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I SHOULD CALL THE MEETING OF THE CITY HUBER
[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road May 11, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]
HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JEFFRIES, MISS OFF HERE, MS. THOMAS HERE, MS. VAR, MR. WALTON HERE.I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS AS ANYONE ELSE.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
DO YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
UH, ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT TO STEP TO THE PODIUM AND SPELL THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND SIGN IN ON THE SHEET PROVIDED WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A LOT SPLIT.
THE APPLICANT CAMPBELL BERLIN HUBER HEIGHTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT OF 0.154 ACRES AT 48 20 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, 17 CASE 21 DASH 13.
UH, THE FIRST CASE TONIGHT, UH, THAT THE FIRST TWO CASES ARE KIND OF COMPANION PIECES, UH, THAT, UH, GO TOGETHER.
UH, THE FIRST IS A LOT SPLIT AT 48 20 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED NEXT TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE QUAIL RIDGE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO A LITTLE BACKSTORY, THE QUAIL RIDGE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, CAME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THROUGH CITY COUNCIL FOR THE REZONING TO PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
AND THERE WAS AN APPROVAL THROUGH THAT PROCESS FOR A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
THE APPLICANT, UH, THEN, UH, STARTED MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THEIR DETAILED PLANS AS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, UM, WENT OUT AND DID SOME MORE SOIL STUDIES, UH, BORINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING AT THE SITE AT THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITES, THEY FOUND THAT, UH, UH, THEY KNEW THERE WAS ROCK, BUT THEY FOUND ROCK THAT WAS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE, UM, THAT IT WOULD BASICALLY TAKE DYNAMITE TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE, UH, THE, THE SUBDIVISION WORK, TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN THE STREETS AND THE HOUSES.
SO WHAT THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR IS A NEW PLAN THAT, UH, WILL, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL FAST FORWARD TO, UH, KIND OF WHAT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE TO HAVE A LARGE OPEN SPACE, UH, IN THAT AREA.
THAT IS PRETTY MUCH UNDEVELOPABLE IN COMING UP WITH THIS PLAN, UM, THERE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THE LOTS WORK AND SOME OF THE IDEAS OF HAVING FLAG LOTS, UH, FOR, FOR LARGER LOTS THERE, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THEY NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND FROM THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
THEY SPOKE WITH THE CURRENT OWNER AND HE IS AGREEABLE TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION TRANSACTION.
SO BACK TO WHAT THE REQUEST, THIS FIRST REQUEST IS, IS TO SPLIT OFF A SLIVER OF THAT LAND TO BE ABLE TO TRANSFER TO THE NEW QUAIL RIDGE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A SMALL SLIVER 0.15, FOUR ACRES.
THE SIZE OF IT IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO BE A STANDARD RESIDENTIAL LOT AND DOES NOT HAVE FRONTAGE ON ANY ROADWAY.
SO AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE DECISION RECORD, THIS A NEW WATCH CREATED SHALL BE COMBINED WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO THEY CANNOT BE LEFT AS A LOT ON ITS OWN DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS AND IT WOULD JUST BE A, A LONER PARCEL.
UM, SO, UM, THIS, UH, ALSO THIS PROPERTY SHALL BE REZONED TO MATCH THE ZONING OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY EXIST.
IT IS STRAIGHT ZONED AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR IS PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT CASE IS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL PLAN MODIFYING THE EXISTING QUAIL RANGE AND INCLUDING THIS PIECE.
IT'S THE RIGHT QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS.
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NOPE.WELL, THEY'RE UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING, BOB CRONE GOLD, UH, 33 33 MADISON PIKE PORTRAY KENTUCKY FOUR ONE OH ONE SEVEN.
UM, I THINK SCOTT DID A GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS EXPLAINING WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT, UM, WE WERE BEFORE YOU, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, WE DID HIT A TERM I'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE, WHICH WAS, UM, COMPARABLE DOLOMITE.
SO WE HIT ROCK THAT IS AS HARD AS CEMENT, SO CAUSED US TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH.
AND, UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK SCOTT DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE JOB MOVING FORWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? YES, SIR.
I LIVE AT 63 67 STONY CREEK DRIVE, W A R N E R.
CAN YOU JUST HELP ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN HOUR FOUR, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS AND IT'S CHANGED TO A PLANNED CAUSE WHEN I KIND OF LOOKED THROUGH LIKE THAT PLAN CHANGES THE TYPES OF STRUCTURES OR DOES IT STILL JUST A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT? UH, I'LL SAY THEY CAN ASK FOR ANY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE MULTIFAMILY.
YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE, LOTS, BUT YOU KNOW, PLANNED IT'S SPECIFIC APPROVALS.
SO THE SPECIFIC APPROVAL FOR THE PLANNED, UH, RESIDENTIAL HERE IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
SO IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY IN ANY WAY IF, UH, ANY KIND OF CHANGES HAS TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN.
SO YOU'LL BE NOTIFIED AGAIN AND AS WE ARE TODAY, UM, BECAUSE OF MODIFICATIONS, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MODIFICATION IN THE LOT SIZES ON THE EXISTING LOTS, THAT THEY HAVE JUST A REDUCTION OF LOTS.
AND A COUPLE OF, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S LARGER FLAG, LOTS WITH THIS.
SO IN THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ABLE TO BE DONE IS, UM, IN OUR CURRENT CODE FOR AN R FOUR, FOR A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION, IT WOULD REQUIRE A FULL, UH, MASONRY WRAP OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SO WHICH, UH, IS, UH, WHAT I'M TOLD IS A LITTLE HARDER TO DO FROM DEVELOPERS NOWADAYS FROM A COST STANDPOINT.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS IN THERE AS FOR THE BUILDING MATERIALS, SO THAT IT MATCHES SOME OF THE OTHERS AROUND, UM, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO IS THERE A CHANGE IN THE ESTIMATED HOME VALUES AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE PLAN THAT'S GOING IN? ARE THEY CHANGING THE VALUE FROM SAY 200 TO ONE 50? OR IS IT STILL THAT VALUE STAYING ROUGHLY THE SAME AS WHAT LEXINGTON PLAN? AND SO, UM, TH THIS WAS COMPARABLE TO LEXINGTON PLACE WHEN IT CAME THROUGH AND THOSE HOME VALUES, THAT WAS A DISCUSSION WHEN LIKE STAY IN PLACE FOR A REZONING.
UM, WHAT WE'VE NOTICED IS THE HOME VALUES OF THE NEW HOMES BEING BUILT IN LEXINGTON PLACE ARE HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE OVER THERE.
SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN GOOD HOME VALUES COMING IN, AND THESE ARE, UH, FOLLOWING THE SAME STANDARDS AS THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.
AND HEARING NO ONE WILL LOSE THAT PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY CAMPBELL BURLING, HUBER HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT OF 0.154 ACRES FROM PARCEL PIECE 70 ZERO FOUR ZERO ZERO FOUR ZERO ZERO NINE ONE ON THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 13 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MAY 6TH, 2021, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION REC RECORD ATTACHED TO THERE TO MOVE BY MS. VARGOS THERE A SECOND.
SECOND BY MS. THOMAS SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JEFFREY? YES.
NEXT ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR CHANGE IN REZONING.
THE APPLICANT CAMPBELL BURLING HUBER HEIGHTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING FROM OUR, FOR RESIDENTS TO PR
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PLAN RESIDENTIAL FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG ROADS, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 14.UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A, THE SECOND PART TO THIS PROJECT.
UH, NOW THAT THAT LOT IS SPLINT.
THERE IS A REQUEST TO, UH, DO A MAJOR CHANGE AND REZONING TO COMBINE THOSE TWO LOTS, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE, UH, NORTH IS TO THE LEFT ON THE PLAN THAT'S UP AT, ON THE SCREEN ITSELF.
SO ON THE WEST SIDE, THOSE LOTS ARE THE SAME AS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
SO ALL THE SIZES OF LOTS ARE FOLLOW THE EXACT SAME, UM, AS THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
UH, THE CHANGE IS, UH, TAKING OUT THAT LOOP AND ENDING INTO A CUL-DE-SAC.
SO STILL HAVE THE TWO DETENTION AREAS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE STILL HAVE, HAS THE SAME BUFFER ZONES AS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, UM, AND STILL HAS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS THAT GOES OUT ON TWO HIGHLY PARK.
UH, SO THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS ENDING INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN ADDING THE GREEN SPACE AND THEN ADDING FOUR OF THE FLAG LOTS.
SO THOSE WILL HAVE ACCESS POINTS OFF OF THE NEW STREET THAT'S PUT IN AND HAVE SHARED DRIVEWAYS, SO THAT WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE FINAL PLANNING FOR EASEMENTS, UH, FOR, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS THE, THAT COMMON ACCESS POINT FOR EACH OF THOSE FLAG, LOTS THEMSELVES, UM, AS PART OF THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD, UM, I'M PROPOSING THAT THERE SHALL BE, UM, DRIVE ACCESS OUT TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD FROM ANY OF THOSE LOTS.
UH, THOSE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ACCESS ONTO THE NEW ROAD AND ONLY THE STREET CONNECTION OUT TO CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
UH, SO, UM, THIS WOULD, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF LOTS.
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS ON THIS NOW WOULD BE 43 LOTS.
SO IT'S A REDUCTION IN DENSITY OVERALL AND CREATION OF A, A LOT LARGER GREEN SPACE, UH, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFERSON, I CAN REMEMBER ON THE, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD FROM HALEA WASN'T IT, THERE WAS SOMETHING TO WHERE WE COULDN'T EXTEND THE ROAD AT THE TIME.
IS THERE A REASON WE DID THAT EMERGENCY PATH INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY PUTTING A ROAD IN BACK WHEN THE ORIGINAL QUAIL RIDGE PROPOSAL CAME THROUGH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ERIN LANE AND HIALEAH PARK AND ABOUT, COULD THE DEVELOPMENT CONNECT TO THOSE ROADS AT THAT POINT IN TIME PLANNING, COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT STANDARD STREET CONNECTIONS TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE STREETS DUE TO THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND FIRE CODE.
THERE HAD TO BE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT ORIGINALLY WAS APPROVED FOR THE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AND THEN AS THE PROJECT HAS, UH, BEEN MODIFIED THROUGH THE YEARS, THAT CONCEPT HAS COOL.
SO ON THE ONE WHERE YOU'RE CALLING THE FLAG LOTS, I MEAN, HAVE WE EVER DONE THIS IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE RUN PEOPLES THAT SHARED DRIVEWAYS BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS, ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT THROUGH PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS? BASICALLY, THERE ARE SOME LOTS IN HUBER HEIGHTS LIKE THAT.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF WE'VE APPROVED ANY RECENTLY, BUT THERE ARE SOME, YES.
BECAUSE TO ME IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE SQUEEZING FOUR LOTS IN TO TRY AND GET A COUPLE SINCE WE LOST THE LOOP.
I MEAN, UM, THAT THEY'RE CREATING, THOSE ARE LARGER LOTS THAN THE OTHERS, SO YOU CAN CALL THEM MORE LIKE A STATE LOTS.
THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT AS WELL.
NOW AS FAR GO, UH, UH, SCOTT, DO YOU KNOW IF, WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH THE GREEN SPACE? WELL, THERE'LL BE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WILL BE WALKING PATHS OR HAVE YOU, UH, IS THAT SOMETHING I NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT? YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN INFORMED OF ANYTHING BEYOND BELIEF, THE NATURAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELL, GOING UP TO THE PUBLIC, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? OH, CRONE GOLD AGAIN.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THE OPEN SPACE.
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IT'S PRETTY HEAVILY TREED.SO IT WOULD BE A PASSIVE AREA.
I IMAGINE PEOPLE WOULD ENJOY IT.
UH, IT WAS JUST WALKING THROUGH IT.
WE HAVE NOT, UM, PROGRAMMED ANY KIND OF PATH OR ANYTHING IN THERE.
SO AT THIS TIME YOU HAVE NO PLANS TO TAKE DOWN ANY OF THE TREES, BUILD A PATH, PUT IN A PLAYGROUND.
YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AS IS THAT'S OUR INTENT AT THIS POINT? YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO, UM, PUTTING FORTH SOME SORT OF PLAN FOR THAT AREA BECAUSE ESPECIALLY, UH, THE ONE TO THE NORTH LOOKS QUITE LARGE, IT'S A FAIRLY STEEP SLOPE.
SO, UM, I'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT'S, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT A 25% SLOPE OF TREE WITH A ROCK ABOUT SIX FEET DOWN FROM THE CHROMA, FROM THE GRADE ROCKS, ABOUT SIX FEET DOWN.
SO GRADING THAT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION, UM, CUTTING TREES DOWN TO MAKE A WALKING TRAIL.
IT WOULDN'T BE VERY ACCESSIBLE.
UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY ACCESSIBLE, DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE ANY SORT OF BARRIER TO GET INTO THE AREA OR IT WILL BE WIDE OPEN ON ALL SIDES.
IT WILL BE JUST A NATURALIZED AREA, WIDE OPEN ON ALL SIDES.
UM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO YOU SAY IT'S A STEEP HILL HAVING A SLEDDING HILL IN THE WINTER TIME? NEVERMIND.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, THAT OPEN SPACE IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE REAR OF MOST OF THE LOTS.
AND I SEE ONE LITTLE AREA THAT GOES OUT TO CHAMBERSBURG IS THAT THE ONLY ACCESSIBILITY TO IT? I MEAN, THE REST OF THE LOTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONES ONE, TWO, THREE, YOU KNOW, THOSE NUMBERS WILL NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO IT JUST BY WAY THAT IT WILL BE IN THE BACKYARD, BUT NORTH NO FORMAL ACCESS, MR. JEFFREY, ON THESE, THESE SHARED DRIVEWAYS FOUR, SO 39 AND 40 COMING OUT IN 34 35.
I MEAN, IS THIS LITERALLY JUST A LONG DRIVEWAY? IS THE INTENTION.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT JUST DOING A ROAD THAT GOES BACK TO THREE LOTS INSTEAD OF FOUR SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SHARING A DRIVEWAY AND I MEAN, JUST MASHING STUFF IN IS BASICALLY THE WAY IT COMES OFF BECAUSE LIKE PEOPLE IN LOTS 38 AND 41 33 AND 36, THEIR BACKYARD SIDE YARDS ARE GOING TO HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH RUNNING THROUGH IT BASICALLY, OR ALONG THE EDGE OF IT.
WHERE IF IT'S A ROAD, AT LEAST IT TERMS UP AND STANDS MORE LIKE A STREET INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY RUNNING ALONG MY FENCE LINE.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD LOOK MORE, I GUESS, THOUGHT THROUGH OR COMPLETE.
IF WE HAVE A ROAD GOING TO A CLUSTER OF HOMES, INSTEAD OF SOME PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS RUNNING THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY TO GET BACK TO THEIR HOUSE THAT IS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
SO WE, THIS IS TO US, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE A NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS.
IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE FOR A PANHANDLE LOT, AND IT'S NOT A VERY OBTRUSIVE WHEN YOU SEE A, TO PROBABLY 12 TO 15 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY.
SO IT CAN BE LANDSCAPED AND SCREENED, BUT THIS IS A SORT OF A COMMON PRACTICE THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE ON PANHANDLE TYPE LOT.
SO A ROAD BECOMES A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED WITH MAINTENANCE AND WIDTH AND, AND THE SHARING OF, UH, CROSS SEASONS WITH EVERYBODY.
SO THIS IS SORT OF A TYPICAL SET UP OF WHAT WE DO WITH PANHANDLES.
AND I'VE SEEN THE LONG DRIVES LIKE THIS OUT IN THE COUNTRY, BUT NOT IN A SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, I CAN JUST TELL THAT THOSE 33 36, 38 41, GRANTED, IT'S NOT ME BUYING THE HOUSE, BUT I WOULD NEVER BUY ONE WITH A DRIVE THROUGH DRIVEWAY RUNNING ALONG MY SIDE YARD.
I UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM WHAT YOU SAID, UM, HAVING A ROAD INSTEAD OF A DRIVEWAY IT'S DOES SPLIT UP THE TRAFFIC SO THAT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH TRAFFIC NEXT TO TWO LOTS.
LET'S PUT A ROAD WOULD BE TWO LANES WIDE WITH CURBS, AND I HAVE TWO LOTS THAT HAVE THE SIDE.
THEY HAVE MORE TRAFFIC GOING NEXT TO THEM AND MORE MAINTENANCE FOR THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, WHAT ARE THE ROADS CONSTRUCT THE ROADS GOING FROM THE PROPERTY OUT TO THE STREET? IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE DIRT? IS THAT GOING TO BE GRAVEL? IS THAT, UH, ASPHALT OR IT'LL BE CONCRETE, CONCRETE.
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WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THE LONG DRIVE? IT WILL BE A SHARED MAINTENANCE ACCESS EASEMENT FOR THE TWO LOTS IT'LL COME ATTACHED TO THE LOT BY WAY OF A DEED RESTRICTION CODE AND ALL THAT IT'S SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO, NO MATTER IF THEY LIKE EACH OTHER OR NOT.THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING WHEN THEY BUY A LOT.
