[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO SAFE HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
WE'RE GETTING STARTED AT 6 0 2, AND THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU'D CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
SO I KNOW, UH, EXCUSED ABSENCES AREN'T NEEDED AT WORK SESSIONS.
UH, FRED LET US ALL KNOW HE WAS NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE THIS EVENING, AND I BELIEVE MS. KITCHEN, UH, HAS, UH, LET TONY KNOW SHE'LL BE HERE ABOUT MAYBE 15, 30 MINUTES LATE THIS EVENING, SO CORRECT.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
OKAY.SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, AND WE HAVE ONE SET FROM JULY 2ND, 2024.
THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE.
IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, CASE NONE IN THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
NEXT UP IS AT NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.WE'LL START WITH ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.
AND JOHN, GOOD TO SEE YOU SEAT.
YES, MAYOR, HOW ARE YOU? VERY GOOD, MAYOR.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS TO DISCUSS, BUT, UH, UM, AS YOU ALL CAME IN TONIGHT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST HIGHLIGHTS YOU'LL SEE, UM, IS THE CHANGE IN THE, UH, PAINT SCHEME OUTSIDE.
UM, IF YOU MISS THE MONSTROSITY THAT'S OUT THERE AS HE'S PAINTING, IT'S THE LIFT TRUCK'S STILL OUT THERE.
SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, MIKE'S, UH, DOING, HE, WE ARE UPDATING THE, UM, COLOR SCHEMES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR BUILDINGS CURRENTLY.
SO THIS BUILDING'S CURRENTLY BEING PAINTED.
UM, LATER THIS FALL, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING, AND THEN ALSO THE COURTS BUILDING WILL ALL GET THE SAME PAINT SCHEME THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON IN SOME OF THE PARK STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
SO JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, COUPLE PARKS AND REC HIGHLIGHTS.
ONE WAS FROM THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE DID HAVE A, UM, MUSIC EVENT FOR OUR SUMMER MUSIC SERIES.
UM, SARAH REPORTED ABOUT 250 PEOPLE WERE IN ATTENDANCE.
I KNOW MS. BAKER, YOU WERE THERE.
UM, THE NEXT THING WE'VE GOT COMING UP IS ALSO AT EEL BERGER.
IT'S GONNA BE THIS COMING WEEKEND.
UM, WE ARE CALLING THIS, UH, PART OF THE MOVIE SERIES, UH, CHRISTMAS IN JULY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DO THE GRINCH, UM, MOVIE, HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS.
UM, THEY ARE GONNA ALSO PROBABLY HAVE SOME, UH, GUESTS TO ARRIVE.
YOU'LL GET TO SEE SANTA AND THE GRINCH IN JULY, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
SO, UH, THAT'LL BE, UM, UH, THIS WEEKEND.
UM, ALSO, UM, TONY SENT SOMETHING OUT EARLIER, BUT WE DO HAVE A, UM, UH, SHREDDING EVENT COMING UP, UM, FOR EVERYBODY.
ON SATURDAY, IT'S GONNA BE FROM NINE TO 11.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE AT CLOUD PARK.
THERE'S ALSO ONE AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, AND I KNOW TONY'S SHAMELESSLY LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS TO ASSIST.
SO
UM, THE LAST THING I'LL BRING UP HERE, UM, JUST TO, JUST FOR SOME ITEMS, BECAUSE I DID GET SOME EMAILS OVER THE WEEKEND.
SO WE HAD AN ISSUE, UM, WITH THE, UM, UH, SERVICE SIDE OF THINGS LAST WEEK.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO START HYDRANT FLUSHING, UM, RAN INTO AN ISSUE, STOPPED MIDSTREAM.
AND, UM, SO THEY STARTED AGAIN ON MONDAY.
THAT HAS CREATED, OBVIOUSLY, SOME, SOME TURBULENCE IN THE SYSTEM ITSELF, AS IT ALWAYS DOES SOME DISCOLORATION OF WATER.
UM, SO, UM, THE BIG THING I'VE TOLD MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL IS IF YOU'LL NOTIFY VEOLIA, THEY WILL ASSIST YOU.
THEY'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE, WE'VE GOT SOME ON HOURS, UM, AND ALSO THEY WILL COME OUT IF YOU THINK IT'S ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE SYSTEM AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT RESOLVED, THEY'LL COME OUT AND ASSIST YOU WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU WANNA HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? OKAY, THANK YOU.
[ Charter Review Commission - Proposed City Charter Amendments]
NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND THOSE PROPOSED CITY CHARTER AMENDMENTS.SO THE COUNCIL HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, WE HAD THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHO PRESENTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, PROPOSED CITY CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
UM, THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT WE WOULD BRING THOSE BACK FOR SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION TONIGHT BEFORE CONSIDERING, UH, PLACING THE ORDINANCE THAT, UH, DIRECTS THOSE TO THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, UM, FOR THE ELECTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, BUT, UM, WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY GROUPINGS THAT THERE'S SOME OF 'EM THAT HAVE A RELATED SUBJECT MATTER, UH, AMONGST THE AMENDMENTS, AND THERE'S SOME THAT ARE KIND OF INTERTWINED, SO THAT IF, UM, YOU WERE TO CHANGE ONE COMPONENT OF THE CHARTER, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ALSO CHANGE SEVERAL OTHER COMPONENTS.
SO THOSE WERE GROUPED SO THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE PASSED TOGETHER, UH, TO, TO, UH, ENACT THE RECOMMENDATION IN AN EFFECTIVE, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
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MATT SHOPPER IS HERE, UH, IS THE CHAIR OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND I THINK WE'RE BOTH AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.UH, JORDAN'S HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT, UM, IN THE DRAFTING OF THE LEGISLATION AND THE AMENDMENTS.
SO, UM, HE'S ALSO AVAILABLE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE TO, UH, OFFER INSIGHT.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS BACK, AS TONY SAID, FROM OUR LAST DISCUSSION, TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, CLEAR ANYTHING UP OR MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE DECIDE TO MOVE THESE ON TO, UM, TO THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR PASSAGE, UH, SO WE CAN GET THEM ONTO THE ACTUAL, UH, ONTO THE BALLOT.
SO, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER KIND OF REVIEWING THESE AND, AND LOOKING OVER THEM? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYONE NEEDS CLARIFICATION ON? MR. WEBB, DID YOU WANT TO BRING UP THE ONE ISSUE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, YES, SIR.
ARE YOU CERTIFICATION OF THE COMPLAINT? UM, YEAH.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, UM, UM, AT THE TIME THE PETITION WAS FILED AS A YEAH.
UH, YEAH, IT WAS JUST A, UH, MATT, YOU'LL RECALL THAT.
UM, SINCE YOU RECALL WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, I THINK MY INITIAL SUGGESTION ON THE, UM, UM, UH, THE TIMING WAS THAT IT WOULD BE WHEN THE PETITIONS WERE CERTIFIED.
AND, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT THE ATTORNEY CAME BACK TO US WITH WAS, UH, WHEN THE PETITIONS WERE FILED.
AND, UH, IN DISCUSSING THIS WITH, UH, UH, CLERK OF COUNSEL, THE CERTIFICATION OF THE PETITIONS WOULD NARROW THAT WINDOW CONSIDERABLY OF THE, THE TIME REMAINING, UM, UH, BEFORE THE ELECTION.
AM I EXPLAINING THAT CLEARLY ENOUGH, TONY? YEAH.
AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S, UH, INFORMATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECTION 4 0 3, UH, OF THE CITY CHARTER, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR, UH, CANDIDATES FOR OFFICE OF MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
AND I, I GUESS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR FROM COUNSEL WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UH, IT DOES MAKE SENSE AFTER, UH, TALKING WITH KIRKER COUNSEL, IF WE CHANGE IT FROM, UM, UH, AT THE TIME THE PETITIONS ARE FILED, WHICH IS, UH, I SEE OUR, OUR, UM, LEGAL COUNSEL OVER THERE.
THAT WAS A SUGGESTION FROM LEGAL COUNSEL WAS THAT WHEN THE PETITIONS ARE FILED, UH, IF WE CHANGE THAT TO WHEN THE PETITIONS ARE CERTIFIED.
TONY, YOU CAME UP WITH A, UH, A TIMEFRAME ON THAT.
UH, DO YOU RECALL WHAT THAT WAS? WELL, UH, THE, THE, UH, FILING OF THE NOMINATION PETITION CAN TAKE PLACE, UH, UP TO 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE, UH, PRIMARY ELECTION.
SO, UH, IF THE LANGUAGE WAS TO BE CHANGED, UH, TO, UH, WHEN THEIR NOMINATION PETITION IS CERTIFIED BY THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, UH, THAT'S GENERALLY 30 DAYS, UM, AFTER THE FILING DEADLINE.
UM, SO, UM, IN EITHER CASE, UH, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE LANGUAGE, IT WOULD STILL PRECLUDE, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR WHO'S HOLDING OFFICE FROM, UM, FILING A PETITION FOR ANOTHER COUNCIL OR MAYOR'S OFFICE, UNLESS THEY WERE IN THE LAST YEAR OF THEIR CURRENT TERM, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT, UM, THEY COULDN'T RUN FOR TWO OFFICES SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU LISTENING, WHO MIGHT WONDER, WHAT THE HECK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, UH, KNOWN ON COUNCIL, AND IT'S BEEN DONE SINCE THE CHARTER'S INCEPTION.
AND THAT IS WHAT'S CALLED RUNNING FROM A SAFE SEAT.
IF I, UH, I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN DO IT.
IF I WERE TO RUN FOR MAYOR, I CAN RUN AGAINST THE MAYOR IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION, AND IF I LOSE, I KEEP MY SEAT.
HOWEVER, IF, UM, ANITA WERE TO RUN AGAINST THE MAYOR, ANITA AND THE MAYOR ARE IN THE SAME CYCLE.
SO ANITA RUNNING AGAINST THE MAYOR GIVES UP HER SEAT.
SO IN ORDER TO CREATE SOME EQUITY AND ALSO TO ELIMINATE THAT, THAT ISSUE, WHICH I CONSIDER TO BE A PRETTY SEVERE ONE, YOU CAN RUN FROM, I CAN RUN AGAINST THE MAYOR.
I CAN RUN AGAINST AN AT LARGE, FROM MY SAFE SEAT, KNOWING I CAN WREAK ALL THIS HAVOC AND THEN RETURN TO MY COUNCIL POSITION AND UNFORTUNATELY CONTINUE TO WREAK HAVOC FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS WHILE I'M SITTING HERE HAVING LOST RUNNING AGAINST, UH, OUR MAYOR.
SO THAT'S A REASON BEHIND THE WHOLE, UM, UH, THE WHOLE CHANGE IN THE CHARTER.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT, IT IS A LITTLE CLEANER
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IF WE SAY WHEN THE PETITIONS ARE CERTIFIED AS OPPOSED TO WHEN THE PETITIONS ARE FILED.AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT WHAT COUNCIL'S CONSIDERING HERE TODAY IS, IS TO PLACE AN ORDINANCE TO PLACE THESE AMENDMENTS BEFORE THE VOTERS.
UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE THESE AMENDMENTS GO INTO EFFECT BY TAKING THE VOTE THAT WILL BE TAKEN AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY.
IT'S JUST TO PUT THE DECISION TO THE VOTERS AND ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
'CAUSE SOMEONE COULD, SOMEONE COULD FILE THEIR PETITIONS REALLY AS EARLY AS CHRISTMAS AND AS LATE AS, USUALLY IT'S THAT FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY, BECAUSE THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY IS THE PRIMARY.
SO THERE COULD BE ANOTHER TWO MONTHS THERE.
OR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY FILED THEIR PETITIONS EVEN IN NOVEMBER BEFORE THANKSGIVING, THEY COULD, SO, BUT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE CERTIFIED UNTIL PROBABLY SOMETIME THE BEGINNING OF MARCH, WHICH WOULD BE 30 DAYS AFTER THE FILING DEADLINE.
SO IT WOULD GIVE THEM THAT, THAT EXTRA TIME.
SO I, I THINK THE PETITION, CERTIFICATION LANGUAGE PROBABLY MAKES SENSE.
AND JUST ONE MORE POINT WOULD BE THAT UNTIL THE PETITIONS ARE CERTIFIED, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.
SO, UH, JUST FILING MY PETITIONS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PETITIONS WILL BE CERTIFIED.
IF IN MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GIVE YOU A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT YES, YOUR SIGNATURES LOOK PRETTY VALID AND EVERYTHING LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT IS THE ACT OF CERTIFICATION THAT PUTS ME ON THE BALLOT.
SARAH JORDAN, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH MAKING THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE? NO, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES.
I, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH FILING OR CERTIFICATION DOESN'T MATTER.
LEGALLY SPEAKING, IT'S DEFINITELY MORE OF A, UM, SORT OF POLITICAL ISSUE AS FAR AS WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO RECOMMEND TO HAVE THE CITIZENS VOTE ON.
SO HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT, UM, COUNCIL'S ADVISING.
AND MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE, UM, WHETHER THIS WOULD JUST, THE CURRENT LEADER SAYS THAT IT WOULD BE AT THE TIME OF THEIR, UH, NO MANY PETITIONS FOR ALL THE OTHER QUALIFICATIONS ARE IN, UM, 4 0 3 MM-HMM.
SO WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO HAVE THE, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THE RESIGN, THE RUN LANGUAGE, BE TIED TO THE, UH, TO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, WHAT WEBB IS PROPOSING, OR WOULD WE CHANGE THE ENTIRE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE QUALIFIED AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS.
