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[1. Call Meeting To Order/Roll Call]
HEY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.TODAY'S DATE IS JULY 2ND, 2024.
IT'S 6 0 2, AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED.
UM, THIS MEETING, MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.
SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
MR. LOONEY? PRESENT? MRS. KITCHEN? HERE.
[2. Approval Of Minutes]
NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.WE HAVE ONE SET OF MINUTES THAT HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.
THOSE WERE FROM JUNE 18TH, 2024.
UH, THENO CORRECTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS, THOSE MINUTES SUSTAINED AS APPROVED.
[ City Manager Report]
ARE APPROVED.THE NEXT IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION DISCUSSION TOPICS THIS EVENING.
AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGERS REPORT.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, JUST FOR ME TO STAFF, A BIG THANK YOU ON THE STAR-SPANGLED HEIGHTS.
THE, UH, FESTIVAL WAS, WAS WELL ATTENDED.
UM, EVEN WITH THE LITTLE SNAFU OF THE, THE STORM MID-AFTERNOON HEADING INTO EVERYTHING ENDED UP REALLY WELL.
SO JUST A BIG THANK YOU TO PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION VOLUNTEERS, FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS, UM, AND, AND VENDORS AS WELL.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY NICE.
OUR SPONSORS, WE HAD KROGER, THE BARN BRUNCH PEACE AND TRANQUILITY DAVIDSON GARAGE, AND THEN THE GREAT LIFE FARM.
SO, UH, JUST A GREAT EVENT OVERALL.
SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA, WE, I TALKED TO STAFF TODAY.
WE ARE GONNA HAVE AN AFTER ACTION REPORT, KIND OF.
I THINK WE DID SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS AND I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME ROOM TO MAKE IT AN EVEN BETTER EVENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AND COORDINATE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAKE SOME GOOD NOTES, GET READY FOR NEXT YEAR, SO, SURE.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WORK GOES IN IT'S BEHIND TO KIND OF PULL THIS TON OF WORK.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY JUST FROM BEING AT THE PARADE ORGANIZING THE PARADE AND THEN TRANSITIONING EVERYTHING DOWN TO CLOUD PARK, IT WAS, YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY HUGE UNDERTAKING.
SO, UM, ANOTHER PARKS AND REC NOTE, JUST, WE DO HAVE SOME NUMBERS FROM THE STAR SPRINGWOOD HEIGHTS.
ATTENDANCE NUMBERS WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW ARE RIGHT AT, UH, 16.6, UM, K.
SO LAST YEAR WE HAD 14.4, UH, AND THEN IN 2022 WE HAD 14.3.
SO WE DID HAVE ABOUT 2000 MORE ATTENDEES THIS YEAR THAN IN THE PAST.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE CLOUD PART.
WE HAVE LONGER, UH, PARADE TOO, DIDN'T WE? IT WAS A BIG GOOD, I MEAN, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED.
WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF LULL THERE FROM, WHAT WAS I THINKING, FISHBURG, TO RIGHT AROUND POWELL ROAD, BUT THEN IT PICKED RIGHT BACK UP, SO, YEAH, IT WAS, OF COURSE IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD.
THEN I THINK IT, I MEAN, LAST YEAR WE GOT RAINED OUT, SO I THINK
SO, UM, SOME OTHER, UH, NUMBERS REAL QUICK.
SO SARAH IS WORKING TO, UH, KIND OF WORK WITH OUR LOCATION SOFTWARE AND GET SOME MORE INFORMATIVE STATS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AND KIND OF SEE AGAIN WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE GAME TRUCK WAS BACK TODAY, UM, OUT IN THE PARKS LAST TIME THEY WERE HERE.
THEY SERVED 300 CHILDREN WITH FREE VIDEO GAMES AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
UM, THEY WERE ATHO GATE TODAY FROM, UH, NOON TO TWO AND AT CLOUD PARK FROM THREE TO FIVE.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE THE EVENT TOMORROW, UM, AT GARY SHERMAN, THE HUBER HEIGHTS YOUTH LIBRARIANS ARE GONNA BE OUT, THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME READING AND THEN SOME BUBBLE FUN, UM, WITH EVERYBODY.
AND THEN, UM, KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCIL WAS ASKED ABOUT WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, MAKING THINGS A LITTLE MORE CULTURAL.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, UM, UH, DANCERS FROM DAYTON DANCE CONSERVATORY, AND THE, WE ARE GIRL WARRIOR GIRLS ARE GONNA BE AT THE, UH, EEL BERGER THIS SATURDAY FROM 11 TO ONE, WHICH IS OUR FARMER'S MARKET.
SO IF YOU WANNA SEE SOME OF THAT, UM, ALSO THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
UM, AND I KNOW WE HAD HAD SOME REQUESTS TO GET THE CULTURAL WEEKS UP ON THE SIGNS.
WE'RE GONNA DO THAT BECAUSE THE FOLLOWING WEEK, THE, UM, UKRAINE, UKRAINIAN CULTURAL BE AT THE, UH, FARMER'S MARKET.
THE LAST THING I HAVE, I HAD A QUESTION, UM, THIS WEEK ABOUT OLD TROY PIKE, AND I KNOW IT'S AT THE FOREFRONT OF EVERYONE'S MIND.
UM, WE DID HAVE THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS INSTALLED.
OUR BIGGEST WEIGHT RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE WAITING ON A ES TO COME BACK AND SUPPLY POWER TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO BE THERE THE WEEK OF JULY 15TH.
ONCE THAT DONE, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR CAN COME BACK IN.
WE'RE GONNA FINISH THAT CONCRETE MEDIAN MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE.
UM, THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY HAPPEN RIGHT TOWARDS THE END OF AUGUST.
AND THEN, SO WE'RE HOPING SEPTEMBER-ISH, I'LL PROBABLY EAT MY WORDS, BUT SEPTEMBER-ISH, WE'LL GET THE REPAVING DONE, UM, FROM TAYLORSVILLE TO, UM, THE INTERSTATE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE JUST, YEAH, JUST KIND OF KEEP THOSE, UH, UPDATES KIND OF COMING.
WE ARE FROM, WE ARE FROM, FROM THIS.
JUST SO WE, UH, I MEAN, I THINK, 'CAUSE A LOT OF US ARE PROBABLY FIELDING CALLS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT LOOKS LIKE AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE MAED ARMS WERE A, A BIG DEAL, BUT NOW THOSE ARE HERE.
AND WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT YOU WERE WAITING ON THE MAST ARMS AND YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S, WE'RE STILL WAITING IN.
NOW WE JUST GOTTA GET POWER TO HIM.
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YEP, GO AHEAD.ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE, THAT'S IT.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN SPECIFIC TO HIS REPORT? OKAY.
WHEN WILL THE BARRELS COME OUT OF THERE? CONSTRUCTION BARRELS.
WHEN WILL THEY BE OUT THERE? SO YOU THINK SEPTEMBER 1ST, THAT PART OF THAT DATE TIED IN, OR? YEAH, I THINK SO.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CAN TELL THE, AM I RIGHT, RUSS
YEAH, IT'LL BE RIGHT AFTER THE PROJECT.
AND THE LANES WILL BE MARKED AFTER PAVING.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I JUST THINK FOR THE, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE THE, THE WORK, THE PHYSICAL WORK THAT'S HAPPENING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THAT OTHER STUFF CAN HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEING ORANGE BARRELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE ROAD CLOSED, AND THEY, AND, BUT THEY DON'T SEE ANY WORK HAPPENING, SO THEY'RE JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON? SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL STAYING UP TO DATE WITH ALL THAT.
[ Charter Review Commission - Proposed City Charter Amendments]
TO ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND THE PROPOSED CITY CHARTER AMENDMENTS.SO TONIGHT WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS HERE WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, MAINLY, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE, OUR CONTINGENT OF, UH, CITIZEN MEMBERS OF THE, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND, UH, EVERYBODY'S BEEN WORKING HARD TO, UH, REVIEW THE CHARTER.
AND, UM, THEY'RE HERE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THIS EVENING.
SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MATT SCHAPER, WHO IS THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND HE WILL INTRODUCE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
I HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING AS THE CHAIR OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THIS YEAR.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, THE VICE CHAIR, ANGELA SUMMERS, THOMAS DILLINGHAM, JENNIFER SARUS, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, JOHN RUSSELL.
OUR STAFF LIAISON WAS CLERK OF COUNCIL, AN ANTHONY ROGERS.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE LEGAL TEAM FROM COOLIDGE WALL.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EACH OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR THEIR HARD WORK EFFORT AND DILIGENCE TO THE RE WORK REQUIRED FOR SUCH AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU TOOK AND WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILIES FOR THIS IMPORTANT ENDEAVOR.
ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY STAFF MEMBERS WHO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES TO PROVIDE US WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE WE REQUESTED.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR TRUSTING US WITH THIS IMPORTANT PROCESS.
FINALLY, A HUGE THANK YOU TO ANTHONY ROGERS FOR ALL HIS WORK IN PREPARATION FOR OUR MEETINGS AND HIS GUIDANCE.
DURING THE MEETINGS, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION HAD OUR FIRST MEETING BACK IN MARCH.
WE HAVE MET SIX TIMES AND WILL CONTINUE TO MEET AND HELP EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON ANY CHARTER MODIFICATIONS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES TO PLACE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.
EACH MEETING CONSISTED OF THE REVIEW OF AROUND THREE CHARTER ARTICLES AND SEVERAL ACTION ITEMS FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WERE WELCOME TO RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THE CHARTER.
THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT WAS ALSO PROVIDED AT EVERY MEETING.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES TO THE CHARTER WERE DISCUSSED OVER SEVERAL MEETINGS BEFORE BEING BROUGHT, BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, MR. ROGERS HAS INCLUDED, UM, OH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CHANGES OF CHARTER.
WERE DISCUSSED OVER SEVERAL MEETINGS, WHICH INCLUDED HAVING MR. ROGERS, THE LEGAL TEAM AND THE CITY STAFF, PROVIDE US WITH HISTORICAL INFORMATION, COMPARABLE DATA FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND OTHER INFORMATION NEEDED BY THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE THESE IMPORTANT DECISIONS.
MR. ROGERS HAS PROVIDED EACH OF YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR COMMITTEE.
UH, HOWEVER, EACH OF US WILL GO OVER, UH, SOME OF THE RATIONALE FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M GONNA START WITH SECTION 4.03 ELIGIBILITY.
THIS IS BETTER KNOWN AS RUNNING FROM A SAFE SEAT.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CHANGE THE CHARTER TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM RUNNING FOR MAYOR OR A COUNCIL POSITION WHEN THEY ARE NOT IN THE LAST YEAR OF THEIR CURRENT TERM.
WHEN A PERSON CHOOSES TO RUN AGAINST ANOTHER PERSON ON THE DAAS, THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER ENDS.
THE 2021 CAMPAIGN ILLUSTRATED THIS POINT, THE RACE FOR MAYOR AND THE AT-LARGE COUNCIL POSITION THAT YEAR PUT FIVE PEOPLE FROM THE DAAS IN THE ELECTION AGAINST EACH OTHER.
THE RELATIONSHIPS ON THE DIOCESE WERE NOT PRETTY.
THE INCUMBENTS WON THE ELECTION.
THE THREE THAT LOST WERE STILL ON COUNCIL DUE TO THEIR SAFE SEAT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THOSE YEARS WERE VERY INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.
IF THE COUNCIL SENDS THIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS APPROVE THE CHANGE, WE WILL NO LONGER SEE CAMPAIGNING FROM THE DAIS AND WILL NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HARD FEELINGS FROM A BITTER CAMPAIGN PREVENTING
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THE GOOD WORK THAT THE CITY, UH, DOES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS OF THEIR TURN.AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE, UH, MR. DILLINGHAM TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE NEXT SECTION.
UM, SO THE NEXT RECOMMENDATION, I THINK WAS SECTION 5 0 7.
UM, AS A COMMISSION, WE DECIDED TO REMOVE THE MAYOR'S ABILITY TO VETO LEGISLATION WHILE GRANTING MAYOR, THE MAYOR FULL VOTING RIGHTS AS A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.
UH, HERE, UH, HERE ARE THE KEY POINTS TO THAT, THAT DECISION.
UH, ONE, THE MAYOR WILL BE COUNTED AS A PART OF THE COUNCIL FOR QUORUM PURPOSES, BUT PREVIOUSLY THE MAYOR'S POSITION DID NOT COUNT IN VOTING.
UH, TWO, WITH THE MAYOR HAVING A VOTE, TIES ARE LESS LIKELY UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS ABSENT.
AND THREE, ALLOWING THE MAYOR TO VOTE WHILE ELIMINATING THE VETO POWER ENABLES THE MAYOR TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN COUNCIL DECISIONS WITHOUT HOLDING DISPROPORTIONATE AUTHORITY.
UM, THIS APPROACH ENSURES THE MAYOR IS AN ACTIVE AND EQUAL PARTICIPANT IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, PROMOTING A BALANCED GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
UM, THE ONE THAT I'M GONNA SPEAK ON IS SECTION 5.08, AUTHENTICATION AND RECORDING REVIEW.
CODIFICATION AND REPRODUCTION.
UM, MR. ROGERS IS REQUIRED BY OUR CHARTER TO POST, UM, POST NOTICES, UM, OF ANY PROPOSED ADOPTION OR REIFICATION BY THE COUNCIL.
AND HE'S SUPPOSED TO PUBLISH IT IN A NEWSPAPER.
THIS WOULD CHANGE, UH, THE CHARTER, ALLOWING HIM TO POST THE NOTICE FOR AT LEAST 10 DAYS PRIOR TO COUNCIL'S ADOPTION THEREOF ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
AND IN NOT LESS THAN THREE PUBLIC PLACES WITHIN THE CITY.
AS SUCH, PUBLIC PLACES ARE DETERMINED BY THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS 6.01.
THIS ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT QUALIFICATIONS AND COMPENSATION.
THIS CHANGE WOULD ALIGN OUR CITY CHARTER WITH THE STATE LAW AND THE OHIO STATE SUPREME COURT RULING THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
BUT THIS CHANGE WILL ALLOW COUNSEL TO NEGOTIATE RESIDENCY, AND IT WILL ALIGN OUR CHARTER TO THE STATE LAW.
THANK YOU, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
MR. MAYOR TONY, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I'M GOING TO COVER SECTIONS 9.07 AND 1308.
UM, BEING A LIFELONG MEMBER OF THE HUBER HEIGHTS, I HAVE WITNESSED FROM THE SIDELINES, I'LL SAY THE WORDS SILLINESS INSTEAD OF OTHER WORDS.
UM, IN THE RECENT YEARS AND GAMES THAT HAVE BEEN PLAYED, ALL OF WHICH HAS SLOWED THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO PROGRESS SEVERELY DAMAGES THE REPUTATION OF THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP AND HAS CREATED AN ATMOSPHERE OF APATHY FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY.
WHILE I BELIEVE THIS CURRENT LEADERSHIP WOULD NOT BEHAVE IN THAT MANNER, I ALSO BELIEVE IN HOPING FOR THE BEST, BUT PREPARING FOR THE WORST, WHICH IS WHY I WANNA PROPOSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNCIL AND IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, A CHANGE IN THE CHARTER TO 13.08 B ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CHARTER CURRENTLY READS UNEXCUSED ABSENCES FROM ANY THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETINGS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE AS A COMMITTEE HAVE PROPOSED REMOVING THE WORD CONSECUTIVE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT EMERGENCIES HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHY THE LANGUAGE PERTAINING, PERTAINING TO UNEXCUSED WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHATTER ONLINE FROM CITIZENS WHO HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT NOT A LOT OF ACTION TO BACK IT UP AROUND THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS CHANGE TO BE ABUSED OR WEAPONIZED.
AS AN EMPLOYEE MYSELF, I CANNOT NOT SHOW UP TO MY JOB FOR MULTIPLE DAYS IN A ROW AND EXPECT TO RETAIN THAT, NOR SHOULD MY EMPLOYER TOLERATE THAT BEHAVIOR.
AND I WOULD SERIOUSLY QUESTION ANYONE WHO HAS CHATTER ONLINE ABOUT BEING OKAY WITH THIS.
YOU ARE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
YOU SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD.
AND I THINK THE CITIZENS OF HUBER HEIGHTS WOULD APPRECIATE THAT AND IT WOULD RESTORE SOME OF THE TRUST AND THE CREDIBILITY.
SUBSEQUENTLY, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS CHANGES TO CHARTER SECTION POINT OR 9.07.
BELONGING TO A CITY BOARD OR A COMMISSION IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY.
WE'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT
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WOULD EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE IN A BOARD OR COMMISSION TO DO THE SAME.WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE WORD UNEXCUSED, OR THE WORD OF THREE CONSECUTIVE UNEXCUSED ABSENCES ALSO BE REMOVED TO REMAIN IN, REMAIN IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE COUNCIL.
AGAIN, UNEXCUSED WOULD BE, WOULD REMAIN IN THE LANGUAGE.
WE WOULD JUST BE REMOVING THE CONSECUTIVE PIECE.
AND AS A CITIZEN WHO CARES DEEPLY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT AND MOVE THESE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO A PUBLIC VOTE IN NOVEMBER.
SO THOSE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND, AND JUST AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE DID PUT A LOT OF TIME, EFFORT.
UM, WE DID, WE HAD TONY DO A LOT OF RESEARCH ON, UH, OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE AREA.
UM, AND SURPRISINGLY, LIKE EVEN THE MAYOR'S VOTE, MOST CITIES HAVE THE MAYOR VOTE AND HE HAS NO VETO POWER.
UH, SO THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD JUST BE ALIGNING OURSELVES WITH OTHER CITIES THAT ARE LIKE HUBER HEIGHTS.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'VE GOT THE FOUR OF US HERE.
WE'D LOVE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS NOW.
UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS YOU, UM, DISCUSS THIS AMONG YOURSELVES AND YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BACK AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR GIVE YOU ANY MORE INSIGHT IF YOU HAVE NOTHING FOR US FOR TODAY.
UH, SO JUST, UM, FOR MYSELF, I MEAN, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT AND THE TIME THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO SERVING ON THE COMMISSION.
I KNOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH TYPICALLY IS GETTING PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER.
WE SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING OPEN SPOTS ON A LOT OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND WE KNOW THAT IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND, UH, AND EFFORT TO GO THROUGH THIS.
SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, JUST GO BACK TO THE FIRST SECTION, 40.03 MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, THE WAY THIS STATES RIGHT HERE IS, SINCE MINE IS, NO OFFENSE, I'M NOT RUNNING FOR MAYOR THIS YEAR, BUT I, IF I WANT TO RUN FOR MAYOR, I WOULD NOT BE ON MY LAST YEAR.
SO THEN THE SECOND YOU WOULD PUT YOUR PETITION IN AND IT IS FILED WITH THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN FROM YOUR POSITION AS COUNSEL AND YOU WOULD RUN WITHOUT A SAFE SEAT AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN YOUR SEAT AND COUNSEL WOULD THEN BE FILLED THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESSES OF FILLING A SEAT.
SO NOW YOU HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FROM A SAFE SEAT AT THAT POINT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S POSITION.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE AN AT LARGE PERSON DECIDE, I DON'T LIKE KATE BAKER, SO I'M GONNA RUN AGAINST KATE.
I'M GONNA RUN AGAINST KATE FROM MY SAFE SEAT AND TRY TO KNOCK HER OUT 'CAUSE I LIVE IN HER WARD.
UH, SO IT WOULD PREVENT ANY OF THAT FROM HAPPENING THAT WAY.
UM, THERE'S NO ARGUMENTS GOING ON.
THERE'S NO, UH, CAMPAIGNING FROM THE DAAS, I'M BETTER THAN HIM, OR, YOU KNOW, SHE'S FULL OF BULL.
DON'T LISTEN TO HER FROM THE DAIS.
UM, IF SOMEBODY LOSES THE ELECTION, THERE'S NO HARD FEELINGS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO WHERE NO WORK GETS ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY.
UM, SO, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST THE MAYOR POSITION, IT'S NOT JUST IN THAT LARGE POSITION BECAUSE SOMEONE FROM THAT LARGE, OR SOMEONE FROM THE EVEN THE MAYOR COULD CHOOSE TO GO BACK INTO WARD AND TRY TO KNOCK SOMEBODY OUT FROM WARD FROM A SAFE SEAT.
HEY MATT, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO ADD THAT, THAT THE PETITION HAS TO BE CERTIFIED, RIGHT? ONCE A PETITION IS CERTIFIED, YES.
IF, IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE LAST YEAR, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO RESIGN YOUR POSITION ON COUNCIL.
BUT YOU HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE ON THE SAME YEAR.
JUST EXAMPLE, RUNNING FOR CORRECT.
MAYOR THAT COULD BECAUSE THEY'RE, AND THEY, THEY WOULD BE IN THAT WINDOW.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT IS OUTSIDE THAT WINDOW.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO COULD RUN FROM A SAFE SEAT AND CAUSE PROBLEMS. SO IT DOES KIND OF SWITCH IT.
BUT IT PUTS SKIN IN THE GAME TO RUN IF YOU'RE GONNA CHOOSE TO RUN.
I JUST WANT, WANT TO GIVE UP A SEAT IF I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, RUN FROM RIGHT.
MAYOR OR AT LARGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S, IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE'RE THE FIRST STEP OF THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS.
SO NOW WE'LL PUT IT IN YOUR CAPABLE HANDS.
THE LANGUAGES THAT STATES WOULD JUST NOT ALLOW A, A MEMBER TO RUN CONCURRENTLY FOR TWO POSITIONS ON COUNCIL ARE B IN ONE AND RUN FOR ANOTHER AT THE SAME TIME.
SO EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT RUN SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE MAYOR, YOU'D HAVE TO NOT RUN FOR REELECTION AND THAT FOR THE CURRENT OFFICE AND SWITCH TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DO, CORRECT.
SO THAT'S NOT HOW THE OTHER, THE REST OF THE STATE RUNS.
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO RUN FROM A SAFE SEAT.
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ABOUT CHANGING THIS? JUST THE HEART HURT FEELINGS.YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE, THE CAMPAIGNING FROM THE DAIS, THAT'S NOT VERY APPROPRIATE IN A MEETING.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO RUN AGAINST NANCY FOR AT LARGE THE WHOLE TIME FROM FEBRUARY TO NOVEMBER, ANYTHING NANCY SAYS YOU'RE GONNA SAY IS CRAP.
ANYTHING YOU SAY NANCY'S GONNA SAY IS CRAP.
AND THAT'S NOT, BUT MY ONLY COMMENT IS DOING ANYTHING THAT'S NOT HOW THE REST OF THE STATE DOES THIS.
