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PROBABLY AN EVENING SCHEDULE.

SO IT'S REALLY AT YOUR NEED.

UM, AND I'LL MAKE IT WORK.

SOCCER FOR US HAS BEEN A SUNDAY AFTERNOON EVENT NOW.

SO YEAH, I WAS THINKING, UM, OUTREACH.

WHEN IS OUR MEETING? I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT ARE WHAT'S ON THE PLAN FOR MLK? I TALKED TO MINISTER WALKER.

HE DID SAY THAT I, IF I NEED TO SAY THIS PUBLICLY IN THIS MEETING, WE'LL TALK LATER.

IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA ANYWAY, SO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THAT MEETING TIME.

SO I CAN'T MEET ON THIS IS GETTING HARD.

OKAY.

I HAVE CLASS ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

I HAVE WHAT I HAVE IN RHONDA.

YOU CAN'T DO MONDAYS AT ALL.

MONDAYS ARE TOUGH FOR ME, BARELY GETTING IN THE DOOR.

I PROBABLY CAN BE TUESDAYS LATER.

TUESDAYS ARE GOOD FOR ME, FOR ME, IF WE WANT TO DO WHAT'S LATER.

CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NINE O'CLOCK MEETINGS.

I'M IN MY PJ'S.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D BE AN HONEST ME AND YOU COULD PROBABLY PULL OFF AN 11 O'CLOCK MEETING.

PROBABLY COULD, BUT I'M REALLY TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GETTING UP A LOT EARLIER LATELY AND I FEEL BETTER WHEN I CAN GET TO BED AT THIS NIGHT, BUT A LOT OF MY WORK GETS DONE.

YEAH.

ABOUT TWO, THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, COME DOWNSTAIRS.

I'M MOVING AWAY FROM THAT FOR THE NEW YEAR, 10 DAYS, GET UP REALLY EARLY.

EVEN IF I HAD TO GET UP AT FOUR O'CLOCK TO GO TO BED, THEY HEAR ME FROM NINE TO FIVE.

SO BY SEVEN I'M USUALLY CRISPY.

SO I'M WORKING ON ONE RIGHT NOW.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO I'LL, WE'LL HAVE A SIDE CONVERSATION, BUT VERY BUSY TODAY, TUESDAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A MEETING EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK EITHER.

YEAH.

UH, REFORM AGAIN UNTIL THE 25TH.

UM, IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE TUESDAYS WE HAVE TO BE AROUND THIS MONTH WOULD BE THE 19TH OF JANUARY WOULD BE ABOUT A MONTH OUT.

IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT DAY, WE COULD DO WHATEVER.

IF WE HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT WHATEVERS.

OKAY.

EIGHT O'CLOCK I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE BIBLE STUDY AT SEVEN.

SO, UM, SO WE, WE GOT THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON JUST KIND OF RECAPPING THE STATEMENT, THE SOLID DARITY I WOULD LIKE TO, I I'LL START THAT ONE IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, JUST BECAUSE I HAD SOME VERBIAGE I REALLY LIKED, UM, AND THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT ONE, UM, ON THE BACKEND FOR REVISIONS.

BUT IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO TAKE ON THAT STATE STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY TO GET STARTED.

AND WHEN DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DONE? YOU MEAN FOR CASEY? YEAH.

YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUPPORT? YEAH.

YEAH.

AND IN SEEING AS A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE MORE, THE VERBIAGE USED THAT WE STAND WITH THE FAMILY AND SOLIDARITY, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, VERB FOR, FOR SUPPORT.

SO, UM, THIS FUNERAL IS THE 23RD.

IT'S NOT PUBLIC, BUT, UM, I COULD HAVE THAT.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY WE WILL HAVE IT FINALIZED TO, TO SUBMIT TO ANYONE, UM, LET ALONE, WHAT AVENUES DO WE HAVE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO POST THAT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, SINCE WE'RE TECHNICALLY PART OF THE

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CITY, DOESN'T EVERYTHING KIND OF HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM.

YEAH, THAT, THAT DOESN'T THAT I THINK THAT IF WE SAY A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, I DON'T KNOW, TARA, MAYBE DO WE NEED IT JUST TO GET A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT OUT AND WORK BECAUSE YEAH.

MAYBE THEY DO NEED TO APPROVE A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, BUT I THINK A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO.

I COULD DO YOLANDA COULD DO.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT CAN WE DO IT IN THE NAME OF A COMMISSION THAT'S UNDER THE CITY IS THE QUESTION.

I DON'T SEE WHY I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.

WELL, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT.

NOW, STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY, SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WELL, I WILL THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING IT.

I THINK IT WAS MORE THE PUSHBACK WE HAD GOTTEN ABOUT POSTING ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND HOW EVERYTHING NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THEM.

SO I THINK IF WE MAKE THAT STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY AND WANT IT POSTED, OR THE STATEMENT OF SUPPORT, WANT IT POSTED ON THAT FACEBOOK SITE, THEN WE JUST SEND IT TO THEM AND TELL THEM TO POST IT.

AND THEN IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, THEY CAN TELL US.

I THINK THAT, AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE VERY CANDID.

I THINK THAT A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT TO A FAMILY MEMBER WHO LOST A SON, ANY PERSON SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL WOULD APPRECIATE.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOLIDARITY, THAT WORD IS TIED TO A MOVEMENT AND EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL MAY NOT SUPPORT THAT MOVEMENT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE MAY GET SOME PUSHBACK, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON COUNCIL OR CITY WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH US SENDING A MOTHER, A LETTER OF SUPPORT.

I'M JUST VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S SEMANTICS, BUT POLITICS.

I AGREE.

I AGREE.

I STILL, I, I, WELL, WHEN WOULD WE SIN? WE DIDN'T SAY THAT.

WHEN WOULD WE SEND IT? I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO GET TURNED AROUND IN TIME FOR THE FUNERAL ON WEDNESDAY, I MEAN, BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE TO HAVE IT SENT TO THE TWO OF YOU FOR REVISIONS AND CONVERSATION TOMORROW AFTERNOON.

WE'LL PROBABLY EVENING.

UM, I DID, I HAVE TO, I DEFINITELY HAVE TO GO INTO MY OFFICE TOMORROW TO WORK AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO BE.

CAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YA, UM, I HAVE A STATEMENT OF SOLIDARITY PULLED UP.

I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO BOTH OF YOU ALL I KNOW THIS IS YEAH.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL DO A STATEMENT OF SUPPORT AND WE ARE SENDING THAT TO THEM VIA MAIL IN A NICE FORMAT.

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

I MEAN IT, EVEN IF THEY, I THINK THEY GOT IT ANYTIME NEXT WEEK, IT'D BE FINE.

