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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road March 9, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]

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I SHOULD CALL A MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION ORDER.

SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL, MR. JEFF.

YEAH.

MS. THOMAS HERE, MS. BARGAIN HERE, MR. WALTON HERE, GREETINGS EVERYONE.

I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE DIVE? SO MANY OPENING RINGS AND HEARING THAT, AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANY ASSISTANCE COMMENTS, TWO ITEMS, NOT ON THE AGENDA AND HEARING THEM WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING THE WITNESSES.

I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK THIS EVENING OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.

SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.

I DO TO THE FOLLOWING.

THERE YOU GO.

I SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.

ALSO ASK WHEN THE APPROPRIATE TIME IS FOR SOMEONE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO A SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET, RIGHT? WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS OR FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

AS A REZONING.

THE APPLICANT BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS, LLC IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 17.2 ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD ZONING CASE 21 DASH OH SIX.

MR. .

THANK YOU.

AND GOOD EVENING.

THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE TONIGHT IS A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A HEBREW HEIGHTS CROSSING, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

THIS IS COMBINED TWO PARCELS, UH, THAT COMBINES FOUR 17.2 ACRES.

CURRENT ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS THE, UM, SOUTHERN PIECE WHERE THEY, YOU HAVE THE EXISTING, UH, SWAN LAKE APARTMENTS.

THAT IS OUR SIX AND THE NORTHERN PIECE THAT IS THE, UH, HUBER ROAD, UH, EXTENSION THAT IS B3.

SO THEIR REQUEST IS TO COMBINE THOSE AND, UH, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLANNED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THIS, UH, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND MIXED DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THE EXISTING, UM, SONY DISTRICTS OF THE , UH, AND, UH, THE, UH, THE B3, UM, UH, I WENT THROUGH THE, THE CODES FOR THAT AND OUR IS, UH, OUR OLDER MULTIFAMILY, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.

SO THAT HAS, UH, THE ALLOWABLE USE FOR APARTMENTS MULTI-USE BUILDINGS.

B3 HAS A LARGE LIST OF USES THAT'S WITHIN THE BUSINESS AND RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL TYPE USES ITSELF.

SO, UM, BY CODE, UH, CURRENTLY THAT SOUTHERN 9.67 ACRE PARCEL WOULD ALLOW FOR 140 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITHOUT COMING TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THEN THE NORTHERN 7.53 ACRE PARCEL WOULD ALLOW FOR ANY OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES, UH, DESCRIBED.

OKAY, LET ME GIVE ME A SECOND HERE.

MISSING SOME SHEETS.

MY APOLOGIES.

IT'S RUNNING SLUMP.

OKAY.

SO, SO THE EXISTING SITE, UH, CURRENTLY HAS TWO MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, THREE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND FIVE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO RAISE ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND PROVIDE FOR THE NEW MULTI-USE DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, SO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS, IT IS, THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SO IT'S NOT TRUE BIG SCREEN.

LET ME GET BACK TO THAT.

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LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN.

THERE IT IS.

OKAY.

UM, W WITH A BASIC DEVELOPED PLAN, THIS IS BASICALLY THE CONCEPT PLAN.

SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN AND WHAT THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.

SO, UH, IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEY WILL COME BACK WITH DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PORTION OF IT.

AND SO A BUILDING SHAPE OR SIZE THAT YOU SEE THERE NOW IS MAY NOT BE WHAT THE FINAL PLAN IS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL USER ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, AND THEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UM, MOST LIKELY IT'LL BE, UH, COULD BE ALL AT ONCE OR IN MULTIPLE PHASES WITH THAT.

SO TH TH THE SITE ITSELF, ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THERE'S THE EXISTING LARGE POND THAT'S IN THE CENTER THERE THAT IS TO REMAIN, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE WILL GO.

SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DETENTION ON THE SITE, BECAUSE THAT ITSELF WILL HANDLE, UM, ANY OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, THE OTHER UTILITIES, SANITARY SEWER, UH, THERE WILL BE CONNECTIONS INTO THE EXISTING PUBLIC SANITARY SEWERS THAT CURRENTLY FLOW ALONG THE OLD TROY PIKE.

AND THEY ALSO FLOW THROUGH THE EXISTING PROPERTY, UH, AS IT SITS NOW, WATER LINES, UH, THEY WILL ALSO BE PUBLIC AND LOCATED ALONG THE OLD TROY PIKE.

AND THEY'RE ALSO LOCATED ON TAYLOR'S BORROWED AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST.

SO WHEN THAT DESIGN COMES, THEY WILL BE LOOPED THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

THE, UH, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

UH, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UH, WAS COMPLETED BY THE APPLICANTS.

UM, A SUMMARY WAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKETS, AND A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU'LL SEE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT, UH, IMPACT STUDY.

I WILL START AND I'LL GO OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE THAT, UH, WAS PROVIDED, UM, MOVING SOUTH TO NORTH ON OLD TROY PIKE, UH, OLD TROY PIKE AND ACCESS ONE, UH, IS RECOMMENDED FOR A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT SITUATION.

SO NOT FULL ACCESS, NOT BEING ABLE TO TURN LEFT INTO THAT AREA, UH, LEFT INTO THERE WOULD CONFLICT WITH, UH, SOME OF THE TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT GO ON TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

SO THE, UM, THE NEXT, THE OLD TROY PIKE AND ACCESS TO THE ONE ACROSS FROM IHUB, UM, THAT, UH, WOULD, UM, ALSO LOOK AT A NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN BAY BEING WARRANTED.

AND, UM, THE RIGHT TURN BAY, UM, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THIS ACCESS.

THE NEXT ONE TO THE NORTH OLD TROY PIKE AND ACCESS THREE ACROSS FOR BURGER KING.

UH, THIS IS WHERE IT'S RECOMMENDED THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BE PLACED.