SO MY OTHER COMMENT WAS, UM, SO IF THE COUNSEL, MRS THREE UN CONCURRENT MEETINGS, THEY'RE PUSHED FROM THEIR UN UNEXCUSED, UNEXCUSED, UNEXCUSED AT ANY TIME DURING THIS CALENDAR YEAR, DURING THEIR TERM, DURING THEIR TERM, DURING THEIR TERM, DURING THEIR TERM.
UM, BUT AGAIN, TO REMOVE, YOU GO BACK TO YOUR REMOVAL CLAUSE IN THE CHARTER, IT TAKES TWO THIRDS OF A VOTE.
SO NOT ONLY WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE THREE ABSENCES, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE TWO THIRDS OF THE COUNCIL STILL VOTE TO REMOVE YOU, WHICH MAY NOT HAPPEN EITHER.
WOULD THIS APPLY TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? YES.
THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE SECOND CHANGE THAT, UM, JENNIFER TALKED ABOUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO, UH, TO PUT THESE ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER, UH, THERE'S AN AUGUST 6TH FILING DEADLINE FOR THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, WHICH MEANS, UM, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE, UH, SPECIFYING THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE BALLOT, UM, BY ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN, UM, JULY.
AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IN THE CALENDAR, UH, AND AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING TWO READINGS, WHETHER IT HAS, YOU KNOW, ONE READING AND THE SECOND READING'S WAIVED, OR TWO READINGS AT THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PASSED AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION, UH, TO BE IN EFFECT IMMEDIATELY TO MEET THAT DEADLINE.
SO IF, SO, IF WE COULD MOVE, WE COULD MOVE THIS ON TO, UM, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AS THE FIRST READING WITHOUT ANY VOTE, THEN THAT WOULD BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION BEFORE IT WOULD GO TO THE SECOND READING, WHICH WILL BE THE LAST MEETING OF JULY.
OR YOU COULD JUST PUT IT ON THE SECOND MEETING OF JULY FOR A FIRST READING AND HAVE WAIVING AND, AND ADOPTION.
THE, THE PROBLEM IS, UH, IN PUTTING IT ON NOW, THERE HAS TO BE SOME DECISIONS MADE.
ONE, WHETHER COUNSEL WANTS ALL OR SOME OF THESE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO THE BALLOT.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GROUPING OF THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS.
SO LIKE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE MAYOR'S, UH, UH, VOTE AND THE ELIMINATION, THE MAYOR'S VETO ARE ALL RELATED INTERTWINED SECTIONS.
SO THOSE WOULD BE PASSED AS ONE AMENDMENT, BUT THE OTHERS, UH, WE COULD COMPILE THEM TOGETHER, UM, IN GROUPS OR YOU COULD, UH, HAVE ALL THE REST OF 'EM IN ONE.
UM, USUALLY THE DECISIONS MADE ON, IF YOU THINK THERE'S SOME MORE ROUTINE THINGS, YOU MIGHT GROUP THOSE TOGETHER.
AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE CONTROVERSIAL, UM, THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE ABILITY TO PASS THE OTHER ONES, IT MIGHT BE SEPARATED OUT AS A SEPARATE CHARTER AMENDMENT.
SO WHEN IS OUR FIRST MEETING OF AUGUST? SO AUGUST 6TH IS THE DEADLINE.
WE, YOU THERE WOULD NOT BE TIME.
SO IT HAVE TO HAPPENED AT THE SECOND MEETING OF JULY.
SO CLEARLY, I MEAN, ALL THESE NEED TO COME BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION FOR EVERYONE TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, THAT NEEDS, IT NEEDS TO COME BACK.
SO, UH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PASSED AS IT, AS IT WOULD AS AN EMERGENCY OR WAIVE THE SECOND READING OF, OF JULY.
UH, THANKS, MATT, THOMAS, ANGELA, JENNIFER, DON, NANCY, MARK.
IT WAS MY PLEASURE, UH, WORKING AND GETTING TO KNOW EACH OF YOU, UH, MAYOR.
IT, IT WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THE TABLE WITH A SERVANT'S HEART AND A DEDICATION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET TO SEE EVERY DAY.
AND, UH, THEY'VE ALSO, WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE BEEN VETTED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR VALIDITY AND THE ABILITY TO ENACT THEM UNDER OUR HOME RULE AUTHORITY.
SO, SO WE'VE HAD OUR LEGAL COUNSEL REVIEW THIS.
WE'VE HAD OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER PARTICIPATE.
WE'VE HAD FOLKS THAT HAD BEEN ON A CITY CHARTER COMMISSION IN THE PAST.
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AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SUM THAT UP WITH, UH, TONY ROGERS.UM, WHAT TYPE OF CLERK ARE YOU? MASTER CLERK.
AND THEN ALL OF THESE GOOD, FINE PEOPLE.
SO MATT, YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB CHAIRING.
UH, HE WAS PUT ON NOTICE THE JOB YOU DID
AND WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO HELPING EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO PUT TOWARD THE VOTERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE CLEAR ON THE RATIONALE FOR THESE AMENDMENTS.
KEN, NANCY, YOU DONE? I'M DONE.
MATT, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB IN LEADING THE TEAM.
UM, IT WENT VERY SMOOTHLY, UM, PROFESSIONALLY AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
AND THEY CAME IN WITH SUCH A FRESH PERSPECTIVE AND BROUGHT UP ALTERNATIVES THAT, UM, WE HAVE NEVER HEARD BEFORE.
AND IT REALLY LED TO SOME VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS.
AND, BUT IN THE END, I THINK WE ALL AGREED WHAT WAS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE.
MAYBE SOME THINGS WERE NOT, BUT THE DISCUSSION WAS WONDERFUL.
I THINK THAT YOU ALL HAVE SERVED YOUR COMMUNITY WELL AND WE DO THANK YOU FOR, UH, TAKING THE TIME AND THE EFFORT TO PARTICIPATE.
FIRST OFF, UM, WHY THREE UNEXCUSED ABSENCE VERSUS FOUR? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE ONE PER YEAR IF YOU AVERAGE OUT.
WE JUST, THE ONLY THING WE WANTED TO CHANGE WAS DROP THE CONSECUTIVE OUT.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS A COUNCIL YOU CAN CHANGE IT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
IT'D BE YOUR AMENDMENT IF YOU THINK FOUR IS MORE EFFECTIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE DISCUSSION ON THREE PER YEAR.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD DISCUSSION ON PER TERM.
WE THOUGHT THREE PER YEAR WAS STILL PRETTY EXCESSIVE.
UH, BUT IF YOU GUYS AGREE WITH FOUR, THE THING WE WERE WANTING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT CONSECUTIVE, BECAUSE THEN YOU GET THE GAMES PLAYING.
UM, I'M GONNA BE ABSENT TODAY.
I'M GONNA, YOU COULD BE ABSENT NEXT WEEK.
THAT WAY NOBODY EVER HAS THREE IN A ROW.
UM, SO IT KIND OF TAKES THAT GAME PLAYING THAT WENT ON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OUT OF THE PLAYBOOK, UM, WHEN THEY SHOULD BE HERE DOING THEIR JOB FOR THE CITIZENS DO.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS, UH, HOW THE CHANGES WOULD BE PERCEIVED BY THE PUBLIC.
AND WE WOULD, WE NOT THAT THE DISCUSSION OF CHANGING IT FROM THREE TO FOUR IS, IS, UM, WRONG OR ANYTHING, BUT EACH ISSUE YOU HAVE, IT'S JUST ONE MORE THING THAT, UM, THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE RATIONALE, GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND SUPPORT OR, OR MAYBE NOT SUPPORT, BUT TO TR TRULY UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESSES BEHIND IT.
AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP, UM, OUR CHANGES CONCISE AND, AND EASY FOR THE VOTER TO UNDERSTAND.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE, THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT WENT ON TO GET THERE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR HANDS, MS. KITCHEN, SO YOU GUYS CAN YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN ONE A YEAR.
I MEAN, AND I MEAN, I KNOW PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE SENDING AN EMAIL GOING, HEY GUYS, I'M GONNA BE ON VACATION DURING THIS TIME.
PLEASE EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD DO A PRR AND KNOW MY HOUSE IS VACANT.
SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE TRUST THINGS AMONGST US.
AND I WAS LIKE, WOW, IF WE GO GETTING THAT WAY, THAT'S NOT, EVEN IF YOU TAKE A VACATION AND IT'S NOT COMMUNICATED, THAT COULD OUST YOU OUT AND YOU'RE JUST TAKING A DAY OFF ONCE A YEAR.
BUT WE DON'T SAY WHEN WE GO ON VACATION, WE JUST TELL TONY THAT WE NEED TO BE EXCUSED.
AND UNLESS THERE'S SOME REASON HERE THAT WE FEEL WE SHOULDN'T EXCUSE YOU.
AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S VERY FEW INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE IS NOT EXCUSED.
AND WE JUST SAY THE PERSON'S UNAVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
SO I JUST THOUGHT, UH, AN AVERAGE OF ONE A YEAR WOULD BE, I THINK NICE, BUT VERY VALID.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
I KNOW IT WAS NOT AN EASY TASK.
UM, THAT PROVISION ESPECIALLY, I LIKE THAT ONE.
BUT, UH, THE ONE ABOUT THE, THE THREE ABSENCES, AND I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT IN THE CITY CHARTER AS IT WAS FROM AN ACCOUNTABILITY STANDPOINT, I THOUGHT CONSECUTIVE WAS A LITTLE LENIENT.
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MM-HMM.UM, I THINK WE, THE VOTERS PUT US UP HERE FOR A REASON.
AND IF WE HAVE REASON NOT TO BE HERE, WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE THAT.
AND, UM, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, IF, IF THE HOUSE IS BURNING DOWN OR WHATEVER THE ANALOGY WAS USED EARLIER, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYBODY GONNA, ANYONE HERE IS GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PERSON BEING EXCUSED.
THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON OR ANOTHER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE GROWN.
AND IF NOT, THEN I'M SURE THERE'S SOME PROVISIONS IN, IN THERE THAT THAT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AFTER THAT ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD FOR THE NEXT ABSENCE.
YES, BRIAN? UH, I'LL BE REAL QUICK.
I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING TO MATT, SO, UM, EVERYBODY PRE
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU DID, MATT, BUT THANKS EVERYBODY ELSE FOR THE WORK.
HOW'S THAT? UM, I, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE, COUPLE THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PAST FEW YEARS THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
I DON'T GET ANY OF THAT FROM THESE GUYS.
I, I THINK WE'RE A PRETTY GOOD TEAM.
SO I'LL, I GUESS I'LL THANK EVERYBODY, THANKS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALL THE WORK AND THANK YOU FOLKS FOR ALL THE WORK.
NOT TOO MUCH IN DEFENSE OF SIR, BUT TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ON YOUR MIC.
YOU'RE IN A VERY TIGHT SHIP, MATT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S EVIDENT BY THE FACT THAT WE GOT THROUGH THE ENTIRE CHARTER.
UH, I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WHEN WE LOOKED UP AND SAW THAT WE WERE AT THE LAST SECTION OF THE CHARTER.
UM, YOU AND THE, UH, YOUR VICE CHAIR, UH, DID A PHENOMENAL JOB IN KEEPING THE MEETINGS ON TRACK.
UM, THE FOLLOW UP WAS EXCELLENT.
AND I WANNA ASSURE THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING AT HOME, THOSE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT, UM, THAT THE COMMITTEE REALLY DID DEEP DIVE INTO EVERY ONE OF THE, UM, POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BEFORE US.
I SAID IT DURING THE MEETINGS, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN TONIGHT.
I'M RELUCTANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGE TO THE CHARTER BECAUSE I THINK A CHARTER CHANGE HAS TO HAVE TRUE SIGNIFICANCE.
IT, IT HAS TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND AGAIN, AS MATT STATED, THE PUBLIC HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHARTER CHANGES ARE FOR.
UH, I SAW A POST RECENTLY THAT TALKED ABOUT THE MISINFORMATION THAT GETS PUT OUT.
BUT, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE'S WORK ISN'T DONE YET.
UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, I GIVE MATT, UH, ANGELA, UH, THE REST OF MY TEAM THERE.
UH, YOU GUYS, YOU DID A GREAT JOB IN KEEPING EVERYTHING ON TRACK AND, UM, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE FOCUSED ON CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO KEEP OUR CHARTER RELEVANT.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, CHRIS, UH, YOU WERE, UM, INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THESE.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD BEFORE WE WRAP THIS UP? UH, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THE PROCESS WAS THOROUGH.
EACH CHARTER, UH, SECTION WAS REVIEWED INDEPENDENTLY.
UM, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CHANGES THAT, THAT, UH, PERSPECTIVE CHANGES THAT WEREN'T MADE.
AND I WILL BRING UP THE IDEA OF VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
UM, AND, UH, THERE WAS A, A LIVELY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND IN MY MIND, FROM A LAW DIRECTOR'S PERSPECTIVE, I, I THINK THAT THIS COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BENEFIT FROM VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
UM, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A, AN ENGAGED CITIZENRY.
UM, I'VE WATCHED FIRSTHAND AS THE NEW LAW DIRECTOR HERE, THAT THE IN-PERSON DIALOGUE WITH CITIZENS HAS ACTUALLY LED TO, TO REAL MOVEMENT DISCUSSIONS OF COMPROMISE.
THAT THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN ALL THOSE VIRTUAL MEETINGS DURING COVID, THE THE RESULT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME.
UM, AND SO, UH, WITH THAT TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE LAW DIRECTOR.
I WOULD'VE, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT IT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WAS THOROUGHLY VETTED.
UM, AND I THINK AS IT RELATES TO THE MAYOR VETO POWER, THAT IS A REALLY ODD, UH, UH, CHARTER PROVISION.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BRING AN ALIGNMENT WITH, UH, UH, UH, COMMON PRACTICE FOR ALL I, WHAT I THINK ARE THE OBVIOUS REASONS.
UH, THE FINAL THING THAT I'LL SAY IS, IS THAT, UM, REALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, IT IS YOUR CONSTITUTION.
IT IS THE, THIS VERSION OF YOU GOT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE OHIO CONSTITUTION, AND THIS IS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.
AND CHARTER AMENDMENTS MUST BE DONE, UH, IN A VERY, UH, UH, UH, I'LL SAY LIMITED WAY AND FOR JUST FOR CLEAR PURPOSE.
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HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, SOME CHALLENGES WITH, UH, UH, SOME HISTORICAL INTERACTIONS WITH COUNSEL.I THINK THAT THE DECISION TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, THEY'RE LEGAL AND, UH, AND, UH, I SEE NO REASON, UM, NOT TO PUT THOSE ON THE BALLOT AND LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE, UH, DECIDE AS THE PROCESS REQUIRES.
SO, ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE WOULD BE ON THE BALLOT AS NUMBER ONE AND STANDALONE, OR ALL THE CHANGES STAND TOGETHER AS YES, WE'RE GONNA ADOPT 'EM OR NO, WE'RE GONNA, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT FOR THE CITIZENS? WELL, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE LEGISLATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, I THINK THERE'S A STARTING PLACE, AND THAT IS TO PROVIDE THE LAW DIRECTORS OFFICE WITH THE DIRECTION OF HOW YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THE CHARTER PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS.
AT THAT POINT, EACH PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT BECOMES AN INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD THEN GO TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.
UH, AND, AND TONY, THAT'S MY PAST PRACTICE, OR MY RECOLLECTION, I HOPE I'M SAYING IT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE.
EXCEPT FOR THE NUMBER OF ORDINANCES THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE IN ONE ORDINANCE.
BUT SEPARATE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, YOU CAN SPECIFY HOW THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN.
AND I, I, WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS.
UM, BUT THE, I THINK IT REALLY THEN IS UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
AND IT IS A VERY COMMON PRACTICE.
CERTAINLY, UH, IF A DECISION IS MADE TO PUT A CHARTER AMENDMENT, UH, BEFORE THE CITIZENS TO VOTE ON, UM, THERE'S A RECOGNITION THAT SOME CHARTER REMS ARE LIKELY TO BE, I'LL USE THE WORD CONTROVERSIAL.
UH, AND, UH, IF YOU, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD BEST PRACTICE TO ISOLATE THOSE.
UM, AND I THINK IN THE LAST TIME YOU HAD CHARTER REVIEW AND, UM, VOTING, UH, YOU DID, UH, YOU DID BUNDLE THEM FOR JUST THAT REASON.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE.
DID DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF EACH ONE, EACH CHAPTER BE A BALLOT ISSUE OR ALL, ALL THE CHAPTERS WOULD BE BUNDLED TOGETHER.
IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE CHAPTER IF IT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CONNECTION IS, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOT OHIO LAW CHANGE AS IT RELATES TO HOW WE GIVE NOTICE.
UH, I'LL SAY THIS, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THIS INTUITIVELY, UH, 'CAUSE HOPEFULLY I DON'T THINK ABOUT IT TOO MUCH.
BUT THE LAW IS A REACTIVE FOUNDATION OF SOCIETY.
AND, UH, THE LAW IS SLOW TO GET INTO THE 21ST CENTURY.
WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THE OLD IDEA OF, I MEAN, WHO STILL READS NEW NEWSPAPER NOTICES ABOUT PUBLIC THINGS? I MEAN, ALMOST NOBODY, UH, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DO HISTORICALLY HAVE DONE IT IS JUST INHABIT.
UH, SO BRINGING THINGS INTO THE 21ST CENTURY IS ALSO A PART OF THAT AS WELL.
SO THEY MAY NOT BE BUNDLED BY CHAPTER.
I JUST, JUST WONDERING FOR THE PUBLIC.
SAME OBJECTIONS TO BRINGING THIS BACK TO, UH, THE NEXT COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
SO JUST EVERYONE KEEP IN MIND BY DOING IT THAT WAY, WHEN WE DO GET TO THE FINAL COUNCIL MEETING FOR JULY TO MOVE ANYTHING FORWARD, TO GO ONTO THE BALLOT FOR THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AS WAIVING SECOND READING AND PASSING AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION SINCE THESE ARE ORDINANCES.
SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ACTUAL PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
ANY OBJECTIONS? SO MAYOR, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE TWO READINGS.
WE, THE, THE SECOND READING WOULD BE WAIVED AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING OF JULY.
SO WE COULD BRING IT BACK FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
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C, WHICH IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD UPDATE.SO, UH, BACK BEFORE US AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, ALEX BLACK, UH, TO MAKE THE UPDATE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
AND TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNSELOR, UH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'M ALEXANDER ALEX BLACK FOR MY FRIENDS, UH, CHAIR OF THE BOARD.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WAS GOING TO UPDATE YOU ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD STARTED HERE.
AND WE DISCUSSED BACK IN THE SPRING, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BOARD ACTIVITIES AND THE MEMBERS UPDATE BECAUSE THAT BECAME AN ISSUE.
DONE THIS, UH, THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UH, WE HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THE PARK MANAGER.
WE ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE STARTED TRACKING, UH, THE, UH, Y UTILIZATION, PRIMARILY THE KIDS, EVEN THOUGH THEIR Y IS NOT CONSIDERED PART OF THE PARK AND RECREATION, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS START WANTING, YOU KNOW, ARE WE HAVING MORE KIDS PLAYING SOFTBALL OR VOLLEYBALL? SO BY TRACKING THAT, WE CAN GET A INPUT AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN DON SHOULD AT THE WIRE, THERE ARE ALWAYS KIDS THERE.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THOSE KIDS ARE THERE FOR.
ARE THEY THERE TO PLAY VOLLEYBALL OR DID THEY SWIM? WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT NOW WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT'S GOING ON
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AT THE WIRE.UH, WE HAVE SOME ACTIVITIES THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE REST OF 2024 AND WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
WE ALSO GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR 2025 THROUGH 2029.
THESE ARE INPUTS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO US BY THE PARK MANAGER AND THE BOARD IS GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE AND RECOGNIZE, RECONCILE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THERE.
ADVISORY BOARD AND PARK MANAGER INPUTS, AND THEN THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP.
UH, GOOD NEWS, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE UP AND RUNNING AND
NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
UM, AND UH, WE HAD A TOURNAMENT DOWN THERE 1ST OF JUNE.
I THINK IT WAS JUNE THE EIGHTH I THINK, TO BE EXACT.
COUNCILOR WOMAN BAKER SHOWED UP BECAUSE HER PAULA, BUT SHE DIDN'T PLAY, UM, JUST, JUST RIGHT.
BUT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS ON THE COURT.
THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY WELL DONE AND UM, YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO SATISFY EVERYONE COMPLETELY.
THERE WERE A FEW MINOR ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO CORRECT OR WE TRY TO CORRECT.
AND MOST OF THOSE CAN BE DONE IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, I'M SORRY.
UH, SARAH HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC WORK DEPARTMENT.
SO SOME OF THOSE JUST MEAN TO FIND THE TIME FOR THEM TO GO OVER THERE AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE ISSUES.
UH, WHAT SARAH WAS TRYING TO DO THERE WAS TO CATEGORIZE THE, THE PARKS INTO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY PARKS.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH OF THE PARKS HAD SIMILAR EQUIPMENT.
NOT THE SAME EQUIPMENT, BUT SIMILAR EQUIPMENT.
SO YOU SAY YOU GO INTO A COMMUNITY PARK, EVERYONE KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO AT THAT PARTICULAR PARK.
WE'VE IDENTI, SHE HAS IDENTIFIED THE EQUIPMENT AND SHE'S BRINGING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND WE CAN GIVE HER OUR INPUTS ON THAT.
AND FOR THE REMAINING OF THE YEAR, UM, THE ACTIVITY THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE WORKING ON, AS I SAID EARLIER, REVIEWING HER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SUGGESTIONS FOR 25 THROUGH 29.
NOW, THE REASON WE WANT TO DO THAT WAS BECAUSE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE THIS YEAR, WE THINK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN PUSHED BACK A YEAR OR TWO.
AND WE DON'T WANT THOSE TO GO SUFFER OFF THE CHART THAT WE FORGET ABOUT IT AND LOSE OUR MOMENTUM OF TRYING TO GET THOSE DONE.
SO AT OUR MEETING THIS MONTH, OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE WOULD BE TO LOOK AT THE, UH, SUGGESTIONS SHE GAVE US FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND SEE IF WE THINK THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
WE DON'T QUESTION A LOT ABOUT THE QUOTES AND SO FORTH BECAUSE THAT'S HER JOB, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET THERE.
BUT IF THEY ARE IN THE WRONG ORDER, WE THINK WE WOULD WANT TO BRING IT UP AND CALL SUGGESTED WHAT WE THINK GONNA BE DONE.
AND ALSO, UH, WE WERE GOING TO BE WORKING AGAIN WITH THE, WELL, SHE WAS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US ON THIS, THE ANNUAL TRUNK OR TREAT AT THE YMCA.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN OCTOBER.
