Jul 20, 2021 Council Work Session

MA'AM OH, SCOTT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE MESSAGE I SENT YOU JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

UM, DO WE HAVE THE CONTRACT, UM, LED FOR THE, UH, SIDEWALK EXTENSION FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE OAKS OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE JANG REALTY BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY DO NOT HAVE THAT CONTRACT LET'S WE WERE WANTING TO WORK IN COORDINATION WITH THAT OTHER PROJECT.

UM, SO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE ADAMS ROAD WATER SERVICE CONNECTION AT 91 40 ADAM DRIP.

APPRECIATE IT, SCOTT, ANY WORD ON THE BELL FOUNTAIN BRIDGE IN TERMS OF, OR I'M SORRY, THE CHAMBERS NERVE BRIDGE, WHEN THAT MAY BE DONE ON TO ROUTE FOR, UM, MR. BURGER MAN, THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WAS END OF SEPTEMBER, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY

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CHANGES TO THAT YET.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS

[ Adams Road Water Service Connection - 9140 Adams Road]

YEAH, THIS IS MINE.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

UM, WHAT DOES THIS FOR? I BROUGHT THIS TWO WEEKS AGO TO THE WORK SESSION.

IT'S FOR 91 40 ADAMS ROAD.

IT'S A PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ADAMS, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE CITY AND IN GREEN COUNTY, UH, WE DO HAVE A WATER MAIN THAT RUNS DOWN THE DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THIS GENTLEMAN HAS ASKED TO CONNECT TO THE WATER TO MAKE IT HAVE A WATER SERVICE TO HIS HOUSE.

UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

WE NORMALLY WOULD REQUIRE AN EXAGGERATION, BUT THIS ISN'T A WATER DISTRICT THAT HAS A LOT OF PROPERTIES DOWN THERE THAT DO NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN A CITY THAT ALREADY HAVE WATER.

AND IT CREATED A PROBLEM YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A PROPERTY IN GREEN COUNTY AND WE ENDED UP TAKING THEM OUT OF THE CITY BECAUSE IT CREATED TOO MUCH WORK FOR THE PAPERWORK AND FINANCIAL REASONS, I GUESS, FOR THE COUNTY.

SO, UM, I THINK AT THE LAST SESSION YOU DID DECIDE THAT YOU WERE OKAY WITH US MAKING THE CONNECTION AND THIS NOW IS JUST THE LEGISLATION TO DO THAT.

ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE TOUGHER BOND ISSUANCE FOR THE LANDING.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS

[ TEFRA Bond Issuance - The Landings of Huber Heights]

AND HE WRITES, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

SO THAT, UH, COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE LANDINGS AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, BELL FOUNTAIN AND FITCHBURG.

THAT FACILITY IS BEING SOLD, UH, AND THAT FACILITY WILL BE UPGRADED AND THE CARE, THE LEVEL OF CARE THERE, UM, INCREASED, UH, IN ORDER FOR THAT TRANSACTION TO OCCUR, UH, THERE WILL BE, UH, THERE IS A REQUEST TO ISSUANCE OF TEPHRA BONDS.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THE CITY WILL BE ACTING AS A PASS THROUGH AGENCY AND AUTHOR EFFECTIVELY AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THESE BONDS, UM, ON BEHALF OF THIS ORGANIZATION.

SO WE WILL HAVE NO, UM, OBLIGATION OR WILL HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY OR AUTHORITY RELATIVE TO THESE BONDS.

UH, BUT THIS IS A PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENT, ACCORDING TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE.

UH, SO IN WORKING WITH DENSMORE SHUL AND, UH, WHO IS REPRESENTING THE PURCHASER AS WELL AS CHRIS, BRONSMAN OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABIDING BY ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE CODES.

UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL ENTERTAIN, UH, AN ORDINANCE ON THE 26TH, UM, AS AN EMERGENCY MEASURE SO THAT, UH, THIS TRANSACTION CAN PROCEED AND THE LANDING SALE CAN ADVANCE AND THOSE FACILITY UPGRADES CAN BEGIN.

UM, AS A NOTE, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT AND ACCORDING TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE, UH, THE, UH, THE CITY CAN HOLD A TELEPHONIC HEARING, WHICH HAS BEEN THE, UH, THE METHOD CHOSEN BY, UH, BOTH SPECIAL COUNSEL, CHRIS BRONSMAN AND THE PURCHASER'S COUNSEL.

SO WHILE TRADITIONALLY COUNSEL WOULD NORMALLY SEE A PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS ROOM ON THAT MATTERED, THAT MA UH, THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL ACTUALLY BE HELD IN ADVANCED BY LEGAL COUNSEL FOR BOTH PARTIES.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT, THAT REQUIREMENT WILL BE MET PRIOR TO THE 26TH.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THAT.

SO THAT BEING SAID, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE LANDINGS, AS WELL AS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, CHRIS FRANDSEN SPECIAL COUNSEL, WE WOULD ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL ADVANCE THIS MATTER TO, UH, MONDAY'S AGENDA, UH, AS AN EMERGENCY ITEMS. OKAY, THANKS.

FINE.

UM, BRIAN, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, OR COULD YOU FIND OUT BEFORE WE VOTE, UH, WITH THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, UH, ARE THEY TAKING, UM, IS THIS STRICTLY A PAY FOR, UM, FACILITY OR ARE THEY TAKING, UH, INSURANCE, MEDICARE, MEDICAID? IT MAY BE, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT MAN, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RYAN? YES.

BRIAN, REAL QUICK.

UH, YOU STATED THAT TELEPHONIC, UM, HEARING WILL BE CONDUCTED, WILL THAT BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO MONDAY? I ASSUME THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. FRANZEN.

WHICH IS A 20, 20 CITY FINANCIAL INFORMATION.

AND WHO GETS NOTIFIED OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING? UM, THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME, UM, AS WHAT WOULD BE POSTED FOR THIS PARTICULAR BODY.

IT'S JUST WHEN, UH, WHEN THAT MATTER IS HELD AND HOW PEOPLE CAN, CAN ACCESS THAT, THAT INFORMATION.

BUT I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL IS BRIEFED ON THAT MATTER.

THERE WILL BE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM DENISE MARSHALL SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PURCHASER AND FACILITATION OF THE BONDS.

SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND OBJECTIONS TO MOVING TO MONDAY? OKAY.

AND NEXT

[ 2020 City Financial Information]

UP IS ITEM 3D,

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MR. BELL.

I'LL JUST START THAT STOP THERE.

THIS CAME UP FROM A, A QUESTION FROM, UH, COUNCILMAN LIONS.

UH, MR. BELL DID, UH, PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AND AN EMAIL OUT TO ALL OF COUNCIL.

UM, AND THEN, UH, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT THIS BE PUT ON THE AGENDA AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT EMAIL.

OKAY, THANKS.

UM, MR. LYONS, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE MR. LOGAN STARTED? UM, JUST, UH, COMMENTS, THE QUESTION I ASKED, UH, UH, JIM BELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, AND I'M ASSUMING, UH, THIS INFORMATION CAME FROM YOU AND WAS SENT THROUGH SCOTT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, UH, IT'S MORE INFORMATION THAN I REQUESTED, WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL, BUT, UH, I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU BOTH HAVE, UH, SENT ME AND AS WELL AS ONTO COUNCIL, UH, WITH THIS, UM, THE QUESTION ORIGINALLY WAS, AS YOU TO KNOW, JUST FOR EVERYONE ELSE, UM, WHAT WAS THE CITY'S FINANCIAL SITUATION? MORE SPECIFICALLY? THE REVENUE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT COMING IN FROM LAST YEAR, UH, DUE TO THE COVID CRISIS.

AND, UH, IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE THIS INFORMATION, UM, AND IT'S GREAT INFORMATION BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY MADE MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED.

UM, SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.

UM, BUT, UH, IN MAKING DECISIONS WE HAVE A BUDGET COMING UP.

I'M SURE THIS IS JULY.

SO YOU PROBABLY ALREADY STARTED WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AT THIS YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S AUGUST.

UH, YOU'RE TREMENDOUS EMPLOYEE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

SO IT'S USUALLY JULY, AUGUST TIMEFRAME, AND THEN, UH, OUR ANNUAL CAFFER SHOULD BE COMING OUT HERE SHORTLY, UM, AS FAR AS, AND THAT'S SEPARATE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, OUR CITY'S FINANCIAL POSITION IS REALLY GOOD COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

AND, UM, I JUST WANTED THAT INFORMATION AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

I KNOW JIM YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT, AWARD-WINNING, UH, DEPARTMENT FOR FINANCE AND THE STATE OF OHIO, THE STATE AUDITOR'S WARD WITH DISTINCTION.

UM, THAT'S REG UH, REGULAR MAYOR.

UM, WHAT NINE OUT OF 10? THE LAST 10 YEARS? YEAH, 10 OUT OF THE LAST 11.

SO IT'S NICE THAT I FORGET AND I TO KEEP COUNT IT.

IT'S THAT GOOD APPRECIATE.

UM, AND SCOTT, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU, UH, ALL OF THESE YEARS.

UM, YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.

UM, I JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT YOU OTHER THAN I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD, UH, RICAN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER BEING OUR FULL-TIME CITY MANAGER WHEN THAT COMES OUT, BUT WE STILL HAVE A PROCESS, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, THANKS.

I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

SO MR. BELL, UM, I THINK, UH, MR. LYONS HAS GIVEN US A REALLY GOOD PREVIEW, BUT IF YOU WOULD GO INTO KIND OF SOME DETAIL ON, ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GATHERED, UH, CERTAINLY IT'S IN THE PACKET OF INFORMATION, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE WATCHING.

SO WE'D LOVE FOR THEM TO HEAR, UH, KIND OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION OF THE CITY AND HOW WE'VE PULLED THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND KIND OF WHAT OUR FUTURE LOOKS LIKE HERE.

SO IT WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

LAST YEAR, WE DID GET CARES, ACT MONIES, UM, UH, THE CARES ACT, I THINK, UM, MANY PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, UH, BROUGHT IN ABOUT $2.3 MILLION OF CITY REVENUE.

UM, WELL, I I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH, UH, ONE THING YOU MENTIONED WAS, UM, OUR, UH, UH, WE NEED TO CALL IT THE COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT.

NOW THERE'S SOME PURPOSES BEHIND THAT, THAT YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE THE CAFR, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY IT THAT WAY.

SO, UM, THAT'S A LONG STORY I WON'T GET INTO HERE, BUT, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT THE AUDIT FOR THE 2020 INFORMATION THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT FINISHED UP LAST WEEK, AND IT WAS A CLEAN AUDIT.

UH, I CAN NOT RELEASE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL THE OTTER STATE, UM, PUTS THEIR BLESSING ON IT.

AND, UH, IT'S AN OFFICIAL PROCESS.

SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE ANOTHER FOUR TO EIGHT WEEKS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU PUBLICLY THAT IT WAS A CLEAN AUDIT AND, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT, UM, UH, WOULD BE IT'S AVAILABLE IN MY OFFICE.

IF YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT, UH, I CAN SEND IT ELECTRONICALLY, BUT IT'S, UH, THE OFFICIAL RELEASE SHOULD BE AFTER THE AUDITORS STATE, UH, GIVES THE, OKAY.

AND, UH, AND THEN IT WILL APPEAR ON THE OTTER STATE'S WEBSITE.

UH, AS I REPORTED IN HERE, UH, IT DID TAKE A WHILE TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION.

AND SO IT WAS NOT, UH, IT WAS AN EASY THING TO COME BY, UM, AND LOOKING AT THE, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UM, UH, HAD SOME PROJECTIONS, UH, BRIAN AND I GOT TOGETHER LAST YEAR AND, UH, MADE SOME PROJECTIONS AS TO WHAT WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE THE FINANCES LOOKING LIKE AT THE END OF 2020 DUE TO DUE TO THE COVID, UH, UM, RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAD.

AND, UH, IT DID NOT TURN OUT THAT WAY AT ALL.

THE CASH POSITION, UH, OF THE CITY, UH, BEGAN THE AT, UH, FOR ALL FUNDS OF $57 MILLION.

BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE WERE TO CASH POSITION OF $65 MILLION.

UM, A LOT OF THAT WAS DUE TO SOME OF OUR ACTIVITIES

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AND THIS YEAR WE'RE ALSO PENDING TO HAVE, UM, ARPA MONIES, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, AS WELL AS THE SHUTTERED VENUE GRANT, UH, THAT, UH, SCOTT MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, UM, HAD SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS, UM, BY EMAIL, UH, WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE REVIEWING OUR, UM, GRANT APPLICATION.

AND I NEED TO DO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE ON THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THOSE TWO GRANT DOLLARS IN MAYBE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH.

IT'S LOOKING VERY GOOD FOR THAT.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, LET'S SEE THE, UM, ONE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, LIKE THE GENERAL FUND, UH, JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM THIS REPORT.

THE GENERAL FUND INCREASED BY $1.1 MILLION DURING 2020, THE POLICE FUND INCREASED BY $500,000.

AND THESE ARE ROUND NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY, AND THE FIREFIGHT INCREASED BY ABOUT $1.8 MILLION ALL DURING 2020, UH, PRIMARY REASON FOR THESE INCREASES, UM, WAS THE, UH, THE INFLUX OF THE CARES ACT GRANT MONIES, UH, THAT WAS USED ALMOST ENTIRELY FOR, UH, POLICE AND FIRE SALARIES.

UH, SOME OF THE PUBLIC MAY NOTICE SOME OF THE CHANGES OUT AT THE MUSIC CENTER.

WE ALSO USED, UH, A GOOD CHUNK OF THE MONEY FOR, UM, TOUCHLESS FAUCETS AND, UH, TOUCHLESS TOILETS FAUCETS THAT WE USED OUT THERE.

AND, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT SEE THAT, UH, UM, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN AWARE OF.

THE, UM, THE ONE, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT THE MUSIC CENTER DID NOT HAVE A SEASON LAST YEAR.

SO THE ONE, ONE OF OUR MAJOR FUNDS THAT, UH, UH, WAS DOWN LAST YEAR WAS THE PARKS AND RECREATION FUND.

AND, UH, AND SO I, UM, TOOK IT UPON MYSELF.

ED MENTIONED THAT I GAVE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT TH THAT HE DIDN'T REQUEST.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SMART TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THE, UM, ANNUAL PROFIT OR LOSS THAT THE MERE RECREATION CENTER, UM, HAS, UM, GENERATED, UM, UH, MUSIC CENTER.

I'M SORRY, UH, SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 2015.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON THIS, UH, EMAIL THAT, THAT SCOTT SENT OUT, UH, 2015, OBVIOUSLY OUR FIRST YEAR, WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, UNKNOWN CAPITAL EXPENSES, UH, STARTUP EXPENSES.

AND, UH, THAT YEAR WE HAD A LOSS OF 265,000 AND CHANGE.

BUT SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD PROFITS OF TWO HUNDRED NINETY THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND, UH, 1 MILLION, UH, ALMOST 1 MILLION, 100,000 IN 2019.

AND THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY OUR LOSS IN 2020, A NET LOSS OF 365,000.

AND THIS IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, NOT JUST OUR OPERATIONALS OPERATIONS AT THE MUSIC CENTER, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE GET A NAMING RIGHTS, UH, FOR THE ROWS, UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE TO PAY MIMI THE MANAGEMENT FEE.

AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT DURING, UH, 2020, UH, THAT WAS VERY WELL WORTH IT, UH, BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE HAD, COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE HOOK FOR A LOT OF CONCERTS THAT WE ENDED UP, UM, THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THEY CANCELED INSTEAD OF, UH, INSTEAD OF US DECIDING TO CANCEL THE CONCERTS.

AND SO THAT WAY THERE WAS NO IN THOSE CONTRACTS THERE'S CLAUSES THAT WOULD MAKE US BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE EXPENSES.

SO, UM, JUST TO SHOUT OUT TO MIMI FOR THE GOOD JOB THAT THEY DID LAST YEAR, THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION FOR A REASONS FOR OUR, UM, UH, INCREASES, WE DID DO SOME BOND ISSUES LAST YEAR.

AND THAT WAS FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO, UM, UH, TO PURCHASE, UH, MARION MEADOWS AND CR DAYTON PROPERTIES.

AND, UH, WE ALSO HAD THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, WE DID A LEASE FOR THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S COMING TO A CLOSE QUICKLY HERE.

UM, OF COURSE WE DID ADD A PIECE FOR FIRE, UH, NOT LONG AGO, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE BOND PROCEEDS THAT CAME IN THAT, UH, BY THE END OF 20 HAD NOT TOTALLY BEEN SPENT.

SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE, ONE OF THE BONDS WHEN WE ISSUED THE BONDS, IT WAS FOR ALL POTENTIAL EXPENSES RELATED TO THOSE PROJECTS.

AND SO SOME OF THAT IS REVENUE THAT IS IN THE CITY FUNDS UNTIL THOSE EXPENSES ARE USED UP.

THANKS, JIM.

SO I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THE TAKEAWAY IS, I MEAN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MADE SOME EXPENSE EXPENDITURES LAST YEAR, BUT THOSE WERE KIND OF BASED ON MONEY THAT WE KNEW WAS COMING IN THROUGH, UH, CARES, ACT MONEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IN THE END OF THE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CASH POSITION, AS YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE HEARD AT THE BEGINNING OF 2020 WAS $57 MILLION OR SO JANUARY, 2020, OUR CASH POSITION, ALL OF OUR FUNDS WAS 57 MILLION AND OUR CASH POSITION AT THE END OF DECEMBER OF 2020 WAS 65 MILLION.

SO THE CASH POSITION GREW BY ABOUT $8 MILLION DURING 2020.

A LOT OF, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD JUST HAD JUST MENTIONED.

SO, UH, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GREAT NUMBERS.

THAT'S GREAT FOR US TO SEE, UH,

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WHAT I'D ALSO ASK IS IT, SO IN THE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, SINCE YOU PUT THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER, SO WE'RE SEEING SINCE ITS INCEPTION A TOTAL, UM, NET PROFIT OF 2.2, ONE $7 MILLION AT THE ROSES GENERATED FOR THE CITY AND THE PARKS AND REC FUND.

NOW I KNOW THERE, THERE STILL HAS ALWAYS BEEN QUESTIONS.

EVERY TIME THE ROSE COMES UP, WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT IS REAL PROFIT? WHAT'S THE MORTGAGE? WHAT ARE THE EXPENSES? CAN YOU BRIEFLY JUST DESCRIBE FOR EVERYONE THE REVENUE STREAM, HOW THE, UM, HOW THE ROSE IS PAID FOR, AND THEN HOW THAT SEPARATE, HOW WE COME UP WITH OUR $2.2 MILLION PROFIT OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE MORTGAGE PAYMENT ON THE FACILITY IS, BUT THERE'S A SEPARATE REVENUE STREAM FOR THAT.

SO IF YOU COULD BRIEFLY UPDATE EVERYONE HOW THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, JUST SO ALL THIS COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT INFORMATION, CORRECT INFORMATION.

SO EVERY TIME THAT ISSUE KEEPS BEING BROUGHT UP, THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT'S THE MORTGAGE, IT ISN'T REAL PROFIT.

WE CAN GIVE A, UH, AN ANSWER THAT MAKES SENSE TO EVERYONE.

YES, YES.

AND, UH, UM, I'M SORRY THAT I DIDN'T MENTION THAT IN MY PRESENTATION.

UM, THE, UM, YEAH, THE $2.2 MILLION REPRESENTS OPERATIONAL PROFIT.

SO, UH, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE, AS I SAID, THE NAMING RIGHTS ON THE ONE HAND FOR THE REVENUE VERSUS, UH, PAYING MIMI TO DO THEIR, UM, UH, DUE DILIGENCE AND, UH, AND, AND MANAGE THE FACILITY, UM, CONTRACT WITH THE ACTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THE MORTGAGE IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE, AND THAT IS, UH, HANDLED BY TIF REVENUES.

UH, WHEN DONNY WAS HERE, HE SET UP THOSE, UM, UH, THE TIF FUNDS WERE POINTED OUT AND WE WENT OVER THAT LAST YEAR.

IF YOU REMEMBER, I WANNA SAY JULY OR AUGUST, WE HAD A, UM, A MEETING CONCERNING ALL THE DEBT AND WHERE THE DIFFERENT TIF FUNDS WERE POINTED AT THE DIFFERENT DEBT.

AND AT THAT TIME, UH, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ALL OF THE MUSIC CENTER DEBT LONG-TERM THAT SOME OF IT WAS SHORT-TERM.

WE HAD, UH, IN 2018, WE DID A, UM, A THREE-YEAR ISSUE AND THOSE NOTES CAME DUE, UM, JUST JUNE 1ST.

AND WE EXTENDED THOSE LONG-TERM ONCE WE DID THE, UM, ANALYSIS AND DETERMINED THAT THE TIF REVENUES COMING IN NOW WERE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO COVER TAKING THE REST OF THE MUSIC CENTER DEBT LONG-TERM.

SO THAT IS NOW LONG-TERM, IT IS KEPT SEPARATE FROM THIS BECAUSE IT IS HANDLED BY TIP REVENUES.

AND I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS PART OF THIS SHUTTERED VENUE OPERATORS GRANT, UH, ONE OF THE EXPENSES THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR IS PAYMENT OF YOUR, UM, UH, YOUR DEBT ON THE FACILITY FOR THE YEAR OF 2020 AND 2021.

SO, UH, THAT DEBT IS, UM, UM, AROUND $2 MILLION THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET REIMBURSED FOR, UH, THROUGH THESE GRANT FUNDS.

UM, IF WE ARE APPROVED AND IT'S LOOKING POSITIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY IN THE BANK YET, BUT, UH, IT'S, UH, HAVING BEEN CONTACTED BY THEM WANTING A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA INFORMATION, I'M VERY POSITIVE THAT, UH, WE SHOULD GET THOSE FUNDS.

SO A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT GRANT MONEY WILL BE PAID FOR TWO YEARS OF DEBT.

SO THERE'S SO THERE'S, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THERE'S NO MONEY PHYSICALLY COMING FROM, UM, LIKE OUT OF OUR BUDGET OR REVENUE THAT'S BEING PAID ON THE MORTGAGE, THAT MONEY IS COMING IN VIA A REVENUE STREAM, BECAUSE THE ROSE IS IN THAT TIF DISTRICT.

SO THE MONEY IS GENERATED FROM THE TIF REVENUE IS WHAT'S PAYING THE ACTUAL MORTGAGE ON THE ROADS.

IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET, PANK MAKING THAT MORTGAGE PAYMENT EVERY YEAR, CORRECT? NO, I MEAN, IT IS A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S OUT OF THE TIF FUNDS.

SO EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERTS, IF THERE WERE NO OPERATIONAL PROFIT, THERE'S STILL REVENUE COMING IN THAT PAYS THE MORTGAGE ON THE BUILDING.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

ABSOLUTELY.

I APPRECIATE THE OTHER THINGS.

I DIDN'T MENTION SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIMI DOESN'T REIMBURSE US FOR ON IT'S PART OF THE OPERATIONS IS THE INSURANCE ON THE BUILDING.

IT'S OUR BUILDING.

SO WE PAY THE INSURANCE ON IT, RIGHT.

LIKE I SAID, PAYMENT FOR ME, ME, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, UH, VERY MINIMAL EXPENSES AND PROPERTY TAXES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS NET PROFIT AND LOSS FIGURE.

MS. BERG, UM, YES, UH, GYM THIS YEAR, THEY INSTALLED, UH, SECURITY GREENERS SCREENING MACHINES.

AND, UM, WHAT FUND DID THAT COME OUT OF? I, IS THAT IT MADE ME FIND THAT, OR DO, DOES THAT COME OUT OF OUR, WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT OUT OF OUR, UM, UM, PARKS AND RECREATION FUND.

WOULD FREE UP MORE MONEY FOR PARKS REC.

SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT COULD BE REIMBURSED THROUGH THE THROUGH GRANT THAT YOU'RE WAITING FOR? UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS AN EXPENSE THAT I CAN, UM, PUT THROUGH FOR THAT, WHETHER THEY APPROVE IT OR NOT, IT WILL BE UP TO THEM, BUT THAT'S AN EXPENSE THAT I COULD ANY EXPENSE IN 20 OR 21, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A DELAYED OPENING WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE, WHICH

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AND THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. SHELL LIKE AMERICA, UM, JIM FURTHER FOR THOSE, UH, UH, LISTENING AND WATCHING AT HOME? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS NOW, OR MAYBE WE NEED TO PUBLICLY DISCLOSE THEM, UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING.

UH, DO YOU HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CARE ZACK MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED AND THE NEW ANTICIPATED AMOUNT FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN? UH, SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE IT KEEPS CHANGING CONSTANTLY.

UM, EVERY TIME I SEEM LIKE I'M ON A CONFERENCE CALL, I'M SURE YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME THING.

THE RULES KEEP CHANGING, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE AMOUNT KEEPS FLUCTUATING.

AND FROM WHERE WE STARTED OUT TO WHERE WE'RE GOING DOWN, WE'RE KEEP GOING DOWN.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW INFORMATION ON THAT.

UM, UM, THE, FROM WHAT I KNOW IS THE FINAL INFORMATION IS WE WILL BE RECEIVING A COMPLETE, A TOTAL OF JUST SHY OF $4 MILLION.

NOW WE'LL GET $2 MILLION THAT SHOULD BE HERE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER $2 MILLION WILL BE, UM, UH, NEXT YEAR, 12 MONTHS LATER, I THINK THE EXACT NUMBER IS LIKE 1 MILLION, 998,000 AND CHANGE.

SO IT'S JUST REAL CLOSE TO 2 MILLION.

AND IT WAS INITIALLY ESTIMATED TO BE SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION.

AND THAT CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE TOWNSHIP, THE STATE CHART, UM, YEAH, UH, DISPERSED IT ALL TO TOWNSHIPS, WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL DISBURSEMENT.

UM, THE, UM, THE CARES ACT THAT I MENTIONED, UM, IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2.2 AND $2.3 MILLION THAT CAME IN LAST YEAR.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, UM, I WASN'T PREPARED TO GIVE THAT TODAY, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SAY I WAS HAPPY WHEN WE WERE DONE WITH THE AUDIT AND IT WAS A CLEAN AUDIT BECAUSE THAT MEANT THAT ALL OF THE USES THAT I, UH, SUBMITTED AND BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL LAST YEAR, REMEMBER THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE MEETINGS WHERE I BROUGHT, UH, THOSE, UH, EXPENSES SO THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THEM, UM, THAT AUDIT CAME BACK CLEAN AND, UM, AND THAT INCLUDED AUDITING THOSE FUNDS.

SO, YEAH.

YEAH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME STRUGGLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND EVEN IN COLUMBUS ON, ON HOW MUNICIPAL FINANCE DIRECTORS WAS GOING TO REPORT ALL THAT CLEANLY.

AND I'M GLAD IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WE'VE DONE THAT SUCCESSFULLY.

UM, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT.

UM, I HAD PREVIOUSLY ASKED IF WE ARE GRANTED WITH THE SHUTTERED VINEYARD GRANT FUNDING, UM, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL, UH, CONTRACT LEGALITY OF HAVING TO PROVIDE ANY OF THAT MONEY TO MIMI FOR PROFIT SHARING? OH, I'VE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH MIMI AND, UH, UM, THAT IS, UM, THAT IS A COMPLETE, THE GRANT IS FOR US AS A CITY, AS THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OPERATIONS, EVEN THOUGH I CAN APPLY, I CAN USE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, THE A THERE'S NO FUNDS GOING TO MIMI.

PERFECT.

UH, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH MAMIE.

THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN APPLICATION FOR THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THEY DO RIVERBEND AND, UM, MORE THAN NOW THE ICON, BUT THAT WASN'T LAST YEAR, BUT, UH, THERE'S OTHER FACILITIES THAT THERE'S, THAT THEY'RE SUBMITTING THE CINCINNATI SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA IS ANOTHER ONE TAFT THEATER.

SO, UM, YEAH, THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE IT'S BASED.

THE GRANT IS BASED ON WHO OWNS THE FACILITIES.

EXCELLENT.

MA'AM YEAH.

UH, JIM, WHEN THEY FIRST PANDEMIC RELIEF FUNDS WERE, UH, ISSUED, I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE ONES THAT THE CITIES HAD, DIDN'T USE THEM, THEY'RE REDISTRIBUTED TO OTHER CITIES THAT COULD USE IT.

IS THAT GOING TO BE THE SAME CASE WHEN THIS, UM, WHEN THEY SLAYED THIS, WHEN THIS LATEST, UH, GRANT COMES DOWN, THE ONES THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED TO THE TOWNSHIPS, IF THEY DON'T ACTUALLY USE THEM OR THEY'D BE PUT BACK IN THE POT FOR REDISTRICT REDISTRIBUTION? YES, I HAVE, UH, READ THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN, UM, COMMUNICATED AND, UH, AND WE RECEIVED, UH, SOME OF THAT LAST YEAR WITH THE, UM, THE CARES ACT MONEY.

WE, WE GOT AN INITIAL TRAUNCH AND THEN WE GOT A SECONDARY TRENCH.

IT WASN'T A LOT IN THE SECONDARY TRENCH.

IT WAS UNDER 50,000, BUT IT WAS STILL ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT WE COULD USE.

SO YES, IF SOMEONE, AND I THINK SOME, SOME LOCATIONS ARE SMALLER AND MAYBE HAVE AN ELECTED, UH, FINANCE PERSON, AN AUDITOR THAT, UH, MAYBE IS NOT GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I'M GETTING.

AND SO SOME OF THEM JUST DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT PAPERWORK.

AND, AND SO THERE, THERE COULD BE MONIES THAT ARE REDISTRIBUTED TO US AFTER THE FACT, I CAN, I CAN ONLY REPORT ON WHAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR, IF WE GET MORE THAN THAT, IT'S GOOD FOR US AND GOOD FOR EVERYONE ELSE THAT APPLIED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND THANKS FOR THE GREAT JOB ON THE AUDIT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

GUESS THE NEXT STEP IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR ENERGY PERFORMANCE PROJECT.

[ Energy Performance Project]

YES, BRIAN, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, UH, AS COUNCIL, WELL, IT WAS AWARE OF THE, UH, THE CITY DID APPROVE A THIRD CHANGE ORDER TO THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE SOME WORK AT THE FIRE

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DEPARTMENT, UH, STATIONS 22 AND STATIONS 23.

UH, THERE IS A FUNDING ELEMENT THAT WAS REQUIRED TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.

AND THIS IS THAT PARTICULAR FUNDING ELEMENT.

SO IN LIGHT OF COUNCIL'S PARTICULAR, UH, PREVIOUS ACTION ON THIS ITEM, WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL ADVANCE THIS MATTER TO A MONDAY'S MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GET THE CHIEF NICELY STATIONS UNDERWAY AND GET THOSE UP.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM RYAN, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ONTO MONDAY.

F WHICH IS EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS CHIEF.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Emergency Notification Systems]

HELLO? I'M WELL, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THE ONE PIECE OF THE ONE TANGIBLE ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS I REACHED OUT TO CODE RED, OUR INITIAL, THE NUMBERS THAT I GAVE YOU ON JUNE THAT I RECEIVED ON JUNE 21ST.

THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, UH, WE HAD A TOTAL OF 6,321, WHETHER WARRANTED PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR WEATHER WARNINGS.

UH, THE EMAIL TODAY IS BLOWER YOUR C AND E OPT-IN COUNTS.

AS OF TODAY.

GREAT BOOST ENROLLMENT.

WE HAVE, UH, INCREASED THE WEATHER WARNINGS BY 375.

UH, BUSINESSES OPT-INS HAVE INCREASED BY 12 RESIDENTIAL 369 AND TEXT MESSAGING NOTIFICATIONS HAS INCREASED BY 3 51.

SO WE SAW RIGHT ABOUT 5% INCREASE IN ENROLLMENTS WITH, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS UP PUSH FOR US, UH, HELPED OUT GREATLY.

UM, MAYBE OUR WONDERFUL SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEOS HELPED A LITTLE BIT TOO, BUT I'M SURE THE 7,000 PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOL GOT, UH, REALLY HELPED US OUT.

SO I KNOW NATIONAL NIGHT OUTS COMING UP.

SO IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'LL BE KIND OF PUSHING IN THERE AS WELL? YOU GET SOME SIGNAGE, UH, MADE, UH, ONE OF THE WAITING ON, UH, THE VENDOR TO PRODUCE SOME WINDOWS STICKERS.

UH, I BELIEVE IN THE PACKET THAT SCOTT SENT OUT, HAD THE QR CODE.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS GETTING A SMALL STICKER TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON DOORS.

OF COURSE, CITY, ALL THE CITY BUILDINGS WE'LL PUT THOSE OUT AND HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME THAT WE CAN HAND OUT AND HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

OKAY, GREAT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR CHIEF? I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS DISCUSSION TOO, WAS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TORNADO SIRENS, ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL HAS HAD, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DIG INTO ANY OF THAT INFORMATION AND LOOK AND, AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION YET.

I THINK THAT CERTAINLY HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION WE CAN MOVE TO, UH, TO A VERY NEAR FUTURE WORK SESSION, UM, TO GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION AND, AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP AND WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND MAYBE IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING, UM, OR IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING, CERTAINLY WE CAN.

UM, BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CHIEF AS OF, AS OF RIGHT NOW? I DON'T KNOW, ANDY, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT YOU WANTED, UH, ON THE, ON THE AGENDA.

SO TO SNIFF, OFFERING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW UP.

UM, I'M JUST GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN, UM, IN SUBSCRIPTIONS, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THEM.

AND, UM, I LIKE TO SEE THAT ALSO CONTINUE TO GO UP.

SO, UM, I LIKE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME STUPID STUFF WITH, UM, THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE GREAT, BUT YEAH, I, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS RIGHT THIS MINUTE.

UM, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT TORNADO SIRENS, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.

I WANT TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND, AND THINK ABOUT PLACES THAT WE CAN GO, UM, BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT MYSELF.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE FUTURE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

CHIEF.

DO YOU REMEMBER, I KNOW THE NUMBER WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBERS, AS FAR AS HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE SIGNED UP LIKE THAT, 63, 21.

WHAT WAS THE, HAVE YOU REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WE HAVE THAT ARE 18 AND UP, THAT WOULD BE, THAT SHOULD BE GETTING THESE NOTIFICATIONS? LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? I BELIEVE THE NUMBER THAT I CRUNCHED I WAS USING CENSUS DATA FOR ANY OVER 1820 4%, UH, IS, WAS THE NUMBER OF WHERE WE WERE AT WAS ABOUT 24% OF THOSE 18 AND UP OF OUR POPULATION WERE ENROLLED IN THERE.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER, WHAT, LIKE HOW MANY RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE OF THE CITY THAT I CAN GET YOU A QUICK BALLPARK HERE? JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE 18 AND UP THAT, THAT 24% IS THE CALCULATION OF, I GUESS, OH YEAH.

I TAUGHT MATH.

I COULD DO THE REVERSE MATH OF THERE AND FIGURE OUT THAT NUMBER, BUT YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO THINK, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE UNDER 18, I HAVE TO CRUNCH THE NUMBERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.

THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF.

CAN WE AGAIN WORK WITH OUR PHONE COMPANIES THAT HAPPENED FOR THEM CELLULAR DATA COMPANIES THAT WORK IN OUR AREA AND TRY PUSHING OUT THE CODE TO THEM TO HELP THEM SET UP.

AND THEN CAN WE ALSO PUSH WITH THE SCHOOLS AGAIN WHEN SCHOOL STARTS? YEAH.

UH, AND THE, THE, THE, UM, UM, THE TAKEAWAY THAT I HAD FROM THE LAST MEETING WHERE THE WINDOWS STICKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I WAS WAITING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GIVE THEM TO TRY TO PUT ON DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

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THE PICKUP DAY IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE YOU, THE LEXINGTON PLACE ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE MADE ME AWARE OF.

AND NEXT EPISODE IN 3G

[ Republic Services - Trash Collection]

UH, YES.

UH, SO, UH, THE, THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP, UH, RECENTLY, AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, THEIR, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PASSING ON PROPER INFORMATION TO THEIR CALL, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ALL THE RIGHT INFORMATION IS GETTING OUT THERE.

UM, SO WHAT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO DO IS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, PROVIDED THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS AT THEIR CALL CENTER.

WE'LL CALL IT A CHEAT SHEET FOR HUBER HEIGHTS NOW, UM, BECAUSE EACH, UH, UH, COMMUNITY'S DIFFERENT IN WHAT'S NEGOTIATED AND WHAT'S, UH, THE DIFFERENT DEALS ARE, UH, SO THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AS THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE OVER THAT, UH, THEY HAVE ALL THAT PROPER INFORMATION.

SO, UH, THAT HAS BEEN SENT OVER, WHICH INCLUDES THE SENIOR DISCOUNT.

WE HAVE HEARD THAT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE HAVE CALLED AND WERE TOLD THAT THEY HAD TO PREPAY FOR 12 MONTHS TO GET THE SENIOR DISCOUNT, WHICH IS COMPLETELY FALSE.

UM, SO THAT THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, BEING CORRECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE EXACT RIGHT INFORMATION TO PUT OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS.

UM, WE'VE, UH, THERE ARE MISSED PICKUPS.

UM, WE JUST HAD JUST RECENTLY OVER THE PAST WEEK, CAUSE I'VE HEARD, I'VE HEARD OF MORE OF THEM.

UM, I DON'T ALWAYS HEAR, UM, WHEN THEY ARE, UM, AND A LOT OF TIMES SOMEBODY WILL JUST CALL REPUBLIC AND THEY'LL COME PICK THEM UP THE NEXT DAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE HAPPENS WHEN, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS OCCURS.

