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[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road July 9, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
THE MEETING OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? ALRIGHT, MR. CASSIDY.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS, UH, OR COMMENTS, ANYONE ELSE OF THE COMMISSION? NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
NEXT IS SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN COURTS WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON A THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I OBJECT.
I ASK ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHEN THEY STEP TO THE PODIUM AND SPELL THEIR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND GIVE THEIR NAME.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE NO PENDING BUSINESS.
THE FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, FOUR STAR REAL ESTATE GROUP, INC.
IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FINAL PLAT FOR CANAL HEIGHTS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 46 33 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, DDP 24 DASH 14.
UH, MR. UH, CHAIRMAN AARON RELL, CITY, COOPER HEIGHTS.
SO, UH, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS THE VILLAGES OF WESTPORT.
UM, THEY ARE SEEKING A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL FOR THEIR FIRST TWO SECTIONS.
UH, THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2021.
UH, IT IS, UH, 291 ACRES, OR EXCUSE ME, 291 LOTS ON 171 ACRES.
UM, CONTAINS 71 LOTS ON ABOUT 52 ACRES.
UH, APPROXIMATELY 33 ACRES OF THAT IS RESERVED FOR, UH, OPEN SPACE.
SECTION TWO CONTAINS 46 LOTS ON 30 ACRES, APPROXIMATELY 18, UH, ACRES OF THAT IS RESERVED FOR OPEN SPACE.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR VILLAGES OF WESTPORT AND THIS PROJECT, EXCUSE ME, ARE THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN THE TIMING OF THE TWO, UM, SECTIONS.
THE FIRST, UH, VILLAGES OF WEB PORT WAS GONNA START ON THE EAST SIDE.
THIS TIME THEY'RE GONNA START ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE AND, AND MAKE ITS WAY, UM, THROUGH THESE ARE JUST SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED.
SO, UM, THE PROPOSED DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY, UH, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND ALSO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THE PRIOR VILLAGE AS A WESTPORT PROJECT WITH THE ADDITION OF A STREET TREE REQUIREMENT.
UM, OUR SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, UH, PROHIBIT STREET TREES IN THE TREE LAWN.
UH, SO WHAT I AM REQUIRING, UH, OR SUGGESTING AS A CONDITION IS THAT IN THEIR LANDSCAPE PACKAGE, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE STREET TREE, UH, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, UH, SIDEWALK FOR EACH HOUSE BECAUSE SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE BUILT RECENTLY ARE A LITTLE STARK.
UM, SO AS FAR AS COMMENTS, UH, MINOR COMMENTS FROM FIRE WERE RELATED TO REALLY DRAWING, UH, LEGIBILITY AND HYDRANT PLACEMENT.
UM, THE ENGINEER HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANTIAL COMMENTS AND REALLY THAT DEALS WITH MAKING SURE THAT, UM, SESCO THEIR ENGINEER FOUR STARS ENGINEER, IS COORDINATING THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WITH CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING.
OUR FIRM THAT IS DESIGNING THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WIDENING, UH, WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD WIDENING DESIGN WHILE THE VILLAGES OF WESTPORT PROJECT STALLED, UH, TEMPORARILY.
SO WE ARE A LITTLE FURTHER AHEAD THAN, THAN THEY ARE.
SO THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND MATCH UP WITH THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
SO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE FINAL PLAT SUBMITTED ON JUNE 18TH WITH THESE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE RECORD PLANS AND HOA COVENANTS INCLUDE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE, UH, IN THE REZONING ORDINANCE FOR VILLAGES OF WESTPORT.
THE APPLICANT GRADES AND COMPACTS AN AREA A FOUR, AN 11 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH, BUT IS ONLY REQUIRED TO CONDUCT OR CONSTRUCT FIVE FOOT ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OF THEIR CHOICE.
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WHEN WE'RE FINISHING UP THE WIDENING OF CHAMBERSBURG AND THE BIKE PATH WILL CONSTRUCT THE OTHER FIVE FEET, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT COORDINATES THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT DESIGNS WITH OUR ENGINEERING FIRM.CHOICE ONE, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT COVENANTS SHALL REQUIRE AT LEAST ONE STREET TREE PER LOT IN THEIR LANDSCAPING PACKAGE.
SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF, UH, APPROVING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS OR DENYING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH, MR. JEFFRIES.
SO AARON, YOU, UH, SORRY, THIS ONE'S GONNA GO DOWN TO WHAT ENDICOTT ROAD AREA? IS THAT RIGHT? IT IS, YES.
SO WITH THE 11 FOOT PATH, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST HAVE THE WHOLE 11 FOOT PORTED AT ONCE WHILE WE'RE DOING IT? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S GONNA COST A LITTLE MORE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO, SO, SO THEY'RE GONNA MOVE FASTER THAN WE ARE, I THINK ON THE CHAMBERSBURG, UM, WIDENING.
SO I, THE SCHEDULE, BECAUSE WE'RE USING FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THE CHAMBERSBURG WIDENING AND THE BIKE PATH, THE SCHEDULE IS THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, STARTED OR COMPLETED UNTIL 2026.
UM, I THINK HAVING MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR, THEIR PORTION OF THE CHAMBERS FOR WIDENING BEFORE WE GET TO IT.
UM, SO I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK THERE.
UM, THE REASON WE DID NOT REQUIRE THEM TO JUST BUILD THE 11 FOOT ALTOGETHER IS ONE, WE CAN'T, UH, TWO, IT ALSO WILL KIND OF INTERFERE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT M-V-R-P-C IS CURRENTLY DOING ON THE, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE CHAMBERSBURG WIDENING AS A WHOLE, IS IT, IT IS, IS IT GONNA CONNECT? IT'S NOT GONNA CONNECT TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK UNTIL WE COME IN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THERE'LL BE ABOUT A NINE MONTH, NINE TO 12 AT THE MOST, A 12 MONTH GAP.
SO COULDN'T WE JUST HAVE THEM PUT A BOND UP FOR THEIR PORTION OF IT AND DO IT ALL TOGETHER AT THE END? OR WE CAN, UM, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD HAD BEFORE WITH THE DEVELOPERS IS THEY WANTED THE SIDEWALKS IN THERE TO BE AN AMENITY FOR THEIR RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY BE, ALREADY GONNA BE STARTING TO MOVE IN.
SO IF THEY CHOOSE TO BASICALLY PAY US INSTEAD, THAT'S FINE.
BUT, UM, WHAT I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THEY DID THE GRADING AND THE BASE WORK SO THAT WE'RE NOT REDOING WHAT THEY ALREADY DID.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT, AS WE DO OUR PART, IT'S GONNA BE CLEAR WHERE THE TRANSITION IS UNLESS WE MAKE THE ENTIRE, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME PUT INTO THE CHAMBERSBURG WIDENING.
SO OUR PART'S GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THEIR PART WHEN IF WE HAVE IT KIND OF TWO PIECE INSTEAD OF ONE.
SO IT WILL, THERE, THERE WILL BE A, UM, THERE WILL BE A MATCH LINE DOWN THE CENTER OF THE PATH, BASICALLY AN EXPANSION JOINT.
UM, SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE EXPANSION JOINT WILL RUN IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IN TWO SECTIONS, BUT THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE ALL CONCRETE.
UM, SO IT SHOULDN'T LOOK THAT DIFFERENT.
AND THEN UNDER NUMBER FIVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 20 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE BEEN UNDETERMINED ON WHAT PRES PRESERVATION MEANS, YOU KNOW, UNTOUCHED VERSUS PRESERVED.
HAVE WE, DO WE HAVE ANY DESCRIPTIONS ANYWHERE ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT SO IT DOESN'T END UP LIKE THE ONE BY WALMART? RIGHT.
UM, SO WE ARE STILL WORKING FOR, THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UM, WHAT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, UM, STIPULATED WAS THAT THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY DONATE MOST OF THE OPEN SPACE, UM, ABSENT THE RETENTION PONDS, UH, SO THAT WE COULD BUILD SOME TRAILS AND A PARK HERE AT THE CORNER.
UM, AT THE POINT, IF, IF, IF THEY STILL WANT TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA BOTHER, I THINK, WITH THE, UH, PRESERVATION AREA 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA OWN IT.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE FINAL PLAT, PUT THAT 20 FOOT PRESERVATION ZONE.
SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT JUST THE OVERHEAD ON THE, THE EARTH LOOKING.
SO AT THE TOP RIGHT, I FORGET THE NAME OF THAT ROAD, BUT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THERE WAS A CONNECTOR THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
WAS IT A ROAD, WAS IT A WALK PATH? A BIKE PATH? IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE CUTOUT IN THE DRAWING.
AND THEN AFTER IT LEFT US, IT WENT TO COUNCIL AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT CONNECTING RUSTIC WOODS.
TO ME, RUSTIC WOODS IS THE NATURAL LOOKING CONNECTOR, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW IT UNTIL AFTER IT LEFT US IN COUNCIL BROUGHT IT UP.
I MEAN, IT'S THE STRAIGHT SHOT THAT WOULD CONNECT CHAMBERSBURG ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO TAYLORSVILLE AT THAT POINT.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO LOOK INTO THAT? YEAH, SO WHAT WE ARE, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO DO.
NOW THIS, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE, THE REZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY REMOVED THIS.
THE, THE ACTUAL, WHERE IT FINALLY LANDED WAS THAT THE CONNECTION WAS TO, UM, SANDAL
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VIEW DRIVE.UM, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING, THE DEVELOPER WILL GO BACK, WE'LL COME BACK TO HERE FOR A MAJOR CHANGE FOR THEIR FINAL SECTION TO RECONNECT THAT, UM, AND BUILD THAT CONNECTION BACK.
BUT BASED ON THE LAYOUT OF THEIR SECTIONS, RUSTIC WOODS WOULD RUN RIGHT THROUGH THEM.
SO HOW DID, HOW, SO THERE'LL BE A A, SO THE PROBLEM WITH CONNECTING TO SAND, WHAT, UH, SANDAL VIEW SAND, I WOULD CONNECT, UM, RUSTIC, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN IT, SANDAL VIEW IS JUST NOT FEASIBLE.
IF YOU HAVE A COP TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN, TO HAVE TO GO UPHILL AND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW VERSUS TAYLORSVILLE STRAIGHT ACROSS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE CHALLENGE WITH RUSTIC WOODS IS THERE'S A CREEK THAT BISECTS THAT AREA.
UH, AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST PUTTING IN A BOX CULVERT TO SPAN THE CREEK.
IT WILL BE A BRIDGE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE TO GO THERE.
BECAUSE THEN, BECAUSE THEY TALKED ABOUT A BRIDGE AT ONE POINT IN COUNCIL.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE PUSHING FOR IS, IS SANDAL VIEW.
I ALSO THINK, UH, WITH RUSTIC WOODS, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A STRAIGHT SHOT, UH, YOU NOW HAVE ALSO EXCESSIVE SPEED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE SUGGESTING IT GO IT CONNECT ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO IS SANDAL VIEW ACTUALLY PART OF THIS DECISION? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, IT'S NOT, IT'LL COME BECAUSE IT'LL COME FORWARD AT A LATER DATE.
I THOUGHT THE LAST DEVELOPER DIDN'T WANNA DO IT BECAUSE OF THE TERRAIN BEING AN ISSUE.