WE SAW THIS PICKLEBALL COURSE.
NOW THE REMAINING ACTIVITIES WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, THE FARMER'S MARKET IS STILL GOING TO BE GOING ON FOR MAY THROUGH OCTOBER.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE MONTHS LEFT ON THAT.
WE HAVE A STRONG KID TRIATHLON AND THAT'S HELD AT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND THAT'LL BE AUGUST 3RD.
UH, AND LAST YEAR, UH, THAT EVENT HOSTED OVER 300 KIDS.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO LET THAT FALL THROUGH THE CRACK AGAIN.
WE ALSO SCHEDULED ANOTHER PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT IN SEPTEMBER.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT FORMAT BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF EXPERTS AND PROS CAME UP TO US DURING THE LAST ONE AND THEY WANTED TO DO ONE IN JUNE, I MEAN JULY.
BUT AFTER DISCUSSING WITH CHRIS AT THE YMCA THERE, I THINK THEY WERE GOT A LITTLE HESITANT BECAUSE THEY SAID, CAN WE DO ANOTHER ONE IN THAT SHORTER TIME SPAN? SO HE SORT OF BACKED OFF.
BUT WE DO HAVE ONE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON FOR THE UH, UH, SEPTEMBER EP 19TH THROUGH THE 22ND DIFFERENT FORMAT SO WE CAN ALLOW TEAMS TO PLAY VERSUS INDIVIDUALS.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BREAK THIS ONE UP BY AGE GROUP.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE SENIORS THAT THE KIDS ARE TAKING THE GAME THAT WE THOUGHT WAS OURS.
SO WE GONNA HAVE TO SEPARATE THE GROUP THERE BECAUSE WE HIT ALL THE TIME AT THE WIDER, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS COME IN HERE AND TAKE IT OVER AND WE TRYING TO BREAK IT UP.
SO WE GONNA REFORMAT THAT ONE IN SEPTEMBER, BUT WE WILL DO THE KING AND QUEEN OF COURT EVERY YEAR IN JUNE BECAUSE I GOT NOTHING BUT COMPLIMENTS ON.
I WAS TOTALLY SURPRISED TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH OF HOW WELL IT WENT.
UM, THE SUMMER MUSIC FEST, WE HAVE FOUR EVENTS
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STILL REMAINING.THERE WERE SIX SCHEDULED AND AS OF TODAY, I THINK THERE ARE FOUR THAT ARE STILL TO BE DONE.
UH, THE AQUATIC CENTER, A LITTLE INPUT THERE.
UH, CHRIS INDICATED THAT WE HAD 358 UNITS THAT, UH, LIKE A FAMILY PASS WITH TWO, THE FAMILY OF THREE, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT HE SAID THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 1300 PEOPLE, 13, 20, 40 TO BE EXACT.
THAT WAS USING IT ON UH, SUMMER PASSES.
AND FROM OUR PARK MANAGER, UH, SHE HAD SCHEDULED A, UM, TREE GIVEAWAY.
I'M NOT SURE THIS WAS HER TEST CASE OR WHAT, BUT IT WENT VERY WELL BECAUSE SHE GAVE AWAY 108 TREES.
I WAS THERE HELPING EVERYTHING.
SO I THINK THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE, TRY TO DO THIS AS AN ANNUAL EVENT.
UM, AND I COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, IT WAS ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW SHE WANTED TO DO IT, BUT IT WENT VERY WELL.
AND THE PARKS THAT WE LOOKED AT TO UH, STANDARDIZE AND UH, CONFIGURE IT ARE SHOWN ON THE BOARD THAT SHHO GATE COMMUNITY, MIAMI VILLA, TWIN CREEKS, COTTONWOOD BELL PLAIN, AND GARY SHERMAN, THOSE ARE THE ONES WE CONSIDER TO BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY PARKS.
AND UM, I POINTED OUT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE UH, YMCA JOINT EVENT WITH THE PARK ANDRE BOARD, WHICH IS THE TRUNK OF CREEK, WHICH IS AROUND HALLOWEEN.
AND ALSO WE GONNA BE DOING ANOTHER EVENT, SIMILAR EVENT, THAT'S THE HALLOWEEN H EVENT, WHICH WILL BE AT CLOUD PARK.
NOW THE Y WE WOULD HOST THE, UH, TRUNK OR TREAT IN THE PARKING LOT THERE.
THE YMCA INPUTS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE WOULD INTERESTED IN SHOWED US THAT WE HAD DAY CAMP.
THEY HAVE 150 KIDS IN THE Y AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR 10 WEEKS.
AND I KNOW IT'S 150 OR MORE BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE HALLWAY, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT NAVIGATING THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THERE KIDS EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTHING BOUNCING AROUND, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
BUT, UH, THAT'S GOING VERY WELL.
NOW, THE PLEASANT PRIZE, I GUESS, FOR EVERYBODY WAS THE SWIM LESSON THAT HE HAD GIVEN OUT THIS YEAR.
I KNOW THE POOL SEEMED FULL, BUT THEY GAVE OUT OVER A THOUSAND SWIM LESSONS THERE AT THE Y THEY HAD 418 IN ROWS IN SOCCER DURING THE SPRING TERM BASEBALL, 184 VOLLEYBALL WAS A SURPRISE.
THEY USED ON A SATURDAY AND I'M USING OUT THERE ON A SATURDAY.
SO I HAD NO IDEA THAT MANY KIDS WERE IN THOSE EVENTS THERE.
AND BASKETBALL, OF COURSE THERE WAS 625.
AND A QUICK SUMMARY HERE, THE BOARD INPUTS ON THAT ARB DAY AND, UH, EARTH DAY, ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE HOPING THIS WILL BECOME AN END EVENT.
AND UM, WE ALSO NEED TO SET UP A TIME TO START PLANNING FOR THE PARK CLEANUP IN 2025.
USUALLY IT IN APRIL, BUT WE NEED TO GET EXACT DATES AND EVERYTHING HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
AND OTHER ISSUE FOR THE BOARD WAS WE HAD TO CANCEL TWO MEETINGS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUALM.
WE END UP WITH SIX MEMBERS AFTER RESIGNATIONS.
AND IF YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO ISSUES YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING THERE DON'T SHOW UP, THEN WE SIT HERE FOR 15 MINUTES AND THEN WE DECIDE TO GO HOME.
SO ALMOST A WASTED MEETING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
NOW THE GOOD NEWS ON THAT THOUGH, TWO OF OH THREE VACANCY HAVE BEEN FILLED.
SO WE ARE NOT BACK THROUGH A HUNDRED PERCENT YET, BUT WE HAVE ONE SPOT THAT'S STILL AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE THE THIRD ONE ON THE WAY.
UM, NOW WE HAD DISCUSSED ALSO THE HONORARY MEMBERSHIP, WHICH WOULD BE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, FURTHER SENIORS THAT WE COULD USE, UH, ON THE BOARD THERE JUST TO HAVE THEM INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND SINCE HUBER HEIGHTS COVERED TWO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WE THOUGHT WE NEED TO HAVE TWO SLOTS.
ONE FOR WAYNE AND ONE FOR BEA.
I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE TOSSED THAT AROUND AND SO EVERYBODY SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO.
NOW THE QUESTION WE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK IS, UH, WHO MAKES THE CHOICE IS DO THEY INTERVIEW AND WE THE BOARD PICKS THEM OR DO WE HAVE THE SCHOOL ADVISOR OR SOMEONE TO PICK THEM? WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST DO THAT.
AND I BE, WE WANT TO GET IT DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS IN SEPTEMBER.
AND REVIEWING AND PRIORITIZING AND CARE IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
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AND THE LAST CHART THERE SHOULD UPDATE YOU ON WHO THOSE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AND WE HAVE THAT ONE VACANT DOWN THERE.AND, UM, THE TWO NEW MEMBERS ARE RICHARD MOORE AND CASEY TAYLOR
AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR ME BEFORE I SIT? I'M SORRY, NANCY.
UM, ON THE, THE Y TRUNK OR TREAT, RIGHT, ARE THEY GOING TO DO THE COSTUME CONTEST AGAIN THIS YEAR? OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE THE TRUNK OR TREAT? WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST THE IDEA.
THE KIDS COULD WEAR COSTUMES, I THINK.
BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS MAINLY SET UP TO BE WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE CANDY IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR AND THEY WENT AROUND THE PARKING LOT I THOUGHT PICKED THAT UP.
WELL YEAH, BUT WE ALSO HAD A COSTUME JUDGING CONTEST THAT WENT ON INSIDE THE Y THAT WENT ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND IT WAS, UH, IT WAS REALLY CUTE THE WAY IT WAS DONE, BUT I, I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO, TO AT LEAST LET PEOPLE KNOW IF WE ARE OR NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE KIDS COMING UP AND, AND SHOWING OFF THEIR CREATIVITY WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR COSTUMES.
WELL I WOULD BRING THAT UP AT THE MEETING ALSO AND GET CLARIFICATION FROM CHRIS AND THEY WERE GOING HOW THEY WANT TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE HE'S BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH THAT HE'S, HE'S, UH, BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT TRACKING THE ACTIVITY OF THE CHILDREN AT THE Y RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT TRACKING THE ACTIVITIES OF THE SENIORS? WELL, WE DO TRY TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.
UM, ONE THING THAT UH, WAS GIVEN TO ME WAS THAT, UM, WE HAD, I THOUGHT FOUR ABOUT 3,400 A OA MEMBERS.
NOW A OA MEANING ACTIVE OLDER ADULTS.
WHAT IT MEANS A NICE WAY OF SAYING SENIORS
THEY DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS ANYONE OF THOSE OLD FOLKS.
BUT ANYWAY,
AND I, IT'S QUITE A FEW BECAUSE I JUST PICKLEBALL PLAYERS IN THE VOLLEYBALL.
BUT THE SILVER STINKERS CLASS AND YOU GOT ALL THE OTHER ZOOMERS THAT MOSTLY ARE SENIORS AND MATURE PEOPLE, UH, OLDER ADULTS AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UH, THERE'S QUITE A FEW MEMBERS THAT GO THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT, BUT I WILL, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ME TRYING TO TRACK THAT, HOW MANY ARE ACTIVE? WE CAN PROBABLY SEE IF CHRIS COULD GET US THAT INFORMATION.
WELL HE, YEAH, HE HAD TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION HANDY, UH, TO HIM.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE GRANT, UH, TO HELP PEOPLE THAT, UH, DON'T HAVE SILVER SNEAKERS IN THEIR HEALTH PLAN.
UH, TO, UH, PROVIDE KIND OF A SCHOLARSHIP AND I GUESS THE INFORMATION WON'T GO OUT ON THE SENIOR NEWSLETTER UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
UM, TO TRY TO ENLIST PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THERE WAS A SECOND PROGRAM SOMEONE MENTIONED TO ME THAT IT'S, UH, ANOTHER HEALTH PROGRAM THAT THE, UH, UM, THAT THE Y ACCEPTS, BUT I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE NAME OF IT WAS.
SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF MAYBE THERE IS A SECOND PROGRAM THAT ACTS LIKE SILVER SEEKERS THAT MAYBE THE SENIORS DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS, UM, ARE WE, UH, LOOKING AT DOING ANY ACTIVITIES THAT APPEAL TO LIKE PRE-TEENS THAT AGE GROUPS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE LEFT OUT OF A LOT OF ACTIVITIES.
I KNOW THAT, THAT THEY ARE USING OUR SKATE PARK, WHICH IS WONDERFUL, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN, THEN THEY'LL PLAY BASKETBALL AND IN THE PARKS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S UH, ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO AS WE SET UP OTHER ACTIVITIES, UH, TO ADDRESSING THAT POPULATION.
WELL THERE IS, AND I WAS GIVE YOU IF WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM, THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, UH, CHRIS HALL, UM, HE WAS, UM, TRYING TO GET A PROGRAM AND I HATE TO TRY AND QUOTE THE NAME 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WAS FORMATTED SIMILAR TO THE, UH, THE ONE THEY HAVE IN KERRY TRENT ARENA THERE, UH, FLYING TO THE HOOP OR SOMETHING.
HE WAS SET UP TO TRY AND WORK BETWEEN HOOPER HEIGHTS AND VANDALIA.
HE WAS WORKING THAT PROGRAM THERE TO GET ACTIVITIES BEING PLAYED IN HU IN VANDALIA BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIND A LOCATION IN HUBERT THAT WAS AVAILABLE AND BIG ENOUGH TO HOST IT.
SO HE WAS TRYING TO DO IT IN VANDALIA WITH BETWEEN THE TWO COMMUNITIES.
SO YEAH, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, TO SAY WHERE IT
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IS AND I DON'T WANT TO START PUTTING HIM ON THE SPOT, THROWING HIM OUT THERE.IS THERE A SPOT, IS THERE ROOM IN THE, UH, SKATE PARK THAT WOULD FACILITATE ADDING THAT TO IT? OR DO WE HAVE FUTURE PLANS FOR THE SKATE PARK? UM, SO THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM IS OVER FOR THE YEAR.
UM, THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH REGISTRATION.
IT WAS GONNA BE HELD IN VALIA.
UM, BUT TO SPEAK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT PRE-TEEN PROGRAMMING, THE GAME TRUCK WILL COME OUT AGAIN, UM, AND THIS TIME VISIT THE SKATE PARK.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE A GOOD LIFT.
UM, SECONDARILY, UM, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ISN'T EXACTLY POISED TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ENTERED INTO THE YEAR HOPING TO HIRE SOME SEASONAL EMPLOYEES AND, UM, WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN FILLING THE PROGRAMMATIC ROLES.
UM, SO A LARGE PORTION OF PLANNED PROGRAMMING IS HAVING TO TAKE A BACK SEAT.
BUT I'M OPTIMISTIC FOR THE FUTURE, UM, ON WHAT WE CAN DO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN PRE-TEENS ARE OF COURSE ALWAYS A DIFFICULT, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC TO HIT.
'CAUSE YOU KINDA HAVE TO TUNE IN TO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.
UM, SO I AM REALLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THE GAME TRUCK, VISITING THE SKATE PARK IN THE COMING MONTHS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT FOR OUR SEPTEMBER MOVIE NIGHT TOO, WHICH IS MARIO IN THE PARK.
SO IT KIND OF, UM, PLAYS INTO THAT THEME.
AND I CAN CERTAINLY KEEP THAT AGE GROUP AT THE FOREFRONT OF FUTURE PROGRAMMING.
I UNDERSTAND KIDS LIKE GAMING.
BUT WE LIKE 'EM TO GET OUTSIDE AND WELL, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT A GAME TRUCK TO THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH PRE-TEENS AND TEENS EVERY DAY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS A STRUGGLE.
DON, I'LL COME BACK TO SCOTT AND TO YOU.
HEY, HOW YOU DOING?
UM, YOU GUYS ARE FIRING ON ALL, ALL SAUNDERS.
I I REALLY FEEL THAT, UM, IF WE SEE THINGS HAPPENING WITH PARKS AND REC THAT, UH, UM, AT, AT A RATE WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE, UH, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I LOVE THE IDEA OF BRINGING ON, UH, STUDENT HONORARY POSITIONS ON THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.
AND, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A COUNCIL, I, I DO THINK OUR CURRENT PROCESS WOULD ALLOW, UH, FOR THEM TO APPLY AS ANY, UM, APPLICANT TO A BOARD OF COMMISSION WOULD.
AND, BUT GETTING OUT AND PROMOTING THAT IN THE SCHOOLS, HAVING THE SCHOOLS PROMOTE, UH, THE IDEA AND HAVING THOSE STUDENTS APPLY FOR THOSE POSITIONS OKAY.
AND THEN BRINGING THEM ON BOARD AS, UH, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T START TOO EARLY.
SO I, I THINK IT'S REALLY A GOOD THING TO GET THAT KIND OF VOLUNTEER ATTITUDE GOING, UH, WITHIN BOTH SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
WELL, THANK FOR THE SUGGESTION AND HINT THERE.
AND ALSO I'LL PASS THE COMPLIMENTS ON TO THE OTHER NINE MEMBERS.
HOW YOU DOING FOR THE PRESENTATION? THIS MIGHT BE FOR SARAH.
UH, DID YOU EVER CHECK INTO ABOUT THE LIGHTS BEING STOLEN AT DIAL PARK PAVILION? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT YET? UM, I, WE DID NOT INSTALL ANY LIGHTS AT THE DIAL PARK.
DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT RUMOR COME UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THERE'S SOME CHATTER ON FACEBOOK ABOUT IT OR, UM, BUT I AM LOOKING INTO LIGHT SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE PARK CLOSES AT DARK.
SO PUTTING OUT LIGHTS THAT ENABLE THE USE OF THE FEATURES IS KIND OF DEFEATING THE PURPOSE.
BUT, UM, FROM A STANDPOINT THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE IN THE GAZEBO AND MAYBE, UM, PASSERSBY WANT TO NOT BE STARTLED OR SOMETHING, UM, I COULD SEE A NEED FOR THAT.
SO I'M GONNA LOOK INTO SOME LONG-TERM LIGHTING SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.
THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I LIVED JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM DO PARK AND EVERYTHING AND I SAID I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANY OF THE LIGHTS THERE, SO I'M GLAD TO SAY CLARIFIED THAT
AND YOU DIDN'T, WE'LL GO TO MARK.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER ON FACEBOOK.
NOTHING FANCY, NOTHING ANYTHING.
BUT YOUNG PARENTS ARE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OVER IN OUR AREA TO WALK TO.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OF THE FUTURE.
A WHEELCHAIR, YOU KNOW, SWING.
MAYBE AN INFANT SWING AND A COUPLE OTHER REGULAR SWINGS AND A SLIDE OR TWO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT
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I KNOW THERE WAS CITIZENS SAYING THEY DIDN'T WANT STUFF THERE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER GOING ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GAZEBO GOT PUT IN GOING, WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR OUR YOUNG KIDS TO PLAY ON THAT WE CAN JUST WALK TO? SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE OPIOID FUNDS.
THEY WERE USING PART OF 'EM THROUGH THE Y FOR PROGRAMMING FOR AT RISK KIDS.
WHAT WAS, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? THAT PROBABLY, THAT DISCUSSION PROBABLY PREDATES MOST OF OUR RIGHT.
THAT'S EXECUTIVE TEAM RIGHT NOW,
SO I THINK WE CAN JUST HAVE, HAVE JOHN LOOK INTO THAT.
I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT.
AND, UM, ANOTHER THING IS, SARAH, I TALKED TO SOME OF THE TROOPS FROM GIRL SCOUTS, UM, THAT DO USE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF CLEANING UP PARKS TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA INVOLVE THEM WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARK CLEANUP DAY IN APRIL.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN, UM, HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL AS I DON'T, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO BOY SCOUTS 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN EMPLOYEE INVOLVEMENT THERE, BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD GROUP TO REACH OUT TO.
BUT THE GIRL SCOUTS, I TALKED TO TWO TROOPS SO FAR THAT DO USE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THEY LOVE THE IDEA.
MAYOR, I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT DON WEBB INDICATED AS IT RELATES TO THE ENERGY FROM THE PARK BOARD.
IT JUMPS, JUMPS RIGHT OUT AT YOU.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT PART OF THIS ENERGY IS COMING FROM THE FACT THAT WE'VE EMPLOYED SARAH.
I I'M HEARING THAT FROM STAFF OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER OFFICIALS.
YOU KNOW, THE BUZZ THAT'S BECOMING IS, IS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SEEN THE WHOLE TIME I'VE SET HERE, BUT THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE, THOROUGH REPORTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM A COMMITTEE THE WHOLE TIME I'VE SAT HERE.
AND I CALL YOU ALEX BECAUSE YOU'RE MY FRIEND.
UM, TO GET A PRESENTATION OF THIS QUALITY, YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PAID STAFF MEMBER.
WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO LEAD THE BOARD ALONG WITH ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD IS OUTSTANDING.
AND I'M SURE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD APPRECIATE THOSE COMPLIMENTS TOO.
YOU ALL OF, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I LOVE GOING TO THE PICKLEBALL THING.
IF I HADN'T JUST GOTTEN OFF BY WALKER, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE PLAYED, BUT, UM, MY ONLY COMMENT I LOVED EVERY AND ONE, WELL, YEAH, I PROBABLY WOULD WIPE THE FLOOR WITH ALL OF THEM IF I, IF I COULD RUN, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER COMMENT.
BUT ANYWAY, MY ONLY COMMENT, I LOVE THE IDEA OF INVOL INVOLVING THE HIGH SCHOOLS.
COULD WE HAVE A BOY AND A GIRL FROM EACH SCHOOL? BECAUSE EACH ONE'S GONNA BRING DIFFERENT LENSES IF THERE'S THAT MUCH.
IF, IF A BOY AND A GIRL BOTH APPLY FROM ONE EACH SCHOOL, YES, THAT WOULD BE MY VOTE.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY OWN OPINION BECAUSE A GIRL'S GONNA BRING DIFFERENT LENSES IN SPORTS, RIGHT.
THAN A, THAN A MALE STUDENT WOULD.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH BOY.
BUT I'M JUST, THAT'S MY ONLY'S HOW WE WOULD ARRANGE THAT BECAUSE THEY WILL JUST BE HERE MAIN, LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON CERTAIN ISSUES.
WE COME UP WITH NO VOTING RIGHTS OR ANYTHING.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT LIKE, IF, IF HONESTLY, IF THREE WANTED, LIKE, LIKE HEARING WHAT THE STUDENTS WANT, RIGHT.
LIKE I, THAT'S WHERE I, I WOULD LINDA A YES TO THAT IF FROM THIS SEAT, BUT I WOULD, BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY BRING THAT UP WHEN WE MEET, UH, ON THE, ON THE WELL NEXT WEEK.
I THINK SO IF I REMEMBER RIGHT WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE HIGH SCHOOL LIAISONS, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WHERE WE COULD DO TWO FROM EACH SCHOOL AND THEN HAVE THEM ROTATE, KINDA ROTATE MEETINGS.
SO WHERE IT WOULD END UP TECHNICALLY BEING EACH ONE WOULD SERVE SIX MONTHS.
IF THEY CAME ONE IN JANUARY, THE OTHER ONE IN, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM BOTH DIFFERENT SCHOOLS.
SO I THINK IT, I THINK A GOOD WAY FORWARD WOULD BE TO HAVE THOSE STUDENTS HAVE AN ADVERTISED AND TALKED ABOUT WITHIN, WITHIN THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THEN HAVE THOSE STUDENTS APPLY, HAVE TEACHERS, INSTRUCTORS THERE, RECOMMEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THOSE STUDENTS TO THE BOARD.
THEN THE BOARD COULD INTERVIEW THEM AND PICK FROM THE ONES, UH, TO BE ON THE BOARD THAT THE SCHOOL KIND OF PUT FORWARD.
