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SHOULD I CALL A MEETING,

[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road January 26, 2021 6:00 P.M. ]

THE CITY HUBER HEIST PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OKAY, MR. JEFFREY'S HERE.

MS. MS. THOMAS HERE, MS. VARGO HERE.

MR. WALL.

WE ARE, I HAVE NO OPENING COMMENTS AS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DICE.

GOOD TO BE IN PERSON.

ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

I THINK WE'LL, UH, ANY OF THAT.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING AND WITNESSES.

I ANNOUNCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE ONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT, UH, GIVE THEIR, OR GIVE THEIR TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.

SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.

I DO AFTER THE FOLLOWING, AS YOU HEAR BY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.

THE FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A MINOR CHANGE.

THE APPLICANT GENERATIONS CONSTRUCTION IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO REDUCE THE 50 FOOT YARD SETBACK PROPERTY LOCATED AT 66 78 TRAVELER SHEEN, TRAVIS SHYER DRIVE, SONY CASE 21 DASH ZERO ONE.

MR. FALCON.

THANK YOU.

I'M GOOD EVENING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE AND, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS FIRST CASE, UH, MR. , UM, I'VE SHARED THE SCREEN SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION.

WE CANNOT SEE YOU ANYMORE.

SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A RAISING HAND FEATURE THAT WE CANNOT SEE.

SO, UM, THERE'LL BE A POINT IN TIME WHEN THE CHAIR WILL ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS AND THAT'LL BE THE TIME TO, UH, RESPOND.

SO THIS CASE, RIGHT.

OKAY.

FIRST CASE IS FOR A MINOR CHANGE IN COUNTY, PURE KILOMETER FARMS SUBDIVISION AT 66 78 TAVIN SHOWER DRIVE.

THIS IS A CORNER LOT AT TABIN SHIRE AND, UH, AYLESBURY TOWARDS THAT.

UH, IT'S UH, IN ONE OF THE OLDER SECTIONS THAT, UH, HASN'T BEEN BUILT ON, UM, AS OF YET, UM, THIS LOT IN THIS AREA, THEY HAVE SETBACKS, UH, UM, FRONT YARD, SETBACKS OF 40 FEET AND REAR YARD SETBACKS OF 35 FEET.

UM, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR, UM, OR 40 FOOT FRONT YARD APOLOGIZE.

UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S CANTED ON THIS LOCK RATHER THAN HAVE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FACE DIRECTLY TOWARDS ONE STREET.

THIS IS TYPICALLY HOW A LOT OF THE OLDER SUBDIVISIONS WERE BUILT, THAT WHEN YOU GOT TO A CORNER LOT, IT WAS BUILT LARGE ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD HAVE, UM, THAT ANGLE INSTEAD OF DESIGNING IT.

SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT, LIKE A CARRIAGE TRAILS IS ONE THAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE FACE FRONT, UH, THAT THEY CAN PUT THE HOUSE WAY.

THIS HOUSE IS THIS, UH, SETS UP FOR THAT ABILITY TO, UH, CAN'T IT, BUT IT JUST, UH, GOES A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT BUILDING LINE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON, UH, TAMMY SHIRE, IT IS A 2.7 FEET.

AND THEN OVER ON AYLESBURY, IT IS TWO POINT OR IS THAT 2.9 FEET OVER AT JUST THE CORNER OF EACH OF THOSE POINTS? SO IT'S NOT A FULL FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT IS ENCROACHING OVER INTO THAT AREA.

THE WAY WE LOOK AT THIS AS WELL, WHEN YOU DO HAVE A CANDIDATE HOUSE, THE REAR YARD DOES GO IN KIND OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ARC MOTION.

UH, SO THEY MADE SURE THAT IT'S 50 FEET THERE.

SO THAT'S HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO FIT THIS IN THE SIDE YARD OF EIGHT FEET.

UH, THAT SORT OF WORKS OUT AS WELL.

I'LL BACK UP AND SHOW THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES.

UM, THAT'S ON THE, UH, THE WE'LL CALL IT THE CLOSE SIDE.

I'LL BACK, GO BACK AGAIN ON A TRAM AND SHYER, UH, THE WHERE THE EIGHT FEET IS, THAT'S WHERE THE LARGER AREA IS TO THE NEXT HOUSE.

THE, WHERE THERE IS 33 FEET, THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSE THAT'S CLOSER TO THAT PROPERTY LINE.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY AT LEAST 20 FEET IN BETWEEN HOUSES, UM, IN THIS AREA ITSELF.

SO THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ENCROACHMENT ON THOSE BUILDING LINES AND TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE APPLICANTS ONLINE.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

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QUESTIONS AS WELL.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. JEFFERSON? THAT'S THE ONE.

SO WE'RE SHOWING THAT EIGHT FOOT SIDE PETE SIDE SETBACK OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE CALLED, I GUESS, WITH THIS ORIENTATION.

HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE OVERALL SIDE SETBACKS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? LIKE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOUSES REQUIREMENTS? I MEAN, ARE WE, I KNOW WE'RE ONLY ENCROACHING A COUPLE OF FEET BASED ON THIS ONE LINE, BUT HOW ARE WE ENCROACHING ON THAT PIECE? UM, THE, THE EIGHT FOOT IS TYPICAL.

