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OKAY, WE'RE READY WHEN YOU ARE, RIGHT?
[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
IT IS, UH, JULY 21ST.THIS IS A MEETING OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.
IT IS SIX 30 AND WE'RE CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
ALL RIGHT, TONY, YOU WANT TO GET US ROLLING WITH THE ROLL CALL? YES.
UH, MR. ELLIS HAS NOTIFIED US.
HE WOULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.
MR. FANNON PRESENT MR. HENDRIX PRESENT MR. KITCHEN PRESENT MR. OTTO HERE.
MR. WAMSLEY PRESENT MR. WEBB HERE.
JUST A REMINDER, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONES ARE ON AND LIGHT GREEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING INTO IT.
UH, SO WE GET THAT ON THE MEETING MINUTES.
I'VE BEEN TOLD SOME OF US HAVEN'T INCLUDING MYSELF.
I'VE NOT COME THROUGH AS CLEARLY AS THE MINUTE TAKER WOULD LIKE.
SO, UM, TRY TO ENUNCIATE INTO THE MICROPHONE.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
LOOKING AT APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM JUNE 16TH MEETING, UH, IS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE.AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES, UPDATES, CORRECTIONS FOR THOSE MINUTES? THOSE STANDARDS APPROVED? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, TONY.
ONTO OUR TOPIC, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION, WE'VE GOT OUR LEGISLATIVE
[ Legislatiom Worksheets Review]
OR UNPLEASANTLY LEGISLATION, EASY FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY THAT'S LEGISLATION WORKSHEETS REVIEW SAYS LEGISLATION.YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS? YES, PLEASE.
SO, UM, THE REMAINING WORKSHEETS WE HAD FOR REVIEW ARE IN PART NINE AND PART 11, THE FIRST HALF OF PART 11 ANYWAY.
AND, UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHT THE ONES THAT, UH, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS OR UP ABOUT.
WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE AND, AND MOVE ON THROUGH THEM.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, SECTION 9 23 0 4, UH, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH SEWER USE AND PRE-TREATMENT UM, SO, UH, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, UH, LAW DIRECTOR REVIEW.
WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING ON PARAGRAPH A AND A SECTION 9 23 0 4.
AND, UM, WE ASKED FOR A SECOND REVIEW OF THIS BY THE LAW DIRECTOR, AFTER SOME DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THE LAW DIRECTOR'S RESPONSE THAT HE BELIEVES THE PHRASE CO UH, IN QUOTE CAUSED ANY OF THE FOLLOWING AND QUOTES SHOULD BE DELETED IN ITS ENTIRETY AND A COLON PLACED AFTER THE PHRASE, UH, AND QUOTE, WHICH IN WHOLE OR PART AND QUOTE, UH, WE WOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE REVISIONS, UNLESS THERE IS ANY OBJECTIONS TO DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY, THEN WOULD HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT.
AND THEN, UM, MOVING ON TO, UH, 9 32 0 7, WHICH IS A TYPES OF PROTECTION REQUIRED, UH, THIS WENT BACK FOR A REVIEW BY STAFF.
UM, I THINK IN THIS ONE, UM, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE SPELLING OF THE WORD PRINCIPAL FROM PAL TO P A L E.
AND I WAS, IT WAS THE REVERSE CHANGE, P L E TO P A L I HAVE PRINTS OUT EVERY TIME.
AND, UM, SO WE WERE GOING TO INCORPORATE THAT, UM, INTO THERE.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS JUST LIKE, UM, A REVIEW TO LOOK AT THE LIST OF THE TYPES OF PROTECTION THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THERE TO SEE IF THERE WAS A NATIVE UPDATE.
THE CITY ENGINEER HAD NOT SEEN ANY NEEDS FOR UPDATE.
AND, UM, WHILE DIRECTOR FEELS IS PART OF THE REVIEW IS DONE AND THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE HE COULD ADD TO THAT.
SO, SO THAT WAS ALL IN PART NINE PART.
11, UM, 1103 0.01 PARAGRAPH, A INTERPRETATION OF TERMS OR WORDS.
I THINK IT WAS JIM ELLIS WHO HAD BROUGHT UP IF THE DEFINITION OF A PERSON IN THIS SECTION,
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UM, ALSO INCLUDES A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY.I THINK COMPANY WAS REFERENCED, BUT NOT LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY.
UM, THE LAW DIRECTOR'S FEEDBACK WAS THAT HE BELIEVES THE TERM COMPANY IS BROAD ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND NO CHANGES NEEDED TO THAT SECTION.
UM, THERE WERE, UH, SOME COMPARISONS DONE BETWEEN SECTION 1103 0.39 AND 1103 0.01 PARAGRAPH A IN TERMS OF THE DEFINITION OF PERSON, UM, THAT MAYBE THERE WERE SOME INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE TWO OF THOSE DEFINITIONS.
UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR'S FEEDBACK WAS THAT HE WOULD EITHER DELETE THE 1103 0.39 REFERENCES REDUNDANT IN MANY RESPECTS OR A MAN, UH, 1100, 3.01 A TO READ THE SAME AS IT CURRENTLY READS ON 1103 0.39.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION HAS A PREFERENCE ON WHICH DIRECTION THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT, BUT, UH, JERRY FEELS EITHER OF THOSE WAYS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE OR REMEDIES TO THAT INCONSISTENCY.
WE HAVE 1109 0.09 HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT AND 1109 0.10 VERTICAL ALIGNMENT.
UH, THE QUESTION WAS IF THE REFERENCE TO A S H T O IS STILL CURRENT UP-TO-DATE AND VALID, AND, UM, WHILE DIRECTOR SAYS THAT TO HIS KNOWLEDGE, UM, THAT'S STILL THE TERMINOLOGY USED BY THE CITY.
UM, WE COULD INCORPORATE SOME LANGUAGE THAT THE LATEST VERSION IS.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO THAT CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT EACH TIME, BUT I THINK HE JUST WAS INDICATING THAT THE LATEST VERSION WAS THE SEVENTH EDITION, WHICH WAS UPDATED 2020.
SO, UM, HE BELIEVES THAT WOULD STILL BE AT CURRENT REFERENCE.
UM, THIS WAS TO DETERMINE IF IN THIS SECTION OF GATED STREETS NEED TO BE INCLUDED, UH, BASED ON SOME DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, HE SAID, UH, HE BELIEVES IN READING IN THE MINUTES THAT MR. OTTO WAS REFERRING TO EMERGENCY ACCESS, ONLY LANES THAT ARE GATED ARE CHAINED WITH A KNOX BOX FOR FIRE ACCESS.
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY WOULD NOT BE DEAD END STREETS, BUT RATHER RESTRICTED ACCESS STREETS AS THEY DO GO SOMEWHERE.
UM, HE SAID, IF YOU HAD A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OR HE SHOULD HAVE READ THAT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE NEED TO CONVEY THAT DAY.
SOME OF THOSE WERE THE STREETS THAT WERE SET UP WITH THE KNOX BOX FOR FIRE ACCESS, BUT WE ALSO HAD SUB STEP STREETS IN THAT CONVERSATION TOO, WHICH IS THAT, IS THAT SCENE IN THERE.
I MEAN, SUB STREETS KNOW WHERE, WHERE PLANE DEVELOPMENT JUST STOPPED.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
SO FINE WITH THE ANSWER ON THE, ON THE OTHER ONES.
UM, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME AS THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY THROUGH THE STREETS, THEY'RE JUST MADE FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT TO THAT? I DON'T.
UM, THE DIRECTION WAS TO REVIEW THE SECTION TO DETERMINE IF SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS IN THIS SECTION.
UM, THE FEEDBACK WAS THAT REQUIREMENTS FOR SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES IS THE STANDARD IN CASES WHERE IT MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL FOR SOME REASON.
THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN GRANT A VARIANCE UNDER SECTION 1, 107 0.05 OF THE CITY CODE.
ANYTHING ADDITIONAL ON THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS MOSTLY A CLARIFICATION.
11, 17.04, SCHEDULE A FEES, CHARGES AND EXPENSES.
UM, THIS ONE WAS ASSIGNED TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
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BACK BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING, SO WE'LL HAVE TO CARRY THAT ONE OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING THAT WAS CONCERNING.JUST ADJUSTING THEM FOR IF THEY NEEDED TO BE UPDATED, OR IF WHAT'S IN THE CODE IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT THE CURRENT CHARGES ARE AND FEES, OR IF THEY NEED TO BE INCREASED FOR SOME REASON TO JUST HAVE, UH, MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION IS CONSISTENT.
UM, THE LAW DIRECTOR TO REVIEW TO DETERMINE IF THE REFERENCE TO HIRE REVISED CODE SECTION 7101.12 NEEDS UPDATED.
UM, AND THE FEEDBACK WAS THAT HIGH REVISE CODE SECTION 7 1 1 0.12 IS NO LONGER IN THE REVISED CODE.
AND HE WOULD REMOVE ALL OF SECTION 1117 0.99.
UH, PARAGRAPH B IS IT'S NO LONGER NECESSARY.
SO ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD CATCH
SO DOES SEE NOW BECOME BEAD AS IF THERE'S A C AFTER IT THEN.
YEAH, THEY WOULD ALL JUST MOVE UP.
11 21 0 2 IS ANOTHER FEE SCHEDULE.
UH, MY COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS ITEM ON FEE SCHEDULES WOULD BE THE SAME.
WE'VE NOT RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
AND SO WE'D CARRY THAT ITEM OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, THIS ONE, WE HAD THE WALL DIRECTOR TO REVIEW THIS SECTION TO DETERMINE IF ANY CHANGES ARE NEEDED OR IF SECTION 11 21 0 7 CAN BE REMOVED.
UH, THE FEEDBACK WAS THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR COULD FIND NO CORRESPONDING REFERENCE TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS AND REVISED CODE CHAPTER SEVEN THROUGH 13, HE BELIEVES THIS LANGUAGE WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, 81 DASH ZERO DASH ZERO EIGHT, AND PROVIDED THAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WOULD BE EFFECTIVE UPON APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.
HE SAYS ON HIS PART, HE SAID ANY NEW CHANGES TO THE CODE BECOME EFFECTIVE PURSUANT TO THE CITY CHARTER 30 DAYS AFTER PASSAGE.
AND HE DOES NOT SEE A REASON FOR THIS PROVISION, BUT HE ALSO SAID HE DOESN'T SEE WHERE IT HURTS IN ANY FASHION EITHER.
SO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION COULD GO EITHER WAY TO EITHER REMOVE IT OR TO RETAIN IT AS IS THOUGHTS, REMOVER RETAIN, REMOVE IT, REMOVE IT, PULL IT, REMOVE IT, CLEAN HER UNNECESSARILY, CLEAN IT UP.
UH, THIS WAS TO BE REVIEWED, UH, BY THE WALL DIRECTOR TO SEE IF ANY CHANGES WERE WARRANTED.
HE SAID, HE THINKS THE USE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS OKAY IN THIS SECTION.
THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND AN ASSESSORY BUILDING BOTH BY DEFINITION AND 11 23 0 1 AND 11 23 0 2 BEING A BUILDING SUBORDINATE TO A BIGGER BUILDING ON THE SAME LOT.
UH, HE ALSO WENT ON TO SAY AN ACCESSORY BUILDING APPEARS TO BE THE SMALLER OF TWO BUILDINGS LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT, REGARDLESS OF HOW THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE BEING USED.
AND ASSESSORY STRUCTURE APPEARS TO BE A SMALLER BUILDING THAN THAT.
IT IS BEING USED IN A SUBORDINATE MANNER FROM HOW A LARGER BUILDING ON THE SAME LAW IS BEING USED.
RIGHT? SO IT ALMOST SOUNDS AS IF THERE JUST HAPPENED TO BE A GARAGE THAT WAS LARGER THAN THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE WOULD THEN BECOME THE SUBORDINATE BUILDING OR EVEN A BAR OR A BAR.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, WE SHOULDN'T DETERMINE THAT IT'S A SUBORDINATE STRUCTURE PURELY BASED UPON SIZE.
