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[ CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS STATE OF OHIO Charter Review Commission]
IS 6 0 1 ON TUESDAY, AUGUST 27TH, 2024.AND I CALL THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
MR. ROGERS THE ROLE, PLEASE? MR. DILLINGHAM? HERE.
MR. CAMPBELL? MRS. BURGE? HERE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, THREE MEMBERS WHO ARE ABSENT, AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXCUSE THEIR ABSENCES.
MOTION BY MS. BURGE, SECOND BY MS. SARUS.
ALL IN, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? NO.
MR. ROGERS THE ROLE, PLEASE? MRS. BURGE? YES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ONE OR FIVE TO ZERO.
MR. ROGERS HAS, UM, EMAILED US ALL THE MINUTES FROM OUR JUNE 25TH MEETING.
UH, UNLESS THERE IS ANY RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED CHANGES, THEN THOSE WOULD STAND AS APPROVED.
MINUTES FROM JUNE 25TH ARE APPROVED.
UH, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE, TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.
UH, A THE CITY CHARTER AMENDMENT BALLOT ISSUES, MR. ROGERS.
SO, UM, I HAD INCLUDED IN THE MEETING PACKET, UH, THE PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE, UM, NOT JUST PROPOSED, BUT APPROVED BALLOT LANGUAGE THAT HAD BEEN REVIEWED BY THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, AS WELL AS OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE.
AND WE HAD, UH, APPROVAL ON FOUR OF THE, UM, FIVE CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, SUBSEQUENT TO SENDING OUT THE PACKET, I DID RECEIVE THE APPROVAL FOR SECTION 4 0 3, WHICH WAS THE FIFTH ONE.
SO I MADE A COPY OF THAT FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, JORDAN, I KNOW YOU WERE, UH, YOUR OFFICE WAS REVIEWING THESE AS WELL.
UM, I HAD IDENTIFIED JUST ONE, UH, SCRIBNER ERROR IN ONE OF 'EM.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
ASIDE FROM, UM, THE TOPOGRAPHY AREA, UH, 9.07, UH, 1308, UM, BE APPROVED, HOWEVER WRITTEN.
SO JUST FOR THE COMMISSION'S, UH, KNOWLEDGE ON THE ONE FOR SECTION, UH, 9 0 7 AND 13.08 THAT JORDAN JUST REFERENCED, UM, IN THE SECOND PART OF THE, UM, THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, UH, IT SET GROUND FOR REMOVAL SET OF GROUNDS.
THERE WAS AN S MISSING ON THE APPROVED LANGUAGE.
SO I DID CONTACT THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS AND ASK THEM TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, WHICH THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.
SO, UM, UNLESS WE SEE ANY OTHER THING GLARING, THEN THIS IS HOW THE FIVE SEPARATE CHARTER AMENDMENTS WOULD APPEAR ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.
THIS ONE WILL APPEAR ON THE BALLOT.
IT WAS JUST THAT, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DELAYED, UH, FROM THE OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE.
IT DIDN'T COME WITH THE OTHERS.
SO, OBVIOUSLY SINCE WE MET LAST, WE'VE BEEN PAST THE CUTOFF DATE TO SUBMIT THINGS, UH, TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.
UM, EARLY VOTING IN OHIO STARTS, UH, 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THAT DATE.
AND, UM, THESE WILL APPEAR ON ANYONE WHO RESIDES IN THE CITY OF YOU RIGHTS, WHETHER IT'S MIAMI COUNTY OR MONTGOMERY COUNTY.
AND, UM, I GUESS THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR THE ELECTION PROCESS PART OF IT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AFTER TAKING A LOOK AT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE FROM ANY OF THE CHARTER REVIEW MEMBERS? NOPE.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION NEXT STEPS.
UM, I JUST KIND OF PUT THIS AS A GENERAL CATEGORY TO KIND OF DEFINE WHERE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WANTS TO GO FROM HERE.
UM, NOW THAT WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY, UM, GOT FIVE ISSUES, UH, ON THE BALLOT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION FELT THAT WE HADN'T TOUCHED, UH, BASE ON PROPERLY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY CHARTER AS PART OF THE REVIEW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO SOMETHING, UH, WHILE THE COMMISSION
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IS STILL OPERATING.UM, HOWEVER, IF ANYTHING WAS TO MOVE FORWARD, IT'D HAVE TO BE THE, THE NEXT, UH, ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE IN, IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR FOR THE PRIMARY.
BUT, UM, WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT AN EDUCATION PIECE THAT MAYBE THE CHARTER, UH, REVIEW COMMISSION COULD PLAY A, UM, SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN HELPING, UH, EDUCATE VOTERS IN THE CITY, UM, ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE, UH, PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
SO, UM, I DID ASK JORDAN AND HIS PEOPLE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF, UH, WHAT LIMITATIONS, IF ANY, ARE ON THE ROLES OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED IN TERMS OF WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ADVOCACY, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PUBLIC FUNDS FOR ADVOCACY.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FROM THE CITY DIRECTLY, UM, IN TERMS OF STAFF WOULD BE, UM, FACTUAL INFORMATION.
SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, UH, DO A, UH, A NEWSLETTER THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROPOSED TEXT OF ALL THE AMENDMENTS.
UM, BUT IT CAN'T BE SLANTED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
HAS TO BE A, A NEUTRAL TYPE OF, UH, EDUCATIONAL PIECE.
CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE, UM, LIKE THE LEGAL WILLIAM DORS DOES THAT, THAT HAS A, JUST AN EXPLANATION OF THE RATIONALE, BASICALLY BEHIND THE CHANGES.
CAN WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE WEBSITE, UM, OR FACEBOOK PAGE? I'VE HEARD OF JORDAN ON THAT.
UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT RATIONALE, THEN YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF HOW YOU WORD THAT SO THAT IT DOESN'T SLAY IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
BUT, UM, SO JOHN AND I ARE GONNA BE BOUND BY THOSE.