WHY WOULD YOU THINK WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE QUALIFICATIONS? UH, JUST IN THE READING OF THE LEGISLATION, THE LEGISLATION STARTS OFF WITH, UM, THAT ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS LISTED IN THE PARAGRAPH ARE SET AT THE TIME OF NOMINATING PETITIONS.
UM, SO WE'RE STATING THIS SEPARATE TIMELINE FOR THIS ONE QUAL CONDITION.
IT'LL JUST HAVE THAT LABOR JUST HAVE TO REFLECT THAT WHETHER WE WILL ALL WANT ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE SET, THE TIME THAT THE PETITION IS, UM, CERTIFIED.
CERTIFIED, OR IF IT'S THE TIME THAT YOU'RE NOMINATED, JUST WE WANT THAT TO BE UNIFORM OR TO HAVE THIS BE TWO SEPARATE.
WELL, I THINK THE QUALIFY, THE OTHER QUALIFICATIONS ARE SET IN THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO EVEN FILE A PETITION.
UM, OR IT WOULD BE RULED INVALID AT, AT THE TIME OF CERTIFICATION BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO IN MY MIND.
WHAT ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD JUST SEPARATE 'EM OUT IN A DIFFERENT PARAGRAPH.
IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPERATING UNDER DIFFERENT TIMELINES TO, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
WHAT WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE CAN MAKE IT CLEAR AND HAVE THOSE BE SEPARATE THEN.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK I CAN WORK WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND WE CAN COME UP WITH, UH, THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE COUNSEL WISHES TO GO INTO.
WELL, THE OTHER PARAGRAPH WE DISCUSSED THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING IT IN INSTEAD OF THE FOUR SECTION FOUR, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, SO I CAN'T REFERENCE IT.
SO WE COULD WHAT TO NANCY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN ANOTHER SECTION OF, UH, SECTION FOUR.
UH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, MATT? DID YOU HAVE THE, WE WERE BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PUTTING IT IN SECTION FOUR OR PUTTING IT IN.
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I STILL THINK THAT ELIGIBILITY IS PROBABLY THE, THE APPROPRIATE SECTION TO HAVE IT, BUT OKAY.IT JUST MIGHT BE HOW WE STRUCTURE IT WITHIN THAT SECTION.
SCOTT? YEAH, JUST, UH, TALK ABOUT SECTION 4 0 3.
UM, AS PER OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME, THE ISSUES I HAD WITH IT IS FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHER FOUR, IT'S NOT FAIR ON BOTH THE SECTIONS OF FOUR, NO MATTER WHAT YEAR FALLS ON.
ALSO, THE PROBLEM I HAD IS IF YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR SEAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY THREE OR FOUR SEATS OPEN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE COUNSEL WOULD'VE TO FILL THOSE SEATS.
AND IF IT COMES FOR THAT YEAR, IT'S TOO LATE FOR THEM TO EVEN FILE TO EVEN RUN FOR THAT SEAT.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLUSTER'S GOING TO COME IN IF THAT EVER HAPPENS.
BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S PROPOSED, UM, YOU WOULD EITHER BE FILING FOR REELECTION TO YOUR CURRENT SEAT, OR YOU WOULD BE FILING FOR RE OR ELECTION TO A DIFFERENT SEAT.
IT, IT, IN THAT RESPECT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO JUST GIVE YOU EXAMPLE, IF I WAS RUNNING FOR A DIFFERENT SEAT, UM, WELL, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE FOUR THAT WOULD HAVE THE SAME, UM, RUNNING FOR THAT POSITION, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE ON A MAYOR'S CYCLE OF FOUR.
SO IF YOU RUN FOR THAT AND SAY IT'S GONNA BE MARCH WHEN YOU FINALLY GET CERTIFIED AND YOU HAVE TO FILL THAT SEAT, WELL THAT'S A FOUR YEAR TERM THAT THAT SEAT WOULD'VE TO GO.
THEY COULD NOT RUN OR EVEN CERTIFIED BEFORE THAT TIMEFRAME BEFORE.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE CHANGING IT.
SO IT'S NOT MARCH THAT IT'S WHEN THEY ACTUALLY FILE A PETITION, WHICH WOULD BE AT THE LATEST IN FEBRUARY.
WELL, YOU STILL WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FILE FOR, TO RUN FOR TWO POSITIONS AT THE, AT THE SAME ELECTION.
WELL, I'M NOT SAYING RUN FOR TWO POSITIONS.
I'M SAYING WHOEVER FILLS THE SEAT THAT YOU HAVE TO STEP DOWN FROM.
BUT THERE WOULD BE, YOU'RE NOT STEPPED DOWN.
THERE'D STILL BE TWO AND A HALF YEARS LEFT OF THEIR TERM.
NOT IF IT'S ON THE SAME CYCLE.
THEY CAN'T RUN FOR COUNCIL AND MAYOR AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THE WAY NO ONE WOULD BE STEPPING DOWN AND CREATING A VACANCY UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, THEY WOULD SERVE OUT THE REMAINDER OF THEIR CURRENT TERM.
AND THEN IF THEY CHOSE TO, INSTEAD OF FILING TO SEEK REELECTION FOR THEIR EXISTING POSITION, THEY WOULD CHANGE TO ANOTHER ONE.
IT WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD ONLY DO THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE LAST YEAR OF YOUR TERM, WHICH WOULD GO TILL THE END OF THE YEAR, TILL DECEMBER 31ST.
AND THEN IF YOU WERE ELECTED TO THE NEW POSITION, THEN YOU WOULD START THAT TERM J JANUARY 1ST OF THE NEXT YEAR.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, ANITA AND MAYOR'S ON THE SAME CYCLE.
SO SHE PUTS HER PETITION IN, IT'S CERTIFIED IN FEBRUARY.
THE WAY IT'S STATING RIGHT NOW, SHE WOULD'VE TO STEP DOWN FOR THAT TO RUN FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION FOR MAYOR.
SHE WOULD, THE WAY, THE WAY IT SAYS IS THAT SHE COULDN'T FILE, ANITA COULDN'T FILE TO RUN FOR MAYOR BECAUSE, UM, IT, SHE WOULD NOT BE IN THE LAST YEAR OF HER CURRENT TERM, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE LAST YEAR OF HER CURRENT TERM.
SHE WOULD, SHE WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE SHE'S GONNA RUN FOR.
'CAUSE SHE CAN'T, I HAVE TWO POSITIONS.
BUT, SO SHE COULDN'T RUN FOR HER COUNCIL SEAT ANYWAY.
AND SINCE SHE'S IN THE LAST YEAR, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP HER SEAT.
IF THEY'RE IN THE LAST YEAR OF THEIR CURRENT TERM, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR SEAT.
THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN IS IF, IF MR. WEBB THE OPPOSITE SIDE, CHOSE TO GO AGAINST MAYOR GORE, HE WOULD HAVE TO THEN GIVE UP HIS SEAT.
'CAUSE HE'S NOT IN HIS LAST YEAR.
AND DO YOU SEE HOW FOUR PEOPLE ARE AN ADVANTAGED AND FOUR PEOPLE ARE? THAT'S MY POINT IS YOU DON'T HAVE ONLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE MAYOR, THERE'S AN AT LARGE IN EACH ELECTION CYCLE THAT LIKE YOU COULD CHOOSE TO RUN, WHO'S THE, AT LARGE NANCY ATTORNEY.
YOU COULD CHOOSE TO RUN AGAINST NANCY FROM A SAFE SEAT, BUT THIS WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
YOU'RE JUST NOT IN THE SAME CYCLE AS THE MAYOR.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, AND IT'S, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS AS A COMMITTEE, WE FELT THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT, WHERE THERE WERE FIVE PEOPLE CAMPAIGNING FROM THE DIOCESE OUTTA NINE THAT COULD NOT GET ALONG FROM THE MOMENT THEY FILED UP THROUGH THE ELECTION.
AND THEN WHEN THE THREE LOST TO THE TWO INCUMBENTS, THOSE THREE WERE VERY DISENGAGED.
DISENGAGED IS A GREAT TERM, THANK YOU FOR THEIR REMAINING TWO YEARS.
AND THE CITY BUSINESS WAS NOT COMPLETED.
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THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS FORWARD.ARE THERE GONNA BE SOME THINGS THAT COME OUT LIKE THAT IS UNFAIR TO YOU? MAYBE, BUT I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE.
NO, I, I'M JUST GIVING MY OPINION WHERE RIGHT.
IT'S NOT FAIR ON ALL EIGHT MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
THAT'S NOT FAIR WHEN IT COMES TO THE MAYOR.
BUT, BUT AS FAR AS THE AT LARGE POSITIONS, IT'S EQUAL BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS AN AT LARGE POSITION THAT'S IN THEIR CYCLE AND NOT IN THEIR CYCLE.
THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FAIR FOR IS THE MAYOR.
BUT IF I GO BACK TO ANITA, IF SHE WAITS, SHE COULD WAIT TO CERTIFY.
AND THEN ONCE SHE DOES THAT AND THAT SEAT IS GONNA BE VACANT, THAT'S A FOUR YEAR TERM TO FILL THAT SEAT.
'CAUSE SHE CAN'T, SHE CAN'T CERTIFY IN TWO POSITIONS.
YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO ER, SHE'S NOT CERTIFYING BACK FOR HER, HER WARRANT.
I'M NOT SAYING SHE'S GOING TO CERTIFY FOR HER AWARD.
AND ONCE SHE CERTIFIES FOR MAYOR, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA CERTIFY IN HER WARD BECAUSE NOW HER WARD IS WIDE OPEN AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA KNOW HER WARD IS WIDE OPEN.
'CAUSE SHE'S GONNA ANNOUNCE RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
SO SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA STEP AND RUN UP AND RUN FOR ELECTION IN HER WARD.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A POSITION YOU HAVE TO FILL OR, OR CAN'T YOU WAIT AND DO A WRITE IN, WHICH IS EVEN LATER.
YOU COULD, THAT'S EVEN LATER IN THE YEAR.
YOU COULD, AND THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, SHE CAN'T RUN FOR HER COUNCIL POSITION.
I'M, I'M NOT SAYING SHE CAN RUN FOR HER COUNSEL.
I'M SAYING IF SHE WAITED FOR EVEN A WRITE-IN, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT EVEN LATER, THAT WOULD NOT GIVE PEOPLE TO FILL THAT SEAT, WHICH HAS GIVEN THAT UP.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A POINT I HAD, BUT, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE TWO YEARS REMAINING.
AND IT, YOU'RE UTILIZING IN THE CHURCH, ANITAS WOULD BE FOUR.
SO THEREFORE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD BE RUNNING, BUT IT WOULD BE TOO LATE FOR THEM TO EVEN CERTIFY IF YOU WAIT FOR EVEN THE LATEST POINT.
BUT SCOTT, ISN'T IT THAT WAY NOW? IT'S, IT'S THAT WAY.
RIGHT NOW IF ANITA WAITS AND RUNS FOR MAYOR, SHE COULD, SHE COULD PUT OFF UNTIL, UM, THE LAST MINUTE TO SUBMIT A PETITION AND CERTIFY.
BUT THEN YOU STILL HAVE FOUR COUNSEL AND THE OTHER FOUR STILL NOT EVEN.
I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO ELIMINATE THAT WOULD BE TO HAVE ALL THE TERMS RUN CONCURRENTLY.
AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COMMUNITY THAT DOES THAT.
THEY'RE USUALLY STAGGERED SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ENTIRE COUNCIL POTENTIALLY CHANGING IN ONE ELECTION.
SO, AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT WHEN, UH, WE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
MARK SCOTT, I'M GONNA TAKE THE OPPOSITE POSITION THAN YOU ARE, MATT.
I CAN'T RUN FROM A SAFE SEAT AGAINST THE MAYOR OR A COUNCIL PERSON AT LARGE IF THIS CHANGE PASSES.
SO IF I'M IN THAT SITUATION, BUT I HAVE COLLEAGUES THAT CAN, THERE'S WHERE I THINK THE UNFAIRNESS COMES IN.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS BEING MORE FAIR THAN THE WAY THINGS ARE SET UP TODAY.
IF ANITA WOULD RUN FOR MAYOR AND LOSE, SHE WOULDN'T BE HER WARD REPRESENTATIVE ANYMORE.
BECAUSE SHE'S RUNNING IN THE SAME CYCLE AS THE MAYOR.
AND WE'RE EVEN, WE'RE MAKING THINGS MORE, EVEN MORE FAIR BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO ISN'T UP AT THE SAME TIME AS THE MAYOR OR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AT LARGE HAS TO GIVE UP THEIR SEAT JUST LIKE ANITA WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP HER SEAT TO RUN AGAINST THE MAYOR OR AN AT LARGE COUNCIL PERSON.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THIS MORE FAIR CORRECT.
SARAH, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? WELL, RESPECTFULLY, I TEND NOT TO GET INTO
YOU KNOW, POLITICAL OPINIONS, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I DO THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME UNFAIRNESS.
UM, THERE'S, AND SO, AND IN SOME INSTANCES IT JUST MAY NOT BE AVOIDABLE.
UM, AND SO TO YOUR POINT, MAKING SOMETHING THAT IS MAYBE MORE FAIR THAN WHAT IS GOING ON NOW, MAYBE BENEFICIAL.
AGAIN, LEMME USE ANOTHER WORD SINCE I ASKED AN ATTORNEY.
WOULD IT BE MORE EQUAL? WOULD THE RULES BE MORE EQUALLY PRESCRIBED? BECAUSE THEN NO ONE COULD RUN AND NOT GIVE UP THEIR COUNSEL SEAT? BECAUSE IF ANITA OR
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I RUN AGAINST THE MAYOR AND WE LOSE, WE'RE NOT SERVING AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.IF ANITA OR I RUN AGAINST NANCY AND LOSE, WE'RE NOT A COUNCIL PERSON.