WELL, THE FIRST CASE I'LL SHOOT FOR TOMORROW EVENING, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE, IT MIGHT BE WEDNESDAY MORNING.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE STATEMENT OF SUPPORT.

AND THEN THERE WAS, WE HAVE ALREADY THE, UM, THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND WE'LL, WE'LL PULL THAT OUT INTO ITS OWN DOCKET AND KIND OF FOCUS THAT.

AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING.

WHAT WAS THAT THING? UM, THEY'RE GOING TO THE PROTOCOL, I THINK, UM, FURTHER WORK ON DEFINING THE PURPOSE, MISSION STATEMENT, UM, PURPOSE INITIATIVES, WHICH WE SAID WE ALREADY REALLY HAVE.

WE JUST NEED TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.

SO WHO, HOW ARE WE DOING THAT? WHO'S I CAN TAKE THAT ON.

OKAY.

WE WANT TO START WITH THE RAPID ACTION PLAN OR THE PROTOCOLS FOR AS A COMMITTEE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO HOLD OFF AND RE TOUCH BASE ON IN JANUARY

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OR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, START THE DOCUMENT IN THE BACKEND AND THEN, UM, ON THE BACK END HAVE FUN.

ONE MORE MEETING IN JANUARY, I THINK AT LEAST START TO BRAINSTORM WHAT WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT, BUT THEN REALLY PULL THAT TOGETHER AT THE NEXT MEETING, PROBABLY BECAUSE WE DID OUR NEXT YEAH, BECAUSE WE GOT THE HOLIDAYS IN A YEAR AND THEN WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE SEVENTH, SO THAT'S JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY.

SO THE ONLY THING REPORT OUT AT THE MEETING ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'LL MAKE TO COUNCIL AND WE'LL BRAINSTORM WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT RAPID ACTION PLAN.

I CAN COME PREPARED TO THE NEXT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE BRAINSTORMED AND THEN PULL IT TOGETHER.

RIGHT.

COOL.

WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING? NOPE.

OTHER THAN FOOD? NO.

MA'AM, I'LL GET YOU SOME DINNER, GO GRAB SOMETHING TO EAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD COMING BACK FROM CLIFTON MILL LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS ALMOST 10 O'CLOCK AND THEN YOU REMEMBER THAT THE CARPETS CLOSE AND EVERYTHING ROLLS UP AT 10 O'CLOCK.

SO WE GOT SOME, A DRIVE THROUGH WENDY'S CAUSE WE COULDN'T SIT DOWN AND EAT ANYWHERE.

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

VISIT WITH YOU AGAIN SHORTLY GIRLS' TRIP.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE, THE LADIES FROM THE COMMISSION SHOULD DO THAT.

SO THEY COOK THE MEALS YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN, BUT YOU CAN GO BACK YEAH, WE GOT TO WRITE A SEPARATE CARD WITH THE WINDOWS DOWN.

ALL RIGHT.

LADIES WAS BEEN GOOD.

I WILL TALK TO YOU.

AND NOT THAT LONG AGAIN, THAT HOLIDAY, YOU SHOULD SEE IT HERE.

POP UP.

YOU SEE WHERE IT'S RECORDING.

OKAY, PERFECT.

YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD EVENING, RIGHT? SO ARE YOU GUYS ALL DOING GOOD, MAN? HOW ABOUT YOU? NOT BAD.

NOT BAD.

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.

I'M TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, MY LAST FEW MINUTES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL MY LAST MINUTE CHRISTMAS SHOPPING IN RIGHT.

JUST A FEW DAYS AWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DO MY BEST CHRISTMAS SHOPPING, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M UNDER PRESSURE.

UH, I'LL GET THERE THOUGH.

ANYWAY.

WELL, LET'S GET STARTED.

UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IT.

UH, LET'S SEE.

SIX 31, UM, M UH, I GUESS AT THIS TIME, I GUESS WE'LL DO A, I GUESS A FORMER ROLL CALL, TARA PURPOSE, UH, ERIC RICHARDSON PRESENT AS TO FIND RAMIREZ.

OKAY.

ALRIGHTY.

SO I GUESS WE'LL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, I THINK EVERYONE DID GET A COPY OF THE MINUTES THAT WERE SENT OUT BY TARA.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEP.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES, THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

OKAY.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I DO HAVE ONE, I GUESS COMMENT.

I THINK IT WAS MY SPELLING AND IT'S MINOR, RIGHT? LIKE EARLY ON IN THE, UH, YEAH, NOT A BIG, NOT A BIG

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DEAL.

RIGHT.

VERY MINOR.

RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S IT.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

ALL AYES HAVE IT.

UM, MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

IT'S TOUGH.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, TODD.

NOW YOU DID A PRETTY THOROUGH JOB.

OH MY GOD.

WOW.

YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE WERE.

I MEAN, THOSE WERE, I MEAN, THOSE WERE EXCELLENT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THAT LEVEL OF EXPECTING THAT IT WAS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS OF LIKE NOTHING VERSUS JUST, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DICTATION.

SO, UH, I'LL FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM EXACTLY.

BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT IS TIME CONSUMING.

RIGHT.

AND I DEFINITELY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OTHER ACTS, I KNOW YOU'RE ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY OTHER ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A MAJOR WORKLOAD, SO YEAH.

I DEFINITELY JUST TRY TO CATCH THE SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S YOUR CALL, RIGHT.

AGAIN, I DO IT RIGHT, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MORE WORK ON YOU THAN NECESSARILY RIGHT.

WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING TOGETHER THESE MINUTES.

BUT THANK YOU THOUGH.

THEY WERE, THEY WERE VERY DETAIL, UH, CAPTURE THE DISCUSSION.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I GUESS, UH, EXCUSE, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS.

RIGHT? SO, UM, FROM OUR MEETING LAST MONTH, UH, WE, EXCUSE ME, MY ALLERGIES THAT ARE AFFECTING SO MANY WAYS.

SO FROM LAST MONTH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPENT SOME TIME OBVIOUSLY, UH, AFTER, YOU KNOW, GETTING ALL THE DATA FROM, FROM ROCK SHOMER WE, WE SAID, HEY, HOW DO WE WANT TO TACKLE REVIEWING THIS DATA, HELPING WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE, THE INFORMATION FROM THE NAACP ON THE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE.

AND SO, UM, KEEPING WAS, WE WANTED TO SPEND SOME TIME SEEING HOW THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMPLIANT WITH THOSE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE FROM THE NAACP.

SO WE SAID, WE BASICALLY, EACH OF US WOULD GO BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THE POINTS, LOOK AT THE DATA.

AND AGAIN, COME BACK WITH COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMPILE THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEN TAKE THAT FORWARD TO ROB.