SO I GUESS FOR 38, 41 33 36, THE ONES THAT YOU SAID, THE ONES BUYING THE LONG DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.
WHAT ARE WE PUTTING IN PLACE BEFORE THOSE OTHER BUYERS MOVE IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO END UP WITH IN THE END AS WELL, THAT THEY'LL SEE A MARKETING BROCHURE THAT WILL SHOW THOSE.
CAN WE MAKE IT MORE THAN JUST A BROCHURE AND MAKE SURE THERE'S A DISCLOSURE THAT SAYS THEY KNEW FOR SURE, WE'RE GUARANTEED TO BE INFORMED THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT TO YOU.
YOU MENTIONED, UM, WHICH, WHICH STREET WAS IT? YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE CONCRETE, PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS ON THE PANHANDLE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC STREET.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES, SIR.
DO I NEED TO RESTATE ANDY WARNER? SIX THREE SIX, SEVEN STONE CREEK DOC WR.
AND YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, UM, MS. FARGO'S QUESTION, MAYBE ABOUT THE LARGE GREEN SPACE.
IT IS VERY, VERY SLOPEY, VERY, VERY ROCKY AND IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY HEAVILY WOODED.
THERE'S REALLY A FAIR AMOUNT OF, OF NICE WILDLIFE THAT OCCUPIED THAT AREA.
IT ALSO CONNECTS UP TO THE LAND LAB.
LIKE THERE'S A VERY SHORT HALF TO GET TO WISE MORIN'S LAND LAB, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, UM, HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED IN A FEW YEARS, BUT HOPEFULLY THE SCHOOL FIGURED OUT A WAY TO BRING THAT BACK.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A WALKING TRAILS GO, IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM WHERE THE CALL, THE SACK AND STUFF IS AREA OVER TO THAT LAND LAB FOR, FOR A PATH OR THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUT THE, THE LARGE GREEN SPACE THAT IT IS TO PUT IN WALKING TRAILS.
I HONESTLY COULDN'T IMAGINE YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO BE GOING UPHILL OR ON A SLANT, PROBABLY AT LEAST 50% OF THE TIME.
AND IT WOULD, IT'S NOT REAL PRACTICAL, I GUESS, IF THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE USE OF IT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I'M GOING TO REMOVE THIS.
I CAN'T BREATHE TOO WELL, THANK YOU.
MA'AM I HAVE HAD COVID AND I'VE HAD THE, BOTH MY SHOTS.
SO I GUESS I'M GETTING BETTER IN MY LAB ASKING YOU QUESTIONS HERE, YOUR NAME, AND, UH, COULD YOU SIGN THAT ON? SORRY, STEVE CORCORAN.
I OWN THE PROPERTY ON 62, 20 AARON.
AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU SENDING US A CARD, SO I KNEW THIS WAS GOING ON.
AND I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM THE OWNER TWO DAYS BEFORE I GOT THE CAR AND ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO BUY IT.
I THOUGHT SOMETHING'S WRONG HERE.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO GET OUT IN FRONT HERE.
WE NEED TO MAKE, WE NEED TO MAKE A, UH, A, UH, A RECORD OF THE FACT THAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BACK WHEN THIS STARTED THE LAST TIME THAT IF THIS FAT FIT THE REST OF THE HOMES AROUND IT, AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD PROPERLY.
UM, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED THE LOT SIZES, AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT THE LOT SIZES AND STONY CREEK, WHERE THE, YOU HAD STONY CREEK AND YOU HAD, UM, UH, LUXTON PLACE.
AND I WENT AND MEASURED THOSE AND THE SMALLEST LOT I FOUND WAS 72 FEET
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WIDE AND 60 FEET WIDE, STONY CREEKS, ACTUALLY 75 TO A HUNDRED FEET EACH TO THE SOUTH OF THERE.YOU HAVE OUR STREET, WHICH IS ALL OUR ONE ZONING TO THE NORTH OF THERE.
SO SIR, WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT THEY WERE, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE THE SAME, THAT IT FIT THE, THE REST OF THE COMMUNITIES, WHICH KIND OF UPSETS ME.
BUT IF YOU COULD TELL US HOW YOU FIGURED THAT OUT, BASED ON ZONING, NOT NECESSARILY BAIT.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT IT WAS BASED ON ACTUAL FIELD MEASUREMENT OF THE LOTS.
THIS ZONING MATCHES THE ZONING OF THE LOTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING.
AND, UH, UM,
AND THAT WAS AT THE PREVIOUS CASE.
SO, SO THAT WAS OUR FOREST ZONING.
IS THAT RIGHT, SIR? R FOUR IS WHAT OUR FOUR IS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THERE.
AND THEN OURS ARE ONE, OF COURSE ON NORTH OF THE SOUTH.
THERE'S, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF, UH, OUR FOUR ZONING OR FOUR B ON THE R ONE.
AND THOSE ARE THE SAME AS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR HERE.
WELL, THEY'RE ASKING TO STAY THE SAME AS WHAT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED IN LOT SIZE.
SO OUR FOUR AND P ARE THE SAME.
THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL SIZES MATCH THE ARE FOR ZONING DISTRICTS FOR WIDTH AND DEPTH AND THE SETBACKS AS WELL.
SO 60 FEET IS THE SAME AS 72 FEET OR A HUNDRED FEET.
ZONING IS JUST MINIMUMS. SO THERE ARE LOTS LARGER THAN WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT THEY ASKED IF THE TWO EXISTING AREAS WERE THE SAME AND THERE'S NO LOTS THAT ARE THE SAME.
SO HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? THEY'RE THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UH, THE MINIMUMS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THERE, THERE'S NOTHING CLOSE TO A 60 FOOT LOT NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, OR WEST OF THIS PROJECT.
NOW, IF YOU TOOK A CORRIDOR OVER THERE WHERE THE FRONT YARDS IS WIDE, AND THEN IT'S THAT WIDE IN THE BACK POSSIBLY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING AROUND THIS THAT HAS A LOT, THE SIZE OF THESE LOTS.
AND IF YOU GO TO ANY OF THE PLANTS ARE BEING BUILT IN HUBER HEIGHTS OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT HAS 60 FOOT WIDE, LOTS HUGE DIFFERENCE, LEXINGTON PLACES BUILDING THE SAME LOTS.
AT THE OTHER END, NOT NEXT TO NOT NEXT TO THIS PROJECT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT AND GO OVER TO LAXTON PLACE AND LOOK AT THE FIRST PART THAT YOU COME IN FROM THE NORTH, AND THEN LOOK AT THE LOTS THAT YOU HAVE FROM THE SOUTH.
NOTHING THE SAME, THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP AND HAVE THAT ON RECORD.
THAT THAT WAS NOT TRUE, THAT THEY AREN'T THE SAME AS WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THIS THING.
AND IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU GO TO A 60 FOOT WIDE LOT.
IT JUST, SO ANYWAY, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THERE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE? IT'S KIND OF SMALL PROPOSAL FOR THE STREETS SECTION IS THE SAME AS WHAT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED FOR A 50 FOOT WIDE, RIGHT OF WAY FOR A 27 FOOT BACK-TO-BACK WITH CURBS ON THE STREETS AND FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
NO DOUBLE STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALKS.
ARE THEY RIGHT OUT THE STANDARDS SECTION THAT IT'S SEVEN AND A HALF FEET BETWEEN CURVES.
COULDN'T TELL BY THE, THE, THE PICTURE HERE.
UH, AND YOU USE, YOU SAY AARON STILL HAS THE 20 FOOT, UM, UM, BUFFER ZONE AS WHAT THE OTHER ONE DID.
WELL THAT OTHER QUESTION HERE.
SO THE REASON FOR GOING FROM OUR FORD A PR IS WHAT, OH, THEY'RE NOT ASKING, IT'S NOT OUR FAULT RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE CHANGE, THE STREET LAYOUT, THIS SAYS REZONING FROM OUR FOUR TO PR.
SO THAT'S THAT THE SLIVER, THE SLIVER PIECE THAT WAS
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SPLIT SO THAT IT CAN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE ABOVE, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, MAJOR CHANGE OR REZONING AS THE, THAT SLIVER PIECE TO BE ABLE TO BE COMBINED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT ON A PARCEL.UH, YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN ONE SINGLE PARCEL.
SO JUST THE PART THAT IS SPLIT, THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THIS IS BEING RESOLVED FROM THE R FOUR TOO.
SO THESE SOUNDS ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FRONTS THAT HAVE TO BE BRICK OR STONE OR SOLID SURFACE.
IS THAT, THAT IS NOT BEING RE REQUESTED TO CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED THERE ARE $400,000 HOUSE SITTING OVER THERE.
IT'S A GO AND LOOK AT THE VINYL SIDING ON THAT FROM FITCHBURG ROAD, YOU CAN JUST DRIVE BY IT AND YOU LOOK OVER AND IT'S LIKE THIS, UH, THAT ARE HAVING HARD TIME GETTING GOOD EMPLOYEES, I THINK.
CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANG VINYL.
BUT UH, AND THEN YOU GO ON BACK AND LOOK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENS TO VINYL AFTER JUST EIGHT YEARS, IT'S GOT GREEN ALL OVER AND PEOPLE DON'T OR STAMPS SUPPOSED TO WASH IT.
SO, WHICH IS KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I'M TOO PICKY.
I GUESS YOU JUST LET THE GREEN GIRL AND THAT'S NATURAL.
UM, SHOULD I TAKE TIME TO FILL MY NAME OUT HERE OR SIT DOWN THERE AND DO IT OR WHAT? JUST FILL THAT OUT NOW, SIR.
PARDON ME? TAKE TIME NOW DO IT NOW.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? NO ONE, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT CAMPBELL BERLIN HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC, FOR A MAJOR CHANGE IN REZONING FROM OUR FOUR RESIDENTS, THE PR PLAY IN RESIDENTIAL FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED ON CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, PARCEL NUMBER CEP P 70 ZERO FOUR ZERO ZERO FOUR ZERO ZERO ZERO NINE.
AND PART OF PARCEL
ONE OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDS, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 14.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MAY 6TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
I HAD A QUESTION BEFORE WE ALL WERE ON THAT CUT.
SO, UM, WITH THESE OBVIOUSLY THE LOTS BEING SMALLER, WHICH HE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT ARE WE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THESE PLANS SHOULD START COMING IN WITH THE MAILBOX CLUSTERS LOCATED IN A LOTTED FOR WITHIN THESE LOTS OF THIS POINT, SINCE IT'S A REQUIREMENT MOVING FORWARD? I BELIEVE THE MAILBOX CLUSTERS IS A DETAILED PLAN, DISCUSSION AND LAYOUT.
UM, THE SAME FOR OTHER, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURES LIKE THAT.
SO YES, AT THE DETAILED AMOUNT OF PLAN PHASE GO.
SO THAT'LL BE THE NEXT ONE THEN FOR US.
I JUST, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE ALLOTTING FOR IT IN HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO SURPRISE TO THE DEVELOPER WHEN THEY COME IN AND WE ASK ABOUT SACRIFICING A LOT TO MAKE ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR MAIL.
AND THEN, AND I GUESS MY ONLY ADD IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AND IT DOES GET VOTED YES.
TO PASS IS HAVING SOMETHING OFFICIAL IN WRITING ABOUT DISCLOSURES TO THOSE ADJOINING PROPERTIES NEXT TO THAT EXTENDED DRIVEWAY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE TWO THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO SURPRISES AFTER THE POINT OF SALE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN ADD AS AN AMENDMENT? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOME LANGUAGE.
I WOULD PREFER THAT IT'S A REQUIREMENT, NOT A WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY KNOW.
SO DRIVEWAY ACCESS SHALL BE DISCLOSED TO LOTS 33 36 38 AND 41 PRIOR TO SALES.
DISCLOSE IN WRITING IN WRITING.
NO, THE SALES PERSON WILL TELL THEM, DID YOU CATCH THAT? OKAY.
I WASN'T WRITING AS I WAS SPEAKING.
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IT'S 40 INCLUDED.WELL, 40 IS ONE OF THOSE FLAG LOTS.
SO, UM, THAT'S AGAIN, THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUYING THAT THEY HAVE JUST REFERENCED THE DISCLOSURE TO ALL FLAG LOTS AND LOTS OF TOUCHING FLAG WATTS.
AND THAT'D BE THE EASIEST WAY.
DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO FLAG LOTS SHALL BE NOTIFIED IN WRITING TO ADJACENT LOTS GOOD PRESET BEFORE SALE.
NOW WE'LL BE PLAYING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD AS AMENDED MOTION MOVED BY MISS OP.
IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE RULING MS. THOMAS? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE NEXT STEP IS AS THIS, UH, THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND SO WE WILL SEND OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS AGAIN, UH, FOR THE WORK SESSION AND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT IS ROGER WHITE IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MAJOR CHANGE FOR DOG TRAINING FACILITY AND PROPERTY LOCATED AT 61 66 APACHE STREET ZONING CASE 21 DASH 15.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS, UH, IT'S UH, SOME PLANNED PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS, AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A CHURCH LOCATED ON THE SITE.
UH, SO THE PROPERTY IS UP FOR SALE AND THERE IS A, UH, SOMEBODY THAT'S, UH, LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR A DOG TRAINING FACILITY, UM, THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, UH, ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUEST IS, IS THAT, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THE BUILDING FOR THE INTERIOR USE FOR THE DOG TRAINING, THEY OUTSIDE AREA, UM, SINCE I'VE, UH, PROVIDED THE STAFF REPORT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR REQUEST IS THE OUTSIDE AREA IS JUST TO TAKE THE DOGS OUT TO USE THE RESTROOM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT NOT TO UTILIZE THE OUTDOOR AREA FOR TRAINING ITSELF.
UM, AS A PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT STAFF HAD IS, UH, THAT THE, ANY AREA THAT'S TO BE USED FOR TRAINING, BE SURROUNDED BY A MINIMUM OF SIX FOOT TALL PRIVACY FENCE.
UH, SO IF THERE WERE TO BE A REQUEST FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF THAT IT BE IN THAT ENCLOSED AREA, PRIVACY FENCE THAT, UM, IS NOT VISIBLE TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORING USES.
THERE ARE, UH, LOCATED ON TWO OF THE SIDES OF THIS PROPERTY, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND THEN TO THE REAR OF IT, THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
UH, SO, UH, IN THE PLANS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS, UH, THIS IS A PRINCIPLE PERMITTED USE, UH, THAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, IF APPROVED THROUGH THIS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL PROCESS, THERE ARE, THERE IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT IS, UH, PAVED, UH, LOCATED, UH, AT THE, UH, THE ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS, UH, THE ABILITY 14 SPACES.
AND THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT AT APACHE ROAD.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR, UM, ANY KIND OF NEW UTILITY EXTENSIONS FOR THIS USE.
UM, AND, UH, AS, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THAT, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO USE THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR DOG TRAINING.
THERE WILL BE NO UNATTENDED OR BOARDING OF ANIMALS AT ANY TIME.
SO, UH, THERE WILL NOT BE KENNELING INSIDE THE BUILDING OVERNIGHT, UH, FOR THAT IT'S TO BE USED FOR TRAINING AND, UH, DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS WITH THE TRAINERS ON SITE FOR THAT,
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UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND, UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AS FARGO TRAIN OR ON SITE, WILL HE LIVE THERE OR HE'LL ONLY BE ONSITE DURING OPEN HOURS? THIS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED AS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD NOT, UH, THAT SOMEBODY COULD NOT LIVE THERE.
UH, NOW THE FENCING THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY IS ONLY, IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY AROUND THERE.
THERE IS SOME FENCING, ONE, IT'S NOT PRIVACY FENCING, AND IT'S ONLY IN CERTAIN AREAS.
UH, SO, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND LEAVING THAT IN A DECISION RECORD THAT ANY AREA THAT IS TO BE USED FOR TRAINING B, UH, THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE WITH TAKING THEM OUT, YOU KNOW, THEM SOMETIMES GETTING OFF LEASE OR GETTING LOOSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, POTENTIAL OF MAYBE NEEDING TO HAVE MORE SURE.
ALL AT LEAST THE PORTION OF PROPERTY.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE YOU SEE SOME, UH, VETERINARIAN'S OFFICES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, UH, SOMETIMES DOGS GET LIPS.
SO FENCED IN AREA AS A REASONABLE MR. JEFFERSON ON THE FENCE, IF IT WERE TO EXPAND SINCE, I MEAN, EVENTUALLY OVER TIME, THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR OUTDOOR TRAINING PROGRAM AS WELL.
SO SHOULD WE, OR DO WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH HOW CLOSE THE FENCE CAN BE TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY SINCE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL? SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION AS THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO USE THE OUTSIDE AREA FOR TRAINING.
IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AS A MAJOR CHANGE AND COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN.
