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[ CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS STATE OF OHIO Town Hall Meeting Regular Session May 12, 2021 6:00 P.M. City Hall - Council Chambers - 6131 Taylorsville Road ]
A, WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME.SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WATCHING ONLINE, UH, WE HOPE WE HAD, UH, PEOPLE COME SO WE COULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS TOWN HALL, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TRASH TRASH COLLECTION, UM, AND WHICH SINGLE WHOLE COMPANY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE BECAUSE THE CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES AT THE END OF JUNE.
SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS DISCUSSION HAS STARTED.
UM, SO I WILL JUST GO RIGHT TO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME THIS EVENING.
UH, SO, WELL, LET ME GO BACK TO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE TOWN HALL WAS TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SO I LOOK AT TRASH PICKUP AS ALMOST A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
PEOPLE GET, THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
THEY, UM, JUST PART OF THEIR DAILY ROUTINES AS FAR AS GETTING RID OF THEIR TRASH.
SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE LIKE THAT ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT ENOUGH INPUT AND AN, A FEEDBACK BASED ON HOW THE RESIDENTS FELT SINCE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTED THEM.
NOW, ALL OF US ON COUNCIL, UH, OBVIOUSLY LIVE IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE THE SAME TRASH BILL THAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, BUT THAT DECISION DOESN'T JUST AFFECT US.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, GIVE US INFORMATION, TALK ABOUT THEY FELT WHATEVER THE CASE IS BEFORE WE PUT IT BACK ON ANOTHER AGENDA TO DISCUSS FORMALLY AT A WORK SESSION OR INFORMATIVE WORK SESSION BEFORE MOVING TO A COUNCIL MEETING.
SO, UH, TONIGHT I REALLY HAD NO EXPECTATIONS.
I HAD NO IDEA HOW PEOPLE WAS GOING TO SHOW UP.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING ONLINE TO GET SOME INFORMATION.
I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY EMAILS MESSAGES, UM, OF PEOPLE GIVING US OUR OPINION.
SO OTHER THAN HAVING NO EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT TONIGHT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE, OTHER THAN US JUST LISTENING, I SEE MYSELF AS MORE OF A FACILITATOR THAN ANYTHING.
AND OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER HAS GOT HIS COMPUTER UP.
SO ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE WORTHY FOR HIM TO WRITE DOWN, KEEP TRACK OF TAKE NOTE OF CERTAINLY HE'S HERE FOR THAT.
UH, MR. OTTO, AT-LARGE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, MR. WEB OR TWO COUNTS NUMBER AND MS. BAKER, UH, FROM WARD THREE IS ALSO HERE.
SO IF, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, WE WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM, BUT I REALLY SEE THIS AS MORE OF US LISTENING TO YOU AND GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK.
SO WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING THE OVERALL DECISION.
UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND THERE ARE NO EXPECTATIONS IF ANYBODY, LIKE, IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY OR SOME FEEDBACK YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US, UH, AGAIN, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW YOUR ADDRESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW YOUR NAME.
SO, UH, I WOULD JUST TURN IT OVER TO ANY, ANY ONE OF YOU THAT ARE HERE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
AND WE DO APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
THOSE WERE, YOU TOOK THE TIME TO COME OUT TONIGHT TO TALK TO US.
SO YOUR FEEDBACK IS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT TO US AND MARK THIS, THE PODIUM MICROPHONE IS ON, CORRECT.
YES, JUST THIS SO PEOPLE AND YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN IF YOU LIKE THAT WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN ALSO HEAR YOU.
MY FIRST MR. GERBER, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS MEETING.
AND, UH, THANK YOU MR. OTTO FOR BEING HERE IN OTHER WORDS, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND MY NAME IS SHEILA KIRSCHNER.
I WAS ON HEMINGWAY AND WARD FOR MR. OTTO REPRESENTS US.
AND THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING US.
UM, I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT KEEPING REPUBLIC AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS ONLINE.
I'VE SEEN THAT, UM, I'VE SEEN THE POLL.
I'VE SEEN HOW PEOPLE RESPONDED ONLINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE RESPONDING WITH THE EMAILS OR THE PHONE CALLS, BUT I SEE WHAT I DO SEE IS PEOPLE ARE OVERWHELMINGLY RESPONDING, THAT THEY WANT TO KEEP REPUBLIC.
THERE ARE SOME THAT WANT TO KEEP
AND IF THE COST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ALL THAT MUCH MORE, AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IN LIFE IS YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
AND, UH, SO THE SERVICE, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE PART OF IT IS, UH, WHAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER WITH THE PUBLIC.
THE BIGGER CAN, ALTHOUGH THEY SAID THEY CAN GIVE US A BIGGER CANVAS.
IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT, UH, BUT THE DISABLED SERVICES AND, UH, 10% OFF, IF YOU'RE OVER 65, I SAY, GO FOR IT.
AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TO US, THAT MEANS
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IT MEANS A LOT TO US AND CERTAINLY CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 40,000 PEOPLE HERE WHO REPRESENT 15,000 HOUSEHOLDS AND YOU DECIDE TO COME TO LET US KNOW YOU FEEL SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.I DIDN'T COME TO SPEAK, BUT I'LL SPEAK ANYWAY.
PLEASE DO, PLEASE DO MY COUNSEL WHEN HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE'S A DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME BECAUSE ALL I'VE ALWAYS SEEN ONLINE IS WHO HE WANTS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HE WANTS, HE'S UP THERE FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY.
SO ANYWAY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THOUGH, IS I THINK THE BEST DEAL THAT WE CAN GET IS WITH WHO WE GOT, BECAUSE WE GET GREAT SERVICE.
THEY TAKE EVERYTHING YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO ASK THEM IF THEY'LL TAKE SOMETHING FOR YOU BECAUSE THEY'LL TAKE IT.
SO I I'M ALL FOR KEEPING WHAT WE GOT, WHETHER IT'S EVERY WEEK OR EVERY TWO WEEKS ON RECYCLING.
MY NAME IS MIKE MYERS, MICHAEL MYERS.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT STARTED THIS PROCESS OR OUR THINKING OF KIND OF OUR THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT THIS WAS, WAS THE RECYCLING ISSUE, RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO, AND WE SEE THAT IN OUR EMAILS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM ENVIRONMENTALLY, TO BE ABLE TO RECYCLE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
SO THAT STARTED KIND OF THE DISCUSSION, THE PROCESS ABOUT, SHOULD WE OFFER WEEKLY RECYCLING, BUT THEN WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE COST OR IS BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING WE HAVE NOW, IS THAT ENOUGH? AND THEN I THINK OUR STRUGGLE WITH COUNCILS, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF THE COST BENEFIT FOR BOTH, FOR BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE SINCE THIS IS A, SO EVERYBODY SAVES MONEY BY GOING THROUGH A SINGLE HAULER.
I MEAN, WE, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE USED TO HAVE, WHERE EVERYBODY COULD PICK THEIR OWN.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE SO INTERESTED WHILE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY MY CHOICE, BUT IN THE END, WHEN YOU ADD UP ABOUT $30 A QUARTER PER CUSTOMER, TIMES FOUR QUARTERS, THAT'S ABOUT $120 A YEAR, OVER 15,000 HOUSEHOLDS FOR EIGHT YEARS, THAT IS SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS OF MONEY THAT HAS BEEN BACK INTO THE POCKETS OF, OF THE RESIDENTS, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WE HAVE, UH, AND RENTERS ALIKE, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SAVED THAT KIND OF MONEY.
SO, AND WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY, UH, DECEMBER, JANUARY, WHEN WE POSED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU FELT ABOUT A SINGLE TRASH HAULER, THAT RESPONSE I THINK WAS WHAT, 84, 84%.
AND WE, SO I DO THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION.
I THINK WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY, THE, SOME BASED ON SOME COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN AND COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO ME THROUGH EMAIL AND MESSAGING, WHAT I'VE SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA, I THINK THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT THE SURVEY QUESTION WAS A DIRECT QUESTION ABOUT THE CURRENT TRASH HAULER, MEANING ARE YOU SATISFIED OR DO YOU LIKE THE CURRENT TRASH HALL? THE WAY THE SURVEY WAS DESIGNED? WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T MENTION REPUBLIC BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT, WE DIDN'T WANT THE COMPANY OR THE, OR THE S OR THE INDIVIDUAL COMPANY THAT WAS HAULING THE TRASH TO BE JUDGED.
WE WERE MORE INTERESTED IN IS THE CITY SATISFIED WITH A SINGLE HAUL TRASH CONTRACT.
BUT I THINK IN THE WAY IN THAT SURVEY, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TOOK THAT AS WE ARE SERVING FOUR REPUBLIC SPECIFICALLY, UM, NOW GOOD, BAD INDIFFERENT.
