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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call:]
SIX O'CLOCK.SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
THIS IS A SAFE HARBOR HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED WITH OUR REMOTE MEETING.
SO AT THIS POINT, THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
AND MR. ROGERS, IF HE WOULD CALL HER UP, PLEASE, MR. SHAW BEAR, MS. BAKER BAKER.
SHE JUST CALLED ME AND SO GOOD AND FINISH THE ROLL, TONY.
WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE, MR. CAMPBELL HERE.
MR. OTTO HERE, MR. LYONS HERE, MR. HILL HERE, MR. WEB STIR WEB.
YOUR WEB DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ON AMERICORPS.
SO, UH, CAN YOU JUST MESSAGE AND SAID THAT SHE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING LOGGED ON? OKAY.
SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT KATE HAS THE CORRECT LINK.
JUST GIVE HER ANOTHER SECOND HERE FOR, CAN WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE'LL WE'LL GET MOVING.
I CAN RE SEND HER THE LINK IF YOU'D LIKE SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOMEONE THAT MAY BE ME, TONY.
SO WE'LL JUST, UH, SO TONY IS GOING TO RESEND THE LINK TO SIGN UP.
SO WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, UM, NOT HOLD UP ANY FURTHER AND WE'LL SEE IF SHE'S ABLE TO.
[2. Approval of Minutes:]
OKAY.SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR, UH, AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2020 MEETING.
UH, THOSE EVENTS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS NOT MENTAL, SAME AS APPROVED.
WE, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK, UH, WORK SESSION TOPICS DISCUSSION FOR THIS EVENING.SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH ITEM THREE EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.
ROB, IF YOU WOULD JUST THANK YOU.
UM, THE, UH, CURB PROGRAM THAT'S, UH, UNDERWAY IS A NEAR COMPLETION AND GOING AS SCHEDULED OUR MASS ARM PRO UH, PROJECT AT CHAMBERSBURG IN BRANDT IS GOING TO BE DELAYED ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH.
WE'RE BEING TOLD, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS THE COVERT DELAY, UH, TO AUGUST.
UH, NOW IT'S A COVERT DELAY TILL SEPTEMBER.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE SUPPLIER IS ABLE TO GET THOSE, UM, PRODUCED AND SHIPPED OUT AND WE CAN, UM, GET THAT PROJECT WRAPPED UP, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, IT'S LITERALLY READY FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THAT.
SO ONCE THEY ARE IN, UH, THEN THE COMPLETION OF IT SHOULD, UH, SHOULD GO ON.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET A LOT DONE BEFORE THE ASPHALT PLANTS CLOSE THAT'S FOR SURE.
UH, THE NEXT THING THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT WAS A LAMENDOLA AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THERE WITH, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, ALSO WITH PEOPLE
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BREAKING INTO THE BUILDING, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FIRES THERE.WE'VE HAD, UM, PEOPLE SQUATTING, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S POSED AS SECURITY RISK.
WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO GET THE BUILDING OWNER TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION AND HAS NOT.
THE BUILDING HAS REMAINED UNDER VIOLATION FOR SOME TIME FOR THOSE THINGS.
UH, IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT WAS, UM, UH, VOTED ON TO BE ABATED.
WE HAVE DONE THAT ABATEMENT THAT A BATEMAN HAS INCLUDED, UH, UH, PERMANENTLY SEALING OFF THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH CAGES AND WIRING, THE PLI, THE PLYWOOD THAT WAS USED IS JUST FEELING, BEING PEELED BACK OR BROKEN THROUGH.
UM, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS, IS THE COST.
THE COST WAS NEARLY $12,000 FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE ASSESSED OF COURSE, UH, AND WILL ALSO BE ACTUALLY ADMINISTRATIVELY BUILT.
AND IF NOT PAID, THEN WE'LL BE ASSESSED.
BUT WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS THAT HAS DEPLETED THE MAJORITY OF OUR ABATEMENT FOR THE YEAR.
SO AS, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL, WE WERE JUST GETTING THE FIGURES TODAY CAUSE THEY JUST COMPLETED THE WORK YESTERDAY.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK IS, UH, DURING THE SUPPLEMENTAL DISCUSSION TO INCLUDE FOR MONDAY'S MEETING IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT LINE ITEM, AS IT STANDS NOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UM, UM, OUT OF THE $15,000 OR $16,000 THAT WAS BUDGETED TO THE CONTRACTOR FOR ABATEMENTS.
SO IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL TRASH ABATEMENTS OR CLEAN UP A BATEMAN'S THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR, UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO INCREASE THAT, UH, EXPENDITURE, UH, NOT ONLY TO THAT CONTRACTOR, BUT ALSO NOT LINE ITEMS. SO, UH, WE WILL BE, UH, WE WILL BE ASKING TO DO THAT.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, AND I'M SURE WE'LL RECOUP THOSE COSTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT FOR NOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES AT LEAST TO THE VENDOR.
UH, BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO SECURE THAT, UM, UH, REDUCE THE RISK OF SAFETY GOING INTO THE BUILDING SINCE, AS WE INDICATED, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FIRES THERE AND SEVERAL BREAK-INS AND TRESPASSERS, AND THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP THEM OUT IS TO FORTIFY THE BUILDING.
SO THAT HAS DONE, OR THE NEXT THING WE HAVE, UM, A GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS.
I KNOW HAVE INFORMED YOU ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME STAFF GO AND, UM, AND ATTEND A WORKSHOP CRPC AND AN APPLICATION FOR THE REGION.
HOWEVER, UH, ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, UM, CHASE IT INDEPENDENTLY, UM, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A ADDITIONAL CHANCES AND CHOICES.
SO THE REQUEST FOR A IS FOR PUBLIC PROPERTIES ONLY AT THIS TIME FOR THIS FIRST ROUND REGARDING THE LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS, UH, THE FUNDING IS $7,500 FOR A SINGLE PORT AND 15,000 FOR A DUAL PORT.
UH, AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 115,000 PER COUNTY.
SOON AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOBBLED UP RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
SO WE WANT TO REMAIN AS COMPETITIVE AS WE CAN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO SEEK, UM, A SEPARATE AS WELL DEADLINE TO SUBMIT SITES IS AUGUST 20TH, WHICH IS THIS THURSDAY AND THE SITES THAT WE'VE CHOSEN, UH, ARE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, THOMAS CLAUDE PARK, AND, UH, UH, KIND OF ALTERNATIVELY THE WHITE, THE HEIGHTS, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AREAS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY OFF OF INTERSTATES, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE MAJOR CHARGING GROUPS HAVE PLACED THOSE, BUT THIS IS MORE, UH, WITHIN, UH, TRAVEL AREAS.
AND WE FIGURED A PARK SETTING IS CERTAINLY GOOD.
AND AGAIN, THE CAVEAT IS ONLY PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY, UH, AT THIS TIME FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO WITH US HAVING CONTROL OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UNLESS ANYBODY HAD ANY DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS, WE FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A, THE MOST AMOUNT OF CARS AND, AND USE THERE.
AND B GIVES BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH LOCATION, UH, FOR RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF WE ARE AWARDED THAT PARTICULAR GRANT.
UH, SO, AND, AND WE CAN ALSO ADDITIONALLY CHOOSE WHETHER WE CHARGE A FEE OR NOT FOR IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ELECTRICITY BILL IS GOING TO BE PAID BY SOMEBODY.
SO, UM, UH, IF THERE WAS ANY DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS, IF ANYBODY HAD IN MIND, WE'VE GOT TILL THURSDAY, UH, SO, UH, IF YOU WANNA SHOOT ME AN EMAIL OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT NOW THAT'S FINE.
BUT, UH, I'M, I CAN'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE TOO MANY OTHER SPOTS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT'S PUBLICLY OWNED AND THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY THE POTENTIAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE TRAVEL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND WE HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, TO SEIZE IT.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE FOR THE SAME BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS, UH, THE ISSUE HERE ON THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE'VE ROBBED TALKED? UH, NANCY.
UM, ACTUALLY THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE LAMENDOLA SITE.
UM, ROB, IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH SINCE WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO
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IT TO TRY TO GET, UH, KEEP IT SAFE? IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH WE CAN, UH, DECLARE THAT PROPERTY AND NUISANCE? I IMAGINE THAT THERE IS, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A FACTOR TO MAKE THAT DECLARATION, UH, BUT SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RELATIVE ACTIVE INQUIRIES AND POTENTIAL PURCHASES OF THE CONTRACT OR OF THE PROPERTY OF RECENT, UM, WE'RE REALLY NOT TO THAT POINT TO THAT POINT YET.UH, WE WERE ABLE TO ABATE THROUGH A NUISANCE ABATEMENT, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UH, SO TO, UH, UH, TO TAKE THE ENTIRE BUILDING OR PROPERTY, UH, THIS WOULD BE A STEP.
AND IF THERE'S NOTHING DONE WITH THE PROPERTY, I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO BE AGGRESSIVE IN THAT APPROACH TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF THAT IS AN ULTIMATE, UM, I, I GUESS, UH, THINGS WE DO YEAH.
SOLUTION THAT WE DO, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, BUT, OKAY, THANK YOU.
WELL, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A HARD ENOUGH TIME JUST DEALING WITH A BURN DOWN HALF VACANT BUILDING ON A RIP RAP.
UH, THAT'S NEEDED TO BE TORN DOWN NOW FOR, WELL OVER A YEAR, THAT'S STUCK IN THE BUREAUCRACY OF, UH, UM, CIVIL DOCKETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EASY OR A QUICK PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
SO THIS WAS THE MORE IMMEDIATE THING THAT WE CAN AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE, THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, YES.
UM, ROBERT, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHERE WE'VE STARTED OUR ABATEMENT FUND OUT IN 2020, 16,000 AND WITH THE, UM, THE EBY CHARGING STATION GRANT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THIS IS A STEP ONE, UM, OF THAT, UH, CHARGING PROCESS.
I KNOW ME AND YOU HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION OVER THE PAST YEAR, UH, WITH DRIVE ELECTRIC DAYTON, AND SEVERAL OTHER ENTITIES ON THE INCREASE OF, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
UM, I KNOW TRIMBLE IS A, IS A HUGE PROPONENT OF THIS AS THEY, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF CHARGING STATIONS AT THEIR FACILITY, UM, WITH THIS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER GRANT APPLICATION PRECEDENT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE FAST CHARGERS.
UM, AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, UH, TESLA IS LOOKING AT A COMMUNITY RELATIONS OPPORTUNITY STARTING NEXT YEAR TO KIND OF COINCIDE WITH THAT.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THIS IS KIND OF STEP ONE TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE A LARGER, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IN OUR REGION.
UM, WHAT WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES, I BELIEVE THE NEXT ROUND AND, AND SCOTT COULD CLARIFY, BUT AGAIN, FROM, FROM ATTENDING THE WORKSHOP, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S PUBLIC SPACES, UH, THE, UH, THE LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATIONS AND THEN THE QUICK CHARGERS AND THEN POSSIBLY OPENING UP TO OTHER THAN PUBLIC SPACES FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES IN FUTURE, UH, AND FUTURE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
WHAT WAS THERE? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
UM, AND, UM, ONE LAST QUESTION.
I KNOW THIS WASN'T ADDRESSED DURING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CITY MANAGER UPDATE, BUT PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH SUEZ ON, UH, UM, REVIEWING OUR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME OF OUR RECENT WATER MAIN BREAKS? YEAH, WE'RE STILL, UH, WE'RE STILL UNDERGOING THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE MORE, UH, WE'VE GOT A CONSULTANT THAT'S WRITTEN A LETTER AND, UH, WE TALK ABOUT AND MET ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING.
SO WE STILL GOT A FEW MORE ITEMS TO CHECK OFF BEFORE WE'RE READY TO COME BACK WITH ANY IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL, UM, UH, CAUSES.
AND, UH, AS SOON AS WE, AS SOON AS WE HAVE SOMETHING, UM, EITHER CONCLUSIVE OR NOT, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK.
SO WE'RE STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE HERE TODAY, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN ON MY MIND WITH THE CITY OF DAYTON, HAVING A LOT OF THEIR MAJOR WATER MAIN BREAKS AND HAS CAUSED A LOT OF SERVICE DISRUPTIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.
I BELIEVE I I'M UP TO MAYBE THREE OR FOUR MAJOR ONES.
UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO CONNECT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY USE PIPE TO THE CITY OF DAYTON AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REVIEW FROM THE CONSULTANT ON HOW THAT ISSUE COULD AFFECT HUBER HEIGHTS IF WE EVER HAD TO.
UM, I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THE, WHAT IF ISSUES, AND IT SEEMS LIKE OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF CITY OF DAYTON HAS ALMOST CHECKED EVERY ONE OF THOSE, WHAT BOXES.
UM, SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO REVISIT AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE MR. MAYOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ROB IN THIS
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HEARING? WE[ 2021 Energy Aggregation Agreement]
WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR 20, 21 ENERGY AGGREGATION AGREEMENT.UH, THIS, THIS IS RESOLUTION WE HAVE HERE IS FOR AS CONCERNING OUR ENERGY AGGREGATION PROGRAM.
UH, WE ARE IN THE FINAL MONTHS OF OUR THREE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH A P ENERGY, WHICH WAS FOR A 5.02 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR FOR ELECTRIC SUPPLY TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
UM, I HAVE RICH SERVICE FROM ENERGY ALLIANCE HERE WITH US, UH, TONIGHT, SO HE CAN GO OVER THE NEW AGREEMENT FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR HAVING ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE BEEN WITH THE CURRENT AGGREGATION AND THEN KIND OF WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COUNCIL WAS NOT THERE WHEN WE DID THE FIRST TIME AROUND, SO PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED ANY KIND OF, UH, EXPLANATIONS ABOUT THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM.
SO, UH, AS RUSS SAID, UH, WE ARE COMING TO THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OF, OF THE PROGRAM AT 5.02 CENTS.
UH, THROUGH MAY, WE WERE ABLE TO RUN SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE FIGURES, UM, AND I HAVE SHARED THOSE WITH BRAS, UH, OVER THE QUARTERS.
UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS AND SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE SAVED ABOUT $271,000 SINCE DECEMBER OF 2017.
UM, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PERFORMED VERY WELL.
IT'S ABOUT A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT SAVINGS COMPARED TO DEEP PNLS RATES.
UM, AND WE, WE AVERAGED ABOUT 50, SORRY, 1770 500 CUSTOMERS A MONTH, UH, ON AVERAGE SHOULD BE IN THAT PROGRAM.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CHURN.
YOU KNOW, WE DO REESE WEEPS UP, PICKS PEOPLE UP, AND THEN AS PEOPLE MOVE OUT, WE SEE ABOUT A ONE OR 2% CHURN PER MONTH, UH, WITH PEOPLE LEAVING THE PROGRAM.
UM, BUT WHAT I HAVE GOING FORWARD AND WENT OUT TO BID, UH, TO MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS AND WE GOT, I GOT ACTUALLY THREE BIDS BACK AND IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT, UH, ADP DID COME BACK, UH, WITH, WITH THE BEST BID.
SO THEY ARE THE, UH, THE INCUMBENT SUPPLIER.
AND, UH, IN MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE STAY WITH THEM BASED ON THE PRICING THAT THEY HAD TO OFFER, AS WELL AS I FEEL THE, THE SERVICES THAT THEY OFFERED AND JUST OVERALL HOW THEY'VE HELPED US RUN THIS PROGRAM.
I THINK IT'S, UH, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
UM, I'LL ADMIT THAT OUR HUBRIS WAS THE FIRST PROGRAM WE EVER DID WITH, UM, AP ENERGY.
UM, AND WE'VE ADDED A FEW CENTS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES THAT THEY'VE HAD THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT IN.
SO, UH, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY, UM, IS TO ALLOW, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW THE RESOLUTION HAS WRITTEN UP TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN A DEAL REALLY AT ANY TIME BEFORE THE END OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM, UM, TO, FOR A, FOR A, YOU KNOW, NOT TO EXCEED 4.697 FROM AT LEAST DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2021.
SO WE DID THREE YEARS BEFORE, AND I'M SUGGESTING WE DO 12 MONTHS NOW.
SO YOU KNOW, WHY THE TASK WELL, THE MARKET HAS BEEN OKAY, EXTREMELY VOLATILE LATELY.
YOU KNOW, THIS HOT SUMMER HAS, HAS MOVED PRICES A LOT.
UM, WE SENT OUT FORBIDS, UH, SOMETIME IN, I THINK IT WAS MID-JULY EARLY TO MID JULY AND OUR PRICES ARE UP AROUND 4% SINCE THEN.
UM, AND WE, THE MARKET SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT INFLATED RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK WE COULD SEE THINGS COME OFF.
UM, I THINK THOSE THAT ARE ON COUNCIL OR, YOU KNOW, A PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAD TO COME BACK A FEW DIFFERENT WEEKS TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS AND LOCK IT IN.
AND WHEN WE CAME BACK THE FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PRICE THAT WAS SUB 5 CENTS.
AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE HAD TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS SLATER AND WENT ABOVE 5 CENTS.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TIME THE MARKET, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND WE DO THIS WITH A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES IS, IS SORT OF SET THE CEILING SO THAT THE COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THERE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AS FAR AS PRICE, BUT THEN THAT IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO WATCH THE MARKETS WORK WITH THE SUPPLIER.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU TRANSACT WITH IN THIS CASE, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, WHEN WE FEEL THAT THE TIME IS RIGHT.
SO IF WE HAPPEN TO GET LUCKY THAT THE MARKET COMES OFF PRETTY SHARPLY IN THE NEXT WEEK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN I LIKELY TALK TO RUSS AND THE TEAM AND SAY, HEY, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL IT'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT.
AND WE LOCK IN A PRICE WITH THE HOPES THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE KNOW IT'D BE LOW ENOUGH, IT'S 600, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OUR HOPE IS TO BRING YOU GUYS SOMETHING LOWER THAN THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE USE IT, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THIS SO THAT YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT US ON TO HELP YOU WATCH THE MARKETS AND DENVER THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND NOT HAVE TO TIME IT AROUND A COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH, WHICH CAN OBVIOUSLY LEAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHY 12 MONTHS COMPARED TO 36 MONTHS, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH YOU'VE
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SEEN, UM, IN THE NEWS ABOUT, UH, THINGS WITH ENERGY POLICY IN THIS STATE, THINGS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, LARRY HOUSEHOLDER WITH, WITH THE FORMER SPEAKER LARRY HOUSE, HER, UM, SO, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY IN THE STATE OF OHIO WITH WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY POLICY, UH, EVEN THINGS THAT WHEN WE CAME TO YOU GUYS THREE YEARS AGO, THERE WERE SOME KNOWNS IN THE MARKET THREE YEARS OUT.AND, AND, AND SOME OF THAT STUFF HAS BEEN DELAYED.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OR THE RESIDENTS OR ANYBODY ELSE TAKE ON RISKS FOR TOO MUCH UNKNOWN.
I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE OUR BEST GUESTS ON SOME AND THEN FEEL COMFORTABLE WHERE WE DO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT THAT 12 MONTHS.
