[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road April 9, 2024 6:00 P.M. ]
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SO CALL THE MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
SECRETARY, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS, IF ANYTHING ELSE ON THE D.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, NOT PERTAINING TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IN HEARING NOW, WE'LL MOVE ON TO SWEARING OF WITNESSES.
I ANNOUNCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I'LL ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE THEIR RIGHT HAND AND RESPOND.
DUE TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
ONCE YOU DO COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK, UH, UH, PLEASE SIGN IN ON THE SIGNIN SHEET PROVIDED AND, UH, GIVE YOUR NAME.
OUR FIRST ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDA.
UH, IT IS, UH, WE HAVE NO OPINION BUSINESS.
THE FIRST ITEM IN A NEW BUSINESS, SPECIAL USE OF THE APPLICANT.
THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 54,000 SQUARE FOOT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IN ASSOCIATED STORAGE BUILDINGS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5 0 0 1 TAPER SWIFT ROAD, SG 24 0 6.
UH, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN SORE CITY OF, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE CASE, UM, FOR A NEW PUBLIC COURTS FACILITY THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED.
UH, SO THIS IS A, UH, THE PROJECT IS A 55,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FACILITY WITH OFFICE SPACE, UH, WORKSHOPS, INDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE REPAIR FACILITIES.
UH, THERE'S AN OUTDOOR SALT STORAGE BUILDING, UH, AND A FUELING ISLAND.
THE OVERALL USE IS PERMITTED IN THE I ONE, BUT SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL USES, UH, REQUIRES SPECIAL USE APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THE STORAGE AND ACTIVITIES WILL INCUR, WILL OCCUR INDOORS.
UH, SO WE FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE MINIMAL TO NO IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION, UH, IT'S 9.9 ACRES.
IT'S REALLY KIND OF, UH, TWO SITES.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE, THE, THE SITE SLOPES, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY GOING EAST TO WEST.
UH, THERE'S ABOUT A 60 FOOT DROP FROM THE, UH, WEST, EAST SIDE TO THE WEST SIDE.
SO REALLY MOST OF THE, UM, BUILDING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WHERE THAT, UH, THE ABANDONED CUL-DE-SAC IS THERE.
UH, SO IT IS ZONED I ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, SURROUNDING ZONING, UH, TO THE NORTH IS BOTH, UH, I ONE AND PLANNED, UH, COMMERCIAL TO THE, THE EAST IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, IT'S R FOUR, AND TO THE WEST IS PLANNED RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
UM, SO THIS IS, SO I, THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
IN ORDER TO DEFEND IT ON THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
THIS IS, UH, NORTH WOULD BE, UH, TO YOUR, UM, EXCUSE ME, TO YOUR LEFT HERE.
SO THIS IS TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, WILDCAT ROAD, UH, WILL BE HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE THE PUBLIC WORK OFFICES.
THIS IS THE INDOOR, UM, STORAGE FACILITY.
ALL OF THE WORKSHOPS, REPAIR BAYS, WASH FACILITIES ARE ON THE BACKSIDE, UH, OF THE BUILDING.
WHEN, WHEN COMPARED TO, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE ALONG WILDCAT.
UM, THE, THE FACIL, THE MAIN TRUCKS ENTERING WOULD ENTER OFF OF WILDCAT HERE.
UM, THEY WOULD ENTER INTO THE FACILITY THIS WAY.
THIS IS THE SALT BARN IN A FUELING ISLAND, UH, AND THEN PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE.
SO THE WAY THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, REALLY NE NECESSITATES, UM, ENTRY FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE ARE REPAIR BAYS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH ALL HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE WAY THAT THE PARKING IS LAID OUT, UM, YOU ENTER FROM THE NORTH, UH, EXIT HERE, FROM FROM THE WEST.
UM, THESE ARE THE, THE PUBLIC FACING FACADES.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, THE, THE FACADE THAT FACES TAYLORSVILLE, UH, MOSTLY THE OFFICE SPACE, UH, MIXTURE OF BRICK AND PRECAST CONCRETE.
UH, THE BUILDING IS ONLY ABOUT 36, UH, FEET TALL, SO NOT MUCH TALLER THAN, THAN A, UH, A TALL SINGLE OR TALL TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
UM, THIS IS THE, THE FACADE THAT WOULD FACE WILDCAT IS PRECAST
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CONCRETE.THERE'S ONLY ONE, UH, GARAGE DOOR, UH, THAT WOULD BE OPENING TO WILDCAT.
SO, UH, ANY NOISE IS PRETTY MINIMAL, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO, THERE'S ONLY ONE BUILDING PENETRATION, UH, ON THAT, UH, WEST SIDE.
AS FAR AS THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS ALL OF THE, THE REPAIR BASE HERE.
THERE'S A WAS BAY, UH, OVER ON, ON THIS SIDE.
UH, THIS WOULD BE THE NORTH FACADE.
AGAIN, THESE ARE THE TWO ENTRANCES TO THE MAIN BUILDING, AND THEN THE ENTRANCE TO THE WASH BAY.
UM, EXCUSE ME, LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SLIGHTS THE SITE SLOPES FROM, UH, EAST TO WEST, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT RETAINING, UH, RETENTION PONDS.
SO THIS IS THE MAIN RETENTION POND THAT IS BEHIND THE, THE FUELING CENTER.
THIS WOULD BE ON THE NORTH END OF THE SITE.
UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE SMALL RETENTION PONDS THAT WOULD, UH, THEY'RE ALL DRY BASINS, UM, THAT WOULD FACE, UH, WILDCAT AND THEN A SMALL LITTLE RETENTION AREA, UM, ALONG, UH, TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
SO THERE ARE, UM, 10 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVING, UH, THE SPECIAL USES THAT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER.
UM, THE FIRST IS THAT, UH, ONE, THAT THE SPECIAL USE IS ESTABLISHED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, INVOLVED.
UH, AND IN FACT, UH, CHAPTER 1156 DOES LIST SEVERAL, LIST SEVERAL USES THAT ARE INHERENT TO A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, INCLUDING HEAVY EQUIPMENT STORAGE, AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATIONS, YARDS FOR, UH, MATERIAL STORAGE.
WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THIS WILL BE INDOOR.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY WILL HAVE A FUELING ISLAND, A SALT WARRANT STORAGE STRUCTURE, AND INDOOR VEHICLE PARKING.
UH, THE SECOND CRITERIA IS THAT THE, UH, THE USE SHALL BE HARM, HARMONIOUS WITH AND ACCORDANCE WITH THE GENERAL OBJECTIVES OF MANY, UH, OR WITH ANY SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES OF THE CITY AND OR THE ZONING, UH, ORDINANCE.
THIS FACILITY IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, UM, REALLY TO MAKE SURE AND TO KEEP, UH, OUR EQUIPMENT, UH, INDOORS, UH, OUT OF THE ELEMENTS AND PROLONG THEIR OF LIFE.
UH, THE I ONE DISTRICT DOES PROVIDE FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS SINCE ONE.
ALL OF THE, THE, THE LOUD NOISES, THE REPAIR, THE WASH BASE, ALL OF THAT, UH, INDOORS, UH, WHAT WOULD OCCUR OUTSIDE IS ON THE OPPOSITE BUILT SIDE OF THE BUILDING FROM, FROM, UH, ANY OF THE, THE RESIDENCE.
BUT WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY SIGNIFICANT OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OF MATERIALS, UH, ARE GONNA BE PLANNED.
UH, THIS THIRD CRITERIA IS THAT, UH, THE USE SHOULD BE DESIGNED, CONSTRUCT, OPERATE, AND MAINTAINED.
SO IT'S NOT AS TO BE HARMONIOUS, APPROPRIATE APPEARANCE WITH THE EXISTING OR INTENDED CHARACTER OF THE GENERAL VICINITY, UH, IN THAT SAME AREA.
SO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN BUILDING IS AN ATTRACTIVE MIX OF BRICK AND STONE.
THEN PRECAST, UH, CONCRETE THAT FACES TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.
UM, THE BUILDING SITS BACK NEARLY 200 FEET, UM, FROM TAYLORSVILLE, GIVEN THE, BASED ON THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY.
UM, AND SINCE, UH, OPERATIONS HAVE GONE INDOORS, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A MINIMAL IMPACT, UH, TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, THE FACADE ON A WILDCAT HAS ONLY ONE, UM, OPENING, AGAIN, PRECAST, UH, CONCRETE WITH, UM, UH, BRICK, UM, BRICK ENHANCEMENTS ALONG WITH, UH, UH, SOME WINDOWS, UH, ALONG THE TOP END.
UM, FOURTH CRITERIA IS THAT NOT BE HAZARDOUS OR DISTURBING TO EXISTING OR FU FUTURE, EXCUSE ME, NEIGHBORING USES.
UM, THIS AREA IS KIND OF A, AN ECLECTIC MIX OF INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE, THAT THIS PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IS GONNA DISTURB, UH, THE EXISTING OR FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, USES.
FUEL STORAGE IS GONNA BE UNDERGROUND.
SALT STORAGE IS GONNA BE WITHIN THE BUILDING.
THERE WON'T BE ANY OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT, UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, ON SITE.
UH, THE FIFTH CRITERIA IT REALLY REGARD, UH, RELATES TO PUBLIC UTILITIES AND SERVICES.
UH, THIS SITE HAS ACCESS TO ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC SERVICES, UH, AND UTILITIES.
UM, THE SIXTH CRITERIA IS THAT THEY'RE NOT, THAT THE SITE OR THE USE NOT CREATE EXCESSIVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE PUBLIC COST.
WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THIS FACILITY TO REDUCE THE OVERALL COST TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF, OF OUR EQUIPMENT SO THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE OUR RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS.
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USE DOES NOT INVOLVE ACTIVITIES, MATERIALS, UH, THAT ARE REALLY HARMFUL TO THE GENERAL WELFARE.AS I MENTIONED NUMEROUS TIMES, MOST OF THE ACTIVITIES, UH, IF NOT ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES WILL OCCUR, UH, INDOORS.
UM, AS FAR AS VEHICULAR APPROACH AND PROPERTY, UM, AS IN TRAFFIC ACCESS TO THE, THE FACILITY WILL BE FROM WILDCAT.
UH, WE WILL NOT PRODUCE OR DEVELOP ADDITIONAL CURB CUTS ON TAYLORSVILLE.
UM, NONE OF THOSE ARE CONTEMPLATED.
THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL ACCESS, UH, FOR A SECOND PHASE, UM, AT THE HIGH END OF THE SITE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A FUTURE, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND LASTLY THAT THE, THE USE SHALL NOT RESULT IN THE DESTRUCTION, LOSS, OR DAMAGE OF NATURAL SCENIC OR HISTORIC FEATURES OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE.
SO THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED AS SMALL INDUSTRIAL PARK.
IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR MANY YEARS.
THERE'S REALLY NO ENVIRONMENTAL OR CULTURAL FEATURES THAT EXIST ON THIS SITE.
IT'S LARGELY OVERGROWN VEGETATION, UH, DUE TO YEARS OF, UH, DORMANCY.
UM, LASTLY THAT THE SITE SHALL SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO ALL ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO BASED ON OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THE PLANS, THE SITE PLAN, UH, AND BUILDINGS CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE I ONE DISTRICT, UH, THIS INCLUDES SETBACKS, ELEVATION, PARKING, AND LANDSCAPING.
UH, A FORMAL REVIEW WILL BE DONE, UM, WHEN WE START THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO, STAFF FEELS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 11 35 0 1, EXCUSE ME, 1130 5.1, HAVE BEEN MET, UH, AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE, UH, APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE OPTION OF EITHER APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION, DENYING THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION WHILE TABLING THE, THIS APPLICATION FOR FURTHER, UH, FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
UH, I DID NOT GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE ENTIRE SET OF PLANS.
YOU HAD ALL THE RELEVANT, UM, SHEETS, BUT, UM, WHAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE, THE ARCHITECT WAS THE FULL PERMITTING SET AND 80 SOME ODD PAGES, WHICH WAS NOT NECESSARY.
BUT DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME? AND MIKE GRAY IS HERE FROM PUBLIC WORKS, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL USE OF THE FACILITY, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. CASSON, THAT SECTION OF WILDCAT, UNLESS IT'S CHANGED IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, IS A LITTLE ROUGH.
IS THERE ANY PLANS TO REPAVE THAT ROAD AS PART OF THIS? THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, WE'RE TALKING TO, UH, THE, THE CITY ENGINEER.
WE WILL BE PUTTING, UH, CURB AND GUTTERS ON THE EAST SIDE OF WILDCAT AS PART OF THIS.
UM, I WILL GET A BETTER ANSWER TO YOU, UM, AFTER I TALK TO, TO RUSS ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT IS ON THE, ON THE REPAVING SCHEDULE.
AS FARGO, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE ADDRESS IS ON TAYLORSVILLE? BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT THE, THAT THERE'S NO ENTRANCE FROM TAYLORSVILLE, AND I BELIEVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACES WILDCAT.
SO WHY WAS THAT DECISION MADE AND WHO MADE IT? SO THE SITE ITSELF HAS A TAYLORSVILLE ADDRESS.
IT'S JUST ALWAYS HAD A TAYLORSVILLE ADDRESS.
AND, AND, UM, WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T BOTHER TO CHANGE IT, THE FRONT DOOR BASES, TAYLORSVILLE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, THE UNDERGROUND FUEL STORAGE, WHAT KIND OF SAFETY MEASURES ARE TAKEN TO AVOID LEAKS? SO I'M GONNA LET MIKE, UH, ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, THAT WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE CONTRACTOR WHO'S ESTABLISHED WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPANY, DEVELOPING THAT BY THE CONTRACTOR.
AND ARE, ARE THERE ANY STATE REGULATIONS OR FEDERAL REGULATIONS? SURE.
YEAH, THERE ARE STATE REGULATIONS.
UH, THEY'RE REGULATED BY, UM, BUSTER, THE BUREAU OF UNDERGROUND, UM, STORE BUSTER, BUREAU OF UNDERGROUND STORAGE AND TANKS, SOMETHING.
UM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A DIVISION OF THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL.
UH, SO ALL OF ALL OF THE BUILDING, UH, IN THE SITE WILL COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS AS IT, AS IT RELATES TO THE INSTALLATION AND MONITORING OF, UM, THE FUELING CENTER.
AND, UH, MY LAST QUESTION IS FOR MIKE
UH, DID THE PUBLIC WORKS PERSONNEL HAVE INPUT INTO ANY OF ANY OF THIS, OR WERE YOU JUST, WAS IT JUST PRESENTED TO YOU? UM, MANY STAFF HAS HAD, YES.
MR. GRAY, COULD YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE? SURE.
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THAT, THAT, THAT WAS INVOLVED? YES, THERE WAS, THERE WERE CITY STAFF OF COURSE, AND, AND PUBLIC COURT STAFF THAT HAD INPUT IN THE WHOLE PROCESS.THEY KNOW WHAT NEEDS, IF ANY CHANGES NEED TO BE DONE.
AND I REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT THE TIME OR THE PLACE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THE RANK AND FILE ARE INVOLVED IN, UH, AT LEAST TAKING A LOOK BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT TO US TO LET US KNOW.
ARE THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT WE MISS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF? BECAUSE THEY WORK THERE EVERY DAY? WELL, LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE HAD MUCH INPUT AS FAR AS, UM, THE MAINTENANCE BAYS, UM, SOME OF THE BREAK ROOM FACILITIES.
UM, ALSO THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF HAS PROVIDED INPUT INTO THE OFFICE AREAS.
UM, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY NOW, UM, HAVE BEEN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK ANYTHING'S IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, UM, BASICALLY THE DESIGN OF THIS WAS PUT FORWARD TO SUSTAIN FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, UM, WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.
SO THERE'S BEEN MUCH INPUT AND, AND TIME CONSUMED WITH GETTING NEW INPUT FROM DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE.
UM, I REALIZE THAT YOU CAME UP THROUGH THE RANKS.
I COULDN'T HAVE A BETTER REPRESENTATIVE FROM STAFF THAN YOU ARE, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP FOR ANY, ANY, UH, ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT, MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT IT, CONSIDER IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, AARON.
AARON, THE POND ON THE, I GUESS ON THE TAYLORSVILLE SIDE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE A RETENTION ON THAT SIDE AND ON THE, SORRY.
UM, SO, SO, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS, THE ONE TO THE NORTH IS THE, THE MAIN RETENTION POND.
LEMME SEE IF I GOT A BETTER PICTURE.
THE, THE, THE POND TO THE NORTH END IS THE MAIN RETENTION, UH, WELL, REALLY DETENTION FACILITY, WELL, SORRY, RETENTION FACILITY.
UH, THERE IS THIS SOLID BLACK LINE IS A LARGE RETAIN, UH, RETAINING WALL.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE WATER THAT FLOWS AROUND EACH SIDE OF THE, THE RE THE RETAINING WALL.
UH, SO, WHICH WILL FLOW INTO THIS SMALL, UH, DETENTION POND THAT'S HERE ON TAYLORSVILLE.
BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, THE SITE SLOPES, UM, MORE THAN ONE GIANT POND IS NECESSARY, THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN BEING THAT, 'CAUSE I MEAN, WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THE SITE, THERE'S QUITE A DROP ALREADY.
SO UPHILL FROM THE POND, WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? I SEE IT LOOKS LIKE SOME TREES AND IF WE GONNA BE LIKE A SWELL WITH TREES IN THERE, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT UP TO KIND OF BREAK? BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT OF DOWNHILL RUN OF WATER, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE DIVERTING ALL THE WAY OFF TO THE SIDE.
SO, SO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILD THE, THE RETAINING WALL, THEY'LL BE, UM, DRAINAGE PIPING BEHIND THE RETAINING WALL.
OTHERWISE IT, YOU'LL OVER TIME JUST PUSH FORWARD.
UH, WHICH WILL THEN DIVERT ITSELF EITHER TO, TO THE SOUTH, OR AGAIN, THE, THE SALT BARN IS ALSO GONNA BE KIND OF BUILT IN THE HILLSIDE.