THEN THERE'S SEPARATE RULES ACCORDING TO CHRIS FOR THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, THE CITIZEN COMMISSION MEMBERS, AND THEN ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE YET ANOTHER ROLE IN THIS.
SO THE SIMPLEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT IS, UM, IT CAN'T BE ON THE CITY TIME OR THE CITY'S DIME.
SO IF YOU'RE A CITY EMPLOYEE WHO IS COMPENSATED DURING THE TIME THAT YOU'RE EMPLOYED, UM, YOU CANNOT GO OUT AND MAKE ADVOCATE, BE AN ADVOCATE FOR CERTAIN BALLOT POSITIONS.
IF, IF YOU GO ON YOUR PERSONAL TIME, WHETHER YOU'RE A CITY EMPLOYEE, ELECTED OFFICIAL, OR A BOARD MEMBER, YOU DON'T FOREGO YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL TIME WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BE AN ADVOCATE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR ME AND CHRIS, WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY.
AND AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A CITY EMPLOYEE AND YOU WERE GOING OUT TO LUNCH AND YOU DROVE IN YOUR CITY VEHICLE TO LUNCH, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE USING A CD VEHICLE, YOU CANNOT NOT GO THERE AND BE AN ADVOCATE.
YOU COULD ANSWER QUESTIONS BASED ON AN INFORMATIVE BASIS, BUT YOU CANNOT NOT PULL FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER POSITION.
IF YOU'RE ON THE WEEKEND, YOU'RE AT A BARBECUE AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT ACTING AS YOUR OFFICIAL ROLE, BUT YOU'RE ACTING AS A CITIZEN OF HUMOR HEIGHTS, SOMEBODY ASKS YOU ABOUT THAT POSITION OR THE BALLOT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BE AN ADVOCATE THERE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE EXERCISING YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AS AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS EITHER CITY EMPLOYEE OR AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
THAT BEING SAID, BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT EMPLOYED BY THE CITY, UM, HAVE LESS STRICT REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT COMPENSATED BY THE CITY FOR YOUR, UH, PARTICIPATION HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SPEAK OPENLY, UM, ALMOST, I THINK THE ONLY RESTRICTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DURING OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST PRACTICE TO STILL KEEP, YOU KNOW, YOUR POSITIONS TO BE IN A FORMATIVE BASIS.
UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE MEASURES.
BUT DIDN'T WE, WHEN WE DID THE CHARTER REVIEW LAST TIME, DIDN'T WE HAVE THE PROPOSED CHARTER CHANGES WITHOUT RATIONALE ON THIS, ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE WE DID COULD GO REVIEW 'EM AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN.
UM, AND, UH, WE CAN DO THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY.
UM, THE OTHER THING I ASKED, UH, JORDAN TO LOOK INTO WAS, I, UH, HAD A RECOLLECTION THAT WE HAD DONE A, UH, LEGAL NOTICE IN A NEWSPAPER, UH, SHOWING THE FULL TEXT, UH, OF THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS AS WELL.
AT THE TIME WHEN WE DID THAT LAST TIME, WE HAD THE HUBER HEIGHTS COURIERS STILL HERE,
WELL, SO IT WAS RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO DO.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE TO USE EITHER THE DAY DAILY NEWS, UH, WHICH IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION, OR THE DAILY COURT REPORTER.
BUT IF WE'RE DOING IT FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A WISE INVESTMENT TO SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS BECAUSE, UM, THE NO ONE GENERALLY READS THE DAILY COURT REPORT.
UM, FOR LEGAL NOTICE AND STUFF, UH,
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IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENT, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, UM, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY GET TO AS MANY PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT BASED ON YOUR RESEARCH? UH, NO.
THE ONLY THING TO ADD IS THAT THAT'S A REQUIREMENT BY OHIO STATUTE.
THAT'S NOT JUST PART OF OUR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED OF US.
AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE RUN TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND IT HAS TO BE, UH, AT LEAST PRIOR TO 15 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECT, THE, THE FIRST RUN HAS TO BE 15 DAYS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.
IS THAT, YEAH, THE, THE TEXT OF THE, UH, ORC SAYS THAT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED ONCE A WEEK FOR NO LESS THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, AND THE PAPER OR NEWSPAPER OR GENERAL CIRCULATION.
UM, AND THAT'S AT LEAST 15 DAYS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION.
SO IF WE DID IT ON A, LIKE ON A SUNDAY THAT MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY GET THE SUNDAY EDITION AND, AND THEN THERE'S ONE WHERE THEY DO ALL THE ELECTION STUFF.
I COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR ACCOUNT REP WITH, UH, DAVE DEALER NEWS TO SEE WHERE THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT WOULD BE.
UM, WE HAVE TO FACTOR IN THAT EARLY VOTING STARTS, UM, 30 DAYS PRIOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO IT ANY TIME BEFORE, 15 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'D WELCOME ANY INPUT ANYBODY HAS INTO THAT.
UM, WE COULD ALL, I COULD ALSO DISTRIBUTE, UH, THE AD THAT WE USED IN THE NEWSPAPER THE LAST TIME, JUST FORMAT WISE THAT, UM, COULD KINDA SHOW WHAT WE DID.
BUT IT JUST HAD A BRIEF, YOU KNOW, DESCRIPTION, SUMMARY, INTRODUCTION, AND THEN, UH, IT JUST LISTED THE FULL TEXT OF EACH AMENDMENT, UM, WITH THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, UM, TO, TO SHOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE VOTING ON.
I HAD A SUGGESTION, I WAS, UH, THINKING ABOUT IT ONCE WE REALIZED IT WAS GONNA BE ON THE BALLOT.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO MEET VOTERS WHERE THEY ARE.
I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T, WE'RE OBVIOUS, OBVIOUSLY REQUIRED TO DO THE PRINT, BUT, UM, SINCE THERE ARE FOUR RESIDENTS AND WE'RE LESS RESTRICTED ON HOW WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NEAT, UM, IF EACH ONE OF US TOOK ONE OF THEM AND THEN SOMEONE COULD DO TWO AND DO LIKE A TIKTOK STYLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE HAVE A QR CODE OR POST IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY COULD GO AND READ THE TEXT OR WE COULD REFER 'EM TO THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS OR TO THE CITY WEBSITE SO THEY CAN READ IT.
BUT SOMEONE SAY IN PLAIN TERMS, HERE'S WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANS.
'CAUSE I THINK THE LEGALESE CAN BE VERY CONFUSING AND TO KIND OF MAKE IT SIMPLE.
SO THEN WHAT WE COULD DO IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE TAKES ONE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, SPEAKS TO IT SHORT, LESS THAN TWO MINUTES.
AND THEN, UM, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, TONY, IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROCESS, WHAT A CHARTER AMENDMENT MEANS, BECAUSE IT WAS FACTUAL, LIKE YOU'RE NOT SWAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND THEN WE COULD PUT ALL OF THOSE KIND OF SOMEWHERE EITHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING, AND PEOPLE CAN JUST SHARE THE HECK OUT OF IT.
SO THEY'RE HEARING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE VOTING ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WELL, I DON'T REALLY LIKE BEING ON CAMERA, BUT
BUT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE WILLING TO BE INVOLVED IN HELPING PUT IT TOGETHER.
AND I'M NOT A TIKTOK PERSON EITHER, SO I'M, I'M NOT EITHER.
I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S, I MEAN, IT WOULD SHARE IT ON, YOU KNOW, ALL SOCIALS, ALL SOCIAL MEDIA.
I THINK HAVING THAT PIECE ABOUT WHAT A CHARTER AMENDMENT ACTUALLY MEANS, IT WOULD BE CRITICAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF LIKE NANCY, IF SOMEONE WHO IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TALKS ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT, NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SWAYING SOMEONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT JUST HOW THIS IS PART OF BEING A RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY TO GO VOTE.
HERE'S WHAT IT MEANS FOR IT TO BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
UM, JUST KIND OF FACTUAL, BUT IN PLAIN TERMS. YEAH.
BUT THAT GOES BACK TO IT'S KIND OF SEMANTICS AGAIN, BECAUSE WHEN I SAY THE RATIONALE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE SLANTED EITHER WAY.
AND IF YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN THE REASON BEHIND YOUR RATIONALE, AGAIN, YOUR REASON MIGHT BE SLANTED.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, AND, AND 'CAUSE THERE'S GUIDANCE OUT THERE, WE FOUND, UM, EVEN SAYING, HEY, MAKE SURE TO GO TO VOTE, UH, CAN BE TO A PARTICULAR ELECTION CYCLE, AN ENDORSEMENT OF, UH, ONE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
SO IF WE SAY, GO OUT AND VOTE EVERY SINGLE ELECTION CYCLE, THEN IT'S NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF A CERTAIN, UH, POSITION ON THE BALLOT, THAT ELECTION CYCLE.
UM, ONE THING THAT I SHARED WITH TONY WAS A COLLECTION OF DIFFERENT SAMPLES FROM LOCAL JURISDICTIONS ON HOW THEY'VE, UH, PROVIDED EDUCATION ON THEIR WEBSITES.
UM, I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS DONE IN BEAVER CREEK, UM, AND WHAT WAS DONE IN CENTERVILLE WAS A COMBINATION OF PROVIDING
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THE LEGALESE, BUT ALSO PROVIDING, UH, A NEUTRAL Q AND A THAT CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE SIMPLE QUESTIONS ON WHAT IS A CHARTER AMENDMENT AND MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.AND I THINK THOSE IDEAS COULD BE MESHED TOGETHER.
I'M SAYING DO IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, LIKE JUST MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.
'CAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, BATTLING WHAT, WHAT A MOUTH PIECE HAS ONLINE.
SO I THINK FOR US TO HAVE A VOICE ONLINE AS WELL, IN A VERY SUCCINCT
'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA READ THE LEGALESE OR THEY WILL READ PIECES OF IT, NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REALLY MEANS AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE JUST LIKE, IT'S A RECORDED VIDEO RECITING THE TEXT, YOU KNOW, UH, OF, OF THE AMENDMENT SOLELY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOING TO YEAH.
BUT WHEREVER IT'S HOUSED, THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD SENT YET, I WAS IN ANOTHER MEETING.
BUT I'LL SHARE THOSE WITH ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, TOMORROW MORNING.
AND I THINK EACH VIDEO SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS IN PLAIN TERMS. IF YOU WANT TO READ THE FULL DOCUMENT, PLEASE GO HERE AND EITHER DIRECT THEM TO THE CITY WEBSITE OR SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO POST ALL OF THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING IT PLAINLY, BUT ALSO DIRECTING THEM TO GO READ IT IF THEY WANT TO.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST ON THOSE TYPE OF MEDIA OR THOSE TYPE OF SOURCES YOU'RE GONNA USE, UM, HAD THAT COME FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, COMMISSION THAT ARE NOT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THE RESIDENTS, I THINK THAT BOTH, THAT'S THE POINT OF THOSE PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL CITIZENS ARE STEPPING UP AND MAKING SUGGESTIONS.
SO I THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICALLY, BUT ALSO PROVIDES SOME CLARITY BETWEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE CITY VERSUS JUST, UH, OF THIS COMMISSION OR OF AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT.
BUT, AND I THINK AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH VIDEO, IT SHOULD SAY, I AM ONE OF THE FOUR RESIDENTS ON THIS COMMISSION.
NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
I AM A RESIDENT WHO WAS ON THIS COMMISSION.