WELL, I THINK THAT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, IS HOW IT'S DEFINED NOW IS THAT, THAT HOW THAT IS HOW IT'S DETERMINED, UNLESS YOU'D HAVE, I GUESS MORE THAN YOU'D HAVE THE HOUSE AND SEVERAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, THEN THEY MIGHT BE RANKED BY SIZE.
THOSE INDIVIDUALS MAYBE RANK BY SIZE SEEMS TO ME LOGICAL THAT THE HOUSE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE WOULD BE THE STORAGE ALWAYS REGARDLESS OF SIZE.
SO SHOULD WE LOOK TO PLAY SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT DESIGNATES THE, THE
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BUILDING WITH THE LIVING QUARTERS AS THE PRIMARY BUILDING IN SOME FASHION? I DON'T KNOW THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT, BUT, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE LAW DIRECTOR.ONLY THING I COULD SEE IT SHIFTING IS THAT AS IF SOMEBODY ALSO LIVES IN THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, IF YOU LIKE RUN IT OUT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BE ALLOWED, BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE LIVING QUARTERS IN BOTH THE PRIMARY AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING PRIMARY LIVING QUARTERS.
THEN YOU CAN GO BY SIZE ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU HAVE LIVING QUARTERS IN BOTH OF THEM AND YOU CAN GO INTO YOUR TO FIND A HUGE, UH, YEAH.
CAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE LIKE THOSE IN APARTMENTS OR A GUEST HOUSE OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE EXIST IN HUBER.
IT WOULDN'T MAKE A BUNCH, BUT OKAY.
WE CAN ASK HIM TO KNOW A LOT MORE IN DEPTH AND COME BACK WITH SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE TO MAYBE MAKE THAT CLEAR TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
NEXT IS 11 23 53 HOME OCCUPATION.
UM, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE HAD THE RESIDENTS PRESENT TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE AND THEIR ISSUES WITH IT.
UM, AND TALKING WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR AND, UH, THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, I AM AWARE THAT THERE IS A, UM, A REWRITE OF THE SECTION TAKING PLACE BY STAFF TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE HERE.
AND, UM, THERE'LL BE TAKING THAT REWRITE AND, UM, RUNNING IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, COUNCIL, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, SO IT WAS THOUGHT THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO BE DONE THROUGH THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KIND OF FAST TRACK IT, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE UNDERLYING ISSUES IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
SO WE WOULD JUST CONSIDER THAT ONE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMMISSION, UH, TO BE REMAIN UNCHANGED AND THAT'LL CALL ON A SEPARATE TRACK FOR APPROVAL OF THAT, THE REVISIONS TO THAT SECTION.
NEXT IS 1120 3.951 PARAGRAPH J TWO SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES.
UM, I THINK THIS WAS ONE THAT JOSEPH BROUGHT UP THAT, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, BUSINESS REGULATION, PART OF THE CODE WE HAD, UH, CHANGED THE DEFINITIONS, UM, FROM, UH, BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE PERSONS, I THINK TO, UH, JUST PERSONS.
AND, UM, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE WOULD JUST, UH, MAKE THE SAME DEFINITION CHANGE IN THIS PART OF THE, UM, AS WELL TO BE CONSISTENT.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT TO DOING THAT FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS THAT WOULD BE THE PLAN OF ACTION FOR THAT SECTION OF THE WORK 23.127 PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY.
UM, THERE'S SOME REFERENCES TO THE, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, FORMER INCARNATIONS OF THE WATER COMPANY IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS THE LAST TIME, BUT IT DOES SAY THERE ARE SUCCESSORS OR ASSIGNS.
SO, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR'S FEEDBACK WAS IF WE WANT TO UPDATE IT AND PUT IN THE CURRENT NAMES AND THEN RETAIN THEIR SUCCESSORS AND ASSIGNS WITH THE CURRENT NAME WE COULD, UM, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE AT THE SAME, IT, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY HURTING ANYTHING BECAUSE THE NEW COMPANY IS, AND THE SUCCESSORS OR ASSIGNS, BUT SOME PEOPLE LIKE, I GUESS THE HISTORICAL REFERENCE TO NOW WHERE THINGS ORIGINATED, BUT, UM, SOME PEOPLE PREFER LOOKING AT IT FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING THE MOST CURRENT OR REFLECTIVE OF THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE.
ANYONE WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IS OKAY.
UM, 1120 5.02 ZONING CERTIFICATES AND OCCUPANCY PERMITS.
UH, THIS WAS TO DETERMINE IF CHANGES ARE NEEDED AND TO ADDRESS THE TERM SUBSTANTIAL.
UH, AND THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR WAS THE TERM SUBSTANTIAL IS USED OVER A HUNDRED TIMES IN THE CODE.
IT IS PURPOSELY BROAD AS EACH SITUATION IS DIFFERENT.
UH, SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF A SHED IS LIKELY A FRAMED BUILDING ON THE GROUND.
A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF A SUBDIVISION PHASE COULD BE CONSTRUCTION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND GROUNDWORK WITHOUT A SINGLE STRUCTURE BEING BUILT YET.
SO HE FEELS THAT IT'S INTENTIONALLY SUBJECTIVE AND WE SHOULDN'T MESS WITH DEFINING IT FURTHER
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BECAUSE IT HAS DIFFERENT APPS LOCATIONS, AND THAT SUBJECTIVITY ALLOWS FOR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS AND DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE.OKAY, NO OBJECTIONS WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
NO NEXT WE HAVE 1120 7.03 C FOUR POWERS.
UM, THIS WAS TO REVIEW THE SECTION TO DETERMINE IF ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES ARE NEEDED AND TO SEE HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, UH, THAT ALL DIRECTORS FEEDBACK WAS FROM WHAT HE CAN SEE IN VERY A REVIEW OF VARIOUS OTHER OHIO CODES.
THE VAST MAJORITY REQUIRE THE ACTUAL FEE OWNER, NOT LAND CONTRACT.
VENDEE THE ONES THAT DO NOT PROVIDE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SIGNED BY THE OWNER.
SIMPLY SAY THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO DEFINE WHO THE APPLICANT IS.
I POINT THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION.
THIS IS LAW DIRECTOR'S WORDS TO SECTION 1130 0.03, WHICH ALSO DEALS WITH LAND CONTRACT VENDORS, NEEDING OWNERS, PERMISSION OF OWNER FOR ZONING CHANGES.
SO, UH, JERRY, THIS WAS THE ONE I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, TRYING TO SEE WHAT IT REFERENCES ON 1130 0.03, WHICH ALSO DETAILS THAT'S LIKE I'M APPLYING FOR ZONING CHANGES THAT I GUESS THE, THE, UM, LINK, IF A LAND CONTRACT VANDY WANTED TO APPLY FOR A ZONING CHANGE ON A PROPERTY, THEY WOULD NEED THE OWNER'S PERMISSION TO DO SO.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE IF YOU WERE TRYING TO CHANGE ZONING, BUT IN THE CASE OF, I GUESS, TO CHANGE ZONING FOR TWO PARK, A TRAILER IN YOUR YARD, OR TO GET THAT PERMISSION, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT WOULD THAT THEN, I MEAN, THAT COULD KIND OF FALL UNDER, WELL NOW 1130 OR THREE A WHERE IT SAYS AMENDMENTS TO THE TEXT OF THE CODE MAY BE INITIATED BY AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING WAYS.
AND THEN THAT, THAT NUMBER FIVE IS ACTION BY A RESIDENT PROPERTY OWNER OR BUSINESS OWNER, BUT THAT'S MORE A REQUEST TO CHANGE THEM FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UH, THE SECTION WE WERE REVIEWING WAS 11 27 0 3.
UM, NOW FROM WHAT I'M READING BETWEEN THE LINES OF WHAT HE'S SAYING HERE IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES CODES, UH, REQUIRE THE ACTUAL FEE OWNER, UM, TO, UM, TO BE ON AN APPLICATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE JERRY'S TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.
UM, I GUESS IN A MINOR, THE IMPLICATION IS THAT A MINORITY OF COMMUNITIES ALLOW IT THE OTHER WAY.
SO, UH, IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF EXPLORING, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF APPROACHING THAT AND ALLOWING A LAND CONTRACT VANDY TO BE, TO DO THAT IN THAT SECTION 11 27 0 3, UM, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO I THINK HE'S SAYING IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULDN'T POTENTIALLY BE DONE.
IT'S JUST NOT DONE THAT WAY IN THE MAJORITY OF COMMUNITIES.
AND DO YOU SEE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS? IF THAT INDIVIDUAL TRYING TO REQUEST SOMETHING IS ACTUALLY A REQUEST IN SOME TYPE OF A MODIFICATION TO THE HOME OR THE PROPERTY, THE OWNER DOESN'T KNOW SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, THE DEAL FALLS THROUGH, AND NOW THE OWNER'S STUCK ON THAT CHANGE THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT COULD CREATE AN ISSUE.
UM, IS THERE, UM, WHAT I, WHEN I ESCALATED IT UP THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS, I'VE FOUND THAT EVEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HERE HAD SUGGESTED THAT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY'S REQUESTING, UM, THE NOTES ARE PUT IN TO THAT PROPERTY ADDRESS, THAT WAY SOMEBODY DOES CALL IN, OR THERE'S A COMPLAINT OR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER NOTICES THAT, OR ANY OTHER CITY EMPLOYEE OR ANYBODY THAT ENFORCES THE POLICY, THE ORDINANCE THAT NO COULD BE REFERENCED THE NEGATIVE, SAY, OH, THEY HAVE PERMISSION.
THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO, EVEN
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FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AND READING THE PROCESS, I HAD TO HAVE THAT SIGNED AND I COULDN'T OBTAIN THE SIGNATURE.HE DIDN'T SIGN IT, WHICH IS FINE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE IT'S SUCCESSORS AND OR SCIENCE.
CAUSE THAT'S HOW MY CONTRACT READ WHEN THE ORIGINAL PRINCIPAL HAD BECAME DECEASED, IT TRANSFERS TO RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT PERSON, THE SUCCESSOR, THE SUCCESSOR OR AIR.
MAYBE I CAN JUST ESCALATE IT IN MY PERSONAL CASE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK SOMETHING THAT'S.
SO IT'S PUT INTO THE NOTES IS, IS COMPARABLE TO LET'S CHANGE THE ZONING FOR A LOT.
TO ME, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME, THEY'RE NOT EQUAL.
YEAH, NO, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN GOING AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION TO LAW DIRECTOR TO WORK OUT LANGUAGE OR, UH, I MEAN, I THINK, UH, I THINK A BASIS FOR IT WOULD BE IF A RESIDENT COULD DOCUMENT THAT THEY MAINTAIN OR IT'S IN WRITTEN IN A CONTRACT THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAXES AND MAINTENANCE AND INSURANCE AND UPKEEP.
I THINK THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR POSITION, ESPECIALLY WITH MORE HEDGE FUNDS, OWNING PROPERTY AND BECOMING MORE DISTANCE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND SOMETIMES IN THE WORLD, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE COMPLICATED TO GET PRINCIPALS, TO SIGN OFF ON THESE, THE CHANGING WORLD, YOU KNOW, WE, AS A COMMUNITY REALIZED THAT PEOPLE ARE STAYING OR NOT WANTING TO OWN HOMES AND THIS LEADING INTO BUILDING APARTMENTS, I THINK THAT'S COME ACROSS IN OUR OWN, UH, MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL, FROM WHAT I'VE READ IN THE PAST AND IN COMMENTS MADE.
SO JUST CHANGING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SO RIGID, IT'S JUST, IT'S CHANGING.
IT'S CONSTANTLY CHANGING TONY.
I DON'T HAVE THE LOGIN, THE GUEST LOGIN FOR THEM.
UH, I GUESS I SHOULD HAND IT DOWN AND STARTED READING IT OVER THE, UH, THE LIVE STREAM.
SO, UH, UH, I'LL TAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION THE COMMISSION WANTS TO EITHER REVISIT THIS FURTHER TO, UM, MOVE ON WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION THERE WOULD BE, WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY TO DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHO CONTROLS THE PROPERTY WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS SOMETIMES.