GETTING FROM THAT HEIGHT DOWN TO WHERE THEY WERE GOING IS WAS AN OBSTACLE FOR THAT CONNECTION.
WELL, WE'RE STILL GONNA, 'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A NEW, UH, REVELATION FOR THE DEVELOPER HERE.
UM, THEIR ENGINEERS STILL NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT THERE'LL BE A CONNECTION ON ONE OR TWO, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE LIKE THE FOURTH OR FIFTH PHASE.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT TIME TO WORK THOSE DETAILS OUT.
SO HOW IF, BECAUSE IF, IF COST WAS THE OPTION OR THE ISSUE ON THE BRIDGE, HOW DO WE GET THIS BACK TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS IF THEY WANTED? 'CAUSE THEY HANDLE THE MONEY, NOT US.
SO, UM, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS BEING NEGOTIATED, THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY TO, UM, ISSUE REVENUE BONDS BASED ON A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE QUESTION WILL BE, IS THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT REVENUE ENOUGH TO COVER THAT FULL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE COST? OR DO WE NEED TO PARE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT? SO THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE BEING RUN BY A BOND COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.
SO HOW CAN WE APPROVE TONIGHT WITH NOT KNOWING WHICH CONNECTOR? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY.
BUT WE'RE SECTION ONE, BUT WE'RE GETTING A COMMITMENT THAT THEY ARE GONNA DO A CONNECTOR, CORRECT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE SHALL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT'S FAIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE HEARING? NO ONE.
IS THERE A, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? FOUR STAR REAL ESTATE GROUP, INC.
FOR A APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND FINAL PLAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 46 33 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD CASE DDP 24 DASH 14 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 2ND, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION ATTACHED THERE TO QUESTION, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE DECISION RECORD ABOUT THE CONNECTOR SINCE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE, ANYTHING ABOUT THE CONNECTOR YET? NO.
MY MARCHING ORDERS FROM MY BOSSES IS THAT WILL BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH GOES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, WHICH WOULD BE PART AND PARCEL TO THE FINANCING OF THE ENTIRE, UM, PRO PROJECT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS SOMEWHERE.
THE MOTIONS MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFF.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
UH, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT WILL, UM, RESUBMIT ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR CHAMBERSBURG AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.
NEXT ITEM ON A NEW BUSINESS IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT LLCS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 168 UNIT MARKET RATE.
FAMILY MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY COMPRISED OF A MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 AND CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
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YES.SO THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL I REQUESTED FOR 168 UNIT MARKET RATE, UH, MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THE, UH, THE PROPERTY IS 8.1 ACRES.
IT'S ZONED, UM, PLANNED, UH, MIXED USE.
THE APPLICANT HAD RESPONDED TO AN RFP THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE CITY.
UM, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED, UM, PLANS TO CONSTRUCT A 168 UNIT MARKET RATE, UH, APARTMENT, UH, COMMUNITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, ESSENTIALLY ADJACENT TO THE OTHER, UH, BOTH THE INSTITUTIONAL, UH, USE TO THE WEST AND THE APARTMENTS TO THE SOUTH.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE INITIAL SITE PLAN.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, WHEN WE HAD OUR FIRST REVIEW, THE, UH, THE FIRST COMMENT WAS TO LOSE THE, UM, ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF BRAND PIKE.
SO THE DEVELOPER HAS REVISED THEIR DRAWINGS, UM, SO THAT THAT ACCESS POINT ON BRAND PIKE IS, UH, IS NO LONGER GONNA BE THERE.
UM, SO IT IS 168 UNITS, 72 1 BEDROOM UNITS, 96 2 BEDROOM.
UM, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING 253 PARKING SPACES AT A 1.51 SPACE PER UNIT RATIO.
THERE'S ALSO AMENITIES, YOUR STANDARD CLUBHOUSE AND POOL AMENITIES FOR, UH, FOR RESIDENTS.
BASICALLY, THE ONE BEDROOMS ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, THE WINGS HAVE THE TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
THIS IS THE RENDERING OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
UH, THIS IS ALSO THE DEVELOPER WHO BUILT, UH, HAYDEN RUN.
UM, THIS IS THE RENDERINGS PROPOSED RENDERINGS OF THE THREE STORY WALKUP, UM, BUILDINGS.
THERE'S A MIXTURE OF, UH, UH, STONE VENEER, VINYL AND, UH, FIBER CLAD.
SO THE PROPOSED, UH, USE IS PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THE PLANNED MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 30% OPEN SPACE, UM, THAT WAS PROVI THAT IS PROVIDED.
THERE ARE 25 FOOT SETBACKS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE REQUESTED THEM TO MOVE THE EMERGENCY, UH, EXIT FROM BRANT PIKE.
UM, SO THAT WILL EITHER BE A ENLARGED BOULEVARD OFF OF RED BUCKEYE DRIVE, OR AN EMERGENCY EXIT OFF OF, UM, UH, CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
WE NEED TO GET FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY WHICH ONE THEY PREFER.
UH, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORKS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
UM, AS USUAL, WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED IS A SIGNAGE, LANDSCAPING, AND LIGHTING PLANS.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THERE ARE CLUSTERS OF PLANTINGS, UH, AS WELL AS STREET TREES LOCATED ALONG RED BUCK, RED BUCKEYE DRIVE SPACED AT 40 FEET AND 50 FEET ALONG CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
AS FAR AS PARKING, THE CODE REQUIRES TWO SPACES, A UNIT.
UH, THIS IS PROPOSED AT ONE AND A HALF SPACES.
UH, OVER 40% OF THE UNITS ARE ONE BEDROOM, UH, WHICH TYPICALLY LEADS TO ONE CAR.
UH, SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS 1.5 SPACE, UH, RATIO.
AND THIS IS TOUGH TO READ, BUT, UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THE CONDITIONS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE STREET TREES THAT I JUST MENTIONED.
UH, THAT THEY WILL SUBMIT A SIGN PACKAGE, A LIGHTING PACKAGE, A LANDSCAPING PACKAGE THAT, UM, THEY PROVIDE US WITH A EASEMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN CONSTRUCT A MULTI-USE PATH THAT CONNECTS CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, UH, TO THE EVENTUAL WIDENING THAT WE'RE DOING OF RAMP PIKE, ALONG WITH A MULTI, UM, USE PATH THAT'S GONNA HEAD SOUTH TO CONNECT THE EXISTING MULTI-USE PATH.
UM, WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING WHETHER THEY BUILD THAT OR WE BUILD THAT, BUT, UM, AT, AT THE VERY LEAST, I WANT AN EASEMENT FOR IT.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL PRO, UH, COMPLY WITH STORM WATER FIRE CODE AND AS I MENTIONED THAT THAT SECOND ENTRANCE BE SHIFTED TO, UH, EITHER KERRY TRAILS PARKWAY OR RED BUCKEYE DRIVE, DEPENDING REALLY KIND OF ON THE PREFERENCE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FROM A EMERGENCY ACCESS PERSPECTIVE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE OPTION TO APPROVE IT WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS, DENY IT OR TABLE THE APPLICATION.
UH, THE DEVELOPER'S REP IS HERE, ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
THAT SHOWS A REVISED, UH, SITE PLAN, UH, WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
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THEY HAVE, WELL, THEY ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THIS.THIS DOES SHOW THE, UH, THEY'VE ENLARGED THE BOULEVARD AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, EXISTING OR TREES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING ALONG RED BUCKEYE.
IT ALSO ILLUSTRATES THE, UH, 20 FOOT, WELL, WE HAVEN'T CITED ON THE SIZE, BUT THE EASEMENT FOR THE, UH, MULTIUSE PATHWAY.
UH, HE'S HERE IF YOU'D LIKE, IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HIM, WE'LL GET HIM IN A MOMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY, FOR ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? SORRY.
SO IF YOU GO UP TO THE NEXT PAGE, THE FIRST PAGE, I THINK IT WAS THE ONE BEFORE THIS OR SCREEN NOW.
THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE PARKWAY.
I THOUGHT WE HAD ONE THAT SHOWED THE OVERHEAD.
SO WHEN WE SEE THE BOUNDARY LINE, WHICH IS DRIVING SOME OF THE ANGLES OF THE LAYOUT INSIDE, THAT'S GONNA BE CHANGED WHEN WE PUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IN.
UM, SO WHY WOULD WE MOVE FORWARD DEVELOPING THIS IF WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE SHAPE OF THE AREA AT THE SAME TIME? WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED? UM, FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IMPROVEMENTS AND BRAND PIKE IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE GEOMETRY OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS.
THIS WILL BASICALLY STAY THE WAY THIS WILL BE KIND OF A, I WANNA CALL IT A HIGH SPEED EXIT, BUT A NO, A NO NO, STOP.
CONTINUOUS LANE THAT GOES SOUTH.
'CAUSE THE MEETING I WAS AT, THEY SAID NO TO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS.
IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP THE LANE WE HAVE.
AND THEY SAID THEY WERE TAKING IT OUT.
WE'RE KEEPING THE LANE WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA LOSE THE, UH, SOUTHBOUND HIGH, UH, HIGH SPEED ENTRANCE INTO CARRIAGE TRAILS.
THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE A TIGHTER RADIUS.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S, WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT HERE IN LEFT TURNS, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CONFLICT THERE.
THERE WON'T BE CONFLICT ON THE SOUTH ON THE SOUTHBOUND, UM, EXIT.
THE REASON THAT I WANT THE EASEMENT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE BIKE TRAIL OR MULTI-USE PATH DOWN HERE IS THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES, UH, IN THIS SPAGHETTI.
UH, SO I WANT FOLKS TO COME DOWN ACROSS AND, AND DOWN.
AND THEN IN OTHER HOUSING PROJECTS, WHEN WE'VE HAD STUFF LIKE THIS, WE'VE HAD THE DEVELOPER DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WHEN WE WANT TO HAVE THEM DO THAT LAYING ON 2 0 1, SO THE CITY'S NOT PAYING FOR IT.
WELL, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE CITY.
UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER REASON TO HOLD OFF
UH, WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING ON BUDGETING FOR IT.
WE HAVE, UH, DECK HAS PROVIDED DEEDS FOR US.
UM, THIS REALLY ISN'T A WIDENING THAT IS GONNA BENEFIT THIS DEVELOPMENT UNLESS WE WERE TO GIVE THEM ACCESS OFF OF GRANT PIKE.
THEY'RE GONNA ADD MARGINAL AMOUNTS OF TRAFFIC.
BUT NOT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY, IN MY MIND, THE FULL COST OF THAT LANE WIDENING.
SO I, I, I WOULD JUST SAY AS FAR AS THE EXIT ONTO CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, I'M GONNA, NO, THERE'S, I DROVE IT AGAIN TONIGHT.
THERE'S TOO MUCH MOVEMENT IN ANY POINT OF THAT FOR ME TO SAY THAT I'M GONNA PUT MY NAME ON THAT.
UM, MY PREFERENCE, LIKE I HAD SAID IN THE PRESENTATION, IS OFF RED BUCKEYE.
SO A WIDER, UH, BOULEVARD THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT SEPARATION IN THE, IN THE CASE OF AN ACCIDENT.
I JUST, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT BEING UP IN THE AIR.
'CAUSE JUST 'CAUSE IT'S COME BACK THE WRONG WAY BEFORE, AFTER WE'VE SAID YEAH.