IT'LL ALSO COME AROUND TO THAT SIDE.
UH, AND, AND AGAIN, THE MAIN DETENTION POND IS HERE TO THE NORTH.
AND SO THIS IS RIGHT NOW THE BASIC PLAN.
SO THE DETAIL WOULD COME IN ON, NO, SINCE, UH, IT'S, IT'S STRAIGHT ZONED I ONE, UM, APPROVED SPECIAL USE, THEN IT'S A SPECIAL USE.
WE, AFTER ASSUMING THAT THIS BODY APPROVED THE SPECIAL USE, WE WILL DO A DETAILED DIVE IN THE ACTUAL PERMITTING PROCESS FROM ZONING.
AND MY, MY, I'M NOT THE ENGINEER, MY ONLY ASK WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT POND WHERE WE ON TAYLORSVILLE NEVER OVERFLOWS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA JUST CONTINUE DOWNHILL.
'CAUSE THE VEGETATION THAT'S BEEN THERE HAS BEEN TAKING CARE OF A LOT OF THE WATER DISTRIBUTION, EVEN JUST OVER THE GROUND.
IT'S BEEN TAKING CARE OF A LOT OF IT.
WHERE NOW WE'RE GONNA CREATE A WATER DIRECTION.
SO I MEAN, THERE'S NOW A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UM, BETWEEN THE BUILDING, THE, THE, THE CONCRETE SITE HERE, UH, WHICH IS WHY THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY
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ONE, THERE'S ONE MAIN POND AND THEN TWO SMALL RETENTION PONDS AREAS.I DON'T WANNA CALL 'EM PONDS 'CAUSE THEY'RE DRY.
SO RETENTION AREAS, THE, THE TRUCK PARKING, IT'S EAST OF THIS IS THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, A PHASE TWO.
IF, UH, WE WERE TO EXPAND THE, THE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, PHASE TWO, WE DO OWN PROPERTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WILL BE LIKE SIGNIFICANTLY UP THE HILL RIGHT FROM THE RETAIN, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS INITIAL PHASE.
I KNOW IF THIS IS FOR AARON OR IF IT'S FOR MIKE.
UM, SO THE, SO BARN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WILL THAT BE BEING REMOVED AND YOU'RE NOT USING IT ANYMORE? OR IS IT JUST GONNA STILL SERVE ITS PURPOSE? IT'LL SERVE ITS PURPOSE AS A SATELLITE.
SO IT'LL STAY UP AT THE MM-HMM.
UM, I THINK THE, THE FRONT FACILITY ADMINISTRATIVELY WE'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACILITY, THE THREE BAYS, UM, THOSE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS STRUCTURAL SOUNDNESS HAVE BEEN DONE FOR SOME TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF, MR. CASSY? YEAH.
UM, THIS IS PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR YOU, MIKE, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE SALT, UH, STORAGE.
IS THERE ANY SPECIAL THING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR RUNOFF, UM, PREVENTION FOR THAT? THERE ARE EPA REGULATIONS.
THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPANY THAT DESIGNED IT.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS ON THE INGROUND LIFTS.
UH, I THINK THERE'S TWO OF THEM FOR THE, UH, VEHICLE REPAIR ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE, THOSE THINGS ARE PRETTY NOTORIOUS FOR LEAKING OIL AND, AND HAVING SOME CHALLENGES.
I KNOW THEY'RE PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO PUT IN AS WELL.
IS THERE ANY WAY, AND MAYBE THE VEHICLE WEIGHT DOESN'T ALLOW THIS, BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD USE SORT OF A FOUR POST LIFT THERE INSTEAD SO THAT EVERYTHING'S ABOVE GROUND? OR IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON WHY WE'RE USING THE IN GROUND? SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN EXACTLY IRON OUT.
THOSE THE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS I WOULD CALL THEM AS FAR AS THE AESTHETICS OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GO INTO THE BUILDING.
I USE THOSE AS HOUSEKEEPING BECAUSE THEN IT'S DECIDED UPON, OKAY, WHAT IS OUR BUDGET, WHERE WE'RE AT NOW? WHAT ARE WE IMPROVING ON? WHAT IS THE CLINIC MISSION RECOMMENDING AND MOVING FORWARD? SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS AS FAR AS THE AESTHETICS THAT ARE IN THERE, SOME OF THE, THERE'S A CRANE LIFT IN THERE, SO SOME THINGS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL PROCESS.
YEAH, I, I THINK IF, IF WE CAN AVOID THE IN GROUND, UM, LIFTS, THAT WOULD BE I THINK THE PREFERENCE.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT CHEAPER USE OF FOUR POST LIFT, BUT, UM, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE LIFTING, IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TOO OF FUTURE ASPECTS OF WHAT THE DESIRE IS, UM, BY STAFF AND COUNSEL TO WHAT WILL BE OPERATING ON IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU MR. LL.
MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? I DON'T.
MR. GRAY, WE UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES.
NO, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ON, ON THE PRINTOUT.
WHERE DID YOU SAY THAT? COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME, SIR? OH, JAMES TO, 'CAUSE MY BACKYARD SITS RIGHT WHERE IT'S GOING.
ONE OF THE REASON I MOVED THERE WAS BECAUSE OF THE WOODS BEING RIGHT THERE.
I THINK WHAT DAVID SAID ABOUT THE BLACKTOP NEEDING TO BE THERE.
I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A NICER FACILITY, I THINK YOU NEED TO GO ON AND BEAUTIFY IT AND KEEP IT GOING.
OTHERWISE WE JUST GOT ANOTHER LOOK LIKE AN ALLEY LIKE IT IS NOW.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, UH, MY QUESTION FOR YOU WAS, I, I DON'T SEE IT THERE.
WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA STORAGE SALT IT? YEAH, BECAUSE I COULD NOT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THE SALT STORAGE BARN WILL BE IN THE FAR NORTHEAST CORNER.
BACK OVER WHERE THAT POND? IS THAT WHERE THE OTHER HOUSE IS AT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE MY, I'M AT THE FIRST GET OFF TAYLORVILLE.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT, UH, YEAH, ALL OF THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE, OF THE FACILITY, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE.
YOU'VE DONE A SURVEY TO SEE HOW THE WATER IS THROWING EVERYTHING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MY YARD IS SOAKING WET 24 HOURS A DAY,
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YOU KNOW, FROM WATER RUNNING FROM THERE.AND, AND, AND ONE THING THEY SAID IT WAS AN UNDERGROUND STREAM HERE THAT CAUSED IT, YOU KNOW.
SO HAVE YOU GUYS DONE A SURVEY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO STOP THAT WATER FROM RUNNING? BECAUSE WHATEVER THAT WATER BRINGS IS GONNA BRING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT RUNS, GONNA BRING WHATEVER YOU GOT.
ONE OTHER QUESTION ON TOP OF THE HILL IS THE TRUCKING COMPANY.
THEY ALREADY DROPPING STUFF, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THEM TO MAYBE STOP ALSO SOME OF THEIR STUFF COME UP HERE? 'CAUSE ALL YOU DO IS BRING SEMIT TRUCKS, PARK 'EM THERE AND DO WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO DO.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST DEIFYING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE 27 YEARS.
YOUR HEIGHT IS GETTING BIGGER AS LONG AS AIN'T NO PULL THE STATION.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW FOR THE PROTECTION OF FUTURE ASPECT, BECAUSE MY WIFE JUST SENT ME A PICTURE, A POOL.
A PICTURE OF A POOL, AND SHE WANTS TO POOL IN THE BACKYARD AND WE'LL BE RIGHT THERE
SO, UM, SO WHICH, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I LIVE.
IF YOU, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THE ROAD GOES IN THERE.
THAT THE ROAD IS ALREADY THERE.
YOU LIVE RIGHT, RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
AS YOU WALK RIGHT BACK TO MY BACKYARD.
SO THE SALT BARN WOULD BE ROUGHLY ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE TRUCKING FACILITY.
I'LL TALK TO STAFF THAT'S BEEN LOOKING AT THIS.
BUT IN GENERAL, UM, THE, THE WATER RUNOFF ISSUES THAT YOU'RE HAVING SHOULD BE SOLVED BY, BY THIS PROJECT BECAUSE NO, NO ADDITIONAL WATER WILL RUN OFF THAN IT IS NOW.
AND MOST OF IT, IF NOT ALL OF IT, WILL BE CONTAINED ON SITE AND THEN, UM, FED INTO THE, THE SOURCE.
UH, AND SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE LIMIT.
SO THIS CURSOR HERE IS KIND OF THE LIMIT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS ALL THIS ONE, THIS IS THE HILLSIDE.
THIS IS ABOUT 60 FEET HIGHER THAN THE WILDCAT SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES.
SO YOU, YOU'RE SAYING WATER ISSUES SHOULD BE IMPROVED.
NOT SOLVED, WE HOPE IMPROVED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID BECAUSE IF, IF HE DOES THE BLACKTOP, LIKE YOU SAID, THEN THAT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MORE, UH, BLOCKAGE FROM THE WATER COMING DOWN.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO DIRECT IT MORE THAN NATURE IS NOW.
SO THAT, THAT WILL MAKE ME HAPPY.
YOU I MIGHT EVEN PUT SOME BALLOONS UP.
BUT UH, I THINK THAT'S IN THE HOURS WOULD BE LIKE NINE TO FIVE WEEKENDS OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? OR IT'S JUST AS NEEDED.
OUR REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS ARE SEVEN TO 3 37 7 IN THE MORNING TO THREE IN THE EVENING.
OF COURSE YOU'LL HAVE SOME OVERTIME HOURS.
YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO KEEP THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT GOING, GOING.
YOU KNOW, UH, MONTHLY MAIN THING IS THE BLACKTOP TO KEEP YOU BEAUTIFIED.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A BUILDING BACK THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING BACK THERE, YOU MIGHT WELL GO AWAY OR NOT DO IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A NICE BUILDING AND THE FACILITY LOOKS GOOD.
YOU STILL GOT A RAGY ROAD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAVE MY PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, I, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY, YOU KNOW? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND IF I'M OUT THERE SKINNY DI JUST TELL 'EM DON'T LOAD
BUT, UH, AND, AND PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE MY HOUSE SITS AT, ARE WE ALLOWED TO PUT, UH, PRIVACY FENCES THERE BECAUSE IT SITS IN THE MIDDLE AND WE ALL GOT CHAIN GATES, I MEAN FENCES RIGHT THERE.
I'M STILL AWARE OF EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE.
SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU, YOU COME OFF TAYLORVILLE GOING IN THE WILD ROAD.
A HOUSE CHANGE FENCE FIRST RACE STOP RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY KEEP RUNNING AND HITTING THAT ROCK AT GOING DOWN TAYLORSVILLE, THAT HOUSE SITS RIGHT THERE.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER CHANGE FENCE, ANOTHER CHANGE FENCE.
THEN ICE IS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
THEN THE GUY THAT, THAT PARKS ALL THE CARS ON THE STREET.
YOU KNOW? SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, UH, PRIVACY OFFENSES ARE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE I, BECAUSE I SAID SINCE I WAS IN THE MIDDLE SINCE I WAS IN THE MIDDLE, YEAH.
EVEN IF I PUT THEM THIS SIDE, WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER PLACE, I'LL COME ON UP.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CERTAIN CASE? I THINK SHE'S CYNTHIA SCHWARTZ.
UM, MY QUESTION IS JUST MAINLY, UM, IT'S GONNA BE TO YOU, UH, OKAY.
LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT IT IS RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU SAID THAT THE MAIN BRICK PART IS GONNA BE FACING TAYLOR'S FAULT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WITH THAT, YOU SAID THAT PRETTY MUCH LIKE ALL THE, ALL THE VEHICLES WILL BE GOING ALONG THE BACKSIDE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ENTRANCE FROM TAYLORSVILLE TO BEGIN WITH.
THEY'RE ALL ALL GONNA COME THROUGH WILD CAP.
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VIEW DRIVE AND MEADOW VISTA'S BACKYARD IS TO WILDCAT? SO I DIDN'T MEASURE IT, BUT TYPICALLY A LOT IS, IS AROUND A HUNDRED TO 120 FEET DEEP.I NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT PARTICULAR BUT THE SITE PLAN, SO BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE, LIKE, SAY THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE WILL PROBABLY BE I ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THE BUILDING.
UM, MINIMUM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WORRY ABOUT WITH THAT IS THE NOISE.
UM, THAT IS GOING TO COME OFF THERE WITH, UM, LET'S SAY THAT WE HAVE SNOW EMERGENCIES OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ARE COMING UP TO WHERE WE HAVE OUR ROAD ROOFS, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT CONSTANTLY COMING AND GOING, COMING AND GOING, COMING AND GOING, UM, TO MAINTAIN HUBERS ROADS.
AND I JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT NOISE THAT'S GOING TO COME TO THESE RESIDENCE THAT LIVE IN THAT KIND OF CIRCLE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT NOISE? LIKE ANY TYPE OF, UH, WALL THAT WE COULD PUT THERE OR SOMETHING? SO I WILL LET MIKE TALK ABOUT OPERATIONS 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT MY AREA
UM, BUT AS FAR AS JUST I WOULD SAY GENERAL DAY TO DAY NOISE, THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE VEHICLES ENTERING AN EXIT DURING THAT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN TO THREE P 3:00 PM UM, TIME PERIOD.
BUT AS FAR AS THE WAY THIS BUILDING IS DESIGNED, UH, IT'S PRECAST CONCRETE.
IT'S PRETTY THICK WALLS, ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE SIDE IS ALL THE WAY ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND INDOORS, YOU SHOULDN'T HEAR ANY OF IT.
UM, YOU WILL HEAR THE, THE, THE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT DURING, YOU KNOW, A REGULAR WORK DAY.
BUT AS FAR AS WELDING SHOPS, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU SHOULD NOT HEAR ANY OF IT.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO, THERE'S ONE PENETRATION ON THE WILDCAT SIDE FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH IS FOR THE TRUCKS LEAVING THE INDOOR STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, BUT THERE'S A LAW SEPARATING THAT FROM THE MAINTENANCE AREAS.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST THE NORMAL JUST, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT OF VEHICLES.
I WASN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING SINCE IT'S GONNA BE INSIDE.
I JUST, I WORRY ABOUT WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT AND YOU KNOW, FOR RIGHT NOW THE HOURS ARE SEVEN TO THREE AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, PEOPLE ARE TYPICALLY GONE AT WORK.
IT'S, IT'S WHEN WE HAVE THEM BIG EVENTS TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, WELL CRAP, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THESE VEHICLES NOW AND THEN HERE WE HAVE ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALONE THERE ARE MAD BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO HEAR THIS MUCH.
AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM.
TYPICALLY DURING THE EVENT, WE RUN INTO HOUR SHIFTS.
UM, AND TYPICALLY WITH AN EVENT, IT'S NO EVENT.
WE'LL SAY IT'S, IT'S A 24 HOUR EVENT, SO YOU'LL HAVE 10 TRUCKS OR SO ON THE ROAD PER 12 HOUR SHIFT OR SEVEN DEPENDING UPON WHAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, INCREMENT, WHETHER WE'RE RECEIVING, UM, THOSE TRUCKS.
NOW I UNDERSTAND TOO, WE'LL STILL HAVE THE OTHER FACILITY OVER HERE.
IT WILL BE A SATELLITE FACILITY SO THAT YOU CAN CUT THAT IN HALF.
SO YOU'LL HAVE FIVE OR SIX TRUCKS MAKE AT A MAXIMUM OVER A LONG, OVER AT THE SITE COMING IN, OUT AT DIFFERENT, WE'LL SAY LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING, UM, INCONVENIENT HOURS, LIKE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'LL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, DUE TO THAT FACT BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF SHIFTING AROUND A LOT.
IT'S VERY, THE, THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD MAY HEAR A A A TYPICAL IS WOULD BE TO SHIFT CHANGE, SO TO SPEAK.
IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 10 O'CLOCK, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND THEN THEY'D BE GONE WITHIN AN HALF HOUR TIME.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE PEOPLE, THERE WOULD BE A TRUCK COMING IN MAYBE TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR, YOU KNOW, THEN ANOTHER TRUCK.
SO OPERATIONAL ADVISOR THERE WAS, THERE WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T THINK YOU NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THERE'RE ALREADY TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE NOW FROM, I KNOW THE WATER DEPARTMENT
THEY WORK 24 HOUR SHIFTS AS FAR AS WATER MAIN BREAKS.
UM, THERE'S OTHER TRUCKING TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THERE.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE
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SLIGHTLY MORE THAN YOU'RE USED TO.AS FAR AS THE I ONE USES AS FAR AS THE INDUSTRIAL USES, THIS IS PRETTY BENIGN.
I DON'T LIVE BACK THERE, IT'S JUST, I JUST WORRIED ABOUT, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT END UP COMING ABOUT AND WE GET EVERYTHING DONE AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT NECESSARILY, OR WE DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE A PROBLEM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WASN'T GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT HERE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS LATER AFTER IT'S ALREADY YEAH.
ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, MARGO? YES.
BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN MA'AM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A FACILITY, ONRAMP PIKE AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL ALL AROUND IT.
AND THEY'VE NEVER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINT OF ANY KIND.
AND, UM, IT'S, THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH BETTER A MUCH, IT'S MORE ISOLATED.
BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE NOW AND THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUE THAT MAYBE THAT WILL HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
YEAH, I JUST, I FIGURED THAT THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE THE ONE THAT'S ON GRANT, UM, AND IT'S AT THE FIREHOUSE, CORRECT? BEHIND THE FIREHOUSE? YES.
SO, AND WE DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND I USED TO LIVE IN TIP CITY AND I WAS VERY CLOSE TO A TRAIN.
UM, SO YOU GET USED TO THE NOISE AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF BRING THAT UP.