BUT SCOTT CAN RUN AGAINST NANCY OR THE MAYOR LOSE AND HE'S STILL A COUNCIL PERSON.
UM, AND SO, AND THAT I THINK IS THE INTENTION OF THE, YOU KNOW, OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.
I I REALLY THINK, SCOTT, YOU'RE JUST SAYING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE FOUR WHO COULDN'T RUN AGAINST THE MAYOR FROM A SAFE SEAT.
THE PASTOR NOW SAYING WE'RE SAYING BEFORE.
I'M SAYING FOR NOT FOR MY OWN BENEFIT.
I'M JUST SAYING FOR FAIR, FOR ALL EIGHT MEMBERS.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT FAIR.
BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE CAN RUN FROM A SAFE SEAT, LOSE THE ELECTION, AND STILL REMAIN ON COUNCIL.
AND THE ONES THAT CAN'T, FOR EXAMPLE, A ANITA AND MARK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.
IF THERE'S OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO COULD AND LOSE AND STILL BE ON COUNCIL.
WHAT CYCLE ARE YOU
WELL, I REALIZE IT'S GOING OUT TO THE BALLOT ANYWAYS.
YOU AND I ARE IN THE SAME SUBJECT AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING IS JUST GIVING MY OPINION.
BUT AS A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, MATT, THAT WHAT I WAS THINKING IS WHAT THE CHARTER REVIEW CORRECT COMMITTEE WAS SAYING.
I I THINK WE WERE THINKING TO MAKE IT MORE FAIR, WE, AND TO MAKE, TO MAKE IT LESS FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD AND LESS EQUAL.
WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE FAIR AND MORE EQUAL.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVED THE GROUP WAS DOING, AND THAT'S WHAT I FELT I WAS DOING.
YES, ANITA AND I WALKED INTO THIS.
AND FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NOT SAID I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR
SO THAT'S ALL I WANNA PUT OUT THERE.
SO YOU CAN BLAME MR. I TRUTHFULLY CANNOT IMAGINE WHY ANYBODY WOULD NOT WANT THIS JOB.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON ANY OF THE OTHER PROPOSED, ANY OTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS? OKAY.
SO THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS THEN TO MOVING THESE ON TO MONDAY, UH, FOR A VOTE TO PLACE ON THE BALLOT.
SO, UH, JUST A REMINDER, AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FILING DEADLINE WITH THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, UH, THIS WOULD, AND IT'S THIS BEING AN ORDINANCE, UH, ON MONDAY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, HAVE THE FIRST READING.
THE SECOND READING WOULD NEED TO BE WAIVED, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PASSED AS EMERGENCY, UH, LEGISLATION.
ORDER BE EFFECTIVE IN TIME TO MEET THE DEADLINE FOR THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS FOR NOVEMBER.
IS THAT CLEAR FOR EVERYONE? YES.
UH, HOW ARE THESE GONNA BE BUNDLED? 'CAUSE I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THAT PART.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE BUNDLING THAT THERE MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE.
UH, DID I MISS THAT? THE, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW IS IN THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED.
IT'S, IT'S FIVE DIFFERENT ONES AND THEY'RE GROUPED BY THINGS OF COMMON INTEREST, WHICH I, I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE YOU WERE HERE.
AND THEN THE, THE SECTIONS ARE GROUPED THAT ARE INTERTWINED, LIKE, UH, GIVING THE MAYOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE ALSO INVOLVES TAKING AWAY THE MAYOR'S VETO.
SO YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THOSE GROUPS SO THAT ONE OF 'EM DIDN'T GO INTO EFFECT AND THE OTHER DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER.
AND MY LAST THING, I'M NOT HERE, BUT I'M ALL FOR PUT IT ALL ON THE BALLOT.
SO IF I WAS HERE TO VOTE, I WOULD GET NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS.
SO TONY, JUST TO CLARIFY, EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMITTEE DID WILL BE IN ONE YAY OR NAY FOR NOVEMBER? NO, IT WOULD BE FOR THE VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE TO PLACE ON THE BALLOT ON MONDAY.
SO FOR NOVEMBER, THERE'D BE FIVE SEPARATE CHARGES.
THERE'D BE FIVE DIFFERENT SPOTS TO YES.
I WANNA GO WITH, NO, I WANNA GO WITH, OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT.
MARK, TONY, FROM MEMORY, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO LAST TIME? IT'S, UH, ACTUALLY A FEW LAST, UH, WE HAD SO MANY MORE THE LAST TIME THAT, UH, WE SPLIT IT OVER TWO ELECTION CYCLE.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON THIS, UH, TO MONDAY? OKAY, MAYOR.
I WOULD AGAIN SAY, MATT, HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED YOU CHAIRING THE COMMITTEE.
AND HOW MUCH I ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE.
AND, AND I KNOW WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR WORK, UH, AS WE MOVE TO EDUCATE, WHATEVER YOU PASS,
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UH, EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY'RE PREPARED FOR THEIR NOVEMBER ELECTION.AND WE SHOULD NOTE MR. DILLINGHAM CAME IN SINCE WE STARTED YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AS WELL.
[ Property Maintenance Review Board Update]
UP IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD UPDATE.UH, CONTINUING OUR SERIES OF, UH, ONGOING UPDATES.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, MR. RICHARD WINKLER, THE CHAIR OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE THE UPDATE PRESENTATION.
MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
UM, KIND OF HAD TO DO SOME THINKING OVER THE LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE, WHICH WAS A YEAR AGO, WHICH IS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT I CAN TELL BY THIS BEING LONGER THAT IT'S BEEN A YEAR.
OF THOSE 65 CASES, 49 WERE DECLARED A NUISANCE AND ORDER DEBATED, UH, FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD AT THE PREVIOUS YEAR, 2022 PMRB HEARD 19 CASES AND 10 WERE DECLARED A NUISANCE AND ABATED, UH, THIS INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CASES AS THE RESULT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT BEING FULLY STAFFED.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, COVID OF 2020 REALLY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, UM, FOR THE 49 CASES THAT WERE ABATED IN THE PAST YEAR, UH, THE CITY INVOICE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS APPROXIMATELY $33,000.
SO, UH, THESE ABATEMENTS BROUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE SECTIONS 13, 13.04 AND 1313 0.05.
UH, THE 16 CASES THAT WERE HEARD AND NOT ABATED WERE DISMISSED BECAUSE THEY BECAME COMPLIANT.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KIND OF THE FACTS THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST YEAR.
AND I WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH, UH, PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THIS AS I DID LAST TIME.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M, I'M PRETTY INVOLVED WITH THIS.
THIS IS GOING ON MY 13TH OR 14TH YEAR.
UM, BUT I'VE BEEN THE CHAIR FOR A MAJORITY OF THOSE YEARS, AND I, I, I ENJOY IT.
IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND, AND RESOLVE ISSUES.
UM, SO IN CLOSING, I LIKE TO SAY THAT I FEEL THE PMRB DOES AN EFFECTIVE JOB IN PLAYING AN INTEGRAL PART IN HELPING TO KEEP OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS CLEAN.
FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE THE PMRB ALSO AIDS IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, AIDS THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, AND HAVING AN AVENUE TO VOICE AND TO EXPLAIN THEIR SITUATION AND TO BE ABLE TO COME TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT ON AND RECTIFY THE SITUATION, THAT'S USUALLY NOT A GOOD SITUATION TO BE IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I, I REALLY, UH, I HOPE I'VE BROUGHT SOME INFORMATION AS TO WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR.
UM, I REALLY THINK IT'S BEEN A VERY EFFECTIVE BOARD.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ON IT IF IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A WASTE OF MY TIME.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A WASTE OF MY TIME.
BUT, UM, I, I REALLY ENJOY BEING PART OF IT.
UM, I DIDN'T, UH, ACTUALLY THIS PAST SUMMER I VOLUNTEERED TO BE A, UH, PITCHING COACH FOR MY GRANDSON IN A, IN ANOTHER DI ANOTHER CITY.
AND SO IT TOOK SOME OF MY TIME AWAY FROM BEING ABLE TO COME HERE.
UM, AND, UH, JOHN'S OR, UM, MR. MILLARD'S FORGIVEN ME FOR NOT MEETING SOME OF THE MEETINGS, BUT, UH, I PRETTY MUCH HAVE HAD PERFECT ATTENDANCE OVER THE LAST 12 OR 13 YEARS.
AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I, HOW MANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A, UH, A COMMENT AND THAT IS THAT, SO I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO THEIR PROPERTY, TO BEING COMPLIANT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, UN UNDERSTANDABLY, THAT ISN'T AN EASY POSITION TO BE IN ON THE BOARD BECAUSE I KNOW THAT RUFFLES A LOT OF FEATHERS FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THAT BOARD FOR, UH, SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BEING WILLING TO CHAIR THAT BOARD, KNOWING KIND OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE OUTCOMES ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT IS NOT DEALING WITH, WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN GREAT SITUATIONS OR WHO CERTAINLY RIGHT.
AREN'T IN THEIR HAPPIEST AT TIMES, SO.
UM, SORT OF LIKE THE POLICE, THE POLICE DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE USUALLY AT THEIR WORST AND EXACTLY.
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SO.UH, SO, UH, I, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE TIME THAT YOU'VE SPENT ON THE BOARD AND THE TIME YOU'VE TAKEN THE CHAIR OF THAT BOARD.
SO, AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND, AND YOUR GRANDSON.
UM, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE RIGHT DEMEANOR TO DO THAT JOB, TO DEAL WITH THOSE DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ABATEMENTS, UM, YIELDED $33,000 MM-HMM.
HOW THAT MONEY IS COLLECTED, MA WHERE IT GOES? YES, MA'AM.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVE AN ORDER TO ABATE FROM THE BOARD, UH, THAT'S SENT TO OUR CONTRACTOR, UH, WE PAY THE CONTRACTOR A PREORDAINED RATE, HE INVOICES ME OR INVOICES THE CITY.
I PROCESS THAT INVOICE AS AN ASSESSMENT LETTER TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WHATEVER FEES COME FROM THE CONTRACTOR, THE CITY ADDS $250 TO THAT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
LETTER GOES TO FINANCE, FINANCE BILLS.
THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY'RE GIVEN TWO WEEKS TO PAY.
IF NOT, IT GOES INTO A FOLDER TO BE ASSESSED.
ASSESSMENTS ARE DONE QUARTERLY, I BELIEVE.
JIM, IS THAT RIGHT NOW, APPROXIMATELY.
UM, AND WHEN PROPERTY TAXES ARE PAID, WE RECOUP THOSE ASSESSMENTS.
SO WHEN EVERYTHING GOES, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO PAY, AND I SHOULD QUALIFY THAT, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO PAY THEIR INVOICE AND IT GOES TO PROPERTY TAXES, THEN THIS, THEN WE WILL RECOUP THOSE WHEN PROPERTY TAXES ARE PAID.
SO FAR THIS, THE COUNTY HERE, HE SPOKE OF JULY, JULY AS OF JULY 1ST, WAS AROUND $33,000.
WE'VE ADDED QUITE A BIT TO THAT SINCE THAT WAS DONE.
'CAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF VERY LARGE ABATEMENTS.
AND THAT GOES IN THE GENERAL FUND.
UH, DEPENDS WHAT TYPE OF, UM, ABATEMENT, UH, IT DOES DEPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF ABATEMENT.
UH, I WOULD SAY IN MOST CASES IT WOULD BE THE GENERAL FUND FOR HIS, WHAT HE SUBMITS TO FINANCE.
WE DO THE ASSESSMENT LETTERS FOR GRASS CUTTING, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT QUALIFIERS, TRASH, GRASS, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, DON? YEAH.
UH, WELL ACTUALLY THIS IS FOR BOTH OF YOU.
I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE, UM, UM, ISSUES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WERE RECTIFIED, UM, UH, BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELVES.
CAN YOU DISCUSS OR, OR TELL ME, IS THAT A THING WHERE THEY, YOU'VE RECEIVED A WARNING OR THEY'VE RECEIVED A NOTICE AND THEN THEY, UM, MAKE THE REPAIRS? HERE'S MY FEELING UHHUH, AND I'VE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO BY THE TIME IT GOES TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BOARD, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A SERIES OF LETTERS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY REMAIN NON-COMPLIANT, MAYBE NON-COMMUNICATIVE.
DON'T EVEN CALL US WHEN THEY GET THE LETTER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO APPEAR BEFORE PUBLIC BOARD FOR A HEARING.
THEY GET VERY SERIOUS ABOUT BECOMING COMPLIANT.
AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID IT'S REMARKABLE THE NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT CHOOSE COMPLIANCE OVER APPEARING BEFORE A BOARD OF REVIEW.
SO JUST GETTING THE LETTER FROM THE BOARD, HE CHAIRS HAS A BIG IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO BE COMPLIANT.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY RICHARD'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT MODEST, BUT I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT HE WAS A RECENT VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR AWARD, UH, WINNER.
HE HAS BEEN, UH, DEMONSTRATED A LOT OF, UH, COMMITMENT TO THE CITY AND TO THIS WORK, AND HE'S BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR THAT AS WELL.
UH, RICHARD, I THINK LAST YEAR, UH, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR PASSION AND ENTHUSIASM.
I CONTINUE TO BE, I THINK YOU'RE GETTING BETTER WITH AGE BY THE WELL,
AND, UH, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A YEAR AGO AS WELL, BUT YES, THANKS FOR HELPING MAKE HUB HEIGHTS BETTER.