UH, SO AS I GET THEM, I PASS THEM ON TO THAT REPRESENTATIVE AND THEN THEY FOLLOW UP AND, UM, LIKE I JUST HEARD LIKE A ROUND LEXINGTON PLACE.

THEY HAPPEN TO BE A DAY OFF.

SO THEY CAME ON A SATURDAY TO PICK UP THE TRASH ON THAT DAY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, YEAH.

ALSO, UM, I'VE, UH, REMINDED THEM OF WHAT THE CITY BOUNDARIES ARE, UM, THAT THE, UH, BECAUSE WE HEARD ABOUT LIKE CARRIAGE TRAILS IS AN AREA THAT SOMEBODY WOULD CALL AND, UH, THEY WERE TOLD THAT NO, THE HOA HANDLES THAT NO, UM, ALL SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENCES ARE PART OF THE CITYWIDE CONTRACT.

SO, UM, SEND TO REMIND THEM, UM, THAT TIKO, CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU DO HAVE, UH, SOME CONFUSION WITH SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE UP IN MIAMI COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A TIP CITY MAILING LIST ADDRESS.

SO, UM, WE, UH, WE'LL KEEP ON, UM, REMINDING THEM OF THAT, UH, TYPE OF THING AS WELL AS WE ADD MORE STREETS INTO THE SYSTEM.

UM, BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, WE, UH, SEND ON THE INFORMATION AS NEW SECTIONS COME ON, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY DOES MOVE INTO A NEW, UH, PORTION OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT THEY, UH, CALL FOR SERVICE AND SOMETIMES THE RIGHT, WELL, WE DON'T LEAN AND SEE THAT STREET.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

SO, UM, WE, UH, OUR GIS, UH, UH, EMPLOYEE, UH, HELPS SEND ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THEM.

AND THEN ALSO TO, UH, PLACES LIKE, UH, UH, THE OTHER UTILITIES AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, UH, UM, HAVE DONE TO, UH, HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPER INFORMATION IS OUT THERE AND THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING PROPER SERVICE.

THANKS, GOD.

I MEAN, I REALIZE YOU, I THINK A FRUSTRATING THING FOR ALL OF US UP HERE IS EITHER RESIDENTS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT HAVE SOME LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION, UH, SOME LEVEL OF MISUNDERSTANDING, AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE CALLING A CALL CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNEW THAT'S AN ISSUE.

THEY HAVE A CALL CENTER.

SO, UH, THE HANDLES THOSE THINGS, UH, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE AUTOMATIC MESSAGES THAT WENT OUT.

I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF EMAILS AND MESSAGES I GOT BECAUSE PEOPLE GOT AN EMAIL THAT, OR AN AUTOMATED CALL THAT THEY'VE HAD A PAST DUE BILL.

UM, SO IT, IT, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAN, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING AND DEALING WITH JUST SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW IN THE WORLD, CAN THIS BE THIS DIFFICULT FROM THE, THE CORPORATION WHO, WHO HAS THE CONTRACT TO THE CALL CENTER, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE TO GET OUT THE RIGHT INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE THAT CALL AND, UH, THAT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN THE BANE OF OUR EXISTENCE FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING IN TOUCH WITH THEM IN CONTACT WITH THEM, BUT WE CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH.

THEY HAVE TO DO BETTER AT COMMUNICATING WHAT THE CONTRACT IS.

UM, WHEN

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AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GUY CALLED ME BACK AND SAY THEY WERE THERE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.

HE DIDN'T CALL ME MESSAGE ME.

HE SAID SEVEN O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING.

UH, THEY WERE THERE AND THEY PICKED IT UP WHAT THEY MISSED ON FRIDAY, BUT IT'S ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS IN A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE'S UNCERTAINTY, IT JUST KEEPS ADDING AND ADDING AND ADDING AND ADDING ON TO THE ISSUE OF THE MISTRUST THAT A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BETWEEN US AND THE, AND THE COMPANY WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH.

SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO EXPRESS TO THEM THE IMPORTANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO BETTER AND THEY HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT.

ANYTHING.

YEAH, I HAD KIND OF A RELATED QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD ANSWER IT, SCOTT OR JERRY CAN ANSWER IT.

UM, I'VE BEEN ASKED IF, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CITY ANNEXES PROPERTY, LIKE THEY DID, UH, FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS AND WE GO INTO MIAMI COUNTY AND WE'D TAKE OVER RESPONSIBILITY FOR, FOR THE WATER, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYTHING.

UM, WHY DOES THAT NOT CHANGE THE COUNTY BOUNDARY WHEN YOU ANNEX? IT SEEMS LIKE, OKAY, NOW YOU ARE, YOU'RE NOW IN THIS COUNTY.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T, UM, PARTS OF COLUMBUS, IRENE, I THINK FOUR DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S MULTIPLE CITIES THAT ARE IN TWO OR MORE COUNTIES, UM, BARREL WHERE I LIVE IS IN TWO COUNTIES.

UM, AND OF COURSE YOU WERE HEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THEY DON'T DO THAT.

SAME SET WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE SMALLER COUNTIES WOULD GET GOBBLED UP AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT, WHAT IT IS, BUT UNDER THE LAW, UM, IT'S JUST ALL SET UP OR THE EXISTING COUNTIES REMAIN THE SAME THAT WITHSTANDING ANNEXATION AND THEY JUST HANDLE THE VOTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WE'RE WELL AWARE BY JUST MAKING SEPARATE DISTRICTS AND JOINT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

HMM.

IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

IT WAS REVENUE TOO, BECAUSE COUNTIES HAVE THEIR OWN SOURCE.

THEY HAVE THEIR SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT GETS SPENT ON COUNTY INITIATIVES AND COUNTY ISSUES.

SO WHAT, IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO MONEY.

SO I'M SURE IT'S A REVENUE STREAM THAT GOES TO MIAMI COUNTY IS A I'M SURE IT'S THE BIGGEST, I CAN'T SAY I'M SURE NO LAWYER, BUT, BUT IF THEY'LL PAY THEIR, IF THEY PAY THEIR TAXES TO HUBER HEIGHTS, THEN YOU KNOW, MIAMI COUNTY WOULDN'T GET THAT ANYWAY, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, THEY WOULD.

UM, THE OTHER THING, AS FAR AS REPUBLIC IS CONCERNED WHILE WE'RE, EVERYBODY'S FACING THIS CHALLENGE, INCLUDING ME AND GETTING HOLD OF REPUBLIC.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS MORNING, UM, WHEN OUR TRASH MAN PICKED UP, OUR TRASH OF A BUNCH OF PAPERS FELL OUT ALL OVER THE GROUND AND HE VERY NICELY PICKED THEM ALL UP.

AND I, AND I JUST NEVER HAD A MINUTES TROUBLE WITH THEM.

SO I I'M, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE THEY GIVE US IN THAT RESPECT.

I THINK MOST OF THE PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW ARE RELATED TO, LIKE YOU SAID, MANAGEMENT AND GETTING EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE COMMUNICATION.

BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, PEOPLE ARE KIND OF, THE STRING IS GETTING STRETCHED, TAUGHT WITH ALL OF THE FRUSTRATION ON THAT STUFF.

MR. WITT, THANK YOU.

MA'AM SCOTT REGARDING THE CALL CENTER.

IF I WERE TO CALL HIS CALL CENTER TOMORROW MORNING AND ASK THEM FROM OUR RATE, WHAT WOULD MY RATE BE? AND WHAT WOULD THAT INCLUDE? UM, THE, THE MONTHLY RATE IS 1454 PER MONTH FOR EVERYBODY, UNTIL YOU ASK FOR A SENIOR DISCOUNT WITH THE SENIOR DISCOUNT, IT'S 10% OFF THAT RATE.

AND THEN IT DEPENDS AFTER THAT OTHER FEATURES, YOU MAY HAVE HOW MANY CARTS YOU HAVE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT RATES INVOLVED.

THE RECYCLING CARTS ARE FREE AND THEN THE TRASH CARDS, UM, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

AND HOW MANY CARTS YOU HAVE OF THOSE WITH THE RATES ON THAT? OKAY.

UM, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL JUST TODAY FROM A RESIDENT WHO CALLED THE CALL CENTER TODAY AND GOD, EXCUSE ME, MY MISINFORMATION.

SO, UM, I HOPE THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT QUICKLY BECAUSE IT REALLY FEELS A MILE SOUTH THERE.

PEOPLE ARE CALLING AND GETTING DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

I RECEIVED THE EMAIL THAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED ON THE HOA IS THAT, UM, NO HOA HAS NEGOTIATED THEIR OWN TRASH, UM, WITH REPUBLIC AND IT'S NOT THE SETTING.

UH, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE SOMEBODY IN THE CALL CENTER CENTER SINCE SHOOTING FROM THE HEALTH, THEY'RE COMING UP WITH AN ANSWER OR USING AN ANSWER FOR ANOTHER CITY ENTIRELY.

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SO 1454 IS THE BASE RATE PER MONTH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, GLENN, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON DON'S PRICING QUESTIONS, UH, THE 1454 MONTHLY RATE IN THE CAR RATES, YOU SAID RECYCLING CANS, WHATEVER NUMBER THOSE ARE AT NO COST, THE RECYCLING, NO MATTER HOW MANY RECYCLING CARTS YOU HAVE IS NO COST.

AND THEN THE TRASH CANS WAS ONE INCLUDED IN THE BASE RATE OR THERE'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE FIRST ONE WAS INCLUDED AND ADDITIONALS WOULD BE CHARGED FOR.

AND THAT WAS THE CONFUSION.

THE BILL, THE REASON PEOPLE WERE GETTING $52 BILLS AS THEY WERE BEING CHARGED $3 A MONTH FOR THE FIRST CAR.

AND THAT'S WHAT WAS PUSHING THOSE BILLS UP TO $52.

IT SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN ABOUT 40, 45, 40 $6.

SO THAT WAS, THAT'S WHERE THE OVERALL ISSUE CAME IN.

AND SCOTT AND JERRY IS UNDERSTANDABLE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH REPUBLIC TO GET THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT BASED ON HOW WE UNDERSTOOD THE CONTRACT TO READ.

THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT AS WELL.

THE FIRST ONE WAS INCLUDED IN ADDITIONALS WHERE I THINK WHAT 2 75 FOR THREE BUCKS, UH, $3.

$3.

CAUSE, CAUSE ORIGINALLY THE WAY THEY, THE WAY THE OLD CONTRACT READ EACH CART WAS THE FIRST CART WAS A DOLLAR 77.

THAT WAS THE FEE FOR THE CARD.

I DON'T KNOW.

WAS THERE A FEE FOR ADDITIONAL CARDS BEYOND THE DOLLAR 77? I BELIEVE IT WAS A DOLLAR 77 EACH CAR, EACH CAR, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.

SO, UM, SO YEAH, AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME ISSUES REGARDING THE BILLING OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO WAS IT GETTING BILLED, WHO WAS PAYING FOR A CART WHO WASN'T BEING FOR A CART.

WE HAD ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SCOTT, YOU SAID YOU HAD RECOMMENDED THAT REPUBLIC NEEDS TO DO A CART AUDIT BECAUSE I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO IN THE CITY HAS A CART AND WHO DOESN'T.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT FRUSTRATION AND CONFUSION, EVEN FROM REPUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVE IN AND THEY MOVE OUT.

SO WHEN SOMEONE, WHEN SOMEONE MOVES, THEY CALL FOR SERVICE, BUT THERE'S ALREADY CARTS THERE, BUT NOW THERE'S A NEW NAME ON THE ACCOUNT.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING TO SOMEONE, THEY WROTE A 13 TO 14,000 CARTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I CAN SEE WHERE IT MIGHT BE HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL OF THOSE, BUT THEY'RE THEIR CARDS THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD KNOW WHO HAS ON WHO DOESN'T AND MAKE SURE THAT THE BILLING IS CONSISTENT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF, MY BIG ISSUE IS THE BILLING NEEDS TO BECOME CONSISTENT.

IF YOU'RE MY NEIGHBOR AND MAY HAVE THE EXACT SAME SERVICE, THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF CARDS, OUR BILL SHOULD BE THE EXACT SAME, SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT.

UM, AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME ISSUES WHERE THAT WAS THE CASE.

SO, UM, WE WANT BILLING, CONSISTENCY, BILLING, ACCURACY, AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THIS, TO WHERE WE ALL UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY SHOULD PAY AND, AND THE RESIDENTS DESERVED IN THEM.

SO, UM, AGAIN, PLEASE STRESS TO THEM, THE URGENCY OF MAKING SURE THEY GET THIS RIGHT.

RICHARD, THANK YOU, MARK.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR SCOTT OR JERRY, SO I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, HIT THE BUZZER AND TAG IN, UM, ON MAY 10TH, THIS COUNSEL ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT TO, FOR A SHORT-TERM AGREEMENT.

AND THEN, UM, THEN SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE, UM, WE PASSED THE ACTUAL CONTRACT.

SO I GUESS THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

ARE WE CURRENTLY OPERATING ON THE SHORT-TERM AGREEMENT OR DO WE HAVE A SIGNED NEW AGREEMENT WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER THE, THE EXISTING AGREEMENT OR THE PRIOR AGREEMENT? I BELIEVE EXPIRED JULY 1ST.

AND I BELIEVE THE EXTENSION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS IN CASE WE DIDN'T HAVE THINGS SETTLED BY JULY 1ST.

SO THAT EXTENSION NEVER REALLY KICKED IN AS MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEED IT AS OF JULY 1ST, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER THE NEW BILLING.

WE HAVE SOME ISSUES WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT, WHICH ARE NOT MAJOR, BUT THE CART, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT EXACTLY IS, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING FOR IT? AND THAT'S, WHAT'S HOLDING UP THE, UM, SIGNING OF THE FINAL CONTRACT, BUT THEN THE INTERIM, WE, WE DON'T WANT TRASH SERVICE TO STOP.

SO THEY WERE CONTINUING WITH THE TRASH SERVICE AND THEY'RE JUST BILLING AT THE NEW RATE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTED CONTRACT YET.

SO, UH, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNED CONTRACT BECAUSE OF THE, THE ISSUES BECAUSE OF YES.

NOT, NOT THE ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SERVICE, BUT IT'S SIMPLY A CONTRACT INTERPRETATION ISSUE ON, ON THE ADDITIONAL CARE COSTS.

UM, AND IT IS IN MY OPINION THAT EVEN PREVIOUSLY, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S TO BLAME FOR IT.

SO HERE'S, HERE'S ONE OF MY BIG ISSUES.

UM, I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT GOT A PHONE CALL THAT SAID MY, MY ACCOUNT WAS STOLEN OR PAST DUE.

UM, I ALSO RECEIVED A INCORRECT BILL,

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I WOULD HAVE SAVED REPUBLICS AND SAY GENERATE THE BILLS.

UM, I HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED FOR A TRASH CART.

MY BILL, UM, I, MATTER OF FACT, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT UP HERE PREVIOUSLY.

UM, THE PAST YEARS WAS $33 AND 57 CENTS.

UM, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED ON HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY HAD THE SAME ISSUE WHERE THEY'VE NEVER BEEN CHARGED FOR A CART.

UM, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF REPUBLICAN'S NOW GOING TO SAY, OOPS, YOU KNOW, WE CAUGHT THAT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER ISSUES.

SO NOW THOSE RESIDENTS WHO WAS PAYING $33 AND 57 CENTS, UM, UM, UH, UM, EVERY THREE MONTHS IS GOING TO SEE AN EVEN HIGHER INCREASE IN THEIR BILLING BECAUSE NOW REPUBLIC'S GOING TO CHARGE FOR THE CARDS.

IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE OTHER SERVICE ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT AT LEAST I WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'VE HAD REPUBLIC FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.

SERVICE HAS BEEN AMAZING.

WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY BILLING ISSUES.

WE'VE NEVER HAD MISS PICKUPS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

AS SOON AS THIS COUNCIL GOES INTO A NEW AGREEMENT, THE DOORS JUST BLOW OFF.

SO I GUESS I'M A BIT, I DON'T WANT TO SAY FRUSTRATED, CONFUSED, UM, IRRITATED, UM, THAT WE, WE HAD A PERFECTLY GOOD COMPANY IN MY OPINION, THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD THE AWARD, WHICH WAS RUNKEE.

UM, AND I STILL TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS COUNCIL SHOULD AND CAN STILL GO WITH RUNKEE TO PROVIDE TRASH SERVICES WHERE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOWER ULTIMATE COSTS TO THE CUSTOMER.

AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ALL OF THESE DARN ISSUES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND EVEN STILL TO DATE, UM, WE WERE TOLD AT LEAST I WAS TOLD THAT THE RESONANCE OF THIS COMMUNITY WAS GOING TO GET A FRESH UPDATED BILL LAST WEEK.

AND NOW THAT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK AGAIN.

SO I GUESS THERE'S NOT REALLY BEEN ANY CONSISTENT INFORMATION ON THIS.

UM, I KNOW AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE LAST EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM CITY ADMINISTRATION WAS FROM BRIAN DURING, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, OUR CITY MANAGERS, UM, RECENT VACATION AND THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I'VE RECEIVED.

SO I GUESS, I GUESS MY, MY POINT TO ALL OF THAT IS TO SCOTT AND TO JERRY.

I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE UPDATED AND WHOLE AS TO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH REPUBLIC.

SO WE'RE ALL READING FROM THE SAME BOOK IN THE SAME DOCUMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CALLING US, EMAILING US WITH QUESTIONS, AND WHETHER I'M TELLING THEM ONE RATE, THE MAYOR MAY BE, YOU KNOW, TELLING THEM, HEY, THERE'S A DOLLAR 77, A DOLLAR RATE.

UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A NEW BILL THIS WEEK.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A NEW BILL NEXT WEEK.

YOU'RE CALLING A CUSTOMER SERVICE LOCATION.

THEY'RE TELLING YOU ONE THING, W WE'RE SAYING ENOUGH, WE NEED CONSISTENCY NEEDS TO START RIGHT HERE.

AND WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE RESIDENTS, NOT TO REPUBLIC, REPUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, THIS COUNCIL SAID WE SHOULD GO WITH THEM.

UM, AND, UH, AND I JUST THINK THIS WHOLE THING HAS BEEN BEEN FOOD BOARD.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, OR WE'RE EVEN ABLE TO, UH, TO PADDLE THIS SHIT BACKWARDS, UH, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALREADY DOWNSTREAM.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW IS, UH, I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY, EVERY DAY I'M GETTING MULTIPLE EMAILS, TEXTS, AND CALLS ABOUT TRASH, AND FRANKLY, I'M TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT TRASH.

UM, I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT ABOUT BILLING AND TRASH ISSUES.

SO, UM, SO, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIG, UH, MY BIG SOAP BOX FOR THE EVENING.

MA'AM YES.

I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD MORE OF JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, JENNIFER BEARD.

UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION I'M ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAS NOT PAID A CART.

I HAVE, I PICKED UP ONE FROM LOWE'S AND THEN I MIGHT RECYCLE, SO I HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING FOR LIKE A TRASH CART.

I ONLY HAVE THE RECYCLE, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN OPTION, WHICH NOW SOUNDS LIKE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT I WOULD NOW BE PAYING FOR A CART THAT I DON'T EVEN HAVE.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? OR AM I COMPLETELY OFF BASE? AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THERE, IF YOU'RE NOT USING, UH, CARTS AS BEFORE YOU WOULDN'T PAY THE RENTAL FEE FOR IT.

AND THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE PUT OUT IN THE BID OF TO ALLOW FOR YOU TO USE YOUR OWN CARTS FOR TRASH.

SO YOU WOULD NOT BE CHARGED FOR, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE THE BASE RATE OF 1454

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A MONTH.

SO THEN ANYONE WHO DOES USE A CART WOULD HAVE THE FEE ON TOP OF THAT 1454, THEN IF THEY HAD THE TRASH CART, CORRECT.

LIKE THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT, IT WAS A DOLLAR 77 PER MONTH.

CAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT WAS KIND OF PRESENTED.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND WE HAD, SO RICHARD, TO YOUR POINT, WE HAD THE, UM, SO THE CONVERSATION WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS ABOUT 300 SCOTT.

REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER 311, 315.

SO IT'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, THAT WERE NEVER CHARGED FOR A CART.

UM, I'VE NEVER BEEN CHARGED FOR A CARD EITHER.

SO I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT RICHARD AND I ARE TWO PEOPLE OUT OF 311, JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT.

IF THE NUMBER REALLY IS ONLY 311, PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN OVERCHARGED FOR A CART THAT IS SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE 14,000 ACCOUNTS.

AND TWO OF US JUST HAPPEN TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

MAYBE THREE OF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER BEEN CHARGED FOR A CART.

SO I THINK THE, WHICH IS WHY I THINK THAT AUDIT REALLY, REALLY HAS TO HAPPEN.

SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THEN AGAIN IN THE BILLING, THE BILLING BECOMES CONSISTENT.

SO, UM, AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO START CHARGING ME FOR A CAR, THEY COME PICK UP MY CARD.

BECAUSE YEAH, YOUR LETTER, I'M GOING TO CALL HIM AND SAY, HOW ABOUT YOU BRING ME A BRAND NEW ONE BECAUSE THE ONE I HAVE IS IF I GOT TO PAY FOR ANY, BRING ME ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MARY, THAT BRINGS ME UP TO ANOTHER ISSUE.

UM, AND JERRY, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT SIGNED, UM, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, WE LOOK INTO BECAUSE IN SECTION TWO, PARAGRAPH THREE OF THE CONTRACT, IT STATES THAT HAVE THE RECYCLING BINS SHALL BE BLUE WITH AN ATTACHED YELLOW LID.

I DON'T HAVE A YELLOW LID ON MY RECYCLING.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RECYCLING CONTAINER IN THE CITY THAT HAS A YELLOW.

SO ARE WE GOING TO BE, ARE WE GOING TO BE ALL GETTING NEW RECYCLING CONTAINERS, ACTUALLY THE NEW, THE NEW ONES THEY'RE DELIVERING NOW HAVE A BLUE TOP.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

I HAVE TWO RECYCLING CARTS AND ONE HAS A GREEN TOP AND ONE HAS A BLUE TOP.

MY TRASH CAN, HAS A, HAS A DARK BLUE TOP.

MY RECYCLING CAN HAS A LIGHT BLUE TOP AND THEN A DARK GREEN TOP.

AND, AND HOW I CAME TO THAT IS ACTUALLY THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME BY A RESIDENT, UM, ON TOP OF A 25 MINUTE RANT, UH, WHERE I THINK I SAID SIX WORDS AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME KNOW I'M A MAN OF MANY WORDS.

UM, THIS PERSON DID NOT LET ME GET MANY IN, UM, AND, UM, I THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY.

UM, BECAUSE THIS IS AGAIN, JUST A, ANOTHER, I THINK WE'RE AT PROBABLY 20 PLUS ISSUES HERE BETWEEN BILLING CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THIS CONTRACT.

I I'M AT MY END.

MA'AM YES, MR. HILL.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO RUMP KEY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WE HAD THE, THE GRANDSON OF THE FOUNDER OF RUM KEY STAND HERE IN THIS ROOM.

TELL US WE CANNOT HONOR THIS CONTRACT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH REPUBLIC.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GOING BACK TO RUMP KEY IN THIS THING.

SO WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIX THIS.

YES, KATE, I THINK IF WE KNOW A RESIDENT HAVING TROUBLE, WE NEED TO, AS A CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR ADDRESSES TO SCOTT AND SCOTT CAN WORK WITH REPUBLICANS TO MANAGE THEM.

SO GET YOUR RESIDENT'S NAME AND NUMBERS AND ADDRESS INCENTIVE FROM SCOTT AND LET THEM WORK ON IT.

AND I THINK FOR MOST OF US WE'VE HANDLED THE INFORMATION THAT WAY, BUT THERE FOR A, THERE WAS SO MANY, IF WE SENT EVERY ONE OF THOSE TO SCOTT, SCOTT WOULD HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO MANAGE THE CITY.

HE WOULD BE, HE WOULD BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN US AND REPUBLIC, WHICH, WHICH HE IS, WHICH HE IS.

BUT, UM, YEAH, I JUST THINK OVERALL AS A COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO US.

THEY NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO US.

WE'VE THEY KNOW WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE.

WE GOT TO CONTINUE TO EXPRESS THE URGENCY THAT THEY GET THIS RIGHT, BECAUSE THE LEVEL RIGHT NOW IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE, UH, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

IT JUST ISN'T.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, UM, GOT OUT OF THAT CONTRACT, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T SIGNED THE NEW ONE, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS.

AND, AND I THINK OVERALL, MOST PEOPLE ARE SATISFIED FROM THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PAYING A HECK OF A LOT MONEY, HECK A LOT LESS MONEY FOR TRASH NOW THAN THEY WERE, IF THEY WERE OUT ON THEIR OWN, PROBABLY A THIRD OF THE COST OF WHAT IT WOULD BE.

SO, SO IT IS, WE HAVE SAVED THE RESIDENTS A TON OF MONEY OVER THE PAST SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY? RIGHT? AND, AND, AND, AND TRYING TO CONTINUE THAT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO US AND OUR RESIDENTS AND THE 14,000 HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE SERVICE WITH US.

IN THE MAIL FOR $9 AND 16 CENTS MORE ON MY TRASH PICKUP.

THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS I HAVE ONE TRASH CAN, ONE RECYCLE, CAN THEY PICK UP THE RECYCLE CAN EVERY TWO WEEKS? OKAY.

TWO WEEKS AGO, I GET A BILL

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SO THAT'S THAT.

SO I PAID 38, 88 FOR EVERY THREE MONTHS.

NOW IT'S GOING TO GO UP TO $41 AND SOMETHING, THE $9 DIFFERENCE THAT YOU WERE BUILT.

AND WE HAD THIS ISSUE.

THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO SAID, HEY, I GOT A BILL FOR THREE BUCKS.

WHAT DO I DO? I GOT TO BUILD FOR $6.

I GOT TO BILL FOR $9.

SO BIG BECAUSE THE NEW CONTRACT STARTED ON JULY 1ST.

EVERYBODY'S QUARTERLY, BILL CYCLE IS DIFFERENT.

SO SOME PEOPLE MIGHT'VE HAD A BILL THAT RAN JUNE, JULY, AUGUST FOR THOSE THREE MONTHS.

AND IF THE NEW CONTRACT STARTED IN JULY, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD ONE MONTH OF YOUR BILL FOR THE OLD RATE.

AND THEN TWO MONTHS OF THAT QUARTERLY BILL AT THE NEW RATE AND AT THE NEW RATE, THAT'S WHAT GENERATED THE INCREASE OF A $3, $6, $9 BILL, INCLUDING THE MISCALCULATION OR THE MISSED PAYMENT, NOT THE MISSED PAYMENT, BUT THE INCORRECT PAYMENT OF A CART OR TWO CARTS PAYING ON HOW MANY THAT YOU HAD.

SO FOR SOMEONE WHO HAD A BILL THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, THEY HAD TWO MONTHS AT THE OLD RATE AND ONLY ONE MONTH AT THE NEW RATE, WHICH GENERATED THE $3 PRORATED PAYMENT.

SO I KNOW SCOTT HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE REP HAD TOLD US, IN FACT, IT WAS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT PAYING THAT AT THE MOMENT.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANYBODY, ANY FEES OR ANY INTEREST PENALTIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THAT MISCOMMUNICATION AND THAT MISCALCULATION, BUT THAT'S WHAT ALL THOSE SMALLER BILLS WERE, WAS A PRORATED AMOUNT BASED ON WHEN YOUR BILLING CYCLE WAS ANYBODY WHO'S BILLING CYCLE COMES UP AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN F UH, STARTING IN JULY, JULY, AUGUST, AND SEPTEMBER, THEY WOULD HAVE JUST GOT A NEW BILL FOR THE NEW RATE.

THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PRORATED AMOUNT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT STARTED IN JULY.

SO THE NEW BILL NOW IS GOING TO BE $41.

IN SOME SENSE, IT WOULD BE THE 50, 15 54.

AND THEN, UM, 15 54, 14 54, WHICH WOULD BE, WAS A 43 43 62.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A CART UNDER WHETHER, WHETHER THIS NEGOTIATION COMES OUT, THAT THE CARTS IS INCLUDED IN THE BASE RATE, THEN THE BILL WOULD JUST BE 43 62, WHERE THEY'RE CHARGING ME FOR A CART.

WELL, WHICH IS ALL PART OF OUR, ALL OUR FRUSTRATION, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME PEOPLE, THEY ARE SOMETIMES UNDER THE NEW CONTRACT, UNDER THE NEW BILL.

THEY'RE CHARGING A RATE FOR THE CARD THAT WE BELIEVE IS INCORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHY OUR, OUR, OUR LEGAL IS INVOLVED, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ALL IS ALL WORKED OUT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE WORKED OUT.

I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S BILLS WILL BECOME CONSISTENT.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT REPUBLIC WILL ISSUE CREDITS ON FUTURE BILLS IF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OVERCHARGED AND HAVE OVERPAID, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S A TRANSITION TIME GOING FROM THE OLD CONTRACT INTO THE NEW CONTRACT THAT I THINK TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO BE PATIENT IS ALMOST AN, AN MAYBE AN OVERSTATEMENT EVEN BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY PATIENT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'LL GET WORKED OUT AND PEOPLE'S BILL WILL, IT WILL LEVEL.

AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF FRUSTRATION.

I DO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.

AND I BELIEVE EVENTUALLY EVERYBODY'S BILLS WILL BE CORRECT, AND YOU'LL BE CREDITED ANY OVERPAYMENTS OR OVERCHARGES THAT THAT HAPPENED.

BUT THAT IS ONE THING WE'VE NEVER REALLY DISCUSSED WAS THOSE SMALL PRORATED BILLS.

AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF WHEN YOUR QUARTERLY CYCLE RUNS, HOW MANY MONTHS WE'RE IN THE NEW, UNDER THE NEW CONTRACT, HOW MANY MONTHS OF YOUR QUARTERLY PAYMENT WAS IN THE OLD CONTRACT BECAUSE THOSE RATES ARE, ARE DIFFERENT.

SO YOU, YOU MADE A STATEMENT A LITTLE BIT AGO, YOU WAS PAYING THREE 30, $3 EVERY THREE MONTHS.

WELL, HOW YOU GETTING IT SO CHEAP? THAT'S UM, I I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT MY BILL, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WAS INVOICED ON FEBRUARY 16TH, 2020, ONE $33 AND 57 CENTS.

THE 2021 CONTRACT, REGULAR PUBLIC WAS $11 AND 19 CENTS A MONTH.

WILL BE NO KETCHUP FEES ON CARTS.

AND 11, 19 A MONTH TIMES, THREE MONTHS IS 33 57.

SO THAT'S WHAT HE'S PAYING AND HE'S NOT, AND HE HASN'T BEEN CHARGED FOR A CART.

EVERYBODY ELSE WAS PAYING 33 57 A MONTH OR A QUARTER FOR THE, FOR THE TRASH RATE.

BUT THEN SOME PEOPLE WERE BEING CHARGED A DOLLAR 77 FOR A CART PER MONTH.

SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T AS MR. SHAW AND I, UM, SOME PEOPLE WERE BEING CHARGED FOR TWO NOW.

SO THE, I DROVE DOWN BRENT PIKE THE OTHER DAY, AND I SAW FOUR CARTS, YOU KNOW, BESIDE THE HOUSE STUFF, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO YELLOW LIDS.

I HAVE NO IDEA IF THOSE ARE ALL RECYCLES OR DOES SOMEBODY HAVE TO TRASH CARDS TO RECYCLE CARTS WERE ALL THREE OF THEM TRASH.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF THEY'RE BE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S ONE REASON I THINK REPUBLIC ABSOLUTELY HAS TO DO AN AUDIT ON ALL THEIR CARTS.

THEIR BILLING IS NEVER GOING TO BE RIGHT.

AND I'M JUST SAYING TO YOU REPUBLIC AS A CORPORATION, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO ALL HAS YOUR CARTS AND WHAT KIND, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOUR BILLING BE? WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT LATER ON, DOWN, DOWN THE LINE IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CHARGING PEOPLE FOR THESE CARTS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, BANG, YOU GET A BIG BILL FOR HOWEVER LONG WE'VE HAD THE CLUB.

WE, WE, WE WOULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.

THERE, THERE

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I MEAN, THERE'S, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL NOT, THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I DO THINK WE'RE CLOSE.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY SHARE ANY INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE PUT OUT SOCIAL MEDIA WHAT THE NEW BILLS SHOULD BE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE BEGGING FOR INFORMATION THAT'S INFORMATION THEY GAVE US.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE RELEASED.

AND NOW THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY PER CART.

WHAT THAT UNDERSTANDING WAS, AGAIN, OUR LEGAL TEAM HAS GOTTEN INVOLVED AND WE'RE GOING TO GET SO, SO NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL HAS SIT DOWN WITH REPUBLIC TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A CONTRACT TO GET A YES.

SO, SO THE LEGEND, I SIGNED THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT.

SO THE APPROVAL TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT ON MAY THE 25TH, BUT THE CONTRACT, THE ACTUAL, THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE SIGNED BECAUSE THE LEGISLATION THAT I SIGNED ALLOWED, UH, WAS AUTHORIZED BY CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW THIS, THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO THAT CONTRACT.

THEN THAT CONTRACT HASN'T PHYSICALLY BEEN SIGNED BY THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOW, MR. MCCASKEY DID ASK ME TO SIT IN ON A MEETING WITH, UH, SOME OF THE REPUBLIC REPS THAT WERE HERE.

WE HAD A MEETING HERE, AND I CAN CERTAINLY ASSURE YOU THAT I, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T NICE WHEN IT CAME TO A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING AND KIND OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

UM, SO, UH, I KNOW THE FRUSTRATIONS, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE ON COUNCIL AND MESSAGED ME AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT THEIR FRUSTRATIONS.

AND, AND I SPOKE TO THEM ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL, WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND, AND YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO FIX IT.

SO THERE WERE FOUR OF THEM HERE LOOKING AT ALL OF US, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE AS WELL.

UM, BUT BASICALLY THE NEXT BILL, WHICH SHOULD BE THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, WE WON'T KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL, WELL, OH MY I'M HOPEFUL.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO BILLING CYCLES, EVERYTHING SETTLES, EVENS OUT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'LL BE SOME TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 14,000 ACCOUNTS IN THE CITY.

SO AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR BILLING CYCLE AND THEY'RE GENERATING NEW BILLS, UM, EVERYBODY WHO MAY BE OVERPAID FOR A CART AND A, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THEY CAN HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURACY THE FIRST GO AROUND WHEN YOU START ISSUING CREDITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND BUILD ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT I THINK ANY OF US WHO'VE EVER WORKED IN EVER WORKED ANYWHERE, NO, THERE'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE RIGHT OFF THE BAT OR, OR ANYTIME.

SO I THINK THERE'LL BE A PROCESS OF MAKING THOSE CREDITS AND GETTING THOSE BILLS ADJUSTED.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY WILL GET CREDITED THE RIGHT AMOUNT IF THEY HAVE MADE AN OVERPAYMENT.

AND I BELIEVE ALL THE BILLS WILL SETTLE TO WHAT THE AGREED UPON CONTRACT IS BASED ON WHAT OUR LEGAL TEAM DISCUSSES AND GETS WORKED OUT WITH REPUBLIC.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE THERE.

THIS WILL ALL COME TO A SATISFACTORY END.

IT'S A MATTER OF, I THINK A COUPLE OF BILLING CYCLES IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THROUGH THIS AND GET THE PROPER ADJUSTMENTS AND CREDITS BACK TO EVERYBODY'S BUILDING WHO DESERVES ONE.

YOU SHOULD HAVE ONE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD.

JUST QUESTION IF, UH, WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT CYCLES THAT THEY'RE JUGGLING, HOW DID WE GET THREE DIFFERENT CYCLES WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS SET FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AT THE SAME DATE? HOW DID THAT, HOW DID WE END UP ON THREE DIFFERENT BILLING CYCLES? YEAH.

WELL, I THINK BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAD A BILL THAT WAS DUE IN JUNE, SO I'M TALKING TO THE WHOLE CONTRACT STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO, SAME TIME.

EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SAME BILLING CYCLE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

PEOPLE MOVE IN AND OUT OF THE CITY.

SO, I MEAN, YOU HAVE, I MEAN, IF I MOVED INTO THE CITY AND I NEED A TRASH SERVICE IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY, BUT I MEAN, SO OVER A PERIOD OF EIGHT YEARS, IMAGINE EVERYBODY WHO'S MOVED INTO THE CITY AND MOVED OUT OF THE CITY WHO CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT TIMES BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID TO HIM IN THE MEETING WE HAD IS LOOK, ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST 1ST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE CITY WHO DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW WHO ARE GOING TO START ON ANOTHER BILLING CYCLE.

SO, SO ALL, SO I MEAN, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS.

SO I'M NOT BEING REPUBLIC OVER THE HEAD WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER YET.

BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LOTS OF ISSUES WITH 14,000 ACCOUNTS.

THAT'S A LOTS OF BILLS.

ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO GET WORKED OUT, BUT NOW THERE'S A NEW CONTRACT.

THEY'VE GOT TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND ISSUING THEIR NEW BILLS AND EVERYBODY'S BILLS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS, IS, IS LOOKING TO HAVE HAPPEN.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, WE'RE ASKING OUR CITY MANAGER AND LAW DIRECTOR TO, TO MAKE SURE HAPPENS.

MY BILLING INVOICE ON MAY 16TH, 2021 HAD RESIDENTIAL SERVICE FROM JUNE 1ST THROUGH AUGUST 31ST REPUBLIC HAD NO IDEA THAT THEIR CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED.

