US WITH REAL POTENTIAL BETTING ON OVERCOMING POLITICS AND, AND A HOST OF OTHER THINGS OF UNKNOWNS IN ORDER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M STILL LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION, I GUESS.

I THINK ALLOWING THOSE LEAGUES, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LONG-TERM LEASE, UM, WITH THEIR AGREEANCE, AS I UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE PUTTING MONEY INTO UPGRADES PAST THE, BASICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE FIELDS.

AND I GUESS MAYBE I'LL CALL IT SKINNING THE FIELDS, GETTING THEM KIND OF BASIC LAID OUT, BUT THEN THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL MONIES AND EFFORT FOR DUGOUTS THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND UPGRADES.

CORRECT? YEAH.

THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING THAT WE DID WITH SOFTBALL.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BUY THE MATERIALS TO BUILD THE DUGOUTS.

WE WOULD BUILD THEM.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE FIVE FIELDS AROUND THE CONCESSION STAND.

WE OFFERED THAT OVER TO LITTLE LEAGUE AS WELL.

THEY WERE NEVER TOO INTERESTED.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT GETTING SOMEBODY IN THERE THAT PAINT FENCES AND THE BACKSTOPS.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY SAID, IF WE WANT TO, IF, IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE TWO FIELDS, IF WE'RE GOING TO REDO THE INSIDE, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL WORK WITH US AND GET ALL THE REPAINTED, GET EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT BRAND NEW OVER THERE AND HAVE IT NICE AND SHINY AND READY TO GO.

SO IT MATCHES EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING PUT IN THERE.

I KNOW THAT, UM, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT SOMETHING DOWN IN WARD ONE AND I GET THAT.

SO WE GET SOME, WE CAN GET MUCH NEEDED UPGRADES TO A LOT OF OUR FIELDS TO OUR LOCAL CHILDREN, UM, BEING ACTIVE IN THE YOUTH SPORTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN A BIG PART OF THE ISSUE AS WELL AS A LOT OF THE KIDS THAT LEFT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE GOOD QUALITY FIELDS TO PLAY ON.

SO THEY FIND OTHER LEAGUES.

I KNOW PARENTS THAT HAVE MOVED THEIR KIDS FOR THAT REASON, UH, TO GET BETTER FIELD CONDITIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THIS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT MIGHT CORRECT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES TO GIVE OUR KIDS THOSE BETTER FIELDS TO PLAY ON.

UH, ADDITIONALLY I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PRIOR, UM, WITH THE PUMP TRACK, UH, SKILLS TRACK AND, UM, UH, THE SKILLS LOOP BEING DOWN AT THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY ON POWELL.

UH, IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WAY WE GET MORE AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE PLUS THE LAYOUT IS MUCH BETTER, UH, ALLOWS US TO PUT IN SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THIS JUST CRAMMED IN THERE.

UM, AND AGAIN, TO THE LAST CONVERSATION THAT I RECALL THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE USE THE, THAT PROPERTY ON POWELL ROAD FOR THOSE AMENITIES AS THEY WOULD FIT IN THERE MUCH BETTER.

AND WE STILL ALLOW US TO UTILIZE THE BUILDING AS A COMMUNITY CENTER, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THERE AS WELL.

UM, I THINK TRYING TO CRAM EVERYTHING INTO ONE SPOT AND RUN OUT AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S WILLING TO INVEST IN OUR CITY AND INTO OUR KIDS IS JUST NOT A GREAT IDEA WHEN WE CAN HAVE ALL OF IT.

WE CAN GET ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES IN THE CITY.

PLUS GET OUR FIELDS UPGRADED, GET A LONG-TERM CONTRACT WITH THIS GROUP TO HAVE SOME QUALITY SPORTS IN THE CITY.

AND THAT SOUNDS TO ME TO BE A WIN ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING, PACKING EVERYTHING INTO ONE AREA.

WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, ACTUALLY WE PROVIDE FOR MORE RESIDENTS IN THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES A PARK SPACE IN AN AREA OF THE CITY.

THAT'S IN PROXIMITY TO A LOT OF FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT ACCESS RIGHT NOW.

SO I AM STILL MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF THOSE PARTICULAR AMENITIES THAT WERE INITIALLY PROPOSED TO DIAL GOING AT TO POWER ROAD LOCATION.

I THINK IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE, ALLOWS US TO, UM, TO PROVIDE THOSE THINGS TO EVERYONE, TO WRITE ALL THIS STUFF AND KEEP OUR BASEBALL FIELDS AND UPGRADE THOSE AMENITIES AS WELL.

AND, UM, AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, IS THAT STILL WHERE STAFF STANDS ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF POWER ROAD BEING THE BETTER LOCATION FOR LAYOUT PURPOSES? YEAH.

CAN WE BUILD, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND IN THE COMMUNITY AND CAN WE BUILD, WE MOVE THAT BASEBALL FIELD, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR TWO BASEBALL FIELDS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

UM, BUT THE WAY THAT LAW IS LAID OUT, UM, YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO CREATE A NEW ONE, JUST ONE.

SO I THINK THERE IS A REASON THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO HAVE IT IN ONE LOCATION IN MIAMI ICEBERG, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THERE WA THERE WAS A, UM, BMX SKATEBOARD, UM, COMPETITION.

I THINK THEY WENT DOWN THERE AND THERE WERE 50 CORPORATE SPONSORS THAT CAME TO THAT EVENT, SIGNS UP PAID FOR ALL THAT WAS COMPLETELY FREE FOR ALL THE YOUTH.

AND IT WAS A MASSIVE COMPETITION, HAD ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THERE AND 50 CORPORATE SPONSORS SHOW UP AND PAY FOR THAT.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE RE I MEAN, I JUST DISAGREE GREAT THING.

AND I THINK THE REASON THAT, UM, HAVING THOSE AMENITIES TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE AMENITIES.

AND

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UM, I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY LOTS OF SPORTING ACTIVITIES, BASKETBALL COURTS, LOTS OF THINGS WE CAN DO DOWN THERE, INCLUDING A BASEBALL DIAMOND AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, RATHER THAN TAKING AMENITIES THAT ARE ALL THE SAME.

IF I'VE GOT DIFFERENT AGED KIDS, DIFFERENT SKILL LEVELS, I WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

I'M NOT DROPPING MY KIDS OFF FOR THIS.

AND THEN I'M TAKING THOSE KIDS DOWN TO ANOTHER AREA.

SO THEN THEY CAN PLAY ON SOMETHING ELSE, HAVING ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES TOGETHER IN MY MIND, I CAN'T MAKE THAT NOT MAKE SENSE.

SO, I MEAN, IT CAN BE JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, HAVING ALL THOSE ITEMS TOGETHER, IT'S CENTRALIZED, THAT'S LIKE MISREAD POINT OUT.

IT'S ABOUT A MILE AWAY FROM, UM, FROM THE OTHER AREA TOWN, FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE KIDS WHO IN ORDER FOR THE, A LOT OF THE OTHER AREAS OF TOWN TO HAVE TO ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO CROSS OVER OLD TROY PIKE, WHICH WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE KIDS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.

UM, NEXT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER WOULD HAVE TO CROSS OLD TROY PIKE TO JUST GO RIGHT AT FITCHBURG TO, TO ACCESS, UM, TO ACCESS THIS, THIS AREA.

SO, UM, I'M JUST IN MY OWN BRAIN, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING, TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY WE WOULD SEPARATE AND SPLIT UP LIKE MINDED AMENITIES.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOW IS WE'VE GOT BASEBALL FIELDS PLUCKED IN THIS AREA AND PLUCKED IN THIS AREA.