AND I, I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER YOUR COMMENT, IT WAS LIKE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
THAT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD INSIDE.
AND IT'S NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZED OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST, I, I FEEL, I FEEL I FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT I DO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NEGATIVE SITUATION.
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SHOWS, IT SHOWS FROM THE COMPLIANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PEOPLE CAN COME THERE AND KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CAN HELP THEM BESIDES, YOU KNOW, HIRING AN ATTORNEY AND HAVING TO GO TO COURT AND, YOU KNOW, DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.NOW THERE'S, THERE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY, UH, THEY'RE APPRECIATIVE OF IT AS WELL.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU CALLED UBER HEIGHTS HOME? UM, SINCE, LET'S SEE, I, I MOVED UP HERE FROM FLORIDA AND WHEN I WAS IN THE FIFTH GRADE, SO I WAS BORN IN 58.
YOU AND I WENT TO SCHOOL TOGETHER, I BELIEVE.
SO I STARTED, I, I, I CALLED HOME SINCE THE FIFTH GRADE AND HOWEVER MANY YEARS I, I, MY MATH'S NOT REAL GOOD RIGHT AT THE MOMENT.
I THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME, MR. MAYOR.
I ORIGINALLY MET HIM, HIS BEARD WAS NOWHERE NEAR THAT
WHAT'S THAT? WHEN I FIRST MET YOU, YOUR BEARD WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THAT LONG.
AND I, I DON'T EVEN THINK I HAD FACIAL HAIR.
[ City Staffing Levels/Table Of Organization]
UP IS ITEM 3D, WHICH IS OUR CITY STAFFING LEVELS, LEVELS, UH, AND OUR TABLE OF ORGANIZATION.SO THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN DISCUSSED INTERNALLY FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, UM, SINCE I TOOK OVER AS THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND AS, AS WE LOOK BACK OVER WHERE WE'VE COME FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK BRIAN FILLED, FILLED IN VERY ADMIRABLY.
I THINK HE DID A GREAT JOB WHEN WE WERE SHORT STAFFED.
UM, BUT HIS ORGANIZATIONAL CHART KIND OF GOT A LITTLE FLAT, IF YOU WILL.
UM, HE WAS TAKING CARE OF RIGHT AT EIGHT OR NINE DIFFERENT THINGS AT A TIME.
AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST SPAN CONTROL AND, AND THE WAY THINGS OPERATE AND GETTING THINGS DONE, IT, IT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF, OUT OF WHACK WITH WHAT I'M USED TO FROM, FROM A STRUCTURED ORGANIZATION LIKE THE FIRE DIVISION.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE PIECE BY PIECE.
UM, TALK ABOUT A FEW OF THEM, AND THEN I'M GONNA LET THE FIRE CHIEF KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE, THE LAST BIG ONE ON THERE.
BUT, SO WHEN I CAME TO YOU GUYS A WHILE BACK, I KIND OF TOLD YOU MY VISION, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, HOPEFULLY, UM, ONE WITH, WITH THE INTERIM STATUS COMING OFF MY NAME AND THEN, UH,
SO THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA SEE AT THE TOP UP THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD KIND OF MENTIONED, UM, MAYOR, AS FAR AS JUST NEEDING SOME TYPE OF, UM, PUBLIC RELATIONS, IMAGE CONTROL, UM, BRANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE WORD OUT.
YOU KNOW, I, I'VE GOT A PRETTY BIG VISION.
I KNOW MR. WEBB HAS SPOKEN ABOUT HIS VISION AND I KNOW YOU HAVE AS WELL.
SO WE, WE, WE ARE CREATING THESE POSITIONS WITH THE INTENT TO FILL THEM, AND I'LL BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE THINGS.
BUT, UM, WE CAN'T, INTERNALLY, WE CAN'T HIRE THINGS THAT DON'T EXIST.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THESE POSITIONS AND MAKE 'EM AVAILABLE.
SO THE FIRST THING YOU'LL SEE UNDER MY NAME IS GONNA BE THE PUBLIC RELATIONS SPECIALIST.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TO KIND OF THAT START LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO KIND OF HELP US, UM, WITH PUBLIC RELATIONS, MAYBE EVEN AS, AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL GO BACK TO THE LAST TWO YEARS AND I THINK PEOPLE TOOK ON SOME ROLES AND SOME POSITIONS THAT MAYBE THEY WEREN'T, UM, DESIGNED TO HAVE.
AND I'D LIKE TO REORGANIZE SOME OF THEIR WORKFLOWS.
I KNOW ANITA AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME, I VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, SO, SO I'M GONNA REORGANIZE INTERNALLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T CREATE CHANGES ON THE CHART ITSELF.
UM, BUT THE PUBLIC RELATIONS SPECIALIST WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SEE.
THE NEXT THING UNDERNEATH THERE YOU'LL SEE, UM, AARON'S POSITION AS THE ASSISTANT SCENE MANAGER OVER TOP OF, UM, BASICALLY, UM, PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, PUB, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICES, AND THEN, UM, THE PARKS AND RECS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE AARON'S SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, ONE THING THAT WE DID FIND AS WE WERE TALKING CHARTER REVIEW, I KNOW NANCY AND I WERE TALKING
WE LOOKED AT HOW THE CHARTER WAS STRUCTURED AND, AND AGAIN, WITH BRIAN HAVING THINGS A LITTLE MORE FLAT, UM, DIVISION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS, WAS, SO BRIAN HAD TAKEN ON THE ROLE AS ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICES.
SO WE HAD THAT IN A DIFFERENT SPOT.
REORGANIZING, PUTTING AARON WHERE HE'S AT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE CODE ENFORCEMENT BACK TO WHERE IT BELONGS BY THE CHARTER, UNDER THE DIRECTOR OF, UM, PUBLIC SERVICES.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT MOVE HAPPENING.
UM, NEXT TO THE ASSISTANT C MANAGER SPOT, YOU'LL SEE, UH, A HIGHLIGHTED SECOND ASSISTANT C MANAGER SPOT.
SO THAT'S THE ONE AGAIN THAT AARON'S GOING TO HANDLE.
HIS, HIS BAILIWICK BASICALLY IS WHERE HE'S BEEN UNDER PLANNING AND, AND, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UM, MY GOAL IS TO HIRE SOMEBODY IN HERE TO, UM, ASSIST WITH SOME OF THE OTHER FUNCTIONS AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOES, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE FILLED, UM, BY SOMEBODY, UM, AT A LATER DATE NEXT TO THAT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE JUST KIND OF REORGANIZED A FEW THINGS.
UM, THE COMMUNICATIONS COORDINATOR WE FELT WAS IN A WRONG SPOT, SO WE PUT THAT REPORTING TO ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS THAT'S CURRENTLY SARAH WILLIAMS SPOT.
UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE ROLES THAT I THINK I'M GONNA TRY AND REORGANIZE SOME OF HER,
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HER TASKS AND DUTIES AND GET HER BACK TO WHAT SHE WAS INITIALLY INTENDED TO BE DOING HERE ANYWAY.UM, UNDERNEATH, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UM, WE, YOU GUYS HAD APPROVED BEFORE I GOT HERE, A PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST.
UM, I KNOW WE HAD TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT WHAT THAT JOB DESCRIPTION LOOKS LIKE.
KATIE AND I HAVE TALKED AND REACHED OUT TO A FEW PLACES, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE BEST CALLED THE GRANTS AND PROCUREMENT COORDINATOR.
UM, SO THAT PERSON'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND ALSO HELPING US WITH THE WHOLE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE UNDER THE, UH, DIVISION OF ACCOUNTING.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S A POSITION WE'VE NEEDED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, SO.
UM, THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF LEY IS, UM, OVER THE LAST, OH MAN, 10 MONTHS, 11 MONTHS, YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY HEARD NOTHING BUT IT, IT, AND CYBER ATTACKS AND EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE AN AMAZING PERSON DOING IT NOW.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS WITH THAT.
UM, SO YOU KNOW WHERE WE WERE, YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE'VE COME, SO NOW IT'S KIND OF TIME TO LOOK FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE WITH WHAT, HOW DO WE MANAGE IT? AND WE, WE KEEP THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
PART OF THAT, UH, REORGANIZATION IS GOING TO, WE CURRENTLY GOT TWO, UM, IT SYSTEM ANALYSTS, UM, AND WE HAVE A PART-TIME POSITION.
WE ARE GONNA TRANSITION THAT PART-TIME POSITION TO A FULL-TIME POSITION AS WELL, MAKING THREE OF THEM, UM, AS WE LOOK FORWARD.
AND I, AND I WENT TO DAVE FOR THIS AND JUST ASKED WHAT COULD BOLSTER IT, WHAT'S GONNA MAKE US, YOU KNOW, BETTER SERVE FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, AS WE LOOK AT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
AGAIN, WE CAN'T FILL SPOTS AND AND BUDGET FOR THINGS THAT AREN'T THERE CURRENTLY.
SO WE'VE, UH, ADDED A FULL-TIME SYSTEMS, UH, ADMINISTRATOR TO THE IT DEPARTMENT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT HIGHLIGHTED UNDERNEATH THERE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE DAVE FEELS LIKE WE WILL BE SOLIDLY PLACED IN THE FUTURE BY ADDING THOSE TWO POSITIONS.
UM, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS ON THOSE THINGS FIRST IF YOU WANT.
AND THEN THE FIRE CHIEF CAN TALK ABOUT THE FIRE SIDE OF THINGS HERE IN A MINUTE.
FIRST NANCY, I'LL SAY DAVE, WELCOME.
STEVE, GLAD HE'S HIDING BACK THERE.
I SHOULD HAVE HAD HIM A SEAT AT THE TABLE SOMEWHERE.
UM, JOHN, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
ON, UH, LOOKING TO REORGANIZE WHAT YOU NO, NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, I THINK THE PUBLIC RELATIONS SPECIALIST, UM, IS A WONDERFUL IDEA.
UM, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, ABOUT TWO POSITIONS YOU HAVE IN HERE.
SINCE WE HAVE, UM, A PUBLIC RELATION, UM, SINCE WE NOW HAVE TWO ASSISTANT MANAGERS.
WHY DO WE HAVE AN ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER? TO ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SLOT GO OVER TO IT, UM, BECAUSE I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE, BUT I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE SINCE WE NOW HAVE TWO ASSISTANT MANAGERS THAT UM, I DON'T, YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR INTENT IS FOR THAT
WELL, I THINK RIGHT NOW MY INTENT IS TO GET THE OTHER ASSISTANT SENIOR MANAGER IN HERE AND THEN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ROLE OF, AND WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, SOMEONE'S CURRENTLY FILLING THAT ASSISTANT TO THE SENIOR MANAGER.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S STRENGTHS AND, AND PUTTING THEM IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS IS IMPORTANT.
SO I I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE'S STRENGTHS AND WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
SO HERE, I'LL ANSWER IT THIS WAY.
I, I JUST WOULD LIKE SOME TIME TO MAYBE LOOK AT WHAT GOES ON THERE SURE.
AND MAYBE FIGURE OUT A ROLE THAT WE CAN TRANSITION SOME PEOPLE TO SOME DIFFERENT AREAS, IF THAT.
AND THEN THE SAME GOES FOR, UM, WITH THE NEW HIRE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FOR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS COORDINATOR THERE.
SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WE HAVE THAT POSITION, THAT'S SARAH'S POSITION.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC RELATIONS SPECIALIST, IS THAT NOT REDUNDANT? SO I WANT TO KIND OF ROLL BACK, AND AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA TAKE ME SOME TIME TO SPEAK TO HER.
AND, AND SO SHE ACTUALLY CAME IN HERE AS A, UH, AND WAS UNDER, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I THINK HER ROLE AND HER JOB WOULD BE BETTER SERVED TO GO BACK TO THAT POSITION.
UM, SHE WAS NEVER INTENDED, I MEAN, SHE, SHE BASICALLY TOOK OVER DOING FACEBOOK AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS IN A JOB THAT WAS NEVER CREATED FOR HER TO BE DOING THAT.
SHE KIND OF JUST FILLED A ROLE THAT WAS EMPTY BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE SHAKING AND MOVING AND GETTING FLAT AND THAT'S WHERE BRIAN PUT HER.
AGAIN, NO, NO DISRESPECT TO BRIAN OR ANY, ANYBODY ELSE.
AND I THINK PEOPLE ADMIRABLY HAVE FILLED INTO THESE POSITIONS.
I JUST, I'VE HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH SARAH.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT SOME VOLUNTEER, UM, COORDINATION STUFF WITH HER AS WELL AS MAYBE GOING BACK AND HELPING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ONCE OUT, ONCE I GET THE, A AGENCY MAJOR SPOT FILLED OVER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
SO THAT'S WHY I JUST KEPT THAT POSITION THERE.
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UM, I APPRECIATE THAT.AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF MOVING PARTS,
AND, AND THIS GRANTS AND PROCUREMENT COORDINATOR YES, MA'AM.
UM, I NOTICED THAT LAST YEAR, UM, OUR STAFFING, WE HAD, UM, UH, WE HAD FIVE PEOPLE.
WE HAD, UH, FOUR FULL-TIME AND ONE PART-TIME.
AND SO ACCORDING TO THIS CHART NOW WE ONLY HAVE UM, THREE, WHICH IS FULL-TIME.
SO ARE WE ACTUALLY LESS STAFFING THAN WHAT WE WERE BEFORE? HELP KATIE
AND THEN WE HAD TWO FULL-TIME IT ANALYSTS.
AND THEN ONE PART-TIME IT ANALYST.
SO WE ARE, AND THE GIS TECHNICIAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONTRACTED EMPLOYEE.
UM, SO NO, I MEAN, WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER FULL-TIME.
SO YOU'VE GOT 3, 4, 5 FULL-TIME POSITIONS NOW.
SO THESE BLOCKS DON'T INDICATE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THEM.
SO IF YOU LOOK, SORRY, BECAUSE I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT TAXATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT, IT'LL SHOW YOU THE NUMBERS.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE HELPFUL.
AND I DID, BUT I'M JUST, I, I DEAL BETTER IN PICTURES, SO I USE THE PICTURE, BUT SHE'S RIGHT AFTER YOU FOLLOW ON ALONG THE LEGISLATION, IT'LL ACTUALLY HAVE THE POSITION NAME AND THEN THE SPOTS, HOW MANY, HOW MANY WE FILL SURE.
I, I, I WISH YOU LUCK AND VITAL PEOPLE THAT YOU, THAT YOU, UH, REALLY NEED TO DO THE JOB.
JOHN, ANYBODY ELSE ON MY, ON MY SPOTS? I STILL WE'RE NOT DONE.
I, I JUST WANNA SAY, LOOK, I, I, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
I LIKE A LOT OF SPORTS ANALOGIES AND I THINK THAT IN WHAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WITHIN ANY TEAM THAT ANYBODY HAS IN REGARD TO SPORTS, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS MAKING SURE THAT YOUR PLAYERS ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING THE RIGHT POSITION.
THAT THEY'RE PLAYING TO THE POSITION THAT SUITS THEIR STRENGTHS AND THEIR ABILITIES.
AND THAT'S JUST THE CASE WITH ANY SUCCESSFUL TEAM, NO MATTER WHAT.
IT'S, PORSCHE IS JUST EASIER TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GUY WHO'S A GOOD WIDE RECEIVER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SEE HAPPENING HERE.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THE TIME.
UM, AND, AND THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE IN SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WHO HAVE BEEN DOING SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUITED FOR, FOR SURE, TO BE ABLE TO FIND THE RIGHT PLACE ON THE TEAM THAT FITS THEIR, THEIR STRENGTHS.
SO I, I RESPECT AND APPRECIATE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT.
SO, UH, I THINK MAKING SURE WE GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT SPOT, UH, WILL MEAN THE WORLD TO NUMBER ONE THEIR CAREER FOR SURE, UH, WITH THE CITY OF HUMAN HEIGHTS.
AND THEY'LL BE HAPPIER DOING THE JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING.
'CAUSE IT FITS THEIR, THEIR STRENGTHS AND HAPPY EMPLOYEES, A GOOD EMPLOYEE.
SO I, I APPRECIATE WHAT IT ISS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? SO NOW IF YOU'LL LOOK ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT, YOU'LL, BECAUSE YOU'LL GET TO SEE THE, THE, UH, FIRE DIVISION THERE.
AND, UH, CHIEF NAZA, IF YOU'D LIKE TO KIND OF JUST GIVE 'EM YOUR VISION HERE.
ESPECIALLY AFTER LOSING, UH, JOHN, JOHN AND I WORKED DIRECTLY TOGETHER SINCE LATE 2015, AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING.
UH, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT'S ON MY RADAR IS, IS THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE REACHING THE END OF THEIR CAREER.
AND RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY IS SO BUSY FOCUSED ON WHAT THEIR EXACT JOB IS.
SOMETIMES MENTORSHIP, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, A LITTLE MORE HANDS-ON SUPERVISION HANDS-ON GUIDANCE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S KIND OF, UM, NOT NECESSARILY AS EXISTENT AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.
AND, UH, SO WHEN WE FOUND OUT, OR I FOUND OUT THAT, UH, JOHN WAS GONNA BE LEAVING, ONE OF THE THINGS AS WANTED TO LOOK AT WAS WHAT WE COULD DO WITH OUR FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS.
AND IN OUR OLD ORGANIZATION CHART, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE, UH, CAME UP WITH A, UH, A, A, A PERSON, A POSITION THAT WAS FUNDED WITH A GRANT.
UH, THE GRANT FUNDING IS STILL AVAILABLE, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS AN EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN THAT WE WERE IN A VERY UNIQUE PLACE.
AND, UH, WE, WE, WE, WE GAVE, GAVE IT A SHOT.
AND, UH, AS THE PERSON WENT ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA SAY, I THINK THE SALARY I'M JUST GONNA SAY IS LOW HUNDREDS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BILLS START RACKING UP AND YOU COULD GO MAKE THREE AND A HALF, FOUR TIMES THE SALARY THAT I CAN PAY YOU.
UH, THE PERSON WENT BACK TO MEDICINE AND, UH, WE STARTED LEARNING.
WE DIDN'T REALLY LOSE A LOT BECAUSE WE HAD GRANT FUNDING
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FOR THE POSITION.BUT, UH, LOOKING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR A WHILE.
UH, THE COMMAND STAFF, UH, THE COMMAND STAFF MEMBERS, I HAVE THREE CAPABLE OF BATTALION CHIEFS, TWO OF WHICH ARE BOTH GOING TO BE LEAVING.
THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO RE READJUST OUR FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS AND, UH, UH, TAKE ONE OF THE CAPTAIN'S POSITIONS AND MAKE AN ASSISTANT CHIEF POSITION OUT OF IT.
UH, TAKE THE JOHN'S OLD JOB, THE ADMIN BATTALION CHIEF, MAKE ASSISTANT CHIEF POSITION OUT OF IT.
TAKE THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR SLASH WELLNESS COORDINATOR.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STATE RIGHT NOW TO ENSURE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TRANSFER THIS IN.
BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST A PERSON CALLED THE ADMINISTRATIVE BATTALION CHIEF, THAT WOULD BE OUR WELLNESS COORDINATOR.
THAT IS THE PERSON THAT WORKS WITH OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SPECIALIST, OUR HEALTHY HEROES PROGRAM.
AND WE'LL ALSO START COORDINATING PHYSICALS.
UH, UH, MR. RUSSELL HAD ME LOOK INTO SOME THINGS, SOME QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL ABOUT SOME BLOOD TESTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THIS WILL BE A PERSON THAT CAN KIND OF FOCUS ON THE WELLNESS SIDE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT THEN ALSO STILL BE OPERATIONALLY, UH, INVOLVED.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WANNA DO IS, UH, TAKE THESE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS.
WE WOULD HAVE A FIRE CHIEF, WE WOULD HAVE A, AN ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF THAT'S IN CHARGE OF OPERATIONS.
UM, IDEALLY THAT WOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE LOCAL AND THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, BE ABLE TO CHECK UP, BE ABLE TO PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO WHAT ARE THESE, THESE, THESE YOUNGER LEADERS IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING UP TO, UH, BECOME SHIFT CHIEFS.
I WILL HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO, TO BE A PHONE CALL AWAY AND ALSO BE ABLE TO KIND OF REVIEW INCIDENT, UH, INCIDENTS AND, AND, UH, AND PROVIDE SOME TEACHING POINTS TO THEM.
SO THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY TAKE OUR NUMBER OF FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS, CREATE AN ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS.
THE OTHER ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL BE, UH, OVER ADMINISTRATION.
UH, JOHN WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT HOW PEOPLE LIKE VISUALS, AND I WAS KIND OF LAUGHING, IS, IS THAT IN 2000? THIS WAS OUR STANDING ORDERS BOOK.
SO WE ALL CARRY THESE AROUND IN OUR, IN OUR BACK POCKETS.
AND THIS WAS KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE RECIPE BOOK THAT IF SOMEONE'S HAVING CHEST PAINS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING IN 2000.
TODAY IT IS A 314 PAGE MANUAL THAT OUR PEOPLE UTILIZE TO, TO GIVE CARE.
IF YOU WERE HAVING A HEART ATTACK ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA IN 2000, WE DIDN'T HAVE 12 LEAD EKGS.
MR. DAVIDSON, YOU PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THE, THE LITTLE BLUE BOOK, YELLOW BOOK, PINK BOOK GREEN BOOK, BRIGHT GREEN BOOK.
UH, BUT ANYWAYS, THIS IS HOW OUR JOBS CHANGED.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE FACET OF IT.
YOU CARRY THAT IN A BACKPACK? NO.
UH, SO ACTUALLY WE, WE DO HAVE SOME MOVES DIGITAL.
WE DO HAVE SOME PRETTY COOL TECHNOLOGIES.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING ON AN IPAD THAT, UH, OUR PEOPLE CAN INTEGRATE WITH AND THEY CAN CLICK AND SAY, I DID THIS, I DID THIS, I DID THIS.
THEY GET TO THE HOSPITAL, THEY HIT A BUTTON AND IT AUTOMATICALLY DUMPS ALL THAT INTO THE REPORT FORM.
SO WE'RE, WE TRY TO TAKE THIS, UH, THERE'S IPHONE APPS, THERE'S IPAD APPS, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
I MEAN, IT TRULY IS, BUT, UM, UH, THE MORE COMPLEX PRE-HOSPITAL MEDICINE IS THE MORE IMPORTANT IT BECOMES.
BUT THIS IS JUST, THIS IS A MICROCOSM OF OUR ENTIRE BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DO EVERYTHING I HAD IN HERE, YOU KNOW, UH, BUCKY'S WHEN BUCKY'S WAS, YOU KNOW, STILL GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, REGINA SOONG ALREADY HAD 16 HOURS INTO REVIEWING PLANS FOR IT JUST SO WE COULD GO AND SAY, HEY, THEY NEED MORE FIRE HYDRANTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT, WE, WE MONITOR, UH, HYDRANT, UH, FIRE LINES BEING PUT IN, MAKE SURE THEY GET PUT IN RIGHT.
INSPECTIONS AND ALL THIS, UH, FIRE RESPONSES AND ALL THIS.
AND THE OTHER DAY I STOPPED IN AND THEY WERE GETTING DUCKS OUT OF A, A STORM SEWER.
SO WE'RE TRULY A ALL HAZARDS OPERATION.
AND, UH, I THINK THESE CHANGES WILL HELP NOT ONLY, UH, HELP THE HUB RIDES FIRE DIVISION COMMUNITY TODAY.
IT'S GONNA HELP US FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, A LOT OF OUR ADMINISTRATORS HAVE A LOT OF VACATION TIME, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE KIND OF, I, I GET VERY EXCITED.
I THINK MUCH TO RIGHT KATIE CHAGRIN AND MY KID CHAGRIN IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GET, WE GET EXCITED AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, I'VE GOTTA, I, WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS, WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS AND WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS.
AND WE KIND OF REALIZE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE THAT WAY.
SO WE NEED TO START KIND OF SPREADING THE WEALTH OUT AND, UH, KNOWLEDGE TO, TO HELP THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONTINUE TO GROW.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT ADDING ANY POSITIONS TO THE FIRE DIVISION.
JUST, JUST RE JUST REORGANIZE.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? WHEN ARE WE GONNA ROLL IN A NEW FIRE TRUCK?
WE, UH, WE, WE, UH, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS.
WE KNEW THAT, UH, GOING INTO THIS WAS A NEW TRUCK AND, UH, THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE A COUPLE CHALLENGES.
UH, THEY HAD SOME REPAIR PEOPLE TODAY, UH, OUT LOOKING, WE HAVE A SMALL LITTLE AIR CONDITIONER ISSUE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UH, BUT IT'S BEEN IN SERVICE, UH, FOR JUST OVER A MONTH AND HAS ONLY, UH, BEEN WORKED ON A COUPLE DAYS.
UH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THE, UH, BUGS OUT OF IT.
UH, I WILL TELL YOU IS, IS THAT WE FOUND OUT THE HORN, THE HORN
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BUTTON STOPPED WORKING.WELL, THE HORN BUTTON STOPPED WORKING BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAINING WE HAD TO DO WITH THIS COMPLEX TRUCK.
THE STEERING WHEEL WENT TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT.
SO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES THAT IT BASICALLY SIMULATED PUTTING THOUSANDS OF MILES ON THE TRUCK JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAINING WE'RE DOING.
IT HAD ITS FIRST FIRE THE OTHER DAY.
THE, OUR PEOPLE ARE, OUR STAFF IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.
AND, UH, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO GET A, A PROPER PUSH IN CEREMONY SCHEDULED HERE VERY SOON.
ANYTHING ELSE, MARK, JOHN, TONIGHT? I'M REMINDED WHY I WAS IMPRESSED WITH YOU, UM, TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH THAT THE MAYOR WAS SPEAKING.
UM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AT, AT SOME POINT, UH, A FORMAL EVALUATION PROCESS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T CURRENTLY GET EVALUATED.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW WHO TO ADVANCE AND WHO NOT TO ADVANCE IF THAT EVALUATION HASN'T TAKEN PLACE FORMALLY.
UM, CHIEF, DID ALL THOSE CHANGES OCCUR BECAUSE WE TOOK JOHN FROM, YOU CERTAINLY BROUGHT 'EM TO LIGHT.
IT WAS A PLAN THAT I HAD IN 2020 WHEN I APPLIED FOR THIS JOB, AND WE WERE GETTING BY.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T BREAK, YOU DON'T FIX WHAT'S NOT BROKEN.
AND WHEN, UH, YOU GUYS TOOK JOHN, UH, UH, JOHN AND, AND GAVE US THE CITY THIS OPPORTUNITY, IT GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO.
BUT, UH, JOHN, UM, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED PEOPLE BODIES IN EACH OF THESE BLOCKS, YOU WILL.
ANYWAYS, YES, BRIAN, UH, JUST REAL RE CHIEF, I ALWAYS LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO SAY THANKS FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM DOES.
WE, UH, WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT AND, UH, WE REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT WE'VE HAD.
