Jun 22, 2021 Council Work Session

AND IN THREE DAYS, OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT, UH, MR. IS ENJOYING THIS ON THIS WEEK.

NO CHANGES.

UH, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

I, NUMBER THREE, WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING WITH OUR TOPICS.

[ City Manager Report]

SO THIS RICHARD KOSKI IS FILLING IN FOR HIM.

SO BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD, THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK ITEMS FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT.

UM, ARPA FUNDING.

UH, WE DID JUST GET NOTICED TODAY THAT OUR ARPA FUNDING ALLOCATION HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 7 MILLION TO 4 MILLION.

NOW THAT THE TOWNSHIPS ARE BACK IN THE MIX, UH, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO FORMULATE A, UM, FINANCING PLAN OR A SPENDING PLAN, UH, FOR THOSE ARPA FUNDS.

UH, HOWEVER, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, DEFENSE AND THE STATE CONTINUED TO REMAIN ELUSIVE ON CLEARLY DEFINING WHAT THE MONIES WILL NOT BE USED FOR.

UH, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL CONFERENCE CALL TOMORROW, UH, WITH THE STATE TREASURER'S OFFICE THAT MR. BELL WILL BE ON.

SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL TO HAVE SOME CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR YOU THE NEXT TIME WE'RE TOGETHER, A WORK SESSION.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO START SEEING SOME ACTIVITY AT THE ROSE STARTING ON JULY ONE.

SO WE'LL BE FIRING THAT FACILITY BACK UP, GETTING IT PREPPED AND READY TO GO FOR THE CONCERT SERIES THAT BEGAN A LITTLE LATER THAT MONTH.

UH, WE DID CLOSE TODAY ON WINDBROOK THE FINAL PHASE OF WINDBROOK.

SO WE DID RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS, UH, VIA TRANSFER FROM THE FOLKS OVER AT, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS.

UH, AND LASTLY, I DID WANT TO TOUCH BASE, UH, VERY BRIEFLY WITH COUNCIL REGARDING, UH, REPUBLIC SERVICES.

UH, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE ARE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE TRANSITION SPECIFIC TO BILLING AND UNDERSTANDING THE BILLING, UH, WAS ON THE PHONE TODAY, UH, SEVERAL TIMES AND TRADED EMAILS WITH, UH, THE, UH, REPUBLIC MUNICIPAL SERVICES MANAGERS, GREG BUTLER, UH, THEIR POSITION AT THE MOMENT IS THAT THEIR BILLING RATE IS CORRECT.

UM, AND THAT THEY ARE APPLYING THE CORRECT RATE FROM THE CONTRACT.

UH, BUT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF REASONS AS TO WHY NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE THE SAME BILL.

SO THEY HAVE OFFERED TO MAKE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE.

MR. BUTLER'S OFFERED TO MAKE HIMSELF AVAILABLE, UH, HOPEFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE IN ADVANCE OF, UH, THE JULY 6TH WORK SESSION.

SO, UH, THE MAYOR AND I DID COMMUNICATE, AND HE HAS AN INTEREST TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THAT PURPOSE.

WE'RE ALSO HOPEFUL TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE BEYOND, UH, THE MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT SERVICE, SOMEONE OVER IN FINANCE, WHO CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND WHY NO TWO BILLS ARE ALIKE SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST START GETTING SOME INFORMATION OUT THIS WEEK THAT MIGHT BETTER HELP RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND OR BETTER EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY THESE BILLS ARE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.

SO I DID WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.

UH, YOU DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM ME A SHORT WHILE AGO, UH, WHICH WAS A AFFORDED OF A COMMUNICATION I HAD WITH MR. BUTLER, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE WE'RE IN THIS COMMUNICATION.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT.

I KNOW THAT IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR, UH, FOR OUR CITIZENS.

I KNOW IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE TRYING TO FIELD THOSE PHONE CALLS AND, AND PROVIDE RELEVANT INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S NOT LOST ON STAFF.

AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY AND WORK THAT FOR YOU SO WE CAN GET ANSWERS.

SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I BROUGHT TONIGHT, UH, FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, BUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, SIR.

THANKS, BRIAN.

UH, TWO QUESTIONS, BRIAN, DO WE HAPPEN TO KNOW WHY THAT, UH, 7.5 WAS REDUCED TO FOUR? UM, THE REASON IS THAT THE PRIOR ALLOCATION, THE LARGER ALLOCATION SEVEN, THE TOWNSHIPS WERE BEING VIEWED AS SUBDIVISIONS OF THE COUNTY AND UNDER THIS NEW ALLOCATION, EACH TOWNSHIP, UM, IS GETTING A DIRECT ALLOCATION NOW.

SO THAT'S WHY THE, THAT'S WHY THE NUMBER OR THE ALLOCATION TO THE CITIES ARE LOWER.

THE PHONE, UH, LATE THIS AFTERNOON, WHICH WAS, UH, WE HERE AT CITY HALL ARE RECEIVING COMPLAINTS, UM, ABOUT THE QUALITY OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AT THE REPUBLIC, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, WHEN YOU TALKED TO REPUBLIC, DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY INFORMATION OF HOW, HOW THEY ARE GOING TO, UM, HOW PEOPLE WILL GO ABOUT GETTING THEIR SENIOR DISCOUNT? YEAH, SO THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE LAST COMMENTS THAT I LEFT MR. BUTLER WHEN WE WERE ON

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SO, UH, WE PASSED THAT ON AND THEN WE ALSO DID NOTIFY MR. BUTLER THAT, UH, THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE STAFF ARE TELLING OUR CITIZENS, HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE CO YOU DON'T HAVE THE SENIOR DISCOUNT BECAUSE THEY'RE APPLYING IT IN THE NOW.

AND WHAT WE ASKED WAS, NO, YOU NEED TO TELL THEM THE DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY NOW, BUT WILL APPLY BEGINNING JULY ONE.

AND HOPEFULLY IN THE MANNER OF GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE, YOU SHOULD MAKE THE NECESSARY NOTES AND NOTATIONS AND APPLY THOSE REQUESTS AS OF JULY ONE AND NOT ASK PEOPLE TO CALL BACK.

SO MR. BUTLER DID SAY THAT HE WOULD REACH OUT TO THE MANAGER AT THAT FACILITY, FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING AND PASS ON THOSE COMPLIMENTS OR PASS ON THOSE COMMENTS AND TO HOPE THAT WE CAN AT LEAST GET SOME IMMEDIATE RELIEF TO OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE HAVING TO CALL IN AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

UM, I AGREE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CALL IN, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL IN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FORM OF COMMUNICATION TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW THEY WILL APPLY.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT EVERYBODY KEEPS ASKING.

AND ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT, UM, REPUBLIC CITED AS PART OF THIS IS WE HAD SUCH A QUICK TURNAROUND IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THAT DELAY.

SO THE NORMAL NOTIFICATION, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE GONE OUT AND ADVANCED TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO DO THIS.

THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO PREPARE AND TO GET OUT BEFORE THE NEW RATES.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE, NOT ON THEM, NOT ON US, JUST THE NATURE OF HOW THAT, THAT, THAT CONTRACT CAME ABOUT.

SO, UM, SO THAT IS ONE ISSUE AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT AND WE DO TOO.

SO, BUT THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE TO NOT BE IN A POSITION TO BETTER COMMUNICATE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND HOW TO GET WHERE WE NEED IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND IF WE CAN ASSURE THE CITIZENS THAT IF IT TAKES THEM A WHILE TO GET THROUGH ON THE LINE, IF THEY HAVE TO CALL OUR TO, TO RESPOND BY MAIL, THAT THEY WILL GET CREDITED FOR THE JULY MONTH AND, AND FORWARD.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT RESOLUTION IS GOING TO BE, BUT I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT WORKED OUT.

AND ONCE WE DO KNOW WHAT THAT RESOLUTION IS, WE WILL COMMUNICATE THAT ON THE WEB AND VIA SOCIAL MEDIA AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MA'AM YES.

MS. BAKER, WHAT PAPERWORK CREDENTIALING WILL THE SENIOR CITIZEN NEED? THAT'S THE QUESTION I WANT TO BE ASKED TO REPUBLIC, WHAT WILL THEY NEED TO GET THAT DONE? OKAY.

SO IS IT A DRIVER'S LICENSE? IS IT LIKE THEY'LL LET US KNOW WHAT THEIR CREDENTIALING SURE.

I'LL UM, I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT NOW, BUT, UM, UH, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING THE UPDATE? YES.

SURE, SURE.

I NEED YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

HI.

CAUSE I CAN'T SEE, I'M TELLING YOU I NEED A LINE OR SOMETHING UP HERE.

THAT'S WHY EVERY TIME I LOOKED DOWN THE WAY I'M GONE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

UM, BRIAN, I, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE FEDS DID NOT CHANGE THE FORMULA OF THE FUNDING.

IT WAS THE HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE.

IS THAT CORRECT? TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.

AND, UH, THAT WAS, UM, UH, SENATE BILL ONE 11, WHICH IS STILL CURRENTLY IN COMMITTEE AND HAS NOT BEEN PASSED THROUGH, UH, THAT I CAN'T SAY, SIR, THAT I CAN'T SAY.

SO.

I, I KNOW THAT WAS A SOURCE OF CONVERSATION THAT I, UM, I BELIEVE I ASKED THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER TO, UH, TO PUT FORTH, UH, ON A DISCUSSION TOPIC, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT THE, UH, TOWNSHIPS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN WOULD, UH, TAKE OUT THAT FUNDING.

UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALMOST ROUGHLY ABOUT A $3 MILLION DECREASE IN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.

IS THAT CORRECT? BUT CORRECT.

SO THE TWO PARTIAL PAYMENTS OF, I UNDERSTAND IT IS ABOUT 1.9 MILLION.

UM, AND WE'RE STILL SET TO RECEIVE THAT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, OR IS THAT STILL UNKNOWN? I BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE, BUT I HAVE NOT READ THE LATEST BULLETIN IN, I WAS BRIEFED BY THE FINANCE DIRECTOR BEFORE I CAME IN.

I, I DO KNOW THE OHIO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE HAS BEEN SENDING OUT MULTIPLE EMAILS ON TWEAK ON THAT.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEIR OFFICE AND I HAVE SENT SOME COMMUNICATION UP TO OUR, UH, OUR, UM, STATE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, TO HOPEFULLY GET SOMETHING BACK HERE VERY SOON ON THAT.

UH, MY SECOND PIECE IS, CAN YOU CONFIRM WHEN A REPUBLIC, UM, WHEN DID YOU SAY THE GENTLEMEN FROM REPUBLIC WAS GOING TO BE HERE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL? UH, HE HAD CONFIRMED FOR ME ON THE PHONE EARLIER TODAY, THE 6TH OF JULY, WHICH IS THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT CONVERSATION, THE MAYOR AND I ALSO DISCUSSED THE MATTER AND HE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THAT MUCH MORE EXPEDIENTLY.

AND SO I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH MR. BUTLER, UH, PRE FIVE O'CLOCK YET.

WEIRD FINANCING CHARGE OR SOME FEE ON THEIR BILL.

I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO TAKE PRECEDENT AND WE NEED TO GET THIS FIXED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

UM, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, FOLKS ARE WONDERING WHY, YOU KNOW, I'M RECEIVING A $6 BILL, BUT OTHERS ARE RECEIVING ALMOST A $60 BILL.

UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF CONFUSION.

I'VE EVEN HAD SOME CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT, UM, TO SAY THAT THEY'VE GOT A

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UM, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.

UM, I HATE THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED RIGHT DURING OUR TRANSITION OF OUR, OF OUR NEW TRASH CONTRACT.

UM, AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD THAT A LOT OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE TO THIS, WHICH IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.

UM, SO YEAH, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET MORE ANSWERS, UM, UH, TO OUR QUESTIONS THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT FOR A BULLETIN WISE.

UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, ARE WE TO TELL RESIDENTS TO PAY THEIR BILL? ARE WE TO TELL RESIDENTS TO HOLD OFF ON IT THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING? I MEAN, THESE ARE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUDGET FROM PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK OR A WONDERING WHAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR IMPACT.

AND, AND I HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THAT.

SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT TAKES, I KNOW I'M JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO, UH, TO DEFINITELY BE ON THE HORN WITH THEM FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I CAN'T GIVE DIRECTION, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE SOME ANSWERS SOONER.

MIRROR IN THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE PURCHASE OF A CRASH ATTENUATOR THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION.

[ Purchase of Crash Attenuator - Public Works Division]

UM, YEP.

UM, SO, UH, THIS IS A MOBILE CRASH ATTENUATOR.

THIS WILL BE AN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE, UM, INVENTORY.

AND THIS IS FOR TWO REASONS, UH, ONE, WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO MORE WORK WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND, UH, SO BECAUSE WE ARE DOING MORE WORK, WE WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CREWS WE CAN HAVE OUT AND IN THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE WORKING AT HIGHER SPEEDS, WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, THAT SECOND, THAT SECOND FORM OF PROTECTION IN THE ADDITIONAL ATTENUATOR.

SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WAS INCLUDED WITHIN THE 2021 BUDGET.

AND WE WOULD ASK THAT, CANCEL, ADVANCE THIS ITEM TO THE REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO THE COUNCIL MEETING.

NEXT UP IS I AM THREE C, WHICH IS TO INCREASE THE SPENDING LIMITS THROUGH AGILE NETWORKS THROUGH THE POLICE DIVISION, CHIEF, HOW ARE YOU DOING GOOD? IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE OPERATED GREEN IS GOOD.

AND

[ Increase Spending Limits - Agile Networks - Police Division]

UH, THIS IS A, A ITEM TO ASK COUNCIL TO INCREASE THE SPENDING LIMIT TO, UH, AGILE NETWORKS.

THEY PROVIDE THE PHONE AND RADIO CONNECTION TO COUNTING WOULDN'T VANDELIA AND NOW WITH OUR NEW CAD SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, HOPEFULLY GOING LIVE WITH AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

UM, WE NEED TWO ADDITIONAL CIRCUITS TO CONNECT TO RDC PRIMARY AND RDC SECONDARY.

SO IT'S JUST A, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT WAS I THINK, 21 TO INCREASE THE THIRD.

CHIEF ITEM, UH, 3D AS WELL FOR THE BULLETPROOF VEST GRANT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

AND, UH,

[ Bulletproof Vest Grant - Police Division]

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DONE EVERY YEAR FOR A LONG TIME.

WHAT WAS I GONNA REMEMBER? UM, AND THAT IS A 50% REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE HOLISTIC TESTS THAT WE ORDER.

UM, WE HAD A LOT OF, A LOT OF RETIREMENTS THIS YEAR AND A LOT OF NEW HIRES THIS YEAR.

SO, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF S THE PURCHASE.

SO WE, UH, ARE APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT FOR REIMBURSEMENT UP TO THE COST OF EIGHT, $800 CASH.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF ON THIS AS MERGED THE OLD ONES ARE, DO THEY GET RECYCLED OR WHAT? YEAH, WE HOLD ON TO THEM.

WE USE THEM AT THE RANGE SOMETIMES GOOD TO BE USED TO, UH, UM, TO WEAR OR TO, TO SHOOT, UM, JUST TO TEST.

AND THEN ALSO OUR EXPLORER POST.

UH, WE USE THEM TO, THEY'RE ONLY SUPPORTIVE FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS, EVERY FIVE YEARS.

WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.

AS LONG AS WHAT THE COMPANY WILL SUPPORT THEIR USE.

YOU HAVE A NEW OFFICER COME IN, YOU GIVE THEM NEW MERCHANDISE.

AND ITEM THREE E IS THE 2022 TAX BUDGET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SHEET? OKAY.

OBJECTIONS MOVING THIS ON TO THE COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY

[ 2022 Tax Budget]

MR. BELL, UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, YOU, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I BRING TO YOU EVERY YEAR.

UH, WE'RE ENTERING WHAT I WOULD CALL THE BUDGET SEASON.

UH, SEEMS ODD TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN JUNE, BUT THE, UM, UH, 2022 TAX BUDGET IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE, UH, MIAMI COUNTY.

UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY DOESN'T REQUIRE IT, BUT WE GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT TO BOTH, UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT IS, UM, UH, I ESTIMATES FOR WHAT I THINK THE REVENUES WILL BE IN 2022, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS TRENDS.

UH, ALSO THIS WILL LIST ALL OF OUR,

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UH, CURRENT DEBT, UH, THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

AND WHAT IT WILL DO THEN IS, UM, GENERATE A CERTIFICATE OF ESTIMATED RESOURCES FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR.

THEY WILL, I WILL COME BACK TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER.

UM, SEPTEMBER LATE, SEPTEMBER, EARLY OCTOBER WITH, UM, THEIR ESTIMATES, THE COUNTY AUDITOR WILL ESTIMATE WHAT THEY THINK OUR PROPERTY TAX LEVIES WILL BRING IN IN 2022.

AND THEN ALSO WHAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUND ESTIMATE WILL BE, UH, FROM EACH COUNTY.

AND SO I'LL BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU.

UM, JUST FOR INSTANCE, UH, IN 2021, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUND MONEY SHOULD BE ABOUT $576,000.

SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, UM, TO KEEP FOLLOWING THESE RULES FROM A MIAMI COUNTY AUDITOR.

AND, UM, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY.

UM, UM, SCOTT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT AND I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.

SO, UH, THE SAME INFORMATION THAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU TONIGHT WILL BE SHARED AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, BUT THAT IS A STATEWIDE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR COUNTIES THAT DO ACCEPT, UH, AND REQUEST, UH, A TAX BUDGET.

AND THEN WE'LL COME LATER IN THE YEAR FOR THE, UM, UH, FORMAL READING OF THE BUDGET, UH, FOR 2022, UH, THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED PROBABLY IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME, I THINK, UH, JIM, ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TAX BUDGET? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING MONDAY? CORRECT.

ALSO, YES.

ANY OBJECTIONS.

NEXT UP AS ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS THAT WOULD ALSO BE MAINTENANCE BELT.

[ Issuance of Bonds]

UH, YES, THIS IS A ISSUANCE OF BONDS, UH, ACTUALLY REFINANCING OUR BONDS THAT WE ISSUED BACK IN 2013 FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER.

AND THIS IS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REFINANCE AND, UH, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, IN THIS ROOM THAT, UH, INTEREST RATES ARE EXTREMELY GOOD RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THE, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, BONDS THAT WERE AT A 4.5, 9% INTEREST RATE AND REFINANCE THOSE, THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 2.3%.

SO BASICALLY ABOUT HALF OF WHAT IT WAS BACK IN 13, UH, THIS CAN GENERATE A SAVINGS OF $1.4 MILLION.

AND ALSO A, THAT TURNS OUT TO BE ABOUT AN AVERAGE ANNUAL DEBT PAYMENT REDUCTION OF $83,000.

SO OBVIOUSLY A WORTHWHILE TO DO THIS.

UH, WE WOULD STILL KEEP THE SAME, A MATURITY DATE OF 2038 ON THESE BONDS, WHICH WERE ORIGINALLY ISSUED, UH, FOR 25 YEAR BONDS.

SO WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER 17 YEARS LEFT ON THEM.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, UH, WE, UH, ONLY NEED, UM, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO RUSH THIS SO WE CAN HAVE A THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE A ONE READING AT THIS MEETING AND THE SECOND READING ON THE JULY 12TH, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THEY WOULDN'T BE ISSUED UNTIL AUGUST.

SO, OKAY.

PLENTY OF TIME.

WHAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OVER THE 83,000 A YEAR, BUT WHAT WAS THE TOTAL SAVINGS AND SAVINGS 1.4 MILLION 1.4 MILLION? THAT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHAT THE MARKET RATE WILL BE AT THE TIME THAT WE PUT THESE OUT IN MARKET.

THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS ESTIMATES THINK, IS JIM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM REGARDING THE ISSUANCE OF THESE REFINANCED BONDS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

[ Horizon Line Development, Inc. - Development Agreement]

UP.

IS ITEM 3G, THE HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

AND SO, UH, WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL ADVANCED THIS AGREEMENT, UM, AND, UH, THE HORIZON LINE TEAM LED BY, UH, UH, MR. DOUG LORE.

UM, AS COUNCIL WILL RECALL, UM, ABOUT GOSH, ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR, UH, WE WERE GETTING READY TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ACQUIRING THE LAYMAN PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF EXECUTIVE AND BRANDT, UH, SUBSEQUENT TO OUR ACQUISITION OF THAT PROPERTY.

UM, WE TOOK ABOUT, UH, THOSE EFFORTS THAT WE DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO BEGIN MARKETING AND ANALYZING THAT PROPERTY.

AND THROUGH THOSE EFFORTS, UM, WE CAME ABOUT, UH, TO, UH, TO MEET THE FOLKS FROM HORIZON LINE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH TOM KRATZ.

UH, WHO'S A LOCAL REALTOR HERE IN THE AREA AND THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AS WE HAD DISCUSSED A HORIZON LINE, EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN, UH, OUR PROPERTY.

AND SO TODAY WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ENTERTAINED AN ADVANCE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN AND OF ITSELF, UH, ROUGHLY OUTLINED INCLUDES 232, UH, SINGLE-STORY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, SEVEN ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, UH, UH, UH, ASSIGNMENT, IF YOU WILL, UM, ON THE PROPERTY YET TO BE DETERMINED.

AND, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, UM, THE CITY AT THIS POINT, BASED ON THE TERMS OF CONDITIONS, UM, WE WOULD, UH, NET, UH, EXCUSE ME, WE WOULD GROW, UH, RIGHT AROUND 3.6 MILLION, UH, FROM THE SALE OF THE LAND.

AND WE WOULD NET APPROXIMATELY 5.9 MILLION AT THE DURATION OF THIS PROJECT'S TENURED, WHICH, UH, WE BELIEVE, UH, IS THE 30 YEARS BASED ON THE, UH, TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT THAT WOULD APPLY.

UH,

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UH, HE AND HIS FOLKS, UM, ARE VERY ANXIOUS TO GET STARTED AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BEFORE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF THE REZONING AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL.

SO THEY'RE READY TO GET HOPPING AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, DOUG AND HIS TEAM BEING HERE, UH, TONIGHT AND THEIR ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO, UH, MORE THAN HAPPENING, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS ISSUE? THANKS, BRIAN.

ANY QUESTIONS, UM, FOR, FOR BRIAN OR, UH, DEVELOPERS, IF THEY'RE HERE, UM, REGARDING THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY? YES, MRS. BURCH, YES.

AS I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS POPPED UP THAT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I'M REALLY GLAD WHOEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, ON THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT, IT SAYS, UM, THIS HAS HEARD A CRA AND WE'RE, WE'RE GRANTING REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS UP TO 50% FOR UP TO 15 YEARS, THE, THE UP TO THING.

WHEN IS, IS THAT A PART OF THE NEGOTIATION OF THE FINAL? I DON'T KNOW.

SO THAT IS, SO THE NEGOTIATED TERMS ARE FOR THE 50% FOR THE 15 YEAR PERIOD.

SO WHERE ARE WE SAYING UP TO IF IT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED? UH, THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE, SO IT'S THE TAKE FROM THE LANGUAGE.

SO, BUT THAT IS THE UNDERSTANDING AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION WHICH WILL COME ON THE HEELS THAT SET THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THAT CRA.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE'S A, UM, UNDER THE STORM SEWER SECTION, UH, THEY MAKE REFERENCE TO, UH, THE RETENTION FACILITIES AND, UM, SAID THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE RETENTION FACILITIES IS TO PROVIDE A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, TO COLLECT AND CONTROL INAPPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER TO MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE HORIZON LINE PROPERTY.

IN ADDITION TO SUPPORTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT NEEDS ASSOCIATED WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF PARCELS.

AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER PARCEL NUMBERS HERE, WHERE ARE THOSE PARCEL NUMBERS? SO THOSE PARCELS ARE THE TWO PARCELS TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST ONE BEING THE NEW BAUER FARM AND THE OTHER BEING THE ACREAGE, UH, OWNED BY MRS. HUBER.

AND SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTIES, THERE IS A STREAM, WE'LL CALL IT, THERE IS A WATER COLLECTING DEPRESSION THAT STARTS ON, UM, MRS. UH, HUBRIS PROPERTY, AND THEN COMES FLOWS EAST AND EVENTUALLY INTO THE MOVES EAST AND EVENTUALLY FLOWS INTO, UH, THE, UH, THE CARRIAGE TRAILS METRO PARK.

UH, OUR ATTEMPT HERE IS TO PARTNER WITH, UH, THE FOLKS AT HORIZON LINE.

WE'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO THE NEW BOWERS, UH, ABOUT HOW WE CAN BRING ALL OF THE STORM WATER INTO ONE LOCATION, OR AS MUCH OF THE STORMWATER INTO ONE LOCATION AS WE CAN TO MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPABLE FOOTPRINT OF ALL THOSE PARCELS.

SO THAT BY COLLECTIVELY BUILDING THIS RESOURCE, UH, THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO DEVELOP THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS TO OUR BENEFIT.

SO WE HAVE MORE ASSETS TO TAX.

WE'RE ALSO HAVING AN ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH METRO PARKS ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THE WATER FOR, UM, A, UH, A PURPOSE OF THEIR NEEDS ON THEIR SIDE.

SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY EVALUATING THAT REQUEST AS WELL.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AGREEMENT ON STORM WATER MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR OPTIONS OPEN AND FLEXIBLE TO MEET THE DEVELOPER'S NEEDS SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT, UH, THAT, THAT THEY FEEL IS MOST APPROPRIATE.

AND THEN WE BELIEVE IS THE APPROPRIATE PRODUCT FOR THE SITE.

GREAT.

THAT'S THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

AND, UM, THE LAST ONE IS FOR YOU, BRIAN, THAT ON A SIGNATURE PAGE, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE SIGNATURE.

IS THAT, UH, IS THAT NOT MR. ? NO, MR. HIS NAME'S NOT ON THERE.

OH, OKAY.

WELL, WHAT MAKES SURE THAT IT IS, BUT IT SHOULD BE OKAY.

SORRY.

THAT WAS A, UH, A BORROW FROM, WELL, I FIGURED, BUT WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY ANNUALLY IT'S PROBABLY ON, SHOULD BE ON SCOTT'S RADAR MORE THAN MINE, BECAUSE I'M BEING HONEST.

AND I KNOW THAT THE, UH, DISCUSSIONS ON, UM, WILL COME IN THE FUTURE ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT I WANTED TO ASK THE MAYOR, WHERE ARE WE ON OUR POLICY THAT WE WERE WORKING ON TO ESTABLISH THE, UM, THE SIDEWALK SLASH THE WIDER SIDEWALKS IN ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN.

SO I HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION WITH SCOTT FOR PROBABLY IT'S PROBABLY BEEN A MONTH OR SO.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, WE, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T FURTHER TO THAT DISCUSSION.

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I HAD FORGOT ABOUT US HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT, UM, I THINK THE POLICY WE HAD THOUGH IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF WHO WAS THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE ON MORE RIGHT OF WAY OUT TO THE MAIN INTERSECTION.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND, UM, UPGRADE THOSE OR WIDEN THOSE SIDEWALKS.

BUT THAT POLICY WE DID.

I MEAN, WE DID PASS THAT LEGISLATION ON.

LET ME THINK.

SO CAN WE JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE I'M YEAH, I MEAN, I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION THEN BY HERE WAS APPROVED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SIZE, BUT WE, AS A GENERAL PUBLIC, I REMEMBER I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT POLICY.

SO DID WE JUST MISS NOT MOVING THAT ON TO ANOTHER TWO MORE LEGISLATION? I REMEMBER THAT I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION JUST TO MAKE SURE.

CAUSE I MEAN, I STILL THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, SO WE'RE NOT IN THAT POSITION WHERE ON THOSE MAIN WALKS ON THE MAIN ROADS, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND HAVING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AFTER THE, AFTER THEY'RE ALREADY PUT IN.

SO, UM, UNLESS MR. LAURA, UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE THE PODIUM AND ADDRESS COUNCIL, A FEW WORDS ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS, WE ARE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.

WE, WE, UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL ADVANCED THIS ITEM TO THE, UH, TO THE BUSINESS MEETING ON MONDAY.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

I, UH, WE USED TO SPIN OUT OF, THIS IS NOT MY STRONG POINT.

I GOT DRAFTED BECAUSE MY PARTNER'S IN CHARLOTTE TODAY.

SO HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH BRIAN FOR THE PAST, CLOSE TO A YEAR.

AND, UH, I'VE BEEN ON QUITE A FEW CALLS AND WORKING WITH THEM, UH, UM, BETTER BEHIND THE SCENES.

SO, UH, GREG GUY, SHOULD'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BRIAN, BRIAN'S BEEN AWESOME.

YOUR TEAM'S BEEN AWESOME TO WORK WITH.

SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE.

WE LOVE THE PARCEL OF LAND WE STARTED WITH, UM, I THINK WITH TOM ON A PIECE TO THE, UH, THE, THE NORTH WEST TO THE NORTH OF IT.

AND IT HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH SOME STREAMS AND CROSSINGS AND, AND, UH, MY PARTNER REALLY WANTED TO BE IN THIS AREA.

HE LOVED THAT.

HE LOVED THE AREA, WAS ABBEY LOVED THE PARCEL WE STARTED WITH, AND I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS PIECE.

AND IT WAS THE PIECE JUST TO THE SOUTH.

AND HE, UH, WE, WE CAME UP WITH THIS PARCEL AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH, UH, THE TEAM AND WE LOVED THE PARCEL.

UM, WE, UH, WE LIKED THE SURROUNDING USES AND, AND, UH, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE, UM, HAVE OUR PROPERTY, UH, UNDERWAY AND PUT A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS OUT THERE AND SOME COMMERCIAL USES.

SO WE, UH, WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE CITY.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I'M TRYING, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET WHAT YOUR NAME WAS DOUG, ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOUG FROM HORIZON LINE OR YES.

MR. WEBB, NOT A QUESTION.

JUST TO COMMENT.

UM, OUR PACKETS ARE NEARLY $30 MILLION INVESTMENT BY YOUR COMPANY ON THIS PARCEL.

JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

APPROXIMATELY WHEN WOULD YOU START DIGGING? LIKE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WOULD ACTION? UM, WE CAN, I MEAN, TYPICALLY ONCE WE HAVE AN APPROVAL, IF WE'RE WORKING NEAR THE END AND THINGS ARE GOING, WE'LL HAVE THE ENGINEERING DONE AND IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, WE CAN START IT PROBABLY AFTER APPROVALS PROBABLY TAKES ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS TO GET WORKING THROUGH THE CITY WITH ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL AND STUFF, I WOULD GUESS.

SO AFTER, AFTER THE FINAL PLAN APPROVALS FROM THE CITY LEVEL, AND IT'S PROBABLY, THERE'D PROBABLY BE THREE TO FOUR, HOPEFULLY NOT ONE OF THEM THAT WANTS TO GET STARTED DEPENDING UPON WHETHER WINTERTIME, OHIO, WINTER.

MY STILL BE 70 DEGREES IN DECEMBER.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.

MR. SHAW.

UM, I KNOW STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED PUTTING THIS, UM, UH, TO THE BUSINESS MEETING ON MONDAY.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO TAKING THIS TO A SECOND TIME? WE HAVE NO OBJECTION, SIR.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE THIS TO A SECOND READING.

UM, I KNOW I HAD, UM, SOME FAMILY OBLIGATIONS THIS WEEKEND.

I KNOW I WENT THROUGH ROUGHLY THE 50 SOMETHING PAGES, UM, AS OVERSIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE ANOTHER REVIEW OF THIS BEFORE WE, UH, UH, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT ON, ON JUST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDED.

SO I HAVE ONE OBJECTION TO MOVING TO MONDAY.

ARE THERE, IS THERE MAJORITY OBJECTION, MOVING TO MONDAY, MR. DOUG, I'D LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER, ANOTHER READING AS WELL.

I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIG DEEP EITHER.

SO WE HAVE TWO OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MOVING TO MONDAY'S MEETING.

ARE THERE ANY MORE MICHIGAN? I HAVE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT MOVING INTO A SECOND READING.

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JAWLINES MAYOR.

I DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION, BUT I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FOR A SECOND READING.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS THE ENTERPRISE, UH, ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT SERVICES, BRIAN.

ANYONE ELSE YOU'VE SAID BEFORE? I WOULD HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM LOOKING AT THIS ON, I DON'T KNOW THE WORK SESSION, SO, SO THAT, SO WE'LL HAVE, UH, WE'LL MOVE THIS TO ONE MORE WORK SESSION.

UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION IN THE PACKET, SO, UH, WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AND WE'LL DISCUSS AGAIN AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING AT THAT POINT FOR, UH, FOR THAT PURPOSE.

[ Enterprise Fleet Management Services]

JUST THE, THE INITIAL COST OF THE VEHICLES OR, UM, THE WAY THAT THE PROGRAM WORKS IS THAT, UM, ENTERPRISE PROVIDES AN ANALYSIS OF EVERY VEHICLE THAT WE WOULD LEASE AND THAT ANALYSIS IS DONE TO MAXIMIZE RESALE VALUE.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES MAINTAIN, UH, QUITE A NUMBER OF, UH, VEHICLES, UM, IN OUR FLEET.

UH, AND CURRENTLY THAT VEHICLE ROUGHLY, OR THAT VEHICLE COUNT A NUMBER OF ROUGHLY ABOUT A HUNDRED, UM, IN THE LIGHT AND MEDIUM DUTY CATEGORY.

UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, IT'S A CHALLENGE THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE IS BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT FLEET IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY, IN A CONSISTENT WAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT POLICE CARS AT, UM, YOU KNOW, $40,000, YOU KNOW, UPON FULLY LOADED, AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, PICKUP TRUCKS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND THE QUANTITY THAT WE HAVE TO BUY SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S THE ONE WE'VE GOT IS STILL RUNNING AND IT'S STILL GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, DOORS THAT WORK THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH TO GET BY.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

SO, UM, IN THE COURSES OF OUR, UM, OF OUR HUNT TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS, UH, WE CAME ACROSS, UH, ENTERPRISE, UH, FLEET MANAGEMENT AND ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT PROVIDES FOR, UM, OPEN-ENDED, UM, COMMERCIAL LEASES, BUSINESS LEASES, IF YOU WILL, FOR MUNICIPALITIES.

UH, AND THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE, UH, UH, VETTED THROUGH, GOSH, DARN I CAN'T THINK OF THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASE THAT WE'RE A PART OF.

UM, BUT, UH, IT'S IN THE PACKET, IT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD PROVIDED.

UM, AND, UH, THROUGH THAT, UM, THROUGH THAT, UH, PRE-QUALIFIED BID, UH, WE WERE INTRODUCED TO MR. JEREMY BALDWIN AND HIS TEAM, AND THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY ALLOW US TO BRING IN REGULARLY SCHEDULED, UH, VEHICLES IN THE LIGHT AND MEDIUM DUTY FLEET AND BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE THOSE IN AND OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UM, IMPROVING OUR ABILITY TO, UM, HAVE AN ADEQUATE FLEET THAT IS IN SERVICE THAT REDUCES OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT REDUCES OUR FUEL CONSUMPTION, UM, AND PUTS IT AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE.

IT'S EASIER TO MAKE MONTHLY PAYMENTS IF YOU WILL, THAN IT IS ON A REGULAR BASIS THAN IT IS TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG BULK PURCHASES, UH, THAT, THAT SOME OF THESE VEHICLES COME WITH, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED FOR THEIR ANALYSIS, UM, WHICH WE REVIEWED WITH THEM, UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO SAVE ROUGHLY $1.1 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

UM, AND THE PACKAGE THAT THEY PROVIDE NOW INCLUDES, UM, POLICE INTERCEPTORS PURSUIT VEHICLES FORMERLY THEY DID NOT.

UM, AND SO, UM, WHAT WAS A GOOD DEAL, I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS NOW AN EVEN BETTER DEAL.

UH, AND SO WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL CONSIDER MOVING THIS LEGISLATION ONTO MONDAY NIGHT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO PUT TOGETHER A NEW UPDATED AND WELL-MAINTAINED FLEET TO KEEP OUR CITY DOING WHAT OUR CITY DOES.

THANK YOU, BRIAN, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.

FROM STRADA.

I REALLY LIKED THE CONCEPT CONSIDERING OUR CITY'S TURNOVER AND VEHICLES.

HAVE WE LOOKED INTO, ARE THERE OPTIONS FOR, UM, HYBRID AND OR ELECTRIC VEHICLES? BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE VEHICLE USAGE WITHIN THE CITY STAYS WITHIN THE CITIES.

BATLOW JUST ABOUT ALL OF IT AND THEY'RE SHORT, QUICK TRIPS.

UM, I'M THINKING WE COULD, AND WITH THE COST OF THOSE VEHICLES COMING DOWN AS THEY HAVE, UM, IS THAT AN OPTION THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO? SO THEY, THAT IS AN OPTION IN ENTERPRISE.

DOES DO, UH, DOES PROVIDE, UM, ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS PART OF THEIR PROGRAM.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO RETURN EQUITY TO THE CITY WHEN WE ARE LEASING NEW VEHICLES, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH ENTERPRISE, SOME OF THE VEHICLES, SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES WOULD NOT NECESSARILY RETURN TO THE CITY, THE EQUITY THAT THAT IS PART OF THIS PLAN.

NOT THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT, NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT BASED ON THE SAVINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING TO SEE THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MATERIALIZED, BUT THERE IS AN OPTION FOR ALTERNATIVE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES AS PART OF THIS OPTION.

WHERE WOULD THAT DIFFERENCE COME IN? OR IS THAT

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SO THAT, UM, THINK OF THAT AS YOU WOULD BUY A VEHICLE TODAY FOR, AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE THE NUMBER UP BECAUSE IT'S EASY, WE'RE GOING TO BUY A VEHICLE FOR $20,000.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LEASE THAT VEHICLE FOR THREE YEARS.

AND WHEN WE SELL THAT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A $5,000 IN EQUITY OFF OF THAT VEHICLE WHEN WE SELL IT BACK TO ENTERPRISE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT TO A THIRD PARTY.

SO THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT GAP, THAT $5,000, AND THEN WE WOULD APPLY THAT AGAINST OUR NEXT LEASE FOR A SIMILAR VEHICLE.

WOULD THAT VEHICLE NOW WENT UP IN PRICE TO FROM 20,000 TO 23,000? SO THE GOAL IS TO USE THE EQUITY AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO PROVIDE THE MOST CONSISTENT PRICE POINT AS WE CONTINUE TO RENEW OVER TIME.

IT'S A VERY FASCINATING CONVERSATION THAT IF YOU'RE NOT CAFFEINATED, WE'LL PUT YOU TO SLEEP QUICKLY.

AND JEREMY TO HIS CREDIT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO THOSE OF US THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLEET MANAGEMENT BUSINESS.

UM, BUT, UH, IT'S A STRONG TOPIC, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT I COULD DESCRIBE HOW THAT PROGRAM IS INTENDED TO WORK AND WHY YOU WOULD STILL SEE A VALUE.

I MEAN, THERE'S STILL A VALUE TO SELL A VEHICLE THAT MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THAT RETURN, THAT EQUITY RETURN TO KEEP THAT LEASE RATE DOWN.

AND IF THAT'S AN EXPENSE WE'RE WILLING TO INCUR TO PROVE A POINT, THEN THAT'S AN EXPENSE WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN CURRENT APPROVED THAT POINT.

AND THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT DO THAT.

YOU JUST KIND OF GOT UP ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT THERE FOR A MINUTE.

I SAW.

SO I JUST, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, CERTAINLY, BUT COME TO THE POINT WHERE I COULDN'T GIVE AUSTRALIA A CHANCE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, BUT CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR, AND I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF CAFFEINE TODAY.

I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULDN'T, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST MAYBE ON SOME OF THE VEHICLES, IF WE CAN FIND, UH, AN AREA WITHIN THE MIX WHERE THOSE WOULD WORK, MAYBE, UM, TO AT LEAST DIP OUR TOE INTO THOSE WATERS AND THEN MAYBE TRY TO GET USED TO USING SOME OF THOSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND GO TRY AND BUY ONE RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE HAD TO GO TO COLUMBUS BECAUSE WE RECENTLY REPLACED ANDY'S VEHICLE.

WE COULDN'T FIND ANY AROUND HERE THAT WE, YEAH.

THAT WOULD WORK THAT STOCKS LOW.

BUT SO, UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SEGUE, JEREMY, FROM MR. MR. ADDIS POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE MARKET LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE WE'RE INVOLVED WITH YOU OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE USING CONVENTIONAL FORD FINANCING.

IN SEEING LIKE HOW MUCH, LIKE WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR FLEET OF VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY ARE POLICE FIRE RELATED VERSUS HOW MANY ARE LIKE OUR ZONING GUYS DRIVING AROUND VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE CAR THAT, YOU KNOW SCOTT HAS? OR IS IT YOUR DISPOSAL OR PUBLIC WORKS? IF SOMEONE JUST THE OTHER STUFF AGAIN, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TOTING AROUND TOWN.

SO TO ADJUST THE GREEN VEHICLES ON AVERAGE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A SEDAN GREEN SEDAN, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU ABOUT $2,000 MORE ANNUALLY TO RUN A SEDAN.

THAT'S, UH, LIKE A HYBRID, UH, REASON BEING IS THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE AND THEIR RESALE VALUE IS NOT AS GOOD.

THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST TECHNOLOGY.

SO A FIVE-YEAR-OLD FIVE-YEAR-OLD NISSAN LEAF IS ONLY GETTING 50 MILES ON A CHARGE AND A BRAND NEW ONE'S GETTING 150.

SO THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE TO THE GREEN INITIATIVE IS THAT TECHNOLOGY TODAY IS GOOD.

NOW, ULTIMATELY, IT'S YOUR DECISION, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO, WE WOULD KNOCK ON TO TELL YOU OUR JOB IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE ULTIMATE COST.

SO WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GREEN INITIATIVE IS YOU TAKE YOUR TEN-YEAR-OLD DODD OR CHARGE, OR A POLICE INTERCEPTOR.

THAT'S GETTING 10 MILES PER GALLON.

AND YOU JUST, INSTEAD OF HAND ME DOWN, YOU TAKE THAT VEHICLE AND YOU GIVE THEM A BRAND NEW CHEVY MALIBU.

THAT'S GETTING 33 MILES PER GALLON.

THAT TRIPLE IS YOUR FUEL ECONOMY.

THAT'S YOUR INITIAL GREEN INITIATIVE.

SO WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT WITH PEOPLE IS WITH OUR CUSTOMERS IS FIND THE VEHICLES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ADD GREEN INITIATIVES FOR THE PUBLIC OPINION? CAUSE THAT IS LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GOING.

BUT THE QUICKEST WAY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE GREEN INITIATIVE IS TO GET RID OF THOSE OLD ONES THAT ARE KILLING YOU IN FUEL ECONOMY AND GET BRAND NEW ONES THAT ARE DOUBLING AND TRIPLING YOUR FUEL ECONOMY.

SO THAT'S THE REAL GREEN INITIATIVE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE IMAGE PIECE, UM, AS FAR AS GOING TO HYBRIDS, PLUG-IN HYBRIDS, TESLAS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WE CAN DO THE ISSUE IS JUST, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH VEHICLES OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, AS YOU GUYS ARE WEARING AND JUST UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE ABLE TO BE MORE PROACTIVE FOR YOU.

IT'S JUST, WHAT'S AVAILABLE NOW TO GET THIS STARTED AND WHERE DO VEHICLES MAKE SENSE? OKAY.

AND, AND I CERTAINLY, IF, IF SHE FLIES NURSE LISTENING, I WOULDN'T DREAM OF PUTTING THE GUYS IN A HYBRID VEHICLE TO RUN AROUND TOWN.

BUT I THINK IF SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES THAT WE USE, THE PURE HYBRIDS INSTEAD OF A PLUGIN, CAUSE I AGREE THERE, THEIR BATTERY TECHNOLOGY IS GETTING WAY BETTER.

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SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT MIX OF VEHICLES LOOK LIKE.

SO IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE LOOKING AT FROM A TOTAL VEHICLE SIDE OF OUR, LET'S JUST CALL HER THE DOMESTIC ONES VERSUS THE EMS CARS.

THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE FLEET.

THAT'S THE LIKE, UH, IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE REALLY TWO FLEETS, YOUR WHITE FLEET, WHICH IS NON-EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND YOUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE FLEET.

SO TWO SEPARATE ANIMALS TO SEPARATE USAGE, ALL THE OUTFIT AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THEM VERSUS EVERYONE ELSE.

SO WE, WE LOOK AT EACH VEHICLE, HOLD ON HOW IT'S USED AND BASE OF PROGRAM BASED ON EACH INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE.

AND I WOULDN'T, I, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA IN TERMS OF JUST WHAT WE, UM, IT, MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GOT IT, WE GOT IT.

I THINK WE PUT OUR FOOT IN THE DOOR AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND START LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN BECOME MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND MORE FUEL EFFICIENT, KNOWING THAT KIND OF CARS ARE GOING THAT WAY.

DOESN'T MEAN WE GOT TO JUMP IN AND GET EVERY SINGLE CAR ON THAT.

WHAT'D YOU CALL THAT THE WHITE SIDE OF THE FLEET TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A POTENTIAL START.

AND WE KNOW WE HAVE CHARGING STATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLED THROUGH, UH, SOME OTHER GRANT FUNDING AND THINGS THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

SO I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO AT LEAST START THAT PROCESS.

AND MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE WE START WITH ONE AND THEN WE GO COUPLE MORE CARS NEXT YEAR AS WE START INTRODUCING AND THE FLEET AS THE TECHNOLOGY GETS BETTER.

SO AT LEAST KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.

UM, ONE OF THE DRAWBACKS OF, OF GETTING THERE IS THAT, UM, THE WHOLE INDUSTRY ITSELF ISN'T REALLY GONNA TAKE OFF UNTIL THEY HAVE QUICK CHARGING STATIONS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT ONE OF OUR VEHICLES OUT AND ONE OF THOSE CHARGING STATIONS AND HAVE IT SIT THERE FOR EIGHT HOURS OR SOMETHING WAITING FOR IT TO CHARGE.

AND, UM, AND SO, YEAH, IT'S GOOD.

BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING RIGHT NOW IS WE JUST WANT TO BUY A MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLE.

BUT MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE A COST BENEFIT BREAKDOWN OR ANALYSIS THAT BREAKS DOWN INTO CATEGORIES, UH, HOW THEY ARRIVED AT, UM, THEIR COST SAVINGS? SO JEREMY COULD TALK TO THE ANALYSIS THAT HE'S PREPARED, BUT IT'S BASED ON STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, BUT MORE SPECIFIC DETERMINATIONS WOULD BE MADE AFTER THE CONTRACT WERE EXECUTED.

AND THEN STAFF MET WITH THE ENTERPRISE REPRESENTATIVES TO DETERMINE WHAT THE MOST APPROPRIATE VEHICLES WERE.

SO, UM, AND WHAT THE TENURE OF THE, OF THE, OR NOT THE TENURE, BUT WHAT THE TERMS OF THOSE LEASES MIGHT BE.

SO, UM, I CAN LET JEREMY TALK JUST VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW HE PREPARED THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT LED US TO THE, UH, UH, THE 1.1 MILLION ESTIMATED SAVINGS AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK AS WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE ACTUAL ACQUISITION PROCESS.

SO JEREMY, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS MS. BURGESS QUESTION.

SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, BRIAN AND THE TEAM, MIKE AND SCOTT OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS OR SO, AND COLLECTING THE DATA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON YOUR FLEET.

AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST COMPARING, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SPENDING TODAY AND THEN BREAKING IT OFF OVER 10 YEARS, COMPARING AS WE'RE GOING TO START REPLACING VEHICLES, STARTING WITH THE WORST OF THE WORST, THE ONES THAT ARE 10 YEARS OLD OR OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES AND SOLELY WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE FLEET OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

AND THEN WE SHOW YOU A TEN-YEAR PERIOD BECAUSE WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT'S THE LONGTERM SUSTAINABLE.

SO, BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SPENDING A LITTLE OVER, I THINK A HUNDRED BUCKS A MONTH IN MAINTENANCE, ON AVERAGE, ACROSS YOUR FLEET.

ONCE YOU GO TO A BRAND NEW VEHICLE, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND AROUND $30 A MONTH IN MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S EVERYTHING INCLUDED.

SO BECAUSE YOU'RE LIVING IN A PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE WORLD RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF HIGHER TICKET MAINTENANCE.

THE GOAL OF, OF OUR PLAN WITH YOU IS TO GET YOU TO THE RENTAL CAR MODEL.

IF YOU'VE EVER RENTED A CAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITHIN TWO YEARS OLD OR ON HUNDRED UNDER 40,000 MILES, YOU'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING.

YOU GUYS, AS A CITY ON AVERAGE DRIVE ABOUT SIX, 7,000 MILES A YEAR, YOU RUN THAT VEHICLE FIVE YEARS TO, YOU KNOW, 40,000 MILES.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN DOING BRAKES, YOU'RE NOT EVEN DOING A SET OF TIRES.

SO YOUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSE JUST GOES DOWN TO TWO OIL CHANGES AND A TIRE ROTATION A YEAR, PRETTY MINIMAL BECAUSE YOU'RE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY AND YOU BUY SO WELL.

YOU CAN RUN THIS VEHICLE FOR A FEW YEARS, ONE TO FIVE YEARS AND SELL IT FOR A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT YOU PAID FOR THE VEHICLE.

IN SOME CASES, YOU CAN SELL IT FOR MORE THAN WHAT YOU PAID FOR THE VEHICLE BECAUSE OF HOW WELL YOU BUY.

FOR INSTANCE, CITY OF SHARON, BILL'S A CUSTOMER OF OURS, OF MINE.

WE BROUGHT THEM ON THAT.

WE PARTNERED EIGHT YEARS OR TWO YEARS AGO, WE GOT THE NINE COST COSTUME, $33,000, TWO YEARS AGO, WE JUST SOLD ALL NINE FOR $45,000 A PIECE.

SO THEY MADE $12,000

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PER VEHICLE.

AND THEY USED THEM FOR TWO YEARS.

NOW.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT HAPPENS EVERY TIME, BUT THAT'S THE ENTERPRISE RENT-A-CAR MODEL.

THAT'S WHAT YOU DO BUY AS LOW AS YOU CAN RUN IT FOR THE RIGHT LIFECYCLE AND MAKE RUNNING AS CHEAP AND SELL IT FOR AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.

AND YOU GUYS GET THE PIGGYBACK OFF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ON HOW WE MANAGE OUR 1.6 MILLION VEHICLES.

SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT EACH VEHICLE INDIVIDUALLY, HOW IS IT BEING USED AND WHAT IS ITS INDIVIDUAL LIFE CYCLE GOING TO BE? AND IT'S A CONTINUAL MOVING TARGET.

SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE MEET WITH BRIAN AND HIS TEAM TWO TO THREE TIMES OUT OF THE YEAR TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS THE EXACT PLAN THAT STILL WORKS.

WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR CITY, YOUR BUDGET, IS IT THE RIGHT PLAN? DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT PLAN? AND BECAUSE IT'S FLEXIBLE, YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THE VEHICLE AT ANY TIME, UH, WE CAN WORK ON THE FLY FOR COVID 22 OR SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS, WHATEVER, JUST REAL QUICK, AS PART OF THAT $1.1 MILLION KIND OF ESTIMATE YOU'RE CALCULATING IN SOME OF THOSE PROFITS ON THE RESALES ON THE BACK END, THAT MODEL COMES FROM.

SO, SO IT GOES WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TODAY AND THEN, UH, FACTORS IN THE RE THE EQUITY ON YOUR EXISTING FLEET AS YOU SELL THOSE.

AND WE, WE, WE USED, UH, BLACK BOOK, WHOLESALE, ROUGH CONDITION NUMBERS ON YOUR RESALE.

AND THEN AS YOU'RE SELLING ENTERPRISE VEHICLES, THAT EQUITY COMES BACK TO YOU AND GETS FACTORED INTO IT.

THEN YOU ALSO, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE FUEL REDUCTION BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM AN, OUR ANALYSIS.

WE USE 10 MILES PER GALLON, AND WE WENT TO 13, WHICH THAT'S VERY LOW, BUT SHOULD FUEL JUMP TO $5, WHATEVER, BUT WE DO A SMALL, MINIMAL INCREASE IN FUEL, BUT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE CONSERVATIVE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT MAINTENANCE DECREASE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING MUCH, MUCH IN MAINTENANCE ANYMORE.

JUST THOSE TWO OIL CHANGES AND A TIRE ROTATION A YEAR.

SO YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT TRACKING THAT OPERATIONAL BUDGET AND HELPING FIX YOUR COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO ALL OF THAT FACTORED IN PROVIDES THAT LONGTERM SAFETY.

WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, WE KNOW WE SEE THE LEGISLATION THAT COMES BY ALL THE TIME ABOUT PURCHASING VEHICLES AND WE SEE THAT COSTS, BUT WE NEVER REALLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE BACK END ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON THE MAINTENANCE.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT'S IN THERE, WE KNOW THERE'S A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.

WE KNOW WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT STUFF, BUT WE DON'T REALLY BREAK ALL THAT DOWN.

WE REALLY TALK ABOUT, IT'S NOT REALLY SEXY TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR AN OIL CHANGE, EVERY TIRE ROTATIONS ON STUFF.

SO WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO THAT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SEE WHERE THE OPERATIONAL COSTS ON THE BACKSIDE, OUTSIDE OF JUST THE PURCHASE PRICE REALLY WOULD START TO COME DOWN.

UM, HOW FAR BACK DID YOU GO IN, IN ANALYZING THE RESALE VALUE ON THESE? BECAUSE THERE'S NO BETTER TIME THAN RIGHT NOW TO SELL A USED VEHICLE.

YEAH, SO, SO WHEN WE BUILT THIS ANALYSIS BACK IN APRIL, I WAS JUST FORECASTED OFF OF, SO WE USE APRIL'S RESALE NUMBERS AND THEN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE JUST REDUCED IT BY 10% EACH YEAR.

SO WE FORECAST THAT A LOSS IN RESALE OVER TIME, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THIS RESALE MARKET BEING STRONG UNTIL 2024.

SO WE'RE THOSE RESALE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE PUT IN THE ANALYSIS WILL, SHOULD BE BETTER DEPENDING ON HOW, WHAT KIND OF CONDITION YOU TURN THEM IN.

THEY SHOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE, UH, POSTED ON THERE.

UH, JUST CAUSE THE MARKET'S GOING TO STAY STRONG.

THERE'S NO MILEAGE RESTRICTIONS.

MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THIS IS AN OPEN-ENDED MASTER LEASE.

SO, UM, ARE WE GOING TO GET LIKE ANNUAL, UH, COST SAVINGS REPORTS OR CORRECT.

SO THAT'S, SO MOLLY, MOLLY IS YOUR CLIENT STRATEGY MANAGER.

SO WE WORK WITH OVER 70 GOVERNMENT ENTITIES IN OHIO OVER A THOUSAND.

SO MOLLY IS ONE OF OUR CLIENTS STRATEGY MANAGER.

SHE WORKS WITH BEAVER CREEK, MIAMISBURG, LICKING COUNTY, AND A FEW OTHERS.

SO SHE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD DO WHAT'S CALLED AN ANNUAL CLIENT REVIEW.

AND LOOK AT YEAR OVER YEAR SPEND HERE'S WHERE COSTS WENT UP, COSTS WENT DOWN.

HERE'S AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY.

HERE'S WE SHOULD TURN THESE VEHICLES IN EARLIER THAN WHAT WE INITIALLY STARTED, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S GOING ON.

WE NEED TO RUN THESE A LITTLE LONGER BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN-ENDED LEASE, WHICH IT'S NOT A DEALERSHIP.

THERE'S NOWHERE IN TERROR PENALTIES, YOU HAVE FULL OWNERSHIP RIGHTS TO THE VEHICLE.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY FLEXIBLE.

YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THEM AT ANY TIME.

SO WE, WE PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRACKING, WHAT ARE THOSE COSTS AND HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER SAVINGS.

BUT ONCE IF WE CHOOSE TO GET OUT OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO PAY A FORTUNE FOR A NEW FLEET.

WELL, SO, SO YES, LET'S SAY THAT TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD MOLLY'S FAILED AT HER JOB.

WE'LL THROW HER UNDER THE BUS.

SHE'S RIGHT THERE.

A STOPPING A PARTNERSHIP WITH ENTERPRISE JUST SAYS, YOU DON'T GET ANY VEHICLES FROM US ANYMORE.

UH, NOW LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY IT JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE NOT ON THE HOOK FOR ANYTHING.

SO AT THE POINT, SO HOW THE VEHICLES WORK IS IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO TURN IN THE VEHICLES, WE'LL SELL THEM FOR YOU.

WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THAT MONEY BACK.

IF YOU WANT TO BUY OUT THAT VEHICLE, YOU CAN JUST BUY IT OUT FOR WHERE YOU'VE PAID IT DOWN TO.

IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE FINANCING IT TO ZERO, YOU CAN FINANCE IT TO ZERO.

SO IT'S COMPLETELY FLEXIBLE.

YOU HAVE ALL OWNERSHIP RIGHTS, JUST

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THAT'S IT? THERE'S NO A LONG-TERM CELL PHONE CONTRACT OR ANYTHING.

EACH VEHICLES, ITS OWN CONTRACT.

AND THAT'S HOW IT'S STRUCTURED.

UM, SO THE ONLY THING YOU'RE ON THE HOOK FOR IS WHERE YOU PAID IT DOWN TO WHAT IT SELLS FOR IN THE MARKET ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'RE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY AND YOUR INCENTIVES ARE FANTASTIC COMPARED TO ANYBODY ELSE.

YOU GUYS ARE GENERALLY A WITHIN SIX MONTHS, UH, PICKUP TRUCKS.

YOU COULD BUY THEM TODAY AND SELL THEM AND MAKE OODLES OF MONEY, WHICH WE ALL WOULD IF WE COULD, BUT WE CAN'T JUST CAUSE YOUR BUYING POWER SO GOOD.

YOU GET $9,000 OFF ON A PICKUP TRUCK.

SO IT'S EATS THAT FIRST YEAR DEPRECIATION.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS HAS BEEN GREAT CONVERSATION.

NO MA'AM OH, GO AHEAD.

UM, JEREMY, I THINK IT'S SO MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION, UM, AS YOU HAD STATED, UM, I BELIEVE THE ONLY, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY PARTNERSHIP THAT WAS MENTIONED IN OUR, UM, UH, INFORMATION HERE WAS THE CITY OF MIAMISBURG, CORRECT? UM, I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS.

WHY IS THAT? UH, IT'S WHO WANTS TO MEET WITH ME? UM, OKAY.

GOVERNMENT IS SLOW MOVING, UH, AND AS YOU GUYS ARE, NO ONE WANTS TO BE THE FIRST.

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GOVERNMENT FOR 10 YEARS AND ACTUALLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT'S REALLY KIND OF SPED UP IN THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GAINING INTEREST IN LOOKING AT IT.

UH, CITY OF FAIRBORN ACTUALLY JUST GAVE US THE THUMBS UP LAST NIGHT AT COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ONE, UH, BEAVER CREEK TOWNSHIP WITH ANOTHER GREEN COUNTY ART, UH, WORKING OUR WAY HERE, TRYING TO GET OTHER KNOCKING ON PEOPLE'S DOORS.

NO, ONE'S LIKE, LIKE BRIAN SAID, IT'S NOT ALWAYS SEXY BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO, OH, HEY, FLEET MANAGEMENT, LET'S GO, UH, COME OUT AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SO THEN HE TAKES THAT CALL AND SAYS, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY SOME CARS? BRIAN? I WAS LIED TO SOME CARS WHO FORWARDED TO ME THIS PHONE CALL.

OH, JEREMY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND.

I KNOW.

I JUST TOLD HE'S NOT CALLING.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

UM, I, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE THIS AMAZING PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE SAVING, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DOLLARS, WHY AREN'T MORE PEOPLE DOING IT.

BUT HE'S ASKING EVERYBODY, I'M ASKING EVERYBODY TO TRUTHFULLY, UM, IT THERE'S, THERE'S SKEPTICISM ON EVERYTHING SOMETIMES IF IT'S LIKE ANYTHING IT'S SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

LET ME WAIT AND SEE, UH, PEOPLE JUST AREN'T READY FOR IT.

UM, MIGHT PEOPLE MIGHT BE RETIRED IN PLACE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANY WORK UNTIL THEY'RE 10 YEARS COMING, COMING OUT.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I WISH I HAD THAT ANSWER BECAUSE MY JOB IS TO GO OUT AND START NEW PARTNERSHIPS.

SO I WOULD MAKE MY LIFE EASIER IF I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WHEN PEOPLE ARE READY TO READY TO MEET, GENERALLY, I DON'T GET A NO ONCE WE MEET WITH THEM, THEY'RE JUST GOTTA BE WILLING TO WANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A HALF HOUR CONVERSATION WITH ME.

MY, UH, MY SECOND CONVERSATION, UM, IS IN THE, UH, READ AHEAD INFORMATION, UH, WHERE SUPPLIES THE FLEET COST.

UM, IT DOES, UH, REVIEW, UH, FUEL COSTS, WHICH IS, UM, UH, SEEMS TO BE THE SECOND, ALMOST THE SECOND HIGHEST OUTSIDE OF THE PURCHASE PRICE.

WE'D RATHER SHOW YOU A WORST CASE SCENARIO IN FUEL SAVINGS.

WITH THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION OF EBV VEHICLES, UM, MY MIND WOULD SAY, WELL, THAT WOULD CHANGE THOSE FINGERS DRAMATICALLY.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF YOUR CURRENT CLIENTELE RIGHT NOW THAT HAS EVIE FLEETS, UM, THAT, UH, YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY OF THOSE? UM, I, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON AS FAR AS GOVERNMENT ENTITIES DOING EVS OR HYBRIDS, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT TOO MANY THAT ARE DOING ON JUST YET.

TRUTHFULLY, UH, IT'S COME UP MORE IN THE LAST 12, 14 MONTHS THAN IT HAS BEFORE.

UM, I KNOW TESLA CITY OF LOGAN, WE'RE DOING TWO TESLA POLICE CRUISERS FOR THEM.

UH, SO WE'RE USING WHERE WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT PATH USING CITY OF MARGARETVILLE INDIANA'S FUEL DATA.

THEY HAVE FIVE POLICE CRUISER TESLAS IN THEIR FLEET.

SO WE WORKED WITH TESLA TO GET THAT DATA AND THAT'S GOING TO SAVE THEM JUST IN FUEL ON A CONSERVATIVE SIDE, $1,500 A MONTH IN FUEL ON OUR ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

WE ONLY, WE USE THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY USING 10, UH, MILES PER GALLON.

AND WE WENT TO 13 MILES PER GALLON.

SO YOUR FUEL SAVINGS WILL BE DRAMATICALLY HIGHER FOR ANY VEHICLE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO ON AN AVERAGE FROM 10 TO PROBABLY ABOUT 20, BUT WE ARE A CONSERVATIVE COMPANY ON THE ANALYSIS.

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DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. SHAW? UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, NOT IN PART, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW HERE LOCALLY, UM, JUST TO THE CITY OF DAYTON AND ST.

CLAIR COMMUNITY COLLEGE HAS TRANSITIONED SOME OF THEIR FLEET INTO EVIE VEHICLES AND THEY'VE SEEN A DRAMATIC COST SAVINGS.

UM, WITH THAT, IT'S JUST IN ORDER FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW, AND I'M NOT REALLY SEEING ANYBODY GO, NO, WE NEED TO KEEP BUYING VEHICLES.

WELL, YEAH.

SO IF WE GO TO, IF YOU GO TO EVS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE COSTS OUTSIDE OF TIRES, WIPERS, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO.

UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE FUEL FUEL SAVINGS BECAUSE THERE'S NO FUEL.

NOW IT COSTS YOU ABOUT $3 AND ENERGY TO DO A FILL UP FOR ABOUT 300 MILES ON A TESLA MODEL MODEL.

Y SO JUST TO GIVE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU WANT A PRIUS HYBRID FOR EIGHT HOURS IN THE HOT SUN, FULL BLASTS ON AIR CONDITIONING, YOU WILL ONLY USE THREE QUARTERS OF A GALLON OF GAS OVER THAT EIGHT HOUR PERIOD, UH, VERSUS A STANDARD GASOLINE ENGINE ON IDOL WILL BURN ONE GALLON PER HOUR.

SO YOU WILL SEE SAVINGS THERE.

AS FAR AS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COST ANALYSIS, WHAT IS A HYBRID COST PER MILE VERSUS A STANDARD SEDAN? IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, WE, WE WE'LL DO THAT ONCE WE START LOOKING INTO MODEL YEAR 2022 AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND DO THAT SIDE BY SIDE WHEN I WAS DOING THIS FOR, UM, FAIRBORN BASED OFF MODEL 21, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, THE RAF FOR COST ABOUT $1,900 MORE ANNUALLY.

UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE UPFRONT COST OF THE VEHICLE IS FOR THE RAV4 HYBRID.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST PIECE IS THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEIR NON OR THERE'S ICE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE COUNTERPARTS.

SO DOES IT ENTERPRISE HAVE ANY, UM, PROPRIETARY CONTRACTS WITH, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UM, UH, DEALERSHIPS? NO, WE ARE NOT TIED TO ANY MANUFACTURER.

WE CAN USE IT ANY MAKE AND MODEL VEHICLE.

OUR JOB IS TO COME OUT AND SHOW YOU.

YOU WANT ANY DIVE, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE BEST OF EACH CATEGORY VEHICLE.

WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE COST IS EVERY MODEL YEAR, AND IT'S YOUR DECISION TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE YOU WANT.

SO LIKE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A HYBRID SEDAN, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT PRIUS, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE IONIC.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE, UH, CHEVY BOLT.

IF YOU WANT TO GO ELECTRIC, SUV'S, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING.

AND MID-SIZE SUV.

WE'LL DO THE SAME THING.

THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OF THE MID SIDES THAT SHOULD BE, UM, ROUTE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW YOU EACH ONE.

AND YOU GUYS MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHICH VEHICLE YOU WANT TO GO WITH.

TONGUE IN CHEEK, WE CAN LOOK INTO THE NEW HUMMER.

THEY BROUGHT THEIR BETA TEST MODEL HERE TO HEBREW, UH, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO MAYBE WE'LL GET THE .

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD TURN THAT ONE DOWN CHARGE ON YOUR HOUSE, RIDING OUT VEHICLES, COME ON CHIEF, COME ON.

UM, MAYOR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE THE DATA THAT, UM, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER ON, UM, OUR CURRENT FLEET.

I BELIEVE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

UM, AND, UH, I, I, JEREMY I DO CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND, AND INFORMATION.

UM, I I'VE WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH CLEAN FUELS.

OHIO'S, I'M AN AMBASSADOR FOR THEM AS WELL AS DRIVE ELECTRIC DAYTON.

UM, EVN HYBRID VEHICLES.

I DON'T EVEN OWN ONE, BUT I SUPPORT THE ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, TRUST ME, I GET A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING AROUND, NOT ONLY WITH THE QUICK CHARGING STATIONS, THE, UM, UH, I MEAN, EVEN ON THE WEST COAST, THE HYDROGEN BATTERY CELL TECHNOLOGY IS COMING.

UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO BE MORE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE WITH THAT.

UM, SEVERAL COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UM, HAVE, HAVE WENT INTO A FLEET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE AND I'VE SAVED A BOATLOAD OF MONEY, UM, TO THE, TO THE TUNE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO REINVEST THOSE DOLLARS INTO MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, UM, AND HAD BEEN ABLE TO SHOW THOSE SAVINGS.

SO THAT'S WHY I'VE ASKED THE MAYOR HERE TODAY TO, TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS SO WE CAN PUT THOSE IN CONTRAST AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FROM YOU ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH, SO CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE ADVANCEMENT OF, OF WHERE WE GO HERE CLEARLY IS AT THIS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BUT I THINK MY OPINION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING TOWARD, UM, UH, FLEET SERVICE BASED ON SOME OF THE SAVINGS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOUR JOB, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED HERE ALONG WITH OUR STAFF AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS.

I THINK THAT'S A SUPER IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS AS WELL.

SO I LIKED THE IDEA OF, OF MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

BUT I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WHAT IS THE APPETITE FOR, UM, THIS COUNCIL TO LOOK AT? BECAUSE I DO THINK FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS MORE OF A, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A POINT.

WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO BE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WITH OUR VEHICLES, STILL BEING ABLE TO SEE SOME COST SAVINGS,

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SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE IN THAT POSITION, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS MORE DETAILED FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR WHITE SIDE FLEET AND HOW CAN WE, UM, INTRODUCE MAYBE THE, THE VEHICLE SIDE OF THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS GOING TO BE.

SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE ON THE, ON THE LONG RUN, MAYBE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, THAT'S NOT A $1.1 MILLION SAVINGS, BUT WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE, MAYBE IT'S A $700,000 SAVINGS AND IS THAT 400,000 BUCKS WORTH OF SAVINGS? IS THAT WORTH US TAKING A STEP TOWARDS ED VEHICLES? AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL NEED TO HAVE AS, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL.

BUT I CERTAINLY LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HEADED FROM THIS DISCUSSION.

MR. WEBB, THANK YOU.

MA'AM BRIAN, THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOU CURRENTLY NEW VEHICLES.

UM, NEW VEHICLE PURCHASES ARE ALIGNED THAT ARE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL USUALLY, UH, PASSED BY COUNCIL.

HOW DO YOU SEE THAT CHANGING SCREEN OR IN YOUR AGREEMENT WITH US? WELL, EACH NEW VEHICLE STILL BEING BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.

UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DIFF I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT I WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT SINCE WE WOULD BE BUYING, EVEN IF WE'RE LEASING IN BULK, THE, THE FACT THAT THE CUMULATIVE LEASES WOULD EXCEED IN VALUE THE THRESHOLD.

I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY REASON TO DOUBT THAT YOU WOULD SEE SOME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION AND AUTHORIZE SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT BECAUSE AS, AS JEREMY INDICATED, EACH VEHICLE IS ITS OWN INDEPENDENT CONTRACT, IT'S ITS OWN INDEPENDENT LEASE.

AND WHILE OUR VALUE, OUR REALIZED COSTS FOR THAT LEASE MIGHT BE LESS THAN THE THRESHOLD.

THE VALUE OF THE VEHICLE IS GOING TO EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD.

SO, UM, I DIDN'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL AND I DID NOT STAY AT A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS LAST NIGHT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT, BUT, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT BACK BEFORE YOU, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S AN INTEREST FROM COUNCIL TO BEGIN DEVELOPING A MORE, UM, FOCUSED VIEW ON INCORPORATING IE VEHICLES INTO FLEET.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, BY THE WAY, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE NOTICED, OR THIS IS DATA THAT WE'VE TRACKED.

AND WE THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO INTRODUCE AN E VEHICLE INTO THE FLEET.

WHEN WE CYCLE OUT IN ZONING CARS IN 2025 OR WHATEVER THE MAGIC NUMBER MIGHT BE BASED ON, ON OUR ARRANGEMENT.

SO LONG ANSWER SHORT.

YOU WOULD SEE THESE AS THEY WOULD COME.

SO THE ANSWER PROBABLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, THE FINAL PRESENTATION REPORT ON JUST TO MAKE SURE, UM, CAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR COUNCILS WHO THOSE PURCHASES COME ACROSS THE DESK.

THAT CHANGE OR AMENDED FOR THE LEGISLATION? THANK YOU, JERRY.

I DID GO TO LAW SCHOOL AND I DIDN'T GO TO HOLIDAY, BUT THE WAY THE LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN, IT WAS TO APPROVE THE LEASE AND THE SCHEDULES BECAUSE THE SCHEDULE IS THIS, THEY COME.

SO IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY CONTEMPLATED IN THE LEGISLATION THAT AS EACH NEW VEHICLE COMES, YOU WILL APPROVE THAT VEHICLE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT.

WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT THE WAY THE LEGISLATION READS IS THAT WE APPROVE THE OPEN-ENDED LEAST MANAGERS, CITY MANAGER CAN SIGN THAT AND ANY RELATED VEHICLES SCHEDULES.

SO WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE THE LEAST DIDN'T CONTAIN ANY, ALL THE SCHEDULES ARE WHAT CONTAINS ALL THE INFORMATION.

AND SO WE WERE AUTHORIZING HIM TO DO THOSE, UM, AS THEY COME THROUGH.

BUT I CAN SEE NOW WHY YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE THAT.

BUT YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT JUST BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES, AS WE'RE INTRODUCING THEM FOR CHANGING THE FLEETS OUT NOW, I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR, FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE CARS, EACH CAR HAS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS.

I THINK, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

AND MAYBE WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL IN BULK IN THE BEGINNING, AND THEN ARE WE LOW OR IS THIS WHERE WE'RE GOING, GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OUT THE WHOLE, ALL THE FLEET ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

I MEAN, IS THAT THERE'S A, A SCHEDULED ROTATION.

UM, AND THERE'S ONE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.

SO WE COULD, UM, IF IT PLEASES THE COUNCIL, UM, WE CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEGISLATION TONIGHT TO REFLECT THAT THE, UM, THE SUBLEASES PER VEHICLE ARE NOT PREAUTHORIZED.

SO THAT WOULD THEN COMPEL THOSE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT UPDATE TO THE BUSINESS MEETING PACKET, WE COULD THEN INCLUDE WHAT IS THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED ROTATION SCHEDULE.

SO IT'S NOT ALL 100 VEHICLES, UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO GUESS WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S PHASED IN OVER THREE YEARS, I THINK, OR FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SEE? I'LL JUST, OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO HAVING

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THAT THAT'S A RELATIVELY EASY FIX.

I CAN GET THAT TO TONY SO THAT IT CAN BE READY ONE DAY OR WHENEVER WE NEED IT.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF SIMPLE, UM, SO THERE'S NOT A MILEAGE LIMIT.

NO.

SO EVERYTHING'S BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE CURRENTLY DOING AND WHAT THE VEHICLES ARE CURRENTLY DOING.

SO IF WE DO POLICE CRUISERS, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON A SEPARATE MILEAGE PATTERN BECAUSE THEY DRIVE PROBABLY AROUND 20 TO 30,000 MILES A YEAR, VERSUS YOUR STANDARD PICKUP TRUCKS DRIVING AROUND SEVEN TO 8,000 MILES A YEAR.

WHAT ABOUT DAMAGE? LIKE WHEN I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHEN I TURN IN MY LEASED VEHICLE, WHAT WE HAVE TO ALL THOSE FINE DETAILS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER.

SO WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE? YEAH.

SO WHEN THESE VEHICLES COME BACK, UH, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CRACKED WINDSHIELDS.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DENTS AND DINGS HOLES IN THE SEAT STAINS ON THE SEAT.

UH, WE WHOLESALE THESE TO LOCAL DEALERSHIPS, BUY HERE, PAY HERE, LOTS, ALL THE PLACES AROUND HERE.

UH, SO THEY'RE BUYING WHOLESALE SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BE RETAIL READY.

UH, REASON BEING IS THAT WE CAN SELL THEM A LOT FASTER, STILL GET A TON OF MONEY FOR YOU GUYS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIX THEM UP.

UH, BUT IF WE GO DOWN THE PATH OF BODY DAMAGE, THAT WOULD JUST FALL UNDER YOUR NORMAL INSURANCE, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STRIKES.

YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH.

SO IF YOU HIT A DEER AND YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THROUGH AND USE YOUR INSURANCE PLAN PROGRAM TO FIX THE VEHICLE, IF YOU WANT TO.

AND SO THE MAINTENANCE, SO YOU WOULD GIVE US A VEHICLE OR WE HAVE, DO WE STILL DO OUR OWN MAINTENANCE IN HOUSE OR YOU GUYS WOULD DO THE FLEET MAINTENANCE ALSO CONTRACT.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO OUTSOURCE MAINTENANCE IF YOU GUYS SO CHOOSE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE PLAN IS TO KEEP IT IN-HOUSE FOR A LITTLE BIT, UH, SHOULD SOMEONE RETIRE AND GO THAT ROUTE, YOU NEED TO OUTSOURCE IT VERSUS WHATEVER YOUR INTERNAL CHARTER SAYS.

WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO USE LOCAL SHOPS.

CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE JUST DOING OIL CHANGES AND TIRE ROTATION.

SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY MECHANICS YOU HAVE, HOW MUCH OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, WHAT THEIR PRIORITY IS TO WORK ON, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO OUTSOURCE OIL CHANGES FOR YOUR SEDANS AND STUFF, VERSUS THEM WORKING ON OTHER THINGS.

WE'VE GOT A COMPANY THAT WILL CHANGE FACILITIES IS GIVING ME TO OPEN UP.

YEAH, I HEARD THEY'RE COMING.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT GAP INSURANCE? LIKE WE SAY, WE BUY IT FOR $20,000 AND IT DEPRECIATES FASTER BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A DEER STRIKE.

WHAT DO WE HAVE TO GET GAP INSURANCE PROTECTION THAT THAT'S ON YOU GUYS AND YOUR INSURANCE.

SO, YEAH.

SO IT'S IT.

THE WHOLE OWNERSHIP IS LIKE NOTHING CHANGES INTERNALLY.

WE'RE JUST COORDINATING AND HANDLING ALL LOGISTICS AND EVERYTHING FOR YOU.

SO ALL UPFIT, ALL LETTERING, ALL, EVERYTHING IS YOURS.

AND THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW DO WE KNOW MARK? THESE CARS IS OURS.

WE GET THE DOOR MAGNETS.

CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE DECALS ON THEM OR IT'S WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.

SO WE COORDINATE WITH EACH WEEK.

AGAIN, WE LOOK AT EACH VEHICLE INDIVIDUALLY.

SO THAT'S THE FOLLOWUP IS AFTER YOU GUYS APPROVE IT.

AND WE GO TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEN WE REALLY BUILD UP WHAT IS THE RIGHT TYPE? WHAT, WHAT IS THE RIGHT TYPE OF VEHICLE YOU NEED AND WHAT IS THE RIGHT OPTIONS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO ASK IS, DO YOU REALLY NEED A THREE-QUARTER TON TRUCK WITH A DIESEL? YOU MIGHT'VE, YOU MIGHT'VE ALREADY HAD ONE.

USUALLY IT COMES UP AND PARKS.

YOU DON'T TOW WITH IT AND YOU DON'T NEED A THREE QUARTER TON, LET'S SAVE $9,000.

SO SOMETIMES WE CAN BE THE SCAPEGOAT TO HELP YOU LOWER COSTS ON WHAT VEHICLE YOU ACTUALLY REALLY NEED THROUGH THE COST ANALYSIS AND THEN ANY AFTERMARKET IT'S WHAT DO THEY NEED? STROBES LETTERING.

WE OUTSOURCE THAT TO LOCAL SHOPS AND WE WOULD BRING THAT VEHICLE TO YOU, READY TO GO.

SO IT WOULD HAVE ALL THE AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT, ESSENTIALLY A TURNKEY PUSH, EASY BUTTON FOR YOU.

THOSE ARE MY SIMPLE, YEAH, THIS IS AN OPEN-ENDED LEAST.

UM, BUT IS THERE A TIME PERIOD WHERE THEY COME BACK, MAYBE ANNUALLY AND ASK IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM AND TO REVIEW WHAT'S HAPPENED, THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY, WHATEVER.

SO PART OF THE TWO, SO THAT'S THAT'S MOLLY'S JOB.

SO WE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR TEAM, YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS USUALLY QUARTERLY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN THAT WE STARTED IS THAT THE RIGHT PLAN, YOU STILL NEED THESE VEHICLES.

IS IT THE RIGHT VEHICLE? AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR, IN YOUR CITY GROWTH SHRINKAGE, WHATEVER MAY HAVE YOU, HOW DO WE BETTER UTILIZE THE DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ON YOUR FLEET? HOW DO WE MAKE IT AS CHEAPEST AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU? I GUESS THE ANSWER IS YES.

WE WILL LOOK AT IT.

WE WILL MAKE SURE EVERY YEAR, DO YOU WANT TO GET NEW VEHICLES? OKAY.

AND, AND BRIAN, I THINK THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO BE VIEWED ANNUALLY ON THE STATUS OF THIS PROGRAM.

ORDER ALL YOUR VEHICLES AT ONE TIME, AS SOON AS THE MODEL YEAR STARTS.

AND WE CAN FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE THAT WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE LEASES, THE ANNUAL LEASES FOR, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO UPDATE YOU.

AND HOWEVER, THAT LOOKS LIKE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, ALL AT ONE TIME OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE KIND OF BREAKING UP, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE PURCHASES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION.

I WILL TELL YOU A BEST PRACTICE IS TO

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LIKE THE REASON BEING THE REASON BEING IS IF, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOCK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR PRICING, YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT SUBJUGATED TO ANY PRICE INCREASE OVER THE YEAR, BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT HEADED UP BY DELAYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

YOU DON'T PAY ANYTHING UNTIL THE MONTH AFTER YOU TAKE DELIVERY OF THE VEHICLE.

SO YOU COULD ORDER A VEHICLE IN AUGUST.

IT'S NOT GOING TO DELIVER UNTIL MARCH.

YOU WON'T PAY ANYTHING UNTIL APRIL.

SO WHAT IT DOES IS BY BEING MORE PROACTIVE, ALLOWS YOU TO SECURE YOUR PLAN, MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE VEHICLE BECAUSE MANUFACTURERS, THESE DAYS ARE CUTTING OFF VEHICLES SOONER AND SOONER AND SOONER OR LATER THAN THEY USED TO IN PAST.

SO BEING PROACTIVE USUALLY SAVES YOU SOME MONEY AND THEN YOU CAN BUY VEHICLES AS DEER STRIKE OR WHATEVER, HAVE YOU, OR GET SOME VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS NEEDED.

THAT'LL HELP YOU WITH YOUR RENT LEGISLATION TO SEE EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME VERSUS CONSTANTLY HAVE TO ALWAYS SEE THEM EVERY MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

FIVE MONTH, LATE TIME NORMAL.

SO WHAT WE FIND ON GOVERNMENT, MOST OF THE TIME, IT TAKES YOU ABOUT SEVEN TO EIGHT MONTHS TO GET A VEHICLE FROM ALL THE GOVERNMENT CUSTOMERS.

I, TO, FOR WHATEVER REASON WE'RE ABLE TO GET.

USUALLY TWO TO THREE MONTHS FASTER LEAD TIMES ARE NORMALLY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT FIVE TO SIX MONTHS ON AVERAGE.

UM, THAT SHOULD GO BACK TO NORMAL AGAIN IN A FEW YEARS, HOPEFULLY.

SO, UH, JUST KIND OF A CLARIFYING QUESTION OR CALLING THIS ELISE LEGALLY AS PRIORITIES, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FUNCTIONALLY WE'RE TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THE VEHICLES WITH A GUARANTEED BUY BACK WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THEM.

WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THE RESALE PRICE.

NO, BUT, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BUY THEM BACK.

SO, SO HOW IT WORKS AT THE VALUE OF AT THAT TIME.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GUYS, WE ARE HOPE WE HOLD TITLE THE WHOLE TIME SO WE CAN EASILY TRANSFER EVERYTHING, BUT YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BUY THAT VIA OR SELL THAT VEHICLE AND WHATEVER THE REMAINING BALANCE IS AT THAT TIME, THAT PAYOFF IS GOING TO PAY OFF THAT AND YOU GET THAT EQUITY DIFFERENCE KIND OF LIKE BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WE GENERALLY BUILD UP ABOUT FIVE TO $6,000 OF EQUITY EACH VEHICLE, UH, JUST FOR OFFSET, FUTURE PRICE INCREASES AND SO FORTH.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, GLENN? NO.

MA'AM UM, TWO BRIEF QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST WAS YOU MENTIONED PURCHASING OUR VEHICLES AT ONE PARTICULAR TIME OR PUTTING AN ORDER FOR VEHICLES AT ONE TIME.

I ASSUME YOU WOULD DO THAT AFTER YOU DID A FLEET OF EVALUATION FOR US AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, THEN YOU WOULD COME FORWARD WITH THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES YOU'D RECOMMEND THE CITY PURCHASE.

SO, SO WE, WE JUST STARTED WITH A PLAN, UH, REPLACING YOUR ENTIRE FLEET.

SO WE WOULD KIND OF MIRROR THAT PLAN THAT GETS YOU TO THE BEST, UM, RESET.

AND THAT, THAT TAKES INVESTMENT.

IT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF GETTING RID OF THE OLDEST ONES THAT ARE NICKEL AND DIMING YOU.

AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW THAT PLAN AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT GIVES YOU THE BEST SAVINGS OVER THE LONG RUN.

UM, BUT YEAH, SO WHEN THE NEW MODEL YEAR COMES OUT, WHICH IT IS NOW, THAT'S WHEN WE START RUNNING ALL OUR, WHAT WE CALL COST PER MILE OR SELECTORS.

SO WE JUST BRING IT ALL TO, YOU KNOW, BRIAN AND HIS TEAM AND WE'LL BRING IT TO YOU AND IT'LL BE LIKE, ALL SEDANS ARE THIS HERE'S THESE VEHICLES.

AND WE'LL DO, UM, USUALLY THE MOST COMMON IN EACH SIZE CATEGORY.

UM, AND WE'LL BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND YOU GUYS DECIDE WHICH VEHICLE YOU WANT TO PICK AND YOU JUST TELL US, AND WE GO AHEAD AND ORDER THAT VEHICLE.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON, UH, YOU MENTIONED CUSTOMIZATION AND THAT YOU WOULD SEND THAT OUT FOR BID OR WHAT HAVE YOU, DO YOU, UH, I GUESS I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS IF THEY HAVE A SUGGESTION AS TO A PARTICULAR VENDOR STRIPER, STROBE INSTALLER, CORRECT EQUIPMENT.

SO, YEAH.

SO IF YOU GUYS USE KATIE ROSE UP HERE, IT'S PRETTY COMMON UP HERE OR COFFIN BURGER.

WE WILL, WE WILL USE THEM TOO.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE TIES TO PLACES.

WE USE COFFIN BURGER ALL THE TIME.

KATIE ROSE EVERY NOW AND THEN, UH, ACE TRUCK IN COLUMBUS IS WE FOUND THE BEST IN OHIO FOR DUMP TRUCKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, BUT WE'LL USE ANYBODY THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO THEY'RE YOUR VEHICLES AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUOTE IS THE EXACT, EXACT SPECS.

THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON ALL AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING.

EXCELLENT.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

MA'AM I'M GOING TO GO TO JIM REAL QUICK AND I'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO CAMERA.

JIM.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT LAST WEEK I TALKED TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE CITY OF MIAMI ICEBERG.

AND ALTHOUGH THEY'VE ONLY BEEN WITH THEM ABOUT A YEAR, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A YEAR, UH, SHE WAS VERY PLEASED.

UH, THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE.

THE PROCESS IS VERY SIMPLE.

THEY GAVE HIM A LOT OF CHOICES.

SO LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THE AFTERMARKET, PUTTING STICK, UH, DECALS AND STROBE LIGHTS AND, UM, PLOWS, THEY WERE, UM, ABLE TO EITHER GO WITH THAT OR NOT GO WITH THAT.

IT WAS COMPLETELY

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THEIR CHOICE.

AND EVEN THAT CHOICE BY DEPARTMENT, SOME DEPARTMENTS CHOSE NOT TO AND OTHERS CHOSE EXACTLY DO THAT.

AND THEY HAD HIGH MARKS FOR MOLLY SHOWING THAT, BUT, UH, UH, VERY GOOD, UH, DISCUSSION WITH HER.

AND SHE WAS VERY, VERY PLEASED, NO NEED FOR AN ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT HOW DO YOU PRICE THE VEHICLES? UH, WE GO WITH IT'S INVOICE MINUS WHATEVER THE MANUFACTURER GIVES YOU.

AND IS THAT TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD PAY NOW? YEAH.

AND W ON AVERAGE, THE VEHICLE PRICES ARE GOING TO BE WITHIN $500 AND DO YOU MARK THAT UP? WE DO NOT.

AND THEN TO GLEN'S QUESTION, UH, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE ONCE WE LEASE THAT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT FOR? CORRECT.

SO WE WILL SHOW, WE WILL FORECAST YOU WHAT WE THINK THAT VEHICLE IS GOING TO SELL FOR.

AND THAT'S PART OF THAT TRACKING PIECE.

ARE WE ON TRACK IF WE'RE NOT ON TRACK FOR RESALE, WHY IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? ARE YOU DRIVING WAY OVER MILEAGE NOW OVER MILEAGE, ISN'T LIKE A THOUSAND MILES IT'S IF WE SET YOU UP AT 7,000 MILES A YEAR AND YOU'RE DRIVING 15 THAT'S WAY OVER MILEAGE.

SO THAT OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO AFFECT THE RESALE PIECE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, WE BUILD A BUFFER THERE.

MAYBE IT COMES BACK WITH EXCESS DAMAGE, LIKE YOU HAVE BACKED INTO EACH OTHER AND YOU DON'T WANT TO FIX THE VEHICLE THROUGH INSURANCE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO SELL FOR AS MUCH THERE.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THAT FOR THE USED CAR MARKET FLUCTUATES.

EXACTLY.

SO IF THE USED CAR MARKET, LIKE IT DID 2008, WHEN EVERYTHING JUST KIND OF CAME TO A CRASHING HOLE, WE JUST EXTENDED VEHICLES FOR CUSTOMERS.

HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, THEIR VEHICLES STILL SEEMS TO BE RUNNING.

LET'S RUN IT ANOTHER YEAR AND, AND RIDE OUT THE STORM.

SO YOU HAVE TOTAL FLEXIBILITY AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT TO YOU THROUGH THE ANALYSIS THAT MOLLY AND HER TEAM DOE TO MAKE SURE IS IT THE RIGHT PLAN? IS IT STILL THE RIGHT ANALYSIS? AND IS IT AN ALL OR NOTHING? OR COULD WE PHASE THIS RELATIONSHIP IN? YEAH, IT'S IT, THE, THE PLAN IS THE PHASE IN OVER FIVE YEARS, YOUR ENTIRE, ALL THE A HUNDRED VEHICLES IS THE PLAN TO PHASE IT OVER FOR FIVE YEARS.

AND TO GET THE, UH, MILEAGE PER GALLON INCREASE IS ONE OF THE REAL SECRETS HERE.

CORRECT? SO AS WE TRADE UP AND THE MILES PER GALLON INCREASES, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THERE AND THAT'S PART OF HER ANALYSIS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A VEHICLE AND YOU RUN IT FOR FIVE, ON AVERAGE, YOU GUYS ARE HOLDING YOUR VEHICLES ABOUT 16 YEARS.

SO 65 TO 70% OF THAT COST OF THAT VEHICLE IS FUEL MAINTENANCE AND DOWNTIME.

SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOUR BUCKET IS SO MUCH HIGHER COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING ON.

THE CAPITOL.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SHRINKING THAT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

SOME OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO HELP OFFSET CAPITAL, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO START SEEING THAT RESALE VALUE.

SO BOTH BUCKETS WILL KIND OF ESSENTIALLY SHRINK A LITTLE BIT, OR THIS WILL SHRINK DRAMATICALLY.

AND YOUR CAPITAL OUTLAY WILL SHRINK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW STARTING TO RECOUP, UH, EQUITY ARE NOW.

AND MOST OF THE SAVINGS IS COMING FROM YOUR OPERATIONS AND, AND BRIAN, THIS IS JUST A MORE SOPHISTICATED WAY TO FURNISH CARDS TO THE CITY OR CORRECT.

AND ANALYZE WHEN THE RIGHT TIME IS TO SELL.

RIGHT? SO OUR INTENT, AT LEAST MY PERSPECTIVE REPRESENTING THE FINANCIAL SIDE, UM, WAS TO PROVIDE A KIND OF THAT, THAT LEVEL, RATHER THAN SEEING THESE BIG, HUGE SPIKES.

I HAD TO BUY A WHOLE BUNCH OF VEHICLES AND WE DON'T BUY ANY.

AND THEN WE GOT A WHOLE BUY OF IT.

THAT'S HARD TO COME UP WITH.

WHEREAS THROUGH THIS LEASE PROGRAM, WE KIND OF HEAD UP AND THEN WE PLATEAU.

AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WE COULD CONSISTENTLY PROVIDE THE VEHICLES WE NEEDED TO ADD A MORE PREDICTABLE COSTS, UH, WAS REALLY MY INTENT OR REALLY MY REASON TO HAVE INTEREST IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER ANCILLARY BENEFITS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE FLEET MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.

UM, I THINK WE SENT JEREMY COPIES OF OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE ON SCREENSHOTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO DOWNLOAD IT INTO EXCEL.

UM, THEY HAVE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, TWO MECHANICS ON STAFF AND WE'RE ABOUT AT THE POINT WHERE, UH, MIKE HAS CONSIDERING A THIRD TRANSITIONING INTO THIS PROGRAM, DELAYS INDEFINITELY, OUR NEED TO LOOK AT A THIRD MECHANIC, DECREASING OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES TO TIRES AND OIL THEN ENABLES THOSE MECHANICS TO GET THE SMALLER ENGINE EQUIPMENT AND THE WE'LL CALL THEM TRADITIONAL VEHICLES THAT THEY WORK ON.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE EQUIPMENT MOTORS THAT GO WITH LEAF BLOWERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THEY CAN GET TO THOSE FASTER AND GET THIS BACK OUT INTO SERVICE FASTER.

SO THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, SIR, THAT WOULD ALSO LEND TO IMPROVE OPERATIONS AND EFFICIENCIES AND COST.

SO, AND ANOTHER MAJOR PIECE OF THIS, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY IS WHEN TO SELL THE CAR.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE MASTERED IT.

AS IT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS.

A VERY HOT VEHICLE ON THE RESALE MARKET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MANY THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD WITH MAYBE 40,000 MILES.

AS A COMPANY, WE BUY AND SELL A MILLION VEHICLES A YEAR.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE BUY AT RIGHT AND WE WANT TO SELL, UH, WHEN THAT RIGHT TIME IS.

CAUSE, SO WE, YOU GUYS FALL RIGHT INTO, WE WOULD LUMP YOUR VEHICLES INTO THAT SAME ANALYSIS THAT WE DO.

AND YOUR VEHICLES TRUTHFULLY WILL BE

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SO THANKS.

SO AS WE BRING THIS IN, SO WE HAVE AROUND 20 CARS, SO THEN WE HAVE A FIRE SALE ON 20 OF OUR EXISTING CARS, OR HOW DO WE, DO YOU HELP US SELL THOSE? OR DO WE, DO WE JUST DO THAT THROUGH OUR TRADITIONAL WAY? OR SO IT'S UP TO YOU.

UH, WE ARE NOT GOOD AT SELLING YOUR FIFTH, 10 PLUS YEAR OLD VEHICLES.

GOV DEALS IS REALLY GOOD.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT.

PEOPLE WILL DRIVE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, MAYBE EVEN CANADA TO BUY YOUR VEHICLES FOR MONEY THAT WE WOULD NEVER PAY.

SO WE RECOMMEND ON THE, WE CAN SELL, I WILL SELL, IF YOU JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.

WE CAN SELL THEM FOR YOU, HOW WE SELL VEHICLES, MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA FOR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND EVERYTHING WE DO.

SO WE CAN'T SELL THEM FOR YOU.

HOWEVER, YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET MORE MONEY, UH, THROUGH GOV DEALS.

IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE YEAR TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, GENERALLY, THAT'S WHERE WE START SELLING, MAKING, UH, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO START SELLING THOSE VEHICLES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO I THINK, UM, IF I'M, IF I'M MISSING THE MARK HERE, UH, CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, BUT I THINK COUNCIL HAS AN INTEREST IN, IN, IN SEEING THIS, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CAVEAT OF, WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP IS FROM OUR, UM, SIDE OF THE, THE VEHICLES THAT MAYBE THE VEHICLES WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE.

UM, AND, AND KIND OF LOOK AT, AND LOOK AT THAT ANALYSIS.

SO AS WE GET INTO STARTING THE TRANSITION, WHERE DO THOSE COME INTO PLAY AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO GO THAT ROUTE? SO I THINK THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT I, I BELIEVE WE'VE ALL KIND OF SAID, WE'D LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE BEFORE, BEFORE FINALIZING ANYTHING.

BUT I DO THINK, I DO THINK MY OPINION WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE.

SO WOULD IT BE SAFE THEN TO SAY THAT, UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL THAT FOR MONDAY COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MASTER LEASE WITH THE PROVISIONS, UH, WITH THE, UM, THE SUBLEASE AUTHORIZATION REMOVED AND THAT, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CURRENT SCHEDULE THAT'S PROPOSED THE CURRENT CYCLE PROPOSED, AND THEN PRIOR TO ANY OF THE SUBLEASES COMING BEFORE COUNCIL, YOU WOULD LIKE THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO INCLUDE THE VEHICLES, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD COLLECTIVELY LIKE FOR US TO BRING BEFORE THE TOWN? ALL OF THAT? YEAH.

UM, SO IN MY MIND WE WERE TALKING, I WAS THINKING BEFORE, BUT AS YOU'VE TALKED TO THAT PROCESS, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROVING EACH ONE OF THE VEHICLES THAT COME BEFORE US, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THAT, SEEING THAT AT THAT POINT.

BUT WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO COUNCIL.

THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EVALUATIONS PROPOSAL AND WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY BE LOOKING AT AND WHERE A HYBRID OR ELECTRIC WOULD WORK IN OUR FLEET.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT LET'S SEE WHERE THIS GOES.

UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE DATA ON OUR CURRENT FLEET.

UH, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, OUR CURRENT FLEET, UM, WHAT IS OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR, OUR DEBT? UM, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.

I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU AND JEREMY HAVE DISCUSSED.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE RECORD FOR OUR DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH THAT COLLECTIVE PIECE.

SO LET'S MOVE.

UM, SO LET'S MOVE THIS TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, THAT'LL CERTAINLY GIVE YOU GUYS TIME TO PUT ALL THAT STUFF TOGETHER AND PREPARE ALL THE DATA THAT THAT EVERYBODY'S ASKED FOR.

AND THEN, UM, WITH THAT WORK SESSION, WE'LL HAVE, BASED ON THE DAY OF IT, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT AT THAT POINT, WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR IT.

GREAT DISCUSSION, EVERYONE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

ALL.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UM, THAT DID NOT PUT ME TO SLEEP AT ALL.

I, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF TO TALK ABOUT BACK AND FORTH AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO RECALL.

SO, UM, SO YEAH, APPRECIATE THAT.

MORE DETAILED, MORE DISCUSSION.

UM, YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS OR REMARKS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? EVERYBODY SATISFIED NEXT WORK SESSION.

APPRECIATE YOU'RE WELCOME.

GREAT JOB, MOLLY.

[ Energy Performance Project - Change Order #3]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE.

I, WHICH IS THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE PROJECT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE.

UH, FOLLOWING OUR COMMENCEMENT OF THAT, UH, PROJECT, UM, CHIEF NICELY BECAME CHIEF NICELY AND, UH, SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CHIEF, UM, RESULTED IN SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME INQUIRIES ABOUT ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO STATION 22 AND 23, UH, THAT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONSIDERED, UH, AS PART OF, UH, THE INITIAL CONTRACT.

DO YOU, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THAT CHIEF OR DO YOU ALRIGHT? SURE.

UM, SO AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN, UM, A GUARANTEED ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT WITH, UH, ESG TO MAKE A NUMBER OF UPGRADES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

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AND SO, UH, THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS THROUGH ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM ESG, UH, CHIEF NICELY HAD PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF PROJECTS, WHICH WE FEEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, TO, UH, TO FINANCE AS AN AMENDMENT TO THIS CONTRACT.

UH, THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IS, UH, JUST OVER $300,000, I BELIEVE, UH, $360,000, UM, UNLIKE, UM, JUST A D UM, AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER WORK THAT WE'RE DOING, OR THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER WORK THAT WE'RE DOING UNDER THE INITIAL, UH, WHERE WE'RE JUST KIND OF REPLACING AND UPGRADING.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES GENERATORS AT BOTH, UH, HIS FACILITY.

SO THAT'S, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, COSTS THERE THAT WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY SEE OR THAT WE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY CONSIDERED.

SO ALL OF THAT TOGETHER WOULD ROUGHLY, UM, TOTAL $360,000.

AND THE AVERAGE ANNUAL COST, UH, TO THE CITY WOULD BE JUST UNDER 30,000, BE ABOUT $28,700.

UH, WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT THAT EXPENSE BE COVERED, UM, ABOUT HALF OF WHICH WOULD COME FROM HIS CURRENT OPERATIONAL BUDGET.

UH, THERE ARE LINE ITEMS TO COVER THESE TYPES OF, UM, THINGS LIKE WINDOWS AND WHATNOT.

SO REPLACING AND REPAIRING WINDOWS AND WHATNOT.

UM, HALF OF THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM HIS, UM, MAINTENANCE BUDGET OPERATIONALLY, AND THEN THE OTHER HALF WOULD COME FROM THE REVENUES, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, FIRE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.

SO THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO COVER THAT.

UH, AND, UH, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER LEASE THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH A US BANK CORP.

SO US BANK CORP IS THE PRINCIPAL FINANCER ON, UH, THE PRINCIPAL PHASE.

THEY ALSO FINANCED, UH, THE MEDIC.

SO THEY WOULD ALSO BE FINANCING THIS.

SO IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE NEW, UH, THEN YOU WOULD SEE SUBSEQUENT RE UH, LEGISLATION IN JULY, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE WOULD BE, I THINK IT'S AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE, UH, TO OUR MASTER FINANCE, LISA USBANK COURT.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, CHIEF NEWSLETTER, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THE COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THE REQUESTING THE WORK THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.

THANKS, BRIAN.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR PERCEIVING THE HAZARD, BRIAN? WHAT'S IT, RICHARD, THANK YOU.

UM, BRIAN, I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION.

I WAS GOING THROUGH THE LIST HERE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ABOUT, I THINK YOU SAID A 360,000 SOME CHANGE.

OF THESE INVESTMENTS ARE, WHAT DOES THE PROPERTY MEAN TO US? LET ME REPHRASE THIS.

I'M GOING TO TAKE THE OVERALL CONTRACT TO ABOUT 3.3 MILLION, UM, IN THE AGREEMENT WITH THIS ADDITIONAL CHANGE ORDER, WHAT KIND OF LIFE EXPECTANCY ARE WE LOOKING TO GET? WHAT, WHAT IS OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT BY MAKING THIS CHANGE ORDER WITH, UM, OUR ENERGY, UM, AGREEMENT, RIGHT? SO THIS, UM, ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE OR THAT'S BEING INCLUDED IN THIS, UM, CANNOT BE, UM, HAS A USEFUL LIFE OF 15 YEARS OR LONGER BECAUSE US BANK CORP WON'T LEASE FOR A TERM LONGER THAN THE LIFE VALUE FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING LEASED.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING AT THOSE STATIONS WOULD LAST AS LONG, IF NOT LONGER THAN THE TERM OF THE LEASE, WHICH IS THE 15 YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMFORTABLE.

RIGHT? AND I GUESS HE HERE'S MY, MY $23 MILLION QUESTION, THE LAST THING I WOULD TO SEE, AND I, AND I KNOW WORK, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME BIG FORECASTING YEARS, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TONIGHT, THAT'S FINE.

AND MAYBE ALSO FOR THE CHIEF AS WELL, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY $400,000 OF WORK INTO THESE FIRE STATIONS, LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS FIVE, SIX YEARS FROM NOW, THE CHIEF COMES UP AND SAYS, THIS FIREHOUSE IS INADEQUATE.

WE NEED A NEW FIREHOUSE FOR X REASON.

THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION.

IN MY OPINION, I'D LIKE TO HAVE NOW, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THIS ALMOST $400,000 IN HERE, WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND START THAT CONVERSATION ELSEWHERE.

AM I MAKING SENSE? UM, YOU ARE.

AND SO OUR THOUGHT TO THAT ARE THINGS SUCH AS, SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, THE GENERATORS, RIGHT? SO, UM, THE GENERATORS, WE NEED THOSE, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT FIRE STATION ANOTHER YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT FIRE STATION A HUNDRED YEARS.

OTHER COMPONENTS OF, UM, OF THIS,

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HOW DO WE UTILIZE THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE? IF IT'S USED AS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT MIGHT NOT BE A FIREHOUSE, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED GARAGE DOORS, WHETHER OR NOT WE OWN IT, OR WE SELL IT.

IT'S STILL GOING TO NEED WINDOWS, WHETHER OR NOT WE OWN IT, OR WE SELL IT.

SO THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING, AT LEAST PART A OF THIS ARE ALL THINGS THAT BASICALLY WEAR OUT OVER TIME.

AND SO IF WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE IT AS A FIREHOUSE, WE NEED THESE ITEMS TO FUNCTION APPROPRIATELY AND EFFECTIVELY.

AND IF WE ARE GOING TO SELL IT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY NEED TO FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE RESALE VALUE IN THE MARKET.

SO NOTHING THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, WILL IT INCREASE THE VALUE? SHOULD WE GO TO SELL IT? NO, BUT IT DEFINITELY ISN'T GOING TO DECREASE THE VALUE EITHER OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO EXIST FOR THESE BUILDINGS TO FUNCTION, WHETHER OR NOT FOR US AS FIREHOUSES FOR US AS PUBLIC WORKS STORAGE OR FOR WHOEVER THE NEXT IS GOING TO BE FOR A AUTO VEHICLE REPAIR OR A MICROBREWERY OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, SHOULD IT NOT BE OUR USE? THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER.

GOOD JOB.

SO, UH, MAYBE FOR, FOR BOTH OF YOU GUYS, IT WOULD, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING, WE'RE GROWING PRETTY GOOD HERE IN THE CITY.

I THINK, I THINK THE CONVERSATION COULD ALMOST BE ALONG THE LINES OF RATHER THAN LOOKING TO REBUILD OR HAVE TO REFURBISH WHOLLY AN EXISTING FIRE STATION.

ARE WE GOING TO NEED ANY MORE FIRE STATIONS? RIGHT.

IS THERE, ARE WE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER ONE? NOT JUST TO REFURBISH OR REMODEL OR BILL, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, OR REDO AN ONE.

SO, SO WHERE, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE'RE WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS REGARDING THAT AS WE GROW AND WHERE OUR FIRE STATIONS ARE CURRENTLY, AND IS THERE GOING TO BECOME A NEED FOR, FOR ANOTHER ONE FROM IT'S BASE ON OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO, AND THEN MAYOR THAT, THAT CONVERSATION YOU JUST REFERENCED AS A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH CHIEF ASHWORTH BACK IN ROUGHLY 20 16, 20 17, HE HAD, HE DID HAVE A FORECAST AND MODEL CHIEF.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THAT, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TODAY ON THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION I HAD WITH A PREVIOUS TEAM, BECAUSE WHETHER WE SPEND $4,000 IN HIS BUILDING, IF THE NEEDS ARE THE CURRENT ONES, THE BIG QUESTION IS FIRE SAFETY, OVERALL EMS ABILITY, WHERE IS IT? ARE WE GONNA NEED ANOTHER ONE SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, ONE THING, I'M THE FORCE, THE FORETHOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THE FIRE STATION LOCATIONS BECAUSE WE'VE KIND OF TALKED AND WE PLAYED AROUND LOOKING AT NEW DEVELOPMENT AND SAYING, WELL, COULD WE MOVE THIS STATION HERE OR THIS STATION HERE AND WHERE WE SIT LIKE AT STATION 23, IT IS AN OLD BUILDING.

UH, WHEN WE RENOVATED IT, IT WAS RENOVATED JUST BEFORE I STARTED HERE.

AND, UH, I'VE WATCHED GUYS COME AND GO SINCE THAT BUILDING'S BEEN RENOVATED.

AND, UH, THE STATION LOCATIONS ARE REALLY IN A GOOD SPOT STATION, 25, LET'S REMEMBER STATION 25.

RIGHT NOW WE CAN BUILD BUILDINGS, BUT WE NEED PEOPLE FOR THEM.

ON A MAP FOR THE LAST YEAR.

AND STATION 25, W WE ARE, WE ARE SET UP RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE A FULLY STAFFED AND BE ABLE TO START COMPILING DATA WITH OUR NEW, WITH OUR NEW STAFFING MODELS, LIKE STATION 25.

RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE STILL ROOM FOR GROWTH WITH PERSONNEL.

WE BUILT THAT STATION FOR SIX PEOPLE.

THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE ASSIGNED THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT GROWTH TO THE NORTH, THAT STATION IS ACTUALLY IN A PRETTY DECENT LOCATION TO RESPOND TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS AREA.

UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TRAVEL TIME FROM STATION 22 STATION 25 WORKS OUT PRETTY WELL.

I THINK IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME ABOUT A FOURTH FIRE STATION RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT THE CITY AND THE AVAILABLE LAND, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY, WHERE'S OUR NEXT DEVELOPMENT GOING TO BE? YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT OUT ON, OUT ON THE FAR EAST SIDE, OUT BY ROUTE FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FIRE STATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT THERE TO SUPPORT A CENTER POINT 70 OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THE, THE, THE CENTER OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS, UM, IF WE WERE TO RELOCATE A FIRE STATION, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD ENHANCE SERVICE.

AND THEN, BUT IT WAS ALSO DECREASED SERVICE.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GO AND MOVE STATION 23 FARTHER SOUTH.

UH, RIGHT NOW I HAVE JUDY, UH, UH, WITH, UH, DOING OUR GS GIS CONSULTANT CONSULTING.

SHE'S VERY BUSY WITH THE NEW CAT.

SHE'S, SHE'S A INTEGRAL MEMBER OF THE TEAM FOR THAT, UH, TRYING TO MAP OUT OUR DISTRICTS AND EVERYTHING.

BUT ANYWAYS, I'VE SENT HER ALL OF OUR CALL VOLUME FOR THE LAST YEAR.

AND WE WANT TO GET A PIN MAP BECAUSE I CAN GO AND SHOW YOU, HEY, WE HAVE THIS MAIN CALLS HERE.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A MAP AND HAVE EACH AND EVERY CALL THAT WE'VE EVER RESPONDED TO PINNED UP

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SO WE CAN START KIND OF LOOKING AT WHERE OUR FUTURE IS, UH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR MOMENTUM IS REALLY, REALLY PICKING UP AS A CITY.

UH, BUT IF YOU WERE TO, YOU KNOW, CHIEF ASHWORTH AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT FORESTATION WOULD BE NEEDED WITHIN MY CAREER OR NOT.

IF IT'S NOT, WE AT LEAST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO START PINPOINTING AND PLANNING WHERE, WHERE THAT STATION IS GOING TO BE AT.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW, DO WE NEED A FOUR STATION? WE DON'T NEED ONE RIGHT NOW.

DO WE NEED TO BE WATCHING AND SEEING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? YES.

UH, I KNOW WE GET BRIEFED WEEKLY DURING STAFF MEETINGS AND THINGS, AND THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME SORT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT TALK AND, AND WE'RE BEING VERY MINDFUL OF THAT.

OKAY, GOOD.

ARE THERE CHANGES? ARE THERE CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO START PREPARING FOR, FOR STATION 23? WE, UH, THERE'S STATION 23.

I THINK WE, WE WE'VE BEEN TALKING.

I THINK THE PANDEMIC HAS, HAS CAUSED, I KNOW I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SCOTT AND CONVERSATIONS WITH BRIAN, VERY PRELIMINARY THAT IF WE WERE TO EVER DO SOME THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT STATION 23 SITE, I THERE'S SOME CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD, UH, THAT WE'VE ALL KIND OF STARTED TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UH, PRIVATE BUNK ROOMS. YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE HAD OUR PEOPLE RESPONDING TO, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PANDEMIC, UH, AIRBORNE, YOU KNOW, A PERSON TO PERSON TYPE OF CONTACT HAVING, UH, STATION 23, WHEN WE BUILT THAT THERE WERE SOME SACRIFICES THAT WERE MADE, THEY DO NOT HAVE, THEY HAVE PARTITIONED WALLS, BUT WE HAVE COMMON ERROR, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMON AIR, THE CEILING, THERE'S LIKE A THREE FOOT GAP BETWEEN THE CEILING.

UH, THERE'S NOT AN ADEQUATE WORKOUT FACILITY THERE.

SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT SCOTT'S BEEN RECEPTIVE TO LISTEN TO.

AND, AND TALKING TO BRIAN WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR IT TYPE OF THING, THIS STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE SHOULDN'T REALLY AFFECT IT, BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AS, AS I'M SPITBALLING IS, IS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF ENVISIONED IS ADDING ON SOME SORT OF A LIVING QUARTERS AND THEN MOVING OUR WORKOUT FACILITY AND TAKING OVER THE SECOND FLOOR.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH STATION 23, BECAUSE I AM TRULY AMAZED HOW WELL THE STATION LOCATIONS WORKED OUT AND, YOU KNOW, STATION 25.

I KNOW WE'D LOOKED AT DIFFERENT AREAS AND WE'RE STATIONED TWENTY-FIVE.

I MEAN, REALLY WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY BLESSED ON, ON, ON PICKING GOOD LOCATIONS FOR THESE BUILDINGS, BUT STATION 23, IT'S A GOOD SPOT.

UM, YEAH, I, I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT WE, WE COULD DO TO ENHANCE THE LIFE OF THE FIREFIGHTERS.

UH, WE'VE REALLY BEEN PUSHING, UH, PHYSICAL FITNESS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE INITIATED A PLAN TO WHERE WE ACTUALLY MANDATE PHYSICAL FITNESS BECAUSE 24 HOURS SITTING IN A FIRE STATION, UH, YOU NEED TO BE ACTIVE.

YOU NEED TO BE MOVING AROUND.

NOBODY SITS AROUND ALL DAY.

I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE LAST DAY, WE DIDN'T TAKE A CALL.

UH, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UH, KEEP OUR PEOPLE, UH, MOVING AROUND AND HEALTHY.

SO, UM, WITH ME ASKING FOR OUR PEOPLE TO DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM WITH A LITTLE BETTER WORKOUT FACILITY AND SOME SLEEPING, BETTER SLEEPING QUARTERS.

WE HAVE ROOM FOR EXPANSION.

YES, I BELIEVE WE DO.

UH, WHAT WE RUNNING INTO, I THINK THERE IS, IS THAT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND WAY BACK WHEN THE REASON WHY SOME OF THE STUFF WASN'T DONE WAS, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, WITH THE OIL CHANGE PLACES RUNNING INTO RIGHT NOW, RUNNING INTO A LOT OF BEDROCK.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, I, I WISH I HAD THE KNOWLEDGE.

UH, WE DON'T KNOW IF CONSTRUCTION TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED ANY, IF THERE'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD EXPAND THAT BUILDING OVER THERE.

AND THOSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE SCOTT LEFT.

WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT STARTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE STUDY AND HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT STATION.

CAN YOU GO UP, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D GO UP WITHOUT INCREASING THE FOUNDATION.

UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY CERTAINLY, BUT I, THAT, THAT WOULD EXCEED MY ABILITY TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT IN THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM SO WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE IT ON THE RADAR.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE, THE NEW DOORS, NEW WINDOWS, IT WOULD IMPACT THINGS, BUT LIKE OUR NEW WINDOWS, WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW HAVE LIKE INTEGRATED BLONDES.

MA'AM UM, BRIAN OR CHIEF, UH, CYCLING GENERATORS.

THE CHANGE ORDER WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, UH, IS THROUGH ESG.

SO, UH, AND MOTTO ASSUME LIKE THE OVERHEADS, THE DOOR CHANGES, THE WINDOW CHANGES.

THESE ARE ALL, UH, IMPACTING, UH, OUR ENERGY USAGE.

SO, UM, IS THAT THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE CHANGE AND ONE, IT WAS SHORT-SIGHTED ON MY PART WHEN WE STARTED DOING THIS, UH, I WAS AT, WE WERE ASKED LAST YEAR, WHAT COULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT ENHANCEMENTS DO WE NEED? AND WHEN WE BROUGHT SOME OF THESE THINGS, WE WERE STRICTLY LOOKING AT ENERGY TYPE OF PROJECTS.

AND IT WAS KIND OF MORE WHERE WE'RE AT IS, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PIECE MEAL, A BUNCH OF CHANGES TOGETHER, AND THE BUILDINGS ARE GETTING OLDER, FASTER THAN WE CAN DO THEM.

UH, SO, UH,

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YOU CAN NO LONGER GET PARTS FOR THE INTEGRATED BLINDS.

SO WHEN THE BLINDS BREAK, THE BLINDS ARE ALWAYS STUCK CLOSED.

UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR PEOPLE DO VERY WELL WITH IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT LIGHT, LIGHT IN A ROOM THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO GET KIND OF LIKE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THOSE LITTLE THINGS.

AND, UH, WE THINK THAT THE, THE WINDOWS WILL IMPROVE ENERGY.

I DON'T THINK ANY PROMISES HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ENERGY IMPROVEMENT.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE BUILDINGS AND I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT MR. CAMPBELL, CAUSE I KNOW HE WAS, HE WAS AROUND WHEN WE DID THESE BUILDINGS.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT 25, 26 YEARS WHEN THESE BUILDINGS WENT IN.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE SEEN GUYS COME AND GO IN THEIR CAREER.

SO, UH, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, I DON'T WANT TO GO OFF ON A TANGENT.

BRIAN'S GOING TO CUT ME OFF HERE IN A SECOND.

WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME MEAT DESIGN PLANS.

LIKE THE, OUR PERSONNEL WOULD LIKE TO GO AND MATCH 20 STATION 25 AND HAVING RED BAY DOORS AND DOING THIS AND OUR BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

WE DIDN'T HAVE OPEN HOUSE LAST YEAR.

SO A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T NEAR OUR BUILDINGS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THEM, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE, THEY DON'T LOOK VERY GOOD WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE THAT CLOSE FROM THE STREET, THEY STILL LOOK GOOD.

BUT LIKE THE BAY DOORS ARE STARTING TO GET DAMAGED.

WHEN YOU GO TO OPEN THEM, THE DOORS THEY'RE DOORS ARE GETTING BENT AND, UH, EVERYTHING WE DO FROM THE GENERATOR TO THE DOORS, WE NEED THOSE TO WORK.

THE SECOND WE NEEDED TO WORK.

SO, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALL ENERGY.

UH, SOME OF IT IS, IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SOME AESTHETIC CHANGES TO THE, TO DOING THIS.

AND WHEN WE START PILING UP ALL THESE PROJECTS, YOU DON'T GO AND PAINT A BUILDING AND THEN PUT NEW DOORS ON IT TWO YEARS LATER.

SO WE WERE KINDA, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF HOPING TO USE SOME EXISTING BUDGET MONEY TO, AND THIS MONEY TO, TO KIND OF FINISH OFF THE OUTSIDES OF THE ALL RIGHT.

SO T TO CAVEAT THAT WE TOOK ON THIS PROJECT, WE RECOMMENDED, UM, THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE PROVISIONS OF THE ORC AS A WAY TO BE ABLE TO FINANCE THESE IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT COUNTING AGAINST OUR DEBT LIMIT.

SO REMEMBER WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT $20 MILLION LEFT THAT WE CAN BORROW BEFORE WE'RE AT OUR CAP.

AND SO WE WANTED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO UNDERTAKE.

ONE OF THOSE BEING A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD PLENTY OF DEBT CAPACITY LEFT.

AND SO WE WILL SEE SOME ENERGY SAVINGS THROUGH THESE PROJECTS.

THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED SAVINGS BECAUSE OUR DESIRE WAS REALLY TO BE ABLE TO FINANCE IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT IT COUNTING AGAINST THE CAP.

SO TO CHOOSE POINT, YES, THERE'LL BE SOME SAVINGS, BUT NOT ALL SAVINGS.

THIS IS CAPITAL MAINTENANCE.

MA'AM UM, CHIEF, UH, AS I WAS READING THROUGH HERE, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE CURRENT GENERATORS WITH CUMMINGS, NATURAL GAS GENERATORS.

I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH OUR, OUR ENERGY CONSULTANTS ON MORE OF A POSSIBLY A SOLAR TECHNOLOGY OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE IS NATURAL GAS, THE BEST WAY TO GO FOR THESE GENERATORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND THE NEXT 15 YEARS.

SO STATION 25, ACTUALLY, YOU SAY SOLAR TECHNOLOGY.

HAVE TO TREAT THE DIESEL FUEL.

I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF THE SOLAR TECHNOLOGY FOR, UH, THE GENERATORS.

I KNOW YOU CAN HAVE BACKUP BANKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

RIGHT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ONE THING ABOUT THE NATURAL GAS THAT I DO, LIKE IS, IS THAT, UH, UH, DURING Y2K, I WORKED PART-TIME FOR BUTLER TOWNSHIP AND WHEN Y2K WAS COMING, REMEMBER, WE ALL THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING.

SO WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT INSTALL A 500 GALLON PROPANE TANK.

AND IF THE WORLD WAS GOING TO COME TO AN END, WE WENT OUT AND WE WOULD SWITCH THE FUEL SOURCE.

SO THE NATURAL GAS WOULD GIVE THAT ABILITY TO WHERE NATURAL GAS EVER BECAME.

THERE WAS A REASON WHY WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET NATURAL GAS.

WE COULD SWITCH OVER TO A PROPANE TYPE OF SYSTEM STATION 25 HAS A DIESEL GENERATOR.

YOU KNOW, WE ALL THOUGHT THAT THE FUEL SYSTEM WAS, WAS NICE AND RELIABLE.

AND AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE HAD PIPELINE ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, THE, THE PIPELINE WAS SHUT DOWN.

SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF LIKE, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF PICK OUR POISON AND TALKING TO THE ENERGETIC AGGREGATORS, UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THEIR NOT AGGREGATOR, I'M SORRY.

THE, THE ENERGY PEOPLE IS, IS THAT NATURAL GAS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR US TO CONTINUE TO USE, UH, IT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN USING FOR 20 SOME YEARS.

WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.

UH, AND AS A SIDELINE, OUR GENERATOR THIS WEEKEND DECIDED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA LIKE A CAR THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING READY TO REPLACE IT.

THINGS, THINGS START BREAKING DOWN WHILE OUR GENERATORS, THE OTHER DAY, WE'RE AT STATION 22 BRAND FOR SIX HOURS STRAIGHT.

WE DID AN EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN ON IT AFTER THE SIXTH HOUR, AND IT WOULD NEVER RESTART.

SO, UH, WE ENDED UP HAVING REPAIR CAME OUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REPAIRS WERE, IT'S BACK OPERATIONAL.

UH, BUT WE DID NOT.

WE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIESEL FUEL.

THE BIGGEST THING I SEE WITH THE DIESEL FUEL WE HAVE TO DO AT STATION 25 IS WE HAVE TO, WE

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UH, WE HAVE TO TEST THE DIESEL FUEL, UH, AND WE HAVE TO REPLENISH IT.

THE NATURAL GAS IS KIND OF A PLUG AND PLAY IT'S THERE.

AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE PAYING OUR GAS BILL AND WE DON'T DIG THROUGH A LINE, WE'VE GOT THAT NATURAL GAS, WONDER IF IT WOULD BE COST-EFFECTIVE TO DO A HYBRID, NATURAL GAS AND SOLAR TECHNOLOGY, THE REASON, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, AND YOU'RE STATING IF THERE'S A RUN ON NATURAL GAS, IF THERE'S A RUN ON PROPANE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A RUN ON SUNSHINE ANYTIME SOON, IF NOT, WE'RE ALL IN A LOT MORE TROUBLE THAN WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT GENERATORS.

UM, THOSE POWER, BIG TECHNOLOGIES THAT COME A LONG WAY.

I KNOW A LOT OF MAJOR OFFICES AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS, UH, THAT I'VE VISITED.

UM, EVEN DOWN IN LITTLE ROCK HAS A LOT OF THE SOLAR TECHNOLOGIES.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU, UM, TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO, TO ENHANCE TECHNOLOGY IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE STATIONS BEING HERE FOR THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS, I LIKE TO MAKE SURE I'M GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR MY BUCK.

OTHER QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO A TWO MONDAYS.

THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION MONDAYS MEETINGS, ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

WELL, NEXT

[ Dial Park Improvements]

UP IS ITEM THREE, J WHICH IS ADEL PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

SO WE KNOW WE HAVE A TOWN HALL SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY REGARDING, UM, I KNOW AT THE LAST WORK SESSION WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING ISSUE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, NOTICES AND LETTERS HAD WENT OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAD LIVED AROUND THE PARK TO FIND OUT KIND OF THEIR, THEIR INFORMATION, WHETHER THEY WERE WITHOUT WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE, BECAUSE ANYTIME WE BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE AND THE ZONING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY SENDS OUT LETTERS.

AND, UH, WHEN WE TALKED TO JOSH, HE SAID, HE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE UP THERE, BUT WE HAD NEVER DONE ANY KIND OF, I'LL CALL IT A MASS MAILING, BUT CERTAINLY WE NEVER TALKED TO ANYBODY.

IT WAS AROUND THE LIVE THERE AT VITAL MUMFORD.

SO SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN A FEW EMAILS, CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

UM, THERE'S I THINK IF WE LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA POSTERS AND THE NEXT DOOR APP, I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF A SMALL WAVE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING ALL THOSE FEATURES RIGHT THERE AT THAT CORNER.

UM, AND, UM, I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT WAVE IS GOING TO TURN INTO A TSUNAMI.

AND WE MIGHT FIND THAT OUT AT OUR, AT OUR MEETING THAT WE HAVE ON THURSDAY.

SO, UM, MY DISCUSSION WITH, UM, WITH SCOTT AND SUDDENLY BRIAN, IS, IS THERE, UM, SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S STILL, I MEAN, I ABSOLUTELY A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE IN THAT PART.

UM, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE A BETTER LOCATION THAT WE COULD, WE COULD FIND TO PUT THAT IN, THAT STILL GIVES US EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE THAT ALLEVIATES THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC AND DOESN'T BACK IT UP RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, SOMEONE'S BACKYARD WHERE I THINK THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT PARKS SPACE AND TREES FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, NOW THERE'S PEOPLE ON BIKES RIGHT BEHIND YOU, RIGHT BEHIND HER FENCE.

SO BRIAN HAD A DISCUSSION TODAY.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, SPACE, I KNOW ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ITEMS OR AREAS WAS TO WAS, WAS, UH, A WORD ONE PART, CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THERE.

LET US HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE NEW DDC DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, THAT IS COMING FORWARD THERE ACROSS FROM LEXINGTON PLACE.

AND PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THEY ARE DONATING TO US BACK TO THE CITY, 30 ACRES OF THAT, OF THAT PROPERTY.

THERE'S SOME AREAS BACK ON THE OTHER, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT.

I'M NOT I'M, I'M NOT GONNA USE DIRECTIONAL, BUT LET'S CALL IT THE BACK PART OF THAT PROPERTY THAT, UH, CAN'T BE BUILT ON.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP OF THE PROJECTED PROPERTY ITSELF, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ROOM UP FRONT THERE'S ROOM, ALL ALONG THAT BACKSIDE.

AND THE BACKSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY TOUCHES.

I MEAN, THERE'S A, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS PRETTY DRAMATIC THERE, BUT THE BACKSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY TOUCHES WHAT WOULD BE THE DOLL PARK WOODS.

SO THEY ALL, THEY ALL KIND OF CONNECT ON TOP OF THAT.

WE LOOKED AT THE PARKING ISSUE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BRIAN HAD MENTIONED TODAY FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, YOU COULD PUT LOTS OF SMALLER PARKING SPACES WITHIN THE OVERALL SPACE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST THIS.

AND I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, STUDIES

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WHEN WE DO ONSITE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ZONING FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, OUR ZONING TELLS US WE NEED X AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES FOR WHATEVER TYPE OF A BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING, OR WHATEVER'S GOING TO GO THERE.

SO FROM A, A PARK PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE'RE ALL COUNTING ON THIS BEING AN EXTREMELY POPULAR ITEM.

THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I'D SAID AT THE LAST MEETING WAS I DIDN'T WANT TO END UP IN A SITUATION WE'VE GOT THIS GREAT AMENITY, BUT THEN THE BACKSIDE IS THEY'RE ALWAYS COMPLAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK WHEN I GET THERE.

UM, SO YOU COULD HAVE JUST AT FIRST GLANCE, SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE THERE'S MAYBE 12 TO 15 PARKING SPACES IN ONE SECTION AND THEN IT'S ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE ALL THOSE STREETS, I THINK IT'S TIMBER VIEW.

UM, I FORGET WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE MAP THAT ACTUALLY THEY'RE ACTUALLY STUBBED THE STREET, YOU'RE STUBBED INTO THAT PROPERTY.

WE OWN ALL THAT PROPERTY.

PLUS EVEN SOME OTHER PIECES UP ALONG THE BACK.

WELL, WE'LL OWN THE ACREAGE THAT'S GIVEN TO US, BUT THEN THE OTHER CAVEAT TO THAT WAS I THINK WHAT WAS NICE IS THE, THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY HAS MONEY THAT THEY ARE, UH, THAT WE'VE NEGOTIATED IN THAT AGREEMENT TO GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE CITY.

SO I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

IT WAS IN THERE TO ALLOW FOR KIND OF CONNECTING SOME OF THE, UM, THE, THE BIKE TRAILS INTO THE, WAS THAT THE MIND IS IT, THAT WAS THE MIAMI, MIAMI COUNTY MONEY KIND OF TRAIL DOWN THERE.

SO IT WAS GOING TO BE SOME MONEY THAT THE DEVELOPERS WOULD GIVE US BACK FOR THAT.

THEN I THINK IT WAS ANOTHER $275,000.

THEY WERE GIVING US JUST TO HELP DEVELOP SOME OF THAT GREEN SPACE AND PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE.

SO IF WE, IF WE SHIFTED THAT DOWN AND IT'S STILL CONNECTED TO THE, TO THE DIAL PARK PIECE, SO THOSE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS ARE IN THERE.

THOSE, THE BIKE, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS IN THE WOODS, AREN'T REALLY AFFECTING THE PEOPLE, THE NEIGHBORS, AND LIVE ALONE THAT PIECE.

UM, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER $375,000 TO USE TO REALLY TURN THAT INTO, UH, SOMETHING PRETTY SPECTACULAR DOWN THERE.

AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE NOW THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO COME THURSDAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WORLD ARE YOU DOING HERE? AND ALLOWS FOR PARKING, LOTS OF PARKING AND WE'VE GOT EXTRA DOLLARS WE CAN SPEND.

AND I THINK KNOWING WHAT THE PR KNOWING WHAT THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE LOOKS LIKE, AND WHAT'S ALL THERE, IT CAN BE DESIGNED BUILT TO IF WE WANT TO HAVE A MARGINS OR BUFFER BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PIECE OF THE TRACK AND WE'RE THE CLOSEST HOMEOWNERS AT THAT CAN ALL BE DESIGNED TO BE DONE THAT WAY.

SO IT'S, SO IT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT ONE.

SO THAT THAT'S THAT ISSUE.

WE STILL HAVE A PART FOR, FOR WARD ONE RESIDENCE.

AND, UH, WE, UH, GENERATES ANOTHER $375,000 OF USE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE MOVING INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL KNOW THIS AHEAD OF TIME.

THIS IS WHAT'S HERE.

SO THEY'LL HAVE THE OPTION, THE CHOICE, IF I WANT TO BUY A HOUSE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S THIS HUGE, UM, OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITY, THEY'VE GOT THE OPTION TO DO THAT.

AND FROM A DEVELOPER OR THE BUILDER STANDPOINT, IT MIGHT EVEN MAKE SOME OF THOSE HOMES MORE VALUABLE.

I MEAN, IF I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF KIDS GROWING UP, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN A PLACE NEXT TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH I, HOW FAR I HAD TO RIDE, BECAUSE I USED TO RIDE THOSE TRAILS WITHOUT PARK IN THE HOUSE.

ONE OF THOSE EIGHTIES KIDS WHO RODE THOSE TRAILS WITH MY BIKE.

SO, UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTER OF THE PROJECT.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY DO, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF LOCATION.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

I'M JUST NOT SURE ABOUT THAT LOCATION.

I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE MESSAGES I'VE BEEN RECEIVING IS PUT UP A SHELTER, A WALKING PATH, AND A SMALL PLAYGROUND.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO THAT PIECE THAT DIAL IN LONGFORD, UM, NOT THE BUSY-NESS OF A BIKE PLAYGROUND, PUMP, TRACK, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRIP, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, ALONG WITH THE PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THAT IN THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

SO, SO THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HAD WITH BRIAN TODAY? UM, I THINK SO THEN I THINK IT BECOMES A MATTER OF TIMING.

SO WHEN DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT GETS STARTED? HOW SOON ONCE THAT GETS STARTED, HOW SOON CAN WE GET IN THERE AND START CLEARING IT OUT, DESIGNING THE, WHERE WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT PARTS OF THE, I THINK THAT THE MAP HAS ALREADY LAID OUT, BUT WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY THE AREA THAT WE'VE GOT, THAT THEY CAN START DESIGNED BUILDING THAT PIECE, USING THOSE EXTRA FUNDS.

I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT EVEN, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IT, BUT THERE WAS A HUGE REMOTE CONTROLLED CAR, UM, COMMUNITY OUT THERE THAT HAS ASKED ABOUT LOOK, I MEAN, IS THERE A PLACE WE CAN DO REMOTE CONTROL CARS, PEOPLE MESSAGED HIM AS A PLACE WE CAN GO AND, AND FLY OUR DRONES.

I MEAN, IS THERE, I MEAN, SO WHEN

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I THINK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO THERE AND THE EXTRA MONEY THAT'D BE PROVIDED FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE A REALLY NICE TOTAL OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL AREA FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

AND THAT, THAT MAKES THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME.

SO I JUST WANT TO, UM, USE THAT DISCUSSION TO SEE WHAT KIND OF, WHAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT.

CAUSE I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT IS, IS GOOD.

IT'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT'S ABOUT LOCATION AND THE INTENSITY OF THE ARGUMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ABOUT, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WOULD CERTAINLY OPEN THIS UP TO DISCUSSION AND, AND, AND, AND TALK THROUGH THIS AND SEE WHAT, UH, SEE WHAT SOME IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE ARE SO GLENN AND I HAD, UH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE PROJECT SITE.

I THINK THAT'S BEEN PLANNED OUT, UM, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

UM, I HAD AN INTERESTING VISIT BY A NEIGHBOR ABOUT SIX, EIGHT HOUSES AWAY FROM ME TODAY.

UM, THAT, UH, UM, REAL QUICK, UM, BRIAN, DO YOU KNOW IF ANY MEMBERS OF STAFF HAVE BEEN VISITING HOMES TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE PROJECT IS GOING IN AND WHERE AT? I DO NOT, SIR, THIS WOULD FALL UNDER SCOTT'S, UH, DIVISION.

SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT I WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF THAT.

AND THE REASON I ASKED THIS PERSON HAD MENTIONED SOMEBODY CAME TO THEIR DOOR AND WAS TELLING THEM ABOUT THIS.

AND THIS IS A VERY, NOT EASILY UPSET PERSON WHO WAS DROPPING A LOT OF REALLY BAD LANGUAGE ON ME BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO CUT DOWN ALL THE WOODS BEHIND HER HOUSE, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE BASED ON THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE.

SO I THINK THAT THE PROPER MOVEMENT FORWARD IS TO CONTINUE WITH SURVEYING THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE, LETTING PEOPLE COME IN WITH THEIR COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT THE PROJECT PARAMETERS ARE, SHOW THEM WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, EXPLAIN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE BERMING ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, BEHIND THE DIAL YARDS.

AND THAT THERE'S, THAT WOODS IS MASSIVE.

NOBODY THAT LIVES LIKE BACK ACROSS ON THE CUL-DE-SAC ACROSS FROM MY HOUSE, NOBODY IN THE BACK OF THAT THING IS GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING UP THAT HILL WITH THOSE WOODS IN THE MIDDLE OF, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME BAD INFORMATION GOING AROUND WITH SOME FOLKS THAT, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S REACHED OUT TO ME IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THE PROJECT, INCLUDING FOLKS THAT LIVED IN THAT AREA.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO GATHER INFORMATION, TALK TO PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A PROPER MESSAGE OUT AND PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING IN THERE, SHOW THEM, I EXPECT TOMORROW THAT WE'LL HAVE THE DRAWINGS AVAILABLE AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF THAT SHOW WITH THURSDAY OR THURSDAY.

THAT SHOW THE AERIALS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.

SO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT PERSON WHO SAYS, OH MY GOSH, IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT IN MY BACK YARD AND WE CAN SHOW THEM, NO, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE WOODS HERE.

AND THESE WOODS AREN'T BEING TAKEN DOWN.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S AGAINST THE POINT OF HAVING THE TRAILS THROUGH THE WOODS.

UM, SO I MEAN, AND ONCE I EXPLAINED TO THIS INDIVIDUAL, WHAT THE PROJECT ENTAILED, UM, SHE WAS MUCH HAPPIER WITH IT AND SHE WAS A RESIDENT WHO'S LIVED IN THAT AREA FOR, SINCE SHE WAS A KID AND SHE WROTE THOSE TRAILS.

SO, UM, I STILL WANT TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE PRIZE WITH THAT LOCATION.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOCATION.

I THINK THE PACKAGE WAS PRETTY MUCH DESIGNED FOR THAT LOCATION, WITH THE SLOPE THAT'S THERE, UM, AND WORKS OUT PERFECT.

IT CONNECTS RIGHT INTO THE TRAILS WHERE A LOT OF KIDS GO INTO THE TRAILS.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY POINT OF ACCESS, I WOULD GUESS.

UM, AND I THINK WE JUST CONTINUE TO EDUCATE FOLKS ON WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING IN THERE.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ON WHAT MAY BE THERE.

AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED.

I SEE THE, THE BULK OF THE VOLUME BEING FROM KIDS, RIDING THEIR BIKES AND WHATEVER IT IS, EIGHT BOARDS AND WHATNOT TO THE LOCATION.

I DON'T THINK THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST, BIGGER ISSUE.

WE'LL HAVE SOME, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIG ONE.

I THINK IT'S MOSTLY GOING TO BE KIDS HEADING OVER ON THEIR OWN SO THAT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT.

AGAIN, I SAY WE DRIVE FORWARD WITH THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I'VE RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THAT ONE, NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS.

I'VE HAD POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

AND ONCE I CLARIFY THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROJECT AND SHOWED HER HOW THE LAYOUT LOOKED BASED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAD, UM, SHE WAS GOOD WITH ALL OF IT.

SHE ACTUALLY LIKED IT.

SO, SO I WILL AFFORD IT, EMAIL THAT I GOT FROM A RESIDENT WHO'S, WHO'S GOING TO BE, I THINK, HERE ON THURSDAY, UM, WITH A LIST OF SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AND PROBLEMS AND CONCERNS.

I GOT THAT THIS AFTERNOON.

I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE I GET THAT.

GET THAT OFF THE COUNCIL.

UH, YEAH.

WE DROVE OUT AGAIN TODAY TO THE AREA AND DOWN A LONGTERM AND, AND DROVE AROUND THERE.

UM, BUT I, I JUST WONDER HOW FAR WE SURVEYED THE PEOPLE AROUND THERE, BECAUSE IT IS SO EXPANSIVE.

LIKE, LIKE GLEN SAID, IT'S, IT'S A VERY EXPANSIVE,

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IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE MORE THAN WHAT LIVE RIGHT THERE AT LONGFORD AND DIAL.

UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE AWARE OF WITH WHAT'S COMING ON AND I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH GLEN THAT I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVING THEIR KIDS THERE, UH, FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

THEY WON'T ALL BE COMING FROM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THERE.

SO I THINK THERE WILL BE, AND THEY'LL COME FROM OUT OF TOWN EVEN.

SO, UM, I, I THINK PARKING IS A, IS A REAL CONSIDERATION.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF DDC, UH, PROVIDING $375,000 INSTEAD OF THE CITY PROVIDING, UH, THE MONEY FOR THE ALTERNATE, UH, LOCATION.

I ALSO LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE, UM, INFORMATION, SOME MORE SKETCHES OR WHATEVER ON THAT PROPOSAL, I THINK, UH, THAT MAYBE IF WE HAD SOMETHING, UM, AND IT KIND OF CONCEPTUAL DRAWING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER EVALUATE THE OPTIONS AGAINST, I THINK EVEN THE ACTUAL TRAIL PIECE, I DON'T THINK IT CHANGED THAT BECAUSE THAT THOSE WOODS IS WHAT CONNECTS.

BUT HOW IT FITS IN WITH THAT DDC DEVELOPMENT AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP JUST A SATELLITE VIEW OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW WHERE WE'RE, IT'S GOING TO BE IN HOW IT'S GOING TO CONNECT IT TO DIE.

WE HAVE THIS TOWN HALL THURSDAY, SO, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME, BUT CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED SHOW UP MORE THAN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE, WHO WERE OKAY.

SPREADING IT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKING THINGS MAYBE NOT JAMMING IT UP QUITE SO CLOSE TO ALL THOSE RESIDENCES ON DIAL AND ON LONG FIRM, BUT PUTTING IT OUT THROUGHOUT THAT PARK ON, UH, THE NEWLY DEVELOPED AREA FROM THAT DEVELOPER, CAUSE THE TWO PROPERTIES ACTUALLY TOUCH.

AND YOU JUST, IF WE'RE TALKING TO FRANKLY HERE, I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THING HAS BEEN BEING TALKED ABOUT SINCE 2019 AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONE THERE.

WHO'S NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THIS.

SO THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO YEARS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHOSE FIRST THEY'RE HEARING A NOTICE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE SEND THEM IN THE MAIL.

I THINK, I THINK WE CERTAINLY DROPPED THE BALL THERE IN REGARDS TO NOTIFYING PEOPLE WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT THE POTENTIAL WAS THERE.

UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE, HAVE THE TOWN HALL, I'LL SEND AN EMAIL, BUT I LOOK, I MEAN, I HAVE BIGGER EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS PARK THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME LOCAL NEIGHBORHOODS KIDS COME AND RUN IN THERE.

I MEAN, AT THAT PARK IS GOING TO GO, WE WANT IT TO BE PUMP TRACKS, THE PLAYGROUND, THE BIKE, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, THERE'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO DRAW AND ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE TRASH.

AND YOU GOT, HAVE YOU GOT PARKING SPACES FOR 20 PEOPLE NOW I'M TELLING YOU WE'RE IN TROUBLE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE BECAUSE, AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T LIVE IN PARK ON, ON LONGFORD.

I MEAN, SO YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET COMING UP OR DOWN.

IF YOU START ALLOWING PARKING ON, ON DIAL CROSSING IT, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE FRUSTRATED AND MAD.

UM, SO ANY PARKING THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, YOU'RE HAVE TO PUT IT INSIDE OF THE PARK SPACE ITSELF, WHICH THEN REDUCES AND SHRINKS THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE ACTUAL AMENITIES INSIDE THE PARK.

SO I, I JUST DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO MISS THE BALL ON THIS AND, AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT INTO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REALLY SPECTACULAR.

UM, SO AGAIN, I, IT'S MY OPINION.

IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

IT'S ABOUT LOCATION.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION.

NOT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANKS.

NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO, UM, THE ONE COMMENT I HAVE ON THE, THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS WERE PROVIDED, UM, WAS ONE ADDRESS BY SCOTT.

AND NOW WAS THAT WE WERE UP WAY TOO CLOSE ON THOSE, UM, DIAL DRIVE PROPERTIES WITH THE PUMP TRACK RIGHT UP AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY LINES.

SCOTT MENTIONED, MOVING OUT AWAY FROM THERE AND CREATING SOME KIND OF BUFFER.

THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE NEED FOR PUTTING IN PARKING AND JUST, UM, PLANNING TERMS AS POSSIBLE.

WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF IN WHAT I WOULD CALL THE CLEARED AREA OF THAT PARK.

SO TO ME, IT'S LIKE AROUND JAM A PARKING LOT IN THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE PUMP TRACK AROUND AND PUT IN THE BICYCLE, UH, PLAYGROUND ALL IN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE CLEARED AREA UP THERE.

SO IF I'M READING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CORRECTLY, THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY FROM THAT DEVELOPER, ALONG WITH THE MONEY THAT THERMOMETER TOSS OUT US TO CREATE THAT PARK, TO ME SOUNDS LIKE AT LEAST BE WORTH EXPLORING,

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YEAH, I WAS JUST IN HERE, BUT THEY, THE TWO, THE TWO PROPERTIES ACTUALLY THEY TOUCH EACH OTHER.

AND HOW DOES THAT FIT DOES NOT FIT IN WITH A VIEW OF THE REGIONAL BIKE PLAN.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TYING IT DOWN TO, UH, UH, RIVER CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH PART OF THAT PART OF THE MONEY IN THE, IN THE DDC PLANE AND THE DEVELOPED PLAN, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS TO EXPAND THE BIKE PATH, GETTING IT OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ON TO CHAMBERSBURG AND THEN DOWN CHAMBERSBURG ACROSS RIP WRAP INTO THAT INTO THE MIAMI KENT WHERE THE, THE MIAMI TRAIL CORRECT.

AND THEN PART OF THAT, PART OF THAT TIFF FUNDS DOWN THERE, IT HELPS, YOU KNOW, CHAMBERSBURG GETS KIND OF ALL REDONE THROUGH THERE ON THE MAX LEVEL ALL THE WAY UP TO HARSHER.

SO, SO LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE, ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING ALONG CHAMBERSBURG ALONG THAT SITE.

JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT ON THAT WOULD JUST BE THE, I, I LOVE THE LOOK OF THE, UM, UM, CONCEPT DRAWINGS THAT THEY PROVIDED.

I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF CRAMMING IT TO GET A PARKING LOT IN AND ADD A BUFFER IF A MAN'S DOWNSIZING OR JAMMING IT DOWN AND JUST TO MAKE IT FIT IN A CLEARED AREA.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE AGAIN, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS UP THERE, I THINK WE OWE IT TO THEM NOT TO PUT IT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCE LINE, BUT ALSO IF WE CAN SPREAD IT OUT DOWN THROUGH THERE AND KEEP IT AS BIG AS WHAT I'M SEEING ON THOSE CONCEPT DRAWINGS, I WOULD BE MY, MY VISION FOR THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT STAY BIG AND ON ATTRACTION.

GOOD.

UM, HEY, EVERY OTHER PARK IN HUBER HEIGHTS, A BUTTS, A HOMES, UH, B I HEAR I'M HEARING WORDS, CRAMMING, JAMMING.

UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE ACREAGE THAT DDC IS LOOKING TO DONATE VERSUS THE OPEN ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE ON THAT HILL? HOW DIFFERENT ARE THEY? BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS CRAMMING JAMMING LANGUAGE.

THAT'S NOT A SMALL PIECE OF PART.

WELL, YOU'VE SEEN THE DRAWING FOR, TO BE CRAMMED IN IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING.

AND THOSE BACKSIDE TRAILS ARE LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE FENCE LINE OF THOSE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS.

NOW WE ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE HAVE LOTS OF PARKS IN THE CITY THAT ABOUT PROPERTY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED KIDS A WEEKEND RIDING BIKES AND YOU RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THEIR BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE TOWN HALL.

WE'LL SEE WHAT, WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE.

I MEAN, I, I SUSPECT WE'LL SEE SOME, BUT I MEAN, JUST WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING WITHOUT PARKING, IT'S, IT'S A LOT IN THERE ALREADY.

YOU MOVE PARKING INTO THE PARK.

NOW YOU, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO MINIMIZE, YOU'RE GOING TO SQUEEZE.

WHAT'S ALREADY THERE EVEN SMALLER.

AND LET THE TOTAL ACREAGE, BRIAN, THAT DDC IS GIVING US IS 30 ACRES AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

WHAT IS THERE ABOUT THE OPEN CLEARED AREA THAT PARK? IS IT MAYBE SIX? UH, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU I'D HAVE TO GET THE DRAWING UP, BUT THERE, WHAT WOULD BASICALLY BE THE WE'LL CALL IT THE, THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CHAMBERSBURG PROPERTY, THE DDC ROAD.

SO WHERE, UH, SANDAL VIEW DEAD ENDS THAT'S THE NORTHERN PORTION WOULD BE THE LARGEST OPEN SECTION OF THE 30 ACRES, BUT THE 30 ACRES IN AND OF THEMSELVES EFFECTIVELY ENVELOPS THE ACTUAL 287 HOMES.

SO THOSE KIND OF SIT IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN THE 30 ACRES WOULD, WOULD COME OUR WAY.

I THINK IT'S AT THE START OF PHASE.

TWO OF THE SUBDIVISION, I THINK IS WHEN THEY WOULD DONATE THAT.

IF I REMEMBER THE AGREEMENT CORRECTLY, ANY OTHER? YES.

GOING TO BE A DESTINATION POINT FOR US, FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO RIDE A SKATEBOARD OR DO THOSE PUMP BIKES, NOT SOMEBODY WITH OLD FRAGILE BONES LIKE ME.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS HAVING A LOT OF PARKING, NOTHING'S WORSE THAN GOING TO SOMEPLACE AND STRUGGLE TO PARK.

WE'VE ALL WENT TO A SMALL COMMUNITY.

WE GET DOWNTOWN RESTAURANT, WE'VE HAD TO STRUGGLE TO FIND PARKING.

UM, YEAH, THE THING IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTE MONEY AND HE'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING LAND.

AND WITH THIS OTHER SUGGESTION THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD TONIGHT WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE BIKE TRAILS, THE COMMUNITY BIKE TRAILS.

THAT'S A HUGE ASSET.

AND IF ALL THAT COULD GO TOGETHER, OKAY, YOU STAY HERE AND BIKE, I'M GOING TO GO WALK ON THIS OTHER, LIKE, WE CAN PROBABLY STILL DO SOMETHING TO DIAL, BUT IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SCALED BACK AND MOVE THE BIKE PARK BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LARGE ATTRACTION.

IT'S

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I MEAN, I MEAN, AND THAT'S ALL THE CASE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE MY DATA BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A BOATLOAD OF PARKING THERE.

AND IF IT'S A HUGE CROWD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE.

PARKING NEXT TO THE, AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING THERE, OR REALLY NOT FIND PEOPLE PARKING IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH PARKING THERE.

YOU REALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE PARKING.

OH YEAH.

I IMAGINE THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SUITABLE TO USE THAT UTILIZE THE, THE CHURCH PARKING LOT.

UM, AND GOING THROUGH AND HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOLS, HAVING THE APPROPRIATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES WHO CAME HERE AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

AND THEY'RE ONLY REALLY USED ONE DAY A WEEK AND THEY HAVE MEETING SOME OF THE TIMES THE KIDS ARE GOING TO, OR PRESCHOOL RICHARD.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S WAITING ON ME OR JUST GOING, GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS HERE, BRIAN.

UM, CAN YOU PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, THE PARKING DIAGRAM THAT WAS DONE FOR THIS PART? UH, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DRAWING.

UM, OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT I KNOW FROM OTHER BEING ONE IN THE PACKET, I KNOW FROM THE LAST DISCUSSION, UH, STAFF, WASN'T GOING TO PRESENT TONIGHT, UM, A DIAGRAM AND A PARKING DISCUSSION.

AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T, THAT WAS NOT INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING.

SO MY APOLOGIES, SIR.

UM, THAT'S AN THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR MANY TOMORROW.

UM, WELL, TOMORROW AND THURSDAY, UM, BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A, UM, A COUPLE OF, UH, UM, HOUSE MEETINGS SET UP WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WHO I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH, UH, SINCE 2015 AND 2016.

AND DURING THIS COUNCIL'S FIRST DISCUSSION IN APRIL OF 2017.

UM, SO THE FACT OF MOVING THE LOCATION, UM, I THINK JUST CONTINUES.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S STAFF OR, OR MAYOR, THEY CONTINUE SLOW ROLL INTO THIS PROJECT.

UM, I MEAN, HOLD ON.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE NOT MY, MY QUESTIONS.

THESE ARE QUESTIONS OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO'S CAME IN.

THERE IS NOBODY SLOW ROLL ON THIS.

IN FACT, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA THROW THAT OUT, YOU GUYS HAVE SAID YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE 20 19, 20 15, 20 16, WITH WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF YOU GUYS BRINGING THIS UP TO ME AT A COUNCIL MEETING, WE WERE VOTING ON THIS AND APPROVING IT WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

SO I WANT TO HEAR IT LIVE, SLOW, ROLL THIS.

YOU GUYS WILL WORK ON THIS FOR TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS.

WELL, I HAVE A SLOW ROLL.

NOTHING.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW IS GENERAL CONCERNS.

PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS NOT BEING ENOUGH AND PARKING IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

SO AMERICAN NEWS SHOW ME THE PARKING DIAGRAM THAT WAS ASKED BY STAFF.

SCOTT IS ON VACATION THIS WEEK, WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS PROVIDED THAT HE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE SCOTT.

SO IT WAS ON THE MEETING AGENDA TONIGHT AS AN UPDATE.

BUT I KNOW BASED ON CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HADN'T REACHED OUT TO ME, I REACHED OUT TO BRIAN SAID, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE I'M ON RECORD.

I WILL SAY, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.

I THINK IT'S AN APPLICATION.

NOW, THAT'S MY OPINION.

I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

YOU GUYS CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT DO NOT CAN ACT.

I'M TRYING TO SLOW ROLL THIS OR STAPH A SLOW ROLL IN IT BECAUSE IT WAS BEEN GOING ON.

APPARENTLY FOR THREE YEARS, I HEARD ABOUT IT IN TWO WEEKS AND THIS COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE IT.

THAT'S NOT ON ME.

I APPRECIATE THAT OPINION MIRROR.

UM, THAT'S FACT, THAT'S NOT OPINION.

I, I DO LOOK AT THE FAVORIBILITY OF THIS PARK AS THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES OF OWNERSHIP, UH, IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS.

UH, I WOULD SAY THE ONLY NEGATIVE CONCERN I HAD WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT, UM, UH, EMAILED ME IN AND I CALLED HIM TODAY, UH, DOWN ON SANDAL VIEW.

UM, HE ASKED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THAT LAND AREAS DEVELOPED, UM, THAT THERE'D BE SOME, UH, SOME BUFFERING THERE, UM, UH, FOR HIS, UH, FOR HIS FAMILY AND HIS DAUGHTER.

UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, THE ONLY NEGATIVE I HAVE.

UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT EMAIL THIS EVENING.

I'LL ADD THAT TO MY LIST OF HOME VISITS TOMORROW, UM, AND FOLLOW UP WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE COMING ON THURSDAY TO SPEAK VERY POSITIVELY ON THIS PARK.

UM, AS FAR AS THE DDC PARK, UH, POTENTIAL.

THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT A GREAT ASSET, UH, TO, TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, HOWEVER, I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, UM, NOT REALLY GERMANE TO THIS, THIS TOPIC OF CONVERSATION OR THIS PARK.

UM, AND YES, THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE BECAUSE THE STEPS WERE DONE CORRECTLY,

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AND SO WE WERE MOVING THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION, I'M BEING DISTRACTED BY SOMETHING.

AND SO THAT, THAT INCENSES IS WE'RE, WE'RE WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONTINUING, UM, THOSE RESIDENTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE HERE, UM, AT CITY HALL OR EMAIL.

UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, WHY I WASN'T CONTACTED REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THIS PUBLIC MEETING OR THIS TOWN HALL, UM, TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT AND FACILITATE SOME OF THAT.

I COULDN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TO THOSE RESIDENTS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE, UH, WE DO GET MORE TURNOUT THAN WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST TOWN HALL.

I THINK THERE WAS WHAT FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE HERE.

SO HOPEFULLY WE DO GET A BETTER TURNOUT.

UM, AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POSITIVE NATURE OF THIS.

I AM A BIT CONCERNED THAT WE'RE COMING TO A TOWN HALL ON THURSDAY AND WE'VE GOT NO PARKING DIAGRAM, UM, THAT WAS PROMISED TO THIS COUNCIL HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AND, UM, I AM A BIT CONCERNED THAT I DID ASK, UM, UH, THROUGH A PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D BE, UH, UM, HAVE SOME OF REGARDING THE TOWN HALL AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

UM, SO THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS.

UH, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO WHAT IT WISHES TO DO, UH, WITH, WITH, OR WITHOUT MY, UH, YOU KNOW, STATEMENTS OR OBJECTIONS OR, UH, SUPPORT.

UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I FIND THAT, UH, FIND THAT VERY UNFORTUNATE AND THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MARY.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT DIAL THE DIAL PARK PROPERTY AND, UH, AND SOME TYPE OF A BICYCLE AMENITY HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION PUBLICLY FOR SOME TIME, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE YOUNG MAN THAT, UM, LAST TIME HE WAS HERE SAT RIGHT OVER HERE.

UM, THAT, THAT YOUNG MAN, WHEN HE FIRST CAME TO SPEAK TO US THAT NIGHT, THAT WAS WHAT HE MENTIONED WAS THE DIAL PART PROPERTY AS BEING, THAT'S WHY HE CAME, WAS BECAUSE OF THAT DEL PARK PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE HAD MENTIONED IS BEING A GOOD LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT HIM INTO THIS WAS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD HAD AT PARKS AND REC MEETINGS AND JOSH KINGS PRESENTATIONS OF PARKS AND REC AND, AND THOSE OTHER CONVERSATIONS.

SO THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR SOME TIME, MIND YOU, THE PARK THING ITSELF REALLY DIDN'T START UNTIL 2019 WHEN JOSH KING.

AND I WENT DOWN TO THE MIAMI VALLEY BIKING ASSOCIATIONS, ANNUAL SUMMIT, UH, MIAMISBURG.

BUT, UM, I WORKED WITH SUE GUN ALLEN 20 THROUGH 2017 INTO 2018 TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE PURPOSE.

AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT, WHICH IS WHY, UM, JOSH WAS INVOLVED IN WORKING WITH MAMBA AND SOME OTHER CYCLING COMMUNITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WAS FOR THE WHOLE POINT AND PURPOSE OF, OF A BIKE AMENITY THERE.

UM, SO IT TO SAY THAT THIS IS A NEW SUBJECT, IT CERTAINLY IS.

AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND IT'S BEEN VERY PUBLIC FOR AWHILE.

UM, AND I, AND I ALSO JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S TAKING A LOT LONGER FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THERE.

THEN THEN OFTEN MOST OF THE TIME HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO, BUT I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS AT THAT.

AND I AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT OR NOT, FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO IT.

COUNSELORS ARE GOING TO DO, I KNOW SCOTT IS ON VACATION, BRIAN, BUT, UM, COULD YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM PLEASE AND MAKE SURE OR FIND OUT WHAT THE STATUS OF MS. SCOTT'S THE ONE WHO SCHEDULED THE TOWN HALL? SURE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL AGREE WITH RICHARD, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO HAVE SEEN SOME TYPE OF PARKING DIAGRAM ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD DO AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO THE REST OF THE AMENITIES AND THE CLEAR SPACE UP THERE.

I WILL, UM, HE WAS EXPECTING A FOLLOW-UP FROM ME TOMORROW MORNING, UM, ANYWAY, FROM THIS MEETING.

SO I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK WITH HIM ABOUT THE PARKING DIAGRAM AND, AND WHERE THAT WAS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE OR SOMETHING THAT'S DEMONSTRATED IN TIME FOR THE TOWN HALL.

I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.

I PROBABLY WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD AT LEAST A BASIC PRESENTATION.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET WITH JOSH AND GET SOME INFORMATION, AT LEAST WE CAN PUT UP ON THE MONITOR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE, AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT, THAT DIAGRAM FOR AVAILABLE.

I THINK GOD THAT'S DESIGNED.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT SOME, YOU KNOW, PUT ON FACEBOOK BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN, SO CERTAINLY NEED TO HAVE THAT.

BEEN SCOTT AND I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, THERE'S NOT A DEFINITIVE REQUIREMENT FOR PARK PARKING WITHIN THE CODE.

BUT, BUT THE KEY PIECE THAT IS THE PARKING OVERLAY IN THERE AND WHAT THAT DOES TO THE OVERALL, RIGHT.

ALL BIKE TRACK.

I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE HAS

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AND SO HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH, HOW MUCH IS TOO LITTLE AND, AND WHAT'S GOLDILOCKS, UH, FOR, FOR ANY PARK PROJECT.

SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONCERN THAT SCOTT HAS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAD ANY BEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS, OR WAS NOT A DRAWING AVAILABLE FOR, FOR TONIGHT, BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE A CONVERSATION TOMORROW AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO AT LEAST HAVE INPUT.

EVEN IF IT'S NOT A, A FROM DRAWING, AT LEAST THERE'S SOME KIND OF CONCEPT THAT WE CAN DESCRIBE FOR THURSDAY.

SO W WHAT THAT CONVERSATION, MARK, AND THEN, UH, THERE IS SOME PRECEDENT ON PARKING.

IS THERE NOT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT I COULDN'T ANSWER, SIR, THERE IS IT'S FISH, BIRD, REMNANTS.

MANITA IS A NOT, OH, THERE'S PARKING LOT.

MANY OF THEY USED TO BE MUNICIPAL POOL.

IT WAS A WHITE POOL.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT SKATE PARK AND WE'RE PLANNING ON PARKING, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO MAYBE WE COULD START THERE.

I CAN COUNT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THERE, AND THAT MIGHT BE HOW MANY SPACES WE NEED.

NUMBER TWO, UNTIL TODAY, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THIS, CORRECT.

UM, I WAS FOR THE PROJECT.

I'M STILL FOR THE PROJECT, TWO ISSUES.

YOU'VE BROUGHT UP AS PARKING AND THE NEIGHBORS.

THOSE ARE STILL THE SAME, TWO CONCERNS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST NAME, ONE OF THE MEETINGS WE TALK ABOUT SENDING NOTICES OUT, I THINK 200 FEET.

ARE WE STILL GOING TO DO THAT OR HAVE WE DONE IT? I BELIEVE THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY BAD ADVERTISING AFFECT THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WAS SET OUT? THERE WAS SOME TIMELESS NOTICE IT STARTED COMING IN FRIDAY.

RESIDENTS STARTED GETTING THEM FRIDAY.

SO THAT MIGHT INCREASE THE ATTENDANCE THAT NOTICE, UM, AT THAT TOWN HALL YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE.

SO IF, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR WE'LL KNOW BY THURSDAY.

THE PARKING, WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY SPACES, CORRECT.

I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, LOOK THAT'S THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS THE UNKNOWN, BUT I'D RATHER OKAY.

THE BEST.

I REMEMBER THE PARK ON BENITA 700,000, THE PARK ON DOLLAR 600,000.

SO IF WE USE THAT AS A THUMBNAIL, THEN WE WANT TO HAVE ALL STREET PARKING.

W WE WANT SCOTT TO DO A DIAGRAM.

CORRECT? RIGHT.

SO THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BASE COUNT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AT MONETA.

AND THEN HOW COULD WE IMPOSE THAT NUMBER OF SPACES ONTO, OR INCORPORATE TO DIAL PARK SO THAT WE HAVE SIMILAR.

AND TOMORROW'S WEDNESDAY.

SO WE HAVE TILL THURSDAY TO PRODUCE THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

IS THAT A DIRECTION TO GO? I THINK WE HAVE.

I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A WORKING DIAGRAM.

IS THAT A DIRECTION? AND I THINK WHAT YOU AND RICHARD SAY AND WHAT YOU AND RICHARD THINK DOES MATTER, IT DOES TO ME.

SO TO SAY THAT YOUR VOICES ARE INDEPENDENT AND DOESN'T MATTER, THAT'S, THAT'S UNTRUE AS FAR AS FOR ME, EVERYONE ELSE CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'VE ADVOCATED THIS AMENITY.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH NEIGHBORS, WE DO NEED TO KNOW THAT.

AND IF THERE'S A PARKING ELEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, LET'S ADD IT.

SO THE PARKING GRADE DIAGRAM IS GOING TO BE KEY FOR THE TOWN HALL AND HOW, AND HOW THE PARKING LOT ON, IN THE ACTUAL PARK AFFECTS THE DESIGN OR THE LAYOUT OF THE MINUTE.

DOES IT TAKE FROM IT? DOES IT ADD TO IT? BECAUSE THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE MOVED, IF, IF IT'S MOVED IS THE PUMP TRACK AND THE, UM, AND THE BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.

CAUSE THE, THE BIKING TRAILS ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN THE WOODS.

YOU DON'T SEE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, EVEN IN THE EXISTING DRAWING OR DIAGRAM.

CAUSE I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE WOODS.

SO THOSE TWO PROPERTIES IN THAT, WHAT WOULD BE MOVED DOWN WOULD BE THE PUMP TRACK AND THEN THE BIKE PLAYGROUND.

SO, SO WE HAVE HISTORY ON BERMS AND FENCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, SO WE BUILT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TOWN

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HALLS.

I'M NOT SURE WE CALL IT A TOWN HALL BACK THEN, BUT WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS COME IN AND TALK TO US ALL IT'S MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

ONCE WE IDENTIFY WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO DO IT'S MONEY.

I THINK NOBODY HERE HAS OBJECTED TO THE, HAS OBJECTED TO THE MONEY.

WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW, FOR AT IT.

IF WE HAD A BERM AND A FENCE, IT'S MORE MONEY.

IF WE HAD PARKING IT'S, IT'S MORE MONEY AND THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR PROBLEM IS TONIGHT.

IT'S FIGURING OUT THE BEST PLACE TO SHOWCASE THEM IN YOUR OPINION DOES MATTER TO ME.

THAT'S ALL.

RICHARD, THANK YOU.

UH, FIRST, UH, MR. CAMPBELL, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, THE SECOND, UM, UH, BRIAN, UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT, UM, UH, SINCE THE NOTICE THAT WENT OUT, UH, STATED THAT, UH, THE CITY HAS CALLED, UM, THIS TOWN HALL THAT THE PARKS MANAGER WILL BE GIVING A PRESENTATION ON THURSDAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT, UM, JOSH WILL BE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS A PRESENTATION PREPARED OR WHETHER OR NOT HE'S PLANNING TO PREPARE A PRESENTATION, BUT EITHER WAY WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION AVAILABLE WHETHER OR NOT HE'S ALREADY CREATED IT OR IT'S WORKING ON IT OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO START IT TOMORROW MORNING.

THERE'LL BE ONE READY TO GO FOR, UH, FOR THURSDAY NIGHT AT THE TOWN HALL, BECAUSE I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WITH THE PARKING DIAGRAM WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SEE HERE TONIGHT, UM, THAT, UM, WITH US BEING APART, HE'S THE PARKS MANAGER.

UM, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY SCHEDULED THE TOWN HALL SET THE POSTCARD THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE STAFF MEMBER FACILITATING, UM, THE, THE TOWN HALL, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNBIASED FACTUAL INFORMATION DOES GET OUT ON THIS.

UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO, UM, TO CLARIFY THAT FOR ME TOMORROW BY EMAIL, IF POSSIBLE SURE.

WHETHER OR NOT JOSH HAS A PRESENTATION, IF HE'LL BE FACILITATING.

I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH ALL OF COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF A PRESENTATION WOULD BE PERFECT.

AND IF THERE IS A PRESENTATION, UM, UH, OR ANY DIAGRAMS, UM, I WOULD, UM, I KNOW, UM, THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION I WAS GOING TO HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UM, DURING MY LAST SIDEBAR WITH HIM AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT BEFORE THE, IF IT'S AVAILABLE BEFORE THE EVENT, WE'LL MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE BEFORE THE EVENT.

UM, YES.

UM, I SAW THAT THE MEETING WAS ANNOUNCED ON THE, UH, ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND THAT THE, UH, AND THAT THE CARDS WENT OUT.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE MAKING, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORD, GETTING OUT ABOUT THE MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, RICHARD AND GLEN, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO, TO, UH, LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING ON AS FAR AS USING, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA OR, OR HAVING MEETINGS OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

WELL, THANK YOU, MARY.

UH, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN FILLING IN SEVERAL EMAILS, UH, THAT HAS GONE OUT IN AN EMAIL BLAST.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I HAVE, UH, SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS AND HOME VISITS TOMORROW WITH THOSE, UH, THOSE NEIGHBORS, UM, BECAUSE OF MY, UM, I GUESS COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS.

UH, MOST OF THEM, I DO HAVE, UM, SOME EMAILS FOR, UH, SOME PHONE NUMBERS.

LIKE I SAID, THERE'S BEEN SOME OWNERSHIP CHANGES.

UM, SO, UH, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, UH, INITIALLY I KNOW THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB THROUGH SARAH WILLIAMS, UH, PUTTING THAT, UH, THAT NOTICE OUT, UM, TO ALL OF THE SAME SOCIAL MEDIA SITES THAT I WOULD.

UM, SO YEAH.

WELL, YOU JUST INDICATED THAT WE'D DONE A POOR JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT.

OH, NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS THE LAST TOWN HALL THAT WAS SCHEDULED.

OH YEAH, NO, NOT THIS ONE.

NO, I EXPECT THIS ONE TO HAVE QUITE A BIT MORE POSITIVITY.

HAS SOMETHING AVAILABLE, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SKETCHED.

WELL, I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE SHOW UP, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE ONE WAY OR THERE NO, I FEEL IT'S GOING TO BE VERY POSITIVE, BUT YES.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WHEN WE WERE PUTTING IN THE DOG PARK, WE DID EXTENSIVE RESEARCH INTO POSSIBLE LOCATIONS.

THE PARK AND REC, UH, DEPARTMENT WENT OUT AND SURVEYED ALL THE AREAS AND, AND, UH, IT DID GO WHERE WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT MIGHT GO.

SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO, UH, FIND A BETTER LOCATION, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAYS.

AND, AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO ALWAYS EVALUATE SEVERAL OPTIONS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SETTLE ON THE RIGHT SOLUTION.

UM, WHAT ARE THE THINGS I MIGHT RECOMMEND AS FAR AS PARKING? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE, BRIAN, BUT, UH, WE MIGHT, UH, REFER TO ODIE AND R TO SEE IF THEY HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ON, ON PARKING FOR THE PARTICULAR USES.

AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE TOMORROW BASED ON THE TURNAROUND, UNLESS SCOTT

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SO TOO, I'M JUST THINKING OF MR. YOU KNOW, MR. CAMPBELL'S COMMENT, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THE COMPARISON TO MONETA? UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN TAKE A QUICK, UM, CAD SHOT OF POWELL ROAD, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD WE TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS AND TRY AND OVERLAY THAT INTO A DIGITAL PHOTO? SO AT LEAST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THURSDAY'S DISCUSSION, WE'LL TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO FORM, UH, GENERATE IN HOUSE, UH, THROUGH MR. BERGMAN OR WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REACH OUT TO A, TO A PARTNER AND HAVE THAT, THAT CAD CAD AND REAL QUICK, W WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO WE'LL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DISCUSSION ON THURSDAY, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING, BUT, UM, WILL IT BE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WILL BE NECESSARY, UH, W ONLY TIME AND THERE MIGHT NOT, THERE SHOULD BE, UM, OTHER SIMILAR SITES THAT WE CAN, UH, EVALUATE MORE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY REQUIRE, UH, WHEN THEY BUILD THEIR PARKS.

SO, I MEAN, IT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW COUNCIL WOULD, WOULD GO ABOUT OR HOW THE CITY WOULD GO ABOUT DETERMINING WHAT THAT SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, PARKING NUMBER SHOULD BE, BUT RIGHT.

TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, KETTERING, THEY HAVE THEIR PARK, RIGHT.

BUT THE PARKING THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANSIVE BECAUSE IT HAS ALL KINDS OF OTHER RECREATIONAL USES.

SO OF THE 300 PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE, OFF OF, UH, RIGHT DEL CO HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE REALLY JUST DEDICATED TO, UH, THE BIKE, RIGHT.

SO HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, WHEN POWELL ROAD WAS BUILT, JUST BECAUSE I HAD MENTIONED IT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, WHAT WAS THAT INTENDED PURPOSE IN? WHAT WERE THOSE SPACES FOR? RIGHT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST QUESTIONS THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOMEBODY WHO'S VERSED IN PLANNING AND ENGINEERING, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER, AND UNFORTUNATELY I CAN ONLY OFFER CONCEPTUAL THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE LINES.

WE JUST DRAW THE LINES TO SHOW WHAT WE WANT, BUT SO WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU, MAN.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TOMORROW MORNING WITH WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MR. BERGMAN OR, OR SOMEONE ELSE TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, IS THERE A REFERENCE THAT, THAT YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF, UM, IN O DNR OR WHEREVER, ANY RESOURCE THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN AT LEAST PUTTING TOGETHER SOMETHING? SO LIKE COMMUNITY PART, CAUSE ONE OF THE GREAT, I, ONE OF THE GREATEST PARKS THAT WE HAVE, BUT YOU HAVE AN EVENT THERE WITH MORE THAN 15 PEOPLE AND REPORT THEY'RE PARKED ON THE STREET, RIGHT.

IN CHAMBERSBURG, BUT YOU'RE PARKED ON THE ROAD ON THE PATH INSIDE THE BOOK BECAUSE THERE'S CAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, THAT COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING, UM, FOOD, TRUCK EVENTS THERE, CAUSE IT'S KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE TOWN AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, ON, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY'S HAVING ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE.

BUT I THINK THE REASON WE DON'T IS THERE'S NO PLACE FOR EVERYBODY TO PARK.

ONCE YOU GET PAST 15 PEOPLE OR YOU'RE ON THE ROAD, YOU GOT THE FOOTBALL GAMES THAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE.

THEY'D PEOPLE GONNA PARK OVER TO STUDEBAKER AND WALK DOWN THROUGH THE PATH BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK TO GO TO THE SPORTING AND THIS AND THAT, BUT ON THE FIELD, DOWN THERE FOR THE LILY.

UM, SO I THINK PARKING IS AN ISSUE.

I THINK THAT I THINK LOOKING AT THIS PARK, LOOKING AT THIS AMENITY, WHAT ALL IT INVOLVES, WHAT ALL IT OFFERS, DOWNPLAYING THE POPULARITY OF THIS AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING FROM TO COME HERE.

I SHOULDN'T BE ON RECORD THINKING.

THAT'S A MISTAKE BY DOWNPLAYING HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VISIT AND HOW MUCH AND HOW MUCH PARKING IS GOING TO BE NEEDED.

UM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT COME ONCE WON'T COME BACK IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK AND IT'S AN ISSUE AND THEY GOTTA PARK SOMEWHERE WAY DOWN THE STREET.

UM, AND, AND, AND WALK UP THERE OR, OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS, THE SUREFIRE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T COME BACK.

CAUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PARK WHEN THEY BRING THEIR KIDS AND I DON'T WANT TO UNDERESTIMATE THE POPULARITY OF THIS AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE LIKED AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE VIEWED.

AND I THINK AN ATTRACTION IS GOING BE GONNA DRAW PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO GET THAT INTO UNDER WRAPS.

I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

OTHERWISE WE WILL HEAR ABOUT, HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S GOT THIS GREAT PARK, GREAT BIKE COMMUNITY, BUT DON'T GO BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK WHEN YOU GET THERE, DROP HER KIDS OFF.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.

SO WHERE THIS IS AT, UM, WAS MOVED TO A SECOND READING.

SO ON MONDAY, THIS MONDAY COUNCIL MEETING, AFTER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE, UH, THE TOWN HALL, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AT THE, IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE IT WAS MOVED TO A SECOND READING.

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UM, SO W SOME ACTION WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN ON MONDAY, WHETHER IT'S APPROVED, WHETHER IT'S, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER DESIGN, LET'S SAY A THIRD READING.

SO WE HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT, UH, WHAT ANOTHER OPTION MAY BE, BUT POSTPONE ACTION INDEFINITELY, WHICH BASICALLY STOPS THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO BRING SOMETHING NEW FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.

SO THERE'S ALL OF THAT.

WELL, ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS IS THAT NOBODY, NOBODY INCLUDING ME, THE SLOW ROLL, ANYTHING HERE, I WANT THE BEST AMENITY AND THE BEST LOCATION THAT PROVIDES FOR THE MOST EASE OF ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AND ENJOY IT.

THAT IS THAT'S THE GOAL HERE.

SO, UH, ANYBODY WHO WATCHES THIS RECORDING OR, OR IS LISTENING NOW, UM, I HAVE EVERY INTENTION ON PROMOTING THIS PROJECT TO GET IT FORWARD THROUGH THE FINISH LINE.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE BEST SERVICE THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN, UH, IN THE, IN THE MEANTIME.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS A LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER 0 3 2 0 7 0 3 0 3 0 0 AT BOB EVANS AT 76 70 BRAND.

SO W IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY FOR, FOR SOME TYPE OF ACTION AND DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO, HOW YOU WANT TO TAKE IT FROM THERE.

BE PROBABLY BASED ON SOME INFORMATION WE GET WITH TOWN HALL AND THE PARKING ISSUE.

SO, OKAY.

[ Liquor Permit #03207030300 - Bob Evans - 7670 Brandt Pike]

THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD.

I'M GLAD YOU DO THAT.

THE MAJORITY OF THAT.

SO AS THE MAYOR STATED, THIS IS A, UH, APPLICATION FOR A NEW LIQUOR PERMIT FOR BOB EVANS ON BRAND PIKE.

UH, WE'VE HAD THIS REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS.

THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS LIQUOR PERMIT.

AND IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH WE WOULD, UH, PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, UH, FOR A MOTION TO, UH, NOT, UM, ASK THE STATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO OPPOSE THE GRANTING OF THIS PARTICULAR LIQUOR.

THAT'S LIKE A COCKTAIL WITH YOUR PANCAKES, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS SONG OR ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, MAYBE THAT'S A NEW SIGNING, A BIT OF COCKTAILS AND PANCAKES, ANY, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON TO MONDAY.

IS, I AM THREE L REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS FOR OUR SAME INTERESTS.

AND LAST

[ Request For Proposals - City Manager Search]

AT LEAST THE SEARCH ME TO SEARCH FOR THE FIRM THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GOING TO DO THE OUTREACH THAT'S GOING TO HELP US.

UH, WE HAD TALKED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO ABOUT THIS AND THE DIRECTION I WAS GIVEN BY COUNSEL WAS TO LOOK AT, UH, DRAFTING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO GO FOR AN EXECUTIVE FROM SEARCH OR THE CITY MANAGER PROCESS.

UM, AND BRING THAT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

UM, I DID THAT, UM, BASICALLY I HAVE INCORPORATED THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, UM, INTO THE CITY'S STANDARD FORMAT FOR RFPS.

UM, I USED A NUMBER OF OTHER LOCAL COMMUNITIES, UH, RFPS WHO'VE RECENTLY SOUGHT, UM, EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS FOR THIS PURPOSE, FOR THIS TYPE OF POSITION AND, UH, INCORPORATED.

UM, WHAT I THOUGHT WERE THE BEST ELEMENTS OF THOSE, UH, VARIOUS RFPS, AS WELL AS SORT OF TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT COUNCIL HAD SHARED AT SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS IS SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THAT SEARCH PROCESS.

UM, SO, UM, I PUT THIS IN HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EVERYBODY'S GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT.

UM, THE MEAT OF THE MATTER FALLS WITHIN SECTION FOUR ON PAGE NINE OF THE RFP, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, UM, AND SOME OF THE PROVISIONS OR REQUIREMENTS THAT THE RESPONDENTS TO THE RFP WOULD BE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE AS PART OF THAT, UH, PROCESS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AT THIS TIME, UM, WE COULD DO THAT AT WHATEVER PERIOD TIME PERIOD OR TIMEFRAME COUNSEL THINKS APPROPRIATE.

UM, I WAS ANTICIPATING, UM, ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES THE RFP FOR DISTRIBUTION THAT WE'D HAVE ABOUT A 30 DAY RESPONSE PERIOD, UM, IF THIS WAS TO, UH, BE PUT FORTH FOR ACTION ON MONDAY AND APPROVED.

AND, UH, WE GOT THIS OUT, UM, NEXT WEEK.

UM, WE'D BE LOOKING AS I PUT IN THIS PARTICULAR DRAFT OF THE RFP, UH, FOR RESPONDENTS TO REPLY BY AUGUST THE SECOND.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD HAVE A PROCESS OF EVALUATION, UH, FOR THE PROPOSALS RECEIVED.

AND THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE RATE THOSE AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE BEST, UM, PROPOSALS RECEIVED IN TERMS OF PURSUING THE NEXT STEP.

SO TO BE CLEAR, THIS ISN'T GOING OUT TO SEARCH FOR APPLICANTS AT THIS STAGE FOR A CITY MANAGER.

THIS WOULDN'T BE FOR THE FIRM TO ASSIST US IN THAT SCREENING PROCESS AND AN APPLICANT PROCESS.

I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE IT'S TIME THAT WE START, UM,

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SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS ON MONDAY'S MEETING, BUT CERTAINLY WOULD DEFER TO COUNSEL ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE RFP FOR THE SEARCH FIRM.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO, UH, TO MONDAY'S MEETING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS RUN UP, UH, AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION FOR REVIEW, UM, UH, JUST TO TAKE ANOTHER A ONCE-OVER, UM, FOR THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS IS GOING TO HOLD IT.

UM, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE PUT IN, UM, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS COMMENTS OF MY, OF MY HOPES TO SLOW ROLL THIS PROCESS.

UM, BUT THIS IS NOT A SLOW ROLL TECHNIQUE.

THIS IS JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS PROVIDED BY THE CLERK OF COUNCIL AND, UM, AND REACH OUT TO HIM, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE LAW DIRECTOR, UM, REGARDING A COUPLE OF SECTIONS THAT I SEEN, UH, THAT I HAD CONCERNS WITH.

UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

WELL, WE STILL HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY TO REVIEW ALL THAT.

I MEAN, THE MEETING IS ON MONDAY.

SO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ARE BROUGHT UP OR CERTAINLY CAN, CAN BRING UP AT THE, AT THE MEETING, BUT EITHER WAY, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO ONTO MONDAY'S AGENDA? OKAY.

WELL, THIS TO MONDAY, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU.

YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THAT.