UH, WE HAVE SEEN AN 84, 84% OF THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE SURVEY, LIKE THE IDEA OF A SINGLE HOLLER TRASH COMPANY.
AND, UH, SO, SO I THINK WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT DIRECTION.
IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO OFFER THE CITIZENS WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH.
AND I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE MESSAGE ME AND SAY, WELL, WE'D LIKE YOU GUYS MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE ASKING EVERYBODY.
AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL OF THOSE MESSAGES, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THINGS LIKE THIS THAT REALLY DIRECTLY INVOLVE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT, THERE'S JUST NO WAY.
I THINK WE'RE ANY OF US ARE REALLY COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH AT LEAST KNOWING WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITY AND CITIZEN FEEDBACK HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DO.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW I THINK, HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY? WELL, WE CAN, UM, CERTAINLY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK, A LOT OF INFORMATION THROUGH OTHER SOURCES.
UH, THIS WAS JUST ONE OTHER WAY.
WE WENT TO TRY TO OFFER FEEDBACK, BUT IF, IF NOBODY ELSE IS HERE, NO ONE ELSE COMES THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE VERY LONG.
UH, WE, WE CAN WRAP THIS UP AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THIS ON ANOTHER, UH, ON ANOTHER WORK SESSION, ON ANOTHER WORK SESSION MEETING AGENDA WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M THE MUNICIPAL REP FOR RAMCO.
UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
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I READ SOME OF THE FEEDBACK ON FACEBOOK.I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR TRASH AND THEY BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR HOLLER AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY COME TO EXPECT EVERY WEEK.
AND, AND SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN, WHEN THERE WAS SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE, WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL THOUSAND CUSTOMERS HERE WHO, WHO WE LOST WHEN, WHEN YOU WENT WITH REPUBLIC TO THE SINGLE BID, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.
UM, AND THOSE PEOPLE WERE UPSET TOO.
SO CHANGES, CHANGE IS TOUGH, BUT I, I STAND BY IT.
UM, WE HAVE A LARGE PRESENCE HERE IN THE MIAMI VALLEY.
WE HAVE, UM, A MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVICE.
UM, WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVICE HUBER HEIGHTS, AND WE FEEL THAT OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER IS LOCAL.
UM, A NUMBER OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WORK THERE AND THAT ARE SUPERVISORS AND DRIVERS LIVE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, RECYCLING, WHICH OF COURSE WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT.
AND WE FEEL IT'S, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF OUR, OF OUR PROPOSAL.
UM, IT'S BEEN A BIG FOCUS FOR US OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS.
AND SO WE'VE INVESTED A LOT WITH OUR RECYCLING PLANTS HERE, LOCATED ON MONUMENT.
UM, IN FACT, THE RECYCLING THAT EVERYONE PRODUCES HERE IN HUBER NOW, REPUBLIC IS BRINGING IT TO OUR RECYCLING CENTER.
SO I WANTED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IN FACT, WE'RE THE ONLY HOLLER THAT HAS ANY INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAVE INVESTED IN THAT HERE LOCALLY.
AND WE, WE EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE MIAMI VALLEY AT THAT RECYCLING PLANT.
SO IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT WITH REPUBLIC AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR RECYCLING.
SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND ALSO IN THEIR PROPOSAL THERE WAS, AND I, I WANT TO QUOTE IT, UM, IF MARKET CONDITIONS DEVELOP THAT LIMIT OR INHIBIT THE CONTRACTOR FROM SELLING SOME OR ALL OF THE RECYCLABLE MATERIALS, THE CONTRACT, OR MAY SUSPEND OR DISCONTINUE ANY, OR ALL RECYCLING SERVICES OR DISPOSE OF THE RECYCLABLE MATERIAL IN A LANDFILL AND UPDATE THE CITY'S RATES ACCORDINGLY.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS MENTIONED.
I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT IT IS BROUGHT TO US.
UM, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON THAT PLANT AND, AND, AND VALUE THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE RECYCLING EFFORTS.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE THINK THAT WE'RE THE LOWEST BID, BUT WE THINK WE'RE, WE THINK WE'RE THE BEST BID.
AND, AND WE THINK THAT, UM, OUR LOCAL PRESENCE HERE IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT MEANS SOMETHING.
AND ALSO WE THINK THAT THE SAVINGS PROVIDED TO RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT BE GOING WITH A WEEKLY SERVICE OR BI-WEEKLY, WHICH IS WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS QUO IS.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT THAT'S MONEY THAT RESIDENTS CAN DO POUR BACK INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
AND WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, A MILLION OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IS NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, AND WE VALUE OUR RELATIONSHIPS.
WE'VE DONE, UH, SWITCHOVERS HERE RECENTLY, UM, WHERE OTHER HAULERS MAYBE BACKED OFF A LITTLE BIT ON THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF, OF OUR, OF OUR SERVICE HERE IN THIS AREA.
AND, UM, I THINK OUR GUYS DO A FANTASTIC JOB AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE THAT, UH, IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL WORK HARD AND DO OUR BEST, JUST LIKE WE DO IN ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES, THE SWITCHOVERS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE MADE RECENTLY IN KETTERING AND IN FAIRBORN HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
THEY'VE BEEN SMOOTH, WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD.
AND IN CONCERT WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE CURRENT SERVICES, WHAT IS, IS, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, RUNKEE WOULD BE OFFERING A CART AT NO COST TO THE RESIDENTS WERE, YOU KNOW, FOR TRASH AND FOR RECYCLING, UM, WHICH I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM, I THINK NOW RESIDENTS, I THINK WHAT 75 TO 80% CURRENTLY RENT CARDS FROM REPUBLIC AND THEY HAVE TO PAY, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT CAR RENTAL.
SO JUST WANTING TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I KNOW A LOT OF THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, UM, AND THE PROPOSAL, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME OPTIONS IN THERE WITH REGARD TO THE SIZE OF THE RECYCLE CARTS.
UM, WE HAVE FIVE AND 95 GALLON.
THE 65 IS A STANDARD SIZE FOR A WEEKLY RECYCLING SERVICE, A 95 GALLON, WHICH IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS CURRENTLY
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HAVE WITH REPUBLIC IS A STANDARD SIZE FOR US AS WELL, IF WE WERE TO DO IT BIWEEKLY.SO JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND, THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE PRESENTED IT THE WAY WE DID.
AND I WAS SORRY THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION OVER THAT, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I, I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT THAT, THAT COUNCIL AND, UM, CONSIDERS, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I POINTED OUT IN THERE IN THAT RESIDENTS MAYBE GET SOME FEEDBACK ELSEWHERE.
I MEAN, I KNOW FACEBOOK IS A WONDERFUL TOOL, BUT SOMETIMES IT, IT BRINGS A LOT OF NEGATIVITY WITH IT AS WELL.
AND SOMETIMES YOU ONLY HEAR THE NEGATIVE AND NOT THE POSITIVE.
AND AGAIN, I, I PRIDE MY COMPANY AND WE'VE GOT THAT NAME ON THE SIDE OF ALL OF OUR TRUCKS.
WE HAVE A RUN KEY AT EACH ONE OF OUR OFFICES.
UM, SO WE'RE INVESTED, WE TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE DO, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND, UM, FOR REFERENCES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT TO OFFER ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK? YES.
WITH BRIGHT ARE THOSE 96 OR 95? I ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY WERE 96 TRASH AND RECYCLE WORKER WHEN YOU'RE REFERRING TO ME GET THE CORRECT SIZE OR WHERE THEY WERE DOING, TRYING TO DO SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISONS.
WE WANT TO TRY TO COMPARE AS MANY APPLES TO APPLES AS WE CAN, NOT APPLES TO ORANGES.
SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.
I'D LIKE TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK SOMETHING TO CLARIFY, UM, WITH THE REMCO REPRESENTATIVE YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, AT, AT THE, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING THE, UH, THE 65 OR 95 GALLON CONTAINER, UM, W W WHEN YOU SAID THAT, IS, THAT WAS, THAT MEANT TO BE A, JUST A CITY-WIDE PROGRAM OPTION.
THE CITY COULD GO, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE THIS OR THIS, OR WOULD THAT BE AN INDIVIDUAL OPTION? BECAUSE I KNOW SOME FOLKS ACTUALLY HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THEIR CANS BEING TOO BIG.
UM, WOULD THERE BE AN INDIVIDUAL OPTION FOR THAT PERSON TO SAY, I DON'T WANT THE BIG 90 SAY, I JUST WANT A 65 INDIVIDUALLY.