AND OVER THERE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE GOT THE PROPERTY IN THE LAND TO HAVE AN AREA WHERE THERE ARE EIGHT, NINE BASEBALL FIELDS, OR WE COULD HAVE HUGE BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS AND ALL THAT.

AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME, THERE'S NOT A PARENT OUT THERE.

WHO'S GOT THREE KIDS THAT PLAY ON THREE DIFFERENT LEAGUES WITH LIKES TO GO TO THE SAME PLACE, TO PLAY BASEBALL ALL DAY LONG AND NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

SO I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'RE SOLVING A PROBLEM, PUTTING IT IN, SPLITTING UP ANOTHER MINUTE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT PROBLEM.

AND OUR OTHER AREAS WITH SOCCER AND BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.

UM, MY OWN RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE ALL OF OUR PARK AMENITIES IN ONE PARK OR PUT OUR SPLASH PAD NEXT TO OUR AQUATIC CENTER, OR WE NEED TO SPREAD THESE THINGS ABOUT SO THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY CAN HAVE SOMETHING LOCAL AND CLOSE TO THEM THAT THEY CAN ENJOY, UM, TO AGAIN, TO CRAM THEM ALL IN ONE SPACE WHERE IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED WHERE WE HAVE POTENTIALLY DANGER.

UM, UH, MS. BERG HAS MENTIONED THE ADA'S WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, DIAL PARK.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR TO GET UP THAT HILL.

UH, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE WOODS AND DIAL PARK THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE, TO THAT.

BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT, AND I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, YOU'RE TWISTING IT, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO MUCH PACKED IN ONE PLACE.

IT REALLY WOULD JUST GET OVERLY CROWDED IN MY OPINION.

AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT IN A MINUTE HERE THAT WE ALREADY HAD IT BASEBALL FIELDS AND TO, TO REDO EXISTING BASEBALL FIELDS, TEAR THEM OUT, TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN JUST TO BUILD BRANDON, ANOTHER BASEBALL FIELD SOMEPLACE ELSE.

THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE THEM IN SOMEONE ELSE'S WILLING TO PUT THE MONEY INTO RECONDITIONING THOSE AND BRINGING THOSE UP TO, UH, UH, QUALITY FIELDS.

YEAH, I GUESS IT IS DIFFERENT, SIMPLE OPINION.

GOOD.

A USE FOR THAT BASEBALL DIAMOND, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO FIT WELL IN THERE.

MA'AM UM, REGARDING POWER SPORTS, POWER SPORTS ACTION FIELDS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, UH, ACTION SPORTS ARE BOTH FOR-PROFIT COMPANIES.

AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING WITH OUR LITTLE LEAGUE WITH REGARD TO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE FIELDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT, UH, BASICALLY YOU'RE TALKING POWER SPORTS COMING IN AND UPGRADING FACILITIES.

I MEAN, IF I WERE A POWER SPORTS, I'D LIKE THAT DEAL TO, UM, A COUPLE OF HUNDRED BUCKS TO LEASE OUR FIELD AND THEY'LL COME IN AND IMPROVE THE AMENITIES.

BUT AGAIN, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH BASEBALL.

UM, HERE LOCALLY IN POWER SPORTS AND ACTION FIELDS ARE BOTH HIGHLY PROFITABLE.

SO I, I JUST, I KINDA JUST COUNT THE, UM, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THIS CORPORATION COME IN AND TAKE OVER OUR PARKS.

UM, FOR THESE PROMISED IMPROVEMENTS, WE DON'T HAVE AN ORGANIZATION IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, A LITTLE LEAGUE ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD BE HANDS ON, ON THIS.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, I APPLAUD THE EFFORT, YOU'VE PUT INTO THE DRAWING UP HERE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE TAKING OUT THE BASEBALL FIELD FOR AN RC TRACK BACK IN THE CORNER.

EVERYTHING ELSE SEEMS TO FIT WELL WITHIN THE PLAN.

UM, AND I COULD SEE THE RC TRACK PERHAPS BEING PUT ON HOLD AS WE DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S, UH,

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I LIKE WHERE THE PUMP TRACK IS NOW LOCATED.

BICYCLE PLAYGROUND MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

THEY'RE NEXT TO THE SKATE PARK.

AND I LIKE WE'VE TALKED THE BMX, UH, ARMORED BMX TRACK.

AND SO I APPLAUD THE LAYOUT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD LAYOUT.

AND IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE BASEBALL FIELDS, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AS TIME COMES, BUT YOU'VE JUST SORT OF PLUGGED IN THE RC TRACK OVER THERE TO CHECK OUT THE BASEBALL FIELD.

UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THE OTHER AMENITIES WE TALKED ABOUT IN THERE AND LAID OUT FAIRLY WELL.

SO GOOD JOB.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THE PUMP TRACK IS ALSO REMOVING A BASEBALL FIELD AS WELL.

THE OLD BASEBALL FIELD, THE ONE THAT IS, UM, NEEDING MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS.

YEAH, YEAH.

WELL, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS A COMMUNITY CENTER IS NEW.

IT'S A NEW CONCEPT.

IT HAS PRISTINE LAND OUT THERE.

AND I WOULD PERSONALLY HATE TO SEE IT TORE UP FOR BASEBALL FIELDS OR WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON HOW THEY LIKE TO SEE THAT LAND USED AND THOSE FACILITIES OUT THERE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOME GREAT MEETING AREAS OUT THERE, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR WEDDINGS RECEPTIONS FOR, FOR WHATEVER.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY LIKE THAT IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW, NO MATTER WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, WE NEED COMMUNITY INPUT INTO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUT THERE.

HI.

UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN RESEARCH WITH STUDEBAKER? THEY HAVE WHERE THE BOARD OF EDUCATION THERE'S IN LONGFORD.

THEY HAVE FIELDS IN THE BACK, COULD MAYBE THE CORPORATIONS PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOLS AND FIX THOSE FIELDS UP THERE, RIGHT THERE BY COMMUNITY.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OLD BASEBALL FIELDS THERE AND WORK WITH TITUS THAT'LL PROPERTY ACROSS HIMSELF FOR GROWTH.

THERE'S THREE TO FOUR FIELDS THERE THAT COULD ALSO BE DEVELOPED.

THIS CORPORATION CAN SHOULDER MORE OF THE BURDEN BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR-PROFIT.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE SCHOOLS.

I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T.

YEAH, BUT THEY COULD PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN ARRANGEMENT.

MAYBE WE CAN ASK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

THE ORDER OF THE TWO, THOSE TWO FIELDS BEHIND THE SUIT BETWEEN CIVIC COMMUNITY PARK, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE BEING UTILIZED FOR ANYTHING AND USE THIS BASEBALL FIELDS.

AND THERE'S PLENTY OF BARKING.

IT SEEMS LIKE IF IT WAS LITTLE LEAGUE OR MAYBE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN A STEP UP FROM LITTLE STEP UP FROM LITTLE LEAGUE USED TO, YOU USED TO PLAY DOWN THERE.

HE WASN'T LITERALLY, MY GRANDFATHER HAD USED IT AND THEY WERE NOW WHEN IT WASN'T THE SCHOOL AFFILIATED, THERE WAS A SEPARATE LEAGUE IN THERE.

WHATEVER THE ABOVE LITTLE LEAGUE IS KIND OF THAT JUNIOR RANGE, PROBABLY LIKE 13, 14 YEAR OLDS.

WAS THERE ANY WAY THEY COULD PUT A BASEBALL TEAM WITH EVERY ELEMENTARY AND JUNIOR HIGHS AND THEN LITERALLY WE COULD BE OUT ON THE BASEBALL BUSINESS AND THEY COULD, THE CORPORATION COULD BENEFIT.

