Jul 06, 2021 Council Work Session

IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS AN NATIONAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

AND NEXT UP

[ Dial Park Improvements]

SO SCOTT I'M SMARTER CONNECT TO THE SCREEN.

HERE WE GO.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS ABOUT PARKING.

UM, SO THIS PROJECT, UH, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS AND THEN, UH, WE HAD A TOWN HALL.

UM, I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS NOT AT IT'S ONE OF THOSE WORK SESSIONS AND THE TOWN HALL, BUT I HAVE BEEN GATHERING INFORMATION FROM THOSE AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH, UH, THOSE THAT WERE, UH, PRESENT AND ALSO, UM, WATCHED BACK THE VIDEO AND LOOKED OVER AT THINGS.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE MAYOR, UM, ABOUT WHAT I DID SEE THROUGH THOSE.

UH, SO THIS IS A PLAN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, FOR THE SITE.

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UM, SO THIS PLAN HAD A, UH, PARKING LOTS ADDED TO THE PLAN AND THEN MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU HAD THE DIFFERENT BIKE TRAILS AND THE PUMP TRACK.

UM, AND THEN THE, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKING COURSE THAT GOES THROUGH THE WOODED AREA.

UH, SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, DISCUSSION WITH, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, THROUGH THAT TOWN HALL, UM, THERE WAS TALK OF BUFFERING, UH, FROM THE PARKING LOT ITSELF AND ALSO FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THAT BACKUP TO THIS PARK ITSELF.

SO IT LOOKED INTO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UH, REVISE THE PARKING LOT, A LITTLE BIT, MOVE THAT BACK SO THAT YOU CAN PUT MORE BUFFERING, PUT, UH, MOUND AND TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES, AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD DO THE REST OF THE PARK ITSELF AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK, UH, TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.

UM, SO IN THAT, UH, LOOKED AT SOME COSTS AND COMBINATION OF, UH, UH, THE PARKING LOT ITSELF AND THE MOUNDING AND THE TREES AND STORMWATER DRAINAGE STRUCTURES, UH, BECAUSE THIS, UH, THE AREAS FROM THOSE HOUSES DOES FLOW ON TO THIS PROPERTY.

SO PUTTING UP THE MOUNTAIN HAS TO HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT STRUCTURES TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT, UM, ADDS ABOUT $300,000 TO THIS PROJECT, UH, OVERALL, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT A 45% INCREASE TO THE EXISTING PROJECT.

SO AFTER LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS AND LOOKING AT THE, UM, BASICALLY WHAT THAT DOES WOULD, UM, W AS I CALL KIND OF SQUISH THAT THE PROJECT PUSHES THINGS TOGETHER, UM, W UM, I, I SEE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO MOVE THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT, UM, THE LOOKING AT THE SITE ITSELF, DID YOU SEE WHERE THE WOODED AREA IS THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH TRYING NOT TO, UH, KNOCK DOWN ANY OF THE, UH, THE TREES TO DO MAJOR CLEARING FOR THIS PROJECT? SO, UM, WITH MOVING IN THE MOUNDS, UH, THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST, UH, 35 FEET AND THE PARKING LOT.

UM, I SAW THAT THIS WOULD, UH, BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE INTENT OF THE, THE, THE MAIN BICYCLE PORTION OF, UH, THOSE AREAS FOR THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND AND THE PUMP TRACK.

UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT IN THE PARKING, THE DRIVE TO A PARKING AREA THAT IS NEXT TO THE WOODED AREA TO INSTALL ALL OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS, UH, TO HAVE SOME TRAIL HEADS THAT MOVE OUT THROUGH THERE.

AND THEN STAFF WOULD LOOK FOR OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY TO MOVE THE MORE, THE OTHER BICYCLE PORTIONS, UM, OF THAT, UH, ORIGINAL PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT'S, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, UM, RATHER THAN TRYING TO JUST FIT AS MANY THINGS IN AS POSSIBLE, MAKE THIS THE BEST MOUNTAIN BIKING AREA, UM, TO HAVE THAT PARKING AREA AND ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, AND, UH, HAVE IT, UH, SPACED OUT THERE THAT, UH, W WOULD UTILIZE THIS PARK, I THINK, IN A BETTER WAY THAN JUST TRYING TO CRAM EVERYTHING IN.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU, SCOTT, AGAIN, DISCUSSION OR ANY THING FROM COUNCIL GLEN? YEAH.

FOR SOME, UH, COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH WITH SOME RESIDENTS OR SOME CERTAIN, SOME THINGS THAT POPPED OUT TO ME IS I THINK A VERY ACCEPTABLE CHANGES.

UM, ONE WAS WITH, IF WE WERE TO STAY WITH HAVING THE BICYCLE STUFF THERE, THIS IS MY ASSUMPTION ON, ON THESE, UM, GETTING RID OF A LOT OF THE NON-NATURAL COLORS WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FAKE TALL PYLONS AND THE HOOPS AND RINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF TO KEEP THAT NICE AND CLEAN.

UM, INSTEAD OF A MOUND, JUST ENSURING A PROPER BUFFER BECAUSE A LOT OF RESIDENTS LIKE THE VIEW, UM, THE MOUNTAIN WOULD KIND OF TAKE THAT AWAY.

UM, UH, WHAT ELSE WITH THE ORIGINAL MORE OF THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT THAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE A NICE BUFFER OF SOME KIND OF HEDGES OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE AT THE BEGINNING WHERE, WHERE THE ENTRANCE TO THAT, UM, TO KIND OF PUSH THAT VISUAL AWAY FROM THOSE ON, UH, LONGFORD.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE OTHER ONE THAT POPPED UP WAS, UM, UH, JUST SIMPLY THE PROMOTION OF A CITY KIND OF SAFE CYCLING CAMPAIGN, MAYBE TO DO IT WITHIN THE PARKS, SINCE IT'S A BICYCLE RELATED PARK.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THOSE OUT THERE.

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UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THRILLED I AM ABOUT REMOVING THE OTHER THINGS.

I MEAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THERE OTHER THAN A DRIVING, A PARKING SPACE PARKING LOT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT.

ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, MAYOR SCOTT, UM, HAVING SERVED ON THE PLANNING WITH YOU A LONG TIME, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS JUST SORT OF A CONCEPT OF THE PARKING OR YOU HAVE HERE.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT WOULD GO IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WERE TO GO IN, RIGHT.

WE WOULD HAVE A FINAL DESIGN THAT WOULD COME AFTER THIS, UM, THAT, UH, LOOKS AT THE EXACT LOCATION OF THAT, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE GENERAL IDEA.

THAT'S ALL.

MA'AM ANYONE FROM COUNCIL OR, I MEAN, THIS OTHER QUESTION IS, I GUESS.

OKAY, SO SCOTT, UH, WHAT ARE YOU ELIMINATING OVERALL? I DON'T PROPOSE ELIMINATING ANYTHING.

I T I S I RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE THOSE OTHER FEATURES AND FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT THEM RATHER THAN TRY TO SHRINK THEM TO FIT THEM ON THIS SITE.

UH, SO IT'S THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND, THE TRAILS AND THE PUMP TRACK, WHICH WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE AND THEN LOOK FOR A PLACE WHERE WE CAN TRULY, UH, MAKE SURE THAT, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THEM.

SO WHERE ARE THE FEATURES THAT ARE LEFT? OKAY.

WITHIN THE WOODS THEMSELVES WOULD BE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS.

SO, UM, EVERYTHING WOULD BE WITHIN THAT WOODED AREA, UH, MULTIPLE TRAILS THAT GO, UM, ALL THROUGH THAT AREA.

THANKS.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO IF THIS IS BUTTED UP TO THE PROPERTY OF CHAMBERSBURG, AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WETLANDS WITH US DISTURBING THIS TOPOGRAPH, RICKY, YOU DISTURBING THE WETLANDS WATER THAT GOES INTO IT, WE WOULD NOT BE DISTURBING ANY WETLANDS AREAS.

SO, SO THE PROPOSAL, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, PROPOSAL, THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS, OR THIS BEING MORE OF A TRAILHEAD SIMILAR TO WHAT MAMBA IS, I GUESS, OVER ON UNION ROAD.

SO THEY HAVE ACCESS OFF OF LONGFORD INTO AN AREA FOR PARKING.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE TRAILS THAT WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL ARE, THEY'RE ALL REMAINED IN THE, IN THE HOODS.

SO MAYBE SOME MORE COMMENTARY FROM COUNCIL.

ONCE WE HEAR SOME FROM SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE, UM, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO OR STARTS ON THAT DIALOGUE.

SO IS THERE, UM, FAMILY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK OR, OR BE HEARD REGARDING, UH, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THIS POINT? YES, SIR.

IF YOU'LL JUST TELL US YOUR NAME, UM, RICK FEAR.

UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A, I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE A LINE UP HERE AT THE PODIUM BECAUSE THIS WAS KIND OF A SHOCK TO SOME OF US, MAYBE GOOD, MAYBE BAD.

UM, I HAD SOME BASIC QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THIS, THE, UH, 2017 SURVEY THAT YOU DID, AND IT HAS BEEN PUT UP ON SCREEN SEVERAL TIMES.

UH, THAT WAS A CITYWIDE SURVEY.

CAN I ASK, DID WHEN THOSE RESPONSES WERE BROKEN DOWN AND EITHER PUT IN A SPREADSHEET OR DATABASE IN ORDER TO COMPILE THAT LIST, WAS THERE A BREAKDOWN BY WARD SO THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PUT UP A WORD ONE CHART AS TO WHAT PEOPLE IN WARD ONE WANTED? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

UM, I THINK IT WAS ALL THE SURVEY THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE KIND OF CAME IN AND DID THE STICKERS ON THE, ON THE BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT WAS THAT PART OF THAT PART OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN SURVEY.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS BROKEN DOWN BY WAR.

KNOW IT WAS ABOUT A 200 FOOT RADIUS ON ALL SIDES.

SO, SO FROM THAT SURVEY, THERE'S REALLY NO INDICATION AS TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS PARK IS MEANT FOR.

WHAT IS ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE DEVELOP THERE.

UM, MAY I ASK THE POSTCARDS THAT WERE MAILED OUT FOR THE TOWN HALL? CAN YOU TELL ME APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY HOMES IN THAT AREA, THOSE POSTCARDS WERE MAILED TO CAN'T NECESSARILY GIVE YOU A TRUE NUMBER, BUT I

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SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO.

SO LET'S SAY IF THIS WAS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, OR THIS WAS A, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME AND BUILD A GAS STATION THERE, THAT 200 FOOT RADIUS OF ALL SIDES OF THE PROPERTY IS, IS WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO WHEN IT COMES TO NOTIFICATION.

OKAY, UNDERSTOOD.

HOWEVER, IF THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PARK FOR WARD ONE, I WOULD THINK THAT THE TOWN HALL MEETING YOU WOULD HAVE HAD BETTER REPRESENTATION, POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL OPINIONS, BESIDES THOSE WHO LIVED IN A 200 FOOT RADIUS, WHICH MIGHT'VE ADDED SOMETHING TO THE DISCUSSION.

UM, IN SPEAKING WITH SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL, OTHER OF OUR NEIGHBORS JUST WANT TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT WHILE THERE WAS LITTLE OBJECTION TO THE STATUS QUO, WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING, THERE WAS MUCH OBJECTION TO THE PLAN AS PRESENTED, BUT I FOUND THAT THERE'S LESS OBJECTION TO DOING SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE PROPER SOMETHING IS WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO COME UP WITH.

AND I THINK THE PROPER SOMETHING IN MY OPINION, APPEALS TO MULTI-GENERATIONS.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THERE A LONG TIME AS YOU'VE RECOGNIZED AND ARE USED TO WHAT THEY SEE.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY NOT OBJECTED TO HAVING SOME DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT APPEALS TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, CHILDREN, PARENTS WITH TODDLERS AND STROLLERS TO ADULTS WHO MIGHT, WE HAVE A LOT OF DOG WALKERS AND A LOT OF GENERAL WALKERS.

AND I THINK IF THE TRAILS ASSOCIATED, ESPECIALLY LIKE SAY A PERIMETER TRAIL WHERE A, A PAVED WALKING TRAIL, IF YOU INCLUDED SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, DON'T CATER, DON'T THINK THAT YOU NEED TO CATER TO A SPECIFIC INTEREST GROUP THAT WEARS LETTERS ON THEIR SHIRTS AND THINKS THAT THAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR WARD ONE.

SO IF YOU GO AHEAD WITH RETHINKING THIS AND MAYBE A PLAN THAT'S MORE SUITABLE, I THINK YOU'LL FIND A LOT MORE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GET ON BOARD AND HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.

AND MAYBE YOU DON'T JUST REACH OUT TO THE PEOPLE AS, ALTHOUGH THEIR CONCERNS ARE LEGITIMATE.

ABSOLUTELY.

THE PEOPLE BORDERING AND TO THE, TO THE PARK, BUT GO AHEAD AND SURVEY THE WARD ONE, THE SECTION OF WARD, ONE BORDERED BY TROY AND TAYLORSVILLE DROP BACK A NOTCH AND SAY, OKAY, THIS PLAN WAS, WE MADE AN IMPRESSIVE PLAN.

WE MADE A DOABLE PLAN.

MAYBE YOU A LITTLE AGGRESSIVE ON THE BIKE RIDING SIDE IN TERMS OF THE EXPENSE OF IT, BUT MAYBE WE CAN DROP BACK, RETHINK IT AND FIND SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS THE VAST MAJORITY WILL BE HAPPY WITH.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

THANKS YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I THINK SO IN ALL OF US HERE, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE, BUT CERTAINLY ANYONE CAN SPEAK UP.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE OPPOSED TO, UM, SOME TYPE OF A COMPROMISE FROM A, FROM A PARK AREA.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, WARD ONE HAS LIMITED PARK SPACE.

SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, WALKING PATH GAZEBO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WITH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, AS YOU MENTIONED, STROLLERS, AND EVEN IN THE TOWN HALL, SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED AN ERA WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO WALK AND, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES COME AND, UH, PUSH KIDS AROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD JUST FROM A GENERAL PARK PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT.

AND I THINK WHAT THAT IS IS, AND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

UM, I THINK I KIND OF, IF I, IF I THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK KIND OF, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S DOWN IN WARD FIVE AT TWIN CREEKS, THE PARK THERE OFF OF LESS THAN, UH, THERE'S A PARK OFF A BELL PLAIN, MR. LYONS IS WARD THERE AND WARD SIX THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.

I KIND OF PICTURE THAT AS A, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AREA WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY CROWDED.

PEOPLE ARE USING A DIFFERENT

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TIMES.

MAYBE IT'S AN EXTENSION OF THEIR OWN HOME SPACE.

IF YOU HAVE A GRADUATION PARTY BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR SOMEBODY, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE AND WEATHER IS NICE, YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE PARK.

I MEAN, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY NEEDED IN WARD ONE.

UM, SO I THINK, I MEAN, I'M, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE, WHERE YOU SAY MANAGERS COMING FROM, UH, FROM A, I GUESS IF WE'RE GOING TO CLASSIFY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKS, YOU KNOW, CALLED PARK IS A DESTINATION PARK.

PEOPLE GO TO CLOUD PARK, THERE'S A SPLASH PAD.

THERE THERE'S SOCCER FIELDS.

THERE PEOPLE GO THERE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.

UM, AND I THINK A DESTINATION PARK AT THAT LOCATION, I THINK A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK FITS FITS BETTER.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO CREATING A NEIGHBORHOOD SPACE THERE IN THAT AREA.

I WOULD LOOK TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO SPEAK ON THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AHEAD SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU STATED.

UH, I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN WE WERE WORKING TO OBTAIN THAT PROPERTY, THE GOAL IN MY EYES WAS I SAW A COVERED AREA, UH, MAYBE A HALF BASKETBALL COURT, A COUPLE OF PIECES OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.

I JUST WANTED SOMETHING IN WARD, ONE IN THAT AREA.

CAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THE KIDS.

UM, THIS JUST KIND OF ROLLED THROUGH AND THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT SEARCHING AND WHATNOT WITH OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, THEY, YOU KNOW, SAID, HEY, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR A BICYCLE AMENITY, UM, WHICH I WAS OKAY WITH AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

I JUST WANTED SOMETHING TO BRING SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS IN THAT AREA.

UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO OTHER IDEAS.

I JUST REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS PARK COME TO FRUITION IN SOME WAY.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS NOT HAPPEN OR CAN, OR BE PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED UNTIL IT FEELS LIKE IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THAT AREA FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WE REALLY JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR OUR KIDS.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS AT HOME ANYMORE, BUT THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NOTHING FOR A KID IN THAT AREA TO RIDE TO OR WALK TO, TO GO AND PLAY.

SO THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN.

I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK ON ANOTHER IDEA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET A QUICK CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF DRAGGING FEET ON THIS PROPERTY.

THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS SINCE 2017.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK? CERTAINLY.

HEY, GOOD TO SEE IT.

UH, THE ONLY THING, I DON'T EVEN THINK THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY BACKYARD.

THIS PROJECT, BUT YOU KNOW, CHARLIE LEFT THAT PARK UP THERE 45 YEARS AGO AND HERE WE ARE NOW JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I SPENT A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES ON IT? THEY START THERE AT THE PARK ON LONGFORD AND GO DOWN ALL THE WAY BACK BEHIND DOW.

IS THAT NO, I THINK YOU GOT SO WELL.

SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THOSE KIND OF THE, THAT YELLOW BOUNDARY IS PRETTY MUCH SO I THINK THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THAT PARTICULAR SPACE IS ROUGHLY THERE'S ABOUT 18 OR 19 ACRES.

LEFT 45 YEARS AGO FOR A PARK, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND THEN THE GREEN SPACE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, THE OPEN SPACE, THAT'S ROUGHLY NINE AND A HALF.

I THINK WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LEGISLATION WHERE THE, WHERE WE ACCEPTED THE ACTUAL PARK SPACE OR THAT SPACE FROM THE SCHOOLS, I THINK I CALLED OUT 9.7, ABOUT 9.7 ACRES.

AND THEN THAT LEGISLATION, AND WE SPOKE MORE SPECIFICALLY THOUGH.

SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE NOSE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE PUT IN THAT PARK THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED GREEN SPACE PARK SPACE FOR PUBLIC USE THAT LAND AUTOMATICALLY THEN GETS REVERTED BACK TO THE SCHOOLS THAT'S IN THE DEED RESTRICTION.

SO THAT PROPERTY CAN ONLY BE USED.

IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN THE LEGISLATION WHEN WE TOOK POSSESSION OF THAT PROPERTY, OPEN GREEN SPACE PARK SPACE.

THAT IS THE, UM, THAT IS THE DEED RESTRICTION.

BUT IT'S WHAT THE OPEN SPACE IS ABOUT NINE AND A HALF.

THE TOTAL PARK AREA.

THEIR LAND IS ABOUT 18 ACRES.

W MOST OF US CAN'T READ THOSE MAPS.

HOW ABOUT YOU SPELLING OUT THE AREAS LIKE FAYE FROM SANDAL VIEW ON UP TO LONGFORD TO DOW OR WHAT? SO WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR STRETCH IS THERE ON LONGFORD.

I, AND I CAN'T SEE THE ADDRESSES, BUT I CAN LOOK ON THERE AND SEE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ABOUT SEVEN HOUSES DOWN THE LONGFORD FROM THE DIAL INTERSECTION ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

SO ABOUT SEVEN HOUSES DOWN ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEN THERE'S SEVEN MORE OR SIX, SIX MORE HOUSES FROM ON DIAL FROM THE LONGFORD INTERSECTION, THE OTHER DIRECTION.

SO IT SPANS ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN HOUSES DOWN, LONGFORD, SIX HOUSES DOWN DIAL.

SO IT BASICALLY BEHIND BASICALLY IS THE LAND BORDER THAT CHARLIE UBUR

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HE, HE, HE LEFT IT TO THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT.

AND THE SCHOOLS HAD PLANNED ON BUILDING SCHOOLS, BUT AS TIME MOVED FORWARD, AND THEN THE GRANTS CAME THROUGH AND THEY BUILT NEW SCHOOLS AND THAT NOTHING WAS BUILT THERE.

THEN THAT'S WHEN, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DONATED THAT PROPERTY TO I'D DONE IT.

WE PAID, WE PAID A DOLLAR FOR IT.

UM, BUT WE'RE VERY CLEAR IN THE DEED RESTRICTION THAT IT HAS A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

AND IF WE DIDN'T USE IT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE, THE LAND WENT BACK TO THE SCHOOL.

SO IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR SOME KIND OF A PARKING LOT THAT, UH, UH, THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, UH, VEHICLES WITH TRAILERS PARKED ALL OVER LONGFORD OR WHEREVER THAT'S.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING, SO WHEN WE HAD APPROPRIATED THE MONEY AND PASS THE LEGISLATION IN TERMS OF THE DOLLARS FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT, ONCE IT CAME UP AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE MOVED IT TO A SECOND READING.

WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT AT DIAL AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE THE QUESTION AROUND PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL NOTICE UNDERSTANDING THAT FOR RESIDENT FEEDBACK, CAUSE WE HADN'T HAD MUCH OF IT AT THAT POINT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LEGISLATION THAT CREATED THIS PARK WAS NOT PASSED THAT NIGHT.

IT WAS MOVED ON TO ANOTHER READING.

THAT'S KIND OF THE HISTORY BEHIND BUYING THIS AT OFFICIAL MEETINGS BECAUSE WE HAD TO ADDRESS THE PARKING BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PARKING IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

AND THEN WE HAD TO ADDRESS, WE KNEW WHAT THE CITIZEN COMMENT SAYS AND FEEDBACK WOULD BE.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL THAT WAS ADDRESSED BEFORE WE MOVED FORWARD WITH ANY FINALIZATION, UM, AT THE, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FOR THOSE OTHER AMENITIES.

AND WHEN WE HAD OUR TOWN HALL, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TRIED TO GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY ON WAS WHAT IS THE OPPOSITION IS THE OPPOSITION TO THE TRAILS BECAUSE THOSE ARE KIND OF HIDDEN.

SO IS IT TO THE TRAILS? IS THAT, OR IS IT THE OPPOSITION TO WHAT'S IN THE OPEN SPACE, IN THAT OPEN GREEN SPACE? OR IS IT OPPOSITION TO JUST THE WHOLE THING? AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM MOST PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT LIVE THERE THAT CAME TO SPEAK WAS THERE WASN'T ANY OPPOSITION TO THE TRAILS.

EVERYBODY KIND OF LOOKED THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS WAS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THOSE ARE WALKING TRAILS ALSO, BUT THE BIG OPPOSITION TO THAT WAS WHAT WAS IN THE GREEN SPACE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO ADDRESS.

AND THEN I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US HAVE BEEN BACK OUT TALKING TO SOME NEIGHBORS AND TRYING TO GET MORE FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON, WHAT THE REAL OPPOSITION IS, WHAT PEOPLE LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE.

AND I DO THINK THERE'S SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE HERE BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO GO IN THIS SPACE WHEN WE REALIZE AND RECOGNIZE THERE'S LIMITED PART SPACE IN WARD ONE.

SO I WANT TO PROVIDE THAT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING IN THAT LOCATION.

WELL, I THINK HE, FOR ALL AGES, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ROOM THERE FOR A BASKETBALL COURT THERE'S ROOM FOR, UH, UH, MAYBE TENNIS COURTS AND THERE MIGHT BE ROOM FOR TODDLER SWINGS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT WOULD PEEL.

SO IF IT'S FOR THE SCHOOLS, YOU GOT TO GO KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12TH GRADE, SO YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY.

AND THE THING IS, I THINK THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE A DECENT BUFFER FOR THOSE 13 HOMES THAT ARE INVOLVED.

THEY ARE TAXPAYERS HERE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND THEY DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED.

UH, SO 38 YEAR VETERAN AWARD ONE, I CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY MOST DEFINITELY ONE FINAL QUESTION.

AND I'LL GET OUT OF YOUR HAIR.

YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY FINE.

WHAT ABOUT THE SWAB LAND THAT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS.

WHAT DO YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, THE FARM, THE SWAB FARM, NOBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT ON CASTLE.

SO LAND WHERE WE OBTAINED THE PARTS OF THAT FOR A NEW, WELL, BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THE, UH, OH, THERE'S NOT AN AWFUL RIP.

WELL THAT'S, I MEAN, BECAUSE OUR WELLS ARE THERE FOR THE NEW ONE.

WHEN WE DID ALL THE, WE REDID ALL THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WATER SOFTENING SYSTEM, WE PUT NEW WELLS DOWN THERE.

SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY.

NOTHING ELSE CAN BE DONE THERE BECAUSE OF IT BECAUSE OF THE WELLS AND THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BASKETBALL COURT WENT UP WITH THAT.

THERE WAS LIKE 300 ACRES THERE WHAT'S UH, W HOW MUCH OF IT DID YOU TAKE? WELL, WE, WELL, WE PURCHASED IT, SO WE ARE JUST THE OLD 300.

NO, WE, IN FACT, WE TRIED TO, UM, WE TRIED TO, WE NEGOTIATED WITH THEM WITH THAT, WITH THAT, ON OUR, TRYING TO GET A MOVE TO THAT PROPERTY, BUT WE BASICALLY BOUGHT WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THE, FOR THE EXISTING WELLS.

UNLESS IT FELL THROUGH BECAUSE THEY WERE BACK THERE MAJORING.

SO, YES, WE, YEAH, WE PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY WHERE THE WILLS ARE, SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO BUY THAT LAST YEAR,

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I THINK THAT, I MEAN, THAT I, THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT MR. WEBB, THANK YOU.

MA'AM UH, SCOTT, IF YOU COULD, CAN YOU PUT UP, DO YOU HAVE THE AERIAL THAT INCLUDES, UH, DONALD PARK SECTION TWO DOWN THERE, THE, THE ENTIRE OVERLAY? THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IN FAIRNESS, THE PICTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS JUST THE OPEN AREA AND A PORTION OF TILE PARK.

IF YOU NOTICE, IT'S JUST THAT CORNER DIAL PARK GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINES, ALONG THAT WILD VIEW.

YUP.

WELL, THANK YOU.

AND THEN GOES DOWN, UH, FURTHER TO THE WEST AND SCOTT I'LL DRAG IT OVER THERE.

I'M SURE.

UM, YEAH.

AND THERE'S A GAP HERE AND WE ALSO OWN THIS OVER HERE, BUT SO THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ISN'T JUST THAT FIRST SECTION YOU SAW UP ON THE FIRST SLIDE, UM, DIAL PARK, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS EXTENDS DOWN THROUGH ALL OF THAT WOODED AREA THAT WE CALL DIAL PARK, AND HOPEFULLY WITH A CONNECTOR THAT GOES TO THE OTHER SECTION OF DOLL PARK, WHICH IS AT THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY THERE.

SO THANK YOU.

MA'AM SO WHERE DOES IT ACTUALLY END WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING YOU'RE SHOWING US A MAP, LIKE I SAID, I'M SURE THE LADIES HERE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THOSE MATTERS.

DO YOU LADIES? I DON'T THINK SO.

I UNDERSTAND THEM.

SO I'M SURE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM.

SO YEAH, W WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE.

THERE IS, YES.

THE PARK STOPS THAT PROPERTY STOPS AT WILD VIEW AND RUNS ALL THE, BASICALLY ALL THE WAY DOWN AND DIAL TO WHERE WILD G'S AT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THAT'S KIND OF YOUR BOUNDARY ON THAT SIDE.

SO, SO IT DOESN'T RUN INTO ANY PARTS OF, OF THE, THE OLD SWAB PROPERTY AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.

NO, THAT, NO, THAT PARCELS WAY OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE BALANCE THAT YOU DIDN'T.

NO.

NO, WE HAVEN'T.

WE DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY BY ANY CHANCE.

WHO DO WE, WHO DO I KNOW? DO WE OFTEN WHO WE BOUGHT IT FROM THE SCHWAB FAMILY? YEAH.

SO WE PURCHASED ENOUGH PROPERTY NEEDED TO PUT OUR WELLS FOR A NEW PIVOT.

HOW LONG AGO DID YOU PURCHASE IT FROM THE SWAB FAMILY? 10 YEARS AGO OR THREE.

SO THEY STILL, THEY STILL OWN IT? I WOULD ASSUME I WOULD ASSUME SO.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, JENNIFER.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE THAT CAME OUT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WHEN SHAW OTTO, MAYOR GORE, MR. WEBB, WHEN YOU ALL CAME OUT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF US, UH, I THINK THAT REALLY HELPED EVERYONE BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS TRYING TO GO INTO THIS PARK, WHY WE WERE TRYING TO DO WHAT WE WERE DOING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I THINK, UH, AND WITH YOU, MR. MOORE WAS THAT EVERYONE WAS THE GREEN SPACE.

THAT WAS THE BIGGEST PIECE THAT EVERYONE HAD CONCERNS WITH.

WE ARE EVERYONE LOVED THE FACT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE ALL THE TRAILS IN THE BACK.

I LIKED THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CONNECT IT TO THE MIAMI TRAIL SYSTEM, WHATEVER THAT ONE IS.

WHICH I THINK IN THAT AREA WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

UM, BECAUSE THAT OPENS UP MORE POSSIBILITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE ONE AND ALL THAT.

UM, AND I, AND, AND TALKING WITH MY NEIGHBORS AS WELL IS WE WANT SOMETHING THERE, JUST NOT NECESSARILY THAT MOUNTAIN BIKE.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT.

MULTI-GENERATIONAL SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN, UM, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT THERE'S ABOUT 39,000 RESIDENTS WHEN, WHEN THAT WAS TAKEN, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THE SURVEY.

AND THEN THE GOAL WAS, IS TO GET 375 RESPONDENTS.

WE GOT THREE 80, THAT WAS ONLY 1% OF THE POPULATION.

AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THE MOUNTAIN BIKE PART BASED ON THE RANKINGS WAS 1% OF THAT 385.

SO IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF ONE, THE WHOLE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL GROUP, RIGHT.

AND THEN OF WHAT WAS SELECTED AND THE TOP ITEMS ON THAT MASTER PLAN WORK, THE BIKE TRAILS, THE HIKING TRAILS, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.

UM, AND I FORGOT THE OTHER ONES WHEN THOSE WERE LIKE 50, 60% AND THEN THEY COULD DROP TO 20.

SO I THINK THAT HELPS, COULD HELP WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. OTTO OF WHAT COULD WE PUT THERE IS LOOK AT THAT, LIKE, THAT'S, WHAT WAS SPECIFICALLY SAID IS LIKE THE TOP THREE ITEMS,

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I'M STILL RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS MORE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PARK VERSUS LIKE A DESTINATION PARK AND JUST BEING RESPECTFUL OF THOSE OF US THAT ARE GOING TO BORDER THAT PROPERTY OF, YOU KNOW, NOT RIGHT AT THE POVERTY LINE, HAVING THAT BUFFER AND EVERYTHING.

AND ALSO JUST WANTING TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF US ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

CAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT NORMALLY SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO, SO APPRECIATE THAT.

AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION AND CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

I DO WANT TO COMMENT TO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU WERE MENTIONED ON THE SURVEYS.

UM, THOSE ARE SMALL.

THEY'RE NOT LARGE PERCENTAGES, BUT TO BE HONEST, THAT'S A LARGE NUMBER FOR INPUT IN THIS CITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT.

UH, QUITE HONESTLY, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY TYPICAL.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SMALL GROUPS COME OUT FOR DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDING ON THEIR INTERESTS.

UM, THIS, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S 7,000 PEOPLE ALMOST IN WARD ONE AND WE DON'T, WE'VE NOT SEEN A FRACTION OF A PERCENTAGE OF THEM ON THIS SUBJECT.

SO IT'S VERY TYPICAL FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'VE GOT TO DRAW WHAT INFORMATION WE CAN TO TRY TO PULL THAT TOGETHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND I LOOKED AT IT KIND OF CAUSE ON THEIR WEBSITE FOR THE METRO PARKS, IT TELLS YOU KIND OF WHAT PEAK TIMES PEAK HOURS WHEN THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE THERE.

AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, CERTAINLY EVERYONE IN WARD, ONE IN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE PROBABLY HAS AN OPINION ABOUT THIS.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHERE THERE WERE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY COMMENTING AND BEING IN SUPPORTIVE ALL OVER THE CITY, BUT THEY WEREN'T, THEY DIDN'T LIVE RIGHT THERE.

SO I THINK WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT 200 FOOT AREA, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GAUGE WHAT THE SENTIMENT IS AMONGST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED THE MOST.

SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE PURPOSE FOR THAT FOR THE 200 FEET.

SO, AND CLEARLY IN THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL OR THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THOSE 13 HOMES, RIGHT ALONG THE LONG FOR DENIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY THE MOST.

SO, UH, SO THEIR INPUT IS OBVIOUSLY IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE IMPACTED.

UM, BUT I'M, EVERYBODY HAS LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS I THINK.

AND I STILL THINK THE, THE CITY AS A WHOLE SUPPORTS BIKING AND CYCLING AND ALL THOSE THINGS, UM, I THINK JUST AFTER THIS, AFTER THE PROCESS, WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS JUST IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT SUPPORT FOR DOING THAT.

UH, SO DOES ANYBODY, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY OR, OR SPEAK OF IN REGARD TO THE MATTER, HOW ARE YOU SIR? MY, UH, FOUND OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE AND, UH, I GOT UP HERE, I FINISHED A TWO HOUR WORKOUT IN AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES, SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, BUT, UH, UM, I UNDERSTAND, I GOT TO TALK TO A FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS AFTERWARDS.

UM, AND I ACTUALLY, IT WAS ON A WALK AND ANOTHER ONE STOPPED ME AND WANTED TO TALK TO ME.

SO THAT WAS GREAT.

UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BACKWARDS PLANNING THAT WENT INTO THE FIRST, UH, PLAN THAT I SAW WITH HOW THEY WERE GOING TO EXECUTE IT AND WHAT THE END RESULT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND THAT WAS GREAT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY NOBODY REALLY WANTS THAT BIG STRUCTURE, PARKING LOT, WHERE EVERYBODY CAN BE THERE, UM, IN THE OPEN FIELD WHERE IT'S VISIBLE, IF THAT'S THE CASE AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, WE GO MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF JUST DOING TRAILS IN THE WOODS.

I THINK, UH, HAVING IT MORE DESIGNATED TOWARDS JUST MOUNTAIN BIKING PERIOD, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF WALKING SPACE, EVERYWHERE ELSE WE GOT MULTI-USE EVERYTHING, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY GARNER MORE SUPPORT FOR THE PARK GROWING AND THEN FUTURE STATE, WE MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE MORE SUPPORT FOR THAT FIELD BECOMING, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT TURNING INTO CURRENTLY, UM, AS WELL AS THE PARKING AND BEING THERE.

IF WE PUT THE PARKING THERE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE BIKING TRAIL, THEN THAT WILL CREATE MORE TRAFFIC.

SO MY WHOLE IDEA FOR THE PARK IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE ORIGINAL STATE WHERE THERE WAS NO PARKING, BUT STILL AVAILABILITY IS THERE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT TRAIL BEING THERE AND ALL THE KIDS RIDING THE TRAIL AND GET INTO THE PARK THAT WAY, INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY COMING AND PARKING AND THEY'RE RIDING THEIR BIKES AROUND.

UH, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT ON IT.

AND I'M WONDERING IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WILL THAT BE A THOUGHT PROCESS? CAN WE THINK ABOUT THE BACKWARDS PLANNING AS FAR AS WHERE THE FUTURE STATE OF THIS PARK WILL BE? SURE.

SO, SO I, I CAN SPEAK FOR ME PERSONALLY THIS TIME.

UM, I WENT ON SATURDAY LAST SATURDAY, NOT THIS PAST SUMMER, BUT THE SATURDAY BEFORE, UH, WENT UP TO THE, UM, THE MOM, THE TRAIL HEAD, WHICH IS THERE OFF UNION ROAD IN BATH TOWNSHIP.

SO THAT'S THE METRO PARKS MOUNTAIN BIKING AREA AND WHAT THEY HAVE, THERE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO SOMETHING TO KIND OF, I THINK WHAT SCOTT IS SHOWING IN THIS MAP, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LANE OFF OF UNION ROAD THAT KIND OF GOES CURVES BACK AROUND.

AND IT'S BASICALLY, I MEAN, IT KIND OF BLENDS IN, IT'S NOT AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR CONCRETE, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE CALL CHIPS AND DUST KIND OF A GRANT.

SO GRAVEL TYPE PARKING LOT.

SO YOU PULL IN.

AND SO I WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE

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AND IT KIND OF RUNS IT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY TO SUNDAY.

SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE VISIT THAT PARK.

UH, AND WHEN MOST OF THEM ARE THERE.

SO I WAS THERE AT PEAK TIME.

SO I WAS THERE BETWEEN NOON AND ONE O'CLOCK ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND CORE TO THE WEBSITE.

THAT'S WHAT THEIR PEAK TIME WAS.

SO WHILE I WAS THERE, THERE, SO THERE ARE THREE HANDICAP PAVED SPACES AND THE REST OF IT AGAIN IS ALL KIND OF THE GRAVEL WITH THE PARKING BLOCKS IN FRONT OF IT.

THERE'S ABOUT SPACE FOR 20, ABOUT 20 CARS PLUS THE THREE, UM, THREE HANDICAP.

SO WHEN I WAS THERE ON SATURDAY, I MEAN THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING LOT WAS FULL.

AND AS I KIND OF JUST KIND OF STAYED BACK AND JUST OBSERVED FOR AWHILE, YOU KNOW, CARS WOULD, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES WOULD COME BACK OUT OF THE TRAIL AND LOAD UP THEIR BIKES AND OUR BIKE RACK GET IN THE CAR AND THEY'D LEAVE.

AND THEN A COUPLE MORE CARS WOULD COME IN.

SO THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD, I MEAN THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD CONSTANT FLOW OF PEOPLE.

THEN 20 SPACES IS WHAT WAS THERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY PARKING ON THE LANE OR PARKING ON THE STREET THAT THOSE 20 SPACES WERE, UM, WERE ENOUGH FOR THAT TRAILHEAD.

AND THAT'S A PRETTY ESTABLISHED MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL HEAD THERE.

I THINK IF WE, IF WE DESIGNATE THIS AND WE TURN THIS INTO, AND IT IS A, A MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL SYSTEM, THAT'S QUALITY PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO USE IT.

SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IN TERMS OF THE COST OF WHAT THE TRAILS WERE AS OPPOSED TO THE PUMP TRACK AND THE BIKE? WAS IT 150 OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE? OKAY.

SO, SO IT'S STILL A MINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, HE'S NOT MONEY COMPARED TO EVERYTHING, BUT, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST MONEY INTO THIS SPACE TO MAKE IT A GOOD USABLE SPACE, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO WANT TO USE IT.

I, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO INVEST MONEY INTO A, INTO A SPECIFIC AREA OR A PARK THAT I WASN'T EXPECTING PEOPLE TO USE, OR I WAS GOING TO TRY TO DOWNPLAY THAT NOT A WHOLE LOT, HOPEFULLY NOT A LOT PEOPLE COMP THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING RECREATIONAL SPACE.

SO I THINK THE, THE IDEA OF THE TRAILS I THINK IS, IS A GOOD IDEA AND TURN THAT INTO A GOOD SYSTEM.

AND THEN THERE'S, AGAIN, FUTURE POSSIBILITY WITH OTHER PROPERTY AND CONNECTING TO CHAMBERSBURG AND DOWN TO THE, TO THE LARGER TRAIL.

I THINK IT CAN BE A GREAT AMENITY AND MY SUPPORT, THE TRAILS.

AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE WHO, WHO SAW THAT PRESENTATION AND TALKED ABOUT THE TRAILS AT THE TOWN HALL, WE'RE ALL KIND OF OKAY WITH THE MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL SYSTEM, BUT THEY, BUT THAT DOES INCLUDE, AND I THINK I'D HEARD PEOPLE FROM, UM, THE MV MBA THAT WAS HERE THAT NIGHT.

THERE'S SOME PRETTY GOOD RULES THAT ALIGNED AND PEOPLE THAT BIKE ARE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE.

SO THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO WALK AND PEOPLE THAT BIKE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WALK VERSUS BIKE, THEY GO IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS.

AND THE BIKERS ALWAYS GIVE, UH, RIGHT AWAY TO PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING THOSE TRAILS AS SOMEONE WHO USED TO RIDE THOSE TRAILS MOONS AGO.

UM, I W I WOULD HAVE LOVED THERE TO HAVE BEEN A MORE DEFINED PATH TO GO BACK THERE THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH AND CUTTING THROUGH AND GETTING SLAPPED IN THE FACE OF THE BRANCHES AND ALL THAT AS YOU'RE RIDING AROUND THROUGH THERE.

SO I WOULD HAVE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AND LOVED THERE TO HAVE BEEN AN ACTUAL TRAIL SYSTEM DOWN THERE.

UM, WE HAD OUR OWN, BUT I WOULD HAVE LOVED FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN SOMETHING SOMETHING BETTER THAN, THAN WHAT WE DID.

SO I THINK, I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR PARKING.

IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST THE MONEY TO CREATE A SPACE THEY'RE WORTHY OF WHAT, WHAT I THINK OUR IDEA AND INTENT IS.

I THINK A MINIMUM OF 20 SPACES PROBABLY HAS TO BE IN THERE FROM GOING TO LOOK AT A PEAK TIME ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON TO WHAT I SAW COMING IN AND OUT OF, OUT OF THE MAMA TRAIL HEAD.

UH, IN THAT CASE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE LOOK LIKE BETWEEN THE CONNECTION TO RIP RAP AND THE SPARK BEAM DEVELOP? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT ALL DEPENDS ON OUR ABILITY TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER OR ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES THERE, UM, BECAUSE NOTHING IS GUARANTEED ON THAT BACKSIDE, DEFINITELY MOVING FORWARD.

WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PARK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE TRAIL RIDE TO RIP RAP.

BECAUSE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S AN ART THAT THAT'S NOT ON OUR TIMELINE BECAUSE THAT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPER COMING IN THERE IN THAT PROPERTY AND THEN GIVING US THESE ACCESS TO EASEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY OR DONATING PROPERTY TO, TO MAKE THOSE.

AND THAT WILL HELP OUT WITH THE PARKING PROBLEM AS WELL AS THE PARK GROWS.

SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT IN THE LONG RUN.

UM, I KINDA, I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS PARK MOVE FORWARD.

I REALLY WANT TO SEE THE END PRODUCT THE WAY IT WAS FIRST DESCRIBED.

HOWEVER, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND IS SURROUNDING THE PARK, ISN'T IN SUPPORT OF IT.

SO IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A TRAIL SYSTEM, I LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

AND IT'S GOT MY FULL SUPPORT.

I'D LOVE TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP OUT.

THAT THE OVERALL GOAL HERE CERTAINLY IS IT WAS MR. MCCASKEY SAID IS NOT TO ELIMINATE ANY OF THE AMENITIES.

AND I THINK

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE APPROPRIATED THE FUNDS, WE'VE PASSED THE LEGISLATION, ALL THOSE TOGETHER IN TERMS OF THE MONEY FOR BOTH, FOR BOTH PARKS THAT WE WERE DOING.

UM, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF LOCATION.

SO I THINK ONE STAFF HAS A RECOMMENDATION ON, ON WHERE TO WHERE, WHERE TO, OR WHATEVER THEIR OPTION IS, OR THEIR PLAN FOR BUILDING ALL THE AMENITIES.

I THINK WE ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS, AS QUICKLY, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO FINDING WHAT THEN DOES MAKE SENSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, IF THAT'S THE KIND OF THE DECISION.

AND AS WE COME TO THAT DECISION TOGETHER, US AND THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVED THERE, THEN CERTAINLY I THINK WE WOULD ALL SUPPORT THAT.

NOW THERE ARE SOME FEATURES BACK THERE THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR MORE ADVANCED, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKERS.

UM, I THINK THOSE AREAS CAN BE SHOWN AND THEN THERE COULD BE ONE DESIGNATED TRAIL FOR THOSE, UH, FEATURES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING THERE WHEN WE GOT RIDERS DOING SOME MORE INTENSE STUFF.

SO FUNNY STORY.

I, I, I AGREE.

I'VE BEEN SKIING ONCE AND I ENDED UP ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BLACK HALE, WHICH IS THE MOST ADVANCED COURSES IN SKIING.

AND I STARTED OFF ON THE BUNNY SLOPE AND SOMEHOW I GOT MIXED UP AND THAT DID NOT END WELL.

AND THAT'S THE REASON I'VE ONLY BEEN SKIING ONCE.

SO I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY ABOUT HAVING, UH, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME MORE ADVANCED TRAILS AND THERE ARE SOME MORE BEGINNER TRAILS.

AND I THINK THOSE CAN CLEARLY BE MARKED WITHIN THE ACTUAL BOUNDARIES OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

AND I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

GREAT.

UM, I JUST LIKE TO SAY, IF ANY OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS PARK AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOU, UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS BEFORE AND I'M MORE WILLING TO TALK.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

I GUESS I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP FROM HERE.

I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF DETERMINED THAT THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS HAS BEEN BUILT IN OR ISN'T SUITED FOR WHAT YOU WANT AND YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE KIND OF CRAMMING EVERYTHING INTO ONE AREA.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO THIS, ISN'T THE KIND OF PARK THEY WANT IN THEIR AREA TO PUT A PLAYGROUND IN WALKING PATHS, UM, EXERCISE, WHATEVER, BUT NOT YOU'VE GEARED A TOOL TO BE A PARK.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA.

MULTI-GENERATION EVERYBODY CAN USE IT.

YOU'VE GOT THE BENCHES.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A WALK, YOU CAN WALK YOUR DOG.

YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SEAT, ENJOY THE NATURE.

SO WHAT IS OUR NEXT FOOT, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? DO WE SEE WHAT OTHER, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THERE ARE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO WORK FOR AND TOGETHER? SURE.

SO THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK, UM, SO THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE SAYING, THIS, THIS PRESENTATION, THE SOLUTION THAT, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UM, IS, IS NEW TO US.

SO, SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THEM AS WE COME TO THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION.

THERE'LL BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT HAPPENS AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE HERE IS THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRAILS AND MOVE ON THOSE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THAT FUNDING IS THERE THAT MONEY'S BEEN APPROPRIATED.

WE COULD, WE COULD START THAT.

AND, UM, SO THAT'S AN OPTION AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR, UH, COUNCIL COULD DECIDE, WELL, LET'S, LET'S HOLD OFF AND LET'S SEE WHAT THE OTHER, UM, WHAT THE OTHER PLAN IS THAT THAT STAFF COMES UP WITH WE'RE THE, FOR THE PUMP TRACK AND THE, AND THE BIKE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.

AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPTION THAT, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT COUNCIL DO.

CAUSE I THINK, I THINK THE TRAILS ARE GOOD IDEA.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY FROM THE AREA SAY THEY'RE COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THE TRAILS.

SO IF THIS MAY BE AN OKAY OPTION TO PUT BACK THERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE LAND GO UNUSED, IT'S NOT BEEN USED FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT AN APPROPRIATE TYPE PARK FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW? AND LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE, IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY A PEACEFUL, QUIET COMMUNITY.

AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF A PARK, YOUR IDEA ABOUT A GAZEBO.

AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR PEOPLE COULD HAVE COMMUNITY PARTY, WHATEVER WOULD BE VERY NICE IN THAT AREA.

SO I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD ADD THE, SO IF WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE DECISION WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRAILS, THEN WE WOULD PUT

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ON ANOTHER WORK SESSION, AGENDA ITEM, JUST LIKE FOR A MEETING TONIGHT, DOLL PARK IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN.

AND THAT WOULD JUST BE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD COME.

AND WE WOULD DISCUSS THAT.

WE WOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT AMENITIES OR ITEMS WE COULD PUT IN THAT PARK SPACE, COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE RESIDENTS AND COUNCIL, IF YOU LIVE THERE, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

AND THEN WE WOULD JUST MOVE THAT, MOVE THAT THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, JUST KIND OF THE SAME WAY WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT WOULD, SO THE OTHER PIECES OF THE PARK, BECAUSE THAT'S NOW SOMETHING NEW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO.

OH YEAH.

RIGHT NOW LET'S PUT THIS AT RIGHT.

SO LOTS OF DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

DRAW UP NEW BLUEPRINTS.

WHAT YOU, YES.

AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YOU WOULD LOOK AT AN AGENDA FOR A FUTURE WORK SESSION IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND SEE DONALD PARK IMPROVEMENTS ON THE AGENDA AGAIN.

AND WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT COULD GO IN THERE AND WE WOULD HAVE OPEN COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AGAIN, AND HOPE AGAIN, HOPEFULLY LOTS OF RESIDENTS SHOW UP AND PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AND INPUT ABOUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

THANKS FOR WORKING WITH US.

THANKS FOR LISTENING TO US.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

OH, ONE SECOND.

GLENN, I'M JUST GOING TO RESPECTFULLY ASK EVERYONE TO, EXCUSE ME.

I HAVE, I HAVE TO LEAVE.

UM, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I HAVE TO GO EVERYTHING.

WE DIDN'T GET HER NAME.

OH YEAH.

REAL QUICK.

JUST SO FOR THE RECORD MA'AM WOULD YOU JUST, WOULD YOU, UH, WE NEED YOUR NAME JUST SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD.

MA'AM SHEILA DUNCAN AND I LIVE CLOSER DOWN TOWARDS ANGELINA.

SO THE TRAILS OF THE BIKES, HOW FAR DOWN THE HILL WOULD THEY BE GOING? BECAUSE ON THE FIRST, UM, MAP WE SAW, THEY WERE GOING TO GO DOWN BEHIND TIMBER VIEW.

YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A PARKING PAD ON SAND, OVER YOU AND ON WILD VIEW.

THE, SO THE ONLY REAL TRAIL DESIGN THINGS THAT I SAW WAS WHAT IT'S NOT UP ON TOP.

YOU GUYS WERE GOING DOWN THE HILL.

WELL, IT WAS, IT, IT ENCOMPASSED ALL OF IT.

IT WAS FROM THE GREEN SPACE UP THERE IN THE CORNER WHERE WE'RE LONGFORD KIND OF CURVES AROUND.

AND I BELIEVE IT WENT DOWN AND ENCOMPASSED ALL THAT.

BUT, BUT JUST TO SAY, I MEAN, LOOKING AT, UH, A MAP WITH SQUIGGLY LINES, I MEAN, ISN'T W WHERE THOSE TRAILS ARE GOING TO BE, IT'S JUST TO DESIGNATE WHERE THEY WOULD BE.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW THAT HAD THAT WAS THE MAP THAT THE MV MBA ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, DO WE, DO WE HA I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THAT OR ANYTHING TO NOTE? COULD YOU PULL IT UP REAL QUICK? THAT SHOWS YEAH.

IF, IF, IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE JUST GOT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GET TO SCOTT REAL QUICK.

CAUSE I THINK SO THEY PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE THE MOUNTAIN, MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATIONS WHO WAS KIND OF WORKING WITH JOSH AND OUR PARKS REC TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF THAT TRAIL SYSTEM.

AND, AND I BELIEVE MATT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S, IT IS KIND OF SMALL SCALE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT TOOK UP THE ENTIRE GREENSPACE AREA ALL THE WAY OR NOT GREEN, BUT THE TREES ALL THE WAY TO WILD VIEW OR IF IT WAS JUST KIND OF IS THAT TIMBER, IS THAT TIMBER TIMBER? WELL, YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A PARKING LOT.

W WHAT'S THE ONE HERE THAT, THAT COMES IN.

SO WE'RE AT T OR WAS IT THAT THE TRAILS STOPPED WHERE IF YOU WOULD TAKE TIMBER VIEW ALL THE WAY ACROSS, WAS THAT JUST WHERE THE TRAILS WERE AT OR DID IT ENCOMPASS THE WHOLE THING? PARKING IS, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT THERE.

CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT WAS JUST DESIGNATED BY THE SQUIGGLY LINES AND THEN THEY WERE MULTICOLORED TO SHOW DIFFERENT LEVELS, BUT YOU ARE PUTTING THE PARKING PADS AND DRIVEWAYS AT THE END OF SAND, A VIEW AND WILD VIEW.

AND THAT WAS TO ALLOW THEM TO COME IN THERE AND CONNECT ON TO THE, UH, TO THE TRAILS.

WELL, I, I THINK TH I THINK NOW THE ONLY OPTION TO ENTER THE TRAILS WOULD BE FROM WHERE THE PARKING AREA IS IN THE GREEN SPACE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD ENTER.

AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD COME OUT.

SO YOU AREN'T GOING DOWN THE HILL DOWN TO A TIMBER VIEW.

I THINK IT WOULD, IT WAS JUST WHERE THE PARKING IS IN THE GREEN SPACE TO ALLOW ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, YEAH, THERE ARE TRAILS ALL DOWN THERE, BUT THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT AND IT'S THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT IS, IS THE SAME PLACE.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE OTHER PARKING PLACES AT THE END OF SAND, HAVE YOU? NO, NO.

THE GOAL IS NOT TO BE BRINGING PEOPLE IN AND OTHER DIRECTIONS.

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IF THAT'S TRADITIONALLY WHAT SCOTT HAD BROUGHT UP FOR US, HE WAS SHOWING THAT WE COULD HAVE PARKING AT SANDAL VIEW WHERE THAT, UM, IT'S A DEAD IN THERE AND WE COULD HAVE SOME PARKING HERE.

SO BY UTILIZING THOSE AREAS, WE MIGHT NOT NEED AN, AND A STRETCH ALONG LONGFORD UP NEAR THE CLARE PARK.

WE COULD, COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY ENOUGH PARKING TO HANDLE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAFFIC AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

BUT THE PREFERENCE WAS THAT WE HAVE A PARKING AREA.

AND SO NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THESE SATELLITE PARKING AREAS AT SANDAL VIEW AND AT TIMBER VIEW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT WAS JUST A FIRST DRAFT THAT CAME THROUGH THAT SHOWED THOSE PARKING AREAS, LOCATED THEIR OFFICE SANDAL VIEW, THINGS LIKE THAT, A LATER DRAFT INCORPORATE THE PARKING AREA UP AT DIAL AND LONGFORD.

SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.

UM, I WENT AROUND TO SOME NEIGHBORS, UM, AND SAND OF VIEW AND STONY VIEW TIMBER VIEW.

AND THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF THESE TRAILS.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BACK UP TO THEM, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE 74 PEOPLE RIGHT HERE THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR BACKYARD, THE KIDS COMING DOWN.

I MEAN, I, AND I HEAR THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S GOTTA BE A COMPROMISE WAS SOMETHING THERE AND THOSE TRAILS, I MEAN, THEY ALREADY EXIST AND SOME PEOPLE ARE USING THEM.

WE'RE OKAY WITH THE HIKING AND FOR THE FAMILIES, BUT NOT THE MOUNTAIN BIKES.

WHAT IS THE OBJECTION TO THE MOUNTAIN BIKES? WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BEHIND MY HOUSE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME AN INN AND WE ALL BACK UP TO THE WOODS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE ALL OF THIS, EVEN DOWN THE HILL FOR SANDOW VIEW AND STONY VIEW, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BIKES AND THE KIDS.

DID YOU SEE THE TRAILS NOW? OH YEAH.

I MEAN THE, THE, THE TRAILS SHOULD ALL BE HIDDEN WITHIN, WITHIN THE WOODS THEMSELVES.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OUTER TRACK GOING AROUND AND GOING INTO THEM, JUST ONE ENTRANCE, ONE EXIT, AND THAT'S FREE.

AND THE GREEN SPACE UP AT THE OPEN SPACE THERE THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

SO THE INITIAL PARKING CHANGE THAT MR. MCCALSKY SHOWED THE LANE WITH SOME PARKING, THE TRAIL HEAD, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE.

THEY WOULD ENTER THERE, THEY WOULD RIDE THE TRAILS IN THE WOODS AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK OUT THERE AND THEY WOULD LEAVE THE SAME WAY THEY CAME IN.

AND THEY'RE IN THEIR CAR THROUGH THE LANE IN THE GREEN.

SO NO PARKING PADS.

NO.

YUP.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THERE, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE 2020 SPACES THERE.

THAT WAS, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE TRAIL HEAD AT THE, THE MAMBA SITE HAD.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO PLAN AND PREPARE FOR PEAK TIMES BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S THERE'S ROOM TO PARK INSIDE THERE WHERE THEY WOULD THEN WANT TO GO RIDE.

BUT ALL THE TRAILS, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REMOVING TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL THE TRAILS THEMSELVES SHOULD BE VERY WELL HIDDEN INSIDE OF THE TREE LINE AND THEY'RE NOT BUILT YET.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DEMAND ANYTHING.

THAT THAT'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN SAY, YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN SIDE 25 FEET OF, OF, OF ANY OF THE OUT OF THE BORDER OF THAT PROPERTY IS THE FARTHEST OUT OF TRAIL CAN EXTEND.

SO ALL THOSE TRAILS ARE STILL COMPACTED WITHIN THE ACTUAL GREEN SPACE.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE IN ONE EXIT.

SO WHEN YOU, EVENTUALLY, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOOKING UP WITH RIP RAP AND METROPARKS, THOSE TRAILERS ARE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK DOWN THE HILL.

WELL, THE, SO THE, OKAY.

AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT IF THAT DEVELOPMENT, IT HAPPENS ON THE BOTTOM SECTION OF THERE, THEN IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE ONE TRAIL THAT WENT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WOULD GO OUT TO CHAMBERSBURG AND THEN DOWN CHAMBERSBURG TO RIP RAP WHERE THE, WHERE THE GREAT MIAMI TRAIL IS AT.

THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AN OPEN BIKE PATH.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO, I MEAN, WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT HIDDEN.

THAT WOULD BE AN OPEN BIKE PATH, BUT THAT WOULD GO FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE TRAILS DOWN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ON THAT, THAT THAT'S ONLY IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES THAT PROPERTY AND THEN DONATES THE PROPERTY, LIKE

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THEY SAID THEY WOULD IF THEY BUY IT.

BUT, BUT NOTHING.

I MEAN, NONE OF THAT IS GUARANTEED.

THAT'S ALL FUTURE GUESSTIMATION AT THIS POINT, IT WAS JUST, I THINK WHAT, WHAT THEY PUT TOGETHER, THAT ORIGINAL PIECE THAT THE MOUNTAIN BIKE CAUSE SHE'S PUT TOGETHER WAS IF THAT'LL HAPPEN, THIS IS WHAT THE POSSIBILITY COULD BE.

BUT ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS SIMPLY JUST WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ALL UP ON TOP.

HOW MANY FEET INTO THE WOODS ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM TRAIL? I MEAN, WE, I DON'T, THOSE ARE ALL DISCUSSIONS WE CAN HAVE IN THE DESIGNERS WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY COME UP WITH THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF WHERE THE TRAILS WOULD BE.

UM, AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, AS WE ARE GETTING AND WORKING WITH THEIR DESIGNERS, WE CAN ESTABLISH WHATEVER BUFFER INSIDE OF THE GREEN SPACE OR INSIDE OF THE WOODS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD, IF THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING THE TRAILS THERE, SO IT'S NOT IMPACTING YOU AND WHAT, AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.

SO IF YOUR VIEW IS STILL THE SAME AND THERE'S PEOPLE JUST RIDING ON THE TRAIL, HIDDEN INSIDE THE WOODS, AS THEY'RE COMING THROUGH THERE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK UP TOWARD THE TOP AND OUT WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD EXIT.

WELL, I HAD TO PUT UP WITH YOU 35 YEARS AGO BACK THERE.

SO I WOULD PREFER WALKING TRAILS.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WALKING FOR THE FAMILY LIKE THAT, JUST THE QUIET, RIGHT.

AND THAT, SO, AND I, AND I THINK SO THAT IS STILL GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR YOU.

THERE'S STILL THE AVAILABILITY OF, OF WALKING.

THOSE ARE ALL WALKING, HIKING TRAILS AND MOUNTAIN BIKERS CAN USE THEM ALSO.

AND I THINK IF YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEAK TIMES, PEAK USE TIMES, AND AGAIN, THE MAMA TRAIL IS A VERY POPULAR TRAILHEAD, THE MOST ACTIVE TIME THEIRS.

AND I WOULD ASSUME THE EXACT SAME THING HERE IS ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

AND WHAT I SAW AT, AT MAMBA WAS FAMILIES PULL IT IN, THEY GOT A BIKE RACK ON THE BACK OF THE CAR AND YOU GOT A TRUCK THERE'S THREE OR FOUR BIKES ARE PULLING OUT AND THEY GOT THEIR HELMETS ON THEIR KNEE PADS.

AND OFF THEY GO INTO THE TRAILS AND YOU DON'T SEE THEM UNTIL THEY, UNTIL THEY, UNTIL THEY COME BACK OUT AND THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE METROPARKS.

IT'S GREAT BECAUSE THE RANGERS ARE OPENING IT AND CLOSING IT AND THEY'RE MONITORING IT.

AND UP THERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, IT'S A FREE FOR ALL.

UM, I THINK KIDS ARE GONNA USE IT.

I THINK FAMILIES ARE GONNA USE IT.

UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT.

LIKE WE HAVE IN THE REST OF OUR PARKS, WE DON'T HAVE LOTS OF ISSUES.

LOTS OF POLICE CALLS COMING IN ON THE OTHER PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

I MEAN, IT'S DAWN TO DUSK, YOU KNOW, LOOK, ARE THERE GOING TO BE ISSUES? IS IT GOING TO BE, IS THIS GOING TO BE 100% PERFECT, 100% OF THE TIME? NO WAY.

NOT A CHANCE, BUT I, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD OPTION.

HMM.

ALRIGHTY.

WHERE THE MAIN JUNCTIONS ARE ON THIS MAP.

BUT I TH BUT IN THE DESIGN, I WILL SAY WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THERE IS AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER.

THE WHOLE REASON WE'RE NOT DOING THE OTHER THING IS BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT IT WOULD MAKE ON THE RESIDENTS.

IF WE PUT TRAILS THERE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO IMPACT YOU THAT WAY EITHER.

AND I THINK SINCE THIS IS A KIND OF A DESIGN BUILD SYSTEM, WE CAN DESIGN IT TO MAKE SURE IT HAS THE MOST MINIMAL IMPACT ON EVERYBODY THAT LIVES THERE.

AND, AND THOSE W I MEAN, THOSE WOODS ARE PRETTY DENSE.

I MEAN, THERE'S, IT'S NOT A, YOU'RE NOT JUST LOOKING INTO AN OPEN SPACE WITH, WITH SOME TREES PLANTED.

I MEAN, THAT'S A REALLY DENSE AREA, AND I THINK THOSE TRAILS ARE GOING TO BE VERY WELL HIDDEN.

YES, SIR.

HELLO.

THERE I AM MARK ALLEN.

I AM WITH THE MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION.

I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US ATTEND AGAIN.

UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HEARD A LOT OF, UH, ISSUES WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, UH, AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS THAT, UH, THE PAVE PUMP TRACK AND SOME OF THE, THE BICYCLE SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY.

UM, I WISH I COULD PICK UP EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AND TAKE THEM TO A SHARED USE TRAIL, UH, AND SHOW YOU THAT IT IS, IS IT A PLEASURABLE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE IN NATURE? UM, I DID THIS DESIGN.

UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM, BUT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE MAP, THE GREEN TRAIL IS A ONE MILE IN LENGTH.

UM, IT DOES CONNECT INTO EXISTING, UH, SIDEWALKS THAT, UH, COME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS INTO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO THERE'S ONE ON THE WEST.

UH, IT'S HARD TO SEE THE BLUE ON THE SCREEN, BUT THERE'S ALSO ONE, UH, THERE'S TWO ON THE EAST SIDE THAT, UH, COME OFF OF DIAL INTO THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE TRIED TO SITUATE THE TRAILHEADS.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE THAT'S

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UH, SO THE GREEN TRAIL WOULD BE LIKE REALLY SUITABLE FOR LIKE THAT SHARED USE WALKING AND, UH, HIKING, UH, BEGINNER FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, KIDS ON STRIDER BIKES, PUSH BIKES.

UM, SO AGAIN, MULTI-GENERATIONAL DEFINITELY ROOM TO PUT BENCHES, UM, AND WHAT ELSE, WHATEVER AMENITIES, UM, UH, UM, AND THEN THE, THE TRAILS ON THE LOWER, THE REASON WHY THEY'RE DIFFERENT COLORS IS TO DIFFERENTIATE, UH, DIFFERENT LIKE, UH, MAYOR GORE WAS EXPLAINING ON A SKI SLOPE.

YOU TYPICALLY HAVE LIKE BEGINNER, INTERMEDIATE AND ADVANCED TRAILS, UM, USUALLY MARKED BY A GREEN CIRCLE, BLUE SQUARE AND BLACK DIAMOND.

AND THE LOWER TRAILS WOULD BE KIND OF MORE OF THAT FLAVOR, WHERE THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROGRESSION BECAUSE TWO MILES IS NOT A LOT OF MILEAGE ON A BICYCLE.

UM, AND AS MAYOR GORE WAS EXPLAINING, MAMBA IS JUST UNDER NINE MILES OF TRAIL.

AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ABOUT TWO MILES.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TRAILS HAVE THAT ABILITY TO HAVE THAT PROGRESSION SO THAT PEOPLE WILL SPEND MORE TIME ON THEM.

BUT, UH, YEAH.

SO GO BACK TO AGAIN, UM, SO THAT BLUE SQUIGGLY LINE OVER TO THE LEFT, WHAT IS ALL OF THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE YELLOW? I THINK IT'S GREEN MAYBE TO THE RIGHT OF THE YELLOW, YOU COULD POINT ON THE SCREEN MAYBE DOWN THERE.

SO LOOKING AT THE SIDEWALLS.

SO THE BLUE LINES THAT ARE STRAIGHT ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS THAT EXISTS TODAY.

THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE ON THE LEFT HAS A SET OF STEPS THAT COMES UP THE HILLSIDE.

UM, AND THAT'D BE A GOOD TRAIL JUNCTION AT THE TOP OF THAT, UH, THAT WOULD SANDAL VIEW, I BELIEVE SO.

SO THAT WAY, IF, IF YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO WATCH YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, OR YOU CAN JUST USE THE GREEN TRAIL AND, YOU KNOW, CUT THROUGH TO GO HAVE COFFEE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR.

UM, MAYBE THEY JOIN YOU FOR A WALK ON THE TRAIL.

UM, AND THEN THE ONE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE THAT DOES NOT EXIST, THAT WOULD BE THAT, UH, MAYBE A FUTURE ACCESS PATH TO GET FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INTO THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE COMING IN OFF OF DIAL OFF A SANDAL, BUT NOT A PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE FOR COMMUNITY ACCESS TO THAT GREEN SPACE.

THOSE ARE, I MEAN, THOSE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS.

TO HELP ERADICATE THE INVASIVE SPECIES.

I GOT ONE TOO.

SO I THINK IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN, IF THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD KID ON THEIR BIKE THAT WANTS TO ACCESS THE TRAIL, THEY WOULD GO DOWN THE SIDEWALK RATHER THAN GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP.

AND AT EACH OF THOSE JUNCTIONS IS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE SIGNAGE THAT EXPLAINS SHARED USE TRAIL ETIQUETTE.

AND THEN THE DIRECTION THAT THAT TRAIL IS INTENDED TO BE USED BY SOMEONE ON A BIKE OR SOMEONE ON FOOT, I'M LATE TO ALL OF THIS.

UH, MY NAME IS PRISCILLA AND BECKAM, I ACTUALLY LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED AREA.

I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD ADDRESSED IS THE CONSERVATION OF OUR WILDLIFE THAT IS IN THAT AREA.

HOW IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED OR ADDRESSED OR PROTECTED IN ALL OF THIS? YEAH, SO I THINK WE HEARD FROM, UH, THERE WAS SOME MEMBERS OF THE MINE VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION WAS THERE, WAS HERE IN, SPOKE ON THIS BEFORE.

UM, AND I THINK WHEN WE HAD OUR TOWN HALL, OUR, UH, PARKS MANAGER HAD, HAD, HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH REGARDING WILDLIFE AND DEER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I, I, OTHER THAN MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, BIKING IN THOSE TRAILS, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A MOUNTAIN BIKE SET UP SINCE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE HEARD WAS THERE'S STILL LOTS OF WILDLIFE AND DEER AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY AREN'T IMPACTED.

THEY'RE STILL THERE.

SO I WORK FOR A CONSERVATION AGENCY.

UM, I NOT HERE ON BEHALF OF THEM, UH, IN ANY CAPACITY, I WORKED FOR FIVE RIVERS, METRO PARKS.

UM, AND CURRENTLY THERE IS A LOT OF INVASIVE SPECIES ON THIS SITE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB IN AN EFFORT WITH THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE TO REMOVE A LOT OF THE HONEYSUCKLE TO ESTABLISH A BETTER HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE BECAUSE CURRENTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HONEYSUCKLE DOESN'T PROVIDE OTHER UNCOVER AND HAS FOR, BUT IT'S NOT NUTRITIONAL VALUE FOR, FOR OUR WILDLIFE.

UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY

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UH, I MEAN YOUR HUNTING CYCLE, AND THEN HOPEFULLY REPLANTED WITH SOME, LIKE SOME UNDERSTORY SHRUBS, LIKE PAWPAW SPICE, BUSH, AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH SOME OF THE BUFFERING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THOSE WORK DAYS.

SO, SO, UH, AGAIN, DEAR SON, THEY'RE UNDER REALLY A HEAVY PRESSURE.

DON'T EAT HONEY SNAPPLE.

SO, UM, BUT THEY DO EAT OTHER HERBACEOUS PLANTS THAT COULD GROW IN THE WOODS IF THE HONEYSUCKLE WASN'T THERE.

SO THE, THE PART OF THE GOAL IS TO IMPROVE THAT 18 ACRES IS FOR A HABITAT AND ALSO CONNECT HOPEFULLY WITH THE 30 ACRES THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN TO THEM, HOPEFULLY, YEAH.

LETTING THAT WILDLIFE CORRIDOR THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UH, REMAIN INTACT.

HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS ANSWER SOME OF THESE PETER RAMIREZ.

ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU THINK ABOUT IS WHAT TO SOMEBODY THAT GETS HURT IS SOMEBODY GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DRINKING THOSE, THAT TEENAGERS THAT BRINGS A BEER OR DRUGS ON EUROPE? IS THERE SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO BE, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SIGNS THAT SAYS NO DRINKING OR HER STUDENT? WELL, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE RULES POSTED.

I MEAN, WE'RE, IT GOES OUT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE THEIR RULES POSTED OTHER PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THOSE TWO THINGS CAN HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? SURE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE THOSE EXACT SAME SITUATION IN THE TENNIS, TENNIS COURTS AND BASKETBALL COURTS.

I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY FALLS AND BREAKS HER ARM, SOMEBODY THINKS HER LEBRON JAMES AND TRIES TO DUNK AND THEY MISS AND BREAK THEIR ARM.

I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR OWN PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

AND I THINK, AND THOSE ARE ALSO CITY, THE CITY PROVIDED PARKS AND CITY PROVIDED IMMUNITIES.

SO IF WE HAVE, IF SOMEONE DOES GET HURT THERE, I MEAN, THAT'S, EVERYBODY IS PARTICIPATING AT THEIR OWN RISK.

I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT.

SO EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH PATROLLED THEMSELVES AND IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES.

AND, AND CURRENTLY THEY, THEY DO THAT IN ALL THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT THE CITY OFFERS.