SO GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

AND KATE, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND OR WAS RICKY MR. SHAW? YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, TO, TO KIND OF CONTINUE GLEN'S QUESTION THERE, IF REPUBLIC WAS AT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR CONTRACT WAS GOING TO END ON JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR,

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SO THEY RIGHT OFF THE BAT WAS BILLING ME FOR SERVICE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE WENT TO RUNKEE.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THEY HAD BEEN DOING THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS, THEY KNEW THE CONTRACT ENDED ON JUNE 30TH.

WHY DID THEIR INVOICE BILLING CYCLE NOT STOP ON JUNE 30TH? AND IN RETROSPECT, THE NEW CONTRACT WOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON JULY 1ST.

LOOK, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, BUT I DON'T WORK FOR PUBLIX.

I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, BUT I GET, I GET IT.

I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I HAD THAT ANSWER, THIS WOULD BE A LOT EASIER CONVERSATION, BUT, BUT WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I MEAN, THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY ALL THE THINGS THAT THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS PIECE, THEY NEED TO BE WORKED OUT.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE SEVEN YEARS WHEN WE WENT THIS THROUGHOUT, UH, THE COUNCIL.

JUST ONE COMPANY COMING INTO HERE AND BACK THEN EVERYBODY WAS PAYING FROM 62 TO 66.

SO RIGHT NOW WITH, I WOULD GET WITH REPUBLIC.

REPUBLIC HAS BEEN VERY GOOD OVER THE YEARS, I THINK.

AND EVEN WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE PAYING LESS, WELL, WE WERE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE COMPANY COMING INTO THE HEIGHTS.

THE STREETS ARE IN BAD ENOUGH SHAPE WITHOUT HAVING MORE PEOPLE TEAR UP, TEAR UP THE STREETS.

SO I WOULD SAY, GO OUT AND TRY TO GET WITH THIS REPUBLIC TO IRON IT OUT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GOOD.

IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS THE DEL PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

WELL, I TH I, I BELIEVE IF, IF SOMEBODY CALLED TODAY AND TRIED TO CALLED WASTE MANAGEMENT OR EVEN CALLED REPUBLIC OR CALLED SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT, I MEAN, THEIR BILL WOULD PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, 25 BUCKS A MONTH.

I REMEMBER IT $75 A QUARTER, PROBABLY 50 YEARS AGO WHEN I LIVED OVER ON TILBURY, UH, DEMPSEY, WHICH IS PART OF REPUBLIC.

THEY WERE VERY GOOD.

SO IT'S THE SAME COMPANY IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR YEARS.

SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED FOR SCOTT? I KNOW WE'VE HAD ENOUGH CONVERSATIONS.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT SCOTT AND JERRY KNOW ALL THE ISSUES UNCOMPLICATING AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.

I'M CONFIDENT YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO GO.

UH, BUT CERTAINLY WENT OFF HER UPTIME FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

WHO HAS ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, WITH DISCUSSION AROUND THE PUBLIC? YES, RICHARD, I'LL JUST REITERATE MAYOR THAT I'D LIKE TO BE IN THE KNOW WHEN THE CITY MANAGER AND THE, UH, MALL DIRECTOR HAVE SOME INFORMATION, NEEDS TO BE PASSED TO EVERYBODY.

EVERY MEMBER ON THIS DIES, I'M NOT A FAN OF READING THINGS ON THE FACEBOOK OR THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS.

UM, BEFORE I CAN GET BACK TO A RESIDENT FOR A ABSOLUTELY SCOTT.

SO I'LL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW UP NEXT UP

[ Dial Park Improvements]

SO I BELIEVE THIS DISCUSSION, WHAT WOULD BE LEFT DIAL THAT WE LEFT OFF LAST TIME TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE JUST THE BIKE TRAILS.

SO IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS HERE.

UM, DECEIVING.

SO, UM, TH THIS, UH, THIS DISCUSSION IS THERE THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS TO THIS.

UM, FROM OUR LAST DISCUSSION, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT FATS DIAL PARK ABOUT, UH, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE PORTION THROUGH THE WOODED AREAS.

AND WE DID TALK ABOUT, UH, PARKING AND BUFFERING OF THAT.

UM, ALSO IN THAT DISCUSSION, IT WAS, UH, ASKED OF CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE OTHER PARKS THAT WERE PROPOSED AT THIS, UH, THE OTHER, UH, TRAILS, THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND, AND THE PUMP TRACK ABOUT, UH, OTHER LOCATIONS THAT COULD WORK FOR THIS.

SO STARTING WITH PART ONE OF THIS, UH, IS, UH, WHAT WE'VE COME BACK WITH IS, UM, THIS IS THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE, UH, THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS.

UM, AND THEN THE LEAST OBTRUSIVE PARKING PLAN WOULD BE THAT STRAIGHT IN, UM, TO A PARKING LOT THAT KIND OF, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL SAY MASS, SO ON ONE SIDE BY A SET OF TREES.

UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, MR. KING, UH, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BUFFERING IDEAS THAT YOU'VE HAD ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK, UM, AND HOW THAT GOES.

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UM, PULL THIS OVER HERE.

THE POINTER ON HERE WON'T SHOW UP VERY WELL, BUT IN THIS TOP CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT SOME BUFFER ALONG THE ROAD AND A BUFFER SPACE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE RESIDENTS THERE AS WELL.

UM, SOME OF THE TREES THAT WE'VE USED IN THE OTHER PARKS THAT CREATE A GOOD SHIELD, LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOME CAR PINUS, OR WE HAVE SOME, UH, FLAME TIP OAKS THAT WE'VE USED AT OTHER PLACES AS WELL.

AND THEY GROW ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND, BUT NOT WHY THEY KIND OF FAN OUT AND COME BACK TO A POINT.

SO IT STILL GIVES VISIBILITY UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, TO SEE FOOT TRAFFIC, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, THE STRAIGHT-THROUGH VISIBILITY.

UM, SO WE CAN PLANT SOME OF THOSE ALONG THE ROAD AND IN BETWEEN THERE TO CREATE A NICE NATURAL BUFFER, UM, TO BLOCK THAT PARKING LOT.

BUT IT'LL STILL GIVE VISIBILITY PULLING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND OUT, BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF THAT CURVE THERE THAT WE'VE ALL HAD CONCERNS ABOUT.

SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL SAY THIS, THIS IS PART, ONE OF, UM, WHETHER WE'D LIKE TO, WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UM, BID FOR THE TRAILS.

UM, THAT IS PART OF WHAT, UH, THE LEGISLATION THAT HAS, UH, GONE TO FOUR READINGS BEFORE.

UM, SO THAT CAN BE MODIFIED AT MONDAYS, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEETING TO INCLUDE JUST THE PORTION HERE AT DIAL PARK.

AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD, UM, IF THIS IS THE PLAN TO GO FORWARD WITH, WE WOULD, UH, HAVE NEW LEGISLATION FOR THE PARKING LOT ITSELF, UH, TO ADVERTISE, BID AND AWARD ON THAT THE, UH, THE ROUGH ESTIMATE OF THAT, UH, IS ABOUT 60 TO $70,000 FOR THE PARKING LOT AND, UH, BUFFERING WITH THAT.

SO, UH, WE WILL PUT TOGETHER LEGISLATION ON THAT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL.

YES, MICHELLE, THANK YOU.

UM, JOE, JOSH GOT, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, I, I THINK THE PARKING LOT, UH, DESIGN, UM, IS, IS SUITABLE.

I THINK THE COMPROMISES THERE.

UM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT CURVE LINE OF SIGHT.

UM, ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THAT, UM, AS YOU'RE EXITING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, A RIGHT TURN ONLY JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS, UH, WITH THE CURB TO TRY TO HAMPER THAT DOWN AND CAN WE PUT A SIGN THERE RIGHT.

TURN ONLY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUE FOR PEOPLE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, OVER ON SANDHILL VIEW BAY VIEW, RUSTIC WOODS, THAT I GOT TO GO AROUND A LITTLE BIT, JUST FOR SAFETY SAKE, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD REALLY BE AFFECTED.

I WILL LOOK AT IT CLOSER, UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

I DO KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS HAVING SOME, NO PARKING ON THE STREETS IN THAT AREA GOING DOWN THAT YES.

IN THAT HILL.

SO, UM, I'LL LOOK AT THAT CLOSER ABOUT, UH, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT OR, UM, WHETHER A LEFT TURN IS ACCEPTABLE THERE.

YEAH, GLEN, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY WHERE ARE THE, THE BLUE CONNECTORS ARE TWO, A COUPLE OF DIAL ONE, THE SANDAL VIEW.

WHAT WAS THAT LAST ONE DOWN THERE? UM, LET'S BRING YOU INTO THE RED VIEW.

UM, THOSE ALL CONNECTORS THERE, THOSE ARE PURELY FOR, WE'RE NOT SETTING UP ANY TYPE OF PARKING OR ANY OTHER ENTRANCE OUTSIDE OF THIS PARKING LOT.

THERE WILL BE NOTHING AT THE END OF SANDAL VIEW, NOTHING AT THE END TO RENDU NONE OF THAT STUFF.

WELL, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY LOCAL ACCESS ONLY EXISTING.

THOSE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS.

UM, THOSE WOULD BE FOOT TRAFFIC ONLY, NO ADDITIONAL PARKING OTHER THAN THAT LOT AT THE TOP.

EXCELLENT.

AND THEN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE WITH THIS, WE WOULD GO BACK TO PARKS AND REC BOARD AND DISCUSS AND GET NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT ABOUT IF ANYTHING WERE TO BE PUT IN THE, UH, OPEN AREA, AS FAR AS SHELTER PLAYGROUND, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE FUTURE.

UM, I KNOW THOSE, SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS WERE BROUGHT UP.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN TAKE BACK TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD AND, UH, AND MOVE ON TO AT A LATER TIME.

JUST TO COMMENT ON, ON JOSHUA'S LAST COMMENTS.

UH, YEAH.

I WOULD LIKE TO EVENTUALLY SEE SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE UP THERE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, SMALL PLAYGROUND PIECE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND COVERED SEATING AREA AND WHATEVER HALF COURT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE KIDS DO SOMETHING, BUT I'M NOT IN A BIG HURRY ON THAT.

WE'VE BEEN MOVING PARKS ALONG VERY WELL.

I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THAT.

AND IT'S NOT A HUGE CONCERN WITH ME RIGHT NOW, BUT, BUT YEAH, VERY SIMPLE ONE IN THE FUTURE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT DOWN HERE.

SAM WILL BE RIGHT IN THE BACK IN THE BACK.

SEE THE BLACK LINES ON THE MAP.

THE ONLY PARKING LOT WILL BE THE ONE AT COMING IN THAT MAIN POT SPOT UP AT THE TOP.

SEE ALL THE WAY THAT'S OUT THERE.

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THAT THAT'LL BE THE ONLY PARKING AREA RIGHT THERE.

THERE WILL BE NOTHING IN ANY OF THE DEAD ENDS.

AND THEN THESE DOWN HERE, THIS BLUE LINE ON THE LEFT IS SAYING, IT'LL BE, THAT'S THAT BIG STAIRCASE THAT GOES UP TO THE ACCESS POINT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS POINTS TO THAT PROPERTY.

YET.

THERE CARS, THERE WERE, THEY PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT WILL BE UP THERE, RIGHT.

ONLY IF PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WALKING IN.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THOSE, THOSE ENTRANCES, YEAH.

THERE WILL BE NO TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA ON SAND WITH YOU THERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE NO.

WELL, I MEAN, I CAN'T CONTROL SOMEBODY THAT DECIDES TO PARK THERE AND WALK IN, BUT THAT HAPPENS AT ALL OF OUR PARKS.

AND ANOTHER QUESTION IS, WHY DO WE WANT TO RUN SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SITE THAT WE HAVE UP THERE, MOTHER NATURE, NATURE RIGHT THERE.

WHY DO WE WANT TO RUN THAT? OKAY.

GLENN, FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AREA, DAVE, IF I MAY, THE, THE, THE TRAILS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE ALREADY EXISTING.

THEY'RE ALREADY IN THOSE WOODS, THE KIDS ALREADY USE THEM.

ALL WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS CLEAN THEM UP, JUST CLEAN THEM UP AND MAKE THEM A LITTLE MORE PRESENTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH AND BIKE THROUGH.

SO THEY'RE NOT AS DANGEROUS AND CLEAN.

SO THEY'RE RIDING QUAD RUNNERS AND STUFF UP THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT BURDEN.

THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

WELL, IT'S HAD HAPPENED CAUSE I HEAR HIM UP THERE ALL THE TIME.

OH, I KNOW.

AND THAT AGAINST ILLEGAL IN THE CITY, IT IS.

THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE.

AND WE'VE ASKED HIM, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE SITUATION? WHEN WE SEE IT, WE TRY TO LET SOMEBODY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SEE IF WE CAN CATCH THEM.

AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN DO.

NO DIFFERENT THAN SPEEDING.

NO DIFFERENT THAN RUDE DRIVERS.

I MEAN, PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT WE DON'T LIKE.

UM, AND, AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT ONE BY ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALLOWABLE.

AND, UH, WHERE'S THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM OUR, FOR ALL THIS PROJECT.

IT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, UM, BOTH BIKE PARK PROJECTS.

SO THE MONEY'S ALREADY BEEN ASSIGNED.

SO WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM OUT OF PARKS FUND? HOW THE PARKS FUND AND WHO PAID FOR THAT MONEY COMES IN AND TAXPAYERS, RIGHT? YES, INDEED.

SO WE'RE PAYING, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT.

DO YOU HAVE THAT ALL DONE UP THERE, RIGHT? YES.

YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO COST.

WHAT WAS THAT? 30 TO $60,000, BUT A PARKING LOT IN UP THERE THAT, THAT THE PARKING LOT AND PLANTINGS AND EVERYTHING ABOUT 60,000.

WELL, DON'T YOU THINK, DON'T YOU THINK DON'T YOU THINK THIS, THE, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BALLOT FOR US TO VOTE ON THAT INSTEAD OF GOING BEHIND OUR BACKS? I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, DAVID, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT BEHIND ANYBODY'S BACK.

I'VE BEEN TALKING PARKS FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME AND LOOKING TO BUFFER OUR PARKS AND MAKE THEM A LOT BETTER AND ADD MORE AMENITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND THAT'S, IT'S JUST ANOTHER PARK SPACE FOR KIDS TO PLAY.

CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE IN THAT AREA.

WELL, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN UP THERE IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DRUGS GOING ON UP THERE.

THAT'S THE SHIT IT LATE AT NIGHT, AND IT'S GOING TO RUIN OUR, OUR PROPERTY VALUE.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW TODAY, IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH, UH, THE HOPE IS THAT BY CLEANING THOSE UP AND GETTING RESPONSIBLE ADULTS IN THERE, RIDING THEIR BIKES AND WALKING WITH THEIR KIDS AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAMP DOWN ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN.

AND THIS IS ME KIND OF GETTING, GETTING UP A LITTLE BIT ON MY SOAP BOX, BUT I HEAR A CRIME IS GOING TO GO UP.

I HEAR VANDALISM'S GONNA GO UP.

I HEAR, UH, THESE ARE THINGS WE HEAR ALL THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT NEW STUFF.

I HAVE SEEN NO PROOF THAT A NEW PARK CREATES THOSE ISSUES.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, STATISTICALLY IT'S OPPOSITE.

WHEN YOU PUT IN PARK SPACE, IT BRINGS IN RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE TO HANG OUT AT THE PARK SPACE AND THOSE NO, BUT ALSO BRINGS IN PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

I, WELL, I, I PERSONALLY HAVE, UH, I'M NOT IN AGREEANCE WITH OTHERS WHO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE DRAW FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS CITY.

UM, THIS IS VERY SMALL SCALE COMPARED TO HOW BIG IS MOM ACREAGE? ACREAGE WISE, MAMBA IS CLOSER TO 90.

I BELIEVE OUR BIGGEST, THIS, UH, THAT WHOLE PROPERTY IS 18.

IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO AN ATTRACTION THAT BROUGHT WITHDRAWS PEOPLE IN FROM OUT OF, OUT OF THE AREA.

I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK.

I THINK I LOOK AT IT MORE AS A, A NICE AMENITY FOR THE PEOPLE AT HUBER HEIGHTS AND SOMETHING IN WARD, ONE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WARD ONE TO DO WELL.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE, UH, ON THE NEXT BALLOT FOR US TAXPAYERS TO VOTE ON THIS

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IT WOULD WORK THROUGH A PETITION DISHING PROCESS.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE PUT, UM, UH, BALLOT ITEMS OUT BEFORE AND MOSTLY FOR FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS.

UH, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT WE PUT OUT ARE NOT BINDING IN ANY MANNER.

IT'S MORE OF A RECOMMENDATION.

I BELIEVE WE'D FOLLOWED.

WE HAVE FOLLOWED THEM IN THE PAST FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I LIVED ON SANDOW VIEW FOR 19 YEARS AND IT'S A NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHY DO WE WANT TO RUN IT? WE'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, DAVE AND I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL RUIN IT.

I JUST, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT GETTING IS THOSE WHO SAY IT'S GOING TO RUIN THE AREA.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

HOW A PARK RUINS AN AREA.

THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT GETTING.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? ONE, GOT A HOMES ACROSS OR DIAL THERE, RIGHT? THE HOMES ARE FACING OR THE BACK OF IT IS FACING THE, THE PARK AND EVERYONE INSIDE WOODED AREA GARDEN, IT'S ALL INSIDE WOODED AREA.

YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, DAVE, THAT YOU DON'T SEE RIGHT NOW OUT OF YOUR BACK DOOR.

SO I THINK W W W WHAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS HERE.

I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY CHECKED THEIR EMAIL.

IF NOT, THERE WERE CERTAINLY OUR MAILBOX BACK THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT A PETITION.

WE CAN'T CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE PETITION THAT WAS CIRCULATED AND, AND HANDED OUT THAT HAS 73 SIGNATURES ON IT FROM PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE IN THE AREA, UM, WHO ARE, SO THAT WAS, I KNOW THERE WERE PETITIONS THAT WERE CIRCULATED PRIOR.

AND I THINK WE, UM, I SAID, MAN, I WISH I WAS HAD SOME DATES BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN WE AGREED TO MOVE, I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE PETITION MAY HAVE BEEN SIGNED WHEN IT WAS THE, UM, BIKE PLAYGROUND AND THE PUMP TRACK THAT WAS GOING TO GO IN THE OPEN SPACE.

I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE BEING UPSET ABOUT THAT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THE PODIUM AND SPOKE THAT NIGHT, I ASKED, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR ARE YOU AGAINST, UH, EVERYTHING ALTOGETHER? OR ARE YOU AGAINST WHAT'S THE WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE GREEN SPACE? OR ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE BIKE TRAILS KIND OF, WHAT IS IT? SO SOMEBODY IS, YOU KNOW, TAKING MY QUESTION TO HEART AND WENT AND THEY CIRCULATED MORE PETITIONS, AND NOW THEY'RE ALL DATED.

AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE BIKE TRAILS.

SO THERE'S 73 RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SIGNED A PETITION AGAINST THE ACTUAL BIKE TRAILS.

UM, AND THEY'RE ALL DATED AFTER JULY 14TH, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD HAVE BEEN AFTER OUR, OUR, OUR LAST MEETING OR AT THAT POINT.

SO, UM, UNTIL THERE A DISCUSSION, UM, AMONGST THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL REGARDING THAT PETITION AND WHAT THAT MEANS, THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US, UH, I'M CERTAINLY NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING THAT FORWARD UNTIL WE AT LEAST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND ADDRESS THAT ANYTHING, UH, YES.

UM, COUNCILWOMAN BAKER.

AND I WENT OUT, UH, ON SUNDAY, FRIDAY, WHATEVER, AT ANY RATE WE WENT OUT AND WE SPOKE WITH THE RESIDENT OUT THERE AND WALKED AROUND.

AND, AND I THINK ONE OF THE, UH, PRIMARY POINTS THAT BECAME VERY EVIDENT IS THAT THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS OUT THERE, OR IF THEY WANT ANYTHING.

AND SO, UM, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WANT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANYTHING.

UH, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.

UM, SO, UM, I THINK THAT OUR NEXT MOVE NEEDS TO BE, TO FIND A WAY TO SURVEY A LARGE PORTION OF THAT IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY.

BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION UP HERE, RIGHT? WITH YOU, SIR, GLEN, TO RESPOND TO THAT, I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF COMMUNITY INPUT.

I'VE ALWAYS REACHED OUT FOR AND LOOKED FOR IT AND, AND LISTENED TO IT.

UM, BUT TRUTH BE TOLD WE JUST POURED A CONCRETE PAD OVER MANITA PARK, AND THERE'S BEEN NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION TO FIND OUT WHAT RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA OR THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR ANY PLACE ELSE, UM, THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, THAT WAS NEVER, NEVER PUT OUT PUBLICLY FOR ANY TYPE OF DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER.

THIS PARK SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENT CASE FOR SOME REASON, BUT THAT WASN'T, AS FAR AS PROJECT COSTS, THEY'RE QUITE SIMILAR.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ABOUT A $700,000 PROJECT, I THINK, OVER THERE.

UM, PARDON? OH, NO.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THAT AREA WAS NOTIFIED OF THAT PARK SPACE MONDAY.

WHAT'S THAT? SO THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF WHAT, AS FAR AS

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I KNOW.

NO, I AGREE.

MAYBE THAT MAY BE TRUE.

THAT MAY VERY WELL BE TRUE.

I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE HERE, BUT WE JUST, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN TWO DIFFERENT TAX TO TWO DIFFERENT PARKS AND I WONDER WHY.

HOLD UP.

SO, SO LET'S, LET'S GET BACK TO SOME DECORUM HERE.

IF I UNDERSTAND, AND I WILL LET EVERYBODY SPEAK, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT YOU NEED TO COME TO THE PODIUM AS THIS GENTLEMAN HAS DONE.

AND, UM, I APPRECIATE NOT THE KIND OF THE, THE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

UH, CAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYBODY, WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY IS IMPORTANT AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HEAR IT.

UM, SO YEAH.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR RESIDENTS, SOME HAVE BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE OF THE GUYS HERE WAS 19 YEARS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE DECEMBER OF 82 AND IMPROVED MY PROPERTY QUITE A BIT.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO BUSINESS IN MOST IN THIS CITY, BUT IN MOST CITIES, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY, I'M PAYING TAXES AGAINST TO USE, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST PUT OUT SOME KIND OF INFORMATION TO LET ME KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE MY AREA OR DEGRADATION MY AREA.

AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU'VE DONE SOME THINGS THAT YOU JUST DID THEM AND THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA HAD NO INPUT.

THEN YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

NOW I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING YOU PUT OUT INFORMATION, BUT YOU DIDN'T PUT IT OUT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD ABSORB IT IN SUCH A WAY TO SEE HOW IT IMPACTS THE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES.

AND SO I'VE BEEN IN PRACTICE AS LONG AS I'D PROBABLY DIE IN HEBREW HIKES BECAUSE I PROBABLY WON'T MOVE AGAIN.

BUT I MEAN, IF THIS IS THE WAY YOU GUYS OPERATE BY JUST GOING OUT AND DOING STUFF AND THEN BACKTRACK AND LATER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO SERVE THE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS AROUND HERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL Y'ALL ON THIS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS COUNCIL DOING ALL THESE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT YOU DID THIS.

BUT, UM, AND I REMEMBER WHEN MOST OF YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN ELECTED AND VOTED FOR SOME OF YOU, BUT I MEAN, IF THIS IS THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS, HEY, HEY, WE NEED TO RETHINK HOW THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, TO PUT ALL OF US.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, JUST DON'T GO AND DO SOMETHING AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T DO IT OVER THAT.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO IT OVER HERE? THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT.

AND AT LEAST IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN VETTED PROPERLY SO THAT PEOPLE COULD MAKE A DECISION IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT IT.

IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT THAT IT WAS GREAT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO THROW THEIR HANDS UP AND SHOW YOU.

BUT IF IT'S NOT SO GREAT, WHICH A LOT OF US DON'T FEEL IT SO GREAT.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT YOU LIKE VILLAINS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I FEEL RIGHT NOW.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THAT LONG, A PERIOD OF TIME.

AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO FOR ME, LET ME KNOW HOW GOOD IT IS.

SO I HAVE AN IDEA TO JUDGE IT BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT'S PAYING FOR IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

UM, THERE'S LANDSCAPE THERE'S BUFFERING.

WELL, IF, IF, IF I CAN HAVE A MOMENT TO REPLY, SO THAT'S PROCESS, UM, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN ON AND ENDURED HERE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME OF YOU THAT MAY FEEL LIKE YOU WEREN'T NOTIFIED AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

BUT WE HAD ALSO BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE I ACTUALLY KIND OF THOUGHT THIS WAS, UM, MAYBE MOVING TOO FAST.

AND I HAD ACTUALLY ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, HOLD ON A SECOND.

I HAVE, WE SENT OUT, NOTICE THIS BECAUSE, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, IF THIS WAS A GAS STATION OR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON THERE, WHAT WOULD OUR NORMAL PROCESS BE? WHO WOULD WE NOTIFY FROM A ZONING CHANGE THAT WE HAD A DIFFERENT PLAN FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY? AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE WAS TO ADDRESS.

I SAID, LET'S STOP THIS BECAUSE WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE.

BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THERE WAS NO VISIBLE PARKING INSIDE OF THAT GREEN SPACE, THAT ORIGINAL PLAN THAT COUNSEL WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND, AND WE WERE TOLD LOTS OF RESEARCH AND DO INTO THIS, AND EVERYBODY WAS IN SUPPORT OF IT.

THAT'S HOW THIS GOT DOWN THIS ROAD AROUND HERE.

UM, SO HE SAID, WELL, HOLD ON, LET'S STOP THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST PARKING ON DIAL.

WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON LONGFORD, ESPECIALLY ON LONGFORD BECAUSE OF THE, THE HILL AND THE CURVE.

SO, SO I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR FRUSTRATIONS, BUT WHAT I WOULD DISAGREE WITH ABOUT IS THAT WE, WE DID CERTAINLY STOP THE PROCESS FOR MOVING FORWARD.

AND THIS IS NOW, AS HE MENTIONED, THIS IS ABOUT THE FOURTH READING OR THE FOURTH TIME WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION OPEN PUBLICLY.

SOME OF YOUR FACES I SEE ARE NEW.

SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THROUGH, THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BUT, BUT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND, AND WE, AND WE DID RECOGNIZE IT.

THERE ARE ISSUES HERE THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED.

AND, AND WE, WHEN WE STOPPED IT, WE DIDN'T MOVE ON TO ANY VOTE TO APPROVE ANYTHING.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS BACK ON THE TABLE.

AGAIN, DISCUSSION TONIGHT, SHOWING WELL HERE'S WHERE PARKING WOULD BE.

IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED THERE WOULDN'T BE PARKING ON THE SIDE ROADS.

SO THIS PROCESS

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HAS GONE TO TRY TO MAKE THE PARK BETTER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE ON OUR END, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE 73 SIGNATURES ON A PETITION THAT IN THE AREA WHO, WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH THIS, WHO'S TRYING TO STOP IT.

AND SO, SO I SAID AGAIN, TONIGHT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD UNTIL WE AT LEAST ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

AND THAT CONCERN THAT THERE ARE 73 RESIDENTS WHO'VE SAID, NO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS TOO, THAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE WITH THE SIMPLE FACT THAT, UM, THERE'S A TRAIL BACK THERE AND NOW THEY'RE JUST NOT DEVELOPED ALREADY.

WELL, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT'S SPENDING MY MONEY TO IMPROVE IT SO THAT A LOT OF THIS OTHER ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IT CAN BE DONE IN A BETTER VENUE IS SOMETHING THAT I LIKE TO SUPPORT ANYWAY, TOO.

I MEAN, MY PROBLEM IS THIS IS, IS IT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT GONNA MONITOR FOR SECURITY BACK THERE TO SEE WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF ILLICIT TRAFFIC AND DRUGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

PEOPLE BIKING AND CYCLING WOMEN GOING BACK AND FORTH THERE.

I MEAN A SECURITY ISSUE, RAPES ASSAULTS.

I MEAN, WE GOT A HATEFUL SOCIETY RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF HATE GOING ON AROUND HERE.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY.

I DON'T, I WAS READING SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 600 TO 670 K TO DO THIS, NOT NOW, THIS IS THE TRAIL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PROJECT.

IF THE BIKE PARK AND THE PUMP TRACK WOULD HAVE ALL BEEN THERE ALONG WITH THE TRAILS.

THAT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPROPRIATED.

SO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY THEN CONTRACTED, SO WE'RE JUST, SO EVERYONE KNOWS IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE'RE AT IS THE MONEY HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED, BUT NOW IT'S ABOUT AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT FOR THE COMPANY TO ACTUALLY BUILD THEM.

AND THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS WHAT IS NOW AT THE, WE'LL BE AT THE FOURTH READING.

SO, UM, SO IT HASN'T BEEN SLOW ROLLED.

IT HASN'T BEEN FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE THIS, IT HAS BEEN STOPPED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING THE RIGHT WAY, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERYONE'S CONCERNS WHO ARE IMPACTED OR WHO ARE AFFECTED BY IT.

SO THAT, THAT CERTAINLY IS MY GOAL.

IT'S REASON IT HAS STOPPED BECAUSE WE ASKED ABOUT CITIZEN INPUT AND, AND THE ISSUE OF PARKING.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT HAS GOT US NOW TO HAS GOT US TO THIS POINT.

WELL, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE WAY, THE WAY I PRAY WITH, UH, MAX PARK, WE DIDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT INPUT.

SO, RICHARD, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I D I D I DIDN'T MATTER.

UM, TO, TO YOUR POINT, SIR.

UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE ABOUT 2016.

UM, I CAN TELL YOU OF PROBABLY OVER 14, UH, TOWN HALL MEETINGS THAT I'VE DONE, THAT BEEN PUBLICIZED ON FACEBOOK, THE BIG DIGITAL BOARD HERE AT CITY HALL, I'VE BEEN HELD AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

INFORMATION'S BEEN PUT OUT ON FACEBOOK.

THIS COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT IT, PARKS AND REC BOARDS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IT.

SO THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN OUT THERE, UM, AND VARIOUS DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

MATTER OF FACT, THERE WAS EVEN A POSTING OF ONE OF MY COMMUNITY.

WELL, SEVERAL TIMES AT THE, AT THE LIBRARY, SENIOR CENTER, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO THE AVENUES TO OBTAIN THE INFORMATION HAD BEEN PUT OUT THE, THE RECEPTION OF THE INFORMATION.

WELL, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY.

UM, AND I SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

ON, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PETITION, UM, THAT HAS BEEN DONE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE PERSONALLY SPOKE WITH A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE TRAILS, PROVIDED THEM THE FACTS.

AND I HAVE GOTTEN COMMENTS AS TO, OH, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS TOLD OR, OH, THAT'S NOT THE INFORMATION I'VE HAD.

I CAN TELL YOU FIVE PEOPLE, AT LEAST ON THERE, UM, WHAT IT NEVER SIGNED.

IT HAD HAVING SEEN SOME OF THIS INFORMATION.

UH, SO I COULD ALMOST SAY THAT A MAJORITY OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY ALL OF THEM, UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD A, W WOULDN'T HAVE REMOVED THEIR SIGNATURE.

AS YOUR, UM, IF A COUNCIL PERSON ASKS YOU A QUESTION, I HAVE, THERE'S NO ISSUES AT ALL WITH YOU HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH A COUNCIL PERSON FROM THE PODIUM TO THE DYES, ALL GENERALIZED QUESTIONS.

HOLD ON.

I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO TURN INTO A JERK HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN, FOR SOME DECORUM FROM THE AUDIENCE, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THEIR TURN TO SPEAK, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO SPEAK FROM THE MICROPHONE.

NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY IS IMPORTANT, BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS FROM HOME.

AND WHEN YOU SPEAK FROM THE BACK ROW, THESE MICROPHONES DON'T PICK UP WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PODIUM THERE.

SO WE HAVE A MICROPHONE THERE.

IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, I NEED YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK IT THERE.

UM, WHAT I WOULD ALSO ASK IN THAT LEVEL OF DECORUM

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UH, THEY NEED TO BE DIRECTED AT ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING.

AND THEN CERTAINLY AT THAT POINT, I WILL OFFER ANY FOLLOWUP IN ANY CONVERSATION OR ANY BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ANY COUNCIL MEMBER, TO ANYBODY AT THE PODIUM, UH, WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE A PROPER MEETING AND PROPER DECORUM FOR EVERYBODY.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE RESPECT THAT.

SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MEETING AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT INFORMATION, AND EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD.

UM, WELL, MR. MAYOR, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE PEOPLE COME TO THE PODIUM AND TALK ABOUT TAXPAYER MONEY.

NOW, CAN YOU CLARIFY? IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PREVIOUS INFORMATION, I BELIEVE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS FROM THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET, WHICH IS PRIMARILY FUNDED, IF NOT ENTIRELY FUNDED BY THE PROCEEDS OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.

THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THE PARKS FUND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, PARKS ON GERRY AVENUE, WE DON'T CHARGE PEOPLE TO GO TO CLOUD PARTNER.

SO THE PARKS LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET DOESN'T RECEIVE REVENUE, BUT WE HAVE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER THAT GENERATES REVENUE THAT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THEN AS WE HAVE A PARK EXPENDITURE OF MONEY THAT WE WANT TO SPEND, WE MOVE THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE PARKS AND REC FUND.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY GETS SPENT FROM.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NO MONEY THAT GOES INTO THE PARKS FUND BECAUSE WE DON'T CHARGE TO GO TO THE PARKS.

SO TECHNICALLY, WOULD COUNCIL CONSIDER THIS TO BE A TAXPAYER FUNDED PROJECT, OR WOULD THEY CONSIDER IT BEING A, A PROJECT FUNDED BASED ON THE REVENUE OF THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HUBER HEIGHTS, TAXPAYERS, I PRESUME, BUT ALSO OTHER PATRONS OF THAT, THEN YOU START AS A HUGE FAN OF THE ROSE.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT AND KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT, BUT THERE'S THE, UM, SO ON ONE HAND I WOULD SAY, YES, YOU'RE 50%, RIGHT? BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S STILL BILLS AND A MORTGAGE THAT, THAT IS PAID BASED ON TAXES THAT ARE RECEIVED INTO THE TIF AREA.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE PROPERTY TAXES ON INCOME TAXES.

IT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE SOURCE OF FUNDING, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

AND I'D SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY 50%.

ACTUALLY, I HAD A QUESTION FOR HIM.

KATE, WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS PETITION? NO, IT WAS THE FIRST RESIDENT THAT SPOKE WITH YOU ON THIS PETITION.

UH, UH, MY PROPERTY FOR POINT OF INFORMATION, MY PROPERTY DOES BACK UP TO ONE OF THE TRAILS AND I HAVE NOT SIGNED A PETITION AND I HAVE NOT DECIDED CATEGORICALLY TO BE FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT.

I CONTINUED TO BE OPEN TO THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THE COUNCIL.

APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

MR. MAYOR CASTLE, IF YOU JUST TELL US YOUR NAME AND TELL US WHERE YOU LIVE, JUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE.

MY NAME IS JEFFERY.

NOW.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM TELLING YOU WHAT, WHERE I LIVE, BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS RIGHT BY THAT SANDAL VIEW AND ENTRANCE.

AND I BOUGHT THAT PLACE THREE YEARS AGO FOR THE SERENITY AND THE QUIETNESS OF, YOU KNOW, MY, MY WOODS IN MY BACKYARD.

AND I'M REALLY TROUBLED BY A LOT OF FOOT, FOOT TRAFFIC GOING UP THERE, LIKE RIGHT BY MY, MY BACKYARD AND UP AND BACK OF MY HOUSE.

I, I, I'M NOT TOO COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, I DID SIGN A PETITION.

SO, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY BECAUSE I'M RIGHT THERE AT THAT SANDAL VIEW ENTRANCE, AND I'M NOT, UH, RELISHING THE FACT OF A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THAT HILL RIGHT AT MY HOUSE.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

MR. WEBB.

IF I COULD ASK YOU, ARE YOU NEXT TO THE STEPS GOING UP INTO, ARE YOU ON THE RIGHT SIDE AS I'M LOOKING AT THE STEPS RIGHT.

SIDE OR LEFT SIDE LEFT SIDE LEFT SIDE.

MY AND MY NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT, NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT.

I NOTED THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS LET THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING ACTUALLY GROW ACROSS THE WALKWAY, BLOCKING THE WALKWAY THAT LOOKED TO BE QUITE INTENTIONAL.

DO YOU THINK IT IS? WELL, WE JUST, WE JUST FIGURED IT THAT WASN'T OUR, OUR PROPERTY.

SO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T, DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT.

UM, I'M, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR, FOR MY SIDE OF THAT, TOO.

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47 YEARS AGO, CHARLIE GAVE THAT PROPERTY TO THE SCHOOLS.

YOU EVEN SAID THAT HE DID FOR YOUNGER CHILDREN.

THIS SEEMS LIKE A PROJECT FOR YOUNG ADULTS.

THIS DOES NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHILDREN.

47 YEARS, WE'VE GONE.

WE HAVEN'T PUT A PLAYGROUND UP THERE FOR THE KIDS, THE SCHOOL AGED KIDS.

UH, WHY DOES THIS PROGRAM COME INTO EXISTENCE? WHEN THE PEOPLE IN WARD, ONE THAT LIVE AROUND THAT AREA WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS.

NOW OUR COUNCILMEN SAID THAT IT WAS PEOPLE DON'T COME UP HERE AND LOOK AT THE BOARDS, OR THEY LOOK ON FACEBOOK TO SEE, SEE ALL THAT INFORMATION.