IT WOULD BENEFIT THE SCHOOLS.

I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE.

BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN ALL THE SCHOOLS WERE BUILT PRIOR TO THE NEW SCHOOLS BEING BUILT, THERE WERE A LOT OF LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS USED BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DECIDED THEY DID NOT WANT THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THEIR NEW FIELDS.

SO THAT'S WHERE LITTLE LEAGUE MOVED TO CLOUD PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE DECISION OF THE SCHOOL BOARD TO NOT HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY FIELDS AT THE SCHOOLS.

SO WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE GOING FROM HERE? WELL, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, I SPOKE WITH VINCE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THE BOARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, UH, WHAT MS. BIRCH SAID ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER, NOT NECESSARILY A TOWN HALL, BUT SOMETHING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE WE SEND OUT A MAIL OR WHATEVER, AND HAVE PEOPLE COME TO THE PROPERTY SO THEY CAN SEE THE PROPERTY, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DO HERE, LOOK AT PICTURES, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL IMAGINE DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE, BUT SEEING IT.

SO, UH, VINCE AND I HAVE TALKED IN THE BOARD AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT AND PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO GET SOME MORE COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THERE.

UM, I DO KNOW, UM, I MEAN THE KIDS IN THAT AREA, I SPOKE WITH A FEW OF THEM THIS WEEK THAT WERE AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, THEY JUST WANT SOMETHING, I MEAN, OF COURSE THEY ALL SAID THEY WANTED A SWIMMING POOL AND YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE PROBABLY NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN, BUT, UM, BUT WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT, I MEAN, THEY SAID THEY JUST WANT SOMETHING.

I MEAN, THERE'S A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE

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ANYTHING.

UM, AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY COME OVER AND JUST SIT AT THE PICNIC SHELTER AND JUST HANG OUT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TOLD ME, THEY SAID WE DON'T CARE WHAT, WE JUST WANT SOMETHING.

SO BRING US SOMETHING AND WE'LL USE IT.

UM, SO CAN WE ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX INSTEAD OF JUST PUBLIC INPUT FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, PUT THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OUT WITH COMMUNITY CENTER AND THIS LOCATION ONTO THE TABLE AS THE PROPOSALS ARE, ARE CURRENTLY SITTING AND, UH, GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON, ON THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX.

THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

BEFORE WE PROCEED ON WITH EITHER LOCATION SCOTT, AS OF TONIGHT, WHAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS STILL THE SAME AS LAST TIME ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AMENITIES AT THE POWELL ROAD LOCATION AND, UM, AT THE MONITA FIELD, HAVING THE SKATE PARK AND THE BMX TRACK AND OUT THAT'S.

AND HOW WILL THE DISCUSSION THERE'S A, AND HOW WILL THE DISCUSSION THAT JOSH PLAY INTO THAT? YOU KNOW, A TOWN HALL GO TO THE SITE? WELL, THERE'S A LOT MORE ROOM AT, UH, POWELL ROAD FOR MORE AMENITIES THAT, UH, TAKES FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT, UH, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO, AND, UM, HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE, UH, UH, ADDITION, PLAYGROUNDS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, HAVING THAT SURVEY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT TOO.

I'M ANY ISSUES ANY, YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, UM, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY COME UP WITH WITH YOUR TALK AND EVERYTHING BEFORE MOVING FORWARD MYSELF, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH EITHER OF THESE COMPLETELY.

I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE'RE RUSHING INTO ALL OF THIS, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE COMMUNITY FIRST MYSELF.

AND JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE PAD FOR THE SKATE PARKS THERE, THOSE RAMPS ARE ORDERED, THEY'RE BEING BUILT AND THE ARMORED BMX TRACK WILL BE PUT IN.

SO YES, THOSE THINGS WILL MOVE FORWARD.

SO JUST SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, OH, WELL, WE'RE JUST DOING WHAT WE WANT.

THOSE THINGS ARE, THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE STILL HAPPENING, OBVIOUSLY.

UM, BUT YES, WE WILL.

WE'LL TRY TO EXPEDITE THE, THE MEETING AT POWELL ROAD, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THE INFORMATION.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE TECHNOLOGY DOWN THERE THAT WE COULD USE.

SO EVERYTHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON PAPER.

EVERYTHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE THERE TO BE HANDED OUT TO PEOPLE.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT VINCE AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

UM, AGAIN, SENDING OUT THE MEETING NOTICES AND, AND INFORMATION THAT WAY SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE S WE'RE REACHING EVERYBODY, BUT ALSO REACHING THE DIRECT, YOU KNOW, AROUND THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.

THANKS MARK.

SO SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, SCOTT, UH, STAFF HAS A RECOMMENDATION AND IS IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING BASED ON POWELL ROAD WITH THE TOWN HALL AND THE PUBLIC GOING TO THAT SITE? OR IS IT THE SAME STAFF RECOMMENDATION? UM, I'M NOT CLEAR.

SURE.

UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT PUTTING THE BICYCLE AMENITIES IS STILL THE SAME.

UM, THEY, WHAT, UH, MR. KING WAS TALKING ABOUT IS GETTING SOME MORE INPUT ABOUT HOW THE REST OF IT CAN BE DEVELOPED AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

AND JOSH, IS THAT THE WAY YOU SEE THINGS AS WELL? YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT COMMUNITY INPUT, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS, EVEN IF WE PUT ALL THIS DOWN THERE, THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM FOR OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

UM, AND, UH, SO YEAH, WE WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT THEY WOULD WANT AS WELL.

UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OF IT'S AN EITHER OR SITUATION IT'S NOT GETTING LIKE TRAILS OR YOU'RE GETTING A PLAYGROUND IT'S, IT'S NOT EITHER, OR IT'S A, ALL OF IT.

AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

LET'S, LET'S DIG INTO SPECIFICS.

ONE LITTLE GIRL ASKED IF SHE COULD DRAW A PICTURE.

SHE SAID, CAN I DRAW YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT I WANT? CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.

AND I ASKED HER TO DO THAT, TO BRING IT TO ME, UM, OR TO, TO CALL AND I'LL COME PICK IT UP.

HOWEVER, UM, YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE THE SPACE.

I THINK WE, WE STILL HAVE THE SLIDE IN HERE, SKUS.

SO ALL OF THE SPACE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TO THE BASKETBALL COURT AND ALL DOWN, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ALL THAT SPACE TO STILL DO THINGS WITH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING AS WELL, SO THAT CAN ALL BE RECONFIGURED AS WELL.

SO TO MAKE SPACE FOR WHATEVER WE WANT.

MANITA PARK WITHOUT THE TWO FIELDS IN IT? HOW THE, ALL THE BIKE AMENITIES WOULD LAY INTO IT? THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

CAN WE GET, UH, A RECONFIGURATION OF

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THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

I THOUGHT THOSE TWO IN THE BACK WHERE THE FIELDS I CAME ON SAYS PUMP TRACK, AND ONE SAYS RC TRACK.

OH, OKAY.

CAN'T SEE IT FROM THERE.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SHOWING UP THERE VERY WELL EITHER.

NO.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THOSE TREES OUT.

NO, NO, NO.

THE TRAIL WOULD LOOP AROUND THE BACKSIDE.

IT WOULD, WE, WE WOULD MAKE A TRAIL THROUGH IT.

UM, BUT NO, THOSE TREES WOULD REMAIN CAUSE THAT'S OUR BUFFER.

YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THAT'S OUR BUFFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

LET ME, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, CLOUD PARK HAS A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAVE A TON OF HONEYSUCKLE AND STUFF IN IT IS, IS THAT HIDING AREAS THAT WE COULD DEVELOP INTO SOMETHING ELSE? WHAT ARE THE AREAS OF PARTICULAR IS WHEN YOU, WHERE THE MEMORIAL IS GOING IN, AS YOU'RE HEADING UP THE HILL BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FIRST SHELTER, THERE'S A BIG AREA IN THERE THAT IS HONEYSUCKLE WOODS, WHATEVER ELSE HAVE WE EVER LOOKED OR DO WE NEED TO LOOK AGAIN AT PERHAPS PURCHASING THE LAND? THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, UH, UM, THE STREAM OVER THERE, THE, UH, THAT'S OFF OF, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT? SO HARSHMAN VILLE, THE DEAD END, THE HARTSVILLE.

NO, NO.

IT'S, UH, IT COMES IN OFF OF, YEAH, IT COMES IN OFF A HARSHMAN VALLEY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NAME OF THAT STREET IS.

THAT'S HARSHMAN BILL.

SO IF YOU GO DOWN LONGFELLOW THAT DEAD END STREET IS HARSHMAN VILLE, THAT WHOLE FARM PIECE.

THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE STREAM SEPARATES.

AND THEN IT DUMPS OVER TO, I BELIEVE NORTH CIRCLE.

OFF THERE IN RIVERSIDE.

WE HAD TALKED ONE TIME ABOUT BUYING THAT NORTH CIRCLE PROPERTY AND DEVELOPING THAT INTO SOME MORE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OWNERSHIP IS AT THIS POINT.

MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT? NO.

UH, I REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PLACING THE CONCESSION BUILDING, WE WERE TALKING TO A FAMILY TO A LITTLE NET PROPERTY.

SO THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO SEE IF THERE THAT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS.

MAYBE THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO SELLING IT NOW.

AND WE COULD DEVELOP THAT INTO MORE BALL FIELDS OR, UM, JOSH KING.

AND WHAT ELSE, DAVE'S HOUSE AGAIN, WE'RE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, WHERE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UM, PUT IT OUT THERE, GET COMMUNITY INPUT ON, ON, ON WHAT THEY THINK.

TELL US THE REASONS IN YOUR OPINION THAT MANITA DOESN'T WORK WELL.

AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T LIKE REMOVING AMENITIES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FIELDS AREN'T BEING USED NOW, UM, THEY'VE BEEN USED IN THE PAST.

WE'VE HAD A WEIRD COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL AND PEOPLE MOVING OUT BECAUSE OUR FIELDS WEREN'T IN THE SHAPE THAT THEY SHOULD'VE BEEN IN.

UM, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN THAT OPEN AREA, INCLUDING THE BACK TO BASEBALL FIELDS IS ABOUT THREE ACRES.

IT, WITHOUT TAKING OUT THE BASEBALL FIELDS, YOU'VE GOT ROUGHLY AN ACRE AND A HALF THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ALL OF THIS INTO, ON TOP OF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE THERE.

UM, SO MOVING OVER TO POWELL THAT WHOLE BACK, JUST THAT FROM THE BASKETBALL COURT BACK IS FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.

SO YOU'VE GOT MORE SPACE, YOU'RE SPREADING THINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT AND, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, CREATING EVERYTHING'S CONNECTED BACK THERE.

UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH MONITA THAT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THAT HILLSIDE IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO NAVIGATE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVEN AS A PARENT JUST, YOU KNOW, WALKING UP AND DOWN THAT IF MY KIDS RIDING THAT LOOP, BUT I'M TRYING TO WALK BEHIND THEM.

I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PAIN IN ITSELF.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE HAD THERE INITIALLY THE SKATE PARK AND THE BMX TRACK WORK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT ALONG APPROACH UP JUST THE ONE SIDE FOR THE BMX TRACK, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK CRAMMING IT IN THERE AND HAVING THAT HILL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST A DEBT, A DETRIMENT TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

AND WITH YOUR RECOMMENDED LAYOUT, HAVE WE ADDRESSED ANY WATER RUNOFF OR DETENTION? YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SEE AT THE BOTTOM CORNER HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE WORD DETENTION AND THAT LONG STRETCH.

AND THEN UP BEHIND THE CHURCH PROPERTY ON THE TOP LEFT, JUST ADJACENT TO THE RC TRACK, WE HAVE AN AREA THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT IN THAT WOULD BE CAUSE THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING KIND OF RUNS ABOUT WHERE THOSE THREE TREES ARE AT THE END OF THE SKATE PARK, EVERYTHING FROM THE ONE TREE RUNS TO FITCHBURG AND EVERYTHING ELSE KIND OF RUNS TO BEHIND THE CHURCH.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE PLACES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO, UH, TO COUNTERACT ALL THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE WE'RE PUTTING IN.

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I MEAN, SO WHAT'S THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? HOW DO YOU, HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT? I WILL, UM, WELL, I'LL GO BACK TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, UM, GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WANT IT TO KIND OF LOOK AS FAR AS, AS THE WHOLE PROCESS AS WELL.

WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AND, AND, AND LET YOU GUYS DETERMINE THERE.

UM, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, THAT PARKS AND REC HAD, UM, OR A COUPLE OF MEMBERS HAVE HAD THAT WE WANTED TO ASK TOO, WAS WITH ALL OF THIS BEING TABLED RIGHT NOW.

AND, AND GOING BACK TO DISCUSSION, GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THE, UM, WHAT WAS IT THAT PETITION FOR THE TRAILS THAT DIAL, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW TO PROCEED WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THAT, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR ON THAT TOPIC AS WELL? YES.

THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN HERE EARLIER AND, UM, SO AFTER DISCUSSING WITH JERRY, I THINK THE CORRECT TIME TO ADDRESS THAT SINCE IT'S, SINCE IT WAS LEGISLATION, IT WAS POSTPONED TO DEFINITELY, UM, THE TIME TO BRING THAT UP WOULD BE DURING THE CITIZENS COMMENTS AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, THAT'S KIND KINDA WHAT I ADVISED HIM TO DO.

AND THEN ONCE HE BROUGHT THAT UP COUNSELING TO DETERMINE A TIME FOR DISCUSSION TO PUT THAT ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I BLAME.

SO TO BRING THAT BACK, EVERYBODY VOTED TO TABLE IT.

SO I GUESS ANYBODY COULD, SINCE EVERYBODY WAS IN, WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, THE TABLE, ANYBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO BRING THAT DISCUSSION BACK.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE AT THE FOLLOWING WORK SESSION.

UM, SO I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA COME AND TALK ABOUT IT, THE COUNCIL MEETING, BRING RATE, RAISE THOSE ISSUES.

AND THEN, UM, AND IF THERE'S ENOUGH SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE THAT BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS IT, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND THEN THAT WOULD MOVE ON TO ANOTHER, THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO YEAH, HE WAS HERE THIS EVENING AND WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND JERRY KIND OF DIRECTED HOW THAT PROCESS SHOULD GO.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOSH, UM, WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR COMMUNITY OR WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR COMMUNITY INPUT, WHEN YOU SET UP YOUR PLAN WITH PARKS AND REC, ARE YOU SETTING UP LIKE THREE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO EVALUATE OR HOW DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW YET HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT? NO, VINCE AND I WERE GOING TO SIT DOWN THROUGHOUT THIS WEEK AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANTED TO APPROACH THAT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND THEN WE HAVE THIS OPTION, UM, OR, WELL, SORRY, THIS OPTION, PLUS, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE OR WE HAVE THIS OPTION AND WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? UM, SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S, AS FAR AS IT'S GONE, UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, LENDING ITSELF TO OKAY.