'CAUSE MAYBE THEM PEOPLE ARE USED TO IT AND THESE PEOPLE, LIKE THEY HAVE SOME OF THE TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING THAT COME THROUGH THIS ALREADY, BUT ADDING TO IT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BUT AS THEY'RE SAYING, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MAYBE FIVE OR SIX TRUCKS FOR 12 HOUR SHIFTS, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS.
UH, THE GUYS WHO'S GONNA BURY THE, UH, UNDERGROUND TANKS, THE NAME OF THE FACILITY, DO YOU GUYS KNOW THE NAME OF THE FACILITY THAT'S GONNA DO THAT? SO CAN YOU GET THAT TO THEM SO WE CAN, YOU GUYS CAN DO SOME RESEARCH TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STABILITY IS, HOW, HOW THE WORK IS, BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT AFFECT US NOW, BUT THE LONGS EVERY OF THE TANKS BEING UNDERGROUND, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET AT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, MR. NO, NO, NO.
I CAN GET WITH YOU AFTER THAT.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SAY ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN ANY OF US DO ABOUT THAT.
EPA AND THE OHIO REGULATIONS AND THE BUSTERS, WHOEVERS THEY KNOW WAY MORE THAN ANY OF US.
WE WANNA FIND OUT WHEN DIG, DO OUR HOMEWORK.
YOU GUYS GOT, YOU'RE SMART THAN I AM SO Y'ALL CAN DO THE HOMEWORK AND I'LL COME IN AND TALK TO YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT, UH, JUST BEING SAFE, YOU KNOW? YEP.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? UH, I, YES SIR.
AND I'LL NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
I RETIRED THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
I DIDN'T COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT, UH, LISTEN TO BOTH OF YOU.
UH, YEAH, I THINK I GOT A LITTLE BIT I COULD PROBABLY PUT INTO, SO YOU SIR.
STEVE MASSENGILL, 72 30 SHOLL ROAD.
UM, SO I LIVE OFF SHOLL ROAD AND THEN, UM, ODI HAS A FACILITY SITTING OVER THERE AND THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD NEIGHBORS.
UH, LOOK, I'M NOT GONNA LIE, LIKE IF THEY'RE NOT LOUD, THEY DON'T PLAY THEIR MUSIC LOUD.
EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU HEAR SOME KNOCKING AND SOME BANGING.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, TRUCKS ARE COMING IN AND OUT.
BUT MY ROAD'S ALSO BEING BIG PRETTY QUICK OR THINGS ARE GETTING TAKEN CARE OF.
SO I'M NOT TOO UPSET WHEN I HEAR THEM, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE.
BUT, UH, THIS GENTLEMAN HERE, UM, JAMES, JAMES, JAMES, UM, I, I I WILL SAY LIKE YOU, YOU HAVE A VALID, UM, CONCERN BECAUSE MY DRIVEWAY IS A LITTLE SHY OF A QUARTER MILE LONG.
AND BECAUSE THAT OL FACILITY DOES SIT A LITTLE HIGHER AND ONE PROPERTY OVER FROM ME, WE GET A LOT OF RUNOFF FROM THERE.
UM, SO I, I'M SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY TO REPLACE MY DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE AND TEAR IT HAPPENS OVER TIME.
THE WAY I'M NOT VINDICTIVE ABOUT THAT OR ANYTHING.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT IS VERY VALID POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR HIM BECAUSE I THINK IF IT WAS DONE BETTER OR THERE WAS LIKE A, A DRAINING STATION, ACTUALLY CHANNELING WATER FROM THAT FACILITY DOWN INTO THE DITCH WHERE I LIVE.
UM, AND THEN WE GOT RUN OFF THAT
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RUNS INTO THE RIVER AND THAT FLOOD ZONE.BUT IF IT WAS DONE LIKE THAT, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT SOMEWHAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE, DEFINITELY, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE THING.
BUT THE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE EVERY NOW AND THEN DURING THE DAY, YOU'LL HEAR SOME BANGING AND IT'S FEW AND FAR IN BETWEEN AND IT'S, THEY'RE GREAT NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE GOTTA SAY ON THAT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING MS. SPEAK ON THIS OTHER CASE? I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY, WELL MAN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO KEEP YOU UP, SIR.
IMPROVEMENT, I MEAN, AFTER BEING OUT HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND FROM WHERE WE, WHERE OUR, WE STARTED FROM TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, SKY'S A LIMIT AND WE'RE GROWING, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST WANT EVERYTHING, IF YOU DO THESE PROJECTS, DON'T GO HAVE, GO ALL THE WAY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU'RE DOING THE STREETS OUT HERE TO MAKE IT BETTER, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
WE COMPLAINING, BUT WHEN WE GET DONE, IT'S BE LIKE, OOH, I LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW? SO EVERYTHING TAKES A LITTLE TIME.
SPEND THE MONEY YOU GONNA DO IT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND SPEND IT LATER BECAUSE YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
YOU KNOW? YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM ME? COME ON DOWN.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING YOU TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
UH, EVERYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE ON THE GUYS? IS THERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, FOR APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE? THANK YOU.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5,001 TAYLORSVILLE ROAD, CASE U 24 0 6 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF MIRANDA DATED APRIL 5TH, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERETO MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFREY.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? YES.
UH, FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE CITY? UH, I WILL, UH, CIRCLE BACK WITH, UH, MR. GRAY TOMORROW AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REPL.
THE APPLICANT'S VIC KAHN AND CHERYL ALDERMAN ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL REPL OF AN EXISTING DUPLEX CONDOMINIUM TO CREATE TWO NEW LOTS SO THAT EACH LOT CONTAINS THE LAND AND BUILDING PROPERTY IS LOCATED 52 61 AND 52 63 DRIVE, UH, RP 24 0 4.
UH, SO THIS IS A RELA OF AN EXISTING, UH, CONDO.
UM, SO COUNTRY VIEW ESTATE IS, UH, COMPRISED OF, UH, MOSTLY DUPLEX CONDOMINIUMS WHERE THE BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER, AND THE LAND IS OWNED BY A CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION.
UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, UH, COUNTRY VIEW ESTATE'S, CONDOMINIUM'S, CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION WAS DISSOLVED OR CANCELED IN 1992, ACCORDING TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE RECORDS.
UH, AND SO TO FACILITATE FUTURE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO REPL THEIR PROPERTY TO CREATE TWO LOTS, UH, WHERE THE BUILDING AND THE LAND IS, UH, OWNED BY ONE ENTITY.
SO, UM, THERE ARE, UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THESE ON COCO DRIVE.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE, AND I THINK OVER TIME WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A FEW MORE.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THE WAY IT WORKS RIGHT NOW, THE BUILDING IS, UH, IS A CONDOMINIUM, UH, EACH OWNED SEPARATELY.
THE LAND, LIKE I SAID AROUND IT, IS OWNED BY THE COUNTRY VIEW, UH, STATE'S CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION, WHICH WAS DISSOLVED IN, UH, THE EARLY NINETIES.
WE ARE ESSENTIALLY CREATING TWO LOTS, UH, BASICALLY EXACTLY LIKE WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN, UM, DEALING WITH THIS SITUATION FOR NEARLY A YEAR.
UH, AND THIS WAS THE, THE BEST RESOLUTION, UM, THAT WE FOUND IN DISCUSSING IT WITH, UH, THE COUNTY AUDITOR, THE ENGINEER, VARIOUS ATTORNEYS.
THIS, UH, THIS SOLVES THEIR, THEIR CHALLENGE.
SO THIS BASICALLY CREATES TWO LOTS, UH, AND, UH, THAT THEY CAN THEN, YOU KNOW, SELL, SELL OFF, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
TECHNICALLY IT CREATES TWO NONCONFORMITIES, UH, IN THE LOTS, WHICH WE WILL DEAL WITH IN THE FUTURE.
AS FAR AS TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE, UH, I BELIEVE R SEVEN DISTRICT, UM, DOESN'T CHANGE THE DENSITY, IT'S STILL, THE DENSITY IS STILL ALLOWED.
IT JUST, THE FRONTAGE IS, UM, IS LESS THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO WE'LL NEED TO DO SOME TEXT AMENDMENTS TO CLEAN THIS UP IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, UH, FROM STAFF'S, STAFF'S, UH, PERSPECTIVE, THE, THE NONCONFORMITIES ARE PRETTY MINOR, UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. JEFFRIES? AARON, ON THE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NONCONFORMING, IT'S BASICALLY THE SMALL LOT SIZE AND THE SETBACKS IN IT.
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JUST, IT IS THE LOT FRONTAGE.SO, UH, IN THE R SEVEN, I BELIEVE IT REQUIRES, UH, 120 FEET OR SO.
THESE ARE LIKE, ONE IS 50 AND ONE IS 70.
UM, SO, UH, I WILL, I WILL DRAFT NEW LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, NET DENSITY OVERALL AND THE CHARACTER, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT FOR POSSIBLE SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE TOO? SMALLER, MORE NONCONFORMING LOT SIZES, AND JUST IN THE ESSENCE OF AFFORDABILITY AND EXPANDED HOUSING OPTIONS, WE SHOULD, UM, OUR CODE DOESN'T ALLOW ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, SO WE, I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT, UH, BY, RIGHT.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN TRIM UP ON THE, THE, THE HIGHER DENSITY ZONING DISTRICTS, THE SIXTH AND THE SEVENTH, AND I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF VEERING AWAY FROM THIS, BUT KIND OF USING THIS AS KIND OF SOMETHING, A SPRINGING IDEA.
IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF WE WERE TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THAT, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE FUNDING GRANTS FROM GOVERNMENT OR WHEREVER ON AFFORDABILITY SIDE.
IS THERE A WAY THE CITY CAN IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS THAT REQUIRE OWNER OCCUPIED? ONLY IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE WHOLE PROJECT LIKE THAT, WELL AVOID DEVELOPER FROM COMING IN AND BUYING 'EM ALL UP AND THEN TURN 'EM BACK INTO THAT? YEAH, WE REALLY CAN'T, UH, CONTROL TENURE OF, OF THE SITE.
NOW, IF, IF, IF THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT CAME IN AND THE CITY WAS PROVIDING TAX INCENTIVES OR OTHER KIND OF INCENTIVES, WE CAN TIE THOSE INCENTIVES TO A PARTICULAR TYPE.
BUT JUST A PRIVATE DEVELOPER COMING THROUGH, WE, WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T CONTROL TENS THROUGH ZONING.
THEN THE LAST PART SAYS WE'VE GOT THESE OTHER LOTS IN THERE, AND SHOULD WE AS A CITY BE APPROACHING THESE OTHER OWNERS NOW AND JUST GETTING THIS CLEANED UP SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE? IF WE DEAL WITH IN ESTATE SETTLEMENT OR A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOT A BUYER, ESPECIALLY IN REAL ESTATE MARKET BRAND, WE DON'T HAVE, PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH MONTHS OF THIS.
SO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE, THE APPLICANTS WERE THE GUINEA PIGS ON HOW TO FIX THIS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I, I THINK WE KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT AND SO IT WON'T TAKE 12 MONTHS.
UM, BUT I'M NOT, WE DON'T HAVE, I WOULD NOT PUT THIS AT THE TOP OF THE JOB JAR AS FAR AS BEING PROACTIVE ON DEALING WITH THIS AS, AS APPLICANTS COME THROUGH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO GET THEIR OWN SURVEYOR, THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER AND SUCH.
UM, BUT WE KNOW THE PATH FORWARD, THE COUNTY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PATH FORWARD.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF A COUPLE MONTHS INSTEAD OF 12 TO 18 MONTHS.
MY WORD, IF I'M SELLING MY HOUSE AND I HAVE A BUYER AND I TELL 'EM IT'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF MONTHS, I RISK THAT BUYER BUYING ANOTHER HOUSE INSTEAD OF MINE IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG COCO AND, AND PART OF THE COUNTRY VIEW ESTATES WOULD MAYBE GET TOGETHER AND, AND DO THIS ALL AT ONCE IS, AND MAYBE GET SOME VOLUME PRICING THROUGH A SURVEYOR.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN IMPOSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. VARGA? IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE AS A REALTOR, I WAS INVOLVED IN A TRANSACTION IN THAT AREA, AND LET ME TELL YOU, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE, ABSOLUTELY A NIGHTMARE.
I THINK THAT, AND THIS, AT THAT TIME I WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS, THE COCOA DRIVE WAS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS THAT HAD THIS PARTICULAR THING.
SO WE COULD ADDRESS IT AS JUST THIS ONE AREA, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIX IT BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE A, IF YOU LOSE A BUYER, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ROUGH.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SELLING AND, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY BE IN FAVOR OF GETTING THIS FIXED SO THAT THE NEXT PERSON THAT HAS AN ISSUE IS NOT GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE.
IS THERE ANY WAY, AARON, THAT, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD WRITE SOMETHING INTO THE DECISION RECORD TO SAY FUTURE COCOA DRIVE ITEMS LIKE THIS CAN BE APPROVED OUTSIDE OF PLANNING COMMISSION, I MEAN STAFF APPROVAL? UM, I WOULD LOVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
UM, SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT I APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT I'M LEGALLY ALLOWED TO APPROVE WITHOUT TAKING IT, NOT APPROVED, BUT REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT I'M LEGALLY ALLOWED TO REVIEW OUTSIDE OF, UH, OHIO.
BECAUSE THIS IS A SUBDIVISION ALREADY, UM, OHIO LAW REQUIRES IT TO COME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS, WHICH IS YOU.
UM, SO I CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DELEGATE THAT AUTHORITY AWAY.
YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE HEARING? ONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT'S VICKY L HAHN AND CHERYL ALDERMAN FOR THE APPROVAL OF A REPL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 52 61 AND 52 63 COCOA DRIVE CASE RP 24 DASH OH FOUR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2024, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECORD DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
MR. JEFFRIES SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL ROLL.
FIVE TO ZERO, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, WHAT'S NEXT IS FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO STAY AFTER THE MEETING TO, UH, SIGN THE PLA
I DO NOT HAVE THE SPECIAL PIN.
I WILL MAKE SURE AFTER YOU SIGN IT, I WILL GET IT TO THEM TOMORROW.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REPL, THE APPLICANT OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS REQUESTING AN APPROVAL OF A REPL OF 23.7 ACRES INTO TWO LOTS PLUS RIGHT OF WAY TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND CIVIC CENTER PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 62 9 GRAND PIKE RP 24 0 2, MR. YES.
SO, UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, THE REPL OF THE LAND THAT WE WILL BE SELLING TO, UM, CONTINENTAL PROPERTIES FOR, UH, THE AUTHENTICS, UH, APARTMENT, UH, COMPLEX, AS WELL AS THE, UH, DEDICATION OF, OF RIGHT AWAY.
SO, UH, WE, THE CITY ARE AT, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REPL 23.7 ACRES TO CREATE TWO LOTS.
THE FIRST LOT IS, UH, JUST UNDER 16 ACRES, WHICH IS THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE FOR THE AUTHENTIC APARTMENTS LOT.
TWO IS, UH, 4.9, OR EXCUSE ME, 4.79 ACRES, WHICH, UH, IS THE FUTURE GOVERNANCE CENTER, WHICH IS THE NEXT CASE.
UM, THE PROPOSED REPL MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
UH, SO LOT ONE IS THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, WE ARE ALSO THEN DEDICATING, UM, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND THEN LOT TWO IS WHAT, BASICALLY WHAT WRAPS AROUND THE LIBRARY, UM, WHICH WILL BE THE NEW, UH, FUTURE GOVERNANCE CENTER.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
UM, YEAH, THIS ONE'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE, WE'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH THE LINES ON, ON THE, UH, IS REALLY ALL IT IS.
YOU, YOU, YOU'VE APPROVED THIS SUBDIVISION ONCE, UM, WE, WE MOVED SOME STREET LINES AND NOW IT'S BACK.
WILL THE PUBLIC, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? I JUST, I JUST HEARD FOR THE FIRST TIME HOW MANY UNITS GONNA BUILD IN IN THAT.
UM, SO THE APARTMENTS ARE, UH, TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY EIGHT, TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT UNITS.
WE GETTING OVER? WHAT DO YOU THINK? AGAIN, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THAT PORTION.
IS THERE A, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT? THE CITY OF YOU RIGHTS FOR APPROVE OF A RELA PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 62 0 9 GRAND PIKE ZONING CASE RP 24 0 2 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFFS MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2024.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO EXHIBIT.
IS THERE A SECOND I'LL TAKEN BY MR. JEFFRIES? SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
AS A DEVELOP, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT TO CITY HUBER HEIGHTS IS
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REQUESTING APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A PM PLAN, MIXED USE DISTRICT FOR A NEW 17,725 SQUARE FOOT GOVERNANCE CENTER.THIS CASE WAS ADVERTISED AS A COMBINED BASIC AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT ONLY SEEKS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 61 51 BRANT PIKE, BDP 24 0 7.
UM, SO AS, UH, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, WE ORIGINALLY ADVERTISED THIS AS A COMBINED BASIC AND DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, APPROVAL.
UM, THE, THE PLANS HAVE SHIFTED SOMEWHAT WITH, UM, SINCLAIR VACATING THEIR SPACE AT THE Y WE'VE NOW, UH, UNPROGRAMMED THE SENIOR CENTER AT THIS FACILITY TO THEN MOVE IT TO, TO THE Y.
SO THE, THE REASON I HAVE, UH, I'M REQUESTING IS BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IS THIS WEST SIDE.
YEAH, THE WEST SIDE AREA, PARTICULARLY ESCAPING WILL LIKELY CHANGE.
UM, THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE LOCATION, UH, WILL NOT CHANGE.
UH, SO BASICALLY EVERYTHING FROM THIS WEST EDGE TO THE EAST WILL STAY THE SAME.
UH, IT WAS THIS, UH, WE'RE STILL UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE EAST, ON THE WEST SIDE, SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, UM, WITH A, UH, 17,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, GOVERNMENT CENTER.
