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READY? READY ON THE ROAD.[ AGENDA MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road July 28, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]
ALL RIGHT, LET TODAY'S MEETING OF THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION COME TO ORDER.UH, WE FIRST START OFF WITH, UH, OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
TODAY, WE CHOOSE TO HONOR OUR MILITARY AND VETERANS, OR ARE THEY MEN AND WOMEN WHO GAVE UP THEMSELVES WHEN THEY WERE CALLED UPON TO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY.
WE ASK FATHER THAT YOU BLESSED THEM FOR THEIR UNSELFISH SERVICE AND FOR THE DEDICATION THEY HAVE SHOWN TO PRESERVE OUR FREEDOMS, OUR SAFETY AND OUR COUNTRY'S HERITAGE, PLEASE, FATHER PLUS TIME, A BUNDLED LAKE FOR THE HARDSHIPS THEY FACE FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY MAKE AND FOR THEIR MANY CONTRIBUTIONS TO AMERICA'S VICTORY, OVERTURNING AND OPPRESSION.
WE SACKED UP, WE ARE PROUD OF THEM AND WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL WATCH OVER THEM.
LORD, PLEASE GUIDE US IN OUR COMMISSIONS ENDEAVORS TODAY AND BLESS ALL THOSE MILITARY AND VETERANS WHOM WE HONOR WITH PACE AND HAPPINESS.
THEN NOW WE'LL HAVE THE ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL.
I DON'T HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE.
THAT'S ALL THAT'S NECESSARY AT THIS TIME, SO I HAVE TO WORK ON IT, BUT UM, WE'LL GET TO GO.
UH, MS. SOLOMON, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, SHE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT LATER ON IN THE AGENDA.
UH, MS.
SHE'S GOING TO CHAT AND MAKE IT, BUT, UH, SHE MAY NOT, BUT IF SHE MAKE IT, THERE'LL BE LATE.
AND UH, THE OTHER PERSON THAT'S MISSING IS BILL CROMER, BILL RESIGNED TODAY.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON, UH, IN ENDED IN THE AGENDA.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A QUORUM AND DO WE CAN CARRY ON BUSINESS.
OH, AND WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER COMING ON, UH, MR. BANKER WOODS, WHO WAS A MEMBER AND LEFT AND NOW HE'S BEEN, I THINK, REINSTATED.
SO HE SHOULD BE HERE AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
NOW LET'S LOOK AT APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UM, THE MINUTES WERE SENT OUT ON AN ELECTRONIC MEANS.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES, UH, FOR MANY OF THE MEMBERS, UH, HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES WILL STAND APPROVED AS WRITTEN.
AND NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO THE PRESENTATION PERIOD.
AND, UH, WE HAVE PAT STEVENS HERE TODAY TO TALK TO US ABOUT SOME, UH, COLLABORATION OPPORTUNITIES WITH, UH, THE, UH, UH, WAYNE TOWNSHIP.
AND YOU WERE HEIGHTS, UH, HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
UH, I MET WITH HER AND HER HUSBAND.
I FORGET WHAT DAY THAT WAS NOW, BUT WE MET ALL DAY.
AND, UH, SHE HAS SOME VERY INTERESTING THINGS TO SAY, AND SHE PROMISED ME SHE COULD DO THIS IN 15 MINUTES.
AND, UH, SO THAT THE FLOOR WAS YOURS.
FIRST OF ALL, I OWE THIS ORGANIZATION AND APOLOGY BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO.
I CAME AND I ASK ABOUT GETTING SOME, THE CEREMONY AT SHEAR CEMETERY AND GETTING MORE INVOLVEMENT AND SO FORTH IN IT.
AND, UM, I WAS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH A COUPLE PEOPLE AND I DIDN'T, I TOTALLY FORGOT IT.
I HAD A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THIS YEAR AND I JUST TOTALLY FORGOT IT.
I HAD EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WHERE SHE OR CEMETERY IS? HOW MANY KNOW WHERE SHEAR CEMETERY IS?
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OH MY GOODNESS.I BET YOU ALL PASS IT AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK.
A CEMETERY IS LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POST OFFICE.
AND EVERY YEAR ON MEMORIAL DAY, UH, FOR A LONG TIME WE HAD THE VETERANS GROUP AND THE, UM, YEAH, IT WAS THE, UM, OH, SHOOT RIGHT THERE.
AND THEY WOULD COME AND, AND WE, WE DO HAVE A, UM, CIVIL WAR SOLDIER THERE, RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND I SHOW YOU, OKAY, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK.
UM, SO BACK A FEW YEARS AGO, OUR DREAM WAS TO FIX THIS.
AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT WITH THE FLAGS IS THE GRAVE OF, UH, MR. MCELHANEY, WHO WAS A CIVIL WAR, SOLDIER, UH, THE MIDDLE PICTURE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THESE AGAIN, BUT THIS IS THE, UH, A FAMILY THAT ALL OF THEM LOST THEIR LIVES WITHIN THREE DAYS FROM CO COLORADO.
AND THEN THE THIRD PICTURE IS JUST SHOWING YOU HOW THE HEADSTONES AND EVERYTHING WERE AT THE CEMETERY.
UM, THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY IN BAD SHAPE.
AND TO ME, IT WAS REALLY A SAD THING TO SEE A CEMETERY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN LEFT, GO LIKE THIS.
SO WITH THE CITY'S PERMISSION, UH, WE CONTACTED A GROUP CALLED STONE HUGGERS AND WE BEGAN RAISING FUNDS AND THEY, THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD HELP PAY FOR IT OR NOT HELP PAY FOR IT, BUT THEY WOULD GET IT DONE.
SO WE RAISED FUNDS THROUGH CAR SHOW, A SPOOKTACULAR CRUISE IN A COMMUNITY TREE LIGHTING.
WE RAFFLED OFF A FREEZER FULL OF FOOD.
AND, UH, WE HAD CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE MAYOR'S FOOT OCCASIONALLY.
SO THAT WAS HOW WE STARTED THE LITTLE PICTURE.
THERE IS ONE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE GUYS WORKING.
WE HAD TO HAVE $5,000 FOR THEM TO START.
THEY WOULDN'T COME OUT FOR ANY LESS.
SO THE FIRST THOUSAND WE GOT THREE YEARS LATER, UM, WE STARTED IN AND THAT'S HOW IT'S AMAZING TO WATCH THEM DO THIS BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY DIG DOWN IN THE GROUND AND FIND THE BOTTOM OF THE STANDS BECAUSE LIKE THE LONG FLAT ONES, THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING HOLDING THEM UP ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEY MUST BE LIKE FIVE FEET IN THE GROUND.
UM, SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONE, THIS IS ONE THAT REALLY GOT ME.
THESE WERE TWO CHILDREN, THEY WERE TWINS.
UH, THEY WERE THE TWINS OF HENRY SHALT.
HENRY SHARP WAS THE OWNER OF THE SHELF, MIME CORY ON TAYLORSVILLE AND TROY PIKE.
AND, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE STONE WAS BEFORE AND HOW IT, HOW IT IS NOW AND WHAT A DIFFERENCE IT MAKES.
AND THEY WERE ONLY ONE AND TWO YEARS OLD WHEN THEY PASSED AWAY.
OOPS, WELL, WAIT, I DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S THE SAME, SAME HEADSTONE.
AND THEN THIS ONE, UH, IS, UH, OVER AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE BROKEN STONES WERE PUT TOGETHER AND CONCRETE TOGETHER.
UH, I WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT, THAT WHEN THE PEOPLE FROM STONE HUGGERS CAME OUT, THEY SAID THAT WAS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPED TO PRESERVE THE WRITING ON THAT STONE.
SO, UH, THOSE GUYS WHO DO THE WORK IN THE CEMETERY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING? THIS IS ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY WORK ON THEM.
THIS CEMETERY IS A LITTLE CEMETERY.
UM, THAT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE CEMETERY.
IT'S TROYER IS THE NAME ON THE GRAVE STAKES STONES.
UM, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL FENCE THAT HAS BEEN THERE ALL THIS TIME.
AND, UM, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE AS LONG AS IT HAS, IT'S CONSIDERED HISTORICAL.
SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL LIMB WHEN WE WORK THERE AND THE GUYS, THE GUYS WERE REALLY GOOD ABOUT TAKING CARE AND WATCHING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER SHOT OF THE CEMETERY AND THAT'S HOW THEY GROW.
THE LITTLE PICTURE IS THE STONES LAYING FLAT ON THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY WERE WHEN THEY STARTED WORKING.
AND YOU CAN SEE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT AS WELL.
THERE'S A TREE ON THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT RIGHT SIDE.
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LINED UP.IT'S AMAZING WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND COMPLETED AND THEY HAVE, UH, IN THEIR RIGHT SPOT AND YOU SEE ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL WHITE HEADSTONES, UH, JUST IN A ROW.
SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY A LOT OF WORK.