LOOKING TO THE FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FACILITY AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK INTO AS WELL.

UM, IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO THROW A BUNCH OF STUFF IN, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE NEED STUFF THERE.

UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS EVER GOING TO BE USED AS A WEDDING VENUE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN THE BUSINESS OF IS WEDDING VENUES.

BUT, UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, EVEN WITH WHATEVER YOU PUT IN THERE, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF SPACE LEFT TO DO WHATEVER AND IT CAN ALL BE RECONFIGURED.

SO, UH, UM, I WASN'T PROPOSING THAT.

IT'S JUST AN IDEA BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SPACE, BUT THE BUILDING IS SUITED FOR A LOT OF GATHERINGS FOR LIKE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GIRL SCOUTS AT CAMP OUT THERE FOR CLUBS THAT WANT TO COME THERE AND MEET.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MEETING SPACE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND SET UP.

LIKE IF YOU GO TO CHAMPS, YOU GOT TO BUY THEIR FOOD OR SOMETHING.

MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND CATER SOMETHING OR, OR MAYBE THEY JUST WANT TO BRING THEIR OWN STUFF IN.

WE'D HAVE TO, UH, REMODELED THE KITCHEN FOR SURE.

BUT, UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER POSSIBILITIES THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PRESENT A THIRD OPTION THAT SHOWS COMMUNITY OR MANITA, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW THE POTENTIAL FOR THE BIKE THINGS GOING INTO COMMUNITY, UH, PARK, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU HAVE TO ALSO SHOW THAT IT'S BEING DISCUSSED AT

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MANITA PARK.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MAY LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE NO INTEREST IN BICYCLE AMENITIES OR WHATEVER.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO SHOW THEM THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE BIKE AMENITIES, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN OPTION TO, TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER FROM SCRATCH FOR WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

WELL, I MEAN, JUST, I, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT, I MEAN, COMMUNITY CENTER IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THAT.

I MEAN, TO THIS POINT, THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF INPUT ABOUT WHAT WOULD GO AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND HOW THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE.

THIS IS, UM, I MEAN THE F THE FIRST TIME THAT WE EVEN HEARD ABOUT ANYTHING GOING THERE WAS AN MR. SHAW, UH, ATTENDED A PRESENTATION THAT THEY, AT THE END OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE EVEN HEARD OF ANYTHING WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

UM, SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S STILL ROOM FOR LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT BOTH.

OKAY, MR. KING, IF COULD, WHEN YOU, UM, WORK WITH THE PARKS AND REC AND MR. THE OTHER MR. KING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT IN SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND WHERE THAT WOULD GO AND LIKE THE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT CHILDREN WANTED LAST TIME I SPOKE TO HIM THAT PART OF YOUR PLAN TO, I SPOKE WITH ONE OF OUR PLAYGROUND DESIGNERS AND HE'S, UM, SPEEDILY WORKING TO TRY TO GET ME SOME RENDERINGS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THEM IN TIME.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED TIRELESSLY ON THIS.

UM, MAYOR, ARE, ARE WE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING OR AT LEAST HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA TO VOTE ON? I DON'T THINK SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK THERE'S STILL MORE INFORMATION, MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET.

AND, AND JOSH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS POWELL ROAD AND THE TOWN HALL THAT YOU PLAN ON HOLDING IT.

THE SITE IS AN ADDITION TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF PUTTING THE BIKE TRACK THERE.

ARE YOU SAYING IT'S IN ADDITION TO YES, YES.

SCOTT BELL KOSKI.

WE HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, POWELL ROAD.

NOW, IF I APPRECIATE VISION AND ALL OF THAT, IF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS MANITA, WOULD WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA MONDAY? I DON'T KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW THE DISCUSSION GOES OR OTHER ITEMS. I MEAN, I'M, I'M UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT.

AND I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HEARD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M LOOKING AT TWO EMPTY SEATS, SO I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD BE, UM, A MAJORITY RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE SOMETHING TO A COUNCIL MEETING OR BLAIR MAJORITY OF OBJECTION AT THIS POINT.

SO, SO I DON'T KNOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO JOSH AND VINCE TALKING TO, UM, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO, TO LOOK FOR MORE INPUT AND AS GLEN SUGGESTED PUTTING BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, KIND OF DECIDE WHERE THEY THINK BOTH OF THOSE THERE'S AN ADDICTION TO GO.

THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS RIGHT NOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

WHEN YOU HOLD THE TOWN HALL AT THE SIDE OF POWELL ROAD, IT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THAT COULD GO IN AT THAT FACILITY, CORRECT? YES.

ARE WE TALKING THE SAME THING HERE? WOULD WE, WOULD YOU, SO ARE YOU MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THIS AT? WAS THAT THE LAST YOU WERE AT, I'M ASKING YOU, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ASKING THE CITIZENS ABOUT THE BIKE AMENITIES AT POWELL ROAD, THE SAME TOWN HALL? YES.

I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT GLENN SAID RECOMMENDING THAT WE PUT THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS.

MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THEN.

MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW IS TO DO THIS, BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO GET THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT ON WHAT ELSE AND WHAT IS THIS? THE BIKE, THE BIKE AMENITIES.

SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BIKE AMENITY OF PAL.

YES, SIR.

IN ADDITION TO THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THEY WORK WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD TO DISCUSS WITH THE PUBLIC ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AT THAT LOCATION.

SO WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD HAS SAID, IN ADDITION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SPIKE AMENDING ON POWELL ROAD.

SO IS THERE A COUNSELOR? IT GETS DONE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

SORRY.

I HAVE A QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

IF YOU'D GO BACK TO THE MANITA PLAN, THE ARMORED BMX TRACK WILL THAT CHANGE LOCATIONS, UM, BASED ON IT'S GOING TO BE THERE REGARDLESS, IT'LL BE AT AN ANITA REGARDLESS.

SO IN ANY CASE, IT'S GOING TO BE UP ON THE HILL, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ACCESS TO GET TO IT.

NOW, SINCE WE HAVE KICKED THE SKATE PARK FORWARD TO THE PARKING LOT, WE CAN FIT A VERSION OF IT BACK THERE WHERE THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND IS.

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SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT BOTH OF THOSE DOWN THERE.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS, UM, UM, WHETHER THE BMX TRACK IS GOING TO BE LOCATED BECAUSE YOU SAID THE SKATE PARK IN THE BMX TRACK OR ON THEIR WAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED THERE, UM, AND NOTHING ELSE IS MOVING, UM, THAT'S ONE SITUATION.

IF YOU THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, IT MIGHT GO WHERE THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND IS AND IT'S ON ITS WAY THAT CHANGES THE SITUATION.

THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THE REASON WE'RE EVEN DISCUSSING THE PUMP TRACK, THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND AND THE SKILLS LOOP IS BECAUSE IT WAS TURNED DOWN BASICALLY AT THE DOLL ROAD LOCATION, SINCE IT WAS TURNED DOWN, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO GET THESE AMENITIES BROUGHT INTO OUR CITY PARKS.

I HEARD I'D MENTIONED EARLIER.

I DON'T KNOW FOR AN, A REASON, ANY REASON TO RUSH.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY COST SAVINGS TO, UM, DOING BOTH AMENITIES OR ALL THIS MADDIE'S AT THE SAME TIME, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD SAVE A TON OF MONEY.

AND IF WE'RE FLEXIBLE ON WHERE THE ARMOUR TRACK IS GOING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BE IN A HURRY TO SHOVE THIS DOWN AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER PARK, WITHOUT GETTING SOME INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AROUND THERE AS TO WHAT THEY WANT IN COMMUNITY CENTER PARK.