UM, SO THIS LOCATION, UH, WOULD BE SIGNALIZED FOR, UM, ACCESS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ALONG OLD TROY PIKE, THE, UH, PROPOSED SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN BAY AT THAT SIGNAL CALCULATES TO EXTEND THROUGH HUBER ROAD.

SO HUBER ROAD ITSELF, UH, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, THAT GETS MODIFIED IN SOME WAY TO TRY TO RESTRICT SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

UM, THE, UH, THE NEXT ACCESS LOAN TAYLORSVILLE ROAD MOVING WEST EAST TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND ACCESS FOR AN EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE IS WARRANTED AND EXCESS FOUR, WHICH IS, UH, THE, THE ONE CLOSEST TO OLD TROY PIKE.

UM, THE EXISTING SPACE SCENE THAT THERE'S THE ISSUE.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE A FULL TURN LEFT TURN BAY, UM, IN THERE.

SO PART OF, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LOOK AT MOVING THAT FURTHER TO THE EAST, TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF LEFT TURN STACKING, UH, IN THAT AREA, THE LAST ACCESS POINT TAYLORSVILLE AND ACCESS FIVE, THE ACCESS WOULD BE A DESIGN IS FULL MOVEMENT.

IT'S THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM OLD TROY PIKE, UH, THAT, UH, DOES HAVE THAT ABILITY TO HAVE THAT FULL MOVEMENT IN AND OUT.

UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THEY LOOKED AT IS HOW DOES THIS, UM, AFFECT THE REST OF THE AREA? UH, SO AS YOU TRAVEL

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NORTH BROWNS ON OLD TROY PIKE, THERE HAS BEEN, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTERSECTION AT MERRILY WAY.

AND, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, A NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL, UM, COME INTO PLAY WITH THAT.

THE, UM, OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE, UH, SAYS THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS INDICATES THE DEVELOPMENT RELATED TRIPS HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS ON THE OVERALL INTERSECTION, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE.

UM, SOMETHING ELSE TO NOTE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE CURRENTLY, THERE IS A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT THE CITY IS DOING THAT, UH, WILL BE STARTING SOON, UM, FOR THE ADDITION OF A RIGHT TURN LANE, AS YOU'RE HEADING NORTHBOUND.

UH, SO THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO START HERE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE SPRING, UM, THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE DEDICATED, FULL TURNING MOVEMENTS BACK TO WHERE THE ACCESS ROAD IS AND FRONT OF WHERE, UH, VALVOLINE WILL BE GOING AT, UH, WAYNE TOWN MARILEE SAYS THE CAPACITY ANALYSIS INDICATES THE DEVELOPMENT RELATED TRIPS HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL INTERSECTION OPERATIONS AND LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THEN CONTINUING TO THE NORTH, THE OLD TROY PIKE AND I, 70 EASTBOUND RAMP CAPACITY ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT DEVELOPMENT RELATED TRIPS HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL INTERSECTION OPERATIONS AND LEVELS LEVEL OF SERVICE.

UM, AND THEN THE SAME FOR THE WESTBOUND RAMP.

UM, SO THERE, I WILL NOTE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THE CITY IS WORKING ON, UM, THAT IN ADDITION TO THE POTENTIAL OF THIS PROJECT, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE AREA ARE RELATED TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES ON MERRILY WAY.

AND SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS, UM, BACK WHEN MCDONALD'S REDEVELOPED, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF WIDENING ON MERRILY WAY THAT WENT JUST TO THE, UH, THEIR DRIVEWAY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EXTENDING THAT WIDENING DOWN TO THE CARWASH SO THAT ON CERTAIN DAYS, RIGHT AFTER THE SNOW MELTS, AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THE SALT OFF THEIR CAR, THAT THERE'S ROOM, THAT IF IT DOES COME OUT TO THE STREETS, THAT THERE'S NOW A SECONDARY LANE, THAT THEY CAN BE STACKED IN, AND YOU CAN STILL GET BY TO GO DOWN FURTHER TO ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THE HOTELS, OR THE RESTAURANTS IN THERE.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THE CITY IS, UH, WORKING ON.

UM, ANOTHER IS, UM, THAT, UH, THERE ARE, UH, SUBSIGNAGE, UH, ISSUES.

THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

WE DO HAVE ONE SIGN UP NOW THAT SAYS, DO NOT BLOCK THE INTERSECTION, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO FOLLOW THAT, THAT, UH, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES HERE IS IF SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH A YELLOW LIGHT AND CAN'T COMPLETE THE TERMS SO THAT THEY ARE BLOCKING A SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING UNTIL THEY CAN CLEAR THE INTERSECTION.

SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE, UH, PARTS ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP CLEAR THE INTERSECTION AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC A LITTLE MORE, UM, ABOUT, UH, STAYING OUT OF THE INTERSECTION.

UH, ANOTHER PIECE IS THAT, UH, THE NORTHBOUND LANES ON OLD TROY PIKE, AS YOU GET TO THE HIGHWAY ITSELF THERE IN FRONT OF RVS, THERE IS WE ARE LOOKING AT WHY THEY NAMED THAT TO A THREE LANE SECTION.

SO YOU HAVE THAT DEDICATED DRIVE STRAIGHT FROM MERRILY WAY, ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH, UH, TO GET ON THE HIGHWAY ITSELF.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TWO LANES AND THEN A DROP LANE THAT GETS ON THE HIGHWAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY AND EXTEND THAT DOWN TO MERRILY WAY.

SO THOSE ARE SOME SEPARATE PROJECTS THAT, UH, ARE NOT CONTINGENT ON, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE NOTES OF THOSE AS WE'RE DISCUSSING KIND.

I KNOW TRAFFIC IS ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.

SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, ON THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD, UH, STAFF GAVE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, AND I WILL READ THOSE OUT AT THE OLD TROY PIKE AND ACCESS ONE SHALL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, AND A DROP RIGHT TURN LANE SHALL BE INSTALLED ON OLD TROY PIKE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OLD TROY PIKE AND ACCESS TO SHELBY RES SHALL RESTRICT LEFT TURNS OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY DROP RIGHT TURN LANE SHALL BE INSTALLED ON ALL TROY PIKE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OR TROY PIKE AND ACCESS THREE.