SO THIS NEXT ONE, AND THIS IS ONE THAT I AM SO HAPPY THAT WE FINALLY GOT DONE.
THIS IS THE STONE OF THE, UH, JOHN MCELHANEY, WHO WAS IN THE CIVIL WAR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UM, I TOLD YOU I'D DO IT IN 15 MINUTES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO NEXT IS CANAL PARK, AND I DIDN'T DO A PRESENTATION ON IT.
UH, SO I'M GOING TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
HOW MANY KNOW WHERE CANAL LOCK PARK? YES.
IT'S RIGHT THERE AT ENDICOTT AND FISHBURG ROAD.
UM, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN AROUND THERE WHEN THERE'S A SOCCER GAME OR SOMETHING GOING ON, PEOPLE FROM THE SOCCER TEAMS COME OVER THERE AND THEY HAVE A PICNIC LUNCH AND SO FORTH, BUT OUR, UM, IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED UP.
IT'S BEEN LEFT, GO, UH, IT JUST NEEDS A FEW THINGS DONE.
ONE OF THE THINGS, LET ME GET BACK TO SHERIFFS CEMETERY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT DONE IS THE FENCE, THE CONCRETE FENCE THAT GOES AROUND THE FRONT.
A LOT OF THE, THE RAILS ACROSS ARE BROKEN AND THEY'RE LANDING SIDEWAYS AND SO FORTH.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THAT OR HAVE IT REPLACED, UH, WITH A TYPE OF FENCING THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE ANTIQUE FENCING.
I KNOW IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF ROD IRON OR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T NEARLY AS EXPENSIVE AS WHAT THEY'VE GOT THERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, SOME SIGNAGE PUT UP THAT TELLS WHO'S IN THE CEMETERY AND WHO, WHO HELPED RESTORE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST IN MY MIKE'S MEN HAVE MADE THESE REALLY NICE.
YOU DID DO THOSE YOU OVER AT THE PARK AND HAVE, SO THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE AT THE PARK THAT HAD A LITTLE ODDING OVER IT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AT SHERIFFS CEMETERY.
AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COUPLE MORE OVER AT, UM, THE PARK.
UM, JUST FEW MORE OF THOSE JUST TO SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THIS, AND THIS IS THE CANAL.
AND, AND I REALLY WANT TO PUT THE CANAL STORY HAT, THE CANAL, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE.
THEY DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A HISTORIC SITE.
WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CANAL THAT STILL HAS THE GATES ON THE LOCK.
UM, YOU GO TO OTHER PLACES, EVEN TIP CITY WHO HAD A BEAUTIFUL SETUP, THEY'VE JUST LEFT IT GO.
AND I MEAN, THEY HAD ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL BRICK WORK DONE, AND THEY HAD A CANAL BOAT THERE AND NOW IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS, UM, AND I KNOW THAT IT TAKES FUNDING AND I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN GO THROUGH, I WILL BE HERE IN FIVE YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT AT THIS TIME WE WILL BE CAPABLE OF RAISING THAT KIND OF MONEY TO GET THE JOB DONE.
LIKE IT SHOULD BE DONE AND GET IT DONE ALL AT ONCE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING THE OTHER DAY, OUR FOCUS WAS ON THE CEMETERY AND A BIG FOCUS.
THERE IS THE FACT THAT THE CIVIL WAR SOLDIERS THERE, AND HE ACTUALLY FOUGHT IN A WAR.
AND I THINK YOU WERE TELLING ME HE ACTUALLY SUCCUMBED TO THE WOUNDS HE RECEIVED AND IN BATTLE, BUT EVENTUALLY.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THING.
ALSO, I THINK YOUR HUSBAND WAS SAYING THAT HE WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH AND WE BELIEVED THERE WAS ALSO A WORLD WAR, TWO SOLDIER.
THAT'S ALSO LOCATED THERE IN A CEMETERY.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD COME IN AS WE WERE DISCUSSING AS THE VETERANS COMMISSION LOOKING AT SOMEHOW HELPING THAT CEMETERY, BECAUSE THOSE VETERANS ARE IN THERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS YOU HAD SAID THAT AT ONE POINT IN TIME, YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE HAD THE MEMORIAL THERE, BUT OF COURSE I WASN'T THERE.
SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE SOME KIND OF WAY, WE CAN MAKE THAT AN ANNEX TO THE MEMORIAL AND THAT WAY IT'D BE ASSOCIATED WITH MEMORIAL.
AND MAYBE SOMEHOW WAY WE CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO LOOK IN HERE.
THERE'S ALSO THE CIVIL WAR SOLDIER IN WORLD WAR II GUY OVER DISPLACED.
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AND WHEN WE DO WASTE FUNDS FOR THE MEMORIAL, PERHAPS WE CAN RAISE FUNDS FOR THE CEMETERY ALSO, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UM, UH, ACTIVITY.NOW THE LOCK WOULD BE A WHOLE NOTHER STORY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD FIT IN OTHER THAN BEING CONSCIENTIOUS.
PEOPLE WANT TO SUPPORT THE CITY, UH, IN THAT RESPECT, UM, UNLESS I'M WRONG NOW, ANYBODY WANT TO CHIME IN AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT YEAH, I DEFINITELY SEE THE CEMETERY.
AND THAT WAS MY MAIN, MAIN REASON TO COME IS THE CEMETERY.
UH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE CANAL ISN'T GOING TO TAKE NEARLY AS MUCH AS THE CEMETERY DEAD.
AND I WOULD SAY THE CANAL, DID THEY BRING SOME WARSHIPS IN THERE? OR WHAT ARE SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, WE DO A WAR, UH, MILITARY ACTIVITY, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE FACT THAT JUST THE STAGE OF THAT, IT TRANSPORTED A LOT OF GOODS UP BETWEEN THE CLEVELAND AREA AND CINCINNATI COULD HAVE BEEN I'M SURE.
I WOULD SAY THAT JUST LOOKING HERE FROM WHOLE LIFE, THERE USED TO BE THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE.
UM, THAT WAS A BIG, HUGE PART OF THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN PROVING TO BE THE HOUSE I WAS, UM, IT WAS VERY HISTORICALLY COOL IN A SENSE, IT HAD A FIREPLACE AND YOU WALK INTO THE FIREPLACE AND YOU WALKED TO THE LEFT, YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT.
AND THERE WAS A WHOLE OTHER ROOM IN THERE WHERE THAT'S WHAT THEY HIRED.
IS IT STILL THERE? THE HOUSE WAS, IS NOW BEEN NO DESIGN.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO, BUT VERY NEW PLACE.
I'M VERY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT HOLD THE CANAL AREA.
THERE IS VERY HISTORIC IN THAT CIVIL WAR AREA.
THAT'S I CANNOT, I CAN TIE THAT BACK TO THAT, IN MY THEORY, THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION AND IN THERAPY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO PAT IS THAT AS I WAS, AS WE WERE TALKING THE OTHER DAY IS YOU PROBABLY GOT TO DO SOME MORE, SOME RESEARCH AND CONTINUE TO, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND NOW WE CAN START TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN START DOING THAT RESEARCH TO BRING THE TWO TO THREE TOGETHER NOW WITH THE CANAL AND, UM, LOOK AT THE FUNDING, LOOKING AT HOW WE MIGHT WORK DONATIONS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, CALL IT PART OF OUR VETERANS MEMORIAL SOMETHING.
I KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY JUST YET WHAT THAT IS, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO START PLANNING FOR.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE TIME.
IT WON'T BE LIKE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
WELL, WE CAN ACTUALLY START TO ACTUALLY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
UM, VISUALLY WE CAN, UM, ASSIGN SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY WORKED WITH YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND, UH, TO DO THAT RESEARCH.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE ALL NOTICE NOW, CAN WE GET STARTED TO REALLY, UH, LOOK AT THAT? YES.
MA'AM, I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED IT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTION OF WHAT IT WOULD COST MIKE HARRISON PRICES ON THE FENCING? I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOT THEM WITH HIM, BUT, AND I DIDN'T BRING HIM A PIN YOU'RE PRE COVID.
I HATE TO SAY THAT
GUT FEELING THAT THE FENCE ALONE, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO YOU TO COUNCIL ABOUT IT AND SAY, HEY, RIGHT, THAT'S AN EXPENSE.
I WONDER IF THERE'S SOME BRANDS OUT THERE TOO, BECAUSE ANY, MAYBE SOMETHING RELATED TO THE UNDERGROUND OR MAYBE SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, MILITARY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S KIND OF IN THE FEDERAL WHEEL HOUSE, A GREAT OTHER NONPROFIT.
MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK WITH THE BIG, THE BIG VA DOWNTOWN.
HAVE YOU EVER TALKED WITH THE VA DOWNTOWN THERE? UM, OKAY.