SO GOING THROUGH, GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, SO THAT WAY THE, THAT WAY THE, THE FACULTY AT THE SCHOOLS ARE ALSO INVOLVED, UH, IN SELECTING THOSE STUDENTS AND THEY'RE GONNA KNOW WHICH STUDENTS WHO ARE REALLY GONNA BE ACTIVE AND WANNA PARTICIPATE AND BE INVOLVED.
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THEN YOU'VE REALLY GOT KIND OF THE CREAM OF THE CROP THAT'S ACTUALLY COMING TO THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE INTERVIEWS TO, TO BE ON THERE.LOTS OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IS ALWAYS GOOD.
AND IF IT IS, IF IT IS MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FOUR PEOPLE, TWO FROM EACH SCHOOL, SO WE HAVE TWO FEMALES, TWO MALES.
AGAIN, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF ROTATING WHICH MEETINGS THEY'RE COMING TO, BUT THEIR OPINIONS, THEIR PERSPECTIVES, UH, ARE STILL BEING BROUGHT FORTH TO THE BOARD TO TO, TO UNDERSTAND AND WORK THROUGH.
SO I THINK AS WE'RE DESIGNING THIS, WE CAN REALLY MAKE IT WHATEVER WE WANT TO MAKE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.
AND WE COULD TIE THAT TO COMMUNITY SERVICE.
AND THERE'S YEAH, LOTS OF DIFFERENT LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE BUYIN FROM THE, FROM THE SCHOOLS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP THERE THAT ARE, ARE RESIDENTS.
THEY, THEY GO TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS RESIDENTS, BUT ABSOLUTELY THEIR, THEIR STUDENTS AND THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN NEED TO BE INVOLVED JUST LIKE ANYONE, ANYONE IN THE, IN, IN THE WING DISTRICT.
WELL I WOULD PROPOSE THAT TO THE BOARD IN THAT FASHION.
AND WE ALLOW THE SCHOOL, WE ADVERTISE IT FOR THE SCHOOL, MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF IT.
AND IF THEY'RE AWARE OF IT, THEN THEY PICK THE TWO OR THREE THEY WANT TO HAVE US, UH, INTERVIEW AND WE PICK TWO FROM THE THREE.
THAT MEANS WE THROW JOHNNY OUT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T QUALIFY.
WOULD THAT BE A, A STIGMA OR NO? YOU MAY HAVE.
I MEAN, AND WE, WE WON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS WILL LOOK LIKE UNTIL THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOLS JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, FIVE FROM EACH FIVE FROM EACH EACH SCHOOL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, UH, THE ATHLETIC FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DO, WHEN THEY DO THE SCHOLARSHIP, THE HEART SCHOLARSHIP, YOU KNOW, THAT COMES OUT.
I MEAN, THERE ARE, UM, LOTS OF KIDS THAT INTERVIEW AND THEN THERE, THERE'S SPECIFIC PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT PICK THE WINNERS OF THOSE.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S IN A, AT A HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, UH, IF SOMEONE ISN'T, ISN'T PICKED, I THINK THERE, UM, MATURE ENOUGH TO, TO HANDLE THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THEY TRY OUT FOR, THEY MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY GET ON.
BUT I THINK IF, IF YOU, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO GET ENOUGH PEOPLE ACTIVE WHO WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OUT OF FIVE APPLICANTS, IF YOU PICK TWO FROM BETHEL AND YOU PICK TWO FROM OUT, THEY GOT GIVE YOU FIVE, TWO FROM, FROM, HE WRITES.
THAT'S, UM, I WOULD, THAT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING TO BE ASHAMED.
NEVER WORRIED ABOUT THE OUTCOME.
IF THE TWO PEOPLE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, REST SAME QUESTIONS, AND THE BOARD HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK.
WELL THANKS FOR THE INPUT THEN.
YES, I, DO YOU GUYS DO ANY NON NON-SPORT RECREATION? 'CAUSE RECREATION IS SUCH A BROAD SENSE THAT IT ENCOMPASSES A LOT OF STUFF.
AND I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF SPORTS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ARTISTIC FORMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT'S ALSO RECREATION FOR PEOPLE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND BEING A VOLUNTEER BOARD.
I'M NOT THROWING, TRYING TO THROW MORE ON YOU, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S NOT SPORTS RELATED.
WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SARAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THAT PRE-TEEN AND TEENAGERS, IF THEY ARE NOT RUNNING AND JUMPING SOMEHOW, IS IT GONNA BE HARD TO GET THEM TO FOCUS ON ANYTHING ELSE? THEY FIGURE THEY DO IT IN SCHOOL.
NOW WITH THE ACTIVE OLDER ADULTS, THERE ARE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO AT THE Y WE HAVE COMPETITION BETWEEN THE OTHER 13 YMC IN THE AREA FROM CHECKERS TO, UH, CHAR TOURNAMENTS, UH, ARTISTIC EVENTS, YOU KNOW, FOR FLAG DESIGN.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THOSE WHO ARE NOT PLAYING PICKLEBALL CAN GET INVOLVED IN.
BUT FOR THE YOUTH, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN THAT TIME.
AND ONE OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE Y TRYING TO TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN THAT CALENDAR AND SPACE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIND AN OPEN ROOM IN THAT Y BETWEEN NINE AND THREE WHERE YOU COULD DO ANYTHING WITH THE, WITH THE CHILDREN.
I WANT THEM POSSIBLY TO TRY AND SCHEDULE IT.
I THINK, I MEAN, ON THAT SIDE, THAT'S NON-SPORT.
WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT PARKS AND REC, I MEAN, I GET, FROM A RECREATION PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE GET ARTS AND COMMUNICATION COMMISSION INVOLVED IN TRYING TO FIND STUFF THAT, UM, TO DO OTHER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT DON'T DEAL WITH SPORTS.
I MEAN HAVING, UH, JUST AT LEAST PROPOSING TO 'EM TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS TO GET MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE ARTS OR OTHER CULTURAL STUFF.
AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, EVEN OUR LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO TRULY ENHANCE AND, AND BRING ABOUT MORE, UM, CULTURAL AWARENESS AND, AND ARTS WITHIN THE CITY.
AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT BOARD CAN, CAN GET ON BOARD WITH AS WELL AND, AND EVEN WORK TOGETHER WITH, WITH YOU GUYS TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DIFFERENT IDEAS MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP.
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WHICH IS, UH, THE TOM CLOUD PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SPLASH PAD AND SOLICITING BIDS.UM, SO THIS TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT THE LAST TIME THAT
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I, UM, CAME TO VISIT AT A COUNCIL WORK SESSION.UM, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME RENDERINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO KIND OF GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE OUT AT CLOUD PARK.
SO, UM, BRINGING UP THE TOPIC OF THE SPLASH PAD, WE DO OBVIOUSLY HAVE OPERATIONAL ISSUES WITH OUR SPLASH PAD, LARGELY DUE TO THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT REDOING THE SPLASH PAD, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE ACCOMPLISH SOME OTHER GOALS? AND WE THINK ABOUT REVITALIZING COMMU, UM, CLOUD PARK, I'M SORRY, AS A WHOLE, I DO HAVE, UM, ONE INTERESTING STATISTIC THAT YOU MIGHT FIND, UM, PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION.
AND THAT IS THAT CLOUD PARK IS THE MOST FREQUENTED PARK, UM, IN THE GREATER AREA.
UM, ALL 15 MILE RADIUS ALL AROUND.
SO WE SEE MORE PEOPLE THAN ROTARY PARK IN BEAVER CREEK.
UM, KYLE PARK AND TIP, WE SEE MORE PEOPLE THAN JOHN BRYAN STATE PARK IN A YEAR.
AND MORE PEOPLE THAN RIVERSCAPE METRO PARK, AT LEAST FOR 2023.
I KNOW THEY HAD SOME STRUGGLES WITH SOME OF THEIR EVENTS, SO THEY MIGHT CATCH UP TO US NOW THAT THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING BACK ON DOWN THERE.
BUT THAT TO ME IS A HUGE STATISTIC TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THIS PARK.
AND THE CURRENT IMPRESSION THAT THEY'RE BEING LEFT WITH IS, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIT OF A TIRED FACILITY.
UM, SO NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO RECTIFY THE SPLASH PAD, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD PROPOSE, UM, SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW MORE DETAILED RENDERINGS.
UM, THIS WOULD SHOW, UH, THE KIND OF THE SPLASH PAD, THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC TOYS THAT WE WOULD BUY, UM, WOULD BE DESIGNED LATER AFTER WE PUT IT OUT TO BID.
WE WOULD ASK THEM TO PUT A DESIGN IN IT.
SO SOME IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED OUT THERE WOULD BE TO THEME IT, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH, UH, LIKE PLAY ON THE WORD CLOUD, UM, DUE TO THE NAME OF THE PARK.
AND YOU COULD HAVE KITES AND UMBRELLAS AND CLOUDS, UM, POURING RAINDROPS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
ALSO JUST TO GO WITH A NATURE FEEL WITH LOGS AND, UM, TREES, ANIMALS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPLASH PAD AMENITIES OUT THERE.
AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMPANIES THAT ARE BIDDING ON IT TO KIND OF PROPOSE THEIR IDEA FOR THE LOOK.
AND THEN WE WOULD AWARD IT BASED ON ALL OF THE QUALIFICATIONS.
BUT THIS SHOWS JUST WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE SPACE.
WE COULD ADD SHADE STRUCTURES AND SEATING CAPACITY.
UM, ANOTHER IDEA WOULD BE TO ADD AN AMPHITHEATER AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THIS IS OUR MOST FREQUENTED PARK IN THE SYSTEM AND NOW WE KNOW IT'S THE MOST FREQUENTED PARK IN THE AREA.
UM, AND PART OF ME, IF WE SAYS IF WE WANNA HAVE LARGE SCALE EVENTS, WE MAYBE SHOULD JUST GO WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE AND THE PEOPLE ARE AT CLOUD PARK.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THIS IS REMINISCENT OF THE DAYS WHEN MONTGOMERY COUNTY RAN THE PARK AND WOULD HOLD THEIR FESTIVALS IN THIS KIND OF ZONE.
AND SO IT WAS KIND OF BRINGING THAT BACK.
UM, I WAS OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY AT 8:00 PM AND EVEN WITHOUT ANY SHADE STRUCTURES, THIS AREA OF THE PARK IS VERY SHADED BECAUSE OF THAT TREE LINE.
THE STAGE HERE ALSO WOULD FACE DUE NORTH.
SO WE NO LONGER HAVE THE ISSUES OF MUSICIANS BEING BLINDED BY THE SUN AND THEIR GUITARS POTENTIALLY WARPING IN THE HEAT.
WE COULD ALSO ADD VENDOR SPACE IN.
SO THIS, UM, SHOWS KIND OF A TURNAROUND WHERE YOU COULD HAVE HOOKUPS FOR FOOD TRUCKS TO BE PARKED ON THE, ALONG THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN IN THE CENTER THERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, A VERY LARGE SHELTER THAT YOU COULD RUN LIKE A FARMER'S MARKET UNDER.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE BRING OUT INDIVIDUAL POP-UP TENTS, WE COULD FILL VENDORS UNDER THERE.
UM, THAT WOULDN'T PRECLUDE US FROM TAKING MORE VENDORS AND PUTTING THEM IN POP-UP TENTS OUT IN THE PARK.
BUT IT COULD ALSO BE A SPACE FOR VENDORS.
WHEN WE HAVE THE LARGE SCALE EVENTS.
PERHAPS WE'RE DOING SOMETHING AT THE HOLIDAY AND WE WANT A LITTLE BIT OF A BIZARRE, OR A CHRIS CRILE KIND OF GERMAN MARKET FIELD.
THIS COULD BE WHERE WE WOULD PUT VENDORS.
UM, SO THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
ALSO, HAVING THIS DEDICATED, UM, FOOD TRUCK PARKING SPOT, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE NEAR 2000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK ON ANY GIVEN SATURDAY IN THE SUMMER, WE COULD AS A SOURCE OF INCOME, BEGIN RENTING PERMITS FOR FOOD TRUCKS TO FUNCTION THERE ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
UM, SO THAT THEY, IT'D BE A PASSIVE SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN JUST OFFERING THAT AS AN AMENITY FOR PEOPLE OUT IN THE PARKS TOO.
THEY'D HAVE DEDICATED PARKING SPOTS.
UM, HERE SHOWS A PATIO THAT KIND OF SOMEWHAT OVERLOOKS THE CONCERT VENUE.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE BEST VIEW OF THE STAGE, BUT SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND NOT WANNA INTERRUPT THE CROWD AND PEOPLE ENJOYING THE MUSIC.
AND THEY WOULD STILL VERY MUCH GET THE FEEL AND VIBE OF THE MUSIC, BE ABLE TO HEAR IT.
UM, ALONG WITH A SMALL PLAYGROUND.
AND THIS WOULD BE KIND OF AN ATYPICAL PLAYGROUND IN WHICH WE WOULD WANNA DO A LOT OF, UM, KIND OF TURF PLAY AND VERY NATURE FEEL.
UM, SOME HILLS FOR KIDS TO CLIMB UP AND SLIDE DOWN AND DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT AREN'T EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD FIND ON YOUR LARGE PLAY STRUCTURES.
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CHILDREN BUSY WHILE MOM AND DAD ARE HAVING A NICE EVENING THERE ON THE PATIO LISTENING TO MUSIC.HERE'S ONE SHOT OF THE OVERVIEW.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS BUILDING HERE IN THE MIDDLE WOULD ACTUALLY HOUSE OUR CONCESSIONS AND OUR RESTROOMS. IT WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH TO HAVE A FULLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM, UM, WITH AN ADULT CHANGING TABLE AS WELL.
UM, ALONG THE BACKSIDE IS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE OUR MUSIC.
UM, PRODUCTION COULD SIT UP AWAY FROM PEOPLE SO THEY AREN'T PRECLUDING THE VIEW OF ANYONE.
AND ALSO ALONG THAT BACKSIDE IS WHERE WE COULD PUT A VIEWING PLATFORM SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE, UM, THAT HAVE, UH, PHYSICAL DISABILITIES AND WANT TO SIT ELEVATED AND KIND OF SEE THE LITTLE BIT OF THE STAGE AND HEAR THE MUSIC AND, UM, NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GOING IN THROUGH THE CROWDS AND BEING FAR FROM THE RESTROOM.
AND THEN THIS OVERVIEW KIND OF SHOWS HOW IT ALL FITS IN THAT SPOT.
SO YOU CAN SEE BRANT PIKE RIGHT THERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU SEE THAT ACCESS ROAD THAT CURRENTLY GOES BACK TO OUR COLD STORAGE BUILDING.
ANOTHER NICE FEATURE ABOUT THIS DESIGN IS THAT THAT WOULD KIND OF HIDE OUR COLD STORAGE BUILDING A BIT.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD COME IN, YOU'D COME INTO THE PARK, HAVE THE FARMER'S MARKET AREA IMMEDIATELY THERE OR VENDOR AREA.
THIS WOULD ADD PARKING SPACES IN THIS DESIGN.
BUT THIS ISN'T A DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TO BE MARRIED TO.
IT KIND OF JUST SHOWS WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PROCEED WITH, UM, BIDDING OUT THE FORMAL DESIGN OF THIS PARK SPACE TO INCLUDE THESE AMENITIES.
AND THEN FROM THERE, PIECE OUT BIDS, UM, STARTING WITH THE SPLASH PAD.
AND THEN FROM THERE THE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT.
UM, THOSE THAT WE WANNA FUND OR THOSE WE WANNA SEEK GRANT FUNDING FOR IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TIERS.
THAT'S THE INPUT I WOULD SEEK FROM YOU ALL.
BRIAN? UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR THINKING ABOUT GUITARS.
THE, THE OVERALL DESIGN THAT'S, I MEAN, I, I'D GO TODAY.
UH, SARAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VISION AND YOUR PROACTIVENESS.
UH, YOU JUST ARE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
UH, FOR JOHN LONG RANGE PLANS.
AFTER WE GET THE PUBLIC, UH, WORKS BUILDING BUILT AND THEY MOVE SOME OF THE STUFF FROM BEHIND THE FIRE STATION, IS THERE ANY LONG RANGE PLAN TO MOVE THE STORAGE AREA THAT BUTTS UP TO CLOUD PARK OUT OF THERE SO WE COULD USE THAT SPACE? UM, I, I CAN TALK TO MIKE.
I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS USEFUL TO HAVE EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE SINCE WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE PARK AND MOWING AND DOING THOSE THINGS.
SO TRUCKING THAT STUFF BACK AND FORTH IS, IS WEAR AND TEAR.
BUT I CAN, I MEAN, DON'T THEY ALSO, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS.
DON'T THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER SPACE UP BY THE, UH, CHAMBER BUILDING? THEY DO.
SO WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN CONSOLIDATE.
I CAN SEE WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THOSE RESERVES.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO KEEP EQUIPMENT THERE.
'CAUSE BUT I MEAN, IT'S FULL NOW.
I MEAN IT, LIKE I SAID, HE'S GOT SOME EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE AS WELL, SO I MEAN IT'S YEAH.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T USE YEAR ROUND, HE STORED.
I THINK ONCE THE OTHER PUBLIC USE FACILITY COMES IN, WE GET MORE SPACE, WE GET MORE, WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE SOME THINGS AND CONSOLIDATE SOME THINGS.
I JUST DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR MIKE UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT WE CAN MAKE IT, I MEAN, I, I LOVE SARAH'S VISION SO WE CAN, I WOULD LOVE TO DO WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER YOU
AND, AND I THINK IF WE OPEN IT UP, I AGREE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA PRETTY SOMETHING UP, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN EYESORE OF A BUILDING SITTING IN THE BACK CORNER.
BUT, BUT IF WE ENLARGE THE, UH, THE PARK YEAH.
IN ANY WAY, WE'LL JUST BE ABLE TO FILL IT WITH ACTIVITIES.
SARAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, WHERE THE SPLASH PAD CURRENTLY SITS THE FIELD BETWEEN THE SPLASH PAD AND THE, UH, BRANT PIKE.
TRADITIONALLY THAT'S USED FOR FOOTBALL PRACTICE AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S SOCCER FIELDS.
CAN WE SPEAK TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO THOSE TWO? UM, SO THIS AREA IS NOT IN CURRENTLY USED FOR SOCCER.
I DO KNOW THAT THE FOOTBALL HAS PRACTICED THERE.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO PRACTICED AT COTTONWOOD PARK.
AND WE HAVE REMOVED THE BACKSTOPS AT COTTONWOOD PARK TO ENABLE A GREATER GREEN SPACE FOR THEM THERE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY ELSEWHERE IN THE PARK SYSTEM, UM, IF THAT IS THE EXACT AREA THAT THEY, IF THEY WANT CLOUD.
I ALSO THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO RETHINK HOW WE'RE UTILIZING ALL OF THE SPACE.
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HOPE TO COME UP WITH A USAGE PLAN AS IT COINCIDES WITH THIS.UM, I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, OUTLETS FOR THE VENDORS TO HAVE ELECTRIC.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, IF I RECALL.
UM, AS LONG AS THAT SHELTER YOU SPOKE TO HAD MORE OF THE OUTLETS THAT THEY COULD USE.
THE ELECTRIC ALREADY RUNNING THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR IS VERY GOOD.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO SELECT THIS SPECIFIC CORRIDOR.
SO I DUNNO HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE IT'S BEEN USED, BUT, UH, THE BACKSIDE OF COMMUNITY PARK IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF COMMUNITY AND BEFORE YOU GET BACK TO STUDEBAKER KIND OF COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, THAT'S WHERE THE PEEWEE FOOTBALL, SO IT WASN'T H-H-Y-F-C, BUT THAT THERE, THERE'S A FOOTBALL FIELD USED TO BE BACK THERE.
I MEAN THERE, THERE'S LINES AREN'T PAID ANYMORE AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THE PEEWEE LEAGUE USED TO PLAY AND PRACTICE AND ALL THAT ALL THE TIME.
THEY STILL DO MAYOR IN THAT FIELD BACK THERE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH GROUP OR WHICH CLUB IS PRACTICING AT CLOUD, BUT I AGREE THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY DIFFERENT PARKS WE HAVE, THERE'S GOTTA BE PLACES WE CAN UTILIZE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, THAT THAT'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, GARY SHERMAN RIGHT BACK HERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF SPACE.
I NEVER SEE A TON OF PEOPLE BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO I THINK EVEN IN THAT ONE, WE TALKED OTHER BEFORE, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO KICK SOMETHING OUT TO KICK THIS SURE.
A YEAR, SAY GARY SHERMAN PARK, AND PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WHERE'S THAT? YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T EVEN, WE HAD THAT.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY SPACE AND ROOM FOR US TO, TO UTILIZE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.
BUT YEAH, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT PEEWEE.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT THE, THAT THE PEEWEE LEAGUE DIDN'T EVEN, WASN'T IN EXISTENCE HERE AND THEY WERE THERE LAST FALL FOR GAMES.
SO I WON'T SPEAK TO ANYTHING ELSE.
SARAH, I HAD SAID SOMETHING TO MARK WHEN HE BROUGHT THIS UP ABOUT LOOKING AT LIKE, SOMETHING, NOT EXACTLY LIKE, BUT SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE OWEN'S PLACE FOR FAMILIES OUT IN BEAVER CREEK.
I'VE BEEN OWEN'S PLACE ANYHOW.
I JUST THINK THAT'S A REAL DRAW TO PARKS AS WELL.
I MEAN, I KNOW A TON OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO ANNUAL MEETINGS AT OWENS PLACE 'CAUSE IT'S JUST SO ACCESSIBLE, SO INVITING TO FAMILIES.
WHEN WE GO TO DO UP DRAWINGS, I'M NOT SAYING LET'S GO IN DEBT AND DO THIS RIGHT AWAY, BUT IF WE'RE DOING THIS IN PHASES, DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD KIND OF GET CREATIVE WITH TO MAYBE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A PHASE DOWN THE ROAD? UM, SO OWEN'S PLACE IS, HAS MULTIPLE SECTIONS KIND OF WITHIN ONE.
AND, UM, THE PLAY AREA OF RECOMMENDED HERE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PLAY AT OWEN'S PLACE.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO A FULL SIZE PLAYGROUND.
THE CLOSEST THAT I'M CURRENTLY RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE DO, UM, A MORE ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND AT COTTONWOOD.
UM, SO, WELL THERE'S TWOFOLD HERE.
SO COTTONWOOD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE VERY ACCESSIBLE, PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUNDS ALSO SERVE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN.
UM, SO WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF PLAYGROUNDS THAT SERVE YOUNG CHILDREN.