UM, I JUST MENTIONED THE NEW SENIOR CENTER IS GONNA MOVE TO THE FORMER SINCLAIR COMMUNITY COLLEGE LOCATION AT THE Y UH, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE DESIGN AND PLACEMENT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE DUE TO THAT.
IT SAYS WE'RE GONNA BE BASICALLY MOVING INTERIOR WALLS, PUTTING IN NEW WALLS, PUTTING IN NEW OFFICE, UH, OFFICE SPACE.
SO THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING AND ITS PHYSICAL LOCATION IS NOT IMPACTED BY THAT CHANGE OF, UH, MOVING THE SENIOR CENTER, UH, TO THE NORTH.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION, UH, RIGHT, UH, AT THE FORMER MARION MEADOWS SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS IS, UH, AN AERIAL FROM 2022.
A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST, UH, TWO YEARS.
SO THIS IS THE SITE OF THE LIBRARY.
UH, YOU HAVE JUST APPROVED THE DEDICATION OF THIS NEW ROADWAY, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UH, UH, LOT NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE AUTHENTICS, UH, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX DOG TOWN HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN RECENTLY DEMOLISHED.
UH, SO THIS IS THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S FOUR ACRES ZONED, UH, PLANNED, MIXED USE.
UM, WE, WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME ON THIS SITE, SO I THINK YOU'RE PRETTY, PRETTY WELL VERSED HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN, UH, LIBRARY TO THE, TO THE NORTH.
WE HAVE INTEGRATED THE, THE SITE TO THE LIBRARY'S PARKING LOT TO, TO USE SOME SHARED PARKING.
UM, WELL LANDSCAPED AROUND THE, THE PERIMETER.
RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 71 PARKING SPACES THAT WAS BASED ON THE, THE NEEDS OF, UH, AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE CODE BASED ON A SENIOR CENTER.
IF WE MOVE STAFF OFFICES TO THIS FACILITY, UM, THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT WILL LIKELY DECREASE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE BUILT IN OVERFLOW PARKING ON THE, ON THE STREET SIDE, ET CETERA.
UM, THIS AREA TO THE WEST, UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PROGRAMMING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, MORE OF A, A SORT OF A CENTRAL GATHERING AREA PARK LIKE, UH, AREA FOR THE APARTMENT RESIDENTS, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA.
THERE'S ROOM TO DO FOOD TRUCKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE SEEKING BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL IS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE THAT WEST SIDE YET.
SO I DIDN'T WANT TO TIE OUR HANDS.
UM, THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT AND THE, THE, RIGHT NOW THE SCHEMATIC LAYOUT OF THE, THE, OF THE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY FROM THE RESTROOMS, WHICH ARE HERE IN THE MIDDLE HEADED EAST.
SO THIS IS A NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, MEETING AREA.
THERE'S CONFERENCE ROOMS IN THE BACK.
WHAT WE'RE CHANGING IS THIS PROGRAMMING, UH, HERE ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, THESE LARGE OPEN AREAS, UM, ASSEMBLY AREAS WILL LIKELY BE CARVED UP INTO OFFICES, FLEX SPACE, UM, CONFERENCE ROOMS, ET CETERA.
UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN TAKES A LOT OF CUES FROM THE LIBRARY.
UH, SO WE CARRY THESE PLANTING BEDS ALONG GRANT PIKE.
THERE ARE STREET TREES ALONG BRANT, UH, AND THEN ALSO MEADOWS PARK DRIVE, WHICH IS THE NEW STREET THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, RIGHT NOW.
UH, LANDSCAPE TREES AND LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, UH, ET CETERA.
UM, IT'S THE SAME ARCHITECTS WHO DID THE LIBRARY.
SO THERE ARE, THEY'RE VERY CONSISTENT DESIGN ELEMENTS HERE.
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UH, THIS IS THE, THIS WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE FACADE AS YOU CAME IN, UH, MEADOWS PARK DRIVE AND YOU PULLED INTO THE, UH, INTO THE PARKING LOT.IT TAKES, AGAIN, THE SAME KIND OF DESIGN CUES AS THE LIBRARY.
THIS BOTTOM, UH, RENDERING, UH, IS THE, UM, IS THE, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM GRANT PIKE.
IT'S A MIXTURE OF BRICK, METAL PANELING, UH, OR EXCUSE ME AN ENAMEL PANELING, UM, UH, STONE, EXACTLY LIKE THE LIBRARY NEXT DOOR.
UH, SO AS FAR AS CONSISTING CONSISTENCY WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETS THE SETBACK AND BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPING MEETS CODE BUILDING MATERIALS AND, UH, UH, AND DESIGN ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE LIBRARY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, PARKING AMOUNTS MAY BE REDUCED BASED ON OFFICE SPACE.
UH, SIZE, UH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED 71 SPACES, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE CLOSE TO THAT.
UM, LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE WILL BE REVIEWED, UH, DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, OPEN SPACE HASN'T BEEN CALCULATED, BUT IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE LIBRARY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ABOUT 45% OPEN SPACE.
UM, SO I DON'T, IT WON'T BE, SHOULDN'T BE ANY LESS THAN THAT.
UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A NEW, UH, GOVERNANCE CENTER.
UH, WE RECOMMEND ONLY REALLY ONE CONDITION FOR APPROVAL, AND THAT ALL SIGNS, UH, CONFORM WITH SECTION 1189, UH, UNLESS, UH, UH, OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MS. THOMAS? SO, OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS FACILITY HERE? YOU'RE MOVING DOWN THERE.
YEAH, SO, UM, WE ALSO LEASE SPACE, UH, IN THE HUBER CENTER.
UM, TAX AND WATER ARE UP THERE, SO WE WOULD VACATE THOSE, THOSE, UH, LEASED SPACES AND MOVE THEM HERE.
SO THE QUESTION, THE COST SAVINGS, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE DOG OF A BUILDING.
I, IT, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE DOG OF A BUILDING.
IT'S TOUGH AS FAR AS THERE ARE NO CONFERENCE, REAL CONFERENCE ROOMS, NO MEETING ROOMS. IT'S TOUGH TO, IT'S A TOUGH BUILDING.
AND WE'VE OUTGROWN THIS FACILITY.
BESIDES THE CHAMBER FACILITY HERE NEEDS TO BE BIGGER THAN WHAT IT IS.
MS. VARGO, I REALIZE THIS IS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT, UH, IN LOOKING AT WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO US, IT APPEARED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL CONFERENCE ROOMS. UH, DO YOU EXPECT THAT THOSE WILL BE REALIGNED WHEN IT COMES TO US FOR THE DETAIL? UM, I THINK SO.
RIGHT NOW THERE, I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE CONFERENCE ROOMS THAN WHAT IS, WHAT WAS CURRENTLY SHOWN IN THERE.
WAS THERE A PLAN TO RENT OUT ANY OF THE ROOMS? DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW THAT? NO.
UM, SO THE, THE CURRENT PROGRAMMING WAS THERE WAS A LARGE, THERE WAS A KITCHEN AND ASSEMBLY AREA IN THE BACK FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
UM, THERE WAS A GAME ROOM HERE.
THERE WAS ALSO A LARGE, UH, ASSEMBLY AREA FOR BINGO AND JUST LARGER GATHERINGS.
THESE INTERNAL WALLS ARE GONNA GET MOVED AROUND.
UH, AND, AND JUST BASICALLY MORE OFFICE SPACE CREATED, UH, AND ADDITIONAL CONFERENCE ROOMS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PLANS TO, TO LEASE OUT, UH, OR SUBLET ANY OF, UH, ANY OF THE FACILITY.
I MEAN, THIS AT 17,000 SQUARE FEET WILL BE, THERE'LL BE SOME ROOM TO GROW IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS CERTAINLY ISN'T FUTURE PROOFING.
UM, AS FAR AS OUR, OUR GROWTH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING.
UM, SO THIS IS, THE ARCHITECTS HAVE GONE THROUGH AND ARE FIGURING OUT WHAT THE INTERNAL PROGRAMMING, UH, NEEDS ARE FOR, FOR STAFF FOR HERE, AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
UM, BUT IT WILL PROVIDE US WITH, UH, A MUCH BETTER WORKING ENVIRONMENT.
IT SHOULD PROVIDE THE, THE RESIDENCE WITH A MUCH BETTER INTERACTION THAN, THAN WE CAN PROVIDE HERE.
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IN THIS BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN? I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THERE IS AN UPSTAIRS AREA THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S REALLY CRAMPED.
MY LAST QUESTION MAY NOT BE ALLOWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HOW SOON WILL THIS PROJECT BE UNDERWAY? SO, UM, PLANS, UH, PERMITS ARE ALREADY, UH, SO BUILDING PERMITS
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HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.UM, WE NEEDED TO GET THEM IN BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE HAS CHANGED, UH, AS OF MARCH 31ST.
SO WE GOT THE, UH, PLAN SUBMITTED.
UH, THE ARCHITECTS HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWING STAFF AND WALKING THROUGH TO FIGURE OUT THE FACILITY NEEDS.
UH, THE IDEA IS TO BE UNDER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE IDEA IS TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.
STAFF DID HAVE LOT INPUT ON IT.
YEAH, THEY DIDN'T TALK TO GREAT IDEA.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING CAN SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I HEARING NO ONE WE'RE CLOSED.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, FOR APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 21 61 51 GRANT PIKE CASE BDP 24 0 7, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 5TH, 2024.
CLAIM COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED TO, TO MOVE BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. CASSIDY.
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE CITY? UM, SO THE, THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THIS TO GO TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I WOULD THINK WE WILL TIME IT, UH, ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT THE FINANCING IS APPROVED IN, IN, FOR THAT PROJECT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL.
THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 300 UNIT MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY COMPRISED OF A, COMPRISED OF A MIX OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, DEV 24 0 5.
MR. SAR? YES, THIS WAS A CASE THAT YOU HEARD IN MAY ALSO, WE, I THINK AT THE TIME WE HAD, UH, CALLED IT, UH, RHM.
UH, THE, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY 7 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, LLC.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A BRANDING FOR THIS PROPERTY, UH, YET.
SO THE APPLICANT, UH, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF 300, UH, UNIT MARKET RATE,
THIS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, APRIL OF, UH, OF LAST YEAR.
CITY COUNCIL WENT KIND OF BACK AND FORTH ON, UH, THE DISCUSSION AND, AND DESIRE TO MORE CONTEMPORARY LOOK, PARTICULARLY FOR THE UNITS THAT, THAT FRONTED OR WERE NEAR, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THE APPLICANT CAME BACK, CHANGED, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE, OF THE SITE PLAN AS, AS WELL AS THE ELEVATION FOR THE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS THAT FRONTED ON, OR NOT FRONTED, BUT WERE CLOSE TO, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORDINANCE ON MAY 8TH OF, OF LAST YEAR.
UH, THIS SUBMITTED APPLICATION, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS TO THE STANDARDS AND CONDITIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AND THE APPROVED, UH, ORDINANCE, SO THIS IS, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE SITE, UM, 17.6 ACRES, KIND OF A MODIFIED FLAG LOT.
UM, THE IDEA WAS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE, UH, IN, IN, IN THIS AREA.
UH, AND THEN THE FRONTAGE GEELONG EXECUTIVE IS RESERVED FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT USES.
UM, IT IS ZONED PLANNED MIXED USE.
UM, TO THE NORTH, YOU'VE GOT AGRICULTURAL ZONING.
UH, TO THE EAST IS AGAIN, MORE EITHER PEP, UH, OR PLANNED.
UH, MIXED USE TO THE SOUTH IS MOSTLY PEP AND PLANNED MIXED USE IN THE WEST IS R SEVEN.
UH, RECENTLY YOU APPROVED, UH, ANOTHER, UH, APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO, UH, TO THE PARCEL JUST TO THE WEST, UH, WHICH WE WILL BREAK GROUND IN SEPTEMBER, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
SO THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, SIDE YARDS ON THE, UH, NORTH AND EAST SIDE ARE 15 FEET SIDE YARDS ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, OR 20 FEET.
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DURING THEIR DISCUSSIONS, HOW, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOCUSED ON KIND OF THE, THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD FACING, UH, EDGE OF THE SITE.SO WHAT WAS CHANGED WERE TWO LARGER CONTEMPORARY, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS WERE CON WERE ENVISIONED HERE.
THEY CHANGED THE ORIENTATION OF, OF THESE TWO, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, AND DID SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE F TO THE FACADE OF, UH, THE TRADITIONAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO MAKE 'EM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, KIND OF LESS BARN LIKE.
UM, SO I'LL GO OVER THAT, UH, IN, IN A MINUTE.
THEY ALSO SLID THE ENTRANCE A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH, THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UM, COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO THE POOL IS TUCKED BEHIND, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE POOL IS TUCKED BEHIND THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO AS MORE OF A CONTEMPORARY KIND OF FACE TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.
UM, THERE'LL BE SOME, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, UH, PART LATER.
UM, THIS IS, UH, WABO, THANK YOU
UH, THE, THE DRIVE HERE AS REQUEST OF STAFF.
UH, THERE IS ENVISIONED AT THE MOMENT AN EIGHT FOOT WALKWAY THAT GOES DOWN, UH, THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE THAT THEN CONNECTS, UH, TO WHAT WILL BE THE COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT, UH, DISTRICT ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THE REASON THAT, THAT WE, THAT I ASKED FOR THAT WAS WE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO START BUILDING CONNECTIVITY, UM, TO, TO A LOT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS.
UM, IF YOU WERE, IF THIS PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER OR RESIDENT WORK RIGHT NOW TO GO TO TJ CHUMPS, IT'S 1.8 MILES FOR THEM TO EITHER BIKE OR WALK FROM, UH, THIS, THIS LOT WITHOUT WALKING THROUGH THE FIELD.
UM, BY MAKING THAT CONNECTION, IT CUTS IT DOWN TO LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE, 1300 FEET.
UM, SO I THINK THAT RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS NORTH, UH, EAST AREA, NORTHWEST AREA, THE SITE, ARE GOING TO, TO GO THROUGH THE SITE TO GET TO THE ROADS, TO DO CHUMPS OR WHATEVER OTHER, UM, ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANT FACILITIES ARE DEVELOPED ALONG HERE.
I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A DEDICATED AND SAFE CONNECTION, UM, ALONG THAT WAY.
BUT I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT, UH, DISCUSSION A LITTLE A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UM, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
IT'S TOUGH TO SEE, BUT THERE ARE, UH, IT, IT, THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN MEETS, UH, THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF, OF TREES, UH, AND PLANTINGS, UH, ALL, ALL ALONG THE, UH, THE PERIMETER, UH, OF EACH BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE VARIOUS LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
UM, IT'S ATTRACTIVELY, UH, LANDSCAPED.
THIS IS THE TRADI, THE TYPICAL, UM, LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR EACH BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, BUSHES AND, UH, AND TREES FOR EACH OF THE PARKING, UH, ISLANDS OR STALLS, UH, AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS PRO UH, PERT LANDSCAPING OF EACH BUILDING.
THE, UM, THE CLUBHOUSE IS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY LANDSCAPED AND, AND PROVIDES THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY NICE VISUAL, UM, ENTRY AS FAR AS, UH, UH, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE RENDERING OF, OF THE CONTEMPORARY APARTMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE CLOSEST TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
SO YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE CONTEMPORARY LOOK WITH FLAT ROOFS.
UM, THREE STORY THERE ARE DRIVE-IN GARAGES, UH, IN MOST OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ON ONSITE OR DRIVING GARAGES.
UM, THIS IS THE RENDERING OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, UH, AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE ANTICIPATE WILL WILL COME IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THIS IS ALSO PERSPECTIVE COMING INTO THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE, INTO THE, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS IS THE MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE ARE ABOUT 36 TO 38 FEET TALL, SO NOT MUCH TALLER THAN, UH, A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME BY INTENTION.
UM, THEY WANTED TO KEEP THAT SCALE, UH, RELATIVELY SIMILAR.
UM, IF YOU RECALL THE ORIGINAL, UM, GARAGE DOORS KIND OF HAD THAT BARN DOOR LOOK.
UH, THEY HAVE A MORE CONTEMPORARY GARAGE DOOR, WHICH, UM, WHICH, WHICH IS A BETTER FEEL THAN THAT FOR WHAT I THINK WE WERE ALL, ALL LOOKING FOR.
UM, AGAIN, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TAKES, BUT SIMILAR, UH, SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL APPROACH TO, UH, TO EACH, UH, BUILDING.
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UM, STONE WATER COURSE, UH, AND VARIOUS ELEMENTS.IT'S A MIXTURE OF BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, METAL ROOFS, UM, ET CETERA.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE FACADE OF THE CONTEMPORARY, UH, BUILDING.
SO, UM, THIS REALLY, I THINK, PROJECTS A, A, A REALLY CONTEMPORARY LOOK ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, THIS IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WITH GARAGES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE, UM, OR EACH UNIT IS ACCESSIBLE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE GARAGE, UH, INDOORS.
THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL ONSITE GARAGE STORAGE AS WELL AS, UM, JUST OPEN PARKING LOTS.
BUT THE PARKING LOTS ARE, ARE PRETTY SMALL COMPARED TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN.
UH, THIS IS THE FACADE OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
SO, AS FAR AS THE CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING RES, UH, RESOLUTION, THERE WERE ONLY THREE CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE WAS THERE WERE A LIST OF, UM, EXCLUDED, UM, USES THAT THIS MEETS.
UM, THIS WAS REALLY MORE APPLICABLE TO THE COMMERCIAL, UM, LAND THAT FRONTS, UM, EXECUTIVE.
WE WANTED TO, TO CREATE MORE OF THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
CIVIL PROHIBITING, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, FUELING STATIONS, CAR WASHES, DRIVE THROUGHS, DRIVE UP WINDOWS, TAKING, TAKING A LESS AUTO ORIENTED APPROACH TO THAT, THAT COMMERCIAL AREA.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, SINCE DAY ONE.
AND, AND THIS, THIS SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH, UM, EVERYTHING THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRING.