I USED TO KNOW SOMEBODY DOWN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL THERE.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOME CAUSE YOU THERE LOOKING AT THAT CHURCH THERE ON THE GROUND AT THE VA HOSPITAL, UH, DOING RETRO RESTORATION ON IT, UM, WITH GRANTS FROM US SOMEWHERE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE, AND WE MIGHT GET, Y'ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, MAYBE SOME OF THESE HISTORIC
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THINGS, LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT KETTERING THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LEFT THAT WORD.BUT YEAH, UH, YEAH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN START THINKING ABOUT.
AND, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, UM, LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, WORKING AT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THAT, UM, THEY WANT TO SIGN ON AND, UM, THEN ONCE WE SIGN ON, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, START, START REALLY TALKING.
AND OF COURSE YOU AND I ALREADY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP AND, UH, COMMUNICATION.
SO YEAH, I'M AS GOOD AS ANYBODY ELSE TO REALLY START PUSHING ON IT AND WORKING WITH IT.
I WAS SAYING, I JUST ASKING HER TO REMIND ME, SHE MIGHT SAY, SEE, IT HAS A PRIVATE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT RAN OPPORTUNITIES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT.
AND IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE END WE COULD COPE AND GO FIND ME OR SOMETHING.
UM, BUT THAT'D BE THE LAST RESORT.
I'LL FIND SOME OTHER THINGS IF WE DON'T GET TOO IMPATIENT AND WANT TO PUSH IT.
WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, USE A TIMELINE.
IF I COULD ASK ONE, YOU, SHOULD, YOU ALSO HAVE FUNDRAISING MECHANISMS OF YOUR OWN THAT YOU'RE EMPLOYING WE NET AS FAR AS EMPLOYING.
WE HAVE FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES.
WE'VE WELL SPONSORING IT FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE'D HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO GO WITH, UH, BUMPING INTO YEAH.
KEYSTONE COPS CAN BE, CAN BE DOING THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD COME WITH US IN OUR DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WHAT'S THE WAY FORWARD LOOKING AT A PE PLAN OR SOME SORT OF, UM, UH, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? UM, BUT YEAH, I I'M, I'M, I'M WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE PROMISING SUCCESS, BUT WILLING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK, TAKE A VOTE RIGHT QUICK.
UM, UH, FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, I LIKED THE MOTION THAT WE, UH, LOOK AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH THE WINNING TOWNSHIP AND THE HEBREW HEIGHTS, UH, HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
UM, LET'S DO A QUICK VOICE VOTE.
SO I'LL GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU AND WE'LL START DOING SOMETHING AND THEN WE'LL START BRINGING THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONER IN AS NEEDED AND, UM, SEE WHERE WE GO.
LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIM.
YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? THIS, JUST PUT IT.
UM, ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS? YOU'RE WELCOME CITIZEN.
I THINK I THOUGHT THAT WAS HEARING NOTICE AND COMMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS.
UM, FIRST THING IN THE OLD BUSINESS IS THE EVENTS COMMITTEE AND, UM, HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY WITH, UH, TWO OF THE MEMBERS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, MEMBERS FOR THE COMMITTEE.
AND WE KIND OF JUST BRAINSTORM AND KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT.
IT DIDN'T COME WITH ANY REAL ANSWERS ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS.
CAUSE WE WAS THINKING WE MIGHT NEED A COUPLE MORE MEMBERS, BUT SINCE THEN I GOT AN EMAIL FROM, UM, DANA AND SHE HAD THROWN OUT SOME THINGS.
I WAS HOPING SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE IN TOWN UP TO TALK ABOUT IT, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, EVENTS AND MAYBE NOT HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT HAVING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF, UH, WATCHING EVENTS AND KEEPING US INFORMED AND ALL THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE MEMORIAL, UH, DEDICATION, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN SOMEONE LOOKING AT, UH, AN EVENT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLANNING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE AT THE MEMORIAL AT THAT DAY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, GUEST SPEAKERS OR WHATEVER WE'D LIKE TO DO.
CAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG THING.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A NORMAL, UH, VETERAN'S DAY.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND AND, UH, HER AND I BEING HERE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, WE PROBABLY SHOULD TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL, UM, UNTIL WE CAN GET HER HERE, UH, TO GIVE HER HER OPINION.
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YES, MR. RAY, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE MEMORIAL.UM, I'M SURE WE HAVE THE ARTISTS THAT'S NEXT.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THIS ONE, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO THAT ONE.
THAT'S THAT'S NEXT? UH, YEAH, I KNOW PEOPLE PROBABLY HAVE IT ALREADY.
UM, SO, UM, UM, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THE EVENTS COMMITTEE DISCUSSION UNTIL NEXT MONTH WHEN, UH, DANA WILL BE HERE, UM, TO HAVE A SECOND ON IT.
I KIND OF THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT BETTER ACTUALLY JUST HAVING A PERSON WHO WOULD TAKE THE LEAD IN MARSHALING, UH, FOLKS TO VARIOUS MEETINGS THAT JUST YOU REALLY, WHAT YOU NEED IS ONE PERSON TO ASSESS PROGRESS AND TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SUB COMMITTEE THING AND ALL THAT STUFF, UH, HAVING TO DO WITH CALLING THE MEETINGS AND THE VARIOUS SUNSHINE LAWS AND THE LIKE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THAT, UH, MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA YET.
IN OUR EXPERIENCE, YOU AND I, IN PARTICULAR AND TOM AND, UH, MR. BACKWOODS, UH, WE HAVE HAD ONE BUSINESS SUCCESS ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A FEW THINGS SIMPLY BY QUOTE, GETTING TOGETHER AS A BUNCH AND THEN BRING IT TO COUNCIL WITH THE, UH, UH, FULLY FORMED CONCEPT OF IDEAS AND LIFT ALL THIS STUPID STUFF WE THREW UP BACK ON THE TABLE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IT MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR OUR STRUCTURE FOR NOW.
I DON'T HAVE ARGUMENT ON THAT.
THE QUESTION IS FINDING THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON OUR RESPONSIBILITY SO FAR HAS NOT BEEN EASY.
IT'S LIKE BEEN PULLING IN, IT'S NOT BEEN EASY, BUT YOU CAN KEEP A LIST WITHOUT THEM, WITHOUT HAVING A SUB COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST SAY WHO WANTS TO HELP AND WRITE DOWN THE LIST.
BUT IT'S UM, WHEN YOU SAY, WHO WANTS TO HELP THE SILENCE IS DEFINITELY, OH, I KNOW.
SO, UH, YEAH, SO THAT DOESN'T BODE A SUB COMMITTEE, THEN IT JUST FALLS, IT JUST BODES A GROUP OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WILLING PEOPLE VERSUS NOT WILLING PEOPLE.
UM, AND IN FRONT OF DISCUSSION, ANYONE ELSE ON THAT TOPIC? UM, I AGREE WITH RAY.
JUST SAY HELP WITH THE PARENTS.
JUST FOLLOWING A, BUT YOU CAN STILL LEAVE THE TITLE PANERA BIT ON TOP OF IT.
UH, HEARING THAT, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A, UH, RATHER, UH, EITHER WAY WORKS FOR ME.
AS LONG AS I GET THE VOLUNTEERS TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED DONE, SOMEBODY RAISING THEIR HAND AND SOMEBODY BEING PARTICIPATORY.
AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THAT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN JUST CALLING OUT NAMES AND ASKING PEOPLE TO LEAVE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT WE'LL LOOK AT, IN THE FUTURE AS WE WERE, UH, DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE JUST CALL OUT AN INDIVIDUAL TO LEAD.
AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD CALL WHO HE NEEDS TO HELP OR SHE TO HELP AND GET IT DONE.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
IT'S HARD TO REFORM A MOTION ON THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST TO SAY WE, THAT WHEN WE GOT STUFF TO BE DONE, LESS MARSHALL, MARSHALL, SOME PEOPLE TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE FROM THIS POINT ON, UM, SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE ENDED AND WE'RE GOING TO JUST LOOK FOR LEADS AND LEE WILL MOVE OUT AND DO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.
IT'S LIKE, I'M GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD FOR HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
I'M GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD AND I WILL CALL WHO I NEED AS I MOVE FORWARD ON, ON THAT ISSUE.
SHE STARTED LEAVING THE PROGRAM ALREADY ON IT.
SHE WAS JUST THINKING, SHE'S JUST BRAINSTORMING.
AND SHE, AT THIS POINT SHE WASN'T LEADING ANY, ANYTHING.
SHE DID A LOOSE THAT THAT'S A REMIND FOR LEWIS AND SHE DID THAT FOR THE DEDICATION AND LOSE A STREET-SIDE.
AND, UM, AND SHE DID IT SORTA THAT WAY.
SHE, UM, CALLED WHO SHE NEEDED AND GET IT DONE AS YOU RECALL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FROM THIS POINT ON, SO I WILL NOT MENTION THE WORD SUBCOMMITTEE,
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UM, HIS FOURTH.SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UH, TOPIC, THE AVAILABLE MEMORIAL COMMITTEE.
NOW THIS HAS BEEN LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
A DAY HAS BEEN QUITE AN INTERESTING SITUATION.