BUT I'D LIKE FOR THE MARKET TO KIND OF SORT SOME THINGS OUT, I LIKE FOR SOME POLICY THINGS AND SOME REGULATORY THINGS TO SHAPE UP A LITTLE BIT BEFORE EXTENDING THAT ON.
SO IT'S WHY I'M SAYING 12 MONTHS, BECAUSE I THINK AS FAR AS A PRICE, THAT WAS KIND OF A NICE SWEET SPOT AND THEN LET, LET'S NOT TAKE ON TOO MUCH UNKNOWN RISK, UM, WHETHER IT BE PRICE OR POLICY, UM, FOR THE CITY AND FOR ITS RESIDENTS.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT AS FAR AS AT A, AT A HIGH LEVEL.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEP.
SO NUMBER ONE, I THINK THANKS FOR, FOR COMING IN AND BRINGING THIS TO US.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT, TIME, MONEY, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT TO ANYTHING ELSE? SO EASY THINGS ARE GOING TO SEE YOUR HAND.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO A 12 MONTH CONTRACT.
UM, AND, AND KNOWING THAT, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT, I WATCHED THE RATES VERY CLOSELY AND, UH, IF I WERE TO GO ON TO P UCO TODAY AND LOOK AT THE RATES FOR EVEN AEC P THEY'RE LOWER THAN, THAN WHAT YOU HAVE QUOTED US.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GET THAT RATE FOR 12 MONTHS, UH, WITH NO CANCELLATION, NO FEES, ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M KINDA CURIOUS, UM, PROBABLY FOR THE LAST 10 MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN LOWER THE RATE OUT THERE, THE CHEAPEST RATE HAS BEEN LOWER THAN WHAT YOU'RE QUOTING US.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M KIND OF INTERESTED, UM, NUMBER ONE ON THE 4.69, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PROBABLY AN AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE.
UM, BUT SINCE, SINCE THE RATES ARE GOING DOWN AND ACTUALLY MY RATE RIGHT NOW IS POINT ARE 3.99.
UM, I GUESS I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT'S 4.69.
IT'S A, THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION.
UM, SO AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE PRICING IS THE AGGREGATE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE THE LOAD SHAPE OF EVERY ACCOUNT IN THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COME UP WITH A FORECAST, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WHY IS THAT RIGHT THERE? AND THEN WHAT'S OUT THERE ON THE PUCO APPLES TO APPLES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE LOWER RATES.
I MEAN, IN THOSE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCES, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE RATES WOULD START TODAY.
AND I GUESS I'LL EVEN TAKE ONE FURTHER STEP BACK, UH, JUST LIKE THE CURRENT PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO TERMINATION FEES, RIGHT? THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN COME AND GO AS THEY WANT.
SO IF THEY WANT TO SHOP ON THE WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD DO THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHETHER THEY TAKE THE AGGREGATION OFFER OR A SHOP ON THEIR OWN, EVERYBODY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTING.
SO THE LOWER PRICE IS THERE, SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE START NOW.
SO THERE ARE SOME, AGAIN, KIND OF THE SHAPE, LIKE I'VE SAID THERE, WE DO SEE PRICE IS SORT OF INCREASING.
SO IF YOU'RE ON THAT WEBSITE AND YOU LOOK AT THINGS SAY, WELL, UNDER THE NEGATIVE FIRST 12 MONTHS, SAY ZERO TO 12 MONTHS, AND THEN YOU LOOK FOR 12 TO 24, YOU'LL SEE THE PRICE HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN A BIG JUMP UP.
SO, SO WE'RE SORT OF AVERAGING THAT IN, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T START TILL DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT, THAT BLENDING OF, UH, PRICES.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE EVAPORATE, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU DO ANYTHING, RIGHT, LIKE YOU COULD BUY GAS, YOU COULD ALWAYS FIND A CHEAPER ACROSS THE STREET AND PEOPLE WANTED TO SHOP, THEY CAN, BUT, BUT THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT LESS THAN 25% OF PEOPLE ACCEPT OFFERS FROM A RETAIL SUPPLIER ON THEIR OWN.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SWITCHED IN THE STATE OR HAVE DONE THAT THROUGH AGGREGATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD TELL EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THERE'S, THERE'S THIS PRICE THAT, ON THAT APPLES TO APPLES AND THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT KNOW, WE'LL EVEN SAY, WE'LL BUMP IT UP, BUT LESS THAN 30%, WE'LL ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? SO THE IDEA ABOUT THE AGGREGATION IS TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THEM, YOU KNOW, A FAIR PRICE, RIGHT.
WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED COME AND GO, AS THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT TO SHOP, THEY COULD DO THAT.
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KNOW, I THINK A BIG THING THAT WE SEE WITH A LOT OF TIMES IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL SIGN UP FOR THOSE PROGRAMS AND THEY FORGET, RIGHT? NO, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL, BUT WE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THIS, THIS SUMMER WHO WERE SEEING PRICES 7 CENTS, 8 CENTS, 9 CENTS.I MEAN, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY DOWN YET, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN, WE'RE JUST OUTSIDE OF CINCINNATI.
I TALKED TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS 13 CENTS.
SO, SO, SO THE PROTECTION AT THE AGGREGATION GIVES YOU THAT SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS DON'T IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DILIGENT ON THOSE.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WHEN YOUR CONTRACT COMES TO IT, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TO SHOP AND GO THROUGH AND YOU DON'T CHASE AND CHASE THOSE PRIZES.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE THE PROGRAM EASY TO GO DO THAT FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TO DO THAT.
SO AGAIN, THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM IS SUPPOSED TO BE EASY.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO OFFER PROTECTIONS THAT PRICE IS JUST, ARE NOT GONNA SKYROCKET AT THE END OF THE PROGRAM.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO WHY I'M KIND OF GOING A LITTLE BIT SHORTER TERM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT LOOKING AT, AT THIS POINT, I THINK LOCKING INTO A MUCH LONGER TERM RATE, YOU KNOW, WE, THOSE UNKNOWNS, I THINK WE CAN MISS.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WERE ON A RISK WITH THE RESIDENTS OF KIND OF PUTTING THEM INTO TOO LONG OF A DEAL THAT MAY NOT.
UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE, AGAIN, IT'S ANYWHERE ELSE, THE MINUTE WE SIGNED THIS DEAL, IT COULD BE THE BEST PRICE.
YOU'LL FIND SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE APPLES TO APPLES CHEAPER, BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM HAVE TERMINATION FEES.
A LOT OF THEM WILL HAVE THAT LITTLE THING THAT SAYS INTRODUCTORY PRICE.
YOU KNOW, FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY SHORT TERM.
THEY S YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OFFERING SUB 4 CENTS, BUT IT'S A THREE MONTH DEAL.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO OUT THERE AND DO THE PROCESS EVERY YEAR, THREE TO SIX MONTHS, UM, AND THAT OPTIONS THERE, BUT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE AGGRAVATION PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HAVE TO CONSTANTLY KIND OF CHASE THAT WE WANT TO OFFER A, A STEADY AND FAIR RATE FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A FAIR LENGTH OF TIME AND BECAUSE I'M OFFERING, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M SAYING, I THINK WE SHOULD DO 12 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A VERY SIMILAR MEETING ABOUT 12 MONTHS FROM NOW TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO, UH, AFTER DECEMBER OF 2021.
DOES THAT FOR, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION, OR DID YOU NOT TAKE IT DOWN FROM THE LAST DISCUSSION? UH, NO.
UH, NO, MARY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS.
UM, RICH, I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT.
UM, I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE REGARDING A HOUSE, BILL SIX, UH, AND IT'S POSSIBLE A REPEAL.
UM, I KNOW THE GOVERNOR HAS KIND OF TIPTOED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE POLICY AND SOME CHANGES THAT WOULD BE MADE IN THERE IN YOUR OPINION.
UM, HOW WOULD THE REPEAL OF HOUSE BILL SIX AND ANY CHANGES AFFECT THE AGGREGATION ITSELF OR THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION THROUGHOUT THE STATE? WELL, I THINK, I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY REALLY IMPACTS, RIGHT? IF THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THE PATH THAT THEY'RE GOING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL LIKELY GET CAUGHT IN THE COURTS FOR A LONG TIME.
RIGHT? THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE RETAIL SUPPLIERS, LIKE AN AP ENERGY, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR KIND OF COMPANY LIKE THAT WITH, WITH ENERGY HARBOR'S NAME IN IT, THEN YOU HAVE A FIRST ENERGIES, FIRST ENERGY, THE APPARENT UTILITY, YOU KNOW, HIS NAME.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I THINK IF ANYTHING, THIS, THIS WORKS WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AGGREGATION PROGRAM AND FOR DEREGULATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S SAYING THAT THERE WERE THINGS IN THE MARKET THAT WERE DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, AND NOT THE RIGHT WAY, RIGHT.
TO, TO POTENTIALLY SUBSIDIZE NOT ECONOMIC GENERATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS HURTING AND, UH, MAKING THEM STEP BACK ON SOME POLICIES THEY HAD FOR RENEWABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO I THINK REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS IF IT PLAYS OUT THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SEEMS THAT IT IS, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE STATE.
CAUSE I THINK IT BRINGS IT MORE TOWARDS LIKE AN OPEN MARKET, RIGHT? THE MARKET WILL DECIDE WHAT THE PRICES SHOULD BE, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT SUBSIDIES OR, OR POLICY THAT WE KNOW WAS PUT IN PLACE, UM, IN A MAYBE NOT FAIR MANNER.
UM, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, 12 MONTHS OUT FOR THIS ONE, I DON'T SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS AT ALL BECAUSE IT'LL BE, I THINK YOU'LL SPEND A LOT MORE TIME IN THE COURTROOM, UH, SORTING THOSE THINGS OUT.
SO YOUR SUGGESTION, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M COMPLETELY CLEAR IS WE'D GO AHEAD WITH THIS 12 MONTH, UM, UH, PROPOSAL.
UM, AND WE AWAIT TO SEE WHAT, UH, THE LEGISLATURE BRINGS BACK WITH A REPEAL AND REPLACEMENT OF HOUSE BILL SIX.
AND I THINK, AND THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT SORT OF GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S LET THIS PLAY OUT.
AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF REVISIT THIS A YEAR FROM NOW AND JUST SEE WHERE PRICES ARE.
I MEAN, CAUSE THE P AND L WOULD HAVE REFRESHED THEIR PRICES AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT THE CAPACITY MARKET THAT TYPICALLY RUNS, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR FOR THREE YEARS OUT, UH, WE'RE RUN
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THEY'RE ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND.SO THAT'S ABOUT MAKES UP OF ROUGHLY 20 TO 25% OF YOUR BILL IS THAT PART.
AND USUALLY WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW GOING MORE THAN TWO YEARS OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THAT, BETWEEN HOUSE BILL SIX AND WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN WITH THAT, UH, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOME THINGS SHAKE OUT THAN TO, TO, TO HAVE YOU GUYS, UH, AGREE TO A DEAL JUST TO AGREE TO A DEAL.
YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW MR. BIRCHER COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL LINES? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, RICH, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.
UH, ONE OF THE POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT WITH THE ENERGY AGGREGATION PROGRAM, EVEN THOUGH, UM, IT'S REALLY A HELPFUL, UH, SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S ALSO A BULK RATE PURCHASING.
SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT, UH, ONE OF THE BETTER PRICES COMING IN.
JUST SAY, YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT ONE OF THE BETTER PRICES COMING IN, UH, FOR THIS NIGHT.
I REMEMBER YOU SPEAKING, UH, ABOUT THE COST, UH, TRANSFERS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE INTRODUCTORY RATES AND ALL OF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, UH, GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THIS AGREEMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSED AND NOT TO EXCEED THAT PRICE.
SO MY LAST QUESTION MAYOR WILL BE FOR ROB, UH, ROB, UH, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? CAUSE THAT PUTS A GOOD DEAL OF RESPONSIBILITY ON YOU AND STAFF.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS EITHER WAITING TO GET A PRICE TO COME BACK TO HAVE YOU LEGISLATE AN, AN AUTHORIZED THAT PRICE.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE AUTHORIZING A PRICE TONIGHT OR BETTER.
SO AT WHATEVER TIME WE ARE READY TO DO IT, YOU'RE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AGREEMENT YOU'RE AUTHORIZING US TO DO IT.
AND WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT, WE WILL DO IT.
A WORST CASE SCENARIO IS 4.69, UH, AND YOU'RE BASICALLY LEGISLATING AND IMPROVING THAT AGREEMENT, UH, AND US TO EXECUTE THAT AT THE RIGHT TIME, THE GOAL WOULD BE BETTER.
UH, AND RICH AGAIN FEELS PRETTY CONFIDENT.
UM, AND, AND I HAVE NO ISSUES.
I THINK THAT THE, UH, THE PROCESS IS THE SAME.
WE'RE JUST GETTING AHEAD OF IT SO THAT IF WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOCK IN SOMETHING MAY BE SUB FOR, UH, WE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AND MAKE THAT DECISION.
SO COUNCIL'S DECISION IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY BEING 4.6, NINE OR LOWER.
AND IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, THEN I AM TOO.
IT THINKS THERE'S YOUR LINES AND MR. WEBB, THANK YOU, MIRA.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE SAVINGS THAT RESIDENTS IN THE BUSINESSES MADE THROUGH THE CURRENT PROGRAM.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLDS HAVE OPTED OUT? COUNCILMAN, BERGES DONE CHOSEN A SUPPLY ROOM.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND.
UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN GET.
UM, I'LL GET THAT TO RUSS AND RUSS, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF JENNA, BUT I COULD TALK WITH AEP.
SO WOULD THEY HAVE THE, ALL THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INITIALLY ELIGIBLE AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE OPTED OUT AND KIND OF, THEY, THEY CALL IT THE WATERFALL.
I KNOW I WILL GET THE LATEST ONE FOR YOU.
SO THE QUESTION, UH, YEAH, JUST SO, UM, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP, UH, MR. WEBB'S COMMENT.
UH, JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS I WAS IN THE AGGREGATE FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS AND, AND BECAUSE THE RATES FELL, UH, QUITE A BIT, THEN THAT'S WHAT I GOT OUT, BUT THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF OUR SYSTEM.
AND SO IF, IF IT TURNED THE OTHER WAY, THEN HAVE IT JUST GET RIGHT BACK IN.
THANKS MS. BERG, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RABO ORIGINAL RUSS REGARDING DISAGREEMENT? YES.
PATRICIA, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, SECTION ONE OF THE RESOLUTION, UM, THE LAST SENTENCE IN THE RESOLUTION READS, UH, TO EXTRICATE SUBSEQUENT AGREEMENTS AS NEEDED WITH REGARD TO REDUCING ENERGY, OR I'M SORRY, ELECTRIC COST.
UM, IS THAT JUST REFERENCING THIS PARTICULAR 12 MONTH AGREEMENT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SUBSEQUENT AGREEMENTS THEREAFTER? CAUSE THAT
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KIND OF SOUNDS KIND OF GREAT TO ME.THE INTENT IS REALLY FOR JUST THIS 12, RIGHT? WE WOULD COME BACK AND IT WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS ALL AGAIN BECAUSE JUST AS THE DATES AT THE TOP, SAY YOU'RE ONLY AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE IT FOR A PRICE THAT PRICE THROUGH A SET TERM.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND EVEN SORT OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE THE NEXT AGREEMENT GOES TO THAT TERM.
I'VE, I'VE ALREADY STARTED TO TALK WITH, UH, APD SINCE WHETHER WE'D USE SOME SORT OF BLEND AND EXTEND, LIKE, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO START THE NEW PRICE SOONER, YOU KNOW, BLENDING IN WITH THE PRICE, WE HAVE SOME C YOU KNOW, START TO LOWER PRICES.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING I'M, I'M WORKING WITH THEM ALREADY, BUT THAT IS FOR A SET TERM, NOT BEYOND THAT.
AND RICHARD, I GUESS VICE VERSA.
UM, LET'S SAY WE ENTER INTO THIS PRICE OF 4.69.
UM, AND LET'S SAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BLEND IT AND STARTED, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, UM, HOUSE BILL SIX OR, UH, A SUBSEQUENT ENERGY BILL GETS PASSED, LET'S SAY MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, AND THERE'S DRASTIC REDUCTIONS, UH, WITHIN THE MARKET.
UM, THEN WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE LEFT OUR RESIDENTS OUT, YOU KNOW, PAYING A HIGHER PRICE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
WHAT RAMIFICATIONS DO WE HAVE THERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT? TH THAT, THAT IS ONE NICE THING.
I MEAN, SO SOMETIMES A 12 MONTH TERM CAN BE TOO SHORT, RIGHT? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE REASON YOU WANT TO GO TWO OR THREE YEARS LIKE WE DID IS BECAUSE WE KNEW THE MARKET THIS FAR OUT WAS LOWER.
SO WE WERE GIVING THE RESIDENTS CHEAPER PRICES THREE YEARS AGO FROM WHAT WE SAW IN THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE YEARS OUT LIKE THAT CAPACITY AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
SO, SO THE REALLY NICE THING ABOUT THE 12 YEAR, THE 12 MONTH IS THAT A SAFE THINGS DO DECLINE FOR SOME REASON, WHETHER IT BE REGULATORY OR JUST SAY THE MARKET COLLAPSES, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER COVID SITUATION, BUT THE MARKET KNOW WE'RE UP ALMOST 10% SINCE THEN, BUT SAY COLLAPSES BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHORT TERM TO BLEND IN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LONGER.
IT MAKES IT PRETTY NICE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BLEND THEM, YOU KNOW, SAY A HIGHER PRICE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, A LOW PRICE.
IF WE ADD AS MANY MONTHS AS WE CAN OFF THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STARTING TO AVERAGE IN YOU HOPE LOWER NUMBERS.
SO THAT SORT OF DRIVE THAT THING LOWER.
SO YES, WITH US HAVING A 12 MONTH PROGRAM, I THINK IT GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH AEP, UM, TO, TO OFFER A BLEND AND EXTEND AS SOON AS SOME OF THESE POLICY THINGS, UH, IT COULD BE SMALL TO BIG START TO PLAY OUT.
AND IF WE FEEL IT'S IN THE RIGHT SITUATION, UM, THEY'VE BEEN BEING ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M, I I'M, I'M SUGGESTING AP IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN FANTASTIC WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, VERY RECEPTIVE TO THINGS LIKE BLENDING EXTENDS, UH, TO, TO WORK WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, THAT, THAT SETS UP VERY WELL FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WATCH THE MARKET.
AND IF SOMETHING CHANGES SAY EARLY TO MID NEXT YEAR, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING TO THEM AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW DO WE START BLENDING IN THOSE LOWER PRICES? YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ONE OF MY LAST, I GUESS, KIND OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, AND ROB THIS MAY MAYBE TO YOU AS WELL.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, UH, THE NOTIFICATION TO OUR RESIDENTS, I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WE DID A WHOLE FORM LETTER OF ADVERTISING ON HOW THAT, UM, ARE WE GOING TO USE THAT SAME LETTER WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY ALTERATIONS? UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL BASICALLY USE THE SAME, UH, SOURCE.
I IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD, UH, HAVE ANOTHER SOLICITATION, UH, WHICH WILL BE PART OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS TO EDUCATE AND INFORM PEOPLE AS FAR AS HAVING LETTER TO REVIEW.
WE, WE CHECK ON THAT INTERNALLY.
UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A, A PROCESS THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO CHECK OFF ON, BUT NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
WE WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT GENERALLY THAT IT'S GOT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF, THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEFORE IT GOES OUT, BUT WE ALWAYS DO.
UM, RICH HAS BEEN GOOD ABOUT SENDING THAT LETTER.
UM, I KNOW RUSS HAS MADE SOME AMENDMENT, I HAVE TO DO SOME PREVIOUS LETTERS AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT INFORMATION IS OUT IN WORD CORRECTLY AND EVEN BRANDED CORRECTLY, UH, BEFORE IT GETS OUT.
SO, NO, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRST LETTER, UM, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE DID AND MOVING THAT FORWARD.
UM, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T NEED TO REVIEW IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF ONE BEFORE IT DOES GO OUT WITH THIS NEW, UM, UH, MARKETING.
AND IF WE COULD HAVE THOSE DATES AS WELL, JUST IN CASE RESIDENTS HIT US DIRECTLY WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS SAYS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UH, WE CAN ANSWER THAT AND ALSO DIRECT THEM TO OUR CITY WEBSITE AS WELL.
WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET THE NOTICE POSTED OUT AS WELL BEFORE PEOPLE START RECEIVING IT IN THE MAIL, UH, SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS IF THEY ARE CHECKING OUR WEBSITE OR SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE GET SARAH TO HELP COORDINATE THAT AS WELL.
AND JUST FOR TIMELINE WITH THAT, I MEAN, LETTERS, ASSUMING IT'S A DECEMBER START, WE DON'T BLEND
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IT IN ANYTIME SOONER, LET US GO OUT TO RESIDENT AND SOMETIMES STARTING IN MID OCTOBER.SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE DAY OR THE DAY AFTER AN AGREEMENT IS SIGNED, I'LL HAVE A FORMAL LETTER TO GIVE TO, YOU KNOW, TERROR, TO ROSS AND TO ROB AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEND TO RESIDENTS.
IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME ONE SINCE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN AND I'LL HAVE ALL THE DATES FORMED IN AND THAT'S WHEN I CAN TELL THEM EXACTLY WHEN THE OP THAT WILL BE A MORE FORMAL FORM OF ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE ABOUT TWO MONTHS AWAY LETTERS EVEN HAVING TO GO OUT.
WE HAVE SOME TIME TO KIND OF WATCH THE MARKET AND GET THAT DONE.
IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION OR YOU JUST DON'T TAKE IT DOWN FROM PREVIOUSLY.
OKAY, WELL, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, WELL BEFORE THAT THE OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO EXCEED RATE OF 4.69 CENTS.
BUT HOPEFULLY THAT KAREN OBJECTIONS THAT ON TWO UNTIL MONDAY.
[ Installation of Bus Shelters - Award Contract]
NEXT UP IS THREE C, WHICH IS THE INSTALLATION OF BUS SHELTERS.AND WHAT THIS IS, IS A LEGISLATION IS TO APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH LJ
UM, THIS IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF NINE BUS SHELTERS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.
UM, THEY WERE THE LOWEST AND BEST FITTER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, IN YOUR PACKET, IT SHOWS THE THREE BITTERS THAT WERE, UM, INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AND, UH, UH, LJ JULIUS WAS THAT 128,330.
THE OTHER TWO WERE W NEXT ONE WAS ONE 45,000 AND THE OTHER ONE WAS 215,000.
THE ESTIMATE I HAD ORIGINALLY WAS 141,728, COME IN.
UM, WE HAVE A, NOT TO EXCEED THEM 145,000 WITH HIS LEGISLATION MESSES TO COVER ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGE ORDERS WE MAY HAVE, OR WE MAY HAVE TO, UH, CHANGE OR REVISE SOME SIDEWALK WHEN WE PUT SOME OF THE SHELTERS IN.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL IS FOR.
UM, RTA WILL COVER PERCENT OF THIS PROJECT, UH, AS A REIMBURSABLE COSTS.
AND, UH, THEY DID HAVE 200 CALENDAR DAYS FROM COMPLETION FOR THIS.
UH, THE REASON FOR THAT BEING SO LONG IS THERE IS A THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, UH, LEAD TIME TO ORDER THE SHELTERS AND HAVE THEM DELIVERED.
SO LOT OF TIMES THEY WORK ON THE SLABS AND STUFF AHEAD OF TIME, AND THEN THEY WAIT FOR THE SHELTERS TO COME IN AND I DON'T PUT THEM IN AT THAT TIME, WHICH CAN BE DONE IN THE WINTER.
SO, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOUR REST ON THE BUS? YES.
THIS QUESTION IS JUST GOES BACK A BIT TO, UM, WHAT RICHARD WAS SAYING.
UM, I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE, UM, CONNECTION TO DATE AND WATER.
OH, THAT'S JUST A, NO, I DO NOT BECAUSE THAT CONNECTION HAS NEVER OPENED AS FAR AS VALVES ARE CONCERNED AND IT'S ALL METERED TO WHATEVER COMES IN AND OUT.
UM, CITY OF DAYTON CAME BACK TO US A WHILE BACK AND ASKED TO DO BOTH WAYS THAT WE'D HAVE METER SET UP, THAT WE COULD FEED THEM WATER IF THEY NEEDED.
THAT'S HASN'T BEEN FINAL AGREED YET.
AND WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOU WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DAVID BEFORE ANY OF THIS HAPPENS.
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, WE WILL NEVER GIVE THEM WATER UNTIL THERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM AND THEY NEED IT.
UH, NORMALLY IF WE NEEDED THE WATER, IT'S NOT GOING TO PROBABLY HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS. SO IF IT WAS, WE MAY NOT DO IT, BUT NORMALLY THE CONNECTIONS ARE THERE THAT THEY'RE VALVED OFF.
WE CAN'T, THEY CAN'T BE REALLY BE PROBLEMS UNLESS WE ACTUALLY UP THE VALVES TO DO IT.
SO, UH, NO, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND I THINK THE AGREEMENT SHOULD WORK WELL BECAUSE WE BOTH HAVE SOMETHING WE NEED.
AND, UH, UH, AT FIRST I WAS WORRIED THAT WE JUST BE PURCHASING FROM THEM AND THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, SKYROCKET THE PRICE TO US FOR THE WATER IF WE NEEDED IT.
BUT NOW THAT THEY NEED IT, UH, TIMES WE COULD POSSIBLY SUPPLY THEM WITH SOMETHING.
AND SO THAT AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BOTH WAYS.
SO THE COST OF THE WATER WOULD BE PROBABLY SHARED THE SAME COST.
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AS THE, WE NEEDED WATER AND THEM HAVING PROBLEMS, NO, BECAUSE NORMALLY THEIR PROBLEMS ARE RESOLVED.I THINK, YOU KNOW, AFTER THEY FIXED THESE WATER MAIN BREAKS, THEY'LL BE BACK TO NORMAL.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT I WANTED TO GET THAT IN THERE WHILE YOU WERE STILL HERE WITH US, SIR.
IS THAT, DO WE COUNT A CA A TIMELINE OR IS THAT OUR TA'S TIMELINE? NO, THERE'S NO, THAT'S, THAT'S DENISE'S TIMELINE.
UH, THE OTHER TWO, THE OTHER TWO WERE CLOSE TO 170, 180.
IT'S JUST THE TIMEFRAME IT TAKES TO GET THEM, UH, RTA DOESN'T HAVE A DEADLINE.
I KNOW WE CAN SUBMIT WHENEVER HE IT'S, HE'S NEVER GIVEN ME ONE AND I KNOW THE MONEY'S THERE AND SET ASIDE FOR US, SO THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
LAST TIME, IF I REMEMBER THEY WERE A HUNDRED, 120 DAYS LEAD TIME TO GET THEM.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I KNOW IT'S THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, SO, RIGHT.
SO THEY WON'T ORDER THEM UNTIL WE SIGN A, GET THE CONTRACT GOING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'LL START AT THAT POINT WHEN THEY ORDER THEM.
AND, UM, THESE, DO WE ALSO HAVE TRASH CANS GOING WITH THESE? NO, WE HAVE, THE SLAB WILL BE SET UP FOR THE TRASH CANS, BUT WE DO NOT.
WE DON'T LAST TIME THEY GAVE US TRASH CANS.
I ACTUALLY RTA SUPPLIED US WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA ONES THEY HAD.
SO WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT AGAIN.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO, THAT'S THIS CONTRACT DID NOT HAVE THE TRASH CANS.
UH, WELL, WE PUT THEM THERE BECAUSE THEY GET FILLED UP.
I MEAN, I'VE TALKED TO MIKE, MIKE HAS HAD SET UP, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK REPUBLIC PICKS THEM UP, BUT I KNOW MIKE KIND OF MAINTAINS THEM OR GET SOME THERE.
AND SO I HAVE TO TALK WITH HIM TO SEE WHETHER I CAN POSSIBLY SEE IT AND ADD IT TO THIS AND SEE IF RTA WILL PAY FOR THEM OR IF I CAN GET NEW, MORE OF THEM FROM RTA.
APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE BUS SHELTER INSTALLATION OF THE CONTRACT? THE OBJECTION, MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY.
[ Sanitary Sewer Repair – Increase Contract – Durst Brothers Excavating]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE D WHICH IS A SANITARY SEWER REPAIR INCREASING THAT CONTRACT THROUGH MANGERS EXCAVATING MR. MURPHY, THIS, THIS ASSISTANCE TO INCREASE THE CONTRACT, UM, DUE TO WE HAD A SANITARY FORCED MAIN REPAIR.UM, THE ADDITIONAL ONE, WHAT HAPPENED WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU GUYS PROVED A CONTRACT WITH DURST TO REPLACE, UH, 650 FEET OF THE SAME FORCE MAIN JUST SOUTH OF POWER ROAD.
UH, THEY DID THAT PROJECT COMPLETED IT WHILE THEIR NEAR COMPLETION, WHEN ABOUT, WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS ONLINE AND THEY WERE STILL DOING RESTORATION WORK WHERE ABOUT 30 OR 40 FEET PAST WHERE WE RE WE PUT THE NEW LINE AND THE OLD LINE BROKE AGAIN.
AND, UH, I HAD THEM WHILE THEY WERE THERE TO GO AHEAD AND FIX THE FIVE POINT OTHER THERE.
UM, SO THAT WAY THAT WAS THE ROUGHLY ABOUT $20,000 ITEM THAT I JUST ADDED TO THE PROJECT.
AND, AND THAT WENT OVER THE NOT TO EXCEED.
NOW, FOR THAT, IT ALSO CAUSED A SLIGHT, UH, WASH OUT OF A STREAM.
THAT'S DOWN THERE WITH THE EXTRA FLOW THAT WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF REPAIR THERE FOR TWO OR $3,000.
I WAS ADDING MORE RIPRAP TO THE DITCH THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO THAT'S THE INCREASE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UH, I THINK IT'S 20,000 TO COVER THAT AREA AND THAT THIS DITCH RESPIRATION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, INCREASING THAT CONTRACT? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
NEXT IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS, MR. BELL, GOOD EVENING.MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HAVE A FEW ITEMS FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UM, THE, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL, WHICH I SENT OUT IN THE PACKET, UH, AND THEN WE HAD TONY SEND OUT ONE CHANGE.
UM, I'LL START WITH THE ORIGINAL, THE BUS SHELTERS THAT RUSS JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UH, HE'S IN NEED OF, UH, A BUDGET OF $145,000.
AND SINCE SOME OF THAT IS, UM, CITY PORTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY, UH, WHICH WE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW TO BE ABOUT $29,000.
THAT WOULD BE A TRANSFER AND I'LL PULL IT OFF.
I WANT YOU TO BUDGET THAT, BUT I'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL COST, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TRANSFER ANY MONEY FOR THE CITY PORTION THAT ISN'T TRULY OUR COST.
AND THEN THE OTHER 116,000, WILL IT BE AN ADVANCE FROM THE GAS TAX FUND? AND THAT WILL BE RE REIMBURSED AS WE GET, UM, UH, MONIES FROM THE RTA GRANT AS THOSE COME IN.
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IN ESSENCE, THE, UM, THE NET OR, UM, THE NET COST OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, ESTIMATE TO BE 29,000 SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.THE OTHER ITEM THAT I HAD SENT OUT IN THE PACKET TO IN ADVANCE WAS, UH, SOUNDS LIKE A LARGE EXPENSE, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T THE 3,000,813, 600,000.
THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, AS WE CALL THE TED FUND TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND, I HAD, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUDGETED ALL THE MONEY IN THE OPERATIONS CATEGORY, BUT THERE IS A DEBT PAYMENT COMING UP AND THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
AND SO THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON THAT DEBT, UH, THE 3,000,008, 13, 600 IS, UH, NEEDED TO BE CLASSIFIED AS DEBT SERVICE, NOT OPERATIONS.
SO IT'S SIMPLY, UM, UM, IT'S SOMETHING I CAUGHT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
UM, UH, DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUDGET ANY AT ALL.
IT'S JUST CLASSIFYING IT AS THE DEBT PORTION OF THE BUDGET, AS OPPOSED TO THE OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL PORTION.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT ONE.
AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL ONE THAT I SENT OUT OR THAT TONY SENT OUT TODAY WAS FOR, UM, UM, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECTS THIS YEAR, UM, UH, FOR DECK THE CARRIAGE TRAILS, SECTION 17, AS WELL AS WIND, UH, WINDBROOK SECTION 3.1, UM, THOSE TOTAL 640,000, UH, THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT ON THOSE IN THE NEXT MONTH, UH, POSSIBLY BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
SO I'M ASKING THAT WE GET THOSE NUMB TO START OFF WITH THAT WOULD BE AN ADVANCE FROM THE GAS TAX FUND OVER TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS FUND.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN PAY THOSE EXPENSES, THOSE DRAWS WHEN THEY COME IN, AND THEN I EXPECT THOSE MONIES TO BE REIMBURSED BY A SIBLING.
UH, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I'LL BRING THE, THE START OF THAT PROCESS WHERE WE'LL APPLY FOR A SIBLING.
UH, THEY NEED COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THAT.
AND THEN ONCE THEY COME BACK WITH, UH, THE DEBT SCHEDULE, UH, THEN I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION TO COUNSEL FOR THAT, WHEN THAT GETS SETTLED.
BUT, UM, SO THE BUDGET WOULD, UH, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT I'M ASKING FOR IS 640,000, UH, ADVANCES FROM GAS TAX FUND TO THE CARRIAGE TRAILS FUND.
AND THEN I'M ALSO INCLUDING IN THERE A RETURN OF THAT ADVANCE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN THE SIBLING PROCEEDS COME IN, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO RETURN THOSE ADVANCES BACK TO THE GAS TAX FUNDS.
SO I'M ASKING TO DO BOTH, SO IT'S BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION, SO TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT MONEY WILL BE REQUESTED AND DRAWS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT BUDGET AT, AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE BUDGETING THE EXPENSE WE BUDGET THE RETURN OF THE ADVANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR JIM REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTS? YES.
MR. SHAW, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UM, JIM, I WAS, I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT, UH, UH, SOME OF OUR, UM, FINANCIAL IMPACT, UM, UH, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, INCLUDING THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN BACK ON APRIL 21ST.
UM, AND, UH, THAT WAS A PRESENTATION AT THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HAD PROVIDED TO COUNCIL.
CAN YOU TELL ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE A SECOND PRESENTATION IS NEEDED, UM, AS WE CONTINUE INTO THE THIRD QUARTER, UM, ON ANY TYPE OF PHYSICAL IMPACTS THAT MAY HAVE MATERIALIZED THAT MAY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE ISSUE WITH OUR REVENUE BUDGET OR ANY OF OUR, UM, UH, LINE ITEMS. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THOSE? I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I UNDERSTAND THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT, UM, AND, AND THE MOVEMENT OF FUNDS, UM, THAT I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH, BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ANY CHANGE IN THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GASOLINE, UH, A FUND, UM, WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A, IN MY OPINION, A HUGE IMPACT, UH, COMING INTO NEXT YEAR.
UM, ACTUALLY I HAVE, UH, JUST RECENTLY LOOKED AT THE GASOLINE TAX THAT YOU TALK ABOUT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL ESTIMATES, UH, CAME FROM THE STATE WHERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN INCREASE THIS YEAR OF $900,000 DUE TO THE JULY INCREASE IN THE GAS TAXES LAST YEAR.
UM, MY NEW REVISED ESTIMATE, UH, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE FIRST SEVEN MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, THAT NUMBER WILL BE PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO 800,000.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO A COVID ISSUES.
SO THE IMPACT THEY'RE LESS DRIVING, UH, THE COST OF GASOLINE IS DOWN THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT I AM SEEING, I THINK THE LOW WAS IN MAY AND JUNE AND JULY NUMBERS ARE COMING BACK, NOT TO THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE ESTIMATED TO REACH THAT 900,000.
BUT I DO THINK FOR THE YEAR, WE'LL BE UP
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ABOUT 800,000 MORE THAN WE WERE IN PREVIOUS YEARS.SO THEY'LL STILL BE AN INCREASE.
IT JUST WON'T BE TO THE LEVEL THAT WAS ESTIMATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT TIME.
AND, UH, BRIAN AND I ARE, UH, JUST BEGINNING THE PROCESS, THE, UH, THE ACCOUNT, THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE, UM, 20, 21, UM, UH, BUDGETS, UH, FOR THEM TO TURN IN BY FRIDAY.
AND THEN HE, AND I WILL SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THOSE BUDGETS, WE'LL HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ROB, OF COURSE, AND I BELIEVE AS WE MOVE INTO THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, I THINK INCORPORATING AT THAT TIME A CURRENT LOOK AT WHERE THE REVENUES ARE, UH, AND WHAT EXPENSES WE'VE SEEN, UH, DUE TO COVID, UH, WHETHER THEY ARE AT THE LEVEL WE ANTICIPATED OR, OR NOT QUITE THAT, UH, UH, LEVEL AND ALSO THE PROJECTIONS FOR WHAT WE MIGHT SEE IN CHANGES IN REVENUE NEXT YEAR.
UH, I DO AT THIS TIME, UH, IT'S TOUGH TO KNOW.
UM, THE ONE, I THINK, UH, ELEMENT NEXT YEAR WILL BE BUSINESS NET PROFITS.
UH, IF BUSINESSES ARE TAKING A HIT THIS YEAR, WHICH, UH, IS, UH, ANTICIPATED, UH, THE PROFITS THAT THEY PAY FOR THIS YEAR ARE NOT COMING IN AND INCOME TAXES UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
SO, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSERVATIVELY ESTIMATE THAT WE WOULD SEE A DROP IN INCOME TAXES NEXT YEAR, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS GOING TO BE A GUESSTIMATE BECAUSE, UH, THE BUSINESSES ARE NOT GOING TO BE WITH THAT INFORMATION.