THE ONE ACROSS FROM HURRICANE SHALL HAVE A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION INSTALLED WITH DROP RIGHT TURN LANES ON OLD TROY PIKE, TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, AND ACCESS FOR SHELBY MOVED FURTHER TO THE EAST TO ALLOW FOR A LEFT TURN IN CENTER LANE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD AND THE TAYLORSVILLE AND ACCESS FIVE SHALL BE FULL MOVEMENT AND SHALL EXTEND FROM TAYLORSVILLE ROAD DIRECTLY TO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT FOR ITS MAIN ACCESS.

TERRELL SEVILLE ROAD

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SHALL BE WIDENED ON THE NORTH SIDE TO MATCH THE WIDENING OF THE EXISTING NORTHBOUND TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE AND HUMOR ROAD SHALL RESTRICT LEFT, TURNS OUT AND THEN ACCESS EASEMENTS SHALL BE GRANTED TO THE PUBLIC FOR ACCESS FROM THE BUSINESSES TO THE NORTH TO ACCESS THE SIGNALIZE CENTER.

SO MOVING ON FROM THAT, UH, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, UH, AS YOU SEE HERE ARE, UH, WE HAVE A SET OF COMMERCIAL BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT, UH, UH, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, YEAH, RIGHT NOW FITS WITHIN THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK FOR A DETAILED ABOVE IT PLAN WITH ANY OF THOSE, UH, FINAL DETAILS.

BUT, UH, AS YOU SEE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS, UM, THE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT GIVES DEPTH TO THESE BUILDINGS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

UH, SO IT'S A NICE LOOKING SOD WITH DIFFERENT MASONRY MATERIAL.

YES, THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, UH, THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 192 MARKET RATE APARTMENT UNITS.

UH, THE BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED TO BE THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMPOSED OF ALL MASONRY WITH A COMBINATION OF STONE, BRICK AND FIBER CEMENT BOARD SIDING LANDSCAPING ON THIS PROJECT.

SO WE'LL FOLLOW THE CITY'S CODE 1179 OH SEVEN.

UH, SO, UH, WE'LL BE HEAVILY LANDSCAPED THROUGHOUT, UH, AND THEN BUFFERS WILL BE PLACED WHERE NECESSARY BETWEEN, UH, JUST COMMERCIAL USE AND RESIDENTIAL USE, UH, WHICH IS JUST ALONG THE ONE SIDE, UM, ON THAT EAST SIDE, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING APARTMENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIGHTING PROPOSED LIGHTING AND WE'LL FOLLOW SECTION 1181, 21 OF THE ZONING CODE, AND THEN SIGNAGE.

THEY, THEY DID HAVE A COUPLE, UH, POTENTIAL RENDERINGS SHOWING, UH, ON THE BUILDINGS, SOME DIFFERENT SIGNAGE FOR DIFFERENT USERS.

AND THEN ALSO SOME, UH, THERE'LL BE SOME MONUMENT SIGNS FOR A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.

UH, THAT'S PART OF OUR ZONING CODE THAT, UH, THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL IS A LITTLE OVER 16 FEET, BUT FOR SHOPPING CENTERS OF THIS SIZE, UH, THEY, THEY COULD BE UP TO 25 FEET, BUT WE RECOMMEND, UH, THE LOWER AMOUNTS, UH, IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT WORK.

SO THAT'LL ALSO COME BACK IN A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE.

THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THAT CAN, UH, DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, DETAILS IN THEIR PLANS AND, UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, RUSS FARGO, SCOTT, WHO PAYS FOR THESE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS WIDENING THE ROAD AND LEFT TURN BAYS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, DOES THE CITY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT OR DOES THE DEVELOPER OKAY.

THE, UM, OF WHAT I MENTIONED, UM, I MENTIONED SOME OF THOSE EXTRA PROJECTS THAT WOULD JUST BE CITY RELATED.

UM, BUT ANY REQUIREMENT THAT'S PLACED ON, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER.

IF THE DEVELOPER COMES UP WITH SOME AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER THE ZONING, UM, IS ACCEPTABLE OR NOT, THESE ARE STILL THINGS THAT IF YOU GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CITY COUNCIL GOES WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER TO DO THOSE, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY WOULD BE PAYING FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT ALL, ALL OF THE ROAD IN PROSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU MENTIONED.

YES.

UNLESS ANY FINANCIAL INCENTIVES ARE GOOD.

OKAY.

AND HAS ANY WAY I COULD DO WITHOUT THIS CASE.

UM, YOU SAID THAT THERE IS NO SPACE ON TAYLORSVILLE ROAD TO WIDEN THAT, AND YET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WE, THEY COULD GIVE UP SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO WIDEN TAYLORSVILLE.

COULD THEY NOT? UM, W WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE SPACING ON TAYLORSVILLE WAS NOT WHETHER IT COULD BE WIDENED.

IT WAS THE, UH, SPACING AS YOU'RE COMING EASTBOUND, TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO A DEDICATED LEFT-HAND TURN LANE INTO THE FIRST OF THE TWO ENTRANCES THAT YOU WANT ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE A COUPLE CARS STACKED THERE SO THAT YOU'RE NOT BLOCKING ALL OF TAYLORSVILLE ROAD TRAFFIC.

SO IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WIDENING OF TAYLORSVILLE.

UM, IT JUST HAD TO DO WITH WHERE THE LEFT TURN IS THAT AS YOU'RE GOING WESTBOUND ON DOLE, TROY, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR JUST A COUPLE CARS TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

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SO THAT'S WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRY TO MOVE THAT ACCESS POINT JUST DOWN A LITTLE BIT, JUST ENOUGH TO GET A BANG IN THERE, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS, BUT, UM, THERE IS AN ENTRANCE INTO THE AREA WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL PART WOULD BE OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT A NEW ENTRANCE, WHICH THERE THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THERE THAT'S, UM, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF, IS THERE'S THE EXISTING MOUNT WHITNEY, UM, DRIVE THAT CURRENTLY GOES THERE THAT COULD BE, UM, IMPROVED AND UTILIZE THAT TO GET BACK TO THE, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OR A NEW DRIVE COMPLETELY ON THIS PROPERTY.

UM, BECAUSE AS, AS I'M LOOKING AT THEIR, UM, THE STUDY THAT THEY DID, UM, ALMOST ALL OF IT SAYS VERY LITTLE IMPACT.

UH, AND THAT'S JUST AMAZING TO ME THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 140 MULTIFAMILY, THAT THERE WOULD BE VERY LITTLE IMPACT, UH, WITH, WITH THE TRAFFIC.

AND, UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T PUT MY MIND AROUND THAT.

AND THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 140 MULTIFAMILY WITH PEOPLE IN THEM AND THEY CAN'T GET IN AND OUT.

UH, AND I, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO WAYS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN AND OUT.

AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT EITHER ON THE, UH, ON THIS.

AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE SETTING UP.

SOME OF THOSE TYPE THINGS AS ARE IN THAT, BUT, UM, THEIR ENGINEER WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE, THE TRAFFIC, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AT THAT.

OKAY.

AND RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN, THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT, WE COULD, WHAT WE'RE ONLY ADDRESSING TONIGHT IS THE REZONING, IS THAT CORRECT? NOT THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, RIGHT.

UM, WITH THIS PLAN, YOU'RE SETTING UP THE ABILITY TO DO THIS.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, A BUILDING MAY FLIP A LITTLE BIT, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT SO YOU'LL HAVE A COMMERCIAL AREA, UM, WITH THE, THE RESIDENTIAL, AS I MENTIONED, THE MAXIMUM OF 192 UNITS.

UM, SO, UH, IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK TWO MONTHS FROM NOW AND ASK FOR 250 UNITS THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS A MAJOR CHANGE.

OKAY.

I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS APPROVING THE REZONING ONLY, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TYING OURSELVES INTO THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

CORRECT.

YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE REZONING TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT THIS SITE.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S ALL.

YES.

THANK YOU, MR. JEFFERSON, JUST CLARIFY THAT THE REZONING, ALONG WITH ALL THESE CURB CUTS.

OKAY.

WE WOULD BE APPROVING THAT IF WE SAID YES, YES.

ALONG WITH, WHAT DID HE SAY? CURB CUTS ALL THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS, I THINK FOR STAFF QUESTIONS OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.

I'M SORRY, MR. JEFFERS.

SO DO WE HAVE THE DISTANCES SCOTT FROM MERRILY WAY TO THE PROPOSED LIGHT AND THEN THE POST LIGHT TO TAYLORSVILLE OUT OF 10TH OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? NO, BUT IT'S ABOUT MIDWAY UNTIL THE PROPOSED LIGHT.

AND THEN THE PROPOSED, LIKE THE TAYLORSVILLE IS, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A 10TH OF A MILE.

IT MEANS IT IN A QUARTER MILE, WE'RE HAVING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR CUTOUTS IN THREE LIGHTS.

SO 800 FEET FROM MARILEE TO THE PROPOSE LIGHT SIGNAL.

YES.

YEP.

YEP.

SO NOW, NATHAN, MOM, AND THEN WHAT ABOUT FROM A ENTRANCE EXIT, I GUESS NUMBER FIVE TO MOUNT WHITNEY AND THEN, AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR MORE FOR THEM, I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF TURNS AND THE AMOUNT OF CUT-INS AND CUTOUTS AND THE SHORT DISTANCES WE'RE PUSHING THEM, ESPECIALLY ON TAYLORSVILLE.

CAUSE IT'S ABOUT A 10TH

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OF A MILE IN TAYLORSVILLE FROM MOUNT WINNIE TO TAYLORSVILLE WITH THAT MUCH TRAFFIC IN AND OUT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR FOR THEM.

UM, I, I GUESS WHAT'S THE QUESTION, UH, HOW TIGHT IS ALL OF THIS? I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ON A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT IF WE HAVE PEOPLE TURNING LEFT OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE APARTMENTS IN, AND THEN RIGHT OUT OF MOUNT WHITNEY, 15 FEET AWAY FROM THEM, I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

SURE.

AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GET DOWN INTO THE DETAILS WITH.

UM, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I DID REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UM, RE REGARDING THE POTENTIAL OF A COMBINED USE, UM, AND WAITING FOR A RETURN CALL ON THAT.

BUT, UM, AS I MENTIONED, THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE IS A CONNECTION, WHETHER IT BE COMBINED WITH MOUNT WHITNEY OR IN THE DETAILED PLAN, WE WORK OUT SPACING OF, UH, WHAT THAT ACCESS, WHAT WOULD BE ONE, ONE MORE? IS THERE A REASON THAT AN APPLICANT WOULD SUBMIT THEIR PLANS WITH THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THEIR PLANS FAILING WITHOUT CORRECTING THE PLANS BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF AFTER THEY DID HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THEIR TRAFFIC PLAN, RIGHT.

I'M SAYING THE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED THOUGH, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AS FAR AS THE DESIGN STYLE.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO IF DOWN TO A FINE DETAIL OF WHETHER THEY HAVE A CURBING FOR RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, UM, THAT WOULD COME LATER AT THE DETAILED PLAN.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE DECISION RECORD THAT, UM, IF APPROVED, YES, IT SHOWS ON THIS, YOU MAY SEE SOME ARROWS, BUT THAT WON'T BE THE FINAL PLAN.

UM, ALONG THAT SAME LINE, WE, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS.

AND SO MUCH OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS IT WAS THE FIRST TIME AROUND.

SO, UM, THE TRAFFIC EVALUATION DIDN'T SEEM TO REALLY MATTER AS FAR AS IN SHOWING IT IN THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

UM, I AM, I HAPPEN TO BE A PERSON THAT'S UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD ON A DAILY BASIS, ALL DIFFERENT HOURS OF THE DAY.