UM, AND THEN I'VE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT WE EXPAND THE VERY ACCESSIBLE BUT VERY LIMITED PLAYGROUND AT COMMUNITY PARK, UM, TO BE KIND OF THE POOL FOR OUR HIGHEST ACCESSIBILITY ONE, IF WE WERE TO PUT THE FOOTPRINT OF OWENS PLACE IN THIS PLAN, IT WOULD BE VERY LARGE.
WE COULD LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE TO REPLACE ANOTHER PLAYGROUND PATH, THIS PARK, WHICH WILL BE DUE TO REPLACE ANOTHER ONE WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
UH, IT WOULD BE THE ONE TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, AND THAT WOULD OPEN UP MORE LANDSCAPE TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE AND ACCESSIBLE LIKE OWEN'S PLACE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SIZE OF PARK WOULD FIT IN THIS FOOTPRINT.
I JUST, AND AS I SAID, I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT IT.
US POSSIBLY EVEN FUNDING THIS.
I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE HUBER FOUNDATION REVAMPING THAT BACK UP BECAUSE OWEN'S PLACE REALLY WAS PRIVATE FUNDED.
AND I, I AM GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE PERSON WHO DID THAT AND STILL IS CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S JUST VERY, UM, OH MY GOSH.
WHERE CAN YOU GO TO AN ACCESSIBLE, UM, TREE HOUSE? I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING.
AND SO, UM, I JUST THINK THAT HERE WERE HAVING A LARGE POPULATION OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AND STUFF.
THIS WOULD JUST BE AN ADDED BONUS TO OUR COMMUNITY TO SOMEWHERE DO SOMETHING, AS I SAID, BE CREATIVE.
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PLACE, BUT DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, YES, MARK.
UM, ALL THE SLIDES THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER ISN'T GOING TO ENHANCE AND CHANGE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN SOUTH HUB HEIGHTS, THE AREA IN WHICH I LIVE AND REPRESENT.
SO IT'S A GREAT VISION, BUT WE NEED TO SEE IT TURNED INTO REALITY.
WE COULD DEBATE A PLAN, JOHN, FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SARAH AND OUR STAFF.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, A VISION THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE TO.
UM, I WOULD LIKEN THIS TO THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER AND THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD TO ANSWER.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE COLOR PALETTE, THE ORANGE MM-HMM.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES AND THEN WENT WITH THE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAD PROPOSED THAT SIGN AND, UH, COLOR PALETTE.
I HAD ASKED FOR COUNSEL AND THE MAYOR'S SUPPORT.
I'M ASKING FOR THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
UH, AARON, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT BY FISHER HOMES ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD, IT'S GOING TO GENERATE ABOUT HOW MUCH IN TIF REVENUE.
SO WE ARE RERUNNING THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, BUT, UH, AROUND 20 MILLION IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
SO, SO THIS IS THE FISHER HOMES PROJECT ACROSS FROM THE OAKS.
UM, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT UTILIZING SOME OF THAT TIFF SPINOFF TO COVER THE COST OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL.
AND THEN WE HAD SUGGESTED MAYBE WE COULD BUY A SPLASH PAD WITH IT.
THAT'S NOT THE LAST TIFF PROJECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, IS IT? NO.
SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST JOHN AND THE COUNCIL, IS THAT WE START GENERATING MONEY IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE DECIDED TO SPEND ON A STREET'S GARAGE, THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAD ANY HESITATION VOTING YES.
AND IT'S BEEN ALL THE SUCCESS AND ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT'S ENABLED US TO VOTE.
FOR WHAT, ABOUT $24 MILLION FOR A STREET'S GARAGE? CORRECT.
SO, UH, I THINK SARAH, YOU NEED TO WORK WITH STAFF AND YOUR VENDORS.
I THINK YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO EMBRACE THAT IF WE CAN.
UH, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
UH, A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE AND MAGNITUDE AND DRAW, WE'RE GONNA BE VERY, UM, IT'S GONNA BE VERY EASY FOR US TO SEEK NAMING SPONSORSHIPS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
UH, THAT COULD DRAW MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN, UH, NAMING SPONSORS FOR THAT LOCATION.
UH, WE HAVE A SIGN ON THE ENTRANCE THAT THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH, WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS WRONG WITH THE SIGN.
ONE STAFF HASN'T U UTILIZED IT, LIKE SEEKING SPONSORSHIP MONEY FOR THE FIREWORKS.
SO IN, IN THE PAST, WE USED TO PAY A MINIMUM OF HALF OF OUR FIREWORKS COST BY SPONSORSHIPS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD PROMOTE AND SELL TO, UH, COMPANIES THAT WERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.
WE WENT WITH A DIGITAL GATEWAY FEATURE THERE AND COULD HAVE EASILY INCREASED THAT AMOUNT.
UM, BUT THE SECOND THING THAT'S WRONG WITH THE SIGN, IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH.
UM, BUT WE COULD SELL ADVERTISING ON THE DIGITAL GATEWAY FEATURE THERE, AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT FOR CITY SPONSORED THINGS.
UM, WE COULD SELL NAMING SPONSORSHIPS FOR THIS.
AND WE SOLD THE ROSE NAMING SPONSOR AFTER WE HAD VOTED, AND THE COMMUNITY HAD GOT BEHIND BUILDING THE MUSIC CENTER.
SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE MUSIC CENTER.
WE HADN'T SOLD $4 MILLION WORTH OF NAMING RIGHTS AT THAT POINT.
SO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO GET PAST THE VISION STAGE AND MOVE INTO CHANGING THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN SOUTH HUB HEIGHTS, THEY'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH.
SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE 68 YEARS OLD.
UM, I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1958, OFF AND ON.
IT'S TIME TO INVEST IN THAT AREA, CONTINUE TO INVEST.
UH, I THINK MAYOR, THE ONLY REAL IN
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REINVESTMENT IN THAT AREA HAS BEEN THE MARION MEADOWS.AND YOU'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS SUCCESS WITH THAT, HAVE YOU NOT? YEP.
AND, UH, JOHN, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR FEELINGS ON THIS? JUST TO TRY TO GET A FEEL.
I'VE NOT LIVED HERE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE, BUT I'VE USED CLOUD PARK A LOT AND I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE WHEN, WHEN IT BECAME, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD DEAL ON IT.
UM, AND MIKE AND HIS CREW AND OUR VENDORS, OUTSIDE VENDORS HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB MAINTAINING IT, BUT IT LOOKS TIRED AND, AND IT'S NOT THE AMENITY AND THE LIFESTYLE AMENITY THAT IT COULD BE.
AND I'M REALLY HAPPY YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'RE HERE FOR A REASON.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
I I JUST WISH I COULD GET MORE ENTHUSIASM FROM THE COUNCIL TO BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU.
I MEAN, JUST TO SIT HERE QUIET, IS IT REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU DO PROJECTS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE THE LEVEL OF SUCCESS, LIKE THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER? MM-HMM.
PEOPLE GET FIRED UP ABOUT THAT.
THIS THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND WE GET TO HELP GUIDE AND DIRECT THIS.
I I THINK THE, I KNOW IT'S SEVEN 30, BUT GOLLY
AND THAT IS PEOPLE, SO HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES GO WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE AT.
PEOPLE DON'T GO WHERE THE BUSINESSES ARE AT.
AND I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE MISSED, MISSED THE TARGET HERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF THOSE COMMUNITY PARKS, BUT FROM THE REGIONAL PARK THAT WE'VE GOT, AND KNOWING THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ATTENDING THAT PARK BASED ON THE STATISTICS THAT, THAT SARAH HAS, THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.
SO IT'S NO DIFFERENT IN BUSINESS.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD WE TRY TO DISPERSE FIRST FINANCES AND FUNDING AND, AND SOURCES TO PLACES WHERE THERE AREN'T PEOPLE? BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW THAT STUFF.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT IS ECONOMICS 1 0 1.
SO IF WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF AMENITY THERE, WE PROBABLY HAVE MISSED THE BUCKET OR THE TARGET OR WHATEVER PHRASE YOU WANT TO, TO USE TO SAY THAT.
THAT IF, IF WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING, THEN WHY NOT INVEST THE MONEY WHERE WE KNOW THE PEOPLE ARE GOING RATHER THAN PURPOSELY SPEND THE MONEY SOMEPLACE ELSE TO TRY TO GET THEM TO MOVE.
SARAH, IF YOU TAKE SHAW ROAD BETWEEN ROY PIKE AND BRANT PIKE AND YOU GO NORTH, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
WE HAVE MEDIANS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE STONE COLUMNS, LANDSCAPING.
WE, WE HAVE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS IN THE GRASS AND THE LANDSCAPING.
IT'S MAINTAINED BY AN OUTSIDE FIRM.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A, A MUSIC CENTER SECOND TO NONE, JUST SOUTH OF THAT.
WE HAVE THE YMCA, WE HAVE THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER.
WE HAVE A WALKING TRAIL AROUND THAT AMENITY.
IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL BLACK, UH, UH, UH, PICKET FENCES AROUND THE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S JUST OUTSTANDING CARRIAGE TRAILS HAS, UH, BERMS AND, AND, AND TREES AND, AND PLANTS AND WALKWAYS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST TREMENDOUS.
AND IF YOU'VE DRIVEN LIKE SOUTH LIKE FISHBURG TO NEED MORE, IT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH.
AND, AND ALL OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT ENHANCES AND MAKES, THAT IS WHAT THE CITY'S INVESTED.
THERE WAS AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, THERE WAS MONEY BEING SPENT UP THERE, BUT IT'S NOW TIME TO UPGRADE THE LIFESTYLE SOUTH HUB HEIGHTS.
SO, AND, AND I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH THAT, KATE.
I JUST, YOU JUST CAN'T SEE ME JUMPING UP DOWN IN MY SEAT.
IT'S, IT'S INSIDE NOT, IT'S, IT'S QUIETLY ON THE INSIDE WAY TO RIP OUT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THE ENTRANCE, IT'S RIGHT NOW, LIKE SINGLE LANE IN PRETTY MUCH, AND THERE'S LIKE SOME TURN LANES TO TURN OUT.
CAN WE MAKE IT TWO LANES IN AND TWO LANES COMPLETELY OUT, AT LEAST UP TO THE FIRST WALKWAY, THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK ITSELF, THE ENTRANCE COMING INTO THE PARK.
COULD IT BE MADE TWO LANES WIDE AND THEN ONE LANE WOULD LIKE BE A LEFT TURN LANE AND GO INTO THE QUAD? THE RIGHT CURRENT SPLASH PAD? MM-HMM.
AND THEN EXITING OUT WOULD BE ALSO TWO LANE.
COULD WE WIDEN THAT? BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN.
UM, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE IN THE, IN THE LIKE ENGINEERED PLANS THAT GO OUT IN, IN THIS
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BIT CYCLE.THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE DESIGNING FOR US.
SO THEY'LL EVEN TELL US, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE ARTISTIC INTERPRETATION, BUT THEY'LL TELL YOU, OH, I THINK YOU UNDERCUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING.
OR YOUR ROAD IS TOO NARROW, JUST LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP.
AND WE'LL FIND OUT MORE IN THAT PROCESS BECAUSE SATURDAY WAS SO GREAT, IT WAS SO WELL ATTENDED.
THEY JUST MADE LEFT TWO LANES ARE GONNA GO LEFT AND THE RIGHT TWO LANES ARE GONNA GO.
AND LIKE, THAT'S HOW THEY PUSHED.
THEY SWISHED EVERYBODY OUT THERE SO EFFECTIVELY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THE, WHAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S TWO LANES IN EACH LANE COMING IN AND GOING OUT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THAT FIRST WALKWAY.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH OUR EXIT PLANE.
'CAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY EXIT FOR VEHICLES.
MAYOR, REMIND ME, WHAT WAS THE, UH, AWARD THAT WE WERE NOMINATED FOR? WAS IT THE AMERICAN COUNTRY MUSIC AWARD? YES.
AND, AND WE ONLY GOT NOMINATED FOR THAT AFTER THE ROSE HAD BEEN OPENED A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO THERE'S NO DOUBT THE PERFORMERS AND THE PATRON BELIEVES THAT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER IS TOPNOTCH FIRST CLASS.
WE, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET THIS PROJECT STARTED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME OR ON CITY STAFF, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT KNEW HOW TO BUILD A FIRST CLASS ROSE MUSIC CENTER THAT'LL COME TOGETHER AS SOON AS WE GET OUT OF ITS WAY AND JUST GET THE PROCESS STARTED.
AND IF WE THINK OF ALL THE REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T, THERE'S 10 TIMES MORE REASONS WHY WE SHOULD YEP.
WHEN, WHEN WE CAN DO THINGS FOR OUR CITY, LIKE WE HAVE, INCLUDING A STREET'S GARAGE FACILITY.
AND I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD JUST BE TALKED TO DEATH.
SO I MEAN, I, I, BECAUSE YOU CERTAINLY, 'CAUSE YOU CAN DO THAT AND YOU, ARE WE LOOKING AT HAVING A BETTER SOUND? BECAUSE EEL BERGER, I THINK IT'S A PORTABLE SOUND SYSTEM.
SO WE CONTRACT SOUND ENGINEERS WHO COME AND THEY BRING THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT.
SO IT KIND OF, YOU GET VARIOUS LEVELS OF QUALITY DEPENDING ON WHO'S CONTRACTED FOR THAT EVENT.
SO ARE WE GONNA HAVE A MORE PERMANENT THING AT THIS? SO MOST LIKELY NOT, BECAUSE THIS WILL STILL BE AN OPEN PARKWAY.
UM, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE INVEST IN OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN.
UM, BUT IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT IT WOULD JUST BE BUILT SO THAT, UM, WE COULD GET THE HIGHER GLASS SPEAKERS AND LIGHT SYSTEMS THAT COULD HANG, UM, AND BE INSTALLED UP IN THE RAFTERS.
SO UNLIKE THE TEMPORARY STAGE WE HAD THIS WEEKEND WHERE ALL OF THE LIGHTS HAD TO BE ON FLOOR STOOLS.
'CAUSE THAT'S ONE THING I'VE NOTICED ABOUT EICHELBERGER IS SOME THINGS HAVE GONE THERE.
AND SO IT'S REAL TOUCH AND GO.
SO I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING, A BETTER SYSTEM SOMEHOW.
I'M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN SOUND PERSON.
BUT SOMETHING OF BETTER QUALITY IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THIS.
WELL, I DO BELIEVE THE LEVITT LEAVES THEIRS UP.
UM, SO THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBLEM SOLVED THAT ISSUE.
WHO, WHO GET PAID TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO NOT GET SPEAKERS ON.
UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY INCLUDE IN THE PROPOSAL AS AN OPTION.
SO YEAH, I JUST, AS I SAID, SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN REAL TOUCHY ON IT.
THANK YOU MAYOR MARK CAMPBELL.
UH, I, I'LL JUST TELL YOU I'M EXCITED, SARAH.
AND, UM, UH, I GO TO DIFFERENT FACILITIES AROUND THE AREA HERE.
ONE THAT POPS OUT AT ME IS STUBBS PARK IN CENTERVILLE, WHICH IS UNDERGOING A MAJOR RENOVATION RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVE A BAND SHELL TYPE THING THERE.
THE CROWDS AT A TYPICAL STUBBS PARK CONCERT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAD A QUEEN COVER BAND THERE THAT, UH, DREW, UH, NEARLY 7,000 PEOPLE.
THEY HAD A, UH, TAYLOR SWIFT COVER BAND OUT OF LAS VEGAS THERE THAT DREW 6,580 PEOPLE.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT, UH, AT OUR RENDERING HERE, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS MAYBE WE NEED TO REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT BIGGER, BECAUSE YOU ARE PUTTING THIS WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, WHATEVER YOUR CONSULTANTS COME UP WITH, I AGREE WITH MARK CAMPBELL.
WE CAN ALL STAND HERE AND BE IN THE WAY.
NONE OF US KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THIS, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DO THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH.
UM, I SEE THIS AS AN AMENITY THAT OUR CITY DESERVES.
UH, I, I CAN JUST IMAGINE WEEKENDS DOWN THERE WITH THE, THE CONCERTS THAT WE HAVE NOW, UM, TIMES 10.
SO, UH, AND UH, AGAIN, WITH THE SPLASH PAD RENOVATION, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE, UH, AS A RETIRED GUY, I DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND LOOK AT STUFF.
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I DRAG MY WIFE ALONG WITH ME.AND WHEN WE DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND WE LOOK AT STUFF, SOME OF THE STUFF I SEE IS THE AMAZING AMOUNT OF KIDS YOU'LL SEE THERE ON A HOT SUMMER DAY IN OUR, UH, LESS THAN ADEQUATE SPLASH PAD WE HAVE.
SO PUTTING IN A NEW SPLASH PAD IS AN INCREDIBLE IDEA.
PUTTING IN THE, UH, AMP THEATER DOWN THERE AND HAVING THAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, COMMUNITY THEATER, THINGS LIKE THAT OCCURRING DOWN THERE.
UM, LASTLY, I JUST WANT, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED MANY TIMES AT DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I APPLAUD YOUR INVOLVEMENT, BUT MOREOVER, I APPLAUD YOUR VISION, VISIONING THIS STUFF OUT AND YOUR VISION OVERALL.
WE'VE, UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED, UM, THE YMCA, UH, AND THE BERG UP THERE NOW AND AGAIN, SIERRA HAS A VISION.
PARKS AND REC HAS A VISION FOR WHAT THAT COMPLEX WILL LOOK LIKE UP THERE.
UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, THIS PARK DOWN THERE, UM, MARK, I'M EXCITED.
I HOLD IT IN REAL WELL, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I SAY, AS YOU SAID, LET'S, UH, LET'S GET IT WRITTEN UP AND, AND GET MOVING ON IT.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF NEW HOMES AND TOWNHOUSES AND EVERYTHING THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AT SOUTH OF, UH, THE CITY, UH, ARE BEING BUILT, UH, AND WILL BE BUILT.
UM, AND, UM, WE'LL BE, THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO.
I LOVE THE IDEA THAT MARK HAS PUT FORTH.
UM, SO I HAVE TO ASK, UH, DOES SARAH NEED TO BRING HER CONCEPT TO COUNCIL? OR DO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIGN IN ORDER TO GO OUT FOR AN RFQ? OR WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? I MEAN, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP.
MARK JOHN, YOU HAVE A TEAM IN PLACE.
AND YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL TEAM MEMBERS COMING SOON.
YOU NEED TO GATHER YOUR TEAM TOGETHER.
YOU NEED TO THINK TANK, WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS AND WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS AND WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS.
YOU NEED TO WORK WITH CHRIS AND CHRIS MANN.
YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT, UH, THE, THE TOWN HOMES THAT NANCY TALKS ABOUT ARE NEAR NANCY AND I.
THE LAST THING YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS MONEY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH WE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU NEED TO IMPLEMENT, WHO YOU NEED TO HIRE TO GET THAT OFF THAT PAPER AND START COMING UP WITH SOME SCHEMATICS, SOME BLUEPRINTS, SOME PRODUCTION COST IN TIMES WASTING.
YOU, YOU, YOU COULD BE IN THE GROUND IN LESS THAN A YEAR MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
I THINK SARAH WANTS IT EARLIER THAN THAT.
YOU COULD DO THAT IN LESS THAN A YEAR.
OR WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT FOR FIVE YEARS.
THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THE AQUATIC CENTER, EXCUSE ME, THE SPLASH PAD IS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ROGER HENSLEY.
WE HAD SHUT DOWN THE YMCA POOL ON FISHBURG WHERE THE SKATE PARK IS.
IT WAS TOO LATE IN THE SEASON.
HE WANTED TO OFFER THE KIDS SOMETHING.
AND HOW OLD IS THE SPLASH PAD?
WELL, THE REASON WE HAD TO SHUT THE PULL DOWN THAT WE BOUGHT OFF OF THE Y IS THE WALLS WERE CAVING IN AND WE KEPT TRYING TO FIX IT AND PROP IT UP UNTIL THE PERSON FIXING IT AND PROPPING IT UP SAID, OUR CONSCIENCE WON'T LET US DO IT ANYMORE.
WE HAD THE POLE REMOVED COMPLETELY.
BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD THE SKATE PARK, SKATE PARK IF WE HADN'T DONE THAT.
NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, I MEAN THAT IS COLLECTIVELY SOMETHING EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET BEHIND.
'CAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS MAKE, THAT'LL MAKE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY BETTER.
WELL, AND IT'S GOING ANOTHER, UH, WAY FOR US TO SPECIFICALLY SHOW INTEREST IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE AND WE DO KNOW WE'VE GOT LOTS OF INTERNAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING IN NEW SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DOWN THERE.
AND IF WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE GO AND THAT'S WHERE THEY VISIT, THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE INVESTING THE RESOURCES.
[01:45:01]
OKAY.HOW SOON UNTIL THE WALKING PATH FROM KITTRIDGE TO THIS CLOUD PARK WILL BE DONE? DO WE KNOW? I'M WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED, I'M GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE PETROLEUM COMPANIES TO GET THEIR, THERE'S ONE PETROLEUM COMPANY I HAVE TO DEAL WITH TO GET THEIR APPROVAL.
I'M HOPING TO HAVE THAT HERE SOON AND THEN I CAN BID THAT OUT.
SO REALISTICALLY, 12 MONTHS OUT FOR A PATH.
WORST CASE WOULD BE THE SPRING.
I HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR YET I CAN BID IT UP.
THANK, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW I DIDN'T HAVE AN UPDATE.
AND IT WAS LIKE, THIS WOULD ADD TO THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA COME IN RIGHT THERE AT THE ENTRANCE AND IT'LL BE VERY ACCESSIBLE THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK TO THIS EVENT AND WALK HOME OR BIKE.
NANCY, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME YOU SPOKE TO ME ABOUT THE SIDEWALK THAT RUSS JUST REFERENCED? HOW, HOW MANY YEARS AGO? PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN
THAT'S NOT THE SCHEDULE AND TIMELINE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS EASILY FOR SEVEN YEARS.
IT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN OH YEAH.
AND, AND WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A SIDEWALK NOW, RUSS? UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED A WALKING PATH FROM KITTRIDGE DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE OF TOM CLOUD.
'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO GET DOWN THERE BY PEDESTRIANS.
DO YOU, YOU REMEMBER THE MEETING, RUSS, THAT YOU HELPED US AND WE KEPT COMING UP WITH EVERY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T BUILD THE SIDEWALK.
AND YOU SAID, LET US, LET'S STAFF GO BACK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND THEN YOU CAME BACK BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IT WAS OBVIOUS YOU COULD CUT IT WITH A KNIFE.
COUNSEL COLLECTIVELY WAS WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S HOW THE SIDEWALK HAPPENED.
AND THE ENTHUSIASM THAT I'M TALKING AND ASKING FOR EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO HAVE AND TO INSTILL IN THEIR CONSTITUENTS IS THAT ENTHUSIASM, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT A SIDEWALK FOR SEVEN YEARS.