AND, UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION, IF I MAY, UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF, OF FUNDING, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATE AS TO, UH, THE ALLOTMENT OF CARES ACT FUNDING THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, AND, UH, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO APPLY THOSE FUNDS TO? WELL, AS YOU KNOW, I SAID, UH, HAD COUNCIL APPROVE A BUDGET, I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING OR THE ONE BEFORE THAT.
AND, UM, SO WE'VE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF A LITTLE OVER $557,000 BETWEEN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MIAMI COUNTY.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO SPEND THAT AND THE INITIAL BUDGET THAT I, UH, SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR APPROVAL, UM, HAD, UM, ESTIMATES AS TO HOW I BELIEVE, UH, WILL BEST BE ABLE TO SPEND THOSE MONIES, UH, THAT MAY NEED TO BE AMENDED AS WE GET INTO SEPTEMBER.
UH, AS WE KNOW OF, UM, ITEMS THAT I'M STILL GETTING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, UH, THE OTTER STATE, UH, AND ALSO THE, UH, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AS TO WHAT TRULY, UH, CLASSIFIES AS A CARES ACT FUNDING ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.
UM, SO AS, UH, AS WE TRY AND WORK OUT THOSE DIFFERENCES, UH, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, UM, HAVE EXPENSES THAT WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, THESE ARE DEFINITELY CARES, ACT EXPENSES THIS YEAR, AND THEN GET TO THE AUDIT NEXT YEAR AND HAVE IT DETERMINED THAT NOW THOSE, SOME OF THOSE WERE NOT.
SO, UH, I WANT TO MAKE, UM, EXPLICITLY SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR OUT OF THAT CORONA VIRUS, UH, RELIEF FUND IS GOING TO BECOME ELIGIBLE, UH, WHEN THE AUDIT IS DONE NEXT YEAR.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, JIM, DO YOU BELIEVE IN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS QUESTION MAY BE FOR ROBERT AS WELL, THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR, UM, MAYBE THE MAYOR TO DRAFT A LETTER, UM, ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL TO, UH, TO THE STATE, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING, UH, AND GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING THAT INITIAL STEP FORWARD THAT IF THERE ARE FUNDS RETURNED, UH, TO THE STATE, UH, LATER ON THIS YEAR THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY UTILIZE THOSE FOR ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OR, UM, THINGS THAT COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE CARES ACT FUNDING.
AND HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND A ALL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE CLASSIFY, UM, UM, UH, EMS, UH, SALARIES.
WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED IT, IF THAT WERE THE ONLY THING THAT WE SUBMIT, THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER THE 557,000.
OF COURSE, THAT WOULD MEAN I HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL AND ADJUST THE BUDGET THAT WAS SET UP FOR THAT.
UM, TRYING TO FIND OTHER EXPENSES THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SUCH AS THE TOUCHLESS FAUCETS AND TOILETS AT THE DIFFERENT, UH, CITY BUILDINGS AT THE MUSIC CENTER, UH, GET MANY OF THOSE PAID FOR.
UM, AND YES, THERE WILL BE A TIME WHERE, UH, THEY HAVE NOT COME OUT WITH THE, UH, EXPLANATION AS TO HOW WE WOULD REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDS, BUT WE'LL BE ON THE WATCH THAT, AND I KNOW THE CITY MANAGERS ARE BEING KEPT UP TO DATE ON THEIR, UM, WEEKLY CALLS.
UM, SO AS SOON AS WE KNOW THAT INFORMATION, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.
OBVIOUSLY, THE OTHER THING I WOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT I HAD NOT BEFORE WAS IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF DECLARING ELIGIBLE EXPENSES, THERE WILL BE A TIME WHERE I WILL COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR A RESOLUTION FOR YOU TO DECLARE THAT THE EXPENSES THAT I WILL COME TO YOU WITH DETAILS ON THAT YOU DECLARE THESE NECESSARY FOR THE, A, TO, TO HAUL ANY POTENTIAL SPREAD OF THE CORONA VIRUS IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND THEY SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE AUDITORS WILL LOOK FOR IS THAT YOUR
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LEGISLATIVE BODY HAS APPROVED THAT THESE EXPENSES.AND THERE'LL BE VERY, VERY WELL DETAILED THAT THEY BELIEVE THESE WERE NECESSARY EXPENSES AND THEY APPROVE OF THESE EXPENSES.
SO I WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
AND OF COURSE AT THE TIME, OR WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE'RE HAPPY TO SIGN THE LETTER AND THEN, AND BACK TO COUNCIL FOR NOW FOR ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE EXPENSES OR FUNDS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. BELL ON OUR SUPPLEMENTALS? AND OF COURSE I DIDN'T MENTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE THIS PASSED ON MONDAY NIGHT, UH, DUE TO SOME OF THE EXPENSES IN THERE NEEDING TO BE USED RIGHT AWAY.
SO IF YOU COULD SUSPEND THE SECOND TO, UM, SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS IT ON MONDAY.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT SINCE OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS NOT FOR THREE WEEKS.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, TO MOVE INTO A SONG TO MONDAY WITH THE SECOND READING? HERE'S WHAT OBJECTIONS YOU GETTING INTO MONDAY.
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE F WHICH IS THE COUNTY ASSESSMENTS AUTHORIZATION.
NOW, JIM, IS THAT ALSO YOU OR ROB, OR ARE YOU TAKING A YES, I HAVE THAT TWO ITEMS AS WELL.
BEFORE WE GO ONTO THAT, I HAD ONE MORE ITEM A, I KNOW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, ROB MENTIONED THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR, UM, UH, THE ABATEMENT DOLLARS NEEDED SINCE WE'RE USING SO MUCH AT MANDELA.
UM, IS THAT DOLLAR FIGURE DETERMINED, ROB, DO YOU HAVE A, AN ESTIMATE OR A SO THAT WE CAN HAVE COUNCIL APPROVAL TO ADD THAT TONIGHT? UM, FOR THE PACKET? UH, YES.
AND SCOTT, YOU CAN, UH, CHIME IN IF YOU HAD ANY DIFFERENT FIGURE.
UH, BUT, UM, WE NEED TO PRETTY MUCH COVER THAT $12,000 THAT WAS DONE BY THE CONTRACTOR AND KIND OF NET THAT OUT.
SO AN INCREASE OF TWO OF $12,000, SCOTT, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? YES.
SO IF EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEANT, WE HAD TO SPEND AN UNANTICIPATED $12,000.
WE WANT TO APPROPRIATE AN ADDITIONAL 12 TO ALLOW FOR THE REMAINING OF THOSE FUNDS TO USE THROUGH, UH, OTHER ABATEMENTS THAT COULD COME UP THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR.
SO, SO BEFORE ACTUALLY GO ON TO APP, THEN WE'RE SO LOOKING AT ADDING THAT $12,000 INTO ITEM E FOR MONDAY'S MEETING, CORRECT.
I'M GOING TO SAY ADDITIONAL 12,000, TH TH THAT IS CORRECT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADDING THAT 12,000 INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR MONDAYS, AND THAT WOULD ALSO COME WITH ADDING TO THE AGREED UPON EXPENDITURE TO THAT PARTICULAR VENDOR.
UM, AND ACTUALLY, I'M NOT SURE WE LEGISLATED THAT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL WAS UNDER 25,000.
SO THE ADDITIONAL 12 ON TOP OF THE 16, UM, THIS WAS OVER THE
SO THAT'LL BE A COMPANION PIECE TO THAT.
UH, AND IT WILL LOOK AS IF WE'RE AWARDING A BID, BUT IT'S TO COVER THE COST OF THAT UNANTICIPATED EXPENSE WITHIN OUR ALREADY SELECTED CONTRACTOR.
PROBABLY YOU MENTIONED THE, THE PROPERTY ON A RIP RAP THAT WAS ALREADY LIKE KIND OF HALF BURNED UP, IS THAT, SO, SO DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY? I MEAN, YOU SAID WERE $500 SHORTER WITH THE ORIGINAL ABATEMENT, BUT IT WAS, SO IS THAT MONEY KIND OF ENFORCED WELL, OR IF, IF, AND WHEN WE HAVE, NOR ABATEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THEN WE WOULD JUST COME BACK AND ADD ANOTHER SUPPLEMENTALS.
WE USUALLY DON'T BUDGET FOR LARGE UNANTICIPATED EXPENSES JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE BUDGET MUCH TIGHTER THAN THAT AND MORE ACCURATE.
AND IF WE DO INCUR SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT LIKE THAT AGAIN, IN A RELATIVELY SMALL LINE ITEM, THEN WE'LL JUST ASK AND KEEP THE AMOUNTS, UM, EXACT RATHER THAN SURE.
ACTUALLY RIP RAP WAS KIND OF PRETTY CLOSE ON THE RISE IN EARLY.
SO WE'RE HOPING IT'S CLOSE HOME.
WE HOPE IT HOPE IT MOVES RIGHT ALONG.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTIONS TO ADDING THAT $12,000 ONTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR MY DAY? OKAY.
SO WE'LL MOVE THAT ON WITH IT COMBINED.
[ County Assessments Authorization]
AND THE NEXT WOULD BE OUR COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION, WHICH IS ITEM THREE F JIM.UM, THIS IS THE, UH, SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS AND, UM, UH, I DID NOT INCLUDE EXHIBIT A, WHICH WOULD HAVE ALL THE DETAILS OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS.
AND I EXPLAINED THAT IN THE COUNCIL PACKET THAT THOSE WERE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO PAY THOSE ASSESSMENTS FOR THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE DUE DATE WAS MONDAY THE 17TH.
UH, EVEN AS LATE AS, UH, JUST BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT, I STILL HAD A PERSON I WAS TALKING TO OVER THE PHONE THAT HAD MADE A CREDIT CARD PAYMENT.
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AND SO THOSE WERE, UH, WE WERE STILL ACCEPTING PAYMENTS TODAY AND, UM, UH, REALLY, EVEN UP TO NOON TOMORROW, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET A FINAL EXHIBIT A IN YOUR COUNCIL PACKET TO SEE FOR PASSAGE ON MONDAY NIGHT.SO THIS WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE ON THE, UM, UH, THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE ON MONDAY NIGHT WOULD BE PUTTING ON THE, UH, ASSESSMENTS FOR THE SIDEWALKS, UH, THOSE THAT CHOSE NOT TO PAY IT WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY TAXES ON NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, UM, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WHENEVER THE FIRST, UH, UH, PAYMENT IS DUE AND THOSE WOULD BE FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNTS, THE PROPERTIES, UH, WILL BE PART OF EXHIBIT A, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT THAT BE APPROVED ON MONDAY.
SO THAT WAY, UH, THE DUE DATE, UH, IS THE DATE OF THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO WE NEED TO GET THOSE TO, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UM, UM, BY THAT DATE.
SO, UH, IT WOULD BE, IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED MONDAY.
UH, NEXT MONDAY WOULD BE TOO LATE.
CAUSE THEN WE WOULD GET IT IN A DAY LATE.
SO TO MEET THEIR DEADLINE, I'M ASKING THAT WE APPROVE IT ON MONDAY NIGHT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO 82ND READING AND MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY?
[ Issuance of Notes - Renewal]
THE NEXT STEP IS I HAVE THREE G THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES, THE RENEWAL AND THEM AS WELL.UM, THIS, UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THE A $3,750,000 NOTES FOR A PURCHASE OF THE LAYMAN PROPERTY.
THAT'S, UM, UH, THAT WE'RE BUILDING THE, UH, THE BARN STRUCTURE ON RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, THAT WAS LAST, UH, OCTOBER ONE.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO RENEW THAT AS WE'VE NOT SEEN ANY, UH, PURCHASE OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE NOTES NEED TO BE RENEWED.
THAT WAS AN INTERNAL BORROWING.
WE BORROWED IT FROM OURSELVES.
AND SO THE PRINCIPLE AND THE INTEREST IS DUE, UM, BY OCTOBER ONE.
SO I'M ASKING FOR THIS TO BE RENEWED, UM, WORKED WITH CHRIS BRONSMAN TO DEVELOP THE LEGISLATION THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.
AND, UH, THIS WOULD NOT NEED, UH, DOES NOT NEED TO BE PASSED ON EMERGENCY AS A, UH, I'VE.
I PUT IN THE LEGISLATION I NEED FOR EMERGENCY BECAUSE AS LONG AS IT'S PAST MONDAY NIGHT, UH, THE 30 DAYS TO TAKE EFFECT WOULD BE BY SEPTEMBER 23RD.
AND THAT STILL MEETS THE DEADLINE BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST.
SO I JUST ASKED THAT WE WOULD RENEW THAT UNTIL WE CAN FIND A BUYER FOR THAT PROPERTY.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON MONDAY, SEEING NONE NEXT.
[ Montgomery County Land Bank Demolition Program]
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H WHICH IS THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY LAND BANK, THE MILITIA PROGRAM WHO HAS THAT? UH, THAT WOULD BE ME, SIR.I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT, SIR? HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD.
HOW ABOUT YOURSELF HANGING IN THERE? EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT.
UH, THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN ON MONDAY, UM, IS FOR THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM TO BE THE LAND BANK FOR 2021.
UM, AND IT WOULD EMPOWER THE CITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO ABOUT $70,000, UM, OVER THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD TO ASSIST US WITH, UH, SOME DEMOLITION, UH, AND, UH, AND, UH, PROPERTY ACQUISITION RELATIVE TO BLIGHT CONTROL.
SO WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN THIS IN THE HOPES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO STACK THIS GRANT ON TOP OF OUR CDBG APPLICATION, UH, AND LOWER OUR ACTUAL LOCAL TAX DOLLAR COMMITMENT, UH, TO THE CDBG PROJECT COUNCIL APPROVED EARLIER.
UH, SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR RYAN ON THIS PROGRAM? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
YEAH, BRIAN, WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT, THERE WAS A REFERENCE IN THERE, UM, TO A TARGET AREA OR A PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION.
DO WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS TARGETED? IT SOUNDED LIKE WE NEEDED TO HAVE THOSE TARGETS BEFORE WE CAN MOVE WITH THE PROGRAM.
MY APOLOGIES, THE, UM, THERE SHOULD BE A MAP, UH, ACCOMPANYING THIS, UM, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE EFFECTIVELY THE CITY, UH, THE PORTION OF THE CITY SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.
SO ANY STRUCTURE THAT MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE PROGRAM SOUTH OF CHAMBERSBURG WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR USE OF THESE FUNDS.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON, UM, EXCUSE ME.
AND SO, UH, OUR GIS PERSON JUST HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO, UH, TO GET TO THAT PARTICULAR MAP, WHICH IS WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THEN THAT'S GOING TO CATCH COUNSELOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, PATRICIA? THANK YOU.
UM, BRIAN, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, STACKING KNEES, UH, UH, THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH THE CDBG FUNDING.
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SOME OF THOSE GRANT APPLICATIONS FIND PRINT, PROHIBITS STACKING.UM, DO WE KNOW, UH, I HAVE WE READ THROUGH THE FINE PRINT ON THIS ONE? UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CDBG RELATED OR NOT, UM, THAT WE COULD NOT STACK, UM, A GRANT, ANOTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A RESTRICTION THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM DOING THAT.
UH, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, UM, THERE ISN'T ONE.
SO IF WE DO COME ACROSS, WHEN THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED THE BROADER TARGET AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US, IF WE COME ACROSS THIS PARTICULAR, UH, IF WE COME ACROSS THIS, UH, PROVISION AND A LATER DATE, UH, AND IT'S NOT MUCH, BUT MARION MEADOWS WOULD QUALIFY, WE COULD USE THIS TO TAKE CARE OF SOME ISSUES THERE, OR MAYBE TO, UH, TO HANDLE SOME OTHER EXPENSES.
WE MIGHT OCCUR WITH, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT ON A, A FUTURE ACQUISITION.
SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A DECLARED PROJECT UNTIL NOVEMBER.
IF I REMEMBER THE TIMEFRAME, RIGHT.
I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE HAVE TO COMMIT.
SO IF WE DO COME ACROSS THAT PROVISION, WE, WE DO, WE STILL DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THIS MONEY.
YEAH, YOU KIND OF TOOK MY SECOND POINT.
THERE WAS LOOKING AT A POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY THERE AT MARION MEADOWS, UM, TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND YOU TOUCHED BASE ON THAT.
UM, SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THIS, UM, UH, IT'D BE A TOTAL OF $71,000 OVER THE TWO YEARS OF BROKE UP IN TO PRETTY MUCH TO $35,000 SEGMENT TO MY CORRECT.
HER BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROGRAM.
NOW HOW, HOW WILL THIS AFFECT SOME OF THE HARDER, HARDER HIT AREAS, UM, IN, UH, IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY THAT WERE AFFECTED BY THE TORNADOES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? ARE THEY GETTING A BIGGER PIECE OF THIS OR IS THIS DEBBIE DOUBT EQUALLY NOW? IT'S BASED ON, UM, THE DISTRIBUTION ALLOCATION ISN'T BASED ON, UM, INFORMATION RELATED TO, UH, LIKE THE TORNADOES, THE KIND OF DAMAGE IT'S, UH, RELATED TO, UH, HERE TO US.
UM, IT IS RELATED TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE WITHIN EACH JURISDICTION AND THEN THE PROPORTION OF THOSE HOUSING UNITS, UM, THAT ARE VACANT, UH, BASED ON, UH, CENSUS DATA INFORMATION.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE MORE HOUSING AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE MONEY, SO, UM, AND WE'VE GOT A DISTRIBUTION FORMULA HERE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE LAND BANK.
SO, UM, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, UH, CITY OF DAYTON, YOU KNOW, MR. NET WINTER AS THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO LARGE, BUT THAT'S HOW THE FORMULA WAS DETERMINED.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I SEE YOUR HAND RAISED? OH YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YEAH, I, WE PRETTY CERTAIN WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS.
ARE WE JUST PUTTING IN AN APPLICATION FOR IT? UH, WE HAD TO PUT IT, UM, YOU WE'RE QUITE CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THIS.
IT WAS EITHER OPT IN AND PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM OR STAY OUT AND YOUR SHARE WOULD BE REDISTRIBUTED AMONGST THOSE WHO WERE IN.
I JUST FORGOT TO TAKE MY HAND DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN REGARDING THE STIMULATION PROGRAM.
CHAD OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY, CARRYING ON THAT'S WHERE THAT THAT'LL GO.
[ Carriage Trails – Approved Special Assessments Amendment]
THREE, WHICH IS THE CARRIAGE TRAILS APPROVED SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AMENDMENT.BACK IN 2017, WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR AS YOU KNOW, AS THEY FINISHED DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND PHASES.
UH, SOME THINGS CHANGE REGARDING WHERE THE FINAL BUILD-OUT GOES, UH, WHEN THEY RUN INTO DRAINAGE ISSUES, WHATEVER IT MIGHT HAVE.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT SOMETIMES OCCURS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
THERE ARE, UM, NINE REMAINING ASSESSMENTS, UH, ON AN ALREADY APPROVED AREA THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE INTO ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT AREA.
LET ME SHARE, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT BY NOW.
SO THIS IS, UM, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET, HONEY, HONEY LOCUS.