THE LAST CONDITION DEALT WITH THE EXISTING TREES ALONG THE, UM, PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
AND WHAT WE WANTED ORIGINALLY WAS, UM, THAT THE EXISTING TREES ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, BETWEEN SCATTER ROOT PLACE AND LOB LOLLY DRIVE, UH, BE PRESERVED, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THE SITE SITS IN THE GRADING THAT, UH, IS NECESSARY ON THAT WEST SIDE IS GOING TO BASICALLY NECESSITATE THE REMOVAL OF, OF THAT EXEC EXISTING VEGETATION, UM, THAT IS, THAT'S ON THAT WESTERN EDGE.
UM, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE CONDITIONS, OR A COUPLE DISCUSSIONS THAT, THAT THIS IS REALLY THAT WESTERN EDGE.
THIS IS BLAH BLAHY RIGHT HERE.
THERE IS A RETAINING WALL THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS, THIS EIGHT FOOT WALKWAY REMAINS, THIS, THIS RETAINING WALL, OR A VERSION OF IT STILL IS REQUIRED, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE SITE IS LOWER THAN, UH, THESE EXISTING, UH, UNITS.
SO, UH, IN ORDER TO, TO MAKE THE GRADING WORK AND TO NOT CAUSE ANY DAMAGE TO THEIR PROPERTY, THERE IS A RETENTION, A RETAINING, UH, SMALL RETAINING WALL THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UH, HEADING, UH, FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, THIS IS THAT EIGHT FOOT WALKWAY THAT I HAD, UM, REFERENCED EARLIER.
THE ALTERNATIVE, UM, WOULD BE WE COULD REMOVE THIS WALKWAY, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME EXISTING, UH, OR WOULD ALLOW ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND PLANTINGS.
UH, AND THE ALTERNATIVE THAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE CREATE A WALKWAY HERE, UH, THROUGH THE EAST SIDE OF THE DOG PARK THAT STILL GETS, MAKES THAT CONNECTION.
SO FOLKS WOULD EITHER WALK OR BIKE, UH, DOWN THIS, UM, AISLE WAY, UH, AND THEN WALK ACROSS TO THEN GET TO THE COMMERCIAL SECTION TO THE SOUTH.
SO, WHILE I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY THAT THIS EIGHT FOOT, UM, WALKWAY WAS A GOOD IDEA, UH, AS IT IS, HAS PANNED OUT, I THINK THAT MAYBE THE BEST, UM, SOLUTION IS TO ELIMINATE THAT WALKWAY, UH, AND CREATE ADDITIONAL, UH, SCREENING OPPORTUNITIES, UH, VEGETATIVE SCREENING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON SKY ROUTE IN, UH, LOBLAW, NOT NEAR, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ON THE NORTH OR, UM, WEST SIDE, OR, EXCUSE ME, NORTH OR EAST SIDE.
UH, BUT PARTICULARLY THESE FIVE PROPERTIES HERE, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE ALSO, I'M ALSO RECOMMENDING AS ADDITIONAL, UH, LANDSCAPING HERE ON THIS PARKING LOT, UH, TO KEEP HEADLIGHTS, UM, FROM INTERFERING WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO ADDITIONAL, UH, HEDGES, UH, ALONG THIS, UH, THIS EDGE OF THIS PARKING, THIS PARKING LOT, OR JUST THE ELIMINATION OF THE PARKING LOT.
BUT I THINK HEDGES WILL BE FINE.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, UM, THE LAND MIX USE DISTRICT REQUIRES NO LESS THAN 25% OPEN SPACE.
THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITE PLAN HAS APPROXIMATELY 36% OPEN SPACE.
UM, THE PLAN INDICATES THAT ALL STORAGE AND DUMPSTER AREAS ARE ENCLOSED
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AND SCREENED ACCORDING TO THE ZONING CODE.UH, NO SIGNAGE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT'S LIKELY BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT THEIR, THEIR BRANDING ON WHAT, UH, WHAT THIS WILL BE, WHAT IT'LL BE CALLED.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE OVERALL LIGHTING PLAN CONFORMS TO THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AS FAR AS AVERAGE ILLUMINATION OVER THE PARKING AREAS AND LIGHT TRESPASS RESTRICTIONS, UH, ALL FIXTURES ARE FULL CUTOFF, UH, AND LIGHT POLES DO NOT EXCEED 20 FEET.
I HAVE REQUESTED THE APPLICANT LOWER SOME OF THE WALL PACKS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, TO REDUCE POTENTIAL GLARE TO THE ADJACENT, UH, HOMES.
UM, I THINK THAT, THAT IN, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
UM, IF THE WALKWAY REMI REMAINS, UH, I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE LOWER THOSE WALL PACK, THOSE WALL, UH, MOUNTED FIXTURES EVEN FURTHER, UH, UH, AND IF THE WALKWAY GOES AWAY, THAT WE ELIMINATE THEM ALL TOGETHER.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A WALL FIXTURE HERE AND HERE THAT CAST LIGHT ON THE WALKWAY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT IF IT STAYS.
UH, IF IT DOESN'T STAY, I'M NOT SURE THESE ARE, ARE NECESSARY.
AND THEY'RE SIMILAR THROUGHOUT THEM.
THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS, AND SO THERE'S TWO HERE, TWO ON THE NEXT BUILDING.
UM, PARKING IS PROVIDED THROUGH A MIXTURE OF INTERNAL GARAGES AND FREESTANDING, UH, GARAGE BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS, UH, SERVICE PARKING.
UH, ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES ARE 10 BY 18 FEET.
UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING MORE THAN, THAN THE, THAN IS NECESS, EXCUSE ME, MORE THAN IS REQUIRED.
SO THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING IN E OUR CODE.
UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN INDICATES, UH, A MYRIAD OF TREES, SHRUBS, AND PERAL PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 220 NEW TREES, 272 BUSHES, AND ANOTHER 130, UH, ODD, UH, PERENNIALS.
UH, WE DID RECOMMEND, UH, I AM RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS ON THAT NORTHWEST PARKING LOT, UH, IN THE WEST AREA SO THAT WE SCREEN HEADLIGHTS FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S MUCH OF AN ASK.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE PROPOSAL WE FEEL THE PRO PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OUTLINED IN 11 71 0 9.
UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE THAT THE SIGNS CONFORM TO SECTION, UH, 1189 ADDITIONAL SHRUBS BE PLANTED ALONG THAT WEST PARKING AREA TO SCREEN HEADLIGHTS FROM THE ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTIES.
THE WALL FIXTURES THAT I'VE OUTLINED HERE, UH, BE NO HIGHER THAN 20 FEET.
UH, IF THAT WALKWAY REMAINS, THEN, UH, THEN THE WALL FIXTURES F1 23 AND FOUR BEING NO HIGHER THAN 10 FEET, IF WE ELIMINATE THE WALKWAY, THEN THAT THEN THOSE, UM, WALL FIXTURES BE ELIMINATED ALTOGETHER.
UM, IF ALSO, IF WE ELIMINATE THAT WEST WALKWAY, THAT AN EIGHT FOOT CONNECTION THROUGH THE DOG PARK, UH, BE CONNECTED, UM, TO THAT DRIVE VI, I THINK REGARDLESS OF, I, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET, UM, DEMAND TRAILS THAT GO THROUGH THERE.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK THROUGH IT, SO WE MIGHT AS WELL DIRECT THEM TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
UM, SO, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, UH, THREE OPTIONS.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT THOSE CONDITIONS, DENY THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS HERE FOR ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO YOU'VE GOT IT GOING ON THE WEST SIDE.
UH, NOW WITH THE RETAINING WALL, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD TO BE GO, COME INTO THE, YEAH, LET ME GO TO A DIFFERENT, A BETTER VIEW.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS HAVING, WHAT I ASKED FOR WAS A WALKWAY THAT GOES DOWN THIS WEST EDGE HERE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT CONNECTS WITH THIS WALKWAY TO TAKE YOU TO THE VARIOUS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO ELIMINATE THIS WEST EDGE WALKWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WILL JUST WALK DOWN THE DRIVE AISLE, UH, TO A SPOT RIGHT HERE AND CONNECT WITH THIS SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN WALKWAY.
THAT'S, I DON'T LIKE THE DRIVE AISLE.
I DON'T, I DON'T, YEAH, I, I I DO NOT LIKE THE DRIVE AISLE.
I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF A MINUTE.
THE ALTERNATIVE AGAIN IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S EIGHT FOOT.
WE COULD SHRINK IT TO ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS THERE.
UM, ANDREW CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
WE, THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN KIND OF AN ON THE FLY DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD.
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TIGHT THIS, THIS EDGE WAS GONNA ACTUALLY BE, IS THE RETAINING WALL, WOULD THAT BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE EIGHT FOOT? WOULD OKAY.SO THAT RETAINING WALL, INSTEAD OF BEING TWO FOOT THREE FOOT HIGH, IT COULD BE EIGHT FOOT HIGH, SIX FOOT HIGH.
SO I'LL LET, WE DID TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLANTINGS, YOU KNOW, EITHER ARVID OR OTHER TYPES OF, OF PLANTINGS THAT COULD GO ALONG THERE FOR, FOR SOME SCREENING.
IT'S, THAT'S A LONG RUN FOR, UH, A, UH, A PRIVACY FENCE.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 400 FEET FROM LA LA LOBBY LO LOY TO THIS, UH, PARTICULAR, UM, THE END OF THIS PROPERTY LINE.
IF THE WALKWAY GOES AWAY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RETAINING WALL STILL NEEDS TO BE THERE, BUT IT'S JUST A SMALLER SIZE.
SO AARON, ON THE, ON THE SIDE WHERE THEY CAN COME DOWN HERE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE OTHER BUILDINGS OVER THERE.
RIGHT? SO IT'S SAFE WALKWAY LIGHTED.
SO THAT'S WHY THE, UM, TO THIS, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE WALL LIGHTS.
MM-HMM,
UH, TO, TO CAST, UH, LIGHT ALONG THIS WALKWAY.
UM, THE, WHAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS SITE, UM, WOULD, WOULD LIKELY BE THE BACK END OF A PARKING LOT.
UM, SO THERE COULD BE, UH, SOME LIGHT, BUT IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT CAT DIRECTLY UNLESS WE MADE IT INTENTIONAL AS WE REVIEWED THAT SITE.
UM, THIS, THIS ENDS UP AT LEAST WHAT'S BEING CLEAR RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE.
I MIGHT BE MISSING SOMETHING, BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I, WE GOING CONCERN OF SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, SO, UM, AND THEN HOW MUCH SCREEN OR HOW MUCH VEGETATION NEEDS TO REALLY BE BLOCKING THOSE BACK? IS IT, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO THE VEGETATION ALONG THE BACK AND GET RID OF THAT, YOUR INITIAL WALKWAY AND RUN IT DOWN THE WEST? BUT THEN DOES IT MAKE IT SAFE? SO WE, YEAH.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I, THE EIGHT FOOT IS THE IDEAL.
OUR STANDARD SIDEWALK IS FIVE.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CUT THAT WIDTH DOWN.
UM, AND DOES PROVIDE THEN SOME ROOM FOR, FOR ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS ALONG HERE TO KIND OF BREAK THAT, TO BREAK THAT SCREENING UP.
SO WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE BACK OF THE, THE NEW FACILITY THEY'RE PROPOSING TO THE Y I'M SORRY, TO THE YARD.
THE NEXT YARD THAT THEY BACKED UP TO.
SO THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS ABOUT 20 FEET.
THE EBBS OR FLOWS, IT'S 20 FEET AND CHANGE.
SO FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO NOW, OKAY, SO THAT'S REALLY LOCKED.
THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL MORE OF LIKE, THEY'RE NOT THE ACREAGE LOTS, RIGHT? NO, NO.
THESE ARE YOUR STANDARD RESIDE.
SINGLE FAMILY LOT RESIDE, YEAH.
SO YEAH, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. IT LOOKED GOOD IN MY HEAD.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I LIKE THE RUN.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO, TO ANDREW FROM RHM IS HERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN CHATTING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT OPTIONS HERE.
IT'S KIND OF A LAST MINUTE LIKE, OH, THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK LIKE I THOUGHT IT WOULD KIND OF THING.
HE'S, UM, I THINK WHILE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST HAMMER OUT THE QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE THAT WE HAVE.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF OTHERS, BUT HAVE WE BY CHANCE TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT IS THERE DATA AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CONNECT AN OLD NEIGHBOR TO A HOOD, TO A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN SOME UPTICKS IN CRIME IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I'M PRETTY SURE WHEN WE OPENED UP THE GATES AND THE CAR TRAILS, WE HAD SOME CAR BREAK-INS IMMEDIATELY, AND A COUPLE STOLEN CARS ALSO.
I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I USED TO LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE.
UM, I AGREE A TRAIL IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT IF WE INVITE IT, IT'S GONNA BE MORE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT'LL FIND IT WOULD BE LIKE ME AND MY FRIENDS WITH OUR BIKES WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER.
UH, SO I, THAT'S MY WORRY IS HOW DO WE, I GET 'EM ALL FOR THE CONNECTIVITY WALKABILITY, WHICH I THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB ON THAT, ON ALL THE NEW STUFF.
AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF CONNECTED AND
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WALKABLE COMING.UH, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE AND EQUITABLE TO EVERYBODY, BUT ALSO SAFE AND PROPERLY LIT WITHOUT BEING UNDULY LIT ON THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES RIGHT ALONG THE TRAIL BEFORE.
SO THIS ENTRANCE EXISTS REGARDLESS IF THIS TRAIL IS HERE OR NOT.
THIS IS THE SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO IT'S BLOCKED FROM VEHICLES, SIR.
UM, BUT IS REMAINS OPEN FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
UM, WOULD THERE, WOULD THERE BE A WAY IF IT CAME IN THROUGH THERE THAT COULD BE DIRECTED TO THE PATH THAT'S BEING BUILT, THE WALKING PATH THAT'S ON THE DRONE ALREADY? SO WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? GO TO THE OVERHEAD OF THE FULL FOOTPRINT.
YOU'VE GOT THE CONCRETE THAT GOES AROUND THE POND AND THEN IT'S KIND OF THE SIDEWALK RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU JUST WENT IN.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD FIND A WAY TO JUST TIE INTO THAT SIDEWALK IF WE'RE GONNA USE A SIDEWALK? SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO, UM, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT PAINTING AND, AND VISUAL CUES THAT WAY.
I THINK THE, THE PURPOSE FOR THIS PERIMETER WAS WE RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA USE IT.
IT KEEPS YOU OUT OF THE DRIVE AISLES.
KEEPS IT OUTTA THE DRIVE AISLES.
IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHO BELONGS AND WHO DOESN'T.
AND AS FAR AS WHO LIVES THERE.
UH, AND SO THIS WAS THE MORE DIRECT PATH TO, UH, ULTIMATELY THE, THE CONNECTION THAT WOULD BE ON, UM, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
I'M NOT SURE IT'LL BE USED A LOT, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE, I, I THINK IT WILL BE USED MORE THAN PEOPLE THINK, ESPECIALLY AS EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CONTINUES TO BE BUILT UP AS, AS AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU CAN WALK 1300 FEET, STREETER, YOU CAN DRIVE AT 1.8 MILES.
ANY OTHER QUESTION, MS. FARGO? I HAVE SEVERAL PROBABLY FOR THE, THE APPLICANTS, BUT, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR DO I NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE, I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE LIGHTING ALONG THE PATH.
I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE THING THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE.
HOW FAR APART WOULD THE LIGHTING BE ON THE WALKIN PATH? SO THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDINGS ARE TALL ENOUGH AND CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THE WALL PACKS WILL, THE WALL LIGHTS WOULD CAST LIGHT ON THE PATH.
UH, AND SO THE, THEY ARE SPACED ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD ILLUMINATE THE, I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD ILLUMINATE THE PATH ENOUGH.
AND IN YOUR, UH, IN THE DECISION RECORD NUMBER THREE, YOU HAVE WALL FIXTURES ARE, ARE THO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIGHTS? YES.
SO THO IT'S ONLY THOSE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH.
THE ONLY BUILDINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ARE, UH, THIS ONE AND REALLY THESE THREE.
'CAUSE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, WOULD POTENTIALLY CAST EITHER DIRECT LIGHT OR GLARE ONTO THE, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GLARE ON THE PROPERTY? I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY FOR ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE WALKING.
UM, DO WE KNOW THE ILLUMINATION THAT WILL WE DO? SO THE, UH, THE, THE WALL, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE, BUT THE, THE PHOTOMETRIC PLANS, UM, SHOW MINOR, UM, MINOR LIGHT TRESPASS ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE, ARE WITHIN OUR CODE STANDARDS.
WHAT I WAS LESS CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHT TRESPASS THAN THE HEIGHT, JUST THINKING ABOUT IF I LIVED THERE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT LENS, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT I'M GONNA SEE THE, THE, THE LIGHT, THE DIODE ITSELF, WHICH IS ANNOYING.
I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT THE LIGHT TRESPASS OVERALL.
I WAS WORRIED ABOUT SEEING THE ACTUAL, UM, BALL FOR, AND I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, PARTICULARLY, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR THEM TO BE LOWERED.
SINCE THE SETBACK WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT VERY HARD.
I YOU GET TO THE RIGHT, 'CAUSE I, I LIVE NEXT TO A, UH, A, A, A LARGE PARKING LOT AND, UM, I CAN, THE, THE POLES ARE TOO TALL AND I CAN SEE THE LIGHT, THE LED DIODES FROM MY SECOND FLOOR AND IT'S REALLY IRRITATING.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE'RE NOT GETTING THIS, THIS IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WE DON'T HAVE A SIGNED PACKAGE.
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I'VE WRITTEN IN IS EITHER, UH, IT CONFORMS TO THE CODE OR IT COMES BACK TO YOU.NEVERTHELESS, UH, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US.
I I, AT THE TIME, THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR BRANDING, SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE CALLED.