SO THE ONLY STILL A LITTLE, A LITTLE UNEASY.
THE ONLY, UM, I THINK THE ONLY REASON IT WOULD CHANGE IS IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THEN I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO REVISIT THE DESIGN.
BUT OTHERWISE, I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXIT ON RED BUCKEYE DRIVE.
I THINK WE NEED EVERYBODY HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD, MS. THOMAS.
UH, THE PARKING, UM, THEY SAID THE STANDARD IS TWO AND, AND THE CITY'S AND STAFF IS OKAY WITH ONE AND A HALF.
WHY, WHAT'S, WHY THE DIFFERENCE? UM, SO THIS HAS A HIGHER MIX OF ONE BEDROOMS THAN THE OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE APPROVED.
MOST OF THE MULTIFAMILIES THAT HAVE WE'VE APPROVED RECENTLY HAVE BEEN ABOUT 1.7, 1.8.
UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN A MIXTURE OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOMS. THIS IS 40%, 43%, I BELIEVE ONE BEDROOMS. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT LESS PARKING DEMAND HERE THAN, THAN IF THERE
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WERE A MIX OF TWO AND THREE BEDROOM.I'M NOT SURE I, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE BEDROOM WHO HAS, COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY TWO CARS, YOU KNOW, THREE BEDROOM.
SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE EFFECT IF WE CAME BACK AND SAID WE WANTED THE TWO, THE STANDARD OF TWO, WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF THE, UH, PROJECT? THEY WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR UNIT COUNT SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, OR, UH, NEGOTIATE TO BUILD A SATELLITE PARKING LOT OVER HE OVER ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE, UH, A HUGE WASTE OF LAND FOR PARKING.
SO APARTMENTS TYPICALLY DON'T FUNCTION LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WHERE THEY'RE ON A TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, EIGHT TO FIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMING AND GOING.
IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME TRAFFIC EFFECTS AND PARKING EFFECTS.
SO YOU SAID SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION OF THE BUILDINGS.
LIKE WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER SUBSTANTIAL IF WE STUCK WITH THE TWO? SO IF WE STUCK WITH TWO, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE STUCK WITH TWO.
I, I'M JUST YEAH, I'M JUST ASKING.
UH, THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO LOSE, UM, I'D HAVE TO DO THE MATH ON THE BUILDING SIZE, BUT THEY'D HAVE TO LOSE 15%, UH, 10 TO 15% OF THE UNITS.
I MEAN, THEY'D LOSE A BUILDING EFFECTIVELY.
THAT'S KINDA OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT WITH NOW.
JUST TO, MR. JEFFS, I GUESS THE ONE LAST QUESTION I KNOW, IS IT ZONE PM SO PLAN, MIXED USE, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD FOR YEARS THAT THE FRONTAGE THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL FRIENDLY COMMERCIAL.
WAS THE GOAL FROM PAST COUNCIL, PAST CITY MANAGER, PAST A LOT OF PEOPLE PERSONALLY, LIKE FACE TO FACE? HAS THAT DIRECTIVE CHANGED FROM COUNSEL? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING THEN? SO IN MY TENURE HERE, WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE BEING COMMERCIAL AT ALL.
WE'VE TALKED LOOSELY ABOUT A FIRE STATION RIGHT.
UM, BUT THIS HAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO ME TO BE NATURALLY RESIDENTIAL, GIVEN THAT ACCESS OFF OF GRANT PIKE FOR COMMERCIAL WOULD BE A HUGE PAIN.
AND, AND LOOKING, I MEAN THE, THE FIRE STATION PART OF, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ANNEXATION DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, FI THE NEW FIRE STATION'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IS SOMETHING WE WE'RE EVENTUALLY GOING TO NEED.
I VIEWED THIS AS A NATURAL LOCATION FOR THAT WITH EASY ACCESS OUT IN AND OUT OF 2 0 1.
SO I'M, I'M SURPRISED THE CITY WOULD WANNA SELL OFF LAND TO END UP BUYING LAND LATER FOR A FIRE STATION THAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BUILD.
SO THAT WAS JUST, JUST A COMMENT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE GUYS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
WE CAN FIT, WE CAN EASILY FIT A TWO BAY IN THE MIDDLE OF HERE.
I THINK A THREE BAY WOULD BE, UM, A CHALLENGE WITHOUT RECONFIGURING SOME OF THE STREETS.
UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE PENCILED IT OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.
SAY IT NOT CRAZY, HUH? SORRY, I SAID SAY IT.
NO, JUST SOMETHING NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MS. THOMAS? MM.
WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HERE.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR HOMESTEAD.
UH, THE LAST NAME IS SPELLED B-E-D-Z-Y-K.
UH, MOSTLY, I MEAN, MR. RELL DID A GREAT JOB OF, UH, PRESENTING THE PROJECT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO OFFER MYSELF, UH, WITH ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
AND ACTUALLY, MR. RELL, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UH, SECONDARY BECAUSE I, I DID WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WERE BROUGHT UP TO, OR WAS IT DONE THROUGH THIS? OH, I DIDN'T WANNA SCREW UP YOUR SYSTEM.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, SECONDARY ACCESS WE DID, WE WERE ABLE TO GET STAFF COMMENTS BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY.
SO WE PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE SENT BACK AND, UM, PERFECT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, LOWER LEFT HAND PORTION, UM, IT SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET EMERGENCY EGRESS.
UH, SO OUR HOPE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENT ON FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL IS WE WOULD HAVE A SECONDARY JUST EMERGENCY EGRESS ONLY, UH, DOWN ALONG, UH, RED BUCKEYE THERE.
UM, AT OUR OTHER PROJECT, MR. RELL MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE AT HAYDEN PARK, WHICH IS ON ROY PIKE, UH, THAT ONE HAD TRADITIONAL PAVERS SET DOWN.
BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR MORE GREEN SPACE AND MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST AESTHETICS, YOU CAN DO A PER PERMEABLE PAVER THAT, YOU KNOW, GRASS CAN GROW THROUGH.
WE COULD PUT KNOCK DOWN BALLARDS WHERE THAT IS SOLELY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES OR EMERGENCY EGRESS IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AT THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE, BECAUSE WE DID READ, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY WAS PRETTY ADAMANT THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THE EXISTING CURB CUT, UH,
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ONTO BRAND PARK TO BE USED.UM, YOU KNOW, MR. JEFFRIES, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I LOOKED AT THE CARRIAGE TRAILS PART WHILE IF YOU GUYS WANT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT THERE, BUT I FELT LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE CONGESTIVE AND I, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT OF THE PUD IS TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ELIMINATE ANY TRAFFIC CHOKE POINTS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, UH, GOING DOWN TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.
AND THEN I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE TOUCHED ON PARKING, YOU KNOW, AS WE DID THAT HAYDEN PARK, YOU KNOW, HAS ACTUALLY DONE TREMENDOUSLY WELL AND WE ARE FULLY STABILIZED THAT PROJECT AND THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY PARKED AT A 1.47 AND THUS FAR, YOU KNOW, AS MR. TERRELL MENTIONED, UM, A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, TWO BEDROOMS THE CURRENT DAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT AS A SECOND, YOU KNOW, AS AN OFFICE, UH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TWO PEOPLE THERE.
SO WE HAVE YET TO HAVE ANY PUSHBACK ON OUR PARKING SITUATION AT HAYDEN PARK, WHICH IS A HUNDRED AND, UH, 92 UNITS PARKED AT A 1.47.
UH, WE ORIGINALLY CAME IN AT A HIGHER UNIT COUNT AND TO PUSH UP THE PARKING, UH, RATIOS, WE WENT DOWN TO 168 TO HELP TO TRY TO COMPLY.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, UH, IF, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS HAD ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. JEFFRIES? SO ON THE EMERGENCY EGRESS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE? YES SIR.
ALRIGHT, SO HOW WOULD THAT WOULD, THAT'S GONNA ONE, IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY THE GREEN, THE FUNCTIONAL GREEN SPACE RIGHT IN THAT AREA? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING.
SO GRASS CAN GO THROUGH IT, BUT IT IS GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE.
WE'VE DONE IT ON OTHER PROJECTS, WHEREAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE WEIGHT OF A FIRE TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THERE.
BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU PUT THE CRASH GATE AT THE END THOUGH.
AND WE PUT KNOCK DOWN BALLARDS IN THERE AS WELL.
OR A CRASH GATE, WHATEVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS.
BUT KNOCK DOWN BALLARDS LOOK NICER.
I THINK I, I JUST DON'T, IT, IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL.
I JUST, I DON'T LIKE SEEING WHERE WE HAVE TO KEEP TRYING TO FIND A WAY FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET IN IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT BY SQUEEZING IN AN ACCESS LANE WITH STUFF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A, IT'S NOT JUST YOU, IT'S ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS.
IT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF IT BEING JUST DESIGNED WITH THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
SO I, I STRUGGLE WITH IT BECAUSE OF THAT.
IT'S, IT CAN BE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT BE PAVED? I, I, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A SECOND ENTRANCE THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE SQUEEZED IT IN WITH THE EMERGENCY PIECE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE MAIN POINT IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
I, I, SO IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD, BUT IT JUST TO ME SEEMS LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU GO THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT OVER THE WATERSTONE HAS TWO ROAD LANE ENTRANCE POINTS DESIGNED INTO THE DESIGN.
YOU KNOW, I, IT, THAT'S WHERE I JUST KIND OF STRUGGLE WHEN WE KEEP SEEING IT OVER AND OVER.
SO, UH, AND WE HAPPY TO WORK, UH, WITH IT.
I MEAN, AS WE READ THROUGH THE PUD TEXT, IT SEEMED TO BE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LEANING MORE TOWARDS EMERGENCY VEHICLES IS WHAT RE REQUIRED THE, UH, SECOND ENTRANCE.
WE TRY TO RESPOND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS BEER TO THAT TEXT.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE SAID A LOT WITH WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
SO I DON'T LIKE A GATE OR A BALLER OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT STOPS THE TRUCK.
I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I'D UNDERSTAND WHY THEY GO IN.
I JUST WISH WE COULD JUST DESIGN WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS MIKE UP? SO ESPECIALLY THERE, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S PRIME FOR ON EDGE, PRIME REAL ESTATE.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO SQUEEZE IT IN.
SO, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO, CYNTHIA SCHWARTZ.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA SIGN IN REAL QUICK.
SO SOME OF MY NOTES, UM, HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT I WROTE IT JUST TO READ IT ALL AT ONCE.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING GOES ABOUT, UH, WITH HOW THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT WAS GOING TO BE PROPOSED ON THE PARKWAY.
UM, 'CAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING THAT THERE'S NO WAY IT'S, IT IS, IT DOESN'T SHOW ON THIS ONE, BUT ON ANOTHER SLIDE YOU COULD SEE TO WHERE YOU HAVE ONE SIDE IS AN ENTRANCE, ONE SIDE IS AN EXIT FOR THE PARKWAY.
SO HOW WOULD THE PEOPLE AT THE ENTRANCE COME TO GET OVER TO GO INTO THAT? EXCEPT FOR TO GO IN THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE TO THEN COME BACK OUT AND GO IN THROUGH THE PARKWAY OR THEY COULD JUST GO HALFWAY THROUGH THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND THEN THEY WOULD TAKE RED BUCKEYE.