UM, UH, ONE MINUTE WE WERE TOLD CEASE AND DESIST AND AT THAT POINT, THE OVARY BILL RESIGNED.
SO BILL RESIGNED AS A RESULT OF THAT DISCUSSION.
HE ADDED A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO IT, BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE MAIN THRUST OR THAT THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK.
SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WAS SAID, UM, UH, TOWARDS, UH, THAT TYPE OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND, UM, THAT BEING SAID, NOW, RAY, YOU'RE, YOU WERE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THE ARTIST'S RENDITION AS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP IT'S CAUSED, UM, BILL TO NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.
SO, UM, I GUESS WHAT WE NEED TO ASK IS CAN WE GET WITH SCOTT AND HAS GOTTEN THAT SCOTT FOLLOWED UP AND SAID THAT HE WOULD PREVENT AND PROVIDE US CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE ASKED FOR IT.
SO WE WANT TO ASK FOR THAT ARTIST'S RENDITION AGAIN.
I'LL ACTUALLY GET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
THE TRADITIONS I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ARE, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THEIR CONSTRUCTIVE ENGINEERING, UM, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THAT, CORRECT.
UM, THE ACTUAL, I GUESS I WOULD SAY I, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM LAYMEN THING, UH, RENDERINGS ARE NOT COMPLETE.
UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON THOSE NOW.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE DESIGN IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS.
UM, THEY'VE THEY BROKE GROUND, THEY'RE DOING THE GROUNDWORK.
NOW, UM, THEY'RE GETTING INTO THE IRRIGATION, THE LIGHTING, UM, ALL THESE THINGS ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, DECIDED UPON AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSION HERE IS AS FAR AS THE BRICKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDED LATER.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE SCHEDULE, MY UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO SCOTT TODAY IS EVERYTHING'S ON SCHEDULE TO BE COMPLETED BY THE NOVEMBER VETERAN'S DAY DATE.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, I KNOW, I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF FAR AS JUST A PICTURE OF WHAT YOU WANT, SEE THOSE THINGS ARE BEING WORKED ON.
SO KIND OF BEING WORKED OUT AS FAR AS FROM THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE OR WITH, UM, I'M TRYING TO USE THE RIGHT WORDS HERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHEN YOU SEE A BIG CONSTRUCTION SITE, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU SEE A PICTURE OF THE ARTIST DREW OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO SEE IT, THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AND THINGS ARE GREAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, MOST OF US KNOW ABOUT SCHEMATICS AND ALL THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS MAY LOOK LIKE ONCE THESE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS COME TOGETHER.
UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THAT PICTURE THAT SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS FOR.
AND I SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG OF WE'RE GOOD ARTISTS.
I GOTTA AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE DOWN HERE AT NINE 20 THIS MORNING, AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS EIGHT PEOPLE THERE AND THEY WERE ALL ACTUALLY WORKING.
I THINK THEY WERE ALL DOING THE SAME RESPECTABLY FAIR REMINDED ME AT THE TIME WHEN, HOW DOES I THINK VIETNAM AND WATCHING A MOVIE.
AND TO ME, THE QUESTION IS THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU FORM IN FRONT OF ME? AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A PICTURE AND SAY, OH YEAH.
WHEN THIS GUY DIG THIS HOLE OVER HERE, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE HERE.
AND THIS ONE, THIS PERSON OVER HERE, THE DOOR, THIS THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE HERE AND IT'D BE EXCELLENT.
AND I GOT TO BELIEVE, AND I GOT TO BELIEVE THAT YEAH, THE COMPANY, YEAH.
THE COMPANY, WHEN I'VE WORKED WITH MILITARY COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY HAD WAS ARTISTS CONCEPTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND NOT THE LAST THING.
SO I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, NOT, NOT TO, I'M NOT GOING TO COUNTER ANYTHING, BUT THE ARCHER'S RENDERINGS ARE NOT, WHICH NOT WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT TOTALLY WITH A PUBLIC STATEMENT, FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN ENGINEERING AND A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE THERE, THERE, IF YOU LEAVE THE OLD
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ARTISTS, REPLAN AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN, THOSE THINGS ARE THERE.UM, OTHER THAN HAVING, YOU KNOW, AN ACTUAL, LIKE I SAID, A PICTURAL RENDERING, EVEN PICTURAL RENDERINGS ARE NOT POINT YOUR I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS ABOUT PICTURE OF RENDERINGS.
I CAN DRAW YOU SOMETHING AS AN ARTIST.
IT'S NOT GOING TO END UP THAT WAY.
I BUILT THE DOG PARK AND THEY DREW IT FOR ME AS AN ENGINEER AND ME CONSTRUCTIVELY WENT OUT THERE AND BUILT IT.
AND I SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THIS WAY.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE KIND OF LIKE, THEY GO HAND IN HAND, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE ISSUE WITH THAT.
UH, THERE WAS THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS TO THIS WHOLE THING.
ONE WAS THE MATE OF THE MAIN MEMORIAL WHERE THE, IT HAD THE POLE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FLAG POLES WERE THERE AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE COULD MAKE PRESENTATIONS, BUT TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT, THERE WAS ALSO MAJOR COMPONENTS.
ONE WAS A FAMILY REFLECTION AREA.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A CIRCLE OF, I FORGET WHAT WE CALL IT.
BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING DOCENTS GO AROUND THE, UH, THE CIRCLE, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE, FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA IF THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN PLACE OR NOT.
AND NOT ONLY US, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UM, UH, UH, SO YOUR CONCERNS ARE, I'M SORRY.
IF I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, THE THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
AND I, I WENT DOWN AND I TOOK A LOOK A DAY AGO AND LOOKED, AND ALL I CAN SEE IS CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE RISING OF THE CENTER, THE CENTER COMPONENT.
AND THEN THERE'S, TO ME, THERE WAS ALWAYS A PLAN AT THE BEGINNING FOR A COMPONENT OVER HERE, WHICH WERE THAT PEOPLE COULD SIT AND REFLECT ON WHAT THEY HAD SEEN THAT DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THERE WAS ANOTHER COMPONENT OVER HERE.
THERE WAS A CIRCLE AND THE CIRCLE WENT AROUND REVOLUTIONARY WAR, CIVIL WAR, WORLD WAR ONE, ALL AROUND THE CIRCLE.
AND THE IDEA WAS, IF YOU HAD VISITORS THAT WANTED TO STAY WHILE YOU COULD ACTUALLY HIT VOLUNTEER DOCENTS, THAT THAT WOULD GO AROUND WITH THOSE PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS HERE BECAUSE, AND SO I TELL THEM, I DON'T SEE THOSE IN PLACE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM YET, IF THEY'RE THERE, I'D BE SURPRISED.
AND I SAID, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT THAT SCOTT TO DOING THIS AND THE TEAM IS MOVING OUT AND WE LOVE THAT IDEA, BUT WE DON'T, WE HAVE NO REAL CLUE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND PEOPLE ASK, YOU KNOW, UH, BEDROOMS AND A MEMORIAL, THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND WE SIT THERE AND WE GIVE THEM THE DEER AND THEY HIT LIKE, UH, WE HAVE NO IDEA.
WE NOTICED SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
AND, UM, WE JUST ASKED HER IF YOU COULD SEND US AN EMAIL, UH, WITH SOME, I WOULD SAY THAT ALL INFORMATION, AND THESE ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE THREE CENTER COMPONENTS THAT WERE PROMISED, OKAY, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, ROB SWIMMER WAS KIND OF THE, THE PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF SOME OF THIS MOSTLY EDIT THIS PROJECT.
SO THOSE CENTER PROJECTS, THESE THINGS, IF YOU'RE QUESTIONING THOSE, THEN THESE ARE THINGS I CAN GO BACK AND FIND OUT, OR YOU, AND A SIMPLE EMAIL CAN BE SENT OUT TO SAY, OKAY, THESE COMPONENTS ARE ADDED OR ARE INCLUDED IN THE ULTIMATE PLAN.
AND LET'S TAKE IT EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER WHAT LET'S SAY, JUST FOR SADLY THAT THEY'RE NOT.
AND THEN ANY CASE THE COMMISSION'S INTEREST IN THE END, THE MEMORIAL DOES NOT CEASE.
IT HAS ADDITIONAL INTEREST IN FURTHERING.
UH, WOULD IT BE THE WORD, THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF THE MEMORIAL FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WILL COME STANDARD SO THAT THE, THE GUESS I'LL CALL THEM SUB-COMPONENTS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM THAT I JUST MENTIONED WERE THERE.
AND THEN SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD, THEY MIGHT EVEN BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN MIMICKING OTHER, OTHER MEMORIALS OF GOOD QUALITY.
SO IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES ALONG AND IT MIGHT COME UP AND LIKE THAT, AND SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT, UH, SO ALL I SEE IS BASICALLY AN ANCHOR BLOCK AT THE MOMENT, A GOOD, PROBABLY A GOOD ANCHOR BLOCK, BUT IT'S STILL AN ANCHOR BLOCK THAT PROVIDES A STARTING CONFIGURATION FOR THE OTHER COMPONENTS, IF THEY HAVE, OR HAVE NOT BEEN PLANNED FOR.