UH, WHY DID WE GO AWAY FROM COME UP WITH THIS PROJECT TO GO INTO THE WOODS? WHEN THE GREEN SPACE SAT THERE FOR 47 YEARS AND NEVER PUT A PLAYGROUND OR A PICNIC AREA OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD APPEAL TO THE KIDS IN THERE.

THE YOUNGER KIDS AT SCHOOL AGE KIDS WERE AT THE PROPERTY WAS LEFT FOR TO BEGIN WITH.

WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR MANY OF YOU IS ON THAT.

UH, WELL I THINK WE HAVEN'T.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE AT A FOUR READING, SO NOTHING IS NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED YET.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS DISCUSSION IS CONNECTED.

NO, ON THE KID COMPARE, LET'S GO BACK DOWN THE SPLASH, THE SPLASH PAD, WE PUT DOWN CLOUD PARK.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNITY.

RIVERSIDE PEOPLE PROBABLY GET MORE USE OUT OF THAT AND WHAT OUR KIDS DO IN UBUR AND THE SKATE PARK, WHICH MONITA THE TWIN MONITA FIELD.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, YOU CAN'T COMPARE THAT THING OUT THERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH, WITH THE SKATE PARK.

THAT'S A GREAT THING FOR THE KIDS.

AND IT'S JUST A LONG TIME COMING, EDIT, OR HOW MANY YEARS NOW DOWN THERE.

SO YOU CAN'T COMPARE THIS THING IN THE WOODS UP THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO SCARE OFF ALL THE WILDLIFE THAT EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND IF THERE'S PARTYING, THEN WE'VE GOT POLICE FORCE THAT CAN PATROL THAT AREA.

AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN LATELY REALLY I'VE NOTICED THE, SO SOMEBODY THERE'S SCOTT'S BROUGHT IT UP OR SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I HAVE NOTICED, UH, THE POLICE IN THE AREA MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT'S JUST, IF WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR THE KIDS IN 47 YEARS, THIS SEEMS TO BE AN ADULT PROJECT.

AND IT'S NOT, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S WANTED BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS GLENN.

IF I CAN RESPOND TO THE, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR PARK, UH, THOUGHT SERVE, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.

THE PLAYGROUND THOUGHT, UM, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR A PARK IN THAT AREA FOR, IN THAT SPACE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, EVER SINCE COMING ON COUNCIL, I HAVE PUSHED.

AND, AND I WAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND MOVING THAT PROPERTY FROM THE SCHOOL TO THE CITY SO THAT WE COULD PUT A PLAYGROUND IN THE BIKE PARK THING, JUST KIND OF CAME UP IN 2019 AS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE SPACE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S CONTOURED AND WHATNOT.

AND IT, IT STARTED WORKING OUT OF THAT AND DISCUSSION IN 2019 FROM THE BICYCLE SUMMIT.

BUT, BUT YEAH, THE PUSH FOR ME HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO GET SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT AREA HAS NO PARKS AT ALL.

I MEAN, I HAD THREE KIDS COMPLETELY GROW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIVE ON SANDAL VIEW AND THEY NEVER HAD A PARK.

NOW THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THOSE WOODS, IN THOSE TRAILS, UM, AND, AND OTHER PLACES IN THE AREA, BUT THERE WAS NEVER A PARK FOR THEM TO PLAY IN.

WE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE.

AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S ALL I CARE TO SEE IS I'LL PARK THERE FOR THE LOCAL, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS.

THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANT OUT OF THIS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR FOR YEARS.

SO IF THAT HELPS, SO YOU WANT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF YOU IS WANT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT FOR, FOR THIS, UH, BIKE TRAIL.

UH, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY, THEY'RE AFRAID IT'S GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, WHICH MAY BE IT WON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A PROVEN FACT IN THE WOOD.

AND, UH, BUT, AND I THINK THE THOUGHT OF THAT, THAT TRAIL IN THE WOODS JUST KIND OF CAME OUT OF CONVERSATIONS THROUGH OUR PARKS, RIGHT? WELL, THAT TRAIL IN THE WOODS, COME ON, THAT'S THE KIDS WALKING THROUGH THERE, THERE IS NO THOUGH TRUE

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PANTS.

WELL, IT WAS THE KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES THROUGH THERE.

THERE'S RAMPS BACK THERE THAT THEY, I MEAN, I KNOW BECAUSE MY KIDS HAVE COME HOME INJURED FROM THOSE RAMPS.

UM, BUT, UH, BUT NO, I, THAT, THAT JUST KIND OF CAME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE BIKE FEATURES AND, AND, UM, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SAYING, HEY, IF THOSE TRAILS WERE ALREADY THERE, WE CAN JUST COME IN AND CLEAN THOSE UP, MARK THEM UP AND MAKE THEM A LOT NICER TO WALK THROUGH AND BIKE THROUGH THAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAD THE DEER COME UP BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY FROM TIME TO TIME.

WELL, THEN YOU ENJOY THAT.

SEE THAT'S WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF.

IT.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT.

IF YOU TAKE AN AERIAL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT IT.

WE LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS, PERIOD.

IT'S ALL WOODS THERE.

THE WHOLE, THE VIEWS ARE JUST HOUSES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS.

I LOVE IT.

AND WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY WOODS AT ALL.

NOT EVEN WE KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE PROPERTY BEHIND OUR HOUSE ON TIMBER VIEW OWNED BY THE SWAMP FAMILY.

AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT NORTHERN PARK IS OWNED BY THE SWAT FAMILY.

MAYBE THE SOUTHERN PART IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT, BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

AND WE ALL KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY TROUBLE IS GOT GOING FOR US.

THERE'S QUARRY STONE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THERE.

AND YOU CAN'T BUILD HOUSES DOWN INTO THERE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A SAVIOR.

SO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW THOSE COMMENTS BY, BY ASKING EVERYONE THAT'S OUT HERE OTHER THAN NOTHING AT ALL, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WOULD MAKE THAT A NICE SPACE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT WOULD MAKE THAT A NICE SPACE ACTIVITY-WISE FOR KIDS AND FOR FAMILIES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF PARKS IS TO GET FAMILIES OUT DOING ACTIVITIES AND OFF AND OUT OF THE INDOORS AND OFF THEIR ELECTRONICS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.

SO I WOULD LOVE ANY INPUT AS TO WHAT PEOPLE THINK WOULD BE A NICE IN THAT LEVEL.

OKAY, SURE, SURE.

YOU CAN COME TO THE PARTY.

WELL, LET ME JUST SAY MR. OTTO.

I THINK, UH, I THINK WE ALL WOULD LIKE THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAND.

I THINK IF WE WENT ABOUT IT THE OTHER WAY, PUT SOMETHING IN THAT GREEN SPACE FIRST, THIS OTHER PART WOULD HAVE CAME EASIER.

REALLY? IF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FIRST AND NOT SECOND, I'M NOT SO SURE.

SO I'M THE ONE THAT WALKED THE PETITION.

SO YOU TELL ME WHAT INFORMATION I TOLD WRONG, BECAUSE THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT MATCHES THAT PICTURE THAT I SHOWED.

SO WHAT DID I SAY WAS WRONG? THANK YOU.

YEAH, I HAD, UH, I HAD ONE GENTLEMEN THAT, UH, HAD SAID THAT, UM, THE ENTRANCES AT, AT SANDAL VIEW AND, AND RUN VIEW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE, THERE WAS TREE IS GOING TO BE CUT DOWN.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU I'M JUST SAYING THE INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD CIRCULATED PETITIONS AND PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE SAYING THOSE THINGS YOU DID.

AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU OFFLINE ON OF WHO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE.

AND WE CAN SPEAK TO THEM BECAUSE WHEN THIS STARTS, THERE'S GOING TO BE PARKING AT THE END OF SAND OF YOU.

AND AT THE END OF WILD VIEW, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ON DIAL YOU.

WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM THE CARS ON THE STREETS AND REALLY YOUR NEIGHBORS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU'RE LIVING THERE.

THEY'RE SO UPSET WITH YOU.

BRING IN ALL OF THAT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW? AND I'M JUST LIKE THE, THE CARS ARE NOT GOING TO STAY IN THE PARKING LOT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON ANGELINA COMING IN.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT LAUREL VIEW PARK AND YOU CAN'T CONTROL THEM.

WE CAN'T CONTROL THEM.

SO WE ARE WORKING, OH MAN, THESE ARE ASSUMPTIONS.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DO WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN? JAMIE, YOU GOT AN ENTRANCE COMING RIGHT HERE.

AGAIN.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE SHOULD BE POSTED AS PUBLIC ENTRANCE WHATSOEVER.

THE PARKING LOT SHOULD BE THE ONLY ENTRANCE PUBLICLY.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST ACCESS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE.

THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.

THOSE THE STAIRS BETWEEN HIS HOUSE AND THE BEERS AND THE STAIRS, UH, THERE'S STAIRS ALL OVER THAT AREA.

QUITE HONESTLY, IN OTHER AREAS TOO.

OH, WE KNOW WE BACK UP TO ALL THIS DON'T ACT LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING OR SAYING UP HERE BECAUSE THE CARS PARKED THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THEM SIDEWALKS.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO ENTER THIS, WHY DO I WANT TO PARK AT THAT PARKING LOT? I CAN GO DOWN HERE.

LET'S GO PARK DOWN HERE.

WILD VIEWS.

NOT HAPPY GOING IN DOWN THERE.

THEY DON'T WANT THE EXTRA

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TRAFFIC GOING IN THERE.

I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE X DOES EXTRA TRAFFIC OR HOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE ENTRANCES TO GET INTO THAT.

OR WE'VE ALL BEEN, ANYBODY CAN GO ON THE CITY.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO US? THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION.

I MEAN IT, I MEAN, THIS IS YOU SHOWING FIVE ENTRANCES RIGHT HERE, BUT NOT, BUT THEY'RE WALKING ENTRANCES OR BIKE INTERESTS OF STAIRS ON THEM.

YOU'RE NOT DRIVING A CAR ON THOSE ENTRANCES REALLY DID I SAY, HE'S DRIVING A CAR.

YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR BIKE DOWN THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR BIKE WITH THEIR CAR.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA IS GOING TO DRIVE IN AND KNOW TO GO TO THE END OF SANDAL VIEW WITH THEIR VEHICLE AND UNLOAD THEIR BIKES TO GO TO THIS PARK.

THAT'S ONLINE.

SO YOU GUYS WON'T BE PUTTING ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT THERE'S NOT FIVE ENTRANCES TO THIS, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO JUST CLOSE UP THEM SIDEWALKS.

CAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ENTRANCE.

I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE CLOSED UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY BE POSTING OUT.

HEY, THIS IS AT MULTIPLE ENTRANCES TO COME IN AND PARK WHEREVER YOU'RE AT.

I KNOW I'M SAYING I WOULDN'T BE PUTTING THAT OUT PUBLICLY.

NO, NO.

THOSE OTHER INTERESTS IS THERE FOR LOCAL USE ONLY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD USE.

THEY'RE NOT USING THEM.

THE KIDS ARE NOT USING THIS PARK.

AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU'VE GOT THEM TRAILS ALREADY, NOT ALL THOSE TRAILS ARE THERE.

SO DON'T SAY THOSE TRAILS ARE ALREADY THERE.

THEY'RE NOT, THERE ARE SOME TRAILS, BUT NOT UP IN THERE.

ALRIGHT, MARATHON, MAN.

WHAT WAS I GETTING THIS? MR. WEBB? DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE? I DO.

MA'AM OH, YES MA'AM.

DID I UNDERSTAND? YOU SAID YOU CIRCULATED A PETITION.

BOTH OF THEM.

SO LET ME JUST READ FROM THE PETITION.

THE PETITION SUMMARY AND BACKGROUND SAYS WE ARE OPPOSING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS AT DOLL PARK AND THEY ACTION PETITIONED FOR IS WHERE THE UNDERSIGNED OR CONCERNED CITIZENS WHO URGE OUR LEADERS TO ACT NOW TO STOP THE CONSTRUCTION OF MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS AT DIAL PARK.

WAS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS YOU CIRCULATED THIS, UM, THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING.

ARE THERE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT WHO HAVE SIGNED THAT? JUST BY A SHOW OF HANDS? OKAY.

AND OKAY.

THAT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A STATEMENT THAT PERHAPS PEOPLE SIGN SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING.

I THINK THE PETITION IS FAIRLY CLEAR.

I ALSO, IT IS DATED AS OF JULY 14TH.

I, I TOLD THEM I TOLD THEM EVERYTHING AND IF SOME DIDN'T WANT IT BECAUSE THEY RIDE BIKES.

I TOLD THEM ABOUT THIS MEETING.

I MEAN, I TOLD ALL THE INFORMATION.

THANK YOU THOUGH.

THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, SOMEWHAT CLEARER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, UM, IN MY WARD, THERE WAS A PARK CALLED SCHOLL GATE PARK AND SHALL GATE PARK HAS AN ENTRANCE SIMILAR TO THESE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE SHAWL GATE, THERE WERE BASEBALL DIAMONDS THERE, AND THERE'S THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ON THAT STREET BACK THERE CAN TELL YOU ARE FREQUENTLY CARS PARKED ALONG THE STREET BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A BACK ENTRANCE ZONE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S NOTHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE PUBLISHING AS HERE'S A GREAT PLACE TO PARK ON DIAL, BUT YEAH, WILL HELP PEOPLE PARK THERE.

AS WE HAVE UP ON SHAWL GATE, WE HAVE PEOPLE PARK ON THE BACKSIDE THAT YOU JUST SLEPT WALKWAY.

YOU KNOW, SHE GOT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE KIDS THAT ARE LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY KNOW WHERE ALL THE ENTRANCES ARE.

THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE PETITION AND YOU GATHERED A SEGMENT.

MA'AM RICHARD.

UM, COUNCILMAN WEBB'S COMMENTS.

UH, YEAH, JUST TO CONTINUE.

UM, I, I THINK SHAWL GATE PARK IS ONE.

I KNOW COMMUNITY PARK IS ANOTHER ONE.

THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY ENTRANCE.

WE HAVE A, WE HAVE SEVERAL PARKS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY, UH, THAT HAVE COMMUNITY TYPE ENTRANCES.

AND, UM, AT LEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INSTRUCTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT TELLS PEOPLE ABOUT THAT ON OUR WEBSITE.

NOW IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.

UM, AND SO I'M WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS VERY CLEAR.

AND I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS STATED VERY CLEARLY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANY OTHER DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE GREEN SPACE.

AND, AND I THINK THE PARKS MANAGER IS, HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR.

THAT IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY NOTED PARKING PERIOD AT THIS PART, INCLUDING AS NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE

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LONGFORD.

SO I'M JUST PUTTING IT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR AGAIN? WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? MA'AM SHEILA.

SHEILA.

ANY COMMENTS FOR SHEILA? OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO DIRECT PACKET AT THIS COUNCIL? GLENN? I HAD YOU'D CAME UP INITIALLY BECAUSE I HAD ASKED IF, IF ANYONE HAS ANY IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE PARK.

YEAH, YEAH.

NOTHING.

LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

THE NATURE.

LET US ENJOY THE ANIMALS AND WHAT WE HAVE FOR 38.

AND, OKAY, SO, SO NO DESIRE TO PROVIDE THE CHILDREN OF THE AREA WITH ANY TYPE OF EVENT? NO.

THE CHILDREN OF THE AREA THEY'RE TEARING UP THE SCHOOL, PLAYGROUNDS, THE SCHOOLS CAN'T EVEN KEEP THE PLAYGROUNDS IN THOSE MIDDLE AREAS BECAUSE THOSE LITTLE NICE KIDS ARE TEARING THEM UP.

SO REALLY WHY BRING THAT INTO OUR AREA? WHY BRING KIDS IN PLAYGROUNDS INTO OUR AREA? WHY BRING ALL THAT DESTRUCTION OF TEARING UP? THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT ALL CHILDREN DESTROY THINGS.

REALLY.

I JUST WANT TO PARK, MAN.

I JUST WANT TO PARK FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET OUT AND ENJOY THAT OPEN.

NICE OPEN GREEN SPACE THAT, THAT WE GET TO ALL THE TIME.

AND IT ALSO, THE AUDIENCE LIKES IT.

SO YOU SAID A SUGGESTION.

MA'AM THE PEOPLE KIND OF LIKED THE AREA THE WAY IT IS PEACEFUL, WHATEVER.

UM, IS THERE A CHANCE THAT YOU COULD LIKE WITH THE TRAILS THAT ARE IN THERE WHEN YOU SAY, GO IN AND CLEAN THEM UP AND EVERYTHING MAKE THIS MORE OF A WALKING TRAILS FOR PEOPLE, FOR KIDS, PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR KIDS.

DO NATURE WALKS MAKE THIS MORE OF A NATURE PARK AS SUPPOSED TO A BIKE PARK, PUTS BENCHES, PUT PICNIC TABLES.

FAMILIES CAN GO ENJOY IT, ENJOY THE NATURE, ENJOY THE WILDLIFE.

JUST LIKE WE HAVE ALL THESE YEARS.

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE FROM WHAT WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED? THAT'S ALL I GOT.

UM, WHAT I'VE LISTENED TO CAUSE I'M NEW TO THE SCENE.

THIS IS MY SECOND TIME HEARING ALL OF THIS.

I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING OF IT UNTIL I GOT A POSTCARD THAT SAYING YOU WERE MAKING DECISIONS ON THIS.

AND MY NEIGHBOR CAME IN, KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND SAID, WOULD YOU SIGN THIS PETITION? SHE CAUGHT ME WHEN SHE SAID PARKING LOT.

HUBER HEIGHTS NEEDS NO MORE PARKING LOTS.

WE NEED NO MORE PARKING, LOTS, THIS DOPE.

THAT'S WHERE SHE CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

LISTENING TO EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND ME IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WOULD, I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW MANY PROPERTIES DO WE HAVE A NUMBER? HOW MANY PROPERTIES BACK UP TO THIS PARK? DO YOU HAVE A RECORD THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED? HAVE YOU CONTACTED EACH PERSON THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND GOTTEN THEIR INPUT? AND WHERE'S THE PROOF BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.

MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET WHO BACKED UP TO THIS PARK, DON'T WANT IT.

IF THEY SHOULD CHOOSE TO WANT IT, THEN IT COMES UP TO ME WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET.

I GET TO LOSE MY NATURE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT A PARKING LOT OVER THERE OR YOU PUT TRAILS THROUGH THERE, I HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT MY NEIGHBORS, WHO BACK UP TO THAT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT.

SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO LOSE IT? THEN IT'S UP TO ME TO GO OKAY WITH THEM.

THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT.

THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO.

SO HOW MANY PROPERTIES BACK UP TO THAT PARK? AND HAVE YOU TALKED AND WHERE'S THE PROOF AND RECORD THAT YOU HAVE TALKED TO EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

YEAH, THE MAP THAT WAS DRAWN FOR ME WHEN WE SENT THE POSTCARDS OUT, I BELIEVE THERE WERE 42 HOUSES AND THAT INCLUDED SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ON LONGFORD, UH, THAT WERE SENT POSTCARDS TO, UH, ONLY TWO OF THOSE CAME BACK AS RETURNED TO SEND HER CAUSE THOSE ARE THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES WE HAD WERE NO LONGER ACCURATE.

UM, I HAVE RECEIVED A FEW EMAILS, UM, FROM, FROM SOME RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, UH, EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERN.

AND I DO HAVE THE RECORD OF THOSE, BUT AS FAR AS EVERYBODY RESPONDING NOW, EVERYBODY HAS NOT RESPONDED WHEN THAT POSTCARD

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WENT OUT.

UH, JENNIFER BAIRD, I JUST ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION.

IF A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID NOTHING RIGHT NOW, I HAVE NOTICED A DIFFERENCE IN HOW OFTEN THE GREEN SPACES CUT.

SO IT USED TO BE CUT FAIRLY OFTEN.

PEOPLE COULD COME OUT AND USE THIS THE GREEN SPACE BECAUSE IT WAS OKAY TO WALK.

IT'S NOT NEAT.

IT'S LIKE AT ANY HEIGHT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I UNDERSTAND RAIN HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BARRING THAT IF IT STAYS AS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE GREEN SPACE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING BARELY MAINTAINED.

WE'RE JUST GETTING US A LINE OF GRASS CUT ALONG OUR FENCE LINES.

UM, AND THEN IF WE DO NOTHING, IS IT NOW GOING TO TURN INTO NOT A WELL MAINTAINED GREEN SPACE, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.

IF NOTHING GOES THERE, HAS THAT BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT, OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE OPEN GREEN SPACE AND MAINTAINING THE GRASS? NO, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND I THINK SO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UM, TAKES CARE OF, YOU KNOW, CUTTING ALL THE GRASS IN THE PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK IN THAT AREA, IT'S NOT DESIGNATED PARK SPACE.

IT'S JUST KIND OF LAYING THERE.

SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, AN ACTION PLAN OF HOW TO MAINTAIN THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE WELCOME.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT, UM, SCOTT COULD HAVE WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, IF WE DECIDE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.

I THINK THAT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBER INPUT, UM, ON, ON WHAT THAT WOULD ON WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO BE THERE, SHORT GRASS, TALL GRASS, OVERGROWN, WHATEVER THE NATURE ISSUE IS.

UM, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY A PLAN THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF IT IS BEING IGNORED, IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S A PIECE OF LAND.

THAT'S NOT CITY OWNS.

IT IS NOT DESIGNATED AS A, AS A PUBLIC PARK OR ANYTHING YET.

IT'S JUST OPEN SPACE.

CORRECT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST HAVE DIALOGUE ON THAT.

IF, IF THAT ENDS UP BEING THE CASE, NOTHING GOES THERE.

COULD THERE BE DIALOGUE ON HOW WELL IT'S MAINTAINED? RIGHT.

SO I THINK SORT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, MAYBE THREE.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT, UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE AND WHATEVER ACTION, UH, COUNCIL DECIDES TO TAKE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, WHEN WE TURN THIS BACK OVER TO OUR PARKS AND REC BOARD AND OUR CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. KING IS HERE THIS EVENING.

SO IN TERMS OF LETTING THE PARKS AND REC BOARD DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO FIND OUT, I THINK I SAID TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO SEE THERE.

AND WE MAY FIND OUT THAT IT IS NOTHING.

AND IF IT IS NOTHING, THEN IT IS NOTHING.

IF THAT'S WHAT THE DESIRE IS THERE.

BUT THEN AS PART OF THAT WOULD BE THAT PLAN.

WELL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT SPACE? OKAY.

IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S MAINTAINED AND ALL THAT.

BECAUSE IF, IF IT IS AN ISSUE THAT IS A QUESTION THEN I THINK WE CERTAINLY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY MY EXPERIENCE, BUT WHEN THERE'S ACTUALLY PARK ACTIVITIES WITHIN A DESIGNATED PARK, THEY'RE MUCH BETTER MAINTAINED THAN JUST AN EMPTY OPEN SPACE.

IT'S GOING TO GET MINIMAL MAINTENANCE.

IT'S GOING TO GET CUT WHEN IT'S WAY OVERGROWN, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S NOT GOING TO SEE AS MUCH.

I MEAN, AND I'VE JUST NOTICED THAT JUST OVER SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20, SOME ODD YEARS THAT DRIVING BY IT'S NEVER REALLY KEPT MANICURED IN ANY WAY.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HIT AND MISS.

IT'S DEFINITELY, I THINK BEFORE THE CITY MAYBE PURCHASED IT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE MAINTAINED THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.

PROBABLY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN EVERYTHING AT ALL.

SO JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE OF OKAY.

IF NOTHING GOES IN, IS THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION OF HOW WELL MAINTAINED THAT PIECE OF LAND IS? IT COULD BE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL HAVE, YES.

THAT DEFINITELY HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD START WITH OUR, WITH OUR PARKS BOARD.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO, UH, TO ADDRESS US OR SPEAK, SPEAK FROM THE PLANE THIS EVENING? RICHARD? THANK YOU, MS. BECKY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SO MR. OTTO HAD, UH, HAD ASKED, UM, SOME SUGGESTIONS YOU HAD MADE A SUGGESTION OF, UM, UH, NATURE AREA TRAILS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

NOW LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

IN OUR AREA COULD GO THERE, TAKE THEIR KIDS, DO NATURE, WALKS, HAVE PICNICS.

WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE PROPOSED PARKING AND BUFFERING THAT YOU SEE ON THERE? WELL, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO ASK IF YOU HAVE A PARK, DO YOU, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO HAVE A PARKING AREA? YES.

SO I GUESS IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE AN, A PARK AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARKING AREA, I'M SURE YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE, EVEN THE HANDICAP PARKING AREAS, IF IT'S IT'S, IT'S MADE INTO AN ESTABLISHED PARK.

SO I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH SOME SORT OF A PARKING AREA SO THAT FAMILIES

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IF WE HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY, IT'S EITHER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE AT THIS POINT, NOTHING AT ALL.

OR IF, IF, AS LONG AS IT'S MAINTAINED, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PARK IN THERE FOR SOME OF THE PE PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND CHILDREN THAT IS MORE OF A PARK, NOT A BIKE PARK, NOT A DESIGNATED, YOU KNOW, NOT A SKATE PARK, NOT BASKETBALL COURTS, ANY OF THAT KIND OF THING, JUST A NATURE WALK TYPE PARK THAT FAMILIES CAN GO TO AND ENJOY NATURE.

IT'S LESS AGGRESSIVE, LESS EVASIVE FOR THE AREA.

I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO GO.

THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION MAYOR.

MAY I CONTINUE JUST, UH, AND I I'M TRYING TO COME TO A SOLUTION.

AND, AND I I'M USING YOU BECAUSE YOU DO LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS IS AT.

UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, AND IF I MAY TAKE A STRAW POLL OF EVERYBODY THAT'S IN HERE OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT DOING A NATURE PARK, GET RID OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL ALL TOGETHER WITH THE PARKING LOT, IDENTIFY THIS AS A NATURE PARK, NATURE PARK AT DIAL PARK, WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER IT IS, WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS IN THIS ROOM? IF I CAN GET A SHOW OF HANDS, WOULD ANYBODY BE IN FAVOR OF THAT? MA'AM BECKY AND I ARE NEIGHBORS, JANICE HEFLIN.

ORIGINALLY THE FIRST MEETING I CAME TO, I WAS AGAINST ALL OF IT AT THIS POINT.

AND I DIDN'T REALLY, I DIDN'T REALIZE WARD ONE, DIDN'T HAVE A PARK.

AND I, AND I SEE PEOPLE WALKING BACK AND FORTH ALL DAY LONG, JOGGING, RIDING BIKES.

I THINK FAMILIES STROLL WHEN, YOU KNOW, STROLLERS WITH KIDS, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THIS WARD TO HAVE A PARK.

AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AGGRESSIVE.

I THINK A NATURE PARK WOULD BE PERFECT.

UM, LIKE A TRAIL TO WALK IN AND WALK YOUR DOG.

NOW I CAN'T TAKE MY DOG ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THE GRASS IS TOO HIGH OF A SMALL DOG.

SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD PREFER TO PUT SOMETHING THERE BECAUSE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE BACK IN THE SAME SPACE? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE.

SO ORIGINALLY I DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOU, BUT NOW YEAH.

I THINK THE KIDS NEED A PARK.

I DIDN'T GET A PO POSTCARD, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON UNTIL, UNTIL SHE BROUGHT, BROUGHT THE PETITION BY IT.

MA'AM TO YOUR POINT, WHEN YOU REALIZE YOU PUT IT IN A PARK, IT'S GOING TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE.

SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF SIEMENS.

A LOT OF SIEMENS THERE'LL BE ADA COMPLIANCE.

WELL, I I'M THINKING LIKE NATURE, LIKE, WELL, ADA NEEDS TO INCLUDE BE INCLUDED IN THAT, SO THAT'D BE IN THE BUCKET.

SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A STATEMENT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IF THIS DOES COME TO PASS AND THESE, THESE ENTRANCES TO THIS PARK, YOU KNOW, UH, BETWEEN PEOPLE'S HOUSES, IS THAT, IS THERE ANY GOOD, IS IT GOING TO BE BUFFERING OR, YOU KNOW, ON, ALONG THOSE WALKWAYS, GOING UP TO THE PARK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE FINAL DESIGN IS ON ANYTHING HAS BEEN STATED YET OR DISCUSSED.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK IT, UM, IF COUNCIL AGREES TO MOVE FORWARD, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY REQUIRE.

UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF A DESIGN BUILD PROCESS.

WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY WITHIN THE BUDGET, UH, OF, OF THE APPROPRIATED MONEY TO ALLOW FOR THOSE, IF THERE'S EXTRA TYPE THINGS THAT MAYBE COME UP THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR IT IN THE BEGINNING, THAT CAN, IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT.

BUT CERTAINLY AS, UM, AS A, AS A POINT OF NOTICE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.

RICHARD, IF I MAY POSE THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU, UM, IF WE GET RID OF THE, THE BIKE YOU'RE AT MORE TOWARD J A NATURE PARK, UM, TYPE AREA.

AND, UM, I, I PERSONALLY SEE NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T, UH, DO SOME LIGHT BUFFERING ON THOSE COMMUNITY ENTRANCES.

WHERE WOULD YOU STAND ON? WELL, I COULD, I COULD PROBABLY ALMOST CONSIDER THAT NOW, NOW, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW FROM, CAUSE, CAUSE

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AND THAT WAS NEWS TO ME.

SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

AND AS FAR AS THAT OVERGROWTH, UM, ALONG THAT WALKWAY, MY NEIGHBOR AND I BOTH KINDA CAME TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT.

WELL, YOU'RE NOT BEING KIND OF LIKE A NICE NATURAL PRIVACY FAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IS, IS WHAT IT IS.

WHAT IF WE CAME IN THERE AND PLANTED UP SOME, SOME BUFFERING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIGHT, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIVE.

UM, YEAH, BECAUSE MY, MY BIG CONCERN IS, YEAH, I LIKED THE QUIET BACK THERE, BUT WITH PEOPLE WALKING UP, MY DOGS ARE GONNA GO CRAZY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE OFF THE HOOK BARKING.

WELL, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER POINT IS TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WELL, ACTUALLY I KNOW THERE ARE NO SIGNS THAT SAY POINT THIS WAY, WALK UP HERE.

AND THERE IS NO CITY MAP THAT SHOWS, HEY, PEOPLE CAN'T, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PUBLICIZED.

LITERALLY THE ONLY FOR A MATTER OF FACT, UM, IF YOU GO DOWN LIKE OFF OF ARROW VIEW, THERE IS A COMMUNITY CUT-THROUGH FROM LARGE VIEW TO ARROW VIEW THAT ME AND MY KIDS USE, NOBODY KNOWS THAT IT EXISTS, EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE MORE THAN 15 PEOPLE JUST WATCH IT US YET.

UM, BUT, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN WEBB'S POINT, YOU KNOW, NOW THEY ALL KNOW, BUT, UM, AND COMMUNITY PARTNER, UM, BUT, UH, I MEAN, I KNEW, I KNEW THAT WAS BACK THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I COACH LITERALLY BASEBALL.

SO, AND I HAPPENED TO KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT OUR BUTTS RIGHT UP TO THAT ENTRANCE.

UM, BUT I MEAN, THOSE DO EXIST, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT YEAH.

WITH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THAT THAT IS RIGHT.

BUT IF A PART GOES IN UP THERE, HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE A WORD OF MOUTH? SAY, HEY, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE OTHER ENTRANCES TO THIS PLACE ONE HERE, HERE, HERE, AND HERE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THE CONCEPT NOW CHANGES FROM A MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK, JUST TO A NATURE PARK, IN YOUR OPINION, DOES THAT BECOME MORE ACCEPTABLE OR LESS ACCEPTED? IT, IT KINDA, UM, UH, MAKES ME LEAN A LITTLE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE ON IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO GIVE MORE THOUGHT TO.

BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN A NATURE PARK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO, THEY WALK WALKING UP AND DOWN THERE AND I WAS JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES HAPPEN ON MAYBE SOME, SOME OF THOSE BLUE BUSHES TO BE PLANTED TO WHERE IT'S NOT AS, AS VISUAL.

I, I MEAN, WITH THE, WHAT THREE, FOUR COMMUNITY ENTRANCES THAT WE HAVE THERE GIVE OR TAKE, I'M JUST ONE COUNSELOR.

I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DOING SOME LIGHT BUFFERING ALONG THERE.

I MEAN, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE, I KNOW IF MY DOG, UM, WAS NEAR A SIDEWALK LIKE THAT, I MEAN, WHEN THE NEIGHBORS OUT BACK WATER IN HIS GRASS, I'VE GOT TO HEAR MY DOG GOING CRAZY.

SO, SO AGAIN, I MEAN, WITH SOME LIGHT BUFFERING, I THINK WOULD, WOULD CURE THAT AND MY PAY AND THIS, AND THIS PARTICULAR ENTRANCE OFF, OFF SAND.

HAVE YOU, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT PROBABLY DOES, BUT IT JUST WALKS AND STRAIGHT UP THE HILL.

I MEAN, MY, MY BIG, MY BIG CONCERN WAS WHEN IT WAS WHEN IT, WHEN I HEARD BIKE TRAIL OF PEOPLE TOTING THEIR BIKES UP AND DOWN THE HILL, YOU KNOW? CAUSE YOU SURE CAN'T RIDE IT UP.

NO, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY'D BE TOTING A BIKE UP THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S A BIT OF A HOLE.

THAT'S A WORKOUT IN ITSELF.

I'VE BEEN UP HERE DOWN THERE BECAUSE I'M A BIG FELLER AND THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A BIT.

IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE CAP CAMOUFLAGE GOING ON THERE.

MARK MAYER.

THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION PROBABLY DOES NEED TO BE TABLED AND, UH, AN ASSIGNED JOSH AND THE, AND THE, AND THE PARKS AND REC BOARD TO DO THE OUTREACH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND FIND OUT WHAT WHAT'S DESIRED, WHAT SHOULD GO THERE AND THEN BRINGING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO COUNCILS AWAY FOR COUNCIL AND MOVE FORWARD.

UH, WOULD A POSSIBLE WAY FORWARD TONIGHT BE TO ASSIGN THIS TO JOSH, UH, AS THE PARK MANAGER AND HIS STAFF AND ASK THEM TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH VINCE AS THE PARK AND REC CHAIRMAN AND HIS GROUP, AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL AFTER THEY'VE THOROUGHLY VETTED THIS, WORKED WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS.

YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, WE CAN, I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO TALK AND I THINK SO, UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.

THE LEGISLATION AS IT'S, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW TO PUT BIKE TRAILS IN, BASED ON PEOPLE WHO'VE SPOKEN UP AGAINST IT, BASED ON THE PETITIONS.

UM, AND JUST SEEING THE RESIDENTS WHO'VE CAME OUT AGAINST IT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE PREMATURE.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS ABOUT A NATURE WALK OR NATURE PRESERVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE IN ANY, ANY RUSH.

I DON'T KNOW THAT NEGOTIATING, WHAT SHOULD GO THERE AT A WORK SESSION IS THE, IS THE RIGHT AVENUE EITHER.

SO I THINK THAT, UM,

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UM, IT'S NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE AT THIS LOCATION, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED NOT TO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE WAY FORWARD.

BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS GO OUT THERE AND I'VE BEEN OUT AND SPOKE TO A FEW RESIDENTS.

UM, I THINK EVERY, I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE DICE HAVE ENOUGH TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA TO KIND OF GET INPUT.

UH, MY BIG CONCERN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE WAS ON THE FIRST PETITION.

THERE WASN'T ANY DATES, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WERE AGAINST EVERYTHING OR THEY WERE JUST AGAINST THE, UM, THE BIKE PARK AND THE PUMP TRACK, BECAUSE ONCE WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, ONCE WE AGREED TO MOVE THAT OFF, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT THE DATE PEOPLE WAS AT.

SIGN THAT, WHERE THEY SIGNING AGAINST EVERYTHING OR WERE THEY, OR THEY SIGNING A PETITION JUST AGAINST THOSE OTHER TWO AMENITIES.

SO YOU'VE CLEARED THAT UP.

JOSH, IS THIS SOMETHING, UH, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT, SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF WORKING WITH THE PARK AND REC AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THE NEIGHBORS COULD COME BACK WITH AT LEAST AN ANSWER OF WHAT, UH, WHAT THE POSSIBILITY IS.

THAT WOULD BE WHAT I RECOMMEND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING PUT IN AT THAT PARK THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, UH, ENJOY AND USE ANDY, THEN WE'LL GO TO, THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO, WHEN, WHEN EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A NATURAL PATH AREA AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE IS A PARK IN TIP CITY CALLED LOSS CREEK PRAIRIE PRESERVE THAT KIND OF HAS THAT IDEA WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY JUST A PARKING LOT AND THEN IT'S PASSED, BUT THE PATHS ARE ACTUALLY JUST MODE PATHS THROUGH A FIELD.

THAT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YAY.

HI TO EVERYBODY.

YOU, YOU, YOU CAN, I MEAN, REALLY, IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE PATH, YOU CAN'T SEE WHERE IT IS.

IT JUST LOOKS LIKE BEAUTIFUL GRASSLAND, AND THEN IT GOES INTO THE WOODS AND THERE'S SOME PATHS BACK THERE.

UM, JUST AN IDEA FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT, UM, FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS AN IDEA, BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THESE NATURAL PATHS, IT, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT, UM, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PARK.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

THANKS, DANNY.

OKAY, WE'LL GO TO RICHARD.

I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU.

I JUST WANT TO TAG ONTO WHAT MR. CAMPBELL SAID.