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I'M ALSO AFRAID OF, UH, WHAT MR. JEFFRIES WAS MENTIONING ABOUT THE UPGRADES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING AT THAT INTERSECTION, UM, WITH THE CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.AND I HEARD AARON MENTION THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE BOUNDARY YET TO GET THAT BOUNDARY.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ANNEXATION AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PAPERWORK DRAWN UP FOR THE ANNEXATION TO GET THE BOUNDARY.
NOR HAVE I SEEN, UM, THAT WE HAVE COMPILED EVERYTHING THAT ODOT WAS REQUESTING OF US IF WE WEREN'T GONNA DO THE BOUNDARY.
AND WE WERE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH ODOT.
WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ODOT ALL OF THEIR INFORMATION THEY ASKED FOR.
SO I KIND OF SEE THIS INTERSECTION STILL AS IT'S COMPLETELY UP IN THE AIR.
DO YOU WANT ME TO RESPOND? SURE.
SO, UM, WE'RE TAKING TWO PATHS AND THE PATHS WILL CONVERGE.
UM, SO WE'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING ODOT HAS REQUESTED, UM, THEY ARE DOING THEIR REVIEW.
UM, WE HAVE THE DEEDS THAT ARE DRAFTED FROM DECK TO GET MOST OF THE, TO GET THAT LAND.
UM, AND OUR OTHER ATTORNEY IS WORKING ON THE REMAINING HEIR OF THE SEILER PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD GIVE US THE, THE REST OF WHAT WE NEED.
AND THEN IT'S ESSENTIALLY A 45 DAY ANNEXATION PROCESS TO MOVE THE BOUNDARY TO THE WEST SIDE.
EXCUSE ME, THE EAST SIDE OF GRANT PIKE.
ONCE THAT OCCURS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ODOT WANTS, UM, IT WILL BE IN THE CITY, UH, AND WE CAN DO THE IMPROVEMENTS AS WE SEE FIT.
'CAUSE I WAS AWARE THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE BOUNDARY LINE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
LIKE WE HAVE THE BOUNDARY THEN.
SO WE CAN DO THE UPGRADES, WE HANDLE IT ALL.
I ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE ERS AND DECK? YEAH.
SO THE OTHER ISSUE IS WITH THE, UH, PARKING, UH, THE PARKING'S GOING TO BE A SERIOUS ISSUE LIKE IT IS WITH MANY OTHER PLACES IN HUBER.
UH, SUCH AS IF YOU LOOK AT PARKVIEW APARTMENTS, UH, THAT IS ACTUALLY, UM, TWO CARS PER UNIT.
AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ROOM TO PARK.
UM, IF, IF THEY CAN FIND A SPOT LIKE THEY'RE COMING BACK FROM THE GROCERY STORE, IT IS WAY OFF FROM WHERE ACTUALLY THEY LIVE AND THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE THE TRIPS TO COME TO AND FROM.
UM, THIS TO GIVE THEM 1.5 ISN'T LEAVING ANY ADDITIONAL SPOTS FOR VISITORS OR ANYTHING.
ONE BEDROOMS ARE NOT 100% TYPICALLY FILLED BY ONE PERSON.
THEY HAVE COUPLES LIVING THERE WITH TWO VEHICLES.
THE TWO BEDROOMS COULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
AND WE ARE AN ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO STICK TO THE REGULAR GUIDELINES OF TWO PARKING SPOTS PER BEDROOM.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN MIAMI COUNTY AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT STILL THERE IS NO SIDEWALK YET.
UH, AND ALSO THE RTA DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION IN MIAMI COUNTY.
SO THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
UM, THE SPOT FOR THE MULTI-USE PATH.
I STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED HOW THAT'S GOING TO ALIGN WITH THE VIEW THAT THE CITY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT METRO PARKS INTO THE REST OF THE CITY AND THEN TO GO DOWN TO THE OTHER METRO PARKS.
UM, I I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SIDEWALK GOING DOWN AROUND OUR ENTRANCE EXIT ONTO CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY.
AND I DON'T SEE WHY THIS CAN'T BE DONE TO LOOK LIKE THE REST OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS BETWEEN A CURB AND GRASS.
UM, THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT JEOPARDIZE SAFETY IN ANY WAY, WHICH I BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY.
THERE IS ALREADY SAFETY ISSUES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REMEDIED AND IS STILL IN THE, UH, TALKING PHASES ADDING AT LEAST IF WE JUST COUNT THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT WILL HAVE PARKING SPOTS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
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ADD TO THE SAFETY ISSUES ADDRESSED AND KNOWN SHOULD A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN PLAN BE APPROVED WHEN WE KNOW OF A PROBLEM, BUT WE DON'T FULLY KNOW THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS SOLUTION TO MY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.AND THEN I GO ON TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE BOUNDARY AND ODOT AND EVERYTHING, WHICH I JUST TALKED TO AARON ABOUT.
LASTLY, THE CITY IS STILL DOING RESEARCH ON THE IMPACTS OF GROWTH TO THIS AREA AND TO THE SCHOOLS.
THE SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL GROWTH RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF BUS DRIVERS.
IT IS A RURAL AREA AND IT DOESN'T HAVE RTA LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND IT CANNOT ALLOW THE KIDS JUST TO WALK TO SCHOOL.
THE CITY MANAGER IS INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS LOOKING INTO THE EFFECTS OF SERVICING ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THIS AREA, UH, SUCH AS WITH A ES VETERAN WATER AND REPUBLIC TRASH TO NAME A FEW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS BACK ON YET.
WITH SO MANY UNKNOWNS, OBVIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS AND THE NEED FOR ANSWERS, I URGE YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PORTION OF, UH, THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. JEFFRIES? YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD PREFER TO GET THE ACTUAL RENDERINGS BACK WITH FIRE'S COMMENTS JUST BECAUSE I'VE, I, I'VE BEEN BEEN TOLD BEFORE.
AND THEN WE COME BACK TO THE DETAILED PLAN AND IT'S, WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE BASIC PLAN.
SO, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE TO MR. BEVS IF THIS IS THE ONE BAD APPLE RULE, BUT IT HAPPENED IN THIS ROOM WITH SOMEONE ELSE SAYING, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH THIS.
AND THEN WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AT A LATER DATE, IT'S, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO IT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO LEARN FROM MY LESSON.
SO I, I ABLE AND GET THE ANSWERS.
SO MY ONLY RE SO IF THIS WERE NORMAL, A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
SO THEY'RE ON A, THEY'RE ON A COMPRESSED TIMELINE TO GET THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL THROUGH, UM, CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'VE PUT THEM ON AN AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE.
SO, UH, ON THE, THE TERMS OF OUR PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE, UM, ZONING APPROVAL FOR BASIC DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL BY THE END OF AUGUST.
UM, IF WE TABLE THIS, THEY, THEY WON'T MAKE THAT TIMELINE.
UH, AND THAT WILL COST THEM ADDITIONAL EARNEST MONEY THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO TO PAY.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT, UM, THE CONDITION B THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVES THIS BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.
UM, MY WELL, MY CONCERN THERE, SORRY, NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU.
JUST YEAH, I, I MEAN I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THESE DEPARTMENTS BEFORE AND THE APPROVALS ARE BASED ON WHAT IS ALLOWED AND ISN'T ALLOWED BY CODE, WHICH I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S, THERE'S MINIMUMS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
ONCE IT HITS THE MINIMUM, THEN WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE SIGNING OFF INSTEAD OF US SAYING IT MET WHAT WE EXPECTED.
AND THE EARNEST MONEY WOULD BE FROM THE CITY, WOULDN'T IT? NO, IT'S THEIRS THAT'S COMING TO THE NO, THAT'S COMING TO US.
SO I MEAN, IF IT'S US DELAYING IT, WE WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE YOU EARNEST MONEY FOR MISSING A DEADLINE THAT WE CREATED.
I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE THEIR ARGUMENT.
I MEAN, AND I WOULD, I WOULD SIDE WITH THEM
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE MISSING A PIECE IN THIS CASE.
SO, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO DRAG IT OUT AND DELAY IT TO WHERE IT'S JUST KICKED DOWN THE ROAD AND CAUSING, YOU KNOW, TIMELINE ISSUES.
BUT I I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A TIMELINE ISSUE.
SO, SO WHAT WOULD BE THE OPTION THAT WOULD LET US GET TO AN AGREEMENT WITHOUT IT BEING DELAYED WITH ALSO PROTECTION? THAT IT'S GOTTA BE WHAT I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE AT FOR, I MEAN, SO, SO IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DESIRE IS THAT THE, THE MAIN EMERGENCY EXIT BE A WIDER BOULEVARD ENTRANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE CONDITION AND THE, AND IF FIRE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT, THEN THE BACKUP PLAN IS THAT SECOND THAT PA UH, GRASS PAVER
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EMERGENCY.AND WHAT IF FIRE SAYS THEY PREFER ALL OF THE ABOVE? WHAT I MEAN, NOT JUST WHAT FIRE SAYS THEY'RE OKAY WITH.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT FIRE, IF THEY'RE INDIFFERENT, PREFER IF THEY'RE INDIFFERENT, THEN WE WOULD GO WITH THE, UH, ENLARGED BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT'S THE MORE ATTRACTIVE APPROACH.
UM, IT'S STILL NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GET IT TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE IT BACK WHEN THE FULL COMMISSION'S HERE WITHOUT DISRUPTING SOMETHING, TABLING IT AND HAVING THEM RESUBMIT IS WE'RE ON THE SAME TIME SCHEDULE.
WE'RE ON THE SAME IF WE TABLE IT OR WE DON'T, IF YOU TABLE IT OR YOU HAVE THEM RESUBMIT, WE'RE STILL AT THE AUGUST MEETING REGARDLESS.
SO IF WE TABLE IT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ON TIME? NO.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WAS CONFUSED I THOUGHT.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE THEM RESUBMIT AND COME BACK HERE, THAT IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME THING AS TABLING.
BUT THAT MESSES UP THE TIMELINE.
THE CITY SET IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CORRECT? YES.
AND THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL NEXT.
ANYWAY, NOT ONLY DOES THIS NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL, BUT ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND FINALIZING OF THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S MANY STEPS LEFT.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE DUE DILIGENCE PHASES.
THEY'RE OUT DOING GEOTECH AND SOME OTHER ANALYSIS AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE DUE DILIGENCE, UH, PIECES THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND THIS ENTRANCE STUFF WOULD BE WORKED UP.
WORKED OUT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL.
MS. THOMAS, DOES THAT NEED TO BE DOCUMENTED FOR OUR RECORDS? THAT WOULD NEED, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE DECISION RECORD.
SO IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO THEN, IS CHANGE THE DECISION RECORD TO DOCUMENT THAT? YES.
DID YOU, UH, TELL US THAT ONE MORE TIME ON THE WAY IT WOULD BE WRITTEN.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DECISION, THE DECISION RECORD.
HOW WOULD BE SO YOU, THE DECISION? I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD ADD A NINTH CONDITION THAT THE PREFERRED EMERGENCY EGRESS OR INGRESS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE, UH, INGRESS WOULD BE A, UH, A WIDER MAIN ENTRANCE BOULEVARD, IF THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
I JUST WANT FIRE TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT.
