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SOCCER FOR US HAS BEEN A SUNDAY AFTERNOON EVENT NOW.
SO YEAH, I WAS THINKING, UM, OUTREACH.
WHEN IS OUR MEETING? I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT ARE WHAT'S ON THE PLAN FOR MLK? I TALKED TO MINISTER WALKER.
HE DID SAY THAT I, IF I NEED TO SAY THIS PUBLICLY IN THIS MEETING, WE'LL TALK LATER.
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA ANYWAY, SO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THAT MEETING TIME.
SO I CAN'T MEET ON THIS IS GETTING HARD.
I HAVE CLASS ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
MONDAYS ARE TOUGH FOR ME, BARELY GETTING IN THE DOOR.
I PROBABLY CAN BE TUESDAYS LATER.
TUESDAYS ARE GOOD FOR ME, FOR ME, IF WE WANT TO DO WHAT'S LATER.
CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NINE O'CLOCK MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D BE AN HONEST ME AND YOU COULD PROBABLY PULL OFF AN 11 O'CLOCK MEETING.
PROBABLY COULD, BUT I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GETTING UP A LOT EARLIER LATELY AND I FEEL BETTER WHEN I CAN GET TO BED AT THIS NIGHT, BUT A LOT OF MY WORK GETS DONE.
ABOUT TWO, THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, COME DOWNSTAIRS.
I'M MOVING AWAY FROM THAT FOR THE NEW YEAR, 10 DAYS, GET UP REALLY EARLY.
EVEN IF I HAD TO GET UP AT FOUR O'CLOCK TO GO TO BED, THEY HEAR ME FROM NINE TO FIVE.
SO BY SEVEN I'M USUALLY CRISPY.
SO I'M WORKING ON ONE RIGHT NOW.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO I'LL, WE'LL HAVE A SIDE CONVERSATION, BUT VERY BUSY TODAY, TUESDAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MEETING EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK EITHER.
UH, REFORM AGAIN UNTIL THE 25TH.
UM, IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE TUESDAYS WE HAVE TO BE AROUND THIS MONTH WOULD BE THE 19TH OF JANUARY WOULD BE ABOUT A MONTH OUT.
IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT DAY, WE COULD DO WHATEVER.
IF WE HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT WHATEVERS.
EIGHT O'CLOCK I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE BIBLE STUDY AT SEVEN.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON JUST KIND OF RECAPPING THE STATEMENT, THE SOLID DARITY I WOULD LIKE TO, I I'LL START THAT ONE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, JUST BECAUSE I HAD SOME VERBIAGE I REALLY LIKED, UM, AND THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT ONE, UM, ON THE BACKEND FOR REVISIONS.
BUT IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO TAKE ON THAT STATE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY TO GET STARTED.
AND WHEN DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DONE? YOU MEAN FOR CASEY? YEAH.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUPPORT? YEAH.
AND IN SEEING AS A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE MORE, THE VERBIAGE USED THAT WE STAND WITH THE FAMILY AND SOLIDARITY, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, VERB FOR, FOR SUPPORT.
SO, UM, THIS FUNERAL IS THE 23RD.
IT'S NOT PUBLIC, BUT, UM, I COULD HAVE THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY WE WILL HAVE IT FINALIZED TO, TO SUBMIT TO ANYONE, UM, LET ALONE, WHAT AVENUES DO WE HAVE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO POST THAT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, SINCE WE'RE TECHNICALLY PART OF THE
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CITY, DOESN'T EVERYTHING KIND OF HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM.YEAH, THAT, THAT DOESN'T THAT I THINK THAT IF WE SAY A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, I DON'T KNOW, TARA, MAYBE DO WE NEED IT JUST TO GET A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT OUT AND WORK BECAUSE YEAH.
MAYBE THEY DO NEED TO APPROVE A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, BUT I THINK A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT CAN WE DO IT IN THE NAME OF A COMMISSION THAT'S UNDER THE CITY IS THE QUESTION.
I DON'T SEE WHY I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.
WELL, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT.
NOW, STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WELL, I WILL THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING IT.
I THINK IT WAS MORE THE PUSHBACK WE HAD GOTTEN ABOUT POSTING ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND HOW EVERYTHING NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THEM.
SO I THINK IF WE MAKE THAT STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY AND WANT IT POSTED, OR THE STATEMENT OF SUPPORT, WANT IT POSTED ON THAT FACEBOOK SITE, THEN WE JUST SEND IT TO THEM AND TELL THEM TO POST IT.
AND THEN IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, THEY CAN TELL US.
I THINK THAT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE VERY CANDID.
I THINK THAT A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT TO A FAMILY MEMBER WHO LOST A SON, ANY PERSON SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL WOULD APPRECIATE.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOLIDARITY, THAT WORD IS TIED TO A MOVEMENT AND EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL MAY NOT SUPPORT THAT MOVEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE MAY GET SOME PUSHBACK, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON COUNCIL OR CITY WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH US SENDING A MOTHER, A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
I'M JUST VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S SEMANTICS, BUT POLITICS.
I STILL, I, I, WELL, WHEN WOULD WE SIN? WE DIDN'T SAY THAT.
WHEN WOULD WE SEND IT? I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO GET TURNED AROUND IN TIME FOR THE FUNERAL ON WEDNESDAY, I MEAN, BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE TO HAVE IT SENT TO THE TWO OF YOU FOR REVISIONS AND CONVERSATION TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
UM, I DID, I HAVE TO, I DEFINITELY HAVE TO GO INTO MY OFFICE TOMORROW TO WORK AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO BE.
CAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YA, UM, I HAVE A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY PULLED UP.
I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO BOTH OF YOU ALL I KNOW THIS IS YEAH.
SO WE'LL DO A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT AND WE ARE SENDING THAT TO THEM VIA MAIL IN A NICE FORMAT.
I MEAN IT, EVEN IF THEY, I THINK THEY GOT IT ANYTIME NEXT WEEK, IT'D BE FINE.
WELL, THE FIRST CASE I'LL SHOOT FOR TOMORROW EVENING, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE, IT MIGHT BE WEDNESDAY MORNING.
SO THAT'S THE STATEMENT OF SUPPORT.
AND THEN THERE WAS, WE HAVE ALREADY THE, UM, THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WE'LL, WE'LL PULL THAT OUT INTO ITS OWN DOCKET AND KIND OF FOCUS THAT.
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING.
WHAT WAS THAT THING? UM, THEY'RE GOING TO THE PROTOCOL, I THINK, UM, FURTHER WORK ON DEFINING THE PURPOSE, MISSION STATEMENT, UM, PURPOSE INITIATIVES, WHICH WE SAID WE ALREADY REALLY HAVE.
WE JUST NEED TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.
SO WHO, HOW ARE WE DOING THAT? WHO'S I CAN TAKE THAT ON.
WE WANT TO START WITH THE RAPID ACTION PLAN OR THE PROTOCOLS FOR
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OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, START THE DOCUMENT IN THE BACKEND AND THEN, UM, ON THE BACK END HAVE FUN.ONE MORE MEETING IN JANUARY, I THINK AT LEAST START TO BRAINSTORM WHAT WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT, BUT THEN REALLY PULL THAT TOGETHER AT THE NEXT MEETING, PROBABLY BECAUSE WE DID OUR NEXT YEAH, BECAUSE WE GOT THE HOLIDAYS IN A YEAR AND THEN WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE SEVENTH, SO THAT'S JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY.
SO THE ONLY THING REPORT OUT AT THE MEETING ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'LL MAKE TO COUNCIL AND WE'LL BRAINSTORM WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT RAPID ACTION PLAN.
I CAN COME PREPARED TO THE NEXT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE BRAINSTORMED AND THEN PULL IT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING? NOPE.
MA'AM, I'LL GET YOU SOME DINNER, GO GRAB SOMETHING TO EAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD COMING BACK FROM CLIFTON MILL LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS ALMOST 10 O'CLOCK AND THEN YOU REMEMBER THAT THE CARPETS CLOSE AND EVERYTHING ROLLS UP AT 10 O'CLOCK.
SO WE GOT SOME, A DRIVE THROUGH WENDY'S CAUSE WE COULDN'T SIT DOWN AND EAT ANYWHERE.
VISIT WITH YOU AGAIN SHORTLY GIRLS' TRIP.
WE, THE LADIES FROM THE COMMISSION SHOULD DO THAT.
SO THEY COOK THE MEALS YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN, BUT YOU CAN GO BACK
AND NOT THAT LONG AGAIN, THAT HOLIDAY, YOU SHOULD SEE IT HERE.
YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD EVENING, RIGHT? SO ARE YOU GUYS ALL DOING GOOD, MAN? HOW ABOUT YOU? NOT BAD.
I'M TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, MY LAST FEW MINUTES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL MY LAST MINUTE CHRISTMAS SHOPPING IN RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DO MY BEST CHRISTMAS SHOPPING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M UNDER PRESSURE.
UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IT.
SIX 31, UM, M UH, I GUESS AT THIS TIME, I GUESS WE'LL DO A, I GUESS A FORMER ROLL CALL, TARA PURPOSE, UH, ERIC RICHARDSON PRESENT AS TO FIND RAMIREZ.
SO I GUESS WE'LL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, I THINK EVERYONE DID GET A COPY OF THE MINUTES THAT WERE SENT OUT BY TARA.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES, THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I DO HAVE ONE, I GUESS COMMENT.
I THINK IT WAS MY SPELLING AND IT'S MINOR, RIGHT? LIKE EARLY ON IN THE, UH, YEAH, NOT A BIG, NOT A BIG
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DEAL.UH, SO, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UM, MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, TODD.
NOW YOU DID A PRETTY THOROUGH JOB.
YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE WERE.
I MEAN, THOSE WERE, I MEAN, THOSE WERE EXCELLENT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THAT LEVEL OF EXPECTING THAT IT WAS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS OF LIKE NOTHING VERSUS JUST, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DICTATION.
SO, UH, I'LL FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM EXACTLY.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT IS TIME CONSUMING.
AND I DEFINITELY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OTHER ACTS, I KNOW YOU'RE ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OTHER ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A MAJOR WORKLOAD, SO YEAH.
I DEFINITELY JUST TRY TO CATCH THE SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S YOUR CALL, RIGHT.
AGAIN, I DO IT RIGHT, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MORE WORK ON YOU THAN NECESSARILY RIGHT.
WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING TOGETHER THESE MINUTES.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE VERY DETAIL, UH, CAPTURE THE DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I GUESS, UH, EXCUSE, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS.
RIGHT? SO, UM, FROM OUR MEETING LAST MONTH, UH, WE, EXCUSE ME, MY ALLERGIES THAT ARE AFFECTING SO MANY WAYS.
SO FROM LAST MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPENT SOME TIME OBVIOUSLY, UH, AFTER, YOU KNOW, GETTING ALL THE DATA FROM, FROM ROCK SHOMER WE, WE SAID, HEY, HOW DO WE WANT TO TACKLE REVIEWING THIS DATA, HELPING WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE, THE INFORMATION FROM THE NAACP ON THE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE.
AND SO, UM, KEEPING WAS, WE WANTED TO SPEND SOME TIME SEEING HOW THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMPLIANT WITH THOSE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE FROM THE NAACP.
SO WE SAID, WE BASICALLY, EACH OF US WOULD GO BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THE POINTS, LOOK AT THE DATA.
AND AGAIN, COME BACK WITH COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMPILE THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEN TAKE THAT FORWARD TO ROB.
SO WITH THAT, I GUESS WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, IF YOU WILL, WE CAN START WITH, LOOK, I KNOW WE SPENT A LITTLE TIME LAST MONTH LOOKING AT ONE OR TWO OF THE INITIATIVES FROM THE NAACP.
SO I GUESS GIVEN THAT, SO WE ALL HAD SOME, SOME, SOME TIME NOW TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT DEEPER, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE INFORMATION, UM, AT THIS POINT, I GUESS WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN START WITH THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE OR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, POINT THAT'S BEING MADE THERE.
AND THEN LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND ARE, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, INITIATIVE AND WHERE WE THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME WORK DONE, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT.
IF WE FEEL THAT IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE NWCP IS CALLED FOR.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN START WITH THE FIRST ONE, HOLD ON.
I WAS REALLY KICKING IN TODAY.
SO, SO THE FIRST ONE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, THE REQUIREMENT OR THE DESIRE FOR THERE TO BE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, RIGHT.
THAT'S EMPOWERED WITH SUBPOENA POWERS TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC DUE TO MISCONDUCT, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, SORRY, CONCERNING MISCONDUCT BY POLICE OFFICERS.
AND SO, UM, AND AS YOU LOOK AT, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I SAW, RIGHT? SUMMARIZE THE RESPONSE AND YOU RISE POLICE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT BASICALLY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROCESS, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, HANDLING COMPLAINTS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THEIR WHOLE PROCESS FOR, FOR DOING INVESTIGATIONS.
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HOW THEY WERE COMPLIANT WITH THE, UH, KALIA, WHAT DOES THAT, THE OHIO COLLABORATION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE SAW THERE WAS THAT IT REALLY DIDN'T ADDRESS OR SPEAK TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE NWCP IS LOOKING FOR.
WHICH IS REALLY HAD, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY HERE.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE JUST DOING AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, RIGHT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION FOR A PARTICULAR COMPLAINT OR ISSUE THAT COMES UP, THAT COMES UP IF YOU WILL.
AND SO THIS YEAR DOESN'T REALLY, AGAIN, MEET THE INTENDED THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF CITIZENS, A REVIEW BOARD WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY IN CONCERT WITH, RIGHT.
I GUESS IN PARALLEL WITH THEIR INVESTIGATION, I ASSUME THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE ARTIFACTS, THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING COLLECTED, IF YOU WILL.
AND, AND, AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
SO, UM, SO, SO AGAIN, IT, IT APPEARS IN MY MIND THAT THERE IS FALLING SHORT ON AT LEAST TRYING TO MEET THAT INTENT.
SO LET ME JUST KINDA OPEN IT UP FOR, FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.
I THINK THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR, UH, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BOARD HERE, BECAUSE THEY KIND OF MENTIONED THAT WELL, UM, IN HUBER HEIGHTS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER, CAUSE THIS THING WAS BACK IN JUNE, RIGHT? SO THEY KIND OF MADE MENTION, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UH, COMMISSION.
BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THE MISSION OF THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, IT'S NOT CLOSE TO WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SUBPOENA POWER AS FAR AS, UH, IS THERE A PROCESS THAT REVIEWS POLICE COMPLAINTS, UH, AND THAT KIND OF DEAL, OR EVEN, CAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE FOR DAYTON, YOU, YOU FILE YOUR POLICE COMPLAINT.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SEND THAT TO THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE FOR THEM TO REVIEW.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE'D LINE UP.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, IS IT, I KNOW, RIGHT.
THEY PUT TOGETHER THIS OBVIOUSLY OURS.
SO THAT MEANS THEY PUT TOGETHER THE PUT TO GET OUT OF DIVERSITY AND CULTURE, UH, UH, UM, COMMISSION, IF YOU WILL.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, IS IT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT WE, AS THE COMMISSION SERVICE THAT COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, OR IS IT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT EITHER IT'D BE US OR THAT A, WE VIEW BOARD A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD BE PUT TOGETHER TO SERVE IN THAT PURPOSE.
RIGHT? WHETHER IT BE US AS A GROUP OR AT LEAST SOME ROUTE BE PUT TOGETHER TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, MAYBE THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE WITH US SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY IS THE VERBIAGE USED IN THE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE THAT, UM, THE REVIEW BOARD SHOULD BE, UM, ELECTED AND WE ARE NOT A LEFT.
SO IF WE ARE DESERVING THAT CAPACITY, YOU, THEN THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LINE UP BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS BY THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY IN MY MIND, I DON'T, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RIGHT.
SO IF THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO BE ELECTED, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT I DON'T CARE IF IT'S, IF IT'S US OR, OR IF IT'S A, NOT THE GROUP THAT'S PUT TOGETHER.
THE KEY THING IS WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT PUT IN PLACE TO REVIEW COMPLAINTS.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THERE.
I THINK THE END RESULT NEEDS TO BE, WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE BECAUSE AS YOU GO AND YOU LOOK FURTHER DOWN, YOU KNOW, AND I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ROB CAN HELP HELP ME OR HELP, OR MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME FURTHER UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE WERE LIKE SIX FORMAL COMPLAINTS.
I MEAN, SIX IS, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOW NUMBER AND THAT'S GOOD.
AND I TRULY HOPE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT SOMETHING IN MY GUT TELLS ME THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER.
UM, SO, BUT AS A CITIZEN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW OF AN OPTION THAT I HAVE.
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YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OTHER THAN FILL OUT THAT PAMPHLET THAT SAID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT IT.I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, AND I GET IT, IT MAY NOT BE OUR COMMISSION, UM, FOR THAT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR CHARTER, IT HAS AN INSIDE OF DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR US TO BE THAT WE MAY ALSO SERVE AS A REVIEW, A REVIEW SLASH ADVISORY PANEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS OR COMPLAINT RESOLUTION.
SO HOW I CAN SEE IT IS THAT WHAT OUR POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WOULD TO PURSUE A, UH, TO PURSUE ACTION, TO FORMALIZE A, UH, COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD, WHETHER THAT BE US, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DUTIES, MAYBE OUR DUTY RESPONSIBILITIES OR A SEPARATE FUNCTION FOR ADDITIONAL CITIZENS TO, TO TAKE OVER UNDER THERE UNDER US, BUT AS A SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, ENTITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF, UH, WELL, THE TIME AND EFFORT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
BUT I SEE THAT THAT'S IN OUR, IN OUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE COMMISSION MAY SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
I THINK OUR RECOMMENDATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION COULD BE TO FORMALIZE THROUGH, THROUGH ACTION TO, TO PURSUE THAT IF WE NEED TO FILL THAT GAP, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I'M GLAD YOU, I'M GLAD YOU, UH, YOU REVIEWED THAT CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT US HAVING OR SERVING IN THAT SOMEWHAT IN THAT CAPACITY.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW COMPLAINTS.
SO, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UNDER THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES? YES.