AND THERE'S A LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
SO, UH, I JUST WANT, I I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT PLEASED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SIGN OFF ON.
UM, BUT I GUESS BACK TO, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE WALKWAY FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ANDREW, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
AGAIN, THIS WAS MY REQUEST THAT I THOUGHT WOULD WORK OUT.
AND, UH, I, I'M HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS REQUEST.
I'VE SAVED THE WORST TO THE LAST MM-HMM.
FOR HOW MANY APARTMENT BUILDINGS? 300.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE THE, AN EMERGENCY EXIT, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE.
THERE IS, AND, AND I ALSO REALIZE THAT THAT EMERGENCY EXIT TAKES YOU INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL.
BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY IN CASE OF A NEED FOR FOLKS TO GET OUT OF THERE, AN EMERGENCY OF SOME SORT.
AND ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT OF A GATED AREA DOESN'T SOUND VERY GOOD TO ME OF A GATED AREA.
YOU DON'T THINK IT'S GATED? NO, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
THIS IS, THIS IS GATED TO ALLOW EMERGENCY AND ONLY, RIGHT.
BUT THIS, THIS LINES UP WITH THE, THE STREET ACROSS.
SO WE WERE LINING UP THE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS WHY THIS IS HERE.
UM, THERE REALLY, UNLESS THIS WERE TO BE OPENED UP FOR TRAFFIC, UM, PERMANENTLY, THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER OPTION.
THERE'S ALSO A CREEK THAT KIND OF CUTS THROUGH HERE, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE DEALT WITH.
UM, BUT WE, WE DID WANT TO SAVE THAT FRONTAGE ON EXECUTIVE FOR THE, THE COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT RATHER THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE CODES, UM, ONLY ONE REALLY, ONLY ONE ENTRANCE IS NECESSARY.
300 UNITS REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH.
AND IS THAT A ROUNDABOUT? YES.
TO GET INTO THE, INTO THE FACILITY? YEAH.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING IN OFF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD BOULEVARD, YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET INTO IT.
YOU COME IN, COME AROUND, UH, AND THEN INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
EITHER THERE ARE MULTIPLE FINGERS ONCE, ONCE YOU GET INTO THIS AREA.
I JUST HAVE THE, A NUMBER OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF, UH, ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT GROUND.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS STAFF.
WHAT STAFF OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS ENTRANCE AS IT'S DESIGNED.
WELL, AS YOU SLOW INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, WILL IT BACK TRAFFIC UP ON EXECUTIVE? KEEP GOING.
NO, IT, IT'S, SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN LIKE, YOUR TRADI APARTMENTS ARE WORK DIFFERENTLY THAN, SAY IF THIS WERE 300 UNITS OF A SALE, FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THE, THE TIMING OF WHEN PEOPLE COME AND GO IS, IS NOT YOUR SEVEN IN THE MORNING, FIVE AT NIGHT.
IT, IT'S MORE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
SO THE TRAFFIC IS, IS SPREAD OUT.
SO THE IMPACTS ARE PRETTY, PRETTY MINIMAL.
YOU GOOD FOR A MOMENT? I, I'M SAVING THE REST FOR OKAY, MR. GUT.
ALRIGHT, SO AARON, ON THE, THE ROUNDABOUT, I, I'M ACTUALLY A BIG FAN OF THEM, SO I'VE SEEN 'EM WORK WELL, BUT I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT PARKING SPACES INSIDE THE ROUNDABOUT.
BASICALLY RIGHT THERE, WHEN YOU COME BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE CLUBHOUSE, THAT'S FIVE PARKING SPACES MEANS WHEN SOMEBODY GOES TO BACK OUT, THEY'RE BACKING OUT INTO A ROUNDABOUT.
AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ONCE I GET IN THE ROUNDABOUT, I DON'T STOP.
UM, SO I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
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FOR, I GUESS, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT ANYWHERE BEFORE? 'CAUSE IT JUST, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT JUST SEEMED ODD TO ME AS SOMEBODY WHO THINKS IF, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE MONEY, I'D PUT A ROUNDABOUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.SO THIS IS NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL ROUNDABOUT THAT'S ON A MAJOR, IT'S ON AN ACTUAL STREET THAT HAS CONTINUOUS, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA CONNECT TO THE EAST EVENTUALLY BY, BY THE LOOK THAT, THAT IS THE HOPEFUL DESIGN, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK THE, THESE FIVE SPACES, I MEAN, THEY CAN COME OR GO I THINK, BUT, UH, THIS IS REALLY PROBABLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN TO, TO LOOK AT LEASING THE APARTMENTS.
UM, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE MAIL, THE MAIN MAILBOX HERE.
I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE PICKING UP THEIR MAIL ARE GONNA PARK UP HERE.
THIS IS FOR THE OCCASIONAL PERSON ON THE WEEKEND IS LOOKING TO, TO, TO RENT A PLACE.
SO I DON'T SEE THESE BEING USED ALL THAT OFTEN.
I ALSO DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THAT THERE'S NOT A REAL SAFETY HAZARD HERE.
I JUST, I THIS IS, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, I MEAN, YOUR TRAFFIC, OH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE HIGHLY USED.
BUT I CAN ALSO SEE PLENTY OF PEOPLE PULLING IN IF THEY WANT TO GET TO THE POOL AND JUST PARK THERE.
IF THEY'RE FROM THE OTHER CORNER, IF THEY'RE RUNNING UP THERE.
AND I'M JUST BACKING OUT INTO A ROUNDABOUT FROM TRAFFIC POTENTIALLY COMING THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
IS THE, THE WAY, THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED.
UM, SEE IF I GET A BACK AND IT'S ONLY FIVE SPACES OUT OF 600.
YEAH, IT'S NOT, SO IF THIS WERE TO BE, SO THIS IS THE SITE HERE, RIGHT? THIS LINES UP WITH THIS ROAD.
THE IDEA IS THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE OFF OF THIS SIDE SOMEWHERE FOR WHEN THIS, THIS SECOND PHASE OR WHATEVER PHASE, UH, WERE TO, TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO ON THAT, SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD YEAH.
SO THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE EAST LINE OR WE'VE GOT THE COUPLE PARKING SPOTS IN BETWEEN ON LIKE IN THE MIDDLE AND AT BOTH ENDS.
WHEN THAT EVENTUAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST HAPPENS, IS THAT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THAT TO BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE CONNECTED IN AND LOSE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR ANOTHER ROADWAY? WHETHER IT'S, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EMERGENCY, IS IT THAT WIDE OR IS THAT PROBABLY TOO TIGHT? SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, 36 FEET HERE.
SO IF WE, IF WE GOT IN AND SAID THAT WE HAD THREE, YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM THERE IF YOU NEEDED TO, IF IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE THE SAFETY CONCERN OF FIRE TO JAN'S POINT, WE'VE GOT POTENTIAL, ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS.
IF IT CAME DOWN TO A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL.
AND THEN LAST ONE, WE'LL STOP FOR A MINUTE.
IN THE BACK CORNER WHERE YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT SHRUBS AND LIGHT REAR HEADLIGHTS, I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ABOUT 400 FOOT OF FENCING, IT'S A LOT.
BUT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT DOING A FENCE JUST IN THAT CORNER TO JUST TAKE THAT ISSUE OUT OF PLAY AND PUT SHRUBS LIKE FENCE AT THE LINE AND SHRUBS ON THE INSIDE, DECORATE IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COMPLETE NESS OR COMPLETE GROWTH AND STUFF? OR IS THAT GONNA TAKE AWAY QUITE A BIT FROM WELL, THERE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ROOM HERE FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SUGGESTING IT.
UM, FOR, FOR THE SCREENING RATHER THAN JUST A LIKE KIND OF A LONELY STANDING FENCE, I THINK, I THINK THE VEGETATION WILL LOOK BETTER.
AND THEN I THEY HAVE ONE I FORGOT.
YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD.
SO I'M DRIVING IN AND I'M GOING BACK TO SAY THE COMPACTOR AREA IS WHERE MY UNIT IS.
SO I COME IN THROUGH THE RUNWAY VALLEY, ONE AROUND TO THE RIGHT, COME OUT THE CIRCLE, TURN TO THE RIGHT, TURN TO THE LEFT, TURN TO TO THE LEFT, TURN BACK AROUND.
WE COME UP WHERE THE DESIGN WE HAD BEFORE, WHERE THAT ROAD IS, WHERE THE DOG PARKED AND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS.
THAT WAS A STRAIGHT SHOT THROUGH WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS LAST TIME.
IS THERE A REASON THAT WE MADE IT? BECAUSE THIS, WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT CAR TRUST PARKWAY GOING TO 2 0 1, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CREATING HERE.
AND I'VE DRIVEN IT KNOW IT'S LESS THAN IDEAL.
MR. CASSIE PROBABLY AGREED TO THAT YES.
WHEREAS, LIKE I SAID, THE ONE WE LOOKED AT BEFORE, IT WAS A STRAIGHT ROAD.
IT'S A DOG PARK AND WE HAVE TWO DOG PARKS UP THERE NOW.
SO I MEAN THE MORE TURNS THERE ARE, THE SLOWER PEOPLE WILL GO.
SO IF THERE, IF THIS WAS JUST A STRAIGHT SHOT, YOU'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE THAT FLY THROUGH HERE.
IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LESS UP HERE.
BUT FROM HERE TO HERE IS A, IS A PRETTY LONG RUN.
UM, THIS DOES BREAK UP AND WILL REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BE SLOWER, UM, THAN IF IT WERE A STRAIGHT SHOT FROM HERE TO HERE.
SO IACTUALLY, ARE THERE THERE ANY STOP SIGNS IN FROM THE INTERIOR THERE? THERE'RE PROBABLY SOME, SOME YIELD SIGNS, BUT, UM, NOT NECESSARILY TRADITIONAL STOP SIGNS.
I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THIS BETTER BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN THAN IF IT WERE A STRAIGHT SHOT.
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THINKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE RUNNING LATE ALL THE TIME.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST ONE QUICK ONE.
CAN YOU GO TO THE RENDERINGS, UM, OF THE FACADE? YEAH.
SO WHAT ARE THOSE TWO WHITE POLES? UPPER RIGHT HAND PICTURE.
WHAT ARE THOSE? DECORATIVE CHIMNEYS.
THEY'RE WHAT CHIMNEYS, WHAT WILL THEY BE DECORATIVE OF? DO YOU KNOW? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT WILL THEY BE MADE OUT OF? DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH MY FILES.
I DON'T KNOW THE YEAH, IT JUST, THEY LOOK A LITTLE STRANGE.
I, I'LL LOOK WHILE WE'RE TALKING TO THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY CHANCE YOU READ IT? UH, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ALL THE WAY DOWN EXECUTIVE HERE.
MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE ROOM FOR EVENTUAL EXPANSION OF A LANE ON EXECUTIVE IS AN 11 FLEET IN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
WE STILL HAVE THAT, UM, FIGURED INTO THE SETBACKS ON THIS ONE.
SO, UM, YOU REMEMBER WHAT'S ONE, ONE PLACE WE JUMPED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH I, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE BEFORE.
'CAUSE IT WAS IN FRONT OF THE ROADS.
Y YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN ALL, THE ONLY THING WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS ENTRANCE AREA.
WHEN WE GET TO THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE TRAFFIC REPORT IT DID TALK ABOUT CERTAIN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDING THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IN BEING THAT THIS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, IS THIS GONNA GO INTO THIS PART OR IS THAT GETTING PASSED ONTO THE CITY'S COST? SO THERE'S A LIGHT HERE.
UM, I I THINK IT WOULD BE, I NEED TO REVIEW THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT RED RECOMMENDED SOME LANE STRIKING LIKE A CHAIN, I THINK A LEFT TURN SOMETHING.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER.
LEFT ON THE, UH, AT LEAST THE CHANGE TO THE BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT.
WENT TO A THREE STORY AND WE DID ALL THIS CHANGE.
WE, WE CAME OUT WITH ZERO MORE UNITS THAN WHAT WE STARTED WITH.
IT LOOKS LIKE WHERE WE HAD 300 BEFORE, 300 AFTER.
SO WHAT WAS THE POINT OF ADDING A THREE STORY BUILDING? SO WHAT COUNSEL, UM, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WAS BASICALLY CARRYING THE, THE SMALLER THE, THE
IT WAS LIKE, THERE WERE SIX OF THOSE I THINK, UH, ROUGHLY ALONG HERE.
UH, AND SO, UM, WHAT THE DEVELOPER DID IS THEY'VE GOT OTHER PRODUCTS.
SO THEY ADDED THE, THE MORE CONTEMPORARY THREE STORY BUILDINGS, THE TWO, THREE STORY BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO, I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO SIX OF THESE, UH, OF THIS TYPE OF, OF UNIT.
SO THE NET DENSITY DIDN'T CHANGE.
IT'S, IT WAS THE JUST, UH, THE AESTHETICS WHEN WE'RE COUNTING THE PARKING SPACES TO GET TO THE 600.
SO MOST OF THE, CALL IT THE TWO STORIES WHERE THEY HAVE THE GARAGE, IS THE GARAGE ONE PLUS THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE ONE? IS THAT HOW WE'RE COUNTING THE SPACES? UH, SO OR IS IT ONE SPACE COUNTING THAT, LET'S SAY I HAVE A ONE CAR GARAGE WITH A LANE IN THE FRONT.
DOES THAT COUNT AS TWO SPACES OR ONE? I BELIEVE ONE.
CAN, CAN WE CONFIRM IT? YEAH, I CONFIRM THAT.
ALL OF THE, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THE, UM, ALL OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE INTERNAL PARKING INCLUDING THE THREE STORE.
ENOUGH FOR EVERY UNIT HAS A GARAGE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERY UNIT HAS A GARAGE, BUT YOU'VE GOT THESE, THESE ARE ALSO GARAGES PLUS THE, UH, THE, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, WE, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE OVERALL, THERE WERE THERE 600, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, 600 PARKING, 671.
PARKING SPACES ONLY 600 ARE REQUIRED.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I THINK LOSING THE FIVE AND THE ROUNDABOUT MATTER.
WHICH I, I'M NOT SURE 600 IS NECESSARY, BUT UM, AGAIN, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE PRETTY HIGH.
WE KNOW THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR 72 I BELIEVE.
SO IF WE'RE USING WHAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST AT ONE AND A HALF PER BEDROOM.
IS THAT A UNIT OR ONE AND A HALF PER BED? YEAH, EITHER WAY YOU CALCULATED THERE.
UM, THEY EITHER TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT OR? WELL, IF WE'RE DOING 1.5 PER BED OR PER UNIT PER
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BED IS 4 72 TIMES 1.5, IT PUTS US OVER 600.SO WE'RE STILL UP THERE, BUT IT'S OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT WHOLE THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? YOU CHECK THE SIGN IN SHEET? I DID.
UH, ANDREW AUSSI, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT WITH RHM REAL ESTATE GROUP.
UH, RHM IS, UH, LINDA HURST, OHIO BASED REAL ESTATE COMPANY, UH, JUST OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND.
UM, SO, UM, YEAH, I, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS.
MAYBE, UH, THE WALKWAY WAS ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT.
UM, SO YEAH, AS AARON MENTIONED, THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE CITY.
I MEAN, THE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO PLAY INTO, YOU KNOW, THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT HUBBERT HEIGHTS HAS CREATED, RIGHT? WE WANT IT TO BE A THRIVING KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGING COMMUNITY.
WE LIKE THE IDEA OF WALKABILITY OF PEOPLE NOT JUST IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IN LOB LOLLY DRIVE AND THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE RETAIL THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD, THE RETAIL THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE BRINGING TO UBER HEIGHTS ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, SO HAVING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE ALL FOR IT.
UM, THAT THERE IS A PINCH POINT THERE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ONLY HAVE 20 FEET OF SEPARATION, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, THE SETBACK FROM THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, AS I THINK ONE OF YOU MENTIONED, UM, WE'VE GOT WALKWAYS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, SO SOMEONE COULD ALSO JUST WALK ACROSS, UH, AND, AND FOLLOW THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT WOULD BE JUST AS CONVENIENT.
IT WOULD GET 'EM TO THE SAME POINT.
I THINK WE'RE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WE COULD EVEN INCREASE, I THINK ONE OF THE SEGMENTS LOOKS A LITTLE SHORTER, MAYBE A FOUR OR FIVE INCH SIDEWALK.
WE COULD, WE COULD INCREASE THAT JUST TO KIND OF PRONOUNCE THAT, THAT'S MEANT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, THE MAIN SPINE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WOULD, UH, ELIMINATING THAT SIDEWALK WOULD REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE RETAINING WALL.
THOSE AREN'T HIGH RETAINING WALLS.
I THINK THEY'RE MAYBE ONE TO TWO, THREE FEET HIGH AT THE, AT THE MAX.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT SIDEWALK, WE DID HAVE TO MAKE IT A LOT LONGER ON THAT STRETCH.
SO I THINK IT'S, CALL IT 300 FEET, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT STILL HAVE A HUNDRED, 150 FEET, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE JUST TALKING TO OUR ENGINEER, THAT IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE LENGTH OF, OF, UH, RETAINING WALL THAT WE NEED THERE.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE SCREENING, UM, IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, UH, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
UM, WHETHER IT'S A FENCE, SEGMENTS OF FENCE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S GOOD SHRUBS, UM, THAT PROVIDE PROTECTION SPECIFICALLY TO I THINK THE FOUR LOTS, UM, ON BLO, UH, ON, UH, THE SOUTHERN SIDE AND THE ONE LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF THAT HELPS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PARKING THAT'S THERE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, THE FIVE SPACES, UH, JUST KIND OF MOVE AROUND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, THE FIVE SPACES AT THE CLUBHOUSE, AS AARON SAID, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S FOR.
IT'S FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, PROSPECTIVE TENANT THAT WANTS TO COME AND VISIT THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVEN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT MADE UP OUR MIND AS TO WHAT, UH, WE WOULD INTEND TO DO AT THE ENTRANCE, WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE AN ACTUAL GATE AND THIS WOULD BE A GATED COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY FROM A WALKABILITY STANDPOINT, PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH IT.