UM, AND YES, I WOULD SAY THERE DOES NEED TO BE BUFFERING BETWEEN AREAS TO BE USED FOR THAT AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND I AGREE WITH SANDRA ABOUT THE ESOP, ABOUT THE SAFETY OF ADDING A FENCE, IF THEY'RE JUST GOING TO LET DOGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY GO OUT JUST TO GO TO THE RESTROOM, IT'S GOING TO BE EASY FOR THE EASIER FOR THE HANDLER AND EVERYBODY, IF THEY HAVE A DOOR TO LET THEM OUT, THAT'S FENCED IN CALL THEM BACK IN AND SAY FOR IF THEY GET OFF LEASH, IF THEY ARE OUT THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I'M SURE WE'LL LET HIM EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STUFF WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? HI, I'M ROGER WHITE ON THE OWNER OF OFF-LEASH CANINE TRAINING OR DAYTON, AND WE ARE WANTING TO EXPAND AND HAVE A FACILITY CLOSER TO DAYTON.
98% OF OUR CLIENTS NOW COME FROM DAYTON AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, WE DO HAVE A FACILITY WE WORK OUT OF IN MECHANICSBURG, AND LIKE I SAY, 98% OF OUR CLIENTS COME FROM DAYTON TO MECHANICSBURG.
UM, I, OF COURSE NOT ONLY DATE AND WE GET THEM FROM KENTUCKY, MICHIGAN, AND EVERYWHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY THE, WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE DOG TRAINING COMPANY IN THE UNITED STATES.
WE HAVE OVER A THINK 160 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE US.
AND WE'RE WELL KNOWN FOR DOG TRAINING AND OFF-LEASH TRAINING.
UM, MY SON IS THE CEO AND OWNER OF OUR POLICE K9 TRAINING, AND HE ONLY DOES A CELEBRITY DOGS.
UM, JOHN SEEN OPRAH WINFREY, UM, VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY'S DOGS, LIBERTY, UM, RYAN REYNOLDS.
SO WE'RE REALLY WELL KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY FOR DOG TRAINING.
AND I SEEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PLACE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BRING, UH, US CLOSER TO THE PEOPLE WHERE WE'RE SERVICING THE MOST.
SO THAT'S WHY I CHOSE THIS PLACE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO HAVE ONE.
UM, SO YOU, SO WHEN YOU'RE TRAINING THE PETS, WHEN YOU LET THEM OUT, THEY'RE, OFF-LEASH CORRECT.
WHEN THEY, THEY ARE OFF LEASH.
WHEN WE FEEL THAT THEY ARE SAFE ENOUGH AND WE HAVE THEM UNDER CONTROL, UH, WE DO USE E COLOR TRAINING, WHICH WITH EACH COLOR TRAINING,
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YOU HAVE JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE CONTROL OF A DOG, BUT HE CALLED HER TRAINING AND YOU DO WITH A DOG ON A LEASH.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH ANY OF OUR VIDEOS, BUT THERE'S THOUSANDS OF THEM ON YOUTUBE, UM, FROM OFF-LEASH CANINE TRAINING BEFORE AND AFTER WE DO A LOT OF OUR, UH, AFTER VIDEOS, BUT DOGS OFF LEASH.
IF YOU GET DOWN THROUGH THEM, YOU CAN LOOK ON, UH, YOUTUBE, BUT OFF-LEASH CANINE TRAINING DAYTON.
WE ACTUALLY WALKED UP STEELY, THE GREENS OFF-LEASH DOWNTOWN SPRINGFIELD, DAYTON, UH, YELLOW SPRINGS.
WE WALKED DOGS OFF LEASH THROUGH LOWE'S HOME DEPOT, ROYAL KING.
SO WHEN WE TAKE A DOG OFF, LEASH WORRY ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT.
WE HAVE THAT DOG IN TOTAL CONTROL.
OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEN WE'D BE JEOPARDIZING.
THE DOG WOULD BE JEOPARDIZING OUR REPUTATION AND THE OWNERS OF THE DOG.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A DOVE OFF LEASH, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEED TO DO WHAT WE SAY IT'S GOING TO DO.
AND IT'S GOING TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE TELL IT TO DO.
MY CONCERN WAS IS THAT THEY WERE OFF-LEASH AND THEY GET AGGRESSIVE AND THEY CAN CHARGE FENCES.
AND I MEAN, IF IT'S JUST A WOOD PRIVACY FENCE, THAT IF THEY'RE BIG DOGS, THEY CAN SOMETIMES TAKE THE EXPENSES OUT.
I CAN SAY THIS, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 11 YEARS.
I HAVE MYSELF HAVE TRAINED THOUSANDS OF ADULTS.
AND NORMALLY FAR AS THE FACILITIES CAN TURN AND BOREDOM TRAINS, WE DON'T, WE WON'T EAT.
DON'T EVEN ACCEPT AGGRESSIVE DOGS INTO A BOARD AND TRAIN PROGRAM.
WE WILL ONLY ACCEPT THEM INTO A LESSON PROGRAM.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE ON LEASH.
THEY HAVE TO BE MUZZLED AT ALL TIMES.
AND EVEN THEN MOST OF THE TIME, I WILL NOT EVEN LET MY TRAINERS HANDLE THE DOG.
WE WOULD TALK THE OWNERS THROUGH THE LESSON WITH THEIR OWN DOG.
SO EVERYTHING WE DO IS ABOUT SAFETY.
WE PROTECT THE DOG AND EVERY WAY WE CAN, WE PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOG IS SAFE BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A THOUSAND DOGS CORRECTLY, BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE TO PUT YOU IN A HOLE.
SO, UM, ALL OF OUR DOGS WERE A WHISTLED, THREE GPS COLLARS.
THEY ARE EVEN IF ONE WOULD ESCAPE, WHICH IN 11 YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING IT.
WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE TO ESCAPE YET, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T LET THEM OFF LEASH TILL WE KNOW AS THEY'RE FULLY UNDER CONTROL.
UM, BUT WE DO IT FOR THE OWNERS.
WE SAY, HEY, YOUR DOG'S WEARING A WHISTLE THREE GPS COLLAR AT UPDATES TO OUR PHONE.
EVERY MINUTE, IF THAT DOG GOES TO ONE HOUSE, IT GIVES YOU THAT DRESS A HOUSE FOR THAT DOGS THAT, SO THERE AIN'T NO SEARCHING THE TOWN OR SEARCHING THE CITY, LOOKING FOR A DOG, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AGAIN, THERE AIN'T NO DOG THAT'S GOING TO STAY AT THAT FACILITY OVERNIGHT.
ALL THE DOGS GO HOME WITH THE TRAINERS.
THAT'S AGAIN, TO PROTECT THE TRAIN, PROTECT THE DOGS, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WITH THEM.
UM, BELIEVING THEM INTO A FACILITY BY THEIRSELF, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE OKAY, IT'S STILL IRRESPONSIBLE TO LEAVE A DOG UNINTENDED BY ITSELF AS SOMEWHAT HAPPENED.
THERE'S NO ONE THERE TO HELP IT.
SO ALL THE, ALL OF OUR BOARD AND TRAIN DOGS DO GO HOME WITH THE TRAINERS EVERY NIGHT.
UM, USUALLY OUR LAST LESSON IS AT 7:00 PM ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS, WE HAVE LESSONS.
SO USUALLY BY EIGHT 30, ALL THE DOGS ARE GONE OUT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S NEVER A DOG THERE OVERNIGHT OR WITHOUT A TRAINER.
WE WILL HAVE CRATES THERE FOR DOGS.
WHEN THE TRAINERS HAVE THEIR AND TRAINS THERE, WHEN THEY'RE DOING LESSONS, THEY CAN PUT YOUR BOARD AND TRAINS IN A CRATE WHILE THEY'RE DOING THEIR LESSON.
AND I GUESS IF THE TRAINERS WANT TO RUN TO TOWN OR SOMETHING, GET A BITE TO EAT FOR DINNER AND COME BACK.
BUT FAR AS OVERNIGHT, THERE'LL BE NO DOGS THERE.
UM, HOW MANY TRAINERS DO YOU PLAN TO EMPLOY? UM, RIGHT NOW, OH, THERE'S ME.
AND TWO OTHER ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY TRAINING.
I PLAN ON HIRING THREE MORE FOR THIS LOCATION.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE SO POPULAR AND SO MUCH DEMAND RIGHT NOW, OUR BOARD AND TRAIN PACKAGES.
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WE ARE STARTING TO BOOK NOVEMBER.AND IS IT ONE DOG PER TRAINER? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO DOGS.
AND, UH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PARTICULAR KIND OF INSURANCE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR YOUR PARTICULAR BUSINESS? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE DOG TRAINING INSURANCE.
UM, ME AND ALL THE TRAINERS DO HAVE DOG TRAINING INSURANCE, UH, MAKE COVERS THE, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND NATURALLY I'LL HAVE INSURANCE ON THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY ALSO, BUT YEAH, EVERYONE HAS TO HAVE DOG TRAINING INSURANCE.
I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY KNOWS THAT THEY ARE INSURED, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR KIND OF BUSINESS.
IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD SUPPLY THE CITY WITH A COPY OF YOUR INSURANCE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED SCOTT OR THAT WE COULD REQUEST? I'LL BE HONEST.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE CAN PUT ON IT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT HAVE INSURANCE THAT IT'S REQUIRED FOR THEIR BUSINESS, THAT THEY CAN'T OPERATE WITHOUT IT.
SO, UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T TYPICALLY ASK TO SEE IT.
THAT'S, UH, IF THEY ARE OPERATING ILLEGALLY, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO THEM.
I JUST THINK THAT BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED IN A SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AREA, THAT IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT THEIR INSURANCE IS CONTINUOUS AND UP-TO-DATE, THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF GETTING HIRED ON WITH THE US.
UM, MY EMPLOYEES, ALL INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS THAT WORK FOR OFF-LEASH CANINE TRAINING, BUT ONE OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO WORK FOR US IS THAT THEY HAVE TO CARRY DOG TRAINING INSURANCE, UM, INCLUDING MYSELF.
UM, BUT ANY ANYONE THAT'S TRAINED IN DOGS, IT'S IT'S RIGHT IN OUR POLICY THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE DOG TRAINING.
SO IT'S NOT THE BUSINESS THAT HAS THE INSURANCE, THAT THE INDIVIDUAL PERSON.
AND, UH, ONE MORE THING REGARDING THE FENCE.
UM, THERE IS A FOUR-FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THREE SIDES OF IT, THE SIDE WITH THE, UM, THE COMMERCIAL PLACE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A FENCE BACK HERE, BUT IT'S ALL LAND DOWN IN THE GROUND AND ROTTEN, BUT MY PLAN WAS TO EVEN JUST LET DOGS OUT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
I WAS GOING TO USE THE EXISTING FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE ON EITHER SIDE AND JUST PUT A FENCE STRAIGHT ACROSS ABOUT HALFWAY BACK THE LOT.
CAUSE I DON'T NEED THE WHOLE LOT, EVEN THOUGH I'D KEEP IT ALL MOWED, BUT I DON'T NEED THAT MUCH LOT AND FENCE IT OFF SO THAT THE DOGS COULD GET OUT.
AND EVEN ON THE, UH, DRIVEWAY PAVEMENT SIDE, THERE'S A GATE THERE.
I WAS GOING TO FENCE THAT OFF ALSO TO MAKE SURE THE DOG WAS, COULD NOT GET TO THE PAVED PART.
UM, AND THAT WAY IT'S PROTECT THE DOGS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT MOST GENERALLY, LIKE HE'S STATED THE DOGS ARE USUALLY ON THE OUTSIDE TO USE THE BATHROOM.
IF WE HAVE LESSONS COMES IN, WE REQUEST THAT THE PEOPLE CUT THE OWNERS WITH THE DOPES COMING IN FOR LESSONS.
WE REQUEST THAT THEY GO AND SEE IF THE DOG HAS TO USE THE BATHROOM BEFORE THEY BRING IT INSIDE.
SO WE'RE NOT CLEANING UP STUFF ON THE INSIDE.
DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE? I MISUNDERSTOOD.
I THOUGHT WE WERE SIX FOOT WAS REQUIRED.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE FOR ANYWHERE THAT THEY WOULD DO TRAINING.
UM, THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING TRAINING OUTSIDE.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THERE'S THREE SIDES OF A FENCE NOW AND HE'LL COMPLETE A FORESIGHT OFFENSE WITH THE EXISTING FOUR-FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE FOR JUST ALLOWING THE DOGS OUT TO USE THE RESTROOM.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE.
NOT WHAT'S ACTUALLY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK ONE SIDE MAY HAVE ONE SIDE MAY HAVE, UH, THERE'S LIKE A PRIVACY FENCE AND A CHAIN LINK FENCE RUNNING ALONG ONE SIDE OF IT.
AND, BUT THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER THIS ROAD SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE THERE THAT'S NOWHERE.
IT'S UH, IT'S JUST CHAIN LINK FENCE.
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BUT THE FOREFOOT IS WHAT CONCERNS ME.IF YOU HAVE LARGE DOGS, UH, THAT COULD EASILY JUMP A FOUR-FOOT FENCE OR GO UNDERNEATH OR WHATEVER.
WELL, THE DOGS AIN'T GOING TO JUMP IT BECAUSE IF WE HAVE DOGS OUT THERE, THERE'LL BE UNDER CONTROL.
AIN'T GOING TO GET TO GO OUTSIDE ON ATTENDED WHAT I'M SAYING, WE ME OR THE OWNER OF THEIR DOG.
AND IF IT'S AN OWNER WITH THEIR DOG, THEY WILL HAVE THEIR DOG OUT THERE ON THE LEASH.
AND IF IT'S A TRAINER, THEY WILL HAVE A DOVE OUT THERE ON A CALLER AND THEY WILL BE OUT THERE WITH THE DOLL.
SO RIGHT NOW AT OUR FACILITY IN MECHANICSBURG, WE ARE 15 FEET OFF A STATE, ROUTE 29, AND THERE'S NO FENCE.
AND WE WE'VE TAKEN DOGS OUT IN THE YARD, GO TO THE BATHROOM FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS WITHOUT INCIDENT.
SO LIKE I SAID, IF, IF A TRAINER IS OUT THERE WITH THE DOG, THAT DOG IS UNDER CONTROL.
MY CONCERN IS WHEN THE DOGS FIRST START THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE UNDER THE WATCH OF A TRAINER, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN TRAINED.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE OUT OF CONTROL OR MAY RESIST.
AND, UM, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOG POSSIBLY BREAKING LEASE OR JUMPING THE FENCE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
IF YOU HAVE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A DOG THAT'S REALLY TRAINED THAT THEY'RE TRAINED.
AND ACTUALLY IF, FROM WHAT I HEAR, IT'S THE OWNER THAT'S TRAINED MORE THAN THE DOG THAT'S TRAINED, BUT YET THEY'RE AN ANIMAL.
THEY SOMETIMES HAVE LAPS OR THIS TYPE OF THING.
SO MY CONCERN IS, UM, THE REQUIREMENT OF SOME SORT OF FENCING, SO THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS WITHIN A FENCE, EVEN IF THEY JUST GO OUT FOR A BATHROOM BREAK, UM, ALICIA, YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL THINGS AS OPPOSED TO OFF-LEASH, BUT YET BE AN OFFENSE STERIA THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
AND THEY WILL BE AN OFFENSE AREA.
I'LL GO ON A BLOCK, OFF A SPOT.
SO THE DOLTS CAN'T GET OUT, THERE'LL BE AN OFFENSIVE AREA.
AND IF THE DOGS ARE NOT UNDER CONTROLLED BY A COLOR, THE ONLY TIME THEY WILL BE OUTSIDE, THERE'LL BE ON A 15 FOOT LEASH BECAUSE WE TRAIN THEM ON 15 FOOT LEASHES UP UNTIL THE POINT THAT THEY ARE READY TO START BE WORKING OFF LEASH.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE OFF LEASH, THEY ARE TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND JUST ONE.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY, I GUESS, FOR SCOTT IN, IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE TO DO A TRAINING FENCED IN AREA THAT WASN'T THE WHOLE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, WOULD WE NEED IT TO BE PRIVACY FENCE INSTEAD OF SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK OR PRIVACY FENCE, HEIGHT CHAIN LINK LIKE A KENNEL, LIKE, AS HE SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A, AN OUTDOOR KENNEL AREA OUT TO LET THE DOGS OUT THE DOOR TO BE SAFELY ENCLOSED AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THE HIGH FENCE.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SAY THEY CAN DO THAT WITH A CHAIN LINK FENCE INSTEAD OF BUILDING A WOODEN FENCE? UM, THAT IS WITHIN PLANNING COMMISSION'S PURVIEW.
I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON IF IT'S KIND OF A HOLDING AREA VERSUS THE PERIMETER.
I COULD SEE THE NEIGHBORS, IF THERE'S DOGS COMING AND GOING OUTSIDE AND LEARNING HOW TO BEHAVE EVERYDAY, I COULD SEE THE PRIVACY FENCE BEING A BIG BENEFIT, BUT IF IT'S JUST A, LET THEM OUT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AND BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED, UM, JUST MY, MY OPINION ON THIS IS THAT VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON BOTH SIDES AND ACROSS THE STREET AND A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY COULD HAVE A DOG AND IT COULD HAVE A FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE.
UM, THIS WILL HAVE MULTIPLE DOGS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND BEING LET OUT, UM, STAFF WOULD STILL RECOMMEND A PRIVACY TYPE FENCE, UH, FOR AREAS WHERE THE DOGS WILL COME OUT.
THAT'S JUST, I LIKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO, I'M DEBORAH MARKHAM.
I'M THE OWNER ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN I OWN THE HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
ALSO, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
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I DON'T WANT A BUSINESS.I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE LOGIC OF TAKING A CHANCE ON ONE OF THESE DOGS, HIS FACEBOOK PAGE.
IT'S A PICTURE OF A WHITE WEILER.
DO I WANT A ROTTWEILER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD? NO WAY.
NO OTHER THAN IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND I OWN TWO HOMES RIGHT THERE TOGETHER.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? THE SIR, LARRY PATTERSON.
I ALSO OWN A COUPLE HOMES, ONE RIGHT BEHIND THE PLACE.
AND THEN ONE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY EXISTING HOME.
UM, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED THAT A LOT OF US BEEN DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS TO 50 YEARS, 90% OF US ARE FAMILY.
ALL OF OUR KIDS ARE LOOSE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT ENTRANCE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMERS DRIVING IN AND OUT ALL DAY, SIX EMPLOYEES IN AND OUT ALL DAY LUNCH BREAKS.
UM, THE, THE ROADS DOWN THERE ARE VERY NARROW.
YOU CAN BARELY GET TO, YOU GOT TO ALMOST SLOW DOWN TO PASS CARS.
UM, THE SPEED LIMIT, I BELIEVE IS 15.
NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO THAT.
SO AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC THAT'S DOWN THERE NOW, I THINK IT, AND ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO COME RIGHT PAST THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
THAT'S THE MAIN ROAD RIGHT THERE TO GET TO THAT, UM, CHURCH.
UM, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A LOT OF THEM ARE YOUNGER.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT A TRAFFIC PROBLEM DOWN THERE.
UM, THERE'S PEOPLE DOWN THERE THAT WILL BE LEAVING.
WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THEM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THERE.
THE FAMILY'S BEEN DOWN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, ANOTHER THING LIKE THE FENCING THAT'S IN THE BACK OF THAT, UM, AREA IS MY BACKYARD.
UM, I THINK WITH, WITH THAT HAPPENING, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DOG BARKING GOING ON.
UH, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THE RESTROOM OUTSIDE.
OF COURSE WE CLEAN UP OUR DOG CRAP DOWN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION, WHETHER THEY WILL OR NOT, BUT WHEN I'M SITTING OUT BACK AT MY COOKOUT OR WHATEVER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1966, RAISED FIVE KIDS AND A LOT OF GRANDKIDS THERE.
ONE LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY HAVE TWO DOGS AND TWO KIDS AND ONE GOT SEVERELY BIT BY A DOG.
SO HE'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRAUMATIZED SOMETIMES BY A LOT OF DOGS.
AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS DOWN THERE AND THEY'RE OUT IN THE EVENING, THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES ALL OVER AND I DON'T CARE HOW WELL TRAINED THE DOG IS.
IF THEY SEE KIDS ARE GOING TO BARK AND MY KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES, MY GRANDKIDS RIDE THEIR BIKES.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME OTHER THINGS I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT I FORGOT WHAT THEY WERE.
BUT ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF YOU THAT HAVE KIDS DINNER.
AND BESIDES THERE, WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT THOSE BIG GATES AT THE CHURCH, THAT'S THE BUS STOP FOR THE KIDS.
THEY WAIT THERE FOR THE BUS, SO THEY WILL BE THERE MORNING.
THEY'LL BE THERE EVENINGS WAITING ON THE BUS RIGHT THERE AT THE GATE.
AND WE JUST DON'T WANT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND PAIRED BY ANY KIND OF BUSINESS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS TO EVERYBODY THAT LIVES THERE.
UM, LIKE SHE SAID, I HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD AND A 13 YEAR OLD.
UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS MOSTLY THE DOGS GETTING OUT AND HARMING ONE OF MY KIDS.
UM, LIKE SHE SAID, THE KIDS' BUS STOPS.
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UM, I WOULD JUST BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, HOW LOUD IT WOULD GET.AND, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK AND THE HOURS OF THE, THE TIME OF BUSINESS.
I THINK HE SAID NO LATER THAN EIGHT 30 AND EIGHT 30.
SO WHAT TIME WOULD IT START? 10.
HAD TO PAY A FINE, COME BACK UP HERE, PLEASE.
WOULD IT BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY OR DOES IT, WOULD IT BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR MONDAY? MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? HELLO? GOOD EVENING.
I'VE LIVED IN THE VILLA ABOUT 30 YEARS, 35 YEARS.
THERE'S JUST LOTS OF KIDS DOWN THERE AND THERE'S LOTS OF FAMILIES AND DOGS AND CHILLS ARE ALWAYS GOING AROUND AND PLAYING.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, PERIOD.
I DON'T THINK IT IS AT ALL FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? GO AHEAD.
YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, TWO MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 10:00 AM TO EIGHT 30 MAXIMUM HOURS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THREE STAFF OR THREE MORE TRAINERS.
IS THAT THREE FOR THIS FACILITY OR WOULD IT BE A TOTAL OF SIX OUT OF THIS FACILITY? IF YOU WERE IN THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE, IT WOULD BE THREE FOR THAT FACILITY BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT THINK SOMEBODY THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE ALL SIX OUT OF THERE.
SO AT THE MOST THERE'S GOING TO BE SIX DOGS IN A DAY IF YOUR MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY.
AND THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE SIX DOGS BECAUSE IT'S SET UP WHERE THERE'S ONLY ONE TRAINER THERE PER DAY.
SO IT'D BE ONE TRAINER AND TWO DOGS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE SEVEN CASE ONE FOR JEFFERSON, ONE FOR SCOTT AND SCOTT IN THE CURRENT ZONING, IS IT THE PLAN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS USE THAT AS WORSHIP? YES.
AND RIGHT NOW, SO THE, WHAT HE'S APPLYING FOR ACTUALLY WOULD MEET THE PLAN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BILLING.
THIS IS A PRINCIPLE PERMITTED USE WITHIN THAT ZONING TOO.
WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE ZONING.
WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE USE SHIFTS THIS, BUT BOTH FIT THE ZONING.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY ROGER WHITE FOR A MAJOR CHANGE FOR YOU? SO THE PROPERTY AT 61 66 APACHE STREET AS A DOG TRAINING FACILITY, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 15, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MR.
I APOLOGIZE BEFORE YOU GET THAT FAR, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THE FENCING, WHETHER THAT GETS AMENDED SOMEHOW IN THE, UM, PROPOSED DECISION RECORD AS A STATES RIGHT NOW, THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AROUND ANY OUTDOOR TRAINING AREA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT.
SO FOR ANY OUTDOOR DOG USE AREA WOULD BE FOR IF THEY LET THEM OUT FOR THE RESTROOM AND THAT KIND OF THING, OR OFF-LEASH RIGHT.
THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, I THINK THAT THAT IS A VERY MINIMUM, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD GIVE.
AND I WANT TO BE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A REZONING.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS ALREADY PERMITTED IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THIS ZONING DISTRICT, AND IN A PUD, THE PLAN DISTRICT, THERE'S A LIST OF PERMITTED USES WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS
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AND CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE IS THE SPECIFIC USE.AND SO THE SPECIFIC USE CURRENTLY IS FOR A PLACE OF WORSHIP, A CHURCH IN THAT LIST OF PERMITTED USES WITHIN THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE MAJOR CHANGES WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT FROM A CHURCH TO THE DOG TRAINING, WHICH IS ALREADY ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT.
SCOTT, ON THE, UM, THE FENCING, UH, IF, IF WE ELECT TO GO, UH, TO SOMETHING WORDS, IT STATED A DOG ECG AREA OUTSIDE THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE NEED TO, UH, PUSH ON HIM TO PUT A PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE WHOLE EXTERIOR.
SO HOW DO WE COME UP WITH IN THE AREA SIZE-WISE ANY ABOUT ANY OFF-LEASH AREA? I'M SORRY ABOUT ANY AREA TO BE USED.
OFF-LEASH REQUIRES THE PRIVACY FENCE, ANY TIME, ANY AREA FOR THE DOGS, WHETHER THEY'RE OFF LEASH OR ON BASE, THAT THEY'D BE WITHIN A, IN A CONFINED SIX FOOT AREA.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
SO WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT AREA IS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE.
UM, SO I I'M THINKING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DEFINE THE EXACT AREA BECAUSE, UM, I FEEL IT COULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR, UM, ENOUGH SPACE TO ALLOW THE DOGS TO GO OUT, TO USE THE RESTROOM, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, AND I, I THINK WE COULD SAY THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AROUND ANY OUTDOOR DOG USE AREA AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT CANNOT BE IN THE FRONT OR SIDE YARD.
IS THERE, UH, ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING? WELL, FROM THE PARKING LOT, YES.
AND FROM THE BUILD, THE BUILDING, THERE IS A REAR DARRIOUS.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL PRIVACY FENCE AROUND ANY OUTDOOR DOG USE AREA TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE TO THE REAR.
ARE THERE OPENINGS LIKE ON THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE MORE CONDUCIVE FOR GOING IN AND OUT? YEAH, JUST THE, THE DEFINITION OF REAR IS BEHIND THE BACK WALL.
SO NOT NECESSARILY JUST STRAIGHT BACK FROM THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING, THE REAR YARD IS BEHIND THE BACK WALL OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO W W WE CAN GET A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC HERE AND, UH, GO FOR THE APPLICANT, SHALL INSTALL SIX FOOT TOTAL PRIVACY FENCE AROUND ANY OUTDOOR DOG USE AREA TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND, OR WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE SIDE.
IF THAT'S THE QUESTION I KNOW IN SOME CITIES, THERE IS A LIMIT OF HOW MANY ANIMALS THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO OWN WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, TIP CITY HAS A MAXIMUM OF THREE DOGS THAT YOU CAN OWN.
DOES HE EVER HAVE ANY ORDINANCE OF THAT? NO.
THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THERE'S A RESIDENT THAT COULD MOVE INTO THAT AREA AND HAVE SIX DOGS AND HAVE A FOUR-FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT A BUSINESS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS THAT I FIND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M TRYING TO GAUGE, LIKE, HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE MORE, WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO TO THREE DOGS A DAY WHERE A RESIDENT IS GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR DOGS ALL DAY 24 HOURS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION RECORD? ONE MORE TIME, MR.
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I ADDING THE PART ABOUT THE SIDE YARD? NO, THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL PRIVACY FENCE AROUND ANY OUTDOOR DOG USE AREA TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.SO IS THERE AN APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BY ROGER WHITE FOR A MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE USE OF PROPERTY AT 61 66 APACHE STREET AS A DOG TRAINING FACILITY, ZONING CASE 21 DASH 15, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO THEIR TWO ANIMALS.
MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND? BYE, MS. BARGO SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO EVERYBODY THAT WAS NOTIFIED WILL GET NOTIFIED AGAIN FOR IT'LL GO TO A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH CITY COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNDER NEW BUSINESS, AS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE APPLICANT, BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 17.2 ACRES AT THE OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD INTERSECTION ZONING CASE 21 DASH 16.
THIS CASE IS FOR THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE.
THIS CASE DID COME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND, UH, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS CASE.
THE APPLICANT THEN PULLED THEIR APPLICATION, LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMENTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND RESUBMITTED, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE CONCERNS WERE.
SO THEY WANTED TO START THE PROCESS OVER TO AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE PLANETS COMMISSION.
SO THE TAKES BEFORE IS TWO LOTS.
THERE ARE, UH, ONE OF THEM IS ZONED R SIX, AND ONE OF THEM IS ZONED B3.
SO THERE'S CURRENTLY THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, ALLOWABLE USE AND A, UH, OFFICE SLASH COMMERCIAL ALLOWABLE USE THE SOUTHERN OF THE PROPERTIES IS WHERE THERE IS EXISTING, UM, MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS.
AND THE NORTHERN NORTHERN HAS SOME OF THE, THE OLD OFFICE SPACE AND THEN VACANT SPACE THERE AT THE, UH, ON HUBER ROAD ITSELF, THERE IS EXISTING A LARGE, UH, EXCAVATED POND, UM, AND, UH, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY THOSE LARGE TREES, UH, TO EACH SIDE.
UH, SO THE REQUEST IS TO BASICALLY COMBINE THESE TWO PARCELS INTO A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO BE A TOTAL OF 17.2 ACRES.
UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE, UH, THE USES OF COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY USE.
SO THE, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT IS BEING PROVIDED ALLOWS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY USE TO BE BACK, UH, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, UM, BASICALLY WHERE THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS FOUR HUBER ROAD.
AND THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD HAVE THE FRONTAGE IS OUT ON TO OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UM, THEY WILL HAVE AN INTERIOR STREET NETWORK THAT WILL, UH, CONNECT EACH OF THESE PIECES AND HAVE MULTIPLE DRIVE ENTRANCES THAT LEAD OUT TO, UH, ULTRA PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE, UM, UTILITIES FOR THE SITES.
UH, THERE ARE CURRENT UTILITIES FOR SANITARY, SEWER AND WATER LINES THAT ARE THERE WILL CONNECT INTO THE EXISTING PUBLIC SYSTEM, STORM WATER DRAINAGE.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S THAT, UH, VERY LARGE, UH, UM, POND THERE THAT THAT WOULD BE USED AS THE, UH, THE, THE GENERAL A RETENTION POND FOR THE WHOLE SITE ITSELF.
UM, SO WITH THE REQUEST, UH, THAT THE, UH, THIS AREA, WELL, ONCE AGAIN, THE, UH, CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THIS AREA AS COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND MIXED DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS DOES FIT WITH THE CITY'S EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, BASICALLY IT'S JUST REQUESTING TO SWAP WHERE THE USES ARE,
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UM, WITH THE REQUEST, UM, THE MULTIFAMILY USE, THE REQUEST IS FOR 192 UNITS, AND FOR THE, UM, REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY IS FOR THE RETAIL TYPE USE.SO AS CURRENTLY THEY'RE CALLING OUT MEDICAL OFFICE USES A RESTAURANT TYPE USES RETAIL BANK TYPE USES THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SO THAT ALL FITS WITHIN THAT COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RIGHT.
LAST TIME AS WE CAME IN THROUGH THE DISCUSSION, UM, WE, WE TALKED TO QUITE A BIT ABOUT TRAFFIC.
THAT WAS THE, UH, THE BIGGEST POINT OF DISCUSSION.
UM, WELL, FOR, I GET TO THAT, UH, I, I WILL GO THROUGH, UM, THE, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UM, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, OUR, UH, MASONRY GLASS, UH, POSSIBILITY OF SOME, UH, SOME METAL, UM, DECORATIVE METAL TYPE USES, UH, SHOWING HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES, THE RETAIL WILL HAVE, UH, SIGNAGE OF BUNK STOREFRONT.
YES, GOOD ARCHITECTURE, UH, LOTS OF DEPTH TO IT, THE MULTIFAMILY THREE-STORY UNITS, UM, ALL MASONRY COMBINATION OF BRICK STONE, THE FIBER CEMENT BOARD.
SO, UH, SO HERE'S JUST A ME SAY, SAID EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE BUILDINGS WILL END UP LOOKING LIKE.
UM, AND THE FINAL PLANS FOR THESE WOULD COME BACK IN A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.
SO SAME ONES, SIGNAGE TO FINAL SIGNAGE PLANS.
WE'LL COME BACK AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND THEN HERE'S A LIST OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE BIG DISCUSSION, AND ONE OF THE, UH, THE, THE MAIN REASONS THAT WAS LISTED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WAS THE, THE, THE LACK OF THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE AREA, UH, THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT THIS AS A LARGER THAN JUST WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS, UM, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF, UH, HOW THIS WHOLE AREA CAN BE DEVELOPED, UM, EXISTING, THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT FLOWS UP OLD TROY PIKE THAT, UH, HE HEADS UP TO THE NORTH, TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY AND ACROSS THE HIGHWAY INTO OTHER COMMERCIAL AREAS.
UM, THERE IS ALSO, UH, EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS ACROSS THE STREET ON ALL TROY PIKE AND SOME NEW USERS THAT HAVE COME IN, UH, JUST WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
UH, SO WHAT, HOW I'LL START HERE IS, UH, DISCUSSING SOME OF THE PROPOSED, UH, PLANS FOR THIS, UM, FROM AN OVERALL GENERAL STANDPOINT, THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL, THAT'S, WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THIS AND, UH, THEY'VE GOT SOME, SOME DIAGRAMS SHOWING, UH, THIS OVERALL PLAN AS WELL, BUT, UH, UM, EXISTING IN CURRENT STATE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THE CITY IS UNDERGOING RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT, UH, IS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THIS AREA, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UM, IF YOU GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU SEE SOME OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON THAT INSTALLING NEW MAST ARMS, UM, AND NEW PEDESTRIAN POLES AND WIDENING OF OLD TROY PIKE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, TAYLORSVILLE FOR A, UH, DEDICATED TURN LANE.
UH, SO THAT IS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO, SO WHAT THAT WILL DO IS HELP EASE SOME OF THE CONGESTION THAT IS HEADING NORTHBOUND.