SO TO YOUR POINT, MARK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A REASON TO PUT THIS UP BEFORE COUNCIL, UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER PARK, BIKE PARK, AS MUCH AS IT IS.

WE'VE GOT THIS STUFF COMING.

MANEET A LOT SPANISH IT, AND IF THERE IS A CALL AMONGST US COUNCIL TO GET CITIZEN INPUT ON WHAT WE NEED TO SEE, THERE ARE A COMMUNITY CENTER PARK AND WE SHOULD MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU, GLENN.

UM, I WOULD LIKE MARK, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

MY COMMENTS ARE CONTRARY TO STATS RECOMMENDATION.

UM, BUT I ONLY MADE THOSE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE DISAGREEMENTS ON LOCATION RIGHT NOW.

I BELIEVE IT IS FAIR AND PRUDENT TO, IF WE FIND OURSELVES IN THESE DEADLOCKS THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK WITH OUR RESIDENTS, BRING THEM IN AND GET THEIR OPINION.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NOTIFIED THE FOLKS AROUND, UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY ON POWELL HAVE, HAVE WHATEVER RADIUS WE USE THE FOLKS AROUND THIS LOCATION AS WELL.

I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER BEEN NOTIFIED OF WHAT'S COMING IN THERE, EVEN THE TWO ORIGINAL ITEMS. UM, BUT BRING ALL THOSE AND IN PUBLIC NOTIFICATION JUST TO SAY, HEY, COME ON OUT AND GIVE YOUR INPUT.

I'M SURE IF WE, IF WE WERE ALL IN AGREEANCE ON THIS, IT'D BE A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT SINCE WE HAVE THAT DISAGREEMENT, THEN I'M FINE WITH SAYING, OKAY, LET'S PUMP THE BRAKES A LITTLE BIT AND LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR AND REASONABLE.

SO ANYTHING, UH, YEAH, JOSH AND I WOULDN'T BE TOO QUICK TO DISCOUNT THE PROPERTY THAT SAID SHELL GATE.

UM, FOR MANY YEARS WE, UH, THE KIDS PLAYED OUT THERE ON THOSE TWO FIELDS.

AND EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A PARKING SITUATION AND THEY MADE IT HAPPEN.

SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO FIELDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

THEY'D LIKE EVERY OTHER FIELD IN THE CITY NEEDS WORK, BUT, UM, I WOULDN'T DISCOUNT THOSE AS POSSIBILITIES FOR, FOR OTHER TEAMS TO USE.

AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER TEAMS, THE GENTLEMAN FROM POWER SPORTS WAS NOT INTERESTED IN IT JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT.

WELL, HE'S NOT PAYING ENOUGH.

SO WE WILL, UM, MOVE THIS ONCE AGAIN.

WE'LL, UH, GET SOME INPUT, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, I THINK.

AND THAT IS IT KIND OF THE POSITION THAT YOU HAD AS WELL.

UM, AND, UH, AND WE'LL KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE PEOPLE THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THINKING IT GOES AND I THINK WHATEVER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE ARE, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

I'M OKAY.

THE WAY.

[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT, SCOTT, ANY UPDATES SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, I DID MEET WITH THE ARCHITECT FOR, UH, LWCC UM, AND GOT AN UPDATE ON THE LIBRARY.

IT'S BEEN POSTED THAT THERE IS A NEW COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, SET UP FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT THIS WEDNESDAY, BUT THE NEXT WEDNESDAY.

UM, SO, UH, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR MORE INPUT

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ON THAT END OF THINGS.

UM, AS THEY ARE ALSO, UH, UM, OUR CONSULTANT FOR THE, WHAT WE CALL THE CR DATE AND PROPERTY THEY ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AND WE DISCUSSED UPGRADES, THEIR FINISHES, UH, HOW THE LOOK IS, UM, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING FOR UPGRADING THE FRONT, BUT THE REAR, AS WELL AS THE IT'S A VISIBLE FROM FITCHBURG ROAD.

THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING INTO WHAT THOSE FINISHES WILL BE.

AND, UM, I'LL TRY TO AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UM, HAVE SOME RENDERINGS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO PRESENT, UH, SOME, SOME UPDATES ON THAT.

UM, ALSO, UM, MR. TODD KOSKI, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE, YOU'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND SOME, SOME, SOME DATA, UM, BUT THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT AREA.

THERE WE GO.

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF, UM, UPDATES FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WITH, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

UM, SO WE HAVE MET, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM GUMTREE COUNTY, UH, COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE IN THE CITY, UH, ABOUT A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF AGO.

AND WE TOOK THEM ON A TOUR OF SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEM.

UH, CURRENTLY THE COUNTY HAS ACCESS TO A PROFESSIONAL SOFTWARE FROM ESR.

I, UH, AND THIS IS THE SOFTWARE THAT ACCUMULATES, UM, SEVERAL SORTS OF POINTS OF INFORMATION THAT, UH, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY USES TO, UH, DECIDE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LOCATE.

AND SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO RUN A DEMOGRAPHICS AT THIS ADDRESS AT THIS LOCATION TO KIND OF TELL US, UM, NATIONALLY, WHAT OTHER FIRMS, WHEN THEY'RE SEARCHING OUR AREA, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MARKET'S GONNA TELL THEM TO BEAR.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THAT INFORMATION TO THE TABLE AS WELL.

WE MET TODAY WITH OUR BROKER APEX, UM, OVER ON THAT PROPERTY.

UH, AND THEY WERE, UH, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO FORWARD US, UH, TO, UH, POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS WHO MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST, UH, TO BRING SOME MULTIFAMILY TO THAT LOCATION.

WE HAVE A MEETING PENDING, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY MET WITH, UH, REGARDING ADVANCING A PLAN AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.

AND THEN, UH, WE HAD, UH, ANOTHER MEETING LAST WEEK WITH A NEW INTERESTED PARTY.

SO WE CONTINUED TO GENERATE A LOT OF, UM, INTEREST, UM, UH, FROM, UH, DEVELOPERS HERE, UM, IN THE REGION.

UM, AND THEN ALSO OUT TO WE'LL CALL IT THE NEXT CHAIR MARKET.

SO COLUMBUS, CINCINNATI, INDIANAPOLIS, UH, WE'VE SEEN SOME INTEREST AS WELL.

SO, UM, WE CONTINUE TO BE, UM, VERY ENGAGED WITH TRYING TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, UH, AND PER OUR BROKER.

WE CONTINUE TO DRAW INTEREST FOR THOSE PORTIONS OF CR DAYTON THAT ARE VACANT.

SO, UH, WE DO CONTINUE TO TAKE ENTERTAIN REGULAR INTEREST, UH, FOR THOSE SPACES.

SO, UH, WE CONTINUED TO SEE PROGRESS THERE.

YES, GLEN.

AND IN ADDITION TO ANY OF THOSE UPDATES, APOLOGIES, IN ADDITION TO ANY OF THOSE UPDATES THAT YOU MENTIONED, SCOTT, UM, I HAD ASKED BEFORE IF WE COULD GET, UH, ANY OF THE, UH, INFORMATION AND DRAWINGS AND WHATNOT THAT CAME OUT OF THE, UH, 2017, UH, SURE.

I SHOULD PUT THE LINK IN THE PACKETS OF HOW TO GET TO THE WEBSITE WHERE THAT, UH, INFORMATION IS, WHICH THE, UH, FROM THE BRAND PIKE STUDY, IT WAS IN THE WORK SESSION DESCRIPTION.

