Apr 10, 2024 Council Work Session

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ITEM NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UH, ITEM TWO A IS THE MARCH 19TH, 20, 24 MINUTES.

THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

EVERYONE.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? NOT THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

NOT SEEING ANY.

AND NEXT, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON TO, UH, TOPIC THREE, WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION.

AND WE'LL START WITH ITEM THREE A, SEE MAYOR'S REPORT, RICK, UH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT DEFERRING.

SO GO AHEAD AND, YEP.

I'LL DEFER UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL MONITORING SYSTEM, OR SYSTEM MONITORING AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

SO WE'LL JUST COMBINE THE S REPORT INTO THE ACTUAL, UH, COUNCIL MEETING AT THE, UH, AT OUR 6:00 PM MEETING.

[ Traffic Signal System Monitoring - Award Contract]

RUSS? YEAH, YOU'RE UP.

UH, THIS LEGISLATION ALLOWS US TO ENTER A CONTRACT WITH TEC ENGINEERING TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING SERVICES TO CREATE A CENTRALLY BASED TRAFFIC SYSTEM MONITORING TRAFFIC SIGNALS ALONG TROY PIKE.

UH, THIS MONITORING WORK ON OLD TROY PIKE WILL RUN FROM POWELL ROAD TO SHOAL ROAD, WHICH IS 13 SIGNAL IN INTERSECTION.

UH, THE MAIN REASON FOR THE SERVICE IS TO DETECT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ON OLD TROY PIKE QUICKER, AND TO PROVIDE A FASTER REACTION TIME TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS. UH, TC IS A CONSULTING FIRM WE USE FOR MANY YEARS TO DESIGN PROJECTS AND STUDIES ON OLD TROY PIKE, ALONG WITH, UH, DOING SIGNAL TIMING ALONG THE ROADWAY.

AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN CURRENTLY DOING THIS TYPE OF MONITORING ON ROADS IN MASON AND IN BUTLER COUNTY.

UH, THE SCOPE OF THEIR SERVICES, UH, IS IN YOUR PACKET.

AND, UH, IT, UH, UH, IT IS FOR A COMPLETE FIELD INSPECTION OF THE EXISTING SIGNALS UPGRADING THE NECESSARY EQUIPMENT ALONG WITH SOFTWARE AND A SERVER, UH, TO, FOR THAT, UH, PROJECT.

UM, IT'S ALSO TO CONFIRM, UH, THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS BETWEEN ALL THE TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS AND TO PROVIDE OPERATIONAL SERVICES FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR.

UH, THE TOTAL COST FOR THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME IS 180,000, BUT THIS INCLUDES TWO ONE-TIME EXPENSES.

UH, ONE OF 'EM OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE ESTIMATED EQUIPMENT UPGRADES OR REPLACEMENTS.

AND, UH, 43,800 FOR, UH, THE SOFTWARE FROM SENTRA AND, UH, THEIR SERVICES.

ALONG WITH THAT, UH, A REOCCURRING YEARLY FEE IS ESTIMATED FOR THIS YEAR AT 36,200 FOR MONITORING TIMES SIGNAL TIMING AND PROBLEM ASSESSMENTS.

UH, SO THE SECOND YEAR AND FUTURE YEARS OF THIS MONITORING, UH, AND THE MAINTENANCE FEES ARE ESTIMATED AT ROUGHLY 30 TO 40,000 A YEAR.

SO, UH, THERE'S A BIG UPFRONT COST, BUT THEN YEARLY AFTER THAT FOR THE MONITORING WILL GO DOWN TO 30 TO 40,000.

UH, AS I STATED, THE ESTIMATED COST IS 180,000 WITH THE NOT TO EXCEED OF 200,000.

UH, AND THE PROJECTS IS FUNDED THROUGH THE GAS TAX FUND.

UM, MIKE HAFNER FROM TEC ENGINEERING IS HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS, RUSS.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FOR RUSS OR TEC? YES, NANCY GOT ONE QUESTION.

UM, RUSS, I, I SUSPECT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE, UM, TRAFFIC, THE CONGEST CONGESTION AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN 2 0 2.

UM, IS THERE A, A PL UH, FLASH POINT AT WHICH WE WOULD ASSESS DOING SOMETHING, SOMETHING SIMILAR ON 2 0 1? UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MIKE, CAN YOU SAY WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SETTING UP BRENT PIKE KIND.

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SO WE ARE, UH, OUR INITIAL LICENSEES WE'RE BUYING ARE 25.

THAT'S THE MINIMUM THEY'RE GONNA LET US BUY.

UM, SO THAT'LL COVER A PORTION OF BRAND, UH, ONCE WE GET THERE.

BUT FOR NOW, WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON OLD TROY.

'CAUSE THAT'S THE, THE CRITICAL CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW.

BUT ONCE WE HAVE THE SYSTEM SET UP, THAT'LL JUST BE A MATTER OF DECIDING IF THE CITY WANTS TO EXPAND, UH, TO OTHER CORRIDORS.

BUT THE, THE CORE WILL BE THERE, THE SOFTWARE WILL BE THERE, IT'LL BE READY TO BE EXPANDED TO THE OTHER CORRIDORS.

SO THEN IF, IF, AND WHEN WE DO THAT, THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FEE THAT OUR, THE 36,200 WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

JUST TO START ON 2 0 2.

2 0 1.

NO, I, I THINK THE 30 WOULD BE FULL SYSTEM.

OH REALLY? 'CAUSE THAT A LOT OF THAT IS AS NEEDED COST.

BASED ON PROBLEMS THAT ARE FOUND.

UM, IT'S NOT JUST A SET FEE.

SURE.

OH, WELL THAT'S WONDERFUL.

THE SET FEE IS JUST THE SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RELATIVELY LOW.

ONE THING, IF WE DO GRANT, THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE EQUIPMENT.

WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE EQUIPMENT UPGRADE STAGE AGAIN.

SURE.

JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR, UH, HOPEFULLY WITH TROY.

THANKS NANCY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, DON.

UH, MIKE OR ROSS, JUST BRIEFLY, UH, FOR PEOPLE LISTENING IN OR PEOPLE SITTING HERE, WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE THE TAXPAYERS GETTING OUT OF THIS? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT? TELL ME THE WAIT, GO AHEAD.

YOU GO.

I MEAN, SO THIS IS THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP IN JUST GETTING THE SIGNAL SYSTEM UP TO STANDARD REALLY TO MATCH WITH OTHER CITIES.

UM, BUT IT'S GONNA ALLOW THE CITY AND RUSS TO BE A LOT MORE REACTIVE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING, UM, AND KNOW A LOT SOONER ON PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE IT'LL BE COMMUNICATING WHEN COORDINATION ISSUES ARE HAPPENING, OR DETECTION ISSUES ARE HAPPENING INSTEAD OF DAYS LATER.

YOU KNOW, EITHER THROUGH COMPLAINTS OR JUST OBSERVED BY CITY STAFF, UH, TIMING PROBLEMS. SO IT'LL HELP, UH, WITH OVERALL COORDINATION THROUGH, UH, THE, THE SYSTEM.

AND IT JUST GIVES A LOT OF GREAT REPORTS TO GET FEEDBACK ON HOW YOUR SYSTEM'S WORKING AND WHAT, WHAT EQUIPMENT UPGRADES NEED TO HAPPEN.

WOULD, UH, WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW WITH THE SYSTEM? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S TO MAINTAIN THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT WE WANT, UH, AND GET AWAY FROM THE TIMES WHEN THINGS ARE NOT OPERATING.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

THANKS, DON.

ANYTHING ELSE? ONE, ONE MORE IF I COULD.