IT'S JUST THE STANDARD OR THE WEEKLY IS WHAT WE NEED TO CLARIFY.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE BIGGER ONES THAT WILL SUFFICE FOR THE SERVICE ON WEEKLY BASIS, BUT THE 95 IS NECESSARY FOR THE BIWEEKLY, LARGER OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T PRODUCE A LOT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH A LOT OF SINGLE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS, OR JUST TWO PEOPLE THAT SAY, WELL, I DON'T NEED THOSE GIANT TRASH CANS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WISH I HAD SMALLER CANS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, THANK YOU.
ONE OTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE TOO, IS THAT, AND THIS COMES FROM THE AMOUNT OF EMAILS, MESSAGES THAT I GOT.
WE GOT QUITE A FEW MESSAGES FROM DISABLED RESIDENTS, AND I KNOW, SO WE TALK ABOUT RELATIONSHIP.
I REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH REPUBLIC.
I MEAN, IT'S OUR, IT'S THE RESIDENT'S RELATIONSHIP AND REPUBLICAN THEIR JOB OR THEIR DRIVER AND ALL THAT.
SO I GOT QUITE A FEW EMAILS FROM DISABLED RESIDENTS WHO WERE CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID MY DRIVER RIGHT NOW COMES UP AND GETS MY CAR, THE FRONT BESIDE MY GARAGE.
THEY WHEEL IT DOWN TO THE CAR OR TO THE TRUCK, THE MTA, AND THEY BRING IT BACK UP AND, YOU KNOW, AND PARK.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT REPUBLIC BID, IS IT THAT THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF DISABLED PERSONS, TRASH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOOR TO, TO TRUCK, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT OR THE BID, BUT THAT'S THE SERVICE THAT THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDING THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE GOTTEN USED TO.
MY, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVES IN FAIRBORN JUST WENT THROUGH THIS TRANSITION PROCESS.
AND I KNOW THAT WHEN WE WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THE, UH, ONE OF THE, I FORGET WHAT YOU'VE DONE WHEN IT WAS, BUT SAID THAT THEY WOULD MIRROR THE CURRENT SCHEDULE BECAUSE THE, THE OTHER BIG ISSUE THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE IS JUST THAT MY TRASH GETS PICKED UP ON MONDAY.
IF, IF I LOSE MY TRASH DAY, I'M GOING TO BE MAD.
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AND SO I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN TRY TO DO, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED IN THE CONTRACT.I DON'T BELIEVE I KNOW MY MOTHER-IN-LAW HER TRASH DAY WAS CHANGED UPON THE SWITCH ONE DAY SERVICE, WHICH WAS TRUCKS ON THE COMMUNITY ON MONDAY.
NOW THEY'RE PICKING UP TRASH AT THE CHEESE.
SO, SO, SO THOSE ARE JUST, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE TWO BIG ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME ABOUT HAS BEEN WEEKLY VERSUS BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING, I'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM DISABLED RESIDENTS CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT ONE KIND OF, THAT ONE-ON-ONE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT THEY'VE ESTABLISHED WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR DRIVER, AND THEN THE, THAT THE TRASH IS GOING TO BE PICKED UP.
AND I, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST USING THAT FROM AS A PERSONAL EXAMPLE.
I KNOW MY MOTHER-IN-LAW HAS TOLD ME SHE'S ON FACEBOOK.
SHE SAID, OH, THEY'VE CHANGED MY DAY.
SO, UM, SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK IF, IF RUNKEE IS THE CHOSEN COMPANY, I MEAN, I THINK WE, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO NEED SOME TYPE OF, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT SOME TYPE OF GUARANTEE OF THEIR SERVICES NOT, IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REASON THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, HEY, I'M WILLING TO PAY 94 CENTS MORE A MONTH BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.
I THINK ASSUMING WHEN, WHEN THE ORIGINAL SERVICE WAS CHANGED FROM WHOEVER YOU WANT TO REPUBLIC, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS AN ALL HANDS ON DECK SITUATION.
WE HAD COUNSELORS COMING IN HERE, UH, YIELDING PHONE CALLS AND CALLING RESIDENTS, TRYING TO EVERYBODY KNOW, HEY, IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
AND THIS GUY, I MEAN, W WE KIND OF BEEN THROUGH ALL THAT PROCESS ONCE BEFORE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM SOME COUNCIL PEOPLE TOO, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, ARE WE GOING TO, ARE WE GOING TO GOING THROUGH THIS ALL AGAIN? AND, UM, SO YEAH.
I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S, I THINK THAT THE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE ADDRESS WITH US SO FAR ARE LEGITIMATE.
I WOULD NEVER TELL ANYBODY THAT, AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF YOU THAT THINK THAT WAY.
UM, CAUSE I THINK AT THIS POINT EVERYBODY'S EVERYBODY'S VOICE KIND OF MATTERS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW WITH A DECISION THAT'S BIG AND FOR ANOTHER, FOR ANOTHER FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT.
SO THOSE WOULD BE, IF I JUST HAD COMMENTS, THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS.
WHEN I WORKED IN THE HOSPITAL FOR PUBLIC IS A 10% DISCOUNT FOR SENIOR CITIZENS.
YES, YES THEY DO IN THE NEW NEWS.
BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT GETS INTERRUPTED HERE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A SIMILAR
SO THERE WAS A 10% SENIOR DISCOUNT GIVEN, DID YOU EVER FIND OUT THERE WERE COMPLAINTS? WHAT'S TOUCHING SOMETHING.
SO I'M NOT HAVING TO, WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE DICE AND PUBLICLY TALKING ABOUT COMPLAINTS OR THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK IT'S LIKE ANYBODY YOU CAN, WHETHER IT BE A HOME DONOR, TRASH COMPANY, ELECTRONICS, RETAILER, IF ANYBODY LOOKS HARD ENOUGH, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THEIR COMPLAINTS ABOUT EVERYONE.
AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT PEELER COUNSELOR DIDN'T LOOK HARD WHEN IT COMES TO WHERE THE COMPLAINTS OTHERWISE.
SO I, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEGATIVE SIDE TO EITHER COMPANY.
CAUSE I THINK IF ANYBODY DOES LOOK HARD ENOUGH, YOU'LL FIND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO I HOPE THAT MAKES HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE OR ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE UH, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE HERE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, ABSOLUTELY.
PLEASE COME TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST HERE FOR.
AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHERE YOU LIVE, JUST YOUR NAME, LINDA MORIN.
I LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS AND I HAD MET, I THINK, YEARS OF PURCHASING MANAGEMENT.
WHEN YOU DO A BLIND BID, IT IS JUST THAT IT'S A BLIND BID AND YOU LOSE YOUR REPUTATION WITH YOUR VENDORS WHEN THE LOWEST BIDDER IS NOT AWARDED THE CONTRACT.
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I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU LOOK AT A FUEL SURCHARGE.LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR FUEL PRICES IN THE LAST FIVE MONTHS NOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COLONIAL PIPELINE? WHAT OTHER SOURCES CAN BE ATTACKED THAT WAY NOW THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN DO IT AND NOT SEE THAT WE'RE IN GREAT DANGER OF CROSSING THAT $4 A GALLON, UM, LIMIT THAT REPUBLIC HAS PUT ON WE'VE I'VE NOT HAD, WE HAD ONE ISSUE WITH REPUBLIC.
WELL, WE HAD A COUPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, OVER THE NUMBER OF YEARS, THAT'S NOT BAD, BUT I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE CITY'S REPUTATION WITH OUR VENDORS.
BECAUSE NEXT TIME AROUND, IF YOU DON'T AWARD IT, IT'S ALL OUT THERE AS PUBLIC.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY BID VERSUS THEIR COMPETITORS WILL LOSE.
UH, YOU MAY NOT GET A BID NEXT TIME.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A GREAT EXPOSURE AND THE PROBLEM IS THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO BEAR THAT COST.
I ALSO, I KNOW OUR ORIGINAL CONTRACT AND THIS CONTRACT, THE CITY DOES NOT PAY FOR THEIR TRASH ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU'VE LEVERAGED ALL OF US, THE CITY ISN'T PAYING FOR IT.
AND BASICALLY EITHER YOU PAY FOR IT WITH OUR TAX MONEY OR WE PAY FOR IT BY HAVING A TRASH CONTRACTOR, EITHER WAY, IT'S A WASH.
BUT IF THERE'S FUEL SURCHARGES THAT ARE BEING DUMPED ON THE PEOPLE THAT IS OUT OF OUR POCKET, AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION, SO SURE.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOWEST BID AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS WHERE I THINK WE GO THROUGH A WHOLE BID PROCESS.
IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT COUNCIL HAS LOWEST AND BEST IS HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PRESENTED.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE GRAY AREA IS WHERE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
WHAT IS THE LOWEST? WHAT IS THE BEST? SOMETIMES THE BEST ISN'T THE LOWEST SOMETIMES THE MOST EXPENSIVE ISN'T THE BAD.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WHAT THAT BEING LEFT TO COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, THAT'S A DECISION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHAT IS THE LOWEST AND BEST BID, NOT JUST WHAT IS THE LOWEST BID.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT THAT'S ONE THAT THE DECISION THAT COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE AND ALL THINGS BEING CONSIDERED.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THE FUEL SURCHARGE IS SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER.
SO, UM, MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT ONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER THEY'RE TRASH HAULERS.
I AGREE, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANYBODY SAY IT'S A BLIND BID.
YOU GUYS WENT OUT WITH AN R B, THOSE AREN'T BLIND BIDS.
THEY COME BACK WITH HER, WITH HER, WITH A PROPOSAL AND THE PROPOSALS ARE ONLINE.
I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT BECOMES PUBLIC, LIKE, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE.
BUT ANYTIME IT COMES DOWN TO BID SELECTION, YOU ARE OUR STAFF.
ANYTIME WE DO AN RFP, OUR STAFF PRESENT THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BIDS IN OUR PACKETS, THOSE PACKETS, AND BECOME PUBLIC RECORD.
THE MOMENT THAT THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED FOR OUR MEETINGS AND ALL OF THE BIDS ON EVERYTHING THAT DO THE BIDS FOR THE VIRGIN.
WE DO THE BITS THAT ARE GOING OUT FOR THE PARKS STUFF.
NOW, WHEN THOSE ALL COME BACK, THOSE OF ALL THE PUBLIC OPEN BUSINESS, BETTER GO LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT COUNCIL IT'S BLIND TO IT.
AND IT'S NOT A COMPETITIVE PIT AGAINST EACH OTHER WHERE I SHOW YOU BETTER A'S PRICE TO VENDOR B, OR YOU TAKE IT TO VENDOR B IT'S A BLIND BED.
ONE DAY ARE BLINDLY BIDDING AND WE DON'T LEVERAGE AND SPIT OVER THE YELLOW THEY'RE PUBLIC.
AND THEN COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION.
BUT YES, ONE AT THE TIME THEY'RE SUBMITTING IT.
IT'S NOT, WELL THEY'RE SUBMITTING THEIR BID.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THAT BID THEY'RE BIDDING ON A CONTRACT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BID SHOWS AGAINST THE, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR OTHER FEEDBACK REGARDING EITHER EITHER OF THE TWO COMPANIES? YES.
KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS I SHOULD WANT MIGHT COVER.
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ONE IS JUST TO SPEAK TO THE AKI REPRESENTATIVE.YOU MENTIONED THAT THE POLL MAY OR MAY NOT, UM, REFUSE RECYCLABLES
THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR CONTRACT.
THE SECOND PART OF THE COMMENT WOULD BE TO SCOTT.
I ASKED YOU WHEN WE HEARD THE INITIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO GO WITH REPUBLIC, I ASKED YOU FOR THE REASONS BEHIND THAT.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST RESTATE THAT THE REASON STAFF INITIALLY RECOMMENDED REPUBLIC OVER RUMPY.
I CAN REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID.
UH, UM, SO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ONE WAS, UM, UH, THAT CAME DOWN TO THE SIZE OF THE RECYCLING CARTS.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN, UM, DISCUSSED ABOUT LATER IN THE BID SAYS ONE THING.
UM, IT SAYS ANOTHER, UH, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE SOME CONFUSION CAME IN.
UM, SO THE, THE BID ITSELF SHOWED A DIFFERENCE IN THE CARTS.
IT DIDN'T CALL OUT IN THE BID, WHETHER IT WAS WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY FOR WHICH ONE YOU WOULD GET.
UM, SO, SO THAT'S WHERE THERE WERE SOME, I GUESS, SOME CONFUSION ON THAT.
UM, THE PRICING STRUCTURE, UM, WAS CLOSE.
UH, SO, UH, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT OF, UM, LOOKING AT IT AS THE KEEPING STATUS QUO, KEEPING THINGS AS IS TO LESSEN SOME OF THE CHANGEOVER AND THE STRESS OF THAT, UM, DUE TO THE PRICE BEING CLOSE, THAT WAS, UH, A PART IN THAT AS WELL.
IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE I SAID AT THAT TIME, I THINK THAT'S THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE, THE POINTS FROM HEARING WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, UH, THE RESIDENT FEEDBACK, AS WELL AS RECYCLING WAS A BIG THING.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT YOU CAN REQUEST ANOTHER CART, UH, BUT A LOT OF THE OUT HERE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THREE OR FOUR CARTS IN THEIR GARAGE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP FOR.
SO THE LAST NUMBER THAT I REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT DIFFERENCE IN COST WAS LIKE 94 CENTS, IS THAT 94 CENTS WAS THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS COMPARED WITH THE TRASH, BUT WAS THAT THE FIRST YEAR, THE FIFTH YEAR? I DON'T THINK IT WAS A FIFTH YEAR NUMBER.
SO IT WASN'T THE FIRST YEAR NUMBER DIFFERENCE OR WAS THAT YOUR CUMULATIVE AVERAGE OVER THE FIVE YEARS OF THE CONTRACT? SO THE FIRST YEAR NUMBER, SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, I DID TALK ABOUT COMPARISONS THAT WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO THEY CHANGED BECAUSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL LOOK WAS THAT, UM, THE, THE RUNKEE BID WOULD ONLY REQUIRE THEIR CARTS, BUT IN LOOKING AT THAT VERSUS THE OTHER.
UM, BUT THEY WILL TAKE OTHER CARDS AS WELL.
SO HAVING THAT COMPLETE THE FINAL ONE OF APPLES TO APPLES ON IT, IT WAS 70 CENT DIFFERENCE IN YEAR ONE.
THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS LARGER IN YEAR FIVE, BETWEEN THE TWO, A DOLLAR 38.
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YES, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BASE RATE, RIGHT? YES.THE BASE RATE STRICTLY THE BASE RATE, 70 CENTS IN YEAR ONE, DOLLAR 38 IN YEAR FIVE BASE RATE.
WELL, I THINK WHERE THE, THE INCONVENIENCE, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE TO SAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO US, THE EMAILS THAT I'VE GOTTEN, THE EMAILS THAT, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO COUNSEL AND TO OUR CLERK HAS BEEN, UM, BUT LIKE WHERE THEY GOT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SO I CAN'T SPEAK ON WHAT YOUR INCONVENIENCE IS SPECIFIC TO WHAT YOUR PARTICULAR TRASH CASE IS, BUT OVERWHELMINGLY THE RESPONSE WE'VE GOTTEN FROM RESIDENTS IS WE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE, WE'VE HAVE GOOD SERVICE AND I'M WILLING TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE TO KEEP WHAT I GOT, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
SO I THINK IT PROBABLY DOES COME DOWN TO LOTS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IS DIFFICULT.
THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT WHEN WE CHANGED THE FIRST TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK BEFORE HE GOT HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS ON DISABILITY.
PEOPLE HAD DISABILITIES, THEY HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR CURRENT DRIVER WHO WOULD COME TO THEIR, COME TO THE GARAGE, GET THE CAR, TO TAKE THEM TO THE TRUCK, EMPTY THEM AND BRING THEM BACK.
SO I GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM PEOPLE ASKING, WAS THAT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE THE SAME CAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT THAT AND THEN KEEPING TRASH ON THE SAME DAY.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER, THAT WAS NOTHING I, AND I'D MENTIONED, I JUST, FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S IN FAIRBORN AND THEY JUST WENT THROUGH THE SWITCH FROM REPUBLIC TO RUNKEE AND HER DAY WAS CHANGED AT THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP.
AND, UH, TH THE RUMPY REP HAD KIND OF GIVEN A REASON AND KIND OF HOW THAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE HE WENT FROM DAILY TO WEEKLY.
SO THEY RUN ON DIFFERENT ROUTES.
SO THEIR PARTICULAR DATE HAD TO CHANGE.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN FEEDBACK WAS IF MY DAY CHANGES THAT MY TRASH GETS PICKED UP, I'M NOT GOING TO BE A HAPPY CAMPER.
SO DISABILITY SERVICES THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEIR INDIVIDUAL DRIVER.
SO THAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THEY HAVE WITH THE DRIVER.
THAT'S NOT THE RELATIONSHIP THE CITY HAS WITH GRUMPY, THAT'S THE INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND THEN THE DAY THAT THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP CERTAINLY WAS ANOTHER BIG ISSUE THAT CAME TO US.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY SAY, UM,
THAT'S WHAT FEEDBACK PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION.
SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S INDIVIDUAL EMAILS TO US NOW WE'RE PROBABLY APPROACHING 60.
AND I THINK OUT OF THE 60, 50, EIGHT OF THEM WERE VERY ADAMANT ABOUT KEEPING REPUBLIC TWO.
WE GOT SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO THOSE, SO THAT WAS SPECIFIC EMAILS THAT HAVE COME TO ME.