I PUT THE LINK REVIVE THE OLD SITE BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS SHUT DOWN FOR AWHILE.

IT WAS DISCOVERED BRAND PIKE.COM.

I THINK THAT'S NOW ON OUR WEBSITE, THE BRAND PIKE STUDY THAT HAD THOSE RENDERINGS AT THE END OF IT.

UM, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT AND RE SEND OUT THAT INFORMATION.

WITH WHATEVER PLAN WE LIKE, AND THEN SAY, STAFF, GO SELL THAT, FIND THE DEVELOPER.

AND, UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, QUESTIONS, UM, UH, W HOW, WHERE ARE WE GETTING OUR DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WANT TO SEE? THEY'RE STILL TO THIS DATE, THIS BODY HAS NOT DISCUSSED WHAT MIX OF USE WE WANT DOWN THERE, WHAT OUR VISION IS, HOW WE WANT IT TO LOOK.

WE'VE NOT, UM, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, WE'VE NOT SAT HERE AND DAYDREAMED ABOUT THIS PROJECT TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HERE YET.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S DISCUSSION.

SO ARE WE JUST, ARE WE LEANING BACK AND WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN? UM, IS OUR, UH, AS JASON FOSTER, OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT GUY, IS HE OUT SEARCHING OUT PARTICULAR THINGS AND IF, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS BEING SEARCHED OUT? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, OR THAT THE LAST DISCUSSION THAT THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS HAD HAD OCCURRED IN 2017, THAT WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE WANT.

WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION SINCE THEN.

SO IF THINGS ARE BEING DEVELOPED OR, UH, DEVELOPERS ARE INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTY, IS IT JUST BECAUSE WE GOT THE, FOR SALE SIGN UP, OR ARE WE GOING TO, UM, SINCE WE OWN THE PROPERTY, WE CERTAINLY CAN MAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION WE WANT ON IT.

I MEAN, WE COULD COME UP

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THAT'S INTERESTED IN OUR DREAM AND BRING THEM HERE.

UM, AND THEY MAY BE LOCAL.

THEY MAY BE 10 STATES AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT CONVERSATION YET.

ALL I KEEP HEARING IS, UH, MULTIUNIT, DWELLINGS, MULTIUNIT, DWELLINGS, MULTIUNIT, DWELLINGS, AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF UPSET FOLKS IN THAT AREA.

IF ALL WE DO IS PROP UP A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYONE WANTED DOWN THERE.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WALKABLE, A SOCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, DINING VENUE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BRING PEOPLE OUT AND FAMILIES OUT TO ENJOY A NICE EVENING IN THE CENTER OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS.

I WOULD NEVER HAVE AGREED TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY IF I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DEVELOP APARTMENTS THERE.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SOME FORM OR FASHION, IF WE GOTTA HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO DO IT, OR WE WANT TO DO IT DURING ONE OF OUR REGULAR MEETINGS, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING OUR IDEAS, OUR THOUGHTS, WE NEED TO DESIGN WHAT WE AT LEAST MENTALLY DESIGN WHAT WE EXPECT AND WANT DOWN THERE.

AND WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT BASED ON ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE GOT FROM OUR RESIDENTS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UNLESS WE WANT TO REDO THAT ALL OVER AGAIN, DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WISE, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT AND WE, WE SHOULD FOLLOW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, UM, AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE ON MY MIND.

IT FEELS LIKE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

IT'S LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO BE TOLD WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE'RE NOT DECIDING WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

IF THAT MAKES, I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE TO EVERYBODY.

UM, THIS WAS A, THIS IS REALLY A HUGE BIG DEAL FOR ME.

I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE KNOWS THIS IS A HUGE BIG DEAL FOR ME.

AND I DO NOT WANT THIS TO TURN INTO JUST ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAD A FOR SALE SIGN AND SOME GUYS SAID, OH, I'LL BUY A COUPLE OF ACRES AND THROW UP SOME APARTMENTS.

THAT'S NOT THAT WASN'T THE PLAN THAT WASN'T THE DREAM.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY AND TIME RESEARCHING.

SO I HOPE WE CAN GET SOME, SOME MORE STUFF.

I KNOW THAT I'VE SAT DOWN.

I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE MY, UH, JUVENILE SKETCHES WITH ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

I SHARED THEM WITH THE FORMER CITY MANAGER, UM, LET THEM KNOW WHAT, WHAT MY VISION WAS.

AND, AND I DREW THEM OUT BASED, PURELY ON THE INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT YEAR LONG STUDY AND ALL THE COMMENTS.

AND THAT'S HOW I DECIDED WHAT I THOUGHT, WHICH COMPONENTS I THOUGHT WOULD GO IN THERE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THOSE IN SHARON.

CAN'T MAKE FUN OF MY DRAWING, BUT, UH, IT IS REASONABLY SCALE.

UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE AND PROVIDE INPUT ON WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT I THINK IT, IT CAME BACK TO, WE WERE LOOKING MORE AGAIN FOR SOME SIT-DOWN DINING, SOME, SOME, UH, ONE-OFF SHOPPING OPPORTUNITIES, SOME ENTERTAINMENT, UH, SOME GREEN SPACE.

UM, THERE'S A LOT WE COULD DO THERE, OR WE COULD PUT APARTMENTS IN.

SO THANK YOU.

WHAT THE INITIAL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE INITIAL CONCEPTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS MIXED JUICE.

I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING A CONVERSATION AND WHERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ALL APARTMENTS.

THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE APARTMENTS, RETAIL, THE LIBRARY, POSSIBLY MUNICIPAL BUILDING.

UM, AND, AND THE REST OF IT IS, UM, WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE DEVELOPER TAKING FROM THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY HAVE WITH US TAKING OUR INPUT AND, AND, AND BUILDING ON THAT.

BUT THERE'S ONLY WE CAN SHARE I OUR IDEAS, BUT THEY WILL, THEY HAVE THE MONEY, THEY WILL INCORPORATE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, BUT THEY'VE ALSO GOT TO BUILD IN, IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR THEM.

SO, UM, BUT IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE FULLY APARTMENTS.

APARTMENTS WERE JUST ONE, ONE SEGMENT OF IT.

OH, I AGREE.

IT W THE APARTMENTS WERE MENTIONED, BUT THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC TO LOFT STYLE APARTMENTS FOR THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC TO LIKE LOFT-STYLE APARTMENTS FOR YOUNGER GENERATION AND TO, UM, UH, APARTMENTS FOR OLDER GENERATION THAT HAVE DECIDED TO JUST LIVE IN PLACE.

UH, THOSE WERE THE DISCUSSION.

IT WASN'T JUST MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.

IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC TYPES OF APARTMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE APARTMENTS WERE MENTIONED, BUT THERE WERE VERY SPECIFIC TYPES, BUT I'VE ONLY HEARD ABOUT APARTMENTS OUTSIDE OF DOGTOWN IN THE LIBRARY.

WELL, WE MAY BE ABLE TO RECOMMEND THAT, BUT A DEVELOPER'S GOING TO COME IN AND PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, TO BENEFIT THE MOST WHILE INCORPORATING WHAT OUR BASIC CONCEPT IS.

SO, UM, I MEAN, ARE WE MARKETING WHAT CAME OUT OF THE BASIC SKETCHES FROM THE, UH, STUDY THAT WAS DONE? WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES AND, UH, FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, MR. CHUCK HOUSE GAME, MR. FOSTER IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION.

UM, SO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING

[01:45:01]

FOR.