UM, AS CURRENTLY YOU HAVE, IF YOU WANT TO TURN RIGHT ONTO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, YOU'RE STUCK IN THE TRAFFIC FOR WHOEVER IS WANTING TO GO NORTHBOUND.
SO THIS FREES UP SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO TURN ON TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ALSO.
SO AS YOU CONTINUE NORTH, UH, ON, UH, OLD TROY PIKE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY HAS RECENTLY DONE IS, UH, INSTALLED THOSE, UH, DEFLECTORS, UM, OUT IN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, HAVE THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS OF TRYING TO GET INTO, OR OUT OF SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THAT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT TO TURN.
SO EVEN THOUGH, OH, YOU HAVE THE PORK CHOP AND YOU TRY TO MAKE IT AS, UM, USER UNFRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE A TURN.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT STILL TRY TO DO THOSE TURNING MOTIONS.
SO THE CITY HAS TAKEN THAT, UH, OFF THE TABLE, UM, IN FRONT OF, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, STARBUCKS AND THE NEW SPECTRUM AND THE FIVE GUYS AREA.
SO THAT KEEPS ANY OF THOSE KIND OF TURNING MOVEMENTS FROM BEING ATTEMPTED, UM, WHICH ALSO YOU, WHEN YOU DO HAVE SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAKE THOSE MOVEMENTS THAT CREATE SOME OF THAT CONFLICT MOVEMENT
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THAT AFFECTS THE OVERALL TRAFFIC FLOW OF OLD TROY PIKE, UM, ALSO AT THE INTERSECTION OF MERRILY WAY AND, UH, ULTRA PIKE, UM, THERE IS, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME SIGNAGE INSTALLED AND THERE'S SOME MORE COMING, UM, THINGS LIKE DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION.THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS, UH, HOW PEOPLE UTILIZE THE INTERSECTION THAT, UH, PULLING OUT, UH, AS THE LIGHTS TURNING RED AND BASICALLY GETTING STUCK IN THE INTERSECTION, WAITING FOR THE NEXT LEVEL TO TURN GREEN AND PUSH SOME OF THAT FLOW THROUGH.
UH, SO, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, REDOING SOME OF THAT, UM, CONTINUING UP, UH, WELL ALSO, UH, ON MERRILY WAY ITSELF.
ONE THING THAT, SO WE KNOW, UM, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN MCDONALD'S DID THEIR, UH, RECONSTRUCTION, THERE WAS A WIDENING OF BARELY WAY JUST TO THEIR DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO THE CITY IS LOOKING TO EXTEND THAT WIDENING DOWN TOWARDS THE, UH, CARWASH, BECAUSE, UH, LAST TIME THIS CASE WAS HERE WAS RIGHT AROUND WHEN THE, UM, WEATHER TURNED NICE.
SO YEAH, EVERYBODY DECIDED THAT, HEY, IT'S TIME TO WASH OUR CAR.
AND IT WAS NOTICED THAT THAT WOULD BE A BACKUP AS PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN.
SO WIDENING THE ROAD ON MERRILY WAY, GIVES A SEPARATE SPACE THAT NOW YOU CAN PASS AND GO DOWN AND UTILIZE THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THE HOTELS, THE RESTAURANTS, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN CASE THERE IS A BACKUP, UM, THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF POPULARITY OF A BUSINESS.
UM, SO, UM, FURTHER NORTH OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON DOING IS, UH, UM, AS YOU GO NORTH, SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS WHERE, UH, PEOPLE WILL STOP IN THE ROAD AND CREATE A BACKUP, IS IF THEY WANTED TO TRY TO TURN LEFT INTO ONE OF THE GAS STATIONS GOING EITHER DIRECTION AND THE TURN TO GET INTO THE LANE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE, UH, WESTBOUND
AND THEN ALSO TO LIMIT SOME OF THAT ACCESS TO TURNING MOVEMENTS INTO, ACROSS, UH, OLD TROY PIKE INTO THE, THE, THE GAS STATIONS ON EITHER SIDE.
SO, UH, THAT THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS ALONG THE OVERALL PLAN THAT, UH, IS GOING TO IMPROVE, UH, TRAFFIC THROUGH THE AREA AS PART OF THIS PLAN, UH, AND THE, THESE, THESE ARE ALL INTERRELATED.
UH, SO, UM, THIS PLAN INCLUDES A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WILL ADJOIN INTO THAT AND WHAT I WOULD CALL THAT A FULL WIDENING OF, OKAY.
SO I'M CALLING AN EXPRESS LANE.
UH, SO CURRENTLY GOING NORTHBOUND, THERE ARE TWO LANES THAT GO NORTH, IT GETS UP TO THE HIGHWAY.
THIS WILL NOW PROVIDE THREE LANES ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY ANYWAY.
SO INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF THAT ROAD BY A THIRD.
UH, SO THIS IN ITSELF JUST, UH, THAT'S ALONG THE OLD TROY PIKE WILL HELP ALLEVIATE CORRECT, UH, CONCERNS, UM, BEING BECAUSE YOU NO LONGER HAVE, UH, JUST THE, UH, WE'LL CALL IT THE, UH, CONGESTED AREA.
YOU'D BE ABLE TO GO THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH AND GET UP TO THE HIGHWAY AT THAT POINT IN TIME, CLEARING OUT SOME OF THAT, UH, AREA WHERE IT WOULD BE BACKING UP NOW.
SO ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, A FULL WIDENING ALONG THIS PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR ANY OF THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS COMING, UM, ONTO OLD TROY PIKE OR, UH, STRAIGHT CONDITIONS DOWN TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, UH, FURTHER TO THE WEST.
SO WITH ALL OF THESE WIDENINGS MEANS WE ARE, AS I MENTIONED, INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAYS TO ALLOW FOR MORE OF THAT TRAFFIC TO GET THROUGH, UM, ON THE INTERIOR STREET NETWORK.
UM, OH, ANOTHER BIG THING IS A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL LOCATED, UM, AT COMING OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND LINING UP WITH EXISTING, UH, CURB CUTS ACROSS THE STREETS.
WE HAVE SOME AREAS ALONG THE OLD TROY PIKE NOW THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE OFFSET.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS TURNING LEFT OUT OF ONE, TRYING TO TURN LEFT OUT OF ANOTHER, THAT CAUSES SOME ADDITIONAL CONGESTION AND SOME, UH, DIFFICULTIES IN THE TURN MOVEMENTS, THIS WILL HELP REALIGN THINGS AND HAVE THOSE TURN MOVEMENTS, UH, LOCATED, UH, AT THE PROPER SPOTS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE
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A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, TO PUSH PEOPLE OUT ONTO THE ROADWAY IN THE PROPER SPACE AND THE PROPER TIMING ITSELF, THESE SIGNALS WILL ALL BE CONNECTED AS PART OF OUR INTERNET INTERCONNECT PROGRAM OF THE TIMING, SO THAT WE'LL KEEP THE FLOW GOING ALONG THE, THE STREETS, UM, TO ALLOW FOR AS ONE AREA AS BEING RELEASED, THAT THE TIMING IS RIGHT, THAT, UH, KEEPS PEOPLE MOVING.UM, SO THAT SOMETIMES WE'VE NOTICED WHEN THERE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE OPTICON SYSTEM FOR WHEN THE FIRE TRUCKS GOING THROUGH, THAT WILL TURN A CERTAIN SIGNAL GREEN TO ALLOW FOR THAT TRUCK TO GO THROUGH.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK ON, IT TAKES A COUPLE CYCLES TO GET BACK TO NORMAL.
SO YOU MAY HAVE A GREEN LIGHT, BUT THE NEXT SIGNAL UP HAS BEEN RED FOR A LITTLE BIT.
SO NOW YOU'VE GOT TO WAIT FOR THAT TO CLEAR BEFORE YOU MOVE.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT SOME OF THAT TIMING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT YOU'RE MOVING AT A CONSISTENT LEVEL THROUGH EACH OF THESE SIGNALS, UM, IN GETTING THROUGH, UH, PAST THE HIGHWAY ITSELF, OH, DOT CONTROLS, UH, THE HIGHWAY ITSELF, BUT WE HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT TIMING AS WELL.
ODAT LIKES TO SEE MORE PEOPLE GET OFF THE HIGHWAY.
WE LIKE TO SEE PEOPLE MOVE OVER THE HIGHLIGHT.
UH, SO THAT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THAT, UH, THAT TIMING COMES IN INVOLVED OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS DONE CORRECTLY AND SMOOTHLY.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED NEXT ON THE, UH, THE INTERIOR OF THIS, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, CONCERNS WAS ABOUT, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME FROM, UM, A, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL USE COMING OUT ONTO OLD TROY PIKE, THERE WILL BE ACCESS DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD TO DIRECT PEOPLE, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE EASIER CHOICES.
UM, SO THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO COME OUT AT THE SIGNAL, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THEY'RE GOING.
IF THEY'RE GOING NORTHBOUND TO GO TO THE HIGHWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT TO THE SIGNAL AND MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN, UM, AND GO UP TO THE HIGHWAY, BUT TO GO SOUTHBOUND, UH, TO GO, UH, DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTHERN END OF HUBER HEIGHTS OR DAYTON, THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE INTERIOR AND COME OUT ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND GO THAT DIRECTION.
SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT FINAL DESIGN IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE OF, UM, THE, THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF, UH, THOSE DRIVEWAYS AS USERS COME IN, UM, TO EACH OF THOSE, UH, HUBER ROAD, HUBER ROAD IS, UH, PLAN TO BE VACATED, UH, WITH THIS AS PART OF THAT BACK PART, UM, IS LIKE I SAID, AND IT'S IN A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHERE THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO GO.
AND THE LOCATION OF IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE AT THAT LOCATION FOR TURNING LEFT AND TURNING LEFT, UH, OUT OF AND TURNING LEFT INTO.
SO FOCUSING THE TRAFFIC TO GO OUT TO THE SIGNAL, UM, CREATES A MUCH BETTER PLAN FOR ACCESS TO OLD TROY PIKE AND ACCESS INTO THESE FACILITIES.
UM, THE DRIVES WILL BE EXTENDED FROM THE EXISTING BUSINESSES, UH, AND EASEMENTS WILL BE IN PLACE, UH, FOR THOSE TO MAKE SMOOTH TRANSITIONS, TO GET OUT TO ULTRA PIKE.
UM, SO, UM, I BELIEVE I HAVE HITS EVERYTHING, UH, REGARDING THOSE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, THE BIG THING IS, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, THE, THE WIDENING OF OLD TROY PIKE, AND THEN ALLOWING FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE THAT WIDENING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE HIGHWAY, UM, IS GOING TO BE, MAKE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE OUT ON OLD TROY PIKE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. VARGO? YES.
IS THAT WIDENING SCHEDULED FOR THE WIDENING OF OLD TROY PIKE UP TO THE INTERSTATE? UM, IT, IT IS NOT SCHEDULED YET, UH, FOR ONE, UH, WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PLAN RIGHT HERE, BUT THE ONE THING THAT THIS PLAN WILL DO IS HELP SPEED UP THAT PROCESS FOR THE CITY PORTION OF THIS PROJECT.
MY QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO WIDEN OLD TROY PIKE, THE LAND HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, IS IT GOING TO BE, ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IN ORDER TO DO THAT WIDENING? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY NOT INCLUDE IT IN THE CURRENT PLAN? IT, IT IS, UH, THIS CURRENT PLAN DOES SHOW THAT WIDENING AND ADDING THAT LANE ON ULTRA PIKE.
BUT WHERE IS THE LAND GOING TO COME FROM,
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UH, OFF OF THEIR FRONTAGE OFF OF THEIR FRONTAGE? YES.IT'S IN THE RED IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SHOWN THAT THE CURB THE EXIST.
OH, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP ON SCREEN ACTUALLY.
IS THERE, SO WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THAT WIDENS LANE.
SO THEY'RE THEIR DRAWINGS WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING THE CURB IS THE PROPOSED CURB, NOT THE EXISTING CURB, SO THAT THAT'S SHOWING THAT WHITENING ALREADY.
SO THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US ALREADY TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE WIDENING.
BUT YOU SAY THAT'S NOT SCHEDULED, IS IT ON, IS IT ON, OH, DOTS? IS THAT ON THE STATE SCHEDULE? IS IT ON THE CITY SCHEDULE? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? WELL, THE WHITE IN FRONT OF THIS PARCEL HERE IS PLANNED AS BEING PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THE BLUE IS THE CITY THAT WE WILL, UM, HAVE DESIGNED AT THE SAME TIME AND TO BE ABLE TO DO IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, DO I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THERE WILL BE A LIGHT ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD WHERE THE RESIDENTS WILL BE COMING OUT OF, OF, UH, THAT AREA? NO, NOT A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
NOW THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WILL BE ON OLD TROY PIKE ACROSS FROM THE, UH, ENTRANCE WHERE BURGER KING IS.
AND MOUNTAIN WHITNEY WILL BE THE ACCESS TO TAYLORSVILLE, NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, THERE WILL BE AN ACCESS POINT THAT COMES STRAIGHT THROUGH THERE, THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS STILL ONGOING WITH MOUNT WHITNEY.
UM, BUT WHAT WILL NOT HAPPEN IS IT WILL NOT BE MOVED ALL THE WAY OVER TO LINE UP WITH COMM CREST.
THERE IS AN ISSUE THERE AS YOU'RE COMING THROUGH WITH, UH, HOW THOSE ANGLES WORK IN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE LOCATED THERE THAT, UH, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T WORK TO, UH, PROPERLY HAVE TRAFFIC GO THROUGH THERE.
SO, UM, THERE WILL BE ACCESS COMING THROUGH THAT AREA.
AND IT'S POTENTIALLY COMBINING WITH MOUNT WHITNEY, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, SO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL BE, OR IF IT WILL BE A NEW ROAD, A NEW DRIVE WILL COME DOWN TO, UH, CONNECT TO, UH, TAYLORSVILLE ROAD IN MULTIPLE PLACES THERE IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
AND, UH, ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION ON THIS WAS THERE ARE, UH, ANY OF THE ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTIONS WILL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
SO, UM, LIKE THE, UH, UH, THE CLOSEST ONE TO THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT OUT ON TO CAUSE SHE'LL BE TURNING INTO A TURN LANE THERE, SO THAT'LL BE BLOCKED OFF.
NO, MY IN MY, UM, MY QUESTION MAINLY IS HOW DO THE RESIDENTS GET FROM THEIR BUILDINGS OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THROUGH AN INTERIOR STRAIGHT NETWORK, BUT THAT STREET'S NOT BUILT YET.
NOTHING'S BUILT YET THAT THAT'LL, THE, THE ACTUAL DESIGN WILL COME IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE, BUT, UM, ON THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING AND IT SHOWS TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES TO GET DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFRIES, ANYBODY BEFORE HIM? HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE THE SAME THING.
I WAS GOING TO DIRECT MY QUESTION TO MOUNT WHITNEY AS TO, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU SAID THAT IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS.
UM, WHAT'S THE PROBABILITY OF MOUNT WHITNEY CONNECTING VERSUS THE CURRENT ROAD THAT IT'S IN THE PLANS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, UP THE NEIGHBORING, CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AND THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL THERE, BUT, UM, WE DON'T SEE IT AS A REQUIREMENT TO MAKE THIS PLAN WORK TO, UM, TRULY SATISFY HOW TO HAVE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS, UH, MOVE CORRECTLY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME OWNER FOR MOUNT WHITNEY AS IT WAS FOR THE BROAD REACH DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHIN VINE, BROOKE, WHO IS THE CURRENT ELEANOR.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME GROUP WITHIN PINEBROOK.
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SWAP PLEASE.WELL, GOING ALONG WITH WHAT, UM, MS. THOMAS WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE OWNERS OF THE TWO AREAS, UM, I HAVE A QUESTIONS ADDRESSING THE APARTMENTS.
WHAT KIND OF APARTMENTS ARE THESE GOING TO BE? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE UPSCALE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE A LOW INCOME? ARE THEY GOING TO BE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE IN THOSE TWO THAT WE HAVE NOW? I WOULD SAY THEY'RE CLOSE TO LIKE WATERSTONE UP THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, UH, MARKET RATES.
UM, THE, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO, UH, POTENTIAL MAYBE RENTAL RATES THAT CAN THINK, BUT NOT RENT RESTRICTED, NOT LOW INCOME.
CAUSE THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE THERE ON MOUNT WHITNEY ARE, UM, MORE IN THE LOWER RANGE.
UM, NOT QUITE HALF WHAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT WATERSTONES WATERSTONES ARE, UM, BUT VERY CLOSE, LESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IS THE SELLABILITY OF THESE, UH, RENTING, YOU KNOW, RENTING, WANTING TO RENT THERE, OR WOULD YOU WANT TO RENT NEXT TO SOMEPLACE? THAT'S THAT LOOKS LIKE WATERSTONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S VERY UNKEPT AND, AND NEEDS LOTS OF, OF, UH, UPGRADES AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I AM HIGHLY CONCERNED WITH.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF MY CONCERNS TOO, IS THAT SO MUCH OF THE LAND, YOU KNOW, UH, IS BEING DESIGNATED TOWARDS THE APARTMENTS.
I REALLY AM NOT SO TOTALLY AGAINST THE APARTMENTS AS MUCH AS THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THEY'RE PARKING FOR THOSE PLACES, UM, IF YOU'RE HAVING, UH, UH, PARKING OR, YOU KNOW, HAVING APARTMENTS IN THE RANGE OF WATERSTONE, MORE THAN LIKELY THOSE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO VEHICLES AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR TWO VEHICLES.
SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? SO I'LL START WITH ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TYPES OF APARTMENTS THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THEIR MARKET RESEARCH, UM, BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE WILL WORK IN THIS AREA WHERE PEOPLE COME FROM, WHERE, WHERE THEY WILL GO.
UM, THAT'S ALL PART OF THEIR RESEARCH ON WANTING TO BUILD, UM, THAT AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BUILD, IF THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY COULD RENT THEM OUT.
UM, SO, BUT, UH, FOR OUR PARKING THERE'S A CALCULATION THAT'S, UM, IS, UH, TO BE USED, THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT DETAILED PLAN IF THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT WORK AND IT'S NOT A REASONABLE AMOUNT, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF THAT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I LIKE WHAT THEY DID, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ON THIS.
I, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT I WAS VERY CONCERNED WITH.
UM, I WISH THAT THEY WOULD ELIMINATE THOSE COUPLE OTHER EXITS AND ENTRANCES THERE.
UH, BUT, UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING, THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN THERE.
SO ALL THAT'S TO COME BACK LATER TO US AND YEAH, TRY NOT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S.
SOME OF THE LABELS ARE FOR THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE CORNER SAYS BANK, THEY MAY HAVE A BANK THAT WANTS TO GO THERE, BUT YOU'RE NOT APPROVING A BANK IN THAT LOCATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT'LL HELP ME.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL TO SHOW HOW IT COULD LAY OUT.
THERE COULD BE, UH, ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE THAT COMES IN THAT ONCE THAT SPACE, THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE AND COMMENT ON.
UM, MR. JEFFREY, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE IT WAS, I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS FOR THE APARTMENTS, OR IS THIS MORE, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS PLUS, UM, TO TOUCH ON MOUNT WHITNEY? I THINK WE ALL AGREED THAT THE LAST MEETING, I MEAN, THAT'S A MUST TO FIGURE OUT AND COMING OUT ON THE TAYLORSVILLE FULL RANGE, RIGHT.
LEFT 10 FEET APART OR WHATEVER THOSE TWO ROADS ARE, IS, WOULD BE AN OUT, UM, BELIEVE BE IN MOUNT WHITNEY, BEING THAT IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
DOESN'T IT HAVE TO GRANT EASEMENTS
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IF THEY WERE TO CONNECT IN.SO SAY LIKE WHERE THIS ROAD IS COMING, WHERE THIS ROAD IS COMING DOWN AND KIND OF TURN IF THEY WANTED TO CONNECT INTO MOUNT WHITNEY DOESN'T MOUNT WHITNEY HAVE TO GRANT THAT EASEMENT.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THAT ROUTE ALREADY, SINCE WE ALL SAID LAST TIME MOUNT WHITNEY WAS A MUST.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE, UH, UH, NEIGHBORING PRIVATE OWNER, WE CANNOT REQUIRE THIS OWNER TO UTILIZE SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND.
THEY HAVE TO BE GRANTED THE EASTMAN.
IF THESE GUYS TIE THEIR ROAD INTO MOUNT WHITNEY, DOESN'T MATTER WHEN YOU HAVE TO GRANT THAT.
SO WE COULD TIE INTO MOUNT WHITNEY AND THEY USE MOUNT WHITNEY AS THE SINGULAR ROAD OUT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE DRYWALL, IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER ALLOWS IT.
AND THEN, WHICH I DO, I AGREE WITH THIS ALBUM, IT'S AN AMAZING DIFFERENCE FROM WHERE WE WERE, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE CITY IMPROVEMENTS AND THE WIDENING, WE'RE DOING MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN WHERE WE WERE BEFORE.
ONE QUESTION, I GUESS I'D HAVE IN LOOKING AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA AGAIN, IS LOOKING AT THE ENTRANCES INTO MCDONALD'S.
IF WE CAN TALK TO LIKE MCDONALD'S AND ARBY'S POSSIBLY ABOUT HELPING THE DIRECTOR STAGE THEIR OWN TRAFFIC INTO THE WATCH TO FREE UP THAT LANE.
AND WHEN WE WIDEN A TWO OH TWO, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE EXIT OF ARMIES COMING OUT ON THE MERRILY WAY.
I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO TELL SOMEBODY TO CLOSE IT OFF, BUT IT DOES CAUSE SOME BOTTLENECK, IF WE CAN PUSH ALL THEIR TRAFFIC TO THE REAR ENTRANCE EXIT OR DISCUSS IT, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.
I KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO, BUT SO, SO ON THAT END, THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING I FAILED TO MENTION, UM, LOOKING AT THAT AREA IN FRONT OF RVS ON MERRILY WAY AS WELL, TO MAKE THAT TURN LANE GOING NORTHBOUND THAT FREES UP SOME OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT BACKUP, THAT'S TRYING TO GET EITHER CROSSOVER OR TURN LEFT OR, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND THEN I GUESS THE ENTRANCE EXIT ACROSS, I GUESS, BETWEEN WHERE THE NEW LIGHT WOULD BE IN TAYLORSVILLE COMING FROM, I GUESS IN BETWEEN I HOP IN THE BANK, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY, OR COULD WE LOOK AT A MEDIAN IN THERE TO DIVERT TO MAKE IT NO LEFT TURN COMING? WHAT DOES THAT EASTBOUND OUT? I'M TRYING TO TURN LEFT ONTO TWO OH TWO TO AVOID BACKUPS, TO PUSH ALL THE LEFT, TURN TRAFFIC OVER TO A LIGHT.
AND THAT, THAT MAY BE A WHERE WE PUT SOME MORE OF THOSE DEFLECTORS, BECAUSE THAT IS CALLED OUT TO BE A RIGHT OUT.
UH, ONLY WE JUST STILL TO ELIMINATE THE OPTION TO WHETHER WE DO IMMEDIATE FLEXIS RIGHT.
PERSONALLY, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF ADDING A TRAFFIC LIGHT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING AROUND THAT ONE.
UM, IS THERE A REASON WE DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THIS TIME OR IS THERE JUST NO POINT IN DOING A SECOND ONE IN THE STUDIES THE SAME? UH, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, FROM, FROM WHAT THEY DID, THIS IS JUST A CLARIFYING AND GOING FURTHER THAN WHAT THE STUDY WAS SAYING.
AND THEN THE OTHER MAJOR, I MEAN, THE MAJOR THINGS I HAD WAS THE MOUNT WHITNEY EXIT ON THE TAYLORSVILLE TO ME NEEDS FIGURED OUT.
UM, AND THEN THE ROAD THAT STARBUCKS HAS TO USE, BECAUSE I MEAN, STARBUCKS CAME IN AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION WE HAD TO GIVE THEM WAS THERE, THE PORK CHOP PAT OUT IN THE FRONT, I THINK THAT ACCESS ROAD IN THIS CASE IS BEING DIVERTED THROUGH A PARKING LOT OF WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, THE WAY IT'S LABELED.
I PERSONALLY THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND, TAKE CUBA ROAD OUT AND EXTEND THAT ROAD, THAT NEEDS TO BE A ROAD, NOT AN EASEMENT THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE'S PARKING LOT.
I THINK THAT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO AN EXISTING BUSINESS POTENTIALLY.
WELL, FOR ONE, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS.
UM, BUT YES, THE, THE, THE POINT IS TO GET THEM OUT TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW I GET THAT IT'S CONCEPTUAL.
I JUST DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES WHEN IT COMES TO THE DETAILED PLAN.
IF I BRING THAT UP AGAIN OF DOES IT THE RIGHT NOW, IT DOES IT DOESN'T FIT TO WHAT I'M PROPOSING, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING BECAUSE OF THAT ROAD IS GOING THROUGH A PARKING LOT.
AND I DON'T WANT THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT STAGE AND SAY, MAN, WHY DIDN'T WE HEAR ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME? BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING AS WELL.
AND POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE PARKING SPACES OFF OF, UH, ANY DRIVE AISLE THAT GOES THROUGH HERE, BUT A POINT TAKEN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THAT RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT IN THE DRIVE UP DRIVE THROUGH EXIT LANE AS, AS DRAWN.
I KNOW CONCEPTUALLY, BUT IT, I'M SURE THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, THE GOAL OF WHAT THEY WANT AND THAT'S MY STUFF TO COMMENT ON.
AND I'M SURE THEY'LL HAVE PLENTY OF ANSWERS OR STUFF TO GO OVER.
BUT I DO THINK THAT GETTING THE BLOCKING THAT TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THE IHOPS SIDE
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OF THE EXIT FROM TURNING LEFT, WORKING WITH THE OTHER RESTAURANTS IN THERE TO HELP WITH THE REST OF THAT TRAFFIC FLOW, NOT A FAN OF PUTTING ANOTHER TRAFFIC LIGHT IN, LIKE I SAID, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT ONE, BUT THAT EXIT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE, I THINK, HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING, FIGURE IT OUT.OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SHOW, OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THERE YOU GO.
MY NAME IS MIKE
UM, I'M JUST GONNA TAKE ONE MINUTE AND, UH, KIND OF REWIND AND GO BACK AND SAY THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR GIVING US THIS SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, WE MET ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO.
UH, WE MET ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, AND WE REALLY HEARD WHAT YOU GUYS SAID.
AND WE, UH, WITH EXTREME HELP FROM THE, FROM THE CITY, WE, YOU KNOW, ARE TRYING TO CREATE THIS PARTNERSHIP.
WE ARE CREATING THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH, UM, A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU SEE ON, ON THE PLANS.
UM, EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, CREATING A FULL, UH, TURNING LANE, THE WHOLE FRONTAGE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT ON OLD TROY PIKE, UH, THE FULL LANE ON TAYLORSVILLE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN GOING NORTH ON OLD TROY PIKE AS WELL.
UM, CREATING EXITS AND ENTRANCES THAT WORK FOR OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, AND OUR, UH, USERS AT THE END, BECAUSE IF OUR USERS AREN'T SUCCESSFUL HERE, THEN THE CITY LOSES AND THE PATRONS AND THE COMMUNITY LOSES, CAUSE YOU'LL JUST HAVE VACANT BUILDINGS.
SO WHILE WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO DESIGN STANDARDS, WE ALSO HAVE TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST PRODUCT, WHETHER IT'S FOR RETAIL USER OR IF IT'S FOR THE, THE APARTMENTS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON THIS PARTNERSHIP TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE, UM, YEAH, THE DESIGN YOU GUYS SEE HERE TONIGHT, UM, AS SCOTT HAD MENTIONED, THE RED THAT YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN IS WHAT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS A DEVELOPER.
THE BLUE IS THE OVERALL PLAN THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON.
UM, UH, UH, THINK I NEED TO GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL MOVEMENTS.
I THINK SCOTT DID A GREAT JOB GOING THROUGH THAT.
UM, AGAIN, JUST A BIT MORE OF, OF A BLOW UP OF IT, THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT WITH THE APPROPRIATE TRAFFIC MEASURES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT EXITS FROM A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, I'M HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT OUR GROUP IS HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CONTROL THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN WE OPERATED WAY DOWN PLAZA, WE DIDN'T EVEN OWN THAT SIDE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
I DON'T WANT TO DO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL EITHER.
IT'S REALLY, REALLY EXPENSIVE.
UM, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT IF IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, UM, IF IT'S BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO I DO THINK IT WILL HELP.
IT CREATES A VERY POINT OF FOCUS FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC, UM, FROM THE, THEIR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE APARTMENTS CREATES, UH, WHICH ALL OF THESE ACCESS POINTS DO VIA THE TRAFFIC STUDY, ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICES.
AND EACH ONE IS, UH, ACCESS POINTS IN, AND THE TRAFFIC REPORT LAST NIGHT SHOWED THAT AS WELL.
AND IT STILL, UH, STILL SAYS THAT, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
UM, THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE, UH, THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE WIDENING OF TAYLORSVILLE WITH THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE.
AND THIS IS THE, THE RIGHT-HAND TURN ONTO TELLERS.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS, ALONG WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, TRAFFIC SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS.
JUST I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS ONE UP HERE.
UM, YOU DON'T, I HEARD A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC COMMENTS.
AND THEN I THINK HOMESTEAD IS HERE AS WELL.
SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS MORE OF THE APARTMENT, UH, QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD HERE AND BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN ITS VIABILITY, UM, BECAUSE, UH, IF IT'S A BANK, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO BE HERE.
IF IT'S ANOTHER QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT, THOSE FOLKS WANT TO BE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS THEM TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO THEIR BUSINESS, NOT HAVE THE RIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, CIRCULATION
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AND THE RIGHT OPERATIONAL THINGS IN PLACE SO THAT THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN'T RUN THEIR BUSINESSES.UM, WE DON'T OWN THE APARTMENTS NEXT TO US.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM.
UM, I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS ON MOUNT WHITNEY.
UH, WE CAN ASK, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN EAR FROM THOSE GUYS.
UM, QUITE HONESTLY, AND I THINK HOMESTEAD WILL SPEAK MORE TO THIS, THEIR USE IN THEIR PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING IS MUCH NICER THAN THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THAT CONNECTIVITY.
AND DOES THAT CONNECTIVITY MAKE SENSE? DOES IT MAKE SENSE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IS THAT INTERACTION GOING TO WORK? UM, I CAN'T, I DON'T OPERATE THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THEY HAVE A VERY LONG RELATIONSHIP HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, SO I, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF MY CONTROL.
ALL WE ARE DOING IS FOCUSING ON THAT PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE RIGHT THING ON OUR PROPERTY.
UM, STARBUCKS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO BRING THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS INTO OURS, EVEN THOUGH, AGAIN, WE DON'T OWN THEM.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE WE KNOW ALL TROY PIKE IS CONCERNED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT WHERE WE CAN, UH, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT THERE BECAUSE THE CITY HAPPENS TO CONTROL HUBA ROAD.
AND THAT IS THE CATALYST FOR THAT.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE VACATING THAT, OR THE CITY IS VACATING, THAT THAT HELPS US CREATE, HELPS US DO THAT.
UM, THINK THAT WAS OTHER THAN THE APARTMENTS THAT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER FOR HOMESTEAD.
THEY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE A LOT MORE ABOUT THE UNIT COUNTS AND THE LIABILITY OF THAT.
UM, I JUST, I DO WANT TO JUST STRESS, YOU KNOW, THESE USERS WANT TO BE HERE AND THEY WANT TO BE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT WILL TRANSLATE TO, UH, THE SAME WITH HOMESTEAD, UH, IN THEIR VISION THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE APARTMENTS.
THANKS, MICHAEL RESPECT AS I HAVE FOR YOU, WE DON'T WANT YOU GUYS OPERATING RESIDENTIAL EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO.
UM, MATT CANTERBURY, HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT, THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR HAVING US.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING A LITTLE LATER, THEN SOME OF THOSE PLANTS, SO I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OVER POSTS.
UM, WE'RE SEEING, AND WE'RE A DEVELOPER BASED IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.
WE DO, UM, MULTIFAMILY OF MANY TYPOLOGIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UH, MOSTLY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDWEST, UM, OHIO NEIGHBORING STATES, UH, WE MANAGE, UM, STUDENT PROPERTIES, SENIOR PROPERTIES, ET CETERA.
SO WE HAVE A VAST DATABASE OF WHAT THE TRENDS ARE THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, DICHOTOMY.
SO TO SAY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DRAWN US SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SITE IN THIS COMMUNITY IS IN FACT, SOME OF THE, UM, OLDER PRODUCT, UM, THERE'S STILL A HIGH, UM, A LOW VACANCY NUMBER, UH, WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY AND A HIGHER NEED FOR RENTAL SPACE.
SO A PRODUCT LIKE THIS, AND YOU'LL SEE EVEN HOW WE HAVE IT ORIENTED ARCHITECTURALLY, IT'S ORIENTED A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERNAL FACING, RIGHT? SO YOU COME IN THROUGH THE MAIN ACCESS INTO THE CLUBHOUSE, THEN YOU GO IN AND EVEN THE WAY THAT IT KIND OF CURVES OFF OF THE RETAIL, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, AN INTENDED RESPITE THERE TO KIND OF BREAK IN, YOU GET IN, AND THERE'S SORT OF THE INTERNAL PARKING LOT AND SOME RIBBONS AROUND THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? SO WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, AND INTEND THAT OUR PRODUCT IS GOING TO BE, UM, SOME OF THE NICER PRODUCT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF
UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY MODELING RENT SIMILAR TO THAT PRODUCT AND OF THE TYPOLOGY.
THAT'S WHERE THE WATERSTONE, UM, COMPARISON COMES INTO PLAY.