IS THERE ANY WAY JOSH, HE COULD WORK WITH THE DIAL RESIDENTS? ALL OF THEM WILL BE NOTIFIED, DIAL ANGELINA RENDER VIEW, CHAMBER VIEW, LONGFORD, SANDALWOOD, ALL THE ONES AROUND THE PETITION.

AND LIKE NOW ALL OF THE ONES THAT BUTT UP TO IT, BUT THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT BE NOTIFIED AND TRY TO HAVE A TOWN HALL.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, UM, UH, I AGREE, UH, DIRECTLY WITH COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL.

UM, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT A TABLE IN THIS, UM, UH, COME MONDAY AND, UM, LET'S, UH, LET'S RETHINK THIS UP A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND COMPROMISES, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I STATED IN 2016 AND 2017 BEFORE THE BIKE AMENITY DISCUSSION IN 2019, THE GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN JUST TO PUT SOMETHING THERE, UH, FOR THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WHAT THAT IS, FRANKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, BY COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A FERRIS WHEEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, I, I DO LIKE THIS WHOLE, THIS NATURE IDEA THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH TONIGHT.

UM, AND ANDY, TO YOUR POINT, I'VE, I'VE VISITED THAT.

UM, I THINK THE OTHER PART THAT WAS MENTIONED BACK HERE AS WELL, I'VE BEEN TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M A, I'M A BIG FELLER, SO I DON'T MIND GETTING OUT AND WALKING, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, CARRIAGE HILLS AND, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, A NICE NATURE AREA TO, TO GO OUT AND WALK IN.

UM, I THINK THAT'D BE PERFECT.

AND I KNOW ONE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO MAY BE WATCHING HERE TONIGHT HAS ALREADY AGREED TO STEP UP AND PARTNER, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE NATURE ASPECT OF IT.

UM, AND I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE BIRDS IN THE AREA, UM, HE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, REALLY LEND A HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AS WE MOVE THAT CONVERSATION FORWARD, OUR FRIENDS ARE ALREADY AT THE METRO PARKS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE COULD DEFINITELY LEND IN SOME, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.

UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

THANK YOU, SHEILA.

IT WASN'T FOR THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE VERY FIRST MEETING THE TOWN HALL, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU HAD THE BIKE ASSOCIATION JUST POUNDING US ABOUT THESE TRACKS THAT WERE GOING UP THERE, THE TRACKS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, YOU KNOW, SO NOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING BACK FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN TRIMBLE THE GUY FROM TREMBLE, WANTING TO BRING IN A GUY FROM OUT OF STATE TO DO THE TRACKS.

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IT IS FOR GROWING MEN AND WOMEN TO DRIVE HERE, BRING THEIR BIKE AND COMPETE.

NOW THE LEVEL OF, OF DESIGN ON THE PUMP TRACK, AND, AND THOSE WERE, AM I WRONG IN SAYING THAT THOSE WERE GEARED TOWARDS THE YOUNGER KIDS? THE TRACKS WERE, BUT NOT THOSE AGAIN, THE TRAILS WERE ALMOST AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING IN A GROUP SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CLEAN THOSE UP FOR YOU AND IT'D BE PRETTY COOL.

UM, IT WASN'T A DESIGN PLAN.

UM, AGAIN, AS FAR AS I KNOW THE MAJORITY, IF NOT, ALL OF THOSE ARE ALREADY THEY'RE EXISTING, THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO BE UTILIZED IN A BETTER FASHION.

BUT, UH, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S, I AM NOT LIKE I'VE STATED BEFORE.

I'M NOT MARRIED TO ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I JUST WANT A PARK SPACE FOR THE KIDS OR WARD ONE FOR THE VIEWS IN GENERAL.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO PLACE, THERE'S NO SPACE FOR THEM IN OUR AREA.

NO PARK WHATSOEVER.

SO INSTEAD OF BUFFERING ALL THESE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THERE'S ONLY SUPPOSEDLY ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK.

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THOSE SIDEWALKS OUT? WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THOSE FOUR ENTRANCES OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THEY'LL HAVE THEIR ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK.

I CAN SAY THOSE ENTRANCES ARE AT PRETTY MUCH EVERY PARK IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

I USED TO LIVE OVER BY COTTONWOOD THERE'S ENTRANCES COMING FROM THE PLATTS END TO THAT ONE.

UM, THEY'RE THERE TO PROVIDE THE LOCAL POPULATION, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE WITH A QUICKER VENUE INTO THE PARK, RATHER THAN GETTING IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVING ALL THE WAY AROUND AND COMING OVER TO IT.

THEY CAN JUST KIND OF CUT THROUGH THAT WAY.

IT'S FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS TO GET TO THOSE PARKS, EASIER TO WALK RATHER THAN DRIVE.

AND THEY'RE IN, LIKE I SAID, MOST, EVERY PARK THAT I'M AWARE OF, THEY, THEY HAVE THOSE ACCESS.

MR. WEBB, UH, TO THAT, I WOULD SAY YOU HEARD COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL SUGGESTS THAT THIS GO BACK TO PARKS AND REC AND ON OUR PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA.

AND FURTHER THAT, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO NOTIFY NOT ONLY THE, THE NEXT, THE RESIDENCE THAT, UH, BUT THE RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA TOO, THAT, UH, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PARKS DOWN THOSE SIDE ROADS THAT CAN ALL BE BROUGHT UP THROUGH THAT COMMITTEE.

I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO AT THIS POINT IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR IS LET'S TAKE THIS BACK A STEP.

LET'S TAKE IT TO PARKS AND REC, FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE WANT DON'T WANT THERE.

AND I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION HAS MERIT EITHER WAY W UH, PARKS AND REC CAN LOOK AT THAT AND TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL ENTRANCES OR EXITS OR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUFFERING US AS THE GENTLEMAN SUGGESTED ALL OF THAT CAN BE PUT TOGETHER AS A PLAN THAT WILL COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL AT A LATER DAY.

SHOWN UP OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FOUR TO SIX WEEKS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ADVOCATING FOR AND ASKING FOR IT.

I THINK WE'D BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T, I WOULD SAY ONE FINAL POINT THAT BELIEVE THIS IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IS, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE KIDS.

UM, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EVEN WHAT, MY DAYS IN MY YOUTH MIGHT'VE BEEN IN THAT PARTICULAR, UM, AND THOSE TRAILS, BUT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, THE MONTH OR SO THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS DIALOGUE, WHAT I HAVE NOT NOTICED, OR WHAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IS ANYBODY WITH ANY KIDS HERE, HERE AT OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, ASKING FOR A SPACE FOR THEIR KIDS TO, TO USE.

SO I, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE ASSUMING? AND WHEN I WAS WALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE, WHAT I HEARD WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, RETIRED FOLKS AND A LOT OF WIDOWERS AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, OF COURSE, THERE'S KIDS, OF COURSE, THERE'S FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE, BUT NOBODY WHO'S WHO LIVES THERE WITH A FAMILY OR WITH KIDS, OR COMING HERE, SPEAKING OUT, GOING, HEY, I NEED SOME PLACE FOR MY KIDS.

LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO SPEAKING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, THIS ISN'T, THIS, ISN'T WHAT WE WANT.

AND THE LACK OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR, FOR A PARK, FOR KIDS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO IN THAT AREA IS, IS QUITE STRIKING TO ME.

AND, UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO TAKE FROM THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST PEOPLE NOT BEING INVOLVED AND BEING ACTIVE AND NOT ADVOCATING FOR WHAT THEY WANT.

I THINK THERE CERTAINLY IS A BIGGER SEGMENT OF SOCIETY WHO ALWAYS SHOWS UP FOR THE THINGS THEY DON'T WANT.

SO I DO THINK THERE IS A PART OF THAT, BUT ALSO, BUT I AM, I AM KIND OF TAKEN ABACK BY THE LACK OF PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND KIDS WHO HAD UTILIZED THE SPACE THAT HAVE

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UM, WELL THAT SAID, THERE'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION, AND I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH NANCY.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? UH, JUST THAT I HOPE THAT WHEN THE, UM, SURVEY OR HOWEVER, THE PARKS AND REC, UH, DEPARTMENT, UH, AND THE COMMITTEE GO ABOUT THIS, THAT THEY WILL, UH, LIST SOME OPTIONS OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT CONSIDER, WHETHER IT BE A CHILDREN'S PARK, WHETHER IT BE A NATURE PATH.

I MEAN, THEY CAN COME UP WITH THEIR OWN OPTIONS, BUT IF THE, IF THE WORD COMES BACK THAT THERE'S LESS INTERESTED, UH, IN A PARK, A CHILDREN'S PARK, THEN WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED.

SO I, I, UM, I HOPE THAT WHEN THEY DO THAT SURVEY, THAT THEY REACH OUT BEYOND THOSE FEW STREETS THAT ARE AROUND THERE AND, AND GET INPUT FROM, FROM THE FAMILIES THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, MORE YOUNGER CHILDREN AND TO FIND OUT IF THEY WOULD, IF THEY WOULD ENJOY IT.

PERSONALLY, MY HOPE IS THAT THERE IS A COMPROMISE, BUT, BUT I THINK THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, AND I THINK THIS COUNTS AS BE PREPARED THAT IF THE CITIZENS COME AND SAY THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THAT IS A RESOUNDING NO, FOR ANYTHING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TOO.

ALTHOUGH MY, MY PERSONAL PAIN, MY PERSONAL HOPE IS THERE IS SOME TYPE OF A COMPROMISE OF SOMETHING IN THAT AREA, BUT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY AND WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE BEFORE ANYTHING MOVES FORWARD.

GLENN, UH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT MY TIME ON THIS COUNCIL, NOT EVEN, OR EVEN BEFORE THAT HEAVILY ATTENDING CITY MEETINGS, UM, YOU IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN RARE.

IT'S ALMOST UNHEARD OF THAT.

PEOPLE COME OUT AND GO, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, I SUPPORT THAT.

THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.

WE ONLY SEE THOSE AGAINST THINGS.

NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, THERE MAY BE THE STRAIGHT PERSON THAT COMES IN AND GO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING, IT'S, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE OPPOSITION.

WE NEVER SEE ANYBODY JUST LIKE NEVER BILBY EVER COMES IN AND GOES, HEY, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK AND TELL YOU GUYS WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU'RE DOING.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN EITHER.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH A LOT OF FOLKS OVER THE YEARS IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PLAY AREA PARK AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE KIDS IN THAT AREA.

THERE ARE A LOT STILL A LOT OF KIDS IN THAT AREA.

A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE AS WELL, A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF KIDS.

I SEE THEM WALKING AND PLAYING ALL THE TIME, BUT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

THAT WE HAVE TO DO, UM, BECAUSE, AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEXT PART OF THIS MAY TAKE PART OF THAT AS WELL.

SO, UH, ANY OTHER, I GUESS, JENNIFER, UM, WHENEVER THE PARKS DOES THEIR PIECE, I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS IS VISUALS.

SO YOUR DEFINITION OF A CHILDREN'S PARK MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN MINE.

AND I THINK HAVING VISUALS OF WHAT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS A CHILDREN'S PARK CAUSE EVERYONE'S BOX LIFE IS DIFFERENT, WILL BE VERY HELPFUL TO TRY AND NARROW IN ON THAT COMPROMISE THAT EVERYONE'S LOOKING TO TRY AND DO.

UM, JUST A SUGGESTION ON THAT PIECE OF LIKE, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE SAY AS A CHILDREN'S PARK OR HERE'S WHAT A NATURE'S PARK WE'RE SHOWING.

UM, LIKE MR. HILL WAS SAYING THAT ONE PART, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE WITH TRUE PICTURES.

LIKE I GET THAT THIS IS A DIAGRAM AND EVERYTHING AT ALL, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE REALISTIC MAY HELP TRY AND GET EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

AND JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IS I THINK THAT WILL BE GREAT.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, UH, TABLING THE CURRENT LEGISLATION AS IT EXISTS.

UM, UNTIL WE HAVE MORE FEEDBACK THROUGH, UM, JOSH WHO IS OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR PARKS COMMISSION.

UM, SO I WOULD ASK TONY, I GUESS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MEXICAN, WHAT'S THE CLEANEST WAY OF HANDLING THAT BECAUSE THE, THERE HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED MONEY AND ALL THAT.

SO WHAT DO WE LEGISLATIVELY? WE HAVE TO DO TO, TO WALK THAT BACK TO TABLE THIS, TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO NEXT.

UM, ON THE CURRENT ITEM, THAT'S AT THE FOURTH READING, IT WOULD JUST TAKE THEM OFF MOTION TO POSTPONE ACTION INDEFINITELY, WHICH BASICALLY IS A TABLING OR KILL MOTION, WHICH WOULD REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMES FORTH FROM THE FUTURE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, THEN THEY CAN BRING THAT FORTH.

THERE'S NEW LEGISLATION TO TAKE ACTION ON.

UM, AS FAR AS THE APPROPRIATIONS, UM, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE AN ACCOUNTING THING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME REALLOCATION OF THOSE APPROPRIATIONS BACK TO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

UM, THAT'D BE MORE OF A SCOTT QUESTION.

JIM LEE, JIM LEFT ALREADY, I THINK, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S APPROPRIATED, WE CAN'T SPEND IT WITHOUT COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZATION, SO THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING

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SO, UM, YEAH, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT FREE REIN FOR STAFF TO SPEND.

IT GIVES OUR ANY OBJECTIONS, UH, OR A MAJORITY OF OBJECTION TO A POSTPONING ACTION AND DEFINITELY AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY.

SO YOU HAVE NO OBJECTIONS, THIS MOTION, OR THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM WILL BE POSTPONED INDEFINITELY UNTIL WE HAVE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FROM OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR PARKS RECREATION BOARD BASED ON INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

SO THE REST OF THIS, THE REST OF OUR PRESENTATION, WE HAVE HERE MOVED TO THE OPEN AREA STUFF THAT WE WERE ASKED TO MAYBE FIND OTHER LOCATIONS FOR.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT SCOTT WAS REFERRING TO WHERE MAYBE THE REST OF THIS WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MONEY.

UM, SO THIS IS MONITA FIELD, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE SKATE PARKS GOING, UM, RIGHT OUTSIDE THAT PARKING LOT IS WHERE THEY STARTED THE PADDLE READY.

UM, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT AREA, THE OPEN AREA, IF YOU GO ALONG THE, THE PARKING LOT AND UP THE HILL, THERE IS ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF ROUGHLY.

SO THIS IS A LAYOUT THAT AMERICAN RAMP DID.

THE RED IS THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE SKATE PARK THAT IS BEING THE PAD THAT'S BEING POURED RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE PURPLE ARMOR BMX TRACK WAS WHAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE AT THAT SITE.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT TO THEM AND SAID, HEY, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THESE OTHER AMENITIES FROM DIAL AND PUT THEM IN THERE? UM, SO WE CAN FIT A PUMP, TRACK, A VERY SMALL ONE, UM, THERE, AND THEN WE COULD ADD THE SKILLS LOOP UP AROUND THAT UPPER AREA.

UM, BUT PART OF THAT SKILLS LOOP IS A PRETTY STEEP HILL WHERE IT GOES TO THAT TOP LEVEL.

UM, THE PROBLEM HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO PUT IN THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND, UH, WHICH WAS PART OF, OF THE OPEN AREA, UH, SUGGESTED IT DIAL AND YOU'RE TAKING WHAT WAS IN A TWO TO TWO AND A HALF ACRE AREA AND PUTTING IT IN A, ROUGHLY ONE AND A HALF ACRE AREA.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CRAMPED.

IT DOESN'T A LOT OF SPACE TO ADD THE, UM, THE BENCHES AND THE SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WERE ASKED, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS CREATES A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES, UM, THAT WE'RE ALREADY GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS BECAUSE OF THE SKATE PARK PAD, GOING OVER TO THE CHURCH, UH, IN THE PAST, WHEN THE POOL WAS LEAKING, A LOT OF THAT WATER WAS FLOODING INTO THEIR BUILDING.

UM, AND, UH, WHEN THE, THE POOL WAS LEAKING UNDERGROUND.

SO NOW THAT WE'RE PUTTING ALL THIS IN PERMEABLE SURFACE IN, AND IF WE ADD EVEN MORE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO PUT THAT WATER AT.

UM, THE OTHER IDEA THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THIS IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY, UH, JOSH, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO GO BACK TO THAT ONE, UM, HAVE WE DETERMINED WHAT THE USAGE IS ON THOSE TWO BALLPARKS THAT ARE BACK THERE? YES.

ONE OF THEM IS CURRENTLY BEING USED WEEKLY AND THE LEAGUE THAT USES IT ASKED IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE FIELDS REDONE AND THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THEM NEXT SEASON IF THEY, IF WE COULD HAVE BOTH OF THEM AVAILABLE FOR THEIR USE FOR NEXT SEASON.

BUT THE ONE IS NOT THE ONES NOT BEING USED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE REDONE.

IT NEEDS WORK DONE TO IT.

UH, THE OTHER ONE, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF HALFWAY SKIM THE WEEDS OUT AND THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THE ONE ON THE LEFT FOR THIS SEASON JUST TO GET THEM THROUGH BECAUSE THEY HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SIZES ARE DAY THE DISTANCE FROM THE, A PITCHING MOUND TO THE, TO THE PLATE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A SHORTER DISTANCE ON THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.

I, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT.

I JUST KNOW THAT THEY REQUESTED, IF WE COULD GET BOTH FIELDS REDONE, THAT THEY WOULD USE THEM NEXT SEASON AND MAINTAIN THEM.

LEAVES OR THE ROOM BEHIND THE BUILDING FOR EXPANSION.

SO THE NEXT ONE IS, SO THIS IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING, THE BASKETBALL COURTS.

UH, IF YOU GO FROM PRETTY MUCH THE EDGE OF THE BASKETBALL COURT OVER TO ABOUT 55 21, AND JUST TAKE THAT WHOLE TOP SQUARE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.

UM, SO WE WENT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THREW THIS ADAM AS WELL AND SAID, HEY, WHAT COULD YOU PUT IN THERE STILL LEAVING US ROOM BEHIND THE BUILDING FOR WHAT WE NEED TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS WE MAY NEED TO DO LATER.

AND THIS WAS THE DESIGN THEY CAME UP WITH.

UM, SO NOW YOU'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT STUFF.

THAT AGAIN AT DIAL WAS IN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF ACRES WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF, AND YOU'RE DUMPING IT INTO A FOUR AND A HALF ACRE PLOT.

NOW CREATING MORE SPACE TO SPREAD IT OUT.

WE CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER PUMP TRACK IN, UM, THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND IS NOW BACK SINCE WE COULDN'T HAVE IT AT MANITA.

AND THEN THAT, UH, SKILLS LOOP TRAIL THAT GOES AROUND AND SOME OF THAT CAN GO THROUGH THE TREE LAWN ON THE EDGE AS WELL, STILL LEAVES SPACE FOR THE SCOUTS IN THE BACK THAT HAVE REQUESTED TO POSSIBLY HAVE A PLACE TO CAMP AT, UH, STILL

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YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE THE SHELTER HOUSE ON THE SIDE AND THERE WAS ALREADY A WALK PATH THAT GOES BACK AND KIND OF DUMPS OUT.

I THINK, BETWEEN, UH, THERE ALONG 55, 1, IT KIND OF DROPS BEHIND THE APARTMENTS THERE.

THE GOOD THING HERE IS THIS IS STILL, YOU KNOW, WARD ONE.

IT'S STILL BRINGING THIS AMENITY INTO THAT AREA, WHICH LIKE THEY STATED WARD ONE HAS NO AMENITIES AS OF NOW.

SO BY PUTTING IT HERE, THE FARTHER SOUTH YOU GET IN WARD ONE, THE LESS THERE IS.

SO THIS IS TAKING THIS AND PUTTING IT IN AN AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEING USED FOR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S ALSO OPENING UP, NOT JUST THAT SECTION AWARD ONE, BUT WARD, I BELIEVE IS FIVE ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 2 0 2 THERE'S SIDEWALKS THAT COME RIGHT ACROSS THERE.

AND THEY ACTUALLY END RIGHT AT THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO IT CREATES A WHOLE ACCESSIBLE AREA NOW THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND GET OVER THERE TAKES THE PROBLEM AWAY FROM DIAL PARK, ALL THE STUFF THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT.

THERE STILL GIVES US SOMEWHERE TO PUT IT, TO PROVIDE THESE AMENITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT ALSO CREATES OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THAT PART OF TOWN.

AS OF RIGHT NOW.

UM, I KNOW WHEN TOMMY ZULA WAS HERE, HE BROUGHT UP THE ASPECT ABOUT SCHOLARSHIPS.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF UNCLAIMED SCHOLARSHIPS EVERY YEAR FOR SOME OF THESE CYCLING SPORTS.

AND BY HAVING THE COMMUNITY CENTER THERE AND HAVING THESE AMENITIES BACK THERE, IT CREATES A SPACE WHERE THROUGH GRANTS THROUGH OUTRIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE COULD GET, UM, BICYCLES TOGETHER TO START A TEAM, TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO PRACTICE THAT THAT WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, CREATE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR SOME PEOPLE IN THIS AREA AS WELL.

AND THEN, UH, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE PARKS AND REC BOARD THURSDAY EVENING AT OUR MEETING AND LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE TWO DESIGNS BETWEEN MONITA AND POWELL ROAD, UH, I THINK PARKS AND REC BOARD, THEY VOTED THAT THERE, THEIR THOUGHT WAS POWELL ROAD WAS THE BEST LOCATION FOR THAT.

UH, AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME.

I MEAN, IT GIVES YOU MORE SPACE TO SPREAD THINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'RE NOT CRAMMING IT IN AS IF WE WERE TO MOVE EVERYTHING SOME ONITA.

SO IT KIND OF GIVES US A LITTLE MORE SPACE TO PLAY WITH AS WELL.

YEAH, JOSH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU PUT IN ON THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT COMPROMISE IN A NICE LOCATION FOR IT.

AND THE MORE I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT TURNS INTO A BETTER LOCATION FOR THE BICYCLE STUFF BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S AT.

UM, AND IT GETS TO BE SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THAT AREA CERTAINLY IS AN AREA THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS SOME ACTIVITY AS WELL.

AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT SOLUTION.

I THINK IT'LL WORK.

UM, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

NUMBER ONE.

UM, YOU KEEP SAYING THAT WARD ONE DOESN'T HAVE A PARK.

WELL, WARD ONE DOES HAVE A PARK RIGHT THERE.

IT'S GOT, UM, THAT PARK RIGHT.

THERE HAS A PLAYGROUND.

IT HAS A PAVILION.

IT HAS A REALLY NICE BENCHES IN IT.

IT'S GOT A BASKETBALL COURT AND OF COURSE THEY NEED TO BE UPGRADED, BUT THEY'VE GOT A PARK.

THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY THERE.

AND MY HEARTBURN WITH THIS IS THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PRETTIEST PLACES THAT IS THOSE GROUNDS BEHIND THAT CENTER.

PROBABLY THE MOST PRISTINE PLACES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY.

AND IS THAT GENTLEMEN, UH, ZIGLAR STOOD UP HERE AND SAID, ONE DAY, WE NEED TO PRESERVE SOME OF THESE PLACES.

AND I PERSONALLY COULD THINK OF ANOTHER USE FOR THAT VENUE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY ON EXACTLY HOW WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PROPERTY USE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME RAISED BEDS IN THERE FOR GARDENING THAT THE EAGLE SCOUTS PUT IN.

THERE'S A HUNDRED DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR HOW WE COULD USE THAT PROPERTY.

AND I WOULD REALLY HATE TO SEE THINGS TORN DOWN OR, UM, JUST ALL THAT BEAUTIFUL SPACE TO GO AWAY.

UM, THE BUILDING ITSELF HAS REALLY GREAT FACILITIES INSIDE THAT WE COULD TURN INTO AN EVENT VENUE OR SOMETHING.

UH, THERE'S OFFICES IN THERE.

THERE'S A WONDERFUL ROOM FOR MEETINGS WHERE DIFFERENT CLUBS COULD GO IN THERE AND, AND USE IT, UM, WHICH THEY COULD STILL DO WITH THAT THERE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU WANTED YOUR EVENT TO SPILL OUT INTO THE BACK, IF THERE'S SKATING GOING ON, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVACY.

BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF A, UM, SURVEY OR SOMETHING DONE TO THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, HOW DO YOU WANT TO USE THIS? AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE THINGS GOING IN MANITA BECAUSE IT'S MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED AND BEING WAY OUT THERE ON THE FRINGE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW KIDS CAN ACTUALLY GET OUT THERE AND WHY THEY WOULD RIDE CLAIRE ACROSS TOWN

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TO USE THOSE BIKE PATHS, UM, TO, SO TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINTS.

SO THE RAISED BEDS WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED BY ANY OF THIS THEY'RE OFF ON THE FRONT LEFT-HAND SIDE.

AND WE PLAN TO EXPAND THAT AREA AS WELL.

UM, AND IF YOU LOOK RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE.

THERE'S THE ONE LITTLE CLIMBING STRUCTURE BY THE SHELTER, UM, THAT IS IN NEED OF SOME REPAIR ITSELF, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS BACK THERE HAD TO BE TORN OUT.

IT DID NOT PASS INSPECTION.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING A MEETING AND IT'S SPILLING OUT INTO THEIR WELL, IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY RENTS A SHELTER AT THE PARK, THEY DON'T GET, UM, PRIVATE USE OF THE PLAYGROUND.

THAT'S NEXT TO THEIR SHELTER HOUSE.

ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO COME TO THAT PLAYGROUND.

THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN SKATING.

WELL, THIS ISN'T SKATING, THIS IS BICYCLE STUFF, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S TAKING SOMETHING THAT WAS A PROBLEM HERE AND CREATING THE SOLUTION FOR IT DOWN HERE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THE PROBLEM WITH MONITA IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE CRAMPING IT ALL IN THERE.

AND, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS AS WELL WITH THE OPEN AREA AT DIAL WAS IT'S TOO, THERE'S TOO MUCH THERE.

IT'S TOO CROWDED.

SO THIS, THIS TAKES CARE OF THE CROWDING ISSUE, BUT STILL LEAVES US OPEN SPACE.

UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE SCOUT TROOPS HAVE ASKED, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN CAMP BACK THERE AND THIS STILL LEAVES THEM SPACE THE CAMP IN THE EVENING, LIKE THEY WANT TO DO, UM, IT, IT LEAVES US ROOM TO EXPAND THE BUILDING IF WE NEED TO OUT THE BACK, BUT THAT WHOLE BACKSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY WHILE I AGREE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

IT'S, THERE'S A, A LITTLE WOODED AREA OF TREES.

AND IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY BACK, IT'S NOTHING BUT TRASH RIGHT NOW.

IT'S JUST KINDA, AS THE WIND BLOWS, IT COLLECTS ALONG THE BACK END.

BUT IF YOU PUT A GAZEBO BACK THERE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT COULD TURN INTO A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING VENUE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A HUNDRED DIFFERENT USES THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT IN THERE, BUT IT, I MEAN, EVERYBODY ON THIS DIOCESE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA AS WHAT EVERYBODY OUT HERE.

SO I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, THIS IS THE RIGHT USE.

AND, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, MS. BAKER WENT OUT AND TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THE CHILDREN THAT PLAY OUT THERE AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.

SO WITH THIS, THEN WHEN YOU'RE ASKING ME TO SURVEY, ARE WE SERVING JUST THE PEOPLE AROUND THERE? OR ARE WE SURVEYING EVERYONE? THE COMMUNITY ASSET, THIS COMMUNITY CENTER IS NEW.

SO NO, BUT, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT EXISTS.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO USE SUCH A LARGE PIECE OF LAND, A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND, UM, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO IMPROVE IT.

I MEAN, DO WE REALLY, IS THERE A BIG ENOUGH AUDIENCE TO, TO A BIG ENOUGH DEMAND TO USE IT FOR THE PROPOSED DESIGN RIGHT THERE? OR IS THERE SOME OTHER WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT USED THAT WOULD DRAW IN MORE PEOPLE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE A, A REAL COMMUNITY CENTER WHERE YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND HAVE A FAMILY GATHERING A FAMILY REUNION, OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA.

I MEAN, WELL, MY, MY QUESTION JUST IS, THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING.

SO IF THIS IS, I MEAN, EVERY PARK THAT WE HAVE AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, BUT FOR DIAL, WE'RE JUST ASKING THE PEOPLE THERE, BUT HERE WE WANT TO ASK EVERYBODY, SO THAT'S OKAY.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION MYSELF.

MARK.

WHEN WE DO THAT SURVEY, WILL YOU USE THE SAME TEMPLATE THAT YOU USED FOR THE MANITA EXPANSION, OR WILL YOU USE THE SAME TEMPLATE SURVEY THAT YOU USED PRIOR TO US DECIDING TO UPGRADE THE NITA? I'M NOT SURE WHAT TEMPLATE YOU MEAN? WE DIDN'T USE ONE.

SO WE DIDN'T SURVEY THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WE SPEAK.

SO I, I HAVE A DISCONNECT AND, AND I AGREE WITH NANCY A HUNDRED PERCENT, THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE KEEP MISSING IS MANITA WAS A SPORTS FIELD BEFORE MANITA SURROUNDED ON THE ONE SIDE'S TOTALLY BUFFER FROM THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.

SO IT'S NOT A BIG THING THAT WE GO IN THERE AND IMPROVE THAT AND ADD AMENITIES, NOT LIKE IT WAS TO GO IN THERE AND ADD THINGS TO DIAL PARK BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FACE OF THE RESIDENTS.

THIS IS ON THE OUTSKIRTS AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO LET'S DECIDE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS US TO USE THAT FOR MAN.

UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WENT TO THE PARK AND REC COMMITTEE THURSDAY EVENING.

IT DOES, IT DOES MEET ALL OF OUR NEEDS WHEN IT COMES TO A BIKE, HAVING A BIKE PARK.

VINCE, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THIS AND UPDATE US ON WHAT THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT? THANKS, KING, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD CHAIR.

UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS SPECIFIC PARK HERE, UM,

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR WAS IF AN AREA WHERE KIDS OR ADULTS CAN STILL GO AND PLAY FLAG FOOTBALL OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF SPORT OVER THERE, UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER CAN STILL BE USED IN ANY MEANS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING.

AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT THE GARDEN BEDS.

UM, AND EVERYONE ON THE BOARD, YOU SEE NORTH NORTH IN THE SOUTH FOR THE ENTIRE IDEA OF SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS, UM, AS IT, AS IT IS, MY ONLY THING WAS FIELD SPACE.

YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO GET A GROUP OF TEENAGERS OR ADULTS TO PLAY FLAG FOOTBALL, KICKBALL IS THAT, IS THERE A SPACE THERE FOR THAT? AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAINTAIN.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE WAS ONE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COMMITTEE WAS THIS, UH, WAS PASSED.

THANK YOU, MAYOR STAFF AND YOUR EBONY OPINION.

WITH FAMILIES AND HOUSING, UM, THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO W ONE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, HAD, UH, OUR, OUR PARKS MANAGER LOOK AT THIS AND WE DID DISCUSS SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME PROS AND CONS ABOUT, UH, THE SITES AND THE MR. KING DID BRING UP ABOUT, UH, THE DRAINAGE AT, UH, MANITA WHERE THAT, UH, WITH ADDING MORE AND MORE TO THAT, UH, WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT A DETENTION BASIN OF SOME SORTS OUT FRONT, UH, WHICH TAKES UP A LITTLE MORE SPACE.

UM, AND SOME OF THE FEATURES TO BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING IN THERE, IT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVING ONE OF THOSE BASEBALL DIAMONDS, WHICH, UH, UM, WAS NOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS MANAGER TO DO SO, UM, THIS SITE, UM, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER SITES AS WELL, OTHER PARKS ABOUT, UH, WHETHER, UH, WHAT THE PROS AND CONS WERE.

AND, UH, THIS COMES OUT AS THE RECOMMENDATION.

RICHARD, THANK YOU, MAN.

THANKS, MAN.

UM, YEAH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH, UH, WITH, UH, SURVEY IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WENT AND DID.

UM, UH, JUST THIS EVENING, UM, OR I'M SORRY, JUSTICE AFTERNOON.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY TIMELINE IS CORRECT.

UM, THIS AFTERNOON, UH, I CONTACTED A REPRESENTATIVE OF PINE RIDGE TOWN HOMES, WHICH HAS 144, A TWO BEDROOM UNITS, UH, VERY CLOSE TO HERE, UH, SPOKE WITH KELLY HAWES, UH, WHICH IS THE, UM, UH, MANAGER, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT FACILITY.

UM, AND, UH, SHE ADVISED ME THAT I CAN, UM, ADVISE THIS COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.

UH, THEY OPENLY ENDORSED THIS, UH, THIS PROPOSAL.

ADDITIONALLY, A WAYNE DEAL APARTMENTS.

I SPOKE WITH KENNEDY.

UM, THEY OPERATE 104 UNITS, UH, IN THIS AREA.

UH, SAME SITUATION.

THEY OPENLY ENDORSE THIS PROPOSAL, UH, WOODVIEW PLACE, UH, SPOKE WITH BECKY.

UH, THERE ARE 76 UNITS THAT THEY OPERATE, UH, NEAR HERE.

UM, AND THEY ALSO OPENLY ENDORSED THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, THIS PROPOSAL AND JOSH PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR I'M OFF.

UM, I BELIEVE THIS PLAN AS WELL AS SOME OF THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED, UM, WOULD COVER ABOUT, UH, 50% OF THE MASTER PARKS, TOP 25 ITEMS. I THINK THAT WAS RECENTLY DISCUSSED.

UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, I KNOW I SPOKE WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM DESTINY'S CHURCH WHO IS RIGHT OVER THERE AS WELL.

UM, WE ARE WHERE YOUR GIRLS, UM, HEIGHTS, NUTRITION AND FOOD BAZAAR, ALL BUSINESSES LOCATED RIGHT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, ALL WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY CAN HELP MAKE THIS A SUCCESS AS THEY ENDORSE THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, SO, UM, I KNOW, UH, I KNOW WE'D LIKE TO SURVEY THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE PROVIDED NAMES AND CONTACTS OF WHO I SPOKE WITH, UM, AGAIN, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD WITH HER, A UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

UM, I JUST THINK IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

WE DO EXACTLY WHAT THE, THIS OVERALL COMMUNITY ASKED US TO DO, UH, WITH THE MASTER PARKS PLAN.

AND WE PUT AN AREA AS A COUNCIL IN BIRCH DATED HAS, UM, NOT, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE.

SO, UH, WE'RE PUTTING CITY, UH, SUPPORT AND WEIGHT BEHIND IT AND MAKING THIS A TRUE GYM, UH, TO REALLY SERVE NOT ONLY THE OVERALL COMMUNITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AS FAR AS MY OPINION AS A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERSERVED RIGHT NOW, UH, AND REALLY, UH, NEEDS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, SOME ATTENTION, UM, AND SOME AMENITIES IN THAT AREA.

AND THAT WAS REPRESENTED BY KELLY KENNEDY AND BECKY WHEN I SPOKE WITH THEM, UM, AS THEY, UH, HAVE SPENT, UH, UH, I THINK A COLLECTIVE OF OVER 60 YEARS IN COMBINATION, UM, DEALING

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SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOSH, FOR YOUR GREAT WORK ON THAT.

THANK YOU, MARY.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

JOSH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LENGTH OF THE TRACK, THE SKILLS LOOP AT DIAL? WHAT WAS THAT GOING TO BE? UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT PART IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE COMPANY HAS MATCHED THE ORIGINAL LENGTH OF THAT TO THIS LOOP HERE, UH, BECAUSE THE COST WAS GOING TO BE THE SAME.

AND I TOLD THEM, I SAID, TAKE WHAT WE HAVE AND MAKE IT WORK.

SO THEY RECONFIGURED IT TO MAKE IT FIT IN THERE.

HOW LONG WAS MENDIETA'S TRACK GOING TO BE? IT WAS GOING TO BE SMALLER TO FIT IT IN THERE.

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE LEARNING HOW TO RIDE, CORRECT? YEAH.

THESE ARE AREAS TO, TO TEACH THEM.

SO PAL ROAD, HOW LONG WILL THAT TRACK BE? THE SKILLS LOOP I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME A BREAKDOWN OF LINEAR FEET WITH THAT ONE.

THEY JUST, WHEN I, WHEN I INSTRUCTED THEM TAKE WHAT WE HAD AT DIAL AND MAKE IT FIT, THEY SAID MANITA IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER TRAIL.

THIS WE CAN FIT THE SAME, UH, LINEAR FEED IN, BUT I DIDN'T CHECK WITH THEM EXACTLY WHAT THE MEASUREMENT WAS CAUSE THIS ISN'T A FINAL DESIGN.

THIS IS JUST THE, AS A PARENT, WHO'S TAUGHT SOMEONE HOW TO RIDE.

I THINK WE SIT AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME TO PICK UP PARENTS WHO WERE TRYING TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO RIDE ON A PATH THAT LONG.

IT SEEMS OVEREXUBERANT FOR A CHILD LEARNING TO RIDE, TO BE RIDING THAT FAR.

THE SKILLS LOOP IS MORE, ONCE THEY GRADUATE, THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TEACHING THEM AT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A SMALLER AREA.

THAT'S WHERE YOU JUST KIND OF STAND THERE AND GUIDE THEM AS THEY GO ALONG AND HAVE A, BUT EVEN AS THEY START, THEY STILL, THEY STILL FALL.

SO THAT SEEMS OVEREXUBERANT.

UM, DID YOU TALK TO THE RESIDENTS, UH, BUDDING TO MANITA AS TO WHAT THEY WANTED? THAT'S WHY THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT.

I SPOKE TO THEM FRIDAY AND I HAD TOWN HALL WITH ABOUT 15 RESIDENTS UNDER 12, 12 TO 17.