UH, VEHICULAR STANDPOINT, WE THINK THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO HAVING A GATED COMMUNITY, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE CITY'S INPUT AND THOUGHTS ON THAT IS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HARD SET ON, I THINK.
UM, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DID HAVE A GATE THERE, YES, THAT, THAT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PROSPECTIVE TENANT TO COME PARK THERE AND HAVE EASY ACCESS AT THAT HOUSE.
IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A, UH, A WEIRD SITUATION IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PERSON VISITING IN THE BACKGROUND, SOMEONE WHO LIVES THERE IS TRYING TO GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT TO GET INTO DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAYBE RETHINK.
UM, THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES I THINK TO, UH, TO TOUGH PARKING IN, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE MOVE THE GATE UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU COULD STILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT WORKS BETTER TO DO THAT.
THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, A FUTURE KIND OF COMMERCIAL PIECE THAT'S NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
WE COULD HAVE A COUPLE SPACES THERE THAT WE DEDICATE FOR PROSPECTIVE TENANTS THAT WANT TO COME VISIT THE, THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN WORK AROUND PRETTY EASILY.
UH, BUT JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD ADDRESS, UH, THAT WERE MENTIONED.
SO THE UNIT COUNT HAS NOT CHANGED.
IT IS 300 FROM THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, BUT AS AARON SAID, WE HAD SIX BUILDINGS THERE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THIS BIG HOUSE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A LESSER UNITS INITIALLY.
UM, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 260 UNITS TOTAL.
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CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST OF HAVING THAT KIND OF MORE, UH, MIXED USE, DENSE PRODUCT TYPE IN THE FRONT, UH, WE DID ADD ABOUT 40 UNITS, UM, THAT WAS MADE PRIOR TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPROVAL PLAN.SO, UM, BUT UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I MISSED.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST, MS. VARGO.
I HAVE, UM, AND I'LL JUST GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE.
WE MIGHT BE SURE UP, BUT, UM, I NOTICED ON THE BLUEPRINTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING IDENTIFIED AS A TOP LOT.
CAN YOU TELL ME, IS THAT A PLAYGROUND? YES, CORRECT.
SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN A TOT LOT AND A PLAYGROUND? WELL, SO THERE, THERE IS TECHNICALLY A TOT LOT IS LIKE A PLAYGROUND THAT'S MEANT FOR TODDLERS, RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S GONNA HAVE THINGS THAT, UM, A SMALLER KIT CAN PLAY ON THAT ARE A LITTLE SAFER.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, MONKEY BARS THAT ARE LOWER TO THE GROUND, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE KID FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, TODDLER FRIENDLY.
MR. RA MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE HOT LAW IDENTIFIED IN OUR IDENTIFICATION WORDS.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, G COMMUNITY OR NOT, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A CODE TO GET IN, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WE, WE HADN'T NECESSARILY MADE THAT DECISION.
A LOT OF TIMES IT'S, IT'S BASED ON IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A REAL SECURITY CONCERN OR IF A CITY ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT.
I THINK, UM, HERE WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UH, PROBABLY OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE A GATE THERE.
UM, BUT IT, IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE FELT LIKE WAS A, AT WHAT POINT WILL YOU MAKE THAT DECISION? UM, PROBABLY AS WE GET INTO KIND OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND, AND THOSE DETAILS AND YOU KNOW, JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT WORKS WITH THE AESTHETICS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF GATE THAT WE WOULD USE AND, UM, BUT I MEAN, HAPPY TO FEEL FEEDBACK IF THE CITY FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
LOOKING AT THE BLUEPRINTS, I NOTICED THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE SHINGLED AND SOME OF 'EM ARE FLAT ROOFS.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? YEAH, SURE.
SO THE, THERE'S TWO FRONT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE 50 UNITS.
THOSE ARE THE FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS.
THAT ALL KIND OF TIES INTO THAT REQUEST AGAIN, THAT, THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE OF KIND OF A, A MIXED USE ST DENSER LOOKING PRODUCT.
SO IT'S MORE OF A MODERN THREE STORY, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE A MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, APARTMENT PRODUCT.
UM, WHICH I THINK THE, THE COUNCIL FELT LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO PLAY MORE INTO THE MIXED USE VISION SPECIFICALLY FOR THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD PIECE, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEONE CAN REALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
UM, AS YOU MOVE BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE MORE OF A PITCHED ROOF AND YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WORKS REALLY WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING INTO, YOU KNOW, MORE RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP COMMUNITY.
SO IT, IT KIND OF MAKES A NATURAL TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONTEXT THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FLAT AND THE PICTURE.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT THE SHINGLE ROOF WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TOWARDS EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, BUT THAT'S UP TO COUNSEL
UM, ARE ALL OF THE GARAGES ATTACHED OR DO YOU HAVE GARAGE BUILDINGS AND IS THAT WHAT THOSE WHITE BUILDINGS ARE? CORRECT.
SO ALL OF THE, UH, THE HOUSE STRUCTURES, THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, WE DO CALL 'EM THE BIG HOUSES.
THAT'S THE PROTOTYPE THAT THE ARCHITECTS CAME UP WITH.
UH, THOSE ALL HAVE GARAGES ON THE GROUND FLOOR WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THEIR UNIT.
IF IT'S A ONE BEDROOM, IT HAS A, A, A SINGLE GARAGE.
IF IT'S A TWO BEDROOM, IT HAS A TWO SPACE GARAGE.
UH, THE, THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT, THERE ARE GARAGES THERE, BUT NOT FOR EVERY UNIT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DO HAVE THOSE GARAGE, UM, SEPARATE DETACHED GARAGES SO THAT EVERY UNIT WILL HAVE A GARAGE.
UM, BUT IN THOSE FRONT BUILDINGS, SOME OF THEM WILL BE DETACHED.
AND WILL, UH, THE TENANTS NEED TO RENT THE GARAGE OR WILL THAT COME AS PART OF THE PACKAGE? UH, THERE, THERE IS A SEPARATE, UM, RENT FEES THAT'S TIED TO THE GARAGE.
UM, HOW MANY PHASES? SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS, UM, IN THREE CONSECUTIVE PHASES.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A DO PHASE ONE, WAIT SIX MONTHS, DO PHASE TWO.
THAT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE FINANCING OF THE PROJECT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR BANK'S BANDWIDTH TO DO LENDING TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT'S 300 UNITS.
WE'LL DO IT IN THREE PHASES OF A HUNDRED.
BUT AGAIN, THE IDEA WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET A C OF O FOR THE FIRST A HUNDRED, WE'RE IMMEDIATELY STARTING TO BUILD THE NEXT A HUNDRED IN THE NEXT HUNDRED.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IT, IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE, THE FINANCING OF IT.
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THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE.WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL PHASES WITH THE ADJACENT LAND.
UM, WHERE WILL THE FIRST PHASE BE? SO I THINK NATURALLY IT WOULD BE THOSE FRONT BUILDINGS.
SO WE WOULD DO THE CLUBHOUSE SAY, AND THOSE TWO 50 UNIT BUILDINGS AND ALL THE DETACHED GARAGES AND THE POND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE DONE INITIALLY.
SO, SO THE AMENITIES WOULD BE IN THE FIRST PHASE? YES.
AMENITIES DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE IN THE FIRST PHASE.
ALL THE ROAD HAS TO BE PUT IN ALL THE PLUMBING AND WATER AND GAS LINES HAVE TO BE PUT IN.
THEN WE WOULD JUST BE BASICALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, PAD SITES WHERE WE WOULD BUILD ON PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND WILL ALL OF THE APARTMENTS BE MARKET RATE RENTS, CORRECT? YES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT? I, I MEAN SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU TALKING TO PEOPLE? SURE.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, UM, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKERS WHO ARE LOCAL, UM, TO THE AREA AND WHO HAVE KIND OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND, AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PROSPECTIVE TENANTS WHO HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT.
UM, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND WE AGREE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
WE WANT, YOU KNOW, GOOD RESTAURANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE TAVERNS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT NO SPECIFIC BRAND NAMES TO MENTION AS NOW NO FAST FOOD? NO, NO FAST FOOD, NO.
I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'D BE LIKE A FAST CASUAL PLACE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S, IT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, YOU COME IN, YOU GO DOWN LIKE A CHIPOTLE STYLE TYPE OF, NOT CHIPOTLE, BUT I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE APPEALING SOMETIMES TOO.
PEOPLE LIKE TO GO SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN GET GOOD QUALITY FOOD, BUT IT'S QUICK, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN STILL HAVE A DRINK WHILE THEY EAT IT.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY SIT DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, UH, FULL SERVICE TO THAT EXTENT.
UM, BUT, UH, OUR, OUR PLAN, WE HAVE A, A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH NOW FOR THAT FOUR ACRES OF LAND.
AND WE'LL START TO CRYSTALLIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF TENANTS WE'LL BRING AS THAT COMES TOGETHER.
UM, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONE ENTRANCE, ONE EXIT.
MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON LOBLAW OR, OR ROOT HAVE, HAVE THEY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS AT ALL OR HAVE YOU NOT HAD ANY, ANY CONTACT WITH THEM? UH, SO WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY, UM, DIRECT CONTACT WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I BELIEVE THEY RECEIVED NOTICES, UH, WHEN AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS COMES FORWARD, SO, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AT A PUBLIC MEETING SUCH AS THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE, AS AARON SAID, WE, WE MADE SURE THAT OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS, UH, WERE IN CONTACT AND GOT FULL APPROVAL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT RADIUSES ON THE ROUNDABOUT TURNS.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT 26 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLES, UH, SO THAT THE TRUCK CLEARANCE IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT.
I MEAN, UM, WE DON'T SEE THAT AS A CONCERN.
WE KIND OF LIKE THAT, UM, ASPECT OF IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC YOU'RE GONNA GET FOR A 300 UNIT DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, AND IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BACKUP OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND, AND GETTING CONGESTED THERE.
SO, UM, IF IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE, IF WE DON'T THINK IT'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE, IT DOESN'T BOTHER US.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE PROBABLY ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN CUT A DRIVE AISLE INTO THE RETAIL, BUT I'D RATHER NOT.
UM, BUT THAT'S JUST THINK I TAKEN UP ENOUGH TIME YIELD.
UH, ON THE LOB LOY DRIVE, UM, EMERGENCY EXIT ENTRANCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF GATE YOU'RE PROPOSING THERE OR WHAT TYPE OF BARRIER? I HAVEN'T, UH, HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT, UH, YET.
I MEAN, I THINK IT COULD BE BE RECEPTIVE TO ANYTHING THAT, UM, ONCE THE SEE'S DONE THAT IN OTHER PLACES, IT, IT'S TYPICALLY A SWING GATE THAT'S KEY FOR THE, UH, EMS. THEY ALL HAVE KEYS MISSING.
IT ALSO BREAKS WHEN THEY JUST DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, THE TWO LIGHT VERTICAL POLES ON THE FACADE THAT I ASKED ABOUT, UM, ARE, ARE THOSE WORKING FIREPLACES OR THEY'RE JUST DECORATIVE FIRE.
OH, SO SO THOSE ARE DECORATIVE.
AND, AND THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY'D BE, UM, KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, METAL, UM, SORT OF FLUES WITH LIKE THE SAME KIND OF METAL FINISH OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME METAL DETAILS THROUGHOUT ALL THE ELEVATIONS.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF A COMPLIMENTARY, UH, YOU KNOW, AESTHETIC ELEMENT.
I DUNNO OF THEM, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, I DO THINK, GOING BACK TO THE WALKWAY, I, I THINK WE'VE GOT AN UNRESOLVED ISSUE WITH THAT AND I, I HEAR THAT THE OPTIONS ARE THERE, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS IT'S UNRESOLVED AT THIS STAGE.
I MEAN, I THINK, I KNOW THERE ARE OPTIONS, BUT I JUST WISH I KNEW WHICH OPTION WAS KIND OF GONNA BE SETTLED THERE.
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IDEA OF CYCLING PEOPLE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE, CALL IT TO CAMPUS, BUT, UM, I'D MUCH PREFER THAT EXTERIOR ROUTE, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET DOWN TO LIKE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK THERE WHERE THE RETAINING WALL, I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA EXECUTE THE, THE PURPOSE THAT WE WANT, WHICH IS TO BE ABLE TO FUNNEL PEOPLE INTO THIS AREA ON FLOAT OR ON BIKE, UM, WHATEVER THEY WANT.UM, I, I AGREE WITH JAN THAT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SIGN PACKAGES IS A CHALLENGE.
UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHEN THAT MIGHT BE DONE? OR DO YOU HAVE A TIMETABLE FOR THAT? I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D START TO GET INTO THAT AS WE DEVELOP OUR NEXT PHASE OF DRAWINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF PART OF A TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WE ENGAGE A ASSIGNED VENDOR WHO WORKS WITH THE ARCHITECT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE OUR BRANDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT, WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT THAT AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHEDULE.
WE'D RATHER NOT, YOU KNOW, LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THAT, BUT WE COULD EASILY COME BACK AND ON A CONDITION TO, TO PRESENT IT IN THE NEAR FUTURE IF WE, IF, IF THERE WAS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT UPFRONT AS OPPOSED TO LATER.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'LL SAY IS I DON'T, I DON'T LOVE THE LIMITED SETBACK ON THE EASTERN EDGE OF THIS WITH THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
I JUST THINK THEY, THEY LOOK REALLY CLOSE TO THE BACKYARD OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE PROXIMITY THERE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD JUST BE MY LAST COMMENT.
I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S A BALANCING ACT OF TRYING TO HONESTLY MEET, UM, THE DENSITY THAT WHAT THE CITY HAD KIND OF ASKED US TO DO.
I MEAN, 18 UNITS PER ACRE WAS KIND OF THE MINIMUM OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE.
UM, SO, UH, COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE AN OPINION THAT IF WE STARTED ELIMINATING UM, UNITS, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO, TO MAKE THAT UP WITHOUT A PRETTY BIG CHANGE TO THE PLAN TO.
I THINK IF, UH, IF THE SIGN PACKAGE IS A CONCERN, THEN WE CAN JUST, UH, IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE SIGN PACKAGE AND YOU CAN JUST MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF, UH, THAT THAT COMES BACK PLENTY TIME AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HOLD UP, START PULL PERMITS AND GET UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF GOING WHERE THE SIGNS CAN COME BACK THROUGH.
OKAY, WE CAN GET THAT AND THEY'RE GONNA WANT THE BRANDING DONE AS SOON AS THE BUILDING'S OPEN ANYWAY.
GET PEOPLE TO PULL IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, I WONDER WHAT THAT PLACE IS.
SO, I I, I'M GOOD WITH JUST HAVING IT.
I MEAN, WHATEVER WE'VE PERFORM SMALLER STUFF.
WHAT ABOUT, HOW ABOUT LETTING STAFF WORK ON ANOTHER PATHWAY ALSO? SO SHE DEFINITIVE ROUTE, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE, YEAH.
SO I, I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEPS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FLAT WORK PATHWAY IS, IS KIND OF A LAST LANDSCAPING DETAIL.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS THAT WE BRING BACK THAT OPTION, UM, MAYBE WITH THE SIGN PACKAGE.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE LAST THING THAT GETS INSTALLED IS, IS THE, IS THE SIDEWALKS EFFECTIVELY, UH, THE BUILDINGS AREN'T GONNA MOVE.
UM, AND IF, IF THEY'RE, YEAH, SO THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE IS THAT, THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT THE SIGN AND THE, AND THE SIDEWALKS COME BACK, BUT THAT THEY CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEPS THEY NEED TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
JUST TO, TO THAT POINT, THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC, WOULD IT BE, I MEAN, DOES, I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS.
IF WE TOOK THE, YOU CAN TELL WHAT I'M REFERRING TO HERE.
THE SORT OF SKINNIER FIVE FOOT SECTION THAT CONNECTS INTO THE MIDDLE BY THE POND, WHERE YOU DO HAVE, I THINK, WHAT IS A WIDER EITHER SIX OR EIGHT FOOT PATH THAT THEN GOES THROUGH THE CENTER TO THE RETAIL.
IF WE JUST EXPANDED THAT SO IT WAS ALL CONSISTENT WIDTH, WOULD THAT BE, AND THEN REMOVE THE, IT SEEMED LIKE THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS THE, THE WEST SIDE WALKWAY WAS MAYBE NOT THE BEST SOLUTION HERE.
SO IF WE REMOVE THAT, GO TO THE INTERIOR ONE, MAKE IT WIDE ENOUGH SO THAT IT'S PRONOUNCED, IS THAT A A GOOD SOLUTION TO START WITH? FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FROM STAFF, LIKE IT IS, I THINK WE'D WANT TO, UH, LOOK AT SOME WAY FINDING SIGNAGE TO DIRECT PEOPLE THAT WAY.
UM, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, I MEAN, THE REASON I HAD THE PERIMETER WAS 'CAUSE I, I WAS CONCERNED THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT FOLKS WALKING THROUGH THE, THE CENTER OF THE CAMPUS.
BUT, UH, IF WE DESIGN THAT APPROPRIATELY, I'M PERFECTLY FINE.
I JUST, UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER SOLUTION THAN WHAT WAS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CONNECTIVITY, BUT A WALKWAY THAT'S HALF OF THE
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TOTAL SETBACK WITH IS, I THINK IT'S ONE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE FORCING IT.YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, YOU GUYS.
WELL, AND WELL FOR THEM TOO, RIGHT? IF THEY WERE TO REDESIGN IT AND, AND DO WHATEVER WHERE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU, WE CAN SAY, WELL TAKE OUT A BUILDING AND YOU GOT PLENTY OF ROOM AND THERE'S NOT TAKING ON A BUILDING FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO WALK THROUGH.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.