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WELL, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT IS THAT IT WOULD BE A PART OF THE MEMORIAL.SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE YOU WOULD START WITH THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND AS YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE PATH, LOOKING AT THE MONUMENTS, IT WAS A PART OF IT.
I DON'T RECALL IT BEING, IT COULD HAVE BEEN, BUT I DON'T RECALL IT BEING A SEPARATE CIRCLE.
I RECALL IT BEING IMPLEMENTED INTO THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THE MEMORIAL.
SO YOU START WITH REVOLUTIONARY AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PATHWAY, YOU END WITH OIF OR OEF, IRAQI FREEDOM OR AFGHANISTAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DON'T RECALL IT.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF IT RIGHT HERE.
I JUST REMEMBER WHEN ROB WAS GOING OVER IT, HE SAID THAT THAT WILL BE EMBEDDED INTO, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE BRICKS.
I DON'T KNOW THIS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS, IF IT'S DEVIL'S PRESENTED TO YOU AND IT WAS AGREED UPON BY COUNSEL, I'D SAY, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HE'S, HE'S ON THE COUNCIL.
WELL, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST VERIFY, THEY PLAN TO, IS IT A PART OF IT? I'VE NOT COMPLETELY READ THROUGH THE WHOLE DESIGN MYSELF, BUT YOU CAN JUST SHOOT HIM A QUICK EMAIL AND ASK THEM, WELL, IS THERE A COMPONENT? WHY DON'T WE SUMMARIZE IT AND SAY, WE HAVE INADEQUATE INFORMATION TO DESIGN A MEMORIAL AND LEAVE IT AT THAT AND LET YOU TAKE IT FORWARD.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF HE DOES OR NOT.
I MEAN, I THINK ALL, ALL, ALL INFORMATION OF WHAT IS BEING DONE AT THIS TIME.
I'VE NOT READ WORD FOR WORD VERBATIM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, WHAT'S BEING DONE BY THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED UPON BY, OKAY.
CAN YOU START TO SAY THAT THE SENTENCE, ALL INFORMATION RESIDES IN WHERE IS THERE A PLACE WHERE ALL THE INFORMATION DOES RESIDE? IS IT SCOTT AND HIS ARCHIVES? I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING IF THEIR ANSWER TO THIS CONFIGURATION ISSUES THAT WE'RE BRINGING OUT AND YOU JUST STARTED TO SAY, WELL, ALL THAT WE'RE SAYING, IT'S INADEQUATE FOR US.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE STARTING TO SAY ALL THAT INFORMATION RESIDES.
AND THEN YOU WENT OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT THAT, THAT BROUGHT INTO MY MIND.
IF IT IS RESIDENT SOMEWHERE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE IT'S RESIDENT.
SO I COULD SNEAK IN THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, PULL IT OUT.
I THINK YOU'VE BEEN PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU'VE BEEN RELEASED IN LIKE THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.
UM, YEAH, SO I, THOSE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED THROUGH COUNCIL.
EVERY PROJECT I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH AND IMPROVED ON OR APPROVED BY COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY IS AS FAR AS RENDERING DESIGN, UM, SO THAT WE NEED TO GO ONLINE AND READ THE CONTRACT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE NEED TO DO.
I EMAILS THAT EVERYTHING IS THERE, THE EMAILS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.
THAT'S WHERE TOO, AS SOON AS THAT I CAN SAY I HAVE LOTS OF EMAILS.
SCOTT SENT US AN EMAIL, THE HEAD I WAS ATTACHMENTS ON.
THERE'S BEEN, I KNOW HE SENT IT LIKE MORE, I MEAN, THREE TIMES, I BELIEVE.
I KNOW LIKE, LIKE THE CONTRACT IS ONLINE.
SO THE CONTRACTS, THE PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTIONAL RENDERINGS, AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS BEING THERE AND BE PRESENTED TO BE DONE.
THAT WAS SET THIS TIME HAS BEEN SET, BUT WE'RE LAYING IN, LIKE, WE'VE BEEN SAYING, SO ME READING OVER ALL OF THIS GOBBLEDYGOOK AS A, JUST A REGULAR PERSON, HUMAN BEING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT MEANS.
SO WHEN THEY SAY PEOPLE ARE ASKING US, HOW IS IT GOING TO LOOK SO ON AND SO FORTH? YES.
YOU WANT US TO TELL THEM, LOOK AT THESE RENDERINGS AND SCHEMATICS, LIKE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M SAYING TO THAT THEN IS THERE IS CURRENTLY THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM HAS BEEN TASK TO PROVIDE A RENDERING, RIGHT? THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TESTED YET.
YOU MENTIONED, UH, UH, YOU USED THE EXPRESSION, ALL THAT MONEY.
IS THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT ALL THAT MONEY AMOUNTS TO AT THE MOMENT? I DON'T REMEMBER.
YOU MENTIONED ALL THAT MONEY, BUT I, YOU SAID THE WORDS, ALL THAT MONEY, I ASSUME YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE PROCESS OF THE PROJECT.
COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE PROJECT
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SPECIFIC PROJECT BEING HANDLED BY STAFF AT 1.1 0.4.I WAS JUST CURIOUS, OH, THAT'S ALL WE DID.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT IN THAT WAY.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT I WORKED ON A PROJECT WITH AN ARTIST, UH, CONCEPT WASN'T FIRST THING OUT, UH, TO ME THAT'S I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T DONE THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT LITTLE DIFF DEFINITIVE KNOWLEDGE, 1.4 MILLION, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO VETERANS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AS HOW MUCH WE CARE ABOUT VETERANS, WE'RE BUILDING A $1.4 MILLION MEMORIAL.
THAT'S A NICE THING TO SAY TO VETERANS.
AND THAT COULD POSSIBLY MAKE THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES.
YOU KNOW, I'VE I RUN THE CITIES AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE MEMORIALS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE DOLLAR 90, EIGHT MORE MEMORIALS AND THAT'S ALL THEY GOT.
SO HAVING A $1.4 MILLION MEMORIAL IS IN FACT IN AND OF ITSELF A GREAT THING.
BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, AND, AND COST IS GREAT UNTIL WE ONLY HAVE A $1.4 MILLION THING, UH, MEMORIAL, AND THE FIRST THING YOU PRESS IS GOING TO SAY, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? DIDN'T THIS LOOK REAL? THE KIDS HAVE A REAL ANSWER FOR YOU.
I WOULD SAY THIS IS BECAUSE LET'S GET THIS DONE.
AND I'M SAYING THIS TOTALLY AS A PERSON.
THAT'S HOW I GOT AS A CITIZEN HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE DONE BY MEMORIAL DAY FOR RENDERING WILL COME LATER.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SPECIFICALLY THAT I KNOW THAT SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M READING BEHIND CIRCLE SO LIES.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SOLVE THE RENDERING HERE TODAY.
UM, ALI BABA WILL BE MY MAIN POINT, BUT ALSO FOR US TO DIG THROUGH MY EMAILS AND SEE IF I FIND THE ATTACHMENTS AND ALL THAT.
THE OTHER THING I CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU TOMORROW.
BUT THE OTHER THING TOO IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, THIS IS A COMPANY THAT'S WORKING FOR US, SO WE CAN STILL REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, OUR MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT WHATEVER WE WANT TO TERM IT, WHERE WE HAVE A STARTING POINT WITH THE CIVIL WAR.
I MEAN, REVOLUTIONARY WAR LEADING ALL THE WARS, MAJOR WARS WE FOUGHT IN THE END.
LIKE, THAT'S JUST A QUESTION WE COULD ASK THEM.
AND THEN, UH, THE AREA THAT YOU BROUGHT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ASK.
YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THE COMPANY.
GET ASKED THE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT.
THE REAL YOU HAVE TO ASK THIS TIME.
NO, I'M SAYING, OH, THEN YEAH.
HE COULD INCLUDE WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
TO ASK ALONG WITH WHAT KIND OF EMAIL OR IF SCOTT, WHOEVER THE POC IS JUST TO, JUST TO BACK VERIFY JUST TO BACKSPACE ON WHAT'S GOT, UH, OR ON WHAT MIKE SAID, HERE'S THE DESIGN WE'RE GETTING TO IT.
LET'S GET ON WITH IT AND GET IT DONE.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY THE CASE.
FIRE ALREADY IN THE CURRENT TIME, THAT'S EXACTLY THE CASE.
AND, UH, IT'S ALMOST AT THE CASE WHERE, UH, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
ACCORDING TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, YOU SAID THAT, I GUESS YOU SENT OUT THIS EMAIL 1123 TODAY WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE EMAIL UPDATES AND VERBAL UPDATES UPDATE.
AND WE WILL IMPROVE COMMUNICATION IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, HE'S FAILED AT THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE FOLLOW-UP TO THE MAILBOX.
MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOMETIME WE'LL CLOSE UP THE BILL RESIGN, BUT, UM, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR DATA.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT THOUGH.
UM, BECAUSE WELL, THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP AS A POINT OF ORDER IS BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE ON EVENTS SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU SAID WE WOULD NEVER GIVE YOU SAY SUBCOMMITTEE
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INC.DID I SEE IT? I KNOW HE DID SAY BETTER COMEDIAN, RIGHT? BUT I'M NOT PICKING AT THAT.
WHEN I'M THINKING THAT IS THE VETERANS MEMORIAL SUBCOMMITTEE THAT TAMMY BROUGHT UP THAT SAID, HEY, Y'ALL STAND DOWN.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER SCOTT TRIED TO BACKFILL AND RECOVER AND HEY, WE'RE STILL ONE TEAM, ONE FIGHT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, IF THE EVENT SUBCOMMITTEE WENT AWAY, THEN WHY WOULDN'T THIS ONE GO AWAY? WELL, THAT'S WHEN THE SPECIAL, AND MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T CALL IT A SUB COMMITTEE, BUT A COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR MAIN THRUST.
AND IT'S JUST A GROUP OF GUYS THAT MAYBE WE DON'T CALL IT A SUB COMMITTEE.
IT'S JUST THE ONLY, THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, BASED ON US, TRYING TO PLAN BASED ON THINGS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, THERE REALLY ISN'T A VETERAN STUFF.
IF WE'RE BEING HONEST WITH OURSELVES, WE MAY CALL IT THIS, BUT WE HAVE NO INFORMATION OTHER THAN THE ATTACHMENTS THAT I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS WHEN THE GROUND WAS BROKE, I THINK YOU SAID NANCY SENT YOU AN EMAIL AND TOLD YOU THAT THE PROJECT WAS STARTED NOT SCOTT.
SCOTT, DIDN'T SAY, HEY, THEY'RE BREAKING GROUND.
SO THIS WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING WE HAD A FEW DAYS AGO, UM, THIS ISN'T EVEN IN OUR LANE, LIKE IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO ACT LIKE, WELL, IT HAS VETERAN IN THE NAME.
SO YOU GUYS GOT IT, BUT NO, WE DON'T.
ROB, WE DEAL WITH ROB BACK THEN, AS FAR AS WHERE ROB LEFT ALL THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE FLOUNDERING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING ALONG WITH ROBIN.
WE HAD A REAL GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
AND ONCE HE LEFT, WE JUST LIKE FREEFALL.
AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO REGROUP AND HOOK UP WITH SCOTT, WHICH IS NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UM, UH, WHICH I STILL HAVE FAITH THAT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA BEGIN GOING TO GET THERE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE IN FREE FLOW AND THERE WAS A VETERAN SUBCOMMITTEE AND TELL ROD LEFT.
NOW WE'RE JUST A BUNCH OF GUYS YELLING AND SCREAMING AT A MEETING.
AND THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
UM, DO I KNOW IT'D BE ANOTHER MEETING OF IT THAT I DON'T THINK, BUT WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ORGANIZE A PUSH BACK TO SCOTT SAYING WE, AS THIS GROUP, THE COMMISSION FEEL THAT WE HEARD NOT GET AND ALSO CC THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WE ARE A CREATURE OF THE COUNCIL.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE STOOD UP BY ORDINANCE, LIKE ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE A WAY, LET ME BACK UP A SEC.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS ROAD BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 19, OUR BIG FOCUS WAS THIS MEMORIAL.
AND SOMEHOW WE WERE OURSELVES ACCEPTED.
THIS ARE, WE LED TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING WE'LL BE DOING FOREVER.
AND THIS IS OUR MAIN THRUST TAKING CARE OF THAT MEMORIAL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HELPING VETERANS AND ALL THAT.
BUT WE MORPHED IT, WE HIT, UH COVID-19 AND WE HAD THAT FIGHT ABOUT, UH, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT IN ALL THAT? AND WE GOT PAST THAT.
DID WE GET COVID DIDN'T ROB WE'RE WORKING WITH ROB.
AND HE WAS CALLING THE MEETINGS AND WE WERE MEETING WITH HIM AND THEN HE LEFT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET ALL THESE CRICKETS AND, AND WE GET FRUSTRATED AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE HERE.
AND WE'RE ALL FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WE'D BE PART OF SOMETHING AND REALLY BE FEEDING INTO IT AND GET FEEDBACK FROM IT.
SO WE NEED TO STOP THAT PUT TOGETHER HOW START WRITING SOMETHING, WE ALL WRITE IT AND SEND IT TO SCOTT.
AND THE COUNCIL AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A VECTOR BECAUSE WE HAVE FREE FALL AND WE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, A VECTOR, UH, UH, DIRECTION AND SOME SPEED BECAUSE IF NOT, WHY ARE WE HERE? UM, YEAH, IF YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR ANY TIMELINES, I JUST PULLED IT A QUICK SEARCH AND PULLED UP AUGUST OF 20, 20 AS OF FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTED TO 1.5, 6, 5, 6.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE PIECE THAT ACTUALLY AUTHORIZE THE DESIGN WORK AND ALL THAT.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, OTHERS CONDITION COMING OUT OF THAT.
UH, THEN THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, THAT CAME UP, THAT WE GOT, UH, HIT BY IS I THINK SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING DONATIONS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING PEOPLE FOR DONATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING FUNDRAISERS AND ALL THAT, THEN THE CITY.
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SO NOW WE WERE SAYING, OH, WHAT, UH, YEAH.SO WHAT IS FUND RAISING GOING TO LOOK LIKE? OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FUNDRAISING? SHOULD WE DO FUNDRAISING? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW? SO W WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT WAS IN TODAY'S EMAIL, AS FAR AS IT SAID WHEN, WHEN THAT SECOND, I MEAN, I DON'T, I MEAN, I'LL PULL EMAIL UP, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T READ IT.
THAT WAS ADDRESSED TODAY AS FAR AS, UH, BUT SEE THAT, THAT GENERAL COURSE PROGRESSION AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOU CONTINUING TO EVOLVE AND CONTINUE COMMUNICATION FUTURE.
OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT JAMIE SAID WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF WILL, UH, DO THE BRICK SALE? YOU LOOK AT THIS, WELL, THIS IS THE ONE SCOTT PUT OUT IN, BUT YEAH.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S THE THINGS WE NEED TO PUT IN A FORMAL REQUEST AND, UH, WITH ALL OF US SIGNING IT AND SEND IT TO SCOTT AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT KIND OF ANSWER WE GET.
UH, I'LL TRY TO START WRITING SOMETHING AND, UM, AND PASS IT AROUND.
UH, YEAH, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING TOO WAS, UM, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE BRICKS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW OUR FRAME OF VIEW REAL BIG ON THAT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT BREAKS.
LIKE, UM, I WAS ONLINE GOING THROUGH, OH, ARCHIVE FOOTAGE AND SAW WHERE AMERICAN LEGION HAD DONATED $5,000 TO OUR, OUR, UM, MILITARY AND VETERANS MEMORIAL.
SO NANCY HAD BROUGHT UP TO ME ABOUT MORE SOLICITATION LIKE THAT, GETTING SOME SOLICITATION LETTERS AND WRITING THEM UP AND SENDING THEM TO VFWS MA AMVETS DAV, AND EVEN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE TREMBLE ARE OUR MAIN, UM, COMPANIES HERE IN THE HUBER HEIGHTS AREA TO GET DONATIONS AND RENDER SUPPORT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE MEMORIAL.
BUT LIKE, WE'VE BEEN SAYING, IF WE'RE OUT OF THE LOOP AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO START SENDING THEM.
OH, OKAY, WELL, YEAH, WE'LL DONATE.
UM, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US ON US, ON A SONG.
THAT'S WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE, BUT IF WE COULD FIND OUT JUST BOTTOM LINE, IF WE COULD FIND OUT HOW WE GO ABOUT SOLICITING DONATIONS, ARE WE NONPROFIT, THAT KIND OF STUFF, THEN THAT WILL HELP US IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY GO DOWN THAT ROAD OF TRYING TO GET DONATIONS FOR THE FORDHAM MEMORIAL, I THINK THE CITY HELPED US WITH IT THAT, WELL, WHOEVER IT IS DONATIONS AND THOSE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN DECIDED UPON YET, AS FAR AS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BRICK, I'M SURE THERE WILL.
BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BRICKS THOUGH.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BRAKES, THE BRAKES, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT $5,000 THAT AMERICAN LEGION GAVE TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS MEMORIAL, WHERE'S THAT MONEY.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO, AS WE, SOLICITATE MORE FUNDS, THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO TOWARDS THE MEMORIAL, HOPEFULLY NOT IN AIR QUOTES, BUT THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO THE MEMORIAL.