SO THIS IS HONEY LOCUST RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE THE CIRCLED CURRENTLY APPROVED LATS AND ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE NOT GOING
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TO BE, UH, NEEDED, BUT WANT TO BE MOVED AND APPLIED, UH, UPON FINAL BUILD OUT TO THESE LOTS HERE, UH, ON HONEY LOCUST.SO THE RESOLUTION THAT IS ATTACHED IS, UM, IS PRETTY MUCH A MIRROR OF WHAT WE DID BEFORE REGARDING A SIMILAR SITUATION.
SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, NOT ANY NEW ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENTS.
UH, THE SAME AMOUNT WAS APPROVED.
UH, JUST MOVING FROM THOSE LOTS TO THAT.
SO WE ASK THAT THE RESOLUTION BE CONSIDERED MONDAY, UH, TO REASSIGN THOSE ASSESSMENTS TO THOSE PARTICULAR LOTS.
AND, UH, IN THAT SECTION SIX, GOOD THINGS ARE UP.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT IS OKAY.
AND READING THROUGH THIS, I COULDN'T REALLY GET CLARITY, BUT THESE, AND I KNOW YOU JUST HIT, HIT US WITH THAT.
THESE ARE LOTS THAT I'M THE, THE, THE BUILD OUT WAS, WAS RECONFIGURED.
THESE WERE JUST SHUFFLED AROUND WITHIN THE SAME AREA THAT WAS ALREADY DESIGNATED BEFORE.
JUST, YES, WE APPROVED X AMOUNT OF ASSESSMENTS AND X AMOUNT OF LOTS.
NOW WE'RE TAKING THE ASSESSMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED FROM THOSE LOTS AND APPLYING THEM TO THE LOTS ON HONEY LOCUST, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THAT BUILD OUT OF THOSE LOTS.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE EXACT, UM, SITUATION WITH THE EXISTING ONES ARE, OR NOT REGARDING A RECONFIGURATION, A CHANGE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY RUN INTO POTENTIAL DRAINAGE ISSUES ON LOTS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
I, UH, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.
I'M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT IS.
UH, THEY'RE ALREADY APPROVED PETITIONED ASSESSMENTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER BEING DECK IS JUST ASKING TO RELOCATE THOSE AND REASSIGN, UH, THOSE LOT NUMBERS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ASSESSMENTS.
SO IT WAS WITHIN THE SAME ASSESSED AREA FROM PRIOR.
THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE, ARE ALREADY, UH, IN AN APPROVED SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT.
UM, ALL NINE OF THEM ARE, THESE ARE NOT NINE NEW ASSESSMENTS, NOT NINE NEW, IT'S JUST A MOVEMENT OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THAT SECTION NOW RATHER THAN LATER, ACTUALLY I THINK IS WHAT THE SITUATION, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
SO, UM, UM, BECAUSE OF MAYBE THE WAY THAT THEY'RE SELLING, MAYBE THOSE ARE LOTS THAT THEY WANTED TO SELL.
SO, BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST MOVING THOSE ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED ON THE BOOKS AND RATHER THAN LETTING THOSE GO, THEY'RE MOVING THOSE TO, UH, UH, TO THE NINE LOTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ON HONEY LOCUST.
THANK YOU, MR. MCCALSKY JEFF, SOMETHING TO ADD, PLEASE.
THERE IS JUST, SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THOUGH, IT'S THE SANITARY SEWER, THERE'S A LINE THAT GOES IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A HIGH POINT IN THE GROUND.
SO THEY, IT THERE'D BE A LOT OF OFFSITE SANITARY THAT THEY WOULD BE TO DO FOR SOME OF THOSE OLDER ONES.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SWITCHING TO THE OTHER SIDE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS SCOTT.
OR EITHER ROB OR SCOTT REGARDING, UH, AN AMENDMENT.
HEARING NONE, ANY OBJECTIONS AND MOVE THAT ONTO MONDAY.
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PICKS UP AS I AM THREE J, WHICH IS A VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT.UH, SO I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
SO I GUESS IT WAS, UM, UH, ONE OF THE RECENT DEPUTY MEETINGS, UH, ROBIN PUT ON, UH, UH, A SMALL PRESENTATION OR A PDF, I GUESS, OR A POWERPOINT OF, UH, WHAT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL, UH, DIAGRAMS OR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS BACK LAST AUGUST.
THEY WOULD PASS ALL THE NECESSARY LEGISLATION SPECIFIC TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A BUDGET, BUT WHETHER IT WAS SOME BACK OF NAPKIN NUMBERS OR JUST SOME ESTIMATES BASED ON WHAT MR. SCHUMER'S CONVERSATIONS WERE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTS, UH, I BELIEVE IN THAT POWERPOINT, THAT WAS A MILLION ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS LISTED.
SO, UH, WE ADDED THAT NUMBER TO THIS.
UH, HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T COST THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE PASSED THIS RESOLUTION LONG ENOUGH AGO, WHERE, UH, IT'S TIME THAT WE ACTUALLY START MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AND WE'RE GETTING SOME BID PROPOSALS ON THIS.
SO, UH, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT THIS ITEM IS BACK ON THE AGENDA.
UH, AGAIN, I BELIEVE ALL THE RESOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN PASSED PREVIOUSLY.
WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT ATTACHED
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TO IT, BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY WORTH THE DISCUSSION AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING AND WE'RE ON TOP.AND WE ACTUALLY STARTED GETTING SOME PROPOSALS BACK TO WHERE WE CAN REALLY START ALIGNING WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COST AND IN A TIMEFRAME OF, UH, OF NARROWING DOWN THE ACTUAL BUILD OUT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL EITHER ASK, UH, ROB, IS THERE ANY THING THAT YOU'D WANT TO ADD AND THEN WE COULD OPEN UP FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS FOR MAYOR TO COUNSELOR? NOPE.
I THINK YOU SUMMARIZED WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS PUT IN THERE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION FROM, UH, FROM COUNCIL? YES.
UM, I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY I AM, HOWEVER, I'M CONCERNED WITH X NUMBER OF A MILLION DOLLAR THING BEING PUT OUT RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND I HAVE TO ASK, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION IN THE PAST THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND AT THE MILITARY VETERANS COMMISSION MEETINGS OF, UM, UM, FUNDING FOR THIS, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, DONATIONS AND, UH, AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? I KNOW THERE WAS EVEN MENTIONED A SPECIFIC CITY FUND FOR THIS, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING DONATIONS INTO.
WHERE DO WE SIT ON ANY OTHER FUNDING? HAVE WE RECEIVED ANYTHING? HAVE WE GONE OUT LOOKING FOR, UM, WHERE ARE WE AT? UH, IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO FUND THIS PROJECT AT LEAST PARTIALLY THROUGH AS MUCH DONATION AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS TIME NOW WHEN WE'RE KIND OF, I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S TIGHT ON MONEY, BUT, UH, WHERE ARE WE AT ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, DONATIONS, WHATNOT, THIS IS A BIG NUMBER TO BE THROWN OUT, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO DO IT IN PHASES AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A FULL NUMBER FOR A FULL PROJECT.
SO, SO I THINK, UM, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR, FOR BIG NUMBER BASED ON, UM, BASED ON THE, I FORGET THE PICTURE OF THE DRAWINGS DIAGRAMS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE GOT SO FAR.
SO I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO DONATIONS, I MEAN, I KNOW IN JUST ABOUT EVERY PROJECT BEFORE SOMEBODY STARTS HANDING OVER MONEY, THEY NEED TO KNOW AND SEE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY HANDING OVER THEIR MONEY TO BUILD.
SO I THINK THE, UH, THE, THE RESOLUTION TO, TO BUILD THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED LAST AUGUST.
SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, UH, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD.
THIS IS MY ATTEMPT, AND I WOULD HOPE THE REST OF COUNCIL'S WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF THIS, THAT THE PROJECT IS, IS MOVING FORWARD.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, SOME PROPOSALS BACK WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, TO START DETERMINING.
SO I, THE REASON I ADDED THE MONEY TO THIS WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION PRIOR TO NOW, I'VE SPOKEN TO ROB, THAT'S NOT A SPECIFIC BUDGET.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IDEA, BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND THIS IS, UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT.
BUT I WOULD GO BACK AND SAY THAT, I THINK BEFORE, BEFORE YOU START SOLICITING DONATIONS, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT MY PERSONAL OPINION IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY MONEY REALIZED TOWARD THE PROJECT UNTIL SOMEBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT IS, THEIR MONEY IS GOING WELL.
AND ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN, WE'VE HAD PRIOR PROJECTS, THE SIGN AT TOM CLOUD, THE DOG PARK, WHERE WE HAD SAME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DONATION AND OUTSIDE FUNDING.
UM, BUT TRUTH BE TOLD ONCE WE FUNDED IT, NOBODY'S GOING TO STEP UP TO MAKE DONATIONS ONCE WE'VE ALREADY PUT OUR MONEY IN.
UM, WELL, I DON'T THINK I SAID THAT.
I THINK I SAID, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PROPOSALS AND ACTUALLY SEE THE REAL PROJECT AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE WE START ACTUALLY SOLICITING REAL BIDS.
SO AGREED RIGHT FROM THAT PROCESS FROM, FROM THAT, UH, I WASN'T SUGGESTING WE JUST GO BUILD THIS, THEN, THEN GO LOOK FOR FUNDING.
UM, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN THAT, THAT THE DOLLAR FIGURE WAS THROWN IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND IT JUST, IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO SET A MILLION DOLLARS ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET A DESIGN TOGETHER.
FIRST FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE DESIGN IS GOING TO BE.
WE CAN LOOK FOR THAT OUTSIDE FUNDING, POSSIBLY, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT VENUES, BE IT SPONSORSHIPS OR DONATIONS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
YEAH, I THINK SO IN LOOKING AT THIS SINCE WE'VE ALREADY, SO THIS, THIS WOULD BE NO NEW LEGISLATION.
THIS WILL BE NOTHING THAT WE'RE MOVING ON UNTIL, UH, TO MONDAY'S MEETING WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED LEGISLATION TO ALLOW FOR EVERYTHING.
THIS IS BRINGING BACK OUT THAT DISCUSSION.
AND THE REASON THAT I ADDED THE MONEY ON THERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SAW IN THE PRESENTATION LAST LAST TIME.
SO THIS IS AGAIN, NO MORE THAN MY ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THIS PROJECT IS IN THE FOREFRONT OF, OF ALL OF OUR MINDS MOVING FORWARD,
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THAT WE ACTUALLY TURN THIS INTO A, INTO A REAL PROJECT.SO IF THE, IF THE RESOLUTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF, I'M TOTALLY IN, I JUST, AGAIN, THE NUMBER, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES, I MEAN, STUNG OFF ON NEW PROJECTS WITH LARGE FIGURES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, SOMETHING I BELIEVE WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO MOVE ON, WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
UM, IT JUST, THE TIMING IS KIND OF TOUGH RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'RE MISSING STEPS BEFORE WE GET TO THE DOLLARS.
MA'AM, I'M NOT PROPOSING TONIGHT THAT WE ADD A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE BUDGET FOR MONDAY.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND THE REASON I ASK IS IT ACTUALLY SHOWED A MILLION DOLLAR COST ON HERE.
THAT'S WHY I HAD TO ASK YES, MR. CAMPBELL.
UH, MY OPINION IS WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
WE PASSED A LEGISLATION IN AUGUST.
I KNOW THAT STAFF AND THE COMMITTEE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THE PROJECT.
I THINK THAT'S POTENTIALLY, UM, AS YOU INDICATED, I THINK BACK OF THE NAPKIN, UH, ENABLED, UH, THAT GROUP TO SAY A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, I THINK IT'S TIME NOW TO SAY OUT COMPLETE THE DRAWINGS, THE NECESSARY, UH, ENGINEERING WORK AND GO OUT FOR BID AND FIND OUT WHAT, IN FACT IT DOES COST.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD EXPEDITE MOVING FORWARD, UH, TO BRING BACK TO THE CITIZENS A COST ESTIMATE IN SOME BIDS.
SO I'M, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
THANKS, MR. MCDONALD, AND THEN MR. WET, UH, YEAH.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT WE NEED THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION FROM AUGUST PRETTY MUCH AUTHORIZES EVERYTHING ALREADY.
I MEAN, THIS WAS MORE OF A KEGGING, AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BUDGET GOING TO BE THE HIGH END TYPE OF THING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS, I THINK THE TERM WAS BACK OF A PAPER NAPKIN TYPE OF NUMBERS AND SUCH LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, THE LEGISLATION THAT'S IN PLACE IS TO TAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ACTION FOR THE DESIGN AND PLACEMENT OF THE MEMORIAL.
SO I, I THINK IT'S ALREADY AUTHORIZED, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED FURTHER AUTHORIZATION.
WEB, UH, THANK YOU, MIRROR, UH, FACT, UH, JERRY, JUST A STATE OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO STATE THAT, UM, AND I WILL ALSO, UH, PIGGYBACK STIR CAMPBELL'S, UH, COMMENTS.
AND THAT IS, I DO FEEL THAT THE PROPER THING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS MOVE FORWARD.
UH, GET THIS THING ROLLING, GET THE, UM, UH, COSTS BACK.
UM, SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN A QUICK QUESTION FOR JIM BELL, JIM, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT DONATIONS.
SO, UH, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE BUDGET IS A MILLION DOLLARS, UM, DONATIONS COMING IN, UM, UH, MONEY GOING OUT, ISN'T THAT ALL OUT OF THE SAME MULTI, THAT ALL BE, UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT IN AS DONATIONS WOULD NOT GO INTO GENERAL FUND, UM, TO BE PUT TOWARDS THAT, WHATEVER THE EXPENDITURES ARE.
I ACTUALLY, UH, AT ROB'S URGING, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, I SET UP A SPECIAL BANK ACCOUNT TO ALLOW FOR ANY DONATIONS THAT ANYONE WOULD WANT TO MAKE.
SO THAT'S ALREADY SET UP AND READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY DONATIONS, UH, TO DATE, UH, BUT IT IS READY TO GO.
AND, UH, WE COULD, UH, BRING THOSE IN, UH, IN THE GENERAL FUND AND HOLD THEM IN THAT BANK ACCOUNT UNTIL IT'S DECIDED, UH, HOW BEST, WHETHER WE SET UP A SPECIAL FUND JUST FOR THIS, OR SET IT UP AS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UH, MOVE IT OVER TO THE, THE ACCOUNT IMPROVEMENT FUND.
SO AS WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PROJECTS, UM, SO I KNOW WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANTED TO WANT TO COUNCIL IT AND KNOW THAT BANK ACCOUNT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR ANY DONATIONS THAT WANT TO BE MADE.
AND JIM, THERE ARE, IS A PROJECT AND JIM, THERE ALREADY IS A PROJECT SET FOR THE, UH, VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT, UM, UH, WHICH I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A, UM, ALMOST $9,000 IN THAT, SO, OH, WOW.
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UM, HAS THE DESIGN THAT WE SAW A CONCEPT OF, HAS THAT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION FOR THEM TO, TO LOOK AT AND, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? OF COURSE.WELL, I DIDN'T DOUBT YOU HAD TO ASK THE QUESTION.
ARE THEY READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL? UH, OF, OF COURSE THAT IS THE, UH, UM, THEY WERE TASKED WITH HAVING A WORKING GROUP AND AS MY, UH, UPDATE AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR THAT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'VE BEEN A FEW CHANGES.
UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, ONE OF THE MEMBERS THAT WAS A KEY FACILITATOR IN, UH, NOT ONLY THE FUNDRAISING SIDE AND OUTREACH, UH, BUT ALSO, UH, WITH WORKING WITH SOME OF THE DESIGN, UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY HE PASSED, UH, AND THERE WAS SOME RECONCILIATION OF ALL THAT.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, THERE WAS A, THE OBVIOUS, SLOW DOWN WITH WORKING WITH SOME OF THE GROUPS WITH, UM, UH, OFFICES BEING CLOSED DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
AND AS WE REGROUPED AND GOT BACK TOGETHER, THE, UH, THE WORKING GROUP ITSELF, UH, WANTED TO LIMIT THEIR, UH, IN, IN PERSON MEETINGS AND GATHERING OF STUFF, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, PANDEMIC, UH, ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.
BUT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT BACK TOGETHER, UH, ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS REMOTELY, UM, THEY ARE, OF COURSE BEHIND THIS, THAT'S THE RESULT OF THE, UM, DRAFT, UH, RENDERING THAT YOU SAW WAS AS A RESULT OF WHAT THE GROUP HAS COME TOGETHER AND PRESENTED AS THE, UH, AS THE PROJECT.
SO, UH, ABSOLUTELY THEY ARE A THEY'RE BEHIND IT.
AND, UM, AND AS WE STATED BEFORE, THE, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD AND TAKING INITIAL ACTIONS FOR THAT BUDGET OR FOR THAT PROJECT AND PLANNING, UH, AND IDENTIFYING THE, UM, THE REST OF THE FUNDING FOR IT.
SO, SO DOES THE DESIGN COME TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL OR IS IT READY TO SEND OUT WITH RFPS OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? I MEAN, WHAT'S LEFT TO DO IN THE DESIGN PHASE.
UH, NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC DESIRED MATERIALS, ET CETERA, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE ARE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, LIKE IF YOU SAY, WELL, THIS WOULD BE A, UM, AN AGGREGATE TYPE OF STRUCTURE OR A ROCK OR SOME SORT OF HARD STONE IDENTIFYING WHAT KIND AND WHAT WOULD BE BEST IN DOING ALL THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, THE NEXT THING IS, IS ARTICULATING THE ACTUAL CONCEPT INTO THE ACTUAL DESIGN, INCLUDING MATERIALS, ESTIMATED, UM, AMOUNT OF MATERIALS NEEDED, ET CETERA, TO START TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL COSTS, PACKAGED THAT UP INTO, UH, SENDING OUT TO RECEIVE, UH, QUOTES AND BIDS FOR.
SO HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU THINK WE NEED FOR THAT? UH, IT WOULD BE RELATIVE TO WHAT THE ARCHITECT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT THINGS ARE BACK IN FULL SWING AT THEIR FIRM, UH, AND OUR LAST CHECK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO PRIOR TO MY UPDATE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, I WOULD ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, DARE I SAY, WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO GET A BID PACKET PUT TOGETHER, UM, AND, UH, AND OUT TO GO, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT OR NOT WOULD BE, I GUESS, DECIDED LATER, WELL, OKAY.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FOLLOW THROUGH, SO I WOULD BE THE FUNDING.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT FUNDING AND, UH, IF IT'S, UM, IF IT IS, OR IF IT ISN'T, IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE COME TOGETHER WITH A BID PACKET IN A COST, AND I GUESS A DECISION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE AS TO WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY IS WHAT I MEANT.
UM, I THINK THIS RESOLUTION, UH, SETS OUT A STANDARD, UH, FOR A SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND ABOUT HOW BIG AND HOW NICE WE WANT TO HAVE IT IN OUR CITY.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT SUPPORTING THIS ON MONDAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO I GUESS IT WOULD LOOK SO, SO JERRY, YOU HAD HAD, UM, A
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COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT THE LEGISLATION FOR MONDAY.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON HOW MR. LYONS TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THEN THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WE COULD, WE COULD PUT FORWARD AS ADDED TO, UH, THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED LAST AUGUST.