SO GIVEN THAT WE DON'T TECHNICALLY, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS WHAT THE NAACP RECOMMENDED THAT THERE BE AN ELECTED, UH, UH, ELECTED MEMBERSHIP, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.
THE KEY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE COULD ACTUALLY SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS IT'S, AS LONG AS WE DO, LIKE YOU SAID, IF I MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, FORMALIZE THAT, THAT PROCESS, RIGHT.
MAYBE SOMETHING FROM THIS, I MEAN, FROM THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NEED TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT LAYS OUT HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
I MEAN THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THE KEY THING IS WE, WE COULD SERVE AS THOSE MEMBERS, BUT I THINK THEY PROBABLY NEED TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD PUT TOGETHER, UH, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE NOW, DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD PUT TOGETHER? OR MAYBE WE DO SOME RESEARCH ON HOW THAT REALLY WORKS TO COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO DO SOME HOMEWORK ON THAT.
BUT I GUESS IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY COULD PROVIDE, UM, SINCE THEY, THEY MENTIONED IT, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THEY PUT TOGETHER THE INITIAL LANGUAGE, RIGHT.
UM, FOR THE COMMISSION, RIGHT.
SAYING THAT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THE POSSIBILITY ON THEM TO, UH, LAY THAT OUT AND THEN WE CAN COMMENT, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US IF WE WANT TO AT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT WE THINK SHOULD MAKE SENSE.
I MEAN, WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE? I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS CONSIDERING IT, BUT I'M JUST THINKING IT, THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD, UH, TAKE THAT ON.
SO THEY DO THIS, THIS MISSION IS THEY'RE SERVING IN THAT ROLE TO SOME DEGREE.
THAT COULD BE A CLARIFICATION, LIKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO, TO, UH, TO SHOW HER, JUST TO LOOK, TO CLARIFY OUR, OUR ROLE, IS IT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP THESE TYPE OF, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRESENT TO EXECUTE OR FOR US TO, UH, BUILD UP RECOMMENDATIONS TO A POINT LIKE ERIC, JUST TO ADJUST IT TO A POINT WHERE THERE CAN BE A, A PROPER FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION TO PRESENT TO THE CITY, UH, ON, WELL, ON OUR BEHALF BASICALLY.
AND MY ONLY THING WAS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GET INTO THE BUSINESSES OF DEVELOPING A PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE EXPERTISE AGAIN TO,
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TO, TO DO THAT.OR WHAT A, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE FOR, FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT.
THEY HAVE IT ALL IN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AND THEY HANDLE COMPLAINTS.
AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT AREA.
I THINK WE, I KNOW WE NEED TO HAVE ONE, RIGHT.
BUT IN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WON'T BE PUT IN PLACE, BUT I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE WORK ON, ON US THAN NECESSARY, RIGHT.
BY DEVELOPING A PROCESS FOR HOW WE DO A CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEWS.
I JUST, I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T PUT TOO MUCH ON OURSELVES.
WELL, SO HOW I SEE IT IS THAT THE WORK, THE, THE, THE END PRODUCT AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE DEVELOPED BY US OUTSOURCED USING TAXPAYERS MONEY OR REASSIGNED OR ASSIGNED TO THE PERSONNEL WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY'S ADMINISTRATION.
SO THEN YOU, YOU GET TO A POINT OF, UM, CAPACITY LIMITS, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING FORMAL RELATIONSHIP RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF US? SO I, IT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD THINK OF, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IF WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE AL SORTS FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, UM, WELL, I'M ONLY FORGOT THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING THE, FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WHERE WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, RIGHT.
WE'RE OUTSOURCING THAT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A FORMAL PROCESS TO BE BUDGETED OUTRIGHT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, SOME, SOME POINT WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE, HAVE TO BE, UH, TIME AND RESOURCES ALLOCATED TO EXECUTE THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF, OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE BASED OFF OF US, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THESE EIGHT STEPS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING OUR OWN TIME TO GO THROUGH THESE, THESE, UH, THIS INFORMATION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD KEEP ON THE BACK OF HER MIND THAT IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING, RECOMMENDING IT TO BE DONE OR REVIEWED BY THE CITY, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE A CAPACITY TO DO? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SPEND THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO LOOK INTO? SO THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD.
I THINK MAYBE THAT'S A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEXT STEP WAS THAT WE WOULD CIRCLE BACK WITH ROB MAYBE NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK IN TERMS OF HOW TO BEST MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHAT CAN THE CITY, WHAT'S IT, WHAT WILL THE CITY BE ABLE TO DO VERSUS US VERSUS OUTSOURCING? YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
CAUSE I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN JUST HAVE THEM REACH OUT BECAUSE I'M WITH YOU, ERIC.
I MEAN, BY NO MEANS, MAN, I'M NO EXPERT ON TRYING TO PULL THIS TOGETHER, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ASK ROB TO SAY, HEY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF DAYTON HAS ONE, CAN YOU PULL THEIR PROGRAM FOR US TO LOOK AT AND READ? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF TROUT WOULD HAS ONE, CAN YOU PULL THAT PROGRAM SO WE CAN READ IT IF COLUMBUS HAS ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, USE THAT KIND OF THING, GO PULL THOSE PROGRAMS. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN REVIEW THOSE TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME PROS AND CONS OUT OF ALL OF THEM AND BETWEEN US AND HIM, WE TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WE THINK WORKS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.
HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW AND COMMENT ON VERSUS US THE DEVELOPING SOMETHING, RIGHT.
I'M WITH YOU, YOU GET APPROVED SO THAT THAT'S TRYING TO KEEP, KEEP IN MIND, HEY, YOU KNOW, OUR TIME, YOU KNOW, OUR TIME MANAGEMENT AND PRIORITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO.
ANY TIRED? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD? DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR POINT? I THINK THAT IT'S JUST, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION ON WHO IS THE GROUP.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SUBPOENA POWERS TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION IN TANDEM WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND AS SOON AS WE CAN ASCERTAIN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT DETAIL, IT WILL MAKE THINGS A LITTLE EASIER.
UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I REALLY PICKED OUT OF.
IT WAS THE, THE SUBPOENA POWERS, YOU KNOW, AND THE POSE TO BE DULY ELECTED, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OR THE OTHER, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE'RE NEITHER.
I GUESS I WONDER WHEN THEY SAY SUBPOENA POWERS, DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN CALL A POLICE OFFICE? SO LET'S SAY A POLICE OFFICER THAT'S BEEN ACCUSED OF A PARTICULAR ACT.
WE CAN BRING HIM BEFORE US AND WE INTERROGATE HIM, NOT INTERROGATE, BUT ASK HIM QUESTION, I GUESS, I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE COULD, LIKE YOU SAID, SEE, WHAT'S OUT THERE OF THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IF SOMETHING'S ALREADY BEEN PUT TOGETHER THAT
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WE CAN USE A LEVERAGE.UM, I THINK THAT WILL BE THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT POINT.
UH, THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, LET'S SEE, CREATE A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS AROUND ACCOUNTABILITY OF OFFICERS WHO VIOLATE, UM, CITIZENS' RIGHTS, UM, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND SO, UM, SO IN THEIR RESPONSE, THEY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, CALL OUT, UM, YEAH, JUST SAY, OKAY, THE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
UM, AND, AND, BUT THEY, THEY GO INTO A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YEAH, OKAY.
I GOT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THEY HAVE THEIR PROCESS AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
UM, AND THEN IT SAYS, UH, UM, YEAH, THAT THEY PRODUCED THIS ANNUAL REPORT.
IT COMES OUT THAT PEOPLE CAN REVIEW AFTER THE FACT RIGHT.
ANNUALLY, YOU CAN GET THIS REPORT AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS, UM, THAT WERE, I GUESS, THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
AND SO I GUESS, AS I LOOK AT THIS ONE AS WELL, I I'M SORRY.
AND MAYBE PART OF IT TOO IS MAYBE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE INTENT FROM, FROM THE NAACP, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
UM, LET ME TALK ABOUT MAKING THEIR NAMES, UM, MADE A BIT, I MEAN, MAKING THEIR NAMES BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT MEANS LIKE VIA SOME SORT OF WEBSITE OR IF YOU WILL, BUT, UM, IT MAY BE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, NOT WAITING UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.
MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IMMEDIATE, MORE, UH, MORE IMMEDIATE, BUT SOMETHING MORE CURRENT, RIGHT.
IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY, KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER THAT'S UNDER INVESTIGATION.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT, THAT'S, WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE PER SE.
BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY MEET ME AN INTENT OF WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR.
MAKE THEIR RECORDS MADE PUBLIC.
UM, SO ME NAME, I DON'T THINK, BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AGE AT THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY SEND NOTHING BY MAKING NAMES TO ME, THEY JUST PUT TOGETHER A REPORT TO SAYING, WE DON'T MENTION ANY NAMES.
IT'S JUST, I THINK WE SAW ON HER REPORT.
THEY JUST MENTIONED, UH, THE INCIDENT.
UH, AND OFFICER RIGHT ON NAMED OFFICERS.
SO IT DOESN'T GET INTO ANY SPECIFIC DETAILS WITH REGARDS TO A PARTICULAR OFFICER.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M THINKING, RIGHT.
IF AN OFFICER ISN'T HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DOES THE PUBLIC NEED TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF AN OFFICER IS LOOKING TO MOVE TO A, WELL, LET'S SAY HE'S BEEN DISMISSED FOR WHATEVER REASON OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOING TO, IF HE'S LOOKING TO BE PLACED AT A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THAT INFORMATION IS MADE AVAILABLE.
BUT THEY CAN SEE THAT IN THAT HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT, THAT OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FACTORING THAT IN THEIR DECISION, AS IT RELATES TO BRINGING IN A NEW OFFICER, RIGHT.
ASSUME THEY HAVE SOME, SOME CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT THEY LOOK AT, UM, TO SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY IS WORTHY TO, TO JOIN OUR POLICE FORCE OR NOT.
WHAT WERE YOU ASKED? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? AND IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR VERSUS HOW, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS RESPONDED TO IT? I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY PIECE OF IT IS MORE OF, OKAY.
IS IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE AN INVESTIGATION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT PROCESS OPEN FOR REVIEW FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN? SO IT, IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE, OH, OKAY, WELL, YOU HANDLED IT THIS WAY IN JANUARY, A SITUATION IDENTICAL TO IT HAPPENED IN MARCH, BUT YOU HANDLED IT THIS WAY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE NAACP IS SAYING.
IS THAT OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A PROCESS, THEN THIS IS THE PROCESS.
IT WORKS IN MARCH, WHATEVER IT IS, THIS IS THE PROCESS, BUT THEN MAKE THAT PROCESS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND KNOW IT.
SO THEREFORE IT LOWERS YOUR ANXIETY.
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OUR PROCESS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SHOOTING HAPPENS AND WITHIN 48 HOURS, WE'RE GOING TO START TO RELEASE INFORMATION.WELL, IN 48 HOURS START RELEASING INFORMATION.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO POINT NUMBER ONE, RIGHT.
WHERE YOU HAD THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, UM, IF YOU HAD THAT IN PLACE, THEN YOU'RE GETTING, AT LEAST FOR THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARDS, YOU'RE GETTING TRANSPARENCY INTO THE PROCESS.
THIS IS A PROCESS THAT THEY'RE WALKING THROUGH WITH THE WHOLE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT MAY HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THAT, WHAT I'M THINKING, BUT, UM, AS TO FUN, UH, WELL, I THOUGHT, WELL, I THINK THAT THE GENERAL ORDER GOING THROUGH THE, THE, THE PARTS AND THE SECTIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL ORDER, I FELT THAT IT OUTLINED THAT PROCESS.
SO I THOUGHT THAT THE GENERAL ORDER IS THE OUTLINE FOR, FOR THE OFFICERS TO ADHERE TO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPARENCY AND LIKE GETTING THAT, THAT TEMPLATE ON, ON HOW TO EXECUTE AND INVESTIGATIONS OR HOW THE OFFICER'S SUPPOSED TO, TO ACT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW, I THOUGHT THE LIMITS OF AUTHORITY, GENERAL ORDER KIND OF OUTLINE THAT.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPARENT, LIKE THAT'S ALWAYS LIKE A, WELL, IN MY, MY FRAME OF THOUGHT, THAT'S ALWAYS LIKE A, A, A TOUCHY SUBJECT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE STATE, THE GOVERNMENT, JUST BECAUSE OF, OF, OF, OF JUST THAT, THAT HIERARCHY, LIKE, UH, WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A FULL REQUEST ON, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE MENTIONING INSIDE OF HERE.
SO, UH, TO ME, I FEEL LIKE THE TRANSPARENT PART AND THE, THE, THE, UH, THE POLICIES, UH, TO, TO OUTLINE THE PROCEDURES FOR THE OFFICERS IS WITHIN THE GENERAL ORDER.
SO THAT'S WHERE I, I GUESS I'M REAL CONFUSED WHEN, WHEN ERIC WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, UM, IF WHAT THEY DID IN MARCH FOR A, A STOCK IS THE SAME THING THEY'RE DOING IN MAY FOR A STOP WHEN THE POLICY ON, ON HOW THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTING THE ORDERS WITHIN THIS GENERAL ORDER.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT WAS THAT'S THE PROCESS.
AND THEN TRANSPARENCY IS UP TO A FULL REQUEST.
UM, TARA, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SO FOR ME, LOOKING AT THE GENERAL ORDER, THE SIX OH TWO, WHICH IS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS ONE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS IS OUTLINED, AND IT DOES SAY IT WILL BE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN A CONSISTENT BASIS.
UM, I THINK A BARRIER IN ITSELF FOR TRANSPARENCY, OR, OR EVEN FOR COMPLAINTS TO BEGIN WITH WOULD BE THE PROCESS THAT ALL ALLEGATIONS SHALL BE REPORTED ON THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION COMPLAINT FORM.
DO I HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE STATION TO FILL THAT OUT? CAUSE I'M GOING TO BE INTIMIDATED IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ON ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS.
SO I THINK THAT IN ITSELF PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE EXPOUNDED A LITTLE FOR ME IN WHERE IS THAT FORM? IS IT READILY AVAILABLE TO BE COMPLETED ONLINE ANONYMOUSLY OR, YOU KNOW, SO FOR ME, THE, THE, THE FACT THAT FOR THEM TO PROCESS AN ALLEGATION, IT HAS TO BE ON THIS FORM.
I THINK THAT LIMITS WHO IS GOING TO BE MAKING ALLEGATIONS OR COMPLAINTS, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT WHAT DO THEY CALL IT RETRIBUTION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE RIDING BACK.
SO IT MAY MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT LET'S, YOU KNOW, NEED TO MAKE SURE LOOK A PAL AND SOME THINGS THAT COMPILING A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GO BACK AND ASK ROB ABOUT AGAIN.
I'M GOOD WITH MAYBE THAT THE PROCESS, THEY HAVE THE PROCESS OUTLINED.
BUT, BUT I'M SPEAKING MAYBE TO THAT SECOND POINT WHERE IT SAYS PROCEDURES BY MAKING THEIR NAMES AND DISCIPLINARY RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T THINK THEY DON'T SPEAK TO THAT.
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KNOW, AS YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS, RIGHT.IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO? RIGHT.
UM, IS, IS THE QUESTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, WHAT'S BEING ASKED, RIGHT.
IS THAT THEY'RE THERE MORE, YOU CAN HAVE A PROCESS, RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S A PROCESS TO ADDRESS THIS IN PARTICULAR.
AND THEN, THEN, UM, THAT MAY, ARE YOU WILLING, ARE YOU WILLING TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND THEN HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THESE RECORDS? HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE? WHY, WHAT WOULD BE THAT THE METHOD OR THE, UM, THE MEDIA, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT? SO, UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, THING I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD ASK ABOUT, UM, I ALSO, I GUESS, STRUGGLE WITH THE, THE CITING OF THESE GENERAL ORDERS THAT IN ITSELF, FOR ME, DOESN'T SCREAM TRANSPARENCY WHEN I HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DO IT IN MY JOB.
I CITE STUFF ALL THE TIME AND JUST SEND YOU THE LINK TO THE RULE AND TELL YOU TO GOOD LUCK.
BUT, UM, THAT ITSELF, FOR ME, DOES NOT SCREAM TRANSPARENCY THAT WE HAVE TO GO REFERENCE THIS GENERAL ORDER AND THEN GO FIND THIS GENERAL ORDER AND THEN LOOK FOR THE VERBIAGE THAT WE'RE WE'RE SEEKING.
SO THAT FOR ME IS ALSO JUST A LITTLE STRUGGLE ON THE TRANSPARENCY.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE I'M SURE IT PROBABLY IS IN THIS GENERAL ORDER ONE OH TWO, HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING THE OFFICER'S RECORDS THAT COMPLAINTS ARE MADE, BUT THAT IN ITSELF IS STRUGGLE MORE WORK.
YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A POINT.
OH NO, I WAS JUST, SO THIS IS, THIS IS TOWARD THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY.
IT'S IT'S IT'S I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS POLICY THAT HAVE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT WITH THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHEN I'M, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HOW, HOW THEY, HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, EXECUTE SEARCHES AND WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT DOCUMENTED THAT WAY THEY CAN REFER TO SOMETHING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH POLICY.
BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, I THINK THE MORE IN, IN THESE SITUATIONS FOR, FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ON BEHALF OF THE POLICE OFFICER, THE MORE, THE BETTER REGARDING, YOU KNOW, SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DOING? HOW SHOULD THEY REACT? WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? THEY SHOULD BE GOING BY THIS, THE GENERAL ORDERS FOR EXECUTED BY CHIEF LEITNER TO, TO, TO THE POLICE OFFICERS, JUST BASICALLY.
BUT NO, I, I AGREE WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCESS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN, THAT CAN BE HAD ON, ON THAT.
I KNOW MY CAT WAS NAPPING IN THE CLOSET AND SHE WAS HAVING A MOMENT CAUSE I CLOSED THE DOOR ON HER.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD DROPPED OFF, SO YOU'RE FINE.
SO LET'S UH, ANY, UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON ITEM ITEM TWO? OKAY.
UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE.
NOT SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD ON ITEM THREE AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS.