YEAH, WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE OUR TRAFFIC LIGHTS GOT OUT OF SYNC BECAUSE OF ODOT RESETTING.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET AROUND THAT? THAT'S GOOD.

I MEAN, THIS WILL NOW HAVE IT ALL UNDER YOUR CONTROL.

OH, AGAIN? YEAH.

RECENTLY IT'S COME BACK INTO THE CITY'S CONTROL.

C, WHICH IS A 2024 REHABILITATION OF SEWER LINES PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

ODO HAD A CHANGE OF HEART ON HOW THEY WANTED TO DO THEIR INTERCHANGE SIGNAL.

SO NOW THAT NOW THEY'RE FULLY ON THE CITY'S SYSTEM.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO OUR NEXT MEETING? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE

[ 2024 Rehabilitation Of Sewer Lines Project - Award Contract]

SO THEY KNOW RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT AND THEY CAN CUT A HOLE AND THAT LETS THE FLOW BACK IN.

THIS, UH, WE'LL AWARD THE CONTRACT, UH, TO UNITED SURVEYS, UH, FOR THE LINING OF EXISTING SEWERS.

UH, I DID TALK ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY.

THIS IS FOR THE OLDER PIPES IN THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY, UH, THAT WE HAVE TELEVISED AND FOUND TO BE, UH, IN THE WORST CONDITIONS.

UM, AND, UH, THIS ONE, IT'LL BE ROUGHLY 6,900 LINEAR FEET OF LINING WE'LL BE DOING.

UM, AND WE'VE DONE THIS AS THE SEVENTH TIME.

WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE CITY.

UH, WE HAD A BID OPENING ON MARCH 15TH.

UH, THERE WERE FOUR CONTRACTORS BID THE PROJECT.

UNITED SURVEYS WAS THE LOWEST AND BEST WITH A BID AMOUNT OF $312,855 WITH, UH, 150 CALENDAR DAYS TO COMPLETE THE WORK.

UH, THE NOT TO EXCEED ON THIS IS $344,000.

UH, THAT'S ROUGHLY 10% MORE.

AND UNITED SURVEY HAS PREVIOUSLY DONE SUPER LININGS IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

THEY DID IN 2005, AND THEY DID IT LAST YEAR.

UM, AND THEY'VE RECENTLY DONE TIP CITY AND VANDALIA, SO WE'VE HAD GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH THEM LAST YEAR.

SO, UH, AND THIS PROJECT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE SEWER CAPITAL FUND.

YOU WELCOME.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS FOR US? I DO, BRIAN.

UM, THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK EARLY ON.

I THINK I HAD ASKED YOU.

I I WASN'T REAL FAMILIAR WITH IT, WHERE WE, WHERE IT JUST KIND OF GOES IN AND LINES THE EXISTING PIPES.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.

I FORGOT.

HOW LONG DOES, WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY ON THOSE? UH, THEY ACTUALLY FEEL THAT IT'LL BE LONGER THAN THE CLAY PIPE, WHICH IS 60 TO 70 YEARS AT LEAST.

BUT, UH, THEY THINK IT'LL BE LONGER THAN THAT.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG ANYTHING OUT TO DO IT, YOU JUST NO, IT JUST GOES FROM OPEN UP A MANHOLE LID, PUSH IT THROUGH THE MANHOLE, THROUGH THE LINE FROM MANHOLE TO MANHOLE.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CURE WHAT'S NO DISRUPTION OF ANY KIND OF SERVICE OR ANYTHING, OR? NO, THEY PUSH IT THROUGH AND IT'LL, THEN THEY PUT, UH, I SEE THEIR HOT WATER OR STEAM THROUGH IT AND EXPANDS TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE PIPE, AND WITHIN TWO TO THREE HOURS IT CURES.

OH, OKAY.

AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH WITH A, UH, SAW KIND OF A CAMERA AND A SAW, AND THEN THEY FIND THE OLD LATERAL, 'CAUSE IT DIMPLES THE PIPE WHEN THEY DO THAT,

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SO TWO OR THREE HOURS, THERE'S THE, ANY HOUSE, UM, USAGE WILL BE FILL UP THEIR LATERAL AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

USE TWO OR THREE HOURS.

DOESN'T FILL THAT FAST.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? ALL RIGHT.

[ Request For Proposals (RFP) - 2025-2030 Water Main Replacement Projects]

NEXT SAYS 3D THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS RFP FOR THE 2025 THROUGH 2030 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.

UH, THIS WAS, THIS IS FOR US TO GO OUT TO DESIGN PROPOSALS FROM ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS FOR THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT.

UH, THE STREET MAP THAT IS ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET SHOWS THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN TO HAVE DESIGNED ALL THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN, UH, HAVE HAD MANY WATER MAINS BREAKS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND IN OUR GAS, AS I SAID, WE'VE TRACKED THE LAST 10 YEARS AND WE'VE CHOSEN THESE STREETS, UH, BASED ON NUMBER OF BREAKS.

UH, WE'VE ALSO USED THE INTEGRITY STUDY TO VERIFY THESE STREETS ARE LISTED WITHIN THEIR CRITICAL AREAS OF REPLACEMENT.

AND THEN WE REVIEW THE STREETS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT BEEN PAVED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

UH, SO WE DON'T WANT TO REPAVE ANOTHER STREET IF IT'S STILL IN GOOD CONDITION.

SO SOME OF 'EM MAY BE A LITTLE, UH, COULD BE IN NOT REAL BAD SHAPE, BUT, UM, WE MAY HAVE TO WAIT A FEW YEARS TO DO SOME OF THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR UP THE STREETS AGAIN.

SO, UM, 25 STREETS ARE SHOWN ON YOUR MAP.

UH, THAT'LL BE DESIGNED INDIVIDUALLY SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETED, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES WE WANT TO DO FOR EACH, EACH PROG, UH, PROGRAM WE DO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 600,000 IN THE WATER BUDGET THAT'S BEEN SET FOR, UH, TO CO TO COVER THE COST OF THE DESIGN OF THESE STREETS.

UH, THE 600,000 SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO COVER THE COST FOR THE DESIGNS.

AND THE DESIGN COST IS, HAS BEEN ABOUT SIX TO 7% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST.

SO WE ARE DESIGNING ABOUT $9 MILLION WORTH OF REPLACEMENTS AT THIS TIME.

UM, THE DESIGNS WILL TAKE, UH, FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS TO COMPLETE, AND WE MAY USE TWO OR THREE CONSULTANT FIRMS TO, UH, WORK ON THESE DESIGNS.

UM, AND, UH, YEAH, AFTER WE, UH, REPLACE THESE LINES, WE WILL REPAVE THE STREETS WHEN WE'RE DONE SO WITH THE NEXT, UH, PAVING PROGRAM AFTER THAT.

SO I'LL BRING BACK IN A FEW WEEKS THE AWARD FOR THE CONSULTANT OF THE DESIGN.

AND THIS IS JUST THE, THE RFP FOR THE DESIGN? CORRECT.

ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, ANITA, RUSS, WHEN WE GO TO DO THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, I KNOW THIS ISN'T PART OF THE DESIGN, BUT WE HAVE THE PROBLEM ON HUBBARD.

I WANNA KNOW ON THESE CONTRACTS, IF, SO WE JUST GOT HUBBARD REPAVED, AND I KNOW YOU SAID IF IT EXPANDS, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED WAS SOME DIGS GOT IN, THEY WENT TO GO DO ANOTHER STREET.

THEY WENT DOWN THE WRONG SIDE OF HUBBARD AND THE NEW PART OF HUBBARD'S GOTTEN DIG INTO BY THE EQUIPMENT ON A NEWLY PAVED STREET.