AND AGAIN, MY INTENT IS TO TURN THIS TO A REAL PROJECT AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING REAL SOLID BIDS ON MOVING FORWARD IN A, IN A, IN A QUICKER FASHION.
NOW THAT THINGS ARE AT LEAST FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE, UH, SETTLED BACK DOWN THE FIRMS IN FULL FORCE AND MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK THIS RESOLUTION BASICALLY BUILDS ON THE PRIOR ONE PRIOR ONE WAS TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
NOW THAT WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE MOVED TO FORD, WE'VE HAVE SOME CONCEPTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO ESTABLISH THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WILL BE NOW, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY GOING OUT FOR BIDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF, OF, OF, OF A BUDGET IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT I WOULD ASSUME AGAIN, WE'D BE GOING OUT TO BIDS, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS DOES NOT HURT ANYTHING.
I THINK THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, JUST TO FOLLOW BACK AT THE REASON THIS IS AN AGENDA LINE ITEM.
THIS IS LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL, I GUESS, UNANIMOUSLY, BUT IT WAS TO BUILD THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
I THINK WE SELECTED A SITE, HAD A COMMITTEE, UH, ROB WAS WORKING WITH THAT COMMITTEE AND ONE OF THE FUNDING SOURCES POTENTIALLY, I THOUGHT IN ROB, WOULD YOU SPEAK TO, THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PROJECT, A CONDO PROJECT.
I THINK THE BUILDER WAS RYAN HOLMES.
AND IF THAT PROJECT WAS TIFFT, IT WAS GOING TO RAISE THE NECESSARY CAPITAL, UH, TO DO THE PROJECT, UH, JERRY TO YOU, UH, I THINK WHAT WAS PASSED WOULD AT LEAST PROVIDE STAFF IN THE COMMITTEE, UM, ENOUGH LEVERAGE TO BRING BACK, UH, DESIGN, UH, QUOTES AND, AND GET THE PROJECT TEED UP WHERE IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL NECESSARY APPROVAL, WE, WE COULD DO THAT FROM THAT STAGE ON ROB, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE, UH, FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT I BROUGHT UP ABOUT A CONDO DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, UM, UH, WHEN WE GOT WORD OF THE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE CALLING IT, THE HEATHER MERE TO, OR, UM, WHAT THE ACTUAL PROJECT OR PLANT NAME WOULD BE.
UH, BUT THE RYAN HOME MULTI CONNECTED TOWNHOME PROJECT THAT WOULD BE OFF OF BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD AT HEATHER MERE THEY'RE IN THE, UH, IN THE WOODED AREA, UM, THAT IS, UM, STILL UNDER DESIGN AND FINALIZATION, UH, UPON THE INITIAL ESTIMATES OF THE VALUE OF THE PROJECTED VALUE OF THE HOMES.
WE DID A BRIEF CALCULATION AND IF WE WERE TO, UM, ESTABLISH A RESIDENTIAL PROVEMENT DISTRICT AND APPLY THE PROJECT BEING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO AMENITIES, UH, ADJACENT TO THAT DISTRICT BEING THOMAS CLOUD PARK, UH, BEING ABLE TO FUND THE, UM, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL FROM THE ANTICIPATED REVENUE GENERATED THROUGH THE ESTABLISHED TIF OR OUR ID IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO YES, FROM THE ONSET OF THAT PROJECT, UH, TIMING COINCIDED WELL AND GAVE US THE ABILITY TO, UH, POTENTIALLY DEDICATE THAT AND RETURN THAT INVESTMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT BACK OUT TO ANOTHER, UH, REGIONAL AMENITY AND IMPROVEMENT TO, UH, TO OUR PARKS FOR THE BENEFIT OF NOT JUST THAT TIF DISTRICT, BUT THE, UH, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN GERI.
UH, THE QUESTION I POSE TOWARDS YOU IN REGARDS TO WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY MOVING FORWARD, UH, MAYBE IN DESIGN WORK IN, IN GETTING BIDS AND QUOTES FROM BUILDERS IS, IS THAT MAY BE A DIRECTION THAT WE CAN TAKE FROM THIS POINT MOVING FORWARD.
YES, YES, IT IS MARK YOU, UH, YOU HIT THE MUTE BUTTON, I'M SORRY.
WASN'T THE REASON MAYOR, UH, PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA WAS TO MAKE SURE IN SHORT ORDER, WE WENT TO A RIBBON CUTTING AND UNVEILED THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL.
SO, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR GOAL TONIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT WHY THIS IS ON THE AGENDA? YES.
I WANTED TO DISCUSS IT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW THAT WE WERE STAYING ON TOP OF IT.
AND WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF GETTING BIDS.
SO WE KNEW HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO COST, SO WE COULD START
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A APPROPRIATE AND FUNDING.WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M AT.
AND I SUPPORT THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA IN LINE ANXIOUSLY.
UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WE CAN HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING, AND THEN THEY'LL THIS, UH, UH, AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, SO JUST SO HEARING WHAT I HEARD MR. MCDONALD, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THIS, UH, RESOLUTION AS IT IS FOR MONDAY'S MEETING.
AND THAT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS ALREADY PASSED, UH, BACK IN OCTOBER, BACK IN AUGUST OF 19.
UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION THAT WAS GOING TO COUNCIL WAS DONE, UM, AT THE MILITARY AND VETERANS COMMISSION.
DO WE KNOW WHAT DATE THAT OCCURRED? WE'D HAVE TO EITHER GO ROB OR SOMEONE FROM THE MILITARY DAB.
TONY, COULD YOU GIVE ME THAT DATA AFTER THE MEETING? MAYBE YOU CAN EMAIL IT TO ME.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE HEATHER MIRROR TWO PROJECT AND THE TIPS DISCUSSIONS.
UM, DO WE KNOW WHEN WE LEGISLATED THAT TIF, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN YET OBVIOUSLY.
AND AS I, AS I INDICATED, IT WOULD BE WHEN THE DISCUSSION OF THAT PROJECT.
AND I THINK I JUST INDICATED THAT PROJECT HAS NOT YET BEEN FINALIZED AND THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE FOR IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, AS WE WOULD, UH, THEN SEEK THAT AS A PROJECT TO CREATE THAT RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IN THAT AREA FOR THE BENEFIT OF NOT ONLY THAT DISTRICT, UH, BUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD HAVE VOTED ON THAT, BUT THAT HAS NOT THE PROJECTS, NOT EVEN HAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT YET.
UM, I KNOW ANOTHER QUESTION, UH, AMIR, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS LEGISLATION AND, UH, AND I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS ON WHY THIS WAS PUT HERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLEAN THE SLATE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE LEGISLATION ITSELF IS TO ESTABLISH IT AS A PROJECT AND TO GO OUT AND OBTAIN ACTUAL BIDS.
UM, SO WE CAN, AS MR. CAMPBELL STATED GET TO A RIBBON CUTTING SITUATION, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO MUDDY IT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, AND I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS OUT FOR A BIT AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A CONTRACTOR OR, OR, UM, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SEND THIS OUT TO, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTING ORGANIZATIONS, WHY WOULD WE ATTACH A DOLLAR AMOUNT, MR. MAYOR, MAY I SPEAK TO THAT? SURE.
UM, LIKE WHEN I GO TO SHOP FOR A CAR, I KINDA KNOW WHAT MY BUDGET IS, AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE A $50,000 PROJECT, THE ARCHITECT NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE THE SIZE OF SCOPE, THE MATERIALS THAT PLAYS INTO PART OF THEIR DESIGN.
WE PUT NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNTS ON JUST ABOUT EVERY TYPE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE DO.
SO IT'S TOTALLY WITHIN REASON.
AND, AND, AND TO THAT POINT, MR. MAYOR, I THINK WE SEE THAT MOST OF OUR ESTIMATES COME BACK PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT, NOT TO EXCEED.
UM, SO MY, I GUESS MY POINT WOULD BE INSTEAD OF OPENING OUR PURSE UP AND SHOWING WHAT WE HAVE, WHY DON'T WE GO OUT THERE WITHOUT A, NOT TO EXCEED AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF OFFER THAT WOULD BE? YEAH.
OR JERRY, YOU WANTED TO, BUT, UH, OUR PURCHASING ORDINANCES FOR FORMAL COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCEDURES ACTUALLY REQUIRE, AND WE WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND I DON'T DISAGREE.
UH, BUT, UH, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE AND THE ANSWER HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN, UM, THAT, UM, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS.
AND, AND, AND, AND ROB, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE, AND I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, IRON THAT OUT, I GUESS MY, UM, MY LAST POINT WOULD BE, I DO SUPPORT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT ITSELF.
UM, I'M ALL FOR GOING OUT AND DAN, WHAT TYPE OF BIDS THAT WE COME BACK WITH? UM, I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER, UM, THAN A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, I, I, I KNOW THAT A RECENT, UH, OR PREVIOUS ESTIMATES, UM, HAD BEEN PROVIDED YEARS AGO AT MUCH LOWER THAN THAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD WONDER A MAYOR IF MAYBE WE SHOULD SET POLICY.
I KNOW, UH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, AND THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN REALLY KEEN ON POLICY, UM,
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UH, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCEPTING DONATIONS AND SETTING A PROJECT, UM, DO WE HAVE AN ACTUAL POLICY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, HOW WE GO OUT AND SOLICIT FOR DONATIONS OR HOW WE ACCEPT THEM, IS THAT A POLICY THAT EXISTS OR WITHIN THE CITY FOR DONATIONS? UH, THE POLICY WOULD BE IN THE, UM, THE FINANCE AND PROCUREMENT, UM, ORDINANCES.AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT SOLICITING DONATIONS, UH, BUT FOR HOW DONATED FUNDS ARE HANDLED WOULD BE IN THE PURCHASING PROCEDURES, UH, THAT ARE AUDITED.
AND PART OF, UM, PART OF ALL THAT, THAT IS IN A REQUIRED BY THE OPEN, TRANSPARENT BOOKS OF THE, OF THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY.
WOULD THAT BE, IT'D BE VERY SIMILAR TO HOW WE TOOK DONATIONS FOR THE, LIKE, WHEN WE DID THE TORNADOES LAND AND THINGS LIKE DAMAGE TO THE MATCHING DONATIONS AND WE'VE, UH, THE CITY BY NATURE IS A FIVE, A ONE C THREE THAT ALLOWS FOR TAXABLE DONATIONS INTO, INTO CITY.
WOULD THAT BE SIMILAR? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROCEDURES ARE SET FORTH IN ALREADY EXISTING PIECES OF LEGISLATION.
UH, ONE OF COURSE BEING THE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE, UH, THE TAXABLE CODE FIVE OH ONE, BETSY, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT, WHICH DEFINES THAT.
AND WE ALSO ESTABLISHED ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, A RECEDING SYSTEM, ET CETERA, FOR, FOR THOSE INDICATING THAT, UM, THE RECEIPT OF THOSE DONATIONS, LIKE WHAT WE DID FOR THAT FUND AND WOULD DO FOR THIS FUND AS WELL.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS SOLICITING DONATIONS, NO, THERE'S NOT A PROCEDURE FOR THAT, THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THAT'S ALL I ON THIS TOPIC, MR. CAMPBELL.
I'D LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO RICHARD'S QUESTION, RICHARD, IN REGARD TO THE TIF QUESTION ON THE HEATHER MERE PROJECT.
CO COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS? OH YEAH.
MY, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, BECAUSE IN THE CONVERSATION IT HAD SOUNDED LIKE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY LEGISLATED A TIF FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND, UM, FOR THE FOLKS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, WATCHING THIS MEETING MAYBE TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE LEGISLATED AT THIS TIME.
AND IN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE SURROUNDING THAT ISSUE, UH, WAS ROB.
UH, AND I, I THINK YOU ACTUALLY EVEN BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION IF THAT WAS, UH, IF THAT DISTRICT WAS TIFFED RICHARD, DO YOU RECALL THAT? NO, I, I DON'T RECALL THAT.
AND THEN, UH, I ASKED AFTER YOUR QUESTION, COULD IT BE TIFFT AND I THINK ROB, YOUR ANSWER WAS YES.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HEATHER MERE, TOO.
SO RICHARD HAD ASKED, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT IT BEING TIFFT AND THEN I ASKED, COULD IT BE TIFFT AND THEN I THINK FROM THERE IS WHERE YOU ROB IDENTIFIED THE POTENTIAL OF TIFFING THAT IN YOU HAD ESTIMATED ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS OR SO YOU COULD GENERATE FROM THAT TIF, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE MEMORIAL, UH, HAD YOU GUYS DONE A BACK OF THE NAPKIN CALCULATION ON WHAT IT MIGHT COST? YEAH.
WE, WE DID, THAT WAS, UM, UM, PART OF, KIND OF THE, UH, THE WORKING GROUP.
AND ALONG WITH THE ARCHITECT TO JUST KIND OF SAY, THIS IS IN CONCEPT, WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.
AND WE IDENTIFIED AREAS, UH, THAT WE WILL NEED TO HAVE, UM, I IDENTIFIED FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES SITE WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STONE MONUMENTS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UH, AND THAT IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH, UH, REGARDING, REGARDING THAT.
AND AGAIN, TO SPEAK TO PREVIOUS ESTIMATES AND THINGS, THE, THE SCOPE AND THE NATURE OF THIS AMENITY MAKING FULL USE OF THE SITE THAT WAS SELECTED AND HAVING THAT, UM, MULTI-PHASE APPROACH TO MAKE IT NOT JUST A, UM, AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO DETRACT FROM THE VALUE OF ANY OTHER MONUMENTS IN THE AREA, UH, BUT HAVING JUST A TALLER DRIVE BY, BUT HAVING REALLY AN ATTRACTION OF FEATURE MUCH LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER AMENITIES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, BE A DRAW WHERE REGIONAL SCHOOLS WOULD BRING KIDS FOR FIELD TRIPS, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN EDUCATION COMPONENT, SOMETHING, UH, OF, UM, OF GRAND RECOGNITION AND HONORING OF, OF THOSE VETERANS, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE ENTIRE AND REGION COULD BE PROUD FOR.
SO, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRICE TAG OF THAT SCOPE AND DESIGN IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS CERTAINLY HIGHER THAN WHAT A MUCH MORE SMALLER, UM, YOU KNOW, ROADSIDE TYPE OF SITUATION
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COULD BE.BUT, UH, UH, THAT WAS WHAT WAS THOUGHT UP IN DESIGN THROUGH THE COMMISSION, UH, REGARDING WHAT THEIR VISION WAS.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE END RESULT.
SO ALTHOUGH NOT A BUDGET CALL BACK OF THE NAPKIN, UM, I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCURATE THAN BACK OF THE NAPKIN BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURE'S EXPERIENCE, UH, REGARDING SOME OF THAT STUFF.
BUT WHEN WE GET INTO SITE WORK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS AND THINGS, I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE CAN VALUE ENGINEER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, COME BACK WITH A, WITH A GOOD VALUE IN, IN, IN ROB, IN REGARD TO THE HEATHER MERE, TOO, AS YOU DESCRIBED IT, A TIF, UH, THE NUMBERS GENERATED FROM THAT TIF WOULD HAVE, UH, BEEN A NON-SCHOOL TIF, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WE USE THE SAME MODEL THAT WAS IN THE LEXINGTON.
IN FACT, I USED THE SAME SPREADSHEET TO PLUG THE NUMBERS IN BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE COST OF THE PROJECTED SALES COST OF THOSE UNITS.
AND THEN THAT GENERATES THE OVERALL POTENTIAL
AND THEN THE, THE MONIES THAT WE WOULD CAPTURE ON THE IMPROVED VALUE WOULD BE MONIES THAT TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE STAYED DOWN AT THE COUNTY, BUT IN THE TIF LANGUAGE, THE MONIES WOULD SEND BACK HOME TO US.
JUST LIKE A, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN LEXTON PLACE.
IT'S A NON-SCHOOL, UM, WE DIDN'T EVEN FACTOR IN THE POTENTIAL THAT WE JUST USE THE EXACT SAME FORMULA FOR THE ESTIMATE IN, IN, IN DESCRIBING, UH, HOW THE NUMBERS WERE COME UP WITH, YOU'VE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH WHAT ARCHITECTS.
AND THEY'VE HELPED YOU ESTIMATE WHAT IT IS THE COMMITTEE IN YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
AND ACTUALLY EARLY ON, UM, HAD SOMEBODY VOLUNTEER THEIR SERVICES, UH, AS, AS WE KNOW, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER PROJECTS, KEN CONAWAY, UH, HE'S A VETERAN HIMSELF HE'S VERY PASSIONATE AND EXCITED.
AND WHEN YOU HEARD OF THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, HE WANTED TO, UH, TO VOLUNTEERS, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, UH, SERVICES, UH, AND I THINK WITH HIS BREADTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTING THINGS, I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A VALUABLE ASSET, UH, AND A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT WILL HELP ASSIST US, UH, IN ENGAGING AND TAKING THIS PROJECT FURTHER.
COUNCILMAN CAMPBELL ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A, A GOOD POINT AND IT HAD ME THINKING ABOUT A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THAT, UM, UH, THAT I HAD BROUGHT THE COUNCIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY AT SUCH AS TIFF, UM, I BELIEVE FRANKLIN COUNTY HAD, UH, DID A SIMILAR IDEA, BUT INSTEAD OF A TIFF, IT WAS MORE OF AN ENTERTAINMENT AND A, UM, PARKING BEAUTIFICATION ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND THIS WAS NOT A ASSESSMENT OR LEVY ON TAXPAYERS, BUT IT WAS MORE OF THAT ASSESSMENT.
WHEN A HOMEOWNER COMES IN AND BUILDS A NEW HOME, UM, THEY, THEY ARE PROVIDED A CERTAIN FEE TO KEEP UP THE COMMUNITY'S BEAUTIFICATION.
UH, WHEN, UH, I TAKE IT'S OUR SODA SOLD AT NATIONWIDE ARENA OR TO A LOCAL POOL, UM, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE POLICY DISCUSSION THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP BEFORE, UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN THREE METRO, UH, MAJOR, UM, COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF OHIO THAT HAS TOOK PART OF THIS, UM, UH, PROVISION AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REPAIR AND MAINTAIN A LOT OF, UH, ASSETS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES, UM, WITHOUT DOING ANY TYPE OF TAX, UH, DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THEIR COUNTY OR THEIR CITY.
I WONDER IF THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION, MS. CAMPBELL, BECAUSE I, LISTEN, THIS IS NOT ONLY AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE COULD FUND AND BUILD THE VETERAN'S PARK, WHERE WE COULD LOOK AT MAINTAINING OUR PARKS AS A WHOLE AND NOT DOING IT ON THE BACK OF TAXPAYERS MAYOR.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA, RICHARD, I THINK YOU AND I HAVE TOUCHED ON AT LEAST THAT IN THEORY.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT AND LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
MY QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID SPECIFIC TO A NEW HOME BUILD.
SO, SO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE JUST BE NEW HOMEOWNERS, NEW BUILDERS, NEW RESIDENTS INTO THE CITY THAT WOULD BE FUNDING THAT OR, OR EVERYBODY.