SO WITH THAT, I GUESS WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, IF YOU WILL, WE CAN START WITH, LOOK, I KNOW WE SPENT A LITTLE TIME LAST MONTH LOOKING AT ONE OR TWO OF THE INITIATIVES FROM THE NAACP.

SO I GUESS GIVEN THAT, SO WE ALL HAD SOME, SOME, SOME TIME NOW TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT DEEPER, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE INFORMATION, UM, AT THIS POINT, I GUESS WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN START WITH THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE OR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, POINT THAT'S BEING MADE THERE.

AND THEN LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND ARE, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, INITIATIVE AND WHERE WE THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME WORK DONE, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT.

TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.

IF WE FEEL THAT IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH WHAT THE NWCP IS CALLED FOR.

SO WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN START WITH THE FIRST ONE, HOLD ON.

I THOUGHT I HAD THAT UP.

SO HOLD ON A SECOND.

SORRY, MAN.

I WAS REALLY KICKING IN TODAY.

UM, OKAY.

SO, SO THE FIRST ONE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, THE REQUIREMENT OR THE DESIRE FOR THERE TO BE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, RIGHT.

THAT'S EMPOWERED WITH SUBPOENA POWERS TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC DUE TO MISCONDUCT, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, SORRY, CONCERNING MISCONDUCT BY POLICE OFFICERS.

RIGHT.

AND SO, UM, AND AS YOU LOOK AT, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I SAW, RIGHT? SUMMARIZE THE RESPONSE AND YOU RISE POLICE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT BASICALLY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PROCESS, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, HANDLING COMPLAINTS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THEIR WHOLE PROCESS FOR, FOR DOING INVESTIGATIONS.

RIGHT.

AND THEY MENTIONED

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HOW THEY WERE COMPLIANT WITH THE, UH, KALIA, WHAT DOES THAT, THE OHIO COLLABORATION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE SAW THERE WAS THAT IT REALLY DIDN'T ADDRESS OR SPEAK TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE NWCP IS LOOKING FOR.

RIGHT.

WHICH IS REALLY HAD, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY HERE.

IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE JUST DOING AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, RIGHT.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION FOR A PARTICULAR COMPLAINT OR ISSUE THAT COMES UP, THAT COMES UP IF YOU WILL.

RIGHT.

AND SO THIS YEAR DOESN'T REALLY, AGAIN, MEET THE INTENDED THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF CITIZENS, A REVIEW BOARD WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY IN CONCERT WITH, RIGHT.

I GUESS IN PARALLEL WITH THEIR INVESTIGATION, I ASSUME THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE ARTIFACTS, THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING COLLECTED, IF YOU WILL.

AND, AND, AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, SO, SO AGAIN, IT, IT APPEARS IN MY MIND THAT THERE IS FALLING SHORT ON AT LEAST TRYING TO MEET THAT INTENT.

RIGHT.

SO LET ME JUST KINDA OPEN IT UP FOR, FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.

NO, I, I WOULD AGREE.

I THINK THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR, UH, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BOARD HERE, BECAUSE THEY KIND OF MENTIONED THAT WELL, UM, IN HUBER HEIGHTS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER, CAUSE THIS THING WAS BACK IN JUNE, RIGHT? SO THEY KIND OF MADE MENTION, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UH, COMMISSION.

BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THE MISSION OF THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, IT'S NOT CLOSE TO WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SUBPOENA POWER AS FAR AS, UH, IS THERE A PROCESS THAT REVIEWS POLICE COMPLAINTS, UH, AND THAT KIND OF DEAL, OR EVEN, CAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE FOR DAYTON, YOU, YOU FILE YOUR POLICE COMPLAINT.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SEND THAT TO THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE FOR THEM TO REVIEW.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE'D LINE UP.

I THINK THERE'S A GAP.

GOTCHA.

GOTCHA.

AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, IS IT, I KNOW, RIGHT.

THEY PUT TOGETHER THIS OBVIOUSLY OURS.

SO THAT MEANS THEY PUT TOGETHER THE PUT TO GET OUT OF DIVERSITY AND CULTURE, UH, UH, UM, COMMISSION, IF YOU WILL.

RIGHT.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, IS IT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT WE, AS THE COMMISSION SERVICE THAT COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, OR IS IT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT EITHER IT'D BE US OR THAT A, WE VIEW BOARD A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD BE PUT TOGETHER TO SERVE IN THAT PURPOSE.

RIGHT? WHETHER IT BE US AS A GROUP OR AT LEAST SOME ROUTE BE PUT TOGETHER TO SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.

I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, MAYBE THAT'S THE QUESTION.

I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE WITH US SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY IS THE VERBIAGE USED IN THE EIGHT POINT INITIATIVE THAT, UM, THE REVIEW BOARD SHOULD BE, UM, ELECTED AND WE ARE NOT A LEFT.

SO IF WE ARE DESERVING THAT CAPACITY, YOU, THEN THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LINE UP BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS BY THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, RIGHT? YEAH.

NO GOOD POINT.

SO THAT'S WHY IN MY MIND, I DON'T, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S RIGHT.

SO IF THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO BE ELECTED, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT I DON'T CARE IF IT'S, IF IT'S US OR, OR IF IT'S A, NOT THE GROUP THAT'S PUT TOGETHER.

THE KEY THING IS WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAT PUT IN PLACE TO REVIEW COMPLAINTS.

CORRECT? RIGHT.

CORRECT.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THERE.

I THINK THE END RESULT NEEDS TO BE, WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE BECAUSE AS YOU GO AND YOU LOOK FURTHER DOWN, YOU KNOW, AND I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ROB CAN HELP HELP ME OR HELP, OR MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME FURTHER UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE WERE LIKE SIX FORMAL COMPLAINTS.

OKAY.

I MEAN, SIX IS, I MEAN, THAT'S A LOW NUMBER AND THAT'S GOOD.

AND I TRULY HOPE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT SOMETHING IN MY GUT TELLS ME THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER.

RIGHT.

UM, SO, BUT AS A CITIZEN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW OF AN OPTION THAT I HAVE.

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YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OTHER THAN FILL OUT THAT PAMPHLET THAT SAID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT IT.

YEP.

YEP.

SO I WOULD AGREE.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, AND I GET IT, IT MAY NOT BE OUR COMMISSION, UM, FOR THAT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE THERE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR CHARTER, IT HAS AN INSIDE OF DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR US TO BE THAT WE MAY ALSO SERVE AS A REVIEW, A REVIEW SLASH ADVISORY PANEL FOR INVESTIGATIONS OR COMPLAINT RESOLUTION.

SO HOW I CAN SEE IT IS THAT WHAT OUR POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WOULD TO PURSUE A, UH, TO PURSUE ACTION, TO FORMALIZE A, UH, COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD, WHETHER THAT BE US, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DUTIES, MAYBE OUR DUTY RESPONSIBILITIES OR A SEPARATE FUNCTION FOR ADDITIONAL CITIZENS TO, TO TAKE OVER UNDER THERE UNDER US, BUT AS A SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, ENTITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF, UH, WELL, THE TIME AND EFFORT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

BUT I SEE THAT THAT'S IN OUR, IN OUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE COMMISSION MAY SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.

I THINK OUR RECOMMENDATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION COULD BE TO FORMALIZE THROUGH, THROUGH ACTION TO, TO PURSUE THAT IF WE NEED TO FILL THAT GAP, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

NO GOOD POINT.

I'M GLAD YOU, I'M GLAD YOU, UH, YOU REVIEWED THAT CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.

I THINK THERE IS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT US HAVING OR SERVING IN THAT SOMEWHAT IN THAT CAPACITY.

I'VE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW COMPLAINTS.

SO, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT UNDER THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES? YES.

THAT'S THE LAST SENTENCE.

YEAH.

SO GIVEN THAT WE DON'T TECHNICALLY, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS WHAT THE NAACP RECOMMENDED THAT THERE BE AN ELECTED, UH, UH, ELECTED MEMBERSHIP, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.

THE KEY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE COULD ACTUALLY SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.

RIGHT.

AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS IT'S, AS LONG AS WE DO, LIKE YOU SAID, IF I MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, FORMALIZE THAT, THAT PROCESS, RIGHT.

MAYBE SOMETHING FROM THIS, I MEAN, FROM THE CITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NEED TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT LAYS OUT HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

RIGHT.

I MEAN THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THE KEY THING IS WE, WE COULD SERVE AS THOSE MEMBERS, BUT I THINK THEY PROBABLY NEED TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD PUT TOGETHER, UH, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE NOW, DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHOULD PUT TOGETHER? OR MAYBE WE DO SOME RESEARCH ON HOW THAT REALLY WORKS TO COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO DO SOME HOMEWORK ON THAT.

RIGHT.

BUT I GUESS IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY COULD PROVIDE, UM, SINCE THEY, THEY MENTIONED IT, RIGHT.

I MEAN, THEY PUT TOGETHER THE INITIAL LANGUAGE, RIGHT.

UM, FOR THE COMMISSION, RIGHT.

SAYING THAT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

RIGHT.

THEY PUT THAT TOGETHER.

SO, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THE POSSIBILITY ON THEM TO, UH, LAY THAT OUT AND THEN WE CAN COMMENT, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

BUT AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US IF WE WANT TO AT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT WE THINK SHOULD MAKE SENSE.

I MEAN, WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE? I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS CONSIDERING IT, BUT I'M JUST THINKING IT, THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD, UH, TAKE THAT ON.

RIGHT.

SO THEY DO THIS, THIS MISSION IS THEY'RE SERVING IN THAT ROLE TO SOME DEGREE.

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT COULD BE A CLARIFICATION, LIKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO, TO, UH, TO SHOW HER, JUST TO LOOK, TO CLARIFY OUR, OUR ROLE, IS IT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP THESE TYPE OF, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRESENT TO EXECUTE OR FOR US TO, UH, BUILD UP RECOMMENDATIONS TO A POINT LIKE ERIC, JUST TO ADJUST IT TO A POINT WHERE THERE CAN BE A, A PROPER FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION TO PRESENT TO THE CITY, UH, ON, WELL, ON OUR BEHALF BASICALLY.

AND MY ONLY THING WAS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GET INTO THE BUSINESSES OF DEVELOPING A PROCESS.

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE EXPERTISE AGAIN TO,

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TO, TO DO THAT.

RIGHT.

OR WHAT A, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE FOR, FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT.

THEY HAVE IT ALL IN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AND THEY HANDLE COMPLAINTS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT AREA.

I THINK WE, I KNOW WE NEED TO HAVE ONE, RIGHT.

BUT IN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WON'T BE PUT IN PLACE, BUT I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE WORK ON, ON US THAN NECESSARY, RIGHT.

BY DEVELOPING A PROCESS FOR HOW WE DO A CITIZEN COMPLAINT REVIEWS.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST, I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T PUT TOO MUCH ON OURSELVES.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, SO HOW I SEE IT IS THAT THE WORK, THE, THE, THE END PRODUCT AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BE DEVELOPED BY US OUTSOURCED USING TAXPAYERS MONEY OR REASSIGNED OR ASSIGNED TO THE PERSONNEL WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY'S ADMINISTRATION.

RIGHT.

SO THEN YOU, YOU GET TO A POINT OF, UM, CAPACITY LIMITS, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING FORMAL RELATIONSHIP RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF US? SO I, IT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD THINK OF, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IF WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE AL SORTS FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, UM, WELL, I'M ONLY FORGOT THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING THE, FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WHERE WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, RIGHT.

WE'RE OUTSOURCING THAT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A FORMAL PROCESS TO BE BUDGETED OUTRIGHT.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, SOME, SOME POINT WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE, HAVE TO BE, UH, TIME AND RESOURCES ALLOCATED TO EXECUTE THE RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF, OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE BASED OFF OF US, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THESE EIGHT STEPS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING OUR OWN TIME TO GO THROUGH THESE, THESE, UH, THIS INFORMATION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD KEEP ON THE BACK OF HER MIND THAT IF WE'RE RECOMMENDING, RECOMMENDING IT TO BE DONE OR REVIEWED BY THE CITY, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE A CAPACITY TO DO? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SPEND THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO LOOK INTO? SO THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD.

GOOD POINT.

I THINK MAYBE THAT'S A PART OF THE CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NEXT STEP WAS THAT WE WOULD CIRCLE BACK WITH ROB MAYBE NEXT, NEXT MONTH.

RIGHT.

AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK IN TERMS OF HOW TO BEST MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH.

WHAT CAN THE CITY, WHAT'S IT, WHAT WILL THE CITY BE ABLE TO DO VERSUS US VERSUS OUTSOURCING? YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

SO I, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

CAUSE I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN JUST HAVE THEM REACH OUT BECAUSE I'M WITH YOU, ERIC.

I MEAN, BY NO MEANS, MAN, I'M NO EXPERT ON TRYING TO PULL THIS TOGETHER, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ASK ROB TO SAY, HEY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF DAYTON HAS ONE, CAN YOU PULL THEIR PROGRAM FOR US TO LOOK AT AND READ? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF TROUT WOULD HAS ONE, CAN YOU PULL THAT PROGRAM SO WE CAN READ IT IF COLUMBUS HAS ONE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, USE THAT KIND OF THING, GO PULL THOSE PROGRAMS. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN REVIEW THOSE TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME PROS AND CONS OUT OF ALL OF THEM AND BETWEEN US AND HIM, WE TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WE THINK WORKS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.