UH, ONLY THING ON THAT, ON TOP, ONE THING ABOUT THAT IS THE, THE DRIVER WAS TOLD TO GO TO HUBBARD IN, IN HARSHMAN V AND THERE'S TWO HUBBARD HARSHMAN INTERSECTIONS.

SO HE WENT TO THE WRONG ONE, WENT TO THE, SO I NORMALLY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT DID.

AND SO IS IT IN OUR CONTRACTS THAT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS THAT THEY REPAIR THAT? BECAUSE IF THAT DOESN'T EXPAND, WE JUST PAID FOR THIS NEW ROAD AND IT HAS DIGS INTO IT, WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

I DON'T THINK THERE ARE REALLY DIGS INTO IT.

IT WAS MORE JUST SCRAPED THE SURFACES.

WE DID CLEAN THE, THE STREET THE NEXT DAY, AND I DID HAVE A PICTURE THAT I SENT OUT, UH, THAT SHOWS IT JUST SCRATCHES MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

NOW, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BUT IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE.

I JUST CONCERNED IN FUTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY DO DAMAGE THAT IT GETS REPAIRED.

SO WE JUST PAVED THAT.

ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? YES, MARK.

RUSS? WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IF SOMEBODY TORE UP OUR STREETS OR CURBS OR SIGNS OR MEMORIALS MM-HMM.

THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COVER THAT, CORRECT? YES.

THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S WORKING ON THAT, ON THAT OTHER PIECE OF HUBBARD WOULD COVER THAT.

SO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO COVER.

OH YEAH.

THEY, THEY, WE HAVE TO DO, DO SOMETHING, DAMAGE THAT DAMAGE.

I DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS NECESSARILY BAD ENOUGH, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

IF IT, IF IT HAD, I THINK, I THINK WHEN IT GETS HEATED UP AND PEOPLE DRIVE OVER, IT'LL PROBABLY BE FINE.

BUT HAD YOU THOUGHT IT WAS BAD ENOUGH, WE HAVE THE PROPER STUFF IN PLACE TO MAKE THEM FIX THAT.

WE WOULD'VE PROBABLY PUT IT IN THE PROGRAM AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO FIX IT AND THEN BUILD THEM FOR IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS?

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NEXT IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS LEASE FINANCING FOR THE SEWER VAC TRUCK AND VEOLIA WATER.

[ Lease Financing - Sewer Vac Truck - Veolia Water]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVE BEFORE YOU, UM, FINANCING THAT.

UH, SO LAST COUNCIL MEETING YOU APPROVED, UM, BY THE SEWER, SEWER VAC TRUCK.

AND, UM, I BELIEVE RUSS WOULD'VE TOLD YOU AT THAT TIME THAT I WAS COMING BACK TO THIS MEETING TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THE FINANCING.

UH, I REACHED OUT TO SEVEN DIFFERENT, UH, BANKS OR FINANCING INSTITUTIONS, WHICH I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, WE DID GET, UH, FIVE BIDS BACK.

UH, ONE WAS NOT, UH, TO MY LIKING 'CAUSE IT WAS, UH, THE WRONG NUMBER OF YEARS.

I HAD ASKED FOR A 10 YEAR BID.

THEY GAVE US SEVEN YEAR BID.

UH, BUT THE LOWEST BID WAS, UH, FROM HUNTINGTON, UH, CAPITAL CORP, WHICH I WAS HAPPY ABOUT BECAUSE I KNOW WE DID SOME LEASE FINANCING LAST YEAR.

IT WAS FROM A BANK IN FLORIDA.

AND, UH, THIS WAS FROM ONE OF OUR LOCAL BANKS, HUNTINGTON.

SO WAS VERY HAPPY THAT, UH, THEY GAVE US THE LOWEST BID.

AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A 10 YEAR LEASE.

AND THE AMOUNT IS 62,000, $69 AND 27 CENTS.

AND I WILL HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN NEXT WEEK'S, UH, WORK SESSION FOR THE NEXT SUPPLEMENTAL.

'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UH, SINCE THIS IS AN ISSUE, UH, IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE.

SO I'LL BRING THAT TO NEXT WEEK'S, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, FOR THE WORK SESSION.

UM, I WOULD LIKE THIS APPROVED TONIGHT ON, UH, WAIVE THE SECOND READING AND ADOPT IT.

UH, BECAUSE THE, THE COST THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO RIGHT NOW FOR WHEN WE NEED TO RENT A SEWER VAC TRUCK, BECAUSE OUR CURRENT ONE IS, UH, OUT OF SERVICE IS $14,000 A MONTH.

SO THE SOONER WE GET THIS NEW TRUCK AND SOONER WE CAN, UM, UH, UH, NAIL DOWN THE FINANCING, UH, AND THEY'RE READY TO GO.

THEY'RE, AS SOON AS I NOTIFY THEM OF APPROVAL OF THIS COUNSEL, UH, THEY'RE READY TO GO WITH, UH, DELIVERING THAT, UH, SIGNING THE DOCUMENTS.

AND SO WE CAN GET THAT IN ORDER, UH, BY THE END OF THE, UH, MONTH OF APRIL.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL.

OF ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE MORAL OBLIGATION, CAME AT CLAIM AT 77 0 1 TIMBER HILL DRIVE FOR A WATER MAIN BREAK.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON? OKAY.

AS JIM REQUESTED, UH, FOR THIS EVENING WITH, UH, WAIVING THE SECOND READING, CORRECT, KX

[ Moral Obligation Claim - 7701 Timber Hill Drive - Water Main Break]

BRIAN, THAT WOULD BE ME, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, FOR, UH, THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UH, THIS GOES BACK ABOUT, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF NOW, UH, ON CHRISTMAS EVE OF, UH, 2022, UH, THE MILLERS WHO LIVE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, TIMBER HILL AND TAYLORSVILLE HAD, UH, THE MAIN DISTRIBUTION LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THEIR SIDE LARGE SIDE YARD BREAK.

UH, AND AS A RESULT, WE HAD TO GO AND REPAIR AND DIG IN THEIR YARD AND DO ALL KINDS OF, OF PARTICULAR, UH, REPAIRS TO THE MAIN, UH, LIKE WE WOULD WITH ANYBODY WHO, UH, WAS IMPACTED BY AN EVENT SUCH AS THIS OR THROUGH A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO REPAIR THEIR PROPERTY TO A, LIKE, AND SIMILAR CONDITION TO WHICH WE FOUND IT.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAD ENGAGED TO HELP US DO THAT DID NOT NECESSARILY PERFORM TO THE MILLER SATISFACTION OR TO OUR SATISFACTION.

AND SO, UH, WHEN WE GOT TO THAT POINT, UH, WE ATTEMPTED TO TURN THIS MATTER OVER TO OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, UH, AND OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, UH, DENIED COVERAGE ON THIS CLAIM, CITING THAT IT WAS VEOLIA'S RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CONTRACT TO REPAIR THE, UH, VEIA DENIED COVERAGE ON THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY DO ADEQUATELY REPAIR AND REPLACE THE, UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE THE LINES.

BECAUSE IN THIS INSTANCE, THE BREAK WAS CAUSED BY THE EXTREME COLD, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY.

DO RECALL, UH, CHRISTMAS EVE THAT YEAR WAS, I THINK, IF NOT THE COLDEST DAY, IT WAS THE SECOND COLDEST DAY OF THE YEAR.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, THE MILLERS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT UP IN THIS, UM, SITUATION AND THEY WOULD LIKE SOME RESOLUTION AND RESTITUTION TO THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION.