UM, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY UNTIL MY MORTGAGE IS PAID OFF, I DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
BUT I'M CONTROLLING THE PROPERTY.
SO I MEAN THERE'S THROUGH DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTITIES AND AGREEMENTS.
IT'S GENERALLY SPEAKING, SAME SITUATION.
AND MAYBE WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE FROM THE MINORITY REPRESENTATION THAT SEE HOW THAT'S WORDED DIFFERENTLY, IF IT IS DONE IN OTHER PLACES THAT ALLOW THEM, THAT TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED AND LOOKING AT FOR YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE 11 41 0 1 DISTRICTS, UM, ALL DIRECTOR AND THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW THIS SECTION TO DETERMINE IF ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES ARE NEEDED TO THE LIST OF DISTRICTS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, I DID NOT GET ANYTHING FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, THE LAW DIRECTOR'S FEEDBACK WAS I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY CHANGES ARE REQUIRED AS THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICTS AND THAT OVERLAY DISTRICTS LIKE THE BRAND PIKE DISTRICT HAVE CERTAIN SPECIFIC PROVISIONS, BETTER SUBJECT STILL TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT LISTED IN THE SECTION THAT IT OVERLAYS.
HOWEVER, IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH TO 90, THAT GETS INTO DETAIL WITH PARTICULARLY THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION.
THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC OVERLAY WITH ZOOM.
UM, SO ALTHOUGH THAT YOU HAVE, IT'S AN OVERLAY AND YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER DISTRICTS UNDERNEATH IT, I WOULD THINK THAT THE RULES TO THE OVERLAY BEING LISTED OUT HERE, AS I READ THROUGH THEM WOULD RULE IN THAT CASE RIGHT THERE.
WELL, WHAT I'M READING FROM HIS FEEDBACK HERE IS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT IT'S, AS YOU SAID, ON TOP OF UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT, UM, THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT WAS STILL GOVERNANCE IN CERTAIN AREAS IN TERMS OF, UH, DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS AND ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
NOW, WHAT AM I, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO ASSUME THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD GOVERN IN THOSE AREAS
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THAT WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED BY THE OVERLAY? UM, CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T MAKE SEEM LIKE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION.BUT, UH, WE CAN GET MORE CLARIFICATION.
CAUSE IT JUST WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT AN OVERLAY AND HAVE SPECIFIC RULES THERE AND THEN SAY, OH, BUT WE CAN'T FOLLOW THOSE BECAUSE THE ZONING UNDER UNDERLYING ZONING SAYS WE CAN'T.
I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST DIFFICULT WITH THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PARTIES AREN'T PRESENT HERE WHEN WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONDENSE INTO THE MINUTES SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT THEN WHEN IT GOES BACK, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PARTIES TO, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING ABOUT HERE.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING IT BACK FOR SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE HALL DIRECTOR.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER HADN'T WEIGHED IN AND UM, HE'S TYPICALLY THE PLANNING DIRECTORS UP.
YOU KNOW, UH, HE MIGHT HAVE SOME INSIGHT INTO THIS AS WELL.
I DON'T, WE'LL JUST ROLL IT OVER FOR THE NEXT TIME.
UM, 11 56 0 3 K SITE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
UH, THIS WAS ONE THAT I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, UH, BACK FROM STAFF.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, 11 60 0 6 GROUNDWATER PROTECTION STANDARDS.
UM, LAW DIRECTOR SAID HE JUST LITERALLY RAN OUT OF TIME IN TERMS OF, UH, GETTING TO THIS LAST ONE.
SO HE WILL STILL PURSUE IT AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT WEEK.
SO WE'RE ALL CAUGHT UP ON OUR LEGISLATION WORKSHEETS, INDEED.
[ City Code - Part Eleven - Planning and Zoning Code - Part 2 - Review]
WE'RE MOVING ON TO CITY CODE PARTY, 11 PLANNING AND ZONING CODE PART TWO REVIEW.SO WITH THIS ONE, UM, WHERE WE LEFT OFF IN SECTION 11, UM, WAS AT 1171 CHAPTER 1171.
UM, I WILL JUST ALSO NOTE THAT, UH, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UM, THEM MEMORANDUM AND EMAIL FROM MR. ELLIS.
UM, AS HE'S ON VACATION, HE STILL WANTED TO PROVIDE HIS CONTRIBUTION FROM THE NORTHERN WOODS OF WISCONSIN.
AND, UM, I'D EXPECT NOTHING LESS FROM YOU.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE THAT, I THINK IT'S IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER CORRESPONDING TO, UH, REMAINING PARTS OF, UH, PART 11.
AND THEN, UH, WE WERE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PART THROUGH 13 ALSO.
AND HE PROVIDED SOME FEEDBACK IN SOME CERTAIN SECTIONS, SO, OKAY.
HE DIDN'T COMMENT ON EVERYTHING.
UH, JUST THE ONES WHERE HE, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO A PARTICULAR ISSUE.
SO, UM, W LIKE TONY SAID, I THINK WE LEFT OFF AT 1171.
UM, I WOULD THINK THE EASIEST WAY, IN MY OPINION TO GO INTO THIS WOULD BE TO SAY, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING IN 1171 THAT THEY'VE PICKED UP? I SEE JIM HAD NOTHING THERE.
I HAVE SOMETHING AT THE VERY END UNDER DETAILED.
THERE'S NO LIKE SECTION NUMBER FOR THIS, BUT IT'S UNDER RIGHT BEFORE 1172 UNDER DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS FOR PUE DISTRICT HAVE A NUMBER TWO THAT'S 1172 RIGHT BEFORE.
THERE'S NO NUMBER NEXT TO THE ACTUAL TITLE.
BEFORE IT G2, I'M JUST SAYING I'LL PROPOSE UTILITY.
THEY'LL KNOW IF THERE'S ANY EXTRA UTILITIES WE'D WANT TO INCLUDE THERE SUCH AS INTERNET OR FIBER.
THAT'S A GOOD CALL, ESPECIALLY WITH A FIBER GOING IN RIGHT NOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ONES THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF.
AND THAT WAS WHERE I HAD, UH, RIGHT BEFORE 1172 G2.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD NOT BE NUMBERED.
THOSE TWO LAST TWO HEADINGS ARE NUMBERED UNLESS SOMEHOW THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR A PUD AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE DETAILED AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE LIKE EXHIBITS, BUT WEREN'T LISTED AS SUCH IN HERE.
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THE LIST JUST TO IDENTIFY WHY THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF HANGING OUT THERE WITHOUT A NUMERICAL DESIGNATION.I ASSUME WE DO REQUIRE PHYSICAL COPIES.
CAUSE I GIVE LIKE DEMENTIA, LIKE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, SCALES AND STUFF, WHICH THEY DO REQUIRE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, PAPER ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ON THE LARGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE YOU GUYS GET SO MANY COPIES FOR LIKE, UH, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME MANY COPIES FOR STAFF AND THEN LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN FILING WITH THE, AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT STEPS.
SO YEAH, THEY DO REQUIRE PAPER COPIES STILL.
I HAD ONE IN 11 71 0 8, ACTUALLY MY COUNSEL.
UM, AND IT READS, UH, AT LEAST 15 DAYS NOTICE OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF SUCH PUBLIC HEARING SHALL BE PLACED ANY NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION IN THE CITY.
DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT TO READ SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE NEWSPAPER? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A NEWSPAPER ANYMORE.
OH, WE HAD DISCUSSION IN THIS PAPER A LITTLE FOUR AND THE LAW DIRECTOR SAID THAT THAT'S LIKE WELL-ESTABLISHED.
AND WE HAD THAT GENERAL COURT REPORTER THAT WE SEND THINGS TO.
YEAH, WE, WE USE THE DAILY COURT REPORTER NOW IS A NEWSPAPER GENERALS, UH, CIRCULATION.
UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF EDITORIAL CONTENT AND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ADVERTISEMENTS ARE LEGAL.
THEY GO INTO THAT AND IT HAS TO COVER A CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL RANGE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UM, UNDER THE TERMS OF THE HIGHER REVISED CODE, THERE'S BEEN A RULING THAT DAILY COURT REPORTER MEETS THAT REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UH, THERE, WE CAN USE THE, THE DAILY NEWS ALSO WOULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, UH, DAILY COURT REPORTERS JUST CHEAPER TO DO SO.
UM, THIS DOES NOT EXCLUDE OTHER MEANS OF NOTIFICATION.
UM, BUT, UH, IT STILL DOES REQUIRE THAT, UH, BE DONE IN A NEWSPAPER NOW.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK STATEWIDE AT THIS.
AT ONE POINT, THE STATE WAS LOOKING AT CREATING A WEBSITE THAT ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES AND JURISDICTIONS COULD POST THEIR PUBLIC NOTICES TO THIS WEBSITE.
WELL, OF COURSE THE NEWSPAPERS WENT CRAZY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA PUT US OUT OF BUSINESS, UH, BY DOING THAT BY OFFERING A FREE ALTERNATIVE.
SO, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THAT AND THE STATE ENDED UP DROPPING THE IDEA.
UM, SO THIS IS STILL PRETTY MUCH THE NORM AND, UH, MOST COMMUNITIES AND, UM, HOW IT'S DONE, BUT WE DO, YOU KNOW, NOTICE ON LIKE THE WEBSITE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR SITUATION, UM, TYPE OF ZONING CASE, UM, OUR CODE REQUIRES IN CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY OWNERS BE NOTIFIED BY MAIL, UM, AS WELL.
SO, UH, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF NOTIFICATION, BUT MINIMALLY, THIS HAS TO BE DONE.
AND THE ONLY REASON THAT JUMPED TO ME, WHEREAS IT SAID OF GENERAL CIRCULATION IN THE CITY AND THAT PAPER THAT YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE EVER SEEN A COPY AROUND HUBER HEIGHTS.
WELL, THEY'RE PRIMARILY, YOU CAN GET PAPER COPIES OF IT, BUT THEY'RE PRIMARILY A ELECTRONIC NEWSPAPER.
UM, EVEN THE COURIER WENT TO THAT NEAR THE END.
UM, BUT THE TERM, A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION IS AN IDENTIFIED TERM IN THE HIGHER REVISE CODE AND OR ELEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, UH, TO DEFINE THAT.
AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT, UH, THAT THOSE TWO ENTITIES, THE DAILY NEWS AND THE DAILY COURT REPORTER FOR THIS AREA TO MEET THAT DEFINITION.
AND THEN THE, THE 15 DAYS, I MEAN, IS THAT ARE TYPICALLY I SAW 15 AND THAT NUMBER JUST DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S 15 IN OTHER AREAS, AS FAR AS NOTIFICATION, UH, PLANNING TYPES OF SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT HOW DO YOU DEFINE DAYS? AND I THINK WE AGREED THAT IF IT JUST SAYS DAYS, THEN IT WAS CALENDAR DAYS, UNLESS IT SPECIFICALLY STATED BUSINESS DAYS.
UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ANOTHER NUMBER, BUT YOU GENERALLY WANT TO ALLOW AT LEAST A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE WORD CAN GET OUT TO PEOPLE IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
SO THEY COULD PLAN TO ATTEND IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT AN A COUPLE DAYS NOTICE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S 15 IS A MAGIC NUMBER THAT HAS TO BE 15.
IT COULD BE 14 OR 17, BUT, UM, 10 BUSINESS DAYS EVEN WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME.
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OKAY.SO ANYONE ELSE IN 1171 HAVE ANYTHING ALL RIGHT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG, WE'LL BE OUT OF HERE IN A FEW HOURS.
UM, LET ME, UH, GO WITH THE 1100 SEVENTIES IN GENERAL BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL 1180 AND YOURS WAS AT 10 AND 1170S.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS NOTED IN THAT, IN THAT GENERAL AREA? A COUPLE SPELLING THINGS IN THE 1172 AND 1175.
IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, THEN REVIEW THEM IN LIKE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET THEM ON THE RECORD AND 11 72 0 1, UH, SECTION E UH, COMPLIMENTARY, I BELIEVE IT'S THE WRONG COMPLIMENTARY.