AND, UH, YOU ASKED, ARE WE JUST WAITING FOR A PHONE CALL OR ARE WE GOING OUT? IT'S BOTH, UH, WE'RE NOT TURNING AWAY PHONE CALLS, UM, IF SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE MEETING WITH DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND LISTENING TO, UM, WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND ALSO REACHING OUT TO OTHER GROUPS AS WELL, SO THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON YEP.

ALL THE ABOVE.

WELL, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO PICK ON ANY PARTICULAR COMPANIES, IS THIS A, IS IT MEANT TO DO THAT, BUT IF, SAY A SAM'S CLUB ROLLED UP AND SAID, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT PLACE AND BUILD A NEW SAM'S CLUB THERE.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY RESPECTFULLY, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD LOCATION FOR THEM.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN OUR PLAN OR OUR THOUGHTS OR DREAMS. UM, I WOULDN'T, WE, WE, WE HAVE TO STAND SOMEWHERE ON THIS PROJECT AND KNOW WHAT WE WANT AND NOT JUST ALLOW MONEY TO DICTATE WHATEVER IT WANTS.

I THINK WE'RE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF WALKING AND CHEWING GUM AT THE SAME TIME.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UM, I MEAN, NOTHING COMES TO, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T COME TO US FOR APPROVAL.

I MEAN, THOSE THINGS COME TO US FOR APPROVAL.

SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE THINK WOULD GO THERE.

AND I THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS SHOULD HAPPEN HERE PUBLICLY.

AND THEN IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER WHO'S WILLING TO TAKE DOWN A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY AND WANTS TO PRESENT A PLAN, THEN THAT'LL COME TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL CAN SAY, YEAH, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

OR NO, THAT DOESN'T SUIT US.

UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE HAPPENING KIND OF IN, IN COLLABORATION WITH ONE ANOTHER.

MARK SCOTT, AS THE BRAND PIKE STUDY WAS BEING PUT TOGETHER.

YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT.

YES, SIR.

AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYOR IS, IS WE HAVE A WORK SESSION OR A SPECIAL MEETING DUST OFF BRAND PIKE STUDY, UM, HAVE STAFF PREPARED TO, UH, UH, ILLUSTRATE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF THAT, UPDATE US ON WHAT THEY HAVE, I THINK SINCE THE BRANDT PIKE STUDY.

AND THAT WAS A DRIVER, AT LEAST FOR ME, AND PURCHASING ALL THAT PROPERTY HAS CLINTON SAID.

UH, BUT I THINK EVEN SINCE THE STUDY WE'VE MADE ENORMOUS PROGRESS WITH, UH, NOW WE HAVE CONTROL AND OWN THE SHOPPING CENTER, AND I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMODEL THAT, UM, WE HAVE DOG TOWN.

IS THAT THE NAME OF THE COMPANY DOGTOWN IN, IS THAT A SURE THING OR WE'RE PRETTY SURE THING THEY, UH, UH, SIGNED THE AGREEMENT.

SO WITH US AND THEY ARE PREPARING THEIR DRAWINGS FOR PLANING COMMISSION, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND THEN WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THE STUDY WAS BEING ASSEMBLED WAS THE, UH, LIBRARY.

SO, SO I, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ANCHORS NOW ESTABLISHED AND WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, FILL ALL THAT IN WITH, I THINK GLEN, YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION AFTER A MEETING ONE NIGHT, AND THE ONE POINT THAT YOU MADE TO ME, YOU WOULD HATE TO SEE A SEA OF ASPHALT THERE.

CORRECT.

AND I SAID, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

SO, SO THERE'S GOTTA BE COMMON THINGS THAT WE'LL ALL AGREE TO, AND NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT, BUT WE NEED TO PAINT THAT PICTURE AND WRITTEN AND AGREE WHAT THE FUTURE DOES INCLUDE.

THAT'S EXACTLY.

SO I THINK IF WE DUST OFF THE BRAND PIPE STUDY, I THINK IF WE BRING IT OUT, WE'LL JUST REKINDLE THAT ENTHUSIASM THAT I KNOW THE COMMUNITY HAD WHEN WE FIRST IMPLEMENTED THAT STUDY.

NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.

I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT, UH, WE'LL GET WITH TONY OR KAREN AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT, UH, UH, SCHEDULING TIME, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT CONFLICTING WITH ANY OTHER USES OF THE COUNCIL SPACE HERE.

UM, FOR A WEEK WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL GRANDPA MEETING.

NO ISSUES WITH THAT AT ALL.

NEXT IS, UH, ITEM 3G, I BELIEVE.

DON, THANK YOU MIRROR FOR, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, UM, WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND TO JUST GO BACK A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT COUNSEL MULATTO SAID, SCOTT, I WOULDN'T PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TONIGHT OR AT ANY TIME, BUT IF YOU AND BRIAN COULD, UM, ALSO COME TO THAT PRESENTATION WITH AN IDEA OF THE MARKETING STRATEGY OR THE DRIVE BEHIND, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO PRESENT.

I THINK COUNCIL AS A BODY, UM, NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME INPUT AS TO WHAT OUR INDIVIDUAL VISIONS ARE FOR THAT PROJECT.

I, I DON'T DOUBT.

YOU'VE HEARD FROM EACH OF US, ALL OF OUR, UH, EACH ONE OF OUR UNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK IF YOU COULD COME TO THAT MEETING PREPARED TO DISCUSS, UM, THE MARKETING THAT'S BEEN DONE AND MAYBE THE DIRECTION THAT MARKETING WILL GO, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELP.

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WELL, WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT MEETING IS NOT SCHEDULED UNTIL YOU GUYS HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED.

SO WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF BEFORE THAT MEETING DATE IS, IS SCHEDULED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, ON BRAND REVITALIZATION? OKAY.

[ Board and Commission Appointments * Citizens Water and Sewer Advisory Board]

WHICH IS A BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.

SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY SEVERAL VACANCIES ON THE SYSTEMS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.

THIS ITEM IS TO FILL ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS.

THAT'S THE CITY'S INTERVIEW PANEL RECOMMENDS THE APPOINTMENT OF PAT STEVENS TO THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD FOR TERM ENDING JANUARY 1ST, 2024.

AND A BACKGROUND CHECK THAT'S CURRENTLY PENDING WITH HR.

I'M ASSUMING THE BACKGROUND CHECK IS FINE.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING OUT ONTO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR THAT APPOINTMENT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS THE LAW DIRECTOR UPDATE FOR NUISANCE PROPERTY.

SO LET'S, WE'LL DO THAT.

[ Law Director Update - Nuisance Property]

VERY, OH YEAH.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE ABOUT READY TO.

UM, MY WORLD, WE CALL IT, PULLED THE TRIGGER ON A, TO DO HAVE THEM DECLARED NUISANCE AND HAVE THEM ABATED.

UM, ONE OF THEM IS JUST INFORMATIONAL FOR COUNCIL.

THE OTHER ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN OUR RATIONALE FOR GOING THE ROUTE WE'RE GOING TO, UM, I'D LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.

UM, AND IF COUNCIL WOULD MIND, IF SONGS WERE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE EMINENT LITIGATION WITH THESE, I'D ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PENDING LITIGATION.

JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON A COUPLE OF THE CASES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING.

AND SO I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT COUNSEL, UM, UH, ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE PENDING AN EMINENT LITIGATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY OR MOTION, ANYTHING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR REASONS CLARIFIED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY MARK.

SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

HEY DISCUSSION, MS. BAKER.

MR. SHAW, UH, MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

SO WE WILL ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND AS SOON AS WE'RE FINISHED, WE'LL COME BACK OUT AND INFORM EVERYBODY OF ANY ACTION TAKEN AS SOON AS WE'RE FINISHED.