AND, UM, ADDING MORE CURB CUTS AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL LIGHT, WHICH IS FOUR LIGHTS AND ABOUT LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET, UM, IS, UM, IS A FRIGHTENING SITUATION.

I, I, I JUST KIND OF WONDER IT'S NOT THE PLANS ARE NOT REALLY SHOWING WHAT I THINK THE RESULTS OF THIS STUDY WOULD SHOW.

UH, I, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, IT'S NOT ADDING CURB CUTS.

THERE'S EXISTING CURB CUTS OUT THERE NOW THAT GO INTO THE MULTIFAMILY, THE SWAN LAKE APARTMENTS.

SO IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF THERE.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO ADD THOSE DROP LANES.

SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT THE STOP AND GO AS SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO TURN, BUT THERE WE'RE GETTING THEM OFF THE MAIN PATH AS THEY WANT TO TURN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE DESIGNED FOR.

WELL, MY CONCERN ALSO IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF WE HAD LOOKED AT THIS WHOLE AREA ALL AT ONE BIG THING AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT IN A STARBUCKS, WE'D PUT IN RAISING CANE, WE'RE PUTTING IN, UM, FIVE GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WHICH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL NEEDED BUSINESSES, BUT YET, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THIS REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE BUMPING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT REALLY INTO A REALLY PLAN OVERALL FOR THE WHOLE AREA.

I KNOW WHAT THE OTHER DEVELOPER THERE, BUT YET, UM, AS A CITY TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PLAN WOULD BE, UM, VERY BENEFICIAL SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS NIGHTMARE.

UM, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, I DON'T EVEN, I TRIED MY BEST.

I'LL GO WITH THEM AND BREAD PIKE IT AROUND BECAUSE I CAN GET WHERE I WANT TO GO THAT WAY.

AND THAT'S, I WOULDN'T PATRONIZE THESE PEOPLE.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE.

THAT'S WHY I WENT A LITTLE EXTRA INTO THE OTHER PROJECTS THE CITY IS DOING, UM, IN THE WHOLE AREA, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S LOOKING AT THE GLOBAL SCALE OF THINGS TO GET TO THE HIGHWAY AND BEYOND, UM, NOT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THIS IS.

SO THAT'S WHY I, THOSE OTHER PROJECTS UP.

AND I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE GOT THIS BIG POND THERE.

UM, I GREW UP HERE, I KNOW THAT TOM HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

I KNOW HOW THE VISIT, AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING UP A PARK NEARBY.

HONESTLY, I DO NOT KNOW HOW

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DEEP IT IS.

THERE'S EXISTING APARTMENTS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

SO PRIMARILY ORIGINALLY JUST A CONCERN OF MINE, JUST A QUICK COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, SO THE CITY'S PLANNING ON MAKING THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT'S THE TIMING THAT IT LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY TO MAKE THEIR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE DEVELOPER WANTING TO START THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEIR TEAR DOWNS.

SURE.

UM, SO THE, THE DEVELOPER CAN TALK ABOUT THEIR TIMELINE.

AND PART OF THAT IS BASED ON GETTING APPROVALS, UH, GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, FROM THE CITY TIMELINE.

WHAT, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT ARE IN CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET AND, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE WANT TO HAVE EVERY ONE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.

OKAY.

AND THEN D AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DIDN'T, WE DISCUSS AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN, UM, MOUNT WHITNEY WAS PART OF THAT, AN ISSUE FOR THE FOLLOW THROUGH TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WELL, AND THAT'S THE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION OF, UH, MAKING THAT EITHER A PUBLIC STREET ACCESS EASEMENT, UH, COMBINED USE, UH, THAT IS AN OPTION.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, LAST, LAST TWO FOR NOW? I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE AWAY THE LEFT TURN OFF OUT OF HUMOR ROAD, WHICH CAUSE I GET THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LIGHT THERE.

AND SO THAT MEANS ANYBODY COMING FROM SAY, STARBUCKS AND HUNTINGTON MAKING A LEFT THEN WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT ROAD OVER TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, CORRECT? YES.

BUT THE WAY THIS PLAN IS LAID OUT NOW, WHICH I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED IT'S COMPLETELY CONCEPTUAL.

I'M SURE THIS IS THE IDEA OF WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE LONGTERM THAT PUSHES THOSE PEOPLE INTO ANOTHER FAST FOOD SERVE, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH TO CUT THROUGH THEIR PARKING LOT, TO GET TO THAT LEFT TURN.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THAT LEFT TURN ACCESS AND FORCE THEM TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE TO DISCUSS TAKING OUT THAT CLOT, TAKEN OUT THAT DRIVE THROUGH.

AT SOME POINT, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES.

WE GET TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPED PLAN AND SAY, NOBODY BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PARKING LOT TRAFFIC TO MAKE A LEFT TURN.

WELL, ONE OF THE DECISION IN THE PROPOSED DECISION RECORD, IT DOES TALK ABOUT PROVIDING ACCESS EASEMENTS TO ALLOW FOR THOSE MOVEMENTS.

UM, SO THERE ARE WAYS GO AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, UM, THINK THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT'S LABELED AS ON THE DRAWING.

AND IF THAT'S A HIGH VOLUME DRIVE THROUGH FAST FOOD RESTAURANT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO TAKE IT AND USE IT AS THE EAST.

AND I KNOW THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DRIVE THROUGH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE PATRONS, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ARE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.

SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN THERE.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, I GUESS THIS IS MORE, THIS ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, CORRECT? SO EVEN WHETHER WE VOTE YES OR WE VOTE, NO, IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL.

ANYWAY, AS FAR AGO, LET'S GET BACK TO MOUNT WHITNEY.

THAT IS A PRIVATE ROAD NOW WHO OWNS IT.

IT'S NOT THE SAME PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT ROAD.