AND I JUST WISH WE WOULD HAVE THESE DEVELOPED WITH THE TWO EXITS THAT FIRE CALLS FOR OR DESIGNED AS SUCH.
SO THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN REGARDLESS.
THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT, DOES THIS PLANNING COMMISSION WANT THE, THE TWO REQUIRED ENTRANCES TO BE A WIDER BOULEVARD INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE BOULEVARD THAT IS SHOWN HERE AND THAT SECONDARY EMERGENCY ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTH FIRE WILL BE SATISFIED.
AND WHAT THEY WANT WILL TRUMP ZONING REGARDLESS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA GET THEIR SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
WELL, I WOULD PREFER THE WIDER ENTRANCE, THE BOULEVARD, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO GATE TO GO THROUGH.
SO I THINK THAT CONDITION NINE IS THAT THE PREFERRED SECONDARY INGRESS IS A WIDER BOULEVARD.
AND IF FIRE SAYS THEY CAN'T PULL IT OFF, WE'LL DO THE, UH, WE'LL DO THE SOUTH.
IS THERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT STATE ROUTE 2 0 1 IN CARRIAGE TRAILS PARKWAY, CASE BDP 24 DASH 13 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 2ND, 2024 IN THE, UH, IN THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISIONS RECORD ATTACHED MOVED BY, UH, MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES? SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, SO WHAT'S NEXT IS, UM, THE CHIEF AND I AND, UH, THE PLANS EXAMINER WILL GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST APPROACH AND THEY, WE WILL REVISE THE PLANS ACCORDINGLY.
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THANK YOU.NEXT ITEM IN OUR NEW BUSINESS IS A MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT, BUCKY'S HUBER HEIGHTS, LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 125 FOOT TALL HIGHWAY ORIENTED PYLON SIGN.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8,000 STATE ROUTE 2 35 MC 24 DASH OH NINE.
SO THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SIGN IS MINOR, BUT THE CODE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, THE CODE DEFINES AS A MINOR, A MINOR CHANGE.
SO JUST, UH, REFRESHING EVERYBODY.
UH, THE SITE IS, UH, JUST UNDER 40 ACRES.
THE EXISTING LAND USE IS, IS VACANT LAND, UH, IS CURRENTLY AGRICULTURAL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 125 FOOT TALL PYLON SIGN WITH, UH, LOGO MEDALLION AND, UM, HUBER HEIGHTS COPY UNDER UNDERNEATH.
UH, IN 2003, THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IN OCTOBER OF 24, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AND THEN THIS BODY APPROVED THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT WAS EVERYTHING SANDS, THE PYLON SIGN, UH, AND THE PYLON SIGN WAS, WAS DELAYED BECAUSE BUCKY'S, UH, HAD NOT DONE, UH, A BALLOON HEIGHT TEST TO SEE WHAT THE NECESSARY HEIGHT OF THE SIGN WAS GOING TO BE.
SO, UM, THEY REQUESTED THAT WE PULL THE PYLON SIGN AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT IT OVERLAYS THE, UH, THE AREA, THE EXISTING POND WILL BE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO, UH, TO ADJUST TO ADDRESS, UH, DRAINAGE REQUIRE ISSUES.
SO THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, INDICATED THAT THE PYLON SIGN WAS GOING TO BE SOUTH OF THE POND HERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE NORTH OF THE POND, UM, OUTLINED, UH, HERE, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT ON THE VERY SOUTH EDGE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE BALLOON TESTS TOOK PLACE.
UH, SO THE, THE BALLOON TEST WAS, WAS IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
UM, THE PLANS WERE, WERE JUST INCORRECT.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, YOU SEE THE, UH, THE PYLONS SIGN WITH THE MEDALLION, THE HUBER HEIGHTS COPY, UH, BELOW.
SO THERE WAS A BALLOON TEST THAT WAS PERFORMED ON JUNE 4TH.
UM, THE WEATHER BALLOON WAS USED.
UM, THAT WAS IT, THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, SO IT WAS VISIBLE TO WESTBOUND TRAFFIC.
THE SIGN THE WEATHER BALLOON WAS VISIBLE TO WESTBOUND TRAFFIC AT A HEIGHT OF 125 FEET.
IT WAS NOT VISIBLE TO EASTBOUND TRAFFIC, UH, UNTIL 165 FEET.
THE GOAL, UH, FOR THIS SIGN IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE'S THE BUCKYS THERE BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GET TO THE EXIT, TAKING 'EM ONTO 2 35 NORTH.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE WHOLE POINT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE BALLOON ON TEST LOCATION JUST NORTH OF THE, UM, NORTH OF THE, THE POND.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BALLOON WAS VISIBLE, UM, BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE, THE, FOR THE FOUR RUNS THAT, UH, HE, OR THE TWO RUNS THAT HE MADE.
THIS WAS, UH, HEADING EAST THAT THE, THE RED BALLOON, WHICH IS TOUGH TO SEE HERE, WAS VISIBLE AT 1 65, UH, HEADING WESTBOUND.
IT IS VISIBLE HERE AT 1 25 ALSO HERE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIGN IS SET PRETTY FAR BACK FROM, FROM I 70.
UM, THIS IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE THE SIGN WOULD, WOULD POP UP TO BE.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMING WITH CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING, UH, REGULATIONS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY, UM, MOST OF THE HIGHWAY ORIENTED SIGNS ALONG I 70, AROUND 80 TO A HUNDRED FEET TALL.
LARGELY THAT'S THE MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT'S NECESSARY TO GET OVER THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG I 70, UH, MOST RECENTLY.
BZA GRANTED A VARIANCE TO CASEY'S FROM AN 85 FOOT TALL SIGN, UM, TO GET OVER THE TREES THAT WERE AT CARRIAGE, UH, TRAIL OR CARRIAGE, UH, HILLS, UH, METRO PARK.
THAT SIGN IS REALLY SMACKED DAB UP TO THE, TO THE HIGHWAY, UH, AND RIGHT AT THE TREES.
UM, SO IT, IT, THEY ONLY NEEDED 85
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FEET TO, TO BE ABLE FOR THAT VISIBILITY.UM, LIKE I SAID, UM, BUCKY'S IS REQUESTING 125 FEET BASED ON THAT BALLOON TEST.
UM, SINCE THIS IS IN A PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS GREAT LATITUDE, UM, REALLY IN ALL THE LATITUDE IN APPROVING SIGNAGE.
THIS IS A TOUGH SITE TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE ON HEIGHT.
UM, SO THIS WAS ME TAKING A BAD PICTURE DRIVING NORTH ON 2 35.
SO JUST COMING OFF OF THE BRIDGE OVER I 70.
SO THESE LIGHT POLES ARE A HUNDRED FEET TALL AT LEAST ODOT TOLD ME THAT THE LIGHT POLES AT THE HIGHWAY ARE A HUNDRED FEET TALL.
THE SIGN WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET BEHIND THIS LIGHT POLE.
UM, SO IF YOU FIGURED THE LIGHT POLE IS HERE AND THEN THE MEDALLION WOULD STAND ON TOP OF THAT, IN ACTUALITY YOU PROBABLY SEE THE SIGN ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
UM, JUST VISUALLY, UH, IT WILL APPEAR LOWER, UM, BASED ON, BASED ON ONE MY ANGLE AND TWO, UM, WHERE, UH, WHERE IT'S LOCATED ON THE SITE.
SO THIS, I WAS HERE, THIS IS THE LIGHT POLE THAT I WAS TAKING A PICTURE OF.
UH, THE SIGN IS WAY BACK HERE.
IT'S, IT'S 1300 FEET, UH, OFF THE HIGHWAY, UH, AND THEN ABOUT 600 FEET BACK FROM, UH, 2 35.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE OF KINDA WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT WILL, I THINK, APPEAR LOWER.
AS YOU SAW FROM THE BALLOON TEST.
IT'S GONNA APPEAR LOWER THAN, THAN IT, IT IS.
UH, IT'S ALSO THIS SITE, THIS SIGN IS ABOUT 20 FEET.
THIS SITE HERE, THE, THE, THE BASE IS ABOUT 20 FEET LOWER THAN, UM, THE LIGHT POLE BASE.
SO AGAIN, IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK FROM THAT PICTURE.
SO, STATS PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THE, THE BALLOON TEST SHOWED THAT, UM, LIKE I SAID, WELL IGNORE THAT FIRST ONE.
UM, SO STAFF DOES SHOW, UH, BELIEVE THAT THE RESULTS OF THE BALLOON TEST AND FIELD FIELD OPERATE, UH, OBSERVATIONS.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE 125 FOOT TALL SIGN, IT'S PROBABLY THE LIKELY MINIMUM NECESSARY TO BE VISIBLE TO MOTORISTS ON 70.
UM, THIS SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE WRIGHT PATTERSON ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO I DID SEND THE PROPOSAL TO WRIGHT PAT STAFF.
UH, THEY REVIEWED IT AND INFORMED ME THAT IT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH, UH, ANY FLIGHT OPERATIONS OR FUTURE, UH, OPERATIONS.
UM, BECAUSE SINCE THIS IS THE LARGEST SIGN, UH, I WANTED TO BE SURE AND WE'RE CLOSE TO THE FLIGHT PATH, I WANTED TO BE SURE THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.
UM, SO BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR MY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BASED ON THE BALLOON TEST RESULTS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS, UH, WE BELIEVE 125 FOOT TALL SIGN IS LIKELY THE MINIMUM HEIGHT NECESSARY TO BE VISIBLE FROM, UH, TO MOTOR I 70.
SO WE RECOMMEND, UM, THAT, UH, THE, THE PYLON SIGN, THE, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PYLON SIGN AS ILLUSTRATED IN THE PLANS.
HOWEVER, ONE CONDITION IS THAT, THAT I WANT THE APPLICANT TO REVISE THE DRAWINGS TO SHOW WHERE THE ACTUAL PLACEMENT OF THE PYLON SIGN IS GONNA BE, UH, AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PARKING LOT RATHER THAN THE SOUTH END OF THE UM, UH, POND.
SO THAT WE HAVE AN ACCURATE RECORD OF OF THAT.
UM, THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM BUCKY'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE SIGN AS WELL AS, UH, HE ALSO WAS THE ONE WHO DID THE BALLOON TEST AND CAN, CAN TALK ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? AARON, CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE WITH THE BALLOON TEST? THE, THE, THAT ACTUALLY THE ONE YOU JUST HAD THAT SHOWED THE POND WOULD BE GOOD.
SO TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, YEAH.
WHICH IS NOT ON HERE, BUT, WELL, I GUESS IT'S ON THE OTHER ONE.
YEAH, SO IT, THIS PICTURE'S CUT OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT ON THE RIGHT EDGE THAT'S CUT OFF IS WHERE HOUSES ARE AND BACKYARDS.
SO DO WE KNOW HOW THE VISIBILITY IS AT THAT HEIGHT FROM THAT AREA? I KNOW THERE'S DISTANCE AND TWO TREE LINES ON EACH SIDE OF THE, THE FIELD THERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE BALLOON.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH IT IS THOUGH, AND WELL, SO, AND I KNOW IT'S ON PAPER, SO IT MIGHT BE WAY FARTHER AWAY THAN IT ACTUALLY LOOKS.
UM, BUT YEAH, UM, I DID NOT SCALE THAT OUT.