I DON'T HAVE TO TICK OFF EVERY POINT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU COULD, YOU CAN TAKE THE LEADER.
I CAN TELL YOU, GO AHEAD AND ROLL WITH IT.
SO ITEM THREE, IT, IT, IT TALKS ABOUT CREATE A POLICY WHEREBY POLICE OFFICERS WHO DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND, OR USE EXCESSIVE FORCE ON AND ON, OFF ON, ON PERSON, UH, BE SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY PENDING FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
AND THEN IT'S ALSO SAYING, HEY, MAKE THEIR INFORMATION, UM, THEIR NAMES AND HISTORY, UH, AND WHAT THEY WANT THAT TO BE MADE AVAILABLE, IF YOU WILL WRITE TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THEIR ASK IS.
AND SO, UM, SO HE WRITES, RESPONDS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A POLICY AND PROCEDURE IN PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FOR A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS,
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UH, WHERE SOMEONE DIES OR SERIOUSLY INJURED.AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THIS, THIS ALL FALLS UNDER THEIR GENERAL, UH, ORDER ONE OH THREE USE OF FORCE.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL ORDER, UH, ONE OF FOUR WEAPONS.
AND I COULDN'T FIND THAT WELL, THAT WASN'T A DOCUMENT, I GUESS I ASKED FOR, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT EXISTED.
SO X I SENT AN EMAIL TO ROB A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO BECAUSE WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAD, I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE GENERAL ORDER ONE OH FOUR WEAPONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS, I GUESS, UNDER THE CLIA STANDARD.
SO I ASKED HIM TO SEND, SEND ME A COPY OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S IT'S IN THE PACKAGE ONE OH FOUR, ONE OH FOUR WEAPONS.
YEAH, IT'S JUST IT'S RIGHT WITHIN STRATEGY THREE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE GENERAL ONE OH THREE USE OF FORCE AND THEN ONE RIGHT AFTER THAT'S GENERAL ONE OH FOUR WEAPONS.
I'LL I'LL, UH, GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
CAUSE I, YEAH, MAYBE I JUST DROVE AND LOOKED AT, SO IT WAS IN THAT PACKAGE THAT HE SENT US.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE IT INSIDE OF THERE OR IS IT YEAH, IT'S THERE IT'S IT'S PAGE 82.
WELL THAT WAS JUST MY MISTAKE THEN I'LL, I'LL GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, NOW I GUESS THE ONLY THING HERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE NAACP IS ASKING FOR, UM, THEY'RE ASKING THAT, HEY, WHEN AN OFFICER'S INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED PERSON, THEY'RE ASKING THAT THAT PERSON BE SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY AND THAT THEIR NAMES BE MADE A PUBLIC NOW, UM, THAT THEY DON'T SPEAK HUBRIS.
I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DO AN INVESTIGATION.
I THINK THEY, AND I THINK THOSE FOLKS, AT LEAST THEY GO ON SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.
I PICK US OFF THEY'RE RELIEVED OF DUTY, RIGHT.
NOW KNOW IF THAT MEANS IT'S WITHOUT PAY.
I, UH, MAYBE THEY'RE STILL GETTING PAID.
UM, BUT MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON, ON, UM, WHEN A PERSON IS SUSPENDED, DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH, OR WITHOUT PAY? JUST AS A QUESTION, I GUESS, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S INSIDE OF, INSIDE OF THERE IT'S, UH, IT'S UPON, UH, UH, DISCRETION TO BELIEVE THAT THE CHIEF OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, YOU SAW THAT WORD.
I, YEAH, I HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO IT, BUT I I'M, I THINK I'LL FOLLOW UP.
I REVIEWED, I LOOKED AT THE, AT LEAST I LOOKED AT THE ONE, OH, UM, THE USE OF FORCE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT THAT'S FOLK TO SPOKE TO THAT IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT I COULD HAVE MISSED IT.
I SAID I SKIMMED THROUGH IT AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S JUST, I GUESS IT'S JUST MORE OF A QUESTION, UM, THAN ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT ON THIS.
SO THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
I MEAN, NOW AGAIN, WELL, THE OTHER PART IS MAKING THE NAMES THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE PUBLIC.
I DON'T, AGAIN, THEY DON'T SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL.
AND I THINK IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BOB ROCK, YOU KNOW, MAKING NAMES AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING NAMES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, PROVIDING INSIGHT TRANSPARENCY AS IT RELATES TO THE OFFICER THAT'S ON THE INVESTIGATION, I GUESS.
BUT, UM, DID YOU GUYS SAW, I WAS LOOKING AT, SO I WAS REVIEWING THAT USE OF FORCE POLICY, UM, TALK ABOUT INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DEFINE THAT OR NOT.
THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT AN INTERMEDIATE WEAPON IS.
MAYBE THAT'S LIKE RUBBER, RUBBER BULLETS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, WEAPONS AND THEY, THEY MENTIONED INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DEFINE WHAT INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, WHAT THAT IS.
BUT IF YOU GUYS SAW THAT OR CAUGHT THAT, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT, OR JUST MORE OF A QUESTION I HAD, UM, AND THEN I NOTICED THEY HAD, I WAS READING THROUGH THE USE OF FORCE AND THEY TALKED ABOUT LEAVE.
THE FORCE CAN BE USED ON A FLEEING FELON.
UM, SAUNDERS WONDERING, DOES THAT MEAN THEY, THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT THE IS A FELON OR LET'S SAY THE PERSON ISN'T A FELON, RIGHT.
BUT LET'S SAY HE'S COMMITTED A CRIME AND HE'S RUNNING AWAY THAT MAYBE YOU CAN'T SHOOT THAT PERSON.
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OF A QUESTION.IT JUST, WHEN I READ IT JUST SAYS, CAUSE THEY USE A FENDER.
THE ONLY, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT, IT'S THE ONLY SENTENCE WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT A FELON.
BUT IN OTHER, WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, HE'S TALK ABOUT A FENDER.
SOMEONE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S MAYBE COMMITTING A CRIME, THEY DON'T USE THE TERM FELON, BUT THEY, THEY JUST SAY IT IN THIS CASE, THEY CAN USUALLY THE FORCE, IF SOMEONE'S FLEEING.
DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY THAT CAN THEY SHOOT THEM IN THE BACK? I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST, I'M JUST, IT'S JUST A QUESTION I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW THAT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.
YOU NEVER GET A REFERENCE FOR THAT.
I DON'T HAVE, IF YOU SAY INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, SO IT'S OF THE USE OF FORCE POLICY.
IT'S ON, IT'S ON THAT, THE USE OF FORCE POLICY DOCUMENT.
I DON'T RECALL WHAT PAGE IT'S ON EIGHT.
BUT YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
I DON'T HAVE IT OPEN, BUT, UM, AND IT JUST KIND OF WALKS YOU THROUGH THE TYPES OF, UM, THE TYPES OF FORCE THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, I GUESS, APPLY WHEN THEY'RE FACED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH AN OFFENDER.
UM, YOU GUYS A VIDEO, ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS ONE, I HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT OR, OR I, IN TERMS OF HOW, UM, HOW THEY'RE RESPONDING, HOW THEIR HAND ON THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK SO.
I WAS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY, UH, PRETTY LENGTHY ONE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY NOISY, BUT IT'S ALSO A PRETTY SENSITIVE TOPIC AS WELL.
UH, BUT IF, IF I WAS JUST GOOGLING AND READING SOME OF THE ARTICLES, JUST FROM SOME OF, UH, SOME OF THE, THE POLICE ASSOCIATIONS AND THEN ON, SO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM, THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSING SOME OF, UH, SOME OF THE TACTICS AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE, UH, THE SECTIONS AND THE POLICIES AND THE LEVELS THAT HAVE INSIDE OF HERE ARE SUPPOSEDLY LIKE ALIGNED WITH SOME OF THE BETTER, UM, SOME OF THE BETTER POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, SO FOR ME THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD.
AND YOU NEED TO SEE WAS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SECTIONS THAT HAVE IN HERE ARE, ARE LAUDED WITHIN SOME OF, SOME OF THE HIGHER, YOU KNOW, POLICE COMMUNITIES FOR, FOR, FOR OUTLINING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS, USE OF FORCE.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THE, UH, CHOKEHOLD SECTION STRATEGIES PROBABLY TO BE MORE OF A, A, UH, A DISCUSSION TOPIC, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD FROM YOUR SIDE, YOUR TYPICAL CIVILIAN, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE.
AGAIN, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
ANYBODY ELSE, ERIC, TARA, I THINK I'M GOOD THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO THAT DEADLY FORCE WAS PAGE 78, SIX B.
UH, AN OFFICER IS AUTHORIZED TO USE DEADLY FORCE TO PREVENT THE ESCAPE OF A VIOLENT FLEEING FELON.
ONLY WHEN THE SUSPECT POSES A CLEAR AND IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEATH OR SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY TO ANY PERSON, IF NOT APPREHENDED, WITHOUT DELAY.
AND IF SOME WARNINGS HAVEN'T GIVEN.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE THAT ONE, RIGHT? WHAT WAS THE, I KIND OF PAIR, I JUST WROTE SOME NOTES DOWN, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REPEATING THE LANGUAGE VERBATIM.
JUST TO GIVE YOU THE, WHERE IT WAS AND THEN, UM, INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, IMPACT WEAPONS AND LESS LETHAL MUNITIONS.
I'M GUESSING LIKE THE, UM, SAND BAGS OR THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY SHOOT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO CONTROL THE RIOTS OR WHATEVER THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS BAD, UM, AND CAUSE A LOT OF INJURY.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE FOR THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, UH, WEAPONS ARE OUTLINED IN A GENERAL OR ONE OH FOUR SECTION THREE LESS LETHAL AND TO HAVE IMPACT.
AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THE, I GUESS, WEAPONS THAT ARE CATEGORIZED UNDER THERE.
SO IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL IN GENERAL ORDER ONE OR FOUR SECOND, THREE.
UH, NO MORE COMMENTS ON, ON ITEM THREE.
SO IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, SAYING, ENSURE TRANSPARENCY,
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ACCOUNTABILITY, AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITIES BY REQUIRING FRONT FACING CAMERAS TO BE ACTIVELY ACTIVELY RECORDING FOR ALL ON DUTY OFFICERS AND ENSURE AT LEAST TWO CREWS WITH CAMERAS ARE UTILIZED IN EACH AND EVERY BEING IN EVERY POLICE, ALL POLICE CAR, ONE FACING TOWARDS THE STREET AND THE OTHER FACING TOWARD THE PERSON TO CUSTODY.SO, UM, SO I KNOW WHAT WAS THE NAVY USED TO TRUCK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, RIGHT? THEY UBERIZE POLICE DEPARTMENT APPROVED THE USE OF, UM, BODY CAMERAS.
UM, I NOW I DON'T KNOW, UM, IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT, AND THEIR POLICE CRUISERS, DO THEY HAVE A CAMERA, TWO CAMERAS, ONE POINTING FORWARD, ONE POINTING IN THE REAR? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE QUESTION THEY, SO THEY JUST SAY HERE YOU, OKAY.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A IN CAMERA SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALL POSITIVE SEIZURES.
FOUND IN GENERAL WHAT A FIVE OH FIVE, BUT IT, MAYBE THAT SPILLS OUT SPECIFICALLY HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED IN THE CRUISERS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A COPY OF THE GENERAL ORAL FIVE OH FIVE.
DO WE? I DON'T THINK THAT WAS INCLUDED.
UM, BUT UH, YEAH, FIVE OH FIVE IS IN THERE.
AND I THINK, LET ME TRY TO GET IN HERE.
I THINK THE WORK THAT THEY DID FOR THE RESEARCH ON THE BODY CAMS, I THINK THAT IT WAS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, A COPY.
SO, UM, SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE AT THIS POINT IS I KNOW YOU'VE GOT AN IMPROVED, DO THEY HAVE THEM, ARE THEY WEARING THEM? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT'D BE THE ONLY THING I'D ADD, ARE THEY CURRENTLY ALL WEARING BODY CAMERAS? AND UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY REAL QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, DID IT, WHEN'S THE IMPLEMENTATION GOING IN, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO KNOW.
KIND OF WHAT THE STATUS IS THERE.
UM, YEAH, MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE IN-CAMERA SYSTEM.
DO THEY HAVE MEANING THE HOUR THEY IMPLEMENTED IN, IN THE VEHICLE? RIGHT.
SO JUST A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT, HOW THAT'S INSTALLED.
UM, THAT'S ALL, BUT AGAIN, PEER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT, THAT POINT.
SO ANYBODY ELSE, TARA ON EVERYBODY? EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
I JUST THINK WE JUST NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
WHEN DOES IT BECOME AVAILABLE? YES, EXACTLY.
SO THE NEXT ONE TALKS ABOUT TRAINING.
SO, UH, THEY SAY INCLUDING THE COURTS FOR ANY OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND EMPHASIS ON MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT, DEESCALATING CONFLICTS AND IMPROVING COMMUNITY RELATIONS.
SO, UM, SO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE, I GUESS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THEY'RE TRAINED ANNUALLY ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
UM, SO I GUESS THEY'RE SOMEWHAT, THEY'RE TAUGHT HOW TO HANDLE AND DEAL WITH THOSE WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES.
UM, AND TALK ABOUT THIS PRICELESS CARE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THAT ORGANIZATION OR THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY WORK IN CONCERT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
BUT, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DO GO THROUGH SOME TRAINING IN DEALING WITH, UM, INDIVIDUALS WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
UM, NOW WHAT I DIDN'T SEE, UM, YEAH, IT'D BE GOOD TO MAYBE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW OFFICERS ARE TO RESPOND WHEN DEALING WITH A KNOWN PERSON AT MENTAL HEALTH MORE FOR OUR EDIFICATION AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW? UM, SO YEAH, AGAIN, DRIVING AGAINST AN INSIGHT BY THEY GET TRAINING.
SO WHAT DO THEY TYPICALLY DO IN A SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT HAS HAS AN ISSUE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO, OR LIKE FOR US TO MAYBE UNDERSTAND.
UM, BUT THE THING THAT THEY DON'T SPEAK TO IS AS YOU TIE IT BACK TO WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR IS DEESCALATING, WELL, THE ESCALATING CONFLICTS, MAYBE THEY ALL TALKING, MAYBE THEY'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF JUST THOSE WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
BUT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON'S MENTAL HEALTH OR NOT.
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YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF DEESCALATE DEESCALATION TRAINING OR, OR THEY'VE DONE THINGS IN RECENT YEARS TO, TO, UH, POLICIES TO LOOK AT, TO GO ABOUT USING SOME NEWER DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES.UM, BUT MAYBE, UM, BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IN RECENT YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL STEPS BEING TAKEN TO DEESCALATE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
WELL, I THINK WHAT THE NAACP AIR CAUSE LOOKING FOR IS, UH, SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CALL IN AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, I GOT A LOVED ONE, THIS, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH A CRISIS MOMENT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME.
AND I THINK WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR IS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DO THEY HAVE A CONNECTION WITH CRISIS CARE? SO THAT CRISIS CARE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN SHOW UP BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SPECIALISTS IN MENTAL HEALTH.
ONCE A YEAR WE GO DO A EIGHT HOUR TRAINING.
DOES THAT MAKE THEM SUFFICIENT? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO, BUT I THINK HAVING SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR, UM, UH, LIKE YOUR CALL CENTER, YOU KNOW, IT S EQUIPPED WITH HANDLING THESE TYPES OF CASES AND UNDERSTAND WHEN A CALLER IS CALLING IN SOMETHING.
I THINK IT SENDS THE, WHEN THE OFFICER HAS TO RESPOND TO THE SCENE AND SAY, THERE'S CRISIS CARE DOES WITH THEM.
THEN I THINK THE SITUATION WOULD PROBABLY BE HANDLED A LOT DIFFERENTLY VERSUS A PERSON JUST GOING THERE.
AND I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH PERSON OR BEHAVIORS OR WHATEVER.
AND I HANDLED A SITUATION MAYBE TOO AGGRESSIVELY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, IT DIDN'T GET, GET INTO A PROBLEM.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR IS OKAY, I GET IT.
YOU'RE DOING SOME TRAINING AND WHATNOT.
WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT ARE YOU TRYING TO INTEGRATE CRISIS CARE WITHIN YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE OF SOME ASSISTANCE TO YOU? YEAH, NO, TOTALLY AGREE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF BACK TO, I BE GOOD TO WHEN WE TALK WITH THEM.
WE LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PROCESS IS BY, WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY DO WHEN AGAIN, YOU GET A CALL IN, YOU KNOW, THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS DO, DO YOU, ALONG WITH THE CRISIS CARE SHOW UP TOGETHER? I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, BUT IT'D BE GOOD IF THEY COULD EXPLAIN HOW DO THEY WORK IN CONCERT WITH CRISIS CARE.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE INDICATING HERE, UM, THAT, THAT, YEAH.
I JUST THINK, YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND, UM, CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE HEARD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S THAT'S HAPPENED.
AND I THINK EVEN CERTAIN, I THINK EVEN IN COLORADO, I THINK I READ WHERE THEY HAVE A CERTAIN GROUP THAT GOES OUT, THEY KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHAT THEY KNOW, THEY HAVE A SITUATION WHERE INDIVIDUALS DEALING WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.
THEY SEND A TEAM OUT, THEY BUILD A SITUATION BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE POLICE GET INVOLVED, I GUESS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF TRYING TO DEESCALATE AND TO KEEP A SITUATION FROM TURNING REALLY BAD.
SO I THINK IT JUST, IF THEY COULD JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN TO US HOW THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH IN TERMS OF HOW THAT ACTUALLY MANIFEST ITSELF.
IS ALL I'M ASKING FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS FORM OR BY AN AGREEMENT ON THIS ONE.
LET'S UH, R I, SO LET'S GO TO ITEM SIX.
SO BAN THE USE OF KNEE HOLDS AND CHOKE HOLDS AS AN ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE FOR A POLICE OFFICER.