SO, UM, YES, UH, WE HAVE A BUFFER AROUND OUR PRODUCT, UM, YES, THAT IS PURPOSEFUL TO DIFFERENTIATE OURSELVES FROM ADJACENT PRODUCTS.
WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT, UM, OUR CLIENTELE WHO IN OUR BELIEF IN OUR STUDY IS GOING TO BE COMING MAJORITY FROM THIS AREA.
THERE WILL BE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO RELOCATE FROM RENTALS OR RELOCATE FROM SINGLE FAMILIES TO THAT, OF BEING CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY.
UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT BEING CLOSE TO THE PROXIMITY TO FREE WILL, WILL BRING SOME FOLKS THAT WORK IN THE AREA CLOSER TO THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS PRODUCT TYPE, I BELIEVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS WILL DRIVE A LOT OF SINGLES.
IT'LL TRY SOME YOUNG PROFESSIONALS.
THERE WILL BE SOME DIVORCED PARENTS.
SO, UM, WE ARE FINDING OUR DATA THAT SOME OF THE TWO BEDROOMS, IN FACT, WON'T HAVE TWO CARS, BUT THEY'LL HAVE A SECOND BEDROOM FOR THEIR CHILD OR GROWN CHILD TO COME BACK AND LIVE WITH THEM.
UM, WE'RE PARKED AT ONE PER BED AND THAT IS INTENTIONAL BASED UPON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE MANAGING THIS, THAT WE FEEL THAT THAT IS A REAL GOOD PARKING RATIO FOR OUR USER.
UM, JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER EVERYTHING
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THAT WAS ASKED, PARDON ME? THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PARKED AT ONE PER BED.UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, VEHICULAR PATHWAYS AND THE INTERNAL NETWORK, AS SCOTT DID MENTION, UM, WE DO HAVE, AND WE HAVE ALIGNED.
AND ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THIS PLAN YOU'LL SEE AS THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, UM, THAT IS BASICALLY FOR EASE OF THE TRAFFIC LEAVING, TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE FREEWAY.
WE INTEND THAT TO PROBABLY A MAJORITY OF OUR RESIDENTS WILL GO NORTH TO THE FREEWAY AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO HEAD SOUTH TO TAYLORSVILLE ARE THERE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE STUDIED AS PART OF ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN FIND.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PERTAINING SPECIFIC TO THAT OF THE RESIDENTIAL? I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT ACCESS TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
IT SEEMS THAT, UH, MOUNT WHITNEY IS A QUESTION MARK AT THIS TIME.
AND SO I, UH, LOOKING TO SEE, TO FIND OUT FROM YOU, WHAT IS PLAN B? YEAH.
IN FACT, I WOULD, I WOULD ALMOST EVEN CALL THAT, THAT PLAN B FRANKLY.
SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR PLAN IS.
AND ONE OF THE PURPOSEFUL ALIGNMENTS HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ALL THE WAY BACK HERE, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S CONGESTION HERE.
MOST PEOPLE, AND EVEN IN BILLING CODE, WHEN THEY LOOK AT OCCUPANTS COMING IN AND OUT OF A BUILDING MORE THAN TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING CODE WILL POINT TOWARDS, THEY WILL NATURALLY GRAVITATE TOWARDS WHERE THEY CAME IN.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE MOST I INTEND WOULD COME HERE AS IN TERMS OF EASE OF USE.
IF THIS IS BACKED UP, THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME THIS WAY.
I THINK THIS IS A MORE STOUT ROAD AND GOING OUT THIS WAY, I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE THE PRIMARY WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET DOWN TO TAYLORSVILLE.
AND AS WE, AS MIKE MENTIONED THAT WE'RE ABLE TO WORK OUT THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP, SOMETHING WITH MOUNT WHITNEY, IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE, OR EVEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO QUEUE HERE, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MAJOR PATHWAY TO TAYLORSVILLE.
I WANT TO ADD ONE COMMENT TO MATS, UM, TO BUILD OFF OF THAT, THAT ROAD IN THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, IS PRIMARY.
YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS CAN USE THAT MORE OF THE RETAIL USERS ARE GOING TO BE UP MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
RETAIL USERS ARE GOING TO BE TRAVERSING IN FRONT OF THE STORE FRONTS FROM OLD TROY PIKE AND EVEN FROM TAYLORSVILLE.
SO YOU ALMOST HAVE A SEPARATION.
THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES CREATE A SEPARATION FOR THE TRAFFIC NATURALLY IN THE WAY THE PLAN IS DESIGNED NOT TO AIR OUR DIRTY LAUNDRY, BUT WE'RE MAKING THEM PUT THAT ROAD IN BEFORE WE DEVELOPED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
JUST TO GO ANOTHER STEP ON THAT, THAT SECONDARY ACCESS COULD BE SEEN MORE AS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS, THAT SECONDARY TYPE THING.
AND, UM, TO GO BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT WHERE THAT COMES OUT ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, THAT CAN BE DESIGNED THAT YOU CAN HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS WITHIN REASON, SO THAT WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT SPACING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THE SITE IS THERE.
THERE'S NOT BUSHES OUT FAR ENOUGH, THAT'S BLOCKING SOME SIGHT DISTANCE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, BUT, UH, SOME SPACING THERE THAT EVEN IF IT WASN'T A DRIVE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE APARTMENTS, THE MEDICAL OFFICE TYPE WHAT'S CALLED OUT THERE, UH, WOULD COME OUT AT THAT KIND OF THAT LOCATION, UM, AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF MOVEMENTS.
UM, SO WHILE, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, AS PLAN B TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO COMBINE USES YET, YES, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PLAN IS TO COMBINE ONE DRIVE, BUT THIS IS STILL A GOOD PLAN TO HAVE THE MULTIPLE DRIVES THAT GO THROUGH THERE, UH, TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PROPER ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND SO AS THE CITY HAD, OR CAN YOU TELL US IF THE CITY HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNERS OF MOUNT WHITNEY ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? YES.
UM, SO, UH, PART OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD, UM, THAT IS SINCE IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, WE HAVE HAD, WE'LL SAY CALLS FROM RESIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT, UH, WHETHER THE CITY CAN, UH, WHEN'S THE CITY GOING TO REPAVE IT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT A CITY ROAD.
SO YES, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS.
CAUSE MY, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN BACK THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES TO ME, AN OBVIOUS
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POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO ME, BECAUSE I KNOW FROM WHAT YOU GUYS JUST ALLUDED TO AS WELL, YOU WANT A BUFFER BETWEEN HILLTOP AND WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING.I MEAN, YOU, YOU WANT, YOU WANT A SEPARATION THAT'S I DON'T BLAME YOU TO ME.
THE OBVIOUS BUFFER IS TO TAKE MOUNT WHITNEY AND BURN THE WHOLE ROAD, LIKE CARE, CHARLES PARKWAY, LET THEIR RESIDENTS EXIT ONTO THE NEW ROAD WHERE THE BERMS BUILD PRIVACY AND LANDSCAPE ACROSS THE TOP.
THE SCREEN THAT IN TO ME, THAT'S THE NATURAL SOLUTION TO LOOK AT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES FOR ME TO SAY YES, IS SOMETHING TO GET A RESOLUTION THERE.
UM, KELLY GRAY, I REPRESENT THE SELLER ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO I'VE HAD VERY SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS THAT ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND, UM, THE REALITY IS THAT THE MOUNT MOUNT WHITNEY APARTMENTS ARE OWNED BY A DIFFERENT ENTITY, A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PARTNERS.
AND THEY, I CAN SAY THAT THEY HAVE REAL CONCERNS AS TO WHAT THE INFLOW OF TRAFFIC WILL DO TO THE, UM, RENTABILITY OF THOSE APARTMENTS.
EVEN AS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THEY CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS DOING TO THE FRONT, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP GROUPS, UM, BUT ON THEIR SIDE OF IT, THEY'VE DONE QUITE A BIT.
I'M SURE YOU, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH VINE, BROOKE, THEY'VE DONE IT QUITE A BIT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THOSE, ALL THE APARTMENTS THAT THEY OWN IN THE CITY AND THE HOUSES UP TO CODE, AND THEY WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AT RISK WITH WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THIS, JUST BECAUSE IF YOU RENT AN APARTMENT THAT'S BEHIND A BIG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ALREADY A DOWNFALL.
SO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT, THEY WANT TO KEEP GOOD QUALITY TENANTS IN THERE, WHICH IS BETTER FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT OWNERSHIP GROUP IS REALLY NOT LOOKING AT THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS NOT FOR SALE.
AND THESE GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BIG CONTRACT NUMBER AS IT IS, AND TO PUT MORE MONEY ON THEM.
I KNOW THEIR DEAL IS, IS THIN AS IT IS.
AND IF WE WANT TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE AND NOT HAVE BOARDED UP APARTMENTS AND BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T BEING USED RIGHT NOW IN OLD TROY PIKE, WHICH IS THE GATEWAY TO YOUR CITY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO WORK AS BEST THEY CAN, BUT THIS IS JUST, IT'S LIKE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
I JUST LIKE TO SHARE ON THAT AND I'LL SIGN YOUR LIST.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S NOT DECEMBER, JUST ONE LAST AND THIS GO TO SCOTT OR WHOEVER, BUT I MEAN, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THIS AT ALL IN ANY WAY TO TRY TO PUNCH THROUGH FROM MERRILY WAY TO GET ANOTHER WAY OUT THE BACK? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT ONE, WE HAVE SOME SIMILAR ISSUES OF PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, BUT ALSO, UM, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, PUTTING MORE TRAFFIC ONTO MERRILY WAY, I THINK IS NOT A GOOD IDEA COMPARED TO HAVING A TRAFFIC GO OUT TO THE SIGNAL, THE NEW SIGNAL, BECAUSE PEOPLE GOING OUT TO MERRILY WAY ARE GOING IN GENERAL.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GO NORTH.
I WAS TALKING THE OTHER WAY, GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE TO GO.
THE OTHER WAY OUT THE BACK OF MERRILY WAY IS MORE OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.
THERE'S NOT PROPER ACCESS TO DO THAT AT THE END OF THAT CALL TO SAC, THERE'S A BUILDING DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT.
NOT IF THERE WAS OPEN SPACE, WE COULD TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING TO WORK, BUT THERE'S A BUILDING THERE THAT, UH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A DRIVE GO THROUGH THERE.
SO, UH, THE, THE BIGGEST THING IS WHAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO.
UM, TH THEY, THEY GO FOR THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH, YOU'RE GOING TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, YOUR ATTORNEY, RIGHT AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO GO NORTH.
IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO TO THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO TURN LEFT, TO GO DOWN OLD TROY PIKE, IF YOU SEE IT, IT'S OPEN THERE.
SO YOU WILL SEE WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC IS GOING ON AN OLD TROY PIKE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE BACKED UP THAT WANT TO TURN LEFT THERE.
NOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO ON THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE EXISTING POND AND GO OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO THE, THE, THE ACCESS POINTS AS MENTIONED ABOUT NEXT TO MOUNT WHITNEY, WHERE IT'S USEFUL, IT WILL NOT BE USED AS MUCH AS ME.
WE MAY WANT TO TELL PEOPLE TOO.
UM, SO, UM, THE, WHERE IT COMES OUT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THAT CAN BE DESIGNED SAFELY AND PROPERLY, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT USER IS THERE, ABOUT HOW THAT BUILDING FITS
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GUY, LIKE, CAN I ALSO HAVE ONE CHANGE WHICH MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN NOTICED IS WE DID RECONFIGURE THE ROAD THAT IS BEHIND THE RETAIL, UM, TO WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE AS MANY SHARP 90 DEGREE TURNS ON IT, WHERE WE FELT LIKE IT FLOWED A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND OFFERED IT A MORE CASUAL DRIVE FOR, FOR THE USER AS IF THEY WERE TO GO OUT THAT WAY.UM, I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE REALLY.
UM, COULDN'T MAKE A FEW OTHER IDEAS, THE ROAD THAT IT'S GOING, LIKE FROM STARBUCKS OVER TO THE ROAD THAT IS AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING UP AND DOWN AND AROUND.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A STRAIGHT ROAD, RIGHT.
JUST INSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND GO ACROSS THAT WAY? I THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLY, UH, GETTING AWAY FROM THE FAST FOOD ITEM THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THERE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
SO THAT IT'S CLOSER TO THE RENO PARALLEL TO THE STREET WAS ONE THOUGHT.
UM, W THE OTHER THING IS THE BUSINESSES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT, UM, THAT'S VITAL.
THAT'S REALLY, WHAT'S MY BIGGEST INTEREST IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE IN THERE? I GET PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, I'M OUT AND ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
AND THEY WANT SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, NOT MORE FAST FOOD.
THEY WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE SPECIALTY SHOPS AND A GOOD BREAKFAST PLACE TO GO.
UM, THAT'S GOING TO BRING PEOPLE INTO HUBER HEIGHTS AND ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE PARKING OR IN THE APARTMENTS.
UM, I JUST HOPE THAT THAT'S THE KIND AS OPPOSED TO MORE BANKS OR TIRE PLACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FROM HERE, BUT UP THE ROAD IS TIP CITY AND YOU GO UP AND DOWN THEIR STREET.
THEY HAVE SUCH, I MEAN, THEY HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM STATES AWAY JUST TO COME THERE, TO SHOP, UH, AND A LOT OF MORE MOM AND POP PLACES.
AND, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN ATMOSPHERE AND IT'S A, UM, IT'S THE TYPE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THERE.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK OF SPECIFIC USERS AS THIS, AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LEASES SIGNED WITH FOLKS, UH, BUT I WILL SHARE, I THINK WE WILL ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MOM AND POPS.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE SIT DOWN.
WE ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE THE SERVICE ORIENTED USES IF THEY ARE THE BANKS, THE TIRES, OR A CASUAL QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT.
WE ALSO HAVE TO KNOW GIVEN THE PAST 12 MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE WORLD'S CHANGED A BIT AND THE CONVENIENCE USE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING AS, YOU KNOW, OWNERS OF RETAIL WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY REDEVELOPED PLACES THAT WE OWN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS, WHERE TENANTS ARE COMING TO A SAY, I WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH FOR WHATEVER IT IS FOR SELLING EVEN SOFT GOODS OUT OF.
UM, SO I THINK YOU'LL BE, I THINK YOU'LL AGREE WITH THE USES WE HAVE HERE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THAT.
AND ONE OTHER AREA THAT I AM HOPING THAT THIS HELPS THE, UM, AREA THERE MOUNT WHITNEY AREA HAPPENS TO BE, UH, AN AREA THAT, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT, UH, LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SCOPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS FAR AS CRIME IN THIS, IN THE CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT'S A LITTLE ON THE HIGH SIDE THERE FOR THE WHOLE OVERALL PART OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT WILL OFFSET THAT AND SOME WAY, YOU KNOW, DETER MORE OF THAT.
I THINK ACTIVITY IS YOUR BIGGEST DETERRENT FOR THAT.
IF THERE'S ACTIVITY AT PLACES, IT DETERS CRIME, IT SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE, THEIR EYES ARE ON WATCHING PEOPLE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AND I KNOW WON'T PUT THE NECESSARY, WHETHER IT'S THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, LIGHTING IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE TO DO IT IN A GOOD WAY THAT YOU CREATE VERY NICE AND SAFE ENVIRONMENTS, RIGHT? ANOTHER THING THIS DOES FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, SINCE YOU BRING THAT UP IS THAT WALKABILITY FACTOR, PUTTING THINGS CLOSER THAT ARE USABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, SO THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER BIG POSITIVE THAT COMES FROM THIS.
SO JUST TO, I GUESS, A COMMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING, BUT WHERE YOU HAD MENTIONED THIS IS GOOD.
IT'S NOT THE BEST, BUT IT'S GOOD.
IT IS MUCH, MUCH BETTER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH THIS FOR YEARS.
SO I'D LIKE TO PUSH FOR THE BEST IS THE REASON THAT I'M,
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AND I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK I'M, ANTI-GROWTH, ANTI-DEVELOPMENT I ABSOLUTELY PRO DEVELOPMENT.IT JUST NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBLE INTO SOMETHING.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO LIVE WITH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME, NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE, BUT THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT GROWS INTO IT OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, IS WHY I KEEP ASKING YOU THESE THINGS.
IT'S NOT TO BE ANTAGONISTIC TO YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH THIS DECISION.
AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH, BUT IT'S MUCH, MUCH BETTER.
SO I THINK ONE THING TO REALIZE IS THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A BIG PART IS THE TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I TALKED FOR TWO MINUTES ON THE USE AND THE REST OF THE TIMES ABOUT TRAFFIC COULD BECAUSE, UM, THE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT AS WHAT COMES NEXT.
SO THAT WILL COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS THE BEST PLAN, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE 100%, RIGHT, THE CITY WILL LIVE WITH THIS IN THE, THIS IS FOR THE USERS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THIS IS THEIR PROJECT.
SO, UM, MAKING SURE ALL OF THAT IS DESIGNED CORRECTLY IN THOSE FINER DETAILS WILL BE PARAMOUNT.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP AND WE HAVE VIEWED IT.
WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD OVER THE PAST MONTH AND A HALF.
SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN GOOD.
UM, SO, UM, YOU THANKS TO THIS TEAM THAT WE HAVE HERE AND, YOU KNOW, SCOTT HELPING US, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO ENTER INTO THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU GUYS AND TAKE IT STEP BY STEP.
UH, AND WE BELIEVE THAT DEVELOPMENT BE SUCCESSFUL FOR A LONG TIME COMING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY WITH, UH, OWNING AND OPERATING WAYNE TOWN PLAZA.
I COME BACK HERE AND TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE CONTINUED TO DO WITH IT.
UM, I JUST WILL SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS ROOM HERE FOR RETAILERS.
RETAIL IS STILL ALIVE, IT'S NEEDED AND THEY WANT TO BE HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, I JUST SAW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER SHOP THAT WENT OUT AND THERE'S A LOT OF VACANCY IN THERE, PLUS JUST THE OVERALL FLOW OF THAT PARKING LOT.
UM, I ALMOST GOT HIT THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THERE.
CAUSE THERE'S, UH, GOING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE ROADS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE AT A PARKING LOT AND UH, THAT'S HOW I ALMOST GOT HIT.
AND IT'S IT'S UM, UH, THERE'S SOME THINGS NEED TO BE DONE OVER THERE AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY OUR PLAN IS BETTER.
THAT'S, YOU'LL SEE MORE PLANS LIKE THIS NOWADAYS THAN THE, THE OLD THROW A BUILDING WAY BACK OFF THE STREET AND PUT A SEA OF ASPHALT IN FRONT OF IT.
AND THAT IS, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE DONE AS MUCH AS YOU THINK YOU CAN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE FINAL SUGGESTION AND THAT IS, I, I, I JUST HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT THIS EXIT ON THE TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED THIS OR NOT, BUT IF, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY BUILD A ROAD JUST SOUTH OF MOUNT WHITNEY THAT GOES STRAIGHT OUT, IT LEAVES THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH BETTER EXIT THAN THAT ROUNDABOUT THAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTED.
YEAH, JUST FROM THAT, THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST TO THE, UH, ADJACENT TO MOUNT WHITNEY WOULD PROHIBIT TRYING TO DO A, UH, SOMETHING FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY ABOUT A STRAIGHT ACCESS DRIVE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE FROM THE EXISTING USE OVER THERE WHERE I DON'T SEE ANY BUILDINGS NORTH, UH, NO, I'M SORRY.
SOUTH OF THAT RED LINE WHERE THEY HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE A ROAD ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PARKING FOR THE APARTMENTS, THE APARTMENTS AREN'T ON THE PICTURE.
AND THAT WAS THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE EXISTING IN THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THE EXCESS TRAFFIC GOING RIGHT BY THEIR WINDOWS.
SO KEEPING THAT PUSHED OFF, UM, IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN THIS OVERALL PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS PLAN, UM, I APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T MEAN THE OVERALL PLAN WAS GO AHEAD AND THINK THE OVERALL PLAN IS GREAT.
KNOW IT'S JUST THAT, THAT, UH, YES, IF A COMBINED ACCESS ROAD COULD BE DONE, THAT WOULD BE OPTIMAL, BUT THIS IS A PLAN THAT WORKS
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AND CAN BE DESIGNED CORRECTLY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS DONE PROPERLY.LAST ONE, SORRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
THIS IS ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT GOES TO COUNCIL ANYWAY.
AND WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE MAN, PUT THIS ON YOU GUYS BECAUSE SO NO MATTER WHAT YOU GUYS GET TO DEAL WITH IT.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS LISTENED TO BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND IF THIS BOARD IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, THAT DECISIONS MADE HERE IN THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CITY COUNCIL, WHAT THAT IS.
AND IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US TO COME HERE IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? UH, DO I NEED TO SAY MY NAME? ALL RIGHT.
UH, RICHARD SHUL, 76, 40 REIGN VIA COURT.
UM, UH, JUST WANT TO, UM, FIRST, BEFORE I GET INTO THE DETAILS, UH, COMMEND, UH, UH, MIKE AND MATT, UH, YOUR TEAM, UH, FOR REALLY COMING BACK AND LISTENING TO WHAT WAS SAID, UM, A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SCOTT SAID, A PLANNING COMMISSION IS DEFINITELY A ADHERED TO AND LISTENED TO, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND I THINK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A S THERE'S A CITIZEN BOARD, UH, THAT'S PUT IN PLACE, UH, FOR THIS REVIEW.
UM, I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS REGARDING MOUNT WHITNEY AND A STRAIGHT THROUGH THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING DONE THERE IN MY, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM MANY, MANY OTHER PEOPLE.
UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE, UH, MORE OF A COMMUNICATION AND RELATIONSHIP WITH VINE BROOKE? UM, POSSIBLY.
AND ARE THERE OTHER AVENUES THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY THE CITY? YES.
UM, IS AS VINE BROOKE, UH, BEEN, YOU KNOW, BREAKING THEIR BACKS AND PUTTING MONEY INTO THEIR PROPERTIES? NO.
UM, SO, UH, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THOSE COMMENTS THERE, BUT I REALLY THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, AND I, AND I THINK WE NEED TO UTILIZE EVERY OPTION AVAILABLE, UM, BECAUSE AS STATED, THIS IS, THIS IS A GATEWAY TO OUR CITY.
THIS IS GOING TO HERE LONG PAST ME AND ALL OF US.
UM, WE HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT, WHICH IS WHY MIKE AND HIS GROUP, IN MY OPINION, HAVE COME BACK A SECOND TIME WITH MORE DETAILS AND, AND, AND LISTENING TO THESE OPTIONS.
AND, AND, AND MIKE, DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY IF IT HAS TO BE A THIRD AND FOURTH TIME, WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
YOU'LL HEAR THESE COMMENTS AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES IN FRONT OF ME AND MY, AND THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES, UM, AS FAR AS ADDRESSING MERRILY WAY, UM, I, I AM TOTALLY AGREEING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, EXPANDED.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO STOP PARKING ON MERRILY WAY THAT HAS GOT TO HAPPEN.
UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING, YOU KNOW, ALONG A TEXAS ROADHOUSE AND ROOSTERS.
UM, AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT CLOGS THE TRAFFIC.
THE CAR WASH IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
I THINK THE ENTRANCE TO RBS IS VERY CLOSE TO THERE.
I HAD COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, PARTNERS THAT, UH, GCK UH, BEFORE THEY SWITCHED OVER.
CAUSE THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT I WAS LOOKING INTO AS WELL.
UM, BUT YES, THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
WE NEED TO LOOK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE CAN FIX NOW, BEFORE WE START TEARING UP GROUND.
UM, SO THAT AGAIN, THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
UM, I DO HAVE A SCOTT, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT WITH THIS? CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH AS WELL.
UM, WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THE DIRECT LANE, UM, TO GO EASTBOUND ON 70, BECAUSE PERSONALLY I SEE THAT THERE'S MORE NEED TO GET PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.
AND IF THAT'S WORKING WITH ODAT TO ADDRESS THE DECKING ON THAT BRIDGE, THERE TO TAKE OUT THAT MEDIAN.
AND I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR AN EXTRA LANE TO GO NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND.
UM, I THINK IN MY OPINION, THAT'S MORE NEEDED THAN A DIRECT LANE TO GET ONTO 70 BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU AND I LIVE FOUR STREETS AWAY.
SO I TRAVEL THAT ROAD EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN A BACKUP TO GO EASTBOUND ON 70 FROM TROY PIKE.
SO WHAT WAS THE CALL FOR THAT WAS THAT IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS THE OTHER CALL.
WAS THAT SOMETHING WE WERE WORKING WITH, UH, WITH BROAD REACH, THE NEED IS THE CONGESTION ON OLD TROY PIKE ITSELF THAT BOTTLENECKS, UM, AROUND MERRILY WAY, THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THAT SPREADING IT OUT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE NORTH.
UM, THERE IS TRAFFIC THAT ONCE IT DOES GET UP THERE, YOU CAN JUST PULL OVER.
THERE IS A SIDE LANE, THIS SPREADS THAT OUT, GETS THOSE PEOPLE OUT FROM THOSE TWO STRAIGHT TRAVEL LANES
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QUICKER AND FREES UP THAT TO ALLOW MORE CAPACITY, TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER THE HIGHWAY.BECAUSE WHAT I FEAR MY CONCERN IS, IS THE SAME THING.
IF YOU GET OFF OF 70 AND GO SOUTHBOUND ON TROY IS, OH, WOW, I'M IN THIS LANE.
OH, WAIT, IT ENDS RIGHT AT, UH, WAYNE TOWN.
UM, I'M AFRAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.
IF WE HAVE THAT DEDICATED, YOU'RE RUNNING THREE LANES NORTHBOUND ON TROY.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE WE KNOW EVERYBODY REACHED TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND CONTROL DEVICES.
UM, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT AND OH, I NEED TO GET OVER SO I CAN GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
NOW WE BOTTLENECK THE WHOLE SYSTEM NOW LONG, LONG TERM PLAN, WIDEN THE OVERPASS.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I KNOW THE DECKING ON THE ODAT BRIDGE.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE MEASUREMENTS.
WE DO HAVE A CONCRETE MEDIAN THAT IS BUILT, THAT IS BUILT IN THERE.
NOW, IF THAT WAS TAKEN OUT WITH THAT, UH, PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL LANES, UM, TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT STRAIGHT THROUGH IT.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK A LOT CLOSER AT IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE, UH, THE SIDEWALKS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO, TO LOOK AT, BUT, UH, AS I MENTIONED, LONG-TERM PLANS IS, WOULD BE YES TO WIDEN THAT OVERPASS, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION BEYOND TURN LANES ONTO, UH, THE HIGHWAY ITSELF.
UM, BUT THIS, UM, CALL IT THE SHORT-TERM PLAN DOES REDUCE CONGESTION ON OLD TROY PIKE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GO NORTHBOUND, UH, BECAUSE WE SEE MORE OF CONGESTION HEADING NORTHBOUND THAN WE DO GOING SOUTHBOUND.
UH, SO THAT IS THE, THE MORE NEAR TERM, UM, ISSUE TO ADDRESS MR. CHAIR.
I'VE GOT TWO MORE TOPICS HERE.
UH, UM, THE, THE SECOND TO LAST TOPIC IS, UM, IS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE AT THE PROPOSED THERE AT BURGER KING? UM, UH, I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF THAT.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, UH, UP AND DOWN THERE IS IN MY OPINION, MORE BOTTLENECK.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY WOULD DO SUCH A FINE JOB OF READING TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND RED AND YELLOW LIGHTS.
UM, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THAT ISSUE THERE.
UM, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE PEAK TIME YOU'RE COMING THROUGH, UH, TAYLORSVILLE AND TROY PIKE.
UM, EVERYBODY, I THINK TRIES TO AVOID THAT AREA, BUT IT'S, AND AGAIN, IT'S ONLY DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES, I MEAN, AGAIN, GO TO DC LOS ANGELES AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SHOW YOU TRAFFIC ALL DAY LONG.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK GETTING PEOPLE THROUGH THERE FASTER, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT, IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T DO THAT.
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO SELL ME ON THAT.
I NEED, I NEED TO, I NEED TO SEE HOW PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONTROL IN THERE IS GOING TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH THERE FASTER THAT CONCEPT BUSINESS WORKED FOR WITH ME.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, WHICH I DON'T THINK HAS REALLY BEEN DISCUSSED OR THOUGHT ABOUT IS COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN A PAIN OF MINE FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW BECAUSE RAISING CANE'S PUT IN A VERY NICE PROPERTY, VERY NICE SIDEWALK.
AND WHAT DO I SEE ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS, AN 18 WHEELER GOING UP THE SIDEWALK.
UM, THERE IS NO LEGIT AREA, UM, AND WAY FOR AN 18 WHEELER TO SAFELY PROVIDE DELIVERIES TO WAYNE TOWN PLAZA.
AND IN MY FEAR, THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE WITHOUT BOTTLENECKING, I, AGAIN, WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT, OUR, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET OUR COMMERCIAL TRUCKS IN FOR DELIVERIES, UH, SAFELY WITH THAT BOTTLENECK IN THE AREA? IS THERE GOING TO BE A DIRECT, UM, YOU KNOW, DETAILED AREA FOR THEM TO TURN IN AND TURN OUT OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO RELATE THAT TO THE BUSINESSES AND OUR COMMERCIAL TRUCK, TRAFFIC, UH, FRIENDS, UH, TO DO THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY KNOWS I'M PRO COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UM, I, I TRULY BELIEVE STILL STANDING HERE TODAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MUNICIPAL PARKING AREA FOR OUR COMMERCIAL TRUCK VEHICLES AND THOSE WHO WORK WITH TRAILERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE GATEWAY TO OUR CITY.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN HERE, THEY DO NOW.
UM, SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK INTO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S A FORETHOUGHT IN OUR MINDS.
I'LL HAVE A, UH, WHEN THIS COMES TO ME, I'M SURE HERE IN A FEW WEEKS, SO THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.
SO SORT OF GIVE SOME INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, REGARDING SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS, UH, THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS EXACTLY, UH, WHERE TRUMP, TRUMP TRAFFIC WOULD GO, UM, TO BE PROPERLY, UH, UH, THE WIDTH AND BE ABLE TO USE THE SIGNAL ITSELF TO TIME IT CORRECTLY, UM, FOR THAT ACCESS.
SO IT'S NOT BLOCKING INTERSECTIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND, UH, SOME OF THE WIDER, UH, DRIVES THAT GO THROUGH TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT, UH, POINT, UH, FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ITSELF.
UH, WHY DO WE NEED ONE THERE? UM, IT, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT FAST, TH TH
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THE IDEA ABOUT HOW YOU DESIGN ROADS AND ABOUT THE FLOW IS NOT JUST HOW FAST YOU GET PEOPLE, PLACES, WHICH IS A LARGE PART, BUT ALSO HOW SAFE YOU GET PEOPLE PLACES.SO, UH, WITH THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD, HAVING SOMEBODY TRYING TO TURN LEFT OUT OF A FACILITY ACROSS THREE LANES, UM, IS A LOT HARDER THAN TWO LANES AND ADD A SIGNAL IS THE PROPER PLACE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, SEND THOSE MOVEMENTS.
AND WITH THE TIMING, YOU CAN GET PEOPLE MOVING, UM, IN, IN A MORE SMOOTH MANNER THROUGH, UM, W WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SAID IS IF I GOT A STOP, WATCH OUT, THERE'S CERTAIN MOVEMENTS, WHETHER YOU GO CERTAIN PLACES THAT MAY TAKE LONGER, BUT IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE STILL MOVING.
AND YOU, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GET THERE QUICKER, EVEN THOUGH THE ACTUAL TIME MAY BE A COUPLE SECONDS OFF.
SO IT'S, THE TIMING IS CRITICAL OF THOSE SIGNALS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE PROPER PLACE FOR THAT TO ALLOW FOR, UH, BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET TO SUCCEED, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED ABOUT HOW WE GET, UH, EVEN THE OTHER SIDE TO A PROSPER, UM, I BELIEVE ACCESS AND COMING OUT ON A TRAFFIC LIGHT, HAVING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WILL ONLY IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION BY BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM OUR SIX RESIDENTS AND B3 COMMERCIAL TO PLAN MIXED USE AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND OLD TROY PIKE, INCLUDING PARCELS PIECE 70 ZERO FOUR ZERO ZERO FIVE ZERO ZERO FOUR THREE AND P 70 ZERO FOUR ZERO ZERO FIVE ZERO ZERO ONE FIVE OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, OHIO RECORDERS OFFICE ZONING CASE 21 DASH 16 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED MAY 6TH, 2021.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS, IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY SECOND, BY SECOND BY MISS FARGO, SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MR. JEFFREY.
UH, THE NEXT STEP, THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
THERE'LL BE A WORK SESSION, UM, WITH SOME OTHER ITEMS FROM TONIGHT AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'LL GET THOSE NOTICES OUT AND GET THAT SCHEDULED OUT TO EVERYBODY, UM, FOR THE PROPER TIME.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, WHICH WE HAVE NONE FOLLOWING OUT AS APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 27TH, 2021 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED HEARING NO OBJECTIONS.
THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
I DO NOT HAVE A, AN AGENDA IN FRONT OF ME WITH THAT LIST.
UM, THERE'S WHAT TWO ITEMS AT THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH, THE MAJOR CHANGE FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF HARDY'S ON BRANT PIKE.
UH, THERE'S AN OLD GAS STATION AND OLD SMOKE SHOP, I THINK.
UM, SO, UH, ANOTHER TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE IS LOOKING TO, UH, UTILIZE THAT SPOT AND THEN A MINOR CHANGE FOR CALORIE OR FARMS. UM, SIMILAR CASE AS WE'VE HAD BEFORE WITH SOME OF THESE LOTS ABOUT HOUSES ARE CONFIGURED WITH THE LARGE REAR YARDS ABOUT, UH, CNN.
UH, THE SPECIFIC HOUSE CAN FIT ON THE LOT.
SO YES, UPCOMING MEETINGS MAY 25TH, JUNE 15TH.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING AND HANGING TOUGH.