SO AFTER MEETING WITH THEM, UH, GOING AND VISITING WITH THEM, UH, AT THEIR PROPERTY AND, UH, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS AND FRUSTRATIONS WERE, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, REACH A, UH, AN AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THE SUM OF $9,000 THAT THEY WOULD, UH, USE THAT, UH, FUND TO SETTLE ALL OF THEIR CLAIMS AND GRIEVANCES, IF YOU WILL.

WITH REGARD TO THIS MATTER.

UH, THE MILLERS HAVE SIGNED ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK TO RELEASE THE CITY FROM ANY FURTHER OBLIGATION, UH, OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MATTER.

AND WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, COUNSEL, APPROVE THIS MATTER, UH, LATER THIS EVENING, UH, SO WE CAN BRING SOME RESOLUTION TO, UH, THE MILLERS AND, AND LET THEM GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES.

SO, HAVE ANY ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, MR. MAYOR? THANKS, BRIAN.

QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

[ Architect Agreement - Senior Center - Renovations - Roll & Associates, Incorporated]

NEXT IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS THE ARCHITECT AGREEMENT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER RENOVATIONS FOR ROLE AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED.

UH, YES, MR. MAYOR, THIS IS, UH, ALSO MINE.

SPACE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE Y UH, THAT SPACE IS BEING VACATED BY THE Y IN EXCUSE BY THE Y.

UH, I THINK AS EVERYONE ON COUNCIL IS AWARE, BUT AS THE PUBLIC MAY NOT BE AWARE, UH, THE SINCLAIR COMMUNITY COLLEGE

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THAT SPACE IS BEING VACATED BY SINCLAIR, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER BEING USED AT A CAPACITY, WHICH IT WAS INTENDED.

AND SO FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES, UH, SINCLAIR IS NO LONGER GOING TO USE THAT SPACE.

AND WE WERE APPROACHED, UH, THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY THE YMCA ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE WOULD HAVE AN INTEREST, UH, IN THAT LOCATION.

OUR INITIAL RESPONSE AT THAT TIME, UH, WAS ACTUALLY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE USE, UH, RELATIVE TO THIS BUILDING, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF, UM, COMING ON AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UH, YET THIS YEAR THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET AND, UH, WE ARE AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY WITHIN THIS FACILITY.

WELL, THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN, THEN THROUGH THOSE COMMUNICATIONS, UH, WORD MADE IT OVER TO OUR FRIENDS AT THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, THAT THIS FACILITY WAS AVAILABLE, AND THEY HAD EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, TO LOOK AT THE FACILITY AND SEE WHAT IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFER THEM.

UH, AND SO SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THEIR GROUP CAME UP, TOOK A LOOK AROUND, UH, THEY LIKED WHAT THEY SAW, BUT THEY HAD CURIOUS, UH, THEY HAD, UH, UH, CURIOUS, UH, UH, CURIOSITY, EXCUSE ME, ABOUT HOW THE CITY MIGHT BETTER, UH, MIGHT BETTER BE ABLE TO MODIFY THE FACILITY FOR THEIR USE.

AND SO WE REACHED OUT TO, UH, ROLL ARCHITECTURE AND ROLLED AS THE ORIGINAL ARCHITE TO DESIGN THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY, UH, AND ASK THEM FOR A QUOTE, UH, TO COME AND LOOK AT THAT FACILITY AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO, UH, MODIFY IT FOR, UH, THE SENIORS TO USE THAT FACILITY.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT THE SENIORS, UH, HAVE VOTED, UH, TO USE, UH, THE FORMER SINCLAIR SPACE AS THEIR, UH, NEW HOME.

AND WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, ADOPT THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION LATER THIS EVENING.

UH, NOT SO MUCH FOR THE COST, WHICH YOU'LL NOTICE OF ROLE SERVICE, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN THE $75,000 THRESHOLD, UH, EMPOWERED TO THE CITY MANAGER.

UH, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THIS LEGISLATION ALSO AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO BEGIN NEGOTIATING TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE LEASE, UH, FOR THAT SPACE.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, ADOPT THIS LEGISLATION LATER THIS EVENING SO THAT IN FACT, UH, MR. ZICK CAN BEGIN, UH, NEGOTIATING THE NECESSARY TERMS SO WE CAN GET THE SENIORS INTO THAT FACILITY BEFORE YOU END, UH, WHICH IS THEIR DESIRE, UH, PERIOD OF OCCUPANCY.

SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL MIGHT HAVE.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE DESIGN CONTRACT AND CHANGE ORDERS FOR LWC INCORPORATED FOR THE GOVERNANCE CENTER.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRETT? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO GO AHEAD, MOVING THIS, MOVING THIS ON? OKAY.

[ Design Contract - Change Orders - LWC, Incorporated - City Governance Center]

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, SO THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COST TO DO THAT.

UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, IF I RECALL THE NUMBER CORRECTLY IN THE PACKET.

UH, SO THIS, UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW LWC TO FINISH THE FINAL DESIGN OF WHAT IS NOW GOING TO BE OFFICE SPACE.

UH, IT IS STILL WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, UH, THAT WAS INITIALLY DESIGNED TO HOUSE BOTH THE COUNCIL SIDE AND THEN THE SENIOR SIDE, UH, OF, UH, OF THE CITY'S FUNCTIONS.

UH, THE IDEA HERE IS THAT SHORTLY WE WILL BE BEFORE YOU ASKING YOU TO LET A BID FOR, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE ALL THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS WILL GO.

AND WE HAVE ALL OF THE INTERIOR DESIGN ON THE, UH, COUNCIL AND CLERK PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

SO THAT WILL GO OUT TO BUILD, SO WE CAN GET THAT GOING AND GET THAT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN PROBABLY 90 TO 120 DAYS LATER, WHETHER OR NOT WE BID A SEPARATE CONTRACT OR WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE SOLICIT, UH, THE AWARDED CONTRACTOR FOR AN ADDENDUM.

UH, WHEN L WCS, UH, CITY HALL PLANS ARE DONE, UH, THAT'S HOW WE'LL KIND OF, UH, FIT OUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING.

SO IF YOU CAN THINK OF IT, IT'S UH, KIND OF LIKE A, A PREFABRICATED OFFICE SPACE, RIGHT? YOU BUILD THE SHELL AND YOU MAYBE A SMALL PORTION AND THEN YOU, YOU BUILD OUT AT AS YOU NEED.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL, ENTERTAIN THIS LEGISLATION LATER TONIGHT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THE BALL ROLLING ON THIS PROJECT, UH, KNOWING THAT IT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE MEADOWS, UH, REDEVELOPMENT EFFORT.

SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BRIAN.

THE, UM, WHAT'S THE, SO IF THE SHELLS REMAIN THE SAME, WHAT'S THE NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE NEW BUILDING? OH GOSH.

UH, HOW MUCH IS THAT? 17 7 17 725.

SO 17 725.

MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS CURRENT BUILDING IS ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THAT'S ABOUT CORRECT.

5,000 UP, 5,000 DOWN'S, KINDA WHAT I, YEP, BELIEVE.

SO THE NEW BUILDING HAS CERTAINLY ROOM FOR EXPANSION.

UM, EVEN ABOVE AND BEYOND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS BUILDING.

BY SEVEN 70, WHAT WAS IT, 7,700 SQUARE FEET? YEP.

CORRECT.

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BIGGER THAN THIS ONE.

CORRECT.

ANYTHING.

AND IT'S A SINGLE STORY.

YES, IT IS A SINGLE STORY.

UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THAT THE DESIGN FOR, UM, THE CLERK, FOR THE CLERK SECTION IS DONE? THAT IS CORRECT.

SO THE DESIGN THAT'S REMAINING IS FOR ALL THE REST OF THE OFFICE SPACE? CORRECT.

UM, OKAY.