AND, AND I KNOW IN THE PAST, I'VE ALWAYS POSTED THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE, BUT I ALSO HAVE A DISCLAIMER, WHICH A PREVIOUS ATTORNEY SUGGESTED WE PUT ON THERE THAT SAYS THAT I'M NOT SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT THIS IS MY OPINION, AND THIS IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY.
AND I THINK THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION ON THE, UH, CITY WEBSITE AND ALLOW YOU GUYS TO USE THAT RESOURCE TO POINT PEOPLE TOWARDS THAT.
UM, THAT WAY WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR, SUCCINCT, UM, MESSAGE, UM, THAT INFORMS THE VOTERS OF THE POSITIONS AND MAKES IT FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITHOUT THE, UH, THAT YEAH.
WORRIES THAT YOU'RE ADVOCATING.
AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER IT IS HOUSED, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A QR CODE FOR IT, BECAUSE WE COULD PUT IT UP AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, WE COULD PUT IT UP AT OTHER CITY FACILITIES WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, COME AND GO, I KNOW THE SENIOR CENTER IS MOVING OR WILL BE MOVING.
YOU KNOW, SO PLACES LIKE THAT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE, THEY'LL BE AFTER THE ELECTION BY THEN, THAT THEY'LL BE MOVING.
NOT, BUT I THINK THAT IDEA THAT YOU GUYS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESENT SOME OF THAT, LIKE JORDAN WAS SAYING, I, I THINK IT WAS REALLY WELL RECEIVED WHEN YOU GUYS MADE THE PRESENTATION OF THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
UM, I SAW POSITIVE FEEDBACK BACK ONLINE AND I HEARD A LOT OF, UH, POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE, UH, PERSONALLY ABOUT THAT.
SO, UH, TONY, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WILL HAVE, LIKE, THIS'LL BE ISSUE NUMBER 45, THIS'LL BE ISSUE.
THAT'S USUALLY THEY HAVE IT AROUND, UH, 60 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S, UH, FEWER DAYS THAN THAT.
BUT, UH, IN THAT RANGE, 50 TO 60 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO YEAH.
SAY PUT A NUMBER ON THIS IS ISSUE 45.
HERE'S THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY PUTS A NUMBER TO THEIR ISSUES.
SO YEAH, THEY HAVE TO PUT NUMBERS.
WELL, MIAMI COUNTY DOESN'T EVEN USE NUMBERS.
SO WE CAN SAY CHARTER RECOMMENDED CHANGE SECTION 4.03.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IS THAT CHARTER SECTION.
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HAD NUMBERS.SO FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WE MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT LAYMAN'S TERM MM-HMM.
'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EVEN HAVE TO BE A TIKTOK, THAT CAN BE ONE OF VIDEO.
IT CAN BE JUST, HERE'S A POST THAT WE AS CITIZENS MM-HMM.
OR A VOTE NO MEANS, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL GET CONFUSED.
AM I SUPPOSED TO VOTE YES OR NO? YEAH.
IF YOU'RE FOR THIS AMENDMENT CHANGE, VOTE YES.
HOWEVER, IT'S
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S DOABLE TO COME UP WITH FIVE SHORT VIDEOS, MAYBE SIX.
I I, I DO SEE THE VALUE IN HAVING ONE, SIMPLY EXPLAINING WHAT A CHARTER AMENDMENT CHANGE IS, OR EVEN BACK IT UP TO AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE CHARTER DOES AND WHY WE'RE AMENDING IT RIGHT HERE.
NOW, AND JUST IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY, WELL, YOU JUST CHANGE IT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
WELL, THE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CHARTER AMENDMENTS UNTIL 16 AND 17.
AND, UH, THERE WERE VERY FEW THEN.
I MEAN, THE CHARTER'S NOT BEEN CHANGED A LOT IN THE 40 PLUS YEARS.
SO IT'S NOT DONE JUST WILLY ELLIE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A CONSIDERED MEASURE THAT, UM, IS NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY.
WELL, AND I THINK IT'S FAIR IN THAT VIDEO FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN BY X AMOUNT, THE NEEDS OF THE CITY HAS GROWN WITH IT.
I MEAN, PUTTING SOME NUMBERS BEHIND IT.
'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING BACK IN 2016, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AT LEAST, WHAT, 10, 15,000 PEOPLE LESS.
YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY, 10, 15,000 PEOPLE LARGER NEEDS DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE AN IRISH PUB.
NOW WOULD WE BE ALLOWED AS CITIZENS TO USE LIKE MAYBE SOME FLYERS THAT WE CREATE WITH OUR LAYMAN'S TERMS WITH IT TO PASS OUT AT LOCAL FUNCTIONS LIKE TRUNK OR TREAT THAT'S COMING UP OR, UM, ANY OF THE, ANY OTHER COMMUNITY FUNCTIONS? FUNCTIONS? IF THERE'S A MOVIE NIGHT OR SO YOU AS CONCERT, I SHOULD, YOU AS INDIVIDUAL, UH, MAY, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT IT WOULD NOT SAY IT'S A STATEMENT FROM THE CHARTER, UH, REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, IT'S THAT MATERIALLY PRODUCED BY YOU AS A INDIVIDUAL.
AND I'M GUESSING THAT MEANS WE COULDN'T USE COPIERS OR PAPERS FROM THE CITY TO DO THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OURSELVES.
IT WOULD BE ON YOUR TIME AND YOUR DIME.
ONLY, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN COPY STUFF WOULD BE LIKE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UH, THE TEXT FACTUAL, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
BECAUSE I JUST FIGURED IF WE WERE OUT, WE COULD ANSWER QUESTIONS PERSONALLY.
IF SOMEONE HAD A QUESTION AT TRUNK OR TREAT AND THEY SAW US, CAN WE GET SHIRTS WITH QR CODES ON THE BACK? COULD WE COULD ANSWER A QUESTION? WE CAN DO IT IF IT'S ON OUR DIME.