WELL, AGAIN, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT MANY COUNTIES AND CITIES USE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LEGISLATION WAS PASSED WITHIN THE STATE OF OHIO.
I WANT TO SAY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, UM, GAVE A LOT OF, UM, UH, HOME RULE TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO ENACT THAT PROVISION.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DUST THAT INFORMATION OFF.
I THINK I STILL HAVE A FILE SAVED ON THAT.
AND, UM, AND, UM, AND MAYBE MOVE FORWARD ON IT, I'LL SEE THAT WOULD NOT ONLY TOUCH THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, BUT ALSO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER UPGRADES WITHIN
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OUR PARKS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE HISTORICAL ITEMS AS WELL.I'M I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN YOU MENTIONED ANY, ANY NEW HOME THAT WAS BUILT, THAT JUST DIDN'T SEEM EQUITABLE TO ME WHERE ONLY NEW PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE CITY THAT BUILD A HOME WOULD BE ASSESSED SOME TYPE OF A FEE TO PAY FOR THE PARKS WHEN THEY'RE REALLY BEING USED BY, BY EVERYONE.
AND THAT WAS JUST A BRIEF EXAMPLE THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES THAT I CAN PROVIDE MRS. BERG.
AND I MISS MR. CAMPBELL AGAIN.
UM, YES, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE IN MY MIND, UM, HOW THIS ASSESSMENT ON NEW HOME BUILDERS, ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND IS DONE IN CARRIAGE TRAILS, WHICH THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO BY MEMBERS OF OUR COUNCIL.
I'D HAVE TO SEE THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF THE PARTICULAR, UM, TYPE OF POLICY THAT, UH, THAT RICHARD IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE.
UH, BUT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SUPPORT AND THEIR SUPPORT, WE WOULD, UH, LOOK AT ANY TYPE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE.
I, I, MY CONCERN IS JUST THAT IT'S EQUITY AMONGST EVERYBODY.
A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT JUST THE CONCEPT OF A, OF A ASSESSMENT ON, UH, ON SOMEBODY BUYING A HOUSE FOR ANY REASON, FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE OPPOSITION THAT WE FACED OVER THE YEARS IN DOING IT AT CARRIES TRAILS.
UH, RICHARD, I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I THINK RICHARD'S POSITION AND COMMENTS ABOUT FINDING OTHER WAYS TO FUND THINGS OTHER THAN ON THE BACKS OF OUR TAXPAYERS IS THE POINT IN, IN RICHARD.
AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD INCLUDE ME ON THAT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THAT FURTHER AS A COUNCIL.
I KNOW THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UM, UH, I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN I PRESENTED THIS, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
UH, I'M PUTTING THAT INFORMATION BACK OUT.
UM, I CAN SEND THAT INFORMATION OVER TO JERRY AND ROB TO HAVE A FURTHER REVIEW, AND THEN WE CAN DO A WORK SESSION PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A SOLID POLICY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, TO SET FORTH TO A, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PARK AND HISTORICAL ITEMS, UM, TO MAINTAIN, UM, AND REVITALIZE.
UM, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M TAKING MY CUE FROM, UH, FROM BRIAN WHO SAID BACK IN APRIL, THAT WE GOTTA START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OUTSIDE THE BOX ITEMS. MR. WEBB, THANK YOUR MIRROR.
UM, RICHARD, I WOULD JUST ASK, UM, WHEN YOU SEND THAT INFORMATION TO, UH, ROB AND STAFF, IF YOU WOULD, UM, INCLUDE THE REST OF COUNCIL ON THAT HOT COLLEGE, GONNA READ AHEAD ON THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
SO, UH, ROB,
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR, UH, OKAY.
SO, UH, SO CERTAINLY BACK ON THIS, SO FROM, FROM RESOLUTION, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK WE, UH, WHEN WE SAW THE, UH, THERE'S SOME DONE, I BELIEVE MRS. BERG HAD DONE A PRESENTATION, WE WOULD, WE'VE ALL BEEN AROUND.
WE'VE SEEN WHAT SOME, SOME OTHER MEMORIALS LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL OR ANYONE IN THIS CITY WHO DIDN'T THINK THAT WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, I HATE TO USE EVEN USE THE TERM BIGGER AND BETTER, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY STAND OUT AS, UH, AS OUR SALUTE TO VETERANS, AS ROBIN MENTIONED AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE, SOMETHING, UH, JUST MUCH MORE GRAND THAN JUST DRIVING BY AND SEEING A SIGN THAT SAID VETERANS MEMORIAL AND FLAG, AND A COUPLE OF SMALL, UH, STONE PEDESTALS.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, YEAH, THE NUMBER OF A MILLION DOLLARS I'D BE SHOCKING TO, UH, TO PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE SCOPE AND THE SCALE OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT BIDS AND WE START TURNING THE CENTER PROJECT AND LOOKING, UH, FOR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN TO GET DOWN TO SOME REAL DETAILS, THEN, UH, YEAH, I'M, I I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER.
AND IF WE, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE HERE TO AT LEAST START NOW, OBVIOUSLY ONCE THIS HAS DONE, IT COMES BACK, THEN, THEN COUNCIL HAVE TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL PROJECT WOULD BE AND, AND APPROVE THAT.
BUT I THINK WE, WE DON'T WANT TO SELL OURSELVES SHORT.
AND IF WE KNOW THERE'S A POTENTIAL POLICY
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CHANGES WHERE WE CAN BE LOOKING AT ADDING FUNDING, UH, AND WE KNOW THERE'S POTENTIAL PROJECT, HEATHER MERE, TOO, THAT WOULD GENERATE REVENUE, UH, AS A NON-SCHOOL TEST KEEPING MONEY THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE SENT TO THE COUNTY, UH, THAT OUR TAXPAYERS PAY, KEEPING THAT HERE AT HOME AND USING IT THE SAME WAY THAT ALL THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE, COMMUNITIES, I MEAN, THE KENNEDY'S AND THE SOUTHEAST AUSTIN LANDING WAS BUILT, UH, THE, THE HIGHWAY OVERPASS OF AWESOME BOULEVARD, ALL THAT IS BUILT WITH TIP DOLLARS FROM, UH, AND THAT'S STILL A MONTGOMERY COUNTY THAT'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HUBER HEIGHTS, PAYING PROPERTY TAXES ARE FUNDING PROJECTS IN OTHER AREAS IN THE REGION.SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES OR ANY PROBLEMS USING THAT MONEY, KEEPING IT HERE, UH, FOR OUR OWN BENEFIT.
SO I'M FULLY ON BOARD WITH, UH, WITH USING THAT MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER AND WE CAN DETERMINE, UH, FUNDING SOURCES, BUT I THINK WHERE WE, IF WE START GETTING TIED UP, IT'S MY OPINION.
HE STARTED GETTING TIED UP IN, UH, ALL THE PARTS AND PIECES OF THE FUNDING.
THEN IT MIGHT BE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.
AND I THINK THE GOAL OF EVERYONE IS TO NOT WAIT ANOTHER YEAR TO SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT IN FRONT OF US AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING, NOT TO MENTION IF, UH, AS, AS THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT BEGINS TO MOVE FORWARD AND HEATHER MARY, TO, AS THOSE THINGS START TO HAPPEN, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, THE, THE, THE PROCESS OF INSTITUTING A NON-SCHOOL TIP THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE.
I BELIEVE THE LAST ONE THAT HAPPENED, UH, WITH US IN PLACE THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROBABLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS FROM A DIFFERENT LEGISLATION, HOW IT WAS WRITTEN, ALL THE NOTICES HAD TO BE GIVEN SO THAT IF WE WAIT UNTIL, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO START THE PROCESS, TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS THING IS GOING TO COST AND GET IT OUT TO BID AND GET SOME REAL NUMBERS, THEN WE START LOOKING AT FUNDING.
AND, AND IF, IF THE TIFF OF THAT PROJECT IS THE PROCESS, THEN, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO ADD MORE TIMELINE.
SO I THINK THIS IS ALL JUST IN PREPARATION, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A MEMORIAL, LET'S START DOING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO BUILD THE MEMORIAL.
AND IF THE JERRY'S OKAY WITH THE WAY THIS LEGISLATION IS WRITTEN AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THERE AS AN EXTENSION OF LEGISLATION'S ALREADY PASSED, THEN IT WOULD STILL BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD INTO MONDAY.
AND, UH, AND LET'S, LET'S SEE WHERE WE GO.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T HAVE OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON OTHER TYPES OF FUNDING.
UH, WE CERTAINLY CAN ADD THOSE TO A ONCE.
RICHARD HAS A, IS I THINK, AS HE SAID, KIND OF DOES SOME OF THOSE OLD BOOKS OFF, UH, GETS THAT OUT TO COUNCIL.
WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN, IN FUTURE WORK SESSIONS.
UH, PROBABLY ONE'S COMING UP VERY SOON, BUT LET'S NOT WAIT TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE CLEARED THE DUST OFF OF THIS.
DON, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, DO YOU FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH A RESOLUTION ON, UM, AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING TO, TO CONFIRM, TO MAKE SURE OR MOVING ON US? WELL, YEAH, SO I'LL GO BACK HERE.
SO IF, IF THIS IS CONSIDERING CHANGING OR, OR LOOKING AT THE SCOPE AND REALLY, UH, THIS LEGISLATION ADDING THAT TO IT, THEN YES.
AND, AND WITH WHAT JERRY SAID IS, UH, THIS COULD USE AN EXTENSION FOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN.
WE, THE AMERICAN NATION THAT WE MOVED TO SUNDAY, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD BE 100% IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I THINK IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON IT.
UM, SO, UH, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DON'T REALLY, UM, WE DON'T MOVE THINGS FORWARD BY, BY VOTE OF APPROVAL BECAUSE OF IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A WORK SESSION, BUT, UM, I WOULD NEED TO SEE A MAJORITY OBJECTION AT THIS POINT TO KEEP THIS FROM MONDAY.
IF THERE'S OUR MAJORITY, OBJECTION, THEN WE'LL HAVE TONY MOVE THIS ON TO MONDAY ON.
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IT WAS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS A CITY SKATE PARK OR SLASH BMX COURSE AT JUANITA FIELD.I ALSO ASKED FOR THIS, I HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE, UM, HOW MANY MONTHS AGO IT WAS, WE HAD A YOUNG GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF NICK LAMB WHO CAME TO A, UH, IT WAS A WORK SESSION AND, OR A COUNCIL MEETING AND TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR BIKING, CATERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, PARENTS TAKING KIDS OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY, GOING TO OTHER COMMUNITIES FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE, IN THESE TYPES OF, UH, EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, I GUESS IT IS.
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SO WE HAVE, UH, WHEN, WHEN I WAS AT ONE OF THE, UH, CONFERENCES IN LA, I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO DESIGN AND BUILD SKATE PARKS.UH, THEY HAD SENT ME SOME INFORMATION, I BELIEVE MRS. BERG HAS ACTUALLY TALKED TO THAT SAME GROUP.
SO WE JUST KIND OF, UH, HAD CIRCLED BACK AROUND, UH, TOGETHER IN OUR DISCUSSION BECAUSE COULD MRS. VIRGIN HAD ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR MASTER PARCH PLAN, A SKATE PARK WAS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE HIGH THINGS ON THE AGENDA, OR KIND OF THAT PRIORITY LIST TO BE ABLE TO ADD SOME TYPE OF, OF A NEW AMENITY.
IT'S THE OLD WIFE FACILITY FOR ANYONE WHO ISN'T JUST FAMILIAR WITH THE NAME OF ANITA FIELD WHO'S LISTENING OR WATCHING THAT PROPERTY IS REALLY JUST BEEN KIND OF SITTING THERE NOT BEING USED.
AND IT'S KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.
UM, IT'S NOT FAR DOWN FROM WHAT OUR BRAND PIKE REVITALIZATION PROJECT LOOKS LIKE.
IT IS CLOSE TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE A GREAT PLACE WHERE, UM, THE BIKES, THERE ARE, UM, LOTS OF REASONS WHY THAT WOULD MAKE A GOOD PLACE.
THE ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE PARTICULAR PIECE WOULD MAKE IT REAL NICE TO KIND OF BUILD IN THOSE UNDERGROUND SWALES AND THE AREAS WHERE, WHERE KIDS WOULD SKATE UP ON THE TOP PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT DURING THE DOG PARK DISCUSSIONS.
WE'D EVEN TALKED ABOUT NITA NEED TO FEEL JUST BECAUSE UP ON THE TOP SECTION, THERE, THERE'S A HUGE AREA THAT THAT'S PLANNED OFF WHERE I THINK IT'D BE FAIRLY EASY TO, WELL, WHEN I SEE, YOU KNOW, BMX COURSE, I KNOW THERE'S SOME TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE DEL RAY PARK THAT ARE BEING, UH, CURRENTLY WORKED ON, UM, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THOSE KNOWING THAT, UH, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THAT AREA IS, YOU KNOW, RIDING MY BIKE AROUND THERE WHEN I WAS A KID AS WELL.
UH, THOSE TRAILS ARE JUST KINDA A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WOULD SEE HERE AT MONITA, JUST I'M THINKING MANITA.
AND BASED ON WHAT, UH, YOUNG MR. LAM HAD HAD BROUGHT TO US WOULD JUST BE MORE OF A RACETRACK, JUST AN AREA WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET FOUR OR FIVE KIDS TOGETHER, LINED UP WITH A BUNCH OF KIDS WAITING, AND IT'S JUST A RACE AROUND A TRACK WITH SOME, UH, UH, YEAH, NO VALARIE UP THERE WITH SOME RAMPS AND SOME JUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO JUST GIVE KIDS A PLACE TO GO RIDE AND RACE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW GROWING UP HERE THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE EVERY DAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS SO, AND THEN COMBINE THAT WITH, UH, WITH SKATING.
AND SO I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, I WORKED WITH HIGH SCHOOL KIDS, UH, ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS AND THE NUMBER OF KIDS WHO TALK ABOUT AND ASK ABOUT, UH, SOMEPLACE ABLE TO GO SKATE RATHER THAN HAVING TO TRAVEL TO CENTERVILLE OR SOMEPLACE ELSE TO GO DO THAT.
UH, WE HAVE A LARGE COMMUNITY AND LARGE CROWD OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE COMING UPON THE TIME WHERE, UH, WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND WHEN MR. LAN SPOKE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, UH, I LOOKED UP AND DOWN THE DICE AND I SAW NOTHING, BUT A BUNCH OF SMILING, HAPPY FACES ON THE MEMBERS OF ALL THE FACES OF ALL EIGHT OF YOU, WHO SAID, YES, YEAH, THIS IS YOU AGREE, WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO IF, IF WE DON'T DISCUSS IT AND TALK ABOUT IT, THEN IT JUST KIND OF SITS ON THE SHELF AND IT NEVER HAPPENS.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO BRING IT BACK AROUND FULL CIRCLE.
AND, UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
SO MY, MY GOAL OF THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, UH, MOTION LEGISLATION WOULD BE TO REALLY JUST DIRECT STAFF, UH, TO START LOOKING INTO, UH, THESE COMPANIES.
AND AGAIN, THE COMPANY, THERE'S A BIRD AND I'VE TALKED TO, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FORWARDED TO STAFF, BUT REALLY TO HAVE THEM START LOOKING INTO THIS AND KIND OF THE SAME THINGS, UH, HAVING A COMPANY, GIVE US A PROPOSAL TO COME BACK AND JUST HAVE SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL, UH, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT FOR US TO CONSIDER.
NOT THAT, UM, WHAT COMES BACK IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WE DO, UH, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE, THERE'S NO BUDGET FOR THIS.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF A PROPOSAL FOR US TO CONSIDER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE A TIMELINE ON IT.
SO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING BACK, THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO THAT IS A, I'M K TO SAY SKATEPARK AND BMX COURSE, BUT I DO WANT, I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
THAT'S GOING INTO THE TRAILS AT THE, AT THE DOLLAR AT BARK, AND THIS ISN'T A COMPETE WITH THAT.
THIS HAS TO BE SOMETHING EXTRA, I'M JUST RIDING ON TRAILS, BUT THIS IS HAVING SOME PLACE WHERE KIDS CAN GO AND RACE JUST ON AN OVAL TRACK AND GET THAT COMPETITIVE SPIRIT AND GET THAT OUT OF THEM.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING OUT WITH THIS, AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE GIVE STAFF SOME TIME TO GO OUT AND SEEK A COMPANY THAT CAN
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PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL AND GIVE COUNSEL SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN THE, IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.MR. WEBB, UM, WOULD JUST SAY, I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP MAYOR, UM, AFTER THE PRESENTATION, UH, BY THAT YOUNG MAN, UH, I AGREE.
WE WERE ALL PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF THIS AND YEAH, YEAH.
I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE MOVE, UH, AT LEAST KIND OF GET A TIMELINE ON.
SO WE KNOW, UM, FULFILL ON WHAT I FELL WAS A PROMISE.
WE MADE THAT NIGHT, UH, TO GET SOMETHING DONE ON THIS.
SO, UH, I'M IN A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEMENT.
UM, YEAH, WHEN I SAW THIS COME UP ON THE AGENDA AND, AND THE MENTIONING OF MY NEED FAILED, I THOUGHT THAT IS AN AWESOME SPACE TO PUT THAT.
SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN IT COME UP AGAIN AND AGAIN, THROUGH MY WHOLE TIME LIVING IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO TO ACTUALLY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.
I'VE BEEN WAITING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S A GREAT AMENITY HERE.
UM, I'VE ALREADY SUPPLIED ONE GRADE AND OPPORTUNITY TO MR. SCHOMER AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THROUGH MY RESEARCH THAT, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, TO SUPPORT THESE KIND OF EFFORTS.
AND I'VE EVEN READ A PARKS THAT TONY HAWK, UM, HAS FUNDED TOTALLY FOR, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE DISADVANTAGED CHILDREN WILL BE, UH, THE RECIPIENTS WILL BE THE USERS, LARGE USERS OF THOSE PARTICULAR FACILITIES.
SO I THINK THE POTENTIAL THERE TO GET A LOT OF HELP WITH FUNDING IS OUT THERE.
AND I'M EXCITED THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TO START, UH, SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS AND THANK YOU.
UM, I JUST SAY, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH ADDITIONAL TRACKS, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
UH, WHERE ARE WE ON THE, UM, ON THE DIAL? I KNOW THAT, UH, SOME, SOME PLANS WERE BROUGHT FOR A PUMP TRACK, UM, UH, ANOTHER TRACK, UH, THE TRAILS THEMSELVES.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR, JUNE, I BELIEVE.
UM, UH, WITH MIAMI VALLEY BIKING ASSOCIATION KIND OF BROUGHT SOME STUFF WITH JOSH KING TO PARKS AND RECREATION.
UM, ARE WE, DO WE HAVE ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT? I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS, MR. SHAW.
AS WE, UH, I THINK MR. KING, I FORGET WHEN IT WAS THAT HE GAVE A LAST UPDATE.
I CAN HAVE THEM CIRCLE BACK AROUND.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT SOME FUNDING.