SO I'M SAYING US AS AN ORGANIZATION, IF WE WANTED TO TAKE THAT ON, THIS IS GIVE US THIS LITTLE PIECE AND WE COULD DO SOLICITATIONS THROUGH THESE ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFIT FOR-PROFIT TO HELP SUPPORT THE MEMORIAL.
HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT? OKAY.
BEFORE IT BECAME THE MEMORIAL THAT WE WORKING ON, NOW, IT USED TO BE THE, THE ETHICAL OR THE NAME OF THE CALL RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WAS THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE WAS DONATIONS BEING GIVEN BECAUSE YOU GAVE IT TO US AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT TOO.
UM, HOW'D YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT PARKS AND REC AND MEMORIAL, THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC FUND FOR THEM AT ALL.
SO HONESTLY, ANY, ANY DONATION MADE TOWARDS THAT?
SO WE CAN JUST GO ABOUT IT IN DECEMBER.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE ON, I'M NOT SAYING IT IS, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE OFF, GO AHEAD.
I GUESS THE MONEY HAS NOT BEEN SPENT IT'S THERE, RIGHT? JUST LIKE MR. RONALD'S POINTED OUT.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN APPROPRIATED TO A GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW FOR A PROJECT, AND IT'S STILL THERE FOR, TO BE PAID TOWARDS THIS PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMING OUT A LITTLE LATER.
COUNCIL APPROVED FOR LEGISLATION TO BE APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT.
FOR ONE POINT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MILLION.
SO, SO THOSE FUNDS TO GET INTO THAT ALLOCATED WILL BID ME AS THEY'RE PAID FOR BROUGHT OUT
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OF THAT AND THEN PUT INTO THERE.DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
BUT AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW APPROPRIATED IS IT? YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE NO DIFFERENCE IN IT HAS BEEN.
UM, WHAT IT'S ALLOCATED FOR IS JUST THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT, BASICALLY JUST LIKE AN ASSET, RIGHT.
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN MOVING FORWARD TO NOW OR THEN OKAY.
BUT BASICALLY THE PROJECT HAS BEEN FUNDED AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCIES OR SOMETHING, IT'D BE DITCH.
IF NO HOWARD HUGHES COMES DOWN AND WANTS TO SAY I'LL PAY FOR IT ALL WITHIN THE CITY SAYS, OKAY, WELL THEN THOSE MONIES GET REAPPROPRIATED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU JUST RESERVE THAT HOUR NOW FOR THIS PROJECT.
BUT NOW THE QUESTION I HAVE IS PART OF THE NEXT DISCUSSION IS, UM, I KNOW AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING ALL THESE GREAT THINGS, BUT ONLY WE KNEW IT.
UM, WHY IS IT WE'RE NOT GETTING MORE PUBLICITY FROM THE CITY ON, THIS IS A FANTASTIC THING.
I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE MORE PUBLICITY NOW THAT WAS AT ONE LITTLE THING IN THE DAYTON DAILY, BUT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING GOING OUT ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS GOOD.
SO I, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A PERSON THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR COMMUNICATIONS TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNICATIONS GET OUT OR, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST A THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW, NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT US.
IS IT, IS IT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IT? OR CAN'T WE FREEWILL AND JUST LET WDTF.
AND W H I L KNOW, OPEN EVENTS OR THINGS THAT WOULD SAY THIS AND OUTREACH PROGRAM.
I WOULD SAY THIS LET'S, LET'S GET SOME COMMUNICATION ISSUES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THUS FAR IRONED OUT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT FACEBOOK OR WHAT IS IT, THAT'S THE BEST COMMUNICATION TOOL RIGHT NOW THAT I AM AWARE OF.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY WITH THAT IS LIKE, LET'S GET ON THE SAME PLATE AND FOCUS, AND WE'RE THE SAME DIRECTIVE AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO PUT THIS INFORMATION OUT AND MAKE A CARESS.
SO, AND I AGREE WITH YOU OUT A TOTALLY A SENSE OF LIKE, IF THE KNEES NEED MORE PUBLICITY, WE'RE IN JULY, UM, WE GET INTO AUGUST, YOU KNOW, THEN SOME OF THESE THINGS WILL COME OUT CLEAR WHEN WE GET THE RENDERINGS.
AND SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN START TO BE SAID, HEY MAN, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE, THE DISCOURSE OF DISCOMMUNICATION WITH ROB LEAVING AND THIS AND THAT, SOME OF THAT'S MY FAULT.
AND I'M THAT GUY, BECAUSE IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE NOT COMMUNICATED WITH THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
SO IF YOU HAD COMMUNICATION WITH ANYTHING, I WOULD MORE THAN OPENLY ASK YOU TO ADDRESS ME WITH ANYTHING YOU AND I, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT I DO.
AND I, AND I HAVE AN ANSWER HOPEFULLY FOR YOU, IF I DON'T AND WE, WITHIN 24 HOURS, WAS ANYBODY HERE, YOU FALL ON YOUR SWORD ABOUT THAT.
YOU NEED, YOU CANNOT DO IT ALL ON YOUR OWN BACK.
YOU NEED A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE STAFF ON THE
UH, I'M A PHONE CALL AWAY FROM PETE FALLEN UPON A SWORD, BUT IT'S OKAY.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, I, I'VE NOT BEEN HERE FOR 26 YEARS FOR NOT A REASON.
SO WHAT I SAY WITH THAT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMUNICATION PROBLEM.
AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH COMMUNICATION.
I TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WITH ANY OF YOU.
AND IF I CAN RECOMMEND, IF YOU GUYS SAY YOU RANG DOWN AND YOU GRABBED SOME PICTURES OF CONSTRUCTION WORK GOING ON AND YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT IT, MAYBE FOR THAT INFORMATION, OR WHEN YOU GET A RENDERING TO SARAH, SHE RUNS OUR SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF OR THAT OVER TO SARAH AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GET THIS OUT ON THE FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND ALL THAT ME AND I CAN GET, GO UPSTAIRS.
I'M NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA GUY, BUT I KNOW I GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU ON THAT.
AND I EXCHANGED EMAILS ANYWAY, PAT, GET HERE.
I'M MORE THAN OPEN TO CO YOU KNOW, TELEPHONE GOALS, ANYTHING WE CAN GET THAT LADY FROM THAT OTHER PLACE THOUGH.
OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU RELATE TO, UH, DO YOU HAVE A FEELING ON THEIR CAPACITY TO ABSORB WORKLOAD? ARE THEY, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE,
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THE SCOTT HAD TIME TO BLOW HIS NOSE OR IS EVERYBODY SO FULL UP WITH WORKLOADS? NO, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE AND CHECKED ON THEM SEVERAL TIMES MYSELF.UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM SOMEWHAT DIRECTLY HERE AND THERE.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AT THIS TIME.
I THINK AT THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PUT TOGETHER THAT LITTLE SPIEL AND SEND IT ON TO MY, UH, THE COUNCIL AND, AND TO, UH, TO SCOTT JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED, ALL OF US SIGN OFF ON IT.
WE PASS IT AROUND AND MAKE SURE WE ALL AGREE AND THEN WE SEND IT FORWARD AND SEE WHAT COMES BACK.
UM, AND I'LL TRY TO START WORKING ON IT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE AND, UM, SIT AROUND AND THEN LET EVERYBODY SIGN UP.
I MEAN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, VERY, VERY BIG, OH, SORRY.
UM, I HAVE BUILT TWO COMMUNITY OUTREACH TUTORIALS FOR TWO SEPARATE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE PAST MONTH ON HOW TO DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT IT HERE AT COUNCIL.
AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET TOGETHER, NOT A SUB COMMITTEE.
WE OUGHT TO GET TOGETHER AT LUNCH SOMETIME.
AND LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I GOT.
DO THAT, THAT IT JUST KIND OF STRUCTURES HOW YOU DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND YEAH, THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION OF THAT LETTER THAT I'M PUTTING TOGETHER TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO I WOULD MEET AT THE OFFICE OUT, PICK A DATE.
WE'RE SITTING HERE DOING NOTHING AND THEN WE SHOULD DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND HERE'S HOW WE CAN DO IT EVERY MONTH.
I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT DONE? I THINK SO.
SO AS FAR AS THE MEMORIAL IS CONCERNED, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP AND WE'RE GOING TO TIGHTEN UP THE DISCUSSION AND TRY TO GET THINGS SOLVED.
SO BY AUGUST WE CAN START LOOKING AT, UM, WORKING, UH, AT OUTREACH, UH, SITUATION.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS GO HAND IN HAND AND WE'RE MOVING THEM FORWARD INTO THE NEXT MEETING.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WERE RECORDED, UH, THINGY, HOW OLD, HOW LONG BEFORE DAD IS ACTUALLY A RETRO VEHICLE? I BELIEVE, UM, TAKES ABOUT 24 HOURS.
IS THAT OKAY? LIKE, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR TONY.
SO, UM, MOVING ON DOWN TO THE NEXT DISCUSSION AS NEW BUSINESS, QUICK DISCUSSION ON, UH, ELIZABETH A. LITTLE BIT SENT ME AN EMAIL SAYING THAT, UM, UH, SHE'S VERY BUSY WITH HER FAMILY, UM, THAT HER SON IS GETTING READY TO PLAY FOOTBALL AND SHE JUST CAN'T FIND A TIME COME TO MEETINGS, UH, OFTEN.
AND SO FAR WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN AWHILE.
AND, UM, SO SHE ASKED THAT, UM, SHE GET A LEAVE OF ABSENCE.
NOW I TOLD HER NO RESPOND EMAILS, WHICH ARE FAMILY GROWING AND THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING A LEAVE OF ABSENCE, NOT GOING TO CUT IT CAUSE YOUR CHILDREN ONLY TO BE DEMANDED MORE AND MORE TIME.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DEMAND LESS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
SO LUCY'S EMAILS AND, UH, AND, BUT SHE HASN'T RESPONDED SINCE I SENT THAT EMAIL.
SO THE LAST DISCUSSION THAT'S AFFECTED, SHE ASKED FOR A LEAVE OF ABSENCE.
I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU, UH, SUGGEST TO HER THAT THAT APPRECIATION FOR SERVICE IS GIVEN AN, A RESIGNATION BECAUSE WHAT SHE'S DOING IS BLOCKING SOMEBODY PARTICIPATED FROM BEING HERE.
I ASKED HER, I WAS LOOKING TO CONSIDER BEING A VOLUNTEER AND THAT WAY SHE CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND DO THINGS ON HER OWN TIME.
SHE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND WE CAN PUT IT OFF AND I'LL GET BACK WITH HER.
AND PERHAPS, UM, WE'LL SAY THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE JUST THE DEBT.
AND, UM, AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
FOR THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT OF PARTICIPATION, YOU KNOW, BEING A VOLUNTEER WOULD BE JUST AS FACILITATOR, BUBBLE OR FACILITATIVE, IF YOU WILL.
AS FAR AS HER HISTORY FOR HER, BECAUSE SHE CAN DO IT WHEN SHE FEELS LIKE SHE CAN DO IT AND NOT BE, YOU KNOW, JOHN AND THIS STILL BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO I'LL PRESS ON WITH THAT AND GET BACK WITH HER.
SINCE YOU SAID IT, HAVE YOU REACHED BACK OUT TO BILL, HAVE YOU TALKED TO BILL ABOUT CONSIDERING OR ANYTHING? OH YEAH, I DID.
AND HE SAID, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NO,
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HE SAID THAT, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING TO GET BACK WITH HIM AND IF HE THINK THAT WE MADE SOME REAL, REAL PROGRESS, UH, HE WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT WE MADE IT, WE HAVE MADE ANY PROGRESS.UH, AND I'M, I'M GOING TO TELL HIM THE TRUTH AND HE CAN MAKE IT THIS MAN UP HIMSELF.
UH, UNTIL WE SEE SOME SALAD, HE SAID HE WANTS TO SEE SOLID, UH, PROOF THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE S SOMETHING SOLID, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ACTUAL, TANGIBLE THAT WE DIDN'T BRIAN.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'LL TELL HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
UM, BECAUSE BILLY KNOWS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS AND HE'S REALLY A DOER AND WE LIKE TO SEE HAVE HIM ON THE TEAM.
SO WE'LL SEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE GAVE HIS RESIGNATION TO TONY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, UH, TONY CAN HOLD THAT RESERVATION WITH NATION BEFORE.
WE'D HAVE TO START LOOKING FOR IT.
I THINK I ASKED HIM TO LET ME KNOW BEFORE HE DID IT AND I, I GOT THE EMAIL AND SAID, I'VE DONE IT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, ON THE LIST IS, UM, THE BLUE STAR FAMILIES, UM, DR.
MAPLES CAME IN AND ASKED US TO CONSIDER DOING HIDDEN HEROES, HAVING THE HUBER HEIGHTS BECOME ONE OF THE CITIES TO SIGN ON, TO BECOME THE 160 OF THE SUNLIGHT THAT, WELL, I GOT A COPY AND I THINK RAY GOT A COPY OF THIS, UM, UH, UH, WHITE COLLAR, THE ENTIRE PROGRAM, BASICALLY WE CONSIDER THE CITY'S PROCLAMATION.
AND, UM, THIS THING IS QUITE QUITE CHALLENGING.
I'VE SEEN THAT THE CITY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH AN ORGANIZATION IN ORDER TO FACILITATE WHAT'S ON HERE AND WE DON'T WANT IT.
YOU SHOULDN'T PUT IT THAT WAY.
LET'S PUT IT TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD EFFECTIVELY CARRY IT OUT.
SO BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS CITY WOULD HAVE TO CREATE A NEW FUNCTION WITHIN A NEW, WITH AN INCUMBENT AND AN OFFICE JUST TO DO THAT ONE THING.
NOW WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE AGREED AND MADE A PROCLAMATION.
THEY DID IT IN MY OPINION, WITHOUT CREDIBILITY AND WITHOUT ETHICS, BECAUSE EVEN WHEN THEY SIGNED IT, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE THEY JUST WANTED TO DO IT SO THEY COULD WAVE THE FLAG AND THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF CARRYING OUT THE TRUE INTENT.
SO, UH, KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS YOU COULDN'T CHECK WITH MIDDLETOWN AND SEE HOW THAT WE DISCUSSED IT.
AND MIDDLETOWN WAS THE LAST CITY TO SIGN ON AND RAIN, I WAS TALKING, I WOULD LIKE TO BE AT LIKE, TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH IT.
SO HAVE THEY DONE ANYTHING WITH IT? UM, OR THEY JUST SIGNED ON.
AND BEFORE I BRING THIS BEFORE OUR COUNCIL AND HAVE THEM LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, UH, WE WANT TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH.
SO THAT THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE HAVE.
YEAH, MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE RESEARCH CREDIBLY SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW THAT THERE'S CONSEQUENCES AND WARN YOU AGAINST, OF LOOKING AT YOU.
CAUSE THERE ARE WARN YOU AGAINST WHAT YOU'D BE IN FOR IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT.
I MEAN, ON A, ON A, ON A COVER, IT SOUNDS GOOD.
HE SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THIS, THIS, AND THIS MIGHT EVEN BE A MONETARY COMMITMENT ONCE YOU GET DOWN IN HERE.
SO, BUT THE CONCEPT SOUNDS REALLY NICE.
I MEAN, IT IS A NOBLE PROJECT.
BUT THE ABILITY TO CARRY OUT IS, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T MEET ALL PLANES.
IT'S NOT A JOINT, JUSTIN JOINING KIND OF THING.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE THAT AND GIVE YOU A, GIVE YOU A, UH, STAFF PAPER ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES THE PROS AND CONS OR WHAT IT IS.
BUT, BUT THE MOST PROMINENT THING THAT, UH, WE'VE SEEN AT A GLANCE IS YOU BETTER HIRE MORE STAFF.
ONE THING ABOUT, ONE THING ABOUT THE ONE THING ABOUT MIDDLETOWN THOUGH, IS THAT'S OUR HOME CITY.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT SOMEONE ELSE.
WHAT IS THE OTHER ONE BEFORE THAT? IT'S THE LIST LIST.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I WOULD, I RELATE THIS SEVEN WENT TO, UM, A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NATIONWIDE IT'S TREE, CITY USA
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TO BE A PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION.YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ON-STAFF ARBORISTS, WHICH IF YOU'RE NOT, I DO COST YOU ABOUT 40, $50,000 A YEAR.
SO THAT'S
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU HAD TO HAVE ON STAFF AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED.
SO SIMILAR THINGS TO, YOU KNOW, APPLE'S WARRANT JUST KIND OF THING.
RIGHT? DID THE CITY BOUND? YEAH.
BUT WE PRACTICE THE SAME METHODOLOGY IS IF WE CUT DOWN A TREE, WE PLANT THREE OR FOUR.
SO THE SAME PROCESSES HAPPENING.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE TREE, CITY USA.
WE CAN DO THE SAME THING HERE WITH HONORING X AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR AN ARBORIST.
I THINK WE CAN HONOR OUR PEOPLE HERE WITHOUT ALL THAT HIDDEN STUFF.
THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED HIDDEN.
SO WE'LL DO SOME RESEARCH AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BRING IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WON'T BE TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, I LEARNED, UH, WORKING ON MILITARY SYSTEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS NEVER CAN FIND A TIME TO DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, BUT WE ALWAYS FIND TIME TO DO IT THE SECOND TIME.
SO WHY DON'T WE DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
THAT'S TOO MUCH, AS YOU SAY A FONDER, FINE.
WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE THAT TIME, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT.
SO THAT IN A NUTSHELL IS THE AGENDA.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, I LOST MY GIN, UM, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, BEFORE THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE GERMAN.
I LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND THEN WE'VE GOT A SECOND.
KIND OF HAIR-RAISING BUT YEAH.