WELL, WE COULD CHECK WITH SOME, SOME ENTITIES LIKE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR SOMETHING TO SEE IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THE EFFORT.
AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, THE, YOU COULD PASS OUT A FLYER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OR ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION IF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED WAS JUST PURELY INFORMATIVE.
UM, SO IT'S IN, AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO BOTH PROBABLY.
CAN WE, CAN WE DO IT LIKE A TOWN HALL? WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO A INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
BUT I THINK THAT IN THE INSTANCE, IF WE WERE TO DO ONE, I WOULD ADVISE THAT THE, UH, SPEAKERS WOULD BE THE NON, UH, CITY STAFF OR NON-ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE COMMISSION.
ARE THERE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT FOR A TOWN HALL? I'M JUST THINKING OF HOW THINGS GET SAID ONLINE AND WHAT OUR APPROACH SHOULD BE.
SHOULD IT BE SAID IN REAL LIFE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, IS THERE A FORMAL RULE OF, I KNOW WE FOLLOW ROB'S RULES OF ORDERS HERE, BUT IS THERE A FORMAL RULE OF
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ENGAGEMENT FOR A TOWN HALL? YOU CAN SET YOUR RULES.THAT COULD BE MORE INFORMAL OR FORMAL, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT.
AND I'M ASSUMING WE COULD HOST SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE IN THIS ROOM OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, WE JUST PUT A PROBABLY NOTICE OF OUT FIRST.
SO I'M HEARING, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, WE COULD ALSO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THE CITY'S NEWSLETTER, UM, TO, UH, HAVE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT.
AGAIN, TO DO THAT IT WOULD'VE TO BE FACTUALLY BASED.
CAN YOU GO OUT A WATER BILL? UH, A FACTUAL ONE COULD.
THAT WOULD REACH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE WATER BILL, THEY STAGGER THOSE.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER TO MEET THE DEADLINE TO GET OUT TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK IT'S LIKE A 60 DAY OR 75 DAY ROTATION OF STAGGERED BILLS FOR, TO GET AN INSERT INTO THE WATER BILL.
CAN WE POST SOMETHING IN THE Y IS THAT CONSIDERED NEUTRAL OR NO? UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE YI GUESS.
WE COULD ASK THE LIBRARY WHAT THEY ALLOW TO BE SUPPOSED TO.
I IMAGINE THEY HAVE SOME RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, BUT PROBABLY THEY WOULD, YEAH.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW US TO POST JUST WHAT THE CHARTER, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS ARE ON THEIR BULLETIN BOARD, AND THEY DO THAT FOR US FOR LEGISLATION.
LIKE WHEN WE, UM, BEFORE THE MEETING WHEN THERE'S, UH, PROPOSED LEGISLATION.
AND THEN AFTER THE MEETING WITH THE SIGNED LEGISLATION, THE LIBRARY IS ONE OF OUR POINTS OF, UH, LEGAL, UH, NOTICE SO THAT IT'S, THEY, THEY DO POST ALL OF THAT STUFF FOR US.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I MEAN, ONCE THE VIDEOS ARE CREATED, A COUPLE OF US LIVE IN HOAS, IT'D BE REALLY EASY TO POST TO LIKE HOA WEBSITES.
UM, I THINK WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DESIGN THAT CAN BE AS SHAREABLE AS POSSIBLE IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FORMATS IS IMPORTANT SO THAT, UM, SOMEONE COULD TAKE IT AND, YOU KNOW, PUSH IT OUT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE ON YOUR FRIENDS LIST OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TIKTOK WORKS, SO ME EITHER
NOW, ARE THERE ANY VOTER EDUCATION NIGHTS GOING ON ANYWHERE? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY LOCAL ELECTIONS AS FAR AS COUNCIL OR MAYOR, UM, BUT ARE THERE ANY ELECTION NIGHT INFORMATIONAL THINGS GOING ON THAT WE COULD JOIN? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, PRIMARILY THE ONE THAT I KNOW OF IS THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS.
AND, UH, WE DO, UH, WHEN WE HAVE, UH, CANDIDATES FOR CITY COUNCIL, THEY APPROACH US ABOUT DOING THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, THEY'LL ALLOW THAT, BUT WE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CHECK INTO TO, UH, FOR THE ISSUES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO ISSUE, UH, SPECIFIC, UM, TYPES OF CHANGES.
I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD'VE TO DO OURSELVES.
OR MAYBE IF IT'S NOT PART OF THEIR OVERALL THING, MAYBE THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE WILLING TO MODERATE A DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING AT A TOWN HALL.
UM, SO THAT IT, IT WASN'T, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MODERATING THE DISCUSSION THAT POTENTIALLY SOMEONE FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY OR A NEUTRAL ENTITY COULD DO THAT.
HAS ANYONE SEEN ANY PUSHBACK ON ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS BESIDES THE, THE RUNNING FROM A SAFE SEAT? I HAVE NOT.
I THINK WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT OUT, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK ON FACEBOOK.
I THINK THE CITY MANAGER ONE IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE WHO THINK THE CITY MANAGER SHOULD RESIDE IN THE CITY AS A REQUIREMENT OF BEING THE CITY MANAGER.
WELL, THAT'S BEEN OVERRULED BY THE STATE, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CASE LAW AND, AND STUFF BEHIND IT.
AND THEY POINT TO THE CHARTER THAT SAYS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO.
SO, UH, GETTING THAT, UH, CONVEYING THAT INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING TO ENSURE THE CITY MANAGER IS A RESIDENT OF UBER RIGHTS, BUT WE HAVE TO CONFORM WITH THE EXISTING STATE LAW IS, IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE MESSAGE.
AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT FAILED LAST TIME IN 1617 WAS
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PROPOSED CHANGES TO, UH, THE SECTION THAT DEALT WITH THE CITY MANAGER RESIDENCY.I, I THINK SOMEONE BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE ONE ON THE, THE MAYOR'S VOTE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE MESSAGE THERE IS THAT OUR WAY OF DOING IT IS AN ANOMALY.
AND I THINK ALSO, UH, THE POINT IS THAT, UM, WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEONE THAT, UM, MAYBE MANY RESIDENTS ALREADY THINK THE MAYOR DOES VOTE.
DID YOU KNOW OUR MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE A VOTE, BUT HE'S COUNTED IN THE QUORUM.
THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD FIX THAT IN EQUAL BALANCE.
GIVE HIM A VOTE, TAKE AWAY HIS VETOED.
SO IT'S A DONE, IT'S A TRADE OFF OF, UH, AUTHORITY, UH, GIVEN TO THE, TO THE MAYOR THAT THERE'S SOMETHING BEING GIVEN UP IN RETURN.
THE, THE VOTE HEARING THE WAY JEN JUST DESCRIBED THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THESE SHORT VIDEO BURSTS AND THE, UH, PRINTED VERBIAGE THAT WE PUT OUT.
IT HAS TO BE SIMPLE AND DIRECT.
AND WHY, UM, JUST IN READING, UM, UH, THE ONE THAT YOU JUST HANDED US, TONY, I READ THIS AND JUST AS A NON INFORMED VOTER WHO JUST LOOKS AT THIS LANGUAGE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M VOTING FOR HERE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE THIS MAKE SOME SENSE FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON OUT THERE.
SO, AND YOU JUST CUT RIGHT TO IT.
IF THAT MESSAGE CAN BE AT THE HEART OF EACH ONE OF THESE AMENDMENTS, THEN UM, UH, I, I THINK VOTERS WILL UNDERSTAND AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY.
AND I GUESS, JORDAN, MY, MY QUESTION IS, AT WHAT POINT DO WE, UM, TIP TOWARDS ADVOCACY AS OPPOSED TO, UH, JUST EXPLAINING THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE, THE LANGUAGE? I, I THINK IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ASK.
AND IF I HAD AN EASY ANSWER, UM, UH, I WOULD GIVE IT TO YOU.
BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL VERBIAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, TO INFORM REALLY SHOULD BE PROBABLY LESS IS MORE IN THERE THAT YOU'RE, YOU CAN ALWAYS REVERT BACK TO WHAT WE HAVE, UH, GONNA HAVE ON THE BALLOT.
UM, THOSE WERE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WERE TO BE INFORMATIVE AND NOT TO, UH, LEND THE VOTER TO ONE WAY OR NOT.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY WHEN IN DOUBT, REVERT BACK TO THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.
BUT FOR THE CITIZENS THAT ARE ON THIS COMMISSION, WE COULD BE AS SLANTED AS WE'D LIKE.
SEE, I THINK I, I REALLY DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE BEHIND WHY, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ONE ON, UH, UH, THE OFFICE'S COUNCILS MEMBER AND MAYOR, UH, SHALL NOT BE HOLDING, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A TOUGHIE WHEN YOU READ IT, UM, AT THE BALLOT BOX.
BUT IF, UM, ONE OF YOU WERE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, LIKE WE WOULD, IF I RAN INTO YOU AT THE GROCERY STORE, IT WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE TO ME GOING TO THE, UH, TO VOTE ON IT.
I THINK THE EASIEST ONE PROBABLY IS THE, THE ONE THAT CHANGES THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
HUBER WANTS TO BE UP WITH THE TIMES OPPOSITION TO THAT ONE.
WE'RE TRYING TO CHASE TECHNOLOGY UPDATES
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, CHANGING FROM THE, UH, CONSECUTIVE I'LL THAT ONE TO THE NON KENTUCKY THAT EXCUSED ABSENCES AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA THAT IT ONLY TAKES FIVE TO APPOINT A BOARD OR COMMISSION MEMBER, WHICH IS, UH, A VOLUNTEER POSITION, YET IT TAKES SIX TO REMOVE THEM.
AND IT'S THE SAME PROCESS THAT'S INVOLVED WITH REMOVING A SITTING ELECTED ADDITIONAL
SO, UH, THERE'S A DISPARITY THERE THAT I THINK EXISTS THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED.
WELL I WONDER IF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HURRY MM-HMM.
I WONDER IF JUST, I'LL, I'LL SHOOT THIS OUT AND I'LL VOLUNTEER MYSELF.
UM, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO EMAIL ME THOUGHTS ON EACH OF THE PROPOSALS AND WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE ALL KIND OF CONDENSE AND COME WITH SOMETHING AND EMAIL IT BACK OUT SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A
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CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT WAY THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE READY TO SAY YES, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.NO, THIS ISN'T WHAT WE WANT AND WE CAN START PRODUCTION.
START PRINTING ON OUR OWN DIME.
UM, AND GET THIS ROLLING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE TURNED TO SEPTEMBER ON SUNDAY.
AND EARLY VOTING STARTS OCTOBER 6TH, I BELIEVE IT IS.
'CAUSE YOU SAID 30 DAYS BEFORE THE FIFTH, SO IT'D BE OCTOBER 6TH IS WHEN EARLY VOTING CAN START, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MEAN THAT'D BE MORE LIKE MONDAY, OCTOBER 7TH.
UM, SO WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE WE'RE PREPARED AND HAVE THE MESSAGE OUT BY THE, PROBABLY BY LIKE SEPTEMBER 23RD OR SO, JUST TO GIVE THOSE EARLY VOTERS SOME EDUCATION TIME.
SO, AND THEN I COULD BE WORKING ON THE, UH, FACTUAL SIDE OF IT TO DO THE LEGAL NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER AS WELL AS, UH, PREPARE THE WEBSITE AND SOME OF THE, UH, COPIES OF THE PROPOSED TEXT THAT WE CAN USE IN OTHER FORMATS.
AND I WOULD ADVISE, YOU KNOW, ANY OFFICIAL ACTS BY THIS COMMISSION BE ONLY TO THE INFORMATIVE PIECES.
UM, ANYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THE ADVOCACY SHOULD BE DONE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE COMMISSION AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING, THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE RIGHT.
SEVERAL LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE ONLY LANGUAGE REGARDING TO INFORMATIVE BASIS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT THE FOUR CITIZENS, YOU GUYS CAN BE WORKING BEHIND THE, THE SCENES TO DO OUR OTHER ONE.
AND I WOULD LEAVE IT TO ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION YOU WANT TO SHARE, SHARE WITH TONY.
I'M NOT TEACHER IT NOT COVERED BY THAT TEACHER.
UM, AND THEN I'LL PUT A DRAFT TOGETHER, UM, OF ALL THE THOUGHTS FOR, FOR THE ADVOCACY PART.
TONY CAN PUT THE FACTUAL PART AND THEN WE WILL COME TOGETHER, DEAL WITH THE FACTUAL THINGS IN OUR NEXT CHARTER MEETING AND GET THINGS GOING.
BUT THERE'S ONLY FOUR CITIZENS, SO IF WE MET AT SOME POINT THAT'S NOT VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE LAW 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF US.
AND I, I MEAN I KNOW ANGELA'S NOT HERE, BUT DO WE WANNA STICK WITH THE ONES WE PRESENTED WHEN WE, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
IF YOU SEND THOUGHTS ON ALL OF 'EM, IT'D BE NICE TO JUST, AND, AND THOMAS, SAME THING.
IF YOU SEND THOUGHTS ON ALL OF 'EM, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS AND THEN KIND OF PUT IT, MASSAGE IT INTO ONE MM-HMM.
I SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE THINKING YES, YOU SHOULD
IF WE CREATE A, UH, QR CODE FOR LIKE THE WEBSITE AND FACTUAL INFORMATION, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT IT ON THEIR ADVOCACY INFORMATION? PROBABLY.
SO IT IS GONNA BE, UH, A LINK TO A CITY WEBSITE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, PURELY INFORMATIVE INFORMATION.
UH, ANYTHING THAT DEALS WITH ADVOCACY SHOULD BE DONE ON A PRIVATE PAGE OR NO.
SO THE LINK TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE SHOULD NOT BE ON ANYTHING THEY'RE DOING? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I DO HAVE KIND OF LIKE THAT LEGAL QUESTION.
IF WE GIVE A CONDENSED VERSION IN PLAIN LANGUAGE, NOT ADVOCATING SOMEONE VOTE YES OR NO, BUT JUST, JUST LIKE I SAID LIKE THREE SENTENCES REALLY QUICK, THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS.
THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED ADVOCACY.
'CAUSE WE ARE SHORTENING, I THINK IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED RATIONALE BECAUSE YOU'RE OKAY.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RATIONALIZING OKAY.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE WILL HAVE EXAMPLES THAT I'VE SENT TONY HE'LL SHARE WITH YOU OKAY.
OF WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.
THAT'S THAT PURELY INFORMATIVE PIECE, BUT ALSO PROVIDES Q AND AS OR PROVIDES UH, NEUTRAL EXPLANATIONS.
UM, I THINK I SAID IT'S TOUGH TO SPECULATE OR HAVE HYPOTHETICALS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE BEING USED.
BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT HE WILL BE OUR SENSOR AND WE JUST HAVE FOR REVIEW, I NEED YOU TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO.
AND I, I THINK UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING FURTHER, I THINK THAT ALSO COVERED OUR ACTION ITEMS. 'CAUSE OUR TRACKING FORM WAS EMPTY.
THE TRACKING JUST COMES DOWN TO, WE'VE NOW CREATED FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO, UM, I'LL HAVE KAREN EXPEDITE THE MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE OPTIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR VOTER EDUCATION.
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CAN, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA DO WHAT AND GIVING THAT UP.BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU GETTING AN EARLY START ON THIS.
UH, LEADING UP TO OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND THERE'S THE ISSUE ABOUT WHEN THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT.
I WAS GONNA ASK, DO WE WANT TO TRY TO TACKLE WHEN OUR NEXT MEETING COULD POSSIBLY BE? AND IF YOU EVENTUALLY DECIDE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING, UM, FIXING THAT DATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WOULD PROBABLY BE BENEFICIAL AS WELL.
SO UHM GONNA GET HERE TO THE, YOU HAVE THE MASTER CALENDAR, SO YEAH, I'M GONNA, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING UP HERE.
I EVEN THOUGHT OF A HASHTAG CITIZENS FOR CHARTER CHANGES.
'CAUSE IT'S, YOU COULD ALMOST DO THE THREE CS CCC.
UM, SO THE FIRST, WELL THAT'S NEXT WEEK, SO WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE READY THEN.
BUT, UM, THE EARLIEST DATE THAT I CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT, UM, THERE'S NOT USE IN THIS ROOM WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 11TH, WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN IF NEEDED, WE COULD HAVE A FOLLOW UP, MEANING THE, A WEEK LATER ON THE 18TH I CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
OR THERE'S AN, OR THERE'S AN OPEN SLIDE ON THE 24TH OF SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS A TUESDAY.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S, UH, PRETTY WELL BOOKED IN HERE FOR SEPTEMBER.
UM, THAT'S GONNA PUSH IT IF YOU GO THAT LATE.
WELL, I WAS, I WAS SUGGESTING IT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE ONE ON THE 11TH IF THAT WORKS.
AND THEN IF YOU NEED ANOTHER ONE, YOU COULD HAVE EITHER THE 18TH OR 24TH.
AND UM, THEN YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER LIKE THE, UM, PEOPLE GONNA DO A TOWN HALL TO LOOK AT SAY LIKE MRS. OPEN ON UH, SEPTEMBER 30TH AND OCTOBER 1ST.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE, THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO LAST DATES.
THIS ROOM'S AVAILABLE PRIOR TO EARLY VOTING.
DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WOULD COME HERE? DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MEET THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY? WE HAVE DONE, UH, FOR OUR LEVY CAMPAIGNS FOR THE CITY, UH, WE'VE USED THE SENIOR CENTER.
UM, AND THERE'S A COUPLE ADVANTAGES TO DOING THAT.
AND MAYBE YOU DO TWO SEPARATE EVENTS, BUT, UM, TRADITIONALLY THE SENIOR CITIZEN VOTERS HAVE, UH, BEEN MORE INCLINED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY'S EFFORTS.
UM, I, NANCY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM DOWN THERE, I DON'T, I THINK THEY'D BE RECEPTIVE TO THE INFORMATION IF WE PRESENTED SOMETHING AT THE SENIORS ZONE.
AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE APOLITICAL.
YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND ADVOCATE FOR IT.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE 11.
AND, AND TRY TO GET IT ON DAY.
SO DON'T LIKE THAT'S A SEPARATE THING OR YEAH.
HAVING THE TOWN HALL THERE OR WHATEVER.
BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, DOWN IN POWELL TOO.
THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, JUST THINKING LIKE THE ATTENDANCE TO THESE MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGHLY INVESTED IN IT STILL HAS BEEN VERY LOW.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD, UH, BE THE ADVANTAGE HERE IS WE COULD BROADCAST IT RIGHT.
AND RECORD IT, WHICH YOU WOULDN'T HAVE.
I WOULD SUGGEST DOING ONE AT THE SENIOR CENTER TO CAPTURE THAT COMMUNITY AND THEN DOING ONE HERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RELUCTANT TO GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER SO FAR OUT THAT IT MIGHT DETER
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PEOPLE FROM GOING.SO IF WE COULD HAVE ONE INFORMATIONAL SESSION IN EACH ONE, I JUST THINK YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO, TO READ GOOD BENEFITS FROM THE SENIOR CENTER THING BECAUSE THE ONE THEY, THEY VOTED AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION.
AND, UM, BECAUSE OF OUR CONNECTION WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE SENIOR CENTER, THEY, UH, AND THE CITY'S SUPPORT OF THAT, THEY TEND TO BE ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE OF INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY IS UNDERTAKING.
AND THREE OF US HERE ARE MEMBERS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER 11TH.
IS THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? IT WORKS FOR THE FIVE OF US IN THE ROOM.
MY GUARANTEES A QUO GUARANTEES A QUORUM AND HOPEFULLY THE OTHER THREE CAN, CAN MAKE IT ON THAT NIGHT AS WELL.
AND WE'LL NEED TO, UM, TO LOCK DOWN THE DATES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY SESSIONS.
I, I COULD TALK TO UH, PAT AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND THEN LIKE I SAID, FOR HERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK SEPTEMBER 30 30TH OR OCTOBER 1ST OR THE BEST DATES THAT GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME FOR PREPARATION FOR THAT, BUT ALSO, UM, THE ROOM AVAILABLE AND THAT IT WOULD JUST BE RIGHT PRIOR TO THE START OF EARLY VOTING.
YOU MIGHT ASK PAM WHAT SHE THINKS ABOUT DOING ONE AFTER, ON A TUESDAY AFTER BINGO.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE A PACKED OUT PLACE FOR BINGO.
AND UM, EVEN IF THEY WENT OUT AND GRABBED SOMETHING TO EAT BETWEEN, AND THAT'S USUALLY ENDS ABOUT THREE 30, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY START AT ONE AND THEN I THINK IT WON'T EITHER OF YOU.
AND THEN THEY ARE PACKED AND WE COULD PUT LIKE, UM, THE FACTUAL SHEETS WITH THE INFORMATION LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST A STACK OF THEM HERE, CITY HALL, UH, THE SENIOR CENTER, FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT JUST PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING.
WE COULD DO THAT AT THE CITY AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST PROVIDING THE TEXT AND, AND ACTUALLY, UM, FOR THE SENIORS, IF WE PUT SOME FLYERS, UM, IN THEIR ADVERTISING IT AND HAS THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME, EVEN IF THEY DON'T ATTEND IT MIGHT SPUR 'EM TO ATTEND.
IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THEY CAN TAKE IT HOME AND READ IT.
JORDAN, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU OR SARAH COULD PROVIDE BREACH CHARTER AMENDMENT A, A, A LEGAL LEGALLY APPROPRIATE RATIONALE RATHER THAN US TRYING TO WRITE IT AND THEN HAVE YOU GUYS CUT IT APART AND UH, TELL US WE CAN'T DO IT? LIKE, IS THERE A WAY THAT JUST LIKE THESE COULD BE SUMMARIZED IN LAYMAN'S TERMS? I THINK LEGALLY APPROPRIATE AS FACTUAL? I THINK, UM, AS LONG AS IT'S THE, UH, THE WISH OF THE COMMISSION THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DRAFT A Q AND A SIMILAR TO WHAT PAPER CREEK'S PROVIDED.
THAT CAN BE UTILIZED IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FORMATS.
'CAUSE I THINK THEN WE'RE DOING THE LEGAL VETTING OF IT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE CREATING IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN US GOING IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND YOU HAVE TO BRING IT IN OR WHATEVER, UH, THAT MAYBE IT WOULD JUST, YEAH.
I, I GET NERVOUS ABOUT THE, THE RATIONALE COMPONENT, BUT UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO, BUT THE Q AND A OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, BUT SOME WAY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND TO DON'S POINT, UM, THE ISSUE IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, UH, WITHOUT READING THE WHOLE TEXT.
ANYTHING ELSE? UHM NOTHING FROM ME.
THEN I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT SIX 50.