IT'S, UH, EIGHT FOOT MINIMUM, 20 FEET IN BETWEEN HOUSES.

SO AS LONG AS THE OTHER HOUSE HAS 12 FEET, WHICH IT'S LARGER THAN 12 FEET ON THE NEXT YARD.

SO THERE IS 20 FEET IN BETWEEN HOUSES THERE.

SO IT DOES THAT MATCHES THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE, NOTHING MORE THAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

WE FEEL THAT, UH, THE STREET SCENE AT THE CORNER OF THE OTHER COUPLE, THAT WE'VE DONE THAT WITH LOOKS A LITTLE NICER.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION, THIS ZONING CASE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT GENERATIONS CONSTRUCTION OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE FRONT AND REAR YARD SETBACK FOR LOT 60 OF THE CALLAN MIRA FARM SUBDIVISION, SONY CASE 21 DASH ZERO ONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JANUARY 21ST, 2021, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MR. JEFFRIES.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND BY MISS UP SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MS. THOMAS? YES.

MS. MARGO.

YES.

YES.

MR. JEFFRIES.

YES.

MR. WALTON.

YES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE NEXT STEP NOW IS TO SUBMIT FOR THE ZONING CERTIFICATE TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS AND BUILD A HOUSE.

YES.

GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A MINOR CHANGE.

THE APPLICANT WD PARTNERS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR MINOR CHANGE FROM THE APPROVED PUD TO MODIFY EXISTING SIGNAGE PACKAGE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 76 80 BRAND PIKE, SONY CASE 21 DASH ZERO TWO, MR. , UM, WALMART, UH, THEY, THEY CHANGE OUT THEIR SIGN PACKAGE AND A LITTLE BIT OF APPEARANCE SEEMS LIKE EVERY COUPLE YEARS.

SO, UH, THIS IS IN A PUD, IT'S A PLAN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

SO ANYTIME THAT HAPPENS, IT HAS TO GO BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, SO WITH THIS REQUESTS, UM, THEY ARE LOOKING TO ONE, UH, CHANGE OUT THE SIGN THAT'S IN THE OVERALL PYLON SIGN, JUST CHANGING THE FACE OUT.

SO THERE'S NO REQUEST FOR ANYTHING LARGER OR ANY MODIFICATION, JUST CHANGING OUT THAT FACE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO ON THE MAIN FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE REVISING.

UM, SO WITH A, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO A AT THE PARAPETS, A NEW COLOR SCHEME, THE NEW WALL SIGN AND MODIFY THE EXISTING SIGN PACKAGE.

THE NEW WALL SIGN WILL BE 10 FEET, THREE INCHES TALL BY NINE FEET, ONE AND A HALF INCHES WIDE FROM AN AREA OF 93 SQUARE FEET.

UH, SIGNAGE WALLS WILL BE PLACED ACROSS THE BUILDING IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT SHOW AUTOMOTIVE NUMBERS, THE, UH, AUTOMOTIVE WITH AN ARROW TO SHOW WHERE TO GO.

UM, ANOTHER TWO FOOT AUTOMOTIVE SIGN, THE WHERE THE OUTDOOR GOODS ARE THE HOME AND PHARMACY GROCERY, AND ANOTHER WALMART IDENTIFICATION SIGN.

UM, OVERALL THESE SIGNS, UH, END UP BEING LESS, UH, SIGN AREA THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

SO THE OVERALL PACKAGE IS REDUCED.

SO, UH, STAFF DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

DO I NEED TO SILENCE

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THOUGH? I ASSUME.

YES, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT.

COULD YOU SAY AND SPELL YOUR NAME PLEASE? MY NAME IS BEN DARIANNA LAST NAME D A R I A N O.

UM, WELL THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME IN HERE TONIGHT.

I TOLD HIM IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN IN-PERSON MEETING.

I HAVEN'T DONE ONE OF THESE IN AWHILE.

UM, EVERYTHING'S DIGITAL AND I MUCH RATHER COMING HERE IN PERSON.

UM, LIKE SCOTT MENTIONED, WE'RE PROPOSING AN OVERALL REDUCTION IN THAT SIGNAGE OF THE WALMART.

WALMART IS KIND OF UPDATING THEIR SIGNAGE AGAIN.

UM, LIKE THEY DO EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS THIS TIME.

UM, THE GOAL, THE IDEA IS THEY'RE GOING TO MATCH ALL THEIR BRANDING ACROSS WALMART IS NOW JOINING.

UM, AND SO WALMART IS PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE TOLL SIGNAGE.

UM, IT'S ABOUT 200 SQUARE FOOT LOSS ON THE SIGNAGE.

THE MAIN, ALMOST ALL THE LOSS THERE ALONE IS FROM MAIN SIGNS, WHICH INTO THE NEW DESIGN.

UM, THIS REALLY WON'T AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE STORE SINCE WE DO HAVE A NET REDUCTION, UM, IT'S AN EXISTING WALMART.

THE OVERALL SIGN PACKAGE WILL ALSO HELP PROVIDE A BETTER WAY FINDING FOR CUSTOMERS ONCE THEY'RE ON THE SITE.