IT WASN'T UNTIL WE GOT SERIOUS THAT WE REALLY PUT THE PLANS TOGETHER FOR A SIDEWALK.
SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS FOR 17 YEARS IF THE SIDEWALK TOOK SEVEN.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE ALL OF YOUR IDEAS, I THINK YOU GET, YOU ALWAYS GET PRAISED FOR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS, THIS IS AWESOME.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK ANY, AND I'M OUT ON A LIMB HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING FOR FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS.
LET'S JUST, LET'S QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT AND LET'S DO SOMETHING.
SO I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT AND THE WORK.
SO WHERE DO WE, UM, THE ASK TONIGHT THEN WAS TO MOVE THIS OUT FOR AN RP RIGHT? TO GET KIND OF SOME OF THOSE DESIGNS RIGHT? IS IT? RIGHT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD PUT FORWARD, UM, AN RFP FOR YOUR REVIEW AND THEN GO OUT FOR THE MORE FORMAL DESIGN, UM, PROCESS AND THEN BID OUT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION THEREAFTER AFTER WE HAVE AN APPROVED DESIGN.
SO DOES COUNCIL WANNA REVIEW THAT RFP BACK THEN TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE INCLUDED IN THAT? OR ARE WE JUST GONNA, WE'RE GONNA JUST TURN THAT OVER TO, TO STAFF.
LET THEM FIGURE THAT OUT AND HAVE THE RFP COME BACK TO US.
WHAT LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT THEN WITH THIS DO, DO YOU GUYS WANNA HAVE BEFORE THIS ACTUALLY GOES OUT TO SOME TYPE OF DESIGN WORK AND BID? DON? THAT'S FINE.
MAYOR, IF I CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION.
MAYBE WE SHOULD FORWARD OUR, UM, IDEAS OR SUGGESTIONS TO TONY AND HAVE TONY, UM, GET THOSE OVER TO SARAH.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, KATE MENTIONED POWER.
UM, AND UH, SARAH MENTIONED, UH, THAT AREA HAS AN INCREDIBLE POWER GRID DOWN THERE.
UH, IT GOES BACK TO WHEN, FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE ALEX, YOU'LL REMEMBER YOU'RE AN OLD GUY LIKE ME.
UH, WE USED TO HAVE, UH, CARNIVAL RIDES DOWN THERE WITHOUT THE NEED FOR GENERATORS BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE POWER GRID DOWN IN THAT PART OF THE PARK.
BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR FOOD TRUCK AREA DOWN THERE.
UM, HAVE THE POWER SO THAT THEY'RE NOT RUNNING GENERATORS WHEN THE FOOD TRUCKS COME IN, THEY CAN PLUG IN.
UM, I NOTICED THAT DURING OUR JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, THE GENERATOR FROM THE FOOD TRUCK MADE IT HARD TO HEAR WHOEVER WAS UP ON STAGE.
SO I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS I'LL BE SENDING, UH, IF, IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, MAYOR, UH, IF WE COULD ALL SEND ANY IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS TO TONY AND HAVE TONY GET THOSE OVER TO SARAH.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES? BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
ANY ISSUES ON THAT? SO, SO ANY INDIVIDUAL IDEAS, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADDED OR JUST ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? YEP.
GET THOSE TO TONY, TONY, WORK WITH SARAH BEFORE THAT RFP GOES OUT.
AND THEN WE WILL EVERYBODY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GET INVOLVED IN, IN WHAT THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE AS IT COMES BACK.
CAN WE PUT A, UH, CAN WE PUT A DEADLINE ON THAT NO.
SO, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING THIS BACK NOW TO THE, UH, JULY 16TH WORK SESSION.
[01:50:01]
ASSUME THAT YOU FEEL THAT WE CAN BRING THE RFP DOCUMENT.WOULD THAT BE REASONABLE TIMELINE FOR YOU? YES.
I, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT BY TOMORROW AND MM-HMM.
SO IT'LL, THAT WOULD BE THE EARLIEST DATE.
SO IF EVERYBODY COULD, UH, HAVE THEIR FEEDBACK, UH, A WEEK FROM TOMORROW TO ME, THEN I CAN GET WITH SARAH IN PREPARATION FOR THE'S.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING.
IF WE'RE DOING SOME OF THESE LARGE SCALE THINGS, WHAT'S OUR SECURITY CAMERA SYSTEM? IS THERE, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR ALL OF THIS? BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND NOTHING'S REALLY HAPPENED.
SO I THINK JUST FORMALIZE THAT.
PUT IN AN EMAIL TO TONY AND WE'LL JUST, AND WE WILL JUST LET WHOEVER'S BIDDING THE DESIGN ON THIS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA INCLUDE.
WELL, IT NEEDS TO BE ACTUALLY ALL OF OUR PARKS BECAUSE I MEAN, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN COMMUNITY AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT THEN AND NOTHING HAPPENED.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UNIVERSAL IN ALL THE PARKS.
I THINK IF WE'RE INVESTING THIS KIND OF MONEY, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SECURITY MEASURES AND CAMERAS AND STUFF.
THERE ARE CAMERAS IN THE CIP PLAN, UM, FOR COMMUNITY.
UM, I DO NOT SEE AN OVERWHELMING REASON TO SURVEIL OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
SO LIKE OUR, OUR BELL PLAINS AND, UM, MIAMI VILLAS.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF PROPERTY CRIME OCCURRING OUT THERE, UH, LET ALONE VIOLENT CRIME.
I DO AGREE COMMUNITY IS A PRIORITY.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CAMERAS AT CLOUD ALREADY AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL INCLUDE THEM IN THIS DESIGN.
I HAVEN'T HAD AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF PROPERTY CRIME THERE EITHER TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
SO, UM, I GUESS I WOULD ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WATCHING THESE CAMERAS.
UM, AND WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY EYES OVER AT DISPATCH.
IF WE JUST PUT 'EM ON CLOSED CIRCUIT, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION.
BUT THEN ALSO BY ADDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER THING JUST TO MAINTAIN OVER TIME.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE THOSE EXACT RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY SERVED THIS COMMUNITY MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE ALL OF YOU.
UM, SO JUST INCLUDE HIM IN THAT EMAIL AND I CAN WORK IT INTO FUTURE CIP AS WELL.
AND ALSO KNOW THAT OUR IT DIRECTOR WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT SOME CAMERA OPTIONS, SO WE CAN PICK UP WITH HIM TOO.
MAY, WE MAY WANNA START WITH JUST THE TWO AND THEN SEE S AND D ARISES, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS.
MARK, JOHN, UH, SARAH HAD MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE CAMERAS AT THOMAS CLOUD.
NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TONIGHT, BUT TO GIVE YOU TIME, COULD YOU LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE? YEAH, I'LL LOOK.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME AT THE AQUATIC CENTER.
WE HAVE SOME DOWN AT CLOUD PARK, BUT I THINK ALMOST EVERYTHING WE OWN RIGHT NOW IS CLOSED CIRCUIT RECORDING ONTO SOMETHING.
THE ISSUE YOU RUN INTO WITH CAMERA ACTIVITY IS, AS SARAH SAID, IS YOU NOW HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO WATCH THAT CAMERA.
UM, THE LIKELY CHOICE OF PUTTING THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE DISPATCHED, BUT THERE, I MEAN, DISPATCH IS OVERLOADED.
I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, AND, AND I THINK FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, I THINK IF YOU CHOSE CLOSED CIRCUIT, IF YOU'RE JUST WANTING TO SEE WHO DID WHAT TO WHAT PARK STRUCTURES, I THINK THAT'S YOUR BEST BET.
I THINK, I THINK OUR ACTIVE PATROLLING AND OUR ACTIVE POLICING IS A BETTER DETERRENT THAN A CAMERA ANY DAY.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF IS ON THAT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE BIGGER PARTS WITH COMMUNITY AND WITH, WITH CLOUD IN PARTICULAR, THOSE TWO, AND I KNOW SARAH'S ADDRESSED COMMUNITY AND HER CIPI THINK WE LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS.
WE MAKE IT PROBABLY MORE OF A CLOSED CIRCUIT SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN HAVE SO MANY DAYS OF DATA TO LOOK AT.
SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE GO BACK AND THIS HAPPENED.
I THINK THAT'S YOUR BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK I'VE TALKED TO DAVE ABOUT IT, BUT I'LL CONFIRM THAT WITH HIM.
AND THEN YOU COULD REPORT BACK TO US.
JOHN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, UM, I KNOW MY HOUSE HAS AN ALARM, BUT LIKE IF, LIKE YOU, YOU CROSS THIS, SOME FARMERS HAVE THAT RAZOR, IT GOES ACROSS THE ENTRANCE OF THEIR, THEIR FARM, AND IT GO, IT BEEPS IN THE HOUSE, SO YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S COMING DOWN THE LANE.
WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? SO WE KNOW AFTER DARK, THERE'S SOMEONE'S GOING IN THESE AMENITIES AFTER DARK? IT COULD BE, UH, I MEAN, I MEAN, QUESTION MARK.
I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA WORRY ABOUT WHO'S MONITORING THAT AND WHO, WHO'S GETTING THAT ALARM AND WHO'S, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE, THE, THE WORRY IN IT.
[01:55:01]
I WILL HIRE SOMEBODY BEFORE I LET THAT HAPPEN.BUT THERE'S AN ALARM COMPANY THAT WOULD SIT THAT MAKE IT, CALL IT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED, SARAH AND I HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS TODAY AND, AND STAFF ABOUT MAYBE EVEN SOME, YOU KNOW, GATE ACCESS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, TO WHERE IT IS GATED COMPLETELY WHERE YOU CAN'T DRIVE VEHICLES INTO THOSE AREAS.
SO YEAH, WE, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO WE HAVE A PLAN MOVING FORWARD, RIGHT? EVERYONE? INFORMATION BACK TO TONY ON THE 10TH.
[ Public Facility Use Policy * Public Facility Use Policy]
THREE E, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC FACILITY USE POLICY.AND WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC FACILITY.
USE PAUSE BEFORE WE GO TO THE CITY CODE AMENDMENTS.
UH, THAT'S ME AGAIN, SO I'M BACK BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT WITH THE PUBLIC FACILITY USE POLICY AND THE CORRESPONDING ANNUAL FEE SCHEDULE.
I DID TAKE SOME QUESTIONS OVER THIS, UM, AND I BELIEVE ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN RECTIFIED.
THERE WAS ONE, UM, BROUGHT UP LAST TIME ABOUT, UM, HAVING THE SCHOOLS LUMPED IN WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
SO THAT HAS REMAINED THE SAME.
AND I HAVE SHORED UP ALL OF THE PRICES AS SOME OF THE MATH WAS A LITTLE OFF.
SO ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION ON IT? ANYONE? DON I WOULD JUST SAY YOU INCORPORATED EVERYTHING, UM, UH, THAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, I HAD ASKED SARAH, UH, TO, TO, TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE ORDINANCE ON, UH, AMEN TO CITY COACH CHAPTER 9 43, WHICH IS THE PARK.
SO WHEN WE'RE ADOPTING A POLICY SUCH AS THIS TO GET IT CODIFIED, UH, INTO THE CITY CODE, UM, WHICH THE PREVIOUS POLICY ALREADY WAS, WE HAVE TO, UH, HAVE THAT SUPPLEMENTAL ORDINANCE TO MAKE THOSE, UH, CODIFICATION CHANGES.
SO, UH, SHE TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME UPDATES TO, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER CODE, UH, ELEMENTS THAT DEALT WITH, UH, THE CITY PARKS AND TO, UH, KIND OF MAKE THAT ALL CONSISTENT.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST A COMPANION PIECE TO THE, UH, PUBLIC FACILITY USE POLICY.
AND I DO HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, AND I THINK, UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME BY SOMEBODY WHO RUNS THE, UH, THE SUMMER PE PROGRAM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF GOING THROUGH THIS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT A, A, A REASONABLE RESPONSE BACK TO THEM.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, THEY HAVE, SO DURING PART OF THEIR SUMMER GYM, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T GO IN ALL THE TIME, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, A LOT OF KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL TAKE GYM OVER THE SUMMER RATHER THAN TAKING STANDARD PE ALL YEAR LONG.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS ACTUALLY INTRODUCE PICKLEBALL TO A LOT OF THOSE STUDENTS IN THE SUMMER GYM PROGRAM AND EVERY TIME.
SO IT, IT IS ONLY A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE SUMMER THEY'RE DOING THAT, BUT EVERY TIME THEY'VE GONE OVER TO CLOUD PARK, THOSE FACILITIES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PACKED AND THEY'RE BEING USED.
SO THE QUESTION WAS POSED, IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE SOME TIME FOR SUMMER GYM WHERE SOME OF THOSE KIDS CAN GO OVER THERE AND, AND HAVE USE OF THOSE COURTS? SO, AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, YEAH, THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS DISCUSSION
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION HERE IN ABOUT THE NEXT WEEK.
SO SHOULD BE GLAD ALEX LEFT
SO IT'S REAL EASY FOR THE SUMMER GYM TEACHER FACILITATOR TO TAKE THOSE KIDS OVER THERE, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS SO PACKED THEY CAN NEVER USE THEM.
SO I, I SAID, I SAID I WOULD ASK, I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW WE DIVIDED THAT POLICY UP OR WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WHO GETS FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, THAT KIND OF THING.
OR IF IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO TELL 'EM WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE SOME WAY TO, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A FULL YEAR THING.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SUMMER GENERAL ONLY LASTS ABOUT SIX WEEKS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SUMMER GYM PROGRAMS. MAYBE IT'S JUST ONE THAT GOES, TAKES PLACE OVER A SIX WEEK PERIOD OF THE SUMMER.
BUT CAN THANK YOU, MAYOR, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT PEOPLE COULD SCHEDULE ON OUR WEBSITE PICKLEBALL? LIKE, I WANT, I WANT COURT A FROM 10 TO 12, AND I WANT, THERE WOULD BE FOUR OF US, AND THEY WOULD KIND OF TELL, NOT THAT WE'RE CHARGING THEM, BUT LIKE, JUST SO WE KNOW, LIKE IF THE GYM TEACHER WENT ON, HE KNOW, OH, IT'S SCHEDULED, BUT I CAN, I HE COULD PUT ON HIS, THE RESERVE, THE COURTS.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE A SOFTWARE FOR THAT CAPACITY.
I AM LOOKING INTO ONE, UM, HOPEFULLY TO HAVE, BEGINNING TO BUILD IT OVER WINTER FOR USE NEXT YEAR.
[02:00:01]
SCHEDULING OF FACILITIES LIKE THAT.UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE, THESE SCHOOLS WOULD BE ABLE TO RESERVE TENNIS COURTS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ALL OF THAT.
AND IT CONTINUES IN HERE, UM, WITH SOME MODERATE PRICING.
IF THE DESIRE IS THAT THE SCHOOLS WOULD HAVE THAT SPACE FOR FREE, THAT IS WHAT I AM ACCUSTOMED TO HAVING COME FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SCHOOLS IS QUITE THE SAME HERE.
UM, AND SO I WOULD NEED YOUR INPUT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT LEVEL OF OF USE DO WE IMPART TO THE SCHOOLS OVER OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS.
AND, UM, I DID HAVE THEM SEPARATED OUT AS THEIR OWN CATEGORY B IN THE ORIGINAL, UM, FACILITY POLICY.
AND THEN UPON RECOMMENDATION, THEY WERE LUMPED IN WITH ALL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD STILL NEED A LITTLE BIT OF ADVISEMENT ON.
IT'S ALSO BEEN COMMONPLACE IN MY CAREER THAT JUST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT SEEKS A, UM, CERTIFICATE OF LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT COVERS THE SCHOOLS.
IF THE SCHOOLS SEEK ONE THAT COVERS THE CITY, AND WE JUST GET THOSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
SO IF SOMETHING COMES UP AND HEY, WE NEED AN AUDITORIUM, OR HEY, WE NEED A PICKLEBALL COURT, THEN WE'RE JUST, WE KNOW WE'RE GOOD FOR THE YEAR.
UM, AND SO THAT PART OF THE INSURANCE POLICY, I DO BELIEVE SHOULD STILL STAND, BUT WE CAN GO ABOUT IT IN A MORE RELATIONAL WAY AND NOT ONE OFF NAMINGS.
EVERY TIME A PE TEACHER WANTS TO BORROW A PICKLEBALL COURT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GET RESOLVED FOR THIS SUMMER SESSION FOR, FOR PE, BUT, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY DO WHEN THEY GO BOWLING, MINIATURE GOLFING, THEY DID ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO I THINK SHE JUST BROUGHT UP A COUPLE, A COUPLE TIMES THAT THEY WENT OVER THERE TRYING TO UTILIZE 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, THERE, THERE JUST, THERE WASN'T ANY, THERE WASN'T ANY SPACE.
SO, UM, I JUST TOLD HER I WOULD, I WOULD BRING THAT UP AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION TO SEE.
SO I DON'T, I, I DON'T FORESEE IT BEING SOMETHING, AN EVERYDAY USE DURING THE COURSE OF THAT TIME, BUT MAYBE TWO OR THREE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE SIX WEEKS, THEY PLUGGED THAT INTO THEIR SCHEDULE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
DOC, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT IN READING, UH, THE, THE USE POLICY THAT YOU PUT FORWARD IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE SCHOOL AS IT IS, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE SCHOOL COULD RESERVE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR AUGUST, UM, 11TH AT FROM 10:00 AM TO 1:00 PM UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY.
CAN'T, UH, UNDER THE ONE, NOT THIS ONE, BUT THE CURRENT POLICY, YEAH.
TO RESERVE OUR ATHLETIC FACILITY.
UM, IT, WE WOULD STILL NEED THE INSURANCE AND UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE FEE, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DIRECTOR TO WAIVE OR NOT.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST MORE COMMUNICATION EDUCATION TO THEM ON WHAT PROCESS MAY NEED TO TAKE PLACE.
I I THINK THEY COULD SAY, HEY, WE WANT RESERVE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR THESE DAYS AT THESE TIMES.
AND, UH, IT, IT WORKS UNDER THE SCENARIO.
ANY OBJECTIONS MOVING THIS ON TO THE NEXT, UH, MEETING FOR ADOPTION? THERE'D ACTUALLY BE TWO ITEMS, A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE.
UM, SO, UH, WE, I THINK THE ORDINANCE COULD GO TO TWO READINGS, UM, BEFORE ADOPTION.
AND THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE POLICY WOULD JUST OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE ONE READING.
SO FIRST, SO ONE READING ADOPTION FOR THE, THE USE POLICY AND THE CODE AMENDMENTS WOULD BE, UH, ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE AND REVIEW, AND THEN A SECOND READING.
[ BWC Insurance Renewal]
WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IS, UH, ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE VWC INSURANCE RENEWAL.SO THIS IS MY ANGEL LEGISLATION FOR WORKERS' COMP.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN INVITED BACK INTO THE GROUP RETROSPECTIVE RATING PROGRAM, AND THAT'S WITH THE OHIO ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC TREASURERS FOR 2025.
UM, OF COURSE THEY DON'T HAVE RATES UNTIL OCTOBER, BUT THEY'VE ESTIMATED OUR RATE OR PREMIUM TO BE THIS YEAR IS $227,000, 227, 600 $7,000.
SO OUR CLAIMS ARE DOING REALLY WELL.
UM, THE LEGISLATION WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO GO INTO THIS, UM, GROUP WITH THE OHIO ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC TRE TREASURERS.
AND IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE OUR TPA SERVICES WITH, UM, SEDGWICK.
SO SEDGWICK IS OUR TPA THAT BASICALLY MANAGES OUR CLAIMS AND MAKES SURE WE'RE ON TRACK WITH, UM, MEDICAL CLAIMS PAYING OUT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND KIND OF GIVE US GUIDANCE IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS OR ISSUES.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON MONDAY WITH THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE BOTH OF THESE.
[02:05:01]
ONE LE ONE LEGISLATION TO GO INTO THE GROUP RETRO AND TO CONTINUE WITH THE TPA.ANY QUESTIONS? OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ City Liability Insurance Renewal]
IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS OUR CITY LIABILITY INSURANCE RENEWAL.UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR TWO GENTLEMEN SITTING BACK HERE, BEING PATIENT
THEY ARE FROM OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, OUR AGENT, I SHOULD SAY MARSHA MCLENNAN, UH, MR. MARK REYNOLDS, AND MR. SCOTT EGGERS.
UM, SO THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY OF, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE, SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE TO WELCOME.
WE HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND I KNOW SEVERAL, MAYBE NOT HAVE MET EITHER ONE OF THEM.
UM, SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE NICE TO BRING THEM IN THIS EVENING.
SO THIS IS ALSO ANNUAL LEGISLATION WE BRING BEFORE YOU.
UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH MARSHA MCLENNAN FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK, SINCE BEFORE I WAS HERE.
THEY, AND IT'S BEEN A FANTASTIC WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT OUR OVERALL INCREASE THIS YEAR FOR, FOR LIABILITY INSURANCE, IT'S ONLY 4.6%.
SO THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THEM.
SO I WANT TO THANK THEM SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE.
UM, SO THE 4.6% IS A RENEWAL WITH OUR CURRENT CARRIER, WHICH IS SELECTIVE INSURANCE.
UM, THAT'S BASICALLY FOR ALL OF OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE, PROPERTY AND CASUALTY.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA KEEP WITH TRAVELERS ON THE CRIME PORTION.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP BOTH OF THOSE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD ON A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE, UM, GOING WITH SELECTIVE AND TRAVELERS.
YEAH, SO THE RESOLUTION WILL BE FOR 360 6 9 23.
THAT IS FOR THE TOTAL OF CRIME AND THE, UM, PROPERTY AND CASUALTY ALTOGETHER.
AND THEN ON THE RESOLUTION ALSO, SO YOU SAW IN THE PACKET IT WAS BLANK.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING YET, SO I WANTED TO HAVE EVERYTHING BEFORE I BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO YOU.
SO WE'LL HAVE THAT PLUS THE 25,000, WHICH INCLUDES IT'S ANY PREMIUM DEDUCTIBLES THAT WOULD, WOULD COME ACROSS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES WITH AUTOMOBILE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A CRASH THAT WE HAVE TO GET A DEDUCTIBLE FOR, OR PROPERTY DAMAGE OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTION AND I JUST ROUNDED UP, UM, TO NOT, TO EXCEED $392,000.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND WE CONTINUE WITH SELECTIVE AND TRAVELERS AT THAT AMOUNT FOR NEXT, FOR NEXT YEAR.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, JULY 11TH IS A RENEWAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MARK? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT.
UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND KATIE, YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB WITH ALL THIS.
AND, AND I KNOW SHE WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR HELP.
SAYING THAT WE'LL MOVE THIS ON TO MONDAY.
[ New City Governance Center - Phase I - Award Contract]
H, WHICH IS THE NEW CITY GOVERNANCE CENTER, PHASE ONE.UH, THE LEGISLATION IS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW GOVERNANCE CENTER.
UH, THIS PROJECT WAS BID OUT BY THE ARCHITECT, WHICH IS LW C ARCHITECTS.
AND, UH, I'M KIND OF HANDLING IT THROUGH FOR THE COUNCIL.
UM, THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT IS TO CONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE BUILDING SHELL AND THE INTERIOR OF THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, WE RECEIVED THREE BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE BID TABULATION YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, THE THREE BIDDERS, UH, WERE ARCON BUILDERS AT $6,638,200.
BAL CONSTRUCTION AT $7,028,000.
AND GRAY B AT 7,073,000, $8,050.
THIS WAS FOR THE BASE BID OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
WITH THAT, UH, THE, THE BIDS WERE REVIEWED BY LWC, AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED TO US TO AWARD THIS PROJECT TO ARCON, WHICH IS THE LOW BIDDER, UH, ARCONS, UM, BUILDERS, UH, THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN ARKANA AND THEY HAVE DONE MANY PROJECTS, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, PROJECTS IN THE DAYTON AREA.
UH, THE NOT TO EXCEED FOR THIS AMOUNT OF WORK IS 7,300,000 AND IS FUNDED, UH, THROUGH THE CAPITAL FUND.
NANCY RUS, YOU SAID THIS IS FOR THE SHELL AND INTERIOR OF THE GOVERNANCE CENTER? THE GOVERNANCE CENTER, IT'S FOR THE HALF OF THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS THE HALF, THAT'S GONNA BE THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND, UH, UH, ALL OF THE REST OF THE AREA THAT HAS OFFICES FOR TONY AND THINGS.
THE OTHER HALF IS BEING LOOKED AT BY THE ARCHITECT RIGHT NOW TO, UH, RELAY IT OUT, WHICH WAS GONNA BE, THE SENIOR CENTER IS NOW GONNA BE THE REST OF THE, UM, I GUESS OUR OFFICES AND THINGS ON THE OTHER HALF.
OH, STAFF OFFICES? STAFF OFFICES, YES.
BECAUSE THE, THE TITLE UP THERE STILL SAYS IN SENIOR CENTER.
UH, YEAH, THAT'S, OUR ARCHITECT HAD THAT ON THERE.
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THAT GETS TAKEN OFF.SO THAT PART ISN'T GOING TO BE BUILT OUT UNTIL, YEAH.
SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF, UH, UNDERTAKING THE SPACE PLANNING EXERCISE, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE OFFICE, UH, LAYOUTS FOR THE STAFF THAT WILL BE MOVING OVER THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE ARCHITECTS.
THE ONLY CHANGE ORDERS THAT ARE GONNA BE NECESSARY WOULD BE REALLY WINDOW PLACEMENT.
UH, AND THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE WHAT'S BEING BID TODAY.
UM, SO WE ARE PLANNING TO MEET WITH THE, THE ARCHITECT PROBABLY IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO FINALIZE THAT SPACE PLANNING EXERCISE SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE EXTRA WINDOWS THAT ARE GONNA BE NEEDED ORDERED AND, AND SUCH.
WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO BUILD? IT'S ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND THEY ARE READY TO START ON TUESDAY.
UM, THEY'RE ITCHING TO GET MOVING.
WE'RE ITCHING FOR THEM TO DO IT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO MONDAY? OKAY.
[ Thomas Cloud Park Walking Paths – Contract Modification – Booher Blacktop]
THREE I, WHICH IS THE TOM CLOUD PARK WALKING PASS, THE CONTRACT MODIFICATION WITH BREWER BLACKTOP.UH, BREWER BLACKTOP, UH, DID THE PAVING OF THE WALKING PASS OUT OF TOWN CLOUD PARK.
THEY DID FINISH, UH, LAST WEEK BEFORE THE, UH, THE EVENT.
AND, UM, THE REASON I'M HERE IS THAT WE DID HAVE TO DO AN INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT FOR $15,500.
UM, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS ROUGHLY 230,000.
WE HAD A NOT TO EXCEED OF 253,000.
UM, WE HAD USED THAT PLUS THIS 15,000 'CAUSE WE HAD THREE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE HAD DURING THE REPAVING PROCESS.
UH, THE FIRST BIGGER THING WAS, UH, IF YOU SEE THE MAP THAT I ENCLOS ENCLOSED IN THERE, IT WAS VERY HARD TO COME UP WITH THE EXACT AMOUNT OF ASPHALT THAT WAS GONNA BE NEEDED.
AND WE HAD TO ASSUME A, A, A WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT OF THE ASPHALT, AND IT VARIED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE NUMBER WAS OFF.
WE, THIS WAS BASED OFF THE TONS OF ASPHALT THAT WAS USED.
AND THEN WE DID, UH, PAVE THREE ADDITIONAL SMALL PATHS THAT YOU, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THEM ON THE MAP.
THAT DIDN'T SH THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE ORIGINAL BID.
AND THIRDLY, UH, THE THICKNESS OF THE PATH AS WE WENT THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A LOT OF DIPS THAT WE HAD TO FILL IN EXTRA ASPHALT, SO THAT WAS PROBABLY MINIMAL.
BUT IT ALSO INCLUDED THAT, UM, THIS, UM, PROJECT WAS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR $80,000.
UH, SO THIS IS A INCREASE OF 15,500 AND IT'S COMING OUT OF THE PARKS AND REC FUND.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
UM, RUSS, THIS DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THIS, BUT, UM, IT'S BEEN NOTED THAT THE WALKING PATH AROUND THE DOG PARK IS VERY UNEVEN.
CAN SOMEBODY GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? YEAH, I THINK, UH, I KNOW MIKE'S, THE STREET DEPARTMENT HANDLES THAT AREA.
I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE LATELY TO SEE THAT, BUT I'LL HAVE A LOOK AT IT.
[ Well PW-7 Installation - Solicit Bids ]
J, WHICH IS THE WELL FOR PW SEVEN INSTALLATION AND SOLICITING THOSE BIDS ACROSS.UH, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO GO OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BIDS FROM QUALIFIED DRILLING COMPANIES FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEW WATER SUPPLY.
WELL AT, UH, THE GRIP WRAP ROAD WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AND THIS IS IN THE, UH, THE MAP IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE NEW WELL, UM, AND THIS IS ON THE NEWLY ACQUIRED LAND THAT THE CITY PURCHASED LAST YEAR.
UM, THE, UH, THE MAP, THE COMPANY THAT'S DOING THE, UM, ENGINEERING ON THIS, UH, THEY LOOKED AT THE AQUIFER AND THEY FOUND THIS TO BE THE BEST SPOT.
THEY THINK THAT THIS WILL PRODUCE THE MOST AMOUNT OF WATER WHERE THEY SHOW THERE.
UM, THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE INSTALLATION.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA DRILL THE WELL.
AND THEN AFTER THEY DO THAT, THEY'LL COME BACK FOR A PHASE TWO, WHICH THEY NEED THE TO KNOW THE, UM, HOW GOOD OF A WELL IT IS TO DECIDE HOW BIG A, UH, PUMPS AND MOTORS TO USE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO COME BACK LATER.
UH, THIS ALSO WILL, UH, BE FOR, UH, INSTALLATION OF EARLY WARNING GROUNDWATER MONITORING WELLS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE EPA.
UM, WE EXPECT THIS TO BE ANOTHER HIGH PRODUCING, WELL SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE WE PUT IN.
AND, UH, WE NEED THIS TO GET UP TO THE FULL POTENTIAL OF OUR PLANT.
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TO GET THE FULL LEVEL OR FLOW THAT CAN COME OUTTA THE PLANT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ONE OF THE, THE HIGHEST PRODUCING WELL HAS TO BE ALL CONSIDERED OFFLINE TO GET THE ACTUAL, UM, MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FLOW.AND SO WE NEED THIS TO GET THAT.
UM, PHASE TWO, LIKE I SAID, INCLUDE A PUMP, UH, THE PUMP WELLHEAD APPARATUS AND PIPING INSTALLATION.
AND THAT'LL BE LATER THIS SUMMER.
UH, THE NOT TO EXCEED COST FOR THIS, UH, PORTION IS 650,000, AND THIS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE WATER FUND.
AND I WILL BRING THIS BACK AFTER WE BID, UH, BID IT IN NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US ON THIS? SCOTT? JUST A CLARIFICATION, WHAT'S A RED DOTTED LINE AROUND THAT MAP? YOU HAVE A 500 FOOT OFF THE HILL.
UH, THAT IS THE DISTANCE AROUND THE HARD FILL THAT WE CANNOT PUT A WELL IN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ 2025-2029 Capital Improvement Plan (CIP)]
WHICH IS THE 25 THROUGH 29 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, NEXT FEW ITEMS WILL BE, UM, MINE ON THE AGENDA.
AND, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO AT THE LAST WORK SESSION ABOUT THE, UH, 25 TO 29, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UH, I HAVE NOT, UH, SINCE THAT MEETING RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, COMMENTS FROM, FROM YOU OR ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADD? UH, I HAVE ADDED, UM, UH, ABOUT $630,000 TO THIS.
AND THAT WAS BASED ON, UM, SUBMISSIONS TO ME BY, UH, KRO, UM, UH, CHRIS LINDEMAN AT THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER, AND ALSO FROM, UH, OUR REPRESENTATIVE, UH, MATT DUNN AT, UH, MIMI MUSIC EVENT MANAGEMENT INCORPORATED.
UH, WHICH SURPRISINGLY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONS.
UM, THEY SAID IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO PLAN OUT MORE THAN THREE YEARS.
BUT THEY SAID THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF PAINTING THAT NEEDS DONE.
AND, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YOUR FINAL PACKET, UH, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE DETAILS SINCE IT REALLY IS JUST A PLAN.
IT'S NOT COMMITTING US TO ANYTHING.
UM, LIKE I SAID, UH, BETWEEN THE AQUATIC CENTER MUSIC CENTER ADDED ABOUT 630,000 TO WHAT I PRESENTED TO COUNSEL, AND THAT'S OVER FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
UM, UM, SINCE THE LAST TIME, SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED ON THE, UM, AGENDA FOR MONDAY NIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST THE TIMELINE FOR THE, UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE TAX BUDGET.
TAX BUDGET HAS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE JULY 15TH.
AND, UH, AND ACCORDING TO OUR CHARTER, UH, AFTER THE, UM, AFTER THE C AFTER THE C, SO, OKAY.
[ 2025 Tax Budget]
THE TAX BUDGET, WHICH IS ITEM THREE L.UH, AS YOU, UH, ARE ALL AWARE, UM, THIS IS, UM, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE, UH, TAX BUDGET IS SOMETHING I BRING TO YOU EVERY YEAR.
IT IS NOT A TRUE, UM, APPROPRIATION BUDGET THAT'LL COME IN THE FALL.
UH, BUT THE TAX BUDGET IS, UM, IT'S, UH, THE START OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.
IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, HAD DONE AWAY WITH A LONG TIME AGO.
UH, MIAMI COUNTY, SINCE WE'RE STRADDLING TWO COUNTIES, UH, STILL REQUIRES IT.
UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING ALSO ON THIS, WHICH I PUT IN THE AGENDA, TONY, UH, FOR MONDAY.
UM, I'LL BE ON VACATION NEXT WEEK, BUT I, I'LL GIVEN ALL THE, UH, UH, INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR JOHN TO, TO HANDLE ON MONDAY.
UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GENERATES A CERTIFICATE OF ESTIMATED RESOURCES FROM THE COUNTY AUDITOR.
SO WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET, UH, ON THE TAX BUDGET, IT, UH, IT LISTS ALL OF MY CURRENT ESTIMATES AS TO WHAT I BELIEVE EACH FUND WILL HAVE IN BALANCE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN, UM, VERY EARLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY EARLY FOR 2025, BUT, UH, UNDER THE COLUMN FOR OTHER SOURCES, THAT'S WHAT I ANTICIPATE ALL OF OUR REVENUE SOURCES TO BE IN 2025 AS OF TODAY.
AND, UH, THEN ON PAGE THREE, YOU HAVE A LISTING OF ALL OF OUR LONG-TERM DEBT.
AND SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE.
AND, UH, FINALLY ON THE LAST PAGE IS A LIST OF ALL OF OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TAX LEVEES.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, 10 LEVEES.
UH, FOUR OF THEM ARE POLICE AND SIX OF THEM ARE FIRE.
THOSE WERE ALL ESTABLISHED BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
AND SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE EFFECTIVE RATE ON THOSE IS, UH, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING, UH, WHAT WE DID BACK THEN, BUT WE'RE STILL COLLECTING, I THINK THE TOTAL IS ABOUT ABOUT $3 MILLION A YEAR ON THOSE PROPERTY TAX LEVIES.
BUT, UH, I HAVE TO GIVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION TO THE COUNTIES IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUND DOLLARS.
AND BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTIES, WE COLLECT
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ABOUT $650,000.AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS THAT WE PUT THIS THROUGH AT THIS EARLY, UH, TIMEFRAME.
AND THEN, UM, IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER TIMEFRAME, THE PROPERTY TAX LEVEES THAT I JUST DISCUSSED, THE 10 LEVEES, UM, THE COUNTY, EACH COUNTY WILL ESTIMATE FOR ME WHAT THEY BELIEVE WILL BE COLLECTED FROM THOSE LEVEES.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE, I'LL COME BACK TO COUNSEL IN SEPTEMBER, UM, AND, UM, AND ASK YOU TO APPROVE, UH, THOSE ESTIMATES.
AND SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL GET INTO, UM, SENDING OUT THE ESTIMATED BUDGETS TO, UH, TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THEY'LL, UH, SUBMIT THEIR REQUESTS AND THEN JOHN, AND I'LL SIT DOWN AND, UH, AND AARON AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL LOOK OVER ALL THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS AND SEE, UM, IF OUR, UH, REVENUES CAN TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE REQUESTS THAT COME IN, AND THAT'LL COME TO COUNCIL LATER IN THE YEAR.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
UM, JIM, SOME OF THESE LEVIES GO BACK TO 81.
WHEN DO THEY EXPIRE? THEY, THEY NEVER EXPIRE.
THEY'RE IN PLACE UNTIL COUNSEL WOULD, UH, BY ACTION, UM, UM, REMOVE THEM.
I THINK, I THINK THAT MIGHT ALSO REQUIRE A, A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE TOO, BUT THE COUNCIL WOULD'VE TO HAVE AN ELECTION TO DO THAT.
SO THEN THOSE ARE, SO THEN IT'S A AGGREGATE OF, OF THE MAXIMUM RATE.
UM, YOU ADD UP ALL THOSE, PARDON ME.
SO IT'S, SO REALLY THE, THE, UH, THE GENERAL FUNDS, THE FUNDS THAT ARE LEVIED THERE, IT'S AN AGGREGATE OF EACH ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, HUH? YES, THERE'S, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT GOES TO THE POLICE FUND, A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT GOES TO THE, UM, RIGHT FIRE FUND.
BUT EACH OF THOSE PARTICULAR LEVIES WOULD GO JUST TO POLICE FIRE, JUST TO FIRE THE POLICE.
AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, A PORTION THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
I THINK IT'S, UH, 1.5 MILLS, AND I'LL BRING THOSE NUMBERS BACK TO COUNSEL IN SEPTEMBER.
MARK, JIM, ARE THESE PROPERTY TAXES? YES.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S LISTED HERE? YES.
SO IF COUNCIL WOULD DO THEIR JOB, AND WE WOULD PUT THIS BEFORE THE VOTERS, AND THEY WOULD SURELY VOTE SOME OF THESE OFF, IF THEY WERE VOTED OFF, YOU KNOW, EXPIRE THEM, WOULD THAT LOWER THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX BURDEN? IT WOULD LOWER THE, UM, PROPERTY TAX BURDEN, BUT IT WOULD ALSO LOWER OUR TIF REVENUES AS WELL.
AND, AND WOULD IT, UH, ALSO, UM, REDUCE THE BURDEN OFF THE, UH, SENIOR POPULATION WHO LIVES ON FIXED INCOMES? UH, THAT WOULD BE A TRUE STATEMENT, YES.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY OUR CITY INCOME TAX.
I FORGET WHEN THE FIRST TIME I BROUGHT THAT UP IS, BUT COULD WE AS A GROUP, UM, MAYBE LEVY, UH, STAFF TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA AND WORK ON, OR BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US? SURE CAN.
I JUST, YEAH, I MEAN, I'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD THAT TO THE AGENDA AND KNOW WHAT THE EFFECTS OF THAT ARE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TO THE OVERALL BUDGET.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HOW WELL WE'RE DOING AS A CITY AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND, AND THE, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON AND REVENUES THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A PROPERTY TAX PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD WAY FOR US TO HELP HELP BACK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT OVERALL COST MIGHT BE TO THE SENIORS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY DON'T PAY, AS JIM SAID, OUR OUR CITY INCOME TAX.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HOUSE IS PAID FOR, THEY'RE STILL PAYING PROPERTY TAXES.
SO, UH, JOHN, IN, IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY INCOME TAX, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BALLOT AND ASK FOR A RENEWAL, THAT'S AN INCOME TAX.
SO, UM, A A SENIOR CITIZEN WHO, WHO DOESN'T WORK WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT? NO, SIR, CORRECT? NO, SIR.
THEY WOULD NOT BE PAYING ANYTHING.
AND IT'S JUST ON PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY WORKING AND EARNING INCOME.
IT'S NOT NO RETIREMENT INCOMES, NO PENSION INCOMES, NONE OF THAT'S AFFECTED.
SO, SO I WOULD SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S A WAY THAT WE COULD HELP OUR SENIORS.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT ALL DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN ATTRACT RESIDENTS AND, AND KEEP RESIDENTS.
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BOY, THAT WOULD BE A REPUTATION TO HAVE, WOULDN'T IT? OH, YEAH.UH, AND THEN WE COULD PROMOTE THAT TO THE SENIOR POPULATION.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE ALL SORTS OF CREATIVE WAYS THEY COULD SPEND THEIR MONEY RATHER THAN SPEND IT JUST ALL ON PROPERTY TAX.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF WORK ON THAT.
AND ABOUT HOW MANY OF THESE ARE THERE? HOW MANY ON THIS LIST? YEAH, ABOUT HOW MANY ARE THERE PROPERTY TAX LEVIES? THERE ARE 10.
AND DO SOME OF THEM NOT GENERATE THE MONEY THEY ONCE DID.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? GIMME A, A LESSON ON THAT.
I THINK IT JUST DEALS WITH WHAT THE PAST, WHAT THE, WHAT THE TAX RATE WAS VERSUS WHAT THE EFFECTIVE MILLAGE IS NOW.
BASED ON, I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO COLLECT THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DEDICATED TO THAT LEVY, BUT AS THE PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE AND MORE PEOPLE BUY AND EXPAND, THEY'RE STILL PAYING THAT TAX.
SO THE EFFECTIVE RATE LOWERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING COLLECTED OVERALL REMAINS THE SAME.
SO, AND IF WE TALK ABOUT TIFFS AND, AND MAYOR, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP BETTER WITH THIS, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TIFFS, IS IT THE EFFECTIVE RATE THAT WE'RE RECEIVING? UH, YES.
IT TIFF PROPERTY AND THAT IMPROVED VALUE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE, IS IT THAT NUMBER THAT WE'RE GETTING OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE? I, I BELIEVE IT IS, IT'S THE EFFECTIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE EFFECTIVE RATE AS THOSE THERE, A HOUSE BILL WAS PASSED LONG AGO, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, IT CHANGES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT CAN BE COLLECTED ON, ON ANY TAX LEVY THAT WAY.
SO AS YOUR POPULATION GROWS AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PAYING INTO IT, THE PERCENTAGE BECOMES LESS PER PERSON.
AND THAT, THAT IN ESSENCE IS WHAT THE EFFECTIVE RATE IS VERSUS WHAT THE ORIGINAL MILLAGE RATE WAS.
I I WAS JUST THINKING OF WAYS THAT WE COULD MAYBE HELP THE SENIORS.
RIGHT? SO I THINK IF, SO A 2.25 MILL WAS PASSED, YOU KNOW, BACK IN 1985, WE'RE STILL COLLECTING PROBABLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX ON THAT, BUT THAT EFFECTIVE RATE'S NOT 2.5 ANYMORE, 2.25, IT NOW MIGHT BE 1.2 BECAUSE THAT 1.2 GENERATES THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT 2.25 USED TO.
AND, AND WHEN WE PASS THIS INCOME TAX RENEWAL MM-HMM.
IS THAT FAIR TO, THAT'S A FAIR, THAT IS TRUE THING TO SAY, ISN'T IT? SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SENIORS NOT PAYING THE INCOME TAX AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING AND, AND DO PAY THAT AND, AND IF YOU PAY OUTSIDE THE CITY WHERE YOU WORK, DOES THAT LESSEN THE AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVE OFF THE INCOME TAX? YEAH.
SO IF, IF THESE MILLS, UM, ARE THE EFFECTIVE RATE, IF WE, IT'S NOT A ONE FOR ONE REDUCTION OF THE TIF FUNDS, AND THAT'S WHAT I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO.
WHEN, WHEN COUNSEL FIRST, UM, BROUGHT THAT UP, I BELIEVE MR. CAMPBELL BROUGHT THAT UP, UH, MAYBE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO.
UM, I ASKED SOME OF MY EXPERTS AS TO HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE, UH, TIF FUNDS.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, IF THERE'S MORE EARNEST DISCUSSION ON THAT, THEY WOULD LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER.
BUT, UH, IT DEFINITELY WOULD LOWER THE AMOUNT OF TIF FUNDS.
AND OF COURSE, WE'RE COUNTING ON THESE TIF FUNDS TO FUND A LOT OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
SO THAT, THAT DEFINITELY WOULD BE A CONCERN OF MINE.
AND IF IT WOULDN'T MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE TO, UH, A SENIOR'S INCOME, THEN YOU HAVE TO, I'M ALL FOR LOWERING THE BURDEN ON SENIORS A O
WELL, AND WE COULD BALANCE THAT WITH A, UM, AN INCREASE IN THE INCOME TAX WHERE THOSE THAT ARE WORKING, UH, AND, AND, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE LIVING OR WORKING HERE IN THE CITY, UM, WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, MAYBE COVER THE, UH, THE REVENUES THAT WOULD BE LOST BY THE, UH, SENIORS.
NOT, BUT YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD PASS.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU COULD TIE THEM TOGETHER ONE PAST IN THE OTHER YEAH.
WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER RIGHT ANSWER.
BUT NANCY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
MY PROPOSAL, I STILL WORK AND I MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL
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INCOME, SO I WOULD PAY THE INCOME TAX.SO I'M NOT THE SENIOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A JOB, DOESN'T HAVE A SALARY.
AND, AND YOU WOULD ALSO BENEFIT BY HAVING YOUR PROPERTY TAXES LOWER.
MY, MY VERY HIGH PROPERTY TAX
ISN'T IT HIGHER NOW? IT WAS LAST YEAR.
MAYOR, WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THE SCHOOLS? ARE WE TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE SCHOOLS? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT FOR THE PUBLIC? I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER, BUT YES, THAT WOULD, UM, OBVIOUSLY ALL PROPERTY TAX LEVIES, UM, THE SCHOOL ACTUALLY RECEIVES MORE MONEY THAN WE DO.
I, I WOULDN'T WANNA DAMAGE THAT.
ON AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT 68% I WANNA SAY.
I THINK I, I KNOW A DISCUSSION THAT I HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS.
I KNOW A DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AROUND THE SCHOOLS IS AN ACTUAL INCOME TAX VERSUS FUNDING THROUGH PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY TAX OR ALL OF IT ON PROPERTY TAX.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UH, IF, IF YOU DID SOMETHING FROM A PROPERTY TAX PERSPECTIVE OF, OF GETTING RID OF THAT, THEN I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS WHO WOULD PROBABLY VOTE FOR AN INCOME TAX.
YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GO TOWARD THE, THAT WOULD GO TOWARD THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T, IT'S THE SAME THING WE'RE TALKING HERE.
IT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR E EMS LEVIES THAT INCOME TAX DOESN'T AFFECT THEM.
SO IF THEY'RE PROPERTY, BUT, BUT IF A LOT OF SENIORS COMING OUT AND THEY VOTE NO ONE ON A SCHOOL FUNDING LEVY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY STUDENTS OR CHILDREN WITHIN THE SCHOOLS ANYMORE, AND THAT DIRECTLY HITS THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, WELL, IF THE PROPERTY TAX IS GETTING REDUCED, THEY'LL VOTE FOR AN INCOME TAX LEVY FOR THE SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND HAVE A, A DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOLS, INVOLVE THEM KIND OF IN ALL THAT AND, AND SEE HOW ALL THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK TO BEST BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, BEST BENEFIT EVERYBODY.
UM, I KNOW TYPICALLY, AS IN BETHEL, BETHEL HAS A, THEY HAVE AN INCOME TAX AT THEIR SCHOOLS AND A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE UP THERE, THEY APPROVE THAT.
AND YOU SEE AN INCOME TAX IN A LOT OF RURAL COMMUNITIES BECAUSE FARMERS DON'T WANNA PAY THE PROPERTY TAX ON A 500 ACRE FARM.
THEY'D MUCH RATHER PAY AN INCOME TAX.
SO THEY CAN REDUCE DOWN TO PRETTY MUCH NOTHING IF THEY'RE FARMING.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THOSE INCOME TAXES, UH, LEVIES ARE INCLUDED IN MORE RURAL COUNTIES AND TOWNSHIPS.
BUT I THINK IT'S JUST PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO THINK THROUGH HOW ALL THAT IS, HOW ALL THAT IS DONE.
BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAX IS WHAT'S FUNDING THE SCHOOLS HERE.
AND ANYTIME THEY NEED MORE MONEY, PEOPLE JUST AREN'T INTERESTED IN INCREASING THAT, THAT PROPERTY TAX.
'CAUSE THAT REALLY HITS THEM MORE THAN PROBABLY MAYBE WHAT, MAYBE WHAT AN INCOME TAX EVEN WENT.
AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT WHO WOULD VOTE FOR IT, ISN'T THERE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT STILL HAPPENS.
ISN'T THERE A PROGRAM THAT THE COUNTY HAS ABOUT, IF YOU'RE PAST 65 YEARS OF AGE AND YOU'RE CERTAIN INCOME AND YOU DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAX AND EVERYTHING YEAH.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY HOUSES THAT AFFECTS HERE IN HUBER? THAT, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE NUMBER OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD, HOW MUCH IS THAT, ANITA? HOW, HOW MUCH DOES A SENIOR SAVE? I, I HAVE NO CLUE.
IT'S THE FIRST, THE HOMESTEAD IS ONLY ON THE FIRST $30,000 VALUE ASSESSED.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY IN HUBER MIGHT AND YOU BE INVOLVED IN THAT OR NOT INVOLVED, AND HOW MUCH WE WOULD BE TALKING HERE.
HIRE SENIORS AND WE'RE PAYING A BOATLOAD OF PROPERTY.
WELL, I KNEW IT WAS BASED OFF OF LIKE YOUR INCOME LEVEL AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE YET.
SO I NEVER REALLY RESEARCHED THAT YET.
SO, UM, JUST WAS CURIOUS HOW THAT MIGHT COME INTO PLAY WITH ALL OF THIS.
I CAN CONTACT MY CONTACTS AT THE COUNTY AND, AND SEE IF THEY COULD PROVIDE ME WITH SOME NUMBERS ON THAT.
MARK, JIM, WHERE DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY COME FROM? THAT'S IN OUR GENERAL FUND? WELL, THE, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOURCES.
UH, THE PRIMARY WOULD BE, UH, INCOME TAX.
NUMBER TWO, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.
IS ANY OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY SUBSIDIZED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? ABSOLUTELY.
IS THE PROPERTY TAX DIRECTED EARMARKED TO PUBLIC SAFETY? YES.
SO OUR PROPERTY TAX THAT WE COLLECT ISN'T EVEN ENOUGH TO SUPPORT AND FUND ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.
E EVEN OUR INCOME TAX AND PROPERTY TAX GOING DIRECTLY TO POLICE AND FIRE IS NOT ENOUGH TO FUND THOSE.
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TAKING GENERAL FUND MONEY AND WE'RE SUBSIDIZING PUBLIC SAFETY.THERE'S GOTTA BE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE, MAYOR, TO REALIGN AND READJUST THIS.
AND I THINK ONE PLACE IT WOULD BEGIN IS TO TAKE ALL OF THESE LEVIES, ARE THEY CALLED? MM-HMM.
AND START TO LOOK AT THOSE AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, I SOUND ENTHUSIASTIC ENOUGH WHERE STAFF NOW WILL LOOK AT IT AND BRING IT BACK.
YOU WITH ME? SO I, I'VE BEEN AS ENTHUSIASTIC TONIGHT AS I POSSIBLY CAN.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE FOURTH TIME I'VE BROUGHT IT UP, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
UM, THE SCHOOLS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PASS AN OPERATING LEVEE FOR HOW LONG? 2006.
SO JUST THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE REVISITED AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD START.
AND ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT AND HELP OUR SENIORS, WE SHOULD.
AND IF WE'RE RENEWING, UH, INCOME TAXES, THAT IS GOING TO GENERATE JOHN, HOW MUCH ANNUALLY OR, OR DURING THE LIFE OF THAT PERIOD? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON EACH ONE.
LIKE, UM, I THINK MY CURRENT ESTIMATE IS, UM, ABOUT 2.5, $2.7 MILLION ON THE NEXT QUARTER PERCENT.
THAT WOULD COME UP PER YEAR TO BE RENEWED PER YEAR? YES.
SO 27 MILLION AND THESE LITTLE BITTY PROPERTY TAX LEVIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOME OF THEM WON'T GENERATE NEAR THAT MUCH.
ALL OF THE PROPERTY TAXES TOGETHER, I, I THINK ABOUT $2 MILLION.
SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IN TRYING TO GET SOMETHING PASSED AND WE COULD SAVE AND HELP THE SENIORS, WE SHOULD AND STILL GET THE ENTIRE JOB DONE.
AND, AND MAYBE WE DON'T HELP 'EM AS MUCH AS WE HOPE TO BY THE END, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A MODEL IN PLACE TO START.
NO, I, I'M, I'M START SOMEWHERE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FOREVER AND NEVER DO ANYTHING.
OR WE CAN PULL THE TRIGGER AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, MAYOR.
SO IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME, A LITTLE MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSION THEN WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAD TALKED TO AT THE COUNTY BEFORE REGARDING THAT AND THE TIF REVENUE AND KINDA WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THEN, UM, WE'LL CERTAINLY ADD THIS TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION TOPIC AND, AND DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE MORE.
LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT INFORMATION.
I, WITH MY VACATION NEXT WEEK, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK, BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE IN AUGUST.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON THE AUGUST DONE BY US? AUGUST 6TH.
SO IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO BE PUT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.
MARK RENE RENEWING THE, NO, DIDN'T PULL 'EM OFF.
OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA PULL IT OFF.
YEAH, I'M NOT, I THOUGHT WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME MORE ON, BUT TAKE THESE OFF.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT I, THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO HAPPEN BY THE END OF JULY AND YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
AS WE'RE GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, WE WILL LOOK AT OPTIONS AND BRING, BRING SOME OPTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.
MAKE AND WILL NOT MAKE THIS, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE THIS NOVEMBER CYCLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, JIM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE, ON THE TAX BUDGET? UH, NO.
JUST THE, THE TAX BUDGET AND THE CIP ARE JUST RESOLUTIONS, SO THEY WOULD JUST REQUIRE ONE READING AND ADOPTION ON MONDAY NIGHT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.
[ Supplemental Appropriations]
WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTALS, JIM? UH, YES.UM, IN YOUR PACKET I INCLUDED, UM, A FEW ITEMS, UH, FOR THE, UM, NEXT BUDGET CHANGES THAT I RECOMMEND, AND THEN TONIGHT I HAVE, UM, UH, SOME, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, NEW ADDITIONS TO THAT.
SO LET ME GO WITH THE ONES THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET FIRST.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, $266,750,000, UM, I'M SORRY, $266,750 IN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE FIRE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT FUND.
WE'RE GONNA BEGIN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WORK ON RENOVATING STATION 23.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA ISSUE NOTES IN NOVEMBER FOR THAT WHOLE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN WORK, BUT RIGHT NOW WE NEED THE DESIGN WORK.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET.
AND, UM, AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING, WHICH WE DID LAST YEAR IN, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, ADVANCING THE DESIGN WORK FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO THE FIRE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
AND THEN WHEN WE DO THE NOTES IN NOVEMBER, THAT WOULD REIMBURSE, AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD REIMBURSE ANY ADVANCE THAT CAME FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
SO I'M ASKING FOR THAT NOW SO WE CAN, SO, UH, KEITH CAN GET THE, UM, RFP OUT FOR DESIGN WORK AND, AND GET THAT GOING, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
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THEN, UM, UM, TONY ROGERS HAS ASKED ME FOR, UH, $24,100 FOR CLOSED CAPTIONING SERVICES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING RECORDINGS.SO THAT'S ALSO IN THE, UM, ALMOST HALF THAT AMOUNT IS A ONE TIME COST FOR EQUIPMENT, AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE AN ANNUAL AMOUNT.
SO THE ANNUAL WOULD BE MAYBE 12,000 ANNUALLY, AND WE'LL JUST BUILD THAT INTO THE 25 BUDGET AND, AND BEYOND, UM, $160,000 ADDITIONALLY FOR, UH, LEGAL SERVICES FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2024.
AS YOU KNOW, WE, UM, CHANGED, UM, UH, LAW DIRECTORS THIS YEAR AND, UM, AND THERE'S, UM, ACTUALLY MUCH MORE WORK THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON, UH, THE NEW FIRM.
SO, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, AS YOU HEARD, THE CHART REVIEW.
AND, UM, AND SO I'M ASKING COUNSEL FOR AN ADDITIONAL 160,000 FOR THAT, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A COMPANION PIECE OF LEGISLATION FOLLOWING THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, DEALING WITH THAT AS WELL.
AND FINALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, THERE'S A POLICE FEDERAL EQUITY SHARING PROGRAM.
SO THESE ARE, UM, UM, MONIES THAT COME FROM, UM, UH, UM, PROGRAMS THAT, UH, LIKE, UH, FEDERAL SEIZURES, FORFEITURES, LIKE IF THERE'S A DRUG BUST, THERE MIGHT BE MONEY INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND SO WE GET COLLECTIONS OF THAT MONEY.
AND THEN PERIODICALLY I COME TO COUNSEL AND I SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT, UH, IN THIS CASE $25,621 THAT HAS COME IN, BUT WE HAVE NOT BUDGETED FOR THAT.
SO IN ORDER FOR THE POLICE TO BE ABLE TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, SAY ON, UH, UH, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SPEND POLICE RELATED, UM, I NEED TO BUDGET THAT FOR THEM.
SO IT'S ALREADY REVENUE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
SO THIS REALLY ISN'T IMPACTING THE BUDGET AT ALL.
IT'S, IT'S JUST RECOGNIZING REVENUES THAT HAVE COME IN.
AND SO IF WE INCREASE THE BUDGET, UH, THAT ALLOWS THEM TO SPEND IT, WE, THEY CAN'T SPEND IT UNTIL COUNCIL APPROVES, UH, APPROVING THAT.
AND THEN, AS I SAID, THERE IS, UM, WHEN I BROUGHT COUNCIL THE BUDGET IN JANUARY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COMPLICATIONS WE HAD WITH DELAYING IT UNTIL THE 24 BUDGET DIDN'T GET APPROVED UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY.
AT THAT TIME, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT I SAID THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF ALL OF OUR COMPLICATIONS, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT THE BUDGET NEEDED TO SPEND FOR DEBT, ALL OF OUR DEBT SERVICE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, IN NOVEMBER, WE, UM, ISSUED A LOT OF NOTES, WHICH ARE COMING DUE THIS NOVEMBER, AND WE'LL BE ISSUING NEW NOTES TO COVER THAT.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DONE A COUPLE LEASES SINCE THEN, FIRETRUCK, UH, LADDER LEASE AND A SEWER VAC TRUCK LEASE.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, UH, COME TO, UM, 21,560,000 SOUNDS LIKE A BIG NUMBER, BUT THAT'S ALL GONNA BE COVERED BY ISSUING ADDITIONAL NOTES THIS YEAR TO COVER NOT ONLY THE PRINCIPAL, BUT ALSO THE INTEREST THAT'LL BE COMING UP IN NOVEMBER.
SO EVEN THOUGH I'M ASKING COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE INCREASE IN THE BUDGET TO HANDLE ALL THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED THIS YEAR, UM, THERE WILL BE REVENUE SOURCES IN THE ADDITION OF NEW NOTES UNTIL WE GET ALL OF THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS COMPLETE, THEN WE CAN START DOING BONDS THAT WILL GO OUT 30 YEARS AND, UH, AND COVER THE DEBT SERVICE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE DOING SHORT TERM NOTES, AS I'VE SAID, AND OH, HOPEFULLY THE, UH, INTEREST RATES WILL START COMING DOWN.
I KNOW THE, THE NOTES THAT WE JUST ISSUED, AND, AND BY THE WAY, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, UH, I THINK IT WAS RUSS THAT BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE NEW, UH, GOVERNANCE CENTER.
UM, THOSE NOTES WILL BE, UM, UH, THE PROCEEDS OF THEM WILL BE COMING IN NEXT WEEK ON THURSDAY, UH, THE 11TH.
SO, UM, THERE'LL BE $15 MILLION COMING IN, 10 MILLION WILL BE DEVOTED TO THE GOVERNANCE CENTER.
5 MILLION WILL BE DEVOTED TO THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, THE NEXT TRANCHE OF MONEY NEEDED FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES.
YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF WORKS GETTING, UH, UH, STARTED ON THERE.
SO BETWEEN THOSE NOTES AND THE ONES IN NOVEMBER, THERE'S $10 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
SO, UM, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE AMOUNT.
I'M JUST ONLY COMING TO COUNCIL AS WE NEED IT.
AND SO, UH, I WOULD ASK FOR NOT ONLY THE, THE ONES THAT I PUT IN THE PACKET, BUT IN YOUR PACKET MONDAY, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THE OTHER ADDITIONS FOR THESE, UH, FOR THE DEBT SERVICE.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, ANITA, WHEN ARE WE LOOKING AT DOING WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT? UM, WAS ANY OF THAT IN THERE FOR THE, LIKE THE, THE BONDS FOR THE WATER MAIN? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THERE WAS, UM, UH, $5.8 MILLION OF THOSE NOTES IN NOVEMBER WAS, UH, DEVOTED TO THE WELL THAT, UH, RUSS WAS TALKING ABOUT AS WELL AS WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
I BELIEVE THE, UH, THERE WAS AT LEAST 2.8 MILLION OF THAT WAS, UH, WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT, UM, THAT WE, UH, ARE CURRENTLY IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF.
SO I THINK THE, THE, WELL, YEAH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE BONDING THEM OUT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE NOT BORROWING MORE MONEY THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY DESIGN AND GET IN THE GROUND AT ANY, ANY 18 MONTH PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT THAT'S, I THINK THE OVERALL PROCESS OF THAT WAS WE WERE GONNA USE THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ANNUALLY TO BE ABLE TO, TO USE THAT AS DEBT SERVICE
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ON THE BONDS.BUT THE ISSUE IS, EVEN IF WE'RE DOING THAT, I MEAN, IT'S 10 MILLION, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DESIGN AND PUT 10 MILLION WORTH OF PIPE.
I'M NOT GONNA COME TO COUNCIL WITH, UH, THE NEXT BORROW, BORROW MONEY.
WE CAN'T GET INTO THE GROUND UNTIL ALL THE DESIGN WORK'S BEEN FINISHED.
BUT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AS WE CAN GET IT DESIGNED AND THEN HAVE THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES OF PUTTING IT INTO THE, INTO THE GROUND, AND THEN BY NOT BORROWING THAT MONEY UNTIL WE NEED TO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING JUST SITTING OUT THERE THAT WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON, THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING.
AND IF I EARN INTEREST ON IT, THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ARBITRAGE ISSUE, WHICH OH, YEAH.
BUT THAT'S ALSO A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE'RE EARNING A LOT OF, WE'RE THAT SAME MONEY ON OTHER INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW.
NOPE, THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP AND YOU APPRECIATE IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND THEN I WOULD ASK FOR TWO READINGS ON THIS.
UH, WELL SUSPEND THE SECOND READING SO WE CAN, UH, APPROVE THIS TO, UM, TO GET WORKING ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WORK FOR THE, UH, STATION 23 IMPROVEMENTS.
SO YOU'RE ASKING TO WAIVE THIS, WAIVE THE SECOND ON WA THE SECOND RATING ON SUPPLE AND APPROVE THIS, UH, MONDAY NIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, DON.
JIM, IN THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UM, A NOT AN INCREASE IN THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, UH, FOR LEGAL SERVICES TO 250,000? CORRECT.
AND IN THIS AGENDA ITEM, YOU'RE, UM, BUDGETING FOR 160,000, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? WELL, THE D WE, WE ALREADY HAD MONEY IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR LEGAL SERVICES AND, UH, WE ARE NOW SPLITTING IT BETWEEN PICKLES, SHAFER, EBELING, AND COOL AND WALL, BECAUSE, UH, STARTED OF THE YEAR WITH PICKLES, SHAFER, WE STILL ARE PAYING SOME.
JUST THIS WEEK WE PAID ANOTHER, UH, BILL TO THEM FOR WORK THAT THEY'RE STILL CARRY OVER WORK.
AND SO, UM, PART OF THE REASON WITH, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE STARTED THE YEAR, WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE COOLIDGE WALL, AND SO THE, WE HAVE A LIMIT OF 75,000 FOR ANY ONE VENDOR.
AND SO THAT, UH, LIMIT WILL BE EXCEEDED.
AND SO, UM, I'M ASKING FOR A, A TOTAL OF 250 ON THAT ONE.
[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount – Coolidge Wall Co., L.P.A.]
AND NEXT IS, UH, THAT PARTICULAR ITEM THREE N THE INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR COOL ASWA COMPANY, LPA, UH, YES, IUM, SO AS YOU KNOW, ANY VENDOR, UM, THAT, UH, WE NEED TO SPEND MORE THAN $75,000 WITH, I HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, UH, EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, ACTUALLY THE END OF THE YEAR, UH, WE'LL HAVE LEGISLATION THAT LISTS ALL OF OUR VENDORS THAT WE EXPECT TO SPEND MORE THAN 75,000 SINCE THIS WAS DONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
UM, I'M COMING TO YOU NOW AND SAYING THAT I ANTICIPATE, UM, THAT WE WOULD, UH, NEED TO SPEND AS MUCH AS 250,000 WITH, UM, UH, COOLIDGE WALL.
AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE THAT A HIGH ESTIMATE.
WE MAY NOT END UP SPENDING THAT MUCH, BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL AGAIN IN OCTOBER.
UH, WITH, WITH ANOTHER REQUEST.
SO I'M JUST ESTIMATING ON WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS WITH THEM, THAT THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE'LL BE SPENDING FOR THE YEAR.
NEXT SAYS ITEM THREE OH, WHICH IS CASE RP 24 DASH 12.
CITY OF HUBBER HEIGHTS RECORD PLAN, THE VACATION OF MIDDLETON COURT.
UM, SO USUALLY I DON'T EVER SEE RECORD PLANS, BUT, UH, THIS IS, WE ARE VACATING, UM, MIDDLETON COURT FOR THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
IT'S REALLY JUST A PAPER, UM, UH, CUL-DE-SAC AT THE, AT THE MOMENT.
UM, BUT THIS, IT IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE COUNCIL DOES NEED TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE, VACATING THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
ONCE THAT ORDINANCE IS APPROVED, WE WILL THEN, UH, ON THE PLANNING SIDE FACILITATE THE, THE RE THE RECORD PLAN OF, OF, OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
UH, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE THERE'S A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UM, BUT UH, THERE'S REALLY NO HURRY.
AND THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND IT WILL BE BRIEF
ANY OBJECTION? WE LOVE BRIEF
SO TWO READINGS THEN AND NEXT, UH, WILL BE
[ Board And Commission Appointments * Citizens Water And Sewer Advisory Board - Appointment]
TONY FOR ITEM THREE P FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS FOR THE SITTER WA CITIZENS WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.WELL, SLOWLY BUT SURELY WE'RE FILLING ALL THESE VACANCIES.
SO, UH, THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT TO THE WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD.
UH, THE INTERVIEW PANEL RECOMMENDS THE APPOINTMENT OF EDWIN PETA CREW TO THIS BOARD FOR TERMINATING JANUARY 1ST, 2026.
AND THE NECESSARY, UH, BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN PROCESSED THROUGH HUMAN RESOURCES WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
WOULD REQUEST PUT THIS MOTION ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY.
[02:50:01]
MOVE THAT ON FORWARD.UH, THIS EVENING, THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, THIS EVENING.
SO WITH THAT SAID, IT IS 8 52 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.