UM, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE MOUNTAIN BIKE ASSOCIATION, UH, ACTUALLY WORKS FOR TRIMBLE AND TRIMBLE HAD, UH, PROVIDED SOME POTENTIAL FREE DESIGN AND LABOR FOR THAT.
SO THOSE DESIGNS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED THE EXTENSION OF THE GRANT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE APPLIED FOR UNTIL ACTUALLY NEXT SPRING.
UH, AND I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, I CAN TAKE MY HAND DOWN BECAUSE, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TO SAY WAS, UH, YES, MRS. BERG, UH, SUBMITTED THAT GRANT, WHICH IS A GREAT STUFF.
AND I WANT TO THANK HER FOR IT.
SHE'S ALWAYS, UH, UH, HAS AN EXTRA SET OF EYES ON ALL THOSE ON ALL THOSE GRANTS AND THE GRANT FINDER.
UM, AND WE ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THAT.
THEY HAVE EXTENDED THE FALL APPLICATION FOR THAT DUE TO YOU GUESSED IT COVID, UH, HOW IT AFFECTS THAT.
SO SOME OF THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE PROJECTS SEEM TO BE KIND OF PUSHED OFF UNTIL NEXT SPRING FROM THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR, UH, REGARDING THOSE TWO PROJECTS, THEY REALLY ARE SEPARATE.
UH, THE ONE THAT IS AT THE LONG FOR DIAL IS DESIGNED AND THOUGHT TO BE MORE OF A HIKING AND MOUNTAIN BIKING TYPE, OF COURSE.
WHEREAS I BELIEVE MR. MAYOR, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A SKATE BOARD TYPE OF BMX THING THAT WOULD BE A SMOOTH, SOLID SURFACE AS OPPOSED TO A, A NATURAL TRAIL TYPE OF SITUATION, THE PRESENTED THEM.
NO, THE, THE SKATE POINT OBVIOUSLY IS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALMOST LIKE AN UNDERGROUND SETTING YOU NOW WE HAVE A, UH, AN AREA THAT MANITA THE ELEVATION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO PUT IT THERE.
AND AGAIN, WE ALREADY OWN THE LAND, SO I HAVE TO GO AROUND TO GO FIND PROPERTY FOR THAT.
BUT THE, UM, THE, THE RACING PIECE, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAIL.
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LIKE, AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING OF DIAL WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE TRAILS BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE TOPOGRAPHY BACK THERE.UM, THAT WAS HALF OF THAT ONE COMPONENT.
SO, SO THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE TRACKS AS WELL.
ONE OF THEM ARE OF A LEARNER TRACK.
I THINK THEY CALL IT A PUMP TRACK BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF BICYCLE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU KIND OF PUSH ALONG.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS MORE OF AN INTERMEDIATE LEVEL.
UM, AND THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, BICYCLES, BMX, UH, SKATEBOARDS, SCOOTERS.
UH, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THOSE, THEY, ALL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS COULD BE USED ON THOSE TRACKS.
UM, THEY WERE, MULTI-USE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT WRITING TYPES AND STYLES.
SO I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IT WAS WHEN I, WHEN I PICTURE DOLL ROOM PARK, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF FLAT SURFACE AREA THERE AT, YOU KNOW, A LONG LONGFORD AND DIAL MOST OF THAT AREA BACK THERE IS ALL THE TREES AND THE, AND THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE ELEVATION CHANGES.
AND AGAIN, I MEAN, AND THERE IS, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF FLAT SPACE AT THE TOP OF IT.
AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL SPACE THAT GOES DOWN A HILL, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE WOODS ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S DIVIDED INTO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SPACES.
SO MY THOUGHT WAS, I'M MORE OF A RACETRACK TYPE OF, UH, BMX RACING TRACK AT, UH, MANITA COMBINED WITH, UM, COMBINED WITH SKATING.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY IDEA.
SO, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIRT TRACK TYPE OF SET UP IS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO MORE OF A DIRT TRACK.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'D BE A BIT DIFFERENT, UH, AS A, UH, MORE OF A RACING STYLE, DIRT TRACK MIGHT BE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT JOSH WAS PRESENTING, BUT I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE MOVEMENT ON THE OTHER PROJECT AS WELL.
I, I COMPANIED, UM, ACTUALLY MR. LAMB AND HIS, UH, MOM AND DAD TO, UH, AN ACTUAL, UH, THEY INVITE ME TO A BMX RACE, UH, THAT NICK RACED IN AND THERE A IT'S LIKE IT WAS AN INDOOR TYPE OF RACETRACK DOWN IN DAYTON.
SO WE WENT THERE AND, UH, AND CHECK THAT OUT AND IT'S A GREAT FACILITY, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MAN, THE WINTERTIME IS COOL.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST KIND OF A BIG POLE BARN WITHOUT ANY HEAT, BUT THERE'S AN INDOOR DIRT RACETRACK AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY RACED ME IN THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT FOR, FOR LOCAL KIDS.
AND IF WE ASK THEM LIKE THAT AND WE GOING TO ATTRACT KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT JUST, JUST A DIRT TRACK WITH SOME RAMPS, THINGS LIKE THAT, FOR THEM, JUST AN OVERALL THAT THERE THAT'S MEANT FOR RACING, NOT, NOT, NOT TRAILS, NOT REALLY FOR MOUNTAIN BIKES, THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT JUST A SPECIFIC DIRT FOR KIDS TO COME AND RACE OFF.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN, THEN AS A PART OF THAT, A FEW AREAS, UH, IN FEATURES FOR, UH, FOR THE SKATEBOARDERS AS WELL.
SO IT IS, UH, THAT WAS THAT'S, THAT'S MY, UH, THAT'D BE MY VISION THERE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT, UH, THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS THEN HAVING, AND WE CAN GET MORE SPECIFIC OR WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ROBIN STAFF, UH, BUT IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT HAVING THEM GO OUT, UH, TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT DO THIS TYPE OF THING AND HAVE THEM LOOK AT THE LAND AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME PROPOSALS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO COME BACK AND CONSIDER, AND THEN IT WOULD BE AT THE COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AT THAT SHRUNK.
AND IF I MAY, ROB, COULD YOU ASK JOSH, UM, IF, IF HE COULD POSSIBLY COME BACK AND BRING THE, KIND OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN AT PARKS AND REC ON THE OTHER ONE SO THAT, UH, EVERYBODY CAN GET MORE UP TO SPEED ON THAT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS EVER GIVEN AT A COUNCIL MEETING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST PARKS AND REC.
AND JUST TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I WAS CLEAR REGARDING THE PROJECT FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRACK, THERE WAS A PUMP TRACK INVOLVED THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT AS A FUTURE TYPE OF, UM, I GUESS, EXPANSION, UH, BUT WHAT WAS APPLIED FOR, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY AWAITING AN AWARD ON THAT FUNDING.
HOPEFULLY IT COMES FOR THE FALL FOR, UH, FOR USE, UH, INTO THE SPRING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT BMS OR NOT BMX, UM, MOUNTAIN BIKE COURSE THAT WAS THROUGH THE DAYTON MOUNTAIN BIKE AND THE PEOPLE.
SO THAT PROJECT IS, WE'RE JUST AWAITING ON THE ANNOUNCEMENT, WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR OR NOT, UH, TO, UH, TO PUT THAT PROJECT TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THAT.
UM, AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION ALSO, UM, ARE, AND I COULD HAVE BEEN CONFUSED JUST LISTENING TO WHAT YOU INTRODUCED MAYOR.
UM, I I'M HEARING BMX DIRT HILLS, BUT THEN SKATE LEE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT STUFF THAT WE KNOW, BECAUSE I GOTTA BE HONEST, I HEARD
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SKATE PARK BMX SIMILAR TO LIKE THE CITY OF SPRINGFIELD HAS A COMPOSITE UNIT THAT WAS ASSEMBLED AND SKATEBOARDS AND BMX BIKES GO ON.IT'S ALL HARD SURFACE, BUT THEN I'M HEARING LIKE A BMX RACETRACK, WHICH IS DIRT.
SO, UM, YEAH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THAT WE ARE TO GO OUT AND RESEARCH? WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A, THAT SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE, UM, IF I DO HEAR CORRECTLY, I'M CONFUSED TWO SEPARATE THINGS, A OVAL RACETRACK THAT HAS, THAT'S ALL DIRT THAT HAS DIRT MOUNTAINS, YOU KNOW, UH, I BELIEVE IN SOME OF THOSE YOU CAN GET, UM, I THINK LIKE IN THE TURNS, DEPENDING ON HOW SHARP THE TURN IS AND THAT OVAL, UH, SOME OF THOSE ARE THEN ARE DONE WITH, UH, WITH ASPHALT.
SO THE CORNERS ARE RAMPED UP A LITTLE BIT WHERE IT'S NOT DIRT, SO IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SAFER, BUT PREDOMINANTLY A DIRT TRACK THAT HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME JUMPS AND RAMPS WHERE, UH, THERE WERE THE PREDOMINANTLY IT'S MEANT FOR RACING SEPARATE THAN THAT WOULD BE, UH, AN AREA FOR SKATERS WHERE YOU'RE DIGGING INTO THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE HILLS THERE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT, UH, AGAIN, WHAT I WOULD JUST SAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER TERM IS, BUT TO ME, WHAT WOULD LOOK LIKE A CONCRETE, UNDERGROUND SWIMMING POOL, WHERE THEY CAN GO IN AND, UH, AND SKATER AND SKATE AROUND THERE.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND PIECES WHERE, UH, THERE'S PIPES AND JUMPS AND RAMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK, I THINK INITIALLY WE HAVE, UH, I I'LL GET YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE PARTICULAR CONTRACTORS THAT I TALKED TO, THAT DESIGNS, THOSE THINGS, THEY WORK WITH DIFFERENT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE, UH, PUT TOGETHER AT THE SAME PLACE IN THE SAME SETTING.
SO THOSE COMPANIES ALL WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, HAND IT OVER TO BELMONT AND LET THEM BRING SOMETHING BACK THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY SUGGESTION TO SEPARATE TWO SEPARATE PIECES IN THE SAME PARK.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY SUGGESTION, THAT IT SOUNDS AS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR US TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT OR A DESIGNER OF SOME SORTS TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN AND A PLAN AND A COST BASED ON, UH, WHAT VISION MIGHT BE FOR THAT.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOME DOCUMENTATION OR A CONTACT FOR THAT, UM, THEN, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, WOULD WE WANT TO LOOK AT A, UM, UM, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ENGAGE IN AND GET AN ESTIMATE AS TO WHAT THE COST FOR THOSE SERVICES ARE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD NEED TO LEGISLATE THAT.
UH, AND WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT JUST BY SOME INITIAL CONTACTS WITH WHOMEVER, THE DESIGNER OR WHATEVER CONTACT THAT YOU HAVE.
SO WE'LL FOLLOW BACK UP AGAIN.
LIKE I SAID, MR. BURGESS ACTUALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THAT CONTRACTOR BEFORE I TALKED TO THEM AT THE CONFERENCE IN LOS ANGELES.
AND WHEN I TALKED TO THEM, THEY, THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY WERE FAMILIAR WITH DEBRA RIGHTS AND FAMILIAR WITH MRS. BERG, BUT SHE'D BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM ALREADY.
SO I, AT THIS POINT WOULD JUST BE A RACE TO SEE WHICH ONE OF US CAN FIND THAT EMAIL AND FORWARD THAT TO YOU FIRST, MR. HILL, I THINK DON BEAT YOU TO IT.
NOW, ANDY, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR DID YOU JUST FORGET TO TAKE YOUR HAND DOWN FROM THE LAST TIME I FORGOT, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, YES, MR. CAMPBELL, YES, MAYOR, UH, THANKS FOR ADDING THIS TO THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A TIMELINE, EXCUSE ME.
BUT COULD YOU GIVE, COULD YOU UPDATE ME ON WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE, MAYOR IN REGARD TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR STAFF TO DO? YEP.
SO I THINK, UM, UH, SO CERTAINLY I WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION TO MR. SCHOMER, UH, CERTAINLY EITHER TONIGHT OR, OR TOMORROW.
SO, UH, THINK TONY, JUST AS A REMINDER, MAYBE SOMETIME WITHIN, I WOULD SAY A WORK SESSION WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS TO AT LEAST HAVE AN UPDATE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR MR. SCHOMER, UH, THAT, UH, ENGAGEMENT WITH, UH, CONTRACTORS AND HAD WHAT'S GOING ON, IS THERE A CONSULTING FEE? UH, BASICALLY JUST, UH, SO SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS THAT LETS US KNOW, UH, WE'RE, UH, ACTIVELY WORKING TO, UM, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY, THANKS.
[ Board and Commission Appointments]
IS ITEM THREE L WHICH IS BOARD BORDEN COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.SOMEBODY, UH, UH, ROB, DID YOU THROW A, THROW A PICTURE UP THERE, GUY? I'M SORRY.
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THAT QUEUED UP.I DIDN'T KNOW IF MR. WEBB WANTED ME TO THROW THAT UP.
IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO SHOW IT ON HIS PHONE.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT IT OR NOT.
YEAH, ROB, I QUICKLY SENT THAT TO YOU.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY KETTERING DELCO, UH, UM, UM, BMX TRACK THERE.
UH, ALTHOUGH THIS ONE IS, UM, A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN I BELIEVE WHAT THE MIRROR WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, BECAUSE OF SCADA, BANKED, OVAL, AND, UH, SOME AUTOMATED STARTING GATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE BASIC CONCEPT OF THE TRACK IS JUST ONE OF HILLS AND JUMPS AND IT'S DIRT, UM, THAT, UH, OVAL SHAPED AND, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE MIRROR SAYING CORRECTLY.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS MORE OF A PLACE WHERE THE KIDS AND ADULTS WHO, UH, BMX CAN GO AND HAVE SOME FUN, NOT NECESSARILY A COMPETITIVE TRACK LIKE THIS ONE, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THE CONFIGURATION OF SUCH A TRACK MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
WE, WE NEED SOMETHING FOR OUR, FOR OUR KIDS TO DO.
AND YEAH, SO THAT, THAT LOOKS A LOT MORE, UM, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO NOW NOW LOOK, THEY RACE ON THOSE.
I MEAN, BUT THIS IS, AND THAT TYPE OF A BANK'S CORNER, THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAW INSIDE OF THE BMX TRACK IN DAYTON.
UH, WHEN I WENT WITH THE LAND FAMILY TO KIND OF SEE WHAT, WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOK, OUR KIDS AND OUR COMMUNITY WOULD BE HAPPY HAVING A LARGE OVAL TRACK THAT THEY CAN GO RACE THAT MIGHT JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF JUMPS ON THE FRONT SIDE, A NICE BANK, AND THEN A COUPLE JUMPS ON THE BACKSIDE TO JUST GET TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A BUNCH OF YOUR FRIENDS, YOU MEET UP ON, YOU KNOW, ON A TUESDAY AFTER SCHOOL, UH, AFTER YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK, OF COURSE, KIDS, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN JUST HAVE FUN AND GO RACE IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'VE GOT, WHAT I'VE GOT IN MIND.
SO, BUT YEAH, THANKS FOR SENDING TO ROBIN.
THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR SHARING AND SHOWING THAT.
SO, UH, FINALLY ITEM THREE L IS OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, MR. ROGERS.
THIS IS THREE L I THINK, AS EVERYONE'S AWARE, UH, COUNCIL CREATED THE CULTURE AND DIVERSITY CITIZEN ACTION COMMISSION RECENTLY AND APPOINTED THE FOUR INITIAL MEMBERS TO THIS NINE NUMBER COMMISSION.
SO SINCE THAT TIME, UM, KATIE, AND OBVIOUSLY THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE EXISTING MEMBERS OF THAT COMMISSION TO IDENTIFY AND FILL THE VACANCIES, UM, REMAINING ON THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION.
UM, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE HAD, UH, 26, UH, VALID APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS PROBABLY A RECORD FOR ONE OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF VERY HIGH QUALITY CANDIDATES THAT, UH, WERE SEEKING THESE APPOINTMENTS TO THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION.
UH, THE COMMISSION STARTED OUT BY TAKING THESE 26 APPLICATIONS AND REVIEWING THEM AND RANKING THEM BASED ON THE APPLICATION MATERIALS.
AND FROM THESE RANKINGS, THEY DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO INTERVIEW 12 OF THE 26, UH, APPLICANTS.
SO, UH, OVER THE LAST MONTH, THESE 12 INTERVIEWS WERE HELD, THEY WERE DONE IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
UH, THE VIDEOS ARE ALL AVAILABLE, UM, IS AS PART OF THE RECORD.
AND, UH, FROM THOSE 12 INTERVIEWS, THEY HAVE NOW MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR THE FIVE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT TO THIS COMMISSION TO FILL THE REMAINING VACANCIES.
SO I BRING YOU TONIGHT AS INDICATED IN THE PACKET, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO HAVE A MOTION ON MONDAY'S AGENDA TO FILL THESE FIVE VACANCIES, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS, UH, FREDERICK AKINS, JEAN NEWBIE, TERRY PERK, TARA PURVIS, UM, ESTEFAN RAMIREZ, AND ERIC RICHARDSON, UH, PETITION, UH, FOR STAGGERED TERMS TO JUST KEEP THOSE, UH, VARIED IN A PART ON A STAGGERED BASIS.
UH, ALL OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, IN THIS GROUP OF FIVE HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, THEIR BACKGROUND RELEASES AND, UH, THREE OF THOSE ARE COMPLETED.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING THE REMAINING TWO.
THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN RETURNING THE RELEASES TO US, UH, BUT WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THOSE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AND BARRING ANY COMPLICATIONS ON THE REMAINING TWO.
UH, WE WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION AND BY MOTION AND APPOINT, UH, THESE FIVE INDIVIDUALS TO THIS COMMISSION.
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HELP WITH THE COMMISSION AND, UH, CERTAINLY MS. NICELYS AS WELL.I KNOW THAT WAS A VERY TIME CONSUMING AND WORK, UH, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING INVOLVED IN THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS.
I'M A STATIC THAN WE HAD 26 APPLICATIONS.
UH, I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD THAT IN THE APPLICATIONS TELLS US THAT WE WERE ABSOLUTELY ON TARGET AND RIGHT ON TRACK IN CREATING THIS COMMISSION AND THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR THIS COMMISSIONER COMMUNITY.
SO I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER WITH, UH, WITH THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS AND CERTAINLY PLEASED WITH THE ONES THAT, UH, THAT THEY CHOSE.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION FROM MR. ROGERS REGARDING THE FIVE APPLICANTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR MONDAY'S MEETING CORRECTLY? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE FIVE NAMES ON MONDAY'S MEETING? OKAY.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THIS EVENING'S WORK SESSION, UH, EIGHT 31.
SO IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF HOURS SPENT A WHILE SINCE WE HAD ONE LIKE THIS, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.
LOTS OF GREAT QUESTIONS ASKED AND I THINK SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, BROUGHT FORWARD IN TERMS OF FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, IN DISCUSSION NOW WE END UP ON THE RECORD.
I APPRECIATE THAT FROM EVERYONE.
AND THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE WITH US FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND AT EIGHT 31 RULE DURING THIS MEETING, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY.