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THIS IS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION HYBRID.
IN-PERSON REMOTE MEETING TODAY IS MAY 3RD, 2021.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER A MR. ROGERS V.MR. SHAW IS BAKER HERE, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
MR. LIONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE.
MR. WEBB HERE, MAYOR GORE HERE AND MRS. BURGESS HAD SENT ME A MESSAGE.
LET ME KNOW THAT SHE WOULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
DON'T REMEMBER CHOOSE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE HAVE ONE SET OF MINUTES, WHICH IS OUR NUMBER TWO A AND THAT'S FROM THE APRIL 20TH, 2021.
MEETING THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED THROUGH ANY QUESTIONS.
CONCERNS, CHANGES, SPEAK NOW FOREVER.
SEEING NONE OF THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE AGENDA ITEM.A THREE IS OUR WORK SESSION, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
WE'LL START WITH ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.
I HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS TONIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, IT'S A CONTINUATION OF A PROJECT THAT WE DID LAST YEAR AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
UM, THE, IF YOU WERE RECALL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, PRIOR TO COVID, WE STARTED A PROJECT ABOUT, UH, DOING THE BAFFLES ON THE ROOFING.
UH, WE PURCHASED THE FABRIC FOR THAT AND STORED IT, UM, UNTIL WE WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMAINDER IN INSTALLATION OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S SOME SAFETY FEATURES WITH THE, UH, MAGNETOMETERS, UM, THAT YOU WALK THROUGH WHEN YOU, UH, ENTER INTO THE FACILITY.
SO BASICALLY THE METAL DETECTORS THAT, UH, ALL THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES ARE NOW MOVING TO.
SO THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, WE INSTALLED THESE, UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY.
UM, GUYS WE'VE, LIKE I SAID, AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS TOPIC, A, UH, A RESOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE, UH, AT THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WE ARE PROJECTING TO HAVE CONCERTS LATER THIS SUMMER, WE STILL ARE WAITING ON THE GOVERNOR TO, UH, KIND OF RELEASE MORE THAN 30% ON A VENUE, BUT WE, UH, FEEL THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS WE GET SORT OF LATER IN THE SUMMER.
SO STILL LOOKING AT THAT, UH, JULY TIMEFRAME OF TRYING TO HAVE CONCERTS AND GET AS MANY AS WE CAN END BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO, UH, THERE'S THAT, TO, THAT WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND THEN ALSO JUST A COUPLE UPDATES, A REMINDER THAT OUR FIRST CONCERT AT THE EICHELBERGER, UM, IS, UH, COMING UP THIS FRIDAY.
UH, SO JOSH IS HERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO HIM FOR GETTING ALL OF THAT SET UP.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAD THE FARMER'S MARKETS ON SATURDAY, AND HE SAID THAT THERE WERE OVER SIX GUESTS THAT WENT THROUGH THERE.
UH, SO A GREAT OPENING DAY FOR THEM FARMER'S MARKET.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR, UH, MR. RAKOWSKI ON ANYTHING THAT WAS ON THE, UH, REPORT.
AND THEN WE'LL WE WANT, I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS REGARDING THE TWO ITEMS YOU MENTIONED, MR. WEBB, THANK YOU.
UH, SCOTT MIGHT BE ANSWERED BEST BY JOSH AND IT APPEARED THAT THE FARMER'S MARKET HAS EXPANDED QUITE A BIT.
JOSH, WAS THERE A NUMBER OR A PERCENTAGE WE DID LAST SEASON? YEAH, WE HAD LAST SEASON WITH 20 VENDORS, A MIXTURE OF FULL SEASON AND DAILY VENDORS.
WE STARTED THIS SEASON WITH 27 FULL SEASON VENDORS AND EIGHT OR NINE, UM, DAILY VENDORS.
SO YEAH, WE, WE ABOUT DOUBLED OUR, AT LEAST OUR SEASON FULL SEASON VENDORS HAVE DOUBLED THIS YEAR.
MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THE BAFFLES IN THE, UH, THE MAGNETOMETERS ON THE, UH, TWO OF THEM TO THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE THAT ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING AS WELL.
[ 2022 BWC Group Experience Rating Program]
ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE 2022, UH, BWC GROUP EXPERIENCE RATING PROGRAM.HOW ARE YOU GETTING, ARE YOU GOOD TO SEE YOU? THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS OUR ANNUAL LEGISLATION FOR WORKERS' COMPENSATION.
UM, WE, I COME TO YOU EVERY YEAR.
UH, WE ARE INVITED BACK TO THE OSI OHIO ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC TREASURERS FOR GROUP EXPERIENCE RATING THAT GIVES US A DISCOUNT UPFRONT.
SO THIS YEAR OUR GROUP DISCOUNT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MORE THAN LAST YEAR.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO YOU MONDAY NIGHT FOR APPROVAL.
THIS LEGISLATION ALLOWS US NOT ONLY TO ENTER INTO THE HIGH ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC TREASURES, BUT WE ALSO USE COMP MANAGEMENT
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TO HELP US CONTROL OUR RISK.THEY WATCH OVER OUR CLAIMS MONITOR TO THEM FOR US AND HELP US WITH THAT AS FAR AS CONTACTING THE INJURED EMPLOYEE AND THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATED PREMIUM FOR NEXT YEAR AS $185,706.
AND OUR COST FOR OUR TPA, WHICH IS COMING IN AS A THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR IS $7,395.
SO I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT TO YOU MONDAY NIGHT FOR APPROVAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LESLIE, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.
[ Fishburg Road Water Service Connection Assessment Authorization]
THREE C THE FISHBERG ROAD, WATER SERVICE CONNECTION ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION PAVING, SIR.UM, YEAH, THIS LEGISLATION IS JUST A NUMBER ORDINANCE THAT TO ESTABLISH AN ASSESSMENT WITH A MONTGOMERY COUNTY FOR A PROPERTY AT 45 17 PER GROWED, WHICH IS JUST WEST OF ERIN LANE.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNER HAS ASKED TO MAKE A CONNECTION TO THE CITY'S WATER MAIN IN FRONT OF THEIR LOT.
UH, THE WATER MAIN THERE WAS ESTABLISHED WAS INSTALLED IN 2001 AND A CONNECTION CHARGE OF $9,075 AND 90 CENTS WAS ESTABLISHED AT THAT TIME BASED ON THE LOT FRONTAGE AND THE LOT AREA, UH, THE FEE ESTABLISHED STILL PERTAINS TODAY.
SO THE, THIS ASSESSMENT WOULD PLAY PEOPLE REPLACED ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS AGREED TO ALL THE FEES.
SO WE WERE ASKING TONIGHT, THIS COULD BE PASSED ON MONDAY.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ASKED WHETHER IT COULD BE PASSED IN ONE READING.
UM, THEY HAVE RITTER PLUMBING ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR HOPEFULLY RIGHT AFTER NEXT WEEK'S MEETING TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
ANY QUESTIONS AND OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ONTO MONDAY.
THIS IS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION ALSO IN ADDITION TO WAITING A SECOND.
SO EVERYONE CLEAR EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.
WE HAVE THE SECOND READING FOR THIS HOMEOWNER STILL.
[ City Skate/BMX Park - Monita Field]
NEXT UP.IS I IN 3D, WHICH IS THE CITY SKATE BMX PARK AT MANITA FIELD.
UH, YOU GUYS ALL HAVE YOUR PACKET, I BELIEVE CORRECT.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE IS SOME, UH, WE WENT THROUGH SOME DESIGNS WITH A COMPANY AMERICAN, UH, RAMP AND, UH, CAME BACK WITH THIS DESIGN NUMBER FOUR THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN.
UM, SO APPROXIMATELY FOR THAT DESIGN ITSELF, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 13, ALMOST 1400 SQUARE FOOT CONCRETE PAD AND THE RAMPS, UM, THE BMX TRACK, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIRT, I GUESS, THAT WAS INITIALLY DISCUSSED.
AND THIS, THE ARMORED CRUSHED ROCK GIVES YOU, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, HAVE DAILY OR WEEKLY MAINTENANCE ON THE, THE, UH, TRACK ITSELF.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CRUSHED GRAVEL.
THEY MIX IT AND THEY PAINT A COATING OVER IT THAT JUST KIND OF SEALS IT ALL UP.
I SAID, IT'S ABOUT ONCE A YEAR MAINTENANCE.
THEY CAN COME OUT AND DO IT, BUT A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAIL BUILDERS AND STUFF IN THE AREA COULD PROBABLY DO IT FOR US AS WELL.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT IN THE ROAD COMING INTO MONITA ARE ALL IN A PRETTY DIRE NEED OF BEING REDONE.
WE GOT PRICING IN THERE FOR THAT, THE BASEBALL FIELDS, UH, THE TWO THAT ARE THERE, THEY ARE, ONE OF THEM IS BEING USED THIS YEAR.
UM, WE HAD A GROUP REQUEST THE OTHER ONE, BUT IT WAS JUST IN TOO BAD OF SHAPE FOR THEM TO COME IN AND USE.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED REDONE ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE AT THE PROPERTY, US, SOME MISCELLANEOUS OUT THERE, PICNIC TABLES, SHADE STRUCTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT TO JUST KIND OF TIE THE AREAS TOGETHER, A GRAND TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING ON THAT ROUGHLY IS ABOUT 740,000.
UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, VERY ROUGH ESTIMATES, THE PRICING AND STUFF FOR THE RAMPS THEMSELVES AND FOR THE, UH, THE BMX TRACK ARE FROM, UH, ONE OF THE, THE, THE BIDDERS, THERE WERE NOT BIDDER BUILDERS FOR, UM, AMERICAN RAMP BUILDERS.
SO, SO JOSH, I HAD, SO THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT HAD REACHED OUT WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO WERE KIND OF REALLY INTO SKATEBOARDING AND BMX SAYING WE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO, UM, MAYBE MID-LEVEL PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, AS SOMEONE REACHED OUT TO ME THAT I FORWARDED SCOTT, WHO'S LIKE AN X GAMES MEDALIST, UH, WHO WANTED TO GET INVOLVED IN KIND OF SOME OF THE PLANNING GIVE SOME FEEDBACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO COULD YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE TALKED TO AND KIND OF INFORMATION AND KIND OF PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER? SO, UM, I DON'T PEOPLE TO THINK WE JUST SAID, OH, THAT LOOKS GOOD.
YEAH, NO, I'VE, UH, ONE GENTLEMEN THAT WAS SENT OVER TO ME, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH, UM, I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO LEAVE MESSAGES AND MAILBOX IS FULL, BUT I DID SPEAK TO A GENTLEMAN NAMED SHANE PATTERSON.
UH, HE'S A LOCAL SKATE PRO WORKS FOR THE CAMP, A COMPANY, DAYTON RAMP CLUB.
THEY DO A LOT OF INDOOR RAMP BUILDS AND STUFF, AND HE IS A, A PROFESSIONAL SKATER AS WELL.
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UM, AND A LOT OF IT THAT HE SAID, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE BIG DESIGNS, EVEN THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, HE SAID ARE NICE, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT, YOU GOT A LOT OF REPEATS ON THERE.SO YOU, SOME OF THIS COULD BE SCALED DOWN, BUT YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE A DECENT SIZED PAD.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BICYCLES.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SKATEBOARDERS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SCOOTERS.
ANYTHING WITH WHEELS IS PRETTY MUCH GOING TO SHOW UP TO USE THESE.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT, UM, SCOTT AND I TALKED TO WAS, UM, HIGHLY SUGGESTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A MINI HALF-PIPE.
I REACHED BACK OUT TO AMERICAN RAMP BUILDERS.
DIDN'T GET A WORD BACK, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE ON THE DESIGN THERE THAT THE ONE HALF PIPE THAT'S ON THERE IS, IS THAT MANY HALF PIPE.
I THINK IT'S THAT THREE TO FIVE FOOT RANGE, UM, THAT THEY CONSIDER MINIATURE.
SO THAT KIND OF GIVES US THAT FEATURE THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAD EXPRESSED THAT WE NEEDED AS WELL.
I WAS SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT HAD MESSAGED SAYING, HEY, LOOK, I, YOU KNOW, I'M OLDER, BUT MAN, I'D LOVE TO GET BACK ON A SKATEBOARD.
SO CAN WE HAVE SOME STUFF FOR SOME BEGINNERS OR SOME OLD TIMER? AND WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, DIGGING, RE DIGGING THE OLD POOL AND JUST PUTTING A BOWL IN, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE SINCE WE ALREADY FILLED IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSH AND MISS MISRATA? YEAH, I'M CURIOUS.
WHERE ARE WE AT ON THE DIAL PARK PROJECT WITH THE, UH, THE MULTI-USE TRACKS AS WELL? OH, WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT FROM, UH, THE PROMOTING AND OUR, THE CLEAN OHIO TRAIL FUND.
SO IN NATURE WORKS IS COMING UP IN JULY.
SO I'M TAKING THE TRAILS FOR THAT AND THE SECOND PHASE AND GOING TO KIND OF PUT THEM TOGETHER FOR THE NATURE WORKS GRANT IN JULY.
AND HOW WERE WE LOOKING TO FUND THIS ONE? IS THIS GOING TO BE THROUGH GRANT FUNDING AS WELL? UH, WELL, TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE OTHER ONES SINCE 2019, IT RECEIVED A LOT OF SUPPORT, UM, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, EVEN WHEN, AS FAR AS PUTTING IT ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST NEAR THE TOP.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
UH, AND, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PARK AREA IN WARD, ONE FOR KIDS TO GET TO WITHOUT CROSSING OVER TROY, TO GET TO A PARK.
I KNOW THE ONLY PARK REALLY PLAYED PLAY PARK AND MORE ONE IS MIAMI VILLA, AND THAT'S NOT NARROWLY CLOSE TO LIKE ALL THE RESONANCE OF THE VIEWS AND ALL THOSE AREAS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE IDEA OF ADDING ADDITIONAL FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT I WOULD PREFER THAT WE RUN ALL THIS THROUGH A PARKS AND REC, LIKE WE'VE DONE PAST PROJECTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER PROJECT BEFORE WE JUMP INTO A SECOND ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF PLANNED IT OUT AND, AND THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A LOT MORE EXPENSE ON IT THAN THE FIRST ONE DID AS WELL.
SO, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, WE KINDA SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND FINISH ONE PROJECT BEFORE WE DIVE INTO ANOTHER ONE.
WELL, I THINK IT WAS LAST OCTOBER THAT COUNCIL VOTED EIGHT TO ZERO, UM, TOLERIZE THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
SO THIS HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS SINCE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THAT RESOLUTION FOR MONITA.
WELL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE ISLAND SINCE 2019.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I MEAN, AND THAT, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BYPASSING A LOT OF OUR, OUR PRIMARY PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS, LIKE OUR PARKS AND REC BOARD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED ANY PRESENTATION ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE OR HAD A CHANCE TO VIEW IT, REVIEW IT, UH, PROVIDE SUGGESTIONS, PLACE IT ON A PRIORITY LIST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, A WARD ONE IS CERTAINLY A NEED AND I PUT A LOT OF WORK IN, IN 2016 TO GET THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE CITY.
SO WE COULD HAVE A NICE PARK FOR KIDS.
AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE AT THIS AT THIS TIME.
AND WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS BMX THING, UH, OUT IN WARD, ONE FOR, UM, FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON THAT BEFORE WE JUMP OFF INTO SOMETHING.
I REMEMBER WE HAD A YOUNG MAN COME HERE AND DISCUSS THE, THE SKATE PARK IDEA, AND EVERYBODY WAS EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND EVERYONE LOOKED AT THAT YOUNG MAN AND SAID, THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND THEN, UM, THAT WAS LAST SUMMER MAYBE, OR EARLIER, THAT WAS BEFORE WE EVEN WENT INTO BLUFFER BEFORE COVID.
AND THEN IT WAS THE FOLLOWING OCTOBER THAT WAS BACK ON THE AGENDA AS A RESOLUTION AND COUNCIL VOTED EIGHT TO ZERO TO SUPPORT IT AND TO SEND IT TO THE AUTHORIZED STATE MANAGER, TO LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, PUTTING OUT TO BIT AND GO US.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS AT THAT POINT.
WELL, I, I JUST LOVE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE STAND ARE WE, YOU KNOW, FUNDING CERTAIN PARK PROJECTS WITH ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MONIES THAT WE CAN, WE CAN BEG, BORROW AND STEAL, AND THE OTHER ONES WE'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE WE THE, IS THE ONLY WAY THE ONE IN, UH, ON DIAL GOING TO BE DONE IS IF WE GET A GRANT FOR IT OR, UH, I MEAN, I, I KNOW I'VE MISSED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BEING OUT OF TOWN IN DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT I HAVEN'T, I DON'T RECALL AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS THERE'S BEEN A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE DIAL ROAD, BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND DISCUSSED IT BACK HERE FROM PARKS.
I DON'T, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF THAT HAPPENED AND
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THEN WHAT WERE CALLED, I APOLOGIZE.MAYBE I WAS OUT AT THAT TIME, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT SPECIFIC PARK PROJECT BEING BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL FROM THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.
UM, AND NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, JOSH HAS KIND OF THE HEAD AND THE MANAGER OF PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH AND THROUGH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD, ONCE COUNCIL GAVE THE AUTHORIZATION LAST OCTOBER TO MOVE FORWARD TO THIS, I ASSUMED THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE TAKING PLACE OR THE DESIGN PROCESS WAS ALL WAS ON PART OF THAT.
I MEAN, THIS IS BACK ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE THE WORK THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THEM TO DO IN OCTOBER.
AND AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IT FOR YEARS.
WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF DISCUSSIONS.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WE PLAN ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE OTHER, OTHER PROJECT THAT WAS MUCH OLDER IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE, UM, YEAH.
UM, THERE HAS, WELL, I MEAN, I'M CONFUSED CAUSE THERE'S, THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE TIME.
UH, THERE HASN'T ANY EMAILS OR ANYTHING SENT TO ME FROM ANYBODY ON COUNCIL REGARDING THE DOWEL ROAD PARK, ASKING FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY FROM THERE.
HASN'T BEEN A PARKS AND REC DISCUSSION BACK TO COUNCIL ABOUT IT, ASKING TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK IN SOME APPLICATION FOR GRANTS, BUT AS FAR AS GETTING IT BACK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, NOBODY HAS SENT ME ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
MA'AM UM, I WOULD DIRECT QUESTION TO JOSH.
SO WHERE ARE WE OUT ON DIAL WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THERE MORE, WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE GRANT AND WHEN IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH AS IT STALLED OR DO YOU AWESOME.
UM, JUST, UH, REAL QUICK AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING OR WORK SESSION, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE I DID INFORM COUNCIL THAT WE DIDN'T GET THAT GRANT AND THAT OUR NEXT STEPS WERE TO, UH, THE GRANT THAT'S.
UH, JOSH JUST MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO GET THAT FUNDING THROUGH THAT GRANT, BUT THE PROJECT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT SOME OF THOSE USER GROUPS WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR OWN.
SO THERE, THERE WAS NEVER A SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO STOP THE PROJECT.
UM, IT WAS JUST, THERE'S ANOTHER FUNDING CYCLE OUT THERE FOR THAT TYPE OF A FACILITY IN THE MOUNTAIN BIKE, THE FACILITY THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO GET IN ANOTHER, ANOTHER STALL, I THINK TOO IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, REPORT ON WHY WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT FUNDING, A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ON THE REGIONAL PLAN.
UH, NONE OF THE, NONE OF ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA IS ON THE REGIONAL PLAN, BUT MCRPC IS GETTING READY TO REDO THAT PLAN AND TOLD ME TO MAKE SURE WE SUBMIT ALL OF OUR PLANS FOR THAT AREA, UM, AND GET IT TO THEM.
AND THEN THAT SHOULD HELP WITH ANY POINTS WE MISSED ON FUTURE GRANTS AS WELL.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I SUPPORT THAT AS SOON AS WE BRING THIS BACK UP TO COUNSELOR, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA FOR US TO DISCUSS AND DETERMINE FUNDING AND TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF THAT PLAN.
I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH, WITH, WITH BUILDING OUR PARK SYSTEM AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I'M SURE WE HAVE JUST A FAULT AGAIN, BACK TUESDAY, UH, BMX SKATE PARK, JOSHUA, I'M LOOKING AT THAT YOU'VE GOT 25,000 IN THERE TO REPAIR THE EXISTING BALD DIAMONDS.
WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE THOSE BALL DUTTONS TO WHAT LEVEL WOULD THEY BE SUITABLE FOR ANYONE TO RENT IS YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE RENTABLE AND THEY ARE NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A LEAGUE USING THEM.
UH, THE QUOTE I GOT WAS FROM, UM, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE COMPANY NOW, BUT THEY'RE ONE OF THE ONLY COMPANIES IN THE AREA WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET TO ANSWER THE PHONE, TO COME OUT AND DO FIELD WORK.
CAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CLOUD PARK THAT NEEDED AS WELL.
SO THEY WOULD COME IN AND THEY WOULD CUT THE EDGES ALL STRAIGHT AGAIN.
THEY WOULD SOLVE THE BASELINES PHONE FIRST AND THIRD, THEY WOULD COME IN AND THEY'D GET THE FIELDS, ALL CONDITIONED, GET EVERYTHING RAISED UP.
SO WATER DRAINS OFF, FIX THE MOUNDS, GET NEW BASE, UH, MOUNT SET IN THE DIRT.
AND THAT WOULD JUST BE THEM COMING IN AND JUST COMPLETELY REDOING, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING, BUT THE OUTFIELD ON THOSE FIELDS.
NO MATTER IF YOU ALL HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, THAT'S REGARDING THE, UM, CALL IT RAMPS, I GUESS IT'S EQUIPMENT AT THE PARK.
IS THAT PERMANENTLY MOUNTED ON THE CONCRETE SLAB OR IS IT IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT FORMED UNDER THE CONCRETE SLAB OR ARE THERE MOUNTS THAT ATTACH IT TO, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DID THE RAMPS AND STUFF THEY'RE NOT MOVABLE? ARE THEY THEY'RE BOLTED DOWN? YEAH.
SO WITH THIS COMPANY, ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE SLAB DONE BEFORE THEY CAME ON SITE.
UM, THEY WOULD BUILD THE RAMPS PER WHAT WE ORDERED AND PART OF THE SIZE OF, OF SLAB THAT THEY GAVE US.
AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE SLAB READY, THEY'D COME IN AND THEY WOULD BOLT EVERYTHING DOWN, BUILD IT ONSITE AND BOLT IT.
AND THEN ONE, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION, SORRY TO BUG YOU SO MUCH, BUT, UM, ON THAT BMX TRACK, BUT THE ARMORED CRUSHED ROCK,
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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, HAS A FAST TIMELINE, I WOULD ASSUME ON IT IS JUST GRADING.AND THEN THEY COME IN AND DO THIS TYPE OF GRAVEL PAVING.
I DIDN'T GET A TURNAROUND ON THIS ONE FROM HIM WHEN I ASKED, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LARGER SKATE PARK DESIGN 75 DAYS, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY GIVE ME AN ANSWER ON THAT.
UM, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE DIRT BILL, YOU KNOW, IN A MATTER OF DAYS.
SO I GUESS I CAN REACH BACK OUT TO THEM AND ASK THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ARMOR CODING, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE DIRT'S DONE, BUT THEY WOULD DO EVERYTHING THERE FROM STRIPPING GRASS AND STARTING FRESH.
SO THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE BY THEM.
WOULD IT BE THE SAME COMPANY THAT WILL BE DOING THE INSTALLATION OF THE PAD? UH, NO.
THAT WHOEVER THE, THE RAMP COMPANY ARE THAT WE GET TO DO IT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD HAVE GO OUT FOR BID, BUT HOPEFULLY WHOEVER DOES THE RAMPS, WE CAN GET THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL.
THE CONCRETE PAD WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
UM, JOSH, THE COMPACT ARM OR GRAVEL ARMORED BMX TRACK.
UM, THE COST FOR 5,000 SQUARE FEET IS $90,000 TO BUILD THAT.
AND THEN 80 TO 90,000, UM, ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE, IS THAT ALSO CORRECT? NO, THAT 80 TO 90 IS THE COST TO BUILD THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S ONCE A YEAR MAINTENANCE IF WE GO WITH THE ARMORED CRUSHED, UM, THE, YEAH, THE ARMORED CRUSHED BEAM EXTRACT, BUT THEY DID NOT SAY WHAT THE COST OF THAT MAINTENANCE WAS BECAUSE THEY SAID IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE DONE BY A LOCAL TRAIL BUILDER IF WE NEED IT.
SO THE 80, $90, 90,000 ONCE A YEAR MAINTENANCE IS, IS NOT THE SAME NUMBER IT'S TO BUILD IT.
AND THEN THERE'S A MAINTENANCE THAT'S RECOMMENDED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PRICE IS AT THIS TIME.
AND, UH, JOSH HAD, UH, DID YOU LOOK IN TOO INSTEAD OF CRUSHED GRAVEL, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF CONCRETE, UH, WELL, FOR THOSE PUMP TRACKS, YOU WOULDN'T USE CONCRETE, YOU WOULD USE ASPHALT.
