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SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY
[ CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS STATE OF OHIO Town Hall Meeting Regular Session June 24, 2021 6:00 P.M. City Hall - Council Chambers - 6131 Taylorsville Road ]
FOR COMING.THIS IS A GREAT TURNOUT FOR A GREAT PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
SO, UH, BUT BEFORE WE GET STARTED, BECAUSE THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND MYSELF, WE HAVE A, UH, A QUORUM OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
SO THAT KIND OF CHANGES UP THE RULES A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, UM, IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
SO THIS WAS A PUBLICLY ADVERTISED MEETING, BUT IT WASN'T AN ADVERTISED CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR A CITY WORK SESSION.
SO FROM A POLICY DISCUSSION, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WE CAN SAY OR TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE REGARDING ANY POLICY DECISIONS OR APPROVALS OR DENIALS OF THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
OTHERWISE WE ARE CERTAINLY IN VIOLATION OF OPEN MEETINGS, ACTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO, SO WE CAN'T DO THAT AT ALL.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT, MOST OF THEM SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD MR. KING.
THE RECENT COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE INTERESTED PARTIES AND HEARING FEEDBACK AND GETTING CONCERNS AND, UH, AND LIKES AND WHATEVER ELSE ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
UM, BUT WE, WE JUST ABSOLUTELY WANT TO PERCENT CANNOT GET INTO ANY POLICY DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE A QUORUM OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
SO PLEASE, UH, WE WILL, UM, I WILL HELP FACILITATE DISCUSSION ALONG TO, UM, TO MR. KING.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFIC TO A COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU CAN ASK THEM.
UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY REALLY, THERE SHOULDN'T BE MUCH DISCUSSION COMING FROM US AT ALL.
THIS IS ABOUT INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION FOR MR. KING AND THEN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS THAT WE NEED TO HEAR BASED ON MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND, UH, KIND OF AHEAD OF TIME, HOW WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET STARTED WITH JOSH DURING THE PRESENTATION? ARE YOU SAYING ANY FINAL DECISIONS THAT MIGHT BE MADE? WE WON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM? NO, NO, NO.
TH TH TH THERE WILL ONLY BE, NO, THERE WILL BE NO DECISIONS MADE THIS EVENING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THIS IS STRICTLY INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
SO, SO CITY COUNCIL CAN HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED, INCLUDING FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE A DECISION IN PUBLIC AT AN ACTUAL ADVERTISED CITY COUNCIL MEETING SO THAT WE HAVE WORK SESSIONS AND THEN INFORMATION THAT GOES FROM THE WORK SESSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THOSE ARE ALL PUBLICLY ADVERTISED MEETINGS.
WE HAVE CORMS AND THAT'S WHERE LEGALLY OFFICIAL BUSINESS CAN BE WHERE DECISIONS CAN BE MADE.
SO YES, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY DECISIONS MADE TONIGHT AND NOT EVEN ANY POLICY DISCUSSION TONIGHT, JUST INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK.
AND THEN CERTAINLY WE WOULD INVITE EVERYBODY BACK TO ANY PUBLIC WORK SESSION WE HAVE, OR ANY SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETING WHERE ANY TYPE OF DECISIONS ARE MADE REGARDING, REGARDING THE BIKE PARK PROJECT.
SO ALL THAT WILL BE ALL BE DONE OPEN IN PUBLIC, JUST NOT TONIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISED COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WELL, IF YOU GIVE HIM A SEC, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
SO THE WAY THIS WILL GO, UH, MR. KING, WHO'S OUR PARKS MANAGER.
HE WILL ACTUALLY BE GIVING A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE PROJECT.
WE'VE HAD, UH, EMAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SOME PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE, EMAILS, PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, THE, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS PRIOR TO FIVE O'CLOCK THIS EVENING.
SO JOSH HAS PRINTED OUT SEVERAL OF THOSE EMAILS, HE'LL READ THROUGH THOSE.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THROUGH EMAIL FEEDBACK AND WE GET THAT DONE, WELL, MAYBE WE'LL DO THAT AT THE END.
SO AFTER THE PRESENTATION, THEN YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK AND ASK QUESTIONS AGAIN.
HOPEFULLY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE REFERRED TO, UH, EITHER MYSELF OR JOSH.
SO WE CAN FACILITATE THAT DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCESS FOR TONIGHT? YES.
AND ALL OF OUR MICROPHONE SHOULD BE WORKING.
I'M AN AT-LARGE CITY, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, RICHARD SHAW, A WARD ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'M DON WELCOME VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER AND NANCY BURKE CHAIRMAN AT LARGE COUNCIL WOMAN.
I'M KATE BAKER AND I'M WORTH THREE IT'S COUNCILMAN.
AND, UH, I'M BRIAN SHOULD CASKEY.
I'M THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AND LET'S REAL QUICK, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCESS? YES.
FIRST ONE, WAS THERE A SURVEY SENT OUT TO
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THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS PART OF THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN.WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE PRESENTATION TO ANSWER ANY OF THE FUNDS YOU COULDN'T DO.
WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH THE, UM, WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR.
I MEAN, HE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE ARE FUNDS CAN AND CAN'T BE USED FOR.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE FUNDS LIKE THAT, WE WILL CERTAINLY USE WHAT FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO FOR THE PROJECT.
WE JUST NEED MR. BELL OR FRANK STRICTER TO CONFIRM THAT AND ANY OTHER PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
AND I PROMISE YOU, WE WON'T LEAVE HERE TONIGHT UNTIL EVERYBODY HAS ALL THEIR VOICES HEARD CONCERNS TALKED ABOUT AND, AND THEIR WISHES AND HOPES ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
EVERYBODY'S WE WON'T LEAVE UNTIL EVERYBODY'S HURTING.
WELL, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT.
AS I SAID, I'M JOSH KING, THE PARKS MANAGER.
UM, SO I'M GOING TO START OFF REAL FAST, UH, WITH AN OVERVIEW OF DIAL PARK.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, HERE IS OUR CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, UM, FOR THE OPEN AREA OF THE PARK.
UH, WE'LL HAVE OTHER DRAWINGS FOR THE WOODS HERE, UH, LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO REAL QUICK, UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE POINTS WE'LL COVER TONIGHT, WHAT EACH INDIVIDUAL AMENITY IS AND, UH, WHAT TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL START WITH THE OVERVIEW.
UM, SO DIAL PARK IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT WE HOPE TO BE A LARGER TRAIL PLAN FOR THE CITY OF HUBER.
UH, WE ARE NOT A, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED LIKE SOME OF YOUR OTHER CITIES TO HAVE BIKES, UM, IN AND OUT OF TOWN, BUT THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT.
UH, SO STARTING WITH DIAL PARK IS A GOOD JUMPING POINT TO GET US TO THOSE PLACES.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT SLIDE.
WE HAVE A PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE WOULD BE THAT LARGE PIECE IS DIAL PARK.
THE LEFT-HAND SIDE THAT OTHER SMALLER SQUARE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS AT THE DEAD END OF RUSTIC WOODS.
UH, WE CALL THAT THE DIAL PARK EXTENSION, AND THEN THIS LINE IN BETWEEN THE, THE DIAL PARK CONNECTOR THERE, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT DEVELOPER TO, UH, TO GET THAT PIECE OF LAND AND TO WORK SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE CAN CONNECT THOSE TWO PROPERTIES, CREATE SOME MORE TRAIL USAGE AT NO COST TO THE CITY.
UM, THAT AREA WILL HELP OPEN UP TO LATER ON, ON CHAMBERSBURG WHEN WE HAVE THE BIKE PATH THAT WILL RUN FROM 2 0 2, UH, TO THE WEST CITY LIMIT, UM, AND IT'LL HELP CONNECT AND MAKE THOSE TRAILS AT DIAL PARK CONNECTABLE TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM.
SORRY THAT MY BACK IS TO EVERYBODY.
IT'S JUST THE, KIND OF THE WAY IT WORKED OUT TONIGHT.
SO GOING BACK, WE GOT, UM, OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.
SO IN, UH, 2017, UM, THE CITY SET OUT EARLY 2017 TO PUT TOGETHER A PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS KIND OF A TIMELINE OF HOW THINGS WENT.
UH, JULY OF 2017, THE TRANSFER OF THE DIAL PARK PROPERTY CAME TO THE CITY FROM THE SCHOOLS.
UH, NOVEMBER, 2018 MASTER PLAN WAS COMPLETED, UH, MAY OF 2019.
I ATTENDED THE MIAMI VALLEY CYCLING SUMMIT, LISTENED TO A PRESENTATION ABOUT BENTONVILLE ARKANSAS, AND, UM, ANOTHER PRESENTATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CITY CYCLING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WAYS TO MAKE CONNECTIONS AND WHEEL STARTED TURNING.
UM, WITH THAT WORKED WITH THE LOCAL MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB, UH, THEY CAME JUNE OF 2019.
THEY KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD OF WHAT DIAL PARK COULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TRAILS AND SOME BIKE AMENITIES, UH, MARCH OF 2020, WE APPLIED FOR SOME GRANT FUNDING, UH, 20, 21, THE GRANT DECISIONS WERE RELEASED.
UH, THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THAT WAS, UM, WE'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE REGIONAL TRAILS AND ALSO WE'RE NOT ON THE, THE REGIONAL, UM, PLAN FOR THE FUTURE MAY OF 2021.
WE PUT TOGETHER AND RELEASED THE RFP FOR DIAL PARK.
UH, JUNE OF 2021 BIDS WERE RECEIVED.
UM, SO KIND OF GIVE YOU A TIMELINE OF, OF HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY BACK IN APRIL OF 2017, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO WITH DIAL PARK.
I THINK THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS OF, UM, PLAYGROUNDS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, AND GRANT FUNDING THAT WAS BEING SOUGHT FOR THOSE AND SUBSEQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP, YES.
COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY, OH YES.
THAT'S A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
WE REACH OUT TO QUALIFIED BIDDERS TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKET FOR US OF, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE THEM GUIDELINES OF WHAT WE WANT AND THEN THEY PUT THAT TOGETHER AND SEND IT TO US WITH PRICING AND ALL THEIR QUALIFICATIONS AND
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ALL.SO TAKING PIECES OF THE MASTER PLAN, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART HERE, THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE CITY'S PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PUBLISHED NOVEMBER OF 2018.
UM, THIS IS THE TOP 27 THINGS THAT CAME BACK ON THE SURVEY OF ITEMS THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE MORE OF IN THE CITY.
UM, SO IF YOU SEE WHERE ALL OF THOSE ARROWS ARE, THERE ARE SIX ARROWS THERE, AND THOSE ARE JUST THE DIRECT, UH, POINTS THAT DIAL PARK HITS OUT OF THOSE TOP 27.
UM, THERE'S A FEW MORE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HIT AS WELL.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT TOUCHES ON ALL OF THESE POINTS.
SO YOU'VE GOT FOUR OF THEM IN THE TOP 10 AND THEN A COUPLE OF FARTHER DOWN AND YOU CAN SEE NUMBER 25, THERE IS MOUNTAIN BIKE PARK, NUMBER 26 SKATEBOARD PARK.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TOUCHING ON NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT GREEN SPACE, NATURE TRAILS, WALKING AND BIKING TRAILS, UH, NAT NATURAL PLAY AREAS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LARGE, 15 TO 50 ACRE COMMUNITY PARK.
AND THEN LET'S SEE, EXCUSE ME, JOSH, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK, JUST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, THIS PRESENTATION IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, I KNOW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ OR AFTER WE GET THROUGH TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, YOU MIGHT THINK, MAN, GOSH, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER WHAT THAT DRAWING LOOK LIKE, GO TO THE WEBSITE AND ON THE WEBSITE, THIS INFORMATION WILL BE AVAILABLE.
SO YOU'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO WATCH THIS MEETING AGAIN AND HAVE ACCESS TO THIS, UH, TO THE SLIDES AT HOME.
DON'T THINK IF YOU CAN'T READ IT OR YOU CAN'T SEE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE, BE ENGROSSED IN YOUR NOTES AND, AND FORGET THE CONVERSATION.
SO JUST SO THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT RIGHT NOW IF YOU'VE GOT A MOBILE DEVICE.
AND ALSO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS AVAILABLE ON THE PARKS PAGE OF THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
IT'S A, A NICE, 180 PAGE DOCUMENT, EASY READING.
UM, YOU CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET THROUGH IT IN JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY EXCITING ACRES.
THE EXTENSION IS ANOTHER EIGHT.
UM, PART OF THAT SURVEY OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, THE SPORTS AND FITNESS INDUSTRY ASSOCIATIONS, SPORT FITNESS AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES.
TOP-LINE PARTICIPATION REPORT.
IT'S A LOT TO SAY, UH, WAS UTILIZED TO EVALUATE, EVALUATE A LOT OF THE, UH, PARTICIPATION TRENDS.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, SECTION 2.3 0.2 OUTDOOR AND ADVENTURE RECREATION ARE ON THE RISE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, FROM SOME OF THESE RESULTS AND OTHER RESULTS IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, UM, THE RESULTS OF OUR COMMUNITY SURVEYS AND EVERYTHING LINE UP WITH WHAT THAT, UM, SURVEY SAID.
ANOTHER SECTION FROM THE, UH, PARKS MASTER PLAN SAYS WHILE HEBREW HEIGHTS HAS AMPLE ACREAGE AND GOOD DISTRIBUTION OF PARK SITES.
SO MUCH OF THE PARKLAND IS UNDEVELOPED AND OR IN NEED OF SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AMENITIES IDENTIFIED AS MOST NEEDED IN HUBER HEIGHTS BY INTERVIEWEES INCLUDE SKATE PARK, DOG PARK TRAILS, OUTDOOR EXERCISE, FIELD LIGHTING, AND FENCING RIVER ACCESS, INDOOR OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEXES, BIKE PARK, PUMP TRACK, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING FEATURES LIKE PARK BENCHES, SHADE STRUCTURES, FOUNTAIN.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER SECTION, ALTHOUGH YOU SPORTS MAY DOMINATE PLAY A DOMINANT ROLE.
THERE'S A HUGE VOID OF OTHER RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS AND SERVICES OFFERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UNMET NEEDS FOR PROGRAMS INTENDED FOR MILLENNIALS AND ACTIVE ADULTS, SUCH AS FITNESS, OUTDOOR ADVENTURE, AND ADULT SPORTS.
SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HIT ON HERE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE MET AND THOSE NEEDS CAN BE MET THROUGH THIS DIAL PARK PROJECT.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE TRAILS IN THE WOODS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOOPS, AND THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE DESIGNED TO BUILD, UH, ONCE THE, UM, ONCE THE DESIGNERS ON SITE, THERE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE KIND OF MORE OF THE LAY OF THE LAND.
ALL OF THIS WILL BE BUILT, UM, EASILY THROUGH, THROUGH THE TREES WITHOUT REALLY TAKING ANYTHING DOWN.
UM, THE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT IS NO TREES COME DOWN ONLY HONEYSUCKLE, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS INVASIVE ANYWAY.
UM, WELL THE TORNADO DAMAGE ONES, MOST OF THEM ON THE EDGE HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF THE ONES IN THE WOODS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ARE, UH, ARE BEING LOOKED AT ONCE WE GET IN THERE, LET'S SEE HERE.
SO THIS AREA WAS CHOSEN SPECIFICALLY FOR ITS TOPOGRAPHY.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE FLAT AREA UP TOP, BUT AS YOU GET TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THERE, IT STARTS TO DROP DOWNHILL, WHICH FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS IS GREAT.
UM, FOR SOME HIKING IS ALSO GREAT.
THE TRAILS WILL BE SHARED USE.
SO YOU WILL HAVE HIKING AND CYCLING ON THE SAME TRAILS.
THERE'LL BE MULTI-DIRECTIONAL.
SO YOU'LL HAVE, UM, HIKERS GOING ONE DIRECTION WITH SIGNAGE, CYCLISTS GOING ANOTHER DIRECTION.
UM, JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY IN THE MOUNTAIN, BIKING COMMUNITY LOCALLY KNOWS, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKERS DO YIELD.
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COMING, YOU PULL OFF THE TRAIL, LET THEM WALK ON BY, AND THEN YOU GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS.UM, WE'LL HAVE CLEAR SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE TRAILS THAT INDICATE THAT DIRECTION.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO WITH SIGNAGE, UH, TO GET PEOPLE TO FOLLOW ALONG.
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT WILL BE ADHERED TO, BUT, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OF THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE ON THE RIGHT WHEN THE LIONS GET CLOSER TOGETHER, IT'S A STEEPER DROP OFF THERE.
IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THE TV SCREEN.
SO HERE OR HERE, I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WITH THAT EARLIER.
SO HOW DO WE NOT HAVE A RED POINTER? ALL RIGHT.
SO THE NEXT, UM, SO THE MULTI-USE TRAILS WAS THE FIRST AMENITY IN THE PARK.
THE NEXT MINI IS A BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.
UM, SO THIS IS NOT THE PLAN FOR OURS.
SO THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, CIRCLED IN RED IS AN EXAMPLE OF A BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.
A BICYCLE PLAYGROUNDS ARE USED TO TEACH KIDS SPATIAL AWARENESS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT IMPLEMENTS THAT ARE THERE, YOU'VE GOT THE TUNNELS, YOU GOT THE RINGS.
UM, IT'S HARD TO SEE NOW, BUT IN THE MIDDLE THERE THERE'S SOME BIG CONCRETE CONES AND IT TEACHES KIDS KIND OF THAT, HOW TO MOVE AROUND THINGS WHILE THEY'RE RIDING.
SO IT TRAINS THEM TO SAFELY MOVE INTO THE WOODS WHEN THEY WANT TO MOVE ON TO THAT.
UM, IT ALSO CREATES JUST A FUN THING FOR REALLY YOUNG KIDS.
YOU GET SOME OF THOSE STRIDER BIKES THAT DON'T HAVE PEDALS, AND THEY'RE JUST USING THEIR FEET AND THESE THINGS ARE A BLAST FOR THEM.
YOU KIND OF SEE SOME OF THE FEATURES A LITTLE BETTER, YOU KNOW, YOUR BEGINNER AREAS ARE LOW AND WIDE.
SO THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, DON'T FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE GOING ACROSS THAT.
AND THEN AS YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, IT GOES UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AS THE MORE AS THE KIDS PROGRESS A LITTLE MORE AND GET A LITTLE BRAVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT FEELINGS IN THE CORE FOR KIDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS THEM TO GET USED TO THAT.
SO WHEN THEY DO MOVE INTO, YOU KNOW, MORE, UH, OBSTACLES SITUATIONS IN THE WOODS, HERE'S ANOTHER LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
YOU GOT YOUR LITTLE ROLLERS, AGAIN, THOSE RINGS GREAT FOR SPATIAL AWARENESS, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE RIDING NEXT TO SOMETHING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUN INTO IT.
AND THEN AS THINGS PROGRESS MORE AND THE KIDS GET MORE DARING, YOU KNOW, YOU GET SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE HIGHER, A LITTLE NARROWER, UM, AND IT JUST BUILDS THAT CONFIDENCE FOR THEM.
UM, ON THE LEFT IS THE ASPHALT PUMP TRACK EXAMPLE.
SO AN ASPHALT PUMP TRACK IS ESSENTIALLY A BMX TRACK MADE OUT OF ASPHALT, SMOOTH SURFACE.
ANYTHING WITH WHEELS CAN RIDE ON IT.
NON-MOTORIZED UM, SO IT, IT CREATES AN EXPERIENCE WHERE KIDS GET IN THERE WHEN THEY FIRST TAKE OFF THE PEDAL A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THAT MOTION OF PUMPING YOUR BODY.
YOU CAN RIDE THAT WHOLE THING.
I CAN'T, BUT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE THAT WHOLE THING IN A PUMPING MOTION WITHOUT HAVING TO PEDAL.
AND AGAIN, IT JUST BUILDS THAT SKILL FOR THE KIDS.
SO WHEN THEY DO MOVE IN TO OTHER TRAILS LATER, AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU'VE GOT LITTLE BROTHER ON HIS SCOOTER THAT ISN'T QUITE RIDING A BIKE, HE COULD STILL GO RIDE WITH A SISTER OR BROTHER ON THE BIGGER TRAIL AND, AND NOT FEEL LEFT OUT.
UM, THE, UH, THE PUMP TRACK TOO, PROBABLY THAT WILL BE PROBABLY THE ONLY, OTHER THAN THE ASPHALT, THE NON-NATURAL SURFACE.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL PUT, UM, ASTROTURF ON THE INSIDE THERE, CAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET A MOWER UP AND OVER THOSE ROLLERS TO GET IN THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT PART MAY END UP BEING ASKED OR A ASTROTURF.
SO IT THAT'LL BE A NON-NATURAL AMENITY OUT THERE, PROBABLY.
ONE OF THE, UH, WELL, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS PARKING.
UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
THE MAIN OPTION WOULD BE TO PUT A PARKING LOT WITHIN THE PARK.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY KIND OF AN APRON APPROACH DRIVE INTO THE PARK.
SO WE'VE GOT IT SET UP NOW WHERE YOU CAN COME IN, WE'VE GOT 32 SPACES AND YOU CAN PULL OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS WOULD BE FARTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE DEAD END OF WILD VIEW, OVER BY WILD VIEW AND RAIN VIEW.
WE USED TO HAVE THE PUMP STATION THERE THAT DEAD END IS ALREADY A BIG PAT OF GRAVEL.
SO, UM, IT JUST NEEDS SOME HONEYSUCKLE CLEAR, THEN SOME EDGES CLEANED UP AND THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL PLACE FOR PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO MIGHT BE A LITTLE FARTHER THAN JUST IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY TO HAVE A PLACE TO PARK MOST OF YOUR, UH, OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE.
AREN'T GOING TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
UH, SAME THING WITH THE DEAD END OF SANDAL VIEW, UH, THAT WILL DEAD END INTO THAT CONNECTOR PIECE.
AND WE HAVE SPACE THERE TO PUT IN A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES AS WELL.
SO HERE'S A, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, IT SHOWS KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THE, UM, THE, THE BLUE, THERE WOULD BE THE, UM, BICYCLE PLAYGROUND, ASPHALT PUMP TRACK OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THAT PERIMETER LOOP IS JUST ANOTHER, A SKILLS BUILDING TRAIL THAT JUST KIND OF FLOWS AROUND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN IT SHOWS THE PARKING LOT THERE IN THE FRONT.
UM, THE, AGAIN, 32 SPACES THERE WITH AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT.
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AND THEN HERE'S YOUR OTHER TWO AREAS WITH POTENTIAL PARKING.SO YOU'VE GOT THE DEAD END, THE SANDAL VIEW, YOU GOT THE DEAD END OF WILD VIEW AND REAR VIEW.
AND BOTH OF THOSE AREAS ARE ESPECIALLY WHILE DOING REVIEW ALREADY PRETTY MUCH HAS AN ESTABLISHED, UH, GRAVEL PAD THERE.
I MEAN, MAYBE, UM, SO WITH THESE TRAILS BEING MULTI-USE, UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, AGAIN, THERE'LL BE MULTIPLE USERS OUT THERE GOING DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
OUR GOAL IS, IS THERE'S NO IMPACT ON WILDLIFE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE A LOT OF PLACES THAT YOU GO TO RIDE AT, ESPECIALLY MAMBA THAT THE METRO PARKS HAS.
I THINK JUST YESTERDAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY RIDING HAD TO MOVE A TURTLE OUT OF THE TRAIL.
THE WILDLIFE STAYS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S JUST HIKING AND RIDING TRAILS THAT DOESN'T SCARE THEM OFF.
IT'S WHEN YOU START TEARING THINGS DOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES.
UM, THE WILDLIFE WILL, WILL THRIVE IN THOSE AREAS.
WE'LL JUST INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO THEM A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL GET ALONG.
UM, JOHN BRYANT AND CAESAR CREEK PARK BOTH HAVE A MULTI-USE TRAIL SYSTEM OF HIKING AND MOUNTAIN BIKING, UM, WITH MINIMAL ISSUES OUT THERE, AGAIN, CLEAR SIGNAGE AND WORD OF MOUTH, KIND OF HELPING EACH OTHER, UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ACT WHEN YOU SEE EACH OTHER OUT THERE.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, DIAL WAS SELECTED THE WAY IT WAS AS, BECAUSE IT'S AN UNDER UTILIZED PLACE.
THAT TOPOGRAPHY IS VERY SPECIFIC FOR WHAT WE'RE BUILDING AND, UH, LENDS ITSELF TO A GREAT OUTDOOR KIND OF ADVENTURE DESTINATION FOR OUR CITY.
AND ALSO FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD CONSIDER MOVING HERE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE BIG GREEN ON THE RIGHT IS DIAL PARK ON THE LEFT IS THE DIAL PARK EXTENSION, UH, THERE AT THE DEAD END OF RUSTIC WOODS.
AND THEN THAT DOTTED LINE IS JUST KIND OF SHOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO THAT BIG AREA DOWN BELOW IS A DEVELOPMENT GOING IN ON CHAMBERSBURG THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO GET ACCESS, TO CONNECT THOSE TWO PIECES.
AND THEN ALSO POSSIBLY PUT SOME TRAILS IN THAT AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LOTS OF STREAMS AND CREEKS RUNNING THROUGH.
OH, WE WOULD LOVE TO, BUT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND THERE.
SO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, THE PLANS ARE FOR THE FUTURE TO PUT A BIKE TRAIL OR BIKE PATH ON CHAMBERSBURG FROM 2 0 2 TO THE CITY LIMITS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE CITY OF DAYTON CAN TAKE US THE REST OF THE WAY TO RIP RAP, TO CONNECT TO THE GREAT MIAMI TRAIL ALONG THE CANAL FOR WHAT PUTTING A BIKE TRAIL IN.
SO, I MEAN, WE KEEP THIS IN THE, IN AN ORDERLY PROCESS.
SO ONCE JOSH HAS FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION, THEN AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU TO APPROACH THE PODIUM AND SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE BECAUSE SO THE MAIN IS BEING RECORDED AND THERE ARE PEOPLE AT HOME WHO ARE WATCHING.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU'VE WATCHED ONE OF THESE MEETINGS BEFORE, IF PEOPLE ARE JUST SPEAKING FROM THE AUDIENCE, THE PEOPLE AT HOME AND THEN THE RECORDING, IT JUST DOESN'T PICK UP WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO, UM, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS HAPPEN, BUT NOT IN A, HEY, HOW ABOUT THIS? HOW ABOUT THAT? HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO KEEP IT ALL ORDERLY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU COME TO THE PODIUM AND THEN IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE LATER, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T COME BACK.
SO LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST KEEP THAT PROCESS PIECE OF IT GOING.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT COVERS ALL THE BASES.
SO, AND ALSO, SO IN CASE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THE SEA DID ACQUIRE THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE DOLL PARK PROPERTY FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS CITY SCHOOLS.
SO THAT WAS LAYING AS THE SCHOOL OWNED THAT AT ONE TIME.
I MEAN, THAT WAS A SCHOOL BUILDING GONNA GO THERE, BUT THEN AS THE, AS TIME MOVED ON, AND THEN WE GOT INTO BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS WITH THE STATE MONEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, ONCE THE SCHOOL BOARD REALIZED THAT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WASN'T GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR A SCHOOL, THEN, UH, THEY DONE AN AID TO THE CITY.
SO THAT, THAT WAS IN 2017, SUMMER OF 2017 WHEN THAT HAPPENED, WHAT YOU HAD UP THERE.
SO AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THAT WAS GOING TO BE A SCHOOL.
SO, I MEAN, IF I WOULD JUST SAY, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU LIVE THERE NOW ALONG LONGFORD, ALONG DIAL AT ONE POINT THAT THAT WAS A PROPOSED SCHOOL GOING THERE.
SO I THINK EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOME TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT IS LESS INTRUSIVE TO WHERE YOU LIVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT AN ACTUAL SCHOOL BUILDING AND A PLAYGROUND FOR SCHOOL WOULD HAVE BEEN.
SO, SO CAN YOU JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, TRYING TO DO HERE, THAT THAT PROPERTY COULD HAVE BEEN A SCHOOL BUILDING AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE REAL FAST TOO.
SO THAT, THAT PERIMETER TRAIL, THAT'S ALL THE WAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE BEHIND THE HOUSES THERE.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S SET TO NOT BE ANY CLOSER THAN 25
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FOOT TO ANY OF THE PROPERTY LINES, WHICH LEAVES US ROOM TO PUT IN A HEDGE ROW OF TREES TO KIND OF BUFFER SOME OF THAT AREA FOR SIGHT LINES, FOR NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, SO WE'VE GOT THE SPACE THERE TOO, TO KIND OF PROTECT SOME OF THAT, UM, AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, SOME OF THAT'S ADJUSTABLE AND CAN BE MOVED OUT AS WELL, SO, OKAY.
SO ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, WHO HAS QUESTIONS? SO AGAIN, IF, AS YOU GO TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE, JOSH HAS RPA LEAVE A PEN UP THERE.
SO, SO AS YOU GO TO THE PODIUM TO ASK HER A QUESTION, JUST PLEASE, YOU JUST PRINT YOUR NAME.
SO WE HAVE KIND OF A LIST OF, OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, UM, THAT ACTUALLY SPOKE AT THE MEETING.
SO WE HAVE THAT, UH, FOR THE RECORDING.
SO LET US, YEAH, LET US KNOW YOUR NAME, PRINT IT, AND THEN FEEL FREE, CERTAINLY TO ASK ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT.
THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN ONE.
I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UH, LONGFORD.
I'M GOING TO HAVE A PARKING LOT TO LOOK AT FROM NOW ON, INSTEAD OF THE GREEN, INSTEAD OF THE TREES, THERE'S NO BUFFERING A PARKING LOT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MY SIDE OF THE STREET, I AM MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER WALKED THAT AREA OR BEEN THAT WAY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT COMES FROM RIP WRAP UP THROUGH THERE.
THE WILDLIFE THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE FOR THEM TO GO.
THEY'RE 75, 76, 75 AND DOWNTOWN DATE.
THE WILDLIFE THAT IS IN THAT I'VE SEEN AS MANY AS 10 DEER GRAZING OUT THERE IN THE, IN THAT RACCOONS, WHATEVER YOU NAME IT, THEY'RE IN THEIR HAWKS FOR THE TREES AND EVERYTHING.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE BETTER OFF AS A WETLAND.
THERE'S A BROOK BACK IN THERE.
THAT'S ONE REASON WHY THE ANIMALS GO THERE.
THERE THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE FOR THEM TO GO.
IT'S ALSO A VERY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, LOW CRIME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING OURSELVES INTO.
IT KIND OF SCARES ME TO THINK OF THE TRAFFICKING THAT MAY BE GOING ON.
THE TRAFFIC THAT LONGFORD IN DIAL IS NOT PREPARED FOR IN THIS RURAL AREA.
I'M JUST, I CAN'T COME UP WITH A POSITIVE, I DON'T BEGRUDGE CHILDREN HAVING SOMEPLACE TO GO.
I THINK THAT WAS FINE TOO, BUT BUILD IT SOMEPLACE ELSE IS MY POINT OF VIEW.
WE'VE GOT PLACES AND FIELDS SITTING EMPTY ALL OVER HUBER HEIGHTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE WILDLIFE THAT WE HAVE, WHERE WE ARE AT.
SOMETIMES YOU COULD HEAR A PIN DROP.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT REALLY READY FOR THIS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DON'T WANT THIS.
AND IF YOU REALLY ASK THEM ABOUT THAT, I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT OUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BRING US IN THE END.
BY THE TIME YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR BIG PICTURE OF CONNECTING IT HERE AND CONNECTING IT THERE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING JUST A LITTLE PARK.
THIS IS A BIG DEAL WITH ALL THE RAMPS, THE TEARING UP.
WOULD YOU SAY, PUT DOWN TURF, WHY DO WE NEED TURF IN A FIELD? I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT'S TOO EXTREME.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WALKING PATHS.
I EXERCISE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AND EVERYTHING THROUGH THERE.
I THINK YOUR BACK YOUR, YOUR BIKE PATHS ARE VERY BAD DECISION AND WON'T WORK THAT WELL IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
PLEASE COME OVER, WALK THE AREA BACK THROUGH THERE AND SEE WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU.
I SAW A MAMA DEER COME OUT OF THERE JUST THE OTHER DAY WITH HER BABY.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WILDLIFE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE AND THE PRIVACY.
SO CAN I SHOW AND APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS? CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION REAL QUICK AS A FOLLOWUP? IS YOUR, IS YOUR BIGGER CONCERN WHAT YOU WERE SEEING FROM THE HOUSE? OR IS IT EVERYTHING TOGETHER? BECAUSE THE, SO I SEE THIS AS KIND OF TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE TRAILS I LIVE RIGHT THERE IN THAT SECOND HOUSE FROM THE CORNER OF DIAL DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT.
SO IF YOU, SO YOU, ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS IT? OPEN GREEN SPACE, GREEN SPACE, RIGHT.
BUT THE BIKING, MY POINT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THE BIKING TRAILS RIGHT THERE, THE TRAIL SYSTEM THOUGH.
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YOU WON'T SEE THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.SO IS THE ISSUE MORE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE GREEN SPACE, BECAUSE THE TRAILS ARE GOING TO BE HEADING, YOU WON'T SEE THE TRAILS, YOU'RE GOING WELL, WHAT'S THE PATH.
WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S ALL THAT PATH.
IF THAT'S ALL IN THE OPEN SPACE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKING.
THIS IS MORE OF THE BIKE PLAYGROUND AND THE PARK TRACK UP BY THIS PART OF THE PARKING LOT.
LET ME MAKE SURE THIS IS ON OUTSIDE.
THAT IS A PERIMETER, A SKILLS' TRAIL.
IT'S IT'S THERE FOR THE KIDS TO BUILD SKILLS BEFORE THEY MOVE INTO THE WOODS.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF THAT WASN'T THERE, BUT THE MOUNTAIN, BUT THE MOUNTAIN BIKE UNDERSTAND.
SO, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
IF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS THERE, THOSE ARE ALL HIDDEN.
THOSE ARE ALL BACK IN THE WOODS, NOT GOING TO SEE TREES AND MAKE IT SO THE WILDLIFE CAN SURVIVE BACK THERE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET DONE DOING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, ARE YOU GOING TO SCARE THEM ALL OUT OF THERE WITH THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE BEING BACK THERE THAT THEY'LL NO LONGER GATHER BACK THERE WITHIN? WHERE DO THEY GO ALSO? YES.
I LOVE GETTING UP AND WALK AND DRINKING MY COFFEE IN THE MORNING AND LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND SEEING, OR OPENING MY GARAGE DOOR AND SEEING THE WILDLIFE AND SEEING THE GREEN SPACE I HAVE AND THE PRIVACY.
AND I'M SURE A LOT OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THE PRIVACY THAT THEY HAVE, IT'S, IT'S A UNIQUE AREA.
IT'S A QUIET WELL-ESTABLISHED AREA.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT WAY WHEN YOU GET DONE.
SO, SO ARE YOU MORE OPPOSED TO THE WHAT'S IN THE GREEN SPACE VERSUS THE TRAILS THAT ARE IN THE WOODS? THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT TRAILS SO THAT THE WILDLIFE AND EVERYTHING CAN STILL MAYBE BE MAINTAINED AND SURVIVED BACK THERE.
THAT WOULD BE FINE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BIKE TRAILS THAT ARE BACK IN THE BACK, AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE TREES AND ALL THE NAKED AND MAKE A NATURE WALK.
I MEAN, I COULD EVEN SEE A NATURE WALK BACK THERE, THE WAY THINGS ARE AND MAKING A TRAILS TO WALK ON, BUT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ABOUT THE BIKES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I, I, I CAN'T SEE IT AND I CAN'T SEE WHAT IS GOING TO DO TO OUR AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY QUIET, PEACEFUL AREA.
AND LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG I'VE BEEN THERE 35 YEARS HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
I DON'T WANT THE CHANGE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO KEEP KIDS OR I HAVE TO BIG EXERCISE FOR KIDS GETTING OUTSIDE.
IT'S JUST YOU PICK THE WRONG AREA.
SO DID YOU WRITE YOUR NAME DOWN ON THE PACKET? OKAY.
APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS NEXT.
I AM DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE GREEN SPACE.
SO, UM, I KNOW SOME GENTLEMEN CAME OUT EARLIER TODAY AND WAS TALKING ABOUT IT.
UM, I'M GOING TO BE MORE KIND OF BULLET POINT THAN THE NECESSARILY LIKE CATERED A WHOLE SPIEL.
UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED NOISE, UM, COMING FROM THAT AREA, OBVIOUSLY NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A CONGREGATION, YOU KNOW, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN CONGREGATE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL THESE KIDS THERE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY YELLING, SCREAMING, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
UM, I SPECIFICALLY BOUGHT THAT HOUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REAR NEIGHBORS.
UM, WHEN I WAS JOB HUNTING OR HUNTING, UM, I WENT TO A HOUSE THAT WAS IN FAIRBORN, LIKE FIVE, UH, BACKYARDS, ALL MET IN THE BACK AND IT WAS SCREAMING, KIDS, DOGS BARKING.
I WALKED OUT, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A BEAUTIFULLY RECENTLY REDONE HOUSE, I WAS LIKE, NOPE, I DON'T WANT TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR THIS.
SO SPECIFICALLY BOUGHT IT BECAUSE IT HAS THE GREEN SPACE.
IT HAS THE NICE VIEW, UM, SOMETHING I GREW UP WITH, UH, AND EVERYTHING AT ALL.
UM, ALSO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC TRAFFIC THAT WE NORMALLY DON'T HAVE IS GOING TO BE COMING TO THAT AREA WITH THE PARKING.
UM, ALSO YOU STILL GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY AFFECTED BY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT IN THAT SAME SPACE, I'M JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE THREE WITH THE PROPOSED PIECE? SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THIS VIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY AND SECURITY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T COMING, YOU KNOW, AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, CAUSE THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, NOW THERE'S THIS SPACE BACK THERE THAT THEY CAN GO PLAY AND DO THINGS.
AND THIS IS, THIS COULD BE THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
MY MASTER BEDROOM IS ON THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THAT.
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YOU GOING TO HAVE IT GATED WHERE THEY CAN'T JUST RANDOMLY WRITE UP? I KNOW YOU SAY THAT IT'S NOT FOR MOTORIZED, BUT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BLOCK THAT ALL OFF.SO NO ONE WITH DIRT BIKES CAN COME UP.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW.
BUT THIS WILL BE ENCOURAGING THEM BECAUSE NOW THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE THE PAST THAT THEY CAN GO ON.
THERE'S THE LITTLE RAMPS OR THE ROLES THAT THEY COULD GO ON IF THEY WANTED TO.
UM, SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OUR PROPERTIES? YOU KNOW, OR OUR ABILITY TO RESELL THE, UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD, UH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY ALSO BOUGHT THIS HOUSE FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S GREEN SPACE BEHIND THEM OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM.
YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES IT, THERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GETTING PROBABLY HARDER, I WOULD THINK.
AND NOWADAYS, BECAUSE LOTS OF THE APARTMENT COMP OR THE SORRY DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE COMING UP, THE RYAN HOMES OF THE WORLD, LIKE EVERYTHING'S REALLY TINY, YOU KNOW, LIKE SUPER SMALL YARD, YOUR BACK BACK, IT'S HARDER TO FIND THOSE, ESPECIALLY IN CERTAIN PRICE POINTS.
UM, DOES IT IN A INVITE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? IS IT NOW AGAIN, CONGREGATING SPOT? IS IT GOING TO BITE, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT WE DON'T MAY NOT HAVE? I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOME THERE NOW, BUT DOES THAT GOING TO INCREASE THAT PUMP POSSIBLE CHANCE? UM, NO ONE TALKED ABOUT SANITATION.
LIKE NOW YOU'RE HAVING, AGAIN, PEOPLE COMING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HANGING OUT THERE.
WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? IS IT NOW GOING TO BLOW INTO MY YARD? YES, I HAVE A FENCE, BUT IS IT GOING TO NOW BE ALONG A LOT? MY FENCE LINE, WE ALREADY GET ENOUGH OF THAT.
I, EVERY DAY I WALK OUT, THERE'S A PIECE OF TRASH IN MY YARD AND THAT CAN BE ONE RIDE PRIOR REASONS, BUT IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE INCREASED.
UM, HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR IT? IS IT GOING TO BE FROM RAISING TAXES? UM, WHICH THE GENTLEMAN SHARED EARLIER THAT MAYBE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE, BUT STILL THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT I HAD.
UM, IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE LIGHTED, SO NO LIGHT POLLUTION, CORRECT.
UM, WHEN THE COURSE WAS THE PARKING PIECE, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS, OF LIKE BEING DIRECTLY AFFECTED SINCE MY HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU SEE WHICH ONE OF THE WHITE HOUSES THERE? THE THIRD ONE IN, FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE INTERSECTION THIRD ONE DOWN.
SO I COULDN'T TAKE NOTES ON THE, TO REMEMBER HERE.
SO, UH, I CHECKED EARLIER CONSERVATION TOOLS.ORG PUT OUT A STUDY IN 2020.
UH, PROXIMITY TO PARKS IS INCREASES PROPERTY VALUE AND INCREASES REVENUE FROM PROPERTY TAXES.
A PROPERTY VALUES HAS SHOWN THAT A 5% INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES FOR HOUSES WITHIN 500 FEET OF A PARK IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF THE CHANGE IN PROPERTY VALUE DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF A PARK.
SO DID WAS THE SURVEY OR THE STUDY, PLEASE, PLEASE.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME DECORUM HERE, SO EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERTZ.
SO WAS THAT SPECIFIC TO JUST A GENERAL LIKE GREEN SPACE PARK OR WAS IT SPECIFIC TO HAVING THIS TYPE OF A PARK IN SOMEONE'S AREA OR RIGHT BEHIND THEIR HOUSE OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME? WHAT I READ THROUGH THAT, DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN SPECIFICALLY BY GREEN SPACE OR PARKS.
IT JUST PUT PARKS IN A GENERAL CATEGORY.
SO IT DID NOT BREAK IT DOWN SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS INTO IT OF, I WOULD SAY THAT YES, A GENERAL PARK GREEN SPACE PARK PROBABLY DOES HELP BECAUSE THERE'S PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO DO THINGS WITH TRAILS, BUT THIS TYPE OF A PARK WITH THE BIKE PATH PIECE OF IT OR THE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THE PUMP TRACK.
UM, THE PUMP TRACK PIECES OF IT IS CONCERNING BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A PARK COMPARED TO JUST A GREEN SPACE PARK OR YES, THERE MIGHT BE A TRAIL OR WALKING PATHS THROUGH IT.
DO I NEED TO, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH? NO, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE MOTORIZED VEHICLES, THE, I GET, I FORGET THE LADY'S NAME.
SHE CALLS ME A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH, BUT THERE ARE DIRT BIKES RIDING AROUND.
CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY TRAILS IN THE WOODS BACK THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN BACK THERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.
THERE'S REALLY HIGH, REALLY DANGEROUS JUMPS BACK THERE, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT BY KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DIRT BIKES FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD ARE COMING IN FROM THE BACKSIDE.
I TOLD HER TO CALL POLICE WHEN SHE HEARS HIM.
SO WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS, I MEAN, GETTING AN OFF, IT'S ALREADY FENCED OFF OR NOT FENCED OFF, THERE'S A WIRE AND A CHAIN THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT NOW.
WE CAN'T CONTROL PEOPLE COMING IN AFTER HOURS.
WE GET IT AT OTHER PARKS ALREADY.
UM, I MEAN THE PARK CLOSES AT DARK, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK IN THE WOODS BEHIND THERE WITH THE TRASH AND BICYCLES HANGING IN THE TREES THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO THAT KIND OF STUFF'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
WE DO OUR BEST TO CONTROL IT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PART, YOU KNOW, POLICE COME THROUGH, THEY DO THEIR PATROL, BUT YOU CAN ONLY SEE WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ROAD.
SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT IS, THAT IS A PORTION OF IT THAT WE DO OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN,
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UM, OUR, OUR SHOE DEPARTMENT, OUR, UH, SUMMER HELP.THEY GENERALLY SPEND A COUPLE HOURS EVERY DAY GOING THROUGH ALL THE PARKS, TAKING OUT TRASH, PICKING UP TRASH THAT'S AROUND.
AND THAT IS CERTAINLY WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, IT'LL, IT WON'T GET SKIPPED JUST BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SO FAR SO WELL, I GUESS ADDING THE PARKING LOT TO ME CAN INVITE MORE PEOPLE NOW COMING WITH, IF IT'S NOT BLOCKED OFF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN NOW GO AND PARK AND DROP OFF THEIR BIKE AND THEN GO AND DO THAT.
NOW THEY HAVE POTENTIALLY MORE EASIER ACCESS TO, UM, THOSE TRAILS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT ALL COMES FROM ON THE BACK END SIDE OF IT FROM JUST MY SPACE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO INVITE PEOPLE TO HELL THERE'S A PARKING LOT.
I CAN COME TO YOU AND HAVE MY CAR OR MY, UH, THE, MY TRUCK WHILE I GO RUN IN THE BACK WITH THE, UM, THE DIRT BIKES.
WELL, THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT WILL CALL AND IF THEY SEE THAT AND TAKE CARE OF IT, BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU HEAR IT, PLEASE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR IT.
WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT ALREADY BECAUSE OF THE ONES THAT ARE RUNNING ON THAT PROPERTY NOW.
SO YEAH, THE TRAILS HAVE BEEN BACK.
I MEAN, 35 YEARS AGO, I WAS RIDING MY BIKE BACK THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THOSE, THE TRAILS THAT ARE BACK THAT ARE BACK THERE.
WE JUST CALL THEM THE DOWEL TRAILS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT'S WHERE WE ALL WENT AND, AND RODE OUR BIKES AND ON THOSE PATHS AND, UM, PLACES THAT WERE NOT SO OVERGROWN AND WE GO OFF OUR BIKES, SO HANG OUT AND TALK AND, AND GET BACK ON OUR BIKES AND RIDE ALL AROUND ME.
I I'VE SPENT MORE TIME BACK IN THOSE WOODS AND I CAN EVEN, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO DEFINITELY MORE THAN 30 YEARS, I MEAN, SO IT WAY BACK IN THE EARLY AND MID EIGHTIES, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DID, BUT, UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN AT ALL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND HEAR AND HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, UH, I DIDN'T LIVE THERE, SO MY PARENTS DIDN'T, SO I DIDN'T GET ANY OF ALL THAT STUFF.
I MEAN, I RODE FROM QUITE A BIT OF WAYS TO GET, TO GET TO THOSE TRAILS WHERE ALL MY, I HAD LOTS OF FRIENDS THAT LIVE ON THE ANGELINA AND YOU KNOW, ALL BACK IN THAT AREA, LOCUS FIELD AND CRESTS, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S ALL, THAT'S WHERE WE ALL WENT WAS WAS THOSE TRAILS.
BUT SO I'D ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
ARE YOU MORE OPPOSED TO THE TRAILS ALTOGETHER? OR IS IT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE GREEN SPACE? CAUSE THE TRAILS WILL BE HIDDEN.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THOSE CAUSE THEY KIND OF EXIST ALREADY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A BIGGER EXPANSION OF THOSE TRAILS.
THAT IS IT THE TRAILS OR THE, OR THE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS ME RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, WELL, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT ME, AFFECT ME ONCE YOU PUT THAT IN BECAUSE THE GREEN SPACE RIGHT NOW IS ALL GREEN SPACE.
SO WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO GO? YES.
JOSH, CAN YOU ADDRESS HER LIGHT CONCERNS? YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TRASH AND THEN PAYING FOR IT.
THERE WON'T BE LIGHTS IN THE PARK, BUT AGAIN, SINCE IT CLOSES AT DARK, UM, THERE WON'T BE LIGHTS THERE.
I MEAN YOU HAVE STREET LIGHTS.
I CAN'T SEE WHERE BUT ALONG LONGFORD, BUT YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING AND THEN AS FAR AS PAYING FOR IT, I BELIEVE IT WAS APPROPRIATED.
THE MONEY WAS APPROPRIATED LAST YES.
SO FROM A TAX, I'LL JUST ADDRESS THIS AS A, I MEAN, I'LL SAY AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE NO FUTURE PLANS TO INCREASE OUR CITY INCOME TAX.
I MEAN, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE ARE WE GETTING OUR INFORMATION AND WHAT YOU HEAR, BUT FINANCIALLY SPEAKING, THE CITY'S FINANCES ARE IN FANTASTIC SHAPE.
WE'VE GROWN OUR GENERAL FUND FROM 9 MILLION TO $14 MILLION OVER THE LAST THREE AND A HALF, FOUR YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, OUR, WE JUST HAD AN AUDIT DONE.
OUR CREDIT RATING IS JUST AS GOOD TODAY AS IT EVER HAS BEEN CONSIDERING WE HAVE TAKEN ON SOME DEBT FOR THE BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, WE'VE SPENT MONEY, WE'VE INVESTED MONEY IN THIS CITY EXPECTING TO GET A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
AND, AND OUR GOAL ALWAYS IS TO MAKE YOU RIGHTS, A BETTER PLACE WHERE YOU GO TO WORK, LIVE AND PLAY.
SO WE'VE DONE ALL THAT, BUT ALL, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT PARKS.
PARKS IS THE AREA THAT THERE'S REALLY NO RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
THAT'S JUST AN AMENITY THAT MAKES THE COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE FOR EVERYONE.
THROWS MUSIC CENTER IS THE GENERATOR OF INCOME THAT WE USE TO INVEST IN THE PARKS.
SO THE ROSE IS PART OF OUR PARKS REC BUDGET BECAUSE THE PARKS HAS A BIG EXPENSE PIECE TO IT.
BUT THE ROSE IS THE INCOME GENERATOR THAT WE USE TO ALLOCATE MONEY.
IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL THEN THAT WE ALLOCATE TO OUR TWO PARKS SPENDING.
CAUSE PARKS IS AGAIN, OUR BUDGET IS ONLY AN EXPENSE ITEM.
THERE IS AN INCOME LINE OTHER THAN THE ROWS, BUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE HAVE INCOME STREAMS COMING INTO THE CITY TO PAY FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BUILT, PURCHASED PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE.
THERE'S INCOME DEDICATED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO FINANCIALLY SPEAKING, THE CITY IS AN, WHEN ALL OF YOU TO KNOW WE ARE IN A EXTREMELY HEALTHY POSITION FINANCIALLY AND INVESTING IN OUR PARKS
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IS JUST INVESTING IN ALL OF YOU.IT'S INVESTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S INVESTING IN THE CITY THAT WE ALL WANT TO STAY IN.
WHEN I LOOK AT ALONE, OUR LONGTERM VISION FOR THE CITY IS PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE WHERE WE HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS THAT ARE SAFE AND WHERE THEY CAN RAISE THEIR FAMILY AND, AND STAY.
AND IN ORDER FOR HUBER HEIGHTS TO BECOME THAT LONG-TERM RESIDENTS OF, OF PEOPLE THAT'S ULTIMATELY GONNA HELP OUR SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING.
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IN AND HAVE ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING.
THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, STEP UP HOUSING.
THEY CAN MOVE INTO AND THEIR PEAK EARNING YEARS AND THEN HOUSING, THEY CAN TIRING AND THEN THEIR FAMILIES WILL STAY HERE.
BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THEIR FAMILIES TO DO THE ONLY THING FOR THEIR KIDS TO DO AND, UH, AND ENJOY BEING HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STAY HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
IF WE ARE BRINGING IN YOUNG AND FAMILIES, WHEN SOMEBODY GRADUATES FROM MY HIGH SCHOOL, GOES TO COLLEGE AND WANTED TO COME BACK.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT, WE'RE HURTING THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE ALTOGETHER.
SO OUR LONG-TERM PLAN HAS TO BE A WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE AND MOVE AND LIVE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS, THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, RAISE THEIR KIDS.
THOSE PEOPLE THEN BECOME COMMITTED TO EDUCATION, COMMITTED TO THE SCHOOLS, ALL THESE THINGS HELP.
BUT SO IT'S A BIG LIFE CYCLE OF A CITY.
AND YEAH, BECAUSE LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN HELPING MAINTAIN.
I MEAN, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE NOW, WE HAVE TO DO THEM IN THE RIGHT WAY.
WE HAVE TO DO THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
THEY HAVE TO BE AS LEAST INTRUSIVE.
AND IN FACT, IN HARMFUL TO PEOPLE AND RESIDENTS AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE HERE TO GET FEEDBACK, TO HELP US MAKE, MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT ULTIMATELY BIG, BIG PICTURE FOR HEBREW HEIGHTS IS WE ARE IN A REALLY, REALLY GOOD SPACE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, WE APPROPRIATED THE MONEY FOR THIS AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T RE I THINK WE, WE COULD PAY CASH FOR ALL OF THIS, BUT RIGHT NOW BOND RATES ARE SO LOW.
WE CAN MAKE MORE MONEY ON OUR INVESTMENTS, THEN TAKING THE CASH OUT OF OUR FUNDS AND JUST PAYING CASH FOR IT BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE ON THE BONDS ARE SOLAR RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE JUST, WE JUST PASS LEGISLATION, READ OR TALKED ABOUT LEGISLATION TO REFINANCE ALL THE NOTES THAT THE AQUATIC CENTER FROM AN INTEREST RATE OF ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF TO 2.3.
SO WE'RE DOING THINGS VERY EFFECTIVELY FINANCIALLY.
SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE TAXES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY PREPARED FINANCIALLY TO INVEST IN OUR CITY AND MAKE IT BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, UH, TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE, ARE, ARE RAISING TAXES ARE NOT A CONCERN.
WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD FISCAL SHAPE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THESE DIFFERENT INVESTMENTS.
IF THEY WEREN'T, IF WE WEREN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT.
I HAVE A CITY MANAGER, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, A FINANCIAL DIRECTOR THAT WOULD BE IN HERE GOING, WHOA, PUT ON THE BRAKES, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.
SO WE'RE, UM, WE'RE DOING ALL THIS, I THINK VERY, VERY SMART.
AND, AND WE HAVE THE FINANCES TO DO IT AND NOT BE IN JEOPARDY OF, OF ANY KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE RESIDENCE AND ASKING THEM FOR MORE TAX MONEY TO, TO PAY FOR THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO.
ONE THING, I'M NOT SURE IF I HEARD AN ANSWER WAS IF THERE WAS ANY, I GUESS, STUDIES AROUND THE WHOLE CRIMINAL, LIKE THAT ATTRACTS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO AN AREA OF HAVING THOSE TYPES OF, I MEAN, I, WHENEVER I GO TO MAMBA, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE RIDING THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS AND RIDING THOSE AREAS, I HAVE FRIENDS THAT RIDE DOWN IN LEBANON, A BIKE PARK THERE IN LEBANON HAS HAD SOME SIMILAR FEATURES TO THIS DOWN THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO RIDE BIKES.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT RIDE BIKES ARE CRIMINALS.
SO, I MEAN, ARE THERE CRIMINALS TO RIDE BIKES? SURE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GENERALIZING STATEMENT.
I MEAN, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY INCREASED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, UM, ANY MORE THAN YOU DO AT ANY OTHER PARK.
UM, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU GO BACK THERE NOW AND YOU WALK INTO THE, INTO THE WOODS AND SOME OF THE AREAS AND THAT THERE'S TRASH STREWN ABOUT AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS HALF A COUCH BACK THERE RECENTLY THAT WE HAD TO PULL BACK AND DRAG OUT OF THERE.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY THINGS HAPPENING.
SO I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, WE USED TO SIT ON THAT THAT'S, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS ON CHAMBER OF BURGLARY, IS THAT THE HUBERT COUCH.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, THE LESS OF THAT STUFF IS ACTUALLY PRONE TO HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE EYES ON THINGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN CLOUD PARK ALONE, YOU'LL SEE.
SOMETIMES YOU'LL NOTICE A CAR THAT'S SITTING THERE AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, BUT THEN AS SOON AS SOMETHING LIKE MORE PEOPLE SHOW UP, PEOPLE LEAVE NOW, WHAT IS THAT CAR THERE FOR NEFARIOUS REASONS WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY JUST THEY'RE TAKING A NAP WAITING FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR SHIFT.
PROBABLY I THINK THE MORE USE THERE IS
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THE LESS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE EYES ON PEOPLE KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS IN THE PUBLIC EYE.THEY WANT TO DO THEM IN SECRECY.
AND IN FACT, JOSHUA, SO WE'VE DEALT WHEN WE PUT THE DOG PARK IN, UM, OVER OFF OF, UH, ROSEBERRY AND SOVEREIGN AND, UH, SEEN IT WELL, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS PEOPLE HAD WAS WHAT ABOUT CRIME IN THE AREA? BECAUSE THAT, AT THAT POINT, IT WAS JUST A BIG OPEN FIELD BACK THERE, BACK BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
AND WE KNEW THAT BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE A PLAYGROUND THERE WHEN THE PLAYGROUND CAME OUT, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WENT FOR.
DO YOU USE JOSH'S TERM NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES? ONCE THE DOG PARK HAS WENT IN AND NOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE THERE WE DON'T, WE DON'T DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES ANYMORE.
OR WE CAN TALK TO THE POLICE AND THERE THEY'RE NOT CALLED ANYWHERE NEAR THAT AREA, IN THAT PARK SPACE, LIKE, LIKE THEY WERE IN THE PAST BEFORE ANYTHING WAS THERE BECAUSE ACTIVITY AND PEOPLE MAKE THE PEOPLE GO FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO DO THAT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, ISN'T, IT'S A DETERRENT, I THINK, FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND YOU HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN, CAN COME.
UM, IF I MAY, JUST TO, TO FURTHER THAT THE ACADEMIC RESEARCH ON THE ISSUE INDICATES THAT THE DRIVER ABOUT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN PARKS IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SOCIOECONOMICS OF WHICH THE PARK IS LOCATED.
SO IF THE SOCIOECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHICS ARE LOWER IN THE AREA THAT SURROUNDS THE PARK, THE PRESENCE OF A PARK IS MORE LIKELY TO INCREASE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
BUT IF THE SOCIOECONOMIC DRIVERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE HIGHER THAN IT IS LESS LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IN THAT, IN THAT PARK.
SO, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS JUST US ADDRESSING CONCERNS AND FEEDBACK IT.
AND IN THE END OF ALL OF THIS, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT I'M NOT TAKING ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS A HUNDRED PERCENT SERIOUS AND WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR CONCERNS YOUR FEEDBACK IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF TONIGHT.
THIS IS OUR RESEARCH TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS EITHER THE RIGHT DECISION OR IT'S THE WRONG DECISION, OR WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I'M WITH THE MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR ATTENDING THIS BECAUSE, UM, TRULY WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO CREATE A SPACE THAT IS INVITING FOR EVERYONE.
AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE WANTED TO HAVE FOCUSED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS SHARED USE TRAILS.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HIKING ONLY OPPORTUNITIES, UH, THANKFULLY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TAYLORSVILLE METRO PARK OR ENCOURAGE HILL THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WE, AS A MOUNTAIN BIKE ORGANIZATION ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT HEALTHY, ACTIVE LIFESTYLE FOR COMMUNITIES, UM, GIVING KIDS SOMETHING TO DO OTHER THAN SIT AT THERE, WATCHING TV OR SITTING ON THEIR TABLETS, UM, REALLY FEEL THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT, UM, TO HAVE A VIBRANT, HEALTHY COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THE CITY OF SCHUBERT HEIGHTS, UM, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT CONSERVATION.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO, TO ADDRESS.
UM, I WORK FOR A CONSERVATION AGENCY MYSELF.
UM, SO I, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A LOT OF HONEYSUCKLE AT DIAL PARK.
UM, HONEYSUCKLE WAS AN INVASIVE SPECIES THAT SMOTHERS A LOT OF OTHER NATIVE PLANTS THAT DO PROVIDE A GREAT HABITAT.
UH, THE LOCAL MOUNTAIN BIKE ADVOCACY GROUP IS THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE DO AS FAR AS VOLUNTEER ADVOCACY IS REMOVING HONEYSUCKLE FROM, UH, OUR WOODS.
UM, BUT BECAUSE ONE IT'S IMPROVED SIGHT LINES TO, UH, KEEP THE TRAIL SAFER FOR VISIBILITY, BUT ALSO IT'S JUST, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THE SECOND THING I WANT TO BRING UP THOUGH, AS FAR AS CONSERVATION IS CONCERNED, WHEN, WHEN THESE TRAILS ARE CONSTRUCTED, LIKE JOSH MADE A POINT, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONCERTED EFFORT NOT TO REMOVE ANY TREE, UM, ESPECIALLY OVER LIKE FOUR TO SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER.
SOME SMALLER TREES MAY HAVE TO BE REMOVED, BUT NO MATURE TREES WILL BE REMOVED OFF THE PROPERTY UNLESS THERE'S SOME TORNADO DAMAGED OR SAFETY HAZARDS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO PROTECT OUR GREEN SPACES AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S STILL LIMITED.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS HABITAT IS CONCERNED, CURRENTLY THERE'S A MOWED LAWN WHERE MOST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT A MOWED GRASS WHILE IT'S A NICE GREEN SPACE TO HAVE, IT'S NOT HABITAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO FOCUS ALL OF THE MORE, UM, DEVELOPED PARTS OF THIS BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE INTO AN EXISTING JUST LAWN SPACE.
LIKE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT MAYBE MOVING THIS TO THE CHAMBERSBURG PROPERTY THAT HAS THE 30 ACRES.
THAT'S A VERY LARGE WOODED MATURE FOREST.
IT HAS ALREADY STREAMS AND WETLANDS IN IT.
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IT WOULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THAT HABITAT TO DROP SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT REQUIRES A BIG OPEN SPACE FOR, FOR SIGHT LINES AND, UH, JUST A BIG PAY PUMP TRACK IN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING HABITAT.UH, SO PRESERVING THAT 30 ACRES, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF JOSH, WE, WE PRESENTED A WHOLE PLAN, UH, AT THE MIAMI VALLEY CYCLING SUMMIT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
IT'S ONLY AN 18 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF Q AND A AT THE END OF IT, BUT IT GOES OVER HOW THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF A LARGER PROJECT OR OUR VISION TO BASICALLY CONNECT THIS PARK TO THE COMMUNITIES, CONNECT THIS PARK TO THE SCHOOLS, CONNECT THE SCHOOLS TO THE RIVER AND, AND REALLY, UM, REVITALIZE AND GET PEOPLE OFF THEIR PHONES, GET THEM INTO THE PARKS, GET THEM OUT OF THEIR CARS, ON THEIR BIKES, ON THEIR FEET AND JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY ENJOYING LIFE AND, AND, AND PROGRAMMING AND, AND UTILIZING THESE GREEN SPACES TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.
UM, SO I LOVE ALL THIS FEEDBACK AND WE DEFINITELY, WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF HUBER HIGH TO ALREADY COME UP WITH A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB IS GOING TO WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ONGOING MAINTENANCE, LIKE WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DOING WORKDAYS AND ANY DOWN TREES THAT ARE, UH, HAVE FALLEN ON THESE TRAILS.
WE'RE GOING TO USE POWER EQUIPMENT LIKE CHAINSAWS AND STRING TRIMMERS TO CLEAR, UM, CLEAR THE DOWN TREES OR CLEAR SIGHT LINES AND, AND DO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE THAT WILL, WILL OBVIOUSLY BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THESE, UH, THESE SHARED USE TRAILS.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, BUT THANKS.
I SO EXCITED IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
UH, YES, I, I REALIZE THAT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND THIS AND WE ALL SHARE THE SAME GOAL FOR GETTING PEOPLE OUT ACTIVE.
UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU, IF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE, UH, WAS NOT FAVORABLE IN GENERAL FOR US TO USE DIAL PARK, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN AND THE APPROACH FROM CHAMBERSBURG ROAD? I WOULD BE VERY SENSITIVE WITH THE LAND.
I MEAN, THE REASON WHY THE DEVELOPERS GIVING YOU THAT LAND IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BUILD HOUSES ON IT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A WETLAND, IT'S THEIR STREAMS. THERE'S AN INTACT FOREST.
THERE'S A CORRIDOR THAT GETS WILDLIFE ALL THE WAY FROM THE RIVER UP TO THESE COMMUNITIES.
I, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND GOING IN THERE WITH A BULLDOZER AND TEARING OUT MATURE FOREST TO PUT A PAVE PUMP TRACK.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING FOR THE CITY TO, TO, TO DO WITH A GREEN SPACE AND IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S ALSO, IT'S TURNED DOWN A HABITAT AND I JUST, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND IN MY OPINION, AS A CONSERVATION MINDED INDIVIDUAL, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE COULD NOT RETAIL.
WE COULD NOT APPROACH IT FROM THE OPPOSITE END OF WHERE YOU ARE PROPOSING PUTTING THE PUMP TRACK THAT IT COULD NOT BE RECONFIGURED OR THAT WE COULD NOT.
UM, I THINK THIS PLAN KIND OF RECONFIGURES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES, UM, THE, THE PART THAT THE DEVELOPER, THE 30 ACRES, I DON'T KNOW IF JOSH, IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP ROUGHLY, BUT, UM, IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THAT PLAN THAT WE DID FOR THE MIAMI VALLEY CYCLING SUMMIT, WHERE THERE'S JUST SOME PROPOSED, UH, TRAILS THAT SITS LOW IN A VALLEY.
SO THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES GETTING OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON THAT, THAT OPEN SPACE THAT JOSH IS SHOWING RIGHT THERE.
UM, I FORGET HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BEING PLANNED, BUT IT SITS HIGH UP ON A RIDGE.
AND THEN THE 30 ACRES THAT THERE, THERE, UH, DONATING TO THE CITY SITS ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AND IT SITS DOWN ON THE VALLEY AND YOU COULD KIND OF SEE THERE'S LIKE A LUSH GREEN CORRIDOR ALREADY.
LIKE THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY IS, IS MOSTLY, UM, YOUNG SUCCESSIONAL AREAS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF HONEYSUCKLE IT'S, UM, JUST OPEN LAND, BUT THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THAT DEFINITELY HAS ALL OF THOSE MATURE TREES.
I WOULD, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE, UH, AGAINST TEARING DOWN TREES TO BUILD ANY KIND OF BICYCLE INDUSTRY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR, IF THE, IF THE RESOUNDING RESPONSE WAS, WE DON'T WANT IT IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
IS THERE A PLAN B BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE YOU THERE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
SO I, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH, UH, WITH ANY TYPE OF PARK IS, IS HAVING ENOUGH ACTIVITIES THERE TO KEEP EVERYBODY INTERESTED.
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IF YOU HAVE JUST A PARK THAT HAS A BASEBALL FIELD, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S INTERESTED IN THAT PARK EXCEPT FOR BASEBALL.SO HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE WALKING PATHS AND SOME OF THE BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE.
AND I LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME BENCHES INSTALLED, UH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO SIT AND JUST VIEW HAVING LIKE THE POWER OF 10, LIKE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT PEOPLE COULD DO.
I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE BIRD WATCHING STATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
LIKE KEEPING THAT, HAVING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS REALLY WILL, AND IT'LL HELP MAKE THIS PARK A WHOLE, BUT I'M NOT HEARING WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT.
IF WE COME IN THE OTHER WAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN WAS COME IN THE OTHER WAY.
IF WE, IF WE HAVE TO APPROACH THIS ENTERING THE PARK FROM CHAMBERSBURG, I'M NOT HEARING WHY WE COULDN'T DO ALL THE SAME THING DOESN'T CURRENTLY BUILT.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PLAN.
I THINK SOME OF IT IS WHAT HE WAS SAYING WITH THAT AREA IS THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS BACK IN THAT AREA.
BUT IF YOU TRY TO PUT A PUMP TRACK AND SOME OF THAT STUFF IN AN AREA WHERE THE GROUND ISN'T ON AN ELEVATED AREA AND HARDENED ALREADY WITHIN TWO YEARS, THAT THING'S GOING TO CRACK AND SPLIT IN HALF, AND NOW YOU'VE SPENT HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS ON SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE USED BECAUSE THAT LOWER AREA ON CHAMBERSBURG, A LOT OF THAT IS WET.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS CAN THAT BE RECONFIGURED THE WETLANDS? NO, THE PUMP TRACK NOT TO NOT, IT CAN BE RECONFIGURED TO BE PUT IN A WETLANDS.
JOSH, IT'S, YOU'VE GOT TO DESIGN RIGHT NOW FOR THE PUMP TRACK.
CAN IT BE REDESIGNED TO RUN IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION OR SOMETHING AROUND, AROUND THE WETLANDS OR, OR JUST A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAT THE OTHER AREA IN CHAMBERSBURG IS, IS A COMPLETELY INTACT FOREST.
THERE'S THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE.
I THINK THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO HAVE THAT AS A NATURE PRESERVE, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YES, IT COULD BE RECONFIGURED DOWN THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE FINDING A SPACE DOWN THERE THAT IS SUITABLE FOR THAT.
THAT'S NOT SWAMPING, NOT WET, NOT BOGGING.
SO I THINK IS THAT THE ANSWER, THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR, THAT IT IS POSSIBLE.
WELL, IF YOU CAN FIND A PIECE THAT WORKS THERE WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY COMING DOWNHILL FROM DIAL, YOU'VE GOT A GOOD SECTION OF THAT, WHERE AGAIN, THAT WHOLE CORNER IS JUST, I UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, LIKE I SAID, OUR RESIDENTS COME FIRST AND THEN WE HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF A PLAN B IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE CONSENSUS IS SAY, ABSOLUTELY.
AND AS A, AS A MOUNTAIN BIKE ADVOCACY GROUP, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE SPENDING YOUR TAX DOLLARS WISELY.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BASH ANOTHER CITY, BUT THE CITY OF LEBANON JUST REBUILT THEIR PUMP TRACK BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN PROPERLY THE FIRST TIME.
LIKE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE WORKED WITH JOSH TO KIND OF HELP THE CITY CHOOSE QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS AND HELP, YOU KNOW, THAT THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SELECTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST CONTRACTORS TO HAVE THE BEST PRODUCT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO REBUILD IT IN TWO TO THREE YEARS.
UM, SO YEAH, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND YOUR POINT.
I THINK, AS WE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UH, YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT ABOUT AN INTACT FOREST AND, UM, CONSERVATION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND UNDERSTANDING YOUR ADVOCACY FOR THAT.
BUT OUR JOB IS ADVOCATE FOR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND I WOULD JUST STATE HERE, I THINK THE INTACT 35 YEAR RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE THERE HAST OUT WAY IN INTACT FOREST.
I MEAN, JUST IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT OF HOW THAT HAS ON, ON SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS.
AND LIKE YOU MADE A POINT EARLIER, I MEAN, THIS PIECE OF LAND WAS SLATED TO BE, UH, A BUILDING.
UM, YEAH, I WILL SAY TOO, THAT AS PART OF THE, AS PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION, UM, THERE, I DID SEND INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, THE US FISH AND WILDLIFE CENTER.
AND THEY DID A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY TO SEE THE EFFECT OF THE WILDLIFE.
AND WHEN THE, THE LETTER THAT THEY SENT BACK, THEIR ONLY CONCERN WAS NOT TAKING TREES DOWN BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY, ALL OF THAT AREA IS IN THE CORRIDOR.
LET'S SEE WHAT THEY PUT DOWN HERE OF THE INDIANA BATS AND NORTHERN LONG EARED BATS.
DO NOT TAKE DOWN ANY TREES BECAUSE BATS LIVE IN THOSE TREES AS FAR AS EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CONCERNED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND ADDRESSED THE
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BATS WHERE THE, WHERE THE CONCERN.SO, AND AGAIN, THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS SLATED TO NOT REMOVE TREES OTHER THAN UNDERGROWTH AND HONEYSUCKLE GLENN, SORRY, JUST, I WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THE PAST SO THAT THE PROPERTY ON CHAMBERSBURG, THE REAR OF THAT, IF WE WERE TO UTILIZE THAT AREA FOR THE TRACK, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO CLEAR A LOT OF THE WOODS TO PUT THAT IN.
IF, IF, EVEN IF WE COULD, WITHOUT THE WETLAND, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE OF ARIEL, IT ALL LOOKS LIKE WOODS.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A PATCH IN THERE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE PROPERTY TO SPEAK TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, ALL I'VE SEEN OF IT ARE JUST THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND IT LOOKS LIKE A GIANT FOREST.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HEARD IN WALKING AND SPEAKING WITH MOST RESIDENTS WAS THE LOSS OF THE WOODS.
LET'S NOT GET RID OF THE WOODS.
SO I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS GO, AH, LET'S PUT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE AND GET RID OF A BUNCH OF WOODS.
CAUSE I'VE ASKED SPECIFICALLY THAT QUESTION TO TWO RESIDENTS AND THEIR CONCERN IS THEIR VIEW OF THE OPEN SPACE.
THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE BIKE TRAILS IN THE WOODS AT ALL.
THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THE PUMP TRACK AND THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PARKING LOT AND THE OPEN SPACE.
I MEAN THAT AT LEAST FOR TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD THE SAME THING.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THEY DON'T LIKE THE BIKE TRAILS IN THE WOODS.
SO YES, MA'AM, I'M SHEILA DUNKIN.
I TALKED TO YOU AND I WAS STILL WAITING ON THAT PHONE CALL BACK.
CAUSE WHEN YOU GUYS COME IN, YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY EVER HEARS YOU HOLD THE MICROPHONE DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER.
UM, WHEN YOU COME IN THERE AND CLEANED OUT THE 15 FEET, YOU GUYS PUSHED IT BACK FARTHER.
SO YOU GUYS ARE COMING IN AND PUTTING THIS PARK, BUT RIGHT THERE, YOU HAD DUMPED TRUCKS.
I'M LOOKING, I'VE BEEN THERE 38 YEARS.
WHERE DO YOU LIVE? NOW? SHE'S FARTHER DOWN IN THE TORNADO, THE SECTION WHERE THE TORNADO HIT THE CLEARED AREA.
BUT WHEN YOU CLEARED THAT YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL THAT STUFF WITH YOU.
YOU GUYS PUT HUGE ROCKS ON TREES.
THAT'S NOT RESPECTING YOU KNOW ANYTHING.
SO I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU GUYS TAKEN CARE OF THIS.
I'VE BEEN THERE 38 YEARS, THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND EVERYTHING, THEY CAN'T EVEN GO TO THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY TEAR IT UP.
SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING TO THIS HERE? YOU KNOW, AFTER YOU CLEARED THAT OUT, I HAVE SEEN GUYS AND HOODIES GUYS WITH MACHETES WALKING DOWN THERE THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE YOU CLEARED ALL THAT UP.
SO I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE ONCE IT'S ADVERTISED, WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN THERE.
AND YES, THE BATS DO COME TO MY HOUSE AT 8 42 EVERY NIGHT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS AND WHERE IS THE CHAMBERSBURG PART YOU'RE THINKING OF DOWN, ACROSS FROM LEXINGTON LEXINGTON NEXT, THE BACKSIDE.
SO REALLY WHERE SANDAL VIEW VIEW IS A PART OF THAT CHAMBERS DEAD ENDS INTO THAT CHAMBERSBURG PROPERTY.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS TO WORRY ABOUT THERE.
AND YOU GUYS TALK LIKE YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF IT ALREADY IN FAVOR OF HAVING THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO, SO WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHAT I SAID, SO THERE'S NOT TALKING FAVORABLY UNFAVORABLY.
MY CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN PARKING AND THE NEIGHBORS I'D PROBABLY PUT UP WITH THE LANGUAGE FROM YOU 35 YEARS AGO.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST MOVED IN THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE 38 YEARS, WHEN I WAS LIKE, I, WE USED TO DRIVE.
SO I LIVED UP OFF KRAFT MORE WE, BEFORE THEY WHAT'S NOW THE GOOD AIR USED TO BE KROGER BEFORE THE KROGER WAS BUILT.
THAT'S WHERE WE DID A LOT OF OUR JUMPS AND BIKE TRAILS THAT WE JUST, THAT JUST BECAME TRAILS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ALL WENT AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND ROAD.
SO BEFORE KROGER WAS THERE, THAT'S WHERE WE DID A LOT OF RIDING AROUND IN THAT AREA TOO.
BUT I'M STARTING TO FEEL LIKE, BUT, UM, NO, TH TH THIS TOWN HALL IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE WANT FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS.
I'VE, I'VE EXPRESSED SEVERAL TIMES.
MY CONCERN IS THE PARKING ISSUE.
CAUSE, CAUSE I'VE, I'VE SAID, WHAT I DON'T HAVE HAPPEN IS TO BE SUCH A SUCCESSFUL AMENITY
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THAT MAY WANT TO COME TO AND THEY GET THERE AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACES TO PARK AND THEY LEAVE AND THEY DON'T COME BACK.SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, IT IS UTILIZED, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY POPULAR.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SO TELLING, I THINK THIS IS BE POPPER, NOT ONLY DEEPER HEIGHTS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE AREA, COME TO VISIT THIS BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T FIND THIS TYPE OF AMENITY MANY PLACES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT.
WE ALL ARE ALL SUPPORTING THE PROJECT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE RIGHT LOCATION.
THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING AND IT'S NOT HARMING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE INTENDED.
WHEN I PURCHASED MY HOME, I WAS TOLD THAT NO ONE WOULD EVER BUILD BACK THERE THAT CHARLES HUBER LEFT IT FOR A NATURE PARK.
HE DID SET ASIDE IF THE SCHOOLS NEEDED IT.
RIGHT, BUT THEY DIDN'T NEED IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD 38 YEARS AGO THAT HE LEFT IT THERE FOR THE NATURE AND WE'RE INSTILLING THIS.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SUGGEST, AND PLEASE HAVE, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION IN COUNCIL MEETING WHERE, WHERE THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED AND THEN WE CAN, AND THEN WE CAN START GETTING INTO MORE OPINION AND POLICY POSSIBILITIES AND THOSE THINGS WHERE WE CAN HAVE THAT TYPE OF OPEN DISCUSSION.
WHEN, WHEN THE, UH, WHEN CHARLES SUBARU TURNED THE DEED OVER TO THE SCHOOLS, HE DID PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON IT THAT SAID IT COULD ONLY BE USED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.
SO A SCHOOL OR A PARK OR SOMETHING OF THAT PURPOSE THAT WAS SPECIFIC.
SO A PARK WAS ONE THOUGH PART WAS GOING TO BE THAT ALSO HAD THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE LAND COULD ONLY, IT COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED.
IT COULD ONLY BE USED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND IT HAD TO BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A PARK OR A SCHOOL.
THOSE WERE THE RESTRICTIONS AND REAL FAST TO SPEAK TO THE MESS THAT WAS LEFT BACK THERE.
UM, I AM THE ENTIRE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
SO I WILL ADDRESS WHAT THE STREET DEPARTMENT AGAIN, BECAUSE I PUT THAT IN AS A WORK ORDER WITH THEM.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK THERE IN A FEW, PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR WEEKS LOOKING AT THINGS.
SO I WILL ADDRESS THAT WITH THEM AGAIN AND GET THAT CLEANED UP.
I I'VE SEEN THE, I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCE COMES IN.
THERE'S A PILE TO THE LEFT AND A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN.
THERE'S A PILE TO THE RIGHT WHERE THEY PUT STUMPS AND EVERYTHING.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I WILL ADDRESS THAT WITH THEM AGAIN.
SO IF THEY'RE DOWN THEIR MOMENT, HOW COME THEY'RE NOT HEDGING UP AGAINST THE HOUSES? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I MEAN, THERE'S STUFF TALLER THAN ME GROWING BACK UP THERE AGAINST THE FENCES.
WRITE THESE DOWN AND WE'LL CHECK ON TOMORROW.
I'M ACTUALLY A PUMP TRACK WORLD CHAMPION, BORN AND RAISED IN A VANDALIA OHIO.
AND I THINK, YEAH, I ACTUALLY JUST GOT BACK FROM AUSTRIA FROM A PUMP TRACK COMPETITION ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO.
UM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS, BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING UP SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT THIS COULD DO FOR THE CITY.
AND LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, I THINK THIS COULD BRING 10 TONS OF REVENUE, TONS OF OUT-OF-TOWNERS AND TO ANSWER, UH, I THINK YOUR NAME WAS BECKY ABOUT THE WILDLIFE.
SO AS MOST PEOPLE WAKE UP AND GO TO WORK EVERY MORNING IN THEIR CAR TO I GO OUT IN THE WOODS AND RIDE BIKES AND, UH, AT MAMBA MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, I PROBABLY RUN INTO ABOUT 20, 30 DEERS EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
SO DON'T WORRY YOUR DEERS, AREN'T GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.
AND, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY RESPECTFUL AND, UH, PROUD OF PEOPLE.
MOST BIKE RIDING PEOPLE ARE HUGE FAMILY PEOPLE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BRING REALLY NICE PEOPLE AND PEOPLE THAT RESPECT THE AREA AND WILL PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE TRASH CANS.
SO I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD BE REALLY SURPRISED ON HOW GREAT THIS WILL BE.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE'S FULL ON COLLEGE PROGRAMS FOR BICYCLE RIDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST A KID IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GREW UP HERE, HE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, GO TO ONE OF THESE TO MARION MARION UNIVERSITY IN INDIANAPOLIS HAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CYCLING PROGRAMS. SO I THINK IT COULD JUST BE HUGE FOR THIS.
UM, IT'S A UCI WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP JERSEY, WHICH IS LIFE-CHANGING FOR PEOPLE.
LIKE IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE OLYMPICS.
SO I RACED IN THE 2016 OLYMPIC TRIALS AND, UH, CHULA VISTA, SAN DIEGO.
SO I JUST THINK THAT THIS WOULD HONESTLY BE AMAZING FOR EVERYONE HERE AROUND HERE.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, THESE CONCERNS THERE WON'T REALLY BE ANY OF THEM BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL BE SURPRISED.
SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, FEEL FREE.
I STARTED FOLLOWING ON FACEBOOK, MAN.
AND RIDING BACK THERE FOR 30 YEARS, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG.
I THINK YOU'RE JUST REALLY ENHANCING WHAT IT HAS TO OFFER.
DID YOU, DID YOU AUTOGRAPH THAT OR JUST PRINT YOUR NAME?
MAYBE YOU CAN GET SOME SPONSORS IN TOUCH WITH US OR SOMETHING
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AND THEY GO AROUND LIKE AWESOME.MA'AM I'M JANICE HEFLIN AND I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT PARKING LOT.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA FOR HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT NOT IN THAT SPOT.
I THINK WHICH WHAT WOULD BE NICER IS TO ACTUALLY PUT A PARK THERE WHERE FAMILIES CAN COME.
NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, BIKERS DON'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH BIKERS, BUT I, THE OTHER ISSUES THAT PEOPLE MENTIONED, THE TRAFFIC, THE CONGESTION, I, UM, KNOW THE TRAILS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MY FAMILY FOR GENERATIONS HAVE ENJOYED THOSE TRAILS.
AND I THINK OPENING IT UP FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT AS FAR AS PUTTING A BIKE PLAYGROUND, NO, BECAUSE MOTORIZED BIKES, I SEE THEM COMING UP FROM, I LIVE RIGHT AT THE TOP OF LONGFORD COMING UP, GOING ACROSS THAT FIELD, INTO THE WOODS AND WITH THE WEATHER GETTING BETTER.
AND IT'S NOT AFTER HOURS IT'S DURING THE DAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, BUT THIS IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE IT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO COME AS LONG AS IT'S THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO COME.
AND AS FAR AS HOURS OF OPERATION, IS IT FROM DAWN TO DUSK? YEAH.
JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PARK IT'S ON THE DUSK.
AND, UM, ANOTHER QUESTION JUST OUT OF WHY WAS IT NAMED DIAL PARK VERSUS LONGFORD? THE MAIN ENTRANCES LONGFORD.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT GENERATION, WHAT TIME OF DAY, WHAT COLOR EYES THEY HAVE, EVERYBODY CALLS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK AS PART OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, IT JUST KIND OF FELL ON DIAL PARK, BUT YEAH, THERE'S WILD VIEW PARK.
IT'S JUST KIND OF OVER THE YEARS, JUST MORPHED INTO WHOEVER AND WHATEVER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST, I DON'T THINK THE NAME DIAL WILL NECESSARILY STICK, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING AS A PLACE.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S CERTAINLY IT DOESN'T MARRY WITH SIMPLE LEGISLATION.
WE CAN HAVE A CONTEST TO WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO NAME IT.
THE PARKS AND REC BOARD IS ACTUALLY HAS A PROGRAM FOR NAMING OF PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'M SURE WHEN IT'S DONE THOSE THINGS WILL COME UP AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL AWARD IT TO, UH, HOWEVER IT GOES THERE, BUT YEAH, DIAL WAS JUST KIND OF A GENERIC NAME THAT WAS GIVEN TO IT, I THINK YEARS AGO, AS LONG AS I'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT.
I KNOW, UH, PEOPLE WHO RODE THERE 20, 30 YEARS AGO CALLED IT THE DIAL TRAILS.
THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS CALLED IT, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES CALL IT THE WOODS.
SO, SO, SO IT WAS HER FAMILY'S LANGUAGE TOO.
SHE'S HAD THAT FOR GENERATIONS.
MA'AM MY NAME IS DON LAUGHLIN.
I'M JUST GOING TO PRINT MY NAME HERE.
WHILE SHE'S WRITING HER NAME DOWN.
UM, AS FAR AS THE MOTORBIKE GOES, I, IT'S A HARD THING THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH OVER THERE.
AND I, I ASK ANYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HE, WHO SEES OR HEARS THEM, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL MYSELF, CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY POLICE LINE.
UM, I'LL GRAB A STACK OF MY CARDS AND PASS THEM OUT WHEN LEAVE HERE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR A YEAR AND A HALF TO STOP THEM.
BUT WHEN THAT, WHEN I GET PHONE CALLS AND MS. DUNCAN, I BELIEVE YOU'VE CALLED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT THEM, BUT IT'S ALWAYS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE GO OR I'VE CALLED THE POLICE TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T FIND THEM AND I CAN'T GET THEM TO JUST SIT THERE UNTIL THEY COME BACK OUT.
BUT IF YOU SEE THEM PLEASE CALL BECAUSE WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THERE.
UH, I I'M JOHN LOUGHLIN, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION.
I'M ALSO A MOTHER OF TWO, UM, TWO DAUGHTERS.
UH, THE POINT I WANNA MAKE HERE IS THAT OUR MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB IS, IS A TRAIL ADVOCACY ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS A TRAIL MAINTENANCE AND ASSOCIATION.
SO WE ALSO PROVIDE VOLUNTEER SERVICES
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TO HELP MAINTAIN AND KEEP THESE TRAILS CLEAN AND RIDEABLE.AND, UM, THE AREAS AROUND IT CLEANED AS WELL.
OUR ORGANIZATION HAS PROVIDED ALMOST 3000 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER WORK LAST YEAR, JUST ON THE LOCAL TRAILS, WITHIN THE DAYTON AREA.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB SUPPORTS KIDS AND FAMILY RIDES.
UM, WE DO A LOT OF PROGRAMMING FOR, FOR KIDS AND FAMILIES.
WE'RE ALSO SPONSORING A CHILDREN'S CYCLING TEAM THIS YEAR IN OHIO.
UM, AND JUST LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE, WELL, WE HOLD KIDS AND FAMILY RIGHTS ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
AND WE WERE AT THE METRO PARKS MOUNTAIN BIKE AREA.
AND, UM, I WAS OUT THERE WITH A FAMILY OF SIX, HAD DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO, CAME UP CAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WANTED TO RIDE BIKES.
UM, ONE, ONE OF THE MOMS HAD A BEACH CRUISER.
THE DAD WAS WEARING FLIP FLOPS.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A SEVEN YEAR OLD, AN EIGHT YEAR OLD, A 15 YEAR OLD, TWO OF THEM GIRLS AND A DAD AND A MOTHER AND HER, HER SISTER.
AND WE RODE THE BEGINNER TRAIL OUT THERE S YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT THAT MAYBE THAT PERIMETER TRAIL WOULD BE.
AND THEY HAD SO MUCH FUN TOGETHER AS A FAMILY, JUST LAUGHING AND ENJOYING THE TRAILS TOGETHER.
UM, IT WASN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, LOUD NOISE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULD GET LIKE SAY FROM A BASEBALL GAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT WAS A VERY PEACEFUL AND FUN EXPERIENCE.
AND THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE THAT IS THAT I WITNESSED AND EXPERIENCED TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH KIDS, WITH FAMILIES, UM, GRANDPARENTS JUST LAST NIGHT, A GRANDFATHER BROUGHT HIS SON TO THE TRAILS TO SIGN THEM UP FOR OUR MOUNTAIN BIKE KIDS CYCLING TEAM.
UM, AND HE WAS 10 YEARS OLD AND HE WROTE THE TRAILS WITH ALL OF US OUT THERE.
UM, I'VE TRAVELED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE SIMILAR PARKS AND MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, UH, BICYCLE PLAYGROUNDS PUMP TRACKS, AND I'VE, I'VE DONE IT ON PURPOSE TO WITNESS THE SURROUNDINGS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE I'M A MOTHER, I'M ALSO A CYCLIST.
UM, I, YOU CARE ABOUT SAFETY AND, AND I DIDN'T EXPERIENCE ANYTHING NEGATIVE AT ANY OF THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, I SAW LOTS OF FAMILIES, MOTHERS, CHILDREN, GRANDPARENTS, ALL OUT ENJOYING THIS, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD.
UM, AND IT WAS ALL VERY CLEAN, VERY, VERY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN THIS, IN, AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR MOUNTAIN BIKE CLUB HAS HELPED JOSH AND, AND THE CITY PLAN OR FOR YOUR AREAS IS, IS SO AMAZING AND SO NICE.
UM, THE AREAS THAT I VISITED, THE, THE PEOPLE IN THE PARKS WERE VERY CLEAN.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS ARE VERY VALID, BUT I'VE NOT WITNESSED ANY OF THE NEGATIVE ELEMENTS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE HAPPENING OR COULD HAPPEN, UM, AT ANY OF THE FACILITIES THAT I'VE TRAVELED TO.
AND I'VE TRAVELED TO AGAIN, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX.
UM, AND YEAH, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE I WANT TO SAY.
UM, BUT REALLY AN ELEMENT TOO, IS ACTIVATING THE SPACE IN A POSITIVE WAY WITH, WITH KIDS AND FAMILIES ON BIKES.
UM, WE'LL ALSO DETER SOME OF THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT YOU'RE WITNESSING AND EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE MOTOR MOTORCYCLISTS OR WHATEVER, THE, THE, THE, WHAT THE, WHAT ARE THEY THE, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED THE DIRT? YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, W WITH THIS, IT WILL, WILL, THEY'LL LIKELY LEAVE.
UM, AND I MEAN, ACTIVATING THE SPACE WITH, WITH KIDS AND FAMILIES, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO BAD THINGS FROM EATING, CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE SEEN, AND THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN.
UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TOO, AND WE BROUGHT UP IN THIS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE LOCATION IS NICE IS BECAUSE THAT AREA TOWN IS, WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT WARDS THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WORD ONE AREA OF THE CITY.
THAT'S ABOUT THE ONE AREA OF THE CITY THAT WE'RE REALLY LACKING A LOT OF PARK SPACE IN.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I THINK MIAMI VILLA IS THE PART THAT SARAH IS ABOUT THE ONLY OTHER PARK IN ALL OF, ALL OF THAT WARD, ALL OF THAT SECTION OF THE CITY.
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SO, UM, SO WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY PARKS CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A DISTANCE OR A COMMUNITY.LET'S CALL IT A COMMUNITY PARK WITHIN WARD ONE.
THIS WOULD CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT.
SO WHEN WE, AS JOSH BROUGHT UP, UM, HOUSING VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK JUST HAVING A PARK THAT'S AVAILABLE IN THAT SECTION, I THINK WOULD, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE DATA, I THINK WOULD PROBABLY, UH, HELP PROPERTY VALUE MORE THAN, THAN HURT PROPERTY VALUE, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEBODY WHO WOULD BE LOOKING TO MOVE INTO THE AREA WHO WANTED TO LIVE CLOSE TO THAT, THAT WOULD BECOME A PREMIUM FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO BE CLOSE TO THAT.
SO, UM, SO I DO THINK IT WOULD HELP PROPERTY VALUES MORE THAN HURT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO OTHER PARK SPACE IN WARD ONE AND SAY, YES, SIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DAY AGAIN.
I LIVED IN THE FOREST HOUSE ON 69 0 1 FROM THE CORNER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AVENUE.
I BOUGHT THIS HOME IN 1975, A LONG TIME AGO.
THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU GO THERE AND YOU'LL THINK IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT YESTERDAY.
I MAINTAINED IT JUST ABOUT REBUILT EVERYTHING.
THERE'S TWO GENTLEMEN WERE THERE YESTERDAY AND I MET A LOT OF FUNDS, UPGRADING EVERYTHING.
I AGREE WITH THAT LADY UP THERE THAT IT WILL AFFECT THE WILDLIFE.
RIGHT NOW I GOT, UH, TWO BIRD FADER, SARAH, UH, WHITE FEATS OF EVERY MORNING.
THEY COME THERE ALL BEAUTIFUL BIRDS COME THERE GOT TWO, TWO WATER FOUNTAINS WHERE THEY CAN DRINK WATER AND SPLASHED THEMSELVES.
TWO DAYS AGO, I SAW DEERS IN THERE.
THEY USUALLY COME OUT EARLY IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT HOME BECAUSE A VERY PEACEFUL AND DIGITAL THEN HERE AT KEN CAN VERIFY THAT THERE'S STOPPED BY A VISIT BEAT YESTERDAY.
NOW I'M A RETIRED MILITARY MAN.
I SPENT 30 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE AND 32 YEARS WORKING FOR HEADQUARTERS, SAY FMC AT THE HEADQUARTERS FOR ABOUT FIVE GENERALS OVER 30 YEARS.
SO I TOTALLY WORKED AT A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 64 YEARS.
NOW I DIDN'T LIVE AT THE HOUSE SINCE, SINCE I BOUGHT IT.
BUT PART OF MY FAMILY DID MY CHILDREN.
THEY'RE ALREADY IN THEIR SIXTIES.
AND WHAT, IN THEIR FIFTIES ON IT, WHAT AM OF COURSE ALSO WENT INTO THE AIR FORCE AND HE SAID, DOCTOR, OKAY, HERE'S THE SURGEON GENERAL FOR OVER THE AIR FORCE FOR THE PILOTS ON NOTHING.
I TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WORLD, INCLUDING INCLUDING VIETNAM, KOREA, AND EVEN IRAN DURING THE REVOLUTION ON IT.
SO I'M WELL FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING.
THE REASON I LIKE THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING LIVING BEHIND THERE.
IT VERY PEACEFUL, VERY QUIET ON THE THING.
NOW I KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE CHILDREN, NOT CHILDREN.
AND THE ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS ARE GOING TO MAKE NOISE.
THERE IS A RUNWAY, PROBABLY RUN AWAY NEXT TO MY HOUSE FROM LAURAVILLE.
YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE THAT GENTLEMAN PROBABLY SEEN IT THROUGH THERE.
AND, UH, WE MAINTAINED THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS NICE AND CLEAN AND SO FORTH.
THERE IS A BICYCLE AREA BACK THERE IN THE BACK THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT ON IT.
THEY GO THROUGH WITH THE BICYCLE TO BE THERE.
THEY EVEN SOMETIMES CALL IT CAUSE BY LAW.
AND EVEN THOUGH I TELL THEM TO STAY AWAY FROM THE LINE ON THE THING, AND I DON'T PUT A SIGN THERE BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT WILL JUST MAKE THEM MOTIVATE THEM TO GO THROUGH THERE.
SO I AVOID THAT THE THING, BUT, UH, THEY GO, EVEN WHEN THEY GO TO THE SIDEWALK THERE THERE'S THERE'S NOISE AND GET OLD.
THEY'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER LOUD AND ONE THING OR ANOTHER, AND SOMETIMES THEY LEAVE ABOUT COKE BOTTLES OR SOMETHING, LAYING IT OUT THERE.
AND I'M AFRAID BACK THERE IN THE BACK.
WHEN YOU START GETTING THE BICYCLES AND SO FORTH, BE KIDS BEING KIDS, IT'S GOING TO BE NOISY.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE NOISY ON THE THING.
SO YOU WILL PROBABLY EXPERIENCE A LOT MORE ON THAT.
IS THIS A GETS FOR LIGHT? NOW, THIS THING TO ME IS, IS THAT, UH, WHY, UH, SPENT ALL THIS MONEY HERE, THERE'S ALREADY THREE PARKS IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
WHY NOT BUILD YOUR, YOUR TRAIL BICYCLE TRAILS? THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE THING.
THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM THERE AT WHICH PARK, ALL THE THREE PARKS THAT ARE IN THE JUNIOR HIGHS.
WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE NINE PARKS, BUT YEAH, I MEAN MOST OF THEM, BUT THERE WERE EVEN GOT CHERISH SHIELD OUT THERE.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S METRO PARKS.
THAT'S NOT US, BUT YEAH, WE HAVE, UM,
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WE'VE I MEAN, OTHER PARK LOCATIONS, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT CLOUD PARK, IT'S 126 ACRES, BUT MOST OF THAT PARK IS SOCCER FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELDS, FOOTBALL FIELDS, UH, THOSE OPEN SPACES.A LOT OF THOSE PARKS ARE BEING USED BY SPORTS TEAMS. UM, WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT AREA MAYBE AROUND THE WHY MCA, YOU KNOW, THEY GO THERE AND AREA DOWN THERE FOR BICYCLES THAT YOU GET.
WHENEVER YOU HAVE THEM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE, ALL THE, ALL THE WOODS AND SO FORTH ON THERE, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT YOU COULD VERY EASILY DO IT, BUT THIS IS THE FEASIBLE AREA.
THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU KNOW, AND BIGGER PLAYGROUND INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION AGAIN? SO WHAT ARE YOU, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE PARK? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE BIKE TRAILS THAT ARE BACK IN THE WOODS AND YOU JUST DON'T LIKE WHAT'S UP IN FRONT OF THE OPEN SPACE OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU NOT A FAN OF THE WHOLE THING? IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE FIRST FOUR HOMES.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED ON IT, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU GOT THERE, BUT WE'RE THE FOURTH HOUSE ON THERE.
THIS LADY YOU'RE OUT HERE IN THE THIRD HOUSE, THE SECOND HOUSE, THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE THING, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF THOSE MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING ALL THEIR, THEIR BICYCLES, PARKING LOTS AND EVERYTHING ON IT.
AND THAT'S A QUIET AREA RIGHT NOW.
RESIDENTIAL AREA IS WILD LIVES THERE.
I ENJOY ANGELS, CARPOOLS, CALM.
THEY COME IN THERE, THEY'RE THERE.
AND ANY TYPE OF NOISE, KIDS BEING KIDS, IT'S JUST GOING TO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, THAT'S WHAT I, I GOT TO SAY.
THAT'S, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1975, EVEN THOUGH A LOT.
THAT'S BEEN MOST OF MY TIME OVERSEAS, WHICH WAS ABOUT 18 YEARS OVERSEAS ON A DIFFERENT AREA.
NO WHY, WHAT? YOU COULDN'T TRAVEL CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THEY DON'T ALLOW DEPENDENCE ON IT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I ENJOY LIVING WHERE I'M LIVING A VERY PEACEFUL, VERY QUIET SERENITY ON THERE.
AND I ENJOY THE WILD WILDLIFE.
THAT'S THERE, PARTICULARLY IN THE BIRDS THAT COME IN, YOU HAD NO WAY TO GET SOME SQUIRRELS, BUT I GOT A LITTLE DOG AND DON'T CHASE THEM AWAY.
WHY HAVE YOU DERIVE I'M OPPOSED TO THE GREEN OPEN AREA? I FEEL THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO KIND OF, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT THIS ISN'T THE AREA FOR IT.
MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING A NEW HOUSING PLANT OVER OFF THE CHAMBERSBURG OFF OF POWELL ROAD, THAT THE CITY STOLONS PROPERTY, YOU COULD INCLUDE IT IN THAT AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR PLANNING CITY PLANNING, THE TRAILS, THE BIKING TRAILS IN THE WOODS.
I'M ALL IN FAVOR FOR MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1972.
I'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH HUBER HEIGHTS.
MY ENTIRE LIFE I WAS AROUND WHEN PHIL VALLEY ROAD WAS CORNFIELDS.
WE WERE RIDING OUR BIKES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO, BUT THIS IS NOT THE AREA FOR IT, BUT OUR WILDLIFE, OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT THE CITY PARK, MAYBE EVEN UP ON BRANT PIKE, BACK BY THE NEW LIBRARY THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT WOULD BE A GOOD AREA FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, INSTEAD OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
MAKE SURE YOU WRITE YOUR NAME THERE TOO, PLEASE.
UM, I, I LOVE THE PASSION IN THIS ROOM.
UH, JUST ONE THING TO IT KEEPS COMING UP IS EVERYONE IS REFERRING TO WHEN THEY WERE A KID AND THEY HAD ALL THESE PLACES TO RIDE BIKES THEMSELVES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE PLACES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
KIDS DON'T HAVE PLACES THAT ARE SAFE TO RIDE BIKES AND BE WITH THEIR PEERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP HERE IS A SAFE SPACE FOR KIDS AND FAMILIES TO CONGREGATE BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE PLACES YOU WROTE WHEN YOU WERE CHILDREN ARE NOW DEVELOPED INTO PARKING AND STRIP MALLS.
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YES, MA'AM HI, SENDING MOON, UM, LIVE ON ARROW VIEW.WE BUILT THERE IN 1975, UH, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE STREET, UH, FROM DIAL AND LONG FOR THE PARKING.
AND THE TRAFFIC IS WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST, NOT JUST THE VIEW, THAT BOTHERS ME AS WELL, BUT IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN UP OR DOWN LONGFORD AND SOMEONE IS PARKED ON THE STREET, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OVER THE YELLOW LINE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIT THAT CAR OR WHATEVER.
AND YOU GREET ANOTHER CAR COMING THE OTHER WAY.
SO THAT IS A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S ON THE HILL EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS.
IT'S AT THE TOP OF THAT HILL AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE BARRELING UP THE HILL OR BARRELING DOWN THE HILL.
SO THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN FOR THAT PARTICULAR PARKING LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE MOVED SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT THAT WOULD BE A BIG CONCERN.
UM, I THINK EVERYONE HERE AGREES THAT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA AND DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CHILDREN.
IT'S NOT EVEN A BAD PLACE TO DO IT.
IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AT THIS TIME, DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'VE HAD FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
THE KIDS WOULD LOVE IT, BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE, ARE THERE GOING TO BE RESTROOMS EVENTUALLY.
WHERE DO THEY GO UNTIL THEN? SO UNTIL THEN THE PLANE UNTIL THEN THE PLANE, OR, UH, THERE'S I THINK THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE, IT USED TO BE A SIGN OR SOMETHING THERE YEARS AGO, BUT THAT BACK CORNER AREA I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH SCOTT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A SMALL CORRAL, A COUPLE OF PUERTO JOHN'S BACK THERE FOR NOW, UNTIL WE DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO RESTROOMS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'LL BE PLUMBED IN, CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL HAVE TO RUN WATER AND SEWER LINES OVER THERE TO DO THAT.
SO, BUT YEAH, SO I MEAN, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS BEING CONSIDERED AND BEING LOOKED AT AS PART OF THE PROJECT, I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULDN'T OPEN UNTIL YOU HAVE ALL THAT IN PLACE BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE USING THE WOODS LIKE THE BEARS DO.
UH, SO THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT GLEN AND, UM, MR. SHAW ANSWERED ON MY WAY OVER HERE, WHEN I STOPPED, I SPOKE TO THEM ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE OPEN DURING THE SUNSET SUNRISE, SUNSET, UM, AND THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF EVENT THERE THAT ARE HELD THERE FOR ANYTHING THAT WOULD CREATE MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
THAT WAS ANOTHER CONCERN THAT FROM SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS, UM, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT JUST WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
THAT IT'S A VERY BUSY CORNER TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, AND, UH, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE THEM HAVE MORE THAN THAT.
SO IF THEY COULD FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT OR, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT ANY MORE TREES DOWN, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT, BUT THE CAVEAT IS THEN YOU'D HAVE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING EVERYBODY'S AGAINST IS THAT THAT'S JUST TOO CLOSE TO THE HOMES AND TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
AND YOU WRITE YOUR NAME DOWN AS WELL.
DID YOU SAY, YOU SAID YOUR LAST NAME WAS MOON.
I BELIEVE I GOT YOUR EMAIL EARLIER.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERED ON THERE.
RICHARD, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, SHOULD WE MOVE ON? I'D LIKE TO ASK THE MAMA MOM, UM, WHEN YOU GO INTO ALL THESE OTHER LOCATIONS WITH THE MOUNTAIN BIKE, MOUNTAIN TRACKS AND STUFF, WHERE WERE ESPECIALLY BINS HELD AT THOSE LOCATIONS? NO, NOT ALL OF THEM.
I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE A TYPICAL TYPE EVENT THAT MIGHT BE HELD THERE? IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A NICE AMENITY, IT WOULD OPEN YOURSELF UP TO HAVING EVENTS.
WELL, THAT WOULD, I MEAN, IF THERE IS AN EVENT THAT WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO BE A PERMIT OR SOMETHING, THEY WOULD PULL FROM THE PARK.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GUIDELINE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH.
BUT I'M ASKING YOUR EXPERIENCE IN GOING TO ALL THESE PARKS, HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THEM? I HAVE NOT BEEN TO A PUMP TRACK COMPETITION YET.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, ONE OF THOSE THAT TOMMY COMPETES IN.
I ONLY WATCH IT ON TV RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, TOMMY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER EXPLANATION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE COME AND USE THESE PARTS.
I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING
IT'S NOT LIKE SOCCER PRACTICE WHERE EVERYONE COMES AT ONCE.
THIS IS FREE AND YOU GO WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE TO GO.
SO SOMETIMES IN THE MORNING THERE'S GOING TO BE NOBODY THERE.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S GOING TO BE PEACEFUL THE WAY YOU CAN
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STILL HURT HER NEIGHBOR ON OR OFF IN THE MORNING.SO, AND THAT'S ALL UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT AS, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW,
SO, SO EVEN WHEN, WHEN THE MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION HAS LIKE WHAT WE WOULD SAY, AN EVENT LIKE A KIDS AND FAMILY RIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, MAYBE 20 PEOPLE PARK, YOU KNOW? UM, AND IT'S JUST A, A PEACEFUL, FUN EXPERIENCE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST OUT ON BIKES AND FAMILIES ARE RIDING TOGETHER, UM, OF A VARIETY OF SKILLS.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, A LOUD CROWDED EVENT.
ARE THOSE THE KINDS OF, SO THOSE OF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVENTS OR THOSE ARE THE KIND OF INS THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF, OR ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT MORE SOMETHING LARGE AND SPONSORED? I MEAN LIKE AN ACTUAL EVENT.
SO THAT'S THE AVENGERS, BUT, BUT LET'S, BUT YOU'D BE OKAY WITH A GROUP OF 20 COMING AND GOING FOR, THEY'RE LIKE A FAMILY ON THAT.
SO THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF THAT YOU'RE TALKING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS.
AND WE ALSO LIKE WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AND WE, WE TALK ABOUT ETIQUETTE, YOU KNOW, TRAIL ETIQUETTE AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER USERS AND SUCH.
UM, SO IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE, WHERE IT'S LOCATED IS NOT THE IDEAL PLACE TO PUT A PARKING LOT, BUT THAT INTERSECTION IS NOT THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, KIDS AND FAMILY RIDES.
SO WE JUST SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO MEET OUT AT THE PARK AT 6:00 PM AND YOU'RE FREE TO COME OUT WITH A WORKING BIKE AND A HELMET AND COME OUT AND RIDE AND BUILD YOUR SKILLS AND CONFIDENCE OUT ON NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS.
HOW DO YOU PROMOTE THAT? WELL, WE DON'T, IF YOU WERE HEIGHTS MOVIE, IF THERE'S A TRAIL SYSTEM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT, WHATEVER, IT'S AN OPEN TRAIL SYSTEM AND WE CAN RIDE AT THAT TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO IT, JOHN BRYAN STATE PARK, WE'VE DONE IT AT THE MOUNTAIN BIKES AND METRO PARK SYSTEM.
AND THE MAMBA HAS WHAT THEY CALL IT.
THERE'S A FABULOUS TRAIL SYSTEM IN TROY CALLED TIMBA TO TRY NOT BY AREA.
UM, HAVE YOU BEEN TO TAYLORSVILLE? TAYLOR'S ON THE PAVED PATH? I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF PAVED PATHS TOO.
SO THESE ARE THE TRAILS AND THAT THE KIDS HAVE FAMILY RIDES THAT WE DO ARE ON THE NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS.
SO WE HAVE FACEBOOK, WE HAVE A NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT ON INSTAGRAM AND WE OPEN IT TO ANYONE.
UM, WE DON'T CLOSE IT TO ANY, ANY ONE IN PARTICULAR, IT'S OPEN TO ANYONE THAT WANTS TO COME OUT AND GIVE IT A TRY.
UM, AND THAT'S USUALLY, AND WE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S AROUND 20 PEOPLE MOST TIMES.
UM, BUT WE HOLD THEM OFTEN ENOUGH AND PEOPLE JUST KIND OF COME AND EXPERIENCE IT AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY GO AND DO IT ON THEIR OWN.
MY NAME IS BILL THESE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR ON WILD VIEW.
I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE FOR 35 WEEKS.
I CAME TO UBUR HEIGHTS TO RETIRE AND I LOVE IT HERE.
AND I HAVE TRIED TO EXPLORE THAT WOODS ON MY OWN AND I HAVE NOT SUCCEEDED.
I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE TRAILS BACK THERE.
SO I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS WHOLE PROJECT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR ME TO HAVE ACCESS PAST THESE FRONT DOOR AND INTO THAT TRAIL ON THIS BLUE LINE, ON THIS MAP.
UH, KNOCK ON THE FRONT DOOR AND GO OUT THE BACK.
AND YES, MY BACKYARD IS WIDE OPEN TO ALL OF THAT AND I'VE GOT THREE ADULT CHILDREN AND IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE GRANDCHILDREN AND WALK THROUGH THAT WOODS AND WIND UP AT THE BIKE THING.
SO I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND I'M NOT RELATED TO ANY MOUNTAIN BIKE PEOPLE, BUT WE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO SATISFY ALL THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE I LOOKED AT.
THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, I'M GLAD I DON'T LIVE ON DIAL OR LONG VEHICLE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO DO IT.
AND, AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.
AND I WILL SPEAK TO ONE THING TOO, UM, THAT THE
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AREA BEHIND THOSE HOUSES, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS WE CAN BUFFER NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A MOUND LIKE WE HAVE AT THE YMCA AROUND THE PROPERTY, OR JUST SIMPLY PLANTING ROWS OF OUR PROVIDERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT BLOCK, THE SITE LINE AND ALSO BLOCK THE NOISE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE ALONG THERE TO HELP BUFFER SOME OF THAT.
UM, IF THINGS, YOU KNOW, BECOME AN ISSUE OUT THERE, HAS ANYONE HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE MOUNDING THAT IS SO AT THE Y YMCA, THEY HAVE ALL THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THINGS THERE AND WHERE THE AQUATIC CENTERS AT BASICALLY FROM SHOAL ROAD THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY PAST THE AQUATIC CENTER.
THERE'S A HUGE MOUND THAT'S BUILT UP THERE THAT PROTECTS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG.
I GUESS IT'S DEER, DEER BEND, I THINK IS THAT THERE'VE BEEN, THAT GOES AROUND THERE.
SO FROM DEAR BEND WHERE THEY'RE AT BACK INTO WHERE THOSE, THE, THE, THEY HAVE THE YOUTH SOCCER LEAGUES AND THE AQUATIC CENTER, THAT'S ALL BEEN MOUNDED AND THERE'S TREES PLANTED ON TOP OF THE MOUND.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, OR YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, PLEASE DRIVE BY THERE AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO ALONG THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INCU.
SO THERE'S A 25 FOOT BUFFER THERE, CORRECT NOW.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A MOUNTAIN SYSTEM BUILT ALONG THERE AND TREES PLANTED.
THAT WOULD, SO WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT YOUR BACKYARD, YOU'RE MORE LOOKING MORE AT THE MOUNTAIN AND THE TREES ON TOP OF RATHER WHAT'S BEHIND YOU IN TERMS OF THE BIKE TRACK.
SO, SO THERE ARE, I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO HELP MAKE THAT LESS INVASIVE INTO THOSE THAT LIVE ALONG THERE.
BUT PLEASE GO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MOUNTAIN SYSTEM THERE AT THE YMCA AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK AND HOW THAT MIGHT WORK, OR IF IT COULD WORK, OR IF THAT WOULD MAKE A, IN YOUR OPINION, UH, HERE ONCE, ONCE YOU SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO, SO PLEASE GO BY THERE AND TAKE AND TAKE A LOOK YOU'LL YOU'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU DRIVE UP SHOAL ROAD AND YOU PASS THE Y THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THE OPEN FIELD BEHIND THE HOUSES.
SO MY NAME IS TRENT WALTER, SO I DON'T LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, BUT I HAVE WORKED IN HUBER HEIGHTS FOR 21 YEARS.
SO I'M A MECHANICAL ENGINEER WITH TREMBLE ENGINEERING, UM, JUST NORTH OF THERE.
UM, AND SO I AM PART OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE, UH, ORGANIZATION.
SO I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THAT.
AND SO THERE'S JUST A COUPLE POINTS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS NOT THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR THIS TYPE OF THING, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, HAVE DIRECT VIEW TO ESPECIALLY THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND SINCE I DON'T LIVE HERE, I GUESS I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IDEAL LOCATION BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, ACTUALLY ONE OF THE SURVEYS THAT JOSH TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE DON'T GO OUT AND RECREATE OUTSIDE AND ITS DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE PARK.
AND THEY SAY, IF IT'S OVER 10 MILES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO.
AND IF YOU WANT TO RIDE A BIKE AND YOU HAVE TO GO OVER 10 MILES, THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT, HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO PUT YOUR BIKE IN YOUR CAR OR ON YOUR CAR AND TO GET IT THERE.
THIS IS SURROUNDED BY A HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF KIDS THAT CAN JUST RIDE TO THE PARK AND HAVE ACCESS TO PLAY AND GET HOME.
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY, WHEN WE STARTED THIS WITH JOSH, HE ACTUALLY PROVIDED US WITH MULTIPLE PARKS TO LOOK AT, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST ONES.
AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE KIND OF THOUGHT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THE MOST ACCESS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS AREA IS THAT THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS THE PART THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THESE TYPES OF PARKS VERSUS EVEN A TRADITIONAL TYPES OF PARKS IS IF YOU GO TO A TRADITIONAL PARK, YOU GO TO A BASEBALL FIELD, THE BALL FIELD, WHAT YOU FIND IS FAMILIES WILL GO THERE AND THE PARENTS WILL SIT DOWN AND THE KIDS WILL GO PLAY.
UM, SIMILAR TO DAWN, I'VE BEEN TO LOTS OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND HAVE THESE TYPES OF PARKS.
AND WHAT YOU WILL FIND THAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT IS THE MOMS, THE DADS, THE GRANDPARENTS, THEY'RE OUT USING THESE BECAUSE IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO USE THEM.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL FIND IS VERY DIFFERENT.
IF YOU WOULD EVER GO VISIT ONE OF THESE, IT'S NOT JUST ARMS DADS SITTING IN THEIR CARS, UM, THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THEIR BIKES AND THEY'RE RIDING WITH THEM.
UM, AND THEN FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, UH, SO TREMBLE IS A FAIRLY SIZEABLE, UM, AND THE, I GUESS, CHEAPER HEIGHTS AS FAR AS AN EMPLOYER, UM, OUR HEADQUARTERS IS IN SUNNYVALE, CALIFORNIA.
UH, WE HAVE A LOCATION IN WESTMINSTER, COLORADO, UH, AND WE HAVE ONE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET TALENTED ENGINEERS TO COME TO THIS LOCATION.
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AMENITIES LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A SELLING POINT TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY COME TO THIS AREA AND GOING TO STAY IN THIS AREA.AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR POINTS EARLIER, ABSOLUTELY KEY TO SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK AS FAR AS GROWING AND CONTINUING TO KEEP PEOPLE COMING IN, OR EVEN MAKING PEOPLE WANT TO STAY IS HAVING THESE TYPES OF AMENITIES.
AND IT WOULD BE, I THINK, BENEFICIAL TO TREMBLE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS AMEND D AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS NEARBY RECREATION.
IF YOU WANT TO RUN OUT ON YOUR LUNCH HOUR AND, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND PLAY IN THE WOODS OR GO FOR A BIKE RIDE OR A HIKE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO BIRDWATCHING, UM, THIS FACILITY WOULD ALLOW LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
SO NOT ONLY THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR, THAT TYPE OF THING.
APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS THERE.
JUST SIGN UP OR DON'T GET, THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS NIKKI MCCRAY AND I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SCATTERBRAIN NOTES BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE PARK AND AROUND IT TO, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
CAUSE I WOULD HAVE THE SAME VALID CONCERNS.
UM, I'M A MOTHER OF TWO AS WELL, TWO SMALL BOYS, 11 AND EIGHT.
AND, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AM A FIRM ADVOCATE FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING.
UM, BUT PLEASE DON'T JUDGE ME.
I JUST SAID THAT, BUT I SUBMIT TO THE ADDRESS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED THAT ARE VERY VALID.
UM, I THINK THE CAPACITY IS BEING OVERESTIMATED OF THE ACTUAL CAPACITY THAT WILL BE HAPPENING AT ANY ONE TIME.
THIS IS A URBAN PARK THAT SMALLER PEOPLE WORK DURING THE DAY.
AND THE IT'S MORE GOING TO BE MORE OF A SLOW DRIP OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT.
THERE'S NOT THIS DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HAVE A GIGANTIC FESTIVAL WITH GIGANTIC SPEAKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE A VALID CONCERN BECAUSE IF I LIVED IN ANY OF THOSE HOUSES, THAT'D BE TEXTS EVEN IF I WAS A NON BIKER.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE CAPACITY.
ALL IT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR IS MOMS AND FAMILIES AND KIDS COMING AND GOING EVERY NOW.
AND THEN, SORRY, IF I TALK FAST AT A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOWER CAPACITY, I MEAN, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE AS CRAZY OF PARKING.
I LOOKED AT THE PARKING LOT AND TOOK ONE LOOK AND, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE FINE.
UM, AND THE LAND IS FOR PUBLIC USE AND IT ACTUALLY IS A PRETTY IDEAL LOCATION.
IT DOESN'T CUT INTO THE WOODS.
THERE'S NO MAJOR THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING TAKEN DOWN BY ANY MEANS.
IT REALLY CURVES WITH THE LAND AND UTILIZES WHAT'S THERE ALREADY FOR PUBLIC USE.
UM, JUST BECAUSE SOME INDIVIDUALS MAY NOT USE THIS TRAIL SPECIFICALLY FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING, DOESN'T MAKE IT A BAD IDEA.
MOUNTAIN BIKING IS VERY INCLUSIVE OF ALL PEOPLES FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ADMIRE ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY ARE VERY ORGANIZED.
MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKING ASSOCIATION CHAPTER HERE LOCALLY.
I LIVE IN THREE DIFFERENT STATES.
WE HAVE A WONDERFUL BOARD, THEY'RE LOCKED, COCKED, AND READY TO ROCK.
AND AS FAR AS ADVOCACY FOR STEWARDING THE LAND RE REMOVE INVASIVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENVIRONMENTALIST ON HAND.
WE REMOVE INVASIVE SPECIES AND SPECIES.
I UNDERSTAND I MYSELF HAVE A COUPLE IN THAT HATCHES AND A REDHEAD OF WOLF, PACKER, AND CARDINALS THAT FREQUENT MY BACKYARD AND THE HOURS THAT ARE FREQUENT FOR THE WILDLIFE.
WHEN THIS PARK IS CLOSED FROM DUSK TO DAWN IT'S OPEN.
AND DURING THAT OTHER TIME ARE PRIMARILY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT ACTIVITY.
JOHN BRYAN, ESPECIALLY MAMBA ALL OF US ON RIDES.
TYPICALLY THE FEMALE RIDES, THE WOMEN'S RIDES WE'LL STOP.
IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A DEER, WE'LL STOP.
UM, OR THEY JUST JUMP OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
I ASSURE YOU THE WILDLIFE IS NOT THE LEAST BIT FAZED BY A MOUNTAIN BY HER OR ANYBODY COMING BY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND THEM.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK AROUND US.
IT DOESN'T SCARE THEM OFF BY ANY MEANS.
UM, AND I HEARD ALSO TOO, WILL, IF THAT, WELL, THERE'S NO KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S NO KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, IF THERE ARE NO KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WHATEVER KIDS DO GO TO THE MOUNTAIN BIKING, UH, FACILITY TO THE TRACK, THAT THEY WOULD BE SUPERVISED BY THEIR ADULTS EVEN BETTER.
UM, WE DO, I AM NOT FROM THE STATE I MOVED FROM OUT-OF-STATE.
AND VERY QUICKLY I WAS FLOORED AT THE MATURITY, THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE INCLUSIVITY OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKING, UM, KIND OF CULTURE.
BASICALLY MY TWO BOYS ARE SHEPHERDED AND RED LED AROUND ON BIKE RIDES WITH MEN THAT SHOW THEM HOW TO FIX THEIR BIKE, HOW TO FIX THE BRAKES.
UM, THE CHILDREN AT A CERTAIN AGE ARE INVITED TO COME AND YOU RIDE ON THESE TRAILS, THEN YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN THEM AND YOU NEED TO STEWARD THEM.
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VERY, WELL-MAINTAINED, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO USE THE PARK SMARTLY.AND IF NOISE IS A CONCERN, I CAN ASSURE YOU A SOFTBALL DIAMOND OR A SOCCER FIELD IS GOING TO CREATE A LOT MORE NOISE AND A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN A MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAIL IN THIS SETTING EVER WILL.
AND YEAH, THE OTHER THING TO JUST REITERATE IS THE STEWARDSHIP OF THE TRAILS, BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS THE VIEWS AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN HERE, TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE ACROSS FROM A PARKING LOT EITHER.
WHAT TYPE OF TREES OR FLORA AND FAUNA CAN BE INCORPORATED TO HELP THAT VIEW ARE THE CONCERNS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO HELP ALLEVIATE AND LISTEN TO.
SO THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING YOUR HONEST OPINIONS AND WORKING WITH US.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS AFTER THINGS GET DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION WHEN IGGY HAS A NICOLE.
ARE YOU A RESIDENT OF HUBER? I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF HUBER.
AND JUST FOR COMPARISON, REAL FAST.
SO MAMBA, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE MAMBAS METRO PARKS AREA.
THAT PARK HAS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED ACRES, NINE AND A HALF, ALMOST 10 MILES OF TRAILS.
AND THEY HAVE 25 PARKING SPACES.
SO TO SPEAK TO THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT, THE PARK GETS USED A LOT, BUT LIKE SHE SAID, IT'S A SLOW DRIP.
SO YOU WILL, I MEAN, THERE WILL BE TIMES OF THE DAY WHERE THAT MAY BE FILLED AND THERE'LL BE TIMES OF THE DAY WHERE THERE'S NOBODY IN THAT PARKING LOT.
SO IT IS A, IF YOU GO OUT, IT'S LIKE IT'S ON UNION SCHOOL HOUSE AND BAKER ROAD KIND OF OUT RIVERSIDE, BETHEL TOWN, BETHEL, WHATEVER THAT IS THERE OVER THERE.
WE CAN ADD A LINK TO MAMBA SO PEOPLE CAN GO AND LOOK AT THE AREA AND SEE TOO.
MY NAME IS JANIE WALTKE AND I LIVE IN THE THIRD HOUSE AND I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS, NOT THE BIKE TRAILS BACK.
YOU'RE NOW LOOKING OUT MY BACK YARD.
I ALSO, THE WILDLIFE, I CAN SEE ANYWHERE FROM 10 AT A TIME.
I HAVE A DOG SO I CAN IMAGINE.
UM, AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DOGS, PEOPLE BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO DRIVE THE DOGS CRAZY.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY MY BACKYARD.
WELL, I DIDN'T BUY THE HOUSE TO LOOK AT MOUNTAINS.
I BOUGHT THE HOUSE TO LOOK AT THIS FIELD AND THE WILDLIFE.
I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT THE FIRST PRIORITY IS THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TAUGHT ARE NOT RESIDENTS.
NOW I'VE HEARD THAT NO TREES WILL BE DISTURBED.
AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY, WELL, MAYBE THIS SMALL REPRIEVE, FOUR OR FIVE INCHES WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE DOWN.
TONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME.
WHERE ARE THESE TONS OF PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? OKAY.
LONGFORD IS UP THE HILL AND THEN THERE'S A FOUR WAY STOP.
SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP THERE.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO LEAVE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC JAM.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING ON OUR STREET.
AND I WILL SEE VERY MANY KIDS THERE.
AND I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE WHO BE UTILIZING THESE TRAILS ARE A MEMBER OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME FROM OVER ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOODS MAYBE.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT MANY KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ISAIAH PEOPLE WALKING THE STREETS.
IT'S A QUIET, NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST CAN SEE THIS BEING DEVELOPED AND CHANGING AND BRINGING SO MANY PEOPLE IN AN 18 ACRES.
NOW, HOW FAR CAN YOU RIDE AN 18 ACRES? WE HAVE TWO MILES OF TRAILS PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL OF THIS ADDS UP TO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PACK UP THEIR BIKES, PUT THEM ON CARS DEPENDING HERE TO RIDE TWO MILES.
I MEAN, I'M FOR IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE LOCATION.
I'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE ABRASIVE AT ALL, BUT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, OF, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I THINK IT'S AMAZING, BUT NOT THERE, BUT THEN WHERE THE KIDS IN WARD ONE DO NOT HAVE A PLACE TO GO PLAY.
UM, WHERE ELSE CAN WE PUT IT? WE'RE NOT UNLIMITED ON LAND AND HUBER HEIGHTS.
THIS IS A LARGE PIECE, WHICH IS 18 ACRES.
THAT'S QUITE A BIT FOR US TO SIT ON.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN ANOTHER AREA THAT WOULD BE LAID OUT IN THIS FASHION TO WORK FOR THIS.
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FOR EVERYONE WHO THINKS IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT NOT A GOOD LOCATION.FIND ME A LOCATION THAT WORKS AS WELL.
AND I I'D BE MORE THAN THRILLED TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED MORE ACTIVITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR OUR CHILDREN.
UH, OTHERWISE THEY FIND THINGS TO DO THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING.
IF WE CAN GIVE THEM GOOD QUALITY ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE ADULT SUPERVISION AROUND THEM, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT BETTER OFF THAN, THAN NOT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST PUSHED TO, UH, FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE THIS PIECE OF LAND FOR SOME TYPE OF ACTIVITY FOR CHILDREN, THIS WAS NOT ON MY MIND.
I JUST WANTED A PARK, A PLAYGROUND, A PLACE FOR KIDS, SOMETHING TO DO IN WARD ONE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EXIST.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS IN THE VIEWS A LOT.
UM, AND, AND THEY NEED THINGS TO DO.
WE FIND VANDALISM, WE FIND A LOT OF VANDALISM IN CERTAIN AREAS AND WE CAN PROVIDE PROPER THINGS FOR THEM TO CHANNEL THEIR ENERGIES WITH.
THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET RID OF A LOT OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT AS MUCH.
SO, SO AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I WON'T GET INTO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, UH, THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT WE COULD OR COULDN'T DO.
BUT, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY I WOULD LOVE TO, I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO HEAR OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN JUST, NO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, OR BECAUSE KIDS ARE ALLOWED.
AND OTHER PEOPLE COMPLAINED BECAUSE WE WERE ALLOWED NOISY KIDS, BUT, UH, WE GREW UP AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT KIDS ARE LOUD AND NOISY AND GIVE THEM A PLACE TO BE THAT WAY.
I JUST, I HAD TO PUT THAT OUT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WEIGHING ON ME BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF ME WORKING AS HARD AS I DID TO ACQUIRE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR KIDS IN THE WARD.
MY KIDS ARE GROWN UP AND GONE.
MY YOUNGEST IS A LIEUTENANT IN THE MILITARY AND THE ARMY HE'S THERE.
THEY'RE GONE THIS ISN'T FOR ME.
AND I LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS.
SO I'M GOING TO HEAR ALL OF IT, SEE ALL OF IT AND WITNESS ALL OF IT MYSELF.
UM, BUT I'M PROBABLY, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SEE ME PLAYING THERE.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, I JUST, I WANT SOMETHING THERE FOR CHILDREN AND IF THE WHOLE, AND IF THE RESPONSE IS, WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT KIDS OUT THERE, THEN THAT MEANS WE CAN'T PUT ANYTHING THERE.
AND WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR OUR KIDS? WE NEED THINGS FOR THEM.
ACTIVITY, VAN HORST LIVE AT 68 39 DIAL, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM HIM.
UM, I KNOW ALL THE NEGATIVES THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN BRINGING UP AND, UH, I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH ALL THE POSITIVES THAT PEOPLE CAN BRING IT UP.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS IF THIS DOES GET PUT HERE, IT'S UP TO THE RESIDENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEGATIVE STUFF DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
SO IF THIS DOES GO IN, I ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, NOT TO ATTACK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BACK THERE, MAKING NOISE.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET BEHIND IT.
IF WE SEE A PROBLEM, BRING IT UP.
THESE GUYS ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
IF WE SEE A PROBLEM TO PRETTY COME TO THEM AND THEY WILL OBVIOUSLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
HI, MY NAME IS SAMANTHA KING, FULL DISCLOSURE.
I AM JOSH'S WIFE, BUT, AND DO NOT COME HERE AS HIS WIFE.
UM, I HAVE BEEN A CUBER RESIDENT SINCE I WAS BORN BEFORE THEN.
UM, I AM RAISING THE FOURTH GENERATION OF HUBERT ARIENS.
IS THAT WHAT WE CALL OURSELVES? UM, IN THIS COMMUNITY, MY P MY GRANDMOTHER BOUGHT ONE OF THE FIRST HUBER HOMES.
UM, MY PARENTS STAYED BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE STAYED BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY.
AND THEN MY HUSBAND WAS GIVEN HIS DREAM JOB, WHICH WAS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PARKS, WHICH HE GREW UP RIGHT BEHIND.
HE ACTUALLY GREW UP IN THE HOME THAT BACKED UP TO TOM CLOUD PARK.
UM, SO HE LOVES THE PARK SYSTEM VERY DEEPLY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT BACKING UP TO A PARK WITH A LOT OF NOISE.
I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE TAKEN MY CHILDREN TO MAMBA A FEW TIMES, AND IT WAS VERY QUIET.
I THINK MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE SO WINDED FROM BIKING THAT THEY DON'T MAKE A LOT OF NOISE.
UM, SO I WILL SAY AT LEAST AT MUMBAI, IT IS, IT IS MUCH QUIETER THAN A PLAYGROUND.
UM, AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS SON WHO
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HAS, UM, A BRAIN DIFFERENCE.UM, I HAVE WA WE HAVE THREE CHILDREN.
TWO OF THEM ARE MORE CAUTIOUS AND I HAVE WATCHED TWO OF THEM BECOME MORE FEARLESS, UM, WITH BIKING.
THE ONE WITH THE BRAIN DIFFERENCE.
OF COURSE, UM, HE IS AN ADRENALINE JUNKIE AND WE'VE HAD TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH HIM IN LIFE.
UM, HE HAS LEARNED BALANCE SPATIAL AWARENESS.
SO THE IDEA OF THE BRIGHT PLAYGROUND, LIKE I'M REALLY ENCOURAGED THINKING, OH, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DRIVE A CAR.
NOW, IF HE CAN REALLY WORK OUT SPACIAL AWARENESS HERE, THIS MAY ENCOURAGE THINGS, BUT ALSO JUST POINTING OUT THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY SPACE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY CHILDREN WILL DECIDE TO DO IN THEIR FUTURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL DECIDE TO RAISE THEIR OWN FAMILIES HERE IN HEBREW HEIGHTS LIKE WE HAVE.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW IT IS POSSIBLE.
AND IF SO THAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING TO BUY THOSE HOMES SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I FEEL LIKE ONE OF TWO THINGS MAY BE GOING ON ONE.
THEY MAY JUST BE STAYING INSIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS A CHILD, I WAS WARNED TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE WOODS, PROBABLY BECAUSE TEENAGERS LIKE JEFF BORA WERE HANGING OUT IN THEM.
SO WE WOULD JUST RIDE OUR BIKES RIGHT ON DOWN BY AND GO DOWN THE HILL.
UM, OR BECAUSE YOUNGER FAMILIES ARE MAYBE NOT MOVING INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS OFTEN, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A PLAYGROUND OR ANYTHING TO DO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET UP HERE.
AND JUST AS A RESIDENT, SINCE THERE WEREN'T VERY MANY RESIDENTS SPEAKING UP FOR THE PARK, UM, THAT I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR FOR IT, OR, YEAH.
SITTING DOWN SO LONG, SORRY TO STAND UP.
MY NAME IS ROCKY FOR BEING HERE.
MY NAME IS RICK FEAR AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GO FIRST.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS I DIDN'T IS I WANTED TO HEAR HER BUDDY ELSE SMART, MAN.
THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, I LIKE MANY OF THE RESIDENTS NEARBY HAVE BEEN THERE A REALLY LONG TIME.
NOT AS LONG AS SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY.
UM, I MOVED INTO 1985 AND I'M ON LONGFORD ROAD, THE, UH, LONG LONGFORD ON THE SIDE OF THE PARK, SECOND HOUSE DOWN THE HILL.
SO I WOULD BE MY, MY BACK FENCE WOULD BE BY THE LAST LOOP OF THE PROPOSED BEGINNERS TRAIL.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE THAT I HADN'T HEARD, WHAT WOULD BE THE SCHEDULE FOR THE CREATION OF THIS? IS THERE BASED ON, UH, UH, BASED ON SOME KIND OF STARTING POINT DECISION, IS THERE AN ESTIMATED TIME OF COMPLETION? YES.
UM, THE, UH, GUIDELINES SET BY THE COMPANY THAT GAVE US THE BID FROM THE TIME THAT WE AGREED TO THE PROJECT, WE HAVE A 15 TO 30 DAY REDESIGNED FOR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS ADJUSTED AND IT'S 150 DAYS TO COMPLETION FOR THE PARK.
SO SAY WE WERE TO START NOW, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE WELL INTO NOVEMBER, SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANYTHING BEING USED THIS YEAR.
SO, SO LET'S JUST SAY SPRING OF 2020 TIP.
UM, SECOND I HAD, UH, MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO'S IN HIS EIGHTIES, THE FIRST HOUSE DOWN THE ROAD, HE'S, HE'S EXTREMELY NEGATIVE.
UM, OF COURSE I TOLD HIM HE DOESN'T NEED TO LIVE THERE IN THAT TWO STORY HOUSE ANYMORE.
THEY HAVE TROUBLE GETTING UP THE STAIRS.
SO I WONDERED WHAT THE SCHEDULE WOULD BE BECAUSE MAYBE HE'S NOT THERE TO WORRY ABOUT.
UM, I MEAN THAT HE WOULD MOVE TO SOMEPLACE.
THAT WAS MORE, UM, I'M BLESSED.
DON'T READ THE WRONG THING INTO THAT, PLEASE.
UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY NEED, THEY NEED A MORE APPROPRIATE LIFESTYLE.
UM, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ONE WAS, UH, ADDRESSES THE QUESTION ABOUT ALTERNATE AREAS.
AND THIS DOES NOT GO TO WHETHER I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THIS, BUT JUST TO ALTERNATE AREAS, SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW.
AND MAYBE HE THINKS HE KNOWS IT AND DOESN'T KNOW IT, BUT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT CITY OWNED PROPERTY IN THE AREA OF THE WATER TOWER, NORTH OF THE CARRIAGE TRAILS DEVELOPMENT, THE LARGE WATER TOWER THAT WE HAVE UP THERE.
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THAT THE CITY OWNS IT'S BEEN SOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT.AND, AND, UH, WHAT PEAKED MY INTEREST ABOUT THAT IS WE HAVE A LOT OF NEWER RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA WHO ARE NOT USED TO SEEING THE SAME THING OUT THEIR WINDOW FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS THAT MAYBE WOULDN'T MIND HAVING ACCESS TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A MORE YOUNGER FAMILIES THERE WITH A LOT MORE CHILDREN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE POPULATION THAT HAVE COME UP TO THIS PODIUM, YOU SEE THAT, UH, MOST OF US DON'T HAVE CHILDREN WHO COULD GO OUT OUR BACK GATE AND UTILIZE THIS PARK.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OUT SOME OF THE NEGATIVITY COMES FROM.
SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING UP IN THAT AREA.
AND IF YOU KNOW OF ANY LAND THAT IS STILL OWNED BY THE CITY, YOU MIGHT KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IF THIS, IF, UH, IF THIS DOESN'T GET APPROVED HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S AVAILABLE.
THERE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER LAND AVAILABLE THAT THE CITY OWNS.
UM, I THINK IT'S THE REASON THAT THIS LOCATION WAS APPEALING WAS BECAUSE IT THERE'S NO OTHER REAL PARK SPACE IN, IN THAT PICTURE.
AND, AND EXACTLY, AND THAT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER POINT.
UM, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT MULTI-USE PARKS, OKAY.
IN THE, IN THE, WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOME, MY CHILDREN WERE AGES ONE AND FOUR, AND LIVING THERE ON THE STEEP GRADE OF THAT HILL, NEITHER ONE OF THEM EVER DESIRED TO LEARN HOW TO RIDE A BIKE.
AND I OFFERED BICYCLES TO THEM FOR BIRTHDAYS, FOR CHRISTMASES ON END.
AND LIVING ON THAT HILL, IT JUST WASN'T CONDUCIVE TO BE A BIKE RIDER FOR A LITTLE KID BECAUSE THEY HAD TO RIDE BACK UP.
WELL, FIRST OFF, FIRST OFF, LIKE DIFFICULT TO TEACH TO TEACH HIM HOW TO RIDE WITH THEIR TRAINING WHEELS.
I ALWAYS TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE I WAS GOING ON MY BIKE AS A DOWNHILL.
AND HOW HARD IS IT GOING TO BE TO GET BACK? EXACTLY.
SO, SO THEY NEVER LEARNED TO RIDE BIKES.
THEY DID GO PLAY IN THAT AREA, UH, PICKUP BASEBALL GAMES, MOSTLY, UH, THEY HAD TO LOOK OUT FOR GOPHER HOLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I, I WAS A MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND RECREATIONS ADVISORY BOARD 25 TO 30 YEARS AGO.
AND WE DID ONE OF THOSE SURVEYS.
THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND THAT LONG MAY HAVE REMEMBERED WAY BACK THEN, WHERE WE HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO SEE IN THAT AREA.
AND WE COULDN'T GET ENOUGH AGREEMENT ON ANY ONE THING TO GO AHEAD AND TO CREATE A PLAN.
AND HERE WE ARE, 25, 30 YEARS LATER.
AND, UM, BASICALLY THE SAME THING, WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN FOR THAT AREA, BUT I WAS ALWAYS DISAPPOINTED THAT MY KIDS GROWING UP IN THAT LOCATION DIDN'T HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO GO PLAY.
NOW MAYBE I WASN'T THINKING WHATEVER A PUMP TRACK IS, WHICH I HAD TO LOOK UP BEFORE I CAME HERE.
OR, OR, UH, BICYCLE TRAILS WITH RAMPS AND HOOPS AND TUNNELS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT WHEN OUR KIDS, THOSE OF US WHO WERE TAUGHT AND ABOUT BEING IN HERE A LONG TIME WHEN OUR KIDS WERE GROWING UP, THAT WASN'T EVEN SOMETHING, ANYTHING, RIGHT.
WHAT KIDS ARE INTERESTED IN NOW LOOK AT THEIR VIDEO GAMES.
WHAT KIDS ARE INTERESTED IN NOW DIDN'T EXIST WHEN OUR KIDS WERE KIDS.
SO MAYBE WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING AND WHAT THEY WOULD ENJOY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE THINK ABOUT BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE CAN'T RELATE TO IT THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE 12 YEAR OLDS THAT RIDE 40 MILES AN HOUR DOWN LONGFORD HILL IN THE ROAD OR WORSE YET ON THE SIDEWALK.
AND SENATOR BLOCKS WAS OUR JUMPS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COOL FOR THEM.
WHEN IT COMES TO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
AND MAYBE IN MY CASE, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY IS IT THERE SWING SETS AND, AND, AND SEE SAWS AND, AND, AND, AND LITTLE GO ROUND THINGS AND THINGS TO CLIMB ON, WHICH
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I STILL THINK MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE THIS BETTER IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTI-USE AND FAMILIES, NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO COME ON BIKES, BUT PEOPLE WHO COME IN STROLLERS OR RIGHT.AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME GREEN AREA.
I KNOW, UM, I RE WROTE A LENGTHY EMAIL TO MR. KING, AND I KNOW THAT IN A DISCUSSION I'VE HAD WITH A COUPLE OF YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT PERHAPS TAKING THAT LAST LOOP OUT OF THE, BACK BEHIND THE LAST THREE BEHIND THE LAST THREE HOMES, AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE PUTTING MORE OF A, UH, TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND TYPE OF AREA.
SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THE SAME GREEN SPACE.
IT'S GOTTA BE THAT'S, THAT'S THE THORN ON THE ROWS, UM, ALL MENTIONS ABOUT LONGFORD HILL AND THE FOUR-WAY STOP AND THE PEOPLE AND, AND, AND CINDY M UH, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE COME OUT OF ARAB VIEW AND DON'T STOP FOR THAT STOP SIGN.
THEY RUN, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA, I MEAN, THAT IS, IT'S THE THORN IN THE, IN THE ROWS AND, AND, AND, AND BECKY WENT THEN, AND HER NEIGHBOR, WE'RE TALKING, LOOKING ACROSS AT THE PARKING LOT.
I'M WONDERING IF, IF YOU COULD RESOLVE THE, THE FOUR WAY STOP AND THE HILL, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY WAY TO DO THAT, BUT YEAH, I'M THINKING IF YOU COULD MAKE A SINGLE ENTRANCE AND PARK THE CARS ALONG THE TREE LINE ON THE LOWER LEFT SIDE.
I KNOW YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PERIMETER TRAIL, BUT IF THE NEIGHBORS, IT WAS ACROSS THE STREET, DIDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT A PARKING LOT FULL OF CARS, CARS.
AND INSTEAD YOU HAD, YOU HAD A, A SINGLE STRIP OF, OF HEAD END PARKING ALONG THE, ALONG THE TREE LINE ON THE LOWER LEFT AND COULD PUT THE AX.
AND I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MAKE AN ACCESS TO IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HELP RESOLVE THE ISSUES FOR THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO, TO HOW TO MAKE THE PEOPLE ON DIAL, DRIVE, HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY DO, YOU HAVE OUT THERE OUTSIDE THEIR BACKYARD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD FIND NINE WAYS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, PLEASE EVERYBODY, ALL SIX HOUSES THERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MY FINAL POINT IS I LIVE BY THIS TOO.
NOT, NOT AS CLOSE AS THESE PEOPLE, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT US.
WE HAVE LIVED THERE 30 OR 35 YEARS OR 40 YEARS OR 20 YEARS.
AND WE'VE HAD OUR TIME WITH OUR GREEN SPACE, WITH OUR WILDLIFE, WITH WHICH I STILL THINK THEY CAN PRESERVE THE WILDLIFE.
I IT'S THE, FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM THE BIKERS, AND, AND FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW PAINSTAKINGLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILD THIS WITHOUT TRYING WITH MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO WILDLIFE, BUT WE'VE HAD THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OURS FOREVER.
I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE FOREVER.
NONE OF US ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE FOREVER, BUT WE ARE WHAT, 20 HOMES, MAYBE TOTAL THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME KIND OF ISSUE WITH THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE SEE OR WHAT WE HEAR, OR, BUT OUR COMMUNITY HAS NEVER HAD A PARK.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO
DID THEY HAVE THAT THERE THEY'RE LIKE 40 YEARS OLD THAT THEY DID.
THEY HAVE THOSE SCHOLARSHIPS 20, 20 YEARS AGO.
I DON'T FEEL SO BAD, BUT, BUT, BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT US.
IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE KIDS.
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IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND I REALIZED I WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE AS MANY SACRIFICES AS SOME OF THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHO BORDER THIS PROJECT.
ALTHOUGH I'M WILLING TO GO OUT THE REAR GATE OF MY HOUSE AND BE THE FIRST PERSON TO VOLUNTEER, TO DO OWN THE LOOP AND PICK UP TRASH ON THE FINAL LOOP OF THE BEGINNERS TRAIL THAT GOES BEHIND MY HOUSE.
AND SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD, AND, AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE CONCERNS AND I'M STILL GOING TO HAVE CONCERNS AND ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO WORK ON TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO BORDER THIS IN BEHALF OF EVERYBODY ELSE, WHO'S BORDERED BY TROY PIKE AND, UH, AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, I'M WILLING TO HELP.
AND, AND, AND, AND I HOPE THAT THE REST OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY WOULD TRY TO DO THE SAME, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT ENJOY THIS PARK.
MAYBE I WILL, I STILL HAVE A BICYCLE, BUT, BUT, AND, AND MAYBE YOUR KIDS WON'T BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GROWN, MAYBE EVEN OUR GRANDKIDS WON'T, BUT IF THEY DO IT RIGHT, AND THE CITY DOES RIGHT BY THESE PROJECTS, NOT JUST WHEN THEY INSTALL THEM, BUT WHEN THEY MAINTAIN THEM FOR DECADES, THERE'S GOING TO BE GENERATIONS OF CHILDREN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WILL GET TO ENJOY THIS PARK, WHETHER IT'S A PUMP TRACK AND, AND, AND MOUNTAIN BIKING.
THAT'S A LITTLE FOREIGN TO ME.
BUT IT'S THIS GENERATIONS OF KIDS PLAYGROUND, NOT MY PLAYGROUND FROM WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD AND NOT MY KIDS' PLAYGROUND FROM WHEN THEY WERE 12 YEARS OLD.
IT'S THIS GENERATION'S PLAYGROUND.
IT'S THE NEXT GENERATION'S PLAYGROUND.
VERY, VERY, UM, IMPASSION JUST AS, AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT I JUST PERSONALLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH AN ADVOCATE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, AS A WHOLE.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY GREAT PERSPECTIVE.
UH, IT'S A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE SOMETIMES TO TRY TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN, UM, INDEPENDENT SITUATION.
BUT, UH, I TOOK YOUR WORDS TO HEART, I THINK, UM, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMUNITY ADVOCACY.
THAT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO ME.
UM, AND TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PLAYGROUND, IT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT IT'S BEEN MY PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WHEN THE TORNADO HIT THAT PROPERTY, ALL OF THE TREES THAT HAD TO BE CLEARED AND TAKEN OUT OF THAT AREA, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE TREES IS STILL ON SITE STACKED IN A PILE IN THE BACK.
AND THEY'RE DESIGNATED THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO BUILD A, WHAT'S CALLED A NATURAL PLAYSCAPE.
SO YOU USE THE LOGS TO BUILD SOME TYPE OF PLACE STRUCTURE THERE'S WAYS TO PUT NETS AND STUFF UP.
SO THE KIDS HAVE CLIMBING STRUCTURES.
THERE'S WAYS TO USE THOSE, TO BUILD BENCH SWINGS, WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND SIT ON THE SWING AND ENJOY NATURE.
AND WE KEPT ALL OF THAT MATERIAL ON SITE SPECIFICALLY FOR ONCE WE WERE DONE.
AND EVEN, LIKE YOU SAID, TAKING THAT EXTRA PIECE OF THAT PERIMETER LOOP OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE PLACE TO PUT IT, THAT'S THE PLACE TO PUT IT, BUT THIS PARK LENDS ITSELF TO HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE TO ADD THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT DO MAKE IT A MULTI-USE PARK.
SPEAKER, YOU GOT A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT MOVING THE PARKING LOT.
COULD WE IT'S HORIZONAL, CAN WE MAKE IT VERTICAL AND LIKE, COME IN, LIKE YOU SUGGEST ON THE LEFT AND TAKE THAT LOOP AND THE LEFT OUT, WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? SURE.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL, SO THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN'T BE AMENDED OR CAN'T BE ALTERED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING OR THE RELOCATION THERE'S BUFFERING, RIGHT.
SO IF WE COULD MAYBE, UH, SEPARATE THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE SIDEWALK, I THINK IN THE, UH, EXAMPLE, THEY'RE KIND OF RIGHT UP AGAINST THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS COULD BE SCREENED OR BUFFERED, UH, BASED ON THE LAST COMMENTS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE, UM, THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION OF THE, UM, MORE CONVENTIONAL PLAY STRUCTURES OR MORE CONVENTIONAL PART.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, MAKING THE USE THE BIKING USE LESS DENSE IN SOME ASPECTS AND, YOU KNOW, APPLYING, UH, THOSE, THOSE COMPONENTS.
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NOTHING THAT'S UP HERE TODAY IS SET IN STONE.SO EVERYTHING THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN CAN BE MOVED AND ALTERED BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD, UH, TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST TO SEE THIS PROJECT.
SO, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME ROOMS WITH PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH ROOM DO WE HAVE BEFORE NOW? YOU'RE PARKING ON A PRETTY SERIOUS FUTURE SLEDDING HILL.
I DON'T EVEN NOT WITH THE METAL BARS AND METAL CABLE ON THERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO SLED THERE EITHER.
LIKE MY KIDS USED TO GO BACK IN THERE AND
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE, HAVE, HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO SAY OR BE HEARD OR AN OPINION OR, OR ANYTHING BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT? SORRY, I BECAME NERVOUS CAUSE I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO SPEAK, BUT I ACTUALLY FORGOT THE QUESTION.
I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, I'M A SEPARATE PERSON.
UM, MY QUESTION WAS JUST THE, UM, THE SURVEY.
CAN YOU BRING THAT BACK UP? I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY PEOPLE FILLED OUT THE SURVEY AND THEN SEEING HOW MANY BOXES THAT THIS CHECKED FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE AND THE REPORT FROM THE PARKS MASTER PLAN? I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT SURVEY WAS SENT TO OR WHO VOLUNTEERED.
I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT'S ALL PART OF THE PARTS MASTER PLAN.
THIS WAS IN, UH, EARLY 2017 WHEN, UH, WHEN THEY STARTED THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
I MEAN, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MAILED OUT TO EVERY RESIDENT OR IF IT WAS JUST SAYING, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO FILL THIS OUT, COME PICK IT UP.
AND JOSH, WE ALSO HAD, WE HAD LIKE A BIG OPEN TOWN HALL AT THAT TIME TOO, WHERE WE HAD KIND OF STORYBOARDS SET UP, BUT THERE WERE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY HAD LIKE RED DOTS, GREEN DOTS, BLUE DOTS.
AND THEY WERE WELL, NO, NO, WE, WE DID THAT AT THE LIBRARY.
WHAT WE HAD HERE WAS ALL ABOUT THE PARKS.
CAN I, SO YEAH, OR I'M SORRY, NOT THE LIBRARY WE DID AT THE BOOSTER CENTER.
WE DID THE BRAND PIKE, BLUE.GREEN.AT THE BOOSTER CENTER.
WE HAD THE STORYBOARDS HERE FOR THE PARKS AND PEOPLE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK REALLY WANT, YOU KNOW, BALL FIELDS, THIS W WHATEVER, THE, WHATEVER THE CASE WAS.
AND I THINK PART OF ALL THAT SURVEY HERE, INDEPENDENT THAT NIGHT MADE UP ALL PART OF THAT FINAL PLAN.
I NEED TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY CLEAR AGAIN FOR THE MICROPHONE.
UM, SOMETHING THAT MR. SHAW AND MR. OTTO BROUGHT UP TO ME WHEN THEY WERE VISITING ON IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THAT OTHER PART OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU BROUGHT UP CONCERNING BIKE TRAILS, THE, UH, OVER BY WHAT USED TO BE THE OLD YMCA POOL AREA AND THE OTHER BIKE AMENITY OVER THERE, OTHER BIKE COMENITY.
AND SINCE WHEN I THOUGHT OF IT, BECAUSE OF THIS, SHE ASKED HIM, YOU POP THIS UP, WE'RE WALKING IN BIKE TRAILS, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PEOPLE IN OUR PART OF THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF YOUR PLAN IS TO CREATE A MORE ADVANCED TYPE BIKE AMENITY IN ANOTHER PART OF THE TOWN.
SO THEY'RE THINKING THAT ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DO TRICKS AND THINGS ON, ON BICYCLES ARE ALL GOING TO HEAD OVER TO LONGFORD AND DIAL.
I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING UP FOR A MOMENT, THE PLAN FOR THAT FACILITY, BECAUSE MAYBE SOME OF THE, OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH A LOT OF ACTIVITY MIGHT GET DRAWN AWAY BY THAT, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP TO ME WHEN WE WERE, I THINK WE WERE REFERRING TO IS, UH, I HAD EXPRESSED MY BELIEF, MY OPINION THAT A, THIS PARTICULAR AMENITY IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO ATTRACT THE HARDCORE BMX TYPE KID.
HE'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT OVER IT MONITA BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTUAL FULL ON BMX, HIGH BANK, BIG HILL, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND IT'S ACTUALLY, YEAH.
AND WITH A, UH, A SKATE PARK NEXT TO IT, WITH THE HALF PIPES AND THE BIG THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS MY POINT THAT I THINK THIS AMENITIES GOING TO ATTRACT MORE OF THE FAMILY UNIT AND THE YOUNGER KIDS IS AS MORE INTERESTED IN THE TRACK PORTION OF IT.
ANYWAY, MAYBE NOT THE TRAILS, YOU MIGHT GET PLENTY OF OLDER PEOPLE
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ON THE TRAILS, BUT WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT'S.UM, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEAR MOUNTAIN BIKING AND THINGS LIKE THIS, THEY'RE THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, RED BULL RAMPAGE, PEOPLE TAKING THESE BIG JUMPS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT OUT THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.
WELL, IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE IN THE WOODS, BUT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
NONE OF THIS STUFF IS GOING TO BE THE BIG, HIGH FLYING LOOP-DE-LOOP TRICK STUFF.
NOW, YOU KNOW, MR. ZULA MAY, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF ON A PUMP TRACK, BUT, UH, THIS WON'T BE THE SIZE THAT HE RIDES ON.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE SPEAKING OF AT MONITA, YOU KNOW, THE SKATE PARK AND THE BMX PARK OVER THERE WILL BE THE PLACE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO THAT WANT TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
ALL OF THE, WELL, IT'S NOT UP THERE NOW, BUT ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE THERE ARE THERE TO HELP TRAIN CHILDREN ON GETTING COMFORTABLE ON A BIKE AND FEELING COMFORTABLE MOVING INTO THE WOODS.
UM, ALL OF EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE IS DESIGNED TO CREATE THAT AWARENESS, TO CREATE THAT FEELING.
YOU KNOW, THAT FEELING YOU GET IN YOUR GUT, WHEN YOU GO OVER A BUMP ON THE ROAD, YOU GET THAT ON A BIKE TOO.
AND WHEN YOU LEARN TO ROLL THOSE ROLLERS, YOU GET THAT SENSE OF SATISFACTION.
BUT THEN YOU GO IN THE WOODS AND YOU START RIDING THE NATURAL TERRAIN AND YOU REALIZE, OH, THIS IS A LITTLE SCARIER.
SO YOU GO BACK OUT THERE AND YOU WORK ON SOME MORE ON THESE OTHER TRAILS AND YOU GET MORE COMFORTABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS DESIGNED THE WAY THAT IT IS IT'S TO HELP THE KIDS AND TO HELP TRAIN THE KIDS, TO GO RIDE THOSE OTHER TRAILS AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FIND A NEW PASSION AND A NEW JOY, OR THEY GO THERE, THEY GET BORED.
AND THEN THEY GO TO THE OTHER PARK AND THEY START FLIPPING AND FLOPPING AND ALL THIS STUFF THAT THEY DO ON THOSE.
UM, IF IT GOES THROUGH, SO A LOT OF THE PICTURES SHOWED LIKE, HEY, BRIGHT ORANGE, BRIGHT BLUE ITEMS AND EVERYTHING AT ALL.
UM, IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE NATURAL OR MAKE IT MORE SEAMLESS INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT, I THINK THAT, CAUSE I DON'T WANT A BIG ORANGE CONE, BUT NOT MY
UM, I'LL SAY STILL, NOT AS MUCH OF A FAN, BUT, UM, IF AT LEAST SEEMS MORE SEAMLESS INTO THE NATURE AROUND IT, THEN IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THERE'S THIS BIG ORANGE CONE EYESORE IN THE, AS SOON AS I LOOK OUT MY SUN ROOM THAT I PUT ON MY BACK OF MY HOUSE, LIKE, WELL, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY MY THOUGHT ALL ALONG WAS THE NATURAL PLAYSCAPE WHEN IT COMES TO A PLAYGROUND THERE EVENTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU LOOK OUT AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY IT LOOKS LIKE GIANT LINCOLN LOGS STACK, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS WITH IT.
THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN PICK COLORS THAT ARE MORE NATURAL, BUT OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT TOO, WOULD BE WITH THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, GRAVEL INSTEAD OF ASPHALT, BECAUSE THEN IT BLENDS IN A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, A LOT OF YOUR, YOUR MOUNTAIN BIKE FACILITIES HAVE GRAVEL LOTS INSTEAD OF ASPHALT LOTS, UM, BECAUSE IT HELPS TO THAT NATURAL MATERIAL AND NATURAL SURFACE LOOK.
AND THEN, UM, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THE TWO GENTLEMEN WHEN THEY STOPPED BY EARLIER, UM, OUT IN FAIRMONT, WHICH IS MY PARENTS LIVE.
THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP ON BYRON, WHICH THERE'S THE ROCK QUARRY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S BYRON, WHICH IS DOWN FROM 2 35, UH, A LADY GAVE HER HOUSE TO THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE FULL STORY.
UM, I THINK SHE WAS, THERE WAS NO FAMILY, SO SHE JUST DONATED HER HOUSE.
UM, THEY TURNED IT INTO A, UM, I GUESS, SO IT CONNECTS TO MAYBE THE TRAILS THAT ARE WITH THE QUARRY OR SOMETHING.
UM, IT'S CALLED PEARLS FINN, AND DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALLOWED AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO SPEAK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'VE SEEN PRIVACY FENCES GO UP SINCE THEN.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT NOT BE A LOT OF CARS, BUT THERE'S ENOUGH THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THAT IN THAT AREA FELT THAT THEY NEEDED TO PUT IN PRIVACY FENCES, THAT IT IS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CARS THAT PARK THERE WHEN I GO PAST IT.
SO SOMETHING IS DRIVING THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY NEEDED TO ADD THAT PRIVACY FENCE TO THEIR SPACE TO MAKE THEM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE AT THEIR HOME.
UM, SORRY, WHAT IS POSSIBLE? YES.
BUT, UM, SINCE, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE THAT HOUSE HASN'T TURNED OVER, CHANCES ARE PROBABLY WAS CAUSE THAT SPACE ONE, CAUSE THAT WAS NEW, BUT
SO TRIMBLE HAS A PROGRAM THAT MADE IT TO WHERE WE COULD TAKE THE FILES AND THE DESIGNS FOR THIS PARK AND ESSENTIALLY WALK AROUND WITH AN IPAD AND SEE THEM IN REAL TIME, UH, LOOKING THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
UM, SO I WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK OUT AND MAKE A VIDEO OF AND, AND,
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YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, SEEING THE AERIAL DOES ONE THING, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING IT IN PLACE.UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON THE DEGREE, THERE'S A WORK SESSION OR AN ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE COULD DO THAT AND INVITE EVERYBODY BACK AND SEE THAT.
BRIAN, WHAT I MEAN, AS WE LOOK AT, I MEAN, WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET FOR THIS PARK, OBVIOUSLY THAT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS SET IN STONE.
WE HAVE WE'VE APPROPRIATED THE MONEY.
BUT YOU START LOOKING, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE PARKING WASN'T INCLUDED IN THAT INITIAL BUDGET.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONTINGENCY PLAN THERE, BUT I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED IF, IF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG, UH, DIAL LOOKING BACK THERE.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AND OPPOSES THIS IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, IF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT A PRIVACY FENCE BACK THERE, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THE CITY CONTRIBUTING TO DO THAT.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO LOOK INTO THERE, THEY DO WANT THAT PRIVACY.
UM, IT'S ONLY, I, I, I, IF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT ONE, I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
IF THERE'S SOMEBODY I UNDERSTAND, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THIS WOULD GO THERE AND SOMEBODY WANTED A PRIVACY FENCE, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO ADDING THAT AS PART OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SIX HOUSES THERE THAT I'M SEEING THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED IN THEIR REAR VIEW.
IF YOU DIDN'T WANT ONE AND YOU STILL WANTED TO SEE WHATEVER'S BACK THERE, BUT PERFECTLY FINE.
BUT IF YOU PREFER THE PRIVACY, YOU DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE LOOKING AT YOUR BACKYARD.
ALL I'M SAYING IS AS PART OF THE BUDGET AND THIS OVERALL PROJECT IS WE'RE HAVE TO ADJUST THIS.
I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY OPINION.
IF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT THAT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR US TO DO SOMETHING.
AND THEN, UM, WHICH THEN WOULD FORCE SOMEONE ELSE TO, TO PAY FOR, OR ADD AN EXTRA EXPENSE ON THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE SOMETHING THE CITY DECIDED TO DO, THAT'S MY POINT.
AND THERE'S MORE THAN WE HAVE AMPLE ROOM.
WE HAVE AMPLE TIME TO ADJUST THE BUDGET BASED ON THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT THAT COUNCIL DECIDES TO ADVANCE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD HERE.
SO, UH, IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WERE DECIDED TO ADD OR OTHER FEATURES TO TRY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUFFER OR MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS, THOSE ARE ALL ASPECTS THAT WE CAN BUILD INTO THE BUDGET.
AND I WILL SAY TOO, WITH THE ORIGINAL THAT WERE GIVEN FOR THIS, UM, I KNOW SCOTT HAD RAISED THE QUESTION WHY THE PERIMETER LOOP WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE QUOTE THAT I GOT WHEN I TURNED IN THE GRANT.
UM, AND IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY PART THROUGH THEIR VERBIAGE.
UM, BUT THAT PERIMETER LOOP WAS ACTUALLY, UH, QUOTED FOR THIS PROJECT AS ALL ASPHALT, BUT IT CAN BE DONE IN GRAVEL AND IT CAN BE DONE WELL IN GRAVEL.
UM, AND IT ACTUALLY CREATES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT NATURAL LOOK WITH THE GRAVEL MORE THAN THE ASPHALT WOULD.
SO CHANGING THAT BACK TO GRAVEL CREATES, YOU KNOW, SAVINGS IN ITSELF.
AND I CAN FIND OUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE, CAUSE THAT MAY ALLOW US, YOU KNOW, MORE ROOM FOR ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL.
MY POINT IS, I THINK THEY'RE THERE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS OPPOSED TO DOING WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THIS AS AT LEAST AS INVASIVE ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I'M CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE WRAP UP THIS EVENING, JUST REMEMBER THESE ARE HOMES THAT WE'VE PUT OUR YEARS.
WE LIKE THE QUIET, YOU CAN TELL HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
AND I THINK WILL, THOSE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF THE POLICY AND HOW THIS MOVES FORWARD AT OUR, AT OUR WORK SESSION AND OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME AND THEN, AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD AT THOSE FORMAL MEETINGS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT THAT I KNOW, UM, HAD HAD VERY, UM, UH, VARIOUS OPINIONS ABOUT ANOTHER PROJECT GOING ON IN THE CITY AND, AND IT ENDED UP IN THEIR FAVOR BECAUSE THEY KEPT AT IT.
THEY KEPT, THEY KEPT TALKING, KEPT TALKING AND THEY LET US KNOW, AND THEY'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO WE DO, AND WE HAVE A PRECEDENT I BELIEVE OF, OF SHOWING THAT WE WILL WORK WITH RESIDENTS TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION, THE BEST SOLUTION I WILL STATE THE BEST SOLUTION IS CERTAINLY NOT NO SOLUTION.
THERE IS A BEST SOLUTION OUT THERE THAT SATISFIES EVERYBODY.
WE GOT TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND IT.
UM, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THAT.
SO, UM, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR VOICE AND YOUR CONCERNS ARE NOT BEING HEARD.
AND THIS COUNCIL HAS, HAS, HAS A HISTORY OF DOING, UH, DOING THAT AND LISTENING AND, AND, AND DOING WHAT WE'RE ASKED.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM, FROM ANYONE? MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN IS THE WORKING SESSION? I HAVEN'T HEARD LIKE WHEN YOU WERE ALLOWED TO
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COME TO THAT, RIGHT? WELL, YES.ALL OF OUR FORMAL MEETINGS ARE ALL PUBLIC ORAL PUBLIC, THEY'RE ALL RECORDED.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN CUT OUR WORKING SESSIONS ARE TUESDAYS.
SO BASICALLY THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
SO OUR SCHEDULE THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH IS A WORK SESSION.
ALL THE THINGS DISCUSSED AT THAT WORK SESSION THEN GETS ADVANCED TO, ALONG AS COUNCIL AGREES TO THE FOLLOWING MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING.
SO IT'S A TUESDAY THEN A MONDAY, THEN THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY IS ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
AND THEN THE NEXT THEN THE FOURTH, MONDAY IS AN THE COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THE FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS ARE WORK SESSIONS.
SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAYS ARE COUNSELINGS.
AND WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT STAFF BRINGS UP WHERE THERE'S ALWAYS DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS AND LEGISLATION AND ALL THINGS COMING FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT KIND OF COME NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
THOSE ARE ALL DONE WITH THE WORK SESSION.
SO THE WORK SESSIONS REALLY, THOSE ARE GREAT MEANS TO COME TO THEY'RE THEY'RE MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN THE COUNCIL MEETINGS ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEETINGS IS JUST KIND OF THE FORMAL VOTE, THE FORMAL ACTION OF THE ITEMS THAT NOW NEED TO BE PASSED, UM, OR VOTED DOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL'S WISHES, THE WORK SESSIONS, WHERE IT'S INFORMAL, UM, THAT'S WHERE REALLY ALL THE DISCUSSION AND THE ALL KIND OF WORKS INTO THAT TO DETERMINE IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT INFORMATION ON TO A COUNCIL MEETING.
WELL, YOU LISTED PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THERE'S SO TYPICALLY, SO IT'S ALWAYS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET INTO SO HOT BUTTON TOPICS LIKE THIS, UM, I'M CERTAINLY MORE APT TO ALLOW DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC COMMENTARY.
THE WORKING SESSION IS JUST KIND OF A PUBLIC MEETING AMONGST COUNCIL.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THESE THINGS OUT PUBLIC COMMENTARY IS FROM AN AGENDA PERSPECTIVE.
UH, IN TYPICAL SITUATIONS IS ALWAYS LEFT FOR, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENTARY AT THE ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY WE HAD TOPICS BEFORE SUCH AS ZONING ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WERE AFFECTING LOTS OF PEOPLE.
SOME PEOPLE CAN'T COME TO THE MONDAY MEETINGS, MAYBE TUESDAY'S AVAILABLE.
SO IN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THAT, UH, CERTAINLY I WOULD ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENTARY TO WORK SESSION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS HAS DONE, IT'S DONE RIGHT, AND EVERYBODY'S SATISFIED.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT, THAT FITS WHAT EVERYBODY'S ISSUES.
SO THEN IS THE TENT AT THE, WHENEVER IS THE NEXT SCHEDULED WORK SESSION TO THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, WE KNOW THIS SESSION THAT'S IN TWO WEEKS OR WHATEVER IT IS IS ONLY GOING TO BE ABOUT THESE TOPICS.
SO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, SO THIS IS THURSDAY.
SO THIS COMING TUESDAY WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION.
AND, UM, AND WE'LL WE'LL OH, MINE IS COUNSELING.
WE JUST HAD A WORK SESSION TUESDAY.
SO THAT WOULD THEN WOULD BE THE FEBRUARY OR JULY 6TH WOULD BE THE NEXT.
SO THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT'S MONDAY, THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT AGENDA ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED BASED ON THIS PAST TUESDAY'S WORK SESSION.
SO THEN THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY, YES.
WOULD BE A WORK SESSION WHERE WE'LL HAVE AGAIN, OPEN DISCUSSIONS.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GOING TO ASSUME BRIAN, AT THIS POINT, JOSH HAD STAFF WAS GOING TO GO BACK TO WORK AND LOOK AT THIS THING AND START BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET US NUMBERS BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BUDGET WE APPROVED WHAT TO LOOK AT, SEE IF ANY AMENDMENTS NEEDED, YOU NEEDED THE APPROPRIATIONS OF THE MONEY, UM, AND, AND TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO THIS IS NOT DONE BEING TALKED ABOUT.
SO YEAH, THAT THE SIX WOULD BE THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, IF I WAS GOING TO TRY AND COME, THERE'LL BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VERSUS COMING IN AND NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING.
AND I'LL SAY THIS, ANYBODY IT'S ON LISTENING TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AND TALK AT A WORK SESSION ABOUT THIS, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENTARY AT THAT WORK SESSION.
THE DATES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AND THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S A SHOWCASE IN THE LOBBY WITH THE WORK SESSIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS POSTED THERE.
SO YEAH, DEFINITELY HIT THE WEBSITE AND YOU'LL SEE THAT LIST OF, I THINK ALL OF OUR YEARLY MEETINGS ARE ALL, ARE ALL LISTED ON THERE.
YOU CAN FIND MEETINGS FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ALL PUBLIC AND ALL ON THE, ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION WHERE ANY, WE TRY TO MAKE IT WHERE ANYBODY CAN BE AS INVOLVED AND PROACTIVE AND ACTIVE WITH ANY ONGOINGS IN THE CITY AS POSSIBLE.
AND THE WEBSITE'S THE BIG VEHICLE FOR THAT.
AND THEN CERTAINLY THE PARKS PAGE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, FACEBOOK PAGE, ALL THOSE THINGS, JUST, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO BE AS INVOLVED IN AND PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE THINGS AS YOU CAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF ANNOUNCEMENTS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS, ALWAYS ON THE FACEBOOK AND ON OUR WEBSITE.
I JUST, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE WRAPPING UP.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR ACTUALLY COMING OUT AND PROVIDING YOUR OPINIONS NIGHT.
UM, I KNOW JUST ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE ROOM HAS MY CONTACT INFORMATION.
IF ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS TO LET ME KNOW, PLEASE REACH OUT IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HELP, BUT AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU FOR BEING INVOLVED, WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST.
SO THANK YOU SHOWING UP IS ALWAYS HALF THE BATTLE, RIGHT.
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AND, AND THANK YOU.AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN, WHEN WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE FUTURE MEETINGS, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT IT AND FIGURE THIS THING OUT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.
UH, EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT NIGHT DRIVE HOME, SAFE AND HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN SOON.