SO WHAT KIND OF SPACES ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE THINKING THAT A PUBLIC ROAD KEN NEEDS, EVEN IF YOU TAKE IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

SO THERE THERE'S A PRIVATE OWNER THERE AND IT'S THE CURRENT OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.

THAT IS .

OKAY.

THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? I GO MA'AM.

ARE YOU WITH, ARE YOU WITH THE APPLICANT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? IF ANYONE? OKAY.

MY NAME IS MIKE CASTS, TOLEDO, AND I AM WITH, UH, BROAD REACH RETAIL PARTNERS.

UM, I WANT TO FIRST THANK SCOTT AND THANK THE STAFF FOR ALLOWING US TO SIT HERE TONIGHT AND HEAR THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT.

UM, I DO WANT TO INSURE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR PROBABLY WELL OVER CLOSE TO TWO YEARS.

UM, COVID CERTAINLY HAD, UM, SOME IMPACT ON IT, UH, WITH OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT SOME USERS TO THE SITE.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE STUCK AT IT.

WE BELIEVED IN THE PROPERTY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS KNOW, UH, WE ALSO USED

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TO OWN AND MANAGE WAYNE TOWN PLAZA.

UM, SO WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TALKED, HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS PROPERTY LOOKED INTO THE VISION OF THE CITY, OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE HERE.

AND WE TRIED TO TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND YES, WE DO HAVE TO BALANCE THEM WITH THE ULTIMATE END USERS, WHICH ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT I HEAR.

UH, SOME OF YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TALK ABOUT AND, UH, WE'RE CONFIDENT, UH, THAT THOSE BUSINESSES CAN NOT JUST BE HERE, BUT THEY CAN THRIVE HERE AND BE PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY.

UM, WE HAVE TRIED TO PUT THE BEST, UH, PLAN TOGETHER, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, UH, WHICH WE HAVE STUDIED A LOT AND THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT SCOTT IS LAID OUT HERE TONIGHT WITH PARTICULARLY THE ACCESS POINTS, UM, AND THE OTHER, UH, ITEMS THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE CAN HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT HERE.

UM, UH, WE'LL SHARE.

UM, WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE WHERE WE HAVE STUDIED THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, RETAIL IS A, IS NOT A TRAFFIC GENERATOR, RETAIL CAPTURES EXISTING TRAFFIC.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN RETAIL FOR CLOSE TO 30 YEARS.

THAT'S HOW IT IS RETAILERS.

DON'T, THEY'RE NOT PIONEERS.

THEY DON'T GO TO NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, FARMLANDS AND PUT RETAIL.

THEY CAPTURE EXISTING TRAFFIC, EXISTING DEMOGRAPHICS.

SO THESE GUYS WILL ACTUALLY PULL TRAFFIC OFF OF ULTRA PIKE AND THEY WILL PULL TRAFFIC OFF OF TAYLORSVILLE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THEM TO DO THEIR SHOPPING, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR DINNER.

UM, AND THEN THEY WILL SLOWLY AND PUT THAT TRAFFIC BACK OUT ONTO THOSE ROADS, UH, AND IT ACTUALLY SEPARATES IT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIKE THE PLAN.

UH, WE HOPE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF IT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.

UM, AND HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS HERE TONIGHT, UM, AND GO BACK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JEFFREY? JUST ONE, I GUESS, WHICH IS, THIS IS STAFFORD FAMILY DEVELOPMENT NAMES, HUBER HEIGHTS CROSSING.

WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

THAT'S OUR RIGHT ON THE SAME STREET CALLED HUBER CROSSING, MAYBE 800 FEET AWAY.

PROBABLY WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO CHANGE MEAN I KNOW IT'S MINOR, BUT I FIGURED WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO BRING IT UP.

IT'S PROBABLY A THOUSAND FEET AWAY.

WE ARE NOT MARRIED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE, IF IT MAKES THE CITY HAPPY, YOU KNOW, WE ENVISIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIGNAGE TO SAY SOMETHING OF, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

WE'RE WILLING TO INCORPORATE THAT.

WE'VE TALKED TO SCOTT ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND SIGN IN.

I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT I, I GUESS AS A CITIZEN, I THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE THIS.

WE WERE JUST GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT THERE.

AND THEN HE'S SAYING THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS FOR TWO YEARS.

NAME, YOUR NAME WAS IT'S CHRIS.

YES.

JUST RATHER SEE BIG BUSINESS INSTEAD OF A BUNCH OF MORE OF APARTMENTS AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC.

OH MY GOD.

THAT'S GOING TO BE TERRIBLE.

SO I THOUGHT IF THERE WAS LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY PUT A LOWE'S AND I'M JUST USING IT, THROWING THAT OUT THERE, IF THEY PUT LIKE A BIG BUSINESS, LIKE LOWE'S THERE, THERE WOULD BE, YEAH.

THERE'D BE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE SO MANY.

AND THEN THE HOUSE IS THE 192, I THINK.

OH MY GOODNESS.

THAT'S, THAT'D BE AT NIGHT.

I LIVE UP ON THAT STREET.

THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF, OH, I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.

AND AROUND 10 AND 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, IT REALLY GETS CRAZY.

THANK YOU.

OR A BUNCH OF EMPTY BUILDINGS LIKE WE HAVE NOW.

I'D RATHER JUST HAVE SOMETHING WE NEED THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

I CAN TRY IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WOULD YOU PLEASE STEP TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR? STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.

OKAY.

I'M HER HUSBAND, BUT THESE CURB CUTS LAWYER, NOT THE LINE GUN RULE KING.

WHY WOULDN'T IT BE ACROSS FROM RURAL KING AND HAVE AN INTERSECTION IN AND OUT ALL THE WAY INSTEAD OF

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500 FEET DOWN THE ROAD, YOU HAVE ANOTHER CURB CUT, WHERE SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO THERE.