UM, AND AT THE DIAL PARK PROJECT, WE HAD ONE, UM, PRICED OUT AND IF YOU GO COMPLETE ASPHALT, UH, FOR THAT BMX TRACK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE $280,000 RANGE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE A MAINTENANCE, UH, FOR THAT ANNUALLY EVERY TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE ASPHALT ALWAYS NEEDS REPAIRS.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY YOU'RE DEFINITELY RULING OUT A CONCRETE, UH, TRACK, UH, NOT A CONCRETE TRACK.
JUST THE PAD FOR THEIR SKATE RAMPS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. SHAW? UH, SCOTT, WHEN IS THE SOONEST TIME THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN SEE AN RFP, UM, UH, TO GO OUT FOR, UH, THE ENTIRE WORK LAID OUT HERE FROM ANITA AND DIAL? YEAH.
THAT THE PLAN IS, UH, IF IT'S OKAY TO HAVE SOMETHING ON MONDAY'S AGENDA FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO MOVE FORWARD.
I MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN RFP REQUEST, UH, ON MONDAY'S AGENDA FOR MONITA AND DIAL, UH, TO GIVE AUTHORIZATION TO THE CITY MANAGERS TO START THAT PROCESS AND HAVE BIDS, UH, PROVIDED BACK TO THIS COUNCIL, UH, NO LATER THAN 30 DAYS.
SO WE CAN GET MOVING ON BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, ANY OBJECTIONS MS. BAKER, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET A GRANT IN JULY.
I NEED TO SPEND MONEY IF WE COULD GET A GRANT, IS MY ONLY CONCERN.
I HAVE IT PRINTED OUT AND HAVE STARTED FILLING IT OUT FOR DIAL PARK.
UM, BUT YEAH, EVEN IF IT'S AUTHORIZED, I MEAN, WE CAN STILL APPLY FOR AND USE THE GRANT MONEY.
I THINK THE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOONER THE BETTER, IF WE WANT TO GET KIDS UTILIZING THESE PARKS AND UTILIZING THE TRACKS AND SKATEBOARDS THIS SUMMER, BEFORE THEY GO BACK TO SCHOOL, I THINK, UM, I THINK THE SOONER WE GET STARTED, THEN THE BETTER WE'RE GOING TO BE.
MS. BAKER, JUST GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT WITH THE GRANT THOUGH, WE CAN'T BREAK GROUND OR ANYTHING UNTIL THE GRANT DETERMINATIONS ARE GIVEN.
SO I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AUGUST IT, WELL, IF IT'S DUE IN JUNE, IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER WHEN THEY MAKE THOSE FINALIZATIONS AND COME BACK WITH ANSWERS ON THOSE.
SO WHICHEVER ROUTE WE DECIDE TO GO, IF WE GO FOR THE SKATE PARK OR GO FOR A DIAL PARK, WHICHEVER ONE WE DECIDE TO DO THE GRANT FOR IT'S PAUSED ESSENTIALLY UNTIL, UM, WE GET THE GRANT.
IF I KNOW WHAT THE, WE KNOW WHAT THE GRANT IS FOR, DOES COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH USING, TRYING TO APPLY FOR THE GRANTS AGAIN FOR DIAL? SO WE GET STARTED ON THE SKATE PARK AND THE BMX PARK, AND THEN IF WE DON'T ACQUIRE THE GRANT AGAIN, WE SOLVE THE BIT AND WE STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DOLL PROJECT AS WELL.
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DISCOUNTS HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? WELL, I KIND OF DO, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE PROJECT THAT'LL PROJECT, WHICH IS IN THE 400 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLAR RANGE, WE'VE GOT THIS PROJECT IN THE 700 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS RANGE.AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THE GRANTS FOR THE DIAL PROJECT, THAT CHEAPER PROJECT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ONE ON HOLD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS LONGER.
UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT GRANTS, UH, PUT THE GRANT ON THE, THE, THE LATER COMING BIGGER PROJECT, UH, WOULD, WOULD JUST MAKE MORE SENSE TO ME.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING THE OTHER ONE AND, AND DISCUSSING THAT AND TRYING TO GET IT GOING.
AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DENIED ONE GRANT.
WHAT IF WE GET DONE AT ANOTHER ONE? DOES THE PROJECT GET PUSHED BACK ANOTHER YEAR? OKAY.
IF WE HAVE THE BID, IF THAT GRANT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, IT WOULD STILL STILL GO THROUGH THAT PROJECT WITH CITY FUNDS.
MA'AM UM, WE'RE SAYING GRANT, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ATTACHED TO THE GRANT? UH, NATURE WORKS HAS 150,000 OR IT'S 75% OR 150,000 UP TO 150.
IS THAT THE ONLY GROUND WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE MORE THAT COME OUT LATER IN THE YEAR.
THERE'S A LWCF LAND WATER CONSERVATION FUND.
UM, CLEAN OHIO, UM, IS DUE AGAIN IN JUNE.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY APPLIED FOR AND FAILED.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SCORING'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR THAT, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT BACK IN FOR THAT ONE, BUT NATURE WORKS IS JUNE 1ST LWCF IS NOVEMBER.
AND THEN, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE NEXT YEAR.
UH, JOSH, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE'VE APPLIED FOR IT AND WE WERE TURNED DOWN, UH, THE APPLICATION PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF RFP FROM US.
I WOULD IMAGINE AS PART OF THE GRANT PROCESS, OR HOW DID WE APPLY FOR THE DIAL ROAD, UM, OR THE DOLL PARK PROJECT? I THINK SCOTT, WHEN WE DID THAT, I THINK IT WAS A, I MEAN, THE OKAY.
TO SPEND THE MONEY UPFRONT AND THEN WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE RFP OUT PRIOR TO APPLYING FOR THOSE GRANTS.
BUT, UM, W WITH THIS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DRILL OUT FOR THOSE BIDS AND GET ALL THE NUMBERS AND THEN MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS BACK.
UH, AMERICAN ASK ONE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO, UM, UH, MANITA, UM, THE TRACK WITH THE, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT ARMORED CRUSHED ROCK? UM, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S A BRIAN PROCESS OVER TOP OF THE CRUSHED GRAVEL.
DOES THAT MAKE THE SURFACE, UM, PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS? DOES IT, IS IT GOING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE AT THE SITE? DO WE KNOW YET IT'LL CREATE RUNOFF? I MEAN, WATER WILL JUST WILL FLOW RIGHT OFF OF THAT.
SO, AND THEN ONCE YOU ADD THE CONCRETE PAD, I MEAN, NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT AREA THAT WATER'S NOT ABSORBING INTO AS WELL.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT IS, IS DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'LL BE DESIGNED INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROPER DRAINAGE THAT GETS TO THE PROPER PLACE.
IT DOESN'T GO INTO, WE'LL SAY THE MIDDLE OF THE SKATE PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE TO DO PLAN AND GUYS WE KNOW ABOUT TRAINING, SO, OKAY.
THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION REGARDING THE MAYOR.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS COUNCIL INTERESTED IN MOVING BOTH THESE PROJECTS FORWARD REGARDLESS OF GRANT OPPORTUNITIES? IS THIS, ARE THESE PROJECTS THINGS WE THINK THAT, UM, THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE MR. SHAW.
UM, SCOTT, CAN WE GET CLIFF, UH, FURTHER CLARIFICATION FROM NATURE WORKS? UM, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR GRANT IS A AS NOT ONLY AS A CAPITAL, BUT ALSO A REHABILITATION, UM, A GRANT PROCESS.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IF WE AUTHORIZE THE RFP WHILE SUBMITTING FOR THE GRANT AND THEN START, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE DENIED FOR THE GRANT BECAUSE OF THE REHABILITATION, UM, VERBIAGE THAT'S IN THE NATURE WORKS GRANT FROM ODI AND NOR COULD WE GET CLARIFICATION PRIOR TO MONDAY? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, MAYOR PENDING, PENDING ON THAT ANSWER, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
UH, I WOULD BE PREPARED ON MONDAY WITH THE DISCUSSION PHASE OF THAT LEGISLATION FOR BOTH RFPS TO GO UP ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO THE ITEM THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING WAS THE SAFE SKATE PARK AND THE BMX PARK.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT, MOVING THAT FORWARD TO MONDAYS AGENDA.
AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF INFORMATION THAT SCOTT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO FIND OUT FROM MR. SHAW.
THE, DO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY IS THAT, UM, MR. KING BROUGHT TO US A PROPOSAL AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE GRANT
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APPLICATION, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE WAS NO, UH, RECOMMENDATION MOVE FORWARD ON THE GREEN APPLICATION GRANT APPLICATION WAS FOR THE DIAL ROAD PROJECT TONIGHT WAS, UH, THE, UH, DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SKATE PARK AND THE BMX PARK FOR THAT COST THAT'S, UH, THERE THE SEVEN 40 IT'S LISTED, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
THAT'S THE ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, UH, AND THIS IS NOT AN OBJECTION.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO DID WE GET THE GRANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? NO, WE DIDN'T APPLY FOR A GRANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO IN THE PACKET, UM, THIS WAS A DISCUSSION AND WE'RE LOOKING AT VOTING, UH, ON THIS ON MONDAY.
UH, WHERE'S THE FUNDING PLAN TO COME FROM MR. MCCALSKY.
UH, THE FUNDING IS FROM OUR, UM, EXISTING COFFERS.
AND WHAT WE'LL LOOK AT IS THE POTENTIAL OF IF IT NEEDS TO BE BONDED OUT, IF THE RATES ARE RIGHT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BUT THERE IS EXISTING MONEY THAT, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE A SUPPLEMENT TO THE BUDGET TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE'RE PR SO IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, SCOTT WE'RE APPROPRIATING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO PUT INTO THE PARKS AND REC FUND TO PAY FOR THIS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TAKEN CARE OF, AND, UM, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REQUEST.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS FORWARD TO MONDAY, THEN THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD MOVE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION MAYOR.
NO OBJECTIONS HERE, MR. OTTO, SORRY.
I WOULD JUST WANT FULL UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST YEAR WITH THIS.
UM, SO THE RECOMMENDATION THEN IS TO SEND JUST THE MANITA PARK PROJECT TO COUNCIL ON MONDAY FOR APPROVAL.
WELL, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS.
SO TONIGHT THERE WAS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT WAS FOR THE SKATE PARK IN BMX PARK.
AND THEN WHEN I ASKED FOR DISCUSSION, YOU BROUGHT UP THE DOLL ROAD PARK.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE CAN, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I'M JUST AFRAID IT'S GOING TO GET PUSHED TO THE BACK BURNER LIKE IT ALREADY.
I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH MOVING THAT FORWARD.
THAT'S WHY I KIND OF ASKED COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH DOING BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, EVEN ASSUMING WE GOT NO GRANT FUNDING FOR EITHER, AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS FROM ANYBODY MONDAY NIGHTS, AGENDA ITEM WILL BE YOU BRING COMBINED NOT COMBINED.
THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE ISSUE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE DIAL ROAD PARK IN REGARDS TO WANTING TO MOVE THAT ONTO, ONTO, ONTO AN AGENDA.
COULD I ASK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR OF OUR PARKS AND REC BOARD AS TO DISCUSSIONS ON, ON EITHER ONE OF THESE, HOW MANY DISCUSSIONS YOU'VE GUYS HAVE HAD, UM, ABOUT EITHER PROJECT ON THE BOARD? SO I'M REFERENCING BOTH PROJECTS, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD HAS DISCUSSED BOTH.
UM, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TOO MUCH ABOUT THE DOWEL PARK BECAUSE COUNCIL APPROVED IN MARCH 23RD OF 2020 FOR US TO GO FORWARD WITH THE GRANT PROCESS FOR THAT.
SO WHILE WE WERE WAITING, COVID HIT.
SO WE'RE WAITING ON THAT COVID HIT.
UM, AND THEN IT WAS BY, NO, WE DIDN'T GET IT.
SO NOW WE WILL MOVE IT ON TO THE NEXT STEP.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE OTHER PARK AT THE SKATE PARK, I THINK WE JUST STARTED DISCUSSING WHEN, PROBABLY ABOUT OCTOBER AFTER COUNCIL BROUGHT IT UP, BROUGHT IT UP TO THEIR MEETING AND APPROVED IT.
THEN IT CAME TO THE BOARD AND AS COUNCIL APPROVED THIS, AND THIS IS THIS, THESE ARE THE STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING TO GET THERE.
SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE RECEIVED THAT AFTER COUNCIL APPROVED IT, WASN'T BROUGHT TO US FIRST, EXCEPT FOR THE YOUNG MAN WHO DID TALK ABOUT IT.
WOULD IT TALK ABOUT HAVING A SKATE PARK, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE BIKE PARK AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE BOTH ON THE, ON THE LIST.
BOTH PROJECTS ARE ON THE PRIORITY LIST AT THIS TIME.
WE DID NOT DO A PRIORITY LIST IN 2020 BECAUSE OF COVID.
SO, SO THE DOWEL PARK WAS THE ONLY PROJECT TO HIT YOUR PRIORITY LIST.
I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, BUT I BELIEVE SO.
I JUST, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO AVOID ONE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND LET'S BE HONEST IN AN ELECTION YEAR AND ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS BEING ONCE AGAIN, PUSH BACK, UM, WHEN THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR PROJECTS AND THE FIRST PROJECT DISCUSS THE INITIAL PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY A MUCH CHEAPER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, NEARLY HALF
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THE PRICE.UM, I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GO AGAIN, WARD ONE, IT'S SEVERELY LACKING IN PLACES FOR KIDS TO HANG OUT AND PLAY.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PARKS TO GO TO WITHOUT CROSSING TROY PIKE.
NOW, IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, OKAY, I'M NOT, I, I THINK THEY DESERVE A PLACE OUT THERE.
AND I RECALL AT ONE OF THE PARKS AND REC MEETINGS, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, MR. UH, JOSH KING HAD MENTIONED THAT, UM, UH, THAT, THAT HE HAD GONE OUT ONE DAY TO OPEN DIAL PARK OR PRIOR TO OPENING DIAL PARK.
AND THERE WERE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WAITING OUT THERE, LIKE THEY WERE READY TO GO.
AND, AND THE RESIDENTS WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THAT PARK UP AND RUNNING, UM, MIND.
THIS IS AGAIN, BACK IN 2019 AND, AND STILL THOSE RESIDENTS ARE WAITING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTION ON THAT.
SO I'M FINE WITH BOTH PROJECTS, BUT, UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOWEL PARK PROJECT DOES NOT GET PUSHED BACK ONCE AGAIN.
SO IF MONDAY NIGHTS DISCUSSION IS PUSHING FORWARD, THE ONE PROJECT YET WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WAIT FOR GRANTS FOR THE OTHER PROJECT.
NO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAID THAT, GLENN.
I MEAN, I'M, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR WE CAN BE ABOUT THIS TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM WAS A SKATE PARK AND A BMX PARK THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
YOU BROUGHT UP THE EXTRA PARK AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE PARKS, TWO SEPARATE COSTS TO MOVE FORWARD TO A COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE.
NOW I'VE SAID, AND I'VE SUPPORT BOTH OF THEM.
AND AGAIN, I'VE ASKED, HAS ANYBODY ON COUNCIL OBJECT TO DOING BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS COMBINED, EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT WE DON'T RECEIVE ONE SINGLE DOLLAR OF GRANT FUNDING.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL OBJECT TO THEM.
SO ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THERE'S, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M GETTING A LITTLE FRUSTRATED ABOUT THE WAY WE'RE HANDLING THESE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE AN AGENDA, THERE'S A PROPOSED AGENDA.
AND THEN WE USE THESE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TO START GETTING OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON THE AGENDA, THROUGH THESE LISTED ITEMS, AS OPPOSED TO FOLLOWING THE PROCESS AND SENDING ME AN EMAIL, REQUESTING AN ITEM, GO ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN PUT IT ON THERE AND HAVE AN ITEM TO DISCUSS.
THAT'S THE WAY EVERYTHING HAS BEEN HANDLED.
MY COMMENT EARLIER WAS I'VE NEVER SEEN AN EMAIL REGARDING THE DIAL ROAD PARK ASKING TO DISCUSS IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING AT A WORK SESSION.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN WORK GOING ON AROUND IT, BUT AGAIN, IF, AND IF I'M MISSING IT, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER ANY RECOMMENDATION, ANY PRESENTATION ABOUT THE DOLL ROAD PARK FROM ANYBODY FROM THAT PODIUM TO THIS COUNCIL, IF THAT HAPPENS, AND SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL.
LET ME KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.
BUT TO DATE, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.
WELL, I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I CONSIDER THEM RELATED ITEMS. THEY'RE BOTH BMX SKATE PARKS WITHIN OUR CITY.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE WAS A SKATE PARK.
IT'S, IT'S EVERYTHING INCLUDED.
SO I, I'VE KNOWN MORE THAN I'VE NEVER HEARD.
SO, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS ON MONDAY'S AGENDA FOR THE COUNSELING, ONE REGARDING THIS, AND ONE REGARDING, UM, THE DIAL ROAD PARK, AND THEN COUNCIL THEM TO DECIDE HOW THEY'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
SO MY, TO UNDERSTAND THAT MONDAY'S MEETING REGULAR MEETING, WE WILL HAVE THIS DIAL DRIVE ISSUE ON THE AGENDA.
IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WISHES I'M TOTALLY.
MS. BAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLANS AND THE BUDGET FOR DIAL.
SO I'D LIKE MORE TIME MAYBE THE NEXT WORK SESSION WOULD BE ON THAT AGENDA.
MR. JOSH, HAVE YOU GIVEN A PRESENTATION OR HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE DOLL DRIVE ROAD PARK LOOKS LIKE OR THE COST OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? YEAH.
UM, MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION DID A PRESENTATION FOR THE PARKS AND REC BOARD ON THAT.
UM, SOME OF THE COSTS IN HERE, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT AND AGAIN, THE SAME COMPANY WHO'S ACTUALLY QUOTED US FOR THE SKATE PARK, WHICH IS WHY I CONTACTED THEM FOR THE SKATE PARKS, UM, QUOTED US PRICING FOR, UH, DIAL PARK AS WELL.
SO, UH, THEY KIND OF SPECIALIZE IN ALL THIS DIFFERENT STUFF.
UM, SO DIAL PARKING ITSELF ORIGINALLY WAS A THREE-PHASE PROJECT MULTI-USE TRAILS IN THE WOODS AND A PERIMETER LOOP AROUND THE OUTER PART OF THE PROPERTY.
THEN A PUMP TRACK, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE ARMORED, UM, BMX TRACK, BUT IT'S ALL ASPHALT, BUT IT CAN BE, AGAIN, IT CAN BE USED FOR BIKES, SKATEBOARDS, SCOOTERS, UH, SIMILAR KIND OF DESIGN AS A BMX TRACK, BUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
AND THEN THE LAST PART WAS THE WHAT'S CALLED THE BICYCLE SKILLS
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PARK AND BICYCLE PLAYGROUND.AND THAT KIND OF GETS KIDS USED TO THE AREAS IN THE WOODS.
UM, SO THE FIRST TWO PHASES IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO APPLY FOR NATURE WORKS FOR, AND THAT'S WHAT HAS THE 170 FOR THE TRAILS AND THE PERIMETER LOOP, AND THEN TWO 80 FOR THE PUMP TRACK.
BUT YOU ADD IN THE BIKE PARK AND, AND, OR THE SKILLS COURSE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND IT BRINGS THAT PROJECT CLOSE TO $600,000.
UM, BUT THAT IS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FROM THAT COMPANY.
SO THAT INCLUDES THEM COMING HERE FROM ARKANSAS.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE AND ALL THEIR MOVING FEES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO AGAIN, I MEAN, YOU GET SOMEBODY LOCAL TO DO A LOT OF THIS STUFF AND THOSE COSTS GO DOWN AS FAR AS THE DESIGN FOR IT.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME, BUT ON FRIDAY, THE MIAMI VALLEY CYCLING SUMMIT IS HAPPENING IN, UH, UM, MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION IS DOING A PRESENTATION ABOUT DIAL PARK AND SOME OF THE AREAS OVER THERE THAT CAN BE CONNECTED IN THE FUTURE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FUTURE CONNECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO REGIONAL TRAILS.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HOP ON THERE FRIDAY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE DESIGN FOR DIAL PARK WILL BE PRESENTED THERE AS WELL, KIND OF PRE, UM, A PRESENTATION THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER.
AND PRIOR TO MONDAY WORKING WITH MR.
SO I WOULD, CAN I GET SOME HISTORY ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT ONLY BECAUSE, SO I KNOW THAT THAT THE LAND WAS DONATED TO THE CITY FROM THE SCOPES A DOWEL ROAD, BUT THEN WHEN THIS BIKE PARK CAME UP, LIKE, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IF I'M WRONG, SO I PLEASE TRY ME BECAUSE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THIS COUNCIL DISCUSSING IT AND AUTHORIZING TO, TO GO INTO THE BIDDING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL.
I DO REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL ON OCTOBER AUTHORIZING WITH IT BY AN AGENT ZERO VOTE, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK INTO THE BID PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD, EXCUSE ME, WITH WHATEVER HAD TO BE DONE.
SO CAN SOMEBODY GIVE ME A HISTORY OF THE, OF THE DOWEL ROAD PARK, WHERE THAT ORIGINATED FROM WHERE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ALL TOOK PLACE, AND IF THAT CAME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE ACTUALLY MOVING THAT FORWARD.
CAUSE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION.
I'LL HAVE TO YOU LOOK BACK, UM, BECAUSE FROM THE, THE COUNCIL END OF THINGS, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL HAVE TO FIND WHETHER THERE WAS, UM, A PROJECT SET UP OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THAT DISCUSSION, SO I DIDN'T LOOK INTO THAT, BUT I CAN GET THAT THOSE ANSWERS.
MR. CAMPBELL, LIKE MS. RON, IS THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU COULD HAVE IN THE PACKET FOR MONDAY NIGHT? A TIMELINE OF WHAT'S OCCURRED BASED ON, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE COME UP WITH ALL THAT STUFF.
I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY HERE AT THE NIGHTS.
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION, MR. OTTO.
UM, WELL, YEAH, I WAS, I THINK IT WAS AROUND MARCH OF 2019.
JOSH AND I BOTH ATTENDED THE CYCLING SUMMIT WAS A MARCH, MAY, 2019.
WE BOTH ATTENDED THAT CYCLING SUMMIT.
AND, UM, AND THAT THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION STARTED WITH THE DIAL PROJECT.
UH, THE FIRST PARKS AND REC BOARD DISCUSSION OF IT WAS, UM, JUNE 19TH OF 2019.
UM, THEY PUT IT ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST, UM, IN JULY OF 2019.
UM, THE YOUNG MAN, UH, NICHOLAS CAME TO CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER 23RD AND A MENTION OF THIS WAS MADE DURING THAT AS WELL.
AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO THE YOUNG MAN THAT HE, YOU KNOW, GET INVOLVED WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.
I THINK MR. CAMPBELL ACTUALLY EVEN MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PUTTING HIM ON A SUBCOMMITTEE SO THAT HE COULD HELP DESIGN AND DO ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF OVER THERE AT DIAL PARK.
UM, I REMEMBER DEL PARK DISCUSSION, BUT OKAY.
OCTOBER, 2019, UM, AGAIN, PARKS AND REC HAD MORE DISCUSSION CONCERNING IT AND, UH, THAT YOUNG MAN, UH, WAS THERE FOR THAT.
AND THEN THEY HAD MORE DISCUSSION AGAIN WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS, CONTINUING AND WHATNOT IN NOVEMBER, 2019.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON IT.
I'VE ATTENDED ALL THOSE MEETINGS.
UH, I WAS CONFIDENT THAT THE PROJECT WAS MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS WHY I NEVER BOTHERED TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
WHEN I SEE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOVING AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN, UH, NO NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KICK A DEAD HORSE, BUT IT'S ALREADY GOING.
UM, BUT THEN, BUT I, IT JUST ME CONCERN WHEN I SEE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S VERY SIMILAR AT A HIGHER PRICE POP-UP AND I'M WORRIED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS OTHER PROJECT THAT WE STARTED WELL BEFORE THAT ACCOMPLISHED AND DONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE, THE, THE KIDS OR WARD ONE COULD REALLY USE A PARK LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT WAS YOUR EXPECTATION WHEN, WHEN YOU VOTED IN OCTOBER TO MOVE THE SKATE PARK? I WANTED TO BMX PARK FORWARD IN OCTOBER.
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YEAH.I, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT BY MANY PEOPLE.
I ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, WELL BEFORE THAT 2017, I BELIEVE I BROUGHT IN SOME, SOME SKATEBOARD GUYS THAT, UH, UH, WERE REALLY INTO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND I HAD THEM WORK UP A PRESENTATION OF SOME HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT WERE REALLY INTO SKATEBOARD.
THEY WORKED UP A LITTLE PRESENTATION THAT THEY GAVE TO COUNSEL AND WHATNOT AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, HUBER HEIGHTS COULD USE A SKATE PARK AND YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THIS THING THE WHOLE TIME, BUT YEAH, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSION RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE ATTENDED ALL THOSE, THOSE PARKS AND REC MEETINGS AND I'VE TAKEN NOTES ON THAT STUFF.
AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BECAUSE PARKS AND REC BOARD HAD PLACED THAT ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST NEAR THE TOP.
THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON THAT.
AND I'M SURE YOU CAN SEE WHY I CAN MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.
SO MR. ROGERS, COULD YOU, UM, GO BACK AND JUST LOOK AND SEE AND HAVE READY, UH, ANY MEETINGS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT, THAT DIAL ROAD PARK, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR DOG PARK HAS BEEN ON A WORK SESSION AGENDA? YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS SPECIFICALLY WAS, BUT I'LL GO BACK.
I, I JUST, I JUST WANT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL ABOUT HAVING, CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT AND WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN PROPERTY.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED, UH, IN REVITALIZING THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS FOR BUSINESS GROWTH AND ECONOMIC GROWTH.
AND I DO BELIEVE FROM, FROM A PARKS PERSPECTIVE, THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO AND ENJOY, I THINK IS A THING THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE MISSING AND I'M, I'M FULLY OKAY WITH BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.
UH, I THINK THE LOCATIONS OF BOTH OF THEM ARE GOOD.
THOSE KIDS NEED SOMETHING TO DO.
THE REASON THAT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THOSE PARKS IN THE AREAS OF TOWN WHERE KIDS CAN ACTUALLY RIDE THEIR BIKES TO THE PARK WHERE PARENTS DON'T HAVE TO GET THEM IN THE CAR AND DRIVE ON THEM AND GO OVER 70 AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR WHATEVER THOSE, THOSE AREAS NEED THINGS FOR KIDS THAT I SPEND ALL DAY WITH TEENAGERS, I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME THEY NEED AND THEY WANT STUFF TO DO THEIR PARENTS NEED AND WHAT THINGS FOR THEM TO DO, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY'VE BEEN DOING NOTHING, BUT SIT AT HOME ON THE COMPUTER OR GOING TO SCHOOL FOR THE LAST YEAR.
SO I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF DOING ALL THIS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH OF THEM MOVE FORWARD, BUT I THINK THEY ARE, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
AND TONIGHT THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND MOVE FORWARD.
AND AS LONG AS COUNCIL HAS NO OBJECTIONS, UH, AGAIN, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL'S ASKED SEMESTER FOR CALSEIA, I THINK WE WOULD, UH, LOOK TO SEE BOTH.
I SEE BOTH OF THOSE, BUT I BELIEVE THERE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. THAT'S MR. GAMBLE, JOSH, IN REGARD TO THE PRICE TAG FOR BOTH PROJECTS, I THOUGHT I HEARD THEY BOTH HAD A SEVEN IN THE NUMBER, UH, DIAL PARK ALTOGETHER.
IF WE DID EVERYTHING AT ONCE WOULD BE ABOUT 600.
SO I THOUGHT I HEARD THE SEVEN.
THAT'S 600 FOR THAT ONE AND THEN SEVEN 40 FOR THE SKATE PARK.
SO ALL IN A DIAL IS OVER SIX AND IS THE MONETA PARK PROPOSAL ALL IN? I BELIEVE SO.
THAT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TRASH CANS AND SHADE STRUCTURES AND ALL THE WAY UP TO REPAVING ROADS AND PARKING LOTS TO COME INTO IT.
SO IF WE BROUGHT BOTH PROJECTS TO THE TABLE ON MONDAY AND THEY WERE GOING TO BE AN APPLE TO AN APPLE, THEN ONE WOULD HAVE A $700,000 PRICE TAG AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD HAVE A $600,000 PRICE TAG.
IF YOU DID ALL THREE PHASES OF DIAL AT ONCE.
AND IS THERE ANYONE PROPOSING DOING IT IN THREE PHASES OR YOU WANT TO GET THE PROJECT DONE AT ONE TIME? I'D LOVE TO SEE IT ALL DONE.
I WANT TO SEE PLANS AND BUDGETS AND TIMEFRAME, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AMONGST BAKER AND THE REST OF US, ALL THOSE PLANS, RIGHT.
TO THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE'VE HAD WITH MANITA.
MOST OF IT'S, MOST OF IT'S ON MY COMPUTER ALREADY, SO LIKE IT'S, IT'LL BE, YOU CAN GET IT OUT TOMORROW.
UM, UH, JOSH, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE THE COST OF THE ONE-YEAR MAINTENANCE FOR THE ARMORED CRUSHED ROCK? UH, BY MONDAY, IF NOT BY TOMORROW, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO, UM, THE GENTLEMEN AT AMERICAN RAMPS AGAIN AND ASK FOR THAT.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL GET BACK TO ME BY MONDAY.
I CAN LET THEM KNOW I'LL MARK IT URGENT IN THE EMAIL AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET BACK TO ME QUICKLY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN ESTIMATE.
UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND UNTIL THESE COME BACK FOR BIDS.
WE WON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL COST BY, UH, MR. KING HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IN THE PAST, COMING UP WITH A REASONABLE ESTIMATES.
UM, AND JOSH, I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE WITH DIAL PARK.
I'M NOT QUITE UP TO SPEED BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN
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THE PACKET TONIGHT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, BUT ARE THERE ANY MAINTENANCE COSTS TO THE DIAL PARK PROJECT ANNUAL LIKE YOUR YEARLY COSTS? LIKE THERE WOULD BE FOR THE ARMOR CRUSHED ROCK BMX TRACK WITH THE ASPHALT PUMP TRACK BECAUSE IT'S ASPHALT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SALT ON IT AND BECAUSE THERE'S NO CARS ON IT THAT ASPHALT WON'T WEAR OUT NEARLY AS QUICK AS THE ROAD DOES.UM, SO GENERALLY IT HAS A 10 TO 15 YEAR LIFE BEFORE YOU HAVE TO DO SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE ON THE ASPHALT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE TRAILS IN THE WOODS GO, UM, THE MIAMI VALLEY MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION HAS SAID, AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD SIGN AN MOU SAYING THAT THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE TRAILS IN THE WOODS.
AS FAR AS CLEARING BACK BRUSH, UH, FIG TREES THAT FALL DOWN IN THE AREA TO WHATEVER EXTENT WE WOULD ALLOW THEM, THEY WILL COME IN AND REGULARLY MAINTAIN THOSE TRAILS AT NO COST TO US.
SO, UH, OTHER THAN NORMAL CUTTING THE GRASS, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL ANNUAL MAINTENANCE THAT'S ADDED FOR THE DIAL PARK PROJECT.
I MEAN, YOU GOING TO HAVE THINGS, IF THINGS GET BREAK, IF, IF YOU KNOW, YOU GET MORE SHELLS AND STUFF, NORMAL.
UM, THAT'S AN ANNUAL COST IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M GETTING.
AND I THINK I'M HEARING NO, UH, OTHER THAN THE NORMAL, UH, UPKEEP FOR THE PARK, THERE'S NOT ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, COSTS IN IT.
SO, UH, MAY MAYOR NO OBJECTIONS HERE? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON $1.3 MILLION FOR MONDAY FOR TWO PARK PROJECTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHY IT SOUNDS TO ME AND THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND, CORRECT? YES.
I COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND LAST AS WE, AS WE START MOVING FORWARD, IF THE BOND RATES AND THINGS STILL YIELD KIND OF THE SAME NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET, I MEAN, THAT'S ALMOST FREE MONEY, UM, ON THE BOND.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT THE FINANCE TEAM DETERMINES IS THE RIGHT WAY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THEN, THEN WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? WELL, ONE, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK INTO THE GRANTS OF WHETHER WE CAN APPLY AND RETRO ANYTHING, OR PHASE TWO OF SOMETHING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE ANSWERS, THAT PROCESS.
BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO PARKS AND REC MEETING, THEY SAID THEY WERE HOLDING, GOING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THEY WERE WAITING ON THAT LAST GRANT THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH.
MR. KEVIN, JOSH ON THE DOLL ROAD PARK PROJECT, ARE YOU USING FAST-FORWARD VERSUS, UH, THE CRUSHED ROCK? YEAH.
FOR THAT ONE? YEAH, BECAUSE, SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AT MANITA THAT CRUSH ROCK ONE WOULD BE BIKES ONLY YOU CAN'T.
I MEAN, ANYTHING ELSE WITH WHEELS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE TOO ROUGH OF A RIDE FOR HIM.
UM, BUT THE ASPHALT PUMP TRACK MAKES IT SO, YOU KNOW, SKATEBOARDS, SCOOTERS, SOMEBODY IN A REALLY CRAZY FANCY WHEELCHAIR IF THEY WANTED TO CAN GO OUT ON IT.
UM, SO YEAH, YEAH, THE PUMP TRACKS ARE, ARE, ARE UNIVERSAL.
ANYTHING WITH WHEELS CAN GO ON THEM.
UM, SO, UM, BUT THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A SMOOTH SURFACE VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, A ROUGHER SEALED.
SO JUST ONE LAST TIME, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS ONTO MONDAY'S AGENDA, MR. SHAW, MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR BECAUSE, UH, COUNCILMAN LIONS DISCUSSED SPENDING MONEY.
WE'RE GOING OUT FOR BID ON BOTH THESE PROJECTS, CORRECT? I'M A, NO, WE GOT SOME ESTIMATES WHERE WE'RE DOING FULL BID AUTHORIZATION ON MONDAY.
AM I CORRECT? WHICH NET, WHICH AT THAT POINT IN TIME MAKES THEM TWO FULL INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.
UM, IN ADDITION, UH, TONY, UM, UH, MARCH OF, UM, I BELIEVE 2020, UM, WAS, UH, ONE OF THE MOST RECENT DISCUSSIONS ON DIAL PARK, IF YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKET FOR THE MAYOR AS WELL.
SO I'D HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, SO FROM A BID PERSPECTIVE, ARE WE GOING OUT, SO WHAT WOULD THAT TIMEFRAME LOOK LIKE? OR I WAS GOING TO SAYING THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND THIS WAS THE RAMP COMPANY WE'RE USING.
THIS IS WHAT WAS SHOWN IS WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
WE'VE HAD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO I'M LOOKING AT A 75 DAY TURNAROUND TIME.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, A 30 DAY BID PROCESS, WHEREVER IT IS THAT PUTS US BACK INTO THE MONTH.
I MEAN, THIS THING IS IT WON'T BE FINISHED.
KIDS WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS BY THE END OF THE YEAR EITHER OR AN END OF THE SUMMER.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAD GOTTEN THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF COMPANY THAT DOES THESE RAMPS AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS LOOKED INTO THAT, UM, THERE WAS ONLY THE ONE IN THIS AREA THAT DOES THIS KIND OF THING.
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OTHER WAYS OF DOING IT THAT WE WEREN'T LOOKING INTO OF, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL CONCRETE, EVERYTHING FOR THAT, BUT THESE KINDS OF THINGS.SO THAT WAS, UH, THE INTENT OF THAT.
UH, WE'D BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON MONDAY, UM, WITH, UM, FINALIZING CONTRACTS AND MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION FOR THE, FOR THE SKATE PARK, WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING TO MOVE TO MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING FOR APPROVAL, TO BE ABLE TO START THE PROJECT.
SO THE, THE BEDS ARE THE COSTS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RAILROAD PARK.
I MEAN, ARE THOSE ALL LEGITIMATE NUMBERS, LEGITIMATE BIDS FROM A COMPANY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT YOU'VE, I MEAN, IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION OR DOES THAT NEED TO GO OUT TO BID? I JUST ASKED THEM WHAT THE PROCESS IS, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT.
CAUSE, CAUSE SPECIFICALLY THE AUTHORIZATION WHERE THOUGH, UM, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THE RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZED LAST OCTOBER WAS FOR YOU TO GO OUT AND DO WHAT YOU'VE DONE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING BACK NOW AS A RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT WAS IN THE RESOLUTION LAST OCTOBER.
SO THAT'S THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MONDAY'S MEETING TO APPROVE THAT.
AND THEN, SO WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DO FOR THE, FOR THE RAILROAD PARK FROM MONDAY IS READY TO APPROVE THE PROJECT THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE OR WHAT ARE WE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? YEAH, THOSE WERE, THOSE PLACES WERE ACTUAL NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN FROM THE ACTUAL COMPANIES THAT, UH, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON MONDAY, UH, THEY CAN PROVE THAT AS A PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, TO FINALIZE THOSE NUMBERS AND TO FINALIZE CONTRACTS, JOSH, IS THAT WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS? OR MONITA? YES, THERE, I MEAN, THERE ARE LOCAL TRAIL COMPANIES THAT ARE A LOT CLOSER REGIONALLY THAT COULD PROBABLY GIVE US BETTER BIDS ON DIAL MARK, FOR SURE.
AGAIN, THIS WAS WHO I REACHED OUT TO.
UH, THEY WERE AT THE PARKS AND REC CONFERENCE IN BALTIMORE AND THEY WERE THE FIRST COMPANY THAT I KIND OF KNEW OF AND DID THIS KIND OF THING AND WAS PUT IN CONTACT WITH THEM.
UM, SO THIS IS THE PRICES THAT THEY GAVE.
UM, BUT YES, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRAIL BUILDERS LOCALLY THAT CAN DO PIECES OF THIS.
UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ASPHALT PUMP TRACK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO FIND A COMPANY THAT DID THAT THIS COMPANY DOES.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY LOCALLY THAT DOES.
SMART RATIO WILL BE MOVE THIS, THE SKATE PARK BMX LET'S CALL THEM.
ANITA PARK WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL FOR MONDAY.
AND THEN IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO THEN PUT THE DOLL ROAD PARK OUT TO BID BASED ON THE DIFFERENT PARTS AND PIECES OF THAT, UH, THEN TO BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE WAY THE WAY TO GO.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY I SUPPORT BOTH PARKS.
THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD DO BOTH OF THEM.
UM, BUT IF THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, I THINK THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
MR. RADO COULDN'T WE JUST MOVE FORWARD.
UH, JOSH WAS SAYING THAT AS FAR AS THE PUMP TRACK DESIGN AND BUILD AND WHATNOT, THIS ISN'T ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT IF WE WANT TO PHASE IT.
SO AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU HAD SAID.
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT PHASE ALL AT ONCE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PUMP TRACK IS IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THOSE BIDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT DOES THAT.
AND WE WANT TO START THAT AND HAVE THAT AS THE PROPOSAL FOR MONDAY TO BEGIN THAT PIECE.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT GETTING THE BIDS FOR THE REST OF IT.
IS THE SAME COMPANY AS BONITA.
I MEAN, IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THEM COME DO MONITA WHILE THEY'RE HERE TO COME DO PART OF SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT HOWEVER YOU WANT.
SO, UH, SO I'D MAKE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE.
SO WE'LL KIND OF WRAP THIS UP HERE.
UH, THE MANITO PARK PROJECT WILL BE ON MONDAY'S MEETING FOR APPROVAL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM SAF BASED ON THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED LAST OCTOBER, WE WILL ALSO HAVE ON MONDAYS COUNCIL MEETING THE PUMP TRACK PORTION OF DIAL PARK, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, TO BEGIN THE RFP PROCESS, TO GO OUT, TO BID FOR THE REST OF IT.
ANY OBJECTIONS FROM COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD IN THAT PROCESS BAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TIME AND COST SPITS AND LIKE THE WHOLE PLAN FOR DIAL, BECAUSE I'VE NOT SEEN ANY OF THAT COME THROUGH.
SO I WOULD NOT BE READY TO MOVE ON MY MONDAY.
WE CAN PUT IT ON THE MEETING IN TWO WEEKS FOR DIAL.
WELL, I MEAN, SO IT WOULD TAKE A MAJORITY OBJECTION FROM COUNSEL TO, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO STOP THAT PROCESS AT THIS POINT, BUT CERTAINLY OBJECTION NOTED MR. RODDICK, DON'T YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THOSE ESTIMATES AND WHATNOT THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM THOSE.
SO YOU CAN GET THOSE OUT TO US.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS WELL BEFORE MONDAY.
HOW OLD ARE THOSE ESTIMATES? THESE ARE FROM LATE 2019.
WHEN I GOT THE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT PUTTING IN FOR NATURE WORKS, I CONTACTED THE COMPANY ABOUT
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THE PRICE FOR THE PUMP TRACK.AND YOU SAID THAT PRICE IS STILL VALID.
THANKS MR. CAMPBELL, SCOTT, TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR MONDAY, THEY WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNCIL WAIVING THE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? YES.
BECAUSE THE PRICE OF THE PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE US TO UNDERSTAND ORATORY LAW, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THE LEGISLATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.
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THREE, THE TRASH HAULING BIDS.I GOT THAT AND I'M GOING TO SHARE, UH, WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, UH, AND, UH, WE DID RECEIVE THE THREE, UH, PROPOSALS, UH, FROM, UH, OUR CURRENT CONTRACTOR, UH, REPUBLIC.
AND THEN ALSO FROM ROME KEY AND WASTE MANAGEMENT.
UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THAT MEETING, UM, THAT WENT THROUGH DIFFERENT, UH, PRICING AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND I UNDERSTAND WE, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE NOT HERE, UM, THAT MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UM, ONE OF THE, UH, DISCUSSIONS IS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THIS IS AN INCREASE.
UM, NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE GO FROM WHAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS.
UM, THE BID COMPARISON, UH, WE HAD A CHART THAT, UH, WAS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, BUT I HAVE AFTER OUR DISCUSSION AND, UH, AFTER MR. CAMPBELL DID, UH, ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND HOW THAT PROJECTS FROM A MONTHLY BASIS YEARLY BASIS, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, THAT'S UM, I NOTICED THAT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF THAT, UM, WE WEREN'T COMPLETELY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.
WE WERE COMPARING DIFFERENT KINDS OF PLANS.
UH, SO WHAT I'VE GOT HERE, UH, TODAY IS THE, UH, MOST, UH, ACCURATE COMPARISON OF WHAT A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICES ARE, WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH, WHICH ARE THE SR 10% DISCOUNT, THE, UH, TRASH PICKUP EVERY WEEK, RECYCLING PICKUP EVERY OTHER WEEK.
AND THAT, UH, THE, UH, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO USE THE CONTRACTOR CARTS.
SO THIS GIVES THE COMPARISON, UH, FOR EACH OF THE PROPOSALS, UH, TO GET THAT ACCURATE, UH, COMPARISON, THE LOWEST, UH, BID ON THAT, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE WAS, UH, RUNKEE AT 1375 PER MONTH FOR THE FIRST YEAR, AND THEN REPUBLIC AT 1436.
SO A 61 CENT PER MONTH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND THEN FOR A WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR NOT REQUIRED TO USE THE CONTRACTOR CARDS WAS A LOT HIGHER.
UM, THEY, UH, PUT A BETTER PROPOSAL IN FOR IF WE DID REQUIRE THAT THEY ONLY USE THE WASTE MANAGEMENT CARDS, BUT THAT STILL WAS HIGHER THAN THE OTHER TWO BIDS.
SO WE WERE KIND OF FOCUSED ON THE TWO LOW BIDS.
UH, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, AS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IS ABOUT THE SAME.
SO THE BETTER OUT ON THE STREETS THAT'S WOULD HANDLE TRASH PICKUP AND RECYCLING PICKUP.
UM, THE REPUBLIC BID HAD A FUEL SURCHARGE ONLY IF THE DIESEL PRICES GO OVER $4 A GALLON.
UH, I CHECKED AGAIN TODAY, THE CURRENT IS $2 AND 84 CENTS.
UM, DID LOOK INTO THE HISTORICAL COST OF DIESEL.
AND, UM, SINCE, UH, 2000, UH, UH, 13, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 13 MONTHS OR 13 MONTHS BETWEEN 1994 AND 2013.
AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY, UM, SINCE 2013 TILL NOW.
UM, THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS THE BULK PICKUP.
UM, THE REPUBLIC BID HAD THAT, UH, THEY WILL CONTINUE THE SAME BULK PICKUP PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TODAY.
UM, AND WE DID LOOK INTO, UM, IN GENERAL WHAT'S THE PUBLIC CURRENTLY DOES.
UM, AND IT'S TYPICALLY FOUR TO EIGHT PIECES OF SOMETHING ON A BULK PICKUP REQUEST.
AND THERE IT IS USED QUITE A BIT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, KEYS BID HAS THE BULK PICKUP
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AND ONLY THREE ITEMS AT A TIME, UH, WITH THAT CAP.SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN SERVICE THERE.
UM, SO, UH, TH THEY ALL UTILIZE CALL CENTERS.
UM, RUNKEE HAD NO FUEL SURCHARGE, UM, AND, UH, THERE, UH, THERE WOULD BE, IF WE DID SWITCH, THERE WOULD BE A, A CHANGE.
AND SO WITH THAT CHANGE, THERE WOULD BE, UH, LETTERS THAT WOULD GO OUT TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND THERE WOULD BE A SWITCH OF HAVING TO PICK UP THE ONE, UM, SET OF CARTS THAT IT'S OUT THERE AND THE DELIVERY OF THE OTHER, AND SETTING UP A NEW PHONE MESSAGING, UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ON THAT TURNOVER.
UM, SO, UM, WE DID HAVE, UH, THAT SURVEY THAT WENT OUT THAT THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS, UH, STATED THAT, UH, IN GENERAL, THEY DO LIKE HAVING A SINGLE TRASH HAULER.
AND ALSO THAT, UH, THEY, UH, UH, THE, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE ORIGINAL ONE FROM BACK BEFORE EIGHT YEARS AGO, UM, THE COMPARISON THE COSTS HAVE BEEN WEIGHED DOWN.
THESE COSTS BEING PROPOSED ARE STILL LOWER THAN WHAT PEOPLE WERE PAYING PRIOR TO THAT INITIAL.
UH, WE HAD PEOPLE PAYING 60, 70, $80 A QUARTER.
UH, SO THESE NUMBERS ARE STILL A LOT LESS THAN WHAT, UH, WAS BEING PAID PRIOR TO A SINGLE TRASH HAULER.
UH, SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM, UH, RESIDENTS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THEIR SERVICE.
WE HAVE LOOKED INTO, UH, THE, THE CITY DOESN'T KEEP TRACK OF NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UM, WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY TO SALMON, A QUESTION OR A CONCERN ABOUT A TRASH HOLLER.
UM, BUT, UM, WE, WE HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY ARE CONTENT WITH THE TRASH HAULER THEY HAVE.
UM, SO, UH, ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT WE STAY WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR AND, UH, NEGOTIATE THAT FINAL CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD FOR A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT.
THANK YOU, MR.
MR. OTTO, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WOULD CREATE THE RECOMMENDATION.
I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE PLAN WAS TO GET THE CHEAPEST PRICE AVAILABLE AND THE BEST SERVICE AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND IT APPEARS TO ME JUST STRAIGHT UP RUMPY HAS THE BEST PREMIUM HERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, UH, IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO GO WITH GRUMPY AS IT LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT THE BEST PREMIUM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SERVICE HISTORY CITYWIDE, BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE TRASH HAULER CITYWIDE.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT TO COMPARE.
I KNOW THAT I HAD, UM, RUMPKE IN THE BEGINNING AND YEAH, MY RATES AS AN INDIVIDUAL WERE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE CITY'S CURRENT RATE, BUT, UM, I WAS EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH SERVICE.
I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH PICKUP.
THEY TOOK PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING I PUT OUT THERE.
UM, I'M, I'M ALL ABOUT GETTING THE RESIDENTS THE BEST RATE WE CAN GET THEM.
AND I'D LIKE TO GO WITH THE RUM KEY.
UM, THE RUMP, KEEP IT PERSONALLY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL COMMENTS AS MAYOR.
I LIKE THE REPUBLIC HAS THE UNLIMITED BULK PICKUP.
WHEN PEOPLE PUT STUFF OUT, WE DON'T WANT IT LYING THERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT'S A LOT AND YOU KIND OF DID AN AVERAGES OF LIKE FOUR TO EIGHT.
DO WE KNOW HOW OFTEN DOES THERE ANY OF THE SHOWS, HOW OFTEN THAT THAT BOWL PICKUP IS USED? UM, THERE WAS A, IN, IN THE PAST, AND THIS WAS, UH, ASKED TO FOR PUBLIC, APPROXIMATELY 15,000 BULK COLLECTIONS WERE PERFORMED WITH AN ESTIMATED 75% OF THOSE BEING FOUR TO SIX ITEMS. SO THERE'S SO WITH RUNKEE, IF THEY NEEDED IT, COULD THEY CALL AND GET IT, AND WOULD THERE BE A CHARGE FOR THAT OR DO THEY JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND PUT THEIR STUFF OUT THREE TIMES, THREE ITEMS AT A TIME FOR BULK PICKUP? THEIR PROPOSAL IS A MAXIMUM OF THREE BETS THAT THEY COULD CALL THE NEXT WEEK AND GET MORE ANOTHER THREE.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THE, I GUESS, MORE OF AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, DO WE HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT MR. CAMPBELL HAD ASKED LAST TIME WAS KIND OF WHAT IS THE OVERALL COST DIFFERENCE FOR THE FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WRONG KEY BID AND THE, OR WITH, YOU KNOW, SO IF THEY'RE THE LOWEST BID AND THE REPUBLIC BID OVER THAT FIVE YEARS, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT TOTAL COST OF THAT CONTRACT IS? GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
I'M PROBABLY, I'D JUST LIKE TO TRY AND GET THIS DOWN TO COMPARE THIS TO AN AVERAGE MONTHLY.
SO IF WE GOT A 16 MONTH CONTRACT THAT TOTAL PRICE
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BY 60 MONTHS, LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? SO OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS $56 AND 28 CENTS PER USER.SO, SO IF WE STAY WITH REPUBLIC, ISN'T COSTING ME $56 MORE OVER FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S LESS THAN A DOLLAR A MONTH AVERAGE.
WHAT DOES THAT SPECIFICALLY, CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE WILL ASK, SO WHAT IS, YEAH.
DO THE MATH FOR ME REAL QUICK.
WHAT IS THE THREE MONTHS DIVIDED BY THE $56 AND AN AVERAGE OF 94 CENTS PER MONTH.
MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MARILYN FOR SCOTT, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT, UM, WHAT FACTORS INFLUENCED, UM, STAFF'S DECISION, UM, TO GO WITH REPUBLIC OVER ROCKY OR EVEN WEISSMAN? UM, THE FACTORS THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE SMALL DIFFERENCE IN COST, THE SERVICES FOR, UH, UH, THE BULK PICKUP APPEARS TO BE A BIG THING FOR HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, THE, THE RENTALS THAT DO HAVE THE, THE CLEAN OUTS AND SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
NOW, NOW THAT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THE FAILURE, WHOLE YARD, UH, WITH, WITH TRASH AND THAT PICKUP, BUT, UM, THAT THAT'S THAT 15,000 BULK COLLECTIONS IS A BIG NUMBER FOR HUBER HEIGHTS THAT HAS THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE CHANGE OVER, UM, ANYTIME THERE'S A CHANGE OVER THERE IS A BREAK IN PERIOD, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UH, SO FOR THAT DIFFERENCE IN PRICE, THAT'S WHAT LED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S ON YOUR NEXT LINE, SCOTT, THE NATIONAL CALL CENTER, LOCAL CALL CENTER, AND, UM, UH, WHERE THEY SAY ADDITIONAL, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS STAFF TRAINING AT THE BEGINNING ON THE WASTE MANAGEMENT PROPOSAL, WHICH I KNOW IS THE HIGHEST OF THEM.
SO TO ME, IN LOOKING AT THE LETTER, THE COUNCILMAN SHAW, SO BY THE TWO OF YOU ASKING SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPLAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS AROUND INSTANCES, RESPONSIVENESS, OR A WAY TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT THAT COMPANY THAT DIDN'T PICK UP THEIR RECYCLING THIS WEEK.
SO ARE THEY COMPARABLE BETWEEN RUNKEE REPUBLICAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WASTE MANAGEMENT HAS PROPOSED.
THERE IS A WAY TO CONTACT EACH ONE OF THEM FROM A PHONE SERVICE OR THROUGH A WEBSITE.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NATIONAL CALL CENTER FOR REPUBLIC, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, UH, THE FIRST TIME AT THE BEGINNING, THERE WAS SOME TRAINING INVOLVED, UM, AND OF WHAT THE HUBER HEIGHTS RULES WERE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES.
UH, BUT, UH, THAT WAS AT THE BEGINNING.
AND, AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, LIKE WITH
SO THEY ARE ONSITE ON WEBSTER, I BELIEVE IT IS.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S STILL A COST.
UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN, SO I GUESS I WILL BEGIN HERE, UM, DURING MY RESEARCH PHASE FOR THIS AND SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR, UH, LOOKING INTO A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS AND INFORMATION.
UH, IT WAS QUITE A BIT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I HAD AN ILLNESS IN THE FAMILY WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST WORK SESSION.
UM, BUT AS ALWAYS, I'VE DONE MY RESEARCH AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THAT TODAY.
UM, I WAS PERSONALLY QUITE SHOCKED, UH, TO HAVE LEARNED BACK IN 2013, 2012, WHEN THE STAR STARTED 2013, WHEN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS DONE, THAT RUNKEE THE ACTUALLY HAD A LOWER PRICE THEN ALSO, BUT YET WE STILL PICKED YEAH.
UM, ADDITIONALLY BACK IN 2013, THIS COUNTY, SO I'M SORRY.
THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL, CERTAIN, SOME MEMBERS
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ARE STILL HERE TODAY, ALSO HAD A SENIOR DISCOUNT AT THEIR AVAILABILITY AND DID NOT THAT OPTION ALSO IN 2013.UM, JUST VERY SIMILAR TO THIS BECAUSE I READ THROUGH BOTH ARTISTS, IF PEASE AND SCOTT, PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THE RFPS THAT WE USED IN 2012, THE 2013 AGREEMENT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE RFP WE USED FOR THIS.
AND AM I CORRECT? IT WAS SIMILAR.
THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN THEN PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, UM, YOUR PREVIOUS YEAH.
AND, UH, UH, PREDECESSOR, UM, ACTUALLY HAD MENTIONED DURING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE AGREEMENT TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, THERE WAS ONE STICKING POINT AND THIS WAS MADE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE AND TO CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.
AND THAT COMMENT WAS THE REASON THAT WE ARE NOT PICKING, UM, UH RUNKEE UM, AT THAT TIME, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FUEL SURCHARGE THEY PUT IN THEIR BUILDINGS.
AND THIS BID PROPOSAL, WE HAVE A FUEL SURCHARGE THAT'S IN THE BID PACKET FOR REPUBLIC, BUT NOT FOR RUMPY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GOING BACK THROUGH THOSE PREVIOUS POLICIES AND SEEING WHY THAT HAPPENED.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP AND THAT, AND THIS IS FIRST TOPIC, ONE THAT I'VE GOT A SERIES ON, UM, IS IN SOME RECENT COMMUNICATION WITH THE U S ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION AND THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.
THEY BOTH FORECAST DIESEL PRICES.
UM, RIGHT NOW THERE WAS AN ALERT THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY PUT OUT IN THE PAST WEEK ABOUT, UM, UH, UM, OIL, UM, AS, AS, AS IT'S COMING TO A SHORTAGE, UM, MAY IMPACT A DIESEL PRICES TO HIT OVER FOUR OH FIVE BY JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
SO WITH THAT INFORMATION, IF WE LOOK AT JUST THE BEN INFORMATION, NOT WHAT YOU PRESENTED WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, HAS, UH, HAS AT THEIR, AT THEIR FINGERTIPS.
UM, WE, WE WOULD BE ASKING THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, ANTICIPATION OF A FUEL SURCHARGE, UM, TO BE PAYING A VERY, VERY MUCH HIGHER OF A CONTRACT.
AND IT'S GOT, I KNOW YOU PUT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS OUT.
UM, AND I WENT AHEAD AND, UM, DID SOME, SOME OVERALL MATH ON THAT THAN I, I WOULD KINDA LIKE TO SHARE.
SO WITH OPTION NUMBER FOUR, UM, W INCLUDING THE FUEL SURCHARGE, UH, FOR REPUBLIC, UM, OVER THE LIFE OF THE CONTRACT, UM, WOULD BE $1,146 PER RESIDENT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL CONTRACT AWARD OF $15.9 MILLION, UM, COMPARED TO ROCKY'S $11 MILLION OVERALL CONTRACT AWARD.
THAT'S A BIG PRICE DIFFERENCE.
UM, SO I JUST WONDER IF, IF, IF THE CITY STAFF CONSIDER BACK IN 2013 B DECISION BECAUSE OF THE FUEL SURCHARGE COMPARED TO NOW, WAS THAT DISCUSSED AT ALL? I, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE 2013 DISCUSSIONS ON THAT WHERE, UM, THE FIELD SURCHARGE, AS I MENTIONED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS TODAY IS LOOKING AT THE HISTORICAL NUMBERS.
SO LOOKING AT THE BID INFORMATION THAT'S IN THERE WITHOUT THE FUEL SURCHARGE, A TOTAL CONTRACT AWARD OF 13.2 MILLION.
SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE THERE BETWEEN THE BID NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THERE.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AN OVERALL COST, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO START AT FIRST, EH, WE, WE DISCUSSED THE FUEL, THE SURCHARGE, THE FACT THAT, UM, RUM KEY DOES NOT HAVE THAT AND THEIR, AND THEIR PROPOSALS REPUBLIC DOES THAT WAS A DISQUALIFIER SET POLICY BY THIS COUNCIL IN 2013.
I THINK EVERYBODY ON HERE HAS AGREED THAT RUNKEE IS COME IN AT A LOWER COST.
SO THE NEXT KIND OF DISCUSSION IS SERVICE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF SERVICE OUR RESIDENTS HAVE, WHAT AND WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT.
SO WHEN I DO A LOT OF MY OWN REVIEWING, UM, OBVIOUSLY I LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WEBSITES AND I ALSO LOOK AT THE BETTER, BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU.
I WAS VERY SHOCKED TO ALSO LEARN THAT REPUBLIC IS NOT EVEN AN ACCREDITED BUSINESS ON THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU WHERE RUNKEE IS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PAST 12 MONTHS OF COMPLAINTS REGISTERED BY THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU, 1,151 COMPLAINTS COMPARED TO ROCKY'S 81
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COMPLAINTS, AND THAT LED ME TO TAKE AN ADDITIONAL STEP.AND SCOTT, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THIS.
I THINK YOU, UM, SENT A LIST OF ROUGHLY 13 COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT YOU KIND OF LISTED WHO HAS REPUBLIC AND RUMPY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I THINK 73% OF THEM HAD, UH RUNKEE.
UM, SO I HAPPENED TO, UH, TO REACH OUT, UH, TO A COUPLE OF MY ELECTED OFFICIAL COLLEAGUES, UH, MAYOR OF BELLBROOK VANDELIA AND BROOKVILLE ALL GAVE HIGH REVIEWS OF RUNKEE AND, UM, AND SAID YOUR RESIDENTS WILL ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE SERVICE.
UM, ANY TYPE OF STAFF TRAINING WAS VERY QUICK AND EFFICIENT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY TYPE OF TURNOVER.
UM, SO, AND, AND THESE ARE TWO MAYORS OF THE THREE, UM, THAT I'VE HAD VERY LITTLE INTERACTION WITH OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
ONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A VERY GOOD ACQUAINTANCE OF MINE, UH, FROM RIGHT UP THE ROAD.
UM, SO I HAVE TO TAKE THEIR WORD THAT, UH, THAT WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR MY RESIDENTS HERE IN MY COMMUNITY, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT COST CHEAPER SERVICE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU SERVICES AS NONSTOP, I MEAN, COMPLETELY BETTER WITH RUNKEE.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT PREVIOUS POLICIES SET BY THIS COUNCIL, UM, REPUBLIC, YOU KNOW, HAS A FUEL SURCHARGE OR EMPTY DOESN'T.
SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE CHECKING ALL THE BOXES.
UM, SO I GUESS I'M VERY CONFUSED HOW CITY STAFF OUTSIDE OF RELATIONSHIP, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE REALLY HEARD IS, IS WHY WE'RE STILL STICKING WITH REPUBLIC.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, MERIT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THESE COMPANIES I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY HEAR FROM THEM AS WELL.
UM, SO WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ONE OF THE BIG STICKING POINTS THAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT IS, IS BULK PICKUP.
UM, SO I DID SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH WITH SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES AND ACTUALLY FOUND EVEN JUST TO THE SOUTH OF US, THE SECOND LARGEST CITY IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UM, THEY, UH, THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, RUNKEE AND THEY'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH BULK PICKUP.
UM, I WAS TOLD BY TWO OF THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT MAN, WHATEVER YOU PUT OUT ON THE CURB, THEY PICK IT UP.
UM, SO MAYOR, IF WE COULD, I'D LIKE TO ASK A REPRESENTATIVE RUNKEE TO COME UP AND TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE.
SO OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM ROCKY HERE THAT COULD ADDRESS THAT OKAY.
UM, WELL LET'S FIRST TALK ABOUT THE BULK PICKUP REPRESENTATIVE.
I'M DREW WATSON WITH RUMPY, UM, TO ADDRESS THE BULK PICKUP, THE, THE, THE LIMIT, AND YOU CAN STEP IN IF I'M WRONG, HERE IS THREE LARGE ITEMS. IS THAT NOT, WOULD YOU OKAY? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO THAT'S OKAY.
YOU'RE IN THE ISSUE IS THAT HE'S TALKING TO THE CITY AND THEY SAID, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY PUT IN, WE, WELL, WE ASKED THE PEOPLE CALL IN PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGE SET OUT THAT WAY, WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY HELP THEM TO HELP THE DRIVER.
THE, WHAT WE REFER TO AS BULK PICKUP IS LIKE COUCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SITTING OUT SIX TO SEVEN COUCHES A WEEK, BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD ASK ME FOR THAT INFORMATION AND YOU KNOW, ARE DEPENDS ON WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE YOU'RE ON, BUT TRUTHFULLY, I MEAN, YOU GUYS, IF THIS IS YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU DRIVE AROUND, HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE SIX OR SEVEN LARGE ITEMS SITTING OUT THERE? OH, YOU'D BE SURPRISED.
AND THEN SECOND, YOU KNOW, OR OUR BID, IT ACTUALLY INCLUDED THE CARDS.
THIS IS JUST ME ASKING, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
DO YOU GUYS CURRENTLY PAY A LEASE FOR COURTS? I THINK THEY, WELL, WE DON'T PAY THE RESIDENTS PAY FOR ONE EXTRA CART.
THE ORIGINAL ONE IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, WE HAD IN THE BID, THE DIFFERENT, UM, WAYS OF COMPARING, WHETHER IT'S THE CARTS, EVERYBODY IS TO USE THE CONTRACT OR CARDS ONLY, OR WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS FOR, TO ALLOW FOR OTHER CARTS INCLUDED.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THAT BID.
THEY EACH HAVE EACH CONTRACTOR PUT IN THERE.
SO SIR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP ON THE MIC AND GET ON THERE.
I'M THE RESIDENCE MANAGER AT RUMPY, UH, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE SAYING, UH, THE GUYS THAT WORKED FOR ME ON MY, UH, MY CREW, I, I, I WANT THEM TO PICK UP AND
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TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITIES THEY OPERATE IN.UH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO JUST LEAVING STUFF ON THE STREET AND THEN PEOPLE CALL IN AND THEN WE DEAL WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
UH, SO YEAH, WE SAY THROUGH ITEMS, BUT IF WE WILL TAKE CARE OF STUFF TOO, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE RELATIONSHIP, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING BROOKVILLE, UH, BELGRADE HARRISON TOWNSHIP.
THAT'S WHY THINGS RUN SO GOOD.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A, NON-ISSUE REALLY MAYOR IF I MAY ASK, UM, COULD, COULD YOU, UM, UH, VALIDATE, UM, HOW MANY, UH, AND JUST A PERCENTAGE OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY REGION THAT YOU SERVICE A MUNICIPAL TRASH COLLECTION? UH, HOW MANY CONTRACTS WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, 70, 80%, I'D SAY EVERY BIT OF 80%.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL QUICK ITEMS HERE.
UM, I KNOW IT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO SEE AN IMPACT, NO MATTER WHAT VENDOR WE CHOOSE, WHETHER IT'S A REPUBLIC OR RUNKEE.
UM, AND WITH THE BIDS THAT WERE PUT IN THE PACKET AND PUBLICLY NOTICED, UM, IT IT'S, ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS WITH A, ROUGHLY 34% INCREASE, UM, WITHOUT A FUEL SURCHARGE, UM, WITH A FUEL SURCHARGE, IT WOULD BE ALMOST A 61% INCREASE OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE PAYING NOW, UM, OR ROUGHLY A 20% INCREASE BY GOING WITH, UH, WITH RUNKEE.
UM, I, I REALLY, UM, I, I'M NOT A FAN OF PAYING A COMPANY, UH, AN ADDITIONAL $1.5 MILLION, UM, OVER, UH, A, THE LOWEST BIDDER, JUST BECAUSE WE, AS A CITY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, UH, RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY JUST WENT THROUGH STILL GOING THROUGH A VERY STRONG PANDEMIC.
MANY OF THEM ARE STILL ON UNEMPLOYMENT, UM, AS, AS A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBLE ELECTED OFFICIAL, IF THERE IS A LOWEST AND BEST OPTION THAT LOWEST AND BEST, BEST OPTION SHOULD BE PICKED, UM, TO, TO HOLD TRUE WITH WHERE I'M AT.
UM, AND THAT'S TAKING EVERY BIT OF RESEARCH AND TO PLAY.
UM, AND I HAVE TO GO ON THE FACTS THAT I'VE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE DIESEL, UM, UH, FORECAST.
UM, AND PLUS, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY TOUGH TO PLAY.
WHAT IF WITH A, WITH, WITH PEOPLE'S MONEY.
UM, WHEN, WHEN I PREVIOUS VENDOR BACK IN 2013, WHEN THIS POLICY WAS SET, WHEN THIS COUNCIL SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO WITH A VENDOR THAT HAS A FUEL SURCHARGE, BECAUSE IT COULD BE IMPACTFUL FOR OUR RESIDENTS, UM, THAT WAS IN THE MEETING MINUTES, UM, PLACED, UH, AT THAT TIME, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THIS COUNCIL, THE DATES OF THOSE MEETINGS THAT TOOK PLACE, UM, AND DISCUSSED.
UM, AND THEN, AND THAT'S MY FACTS-BASED RESEARCH.
NOW, LET ME PLEASE PROVIDE YOU MY PERSONAL RESEARCH.
UM, I FIRST WANT TO THANK SO MUCH, UH, FOR RUNKEE, UM, WHO HAS BEEN IN, IN THIS REGION, UH, VERY LONG, UH, FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND DONE A VERY GREAT SERVICE FOR THE DAYTON REGION AND MIAMI VALLEY.
UM, I PERSONALLY DID NOT TAKE VERY KINDLY TO BEING LOBBIED AND SOLICITED BY, UM, REPUBLIC SERVICES THROUGH MY, UM, UH, MY H H O H ACCOUNT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, LETTERS THAT WENT TO RESIDENTS, UH, UM, TAPED ON THEIR MAILBOXES AND NON LETTERHEAD FROM REPUBLIC, I THOUGHT WAS VERY POOR TASTE.
UM, AS AN ADDITION TO, I DID ASK OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND SCOTT TO, TO LOOK AT, TO SEE IF THAT IN AND VALIDATED THEIR BID, UM, BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF THE, UH, LOBBYING AND SOLICITATION, UH, TO NOT ONLY MYSELF, I BELIEVE IT WENT TO MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, THOSE BIDS AND INFORMATION HAD NOT BEEN SHARED, UM, BY CITY COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE THAT STILL INTERNAL ARE GOING ON WITH CITY ADMINISTRATION.
I JUST THOUGHT, IN MY OPINION, I'LL USE THE TERM VERY UNETHICAL AND VERY POOR TASTE AT THIS TIME.
MAYOR, I WILL YIELD THE FLOOR, UM, AS I PRESENTED MY RESEARCH AND FACTS.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I CAN'T SEE WHO'S MR. HILL HAS, IS MR. HILL.
UM, WHAT THE QUESTION? SO IT SAYS THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED USE OF, UH, CONTRACTOR CARDS, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE AVAILABLE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS I, UM, I ACTUALLY AM KIND OF SHOCKED WITH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRICE OF REPUBLICAN AND PUMPKIN AND DEGREE THEN.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY HERE AND, AND GIVE A BETTER PRODUCT, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE NATIONAL VERSUS THE LOCAL CALL CENTER.
UM, IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND HAVE A LOCAL CALL
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CENTER, THAT THAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING THING, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT THING WHERE, UH, UH, UM, A RESIDENT WOULD CALL THE NATIONAL CALL CENTER AND ASK THEM A QUESTION AND THEY WOULD GIVE ONE ANSWER.AND THEN WE WOULD COME TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE GET IN CONTACT WITH ROB OR ANOTHER PERSON AT CITY HALL.
AND THEY WOULD SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT.
AND SO IF WE ARE CALLING A LOCAL CALL CENTER, ESPECIALLY AT A CHEAPER PRICE, I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE RIGHT ANSWER RIGHT AWAY RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, SEE, UM, SEE THE DISCREPANCIES WHERE WE WERE CALLING IT, NATIONAL CALL CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I WOULD RATHER GO WITH ROCKY THAN REPUBLIC.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MR. WEBB.
SO LET'S, WE'LL HAVE THE, UM, ROCKY REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.
IS THERE ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THESE PRICES WOULD CHANGE DUE TO ANY FUEL SURCHARGES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT ANY TIME? OKAY.
NO, THE BID WE PROVIDED AS A LEGAL DOCUMENT AND WE WOULD ABIDE BY THOSE RATES THAT WE SET IN THERE.
THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU JUST BRIEFLY, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE ALL, I DON'T WANT TO SAY SET IN THEIR WAYS, I'LL SAY, HAVE ESTABLISHED HABITS OF THEIR PICKUP DAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WOULD YOU MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO MIRROR THEIR CURRENT PICKUP SCHEDULE OR INTENT WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY MIRROR IT COMPLETELY WITH THAT THAT'S CONTINGENT ON US GETTING THAT INFORMATION.
WE COULD AUDIT THE ROUTES AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DAYS PEOPLE ARE GOING.
I KNOW THE RECYCLING IS GOING TO BE KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S EVERY OTHER WEEK, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE PROVIDED OF HERE'S THE ADDRESS, HERE'S A DAY AT SERVICE, WE WOULD MIRROR THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT WAS OUR INTENT ALL ALONG.
UM, THAT ONE WAS, UM, JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS BROUGHT UP ON DURING SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS ON SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, I THINK THE BASIC TERM WAS, AM I GOING TO LOSE MY TRASH PICKUP DAY, WEDNESDAY, OR WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM? OKAY.
UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION, BUT REGARDING THE TRANSITION PERIOD, UM, SCOTT, DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH ROME WITH A REPUBLIC AND EXTEND MAYBE THE PERIOD OF TIME IF WE WOULD MAKE A CHANGE? SO, UH, THAT WAS, UH, ONE, IT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME AND THAT THE FIRST DISCUSSION WAS IF THE DECISION, UH, THAT, UH, WAS LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RUNKEE, IF WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO START THAT CONTRACT PROCESS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY RON KEITH SAYING THAT THEY CAN MEET THE JULY 1ST DEADLINE, BUT THEY, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THERE WAS A WAY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR.
UH, THE CITY COULD FOR AN EXTRA MONTH OR TWO, I DID REACH OUT TO REPUBLIC AND THEY SAID THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THEY'D BE WILLING TO DO.
SO COULD YOU GIVE US, UM, JUST, UH, BRIEFLY WHAT THE TRANSITION WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO SWITCH OVER TO RUGBY? OKAY.
SO LET'S JUST ASSUME IT'S JULY ONE, SINCE THAT'S THE ACTUAL DATES THAT I HAVE.
SO THE, THE FIRST PROCESS WOULD BE ON THE OUT INTERNALLY, IT WOULD BE ORDERING CARTS AND TRUCKS AND HIRING DRIVERS AND EVERYTHING EXTERNALLY, WE WOULD DO A MAILER TO THE RESIDENTS, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE BECOMING THE NEW HOLLER JULY 1ST AND THEN LEADING UP TO THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING CART DELIVERY, CONTACT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE ANY SPECIAL REQUESTS FOR SERVICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH US, LET US KNOW THAT.
SO, AND THEN OF COURSE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LEADING UP TO JULY 1ST, WE WOULD BE DELIVERING OUR CARDS TO THE RESIDENCE.
AND THEN HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS TYPICALLY WORK SINCE YOU'VE TRANSITIONED IN OTHER CITIES WITH THE ORIGINAL CARDS BE PICKED UP? HOW WOULD YOUR CARDS YEAH, THE COURT REPUBLIC THAT'S THEIR CARDS OR THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN A COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING THE CONTRACT.
WHAT DOES THE TYPICAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT, WHAT DOES YOUR COMPANY SEE HAPPEN IN THAT? UM, I'M GONNA LET ONE OF THESE GUYS ANSWER THAT CAUSE YEAH, A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT WHEN WE TOOK OVER, UM, UH, KETTERING, UM, WE WERE PROVIDED A LIST, SO WE HAD TO STRAIGHTEN IT ALL OUT.
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UH, THEY HAD CERTAIN DATES SET THAT THEY REMOVE THEIR CARTS AND WE WOULD DELIVER OURS.SO WE GOT ALL OF OURS DELIVERED, BUT THEY LEFT SOME CARDS THERE FOR US.
SO, UH, WE JUST TOOK IT UPON HERSELF TO GO GET THEM, UH, GET THEM OFF THE STREET.
UH, WE GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES TO GET THEM BACK IF THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM, THEN WE JUST TOOK CARE OF GETTING RID OF THEM.
UM, WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS IN, UH, KETTERING AND FAIRBORN WITH THE TRANSITION.
AND HOW LONG IS THE TRANS PERIOD? UH, I BELIEVE WHEN WE, WE TALKED WITH, UH, YEAH, TWO, THREE WEEKS, UH, TOPS OVER AT THAT POINT.
ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PRESENTED, WOULD YOU PROVIDE THEM THE COUNSEL'S EMAIL? I COULD SEND IT ON AT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LIKE.
IF YOU COULD SEND THAT OUT RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ON YOUR WELCOME.
COULD YOU TELL US, DO THEY OFFER PAYMENTS? LIKE PEOPLE CAN PAY YOU THROUGH CELL, THEY MAIL IN A CHECK, CONGA CREDIT.
CAN YOU GO OVER THAT? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THEY'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
I'M THE MUNICIPAL PUBLIC SECTOR REP AND YES WE HAVE, UM, PAYMENTS CAN BE MADE ONLINE.
UH, WE WOULD, UM, SIMILAR TO, I THINK, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS NOW? IT'S ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
SO MAIL-IN PAYMENT OR PAY ONLINE IS AN OPTION OR COLIN, COLIN AND GIVE THEIR CREDIT CARD OR MAKE A PAYMENT PLAN AS NEEDED IF THEY FALL BEHIND.
ARE THERE ANY FEES FOR CALLING IN PAYMENTS THAT WAY OR ARE YOU JUST, I'M NOT SURE THERE IS A, THERE'S A NOMINAL FEE FOR THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS OR IF IT WAS PUT IN OUR PROPOSAL, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.
AND DID YOU GUYS OFFER THE SENIOR DISCOUNT? WE DID.
AND I JUST, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT AS WELL THAT WITH ALL OF THE OPTIONS ROCKY'S INCLUDED A CART, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CORRECT? YES.
THE TRASH AND THE RECYCLING CART, TRASH RECYCLE TRASH AND RECYCLING REQUIRE A SECOND TRASH CART.
YES, BUT WITH EVERY ONE OF THE OPTIONS, UM, THE CORKS INCLUDED.
ONE QUESTION IS ON THE BILLING AND NON-PAYMENT OKAY.
COULD YOU DESCRIBE HOW YOUR COMPANY HANDLES THAT DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS? UH, USUALLY IT'S AFTER A 90 DAY PERIOD WHERE WE, UM, WE'LL TERMINATE SERVICE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, USUALLY I WOULD SAY FOUR TO SIX WEEKS AFTER THAT, ALLOWING ENOUGH TIME AND THEN WE'LL REMOVE THE CART.
SO AT THAT RESIDENCE, IF THEY STOP PAYING THEM, THERE'S THIS TRASH COLLECTION.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SERVICE.
SO YES, BUT WE DO GIVE 90 DAYS AFTER THAT FIRST QUARTER, WHICH IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF HOW IT'S HANDLED IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS? SIMILAR SOMETHING SIMILAR THERE THAT I BELIEVE 90 DAYS ABOUT RIGHTS, UM, AND, UH, THAT THERE IS A REPUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE HERE TOO.
THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, BUT YEAH, SIMILAR PROCESS AND OURS IS AGAIN, IT'S 90 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER.
SO IT WOULD BE A JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND THEN, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO THE BILLING AND THE 90 DAYS AFTER THAT, WHICH IS AGAIN, ALMOST SIX MONTHS.
WEB THE CURRENT VENDOR OFFERS, UH, ACH, AUTOMATIC DEBIT.
DO YOU KNOW IF PROPERTY OFFERS? I BELIEVE SO.
EVERYTHING CAN BE SET UP ON OUR WEBSITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. SHAW? OH, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW.
UM, I WENT AHEAD AND SENT MY INFORMATION OUT.
PLEASE NOTE, UH, THE INFORMATION IS IN THERE.
IT WAS, AS THE PACKET WAS SENT OUT, NOT WITH SCOTT'S UPDATED NEW INFORMATION.
I DID SEND THAT TO TONY AS WELL.
TONY, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE, UM, IN THE PACKET, I'M FINE MAKING THAT A PUBLIC RECORD, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN SENT OUT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM REPUBLICAN YES.
HOW IT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I'VE GOTTEN TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU.
UM, SO WE DO DO A SIMILAR PROCESS TO RUMPY.
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LATE FEE OF $5 A MONTH.UH, FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS AFTER THAT, UM, THE SSI, THE SERVICE INTERRUPTS PROCESS STARTS AFTER THAT SAME 90 DAY PERIOD.
UM, WE GO THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT TO, BEFORE WE GO INTO COLLECTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY TRIED TO WORK IT OUT, PARTICULARLY FOR OUR MUNICIPAL PARTNERS.
UM, BUT IT'S, I THINK WHAT WE ALL FIND, RIGHT? THERE'S CERTAIN CUSTOMERS THAT ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS.
UM, OFTEN WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO IS GET THEM TO SIGN UP FOR AN AUTO-PAY AFTER THEY'VE BEEN ON THAT SERVICE INTERRUPT THE FIRST TIME.
AND WE FIND THAT THAT HELPS SORT OF PREVENT THE PROBLEM GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF DELINQUENCY MIGHT BE? YES.
IT'S ABOUT JUST IN TERMS OF, I THINK WE THINK OF IT MORE IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT VALUE.
IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.
UH, SO I THINK NUMBERS WISE, THAT'S PROBABLY 60, 45 TO 60 CUSTOMERS AT ANY GIVEN TIME IN YOUR CONTRACT AND THE FUEL CHARGE.
IT DID, IT WAS REQUESTED IN THE RFP.
AND SO WE PROVIDED ONE, THERE HAD NOT BEEN ONE IN THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT.
UM, AND I WAS DEFINITELY NOT HERE IN 2013.
SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU, BUT IT WAS NOT IN WHAT WE'RE PAYING NOW WITH REPUBLICAN.
CORRECT? THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOES NOT HAVE IT.
UM, THE SAME LANGUAGE WAS IN THE FIRST ONE THAT IF YOU HAVE A FUEL SURCHARGE, PUT IT INTO YOUR BID AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE, UM, YELLOW QUICKS.
WHAT'S THE, WE SHIFT THE WILL OF COUNCIL HERE.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT'S EXPIRING JUNE 30TH.
WE KNOW, UH, WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND, SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE WOULD NEED A SPECIAL MEETING UNLESS, UM, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A MAJORITY WISH OF COUNCIL HERE TO, UM, TO SAY OR CHANGE THAT HAS MAJORITY SUPPORT WHERE, UH, A SPECIAL MEETING THIS WEEK WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET THAT DONE.
SO EITHER A TRANSITION PROCESS COULD STAY IN PLACE OR, UM, OR KEEP THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR.
UH, WHAT IS, UM, JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO DECISION TIME, SO WE CAN'T PUT THIS OFF, YOU KNOW, FOREVER.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL? HOW DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD? I'M READY TO GO FORWARD AND PICK THE HOLLER MR. SHAW? UH, YES.
UM, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE BOTH COMPANIES, UH, A DIRECT ANSWER OF THIS COUNCIL, UM, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH A SPECIAL MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, UM, UH, TO, TO APPROVE, UH, THE NEW SERVICE PROVIDER RUNKEE, UM, AND, UM, GET THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, PROVIDE, UH, AMPLE NOTICE TO OUR RESIDENTS VIA SOCIAL MEDIA NETWORKS, ALLOW RUNKEE TO DO THE SAME, UH, AND, UH, AND, UH, REPUBLIC.
AND, UH, WE CAN GET THE BALL ROLLING.
SO MICHELLE WAS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO SWITCH TO RUNKEE MR. OTTO.
I WOULD ALSO JOIN THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THERE SOUND LIKE SERVICES ARE VERY COMPARABLE, UM, AND, UH, AS FAR AS SERVICE TO THE CUSTOMER, UH, BUT THAT'S TO BE SEEN, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THAT EXPERIENCE BEFORE THEY KNOW THAT EXPERIENCE.
SO YEAH, I'M READY TO MOVE TO THE, THE BEST RATE FOR OUR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
DID YOU EVER HENRY'S YEAH, I AGREE.
I I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REMI.
SO OUT OF THE OTHER, UH, UH, FOUR OF YOU, I APPRECIATE HEARING FROM YOU IN TERMS OF A MATTER OF, WHAT'S NOT, THAT IS FOUR THAT'S THE MAJORITY.
SO, UM, IF THE, IF THERE'S NO OTHER STRONGER OBJECTION OR NOTHING ELSE TO BE SAID, THAT WOULD CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND THEN, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WOLF COUNCILS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WITH A RUMP.
BEFORE WE START JEFF, I JUST WANT, UM, THERE'S, I, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY WAS AGREEABLE WITH THE 10% SENIOR DISCOUNTS, THE BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING, UM, THE WINE AND I SHOWED A COMPARISON TODAY WAS THE USING THE CONTRACTOR CARTS ONLY VERSUS, UM, BEING ABLE TO PUT OUT ONE THAT YOU BOUGHT FROM LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT, UM, ON THE RUMP KEY PROPOSAL.
UH LET'S TRY CAUSE THEY WERE FLEXING THAT HAD CHANGED.
THEY HAVE A LOWER PRICE IF YOU USE THEIR CARTS ONLY.
SO THE FIRST YEAR WAS A DIFFERENCE OF 25 CENTS PER MONTH.
UM, AND THEN IT VARIES A LITTLE BIT THROUGHOUT THE FIVE-YEAR COUNTRY.
SO AS COUNCIL TO REQUIRE, UM, OUR RESIDENTS TO USE THEIR CARTS OR BE ABLE TO USE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CART.
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THAT'S, I MEAN, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT DETERMINATION IS TO HAVE THAT LEGISLATION PREPARED FOR MONEY, I GUESS, OR, OR FOR WEDNESDAY.SCOTT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT RUMPY WON'T ALLOW THE USE OF PERSONAL CARDS? YEAH, THAT WAS PART OF THE BID PROCESS OF, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NEW, THE WAY THE TRUCKS ARE, THERE'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF CAR THAT FOR THE ARMS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS BID AND WITH AN ALTERNATE OF ALLOWING THE CUSTOMERS TO UTILIZE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CARDS, UM, COMPARED TO UTILIZING THE CONTRACTOR CARTS ONLY.
SO THE LAST PRICE, BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOT REQUIRED TO USE CONTRACTOR.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS THE RIGHT COMPARISON.
SO, BUT IN THE PREVIOUS, AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THE NUMBERS IF THEY DO USE THE REMCO CART.
SO THE, UH, THE FIRST YEAR, 1350, THEN 1377, 1405, 1432, 1416.
SO THAT NUMBER IS EVEN CHEAPER WITH GRUMPY IF WE USE THE RUMPY CARD, IF YOU CORRECT.
JEFF, I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ROME.
KATHY'S THE ANSWER? MY QUESTIONS ABOUT BULK UP.
I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT TONIGHT.
I DON'T NEED A SPECIAL MEETING.
WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MEETING SO WE CAN GET THE LEGISLATORS THAT YOU SAY YOU WERE READY OR NOT.
I'M READY TO MOVE WITH ROOM KEY BECAUSE THEY SATISFY MY QUESTION ABOUT BULK PICKUP.
I DO NOT NEED AN EMERGENCY MEETING.
I CAN GO FORWARD WITH RUM KIM MONDAY.
SO I THINK WE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE WORK SESSION, HAVING THE MEETING WAS TO GET THAT IN PLACE SOONER.
SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO HEAR FROM IT.
I'M GOOD EITHER WAY, RIGHT? SO IF, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL AND WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER THEN THAT'S, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING IS THAT WE DISCUSSED AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL MONDAY THE 10TH.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO THAT KIND OF SHORTENS THAT TIMEFRAME AS WAS DISCUSSED.
DAY'S A MATTER NOW TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS AND FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASING, HIRING, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR PLANS TOGETHER, LOOKING AT THE ROUTES, UM, TO, UH, TO ATTEMPT TO MEET THAT SKYPE JULY 1ST.
SO THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE SPECIAL ED WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST WORK SESSION.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE THOSE DAYS WHERE WE'RE REALLY GETTING OUT OF THE CAR.
WELL, WITHOUT SEEING ANY, A MAJORITY OBJECTION OF MOVING TO RUNKEE, UM, TONY SCHEDULE, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, UH, WHERE WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOOKING AT THURSDAY.
UH, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE CALENDAR OF THEIR ROOMS USAGE HERE WITH RANDOM ROOM.
WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND BZA IS SIX 30.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THIS TAKING ANY LONGER THAN 10, 15 MINUTES, BUT SO WE'RE TALKING LIKE A FIVE 30 MEETING ON WEDNESDAY.
IS THERE A REAL GOOD AT FIVE 30 ON WEDNESDAY? I'M GOING TO DO THAT MR. HILL AND MR. LYONS.
YOU OKAY WITH, UH, FIVE 30 ON WEDNESDAY? I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
SO SCOTT, ANYTHING ELSE? JUST TO GO BACK TO THE CART QUESTION? YEAH.
ARE WE GOING TO, AND WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A RESIDENCY AS THEIR CARTS OR, OR USE THE PRICE UP THERE AND ALLOW THEM TO USE THEIR OWN WHAT'S COUNCIL.
ONE OF THOSE LEGISLATION, MR. WEBB, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR US TO REQUIRE THE USE OF ROCKIES CARDS.
UM, IT'S 25 CENTS DIFFERENCE, OBVIOUSLY FROM ONE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THEM 1375 VERSUS 1350, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR TO THE BULK OF THE RESIDENTS TO PAY AN EXTRA QUARTER SO THAT A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS COME, UM, PUT BAGS OFF THE CURB.
UH, MAYBE THAT'S JUST SIMPLE AS FAR AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE 1350 AND PROVIDE THE CAR, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THEM PROVIDE THE CAR.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IF I COULD SCOTT ME ALL RIGHT.
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT KEEPS, UM, IT'S COME UP A FEW TIMES.
UM, CARTS ARE INCLUDED WITH EACH AND EVERY OPTION.
SO, UM, THE ONLY, I THINK IT WAS OPTION THREE WAS THE ONLY
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OPTION THAT REQUIRED RESIDENTS TO ONLY USE THE EMPTY CART, BUT THEY CAN STILL USE THEIR OWN COURT'S.ADDITIONALLY, IN ADDITION TO THE TRASH PART PROVIDED, I, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR ROCKY, AND THAT WOULD BE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CITIES THAT YOU SERVE US WITH A MUNICIPALITY SERVICE THAT HAVE WEEKLY RECYCLING VERSUS BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
AND THEN THE QUESTION FOR SCOTT WOULD BE WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PROPOSAL AND IF WE HAD WEEKLY RECYCLING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR ROCKY, HOW MANY CITIES ARE DOING WEEKLY VERSUS BI-WEEKLY THE MAJORITY, THE MAJORITY ARE DOING WEEKLY.
A MAJORITY OF OUR CITIES ARE WEEKLY ON RECYCLING.
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL THAT ARE EVERY OTHER, AND IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF A DOLLAR 20 PER MONTH.
THE REASON I WOULD SAY THAT THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST FOR THOSE COUNCIL IS, UH, TAKING THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE ARE MORE AND MORE INTO, I'VE SEEN THE STATEMENT MANY TIMES OVER MY RECYCLING CANADA'S FALL LONG BEFORE MINE WASTE OR SOUTH DAKOTA'S FALL.
SO IF THAT IS A COMMON PRACTICE, MARKS OTHER COMMUNITIES MIGHT BE WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT THAT FOR HERE FOR HEIGHTS AND GETTING US ON A WEEKLY SCHEDULE AS WELL.
THAT'S ALL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK TO THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE.
I THINK THERE WAS MOST PEOPLE LISTENED TO SURVEY.
PEOPLE ASK SAID, KEEP BI-WEEKLY.
BUT THE, THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE WEEKLY RECYCLING? AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY SAID, YES, YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT.
WOULD YOU PAY EXTRA FOR IT? THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY SAID NO, NO, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT WAS.
SO THAT'S HOW THE SURVEY THAT'S ON THE SURVEY CAME BACK, BUT I'M SORRY, THE EXTRA AMOUNT PER MONTH OR PER MONTH WOULD BE A DOLLAR 20 PER MONTH TO HAVE WEEKLY COST.
SO MS. BAKER, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO EVEN IF THE RESIDENT HAD ONE TALL KITCHEN BAG OF TRASH, THEY YOU'D STILL WANT IT IN THE CART.
UM, IT'S NOT A CART CONTENT ONLY PROGRAM.
SO NOT NECESSARILY IF THERE'S THINGS THAT, THAT ARE BAGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CART, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE A FULLY AUTOMATED CONTRACT WHERE EVERYTHING'S IN THE CAN AND THE TRUCK JUST PICKS UP WHAT WHAT'S IN THE CAN.
SO IF THEY PUT OUT A BAG, EVERYONE WOULD GET A CARD THAT WAY.
AND THEN IF THEY CHOOSE TO USE A CARD, THAT'S UP TO THEM, AESTHETICALLY, THE CARTS LOOK BETTER, WHICH IS WHY WE ALWAYS PROPOSE IT ALMOST CAN'T GET IN.
AND OVERNIGHT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S THEY'RE SECURE, BUT IF A RESIDENT JUST RAN IT OUT IN THE MORNING AND HEY, CATCH THE TRUCK KIND OF THING, AND YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE IT.
I THINK THE CONFUSION, THE CONFUSION IS THE PRICE WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PRICE THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING ON THAT STATUS QUO.
BUT IF WE DON'T REQUIRE, SO THAT'S NOT REQUIRED IF WE DID REQUIRE EVERYONE TO USE YOUR CART, MR. RAKOWSKI SAYING YOUR BID, THAT PRICE WENT DOWN TO 1350.
SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THE PRICE INCLUDES THE CART, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, IT'S A 25 CENT DISCOUNT.
SO IF WE REQUIRED THE CART, THAT'S 25 CENTS OF THE DOLLAR 20 FOR A WEEKLY RECYCLING, WHICH WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE OF 91 90 CENTS.
IF WE TOOK ADDED ONE IN ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION, BASICALLY, UM, IF YOU HAD A 90 CENT DIFFERENCE, IF WE REQUIRED CARTS TO HAVE WEEKLY RECYCLING, OKAY.
SO WE'VE GOT TO, WE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT MR. SHAW, BECAUSE I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT UP A BOW ON THIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WEDNESDAY SPECIAL MEETING TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER, TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH REPUBLIC FOR WEEKLY TRASH RECYCLING AT THE BEST POSSIBLE RATE PER THE BID.
I THINK YOU GOT AHEAD OF YOURSELF.
UM, AND, AND, AND TO, UM, NEGOTIATE WITH REPUBLIC, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING AT TO START THEIR, UH, THEIR REMOVAL PROCESS.
IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR? FAIR ENOUGH.
I THINK, I THINK I'D RATHER HAVE COUNCIL'S DECISION RATHER THAN PASS OFF TO SCOTCH AND NEGOTIATOR.
WELL, NO, THAT, THAT WAS MY DECISION IS THE, IS THE WEEKLY TRASH.
I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, MY RECYCLING IS OVERWHELMED.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT TWO KIDS IN THE HOUSE, SO I GENERATE TRASH LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I DO LIKE THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A CART EITHER WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, THEN FROM THE BID SPECS, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF BACKWARDS FROM THE BID SPECS.
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WE CHOOSE THE BID THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE CART.THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE CARD ANYWAYS.
THE WHY THE, WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BID PRICE IF YOU'RE REQUIRED.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HUNG UP ON THIS.
YOU EITHER REQUIRED TO USE THEIR CARD OR YOU'RE NOT, OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICE.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE, SO SOMEBODY IS MISSING SOMETHING HERE.
I MEAN, UH, IT LOOKS APPARENT TO ME THAT IS 25 CENTS MARK CAUSE THE DRIVER'S COMPANY JUMPING OUT OF THE TRUCK MORE OFTEN SNATCHING UP BACKS SOMEBODY.
ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE A CART? AND ARE WE GOING TO DO WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES WE NEED TO WRAP UP TO PUT THE BOW ON IT SO WE CAN MOVE TO WEDNESDAY.
MR. ALDO RECOMMENDATION IS WE GO WITH THE, THE BIG CORE THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT HERE, WHICH KEEPS THINGS AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY, WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE USED TO, WHAT THEY UNDERSTAND.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, IT KEEPS THEM ON THE SAME COLLECTION DAY.
THEY HAVE THE SAME CARDS PROVIDED, BUT THEY CAN ADD ADDITIONAL TRASH.
UM, THEY HAVE THE, EVERY OTHER WEEK RECYCLING.
SO MAYBE I'M MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I'M A DUMMY HERE BECAUSE THAT PRICE IS 1375.
HOW DO WE GET TO 1350? I THOUGHT THAT'S BY REQUIRING EVERYBODY TO HAVE A CART, EVERYBODY HAVE A CARD AND NOT USE THEIR OWN CART OR SET OUT BAGS.
EVERYTHING HAS TO GO IN THE TRASH CART.
WE HAVE A REPUBLIC, RIGHT? SCOTT, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE REQUIRING EVERYBODY TO HAVE A CAR REQUIRING EVERYBODY TO USE ONLY THEIR CARS FOR TRASH, EVERY BID WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE A CARD.
ARE WE GOING TO RE WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING? WELL, THAT KEEPS THINGS AS IS BIWEEKLY.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED HOW MUCH OF
AGAIN, TAKING A PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING US THEY'RE RECYCLING CANS ARE OVERFLOWING ALONG BEFORE THEIR WASTE CANS ARE, AND PEOPLE ARE JUST GETTING HIP TO RECYCLING.
AND ASIDE, WOULD YOU NEED TO DO MORE EDUCATION ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO THE RECYCLING BIN? I KNOW YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES THAT OUR CURRENT VENDOR DOES, BUT RECYCLING IS DEFINITELY HERE TO STAY.
I DO MORE RECYCLING THAN I DO TRASH, AND THERE'S JUST TWO OF US IN TWO DOGS.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE 1350 RAY, THE, UM, ARAMCO WITH PROVIDE THE CAMS AND THE, UM, ADDITIONAL WHATEVER IT IS FOR WEEKLY RECYCLING.
SO WEEKLY RECYCLING PROVIDED CAMS. THE PROVIDED CAMS, THE BIGGEST BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS HOPEFULLY THE ELIMINATION.
A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE NOW ON THAT IS THE TRASH BAGS PUT OUT THE CURB THAT ARE BUSTED OPEN BY CREDITORS, OVERNIGHT TRASH IN THE STREETS.
THOSE ARE COMMON COMPLAINTS FROM OUR CITIZENS.
UM, I THINK ARE SOLVED IF EVERYBODY HAS A UNIFORM SET OF COUNTS AND USES THEM APPROPRIATELY, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, RECYCLING ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
THANK YOU, MR. CAMPBELL, SCOTT, IF WE REQUIRE A CAM, THE FEE IS LESS.
IF I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR, IF EVERYBODY WILL GET THE, FROM ANY OF THE, THE, THE CONTRACT THAT THEY ONLY USE THE RUNKEE AND THAT YOU CANNOT PUT A BAG NEXT TO IT, YOU CANNOT PUT A METAL CAN NEXT TO IT.
UM, THAT IS THE CHEAPER RATE AND IT'S HOW MUCH CHEAPER A QUARTER IN THE FIRST, UH, YEAR IT'S 25 CENTS A MONTH.
AND IF WE SPREAD THAT OUT OVER FIVE YEARS, TIMES, 14,000 CUSTOMERS, HOW MUCH IS IT? WELL, SO 210,200, $10,000.
SO KEEP IN MIND COP, WE GO, IF WE MOVED TO WEEKLY RECYCLING, WE'RE GETTING UP TO ABOUT 15 BUCKS A MONTH NOW.
AND WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN CANS.
AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO, YOU KNOW, BEAT THIS DOWN MORE, BUT THE, UM, ON THE PRICING SHEET, THE, THERE WAS A BASE PROPOSAL, UM, AND CORRECT ME, SCOTT, THIS, UM, AND IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE OF THE BASE PRICING, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN OPTION OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO, AND OPTION THREE, THE PARENTHESIZED NEXT TO THE
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RATE WAS THAT WAS THE DISCOUNT FROM THE BASE PROPOSAL RATE, WHICH THE BASE, THE BASE PROPOSED RATE WAS 1495 FOR YEAR ONE.I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THERE, WHICH WOULD MAKE THEN OPTION TWO WOULD BE 1470.
IT WOULDN'T BE AN ADDITIONAL 25 CENTS OFF.
IN OTHER WORDS, SORRY, WE COULDN'T SEE THE, I COULDN'T SEE THE NUMBERS FROM SO, SO THE BIG ISSUE IS HERE WE ARE, THE CART'S GOING TO BE THERE, OR WE NEVER REQUIRE THE RESIDENTS TO PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE CART.
LET'S SAY IT'S 20, THAT SAVE 25 CENTS.
SO I MEAN THAT IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT THEY PROVIDE A CARD, THE CARDS THERE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THEM USE THE CART THAT SAVES 25 CENTS SAVES 25 CENTS.
THAT COULD GO TOWARD A WEEKLY RECYCLING IF WE DON'T DO THE WEEKLY RECITE, IF WE, IF WE MOVED TO WEEKLY RECYCLING AND STILL USE THAT BID, NOT REQUIRING TO PUT THE TRASH IN THE CART, WE'RE UP TO $15 A MONTH, 210,000 PANDEMIC.
AND, UM, I I'M ALL ABOUT THE, WHATEVER THE CHEAPEST OPTION TO KEEP IT UNIFORM AND WHERE WE'RE AT.
THAT WAS WHAT MY RESEARCH WAS BASED ON.
THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY WAS BASED ON.
I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE WEEKLY RECITE OR WEEKLY RECYCLING, BUT AGAIN, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I MEAN, IN ONE YOU FAVOR THAT WE'LL USUALLY JUST THIRD CONTAINER AND SAVE 210,000 YEARS.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT? RIGHT? OR ROLL OVER FIVE YEARS OVER FIVE YEARS.
SO WE CAN SAVE 210,000 AND JUST USE THEIR CONTAINER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND IN THE RESEARCH? THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS EXACTLY IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS THE BASE CHEAPEST OPTION TO KEEP IT UNIFORM.
SO YOU WERE CONFUSED ON CAMPING.
ARE YOU LOOKING, ARE YOU SO JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE.
YOU ARE YOU FOR 1350? ARE YOU FOR 1375 AND FOR 13, 15.
THAT'S REQUIRING THE TRASH TO GO IN THE CAMP.
MS. RODRIGUEZ 1350, MR. SHAW MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT USE YOUR PERSONAL TRASH CANS ANYMORE.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE STILL DOWN WITH NO, THAT'S WHAT WE SAY.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO PICK IT UP.
CURT'S ONLY MEANS YOU CAN'T PUT ANY BAGS OUT YOUR OWN TRASH CAN.
NOW MY WIFE AND I DO ABOUT HALF THE TRASH OUT AND THEN PICK IT UP.
YOU STILL GET THAT PICK UP RICHARD'S TRASH BAG BECAUSE IT'S CONTRACT.
SO LET'S HOLD ON THE FACT THAT SO YOU GUYS ARE HERE.
I MEAN, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT IT'S TURNED $10,000.
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF WE MOVE THIS ON, IF YOU'RE GIVING US A PRICE AT 1350, AND SOMEBODY HAS A BAG OF TRASH SITTING NEXT TO A CART, ARE YOU GOING TO PICK IT UP OR ARE YOU GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THEY PUT IT IN THE CART NEXT WEEK? MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF WE PAY 1350, IF WE PAY PAY 1350 AND WE PUT A SOFA NEXT TO IT, WILL THEY PICK THE SOFA UP? THAT'S A MULTI-TOUCH.
BUT SO YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU DIDN'T ADD THAT INTO THE BID, BUT WE'VE, BUT WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE ON THE PRICE.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICE OF 1350 AND 1375? UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO 1350.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, PRICING SHEET IN THE BED.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, GO AHEAD.
WELL, BECAUSE MR. VIKAS CAN LOOK ON HIS FACE.
LIKE HE WASN'T SURE THAT WAS CORRECT.
SO BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS BIG, HUGE DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT'S GOT EVERYBODY CONFUSED.
LET'S TAKE ONE THING AT A TIME.
SO SCOTT HAD MENTIONED THAT IF RESIDENTS WERE REQUIRED TO USE THE CART AND THE CART ONLY, IT WAS A 25 CENT SAVINGS OFF OF THE BASELINE.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE 1359.
BUT IT, THE BASE, THE BASE PROPOSAL RATE IS I THINK IT MIGHT HELP IF I DO.
YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE BED, THESE THINGS IN THE PACKET THAT BIG COMPARISON, WHICH NUMBERS LOOK AT THE ACTUAL YEAH, FOR INSTANCE, YOU SAID THERE, THE SAYS, HEY, THIS IS LESS THAN WE WERE TO TAKE IT FROM THE BASE PROPOSED, RIGHT? YES.
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FOR YEAR ONE.AND THIS WAS FOR THE WEEKLY RECYCLING AND WEEKLY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WEEKLY, TRASH AND WEEKLY RECYCLING CART INCLUDED FOR TRASH AND FOR RECYCLING.
AND THEN EVERYTHING WAS BUILT OFF FROM THERE.
SO THE, THE PARENTHESIZED SAVINGS WAS OFF OF THAT BASE BASE RATE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND THE, THERE WAS NO CART CONTENT ONLY PROGRAM.
IT WAS JUST, UM, THERE WAS AN OPTION FOR, UM, ONLY USING RUNKEE CARTS, WHICH AGAIN, WE'VE INCLUDED THE CART FOR TRASH AND FOR RECYCLING, BUT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, INSTEAD OF USING YOUR OWN ADDITIONAL CART, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LEASE ANOTHER RUMPY CARD.
SO IF WE WENT TO BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING, WHAT DOES IT COME DOWN TO? THAT'S THAT'S THE STATUS QUO, WHICH IS OPTION ONE, WHICH IS 1375, WHICH THAT IS CORRECT THERE, AND THAT IS RECYCLING ANY OTHER CHEAPER OPTION WEEK.
SORRY, JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY, I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHERE I CAME UP WITH.
THE 1350 IS THE 1375 FOR OPTION ONE A IS FOR THE BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT TO MUST USE THE CON UH, CONTRACTOR PROVIDED CONTAINER IS MINUS 25 CENTS.
SO THAT'S SO THAT, SO THAT'S, SO THE BIG TOOK THAT SINCE THEY WERE TAKING THAT OFF THE BASE, THAT IT WOULD ALSO BE TAKEN OFF THE NEXT ONE.
AS WELL AS HOW I INTERPRETED THAT.
SO SCOTT, DOES YOUR NUMBERS MATCH RUM KEYS NUMBERS HERE? SOUNDS LIKE NO, BUT LET'S WRESTLE THAT 25 CENT DISCOUNT EXISTS IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER TRASH OUTSIDE OF A RUM CONTAINER, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO HELPFUL JUST TO LOOK AT IT HERE, BECAUSE I SEE WHERE SCOTT, I SEE WHAT YOU DID.
UM, MA'AM CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? THANK YOU.
IT WAS CONFUSING THE WAY IT WAS BAD BECAUSE WE PARENTHESIZED BASED ON THE, THE BASE, UM, THAT BASE RATE AND EVERYTHING WAS BUILT OFF OF THAT, INCLUDING THE, THE DEDUCTIONS.
IT WAS CONFUSING THE WAY IT SOUNDS IS THE UTILIZING THEIR CARTS ONLY THE DISCOUNTED OF 25 SENSES ONLY IF IT WAS EVERY WEEK.
NOT IF IT WAS THE BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING.
SO WE CLAIM RECYCLING IS A DOLLAR 20 OR DOLLARS 25 WEEKLY RECYCLING.
THE RATE WOULD BE FOUR IT'S, 1495.
THAT'S THAT'S WEEKLY, THAT'S WEEKLY, TRASH AND A WEEKLY.
SO DOLLAR 2013, 75 IS STATUS QUO.
THAT'S THE EVERY OTHER WEEK OPTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING THEM SAYING NOW.
SO FROM THE RECOMMENDATION, WE'VE GOT THAT CLEARED UP.
NOW, ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE MR. MR. WEB LIKES WEEKLY RECYCLING? UM, I THINK MR. SCHULTZ SAID, NOPE.
UM, SO WHERE, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE AT WITH WEEKLY? RECYCLING? IS THIS A, IS THIS A YES.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD IT INTO THE CONTRACT OR IS THIS GOING TO BE A NO MS. RANDO? I'D SAY BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY WHERE THE RESIDENT SAID, WE'D LIKE IT, BUT IF IT COSTS MORE NOW.
SO IF WE SAY NOW, AND WE STAY WITH EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT EVERY OTHER WEEK AND THEY CAN USE WHATEVER TRASH CANS THEY LIKE IF THEY WANT TO.
AND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WOULD BE A BIG ISSUE FOR REQUIRED ONLY CONTRACTOR CANS.
CAUSE MY WIFE AND I ONLY FEEL HALF OF A CAN EACH WEEK, BUT I SEE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE TWO, THREE EXTRA TRASH CANS OUT WEEKLY AND YEAH.
AND THAT WOULD, UH, EXTREMELY UPSET THOSE PEOPLE.
SO TONY, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE, UH, THIS CASE? UH, SO MR. SHAW OR MR. WEBB HAS RECOMMENDED WEEKLY RECYCLING TO KIND OF PULL COUNCIL TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, WE WANT TO BREAK ANY RULES HERE WITHOUT REALLY TAKING THE VOTE, BUT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE HAVE ONE WHO SAYS YES, WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO AND THEN HAVE THE CONSENSUS, UH, BE WHAT THE LEGISLATION APPEARS ON WEDNESDAYS CANADA.
DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, THE QUESTION, UM, WITH THE SURVEY, IT WASN'T DONE A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY, SO I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME GOING THROUGH THAT.
UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF AN EXTRA CART,
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UH, FOR RUNKEE? I DON'T SEE THAT IN HERE.SO, UH, LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A SCENARIO.
YOU HAVE RUNKEE WHO, UM, REQUIRES THEIR CONTRACTING CARTS.
UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF A SECOND CART FOR A FAMILY OF, LET'S SAY SIX THAT NEEDS TO, UH, TRASH BINS, MR. MCCALSKY, THEIR BID DOES SAY $3 EACH PER ADDITIONAL PER MONTH PER ADDITIONAL CARTS BEYOND THE INITIAL.
AND WHAT WOULD BE REPUBLICS COST FOR AN ADDITIONAL CART RIGHT NOW IS A TWO 75.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I'M PAYING FOR A SECOND ONE.
MR. PAUL KOSKI, I'M SCROLLING THROUGH BACK TO THEIR BID, DOES NOT PROVIDE WHAT THE COST IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL CART THAT WOULD MR. LYONS, I'M GETTING, I'M GETTING A REPUBLICAN GUESS.
UM, SCOTT, IF, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE BIDDING PROCEDURE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS IN, IN NEGOTIATE NUMBERS THAT ARE ALL ALREADY BID.
SO HOW WOULD THAT GO IN THE CONTRACT? JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE GO WITH REPUBLIC, WOULD THAT BE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD PUT IN THE CONTRACT AS A EXTRA BIN FROM REPUBLIC, OR WOULD THAT NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE PUT INTO THE CONTRACT? LIKE WE WOULD NEGOTIATE.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL CART WAS LIKE A DOLLAR 77 AND I DON'T THINK IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH REPUBLIC, WE HAD THAT IN THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
I, I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CONTRACT HAD THE PRICE OF THE ADDITIONAL CARTS.
I THINK IT'S JUST THE, IT WAS LIKE, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST THE STANDARD RATE.
SO PRICE POSITIONING, SINCE THAT, SINCE THAT WAS NOT IN THE, UM, BID PACKAGE, HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT? IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE CONTRACT OR IT COULD BE NEGOTIATED BY THE CITY FOR A, UH, SPECIFIC PRICE.
HOW WOULD THAT WORK? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? YEAH, IT COULD BE PLACED INTO THE CONTRACT.
SO SOMETHING THAT TOTALLY JUST ONE SECOND, BECAUSE I'M I RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO HOLD YOU UP HERE FOR A SECOND BECAUSE WE'VE, THAT SHIP HAS ALREADY SAILED.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A MAJORITY OF COUNCILS ALREADY SAID WE'RE MOVING ON WITH BRUMKEY'S WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING CART PRICES, ADDITIONAL CAR PRICES FOR FOUR REPUBLIC BID.
THIS COUNCIL'S ALREADY ROLLING.
SO THE QUESTION POSED TO YOU WAS ARE YOU FOR WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING? IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION.
AGAIN, MAYOR, YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION AND I'M GETTING THE INFORMATION.
I NEED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT.
SO BASED ON
AGAIN, MAYOR, I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS TO GET TO THAT POINT.
SO I, AND I'VE GOT ONE ANSWER FROM SCOTT.
SO SCOTT, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, WITH THE RECYCLE, WHICH GETS US TO THE QUESTION, IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR THE RECYCLE BIN FOR RUNKEE BEYOND THE INITIAL ONE? YES.
YOU GET ONE INCLUDED IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE THAN ONE IT'S $3 PER CARDS.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GET, UH, RECYCLING, UH, EVERY TWO WEEKS, THEY'D HAVE TO GET A SECOND BIN AND PAY AN ADDITIONAL $3.
SO IF WE GO ONE BID, ONE RECYCLE EVERY WEEK, THEN THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TO GET A SECOND BIN, BUT THE PRICE WOULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND WHAT DOES REPUBLIC CHARGE FOR
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A SECOND RECYCLE BIN? THAT DOESN'T MATTER.COUNCIL'S ALREADY DECIDED TO MOVE ON WITH RUM.
WELL, AGAIN, MAYOR, THIS IS GOES TO MY ANSWER THAT YOU ASKED ME, I NEED THIS INFORMATION.
IT'LL BE THE SAME PRICE AS THEY CHARGE THE SAME PRICE FOR ADDITIONAL CARTS FOR TRASH OR RECYCLING.
SO MAYOR, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND YES, PLEASE.
AS I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE QUESTIONS, UH, BY, UM, I CAN KIND OF GO EITHER WAY ON THIS.
I DON'T NEED YOU TO GO IN THE WAY I NEED AN OPINION.
WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY EVENING.
SO MAYOR AND HERE'S MY ANSWER YOU CAN CHOOSE TO LIKE IT OR NOT.
I CAN VOTE EITHER WAY FOR RECYCLING ONCE A WEEK OR RECYCLING EVERY TWO WEEKS.
HOW ABOUT MR. HILL WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY? MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE WEEKLY MR. WEBB.
UH, SOME ARTISTS STATE AND I THINK WEEKLY IS THE WAY TO GO, UM, AT A BUCK 20 PER MONTH DIFFERENCE.
I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE AS PART OF THE SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE HAVE.
IF WE HAVE RESTAURANTS, THEY WANT TO COME TO THE MEETING AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHILE THEIR OPINIONS BE EVALUATED PRIOR TO OUR DECISION.
SO IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE, UM, IF, IF COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION FOR WEEKLY RECYCLING, I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, UH, GIVE US FEEDBACK.
AND THEN IF THAT, IF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY FEEDBACK AND PEOPLE CONTACTED US, SHOWED UP AT THE MEETING AND SAID NO WAY, NO, HOW THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY AMEND THAT LEGISLATION ON WEDNESDAY TO, TO REMOVE IT AGAIN.
IT'S JUST, UM, MRS. WEBB AND MYSELF AND TWO DOGS.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING WORK.
THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE A WEEKLY RECYCLING.
SO, UH, I JUST THINK MY VOTE WOULD STILL BE FOR A WEEKLY RECYCLING, EVEN THOUGH IT COSTS AN ADDITIONAL DOLLAR.
I LIKE TO STICK WITH BIWEEKLY.
I DON'T EVEN HAVE A RECYCLING BIN.
YOU CAN SLAP MY HAND IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE JUST DON'T, WE DON'T GENERATE THAT MUCH TRASH.
WE HAVE HALF A CAN A WEEK, SO WE JUST HAVE THE REGULAR BIN.
SO, AND I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT DON'T DO THE RECYCLING.
SO THAT'S EXTRA ON THEIR BILL FOR SOMETHING THEY DON'T EVEN USE.
SO I'M THE, EVERY, EVERY OTHER WEEK MR. CAMPBELL, UH, ROB KING, IF WE WENT WITH BIWEEKLY ON THE RECYCLING AND THEN MIDWAY OF THE CONTRACT WANTED TO NEGOTIATE AND HAVE WEEKLY, IS THERE ANY PROVISION IN THE AGREEMENT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COST, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE RENEGOTIATING A CONTRACT AND BEING UNFAIR TO THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT BID IT'S IN YOUR CONTRACT.
IT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT WAY TO ANSWER OR YES, BASICALLY.
CAUSE IT'S, IT'S IT'S THE BID.
SO AGAIN, IT'S SO I AGREED WITH MR. OTTO AND I WANTED TO KEEP THE CHANGE AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN DURING THE FIRST YEAR WE LEARNED THAT MR. WEBB IS SPOT ON AND WE WANT TO MAYBE SURVEY OUR RESIDENTS, HAVE A TOWN HALL AND THEN CHANGE THE CONTRACT AND HAVE WEEKLY RECYCLING.
SO, UM, I'M FOR KEEPING THE CONTRACT AS A CONSISTENT MOVING FORWARD AS WE'VE APPRECIATED OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
MS. BAKER, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE IS BI-WEEKLY RECYCLING AND THAT'S WHAT I'M FOR IT.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BURN YOUR TRASH.
I'M JUST PUTTING THEM BACK TO THE PICKUP TRUCK AND PICKING DOWN MYSELF UP.
NO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD OPTION.
UM, BECAUSE IN THE RFP, IN THE, UM, UH, THAT, THAT WAS STATED IS THAT THIS COUNCIL NOT ONLY CAN BASE THINGS UPON MERIT,
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BUT IT CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK AND RENEGOTIATE BECAUSE IN THE RFP THAT WAS USED HERE IN 2013, DOES STILL PROVIDE THAT PROVISION, THAT AFTER THAT FIVE YEARS WE CAN DO THREE, ONE YEAR INCREMENTS AS WELL.SO I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL.
AND WITHIN THAT AGREEMENT TO DO THAT, AND AS LONG AS BOTH PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S A YEAR FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, RECYCLING CURRENT PANDEMIC AND A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN PRAY TO GOD WE'RE OUT OF THIS STUFF, UM, COULD BE DIFFERENT.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO ANALYZE IT.
MR. WEBB, MR. HILL, ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT COMPROMISE TO STAYING BI-WEEKLY TO KEEP IT, UM, UNIFORM THE WAY IT IS NOW, AND THEN MAYBE WE DO A REVIEW AND WE CERTAINLY CAN HOLD A TOWN HALL AND RECYCLING, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT WE DID WITH, UM, TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND SPEEDING AND KIND OF FIND OUT WHAT THE, OR THROUGH A SURVEY, WHAT THE MOOD OF THE CITY IS ON WEEKLY, WEEKLY.
MR. WEBB, MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, PROBABLY THE MR. ROGERS, THE LEGISLATION THAT WILL BE MOVING ON AFTER A SPECIAL MEETING, DOES THAT ALLOW US FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE JUST SELECTING RUNKEE ARE WE LOCKED INTO LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY WEEKLY OR WEEKLY RECYCLING OR ARE BEING ASKED TO MOVE ON THE SMELL AND DO WE HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE COULD DETERMINE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS? UM, I THINK YOU'D NEED TO CHOOSE THE SPECIFICS OF THE OPTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HIRE DRIVERS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE WEEKLY RECYCLING, UM, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE NUMBER OF DRIVERS, NUMBER OF TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK YOU'RE NAILING EVERYTHING DOWN SO THAT, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PLANNING IF WE WERE AT BIWEEKLY NOW.
AND THEN IF WE DECIDED LATER THAT WE NEEDED A WEEKLY, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO HAVE A TIMEFRAME OPEN, WHERE THEY COULD HIRE NEW DRIVERS AND, AND GET ALL THOSE THINGS IN, IN PLACE.
SO I THINK WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW NOW MOVING FORWARD AND CLARIFYING WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE WANTING, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THIS IS A HOT TOPIC.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA MAKE THIS DECISION SOON.
BI-WEEKLY AND ACCOUNT ALL LATER, IF THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENCY I WILL ACQUIESCE MR. HILL, IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO YOU, SIR? I WILL SAY THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. ROGERS, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FOR MONDAY? YEAH, IT'S GOING TO FALL ON SCOTT IN TERMS OF DRAFTING THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION.
UM, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, SCOTT WE'D NEED THAT BY THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW IN ORDER TO HAVE THE 24 HOUR ADVANCED NOTICE, I WOULD SAY GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETING, BUT, UM, I, I I'VE GOT IT AND WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL ON THAT AND WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING READY TOMORROW.
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION FROM ONE FROM EVERYBODY.
UM, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, SO THANK YOU.
[ Waynetowne Court - Land Lease]
F IS THE WAYNE TOWN COURT LAND LEASE MCCALSKY OKAY.OH, THAT WAS PAINFUL TALENT COURT LAND LEASE.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, COUNCIL, UH, A LITTLE WHILE AGO THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THERE'S PROPERTY AT WAYNE TOWN COURT THAT, UH, A GENTLEMAN REACHED OUT TO THE CITY SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO MARKET THE PROPERTY, HAD NO LUCK WITH IT AND WAS CURIOUS IF THE CITY HAD ANY INTEREST IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
WE ALSO HAD PRESENTATION IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF OUR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, UM, OF SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS THAT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL AND THIS LAND LOOKED LIKE A GOOD LOCATION OF, UH, FOR THAT POTENTIAL, UH, NEW BUILDING.
UM, AND, UH, THIS IS ALSO NEXT TO SOME PROPERTY THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN THAT IS LOCATED ON, UH, WILDCAT ROAD.
SO IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TO, FOR THAT, UH, LOCATION, UM, THIS OPPORTUNITY CAME UP TO ALLOW FOR A LAND LEASE AND, UH, A CONTRACT THAT WOULD BE $1 A YEAR.
THE TAXES ARE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $11,000 PER YEAR.
UM, THE, UH, THE ONE PARCEL FRONTS OUT ON TO, UH, WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD, THE OTHER PARCEL FRONTS OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ANALYSIS FOR THAT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
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UM, AND THIS WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR, UH, POTENTIAL LEASE AT ANY TIME WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASE IF, UH, WE COME UP WITH THAT FINAL DESIGN AND FINAL WAY OF GOING FORWARD.UM, SO TH THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, TO BE THE FINAL COST OF THIS IS A $427,850.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD BE AT THE END OF THAT FIVE YEARS, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE ENDED UP GOING.
UM, SO, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD WITH AND, UH, IT COULD BE ON MONDAY'S MEETING.
MS. BAKER, WHERE THERE BACK TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY? THEY ARE CURRENT ON THEIR TAXES.
AND THEN, UM, CAN YOU HAVE AN AREA MAP BEFORE WE MAKE A VOTE ON MONDAY? IS THAT POSSIBLE, OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TONIGHT? THERE WAS IN THE PACKET OR MAYBE IT WASN'T IN THE PACKET.
UM, I DO, LET ME SHARE IT ON THE SCREEN.
IT'S SURROUNDING PENN STATION AND DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THE OTHER SIDE BACK IN TOWN, IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE OF DOCTOR OFFICES THERE TOO.
IT GOES BACK BEHIND THEIR PIECE THAT COMES ON HOW MUCH WOOD GRASS CUTTING.
AND IS THAT THE ONLY OTHER MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY? THAT WOULD BE MINIMAL BECAUSE IT'D BE DONE BY OUR, UH, CRUISE GROUP.
OKAY, GOOD THERE? YEAH, THE T-SHAPED.
AND SO THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN CURRENTLY IS THIS BEHIND IT RIGHT HERE, AND WOULD HAVE THAT CONNECTION SO WE CAN MAKE A CONNECTION.
IF WE ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS LATER OUT TO WILD CATS, PROBABLY NOT.
THERE IS A, A HEAVY GRADE CHANGE, UM, UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN EASY TRANSITION.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE'LL SAY, PUT A SALT BARN OR SOMETHING BACK ON, UH, PART OF THE PIECE THAT WE CURRENTLY OWN, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND THEN, UM, THAT PIECE THAT IS LOCATED DOWN THAT FRONTS ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, IF WE DON'T NEED THAT FOR OUR OWN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SELL OFF, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
MR. CAMPBELL, SCOTT, WE HAVE AN AGREED PURCHASE PRICE.
AND IF THE CITY ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY, NOT FOR A RESELL WITH THERE, BE ANY WAY TO ELIMINATE THE PROPERTY TAX.
AT ANY TIME THAT WE TAKE THAT AS FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, UM, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE TAXES CAN BE.
SO WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE THE APPETITE TO PURCHASE THAT CITY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE? WHY WOULDN'T WE ELIMINATE PAIN $11,000? SURE.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, COME UP WITH THOSE PLANS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, AND PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL.
UM, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST DON'T DO FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF, UH, GETTING RID OF THOSE TAXES.
SO THAT'D BE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT IN A FUTURE MEETING BAKER.
ARE THERE ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME? THERE'S NO DEED RESTRICTIONS.
THERE'S A COUPLE EASEMENTS, THERE'S SOME UTILITIES THAT ARE NOT ANY ISSUE WITH DEVELOPMENT.
WE WOULD BE OUR THOUGHT IS TO POTENTIALLY PUT A PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING ON IT.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
DOES THAT FIT IN WELL WITH THE SURROUNDING, DO YOU FEEL, UM, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT MIDDLETON COURT, WHICH IS JUST DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, THAT IS SOMETHING
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THAT WAS ON THAT STUDY THAT WE DID THAT, UH, THAT IS INDUSTRIAL AREA OVER THERE.UM, THIS, OUR BUILDINGS WOULD BE OFFICE.
LIKE THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT FOR THE FRONT PART AND THEN HAVE SOME OF THE GARAGE AREAS BACK IN THE BACK.
SO, UH, WE DO FEEL THAT IT, UH, IT DOES FIT IN THAT AREA STORAGE UNITS WERE JUST APPROVED ACROSS THE STREET, UH, IN THIS AREA.
SO WE DO FEEL THAT THAT'S A GOOD LOCATION THAT, UH, CAN ACCESS, UH, DIRECTLY UP TO THE HIGHWAY OR CAN WALK THROUGH SOUTH FROM HERE.
UM, AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT DIRECTLY NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, AS WELL.
SO WE BELIEVE IT FITS MR. SHAWN, THANK YOU.
UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, I DO LIKE THAT AREA, UM, UH, ESPECIALLY THAT, THAT PIECE FOR THEIR BANK THERE, BECAUSE JUST ADJACENT TO THAT WAS THE FORMER VINE BROOKS, UM, CONSTRUCTION GARAGE, UM, WHICH IS NOW BEING USED FOR LORD KNOWS WHAT, UM, A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, UM, AND TRUCK PARKING EITHER WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN SITTING UNDEVELOPED WELL, NEARLY EVER.
UM, AND, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN, UH, CLOSE TO NON-EXISTENT ON THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON A CONVERSATION, UM, UH, JUST MOMENTS AGO FROM MR. CAMPBELL.
IF, IF WE, THIS COUNCIL, IF CITY ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO IS PUTTING IN THE WORK AND THE EFFORT NOW, UM, AND WE ARE EYEING THAT BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, UH, FOR THAT PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING.
WHY ARE WE NOT ACQUIRING IT NOW AND SAVING THE MONEY AND GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING A PIN IN THAT PROJECT AND GETTING THEM MOVING? UM, BECAUSE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE DON'T DO THAT, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW WITH THIS AGREEMENT, WE'RE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES, AM I CORRECT? YES.
SO IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S WISH, THEN WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT PURCHASING THAT AND TWO FOLDS ON THAT BECAUSE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT ACREAGE IS NOT ONLY BIG ENOUGH FOR WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A DESIRED PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, BUT ADDITIONAL ITEMS AS WELL.
UH, WHICH MEANS A PORTION OF THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, TURNED INTO, UH, SOME, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE A DEVELOPER MAY LIKE THAT PIECE, YOU KNOW, SITTING BACK BEHIND, UM, RAISED DRIVE-THROUGH ONCE BIG SANDY'S IS OPENED UP OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THE CITY MAY NOT NEED THAT ENTIRE PORTION, BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THAT ENTIRE PORTION.
I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION, UH, MAYOR THAT, UH, AT THIS COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION TONIGHT THAT WE ALLOW MR.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO PROCEED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
IF I MOVE THIS TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY? THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
I MEAN, I JUST FELT LIKE WE'D BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND I KNOW THE PLANS THERE WE'VE SEEN THE PRESENTATION.
I MEAN, NO TIME, LIKE THE PRESENT MR. CAMPBELL, SCOTT, WHAT IS THE PER-ACRE COST? 27, EIGHT 50 DIVIDED BY 4.8 89,000 AND CHANGE.
AND THAT PRICE CAME FROM THE TAX VALUES FROM THE COUNTY.
SO THAT'S A GOOD PRICE FOR THAT AREA? YES.
UH, I'M GOING TO SAY I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE OPTION RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED TO US CURRENTLY.
UM, UNTIL I ACTUALLY S COULD WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND SOME PLANS, SOME POTENTIAL LAYOUT OR WHAT WE MAY DO WITH IT.
I DON'T THINK I COULD PULL THE TRIGGER ON A PURCHASE RIGHT NOW.
I DO NOT HAVE THE APPETITE WITH AN UNKNOWN USE, BUT I'D BE, I'D BE FINE WITH LOCKING IT DOWN AND ACTUALLY GETTING IT UNDER OUR BELT SO WE CAN EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING ANYWHERE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE, BUT WHAT REALLY INTRIGUES ME IS EXPLORING A STREETS FACILITY
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THAT I THINK WE'VE NEEDED FOR PROBABLY DECADES.SO IF YOU DID RESEARCH, I THINK WE HAD A PRESENTATION ALREADY, CORRECT? YES.
SO I'M NOT FOR BUYING THE LAND EITHER, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, WITHOUT A PLAN, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE FOREVER PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER, BRINGING IT BACK TO US BECAUSE YOU ALREADY GAVE US A PRESENTATION ON THE STREETS FACILITY, RIGHT? YES.
AND HAVE YOU GUYS SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT LOCATION FOR STREETS FACILITY OR NO.
UM, SO WE CAN COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION ON THEM.
SO WAS THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS AN EXPERT SESSION TOO SOON FOR ME, OR DO WE GIVE YOU A MONTH TO PUT A FULL PLAN TOGETHER? AGAIN? I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY IS GOING ANYWHERE, BUT A FULL PRESENTATION.
YOU LET US KNOW WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME YOU NEED.
YOU LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE READY FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
UM, IF YOU NEED, IF YOU NEED ANOTHER TWO WEEKS OR, OR EITHER THE MONTH TO PUT SOMETHING FULL TOGETHER FOR COUNSEL, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GO AT IT THAT WAY.
BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE IF TH IF, IF THE DESIRE IS TO, IS TO BUILD THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE WOULDN'T BUY IT FOR ANY OTHER REASON.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING ON IT, WHY WOULDN'T WE BUY IT? AND THE ONLY REASON THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPTION TO COVER THE TAXES IS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ONE TO SELL IT TO AND CUTTING THE GRASS.
ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO CUT IT, YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY HOW MANY TIMES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT IT EACH YEAR, TIMES, FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, THAT, THAT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE STREETS DIVISION.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THAT INTO A STREETS FACILITY, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SINKING, NOT JUST LEASING THAT LAND AND NOT REALLY HAVING A PLAN PUT TOGETHER.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEND $11,000 FOR 12 MONTHS TO HAVE AN OPTION ON THAT.
CAUSE YOU DON'T NEED IT IN MY OPINION.
MR. WEBB, JUST BRIEFLY SCOTT TAX OBLIGATION PER YEAR ON THAT PARCEL AROUND 11,000, AROUND 11,000, 11,000 ERA.
AND IT'S $55,000 OVER, OVER THE OPTION.
AND IF YOU PUT A STREET'S FACILITY ON IT, IT'S HOW MUCH THE TEXAS IS THERE FOR THAT.
IF WE NEED A STREETS FACILITY AND WE DO.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE SCOTT WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, WEEK AND A HALF, YOU'LL LET ME KNOW WHAT YOUR TIMEFRAME IS ON WHEN YOU'LL BE READY TO HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR COUNCIL.
[ MOU - DDC Management, LLC - Single Family Home Subdivision - Chambersburg Road]
UP AS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE MOU FOR DDC MANAGEMENT LOC SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISION CHAMBERSBURG ROOMS. HELLO, SIR.HOW ARE YOU? I'M WELL, MR. MAYOR, HOW ABOUT YOUR, THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US.
WE TRY, WE TRY MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
UH, YOU HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT, A PROPOSED MOU WITH A DDC MANAGEMENT DDC IS THE FIRM AS THE DEVELOPMENT FIRM THAT IS FINISHING OUT LEXINGTON PLACE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG.
UH, THIS MOU IS TO SET THE STAGE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG FOR 283, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BEGIN, UH, THE PROCESS OF ASSEMBLING WHAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THEIR PROJECT HAPPEN ON SCHEDULE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, STARTING IN FIRST QUARTER 2022, UH, THE TOTAL AGREEMENT SO FAR THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER THE COMPONENTS OF THIS MOU, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN THE FIRST 30 YEARS OF THE PROJECT, UH, 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY'S COFFERS AND, UH, THE POTENTIAL TO FREE UP ANOTHER $5.4 MILLION, UH, CURRENTLY ASSIGNED THROUGH THE LEXINGTON PLACE TIF.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO ADOPT THIS MOU SO THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN BEGIN WITH, THEY NEED TO DO, WE CAN TURN THIS DOCUMENT OVER TO THE LAW DIRECTOR, UH, SO THEY CAN BEGIN.
HE CAN BEGIN PREPARING THE FORMAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT COUNCIL WILL SEE AGAIN HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO THAT IS OUR REQUEST PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS.
I MEAN, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING OF THE SITES, UM, AND GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FIRST.
SO THE MOU, THIS PROVIDES THEM AT LEAST AN ASSURETY THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND WE AGREE TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND THEY CAN START THEIR WORK.
AND THEN JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE MOU IS NOT BINDING AND YOU'LL HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'LL COME IN THE FUTURE FOR FINAL DETAILS.
QUESTIONS, MR. SHELTON, THANK YOU, MARY.
UM, AS WITH THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, NOT ONLY WITHIN MY WARD, BUT WITHIN, UH, LEXINGTON PLACE.
UM, I AM, UH, UH, FULLY ON BOARD, UH, WITH ENDORSING AND MOVING FORWARD THIS MOU.
HOWEVER, I HAVE ONE REQUEST AS I MADE PREVIOUSLY, UM,
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AS THIS CONTINUES, UM, EITHER MYSELF, UM, DEFINITELY I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CAP, UH, BE KEPT UP TO SPEED ON ANY DEVELOPMENT AS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS MOVE FORWARD AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH, AND THE PACKET I'VE HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS RESIDENTS DOWN THERE AND WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UP TO SPEED AS MUCH AS THEY ARE UP TO SPEED COMMUNICATION IS SUCCESS.SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN KEEP COMMUNICATING WITH THOSE THAT ARE DOWN THERE AND ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT EASIER PROCESS.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME ISSUES BEFORE JUST THIS YEAR.
SO I DEFINITELY WANTED TO STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THAT.
SO I'VE HAD A FEW RESIDENTS IN LEXINGTON PLACE REACHED OUT TO ME, NOT IN REGARD TO THIS, BUT THEIR QUESTIONS WERE AS THAT'S KIND OF FILLING UP DOWN THERE, LOTS OF MORE FAMILIES, LOTS OF MORE YOUNGER KIDS.
UH, THE ISSUE WITH THE SCHOOL, NOT PROVIDING BUS IN, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF KIDS WALKING UP INTO WISE AND BORN AND GETTING TO THOSE OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO I JUST KINDA WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, AT LEAST WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE HERE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THIS ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING AND UPGRADES TO THAT PORTION OF CHAMBERSBURG THAT WOULD INCLUDE SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD, WOULD REDEVELOP CHAMBERSBURG COMING UP THERE WHERE, UM, WE DON'T WHERE THOSE, WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY WALK ON THE SIDEWALK DOWN THE STREET.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THAT REVENUE.
WE ALL KNOW THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SOME OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE GEARED TOWARD TO, TO UPGRADE THAT WHOLE AREA.
UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL, UH, COUNSEL HAD BEEN BRIEFED ABOUT THE CHAMBERSBURG IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE FROM THE WEST LIMIT, UH, OVER TO THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL TURN LANE DOWN THE MIDDLE, AS WELL AS THE, UH, REC MULTI-USE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO PART OF THIS PROJECT, ONE OF THE MOU POINTS IS THE PETITION OF ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY'S SHARE OF THAT PROJECT.
SO THAT WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO COMMENCE THIS PROJECT WITH A GRANT FUNDING FROM THE STATE, OUR PORTION WILL COME FROM THIS PROJECT TO HELP MAKE THAT CONNECTION AS WELL.
SO WE HAD, WE HAVE TRIED TO BE THOUGHTFUL IN THE REQUESTS THAT WE MADE TO THE DEVELOPER TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD THE RESOURCES TO IMPROVE THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR FOR EVERYONE WHO, WHO LIVES OVER IN THAT AREA.
AND I KNOW, SO WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO US IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO I'M JUST TO THE POINT NOW DISCUSSING IT PUBLICLY.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE, AS WE START BUILDING ON PROJECT AFTER PROJECT OR PROJECT, LET ME START TALKING ABOUT CITY FINANCIALS AND KIND OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.
I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I THINK THIS IS AS THIS PROJECT, NOT THE, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD IMPROVEMENT THAT THE FUNDING FROM THAT IS GOING TO BE IN LARGE PORTION TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER BIG OUTLAY OF, OF CASH.
THIS IS, THIS FUNDING IS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE TO HELP US MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT ALL ON THE WHOLE AREA OF CHAMBERSBURG, WHICH IS CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
THE ADDITIONAL PIECE ON THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CHAMBERSBURG AND IMPROVEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE KIND OF BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SETTLING THAT, UH, AND WITH THIS MOU, UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, HOWEVER, IT'S NEIGHBORING, UM, QUAIL RIDGE.
UM, COUPLE OF RESIDENTS ASKED ME ABOUT THAT, UM, SAY, HEY, IS THAT STILL MOVING FORWARD? THERE'S BEEN SOME, YOU KNOW, PLANS THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, PULLED SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE, UH, TO PROVIDE ON THAT? UH, I CAN, UH, THAT'S ON THE NEXT, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR A MAJOR CHANGE.
AND THEN THERE'S A QUESTION OF, OKAY.
W WHAT DO YOU MEAN TO MAKE A CHANGE? UM, THEY, AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS STONY CREEK, THEY DID SOME SOIL BORINGS THERE AND FOUND UNREPAIRABLE ROCK THAT, UM, IT JUST, NO THEY'RE LIKE KRYPTONITE OR SOMETHING BENTONITE IS OKAY.
STONY CREEK GOT ITS NAME VERY HONEST.
SO THEIR PLAN IS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY, THE, THE SOUTHERN SIDE STAYING EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO THIS REDUCES THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING.
UH, SO THEY'RE COMING BACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT WE'LL COME BACK THROUGH IT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION GIVE OR TAKE, I CAN'T THINK OF THE TIME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD YET.
I BELIEVE THE WAY OUR SCHEDULE IS A PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT TUESDAY, THEN I BELIEVE IT IS, UH, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AFTER THAT, THAT IT'LL HIT COUNSELING.
SEE NO MORE QUESTIONS, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING US ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
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NEXT UP IS THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY.HE SAYS IN HIS ACTION COMMISSION.
UH, THIS WAS A DISCUSSION THAT, UM,
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EDIT ASKED TO HAVE PUT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.SO I WILL, UM, TURN IT OVER TO HIM AND LET HIM START THE DISCUSSION.
UH, MAYOR, DID YOU CALL ON ME? YES, WE'RE ON THE, UH, ITEM EIGHT, TWITCHES THE CULTURE.
HE SAYS ACTION COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
SOMETIMES IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR ON THE VIDEO, BUT, UH, RESOLUTION 69, 83, UH, THAT WE PASSED EARLIER.
UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL 1ST OF THIS YEAR.
IT'S SECTION FOUR, PROMOTING EQUITY IN ALL ASPECTS OF LOCAL GOVERNING, INCLUDING LEADERSHIP, STAFFING, TRAINING, AND CONTRACTING, UM, MAYOR.
UM, HAVE WE DISCUSSED, UH, THAT IMPACT ON STAFFING TRAINING AND CONTRACTING AS YET? NOPE.
THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS HERE.
THE SAME THING THAT WAS THOUGHT, AND SECTION SIX STATES, THE CITY COUNCIL OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS COMMITTED TO RECEIVING REGULAR AND UPDATES FROM CITY STAFF AS DIRECTED ON THE PROGRESS BEING MADE CONCERNING THE COMMITMENTS MADE IN THIS RESOLUTION.
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO TALK, UH, MAKE STATEMENTS.
AND THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL VOTED ON.
HAVE WE DIRECTED STAFF AS TO, UM, WHEN WE WANT REGULAR REPORTS AND UPDATES? NOPE.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, FIRST THAT YOU REQUEST IT.
I HADN'T THOUGHT SO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COVER THE BASIS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, THIS ISSUE ON THE WORK SESSIONS GOING FORWARD AS A STANDARD, UH, ITEM, UH, UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN, UM, RESOLVE THESE, UM, TOPICS AND THEREFORE, UH, PUT IT, UH, PUT IT INTO A ONCE A MONTH, ONCE A QUARTER, UH, SEMI ANNUALLY, UH, REPORTS, UH, BASED ON THE WILL OF COUNCIL.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE, THESE ARE THE TOPICS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
UH, SINCE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS SINCE APRIL 1ST, I'D LIKE TO, UM, GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN GET REPORTS, UM, EACH, UH, WORK SESSION GOING FORWARD FROM STAFF TO SEE HOW THIS IS IMPLEMENTED.
IF THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED IMPLEMENTING THESE, UM, THE PROCESS, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO HEAR THOSE REPORTS.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF DISCUSSING THIS EVENING.
IS THERE, UM, SO I KNOW WE'VE STILL TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE, UM, THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
HOW DOES THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UM, THE COMMISSION TO GET, LIKE, WHERE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE KIND OF LIKE THE NEXT BIG THING.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, WITH THE RESOLUTION, BUT I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF EMPHASIS PLACED ON THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
DO YOU, DO YOU, DOES STAFF NEED THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THAT INTO WHAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION OR, UH, ARE WE PREPARED TO START ADDING THIS TO THE WORK SESSION AND START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE THINGS? SO HOW DO YOU SEE THAT MOVING FORWARD? SO I CAN GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FIRST PLEASES, UH, THERE, THERE IS A COMMISSION MEETING ON THURSDAY, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION IS THEIR NEEDS ASSESSMENT FROM THAT THAT'LL BE PRESENTED BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, RFQ.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT STANDS IS, UH, WAITING FOR THEIR MEETING ON THURSDAY.
SO, UM, THAT CAN BE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT WILL PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION.
UH, ONCE THAT PROCESS GETS THROUGH ABOUT, UH, WHAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UM, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE HIRING PRACTICES, CONTRACTING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
SO THAT IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
UM, ALSO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER MEETINGS WITH, UH, SUB COMMITTEES.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE CHIEF, AND I SAT DOWN AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT PROCESS ABOUT SOME OF HOW THE POLICE WORKS, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HOW, UM, THINGS CAN BE DONE BETTER.
WHAT IS THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, UM, ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO WORKING OUT PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ABOUT.
WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S BEING SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW.
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UM, PART OF THAT IS ALSO DISCUSSING, UM, COMPLAINT PROCESS THAT IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE A COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER, UM, OR SOMETHING THAT IS DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT IS THE REASONABLE PROCESS AND HOW THE COMMISSION CAN HELP WITH THAT AS BEING A LIAISON? UH, SOMEBODY MAY HAVE A FEAR OF GOING THAT, HEY, I WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING A POLICE OFFICER DID, AND MY OUTLET IS TO COMPLAIN TO THE POLICE, RIGHT? UH, SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.AND, UH, THAT'S AS THE COMMISSION ITSELF OF BEING THAT LIAISON.
AND THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS AND HOW THEY CAN, UH, HELP WITH THAT.
UM, THERE, UH, THE, THE CITIES RIGHT NOW, WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION ON THAT MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL, UM, AND HELPING WITH GETTING, UH, SOME OF THE VENDOR FORMS AND SETTING UP, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE, UH, EVERYTHING PROPER UP AT THE OCCUPY BARKER FOR THAT EVENT.
SO THAT'S IN THE WORKS, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED AT THEIR MEETING ON THURSDAY, UH, TO FINALIZE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THEY'RE OUT LOOKING FOR, UH, AM'S AND, UH, VENDORS, ALL OF THAT.
THEY HAVE TWO COMMUNITY FORUMS SCHEDULED.
UM, AND SO I DON'T HAVE DATES FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, FOR, UH, I GUESS, UH, THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS ON HAVING A VENUE FOR THAT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS AND ALSO A ONE MORE, UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON A POLICY OF HOW RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD WORK SO THAT WHEN THE COMMISSION COMES UP WITH THIS IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STANDARD, A POLICY OF HOW THAT WORKS TO SUBMIT TO STAFF, TO CITY COUNCIL.
THEN WE'RE DOING THINGS A STANDARD WAY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS PRESENTED, UM, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S BEING TAKEN CARE OF SCOTT.
IS THERE ANY REASON AT ALL THAT ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WOULD BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE NOT FULLY SUPPORTED BY THIS COUNCIL? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I MEAN, IN PASSING THE RESOLUTION I THINK WAS, WAS A BIG STEP AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE KIND OF THEIR FIRST ISSUE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
I DO THINK THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS, IS IMPORTANT.
I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD MONTHS AGO REGARDING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS AN RFP OR AN RFQ PROCESS.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN WITH THEM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO KNOW THEY'RE FULLY SUPPORTED BY THIS COUNCIL.
NO ONE IS KNOWING I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE HAS GIVEN THEM ANY REASON TO SUSPECT OTHERWISE, ARE THEY HAPPY WITH, IN THAT PROCESS? AND WHAT YOU'RE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ARE THEY SATISFIED AND HAPPY WITH WHERE THE CITY IS AT HELPING THEM MOVE SOME OF THESE INITIATIVES FORWARD AND ARE, ARE WE NOT MEETING THEIR EXPECTATIONS IN ANY WAY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE OR IMMEDIATELY START DOING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT ITEMS THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT OR BEEN INVOLVED IN? I HAVE HEARD THAT THEY ARE HAPPY APPRECIATIVE OF THE STEPS THAT WE ARE TAKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO THAT THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WEBSITE THERE, THE, UH, THE STATEMENT WITH THE LINK TO THE RESOLUTION IS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEBSITE.
SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH SOME OF THESE ITEMS. AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, WITH SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE DIFFERENT SUB COMMITTEES, UH, WE ARE COMING TO, UH, POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AND, UH, GOOD DISCUSSIONS.
SO, BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING DOES COME UP, RECOMMENDATIONS MADE, AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT IN COUNCIL AGREES, WE GOT TO SEE THE, WE GOT TO SEE ACTION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT, UM, THAT COMMISSION NEEDS TO SEE IS THEY KNOW WHEN SOMETHING IS BEING DONE OR SOMETHING IS ASKED OF COUNCIL THAT, THAT WE MOVE AND THAT WE TAKE ACTION AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYTHING IS JUST, JUST ONE MORE ITEM OR ONE MORE ITEM.
SO, UH, MY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU AND MEMBERS OF THE GROUP, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE SATISFIED AND WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.
SO I GUESS I'D ASK, UM, YOU HAD, ARE THERE THINGS THAT I KNOW YOU BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANSWERED OR THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SPECIFICALLY THAT, THAT STAFF ADDRESS AT EACH WORK SESSION, OR, UM, ARE YOU OKAY IF WE WORK ON THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THEN START DEVELOPING WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO BASED ON
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THE RESULTS OF THE ASSESSMENT, AND THEN, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANTED THIS, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLEAR AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL THIS AS WELL.UM, YES, MAYOR, I THINK THAT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP, BUT I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, GET THE CONVERSATION GOING AS FAR AS INFORMATION FIND OUT, UM, HOW THIS IS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY AND THEN, UH, MAKING DECISIONS AS WE GO FORWARD.
AND THEN, UH, WHEN THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE, CERTAINLY THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT WILL BE BACKED BY THEN.
AND, UH, THAT CAN REINFORCE THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
AND, UH, THAT MAY SOUND A LITTLE BIT PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT THE DISCUSSION AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE WILL GATHER IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME WILL DEFINITELY HELP US AND AID US IN MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS WHEN THOSE NEEDS ASSESSMENTS COME IN.
SO FOR, UM, AN UPDATE FROM STAFF ON, LET'S JUST SAY STAFFING, UH, SCOTT DO, WHEN WE HIRE, UH, DO WE HAVE AN OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR MINORITIES IN ORDER TO, UM, BRING THEM IN AND HAVE THEM COMPETITIVE FOR POSITIONS IN THE CITY? WE HAVE STATEMENTS IN OUR ADVERTISEMENTS, UM, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MINORITIES, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGED TO APPLY THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, AND THAT, THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH THE COMMISSION ON, UM, WHAT DIFFERENT THINGS COULD LOOK LIKE AND MAKING SURE WE'RE HITTING ALL THE AVENUES OF WHERE TO ADVERTISE, TO REACH THE MOST PEOPLE AND TO BE ABLE TO GET, UH, THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND, UH, THAT WE ARE REACHING MINORITIES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE INTERESTED IN.
AND IN SOME AREAS, I KNOW WE HAVE RECRUITING, UM, INITIATIVES, UH, RECRUITING, I WOULDN'T SAY NECESSARILY PASSION IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT A RECRUITING FOCUS BY AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I DON'T THINK OUR RECRUITING EFFORT IS, UM, BEING AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE WOULD'VE LIKED.
I KNOW THAT, UH, THE FORMER CITY MANAGER, UM, HAD PUT OUT FOR EXTERNAL, UH, HIRING OF THE FIRE CHIEF, UM, INFORMATION GOING BOTH WAYS FROM STAFF TO COUNCIL, A MAYOR.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE OTHER POSITIONS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WERE PUT OUT FOR EXTERNAL ADVERTISEMENT FOR BATTALION CHIEFS AND LIEUTENANTS ON DOWN THE LINE THAT, THAT I DON'T KNOW.
AND, AND IT'S NOT A CRITICISM CERTAINLY, AND IT'S NOT INTENDED AS SUCH.
IT'S JUST, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW GOING FORWARD WHEN WE GET TO, UM, THE DECISION MAKING TIME ON HOW WE GO.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION, AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UH, ONE OTHER SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, UM, AND WE MENTIONED TRAINING, BUT I'LL GO TO CONTRACTING, UH, SCOTT WHEN WE DO CONTRACTS.
UM, AND THERE'S A CALCULATION FROM STAFF IT'S GOTTA BE DONE LEGALLY.
UH, OF COURSE, UM, IS THERE A PREFERENCE FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES IN OUR CONTRACT AWARDS? AND SO THAT, THAT TOPIC ITSELF, UM, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I REACHED OUT, UH, WITH OUR ALL DIRECTOR AND THAT'S BEING RESEARCHED RIGHT NOW ABOUT HOW DO YOU UPDATE OUR CONTRACTING STANDARDS, UM, THAT CAN WE ALLOW FOR CERTAIN POINTS FOR LOCAL POINTS FOR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT IS BEING RESEARCHED RIGHT NOW, UM, TO UPDATE OUR STANDARDS.
AND I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD, AND THE NUMBER FIVE POINTS COMES TO MIND, BUT I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD A FIVE POINT PREFERENCE IN OUR CALCULATION FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
SO, UM, IF ALL BIDS AND ALL THINGS WERE EQUAL, A FIVE POINT BUMP FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS MIGHT TIP THE CONTRACTING TO A LOCAL BUSINESS FAVOR.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEMBERS ON COUNCIL, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT, UH, ENJOY THAT PREFERENCE.
HAVE WE USED THAT BEFORE IN THE PAST? I SEEM TO REMEMBER WE HAVE, UM, IT'S NOT A STANDARD
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THAT'S ON EVERY BID, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST ON A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, DEPENDS ON WHAT THE BID WAS, WHETHER THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT LOCAL, THAT YES, WE HAVE USED IT IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, A STANDARD PRACTICE ON EVERYTHING.AND CERTAINLY NOT EVERY CONTRACT, UM, WE HAVE BUSINESS FOR IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO TAKING THAT POINT, SCOTT, UH, IN OUR CONTRACTS, DO WE HAVE A, A SIMILAR FIVE-POINT PREFERENCE FOR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES? WE CURRENTLY DO NOT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS HAVING THE LAW DIRECTOR LOOK INTO.
AND MAYOR, UH, THAT'S UH, THE POINT I WAS DRIVING TO ON THIS IS THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN IN THE FUTURE.
CERTAINLY NO DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE TONIGHT BY, UH, HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH, UH, A POINT PREFERENCE FOR LOCAL CONTRACTS, UH, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, GETTING BEHIND, UM, UH, MINORITY ISSUES IN THE CITY, UH, APPOINT PREFERENCE FOR MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES AS WELL.
UH, CERTAINLY COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND CONTRACTING, BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, REALLY FOCUS ON AND, UH, HELP THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
SCOTT, HOW WOULD THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT ADDRESS THE THREE ITEMS THAT MR. LYONS BROUGHT UP? WOULD IT ADDRESS THEM AT ALL? I BELIEVE THOSE ITEMS ARE PART OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT, ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD COME BACK WITH, UM, FROM THAT RFQ AND FROM THOSE STUDIES, UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD ANSWER THOSE.
SO MR. LYONS RECOMMENDED A STANDING ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSIONS AND THEN GAVE THREE EXAMPLES WHAT THOSE COULD BE.
AND THOSE THREE ITEMS YOU BELIEVE ARE GOING TO SOMEONE, IF NOT ENTIRELY BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS BEING DISCUSSED AND FINALIZED IN THE COMMITTEE.
YES, THEY'RE DISCUSSING IN THE COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND ONCE IT'S PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT'LL PROBABLY NEED LEGISLATION AND A CONTRACT WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY HIRE SOMEONE TO HELP US DO THAT.
UM, IT'LL BE TO THE REQUEST TO DO THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND THEN ULTIMATELY HIRE, AFFIRM TO PROVIDE THAT.
SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT, THAT WON'T BE COVERED IN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WE'LL HAVE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FIRST BROUGHT IN PRESENTED BACK TO US WHEN, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT MIGHT BE LONGER THAN THAT.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO, I MEAN, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION ON HOW THEY'RE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
SO THE FIRST STEP IS TO, AND IF I SAID SOMETHING FUNNY OR WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE THAT DID CAUSE I'M TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUS, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND IS THERE ANY LAG IN TIME OR ARE WE DRAGGING OUR FEET OR ARE WE MOVING FORWARD? AND BASED ON THE TIME TIMING THAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING, MEANING THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS A AT THEIR SCHEDULED MEETING THAT, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, WE WILL TAKE THAT INFORMATION PREGNANT COUNSEL AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE SESSION TO DISCUSS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RFQ.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE NEXT THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS A COUNCIL, SINCE THE RESOLUTION.
IN FACT, SO ROBIN, I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND WE HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO AFFIRM THAT WE KIND OF, WE CURRENTLY USED, UH, TO HELP BRING THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT FORTH AND, AND THEY WEREN'T OKAY WITH THAT.
THEY WANTED TO FIND THEIR OWN FIRM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT TRANSITION HAD HAPPENED.
SO, UH, AND SO ROB WAS HERE, HE MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL AGREED TO LET THE COMMISSION HANDLE THAT RFQ PROCESS ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED TO BE ABLE TO DO.
UM, I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT AFTER OUR EFFORT OF GETTING ON THE AGENDA AND GETTING PASSED A RESOLUTION
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THAT WE'RE NOT IN ANY WAY SLOWING ANYTHING DOWN AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE.I DO NOT BELIEVE WE ARE OKAY IN, IN A MONTH OR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UH, THERE SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION TO US BY THE COMMISSION, THE COMMITTEE, UM, TO, FOR THE, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, RFQ WITH, I WOULD BE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
ASSUMING THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY
SO MR. SHAWL, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, SCOTT, UH, AS A PART OF, UH, UH, MY WORK WITH THE NLC AND THE RACE AND EQUITY, UM, REAL COUNCIL, UM, A LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, AS KIND OF STORED, UM, OUT ON SHAREPOINT.
AND I, I THINK WE HAD A SMALL CONVERSATION OR AT LEAST A NOTICE OF THIS, UM, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THEM ACCESS TO THAT SHAREPOINT SITE? UM, OR AT LEAST THE ONE THAT WAS CREATED, UM, THAT I HAVE THAT HAS A LOT OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND RESOURCE GUIDES, UM, AND SOME INTERACTIVE MAPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, I HAVE EMAILED OVER SINGLE DOCUMENTS TO SOME OF THE, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO'VE ASKED THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REAL GOOD, UM, TOOL TO HAVE THAT ENTIRE COMMISSION, UM, UTILIZE THAT AS I'M BRINGING THAT INFORMATION NATIONALLY, UM, IN, AND AGAIN, PROVIDING INFORMATION BACK, UM, AT THE COMMISSION'S REQUEST, I WILL LOOK INTO THE LOGISTICS.
JUST A QUICK MECHANICS QUESTION OR QUESTIONING THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE IT'S WE HAVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ZONING VETERANS COMMITTEE CULTURE, AND THERE ARE CITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE PROCESS? IS IT THE SAME FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONS TO BRING STUFF TO US OR IS EACH ONE HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS? THAT'S THE PROCESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT, UM, IN, IN GENERAL, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ANYTHING THAT IS BEING REQUESTED FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO VOTE ON A RESOLUTION FOR LIKE THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND IF IT WAS, UH, JUMPED TO ANOTHER GROUP, ARSON BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, IF THEY HAD AN EVENT THEY WANTED TO DO, THAT'S GOING TO COST $25,000.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD COME AND PRESENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE'D HAVE A RESOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD, APPROPRIATE FUNDS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, YES, THAT'S THE SAME ITSELF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, UM, IN THE BUDGETING OR THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THE BUDGETING PROCESS, EACH OF THE COMMISSIONS HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT BUDGETED.
ONCE AGAIN, I'LL GO TO ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION.
THERE IS A BUDGET AND A MAP, EXCUSE ME, THAT, UH, THEY DON'T NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR MOVIE NIGHTS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO EVERY YEAR.
UM, AND I, I FORESEE IT'S SIMILAR WITH LIKE THE, UM, THE CULTURAL COMMISSION THAT THEY'RE THE EVENTS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING RIGHT NOW, UM, COULD BE YEARLY ANNUAL THINGS.
SO THAT'LL BE IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S THE, SO THE THINGS THAT WERE NOT BUDGETED FOR THE YEAR BEFORE OR LARGE TICKET ITEMS, THAT WILL BE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION.
AND WITH LEGISLATION, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SAME PROCESS AND THE SAME ACCESS.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS SO LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE DIVERSITY COMMISSION WAS FORMED, WE REALLY WEREN'T SURE WHAT ALL THEY WERE GOING TO NEED.
YOU KNOW, SO AS SOME OF THOSE THINGS CAME UP LIKE FOR THE REST OF THE CONTEST.
AND SO THINGS WERE THE MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL.
SO WE, WE APPROPRIATED MONEY IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL TO ADD MONEY TO THAT BUDGET AS WE MOVE IN FURTHER THIS YEAR, AND WE STARTED THE BUDGETING PROCESS, WE'LL NOW KNOW, HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR IT'S FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE.
SO THEN THEY'LL JUST BECOME PART OF THE BOOK, THE BUDGETING PROCESS.
IT'S JUST, IT WAS A NEW COMMISSION THIS YEAR.
WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT ALL THEY WERE GOING TO USE, WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
WE SUPPLEMENTED THE MONEY, THE APPROPRIATION, AND WE GIVE THEM MONEY TO DO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD EQUAL ACCESS AND OPPORTUNITY AND EQUITY AND BE ABLE TO COME AND TALK TO ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES.
[ Liquor Permit #5378960 - Pit Stop - 5701 Old Toy Pike]
THREE.I, THE LIQUOR PERMIT NUMBER FIVE, THREE 79, SIX ZERO FOR PITSTOP AND 57 OH ONE OLD DETROIT PIKE.
UH, THIS IS JUST A TRANSFER OF A LIQUOR PERMIT AT THIS LOCATION FOR THE PITS STOPPED DRIVE
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THROUGH.UM, THEY'RE JUST, UH, ASKED TO TRANSFER THE LIQUOR PERMISSION OR PERMIT TO A NEW APPLICANT.
UM, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS, AND THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO THE TRANSFER OF THE LIQUOR PERMIT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION ON MONDAY TO JUST, UH, STATE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE TRANSFER OF THAT.
LIKE A PERMIT, ANY OBJECTIONS, CASEY, NOT LOSE THAT ONTO MONDAY.
[ City Liquor Permits - 2021 Annual Objections]
THREE J CITY LIQUOR PERMITS THE 2021 ANNUAL OBJECTIONS.EACH YEAR COUNCIL WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY BY THE OHIO DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL TO OBJECT TO ANY OF THE LIQUOR LICENSES EXIST WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, THIS YEAR'S OPPORTUNITY, UH, THE DEADLINE FOR FILING AN OBJECTION IS JUNE 2ND OF THIS YEAR.
UH, I HAVE, UH, SHARED THIS INFORMATION WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS AS WELL AS A CITY ADMINISTRATION.
AND, UM, THERE WAS NO DETERMINATION THAT THERE WAS A LIQUOR PERMIT THAT WE NEEDED TO OBJECT TO.
UH, THE ONLY ONE THAT CAME UP IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR WAS THE, UH, OLD, UH, KODIAK.
UH, IT'S BEEN UNDER SEVERAL DIFFERENT NAMES, UM, DOWN ON A BRAND PIKE.
UM, AND WE HAD A COUNCIL OF PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED AN OBJECTION TO THAT LIQUOR PERMIT.
UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR NOW.
UM, I KNOW, UH, MR. MCDONALD'S MADE SOME INQUIRIES, UH, TO THE HIGHER DIVISION OF LIQUOR CONTROL ABOUT WHERE THE STATUS THAT OBJECTION, UH, STANDS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE WITHDRAWN THEIR APPLICATION.
UH, THERE'S JUST REALLY NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, NOT REGARDING THE STATUS, HOWEVER, UM, YOU JUST NEED TO CONTINUE THAT OBJECTION SO THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD AND AS IT PROCEEDS, UM, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE WAIVING IT IF WE WOULD, IF THEY WOULD GRANT THE TRANSFER AND THEN YOU'D WANT TO OBJECT LATER, YOU'VE LOST THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO YOU JUST NEED TO CONTINUE AT EACH AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO OBJECT UNTIL THERE'S ACTUALLY A HEARING AND A DECISION.
SO TONY, CAN YOU GET US THE DETAILS OF THAT? I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR. MCDONALD A FEW DAYS AGO, AND IT WAS STILL UP IN THE AIR AS FAR AS, UH, THEY HAD NOT GOTTEN A REPLY FROM THEIR HIGH PROVISIONAL LIQUOR CONTROL.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE ACTION PRIOR TO THE JUNE 2ND DEADLINE.
SO WE JUST, SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS LONG AS IT'S STILL A COUNCIL'S WAYS TO KEEP OBJECTING TO THAT PERMIT, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT OBJECTION AGAIN THIS YEAR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? MR. SHAW IS SURE.
I DO HAVE SOME, SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UM, AND, AND SCOTT, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND I DON'T MIND PUTTING THESE, UH, INDIVIDUALS ON BLAST, BUT, UH, THEY'RE STILL OPERATING A FACILITY THERE.
UM, ARE THEY CURRENTLY SERVING NOW? I'LL BE HONEST.
UH, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY UPDATE ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE THAT DISCUSSION HAPPENS.
WHAT WAS THAT? SIX MONTHS AGO OR SO? YEAH, IT WAS PROBABLY HERE.
IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE, AS FAR AS I'M, I I'M, I AM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IS THIS ESTABLISHMENT CURRENTLY LEGAL, LEGALLY SERVING OR ILLEGALLY SERVING? AND TWO, I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE OBJECTION.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMINGLY THAT THIS COUNCIL SAID THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE THERE'S A PROBLEM AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE IT ADDRESSED.
UM, AND I BELIEVE TONY, WHEN WE FIRST HAD THE CONVERSATION, UM, THROUGH THE OBJECTION COMES A PROCESS WHERE THE CITY, UM, CAN PROVIDE MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD, IF NECESSARY, UM, TO SUSPEND OR WITHDRAWAL THAT LICENSE ENTIRELY IS THAT SOMEWHAT ACCURATE.
THE CITY WOULD GET A HEARING WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND OBJECT TO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE INITIAL OBJECTION.
UM, AGAIN, IN TALKING WITH MR. MCDONALD PART OF HIS DIRECTION TO SOME OF THE STAFF AT A P S N E WAS TO DETERMINE THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE LIQUOR LICENSE.
SO WE'D HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I THINK ALL PARTIES, THAT'S PRETTY UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT LICENSE THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER AND UNDER WHAT NAME THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER, UH, UNDER CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
CAUSE I, I, I WAS CONTACTED BY A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS.
UH, UM, THIS WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO.
I TRADED SOME CORRESPONDENCE WITH MR. MCDONALD, UM, BECAUSE, UM, I WAS NOTIFIED, UM, THAT THEY'RE OPERATING A, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS THERE.
UM, BUT IT WAS UNCLEAR IF THEY'RE SERVING ALCOHOL AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS THIS COUNCIL WHO'S OBJECTED TO THAT LICENSE, I THINK THAT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW.
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COMMENTS? OKAY.[ City Manager Search Process]
THREE K, WHICH IS THE SAME AS YOUR SEARCH PROCESS.UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PRIOR KIND OF WHAT THIS PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND, UH, COUNSEL HAD ASKED, UH, MR. ROGERS TO PUT TOGETHER OR LOOK FOR, UM, SOME OF THE SEARCH FIRMS OR TO START KIND OF WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE OR AN RFP FOR THE SEARCH FOR THE SEARCH FIRM.
SO, UH, I HAD, UH, I ASKED MR. ROGERS A PLACE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
SO WE COULD AT LEAST GET AN UPDATE ON THIS.
ROGER SAID YOU HAD LOOKED AT SOME GATHERED SOME PREVIOUS RFPS THAT CAN LOOK SAMPLES, RFPS THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED BY OTHER OHIO COMMUNITIES, UH, FOR EXECUTIVE FIRMS OF THIS NATURE.
UM, OUR NEIGHBOR AND COMMUNITY OF RIVERSIDE, UM, HAS ONE OUT CURRENTLY, UH, THE CITY MANAGER THERE IS ANNOUNCED THEIR RETIREMENT IN JULY.
AND SO, UM, THEY'RE ONE OF THE SAMPLES I HAVE, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL OTHERS.
UM, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS THE LAST TIME, I THINK THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AMONGST COUNCIL ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME FOR GOING FORWARD WITH THIS SEARCH.
UM, PEOPLE SPOKE TO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PERIODS OF TIME THAT THEY THOUGHT WE SHOULD INITIATE THIS.
UM, AT THIS TIME I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS TO WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAFT OF A RFP, IF THAT'S STILL THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN.
AND, UM, IF, SO, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO MOVE TO IN THE SOMEWHAT NEAR FUTURE, I WOULD GO ABOUT, UH, CUSTOMIZING THOSE SAMPLE RFPS TO OUR CITY, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO ME ABOUT COMPONENTS THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A PART OF THAT SEARCH PROCESS.
AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO YOU AS A DRAFT, UM, IS THE NEXT STEP IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS.
SO TIMEFRAME ON WHEN WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MR. ROGERS BRING BACK A MORE SPECIFIC RFP PROPOSAL FOR US TO DISCUSS.
I'VE GOT A, I SAID IT BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
THIS IS KIND OF MY STANCE AND OF HOLDING TRUE, UM, WITH OVER HALF THIS COUNCIL, UM, AND AN ELECTION YEAR, UM, AND THE, THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION FOR THE CITY MANAGER WAS WE DID NOT WANT TO DO IT DURING AN ELECTION YEAR.
UM, IT IS MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CONTINUE OUR AGREEMENT WITH SCUFF, CASCAIS INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UM, AND, UH, START THE OFFICIAL RFP PROCESS, UH, UM, UH, IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
THAT WAY WE TAKE POLITICS COMPLETELY OUT OF IT.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL THING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR? I HAVE A COMMENT.
I THINK IT'S BEEN 30 DAYS SINCE THERE'S BEEN THIS CHANGE AND MAYBE THE NEXT 30 DAYS WE START PUTTING TOGETHER LIKE A LIST OF ATTRIBUTES WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THAT TRANSCENDS POLITICS AND MAYBE BY SUMMER WASTE, WE FIND A FIRM TO START SEARCHING BECAUSE I DO, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A QUICK TWO WEEK SEARCH.
I THINK IT'D BE A PROCESS JUST LIKE WHEN WE HIRED THE NEW FIRE CHIEF, IT WAS A PROCESS.
THE RFP WOULD BE MAINLY USED TO DETERMINE THE PROCESS FOR HIRING THE SEARCH FIRM.
AND THEN ONCE A SEARCH FIRM IS SELECTED, COUNSEL WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM, TO DEFINE THE ATTRIBUTES YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR IN AN INDIVIDUAL CITY MANAGER, UH, THAT THEY WOULD THEN UTILIZE TO CONDUCT THE SEARCH AND THE OUTREACH TO POTENTIAL APPLICANTS FOR THAT POSITION.
MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MAYOR TONY, WHEN YOU WERE DOING A BROAD OVERVIEW OF THOSE, WAS THERE A PERIOD OF TIME? DID YOU GET A CROWD BOTH PERIOD OF TIME? IT TOOK, SAY THE CITY OF RIVERSIDE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS AND, WELL, THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, SO THEY'RE IN THE MIDST OF THE PROCESS, BUT, UM, JUST BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE AND MARK, YOU MAY BE, CAN SPEAK TO THIS TOO, BUT, UH, WHEN WE'VE USED SEARCH FIRMS IN THE PAST, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A QUICK PROCESS THAT WANTS THE FIRMS IDENTIFIED, WE'RE TALKING, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 90 TO 120 DAYS AFTER THAT.
UM, JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A REAL THOROUGH SEARCH AND ABROAD SEARCH, WHICH IS, I THINK I HEARD WHAT COUNSEL WAS LOOKING FOR.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A TWO WEEK PROCESS.
I WOULD JUST ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN BANKER SAID.
AND THAT IS THAT IF IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER ALL THE BASES THAT WE DO A THOROUGH JOB.
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IT WOULD HURT TO AT LEAST START PUTTING OUT WHAT WE FEEL ARE REQUISITES FOR THE JOB, GET THAT INFORMATION TO TONY AND LET HIM, LET HIM GET A LEG UP ON PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE ANYTHING POLITICAL, BUT, UH, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS UNTIL, AS COUNCILMAN CHARLES SAID A DECEMBER TIMEFRAME.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT SLIP OFF THE TABLE OR GET AWAY FROM US.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY AT LEAST START TAKING STEPS IN THAT DIRECTION.
MY DEPENDENT, IF WE WAIT UNTIL JANUARY, FEBRUARY TO START THE SEARCH PROCESS, THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EVEN BEYOND THAT PROBABLY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR GETTING CLOSEST TIME NEXT YEAR.
UM, SO YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS TO HAVE TONY START THERE AGAIN, THERE WAS NOTHING BINDING BY HAVING TONY START TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT A POTENTIAL RFP COULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT RFP AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
AND THAT MAY GO ON FOR TWO WORK SESSIONS OR WE'RE DISCUSSING ACTUALLY HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RFP.
UM, SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH STARTING THAT PROCESS.
THE PROCESS CAN TAKE AS LONG AS THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO TAKE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE AND HOW AT LEAST BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT.
AND WE COULD DEFINE IN THE RFP, THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE SELECTED FIRM OF WHEN THE END PRODUCT IS TO BE DELIVERED, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL, UH, APPLICANTS FOR THE CITY TO INTERVIEW.
SO YOU CAN BUILD SOME TIMEFRAMES INTO THE, FOR THE SEARCH FIRM AS WELL.
SO IF YOU WANT ME TO JUST LIKE PLAN TO SHOOT TO BRING SOMETHING BACK AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN JUNE, UH, A DRAFT FORM OF AN RFP, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
CAUSE THAT'S A MONTH FROM NOW.
CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MEMORIAL DAY.
SO THERE'S REALLY, THERE'S ONE SET OF MEETINGS FOR MAY.
FIRST WORK SESSION OF FIRST WORK SESSION OF JUNE, AT LEAST HAVE AN RFP THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND BEGIN TO START.
MR. WEBB, I'LL JUST PASS COUNCILMAN SHAWLS.
NO, I THINK THE FURTHER EXPLANATION PROVIDED BY THE CLERK DID PROVIDE SOME OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN SET THOSE EXPECTATIONS IN THERE, UM, I DO AGREE WITH COUNCIL AND BAKER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS SOME OF THE ATTRIBUTES, SOME OF THE, UH, THOUGHT PROCESSES INTO THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET POLITICAL OR TOO POLITICAL.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A POLICY DECISION BY, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY AND THEN, UH, UH, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT, UH, NO I'M FINDING THE 1ST OF JUNE, UH, SEEN THAT PRODUCT, HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
CAUSE I'D NEVER SEEN A CITY MANAGER RFP BEFORE.
I'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DABBLED IN A FEW, BUT I'M NOT REALLY READ THROUGH ONE.
SO JUST REMEMBER THE RFP WOULD NOT BE FOR THE, THE ATTRIBUTES FOR THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE FIRM AND HOW THEY WOULD CONDUCT THE SEARCH BUSINESS, ANY MANAGER, TONY, THE BEST I CAN REMEMBER WON'T WE ACTUALLY INTERVIEW FIRMS, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST WILL BE A PROCESS.
SO THIS RFP WILL BE TO IDENTIFY THE SEARCH FIRMS. CORRECT.
AND THEN WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME INTERVIEWING THEM AS THIS PROCESS COULD EASILY TAKE SIX MONTHS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S HOW DEEP YOU WANT TO GET INTO IT.
HOW MANY SEARCH FIRMS RESPOND TO THE RFP? THINGS LIKE THAT? UM, MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PREVIOUS SEARCHES AND, UH, JUST SOME OF THE FEEDBACK I RECEIVED FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE SEARCHES RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, UH, STANDARD PLAYERS IN THE FIELD IN TERMS OF FIRMS. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SMALLER OPERATIONS, BUT THE BIG, UH, EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS OR THAT SPECIALIZE IN, UH, EXECUTIVES FOR MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE LIKELY TO GET PROPOSALS FROM, BUT TO THE SKY YOU GOT TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR.
LET'S TRY AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
SO FOR THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN JUNE, JUST HAVE, HAVE, THOSE ARE BE READY AND I'LL HAVE A DRAFT READY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE FEEDBACK FROM THERE AND TWEAK IT FROM THAT POINT ON.
HEY, THAT IS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
ITEM FOUR IS THE GERMAN IT'S NINE 24 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.