UM, OTHER MESSAGES, PRIVATE MESSAGES, PROBABLY ANOTHER, UH, 30 OR 40.
SO MAYBE A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT WAY.
UM, AND THE REST OF THEM, THEY DON'T REALLY CARE.
IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
SO WHY THE LARGE NUMBER THAT HAVE RESPONDED AND WANT TO KEEP THEM IS ACTUALLY NOT A LARGE NUMBER OF OUR POPULATION.
SO I THINK, WELL, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DISCOUNT THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A VOICE.
AND WHEN, SO LET'S COMPARE THAT TO, UH, WE JUST HAD A ZONING CASE, UM, UP OFF OF A BELL FOUNTAIN AND, AND FITCHBURG, AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOMES ARE BUILT NOW IN THE OAKS, ROUGH ESTIMATE, 150, 150 HOMES ARE IN THE OAKS.
THERE WERE 20, 27 EMAILS OVER AND OVER AND OVER, AND MAYBE 15 PEOPLE AT THE MOST CAME TO COUNCIL AND SPOKE ABOUT IT TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD.
THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY UPSET AND DISAPPOINTED IF THIS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU'RE JUST NOT ENOUGH.
CAUSE THERE'S LIKE 150 OF YOU THAT LIVE UP THERE.
THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN UNFAIR TO THE ONES THAT SPOKE UP.
SO AS A COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD, WHO WERE WILLING TO SHOW UP, WHO ARE WILLING TO
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BE THE ONE THAT SAYS, NO, THIS IS WHAT I WANT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES DIRECTLY INTERACTING WITH US.SO WE HAVE TO, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND IN THAT CASE, THERE WAS 130 PEOPLE IN THE OAKS WHO NEVER ONCE RESPONDED, WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE CARED AT ALL, THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED THE WAY IT WAS PROPOSED, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE UPSET ABOUT IT, OR THE ONES WHO CAME TO TALK AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT WAS TO GET PEOPLE'S FEEDBACK, TO OFFER ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO TALK.
AND IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SO I HOPE THERE'S MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE AT HOME WATCHING, BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE GIVE THEM, I THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTIVELY TALKING AND ENGAGED ABOUT THE ISSUE.
SO YES, FACEBOOK IS NOT SCIENTIFIC IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WHO CLICKED ON THE POLL EVEN LIVED IN HEBREW RIGHTS.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT OVERALL, I MEAN, IT WAS 10 TO ONE FOR KEEPING THE SERVICE THAT WE HAVE, THE TRICKIER ISSUE.
PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE GONNA MORE UPSET WHETHER OR NOT WE PICK WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
THAT IS, TO ME THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I SEE OUTSIDE OF BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S ABOUT 50 50.
SO IF A THOUSAND PEOPLE SAID, WE WANT TO KEEP HER HALF OF THEM, WHAT WEEKLY RECYCLING, HALF OF THEM BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER DECISION BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS ALSO AFFECTS THE PRICE.
THAT'S A BIGGER DECISION THAN WHETHER IT'S RUMPY REPUBLIC.
SO, UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT DID WE REACH BACK OUT TO RUNG PETE TO HAVE THEM CLARIFY THE SIZE OF THEIR RECYCLING BIN? YEAH.
THEIR STANDARD, THEIR STANDARD CARD WAS 65, BUT THEN THEY ALSO SPLIT.
THEN THEY SAID, AND WE SPOKE WITH THEM THAT THEY WOULD OFFER, UM, THE, THE, THE 95 C.
AND SO AGAIN, HERE, WE KIND OF GET IN THAT GRAY AREA.
YOU'LL BE CLARIFIED IT'S 65 A WEEK, BUT 95, WHY WE THAT'S THE STANDARD, BUT THEY, BUT THEY, BUT THEY'VE SAID THEY WILL, THEY WILL GIVE OPTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER WANTS.
WELL, THERE'S NOT 95 FOR EVERY WEEK.
HEY, I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT YES, NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
SO WHERE WERE WE AGAIN? THE, WHAT WAS THE, SO THAT RESIDENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY, YOU CAN GET THE 95 OR 96 GALLON RECYCLING LOOKING AT.
SO, SO NOW THAT, SO THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE KIND OF STOPPED IN OUR TRACKS AND HAD THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN, WAS BECAUSE IF WE WERE LOOKING AT, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A SMALLER CAR FROM RUNKEE AND THEY WERE GOING TO DO BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING WITH A SMALLER CART, THE PEOPLE WENT NUTS AND SAID, WHAT ARE OUR 96 GALLON CARTS OVERFLOWING EVERY TWO WEEKS? THERE'S NO WAY I CAN DO A 65 GALLON CARD EVERY TWO WEEKS.
SO IF WE HAD TWO NAPS, SO THAT OPENED UP THE IDEA OF ANOTHER COMPARISON, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHY WE STOPPED AND HAD THE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE NOW THE PRICE ISN'T DIFFERENT.
IF YOU HAVE TO GO WITH WEEKLY RECYCLING BECAUSE OF A 65 GALLON CART, VERSUS BEING ABLE TO HAVE EVERY TWO WEEKS OR BIWEEKLY WITH A 96 GALLON CART.
SO THEN THAT'S WHEN THE CLARIFICATION WAS MADE ABOUT WE CAN DO EITHER.
BUT IF THE BID WASN'T SPECIFIED THAT WAY, THAT'S WHY WE GOT MR. MR. MCDONALD SAID THAT.
WELL, HE EVEN SAID, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE SHAKY WATERS HERE.
CAUSE IT'S NOW THE BID'S KIND OF AMBIGUOUS.
AND NOW THAT THE BIDS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH AND SAY, WELL, YOU SAID THIS, AND NOW YOU'RE WILLING TO CHANGE THE UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR BID.
NOW THAT OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO NOW YOU SEE, NOW YOU'RE GETTING THE SITUATION WHERE YOU SAID WHERE YOU NOW YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT EACH PERSON IS SAYING, YOU'RE NOT JUST COMPARING THE OPEN BID.
AND, AND THAT WORRIED MR. MCDONALD IN TERMS OF THE AMBIGUITY OF WHAT WAS AND HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
AND I GOTTA BE HONEST, THE CONCERN THAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT TOO, BECAUSE THE LAST THING ALL OF US WANT IS TO AWARD A BID.
AND THEN ANOTHER COMPANY SAY, WELL, I WASN'T TREATED FAIRLY.
AND NOW WE'RE TURNING TRASH INTO SOMETHING WAY BIGGER THAN WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
SO I THINK ALL OF US HAVE THOSE CONCERNS OR THOSE ON COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE, UM, AND MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH LAW DIRECTOR, BUT HE, SUE WE HIRE IN HIS WORD IS WHAT WE, AT LEAST AS THE LE THE LEGAL STANDPOINT FROM WHAT
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WE, WHAT WE GO BY HERE.SO, SO I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS THAT WE STILL HAVE YET TO WORK OUT.
UM, WHAT IS OUR OBLIGATION? AS FAR AS THE BIDS ARE CONCERNED? I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING THESE COMPANIES TAKE TIME, RIGHT? BATES, UM, YOU DON'T PUT IN MANPOWER WAGES THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
SO WHAT IS OUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO ACCEPTING THAT ARE WE REQUIRED BY LAW TO HONOR THAT IF THEY COME IN UNDER KINKY, SUE US, COULD THIS BECOME A PROBLEM? SO I THINK, AND TALKING TO THE, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR ACTION.
SO AT OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD, MR. CAMPBELL HAD ASKED OUR LAW DIRECTOR, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? RIGHT.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO OR NOT ALLOWED TO DO.
I DON'T HAVE THE EMAIL IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MR. MCDONALD DID SEND AN EMAIL BACK AND BASICALLY SAYS WE HAD THREE OPTIONS.
UM, SCOTT, DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT ADDRESS? I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK WRONG.
SO, UM, CAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING AND WATCHING AND THERE ARE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF TURN, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS AS FAR AS HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND I BELIEVE IN THE EMAIL HE LISTED, HE LISTED THREE, THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE'RE NOT UNDER ANY CONTRACT.
LIKE WHEN YOU SENT OUT THE BID, THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT.
UNDERSTANDING WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT COMPANY AND NOW COUNCIL.
SO IN THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, UM, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS BASICALLY HOW WE DEAL WITH THOSE BIDS.
SO WE CAN TAKE THE LOWEST AND BEST BID.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE LOWEST PRICE.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PLAN, DECIDE ANY KIND OF BIT, UH, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO WAIVE ALL BIDS, TO THROW THEM ALL OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MAY BE.
UM, IT MAY BE ABLE TO JUST THROW OUT ONE BIT BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN REASON.
UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS OF SELECTING A CONTRACTOR FROM THE BIDS WE RECEIVED, UM, WAVING ALL BIDS AND STARTING OVER THE PROCESS.
IF THERE'S THAT MUCH CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THE BIDS ACTUALLY SAY VERSUS WHAT NOW THEY'RE COMING OUT AND SAYING THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, OR, UM, THERE'S STILL, UH, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO WAIVE ALL BIDS AND MAKE A CHOICE ON THEIR OWN THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE BID PROCESS.
SO THOSE ARE THE LEGAL ROUTES THAT THE CITY HAS.
SO I THINK IN HEARING WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE, IS, UM, CERTAINLY THE REASONING BEHIND US WHEN YOU GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS AS WE CAN BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE, BECAUSE ONCE A DECISION IS MADE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, FIVE-YEAR NOW THAT'S A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT.
UM, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE, WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF, OF ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS COULD BE.
CERTAINLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION FROM THE RESIDENTS AS POSSIBLE TO BUILD, TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I HAVE A TRASH BILL TOO, RIGHT? MR. OTTO HAS A TRASH BILL.
NOW, MR.
SO, SO WE ALL GET THOSE QUARTERLY BILLS.
WE ALL PAY, WE ALL HAVE SERVICE.
WE ALL THINGS THAT WE'RE USED TO.
SO WE ARE JUST DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL, BUT TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION WE CAN FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT IN A CASE LIKE THIS, WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT THE BEST SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYBODY, UNLESS WE GET PEOPLE, TELL US WHAT IT IS THEY PREFER.
SO YES, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I COVER, I HANDLE BITS FOR OVER 128 LOCATIONS FOR TRASH REMOVAL AND ALL THREE OTHER ONES THAT ARE BIDDING HERE, BID ON THOSE AND THAT OVER THE YEARS, UH, FRANCHI PERFORMED ABOVE AND BEYOND THE EXPECTATIONS WE HAD LEFT, WE BROKE CONTRACTS WITH ONE OF THE COMPANIES DIDN'T BREAK.
THE CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED DUE TO PERFORMANCE ISSUES.
SO PEOPLE WHO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT FRANCHI, I CAN TELL YOU FROM THAT EXPERIENCE, WE HAD ROCKY ROCKY PERFORMED VERY WELL.
WELL, JUST FROM THE NUMBERS,
ONE QUESTION AND WHY, WHERE IS
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CARBON? SO OVERWHELMING WHERE 87 FOR PUBLIC 82 PER SAMPLE PRO WE'VE BEEN RECYCLING, UHI HAVE A COUPLE OF REACH OUT TO ME THAT SAID, UM, WEEKLY RECYCLING IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH.
I DON'T USE THAT MUCH, BUT I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO PAY AN EXTRA BUCK A MONTH TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE RECYCLING ENOUGH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF IT.
SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN FEEDBACK.
THAT'S LET'S JUST CALL IT CONFUSION.
RIGHT? BUT NOT CONFUSION, BUT IN DECISIVENESS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT FEELINGS ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS.
UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE HERE? SO THERE'S ABOUT 15,000 HOUSEHOLDS.
OUR TOTAL POPULATION, I THINK IN THE NEW CENSUS WILL PROBABLY CREST 40,000.
BUT WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN TO THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE THE CONTRACTORS ABOUT 15,000 HOUSEHOLDS, THAT INCLUDES APARTMENTS RENTALS AND YOU KNOW, SINGLE OWNER AND SEEING THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL.
WE, WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY, IT WAS KINDA THE SAME THING.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, OUT OF 15,000 HOUSEHOLDS, I THINK HOW 11, 1200 PEOPLE FILLED OUT THE ONLINE SURVEY.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, 2,500 PEOPLE OUT OF, YOU KNOW, 25,000 REGISTERED VOTERS.
SO IT'S BUT SO APATHY IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT? WE WISH EVERYBODY WAS MORE ENGAGED, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, WE HAVE TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY ACTIVELY BEING ENGAGED IN WHAT'S GOING ON THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THEM.
SO IT'S, I THINK YOU HAVE TO REACH A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW TRENDS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU TALK TO THE CITIZENS, IF YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT A BID AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE LOWEST BID TO SAVE YOU MONEY, RIGHT.
AND IF YOU'RE LIKE, YOU, DON'T NOT, WE HEARD FROM ON YOUR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE ON FRIENDS OF YOURS.
I MEAN, SO YOU TAKE A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND YOU'RE LIKE, SORRY, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA PAY MORE.
CAUSE WE SAW YOUR PEOPLE FEEL GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW ROPE IS AN EMAIL.
IT JUST SEEMS ON A PROFESSIONAL.
IT, UH, I MEAN IT IS SO THERE'S, I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE THAT WE DO IT.
WE LISTENED TO THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO MESSAGE US.
NOW, MOST PEOPLE, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO EMAIL, UM, AND MESSAGES, UM, THAT'S OUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULDN'T KNOW IS OF THE THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE ONLINE POLL AND FACEBOOK DUDE, YOU, AGAIN, WE'VE SAID THAT'S AN UNSCIENTIFIC POLL.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S JUST KIND OF HOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM WORKS.
I MEAN, AS, AS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE COULD'VE LOOKED AT THE BIDS AND MADE THE DECISION STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION, COULD HAVE VOTED ON, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT WE HEARD ENOUGH PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
SO LET'S JUST GO BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED.
THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP REPUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S IT'S EIGHT YEARS AFTER THIS TRANSITION HAPPENED.
SO OF COURSE PRICES WERE GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE IT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EIGHT YEAR OLD CONTRACT.
SO PRICES WERE GOING TO GO UP.
BUT AFTER THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF WAS MADE TO KEEP WHAT WE HAD, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATIONS.
NO, WE RECOMMEND WE GO WITH RUNKEE.
SO THEN THAT NIGHT, ONCE THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE AT THAT WORK SESSION TO PUT IT ON TO A COUNCIL MEETING, THAT'S WHEN ALL OF OUR EMAILS STARTED BLOWING UP SAYING, DON'T CHANGE.
I THINK HE SAID NO, BUT, BUT THEY TOOK THE TIME TO EMAIL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, BEING SARCASTIC, OBVIOUSLY.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, LIKE THEY'RE SAYING, THERE'S NO SURCHARGE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU SUPPOSE IS GOING THROUGH WITH GAS.
AND THEN SO PEOPLE HAD ALREADY JUMPED US, SEARCH OUR KIDNEYS NEXT MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WHILE GAS, THEY BOX DOWN NOW.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THEY VOTE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO I'M NOT DISAGREEING, BUT WHAT, UH, WHAT I WON'T DO IS DISCOUNT ANYBODY'S VOICE.
WHO'S TOOK THE TIME TO, TO REACH OUT TO US, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH FACEBOOK OR THROUGH EMAIL, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS, BECAUSE
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THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ENGAGED ENOUGH TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS MY OPINION.AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING THAT THE LAST THING ANY OF US WANT ANYBODY TO SAY TO BELIEVE IS THAT WE'RE JUST RAILROADING THEIR OPINION AND DOING OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY WANT.
BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S NOT FAIR EITHER.
SO WE IT'S THE SYSTEM WE HAVE.
IT'S HOW PEOPLE COMMUNICATE AND, AND WE HAVE TO TAKE IN ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN GET.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THE TOWN HALL TONIGHT.
12 PEOPLE, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN.
AGAIN, THIS WAS IN THE BEGINNING.
I SAID, I JUST KIND OF SAW THIS AS A MEETING I WAS GOING TO FACILITATE.
BUT MY HOPE WAS THAT WE WERE JUST GOING TO GET LOTS OF FEEDBACK AND INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, EITHER THIS OR THIS WEEK, THE RECYCLING MOMMY FOR A SECOND, IT WAS JUST MORE INFORMATION FOR US TO GET, TO HELP MAKE A DECISION.
I DID ROUGH MATH, ONE 30, UM, CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
WE'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE JUST WHAT THE $1 38, YOU'RE TALKING LIKE $70 DIFFERENCE OVER FIVE YEARS.
SO OUTSIDE OF THE SURCHARGE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENCES, $70 THAT WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS TIME AND RESOURCES TO ARGUE WITH EACH OTHER.
HOW MANY TIMES IN THE LAST 13 YEARS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE BEEN IN THIS POSITION WHERE BEING DAMAGED SHUT DOWN, I GUESS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T COMPARE 50 YEARS TO TODAY NOW.
I'M NOT DISAGREEING AT ALL, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT'S WHAT, IT'S 20%, RIGHT? 20 WAS GOOD.
IS THAT WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS? YES.
SO IT COULD BE $3 A MONTH ON, ON THE BASE RATE THAT 20% OF IT'S $14.
SO ABOUT THREE BUCKS A MONTH, IF THAT SURCHARGE.
DO THEY CAP THE SURCHARGE OR CAN THEY KEEP
THERE'S NOT A CAP OF THE DOLLARS PER GALLON.
FUEL CAN BE THAT IT'S AT 20%, THE MOMENT I THOUGHT IT WAS A MONTHLY PRICE.
SO THE 20% IS WHEN IT GETS OVER FOUR OWNERS, 20% OF THE BASE RATE.
SO THE CHARTS DO GO UP THAT IF FUEL PRICES GO UP TO $5, IT'S LIKE 23% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT'S,
WHAT THE AVERAGE RATE IS BASED ON THE, UH, PARTNER ENERGY STREAMS AT FOUR 92, A GALLON, YOU ARE NOW AT 26.2% OF THE BASE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S JUST AT FOUR 92 PER GALLON, AND THAT'S GOING TO MOVE ON TIRE IF THERE'S EATING RIGHT.
IT MAY ONLY BE $70 OVER FIVE YEARS TO YOU, RIGHT? WHO CAN, IF YOU NEED TO, IN YOUR EXPENSES, GO UP, YOU WORK A SECOND JOB.
I'M NOT THAT FAR FROM RETIREMENT.
AND FOR EVERY INCREASE, YOU DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE PREPARED, BUT STUFF GETS SUCKED OUT OF YOUR ASSETS REAL FAST FOR EVERY INCREASE YOU DID IN SOCIAL SECURITY, YOU GET GENERALLY A GREATER INCREASE IN THE CLOSET, THE MEDICARE.
AND SO YOU GO IN THE HOLE EACH YEAR.
SO THAT $20 A YEAR MAY NOT SEEM LIKE ANYTHING TO YOU.
IT'S GOING TO HIT OUR SENIOR CITIZENS.
LOOK HOW MANY RENTALS WE HAVE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE, WHERE IT'S TAKING TWO JOBS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A RENTAL.
NOW YOU'RE TAKING MORE FROM THAT.
LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF OUR ENTIRE CITY.
YOU DEAL WITH IT AT THE SCHOOL, HOW MANY SINGLE PARENT HOMES, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO WORK WITH THEIR KIDS AND THEIR HOMEWORK BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING HOME.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP FOOD ON THE TABLE AND MAYBE THEY'RE WORKING A SECOND JOB.
SO WE NEED AS A CITY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, OUR SENIOR CITIZENS ARE UNDEREMPLOYED OR UNEMPLOYED ARE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WHERE THEY'RE STRUGGLING ON ONE INCOME TO MAKE SURE THAT OF ALL THE THINGS IN THE WORLD.
AND WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO SEE INCREASES IN OUR WATER BECAUSE OF THE WATER SOFTENING.
AND MY OPINION IS AS A SENIOR CITIZEN, I HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT I PAY FOR A WATER SOFTWARE, I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ON MY WATER BILL.
NOW MY WATER BILL IS FILLING UP.
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DO WE ALSO WANT TO HIT THEM WITH HIGHER TRASH PRICES? THAT'S THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR SENIOR CITIZENS ARE UNDER EMPLOYED OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR A SINGLE INCOME HOMES THAT HAVE ALL THE THINGS TO BECOME A BURDEN.IT'S NOT TRASH AND WHERE THEY'RE NOT GIVEN A CHOICE.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU PAY FOR THIS TRASH.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE THAT YOU'VE MADE A DEAL WITH YOUR EMPLOYER, THAT YOU TAKE THAT BAG OF TRASH AND THROW IT AWAY AT WORK.
NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY THAT X NUMBER OF DOLLARS A MONTH.
SO IT'S EASY FOR THOSE OF US SETTING HERE THAT HAVE A DECENT INCOME.
WE CAN AFFORD OUR LIFE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE STRUGGLING.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM, I HAVE ALL CONFIDENCE THAT THAT COUNCIL WILL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THE SURCHARGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD TWO PEOPLE SHOW UP TONIGHT, EVERYBODY WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD TO HAVE ANOTHER TOWN HALL SO WE COULD HAVE HEARD EVERYBODY.
BUT I THINK BASED ON SEEING TONIGHT, I THINK THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION AT OUR WORK SESSION, WHICH WILL BE TUESDAY.
AND THEN BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, IF COUNCIL CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS OF WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS ON TUESDAY, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE FOLLOWING MONDAY COUNCIL.
SO THIS COULD BE, COULD ALL BE WRAPPED UP BY END OF THE MONTH.
MS. BAKER, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? OKAY.
I JUST ASSUME THAT WE WOULD PUT OUT THE ADS.
YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR YOUR RESIDENTS.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE LOWEST PRICES.
I GET THAT THERE'S ALL THEIR THINGS INVOLVED.
WHEN CONSIDERING YOU HAVE A WAY OUT, WHY NOT 15,000 PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP HERE BECAUSE OF ALL THINGS THAT SHE JUST LISTED AND THE SURCHARGE, THE UNKNOWN SURCHARGE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CAP APPARENTLY IS GOING TO GUILTY SPEAK, LIKE THEY GET THEIR BILL.
DO YOU THINK YOU GOT ALL YOUR EMAILS NOW, WAIT, YOU'LL EAT IT FOR ANOTHER 14,000.
I MEAN, THERE'S THIS THING GOING TO BE THIS, IF THEY DO NOT BLEW THE SURCHARGE, YOU SHOULD NOT EVEN CONSIDER AT THIS POINT.
WHAT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICA? THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GIVING THEM IS CARTE BLANCHE TO KEEP HER ISN'T THAT OUR BILLS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
DID YOU GIVE US YOUR WHEN AND WHERE YOU LIVED AT YOUR NAME, SAY IT MERRICK HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR REPUBLICAN? SO IF THERE'S NO REPUBLIC, DOESN'T HAVE A SURCHARGE NOW, BUT IN THIS LATEST BID, THEY DID ADD A SURCHARGE TO THEIR, TO THEIR KERMIT.
IT'S A FUEL RECOVERY COST RECOVERY.
YEAH, NO IT'S DIESEL BASED ON THE U S HEART ENERGY.
THEY LOOK AT THE AVERAGE PRICE OF DIESEL FUEL FOR THE PREVIOUS MONTH.
AND AT THAT PREVIOUS MONTH, THAT GAS WAS OVER $4 AND 1 CENTS A GALLON.
THEN INITIALLY IT WOULD START AT 20% OF THAT BASE RATE FOR THE MONTH.
IF THE NEXT MONTH, IF IT GOES DOWN ON THE COUNT, YOUR QUARTERLY BILL, THERE WOULDN'T BE SURCHARGE.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT GOES ONGOING ONCE IT REACHES.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ONCE IT HITS.
AND IF IT DROPS, THE SURCHARGE GOES AWAY BECAUSE SINCE THEY BUILT PORTAL, THEY HAVE THE TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MONTHS THOSE WERE, THAT SURCHARGE IS GOING DOWN.
BUT YES, ROCKY DIDN'T PUT A SURCHARGE IN THEIR BID REPUBLIC.
DID THEY DON'T HAVE ONE NOW, BUT THEY ADDED.
SO, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SO PART OF AMBIGUITY, ALL THIS WAS IS SO FOR THE SAME, WHEN ROCKY SAID, HEY, WE WILL OFFER A LARGER CONTAINER FOR RECYCLING.
THE REPRESENTATIVE RUNKEE STOOD THE PODIUM AND SAID, HEY, THAT WAS MY BAD.
I THOUGHT THAT A SURCHARGE WAS REQUIRED IN THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT INTO BIG PROBLEMS OR FROM REPUBLICAN.
SO, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE OPENED THAT UP ONCE WE START SAYING, OH NO, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THIS IN OUR BID.
AND THEN WE START GOING KIND OF TIT FOR TAT HERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE LAW DIRECTOR HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMBIGUITY IN THIS.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE BED.
THAT'S WHAT COUNTS IS GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THE OTHER INFORMATION
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THAT PEOPLE WERE WILLING THAT EACH COMPANY WAS WILLING TO STATE? OH, WELL, THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENCES.UM, AND I THINK WE MAY STILL HAVE TO GET SOME FURTHER LEGAL CLARIFICATION FROM JERRY ON WHAT, ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE RIGHT PATH FORWARD HERE IS LEGALLY TO SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING WRONG 20% ON THE BASE RATE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO YOUR $16 FIRST YEAR, YOU'RE $16 AND 10 CENT A MONTH HAS JUMPED TO 1932.
WHAT IF IT GOES TO 10 SCALE? WELL, IF IT GOES
NOT YET BECAUSE WAIT, BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TAKING A BIG THEY'RE LOCKED, RIGHT.
THEY CAN'T ADD IT AFTER THEY SIGNED THE CONTRACT, PICKING YOUR TRASH UP, YOU KNOW, SO I, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A BIG ITEM OF DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SESSION.
UM, BASED ON THE OPTIONS WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE FROM WHAT LAW DIRECTOR SAID.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE WHERE WE DO NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.
I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO SEEN WAS AN EIGHT HALF BY 11 SHEET OF PAPER THAT SAID, THIS IS THE COSTS FOR, UM, WEEKLY TRASH.
THIS IS THE COST OF WEEKLY RECYCLE.
THIS IS THE COST FOR BI-WEEKLY RECYCLE.
THIS IS THE COST FOR A 96 GALLON CONTAINER.
AND THIS IS THE COST FOR A 65 GALLON CONTAINER.
AND THE OTHER 80 PAGES OF THE CONTRACT SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN THROWING THE GARBAGE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
W W WE'LL SEE IF WE GET THERE JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, MIRROR, UM, SPOKE EARLIER.
AND HE SAID THAT WE DID ASK JEREMY MCDONALD, THE LAW DIRECTOR, FOR AN OPINION ON THE BID OPTIONS.
SO FROM GERMAN MACDONALD, THE CITY CAN DETERMINE WHICH OF THE BITTERS IS THE LOWEST AND BEST ARTICULATE.
THE REASONS FOR THAT DETERMINATION AND AWARD THE CONTRACT TO THE BETTER.
THERE WERE BASICALLY THREE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
ONE IS TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO THE LOWEST AND BEST BETTER.
THE SECOND IS TO REJECT ALL BIDS AND RE ADVERTISE FOR BIDS.
AND THE THIRD IS TO REJECT ALL BIDS AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITHOUT REBUILDING.
SO COUNSEL WAS GIVEN THOSE THREE OPTIONS FROM THE LAW DIRECTOR UNDER THE DETERMINING LOWEST AND BEST.
THE LAW DIRECTOR ACTUALLY GAVE US SIX SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY VAGUE, AND THIS IS ALL PUBLIC RECORD, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN PULL THIS UP.
BUT, UM, THEY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BITTERS WORK HISTORY, INCLUDING EXPERIENCE, CONDUCT PERFORMANCE ON PREVIOUS CONTRACT, UNDER OTHER NAMES MANAGEMENT SKILLS, ABILITY TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT, UM, CUSTOMER SERVICE.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, THE BETTER HIS FINANCIAL CONDITION, OBVIOUSLY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT, WHICH, UH, SCOTT WAS ABLE TO, UM, GET A CLARIFICATION ON HOW MANY TRUCKS THEY'LL BE USING WITHIN OUR CITY.
AND, UH, I SHOULD SAY THAT ALL THESE BUILDS WERE VERY SIMILAR, UH, WITH REGARD TO THAT, UM, BETTER'S COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, UM, QUALIFICATIONS OF THEIR WORKFORCE AND OTHER ESSENTIAL FACTORS AS A CITY MAY DETERMINE.
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN AS A COUNCIL, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME LEGAL DETERMINATION ON HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED, BUT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK UP TO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US, AND THAT IS TO ACCEPT WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE LOWEST AND BEST OR REJECT ALL THE BIDS.
AND RE-ADVERTISE, IF THIS THING IS SO AMBIGUOUS, AMBIGUOUS, THAT WE'RE NOT SURE IF 65 OR 95 WAS SPELLED OUT IN AN A FOR NOT SURE THAT SOMEBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT ON A FUEL CHARGE.
AND DIDN'T THE FIRST SOMETHING THERE.
WE HAVE AN OPTION OF REJECTING ALL THE BILLS AND SAYING, LET'S DO THIS AGAIN.
AND OF COURSE THE THIRD IS WE HAVE AN OPTION OF REJECTING ALL THE BILLS AND JUST SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO AWARD THE CONTRACT THIS WAY.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD OPINION FROM OUR LAW DIRECTOR ON IT.
COUNSEL, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, BUY US SOME TIME.
WE'VE EXTENDED THE EXISTING CONTRACT WITH NO INCREASING IN PAY OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INCREASING THE CHARGE.
SO THE EXISTING CONTRACT HAS BEEN EXTENDED FOR 30 DAYS.
THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL THE END OF JUNE.
SO WE'D HOPE TO WHATEVER WE HAVE DONE, UM, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER,
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TO ALLOW IF THE BID IS RUNKEE THAT TRANSITION PERIOD TRANSITION PROCESS.IF IT IS REPUBLIC, THEN EVERYBODY HAS WHAT THEY HAVE.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 30 DAY EXTENSION REPUBLIC AGREED TO THERE'S NO INCREASE IN THE PRICE.
SO COUNCIL DOES HAVE SOME TIME TO WEIGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST, WHAT THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS.
I, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I DEALT WITH SPECIFICATIONS AND BITS ON TRASH.
UM, IT SAYS THE HAULER MAY PROPOSE A FUEL SURCHARGE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, OR IF THEY CAN'T READ THAT, FIGURE IT OUT.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING A BIT ANYWAYS.
THEY NEED TO GET DADDY, DID YOU FOR THAT? SO WE WILL HAVE TO INSULT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT.
I'M JUST SAYING
AND HIS INTERPRETATION WAS THAT A FUEL SURCHARGES REQUESTED.
SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST TAKING HIM AT HIS WORD THE SAME AS I'M TAKING THEM AT THEIR WORD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY A 65 OR 96 GALLON CART.
IF THEY ASKED FOR ONE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT REALLY SPECIFIED VERY CLEAR IN THE VIDEO THERE.
SO THAT, THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM AS I'M SEEING HERE.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT RAN INTO DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY.
I SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS NODDING THEIR HEAD IN AGREEMENT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER OF THIS EVENING? I THINK, WELL, SO THE
YOU CAN WATCH EVERY VIDEO WE HAVE.
YOU CAN COME IN PERSON, YOU GET TO SEE ME, BUT ALL THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC.
SO EVERY, SO AFTER EACH WORK SESSION.
SO THE WAY OUR MEETINGS, WHERE WE HAVE A WORK SESSION, WHERE ALL THE THINGS ARE DISCUSSED, AND THEN COUNCIL AGREES TO MOVE SPECIFIC ITEMS ONTO THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT WOULD FOLLOW THE NEXT WEEK AFTER EACH ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
UH, MR. ROGERS PROVIDES ME A SUMMARY OF ALL THE COUNCIL ACTIONS.
WE POST THOSE ON FACEBOOK AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN READ AND SEE WHAT ALL THE ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE BY COUNTING IN THE WORK SESSION AND THE SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETING.
AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY MEAN WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, UM, WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE OR WHAT WAS CHOSEN.
WE'VE DECIDED TO GO BACK AND REINSTATE.
WE HAVE A DIGITAL NEWSLETTER, UM, THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
WE HAVE A, UH, WE WILL CERTAINLY ADVERTISE IT ON THE WEBSITE.
WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE GOING BACK TO A WRITTEN NEWSLETTER.
NOW THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT QUARTERLY IN ALL THE WATER BILLS.
SO COUNCIL'S MADE THE DECISION TO RE-INSTITUTE THAT FORM OF COMMUNICATION.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING, A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE, BUT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'VE WATCHED THE MEETING OR LOGAN, THE WEBSITE, AND YOU'RE STILL NOT SURE TO CALL THE FRONT DESK.
THEY'LL ABSOLUTELY TELL YOU WHO THE TRASH COMPANY, TRASH COMPANY IS.
SO, SO THERE, YEAH, LET'S DO THAT TRANSITION PERIOD.
YOU'D BE NOTIFIED BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, RUMP, REPUBLICAN HAVE TO COME AND PICK UP THEIR CARTS, RUMP.
YOU HAVE TO DELIVER THE NEW ONES.
SO ALL THAT PROCESS WOULD, WOULD GO THROUGH AND AGAIN, FIGURING OUT YOUR BILLING AND HOW YOU ENDED UP TO PAY ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO, SO THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF TIME IN THAT TRANSITION PERIOD.
IF THERE'S A CHANGE, IF THERE'S NOT A CHANGE, THEY'LL JUST KEEP, KEEP GOING THE WAY IT IS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ELSE FOR THIS EVENING? OKAY, WELL, LOOK, WE'VE SPENT AN HOUR TOGETHER.
I THINK BE A GREAT DISCUSSION, GREAT DEBATE.
UH, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING.
THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW HOW YOU FEEL.
AND, UH, AGAIN, DON'T BE AFRAID TO EMAIL COMMUNICATE, SEND US A MESSAGE, DO WHATEVER YOU CAN, IF YOU, IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, ANYTHING ELSE YOU CLARIFIED.
AND THEN CERTAINLY PLEASE TUNE INTO OUR WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY WHERE CERTAINLY THIS WILL HAVE A MUCH BROADER DISCUSSION BASED AROUND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND, AND WHAT COUNCIL CHOOSES YOU DO.
HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.