SO PEOPLE IN THE BICYCLE GRASS TO EACH OTHER, OR THEY FIGHT STARTS OR SOMETHING OR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, I'LL, WE'RE GOING TO DO A BIT, MAYBE SOME OF US ARE GOING TO WITNESS THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HAPPENED OR NOT, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.

SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S QUIET AND IT'S A GOOD FAMILY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

I, I I'VE CAME OUT OF THOSE WIZARDS, LOTS OF SCRAPED KNEES AND BRUISED ELBOWS AND TREE BRANCH SCRAPES.

AND I MEAN, AND I THINK, BUT THAT'S JUST, IF YOU'RE WRITING AND YOU'RE PARTICIPATING, THEN I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THOSE ARE RISKS THAT YOU TAKE.

AND, UM, WHATEVER PAIRING OF THE RULES AND GUIDELINES THAT PARENTS SET FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND WHAT THEY CAN DO OR WHAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.

AND HOPEFULLY THEY LISTEN.

BUT YEAH, IT'S LIKE IN ANY OF OUR PARKS SPACE AND THE, AND THE ACTIVITIES WE PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION AT THEIR, THEIR OWN RISK THERE.

THE CITY'S NOT LIABLE FOR THAT.

SO THE, THE CITY IS ALSO PROTECTED UNDER THE RECREATIONAL IMMUNITY CLAUSE, UM, WHICH WE CAN HELP WITH SIGNAGE THAT EXPLAINS THAT.

BUT BASICALLY IF SOMEONE HURTS HIMSELF IN, UH, IN THE WOODS, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE LIABLE, UM, FINANCIALLY FOR THOSE ISSUES, WELL, NOBODY GETS HURT AND YES, EVERYBODY USES EVERYTHING RESPONSIBLY, BUT AGAIN, CERTAINLY THERE'S NOTHING IS FULL-PROOF WE CAN'T GUARANTEE ANY OF THAT.

AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

HAVING MORE PEOPLE, UH, ON, ON THE SPACE WILL ACTUALLY KEEP SOME OF THE, THE, THE UNDESIRABLE ACTIVITIES.

UH, SO IT'S KIND OF SELF-REGULATING WILDLIFE, BUT THERE, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT, THAT, THAT COULD, COULD BE, UH, A CONCERN DURING PEAK HOURS.

UM, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON THE CRIME AND, UH, IT IT'S HAVING PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY, THERE'S ALREADY, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S, THERE'S TRASH ON THE PROPERTY NOW THAT'S NOT BEING PICKED UP.

UM, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LIKE, WE HAVE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, BUILD THIS FACILITY OUT AND REMOVE SOME OF THAT TRASH AND THEN HELP POLICE THAT SITE SO THAT IT STAYS CLEAN.

UH, AGAIN, FOR ALL THE, ALL THE USERS JUST, WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER.

SO I REALLY, I REALLY AM HAPPY THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS BECAUSE THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE LIKE WE REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE WANT THIS FOR US.

I MEAN, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S JUST HARD TO SHOW YOU WHEN THERE ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE THIS NEARBY.

UM, SO HAVING THOSE CONCERNS, UH, BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION INTO THE CITY'S ATTENTION, LIKE THE ONE CONCERN WAS LIKE BIT A LARGE CROWDS.

LIKE WE WON'T HAVE EVENTS AT THIS SPACE AND, AND ALL OF THOSE EVENTS WOULD BE PERMITTED THROUGH THE CITY ANYWAY.

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YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, HELP PROGRAM AND, AND ACTIVATE THIS SPACE.

I, YEAH, JEFF, WE, WHEN WE WERE BRIEFED BY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS BY MAMBA OR, OR THE, UM, MIAMI VALLEY, UM, MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION, BUT ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN BROUGHT UP THAT IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR THEM WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE MOUNTAIN TRAILS, OVER NEAR HUSBAND DAM THAT THEY SEE DEER AND EDMOND, THEY JUST GO EXIST.

AND, AND I, I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU THAT THE DEER WILL DISAPPEAR BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THEM IN OUR BACKYARD.

I MEAN, AND WE'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

I, THERE ARE SO MANY AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE THERE ARE DEER.

SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A CONCERN.

IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT RIGHT NOW HAS DEER.

YOU ARE PROPOSING.

NO, NO.

ACCORDING TO WHAT THE GENTLEMEN BRIEF, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

AND ONCE THEY GET THE, UM, THAT, THAT WHEN THEY MOUNTAIN BIKE, THEY, THEY, THEY COME UPON HIM QUITE OFTEN, DEER, AS LONG AS THEY'RE WOODS, THEY WILL BE THERE.

WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF DEER IN THE CITY.

WHEN DID YOU COME BACK TO THE PODIUM TO IT? UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS TWO GENTLEMEN THAT WALK INTO THE PATHWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PUBLIC AREA CLOSE TO.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

BY THE SIDE OF, BY MY HOUSE ON THE THING.

AND THEY HAD RIFLES SEND THEM.

AND THEY HAD BACKPACK THAT LIFE WITHOUT THEM.

SO I KNEW THAT THOSE WERE NOT BB GUNS OR ANYTHING.

SO I CALLED THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE.

THEY DID COME, TWO CARDS CAME ON AND, UH, I TOLD THEM, WELL, THEY WENT BACK THERE THAT WAY.

UH, WELL, THE POLICE WENT AFTER HIM ON IT, BUT THEY STARTED SEPARATING.

ONE WENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAS A POLICE CAR, WENT AROUND THE OTHER CORNER UP THERE.

THEY FINALLY DID CATCH UP ON THE THING.

BUT, UH, THOSE THINGS HAPPENED SO HAPPENED THAT, UH, I WAS ABLE TO SEE THEM, THERE WAS THE RIFLES THEY HAD ON THERE AND THAT INTIMIDATION AND DRAWING LIKE THAT.

NOW, WHAT WOULD THEY BE GOING OUT THERE? I DON'T KNOW.

THEY WERE PLANNING TO SHOOT DEER OR, OR WHAT, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK I'VE HEARD SO LIKELY THAT YOU WERE HIGH SCHOOL.

AT LEAST THEY GET AHOLD OF THEM.

FINALLY, THEY CATCH UP, BUT IT TOOK THEM QUITE A WHILE.

CAUSE THEY WERE RUNNING AWAY IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS WITH US THIS EVENING? YES, SIR.

MY NAME IS RONALD HOPLEY AND I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY AND I HEARD A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ON BOTH SIDES AND GLAD I STARTED AT 10.

THIS IS JUST MY SECOND BEAT.

AND SO I'M WAVING.

HI.

AND I'M JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT ALL THIS WELCOME.

MY ONLY THING IS WHEN YOU, WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS WHEN YOU'RE DOING A FLIP OR THIS MAGNET, YOU HAVE TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? WHAT DID HE IMPACT? ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE IMPACTED.

THEY HAVE TO BE BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE UPROAR.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

THIS TYPE OF THING.

MY ONLY THING TO YOU IS GET THE MESSAGE OUT.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

HERE'S THE PLAN BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A PLAN.

BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I DON'T SEE A PLAN.

I HEAR WE GOT THINGS GOING ON.

WE GOT DEVELOPMENT.

WE WANT TO DO THIS, BUT THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, HE, UH, HE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID, ELIMINATE SOME OF MY CONCERNS, BUT IT'S NOT PUT ALL TOGETHER.

YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE STEP TAKE STEPS.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESOLVE? HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

HERE'S HOW WE GOING TO DO IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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I THINK THERE'S AN WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE.

UM, FOR ONE CRIME DATA.

CAN WE GET, IF THIS GOES TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION, CAN WE GET THE INFORMATION AS FAR AS HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REPORTED BEING BACK THERE AND THEN HAVE AN OFFICER GO BACK AND SEE ABOUT, UM, DAMAGED BEER BOTTLES, ANY OTHER USE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CONFIRM HER HOW MUCH MORE ACTIVITY IS BACK THERE THAN WHAT'S BEING REPORTED? UM, AS WELL AS I BELIEVE, UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER BIG CONCERN SOMEBODY HAD, REMEMBER THE DEER? UH, WELL, THAT'S AN EASY ONE.

I'VE BEEN OUT MOM, BUT MOM, MULTIPLE TIMES, I'VE ALMOST HIT A DEER MORE THAN ONCE.

SO THAT'S NOT A FACTOR WHATSOEVER.

UM, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'VE ALMOST, I'VE BEEN RIDING IN TRAILS SEVERAL TIMES, IN MY OPINION.

THAT'S NOT A FACTOR WHATSOEVER.

THOSE GEARS ARE STILL GONNA EXIST.

LIKE THE COUNSELORS SPOKEN TO, UM, SORRY, IT'S JUST, YEAH.

UH, BUT YEAH.

WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE IN CASE THIS GOES TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO GET THE CRIME DATA, AS FAR AS WHAT'S REPORTED FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, MAYBE OR LESS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

I THINK THE, THAT DATA IS CERTAINLY AVAILABLE.

I THINK COUNCIL'S GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT THIS MOVES TO A, UM, A VOTE ON THE TRAILS BECAUSE KIND OF OUR SETUP IS WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY AND THEN ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AND SEE ME THEN MOVE TO, UM, TO COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR, FOR VOTING.

SO IF, IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO RECOMMEND MOVING TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR MORE DATA, THEN CERTAINLY THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AT THE DISCRETION OF FORWARD, GOING FORWARD ON, ON HOW WELL IT MOVES FORWARD.

AND BEFORE WE FINISH UP THIS DISCUSSION, THERE, THERE WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE MAP IT.

SO THERE IS NO PARKING OFF OF A LONGBOARD ANYMORE.

SO THERE WOULD BE AN ENTRANCE OFF OF LONGFORD INTO THE ACTUAL GREEN SPACE THAT WOULD LEAD TO A PARKING, THE PARKING SPACE IN THERE.

THANKS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE CARS OR THEN SEE TRUCKS WITH TRAILERS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE DISTURBED BY ALL THESE CARS GOING BY OUR HOUSE.

I THINK THAT THE, THE GOAL THERE WOULD BE, UH, I THINK THIS WAS JUST A SKETCH TO SHOW SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HOW THAT COULD WORK.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A FINAL PLAN.

THERE WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TUCKED IN BACK INTO THE TREES.

THERE WOULD BE, UM, THERE WOULD BE PLANNING.

WELL, CERTAINLY, I MEAN, THEY'D HAVE TO ACCESS THE PARK, BUT WE, BUT WE CAN BUFFER.

I MEAN, THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO AROUND THAT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANY CARS DRIVING BY THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.

MY PAT, MY FAMILY ROOM IS RIGHT THERE WITH THE PATIO DOOR.

AND I'M NOT TO BE ABLE TO SIT THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE CARS, THE TRUCKS WITH THE TRAILERS, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 A SUNDAY, NO, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THAT.

I MEAN, AS FAST FORCE THAN EVER.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE.

WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I BEG OF YOU TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO HOME TO YOUR HOMES, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR RESIDENTS.

THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS OUR BACKYARD.

MUCH RATHER HAVE THAT, THAT, THAT LAND IS GOING TO BE PURCHASED AT SOME POINT MUCH RATHER HAVE THAT THEN HAVE, UM, APARTMENTS OR A HOUSE BEHIND MY HOUSE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTARY OR COMMENTS OR, OKAY.

I AM NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER.

MY NAME'S MARY LENA MCQUEEN, BUT LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THIS IS WHAT I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF SANDAL VIEW AND TIMBER VIEW.

WE'VE BUILT OUR, WE, WE GOT OUR HOUSE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, LOVED THE AREA, THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY NICE THOUGHT THE WOODS WERE GREAT.

WONDERFUL.

WE KNEW WE DID NOT PURCHASE THOSE WOODS.

WE KNEW THAT SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO BUY THOSE WOODS AT SOME POINT, AND WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE IN THOSE WOODS.

IT'S SELFISH FOR ME TO THINK THAT I NEED TO KEEP THOSE WOODS THERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T BUY THOSE WOODS.

I LATER FOUND OUT THROUGH MY DAUGHTER THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE WOODS THAT ARE HOMELESS.

I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE A PARK THERE, OR IF WE HAVE A TRAIL THERE THAT, UM, EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER.

MY HUSBAND WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS TOTALLY FINE.

BUT IF WE HAVE PEOPLE, IF WE HAVE A PARK THERE, IT WILL BE LOOKED OUT A LOT MORE THAN IT IS NOW, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT SAFE TO GO IN THOSE WOODS.

I WOULD

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SO I'M ALL FOR IT, HONESTLY.

I'M ALL FOR THE, I'M ALL FOR IT.

SO I DO NOT WANT THE PARKING LOT RIGHT BESIDE MY HOUSE WITH PORTAL APPS, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SCOTT, IF WE LOOK AT THIS MOVING FORWARD, I MEAN, IS THERE, AND I REALIZE WHAT YOU DID THERE BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE TO SHOW WHAT, HOW THAT COULD LOOK.

BUT I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE SPACES COULD BE MOVED AROUND.

I MEAN, I REALIZED THAT IN TERMS OF BUDGETING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TWO SPACES HERE.

AND THEN ANOTHER LANE THAT LEADS TO THREE SPACES HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO THINK THAT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN, WE CAN GET THOSE PARKING SPACES TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT OBTRUSIVE, THERE'S BUFFERING AROUND THEM.

TREES, SHRUBS, ALL THINGS AROUND THERE, WHERE, WHERE IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THEY LIVE THERE ON DIAL LOOKING.

AND I THINK GEE, THAT'S CONCEPT.

MAYBE THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT THERE, BUT IT'S UP ON THE OTHER PIECE.

BUT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A WAY THAT WE CAN BUFFER ALL THAT.

SO PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING AT CARS, THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AS CLOSE TO THE NATURAL HABITAT IS WHERE THEY'VE LOOKED DOWN IN THE PAST.

YES, WE CAN ADD BUFFERING TREES, SHRUBS, PLANTINGS, MOUNTING, AS NECESSARY, AND THAT'S TO HIDE THE PARK TO HIDE THE PARKING.

YES, YES.

UM, YES.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON HER COMMENT.

UM, WHEN WE WERE BUILDING THE DOG PARK, UH, THE PEOPLE OVER, UH, WHAT IS, WHAT WAS MENLO PARK OR HIS MENLO PARK, UM, WERE VERY MUCH AGAINST, OR INITIALLY VERY MUCH AGAINST US BUILDING A DOG PARK THERE FOR A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT, UH, WE'RE HEARING HERE.

UM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF MISCHIEF GOING ON IN THAT PARK AFTER DARK.

AND, AND WE PUT IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OVER TO THAT PARK, BUT WE PUT IN A BEAUTIFUL DOG PARK.

WE PUT IN A WALKING TRAIL AROUND THE PERIMETER, THE DOG PARK, IT'S GOT BENCHES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SIT IN THERE.

IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EMBRACED IT.

THE MISCHIEF HAS GONE AWAY.

IT IS A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK WE SEE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR HAPPENING WHAT HAPPENING WITH THIS.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT OUR S THAT OUR PARKS BE STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT, UM, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY HAVE LIKE A PLAYGROUND.

THEY HAVE A PAVILION FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

THEY HAVE BENCHES, THEY HAVE A WALKING PERIMETER, UM, AND, AND LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION BY TAKING THE MULTIPLE BIKE AMENITIES OUT HERE AND LEAVING IT JUST FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKERS, IT'S GOING TO CREATE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC AND MUCH LESS, UM, NOISE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

AND, AND SO I THINK THAT THIS, UH, THIS EFFORT TO COMPROMISE, UH, WELL, IN THE END, AFTER WE GET ALL THE BUFFERING ISSUES WORKED OUT IN THE PARKING AND THE FINAL DESIGN ESTABLISHED WITH YOUR INPUT, I THINK THAT THIS WILL TURN OUT TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE VERY PROUD OF REAL, REAL QUICK TOO.

SO WHEN WE DID THE ADDED THOSE PARKING SPACES AT BELLE PLAINE, OR SCOTT, DO YOU, HOW, HOW MANY DID WE ADD THERE? WE HAD A 12, ONE OF THOSE 12 WAS A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE, BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ACTUALLY KIND OF BULL OR KIND OF KNOWS IT'S A CURB CUT.

SO YOU WOULD COME IN OFF OF BELL PLAIN, AND I FORGET WHICH DIRECTION, BUT IF YOU'RE HEADING, I THINK IT'S WEST YOU'LL TURN RIGHT STRAIGHT INTO THE PARKING SPACES.

AND THEN IF YOU'RE COMING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, HAD KNEE SHE'LL TURN LEFT.

AND THEY'RE STRAIGHT IN.

GOTCHA.

TO THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE ONLY JUST GOING TO WALK THERE.

BUT SEE, I THINK THE ISSUE, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKING LIKE THAT, I THINK THE REASON THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING INSIDE THERE'S BECAUSE OF THE LINE OF SIGHT COMING UP, LONGFORD ON THAT HILL.

I DON'T, I MEAN, SCOTT, OUR DISCUSSION ON THINGS THERE, PARKING, PULLING IN PARKING OFF OF LONGFORD AND NOT GETTING INTO THE GREEN SPACE, CREATES A PROBLEM WITH LINE OF SIGHT, PULLING IN AND TRYING TO BACK OUT.

WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE INTERSECTION THERE AT LONGFORD AND DIAL THAT PEOPLE WOULD EVEN RUN THAT STOP SIGN.

SO THEY'D BE GOING DOWN THE HILL WHERE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO BACK OUT AS THEY'RE LEAVING.

SO I THINK THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THERE.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING ON THE STREET, EVEN IF WE PUT A PARKING, EVEN IF WE DID A COMMUNITY PARK, LIKE, LIKE, WHAT'S IT, THEY'LL PLAIN

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I THINK THAT'S BEING NAIVE.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND DRIVE IF IT'S A NICE AMENITY AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED SOME PLACE TO PARK AND WE DON'T WANT THEM PARKING ON THE STREET.

WE CAN'T PUT BULLET PARKING INTO, UH, INTO THAT SPACE IN A CURB CUT AS, AS, UH, MR. LYONS WAS TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SAFE BECAUSE OF THE LINE OF SIGHT AND THE HILL.

SO I THINK TRYING TO MASK THE PARKING INSIDE THE SPACE THERE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.

THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR A DESIGN.

I THINK THAT'S THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING THERE, IF IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO PUT A GAZEBO AND A SMALL PLAYGROUND AND SOME PARK BENCHES AND A WALKING PATH AND NOT GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE TO PARK.

SO SOMETHING, SOMETHING HAS TO GO THERE FOR ANY TYPE OF AMENITY.

AND THERE WERE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO PARK.

SO I THINK THAT ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT, AND IT CAN'T BE ON THE STREET AND IT CAN'T PULL INTO A CURB CUT CAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE ADDRESSING THE PARKING IS I LIKE TO ASK MR. SHAW, THE, UH, I PRESENTED AN OPTION TO YOU, UM, SEVERAL DAYS AGO AND, UM, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY THE, UH, THE LITTLE WHITE RECTANGLE THERE ON THE MAP WOULD BASICALLY BE, UH, IN WHAT I PROPOSED WOULD BE A SHORT LANE TO A PARKING SECTION THAT WOULD BE TUCKED IN BY SIMILAR TO WHERE THAT, UH, WHITE RECTANGLE IS.

UM, RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU PRESENTED THAT.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

NO, I DO.

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO FINISH THAT, UH, THAT INFORMATION WAS FORWARDED ON TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PARK.

UM, THEN MAY I ASK THE, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, WHY HE CHOSE A LONG LANE THAT'S IN THE LINE OF SIGHT TO THE PEOPLE ON DIAL ROAD VERSUS THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT I PRESENTED, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ACROSS FROM, UH, WHAT WOULD BE 10 OR A 50 41 LONGFORD, WHICH, AND FROM THAT POINT, BY THE WAY, CAUSE I STOOD AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE GOOD LINE OF SIGHT DOWN THE HILL FOR, IF YOU WANT TO EXIT THERE AND MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN, YOU CAN SEE THE INTERSECTION WITH, UM, ARROW VIEW AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE ALL THE WAY UP FROM THAT POINT TO THE, UM, TO THE STOP SIGN AT LONGFORD AND DIAL.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A PRIOR DISCUSSION OF TOWN HALL, THERE WAS TALK OF A RIGHT TURN ONLY AND WHERE, WHERE CAN YOU GET IN WHERE IT WOULD BE SAFEST? I FOUND THAT TO BE AS SAFE, A, AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT I COULD FIND.

AND IF YOU PARKED CARS ALONG THAT, UM, THAT TREE LINE THERE THAT ENDS INTO THAT GOES FROM PERPENDICULAR TO LONGFORD AND ENDS THERE AT THAT RECTANGLE AND DO A LOOP BACK AROUND, BACK AROUND THE PARKING SPACES AND THEN REJOINS THAT, UH, ENTRANCE POINT AS AN EXIT THAT THE PEOPLE ALONG DIAL ROAD ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THOSE CARS OVER THERE.

THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS MUCH SHORTER.

SO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE PEOPLE THAT DIAL IS GOING TO BE MINIMIZED.

AND IN FACT, IF YOU PUT A LOOP AROUND THOSE PARKING SPACES, YOU COULD LEAVE A GREEN SPACE IN THERE WHERE YOU COULD PART WHERE YOU COULD PUT, UH, TRASH CANS, LOW BUSHES, UH, SOMETHING THAT MASKS IT EVEN MORE AND ACTUALLY MAKES IT CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO DROP OFF THEIR WATER BOTTLES BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE PARK.

SO I DON'T DIDN'T KNOW WHY THAT, UH, HOW THAT WAS CONSIDERED OR IF THERE WAS ANY REASON WHY THAT, THAT WASN'T A GOOD ALTERNATIVE.

UM, THIS WAS JUST AN OPTION.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION THAT, UH, YOU DID PROPOSE THAT, UH, WOULD BE VIABLE.

THIS OPTION THAT I PROPOSED JUST PULLED IT OFF OF THE ROAD, MORE THAT, UH, MORE INTO THE WOODED AREA.

UM, SO W WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT ALL OF THEM.

WELL, I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE BEST, AT LEAST THE BEST THING I COULD COME UP WITH TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE DIAL DRIVE RESIDENTS.

AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S PER PRETTY MUCH PERPENDICULAR TO LONGFORD, IT ENDS UP BEING, NOT AS MUCH A DISTRACTION TO THE PEOPLE LIVING ALONG LONGFORD ROAD

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AS WELL.

THIS GUY BEEPERS, DIDN'T SEEN THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COUNSEL OF ANY OTHER MISERABLES YOU EVER HAND RAISED A SECOND AGO? I DID.

UM, I JUST BRIEFLY, I WAS GOING TO MENTION THE DRAWING YOU SEE UP BEFORE YOU HAVING WORKED WITH, UM, MR. AND PLANNING, THAT'S A SCOTT SCOTCH AND, UH, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR WHAT WOULD BE THE FINAL THING.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

IS THIS A, SCOTT'S NOT TO SPEAK FOR SCOTT, BUT THAT'S A WAY OF SHOWING.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PARKING SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

KIND OF LOOKING MAYBE LIKE THAT.

SO NOTHING DEFINITELY WITH THOSE BLUE LINES, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE VISUAL THAT CAUSED SOME REACTION.

YOU BETTER BE COHERENT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, LIKE MIRROR GORE, I WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE MOM BESIDE IT'S THE METRO PARKS MOUNTAIN BIKING AREA.

WHAT'S A STANFORD AREA, GOOD MOUNTAIN BIKING AREA.

AND IT REALLY IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM IT'S UNDEVELOPED.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THEY CLEARED TRAILS AND IT'S I WALKING BIKING TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS, BUT IT IS VERY NATURAL LOOKING.

THEY DO HAVE SIGNS, DESIGNATING BIKES TO THE RIGHT WALKERS, TO THE LEFT.

YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS, BUT I WASN'T ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE WHEN I WAS OUT THERE.

I WAS WALKING.

BUT, UH, UM, THE AREA ISN'T A HIGHLY DEVELOPED, UM, PAVED LOOKING, IT'S VERY NATURAL, NATURAL LOOKING AREA THAT FITS IN.

AND SPEAKING TO A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT I SEE SOME OF YOU HERE TONIGHT, THE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS IT'S ALREADY THERE AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT PEOPLE BIKING THROUGH THE TRAILS BACK THERE.

UH, SIR, YOU EVEN MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE HAULING SKIDS BACK THERE FOR PAINT BALL.

SO I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN AND PUT PAVED TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE WOODS BACK THERE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, UM, DISTURBING A LOT OF WILDLIFE WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN SOMETHING THAT'S VERY NATURAL THAT FLOWS WITH THE AREA AND IT'S A GOOD FIT BACK THERE.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY ON THIS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? YES, JOLENE'S.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR SCOTT, UM, WITH THE PARKING IN THE ROAD TO THAT, UH, PARKING THE SPACE THAT'S STILL AVAILABLE.

IS THAT GOING TO BE SEVEN, EIGHT PLUS ACRES, INCLUDING THE WOODS IN THAT, INCLUDING THE WOODS WHERE THE BIKING, UH, WHERE THE, UM, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS ARE GOING TO BE JUST THE GREEN GRASS AREA? YEAH, IT'D BE LESS THAN THAT.

THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, ABOUT FOUR ACRES WORTH OF OPEN SPACE.

AND THEN FOUR ACRES, UM, A COMMUNITY PARK WE COULD PUT, COULD PUT, UM, SWINGS, UH, JUNGLE GYMS FOR YOUNG KIDS AND INTERMEDIATE KIDS.

UM, BASKETBALL COURT, IF WE WANTED TO CERTAINLY A SHELTER OR A GAZEBO AS WELL AND MAKE IT A COMMUNITY PARK AS WELL, NOT JUST STATE MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK.

OTHER AMENITIES WOULD FIT IN THERE.

AND I THINK THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WAS MADE, UH, MAKING IT, THEY WANTED SOMETHING THERE, BUT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY PARK, NOT JUST A MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK, SO, AND MAYOR, WE COULD DO THAT IN THIS PLAN OR WE COULD ADD THOSE AMENITIES AT A LATER TIME.

20 SPACES, UM, IF WE FIND THAT, UH, WE NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD MORE AT A LATER DATE.

SO I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO MOVING FORWARD, IF, UH, COUNCIL'S DESIRE WE CAN, UM, ADD OTHER DONALD PARK IMPROVEMENTS TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND THEN DISCUSS THE ACTUAL PARK PIECE OF THIS OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS OR COUNCIL COULD SAY, WELL, NO, LET'S WAIT ON THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS.

CAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS AND THE OTHER PARK COMMUNITIES.

UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL AND HOW YOU'D WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

BUT I, BUT I THINK WHEN WE, WHEN WE CONSIDER ALL OF THIS, I STILL GO BACK TO PARKING'S AN ISSUE, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS THERE, THERE HAS TO BE PARKING CAUSE IT CAN'T GO ON THE STREET AND IT CAN'T BE PULLED IN, IN A CURB CUT OFF LONG FOR.

SO PARKING HAS TO BE ADDRESSED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND THE, AND THE PARKING ISSUE IS SO IMPORTANT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON THAT THIS WAS ALL MOVED OFF TO OTHER READINGS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS PARKING.

SO, AND TO THAT POINT WITH PARKING, UM, IF WE START WITH A PLAN OF 10 OR I'M SORRY,

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IF WE FIND, IF WE FIND IT SPROUT.

IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S ON-STREET PARKING AND SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT USING THE PARKING LOT, SO IT'S NOT FILLED, BUT THERE'S, ON-STREET PARKING THEN IN OTHER PARKS, IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WE'VE PUT UP SIGNS WHERE THERE'S NO PARKING WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE PARK.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT TOO, TO HELP OUT WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN FACT, I MEAN, I'M NOT AFRAID TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE I LIVE.

I LIVE ON CHARLES GATEWAY BEHIND THE AQUATIC CENTER.

SO WE'RE CHARLES GATE ROAD, DEAD ENDS OF THE AQUATIC CENTER.

I MEAN, THAT'S, I'M, I'M RIGHT THERE.

AND THERE WAS A GATE THAT WAS PUT UP AND WE HAD THERE CERTAIN RESIDENTS AROUND, AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DIDN'T LIKE THE GATE GOING UP OR BEING OPEN BECAUSE THE Y WALKING PATH AROUND THE YMCA IS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S ACCESSIBLE THREE HOUSES FROM ME.

SO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO COME.

IF THAT GATE WAS OPEN OR WAS GOING TO PARK ALL OVER OUR STREET AND ACCESS THE BACK END OF THE AQUATIC CENTER THERE.

SO PUT UP NO PARKING SIGNS AND THE NO PARKING SIGNS ARE MUCH NICER TO LOOK AT THAN A STRAIGHT LINE OF CARS.

SO IF WE FOUND THAT THAT'S HAPPENING, YES.

RIGHT WHERE I LIVE, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

THERE'S NO PARKING SIGNS THERE.

SO, BUT NOW WHEN I'M OUT ON MY FRONT PORCH, I SEE PEOPLE WALKING AND THEY GO THROUGH THE GATE AND THEY'LL WALK AROUND THE WIDE TRACK.

IT'S A MILE AROUND.

AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE DONE AND THEY'RE SWEATING AND I SEE THEM COMING BACK UP THE OTHER WAY THERE, THEY'RE WELCOME BACK TO THEIR HOUSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S AN, THAT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.

AND THEN PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE THERE, THEY DRIVE INTO THE FRONT OF THE YMCA AND THEN THEY WALK, THEY WALK THE TRAIL, THEY WALK THE PATH THAT WAY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT UP NO PARKING SIGNS TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OF THE STREET THERE.

BUT IF WE HAVE ANY AMENITY THERE, WE JUST CAN'T THINK THAT THE PARK HAS TO BE LIMITED.

THE PEOPLE THAT JUST LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THEIR CARS AND COME THERE.

IT, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY ON RECORD, I THINK IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO SPEND ONE PENNY IN THAT PARK AND THEN NOT EXPECT PEOPLE TO WANT TO USE IT.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE FROM, FROM, FROM YOUR TAX DOLLARS PERSPECTIVE TO SPEND THE MONEY IN A, IN A PARK TO IMPROVE IT AS AN AMENITY.

AND THEN, AND THEN HOPE PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP THAT JUST, THAT JUST DOES NOT MAKE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE.

SO IF ANYTHING IS GOING TO BE DONE THERE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK WHEN THEY GET THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES IN THERE.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE THAT'S HERE.

I KNOW A LOT OF YOUR PROBABLY MAY BE SITTING THERE THINKING, OH, SHOULD I SAY IT? SHOULD I NOT SAY IT? IF IT'S A THOUGHT, PLEASE COME AND LET US KNOW.

SO WHOLE PURPOSE OF THESE WORK SESSIONS IS WE GET, WE GET FEEDBACK AND WE, AND WE DISCUSS IT.

WE FIGURE IT OUT.

ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT? YES.

IT IS MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A PHASE ONE APPROACH, ADDRESSING THE PARKING, WORKING WITH OUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FOLKS AND GETTING THIS AREA ACTIVATED A PHASE TWO APPROACH.

BEAR.

OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I'VE GOT TO MEET MANY OF YOU, UM, UH, AT YOUR HOMES, UH, SPOKE TO MANY OF YOU ON THE PHONE, UH, TRADED EMAILS, UH, INCLUDING THE FOLKS FROM THE MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION.

UM, OUR, UH, OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR PARKS MANAGER, UM, AND, UH, AND A FEW OTHER PROFESSIONALS FROM, UH, FROM METRO PARKS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, INCLUDING OUT OF LITTLE ROCK AND, UH, IN BELLEVUE WASHINGTON, UM, JUST TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED HERE, UM, WAS TAKING YOUR CONCERNS CONSIDERATION.

UM, SOME OF YOU I'VE SAT HERE AT CITY HALL FOR HOURS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH, UM, AND TAKING, YOU KNOW, THOSE COMMITTEES VACATIONS BACK TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND PARKS MANAGER.

UM, AND THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM PARKING TO THE AMENITIES THAT GO IN HERE TOO.

IS THIS A PHASED APPROACH? UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THINGS BEHIND MY HOUSE.

WHAT ABOUT LIGHTING? WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARK TIMINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, NATURE, UM, YOU KNOW, CRIME, UH, EVERYTHING, I THINK THAT'S BEEN WELL DISCUSSED HERE.

UM, AND, AND I APPLAUD EACH OF YOU FOR THIS.

UM, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A LONG-TERM DISCUSSION THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE OVER SEVERAL YEARS.

UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS MORE YEAH.

INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED OUT AS, YOU KNOW, ACQUIRING LAND AS THE, AS THE MAYOR SAID, UM, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAN THE PARKS MANAGER, UM, UM, MAMBA, UM, MIAMI VALLEY, THE MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION, A LOT OF OTHER ENTITIES GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THIS COULD BE A, UH, A USABLE FIT LOOKING FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES,

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THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, TO SAY THAT TO, TO, TO SAY THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE PUMP TRACK AND, UH, AND THE SKILLS TRACK HAD BENEFIT IN THAT AREA, UM, BECAUSE OF THE OTHER KIDS AS MENTIONED BY SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE GENERAL OVERALL WARD, ONE AREA, UM, THE, THE YOUTH THAT IS ENTIRELY ENCOMPASSING THAT AREA.

THE FACT THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE, HAVE WALKED THAT AREA.

I HAVE, UM, BEEN IN THAT, IN THAT PARK SEVERAL TIMES, UM, WITH MY OWN KIDS, UH, WHO ARE, WHO ARE 13 AND 17, UM, BECAUSE I'VE COACHED MANY OF THOSE KIDS AND LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL AND SOCCER THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA, UM, THAT MY FAMILY, YOU KNOW, VISITS AND RE AND RECREATES WITH, UH, ON A DAILY AND WEEKLY BASIS, UM, OUR CHILDREN IN THAT AREA, OUR YOUTH NEED SOMETHING TO DO.

MANY OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED, UH, OF THE, OF THE PAINT BALL, UH, ACTIVITY, THE GRAFFITI THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, DOWN AT, UH, AT FALLS CREEK PARK, WHICH MANY OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S AT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LONGFORD DOWN DIAL? UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS IT'S BEEN STATED HERE ON THE DIAS, WHEN WE ACTIVATE THESE LOCATIONS AND WE PUT CITY RESOURCES, UM, BEHIND IT, AND WE, AND WE MAKE IT AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO IN THERE AND, AND HAVE A GOOD TIME, UM, IN A PEACEFUL AND RESPECTFUL MANNER, YEAH.

MISCHIEF WILL FIND ITS WAY OUT.

UM, AND, AND THAT IS A, HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LONG-TERM PLAN IN THIS AREA.

UM, AS FAR AS DEER, UM, BATS, BIRDS, TURTLES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, I DIDN'T GROW UP HERE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS, GREW UP IN THE STRAIGHT STICKS, THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAD ONE ROAD IN ONE ROAD OUT, I WAS SURROUNDED BY NOTHING BUT TREES.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENTS STARTED COMING IN, UH, AND MY HOMETOWN, UM, AS ONE OF THE COUNTRY SONGS, YOU HEARD YOU, YOU START PUTTING, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE DOWN IN THE GRASSY AREAS.

UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE, I, I DON'T SEE THAT NOTHING HAS LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT OUR WILDLIFE IS GOING TO BE, IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

IF ANYTHING, I THINK WHAT THE RESEARCH HAS SHOWN IS THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE OUR WILDLIFE TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PROTECTED MORE BY MAKING SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT WILDLIFE LOOKS FOR IN THAT AREA WILL BE THERE.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN EVEN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS AREA DOES GET ACTIVATED, THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH ADDITIONAL BIRD FEEDERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO HELP THAT AREA MAINTAIN THE CONSERVATION AND NATURE APPROACH.

UM, SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GOOD WHERE YOU'RE STARTING TO GET THAT, THAT REGIONAL AND BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP AT AN AREA LIKE THIS.

UM, AND AGAIN, AS THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARKING AND DIFFERENT DESIGNS, UM, THAT, THAT GOES IN THERE.