AND IT'S, SINCE IT'S WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT, UM, HOW, I KNOW THE BID HASN'T GONE OUT, BUT DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE, UM, TO DO THAT? UH, I DO NOT AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OKAY.

FROM LWC.

SO, UH, THE DETAILED DESIGN, I DON'T HAVE, UH, BUT THEIR THOUGHT IS 90 TO 90 TO 120 DAYS WAS THE TIMEFRAME THEY GAVE ME WITH REGARD TO, UH, BEING ABLE TO DESIGN CONSTRUCTION READY DOCUMENTS FOR THE OFFICE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SCOTT, IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR AARON.

UH, LAST NIGHT ON THE PLANNING UH, COMMISSION, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WHAT ARE THE PLANS TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT IF THE BUILDING STAYS THE SAME? YEAH, SO, UM, YEAH, UH, MR. DAVIDSON, SO, UH, AT THE, AT THE COUNSELOR, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, ORIGINALLY WE HAD, UM, MOVED THAT FORWARD AS A, BOTH A BASIC AND COMBINED, UM, PROJECT FOR APPROVAL.

SINCE WE KNOW THAT WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE SENIOR CENTER, THAT PROGRAMMING IS GONNA CHANGE TO BE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

JUST OUTSIDE THERE WERE PICKLEBALL COURTS, UH, SOME OTHER RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES, UM, UM, MORE GATHERING AREA.

I THINK THAT PROGRAMMING ON THE OUTSIDE ON THE WEST SIDE WILL CHANGE SINCE THIS IS COMING MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.

SO WHAT WE CHANGED WAS JUST THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, WHICH WILL COME TO YOU ONCE WE FIGURE OUT, UH, THE INTERNAL PROGRAMMING FOR THE, THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY FROM THE RESTROOMS WEST, WHICH WILL BE THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF THE WING.

UM, WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.

I THINK IT BECOMES LESS SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM.

WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIVING ROOM.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT A PARK, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO PROGRAM THAT AREA WITH FOOD TRUCKS AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SINCE THE SENIOR CENTER IS GONNA MOVE TO THE Y THE IMMEDIATE AREA JUST WEST OF THE BUILDING WILL CHANGE.

AND I DIDN'T WANT US TO LOCK OURSELVES IN WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE TO GO BACK A SECOND TIME UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE CORRECT PROGRAMMING.

ALRIGHT.

I CLARIFY.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAYOR.

ANYTHING ELSE? YES.

NOT, UH, THANKS MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, THIS IS A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, RIGHT? A HUNDRED THOUSAND? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE I, WHICH IS SALE OF PROPERTY PARCEL NUMBER P 7 0 0 3 9 4 3.

AND IT COULD BE LESS.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY,

[ Sale Of Property - Parcel Number P70 03901 0043]

THAT'S ME.

YES, MAYOR.

UH, SO THIS IS, UH, 1.3 ACRES OF A LANDLOCK SITE THAT WE OWN, UM, AT REALLY ESSENTIALLY AT THE KIND OF THE INTERSECTION OF CHAMBERSBURG AND ROUTE FOUR.

IT'S AT THE RAINBOW LAKES, UM, FISHING AREA.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO SELL, UH, SO THIS IS AN ABANDONED WATER PRODUCTION WELL THAT WE HAVE NOT USED IN YEARS.

IT, IT SERVES NO MUNICIPAL PURPOSE.

IT'S LANDLOCKED, UH, IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A RECENT PURCHASE OF RAINBOW LAKES.

UM, THEY HAVE APPROACHED US TO ACQUIRE THAT.

THEY'D LIKE TO BUILD OUT THE, THE FACILITY.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A NOMINAL, UM, SALES PRICE OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

UH, AND THEN FIVE YEARS WORTH OF, UM, KIND OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT WILL BE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN US, UM, WITH OUR NEW PARKS MANAGER AND RAINBOW LAKES TO PROVIDE, UM, YOUTH PROGRAMMING ACTIVITIES, UH, AT RAINBOW LAKES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO EITHER, UM, PASSES FOR OUR DAY CAMPS OR OTHER TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, HUBER HEIGHTS DAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WE'RE STILL TRYING TO, TO WORK THAT OUT SINCE WE HAVE, THEY HAVE NEW OWNERS.

UH, WE WANTED TO, BUT WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR, UM, THIS WOULD PROVIDE A FIVE YEAR WINDOW FOR US TO, TO PROVIDE THAT PROGRAMMING, ENRICH OUR YOUTH, PROVIDES ALSO THEM, UH, RAINBOW LAKES WITH ADDITIONAL USERS.

SO WE HAVE NO PURPOSE FOR THIS, UH, THIS LAND.

UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK, BETTER BEST SERVED FOR THEM.

A QUESTION, BUT THAT ACTUALLY EXCITES ME OF VOLVO LAND.

HONOR QUESTIONS? YES.

AND NOT

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WE OWN .

THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING GOOD FOR OUR THINK OUR COMMUNITY.

IF WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.

WE AGREE.

ANYTHING ELSE, SCOTT? YEAH, UH, JUST TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT OF, THEY HAVE THEIR RIBBON CUTTING ON FRIDAY, SO I WAS ABLE TO GET OUT THERE, MEET THE NEW OWNERS, AND THEY CLEANED UP THAT PLACE.

TREMENDOUS.

I MEAN, IT LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO I, I'M FOR THIS.

GOOD TO HEAR.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU NOT DON? UH, JUST, UH, UH, ONE ITEM, THIS MIGHT BE FOR BRIAN.

BRIAN, UH, WE'RE ASKING A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS AND, UM, PAST EXPERIENCE I'VE SEEN, UH, THINGS LIKE THIS DONE FOR, UM, THE NOMINAL SUM OF A DOLLAR.

UH, WHERE DID A THOUSAND COME FROM AND IS THE CITY, UH, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, IN THE WORKUP, THERE'S NO COST AS IN THE NORMAL CLOSING AND, UH, RECORDING FEES.

RIGHT? DO WE NEED THE THOUSAND FROM THEM? NO, WE DON'T.

I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED THAT MONEY TO PAY OUR BILLS BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY CAME FROM, UH, WAS IT THE ASSESSOR'S VALUE FOR THE, FOR THE PARCEL? SO THE ASSESSOR'S VALUE, I WOULD SAY IS, UH, IT IS GENERALLY ASSESSED.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE WERE, UM, I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO AVOID WAS THE, THE APPEARANCE OF GIVING IT AWAY.

UH, AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR THE BUYER TO HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.

UM, SO THE, THE THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS MY INITIAL, UM, PRICE, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT BEHOLDEN TO THAT.

IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO LOWER THAT WE CAN A, AMEND THE, THE LEGISLATION AND, AND, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD ACCORDINGLY.

UH, DONNA IS THERE, MAYOR, IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION COMING? DON? YEAH, MAYOR, JUST FROM MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE LOWER THAT TO WHATEVER IS THE LOWEST ACCEPTABLE, UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUTH OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UM, UH, IF THERE'S ANOTHER, A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS IN THERE THAT THEY CAN GRAB HOLD OF AND HELP PUT UP THAT SHELTER, I THINK IT'S A BETTER USE FOR THE MONEY THAN CHARGING A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR IT.

ANYTHING WHEN, UH, WHEN THEY APPROACHED US, DID THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDED PURCHASE PRICE? THEIR REALTOR APPROACHED US FOR A DOLLAR.

I'M INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF COUNCILMAN WEBB AND COUNCILMAN NANCY BERG.

I'M INTERESTED IF THEY DO PROGRAMMING FOR A YEAR, IT'S $200.

LIKE MAKE IT A STEP DOWN AND THEY HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.