YEAH.

TOTALLY AGREE.

YEAH.

CAUSE RIGHT.

I'D RATHER DO THAT.

HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW AND COMMENT ON VERSUS US THE DEVELOPING SOMETHING, RIGHT.

I'M WITH YOU, YOU GET APPROVED SO THAT THAT'S TRYING TO KEEP, KEEP IN MIND, HEY, YOU KNOW, OUR TIME, YOU KNOW, OUR TIME MANAGEMENT AND PRIORITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO.

OKAY.

GOOD.

ANY TIRED? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD? DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR POINT? I THINK THAT IT'S JUST, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION ON WHO IS THE GROUP.

THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SUBPOENA POWERS TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION IN TANDEM WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND AS SOON AS WE CAN ASCERTAIN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT DETAIL, IT WILL MAKE THINGS A LITTLE EASIER.

UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I REALLY PICKED OUT OF.

IT WAS THE, THE SUBPOENA POWERS, YOU KNOW, AND THE POSE TO BE DULY ELECTED, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OR THE OTHER, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE'RE NEITHER.

SO YEAH, EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

I GUESS I WONDER WHEN THEY SAY SUBPOENA POWERS, DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN CALL A POLICE OFFICE? SO LET'S SAY A POLICE OFFICER THAT'S BEEN ACCUSED OF A PARTICULAR ACT.

RIGHT.

WE CAN BRING HIM BEFORE US AND WE INTERROGATE HIM, NOT INTERROGATE, BUT ASK HIM QUESTION, I GUESS, I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE COULD, LIKE YOU SAID, SEE, WHAT'S OUT THERE OF THAT CAN BE BROUGHT IF SOMETHING'S ALREADY BEEN PUT TOGETHER THAT

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WE CAN USE A LEVERAGE.

UM, I THINK THAT WILL BE THE RIGHT, RIGHT.

UH, STEP TO TAKE, SO, OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT POINT.

UH, THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, LET'S SEE, CREATE A MORE TRANSPARENT PROCESS AROUND ACCOUNTABILITY OF OFFICERS WHO VIOLATE, UM, CITIZENS' RIGHTS, UM, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

RIGHT.

AND SO, UM, SO IN THEIR RESPONSE, THEY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, CALL OUT, UM, YEAH, JUST SAY, OKAY, THE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

UM, AND, AND, BUT THEY, THEY GO INTO A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YEAH, OKAY.

I GOT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THEY HAVE THEIR PROCESS AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

UM, AND THEN IT SAYS, UH, UM, YEAH, THAT THEY PRODUCED THIS ANNUAL REPORT.

RIGHT.

IT COMES OUT THAT PEOPLE CAN REVIEW AFTER THE FACT RIGHT.

ANNUALLY, YOU CAN GET THIS REPORT AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS, UM, THAT WERE, I GUESS, THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

RIGHT.

AND SO I GUESS, AS I LOOK AT THIS ONE AS WELL, I I'M SORRY.

AND MAYBE PART OF IT TOO IS MAYBE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE INTENT FROM, FROM THE NAACP, WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

RIGHT.

UM, LET ME TALK ABOUT MAKING THEIR NAMES, UM, MADE A BIT, I MEAN, MAKING THEIR NAMES BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT MEANS LIKE VIA SOME SORT OF WEBSITE OR IF YOU WILL, BUT, UM, IT MAY BE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, NOT WAITING UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

RIGHT.

MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IMMEDIATE, MORE, UH, MORE IMMEDIATE, BUT SOMETHING MORE CURRENT, RIGHT.

IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY, KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER THAT'S UNDER INVESTIGATION.

RIGHT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT, UH, WHAT, THAT'S, WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE PER SE.

RIGHT.

BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY MEET ME AN INTENT OF WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR.

I MEAN, THEY'RE SAYING, YEAH.

MAKE THEIR RECORDS MADE PUBLIC.

UM, SO ME NAME, I DON'T THINK, BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AGE AT THE HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY SEND NOTHING BY MAKING NAMES TO ME, THEY JUST PUT TOGETHER A REPORT TO SAYING, WE DON'T MENTION ANY NAMES.

RIGHT.

THERE'S NO NAMES.

IT'S JUST, I THINK WE SAW ON HER REPORT.

RIGHT.

THEY JUST MENTIONED, UH, THE INCIDENT.

RIGHT.

UH, AND OFFICER RIGHT ON NAMED OFFICERS.

SO IT DOESN'T GET INTO ANY SPECIFIC DETAILS WITH REGARDS TO A PARTICULAR OFFICER.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK IT MAY BE TOO.

THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M THINKING, RIGHT.

IF AN OFFICER ISN'T HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.

RIGHT.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DOES THE PUBLIC NEED TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF AN OFFICER IS LOOKING TO MOVE TO A, WELL, LET'S SAY HE'S BEEN DISMISSED FOR WHATEVER REASON OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

RIGHT.

I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOING TO, IF HE'S LOOKING TO BE PLACED AT A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THAT INFORMATION IS MADE AVAILABLE.

RIGHT.

BUT THEY CAN SEE THAT IN THAT HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT, THAT OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FACTORING THAT IN THEIR DECISION, AS IT RELATES TO BRINGING IN A NEW OFFICER, RIGHT.

ASSUME THEY HAVE SOME, SOME CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT THEY LOOK AT, UM, TO SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY IS WORTHY TO, TO JOIN OUR POLICE FORCE OR NOT.

BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT WERE YOU ASKED? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? AND IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THE NAACP IS LOOKING FOR VERSUS HOW, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS RESPONDED TO IT? I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY PIECE OF IT IS MORE OF, OKAY.

IS IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS FAR AS LIKE AN INVESTIGATION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT PROCESS OPEN FOR REVIEW FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN? SO IT, IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE, OH, OKAY, WELL, YOU HANDLED IT THIS WAY IN JANUARY, A SITUATION IDENTICAL TO IT HAPPENED IN MARCH, BUT YOU HANDLED IT THIS WAY.

OKAY.

THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENCY.

OKAY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE NAACP IS SAYING.

IS THAT OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A PROCESS, THEN THIS IS THE PROCESS.

IT WORKS IN JANUARY.

IT WORKS IN FEBRUARY.

IT WORKS IN MARCH, WHATEVER IT IS, THIS IS THE PROCESS, BUT THEN MAKE THAT PROCESS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND KNOW IT.

SO THEREFORE IT LOWERS YOUR ANXIETY.

LIKE IF YOU SAY, HEY, LISTEN,

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OUR PROCESS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SHOOTING HAPPENS AND WITHIN 48 HOURS, WE'RE GOING TO START TO RELEASE INFORMATION.

OKAY.

WELL, IN 48 HOURS START RELEASING INFORMATION.

NO GOOD POINT.

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO POINT NUMBER ONE, RIGHT.

WHERE YOU HAD THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, UM, IF YOU HAD THAT IN PLACE, THEN YOU'RE GETTING, AT LEAST FOR THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARDS, YOU'RE GETTING TRANSPARENCY INTO THE PROCESS.

RIGHT.

THIS IS A PROCESS THAT THEY'RE WALKING THROUGH WITH THE WHOLE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT MAY HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THAT, WHAT I'M THINKING, BUT, UM, AS TO FUN, UH, WELL, I THOUGHT, WELL, I THINK THAT THE GENERAL ORDER GOING THROUGH THE, THE, THE PARTS AND THE SECTIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL ORDER, I FELT THAT IT OUTLINED THAT PROCESS.

SO I THOUGHT THAT THE GENERAL ORDER IS THE OUTLINE FOR, FOR THE OFFICERS TO ADHERE TO.

RIGHT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPARENCY AND LIKE GETTING THAT, THAT TEMPLATE ON, ON HOW TO EXECUTE AND INVESTIGATIONS OR HOW THE OFFICER'S SUPPOSED TO, TO ACT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW, I THOUGHT THE LIMITS OF AUTHORITY, GENERAL ORDER KIND OF OUTLINE THAT.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPARENT, LIKE THAT'S ALWAYS LIKE A, WELL, IN MY, MY FRAME OF THOUGHT, THAT'S ALWAYS LIKE A, A, A TOUCHY SUBJECT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE STATE, THE GOVERNMENT, JUST BECAUSE OF, OF, OF, OF JUST THAT, THAT HIERARCHY, LIKE, UH, WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A FULL REQUEST ON, ON THE PUBLIC SIDE TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE MENTIONING INSIDE OF HERE.

SO, UH, TO ME, I FEEL LIKE THE TRANSPARENT PART AND THE, THE, THE, UH, THE POLICIES, UH, TO, TO OUTLINE THE PROCEDURES FOR THE OFFICERS IS WITHIN THE GENERAL ORDER.

SO THAT'S WHERE I, I GUESS I'M REAL CONFUSED WHEN, WHEN ERIC WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, UM, IF WHAT THEY DID IN MARCH FOR A, A STOCK IS THE SAME THING THEY'RE DOING IN MAY FOR A STOP WHEN THE POLICY ON, ON HOW THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTING THE ORDERS WITHIN THIS GENERAL ORDER.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT WAS THAT'S THE PROCESS.

AND THEN TRANSPARENCY IS UP TO A FULL REQUEST.

OKAY.

UM, TARA, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SO FOR ME, LOOKING AT THE GENERAL ORDER, THE SIX OH TWO, WHICH IS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS ONE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS IS OUTLINED, AND IT DOES SAY IT WILL BE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN A CONSISTENT BASIS.

UM, I THINK A BARRIER IN ITSELF FOR TRANSPARENCY, OR, OR EVEN FOR COMPLAINTS TO BEGIN WITH WOULD BE THE PROCESS THAT ALL ALLEGATIONS SHALL BE REPORTED ON THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION COMPLAINT FORM.

WELL, WHERE'S THAT FORM.

DO I HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE STATION TO FILL THAT OUT? CAUSE I'M GOING TO BE INTIMIDATED IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ON ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS.

SO I THINK THAT IN ITSELF PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE EXPOUNDED A LITTLE FOR ME IN WHERE IS THAT FORM? IS IT READILY AVAILABLE TO BE COMPLETED ONLINE ANONYMOUSLY OR, YOU KNOW, SO FOR ME, THE, THE, THE FACT THAT FOR THEM TO PROCESS AN ALLEGATION, IT HAS TO BE ON THIS FORM.

I THINK THAT LIMITS WHO IS GOING TO BE MAKING ALLEGATIONS OR COMPLAINTS, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THAT'S A POINT, RIGHT.

IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT WHAT DO THEY CALL IT RETRIBUTION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE RIDING BACK.

RIGHT.

SO, NO, I GOT YOU.

SO IT MAY MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, RIGHT.

BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT LET'S, YOU KNOW, NEED TO MAKE SURE LOOK A PAL AND SOME THINGS THAT COMPILING A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GO BACK AND ASK ROB ABOUT AGAIN.

YEAH.

I'M GOOD WITH MAYBE THAT THE PROCESS, THEY HAVE THE PROCESS OUTLINED.

RIGHT.

BUT, BUT I'M SPEAKING MAYBE TO THAT SECOND POINT WHERE IT SAYS PROCEDURES BY MAKING THEIR NAMES AND DISCIPLINARY RECORDS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

RIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THEY DON'T SPEAK TO THAT.

AND THEY'RE, UH, YOU

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KNOW, AS YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS, RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO? RIGHT.

UM, IS, IS THE QUESTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, WHAT'S BEING ASKED, RIGHT.

IS THAT THEY'RE THERE MORE, YOU CAN HAVE A PROCESS, RIGHT.

BUT THERE'S A PROCESS TO ADDRESS THIS IN PARTICULAR.

RIGHT.

AND THEN, THEN, UM, THAT MAY, ARE YOU WILLING, ARE YOU WILLING TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND THEN HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THESE RECORDS? HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THEM AVAILABLE? WHY, WHAT WOULD BE THAT THE METHOD OR THE, UM, THE MEDIA, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT? SO, UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, THING I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD ASK ABOUT, UM, I ALSO, I GUESS, STRUGGLE WITH THE, THE CITING OF THESE GENERAL ORDERS THAT IN ITSELF, FOR ME, DOESN'T SCREAM TRANSPARENCY WHEN I HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DO IT IN MY JOB.

I CITE STUFF ALL THE TIME AND JUST SEND YOU THE LINK TO THE RULE AND TELL YOU TO GOOD LUCK.

BUT, UM, THAT ITSELF, FOR ME, DOES NOT SCREAM TRANSPARENCY THAT WE HAVE TO GO REFERENCE THIS GENERAL ORDER AND THEN GO FIND THIS GENERAL ORDER AND THEN LOOK FOR THE VERBIAGE THAT WE'RE WE'RE SEEKING.

SO THAT FOR ME IS ALSO JUST A LITTLE STRUGGLE ON THE TRANSPARENCY.

YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE I'M SURE IT PROBABLY IS IN THIS GENERAL ORDER ONE OH TWO, HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING THE OFFICER'S RECORDS THAT COMPLAINTS ARE MADE, BUT THAT IN ITSELF IS STRUGGLE MORE WORK.

THAT'S A GOOD, OH, GO AHEAD.

ASK FUN.

YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A POINT.

OH NO, I WAS JUST, SO THIS IS, THIS IS TOWARD THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY.

NOT, NOT US.

IT'S IT'S IT'S I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS POLICY THAT HAVE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT WITH THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT WHEN I'M, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HOW, HOW THEY, HOW THEY, YOU KNOW, EXECUTE SEARCHES AND WHAT THEY SHOULD DO, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT DOCUMENTED THAT WAY THEY CAN REFER TO SOMETHING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH POLICY.

BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, I THINK THE MORE IN, IN THESE SITUATIONS FOR, FOR ACCOUNTABILITY ON BEHALF OF THE POLICE OFFICER, THE MORE, THE BETTER REGARDING, YOU KNOW, SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DOING? HOW SHOULD THEY REACT? WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? THEY SHOULD BE GOING BY THIS, THE GENERAL ORDERS FOR EXECUTED BY CHIEF LEITNER TO, TO, TO THE POLICE OFFICERS, JUST BASICALLY.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

BUT NO, I, I AGREE WITH THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCESS.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN, THAT CAN BE HAD ON, ON THAT.

BUT, UH, YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

YEAH, NO GOOD STUFF.

GOOD STUFF.

UM, DID WE LOSE TARA? OKAY.

JUST COMING BACK.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

I KNOW MY CAT WAS NAPPING IN THE CLOSET AND SHE WAS HAVING A MOMENT CAUSE I CLOSED THE DOOR ON HER.

OKAY.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD DROPPED OFF, SO YOU'RE FINE.

YOU'RE FINE.

OKAY.

SO LET'S UH, ANY, UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON ITEM ITEM TWO? OKAY.

UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE.

NOT SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO TAKE THE LEAD ON ITEM THREE AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS.

THEY CAN DO THAT.

I DON'T HAVE TO TICK OFF EVERY POINT.

SO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU COULD, YOU CAN TAKE THE LEADER.

I CAN TELL YOU, GO AHEAD AND ROLL WITH IT.

YOU GOT IT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO ITEM THREE, IT, IT, IT TALKS ABOUT CREATE A POLICY WHEREBY POLICE OFFICERS WHO DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND, OR USE EXCESSIVE FORCE ON AND ON, OFF ON, ON PERSON, UH, BE SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY PENDING FURTHER INVESTIGATION.

AND THEN IT'S ALSO SAYING, HEY, MAKE THEIR INFORMATION, UM, THEIR NAMES AND HISTORY, UH, AND WHAT THEY WANT THAT TO BE MADE AVAILABLE, IF YOU WILL WRITE TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT THEIR ASK IS.

AND SO, UM, SO HE WRITES, RESPONDS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A POLICY AND PROCEDURE IN PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FOR A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS,

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UH, WHERE SOMEONE DIES OR SERIOUSLY INJURED.

RIGHT.

AND THEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THIS, THIS ALL FALLS UNDER THEIR GENERAL, UH, ORDER ONE OH THREE USE OF FORCE.

UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL ORDER, UH, ONE OF FOUR WEAPONS.

AND I COULDN'T FIND THAT WELL, THAT WASN'T A DOCUMENT, I GUESS I ASKED FOR, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT EXISTED.

SO X I SENT AN EMAIL TO ROB A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO BECAUSE WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAD, I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE GENERAL ORDER ONE OH FOUR WEAPONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS, I GUESS, UNDER THE CLIA STANDARD.

SO I ASKED HIM TO SEND, SEND ME A COPY OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

IT'S IT'S IN THE PACKAGE ONE OH FOUR, ONE OH FOUR WEAPONS.

OKAY.

MAYBE I MISSED THAT.

THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ITSELF.

YOU SAW THAT.

YEAH, IT'S JUST IT'S RIGHT WITHIN STRATEGY THREE.

UH, DO YOU HAVE GENERAL ONE OH THREE USE OF FORCE AND THEN ONE RIGHT AFTER THAT'S GENERAL ONE OH FOUR WEAPONS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL I'LL, UH, GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

CAUSE I, YEAH, MAYBE I JUST DROVE AND LOOKED AT, SO IT WAS IN THAT PACKAGE THAT HE SENT US.

OH THREE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE IT INSIDE OF THERE OR IS IT YEAH, IT'S THERE IT'S IT'S PAGE 82.

YEAH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL THAT WAS JUST MY MISTAKE THEN I'LL, I'LL GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

UM, NOW I GUESS THE ONLY THING HERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE NAACP IS ASKING FOR, UM, THEY'RE ASKING THAT, HEY, WHEN AN OFFICER'S INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED PERSON, THEY'RE ASKING THAT THAT PERSON BE SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY AND THAT THEIR NAMES BE MADE A PUBLIC NOW, UM, THAT THEY DON'T SPEAK HUBRIS.

DOESN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

RIGHT.

I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DO AN INVESTIGATION.

I THINK THEY, AND I THINK THOSE FOLKS, AT LEAST THEY GO ON SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.

I PICK US OFF THEY'RE RELIEVED OF DUTY, RIGHT.

DURING THE INVESTIGATION.

NOW KNOW IF THAT MEANS IT'S WITHOUT PAY.

I, UH, MAYBE THEY'RE STILL GETTING PAID.

I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON, ON, UM, WHEN A PERSON IS SUSPENDED, DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH, OR WITHOUT PAY? JUST AS A QUESTION, I GUESS, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S INSIDE OF, INSIDE OF THERE IT'S, UH, IT'S UPON, UH, UH, DISCRETION TO BELIEVE THAT THE CHIEF OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, YOU SAW THAT WORD.

I, YEAH, I HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO IT, BUT I I'M, I THINK I'LL FOLLOW UP.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

GOT IT.

YEAH.

I REVIEWED, I LOOKED AT THE, AT LEAST I LOOKED AT THE ONE, OH, UM, THE USE OF FORCE.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT THAT'S FOLK TO SPOKE TO THAT IF YOU WILL.

UM, BUT I COULD HAVE MISSED IT.

I SAID I SKIMMED THROUGH IT AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S JUST, I GUESS IT'S JUST MORE OF A QUESTION, UM, THAN ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT ON THIS.

SO THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.

I MEAN, NOW AGAIN, WELL, THE OTHER PART IS MAKING THE NAMES THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE PUBLIC.

RIGHT.

I DON'T, AGAIN, THEY DON'T SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL.

AND I THINK IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BOB ROCK, YOU KNOW, MAKING NAMES AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING NAMES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, PROVIDING INSIGHT TRANSPARENCY AS IT RELATES TO THE OFFICER THAT'S ON THE INVESTIGATION, I GUESS.

BUT, UM, DID YOU GUYS SAW, I WAS LOOKING AT, SO I WAS REVIEWING THAT USE OF FORCE POLICY, UM, TALK ABOUT INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DEFINE THAT OR NOT.

THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT AN INTERMEDIATE WEAPON IS.

MAYBE THAT'S LIKE RUBBER, RUBBER BULLETS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, WEAPONS AND THEY, THEY MENTIONED INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DEFINE WHAT INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, WHAT THAT IS.

BUT IF YOU GUYS SAW THAT OR CAUGHT THAT, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT, OR JUST MORE OF A QUESTION I HAD, UM, AND THEN I NOTICED THEY HAD, I WAS READING THROUGH THE USE OF FORCE AND THEY TALKED ABOUT LEAVE.

THE FORCE CAN BE USED ON A FLEEING FELON.

UM, SAUNDERS WONDERING, DOES THAT MEAN THEY, THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT THE IS A FELON OR LET'S SAY THE PERSON ISN'T A FELON, RIGHT.

BUT LET'S SAY HE'S COMMITTED A CRIME AND HE'S RUNNING AWAY THAT MAYBE YOU CAN'T SHOOT THAT PERSON.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S MORE

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OF A QUESTION.

IT JUST, WHEN I READ IT JUST SAYS, CAUSE THEY USE A FENDER.

THEN THEY USE THIS.

THE ONLY, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT, IT'S THE ONLY SENTENCE WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT A FELON.

BUT IN OTHER, WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, HE'S TALK ABOUT A FENDER.

SOMEONE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S MAYBE COMMITTING A CRIME, THEY DON'T USE THE TERM FELON, BUT THEY, THEY JUST SAY IT IN THIS CASE, THEY CAN USUALLY THE FORCE, IF SOMEONE'S FLEEING.

DOES THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY THAT CAN THEY SHOOT THEM IN THE BACK? I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST, I'M JUST, IT'S JUST A QUESTION I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW THAT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.

YOU NEVER GET A REFERENCE FOR THAT.

YEAH.

UH, LET'S SEE.

IT WAS SORRY.

I DON'T HAVE, IF YOU SAY INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, SO IT'S OF THE USE OF FORCE POLICY.

IT'S ON, IT'S ON THAT, THE USE OF FORCE POLICY DOCUMENT.

I DON'T RECALL WHAT PAGE IT'S ON EIGHT.

I THINK IT'S PAGE 78.

YEAH.

BUT YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

I DON'T HAVE IT OPEN, BUT, UM, AND IT JUST KIND OF WALKS YOU THROUGH THE TYPES OF, UM, THE TYPES OF FORCE THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, I GUESS, APPLY WHEN THEY'RE FACED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH AN OFFENDER.

UM, YOU GUYS A VIDEO, ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS ONE, I HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT OR, OR I, IN TERMS OF HOW, UM, HOW THEY'RE RESPONDING, HOW THEIR HAND ON THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

I DON'T, I DON'T HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK SO.

I WAS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY, UH, PRETTY LENGTHY ONE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY NOISY, BUT IT'S ALSO A PRETTY SENSITIVE TOPIC AS WELL.

UH, BUT IF, IF I WAS JUST GOOGLING AND READING SOME OF THE ARTICLES, JUST FROM SOME OF, UH, SOME OF THE, THE POLICE ASSOCIATIONS AND THEN ON, SO ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM, THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSING SOME OF, UH, SOME OF THE TACTICS AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE, UH, THE SECTIONS AND THE POLICIES AND THE LEVELS THAT HAVE INSIDE OF HERE ARE SUPPOSEDLY LIKE ALIGNED WITH SOME OF THE BETTER, UM, SOME OF THE BETTER POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

UH, SO FOR ME THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD.

AND YOU NEED TO SEE WAS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SECTIONS THAT HAVE IN HERE ARE, ARE LAUDED WITHIN SOME OF, SOME OF THE HIGHER, YOU KNOW, POLICE COMMUNITIES FOR, FOR, FOR OUTLINING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS, USE OF FORCE.

BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THE, UH, CHOKEHOLD SECTION STRATEGIES PROBABLY TO BE MORE OF A, A, UH, A DISCUSSION TOPIC, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD FROM YOUR SIDE, YOUR TYPICAL CIVILIAN, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVE.

AGAIN, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.

SO, UM, OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE, ERIC, TARA, I THINK I'M GOOD THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO THAT DEADLY FORCE WAS PAGE 78, SIX B.

UH, AN OFFICER IS AUTHORIZED TO USE DEADLY FORCE TO PREVENT THE ESCAPE OF A VIOLENT FLEEING FELON.

ONLY WHEN THE SUSPECT POSES A CLEAR AND IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEATH OR SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY TO ANY PERSON, IF NOT APPREHENDED, WITHOUT DELAY.

AND IF SOME WARNINGS HAVEN'T GIVEN.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE THAT ONE, RIGHT? WHAT WAS THE, I KIND OF PAIR, I JUST WROTE SOME NOTES DOWN, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REPEATING THE LANGUAGE VERBATIM.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

JUST TO GIVE YOU THE, WHERE IT WAS AND THEN, UM, INTERMEDIATE WEAPONS, IMPACT WEAPONS AND LESS LETHAL MUNITIONS.

I'M GUESSING LIKE THE, UM, SAND BAGS OR THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY SHOOT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO CONTROL THE RIOTS OR WHATEVER THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS BAD, UM, AND CAUSE A LOT OF INJURY.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE FOR THOSE, THOSE, THOSE, UH, WEAPONS ARE OUTLINED IN A GENERAL OR ONE OH FOUR SECTION THREE LESS LETHAL AND TO HAVE IMPACT.

AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THE, I GUESS, WEAPONS THAT ARE CATEGORIZED UNDER THERE.

SO IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL IN GENERAL ORDER ONE OR FOUR SECOND, THREE.

GOT IT, GOT IT.

OKAY.

GOOD STUFF.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, NO MORE COMMENTS ON, ON ITEM THREE.

OKAY, COOL.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S SEE.

SO LET'S MOVE INTO, UH, 0.4.

SO IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, SAYING, ENSURE TRANSPARENCY,

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ACCOUNTABILITY, AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITIES BY REQUIRING FRONT FACING CAMERAS TO BE ACTIVELY ACTIVELY RECORDING FOR ALL ON DUTY OFFICERS AND ENSURE AT LEAST TWO CREWS WITH CAMERAS ARE UTILIZED IN EACH AND EVERY BEING IN EVERY POLICE, ALL POLICE CAR, ONE FACING TOWARDS THE STREET AND THE OTHER FACING TOWARD THE PERSON TO CUSTODY.

SO, UM, SO I KNOW WHAT WAS THE NAVY USED TO TRUCK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO,