* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] THANKS, KATIE. UH, LET ME OPEN UP MY, MY WINDOW TO MAKE IT NICE AND LARGE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE RECORDING HAS STARTED, SO WE'RE ALL SET. COOL. WELL, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. [ AGENDA REFORM COMMITTEE OF THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZENS ACTION COMMISSION Remote Meeting November 16, 2020 6:00 P.M. ] GOOD EVENING. GOOD STUFF. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. SO I GUESS WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT WAS A SIX OH 6:02 PM, I GUESS FIRST, I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THE, UH, DOING A, UH, I GUESS A ROLL CALL. UM, SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, TARA TARA PURPOSE AND, UH, UH, ERIC RICHARDSON. I AM HERE AND, UH, AS TO FIND RAMIREZ WE'RE HERE. GOOD STUFF. GOOD STUFF. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. AND THEN, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, OKAY. THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SO, UM, SO TARA, I DON'T BELIEVE, I KNOW LAST FROM OUR LAST MEETING, YOU PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A SUMMARY OF JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR THINGS THAT WE NEEDED FOR A NEEDS ASSESSMENT, NOT SHOOT. THERE WERE REALLY MINUTES PER SE, BUT, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY HAD MINUTES TRAFFIC, BUT YOU DID AGREE TO DO MINUTES FOR YEAH, I'VE HAVE, UM, NOT TO CUT YOU OFF. I, SO AFTER WE MET THAT, THE LARGER COMMISSION, I REALIZED WHAT WE WERE THE EXPECTATION FOR THE MINUTES WAS, AND THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WOULD NORMALLY HAVE DONE. SO I HAVE THE FLASH DRIVE WITH THE VIDEO. SO IF WE CAN JUST TABLE THE MINUTES, I'LL TYPE THEM FROM THE VIDEO AND GET THEM, UM, TO YOU WITHIN THE WEEK. IT WAS MY PLAN TO DO IT YESTERDAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE BROKE LOOSE OVER HERE. NO PROBLEM. SO YOU WENT AND PICKED UP THE, UH, FLASH DRIVE. OKAY, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD STUFF. YEAH. SO YEAH, I THINK WHAT'S THAT. CAN WE TABLE THE MINUTES? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OH YEAH. YEAH, DEFINITELY. YEP. NO, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH. SO Y'ALL, I'M THINKING IT'S JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THE MINUTES TILL NEXT MEETING. OKAY. OKAY. CAN I GET A SECOND? WOW. OKAY. WELL THIS PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE WILL TABLE THE MINUTES UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, UH, IS READY FOR THE QUESTION. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. RIGHT. MOTION IS CARRIED GOOD STUFF. AND, AND ALL I WAS THINKING, UH, TARA FOR THE MINUTES. YEAH, JUST A, SOME, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION DURING OUR, UH, COMMISSION MEETING ABOUT WHAT, WHAT OUR MINUTES AND WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO CONSIST OF? I'M JUST THINKING JUST MAYBE A SUMMARY OF THE CONVERSATION THEN WHAT ACTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY ACTIONS THAT WE, THAT WE TOOK FROM THE MEETING OR ANY MOTIONS THAT WERE PASSED. RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE IN THE, IN THE MINUTES. YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG DRAWN OUT LONG DETAIL. OBVIOUSLY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WORD FOR WORD, BUT JUST KIND OF SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION, WHAT MOTIONS WERE, WERE, UM, WERE MADE AND WHAT ACTIONS WERE TAKEN, UM, IS I THINK, UH, WOULD THINK WOULD BE, UH, A GOOD EXPECTATION FOR THEM THAT'S IN MY MIND. SO, UM, COOL. ALL RIGHT. WELL, MOVING ALONG, THERE'S AN ASSAULT OLD BUSINESS. UM, I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING BOLD BUSINESS, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAD OUR MEETING LAST MONTH. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WILL WANT IT TO COVER OR, UH, FROM LAST MONTH, ANYTHING THAT, THAT WAS ANY RESIDUAL, UH, DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST MONTH, RIGHT. IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS. AND SO ON A NEW BUSINESS, THE FIRST ITEM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE UNDER THERE IS THE POLICE DIVISION DATA REVIEW. RIGHT. SO I ASSUME YOU ALL RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM, UH, MR. MR. SCHOMER LAST WEEK. UM, SO WHAT I DID, UM, SO I WENT THROUGH WHAT I DID INITIALLY, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS A PRETTY BIG PACKAGE. RIGHT. SO I THINK EACH, UH, EACH ATTACHMENT WAS ABOUT MAYBE, UH, WAS IT 200 PAGES OR MAYBE 31 PAGES. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. [00:05:01] SO, BUT SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO AT LEAST INITIALLY WAS JUST DO A, KIND OF A SANITY CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WE REQUESTED, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ALL THERE. SO IT APPEARS BASED ON MY, AND AGAIN, I SPENT SOME TIME YESTERDAY, DIDN'T GO THROUGH OFFICER READING EVERYTHING YET. I MEAN, THAT'S, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE SOME TIME HERE OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO TO TRY AND DELVE IN AND HOPING MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT I DID WAS I, I WENT THROUGH, LOOKED AT THE QUESTIONS, RIGHT. THAT WE HAD, IT LOOKS LIKE HE PUT THEM IN ORDER TO, TO SOME DEGREE IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO WE GOT THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN OF HUBER HEIGHTS. SO I SAW THAT, UM, AND, UH, SAW THE, IN, AT FIRST ATTACHMENT, RIGHT. THE, THE USE OF FORCE POLICY THAT WAS IN THERE, UH, THEN NOW THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WAS, UH, IT WAS A LINK TO THAT. SO I DID SEE THAT OPENED THAT UP AND KIND OF BRIEFLY LOOKED AT IT. BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, LET WE JUST SPEND SOME TIME, UH, DIGGING INTO THAT. AND THEN, UH, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A RIDE ALONG POLICY? UH, NOT SURE IF I SAW THAT ANYWHERE, BUT MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE WITH, WITH, UH, WITH ROBIN AND COMPANY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS THE, YOU KNOW, THE HIRING RECRUITING POLICY FOR NEW AND TRANSPLANTING OFFICERS. SO I DID SEE THEIR POLICY ON HOW THEY, UM, DO THEIR RECRUITING OR DO THEIR HIRING. SO THAT WAS IN THERE AGAIN, I JUST PROVED IT BRIEFLY, NOT, NOT SPENDING ANY, UH, ANY DEPTH INTO IT, UH, ON THE CONTINUUM ON THE CONTINUOUS EDUCATION POLICY. SO THEY DID ALSO, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, THEY SHOWED THE TRAINING, UH, THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED, UH, WHETHER IT BE, UM, ANNUALLY OR BIANNUALLY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO IT LIST THE TRAINING THAT'S REQUIRED. I SAW THAT, UH, AND I GUESS IT WAS COUPLED WITH THIS NEXT QUESTION, WHAT CONTINUOUS TRAINING IS REQUIRED BY OFFICERS AND HOW OFTEN, SO THAT'S, THAT APPEARS TO ALL BE THERE. UM, THEN, UH, UH, NEXT, UH, PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAS, IS THERE AN OFFICER, OFFICER DISCIPLINARY ACTION POLICY AND IT, AND IT, I THINK EVEN IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, I THINK I SAW IT THERE AND THEN MAYBE ALSO SAW IT IN THERE, THE ATTACHMENT AS WELL. I THINK I SAW SOMETHING THAT SPOKE TO WHAT WHAT'S INVOLVED THERE. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WE HAD WAS DOES A POLICY EXIST TO SUPPORT PROMOTION OPPORTUNITIES FOR MINORITIES, RIGHT? SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S SPECIFIC. AT LEAST I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY, JUST AGAIN, ONLY THING THEY, WHAT THEY DID HAVE WAS JUST HOW THEY GO. I THINK THEY JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT DIVERSITY. I CAN'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, BUT AGAIN, THEY TALK ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THEIR RECRUITING POLICY AND HIRING POSSIBLY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO MINORITIES. UM, BUT, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DIDN'T GO THROUGH IT IN GREAT DETAIL, SO WE'LL NEED TO DIVE IN, DIVE INTO THAT. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE LAST PIECE PIECE WAS THE, THE, THE STATISTICS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT. BROKEN DOWN DEMOGRAPHICALLY. SO IN THAT FIRST ATTACHMENT OR THE BOTTOM, I THINK THERE WAS PAGES AND PAGES, RIGHT. THAT SHOWED THE SHOW, THE STATISTICS, AND IT BROKEN DOWN BY RACE, UH, LOOKING AT, I THINK IT HAD THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS, THE NUMBER OF COURSE, NUMBER OF POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTING. I THINK HE, HE TOOK IT BACK TO 2017. SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF FORCE, UH, THE TYPES OF USE OF FORCE THAT WAS USED. UH, I THINK THAT EVEN HAD SOME INFORMATION ON THE COMPLAINTS, ANY COMPLAINTS, UH, FROM THE CITIZENS, I THINK THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION IN THERE ON THAT. I THINK I ALSO SAW THE, UH, NOW I DIDN'T SEE THE SCRIPT. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE, UM, HOLD ON. WHAT WAS IT, THE NUMBER OF, OKAY. THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WHO WERE DISCIPLINED, INCLUDING DESCRIPTION. NOW THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THERE? I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T SEE THAT, UM, THE NUMBER OF POLICE STOPS THAT I THINK THEY HAD SOMETHING IN THERE TOWARDS THE END ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS AND THINGS, AND THE TYPES OF, UH, WARNING OR CITATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED, I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN THERE. AND THEN, UM, NOW THE LAST PIECE WAS THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE RANK AND POSITION. SO I DON'T THINK I SAW THAT. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SAW THAT, BUT I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IN MY INITIAL LOOK, AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T FINISH GOING THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS. RIGHT. SO THAT MIGHT BE IN THERE JUST TO KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF, UH, UH, UH, YEAH, DEMOGRAPHICALLY OF WHO'S IN WHAT POSITION WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT, BUT IT APPEARS MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE ASKED FOR, UH, IS PRESENT IN, IN THOSE DOC. AGAIN, THERE WERE THREE ATTACHMENTS, I THINK THE OTHER ATTACHMENTS MAYBE KIND OF GET INTO THE OTHER TOPIC THAT I HAVE, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE, [00:10:01] WHAT THE NAACP, UH, WAS LOOKING FOR FROM THE, FROM THE, UM, HIS DEPARTMENT IN THE DAYTON METRO COMMUNITY. BUT YEAH, SO I THINK, UM, SO RIGHT. I JUST THINK WE JUST, HERE'S WHAT I'M MAYBE SUGGESTING. RIGHT. AND I'LL KIND OF PUT THIS OUT HERE, RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY IS A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE DO, IF WE WANT. CAUSE I W WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS WE REVIEW THE MATERIAL AND THEN BE ABLE TO, FIRST OF ALL, AT LEAST, LIKE, THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME TERMINOLOGY IN THERE THAT I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SOME TERMS THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM MAYBE TO ASK SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS, BUT, UM, BUT WHAT I LIKED FOR US MAYBE HAS TO DO IS TO REVIEW, UM, THE DOCUMENT AND THEN, UM, YEAH, FOR ONE GATHER, MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS. AND, AND THEN ALSO MAYBE IDENTIFY WHERE THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERNS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, UH, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I LOOKING AT THE STATISTICS, RIGHT. AGAIN, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REALLY DIVE INTO STATISTICS, BUT IS THERE ANY BLARING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TREATMENT BETWEEN, BETWEEN, UH, MINORITIES AND THE MAJORITY, RIGHT. I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT CLOSELY. RIGHT. BUT ARE THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GLARING THERE, RIGHT. THAT, THAT MAY BE A CONCERN, BUT, OR JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT OTHER POLICIES, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE, WE MIGHT SAY HERE'S MAYBE A GOOD ID OR SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO SUGGEST OR SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO RECOMMEND AS A POTENTIAL CHANGE OR ADD IF YOU WILL, UM, AGAIN, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE, RIGHT. BUT, BUT AGAIN, AT LEAST WE GO THE DOCUMENT, UH, WRITE DOWN SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. RIGHT. SO JUST CLARIFICATION. AND THEN TWO, IF THERE'S SOME, MAKE A NOTE OF ANY CONCERNS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, WHAT THEY CURRENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CURRENT POLICY ON USE OF FORCE OR ON TRAINING OR ON A DISCIPLINARY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. RIGHT. UM, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT WE CAN DO IS THEN DIVIDE THESE, THESE SECTIONS UP, RIGHT? THERE'S A POLICY ON TRAINING AS A POLICY, ON USE OF FORCE AS A POLICY ON, YOU KNOW, ON THESE DIFFERENT AREAS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE ERIC, YOU TAKE THESE TWO POLICIES AS DEFINED. YOU TAKE THESE TWO, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. I'M JUST SEEING HOW WE CAN MAYBE BITE THE APPLE OFF, YOU KNOW, UM, SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S NOT TOO CUMBERSOME FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY ONE PERSON, BUT WE CAN ALL MAYBE TAKE A PIECE, THEN COME BACK TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, GIVE OURSELVES MAYBE A MONTH OR SO, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST BY THE TIME WE MEET AGAIN, WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION TOO. WE NEVER REALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE FORMALLY ESTABLISH A BATTLE RHYTHM FOR THE REFUND COMMITTEE. I MEAN, I KNOW WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT LAST MONTH IN TERMS OF, HEY, LET'S AGREE ON A DATE AND TIME FOR OUR REFORMED COMMITTEE MEETING. DO WE WANT TO DO IT MONTHLY? AND IF WE DO IT MONTHLY, DO WE WANT TO DO IT ON A PARTICULAR DAY MONDAY'S PERSON, MONDAYS SECOND MONDAYS, WHATEVER CASE WERE DONE OVER THE LAST TIME WE DID IT ON MONDAY. SO I THINK MAYBE WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL AGREE. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW SOME OF US ARE PROBABLY ON OTHER COMMITTEES TOO. RIGHT. SO I DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND AND WE'RE HAVING TO GO TO A MEETING. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, BUT WHAT TO SEE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, UH, AMENABLE TO YOU ALL IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, UH, THE FREQUENCY OF OUR REFORM COMMITTEE. AND THEN WHAT DAY DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT ON IN TIME? UM, MAYBE LET'S DO THAT. I KINDA WENT OUT OR MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN TABLE THAT TO THE END. LET'S DO THAT. I'M SORRY. LET'S TABLE THAT TO THE END. WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THE WANT TO HAVE OUR MEETINGS. LET'S DO THAT THEN. UM, BUT LET'S GO BACK. SO I'M GONNA GO TAKE IT BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE DIVIDING AND CONQUERING AND HOW WE SHOULD ATTACK THE, THESE DOCUMENTS. UM, SO THOSE WERE THE SMART THOUGHTS. I'LL KINDA OPEN IT UP TO GET, UH, SOME OF YOU ALL THOUGHTS ON HOW WE SHOULD TACKLE THIS. THEY DID SUMMARIZE, UM, IT'S LIKE PAGE 74 AND 75 OF THESE DOCUMENTS. THEY DID SUMMARIZE THE TYPE OF CONTROL OR USED AND BY DEMOGRAPHICS AND IN ALL HONESTY, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE TO ME THAT'S OUTWARDLY [00:15:01] CONCERNING. IT'S REALLY VERY EVEN. UM, AND I THINK IT'S, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT EVEN TO POPULATION OR NOT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION OF THE CITY IS 74% WHITE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE THOSE USE OF FORCE REALLY REFLECTIVE OF THAT 74 16 TYPE OF STATISTIC WE NORMALLY SEE. UM, BUT IT'S THE MOST USED WAS AN ESCORT POSITION. AND IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, AGE IS PRETTY ACROSS THE BOARD RACES, YOU KNOW, 13% AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR 13 AFRICAN-AMERICAN, 13 WHITE AND 18 MALES, EIGHT WOMEN. SO I DON'T KNOW IN THAT AREA, IF WE WANT TO MAYBE LOOK MORE AT THE TRAINING AND PROCEDURE, THEIR POLICIES. GOTCHA. AND THAT'S THE THING. YEAH. LET'S LOOK THROUGH IT. AND IF THERE'S NO GLARING ISSUE OR PROBLEM, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN FINE, RIGHT. AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE'LL LOOK THROUGH IT AND SAY, IS THERE ANY CONCERNS THERE OR NOT, UH, IN THAT AREA, IN THOSE AREAS, UM, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF TREATMENT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, GROUPS, RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S NOT, THEN THAT'S OBVIOUS, IT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT. WE WANT TO, IT'S ALL ABOUT EVERYTHING THE DAY, RIGHT. IS EVERYONE, OR IS EVERYONE BEING TREATED AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS EVERYONE BEING TREATED EQUALLY FAIRLY, IF YOU WILL, UM, IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE. SO, UM, COOL. OTHER THOUGHTS. WELL, WHAT DO WE, UM, SO ERIC LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS, CAUSE I MEAN, IT'S A LOT OF PAGES AND A LOT OF POLICIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, SO I'M THANKFUL, YOU KNOW, THAT ROB WAS ABLE TO GET THAT STUFF PULLED TOGETHER FOR US. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK IT'LL AT LEAST ALLOW US TO GO IN A GOOD DIRECTION, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THESE AND PRIORITIZE THEM TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST THING TO GO AFTER FIRST TO REALLY DO IT DEEP DIVE INTO, OR IS IT MORE OF YOUR VISION TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S DIVIDE UP ALL OF THESE AND DIG INTO THEM AS WELL. I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, IF, IF WE TAKE A, IF WE LOOK AT SAY THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, SO THEN ALL FOUR OF US ARE LOOKING AT THIS USE OF FORCE POLICY. WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT STATISTICS. WE'RE ALL GONNA COME UP WITH, IN MY OPINION, FOUR VIEWS AND FOUR DIFFERENT ANGLES, WHICH I THINK IS BEST BECAUSE AS I LOOK THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS AND STUFF, AND I CAN SEE, OKAY, HEY, YEAH, THEY WENT, YOU KNOW, TO, I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE ONE BOARD, C E L A OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR WHATEVER. THEY'RE QUICK TO QUOTE THAT A LOT TO SAY, WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS STANDARD. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YOU'RE FOLLOWING THAT STANDARD. BUT DOES THAT STANDARD REALLY WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY? BECAUSE IF YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU LOOK, A LOT OF THOSE POLICIES, THEY'RE QUOTING IT THAT YEAH. WE FOLLOWED THIS ASSOCIATION. YES. WE GOT THIS CERTIFICATION. YES, WE GOT THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE A DEEP DIVE CAUSE IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF, OKAY. DO THEY HAVE A USE OF FORCE POLICY? OKAY. YEAH. THEY HAVE A USE OF FORCE POLICY, BUT IS THAT POLICY REALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENS OF HUBER HEIGHTS? YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT. UM, UH, SO WHETHER WE, WE ALL FOCUS IN, ON JUST LOOKING AT THE USE OF FORCE POLICY AND THEN PUTTING THE OTHER ONES OFF, UH, OR IT MAY DO IT SOMEWHAT IN SEQUENTIAL ORDER. I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A, OR MAYBE WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING. CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE ARE, I MEAN, WHETHER AT LEAST A HUNDRED POLICIES ARE WE REALLY, WE REALLY HAVE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE THE USE OF FORCE, YOU HAVE THE, UH, TRAINING, UM, THEN YOU HAVE, I GUESS, DISCIPLINE DISCIPLINARY ACTION. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I, SO OBVIOUSLY I WANTED, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, RIGHT. THAT WE SHOULD SPEND SOME TIME DELVING INTO THAT. AND AT LEAST UNDERSTANDING IT, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, I LIKE TO, IF WE COULD, AS WE LOOK THROUGH IT, MAYBE SOMEWHAT SUMMARIZE AND COME TO SOME SUMMARY CONCLUSION OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE FOUND. RIGHT. AND LOOK AT THE STATS, AT LEAST LOOKING AT WHAT THEY PROVIDED TO US OVER THE LAST THREE, THREE YEARS OR SO, YOU [00:20:01] KNOW, THERE'S DRAW SOME CONCLUSIONS OVERALL CONCLUSIONS FROM, FROM WHAT WE SAW IN THE DATA. I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. UM, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED, CAUSE WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TO THE, TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, RIGHT. SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE USE OF FORCE POLICY AND HERE'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, MAYBE SUMMARIZE THE STATS, RIGHT. SUMMARIZE THE STATISTICS AS BEST WE CAN IN SOME FORM OR SOME FASHION. AND UM, AND THEN WRITE, DRAW OUT ANY CONCLUSIONS IN TERMS OF ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES OR, OR WE MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS APPEARS TO BE REASONABLE AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW RIGHT. AT THIS POINT. YEAH. I THINK UNTIL WE DIG INTO IT, BECAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW AN ISSUE OR NOT AN ISSUE, WHAT A CONCERN OF OURS IS A HIRING PRACTICES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IMPORTANT. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT MY THOUGHT ON IT IS ALL THESE TOPICS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT WE GOT TO PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES WE WANT TO GO AFTER AND BE, AND TRY TO BE EFFECTIVE AT GOING AFTER AND ATTACKING THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. SO THEY, OKAY. YEAH. LET'S ATTACK IT. LET'S PUT SOMETHING, HOPEFULLY TRY TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IT'LL MAINTAIN ITSELF AND CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE AND THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WE COULD TAKE A SHOTGUN APPROACH AND OKAY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1520 THINGS, BUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPREAD SO THIN THAT YOU REALLY DON'T GET A CHANCE TO MAKE ANY PROGRESS. WHEREAS MAYBE IF WE DO A ZERO END KIND OF FOCUS APPROACH, MAYBE WE CAN START KNOCKING SOME THINGS OFF COLLECTIVELY AND YOU KNOW, BEING TO MAKE SOME GROUNDS. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND. UM, THAT'S FINE. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WELL, IN GENERAL, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE, WELL, JUST THINKING OF THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, I, AND MOST OF THE POLICIES IN GENERAL, UM, I GUESS MY OVERALL OVERALL CONCERN IS ARE, IS WHAT'S THE BASIC, I GUESS, LEGALITY FOR THEM TO INCLUDE SPECIFIC POLICIES AND, UH, UM, SPECIFIC ACTIONS WITHIN THE POLICY ITSELF. AND WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED TO RECOMMEND OFF OF, RIGHT. BECAUSE SOME OF THE USE OF, FOR MOST OF THE USE OF FORCE POLICY DERIVES FROM, UH, A STATE POLICY OR SUPERCREAM SUPREME COURT POLICY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE PROTECTED ON A CIVILIAN STANDPOINT TO MAKE SURE THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE ALSO PROTECTED AND UNDERSTAND THAT, THOSE GUIDELINES. SO I'M CURIOUS ON, I'M JUST CURIOUS ON WHAT EXACTLY CAN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON OR IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT WE JUST HAVE NO, YOU KNOW, NO POWER OR AUTHORITY TO, TO, TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASED IN LAW. SO I READ THROUGH THE READING THROUGH YOUR SUPPORT POLICY. UM, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD POLICY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BAD POLICY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THINGS EXTRA INSIDE OF THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE HUBER HEIGHTS A BETTER CITY TO, TO ENFORCE THOSE POLICIES OR WORSE. SO I GUESS FOR ME JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY WHERE'S THAT WHERE'S THAT INFORMATION COMING FROM AND HOW IS IT, I GUESS, HOW DOES, HOW DOES, HOW OFTEN IS IT UPDATED? AND THEN WHO'S, WHO'S THAT TEAM THAT, YOU KNOW, GOES THROUGH AND UPDATES THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ON THE BACKGROUND ON WHERE THE INFORMATION IS COMING FROM AND HOW THEY, HOW THEY GET, GET IT APPROVED THAT WAY I'M CAN AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE AFFECT CHANGE TO, OR IF WE CAN EVEN AFFECT CHANGE AT ALL? I OBVIOUSLY, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I GUESS THE WHOLE LEGALITY, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I'M NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE WORKING START WITH THAT QUESTION. UM, BUT, BUT I DO KNOW THERE ARE LEGAL BENCHMARKS THAT, YOU KNOW, CITIES AND DEPARTMENTS USE TO HELP FORM THE SUPPORT POLICY. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS. AND, BUT I AGREE WITH ERIC ON, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON A SPECIFIC AREA VERSUS TACKLING ALL AT ONCE. THAT WAY WE CAN GET DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND, AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, GET INTO THE WEEDS AND DECIPHER WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IF WE, IF WE NEED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M THINKING. I'M JUST HERE JUST TAKING IT ALL IN AND GETTING EVERYBODY SOME PERSPECTIVE. SO YEAH, NO, THAT'S GOOD. YOU KNOW, CAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU BUY A LOT OF THESE POLICIES THAT THEY HAVE ARE, UM, I ASSUME THEY, THEY ARE DERIVED [00:25:01] FROM, I MEAN THERE'S PROBABLY S STANDARDS, RIGHT. THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET WITHIN THE STATE OF OHIO. RIGHT. AND THESE ARE POLICIES THAT COME FROM ON HIGH, BETTER THAT ARE, UM, BETTER NOW. LIKE I'M NOT LIKE I SHOULDN'T SAY TRICKLE DOWN, BUT I GUESS THEY, THE CERTAIN STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS AND POLICIES THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO, THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW RIGHT AT THE STATE LEVEL AND EVEN BEYOND. RIGHT. AND SO, AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY NONE OF US ARE POLICE OFFICERS. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND UH, RIGHT. NOT LAWYERS. SO, UH, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS I SEE FROM A COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT. IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, RIGHT. THAT WE HAVE INSIGHT INTO, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY DO HAVE INVEST. LIKE I WAS READING, I TOOK SOME NOTES. I WAS READING, I'M NOT SURE WHICH POLICY I WAS READING. IT HAD MAYBE IT WAS ON THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ONE. AND UM, AND IT TALKED ABOUT LIKE INTERNAL, UM, INVESTIGATIONS. RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT, WHAT DID IT SAY THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO BEFORE A GRAND JURY, BUT IF IT DOESN'T GO BEFORE A GRAND JURY, IT'S UP TO THE, I THINK THE POLICE CHIEF TO DO AN IN BIRTH CONTROL INVESTIGATION. RIGHT. AND SO, AND THEN HE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKES A DETERMINATION BASED ON WHATEVER COMPLAINTS. SO THEY'RE JUST SAYING THERE'S OFFICERS, THERE'S AN OFFICER'S OFFICER COMPLAINT OR HE DID BE COMMITTED SOME SORT OF ALLEGED VIOLATION. THEN IT GOES THROUGH SOME SORT OF, SOME SORT OF INTERNAL REVIEW RIGHT. WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO MY THINKING IS, WELL, I ASSUME IT MAY BE, IT'S JUST THE POLICE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE POLICE CHIEF AND MAYBE A GROUP OF A PANEL OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT REVIEW THE INFORMATION, THE FACTS AND MAKE A CALL. WELL, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR CITIZENS LIKE THE COMMISSION BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS AND REVIEW? NO, WE DON'T MAKE ANY DETERMINATION. RIGHT. BUT CAN WE AT LEAST REVIEW THE INFORMATION AND INSIGHT INTO WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND YOU KNOW, JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY PERSPECTIVE, JUST DISPARATE TRANSPARENCY SAYING, CAN WE AT LEAST SEE THE REVIEW? AND THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW BEFORE THEY MAKE THE DETERMINATION, AT LEAST WE'VE SEEN IT, OR MAYBE WE EVEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A COMMENT OR A SUGGESTION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. RIGHT. AT LEAST HAVE AGAIN INSIGHT JUST TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, IT'S THE, IT'S JUST BEING TRANSPARENT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEY DONE THE INVESTIGATION PROPERLY AND IN GOOD ORDER. AND IF THE FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, ARE LEGIT, I GUESS IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IT WAS, UM, IN THAT NAACP, UM, EIGHT POINT, UM, I FORGOT, I GAVE YOU THINK OF THE NEW EIGHT POINT REQUESTS THAT THEY HAD OF ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY. THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WAS ON THERE WAS TO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT HAD SUBPOENA POWER. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONCE WE GET DOWN TO, WE TALK ABOUT THE NAACP PIECE ON OUR AGENDA. UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT SUBPOENA POWER IN OUR COMMISSION AS WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR, BECAUSE IN THE RESPONSE THAT ROB MADE AND THE CITY MADE BACK TO THE NAACP, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE COMMISSION IN RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, BUT WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. DO WE HAVE SUBPOENA POWER, WHICH IS WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR FROM THE NAACP TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT PIECE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. CAUSE I THINK AS DEFINED, YOU TALKED ABOUT DAYTON'S CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD, I THINK MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT OUR LAST MEETING, BUT THE MEETING BEFORE AND I GOT ON THEIR WEBSITE AND LOOKED AT HOW THEIR, UM, THEIR COMMISSION WAS BROKEN UP AND I'M NOT REAL PLEASED WITH HOW IT IS, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE AN EX POLICE OFFICER THAT'S ON THERE. RIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S, UH, UH, EX ATTORNEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I'M LIKE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A COLLECTION OF CITIZENS TO ME. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAIR THAT IS, BUT, BUT THAT'S MAYBE TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONNAIRE. THAT IS THAT FIRST ITEM. YEAH. GOTCHA. BUT THAT'S THE THING I THINK WOULD BE THE HELPFUL, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WOULD BE A VALUE, RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT BUILDS SOME CONFIDENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE POLICE COMMUNITY IN THE, IN THE CIVILIAN COMMUNITY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THAT THERE'S TRANSPARENCY AND THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOVE BOARD, NOT TO SAY THAT IT ISN'T RIGHT, BUT IT'S ABOUT BUILDING TRUST. RIGHT. IT'S ABOUT BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, BULLYING THE LINK UP, UM, [00:30:01] SORRY BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITIZENS THAT IT SERVES. RIGHT. AND SO, BUT YEAH, BUT BACK TO YOUR POINT AS DIVINE. YEAH. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN AFFECT. OBVIOUSLY. I THINK THERE'S LIKE THE NAACP, RIGHT. THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON. RIGHT. SO, UM, SO I ASSUME THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO HEAR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN THEY'LL RIGHT. ULTIMATELY IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THEM TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN, UH, INCORPORATE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, BUT I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO, TO, TO MAKE SOUND RECOMMENDATIONS. RIGHT. THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT. UM, AND, AND GO FORWARD. UH, WE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ANSWER THOUGH TO NUMBER ONE FOR THE ANSWER THAT THEY SENT BACK AND SUPPORT SAYS THE HEBREW HEIGHTS POLICE DIVISION HAS AN EXTENSIVE AND VERY COMPREHENSIVE COMPLAINT AND INVESTIGATION PROCEDURE. THE PROCESSES ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OHIO COLLABORATIVE AND THE C A L EA STANDARDS FOR BEST PRACTICE. THE HIDES POLICE DIVISION INVESTIGATES, ALL COMPLAINTS, BOTH FORMALLY AND INFORMALLY AT THE END OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR, THE ADMINISTRATIVE LIEUTENANT COMPILES, UM, AN ANNUAL STATISTICS SUMMARY OF ALL THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND AGENCY EMPLOYEES. THERE'S NO MENTION OF US AS PART OF THAT CITIZENS' REVIEW BOARD. AND I FELT THAT THAT WAS VERY MUCH OUR ROLE WHEN THIS WAS, UM, PUT OUT WAS THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TO BE TASKED WITH. SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY, UM, PRESSING QUESTION BECAUSE IF THE ANSWER TO NUMBER ONE AND, OR IMPLEMENT A CITIZENS' REVIEW BOARD DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. YEAH. I SORT OF QUICKLY APPROVED, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT IT RIGHT. THE EIGHT POINTS THAT AT THE NAACP I'LL PUT FORTH, AND THEN I SAW THE RESPONSE. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. IN SOME, IN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY DIDN'T FULLY ADDRESS WHAT THE NAACP WAS LOOKING FOR. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO FOLLOW, OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH ROB AND COMPANY TO ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE OR, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO, UH, FULLY COMPLY WITH WHAT'S BEING ASKED RIGHT. AT SCHOOL, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. UM, BUT YEAH, SO, SO I'M GOOD WITH, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS OUT THERE. HOW DO WE WANT TO BEST TACKLE THIS? RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS. UM, I MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS. UM, OBVIOUSLY AT SOME POINT WE GOTTA REVIEW IT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN COME BACK WITH, AGAIN, OUR QUESTIONS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IF WE WANT TO, SO MAYBE WHAT WE DO THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, BACK TO YOUR POINT, ERIC, THAT IS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN START WITH REVIEWING THE USE OF FORCE. WE ALL REVIEW THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, MAYBE ALONG WITH THE STATISTICS THAT ARE AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE TAIL END OF THE DOCUMENT BY MAYBE WE SPEND SOME TIME REVIEWING THAT. AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO THEN IS WHEN WE, UH, RECONVENE, UH, WE CAN COME BACK WITH OUR, I GUESS, OUR OWN ASSESSMENT OF, UH, OR OBSERVATIONS OF WHAT WE SAW IN THE DOCUMENT, WHAT QUESTIONS WE HAVE, WHAT CONCERNS, UH, AND TO EVEN INCLUDE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE AT THAT TIME. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE AGAIN, REVIEW THE USE OF FORCE PIECE AND THEN LOOK AT SOME OF THE STUFF ON THE STATISTICS AND THEN, UH, REVIEW THAT AND COME BACK WITH, UH, WITH WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE FOUND NOW, ERIC, IF I COULD SUGGEST TO THE GROUP, IF WE LOOK AT THE, SO IF WE LOOK AT THE EIGHT POINTS THAT THE NAACP PUT TOGETHER, MAYBE WE COULD GO IN THIS, LOOK AT THIS, IN THIS ORDER. SO THE FIRST THING IS TO TALK ABOUT, UH, SO STRATEGY ONE WAS TO EMPOWER THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD. SO TO MEET OUT WITH ANSWER, THAT QUESTION IS LET'S LOOK TO MAKE SURE ARE WE INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS? HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF THAT? UH, THE SECOND THING IS THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE DISCIPLINARY RECORDS. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WOULD BE DISCHARGING A WEAPON, A USE OF FORCE. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE AS, COULD WE FOLLOW THE STRATEGIES [00:35:01] THAT ARE HERE AND AS A GROUP ATTACK THOSE ONE BY ONE. OKAY. OKAY. YOU WANT TO FOCUS? YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE FOCUS ON THE 8.0, CORRECT. AND ACTUALLY HUBER, HUBER PUT TOGETHER SAID THEY HAD A NINE POINT. SO WE COULD ACTUALLY GO OFF OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK ROB ADDED THAT LAST ONE, WHICH HE SENT US A COPY OF THAT BIAS BASED SERVICE. RIGHT. WHICH I THINK IS HIS NINTH POINT. OKAY. BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS WE COULD JUST TACKLE THOSE ONE THROUGH NINE AND JUST WORK THOSE DOWN AS A GROUP. OKAY. WELL, LET'S, UM, I KNOW THAT WAS UP THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT. WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE POINT PLAN. SO, UM, OKAY. WELL, OKAY. LET'S SO LET'S, SO THEN LET'S WE'LL TABLE, THEN THE DISCUSSION ON THE DATA THAT WE SEE. RIGHT. AND SO LET'S MAYBE WALK THROUGH IT, MAYBE ONE BITE, YOU KNOW, WALK THEM. SO I'LL WALK THROUGH EACH ITEM. AND, UM, AND I GUESS WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS AS WE WALK THROUGH EACH SIDE, I'M KINDA DECIDE ON KIND OF WHAT ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN RIGHT. FOR EACH ONE OF THESE OR WHAT QUESTIONS WE HAVE AS RELATES TO EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS. UM, SO, SO, RIGHT. SO WE WERE SPEAKING, UH, INTO, WHEN DID, LET ME SEE, WHEN DID HE SEND THIS? SO THE LETTER, SO THE LETTER THAT THE NAACP SENT OUT WAS IN JUNE, RIGHT. JUNE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OF THE RESPONSE, LET ME SEE. THAT COULD BE WHY WE WEREN'T INCLUDED. RIGHT. BECAUSE RIGHT. WE DIDN'T FORM UNTIL THAT CAPACITY. SO MAYBE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS AN UPDATE TO THEIR EIGHT POINT PLAN. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DIDN'T THINK THIS, THIS WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR COMMISSION CAME AFTERWARDS. UM, BUT WHEN DID HE SEND THE JUNE 16TH. 16TH. OKAY, SURE. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. AND, UM, OKAY, SO THAT FIRST, SO THAT FIRST POINT WAS TO MODIFY IMPLEMENTED CITIZENS' REVIEW BOARD AND POWER SUBPOENA POWERS TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CONCERNING MISCONDUCT BY THE POLICE OFFICERS FOR NEWBORNS SHOULD BE A DIVERSE, INDEPENDENT AGENCY ELECTED BY THE SYSTEM OF THE COMMUNITY, THROUGH AN EDITORIAL PROCESS, SUCH AS PRECINCT CAPTAINS, AND WILL CONDUCT PARALLEL INVESTIGATIONS TO BE CONSIDERED ALONGSIDE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. GOT IT. UM, SORRY. SO, SO THE ASK HERE IS WHAT TO DO A FOLLOW-UP WITH, UH, WITH ROB ON THE INCLUSION OF THE COMMISSION AS A, AS A PART OF THAT IS A REVIEW BOARD TO INVESTIGATE, UH, COMPLAINTS, OR AT LEAST HAVE, UH, THESE HAVE THEM MAYBE DEFINE THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH US BEING A PART OF IT. IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT WHAT THE ASK IS? YEAH. THE ASK IS, IS THAT, SO YOU LOOK AT DAYTON'S PLAN IS TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SUBPOENA POWER TO BE ABLE TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, BY RESIDENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE CITY'S RESPONSE AS TO THE HUBER HEIGHTS, CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE COMMISSION, THOSE DETAILS THERE. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ASK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. YEAH. SO YEAH, JUST SAYING YOU DON'T SEE THE PART WHERE WE GET INCLUDED OR AT LEAST THE CITIZENS' REVIEW BOARD PIECE IS NOT, UH, IS NOT INCLUDED YET. THEY SPEAK TO WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY FOLLOW IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT IS IT, THE K WITH A CA LEA THEY WERE FOLLOWING THOSE BEST PRACTICES OR WHATEVER. UM, YEAH, I GUESS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF INTERNAL PROCESS THAT THEY USE. UM, BUT YEAH, THEY DON'T INCLUDE THAT IF YOU GO DOWN, I THINK IT'S PAGE 33 OF THAT DOCUMENT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE GENERAL RESPONSE [00:40:01] TO THE QUESTION FROM, UM, THE NAACP, IT TALKS ABOUT THE HUBER HEIGHTS CULTURE AND DIVISION ACTION COMMISSION, BUT THERE IS NO MENTION ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWERS TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE BEING MADE. THAT VERBIAGE IS NOT THERE. GOT IT. YEP. AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN WE HAD OUR INITIAL MEETING THAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, A MEANS BY WHICH, UM, CITIZENS CAN MAKE COMPLAINTS AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT, UH, OR BE INVOLVED IN YEAH. AND REVIEW OF THOSE COMPLAINTS. SO I THINK, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO SEE IS, UH, A PROCESS WIDE PLAN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS TO HOW THEY WOULD, OR PARTIES FROM THE, I'M NOT SURE TO START WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT STARTS AT A HIGHER LEVEL. RIGHT. BUT, UH, THESE, THE CITY, UH, DEFINE THAT PROCESS BY WHICH W YOU KNOW, WERE INCORPORATED IN THE, UH, REVIEW AND POTENTIALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, WHAT WAS IT THAT SAID ABOUT THE SUBPOENA POWER? UH, YEAH. SO YOU ADD THIS TO GET, WE NEED TO READ, TO SEE, SEE, UH, SEE THAT WE SEE A PLANET. BACHELORS ARE OUR ROLE IN THAT PROCESS JUST SO THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO HELP ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. YEAH. RIGHT. SO, OKAY. THAT'S THAT? UM, ALL RIGHT. SO YOU, YOU, YOU HAD THAT CAPSULE RIGHT THERE. UM, CAUSE AGAIN, I WANT TO, JUST, AS WE LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE, MAYBE WE'LL PUT TOGETHER FORM OUR, OUR QUESTION OR OUR ACTION, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE TO, UM, TO ROBYN COMPANY TO GO, GO AND ADDRESS FOR US. UM, SO THAT NEXT ONE IS WHAT THAT TAB, WHAT IS IT? SO CREATING MORE TRENDS AND PROCESS AROUND THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF OFFICERS WHO VIOLATE CITIZENS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, CANONS OF POLICE AT THE EX DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES BY MAKING THEM, MAKING THEIR NAMES AND DISCIPLINARY RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. SO DID, HOW DID THEY ADDRESS THAT C UH, SO THEY SAY HERE, OKAY. SO COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. OKAY. SO PERSONS WHO ARE LAWFULLY OR IMPOSED AS ARE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BE PRESENT. OKAY. I'M JUST, I'M SORRY. I'M JUST PERUSING IT. INTERNAL AFFAIRS FUNCTION ENSURES THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE POLICE DIVISION HAS MAINTAINED. ALL OF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE INVESTIGATED. OKAY. ANNUAL REPORT IS PREPARED, SUMMARIZING THE TRUCK AND POINT. SO I DON'T THINK THEY HAD REALLY ADDRESSED THE PART ABOUT THE, UM, OH, I'M SORRY. I WISH I HAD PRINTED THIS FIRST PIECE OUT. SO MAKING THEIR NAME, MAKING THEIR NAMES AND DISCIPLINARY RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR RESPONSE, SO THEY MAKE A REPORT AVAILABLE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE REALLY COMMITTED TO PROVIDING NAMES AND DISCIPLINARY RECORDS IS THAT I SEE THAT THE SAME WAY. THAT'S A PIECE THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY ADDRESSING, TALKING TO MY DAMN SELF. UM, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THAT OTHER FILE, UM, THAT ONE INTO DEPTH ON THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS, IT JUST SAID IF THEY WERE SUBSTANTIATED OR IF THEY WERE ON SUBSTANTIATED AND THE TYPE OF CLAIMS. SO ALTHOUGH IT DOES SAY THAT THE FACT REPORT WILL SAY THERE WAS NO DETAILS ON THE HOOP. THERE WAS JUST THE, WHAT THEY DID AND IF THE INVESTIGATION WAS SUBSTANTIATED OR NOT. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE TRANSPARENCY TO GO DOWN TO THE LIKE ACTUAL PERSON AND THEIR FILE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO, AT LEAST, ESPECIALLY AS IT, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, [00:45:01] RIGHT. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW IF AN OFFICER, RIGHT. IF HE HAS A TRACK RECORD OF COMPLIANCE, RIGHT. ESPECIALLY IF THIS GUY IS LOOKING AT MOVING TO ANOTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT OR, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S BEING SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SCREENED. UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT KINDA DID STICK OUT TO ME THAT ONE OF THE SUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS INVOLVED THE VERBIAGE OF NOT YOUR FIRST TIME OR A SERIES OF COMPLAINTS. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES I THINK WE WOULD BE MAYBE REQUESTING MORE INFORMATION ON. AND THEN IF YOU LIKE, LOOK AT THE, THE PROCLAMATION FOR US IS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE BIASED TYPE COMPLAINTS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE INTENTION WAS FOR US TO BE OVERREACHING ON ALL TYPE OF COMPLAINTS VERSUS JUST THOSE THAT MAY BE BIASED COMPLAINT. YES. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT CAUSE I KNOW WHERE THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, RIGHT. IT SHOULDN'T ARE WE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT ALL COMPLAINTS OR LOOKING AT JUST THOSE THAT AFFECT MINORITIES? RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. UH, I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S AN OVERALL, I THINK IT'S AN OVERALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE TO DECIDE WHAT IS A BIASED BASED EVENT OR NOT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY I WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYONE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CALL COULD BE ABOUT, IT COULD TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT IT WAS NEVER, YOU KNOW, UM, CALLED IN THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S A LENS, ALL TYPE OF COMPLAINTS COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT LENS. AND I THINK THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO ENSURE THAT FAIR POLICING IS BEING FOR ALL RIGHT. BUT I GUESS IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT ALL COMPLAINTS, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO COMPARE IT. YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS BIAS BEING ADDED, RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK RIGHT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH CASE AND SEE HOW THEY WERE TREATED. RIGHT. AND LOOK AT THE COMPLAINT, SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESULT WAS, UH, FOR ALL RIGHT. IT'S I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MALL, UM, RIGHT. TO, TO SEE ANY TRENDS OR DIFFERENCES OF WHAT HAPPENED. RIGHT. UM, SO I THINK, YES, I THINK MAYBE AS A PART OF THAT ITEM NUMBER, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO IS RIGHT. WE JUST, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE INSIGHT INTO, UH, THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO, UH, COMMIT CERTAIN OFFENSES. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THEIR RECORDS, RIGHT. UH, THE NAMES AND RECORDS, UH, WHEN, WHAT DISCIPLINARY ACTION WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN. RIGHT. I THINK WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IS, UH, YEAH. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY ADDRESSED THAT UNDER ITEM NUMBER TWO. RIGHT. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY, HAVE A PROCESS THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT. FOR, YOU KNOW, TAKING DISCIPLINARY ACTION, BUT IN TERMS OF JUST MAKING THAT PUBLIC, MAKING, MAKING US, UH, AT LEAST GIVING US THE INSIDER YOU HAVE, RIGHT. TO HANDLING THE INSIDE OF THE VEHICLE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THOSE RECORDS ARE. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS ADDRESSED. SO MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, WE JUST NEED TO POKE AT THAT A LITTLE BIT, SEE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT OR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. I THINK ONCE WE, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS MAYBE KIND OF GETTING TOWARDS IS THAT IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH. BUT MAYBE ONCE WE DIG INTO THE POLICIES THAT HE'S ASSOCIATED, WHICH EACH ONE OF THESE STRATEGIES, ONCE WE READ THROUGH THOSE, THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER ANSWER BECAUSE WHAT THEY'VE KIND OF DONE IS SUMMARIZED, THIS IS OUR RESPONSE TO THIS STRATEGY AND HE'S ATTACHED TO THE DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT APPLY TO THAT STRATEGY. SO I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THIS SOME FAIR JUSTICE. I THINK WE NEED TO READ THROUGH THOSE POLICIES THAT ARE APPLYING TO THAT PARTICULAR STRATEGY. THEREFORE, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, EITHER A, YOU KNOW, ROB, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS OR [00:50:01] THIS TERMINOLOGY? LIKE WE SAID, HEY, WE'RE NOT POLICE, WE'RE NOT LAWYERS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? NOT THAT, BUT HELP BREAK THIS DOWN TO ME SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND IT IN MY OWN MIND ONE, AND THEN TWO, THEN I THINK WE COULD APPROACH SOME THINGS LIKE, WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS IS KIND OF QUITE GETTING TO THE POINT OF THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE THING THAT WE NEED. SO THAT'S KINDA MY THOUGHT ON IT IS IF, IF ALL FOUR OF US GO DOWN THIS STRATEGY RIGHT HERE, WE GOT EIGHT THINGS TO DO. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOO OVERWHELMING, BUT THEN THOSE POLICIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, LET'S START THERE. AND THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET BACK TOGETHER AND SAY, HEY, THESE WERE THE QUESTIONS THAT I CAME UP WITH BECAUSE WE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF EACH OTHER'S QUESTIONS. THAT'S GOOD, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF ALL FOUR OF US COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T THINK THAT POLICY IS VERY TRANSPARENT. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I AM, UH, I'M, I'M OPEN TO, UH, TO, UH, YEAH. TO, TO ATTACK IT THAT WAY. UM, I MEAN, RIGHT. JUST WANT TO FIGURE IT OUT, FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO, TO, UH, TO TACKLE THIS. SO, SO WE COULD, SO IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. WE COULD, BY HAVING EVERYONE AT THIS POINT, JUST RIGHT, WE DO THE EIGHT QUESTIONS, RIGHT. YOU LOOK AT THE POLICIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, THEN COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'LL COME BACK WITH OUR, UH, COLLECT QUESTIONS. UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD SUBMIT THOSE TO, TO ROCK, UH, TO GET THOSE ANSWERED, CORRECT. YOU KNOW, OR EITHER GET HIM A PART OF THIS GROUP AND SAY, HEY ROB, CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS AND STUFF, THEREFORE, THAT KIND OF HELPED POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF WHAT WE FEEL OUR NEXT STEP SHOULD BE. IS THAT SOMETHING ROB CAN HELP US WITH? DO WE NEED TO WRITE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL OR YOU DON'T SAY, WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PRESENT BACK TO OUR WHOLE GROUP, CAUSE WE'RE JUST A COMMITTEE, BUT BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, COULD HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET BUY-IN FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE NEED TO GET THAT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. OKAY. GOT IT. OTHER THOUGHTS? YEAH. I AGREE WITH THAT. IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A SOLID GAME PLAN AND THEN EVENTUALLY IT CAN, IT CAN COME DOWN TO RECOMMENDATIONS OF FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS JUST BASED OFF OF OUR REVIEW, UH, TOUCHING BASE WITH ROB AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEN PRESENTING THE FINDINGS AND ULTIMATELY LISA, I MEAN, BY THE END OF THAT PROCESS, WE SHOULD HAVE PRETTY SOLID, UH, FACT FINDINGS FROM, FROM IT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY THESE ARE, THIS IS WHERE WE BELIEVE IT'S LACKING AND DISARM RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP IMPROVE THE, UH, THE 8.9 POINT, UM, PROCESS THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED BY AA NAACP. SO I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE IDEA IT'S, IT'S IT GETS, UH, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD. WE WERE HAVING A DOCUMENT TO, AND, UH, UH, ALLOWS US TO REVIEW THE POLICY ON THEM, OPENING OPEN, OPEN PROCESS, I SUPPOSE. OKAY. UM, BUT YOU TARA, I COMPLETELY AGREE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT, UH, WE CAN JUST DO A, A SUMMARY OF THE FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THESE POLICIES FOR NUMBER ONE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT UPDATED, THAT WERE INCLUDED AS THE REVIEW BOARD. UM, AND THEN IF WE COULD JUST POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, ANY AREAS OF DEFICIENCIES OR AREAS, WE HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT A LOT, LIKE JUST GLANCING THROUGH SOME OF THIS, I'VE COME UP WITH A COUPLE AS WE'VE JUST BEEN SITTING HERE. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GO ABOUT THINGS, ERIC, HONESTLY. OKAY. YEAH. AND I DON'T HAVE A PRODUCT THAT YOU MENTIONED THERE. WE COULD, IF WE WANT TO, AS WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE REVIEW THESE EIGHT POINTS AND LOOK AT THE POLICIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND GATHER OUR FINDINGS AND QUESTIONS, UM, I MEAN THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO IS MAYBE BY THE NEXT MEETING, NOT MEETING, WE, WE INVITE, YOU KNOW, UH, ROB TO PARTICIPATE AND THEN WE GET, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ASK HIM QUESTIONS. CAUSE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE QUESTION CAN LEAD TO MORE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? CLARIFICATION, CLARIFY SOME THINGS FOR US. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME THEY BE BETTER THAN JUST STILL SUBMIT THE QUESTIONS. YOU CAN GIVE US SOMETHING BACK AND WRITE IT AS THE TIME VERSUS WE CAN BE MAYBE MORE PRODUCTIVE JUST TO THE CONVERSATION AND GATHERING, GATHERING [00:55:01] THE, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. SO, UM, SO WE COULD DO THAT AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING NEXT MONTH, WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A HEADS UP, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL KNOW, HEY, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE OR HAVE FOR YOU. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THIS EIGHT, TO THIS EIGHT POINT PLAN. UM, AND THEN HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE HIM PRESENT IN TO WALK US THROUGH RIGHT. WHAT THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT WITH HIM, LIKE JANUARY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOVEMBER, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD GET TOGETHER OURSELVES AND INTERNALLY CALIBRATE OURSELVES. RIGHT. GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, GO THROUGH ALL THOSE NINE POINTS OURSELVES, GET A GOOD, FEEL, GOOD, A GOOD COMFORTABLE LIST TOGETHER. THEREFORE WE COULD PROVIDE THAT BACK TO ROBIN AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, HERE'S OUR QUESTIONS OF CONCERNS OUT OF OUR DECEMBER MEETING. AND CAN YOU SHOW UP IN JANUARY? YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TO DISCUSS. YEAH, NO THAT'S REASONABLE. YEP. NO, THAT'S GOOD. YEP. YEP. THAT'S FINE. YEP. WE CAN, WE'LL DEFINITELY DO IT THAT WAY. SO YEAH. WE'LL UH, UH, WE LIKE SAY, YEAH, WE WILL, UH, UM, WALK THROUGH THESE POINTS OURSELVES, COME TOGETHER DURING THAT DECEMBER MEETING, UH, COME UP TO CONSOLIDATE THIS, LIKE I SAID, ON ONE POINT OF ALL THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, UM, CAUSE RIGHT. WE MAY HAVE SOME OF THE SAME HAVE SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS. RIGHT. SO I DID GET EFFORTS. WE MET EACH OTHER, SOME THOUGHTS BECAUSE I MAY BE SOUND OR SOMETHING AND TERRIBLY LIKE, NO, YOU'RE YOU WAY OFF, DO YOU MISS HERE'S THIS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TOGETHER WITH JUST ON OUR OWN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THEN BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT IT AND WE MAY BE IN AGREEANCE AND, AND ON CERTAIN THINGS WE MAY NOT BE IN AGREEANCE. AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD IF WE'RE NOT. YEAH. YEAH. OH YEAH, EXACTLY. YEP. THAT, UM, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. SO, UM, OKAY. WELL, GOOD. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, MOTION FOR THAT, TO DO THAT FOR NEXT MONTH? OR, OR IS THAT JUST OUR OWN WORK AND STUFF, MAN? YEAH, JUST THE ACCENT. THAT'S NOT A REALLY, UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A, YEAH, IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE IN THE FORM OF AN ACTION THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL BASICALLY THE TEAM WILL WE'LL REVIEW THE REVIEW, THE, UH, THE EIGHT POINT PLAN THAT FROM LINDA NAACP AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE POLICIES THAT ALIGN WITH IT. AND THEN AGAIN, YEAH, COME BACK WITH OUR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, AND, UH, DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO YEAH, YOU CAN JUST KIND OF CAPTURE THAT AS AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ALL HAVE. UM, AND I THINK WE'LL BE GOOD. YEAH. I THINK WE'LL BE GOOD. SO, UM, LET ME TRY, I'M LOOKING DOWN AT MY GYM TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE LEFT. WHAT TIME IS IT? OKAY. YEAH. SO I'M SORRY. DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? OKAY, GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE BASICALLY, OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM C THEN I THINK AS THE FONT YOU WANTED TO, UM, WAS IT THE POCO? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT STANDS FOR, BUT NATIONAL POLICE SERVICE SURVEY, DID YOU WANT TO TALK TO THEM? YEAH, SURE. I GUESS IT KIND OF TIES IN WITH NEED ASSESSMENT AS WELL. UM, BUT IT, IT ALL GOES BACK TO, I GUESS, A PREVIOUS, UM, I GUESS COMMENT I HAD, UH, REGARDING, REGARDING GETTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO POLICE SERVICES. SO THE, THE SURVEY OR SIMILAR SURVEYS ARE TAKING CONSIDERATION, SURVEYING THE COMMUNITY, THE, THE COMMUNITY, UH, TO GET THEIR PERCEPTION ON POLICE SERVICES. AND, UH, IT ALSO PROVIDES A, UH, A, UM, A BENCHMARK ON HOW WE'RE DOING, UH, COMPARED TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS OR OTHER LOW LOCAL JURISDICTIONS OR OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTRY, BUT PROVIDE US, UH, SIMILAR SURVEYS CAN PROVIDE US A BENCHMARK ON DETERMINING WHETHER OUR COMMUNITY SEES THE POLICE SERVICES OR POLICE SERVICES IN A SPECIFIC LIGHT, BUT KIND OF, I GUESS WHERE MY FRAME OF THOUGHT IS GOING IS AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING, UH, LOOKING, LOOKING AHEAD A YEAR TO TWO FROM NOW, UM, IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT THEY BELIEVED WOULD BE, UH, ISSUES OR, UH, PROBLEM AREAS, HOW COULD WE, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF [01:00:01] WELL, TRYING TO GET TO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND THE POLICE CONCERNS ALIGNED, UH, MORE IN THE LONG RUN SO THAT IT KIND OF LUMPS INTO NEEDS ASSESSMENT AS WELL. UH, SOME OF THE POINTS ON ALL OF THE POINTS, BUT THE OVERALL GOAL WAS TO TAKE CONSIDERATION, UH, PUTTING, MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, PROVIDE A COMPANY TO, UM, DO THE SURVEY ON OUR BEHALF FOR THE COMMUNITY TO, TO GAIN GAIN INSIGHT, BASICALLY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S BEGINNING TO MORE, EVEN MORE IMPORTANT AS WE WORK, WORK MORE ALONG THE ROAD, UH, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN IN TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, THEN WE CAN USE THE SAME DATA TO SAY, HEY, UH, THIS PERCEPTION OR THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS WE'VE TAKEN ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITIES, UH, UH, RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY. SO OVERALL IT'S A SURVEY NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS COMPANY, BUT DOING A COMMUNITY SURVEY I THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE IN THE LONG RUN. YES, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE, UH, WE NEED TO DO A, A SURVEY, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY OR WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO RIGHT GAUGE, UH, THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR OPINIONS ON HOW, UH, HOW THEY'RE BEING TREATED, UH, UM, HOW THEY'RE BEING TREATED IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, UM, COME TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SO IS THIS SURVEY, IS THIS SOME SORT OF, UM, IS IT LIKE A STANDING, IS IT LIKE A STANDARD SURVEY? UH, WHERE DOES THIS, SIR? IS THIS SOMETHING I CAN GOOGLE I CAN PULL THE SURVEY UP OR IS IT, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS? UM, ARE YOU REFERRING TO HOW THE IS A SURVEY TAKEN OR AN IN GENERAL, JUST WHAT IT'S ABOUT, HOW PEOPLE USE IT, WHAT SORT OF THING? SO TH SO THIS, SO YOU'RE TALKING TO THIS NATIONAL POLICE SERVICES SURVEY, IS THIS A, UM, SO IS THIS A SERVICE CREATED BY THIS ORGANIZATION THAT YOU CAN BASICALLY, THEY, THEY WORK IN CONJUNCTION? WELL, THE, THE TEMPLATE SURVEY, THE QUESTIONS WERE FORMULATED FROM IT. IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE ICFA AND THEN I BELIEVE IT WAS THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR A MORE FORMAL, UM, UH, ENTITY THAT DEALS WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE. SO IT WAS THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TEMPLATE OF THE SURVEY ARE, WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE ICM, WHICH IS WE'VE LOOK UP WHAT THAT TERM MEANS REAL FAST. IT'S A INTERNATIONAL CITY AND COUNTY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION, UH, THAT THEY PARTNER UP WITH A CRIMINAL JUSTICE ENTITY TO GET THE, GET THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THE TEMPLATE SET. UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO MODIFY QUESTIONS IN THE SURVEY AS WELL. UH, BUT OF COURSE, WHEN YOU START MODIFYING QUESTIONS, THEN THAT BENCHMARKING KIND OF, UH, UH, IT GOES AWAY BECAUSE YOU NO LONGER HAVE, UH, THE STANDARD QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO MULTIPLE COMMUNITY COMMUNITIES. SO, AND THE REASON I SPECIFICALLY WAS LOOKING AT POCO WAS BECAUSE, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, UNIVERSITIES, UM, OR, UH, OTHER SIMILAR COMPANIES THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A, A DATABASE THAT HAS THE CAPABILITY TO BENCHMARK ACROSS, UH, WELL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, UH, IN ITS ENTIRE CAPACITY. UM, SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE. UM, I DID REACH OUT TO A, AN OFFICER IN, UH, COLORADO, UM, WASN'T, WASN'T MEYER. UH, HE TOOK THE INITIATIVE, UH, BASED OFF OF HIS OWN, UH, WILL TO, UH, DO THE SURVEY ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I WAS TALKING TO HIM LAST WEEK. AND, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT HE'S ALREADY GLEANING FROM THIS TYPE OF SURVEY YOU SAID IS ALREADY PROVIDING VALUE BECAUSE, UH, IT JUST OPENING UP THE COMMUNITY COMMUNICATION LINE, UM, IN GENERAL, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, SHOWING IT'S SHOWING HOW WILLING SOME COMMUNITIES ARE WILLING TO OPEN UP COMMUNICATION. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT HE SAID, HE SENT IT OUT TO OVER 2000 DIFFERENT HOUSING, UH, UH, WELL HOUSES OVER IN COLORADO AND, UH, TO, AND TARGETED MINORITIES AS WELL, BUT IN THE RESPONSES, UM, NO, UH, NO HISPANICS RESPOND TO THE SURVEY. LIKE THEY, THEY NO RESPONSES AT ALL. AND SO HE SAID, EVEN, EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF THEIR SURVEY, DATA SHOWS JUST THE WILLINGNESS [01:05:01] OF A COMMUNITY OR MINORITY COMMUNITY ON HOW THEY, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POLICE RELATIONS. SO HE SAID THAT IN ITSELF WAS EYE-OPENING JUST FOR THE FACT THAT NO ONE RESPONDED FROM THE HISPANIC MINORITY COMMUNITY TO, TO THE SURVEY. SO, UH, IN GENERAL, UM, I JUST LIKE TO BRING IT UP SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE, IF IT, IF IT PROVED BY, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL OR, AND, AND ROB, IT WOULD BE, UH, AN ACTIVITY OR SURVEY THAT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ISN'T, ISN'T EXECUTED BY US, IT'S EXECUTED BY AN HIRED OUT CONTRACTOR. SO IT'S BASICALLY US JUST TRYING TO FACILITATE THE RIGHT SURVEY COMPANY OR TRYING TO FACILITATE PHYLLIS FACILITATE, UM, THE OVERALL PROCESS TO GETTING THE SURVEY DONE. AND THEN WE USE THAT DATA TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE, ERIC. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. SO YOU'VE SEEN THE SURVEY, YOU'VE SEEN THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE A PART OF THE SURVEY. AND SO YOU BASICALLY RECOMMEND THAT WE USE THIS PARTICULAR HAVE THIS PARTICULAR SURVEY ADMINISTERED AND USED FOR THE HUBER. I'D LIKE, I LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER IT TO AY, IF Y'ALL CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE AN HOUR OR TWO TO SEE IF THERE'S OTHER SIMILAR COMPANIES THAT, UH, I, I DON'T MATTER, I DON'T MIND DOING THE LEGWORK. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, I CAN REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, GATHER ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, ESTIMATES ON WHAT IT'S TAKING TO GET THE PROJECT COMPLETE, UH, TO OVERALL GET A, UH, SOME, UH, SURVEY DONE. SO WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE EVENTUALLY. AND THE SOONER WE BRING IT UP, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE SOONER THE COUNCIL AND ROBS, YOU KNOW, REALIZING THAT WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT HOW WE'RE WANTING TO, TO HELP BRING THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE SERVICES TOGETHER, BASICALLY. ARE YOU ABLE TO, ARE WE ABLE TO SEE A SAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE SURVEYS? WE, WE COULD. SO, UM, WHAT I WAS TALKING TO HIS NAME'S, UH, UH, UH, TRENTON, UM, FROM COLORADO AND, UH, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH POCO AS WELL. UH, HE, I HAVEN'T ASKED HER YET BECAUSE SHE'S ALREADY PROVIDED ME A LOT INFORMATION FOR ME TO GO THROUGH TO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH. UM, BUT THEY PROVIDED PREVIOUS SURVEYS, NOT THIS ONE YET, SO I CAN DEFINITELY ASK THEM FOR THE SURVEY RESULTS AND THEN SHARE IT WITH THE TEAM. YEAH, GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT, THAT WE NEED, WE NEED THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE THIS, UH, SURVEY ADMINISTERED. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE WHO IT'S FROM OR, UH, RIGHT. JUST THE FACT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING ONE COMPLETED. SO, UM, YEAH, SO THIS DEFINITELY DOES SPEAK TO ONE OF THE KEY THINGS FOR OUR NEEDS ASSESSMENT. UH, THAT'LL HELP US IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, THE OTHER THING TOO, I WANTED TO WANTED TO, UM, SOUND OF THIS WOULD FALL UNDER REFORM. RIGHT. UM, WHERE DOES IT FALL OR WHETHER OR NOT THIS FALLS UNDER SOME OTHER AREA WITHIN THE COMMISSION, RIGHT. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WOULD HELP, UM, MAYBE REDUCE ANY SORT OF, UH, INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE, RIGHT. OR POTENTIALLY USE SUPPORT IF WE COULD. UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD DO IN TERMS OF BUILDING, UH, RELATIONSHIPS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE, CAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY LISTENING TO, CAUSE YOU GUYS LISTENED TO THAT, UH, WHEN THE NAACP AND THE, WHAT WAS IT IN THE, UM, WHEN THEY HAD A VARIOUS POLICE DEPARTMENTS KIND OF SPEAK ON WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO ADDRESS THE EIGHT POINT PLAN? I THINK ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, THEY HAD LIKE A MENTORING PROGRAM WITH, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL OR SOMETHING OR SOME TYPE OF MENTORING PROGRAM WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD WORK OR INTERACT WITH, UM, WITH, WITH THE YOUTH, IF YOU WILL, OR, YOU KNOW, OUR YOUNG ADULTS, IF YOU WILL. BUT I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, OR IF THERE'S JUST LIKE A DAY WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT TRYING TO RECRUIT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT, COULD THERE BE LIKE A DAY WHERE THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, COME INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, YOU KNOW, OR, OR JUST SOMETHING AGAIN, WHERE YOU COULD INTERFACING THE POLICE WITH THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE THEM. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP OF SOME SPORT IS WHAT, AND AGAIN, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER REFORM OR THAT YOU PUT THAT [01:10:01] IN A POLICY SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SORT OF EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, THAT, THAT HELPS ADDRESS BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS. SO MAYBE WHEN YOU DO PULL THE ONE GUY OFF, RIGHT. YOU BORROW, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THESE KIDS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE FOLKS ISN'T THAT BIG, BUT IF YOU BUILT SOME RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE PEOPLE, SO MAYBE WHEN YOU DO PULL THEM OVER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, MAYBE YOU SEE A SITUATION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, OH, HEY BOB, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER THE KID'S NAME, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FORMING. I JUST THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY I'M THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY POLICING TYPE OF THING, BUT JUST SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN BE BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT IS SERVED. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ON THE REFORM. YEAH. THERE'S SOMEONE OFF MUTE. I HEAR A LOT OF BACKGROUND. IS THAT HELLO? OKAY. UM, SO I WAS GETTING A LOT OF BACKGROUND, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, I DUNNO, I MADE THEM GET A LITTLE BIT OFF OF, OFF OF THE SUBJECT THERE, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT THE COMPLAINT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT. BUT HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? RIGHT. IF THE POLICE, IF THE COMMUNITY COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, YEAH, MAN, I'VE, I'VE HAD THESE ENCOUNTERS WITH THE POLICE AND THEY DID THIS, THEY DID THAT TO ME, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. WE NEED THAT FEEDBACK. RIGHT. KNOW IF IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT AGAIN, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET INTO, WELL, HOW DO WE REMEDY? HOW MANY, HOW DO WE REMEDY THAT REMEDY THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? HOW DO WE FIX THAT RIGHT NOW? I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING SOME SORT OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE, UH, DOING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, UH, IS I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING. SO, UM, BY THE WAY AS FUN. YEAH. I, UH, I AGREE, YOU KNOW, WE DO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON NEEDS ASSESSMENT ANYWAY, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH YOLANDA AND COMPANY. SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL MENTION THIS THING ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SURVEY HERE, UM, AS, I GUESS, AS AN OPTION TO LOOK INTO, UM, AND, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. MAKES SENSE. SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. COOL. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? SO I, YOU KNOW, THE ITEM B WAS NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO, AS WE TALK ABOUT NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SURVEY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD, THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER OR, UM, FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON NEEDS ASSESSMENT? WE HAVE THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT WORKING DOCUMENT. ERIC. NOW YOU'RE ON MUTE. OH, YES. I'M SORRY. YES. YEAH, WE DO HAVE THAT. HE HAD A WORKING DOCUMENT. UM, ERIC RICHARDSON, ARE YOU TALKING TO US? NO, SORRY. NO, I WAS LIKE, IT'S FINE. I WAS GOING TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE TALKING TO US ON MUTE OR NOT. IT'S FINE. RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THAT WORKING, UM, THAT WORD DOC, ANYBODY CAN, UM, EDIT AND CHANGE AS NEEDED. UM, IF ANYBODY HAD THE TIME TO REVIEW THAT OR HAD ANYTHING TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY, I CAN ALWAYS RESEND THAT TO THE GROUP. YEAH, I HAVE IT. AND I'LL, I'LL GO BACK AND YEAH. TAKE HER, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, OR AS IT RELATES TO NEEDS ASSESSMENT AT THIS POINT? NO, NOT NOW. NOPE. OKAY, COOL. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN LET'S, UH, I GUESS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, UM, CIRCLE BACK ON THE TOPIC OF OUR MEETING, UH, DATES, TIMES FREQUENCY, UM, WHAT, WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU ALL? WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU ALL RECOMMEND? I'LL START WITH YOU, UH, ERIC, UM, IF, IF IT WORKS WITH THE GROUP, WE CAN KEEP THIS FIRST MONDAY THING IF THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WORKS FOR THE GROUP, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH THAT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE [01:15:01] WITH GETTING IT SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW? SO I'M GOOD. IF THE GROUP IS GOOD. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE THIRD, MY DEAR. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M LATE THIRD, MONDAY. YEAH. MONDAYS THEY GATHER. RIGHT. SO RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS, WHATEVER, FIRST THURSDAY I THINK, OF THE MONTH. RIGHT. SO, UH, SO YEAH, IT MAY BE GIVING, GIVING SOME SPACE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HAVE OUR MEETING FOLLOWING THAT. WHY? AND SO, AND YEAH, GIVEN IT ME TO ALMOST A TWO WEEK WINDOW IN BETWEEN, OR WEEK AND A HALF, I THINK IS, IS, UH, SEEMS TO BE, UH, APPROPRIATE. RIGHT. SO, SO ARE WE, SO EVERYONE'S GOOD WITH DOING THE THIRD MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH. YEAH. I'M GOOD WITH THAT ADJUST IF WE NEED TO, FOR WHATEVER REASON. RIGHT. WE'RE SMALL. AND IF, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOMETHING HAS POPPED UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF WE NEED TO SCHEDULE IT A DIFFERENT DAY, I GUESS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT. BUT AT LEAST FOR NOW, WE'LL JUST AIM FOR THE FIRST. LET ME, SORRY. THE THIRD, MONDAY. YEAH. I'M FINE WITH MONDAYS FOR NOW. IF WE TRADITIONALLY WE'VE PLAYED, WE'VE HAD INDOOR SOCCER ON MONDAYS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A INDOOR SOCCER SEASON WITH THE 10 PEOPLE LIMITS. SO FOR NOW IT'S FINE. IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE LATER, WE'LL CHANGE LATER. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SOCCER SCHEDULES AS OF YET. MAYBE WE SHOULD, IN THIS CASE, PUT THIS IN THE FORM OF A MOTION, WANTS TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. YEAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE'LL, UM, TENTATIVELY GET OUR MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR THE THIRD, MONDAY AT SIX. OKAY. CAN I GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. THAT MOTION. OKAY. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE, UH, HOST OUR REFORM COMMITTEE MEETING TENTATIVELY THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH. THAT WOULD BE DECEMBER 21ST AT 6:00 PM. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE, I'LL JUST SAY, IS THERE ANYBODY READY FOR THE QUESTION? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO NOT, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE GOOD. COOL. ALL RIGHT. WELL I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH FUN FOR TONIGHT. YOU THINK? YEAH. YEAH, NO, I WANT TO TRY, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN KEEP THE MEETING AGAIN, I'M GOOD WITH EITHER WAY, RIGHT. OUTWARD, BE OPTIMAL NO MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A HALF. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE ALL HAVE THINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT NEED TO BE DONE. SO I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE LONG DRAWN OUT MEETINGS. RIGHT. SO WE NEED AN HOUR, AN HOUR AND A HALF. UM, OPTIMAL BUGGING OUT WOULD BE GREAT NO MORE THAN HOUR AND A HALF. AND, UH, WITH THAT WE CAN ADJOURN FOLKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COOL. THANK YOU GUYS. HAVE A GOOD THANKSGIVING. GOOD STUFF. AND WE GET THE NEXT MONTH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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