UM, ALL THE AUTOMOTIVE SIGNAGE IS KIND OF DESIGNED FOR ALL THE STALLS FOR THE OIL CHANGE AND TIRE CENTER BACK THERE.

UM, THAT SAID IT'S PRETTY SMALL ALTERATIONS, A PRETTY BIG REDUCTION IN TOTAL SIGNAGE WITH THE BAREFOOT.

SO THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS OWNING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF IT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT WD PARTNERS ON BEHALF OF WALMART, IN THEIR REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE FOR THE MODIFICATIONS OF THE SIGNINGS PACKAGE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 76 80 BRAND PIKE ZONING CASE 21 DASH TWO AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS.

IS THERE A SECOND SECOND BY MISS FARGO SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MR. JEFFRIES.

YES.

YES.

MS. BARGAIN.

YES.

MS. THOMAS.

YES.

MR. WALTON.

YES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ZERO.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, NEXT STEP IS TO SUBMIT FOR THEIR ZONING CERTIFICATES TO BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, A PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE MIXED USED PROJECT, OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, MR. FALCON.

UH, YES.

UM, AT THE, UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THERE IT'S THE OLD SWAN LAKE APARTMENTS AND THE OLD, UH, HUBER FACILITY, UM, THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS SAT VACANT FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW THAT, UM, THEY, THE OLD OWNERS, VINE, BROOKE, UM, THAT HAD PURCHASED EVERYTHING FROM THE HUBER FAMILY, UM, HAD CLOSED DOWN ALL OF THE, UM, EXISTING APARTMENTS AND THEN ALSO MOVED OUT THEIR SERVICE DEPARTMENT IN OFFICES THAT WERE THERE.

UH, THEY HAVE PUT THIS PROPERTY UP FOR SALE, AND THERE'S A GROUP THAT, UH, UM, WILL INTRODUCE THEMSELVES HERE IN A MINUTE THAT IS LOOKING TO FINALIZE A PURCHASE ON THIS PROPERTY AND CREATE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO, UM, I WILL JUST TO LET EVERYBODY THAT'S ONLINE, KNOW THAT, UM, I'M PUTTING THE, UH, THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN UP ON THE SCREEN AND I'VE ALSO PRINTED OUT 11 BY 17.

SO EACH OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS HAS SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THEM AS WELL.

UM, SO I'LL PASS THIS ON TO MR. CASTLE LIDO.

UM, YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT IN THE GROUP.

GREAT.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

UM, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? YES.

GREAT.

FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THIS VIRTUALLY.

UM, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE, UH, ARE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS AND WE, WE WANTED TO GET IT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS SOON AS WE COULD AND START MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD.

SO ONE, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US DO THIS VIRTUALLY.

AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN ON AS, AS IT PROGRESSES TO, UH, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FACE TO FACE.

UM, I AM WITH A BROAD REACH RETAIL AND SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT NAME WE USED TO OWN AND OPERATE WAYNE TOWN PLAZA,

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WHICH IS, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE DONE SOME BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, UH, AND THE MARKET.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERSHIP OF WAYNE COUNTY PLAZA, UH, WAS A CATALYST FOR US TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, ACROSS THE STREET.

SOME OF OUR SUCCESSES THERE, UH, ALLOWED US TO BUILD SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH, UH, LOCAL REAL ESTATE FOLKS, WHICH OFFERED US A CONNECTION TO THIS PROPERTY.

AND WE SINCE PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT WITH VINE BURKE HOMES TO, UH, TO PURCHASE IT.

UM, IT'S BEEN UNDER CONTRACT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FEVEROUSLY, UH, THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND THROUGH SOME, UH, CHALLENGING TIMES IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, RETAIL, UH, TAKEN A BIT OF A SLOWDOWN AND THEN A RAMP UP.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN REGARDS TO SOME RESTRICTIONS FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, UH, BUT WE HAVE PERSEVERED THROUGH THIS AND WE HAVE, UH, WITH THE TEAM HERE, WE HAVE DEVELOPED A SITE PLAN, UH, THAT WE WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ENVISIONED, UH, FOR CERTAIN USES, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

UM, WE ARE CONTEMPLATING, UH, AS SCOTT MENTIONED MIXED USE.

SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, UH, WHICH WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH A GROUP CALLED HOMESTEAD, WHICH YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH CHRIS.

THERE'S SOME OTHER BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE DOING LOCAL IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

AND, UM, MATT CANTERBURY AND VALOR ARE, UH, ON THE CALL AS WELL.

AND I'M SURE THEY WILL, UH, HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME DESCRIPTIONS OF THEIR ARSENAL, UH, AS WELL.

UM, BROAD REACH WOULD BE, UH, FOCUSING ON THE RETAIL COMPONENT.

UM, AND THAT IS A MIX OF SOME SINGLE USERS AND SINGLE PARCELS AND SOME OTHER SMALL SHOP RETAIL COMPONENTS.

UM, ERIC PENNY IS WITH BROAD REACH, HAS BEEN FOCUSING ON THE RETAIL PORTION AND HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED WITH DAY TO DAY WITH SPECIFIC RETAILERS AND THE ULTIMATE LAYOUT TO MEET THEIR CRITERIA IS, UH, OF, OF EACH DIFFERENT PARCEL, UM, BOTH HOMESTEAD AND, UH, BROAD REACH HAVE ENGAGED, UH, BURKHART ENGINEERING, WHICH KURT WITH PFIZER IS ON THE PHONE OR ON THE CAMERA AS WELL.

UM, AND BURKHART WILL BE, UH, THEY HELPED US WITH THIS SITE PLAN AND THEY WILL BE DOING THE NECESSARY DRAWINGS AND EXHIBITS, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS.

UH, SO CURT HERE IT IS, UH, HAS JOINED US AND HE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

UH, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT TOPO, LOOKING AT EXISTING POND AND HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PROJECT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD.

UH, THEY HELPED US AT WAYNE TOWN PLAZA AS WELL.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION WITH THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THE USES HERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND TAKE THAT SAME PHILOSOPHY THAT WE HAD AT WAYNE TOWN PLAZA AND BE ABLE TO BRING IT OVER HERE WITH THE ADDED COMPONENT OF A RESIDENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT WELL, AND MATT AND DOUG'S TEAM, WHICH I KNOW ARE HIGHLY SKILLED, UM, AND BRING, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, A GREAT ATTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT.

UM, SO, SO WITH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

UM, AND I KNOW THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS, AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO, UH, DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO BE A SUCCESSFUL, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE AND I'LL HELP THIS PROJECT GO THROUGH.

THANK YOU.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. JEFFREY'S GOT A FEW SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT OR MORE FOR SCOUT, BUT I KNOW WHEN THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT COMING THROUGH THAT, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION COMING TO THE AREA.

AND IT WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT WE WERE GONNA EXPLORE ALL, DO TRAFFIC OPTIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT DIDN'T CONGEST.

AND WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT A BOULEVARD.

I THINK I EVEN HEARD TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE.

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UH, LET'S SAY GOING DOWNHILL AND TAYLORSVILLE, THIS WOULD BE WHAT WESTBOUND TAYLORSVILLE, UM, ADDING A RIGHT TURN LANE TO DIVERT TRAFFIC OUT OF THERE AS WELL.

AND THEN THERE'S NONE OF THAT IN HERE.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE POURING CONGESTION BACK ON TO TWO OH TWO THERE'S, THREE NEW CUT INS OR CUT OUTS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY WITH RIGHT.

AND LEFT TURNS, INCLUDING ONE RIGHT UP INTO THAT HEAVY TRAFFIC AREA AT THE LIGHT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CONCEPTUAL THIS IS VERSUS REALITY, BUT I KNOW I WAS LOOKING FOR A LOT MORE ATTENTION TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

THIS I A HUNDRED ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IS GOING TO BRING.

ALL RIGHT.

I CAN START WITH AN ANSWER ON THAT ONE.

UM, ONE THING YOU SAID IS EXACTLY RIGHT, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL.

THIS IS JUST TO GET THOSE CONCERNS OUT OF PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT THE HOT BUTTONS ARE AND WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT TYPES OF THINGS AS THEY COME FORWARD BEFORE AN OFFICIAL SUBMITTAL.

UM, I DO KNOW THEY HAVE, UH, ENGAGED WITH A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND A TRAFFIC STUDY IS, UM, UH, UNDERWAY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND, AND THEY, THEY KNOW THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, UM, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM REGARDING TRAFFIC AND WAITING FOR THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY BEFORE MAKING ANY RASH DECISIONS ON ANY SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS.

UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE BEING DONE OUTSIDE OF THIS, WE'LL SAY IS, UH, STARTING A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE SPRING ONCE, UH, THE WEATHER BREAKS AND EVERYTHING THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OLD TROY PIKE AND TAYLORSVILLE IN FRONT OF WHERE THE NEW, UH, VALVOLINE IS GOING TO GO.

UM, THE, THE CITY IS PUTTING IN A TURN LANE THERE, A WIDENING OLD TROY PIKE FOR THAT DEDICATED TURN LANE.

UM, AND THEN THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL LOOK AT WHEN THEY COME FORWARD AND GET THE INPUT OF ACTUAL DATA.

AND, UH, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE TO, UH, GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF HERE BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THIS.

AND WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO GO UP AND DOWN THE OLD TROY PIKE, AS YOU'LL NOTICE.

UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE DRIVES, UM, ARE STRATEGIC, UH, FOR A REASON.

UM, I'VE, UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS TRYING TO DIRECT MORE TRAFFIC AWAY FROM HUBER ROAD, UM, BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECT LINK ACROSS THE STREETS.

UH, SO ANY KIND OF ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC EXITING THESE TYPES OF PLACES IN THE SAME PLACE AS ACROSS THE STREET THAT MAKES TURNING MOVEMENTS A LOT BETTER.

UM, SO THAT'S, UH, HEBREW ROAD IS A PUBLIC DEDICATED ROAD.

UH, PART OF THAT WILL NEED TO BE, UM, UH, VACATED, UH, TO MAKE THIS PLAN HAPPEN BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THAT CALL TO SAC BACK IN THE BACK, AND THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS WILL BE.

SO, UM, THAT THAT'S, UH, AS I WAS TALKING WITH THEM, UM, THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TRAFFIC IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE ON THIS PROJECT.

YES.

AND IS THERE AN OPTION OR, AND THIS MIGHT BE WAY EARLY, BUT I KNOW YOU AND I HAD TALKED AT ONE POINT ABOUT THAT MOUNT WHITNEY ACCESS, OR EVEN THE OTHER ACCESS THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MOUNT HOOD OR THE OTHER ROADS THAT'S NOT LABELED, UH, ABOUT GETTING ACCESS OUT THAT WAY OR IN THAT WAY AS WELL.

INSTEAD OF HAVING A CUT IN, ESPECIALLY LIKE AT THE MOUNT WHITNEY AND TAYLORSVILLE, I MEAN, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE EXIT ON TO TAYLORSVILLE IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THE ROAD THERE.

SO I DUNNO, I THINK YOU SAID AT ONE POINT, THOSE ARE PRIVATE ROADS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THOSE ARE PRIVATE DRIVES, UM, FOR MOUNT WHITNEY.

AND, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT ABOUT IF THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME COMMON SHARE ACCESS, UM, I, TO EXPRESS ONE TO EXPRESS CONCERN FOR THE ADDED, UM, CUT THROUGHS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, UH, ONTO OLD TOY BAG, THIS IS ADDING A THREE MORE THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, BECAUSE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WANTING TO TURN OUT OF THERE TO GO SOUTH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY TRAVELING SOUTH AND WANT TO TURN INTO THESE PLACES, UH, CREATE QUITE A TRAFFIC BACKUP THAT'S HAPPENING UP THERE AT, UM, STARBUCKS.

UM, AND THE OTHER THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, GOING ALONG WITH THE IDEA OF THE MOUNT WHITNEY, EVEN IF THERE WAS SUCH A PLAN THAT THIS WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF AN EXIT ROAD, IF NOT ON THAT, LIKE MAYBE ONE THAT'S PARALLEL TO IT

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THAT WOULD TAKE IT OUT AND BE AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE UP THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES HELP THAT THEY ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM EXITS, FROM, UH, WAYNE TOWN BOULEVARD, EVEN ONE OF THOSE, THE ONE THAT IS DOWN BY WHAT USED TO BE, I HOP, UM, THAT ONE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO EXIT AND TO TURN TO GO NORTH CREATES QUITE A, UH, BACKUP, UM, AT TIMES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT.

AND, AND FROM THAT, UH, IN THIS SAID CONCEPT PLAN, THERE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT THEY ARE POINTING OUT TO TAYLORSVILLE ROAD THAT, UH, I THINK IS A KEY PART TO THIS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS IN AND OUTS FOR THAT EXACT REASON.

YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR MINE'S JUST VERY, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR ON THE TRAFFIC.

I BELIEVE WE ALL INCUR WITH THAT.

THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN, CONCEPTUALLY, I LIKE THE LAYOUT AND IT LOOKS NICE.

IT LOOKS LIKE A BRAIN WITH A SQUARE FOOTAGE INTO THE, INTO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S NICE.

BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC IS THE SURE.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS GOING IN THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER TRAFFIC PLAN, EVEN COMING HERE THIS EVENING, COMING OFF OF OLD TROY, UH, COMING SOUTH.

IT'S JUST, IT'S A VERY HARD TO LEFT BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS SO BACKED UP THERE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT, THEN SWAN, LIKE, I MEAN, I SAT THROUGH TWO GREEN LIGHTS SOUND, JUST A QUESTION, I GUESS, MORE FOR SCOTT ON THIS ONE.

SO WHERE MOUNT WHITNEY IN A FRUIT, THE NEXT ONE, IF IT'S MOUNT HOOD OR WHATEVER THE NEXT ROAD UP IS, IF THEY DO REMAIN PRIVATE ROADS, W WHAT IS THE ABILITY OF A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, TO BE ABLE TO CUT IN, TO UTILIZE THOSE ROADS AS EXITS? IS THAT EVEN AN OPTION OR IS THERE HAVE TO BE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE ROAD? SO FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ANY EASEMENT AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THAT, BECAUSE THEIR DRIVES WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE DRIVES KIND OF THE SAME WAY THAT, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ACCESS, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THERE IS THE ABILITY TO, UM, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, ABOUT THEIR WILLINGNESS.

UM, BUT THERE, THERE, THERE ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT PRIVATELY OWNED ROAD.

YES, MOUNT WHITNEY IS PRIVATE.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A CITY STREET.

THE NEXT ONE UP MOUNT HOOD.

THAT ONE IS IT'S PUBLIC TO A POINT AND THEN SWITCHES TO PRIVATES.

UM, AS IT GETS BACK INTO THE NINA, THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS MAP, BUT DOES MOUNT WHITNEY DEAD END INTO A PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING FOR MULTIFAMILY OR WHERE THE CONCEPTUAL, IT, IT PARALLELS THE, UH, THAT EASTERN LINE.

UM, BUT, BUT THEN DEAD ENDS INTO A PARKING LOT AND THEN HEADS TO THE EAST THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. CASTELLINO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT AS IN, WE WISH YOU GOOD LUCK AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHAM.