AND SOMEBODY TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO RURAL KING, THEY COLLIDE TO GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S CRAZY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT ON MY STREET, OLD TROY PIKE AT RIGHT PATTERSON, RIGHT? PAT CREDIT UNION, THAT OPENING THERE DOES NOT LINE UP WITH THAT STREET OVER THERE.

SO IF I WANT TO TURN LEFT ON THAT STREET, THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO RIGHT PANT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO HEAD INTO EACH OTHER.

THAT SHOULD BE LINED UP.

SHOULD'VE BEEN LINED UP WHEN THEY BUILT THAT SHOP CENTER.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

I MEAN, YOU COULD EASILY GO TO THAT STREET BECAUSE IT'S OLD TROY PIKE ACCIDENTS ROAD, MOVE THAT INTERSECTION UP 10 OR A HUNDRED FEET AND PUT IT THERE, CLOSE THIS WITH THEM UP.

MAKE EVERYBODY GO USE IT.

SO EXCUSE ME, HIS NAME WAS DAVE.

JAY.

THANK YOU.

I CAN ANSWER PART OF THAT.

UM, THE PROPOSED INTERSECTIONS ARE, UM, DO LINE UP WITH THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET.

AND THAT, THAT IS THE INTENT.

THAT IS SOMETHING.

WE LOOK AT THAT, UM, THAT IS THE OPTIMAL SITUATION SOMETIMES WHERE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN, WHERE THERE'S SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WHERE THAT COMES OUT.

UM, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, BUT ON THIS ONE IT'S ITSELF THAT THE TWO MAIN ENTRANCES OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE IN THIS WOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCES TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, ACROSS THE STREET.

DUDE, I'M KATIE RIGHT NOW.

NOBODY USES THAT RIGHT.

ONLY INTERNET, OR THEY DON'T NEED TO KNOW HOW TO GO DOWN THE RAMP.

THEY DON'T SEE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU SEE STARBUCKS I WILL MENTION AS WELL ON THAT ONE.

UH, THE CITY HAS ORDERED, UM, W WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, LIKE DEFLECTORS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE STREET.

SO YOU CANNOT TURN LEFT ILLEGALLY, UM, WITH AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO SAY, DO NOT TURN LEFT THERE, GO DOWN TO HEBA ROAD IS WHERE YOU CAN TURN LEFT TO HAVE THAT OFFICIAL ACCESS.

SO THE CITY WILL BE BLOCKING OFF THAT LEFT TURN INTO STARBUCKS HERE.

UM, AS SOON AS THOSE COME IN, IT'S REALLY GOOD, VERY WAY AT A TIME CURRENTLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY LONG PERFECT IS INTO THE LANES EVERY NIGHT, PEOPLE DRIVE IT DURING LAB, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

IT'S PROBABLY THE CAR WARS.

.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MS. FARGO, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO, I THOUGHT YOU HAD, NO.

I JUST WANT YOU TO COLIN'S COMP, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS MELISSA AND WE LIVE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY PIKE.

WE OFTEN HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT TAKES US 15, MAYBE 20 MINUTES TO GET FROM, TO KROGER'S FROM OUR HOUSE ON THE ACCESS ROAD.

WE HAVE TO GO DOWN TO WHERE THE CUTOUT IS, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT BEFORE, RIGHT PAT CREDIT UNION, AND TURN RIGHT AND SIT IN TRAFFIC EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IT TAKES ME 15, AT LEAST 15 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH JUST TO GET TO 70.

AND I LIVE AT THAT CORNER, AND THIS IS VERY CONCERNING BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR IT.

NOT TO HAVE A HIGH IMPACT AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO OUR PROPERTY VALUE WHEN THEY START DEVELOPING MORE APARTMENTS BACK THERE, ALONG WITH THE BUSY STREET AND ALL OF THIS RETAIL, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO FOR OUR PROPERTY VALUE? BY THE WAY, MY NAME'S BRIAN, UH, BRIAN, UH, WE LIVE IN 74, 20 OLD TROY PIKE.

UH, WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME NOW, UH, YOU CAN'T GET UP THE STREET AND YOU KNOW, IT IN THE EVENINGS, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEEKENDS, IT'S, IT'S 10 OR 15 MINUTES TO GET UP TOWARDS KROGER, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH EVERYBODY TRYING TO STUFF OUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW? AND SO THEY'RE BLOCKING THE INTERSECTIONS AND TRAFFIC JUST BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRE STATIONS.

UM, AND THIS IS A CONSTANT PROBLEM, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A 192 FAMILIES, WHICH ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOVING IN AND OUT.

AND, AND THERE'S NO IMPACT MINIMAL IMPACT WHEN, WHEN I'M SEEING A MAXIMUM IMPACT NOW.

SO HOW COULD IT

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CHANGE? WHAT IS ADDING MORE GOING TO, GOING TO DO TO DECREASE THE PROBLEM? HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN SWAN LAKE? YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 40.

OKAY.

UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, IT'S THERE, THE ALLOWABLE THERE RIGHT NOW IS 140 ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK.

I AM FRANK WILEY.

UM, I LIVE NOT TOO FAR, UH, FROM THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL.

UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE EXTRA TRAFFIC LIGHT WITHIN THAT 800 FOOT BLOCK.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING AT THE TIMING OF THE CURRENT LIGHTS, UH, TO TRY TO EASE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION? CAUSE RIGHT NOW, AS EVERYBODY'S MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO ADD MORE, RATHER THAN DECREASING THIS, AN EXTRA STOP IN THERE EVERY, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR 500 FEET OR STOP AND GO STOP AND GO.

I FORESEE A HUGE NIGHTMARE FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AREA.

SO THE TIMING IS A BIG PART OF THAT, THAT, UM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, WE HAVE DONE SOME THINGS TO ADJUST THE TIMING.

WE'VE ADDED SOME TURN LANES COMING OFF OF, UH, WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD CHANGED SOME TURNING MOVEMENTS ONTO MERRILY WAY.

UM, ADJUSTED SOME TIMING TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THOSE THAT, SO YES, TIMING WILL BE A HUGE PART OF MAKING THIS WORK.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS ALSO AS YOU GET TO Y 70, UM, THAT THAT'S ODAT CONTROLLED, BUT WE HAVE SOME SAY IN HOW THAT'S ALL, UH, UH, SINKED UP TOGETHER, UM, THAT, UH, IS CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT.

AND IT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT IN THE PAST AND ADJUSTED HERE AND THERE, UH, TO TRY TO MAKE THAT BETTER.

I MENTIONED SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT, UH, IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER WITH SOME ADDITIONAL LANES AND GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION, UH, QUICKER.

UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE SOMETIMES IS IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT UP THE WAY THAT BACKS THINGS UP, ANYBODY THAT'S TRYING TO LEFT INTO SAY THE GAS STATION, THAT FROM THE, UH, UH, DRIVE LANE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT AND FIGURE OUT WAYS TO GET THEM EITHER, UM, NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT, TO BLOCK THINGS UP.

AND WHEN OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES GO THROUGH, WE HAVE THAT OPTICON SYSTEM, SO THAT IT TURNS TO THE GREEN LIGHT ALL THE WAY THROUGH WHILE IT TAKES A COUPLE OF CYCLES TO GET BACK TO, UH, SOMETHING ST.

SO, UM, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT CAUSES BACKUPS AS WELL, JUST UNTIL THE, THAT, UH, LINES UP AGAIN.

SO, BUT LONG WAY TO GET TO, YES, TIMING IS KEY TO MAKING A NEW SIGNAL WORK.

AND THEN, UM, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES LIKE WITH THE INTERSECTIONS OF FOLKS RUNNING THOSE LIGHTS AND THEN SITTING IN THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING THE CITY CAN DO, WHETHER IT'S A TRAFFIC CAMERA TO RED LIGHT CAMERA OR ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO KIND OF DETER PEOPLE FROM BLOCKING THOSE INTERSECTIONS? I KNOW I'VE SAT THREE OR FOUR CYCLES OF A LIGHT TO TURN LEFT IN KROGER BECAUSE OF THAT INTERSECTION OF MERIT LEEWAY.

WELL, THEY'LL JUST BE A LINE OF PEOPLE COMING OUT AND YOU CAN'T EVEN TURN TO GET TO OR ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO GO BECAUSE OF THAT.

YEAH.

SO WITH THE WIDENING OF OLD TROY PIKE, ADDING THAT EXTRA LANE TO GET TO , THAT WILL HELP SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, UM, ENFORCEMENT OF, UH, THAT WILL HELP THE ISSUES AS WELL.

UM, AND WE'LL GET INTO HOW TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE, UM, MORE ACTIVE.

UM, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, SOME SIGNAGE AS WELL, KEEPS THE HONEST PEOPLE, HONEST, UM, SO TO HELP REMIND PEOPLE OF THAT.

UM, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE ZONING CASE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AND THAT IS, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

THEY'VE DONE, IT'S VERY THOROUGH, BUT DO WE HAVE STANDARDS OR, OR, UM, I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN IS, IS IN-DEPTH, BUT EVERYTHING SAYS THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, AND THEY'VE EVEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, THE, THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE THERE ON ULTRA PIKE.

SO, UM,

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I LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.

YEAH, SURE.

UM, I CAN, YOU KNOW, MIKE HALF-TON WITH TEC, HE WAS PERFORMED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY FOR US, BUT I DO, DO YOU WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DID WE, WHEN WE DID OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, NOT ONLY DID WE LOOK AT TRAFFIC DATA FROM PRE COVID, WE ALSO LOOKED AT TRAFFIC DATA DURING COVID AND WE HAVE GONE AS FAR OUT AS 20 YEARS, UH, WITH NEW TRAFFIC DATA.

UM, AND WE HAVE CONSIDERED ALL THE NEW BUSINESSES HERE, AND WE'RE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE USES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING ON OUR PROPERTY AS MENTIONED, RETAIL PULLS OFF OF EXISTING TRAFFIC.

THAT IS AN INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.

UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, HAVE AN OUTCOME OF A SAFE ACCESS AND MOVEMENTS OUT OF EACH ONE OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS.

UM, WE'RE WILLING TO, IN OUR DETAILED PLANS, WORK WITH THE ENTRANCES TO THE EAST ON, UM, TAYLORSVILLE, AND TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH WE ARE A CONTRACT HOLDER WITH THEM.

SO WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

UH, WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.

UM, WE HAVE NOT YET, BUT WE WILL.

UM, AND AS MENTIONED IN, IN MIKE CAN SPEAK TO THIS EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THESE ACCESS POINTS ARE A SAFE MOVEMENT WITH, UH, DATA THAT GOES OUT AND CONSIDERS, UH, CONSIDERABLE GROWTH.

UM, AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO ADD TO, UM, FOR WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, COVID HAS CHANGED THE RETAIL WORLD AND COVID HAS, UH, ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, RETAILERS LIKE DRIVE-THRUS, AND IT'S A PATTERN THAT HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN OUR LIVES NOW.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE, THE USERS WANT TO BE HERE.

THEY'RE NOT JUST THE OLD SAME USERS, THEY'RE NEW USERS.

THEY'RE NOT HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY CAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTED.

UM, AND I DO BELIEVE THEY WILL.

UM, I HEARD, I HEARD THAT COMMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THESE WILL BE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE USES, UH, AND SERVE THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU, MIKE, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK MORE OF THE DATA TO HELP, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOOKED AT BEFOREHAND.

I, WHAT I CAN ADD REAL QUICK.

SURE.

UM, PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF HAVING THAT ACCESS POINT OF TAYLORSVILLE GO STRAIGHT TO THE, THE APARTMENT AREA IS TO SEND THOSE APARTMENT USERS TO TAYLORSVILLE.

UM, SO HAVING AN EASY ACCESS TO TAYLORSVILLE THAT HELPS KEEP THEM OFF OF OLD TROY PIKE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, IF THEY WERE WANTING TO GO OUT AND