IT'S GONNA BE, SO IF THIS IS 1200 FEET, THOSE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE A MILE.
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OKAY.PROBABLY, PROBABLY CLOSER TO A MILE AND A HALF JUST ON, BASED ON THIS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY HOUSING IN THE VIEWING VICINITY, RIGHT? UM, SO THERE IS ONE HOUSE HERE.
UH, THIS WAS THE OWNER OF THE LAND WHO SOLD ORIGINALLY TO UM, TO CAR OIL.
UM, THIS IS ALL FOR SALE, BUT UM, THAT'S THE ONLY RESIDENCE THAT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF HOMES AS YOU'VE TRAVELED NORTH ON 2 35.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S THE MOBILE HOME PARK ON THE, THIS SIDE OF 70.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL EVER SEE IT 'CAUSE THEY'RE BELOW 70 AND IT'S PRETTY LOW.
YEAH, WELL I'M MAINLY WORRIED ABOUT THE DIRECTLY EAST AND DIRECTLY WEST.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FACE OF THE SIGN IS GONNA BE, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED FROM EAST OR WEST POSSIBLY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE A MILE AND A HALF, UH, TO THE EAST.
THERE, THERE ARE NO HOMES HEADED WEST UNTIL YOU GET TO RIGHT.
BECAUSE NORTH, NORTH, THAT'S GONNA BE IRRELEVANT ON THE SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH, SO, AND I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT OVER, YOU KNOW, THIS GROVE OF TREES.
ALL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY WETLANDS.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE, THE EASTBOUND, UH, VISIBILITY IS THIS STAND OF TREES HERE, UM, THAT, THAT'S BLOCKING THIS.
AND THAT'S A WETLAND AND IT'S UNLIKELY TO BE TRIMMED OR CLEARED, WHICH, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PLENTY OF SIGNAGE ON THE HIGHWAY AND EVERYTHING AS WELL.
SO THEY'LL, IT'LL BE NOTICEABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANY WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? EVENING? I'M STAN BEARD, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR BUCKY'S AND BALLOON.
UM, I'M, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU SPELL HIS LAST NAME PLEASE? COULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? B-E-A-R-D.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. JEFFRIES? MA'AM? NO, NO.
MY, MY CONCERN WAS THE VISIBILITY TO THE HOUSES.
I MEAN, I PERSONALLY THINK 125 FEET SEEMS EXCESSIVE, BUT MM-HMM.
UH, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THIS SIGN INDICATING WHERE TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA DO WELL.
MS. THOMAS, ANY QUESTIONS? NO PROBLEM.
DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, UH, WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? GOOD EVENING.
UH, THIS IS MY SON, MATTHEW HELTON.
UH, WE ALL KNOW YOU VERY WELL.
I THINK YOU KNOW US VERY WELL.
UH, WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THE BEGINNING THAT BUCKY'S CAME IN.
I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE WHO WANNA SPEAK TONIGHT.
I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, HISTORY.
WE HAVE BEEN COMING, UM, TO SPEAK ABOUT BUCKY'S BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE ACTUALLY SINCE BEFORE THEY EVEN SHOWED UP, SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES HEIGHT, ADJUSTABLE ADULT SIZE, CHANGING TABLES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOLKS WHO ARE LARGER THAN 50 POUNDS WHO CANNOT USE A TOILET FOR A RESTROOM SO THAT THEY CAN GO OUT INTO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE SHARED RESOURCES, WE'VE SHARED DEFINITIONS.
WE'VE SHARED WHY THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN, HOW IT CAN HAPPEN, UM, AGAIN, SINCE DAY ONE.
AND, UM, WE ARE RECENTLY HEARING THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
AND AS I SAID IN THE LAST MEETING, I'M STILL HOLDING HOPE AND I'M NOT GONNA STOP.
UM, AN EXAMPLE, THE REASON I CAME TO THIS IS BECAUSE, UM, WHEN THERE'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
WHEN THE HUBER HEIGHTS LIBRARY SAID THEY WERE GONNA CONSTRUCT IN HUBER HEIGHTS, I WENT TO THEM.
I TALKED TO JANE CLOSE, SHE CALLED HER ARCHITECT, UM, AT SUITS IN 10 MINUTES.
HE HAD A NEW DRAWING AND THEY PUT THE TABLE IN.
UM, WITH BUCKY'S BUCKY'S, WHO IS A MUCH LARGER ORGANIZATION, WHO HAS MUCH MORE RESOURCES THAN THAN THE LIBRARY EVER HAD.
I'VE HAD NOTHING BUT SUPPORT FROM THE, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
EVEN, UM, IN MAY, UH, WHEN I WAS HERE AND YOU WERE, UM, YOU WERE OKAYING THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT COULD WE MAKE IT CONDITIONAL UPON A UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE? AND IT WAS NOT WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DO THAT.
I LOOK AT THIS AS A SITUATION THEY WANNA SIGN.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TIME FOR NEGOTIATION.
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I DO NOT THINK THIS IS OVER.THERE ARE RESOURCES TO BE HAD.
I UNDERSTAND OPERATIONS HAS QUESTIONS.
THERE'S CONCERN OF SECURITY TAKING CARE OF THE TABLE.
MY CO-LEAD, UM, KEN KIRKWOOD, WHO IS HERE TONIGHT FROM CHANGING SPACES.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 10 YEARS.
WE'VE WORKED WITH 20 TO 30 AT LEAST PROJECTS.
WE'VE NEVER BEEN CALLED UPON TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THERE ARE CHALLENGES WE CAN WORK WITH, WITH FOLKS IN ORDER TO WORK THROUGH THOSE CHALLENGES.
AND THAT OFFER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE, AND IT STANDS AND WE CONTINUE TO WANNA DO THIS.
ANOTHER THING THAT I NEED BUCKY'S TO KNOW IS THAT THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY.
WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING, THAT'S, THAT'S A REASON TO NOT HAVE SOMETHING IMPLEMENTED.
WE HAVE 27 CHAPTERS ACROSS THE STATE, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I KNOW THAT WISCONSIN, UM, IS GOING TO HAVE A BUCKY'S, UM, BUILT.
UM, SARAH KNOWLES AND HER SON MATTHEW ARE OUR ADVOCATES IN WISCONSIN.
THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, EXPRESSED THEIR OPINION.
THEY'RE WAITING, WHAT'S GOING ON IN OHIO WILL HAPPEN IN WISCONSIN, IN TENNESSEE.
CHRISSY BEASLEY HOOD, AND HER AND HER DAUGHTER, UM, ARE ARE WAITING.
THERE'S TWO THAT ARE GOING IN TENNESSEE.
THEY'VE EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS.
SO THE SAME THING IS GONNA HAPPEN.
SO IT, IT REALLY SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE WHO EVERYBODY TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THIS SITUATION.
NOW I HAVE ONE QUICK STORY AND THEN I'M GONNA STOP SO THAT OTHERS CAN SPEAK.
UM, TONIGHT, MATTHEW'S BRO, MATTHEW HAS TWO BROTHERS.
ONE BROTHER RYAN IS HERE TONIGHT WITH HIS LOVELY WIFE, BLAKE, HIS OTHER BROTHER.
UM, ALEX AND HIS WIFE JENNA ARE IN MAINE, JUST GAVE BIRTH TO OUR FIRST, THEIR FIRST CHILD, UM, ON 4TH OF JULY.
SO NOW MATTHEW AND RYAN ARE UNCLES.
RYAN WILL TRAVEL TO SEE HIS NIECE.
MATTHEW WILL NOT, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A BATHROOM.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT'S GONNA TRAVEL 19 HOURS WITHOUT A BATHROOM.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.
WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
WE'RE NOT JUST ASKING FOR THIS TO HAPPEN AND MAKING THEM MAKE THE MAKE, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I REALLY AM ASKING FOR THIS TO BE A NEGOTIATION PIECE.
MA'AM, BEFORE YOU START, MR. RELL, UM, THE, UH, THE BUILDING CODE THAT WAS ENACTED HERE IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
COULD YOU RESTATE THAT AND KIND OF GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST HERE? YEAH, SO JENNIFER AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE NOW.
UM, AND JENNIFER AND HER GROUP LED A CHANGE, UM, TO THE OHIO BUILDING CODE THAT, UM, WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES AND FAMILY RESTROOMS IN CERTAIN AREAS, UH, INCLUDING, UM, HIGHWAY REST STOPS AND THE TRAVEL CENTERS THAT ARE ON THE TURNPIKE, UH, LARGE, UM, PLACES OF ASSEMBLY.
UM, AND, AND REALLY IN COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS, UM, THOSE FACILITIES THAT, THAT REQUIRE MORE THAN, UM, FIVE, FIVE RESTROOMS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FAMILY RESTROOM UNDER THE BUILDING CODE.
IF THERE'S A FAMILY RESTROOM, THAT RESTROOM IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE.
UM, I THINK MOST OF US FELT THAT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
UM, HOWEVER, THE WAY THE BUILDING CODE, UH, IS, IS, UM, DETERMINED.
UH, AND SO THE, UM, THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 74,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, HAS AN, HAS A VERY LOW OCCUPANCY LOAD, WHICH, UM, ONLY REQUIRED FOUR, UM, RESTROOMS. DESPITE THE FACT THAT THAT BUCKY'S IS PROVIDING, I DON'T KNOW, 40 OR 50, I FORGET THE EXACT COUNT BY THE BUILDING CODE.
THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FOUR.
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OF REQUIRING A FAMILY RESTROOM DOESN'T KICK IN, AND THEREFORE THE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE DOESN'T KICK IN.UM, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS AND, AND, AND I VERIFIED THIS WITH THE COUNTY CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL WHO DOES OUR PLAN REVIEWS.
UM, YEAH, IT IT'S UNDER THE THRESHOLD TO REQUIRE THIS, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
I ANSWER COULD I REPLY TO THAT AS WELL? I'M SORRY.
COULD I REPLY TO THAT AS WELL? YEAH.
WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, BUT YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD.
AND I, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL EVEN DO THAT JUST REAL QUICK.
BECAUSE I, I, I, I WROTE THE CODE
AND IT IS A WHOLE, IT'S A WHOLE, I'VE ALREADY CONTACTED THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL AND I'VE CONTACTED OHIO AND WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD IN ORDER TO FIX THE WHOLE, IT WILL TAKE THREE YEARS.
IT TOOK US THREE YEARS TO GET HERE.
IT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER THREE, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TONIGHT IS A, UH, PYLON SIGN ON THE HIGHWAY FOR BUCKY'S.
SO IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
HI, I'M DR. PAMELA COMBS, C-O-M-B-S.
I AM THE CEO OF THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY SERVICES.
AND THE REASON JENNIFER ASKED ME HERE TONIGHT WAS BECAUSE THIS IS SEEN AS A NEGOTIATION BECAUSE IT IS A CHANGE TO WHAT THEIR REQUEST WAS.
JULY IS DISABILITY PRIDE MONTH.
IT'S, UH, THE LARGEST MINORITY IN THE UNITED STATES OR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES.
UH, A SMALL SEGMENT HAVE DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES LIKE THOSE GATHERED HERE TODAY, BUT MANY AMERICANS ARE DISABLED.
PRESIDENT BUSH, JULY 26TH, 1990, SIGNED THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT THAT GUARANTEED ACCESS TO AMERICANS WHO HAD ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES WITH OUR BUILDING CODE.