WE APPRECIATE ERIC EXPANDING ON THE PLAN.

GREAT.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY FOR ANYBODY THAT'S ONLINE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION? UM, EITHER ABOUT LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OR ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED? THEY'RE GOOD.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

YOU TOO.

THANKS.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ELECTION OF OFFICERS AT THIS TIME.

UM, IS THERE ANY NOMINATION FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? AND WE'LL START OFF WITH SHERIFF.

TAYLOR IS NOW EXITING.

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JUST NOMINATED THE SAME AS WE HAVE.

ARE WE ALLOWED TO HOLD? ARE WE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE SAME? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT FOR TERRY TO STAY A CHAIR.

I'LL SECOND.

THAT MOTION.

I WILL, UH, WE'LL ACCEPT THAT IF THERE'S NO OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR.

SO BE IT.

THANK YOU.

GOOD TO PUT UP WITH HIM IN ANOTHER YEAR AND THAT'S IT.

THAT'S FINE.

TAKE A VOTE SECRETARY.

WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL RIGHT, MR. JEFFERY'S.

YES.

ESOP.

YES.

MS. THOMAS.

OH, I GUESS YES.

YES.

MR. ROLL.

I DO BELIEVE SO.

YES.

THANK YOU.

UH, NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE JANE OF ORGO.

GREAT.

JANE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CARRY ON, IS THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR AND HEARING NONE? SECRETARY? I NEED A SECOND.

SO I CAN SAY, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES.

MS. OPP? YES.

MS. THOMAS.

YES.

MS. MARGO.

YES.

MR. WALDEN.

YES.

CONGRATULATIONS.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE BOTH OF YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND SAYING THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

AS A SIDE NOTE OF WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING, THIS 11, FEBRUARY 9TH, NINTH.

I WILL NOT BE HERE.

WOW.

SLACKING ON YOUR NEW DUTIES.

ALL RIGHT.

TO HOLD THE HEADLINE.

OKAY.

UM, NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, DECEMBER 15TH MINUTES OR IN FRONT OF ME WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS, WE WILL APPROVE THOSE AND HEARING NO OBJECTIONS.

THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS, A CALENDAR REVIEW.

MR. FALCAO COMING UP.

WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR, UM, FAM EXPANSION SLASH MODIFICATION AT THE HEBREW HEALTH CENTER ON OLD TROY PIKE.

UM, JUST NORTH OF SHAWL ROAD, UM, WHERE THE EMERGENCY CENTER IS, THEY ARE REDOING THAT ENTRANCE, UM, HOW YOU GET IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA.

SO THERE'S THAT.

AND THEN ALSO QUAIL RIDGE, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT PROPERTY IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHAMBERSBURG IN BETWEEN STONY CREEK AND LEXINGTON PLACE.

UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I THINK IT'S BEEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

THE, UH, THEY CAME THROUGH FOR A REZONING TO REZONE TO OUR FOUR FROM, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THREE BEFORE THAT.

WELL, THERE'S NOW A NEW DEVELOPER.

WHO'S LOOKING TO PURCHASE THAT AND IT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH WITH A, A PUD, A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL FOR THAT SITE.

SO THEY WANT TO START THAT PROCESS FOR A RESIDENTIAL LAWNS.

IT'S BETWEEN STONY CREEK AND LEXINGTON PLACE, SOUTH SIDE.

OKAY.

GOTCHA.

AND, UH, ERIN LANE DEAD ENDS INTO IT FROM COMING UP FROM FITCHBURG.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND ARE THEY RECOMMENDING BIGGER LOTS OR SMALLER WATTS? THEY WANT TO MATCH BASICALLY WHAT WAS APPROVED ALEXA IN PLACE? ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE, OR TO BRING BEFORE THE DICE JEFFREY? I HAD A QUESTION TO FOLLOW UP WITH SCOTT ON FROM THE OAKS STUFF THAT WE WORKED ON BEFORE I SAW THE PUBLIC HEARING HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.

AND IT'S GOT SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM EVERYTHING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, MAINLY GOING FROM NO RENTALS TO ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT WITH THE 55 FOOT WIDE LOTS.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY I THINK THEY CHANGED THE SETBACK FROM 20 TO TWENTY-FIVE IN THE FRONT AND INCREASED SOME OF THE BACK.

BUT I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED, IT SOUNDED LIKE A 25 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, THE LOTS DIDN'T FIT.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ON HOW THIS ALL FITS NOW WITH THOSE, THOSE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

AND PERSONALLY, I WOULD BE A NO VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW WHERE I WAS A YES.

BEFORE.

SO IF THEY'RE CHANGING THE RESIDENTIAL AND BEING ABLE TO PUT THE SMALLER LOTS IN AND NOT MATCHING THE OAKS BASED ON THE LEGACY OF THE LITTLE BIT I CAUGHT.

SO, AND PART OF THIS HAS BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION.

SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS THERE'S, UM, FROM WHAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED MULTIPLE TIMES AT PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED FROM PLANNING COMMISSION TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE WAS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION AT CITY COUNCIL WHERE EVERYTHING WAS PRESENTED AND THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AND THEN MORE ISSUES FROM NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP FROM THAT THERE, OR THE APPLICANT

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FROM THAT WORK SESSION.