I'M SORRY.

UM, THEY WANT TO CHAIN THAT'S FOR THE BASKETBALL.

THEY WANTED SWINGS.

THEY WANTED, UM, A MERRY-GO-ROUND THEY WANTED A SLIDE.

THEY WANTED A WATER FOUNTAIN.

THEY WANTED RESTROOMS. THEY WANTED TWO BASKETBALL COURTS WITH BENCHES AND THEY ALSO WANT TO SHADE IF THEY COULD UNDER BENCHES UNDER THE SHADE, I'M SORRY, ON POWELL ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED.

THEY DID NOT WANT A SKILLS LOOP, A PUMP TRACK, OR BICYCLE.

WHEN I ASKED THEM, WHEN I DID ASK THEM, THEY DID NOT WANT THIS.

SO MR. SHAW, WHEN YOU QUESTIONED YOUR APARTMENT MANAGERS, DO THEY LIVE IN THOSE APARTMENTS AND HAVE CHILDREN? I, UH, I HONESTLY DID NOT ASK KELLY KENNEDY OR BECKY IF THEY RESIDED IN THOSE, UH, IN THOSE UNITS.

WELL, WHY DON'T YOU CHECK BACK WITH YOUR THREE CONTACTS AND SAID YES TO SOMETHING, WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIVE THERE AND YOU'LL GET BACK TO US.

AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE ON PLANS TO BE PUT BACK IN THE ENTIRE PLAYGROUND OUT THERE.

I'M, I'M ALREADY WITH SOMEBODY TO GET A DESIGNED, TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT.

THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THE LOCATION WHERE IT WAS, IS LINE OF SIGHT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TO THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, PUTTING IT THERE.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE AT THE GAZEBO AND THEIR KID WANTS TO GO OVER AND PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND.

THEY'RE NOT, WELL, THEY'RE NOT HIDDEN BEHIND A BUILDING.

VINCE AND I BOTH HAVE BEEN TO THE CENTER AND OBSERVED YOU GET KIDS OVER PLAYING BASKETBALL AND THEIR LITTLE SIBLINGS OVER ON THE CLIMBER AND THEY CAN'T SEE EACH OTHER.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS TO BE REDUNDANT AT THE FACILITY.

BUT ALL OF THAT IS DIRECTLY AROUND THE BUILDING.

THIS WAS JUST TAKING THE PROBLEM FROM DIAL AND PUTTING IN A SOLUTION IN THIS BACKFIELD.

DID YOU CHECK WITH COTTONWOOD OR BELL PLAIN OR COMMUNITY PARK TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE A MORE LOGICAL PLACE? IT WOULDN'T FIT AT IT.

WOULDN'T FIT AT BELL PLANE AND IT WOULDN'T FIT AT, UM, COTTONWOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE BASEBALL FIELDS THERE AS WELL, A COMMUNITY PARK.

YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PLAY DISC GOLF IF YOU HAD THIS IN THERE.

SO IT WOULDN'T WORK THERE EITHER.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, SINCE A LOT OF OUR, WE'VE LOST A LOT OF OUR BALL TEAMS OR OUR LITTLE LEAGUE AND STUFF, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, UH, THE, TO THE ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO TWO FIELDS THAT MANITA COULD BE REDIRECTED TO CLOUD PARK OR SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEIR FIELDS, WHICH WOULD LEAVE US OPEN TO THE EXTRA SPACE BACK THERE TO FIT THESE IN ANY, WELL, WE HAVE NOT GOT WORD.

THAT LITTLE LEAGUE IS NOT COMING BACK.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SEASON LAST YEAR DUE TO COVID.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SEASON THIS YEAR DUE TO VOLUNTEERS, BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS USED THE BASEBALL FIELDS AT CLOUD PARK.

BECAUSE THEY LIKE HAVING THE TWO FIELDS RIGHT THERE.

UM, AND AS FAR AS COTTONWOODS FIELDS, THE YMC USES THOSE FOR THEIR T-BALL LEAGUE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I'M AGAINST REMOVING AMENITIES FROM PARKS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD AMENITIES, YOU DON'T TEAR SOMETHING OUT TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS GROUP HAS ASKED FOR THAT LOCATION

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THEY LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT A MASSIVE PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYTHING'S JUST KIND OF CENTRALIZED THERE FOR THEM SO THEY CAN HAVE PARENTS IF THEY HAVE A YOUNGER KID, OLDER KID, WHATEVER, THEY CAN SEE EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S GOING ON ON THOSE TWO FIELDS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, I GOT TO SEE A REPORT OF THE USAGE OF ALL OF OUR BALL FIELDS, WHAT PERCENTAGE THERE BE BEING USED.

AND IF THERE ARE IN FACT, ANY AVAILABLE FIELDS THAT, THAT WE COULD ASSIGN THEM TO THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER, ANY, ANY AT THIS POINT, ANY FIELD THAT WE ASSIGN THEM TO, IT'S GONNA, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO COMPLETELY REDO THE FIELDS BECAUSE ALL OF THEM HAVE, HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED BECAUSE WE HAVE NO ONE THAT CAN HANDLE THOSE.

I UNDERSTAND.

UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THERE ARE FIELDS AVAILABLE, THEN IT'S, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF JUST REMOVING FIELDS.

IT'S, IT'S PLACING THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND BECAUSE THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN USED VERY MUCH THE ONE NOT AT ALL.

AND WE COULD EXPAND MORE OF THOSE, MORE OF THOSE, UH, FEATURES INTO MANITA PARK.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ACTUAL USAGE IS ON OUR BASEBALL FIELDS BEFORE WE DECIDE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

DAWN, THANK YOU, MIRA.

UM, JOSH, DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER PARKS OTHER THAN JUST THESE TWO COMMUNITY CENTER PARK AND MANITO PARK? YES.

WHAT OTHER PARTS DID YOU LOOK CONSIDER? AND SCOTT AND I ACTUALLY, WE DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THIS ONE AT FIRST.

SO WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH, WE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING, RIPRAP PARK FLOODS.

YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING THERE BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU PUT IN IS GOING TO GET RUINED FOUR TO FIVE TIMES A YEAR.

AGAIN, BELL PLANE'S TOO SMALL.

IT ALSO HAS WATER ISSUES ON THE MARK.

UM, I THINK IT'S THE, CUL-DE-SAC THERE ON THAT.

ON THAT END, UM, UH, COMMUNITY PARK, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DISC GOLF COURSE ANYMORE AND YOU ALREADY DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE PARKING THERE EITHER.

UM, COTTONWOOD, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BASEBALL FIELDS IN THE BACK AREA THERE, UM, SHELL GATE, YOU'VE GOT BASEBALL FIELDS ON ONE SIDE, THERE'S A FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE THAT USES THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THAT AREA IN THE MIDDLE IS PRETTY WET.

UH, AGAIN, IN A PARKING LOT, THERE IS ALREADY NOT SUITABLE FOR THAT FACILITY.

UM, AND THEN RIP RAP, YOU MENTIONED RIP RAP.

SO I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE WE GOT HERE.

OH YEAH.

BACK HERE, GARY SHERMAN.

UM, WE LOOK BACK HERE, BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM BACK HERE WITH SINKHOLES EVERY TWO YEARS WE'RE GOING IN AND WE'RE FILLING IN SINK HOLES BECAUSE THAT PARK WAS A TRASH DUMP, WAS A, A CONSTRUCTION SITE DUMP.

AND WE'RE GOING IN THERE ALL THE TIME, JUST DUMPING LOADS OF DIRT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SETTLING STILL GOING ON.

ANYTHING YOU WERE TO PUT ON TOP OF THAT YOU POTENTIALLY LOSE, UM, AND LOSE THE USE OF BECAUSE THEY CAN POTENTIALLY JUST SINK IN THE GROUND AND CRACKING THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN, UM, YOU AND I LOOKED DOWN THERE AT COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND AT THAT TIME YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF MAYBE PUTTING A PAVILION OUT BACK AND MORE COMMUNITY USES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO IF I HAVE A CONCERN, ONE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT THIS IS A VASTLY DIFFERENT USE FOR THAT FACILITY THAN EVEN WHAT YOU WERE THINKING JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

UM, THE, UM, ACREAGE HERE VERSUS THE ACREAGE OF MANITA IS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH IN YOUR MIND, EVEN IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER WHAT COUNCILMAN BERGE WAS BRINGING UP, UM, USING THE BASEBALL FIELD AREA FOR, UH, SOME OF THIS, UH, TRACK AND PLAYGROUND, UM, IS THERE THAT SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE ACREAGE BETWEEN THESE TWO PARKS TO MAKE THIS ONE VASTLY PROFITABLE? I DIDN'T MEASURE IT WITH THE BASEBALL FIELD.

UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL SPACE WE GET FROM THAT, BUT BEING THAT THE OPEN AREA IS HERE IS ABOUT TWICE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE UP, YOU KNOW, TWO TIMES THE SPACE BY TAKING OUT ONE SMALLER BASEBALL.

I JUST, WHEN I OVERLAID, I PULLED THIS UP AND OVERLAID IT OVER THE OTHER ONE, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE VASTLY DISSIMILAR AS FAR AS USABLE AREA.

UM, THIS, OF COURSE WASN'T IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THEN.

BUT, UM, SO SINCE IT WASN'T INCORPORATED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, I THINK WE'RE SORT OF MAKING THIS USE UP FOR THIS.

AS WE GO ALONG THE CITY HAS INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS COMMUNITY SUMMER.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE MOVED IN ONE DIRECTION WITH US.

WE'VE MOVED IN A DIRECTION OF THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR

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USE BY OUR RESIDENTS.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT ON A VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTION WITH A BICYCLE PARK BACK THERE.

UM, I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

NOT IT'S NOT TAKING ANY OF THE OTHER USES AWAY.

UM, AND LIKE YOU SAID, THIS ISN'T IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.

SO DAILY, MY IDEAS FOR THIS FACILITY CHANGE DEPENDING WHO I'M TALKING TO, BECAUSE I'M CONSTANTLY HEARING GREAT SUGGESTIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UM, BUT IF YOU DO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND MONITA, YOU'VE GOT THAT WHOLE TOP PORTION OF MEDIA MANITA THAT IS AS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT HILL.

UM, SO ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE WRITING SKILLS LOOP, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY ARE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOOKING IT UP THAT HILL.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, VERY PLEASANT FOR ANYONE TO USE, UH, WITH THAT HILL THERE, THE WAY IT IS NOW.

UM, BUT AGAIN WITH THIS, I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR ANY OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO DO IN THIS FACILITY AND STILL USING THE BACK SECTION THERE.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S THAT WHOLE PROPERTY ITSELF HAS EVER EVOLVING.

UM, BUT, UH, THIS DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE USE OF THAT FACILITY AND THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

HMM.

THAT'S ALL FOR NOW, MAN.

YES, MA'AM UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MONEY TO FEEL SLIDE? UM, SO DOES THAT REALLY THAT WITH ALL OF THIS IN HERE, DOES THAT LEAVE ANY ROOM FOR LIKE A PLAYGROUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE FUTURE? NOT REALLY, ESPECIALLY WITH I'M AT THE POINT TO IT.

ABOUT HERE TO HERE IS A PRETTY STEEP HILL.

SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T PUT THE LOOP CONNECTING TO THAT PORTION AND YOU JUST MOVE EVERYTHING TO THE TOP, YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO HAVE ROOM TO PUT A PLAYGROUND.

THE IDEAL PLACE TO PUT A PLAYGROUND WOULD BE EITHER A WHERE THE PUMP TRACK IS OR, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT THE BACK PARKING LOT AREA, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE DROP-OFF AND TURN AROUND WHEN YOU HAVE BASEBALL PARENTS.

AND THEN LIKE SCOTT MENTIONED THIS OTHER PIECE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE HERE.

IF WE ADD ALL OF THIS STUFF, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE A DETENTION AREA AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.

IT'S GOING TO BE THAT AREA.

THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DUG OUT AND MADE INTO A POND.

SO COLLECT ALL THE WATER ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S ALL I AM HERE.

WE COULDN'T TILE THE FRONT OF IT, MANITA LIKE FARMERS TILE, THEIR FIELDS, AND DRAIN THE WATER AWAY.

WE COULDN'T TILE IT AND DRAIN IT INTO THE CITY RIGHT THERE AT FITCHBURG.

WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT, UM, JUST FOR WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN NOW, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THERE NATURALLY FLOWS TO THE CHURCH AND THERE IS PART OF AN EXISTING TILE FROM THIS FIRST ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING LOT, OUT TO THE ROAD.

AND WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THE REST OF THAT, BUT THAT'S COLLECTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IMPERMEABLE ON THAT LOWER AREA.

WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE HILLS, COMING DOWN THE HILL AND JUST KIND OF FLOW IN WHEREVER IT WANTS ONCE HE GETS TO THE BASE OF THAT, THAT'S IT.

SO YES, WE CAN PIPE IT DOWN TO FITCHBURG ROAD, BUT IF WE DON'T PUT IT IN A DETENTION AREA, WE WILL FLOOD FISH PARK ROAD.

UM, BECAUSE THAT, THAT AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD BE COMING IS NOT GOING THERE NOW.

SO THAT THAT'S IN ANY OF OUR DESIGNS THAT, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT FLOODING OUR NEIGHBORS OR OUR ROBOTS.

WE TILE IT INTO THE STREET TO THE NORTH OF IT.

I THINK IT'S STILL BURIED.

WE WOULD STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF DETENTION TO SLOW IT DOWN.

LESS THAN ONE MILE APART.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.

MS. RIB.

UH, JUST ONE MORE.

SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE AREA BETWEEN, UM, THE PARKING LOT, GOING OUT THE FISHBURG, THE OPENER THERE.

AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE AREA, WHICH IS, UH, ADJACENT TO THE BALL DIAMOND BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE CHURCH PROPERTY TO THE BALL DIAMOND.

THERE WERE TWO OPEN AREAS THERE.

AND AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THE BASEBALL DIAMOND THAT KEEPS BEING REFERRED TO AS THE, THE NON-USE DIAMOND IS NOT USED BECAUSE IT, UH, CAN'T CONFORM TO ANY STANDARD THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE REGULATION PLAY THERE.

IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES.

AND NOW THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT.

SO ANY, UM, ADDRESSING MONITA PARK WITH PUTTING THESE USES THAT MANITA PARK SHOULD INCLUDE THAT OTHER BASEBALL DIAMOND.

AND THEN THE OTHER AREAS, AS FAR AS RETENTION, AS SCOTT MENTIONED, RETENTION BASED AND TAKING UP SOME AREA, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING OUT ON THIS PRESENTATION.

I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER.

THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS THE TWO PARKS ARE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER PARK ON POWELL ROAD AND MANITA PARK ARE

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SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PARKS THAT ARE LESS THAN ONE MILE APART, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIMILAR USES BETWEEN THE TWO PARKS, I'M NOT SURE I SEE THE LOGIC AND BREAKING IT UP INTO TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS, HAVING PART OF THE BIKING AMENITIES, UH, POWELL ROAD AND PART OF THE BIKING AMENITIES AT MONEDA JUST MY OPINION.

BUT I THINK WE'RE BETTER SERVED BY HAVING OUR BICYCLING AMENITIES AT ONE PARK WHERE IT BECOMES A DESTINATION FOR KIDS WHO WANT TO GO ON BICYCLE.

AGAIN, MY OPINION, THAT'S A MARATHON.

THANKS DON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.

UH, MAYOR, ARE WE GOING TO DO A SURVEY? AND IF SO, WHAT LENGTH OF TIME ARE WE GOING TO ALLOT FOR THAT? WELL, THAT WOULDN'T BE, THAT'S NOT MY DECISION.

I'M GOING TO GET THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS, IS NEW.

THE, THE, THE UPGRADES OF THE FACILITY WAS JUST DONE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATION REGARDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND WHAT, WHAT COULD BE DONE THERE.

I KNOW THIS, UM, AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER WAS PART OF WHAT RICHARD'S PRESENTATION WAS OR PREPARED PRESENTATION THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR AT THE COUNCIL MEETING WAS AIMED AT PALO ROAD.

AND THEN, UM, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT APPEARS THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, BECAUSE WHAT DIDN'T GO OR WHAT WAS NOT GOING WELL AT, UM, AT DIAL, THANK YOU.

AND THEN SCOTT, ON THE, UH, DETENTION, UH, WILL YOU HAVE THAT ENGINEERED ANYTIME SOON THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT SIZE OF FOOTPRINT WOULD BE REQUIRED OR HAVE YOU DONE SOME OF THAT WORK ALREADY? UM, UH, WE CAN HAVE, UM, IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY A, A GOOD IDEA, UM, WITHIN A WEEK.

SO THE CALCULATION, IF EVERYTHING'S PUT AT MANITA, YOU COULD COME UP WITH A MEASUREMENT AND LAYOUT OF WHAT THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF A DETENTION AREA WOULD HAVE TO BE.

AND THEN, UH, AS THE PARK MANAGER, YOU'VE ASSESSED THE AREAS THAT MR. WEBB HAS TALKED ABOUT ON MANITA, AS FAR AS, UH, WE'RE MOVING THE FIELD AND THE BASEBALL FIELD AND THE OTHER AREA, I DO KNOW THAT BEHIND THE CHURCH'S PROPERTY, THEY ALREADY HAVE A SMALL DETENTION AREA THAT THEY HAD PUT INTO CAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WATER PROBLEMS. UM, SO I, THERE IS A LITTLE AREA BACK THERE.

UH, I HAVEN'T MEASURED IT OUT TO SEE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW CROSSING OVER AND GOING OVER BEHIND THE BASEBALL FIELD.

I MEAN, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM IDEAL.

UM, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO RIDE MY BIKE AND GET HIT WITH A STRAIGHT HOME RUN OR ANYTHING, BUT, UH, I MEAN, I, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AND SEE, BUT AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR ISSUE IS GOING TO BE THAT UPHILL AREA.

UH, BECAUSE ANYTHING YOU PUT THERE, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT GOING UPHILL AND IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE COMING DOWNHILL, ESPECIALLY FOR A YOUNGER KID LEARNING HOW TO RIDE IF THEY'RE VENTURING ONTO THAT SKILLS LOOP.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO STUDY OR YOU HAVE STUDIED AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WILL NEED TO STUDY? YES.

AND THEN YOU'LL GET BACK WITH US.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS JOSH? CAN WE, UM, LOOK AT DOING PERHAPS SOME NATURAL STEPS GOING UP THE SIDE OF THE HILL? UH, WE CAN, IT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THE SKILLS LOOP.

NO, NO, NO.

I MEAN, FOR HELPING PEOPLE GET UP THE HILL.

I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

I KNOW IT'S A PRETTY HEFTY HILL.

I WAS OUT THERE WITH THE, UM, THE CONTRACTOR, THAT'S DOING THE CONCRETE PAD.

WE STOOD THERE LAST WEEK, ONE DAY.

AND HE ASKED ME THAT HE SAID, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO TO GET TO THAT TOP SECTION? AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK? HE'S LIKE, WELL, HE SAID, I DON'T SEE AN ANGLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME AT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF LIKE THE AREA BACK ON SANDAL VIEW.

LIKE HE WAS LIKE, HE WAS SAYING, THE STAIRS ARE GOING TO GO LIKE THAT, NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU COME IN AT.

UM, SO HE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY WHICH WAY, BUT SIDEWAYS AND, AND WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IF HE COULD GUIDE ME IN THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE DID CONCRETE STEPS OR SOME SORT OF NATURAL STEPS, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF RECONFIGURING OF LAND.

MAYOR, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MR.

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WEBB.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE OTHER AREAS THAT MAYBE JOSH HAD NOT INCLUDED, AND THEN HE SPOKE TO AT LEAST PART OF THAT THAT'S WET.

DOES THAT TAKE THAT OFF OF THE CHECKLIST? WELL, JOSH, AS, UH, AS SCOTT MENTIONED, THERE WAS GOING TO BE A NEED FOR A RETENTION.

SCOTT, I BELIEVE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE'VE JUST PUT A CONCRETE PAD IN THERE.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE SOME OF YOUR, UM, PERVIOUS AREA OR IMPERVIOUS AREA, RIGHT? SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME NEED FOR RETENTION.

AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THOSE, THOSE AREAS ARE OPEN FOR SOMETHING.

THE AREA THAT, THAT LEADS FROM THE PARKING OUT TO FITCHBURG IS A, ALTHOUGH IT IS AT A SLIGHT ELEVATION, IT'S A NICE LEVEL AREA GOING OUT TO FITCHBURG, WHICH I COULD BELIEVE COULD BE USED FOR AT LEAST PART OF THIS.

SO I THINK JOSH UNDERSTANDS WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

THERE.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT AREN'T DEPICTED ON THIS RENDERING, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO THAT SECOND BASEBALL DIAMOND THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE.

I THINK IF THOSE WERE INCLUDED, AND THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL PREFERENCE OR MAYBE A VISION I HAVE OF WHAT OUR PARKS SHOULD BE.

BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BICYCLING AMENITIES, IF I'M GOING TO TAKE THE KIDS AND PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT AND HAVE THEM OFFLOAD THEIR BIKES AND, UM, I'VE GOT DIFFERENT AGED KIDS WITH DIFFERENT SKILL LEVELS, HOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BE A DESTINATION WHERE BICYCLING HAPPENS, WHERE KIDS CAN ENJOY THEMSELVES FOR THE DAY.

I'LL STEP BACK TO THE FACT THAT THESE PARKS THAT WERE TWO PARTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE LESS THAN A MILE APART.

SO ANY OF THE BENEFITS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT SCHOLARSHIPS AND WHATEVER ELSE WAS BROUGHT UP, CERTAINLY AREN'T, UM, UM, LESSEN BY THE, THE AMENITIES BEING HERE, ONE PARK OVER THE OTHER.

UH, AGAIN, MY CONCERN WITH THE POWELL ROAD PARK IS THAT THE CITY HAS CLEARLY MOVED IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.

THAT IS, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN A COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY GARDENS.

THERE ARE AMENITIES DOWN THERE THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED.

MOST CERTAINLY THE PLAYGROUNDS AS MR. SHAW MENTIONED, THE PLAYGROUNDS WERE, UM, UH, UNSAFE AND, AND REQUIRED FOR REMOVAL.

UH, I LIKED THE IDEA OF PLAYGROUNDS WITH LINE OF SIGHT AND THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH POWELL ROAD, BUT BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MANITA, I THINK THERE A SPACE THERE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO MAKE THIS A REALITY MANITA, KEEPING EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN ONE PARK.

THAT JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME.

WELL, THAT, WASN'T MY QUESTION.

MY QUESTION WAS BASED ON THE THINGS THAT JOSH SAID, DID THAT ELIMINATE ANY OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP THAT YOU FELT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE? MENDIETA IS ELIMINATE, UH, LIKE TAKE THEM OFF THE TABLE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK, I THINK JOSH, UM, UH, UNDERSTANDS WHAT I'M SAYING THERE AS FAR AS GOING OUT.

HE DOES.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WHAT HE SAID WOULD HAVE REMOVED ANY OF THOSE OFF THE TABLE.

NO, I, I THINK EVERYTHING IS STILL IN PLAY MORE.

SO SCOTT, THIS RETENTION AREA, IS IT GOING TO BE DOWNSTREAM OR UPSTREAM ON THE PROJECT DOWNSTREAM AND HOW DOES THE WATER FLOW ON THAT TRACK OF LAND THAT IT FLOWS, UM, FROM, UH, FROM EAST TO WEST AND TO THE SOUTH.

SO THE LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT WOULD BE IN THAT FRONT AREA TOWARDS FITCHBURG.

AND THEN THE WET AREA THAT DAWN HAD MENTIONED, I THINK BEHIND THE CHURCH IS THEIR RETENTION AREA, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE OPPOSITE END.

HOW OLD WAS OUR PARK SURVEY? WHAT YEAR WAS THAT DONE? UH, IT WAS STARTED IN AND FINISHED IN 2018.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

OF THE PICTURES THEY HAD TO WORK WITH.

UM, JOSH, I KNOW THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PARKS AND REC MEETING, UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU ALLUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT HERE.

UM, IF GOING WITH THE PROPOSAL DOWN AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, THAT OFFERS A, AN ADDITIONAL SIZE, UH, PUMP TRACK, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE YOUR WORDS WAS A REGULATION SIZE.

UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, I GUESS, EDUCATE US A LITTLE BIT ON THE DIFFERENCE OF THE REGULATION SIZE, THE BENEFITS TO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY AND THEN CRAMMING IT INTO MANITA ON A SMALLER ONE AND WHAT WE WOULD BE LOSING OUT ON.

SO I KNOW THE SCALE SEEMS WEIRD JUST BECAUSE

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SO THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING'S A LOT SMALLER AND MONITA SEEMS A LOT BIGGER DUE TO THE SCALE, UM, WITH, WITH PUTTING IT HERE AND HAVING MORE SPACE FOR THINGS WE COULD PUT IN A COMPETITION SIZE PUMP TRACK, IF WE WANTED TO, THAT WOULD OPEN UP TO WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME AND HOLD RACES.

THERE COULD BE A STOPPING POINT ALONG A, A CHAMPIONSHIP PATH AS FAR AS STATE TOURNAMENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A FEW OF THESE TRACKS IN THE STATE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, BY HAVING THAT REGULATION AVAILABILITY HERE, IT, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY, LIKE I SAID, FOR THE GRANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, TO GET BICYCLES AND HAVE SOMEWHERE TO STORE BICYCLES.

IF THERE WAS A TEAM THAT WERE TO FORM, WE CAN'T PUT A REGULATION SIZE AT MONITA, THE WAY THAT IT STANDS, WE COULDN'T PUT IT AT DIAL EITHER.

UM, SO IT'S A SMALLER PUMP TRACK.

THAT'S JUST THERE FOR FUN, BUT THIS ONE GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO UTILIZE IT FOR THAT TEAM ASPECT OR FOR RACE ASPECT, IT'S A PLACE THAT IT CAN BE DONE AT.

AND, AND I GUESS WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE AND, AND CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, UH, MR. ZULA, THE FOLKS FROM THE MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION, UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC DRAW TO OUR COMMUNITY? YES.

WOULD, IN YOUR OPINION, AS THE PARKS MANAGER, PUTTING THAT REGULATION SIZE IN THERE AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, DOES, IF SOMEBODY WAS TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO PLAY BASKETBALL OR TO WORK ON THE COMMUNITY GARDENS, WOULD THEY BE INTERRUPTED BY ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN THE BACK AREA? NO.

SO, SO IF SOMEBODY WAS THERE PLAYING BASKETBALL, SOMEBODY WAS PLANTING, UH, AT THE COMMUNITY, GARDENS A PICNIC AT THE SHELTER, UM, OR INSIDE PLAYING PING PONG OR DOING POTTERY OR WHATEVER THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR OWN THING.

AND WHILE SOMEBODY IS OUTBACK DOING THAT, CORRECT? YES.

UM, AND IN YOUR SURVEY OF A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT PARKS AND, AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE A LOT OF ATTENTION THAT YOU PUT ONTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY DRAINAGE OR DETENTION RETENTION NEEDED TO HEAR, UH, THE ONLY AREAS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING? AND WE ALWAYS HAD A LITTLE BIT OF WATER THERE, BUT SINCE WE TORE THE PLAYGROUND OUT, THERE WAS DRAINAGE UNDERNEATH THE PLAYGROUND.

THERE WAS PIPES THAT WENT.

AND SO SOME OF THAT GOT DISTURBED.

SO DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDING, WE HAVE A WET AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE REGRADED.

UM, AND, UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO, THERE'S NO, UM, RETENTION PROBLEM.

THAT PROPERTY IS PRETTY MUCH FLAT.

SO NOTHING THAT WOULD INTERFERE OR WHAT'S PUTTING THAT THIS PROPOSAL IN NO.

THERE IS AN EXISTING DETENTION AREA AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THIS SITE ALREADY WAS AWARE OF THAT TREAT AREA.

AND BE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM HERE, KIND OF BEHIND 54, 15 AND 43, 25, THAT AREA DOWN THERE.

AND, AND YOU STATED, AND THIS IS MY FINAL QUESTION YOU STATED IN THAT OPEN GREEN SPACE, ESPECIALLY NEXT TO, I BELIEVE THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND AND EVEN NORTH OF THE PUMP TRACK.

UM, AND YOUR OPINION ON THOSE AREAS ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT IF, UM, IF THE SCOUTS WANTED TO COME CAMP THERE, IF WE WANTED TO DO A FUTURE, UM, GAZEBO THERE, UM, W ARE THOSE AREAS STILL BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE OPEN GREEN SPACE ACTIVITIES? YES.

THIS SITES, UH, FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, SCOTT, THERE WERE, UM, RESTRICTIONS ON THE CBD J UH, CDBG GRANT THAT WAS USED FOR THIS PARK AND WOULD OPENING IT UP TO COMPETITIVE SPORTS VIOLATE THE TERMS OF THAT GRANT.

I DON'T BELIEVE SO BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, IT'S WOULD NOT BE LIKE A FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR THE LOWER AND MODERATE INCOME, UM, UH, PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS DOES FIT WITHIN THE MAPS THAT, UH, CDBG HAS FOR THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, SO, UM, PLAYGROUND TYPE EQUIPMENT PARK TYPE EQUIPMENT, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, DEFINITELY FIT WITHIN, UH, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AT THE SITE.

AND I KNOW THAT, UM, AT ONE POINT, UH, THE CITY HAD, UH, ESTABLISHED A, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, UH, AQUAPONICS, UM, GROUP AND THEY WERE PROPOSING USING

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I DON'T.

AND THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER REASON THAT I'M, UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.

THEY'D LIKE TO USE HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THE AQUAPONICS PROGRAM, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN IT WAS BRIEFED TO US WAS, UH, PROPOSED TO, UM, PROVIDE FOOD TO THE POOR, UH, TO THE SCHOOLS, TO THE SENIORS.

UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, IN CONSIDERATION WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER OPTIONS, BECAUSE WE, HE DID COME TO THE CITY AND WE DID PASS LEGISLATION BASICALLY TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE A PARTNERSHIP WITH HIM IN SOME FORM.

IT WASN'T MY RECOLLECTION THAT THE FURTHER THAT WE GOT INTO THAT PROCESS, THE MORE THAT, THAT BUSINESS MODEL CHANGED AND BECAME FOR-PROFIT, UM, LATER CONVERSATIONS WENT WITH HIM AS SELLING PRODUCE TO RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION THAT, AND, UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING WITH THE HVAC SYSTEM THAT WE NEEDED A THREE OR $400,000 UPGRADE, UM, FOR THAT BUILDING, UH, THAT TO SUIT HIS PURPOSES.

BUT I THINK THAT HE HAS ALTERED THAT SINCE THEN, AND THAT THE, UH, WHAT YOU CALL FOR PROFIT WOULD BE ROLLED BACK INTO THE BUSINESS FOR EXPANSION OR, OR WHATEVER.

IT'S IT'S, UH, HE'S STILL A NON-PROFIT.

SO, UM, I, I, MAYBE WE NEED TO TOUCH BASE WITH THEM AGAIN AND FIND OUT WHERE HE IS, BUT THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH, WITH THE, UH, THE GRANT THAT WAS, UH, ESTABLISHED TO BUILD THAT FACILITY.

SO IF WE GO THAT ROUTE THOUGH, WE LOSE IT AS A COMMUNITY CENTER THOUGH.

UH, BECAUSE ONCE HE'S IN THERE, HE'S OCCUPYING THE WHOLE BUILDING.

WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT HE'S NECESSARILY OCCUPYING ALL OF IT ANYMORE.

SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I NEED TO THINK WE NEED TO UPDATE THE CONVERSATION AND FIND OUT WHERE HE STANDS.

IF YOU WANT TO S I DON'T HAVE HIS CONTACT INFO, I'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO HIM, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEND THAT TO ME, I CAN REACH OUT TO, YEAH.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, TONY, UH, NANCY REFERENCES, UH, PASSING SOME LEGISLATION REGARDING H TO GROW.

COULD YOU ASSEMBLE THAT INFORMATION AND PROVIDE THAT THE COUNCIL ALSO, UH, JEFF OR MAYOR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT HE WAS GOING TO GO INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE BUILDING JUST WOULDN'T WORK FOR HIM.

UH, YEAH, THE HVAC SYSTEM.

THE ENTIRE BUILDING DESIGN WAS WRONG, INCLUDING THE HVAC SYSTEM.

SORRY.

THE, THE, THE SECONDARY DISCUSSION BECAME MORE ABOUT GREENHOUSE BRAND.

AND THEN I THINK HE WAS GOING TO, UH, HANDLE THE FISH AND A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND HIM, AND THEN THE, UH, GREENHOUSES WOULD BE OUTSIDE.

I THINK IT HAS EVOLVED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH IS WHY I THINK, UH, WE NEED AN UPDATE FROM HIM ON WHERE HE IS AND, UH, IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR IF HE'S GONE AWAY.

THANK YOU, GLENN.

I HAD CAUGHT A BRIEF, UM, ONLINE CONVERSATION AWHILE BACK, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT, THAT HE HAD SHIFTED GEARS AND WAS NOW FOCUSED MORE ON ABOUT COMMUNITY GARDENING, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS AREA, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE VENTURED INTO.

BUT I'M NOT SURE THERE'S EVER BEEN ANY PLANS WRITTEN UP ON WHAT HE IS PROPOSING, BUT YEAH, I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO START SINCE NANCY'S BROUGHT UP US PASSING LEGISLATION IS TO REVIEW WHAT WE HAVE PASSED HERE.

I'LL GET THE MINUTES AND A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FROM HIM AT THE TIME.

PROBLEM, UH, YOU KNOW, WAITING UNTIL EACH ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE READY TO GO FORWARD.

I DON'T REALLY RECALL ANY LEGISLATION YET, SO I'M PROBABLY WRONG.

SO I'LL CHECK IT OUT.

YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

MY FINAL COMMENTS.

UH, JOSH SCOTT, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK AND, UH, AND YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS.

UH, JOSH HANSEN, MY OPINION AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD EVERY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES AT ONE POINT IN TIME, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, UH, COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL JOB THAT YOU'VE DONE IN OUR PARKS AND OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, THIS IS AN AREA THAT I BELIEVE YOU'VE STUDIED AND DONE A GREAT DEAL OF WORK ON, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I, UH, I PERSONALLY AM WILLING TO ACCEPT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, BUT IF COUNSEL AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES NEED MORE TIME TO COLLECT DATA, UM, OR REVIEW INFORMATION, UH, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FROM WHAT YOU'VE SAID HERE TODAY, BUT I'VE GOT NO

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THANK YOU, MARK.

JOSH.

IF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT'S YOU WHO NEED THE EXTRA TIME, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

SO I CAN LOOK INTO THE REQUEST OF MS. BERGE AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, REQUESTS THAT MONITA THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN WEBEX.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS WHAT MR. WEBB HAD BROUGHT UP THAT CAUSED YOU TO PAUSE AND SAY THAT YOU NEEDED SOME TIME.

W WHEN, WHEN WILL YOU COME BACK WITH, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? UM, I CAN SIT DOWN WITH SCOTT AND WE CAN KIND OF AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND SAY A WEEK OR SO.

UM, WE CAN WORK ON THAT WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE DETENTION LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING.

MR. WEBB, UH, JUST SO SCOTT OR SCOTT AND JOSH DON'T TELL HIM OR HER WHAT THE NEXT WORK SESSION BAY ACCEPTABLE TO COUNSEL HERE.

HERE ARE YOUR OBJECTIONS TO THAT, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, UH, MOVE FASTER, DID YOU SAY IT TOOK ONE WEEK OR TWO WEEKS? UM, I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT IN THE WEEK.

RICHARD, I, I MEAN TO COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL'S POINT, UH, UM, IT'S ROUGHLY FIVE, SIX DAYS, UH, TO THE, UH, WORK SESSION.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THEN THAT'D BE HELPFUL.

I KNOW WE'VE DONE, UH, SPECIAL MEETINGS IN THE PAST.

UM, AND, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I SPOKE ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, IF, UH, IF THEY NEEDED TO COME IN, UH, TO SATISFY, UH, SOME CURIOSITY OF, UH, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES.

UM, BUT, UH, I I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE, UM, JOSH TO MOVE THIS, UM, UH, PROPOSAL FORWARD AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS, THE PARKS PLAN.

SO I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS SORT OF, WELL, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT, UM, WE'RE PROGRESSING FORWARD IN THE DESIGN AND THE BUILDING OF THESE AMENITIES.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M, SO I'M SITTING HERE KIND OF LISTENING TO ALL THIS AND, AND, AND LOOKING OVER EVERYTHING.

AND YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTIVES WERE GIVEN TO THE DESIGN COMPANY ABOUT DESIGNING, BUT, UM, I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I, I DON'T THINK I AGREE WITH MR. WEBB.

I DON'T THINK MONITA HAS HAD A FAIR SHAKE HERE IN TERMS OF, UM, THE USABLE SPACE.

THE REASON THAT I, I THINK ABOUT MANITA.

SO WHEN I, WHEN I WENT TO, UM, SO BACK IN 2018, I WAS AT AN NLC CONFERENCE IN NOVEMBER, AND, UH, THEY HAD A BIG CONVENTION FLOOR WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT VENDORS AND THINGS WERE AT.

AND, UH, I MET A GENTLEMAN WHO OWNED THE COMPANY THAT DESIGNS SKATE PARKS BY PARKS, ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.

AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, I BROUGHT ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION, LITERATURE AND ALL THAT BACK FROM THAT TO, UH, 2018 LLC CONFERENCE, I GAVE IT ALL TO, UH, OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER.

AND WITH THAT, UH, MRS. VERGE HAD ACTUALLY SPOKEN TO THAT, UM, TO THAT BIKE RAMP OR THE BIKE COMPANY.

UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS AMERICAN RAMP, AMERICAN RAMP, UM, YOU KNOW, A FEW MONTHS, EVEN PRIOR TO THAT AND THINKING ABOUT, UM, BRINGING SOME TYPE OF ADMITTED TO HERE, HERE TO THE CITY AND SOME OF THE VIDEOS THAT THEY HAD POSTED ACTUALLY SHOWED LIKE ON THEIR VIDEOS, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE, UM, THERE'S A, AND I HAD FOR THIS PARK, ALL KIND OF CAME FROM, WAS THERE ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THESE BIKE AMENITIES AND ALL OF THEM ARE COMPACTED TOGETHER.

THEY'RE ALL IN A, IN A, IN A LOCATION WHERE, UM, LIKE, AS MR. WEBB SAID, IF I'M A FAMILY AND I GOT A SEVEN-YEAR-OLD WHO HAS A DIFFERENT SKILL LEVEL THAN MY 14 YEAR OLD PARENTS COME THE PARK, AND THEN ALL THE KIDS AT DIFFERENT AGE LEVELS CAN ALL GO DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, YEAH, OKAY.

THREE YEARS AGO, THAT'S KIND OF, AND WHAT WE WERE IN, WE HAD DISCUSSED AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S KIND OF THE VISION I'VE ALWAYS HAD IN MY HEAD NOW, YOU KNOW, TH JUST CAUSE IT'S SOMETIMES MIGHT HAVE DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S ALL WE DO.

I MEAN, WE, WE DISCUSS AND WE TALK ABOUT IT.

I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE, AND I'M GLAD THAT RICHARD BROUGHT UP AND JOSH AGREED THAT THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER AND MANITA PARK IS WHAT ABOUT A QUARTER MILE, SOUTH OR WEST OF WHERE THIS COUNCIL HAS APPROVED TO SPEND ABOUT $12 MILLION REVITALIZING OUR BRAND PIKE CORRIDOR.

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I THINK WE HAD AGREED.

IT WAS PROBABLY NOT ROOM OR AN AREA WHERE WE CAN BUILD A SPORT IT'S COMPLEX.

UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE INTO THE CENTER OF TOWN THAT HELPS REVITALIZE BRAND PIKE? AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

WE'VE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AT TO, TO, TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A DESTINATION AREA, OUR PROBLEM WITH ART, WITH HAVING A DOWNTOWN OR HAVING OUR AREA REVITALIZE ON BRAND PIKE IS HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE OFF OF THE HIGHWAY? HOW DO WE GET THEM UP BRANDT PIKE? I MEAN, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, I READ FACEBOOK, WE NEEDED THIS, WE NEEDED THAT.

WE NEED A RESTAURANT.

WE NEED, I MEAN, UH, OTHER AMENITIES ALONG BRAND PIKE TO REVITALIZE THAT AREA WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO.

BUT THOSE THINGS DON'T JUST HAPPEN BY CHANCE THEY HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU DO SOMETHING THAT GENERATES BODIES, GENERATES PEOPLE, GENERATES ECONOMIC DOLLARS.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE THINGS IN THAT AREA THAT DRAW PEOPLE OFF OF THE INTERSTATE AND INTO OUR, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A REVITALIZED AREA OF BRAND, LIKE THEN WHAT DO WE HAVE? WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN AND OTHER AREAS INTO OUR REVITALIZATION EFFORTS AND THE MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.

THIS, I DO BELIEVE WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC DRAW.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, SO I BELIEVE, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE FINAL PARKS AND REC REPORT, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT OUR PARKS AND REC, UM, AND OUR PARKS AND OUR FIELDS AND ALL OF OUR UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE THAT PEOPLE CAN USE.

THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION AROUND CONGREGATING, LIKE AMENITIES INTO LIKE PARKS.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN ONE OF THE LAST WORKS, ACTUALLY WE TALKED ABOUT A SPORTS COMMISSION BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT AMENITIES SCATTERED ALL OVER OUR PARK SYSTEM.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD CONTROL.

WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PARKS.

YOU KNOW, I DRIVE DOWN INTO CLOUD AND WHAT WAS THE PREMIER BASEBALL FIELD FIELD? NUMBER ONE, I CAN'T SEE A PITCHER'S MOUND.

I CAN'T SEE THE, THE, THE DIRT WHERE YOU LEAVE HOME PLATE AND GET THE FIRST IT'S ALL OVERGROWN, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT LITERALLY ISN'T COMING BACK, BUT THERE WASN'T A SEASON LAST YEAR DUE TO LACK OF VOLUNTEERS, LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF OUR YOUTH SPORTS IN TERMS OF LITTLE LEAGUE AND BASEBALL WILL WE'LL COME BACK TO THEM.

IT IS.

UM, THE REASON THAT FIELD TO MY UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE THAT ISN'T USED AT MANITA IS BECAUSE IT'S NON REGULATION.

YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ANY BIGGER BECAUSE THE, THE, THE FIELD THERE, IT GOES INTO TO KIND OF WHERE THE HOME RUN FENCE KIND OF BACKS UP INTO THOSE WOODS THERE.

AND YOU'RE GETTING REAL CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES THAT RUN ALONG THAT BACKSIDE.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN ACTUAL DESIGN THAT INCORPORATES THAT, THAT PARTICULAR.

UM, I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DO AN AWFUL LOT OF TALKING ABOUT OUR PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, BUT I, I DON'T, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF STUFF FOLLOWING THE THINGS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE USE OF HAVING IT DONE.

IF WE KEEP DOING MORE SURVEYS, WE DO THIS, LET ME DO THAT.

UM, SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY BY, BY SPLITTING THESE AMENITIES UP WHERE WE COULD HAVE A REALLY GREAT DESTINATION PARK, ALL LIKE AMENITIES IN THE SAME FACILITY, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE DRAW TO PEOPLE.

CAUSE, CAUSE I, FOR 1:00 AM ABOUT THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF THIS, UM, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PARKS AND WE HAVE PLACE TO BOOK AND GO, WE HAVE PLAYGROUNDS AND WE GOT SOME BALL FIELDS AND SOCCER FIELDS AND SOFTBALL FIELDS.

BUT I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK ABOUT HUBER HEIGHTS BECOMING A NICHE AREA FOR THE BIKING AND SKATING COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WE'RE MISSING.

AND WHEN WE DIVIDE THESE UP AND SPLIT THEM ACROSS YOU ACROSS TOWN, UM, THE, THE MANILA LOCATION DOESN'T MAKE IT INACCESSIBLE TO OTHER PEOPLE.

THE MINI LOCATION IS CLOSE TO ISENBERG AND IT'S CLOSE TO WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL.

IT'S CLOSE TO WRIGHT BROTHERS ON HARSHMAN VILLE.

SO YOU'VE GOT KIDS, THEY GET OUT OF SCHOOL, THEY'RE ON THEIR BIKES, RIDE THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY GOT, THEY GOT, THEY GOT A PLACE TO GO TO VERY, VERY CLOSE.

UM, AND AS MR. ED POINTED OUT, IT'S ONLY ABOUT A MILE APART BETWEEN, BETWEEN

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THE TWO PLACES.

SO THE CONVENIENCE, THE ECONOMIC DRAW OF HAVING ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER IN ONE LOCATION THAT WILL HELP BRING PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE.

I AM JUST GOING TO BE HONEST, IF WE'RE GOING TO WORK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING ABOUT 1,000,002.

I THINK THE APPROPRIATED MONEY WAS UP TO 1,000,004 WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CONTINGENCY.

IF WE'RE SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT FROM, FROM THE ACTUAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SPENDING.

AND I THINK IN A LOCATION THAT IS SO CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE, WHERE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT MONEY TO TRY TO REVITALIZE AN AREA THAT EVERYONE HAS AGREED HAS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR SO MANY YEARS.

AND THE STRUGGLE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T BORN OF THIS TOWN, YOU KNOW, 200 YEARS AGO WHERE YOU HAD THIS QUAINT DOWNTOWN AND YOU HAD BUILDINGS ON BOTH SIDES, MULTIPLE STORIES WHERE YOU GOT THAT KIND OF VIEW THAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BORN OUT OF, YOU KNOW, URBAN STUFF.

PEOPLE LET THE CITY OF DAYTON, THEY WERE MOVING NORTH AND CHARLIE CUBER DECIDED, HEY, THIS IS A GREAT AREA TO BUILD SOME HOUSES.

I OWN A WATER COMPANY.

HEY, LET'S MERGE THE TWO TOGETHER AND CREATE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE IN DAYTON GO.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WERE BORN.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY AND TRY TO REINVEST AND REDEVELOP AREAS THAT ARE, UH, HAVE BEEN EYESORES TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL CAN DISAGREE, THAT WE WANT, OKAY.

REVITALIZED BRAND PIKE.

IN FACT, THAT'S THE TOPIC.

UM, AFTER THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD UPDATE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TIME.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN BUILDING UP BRANDT PIKE AND I, AND I'M HAVING A, YOU KNOW, AN, UM, I'M TRYING TO BE AS OPEN-MINDED AS POSSIBLE ABOUT HALL.

ALL THESE THINGS CAN GO TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S JUST A HUGE BENEFIT.

I THINK THAT WE'RE MISSING BY HAVING ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER.

ONE CENTRALIZED IS LOCATION, A HUGE DRAW ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

IT'S BY THE REVITALIZATION, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO, TO REJUVENATE THAT CAN DRAW PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WEST AND INGLEWOOD.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SKATE PARK, WE HAD A YOUNG WOMAN THAT WAS HERE FROM COLUMBUS.

SHE WAS ON A ROLLER DERBY LEAGUE.

SHE, I MEAN, THEY TOLD US THAT THIS IS THE, THE SKATING AREA IS ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES TO COME AND SKATE LIKE THAT AND THAT DESIGN AND OUR ENTIRE REGION.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I'M, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M TIRED OF THINKING SMALL.

I THINK THINKING SMALL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE, YOU THINK SMALL, YOU GET SMALL THINK BIG, YOU GET BIG.

AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COUNCIL GO IN THAT DIRECTION THAT WE START, WE START THINKING BIG.

WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO, NOT WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND HE'S LIMITATIONS.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHO, HOW THE DESIGN CAME TO BE AT DIAL OR AT M M ANITA AND NOT USING ALL THE AVAILABLE SPACE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SMART PEOPLE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR THINK ABOUT GOING THERE BECAUSE OF A HILL THAT WE COULDN'T FIX, THAT WE COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO MAKE MONEY TO PARK WORK.

IF, IF COUNCIL SHARED THE LARGER VISION OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE, UH, A VERY NICHE PARK, A VERY NICHE AMENITIES THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE.

WE GOT PEOPLE GOING TO THE LEAVE, HUBER TO GO TO OTHER PLACES TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF.

WE WANT TO DRAW THEM HERE.

WHY WOULDN'T WE HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER IN A PLACE THAT CAN HELP REJUVENATE AN AREA OF TOWN THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO TRY TO MAKE BETTER.

AND I THINK THAT JUST HELPS.

AND THAT'S, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY HERE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

UH, I THINK THAT'S A HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY BY, BY, BY SPLITTING THESE UP AND PEOPLE THAT COME INTO TOWN AND THEY TAKE ONE KID HERE AND THEN THEY GOT TO LEAVE AND THEN GO TAKE ANOTHER KID OVER TO ANOTHER PLACE, UH, WHO MAYBE AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH HEBREW HEIGHTS.

UM, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING SENSE OF MANITA, NOT WORKING AND COVERING ALL THE BASIS OF EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED.

AND I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED AT THE DESIGN FROM ANITA.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE THE DESIGN FROM ANITA WAS DONE, UM, WITH THE INTENT OF MAKING, UH, POWELL ROAD LOOKED LIKE THE BETTER OPTION.

AND BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE TIME WENT INTO THE DESIGN, TAKING INTO ALL THOSE THINGS, INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHAT, OF WHAT MANITA COULD BE.

AND THAT ISN'T MEANT AS ANY SIGN OF DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY.

BUT I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN IDEAS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.

AND I THINK THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT IN BOTH PLACES REPRESENT WHAT SOME, UM, WHAT'S, UH, I WOULD SAY WHAT SOME PERSONAL PEOPLE THOUGHT.

UM, SO ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER DESIGN OF WHAT COULD BE AT MANITA PARK AND BE ABLE TO PUT ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER.

UM, AND AGAIN, ECONOMIC DROLL WAS NOT MY WORD.

THAT WAS RICHARD'S

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WORD.

AND MR. KING, YOU AGREED COMPLETELY THAT IF THIS IS DONE, RIGHT, THIS CAN BE A LARGE ECONOMIC DRAW.

LET'S PUT IT WHERE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT OUR MONEY.

UM, SO IF I'M CORRECT MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE, YOU WANT ME TO HAVE THEM REDESIGN? LET ME GO BACK TO THE REDESIGN THAT, UH, TAKING THE ONE BASEBALL FIELD, THAT SMALLER FIELD, SEE IF WE CAN WORK INTO THAT AREA, BECAUSE I THINK THAT OPENS UP A WHOLE OTHER WHOLE OTHER OPPORTUNITY.

BECAUSE MY DIRECTIVE WAS TO THEM WAS TO USE THE SPACE THAT WAS THERE WITHOUT TAKING A MINUTE OUT BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, LIKE AGAIN, THAT LEAGUE REQUESTED IF WE GET THOSE FIELDS DONE FOR THEM.

SO, BUT MY CONVERSATION WITH SCOTT WHEN IT CAME TO LOOKING AT THAT SPACE WAS, UM, NO, NOT ALL THE BASEBALL BASEBALL FIELDS MIGHT BE NEEDED.

I MEAN, MR. CAMPBELL, YOU'RE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

WE, WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THOSE FIELDS AREN'T NEEDED.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS DESIGN, THIS DESIGN DOESN'T MATCH.

SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD IS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S, I'M CONFUSED BY THAT.

CAUSE I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE WHERE WE CAN REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ECONOMICS THAT THIS COULD DRAW TO HELP THE OTHER PART OF THE CITY THAT WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, IF THE DESIGN COMPANY, IF THE, IF THE RAMP COMPANY IS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER IS A GOOD QUALITY COMPANY, THEY CAN GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW THIS, HOW THIS WOULD WORK.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE BMX TRACK IS WHAT GETS MOVED AND IS DOWN AT WHERE THE OLD BASEBALL DIAMOND IS.

AND THEN MAYBE THE SKILLS LOOP DOESN'T START AT THE PUMP TRACK, BUT MAYBE IT STARTS UP TOP.

AND THEN WE CREATE A WAY TO MOVE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, TO GET PEOPLE FROM THE, THE BOTTOM PORTION UP TO THE TOP.

AND THEN WE THINK ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CONCESSIONS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RESTROOMS. SO IF THE OTHER AREAS OF COMMUNITY CENTER, IF THEY'RE IN THERE FOR, UH, LET'S SAY IT AS A WEDDING OR AN ART SHOW AND KIDS GOT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.

I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DRINKS IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

WHAT OTHER EVENTS ARE GOING ON WHEN THEY GOT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE TO GO.

ARE WE GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER CONCESSION, STAND DOWN THERE? I MEAN, PEOPLE GET THIRSTY, YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE GOING TO WANT WATER.

THEY DON'T WANT GATORADE.

UM, SO IF IT'S AT MANITA THAT CENTRALIZED LOCATION THAT CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING, WE HAVE ONE EXPENSE OF CONCESSION.

WE HAVE ONE EXPENSE OF RESTROOMS. WE HAVE IT ALL.

I HAVE, I HAVE WENT OVER THIS IN MY MIND.

I MEAN A HUNDRED TIMES.

AND I'VE REALLY, REALLY TRIED TO BE OPEN TO WHAT'S HAPPENING A PAL, BUT I JUST CAN'T GET MY MIND TO MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME, NOT CONSIDERING WHAT THE MANITA PARK LOCATION OFFERS, IT'S, IT'S IN WARD FOUR, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I GET WORD ONE IS HOW WE KIND OF STARTED WITH ALL THIS, BUT IT IS CENTRALLY LOCATED.

THERE ARE KIDS THERE.

I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, IF YOU STUDIED THAT PARTICULAR PARK IN THAT LOCATION, IT'S PROBABLY ACCESSIBLE TO MORE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY ON BIKES OR SIDEWALKS AND STREETS THAN PROBABLY ONE OF THE, ANY OF THE PARK WE HAVE MAYBE OTHER THAN, THAN COMMUNITY PARK.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M OPEN TO SEEING EVERYTHING AND HEARING ALL THE ARGUMENTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO INVEST AS MUCH TIME IN THE DESIGN OF MANITA CONSIDERING WHAT'S ON THE LINE WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION AS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WAS SPENT.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR PAL MARK, UH, TONY ROGERS IN REGARDS TO THE WORK SESSION THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT THIS INITIAL PANT PLAN UP.

I THINK WE HAD, UH, HEARD FROM MR. OTTO.

AND HE HAD MENTIONED THAT HE HAD WORKED ON HIS DIAL DRIVE PROGRAM WITH THE BIKE TRACKS AND SO ON ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2019.

SO THE MAYOR ALONG WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL AGREED THAT WE WOULD BE BOTH PROJECTS FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.

AND THEN I BELIEVE WE PASSED LEGISLATION AT THAT COUNCIL MEETING.

CORRECT.

WHAT DID WE PASS? UM, A SIMILAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION FOR BOTH, CORRECT.

IT WAS TO YOU TO GO OUT TO BID FOR CONTRACTS FOR THE WORK THAT ARE DONE.

OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR DOLL PARK.

SO OUR VISION THAT NIGHT WAS TO DO DIAL AND TO DO FISHBURNE.

JOSH, COULD YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THE MAYOR HOPES GOES IN AT FITCHBURG? IS THAT IT? I THINK, I MEAN THAT PLUS I THINK SOME OTHER VARIATION IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MAKE THE HILL WORK AND REMOVING THE ONE BASEBALL.

NOW HERE'S MY QUESTION, DAWN.

WHY DID WE PASS TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION AND NOT HAVE THE VISION ORIGINALLY AT FITCHBURG DAWN? IF IT'S OKAY.

YEAH, I CAN.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

UM, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DOLL PARK DISCUSSION AND WHEN THE DOLL PARK DISCUSSION WAS BROUGHT UP, DOLL PARK WAS PRESENTED TO US AS AN COUNCILMAN CHARLES WORDS.

HE HAD, UH,

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THAT'S WHERE WE WERE TOLD.

AND, UH, WHETHER HE WAS MISTAKEN OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WE FOUND OUT NO, IT WAS, OR IT WASN'T.

I HAVE YET TO SPEAK TO A RESIDENT ANYWHERE AROUND ALL PARK, WHO HAS A GREAT IDEA, PUT IT IN HERE.

SO, BECAUSE WE BACKED AWAY FROM THAT, WE'RE NOW LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO STICK THOSE AMENITIES.

AND AGAIN, I JUST GO BACK TO THE THING OF THESE PARKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE LESS THAN A MILE APART.

I THINK IT'S TIME TO REVISION AND REVISIONING MANS.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH MANITA TO INCORPORATE A STATE-OF-THE-ART.

I LIKED THE MAYOR'S COMMENT DREAM.

LET'S LET'S TALK BIG.

LET'S DO IT BIG.

LET'S DO IT RIGHT.

THREE YEARS AGO.

JEFF, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS WHEN WE WERE AT THE WORK SESSION AND PROPOSED FITCHBURG, DID IT HAVE EVERYTHING? NO.

IN THE BEGINNING WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE BMX TRACK AND, AND THE SKATE PARK AND YEAH, I DIDN'T REALLY THINK BIG.

SO WE HAD, WELL, I DIDN'T, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST.

I, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, UM, UH, THERE, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT GLEN AND RICHARD WERE UPSET.

THEY ALWAYS CAME UP.

NO, DOES THAT HAPPEN? THAT, THAT NIGHT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORKS AT THE WORKSTATION, BUT DIDN'T WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED FITCHBURG ROAD PROJECT AT THAT POINT.

SO WE HAD OUR VISION, WHICH WASN'T WHAT THAT IS.

AND WE HAD PRESENTED THAT AT THE WORK SESSION, THEN GLEN MADE HIS COMMENT AND THEN WE SHIFTED AND WAS OKAY TO PASS BOTH PIECES OF LEGISLATION.

SO MICHAEL, ONLY UNTIL WE FOUND OUT WHATEVER WE DID ABOUT DIAL THAT.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE AND HAVE THIS ONE-STOP DESTINY.

BECAUSE I THINK, UH, I THINK AS ANYTHING AS THINGS CHANGE YOU REEVALUATE WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, I AGREE EVERYBODY.

AND I WAS IN SUPPORTIVE DEL PARK UNTIL EVERYONE SAID NO, BUT WE HAD DESIGNED THIS PRIOR TO DIAL AND WE DESIGNED THIS WITHOUT ALL THE ELEMENTS.

SO OUR VISION HAS CHANGED.

NOW WE SEE A ONE-STOP VISION NOW THAT THE PUMP TRACK AND THE SKILLS LOOP AND ALL THAT HAS, HAS BEEN INTRODUCED.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO WHERE, UM, COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING THEN I THINK, YEAH.

THEN IT'S TIME TO START RETHINKING ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.

AND, UM, AND THEN TAKING EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT I'D ALREADY SAID, I'M GOING TO REPEAT MYSELF, BUT YEAH.

I THINK EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY GETS MY POINT, BUT THAT'S GUSHING THAT YOU AND I HAVE HAD IS TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THE TWO BALL DIAMONDS AT FITCHBURG.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR DIRECTION IS TONIGHT IS TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RESCALE.

SO I'M HEARING WHAT WAS SAID WITHOUT SAYING IT, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS LEGITIMATE AND THAT YOU FELT THAT POWELL ROAD WAS THE BETTER OF THE TWO.

IS THAT TRUE? YES.

DON, I WOULD JUST SAY, WHEN DID YOU LEARN ABOUT PUMP TRACKS AND BICYCLE PLAYGROUNDS? CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT IT WAS WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT DIAL PREVIOUS, TALK ABOUT MONEDA WITH A BMX PARK AND THE SKATEBOARD PARK WAS TALKING ABOUT BMX PARK AND ESCAPE OR PARK BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THIS COUNTS PERSON KNEW.

I LEARNED ABOUT PUMP TRACKS AND BICYCLE PLAYGROUNDS WITH THE DOLL PARK PROPOSAL.

AND I WAS IN 100% FAVOR OF THAT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT AMENITY.

DIDN'T KNOW THAT EXISTED IF YOU'RE ASKING, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING PERHAPS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT BICYCLE PLAYGROUNDS AND PUMP TRACKS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED BEFORE I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT, IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE TO ME, JUST USING COMMON SENSE TO AGGREGATE ALL OF THOSE FEATURES UNDER ONE PARK, OUR BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.

IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE VISION WE HAD AT FITCHBURG ROAD, UH, INITIALLY, BUT I THINK IT'S A VISION THAT WE CAN HAVE MOVING FORWARD IF IT'S DONE.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A HECK OF A THING FOR THEIR KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND BEYOND MAYOR.

THERE'S A, UH, S THE WHOLE PATH WAS MARK WAS STAMPS.

I WOULD LIKE TO DREAM BIG.

WHAT IF WE MADE A SMALLER SKILLS LOOP AND MADE A LARGER LOOP AROUND, UM, FITCHBURG BRAND PIKE, CHAMBERSBURG OLD TROY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

TAKE SOME OF THE SKILLS LOOP OUT OF MANITA.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, GO BIGGER AND GO COMPLETELY AROUND THE CITY BLOCK FITCHBURG BRAND PIKE THAT WOULD TIE WITH OUR REVITALIZATION, A BRAND PIKE TO CHAMBERSBURG, LIKE MY COUSINS WALK, THE CAMINO, THERE'S A PATH

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LIKE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A CREATIVE DESIGN WOULD MARK THE PATH.

YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CITY BLOCK IN THE MIDDLE OF HUBER.

AND WE COULD HAVE A LARGER SKILLS LOOP.

OH, IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE PRACTICALITY OF THAT.

CAUSE I MEAN, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T THINK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES AND HOW THAT WOULD ALL WORK.

WELL, I THINK THEY ALL HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT HOW MUCH WE NEED TO WIDEN IT TO MAKE IT WIDER FOR A BIKE PATH TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.

WELL, I DON'T THINK HE'S JUST A BIKE PATH.

THE SKILLS LOOP IS, HAS DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT.

AND, UM, I MEAN, THAT WOULD DO YOU WOULDN'T WANT CONCRETE THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT PART OF THE, OF THE ACTUAL LOOP ITSELF, BUT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE AFTER SKILLS LOOP WOULD BE A LARGER BIKE PATH.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IS BIKE PATHS.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T W I THINK WE ALL KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BIKE PATHS AND CONNECTIONS TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO THE TRAIL.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING IDEA, BUT I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOG OF NCL THAT WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, BUT SEEING HOW THAT WOULD KIND OF COME TOGETHER.

GO AHEAD.

UM, YEAH, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THE, THE, THE, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT, UH, POTENTIAL REVENUE OUT THERE.

I, I, I DON'T SEE IT.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

THESE ARE PUBLIC PARKS.

I DON'T SEE ANY POTENTIAL REVENUE PERSONALLY.

I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD COME FROM.

EVEN WHEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME TO IT AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO SHOPPING OR GO EAT OR WHATEVER.

STILL IT'S NOT CHANGING THE CITY'S REVENUE IN ANY WAY IT IS.

OR OUR INCOME IS BASED ON INCOME TAXES AND NOT SALES TAXES.

SO THAT REALLY WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING OR BUSINESSES ARE IN PROFITS.

RIGHT? SURE.

UM, TO, UH, DRAWING PEOPLE OFF THE INTERSTATE TO COME IN HERE, THAT'S NEVER BEEN MY GOAL WITH THE PARK SITUATIONS.

IT'S MORE THE, UH, PROVIDING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

I THINK ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT HERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE BEING DRUG IN FROM OTHER AREAS AROUND WHERE THEY'RE AT.

THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF IT, I THINK.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO MARKET THIS AS SOME REGIONAL ACTIVITY TO DRAG PEOPLE IN.

I THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY GOAL IN ANY, ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I I'M, I'M IN THIS TO CREATE A PARK AREA, PARK AMENITIES, THINGS FOR THE PEOPLE OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S MY, THIS ONE PERSON'S OPINION THAT WE'VE GOT TO START FOCUSING INWARD ON OUR COMMUNITY AND TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT HANDLING ALL THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND US.

WE GOT ABOUT 40,000 PEOPLE IN THE HEBREW HEIGHTS RIGHT NOW THAT NEED ATTENTION AND NEED AMENITIES.

AND WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE BEFORE WE MOVE TO TRY TO, UH, DRAG PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER AREAS.

BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON, ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. AND I RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS, LYNN, BUT I THINK THE, IF THE AMENITY IS GOING TO EXIST, WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT? LOOK, I, OKAY.

SO EVERYBODY SAYS JUST ONE PERSON'S OPINION, BUT MY OPINION IS IF WE DON'T DO THINGS THAT DRAW PEOPLE TO BRANT PIKE, IT'S NOT GOING TO REVITALIZE YOU.

YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED DEVELOPERS.

UM, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT OWNERS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED BUSINESS OWNERS WHO WANT TO BE ON BRAND PIKE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THEIR BRAND PIKE HAS LOOKED LIKE IT'S LOOKED BETWEEN CHAMBERSBURG AND FITCHBURG SINCE 1976, WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE.

SO ANY DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OF BRAND PIKE HASN'T HAPPENED NATURALLY IN 45 YEARS.

SO TO THINK SO, SO WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR THE NEXT 40 YEARS FOR THAT MATTER.

IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME WHERE WE WANT THEM TO COME, I MEAN, YOU, YOU VOTED YES.

FOR ALL OF OUR REDEVELOPMENT MONEY WE SPENT AND PROPERLY.

SO , WHICH IS WHY IT'S ON THIS AGENDA TONIGHT.

HONEST.

IT'S, IT'S WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I'VE ASKED FOR IT MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE WE'VE HAD NO DISCUSSION ABOUT IT YET.

WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON IT AND WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO, TO, TO PULL IN PEOPLE FROM THE REGION.

THE GOAL IS TO, TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, TO CREATE A BETTER COMMUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.

AND IF THE COMMUNITY ITSELF BECOMES A BETTER COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WILL JUST COME VISIT IT NATURALLY.

I'VE BEEN TO LOTS OF OTHER NICER, MORE WELL TAKEN CARE OF COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE JUST VISIT BECAUSE IT'S A NICE COMMUNITY.

NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE DRAWN IN BY A SHOPPING CENTER OR A AMUSEMENT PARK OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A NICE

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COMMUNITY.

UM, NOW YOU DO FIND OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE ARE AMUSEMENT PARKS AND WHATNOT.

QUITE HONESTLY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE NEAR THOSE, MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT YEAH, I'M NOT TRYING TO GROW FOR GROWTH'S SAKE HERE, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BECOME THE DESTINATION CAPITAL OF THE WORLD OR EVEN OHIO.

I JUST WANT PROVIDE SOME NICE AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS AT HUBER HEIGHTS.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE ACT LIKE WE'RE DISCUSSING HOW TO COMPLETELY RE-ENGINEER THE WHOLE CITY.

UM, I DON'T GET THE CONFUSION AND TRYING TO CREATE DIFFICULTIES IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME.

QUITE HONESTLY, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR FOUR HOURS NOW.

UM, THIS IS IT'S RIDICULOUS.

THE AMOUNT OF TALK WE'VE HAD ON THIS, BUT, WELL, I COMPLETELY DISAGREE ABOUT DRAWING PEOPLE FROM, FROM AROUND THE AREA.

I MEAN, TALK TO ANY KID WHO LIKES TO ESCAPE, BORED, TALK TO ANY KID WHO LIKES TO RIDE THEIR BMX BIKE AT A RACETRACK, AND THEN ASK THEIR PARENTS WHERE THEY'RE TAKING THEIR KIDS.

THEY'RE GOING TO OTHER PLACES.

SO TO THINK THAT WE HAVE AN AMENITY LIKE THIS, THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO COME TO, I THINK IS VERY NAIVE.

WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NOBODY'S GOING TO COME TO IT, BUT TO, TO TRY TO SELL IT AS, AS THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ATTRACTION, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF IT.

THAT MAY HAPPEN NATURALLY.

THAT'D BE GREAT IF IT DID, BUT THE POINT IS TO PROVIDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR MEMBERS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE AROUND US.

NOT, NOT EVERYONE ELSE.

I DON'T DISAGREE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REVITALIZATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THIS CITY.

THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY HAS BEEN IGNORED FOR FAR TOO LONG.

IN MY OPINION, WE HAVEN'T PUT ENOUGH INTO IT.

WE'VE NOT COME UP WITH ENOUGH CREATIVE IDEAS TO REBUILD THAT, TO CREATE SOMETHING, SOMETHING NEW AND SOMETHING NICER.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S, UH, EXPRESSING AN OPINION OF SOME REDESIGNS I'M LOOKING INTO, UM, W WHAT CAN BE DONE AT MANITA AS WELL.

UM, TAKING THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION WITHOUT THAT OTHER, UH, WITHOUT THE OTHER, UH, BASEBALL DIAMOND.

UM, SO THAT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY ANSWERS OR ISSUES TO MOVE THIS THING FORWARD TONIGHT.

SO, UM, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT AGAIN AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION OR WHEN, WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND, AND, AND LET US TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

JUST ONE LAST QUICK, ONE LAST QUESTION, JOSH, THOSE TWO BALL DIAMONDS DOWN THERE ARE THOSE CONTRACTS TO ANY LEAGUES AND ANY LEAGUE TRYING TO USE THOSE THERE'S ONE LEAD USING THE ONE ON THE LEFT RIGHT NOW.

IT WAS THE EASIEST TO REVITALIZE QUICKLY.

WE'RE GOING TO USE BOTH.

THAT'S A REGULAR WAY THEY USE IT FOR CAUSE THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS REGULATION FIELDS.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

SANCTION LEAGUE, OR THEY'RE JUST, UH, I'M NOT SURE.

I, SO I'D HAVE TO ASK THEM THAT QUESTION.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT THEY ASKED, HEY, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS OTHER FIELD REGAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL USE BOTH NOW, WHETHER THEY'RE JUST GOING TO USE ONE FOR PRACTICE.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR IN THE CONVERSATION.

I BELIEVE THEY WERE OUT OF FAIR WORK.

DON'T CHECK THE CONTRACT, LIFT THE WHY.

SO I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THE PAPERWORK JUST TO FIND THAT OUT.

IF I MAY, JUST, SINCE YOU DID BRING UP ABOUT WHY THIS LOOKS LIKE THIS, I DID HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU, AND YOU DID MENTION ABOUT SORT OF MOVING THAT TO BALL FIELD.

AND I DID SPEAK WITH, UM, WITH JOSH ABOUT THAT AND DID MENTION THAT, BUT I LOOKED TO HIM FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND HE DID MENTION ABOUT THAT GROUP THAT DID WANT TO USE THOSE SITES.

SO, UH, THAT WAS THE DIRECTION GIVEN TO THE DESIGNER TO MAKE THIS AS WHATEVER WORKS IN THE SPACE, AVAILABLE WITH THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE USER GROUPS WITH THE, UM, THE, THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS AS WELL.

UM, SO, AND THAT WAS, UH, GIVEN TO THEM PRIOR TO, UM, HEARING THE PRESENTATION OR THE, UH, DISCUSSION THAT, UH, MR. SHAWL BROUGHT UP.

WHICH IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD UPDATE.

WELL, LOOK FORWARD TO THAT INFORMATION COMING LATER.

NEXT IS THE ITEM THREE, I,

[ Parks and Recreation Board Update]

YOU MEAN COUNCIL AGAIN, I'M BINS, KING CHAIR FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.

UM, I APOLOGIZE.

UH, WE HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU AND IT'LL BE A YEAR AND A HALF TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, BUT AS YOU KNOW, COVID AND SOME OTHER THINGS OCCURRED.

SO TODAY I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, ONE OUR PRIORITY LIST, TOP 10, THAT THE BOARD VOTED ON AND ARE RECOMMENDING TO BE ADDED TO THE SIP AND TO THE HUBER PLANS, UM, TO

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TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON IN THREE, UM, PROGRAMMING.

SO, UM, FIRST I'LL START WITH THE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMMING.

UM, SO, UH, SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, UM, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD HAS STARTED TO CHANGE AND SHIFTS SOMEWHAT.

SO BEFORE THEY WERE FOCUSING MAINLY ON AMENITIES.

AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO ALSO LOOK AT PROGRAMMING AND WHAT CAN WE AS A BOARD, UM, PARTNER WITH THE Y AND OR THE PARTS MANAGER TO BRING INTO THE CITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, JOSH, JOSH AND JERRY HAVE ALREADY STARTED, UM, JOINING THINGS LIKE THE MUSIC AND THE MOVIE SERIES.

THOSE ARE GREAT PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS, UM, OUR TWO BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, SORRY, AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.

SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.

SO ONE OF OUR, UM, BOARD MEMBERS TALKED ABOUT, UH, GEOCASHING SO MAYBE DOING SOME OF THAT IN THE PARKS, AND WE KNOW IT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN THE CITY, BUT ALSO SEEING IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO ADD MORE SPECIFICALLY TO LANDMARKS OR TO OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOCUS JUST IN THE PARKS, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE EXPANDED TO OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE, UM, TEACHING YOUTH, UM, HOW TO USE A GPS AND A COMPASS AND ALL OF THAT.

SO, UM, WE THINK SOME OF THOSE SKILLS ARE IMPORTANT.

SO WE WANT TO BRING BACK INTO THE CITY AS WELL.

THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, FUN ACTIVITIES, AGAIN, BRINGING IN THE ROCK, PAINTING, BRINGING BACK, YOU KNOW, AND PAINT AND SIP AGAIN.

SO REINSTITUTING A LOT OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE STARTED DOING, WHERE ARE YOU TO, WE WERE ENTERING INTO, OKAY.

SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM HERE, UM, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK JERRY THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION AND JOSH, BUT HELPING PUT THESE GREAT EVENTS ON, UM, FOR THE LAST, I THINK TWO YEARS SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE MOVIES AND THE MUSIC HAVE BEEN A GREAT ADDITION TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND TO THE CITY.

UM, EVEN THIS YEAR ALONE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DONATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DONATED TICKETS OR DONATED OTHER ITEMS, SO WE CAN DO TRIVIA OR OTHER THINGS, A GIVEAWAY AND PROVIDE GIVEAWAYS TO DURING THESE EVENTS.

SO, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO AUGUST AS WELL.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT, GREAT MOVIE EVENT.

SO THE LAST BIG ITEM THAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS THE, UH, PRIORITY LIST.

SO, SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE WHO HAVEN'T, UM, WHO WEREN'T ON THE, UH, WHO WASN'T ON COUNCIL BEFORE.

UM, WHAT I HAD THE BOARD DO WAS IDENTIFY, UM, TWO THINGS, UM, ONE NEW AMENITIES THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO THE PARTS SYSTEM, TO MAINTENANCE ITEMS. I COLLECTED THOSE ITEMS AND I SEPARATED THEM.

BUT THERE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SO WE HAVE A PRIORITY LIST WITH THE NEW AMENITIES AND A MAINTENANCE LIST WITH BOTH LISTS, WE HAVE THEM SCORE, UM, SCORE BASED ON IMPORTANCE, URGENCY, AND EFFORT, AND TIME I TOOK THAT INFORMATION, CALCULATED IT, UH, AVERAGE OUT THE SCORES AND CAME UP WITH THE PRIORITY.