WE FELT LIKE THIS WOULD ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES LIKE BUCKY'S WOULD NEED TO MAKE THEMSELVES, UM, ACCESSIBLE TO THE LARGE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE SERVING.
MANY PEOPLE NEED ACCESSIBILITY, NOT JUST THOSE SERVED BY OUR BOARD OF DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES.
THE AGING, ALSO THOSE WITH COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENTS.
I JUST FIND IT INCREDULOUS THAT THERE'S NOT EVEN GOING TO BE A FAMILY RESTROOM WHERE SOMEONE COULD GO WITH A PARENT OR SOMEONE TO PROVIDE TOILETING NEEDS.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND TO LET YOU KNOW OF JUST OUR GREAT CONCERN FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WE ARE OFFERING FUNDING IF THAT'S THE ISSUE, TO HELP GET THIS IN PLACE JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW OF THE IMPACT IT WILL HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS, UH, CASE? YES.
HI, I'M KIM KIRKWOOD, UM, JENNIFER'S CO-LEADER FOR CHANGING SPACES OHIO, AND I'M HERE WITH MY SON AID AND WHO'S OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
HE LIKES TO BE ABLE TO HEAR HIS MUSIC.
UM, BUT I WANNA ADDRESS, UH, MR. BEARD FROM BUCKY'S.
UM, A LARGE EFFORT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE BY JENNIFER TO LET YOU ALL KNOW HOW IMPACTFUL IT WOULD BE FOR BUCKY'S TO HAVE AN INCLUSIVE AND ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM.
AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHY HAVING A FAMILY RESTROOM AND A UNIVERSAL, UH, CHANGING TABLE AND UNIVERSALLY ACCESSIBLE EQUIPMENT MAKES SENSE FOR BUCKY'S.
UM, FIRST, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE AIDEN HERE, WHO'S MY SON THAT HAS MULTIPLE DISABILITIES, THEY HAVE A YOUNGER SON, OWEN, WHO'S NINE.
AND, UH, HE STAYED HOME THIS EVENING.
I THINK HE WOULD THINK THIS WAS VERY BORING.
BUT AIDAN AND I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.
AND THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES, MY BOYS' LIVES, I'VE TAKEN THEM MANY PLACES AND USUALLY BY MYSELF, THEIR DAD WOULD BE AT WORK.
AND I HAVE TWO BOYS, AND I'M THEIR MOM.
AND WHEN OWEN GOT OLD ENOUGH TO GO TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, HE STARTED WANTING TO GO INTO THE MEN'S ROOM BY HIMSELF WHEN HE, WHEN WE WERE OUT AND ABOUT, AND HE WAS ONLY SEVEN.
UH, I DIDN'T FEEL QUITE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY DECIDED TO GRAB HIM OR TALK TO HIM IN THE MEN'S ROOM, I WOULD BE OUTSIDE.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S A BIG REASON WHY PART OF OUR OHIO BUILDING CODE HAS IMPLEMENTED FAMILY RESTROOMS. AND SOMEHOW BUCKY SAYS, SLIPPED THROUGH AND A FAMILY RESTROOM IS NOT IN THE PLANS.
AND, UH, I THINK ALL FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN DESERVE A PLACE TO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN INTO THE FAMILY RESTROOM INSTEAD OF ME, FOR EXAMPLE, STANDING OUTSIDE THE MEN'S ROOM.
UH, AND EVERY TIME A MAN COMES IN OR OUT, I YELL AND MAKE SURE MY SON IS OKAY UNTIL HE'S OLD ENOUGH THAT IF SOMEBODY DID APPROACH HIM, HE
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COULD RUN OUT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE.SO I THINK ALL CHILDREN DESERVE SAFE PLACE TO GO WITH THEIR FAMILIES TO THE RESTROOM.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT, UH, CHILDREN LIKE MY SON AIDEN, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S OLDER INDIVIDUALS HERE, UH, THAT WERE AS OLD AS HIM AND NOW ARE OLDER, UH, WHO NEED A SAFE PLACE TO BE CARED FOR BY THEIR CAREGIVER.
RIGHT NOW, IF WE WENT TO A BUCKY'S, THE ONLY PLACE WE COULD CHANGE MY SON, AIDEN, WOULD BE IN THE TRUNK OF OUR CAR WHILE PEOPLE PASS BY.
UM, OR ON THE FLOOR OF LET'S SAY THE WOMEN'S ROOM.
AS I'M A WOMAN, I WOULD GO INTO THE WOMEN'S ROOM, BUT HE'S 11 AND HE IS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE A YOUNG MAN SOON.
AND NO LITTLE GIRLS OR WOMEN WANT TO WALK BY, UM, A MAN LAYING DOWN IN THE RESTROOM.
UH, A FLOOR BEING CHANGED, IT'S DOESN'T GIVE THEM ANY DIGNITY.
UM, THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE, THE ELDERLY, LIKE, UH, DR. COMBS WAS SAYING, MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT REQUIRE ASSISTANCE IN THE RESTROOM.
I'VE HAD, UH, OLDER, OLDER COUPLES.
THE WIFE HAS TOLD ME THAT HER HUSBAND HAD KNEE SURGERY AND SHE NEEDED TO HELP HIM 'CAUSE HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE STANDING AND SITTING AND NEEDED TO GO INTO THE RESTROOM WITH HIM AND HAD TO GO INTO THE MEN'S ROOM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FAMILY RESTROOM TO DO THOSE THINGS.
UM, I THINK, I KNOW BUCKY'S WANTS A BIG SIGN, A REALLY TALL SIGN TO BRING IN MORE BUSINESS.
UH, BUT I WOULD TELL THEM THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BRING EVEN MORE BUSINESS IS TO BE INCLUSIVE AND ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PEOPLE THAT MAY WANT TO COME THERE AND PATRONIZE YOUR BUSINESS.
UM, RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN IS NOT INCLUSIVE.
IT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN LINE WITH, UM, HOW HUBER HEIGHTS OPERATES.
UM, BUCKY'S, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT FOR E EQUITABLE RESTROOM FACILITIES FOR MY SON AND OTHERS WHO REQUIRE A UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS ERICA CASSIDY, E-R-I-K-A-C-A-S-S-I-D-Y.
AND I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF COOPER HEIGHTS.
TODAY, I STAND BEFORE YOU, NOT JUST, SORRY.
I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS.
IT'S REALLY TOUGH, UM, NOT JUST AS AN ADVOCATE, BUT AS A VOICE FOR THOSE IN A MARGINALIZED SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO MANY PEOPLE ARE EXCITED FOR HUBER HEIGHTS TO BE THE FIRST BUCKY'S IN OHIO, MYSELF INCLUDED.
HOWEVER, WHEN I LEARNED THAT THIS FUEL TYCOON WAS SAYING NO TO A MUCH NEEDED UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLE, MY HEART BEGAN TO ACHE FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES AND THEIR CAREGIVERS.
I'M HERE TO URGE YOU AND BUCKY'S TO RECONSIDER A SMALL CHANGE IN THE LAYOUT THAT CARRIES IMMENSE HUMANITARIAN SIGNIFICANCE, AND THAT'S THE INSTALLATION OF THESE UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES.
I'M ALSO HERE TO EMPLOY OUR CITY TO UNITE FOR THIS MARGINALIZED POPULATION.
BUCKY'S IS ALREADY KNOWN FOR THEIR REPUTATION OF THE BEST BATHROOMS IN THE WORLD.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A TRAILBLAZER IN THE FUEL FUEL INDUSTRY, WHICH CONNECTS THE MANY ROADS THAT LEAD TO BEAUTIFUL DESTINATIONS, CREATING OPPORTUNITIES, AND MAYBE EVEN PAVING THE WAY FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO RE REACH PLACES THEY NEVER BELIEVED POSSIBLE.
IMAGINE SETTING A NEW HUMANITARIAN STANDARD WHERE INSTEAD OF THIS BEING AN ANOMALY, IT BECOMES COMMON PRACTICE.
IMAGINE IF YOU WILL, A WORLD WHERE EVERY PARENT OR CAREGIVER CAN EASILY AND SAFELY CHANGE THEIR LOVED ONES.
FOR MANY OF US, MYSELF INCLUDED, IMAGINING THIS IS PROBABLY DIFFICULT TO DO, BUT WHAT IF IT WERE YOU OR YOUR CHILD OR YOUR PARENT? IS IT SO FAR OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBLE TO THINK THAT YOU MIGHT NEED ONE OF THESE TABLES TO ASSIST YOU IN CARING FOR A LOVED ONE SOMEDAY? THIS SIMPLE ACT OFTEN TAKEN FOR GRANTED CAN BE A DAUNTING CHALLENGE FOR MANY CAREGIVERS.
DUE TO THE LACK OF APPROPRIATE FACILITIES, MOTHERS, FATHERS AND CAREGIVERS ALIKE STRUGGLE IN CRAMP SPACES AND ARE FORCED TO RESORT TO THE UNSANITARY CONDITIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ADEQUATE CHANGING TABLES AVAILABLE.
THIS ISSUE GOES BEYOND MERE INCONVENIENCE.
IT STRIKES AT THE HEART OF EQUALITY AND HUMAN DIGNITY.
IT AFFECTS NOT ONLY PARENTS, BUT THE CHILDREN WHO DEPEND ON THEM FOR THEIR BASIC NEEDS.
IF EVERY PUBLIC RESTROOM WAS EQUIPPED, ALL CAREGIVERS WITH A CHANGING TABLE THAT ACCOMMODATES ALL CAREGIVERS, WE SEND A POWERFUL MESSAGE OF INCLUSIVITY AND SUPPORT FOR FAMILIES OF ALL KINDS.
SOME MAY ARGUE THAT THIS IS A MINOR ISSUE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.
HOWEVER, TO THE PARENT AND CAREGIVERS WHO FACE THIS CHALLENGE DAILY, IT IS ANYTHING BUT MINOR.
IT IS A DAILY STRUGGLE THAT CAN LEAVE THEM FEELING ISOLATED, FRUSTRATED, AND UNDERVALUED BY SOCIETY.
AS A COMPASSIONATE COMMUNITY, IT IS OUR DUTY TO MAKE SPACES MORE ACCESSIBLE AND WELCOMING FOR EVERYONE.
AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, INSTALLING UNIVERSAL CHANGING TABLES IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE, IT IS A
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STATEMENT OF OUR COMMITMENT TO EQUALITY AND EMPATHY.IT'S A STEP TOWARDS CREATING A WORLD WHERE EVERY PERSON, REGARDLESS OF THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES, GETS TO FEEL VALUED AND RESPECTED.
LET US WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PUBLIC SPACE REFLECTS OUR SHARED VALUES OF COMPASSION AND INCLUSIVITY.
TOGETHER WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS FAMILIES.
THIS DOESN'T EVEN REPRESENT A FRACTION OF THE IMPACT THAT WE COULD HAVE FOR PEOPLE.
THESE PEOPLE DESERVE NOTHING LESS THAN OUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT.
AGAIN, THIS IS MY HEARTFELT PLEA TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES.
USE THE SIGN REQUEST FROM BUCKY'S AS A NEGOTIATION TOOL TO SUPPORT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.
UM, I WANTED THIS TO BE, I DON'T WANNA BE EMOTIONAL
THERE'S FIVE AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS IN THE US.
25 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE US ARE INCONTINENT.
THAT MEANS THEY DON'T USE THE HANDICAP STALL.
THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN SOMEBODY COME OUT OF A HANDICAP STALL IN A WHEELCHAIR, THEY CAN'T USE IT.
SO MY SON'S 29, HE'S SIX FOOT TWO.
IF I'M TRAVELING ALONE WITH HIM, I CAN'T CHANGE HIM.
HE'S DOUBLE DIAPER, JUST SO WE CAN MAKE IT SOMEWHERE.
BUT IT'S, IT'S BARBARIC TO HAVE TO SIT IN THOSE TYPES OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.
I'VE HAD TO CHANGE HIM IN THE FLOOR OF A BATHROOM WHEN WE'VE BEEN TRAVELING.
UH, URS, WHICH IS IN HUBER, HUBER HEIGHTS, THEY PLAN TRIPS.
HE IS BEEN THERE FOR, SINCE HE'S BEEN 18 MONTHS OLD.
THEY CAN'T GO ON TRIPS EVEN IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE.
THEY WERE INSTITUTIONALIZED REPORT.
AND NOW THEY, THEY JUST WANT TO BE HAPPY.
THEY GO TO THE ROWS, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND WE SPEND MONEY HERE.
AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BUCKY'S TRULY TO BE EVEN MORE OF A DESTINATION.
DAYTON WOULD BE TAKING TRIPS THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEBODY WHO MADE $500 MILLION LAST YEAR CAN'T PUT IN A TABLE THAT COSTS $10,000.
MY SON ESRA, HE'S FOUR YEARS OLD.
WE'RE A NEW RESIDENT OF MIAMI COUNTY AND THIS IS SO IMPACTFUL FOR US BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY MOVED TO MIAMI COUNTY TO GET BETTER RESOURCES FOR MY SON.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE HIM HERE, HE'S A 4-YEAR-OLD WHOSE LIFE IS GONNA GET SMALLER AND SMALLER WHEN THE WORLD IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO HIM.
SO ALREADY WE COME TO HUBER HEIGHTS TO GO SHOPPING BECAUSE THERE'S A CART THAT HE FITS IN AT TARGET.
UM, I CAN'T TAKE HIM TO MEYER.
I CAN'T TAKE HIM TO THE KROGER.
'CAUSE OFTEN IT'S NOT IN THERE.
THESE KIND OF THINGS AFFECT MY EVERYDAY LIFE AND THEY AFFECT HIM.
LIKE HE DESERVES OPPORTUNITIES TO GO PLACES.
HE LOVES TO GO TO THE STORES, HE LOVES TO DO EVERYTHING THAT EVERY OTHER 4-YEAR-OLD DOES.
AND IT'S GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN'T LIFT HIM, I CAN'T CHANGE HIM ALREADY.
AND A BABY, HE'S AB IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT SAFE TO PUT HIM IN A BABY CHANGING TABLE.
I CAN'T LET THAT BE MY SON'S LIFE.
HE DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THE RESTROOMS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND I DON'T APPRECIATE A COMPANY SEEMINGLY USING A LOOPHOLE TO, TO MAKE MY SON'S WORLD SMALLER.
AND I AND EVERYONE ELSE'S, EVEN MY MOTHER, SHE DIED OF CANCER AT 59.
SHE, THE LAST FEW MONTHS OF HER LIFE WAS, UH, INCONTINENT AND USING, SHE WAS BEING CHANGED BY ME AND WE HAD SO MUCH FUN GOING AND EXPERIENCING THE THINGS FOR THE LAST TIME WITH HER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AND THAT
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WAS IT.AND ANY ONE OF US CAN BE IN THIS POSITION.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WE SEE THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? STEVE CORCORAN? UM, JUST TO MAKE IT QUICK HERE, WHY BUCKY'S? WHY ARE WE PICKING ON BUCKY'S? I, I'VE HEARD THAT FROM SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITUATION IS.
AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE, AND I KNOW MY DAUGHTER HAS, UH, SHE'S A BETTER EDUCATOR.
THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS BROUGHT UP IN COLLEGE TO BE AS A TEACHER.
UM, BUT THE REASON BUCKY'S, HOW MANY, HOW MANY BATHROOMS DO THEY HAVE IN THIS FACILITY THAT HAS 600 PARKING PLACES? HOW MANY, HOW MANY THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THEY'RE WATCHING THIS, HOW MANY, UH, UH, GAS PUMPS DO THEY HAVE? YEAH, MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S HERE, NOT JUST FOR THESE FOLKS, BUT FOR BUCKY'S THEMSELVES.
I WAS A BUSINESSMAN MY WHOLE LIFE AND I ALWAYS FOUND THAT THE MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE YOU GET.
AND MAYBE BUCKY'S DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE POPULATION OUT THERE AND THE, EXCUSE ME, THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT THEY GET IN THAT ARE, ARE WANTING TO TRAVEL.
AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE GEE, BUCKY'S HAS GOT ALL THESE BATHROOMS. THEY DO GREAT.
UH, THEY DO GREAT THINGS TO BRING 'EM IN.
THEY DEFINITELY LIKE KIDS, YOU KNOW, OR BUCKY WOULDN'T BE, WHAT A BUCKY.
UH, SO YOU KNOW WHY BUCKY? IT'S JUST, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR BUCKY'S.
AND UH, WHEN WE FIRST TALKED TO THEM AT THE VERY BEGINNING, UH, BASICALLY THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A LAW THAT TELLS US WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE'LL DO IT.
AND WE STILL MIGHT DO IT, BUT NOW IT'S NO, WE CAN SKIRT THE LAW, WHICH THAT LAW, THAT JUST, THAT JUST REALLY IRKS ME.
IF BUCKY'S DOESN'T FIT THAT LAW, NOBODY DOES.
SO THEY MIGHT AS WELL JUST TAKE IT BACK AND REDO THEIR JOB.
UM, EVERYTHING TODAY IS LEGALITIES AND HOW CAN WE SKIRT THE SYSTEM? AND IT JUST, UH, IT'S JUST DISAPPOINTING.
SO WISH BUCKY'S WELL, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THEY DO GREAT.
UH, I'M GLAD THEY'RE COME TO HUBER HEIGHTS AND CHOSE THIS AREA, UH,
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK THEY COULD STEP UP TO AND, AND, UH, IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ME AGAIN, CYNTHIA SCHWARTZ.
UM, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BALLOON.
UM, IS THAT BALLOON LOCATION ON THERE, IS THAT REALLY WHERE THE PLACEMENT IS GOING TO BE? OR, 'CAUSE I SEEN SOMETHING ELSE TO WHERE IT WAS CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY.
SO WAS THAT BALLOON LAUNCH DONE AT THE ACTUAL SPOT OF THE SIGN? SO THE BALLOON LAUNCH IS MAYBE 15 FEET TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THE SIGN ACTUALLY WOULD BE.
'CAUSE THE, THE POND IS GOING TO, THE, THE DESIGN OF THE POND'S GONNA CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
THE, UH, THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US INDICATED THAT THE SIGN WOULD BE SOUTH OF THE POND IN DISCUSSING IT WITH, UH, BUCKY'S REPRESENTATIVE, IT, THAT WAS AN AIR AND IT IS GONNA BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE POND WHERE THE BALLOON TEST ACTUALLY OCCURRED.
WITHIN LIKE 15 FEET OF THAT? YEAH.
THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT BUCKY'S IS A REST STOP.
UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S A GAS STATION, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT IT IS.
BUT UH, FOR ANY B BUCKY'S REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE LISTENING, YOU ARE REST UP, YOU HAVE 600
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PARKING SPACES.I THINK THAT, UM, WE CAN AT LEAST COMPLY, UH, TO GET RID OF TWO OR THREE STALLS IN THE WOMEN'S AND THE MEN'S RESTROOMS TO PUT IN THESE CHANGING, UH, STATIONS SINCE, UH, A FAMILY RESTROOM THEY SAY, UH, CAUSES A LOT MORE SAFETY CONCERNS.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF IT.
ANY OTHER STATEMENTS OR CONCERNS? I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL REPLY MR. YEAH, SO I, I'LL REPLY.
SO OBVIOUSLY, AND MS. SCORPION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN VERY SYMPATHETIC FROM UP HERE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO.
AND MR. BEARD ALWAYS SAY, I WAS DISAPPOINTED AT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO LEARN THAT ALL OF THE CALLS SINCE THE BASIC PLAN HAD GONE UNANSWERED WHEN WE ALL THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, THERE WAS A LINE OF COMMUNICATION.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, I DO BELIEVE THEY'VE LOOKED INTO THEIR BUSINESS CASE AND MADE THEIR DECISION ON THEIR BUSINESS AND HAS COMMUNICATED IT THIS TIME AROUND.
AND I CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL A BUSINESS THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS DECISION.
AND I DON'T THINK WE LEGALLY CAN ACTUALLY BASED ON A SIGN.
AND, AND I SAY THAT AS MY UNCLE IS CONFINED TO A WHEEL CHAIR, LIVES IN A NURSING HOME AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT SYMPATHETIC AT ALL.
UH, AND I ALSO THINK I'VE, I'VE SEEN COMMENTS ONLINE AND HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT HUBER HEIGHTS BEING A PIONEER AND A LEADER.
I THINK WE ARE, WE HAVE THREE OF THESE IN TOWN ALREADY WITH A COMMITMENT TO MORE SO.
SO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS I THINK IS TRYING TO LEAD FROM THE FRONT IN THIS CASE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE THREE IN THE PLAN FOR MORE, DON'T WE? CORRECT.
ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? NO, I MEAN, I, JENNIFER I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
IS THERE, SO LET ME, LET ME GO BACK.
SO I, I AM OBVIOUSLY VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE, TO THE ISSUE AND, AND, AND COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYBODY HAS, HAS SAID FROM A NEGOTIATION STANDPOINT, I WILL SAY I AM FROM THE, AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, I AM RELUCTANT TO TIE THE APPROVAL OF A ZONING ISSUE TO A COMP A BUILDING CODE COMPLIANT, UM, BUILDING ISSUE.
UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE COMPLIANT TO THE BUILDING CODE IN MY VIEW.
AND AS IS MENTIONED, IT'S A WHOLE, BUT, UM, AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, I'M VERY RELUCTANT TO, UM, RECOMMEND THAT YOU, YOU TIE THE TWO TOGETHER.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT BUCKY'S HUBER HEIGHTS LLC, FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 125 FOOT TALL HIGHWAY ORIENTED PYLON SIGN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8,000 STATE ROUTE 2 35, CASE DDP 24 DASH ZERO NINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 2ND, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO MOVED BY MR. JEFFRIES.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. THOMAS? SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. THOMAS? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, THEY WILL, UH, RESUBMIT PLANS AND, UM, UH, THEY NEED TO ISSUE THE LANDSCAPING BOND TO US.
UH, AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, THEY HAVE ALL THEIR NECESSARY APPROVALS.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
UH, NEXT ON, ON THE AGENDA'S, APPROVAL OF MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 11TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WOULD BE APPROVED.
THEY ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW.
MR. RELL, I HAVE NONE AT THIS TIME.
HE WOULD VERY, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THEM? OKAY, WE STAND ADJOURNED.