UM, THE ONE THAT IT'S USING IS MEANS EITHER, YOU KNOW, PRAISING OR FREE, UH, THE PHRASE, OKAY.
THE WHOLE SENTENCE IS USES, DESIGNED SOLELY TO SERVE IN A COMPLIMENTARY WAY, THE NEEDS OF THIS DISTRICT ABOVE.
UM, I THINK THEY MEAN COMPLIMENTARY IS LIKE A COMPLETE IT.
SO IT WOULD BE CHANGING THE IDEA AND HE, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND THEN 11 75 0 2, THE FOLLOWING PRINCIPLE, ANOTHER PRINCIPLE IS WRONG.
I THINK ACTUALLY THE, IT USES PRINCIPLES SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE, AND IT USES THE CORRECT ONE UNTIL IT GETS TO THIS SECTION.
DULY NOTED, 1170 SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT A SPELLING THING.
11 76 0 1 PRINCIPAL FOR, TO USES FOR VARIOUS THINGS.
I NOTICE THINGS LIKE FILLING STATIONS, SERVICE STATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANT TO ADD ANYTHING LIKE ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS TO THE LIST, OR IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FILLING STATION.
I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T SEEM TO FALL INTO THOSE.
I THINK THOSE WOULD BE LIKE A, UM, LIKE A SOB USE TO MAYBE ONE OF THESE PRINCIPLES ESTABLISHMENTS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE LIKE A BUSINESS THAT WOULD JUST BE ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
I THINK IT WAS COVERED ON THE NEXT SECTION SENSORY STUFF.
EIGHTIES, ANYONE GOT ANYTHING IN 11 YEARS? JIM DID HAVE, UH, 11 80 0 8 ON HIS LIST AND IT LOOKED FUNNY.
I HAD NOTED 1181 TO THREE TO THEM.
I THINK THAT KIND OF, OH, THAT'S WHERE IT POINTS TO THAT AGAIN, THE, UH, AIRPORT THING.
I KIND OF CAUGHT THAT TOO, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER THAN THAT THE, THE, UH, FAA AND DANA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 0.8.
SO I GUESS IT'S MORE JUST ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT CONSISTENCY.
AGAIN, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, THREE STORIES, NOT TO EXCEED 35 FEET.
UM, AND I HAD CAUGHT IT A COUPLE OTHER PLACES, BUT ALSO IN 11 81 0 3, IT GOES TO THAT RIGHT THERE, THE HEIGHT AND STRAIGHT HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT OF ANY STRUCTURE IN THE CITY OF HERE WHERE HE SHALL COMPLY WITH FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DATE, INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, WRIGHT PATTERSON, AIR FORCE HEIGHT, OR A BAY MEN REQUIREMENTS.
WELL NOW 11 80 0 8 IS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO THAT WAS JUST DONE IN 2018.
SO THAT CONDITION OR LIMITATION OR REQUIREMENT, UM, WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED AT THAT TIME.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THIS PARTICULAR SEC.
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MAYBE WE COULD ASSUME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASSUME WE WERE THERE.UM, THAT, UH, THAT WAS JUST A TEMPLATE LANGUAGE.
OR A TIGHTER REQUIREMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THE HEIGHT TO BE IN OVER A CERTAIN OVER THREE STORIES, I THINK IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
DANG, THE NEW MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, NOT GOING TO BE LIKE A TOWER.
I WAS HOPING WE WERE GOING TO BE IN THE PENTHOUSE.
CAN WE CAN CHANGE THAT AND WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT SO WE COULD RECOMMEND A CHANGE IF, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE ON THE OTHER AREAS, IF THAT WAS SPELLED APPROPRIATE OR THEY COULD JUST, ONE OF IT'S JUST APPLIED TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA AGAIN.
MAYBE THAT WOULD JUST BE, TO FIND OUT IF THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY SET IN A LOWER NUMBER INTENTIONALLY OR A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
I KNOW THAT MAYBE THE CONSULTANT, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT THAT CONCEPT IN, INTO THESE REQUIREMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN THEY WERE HELPING DRAFT SOME OF THIS OR I DON'T KNOW.
SO IT COULD BE CHANGED, BUT IT COULD BE LEFT THE WAY IT IS TO, I THINK IT'D BE OKAY.
I DON'T SEE US BUILDING FOUR STORY BUILDINGS ANYWHERE IN THAT AREA, BUT UH, ANYBODY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON A CHANGE AT THIS POINT OR IN THE SAME LINE? WHAT IS THE GOOD IS THE GOOD SAMARITAN THREE IT'S THREE.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH MY WIFE ON, ON THE IDEA THAT THEY COULD BUILD A THREE-STORY BUILDING THAT CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, THAT'S IN OUR WARD TOO.
UM, AND THE REASON WE FIGURED, OKAY, FOUR WOULD BE RE WE, WE DIDN'T LIKE THREE, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE, IT CAN HAVE BEEN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
YOU COULD LOOK OVER SOMEBODY'S PRIVACY FENCE IF YOU'RE FROM THAT THIRD FLOOR, IF YOU'RE IT, BECAUSE IT WAS SET BACK ONLY FROM THE PRIVATE, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA ONLY HAS TO BE 30 FEET, I BELIEVE WAS THE SETBACK THAT WAS REQUIRED ON THE, SO WE, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY LIKE THREE BUT FOUR.
WE WOULDN'T LIKE FOR, AT ALL FOR AS FAR AS STORAGE IS ON THAT, BECAUSE YOU COULD DEFINITELY LOOK OVER PROBABLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE'S PRIVACY EVENTS IS AT THAT POINT WHEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT ISSUE AND THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION AREA, BECAUSE GOOD SAMARITAN IS AT THREE STORIES ALREADY.
AND THE PLAN IS PROBABLY FOR SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPONENT TO THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE LOOKING DOWN ON SOMETHING DEPENDING ON HOW HIGH THAT IS.
SO, SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER JIM WAS SAYING IT SHOULD JUST BE CONSISTENT OR, YOU KNOW YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S ADVOCATING FOR MAKING IT HIGHER.
SO I WOULD SAY EITHER IT STAYS THE SAME OR I, I DON'T THINK WE'D WANT TO GO LOWER EITHER.
CAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE A NON-CONFORMING BUILDING, UH, WITH THE GOOD SAMARITAN.
ANYONE ELSE IN 11 80 11 81, JIM HAD 1 11 81, 12, THE FIVE, UM, AND IT'S OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLACED AT FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT IS A REASONABLE AND TWO, WHAT DOES IT APPLY? I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE HAD TENTS OR OTHER OUTDOOR DISPLAYS THAT STAND MORE THAN FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT GYMS CABINETS.
NOW, AS FAR AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT IS TH THAT THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSING TEMPORARY SALES.
SO THESE ARE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING YOU IN AND OUT OF YOUR STORE AND SET OUTSIDE ON A SIDEWALK SALE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT SAYS, UM, WELL NOW, UH, B THIS IS OUTDOOR RETAIL SALES AND DISPLAYS.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TEMPORARY SIGNS.
I WOULDN'T APPLY TO PEOPLE LIKE I, IT'S NOT PREVENTING ME FROM DOING AN OUTDOOR SALES CAUSE I'M ABOVE MY FEET.
WELL, IT DOES MENTION NO SALE CAN BE DUCTED OUTSIDE EXCEPT TEMPORARY SALES.
SO THIS IS TO A TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, WHICH I ASSUME WOULD BE THE SANDWICH SIGNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
FIVE FEET WOULD SOUND REASONABLE
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AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.THAT'S WEIRDED OR WORDED WEIRD IN THAT IT SAYS THAT THE HEIGHT OF ANY OUTDOOR SALES, SHOULD IT BE SALES DISPLAYS OR SIGNS? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I GUESS IT DEFINES OUTDOOR SALES IN PARAGRAPH A WOULD INCLUDE ANY OUTDOOR DISPLAY OF MERCHANDISE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT MUCH OF A DEFINITION.
MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT THE MERCHANDISE HAS TO BE SO FAR OFF THE GROUND, THAT IT CAN'T BE THAT YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE THE GROUND LITERALLY WITH MERCHANDISE.
THIS IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND IT LOOKS TO BE JUST TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY SALES, ALL OF THEM.
BUT HOW DO YOU HAVE A HEIGHT OF A SALE? THAT'S WHAT I ASSUMED THERE WERE VERNA SIGNAGE.
UM, SO I THINK MAYBE THAT, I THINK AT A MINIMUM, THE WORDING SHOULD BE, UH, RECONSIDERED IN PARAGRAPH FIVE.
AND THEN, UH, I NOTED IN UNDER B EIGHT AND THAT SAME ELIMINATE ONE 12, IT SAYS OUTDOOR SALES AREAS SHALL BE IN GOOD ORDER IN WILMINGTON.
AND THAT JUST SEEMS OVERLY BROAD BY THE STANDARD.
HOW ARE WE DETERMINING THIS? I MEAN, GOOD ORDER.
AND WELL-MAINTAINED, I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS IN MY JOB.
I'VE BEEN INTO A LOT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.
THEY'RE NOT ALL IN THE SAME ORDER OR MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, WHO, WHO DETERMINES THE ORDER AND MAINTENANCE LEVEL? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
LIKE THE ZONING, DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN A, YOU KNOW, AN OUTDOOR SALE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN GOOD ORDER OR NOT WELL MAINTAINED AND IT IS ONLY TEMPORARY.
UH, IT JUST SEEMS THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED OR JUST, JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART REALLY READING IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT ACCOMPLISHES, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE IN THE END.
IT SAYS THE OUTDOOR SALES AREAS SHALL NOT CONSUME ANY OF THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES CONSUME.
SEEMS LIKE A WEIRD WORD TO MAYBE UTILIZE WOULD BE A BETTER WORD OR DISPLACE.
I CONSUME SOUNDS LIKE ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH IT AND THE PARKING SPOTS ARE GONE, EAT IT UP.
UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, LET'S JUST PUT IT ON THE LAST TWO.
UH, HAVE IT APPRECIATE RECONSIDERED.
UM, JIM'S NEXT ONE IS 11 81 12, NO, 15, I'M SORRY.
15 E ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE THAT? AND WE'RE TALKING TEMPORARY SALES E SECTION DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ENFORCED LIKE ANY PARTICULAR PART OF THAT SECTION.
I MEAN, I KNOW HE DIDN'T SAY, BUT ANY PARTICULAR PART OF THAT SECOND, CAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PARTS THAT COULD PEOPLE BE VIOLATING HER ABOUT BEING OF COURSE, I WOULD GUESS MOST OF WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO AS GARAGE SALES, THAT GUY SIGNAGE, LIKE PEOPLE WILL, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT THEM ON LIKE THE STREET POLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THEY'RE EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE, UM, LIKE THE SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS OR WHATEVER, LIKE REALTORS, WELL, THIS SAYS I CAN EXCEED MORE THAN FOUR SQUARE FEET INSIDE.
SO I DON'T THINK I SEE A LOT OF VIOLATIONS FOR GARAGE SALE SIGNS, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
MOST OF THEM IS DRAMA ON POSTER BOARD OR SOMETHING OR SOMETHING.
IF SOMEONE REPS THEM DOWN, THEY DON'T REALLY CARE BECAUSE IT'S A TEMPORARY THING.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WITHOUT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES HOW THE CITY WOULD, YOU KNOW, ACTIVELY IN FULL FORCE THAT TO ANY GREATER DEGREE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR MONEY.
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ANYONE ELSE IN 1181 HAVE ANYTHING? I HAVE ONE THAT I JUST, AS I WAS READING THROUGH, IT JUST CAUGHT ME AND I WAS LIKE, WHY DID I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS 11 81 20? AND MAYBE IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE AREA IT'S IN, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.IS THIS EVERYTHING OTHER THAN A PUD, I'M ASSUMING ANY TYPE OF PUD AND IT GETS INTO BUILDING MATERIALS FOR DWELLINGS AND THEY ALL, I MEAN, AND THIS IS STATING IN ONE STORY, DWELLINGS HAVE TO BE 100% BRICK OR OTHER MASONRY MATERIAL OVER ONE STORY, THE ALL FIRST FLOOR, EXTERIOR WALLS, OVER ONE STORY TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF BRICK OR OTHER APPROVED MASONRY MATERIALS.
AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS NO VINYL SIDING.
WELL, WE GOT LOTS OF HOUSES WITH VINYL SIDING GOING UP AROUND HERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE OVERALL CHAPTER 1181 IS GENERAL PROVISIONS, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO APPLY TO EVERYTHING, NOT COVERED IN A POD OR ANOTHER TYPE OF DISTRICT.
SO AM I TO ASSUME THEN WITH THE POSITION THAT AGAIN, NOW WE'RE SITTING ON THIS, LIKE THERE WITH THE OVERLAY THING, WHICH, WHICH THING, YOU KNOW, GOVERNANCE, I MEAN HERE, WE'RE SAYING WHERE WE DON'T WANT VINYL SIDING OUT THERE AND WE HAD TO HAVE ALL, ALL BRICK OR BRICK OR OTHER MASONRY ON THE FIRST FLOOR LEVELS, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT, NOT HAPPENING.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, UM, REMOVE CHANGE OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS OFFSET IN ANOTHER SECTION THAT I JUST HAVEN'T GOT AROUND YET? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
IT DID MENTION SOME THINGS FROM FEBRUARY 27TH, 2007, ABOUT 50% BRICK, MASONRY OR THE MATERIAL AGAIN.
UM, THAT WAS 11 81, 20 ANYONE IN 1182.
WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE STILL 11 AND 81.
SAME THING AGAIN AND 1180 1.24 UNDER COMMERCIAL BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, DOWN UNDER B DESIGN STANDARDS, BUILDING MATERIAL, ALL EXTERIOR WALLS, INCLUDING PARKING STRUCTURES, GARAGE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SHALL BE 100% MASONRY MATERIALS.
WE'LL JUST LUMP THAT ONE WITH THE PREVIOUS SECTION WORKS FOR ME FOR THE SAME REASONS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING IN 1182.
DO I HEAR 1184? THERE IS NO 1184.
WELL THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S JIM HAD ONE IN 11.
WHY ISN'T THERE AN 1184, IF THERE'S AN 83 AND AN 85.
I PROBABLY STUCK ONE IN THERE.
THEY DON'T LIKE, I THINK THEY SKIPPED NUMBERS IN CASE THEY HAVE A STICK ONE IN BETWEEN.
NEVER EVEN HEARD OF SOME OF THESE TYPES OF TREES THAT WERE LISTED IN HERE.
I LOVE THESE OLD DRAWINGS TOO.
THAT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE JUST DID IT BY HAND.
SO, UH, JIM'S THING WITH 11 85 0 2 B WAS, UM, THE PHRASE CONTINUOUS HARD SERVICE AS IT RELATES TO THE DEFINITION OF HARD SURFACE DRIVEWAY AND CHAPTER 1123.
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HM.SO I THINK HE'S JUST SAYING THE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN, UH, VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE CODE, WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT CONTINUOUS HARD SURFACE AND HARD SURFACE DRIVE-WAY, UM, AND LEAVES AND HARD PAVED SERVICE.
ARE THOSE USED INTERCHANGEABLY OR DO THEY HAVE DISTINCTIONS AMONG THEM? OKAY, GOOD QUESTION.
IF THEY COULD BE, UH, ALL PUT AS IN ONE WAY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR THEM TO BE A DIFFERENT THAT'S SO BE IT.
UM, ANYONE ELSE IN 1185, I HAD NOTED SOMETHING AND FORGOT WHY I DID IT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE 1187 THERE.
JIM HAD 11 87 0 6 FOR IT TO NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES.
HE SAID HE ASSUMED AS THE WORD STRUCTURES IS IN A DECLARED ALL BUILDINGS, IF THAT'S CORRECT.
AND HE'S OKAY WITH THIS SECOND, THAT'S A LOGICAL ASSUMPTION HERE.
YOU WANT TO ASK ANYTHING IN 11 87, 11 89.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? JIM HAD NOTHING? UM, I DID NOT.
I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF GO IN A BIT OF A RANT HERE BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER 11 8903 IS PROHIBITED SIGNS AND SIGNED CHARACTERISTICS.
AND FOR THE LONGEST I'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, 11 89 0 9 SIGNS FOR PROPERTY OFFERED FOR OR RENT.
AND IT MENTIONED THAT SHALL BE ALLOWED ONLY DURING THE TIME PERIOD, BEGINNING THAT THE PARCEL IS FOR SALE OR RENT AN ENDING UPON THE SALE OR RENTAL OF THE PARCEL SUCH SIGNED TO REMOVE WITHIN 14 DAYS AFTER SUCH SALE OR RENTAL.
I ASSUME THAT INTENTION IS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF, FOR SALE OR RENT SIGNS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY HANGING OUT.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF, FOR SALE AND RENT SIGNS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY HANGING OUT THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS.
AND I MEAN, LITERALLY YEARS AND I HATE TO DINE THEM OUT AGAIN BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE THEM.
BUT MY LANDLORD IS VERY GUILTY OF THAT.
THEY'VE GOT A THREE, FOUR BY FOUR POST V SET UP WITH TWO, FOUR BY EIGHT SHEETS OF PLYWOOD SAYING FOR LEASE.
AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS.
UM, THERE'S MULTIPLE SHOPPING AREAS, SHOPPING CENTER AREAS THAT HAVE FOR SALE SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND THERE ARE VERY LARGE SIGNS POSTED UP ON FOUR BY FOURS.
AGAIN, WHEN YOU POST THE SIGN ON FOUR BY FOURS, THAT TELLS ME YOU PLAN ON IT BEING THERE FOR A WHILE.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING MAYBE WE NEED TO SEND TO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR WHAT, BUT THIS IS AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE IT.
THIS IS A CONSTANTLY HAVE AVAILABLE SPACE FOR LEASE THE ENTIRE TIME.
DOES THEY ALWAYS HAVE LIKE AT LEAST ONE? YEAH.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO BE PERMITTED UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY S RENT LEASE OR SELL ROBERT.
IF THEY HAVE LIKE FIVE SAY FIVE TENANTS AND THEY ALWAYS HAPPEN TO, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY GET ONE, THEY LOSE ANOTHER.
SO THEY ALWAYS HAVE ONE AVAILABLE.
I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ALWAYS EXPECT TO HAPPEN TO THEM.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AGAIN, YOU UTILIZING SHARP COMMERCIAL CENTER, YOU'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY A MINIMUM OF 30.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN EMPTY UNIT ALWAYS.
BUT DOES THAT MEAN WHERE DOES THEN THAT MEAN WE'RE COOL WITH BIG, FOR LEASE SIGNS THAT ARE HANGING OUT FOREVER? I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE, IS THAT OKAY OR NOT? YOU KNOW, UM, OUR GRADE, WE, UH, LEASE SPACE IN A SHOPPING CENTER AND IN ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY SIGN AT THE SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE 27 YEARS, WE WERE IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER, THERE WAS ALWAYS A PLYWOOD SIGN PLASTERED IN FRONT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH SPACE, FOR LEASE IN ESSENCE, A SECONDARY SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.
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PROPER APPROACH WOULD BE TO PUT A TIME OF IT ON SUCH A SONG.I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF ARCHAIC WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE ANY PROSPECTIVE TENANT ISN'T REALLY DRIVING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOKING FOR A SIGN.
KIND OF LIKE WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH, WITH HOW SALES, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THESE SIGNS DROPPED ON CORNERS.
NOWADAYS, PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR SIGNS ANYMORE.
THEY FIND OUT WHERE THEY WANT TO GO BEFORE THEY GO.
AND THEY GO BENEFIT OF THAT IS JUST, UH, ALMOST A REFERRAL.
THAT'S IT? I HAD MY REALTOR SIGN IN FRONT OF THE LAOS.
WE SHOULD TRY TO CURTAIL SOME OF THOSE BECAUSE, UM, NOT THAT IT'S RAMPANT, BUT IT IS SORT OF OUT OF HAND WITH A FEW PROPERTY OWNERS HERE, HERE I CAN NAME MULTIPLE.
I COULD PROBABLY NAME HALF A DOZEN OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE THERE'S EITHER AT LEAST ONE OR TWO, FOUR BY EIGHT SHEETS IN FRONT OF A SPACE OR ON A CORNER LOT.
THAT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOREVER.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHERE IT IS ACROSS FROM PARTIES, BUT ANYWAY, UM, AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
THE SIGNS, IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR SIGNS ARE MAINTAINED OR ANYTHING THERE.
THEY JUST THEY'RE THERE UNTIL THEY WROTE APART.
AND THEN HE PUT UP A FRESHMAN, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO SEND OVER TO COUNCIL TO LOOK AT, OR THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD LOOK TO CHANGE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GUIDELINE FOR SOME FOOD PLANNING OR MAYBE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING CON, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO INITIALLY TO PLANNING COMMISSION AS A TEXT AMENDMENT AND THEN TO A COUNCIL.
SO, UM, I GUESS THERE'D BE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, ONE, IF THIS COMMISSION WANTED TO START THE BALL ROLLING, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DRAFTED AS A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW TO CHANGE IT.
AND THEN BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL COULD OFFER THEIR INPUT INTO THE PROPOSAL AND MAKE CHANGES AS THEY SEE FIT IS IT WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY STAFF'S ATTENTION THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT THE COMMISSION THINKS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR CHANGE OR REVISION OR UPDATE.
AND THEN, UM, ALLOWING THEM TO DRAFT THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND, AND TAKE THAT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND ON THE COUNCIL.
SO, UM, I THINK YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET A RESPONSE.
IF YOU START WITH SOME TYPE OF CONCRETE PROPOSAL THAN JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS TEND TO LANGUISH AND NOT GET TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.
IF WE'D HAVE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO JUST AT LEAST PUSH IT FORWARD, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKELY TO GET A LITTLE MORE TRACTION.
SO WOULD YOU, YOU WOULD SAY THE PROPER WAY THEN TO PUSH THIS FORWARD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF TO BRING THIS TO PLANNING? OH, I WOULD THINK HAVE THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION WORK ON SOME LANGUAGE, UM, AND THEN PUT THAT IN WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPOSALS, AND THEN WE CAN DO THAT AND WE COULD DO THAT WITH THE INPUT OF STAFF.
DID DEVELOP THAT THOUGHTS, ANYONE.
I JUST THINK THAT THE, THAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO NOT HAVE THOSE SIGNS ALL THE TIME, BUT THEN YET THEY'RE STILL THERE ALL THE TIME.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.
I STILL THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE SOMEHOW, BUT MAYBE AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY'D HAVE TO CONSTRUCT IT OR PUT UP MAYBE A MORE PERMANENT SIGN OR SOMETHING OF THAT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT ISN'T JUST ONE THAT'S GOING TO FALL APART.
MAYBE EVEN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, BUT LIKE YOU FIND ON A, UM, UH, REAL ESTATE SIGN IN A, IN A YARD, AT A HOUSE WHERE THEY GOT THE TOP THINGS AND THEN THE BOTTOM THINGS, THEY HAVE A NAME FOR THOSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, BUT, BUT MAYBE TO ALLOW ABOVE THEIR REGULAR SIGN A FOR LEASE OR, YOU KNOW, SPACE AVAILABLE, OR WHAT, IF SOMETHING, A SMALLER SIZE MAYBE THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THEM OR TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THOSE ARE CALLED, THEY'RE CALLED RADISH TO THE WRITERS OR ADDED TO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THOSE PLACES HAVE LISTS OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THERE THAT THEY COULD ADD IT TO THAT THE SIGNS AT DISPLAY, ALL THE BUSINESSES PILE ON EXISTING PILE ON SIGN.
THAT WAY IT WOULDN'T BE AS TACKY BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY STARING AT A LIST OF BUSINESSES IN THERE.
AND IF ONE OF THEM SAYS FOR LEASE.
AND, UM, THAT ONE ADDRESS THE ONES WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, A BUILDING WITH DIFFERENT TENANTS, THEY WOULDN'T ADDRESS THE VACANT LOTS THAT HAVE THE SIGN FOREVER.
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MAYBE, SOMEHOW YOU'VE BEEN REDUCED THE SIZE OF THEM IN SOME WAY TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE.THEY JUST, AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ALL WANT TO GO TO FOUR BY FOURS WITH FOUR BY EIGHT SHEETS OF PLYWOOD.
WELL, UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT IT ON THE LIST AND THEN I'LL START WITH HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SCOTT ABOUT IS THIS PRACTICAL, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS AND, UH, JUST GET HIS THOUGHTS ON WHERE HE THINKS THIS WOULD GO OR HOW IT WOULD BEST BE SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, ANYONE ELSE? UH, 1189, ANYTHING IN 1191? UH, JIM HAD A GREAT QUESTION.
WHAT IS A REVERSE VENDING MACHINE? I HAD THAT SAME.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT A VENDING MACHINE IS, YOU PUT MONEY IN AND YOU GET SOME OUT REVERSE, YOU PUT THE PRODUCT IN AND GET MONEY OUT.
SO IT'S USED FOR LIKE BOTTLE COLLECTIONS, CELL PHONES, CELL PHONES.
LIKE AT KROGER THEY HAVE THE CELL PHONE THING.
NOW WE BOTH MIGHT DO A REVERSE VENDING MACHINE IS GOOD.
ANY OTHERS? ANY 1191 DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE I'D HAVE IF I HAD THAT ONE AS WELL.
I AM GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT MR. WAMSLEY HAS, UM, THOUGHTS ON THIS AREA IN THIS SECTION.
UM, I THINK THAT THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE THAT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY WE WANT TO APPROACH IT.
PROBABLY THE SAME GENERAL METHOD, MAYBE THAT WE'VE MENTIONED WITH THE SIGNS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINITELY KIND OF REVIEW HOW WE HANDLE OUR, UM, TRADESMAN AND CONTRACTORS.
UM, IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S VERY HIT AND MISS, BECAUSE I SEE SOME COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE OTHER PEOPLE GET, GET TICKETED FOR IT.
UM, CERTAIN THING, AND I JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO AGAIN, MAKE A GOOD REVIEW OF THIS TO SEE HOW ARE WE HANDLING THESE PARTICULAR BUSINESSES BECAUSE OUR CITY HAS A LOT OF, WE GOT A LOT OF INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE MAN BANDS OR, YOU KNOW, A GUY AND HIS BUDDY OR WHATEVER ELECTRICIANS, PLUMBERS, UM, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT, IT ALSO, I THINK IN MY OPINION, PLAYS INTO, YOU KNOW, WITH THE OFF STREET PARKING STUFF.
WELL, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE ON THAT ONE.
THAT DOESN'T SO MUCH, WELL, WE HAVE THE ISSUES WITH SEMI BOB TALES AS WELL, BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THESE TRADES MEN AND THESE TRUCK DRIVERS, UM, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO FEEL WELCOME IN THE CITY WHERE THEY WORK AND LIVE, BUT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT, OBVIOUSLY IN A MANNER THAT DOESN'T CREATE ISSUES FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THE TIMES ON THAT ONE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO START THE CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF SAYING, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
I JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS.
I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY ENFORCED.
UM, I'M SEEING DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I SEE TRAILERS PARKED ON THE ROAD, NOT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND I MEAN, IT'S CONSTANT, IT'S NOT BEYOND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT ON A HARD SURFACE, CONTINUOUS HARD SURFACE.
I MEAN, I SEE SO MANY ERRORS AND, AND, AND JUST UNEQUAL ENFORCEMENT THAT IT JUST, IT BOTHERS ME AS BOTH A SELF-EMPLOYED PERSON THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRANSITIONING TO WANTING TO BE FULLY SELF-EMPLOYED.
UM, AND I'M LIMITED BY YET WHERE I LIVE AND I THINK I HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT ACCOMMODATES MY TRAILER, BUT THEN IN ORDER FOR ME TO DISPUTE THAT AND SEEK PERMISSION FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT OR THE ORDINANCE, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I GET A CERTAIN DOCUMENT SIGN.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND IN TRYING, I, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH JUST THE LAST DISCUSSION ON SIGNS, I SEE A ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE BECOMING A CITY THAT JUST ISN'T BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU CANNOT INCUBATE.
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IT'S HARD TO GO OUT AND BUY A BEN BRAND NEW TRUCK OR A WORK VAN WITH RECORD HIGH PRICING ON VEHICLES RIGHT NOW.YOU KNOW, I COULD BRING IT TWO OR THREE PEOPLE IN HERE THAT SELL VEHICLES THAT ARE WORK FOR LEASING COMPANIES.
AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE, THE PRICES ARE RIDICULOUS.
DON'T GO BUY ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, IF WE WERE A COMMUNITY THAT ACTUALLY WAS HAD OUR EAR TO THE GROUND AND IT COULD LISTEN TO OUR COMMUNITY AND BE AN INCUBATOR OF GROWTH, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING, ENFORCE IT ALL OVER, JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I SAID, I, I HAVE A PROPERTY THAT I'M REHABBING IN, IN WARD FIVE.
AND I DRIVE BY THE CORNER EVERY DAY AND I SEE A TRAILER.
I PULL OUTSIDE OF MY DRIVEWAY TO GO TO THE PROPERTY.
I SEE A TRAILER PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN YET I GET A COMPLAINT AND I HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
AND IT IRKS ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN I WROTE A CHECK FOR $2,500 SMART, REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAXES JUST RECENTLY, IT JUST BOTHERS ME, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT FEELS THAT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
UM, AND I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE CHANGED.
I THINK YOU'RE LIMITING, UH, OUR TRADES PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF VOCATIONAL SCHOOL THAT THEY WANT TO BUY A TRUCK, BUT THEN THEY NEED TO PROTECT THEIR TOOLS.
SO THEY BUY A TRAILER, YOU KNOW, OKAY, NOW YOU NEED TO POUR A DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD JUST RUN A P AND L ON THAT, YOU WOULD SAY, WOW, HOW HAS ANYBODY DO THAT? THE BANKS AREN'T GONNA LEND FOR THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S CRAZY.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH, SOMETHING A CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BECOME MORE TENTATIVE TO POSSIBLY THE TYPES OF TRADES THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE DO AS A COMMUNITY IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAVE A LACK OF TRADES PEOPLE.
UM, WE GO OUT OF THE AREA, UP NORTH TO GET THEM.
WE GO OVER TO BEAVER CREEK TO GET THEM.
THEY COME FROM DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN DAYTON, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.
SO I DO AGREE WITH YOU THERE, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S WHO YOU MAKE MAD, THEY'LL CALL IN ON YOU.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY MOST OF THOSE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS FOR GOOD OR FOR BAD, OR, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING DEPARTMENT OPERATES AS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
SO IF SOMEONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH YOU OR SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WILL COME UP HERE AND, AND DRIVE THROUGH THERE COUPLE STREETS AROUND THEM AND GIVE US A WHOLE LIST OF THE VIOLATIONS IN THEIR IMMEDIATE AREA.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO GETS ALONG WELL WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE OVERLOOKED.
SO THE ZONING, DEPARTMENT'S NOT GOING OUT AND DRIVING DOWN EVERY STREET, LOOKING FOR A TRAILER VIOLATION, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A PARKING VIOLATION.
UM, THE ONES THAT COME TO THE TOP ARE THE ONES WHERE SOMEONE'S COMPLAINED ABOUT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S APPLIED NOW.
AND THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THE LACK OF UNIFORMITY AND CONSISTENCY IN THE APPLICATION.
AND I THINK IF WE CAN UTILIZE TERMINOLOGY AND OTHER SECTIONS SUCH AS SHOVING, GOOD ORDER, AND WELL-MAINTAINED, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T USE SIMILAR LANGUAGE IN DESCRIBING, YOU KNOW, A, A TRAILER ON A, IN A PERSON'S DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, GOOD ORDER.
WELL-MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHATEVER THOSE QUALIFIERS ARE THAT SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT MAKING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK CRAPPY, YOU KNOW? UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE ELECTRICIANS LIVE AND THE PLUMBERS THAT WAY I CAN GO TELL THEM, HEY, I GOT A PROBLEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR STUFF PARKED OUT THERE.
WELL, AND I KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE TO WHO CALLS WHO, AND WHO'S MAD AT WHO, AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A GUY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT DOESN'T MUCH CARE FOR ME, AND HE'S REPORTED ME FOR BASKETBALL HOOP, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HE'S A BUSINESS OWNER AND HE HAS BUSINESS VEHICLES ON THE STREETS IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.
AND HE'S GOT TRAILERS THAT ARE OUT OF CODE IN HIS SIDE YARD THAT ARE IN THE GRASS AND WHATNOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REPORTING ON THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING, HIS PROPERTY IS IN GOOD SHAPE, AS VEHICLES ARE IN GOOD CONDITION.
AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE PICKY LIKE THAT.
UM, AND NOW I'VE SEEN OTHER PLACES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE GUY THAT'S A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND HE'S GOT THIS RAGGEDY TRAILER THAT'S SITTING IN THAT HE JUST BACKED UP STRAIGHT INTO THIS, HIS SIDE YARD AND IS FULL OF JUNK FROM THE JOB.
AND IT'S JUST CHILLING OUT THERE.
OR IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR FOUR OR FIVE JOBS, AND HE'S JUST BEEN DUMPING INTO IT, YOU KNOW? UM, I THINK YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT HAD A TRUCK AND THEY WOULD PARK IT ON THE STREET, BUT THEY PARKED IT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE WITH A PARKED, MANY OF THEM, AND THEY'RE USING IT BASICALLY AS JUST A STORAGE STORAGE UNIT.
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YEAH, YEAH.SO ON, ON THIS ISSUE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ENOUGH AND IT'S BEEN CONTROVERSIAL ENOUGH OVER TIME THAT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD TACKLE FIRST AND SET POLICY ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE IN A GENERAL SENSE TO SEE THIS DISCUSSION GO.
AND THEN FROM THAT POLICY DECISION, THEN STAFF COULD WORK TO FORMULATE, UH, CHANGES TO THE CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE POLICY DECISION.
BECAUSE I, UNLESS YOU GET A CONSENSUS AMONGST COUNCIL THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THESE TYPES OF CHANGES ARE OR NEED TO BE MADE ARE WARRANTED, THEN I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DIFFICULTY, RIGHT.
THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, UH, JUROR, UM, PREFERENCE IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE CITY, IT IS, IT IS COMPLAINT BASED HIT OR MISS, UH, YOUR NEIGHBORS MAD AT YOU.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET REPORTED FOR YOUR TRAILER.
UH, WHILE THE GUY TWO DOORS DOWN HAS BEEN PARKING IT THERE FOREVER.
SO THE ENFORCEMENT HAS SHOWS IS ONE THING, BUT THE CLARITY OF IT, I CAN TELL YOU, YOU GO THROUGH THE CITY AND ASK, UH, DIFFERENT PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, BUSINESS OWNERS.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS THE STANDARD FOR HUBER HEIGHTS? NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS.
UM, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAD A GUY WHO HAD JUST MOVED INTO A NEW BOND BOOK RENTAL, AND I HAD NEIGHBORS COME TO ME AND ENCOUNTERED HIM, UM, BECAUSE HIS BOX TRUCK WAS BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN OBVIOUS TO HIM.
YOUR, YOUR BOX TRUCK IS BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.
THE KIDS CAN'T RIDE UP AND DOWN THE STREET, BUT IT TOOK ZONING TO GO OUT, UM, TO ADDRESS, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
AND MY SON'S NEIGHBORHOOD OVER BY WALMART, THERE WAS A GUY WITH A PHONE TRUCK THAT IN ORDER TO FIT IT INTO HIS DRIVEWAY, HE ASKED HER, RAISE THE BOOM UP AND PUT IT OVER TOP OF THE STRAW.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'VE GOT THAT GOING ON, WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY GETTING HASSLED FOR THEIR TRAILER, TONGUE, AND NOT BEING COMPLETELY BEHIND THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, OR I CAN SPEAK TO, THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL BRAND NEW TRAILER THAT'S SITTING IN A DRIVEWAY.
I MEAN, YOU CAN PARK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT INTERRUPTING ANYTHING.
SO JUST, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, I ACTUALLY DESIGNED THIS TRAILER TO PARK AT MY GARAGE BECAUSE OF THIS ORDINANCE, BEFORE I EVEN GOT THE COMPLAINT, JUST BECAUSE I KNEW THAT BETWEEN BUYING ONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE HUBRIS HAD THE MOST PROPERTY VIOLATIONS AUDIT ACCORDING TO THE CODE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BECAUSE HE SAID, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU LIVE, UM, IN THE HOUSE AND WHEN THE CONDITION IT WAS, AND BEING ON THE MARKET FOR 558 DAYS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF, THAT'S WILLING TO TAKE ON SUCH A LARGE PROJECT.
IT REALLY JUST DETERS ME FROM EVEN WANTING TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY TYPE OF RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING HOUSING IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT SUPPORTED.
SO THE HOUSING INVENTORY WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY.
YOU DON'T CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND WE'RE LET YET WE COME FROM A HOUSING COMMUNITY THAT GUARANTEE YOU.
AND IF WE LOOK BACK AT HISTORY, YOU HAD CARPENTERS ON EVERY STREET.
WHEN IT FIRST STARTED GETTING BUILT BRICK LAYERS, YOU HAD CONCRETE PEOPLE, YOU HAD FRAMERS, AND WE FORGOT THAT HERITAGE AND THAT HISTORY.
AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO CONFORM WITH SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY BROUGHT IN FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T AN ORIGINATION OF OUR OWN COMMUNITY THAT GREW US.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN IS IT, WHEN IS IT TIME TO JUST LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, HEY, HOW DID WE GET HERE? HOW DID WE GROW SO QUICK? WHY ARE WE LIMITING THINGS? AND WITH THAT, I WOULD AGREE WITH TONY THAT MAYBE IT IS A BROAD ENOUGH TOPIC THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE UP BEFORE COUNCIL.
AND WE REVISIT THAT WHOLE SECTION.
NOT THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF, OKAY.
LET'S HAVE, YOU KNOW, CEMENT TRUCKS PARKING IN OUR DRIVEWAY.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARITY UNIFORMITY TO WHERE, UM, WE'RE ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THE SELF-EMPLOYED BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING THEIR WORK PICKUP TRUCK HOME, AND GETTING BEAT UP FOR IT FOR PARKING DOWN YOUR DRIVEWAY.
YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I'M MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
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THAT MIGHT HAVE KAYAKS.WE LIVE WITHIN TWO ACCESS POINTS, MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK.
WE HAVE ONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ONE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAUL YOUR MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILER, WHICH THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, TWO SLEEPS, ONE TO FOUR PEOPLE, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS THAT YOU PUT YOUR MOUNTAIN BIKES.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UNLESS YOU POUR CONCRETE PAD NEXT TO THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE.
AND WE ALREADY KNOW HOW OUR LOTS AND HOW WAS PLOTTED OUT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM IN THE OLDER WARDS OF THE CITY, UM, OR THE OLDER AREAS.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, WE CAN THINK WE'RE MORE INNOVATIVE THAN THAT.
I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, YOU JUST GO TO A WORD AND THEN LOOK AT THE BEHAVIOR OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND DETERMINE THAT I THINK WHAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE REVAMPING THEIR SYSTEM TO PROMOTE SKILLED TRADES NOW.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET ON BOARD WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO WHEN DON, I MEAN, HOW WOULD WE GO THROUGH THAT TO PUSH IT BACK TO COUNCIL OR TELL THE COUNCIL, KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WE THINK THAT YOU NEED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO, UM, UH, TALK WITH THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, ADDING IT TO AN AGENDA FOR A WORK SESSION AND, UH, GOT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP PROPEL THAT.
AND IN ADDITION TO MYSELF, BUT, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY COULD BE A HIGHLIGHT OF WHEN WE WRITE THE FINAL REPORT FOR THIS COMMISSION TO, UM, IS AN AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR FUTURE ACTION, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR CHANGES IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE.
UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER WHEN 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS, UH, WE WROTE A VERY DETAILED REPORT THAT HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY BOTH IN THAT REPORT AND THE PRESENTATION OF THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THIS A MAJOR POINT OF, UH, OF INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL.
UM, WHAT WAS THAT? THAT WAS, UH, 1193.
I MEAN, JIM HAD THIS 11 93 0 2 IN HERE THAT HE RECOMMENDED A WORDING CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT NOW, OR IF THAT SHOULD JUST WAIT AS PART OF THE LAWYER PROCESS.
YEAH, THE WHOLE THING, I WOULD THINK THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME NEW LANGUAGE COMPLETELY ANYWAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? ON 1193? ALL RIGHT.
MOVING ON TO HE, 1194 MOBILE FOOD VEHICLES.
I KIND OF PICKED THIS ONE AND THEN I WENT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KINDA DID THIS NOT TOO LONG AGO.
JIM DID, UH, DRAW ATTENTION TO AN INTERESTING POINT IN 11 94 0 9.
UH, PARAGRAPH A, UM, IT SAYS THE PERMIT SHOW, UH, EXPIRE AT 1159 ON THE LAST DAY OF FEBRUARY FOLLOWING THE DATE OF ISSUE.
SO HIS POINT IS WHAT, IF YOU GET IT ON FEBRUARY 15TH, THEN BY HOW THAT'S WORDED, THEN YOU WOULD EXPIRE SEVERAL WEEKS LATER.
AND HE SAID HE COULDN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT WAS WHAT THE INTENTION WAS IN.
SO EITHER THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED OR, YOU KNOW, THE PERMIT'S GOOD FOR A YEAR FROM THE DATE OF APPLICATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE FRAMED FROM THE DATE OF APPLICATION.
IS THIS HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS RIGHT NOW? IF THEY GET IT ON THE 15TH OF FEBRUARY, IT'LL BE GONE IN TWO WEEKS.
HOW WE DO IT NOW? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT APPEARS TO READ, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE DO HAVE A, UM, LARGE FOOD TRUCK, UH, FOLLOWING IN THIS AREA AND THEY'RE PRETTY ACTIVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
ARE THEY, COULD IT BE LIKE, UH, LIKE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE OVER, IF YOU GET IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE IT JUST GOES ON AND THROUGH THE NEXT YEAR, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
THE ONLY THING WITH THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT CONTINUES INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
IS IT FEBRUARY 1ST? IS IT JANUARY 1ST? YOU KNOW? CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
IF YOU STARTED IN JANUARY 1ST, YOU THEN YOU ONLY HAVE IT FOR TWO MONTHS AND OKAY.
OR DECEMBER 1ST OR YOU ONLY HAVE FOR THREE MONTHS.
SO IT SEEMS MORE LOGICAL TO ME THAT YOU WOULD JUST SAY IT'S GOOD FOR A YEAR FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE OR SOMETHING.
I WONDER IF THEY DID IT THAT WAY BECAUSE FOOD TRUCKS AREN'T NECESSARILY A WINTER PHENOMENON.
THEY'RE SEASONAL IN MOST CASES.
MOST CASES, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFFHAND THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, PROMINENTLY AND MAYBE THAT THEY WANT A CERTAIN SEASON
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TO, THEY DON'T WANT, THEY DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF, THEY WANT, I MEAN, IS THERE SOME KIND OF CONTROL OVER THE NUMBER OF THESE THAT THEY'RE PERMITTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO LIMIT HOW MANY OKAY.THE MAIN GOAL AND HAVING THE PERMIT IS THAT THEY HAVE THE HEALTH INSPECTION, THEY HAVE THE FIRE INSPECTION AND THEY MEET THE MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SAFELY OPERATING A FOOD TRUCK AND THE COMMUNITY MORE AWARE WHO IS, OR MAYBE THEY WANT TO GET ALL OF THE HEALTH INSPECTIONS DONE IN A CERTAIN SEASON OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN, SO THEY HAVEN'T EXPIRED FEBRUARY WHEN THE TRUCKS AREN'T GOING TO BE OUT.
ANYWAY, THEY GET THE, ALL THE INSPECTIONS DONE IN FEBRUARY, MARCH.
IT COULD BE ON ANY PARTICULAR DATE FOR A REASON THAT JUST, IT MAKES IT EASIER ADMINISTRATIVELY TO ISSUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT EVEN UNDER THAT ARGUMENT, IT STILL DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF SOMEBODY WHO JUST APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TWICE BECAUSE THERE'S A FEE ATTACHED TO IT.
MAYBE THAT COULD BE EXTENDED TO LIKE A, THAT THERE COULD, THAT IT COULD BE SPELLED OUT AS SOME KIND OF PERMITTING SEASON OR PERMITTING PERIOD.
I BET YOU, THAT WAS FACTOR IN HIM.
AND AGAIN, IN FEBRUARY 15TH, I DON'T THINK YOUR AVERAGE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS LOOKING TO GET HIS TRUCK ON THE ROAD.
PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DO THAT IF THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE TIME AND THEY DON'T PLAN ON WORKING FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, THAT MAY BE THEIR TIME TO DO IT IN THE OFF SEASON.
SO, UH, WE'LL JUST PUT ON THE LIST FOR GETTING CLARIFICATION AND SEEING IF IT NEEDS SOME REWORKING OF THE WORD WORDING.
I DON'T, I, THERE MIGHT BE A REASON THAT IT'S THIS WAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY APPLY IT IN REALITY.
ANYTHING ELSE? IN 1194? I HAVE A 95.
WE HAVE A PROHIBITION IN HUBER HEIGHTS STRAIGHT UP 11 97, 11 98.
ANY INPUT? WELL, NONE OF THIS IS, UM, THE CELL PHONE TOWERS AND STUFF.
UM, IT'S BASED ON A MODEL TEMPLATE THAT'S BEEN USED STATEWIDE BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF IT.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GET INTO.
UM, YEAH, I WOULDN'T, THINGS MIGHT GROW DETAILING CHANGES.
UM, AND JIM HAD ONE AT 11 99, 11 99 0 7.
HE'S ASKING ABOUT, HAVE THESE STUDIES REFERENCED IN THAT BEEN UPDATED? I HAVE TO BE HONEST.
I DID NOT READ THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IN MY DAY JOB, I DEAL TOO MUCH WITH THIS STUFF AND I SEE HE'S COMING UP AND I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS TWICE.
WELL, I THINK AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS COMES FROM FEMA AND THEN THERE'S THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SOURCE WATER PROTECTION OR WHATEVER THAT ENTITY IS THAT, UH, DEALS WITH A LOT OF THAT REGIONALLY.
SO, UM, WE CAN ASK JIM'S QUESTION, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, WE, WE D WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO BE ABLE TO GET A FLOOD PLAIN ESTABLISHED BY OUTSIDE ENTITIES.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO CHANGE THIS.
UM, THEY ALL HAVE THEIR TIME LIMITS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
SO SOMEONE HERE MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO JIM'S QUESTION.
I THINK THAT ENDS IT 11 DOESN'T.
UM, ANYTHING GOTTEN IN THROUGH MACHINE IS SMALL.
LET'S JUST, UH, LET'S JUST HOLD THAT TOGETHER.
WELL, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND START
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1301.ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING IN OH ONE
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AGAIN, THESE LOOK LIKE THINGS THAT ARE ALL REGULATED BY STATE ANYWAY.OH, FIVE STATE, UH, OH NINE AGAIN, HOUSING CODE REGULATING THEM.
UM, AND 13 JIM HAD 13, 13 0 2.
WHICH WAS A SIMILAR ISSUE TO RIGHT.
ONE WE DISCUSSED IN ON PREVIOUS SECTION.
HE CAN'T JUST BE ANYONE HE DOES LIKE HIS WIFE OR, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO, UH, I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHATEVER WE DID IN THAT PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WITH THAT, THAT WE, WE STAY CONSISTENT WITH IT.