UM, THEY POSTPONED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF THEY COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, MAINLY ABOUT DENSITY.

UM, AND SOME OF THEM WERE THAT THE SAME THING ABOUT DRAINAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

UM, BUT THEY CAME BACK AND MADE SOME CONCESSIONS OF, OKAY, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS PLAN WORK.

UM, SO FROM THAT, IT WENT TO THE WORK SESSION LAST NIGHT, AND PART OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO CHANGE TO TRY TO GET THIS, UH, TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IS ONE, IT WAS GOING TO BE PRIVATE STREETS.

NOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC STREETS, OR THEY'RE GOING TO ADD SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WAS OKAY, WELL, IF YOU PUT SIDEWALKS THERE AND YOU ONLY HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CARS.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO STRETCH THINGS IN THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE SIDEWALKS TO HAVE 25 FEET.

BUT WHETHER IT'S NOT SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE WOULD ONLY BE 20 FOOT FRONTAGE ON ALL THE LOTS THAT BACKUP TO EXISTING LOTS, THEY'LL HAVE A 40 FOOT REAR YARD.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MOUNDING THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE.

AND IF THIS DOES GET PASSED AND IT COMES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WILL BE A, UH, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT MOUNTAIN AND LANDSCAPING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S KEPT UP IN PERPETUITY.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, THEY WERE WILLING TO BRING THE DENSITY DOWN.

THERE WERE POSING PROPOSING 46 LOTS.

THEY WERE WILLING TO GO DOWN TO 41 LINES.

SO, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HEARD SMALLER LOTS.

NO, THESE WILL BE BIGGER LOTS.

SO THEY'RE, UM, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, PRESENTED THAT AS 46 LOTS MEANT THE SAME SIDE YARD REQUIREMENTS AS THE REST OF THE OAKS.

SO THERE WAS A COMMENT LAST NIGHT ABOUT, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE CLOSER TOGETHER THAN WHAT WE SEE.

NO, THEY'RE NOT THERE.

THERE'S, THE HOUSES ARE NOT AS WIDE.

SO THE STREETSCAPE IS GOING TO LOOK SIMILAR WITH THE DISTANCE IN BETWEEN HOUSES.

NOW WITH THIS NEW, WITH THEM BEING WILLING TO GO DOWN TO 41, LOTS, THEIR SIDE YARDS IS GOING TO BE EVEN BIGGER.

SO IT IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT, JUST MORE SPACE IN BETWEEN THEM THAN THE REST OF THE OAKS.

AND AS I EXPLAINED THAT HOUSE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ME, IT'S THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OAKS.

IT'S ACTUALLY LARGER THAN WHAT THE MINIMUMS ARE.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD THAT IN, ON THEIR LOT IN THE OAKS, THEY COULD, THAT, THAT WOULD MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT STANDS.

UM, THERE'S STILL THE QUESTION OF DENSITY BECAUSE AS, UM, OVERALL THERE'S MORE HOUSES HERE, THEM WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN OVERALL SHOW.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE LAST, WELL, I DON'T WANT IT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE STICKING POINTS THAT SAYS STILL OUT THERE.

UM, BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AND THAT'S AS WELL.

THEY WERE WILLING TO, UM, SWITCH THEM SINCE THEY WILL, ARE OUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS, UM, TO, FOR SALE LOTS.

UM, BUT AS I'VE SAID ALL ALONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT ANY ONE OF YOU CAN'T RENT YOUR HOUSE OUT, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S RENTALS IN THE OAKS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'LL, THEY'LL COME BACK WITH AN HLA TO MAINTAIN THE BASIN AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT A LOT WITH NOW COMPARED TO, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NOW IN THE PROPOSAL VERSUS THE LOT WITH THE OAKS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SURE.

THE, THE OAKS IS 85 AND THESE ARE, UM, ABOUT 70, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THAT HOUSE ON THOSE LOTS, ONCE IT'S APPROVED.

RIGHT? BECAUSE I WENT FROM, WE WENT FROM MULTI-FAMILY CONDO UNITS TO THESE SKINNY HOME RENTAL UNITS NOW TO, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'LL BE BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US, BUT NOW WE'RE AT THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND ONCE IT GETS APPROVED FOR THOSE LAWNS, THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER HOUSE THEY WANT SO THEY CAN GO, RIGHT.

SO THEY CAN BUILD THE OAKS HOUSE ON A SKINNIER LOT, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN PUT MORE HOMES IN THAN WHAT THEY COULD PUT IN AT THE OAKS, WHICH IS WHY I SAY I WOULD HAVE A BIG CONCERN ON THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT WE VOTED ON VERSUS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MOVING.

THEY STILL WANT TO BUILD THAT SAME HOUSE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE WE BUILT, WELL, THAT'S THE THING, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT RENTALS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO RENT THEM.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

BUT I KNOW WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THEM, NOTING IT AS A COMPLEX, INSTEAD OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY WERE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE OUTSIDE MAINTENANCE AND THE PRIVATE STREETS AND ALL THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD SOME, I, AT LEAST THAT'S WHY I HAD SOME LEEWAY ON STUFF LIKE THE 20 FOOT YARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT, CAUSE IT WAS SOMEBODY ASKED ME ABOUT IT AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE CONVERSATION I REMEMBER.

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AND IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I, YEAH.

SO FOR THE PROCESS PURPOSES, UM, CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO VOTE TO AMEND, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND IF THEY GO AWAY FROM THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEY HAVE TO VOTE TO AMEND.

AND THEN AFTER THEY, THEY WILL HAVE, WHAT'S CALLED A SUPER MAJORITY SIX VOTES TO PASS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THEN DOES IT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US? I WOULD THINK IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

YEAH.

PLAN.

THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, BUT CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE, UH, PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE.

AND SO IF CITY COUNCIL DENIES IT AS THE PLAN THAT WAS SENT TO THEM, THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK BEFORE POINT OF COMMISSION TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

JIM, I DIDN'T WATCH THE NAVY.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CON A LOT OF CHANGES FROM THE TIMELINE STARTED TO NOW, AND IT'S STILL EVOLVING.

LIKE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY CAPTURED WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO THERE, BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN IS JUST TRYING TO THROW SOMETHING OUT THERE AND SEE IF IT STICKS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN IS IF IT GETS APPROVED THE WAY IT WITH THE 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS, AND THEY BUILD ONE HOUSE AND SAY, NAH, WE'RE GOOD.

ANYBODY CAN WALK IN AND BUILD ANY HOMES ON THE 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS.

WHEREAS IT COULD BE THE SAME HOUSE THAT'S BEING BUILT ON THE 80 FOOT, FIVE 85 FOOT REQUIRED SIZE, LOTS IN THE OAKS, WHICH GOES AGAINST THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN OF THE OAKS IS WHY I SAY IT'S, IT'S A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE TO ME AND MY VOTE.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S STILL GUIDELINES THAT ANYBODY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.

SO IT'S NOT JUST BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THEY, ON THE SIDE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT AND TELL YOU, THE 85 FOOT LAW MEANS YOU SPENT, YOU PUT MORE, YOU PUT FEWER HOMES IN, IF IT'S 80 FOOT WIDE, FIVE FOOT WIDE THAN YOU DO, IF IT'S 70 FEET WIDE.

YES.

PERIOD, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CAN SELL THEM FOR A LITTLE BIT LESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA HOME OR THREE OR WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR PROFIT MARGINS ON WHERE AN 85 FOOT LOT, YOU'RE MORE LIMITED, WHICH IS AGAIN, A MATERIAL CONCERN THAT THAT'S WHY I WANT TO DO ADDRESS IT.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, BACK WE, THE BABBLING DOWN HERE WHEN IT WAS BEFORE US, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THOUGHT WE HAD, UH, TURNED DOWN THAT BECAUSE OF LIGHTING AND, AND VARIOUS THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT I OVERHEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HUBERT PLAN THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

YES.

AND THAT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO OVERTURN THE RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO IT DID GET APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

SO ANYTIME THERE'S A REZONING OR A MAJOR CHANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDING BOARD.

AND THEN CITY COUNCIL TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN VOTES HOW THEY FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE.

I'M SORRY, WHAT PROPERTY WAS THAT ABOUT? SO WHAT IS, HOW DOES THAT STAND NOW? UM, OKAY.

SO IT GOT, IT GOT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED FOR ALL THEIR PERMITS AND THEY'VE RECEIVED THEIR PERMITS AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO START, UH, DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION IN THE SPRING.

RIGHT.

SO SCOTT, WHAT'S THE UPDATE ON CHICK-FIL-A.

THEY ALSO HAVE SUBMITTED, UM, FOR ALL THEIR PERMITS FROM THE CITY.

UM, AND THEY ARE ALSO ON A SPRING TIMELINE, MAYBE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT NOW.

WELL, FROM THE ORIGINAL TIMEFRAME.

YES.

UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT WAS COVID.

UM, SO THEY, THEY WERE DOING SOME INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS OF THEIR PLAN TO ALLOW FOR MORE OF THE, AND THEN WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THIS NOW THAT THE DOOR DASHES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SETTING UP THE INTERIORS TO HAVE THAT SEPARATION, UM, TYPE THING.

SO, UH, THEY WENT THROUGH THAT AND, UM, SO THERE, THEY HIT THE WINTER AND DECIDED JUST WAIT TILL THE WEATHER BREAKS TO START CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S THE WALMARTS, UH, PUT THE HOLES IN THE SIDE OF THEIR WALL.

ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT WHEN THEY DO THE SIGNS, WALMART BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW OR WHATEVER THAT WAS.

OH, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM AFTER THAT GOT APPROVED.

SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE TESTING THIS.

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UM, BUT UH, LIBERTY TAX WENT IN THAT SPACE.

YEAH.

IT WAS IN THERE WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, BUT IT WASN'T OFFICIAL THAT THEY WERE WELL, THEY HAD A SIGN SETTING AND THEN YOU COULD SEE PEOPLE STARTING TO GET THE OFFICE TOGETHER.

RIGHT.

I GUESS THEY NEED A DRIVE THROUGH SECOND TOSS, THE TAX RETURNS OUT THE WINDOW.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE STAY IN A JOURN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Speech-to-Text.