WE THEN LAST WEEK LOOKED AT THE PRIOR, LOOK AT THE TOP THING WAS 19, UH, SORRY, RATHER THAN 16 TO 19 ITEMS ON THE LIST FOR THE PRIORITY LIST.

AND WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT A FEW OF THOSE THINGS, REMOVED THEM BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ENDED UP BEING PROGRAMMING AND SOUNDS.

WE KNEW WE JUST COULDN'T DO.

AND OTHERS, WE THINK, UM, WOULD BE BEST UNDER THE CONCEPT OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE FOR, UH, THE SPORTS, UM, WHICH WE STILL NEED TO TALK.

SO WITH THAT SAID, HERE'S THE LIST FOR YOU? AND I WILL DEFINITELY EMAIL THIS OVER TO TONY TO SEND IT OUT TO COUNCIL AND SEND IT TO JOSH IN THE MORNING.

SO WE HAVE AD BASKETBALL COURTS, TWO LOCATIONS NORTH OF 71 SPECIFIC LOCATION WAS NEXT TO THE AQUATIC CENTER OR NEAR THE AQUATIC CENTER.

WE, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE ALL THE BASKETBALL COURTS ARE CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOT NORTH OF 70, THAT ARE ON PART PROPERTY.

I MEAN, LET ME PHRASE IT THAT WAY.

WE WANT IT ADD A FITNESS PAD OR FITNESS EQUIPMENT TO OUR PARK SYSTEM.

WE, YES, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING DOWN AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE BECAUSE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD IT IS, BUT WE NEED TO REDO THAT AS WELL.

BUT WE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING WHERE IT'S ONE COMPLETE PAD WITH FITNESS EQUIPMENT ON IT.

SO IT'S ALL ONE CENTRAL CIRCUIT NEXT.

WE SAID, ADD A BATHROOM, A PERMANENT BATHROOM TO COMMUNITY PARK.

AND WE KNOW THE HISTORY ABOUT COMMUNITY PARK IN THE BATHROOMS,

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AND SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO THAT, BUT WE STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL TO HAVE A BATHROOM OUT THERE, ADD MODERN, INTERACTIVE TECHNOLOGY TO THE PARKS.

SO AS OUR PARKS CONTINUE TO GROW AND WE CONTINUE TO ADD NEW AMENITIES, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING INTO THOMAS CLOUD PARK, YOUR PHONE GETS PINGED AND YOU HAVE A MAP AUTOMATICALLY OF ALL WHERE ALL THE AMENITIES ARE.

WE'RE ADDING QR CODES TO THE SHELTERS SO THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE SHELTER IS RENTED OR AVAILABLE.

UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL OF CHARGING STATIONS OR EVEN BIKE STATIONS AS WELL.

SO DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT MAKE THE PARTS, MAKE OUR PARTS IT DESTINATION.

WE WANT TO ADD A PLAYGROUND TO, TO THE EICHELBERGER AMPHITHEATER AREA.

UM, THIS WAY PARENTS WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, UM, CAN HAVE THEIR CHILDREN PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND AND THEY CAN ENJOY THE MUSIC, THE MOVIE, WHATEVER ACTIVITY WE DECIDED TO HAVE OVER AT THE AQUAPORIN AMPHITHEATER.

AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE FARMER'S MARKET.

YOU HAVE THE MIRACLE FESTIVAL.

YOU HAVE, UM, TOM OTHER, A TON OF OTHER THINGS HAPPEN UP THERE.

AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY WHILE MY DAD ARE JUST SITTING DOWN, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT THEY DO.

UH, WE WANT TO EXPAND THE SHELL GAY PARKING LOT.

UM, ADD ANOTHER BATHROOM TO THOMAS CLUB PART, UM, ADD ANOTHER BALL COURT TO THOMAS CALLED PARK AND WALTON TRAILS TO COTTONWOOD COTTONWOOD.

AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE HAS, UM, PLAYGROUND.

I THINK THEY HAVE A SWING.

THEY HAVE SEVERAL BASEBALL FIELDS, SMALL, SMALL BASEBALL, BASEBALL FIELDS, BUT THAT IS ALSO A COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

SO ADDING A WALKING TRAIL ON THE PERIMETER WOULD BE NICE WITH THE FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT THERE AS WELL.

IN FACT, ANY WALKING TRAILS TO ANY OUR PARTS IS IMPORTANT.

AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE TOP OF MY LIST.

SO, AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST BASEBALL DAY, UM, WE ARE AWARE THAT THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS NEED TO BE REPAIRED.

WE NEED, THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED, BUT AT SOME POINT, UM, WE AS A CITY HAVE TO TAKE OWNERSHIP AND START, LET ME CLEAN SLATE.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS AS LOOK AT THE OUTFIELDS, LOOK AT THE MOUNDS, ADD THOSE AMENITIES.

SO THAT WAY THE YOUTH SPORTS, THE ADULT SPORTS, UM, WILL HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT AND IN MANY MEANS TO START WITH, AND THEN FIND A WAY TO CONTRACT OUT THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FIELDS.

SO, OR WORK WITH THE YOUTH GROUPS OR USER GROUPS TO HELP MAINTAIN THOSE FIELDS AS WELL.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TODAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS VINCE.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AND COMMENTS? SHERWEB OH, PHIL'S CAN YOU SPEAK TO, UH, WHAT, UH, UH, AT, UH, JOSH HAD MENTIONED, UH, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE, UM, THE PLANTING OF THE POLLINATOR FIELDS AT, UH, TOM PLOWED OUT OF RIP ROUTE, IS THAT RIGHT? JOSH WAS PROBABLY THE MOST, THE BETTER ONE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE OVERALL CONCEPT IS TO, UM, SO LOOK AT AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOK AT AREAS SPECIFICALLY IN A SPECIFIC PARKS WHERE WE CAN PUT, UM, CERTAIN TYPES OF GRASS AND WE CAN INCREASE THE POLLINATORS AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING OUT, THEY'RE COMING OUT WHEN THE POPULATION IS STILL GROWING, BUT WE HAVE AREAS WITHIN THE PARKS WHERE THEY'RE JUST NOT USABLE.

SO BY, YOU KNOW, WE DO SO BY PUTTING IN THE GRASS, YOU WOULD REDUCE THE COST SOMEWHAT, UM, UH, FUEL AND HAVING TO CUT THOSE AREAS.

BUT THEN THERE ARE ALSO PRAIRIE AREAS ARE REALLY NICE AND BEAUTIFUL SPOTS TO LOOK AT.

AND THEN WITH THAT, WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, UM, NOT NECESSARILY BIRD HOUSES, BUT BEES WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BEES AND PUTTING IN A LITTLE, UM, BEEHIVES, NOT THE SOLITARY BEE HABITAT.

SO, SO THERE'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, A LOT OF THAT WAS JOSH'S IDEA.

UH, WE DID HAVE THE GIRL SCOUTS COME OUT AND THEY SHOWED ONE OF THEIR LITTLE DESIGNS.

UM, SO, UM, SO I THINK, UM, BY DOING THAT AND PARTNERING WITH THEM, PARTNERING WITH THE BOYS SCOUTS AND IT'S JOSH HAS DONE SO FAR, THOSE ARE, UM, GOOD COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL HELP OUR PARKS GROW AND PROVIDE NEW AMENITIES AND NEW SITES FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE AS WELL.

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OUTSTANDING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR BITS? THANKS, VINCE.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE EMAIL SECOND.

I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD MEMORY, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THAT STUFF.

AND NEXT UP IS, UH, I AM THREE J WOOD.

I'M SORRY.

REVIEW ALL OF THE PROPOSALS I HAVE SURFACE.

CAN WE CONSIDER THAT DIALED PORK IS NOW ON PERMANENT HOME? YES.

I'M IN THREE J, WHICH IS THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT, SCOTT.

SO NEXT UP IS

[ Brandt Pike Revitalization Project]

UM, THIS WAS, UH, BROUGHT UP BY MR. OTTO WITH, UH, SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THINGS TONIGHT.

UM, BUT I CAN START OFF BY, UH, TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE SITES, UM, THAT THERE HAS BEEN PORTIONS OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN.

THERE ARE OTHER PORTIONS STILL TO COME.

UH, WE BROUGHT FORTH, UH, JUST THE, UH, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT THE GRANT FUNDING FOR TEARING DOWN THE PORTION OF THE FURNITURE STORE, THE PORTION BEHIND THE, I CALL THE CR DATE AND PROPERTY, THAT PORTION, THEY JUST FINALIZE SOME OF THE REWORKING OF SOME OF THE ELECTRIC.

AND WE'VE GOT A MEETING COMING UP ON THAT ABOUT, UH, UM, WITH THE CONTRACTORS ABOUT THAT DEMOLITION.

UM, THE, I HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW WITH THE ARCHITECTS, UH LWCC UM, THAT THEY ARE THE COMBINATION OF THINGS IN THAT AREA.

THEY ARE THE ARCHITECTS FOR THE LIBRARY AND THEY ARE ALSO THE, OUR ARCHITECTS.

WE HIRED FOR THE REMODELING OF THE FRONT PIECE OF THE CR DAYTON, UH, PROPERTY.

SO, UM, I WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AFTER TOMORROW OFF OF EACH OF THOSE.

UM, BUT THE, UH, THE PLANT ITSELF OF SPLITTING OFF THE LOTS FOR THE LIBRARY AND FOR THE DOGTOWN PIECE HAS BEEN RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY.

UH, SO THAT A PORTION IS DONE.

UM, IF YOU RECALL THE, UM, THERE WERE TWO AREAS IN ALL OF THESE SHOPPING CENTERS THAT HAD OLD DRY CLEANERS.

AND WITH THAT, THERE WERE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

ANYTIME YOU HAVE OLD DRY CLEANERS, YOU HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

SO WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE WHERE YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCRETE PAD STILL LEFT OF WHAT HAS BEEN TORN DOWN, THAT'S IN THE AREA WHERE THERE WAS THE DRY CLEANERS THEY PUT IN SOME MONITORING WELLS, JUST MAP OUT, UM, HOW FAR THAT THEY WILL NEED TO DIG OUT SOME OF THAT SOIL.

SO THEY HAVE COMPLETED THEIR SOIL SAMPLING AND, UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING TO US WHAT THAT AREA IS.

WE WILL, THE NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE THAT CONCRETE PAD REMOVED AND SOME OF THAT SOIL REMOVED AND TAKEN TO THE PROPER PLACE, AND THEN, UH, FILL THAT IN WITH, UH, WITH STANDARD CLEAN SOIL.

UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE, UH, THE, OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, PARTS, UH, AND ALSO THE, UM, THE ATM HAS BEEN REMOVED AS WELL.

AND THE LARGE SIGNS THAT WERE FOR THE MARION MEADOWS PIECE, THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

I THOUGHT, OH, UM, SO, UM, UH, FROM, AND ALSO FROM THAT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UM, UM, A COUPLE OF THE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, SUBWAY IS LOOKING TO RENOVATE THEIR SPACE AND UPGRADE THEIR SPACE.

UM, AND, UM, THE, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH A, OUR CONSULTANT ON FILLING SOME OF THE OPEN SPACES.

UM, THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE LAND AND WHERE WE ARE GOING.

UM, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN A POSITION TO GIVE OUT THE NAMES OF COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING, BUT MR. TOM CASKEY IS, UH, WE'LL TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST SEVEN DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS OR COMPANIES THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN A WIDE VARIETY OF TYPES OF USES FROM MULTI-FAMILY SENIOR TYPE USES, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, UH, THOSE TYPES OF USES.

SO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON ALL OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD.

UM, SO, UM, AND THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN ADD TO THAT.

WE CONTINUE TO, UM, WE CONTINUE TO FEEL A LOT OF INTEREST ABOUT THE PARCEL.

A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS UP UNTIL RECENTLY HAVE BEEN, UH, WHAT ARE THE, UH, THE

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PUBLIC USES SAID THE LIBRARY BEING ONE.

SO THAT WAS A SHOE THAT FELL, AND THEN THAT SPARKED A LOT OF INTEREST.

UM, AND THEN WE'VE PUBLICLY TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE'S ANOTHER MUNICIPAL INTEREST, UH, TO DEVELOP ON THAT SITE.

AND SO, UH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO GET A LOT OF INTEREST, UH, MOSTLY AROUND MULTIFAMILY IN SOME CAPACITY.

BUT, UM, AS, AS MR SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO SOME FOLKS ABOUT COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UH, AND SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO I THINK AS THAT TAKES SHAPE, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT, UM, THE, UH, THE PLAT DONE, UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO, UH, TO PREPARE THE DEED AND TRANSFER THAT OVER TO DOGTOWN.

SO WE CAN GET THAT MOVING.

I THINK WE'LL START TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL INTEREST NOW THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY TAKING SHAPE, RIGHT? SO WHEN PEOPLE SEE THINGS HAPPENING, THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

SO, UH, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE TO HAVE INTEREST IN THAT.

AND I EXPECT THAT TO PICK UP HERE AGAIN SOON.

SO THE, THE ARCHITECT FOR DOGTOWN HAS BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH US AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR DESIGN WORK.

SO THEY ARE WORKING ON PLANS THAT WOULD COME FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SAME WITH THE LIBRARY.

THEY'VE ONE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS VIRTUAL, UM, AND THEY ARE WORKING ON SETTING UP THEIR NEXT SET OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR SOME OF THAT INTERIOR SPACE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED.

SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, I'LL GET MORE INFORMATION TOMORROW FROM THE ARCHITECTS ON, UM, WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH THOSE PLANS.

UM, SO THE, UM, THE, THE NEXT, THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT MIXTURE OF DEVELOPMENT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT THAT'S EVERYTHING YOU PUT IN THERE IS YES.

UH, SO RETAIL OFFICE RESTAURANT, RESIDENTIAL GREENSPACE MUNICIPAL.

SOUTH POINT CROSSING JUST KIND OF MADE SENSE.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY DEFINITE NO TO ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF USES AND HOW THEY WILL WORK TOGETHER.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS OF TALKING WITH THE ARCHITECT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MATERIALS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ABOUT HOW THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARIES HAVE A SPECIFIC LOOK THAT THEY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH ALL THE OTHER LIBRARIES, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BRICK LOOK FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.

SO THEY ARE INCORPORATING SOME THINGS THAT WORK BETTER FOR US, UM, IN THEIR DESIGNS, UM, SO THAT IT FITS WITH OUR, UH, COMMUNITY AS WELL.

UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER LIBRARY IS WHERE THIS SITS IS SITTING ON BRAND PIKE IS THE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE BEHIND LIBRARY, BUT WE ALL, I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, WE WANT A MAIN ENTRANCE COMING OFF A BRAND PIKE AS WELL FOR THE PEDESTRIANS.

THERE'S A BUS STOP THERE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING TO GO IN THERE.

SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO MAIN ENTRANCES IN THIS.

THEY ARE ALSO PUTTING INSIDE, THEY ARE SETTING UP, CALL IT STAGE AREA THAT CAN HAVE SMALL PERFORMANCES FOR THE SCHOOLS, OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY WORKING ON A HUBER HEIGHTS LIBRARY, NOT JUST A STANDARD COOKIE CUTTER LIBRARY FOR US.

AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN I GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE ARCHITECT TOMORROW, I'LL PASS THAT ON.

SO, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY SLOW DOWN BECAUSE OF THE TRANSITION FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR? I MEAN, HAS THAT BEEN A PRETTY SMOOTH TRANSITION FOR US AND YOUR COMMUNICATION WITH THE LIBRARY? IT HAS THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A CALL IT A LEARNING CURVE FOR THEM.

UM, SO AS THE NEW, UH, UH, DIRECTOR IS GETTING UP TO SPEED ON THINGS, UM, BUT, UH, WE'VE BEEN DEALING MAINLY THROUGH THE ARCHITECT ON, OR I HAVE ABOUT THE DESIGN PLANS AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IN THEIR, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS, THINGS.

SO, UM, SO EVERYTHING'S MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.

SO, UM, THEN, UM, THE, THE, THE NAMING, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION, THE NAMING, SO I DON'T KNOW.

YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, LOOK, IT WAS PRETTY SIMPLE.

I MEAN, SO BACK WHEN WE KNEW THE LIBRARY HAD AGREED AND WE HAD THE, UM, THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, THE NAME OR THE, OR THE PROPERTY FOR THE LIBRARY, THIS WAS BACK IN DECEMBER EARLY DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

UM, I DID A RECORD YOUR PRESENTATION AND I WAS KIND OF LIBRARY AND KIND OF SHOWING SOME CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT THE, UM, THAT THE ARCHITECT HAD PUT TOGETHER.

AND SO FOR THE DRAWINGS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING I HAD, UH, TALKED TO THE ARCHITECTS ABOUT AND SOUTHLAND CROSSING IS WHAT CAME UP NATURALLY.

CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT SOUTH PARK CROSSING JUST TO PUT ON THE BUILDINGS.

AND ON THE, ON THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS WAS BECAUSE AT FITCHBURG, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A, A PLACE WHERE IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT AT WHICH YOU'RE CROSSING INTO WARD FIVE, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY.

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IT WAS JUST THE NAME THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE, BUT THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IT.

I MEAN, I, I WOULD, I THINK AN INTERESTING IDEA WOULD BE IF WE OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAD A CONTEST, A NAMING CONTEST AND LET PEOPLE PROVIDE THEIR INPUT AND SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO CALL IT.

CAUSE CELL POINT CROSSING IS PRETTY GENERIC JUST AS A SOMETHING TO HAVE WITH THE DRAWING AND A PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE BACK IN DECEMBER.

SO, UH, I THINK ANYTHING ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE.

RICHARD, JERRY I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE OF MY REALLY URGENT NEED TO DRIVE A BULLDOZER THROUGH ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

DO I NEED TO CALL ARTS AND HAVE ONE DELIVERED? I MEAN, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? YOU STILL GOT THE, THE DOG PARK.

WE'LL LET YOU DO THAT.

I THINK DON SAID, HE'LL TAKE A TURN.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YEAH, MAN, I'LL, I'LL MAKE THE EQUIPMENT APPEARED.

THE SIERRA DAYTON PROPERTY IS TOO COMPLEX, BUT DOG PARK, THAT WILL BE THE LAST OF THE MARION METALS PLAZA, IF YOU WILL.

SO THAT MIGHT BE THE NICE ONE TO SWING THE SLEDGEHAMMER.

I'M ALL THERE.

SCOTT, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED THOUGH, I DO WANT TO BRING UP, SO I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON A HEBREW HEIGHTS LIBRARY, NOT A COOKIE CUTTER LIBRARY, WHICH I APPRECIATE, UH, AND HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

NICE END OF THAT FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HAD, THE ONLINE MEETING THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEHOW THIS IN THE ARCHITECTURE ON THERE TOO, I BELIEVE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THIS MANY PEOPLE THAT WAS IN THAT COMMUNITY MEETING AND EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO GET AWAY FROM SOME BRICK.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KNOWN AS AMERICA'S LARGEST NEIGHBORHOOD OF BRICK HOMES AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SEE A MORE MODERN STYLE, DIFFERENT USES OF FACADES AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

SO WE DIDN'T GET STUCK IN THE IDEA THAT THIS IS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE JUST BREAKS BECAUSE OF ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING.

W WE'RE WE SAW TONS OF BRICK HOMES HERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF, UM, MATERIALS ARE BEING USED NOW.

AND IT WAS A VERY BIG POINT THAT PEOPLE MADE DURING THAT COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS MIXED IN, AND THAT WE DIDN'T JUST HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A BRICK LIBRARY.

AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ALL BRICK BUILDING.

IT WAS JUST TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE DESIGN, BUT A LOT OF WHAT THEY HAVE IS A LOT OF THE STEEL AND GLASS THAT INCORPORATED INTO YES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE A SMILE.

IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, ACCENTS TYPE THINGS.

NOT THAT IT WOULD BE AN OLD BRICK BUILDING.

CROSSING AND IT'S OVERLY COMMON.

SINCE I, I DID THROW THIS ON HERE BECAUSE I JUST HAD SOME CONCERN.

I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE KIND OF MOVING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, POP, WHICH WE'RE NOT A SURPRISE TO ANYONE, THE DOGTOWN, THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY WE HAD, IT'S BEEN EXPECTED FOR YEARS AND HAVE PAID FOR FOR YEARS.

UM, NO BIG DEAL.

I JUST WANTED IT OUT THERE TO GO AHEAD.

I THINK WE NEED TO START DISCUSSING PUBLICLY AGAIN WHAT OUR GOALS ARE.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND PULL OUT SCOTT, IF YOU CAN, FOR EVERYBODY, THE, THE, FROM THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION STUDY THAT WE DID, THAT WE SPENT GOOD MONEY ON AND SPEND A YEAR ON.

UM, THOSE ARE THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY AND SURVEY AND SOME OF THE, UH, THE, THE CONCEPTUALS AND WHATNOT THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THEY REALLY KIND OF HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THEIR CONCEPTUALS.

I DID MY OWN CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, BUT I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.

SO THOUGH IT IS TO SCALE, IT'S NOT FANCY.

UM, BUT, UH, NO, I, I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS BASED ON THE INPUT THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SEE THERE.

BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE US TO GO INTO THIS WITH A PLAN AND NOT JUST A CHUNK OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE FOR SALE AND WHOEVER BUYS A CHUNK AND BUILDS ON IT.

SO BE IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND WE'RE JUST SELLING IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY.

I THINK THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

I THINK THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN INTENTIONAL, BUILD-OUT BUILT TO WHAT WE WANT, WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR.

WE'RE, IT'S NOT A LAND FOR SALE SITUATION.

WE NEED TO DEVELOP OUR VISION AND THEN GO OUT AND SELL THAT TO THE DEVELOPER THAT CAN PULL IT OFF, NOT SIT BACK ON OUR HEELS AND WAIT FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I CAN THROW SOME APARTMENTS IN.

THERE ARE, I CAN PUT A COUPLE OF, UH, STORES IN THERE.

UH, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE NEED TO GRAB THIS BULL BY THE HORNS.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINKING BIG, THIS IS THE HEART OF OUR CITY AND WHERE WE NEED TO REBUILD AND CLEAN UP AND REVITALIZE IS RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S THE BEST POINT TO JUMP OFF AND DO IT.

WE GOT TO PUT EVERYTHING WE GOT INTO THIS, AND WE CAN'T JUST FLY BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS ON IT.

UM, YEAH, I BROUGHT UP THE, THE NAMING THING JUST BECAUSE I HAD LOOKED UP SOUTH POINT

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UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH JUST MARION MEADOWS, BUT, UM, UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF PULLING OUT THE, THE SURVEY, SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT AND MAKE THAT PUBLIC AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MOCK-UPS WE HAD, OR CONCEPTUALS THAT WE HAD, UM, START TO SET UP SOME MORE TOWN HALLS TO TROT THAT BACK OUT, TO SEE IF PUBLIC OPINION HAS CHANGED.

I KNOW IT'S ONLY BEEN WHAT, FOUR YEARS.

IT WAS 2017, RIGHT.

FOUR YEARS SINCE WE DID THAT, BUT WHO KNOWS WHERE PUBLIC OPINION IS THESE DAYS? W W WE'LL SEE, FOUR YEARS CAN BE A LONG TIME SOMETIMES.

UM, BUT NO, I JUST, I DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT TO JUST HAPPEN.

I DON'T WANT THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A DESIGN, INTENTIONAL THING TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS THAT WE SET OUT TO DO WHEN WE PAID, WAS IT A HUNDRED GRAND FOR THAT SURVEY? THAT'S A LOT OF DOUGH TO BE SPENDING ON A SURVEY TO GET EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY'S OPINION AND THEN JUST SHELF IT AND WALK AWAY.

AND IT'LL JUST LET SOME STUFF BE BUILT.

THAT WOULD BE A HUGE MISTAKE, I THINK.

AND WHEN WE CAN'T DO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO POP THIS OUT HERE.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TONIGHT, BUT I'D LIKE EVERYBODY'S MINDS TO START CHURNING ABOUT THAT.

IF WE CAN GET THAT INFO SO WE CAN REFRESH OURSELF ON WHAT THAT SURVEY DID PRODUCE FOR US.

UM, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT AS WELL.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT FAR AND WIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN COME UP AND PROVIDE INPUT ON THAT.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE A SITUATION WHERE WE'LL GET A LOT OF EXCITED PEOPLE COMING OUT GOING, THIS IS EXCITING.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS AND THIS AND THIS.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I PULLED THIS BACK OUT.

MA'AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, DON.

I'LL JUST LIKE, SAY I SHARE COUNSEL MULATTO'S, UM, FEELINGS ON THAT.

I, I DO THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL NEED TO HAVE THAT VISION, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THIS IN FRONT OF US, NOT JUST BRING IT UP FROM TIME TO TIME, THIS NEEDS TO STAY IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL WITH THAT VISION OF WHAT WE WANT TO SAY.

THERE ARE IMPORTANT.

SO I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING GOING SIDE.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH COUNCILMAN WEAPON AN AUTO, UM, TO THE POINT THAT, UH, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION.

UM, I THINK UNTIL BRENT PIKE REVITALIZATION IS COMPLETE, UM, THIS NEEDS TO BE A STANDING WORK, UH, ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION AND WHETHER OR NOT, IF IT'S A THREE SECOND ITEMS, SCOTT SAYS I'VE GOT NOTHING, NO UPDATES.

IT'S A STANDING ITEM.

SO THAT AGAIN, TO THE POINT, WHEN WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE RESIDENT, IF SOMEBODY SEES THAT ON THE, ON A MEETING AGENDA, THEY CAN COME IN, SPEAK ABOUT IT.

WE CAN TAKE THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR NOTES AT THAT TIME, JUST AGAIN, EVERY WORK SESSION WHERE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, WE'RE GETTING SOME UPDATES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

AND IT MAY NOT BE ANY UPDATE, BUT I THINK IT STAND IN STANDING AGENDA, UM, THAT, UH, THIS COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD ON THIS APPROPRIATELY.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU JUST ADD THAT AND MAKE THIS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, MOVING FORWARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.

SCOTT NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT OR SPEND A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA TALK REGARDING MARION MEADOWS AND THE, UM, UM, COUNCIL DECISION TO PERMIT SOME ODD TRUCK PARKING THERE.

AND, UM, IT'S BEEN KIND OF A HOT TOPIC DEBATED BOTH WAYS.

DO WE HAVE, AND AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, IT'S FINE.

WELL, WE CAN COME BACK TO, BUT DO WE HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY ON SOME, MY TRUCK PARKING AT MARION MEADOW? SO I HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS WITH OUR, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, WHEN WE DO MOVE, MOVE ON FROM THIS BECAUSE OF NEEDING THE SPACE, CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LIBRARY IS GOING TO GO.

UM, IS THAT, UH, WE WILL PUT OUT NOTIFICATIONS IN PLENTY OF TIME, GIVE THEM, WE'LL SAY A MONTH NOTICE.

UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT, HEY, MOVE THIS TONIGHT AND GET THIS OUT OF HERE.

UM, SO THAT THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO GIVE ABOUT A MONTH NOTICE AS WE HAVE IT, UH, TO THEM THAT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AT THAT LOCATION.

LOT OF THOSE TRADES MEN AND, AND SELF-EMPLOYED TYPE PEOPLE.

I FIGURED YOU WERE ON IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEP.

GOOD TO FOLLOW UP.

DON'S QUESTION.

UM, YEAH, I CAUGHT THE, SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

I DON'T RECALL A CONVERSATION ON THE DIAS CONCERNING THAT PARKING.

IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME WHATSOEVER.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT BROUGHT UP A SUBJECT THAT I BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST THAT TO SAY THAT I THINK IN SOME AREA WHERE WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S MAYBE NOT SO USABLE OR WOULD JUST BE GOOD FOR AN ENCLOSED PARKING.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CONTRACTORS, UH, OWNER OPERATORS OF TRUCKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A

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I, I WOULDN'T MIND A MUNICIPAL PARKING AREA FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THIS PROTECTED THAT DOESN'T OFFER SERVICES LIKE A TRUCK STOP, BUT JUST A NICE SECURE PLACE FOR THEM TO STORE THEIR THING, YOU KNOW, THEIR VEHICLES WHILE THEY'RE VISITING WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

UM, NOT A DISCUSSION FOR TONIGHT, BUT THAT DID KIND OF RING THAT AGAIN.

AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR CITY IS FULL OF, YOU KNOW, TRADESMEN AND DRIVERS AND STUFF.

SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ Senior Center Comprehensive Plan]

THREE K, WHICH IS THE SENIOR CENTER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S, UH, IT'S GETTING LATE AND I'LL BE BRIEF ON THIS ONE.

UH, SO, UH, SINCE OUR LAST WORK SESSION WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, SO, UH, BRIAN AND JAMIE HAVE PULLED OUT OLD DOCUMENTS, ALL LEGISLATION, AGREEMENTS, EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, HOW IT WAS BUILT, UH, RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, AND HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH THAT PORTION OF IT.

UH, WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, EMPLOYEES AND BOARD, UM, TO GATHER THEIR INPUT.

AND WE HAVE A MEETING THAT'S BEING SET UP FOR NEXT WEEK WITH THE CHAIR AND THE TREASURER AND THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR THAT, UH, MR. SEAN KOSKI, MYSELF AND MR. GRAY WILL, UH, MEET WITH THEM TO GO OVER SPACING NEEDS, EQUIPMENT NEEDS, UH, PROGRAMMING, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE HAVE INTERNALLY DISCUSSED, UM, ABOUT THINGS LIKE, CAUSE WE HEARD AT THE, UH, THE ONE PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT ONE PLAY PING PONG.

WE CAN DO THAT DOWN AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER ABOUT WE SET UP A SPACE.

AND SO HOW THAT KIND OF WORKS AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHETHER IT WORKS TO HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS TO GO, OR IS THIS SPACE REALLY, UH, ARE THEY OUTGROWING IT? SO, UM, THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, UM, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MERRY MEADOW SPACE, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A TO INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, HELPS THE, THE SENIORS GROW AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS.

SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE AND THAT WE, UH, WE'LL GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION WHEN WE HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT, YOU ALL JUST LOOKING AT A NEW FACILITY WITHIN THE MARION MEADOWS AREA IN THE, IN THE BRAIN PIKE REVITALIZATION AND HAVING A FACILITY THERE THAT'S WORTHY OF, UH, OUR SENIORS AND, AND, AND WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE KIND OF GROWTH THEY WANT THAT WOULD HAVE AGAIN, PARKING AND EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED.

I THINK JUST INCORPORATE IT AS WE TALK ABOUT MUNICIPAL SPACE.

UM, WE GOT A LOT OF LAND THERE THAT WE CAN DO A LOT WITH WHAT WE WANT, I THINK, UH, I THINK HAVING THAT IN CORPORATELY.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A DISCUSSION AROUND INCORPORATING THAT AS PART OF THE BRAND PIECE.

UM, FROM TALKING TO THEM, UM, I THINK THAT THEY LIKED THAT CENTRAL LOCATION.

UH, IT'S REALLY EASY FOR THE SENIORS TO GET THERE.

UH, BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE OUTGROWN.

UH, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS WE HAVE ANOTHER, THAT ALREADY IS WHEN I MET WITH THEM.

THEY HAD A LOT OF, UM, OLD DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, PAPER.

AND, UH, YOU COULD TELL THEY WERE, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE YOU OR TO HAVE AVAILABLE WHEN YOU MEET WITH THEM.

THEY MAY HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS YOU DON'T HAVE.

AND THEY'VE GOT THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.

UH, THEY DESERVE, THEY DESERVE QUALITY AMENITIES AS WELL.

THIS CLIP HERE, I'M GOING TO SAY, I WILL AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON THE POSSIBILITY OF A SENIOR CENTER MAY BE IN THAT RANT PIKE REVITALIZATION AREA THAT WOULD STILL AFFORD US THE, THAT PROPERTY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH, IF THAT COULD HAPPEN, IT'D BE SOMETHING CERTAINLY TO, UH, EXPLORE.

UH, I'LL TELL YOU OVER THE YEARS, AS I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AT THE SENIOR CENTER ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR WHAT MAYBE SOME ISSUES ARE IMPROVEMENTS OR SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I HEAR A WHOLE LOT ABOUT VANDALIA SENIOR CENTER, UM, WHICH TELLS ME WE HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO GROW THERE.

UM, BECAUSE I KNOW VANDALIA IS, FACILITIES ARE PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND BOY, OUR PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THEIR FACILITIES.

UM, SO YEAH, WE'VE GOT ROOM TO MOVE.

UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING BIG ON SOMETHING, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE ARE SEEING COMMUNITY OR SENIORS IN OUR COMMUNITY OR A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF I'M I'M, UH, I'M EITHER JOINING OR ABOUT TO JOIN OR I'M CLOSE TO ALL THAT I GET.

WELL, YEAH.

I'M SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK.

SO, UM, BUT YEAH, AND DEFINITELY,

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SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

NEXT UP IS A BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

IF WE DID SOMETHING ELSE THERE, I MEAN, I THINK HAVING MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, UH, YEAH, WE, WE CAN DO SOME THOUGH WITH THE FACILITIES CURRENTLY THERE, OR JUST HAVE HAVE, RIGHT.

IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S THERE.

WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M NOT STEREOTYPING, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A SHUFFLEBOARD OR, OR WHATEVER.

THERE COULD BE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS PUT IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING IF WE OPENED UP OR CAUSE WE LOOK, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UH, ANOTHER MUNICIPAL BUILDING.

I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A GROWING CITY, OUR FINANCES AND OUR BUDGET SHOWS THAT I THINK WHEN THE CENSUS COMES OUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIGGER NUMBERS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY IS GROWING AND, UM, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE MORE PEOPLE, MORE RESOURCES.

AND AS WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, MORE RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THIS BUILDING IS ALL DEDICATED TO WHAT CITY COUNCIL OPERATION DOES.

AND THEN ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES ARE PRETTY MUCH OVER ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING UP THE ELEVATOR.

AND, AND LOOK, LET'S BE HONEST IN SOME, IN SOME CRAMPED UP SPACES.

SO, UM, WE TALK ABOUT A MUNICIPAL BUILDING.

UH, THERE, IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS A COUNCIL CHAMBERS WITH THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND THEN ATTACH A SENIOR CENTER AS PART OF ALL THAT ONE GOVERNMENT COMPLEX.

AND THEN THAT OPENS UP ALL THIS SPACE FOR, UM, MORE EMPLOYEES, MORE ROOM, UH, TAX, OFFICE, WATER OFFICE, THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING RENT FOR IN OTHER LOCATIONS.

UH, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND OPTIONS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GO THERE WITH THAT.

AND UNLESS WHAT BRIAN SAID EARLIER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MUNICIPAL SPACE, IF WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A GOVERNANCE CENTER WHERE THERE IS A MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND THERE'S A SENIOR BUILDING AND THERE'S, UM, A LIBRARY THAT WILL DRAW BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES AREN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.

SO IF I'M A BUSINESS AND I WANT TO LOCATE IN THAT AREA, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE DRAW WHAT'S THERE.

WELL, THOSE PLACES AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE, THOSE PLACES AREN'T GOING TO BECOME RUNDOWN AND ABANDONED.

ANYTIME THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR ME, BUT MY BUSINESS, BECAUSE THAT DRAWS, IT'S GONNA DRAW PEOPLE.

SO I THINK THEY'RE THE, THE, THE CONVERSATIONS, THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT CAN GO THERE ARE LIMITLESS.

AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO START HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK THE RIGHT USE OF THAT, OF THAT PROPERTY IS.

UM, I'M ALL FOR THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.

[ Board and Commission Appointments * Military and Veterans Commission]

UH, WE RECENTLY HAD SOMEONE LEAVE THE COMMISSION, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE MOVING OUT OF THE CITY, UH, WHICH CREATED A VACANCY.

AND, UH, SO IN TALKING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION HAD TO COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT, UH, JOHN BANQUETS, WHO HAD WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION AND, UM, HAD SERVED A TERM AND THEN LEFT AFTER THE COMPLETION OF HIS TERM FROM THE, UH, COMMISSION WAS INTERESTED IN SERVING AGAIN.

AND, UM, THAT WAS A WHOLE HEARTED RECOMMENDATION TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

UH, HE DID APPLY AND WE, UH, UH, INTERVIEWED HIM WITH CITY STAFF.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE APPOINTMENT OF JOHN BACKWOODS TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION FOR A TERM ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF AN UPDATED BACKGROUND CHECK DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND THE COMPLETION OF THAT BACKGROUND CHECK, I WOULD ASK THAT A MOTION BE PLACED TO MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY.

THAT'S GREAT.

JUST FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW CHIEF, UH, WORKED TO GO TO SCHOOL.

I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, UH, WAS EXCITED WHEN HE APPLIED AS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS AND, UH, DON'T THINK WE COULD HAVE A BETTER RECOMMENDATION, UH, COMING FROM OUR COMMISSION AND PERSONALLY I'VE WORKED WITH HIM AND THINKING HE WOULD BE A FANTASTIC ADDITION ONCE AGAIN TO THAT COMMISSION.

SO I THINK ONCE HE RETIRED, HE DECIDED HE WOULD LIKE TO GET INVOLVED IN SOMETHING.

OH YEAH.

I MEAN HE, SO HE WORKED WITH OUR, HE WAS A COORDINATOR AT THE, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.

SO, UH, AND THAT'S A JOB.

LET ME TELL YOU, SO, UH, NOW THAT HE IS RETIRED, I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT FIT FORM.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM BACK ON THE COMMISSION PAY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, TO THE APPOINTMENT OF CHIEF BANQUETS.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE THAT ON TO, UH, ONTO THE MEETING AS WELL.