UM, I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LOT CLOSER TODAY THAN WHAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO, UH, YOU KNOW, A MONTH AGO OR EVEN A WEEK AGO.

UM, I MEAN, UH, UNFORTUNATELY TONIGHT IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THIS.

I, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO MANY OF YOU AND I WAS WAITING FOR THAT UPDATED DESIGN WITH A LOT OF OUR CHANGES AND, AND CONCEPTS AND COMPROMISES AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO, UM, I WAS TAKEN BACK A LITTLE BIT, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ELIMINATING THINGS OUT? WE'RE, WE'RE ELIMINATING QUITE A BIT FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

UM, BUT IS THIS A COMPROMISE THAT I CAN LIVE WITH AS A PHASE ONE APPROACH? UH, YES, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MEETING IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HERE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE HERE.

I THINK WE REALLY CAME TO THAT MIDDLE GROUND.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN STATED MANY TIMES THAT THE SCHOOL COULD HAVE PUT A BUS BARN HERE.

THE SCHOOL COULD HAVE PUT A SCHOOL BUILDING HERE, A MAINTENANCE GARAGE W PRIOR TO 2016, AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE ABOUT IT.

SO I THINK LOOKING AT THAT CONSIDERATION, I HATE TO BE THAT BLUNT, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS THE TRUTH.

SO MANY OF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 CARS IN YOUR BACKYARD.

YOU COULD HAVE BEEN SEEING LOUD BUSES AND, AND A, AND A, AND A BUILDING AND KIDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

I MEAN, THE POSSIBILITY IS THAT THE SCHOOL COULD HAVE DONE WITH THAT PROPERTY HAD, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP, NOT TAKING PLACE AND STARTED IN 2016 AND 2017.

SO AGAIN, I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMPROMISE AND LOOK AT WORLD WAR II, I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD SPOT.

AND I KNOW I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND I,

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UM, AND ME PERSONALLY, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THIS AREA IS COMPLETELY ACTIVATED.

SO YOU, THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE WHAT TYPE OF IMPACT THAT HAS BEEN DONE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THE 10, 15 CARS THAT MAY COME IN THE ACTIVITY THE THAN THE NEWNESS OF THAT BEFORE WE, AS A CITY COUNCIL, AGAIN, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, SAY, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT A PLAYGROUND AND LET'S LOOK AT A GAZEBO.

UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS CHANGE IS HARD, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR MANY OF YOU WHO'VE LIVED THERE IN THAT AREA HAS BEEN COMPLETELY EMPTY FOR 20, 30, 40 YEARS, 47.

SO, AND INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY RIPPING OFF, RIPPING OFF THAT BANDAID, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO THIS IN SLOW, SLOW APPROACHES.

WE, WE START WITH THE PHASE ONE APPROACH WITH THE PARKING AND THE MOUNTAIN BIKE.

WE, WE WORK ON THE SIGNAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, PARKS CLOSE, YOU KNOW, UH, AN OPEN AT A CERTAIN TIME, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THEN WE, WE REVISIT THIS, UM, LET'S SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS AFTER IT'S OPENED.

AND THEN WE, AS A CITY COUNCIL SAYS, WHAT IS THE PHASE TWO APPROACH? THESE ARE THINGS THAT STAFF CAN BE WORKING ON IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO ALREADY HAVE THAT READY FOR A DISCUSSION TIME PERIOD, WHERE WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE CAN ADD A PLAYGROUND, A HALF BASKETBALL COURT, BENCHES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU, THE RESIDENTS AND SAY, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT HAS THAT BEEN? YOU KNOW, UM, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION CAN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, DATA ON WHAT THEY'VE SEEN, WHAT THEY'VE DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT IN THAT PART.

UM, THEN IF IT HAS A NODE NEGATIVE IMPACT, WE, WE DON'T DO A PHASE TWO.

WE ARE STILL STUCK WITH PHASE ONE.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

I HATE TO BE THAT BLUNT, BUT YES, WE JUST WORRY ABOUT THINGS, NOT EVEN MENTIONED UNTIL WE GET TO THAT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT THAT COMES INTO PLAY.

SORRY, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP WHEN YOU CAME TO MY HOUSE, YOU AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT LEFT PROMISED ME THE MOON.

I MEAN, YOU WERE TO DO ANYTHING TO GET THIS WHOLE THING PUT IN.

I'M GLAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME TO THAT FIRST MEETING.

I COULDN'T BE HERE.

YOU WOULDN'T READ MY LETTER.

SO THAT WAS A WASTE.

I'M TOTALLY LOVING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE IN THE WOODS.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIS IDEA OF COMING IN THE SAME PLACE AND GOING OVER TO THAT RECTANGLE AND THEN PUTTING SOME TREES, BUSHES, WHATEVER.

UM, WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS.

YES, WE HAVE MET IN THE MIDDLE.

SO I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, SO, SO AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE ARE MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE ALL BEEN ABLE TO, TO LISTEN AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON, UM, MARIN.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY PERSONAL WAY FORWARD.

WE WOULD NEED MORE FEEDBACK, BUT THE REASON THEY'RE ACCEPTING OF MAYBE A GAZEBO AND A WALKING PATH IS BECAUSE THEY LIKE THAT BETTER THAN THE, THAN THE BIKE AMENITIES THAT WERE THERE.

UM, I'M AGAINST FACING THIS AS FAR AS MAKING THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PAVILION AND, UH, AND THE WALKING PATH SECONDARY, UH, THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR.

THEY WANT TO HAVE A FAMILY GATHERING AREA IN THAT PARK.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN TRAILS, BUT THEY WANT A COMMUNITY PARK.

SO WE SHOULDN'T BE WAITING FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKE PORTION TO BE DONE BEFORE WE DO THE COMMUNITY PARK.

SO A COUPLE ITEMS ABOUT THAT.

SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT THERE BECAUSE I THINK THE REASON THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'S, I MEAN, IF WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THIS AT ALL, THEY WOULD ALL BE HAPPY.

SO I THINK THE ISSUE IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPROMISE, SO TO SPEAK, THE, THE REASON THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK THE REASON THEY WERE ACCEPTING, AND I DON'T KNOW,

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SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE PARK, OR IF THEY STILL WANT TO BE OPEN GREEN SPACE AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE TRAILS THAT ARE HIDDEN.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION OR FEEDBACK FROM ANYBODY TO, TO, TO KNOW THAT A BASKETBALL COURT AND ALL THOSE THINGS IS WHAT THEY WANT THERE.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK FROM A W W SO WHAT I HAD SAID EARLIER WAS I THINK COUNCIL'S DECISION IS WE MOVE, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, AND THEN TAKES IT, THEN TAKE SOME TIME TO DESIGN ON A LATER WORK SESSION, COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS, SOME IDEAS, IT WILL BE ON AN AGENDA.

THE RESIDENTS CAN SHOW UP AND GIVE FEEDBACK.

AND IF THEY LOOK AT A DESIGN AND THEN THEY DECIDE, NOPE, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THERE.

WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE LOOK IN OUR GREEN SPACE.

THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

AND IF ALL DIAL PARK HAS EVER MEANT TO BE IS SOME MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS, AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

SO THE REASON I THINK THAT PHASING WORKS IS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT, WE'RE JUST NOT SURE YET WHAT THEY WANT.

WE'VE HEARD AND WE'VE, AND PEOPLE HAVE CERTAINLY SHOWED UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED ENOUGH WHERE I'M COMFORTABLE TODAY SAYING THEY WANT, THEY WANT A PLAYGROUND AND A GAZEBO THERE.

I THINK WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT AS AN OPTION IN TERMS OF THE COMPROMISE BETTER THAN THE BIKE STUFF.

IF I CAN MAKE A POINT, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE IN THE GALLERY HERE MENTIONED A BASKETBALL COURT.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE IN THE GALLERY HERE MENTIONED A TENNIS COURT.

THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED ON THE DAYS.

UH, WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THE SPACE, IT NEEDS TO HAVE AMENITIES THAT ARE FRIENDLY TO A VARIETY OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE A VARIETY OF THINGS YET.

SO THINGS SUCH AS PARK BENCHES, WALKING PATH, GAZEBO, ET CETERA, ALL POTENTIALLY ACCEPTABLE OPTIONS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE, UH, THAT THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CAME TODAY TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU PROPOSED.

I THINK THEY CAME TO TELL YOU THAT WHAT YOU PROPOSED IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

BUT BEING REALISTIC, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE SPACE.

SO GOING BACK TO THE POINT OF DEMANDING A GREEN SPACE WITH NO AMENITIES, MAYBE DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A VIABLE OPTION.

AND THEREFORE THEY WERE OPEN TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING OTHER THINGS WITH THAT SPACE.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE READY FOR YOU TO COME UP AND SAY, OKAY, AT THE NEXT WORKING SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PHASE TWO, BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO IT NOW.

SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE READY FOR THAT.

AND I AGREE WITH WAITING TO SEE HOW THINGS GO WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS IN THE WOODS BEFORE WE'RE READY TO ENTERTAIN, UM, SOMETHING, SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OPPOSED TO US GOING IN A DIRECTION OR WORKING ON IT, OR FROM TIME TO TIME YOU'RE COMING UP WITH, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE READY FOR YOU TO JUMP INTO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST MY WAY OF LOOKING AT WHAT I MEAN.

AS AN OPTION TO JUST DO THE MOUNTAIN TRAILS THERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE NEED OR THE DESIRE TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THERE FOR THE FAMILY, FOR PAVILION OR SOMETHING.

UM, I DID NOT MENTION A TENNIS COURT.

I DID NOT MENTION A BASKETBALL, BUT NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IN THIS IS NOT THE FIRST FORUM WE'VE HAD.

AND WHAT WE HAD DID HEAR FROM THE, THE, UH, TOWN HALL AND PREVIOUS MEETINGS IS PEOPLE WANTED A PARK.

IN FACT, WHEN THESE TWO GENTLEMEN INITIALLY BROUGHT UP ABOUT IMPROVING DIAL PARK, OUR KIDS AT ALL AGES DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY COULD USE.

SO IT WAS, AND PEOPLE DID SAY THEY WANT WALKING PATHS.

THEY WANT BENCHES.

SO WHAT I WAS PROPOSING WAS NOT ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CITIZENS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ASKED FOR.

SO, SO ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE COME BACK TO THIS FORUM RELATIVELY SOON AND START DISCUSSING ADDITIONAL AMENITIES? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? SEE IT AS AN ADDITIONAL AMENITY IT'S THE DISCUSSION HAS KIND OF DISCONNECTED HERE BECAUSE WHEN THIS PROPOSAL WAS BROUGHT TO US, IT INCLUDED THE PUMP TRACK, THE, THE BIKE TRAY, THE BIKE HOUSE AND THE MUMBA MATERIALS.

WELL, NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE

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SO PEOPLE CAN USE THAT PARK AS A COMMUNITY.

I AGREE.

SO I'M, SO I'LL ASK AGAIN, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE COME BACK TO A FORUM SUCH AS THIS VERY SOON TO DISCUSS ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE AS A COUNCIL FOR DEVELOPING THE GREEN SPACE? NO.

I THINK THAT, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY THE GREEN GREEN SPACE.

IT'S THE OPEN SPACE OUT FRONT WHERE THE GRASS IS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

UM, WHAT I WAS HOPING WAS THAT WHEN WE DESIGNED, CAME BACK WITH A DESIGN FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKE THAT WE LOOKED AT THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND PUT IN A CONCEPT THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHERE WE ENVISIONED THE PAVILION V.

THIS IS WHERE WE ENVISION THE, THE, WOULD YOU, AT WHAT POINT WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN SUGGESTIONS FROM THE GROUP HERE AS TO WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY MIGHT LIKE AND WHERE THEY SPECIFICALLY MIGHT LIKE IT? WELL, YOU HAVE TO START WITH THE CONCEPT AND THEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO THE CITIZENS AND SAY, DOES THIS WORK FOR YOU? BUT IF YOU DON'T PUT THAT INITIAL IDEA ON PAPER, THEN IT'S GOING TO PUSH IT OUT INTO THE FUTURE WAY INTO THE FUTURE.

UNTIL WE GET TO THAT AGAIN, YOU SUGGEST THAT WE COME BACK TO A FORUM SUCH AS THIS VERY SOON AND DISCUSS A NEW CONCEPT AS PROPOSED BY COUNCIL, A NEW CONCEPT, A NEW CONCEPT.

WELL, THE NEW CONCEPT BASICALLY IS GOING TO BE JUST TO COME UP WITH THE MAMBA PARK AND TAKE THE OTHER STUFF OUT THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING RIGHT.

SO FAR.

AND THEN THE TOTAL PICTURE OF A CONCEPT FOR THE, FOR THE PARK.

AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE DON'T HAVE TO FUND IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, BUT WE'RE PUTTING A PICTURE TOGETHER.

AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE COME BACK TO A FORUM LIKE THIS SOON TO DISCUSS THAT CONCEPT.

SO, OKAY.

SO LET MY RECOMMENDATION GOES BACK TO, I'LL JUST SAY WHAT KIND OF, I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, NOBODY SEEMS TO BE OPPOSED TO THE, IS THERE, THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE TRAILS, BUT THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THE TRAILS.

I THINK WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRAILS, THE RECOMMENDATION, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND COUNCIL TAKE A VOTE ON, ON THOSE TRAILS, IN THAT AREA TO START THAT PARTICULAR PIECE, I GO BACK AND I KNOW THAT IT'S STILL MY OPINION, THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE TO ALTERNATIVES TO THE PUMP TRACK AND THE BIKE PLAYGROUND.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION AROUND OTHER PARK AMENITIES, GAZEBO.

THAT WAS KIND OF THE, UM, HEY, IF WE NEED IT, IF THERE'S STILL DESIRE FOR PARK THERE FOR PARK SPACE, THEIR PARK AMENITIES THERE, THEN, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT I, I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ENOUGH PEOPLE BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE REASON THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS.

IF WE NEVER CAME TO THE PEOPLE AND HAD A PROPOSAL, EVERYBODY, NOBODY WOULD HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IN WARD ONE WOULD HAVE CAME TO THAT PODIUM AND SAID, WE NEED A GAZEBO.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET FROM ANYBODY.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRAILS.

AND THEN IF THERE IS A DESIRE FOR MORE EQUIPMENT THERE FOR MULTI-GENERATIONAL USE, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND I SAID, LONG TIME AGO, WE WILL ADD THAT TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION AGENDA, JUST LIKE THIS, IT'LL SAY DEL PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

AND AT THAT POINT I HOPE ALL OF YOU CONTINUE TO COME BACK AND SHOW UP AND WE GET INPUT AND WE GET FEEDBACK.

AND THEN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT GOES IN THERE, IF ANYTHING, AND IF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SAY, NO, I OKAY.

THE PARKING LOTS THERE, THE TRAILS THAT WORKED OUT FINE, BUT I STILL LIKE LOOKING AT JUST A BIG OPEN, EXPANSIVE OF GREEN SPACE.

THEN WE JUST HAVE A BIG OPEN OF GREEN SPACE.

IF THE DESIRE OF THE COMMITTEE AT THAT POINT IS TO PUT IN, I THINK WHAT, UM, LIKE MR. LYONS HAD SUGGESTED SOME JUNGLE GYMS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR KIDS TO PLAY ON SOME SWING SETS.

IF THERE'S A DESIRE THERE FOR THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AT THAT POINT.

BUT I THINK IT DOES HAVE TO COME BACK TO A, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS IS DONE AS A PHASE TWO LATER, OR AS PART OF A OVERALL CONCEPT TO INCLUDE THE TRAILS.

CAN YOU PLEASE PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW TIME AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M ACTUALLY I'M EVEN LOOK, I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M OPPOSED TO EVEN CALLING IT PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, BECAUSE PHASE TWO MAY NEVER HAPPEN BASED ON WHAT IT SAYS.

AND FEEDBACK IS

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PHASE TWO GIVES THE IDEA THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING IN ANOTHER SECTION OR AT ANOTHER TIME.

AND WE DON'T KNOW YET IF THAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T, I, AGAIN, I JUST, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S DEMAND FOR THAT.

I THINK IT'S BEEN AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

THAT'S THE WAY I'VE, THAT'S THE WAY I HAVE PERSONALLY UNDERSTOOD ALL THIS, ALL THIS DISCUSSION.

ONE LAST, MAYBE I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT BACK UP TO THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE ASSURED THAT THERE WILL BE PROPER BUFFER THAT THEY DON'T, THE NOISE DOES NOT IRRITATE THEM AS PROPERTY OWNERS.

WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ENOUGH ABOUT THAT.

THE OTHER PROJECT, SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE THERE.

AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO GO WITH FINE, BUT YOU GOT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

AND I THINK HAVE THEIR PROPERTY, IF THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

IN OUR DISCUSSION, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IS STILL AT A KIND OF A DESIGN BUILD PROCESS.

SO THE, THE TRAILS CAN STILL BE WHATEVER WE SAY AND THEY NEED TO BE, AND WE CAN ADD WHATEVER BUFFER WE WANT.

I I'M FOR, I SUPPORT AS MINIMAL IMPACT AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO STILL TO STILL GET THE JOB DONE.

AND WE CAN DESIGN THAT IN A WAY THAT IT'S NOT OBTRUSIVE TO THE PEOPLE THERE BY MAKING SURE THE TRAILS ARE WELL WITHIN THE WOODS.

NOT RIGHT OUT, ALONG THE EDGE OF THE WOODS WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

SO I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU A BIT.

SORRY.

I HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID, UM, AT THIS PRO PARK PROJECT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD TO MY UNDERSTANDING BY WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, THE SCHOOL CAN ACTUALLY USE IT FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT APPROVAL.

SO WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU STILL WANT THE PROPERTY.

AND THEY, AS MR. SHAW WAS SAYING, THEY COULD HAVE BUILT WHATEVER THEY WANTED ON THERE.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT'S THE SCHOOL.

SO THEY, IF THEY WANT IT TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, AT THIS POINT, THEY STILL NEED APPROVAL OR ANYTHING.

CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE CITY HAS TAKEN OWNERSHIP.

THE ONLY WAY THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD GET THAT PROPERTY BACK IS IF WE VIOLATED THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND PUT SOMETHING THERE OTHER THAN PARK ACTIVITY, RECORD RECREATION ACTIVITY, I THINK IS HOW IT'S READ IN THE, THESE RESTRICTIONS.

SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO GET THE PROPERTY BACK EITHER.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT IF WE WOULD BUILD, LIKE, IF WE, IF WE WOULD TRY TO BUILD BUILDING THERE OR A GAS STATION THAT DOESN'T SUIT RECREATIONAL USE, THE SCHOOL WOULD GET THE PROPERTY BACK FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO YOUR DRAWING BOARD AND COME UP WITH A PARKING SPACE.

DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? SO WHEN YOU COME UP WITH THIS PARKING SPACE OR OPTIONS, ARE YOU GOING TO NOW COME TO EACH ONE OF THESE HOMEOWNERS AND SEE IF IT APPROVES WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND LIVE WITH IT EVERY DAY? I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.

WE WOULD, WE WOULD, IT WOULD CERTAINLY COME BACK TO ANOTHER OPEN MEETING LIKE THIS, OR WE HAVE KIND OF A FINAL PLAN WHERE WE COULD COME BACK AND WE COULD DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT THE PLAN WAS WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE AND GET FEEDBACK THAT WAY.

UM, BUT I THINK MR MCCALSKY IS A CIVIL ENGINEER.

AND I THINK IF THIS COUNCIL GIVES HIM DIRECTION THAT SAYS THOSE PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE AS, UH, BUFFERED AS POSSIBLE, THEY NEED TO BE NON-OBTRUSIVE THEY NEEDED TO BE HIDDEN AS POSSIBLE.

WE NEED SHRUBS.

SO I'M KIND OF GIVING THIS DIRECTION TO MR. .

AS WE, AS WE'RE SITTING HERE, I HAVE FULL FAITH AND CONFIDENCE THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF DESIGN THAT, THAT WE WILL, THAT WE WILL SEE BACK.

UM, AND WORKING WITH THE DESIGN COMPANY TO, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA DESIGN THE TRAILS TO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE.

UM, I'VE I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT SCOTT WOULD BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S SUITABLE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, UH, YOU, YOU SAID, I MEAN, IF HE DOES IT, THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GOING TO FLY.

SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN GOOD SHAPE WITH THAT.

I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AND I THINK WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ENCROACH UPON THE RESIDENTS THAT'S LIVED AROUND THE, UH, UH, DESCRIBED ACREAGE, BUT SCOTT, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THAT YOU GAVE IN YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF THIS THAT ARE BEING ELIMINATED.

HAVE BICYCLE AMENITIES IN THIS CITY AND WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER PARK AREAS, OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY OWNS ABOUT WHERE THEY MAY FIT BETTER, WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE RIGHT SIZING AND RIGHT.

AND YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO STUDY THOSE AND DECIDE A PLACE FOR THEM.

DO YOU MEAN OTHER LOCATIONS, OTHER AREAS IN THIS PARK, OTHER LAND ON THAT? YES.

UM, SO W AS MENTIONED, WE STILL WANT TO

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PARK AID AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO YES, WE'LL LOOK AT AS MANY OPTIONS YEAH.

AS WE CAN.

AND IN REGARD TO THE PARKING, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK BEFORE A VOTE FOR US TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT? YES.

WE'LL BRING BACK A, UH, A BETTER DESIGN THAT MEETS SOME OF THE, UH, DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD HERE TONIGHT ABOUT BUFFERING AND, UH, PLACEMENT.

AND SO WE DON'T MISLEAD ANYONE.

COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT AMOUNT OF BUFFERING, UH, YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING BUFFERING? IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE RIGHT TYPES OF TREES AND SHRUBS, GRASSES THAT MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THE HEADLIGHTS ARE NOT FOCUSED AT ANY HOUSES.

UM, CERTAINLY IF THEY ARE POINTING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION THAT THEY ARE BLOCKED BY WHETHER IT'S MOUNDING.

UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, TREES AND SHRUBS, THE RIGHT TYPE OF PROVIDE A THAT, UH, IN THE WINTER TIME, STILL HOLD THERE.

IF YOU LOOK UP AT THE AQUATIC CENTER, SOME OF THOSE TYPE PLANTINGS ALONG THAT, UH, MOUND THERE, THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, SO THAT, UH, SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THAT AREA, WHAT THEY DON'T SEE IS A SEA OF ASPHALT WITH CARS.

AND THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION FROM THE DIOCESE AND IN THE AUDIENCE ABOUT, UH, FUTURE AMENITIES BEING PLACED ON THE PARK SITE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD GET OUR PARK MANAGER, UH, JOSH KING TO BE INVOLVED IN? YES, DEFINITELY.

AND IS JOSH KING GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, UH, BEFORE WE WOULD VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TO COME AND SPEAK? UH, YES.

YOU'LL BE A PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO SCOTT WOULD TWO WEEKS BE ENOUGH OR WOULD FOUR WEEKS TO MAKE THE PARKING CHA CHANGES AND THE BUFFERING TO TELL US CITIZENS TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME AND COME BACK AND WE'LL PLAN ON HAVING IT ON THAT MEETING.

I CAN HAVE A, UH, BASIC DESIGN WITHIN TWO WEEKS WITH THE CHANGING.

UM, SO THEY MAY NEED SOME FINAL ENGINEERING AFTER THAT, BUT SOMETHING TO PRESENT, WE CAN HAVE THAT IN TWO WEEKS, I'M IN FAVOR OF PARKING THIS FOR TWO WEEKS, OR W WHAT, WHAT ARE SCOTT NEEDS FOR THOSE CORRECTIVE CHANGES TO BE MADE? WE REVIEW IT WITH THE CITIZENS AND SEE IF THEY'RE STILL HAPPY WITH THAT CONCEPT.

I THINK SO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, SO FOREVER ONE LISTEN.

SO TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY WOULD BE ANOTHER WORD, ANOTHER WORK SESSION.

SO AT THAT WORK SESSION, WE WOULD HAVE, UH, BASED ON, ON SCOTT'S DISCUSSION, WE WOULD HAVE A VERY GOOD PARKING CONCEPT.

IT WOULD STILL NEED FINAL ENGINEERING, BUT A VERY GOOD PARKING CONCEPT WITH PICTURES AND GRAPHICS OF THE BUFFERING AND TREES AND PLANTINGS AND TRUBS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

SO WE WILL HAVE THAT AT THAT, AT THAT MEETING.

UM, BUT I THINK W SO IN DISCUSSION WITH MR. ROGERS HERE, OUR CLERK WHO KEEPS US ON TRACK WITH EVERYTHING, UM, WE HIT JUNE.

SO FOR COUNCILS SAY WE HAVE LEGISLATION AND FUNDING APPROPRIATE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH, UH, WITH THAT PARTICULAR PIECE, BECAUSE PART OF THAT LEGISLATION, THAT FUNDING KIND OF SPECIFIED THAT WE APPROVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO THIS PARTICULAR PARK SPACE.

SO THAT MONEY IS NOT GOING TO THIS TRAILER PARK SPACE AND MAY END UP IN SOME OF THE PLACES IN THE CITY.

WE NEED TO EITHER AMEND THE LEGISLATION, BRING IT BACK DRAW, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE OF THAT WOULD BE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE LEGISLATION WE'VE PASSED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THAT MONEY IS, IS APPROVED TO GO THERE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO FIX THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE IN LEGISLATION, THAT'S PENDING AT A THIRD READING ON MONDAY'S MEETING, UH, WOULD, UH, AWARD CONTRACTS FOR THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN FOR DIAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHICH INCLUDED THE PUMP TRACK AND ALL OF THAT, UH, PROBABLY THE CLEANEST WAY WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL TO JUST, UM, HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ACTION INDEFINITELY ON THAT ITEM, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY KILL THE LEGISLATION.

AND ONCE THE FINAL CONCEPT FOR THE DIAL PARTNER IMPROVEMENTS GOING WITH THIS PLAN IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE JUST BRING NEW LEGISLATION FORTH ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR FIRST READING FOR CONSIDERATION AND COUNCIL COULD CHOOSE TO ACT ON THAT AT THAT TIME.

I THINK THAT'D BE THE CLEANEST AND MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO FORWARD.

THANKS TONY.

SO, YEAH, SO, OKAY.

SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE

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ACTION TO TAKE.

SO MONDAY'S COUNT, CAUSE THIS WOULD BE A THIRD READING AT MONDAY'S MEETING.

UH, SCOTT WAKOWSKI IN REGARDS TO THE BUFFERING, HOW MUCH OF THAT WORK IS DONE WAS THAT INCORPORATED IN THE PASS? IT WAS NOT.

UM, THERE WERE JUST SOME BASIC CONCEPTS FOR SOME, UH, POTENTIAL BUFFERING.

UM, IT WOULD NOT TAKE MUCH WORK TO COME UP WITH A FINAL PLAN AND FINAL PLANTING PLAN.

SO THE LEGISLATION THAT'S PENDING TONY, UH, WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO DO WHAT IT HAS, UH, UH, IT ACTUALLY AWARDS CONTRACTS FOR THE ORIGINAL DIAL PARK IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES THE AMENITIES THAT ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE DIRECTION DISCUSSED JERRY MCDONALD, JUST ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.

UH, COULD THAT LEGISLATION STAY IN PLACE? COULD WE AWARD THE CONTRACT FOR THE PIECE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT BY AMENDING THE LEGISLATION? YES, SIR.

I BELIEVE SO.

AND WOULD THAT CONTRACTOR BE THE COMPANY THAT WOULD DO THE BUFFERING? PROBABLY NOT.

WE WOULDN'T GET A LANDSCAPER, A CONTRACTOR FOR THAT.

WE WOULD GET MORE QUOTES ON THAT.

UM, THE PIECE OF WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT BID WOULD BE THE TRAILS THEMSELVES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

SO WE HAVE THE LEGISLATION NECESSARY AND COULD AMEND THAT LEGISLATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PIECE.

AND YOU COULD HAVE PROVIDED TO US THE BUFFERING AND THE PARKING AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THANKS, MR. MASON, MR. MUMBAI, I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME.

COULD YOU ALSO GET US? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MARK.

COULD YOU GET US MORE OF A SCHEMATIC DRAWING OF THE WOODS AND LIKE COMING IN AT LIKE HERE'S A FIVE FEET DRAWLING IN FROM THE EDGE OF THE WOODS.

SO WE HAVE MORE OF A BUFFERING IN THE WOODS.

MAYBE IT'S FIVE, MAYBE IT'S 10.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, I DESIGNED THE TRAIL SYSTEM, BUT I AM NOT BIDDING ON THE PROJECT OR GOING TO BE DOING ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION JUST TO BE CLEAR.

UM, SO WHAT I PROVIDED FREE TO THE CITY WAS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.

UM, MY HOPE IS THAT YOU SELECT A CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT HAS THE RIGHT RFPS.

RFQ IS ALL THAT STUFF.

UM, IS PART OF THE PROFESSIONAL TRAIL BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT TO SUCCESSFULLY BUILD OUT YOUR PROJECT, COULD YOU HELP US GUIDE THAT WERE, HAD THAT BUFFERING BETWEEN LIKE SAY A 15 FOOT BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WHEN SHE SAYS SHE'S NOT BOTHERED? CORRECT.

SO THE BUFFERING FROM THE TRAILS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE BUFFERING FROM THE PARKING LOT.

UM, I THINK WITH THE BUFFERING, WITH THE NEIGHBORS, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO WORK WITH SOME OF OUR, UH, LIKE, UM, BRUCKER NATURE, NONPROFIT, SORRY, I'M KIND OF NERVOUS UP HERE, BUT SOME OF THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE COMPANIES TO PROVIDE, UH, SOME OF THE NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT PROJECT.

UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ALLOCATED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO OUT BUDGET AND DO ALL YOUR STUFF.

SO, BUT YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY HELP WITH COMING UP WITH SOME APPROPRIATE PLANTINGS FOR THAT SITE.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, POP HOT SPICE, BUSH STUFF THAT'S ALREADY WOULD GROW IN A SHADE LOCATION, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT SCOTT'S TALKING ABOUT OR BUFFERING FOR THE PARKING LOT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE YOUR TRADITIONAL LANDSCAPE PLANTS.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE TRAILS THAT CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAILS ARE SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BOTHERING THEM.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON LIKE THE, THE SETBACK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

DID YOU DRAW THE GREEN LINES IN THAT? I DID.

I DREW ALL THOSE LINES.

MAYBE YOU COULD JUST CHECK YOUR WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT MAKE SURE THERE'S LIKE 15 BEATS.

LIKE THERE'S, WHENEVER THAT PARAMETER IS SET, I'D HAVE TO WHAT, UH, YEAH, I COULD DO THOSE MEASUREMENTS FOR YOU THOUGH.

SCOTT BELL KOSKI DID A PARK MANAGER, JOSH KING WORK WITH THE BITTERS AND YES, ON THIS AND IS ALL OF WHAT KATE BRINGS UP IN ADDITION TO THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT, UH, SOMETHING SCOTT WILL QUARTERBACK AND MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE ALONG WITH YES, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT JOSH WILL BE INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN AND WILL HELP US IN THE PROJECT.

YES, THANKS.

A MAJORITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO MOVE IT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE NEXT, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND KEEP THE LEGISLATION THE NECESSARY AMENDMENTS ARE MADE ONCE JOSH KING AND STAFF HAS DONE HIS HOMEWORK AND YOU'VE GIVEN US THE PRESENTATION, SCOTT.

SO I THINK WE'VE HEARD, UH, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO MOVE FORWARD AND WANT A MINI LEGISLATION, ONE TABLING LEGISLATION, AND THEN ADDING NEW LEGISLATION.

ONCE WE HAVE THE DESIGN.

SO OUT OF, OUT OF THOSE TWO, THE OTHERS SEVEN OF YOU HERE, SO WE STILL WOULD NEED, UM, A RECOMMENDATION IN A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD AND

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SO TELL ME WHAT THAT, SO AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHEN THAT JUST REQUIRED, MOVING FROM A THIRD TO A FOURTH READING, AND THEN WE, IF THAT'S THE COURSE OF ACTION, YOU'D WANT TO TAKE YOU, I WOULD JUST BE MOVING INTO A FOURTH ROOM.

AMANDA, YOU HAVE, WHEN THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO AMEND IT.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THERE'S TOO MANY UNKNOWNS TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE LEGISLATION.

YES, TONY, HAVE WE EVER MOVED SOMETHING INTO A THIRD, FOURTH OR FIFTH READING RIBET UP TO SEVEN AND AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO US AT A TIME THAT WE COULD MAKE THE NECESSARY AMENDMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? AS LONG AS MR. FEELS THAT THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO DO SO, AND NO MATTER WHAT THE TIMEFRAME YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH FACTS THAT WE CAN AMEND THE LEGISLATION WITH, RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND WE, AND I, WE GET COUNSEL'S OPINION, THAT'S AN OFFER ONE LAST TIME.

IS ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL WITH? YES.

UM, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THIS WEEK, YOU WERE OUT IN FRONT OF THE GREEN SPACE, BUT NOBODY COME TO TALK TO US.

THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE BIKE PARK OR THE REAR OF THE BIKE PARK.

SO, OR THE MOUNTAIN TRAILS, I SHOULD SAY.

SO I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS THAT WHY NO ONE COME DOWN TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT? WELL, I THINK THE RESIDENTS THAT I SPOKE TO, I THINK WERE JUST MY OWN MIND, UH, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF WAS THE ONES I FELT WAS MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED BECAUSE THEIR BACKYARDS WERE RIGHT WHERE ALL THOSE AMENITIES WERE, WE'RE GOING TO GO.

AND I THINK STILL IN MY MIND, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE DESIGN AND THE BUFFER OF THE, OF THE TRAILS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE BY ANYBODY.

THAT THAT'S MY OPINION.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION IN THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE TRAILS THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING THEM FROM YOUR PROPERTY.

UM, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SANDAL VIEW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET NOTIFICATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING AND I, AND WE ALL BACK UP TO THE PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY.

I DON'T KNOW.

CAN WE, IN THE PAST, WE'VE ENLARGE THAT AREA OF NOTIFICATION.

CAN WE DO IT THIS TIME? YES.

AND I KNOW THERE, UM, THERE WERE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WENT OUT AND SANDAL VIEW, UM, MAY HAVE JUST BEEN ONE SIDE OF THE STREETS OF ST.

LOUIS, BUT YES, WE CAN EXPAND THAT ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THIS WOULD, THAT THIS WOULD THEN TAKE PLACE.

SO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, SO THIS, SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE AND YOU LOOK AT THE COUNSELING, WE'LL HAVE ON MONDAY, THE DOWEL PARK IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA.

BUT WHEN THAT AGENDA ITEM COMES UP, THE RECOMMENDATION, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED AT THE WORK SESSION.

THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MOVE TO A, WE HAD A THIRD NOW FOR THREE OR FOUR, THREE, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY ACTION TAKEN AT THIS COUNCIL MEETING.

THEN THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY, WHICH WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, IT WILL BE ON THIS AGENDA AGAIN.

AND AT THAT TIME, WE WILL HAVE, THE EXPECTATION IS PARKING NORTHERN PARK AMENDMENTS, JUST THE PARKING, THE BUFFERING AND THE TRAILS.

AND THEN THAT DISCUSSION, CERTAINLY WHEN ALL OF YOU TO COME BACK AND YOU TERMINATE CAN COME TO THE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT THERE WON'T BE THIS LEVEL OF DISCUSSION AT THE COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION.

IT'S GOING TO BE MOVED TO, TO ANOTHER MOVE, TO ANOTHER READING.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDER, KIND OF HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO BE AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

SO, UM, THEN AGAIN, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION, MORE DISCUSSION.

WE'LL HAVE MORE VISUALS, WE'LL HAVE MORE PICTURES, MORE DESIGN, MORE DRAWINGS, ALL THOSE THINGS WE CAN DISCUSS FROM THEN, AND THEN AT THE WORK SESSION, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, THERE'LL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO EITHER MOVE IT TO THAT NEXT MONDAY, MEETING FOR APPROVAL.

IF THERE ALL KINDS OF ISSUES AND SCOTT DOESN'T DO IT, WE'VE ASKED AND WE HAVE TO DO A FIFTH READING.

WE WILL,

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SO NOW HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT PROCESS.

WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AND HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD FROM, FROM THIS POINT ON? UM, I KNOW THAT NORMALLY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK AT THE WORKING SESSION.

SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED, I THINK BEFOREHAND OR RIGHT BEFOREHAND.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE AN OPTION SINCE IT'S NOT NORMALLY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING? SO LET ME JUST SO REAL QUICK.

UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE SAY THAT WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO PUBLIC COMMENTARY TO WORK SESSION, MOST OF THE WORK SESSION, UM, COMMENTARY IS ABOUT IT'S.

I MEAN, LOOK, I MEAN, A LOT OF CITY COUNCIL ISSUES AND ITEMS ARE VERY MUNDANE.

IT'S APPROPRIATING MONEY FOR POLICE AND FIRE ON THINGS.

THEY NEED BUYING ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO COMMENTARY BECAUSE AT OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, THERE'S TWO SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO COMMUNICATE.

AND ONE OF THOSE IS SO WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT CAN REGISTER TO SPEAK ON, ON ANYTHING THEY WANT.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON A COUNCIL AGENDA AND YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT RED, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BLUE, RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT IS, UH, CITIZENS WHO WANT TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA.

BUT ANYTIME THAT WE HAVE HOT DISCUSSIONS, HOT TOPICS LIKE THIS, UH, I, I'M NOT OPPOSED AT ALL.

UH, I ENCOURAGE IT GETTING FEEDBACK AT THE WORK SESSION BECAUSE THIS DISCUSSION IS WHAT HELPS GUIDE THE LEGISLATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, IF YOU WANT TO SHOW UP AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND REGISTER TO SPEAK ON IT, IT WOULD BE ON AN AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE IT IS ON THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO MOVE TO ANOTHER READING, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME AND FREE TO SPEAK THERE AS WELL.

SO, UM, BUT YES, I MEAN, I ENCOURAGE PUB PUBLIC COMMENTARY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE ITEMS LIKE THIS, WHERE WE'RE KIND OF DESIGN BUILDING THE PROCESS AS WE MOVE ALONG, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENTARY ABOUT THE PURCHASE OF NEW BULLET PROFESS.

CAUSE SO THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE KEEP PUBLIC COMMENTARY TO A MINIMUM AND REGULAR WORK SESSION VERSUS NATURAL COUNSELING.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING FORWARD? UM, THIS TO A, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING TO BE MOVED ON TO A FOURTH READING, AND THEN WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WE HAVE MORE DESIGN, UM, MORE DETAILS ON THE TRAILS AND THE, AND THE PARKING SPACES IS EVERYONE CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE, HOW WE'RE MOVING THIS PROCESS FORWARD.

IS THERE ANY, NO OBJECTIONS AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'LL, THAT'S HOW WE'LL PROCEED WITH THIS.

WE HAVE LOTS OF OTHER GOOD STUFF ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT.

BUT IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

THANK YOU FOR COMING GUYS.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

YOU DO MATTER IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN TORNADO SIRENS, THE NEXT ONE LET ME FINISH FIRST.

IT HURT TO GET RID OF HER.

JUST ROLLED ME RIGHT OUT OF THAT BOWL.

THREE C, WHICH IS EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS. UM, I THINK THERE'S A REASON THAT, UH, CHIEF ISLEY IS HERE.

NEXT EPISODE, IN

[ Emergency Notification Systems]

SO SCOTT I'LL JUST DEFER TO HIM.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PLEASE DO CHIEF.

THANKS.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, IT'S BEEN A WEEK, BUT IT'S BEEN A MINUTE, BUT THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR HANGING OUT.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

I CAN GIVE YOU A SYNOPSIS OF, UH, KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

UH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FIRST, I'LL BE GLAD TO.

AND WHICH BROUGHT UP LOTS OF DISCUSSION AND CHATTER REGARDING OUR EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM.

SO, SO, AND TO CLARIFY, MR. HILL HAD CONTACTED ME AND ACTUALLY HAD REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BEYOND THE AGENDA, UM, BASED ON THE STORMS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD KIND OF A LITTLE SCARE HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO

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AND, UH, SO MR. HILL WANTED TO ADD THAT I'M GOING TO CALL YOU ANDY AT THESE MEETINGS AND INDEED, UH, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS CERTAINLY WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION, UH, WHEN TO PUT ON THE AGENDA AND GOT WITH SCOTT TO MAKE SURE THE CHIEF WAS HERE.

SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UH, ANDY ELDEST TURNED REVIEW AND LET YOU, UH, UH, START THE DISCUSSION BASED ON, ON YOUR REQUEST FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO I REALLY JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE TO KIND OF GET A BRIEFING ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING, THINGS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IPOD SYSTEM, I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN KIND OF GETTING MORE, UM, INFORMATION OUT TO THE CITIZENS ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT ALSO I WANTED TO LOOK MORE INTO, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF, OF ADDING MORE SIRENS, BECAUSE WITH JUST HAVING ONE ON THE NORTH AND ONE ON THE SOUTH, THERE'S DEFINITELY A, A GROUP OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN MY WARD, THEY CAN'T HEAR EITHER OF THOSE, UM, UNLESS IT'S A REALLY GOOD DAY AND I'M STANDING OUTSIDE, BUT, BUT I DIGRESS.

SO YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF GIVE US A SYNOPSIS FIRST.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

SO, UH, THE, THE F THE FIRST THING IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE INTO THIS CODE RED, AND THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF TALK, A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF CONJECTURE THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF FACT ON HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

UM, AND THE FIRST THING IS, IS THAT THE FIRE CHIEF, I DON'T DICTATE POLICY.

WE CARRY OUT THE, OF, OF ALL OF YOU WHO GET YOUR DIRECTION FROM THE CITIZENRY.

UM, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE, AND THE REASON WHY I LIKE CODE RED WEATHER IS COVERT WEATHER ACTUALLY PROTECTED BY FAMILY.

IN MAY OF 2019.

I LIVE IN THE HOUSE.

I BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT I GREW UP IN, AND, YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS BUILT THE HOUSE 30 SOME YEARS AGO.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A TORNADO COME THROUGH.

THE TORNADOES, CAME THROUGH TWO PROPERTIES AWAY FROM MINE IS WHERE THE DAMAGE WAS.

UH, A DAY BEFORE I WAS WALKED TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE, UH, HAD A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE AND IT WAS DESTROYED.

HOW DID I GET ALERTED THAT WE HAD STORMS COMING THROUGH CODE RED, WHETHER THAT WAS SET UP FOR 7,008 BRAND PIKE, WHICH IS STATION JOINT TWO, I HAD A GOOD 15 MINUTE HEAD START THAT STORMS WERE COMING THROUGH OUR AREA.

AND THAT'S THAT 10, 15 MINUTES IS FOR THE STORM TO HIT BRANT PIPE WHERE IT ACTUALLY, BEFORE IT HIT MY HOUSE.

SO I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN THE CODE RED SYSTEM.

UH, ONE OF OUR WEAKNESSES THAT WE HAVE WITH CODE RED IS HAVING PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THIS.

UH, THE LATEST DATA THAT I GOT AS OF JUNE 21ST IS THERE'S ONLY 6,323 PEOPLE.

AND UBER RIDES THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR CODE RED WEATHER IS THAT 6,323.

AND ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE SIGNING UP FROM THE WEBSITE IS 6,321.

SO THERE'S TWO MORE PEOPLE, WHICH ARE PROBABLY EMPLOYEES THAT WE ENROLLED INTO THE SYSTEM.

SO DOING, LOOKING AT THE CENSUS DATA, THAT THAT'S LESS THAN 25% OF THE PEOPLE ABOVE THE AGE OF 18, UH, CHIEF RUSSELL AND I WERE HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, WELL, HOW DOES THE SCHOOL GET THEIR MESSAGE OUT? AND THEY HAVE LIKE A ONE-CALL TYPE OF SYSTEM.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT LESS PEOPLE ENROLLED IN THE HUBERT CITY SCHOOLS THAN WHAT LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, TALKING TO, UH, GARY DOLE.

UM, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE ABOUT 7,000 PEOPLE, ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE, OF THE FAMILIES ENROLLED IN, IN ONE CALL ARE, OR ELIGIBLE ARE ENROLLED IN ONE CALL.

SO THE ONE THING GARY ASKED US TO DO OR AF OFFERED US UP TO US WAS, IS THEY WOULD SEND OUT A BLAST.

SO IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, I WAS ABLE TO SET UP A TEXT TO ENROLL INTO THE CODE RED PROGRAM.

SO IF SOMEBODY WOULD SEND A TEXT MESSAGE TO NINE, NINE, OR ONE 11, AND THEY TYPE IN THE MESSAGE, H H CODE RED WITH NO SPACES THAT WILL TAKE THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET ENROLLED, UH, TO WHERE YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR ALL THE ACTIVE ALERTS.

SO CODE RED IS JUST ONE PRONG OF OUR SYSTEM, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU NEED TO HAVE A MULTIFACETED, UH, UH, SYSTEM, TORNADO SIRENS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE THEM.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEM.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THE TORNADO SIRENS, TORNADO SIRENS ARE NOT EVEN, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN CALL THEM TORNADO SIRENS ANYMORE.

FEMA NOW CALLS THEM WARNING SIRENS.

SO, UH, THE LAST GRANT THAT WENT THROUGH, WE DID NOT WRITE FOR A TORNADO SIREN.

MONTGOMERY COUNTY PROVIDED VERY GOOD DIRECTION AND HAD EVERYBODY WRITE FOR A WARNING SIREN.

AND THAT'S HOW MONTGOMERY COUNTY WAS SO SUCCESSFUL.

SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE TWO SYSTEMS, WE HAVE OUR CODE RED WITH CODE RED, UH, THE WEATHER WARNINGS ACTUALLY COME THROUGH FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

I LIKE, YES.

SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND YOU CAN GET ANY ONE OF THOSE MESSAGES.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

IS THIS A TEXT MESSAGE THAT COMES ON PEOPLE'S HOMES? IT CAN BE A TEXT MESSAGE.

IT CAN BE WE A TELEPHONE CALL TO A MOBILE PHONE OR TO YOUR HOME PHONE, OR YOU CAN HAVE IT SET UP.

I HAD A RETIRED EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY CALLED AND SAID, COULD YOU PLEASE GET IT TO WHERE I ONLY GET ONE PHONE CALL? AND WE SENT AN EMAIL OUT WITHIN 10 MINUTES.

WE HAD THAT PERSON'S HOME PHONE AND A TEXT MESSAGING, OR A MOBILE DEVICE SHUT OFF.

AND ALL THEY WERE GETTING WAS THE TEXT.

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THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

UM, SO LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE, LOOKING AT WHAT THE, WITH CODE RED WAS, AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FURTHER INTO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? I THINK IT WAS IN 2013 OR THE INTEGRATED PUBLIC ALERT WARNING SYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED.

THAT IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ON OUR CELL PHONES, WHERE WE GET, UM, UM, AMBER ALERTS, SILVER, UH, IS IT SILVER ALERTS, UH, OTHER, OTHER EMERGENCY WARNING SYSTEMS. SO WHAT'S NEAT ABOUT THAT SYSTEM IS, IS OUR WEAKNESSES IS TRYING TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT, YOU KNOW, GET THE MESSAGE OUT, HAVE PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR OUR SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN OUR WEAKNESS.

LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 24%.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING THE TEXT MESSAGE THING IS A NEW THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS THE TEXT TO ENROLL.

UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, WE HAVE A VERY GENEROUS CITIZEN WHO KEEPS COMING UP WITH A DATE AND DRAGONS TICKETS FOR US TO TRY TO FIND NEW WAYS OF PROMOTING SOMETHING.

AND, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO A LITTLE CAMPAIGN, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO TEXT, TO ENROLL IN CODE RED, TO WIN SO MANY DRAGONS TICKETS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, BUT THE IPOD SYSTEM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENROLL IN.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOUR PHONE.

I BELIEVE IT'S A DEFAULT WHEN YOU GET A PHONE THAT THESE EYEBALLS WARNINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY TURNED ON.

UM, SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS OUR CODE RED SYSTEM THAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR.

THEY HAVE OFFERED TO GIVE US EYEBALLS FOR FREE.

SO ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT IT IS, IS WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR A SYSTEM.

LET'S GET THE, AS MR. SHAW WOULD SAY THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK OUT OF THIS THING.

AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

UH, THE GLITCH THAT WE'VE RUN INTO WITH THE IPOS SYSTEM AND THE IPOS WOULD BE AUTOMATED.

WEATHER WARNING GOES OUT FOR HUBER HEIGHTS WHERE A CUSTOMER, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SEND.

I PAUSE WARNING OUT TO ANYBODY IN THE AREA THAT'S CONNECTED TO A CELL PHONE NETWORK.

SO IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ALERT YOU WHETHER YOU WANT THE ALERTS OR NOT.

AS LONG AS THAT ALERT IN THOSE FEATURES TURNED ON YOUR PHONE, YOU WOULD GET THE ALERT.

THE FIRST HICCUP WE'VE RUN INTO IS, IS, IS THAT THE, UH, FEMA OR THE FED'S POINT IS TO THE STATE WHO THEN POINTED TO THE COUNTY, UM, RIGHT NOW MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, OR I SHOULD SAY MONTGOMERY COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT INTEGRATING, I PAUSE.

THE STATE HAS INTEREST IN NOT HAVING TOO MANY IPOS OPERATORS OUT THERE, MEANING THEY DON'T WANT US SENDING OUT AN ALERT AND THEN, UH, SENDING OUT AN ALERT AND THEN MONTGOMERY COUNTY SAYING ALERT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HOW MANY PEOPLE LEARNING, UH, WE'RE IN INDIA, INTERESTING SITUATION, BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE IN MIAMI COUNTY AND WE'RE GUMTREE COUNTY.

SO MCLAREN EVERY COUNTY SYSTEM, WHEN THEY'RE UP AND RUNNING ON, I PAUSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMPLETE BENEFIT OF IT.

WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IS, IS, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH CAPTAIN WHEELER AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, TRYING TO GET THEM TO, TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THE STATE, ALLOW US TO BE AN EYEBALLS OPERATOR THAT WAY.

I JUST THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A BENEFIT TO US BEING AN EYEBALLS OPERATOR.

UH, WE HAD A MISSING PERSON TODAY, UH, THAT WENT OUT THERE.

THERE'S A FEW SPECIFIED REASONS WHY WE COULD SEND OUT EMERGENCY ALERTS ON OUR OWN WE'RE I FEEL WE'RE A BIG ENOUGH COMMUNICATION CENTER.

UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SAYS, NO, THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY PORTION OF US COULD BE COVERED BY ALL.

I PAUSE GETTING AUTOMATED WEATHER ALERTS SENT OUT TO THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH MIAMI COUNTY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.

SO WE'RE ACTIVELY DOING THIS.

I PAUSE THEN WHAT I LOVE ABOUT IT IS IS THERE IS NO ENROLLING IT'S IT'S, IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE.

NOW YOU MIGHT SAY, OKAY, TORNADO SIRENS, TORNADO SIRENS ARE GONNA SAVE US.

MY PROBLEM WITH TORNADO SIRENS.

AND THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE WITH TORNADO SIRENS IS, IS WE NEED A LOT OF THEM.

YOU KNOW, CHIEF ASHWORTH PLAN CALLED FOR SEVEN TO NINE OF THEM, ABOUT NINE TO COVER THE WHOLE CITY.

EVEN IF WE HAD IT NINE, THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH TORNADO SIRENS IS IF YOU HAVE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS, TORNADOES COMING THROUGH IT, THE NIGHT THAT SIREN MAY NOT EVER ALERT YOU, EVEN IF YOU HAVE ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU, BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE IS DESIGNED TO KEEP NOISES OUT AND TO KEEP ALL OF THAT.

THERE WAS THIS, THE STUDY OUT OF NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY IN APRIL, 2018, WHERE THEY LOOKED AT 48,000 TORNADOES.

ONE IN A ONE IN EVERY 20 TORNADOES AT NIGHT WAS DEADLY COMPARED TO ONE IN EVERY 15, THE, UH, DURING THE DAY.

SO YOU HAVE DOUBLE THE CHANCE OF HAVING SOMETHING BAD HAPPEN TO YOU WITH THE TORNADO WHILE YOU'RE ASLEEP THAN YOU ARE DURING THE DAY, KIND OF COMMON SENSE.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT WHEN WE GO WELL, WHETHER YOU DECIDE, OR WE DECIDE TO DO MORE TORNADO SIRENS, I HAVE QUOTES.

WE CAN GET THAT THING GOING RIGHT AWAY.

BUT I JUST LOOK AT GETTING PEOPLE ENROLLED INTO CODE, RIGHT? YOUR PHONE WILL RING, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SHAKE YOUR RINGERS OFF.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS, BUT THAT IS MY THING IS, IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IS TRYING TO GET THOSE PEOPLE ALERTED.

UM, THE, THE SIRENS ARE EXCELLENT FOR WHEN YOU'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THEM, OR WHEN YOU'RE OUT IN THE PUBLIC AREAS.

UH, I TALK TO CHIEF ASHWORTH A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SIRENS, BECAUSE I KNOW HE DID A LOT OF WORK.

I'VE GOT A LOT OF BOOKS

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HERE, UH, ON EVERYTHING THAT HE DID.

AND THE NEXT LOCATIONS FOR TORNADO SIRENS THAT HE HAD LAID OUT WAS FOR RIGHT AROUND WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL OR COMMUNITY PARK.

IT'D PROBABLY MAKE MORE SENSE FOR WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL, LONG AS THE SCHOOLS WOULD SIGN OFF ON IT.

WHY WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL OR COMMUNITY PARK, BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S POWER THERE AND WE KIND OF HAVE CONTROL OF THE LAND.

I'M SURE WE COULD ENTER INTO A REASONABLE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOLS TO PUT OUR TORNADO SIREN THERE.

IT BENEFITS THEM AND IT BENEFITS US.

UM, AND THEN THE NEXT PLACE WAS, UH, THE CHIEF ASHWORTH HAD WRITTEN DOWN WAS GARY SHERMAN PARK.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT AS AN OPTION AS WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW AMENITIES WOULD BE IS, IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AN AMENITY, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ANOTHER AMENITY, MAYBE YOU PUT THE TORNADO SIREN THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THE $32,000 COSTS AND MAKE THAT PART OF YOUR OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THEN IT'S THERE IN A PUBLIC, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, PROPERTY AND HOW AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF IN AS CODE RED.

WE REALLY NEED THE NUMBERS TO ME.

I MEAN, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE OUR NUMBERS FOR CODE RED INCREASE.

IT'S FREE.

UH, THE, I PAUSE THING THAT'S ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW BY MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

AND, UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IT.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY, AS LONG AS THE SHERIFF OR HIS DESIGNEE WOULD SIGN OFF ON US BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE AS WHAT THE APPETITE IS TO INVEST IN MORE TORNADO SIRENS THAT, UH, THE $32,000.

I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE COST RIGHT NOW.

UH, IT'S NOT MORE THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SIREN A YEAR.

UM, I THINK THE FIRST YEAR WHEN THEY WERE UNDER WARRANTY, WE MAY NOT HAVE HAD MAINTENANCE DONE.

AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE WENT OUT, WE FOUND LIKE THERE WAS A HOLE THAT WASN'T DRILLED IN THE BOTTOM TO ALLOW WATER TO, TO SEEK THROUGH AND, AND ALL THAT.

SO, UH, THE MAINTENANCE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY WE'RE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT ON AND WE'RE ACTIVELY DOING IT.

SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A ONE AND DONE.

THERE IS A, THERE IS A RECURRING COST WITH IT.

SO, UH, WITHOUT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY, CHIEF WAS AT 30, 30, 2000.

THAT'S WHERE THE SIRENS AT THE INSTALLATION, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS GETTING A SIREN UP AND WORKING IS 32,000.

I ASKED FOR A TURNKEY, UH, QUOTES AND IT'S, UH, IT'S SIMILAR.

IT'S NOT THE SAME, IT'S NOT THE SAME SIREN WE HAVE NOW $32,200 AND 94 CENTS IS THAT QUOTE THAT I GOT ON JUNE 21ST.

AND THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HIRE TRAFFIC CONTROL PEOPLE OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THAT.

THAT'S A OPEN SITE WHERE THERE'S POWER NEARBY.

MORE QUESTIONS PLEASE.

AND SO YOU CAN DETAIL YOUR CODE RED SYSTEM TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

CAN YOU EDUCATE ME ON THE LOCATIONS OF THE SIRENS THAT WE HAVE NOW AND HOW MANY? YEAH, SO WE HAVE TWO SIRENS.

ONE IS A TOM CLOUD PARK AND THE OTHER ONE, I GUESS IT'S RIGHT BY THE AQUATIC CENTER OR THE EICHELBERGER, UH, MUSIC, UH, UM, AREA IS, UH, IS WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT.

UH, EACH SIREN WILL COVER ABOUT A 1.2, ONE MILE RADIUS OR ABOUT 4.6, TWO SQUARE MILES.

AND THAT'S WITH A 70 DECIMAL, UH, 70 DECIBEL VOLUME, UH, WHICH MEANS A FEMA GUIDELINES.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THE MAPS THAT, UH, THAT CHIEF ASHWORTH HAD MADE WAS YOU'D HAVE NINE SIRENS.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH NINE SIRENS TOO, IS, UH, ASIDE FROM THE NUMBER OF THE SIRENS IS FINDING PUBLIC LAND OR PLACES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT THERE WITHOUT CHARGING US, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CELL PHONE TOWER, MY BACKYARD TYPE OF MONEY, AND THE REASON.

SO THE, THE REASON WE PUT TWO W SO WHEN A CLOUD ONE, IT, OR ONE OF THE AQUATICS OR THAT AREA IS I, YOU KNOW, WE WERE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE CELL PHONES, OR THEY'RE SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE TO THEM.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR WARNINGS ARE GONNA COME FROM.

AND THE TORNADO SIRENS REPLACED NORTH AND SOUTH, NOT BECAUSE IT WAS NORTH AND SOUTH, THAT'S JUST WHERE THOSE WERE THE TWO BIGGEST DESTINY, OUTDOOR DESTINATION AREAS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

SO IF SOMEONE IS OUTSIDE AND THEY'RE IN EICHELBERGER AND THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND OR WHATEVER, AND THE SIREN GOES OFF, THEY'RE GONNA HEAR IT.

SO THAT IS MEANING, HEY, YOU'RE OUTSIDE.

YOU BETTER GET INSIDE, GET SOMEPLACE SAFE.

AND THEN THE SAME THING AT CLOUD PARK, IT'S THE OTHER LARGEST DESTINATION AREA.

THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE CITY.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PLACED THERE.

AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'D HAD IN THE PAST WAS IN TERMS OF INVESTING MONEY IN THAT I THINK, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY PRESENTED, WE DON'T TORNADO SIRENS, BAD IDEA, OR IS THERE OTHER, BUT IS THERE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, I MEAN, SO TWO MORE SIRENS THAT $65,000, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO INVEST IN, UM, MAKING SURE PEOPLE WILL GET SIGNED UP FOR, FOR CODE RED.

AND I KNOW THE CODE RED IT'S.

I MEAN, I I'VE EVEN SEEN PEOPLE SAY, I'VE, I'VE TURNED OFF THUNDERSTORM WATCHES, I'VE TURNED OFF THUNDERSTORM MORNINGS.

THE ONLY REASON MY PHONE SHOULD GO OFF IS BECAUSE I'M GETTING IT TOWARD THERE'S A TORNADO COMING.

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UM, NOW IF YOU GO TO BED AND YOU SHUT YOUR PHONE OFF AT NIGHT, YOU CAN TURN IT OFF.

ARE YOU IN THERE? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST NOT LISTENING TO IT.

UM, CHANCES ARE TORNADO SIRENS.

AREN'T GOING TO WAKE YOU UP AND YOUR PHONE'S NOT GOING TO WAKE YOU UP.

CAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE SLEEPING.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THE DATA FROM NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY, THEIR, THEIR RESEARCH SAYS THAT.

SO ALL OF US WANT EVERYONE TO BE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF SOME TYPE OF A POLICE CAMPAIGN, FIRE CAMPAIGN, WHERE WE WERE JUST REALLY DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO SIGN UP FOR IT.

IF YOU, I TEACH AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, ONE SINGLE KID THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CELL PHONE.

SO I KNOW IF THEY GOT CELL PHONES.

I MEAN, THE PARENTS GOT CELL PHONES.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, I MEAN, THAT TECHNOLOGY EXISTS NOW.

ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE CELL PHONES? YES.

TORNADO SIRENS WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE, I MEAN, IF I WALK OUTSIDE AND IT'S GOING GREEN, AS THEY SAY IT, THE SKY IS UP, I'M GOING TO GO INSIDE AND THEN I'M GOING TO, AND I'VE GOT TELEVISION AND THEN ALL THE NEWS BROADCASTS AND JAMIE SIMPSON USED TO GO, THEY ALL, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO LET US KNOW TAKE COVER, RIGHT.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I KNOW THERE'S A SEGMENT OF OUR CITY.

WHO'S DEMANDING MORE TORNADO SIRENS AND WE, AND WE SEE THAT AND WE HEAR THAT EVERY TIME, UH, WE HAVE CLOSE CALL AND THERE HAS BEEN, THE BACK-TO-BACK WAS KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.

THERE CERTAINLY IS AN OUTCRY FOR THAT.

BUT IS THE ANSWER OF BUILDING PUTTING TWO MORE SIRENS IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN? IS IT DOING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF CHIEF ASTRO'S PLAN TO PUT NINE OF THEM IN THE CITY? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING ABOUT CODE RED IS IF I LIVE BY CLOUD PARK AND THE IS COMING IN BY 70, I DON'T GET ALERTED BECAUSE IT'S, I'M NOT IN ANY IMMINENT DANGER.

SO IT EVEN KIND OF BRINGS IT AND BREAKS IT DOWN TO STREET LEVEL AND WHERE, WHAT THE EMINENT PATH OF THE RADAR OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS GREAT DISCUSSION.

I'M OPEN TO WHAT ALL THE DIFFERENT IDEAS ARE AND WHERE WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS.

UM, IF WE DO ANYTHING OR THE COUNCIL BELIEVES WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OR WHAT, UH, WHAT A FUTURE PLAN MAY BE.

SORRY FOR MORE QUESTIONS, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY, UM, WE HAVE A CITY-WIDE NEWSLETTER THAT YOUR INFORMATION GO OUT ABOUT CODE RED, ABOUT SIGNING UP AND THE CITY OFFICES ALSO PUT UP A BANNER, LIKE A DISPLAY ABOUT CODE AND THE BULLETIN BOARDS.

AND LIKE, LIKE WE PUT UP A NICE SIGN ABOUT THE FIREWORKS.

THERE ARE 70 AND BRANT PIKE, LIKE PUT OUT SOME MORE OF THOSE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I GOT A, WHEN WE DID THE TEXT TO ENROLL, WE HAD A NICE LITTLE POSTCARD AND I HAD JUST SENT THAT OFF TO, UH, SARAH WHO WAS OFF.

WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT UP ON THE BILLBOARDS.

UH YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THE FIRE STATIONS RIGHT NOW, WE WENT RIGHT FROM, WE WENT FROM CODE RED TO 4TH OF JULY, THE FIREWORKS TO RIGHT BACK TO CODE RED.

UH, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS WE CAN DO.

UH, I'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY CREATIVE STAFF NOW THAT, UM, UH, IF YOU'VE SEEN ANY OF THEIR VIDEOS AND STUFF THEY'RE DOING, WE'RE TRYING TO INJECT SOME HUMOR INTO SERIOUS SUBJECTS BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT GETS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION IS, IS BETTER.

UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, I GOT A MESSAGE FROM SOMEBODY CODE RED HAS THEIR OWN WEATHER APP.

AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, IT DIDN'T WORK.

IT WAS USELESS.

AND TALKING TO THE CODE RED, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE CODE RED PEOPLE, THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR PUSH NOTIFICATIONS TURNED ON BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE TURNED ON YOUR LOCATION SERVICES ALWAYS ASKED TO BE ON.

I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE, A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL THINGS.

AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO BRAINSTORM AND TRY TO GET SOME INFORMATION OUT, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE BANNERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT, I THINK IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO DO IT, GARY, HASN'T FOLLOWED BACK UP WITH ME.

UH, AND IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD TALK TO THE PHONE CELL PHONE COMPANIES IN THIS THAT WE HAVE IN HUBER AND ASK THEM TO PUSH THIS ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD EVEN WORK, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO TWIST THEIR ARM, LIKE THE STORES, THE STORES GO IN THERE AND EDUCATE THEM.

I WAS THINKING LIKE HIGHER TECHNOLOGY LEVEL, THEIR CELL PHONES, THEY'RE SELLING, THEY'RE SELLING CELL PHONES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN, HEY, CAN YOU TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND PUT A SIGN UP IN THEIR STORE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE SOME PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THEIR PHONES CAPABLE OF DOING.

I'LL, I'LL, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY ABOUT MR. WEBB AND THEN WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

OH, OKAY.

BUT THAT'S LIKE THAT THE BIG BLACK THING THAT YOU SEE ON DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, THAT WAY THEY JUST SCAN IT AND THEN IT POPS UP IN ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

IF YOU HAVE, YOU WANT TO COME TO THE PARTY, SO YOU'RE GLAD YOU CAME DOWN, RIGHT.

WELL, I THOUGHT IF I CAME FROM MINE, I SHOULD STAY AND LISTEN TO EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, QR CODES.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE STARTED USING QR CODES.

UM,

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SO JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LOOKED AT.

UM, MY FAMILY, WHEN WE DID THE, LIKE, WE DID A COUPLE THINGS DURING COVID, ALL THE RESTAURANTS STARTED DOING QR CODES ON ALL THE MENUS AND IT WOULD POP UP WITH A MENU.

SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO SEE.

I THINK THERE'S LIKE A FREE GENERATOR ON THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.

SO JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT UP AS AN OPTION.

THAT WAS GREAT BECAUSE WE, CAUSE WE USE Q YEAH.

CAUSE WE USE QR CODES LIKE FOR OUR AGENDAS AND STUFF.

SO WE, SO WE DO THOSE THINGS.

IT WAS JUST, YEAH.

COULD THOSE BE INTEGRATED INTO, INTO THAT, INTO THAT SYSTEM BEEN THAT WAY THEY JUST SCAN IT AND THEN GO ON SOME OF THE TYPE, SOMETHING IN, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING, JUST WANT TO KNOW.

I MEAN, WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, STYROFOAM, RECYCLING DAYS AND PAPER SHREDDING EVENTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE A SIGN UP FOR CODE RED EVENT, YOU KNOW, AND ADVERTISE IT LIKE CRAZY AND, UH, SET UP SHOP WITH A BUTTON.

DO YOU KNOW, UM, SOME OF US, SOME POLICE AND FIRE AND HOW THEY WILL COME UP WITH THEIR PHONES AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SIGNED UP.

I MEAN, JUST TO TRY TO DO SOME EVENTS LIKE THAT, ANYTHING TO INCREASE AWARENESS, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THERE'S SO MUCH EDUCATION, RIGHT.

EDUCATION PAYS OFF IN SO MANY WAYS, JUST EDUCATING PEOPLE, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM, WHAT RESOURCES ARE OUT THERE, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN DO A LOT TO TRY TO PUSH THAT.

YES, PLEASE.

YOU COULD EVEN DO THAT.

JUST, UH, YOUR, YOUR GREETINGS BOOTH AT YOUR, UH, SATURDAY FARMER'S MARKET.

GREAT IDEA.

I THINK ANYTIME THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU GOT THAT, HELP THEM DO THAT.

I THINK IT'S ALL JUST ABOUT AWARENESS, RIGHT? ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE.

UM, I REALLY THINK THE BIG QUESTION WITH COUNCIL IS, ARE THE, ARE, ARE THE SIRENS WORTH THE INVESTMENT BASED ON FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE ALWAYS UPSET THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WHEN THERE'S A, WHEN THERE'S A CLOSE CALL.

DON, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I WAS HERE FOR, UM, CHIEF ASH HORSE PRESENTATION ON THE INITIAL, UH, SIREN THING.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE INTENT, OR AT LEAST THE DRIVE BEHIND THAT WAS THE FACT THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET A GRANT TO COVER THE INITIAL TWO AND FUTURE GRANTS COULD COVER A COUPLE MORE.

AND ANOTHER GRANT WOULD COVER A COUPLE MORE.

THAT WAS WHAT I BELIEVED WAS THE INTENT OF THE SIREN PROGRAM AT THE TIME.

AND IT SOUNDED LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

SO, UH, I DO KNOW THE FIRST TWO WERE COVERED AT LEAST IN PART BY GRANTS.

UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE DISCUSSION WAS A FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL GAME.

YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF GRANTS COMING DOWN FOR REMAINING INSTALLERS? SO, UH, WE, WE, UH, OUR MOST RECENT GRANT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERREACH LEFT.

SO I WENT TO LOOK AND, UH, WE CAN READ A LOT THE MONEY FOR HIGH PRIORITY THINGS IN THE GRANT GUIDANCE.

IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS NOT FOR OUTDOOR WARNING SIRENS.

THERE'S A, THERE'S SEVERAL, SEVERAL THINGS THAT FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR EMERGENCY AGENCIES ARE WANTING AND THEY BREAK HIGH PRIORITY, LOW PRIORITY, AND THIS DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A PRIORITY.

IT JUST SAID NO.

UH, SO I TALKED TO, UH, I TALKED TO JEFF JORDAN, SOMEBODY DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU.

AND IT'S KINDA LIKE YOU'RE DIVING INTO DIGGING, UH, MONTGOMERY COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

I VERIFIED THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN CASE YOU KNEW, LET'S SAY, UH, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH DIDN'T CATCH SOMETHING.

I DIDN'T CATCH SOMETHING.

HE SAID, NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN A GRANT SINCE THEN.

THAT WAS A 50% GRANT.

UH, SO TORNADO SIRENS WENT UP ABOUT $10,000 SINCE THE TIME WE, BUT THAT WAS IN 2016, 17.

I THINK THAT WE INSTALLED THOSE.

UM, HE DID SAY THERE'S MIGHT BE ANOTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITY, BUT THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN INSTEAD OF GIVING EACH COUNTY THEIR OWN MONEY.

THEY'RE NOW LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT DID HE SAY? UH, $450,000 DOLLARS DIVIDED BY EIGHT REGIONAL COUNTIES.

SO WE'RE $450,000 WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY.

IT'S NOW EIGHT REGIONAL COUNTIES AND ALL EIGHT COUNTIES HAVE TO AGREE ON THE GRANT PROJECTS.

SO WHEN YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING AS THIS $450,000 IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY OR THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO HE DID NOT SEEM TO OPAL, UH, FOR A GRANT FOR WARNING SIGNS.

THE OTHER PART OF THAT, THE MIRROR, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER DURING THAT PRESENTATION, THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT NORTH AND SOUTH.

THEY LOOKED AT OUTDOOR POPULATED AREAS, WHICH IS, I LIVE NOT FAR FROM THE MIRROR AND NOT FAR FROM THE ONE AT THE Y.

AND I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT SIREN.

UM, EVEN WITH MY HEARING, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT SIREN, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POP.

I CAN REMEMBER,

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IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE A WARNING SIREN.

THE SOCCER FIELDS DOWN OFF OF REP RAMP IS A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE A WARNING SIREN WHERE WE HAVE, UH, OUTDOOR POPULATIONS OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN SPORTS, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK THAT GOD HAS A LOT OF THE LOCATIONS WITH THE EVENTUAL INTENT OF HAVING THEM MESH OVER EACH OTHER.

SO YOU, YOU WOULD HEAR A SIREN ANYWHERE YOU WERE IN THE CITY.

SO, UH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO BRING UP, EXCEPT I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, TEXT TO ENROLL.

UH, I DO THINK THE QR CODE IS, IS A GREAT THING TO JUST LINK INTO THAT.

BUT TEXT TO ENROLL MIGHT BE VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US BECAUSE YOU KNOW, NOW IT TAKES YOU, YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, YOU CLICK ON THE LINK, YOU GO THERE TO ENROLL YOUR TEXT TO ENROLLS A GREAT IDEA.

AND I SAW PARKS AND REC OVER THERE.

PARKS AND REC IS USING QR CODES FOR OUR SUMMER CONCERT SERIES.

AND FOR, UH, WHAT'S THE OTHER THING.

THE MOVIE NIGHTS, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A SCAN, THIS QR CODE TO SEE ALL THE MOVIE NIGHTS.

SO THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

UM, UH, THE CODE RED SYSTEM, I THINK IS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE, IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE SYSTEM AND I THINK IT IS TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED OVER, UH, THE TORNADO SIRENS.

HOWEVER, UM, WHEN WE STARTED WITH, UM, THE TORNADO SIRENS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UM, I THINK IT WAS EVEN A COUNCIL, WOMAN SMITH HAD BROUGHT THAT INITIATIVE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I KNOW YOU SUPPORTED IT.

UM, AND IT'S REDUNDANCY AND, UM, WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, IN THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS, I THINK THE REDUNDANCY IS, UH, IMPORTANT AND WORTHWHILE.

UH, I KNOW THE, THE EXPENSE IS CERTAINLY THERE.

UM, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A MORE EXPENSIVE SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHY WE EVENTUALLY, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WENT TO THE CODE RED SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAPER, MORE EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE, UH, BUT THE REDUNDANCY ONE TORNADO OUT OF 20 IS DEADLY THAT DURING THE DAYTIME, NO ONE OUT OF 20 IS DEADLY, DEADLY AT NIGHT, ONE OUT OF 50 DURING THE DAY.

OH ONE OUT OF 50.

UM, PUBLIC SAFETY IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

UM, WE PAY FOR FIRE ENGINES.

WE PAY FOR FIREHOUSE, WE PAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND I HOPE WE NEVER HAVE TO USE ANY OF THEM AT ALL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.

UM, I WOULD SUPPORT ADDITIONAL TORNADO SIRENS IN THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE WORK TOWARDS COVERING, UH, COVERAGE FOR OUTDOOR USE WHILE WE STILL PROMOTE THE CODE RED SYSTEM AND TRY TO GET MORE THAN 25% OF OUR RESIDENTS SIGNED UP.

IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? SO I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT GOING FORWARD.

I KNOW WE HAVE BUDGET ISSUES TO CONSIDER WE CAN'T, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S MUCH OF AN ISSUE, RIGHT.

WHEN WE COME TO THAT, IT'S JUST PLANNING.

AND I DO, I DO LIKE YOUR LANGUAGE OF REDUNDANCY.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND IN THE END, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT JUST WHAT OUR CITY SERVICES ARE, SAFETY AND PROTECTION IS, IS THE NUMBER ONE THING.

SO YES, NANCY.

UH, FACTS AND THE DATA THAT YOU'VE SUPPLIED.

UM, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT JUST, UH, LOOKING AT TWO AND THE LOCATIONS OF THE TWO, BECAUSE OUR CITY IS SPREAD OUT SO MUCH IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AND, AND LIKE LIZ MENTIONED WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE LIKE AROUND THE LEXINGTON PLACE AREA.

SO THOSE PEOPLE CAN HEAR US AND, AND ADD ON CHAMBERSBURG.

THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE CITIZENS TOO.

UM, I HAVE, I RELY ON THE SIRENS.

UM, WHEN I GO TO BED AT NIGHT, MY PHONE IS OFF BECAUSE PEOPLE KNUCKLEHEAD, SO CALL ALL NIGHT LONG.

SO I TEAR MY PHONE OFF AND I CAN'T ISOLATE A WEATHER RAY, UH, RADIO DOWN TO THE AREA THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

SO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO ALL THOSE ALERTS ALL NIGHT LONG, SO THAT'S GOTTA BE IN THE KITCHEN.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY DO RELY ON IT.

AND, AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WE HAVE EXTRA INSULATION IN OUR HOUSE BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE FLIGHT ZONE FOR RIGHT PACK, BUT I STILL HEAR IT FROM CLOUD.

SO I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THOSE SIRENS TO HELP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE NEED TO KEEP.

YES, RICHARD, THANK YOU, UH, CHIEF, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE THE,

[03:00:01]

UM, I DO BELIEVE TECHNOLOGY HAS, HAS COME A LONG WAY EVEN SINCE 20 16, 20 17.

WHEN WE PUT IN, UH, THE INITIATIVE FOR THE, UH, THE TWO SIRENS THAT WAS MENTIONED, UH, THROUGH CHIEF ASHWERS PROPOSAL.

UM, I KNOW HERE AT CITY HALL AND, AND IT'S BEEN MENTIONED AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DO USE THE QR CODE SYSTEM ON VARIOUS THINGS.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SARAH DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB TO WHERE WE WERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, GETTING COMMUNICATION OUT TO RESIDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND I LOVE THE ADDITIONAL VIDEOS AND OTHER MATTER OF FACT, THE ONE WITH THE DOOR HANDLES, UH, BLEW ME AWAY ACTUALLY.

SO, UH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, SMALL PLUG, IF ANYBODY CHECKS OUT THE HEBREW HEIGHTS FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A FACEBOOK PAGE, THERE'S SOME AMAZING VIDEOS ON THERE.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE ADDITIONAL DATA, UM, YOU KNOW, ON IF ADDITIONAL SIGNS OR SIRENS ARE, ARE WARRANTED AND, YOU KNOW, AN EXPENSE OF, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A HALF, A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIRENS MENTIONED, UH, TO COMPLETE CHIEF ASHWORTH PLAN CHIEF, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE A INTRUSIVE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, CONTACT SOME OF YOUR, YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE REGION AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE, THE SIRENS OR SINCE THE TORNADOES THAT TOOK PLACE ON MEMORIAL DAY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, TO NOW, UM, HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE REGION AND REQUESTS FOR WARNING SIRENS, UM, AND HOW MANY COMMUNITIES DO HAVE MORE THAN TWO SIRENS? UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING HERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NINE, YOU KNOW, 10 SIRENS IN OUR CITY, BUT, BUT IS IT WARRANTED? UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, TH THIS KETTERING, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT AS WARRANTED BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THAT MANY SIRENS BEING NEEDED IN OUR CITY, UH, TO BE ONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVEN'T WENT AFTER, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE FULL WEIGHT AND SUPPORT OF THIS CITY AND ALL OF ITS DEPARTMENTS BEHIND, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING WITH OUR RESIDENTS ON, YOU KNOW, THE STEPS THAT WE CURRENTLY PAY FOR NOW.

UM, SO MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT DATA NOW, IF NOT, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR IT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR SOME OF US TO, UH, TO SEE.

GOOD.

AND HOW DO OUR EXISTING PARK SPACES ALIGN UP WITH THE PLAN AS FAR AS WHERE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THOSE SIRENS, IF THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

I MEAN, ANYBODY CERTAINLY HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS FEEL FREE, BUT I THINK THE ONE MORE SO ON OUR CITY MAP, COULD YOU ADD AN X WORD WHENEVER THIS COMES UP AGAIN, COULD YOU GIVE US A MAP OF THESE EXIST? AND WE'D LIKE THESE, AND LIKE DRAW THAT MILE RANGE AROUND THEM.

AND THAT WAY WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE COVERAGE.

EVEN THERE IS SOME OVERLAP AND MAYBE WE COULD PUT UP THE COMMUNITIES WE BOUGHT UP AGAINST WHAT ARE THEIR SIRENS COVER TO MAKE? I KNOW THEY'D PROBABLY BE AT OUR DIFFERENT ZIP CODE.

MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T THE PROBLEM WITH THAT THOUGH.

THE BIG THING I SEE WITH THAT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN, WE LIVE BY INTEROPERABILITY, RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE IS, IS WHEN YOU START, IF YOU DO START RELYING, CAN YOU, YES.

BUT THEN YOU'RE TALKING MULTIPLE COMMUNICATIONS CENTERS AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO WITH THE CODE RED.

THAT IS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT IS IT, DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW OUR DISPATCHERS KNOW WHEN TO DROP THE TONES FOR CODE IT'S CODE RED WEATHER CODE, RED WEATHER CALLS OUR DISPATCH CENTER, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD GET.

SO ESSENTIALLY BY YOU BEING SIGNED UP ON THE SYSTEM, YOU'RE CUTTING THE MIDDLEMAN OUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A, IT'S ALWAYS A BETTER DEAL IF YOU CAN CUT THE MIDDLEMAN OUT.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE DISPATCH CENTER, SO THE NEIGHBORING THING, IT COULD, IT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THE MOST EFFECTIVE THINGS, WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNICATIONS CENTERS, WE'VE DONE AUTOMATION TO WHERE IT'S JUST AUTOMATICALLY DONE.

THE DISPATCHER'S NOT TAKING 20 LINES DOWN CALLS AND THEN TRYING TO CALL ANOTHER COMMUNITY TO DROP THEIR, THEIR SIRENS.

SO IF WE COULD GET THAT MAP WITH THE RANGE, AND THEN IF WE COULD REALLY PUSH THE CODE RED SYSTEM WITH ALL OF OUR CITY OFFICES, THE MAILINGS OUT OF THE WATER COMPANY, AND TRY TO PUSH THROUGH QRC CODE AND THE PHONE COMPANIES TO TRY TO HELP US PUSH IT OUT.

JAMIE DID GET THAT ALSO IT'S ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, UNDER CITY HIGHLIGHTS.

IT WAS POSTED ON JULY 1ST.

I THINK IT WILL BE UP THERE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO IT'S ON THE WEBSITE AND THE QR CODE.

WE ACTUALLY DID THE SAME THING FOR HIRING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT HIRING OTHER FIREFIGHTERS, UH, WE PUT QR CODES ON THE SIDE OF EACH ONE OF OUR MEDICS.

SO ANOTHER PARAMEDIC WHO WALKED BY AND JUST SCAN IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GRAB A FLYER AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT HE'S LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB.

YEAH, I, SO I, I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SPACES, OUTDOOR AREAS, BUT IF WE GO ALONG THE LINES OR THE IDEA THAT THAT'S WHY THE FIRST TWO LOCATIONS WERE PICKED, AND THEN IT ALSO, I THINK THE SECONDARY BENEFIT WAS ONE WAS ON THE NORTH.

ONE WAS ON THE SOUTH END.

I'D BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT ACTUALLY JUST AN OVERVIEW IN SEEING KIND OF WHERE OUR PARK SPACES ARE

[03:05:01]

BECAUSE I THINK IN THE OUTDOOR OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACE IS WHERE THE SIRENS ARE GONNA HAVE THE MOST BENEFIT.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IF I'M IN MY HOUSE AND MY AIR CONDITIONING'S ON BECAUSE YOU KNOW, STORM SEASON HAS IN THE WINTER, YOU KNOW, THE IT'S, IT'S HOT, IT'S HUMID, IT'S IN THE SPRING, IT'S GOING INTO SUMMER AND I'M INSIDE.

MY AC IS ON MY TV'S ON, I'M NOT HERE.

I'M NOT GOING TO HEAR THE SIREN.

AND IF I'M ASLEEP, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HEAR THE SIREN.

BUT IF I'M IN AN OUTDOOR AREA AND I'M EXERCISING, I'M WALKING, I'M PARTICIPATING IN SOME OUTDOOR ACTIVITY.

AND MAYBE MY PHONE'S IN THE CAR THAT SIREN WOULD HELP ME BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OUTDOOR SPACE WHERE I MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER, OTHER FORMS OF, OF BEING WARNED.

SO, UM, SO JUANITA PARK, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR ACTIVITY GOING IN THERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

WE NEED A PARK ON THE BOTTOM END WHERE THOSE BALL DIAMONDS ARE AT IS RIGHT THERE AT HARSHMAN VILLE.

WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL IS, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A SIREN AT THE END, THE MONEY TO PARK WAYNE HIGH SCHOOL IS GOING TO HEAR IT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF IN, IN, IN ANOTHER KIND OF IN THAT MIDDLE SECTION OF TOWN.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AREAS AND WHAT TYPE OF, UM, VICINITY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY REACH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT, HOW, HOW THAT PLAYED OUT A PLAN TO DO SOME WORK WITH CANAL LOCKS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

IF, UH, UH, IF YOU PUT ONE THERE AND THEN I THINK MISS BERGE WAS TALKING ABOUT LEXINGTON PLACE AND COVERED THAT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS WOULD COVER THE, UH, THE SOCCER FIELDS WHO PROBABLY WITHIN, WITHIN, AND THE SOCCER FIELDS DON'T BELONG TO US, BUT CANAL, BUT JUST THE IDEA THAT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF HUBER HEIGHTS RESIDENTS AT THAT VENUE WAS THE SAME THING.

I THINK THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY SPACE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST THEN POPULATION CENTERS, BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE PLACE.

THEY WOULD BE THE MOST IMPACTFUL WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE AND MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR, TO THEIR TECHNOLOGY ANYWAY.

YEAH, BECAUSE INEVITABLY, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE OUTDOORS, A LOT OF TIMES YOUR PHONE DIES.

I MEAN, MY WIFE HAS THE PROBLEM ALL THE TIME.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A THING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OUT IN THAT OUTDOOR EVENT THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS AND WATCHING A GAME OR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND YOUR PHONE'S DEAD.

AND JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT PERSON GETS THE ALERT.

YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE LIKE, HEY, WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW? SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OUT THERE AND YOU'RE EXERCISING AND YOU'RE NOT AROUND ANYBODY ELSE.

THAT'S DEFINITELY, I THINK THAT'S YEAH.

GOOD IDEA.

ACTUALLY, CHIEF, THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION WHEN I, SO IF I'M SIGNING FOR CODE RED AND I GET THAT NOTIFICATION, THERE'S A NOTIFICATION BASED ON WHERE I'VE THE ADDRESS I'VE REGISTERED IT OR DOES IT PICK UP GPS WHERE I'M AT? YEAH.

THE, UH, THE PHONE CALLS, THE TEXT MESSAGE IS THE ADDRESS THAT YOU'VE REGISTERED TO.

IF YOU RUN THE APP AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE PUSH NOTIFICATIONS, TURNED ON LOCATION SERVICES, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THE APPS RUNNING ALL THE TIME.

IT WOULD GO OFF OF YOUR LOCATION.

SO KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT.

SO I THINK WILL PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT? SO IF I DON'T HAVE IT THROUGH THE APP, AND I'M NOT MY PUSH NOTIFICATIONS, AREN'T ON, AND I'M AT CLOUD PARK, BUT I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GETTING THAT NOTIFICATION.

SO, YEAH.

IT ALSO CARRIES TRAILS IS PROBABLY ANOTHER AREA THAT'S NOT GETTING ANY OF THE SIREN, UH, SAMMY I'VE, I'VE GOT FEEDBACK.

PEOPLE DIDN'T CARE SHELLS, EVEN THE ONE AT THE EICHELBERGER THAT AREA THERE DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T EXPAND, OR THEY'RE NOT HEARING THAT.

SO WE HAVE STATION STATION 20 FIVES NOW THERE TOO.

SO THAT WAS A SITE THAT WASN'T REALLY EVER CONSIDERED BEFORE FOR A SIREN, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE WERE INITIALLY DOING THIS, IT WAS THAT BUILDING JUST WASN'T THOUGHT ABOUT RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT, UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE RESCUE FUNDS FOR GETTING THERE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF A COMMUNITY.

SO MAYBE WE COULD USE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS TO BUY THESE, IF WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.

I MEAN, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW NOW, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'D BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO TOO.

WOULD THOSE EXTRA FUNDS COVER THAT? I HAVE ASKED THAT AT A WEBINAR AND MY QUESTION WAS NOT YET.

SO THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

SO YEAH, STAY TUNED IS A GOOD, WELL, WE CAN USE THE FUNDS THAT WAY.

WE'LL DEFINITELY TRY.

CODE OR THE CODE RED AT THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT? CERTAINLY CAN.

UH, CAN, UH, KEITH, OR ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A, UH, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A QR

[03:10:01]

I'M TRYING TO THINK.

THAT'S JUST, IT'S ONLY A FEW WEEKS AWAY NOW.

YOU'VE ALREADY, UH, SINCE WE CLOSED OUT FIREWORKS, WE'VE STARTED WORKING ON OUR PLANS FOR OPEN HOUSE.

SO NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, WE'RE KIND OF A SECONDARY THING, BUT MOST DEFINITELY WE COULD, UH, GET SOME SIGNAGE UP AND DO SOME THINGS FOR THAT.

UM, I WOULD ALSO BE REMISS, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH WANTED ME TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING HE HAD TALKED ABOUT A WHILE BACK WAS ALSO THE MORE OUTDOOR AREAS YOU GET, UH, IS THE LIGHTNING PROTECTION.

UH, THERE'S SEVERAL SPORTS COMPLEXES OUT THERE THAT HAVE A AIR HORN AND A STROBE LIGHT THAT IF THERE WAS LIGHTNING, THAT IT WOULD GO OFF AND HAS A 30 MINUTE TIMER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TOO.

SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT WEATHER PACKAGES, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HE, UH, HIM TALKING ABOUT LIGHTENING DETECTION.

OKAY, COOL.

THREE D WHICH IS BANK DEPOSITORY AGREEMENTS.

SO I THINK, SO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US? I MEAN, KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME PATTERNS WHERE THEY COULD GO OUTDOOR AREAS, UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME BACK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND, UH, WE'LL JUST PUT IT ON AS A, AS A FOLLOWUP ITEM AND JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT INFORMATION THAT YOU COME BACK WITH AND THEN COUNSEL AND DECIDE FROM THERE, HOW WE WILL, HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT, WHAT MAKES, WHAT MAKES THEM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL KIND OF RECAP WHAT I'M WANTING, WANTING IS WHERE GOING TO COME UP WITH A MAP, WE'LL TRY TO COME UP WITH A MAP USING A CURRENT PARK OR PLANNED PARK LOCATIONS.

UH, I'LL PROVIDE THE, UH, ONE OF I'LL PICK ONE OF THE MAPS, UH, UH, CHIEF ASHWORTH HAD, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES.

I'LL PROVIDE THAT.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO GET AHOLD OF THE, OUR NEIGHBORS AND LOOK AT, UH, TORNADO COUNTS.

AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL KICK UP OUR, UH, CAMPAIGN FOR THE TECHS TO ENROLL AND, UH, WE'LL GET SOME QR CODES, MAYBE PUT THEM ON DOORS AT VARIOUS CITY BUILDINGS.

AND, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL TRY AND DO SOMETHING WITH, UH, UM, UH, THE, THE DOUGHNUT AND DRAGONS TICKETS AND ALL THAT WITH THE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO I THINK IF THAT COVERS EVERYTHING, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT UP IS ITEM

[ Bank Depository Agreements]

I'M LOOKING AT YOU, JIM, AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM CONVERSATION ON THIS TOPIC.

THANK YOU, JIM.

UH, YES.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT MUNDANE, MUNDANE THINGS EARLIER IN THE MEETING.

UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP EVERY FIVE YEARS AND, UH, ALL I, UH, IT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT, SO, UM, I HAVE IDENTIFIED EIGHT BANKS IN THE LEGISLATION THAT I PUT IN YOUR PACKETS, AND ALL IT DOES IS ALLOW US TO, UM, CONTACT THOSE BANKS AND HAVE DEPOSITORY AGREEMENTS WITH THEM.

THAT JUST MEANS WHENEVER I GO MAKE AN INVESTMENT, UM, I CAN USE, UM, AND IT ALSO MEANS FOR LIKE OUR PAYROLL ACCOUNT CHECKING ACCOUNT, UM, ANY ACCOUNT THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED, THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN OPEN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE BANKS FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.

AND THE LAST ONE, UH, WAS DONE IN 2016 AND IT EXPIRES ON AUGUST 22ND, 2021.

SO I'M JUST COMING HERE ABOUT A MONTH IN ADVANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

SO I CAN WORK OUT THE FINAL AGREEMENTS WITH EACH OF THOSE BANKS AND THEIR BOILERPLATE AGREEMENTS.

EACH BANK HAS ABOUT THE EXACT SAME AGREEMENT.

IS THERE A TIME FOR TWO READINGS OR DO WE NEED THIS TO BE MOVED RESOLUTION? SO IT REALLY ONLY NEEDS ONE RATING.

AND, UM, SO IF IT WERE TO PASS ON MONDAY, THEN I'D HAVE A, ABOUT A MONTH TO, UH, TO WORK OUT AGREEMENTS WITH THE BANK.

HEY, OBJECTIONS, MOVE THAT ON TO A MONDAY'S MEETING.

UP IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS LOOKING AT YOU AGAIN.

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT UNDER THE COUNCIL.

UM, REAL SIMPLE TONIGHT.

UM, UH, THE, UM, THE IMPACT OF WHAT I'M PRESENTING IS A $0 INCREASE TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE, UM, UM, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT CAME TO ME AND SAID THAT THEY, UM, DID NOT HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.

AND THAT'S ABOUT $15,000.

SO OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST THING THAT A CONVERSATION WE HAVE IS, IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET THAT IN YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU CAN TAKE, UH, $15,000 AND REAPPROPRIATED, AND, UH, YES, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PLACE IN, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, WE ALWAYS SET ASIDE, I THINK ABOUT $250,000 EACH YEAR FOR POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS IN STORMWATER SYSTEM.

AND, UM, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT $15,000 COULD BE POINTED TOWARDS, UM, TOWARDS THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.

IT'S JUST IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE STORMWATER FUND BUDGET.

AND SO, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO INTERNALLY.

IT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S APPROVED IN YOUR ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.

AND SO, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO MOVE IT FROM ONE AREA TO THE OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM ON THAT?

[03:15:02]

AND OBVIOUSLY I'D LIKE IT APPROVED MONDAY NIGHT, SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

OKAY, GOT THAT.

ITEM THREE F IS OUR ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICES, POTENTIAL AGREEMENT.

NEXT UP.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR STILL BEING ANCHORED

[ Enterprise Fleet Management Services]

SO YEAH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STICKING WITH US.

SO YES, WE'LL GO TO BRIAN AND CERTAINLY OFFER ANY OTHER COMMENTARY CAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS.

I'M JUST FOLLOWING UP FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE ALL TOGETHER IN THIS ITEM WAS ON THE AGENDA.

THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UM, ONE WAS THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE, UH, WHAT THE VEHICLE FLEET LOOK LIKE COMING OUT OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS.

UH, THEN THERE WAS, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, WHAT ELEMENTS OF THAT FLEET MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE HYBRID OR GREEN VEHICLES AS OPPOSED TO A CONVENTIONAL COMBUSTION ENGINES.

UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO KIND OF A MORE DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF OUR EXISTING VEHICLES WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THEIR FUEL AND THEIR MAINTENANCE BILLS AND THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES.

SO THOSE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION WHERE COUNCIL WAS DISCUSSING THEM PARTICULAR INFORMATION.

UH, JEREMY AND HIS, UH, HIS TEAM WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, UH, RIGHT AWAY.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THE PACKET, UH, AS WELL AS MIKE AND HIS TEAM ALSO WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION, UH, ON SPECIFIC VEHICLES.

SO, UH, WE WANT TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU, MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE THAT INFORMATION, WHICH YOU DID, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THAT BEING IN THE PACKET.

AND SO, UM, MYSELF OR JEREMY, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING, UH, THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC PRIOR TO, UH, HOPEFULLY ENTERTAINING LEGISLATION ON MONDAY.

MORE THAN OUR CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLE, OUR CURRENT ZONING VEHICLES.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM FROM COUNCIL? I THINK ONE OF THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, UM, FROM THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE PERSPECTIVE WHEN SCOTT HAD OUR CONVERSATION, UM, IF WE HAVE OUR LOCAL VEHICLES FROM, FROM EITHER WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD PUTTING AROUND TOWN, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR OUR VEHICLES, OR JUST DRIVING AROUND LOCALLY OR ZONING VEHICLES, YOUR VEHICLE, THAT KIND OF THING, THE CHARGING PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE WHERE OUR, UM, WE'RE NOT ONLY TALKING AT THE EXPENSE OF THE, THE MORE UPFRONT EXPENSE FROM THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES, BUT THE CHARGING ASPECT, BECAUSE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN EXPECT YOU GUYS EVERY, BEFORE YOU HOME DRIVE A COUPLE MILES UP THE STREET, PARKED THE CAR, PLUG IT IN, AND IT'S AN EIGHT HOUR CHARGE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT CAUSE SOME ISSUES THERE TOO.

UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I LIKED THE IDEA, BUT I, YOU KNOW, OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF MOVING FORWARD TO START THE AGREEMENT I THINK IS, UM, I THINK THE REGULAR VEHICLES, THE RESALE VALUE, THE WHOLE POINT OF, OF THE, THE MONEY SAVING ASPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE BASED ON SWITCHING TO THAT TYPE OF A SYSTEM WAS I THINK IT WAS LIKE 1.1 MILLION I THINK WAS, WAS THE NUMBER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, KIND OF MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUMPING IN WITH ONE FOOT, NOT BOTH FEET, RIGHT? I THINK ON REALLY TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING UP BECAUSE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES MEAN SOME OF THE THINGS WE DON'T GET QUITE QUITE THE SAVINGS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE NEVER GET THERE.

I KNOW WE HAD THE ISSUE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.

WE, UM, AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES AND MOVES FORWARD AND WHAT THOSE BATTERIES CAN DO, AND THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES MIGHT HELP RESELL VALUE, MIGHT HELP REDUCE COSTS IN THE BEGINNING.

UM, ONCE WE HAVE MORE CHARGING STATIONS AVAILABLE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE HEADING, THAT KIND OF MAKES MORE SENSE, UM, AS, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

UM, SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, UH, WHERE I'M AT FOR, YOU KNOW, THINKING, THINKING THROUGH ALL THIS, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

I KNOW, UH, UH, KNOW CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.

IT'S KINDA STUCK ON, UH, EVIE VEHICLES.

UM, HOWEVER, I, I, I WOULD DISAGREE THAT I THINK, UH, SOME OF OUR, OUR CITY VEHICLES COULD SUSTAIN A V TYPE.

HOWEVER, THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD A LOT ABOUT IS THE HYBRID OPTION, THE INTERNAL BUILT-IN HYBRID OPTION.

I ACTUALLY WENT UP TO, UH, SPEAK AT A, UM, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF FOLKS UP AT OUR LOCAL KIA DEALERSHIP HERE IN HEBREW.

AND ONE OF THE BRAND NEW KIA NIROS, UH, WILL GET ROUGHLY ABOUT 550 TO 600 MILES ON A FULL TANK THAT IS ALMOST 200 MILES

[03:20:01]

SO IF I'M GETTING ALMOST 150% INCREASE, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THAT UPFRONT COSTS, WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN INVESTING IN THE HYBRID OPTION, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLUGIN FEATURE.

UM, AND THE TECHNOLOGY'S THERE.

OH, NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU BILL JUST SILVER 10.

UH, WE ROLLED OUT A KIA NIRO TO THEM TWO YEARS AGO.

UH, THEY'RE GOING GREEN AND THEY LOVE IT.

YOU'RE THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO THE NIRO IS IT'S FRONT WHEEL DRIVE.

SO IT'S AN SUV THAT'S FRONT WHEEL DRIVE.

SO IF PEOPLE WANT THAT SUV, UM, IMAGE, IT'S NOT THE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO IT.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO GET SO MUCH GOOD FUEL ECONOMY BECAUSE IT'S FRONT WHEEL AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE PRICE COMPARABLE TO THAT TO LET'S SAY A CHEVY.

OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THE KEY, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, STANDARD HYBRID VEHICLE, LIKE YOU, YOU GUYS HAD TALKED ABOUT A LOT ABOUT ELECTRIC BY FIRST THING.

AND I MENTIONED LAST WEEK AS, YOU KNOW, SWITCH TO THE GAS, SHORTER LIFE CYCLE, BUT THEN THROW IN HYBRID VEHICLES, ELECTRICS AREN'T THERE YET.

I DON'T THINK, PLUS YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR, IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD LATER ON AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AS YOU FIND MORE GRANTS.

UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, AND I'M WORKING WITH A COUPLE OTHER INITIATIVES TO FIND OUT MORE GRANTS, SO I CAN PASS THE INFORMATION ALONG TO HOW CAN I GET YOU GUYS FREE STATIONS? RIGHT.

SO CITY OF LOGAN INSTALLED TWO TESLA STATIONS.

I BELIEVE THEY WERE FREE.

SO I'M WORKING WITH CHIEF MELLINGER OVER THERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DID HE GET THAT, WHO GET IT? AND THE TOWN DID IT RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S, LOGAN IS MIDDLE.

THEY WERE DIRECT GRANTS THROUGH.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE DIRECT GRANTS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THROUGH, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE A RURAL ENTITY, HOW THAT WORKS.

SO I'M WORKING WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S SOME STUFF THAT ENTERPRISE THAT WE WORK WITH TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE BETTER HELP YOU OUT WITH THIS INFORMATION.

SO TO GO YOUR ROUTE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DID THAT SIDE BY SIDE, ABOUT 30 TO 40% OF YOUR VEHICLES COULD BECOME HYBRID.

I JUST PUT POTENTIAL FOR HYBRID, NOT JUST SAY ELECTRIC, JUST HYBRID DEPENDING ON THE USAGE, BUT YEAH.

KEY OR NARROW WOULD BE A GREAT VEHICLE TO GO WITH IT FOR ANY OF THOSE VEHICLES, AS LONG AS YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING FRONT WHEEL, DRIVE SUV.

YOU KNOW, I DO THAT IN QUOTES CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY AN SUV, IT'S A LITTLE BUBBLE ON A CAR.

SO I, I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, FOR ME, THE, UH, THE DAYS OF DRIVING AROUND THE DODGE CHARGER AND DODGE MAGNUM PASS AND EVERYTHING, BUT A GAS STATION, UH, FOR ME ARE GONE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M BACK TO THE DAYS AND I, MY FAMILY STILL HAS NOT INVESTED IN IT.

I'M STILL TRYING TO MOVE MY, UM, BETTER HALF, UH, UH, INTO THAT MARKET.

UM, BUT KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S THERE.

AND I, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S WENT TO, I MEAN, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW JUST RECENTLY, UH, WENT OUT AND GOT ONE OF THOSE HYBRID OPTIONS BESIDES ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE 900 BUTTONS THAT ARE IN THERE.

SHE ABSOLUTELY LOVES WHAT SHE'S PAYING IN GAS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME SHE BACKED UP AND THAT WEIRD NOISE HAPPENED.

I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT'S AROUND YOU.

CAUSE IT'S SO QUIET.

UM, BUT YEAH, NO, I THINK THE, THE, THE RESELL VALUE, EVEN ON THOSE AND OTHER HYBRID OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE HAVE, I'VE SHOWN PROOF TO THE PUDDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS LATER THE RESALE VALUE ACTUALLY MAKES UP FOR ITSELF.

THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE LESS BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE CELL PHONES, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERY YEAR, JUST LIKE TVS, ALL TVS HAVE THE NEW MODEL EVERY YEAR.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

THAT'S WHERE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S ELECTRIC THEY'RE JUST OUTDATED, RIGHT.

HYBRIDS ARE A LITTLE BETTER.

CAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THE ICE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES IN THERE.

SO THEY STILL HAVE THE GAS ELEMENT TO THEM.

UM, BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT ON THE, IF THAT SPREADSHEET WAS SHARED, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE 20, 22 PRICING YET FOR A LOT OF VEHICLES.

WE'RE STILL IN THE MIDDLE WAITING FOR THAT TO COME OUT.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, KIND OF UP IN THE AIR ON THAT.

BUT FOR ANY, IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN IN THE NARROWS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.

OR THE HYUNDAI IONIC.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO BEST, UH, HYBRID VEHICLES OUT THERE.

COST-WISE AND FUEL ECONOMY WISE, UH, HYUNDAI OWNS KIA, SO.

SO IS IT LIKE AN SUV THAT'S ENCLOSED OR IS THERE A PICKUP BED? SO HOW ARE THEY PUT, IS THERE ENOUGH TO PUT SHOVELS AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW, OH, SHOVELS AND RAKES IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE TO FOLD SEATS DOWN.

IT'S LIKE A FORD ESCAPE.

SO WHEN THINGS ARE MUDDY, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET MESSY ON THE INSIDE OF THIS, THROW IT OUT.

DO YOU WANT, I KNOW THOSE THINGS ARE SO ROOMY THAT I CAN SIT IN THE BACK SEAT.

I'M A BIG DUDE.

JUST LIKE AN ESCAPE OR A RAV4, WHATEVER DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DONE? YES.

ALL THE WAY AROUND.

AND WITH SOMEBODY IN THE PASSENGER SEAT, I GOT LEG ROOM.

SO YEAH, FOLDING SEATS DOWN OR GETTING SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE OR SOME WEATHER, FULL FLOOR LINERS, WEATHER TECH, 120 BUCKS.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO ALL WEATHER TAX.

UM, KIA KIA DOES HAVE, AND HYUNDAI HAS THE BEST ROOMIER INTERIOR COMPARED TO ITS COUNTERPARTS.

THEY SQUEEZING AN EXTRA COUPLE INCHES, WHICH IS NICE, SURPRISINGLY FOR A SMALL SUV.

UM, BUT YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STICK A SHOVEL IN WITHOUT FOLD THE SEATS DOWN

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MR. WEBB.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, BRIAN, THANK YOU.

UH, COMPILATION OF THE INFORMATION WAS VERY HELPFUL.

UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

I DID APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WENT ON AND DENOTED, UH, WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY GO TO A HYBRID.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY VALUABLE.

THE ONE THING I GOT FROM THAT, BRIAN WAS NOTICING THE WORK THAT MIKE GRAY HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO JUST COME UP WITH A SAMPLING OF VEHICLES.

UM, NOTING THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM OF TRACKING OUR VEHICLES IS SO CUMBERSOME THAT THEY HAVE TO DEVOTE HOURS AND HOURS JUST TO COME UP WITH THAT RANDOM SAMPLING OF VEHICLES.

I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS AN UNDERLYING NEED FOR FLEET MANAGEMENT.

WE CAN'T TRACK OUR STUFF, UM, UH, UH, EFFECTIVELY.

AND SO AS I, UH, READ BACK OVER YOUR PROPOSAL AND EVERY EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR PRESENTATION, THE WHOLE PROGRAM JUST SEEMS TO ME TO MAKE A TON OF SENSE.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE A NO BRAINER.

UH, UH, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU PUT IN ON IT BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION JUST CLARIFIED WHAT I THOUGHT TO BEGIN WITH.

WE NEED FLEET MANAGEMENT.

MA'AM I GET ON ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THEN? AS FAR AS YOU MEAN KIND OF GONE THROUGH THIS TOO, AND I'M JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN HERE.

UM, BRIAN, SO, SO WHAT IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT? AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL ADVANCE THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, FOR ACTION ON THE 28TH, UH, THAT YOU ACT ON THAT ON MONDAY AND THAT EFFECTIVELY BECOMES THE MASTER LEASE FOR THE PROGRAM.

SO THAT ENABLES US THEN TO START BREAKING DOWN, UM, INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES ON THOSE SPECIFIC LEASES MOVING FORWARD.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE USE, UH, COMBUSTION? DO WE USE THE HYBRID? DO WE LOOK AT ELECTRIC? AND I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT TO DEMONSTRATE FOR COUNCIL'S PURPOSES IS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW WHATEVER POLICY DIRECTION YOU SET, WHETHER OR NOT WE SIMPLY LOOK AT SAVINGS THROUGH THE IMPROVED COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLES OR WHETHER OR NOT WE AS A COMMUNITY, MAKE THE BIGGER STEP TOWARDS A MORE GREEN INITIATIVE.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, BUT WE CAN DECIDE THAT WITH EACH PARTICULAR VEHICLE AS WE GO, OR WE CAN LOOK AT EACH PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT OR DIVISION AS WE GO, WE HAVE THAT OPTION.

BUT, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE FULL EFFECT OF THE PROGRAM AND DO SO WITH THE NEXT, UM, MODEL YEAR, THEN WE NEED TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BASED ON THE DEMAND THAT'S COMING FOR THESE VEHICLES BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THE JEREMY SHARED.

SO HOW SOON THEN DO WE START CONSIDERING WHICH VEHICLE, WHAT TYPE ALL THAT, IF LEGISLATION IS APPROVED, THAT'S PROBABLY FOLLOWING UP ON THE HEELS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO, UM, AS SOON AS WE, AS SOON AS YOU GUYS CAN APPROVE THE LEGISLATION, AND I THINK, UH, MR. MCDONALD'S MAYBE YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE CONTRACTS OR NOT, BUT, UH, ONCE THAT GETS ALL APPROVED, THEN WE CAN START WALKING THROUGH, UH, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS.

SO THE GOAL IS NORMALLY RIGHT NOW, WE START WORKING WITH OUR CLIENTS AND MOLLY OR CLIENT STRATEGY MANAGER AND MOLLY, UM, UH, DOES IT ON A 12 MONTH BASIS, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE, UH, WAY HOW LONG VEHICLE, UH, ORDER BANKS ARE GOING TO BE OPEN.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK THROUGH THE END OF 2022 FOR, AND LOOK AT REPLACING VEHICLES THAT LONG.

AND JUST FOR EXAMPLE, CARGO VANS RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO LOOK THAT FAR IS THE LEAD TIME ON A CARGO VAN IS 26 WEEKS.

THAT'S SEVEN MONTHS AND FORD AND RAM ARE NOT GOING TO START BUILDING MODEL YEAR 20, 22 CARGO VANS UNTIL, UH, OR NOVEMBER.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A 20, 22 UNTIL SEPTEMBER OR AUGUST, SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, SHOULD OUR PRODUCTION GO TO SCHEDULE, LIKE THEY SAY, SO WHAT THAT LEAVES IS GM IS THE ONLY ONE WHO'S GOING TO BE OPEN FOR CARGO VANS.

UH, AND THEY ORDER THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OWNER BANKS OPEN, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS MONTH.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HIT CAPACITY FOR PRODUCTION WITHIN TWO OR THREE MONTHS AT THE, AT THE MOST.

SO THEN THERE'S NOT EVEN GOING TO BE VEHICLES OUT THERE.

SO YOU'VE DRY IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY ANY DEALERSHIP, LOTS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEIR INVENTORY

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IS VERY SMALL.

SO IT'S MORE OF TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE TO REALLY FIGURE OUT AND START PLANNING.

UM, I KNOW YOUR POLICE, CHIEF'S NOT HERE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST THE ORDER BANKS FOR THE NEW POLICE CRUISER JUST OPENED UP AND THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT TO BE CLOSED BY MIDDLE OF AUGUST AT THE LATEST.

WELL, I THINK I AM MY OWN PERSON.

I MEAN, I THINK WE, UM, I THINK IT'S WISE HAVING A FLEET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IT'S COST SAVING.

I THINK IT'S MORE EFFICIENT HELPS US TRACK THE VEHICLES.

WE HAVE GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM, FROM ALL THAT.

UM, AND JUST THE MAINTENANCE.

I MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS HELP.

I THINK IT HELPS REDUCE ALL OF THAT.

EVEN FROM THE MECHANICS PERSPECTIVE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, I THINK WHEN WE, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO COUNSEL AGREES.

I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE THIS TO, UM, WITH THIS THE MONDAY'S MEETING OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

LET ME SEE THIS ON MONDAY.

UP IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS A SANITARY SEWER REPAIR, UH, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND MODIFYING THAT CONTRACT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, YEAH, I WAS LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION JUST TO COMMENT, BUT I FEEL LIKE DIAL PARK WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE OR A TORNADO SIREN.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY STORAGE OF ALL THE NEW LEASES.

HOW MANY PHONE CALLS I'M GOING TO HAVE TONIGHT.

SEE THIS HUGE POLE BARN LOOKING THING WITH A BUNCH OF LEASED VEHICLES THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GO THERE, BUT OKAY.

EVEN WHEN YOU PUT A CHARGING STATION THERE, WE'D ALL BE IN TROUBLE.

WE'D ALL BE IN TROUBLE.

THEN I'M GOING TO NEED YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IT.

THANKS SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

AND I'M ACTUALLY, I'M LOOKING VERY FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THIS, THIS CAN DO, A TRANSFORM OUR, OUR, OUR FLEET OF VEHICLES.

SO, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND WE'LL SEE THIS MONDAY, THE COUNCIL MEETING.

THANK YOU ALL.

SO YOU GUYS, OKAY.

[ Sanitary Sewer Repair - Different Locations - Contract Modification]

I COULD EVEN THINK, UH, WHAT THIS LEGISLATION IS FOR IS TO, AS A CONTRACT MODIFICATION, TO INCREASE THE CONTRACT AMOUNT WITH THIRST BROTHERS EXCAVATING, UH, TO START THIS BACK IN APRIL, WE DID A CONTRACT WITH MILLER PIPELINE TO LINE 7,000 FEET OF A SANITARY SEWER, UH, MAINLY IN THE SOUTH END OF TOWN.

UH, THE COST OF THAT WAS 230, 6,000, AND THAT WAS THROUGH AN INI ACCOUNT THROUGH TRI-CITIES.

UM, WELL, BEFORE WE STARTED THAT PROJECT, TRI-CITIES PROVIDED US WITH A LIST OF LOCATIONS FOR THE SPANS OF PIPE THAT WERE IN THE WORST CONDITION AND THEY FELT NEEDED THE LINING AND WE BID THAT LIST TO AND MILLER PIPELINE GOT THE PROJECT, UH, AFTER WE STARTED MILLER PIPELINE, RAN CAMERAS THROUGH ALL THAT, ALL THOSE SPANS OF PIPE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LINING, UH, WOULD FIT THROUGH THE PIPE, NOT GET STUCK.

SO THEY DO THAT EVERY TIME.

UH, WHEN THEY DID THIS, THEY DISCOVERED A FEW AREAS OF PARTIALLY COLLAPSED PIPE THAT NEEDED POINT REPAIRS, WHICH MEANT DIGGING UP THE PIPE AND, UH, MAKING A REPAIR TO THE PIPE.

AT THE TIME THEY TOLD US THEY'D PROBABLY BE TWO OR THREE OF THEM.

UM, SO AT THAT WE CONTRACTED WITH THIRST BROTHERS FOR 25,000, WHICH IS OUR PURCHASING LIMIT TO DO THOSE REPAIRS.

BUT, UH, BY THE TIME THEY GOT INTO IT, THEY FOUND SIX LOCATIONS THAT NEEDED REPAIRED.

AND, UH, THOSE COUPLE OF THOSE WERE DEEPER AND LONGER SPANS OF REPAIR.

AND WHAT IT ENDED UP BEING AS A TOTAL FOR THE SIX REPAIRS WAS $68,700.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE A CONTRACT MODIFICATION OR INCREASE OF 43,751 FOR DURST BROTHERS TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.

UM, WE WOULD BE TAKING THIS OUT OF THE SANITARY SEWER ACCOUNT, WHICH EVERY YEAR WE DO HAVE MONEY FOR CRACKED AND BROKEN PIPE REPLACEMENTS.

SO WE'D LIKE TO USE THAT MONEY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? YES.

SO IT'S OVER THE 25,000.

YEAH, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE THOUGHT THERE WAS ONLY WAY TWO OR THREE.

WE THOUGHT 25 WOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT IT ENDED UP, SO AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE, WHAT'S THAT AN ESTIMATE? HOW MUCH? WELL, THE TOTAL COST WHEN THEY WERE FINISHED, THEY DID FINISH ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

AND IT WAS, UH, SIX REPAIRS FOR 68,700.

WAS ANY OF THIS AROUND THE HARSH MINVILLE LONGFORD AREA.

CAUSE THEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BROKEN PIPES THERE.

UH, MOST OF IT WAS SOUTH OF THAT.

UM, I DUNNO IF WE HAD ANY RIGHT THEN THAT AREA.

I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S THIS IS, YEAH.

SO THESE ARE ALL STILL SOUTH.

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MOST OF THE SANITARY SEWER WE HAVE THAT'S NEEDS REPLACED OR WIND IS MAINLY SOUTH OF TOWN, SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG IN THAT AREA.

IT'S GETTING OLD AND IT'S ALL CLAY PIPE.

NOW WE USE PVC FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THAT PLACE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OBJECTIONS FOR MONDAY? OKAY.

[ Fire Station 25 - Emergency Traffic Signal]

NEXT UP.

IS I IN THREE H FIRE STATION 25 AND EMERGENCY TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

THIS ONE'S FOR ENTERING A CONTRACT WITH CAPITOL ELECTRIC FOR THE INSTALLATION OF EMERGENCY TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT FIRE STATION 25, WHICH IS THE NEW FIRE STATION ON OLD TROY PIKE, UH, OUT BY TRIMBLE.

UM, THIS NEW TRACK, THIS EMERGENCY TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL ALLOW THE FIREFIGHTERS, FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS, THE ABILITY TO ACTIVATE THE SIGNAL AND STOP TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO GIVE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES EASY ACCESS AND SAFE ACCESS OUT OF THAT STATION.

UH, THIS INSTALLATION IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S AT STATION 23, WHICH IS ON OLD TROY PIKE, JUST SOUTH OF TAYLORSVILLE.

UM, THIS WAS REQUESTED BY, UH, UH, UH, MARK ASHWORTH ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO.

AND WE FINALLY GET TO THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO DO IT.

UH, KEITH KNISELY WAS MEETING WITH CAPITOL ELECTRIC A FEW WEEKS AGO TO ENSURE THAT PROPER IN PLACE, THE PLACEMENT OF ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE EQUIPMENT.

SO, UM, WE DID HAVE THIS IN THE BUDGET.

UH, CAPITOL ELECTRIC GAVE US A QUOTE FOR 86,000.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR NOT TO EXCEED 100,000 TO COVER ANYTHING UNEXPECTED OR ANY CHANGE ORDERS.

UM, AND THIS, LIKE I SAID, WAS IN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? YES, ROSA, I KIND OF WANT TO ASK THE, THE TWO PART QUESTION.

UM, ONE WITH THIS NEW INSTALLATION OF THIS FIRE SIGNAL ON THE SAME ROUTE WHERE THERE'S A SECONDARY ONE, ARE WE GOING TO GET ANY FLAG FROM ODAT AND, AND WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCE IS, CAN WE PROVIDE OUR RESIDENTS AT WHEN THOSE SIGNALS GOD-FEARING, IF THEY BOTH HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME IS NOT CAUSING ANY MASS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ALL UP AND DOWN THE PATH PIKE.

UH, I DO NOT THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN CAUSE THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH APART THAT THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.

BUT, UH, I MEAN, I CAN CHECK WITH ODAT TO SEE WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE, I MEAN, I WOULD ASSUME THAT ODAT HAS GIVEN US CLEAR PUTTING THESE TWO THIS CLOSE TOGETHER.

ORIGINALLY WE DID TALK TO HIM LIKE A YEAR OR TWO AGO ABOUT THIS AND THEY IT'S IT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, SO THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY REAL, UH, I COULD SAY JURISDICTION BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A TYPICAL TRAFFIC LIGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR FIRE.

THAT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD OUR I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED.

UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT I THINK WE HAD SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN PRIVATE WITH CHIEF ASHWORTH OR MAY HAVE BEEN PUBLIC.

I CAN'T RECALL, UM, THAT THAT TOPIC WAS TAKEN, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT TAKING PLACE OVER THE PAST THREE, FOUR YEARS.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO GO AND REVISIT THAT.

UM, LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS WE PASS THIS, WE GO TO INSTALL, NO DOTS, LIKE, WELL, CAN'T DO IT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

I'M GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK JUST FOR THAT, FOR THOSE REASONS, BUT YES.

MA'AM UM, FOR US JUST A BRIEF EXPLANATION FOR HONOR THE ANSWER, BUT, UM, WHY WOULD WE BE ASKED TO WAIVE THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS ON THIS? UH, THE MAIN REASON IS THERE'S ONLY REALLY TWO COMPANIES THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK AND IT'S CAPITAL ELECTRIC AND BANZEL, UH, CONSTRUCTION.

I GUESS THEY ARE, UH, BANZEL DID OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT ULTRA AT, UH, THE LAST ONE AT BRANDT AND CHAMBERSBURG.

AND WE HAD WAY TOO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.

UH, IT TOOK US OVER A YEAR, LONGER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE TO FINISH THAT PROJECT.

UH, CAPITAL ELECTRIC.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM THROUGH THE WHOLE CITY TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR LIGHTS.

UM, THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY A GOOD COMPANY AND THEY'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING.

THEY DO SO MUCH WORK FOR US THAT THEY'VE NEVER REALLY COME BACK AND CHARGE US TOO MUCH FOR A PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU.

UP IS, UH, ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE, UH, SOUTH POINT CROSSING DEMOLITION PHASE TWO AND SOLICITING BIDS.

MA'AM OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

THIS ONTO MONDAY NEXT

[ Southpoint Crossing Demolition - Phase II - Solicit Bids]

UH, YES, THIS, UH, ALSO THIS IS FOR ADVERTISEMENT RECEIVING BIDS FOR THAT, UH, DEMOLITION AT MARION MEADOWS.

UH, THIS IS PHASE TWO.

UM, THIS WORK INCLUDES DEMOLITION OF THE, OF JUST THE UNITED FURNITURE AND MATTRESS STORE.

AND THIS WILL INCLUDE SOME GRINDING AND MILLING OF

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THE LARGE PORTION OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THAT STORE AND JUST AREAS TO THE NORTH OF THAT.

UM, THIS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, AND THE COST OF THIS WORK WILL BE COVERED BY THAT GRANT.

UH, ALSO FUNDING WE'LL RECEIVE IS ABOUT $107,000 AND IT WILL COVER THE DEMOLITION AND AS MUCH OF THE PARKING LOT REMOVAL AS WE CAN DO.

UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT TO BID AS SOON AS WE CAN, UH, TO GET THE WORK COMPLETED.

SO IF WE GET THE GRANT, WELL, MAYBE HE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

SO THIS WAS OUR APPLICATION FROM GOSH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO FOR, UM, MIAMI VILLAS.

UH, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO SOME ACQUISITE BECAUSE THE COUNTY FELL BEHIND WITH, UH, THE COVID RESTRICTIONS.

WE MISSED OUR WINDOW WITH THAT PROJECT.

AND SO WE ASKED THE COUNTY TO REASSIGN THESE DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT.

SO IT'S 107,000 OF THEIR DOLLARS.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT A MATCH IN THERE.

THAT'S I THINK IT'S 52,000, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF ACTUAL CASH AND IN KIND SERVICES.

AND MOST OF THAT'S IN KIND, BUT THERE IS A CASH CONTRIBUTION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OF ABOUT 30,000.

AND WE'LL COVER THAT THROUGH THIS PROJECT.

SO THIS IS ALL MONEY WE ANTICIPATED SPENDING JUST ON ANOTHER PROJECT.

SO RATHER THAN LET IT GET AWAY AND GO TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A REALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT.

NICE WORK.

J WHICH IS THE 2021 SIDEWALK PROGRAM ORDINANCE OF ASSESSMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE,

[ 2021 Sidewalk Program - Ordinance Of Assessment]

UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS ONE AS WAS KIND OF WITH JIM BELL, BUT I TOLD HIM I'D TAKE CARE OF IT.

UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS YEARLY LEGISLATION.

WE DO FOR THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

IT WILL ALLOW THE STUDY STAFF TO SEND INVOICES OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE AFFECTED BY THIS YEAR SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

UH, THIS IS ONLY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ALLOWED THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK, THE CONCRETE WORK FOR THEM.

UH, THE INVOICES THAT WE SENT OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER NEXT WEEK'S MEETING AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL HAVE UNTIL AUGUST 9TH, WHICH IS FOUR WEEKS TO MAKE THE PAYMENT.

UM, IF THE RESIDENT DOES NOT PAY THAT WILL BE PLACED ON THE LIST OF UNPAID ASSESSMENTS.

AND THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL ON AUGUST 23RD FOR APPROVAL.

UH, THAT LIST WILL BE SENT TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR, UH, BEFORE THE SECOND MONDAY OF SEPTEMBER.

AND THE ASSESSMENT WILL BE PLACED ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.

IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A YEAR REALLY.

SO THIS COMES BACK TO US IS JUST REMIND ME, DO PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE NOW IF THEY WANT THIS ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES OR WAS THAT THE NOTICE THAT GOES OUT PRIOR TO, AND NOW THE WORK'S DONE AND NOW IT'S OKAY.

IT WAS, IT WAS STATED IN THE FIRST LETTER WE SENT THEM A YEAR AGO THAT, UH, WHEN THIS TIME CAME, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAY FOR IT IN FULL OR PUT IT ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.

GOTCHA.

SO THEN THE NEXT LEGISLATION PIECE WOULD BE THE ONES WHO DIDN'T PAY.

YOU DECIDE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY TAXES, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE SAY YES.

EITHER THEY RESPOND AND SAY THAT THEY WANTED IT UNDER PROPER TAXES, OR IF THEY DON'T RESPOND, WE PUT IT ON THE PROPERTY.

GOTCHA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON? YOU WANT TO WAVE THE SECOND READING ON THIS? CORRECT? OH, YEAH.

CAUSE IT IS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.

NEXT UP IS I AM THREE K THE ADAMS ROAD WATER SERVICE CONNECTION.

AND THEN

[ Adams Road Water Service Connection]

AN ORDINANCE THAT STATED THAT THE WATER SERVICE, ANY WATER SERVICE SHALL NOT BE EXTENDED SERVICE OUTSIDE PROPERTIES, OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

UH, THIS'LL TAKE, UH, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY, I GUESS.

UH, WHAT'S GOING ON GENTLEMEN ON, UH, ADAMS ROAD AT 91 40, UH, CALLED AND ASKED TO MAKE A CONNECTION TO OUR WATER SYSTEM.

AND I THINK I PUT A PICTURE IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU HAVE THAT PULLED UP.

UM, HE FOUND IT AS WELL THAT HE HAD ECOLAB PROBLEM.

AND, UH, THEY SAID THAT IF THEY DRILL ANOTHER ONE, HE'S STILL GONNA HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.

SO HE KIND OF NEEDS THE CONNECTION.

UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A WATER MAN, EIGHT, EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN ON ADAMS ROAD IN FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY.

UH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE CITY'S CORPORATION LIMIT IS ON THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD.

AND THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

AND WHICH IS IN BATH TOWNSHIP IN GREEN COUNTY.

UM, THIS PROPERTY DID, DID FALL INTO A VALLEY WATER DISTRICT THAT THE CITY ESTABLISHED, UH, BACK IN 1995, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THAT DISTRICT, THE HOUSE IS OUTSIDE THE CITY THAT FELL IN THIS DISTRICT, BUT WE'RE ALREADY CONNECTED TO THE SYSTEM.

WE'RE ALLOWED TO STAY CONNECTED TO THE SYSTEM WITH, AT A HIGHER RATE WITHOUT AN, TO THE CITY.

UH, SO THERE ALREADY EXISTS HOUSES IN THIS AREA, OUTSIDE THE CITY WITH CITY WATER, BUT THEY WERE IN THAT DISTRICT.

UH, AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY PASSED

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UM, BUT IT DOES TAKE THAT THE CITY MANAGER COULD GIVE AUTHORIZATION AND ENTER TO AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OUTSIDE THE CITY, IF THEY MAKE A COMMITMENT.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING I GUESS, IS IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION AND LET THEM MAKE A CONNECTION, AND IF SO WITH ANNEXATION, DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE WITHOUT ANNEXATION OR DO YOU WANT TO REQUIRE TO ANNEX, BUT, UH, I GUESS ONE THING BEFORE YOU DECIDE, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS EXACT SAME SITUATION HAPPENED 10 YEARS AGO.

UH, WE REQUIRED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ANNEX AND HE'S ON THE SAME ROAD, UM, FOR WATER SERVICE AND THEY MADE THE CONNECTION.

UM, BUT THEY WERE THE ONLY PROPERTY IN GREEN COUNTY THAT WAS IN THE CITY.

SO AFTER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OF THAT, THERE WAS DECIDED, UH, I DON'T GUESS BY FINANCE AND BY COUNCIL TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE ANNEXATION BECAUSE IT BECAME TOO MUCH PAPERWORK.

AND I GUESS, BECAUSE OF TAXES AND THINGS TO HAVE ONE PROPERTY IN GREEN COUNTY.

SO WE TOOK THEM OUT.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROPERTIES IN GREENE COUNTY RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY.

AND, UH, SO IF WE DID ANNEX, WE CREATE THE SAME PROBLEM WE CREATED 10 YEARS AGO.

UM, SO IS THAT, IS THAT, UH, UH, STAFF AND RUSS RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DON'T YEAH, ANNEXATION BASICALLY, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S MANY PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT I ALREADY CONNECTED OUTSIDE THE CITY.

BUT IT'S STILL UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF JERRY WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE, UH, WE DID HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT STATED THAT, UH, WE DO NOT TAKE IN, UNLESS THEY ANNEX, WE DO NOT GIVE THEM SERVICE.

SO JUST A MATTER OF HOW THAT LEGISLATION, WELL, WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT WE WON'T SUPPLY WATER OUTSIDE THE CITY UNLESS THEY ANNEX.

BUT THEN THIS IS IN ONE OF OUR, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WATER DISTRICTS AND THIS ONE IS IN THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE HUBER EAST DISTRICT AND THE ORDINANCE DEALING WITH ALL THOSE WATER THINGS SAY WITH, WITH RESPECT TO HUBER EAST, AS THEY WILL FOLLOW ALL OUR RULES.

HOWEVER, IF YOU GO TO JUST THE WATER DISTRICTS IN GENERAL, IT SAYS, COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THESE IF WE WANT TO, FOR THESE WATER DISTRICTS.

SO EVEN THOUGH OUR GENERAL RULE IS YOU HAVE TO ANNEX SINCE THIS ISN'T ONE OF THE WATER DISTRICTS, COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE ABILITY JUST TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE IT WITHOUT ANNEXATION.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO AFTER DEALING FOR YEARS WITH ONE PROPERTY IN GREEN COUNTY.

I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

ANYTHING, DOES HE PAY THE COST OF THE HOOKUP? OH YEAH, HE DOES THAT ALL HIMSELF.

HE'LL PAY THE PERMIT FEE TOO.

AND, UH, HE WILL BE WHAT'S THAT YOU'LL PAY A HIGHER RATE FOR THE WATER.

WE ALREADY HAVE A SET RATE FOR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EXTEND OUR LINE.

NO, NO, IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.

HE HAS TO PAY A PLUMBER TO RUN HIS CONNECT AND RUN THE SERVICE TO HIS HOUSE.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

THANK YOU, RUSS.

SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE 91 40 A GENTLEMAN, UM, IF I'M LOOKING, UH, AT THE MAP CORRECTLY, UH, TO THE EAST, ROUGHLY A COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS, THERE'S ABOUT 40 HOMES GIVE OR TAKE.

SO THOSE HOMES, THE NET LOOP, ARE THEY A PART OF THIS DISTRICT? YES.

AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON OUR WATER.

DON JUST MENTIONED THAT, UH, MR. ROGERS AND MYSELF, UM, SITTING ON THEIR WORKLOADS FOR JEW COMMISSION HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH A GREAT DEAL OF LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ORDINANCES THAT DEALT WITH THAT ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

AND, UH, WE DID HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND CLEAN UP TAKING OUT GREEN COUNTY, GREEN COUNTY.

UM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHEN ROSS WAS TALKING ABOUT RED ONE PROPERTY THAT CAUSED A WHOLE LOT OF PAPERWORK WITH THEM ORDINANCES TO INCLUDE GREEN COUNTY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UM, RUSS'S RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, WE DON'T REQUIRE ANNEXATION FOR THIS HOOKUP AND THE APPROVAL OF THE HOOKUP, I GUESS, IS THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT.

IT WILL REQUIRE SOME KIND OF COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THAT.

I'M GOING TO, I WAS GOING TO BRING IT BACK THE NEXT TIME I DID.

I JUST THOUGHT WE'D DISCUSS IT.

THIS IT, YEAH.

YOU SAID JUST FOR DISCUSSION.

SO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER NEXT MONDAY.

OH, ONE MORE PIECE IF I MAY THERE, UM, RUSS, UH, PLEASE, UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND BEN'S EFFECT THAT THIS GUY IS IN GREENS AND GREEN COUNTY.

THAT WORKS.

WE'LL HAVE IT ON THERE.

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CAUSE HE GONNA MAKE PAYMENT ALL AT ONCE TO THE CITY, AS FAR AS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO REACH OUT TO GREEN COUNTY TO ASSESS THE AMOUNT OR IS HE GOING TO PAY FOR IT ALL AT ONE TIME AND HE WILL PAY FOR, IS THE CONNECTION FEE, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

AND HE'S WILLING TO PAY FOR ALL THAT.

CAUSE IT'S RIGHT.

AND UM, DO YOU KNOW HIS TIMELINE WITH HIS PLUMBER? UH, I DO NOT.

HE REQUESTED THIS LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO AND NOW IT'S NOT, HE DOESN'T LIVE THERE, I THINK IS HIS FATHER THAT, THAT RIGHT THERE.

MAKES SENSE.

AM THREE L CARE SHELLS, S A SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR SECTION 6, 5, 6, 6, AND SIX SEVEN IS A RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY AND THEN AN ORDINANCE TO PROCEED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS I

[ Carriage Trails – Special Assessments – Sections 6-5/6-6/6-7 * Resolution Of Necessity]

UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR A CARROTS TRAILS, SECTION 6, 5, 6, 6, AND SIX SEVEN.

AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 97 LOTS THERE.

UH, THIS REQUEST IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS REQUESTS, UM, THAT THIS WILL BE COMPLETELY SELF-FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER.

SO THE DEVELOPER UPFRONTS THE COST TO DO THE WORK.

AND THEN THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT WE PLACE THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, UM, OF THAT TOTAL AMOUNT OF $8,000 PER LOT.

UM, THAT WOULD BE PAID BACK OVER 25 YEARS.

THE CITY WOULD NOT UPFRONT ANY OF THAT MONEY.

THEY DEVELOPER WOULD GET REIMBURSED AS THE PAYMENTS COME THROUGH FROM THOSE ASSESSMENTS OVER THAT 25 YEAR PERIOD.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE IS ON THIS SET OF ASSESSMENTS THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

SO WITH THIS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, AS A, WHEN THE HOME SELLS, UM, THAT SOMEBODY LIVES THERE, THEY PAY THEIR, A PORTION THAT COMES TO THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY SENDS IT TO THE CITY, THEN THE CITY SENDS IT TO THE DEVELOPER THEN.

SO WE'RE JUST A PASS THROUGH ON THIS.

SO, UM, THAT'S THE REQUEST? UH, THIS IS THE STANDARD.

YOU'VE GOT THE TWO, UH, ITEMS OF LEGISLATION.

YOU'VE GOT THE RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY AND THE ORDINANCE TO PROCEED.

THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR A MONDAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

HOW MANY LINES IS THIS? 97.

97.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DID LET MR. CONAWAY KNOW THAT WE'RE MISSING THAT ACREAGE INFORMATION ON THE PETITION AND THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE PACKET FOR THAT FOR THE PACKETS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING TO MONDAY.

UP IS ITEM THREE IN THE 2021 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, WHICH IS THE CDBG GRANT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.

[ 2021 Community Development Block Grant (CDBG)/Senior Center]

CAN WE GO BACK JUST ON THE LAST ONE ORDINANCE TO PROCEED, GOING TO BE TWO READINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.

I'M GOING TO HAVE A SECOND, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT THE SECOND RATING BE WAIVED.

SO IT ALL GOES IN A SIMILAR PATTERN.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

I'VE GOT NO ISSUE WITH, UH, UM, WAVING THAT SECOND READER ON THE ORDER.

UH, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

SO NEXT IS THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT, THE CDBG FOR SENIOR CENTERS? UH, YES.

THIS IS A KIND OF A TWOFOLD CONVERSATION THAT, UH, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF CDBG, UM, FUNDING THAT, UH, MR. TODD KOSKI HAS WORKED WITH AND CAME UP WITH A PROJECT THAT, UH, THROUGH SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH OUR SENIOR CENTER AND SOME OF THE, UM, ISSUES THEY'VE HAD OUT THERE AND SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE.

SO, UM, AS PART, ONE OF THIS IS, UH, THE REQUEST TO APPLY FOR THAT GRANT FOR THE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME ENTRYWAY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FOR LIKE SOME AUDIT COVERED AWNINGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, SO THAT PORTION, UM, IS I GET TO THE RIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE THE COST OF THAT IN FRONT OF YOU? SURE.

THE TOTAL PROJECT IS ESTIMATED TO BE 163,000 AND 115,000, AND THAT WILL BE FEDERALLY REIMBURSED GRANT MONEY.

AND THEN THE BALANCE OF THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF CASH AND THEN SOME IN KIND,

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UM, SO ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAD, UM, SOME DEEPER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SENIOR CENTER.

UM, AND THEN, UM, IN HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, FOUND OUT THAT, UH, ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE BECAUSE OF COVID THEIR, UH, MEMBERSHIP, UM, DUES ARE DOWN, UM, BUT ALSO FINDING OUT SOME THINGS THEY'VE PAID FOR OVER THE YEARS THAT, UM, APPEARED TO ME TO BE MORE, UH, FACILITY RELATED THAT, UM, MAYBE THE CITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE INVOLVED IN AND SOME OF THE BUILDING ASPECTS AND, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING FOR, UM, THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS OUR BUILDING.

IT IS OUR SITE, UM, IS AN AMENITY OF PARK AMENITY FOR, FOR US.

SO HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH, UH, UM, UH, THE, THE SENIOR CENTER ITSELF TO FIND OUT, UH, WHAT SOME OF THOSE, UH, NEEDS ARE, UM, THAT ARE COMING UP.

UH, ONE OF THEM THAT, UH, THEY WERE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THE PARKING LOT, UH, MAN, SOME STORM WATER, UH, THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT ALSO, UM, UH, WINDOWS, UH, SOME FLOOR AIM, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ICE MAKERS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS FOR, UM, THE, THE FACILITY ITSELF.

SO, UM, WITH TALKING THROUGH THIS AND COMING UP WITH SOME ROUGH, ROUGH ESTIMATES OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL, I KNOW MR. BELL WAS LEFT, BUT, UM, IN $80,000 MARK INTO THE SENIOR CENTER FUND, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HANDLE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE, WERE NOT DISCUSSED LAST YEAR AT THE BUDGET TIME, UM, THAT'S JUST COME UP THIS YEAR THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL LEGISLATION AS WELL.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

THANK YOU, MIRROR.

UM, I WAS EXCITED TO, TO SEE THIS ON HERE.

UM, AS I STATED, WHEN I SENT OUT MY CIP DISCUSSION, UH, SENIOR CENTER WAS ON THAT.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM OVER THE YEARS.

UM, OBVIOUSLY LAST YEAR WAS, YOU KNOW, A VERY UNFORTUNATE TIME FOR THEM.

UH, SCOTT HAD SAID THEIR MEMBERSHIP IS GOING DOWN.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOME ISSUES GETTING SOME FOLKS BACK, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE LEGWORK THAT SCOTT HAS DONE ON THAT.

UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY, UM, LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, AMOUNT TO BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, WITH THE CAVEAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PLAN FROM THE SENIOR CENTER ON, ON HOW WE CAN WORK WITH THEM HAND IN HAND TO HELP EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS ON HOW THEY CAN BETTER BE INVOLVED IN THE SENIOR CENTER.

UM, SO WE CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT AS TWO WAYS.

UM, I THINK MEMBERSHIP, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO FACILITIES, UM, AND CERTAIN ACTIVITIES THAT THEY CAN DO THERE, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.

UM, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT'S A FACILITY, AT LEAST IN MY POSITION, UH, HERE THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY PAID A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION TO, UM, AND, AND FUNDED AS WE SHOULD.

UM, SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD.

AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION, MARK.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH RICHARD.

UH, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, INVESTED INTO THE SENIORS, BUT IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE'LL ALL BE A MEMBER OF.

AND I THINK THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, COULD BE, UH, INVESTED WISELY, SCOTT.

TECHNICALLY FROM THE GRANT PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT WAS BUILT, ISN'T OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE FOUNDATION AND THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT OUR SENIOR CENTER IS STILL A VERY VIABLE, UM, ORGANIZATION IN THE SO, SO IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS SINCE THE GRANT STARTED THAT CENTER AND THAT'S OVER.

I THINK THE NEED EXISTS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED OVER THE LAST YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THEY NEED THE MONEY, SO I WOULD SUPPORT ANY REVISED AMOUNT FOR THE VOTE DO WE HAVE, SO CAN WE GET SOME BACKGROUND, JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE LIKE HOW THIS FUNDING IN THE INITIAL PIECE OF THE STORM.

I THINK WHAT I'VE LOOKED THROUGH DEATH LEGISLATION, THAT'S KIND OF STARTED ALL THE INFORMATION WITH THE SENIOR CENTER, THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS DONE THROUGH A CDBG GRANT BACK ABOUT 1990 AND IT WAS FOR A 30 YEAR PERIOD.

SO WE'RE KIND OF AT THE END OF, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, THAT'D BE KIND OF WHAT GOT ME STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS.

UM, NANCY ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD IS OVER AS KIND OF AS 2020 FROM 1990 TO 2020.

SO THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD OF THAT, OF THAT, OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SENIOR CENTER STOPPED IN 2020.

AND I THINK THAT DISCUSSION EVERY NOW NEEDS TO BE THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S

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SO NOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP IT VIABLE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS, THIS PIECE MOVING FORWARD I THINK IS, IS FANTASTIC.

AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF OUR SENIORS KNOWING TOO, THAT WE, WE DO CARE ABOUT THAT RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH THAT GRANT TIME PERIOD IS DONE, WE WANT TO KEEP MAKING INVESTMENTS INTO THAT ORGANIZATION AND KEEPING THEM VIABLE.

AND THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH MRS. BERG.

SHE HELPS, UH, POINT OUT, SO WHERE THE HISTORY AND EVERYTHING TO POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S A TO GET SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS STARTED, THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW, CAUSE IT ALL HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW, 1990 I WAS GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL.

I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT SENIOR CENTER.

IT'S THE LAST THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORY OF THAT AND WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

UM, THAT IS, UH, IT IS A COMMITMENT I THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MAKE, AND, AND FINANCIALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S HOW WE MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE CONTINUED OPERATION OF THAT EPISODE.

UH, ALSO, UH, THERE WAS A BUDGET LINE MANY YEARS AGO FOR THE SENIOR CENTER AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT JUST KIND OF DROPPED OFF.

UM, AND, AND THIS LAST YEAR, THE STRUGGLES THAT THEY WENT THROUGH BECAME VERY, VERY APPARENT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY HAVEN'T LOST MEMBERSHIP.

THEY'VE, THEY'VE ROLLED THEIR DUES OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR BECAUSE IT WASN'T FAIR TO CHARGE PEOPLE AGAIN FOR A YEAR THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ACTIVITIES.

AND THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT THEY'RE FACING IS SAID, UM, THEY'VE GOT SEVEN RUCHI ROUTINELY.

THEY HAVE ABOUT 700 MEMBERS AND THERE'S NO MORE ROOM THERE.

THEY NEED, THEY NEED MORE ROOM.

THEY NEED TO EXPAND THEIR BUILDING.

THE SENIORS THAT ARE COMING IN NOW, UM, HAVE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT THEY WANT TO ENGAGE IN FROM SENIORS EVEN 10 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MIGHT WANT TO BILL YOUR TABLE.

THEY MIGHT WANT, UH, THE THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THE Y M C A YOU KNOW, THE WORKOUT FACILITIES.

UM, JUST, JUST A, A TON OF OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, THAT THE NEWER, UH, SENIORS COMING IN WANT.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE FACILITIES ARE, ARE, UH, UH, AN IMPEDANCE YET TO MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

SO I'M, I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY THAT, THAT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.

THIS WILL HELP THEM TREMENDOUSLY.

I HOPE THAT WE WILL RESTORE A BUDGET LINE FOR THEM IN THE FUTURE, SINCE YOU KNOW, THEY ARE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO THEIRS, THEIR, UH, WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS.

I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE TO HELP THEM THROUGH THAT.

UM, THANK YOU.

I JUST, UM, I'M SO HAPPY TO SAY THIS, MARK.

I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WASN'T THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, DID WE HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE CITY THAT WAS KIND OF A SPECIAL LIAISON TO THE SENIOR CENTER HERE? NO, I THINK THIS WAS YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING.

THE CITY EMPLOYEE WHO WAS THE LIAISON THAT, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY PROGRAM WORK DOWN THERE A FEW DAYS A WEEK AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

WELL, PAT LARSON IS THIS EMPLOYEE AND SHE WORKED DOWN THERE AND SHE'S PART-TIME.

SO IS THAT PART, IS THAT IN, I MEAN, IS THAT A LINE ITEM OF THE BUDGET FOR EMPLOYEE THERE OR HOW THERE, THERE IS, UM, SHE IS AN EMPLOYEE, BUT, UM, UH, MR. CAMPBELL, YOU HAD MENTIONED EMILY CHRISTIAN WHEN SHE WAS HERE THAT, UH, SHE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, I HONESTLY DON'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS OVERLAP WITH, UH, MS. LARSON AND EMILY, UH, AT THE TIME THAT I THINK THERE WAS A GAP BETWEEN THE TWO EMILY'S HERE AND SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, AND THEN ONE OF HER AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY WAS ON THE SIDE.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT THEY'RE, UM, THAT THEY'RE LACKING AND, UH, AS THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WITH EXPERIENCE IN WRITING GRANTS.

SO IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD ASSIST THEM, YOU KNOW, OFFERS HIS SENSE.

IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.

THERE ANY WAY WE COULD DO MORE, LIKE ON THE WEBSITE, WE ADVERTISE THIS SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER TO TRY TO BOOST THEIR MEMBERSHIP, THUS BOOSTING THEIR DUES, LIKE IN OUR WATER BILL OR OUR NEWSLETTER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS AVAILABLE WELL NOW I THINK WE CAN DO IT EVERY ONE.

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I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE JUST NO, IS THAT SOMETHING IT'S ALWAYS, SO IT'S ALWAYS EASIER.

I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE IF, IF, AS WE'VE PROBABLY SEEN MANY TIMES WITH NINE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT MIGHT WORK BEST HERE AND THERE AND THERE.

SO IF, IF, IF OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF IS, HEY, LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP PROMOTE THE SENIOR CENTER AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND REVITALIZING YOUR CENTER AND A NEW COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY.

HOW CAN WE COME UP WITH MAYBE A PLAN TO, TO MARKET THAT? SO PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE PURPOSELY INJECTING, UM, NEW FUNDS INTO THE, THE CENTER TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING TO THE SENIORS.

SO IT MAINTAINS AN EXISTING MEMBERSHIP, BUT WOULD ENCOURAGE IT IN THE NEW ONES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, BRIAN, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

I HAVE ONLY TO THE ONLY THE EXTENT THAT I'VE WRITTEN THE GRANT AND READ THE MATERIAL THAT MS. BERG PROVIDED.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE A WISE IF WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGARDING THE SENIORS AND INCLUDE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, DONATIONS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UH, COVANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, STRESSED A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE SENIORS HAVE DONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER A TIME THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 50% OF OUR FIREWORKS WERE PAID BY, UH, DONATION, UH, AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THE SENIOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXAMINE LOOK AT AND CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THOSE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, IS THIS, UH, GRANT BLOCK GRANT LEGISLATION GOING TO BE ON ANY TIME SOON, BE ON THE AGENDA SCHEDULE AND BEYOND FOR MONDAY IN A WEEK, UH, CONCLUDED THE DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO INCREASING THE AMOUNT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FROM 8,700, I WOULD ASK FOR IT IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO INCREASING THAT AMOUNT.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, RELATIVE TO THE CDBG BLOCK GRANT, THE ACTUAL DEADLINE WAS JULY ONE.

AND SO WE WERE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION IN ADVANCE OF THE LEGISLATION TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, BECAUSE COUNCIL IS EFFECTIVELY AFFIRMING OUR APPLICATION, THE MONEY THAT THE REQUEST HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE AND HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

SO, UM, SENIORS ARE A QUALIFYING GROUP FOR EVERY, UH, CDBG APPLICATION.

AND THIS IS ANNUAL, THIS IS AN ANNUAL REOCCURRING BLOCK GRANT.

SO, UM, TO YOUR POINT, MR. CAMPBELL, IF THE CITY HAD A, A LARGER, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON HOW WE INTEND TO SUPPORT THE SENIORS, LONG-TERM, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS AS AN ONGOING OR REGULAR INJECTION OF, OF, UM, ASSET, UH, ASSETS FOR THAT GROUP BASED ON THAT, THAT PLAN.

SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT FOR THIS SPECIFIC GRANT THAT VALUE'S ALREADY BEEN SET BECAUSE OF THE, THE TIMELINE.

AND SO, UH, COUNCIL'S MEETING IN THE FEDERAL APPLICATION DEADLINE DIDN'T LINE UP AND WE HAD THIS PROBLEM LAST YEAR.

SO, UH, MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THE, THE 80,000 IS THE NUMBER, UH, FOR SCOTT'S NUMBER.

I'M SORRY FOR MR. .

NO, FOR THE GRANT ITSELF, THAT 1 63 FOR THE PARKING LOT.

AND FOR THOSE SIX, THAT'S THE FIXED NUMBER, SIR? I'M SORRY.

MY APOLOGIES.

AND, AND I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT, UH, UH, RICHARD IS MAKING IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT IN THE POSITION THAT I KNOW NANCY IS, UH, CONVEYED TO ME FOR ABOUT THE ENTIRE TIME YOU'VE BEEN ON HERE AS WE, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T TOO MUCH WE COULD DO.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A PLAN BROUGHT BACK MAYBE AT THE NECK WORK SESSION, IF THAT WOULDN'T BE TOO SOON, AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY PLAN.

AND I THINK WHILE WE'RE AT IT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD LOOK AT RE-ESTABLISHING, UH, SPONSORS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAD SPONSORS FOR THE FIREWORKS AT ONE TIME THAT I THINK PAID FOR A LARGE PORTION OF THAT.

AND I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS, UH, FUNDING OF THE SENIORS AS WELL.

OBJECTION ON THE OTHER PORTION OF INCREASING THAT FOR YOU TO A HUNDRED BASED ON OUR COMMITMENT TO THE SENIORS FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THAT FROM ME ON MONDAY.

WELL, GOOD STUFF.

ANY

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AS OCCURRED IN NOVEMBER, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN TO SIR, SINCE YOU'RE A CURRENT MEMBER, WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO? THEY NEED PUZZLES, THEY NEED WE TO DO WHEAT BOWLING.

WHAT DO THEY? ACTUALLY, MY, THE EXTENT OF MY INVOLVEMENT IS PING PONG ON MONDAY AND THURSDAY, EVENINGS TROPHIES DONATED LIKE HELP US NO CASUAL THING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, AND THANKS FOR, FOR ALL WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THEM.

BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ACTIVITIES THERE, IF, IF FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVEN'T VISITED, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY ONLY TWO ROOMS IN THAT WHOLE BUILDING THAT PROVIDES SPACE FOR ANY ACTIVITY AT ALL.

SO IF YOU'RE THINKING, IF YOU'RE THINKING IN YOUR MIND ABOUT WORKOUT ROOMS AND OR EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, STATIONARY BICYCLES, UH, FREE WEIGHTS, UM, UM, UH, DOING WHAT YOUR TABLES.

I MEAN, MY, OUR PING PONG IS A FOLD-UP TABLE THAT, THAT SCOOTS INTO A CORNER NEXT TO, UM, RACKS OF CHAIRS.

SO WE HAVE TO BRING THAT OUT AND SET IT UP EVERY TIME AND PUT IT BACK.

SO YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT FOR ANY, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE ANY ACTIVITIES WHERE YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT GET TOGETHER, UH, THE BEST YOU CAN DO THERE AS BINGO.

UM, THEY DO HAVE SOME EXERCISE CLASSES THAT INVOLVE, SOME OF THEM INVOLVE JUST, UH, EXERCISE FROM, IN CHAIRS TO, UH, TAI CHI MOVEMENTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE MYSELF, CAUSE I HAVEN'T TRIED IT.

BUT, UM, IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO DO A BRAND PLAN, MY OPINION, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY ELSE.

I'D FIND THEM A BIGGER FACILITY.

IT'S TRUE.

IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH TRUE BECAUSE ANY ACTIVITY THEY HAVE DID INVOLVES A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE TO PUT UP THE TABLES AND THEN AFTER THE EVENT, THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE TABLES AND THAT'S HARD FOR ELDERLY EVERY DAY.

ANY ACTIVITY, THERE IS THE ONLY ACTIVITY THERE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM TO HAVE MORE OF THEM.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE TALK ABOUT, WE NORMALLY RUN THE 700 AND WE'RE DOWN AROUND 600, YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T 600 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.

NO.

SO THERE'S LIKE ONLY THREE MAJOR, UM, UH, SENIOR CENTERS IN COUNTY, ONE IN VANDALIA, MA MARIA, JOSEPH, I THINK.

BECAUSE, UM, WELL THEY COULDN'T, THEY COULDN'T NO, I MEAN, AND, AND NOW EVEN IN POST COVID, THEY'RE STILL RESTRICTING NUMBER OF PEOPLE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN ANY ACTIVITY.

SO, UM, EVERYTHING'S BY RESERVATION, NOT OUR PING PONG, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOMETIMES, UH, I MEAN WE ONLY PLAY DOUBLES AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SIT OUT THREE OR FOUR GAMES BETWEEN, SO WE MIGHT PLAY AS A, AS A PARTICIPANT, YOU MIGHT PLAY THREE OR FOUR GAMES AND TWO AND A HALF HOURS.

SO IT'S, AND, AND, AND WE ARE THE ONLY EVENING ACTIVITY THAT'S SPONSORED THERE.

SO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT TO GO BIG OR GO HOME, YOU HAVE TO START THINKING OF, WELL, WHAT'S OUR SENIOR POPULATION HERE AND DON'T ADVERTISE BEING A MEMBER.

IF YOU'VE GOT NOTHING FOR THEM TO DO, RIGHT.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE PARK IDEA.

DON'T, DON'T BUILD IT AND THEN HOPE NO ONE WILL COME BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE REVERSE, RIGHT.

NO ONE WILL COME.

IT IS BUILT.

AND I, AND I APPRECIATE MR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU'RE AWARE, UM, IN GREENE COUNTY, ALL OF THEIR, UH, SENIOR CENTERS ARE FUNDED THROUGH THE, UM, SENIOR SERVICES LEVY.

AND SO THEIR, THEIR SENIOR CENTERS MIGHT GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR JUST FROM THAT ALONE.

UH, IN ADDITION TO THEIR DUES AND OTHER, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THEY GET.

SO THEY'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THEIR BUDGET TO WORK WITH OUR SENIOR CENTER HERE AT MONTGOMERY COUNTY, DOESN'T HAVE A SENIOR SERVICE LEVEE.

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AND THEN OURS, OURS IS TOTALLY VOLUNTEER.

IT IS PHENOMENAL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, EXIST AND TO GET BY AND, AND TO PERFORM IN AND PROVIDE SERVICES THAT THEY DO AS WELL AS THEY DO.

I MEAN, IT'S THESE PEOPLE, THIS VERY GROUP OF PEOPLE AND VERY RESOURCEFUL.

SO YOU TALKING ABOUT GETTING BY, BY THE SKIN OF THEIR TEETH, THEY HAVE FOUND EVERY WAY THEY'VE, THEY'VE PEOPLE VOLUNTEER THINGS.

PEOPLE VOLUNTEERED TO BUY CARPETING FOR THEM.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST GOOD RELATIONSHIPS HAS HAD IT, BUT THOSE THINGS DON'T LAST FOREVER.

YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE MR. BARR, UH, MR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENT THAT WE DO NEED TO FIND A WAY TO, TO HELP THEM, UH, THROUGH OUR, OUR COMMUNITY OR, OR WHATEVER.

SO, YEAH, I THINK CERTAINLY MONEY IS IT SHOWS OUR SUPPORT AND KIND OF A REAFFIRMATION OF OUR COMMITMENT TO THE, TO THE SENIORS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, AS MARK MENTIONED, I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS AND IMPORTANT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON WITH THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR AMENDMENT IN THE LEGISLATION.

WE'LL MOVE THAT ON

[ Sports Commission]

NEXT UP.

SO YOU GUYS IN HERE FOR AWHILE, RIGHT.

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR.

SO WELL, SO I'M REALLY GONNA APOLOGIZE.

SEE, BRIAN.

UM, SO THIS IS SO THE WAY OUR, THE WAY OUR AGENDAS WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO HAVE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH VINCE, UM, AND JOSH, ESPECIALLY REGARDING A SPORTS COMMISSION AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, BUT THE WAY THESE AGENDAS WORK, IF I DON'T GET IT ON THE AGENDA PRIOR TO THE CERTAIN DATE, THEN IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE THE AGENDA.

BUT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WITH EVENTS AND THE DETAILS OF KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING AND GETTING JOSH INVOLVED, I DON'T THINK TONIGHT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION.

SO, SO, SO THE IDEA WOULD BE, UM, AND JUST KIND OF SAY, AND I I'VE TALKED TO VINCE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE'S, THERE HAS BEEN TALK, UH, A LOT OF TALK ON HOW DO WE GET OUR YOUTH SPORTS, UM, BACK TO A LEVEL OF WHERE THEY WERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HAS THIS SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THAT.

UM, I KNOW IT'S, UM, IT'S BEEN DIVIDED AND MIXED.

THERE'S BEEN CERTAIN GROUPS WHO WANTED THIS, WHO DIDN'T GET ALONG WITH THIS GROUP.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASON WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY DIVIDED.

SO THE IDEA REALLY ABOUT A COMMISSION WOULD BE REALLY TAKE SOME SPECIFIC VOLUNTEER PEOPLE WHO HAVE A REAL PASSION FOR IT, FOR YOU SPORTS AND CREATING A SPECIAL COMMITTEE WHERE REALLY ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN WORKING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING BACK AND ENGAGE AND MOTIVATE YOUTH SPORTS.

AGAIN, BACK TO THE LEVEL THEY WORK.

PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE SPACE.

THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN WHATEVER WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT.

DO WE GOT ENOUGH SOCCER FIELDS? DO WE GOT ENOUGH SOFTBALL OR BASEBALL FIELDS, RIGHT.

FROM PARKS AND REC, WE'VE GOT OUR PARKS AND REC MANAGER, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM HERE FROM THE PARKS REC BOARD THIS EVENING, PEOPLE WHO HAVE A REAL SERIOUS INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY AND THEIR LEADER ARE REPRESENTED AT THE TABLE.

WHAT THE COMPETITION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THIS BASEBALL FIELD, BUT THE BACK HALF OF IT IS USED AS A SOCCER FIELD WHEN BASEBALL IS NOT GOING ON, BUT THERE'S SOCCER.

SO I JUST THINK THERE'S, SO THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED ABOUT THAT.

UM, YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT THE, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD HAS, THIS IS TOPIC.

I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVEN'T GOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT ON THAT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS OUT FOR 30 YEARS.

SO, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED 30 YEARS AGO, GROWING UP HERE.

AND THAT WAS EVERY LITTLE LEAGUE T-BALL SOCCER.

THAT WAS EVERYTHING YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT WAS AVAILABLE.

AND I PARTICIPATED IN A LOT TILL I FOUND THAT, NOPE, DON'T LIKE THAT SOCCER.

I GOT TO RUN TOO MUCH.

AND I DON'T LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS, BUT, UM, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AROUND OUR U SPORTS.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S EITHER TIME THAT WE HAD TO GET SERIOUS ON HOW TO FIX IT AND MOVE FORWARD AND ENGAGE PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS REPRESENTED AT THE TABLE WHO WANTS TO BE REPRESENTED THE TABLE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK THAT A, JUST IN MY OWN OPINION, AS SPECIAL COMMITTEE SELECTED WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE

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CAUSE I DON'T THINK, I THINK THERE'S A MISSING, WE HAVEN'T HAD EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE POINT OF, OF WHAT THIS IDEA IS.

SO, SO BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET INTO BIG, BIGGER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW ALL THAT HAPPENS, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATION AND GET SOME INPUT, UM, FROM OUR PARKS MANAGER AND FROM OUR CHAIRMAN VICE CHAIR, THE PART YOUR SO VICE CHAIR, RIGHT.

OF OUR, OF OUR PARKS AND REC BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE WERE GETTING THE INPUT THAT WE NEED AND, AND WHO IDEAS ON WHO WE CAN APPOINT TO THIS COMMISSION TO REALLY MAKE THIS THING WORK.

AND I HOPE THE OPINION DOESN'T COME BACK THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ENGAGED WHO WANT TO DO THIS.

AND WE MAY THAT OUT.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE NEED TO KNOW IT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND WHAT THE IDEA WAS, BUT IT BEING AROUND A, UM, A SPECIAL COMMITTEE AND BY DOING SO WE KNOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY MOTIVATED, ENGAGED, WHO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE OUR YOUTH SPORTS FORWARD.

SO, BRIAN, IF YOU WANT TO SAY NO, OF COURSE I GOT THREE DIFFERENT HATS ON.

OF COVID STUFF AND WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE BACK.

MY NAME IS BRIAN DADDY, UH, LIVE 69, 6, 9 SERENE PLACE.

UH, I AM VICE-CHAIR OF PARKS AND REC ON THE COMMISSION.

I ENDED UP PRESIDENT.

AND RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WRITE SOCCER OF WORKED A LOT WITH RORY SOCCER, UH, I TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT OVER HERE, YOU WRITE SOCCER.

WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER SPORTS.

UH, WE WORK A LOT WITH GIRLS SOFTBALL.

WE ALWAYS HAVE TO GET BACK AND FORTH.

UH THERE'S I'VE ALWAYS BEEN WANTING FOR YEARS.

I HAVE A, LIKE A ROUND TABLE TALK.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY NEEDED.

THERE IS ISSUES WITH HOW SPORTS ARE GOING.

YOU KNOW, NOT SO MUCH RECREATION WAS A LOT OF THE BIG PUSH BECAUSE HERE IN AMERICA, SPORTS IS MONEY.

THERE'S GOING TO TRAVEL SPORTS.

AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE PLAYING ALL YEAR LONG, YOU KNOW, REC SOCCER WE'RE ONLY IN THE FALL, BUT THEN IT GOT LIKE WORRY OF SOCCER AND ALL THE OTHER SOCCER'S THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING RESTARTED.

MY KIDS ARE GETTING READY TO PRACTICE JULY 15TH, GETTING READY FOR THE FALL SEASON.

THEY GO ALL INTO NOVEMBER.

THEN IT'S THE WINTER INDOOR SEASON.

AND THEN MY DAUGHTER'S IN HIGH SCHOOL, SHE'S PLAYING THE HIGH SCHOOL.

THEN SHE'S GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO PLAYING ON THANKSGIVING TOURNAMENTS AND CHRISTMAS TOURNAMENTS.

AND SO ALL HE, YOU KNOW, ALL YEAR OLDS, SINCE A YEAR LONG SOFTBALLS YEAR LONG, THEY'RE WANTING TO YOU, THEY, THEY WANT TO USE THE, THEY WANT TO PLAY FALL BALL.

IT'S THE SAME TIME REC SOCCER IS PLAYING.

UH, EVERYBODY WANTS THAT CONCESSION STAND.

DO YOU SOLVE IT? LILY GOT PUSHED OFF TO THE SIDE.

THEY, THEY'RE NOT THAT CLOSE TO THE CONCESSION TO STAY IN.

SO THERE ISN'T JUST A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH JUST FEEL USAGE.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE LIKE ANOTHER, I'VE ALWAYS HEARD, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A NEED FOR ANOTHER BIG PART OR ANOTHER.

AND I'M LIKE, HEY, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE COULD PUT SOCCER AT, THAT'S BETTER USE FOR SOCCER, EVEN THOUGH HAS BEEN AT TOM'S TOP PART FOR YEAH.

40, LIKE 40 SOME YEARS.

THEN SHE WENT TO CONSENSUALLY AND IT WORKS GREAT FOR SOFTBALL BECAUSE ALL THE PARENTS ARE BEHIND THE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE FENCING WHERE SOCCER IS ALL IN THE OUTFIELD.

SO IT'S A LONGER WALK AND THAT'S ONE REASONS WHY SOCCER WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF PUTTING THE CONCESSION STAND AT THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.

I GOT BURNED DOWN AFTER THREE ATTEMPTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT LOCATION JUST WORKED OUT BETTER FOR US.

SO I, I REALLY THINK THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AROUND TABLE DISCUSSION ON WHERE EVERYTHING GOES, BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE FOR A SOFTBALL, HAVE FENCING AND LIGHTING.

I WOULD LOVE FOR IF LILLY COULD SURVIVE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TWO BAD YEARS FOR THEM.

AND I UNDERSTAND WE, WE, WE LOST WHAT FOUR BOARD MEMBERS, FOUR OR FIVE BOARD MEMBERS, JUST BECAUSE

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SO IN THAT I KNOW LILY WAS DOWN TO JUST THE TWO BOARD MEMBERS AND THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SEASON THIS YEAR.

AND I KNOW A SOFTBALL THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I KNOW THEY HAD ISSUES BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING NINE TO FIVE AND THEN THEY'RE HAVING TO GO AFTER WORK, CHECK THEM WITH SOFTBALL FIELDS AND THEY CAN'T GET THEM READY FOR, YOU KNOW, SIX O'CLOCK GAMES.

SO THERE'S JUST MULTIPLE ISSUES.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

AND I THINK THAT HELPS KIND OF SUM UP WHY WE NEED A WAY TO, TO, TO FIGURE OUR, FIND OUR WAY FORWARD THROUGH THIS.

SO IF, UM, AT SOME POINT WHERE WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND THE RIGHT WAY TO SET THIS UP, I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE COMMISSION, IT HAS TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE, OPEN-MINDED NOT CLOSE MINDED ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE WANT, BUT WHAT'S BEST FOR ALL OF THE PARTICIPANTS TOGETHER.

THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE THAT PROMOTES YOU SPORTS ALL OVER.

AND I THINK THAT LOOK THERE'S FROM, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THERE'S A LOT OF THIS GOING ON BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS THE SAME THING AND THERE'S, AND WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES.

SO WE'VE JUST GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE A WAY FORWARD.

AND THE REASON THAT I LIKED THE RIGHT.

SO THE ROUND TABLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO, WHO WANT TO BE ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FIND A PATH FORWARD.

THEY'RE NOT THERE JUST TO DEFEND EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT.

IF WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST DEFENDING EVERYTHING THEY WANT, THEN WE'RE JUST ENDING UP IN THE SAME PLACE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN.

SO THAT, THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF PUTTING A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THINKING AHEAD OF REASON, WHY I PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, LIKE, IF SOCCER HAD, IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S ON LOCATION.

CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FALL SPRAYING.

HE WRITES REC SOCCER HAS NO DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE A SPRING, BUT AN UPCOMING SPRING SPORT THAT WAYNE IS SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING THE ARTIST SHOULD HAVE HAD HIS LACROSSE.

I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A STATE SANCTIONED SPORT.

NOW GRANTED THAT YEAH.

AND THIS A G WALK SANCTION, AND THAT'S ONE OF REASONS WHY THE WHOLE G WALK SPLIT BECAUSE THE BASE SCHOOLS GOT TO HAVE THE CROSS AND RESPONSIBLE SAID THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POPULATION.

SO, BUT LACROSSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE AT WAYNE, BUT THERE'S NO REPLAYING REALLY PLAYING LACROSSE IN HEBER HIDES BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PLACE FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER LOOKING OUT IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT, SO, UM, SO FOR THIS, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHAT WAS ON HERE.

AND AGAIN, I WASN'T AS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS AS, UM, AS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE JUST BECAUSE I TOLD TONY HE ADDS TO THE AGENDA.

CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA HAVE THE TIME TO TAKE, TO GET ALL THAT STUFF WORKED OUT AND WE WEREN'T.

SO IT'S ON, SO IT'S ON THE AGENDA JUST FROM A TIME PERSPECTIVE OF HOW THIS, HOW THIS GOES, BUT, UH, RICHARD.

UH, YEAH, I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TOPIC.

I KNOW UNOFFICIALLY BACK IN 20 17, 20 18, THERE WAS KIND OF A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY A BACKROOM SPORTS COMMISSION THAT WAS KIND OF A, UM, OVERSEEN A LITTLE BIT BY THE CITY MANAGER TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS GOING ON WITH VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.

UH, THAT WAS ALL, I THINK ALL THE PRESIDENTS OF ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WE MET HERE AT CITY HALL IN THE BACK ROOM.

UM, IT MAY BE SOMETHING WITH OUR CONSULTANT AGREEMENT, UH, THROUGH SCOTT TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, LEGWORK DONE BY ROB ON FORMULATING THAT COMMITTEE.

UM, I WANT TO SAY MAYBE A YEAR OR SO, MAYBE SIX MONTHS A YEAR THAT IT TOOK PLACE THE BIGGEST PART AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WAS YOU HAD SO MANY SPORTS, ALL THE DIFFERENT SEASONS, BUT TIME YOU CAN GET EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, THEY HAD A SPORT OR A SEASON.

AND, AND THEN YOU HAD STARTED HAVING CHANGE IN A LEADERSHIP AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, I WILL SAY FOR THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE MET, I, I THINK THERE WAS GOOD PROGRESS.

UM, BUT I THINK FINDING A, AN OFFICIAL WAY FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.

AND I KNOW THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD MANY YEARS AGO.

SO YEAH.

I LIKE TO SEE AN OFFICIAL HAT ON THIS.

LET ME SEE THE PICK JUST, I'M JUST GOING TO PICK UP THE TORCH OF WHATEVER WAS DONE AND LET'S JUST FIND A WAY, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK MAYBE ROB MAY HAVE HAD SOME PREVIOUS LEGWORK ON THAT.

CAUSE I KNOW, UM, EVERY TIME THAT WE WOULD MEET, UM, HE WOULD GET FIELD NOTES OF EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE MEETINGS TOOK PLACE FROM ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS.

I KNOW A LOT OF THE ISSUES WITH THE, UM, THE FIELDS SOFTBALL AND SOCCER CONCESSION STANDS WERE HASHED OUT IN THE BACK ROOM.

UM, SO IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH DONE, YOU KNOW, A PARKS AND REC I THINK NINO PARKS AND REC WAS REPRESENTED ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THE MEETINGS.

I KNOW THEY THINK THE Y YMCA WAS THERE AS WELL.

SO YEAH.

I MEAN MAYBE SOME OF THAT LEG WORK MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE THAT YOU CAN MAYBE STOP, YOU CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR US THAT IT COULD BE GREAT.

SO YES.

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YEAH, YEAH.

MY NAME IS BRIAN DOLAN.

I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HEBREW SOCCER.

I WAS AT A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS AT THE TIME, AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS SO MUCH OF THIS GOING ON AS THE FACT THAT WHEN THE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD NO ONE HAD AUTHORITY TO ENACT ANYTHING.

UH, SO GETTING THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY PUSH THOSE THINGS THROUGH IS REALLY WHAT'S NEEDED.

UH, THE USER GROUPS WERE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE WITH EACH OTHER AND WORK OUT, YOU KNOW, SPACE AND TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST, NO ONE HAD ANY AUTHORITY TO PUSH ANY OF THAT THROUGH WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SAW.

WELL, SO, SO WE'LL FIX THAT.

UM, WE'LL JUST BE IN A SITUATION IF WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, W WE HAVE, WE HAD A DOG PARK COMMITTEE, I MEAN, THAT WAS ESTABLISHED.

UM, I KIND OF SEE THAT THIS KIND OF GOING THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE MEETINGS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, BUT IT'S FOR A SPECIAL COMMITTEE, YOU MEET HERE OR ON THE DICE, PEOPLE CAN COME JOIN, BUT THERE'S OPEN DISCUSSIONS IN PUBLIC ABOUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

AND, AND I THINK THE KEY IS MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, WHO ARE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD ARE PEOPLE WHO ABSOLUTELY HAVE A VERY STRONG PASSION DESIRE TO SEE THIS, THIS MOVE FORWARD.

AND I THINK, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT.

AND, AND IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE, IF WE CAN'T FIND A WAY FORWARD THROUGH ANOTHER GROUP, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AT THAT POINT, THEN THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO FIND A WAY TO TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

CAUSE WE, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON, ON GETTING NEW SUPPORTS BACK UP IN THIS, UM, IN THE CITY.

AND, AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M SAYING, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAY IS ABOUT, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

RICK FREER, FORMER BOARD MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD FROM WAY BACK IN THE DAY.

AND JUST A VERY SHORT RETROSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THIS IS DEJA VU.

UM, HELP US HELP.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN BECAUSE WE WERE SO UNSUCCESSFUL.

UM, AND AT THE TIME THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD WOULD HEAR THERE WOULD THINK THINGS WOULD COME AT US FROM THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT SOURCES.

I CAN'T GET THIS, I WANT THAT.

WHY CAN'T I HAVE THIS FIELD? WHY CAN'T I HAVE THAT FIELD? AND, UM, I MEAN, THERE WERE THAT BACK THEN, AND I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE BASEBALL LEAGUE NOW, RIGHT? IS THERE ONLY ONE BASEBALL LEAGUE? CAUSE THERE USED TO BE BACK THEN IT WAS CALLED THE HUBER HEIGHTS, YOUTH BASEBALL LEAGUE, EIGHT H Y A YBL AND THE OTHER ONE WAS CALLED, UH, UM, UH, ABA.

AND, UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT WE TRIED TO MAKE OVERTURES TO THE GROUPS AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO, WE, WE COULDN'T GO ONE WAY FOR ONE GROUP WITHOUT IMPACTING ANOTHER GROUP.

AND WE FOUND TWO THINGS THAT WERE DIFFICULT.

ONE WAS, THERE WAS A LACK OF TRUST BETWEEN THE GROUPS.

BRIAN KNOWS JEFF OR WHATEVER.

THEY, IT WAS LIKE, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TRUST THEM TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY THINKING ABOUT THEIR OWN BEST INTERESTS.

THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT MINE, SO I'LL HAVE TO STAND UP FOR MINE.

SO THE COMPROMISE, AND THIS IS WHY I STAYED FOR THE WHOLE MEETING MAYOR IS BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA AND I SAY, OKAY, DOLL PARK IS FIRST.

AND I WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND I SAW SPORTS CONNECTION.

I SAID, WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? THAT'S THE LAST MINUTE AD LIKE TONY, I'M NOT SURE BUT ADD IT.

CAUSE IF WE, CAUSE WE GOT TO MAKE THE PACKET.

SO THAT WAS THAT, THAT WAS ONE THING.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS EVEN WORSE, THEY DIDN'T TRUST THE CITY BECAUSE THEY FELT ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE WOULD REMOVE THEIR INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE THERE ARE ALL THESE VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT GET HEAVILY INVESTED OR INDIVIDUALS FROM TIME TO TIME.

CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TURNOVER, RIGHT.

GET HEAVILY INVESTED.

AND THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT EVENTUALLY THE CITY WOULD TAKE OVER SPORTS.

SO THEY BASICALLY CLUNG TO THEIR TERRITORY, FOUGHT FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN COMPROMISE AND IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.

NOW.

I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE STATUS IS OF YOUTH SPORTS IN HUBER HEIGHTS TODAY.

I KNOW BRIAN, BRIAN KNOWS JEFF,

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MY SON, JEFF, WHO'S STILL INVOLVED IN, IN HUBER HEIGHTS, YOUTH SOCCER, EVEN THOUGH HE LIVES IN INGLEWOOD BECAUSE HE STARTED THERE PLAYING AS A KID AND HE'S BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR WHAT, 20 YEARS? 16 YEARS.

SO, SO MY FAMILY'S BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN YOUTH SPORTS THROUGHOUT THE GENERATIONS FOR THE COMMISSION.

ABSOLUTELY.

YOU WANT OUTSIDERS ON THE COMMISSION? I'LL VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT I'M, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A WARNING.

I HOPE IT WORKS OUT.

I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO WORK OUT.

I WOULD HAVE LOVED FOR IT.

MAYBE IF IT HAD WORKED OUT 25 YEARS AGO, THINGS WOULD BE BETTER TODAY.

BUT I SEE.

WHAT ARE YOU ALL REPRESENTATIVES FROM YOUTH SOCCER? YOU AS WELL, SIR.

OH, FROM THE, FROM THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.

SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM ONE WILLING ORGANIZATION.

GOOD LUCK.

AND I MEAN, IT, I REALLY, WE DO, I BELIEVE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO VOLUNTEER, SO, OKAY GUYS, SO WE CAN HAVE SOME OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE YOU, SO ANY, ANY SPECIAL COMMITTEE THAT ANY, ANY MARROW SPECIAL COMMITTEE THAT'S FORMED COUNSELOR'S DEGREE TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FORMING THAT COMMITTEE OR TO APPROVING THE COMMITTEE EXISTS AND THEN THE COMMITTEES ONLY WORK UNTIL THE GOAL IS ACCOMPLISHED.

AND THEN ONCE THE GOAL IS ACCOMPLISHED IN THE COMMITTEE DOES DISBANDS.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE THERE YET, BUT GOOD, GOOD DISCUSSION.

AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH, AGAIN WITH, WITH JOSH AND VINCE AND BRIAN ON THE BOARD AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT TIMING IN THE, IN THE BEST WAY FORWARD AND, UM, AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

I JUST THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD.

NANCY.

WHEN WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, UH, DURING THE, UM, GENERATION OF THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, UH, CONTRACTOR.

SO IT WAS HELPING US, THE CONSULTANTS, UH, INDICATED THAT IT WOULD BE OF GREAT BENEFIT TO US TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT, UM, COUNCIL, UH, OUR, UH, COMMITTEE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, UM, TO OVERSEE THE, UM, ATHLETICS IN, IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.

UM, BUT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE EVEN INCLUDE SOME, UH, CITY BUSINESS LEADERS, UH, THAT, UM, HAD A VESTED INTEREST, MAYBE SPONSORSHIPS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

PEOPLE NOT JUST THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE SPORTS STAKEHOLDERS, NOT JUST THE TEAMS THEMSELVES.

WELL, I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT STAKEHOLDERS, WE HAVE SOCCER, BASEBALL.

NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO HAVE MORE REPRESENTATION BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, AND SOCCER, IF WE JUST, IF THAT'S ALL WE'RE STICKING TO.

SO YEAH, IT HAS TO BE BIGGER.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE EACH, BUT JUST LIKE, UH, THIS GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME OUTSIDERS TO, TO BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN AND, AND TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES, THAT TERRITORIAL ISSUE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT GETS FIXED.

THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME, NOT HAVING SKIN IN THE GAME ARE, ARE INVOLVED.

SO I, YEAH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'LL JUST SO GOOD.

QUICK, JUST QUICK, PRETTY QUICK DISCUSSION THERE, I GUESS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.