AND SO, UM, UBERIZE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY, UH, DRAFTED A REVISION, I GUESS, TO THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, TO, TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, SPECIFY THE PROHIBITED, UM, THE PROHIBITION OF USING NECK HOLD AS DEFINED IN THE POLICY.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS, OKAY, THEY HAVE IT IN DRAFT.
IT JUST HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE UPDATED, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU KNOW, WITH ANY DOCUMENT, RIGHT.
YOU GO THROUGH THESE DRAFTS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS TO TAKE IT BACK TO A CONFIGURATION CONTROL BOARD.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT, SO WE, AND WE'RE CHANGING SPECIFICATIONS.
YOU GOT A WHOLE PROCESS TO GET THESE THINGS APPROVED AND THEN, UH, AND THEN PRINTED IT AND RELEASED IF YOU WILL.
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QUESTION HERE IS, UH, KIND OF WHERE ARE THEY IN THIS PROCESS, RIGHT.IN TERMS OF BANNING IT, YOU KNOW, AND DOES THEIR RIGHT DESERT DOCUMENTATION OR WHEN WILL THE DOCUMENTATION BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE, HEY, THIS IS PRIVATE, BUT I THOUGHT I READ SOMETHING THROUGH THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT BANNING OR PROHIBITING NICOLE'S.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THOUGHT THEY SPOKES AS SOMETHING THAT HAS TALKED ABOUT CHOKE HOLDS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW THAT OR NOT, BUT LET THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, TRYING TO FIND THAT.
I THINK I SAW THAT TOO, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN, IT'S IN WORK, THAT'S IN PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BAN THIS, THEN YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS AGAIN THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY TO, ON THEIR WAY TOWARDS BEING COMPLIANT WITH WHAT'S BEING ASKED, I GUESS.
SO I DO THAT SAYS THAT THE MC HOLDS AS DEFINED IN THE POLICY ARE PROHIBITED AS A ROUTINE DEFENSE OF CONTROL OF MEET THE TECHNIQUE EXCEPT WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS JUSTIFIED, UH, SECTION THREE LEVELS CAN, UH, LEVELS OF CONTROL, UH, ITEMS C UM, THREE, ONE, I DON'T HAVE A PAGE NUMBER.
SO I'M FLIPPING THROUGH THE PAGES.
UM, BUT IT SAYS IT'S BASICALLY PROHIBITED THAT COLDS ARE PROHIBITED, PROHIBITED, EXCEPT WHEN DEADLY FORCE IS JUSTIFIED.
I WONDER WHAT THAT SCENARIO, IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S BEEN SUBDUED.
CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE MAKING AN EXCEPTION.
UM, BUT DOES WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION OR WHAT THEY HAVE IN DRAFT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE READING IS WHAT'S ALREADY DOCUMENTED, RIGHT.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE ONE OH THREE RIGHT NOW IN THE, IS IT THE ONE OH THREE USE OF FORCE THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE? I'M ACTUALLY CON I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, THAT'S S THAT'S A ASSIGNED WITH STRATEGY SIX IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE, UH, FROM EARLIER.
LET ME PULL IT UP REAL FAST FOR STRATEGY NUMBER THREE.
SO HERE'S A FOREST, ONE OF THREES INSIDE OF THE RESPONSE TWICE, ONCE FOR STRATEGY THREE, AND THEN ONCE FOR STRATEGY, SIX STRATEGIES, THREE USE OF FORCE DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T REFERENCE THE, UM, NET COLDS, BUT THE USE OF FORCE UNDER A STRATEGY SIX DOES.
SO THERE'S TWO VERSIONS OF THAT USE OF FORCE POLICY WITHIN THIS RESPONSE.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SITS DRAFT, BECAUSE IF IT WAS DRAFTED WOULD BE LIKE THE, THE BODY CAMERA USE OF FORCE.
WELL, THE BODY CAMERA ORDERED THAT HAD DRAFT AND CYPRESS HEADING THIS ONE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I, I'M CONFUSED WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THESE TOOLS INSIDE OF THE RESPONSE, BECAUSE YEAH.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE JUST NEED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THE LANGUAGE IS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE LANGUAGE CURRENTLY STATES AND, AND IF THERE'S CHANGES BEING MADE TO IT, I GUESS.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S JUST WHAT, YEAH.
WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT, SO.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, TARA? ERIC? NO.
SO ACTIVELY VET ALL APPLICANTS AND RECRUIT OFFICERS THAT ARE REFLECTIVE AND, UH, A PROPORTIONATE REPRESENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE.
AND IT TALKED ABOUT DOING THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS, RIGHT.
USE THAT AS A PART OF THE HIRING PROCESS.
UM, THEN HE TALKED ABOUT YEAH.
BEING HIRED WITH REGARDS TO DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION.
SO AS YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW, I THINK HE EVEN HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ROB ABOUT THIS, JUST ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE, OF THE
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POLICE FORCE.UM, EVEN FOR, I THINK THE COMMISSION EVEN, UH, UM, STARTED A STOOD UP.
AND SO I THINK HE MENTIONED THERE WAS ONLY ONE AND IT WAS A ONE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OFFICER ON THE POLICE FORCE.
UM, THEY SAID THERE WAS MAYBE AN AGENT I CAN'T REMEMBER AT THAT TIME, THE CALL, BUT, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE, IF WE MAKE UP, IF AFRICAN AMERICANS MAKE UP 13% OF THE POPULATION, RIGHT.
IF WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE FALLING SHORT OF TRYING TO, UH, MEET THAT, MEET THAT PERCENTAGE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S LIKE 50 SOMETHING THAT HE TOLD ME.
IT WAS LIKE 50 PLUS OFFICERS, I BELIEVE ON THE BRIDE'S POLICE FORCE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY, THEY S THEY SAY, YEP.
YOU KNOW, THEY CONTINUE TO STRIVE TO, UM, TO ATTAIN ETHNIC AND RACIAL AND GENDER COMPOSITION WITHIN THE OPS, WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, UH, SAY THEY HAVE A RECRUITING PLAN UNDER ORDER FOUR OH ONE AS A RECRUITMENT PRACTICES, WHICH IS THEIR RECRUITMENT PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES.
IT WAS PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION.
UM, AND I THINK THEY, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT THE OTHER DAY.
I THOUGHT THEY, THEY, THEY SAID THEY, THEY DO, UM, WELL, IF YOU HAVEN'T FUNDED, BUT THEY DO REACH OUT TO CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO TRY AND RECRUIT, UH, MINORITIES.
BUT I SAW SOMEWHERE THAT IT SAID THAT, BUT, UM, BUT I GUESS MY BIGGER QUESTION IS, YEAH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT SPECIFIC STEPS ARE BEING TARGETED, RIGHT.
TO RECRUIT PEOPLE OF COLOR AND, UM, AND THEN KIND OF WHAT IS THE TRACK RECORD, RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE MAKEUP OF THE POLICE OR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TODAY, BUT WHAT HAS REALLY BEEN A TRACK RECORD FOR HIRING MINORITIES? RIGHT.
AND, AND AGAIN, ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOKING TO, UH, TAKE SOME SORT OF EXTRA INITIATIVE RIGHT.
TO, TO GO AFTER RECRUITING, UH, PEOPLE OF COLOR? UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY ONE INDIVIDUAL ON TO, OR AT LEAST I THOUGHT I CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, RACES OR ETHNICITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION MAYBE ABOUT THIS AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO, TO TRY AND MAKE THIS, MAKE THE POLICE FORCE MORE REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, THE OTHER THOUGHTS, UH, AS TO FARMS. YEAH.
I THINK IT WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, NEED TO ASK ROB, OKAY, WHAT EFFORTS ARE BEING DONE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A GOOD REPRESENTATION, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT EFFORTS ARE DONE OR WHATEVER IT'S ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO DO TO GET IT WHERE THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT DOES REPRESENT MORE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT SERVES.
SO, CAUSE IF YOU SAY IT IS WHAT YOU SAID, 50 50 OFFICE, I THINK IT WAS 50 PLUS OFFICES.
IF I'M, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME, THIS WAS OVER THE SUMMER.
I THINK WHEN I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AT THE, WHEN THEY HAD THAT, UH, THE, UH, PEACEFUL PROTEST THAT HE BRIDES, YOU KNOW, OVER THE SUMMER AND, UH, HE WAS OUT THERE AND THAT'S WHEN I MET HIM AND WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE THING, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE DOING ENOUGH? RIGHT.
AND WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS CAN BE DONE, UH, TO, UM, TO ADDRESS THAT SHORTFALL, BECAUSE YOU'RE THINKING, SO IF THERE'S 50 OFFICERS, AND IF YOU JUST SAY THE MINORITY COMMUNITY REPRESENTS 15%, THAT'S AT LEAST EIGHT OFFICERS, BUT I MEAN, IT COMES OUT TO BE SEVEN AND A HALF, BUT YOU CAN'T HIRE A HALF PERSON.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ROUND UP.
SO THAT'S GOT TO AT LEAST BE EIGHT, IF YOU GOT ONE, YOU KNOW, AND IF THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE TRACK RECORD OF ONE OR TWO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISCONNECT THIS THERE, RIGHT.
AND ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, WELL, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE TWO COULD BE, YOU KNOW,
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ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR INTERESTED IN BECOMING POLICE OFFICERS, RIGHT.I'M SURE THAT IS A CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT.
BUT IN REALITY, WE DO NEED TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE OF COLOR ON THE POLICE FORCE.
IT'S JUST, THAT JUST NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
HOW DO WE CHANGE THAT PERCEPTION, I THINK, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS, AGAIN, UH, MINORITIES, PEOPLE OF COLOR TO WANT TO BE ON THE POLICE FORCE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE APPS, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SENIORS GETTING READY TO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
AND OF COURSE, EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EVEN FOR THE SENIORS, RIGHT.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
YOU KNOW, COULD THEY BE SOME SORT OF LIKE CAREER FAIR? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, A DAY WHERE MAYBE THE POLICE OFFICERS COME IN AND TALK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE, TO THE YOUTH.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE MALE OR FEMALE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HELP BREAK DOWN SOME OF THE PERCEPTIONS AND SOME OF THE BARRIERS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RELATIONSHIP BUILDING TOO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF IT BEING IN A SITUATION WHERE I'VE BEEN PULLED OVER BY POLICE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MORE OF A CONFRONTATIONAL THING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A DIFFERENT SETTING WHERE, HEY, POLICE OFFICER COME IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THE EXPERIENCE AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WONDERFUL BENEFITS OF BEING A POLICE OFFICER, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME SORT OF, UM, A MEETING OR A GET TOGETHER WHERE, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICER COME IN AND TALK TO THE YOUTH TO, TO ENCOURAGE THEM THAT, HEY, THIS IS A GREAT CAREER FIELD TO GO INTO.
I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE, IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, UH, WHAT IF WE, MAYBE WE COULD AS ROB A COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO DO COMMUNITY RIDE ALONGS TO TRY TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE? I THINK THAT MAY BE, COULD BE ONE, UH, MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GOT THE POLICE ACADEMY, BUT MAYBE TRY TO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN MAYBE A CITIZENS ACADEMY WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THIS TYPE OF TRAINING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD DO, UM, TO HELP BETTER UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THE JOB IS OF A POLICE OFFICER THAT KIND OF DEAL TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE SOME COMMUNITY, UM, ENGAGEMENT.
I THINK WE USED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AVENUES TO, TO THAT, RIGHT.
AND PARTICULARLY I WANT TO TARGET THE YOUTH.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY YOUNG UH, AFRICAN-AMERICAN UH, YOUNG PEOPLE OF COLOR MALES RIGHT.
YOU KNOW? UM, CAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, UH, SO SOME ISSUES THERE.
AND SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT SO MUCH IT AND SOME OF US, HEY, GETTING GUYS TO BE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE POLICE FORCE, BUT EVEN IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
IT'S MORE SO I THINK IF THE POLICE OFFICERS CAN DO RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE LESS LIKELY TO, UM, HAVE A, A, MAYBE A VIOLENT CONFRONTATION.
LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? CAUSE YOU KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL, RIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT'S LOOKING AT WAYS AGAIN A AGAIN, COMMUNITY-BASED COMMUNITY-BASED POLICING.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT.
BUT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TOO, MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE FROM A, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT.
I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY AGGRESSIVE, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT REALLY MAKES SENSE OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THIS NUMBER OF EIGHT, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE 15% RIGHT.
UM, WHEN THERE'S OPENINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ALMOST LIKE KIND OF LIKE THE NFL, THEIR ROONEY RULE DON'T REALLY WORK, BUT IN THEORY, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK, I GOT TO INTERVIEW SO MANY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MINORITY CANDIDATES, BUT MAYBE IT'S A SITUATION WHERE GUESS WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOT FOUR OPENINGS.
ONE OF THEM HAS, WE GOT TO FILL IT WITH A MINORITY IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, FILL THAT, YOU KNOW, FILL THESE NEXT THREE OR FOUR POSITIONS WE GOT, MAYBE THAT'S GOTTA BE SOME PRESSURE ON, YOU KNOW, THE HIRING PROCESS.
I MEAN, I NOTICED KIND OF AGGRESSIVE, BUT I JUST THINK
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IF YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING HARD AND IN PLACE IS EASY FOR ME TO SAY, I DON'T HAVE THE CANDIDATES.AND IF THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ME TO GO GET THEM, I JUST THINK THAT'S AN EASY WAY OUT.
I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, IT NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEIR WHOLE RECRUITING AND HIRING PRACTICES AND POLICIES.
ENSURE THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN.
UM, TO, UM, IF YOU WILL LIKE TO MAKE THE POLICE FORCE MORE DIVERSE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AT LEAST DO EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR CONTROL.
UM, SO I THINK THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE, YEAH.
THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF I, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE MAN, LISTEN, WE DON'T HAVE NOBODY IN OHIO, WE GET HIRED, BUT WE GOT TO FILL THIS SPOT.
SO WE'VE GOT TO FIND SOMEBODY IN ILLINOIS AND YOU KNOW, THE NEXT AVAILABLE STATE OR WHATEVER THE IS, IT HAS, I THINK IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, I GOT TO FILL THIS SPOT BECAUSE IF YOU JUST LEAVE IT UP TO ME TO JUST KEEP WORKING MY NORMAL PRACTICES, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET THERE.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE GET THERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE.
YOU'RE SPOT ON ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? GOOD.
SO LET'S, UM, MOVE TO OUR LAST LAST POINT, WHICH IS PROVIDE VIDEO FOOTAGE OF ALL SHOOTINGS AND ARREST RESULTING IN LOSS OF LIFE, AS WELL AS ALLEGED POLICE BRUTALITY, ANY REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
HOLD ON, LET ME CLOSE MY DOOR HERE.
CAUSE I DIDN'T GET SOME BACKGROUND AND MY DOG KEEPS WANTING TO COME IN THE ROOM HERE ANYWAY.
I'M TRYING TO SAY, DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE OR DO YOU WANT TO STAY? ALL RIGHT, COME ON.
SO THIS ONE HERE, UM, I GUESS IT TALKED TOO ABOUT STRICT LAWS AND GUIDANCE OR GUIDELINES FOR RELEASING PUBLIC RECORDS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT POLICY SAYS.
RIGHT? YOU TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL ORDER NINE OH TWO THAT SPEAKS TO THAT.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT IT WHAT'S ENTAILED THERE AND KIND OF WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT WHAT'S INVOLVED THERE AND WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THERE.
UM, AND I ASSUME THEY'VE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST DON'T RECALL ANY SITUATION WHERE UBER HAS, WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO RELEASE POLICE FOOTAGE, RIGHT.
UH, FROM A PARTICULAR INCIDENT OR SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF HOW THEY HANDLED THAT OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY JUST DIDN'T RELEASE IT OR NOT, OR WHAT THE CASE WOULD BE.
SO, UM, I DUNNO, I JUST THINK WE JUST MAYBE NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT GENERAL ORDER NOW TO STATES AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WELL, A LOT OF THE VERBIAGE WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE A COURT APPOINTED ORDER TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY UP WITH ACP WAS ASKING FOR WAS, HEY, IF YOU HAVE THIS FAR AS TRANSPARENCY AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, TRYING TO LOWER ANXIETY TO PEOPLE IS JUST MAKE THAT FOOTAGE AVAILABLE.
BUT UNTIL YOU GET MORE, I THINK THE BODY CAMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALLY HAVE THAT TO SHOW.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I GOT OUT OF.
THIS WAS A LOT OF COURT ORDERED VIDEO INFORMATION.
I WAS THINKING WELL, SO YOU HAVE THE IN-CAMERA RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THE, THEY HAVE THE, THE IN-CAR CAMERA, RIGHT.
SO I GUESS IN MY MIND, IT'S, I ASSUME THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF PROCESS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE BEFORE THEY CAN JUST RELEASE IT TO THE PUBLIC, IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT.
THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS BY THE STATE OF OHIO THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW BEFORE THEY CAN DO IT.
NOT THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT, BUT THERE'S AGAIN, SOME PRO MAYBE IT SAYS THAT THEY CAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, AGAIN, THERE'S SOME GUIDANCE, SOME LAW THAT
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DICTATES THAT PROCESS OF RELEASING, UM, VIDEO FOOTAGE.AND SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
UM, BUT YEAH, CAN THEY, WHY CAN'T THEY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT AVAILABLE RELATIVELY QUICKLY? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, SO MAYBE THEY CAN EXPLAIN THAT TO US.
THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M THINKING AT THIS POINT.
I GOT OUT OF THERE TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING, THE TIME, WHAT DOES THE TIME GO? IT GOES QUICKLY AND IT'S FINE.
I WILL SLAP MY CAMERA OFF AND RUN IF I HAVE TO PERFECTLY FINE.
I DID IT TO MYSELF AND I KNOW I MOVED IT UP A HALF.
IT FORWARD AN HOUR OR HALF HOUR.
SO PUTTING MORE CONSTRAINT ON YOUR MEETINGS IN BETWEEN.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE'VE CAPTURED SOME OF OUR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, IF YOU WILL.
WHEN YOU PULL THAT TOGETHER, YOU'LL SEND THAT OUT.
UM, I HAVE, UM, ALMOST RESTED THE TENNIS ELBOW ENOUGH, THAT EIGHT HOURS OF TYPING IS NO LONGER, INCREDIBLY EXCRUCIATING.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST CAPTURING THE THINGS THAT WE AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO ASK ROB ABOUT.
EITHER WE HAVE, OR CLARIFICATION IS THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, BECAUSE WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL SEND SOMETHING TO ROB SAYING, YOU KNOW, HEY, HERE'S SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS, HEY, LOOK FORWARD TO MAYBE HAVING, I ASSUME YOU WANT TO WRITE DURING OUR NEXT MEETING, BRING HIM IN, HAVE A CONVERSATION TO HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT THESE KATE POINTS.
I ASSUME THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAY END UP TAKING A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
CAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM TO FEEL RUSHED.
LET'S EXPLAIN THIS THROUGH, BECAUSE OUT OF THIS, I KIND OF SEE SOME ACTIONS FOR US.
LIKE WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? SO LIKE IN THE FIRST ONE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITIZEN'S REVIEW, WELL, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE SUBPOENA ISSUE AND WHATNOT AND WHAT HAVE YOU IS OKAY WITH THE BODY CAM, YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND OR TRY TO DO HERE, SO, RIGHT.
WE'LL TAKE OUR TIME HERE, SO, OKAY, COOL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT THEY WANT TO COVER? EVERYBODY GOOD? YEP.
IF WE STICK WITH THE THIRD MONDAY WOULD BE ONE 18, 2021 AND THEY JUST STARTED JACKHAMMERING MY STREET OUTSIDE.
THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION, UH, NO, NOT PRESENT TODAY.
THE, THE AS RELATES TO THE DATE AND REFORM WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, WITH THEIR POLICE REFORM.
UH, AND THE FACT THAT I KNOW THEY'VE, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY LARGE CONTINGENT OF FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, SERVING ON THIS POLICE REFORM, UM, INITIATIVE.
AND IT MAY BE GOOD CAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE, THE DIFFERENT GROUPS MAY BE GOOD TO MAYBE AT SOME POINT TO REACH OUT TO SOME OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, TO GET SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SEE IF THERE'S SOME LESSONS LEARNED OR SOME THINGS THAT WE, WE CAN BRING BACK AS, AS RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FROM, FROM THEIR ACTIVITIES.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I, I KNOW, UH, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO DR.
DEREK FORD, DEREK FORD, UH, THE FORWARD F O R D F O R W F O R W FORWARD FORWARD.
SO I MAY REACH OUT TO HIM, BUT BASED WITH, UH, DARRYL FAIRCHILD AS WELL, UH, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REACH OUT TO HIM, BUT HE'S, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT SITS ON THE, THE HEAD OF ONE OF THOSE SUB COMMITTEES AND THE DATE RELEASE FORM.
UM, THE 18TH, I APOLOGIZE IS MLK DAY.
DO WE WANT TO MEET THE 11TH THROUGH THE 25TH INSTEAD?
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YEAH, LET'S PUSH IT TO THE 25TH.I KNOW FOLKS ARE PROBABLY, I MEAN, WE COULD DO THE 11TH, PROBABLY THIS COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I'M SURE BY JUST THINKING ABOUT CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S AND RELAXING SO WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE INTO THE FOLLOWING WEEK IF EVERYONE ELSE IS GOOD WITH THAT.
WELL LADIES AND GENTS OR LADY AND JETS THAT, UH, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND THIS PD IS 7:53 PM.
WOULD YOU SAY SHE'S IMPRESSIVE.
TAKE CARE OF MERRY CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY.
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GOOD.HOW ARE YOU DOING? I STARTED A JACK IN MY STREET, SO THAT'S FUN.
I WAS JUST AT THE MEETING WITH REPORT, BUT I WATCHED LIKE THE TRUCK PULLED OUT AND THEN THE NEXT CAR PULLED OUT, DOWN THE STREET AND THEY'RE OUT THERE.
THE WATER MUST BE A WATER MAIN BREAK THEY'RE OUT THERE, JACKSON HIGH STREETS.
SO, UM, IF THE DOGS ARE GOING NUTS AND IT'S NOISY, THAT'S WHY, I DON'T KNOW IF RHONDA HAS THE LINK.
SO I JUST FORWARD IT TO HER TO MAKE SURE.
UM, SINCE I'M STILL ON THE LAST CALL, I DIDN'T SEE HER IN THAT EMAIL IN ALL HONESTY, BUT WE CAN WAIT FOR HER TO JOIN OR WE CAN GET STARTED EITHER WAY.
WE CAN WAIT A COUPLE MINUTES FOR HEIDI.
YOU ALL READY FOR CHRISTMAS? NOT AT ALL.
LIKE WHATEVER CAME IN THE LAST DAY DOES THAT ORDER? THAT WAS IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ANYWHERE EVERYBODY'S OUT OF STUFF.
SO THAT'S THE YOU SNOOZE, YOU LOSE THE MATTER.
THEY NEED THAT CONVERSATION WITH MINE, FOR SURE.
WELL, DO YOU HEAR FROM HER? I MEAN, SHE JUST SENT SOMETHING, AN EMAIL.
UM, IT WAS A LINK FOR, OH, I SEE AN EMAIL FROM HER.
OH, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT HAD THIS, UH, OH, IT'S THE HBO, THE HUB HOUSE BILL.
SHE WANTED US TO TALK ABOUT THE SEVEN EIGHT FOR THE HOUSE BILL, WHICH I CAN ONLY ASSUME IS,
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ARE YOU THERE, RHONDA? DID YOU MAKE IT? YES.CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? WE CAN NOW.
WELL IN THAT, I GUESS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL, UH, THE MEETING OF THE ADVOCACY MEETING TO ORDER, UH, 8:03 PM.
I DON'T EVEN HAVE MY AGENDA PULLED UP YET.
UM, I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF OPEN.
NO, I DIDN'T EVEN ADD, I'M GOING TO GET MY LIFE TOGETHER SHORTLY.
I PROMISE LADIES, UM, DIDN'T ADD MINUTES TO THE AGENDA, BUT I DID SEND YOU, UM, OCTOBER'S MINUTES.
I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO FINISH NOVEMBER'S UM, IN MEETING WITH THE GENTLEMAN ON THE REFORM COMMITTEE.
AND I SAID, MY NOTES WERE A LITTLE TOO MUCH INFORMATION NOW.
SO I PROMISED THAT WE'LL FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN A COMPLETE DICTATION AND A COMPLETE, JUST OUTLINE OF EVENTS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I GUESS WE COULD DO ROLL CALL FIRST.
UM, MS. MRS. STEPHENS, DEAR MS. I AM HERE.
UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE AGENDA BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER? NO.
UM, CAN WE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OCTOBER'S MINUTES? UM, AS THEY STAND, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE? WHEN I SENT THOSE EARLIER, I WAS NOT A PART OF THE OCTOBER MEETING.
UM, CAN WE SEEN THE MINUTES? YEAH.
I SAID THEM EARLIER TODAY, BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW, WE CAN, IT'S, IT'S MY FAULT.
I CHRISTMAS SEASON AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S JUST THE CHAOS.
SO, UM, I'M ACTUALLY OFF WORK AFTER THURSDAY FOR LIKE 10 DAYS OR SO.
AND I PLAN ON PLAYING CATCH UP ON A LOT OF THINGS.
UM, WE CAN TABLE THAT IF YOU GUYS WANT.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK TOGETHER NEXT MONTH WE COULD DO BOTH OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, AND DECEMBER.
I'M SORRY IF ALL HECK BREAKS LOOSE OVER HERE, THEY'RE JACKHAMMERING THE STREET OUT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND IT MAKES THE DOGS A LITTLE NUTS, UM, OLD BUSINESS, UM, THE PRIORITY INITIATIVES, UM, THE UPDATES THERE, I CAN'T SAY I'VE HAD A LOT OF MOVEMENT, UM, BUT I AM GOING TO TAKE, WHAT I DID PUT DOWN WAS ACTIONS, UM, THAT I WILL BE TAKING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WILL BE TO, UM, MAKE CONTACT WITH THE EDUCATION GROUP AND ROB, UM, IN TANDEM TO WORK ON THAT EMAIL ADDRESS, UM, AND SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE CREATION OF THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
I KNOW THAT OR NOT THE FACEBOOK PAGE, MY GOODNESS, THE CITY PAGE FOR US UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY GOVERNMENT OR HOWEVER THAT WORKS.
HOW ARE YOU COMING BACK IN? WE LOST THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH NOTHING.
THERE WAS BIZARRE THAT THE MINUTES OR THE VIDEO FROM ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, SOMEBODY WAS TALKING, UM, JUST SAID ONE LITTLE SENTENCE AND WE NEVER CAUGHT IT DURING THE MEETING,
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BUT I CAUGHT IT IN THE REVIEW OF THE VIDEO.AND IT JUST AS CLEAR AS DAY, UM, THAT SOMEBODY WAS, WAS IN ON THAT VIDEO, IT'S REALLY VERY BIZARRE, ANY WHO'S.
UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE EDUCATION GROUP AND ROB, UM, TO WORK TOGETHER TO EITHER CREATE THAT SECURE EMAIL ADDRESS FOR OUR USE OR AN EMAIL GROUP, UM, TO FURTHER DEVELOP THAT THOUGHT OR THAT THOUGHT TRAIN ON HOW CITIZENS LODGE COMPLAINTS OR, UM, CAN BRING ISSUES TO LIGHT THAT ARE MAYBE NOT DIRECTLY, UM, POLICE RELATED.
AND THEN BECAUSE, AND, AND ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE THE POLICE RELATED HAVE A VERY STRICT PROCESS, UM, IN PLACE FOR REPORTING THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP AN ALREADY STANDING PROCESS IN PLACE FOR THOSE TYPE OF INVESTIGATIONS AND COMPLAINTS.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, SO THIS IS THE EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE COMMISSION IN WHICH COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN SEND IN LIKE CONCERNS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE DISCRIMINATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POLICE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IN SAYING THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THEIR PROCESS AND THEIR PROCESS IS THEY WILL ONLY REVIEW COMPLAINTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED ON A SPECIFIC FORM.
SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH OUR EMAIL, UM, OR AVENUES AND FEELING THAT THE POLICE ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT UP AS AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED ON THEIR SPECIFIC FORMS. SO THAT'S JUST MY FEAR THAT IN CREATION, IF WE INCLUDED THAT, THAT WE WOULD NOT, UNLESS WE DID IT IN TANDEM WITH THEIR INVESTIGATION AND THEIR FORMS, OR HAD THAT FORM ONLINE, UM, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO WAS TO, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT DONE AND HOW IS THAT CREATED? UM, AND WHERE IS THAT FORM ACCESSIBLE? YOU KNOW, DO YOU SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FILL OUT THIS FORM? SO THAT WAS MY ONLY HESITATION, UM, ON COMBINING THE TWO, UM, JUST BECAUSE, UH, I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT COULD NEGATE THE, THE ACTUAL INTERNAL INVESTIGATION YOU'RE MUTED.
BEBEE I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD AT LEAST LIKE, PROVIDE THEIR FORM ON OUR YEAH.
A LINK, UH, INSTRUCTIONS, UH, UH, HOW TO COMPLETE, UM, IT DOES SAY IN THE POLICIES THAT IT CAN BE LODGED, UM, ANONYMOUSLY OR NOT BY FORM OR BY PHONE CALL, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAD BROUGHT UP IN JUST MY LAST MEETING WAS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I HAVE TO, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE ENTITY AND THE ONENESS IS I HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FILL OUT THAT FORM IN ITSELF IS A BARRIER, RIGHT? FROM ALLOWING PEOPLE TO FULLY VOICE THEIR CONCERNS.
SO HAVE WE DEVELOPED, I GUESS FROM AN ADVOCACY STANDPOINT, THE PROCESS THAT WE WILL PUT IN PLACE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE STILL NEED TO DEVELOP? WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO STILL DEVELOP A PROCESS FOR US SPECIFICALLY FOR ADVOCACY.
WE HAD SPOKEN TO DEVELOPING A RESPONSE TO MAJOR INCIDENCES, BUT NOT OUR NORMAL PROCESS FOR FIELDING.
WANT TO LIKE WORK ON THAT NOW? OR WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ADD THAT TO A LATER, I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT COME MORE WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THIS WEBSITE MIGHT LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THE PROCESS FOR, EVEN IF WE ARE EXPECTED TO BE GOING THROUGH THIS COMPLAINT PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THAT IS STILL UP IN THE AIR.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT IT WAS RECEIVED THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP A PROCESS JUST FOR THAT TO GET AROUND THAT FEAR OF RETALIATION FOR PEOPLE.
AND I THINK MAYBE IF WE JUST START KIND OF DRAFTING THE PROCESS AS THEY'RE PUTTING THE WEBSITE EMAIL
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ADDRESS OR WHATEVER TOGETHER, THEN WE COULD HAVE THAT DONE BY THE TIME THEY'VE GOT THAT IN ORDER.AT LEAST MAYBE JUST AN OUTLINE.
AND IN THAT OUTLINE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THE COMPLAINT COMES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE ADVOCACY CHANNELS OR ARE WE JUST ADVOCATING FOR THIS EMAIL ADDRESS TO MAKE THINGS, I HATE IT EASIER FOR THE BROADER SCOPE OF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT GETS TO WHAT IS OUR, WHAT IS OUR GOAL OR OUR PURPOSE.
WE NEED TO, WE CAN REVISIT THAT NEED OF PURPOSE STATEMENT.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING A LITTLE BACKWARDS, BUT JUST ON THINGS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON ON THE BACK END.
UM, WELL, WHY ALL OF MY FORMS ARE LOOKING CRAZY.
I KNOW IF I CAN GET THIS AND WE WILL, I'LL SHARE MINE AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE WORK THROUGH QUICKLY TOGETHER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD SEEN MY, MY EDITS.
UM, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T ACTUALLY TANGLE WITH THIS EARLIER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, BACK AND FORTH ON THE STATEMENT OF THE PURPOSE OF THE BROADER COMMUNITY, THE BROADER COMMISSION.
AND IN THAT I KIND OF JUST PUT, UM, WERE THE ENDS OF THIS ALL PERSONS PUT A PERIOD THERE, SO IT STOPPED THE SENTENCE SO THAT IT DOESN'T FURTHER CHANGE THE FOCUS OF OUR BROADER COMMISSION, WHERE WE CAN LEAD IN THAT WE HAVE A FOCUS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE REFORM OR THAT THE COMMISSION WILL FOCUS, UM, ON PROMOTING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF, OR EXCUSE ME, WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF RACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UM, UM, WE COULD, THAT'S WHY I JUST REMOVED, UM, AT OTHER PART OUT OF HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RECRAFTING THIS.
UM, FIGURE IT OUT THAT BETTER.
LET ME GET RID OF ALUMS. OKAY.
SO WE WERE, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO OUR PURPOSE IS ALMOST GOING TO TAKE US TO REDRAFT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE INTO OUR, OUR PURPOSE STATEMENT AS WELL.
AND I'VE LOST MY, MY VERSION OF WHAT YOU GUYS LOOK LIKE.
SO WHAT WE HAD PUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE OVERALL COMMISSION'S STATEMENT OF PURPOSE, AND, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF STRUGGLES.
UM, IT WAS MY SUGGESTION THAT, THAT HERE TO PROMOTE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND FULL EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL PERSONS PUT A PERIOD.
UM, AND THAT THE, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE A FOCUS.
UM, ACTUALLY LET ME FIND A FEW TIMES, I THINK THE EDITS THAT YOU SENT OUT EARLIER TODAY, TARA, I HAD SENT THOSE OTHER EDITS ACTUALLY LIKE LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE.
UM, BUT YES, THAT WAS WHERE, WHERE MY STRUGGLE WAS IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR THIS SPECIFIC COMMITTEE THAT WE NEED TO ADOPT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE USED IN THE BROAD COMMISSION.
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NAILED DOWN, UM, WAS A STRUGGLE FOR ME.SO I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE DOCUMENT, UM, WHERE EDITS HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO WHAT I HAD JUST SUGGESTED AND, AND SHARED WITH THE BROAD COMMISSION, UM, WAS KIND OF REORGANIZING, UM, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT TO SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH TO PROMOTE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND FULL, UH, EXERCISE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL PERSONS.
AND THAT THE COMMISSION WILL FOCUS ON DISMANTLING SYSTEMS OF RACIAL OPPRESSION, POLICE REFORM, AND WORKING TO END DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF RACE, ETHNICITY, COLOR, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, ORIGIN, OR A GIN, UM, AND TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION, RACISM, AND OTHER BIASES THROUGH EDUCATION, MEDIATION POLICY LEGISLATION.
AND SO I JUST DIDN'T GET ANY FEEDBACK.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, WE WANT TO WORK ON THIS PURPOSE AND MISSION STATEMENT AGAIN ON THE BACKEND.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, WEIGH IN, EXCUSE ME.
THE ONE THAT I REVIEWED, THE, UM, EDITS, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT I REVIEWED, WHICH I LIKE THE PURPOSE, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT UNTIL WE KIND OF FIRM UP SOME THINGS FROM OUR LAST MEETING, BUT I LIKED THE WORDING THAT YOU USE ON THIS ONE, BUT I GUESS I WAS SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT LIKE, IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS FOR, UM, WHAT DOES THE NAME THAT WE GAVE IT ACTUALLY, UM, OF REPORTING ISSUES OF DISCRIMINATION, RACISM, OR INEQUITY, WHAT WAS THE WE GAVE, WE TITLED IT THAT WE I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL FOR THIS WHOLE, THAT PROCESS? YEAH.
SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, THE, THE COORDINATES, UM, INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT ADVOCATING FOR THE PROMOTION OF FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT FOR ALL RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND VISITORS OF HEBREW HEIGHTS.
YEAH, I GUESS THE, WE COULD DEFINITELY, I MEAN, PLAY AROUND WITH THIS, THE CAPACITY OF WHAT OUR PURPOSE ARE, IS AS THE COMMISSION WORKS TOGETHER.
UM, SO I THINK SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE GOAL OF THE, UM, THE GOAL OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
I GUESS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED AND THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS RACIAL INCIDENT POLICY, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT ALL NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT THIS PROCESS, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE GOAL, OH, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE, I'M SORRY, I TOOK ME A SECOND.
THE RAPID ACTION POLICY IS WHAT WE HAD TITLED THAT RAPID ACTION PROCESS OR SOMETHING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THAT WAS LIKE, IF THERE'S BIG INCIDENTS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
UM, BUT WE, WE HAD AN, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BACK UP THE MINUTES.
I'LL LOOK BACK REAL QUICK, BUT I GUESS, WELL, WE NEED TO NAME THE FORM NAME, THE PROCESS.
WHAT DO WE WANT TO NAME OUR FORM? SO, HEY GUYS, I THINK TOO, WE DO NEED TO NAIL DOWN THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LINGERING FOR QUITE A WHILE.
UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER THINGS, CAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMISSION, THE ADVOCACY COMMISSION IS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME CONCERN WITH WORDING OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK WE CAN GIVE A VERY HIGH OVERVIEW OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AS AN ADVOCACY COMMITTEE.
UM, AND WHEN I PUT THIS TOGETHER, I WAS REALLY TRYING TO THINK ABOUT ON A BROADER SCALE, SOME THINGS WE MIGHT BE DOING AND WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TOUCH ALL OF THESE THINGS.
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CAN CONSOLIDATE THIS, UM, OR REALLY MAYBE LOOK AT NEXT YEAR, MAYBE WHERE WE WANT TO SPEND OUR TIME IN TERMS OF ADVOCACY.SO WE CAN REALLY HONE IN ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
CAUSE THIS WAS SORT OF JUST A FIRST NICHE EFFORT TO YEAH.
YOU KNOW, PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER, BUT THERE'S A LOT THERE.
I LIKE, I THINK THAT THAT FIRST BULLET IS, UM, PRETTY ENCOMPASSING OF WHAT THE FIRST PRIORITY OR THE KEY PRIORITY WAS.
AND I THINK THE OTHER ONES ARE THINGS THAT WE KINDA DEVELOP ONGOING, LIKE THE RELATIONSHIPS, THE NETWORKS, THE LIAISONS.
I THINK THAT, UM, WE CAN DO THAT ONGOING, BUT THE TARGET BEING ADVOCATING FOR OUR COMMUNITY RESIDENT.
SO MAYBE REMOVE THESE TWO BULLETS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THE DEVELOP AND THE DEVELOP BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORK THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE BOWLS.
SO I THINK THE OVERALL THE MISSION KIND OF STATEMENT COULD BE THAT TOP LEVEL ONE AND THEN KIND OF BREAK OUT SOME OBJECTIVES, THOSE KEY OBJECTIVES THAT ALIGN WITH THAT MISSION OR THOSE ACTION ITEMS THAT ALIGNED TO THE MISSION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
SO, BUT MORE, UM, I WONDER WHAT I WAS GOING FOR THERE, UM, WHERE YOU MEAN, INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, THIS BROAD REACHING, UM, KIND OF REMOVE THIS PART AND KIND OF PUT THE, THE COORDINATE AS THAT MISSION STATEMENT MORE AT THE TOP, WE ARE KIND OF PULLING THIS FROM THE OVERALL, RIGHT? THE OVERALL DIVERSITY SAYS THE ACTIONS COMMISSION.
SO I THINK WE KEEP THAT AS THE PURPOSE OF THE ACTUAL COMMISSION, BUT THEN DRILL DOWN WITH THE ADVOCACY, HAVING THEIR OWN MISSION FOR THAT COMMITTEE.
AND THAT WOULD BE THIS RIGHT SUPPORT.
SO THIS WAS JUST KIND OF REITERATING AND THE SUPPORT OF THE BROADER COMMISSION, WHICH WE CAN KIND OF JUST PUT SOME DOTS HERE TILL WE TAKE HER OUT THE REST OF THIS PART.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IN THE LEGISLATION AND THEN JUST REVISE IT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
I DON'T, I THINK THIS IS WHERE I'M ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THE SENTENCE WAS HERE, BUT WE CAN REPLACE THAT FOR SURE.
UM, SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF REMOVE THIS BULLET POINT FOR NOW THE DEVELOP A NETWORK OF STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, BECAUSE IN, IN SAYING THAT WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE FAIR AND EQUITABLE TREATMENT OF, I GUESS, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY STRUGGLE IS.
I WOULDN'T SAY REMOVE IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT STAKEHOLDERS HELP MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
CAUSE WE GOTTA HAVE THOSE, UM, CASE IN POINT, YOU KNOW, MVR, PC, I THINK I SAID THAT.
UM, WHAT THEY DO IS SO ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE DO, THEY'RE A STAKEHOLDER THAT WE NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT PART IN THERE, BUT KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOLANDA SAID.
I THINK IF WE CAN DRILL DOWN, UM, AS I'M A VERY WORDY PERSON AND I GUESS THAT COMES FROM GRANT WRITING, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF WE COULD EVEN SAY COORDINATE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY OR COORDINATE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING A NETWORK
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OF STAKEHOLDERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN CONSOLIDATE IT WHERE IT STILL HAS THE SAME MEANING, BUT MAYBE WHERE THERE'S NOT SO MANY WORDS.OR WHETHER WHERE WE HAVE A VISION AND THEN A MISSION.
AND LIKE SHE SAID, SOME OF THOSE ACTIONABLE ITEMS. YEAH.
UH, SO I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO A GOOGLE DOC ON AND JUST WORK ON OVER THE IB I, OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FAIR.
UM, IT'S TO KIND OF JUST RE JUST KEEP WORKING ON THIS, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND, I, I THINK WE MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE REMISS AND FORGETTING WE HAD THIS GOING ON, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND.
SO WE WILL SET THAT AS ANOTHER ACTION ITEM, UM, WHICH I HAVE ON A SEPARATE PIECE OF PAPER, UM, TO, TO FURTHER WORK ON AND TO FIND THE PURPOSE STATEMENT, IS THAT, UH, OKAY WITH THE GROUP.
I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING MY SCREEN.
I HAD TO MOVE LOCATIONS, BUT I WAS LISTENING THE WHOLE TIME.
DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY KEEP THE BULLETS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THOSE BECOME PART OF THE ACTION ITEMS, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALIGN TO THAT OVERALL GOAL IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THAT FIRST SECTION.
SO THOSE WILL BE ACTION STEPS TO REACH THAT.
I APPRECIATE, UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD THERE? OR WE WANT TO KINDA JUST LEAVE THAT TABLED AND WE'LL WORK ON THAT ONE ON THE BACKEND AND GET OUT OF THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD NEVER, WE WANT TO SET A DATE TO HAVE THAT DONE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE IT INDIVIDUALLY.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD IT BE OUR DATE THAT WE WANT TO, I THINK WE, I'M STILL GONNA STICK TO KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR MEETINGS SCHEDULE, WE'LL BE LOOKING TOWARDS PROBABLY THE WEEK OF, I MEAN, ARE WE PLANNING ON HAVING THIS DONE BEFORE, UM, THE BROAD COMMISSION MEETING ON THE SEVENTH, BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THIS TURNED AROUND.
I WOULD SAY PROBABLY BY THE FOUR, WHICH WOULD GIVE US LIKE A WEEK AND A HALF, TWO WEEKS, TWO WEEKS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY COMMITTEE THAT ISN'T, AS IT TURNED IN OUR PURPOSE STATEMENT, I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE A BUNCH OF BUSY FOLK.
I CAN'T YOU WELL, AND I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT'S THERE RIGHT AT THE BULK OF IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT IS MY SCREEN DOING.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND SOME BULLETS, THAT'S IT.
AND THEN I THINK THAT WE'RE THERE.
I IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A TIMELY THING.
UM, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT.
SOME OF IT TOO, I, EVEN THIS WEEKEND, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL GOING TO BAKE THE COOKIES.
I'M GOING TO TAKE THE KIDS, SEE THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET ON TOP OF THIS TIME.
UH, SO THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT QUESTIONS, UM, WE HAVE NOT DEVELOPED, UM, A DOCUMENT ON THE BACKEND FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK WE'VE STRUGGLED AS A COMMITTEE TO KIND OF DEFINE, WE WENT FROM SUCH BROAD OVERREACHING, UH, INITIATIVES AND KIND OF PAIRED THAT BACK NOW.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE, UM, THAT I WILL PUT ON THE ACTIONABLE ITEMS, UM, TO SEND OUT IS FOR THE FORCE, UM, IS JUST TO KIND OF CREATE AND FINALIZE WHAT WE'RE FOCUS AREAS AND QUESTIONS AS A, AS A GROUP THAT WE WANT ASKED ON THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
I THINK WE DON'T, I THINK WHAT
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WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE QUESTIONS PER SE, BUT JUST WHAT DATA, WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW FROM AN ADVOCACY STANDPOINT, HOW DO WE ADVOCATE FOR OUR COMMUNITY? SO WHAT INFORMATION DO WE NEED FROM THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT? LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW COMFORTABLE ARE PEOPLE REPORTING IF THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH DISCRIMINATION OR RACISM OR INEQUITABLE TREATMENT, YOU KNOW, HOW COMFORTABLE ARE THEY WITH THAT? SO I THINK WE CAN JUST COME UP WITH A FEW BULLETS, UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANT IT TO BE INITIATIVES AND LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO KNOW FROM OUR COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN ADVOCATE THEM? I MEAN, I WILL WANT TO KNOW.DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A VOICE, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO, TO REPORT AN INCIDENT? YES.
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO, UM, HAVE YOU WITNESSED ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, RACISM AND EQUITY THINGS IN THE CITY? DO YOU FEEL THAT HOUSING IS QUALITY AFFORDABLE? YOU KNOW, DO YOU FEEL THAT, UM, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO FOOD, ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION, UM, ADEQUATE, UM, RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, IMMIGRANTS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES TO HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, BE SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING HOUSING, FOOD, EDUCATION, ACCESS TO ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, DO YOU FEEL THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE OR THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AT WORKING IN YOUR PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, CORRECTLY REFLECT YOU AS A PERSON, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES IS IF YOU GO TO THE CITY TO PAY YOUR WATER BILL OR, OR TO FILE A COMPLAINT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, OR DO YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE YOU ARE REPRESENTED, UM, IN YOUR SAME DEMOGRAPHICS OR, OR VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, THINGS.
SO I THINK BASED ON THAT RIGHT THERE, YEAH, THAT'S ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IN A NUTSHELL RIGHT THERE TO JUST SAY, BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'RE JUST REALLY, UM, TRYING TO GIVE SOME INFORMATION TO A CONSULTANT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GATHER.
AND IF THEY ARE VERSED WELL VERSED IN THESE ASSESSMENTS, IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, THEN THEY SHOULD BUILD, MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
BUT I WANTED US TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH SOME KEY THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GATHER FROM THIS.
IS THERE A MEETING BEING LIVE STREAMED, DO YOU GUYS KNOW IS NOT OKAY? NO, I MEAN, THESE ARE, THEY CAN'T EVEN, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S JUST US AND WHOEVER'S HANDED THESE FLASH DRIVES.
THEY HAVE NOT FOUND A WAY TO POST THESE MEETINGS YET, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FILE SIZE.
SO I HAVE FLASH DRIVES FOR ALL OF OUR MEETINGS THAT I SIT AND DO THE NOTES OFF OF.
SO IT'S BASICALLY BEING PUBLISHED, BUT NO ONE CAN ATTEND UNLESS THEY HAVE THE MEETING INVITE.
AND I ASSUME THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT WELL.
HOW IS IT JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS A LINK THAT THEY COULD WATCH IT? UM, BUT FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, LIVE-STREAMED, THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY CAPTURING IT ON THE BACKEND BECAUSE TEAMS, MEETINGS AND ZOOMS MEETINGS.
LIKE IF I THINK IF I HIT RECORD, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT, I WOULD AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THIS SAVED WHERE I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO GET FLASH DRIVES BECAUSE THE CITY'S STARTING THE MEETINGS, THEY HAVE THE SAVED, UM, FILES.
SO, SO IN THE FUTURE WE COULD JUST SEND THE INVITE TO SOMEONE IF THEY WANT TO COME TO THE MEETING, IF THEY WANT TO JOIN THE MEETING.
CAUSE THEY STILL POST THE NOTICE.
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HAVE TO, I ASSUME IF YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED, THEN YOU HAVE TO, WHICH WHAT I HAD TEXTED YOU ABOUT, I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY LIKE A HACKER, MORE THAN SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY LISTENING IN ON OUR, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A COMMUNITY MEMBER.THAT'S THAT MAKES ME FEEL EVEN WORSE.
I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I REPLAYED THAT ONE SECOND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IT'S EITHER THAT, OR IT WAS THE SPIRIT COMING THROUGH TO SAY HI, IT WAS, IT WAS THE STRANGEST BOY.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE LINK BETH SENT OUT WITH THE MEETING NOTICE WITH THE MEETING NOTICES, UM, YOU'LL VIEWABLE BY THE PUBLIC ONLY ON VIDEO AVAILABLE.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD STILL WATCH IT THOUGH.
WE'LL FIND OUT MIA HAD BROUGHT THAT UP, THAT PEOPLE WERE, WERE HAVING SOME CONCERNS THAT WE WERE MAYBE NOT AS TRANSPARENT AS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES GETTING STUFF POSTED.
UM, I'M GONNA EMAIL ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
IT'S NOT A HUGE DEAL FOR ME TO PICK UP THESE FLASH DRIVES.
IT'S JUST MY COMPUTER, MY ONE COMPUTER THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED.
SO I HAVE TO LIKE, IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF ROCK AND ROLL.
I'M TRYING SOMETHING NEW TONIGHT AND I'M RECORDING MY OWN VERSION SO I CAN TRY TO GET IT EARLIER.
AND SO MY OTHER QUESTION, YOLANDA, CAN YOU FIND OUT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON TEAMS OR CAN WE USE ANOTHER PLATFORM THAT MAY BE EASIER TO NAVIGATE LIKE ZONE? UM, BECAUSE MY PLATFORM CAN HOST UP TO, IT CAN HOST PROBABLY ABOUT 400, I MEAN, SO SOMEBODY COULD EASILY, WE COULD LIVE, STREAM IT FROM ZONE, YOU KNOW? SO CAN YOU FIND THAT OUT IF, IF IT'S JUST HAS TO BE THEMES, UM, LET'S FIND OUT.
SO, UM, I GUESS THAT BRINGS US TO NEW BUSINESS.
UH, FIRST ITEM WAS, UH, CASEY, UM, GOOD SON OUT OF COLUMBUS, WHICH WAS, UH, RON DOES ADD, BUT I HAD, UM, ALSO SENT AN EMAIL, UM, REGARDING, UM, IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AS A COMMISSION, UM, REGARDING, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME VERY POWERFUL LANGUAGE USED IN THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATIONS OF, UH, SOCIAL WORKERS AND THEIR RESPONSE.
UM, AND I WOULD HAVE TO FIND THAT QUICKLY, BUT OPEN UP DISCUSSION WHAT WE, YEAH.
I MEAN, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO POST SOMETHING, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO AND WHY WE EXIST, UM, TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT, UM, TO THE FAMILY, TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT, UM, TO ANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LIKE OURS DOING SIMILAR WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK TO STAND UP AND SPEAK UP.
UM, AND THE OTHER REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS IT COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN IN HUBER HEIGHTS, THIS SAME SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT HAD INCIDENTS LIKE THIS, BUT WE VERY WELL COULD.
AND SO THAT ALWAYS BRINGS ME BACK TO, IN A SITUATION LIKE A CASEY GOODSON, WHAT IS OUR PROTOCOL, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS IN OUR CITY, DO WE WAIT UNTIL IT HAPPENS? HOPEFULLY IT NEVER DOES BEFORE WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE.
UM, BECAUSE I MEAN THIS, THIS YOUNG MAN WAS WHAT GOING IN THE DOOR WHEN THIS HAPPENS.
SO WE'RE HERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK, I MEAN, WE DON'T WAIT TIL THIS HAPPENS CAUSE THAT THAT'S WHY OUR COMMISSION IS HERE.
THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION WAS FORMED SO THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
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AS THESE THINGS CONTINUE, I THINK WHAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT.THERE WAS ANOTHER SHOOTING IN NEW LEBANON AS WELL.
NOT THAT LONG AFTER THE DONALDSON DID NOT DIE, BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER POLICE SHOOTING.
HE SHOT HIM TWICE IN THE BACK IN THE BACK.
SO, SO RHONDA, YOU ADDED THIS TO THE AGENDA WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? SO I THINK, UM, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMISSION, UM, WHO IS DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY SEND A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT, UH, TO THE FAMILY, TO THE CITY, UM, FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY PARALLEL ORGANIZATIONS DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK IN COLUMBUS, I'M SURE THERE ARE, BUT DEFINITELY SENDING A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT TO THE FAMILY I THINK WOULD BE, UM, RIGHT TO DO.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AND WE'RE NOT BEING SILENT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND NOT SILENCING, UM, BEING SILENT ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF DOING THE RIGHT THING.
UM, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS ALSO PUTTING SOMETHING ON PAPER.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, BIG AND VERBOSE.
IT CAN BE SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE, THE, OKAY, NEVER THINK OF OUR NAME.
SANDY AND TOTAL SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD JUST BE SOMETHING SIMPLE AND IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE SEND, IT COULD BE A PROCLAMATION, IT COULD BE WHATEVER WE CAN SIGN IT AND SEND IT.
AND I THINK THAT TO A FAMILY WHO LOVES SOMEONE THAT THEY LOVE, THAT'S HUGE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL THE WAY IN HUBER HEIGHTS, OHIO.
AND THE FACT THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SUPPORT IT WOULD OFFER TO THEM DURING THEIR TIME OF NEED.
UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE VISIBLE AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS WORK AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NOT JUST SHOW SUPPORT FOR OUR CITY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE STATE OF OHIO SURROUNDING CITIES.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, UM, WITH THE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ALSO STAND, UM, STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE FAMILY AS THEY, THEY MORE IN THE LOSS OF THEIR, THEIR LOVED ONE.
UM, AND STAND WITH THE OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WHO ARE WORKING TO END THE POLICE VIOLENCE, UM, AND PREVENT DEATHS LIKE THESE, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER STATEMENTS OF SOLIDARITY HAVE ACTIONABLE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, YOU KNOW, AND I, I WONDER ALMOST IF WE COULD FORM SOMETHING IN LINE WITH THE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVES FROM THE NAACP, FOR THE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, LIKE ONE, WE REQUEST, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FULL OVERSIGHT OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD OF THIS, YOU KNOW, AND GO IN LINE WITH THEIR EIGHT POINTS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TAKE IT THAT FAR TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WE ARE, UH, DEMANDING, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS PERSON IS REMOVED.
THERE WAS A FULL, OPEN INVESTIGATION, FULL TRANSPARENCY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, THE STATEMENTS OF SOLIDARITY GO INTO ACTIONABLE ITEMS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO TAKE IT, UM, TO ACTIONABLE ITEMS OR JUST ISSUE THE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, WELL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ACTIONABLE ITEMS AS IT PERTAINS TO THEIR FAMILY, BUT THAT BRINGS ON ANOTHER, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY, WITH THE, UM, PROCLAMATION RESOLUTION.
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THE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN MY VIEW.SO MAYBE THIS REALLY IS, I MEAN, AS A COMMISSION, I THINK THAT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT, BUT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE OUR CITY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT SHOULDN'T BE, OR YOU WERE 100% CORRECT.
WE SHOULD NOT BE THE ONES INITIATING THIS, BUT WE DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT OTHERS WOULD TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO, TO WRITE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE ASPECT OF, OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED WITH DOING HERE, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE THE DAY AFTER, YOU KNOW, AND STANDING IN, UH, IN A, IN COMPLETE SOLIDARITY THAT EVEN LIKE THE AGS OFFICE SAID WHEN THEY, THEY ASKED TO BE BROUGHT IN TWO WEEKS LATER, LIKE YOU DON'T ASK US TO BE BROUGHT INTO AN INVESTIGATION TWO WEEKS AFTER IT'S BEEN HANDLED.
SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN, AND IN SAYING THAT, I THINK WE WILL GO BACK TO THAT, THAT PROTOCOL, OUR ACTION PLANS ARE, OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE NEED TO BETTER CRAFT THOSE POLICIES TYPE PROCEDURES FOR OUR GROUP THAT WHEN THESE THINGS TYPE DO HAPPEN, WE HAVE IT IN PLACE THAT THIS IS THE ISSUE WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE THE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND, AND START DOING OUR OWN, UM, PROTOCOLS FOR THESE EVENTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT REMISS AND BEING KIND OF LATE TO ISSUING THE STATEMENT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, UM, IF THE CITY WAS GOING TO DO IT, IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
I DON'T, BY ANY MEANS, SAY, WAIT FOR THE CITY TO DO IT SAYING, LIKE, IN ADDITION TO US, WE NEED TO BRING THESE ISSUES FOR LIKE, AS A COMMISSION, THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S HAPPENING SO MUCH.
LIKE I WASN'T UP ON THE NEW LEBANON ONE.
AND I'M LIKE, I KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER JUST THE LAST FEW WEEKS THAT IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, YOU MISS IT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR FIGHT.
SO I THINK THE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, I THINK THE PROCESS OF SAYING THEIR NAMES, SO ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, WHEN IT HAPPENS, PUT IT OUT THERE, THIS HAS HAPPENED.
IT'S AGAIN BRINGING THE VISIBILITY TO IT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST, I FELT SO TIRED OF BEING IN THE SAME SPOT ALL THE TIME WITH THIS HAPPENING REPEATEDLY, REPEATEDLY, AND NOTHING HAPPENS.
AND IT'S EXCUSE AFTER EXCUSE AFTER, EXCUSE FOR WHY SOMEONE IS OVER-POLICING, YOU KNOW, THIS YOUNG MAN HAD EVERY RIGHT, NOT THAT IT'S PER PROPER GUN PROCEDURES WITH THE CCW, BUT AS A CCW HOLDER, I THINK IT JUST CONTINUES TO GO BACK TO THE FEAR THAT IT CONSTANTLY OVERPOWERS, UM, CORRECT THOUGHT PROCESSES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO PUT THAT.
IT GOES BACK TO A, UH, JUST A COMPLETE LACK OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT AS A CC W OR CONSIDER YOU CONCEAL WEAPONS OWNER, UM, TO HAVE THAT AND TO HAVE IT.
SO WHAT'S THE POINT IT'S YEAH, IT'S, IT GOES BACK TO THE BASIC, YOU KNOW, THAT IF YOU ARE A YOUNG BLACK MAN WITH A GUN, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY A THREAT AND THIS MAN WAS IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM OR FINDING A THREAT, AND YOU, YOU SHOT HIM TRYING TO ENTER HIS OWN HOME, WHICH HE ALSO HAD THE RIGHT TO DO.
YOU HAD NO SUSPICION OF ANYTHING.
HE COULD HAVE TOLD YOU TO GO FLY A KITE AND WALKED IN HIS FRONT DOOR BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS WALKING AWAY FROM YOU DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO REMOVE HIM FROM THIS EARTH.
AND IT'S JUST, I THINK THAT THE ONE THING THAT WE ALWAYS DO NEED TO REMEMBER AS THIS COMMISSION THOUGH, IS WE CAN'T GET TIRED.
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DISILLUSIONED FROM OUR BOWLS AND OUR BROADER PURPOSE.AND UNTIL, UNTIL IT DOES STOP AND UNTIL WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WORK TO DO.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION BECOMES, HOW DO WE DO WE DO THIS WITH EVERY INCIDENT THAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE JUST HAVE TO, WE HAD TO DEFINE IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IF WE DO THIS EVERY TIME AN INCIDENT HAPPENS, IT'S A LOT OF
EVEN THE BACKGROUND, YOU COULD SET THE BACKGROUND UP TO WHERE IT'S JUST THE NAMES AND EVERYTHING IS ON FRONT OF IT.
AND IT'S CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HAVE, WE COULD EVOLVE THAT INTO TOO MANY THINGS, A SPOTLIGHT OF THE MONTH, UH, YOU KNOW, OF SOMEBODY THAT, THAT SHOULD STILL BE HERE THAT ISN'T AND TELL A LITTLE PIECE OF THEIR STORY AND LIKE THAT YEAH.
THAT'S PUTTING THE, PUTTING THE FACE WITH THE STORY WITH THE NAME, YOU KNOW, IF, I GUESS I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THAT IF YOU CAN'T SEE TOUCH, TASTE, SMELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT.
SO THEN THAT GIVES BACK IS THE THOUGHT THAT WE WILL HAVE, UM, I GUESS SO, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE AN O OUR OWN PAGE FOR ADVOCACY EDUCATIONAL HAVE THEIR OWN PAGE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF REFORM HAS TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR NOT.
UM, WE WENT ACROSS THE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVES AND THEN THE MATERIALS PROVIDED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW THOSE ALIGNED OR DIDN'T.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE KIND OF BEEN FOCUSING, UM, PICKING OUT A LOT OF AREAS TO, TO PUSH BACK ON ROBBED OR TO, TO FURTHER EXPOUND ON QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT OUT OF THE RESPONSE YEAH.
AND, UM, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB, AND I KNOW THAT ROB GAVE YOU ALL A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DISSECT, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB GETTING THROUGH THAT AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS AROUND IT.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE GREAT POINTS THAT OUR CITY HAS, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD IT'S PLACES OF, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT WE'RE DOING VERY WELL, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT WERE NOT DOING AS GOOD.
AND I'M GLAD JOB HAVE FORMED A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ROB AND HE'S WORKING WITH THE REFORM GROUP WELL, ON THAT, HOPEFULLY.
SO WE CAN WORK ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CRAFTING THIS STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ON THE BACK END, WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIONABLE ITEMS ON THE BACKEND, BUT, UM, AND I THINK IN THIS STATEMENT WILL HELP US, UM, YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP THIS, THIS RESPONSE PLAN, UM, FOR THIS, THIS COMMITTEE.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY.
JUST A GENERAL OUTLINE OF WHAT WE DO WHEN NOT ASKING TOO MUCH.
UM, AND WE'VE, WE HAVE NO RHONDA OR, UM, FOLLOW UP FOR FOOD FOR LIFE.
UM, DOES SHE ADD THAT ONE? YEAH.
VOTER MODE, UH, FOLLOW UP ON FOOD FOR LIFE VOTER MOBILIZATIONS FOR THE MAYORAL PRIMARIES ARE COMING UP.
I'M GUESSING I HAVE NOT ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE IT.
THAT IS, UM, AND THEN THIS HOUSE BILL SEVEN, EIGHT, FOUR, UM, WHICH WE COULD ALWAYS CIRCLE BACK TO, I'M NOT SURE, I'M PRETTY SURE A HOUSE BILL SEVEN, EIGHT, FOUR, UM, IF THIS IS THE STANDARD GROUND LAW, OR IT'S GOING TO GET VETOED, HE'S, GOVERNOR'S NOT GOING FOR THIS ONE.
SO, ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU KNOW,
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UM, THE OREGON DISTRICT, WHAT DOES SHE WANT US TO DO NOW IN REGARDS TO THAT? NOT SURE ADAM, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING, BUT I DON'T KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JIM JORDAN TYPE SUBMISSIONS TO LEGISLATION.I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT IS INCREDIBLY INFLAMING, UM, VERBIAGE AND TONEAGE AND, AND ALL OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT HAS ABOUT A HOPE AND A PRAYER OF GETTING COMPLETELY THROUGH WITHOUT GETTING VETOED.
SO EVEN IF IT GOT THROUGH IT'S, DWAYNE IS GOING TO BE TO IT, ONE WOULD HOPE, I GUESS.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN TABLE THAT CAUSE WE'RE NOT.
UM, AND THAT LEADS US BACK TO THE END.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, DISCUSS GOT A LOT OF ACTIONABLE ITEMS FOR SURE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON NOW GET DONE A MINUTE? WELL, WE'RE ALL OF THE ACTIONABLE ITEMS, SO I'M GONNA CONTACT THE EDUCATION GROUP AND ROB FOR THAT EMAIL ADDRESS FOR COMPLAINTS, UM, OR KIND OF START TO FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, WHAT WAS EDUCATIONS? UM, THEY WERE BIG INITIATIVE WAS THE CREATION OF THAT WEBSITE.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO COME STOMPING IN, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT WE WERE CREATING AN EMAIL ADDRESS AND AN AVENUE FOR LODGING COMPLAINTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO IT WAS GOING TO TRY TO KIND OF WORK IN TANDEM WITH THEM.
LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE WEBSITE, CAN YOU INCLUDE THIS? YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BEFORE, RIGHT AT THE BROADER COMMISSION YET THAT INITIATIVES AND, AND, AND THE COMMITTEES.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO CHECK ON THAT? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, UM, ACTUALLY CHECK ON BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S JUST THE WEBSITE, THE WEB, THE WEB ADDRESS AND WEBSITE ACTUALLY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO MAYBE DISCUSS, OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WITH ROB, UM, THE, INCLUDING THAT FORM FOR THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATION OR THE POLICE INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, CAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT KINDA CAME UP AND REFORM THAT DEPENDING ON THE PROCESS FOR COMPLETING THAT FORM AND ACCESS TO THAT FORM COULD BE LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS WE ARE REALLY ACTUALLY RECEIVING TO FIELD.
I NEVER KNEW YOU HAD TO FILL OUT A FORM.
IT CAME UP IN THE LAST MEETING FROM THE 213 PAGES OF DOCUMENTS I WAS READING THROUGH.
UM, AND THE EXACT, THE EXACT VERBIAGE WAS IN THERE THAT IT HAS TO BE, UM, SUBMITTED THROUGH THIS FORM, WHICH REALLY, UM, SHALL BE REPORTED ON THE INTERNAL AND FARES INVESTIGATION SLASH COMPLAINT FORM.
SO IF I AM NOT A FLUENT ENGLISH SPEAKER, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF ABSOLUTELY.
THEN I CAN'T, IS IT TRANSLATED INTO SOMALI, SPANISH, TURKISH? YOU KNOW, THE DIVERSITY OF OUR, OUR, OUR CITY IS ONE OF THE AMAZING THINGS ABOUT OUR CITY AND, YOU KNOW, ARE WE FORTHCOMING, UM, WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS? AND AGAIN, IF WE ARE, UM, NECESSARILY ON, ON SHAKY DOCUMENTS, ARE WE GOING TO FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, IF ARE WE FREE FROM RETRIBUTION FROM MAKING THOSE COMPLAINTS? NO.
YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE FREE FROM ARBITRARY CONSEQUENCES OR HARASSMENT OR ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, ME AS A NORMAL CITIZEN, EVEN ON THIS COMMITTEE, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD FEEL EMPOWERED TO, YOU KNOW, MARCH UP TO TAYLOR'S HILL AND LODGE A COMPLAINT.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HAVE YOU SEEN THE FORM? NO, I CAN SEE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS.
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REPORTING COMPLAINTS.DID IT TAKE YOU TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT? THE WATER DEPARTMENT? YES.
MA'AM BUT THAT IN ITSELF, IS IT ACCESSIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT QUITE AS COMPUTER SAVVY.
NO, IF I CAN'T FIND IT, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
AND IT'S NOT ON SAY THERE'S A REPORT OF CONCERN, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO POLICE CONCERNS.
IF YOU GO TO, UM, THE POLICE PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT PAGE SERVICES, VOLUNTEER, YOUTH SERVICES FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
IT'S UNDER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
HOW CAN I FILE A COMPLAINT, A COMPLIMENT OR COMPLAINT REGARDING POLICE SERVICES? OH, RONDA'S BACK.
UM, IT'S CONTACT, UH, THE POLICE DIVISION AT THE PHONE NUMBER DURING BUSINESS HOURS, UM, AND REQUEST THE ON-DUTY SUPERVISOR.
BUT YOU HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, CLICKS.
DID IT TAKE US TO GET THERE? AND WHERE DID YOU EVEN FIND THAT? I STILL DON'T GET IT UNDER REPORT AN ISSUE.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE HUBER HEIGHTS.ORG, THE H H O H.ORG, AND THEN UNDER GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS, POLICE, THEN IT TAKES YOU TO THAT FRONT PAGE.
I'M GOING TO SHARE, WE WENT FROM GOVERNMENT AND THEN DEPARTMENTS, POLICE, AND THEN YOU COME HERE AND THEN IT'S UNDER FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
HOW DO I FILE A COMPLAINT? WAIT A MINUTE.
WHERE I WOULD LOOK IT'S DOWN AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS REPORT A CONCERN.
WELL, I'VE THOUGHT THAT ONE TOO.
IT'S NOT THAT POLICE IS NOT MENTIONED THERE.
YEAH, NO, YOU CAN DO YOUR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, BUT THE POLICE SEE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
LIKE THE POLICE HAS ITS OWN PROCESS, BUT THEY SHOULD STILL HAVE A LINK UNDER THAT.
THAT SHOULD LINK TO THE POLICE ABSOLUTELY PAGE.
BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW TO DO ALL THIS DIG IN, UM, SEE, SO YOU CAN CALL, YOU CAN EMAIL OR YOU CAN VISIT THE POLICE DIVISION, UM, AND ASK TO SPEAK TO SOMEBODY TO FILL OUT A FORM.
AND THAT'LL GO, I WOULD NOT LOOK UNDER FAQ, USED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
AND SO IF I HAVE AN ISSUE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, WHAT DO I DO? YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN HERE'S, HOW YOU GET YOUR PUBLIC RECORDS TOO.
AND THEN HERE'S YOUR TIP LINE, WHICH IS NOT MONITORED 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO WHAT I HEAR YOU GUYS SAYING IS THIS TOO EMBEDDED, NOT AS TRANSPARENT, UM, AS MAYBE WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESSING THAT INFORMATION, IT SHOULD BE LIKE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT IT.
IF I HAVE A, UH, AN AREA THAT SAYS REPORT A CONCERN, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT ALL OF THE CONCERNS.
IF IT HAS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR POLICE REPORT OR CONCERNS, HERE'S YOUR TRUCKS LIKE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO LET ME LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, IF UNDER POLICE, UM, DOES IT SAY ANYTHING, UM,
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INCLUSIVE AND THIS STATEMENT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, DOES THE WEBSITE SAY ANYTHING INCLUSIVE? LIKE HAS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COME OUT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE TREAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS EQUITABLY.COMPRISE OF SWORN AND CIVIL PERSONNEL WHO ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL AND DEDICATED SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY EACH AND EVERY DAY STRIVE TO MAKE HUBER HEIGHTS, A SAFE PLACE TO THOSE WHO LIVE, WORK RE RECREATE AND TRAVEL THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, PRIDE OURSELVES IN THE VARIETY OF SERVICES, BRADLEY FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD LIKE, LET'S DO THIS.
CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE DRAFT UP? AND I'LL SEND THIS TO, UM, AN EMAIL, UM, ABOUT THE EDUCATION AND REFORM WEBSITE AND EMAIL ADDRESS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A DOCUMENT, A RECOMMENDATION FOR CITY COUNCIL START PUTTING RECOMMENDATIONS IN PLACE LIKE THE WEBSITE, THE EMAIL ADDRESS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THIS, I JUST WANT CITY COUNCIL TO BE VISIBLE TO ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY DON'T BECAUSE WE, IF THEY CAN'T SEE OUR MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERN, UM, HOLD ON ABOUT WHAT ALL THE COMMITTEES ARE DOING.
AND PART OF THAT CONCERN WOULD BE BECAUSE OUR MEETINGS ARE NOT PUBLIC OR RECORDED OR THEY ARE RECORDED, BUT NOBODY CAN SEE THEM.
SO THERE'S THAT LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT OUR COMMISSION STARTED, WHEN DO WE HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING SEPTEMBER? I THINK IT WAS.
AND SO THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING AND PROPOSING DOING, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT THINGS THAT YOU CAN SNAP YOUR FINGERS.
AND IT'S DONE A LOT OF THIS IS PROCESS ORIENTED.
UM, IT'S BUILDING AND IT TAKES TIME.
AND I DON'T WANT THIS PERCEPTION THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT DOING BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS WORKING HARD TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.
SO IF ANYONE THINKS THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT WILL PREVENT ANYONE FROM THINKING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IS FINE.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN FIRST IN EVERY MONTH, BECAUSE EVERY MONTH WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON.
THEN EVERY MONTH WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR CITY COUNCIL.
AGAIN, IT'S BURIED ON THE POLICE SITE UNDER MISSION AND CORE VALUES.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR QUALITY STATEMENT IS IN THE LAST BULLET POINTS ARE RESPECT AND EQUALITY OF THE CORE VALUES.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU ALL ON A, UH, SISTER CITY'S WEBSITE.
IF I MAY, CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? YES.
WE'RE A CITY OF DIVERSE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION.
DO YOU SEE THIS DOWN HERE? A PLACE FOR EVERYONE URBAN, RURAL METRO.
I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF, WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE BUY-IN, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO SPEAK TO THIS ON OUR PAGE AND IT DOESN'T NEED
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TO BE HIDDEN.IT NEEDS TO BE VERY, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT VANDALIA AND THIS IS WHAT I, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING.
I JUST WANT TO SEE THIS CITIES THAT ARE CLOSE TO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO US, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO OPEN UP MY EMAIL AND MY FEE ON MY BUSINESS, BUT, UM, TO MENTION WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, UM, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN ON THE REFORM SHARED, THERE ARE 110 PEOPLE WORKING ON POLICE REFORM IN THE CITY OF DAYTON.
I'M GOING TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
I SENT, UM, THEM, THE CITY OF DAYTON'S REFORM INITIATIVE THAT MAYOR WHALEY HAS STARTED INITIATED.
SO I SENT THAT TO ERIC BECAUSE I KNEW THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO ONE OF THE GUYS THAT'S ON THE, UM, PART OF THAT INITIATIVE.
AND I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU ALL.
AND I'M GOING TO SEND IT OUT TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
SO I'M GOING TO SEND IT OUT TO THE COMMISSION.
WELL, I'LL SEND IT TO Y'ALL BECAUSE THE WHOLE COMMISSION DOESN'T REFORM HAZARD AND YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON IT.
SO I'LL, I'LL SEND IT TO YOU ALL TO DRAW UNDER JUST YOU'RE ALREADY HAS IT.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S VERY POINTED.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH AND IT SAW, AND, UM, DEREK FORD IS PART OF THAT INITIATIVE.
AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE, AND I KNOW THAT TERRY, YOU ARE NOT THERE AT THAT POINT YET, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, I THINK KIND OF, YOU COULD MODEL OFF OF THAT AND START TO PULL IN.
LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY, EVEN SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT THERE'S MORE ONE ACCOUNTABILITY.
THERE'S MORE, BUY-IN, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT, ALL OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SOMEHOW REPLICATE PIECES OF THAT SOMEHOW IN OUR CITY, THEN WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH ROB AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER AND GET STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED.
NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, HAVE YOU GUYS LIFTED THE CITY OF DAYTON'S QUARTERLY REPORT? NO, BUT THAT'S, UH, WILL INTERESTING TO LOOK AT.
UM, I USED TO WORK, UM, BACK IN SCHOOL ON SOME, UH, GRASSROOTS EFFORTS WITH DARYL FAIRCHILD, UM, WHO IS A COMMISSIONER, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS IN DAYTON, UM, AND SERVES ON THE POLICE REFORM, UM, COMMITTEES.
SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF BEND HIS EAR A LITTLE BIT TOO TO SEE, UM, WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HIS, I THINK HE'S PART OF THE EDUCATION, UM, GROUP OF POLICE REFORMS, BUT THE MORE INFORMATION THE BETTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN, AND TRYING TO BENCHMARK WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING AND HOW BEST TO GO ABOUT THINGS.
I MEAN, OF COURSE DAYTON IS A MUCH BIGGER BEAST THAN IN HEBREW HEIGHTS, BUT YOU KNOW, 110 VERSUS A COUPLES.
UM, NO, I WAS GOING TO MEET WITH NATE WITH MAYOR WHALEY, JUST TO TALK TO HER ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING AND TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT.
AND, UM, I TOLD ERIC AS THE CHAIR THAT HE PROBABLY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT MEETING.
AND RHONDA, DO YOU LET ME KNOW WHAT YOUR AVAILABILITY IS? YOU WILL WANT TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT TOO, BUT, UM, SHE'S ALREADY SAID SHE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE.
YEAH, SHE'S, SHE'S VERY APPROACHABLE.
SHE WAS ONE OF MY STUDENTS ACTUALLY.
AND, UM, ONE OF MY, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WORKED AT UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, SHE WAS ONE OF MY
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RESIDENT ADVISORS.I THINK SHE'S A LITTLE YOUNGER.
SHE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE YEARS YOUNGER.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I HAD STOPPED SHARING, BUT I GUESS I DIDN'T.
SO YOU'RE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT LEAST, RIGHT? I'M LIKE, I DON'T SHOOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO ME AND IT IS OUR WEB PAGE, BUT I'M LOOKING, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FROM A DIVERSITY PERSPECTIVE TOO, IF IT'S EVEN INCLUSIVE IN WHAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO I, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT.
SO IF WE WERE TO MAKE A REQUEST, I WAS WRITING THOSE THINGS DOWN.
UM, THE, THE WEBSITE IN IT, REFLECTING AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN IT SHOWS LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT TROTWOOD WEBSITE, YOU SEE PEOPLE WITH, DOES SHE SEE INFOR? I MEAN, WITH OURS, YOU SEE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, WHICH IS, I GUESS A GOOD THING, BUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR WEBSITE IS YOUR, UM, YOUR WEBSITE IS YOUR PARK, THE PARKING LOT BUSINESS, WHATEVER THAT BUSINESS IS.
SO SOMEONE WAS LOOKING AROUND TRYING TO SEE, OKAY, WHERE WOULD I WANT TO LIVE? I'VE GOT TO RELOCATE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR SITE WELCOMING TO THOSE PEOPLE.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE DO HAVE ON THE WEBSITE.
I DON'T SEE, UM, A LOT OF DIVERSITY FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WE DO HAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE IN HERE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T SEE ANY PEOPLE.
THERE'S A FEW ON THE FIRST PAGE, THE HOME PAGE.
I THINK THERE'S LIKE SCROLLING PICTURES.
I THINK IT HAS THE ROWS IN IT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
JUST THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER PEOPLE.
IT HAS A FEW, I SEE, LIKE THE, NOW IT'S THE WATER PARK SHOAL GATE PARK.
I SEE ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND YEAH.
AND THE LITTLE BOY DOING THE LEAF REMOVAL, YOU WERE OUT OF IT.
AND IT'S, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE OF THE LENS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM, BUT THERE IS NO DIVERSITY IN ANY OF THOSE PICTURES THAT HAVE HUMAN BEINGS IN THEM.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT A DIFFERENT ASPECT, BUT THIS ROSE IT'S LIKE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A POA, UH, PEOPLE HAVE MORE, A PRISONER OF WAR EVENT.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OUT HALEN FLAGS.
SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THIS AGAIN REAL QUICK.
AND YOU GUYS WILL KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
SAMES DOES NOT LIKE ME AND I DON'T LIKE TEAMS EITHER.
I PULLED UP TROTWOOD BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE, YOU SEE PEOPLE LIKE DOING, YOU SEE COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THEIR AGRICULTURE, THEIR FARM COUNTRY, AND THEN YOU, YOU SEE REAL LIFE, YOU'RE CONNECTING WITH THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THERE'S THE MAYOR.
THERE'S AN AMWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE PARTNERSHIP THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UM, EVEN IN THAT SAME WAY, AND I'VE LIKED THE WAY
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THAT, THAT YOU SEE MOVEMENT AND IT MATCHES A CITY OF GROWTH AND PROGRESS, YOU SEE MOVEMENT, YOU KNOW, DIVERSITY.AND I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
SO THIS RELATES TO ADVOCACY BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WE CREATE A WELCOMING, INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM.
SO THIS WEB PAGE IS, IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR WEBSITE IS A LOT MORE SIMPLE THAN IT USED TO BE, BUT I, I THINK LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY FILING A COMPLAINT.
IF I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE I'M GOING TO FILE, I JUST, I'M NOT LIKELY TO FILE IT.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE CLEAN LINES.
YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT DIVERSITY, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO FOR GOVERNMENT STUFF, FOR SERVICES, FOR COMMUNITY STUFF, FOR BUSINESS STUFF, YOU KNOW? AND IT'S JUST SIMPLE.
THIS IS SIMPLIFIED TO ME WITH THAT TOO.
THERE'S RIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGES REPORT, A PROBLEM, BIDS, ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, PERMITS, IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT PAGE FILES AND FORMS. YOU KNOW, HOW YOU, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU HAVE LIKE, MAKE A COMPLAINT RIGHT HERE ON THE FRONT PAGE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IN FILES AND FORMS OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE, I THINK USER-FRIENDLY AND TRANSPARENT.
SO DO WE WANT TO COME UP WITH A, A QUICK LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS? I AM TRYING TO PULL UP MY SHEET TO DO THAT AS WELL.
I CAN PULL UP, I WAS TRYING TO JUST PULL UP LIKE THE WHITEBOARD, BUT PULL UP A STOP SHARING.
UM, YEAH, SORRY, EARLIER GUYS THAT MY, UH, MY COMPUTER JUST WENT COMPLETELY.
LIKE WE'D LOST HER, BUT I KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THOSE ACTIONABLE ITEMS TOO.
I'M NOT SHARING A WORD DOCUMENT.
SO, SO ONE, I WOULD SAY THE WEB PAGE QUICK NOTES, WEB PAGE IS PARKING LOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, WHAT DID WE SAY THAT THE THINGS WE WERE LOOKING TO TAKE TO THE COMMISSION, UM, WERE GOING TO BE, UM, LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAS THE WEBSITE, UM, FOR US.
AND THEN, UM, THE EMAIL ADDRESS FOR YOU.
UM, AND I GUESS WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING TO UPDATE THE LAYOUT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES ON THE WEBPAGE OR WEBSITE AND EMAIL ADDRESS FOR I'M GOING TO PUT EDUCATION AND ADVOCACY.
AND THEN THE DISCUSSION IN THAT EMAIL ADDRESS OF INCLUDING THE FORM FOR POLICE TO, TO INITIATE THE POLICE INVESTIGATIONS OR WHAT WAS, WHAT DID THE CITY WANT US TO DO WITH THAT? UM, FOR POLICE, UM, UM, THIS IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL.
SO WE GOT THE WEBSITE, EMAIL ADDRESS FOR EDUCATION ADVOCACY FORM FOR POLICE COMPLAINTS
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INCLUDED ON THAT ADVOCACY WEBSITE.UH, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THIS ADVOCACY WEBSITE, WE'LL BE WE'LL THEN INCLUDE THE PROCESS TO REPORT.
UM, WHAT WAS IT I'M LOOKING AT? I WAS THINKING BACK TO OUR, WHAT WE SAID WAS OUR GOAL, OUR MISSION SHOES, A DISCRIMINATION I'LL PULL IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE IT UP AND WANT TO TELL ME I CAN TYPE IT IN HERE.
FOR SOME REASON, MY ADOBE STARTED LIKE TALKING OVER MY GOOGLE DOCS.
I HAVE TO GO ABOUT THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY TO COORDINATE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY CARE.
LET ME HAVE, YOU'RE SHARING YOUR SCREEN.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK ENGLISH SPEAKING OR THOSE WHO ARE NOT COMPUTER SAVVY.
UM, EXCESS, I FILL OUT THE PHONE, I'LL MAKE THIS CLEANER.
I'M JUST CAPTURING THE HIGH TOP.
FIND A COMPLAINT ON THE WEBSITE.
SO THAT'S THE ADVOCACY WEBSITE AND EMAIL ADDRESS THEN FOR THE WEB PAGE, WE SAID THE WEB PAGE.
SO FRANKLIN PARK, I MEAN, YOU MAKE THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS, CANNOT FIND, UM, COMPLAINT PROCESS AGAIN, JUST REITERATING THAT IT RIGHT.
WEBSITE IS NOT VERY TRANSACTIONAL.
I LIKE THAT RHONDA, UM, DOES NOT ENGAGE YEAH.
MORE OF THE COMMUNITY AND INCLUSION ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT BEST PRACTICE STUFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE MAY NOT GET THEM TO PUT A STATEMENT ON THE HOME PAGE, BUT SOMEWHERE ON OUR WEBSITE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF DIVERSITY STATEMENT.
IF IT'S TRULY WHAT WE BELIEVE AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, IMAGES THROUGHOUT THE WEBSITE SHOULD BE OF INDIVIDUALS FROM UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS IN LEADERSHIP ROLES ARE CONNECTING WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY BRANDS, UM, WHETHER IT'S FIRE, POLICE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVICES, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE OUR CITY ON OUR WEBSITE REFLECT, DRIVE THAT DIVERSITY THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS VERY BROAD.
YOU KNOW, NOW I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
SO, UM, JEAN, FROM THE EDUCATIONAL STANDPOINT, THEY WERE PUTTING EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES ON
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THE SITE, BUT ALSO FOR ADVOCACY, SINCE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF ECONOMIC PIECE TO ALSO THAT WE INCLUDE SOME OF OUR, OUR MINORITY BIZ OR RECOGNIZE OUR MINORITY MM.AND I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE ON OUR SITE AND ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SITE.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS NOT EATEN DINNER YET? I HAVE THE VERY BAD TENDENCY TO EAT, LIKE ONCE A DAY.
SO I'M THE ONLY LIKE SHELBY PERSON THAT NEVER EATS.
I'M LIKE OBSESSED WITH CARBS, I GUESS.
UM, I THREW LIKE A CHICKEN BREAST AND A MICROWAVE BAG OF VEGGIES.
UM, AND LIKE SNARKY AT EIGHT O'CLOCK THAT'S BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER THOUGH, FOR ME, I AGREE.
IT'S RAISED A LITTLE BIT MESS IT JUST GRAZED, BUT, UM, WE ARE THE BUSY ONES.
SO I THINK THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, RAPID ACTION PROCESS RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE TAKING TO COUNCIL THOUGH, RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF OUR RAPID ACTION, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CREATE KIND OF OUR RAPID ACTION PLAN.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE SOLIDIFIED THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT TO COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT A SIMILAR STANDARD FOR RESPONSE FROM A CITY LEVEL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP IS WHAT DO WE EXPECT FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF RAPID ACTION? SO I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY, THE WEBSITE, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE WEBSITE PERSON IS.
SOME THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FASCIA HAPPEN.
IT MIGHT BE, UM, SARAH, SHE DOES THE FACEBOOK PAGE.
IS THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? SARAH WILLIAMS? YEAH.
WHEN I LOOK AT OUR, OUR MOTTO, WHAT IS IT, COME GROW WITH US, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE, IN THE WEB PAGE.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY OF TROTWOOD THE CITY OF GROWTH AND PROGRESS, YOU SEE MOVEMENT AND TO HAVE GROWTH IN PROGRESS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE MOVEMENT.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME GROW WITH US, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GROW WITH US? ARE THEY GONNA GROW WITH, GROW WITH US AT THE ROSE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT HAS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF IT ALL HAS TO TIE IN.
THERE'S A LOT MORE AREAS OF THE CITY THEY COULD HIGHLIGHT AS WELL VERSUS ALL THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE CHOSEN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND WE'VE GOT SO MANY NEW LIKE DEVELOPMENTS AND BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN ATTRACT ABSOLUTELY THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST YOU SAYING, YOU KNOW, OVER OFF A BELL FOUNTAIN AND, AND YOU KNOW, THOSE IT'S, THE AREAS ARE, ARE THE SURROUNDING AREAS FOR EXPANSION ARE, ARE NOT JUST, AND THAT'S THE THING I THINK THAT I LIKE ABOUT TROUT WOOD'S WEBSITE IS YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE MORE URBAN CITY CENTRIC.
THERE'S SOME PLACE FOR THEM, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE MORE RURAL AND COUNTRY AT THAT BILLING FOR THEM, FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE METRO
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SIDE OF THINGS, THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THEM.SO, I MEAN, AND WE'VE GOT THAT TOO.
WE'VE GOT THAT SAME FEEL HERE.
THERE'S SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY RURAL METRO.
ALTHOUGH THE RULE, YOU KNOW, IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE LIKE BACKYARD CHICKENS.
SO WE'RE NOT THAT RULE, BUT, BUT YOU SEE HOW THEY DIDN'T CATEGORIZE IT AS NORTH AND SOUTH, IT WAS MORE URBAN, RURAL METRO ENO.
RHONDA, WE TABLED, I GUESS WHAT DID WE TABLE THE HOUSE BILL AND FOOD.
WE DID A LITTLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOUSE BILL, BUT PREDOMINANTLY LIKE HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, DEADLINE'S ALREADY INDICATED HE'S VETOING THAT IF IT EVER MAKES IT TO HIS DESK, OH, HE SAID THAT HE SPOKE OUT AFTER THE SHOOTINGS IN THE OREGON DISTRICT, OR USE THAT AS HIS REASONING BEHIND SUCH A THING THAT, THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE, UM, IT'S TONE DEAF AT BEST, I THINK IS HOW HE PUT IT, UM, TO, TO ENACT THIS KIND OF LEGISLATION.
WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY A BILL, SO I I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT HE PLANS TO DO WITH IT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S A SERIOUS, IT'S A SERIOUS DEAL.
I MEAN IT, AND GUYS, PLEASE READ IT LIKE PHASE TO PAGE.
I RAN IT FROM PAGE TO PAGE TO REALLY GET INTO THAT BETWEEN MEETINGS.
UM, BUT I ABSOLUTELY SO WE CAN ADD THAT TO OLD BUSINESS IF YOU DON'T MIND TO FINE, ABSOLUTELY FINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DISCUSS SCHEDULES FOR NEXT MONTH.
UM, IF WE STUCK WITH THIS MONDAY, IT'S A MLP.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO, UH, BEFORE OR AFTER OR LATER THAT WEEK, PLEASE.
I'M YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE THE, THE BUSY ONES, YOU KNOW, COMPARATIVE.