ANITA, SO YOU SAID THERE'S THREE THAT'S PROBABLY RETIRING SOON.
OH, I HAVE THREE BATTALION CHIEFS.
I HAVE TWO BATTALION CHIEFS THAT WILL BE, UH, THEY WILL BE AT THE, UH, END OF WHAT'S CALLED THE DEFERRED RETIREMENT OPTION.
AND, UH, SO IN, UH, MID 2026, IN THE END OF 2026, I IS, HOW DOES THE RECRUITING DO? SO YOU'RE NOT LIKE DOWN
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS ONCE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN OPENING, WE'RE NOW, UH, FROM YOUR AUTHORIZATION, WE'RE ALLOWED TO START THAT PROCESS.
LIKE, UH, WE HAVE A GUY TOMORROW THAT'S RETIRING, AND I DIDN'T OFFICIALLY PUT ANYTHING OUT UNTIL TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND OUR PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, SO WE'RE DOWN ANOTHER BODY.
IT'S LIKE, WE ALREADY, THIS JOB'S ALREADY SPOKEN FOR.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AHEAD AND, UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP OUT.
WE HAVE THREE NEW PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE STARTED, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING READY TO START FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDIC RECRUITS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE AND, AND GETTING THEM THROUGH PARAMEDIC SCHOOL.
AND THERE'S REALLY NO RISK TO THE CITY.
'CAUSE IF THEY FAIL, OUR EMPLOYMENT IS DONE.
UH, AND THEN AN INTERN PROCESS, AND THEN A HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S WE'RE HOPING IS GONNA START FEEDING US A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS IS GONNA HELP ADMINISTER THAT BECAUSE I CAN GIVE THIS PROJECT TO THAT GUY, THIS PROJECT TO THE OTHER GUY.
SO, UH, WE'RE RIGHT NOW, ALL OF OUR CURRENT OR PENDING RETIREMENTS ARE ALL FILLED WITH CONDITIONAL OFFERS FOR PEOPLE.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING, DON.
UM, UH, JOHN, I WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE OLD ORG CHART WAS, UH, I THINK YOU CALLED IT LINEAR, UM, FLAT.
AND WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT, UM, A SPAN OF CONTROL.
UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON, ON THE BENEFIT OF THAT AND, UH, AND TALK ABOUT CHAIN OF COMMAND A BIT, HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK, AGAIN, I GREW UP WITH CHIEF NAZI IN THE FIRE DIVISION AND, AND
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE TRY AND DO IN THE FIRE DIVISION.
THAT'S WHAT I SEE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WELL, ESPECIALLY WHEN I LOOK BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE OLD ORG CHART, YOU KNOW, AS YOU LOOKED AT IT AGAIN, BRIAN, I THINK HE'S A ADMIRABLE FILL IN AND WAS DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT HE WAS TRYING TO DO EIGHT OR NINE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU TEND TO MISS A FEW THINGS HERE AND THERE.
AND THEN THINGS TEND TO NOT GET ANSWERED OR NOT GET, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ATTENTION THAT THEY MAY DESERVE.
SO THIS HELPS ME, UM, BECAUSE NOW I'M TECHNICALLY DOWN TO FIVE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF EIGHT OR WHATEVER IT WOULD'VE BEEN WHEN DI WHEN RICHARD AND UM, BRIAN WE'RE HERE.
BUT IT ALSO HELPS, YOU KNOW, AARON NOW IS BASICALLY LOOKING AT THREE DIVISIONS.
HE'S OVER TOP OF, THE NEW PERSON WILL BE OVER TWO.
UM, SO I, I JUST THINK IT, IT, IT CONDENSES THINGS AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO REALLY FOCUS
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ON THEIR, ON THEIR TASK AND THE THING THEY NEED TO DO.AND IT, I THINK IT JUST, I THINK IT'S BETTER WORKFLOW AND I GET IT.
I THINK IT GETS BETTER WORK DONE.
SIR? UH, IT'S, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND IT HAS BEEN FROM THE FIRE DIVISION.
UH, I, I THINK THIS, UH, IT'S EVIDENT THAT YOU'RE BRINGING THAT, UM, EXPERTISE FROM THE FIRE DIVISION.
I HAD A, I HAD A GOOD TEACHER,
JIM, I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ADD TO THE TAX DEPARTMENT IF YOU NEED TO, BECAUSE I JUST THINK AS WE HAVE MORE AND MORE RESIDENTS, YOU'RE GONNA NEED MORE STAFF.
SO I, THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE THIS.
JIM AND I, I'M SORRY TO SAY JIM.
JIM AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK AS I GET PEOPLE IN HERE AND WE ASSESS THINGS, I THINK FINANCE AND TAX ARE BOTH TWO THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, GUYS, YOU GOTTA REALIZE WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING.
WE WE'RE AT THE LARGEST WE'VE EVER BEEN.
AND I THINK ORGANIZATIONALLY WE'VE KIND OF STAYED PRETTY LEAN, LEAN.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK FORWARD AND I LOOK AT, AT THE 2025 BUDGET AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ARE, YOU MAY SEE SOME ADDITIONS TO THESE, UM, DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
MARK, CHIEF NI I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WHERE, UH, ANITA LEFT OFF WITH PERSONNEL, BUT BEFORE I SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO PERSONNEL, UH, I REMEMBER WHEN HUBBER HEIGHTS BRA AND ROY PIKE WERE TWO LANES WITH NO CURB GUTTER AND, UH, THE FACILITY ON BRANT PIKE.
UM, MATT S SHOPPER WHO CHAIRED OUR, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, HIS FATHER WAS THE MAYOR.
AND, UH, WE HAD THE, UH, UH, CITY HALL POLICE, FIRE STREETS, EVERYTHING THERE.
THAT'S NOW ONE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE FIRE DIVISION.
AND I THINK MIKE, YOUR OPERATIONS ARE BEHIND THERE.
UH, COULD YOU HOLD UP THAT HANDBOOK IN THAT DOCUMENT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF JUST ONE OF HUNDREDS OF CHANGES THAT HAVE EVOLVED IN JUST THE FIRE DIVISION OVER THE FOUR DECADES WE'VE BEEN A CITY.
AND THE REASON WHY I BRING UP THE TWO LANES, UH, WE CHOMPED AT THE BIT GETTING BOTH OF THOSE STATE HIGHWAYS TO FIVE LANES.
AND THAT WAS, UH, PAINFUL SOMETIMES BECAUSE IT, IT TOOK LONGER THAN YOU MIGHT THINK.
BUT WITH THE FIRE DIVISION, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LACK OF PERSONNEL.
UH, YOU'RE IN A TIGHT WORK ENVIRONMENT, BUT YOU'VE ALWAYS ADAPTED.
YOU THE FIRE DIVISION, YOUR STAFF, YOU'VE ALWAYS ADAPTED.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, OUT OF MY 37 YEARS, I, I'VE ALWAYS HAD FAITH IN THE FIRE DIVISION, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I, I COULD ALMOST COUNT ON JOHN BEING SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CREATED OVER THERE.
SO I, I THINK ALL OF YOU GUYS, AND, AND I THINK IT REALLY DID TRAIN YOU, JOHN.
FIND OUT TO BE PERFECT FOR THIS JOB.
BUT, UH, THE PERSONNEL, IT, IT WAS A HICCUP.
UH, YOU WERE BIDDING FOR EMPLOYEES ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER FIRE DIVISION IN MULTIPLE COUNTIES, BUT MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU.
I'VE NEVER QUESTIONED FOR A MINUTE.
YOU, YOU GUYS ARE EXCELLENT AT THAT.
IT MIGHT HAVE, IT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY.
CHIEF, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND PLEASE THANK ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING, UH, A PREVIOUS FIREFIGHTER AND EMT.
UH, I DEFINITELY KNOW OUR HUB HEIGHTS FIRE DEPARTMENTS WON THE BEST.
UH, I'VE HAD TO USE 'EM AND, UM, DEFINITELY MY MOTHER-IN-LAW USES THEM ALL THE TIME AND DEFINITELY PROFESSIONAL ALL THE TIME.
AND ALSO THE PUBLIC RELATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME DOING EXTRA STUFF AND, UH, I MEAN, THAT SHOWS A LOT FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO PLEASE THANK 'EM FOR ME.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO, UH, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ORGANIZATION CHART THE WAY WE SEE IT ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING FOR APPROVAL? OKAY.
DOES THIS BE, UH, THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
SO NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH
[ City Salary Ranges/Wage Levels]
THEN, UH, GOES TO THE CITY SALARY RANGES AND WAGES LEVEL.SO YEAH, THIS IS JUST COMPANION LEGISLATION WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAW.
THIS IS JUST BASICALLY TAKING THOSE POSITIONS AND PUTTING THEM IN THE PAY SCALES AND REORGANIZING THE PAY SCALES TO, TO MATCH THE ORG CHART.
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ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? OKAY, THANK YOU.[ 2024 Sidewalk Program - Ordinance Of Assessment]
HAVE ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS OUR 2024 SIDEWALK PROGRAM, AND THIS IS THE, UH, ORDINANCE OF ASSESSMENT.UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, BEFORE YOU, UH, ANNUAL LEGISLATION THAT, UH, ONCE ALL OF THE SIDEWALK WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED, WE COME TO YOU WITH, UM, WHAT'S BEEN, UH, ESTIMATED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU'LL FIND IN THE LEGISLATION, THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT IS $116,831 AND 69 CENTS.
AND, UH, THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN, UH, THEY WERE TOLD AS, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT PIECE OF LEGISLATION FOR THE 2025 PROGRAM.
SO THEY'VE KNOWN IN ADVANCE THAT THIS IS COMING.
AND SO, UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED BY COUNSEL ON MONDAY NIGHT, WHICH IT IS AN ORDINANCE, SO I WOULD ASK FOR THE SECOND, UH, READING OF THE ORDINANCE BE WAIVED AND APPROVED ON MONDAY NIGHT.
WE WILL, UH, WE HAVE READY, UH, ALL THE LETTERS OF THE ASSESSMENTS FOR THOSE THAT HAD SIDEWALKS TO DO THIS YEAR, AND THEY HAVE A CHOICE.
THEY CAN COME IN AND PAY BY AUGUST 9TH, OR WE WILL, UM, CERTIFY IT TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR.
AND, UH, THOSE WILL BE, UM, COLLECTED ON THE PROPERTY TAXES NEXT YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JIM? AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE SEE EVERY YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME, SO, MM-HMM,
ANY ISSUES, OBJECTIONS TO MOVING ON? OKAY.
[ 2025 Sidewalk Program - Resolution Of Necessity]
THEN, UH, NEXT IS THE FOLLOWING PIECE, WHICH IS THE 2025 SIDEWALK PROGRAM.AND THIS IS THE RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY, JIM? YES.
UH, THIS IS, UM, UH, COUNCIL, UM, UM, ACCEPTING LEGISLATION THAT, UM, THE, UM, SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS TO, UH, WHAT SHOULD BE REPAIRED FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, BELIEVE THAT, UH, RESIDENTS HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR TO HIRE THEIR OWN, UH, FIRM TO, UM, UH, TO PERFORM THAT, THAT WORK.
IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO OR ALLOW THE CITY TO DO IT, THEN THE CITY WILL DO IT NEXT YEAR, UH, WE WILL SEND A LETTER OUT TO ALL OF THE AFFECTED, UH, SIDEWALK, UH, OWNERS, AND, UH, AND THEY HAVE A CHOICE.
UH, IT'LL BE AN ESTIMATE THAT WE'LL SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE, UH, BELIEVE IT WILL COST.
ALL OF OUR ESTIMATES EACH YEAR HAVE ALWAYS COME IN, UH, THE ACTUAL HAS ALWAYS COME IN LOWER THAN WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS, BUT IT GIVES THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT THEMSELVES OR ALLOW THE CITY TO DO IT.
SO IF THE CITY DOES IT, THEN WE'LL BE HERE, UH, COMING BACK, UH, NEXT YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME TO, UH, UH, TO GIVE YOU THE LEGISLATION FOR THE ASSESSMENTS, UH, THAT WILL BE DUE, UH, IN AUGUST OF 25.
SO DO THEY HAVE TILL DECEMBER 31ST TO HAVE THE WORK DONE, OR CAN THEY SAY WE'VE CONTRACTED SOMEBODY? THEY'RE COMING IN MAY BECAUSE AT THIS POINT TO GET THAT LETTER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR THIS SEASON AT THIS POINT.
AND, UH, NORMALLY THE ENGINEER IS HERE.
HE'S, UH, NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER ACCORDING TO WHAT I THINK WILL BE THE, UH, I THINK AS LONG AS THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WANT TO USE THEIR OWN CONTRACTOR, AND EVEN IF THAT CONTRACTOR CAN'T DO THE WORK UNTIL NEXT YEAR, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
THEY JUST NEED TO LET US KNOW.
SO WHEN WE'RE HIRING OUR OWN CONTRACTOR, THAT WE NEED TO KNOW, UM, TO GIVE THAT CONTRACTOR AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WORK'S INVOLVED SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH, UH, PROPER ESTIMATES AND, UH, AND, AND BID ON THE PROJECT ACCORDING TO THE, THE WORK THAT THEY CAN HANDLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MY ONLY THING WITH THIS, IS THAT IT'S BEEN SO LATE IN THE SEASON THAT OFTENTIMES PEOPLE AREN'T ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY TO DO THE WORK AND STUFF.
SO I, I'M GLAD IT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK A FEW MONTHS AND EVERYTHING, BUT AS LONG AS PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO GET IT DONE EARLY NEXT YEAR, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
I, YES, I THOUGHT RUSS SAID THAT THIS GIVES THEM ALMOST A YEAR'S NOTICE IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY HAVE PLENTY TIME, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
JUST IF THEY HAD TO HAVE IT DONE BY DECEMBER 31ST AT THIS POINT OF GETTING, IT'S 2025.
BUT I WAS JUST SAYING, WHEN IT SAID DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, I'M LIKE, IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE WORD DONE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, IT'S PROBABLY NOT HAPPENING, HAPPENING AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS, IT'S FOR THE 25 PROGRAM.
SO PROGRAM, WE'RE GONNA START OUR WORK IF, IF, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT WE WILL DO IT INSTEAD OF THE HOMEOWNER, UM, THAT WORK USUALLY TAKES PLACE AROUND APRIL, MAY TIMEFRAME.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET IT DONE SOON ENOUGH SO THERE'S ENOUGH TIME WITH ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL TO DO THE ASSESSMENTS.
AND SO THERE'S A, IS A, A VERY TIGHT TIMEFRAME AND, UH, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY.
[01:15:01]
NEXT WE[ Issuance Of Notes - Renewal - $1,662,000]
HAVE ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES, UH, THE RENEWAL FOR 1,000,006 62, JIM, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, ANNUAL LEGISLATION.UM, AS YOU KNOW, BACK IN 2019, WE PURCHASED THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT I'LL CALL THE LAYMAN PROPERTY.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, AT THAT TIME IT WAS, UH, $3.75 MILLION.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, SOLD SOME OF THOSE PROPERTY, UH, PORTIONS OF THAT PROPERTY, UH, OVER THE YEARS.
AND NOW, UM, AS OF LAST YEAR, WE'RE DOWN TO JUST 1,000,660 2000.
AND I BELIEVE, UM, UH, AARON IS WORKING WITH SOMEONE RIGHT NOW TO, UH, PURCHASE A PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WILL, UM, BE COMING IN ABOUT 1.7 MILLION.
SO THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST TIME THAT I COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO RENEW THIS NOTE.
AND, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THIS LEGISLATION THROUGH OUR BOND COUNCIL CHRISMAN THAT ALLOWS US TO SELL IT, UH, BEFORE THE MATURITY, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT YEAR.
SO, UH, WE CAN PAY THAT OFF, UH, AS SOON AS IT, UM, IS SOLD.
JIM, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, MARK, JIM WAS PART OF THAT LAND THAT WE PAID 3.75 MILLION WHERE SHEETS IS OH, YES.
AND HOW MUCH DID SHEETS PAY US? I CAN'T RECALL THAT NUMBER.
IS IT A MILLION OR A MILLION? SEVEN? IT WAS CLOSE TO 1,000,006.
AND THEN WE SOLD SOME ACRES ACROSS THE STREET.
WAS IT 14 ACRES? WE HAVE 14 ACRES UNDER CONTRACT.
RP NOT PARK TOWN, BUT THE APARTMENTS THAT AREN'T OUT OF THE GROUND YET.
WE HAVE, UH, A PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR ANOTHER FOUR, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE NEGOTIATING AN, UH, AN AGREEMENT NOW FOR THE REMAINING 20, SO THE 14 ACRES WE SOLD FOR ABOUT HOW MUCH? JUST ROUGH PER ACRE, ABOUT, UH, AROUND 90,000 AN ACRE.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE COVERED OUR COSTS.
BUT WE STILL OWE 1,000,662, IS THAT WHAT I JUST HEARD? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
HOW IS THAT? WELL, SO WE'VE ALSO, WE'LL GET THE, ALL THOSE NUMBER NUMBERS TO YOU.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? OKAY.
AND JIM, THIS CAN GO TO TWO READINGS, I BELIEVE IN CHRIS MANN'S SCHEDULE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE IT IS AN ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, THE RENEWAL DATE, UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO, UM, UH, TO SUBMIT.
I THINK THE RENEWAL IS SEPTEMBER 27TH, SO WE CAN HAVE IT AT THIS MEETING.
AND THEN SECOND READING CAN BE, I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER 12TH IS THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, OR, I'M SORRY, AUGUST.
[ Design Contract - App Architecture - Fire Station 23]
IS THE DESIGN CONTRACT AND THE, UM, APP ARCHITECTURE FOR FIRE STATION 23, CHIEF.UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, UH, ARCHITECTURE.
UH, IN, UM, THIS YEAR WE BUDGETED, UH, IN OUR BUDGET, WE HAVE, UH, SOME RENOVATIONS IN AN ADDITION TO STATION 23.
A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, WE FIRST IDENTIFIED THE NEED, PROBABLY LATE 2020 2021, ESPECIALLY WITH COVID.
UM, WE, WE PUT THIS IN OUR CIP IN 2022 FOR 2023.
UH, THAT GOT PUSHED BACK TO THE THIRD QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.
UM, STATION 23 WAS, UH, RENOVATED MANY YEARS AGO.
MR. CAMPBELL CERTAINLY COULD RE REMEMBER WHEN THEY DID THE ADDITION AT STATION 22, WHERE THEY RE REBUILT, REDESIGNED THAT STATION, STATION 23 KIND OF GOT THE REMNANTS OF WHAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM THAT PROJECT.
UH, SO LIKE UPSTAIRS, THEY DON'T HAVE COMPLETE BEDROOMS. THEY HAVE SMALLER BUNK ROOMS. UH, THE, THE WALLS ARE ONLY ABOUT SIX AND A HALF, SEVEN FOOT TALL.
UH, DURING COVID, UH, BEFORE COVID IT WAS SNORING THAT CAUSED PEOPLE TO WANT TO HAVE PRIVATE ROOMS.
UH, THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NO FITNESS AREA.
UH, SO OUR FITNESS AREAS IN THE BASE BASE.
SO WE HAVE VALUABLE BASE BASE, ESPECIALLY AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW.
WE WANNA PARK THINGS, UH, PARK THINGS INSIDE AND HAVE THEM, UH, READY TO GO.
UH, WORKING OUT IN THE BAY AREA IS NOT THE MOST IDEAL CONDITIONS FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THE LAST, UH, RENOVATION, IT WAS NOT QUITE 30 YEARS AGO, BUT WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO IT.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH APP ARCHITECTURE.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, BASED ON OUR OVERALL EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH APP AND, UH, WITH WHAT A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES AROUND US, LIKE INGLEWOOD, KETTERING, WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP, BEAVER CREEK, GERMANTOWN, SPRINGFIELD, MIDDLETOWN HAVE ALL HAD VERY GOOD LUCK, UH, WITH APP.
UH, WE'VE HAD THEM TAKE SOME, UH, WE DON'T HAVE DRAWINGS.
UH, WE HAVE SOME LAND ISSUE, UH,
[01:20:01]
OVER THERE THAT, UH, STATION 23 WAS BUILT.THEY HAD TO DO A LOT OF FILLING TO, TO MAKE IT LEVEL GROUND.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF SPECIAL ENGINEERING, BUT THE ARCHITECT FEELS THEY CAN, UH, CAN GET A NICE DESIGN.
UH, SO WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, TO, UH, UH, HIRE APP, UH, FOR A DESIGN BUILD CONCEPT OF, UH, $266,750.
UH, OUR GOAL WOULD BE IS TO KIND OF COORDINATE THIS WITH, UM, I'M NOWHERE NEAR A FINANCE PERSON WITH THE ISSUANCE OF NOTES LATER ON IN THE YEAR, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THE ARCHITECT UP AND RUNNING AND HAVE IT READY FOR WHEN THE NOTES ARE READY TO BE ISSUED TO, TO GO OUT WITH THE RFP FOR THE, FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
UH, REALLY SOME NEED IDEAS OF PEOPLE ARE PRETTY, UH, PSYCHED ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING, UH, NICE, NICE FACILITIES, UH, OVER THERE THAT MATCH THE OTHER STATIONS.
I'M SURE THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN LEFT OUT.
UM, THEY DID GET THE NEW TILLER RELAX.
WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IT IN A BAR, YOU KNOW THAT'S TRUE.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THEM.
MANY YEARS AGO THEY HAD DOOR STOPPERS, AND ONE OF THE GUYS NOTICED THAT AT STATION 22, THE DOOR STOPPERS WERE GOLD, AND AT 20 THREES THEY WERE SILVER.
SO THEY NOTICED THAT YEARS AGO.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? NO.
[ City Parks - Roofing Projects/Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Maxim Roofing]
J, WHICH IS, UH, FOR OUR CITY PARKS.THIS IS THE ROOFING PROJECTS AND AN INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, UH, FOR MAXIMUM ROOFING.
UM, THIS IS PRETTY BASIC LEGISLATION.
UM, BASICALLY THIS IS FOR TWO AREAS, UM, OF PARKS.
UM, ONE IS THE CLOUD PARK HOUSE, THE OTHER ONE IS THE GAZEBO AT COMMUNITY PARK.
UM, THESE WERE BOTH BIDS SEPARATELY, UM, UM, BY OFFICIAL BIDDING PROJECTS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN THREE BIDS AND STUFF.
BUT BASICALLY THE, UH, THE BOARDED BID WAS A SINGLE PERSON.
SO THE LEGISLATION HAS TO BE REQUIRED FOR APPROVAL BY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE AMOUNT FOR THAT TOTAL MAXIMUM OF THAT CONTRACTOR.
NOW, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE ALSO LIKE TO, UM, ASK FOR APPROVAL OF THIS RIGHT AWAY, SO WE GET THIS MOVING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR TO GET IT DONE THIS, THIS KIND OF SEASON BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
WHEN WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET STARTED? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET STARTED BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, YOU THINK? OR IS THERE THEY'RE SCHEDULED OUT TO, I'M HOPING, YEAH, DEFINITELY BY THE END OF THE SEASON.
I'M HOPING TO HAVE 'EM DONE BY, YOU KNOW, LIKE BEFORE THE SNOWFALLS THANKSGIVING.
BUT THE, THE SOONER WE, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
THE MORE, THE MORE, THE MORE I CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
MARK, HAVE YOU DONE SIMILAR ROOFING TO LIKE SHAW GATE PARK? YES.
MR. CAMPBELL, WAIT, ALL THE PARKS, MIKE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB WITH ALL THE PARKS.
THESE WILL, THESE WILL DEFINITELY BE THE SIMILAR DESIGN AS THE METAL ROOFING THAT WE'VE DONE IN SIMILAR AREAS.
SAME AESTHETIC THAT I'M TRYING TO KEEP, LIKE I SAID AROUND HERE WITH THE COLOR SCHEME AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS AS WELL.
WELL, I APPRECIATE MIKE AND HIS TENURE.
ANYONE ELSE AS ANY GOOD LEADER WOULD SAY?
[ Thomas Cloud Park - Improvements/Splash Pad - Request For Proposals (RFP)]
IS, UH, FOR THOMAS CLOUD PARK, AND THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SPLASH PAD AND, UH, THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE CLOUD PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SOLICIT BIDS FOR, UM, PLANNING DESIGN.
AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THIS FIRM OVERSEE THE CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF, UM, ASSISTING US IN AN OVERSIGHT CAPACITY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY WITH ULTIMATELY WHO WE END UP AWARDING CONSTRUCTION WORK TO.
SO, UM, THAT RESOLUTION IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
YOU ALSO HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT IS A DRAFT OF THAT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
UM, I KNOW I GOT SOME EMAILS WITH SOME REQUESTS OF THINGS TO, TO MAKE SURE THE DESIGN FIRM KNEW WE WANTED.
AND I THINK EVEN AFTER WE SUBMIT, UM, THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, WE'LL STILL HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS WITH THOSE DESIGN FIRMS IF ANY MORE IDEAS COME UP.
SO I KNOW THERE IS A DESIRE FOR EXPEDIENCY ON THIS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SARAH? ANYTHING? UM, WHERE ARE WE GONNA ADVERTISE THIS?
[01:25:03]
UM, SO THAT IS STILL PART OF THE CONVERSATION.I'M TALKING WITH, UM, ENGINEERING AND AARON AS WELL ON, UM, THE FIRMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEND IT TO.
WE GONNA PUT IT IN ANY TRADE MAGAZINES.
SO, SO WE WILL LIKELY, UM, POST IT TO THE, UM, THE STATE CHAPTER OF FIRMS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, UH, GROUPS AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BID NECESSARILY ADVERTISE IT NATIONWIDE, UH, BECAUSE WE WILL GET A, A BETTER POOL OF LOCAL CONTRACTORS WHO KNOW OUR, WHO KNOW OUR REGION, KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION, KNOW THE TRADES.
UM, ALSO, UM, HAVE WE ESTABLISHED OUR EVALUATION CRITERIA FOR, UM, WHEN THESE BIDS COME IN AND, UM, YES.
SO BECAUSE IT IS THE, THE, UM, PROPOSAL IS JUST TO CREATE A PROPOSAL FOR US, UM, WE COULD END UP GETTING SOME PROPOSALS THAT ARE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER.
WE COULD ALSO END UP WANTING TO EVALUATE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE FIRM COULD GIVE US A LOW COST, ANOTHER FIRM COULD HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE AND A THIRD FIRM COULD HAVE JUST BLOWN IT OUT OF THE WATER IN INDIANAPOLIS, LET'S SAY.
SO BECAUSE OF THE VARIABLES, UM, WE ARE JUST GONNA HAVE THE REVIEW TEAM COMPARE WHAT WE GET RATHER THAN CREATING AN A, B, C CHECKLIST BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF CREATIVITY AND DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT COULD BE USED.
WOULD IT CALL FOR A TWO STEP BIDDING PROCESS VERSUS GOING OUT AND GETTING A WIDE VARIETY OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE CONCEPT IN THE FIRST BID AND, AND THEN YOU NARROW DOWN THE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH SHOULD MAKE THE BIDS MORE, UM, CONSISTENT, I GUESS, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LARGE GAP IN, IN PROPOSALS? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WILL NEED TO DO THAT PROCESS.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST GETTING THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD APPROACH KIND OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE OFFERING THEM ENOUGH DETAILS OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE PROPOSAL, I THINK THEY'LL BE SIMILAR ENOUGH.
THERE JUST MIGHT BE FACETS TO THE INDIVIDUAL FIRMS THAT WE WISH TO CONSIDER AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, UM, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING FOR DOLLAR SIGNS OR, OR EXACT, UM, CRITERIA THAT WE MIGHT LIST OUT.
SO I THINK INSTEAD WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROPOSALS, REVIEW THEM, AND FROM THERE FOLLOW UP AND AWARD.
I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU'RE HAVING A PRE BIDDING CONFERENCE THAT SHOULD, YES, WE WILL DO THAT.
THAT SHOULD HELP NARROW WHAT WE REALLY NEED.
I THINK SOMETIMES WE END UP, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND THIS COULD BE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.
SOMETIMES JUST YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND BY, BY NOT LISTING OUT SOME SPECIFIC CRITERIA, WE MIGHT FIND SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WANTED TRUE.
OR FIND SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT, THEN YES, I THINK THE IDEA OF THEN GOING FORWARD AND BUT PREDETERMINING WHAT THOSE CRITERIA ARE AHEAD OF TIME.
UH, I DON'T THINK I'M A A BIG FAN OF THAT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE MIGHT NOT KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
AND, AND IN THESE TYPES OF AWARDS, UM, OFTENTIMES THE INTERVIEWS YOU DO WITH THEIR PAST CLIENTS, UH, ARE REALLY AS IMPORTANT, IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN, UM, THE, THE STATED CRITERIA, THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, HOW THEY WORKED, HOW THEY, WERE THEY ON TIME, WERE THEY EASY TO WORK WITH? WERE THEY RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT KIND OF THING.
MARK, I THANK YOU SARAH, AS THE COUNCIL WARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT AREA.
I APPRECIATE NUMBER ONE THAT WE HIRED YOU AND THAT WE TOOK OUR PARKS TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD'VE AT SOME POINT, RECOGNIZED ONE OF JIM THOMAS CLOUD IS, I'M JUST THANKFUL THAT YOU RECOGNIZED IT SO SOON, AND I THINK YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT THE SOUTHERN PART OF HUB HEIGHTS, UM, COULD USE SOME REINVESTMENT.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING REINVESTMENT TO A RETAIL LIBRARY, APARTMENT COMPLEX AT FISHBURG AND TROY, THANKS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BUT I BELIEVE THIS SORT OF INVESTMENT OR REINVESTMENT IS, IS REALLY GOING TO JUST LIFT UP THAT ENTIRE AREA, THAT ENTIRE WARD.
UH, SO I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE, JOHN.
I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK THIS SERIOUS AND THAT WORKING WITH SARAH AND AARON AND STAFF THAT YOU'VE PUT THIS ON THE FRONT BURNER AND I LOOK FORWARD AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU GET BACK.
[01:30:01]
MS. SARAH, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER GRANTS FOR OTHER PARKS.HAVE YOU CHECKED ABOUT ANY GRANTS FOR THIS BIG PROJECT? UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE GEOGRAPHICAL REGION OF CLOUD PARK AND IT BEING NEAR SOME HIGH NEED COMMUNITIES.
UM, I HAVE NOT PUT SOLID PLANS INTO PLACE FOR WHICH ONES WE WILL GO AFTER, UM, DUE TO JUST TRYING TO GET THIS MOVING QUICKER, TRYING TO GET THE PROPOSAL OUT THERE AND THEN THAT FUNDING CAN COME.
UM, IN THE PROPOSAL, I HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE DESIGNERS GIVE US SOME KIND OF COMMON SENSE CATEGORIES TO LUMP THE PROJECTS TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN THAT WILL ALSO HELP TAILOR WHICH GRANT MONIES WE GO FOR ON WHAT TIMELINES.
SO I DO THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY THAT I'VE NOT INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFIED A SPECIFIC GRANT YET.
UH, UH, SHARON IN THE PAST, UM, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FOLKS AT ODNR AND UH, THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL GRANTS FOR WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
SO THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE ONE ORGANIZATION YOU WANT TO CHECK? YES.
I THINK WHEN WE HAVE THIS BACK AND MONIES, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE FUNDRAISING PLAN WILL BE PART OF THE DEPARTMENT SCOPE AS WELL.
SO, UM, WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME LOCAL FUNDRAISING AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GRANTS AND PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, UM, THAT WE BELONG TO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FEDERAL, STATE MONIES.
EVERYTHING'S KIND OF ON THE TABLE FOR THIS PROJECT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS WOULD COME IN, BUT I THINK ONE THING THAT, UH, WAS BROUGHT BEFORE, AND I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT PARK HAS STRUGGLED WITH FOR A WHILE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE RFP IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT IN OR SUGGESTION, BUT I THINK WE NEED A NEW SIGN DOWN THERE AT CLOUD PARK THAT IS MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH BIGGER THAN THE ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT WOULD FIT INTO ALL THIS, BUT, UM, WE REALLY MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY LAST TIME TO REALLY PUT A NICE SIGN DOWN THERE.
IT KIND OF GOT WHITTLED DOWN TO WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THAT PARK.
AND SARAH, YOU WILL FIND THAT IN THE MANIFESTO THAT I PROVIDED CLERK OF COUNCIL ROGERS ALONG WITH, UH, A DOZEN OTHER SUGGESTIONS.
AND I, I, AND I THINK THAT, UM, PERSONALLY THAT IF WE DID THAT ON, ON, UH, A SEPARATE RFP, THAT UH, WE COULD GET IT DONE QUICKER.
AND IT COULD BE, MAYBE THAT'S, IF, IF YOU MEAN IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO BRING, YOU KNOW, SOME SHINY NEW THERE YEAH.
MAYBE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, UM, LOOKING AT THE SIGN OF FACT, I'LL JUST ASK HIM IF THEY MADE ANY OBJECTIONS, UM, DIRECTING JOHN TO KIND OF LOOK IN INTO THAT AND PUTTING TOGETHER SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT A SIGN, MAYBE EVEN SEPARATE THAN THIS RFP, UM, TO GET A, A SIGN QUICKER DOWN THERE.
UM, I DO HAVE IN THIS RFP GATEWAY DESIGN.
UM, WHICH I THINK COULD OFFER US A CREATIVE AND ATTRACTIVE SORT OF SIGN, RATHER THAN IF I WENT TO A SIGN COMPANY AND SAID, GIMME SOMETHING BIG.
UM, SO EITHER WAY WE CAN LOOK INTO IT MORE.
UH, BUT I DID HAVE THAT INCLUDED.
MAYBE WE HAVE THAT COSTED OUT SEPARATELY, SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, MAYBE DO THAT AS A, SOMETHING NOW, NOW AS OPPOSED TO LUMPING THE SIGN IN WITH ALL OF THE OTHER WORK.
UM, BUT YEAH, HAVING IT DONE IN THAT RP, BUT JUST HAVE THAT DONE SEPARATELY SO WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THAT DONE SOONER THAN LATER, I THINK.
AND, AND IF THEY, UH, WANT TO PULL THE OLD FILE OUT, IF THEY CAN FIND IT.
WE HAD A BUNCH OF EXAMPLES WHERE WE WENT OUT FOR SOLICIT SOLICITATION BEFORE.
UH, THERE'S SOME GREAT IDEAS IN THERE AND, UM, MIGHT, MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THIS FAMILY, THOMAS CLOUD IS STILL IN THE AREA.
MAYBE REDEDICATE THE PARK AFTER IT'S DONE.
OH, THAT'S A WONDERFUL, WE WOULDN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO THAT.
TO DO WHAT? TO REDEDICATE THE PARK TO THE CLOUD FAMILY.
THE FAMILY'S STILL IN THE AREA.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT RENAME IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT REDEDICATE JUST RE-APPRECIATE THE FAMILY BECAUSE THEY YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
BRIAN, WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, LOONEY PARK.
AND BRIAN, LIKE, BRIAN'S, BRIAN'S A FAN OF THAT LOONEY TOO.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN AMUSEMENT PARK TO BE HONEST.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Donation Of Real Property - Executive Boulevard]
L, WHICH IS DONATION OF REAL PROPERTY, UH, ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.[01:35:01]
YES.UH, SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT'S, UH, ACCEPTING FOUR ACRES OF PROPERTY FROM, UM, UH, METRO ROSE DEVELOPMENT.
AS PART OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM, THEY ARE DONATING THE FOUR ACRES.
UH, THE RESOLUTION AUTHOR ALSO DIRECTS THE CITY MANAGER TO DIRECT STAFF TO EFFECTUATE, UM, UH, THE, THE, UM, DELIVERY AND CONSTRUCTION OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A RESTAURANT BREWERY SITE PAD.
SO WE'RE MOVING ALL OF THAT FORWARD NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ Title Sponsorship - The Big Hoopla’s Hometown Heroes Military Appreciation Night]
NEXT IS ITEM 3M, WHICH IS THE TITLE SPONSORSHIP FOR THE BIG HOOPLA, HOMETOWN, HEROES, MILITARY APPRECIATION NIGHT.UH, JOHN, THIS WAS, THIS WAS FANTASTIC LAST YEAR, SO I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU.
SO, I, I'M, I, I'M FORTUNATE TO COME IN AT THE AFTER EFFECTS OF LAST YEAR'S EVENT.
UM, THEY REACHED OUT TO US AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY WITH, WITH THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
THEY WANNA BE, UM, AS BIG AND AS GOOD AS THEY WERE LAST YEAR, IF NOT BETTER.
SO, UM, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE ACT PICKED.
UM, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED, UM, THEIR, UM, MEDIA BLITZ FOR IT.
UM, THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO US AGAIN AND ASKED US TO, UM, BE A, UM, TITLE SPONSOR.
AND I THINK, UM, I WAS AT LAST YEAR'S EVENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE WELL SERVED.
UM, A FEW THINGS THAT WE GET FROM THIS, OBVIOUSLY, BESIDES JUST THE, THE RECOGNITION WE ALSO GET, UM, TO HONOR ABOUT 150 AIRMEN, UM, WITH TICKETS, UM, WITH THIS EVENT AS WELL THAT WE WOULD PURCHASE, UH, WITH THIS MONEY.
SO, UM, I I, I, I KNOW MOST OF US GOT HERE AS I DID WITH A 35 YEAR VET OF THE AIR FORCE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING ME TO RIGHT PAT.
YEAH, I THINK THIS IS, UH, LA LAST YEAR WAS FANTASTIC.
AND YOU SAID THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE, I THINK THE DAY IS WHAT, SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH? UH, YES, THE FIFTH.
IT'LL BE CLOSE WINDOW AND IT'LL BE AT THE ROSE AGAIN, SO, YEP.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTION? OKAY.
[ Annexation Update ]
THREE N, WHICH IS, UH, AN ANNEXATION UPDATE.UH, SO THIS WAS REALLY JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES.
UM, YOU'RE WELL AWARE THAT, UM, WE HAVE A DEADLINE APPROACHING FOR THE COUNSEL TO MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, SO WE ARE JUST MAKING SURE THAT STAFF IS TEED UP FOR ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS, UH, THAT NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION THAT YOU CHOOSE.
SO, UH, THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS, UM, THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WITH BETHEL TOWNSHIP.
THAT WAS, UH, THAT, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED LAST YEAR.
WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU, UM, AT, AT YOUR DIRECTION.
WE ALSO NEED TO AMEND THE 2009 AGREEMENT WITH DECK, UM, TO KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP.
IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, SORT OF CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO, WE WANT TO MAKE A CLEAN BREAK BETWEEN CARRIAGE TRAILS ONE.
SO WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE WORKING WITH COUNSEL, UH, TO MAKE A FEW AMENDMENTS ON THAT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE DRAFTED A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS, UM, CORPORATION, THE DEVELOPERS FOR CARRIAGE TRAILS TWO.
UM, THOSE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND, THAT AMENDMENT, PLUS A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL BE DRAFTING THE LEGISLATION, UM, JUST SO IT'S THERE FOR, UM, FOR THE ANNEXATION APPROVAL, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNCIL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND SO THAT ALL OF THESE ARE TEED UP, UH, AND READY TO GO, UM, AT YOUR DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
MAYOR, CAN YOU REMIND US OF THE DEADLINE DATE? I DON'T, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S, I THINK IT'S APPROXIMATELY SEPTEMBER 6TH.
OKAY, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, THERE IS A REASON AND A NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD, SO THIS WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSIDER THE APPOINTMENT AND OR EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC, UH, EMPLOYEE OR OFFICIAL.
SIR, IS THERE A MOTION MARK? MOTION TO ADOPT NANCY.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
MOTION TO ENTER EXECUTIVE SESSION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO.
UH, WE WILL COME BACK OUT WHEN EXECUTIVE SESSION IS FINISHED AND INFORM ANYONE IF ANY DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
IT'S NOW 7 41 AND WE'LL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION DAYS.
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OKAY.WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND AT THE, UH, REQUEST OF COUNSEL, WE ARE GOING TO ADD AN ITEM TO MONDAY'S AGENDA TO, UH, APPOINT JOHN RUSSELL AS THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER.
SO WE WILL SEE THAT ITEM ALSO ON MONDAY'S MEETING.