* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] OKAY, GOOD EVENING. [1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call] IT'S UH, UH, APRIL 21ST, WEDNESDAY AT SIX 31. UH, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING. UH, TONY. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CALL THE ROLE MR. ELLIS HERE, MR. FANNON. MR. HENDRIX HERE, MR. KITCHEN, MR. OTTO, MR. HERE MR. ROWE HERE AND, UH, CONFIRMING WE DO HAVE A QUORUM SO WE CAN PROCEED. UH, THE FIRST [2. Approval of Minutes] ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 17TH MEETING. UM, I'M ASSUMING EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM, AND IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, THEY WILL BE, UH, APPROVED AS SUBMITTED, SEEING NOTHING. THEY WILL BE APPROVED MOVING ON TO SECTION THREE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION. UM, THE FIRST [ Legislation Worksheets Review] IS THE LEGISLATION WORKSHEET REVIEW, UH, AND, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ABSENCE LAST MONTH, I WAS FEELING A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER AND I, UM, LEN'S NOT HERE, BUT I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR STEPPING IN AND RUNNING THE MEETING IN MY ABSENCE. UM, AND IT APPEARS THAT FROM THE MINUTES AND EVERYTHING THAT A LOT WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN TERMS OF WRAPPING UP SOME OF THE, UM, UH, ITEMS THAT NEED TO BEAT THAT NEEDED TO BE RESOLVED. AND IN LOOKING AT THE WORKSHEET, IT APPEARS THAT THERE MAY BE THREE ITEMS FROM THE FIRST FEW MEETINGS THAT'S, UH, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY WRAP UP THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS SECTION THREE 51.23, AND THAT, UH, WAS INVOLVED THE QUESTION THAT I THINK I HAD RAISED ABOUT WHY THERE WAS A SPECIFIC FINE IN THAT POSITION. I BELIEVE TONY, YOU HAVE TALKED WITH THE POLICE CHIEF IN OUR ADDRESS THAT YEAH, I SPOKE WITH BOTH THE LAW DIRECTOR AND, UM, POLICE CHIEF IN THE CITY, INTERIM CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS, UM, THIS WAS SECTION THREE 51 23, LEAVING MOTOR VEHICLES ON PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND AS JIM SAID, HIS QUESTION WAS AS TO WHY THERE WAS A PENALTY ATTACHED TO A SPECIFIC SECTION AND NOT TO ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS. SO, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT BACK IN 2010, THERE WAS A PARKING ENFORCEMENT ISSUE THAT THE POLICE WERE HAVING WITH A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WERE BEING RAISED TO THEIR ATTENTION BY PUBLIC COMPLAINTS. AND THERE WAS NO, UM, SET PENALTY FOR VIOLATING THAT SECTION OF THE CODE. AND SO, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF REQUESTED AT THE TIME THAT THIS HAS A SPECIFIC PENALTY ATTACHED TO IT IN ORDER TO, UH, DETER THE BEHAVIOR AND, AND, UH, AID IN UTILIZING, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT ISSUE. SO, UM, THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT WAS DONE THAT WAY. AND, UH, THEY STILL FEEL THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY UTILIZE AS A TOOL AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THAT, UH, PENALTY SECTION OF THE CODE. SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THAT, WE WILL, UM, UH, UH, CLOSE OUT THAT ITEM AND, UH, UM, IT WILL BE, UH, UH, NO FURTHER ACTION WILL BE NEEDED WITH REGARD TO IT. EXCUSE ME. UH, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ARE RELATED IT'S, UH, SECTION FIVE OH NINE POINT 10 AND FIVE OH NINE POINT 13. AND IT DEALT WITH THE, UM, DEFINITIONAL SECTION OF THOSE, UH, IN THOSE PROVISIONS AND DEALING WITH THE AMERICAN NATIONAL STANDARDS AND, UH, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, JERRY, UH, HE, UH, RESPONDED TO OUR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE SECTIONS OR THOSE, UH, STANDARDS ARE STILL APPLICABLE. AND HE CAME BACK WITH AN, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT WAS SENT OUT TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. UH, TONY, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS A LITTLE FURTHER? YEAH. UM, THE FIRST SECTION WAS, UH, SECTION FIVE, ZERO 9.10 MOTOR VEHICLE NOISE CONTROL, AS JIM SAID, THIS HAD TO DO WITH REFERENCES TO THE AMERICAN NATIONAL STANDARDS INSTITUTE IN THAT SECTION. AND, UM, SO, UH, THE LAW DIRECTOR, AS I DISTRIBUTED IT TO [00:05:01] ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, PROPOSED A REWRITE, UM, BASED ON SOME CONVERSATIONS, LET'S TOOK A LOT OF WORK THAT, UH, EVERYBODY IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY SEEMS TO HAVE THIS REFERENCE IN THEIR CODE, BUT NO ONE KNEW, UH, EXACTLY HOW WAS MEASURED OR, OR WHERE TO FIND THE LATEST SET OF STANDARDS, UM, IN THAT REGARD. SO, UM, HE HAS PROPOSED, UH, SOME REWRITES TO, UH, SECTION FIVE OH 9.10 THAT YOU HAVE. UM, AND, UH, IT MAKES IT COMPLIANT, UM, WITH THE, UM, CURRENT REFERENCES AS THEY WOULD APPLY TO, UH, NOISE AND DECIBEL LEVELS. UM, THE OTHER SECTION WAS SECTION FIVE ON 9.1, THREE ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE. UM, HE HAD SAID ALSO IN THE SAME MEMORANDUM THAT THERE WAS NO NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT SECTION, JUST TO FIVE OH NINE POINT ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HE WAS RECOMMENDING. UM, SO WITH THE LITTLE NICE PEN IS, DID THEY, SO DID YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE NOISE WAS OR WERE YOU JUST LIKE WRITING IN THE LAW LAW, SUGGESTING THE WRITING A LITTLE WHILE THAT IT'D BE A SPECIFIC NUMBER? THAT'S OKAY. UM, HE TOOK OUT THE REFERENCES TO THE DECIBELS AND HE'S REFERRED TO A SPECIFIC STANDARD WITHIN THE AMERICAN NATIONAL STANDARDS INSTITUTE AS STANDARD, UM, S 1.4, UH, 1983 WAS THE MOST CURRENT DATE OF THAT STANDARD. UM, AND HE HE'S PUT THAT REFERENCE INTO THE SECTION HERE. HE DID KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF A DECIMAL NUMBER OF ALONG WITH DBA SCALE. SO EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES THEN OKAY. THAT WILL BE PASSED ON THE COUNCIL. AND I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES EVERYTHING IN TITLES, ONE, THREE AND FIVE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING IN THE BUSINESS AND REGULATION SECTION OF THE CODE, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION, UH, OR A COMMENT THAT WAS RAISED BY GLENN DEALING WITH SEVEN THREE 5.02 THAT TALKED ABOUT, UH, ADULT BUSINESSES DEFINITIONS. AND HE HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT 10 B OF THAT SECTION READ QUOTE ACTIVITIES BETWEEN PERSONS WHEN ONE OR MORE OF THE PERSONS IS IN A STATE OF NUDITY OR SOME EYE NUDITY. UM, AND SPECIFICALLY I GUESS, ELIMINATING THEIR REFERENCE TO JIM MALE AND FEMALE. AND, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THE MEMORANDUM WE GOT BACK FROM JERRY, THAT HE WAS OKAY WITH THAT. CORRECT. SO, ANY OTHER, IF, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT, WE'LL RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE SENT ON THE COUNCIL FOR AN AMENDMENT MODIFICATION. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION THAT ABOUT, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT AT THE MOMENT ABOUT SOMEBODY RAISES A QUESTION ABOUT A ADULT HOTEL THAT IF SOMEONE HAS TO KITCHEN. OH, OKAY. OKAY. IF SOMEBODY ADVERTISES THAT THEY, UM, SELL OR THAT THEY OFFER, UH, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IT COULD, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO QUALIFY AND BE LICENSED UNDER THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, UH, CRITERIA AND, UH, UM, JERRY MCDONALD RESPONDED THAT YES. AND, UM, THAT IF IT'S DISTRIBUTED, UH, THE BROCHURE ADVERTISING IS OFF SITE, THEN I GUESS IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ADULT HOTEL. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVEN ADVERTISEMENT ON A WEBSITE THAT WAS AVAILABLE OUTSIDE OF THAT. IT'S JUST A SMALL FOOTNOTE IN THE LIST OF THINGS, RIGHT. IS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS GETTING WAS THAT IT WAS JUST THESE SMALL FOOTNOTES. WE OFFER ALL THESE MOVIES, YOU KNOW, WE ALL OF A SUDDEN ASK FOR HBO, WE OFFER 20 SANDALS OF BLOCKBUSTERS PAY-PER-VIEWS OH. AND WE OFFER ADULT SERVICE. OKAY. AS AN ADULT, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE BUILT ONE LITTLE LINE. YEAH. SO, SO, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER FROM WHAT JERRY IS SAYING IS YES. SO YEAH. UH, UNLESS THEY WOULD JUST ADVERTISE THE AVAILABILITY OF ADULT [00:10:01] FILMS WITHIN THE PROPERTY ITSELF, RIGHT. THEN THAT WOULD NOT MAKE IT. AND I GUESS THE IDEA REALLY BEHIND THAT IS THEY DON'T WANT TO, UH, HAVE PEOPLE COME TO THAT HOTEL FOR THAT REASON THAT IF THEY'RE THERE, THEY WANT TO WATCH IT THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THEM ACTUALLY COMING TO THAT CRITIC. AND, AND MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT ASPECTS OF THIS, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN, THAT THEY WOULD, THE HOTEL PROPRIETOR WOULD PROBABLY BE NOTIFIED BY SOMEBODY SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN. RIGHT. YOU NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN. OKAY. UH, ALL RIGHT. UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN TITLE SEVEN THAT NEEDED TO BE, THERE IS NOT, THAT WOULD BRING US CURRENT ON, UH, THOSE FIRST FOUR SECTIONS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW ITEMS THREE, SEEN THE ADMINISTRATOR OR A THREE B [ City Code - Part Nine - Streets and Public Services Code - Review] THE CITY CODE PART NINE STREETS AND PUBLIC SERVICES REVIEW. AND, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT HERE. UM, I THINK A LOT OF IT IS TECHNICAL IN NATURE, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT IT APPLIES TO AND HOW IT IS TO BE APPLIED. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, UH, WE MIGHT WANT TO, UH, PROCEED. UM, I'M, I'M THINKING, UM, WE CAN DEAL, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST IS, UM, NINE OH THREE. UM, AND WHEN I WENT, I'M GOING TO ASK PROBABLY IS IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT SECTION ANY OF THE SECTIONS IN NINE OH THREE, THEN WE CAN GO LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE SECTIONS. IS THAT BECAUSE THERE, THERE MAY BE A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT WON'T CAUSE ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. SO, UM, ALSO WHEN I FIRST HAD SENT OUT THIS PACKET, I'S ALSO FORWARDED A NOTE FROM JERRY MCDONALD THAT SAID, UM, THERE WERE THREE CHAPTERS THAT, UH, SHOULD NOT BE REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION. UM, THAT'S, UH, CHAPTER NINE 22 A UH, NINE 22 B IN NINE 24. AND, UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THESE ARE ALL CODIFIED AS PART OF, UH, UH, OHIO EPA MANDATES. AND, UH, AS SUCH WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES TO THOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LOOKING AT SECTION NINE OH THREE IN ALL OF THE SUBSECTIONS UNDERNEATH IT, UM, THE, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UM, AND THE FIRST ONE THAT I HAD, AND IT WAS JUST A DEFINITIONAL SECTION OR QUESTION UNDER 900, 3.0 TO A FIVE, IT TALKS ABOUT IT'S. IT SAYS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT FROM THE CITY ENGINEER CANNOT DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ACCIDENTS. FIVE IS CONSTRUCT BUILD OR MAINTAIN ANY DRIVEWAY APRON OVER OR THROUGH ANY GUTTER CURB, TREE, LAWN, OR SIDEWALK. WHAT IS A TREE LAWN? WHICH NUMBER ARE WE ON AGAIN? SECTION 900, 3.0, TO FIVE OR A FIVE 85. NOT HEARD THE TERM EITHER. YEAH. I JUST, I WASN'T SURE. WHAT, IF ANYBODY HAD ANY IDEA WHAT A, WHAT A TREE LAWN WAS REFERRING TO? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THAT SECTION AND THE RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE SOMETIMES HAVE PLANTED TREES OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. UH, AND THEN ON, THERE WAS A TYPO THAT I CAUGHT, UH, ON NINE OH 3.02, UH, F UM, THAT SAYS ANY PARTY AGREED BY THE PENALTY IMPOSED HERE IN MY FILE. THAT SHOULD BE MAY FILE. OKAY. [00:15:05] UM, THAT WAS REALLY, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING IN NINE OH THREE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE SECTIONS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, NINE S UH, SECTION NINE OH SEVEN AND WROTE THE SUBSECTIONS OF THAT. UM, AND I, I DID NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT ANYTHING IN THAT SECTION. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING OKAY. SEEING NONE. THE BIGGEST THING IN THAT SECTION THAT WE TYPICALLY DEAL WITH IS LIKE THE, UH, BASKETBALL HOOPS THAT PEOPLE PUT IN TO THE RIGHT OF WAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. YEAH. UH, NINE SECTION NINE 11. UH, AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION AND IT ACTUALLY RELATES BACK TO A SECTION IN NINE OH NINE OH 3.04. THERE'S 900, 3.04 TALKS ABOUT THAT. NO CONSTRUCTION CAN BE IN IT'S. IT TALKS IN TERMS OF MORE THAN 25 FEET IN WIDTH AT THE BACK EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, UH, NORTH SHORE SHALL ANY DRIVEWAY OPENING BE MADE WITHIN 40 FEET OF A RADICAL PORTION OF ANY CURB AND A STREET INTERSECTION. SO IT KIND OF DEFINES THE PARAMETERS. AND THEN IN SECTION NINE, 11.04, IT SAYS, NO DRIVEWAY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OR RECONSTRUCTED. IF THE NEAREST EDGE OF SUCH DRIVEWAY IS LESS THAN 65 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTING CURB LINE ON THE STOP SIDE OF IT, HE MADE THOROUGHFARE. AND MY QUESTION JUST WAS, AND, AND, AND WITHOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT ARE THOSE TWO THINGS CONSISTENT WITH ONE ANOTHER IS ONE, ONE IS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE AND THE OTHER IS, IS IT JUST ANY INTERSECTION? YEAH. THAT THE MAIN ONE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN JUST A REGULAR INTERSECTION. RIGHT. AND I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN RUN THAT BY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE TERRY SAID CITY ENGINEER, SO, UM, YOU CAN RUN THAT BY THEM AND JUST SEE IF, MAKE SURE THOSE THAT AREN'T IN CONGRUENT WITH ONE. RIGHT. RIGHT. I SAW GRAMMAR ERROR ON, LIKE, IT WAS OKAY. NINE 1102 E UM, IT SAYS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS. THAT IS WHEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF ISS, THE OTHER SHOULD BE CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT IS, OR CONCRETE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF THOSE IN THAT SENTENCE, WHICH IS WHAT, WHERE, WHICH ONE NINE, THAT'S IT? NINE 11.02 E STARTING WITH CONCRETE SIDEWALK. FIRST THREE ISS SHOULD BE OURS, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS THAT IS LOCATED AND THEN IS DESIGNATED AND THEN IS TO BE REPAIRED. THAT SHOULD BE OUR OKAY. WE CAN, YEAH. LIKE THE OTHERS. OKAY. UM, MOVING ON TO, UM, CHAPTER NINE 15, WHICH DEALS WITH THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS POLICY, UM, AND AGAIN, IN NINE, 15.03, UH, E IT TALKS ABOUT LOCATIONS OF DRIVEWAYS AT ROADWAY INTERSECTIONS, AND IT SAYS NEW DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT BEGIN CLOSER TO AN EXISTING STREET INTERSECTION, THEN THAT 40 FEET FROM THE STOP BAR ACROSS WALK ON RESIDENTIAL SECTIONS. AGAIN, I'M CURIOUS IF THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TWO REFERENCES OF CONSTRUCTIONS IN RELATIONSHIP TO LOCATION HAS BEING NEAR A STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW, AN INTERSECTION OF SOME KIND. SO IF WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE [00:20:01] THAT THAT'S, UH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT SECTION NINE 15, UM, NOBODY ELSE HAD ANYTHING MOVING ON TO NINE 19, WHICH DEALS WITH STREET LIGHTING ASSESSMENT PROCEDURE. UM, I HAD, DID HAVE ONE QUESTION IN TERMS OF IN NINE 1901 B UM, IT SAYS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CLERK OF COUNCIL CAUSE PUBLICATION AND THE RESOLUTION ABOUT NEEDING THE, UH, SIDEWALK LIGHTENING ASSESSMENT, AND IT SAYS TO ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND TONY, SINCE I'M ASSUMING SINCE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT CAUSES THIS PUBLICATION TO GO OUT, IS THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE A DEFINITION OF HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHO ARE THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS? WELL, UH, I HAVE THIS ONE MARKED BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NAMED AND REPEATEDLY AS PART OF THOSE PROCESS. BUT IN REALITY, THESE ARE ALL TASKS THAT ARE PERFORMED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND, AND MAKING THESE NOTIFICATIONS OF PUBLICATION AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I DON'T, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PART IN THIS EXCEPT THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M ACTUALLY DOING IS, UH, PARAGRAPH C, WHERE ONCE IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, I FILE IT WITH THE COUNTY AUDITOR WITHIN 15 DAYS FOLLOWING PASSAGE OF THE RESOLUTION. SO I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS BECAUSE I'M NOT PERSON. SO I, I THINK THAT THERE'S, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRACTICE THAT MY NAME SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THAT, AND THE APPROPRIATE PERSON SHOULD BE SPELLED OUT IN HERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING THOSE THINGS WHO, WHO ELSE? SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FINANCE, FINANCE ASSESSMENT CLERK, RIGHT. AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT PERSON IS THE PERSON THAT PERFORMS ALL THE TASKS EXCEPT PARAGRAPH C. SO WOULD YOU SUGGEST BASICALLY CHANGING REMOVING CLERK OR COUNCIL AND PUTTING FINANCE DIRECTOR AND, OR HIS DESIGNATE. OKAY. IS THAT EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. AND THEN I WOULD ASK YOU TO FIND OUT FROM THAT PERSON, HOW THEY DEFY. I MEAN, HOW DO THEY DETERMINE WHO THE EFFECTED PERSON, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALPHA? I MEAN, IS IT ON THE STREET? I MEAN, ON THE STREET COVERED BY THE STREET LIGHT, HOW DID THEY DETERMINE WHO GETS PHOTOS? I, I KNOW THAT, UM, THESE ARE DONE BY DISTRICT. SO TYPICALLY THEY'D BE LIKE A STREET OR A SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD FORM THE, THE LIGHTING DISTRICT. AND SO, UM, WHEN THEY HAVE TO, UH, WHEN THEY WANT TO GET STREET LIGHTS ADDED, UH, THERE HAS TO BE A PETITION SUBMITTED BY THE RESIDENTS TO CREATE A STREET LIGHTING DISTRICT. AND THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S 50 OR 75% THAT HAVE TO SIGN THAT PETITION BEFORE THE CITY WILL ACT ON CREATING HISTORY LIGHTING DISTRICT. BECAUSE THEN WHAT HAPPENS BASICALLY IS IF THE CITY APPROVES THAT THEN ALL OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT DISTRICT ARE ASSESSED FOR THE COST OF THE STREET LIGHTING. SO IT WOULD BE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE DIS THAT LIGHTING DISTRICT THAT WOULD GET THIS NOTICE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STREET LIGHTING DISTRICTS, AND EACH OF THOSE ARE ASSESSED, UM, WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. UM, IT'S NOT DONE AT A UNIFORM RATE ACROSS THE CITY. IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF STREET LIGHTS AND, UH, THE INSTALLATION COST AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. AND THERE'S SOME TYPE OF ASSESSMENT THAT GOES TO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND, UH, ELECTRIC COSTS FOR OPERATING MINISTRY LIGHTS THAT THEY'RE ASSESSED TO THE REMEDY OWNERS. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME DEFINITION OR SOME DELINEATION OF WHO THE AFFECTED, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF, IT SEEMS TO BE A SUBJECT, UM, PHRASE. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, SHOULD THAT, IF THAT SHOULD BE TIGHTENED UP IN SOME FASHION BY IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, BY CHANGING THAT LANGUAGE, TO SAY THE MEMBERS OF THE LIGHTING DISTRICT, YOU KNOW? [00:25:04] YEAH. SOMETHING SOME, SO YOU MIGHT RUN THAT BIKE GERRY AND SEE IF, BECAUSE I, I JUST WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT IF THEY, THEY DID THE ASSESSMENT AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, HEY, HOW WAS IT AN EFFECTIVE PROPERTY OWNER? AND I WASN'T NOTIFIED, I DIDN'T GET NOTICED IF THAT COULD COME BACK TO ULTIMATELY CAUSE, UH, OTHER SO, YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE AND SECTION NINE 19, WHAT ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. MOVING ON TO CHAPTER NINE, 20 UTILITY STRUCTURE. UM, MY FIRST COMMENT DEALS WITH NINE 20.0, SO THEN, AND IN THE FIRST SECTION OR FIRST SENTENCE OF THAT SECTION, IT SAYS THE CITY ENGINEER'S DECISION TO DENY A PERMIT. AND THEN IN THE SECOND THIRD SENTENCE, IT SAYS IF THE CITY ENGINEER ISSUES A DENIAL OF A PERMIT, OKAY. AND THEN AFTER THE COMMA, IT SAYS THE CITY ENGINEER SHALL NOTIFY THE APPLICANT IN WRITING OF THE DENIAL SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION. SO IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF SENTENCES OF THAT SECTION, IT TALKS ABOUT IT'S AN APPEAL PROCESS THAT TALKS ABOUT WHEN A PERMIT IS DENIED. BUT THEN IN THE THIRD SENTENCE, IT TALKS ABOUT DENIAL, SUSPENSION AND REVOCATION. SO ME, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE AN ORDERING THING BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE APPEAL IS TO APPLY TO THE DECISION THAT THE ENGINEER IT WOULD APPLY TO THE CITY ENGINEER'S DECISION TO NOT ONLY JUST A DENIAL OF A PERMIT, BUT IT SHOULD ALSO APPLY TO A SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF A PERMANENT AS WELL. SO I THINK THE, THE BEGINNING OF THAT FIRST SENTENCE SHOULD SAY THE CITY ENGINEER'S DECISION TO DENY COMMA SUSPEND OR REVOKE A PERMIT. AND THEN IN THE THIRD SENTENCE AGAIN, IF THE CITY ENGINEER ISSUES A DENIAL SUSPENSION, OR REVOCATION OF A PERMIT, AND THEN THAT THEN MAKES IT THEN A THIRD PART, BECAUSE I THINK THE FIRST PART TALKS ABOUT IT AND APPEAL, BUT DON I'LL ONLY. SO I THINK IT SHOULD APPLY TO ALL THREE BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS INTENDED TO APPLY TO ALL THREE. OKAY. UM, NEXT SECTION IS NINE 21, WHICH DEALS WITH UTILITIES AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY COMMENTS, UM, UP UNTIL NOT SURE I HAD ANY COMMENTS. UM, OH, AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND SECTION NINE 21.0 4.4 CALLED DECISIONS AND SECTION C UH, SIX, IT REFERENCE, IT SAYS A DESIGN OR A LOCATION IS IN CONFLICT WITH CURRENT PROPOSED ACCESSIBILITY, CURRENT OR PROPOSED ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS. I WASN'T SURE EXACTLY WHAT THOSE, OR IS THAT REFERENCE TO EITHER SOUNDS LIKE REFERENCE TO ABILITY TO GET TO IT OR REFERENCED TO DISABILITY, LIKE HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, LIKE BLOCKING SOMEBODY. YEAH. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, IF THERE ARE STANDARDS IN PLACE OR I THINK THAT PROBABLY REFER TO ADA. YEAH. OKAY. [00:30:03] OKAY. UM, THIS WHOLE SECTION ON THE SMALL CELL TOWERS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS VETTED PRETTY THOROUGHLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND, UM, I THINK IT WAS 2018 WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. THIS WAS A MODEL ORDINANCE HAD BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE STATE THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO COMMUNITIES. AND WE ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, UH, OKAY. AS MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG ISSUE A FEW YEARS AGO IN TERMS OF, UM, THE ABILITY OF SOME OF THESE PROVIDERS TO COME IN AND JUST START PLACING SMALL CELL TOWERS. YOU MIGHT'VE EVEN DEALT WITH IT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT WOULD BE ME. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD, IT WAS THE SAME ISSUE IN DEALING WITH A NINE 21.0 4.10 ABOUT APPEALS. AND AGAIN, AND IT TALKS THE FIRST ONE TALKS ABOUT DENIAL. THE SECOND SECTION TALKS ABOUT ALL APPEALS ON A DENIAL. AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION TALKS ABOUT A DENIAL SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION. DO YOU THINK THE APPEAL PROCESS SHOULD APPLY TO ALL THREE? ALL THREE. OKAY. UM, AND I HAVE GENERAL QUESTION AND IT'S PROBABLY, IT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN IN ONE OF THE EARLIER DEFINITIONAL SECTIONS. I CAN'T RECALL WHENEVER FOR, WE TALK ABOUT DAYS IN TERMS OF LIKE 21 DAYS OR 30 DAYS, ARE WE REFERRING TO, DOES A CODE REFER TO, IS THAT BUSINESS DAY, IS THAT CALENDAR DAYS? MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT IT'S CALENDAR DAYS. AND LAST, THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS BUSINESS. I'VE SEEN A FEW SPOTS WHERE IT DID SAY BUSINESS DAYS AND SCAN YOUR DAYS. OKAY. CAUSE I WASN'T SURE, I KNOW THE STATE, THE OHIO REVISED CODE, IT USES DAYS AS BEING BUSINESS DAYS AND IT HAS PROVISIONS DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAYS DON'T COUNT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND I DIDN'T, I, THAT WAS JUST MORE OF A, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I THOUGHT OF IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME MEAN JUST SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THESE THAT LET'S SAY SATURDAY, AND THEN MONDAY IS A HOLIDAY. SO THEY HAVE LIKE THREE DAYS, BUT THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO LEMONADE, WHATEVER IT IS, THESE ARE SAFETY ISSUES. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY, WELL, NEXT WEEK, THE HOLIDAYS, WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT SAFETY NEXT WEEK. SO NEXT WEEK IN UNION NAME, I GUESS YOU WOULDN'T CALL THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER TIME IN THE REVENUE, WHATEVER, EVEN IF IT IS ON. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE MY CONCERN. IF, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO DAYS TO REVENUE, GENERALLY. MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE CUT, THE SECTIONS, THE ORDINANCES TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE SHORTEST TIMEFRAME, THAT'S HOW I'VE SEEN IT. THAT WOULDN'T CREATE AN ISSUE. IF YOU USE CALENDAR FOR 10 DAYS, WE'D GIVE YOU AN ENTIRE BUSINESS, RIGHT? YEAH. BASED ON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS, THEY CAN REQUEST AN EXTENSION OF THAT TIME PERIOD. AND EVEN IF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR DOESN'T AGREE TO IT, THEY CAN COME BEFORE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD AND SEEK AN EXTENSION. THAT WAS WELL BEYOND THE TIMEFRAME. SO. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. UM, IN SECTION NINE TO 1.0 5.2 A TWO, UM, AT THE VERY END OF THAT, THERE'S THE WORD GENERAL AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST KINDA STUCK THERE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON OR ANY WHAT'S NINE TWO, ONE OH FIVE, TWO 1.0 5.2 A TWO. AND IT REFERENCES NINE 2105 ONE RIGHT ABOVE IT. P COMMA GENERAL. [00:35:01] I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT WORD GENERAL IS REFERRING TO, I LOOKED AT THE SECTION REFERS TO IT. MAYBE THAT WOULD GIVE ME A HINT OF WHAT THE GENERAL, I MEAN, WHAT, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT'S, THE SECTION IS CALLED GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT YEAH. SORRY. HI. I THINK IT'S JUST A NAME OF THE SECTION AND IT SHOULD PROBABLY YOU SAY GENERAL, WELL NOW IF YOU GO BACK TO NINE TO 1.0 5.1, IT'S JUST CALLED GENERAL SECTIONS, BUT IT'S REFERRING NINE, NINE TO 1.051 P YEAH. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, THE WHOLE SECTION NINE TO 100, 5.1 IS CALLED GENERAL. SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE GENERAL CAME FROM. AND THEN THEY SLIPPED THE P IN THERE BETWEEN THE 0.1 IN THE GENERAL. WELL, I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR FACT, THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT APPLIES TO, UH, PARAGRAPH P OF THAT SECTION. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK IT LOOKS WEIRD, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE. OKAY. UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN SECTION NINE 21. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? NOPE. OKAY. SEEING NONE THEN NINE 22. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT IS THAT ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT ONCE THAT JERRY'S OUT, TECHNICALLY THERE'S NINE 22 AND THEN THERE'S NINE 22, EIGHT AND NINE 22 BE JEFF. JERRY ONLY SAID NINE 22 A AND B. OKAY. SO, UH, I GUESS THE NINE 22 ITSELF COULD, COULD BE CONSIDERED IF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGE. WELL, I, I DID SEE IN THE DEFINITION SECTION NINE 2203, IT REFERENCES GREEN COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. AND THAT SHOULD BE, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE, UM, WE USED TO HAVE ONE PARCEL IN GREEN COUNTY, UM, THAT WAS ANNEXED. AND THEN, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BECAUSE IT WAS MORE HASSLE TO MAINTAIN, UH, ALL OF OUR STANDARDS ACROSS THREE COUNTIES THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED DNX FROM THE CITY. AND I WENT BACK TO, UH, THE TOWNSHIP RATHER THAN BEING IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS. SO WE NOW ONLY HAVE PARCELS WITHIN MIAMI AND MONTGOMERY COUNTIES. AND THEN IN THAT SAME DEFINITION AND THE LAST WORD SITUATED, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE SITUATED? AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING IT'S GOING TO BE IN THESE NEXT COUPLE SECTIONS. ONE'S JUST A STYLE QUESTION. UM, IT'S STORMWATER ONE WORD OR TWO WORD, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE STORMWATER AS IT'S USED IN HERE. UM, THEY TYPICALLY SPELLED AS ONE WORD. OKAY. WELL, LATER ON, IT'S NOT IN THIS SECTION, WE HAVE NON STORMWATER WHERE NON IS HYPHENATED IN IT'S OVERBOARD AS WATER. OKAY. THAT'S ANYTHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER? ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN IT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT BILLS AND DUE DATES. IT NEVER, I NEVER SAW WHERE IT SAYS FIND HOW MUCH TIME THE VIDEO IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE TO PEOPLE. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER SAYING THE CITY MUST GIVE, OH, I CHECKED ALL MY WATER BILLS WOULD ALWAYS HAVE 14 DAYS. JUST SO THE CITY CAN'T SUDDENLY LIKE LET'S GIVE THEM TWO DAYS FROM THE BILL DATE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE DAY THEY PROBABLY GET IT IN THE MAIL. THAT'S ALL HANDLED BY OUR VENDOR WHO HAS WATER, UH, IN TERMS OF THEY DO ALL THE BILLING. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY WOULD WANT TO AMSTRAD ITSELF TO BE LOCKED INTO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS. UH, I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY BILL THAT THEY'RE SENDING ON A SCHEDULE THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN RECEIPT, THAT THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THEM TO PAY THE BILL BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY DUE THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT ONE DAY AND IT'S DUE THE NEXT DAY. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, BUT, UH, THAT IS ALL HANDLED BY THE VENDOR WOULD POSSIBLY BE IN THE CONTRACT WE HAVE WITH SUEZ, HOW MUCH TIME THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. I DON'T THINK IT GOES TO THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY. THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR THAT SECTION. [00:40:02] UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ON NINE 22 POINT OF TWO C UM, IT'S THE SECOND SECTION OF THAT LITTLE C, IT SAYS ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SHALL PAY THE SAME STORM WATER SERVICE CHARGES. AND THEN IT GOES ON LATER ON AND TALKS ABOUT CHARGES FOR DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY AND CONDOS. UM, AND WHEN I, WHEN I READ THAT, THAT SENTENCE WHERE IT SAYS ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SHALL PAY THE SAME STORM WATER SERVICE CHARGES, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THERE DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF A OWNS A DUPLEX, HE PAYS THE SAME CHARGES AS SOMEBODY THAT OWNS A 24 HOUR 24 APARTMENT UNIT, AN APARTMENT BUILDING. I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS TO DIFFERENTIATE DOWN THAT DOWN BELOW, BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SENTENCE IS SAYING. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS MEANING THAT THE RATE IS THE SAME ACROSS ALL THOSE ENTITIES OR IS IT JUST A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIALS ALL PAY AT THE SAME RATE, BUT THEN MULTIFAMILY WOULD, OR DUPLEX? I THINK THAT SENTENCE NEEDS TO BE CLEARED UP IN SOME FASHION. OKAY. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE LIST AND WE SAY, ARE WE, ARE WE GOING OVER THE NINE 22 A AND B UH, NO, WE'RE NOT AS ARE THE TWO THAT WERE NOT, WELL THERE, I DID HAVE A OF, I SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, BUT THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO AN ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE, LIKE, UH, AT NINE 22, A OH SEVEN, A ONE EVERY REFERENCES, HUBER HEIGHTS ORDINANCE 90 DASH, OH, I THINK DASH FOUR, THREE, FIVE. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN REFERENCE INSTEAD OF REFERENCE TO THAT ORDINANCE? AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIND A PLEA THAT REFERENCED ACTUALLY TWO 13 2101 LIKE THAT? WELL REMEMBER, WELL THAT THEY WOULD REFERENCE THE ORDINANCE NUMBER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY, UH, PULLED IT INTO THE CITY CODE. SO, UM, THEY WOULD, UH, IF YOU GO TO THAT ORDINANCE AND WHAT HAVE THE LANGUAGE, AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY CALLED SAGA, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE STANDARD WAY OF DOING IT. OKAY. OKAY. GOING BACK BEFORE WE GET TO NINE 22, UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IT'S ON SECTION NINE 22 ONE THREE, AND IT'S A PARAGRAPH C AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT WAS IT'S LANGUAGE. IT JUST SAYS PLANS THAT ARE NOT APPROVED MAY BE RESUBMITTED, PERIOD PLANS ARE NOT APPROVED. MAYBE RESUBMITTED AFTER REVISIONS ARE MADE. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE THERE, ARE THEY TRYING TO SAY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THERE OR IS IT JUST SIMPLY KIND OF RE DUNDON YEAH. OH YEAH. IT JUST, I MEAN, IT, IT JUST STRUCK ME THAT IF YOU JUST HAD THE PLANS OR NOT, OR THAT I CAN MAYBE FOR AFTER REVISIONS ARE MADE, IS THERE A FEE TO SUBMIT, OR WE JUST KEEP COLLECTING THOSE FEES AS THEY KEEP RESUBMITTING THE SAME ONE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, PROBABLY THERE IS A FEE TO RESUBMIT IT UNDER ANY SOME CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, IS THAT A, IS THAT A DIFFERENCE WITH A DISTINCTION OR IS THAT JUST A REDUNDANCY? SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. ANSWER TASK. YEAH. WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE REVIEW IT. I THINK THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD DEALING WITH NINE 22, UH, ACTUALLY UP UNTIL NINE 22.30, THE DEALS WITH THE OF SERVICE CHARGE. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS JUST TERMINOLOGY AND IN NINE 22.30 B, THE LAST WORD IS APPEAL. AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, A TALKS ABOUT THE APPLICATION AND THEN B SAYS THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNATE SHALL HAVE 30 DAYS TO INVESTIGATE THE MATTER THE CITY MANAGER [00:45:01] OR THE CITY MANAGERS DOES THE SHALL TIMELY REVIEW AND RULE UPON THE APPEAL. AND I THINK THAT REALLY IS, SHOULD BE APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS REVIEWING AS THE APPLICATION FOR AN ADJUSTMENT. AND THEN THE APPEAL DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY UNTIL SECTION C. SO I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE THAT WORD APPEAL AND AT THE END OF THE BEACH AND BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH THE WORD APPLICATION, I KNOW I'M BEING PREPARED. WELL, NO, WE'LL GET CLARIFICATION. AND THESE ARE USUALLY SITUATIONS WHERE, UM, SOMEONE HAS A LEAK OR A TOILET THAT'S LEAKING OR CONSTANTLY RUNNING OR, UM, THEY'VE, UH, FILLED A POOL. UM, THEN THEY CAN GO BEFORE THE, UH, CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD AND GET AN ADJUSTMENT IN THERE. RIGHT. LIKE I JUST, I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE THE APPLICATION AND NOT AN APPEAL BECAUSE AT THAT STAGE, IT'S NOT REALLY AN APPEAL, IT'S AN APPLICATION. UH, OKAY. SO THEN THAT MOVES INTO NINE 22 A AND NINE 22 B. SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO NINE 23 DEALING WITH SANITARY SEWERS. UH, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD, WELL, NOT THE ONLY QUESTION, BUT FIRST QUESTION I HAD WAS SECTION NINE 23.03, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THINGS DISCHARGE INTO THE SANITARY SEWER, AND IT LISTS AND IDENTIFIES, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, TOILETS, LAVATORIES, BATH, TUB SHOWERS, LAUNDRY TUBS. UM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS SINCE 1995, WHEN THAT WAS PASSED, ARE THERE ANY OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THAT MIGHT BE DISCHARGING INTO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM THAT'S NOT LISTED THERE THAT WASN'T THOUGHT OF BACK THEN OR COVERED BACK THEN? I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SEAMLESS TO ME, IT SEEMED TO ME TO BE A FAIRLY ALL INCLUSIVE THINGS, BUT I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING, BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO THAT GROUP. THAT'S NOT ALL. AND, UH, THE OTHER THING WOULD PROBABLY BE THE NAME OF THE TREATMENT FACILITY WOULD BE TRI-CITIES NOW INSTEAD OF, UH, NORTHERN REGIONAL WASTEWATER. OKAY. SO THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN, AND NINE 23.04 B TWO. UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THE GENERAL PRETREATMENT REGULATIONS EFFECTIVE AS OF A CERTAIN DAY IN 19 NINE 88, AND AS PRINTED IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER ON A PARTICULAR DATE IN 1999. UM, I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD ADD TO THAT, UH, AS AMENDED, BECAUSE THE WAY THIS READS WE'RE LOCKED IN TO THE PRE-TREATMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THOSE TWO THINGS, AND IF THE PRETREATMENT STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED SINCE THEN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, I NOT SURE THAT OUR PRETREATMENT STANDARDS WOULD COMPLY TO POTENTIALLY USING OUTDATED PRETREATMENT STANDARDS OR REGULATIONS. SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADDED, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AMENDED ALSO SEEING IN SOME OF THESE OTHER SECTIONS, THERE'S A REFERENCES TO THE NORTH REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. RIGHT. WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE SECTION. RIGHT. UH, I NOTICED THAT MEDIATION LATER ON, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, MAN, I WAS THINKING OF MED NEED MORE ROAD AND OUR REQUEST [00:50:02] MORE ROAD ONES GETTING DEMOLISHED. YEAH. EITHER WAY IT'S GOTTA BE CORRECTED TO THE BONE. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION WITH, UH, IT'S ON NINE 2304 D IT SAYS PENALTY FOR VIOLATIONS. AND MY QUESTION IS, ARE THESE PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF NINE 23 OVERALL, OR JUST VIOLATIONS FOR NINE 23.04? CAUSE IT SAYS, WHOEVER VIOLATES A CANADIAN VIA ANY PROVISION, THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS WHILE IT'S STUCK IN AS A SUBSECTION OF NINE 23.04. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INTENDED AS A, THE PENALTY SECTION FOR THE ENTIRE SECTION OF NINE 23 AND GET CLARIFICATION. BUT TYPICALLY, UM, IF IT WAS A SUBSECTION IN THERE WHICH IS REFERRED TO NINE 2304 OR IN TERMS OF THE PENALTY, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. RACE. I THINK THIS IS TRI-CITIES IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE SECTION'S ALL ON SANITARY OR SEWER WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THE WATER PLANT. RIGHT. I NEED MORE. YEAH. BUT THERE IS A SECTION LATER ON THAT SPECIFICALLY REFERS TO THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY ON NEED MORE ROAD. I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT I SEARCHED THAT ADDRESS TO SEE IF IT WAS EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT ROAD IS STILL THERE. THEY JUST AWARDED THE CONTRACT FOR THE DEMOLITION A FEW WEEKS AGO. IT'S NOT OPERATING, UH, WHAT A QUESTION ON NINE 2304, A GENERAL SIZE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT SAYS, UH, PAUSE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING. AND THEN THE LIST OF THINGS DON'T FEEL LIKE A LIST OF CAUSES, ESPECIALLY LIKE NUMBER FOUR IS CONDOMS. IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT SAYS BASICALLY IT'S A REPETITIVE REPETITIVE. IT JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE THEY DIDN'T YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT GRAMMAR. YEAH. YEAH. IT SHOULD JUST SAY, CAUSE COLON AND THEN OBSTRUCTION OR OTHER IN INTERFERENCE. YEAH. NO, I SEE THAT. AND THEN NINE 2304 BEFORE IT STARTS WITH AN ADDITIONAL TO THE APPLICATION, I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN ADDITION. OKAY. YEAH. AND NINE 23.10, DEALING WITH COMPLAINTS AND APPEALS. UM, IN A AND B I DIDN'T SEE ANY TIMEFRAME. IT SAYS CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SATISFIED OR NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESOLUTION TO A BILLING COMPLAINT MAY APPEAL IN WRITING, BUT THERE'S NO TIMEFRAME WITHIN WHICH THAT HAS TO OCCUR. SO I COULD LIKE COMPLAIN ABOUT A BILL I GOT SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU OBJECT TO A BILL SAY SIX MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S, I THINK [00:55:01] THERE NEEDS OR SHOULD BE SOMETHING ADDED IN HERE, UH, SETTING FORTH, UH, YOU KNOW, A DEADLINE BY WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SO MANY, YOU KNOW, DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS, WHATEVER, TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BILL AND THEN THE SAME THING AND B IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NO REFERENCE OF TIME. IT JUST SAYS A PERSON FEELING AGGRIEVED BY THE DECISION OF THE BOARD MAY APPEAL SUCH DECISION TO COUNCIL BY NOTING NOTIFYING, THE CLERK OF COUNCIL AND WRITING WITHIN INSTANCE WITHIN 10 DAYS, 10 DAYS THAT I KNOW I'VE HEARD PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET, THEY'LL SAY THEY WON'T NOTICE THAT A BILL IS BAD UNTIL MONTHS LATER. LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT REALIZING THEY'RE BEING OVERCHARGED. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO PAYING A BILL. YOU KNOW, IF YOUR WATER BILL IS FREE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NORMAL WATER BILL IS FOR MOST PEOPLE, IF YOUR WATER BILL MIGHT BE 300 BUCKS AND YOU'RE PAYING THAT FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE YOU REALIZE THAT'S NOT NORMAL. WELL, THEN YOU WOULD EITHER, IF IT WAS OVERESTIMATED, THEN YOUR NEXT BILLS WILL BE REALLY CHEAP. AND YOU'RE AN ACTUAL JUST FOR DETAILS. YEAH. BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO BACK 10 YEARS. AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'D RETAIN BILLS 10 YEARS BACK IF SOMEONE WANTED TO MISS. YEAH. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S JUST ABSOLUTELY NO TIMEFRAME WITHIN WHICH YOU HAVE TO OBJECT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, A WATER BILL. AND I THINK, I MEAN, IF, CAUSE THEY DO ESTIMATED BILLS AND THEN EVERY, EVERY THREE MONTHS THEY GIVE AN ACTUAL WATER WATER BILL. I DON'T GET THE BELL HERE, SO I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THOUGHT SOME OF THAT WAS ELIMINATED WHEN THEY WENT TO, UH, THE METER, READ THE METER, READ ELECTRONICALLY THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE ACTUAL BILLS THAN ESTIMATED. I MEAN, I COULD STILL SEE LIKE IF THE METER GOES OUT OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN ESTIMATED BILL. I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BELLS NOW ARE ACTUAL COMPARED TO, BEFORE WE HAD THE RADIO READ WATER METERS, THEN THEY DID, LIKE YOU SAID, JAM EVERY THREE MONTHS THEY WOULD DO AN ACTUAL, BUT IT WAS ESTIMATED IN THE INTERVENING MONTHS. YEAH. THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER TIMEFRAME AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, TRIGGER THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO USE, YOU KNOW, BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS FROM THE LAST ACTUAL READING OR WHATEVER THEY, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TIMEFRAME THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING WOULD WANT TO USE OR LOOK, I THINK, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIMEFRAME FOR THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS BASICALLY. YEAH. UM, I THINK THAT'S IN THERE, THEY HAVE TO APPEAL IN WRITING TO THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD WOULD BE, YEAH. IT JUST SAYS IN WRITING TO THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ENVIRONMENT OR YOUR BOARD AS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL. SO, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROVISIONS IN HERE THAT DON'T ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE SPECIFICS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO THEY BRING IT UP HERE OR WHEREVER THEY MAIL IT TO THOSE WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE OR PROCEDURES. THIS IS MORE LIKE THE OVERARCHING POLICY AND THE CODE THAT WOULD SPELL OUT THE PARAMETERS. AND THEN, UH, THAT WOULD BE DEFINED USUALLY INTERNALLY IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE FROM THERE. AND, AND WE DO GET THE ASSIGNMENT. I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, WATER AND SEWER BOARD, UH, ROUTINELY GETS, UH, IT'S NOT EXCESSIVE NUMBER, BUT THEY USUALLY HAVE ONE OR TWO, MAYBE EVERY MEETING. OKAY. AND THEN AT THE END, LIKE I SAY, NORMALLY THE PENALTY SECTION IS AT THE END OF THE SECTION AND THERE IS NO PENALTY SECTION FOR 23. THE ONLY PENALTY SECTION IS NINE 23.04 IN NINE 23.4, WHICH WAS YOUR POINT EARLIER WHEN I RAISED PREVIOUSLY, UH, NINE 24 OR CHAPTER NINE 20, I HAD A COUPLE MORE THINGS ON, UH, NINE 2301, WAIT, ONE A THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. ANYWAY, IT BEGINS WITH CUSTOMER MAY RECEIVE A REBATE, AT LEAST [01:00:04] SOMETHING CUS CUSTOMER WILL RECEIVE A REBATE FOR THE SATURDAY SUI CHARGING KURT AS A REAL ASSAULT OF FILLING A MANMADE LAKE ON. ALRIGHT, G ONE. OKAY. OKAY. MY FIRST POINT IS IF WE COULD CHANGE, UH, UPDATE THE LANGUAGE MANMADE ARTIFICIAL, OR THEN ANOTHER QUESTION WOULD, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS. I DON'T THINK IT REALLY AFFECTS MUCH. DOES THE MANMADE REFER ONLY TO THE POND OR DOES IT REFER TO THE POND LAKE OR SIMILAR BASIN? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D HAVE A NATURAL LAKE THAT WASN'T ALREADY FILLED, BUT I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO APPLY TO ALL OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE COULD MAKE THE CHANGE, UH, ARTIFICIAL MAN-MADE ARTIFICIAL. AND THEN SOME OF THESE ARE THE REASON THEY GET REBATES FOR THE SWIMMING POOLS OR, OR PODS AND STUFF LIKE THIS IS JUST, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WATER. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TREATED THROUGH THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM. SO THEY'RE NOT CHARGED. RIGHT. SEWER PART OF IT, THE SEWER PART OF IT ON THIS, THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ON THAT USE OF THE WATER AND THERE WAS ANOTHER, AT A CAPITAL C, PROBABLY IN THE SAME SELECTION. HOW, OH YEAH. CAPITAL C . AND THEN IN NINE 23, 11 D THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT A MORE MODERN WORD, WORKMANSHIP THERE'S WORKMANSHIP, WORKMAN, LIKE AND WORKMANSHIP. UH, SO FOR THE FIRST WORKMANSHIP, I SUGGEST I SUGGEST CHANGE THAT TO QUALITY. SECOND WORKMAN, LIKE CHANGE THAT TO QUALITY AS WELL. AND THEN THE THIRD WORKMANSHIP, WHEREAS THIS, ANY WORKMANSHIP FAILING TO MEET THE STANDARDS, JUST CHANGE THAT TO WORK, ANY WORK, FAILING, FAILING, TO MEET THE STANDARDS. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU DON'T WANT TO PROJECT YOUR LIFE. I MEAN, THIS ONE WAS, WELL, THE SECTIONS ON TITLED WORKMANSHIP TOO THOUGH. YEAH. THAT ONE WAS A HARD ONE THOUGH. A LOT OF THE WORDS PEOPLE SAID WORK PERSON, AND THAT JUST DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT. AND HOLDING FISHING. I'M GOING TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT CHANGING THE LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S STILL HAS THE MAN UPDATE THE SKILLFUL. WELL, WOMAN STILL HAS MY EDITOR. OH YEAH. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO IN HERE, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PROPOSE SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS ABOUT, THEN WE'LL CHANGE. AND THERE'S ALSO A BUNCH OF INSTANCES OF MANHOLE, BUT I COULD NOT FIND THE ONLY OTHER ONE WORD I COULD FIND WAS UTILITY HOLDING. THAT DOES NOT SAY THE SAME THING AS AROUND MANHOLE TO ME. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T, UM, I MEAN, AND THE CODE ITSELF HASN'T BEEN SCRUBBED OR ALL GENDER REFERENCES, I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN TRY TO HIT THE ONES WHERE YOU SEE, BUT YEAH, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE BEEN MISSED ALREADY. YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE DID AWAY WITH IT, WHEN IT SAYS THE CONTRACTOR SHALL FOLLOW ALL LAWS AND STANDARDS OF THE CITY PERFORM THE INSTALLATION IN AN ACCEPTABLE AND TIMELY MANNER. YEAH. WOULD THAT HAVING MEAT COVER THE, THE INTENT OF THAT SECTION AND THEN ANY WORK FAILING TO MEET THE STANDARDS? I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY FULFILL [01:05:01] THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF THAT SECTION. ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE? NINE 23. OKAY. MOVING ON TO NINE 24, DUST-FREE OVER FREE TREATMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S THE OTHER SECTION THAT IS EPA MANDATE. SO WE DON'T NEED TO REVIEW THAT. IT DOES. THAT'S THE SECTION THOUGH, THAT DOES REFERENCE THE ADDRESS FOR NEED MORE ROAD. YEAH. COULD YOU JUST STATE THE SECTION? SO WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORDING AND I'LL GET IT FROM THE MINUTES. THERE'S NINE 2304 DEFINITIONS. UH, THESE JUST HAVE THESE DON'T HAVE LETTERS NEXT TO THEM. P O T W TREATMENT PLANT MEANS THE NORTH REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED AT THREE 77 OLD NEEDMORE ROAD, DAYTON, OHIO. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A REFERENCE UP ABOVE AND THEN SAME THING UNDER IT'S THE DEFINITION WHERE IT SAYS NEW SOURCE, THAT'S THE, AND IT REFERENCES UNDER SECTION 3.07 C OF THE ACT. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN HERE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS THE ACT IS, SO ME TURN IT, I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY REFERRING TO THE EQUAL OR PROBABLY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT, BUT IT JUST SAYS THE ACT THAT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ANY DEFINITE ANY IDENTIFICATION. WELL, THIS WAS COPIED OVER FROM SUCH AN ACT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, THEY'RE THERE, LIKE I SAY, THERE ARE REFERENCES TO THE NORTH, YOU KNOW, AND ARE AND RWP OR TP. YEAH. YEAH. UH, LET'S SEE, MOVING ON TO NINE 25, NINE, 24 POINT OF, OH NO, THAT'S STILL PART OF THAT 24, NINE 25, UH, SEWER DISTRICTS. UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE ARE ALL THOSE DISTRICTS STILL IN EXISTENCE AND ARE THEY IN, ARE THEY COMPLETE? THAT WOULD BE, SO THE QUESTION FOR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THERE'S IT REFERENCES THE NORTHWEST SEWER DISTRICT, THE BRAND IN A STATE SEWER DISTRICT, THE MIAMI VILLA SEWERAGE DISTRICT, THE LOWER RIPRAP ROAD, SEWER DISTRICT, LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE TO BE COMPLETE, BUT ALL THE ASSESSMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID. YEAH. FOR THEM TO, LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL, I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY, UH, THERE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SEWER DISTRICTS THAT AREN'T IDENTIFIED IN YOUR ANDREW, ALL THESE SORT OF DISTRICTS STILL EXIST, THAT WOULD BE WHERE ALL THESE SEWER DISTRICTS ARE THEY INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER? ARE THEY CONNECTED IN SOME WAY? ARE THERE GOING TO BE, SAY FOR THE WATER DISTRICTS, UH, THE NEXT SECTION NINE 27 DEALS WITH, UH, EXTENSION OF WATER SERVICES AND DEALING WITH, UH, EXTENSIONS OF WATER LIONS AND, YOU KNOW, TAP INS? UM, I DIDN'T HAVE, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IN THAT SECTION AT ALL. UH, ANY COMMENTS OR NINE 27. OKAY. MOVING ON NINE 29 WATER DISTRIBUTION. UH, AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN NINE 29. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES [01:10:02] AGAIN, NINE 29.38 DEALING WITH BILLING COMPLAINTS. IT SAYS CUSTOMERS WHO ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESOLUTION TO A BILLING COMPLAINT MAY APPEAL IN WRITING TO THE CITIZENS, WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD. UH, TWO QUESTIONS. I, IF IT DOESN'T, HOW IS A BILLING W HOW DOES ONE FILE A BILLING COMPLAINT? IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THERE'S. NO, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE TALKING ABOUT, DO THEY FILE IT WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT? HOW IS THE COMPLAINT PROCESS STARTED? HOW'S IT INITIATED? UM, THAT'S MY QUESTION ONE. AND THEN QUESTION TWO IS IT SAYS, MAY APPEAL IN WRITING. AGAIN, THERE'S NO LENGTH OF TIME WITHIN WHICH THE PERSON CAME UP EEL, UH, THE WATER BILL. THOSE WOULD BE TWO THINGS I THINK, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SECTION? THE ORDINANCES. OKAY. UH, THEN NINE 31 THAT DEALS WITH WATER DISTRIBUTION STRIKES AND MIKE, SAME QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, UH, SEVERAL DISTRICTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED. DO THEY ALL, BECAUSE THAT'S STILL, AND ARE THEY ALL, ARE THEY THE ONLY WATER, UH, TAP IN DISTRICTS? AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE TWO, MOST RECENT ONES ARE REFLECTED HERE IN THE CODE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, COUNCIL PASSED THE MARK AVENUE TAPPIN DISTRICT IN 2018. THAT'S BEEN CODIFIED HERE. AND THEN THE CHAMBERSBURG PHASE THREE TAP INDUSTRY WAS DONE IN 2019. SO AT LEAST THE MOST RECENT ONES HAVE BEEN CODIFIED IN HERE. UM, BUT WE'LL ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS WE DID WITH THE SEWER DISTRICTS AND NINE 30, TWO BACKFLOW PREVENTION CONTROL AND CROSS CANAL CONTAMINATION, ELIMINATION, RULES, AND REGULATIONS. UM, THAT WAS GETTING FOR ME A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL THAN I AM. I ACTUALLY SAY THAT'S BEYOND MY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE. WELL, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD ON THERE, ON THE RP, IT'S THE WRONG KIND OF PRINCIPLE, REDUCED PRESSURE PRINCIPLE, BACKFLOW, PREVENTER, GOOGLE THAT I SEARCH THAT ON THE INTERNET. IT'S PRINCIPLE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PRINCIPLE WITH PLE, NOT PRINCIPAL WITH P A L. WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU AT? OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS IN THAT. OKAY. SORRY. NINE 2307, THE TWO TYPES OF TWO TYPES OF ABBREVIATIONS, AIG AND RP. UH, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, YOU USE THE WRONG MEDICINE. ALL THESE TABLES. THE SECOND COLUMN IS ALL FOR MINIMUM TYPE OF PROTECTION IS RP. IF THERE'S AN EASIER WAY TO LIST THESE ALL AND JUST SAY THESE ALL USE RP INSTEAD OF HAVING A TABLE WITH THE SECOND COLUMN, BOYS MAY THE SAME, UNLESS THERE'S A CHANCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THAT THE MOVE TYPE OF PROTECTION CHANGE FOR CERTAIN ONES. YEAH. WELL, IF THERE'S A KNEE, IF THERE'S A REASON WHY, I MEAN THERE, THE CODIFICATION IS GOING TO DO THAT BASED ON WHAT WE PROVIDED THEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REASON THAT IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. AND I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE THE TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT ARE LISTED. ARE THEY INCLUSIVE? I MEAN, ARE THEY COMPLETE OR IS THERE SOMETHING, I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE OTHER TYPES OF FACILITIES THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE THAT AREN'T, THAT AREN'T MENTIONED? [01:15:01] AND, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE LIKE ENGINEERING MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT WITH THAT THIS PRETTY MUCH COVERS EVERYTHING, EVERY TYPE OF, UM, OF ENDEAVOR THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WOULD CREATE A POTENTIAL PROBLEM ON MOBILE. SECOND SECTION OF SECOND LOSS, THERE COVERS A LOT OF SITUATION ON THOSE FACILITIES. SO LIKE PLAYING ABOUT, UM, SOLAR AND WATER SYSTEMS, NOT CONNECTED TO, UM, SO I MIGHT COVER SOME OF THOSE, ANOTHER REDUCED PRESSURE AS JUST A REQUIREMENT INSTEAD OF ERIC APP. AND EVERY SITUATION WILL BE CROSS-CONTAMINATION LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS, UH, THIS ORDINANCE WAS PASSED WAS BACK IN 2000. SO PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA FOR ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S STILL, IT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN THINK OF AT THIS POINT. WELL, THEY WERE SAYING ALL THESE THINGS, I NEVER GET IT. I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE PROBLEM, I GUESS WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT IS, HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AND IT'S OKAY. UH, BUT, UH, UM, ANYTHING ELSE IN NINE 30 TO NINE 34 FEES FOR WATER DISTRIBUTION AND SANITARIUM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, WE'VE JUST COME UP ON WHERE THESE NEED TO BE UPDATED AND, UH, AND SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR. UH, WE HAD A BUNCH OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, UH, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND, UH, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE PREPARED THE REVISED TABLES FOR THE ADJUSTED RATES. UM, THE WAY IT WORKS NOW IS COUNCIL SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT APPROVED A ADJUSTED PERCENTAGE RATES, BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE TIED TO THE CPI, UH, FOR A FEW FUTURE INCREASES THAT ARE AUTOMATICALLY DONE. SO, UH, THEY'VE DONE ALL THESE CALCULATIONS. THEY'VE BEEN AUDITED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, THE SUPPLEMENT SAT AND THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED LAST NIGHT, UH, TO THE CITY CODE, UH, INCLUDES ALL THE UPDATES TO SECTION NINE 34 WITH THEM KIND OF RATES. SO, UM, THAT'S ALREADY DONE AND, AND WE'LL BE CODIFIED HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. OKAY. WE CAN SAY CPI INFLATION. YEAH. IT'S LIKE AN INFLATIONARY, THERE'S A FORMULA PRODUCT INDEX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. THERE'S A SPECIFIC FORMULA THAT WAS AGREED, UH, TO BE UTILIZED AS PART OF THE, UH, THE INCREASE MEASURES, UH, FOR BOTH THE WATER AND SEWER RATES. AND THAT'S HOW IT WILL BE CONDUCTED IN THE FUTURE RATHER THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, A FIXED PERCENTAGE RATING. I DO IT. I'VE GOT, JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION ON HOW THE BILL IS CALCULATED WHEN IT SAYS, UM, THERE'S A SEPARATE RATE FOR OVER 1500 CUBIC FEET. IS THAT FOR ADDITIONAL ONES ABOVE SIFTING, HURRICANE FEED IS THE REDUCED RATE OR IS IT EVERYTHING IS THE REDUCED RATE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE THE WAY, IF IT WAS MAGIC, THE REDUCE, THEN YOU WOULD PAY LEFT 1501 1400. YOU WANT TO TURN IT ON? YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT LOGICALLY WOULD SAY TO ME THAT IT CHANGES AFTER THAT BENCHMARK, BUT YEAH, WE CAN FIND OUT I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T GET INTO THE TECHNICALITIES ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR MY OWN. HOW DO I KNOW WHICH WATER DISTRICT ON END? UM, NOT EVERYBODY'S IN A WATER DISTRICT. THAT'S A SPOTIFY. I ASSUME IF I'M PAYING THE CITY THOUGH. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE RATE BAR, NOT ON THE TAB ON THE RAY PART. OKAY. UM, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY, THEY DECIDE THAT. OKAY. UM, THAT'D BE SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT. AND MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION, I HAD NINE 34.08. UM, AND AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING THAT, THAT THE FEES THAT ARE BEING CHARGED FOR LIKE THE ANTENNA, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THESE [01:20:01] WERE AGAIN ON 10 YEARS AGO, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE THE, THAT ARE BEING CHARGED, UM, ARE STILL APPROPRIATE IN 2021. AND IF NOT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE, TO THOSE CHARGES, THOSE FEES. YEAH. THERE'S AN, UM, PERIODIC ASSESSMENTS OF JUST FEES IN GENERAL FOR THE CITY, UM, DONE BY CITY STAFF OVER THE YEARS, BUT AT THE BEHEST OF DIFFERENT ST MANAGERS. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE'S BEEN LOOKED AT RECENTLY, UH, JOE, ONE THING ON, UH, SECTION NINE 30, 402 WATER DISTRIBUTION RATES. IT SAYS, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED ELSEWHERE IN THE SECTION WATER RATES FOR ALL CUSTOMERS, INCLUDING CUSTOMERS THAT RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS THAT ARE IN THE HUBER EAST WATER DISTRICT SYSTEM, THE RATES SHALL BE AS FOLLOWS. AND THEN IT SPELLS OUT ALL THOSE RATES FOREVER THAT THEY'RE THE SAME PRICE. OKAY. AND THEN NINE AND 35 DITCH AND STREAM WORK BY SITTING FORCES. UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN MATH. WE'RE ON 35 NOW. YEAH. NINE 35 ONLY THING I KNOW. I SAW A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE NINE 35 OH TWO. UH, IT SAYS IT STARTS WITH THE LEGAL ANALYSIS IS VERY SIMPLE. IT SHALL INVOLVE, I WOULD JUST STRIKE OUT IS VERY SIMPLE. IT, SO WE JUST READ THE LEGAL ANALYSIS SHALL INVOLVE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'M LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, TALKING DOWN TO SOMEBODY. YEAH. YEAH. AND WHEN IT COMES TO LEGAL ANALYSIS, I, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, NOTHING SIMPLE ANALYSIS, VERY SAD. IT WAS LIKE THEY TOOK SOMEONE, THE GUY TO SOMEONE'S MAMMO AND JUST CODIFIED IT OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. YEAH. HEY, LOOK, IT'S SIMPLE. YEAH. I AGREE, JIM. I W I WISH IT WERE. YEAH, ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT SECTION, THE NEXT NOTES I HAVE ARE A COUPLE OF SECTIONS NEXT. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE TO SAY IT'S SIMPLE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT. UM, OKAY. LET'S PUT NEXT. UH, OH, MY NEXT NOTE ISN'T TILL 9:50 PM. HOPEFULLY WE WON'T STILL BE HERE. THEN SECOND. I SAID, MY NEXT COMMENT IS NOT TILL SECTION NINE 50 AND I SAID, NOT PM. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NINE 43 CITY PARKS. UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, DOES THE DOG PARK FALL UNDER THE CITY PARK IN BERLIN? YES. WAS IT A REPURPOSED PARK WE ALREADY HAD, OR IS IT A BRAND NEW PART? LIKE COMPLETELY BRAND NEW, WELL, SOME REASON I HAD IN MY HEAD, IT WAS REPURPOSED LIKE A PARK. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WE TURNED INTO A DOG PARK, BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG. WELL, IT WAS AN EXISTING PARK. YEAH. UM, LET'S SEE WHICH ONE IT WAS, WAS A MAN. LOT OF KIDDING. NO KIDDING. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN HERE TO THE DOG PARK. OKAY. WAS THAT SECOND STILL CALLED? UM, KITTY HAWK. YEAH. IT'S THE FLYER FIELD OR YELLED AT KITTY HAWK OR SOMETHING, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY UPDATE THAT. OKAY. AND THIS IS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF ALL OUR PARTS. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IS THE WILD VIEW PARK, THE DIAL DERIVED PARK THAT WE REFER TO THAT'S, UM, CRUISER AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS, FALSE PRODUCT. WELL, ACTUALLY, NO, THE FALSE PARK AND WILDLIFE PARK IS DIFFERENT. THERE IS A, AND I DIDN'T EVEN [01:25:01] REALIZE IT WAS A PARK. THERE IS A LITTLE WATERFALL THAT RUNS BETWEEN LONGFORD AND, AND DAYA OR, AND TAYLORSVILLE THAT'S CALLED FALLS PARK. THAT'S THE WHOLE PART. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS AN ACTUAL PARK AND I KNEW IT WAS BACK THERE BECAUSE MY KIDS WOULD GO BACK THERE AND PLAY. BUT THEN WILD VIEW, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT ON DIAL. BUT I THINK THAT THE ONE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, WHERE WE GOT ON THE BIKE YES. IS WILD VIEW. SO I'VE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. DIDN'T THE SCHOOL GIVE US PART OF THAT. YEAH. WE EXCHANGE, WE DID AN EXCHANGE SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOR THAT LAND, FOR THAT PARK. WE TOOK IT OVER FROM THE CITY HUBER FELONY IN PORTABLE SCHOOLS. RIGHT. UM, AND PARKS AND REC HAD RECENTLY HAD DISCUSSION ON THIS, ABOUT RENAMING THAT PARK OR WASN'T FALLS APART. ONE OF THE TWO PARKS. THEY WANT TO RENAME IT'S IN THE PROCESS NOW. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO PUT ON ASS WILD VIEW. SOUNDS INTERESTING. WELL, I THINK, I THINK AT LEAST WE SHOULD CORRESPOND THIS TO LIKE, EVEN ON THE WEBSITE, THERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE CURRENT PARKS. SO I WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. RIGHT. AND THEN, OKAY. THEY MAKE FUTURE CHANGES AND WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE IT FROM THERE. ALTHOUGH THE LIST IS, SAY IT'S INCLUDES, BUT NOT LIMITED TO OKAY. HORSES IN THE PARKS AND NO HORSES IN THE PARK, UH, VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC FAIRLY WELL DEFINES WHERE YOU'RE DOWN, SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, CAMPING WATER AREAS, UM, ACTUALLY ON THE PARK REMOVAL, DESTRUCTION, NATURAL RESOURCES ERECTION ON THE TRAIL PROTECTION OF ANIMALS DOES CONDUCT, UM, COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES, SPECIAL EVENTS. AND THEN THE PENALTY SECTION FOR WHOEVER VIOLATES IT, UH, COM NINE 45 COMPETITIVE VIDEOS, SERVICE. OKAY. AUTHORIZATIONS. WHAT IS THAT? I WAS LIKE CABLE, TV. I THINK IT'S LIKE THE UVERSE. AND, UM, OKAY. SO THE ONES THAT THEY CAN JUST PUT THOSE BOXES THAT HAVE HERE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE METRONET NOW AND SPECTRUM. ALTHOUGH I WAS WONDERING IN THIS WORLD HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT STREAMING SERVICES, SOMETIMES THE STREAMING SERVICES MIGHT COME ON A LITTLE STICK, LIKE HMM. WAS ON FIRED. YEAH. BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT INCUMBENT CABLE PROVIDERS BEING A CABLE FRANCHISE, SUB A HOLDER OF A CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JERRY, JUST LOOK AT THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SO YEAH. UM, THE CURRENT STANDARDS THAT WE'RE OPERATING BY, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE ARCHAIC. YEAH. I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS PASSED IN OH EIGHT AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN THAT AREA SINCE THEN. I KNOW AT ONE TIME, LIKE IF THEY, UH, CABLE PROVIDER WAS GOING TO START SERVICING A CERTAIN AREA, THEY HAD CERTAIN NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THEY HAD TO MAKE TO THE MUNICIPALITY SIMILAR TO WHAT METRON EDGES DID WHEN THEY CAME IN, GAVE NOTICE TO THE CITY THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, EXPANDING THEIR INTERNET AND TELEVISION SERVICE OR TABLE SERVICE, UH, HYDROCODONE, THE REFERENCES IN THE VIDEO SERVICE MEANS THE SORT OF DEFINED IN OHIO ARTSY, 1330, TWO 21, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS EFFECTIVE IN 2007. SO THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE WHERE THIS WAS 2008 THEN, RIGHT? YEAH. I KNOW WHEN YOU FIRST, FIRST CAME OUT, THERE WAS A BIG THING BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST ERECTING THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, UNITS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF MOTIVES. AND SO COMMUNITIES WERE COMPLAINING BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE WOULD WAKE UP ONE DAY AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UH, A UVERSE BOX OR TERMINAL AND THEIR, UH, PROPERTY THAT APPEARED OVERNIGHT. SO I THINK SOME OF THAT [01:30:01] CAME ABOUT IN TERMS OF REGULATING, UH, HOW THAT IS DONE AND WHAT NOTIFICATION IS REQUIRED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. YEAH. I, I, I REMEMBER WE DEALT WITH THAT WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT, THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM. BACK AT THAT POINT, IT LOOKS LIKE U-VERSE WAS LAUNCHED IN 2006. YEAH. AND THEY DIDN'T GET TO HUBER. IT WAS A FEW YEARS AFTER THAT. THEY WERE A LITTLE, UM, AND THEN, SO NINE SECTION NINE 50 GRADING PERMITS. YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS IN THAT SECTION NINE, NINE 50 OH FIVE, EIGHT THREE OH FIVE A MAJOR. YES. IT SHOULD BE THE WORD MAJOR INSTEAD OF MAYOR. UM, YEAH. JEFF MIGHT TAKE EXCEPTION. UM, AND THE SECTION, THESE SECTIONS DEAL WITH BASICALLY A GRADING OF, YOU KNOW, THE REAL ESTATE AND, UH, AND A LOT OF THAT, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE AS PART OF A PLAN PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS PART OF IT. I DIDN'T HAVE, I DID NOT HAVE ANY SECTION, ANY QUESTIONS UP UNTIL, UM, I HAD A QUESTION ON NINE 50.1, TWO DEALING WITH ACTION UPON NON-COMPLIANCE, UH, A THREE SAYS THE PERMIT T FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE WARNING NOTICE WITHIN THE SPECIFIED TIME. AND, UM, LIKE, I GUESS I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THAT BECAUSE I HAD THAT CROSSED OUT. SO I HAD AN UNDERLINE. OKAY. WITH IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, THEN NINE 51 DEALING WITH ENGINEERING RELATED FEES. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS, UM, PASSED IN 2014. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE FEES ARE STILL, UH, UP TO DATE AND SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE COSTS THE CITY'S INCURRING. UM, IF NOT, I AM ASSUMING ENGINEERING RULE WITH, LET US KNOW, UH, CHAPTER NINE 52 ALARM SYSTEMS. UM, THIS WAS INTRODUCED IN 2013 AND A RESPONSE TO ISSUES WITH PEOPLE WHO HAD, UH, REPEATED FALSE ALARMS. AND IT WAS TAXING THE RESOURCES OF THE POLICE AND FIRE DIVISIONS TO GO OUT AND CHECK THESE ALARMS THAT PEOPLE JUST WEREN'T TAKING CARE OF THEIR SYSTEMS ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR SYSTEMS. AND, AND SO IT IMPOSES A PENALTY AT A CERTAIN POINT FOR FALSE ALARMS. AND I THINK IT'S BEEN, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FAIRLY EFFECTIVE IN DETERRING, UM, THE LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE FALSE ALARMS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. IS THERE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN, INTO THE LIKE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, FALSE ALARMS BUSINESS, FALSE ALARMS, AND LIKE A HOTEL, FALSE ALARM, OR ARE THEY JUST KIND OF ALL ALONG THE WAY I READ IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER. UH THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A BREAKDOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT? SO THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS NOT IN THE FALSE ALARM SECTION NINE 52, WAIT, NINE 52, THREE IN BOTH THE, AND SEE, UM, THERE'S A [01:35:01] LOT OF A PREMISE PREMISES. SO IN B, SOMEWHERE WHO SAYS ALARM SYSTEM OPERATING IN A PREMISES THAT IS NOT A REGISTERED ESSENTIAL PREMISES. WELL, I THINK PREMISES, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT PREMISES IN KIND OF A LEGAL TANK. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WELL MAYBE WE WOULD ADMIT THE AID IN FRONT OF IT CAUSE THAT A IMPLIES IT'S SINGULAR. YEAH. IN PREMISES THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL PREMISES. JUST THE WORD PREMISES MEANS LIKE, IF I OWN A PIECE OF, I OWN A HOUSE, MY HOUSE IS MY PREMISES. IT'S NOT MY PLACE. OH, OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. PREMISES ITSELF IS SINGULAR, RIGHT? IT CAN BE SINGULAR. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT? OKAY. UM, SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO BE FURTHER REVIEWED AND BROUGHT BACK NEXT MEETING, UH, WE'RE MOVING ON [ Administrative/Process Issues] TO TOPIC THREE, UH, C ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS ISSUES. UM, THE ONLY THING I HAVE AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO TONY A WHILE BACK, I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN ON VACATION, UH, THE MEETING DATE IN JULY. UM, AND I ASKED TONY ABOUT IF WE COULD MOVE THE MEETING EARLIER A WEEK OR, OR IF NOT, THEN GLEN, YOU KNOW, GLEN COULD CHAIR THE MEETING. IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I WON'T BE HERE THAT MEETING. AND IF THEY WANTED, IF I THINK THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE, YOU SAID, YEAH, IT'S, UH, SCHEDULED FOR JULY, UH, 21ST. AND, UH, THE ROOM WON'T BE AVAILABLE ON JULY 14TH, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE ALSO HAVE TO CHANGE THE CALENDAR THAT WE PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS, UH, WHEN CERTAIN SECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED. AND THEN WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE'D HAVE A QUORUM TO ATTEND THAT MEETING. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, I'M JUST AS I'M JUST OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, PLANNER, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR ME TO CHANGE A MEETING BECAUSE OF ME WOULD BE MORE TROUBLE, BUT IT WOULD BE WORTH AND I'M OKAY WITH RIGHT DURING THE MEETING. I WOULDN'T BE HERE ON THE 14TH, SO I WOULD GET OUT OF, YEAH. SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH DOING IT. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE IF THAT MAYBE I WILL TRY TO JOIN THE MEETING OR, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY IF WE KNEW IN ADVANCE, WE COULD MAKE SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS TO HAVE A HYBRID MEETING IF NEEDED. YEAH. WHERE I'M AT. UNFORTUNATELY THE I'M IN NORTHERN WISCONSIN AND, UH, IT'S INTERNET SERVICE UP THERE SPORADIC, UH, HAD ISSUES WITH IT UP THERE. SO, BUT ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SAVING IF YOU CAN BE SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL BE ABLE TO, I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT VIA EMAIL. SO THE NEXT SECTION WILL BE A PART 11, WHICH IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING CON. WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS SCHEDULED, UM, FOR THAT PART OF THE CODE. AND, UH, THAT'LL BE BOTH THE MAY AND THE, UH, JUNE MEETINGS. AND, UH, SO I WILL BREAK IT UP ABOUT MIDPOINT, UM, AND IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CUTOFF FOR THE BABY AND, UH, GET THOSE MATERIALS OUT TO YOU GUYS BY NEXT WEEK. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. IS THAT RIGHT? DO WE HAD THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT TO TALK FOR, THE PLANNING AND ZONING, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE TO SHARE? CAN I CREATE A FACEBOOK, PRIVATE AND TALK TO SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS ANY TYPES OF WORK? JUST LIKE WE'RE SEEING FOOD TRUCK BECOME MORE PROMINENT. I HAD A FEAR AND I'M LOOKING AT A FOOD EVEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST FOUND IT. WE HAD CONTRACTORS TRAILERS. OKAY. NICE TO REVISIT THAT. THAT'S ALL. SO YOU'D TALK LIKE JUST YOU TALKING TO THEM. I JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE. I MEAN, [01:40:01] LIKE INSTEAD OF US GETTING TOGETHER, WHICH CLEARLY, I MEAN, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BUY SOME BEER AT A LOCAL BEER PLACE AND JUST OPEN UP, WELL, THAT'S FINE. IF YOU WANT TO GATHER, YOU KNOW, AS YOURSELF AND THEN BRING BACK SOME OF THAT INFORMATION BUT THEY CAN ALSO COME TO THE MEETING ITSELF AND REPRESENT, UH, ON THEIR OWN BEHALF. UM, THE ONLY THING ABOUT INVITING EVERYBODY INTO YOUR THING WOULD BE AS IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THERE AND THEN THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTING PUBLIC BUSINESS. WE'D HAVE A SUNSHINE, ALL VIOLATIONS. SO WE CAN HAVE A QUORUM OF THE, UH, THE COMMISSION ENGAGED IN WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING HERE. IF PEOPLE WANTED TO SPEAK, TALK ABOUT RIGHT. IMPLEMENT ANY TYPE OF CHANGE OR SAY ADVOCATE FOR IT AND REALISTIC. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE. JUST IN GENERAL, DO YOU KNOW, IS THIS LIKE A BAD TIME FOR THEM THIS TIME? RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN OWN KAYAKS? YOU CAN OWN A BIKE TRAILER CAMPER. I MEAN, YOU JUST THERE'S WITHOUT POURING A SPECIAL DRIVE OR APPEALING TO, I MEAN, THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE. I MEAN, IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT TO ME, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET, MAYBE YOU CAN PUT ENOUGH OUT THERE THAT WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF SUFFICIENT REPRESENTATION. YEAH. I THINK IT CARRIES MORE WEIGHT FOR THEM TO COME HERE AND SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION. PLUS WE'RE GOING TO BE RECORDING IT IN LIVE STREAMING. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RECORD OF THOSE CONCERNS TOO. SO THERE IS A BENEFIT TO DOING IT HERE. I WOULD ALSO SAY SOMEONE MENTIONED FACEBOOK AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE. IF THE SAME RULES APPLY, THEN US AS A BODY DISCUSSING THAT THROUGH A SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM AS A WOULD BE HAVING AN ACTUAL MEETING. SO, UH, THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A PUBLIC MEETING. IF MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONER ENGAGING WITH PEOPLE ON THE SUBJECT, ON FACEBOOK THAT THEY SHOULD COME TO THE MEETING TO VOICE THAT THAT'S PERFECTLY. AND THAT WOULD BE MORE WHAT I WAS THINKING. PUT IT OUT THERE THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT WE GET A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD EXPRESS ALMOST ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE WE'D ALL BECAUSE CERTAINLY THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO BUY KAYAKS OR CONTRACTORS. AND THERE'S ENOUGH OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT HUMOR THAT CERTAINLY WOULD VOICE THEIR CONCERN. IF THEY'RE AWARE THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU VISIT THE HISTORY VIEWER, I MEAN AT ONE TIME YOU BUILD THIS WHOLE CITY, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BRICK LAYERS AND TRUCKS AND TRAILERS. I MEAN, THEY JUST DEAL WITH THEM. THEY'RE ALL THE SAY THINGS, A LOT OF ARCHITECTS LIVE WITHIN THE CITY AND SUB CONTRACTORS. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DIDN'T DO IT TO ELIMINATE THE COMPETITION. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO ALWAYS BE LOOKING OUT THEIR WINDOW TO SEE A BUNCH OF TRAILER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE PEOPLE NEED THE TRAILER TO DO THEIR JOB THAT THEY POSSIBLY HAVEN'T TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I, THE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT HERE. IT'S MORE COSMETIC. I THINK TYPICALLY IN COMMUNITIES, THIS ISN'T UNCOMMON THAT YOU HAVE THESE TYPES OF REGULATIONS, CUBA HEIGHTS, ISN'T THE ONLY PLACE THAT DOES THAT. UM, WELL, ENFORCEMENT'S A DIFFERENT THING. AND HERE IN UBER, TYPICALLY MOST OF THOSE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS ARE COMPLAINT DRIVEN. MEANING SOMEONE HAS TO REPORT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR THOSE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS. SO, UM, SO YEAH, I THINK HAVING A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THOSE ISSUES WOULD BE IMPORTANT AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE COULD GET HERE TO, UM, SPEAK TO THOSE. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY EXPERIENCE IS THERE'S AS MANY PASSIONATE PEOPLE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ISSUE, THAT TO SOME YOU, UM, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO TO SHOW THEIR STRENGTH IN NUMBERS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, [01:45:01] THE PASSION AND, AND THEIR POSITION, UH, WITH AIDEN, BOTH APPROACHING THIS COMMISSION AND TO CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY, AND MAKING THE DECISION BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY THERE'S TWO VERY, UH, PASSIONATE SIDES, UH, ON THESE TYPES OF ISSUES. YEAH. TONY, IN TERMS OF A MANAGEMENT POINT OF VIEW, DEALING WITH THE MEETING, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE LIKE THEY DO AT COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT IF YOU, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA WANT US, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO SPEAK ON A PARTICULAR SECTION THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT THEY HAVE A FORM THAT THEY COULD FILL OUT. SO WE KNOW, UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY BECOME A, JUST KIND OF A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSIONS. I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE FLOW OF THE MEETING GOING FORWARD. UM, I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES, BUT IF THERE WOULD BE A WAY OF DOING THAT IN A, IN AN ORDERLY FASHION, SO THAT IF I KNOW FOUR PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ON THIS PARTICULAR CODES, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE THAT I COULD, I HAVE THAT AND I CAN CALL ON THOSE PEOPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WORKS WELL AT COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO IT KIND OF ALLOWS PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE HEARD AND THEY DON'T GET OVERLOOKED BY THE DIOCESE HERE. SO MAYOR, UH, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE TO SEE AND I CAN SEND SOMETHING OUT. UM, CERTAINLY I WOULD THINK THAT IF PEOPLE COME TO ME, YOU KNOW, IN MAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND SHARE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK JIM WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME GENERAL AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE MAYBE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT POINT. UM, BUT, UH, LET ME SEE WHERE THAT FALLS IN TERMS OF THE PROGRESSION OF PART 11 AND THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, WHETHER IT, IT FIT BETTER IN THE MAY OR JUNE MEETING. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WELL, I DO PROBABLY WILL HAVE ONE OTHER CITIZEN HERE THAT I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, FOR PART 11. UM, AND THAT IS, UM, THIS PERSON IS DEALING WITH A NEIGHBOR THAT'S OPERATING A, UH, HOME BUSINESS ON A COURT. AND, UM, THEY'VE BEEN REFERRED HERE TO THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT THERE'S SOME PARKING RELATED ISSUES THAT THEY'RE PARKING AT ALL KINDS OF ANGLES IN THE COURT. AND, UH, OBSTRUCTING FIRE EXTINGUISHERS ARE NOT FIRING. SO FIRE HYDRANTS AND, UH, PEOPLE'S MAILBOXES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT ALSO NOT PARKING NECESSARILY AGAINST THE CURB. SOME OF THEM ARE JUST PULLING IN AGAINST THE CURB. UM, AND, UH, SHE'S COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS REGULARLY. SO SHE WANTS TO COME AND SPEAK TO THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION. NOW, IS THAT MORE OF AN ENFORCEMENT QUESTION NOW, OTHER CHAIN OR AN ISSUE? PARKING PART OF IT IS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, AS I TOLD THE MAYOR, UH, UH, THAT PART OF IT IS, BUT, UH, THEY WANT TO LOOK ALSO AT THE, UH, THE HOME BUSINESS, UH, PARTS OF IT IN TERMS OF, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THAT, UH, IN THIS CASE, IT'S A HOME, UH, BUSINESS, BUT THEY'RE DOING TENTING OF VEHICLES, LIKE THE WINDOWS ON VEHICLES. UM, AND SO THEY'RE HAVING A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DROPPING VEHICLES OFF, OR, UH, PARKING VEHICLES, WELL, THE TENTING IS TAKING PLACE AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I THINK IT'S A CODE ISSUE PLUS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE ENFORCEMENT PART OF IT WITH THE BLAZE, BUT SHE'LL PROBABLY BE HERE AS WELL. OKAY. WELL, OKAY. AND SHE'LL BE HERE AGAIN, GOING BACK SINCE WE'RE DIVIDING TITLE 11 CHAPTER 11 OUT, WILL SHE BE AT THE APPROPRIATE MEETING? WHAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN MAY OR THIS ISSUE IN JUNE. WELL, WE'LL TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, SO WE'LL TRY TO MAKE IT FIT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. CAN YOU TRY TO TALK TO HER NEIGHBOR? OH YES. POSTED ON FACEBOOK. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON FACEBOOK. THANK YOU. CANCEL BAKER FOR A YEAR ATTENDANCE. I WAS LIKE, OH YEAH, WE SEE IT AGAIN. IT WOULD BE LIKE WHEN ARMIES, SOMETIMES THEY STILL DUMP THEIR STUFF. THAT'D BE, [01:50:04] WELL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY FILE LATE. ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT LAVATORIES AND TOILETS IN A PROPER PLACE. NOT NECESSARILY, NOT LIKE IN A HOME. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. VACATION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I ADJOURNED THE MEETING AT EIGHT 21. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.