THEY HAVE INTEREST IN FULFILLING THIS COMMITMENT AND MAKE IT AT LEAST OF FIVE YEARS.

AND AT THE END OF THE FIVE YEARS, IF THEY DO A FIVE, FIVE YEARS PROGRAMMING, IT'S A DOLLAR.

AND THAT WAY THEY, LIKE, WE'RE THEY, THEY HAVE INTEREST IN DOING THAT FOR US.

CORRECT.

SO COULD WE HOLD THAT TO THEM THOUGH, IN THE, IN THE PURCHASE CONTRACT, EVEN IF IT WAS A DOLLAR? COULD WE HOLD THEM TO THAT OR? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I, MY, MY FEELING IN, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, THE, THE NEW OWNERS IS THEY HAVE EVERY INTENT TO HONOR THAT FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT.

SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

UM, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS TO A FIVE YEAR LEASE TO BUY PURCHASE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

UM, I WOULD NEED TO PULL THIS TO GET IT TO THEN THE MAY, UM, AGENDA IN ORDER TO, TO REDO THE CONTRACT.

OR AT LEAST, I'M SORRY.

I GUESS IF THE, UH, THE, THIS IS REALLY PROBABLY TO THE COUNCIL, UM, CHANGE THE ORDINANCE OR, OR DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THAT TYPE OF CONTRACT.

'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE EXHIBIT THAT IS WRITTEN.

I, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING THIS ANY MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

YEAH, YEAH.

MAY I, YEAH, GO COLLECT IT ON.

UM, IF WE DO THAT, ARE WE GONNA BURN UP ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN, IN SETTING UP THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND ADMINISTERING IT AND YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S A COST TO EVERYTHING.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THE TRADE-OFF IS, IF IT BECOMES A MOOT ISSUE.

I MEAN, IF THE WILL OF COUNSEL IS TO CHANGE THIS TO $10, THEN THAT'S AN EASY FIX.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THAT THEY WANNA BE SUCCESSFUL.

BUT I MEAN, BEING ECONOMICALLY SMART ABOUT IT, IF WE'RE GONNA BURN UP EXTRA LEGAL COST OR ADMINISTRATIVE COST IN ORDER TO PUT THE DOCUMENTS TOGETHER, WE REALLY HELPING ANYBODY, WE WILL NOT COME CLOSE TO BURNING UP A THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF, UH, TO CHANGE THE PURCHASE PRICE.

THAT THAT IS A QUICK FIX.

NO, I DON'T MEAN THE PURCHASE PRICE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRITE UP A LEASE AGREEMENT AND OH, THAT, THAT WILL TAKE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND THEN MONITOR THAT OVER TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD JUST BE LOWER THE PURCHASE PRICE TO, TO $10 OR WHATEVER THE NOMINAL FEE IS AND MOVE FORWARD.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THROUGH WHAT THEY'VE DONE ALREADY, THAT, UH,

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AND I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM SELLING IT TO THEM FOR A DOLLAR.

DON, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDED AMOUNT? THAT, THAT IS? BASICALLY IT.

I, I DON'T WANNA MUDDY THE WATERS.

I WANNA KEEP 'EM VERY CLEAN.

I TRUST 'EM FIVE YEARS.

THEY'VE MADE A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT.

UH, IF THEY GET A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM GOING WITH THE YOUTH AT HUBER HEIGHTS, THAT EXTENDS OVER FIVE YEARS.

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT'LL CONTINUE AFTER FIVE YEARS.

SO, UH, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, LET'S DROP THIS DOWN TO, UM, WHATEVER THE LEGAL, UH, MINIMUM IS.

UH, IF WE CAN DO IT FOR A BUCK, LET'S DO IT FOR A BUCK AND WISH 'EM WELL.

ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MAKING THAT PURCHASE PRICE OF DOLLAR? OKAY.

ATTORNEY, DO WE NEED ANY OTHER, UM, IN THIS STAGE? WE'LL HAVE TO MANDATE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING TO CHANGE THAT AMOUNT FROM A THOUSAND TO A DOLLAR.

AND NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE J, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES MORATORIUM, AARON? YES.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO A LITTLE BIT LATER? OKAY.

[ Self-Storage Facilities Moratorium]

SO, UM, IN NOVEMBER, SO WE, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN A DISCUSSION FOR, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE TEAM, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE CHANGED, OR MAYBE A YEAR AGO, WE CHANGED THE REQUIREMENTS TO, UH, ONLY PERMIT, UM, SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE I ONE I TWO AND PLAIN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.

UM, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THERE WAS A MORATORIUM THAT TOOK PLACE TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, THE SITUATION, UH, FURTHER.

UM, SO I SCANNED THE, KIND OF THE LARGER COMMUNITIES.

MOST OF THEM HAVE, UM, SIMILAR REGULATIONS TO OURS NOW THAT THEY'RE RELEGATED TO THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS OR YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR SORT OF, YOUR LESSER, YOUR HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SPRINGBORO HAS NEVER PERMITTED, UM, SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES.

UH, AND KETTERING, UH, ELIMINATED THEM AS A PERMITTED USE.

AS OF, UH, APRIL OF LAST YEAR, UM, I TOOK A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, WE WOULD MAKE, UM, SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES OF SPECIAL USE, UM, WITH, ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD ONLY ALLOW EXISTING SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES TO EXPAND WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT, UH, THAT THEY ALREADY OWN.

UH, AND NEW SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE, UM, PROHIBITED.

UM, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THAT WOULD WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH LEGISLATION TO YOU IN MAY, IF THAT IS, UM, THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN GOING.

UM, WE HAVE HAD ONLY ONE INTEREST FROM, UH, A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.

AND THAT'S THE EXISTING FACILITY ON KITTRIDGE THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD OUT, UH, ON THE EXISTING LAND THAT THEY OWN, UM, IN THE, TOWARDS THE REAR.

UM, AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED BY ANY OTHER SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES, UM, FOR, FOR A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.

DISCUSSION.

GOTTA BE SOME HERE.

THIS HAS BEEN A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

CAN'T BELIEVE NOBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SAY I NEED, I'M AM NOT FOR THIS.

WE KEEP BUILDING APARTMENTS AND APARTMENTS.

THEY DON'T HAVE BASEMENT SPACE, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE FOR STUFF.

WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? MOVE HERE, BUT GO, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY MILES AWAY TO GO GET STUFF THAT YOU'RE STORING.

I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK HOW THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING, I, I THINK IT'S BAD FOR US TO LIMIT, UM, SELF-STORAGE UNITS WITH THAT MANY APARTMENTS COMING ON.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE OUR MORATORIUM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

DID WE GET IT? SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING.

SO WHAT, WHAT DID, SO WHAT WAS THE PLANNING'S ISSUE? THE PLANNING HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? OR IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHERE, WHERE ARE WE STAYING WITH THAT? YEAH, SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO, UH, MAKE, UM, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, OUTDOOR SELF SOURCE, SELF SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, A SPECIAL USE IN THE I ONE AND I TWO DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, BUT ONLY THOSE THAT, THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING.

SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, I I GOT THAT.

I'M JUST, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR IS THAT PLANNING'S, PLANNING'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL PLANNING? COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS RIGHT, AS LONG AS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU HAD HAD SAID PREVIOUSLY.

IS WHAT, IS WHAT HE SAID PREVIOUSLY.

THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION TO COUNCIL IS NO MORE NEW SOURCE FACILITIES.

ONLY THE EXISTING ONES CAN EXPAND THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY ON THEIR, ON THEIR PROPERTY.

PROVISION FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.

NOW THERE WOULD BE A

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SO IF WE HAVE SOME LARGE, BIG BOX, UH, RETAILERS THAT, THAT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU COULD CONVERT THOSE FACILITIES INTO INDOOR STORAGE KIND OF AS THE LAST RESORT.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS, UM, STANDALONE SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE 70 OR 80 GARAGE DOORS THAT YOU SEE, UH, THOSE WOULD BE PROHIBITED MOVING FORWARD.

WELL, OKAY.

SO I KNOW THERE WAS, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, THE ISSUE IS THE MORATORIUM HAS EXPIRED AND NO ONE HAS, HAS CONTACTED US.

NO.

UM, BEING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW, WHAT, WHAT EXPOSURE DO WE HAVE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT EXPANDS THAT MORATORIUM UNTIL, WHEN DO YOU FORESEE HAVING THAT RECOMME? I MEAN, WE'RE MOVING THIS ON TO TONIGHT.

DO WE HAVE LEGISLATION FROM NO.

SO THERE'S NO LEGISLATION PREPARED FOR THAT.

SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FOR THE MAY MEETING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

SO, OKAY.

SO FOR THE MAY, SO WE ARE, IF, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH A MORATORIUM, OUR EXPOSURE WOULD BE FROM NOW UNTIL, I BELIEVE, WHAT DOES THAT? MAY 9TH.

MAY 9TH.

MAY 9TH, YEAH.

POTENTIALLY SOMEBODY COULD COME IN FOR AN APPLICATION FOR AN I ONE OR I TWO DISTRICT, BUT NO ONE HAS APPROACHED US AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

EASY.

WHY DID WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR, UM, FOR A BUSINESS, A LARGE BOX STORE BUSINESS THAT GOES OUT, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW A STORAGE FACILITY TO GO IN THERE RATHER THAN KEEPING IT AVAILABLE FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS TO GO IN.

SO I'M THINKING OF THE LARGE USERS SUCH AS WALMART OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

SO YOU HAD THE KMART, WHICH BECAME, UM, THE, UH, UM, KROGER, PEARL KING, ROYAL KING.

AND THEN THERE THERE'S THE INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY THAT IS, UH, ON, UM, BRAND, BRAND.

UM, THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH, SO IN MY HEAD IS WALMART.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WALMART LEASE AND THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY PUT ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY DEVELOP, THEY BASICALLY PROHIBIT PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY ELSE FROM REUSING THAT PROPERTY.

UH, AND THIS WOULD BE A POTENTIAL, IT'S, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE USE OF LAST RESORT, BUT IT COULD BE A USE THAT WOULD, UH, AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME ECONOMIC USEFULNESS TO THAT VACANT BIG BOX SHELL, UH, RATHER THAN IT SIT AND LANGUISH FOR THE NEXT 5, 6, 7, 8 YEARS, I DON'T SEE IT WOULD STILL BE A SPECIAL USE.

SO IT WOULD STILL GO IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE WOULD STILL EVALUATE IT.

UM, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS KIND OF THE WAY WE EVALUATE, LIKE SAY HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A, THAT HAVE A DEMOLITION PERMIT IN FRONT OF 'EM.

YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S AN ECONOMIC REASON TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING RATHER THAN RENOVATE IT.

THIS WOULD BE THE, A SAME KIND OF APPROACH.

UM, I WOULD NOT CONSIDER INDOOR SELF STORAGE THE HIGHEST USE THAT WE WANT TO SEE, BUT IT'S BETTER, I THINK, THAN, THAN A VACANT BUILDING THAT IS, IS LANGUISHING AND THE ROOF STARTS TO FALL APART AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT IS THE USE OF LAST RESORT, BUT IT WOULD, IT COULD BE AN OPTION.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF WE HAD A BUILDING LIKE WALMART THAT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AVAILABLE FOR LIKE IF A HOME DEPOT OR SOMEBODY WANTED TO MOVE IN THERE, DO WE HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'VE ASSIGNED TO THAT EXCEPTION, OR WE, WE DO NOT, NOT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT WE COULD.

'CAUSE IF WE JUST LIKE WE HAD, UM, BED BATH AND BEYOND MOVE OUT, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SEEN THAT TURNED INTO AN INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY.

I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE, UH, THE USE OF LAST RESORT FOR, UM, FOR, FOR THAT ADAPTIVE REUSE.

UH, AND IT WOULD REALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE PROHIBITED ON OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALLOWED IT AS, AS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT, IT WOULD HAPPEN.

IT WOULD, IT IS ALSO A SPECIAL USE THAT WOULD NEED TO GO IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, FOR REVIEW.

SO THEY JUST CAN'T ROLL IN LIKE, UH, THE HO THE, UH, HALLOWEEN STORE DOES ON THE, WITH THE VACANT, UH, BIG BOX, UH, USES.

UM, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR REUSE OF THOSE WHAT COULD BE A VACANT BUILDING.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

NOW, SCOTT, NANCY, I THINK THE LATEST ONE TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT IS, UH, MOORE'S FURNITURE.

BED BATH AND BEYOND WOULD BE BIG ENOUGH FOR A STORAGE UNIT PLACE.

OVER ON WOODMAN THAT CHANGED IT OVER, BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT AN INDOOR STORAGE UNIT THAT USE EXISTING BUILDING.

WE WILL PROHIBIT OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR LIKE RVS AND ALL OF THAT, THAT STUFF.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT LIKE IF AT HOME WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, I, AND IT'S IN THAT STRIP MALL, I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT TURNED INTO AN INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY.

I JUST WOULDN'T THINK AT HOME OR

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WE'RE TALKING A MAJOR BUILDING LIKE A WALMART.

OR MOORE'S FURNITURE WAS A PRETTY BIG BUILDING.

BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT ARE IN THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

AND I ST CEMENT ARE PRETTY SMALL.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A STORAGE UNIT IN THERE.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT ONE THAT'S OVER BY THE THEATER IS THAT BIG, IS IT? NO, NO.

YEAH, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL HUGE, YOU KNOW, AND THE ONE BY THE THEATER, UM, THERE IS STILL ROOM FOR THEM TO, TO BUILD OUT.

THEY HAVE NOT BUILT OUT ALL OF THE AVAILABLE LAND THAT THEY HAVE THERE.

SO REALLY, UH, THIS CHANGE WOULD AFFECT THAT PARTICULAR ONE.

IT WOULD AFFECT THE ONE ON KITTRICH.

UH, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE OTHERS HAVE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT THE, THE LAND THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR.

WELL, THE ONE ON KITTRICH WAS AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY, CORRECT.

THIS IS REALLY, YEAH, THEY'VE GOT ROOM IN THE BACK TO ADD, UM, A COUPLE BUILDING A FEW BUILDINGS.

I THINK ULTIMATELY THE ISSUE IS HERE IS COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE IT IF, IF IT WOULD EVER COME TO THAT.

AND IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE A BUNCH OF STORAGE PLACES HAPPEN HERE, PIER, I THINK IF THAT IS THE USE OF LAST RESORT, THEN WE GOTTA DO WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO MAKE SURE WE REMAIN A VIABLE COMMUNITY WHERE BUSINESSES WANNA LOCATE TWO.

SO WE DON'T HAVE BIG EMPTY BUILDINGS SITTING HERE FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF STICKING A STORAGE FACILITY AND THEY WOULD EVEN WANNA DO THAT, OR THAT WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN OPTION.

SO, UM, AND THE FACT IT HAS TO COME BACK TO PLANNING AND TO COUNCIL, I THINK IS THE FAIL SAFE.

IF, IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA SEE.

UM, OKAY.

SO, SO WHERE WE ARE IS, UH, COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO EXTEND THIS MORATORIUM TO, TO AT LEAST TO GET THROUGH TO THE MAY 9TH MEETING OR TAKE AARON'S RECOMMENDATION JUST TO, UH, HAVE THIS GO AND COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL AT THE MAY 9TH MEETING AND VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING TO COUNSEL.

THAT'S WHERE I, IF I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S THE DECISION.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

DON, I ONLY NEED TO HEAR AARON SAY, UH, ONE MORE TIME THAT, UH, HE DOESN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

AARON DOESN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

I FEELING PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

SO WE'LL JUST HAVE, UH, ANY OBJECTION TO HAVING LEGISLATION PREPARED FOR, UM, FOR THE MAY 9TH MEETING REGARDING PLANNING'S RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN, UH, AND THAT'LL GET AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ONCE AND FOR ALL AT THAT TIME.

YEAH, .

ALRIGHT.

UH, BEFORE WE MOVE TO ADJOURNMENT, UH, AND I'M NUMBER FOUR, I JUST WANNA DISCUSS, UH, HAVE A, A, A CONVERSATION BEFORE YOU GET INTO OUR ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, RUSS GET READY.

'CAUSE I HOPE WE THROW A LOT OF WORK YOUR WAY.

UM, SO RECENTLY I THINK IT, IT KINDA MY ATTENTION, I GUESS I RUFFLED SOME FEATHERS REGARDING, UH, SOME WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND YOU KNOW, I SAID BEFORE THAT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SMART PEOPLE UP HERE TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, UH, TO WORK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE STUDY.

AND I KNOW WE'VE SEEN LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS ON RAISING WATER RATES AND I KNOW FROM A A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND RICK, I KNOW YOU HAD EVEN HAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER UTILITY SHOULD FUND ITSELF.

SO $1.8 MILLION ANNUALLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD, I CERTAINLY RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BY SAYING THAT.

UH, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, INVESTING IN OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT INCREASING THE RATES.

AND I, UH, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME FOR A SECOND, I THINK THE SOLUTION ACTUALLY IS VERY EASY, UH, IN A WAY TO GET THIS DONE.

SO BRIAN, RIGHT NOW WHAT IS OUR, JUST TO REAFFIRM, WHAT IS OUR ANNUAL BUDGET FOR WATER AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW? UH, SO FOR WHAT WE PUT INTO THE WATER MAIN PRESENTLY FOR WHAT WE PUT INTO WHAT? YES.

BASED ON THE, THE RECENT DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING, HOW MUCH ARE WE PUTTING IN? SO WE PUT ABOUT $1.8 MILLION ANNUALLY.

SO INSTEAD OF SPENDING SO 1.8 MILLION THIS YEAR, 1.8 MILLION NEXT YEAR, 1.8 MILLION THE FOLLOWING YEAR, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THE COST OF PIPE IS GONNA GO UP AND INCREASE? YES.

IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THE PRICE OF LABOR IS GONNA GO UP AND INCREASE? OF COURSE.

UH, I DON'T TEACH MATH, BUT THAT TELLS ME THAT'S $18 MILLION.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST STOP ALL THAT AND TAKE CARE OF NOW IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND $1.8 MILLION EVERY YEAR, WHY DON'T WE TURN THE $1.8 MILLION INTO DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS? IT'S ALREADY BUDGETED.

AND JUST ON THE, ON THE SHORT SIDE OF THIS, I KNOW WE USED TO BE ABLE TO BORROW ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR WHAT? 70, $75,000 PER YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE.

SO WITH INTEREST RATES HIGHER, NOW EVEN, LET'S SAY THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND BUCKS.

IF IT, IF IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MILLION AND WE PUT $1.8 MILLION A YEAR TOWARDS DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS,

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ALRIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE BOND $18 MILLION AND USE OUR ANNUAL PAYMENTS THAT WE ARE GONNA PUT IN THE GROUNDS RIGHT NOW AND GO AHEAD AND BORROW THE MONEY, USE THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS FOR THE DEBT SERVICE, PUT RUST TO WORK, INSTEAD OF DESIGNING 25 STREETS DESIGN ABOUT 50 STREETS AT A TIME.

I TOLD YOU, YOU'RE GETTING AN ASSISTANT.

, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY PROVED THAT YOU'RE GETTING AN ASSISTANT.

ALRIGHT? IF WE HAVE A $40 MILLION BACKLOG, IF IT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MILLION, NOW WE ONLY GOTTA FIND $200,000 TO BE ABLE TO ADD TO THAT.

IF THAT'S THE CASE BASED ON COST SAVINGS, IT MIGHT NOT, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED AN EXTRA $200,000, GET 20 MILLION BUCKS WORTH OF PIPE, GET IT IN THE GROUND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FOR FIVE YEARS, HOW MUCH IS THAT? WELL, THAT'S $4 MILLION A YEAR.

ISN'T THAT WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE STUDY SAID? MM-HMM.

SO OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE CAN GET 20 MILLION IN THE GROUND AND THEN WE GOT THE OTHER HALF, THE OTHER 20 MILLION.

AND WHAT DO WE KNOW THAT BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD AND IN 2031 WE HAVE ANOTHER 1.2 MILLION COMING AVAILABLE.

WELL, THAT'D BE ABOUT ANOTHER $12 MILLION WE COULD BOND OUT AND WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF THIS WATER ISSUE AND JUST GET IT DONE.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

AND GUESS HOW MUCH THAT COSTS EXTRA THE TAXPAYERS IN THE WATER CUSTOMERS WE HAVE IN THE CITY? NOTHING.

NOTHING.

BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY BUDGETING $1.8 MILLION EVERY YEAR TO PUT IN THE GROUND ANYWAY.

SO IF I'M JUST OFF MY ROCK OR CRAZY HERE, SOMEBODY TELL ME PLEASE.

BUT I THINK THAT'S HOW WE DO THIS.

I NEED IT.

THANK YOU .

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO THANK YOU.

THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

WE CAN GET TO WORK ON IT.

SO I I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY UNILATERAL DECISIONS HERE AS I GET ACCUSED OF DOING ALL THE TIME.

I WANNA MAKE SURE COUNSEL'S FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THE INTENTION AND THE ASK OF STAFF WOULD BE TO DO TO START WORKING ON THIS.

I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT.

MARK, NOT ONLY AM I IN AGREEMENT, BUT I ECHO ANITA.

WE'VE ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS.

I APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP.

SO IT'S OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE DOLLARS AND CENTS AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROGRAM STARTED SOONER THAN LATER.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU AGAIN, RICK ISSUES.

UH, NO, I SEE NO ISSUES.

I THINK WE CAN GET TO WORK AND, UH, HOPEFULLY BRING SOMETHING TO COUNSEL IN THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO.

RUSS, YOU'RE STILL BREATHING SO YOU OKAY OVER THERE, ? YEAH, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WAS, UH, FOR US TO DO A PROGRAM, IT TYPICALLY DOES TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO 4 MILLION, COULD WE DO A $6 MILLION EVERY YEAR AND A HALF INSTEAD OF A 4 MILLION EVERY YEAR? UH, WHATEVER IS THE MOST COST EFFECT.

I MEAN, LOOK, I I, WHATEVER'S THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR YOU TO DESIGN ENOUGH PIPE, OKAY.

WHERE WE CAN BOND OUT 18 TO $20 MILLION AND THE, THE DESIGN STAGE AND THE TIMEFRAME, THAT IS GONNA BE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

NOT US.

OKAY? WE'RE GONNA APPROPRIATE THE MONEY, WE'LL APPROVE THE BOND, WE'LL APPROVE THE MONEY TO GET DONE.

YOU FIGURE OUT HOW IT GETS DESIGNED, HOW IT GETS IN THE GROUND.

FAIR ENOUGH? YEP.