UM, MANY, A 13, 13 0 3, NOTHING HERE REQUIRES BOARD MEMBERS TO BE RESIDENTS, BUT THAT IS IN OUR CHARTER THOUGH.
SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED OR HANG, HONESTLY, DON'T THINK IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT, UH, AND ALL THE OTHER BOARD AND COMMISSIONS.
SO THE CHARTER WOULD BE THE OVERARCHING DOCUMENT, UM, MEMBERSHIP ON THE, UH, ANY OF THE CITY BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS.
THEY HAVE TO BE AN, A TOUR OF THE CITY.
UH, I MEAN, IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, GO BACK AT ALL, ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE CODE.
I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY SEVEN, UH, SHALL CONSIST OF SEVEN MEMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE ELECTORS OF THE CITY APPOINTED BY COUNCIL? I MEAN, WE COULD GO TO THAT EXTRA STEP IF WE WANT IT TO YOU FEEL IT NECESSARY, OR THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT IS REQUIRED IN CHARTER THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
BUT, UM, IF YOU WANT ME TO JUST LOOK BACK AND SEE, MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT BETWEEN ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEE, WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THIS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
BUT I, TO MY RECOLLECTION, THE, UH, QUALIFICATIONS FOR A MEMBER ARE NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR EACH BOARD OR COMMISSION OKAY.
SO, AND JIM SAYS IN HIS, IN LAST, THAT REQUIREMENT APPEARS ELSEWHERE.
IT SHOULD BE ADDED TO THIS ORDINANCE.
SO IT DOES APPEAR ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS IN THE CHARTER.
I KNEW IT WAS IN THE CHARTER SPECIFICALLY.
SO YOU THINK, SO I SAY LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? AND 13, 13, 13, UH, JIM HAS 13, 13 0 5.
IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND WE'RE AT 11 WITH ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES AND HOW TO DEFINE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM.
SO THAT JUST SHOULD BE CROSS REFERENCE BACK TO OFFENSE IS ILLEGAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE UNDER INSURANCE TERMINOLOGY, BUT IT'S NOT AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.
WHAT ABOUT GREENHOUSES? OR WHAT ABOUT LIKE A GREENHOUSE? IF I WANTED TO PUT A GREENHOUSE UP IN THE OFF SEASON? I MEAN, I THINK, UH, I THINK ADAM, LACEY, WHO I THINK LIVES IN THE CITY, HE HAS A TUNNEL AND HE'S CREATED A GREENHOUSE OUT OF IT.
CAUSE I'VE CONSULTED WITH HIM AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE SAME THING.
CAUSE YOU CAN GROW VEGETABLES IN OHIO, IN THE COLD SEASONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BECOMING MORE COMMON WITH WHAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH IN 2020.
UM, I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR RESIDENTS AS THESE DAYS.
WE'RE SEEING HUGE GROWTH IN REAL ESTATE, UM, FOR LARGER HOMES.
UM, JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT WE JUST EXPERIENCED AS WELL AS LARGER LOTS AND MORE PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING INSTEAD OF GOING OUT THERE AND ENJOYING, UH, THEIR OWN PROPERTY NOW,
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BOTH RECREATIONALLY GARDENING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.SO IS IT AS OBSERVATIONS AND THINGS I'M WATCHING AND DEMAND.
I'M SEEING FROM PEOPLE WANTING BIGGER HOMES AND OUT OF MORE POPULATED AREAS INTO SOME SUBURBS SUCH AS OURS, UM, LARGER LOT.
SO DID YOU WANT CHICKENS? DID YOU WANT A LONG TIME WITH THAT OTHER ONE? AND WE'LL JUST CROSS REFERENCE IT BACK TO THEM, THE SAME DISCUSSION AND PART 11 AND, AND TRY TO FIND, UH, SOME LANGUAGE OR SOLUTION THAT FITS BOTH AREAS APPROPRIATELY AND DEFINING THAT BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE IS, IS, IS THE BUSINESS CODE.
SO I AGREED OR THE BUILDING CODE.
JIMMY'S GOT ONE IN 13, 13 0 6 SINCE MAINTENANCE CODE ONLY DEALS WITH EXTERIORS OF BUILDINGS.
THAT ORDINANCE SHOULD LIMIT WHAT THE CITY CAN DO BY STATING THE CITY MAY ENTER UPON SUCH PROPERTY AS IT CURRENTLY SAY, CITY INTEREST, SUCH PROPERTY.
THAT COULD BE ACTUALLY THAT, THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE DIDN'T, WE PULL BACK ON AN INSPECTION THING, THAT'S JUST BY REQUEST, ISN'T IT.
THEY CAN, UNLESS THEY'RE VOLUNTARILY REQUESTED.
I MEAN, IS THAT ALICE CAME OUT OF A SUPREME COURT DECISION IN OHIO.
SO THIS IS MAINTENANCE DEALING WITH MAINTENANCE CODE.
WOULD THIS, DOES THIS FALL UNDER THAT SAME TYPE OF AN ISSUE? WELL, I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OF ENTRY TO THE PROPERTY VERSUS MAYBE COMING INSIDE THE HOUSE.
AND MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S INTENDED IS ENTERING SUCH PROPERTY.
DOESN'T MEAN COMING INSIDE THE HOUSE, I THINK IS WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
AND THEN HE HAD ANOTHER CHANGE ON SAYS FIRST THEN SHOULD HAVE THE WORD PROVIDED.
THAT WAS SECTION 13, 13 0 6, BUT OKAY.
WHERE, WHERE WAS HE AT ON THAT? WELL, HE'S GOT TO BE RIGHT IN THAT GENERAL AREA.
SOUNDS LIKE MORE OF A GRAMMATICAL THING.
HE HAD COMMENTS, THERE ARE SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE THAT, UH, THEY WERE INCONSISTENT AS TO WHO IS TO RECEIVE WHAT NOTICES AND WHO'S ENTITLED TO DO WHAT WELL, YOU CERTAINLY KNOW IT.
HIS DAY JOB IS BY OTHER QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL JUST HAVE JERRY LOOK AT THIS ONE AGAIN AS WELL, TOO.
WELL WE'LL LAWYER UP LAWYER UP.
AND THEN, UH, I'VE GOT 13, 13 0 8.
AND THEN HE HAD ANOTHER THING ON THE END OF IT.
I HAD NOTHING ELSE TO THE END, EITHER.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN 13? TONY, YOU LIKED THE SOUND OF THAT.
NON-RESPONSE SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ALL CAUGHT UP FOR THE NIGHT.
IS THAT RIGHT? TONY? THAT BRINGS US BACK ON TRACK.
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MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, I THINK, UH, WHICH IS JUST OUR GENERAL STUFF.COULD I BRING UP, UH, THAT FIVE 11.02? UH, I MEANT TO BRING THAT OUT.
UM, FRIENDS, IF YOU'LL TURN YOUR BOOKS TO FIVE 11.02 CURFEW, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A SUBJECT OF GREAT DEBATE ON A, UH, A SOCIAL MEDIA POST.
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SO IF YOU READ, UH, 5 11 0 2 A THE FINAL SUNS THAT SAYS, UH, WASH OF THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH, BUT IT SAYS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 PM OF ANY SUNDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, OR THURSDAY AND 6:00 AM OF THE FOLLOWING DAY OR BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 12:01 AM.IS ANYBODY ELSE HAVING ANY DIFFICULTY READING? UM, THIS WAS, UH, A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION OVER WHERE TO TRY TO GO.
I THINK THE FEEL IS DURING THE WEEK WE WANT A MINUTE 11 AND ON THE WEEKEND THEY CAN STAY WITH HIM AT NIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY READING THAT WAY SO MUCH.
BECAUSE THE WAY I TOOK IT, THAT'S HOW LONG FRIDAY WE CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, MAN.
IT'S WILD WEST ON FRIDAY AWAY.
CAUSE IT'S 1201 ON SATURDAYS WHERE FRIDAY IS
SO, UM, I, AND I WANT TO BRING US UP, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT OR CLARIFY IT OR, BUT IT WAS JUST KIND OF, UH, UH, UH, HUMOROUS POSTS.
BUT YEAH, WE, WE DIDN'T CATCH THAT ONE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT SECTION.
SO, UH, WELL, LET'S RUN IT BACK AND GOT ON THE LIST.
HAVE A GOOD ONE TO JUST CLEAN UP, BUT YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S REPEATED IN BE VERBATIM.
UH, SAME, SAME LANGUAGE, SO, ALL RIGHT.
SO FOR OUR GENERAL ISSUES, UM, NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 18TH.
UM, WE WILL BE PART 15, WHICH IS THE FIRE PREVENTION CODE.
I WILL TELL YOU LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF THE CODE, UH, THIS IS ONE THAT IS LARGELY SET BY THE STATE, UM, THAT PARENTS, A LOT OF THE STATE FIRE PREVENTION REGULATIONS.
UM, AND, AND WE JUST ADOPT THOSE IN HOME LARGELY.
UM, SO I'LL PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, I'LL GET SOME INPUT FROM THE FIRE CHIEF AS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE AN IMPACT IF WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE, UM, AND PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL BE FINISHED WITH THE REVIEW OF THE ACTUAL CODE ITSELF.
UM, THEN LOOKING AHEAD, UM, WE'VE SCHEDULED SEPTEMBER 15TH MEETING, UM, TO REVIEW JUST IN GENERAL.
AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS JUST KIND OF A PROCESS THAT JIM WANTED TO GO THROUGH AND THAT WE DID BEFORE, WHICH IS WE KEEP A LOG OF EVERY RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY THAT BY TITLE AND WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED.
AND WE DO THAT THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
UH, LAST TIME AROUND, WE JUST KIND OF DID A GENERAL REVIEW OF THOSE TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE FOUND WEIRD OR MAYBE WAS ON THE BOOKS LIKE THAT DIDN'T APPLY ANYMORE, THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO REPEAL, UM, THAT SORT OF LOOK.
SO, UM, I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GUYS THOSE IN A FILE THAT WILL BE SEARCHABLE.
SO YOU CAN PUT IN SOME KEYWORDS TO SEARCH THOSE LOGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE ALL IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, BUT THAT'LL BE LIKE THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT PART AND OUR FINAL MEETING WOULD BE OCTOBER 20TH, UM, WHERE WE WOULD, UH, LOOK AT DEFINING IN FINALIZING A FINAL REPORT FROM THIS COMMISSION.
UM, USUALLY THE CHAIR WOULD TAKE THE LEAD IN DRAFTING WITH PROBABLY MY ASSISTANCE.
UH, A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE DONE TO SUMMARIZE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT WE'VE DONE ON THESE WORKSHEETS, BUT THEN THERE MIGHT BE SOME GENERAL THEMES OR, OR, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE FOR COUNCIL, UM, IS AN OUTCOME OF THIS REPORT ALSO.
SO I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BEST PRACTICE STANDARD OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S, UH, MORE INVOLVEMENT OF STAFF AND DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS OR WHATEVER THE COMMISSION CAN KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS PART OF THAT REPORT.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE WOULD DO, UM, ONCE THAT REPORT'S COMPLETED IS, UH, SCHEDULE A, UH, PRESENTATION BEFORE COUNCIL WHERE THE COMMISSION WOULD COME AND PRESENT THE REPORT FORMALLY TO COUNCIL AND KIND OF FOR COUNCIL AND THE PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED AND KIND OF TIE IT UP WITH A NICE BOW.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, UH, SEE YOU IN 10 YEARS.
YEAH, YOU GUYS WILL BE, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT THE, SAVE
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THE DATE NOTICE FOR THE, UH, UH, VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION EVENT.UH, THAT'LL BE COMING UP AT THE BARN ON SEPTEMBER 8TH AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE FUN THIS YEAR THAN WE HAVE DONE IN SOME PREVIOUS YEARS.
AND, UH, MAYBE DO IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, BUT WE GOT SOME FUN THINGS PLANNED, SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ALL BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS EVENING? SO SEPTEMBER 16 OR AUGUST, AUGUST 18, 18, AUGUST 18TH, WE'LL BE REVIEWING SECTION 15, CORRECT? CORRECT.
OTHERWISE 8 21, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.