BUT I DO THINK DIRECTING THEM PROPERLY THROUGH SO THAT THE, THERE AREN'T A DISRUPTION TO THESE RESIDENTS ALSO BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THAT REPUTATION ALSO WHEN YOU'RE GONNA CHARGE, YOU KNOW, A MARKET LEVEL OF RENT FOR WHAT I'M ASSUMING IN THERE, WHICH WOULD TIE IN MY, MY ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE.
SO FROM THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS TO THE BIG HOUSES, I'M, I IMAGINE THERE'S A, YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE RENT DIFFERENCE IS.
IF I'M LOOKING AT A TWO BEDROOM THERE AND A TWO BEDROOM HERE, I'M ASSUMING THE BIG HOUSE IS A BIT OF A PREMIUM.
YEAH, A PREMIUM, UH, MONTHLY RATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS, UM, YOU PROBABLY GOTTA PAY A LITTLE MORE ACTUALLY IN THE SMALLER UNITS, BUT YOUR MONTHLY VALUE IS GONNA BE A LITTLE LESS.
ANY IDEA WHAT I KNOW, I KNOW WE SAID MARKET RATE.
DID ANYBODY WANT TO THROW OUT A NUMBER OF WHAT YOU, YOU GOT AN IDEA? YEAH, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH PARKVIEW, YOU THINK OF PARKVIEW WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A PREMIUM ON THE BIG HOUSE OR ON THE THREE STORY ON BOTH.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT ONE MORE? ARE ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS OR MAYBE AARON, YOU ARE TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT ALL? I, I SKIPPED THROUGH IT.
UM, SO ON SOME OF THESE, CAN YOU HELP ME DECIPHER SOME OF THIS STUFF?
UM, WHERE'S THE QUALITATIVE SCORING FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF? IS IT THE LETTER GRADING THAT'S IN THIS? OKAY.
SO I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LOWER THAN C CORRECT.
UM, AND YOU NEVER WANT AN A FROM A PLAN PERSPECTIVE.
UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHOOTING FOR BC ESPECIALLY ON A, ESPECIALLY IN A RETAIL CORRIDOR, NOBODY'S STOPPING IF IF, IF IT'S A LETTER A THERE, THAT TRAFFIC'S MOVING TOO FAST.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, YOU'RE SHOOTING FOR A BC F IS A PROBLEM
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SHOOTING TO BE AN AVERAGE STUDENT, A VC KIND OF STUDENT.
A HEY MR. JEFFRIES, COULD YOU CONFIRM ON THE PARKING COUNT ONE, ONE CAR GARAGE, GARAGE PLUS SPACE OUT FRONT COUNTS AS ONE SPACE OR TWO FOR THE PARK COUNT.
SO THE TOTAL PARKING COUNT HERE INCLUDES A HUNDRED WHAT THEY CALL TANDEM SPACES.
SO THOSE ARE SPACES BEHIND THE GARAGE.
SO THE GARAGES ARE DEEP ENOUGH SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE GARAGE AND YOU HAVE A GUEST OVER, THEY CAN PARK RIGHT BEHIND YOU AND NOT BLOCK A DRIVEWAY AND NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PARK REALLY FAR AWAY.
UM, SO THAT ONE, BUT IF YOU, BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE A HUNDRED OUT, I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL WELL OVER WHAT COULD REQUIRES.
SO THAT ONE BEDROOM UNIT, ONE CAR GARAGE HAS A GIRLFRIEND OVER, THEY'RE TAKING SPACE NUMBER TWO ON THE COUNT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST RIGHT BEHIND THE GARAGE.
I MEAN IT'S, PARDON THE SIX HUNDRED'S, A LITTLE ROUNDED UP LOOK, UM, THE 6 26 OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, WE'RE COUNTING FOUR, FOUR ACTUAL SPACES, TWO IN THE GARAGE, TWO GARAGE OUTSIDE.
SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR PARKING REGULATIONS, WHICH COUNT THE, THE GARAGE PLUS THE SPACE IN THE PARKING, UH, LIKE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE COUNTS THE GARAGE PLUS THE SPACE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON THE TRAFFIC SITE TOO, WHICH IS MORE, I GUESS, QUESTIONS OF CLARIFICATION OR COMMENT FROM MOVING FORWARD.
BUT ON PAGE ONE OF THESE, PAGE TENS IN APPENDIX B WHERE IT SHOWS THE COMMERCIAL HEART AND IT'S GOT A BIG RED LINE AROUND IT AND SAYS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS TRAFFIC STUDY.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH ALL THIS STUFF COMING OVER HERE, PERSONALLY, I WOULD JUST ASK, WE ALL KNOW PROJECTS ARE COMING, BUT IT'S NOT CAR.
NOW I THINK WE SAY, WELL IT'S, WE'VE GOT THIS ONE THAT SAYS THIS AND WE'RE GONNA EXCLUDE THIS AND ADD IT IN LATER.
IF WE CAN JUST GET THOSE ALL INCLUDED IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD YOU, I WOULD FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.
IT JUST, AND I KNOW IN THIS CASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS FINE, BUT IN A LOT OF THESE IT FEELS MORE LIKE A LOOK OVER HERE MOMENT.
THE LOOK OVER HERE, UM, I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT 'CAUSE IT WAS A, IT WAS A DECISION, YOU KNOW, WE MADE IT, IT THE PART IT IS NOT JUST THIS PROJECT.
IT'S MORE OF JUST A, AS A TOPIC.
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GENERAL, THIS IS NOT JUST YOUR PROJECT THAT WE, THIS HAS HAPPENED ON, JUST FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.DEPENDING ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY HAVE, WHAT TYPE OF END USER RETAIL WE HAVE THERE, THAT'LL DRASTICALLY IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THEIR STUDY.
SO IF WE, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE A TYPE OF RETAIL, BUT IT COULD CHANGE DRASTICALLY FROM THAT.
SO I THINK THEIR IDEA WAS, HEY, COME BACK TO US WHEN YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHO YOUR TENANTS ARE GONNA BE, WE'LL UPDATE THE REPORT.
AND THEN ALSO, AGAIN, JUST A POINT OF CLARITY FROM ME, PAGE FOUR, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE GROWTH RATE, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS JUMPED OUT AS FAR FROM THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN ALL OF THESE WHERE WE'RE USING A GROWTH RATE OF 0.93% WHEN WE KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS NEXT TO NOTHING IN IT NOW AND EVERYTHING COMING, IT JUST TO ME THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE'RE SEEING COMING IN AT LESS THAN 1% GROWTH IS JUST QUESTIONABLE.
AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND ALL THAT AND THEY'RE LOOKING OUT 30 YEARS, BUT THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THE GROWTH RATE IN THIS THING IS GONNA BE ASTRONOMICALLY ABOUT 1%.
WHICH IT'S JUST, AGAIN, I JUST, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
IT'S NOTHING ABOUT YOUR STUDY AT ALL AS YOU WANT ME TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD AND WHEN YOU SEE GROWTH, LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING JUST SEEMS LOW.
SO THAT'S, I HAVE I GUESS A QUESTION FOR RECORD.
ANY OTHERS? JANE, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, UH, IN THE DECISION RECORD, I THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE A NUMBER SEVEN THAT SAYS YOU COMPLY WITH A FIRE CODE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF STIPULATIONS IN A LOT OF OF YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THAT WERE NOT RESOLVED.
AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S IN THERE.
IT MAY BE AUTOMATIC ANYWAY, BUT IF IT'S IN WRITING THEN IT'S GONNA HAVE A MORE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? ALRIGHT, GLAD TO STILL HAVE YOUR WITNESS,
I ONLY COME UP HERE IN TWO MONTHS.
SO THIS IS MY PROPERTY OVERALL SHOW ROAD.
AND WHERE'S THAT ON, OFF SHELL ROAD, I, WHERE THAT IS? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO AND FOR THE VALLEY SHOW, THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL.
MR. SIR, CAN YOU POP UP WHERE THIS PROPERTY BEING LOCATED FOR THIS PROJECT? SO, UH, I'VE COME AND SPOKE BEFORE, UM, TO THIS COMMITTEE AND, UH, BY NO MEANS AM I COMBATED FOR THIS PLAN, I'M ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED FOR IT.
I THINK THESE GUYS DO A GREAT JOB.
IS YOUR PROPERTY? UH, NO, YOU'RE GONNA GO THREE OVER RIGHT THERE TO THE EAST.
YEAH, SO THE PICTURE I SHOWED WAS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT OVER, UH, THE CURSOR THERE.
UM, AND I, I LIKE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE DOING COMPARED TO A LOT OF DEVELOPERS HAVE TO BE SEEN IN THE AREA.
THIS INCLUDES LIKE, YOU KNOW, CITIES LIKE RIVERSIDE OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOME OF THE NEW STUFF WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN DAYTON.
AND I, THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S VERY REMINISCENT TO LIKE THE DUBLIN AREA IN COLUMBUS OR, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE THAT.
UM, MY HUGE CONCERN, AND BY NO MEANS MY EXPERT WITNESS IN COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING, BUT BASED ON MY TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, THESE TYPE OF AREAS ARE NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, PRONE TO CRIME, TO TO CRIME.
'CAUSE IT'S AN EASY AREA TO ACCESS THESE AREAS TO GET TO GET OUT.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ON FOOT AND, YOU KNOW, WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME THAT IS REPORTED EITHER FROM HUBER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THESE, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK GROUPS AND PAGES ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE THESE KINDS OF THINGS ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
UM, IT, IT DOES INCREASE WITH DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.
UM, HOWEVER, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HEBREW HEIGHTS IS, IS A FAIRLY SAFE PLACE TO LIVE IN, IN RESPECT TO THEIR, THE CITIES IN OUR AREA.
SO, UM, I, I DO BELIEVE THERE'LL BE AN INCREASE IN THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, THE, THE SIDEWALK, THE, THE ACCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT I THINK ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND, AND ESPECIALLY IF THE VISION OF THE CITY IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT IS ACCESSIBLE THROUGH WALKWAYS OR BYPASS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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SO I, I AM, UM, VERY SUPPORTIVE FOR A WALKWAY.UM, AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE STRAIGHT ACROSS, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THIS PICTURE, BUT, UM, RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE IS THE, THE YMCA AND, AND IT LEAVES RIGHT ONTO THE BIKE PATH, WHICH IS ALSO IN THE MORNING.
I WAKE UP FROM THE SUN COMES UP, I GET MY RUN IN, I GO DOWN THERE AND I COME BACK, TRY TO STAY FIT AS I'M GETTING OLDER.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTERS LOVE IT 'CAUSE WE CAN JUST RUN RIGHT OVER THERE.
THEY HIT THE PATH AND GET THEIR EXERCISE IN AFTER SCHOOL, UM, BEFORE THEY HEAD OFF THE TRAINING.
BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM, UM, SINCE I'D SAY THE FIRST DAY IT HIT 70 DEGREES, I CAN'T REMEMBER, I'M UNDER OATH, SO I DON'T WANNA THROW OUT ANY DATES, BUT I'VE HAD, UH, TWO MEN COME ONTO THE PROPERTY THINKING THEY COULD JUST CUT THROUGH AND HEAD OVER TO MEYER.
THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, I'M DONE WITH MY WORKOUT.
I JUST FIGURED THIS WAS LIKE A, A THOROUGH, LIKE A PATH THAT WE COULD USE.
AND I'M LIKE, NO, THERE'S A MAILBOX RIGHT HERE.
YOU KNOW? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M FORTUNATE THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT CAME IN CONTACT WITH AND NOT MY TWO CHILDREN OR MY WIFE.
WHY? SHE'S, IT'S NOT AS FORGIVING AS I AM IN A LOT OF THESE SCENARIOS.
BUT I, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF WE CONTINUE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ONE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE EASTERN PORTION.
WHAT IS THAT? LIKE FOUR, SOME, HOW MANY ACRES IS THERE? ABOUT 15.
UM, INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL STRIP.
THAT'S WHEN MY MOUTH HAS BEEN OFF.
UM, THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF PATHWAY THAT IS WELL LIT OR, UM, JUST A SAFER PATH FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THAT AREA.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE YMCA FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY AROUND.
YOU'RE GONNA HIT WHAT, 2 0 1 AND THEN COME BACK DOWN.
SOME PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THEIR WORKOUT.
UM, BUT THE LAST THING I WANT IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO BE CUTTING THROUGH.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THE LOGICAL WAY WOULD BE TO HAVE A PAST SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM CONNECTING EXECUTIVE TO SHOAL.
AND IT COULD BE A, A WALKING PATH.
IT COULD BE A, A TWO LANE ROAD AT THE VERY LEAST, SOMETHING.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'D BE, I THINK IT'D BE FEASIBLE.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S FOR SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE.
AND THEN IT ALSO CONNECTS TO VISION OF GROWTH IN THIS AREA THAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
YOU WANNA SEE MORE PEDESTRIAN FOOT TRAFFIC, YOU WANNA SEE MORE ACCESS, UM, FOR LIKE NON VEHICULAR WAYS, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MAYBE EVEN PUTTING IT IN, UM, FURTHER ON DOWN THE LINE.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO END ON THAT PIECE.
THE NEXT THING I WANNA DISCUSS IS THE RUNOFF, WHICH THEY MET MY, THEY MET ME HALFWAY ON THAT AND EVERYTHING WAS GOOD THERE.
UH, ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED HOWEVER, IS INVASIVE SPECIES.
SO, UM, BATS FOR A PARTICULARLY PAIN.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE UNTIL, UM, THE ACRES WAS CLEARED DOWN.
EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD NEAR THE TOWER NORTH, UH, NEXT TO THE TRUCKING, UM, COMPANIES, NOW I'M DEALING WITH BATS AND NORMALLY LIKE FIND WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S JUST THE PART OF LIVING IN THE AREA SELLING TO AGRICULTURAL, RIGHT? EXCEPT FOR ONCE THEY GET IN YOUR HOUSE, YOUR METHODS OF REMOVING THEM ARE VERY LIMITED.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S RESTRICTIONS.
UM, THERE'S SAFETY CONCERNS AND RUN, RUN AROUND CATCHING BATS IN MY HOUSE IS STARTING, STARTING TO GET OLD.
AND, UH, MY KIDS ARE TOO, TOO OLD TO BE KICKING ME OUTTA MY BED TO SLEEP IN MY LIFE.
AND I KNOW IT'S HARD BE SLEEPING ON THE COUCH BECAUSE OF IT.
UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE TERRIFIED TO SLEEP UPSTAIRS.
UM, ANOTHER THING HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, RACCOONS, DEER, UM, DEER IS DEFINITELY OVERPOPULATED IN THE AREA.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A A, A STUDY ON IT.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE GOVERNMENT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT, HEY, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THIS AREA? AND HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM? I MEAN, IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND SHOOT THEM, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY IRRESPONSIBLE TO GET ON MY FRONT PORCH LIVING ACROSS FROM THE YMCA AND HAVE TO SHOOT DEER JUST BECAUSE OF HOW DANGEROUS IT IS COMING UP AND DOWN MY DRIVEWAY.
THE KIDS CAN'T COME OUT AND PLAY DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR SAFETY CONCERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT OVERALL, UM, I THINK THEY'RE DOING A, A, A GREAT THING.
UM, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE WHAT THE, THE VISION IS YOU GUYS HAVE.
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AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S STILL A LITTLE SHORT.UM, I KNOW LIKE THIS NEXT PROPERTY, HOPEFULLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA DO IT OR NOT, BUT HOPEFULLY THEM OR A SIMILAR COMPANY AND THEY, THEY LOOK THE SAME AND THERE'S NOT LIKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
UM, THE, THE THING ABOUT THE HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH WHATEVER, I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT A SIMILAR, IF YOU LOOK ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND SIDE UP HERE, WHERE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT? PARKVIEW? PARKVIEW.
SO WHERE PARKVIEW IS, UM, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE CAME OVER AND WE'RE LIKE BARBECUING IN THAT BACKYARD.
SO IN THAT CLEAR SPACE BEHIND THE HOUSE NEXT TO THE PARKVIEW, LIKE PEOPLE WOULD JUST BRING THEIR, THEIR BARBECUE PITS OVER AND JUST THINK THAT IT WAS OKAY TO BARBECUE IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD.
AND THE PREVIOUS TENANT WERE LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU COME OVER AND TALK TO THESE GUYS? I WAS LIKE, HEY, CAN YOU CALL BEAVER HEIGHTS POLICE DEPARTMENT? I'M NOT COMING OVER THERE AND CONFRONTING A BUNCH OF DRUNK PEOPLE IN COURT OF JULY BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF YOU IN YOUR BACKYARD.
RIGHT? UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSIBLE WITH THIS PROJECT VERSUS WHAT PARKVIEW DID.
UM, AND THEN ESPECIALLY LIKE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THEIR NORTH PERIMETER HERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BACKYARDS.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WEST, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AND COMPLAIN ABOUT, YOU KNOW? BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE SIDEWALK, THAT'S A GOOD MITIGATION.
AND THEN THE LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING'S A LOT BETTER I THINK THAN WHAT IT WAS OFFERED AT PARK VIEW AT THE TIME.
UH, I THINK I'VE COVERED ALL OF MY CONCERNS.
UM, YEAH, I COVERED ALL MY CONCERNS.
THE BIGGEST POINT BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT FOOT TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH OR TRYING TO FIND A CUT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU DO HAVE KIDS THAT WANNA RIDE THEIR BICYCLE OR LIKE, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY ARE A THING.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY IF THE COMMITTEE'S WILLING TO LOOK AT HAVING A, A PEDESTRIAN PATH OR, OR SOME KIND OF PATH CUT THROUGH TO GO TO THE YDA AND JUST MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE.
I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
I ALSO THINK IT'D BE A LOT SAFER FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
THAT'S IT MR. SO I DON'T, AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR AARON TO COMMENT ON YOUR SIDE, BUT WHERE THE PARK BENCH IS ON SHOAL, PROBABLY A DRIVEWAY AWAY FROM YOU, IT CUTS INTO PARK VIEW THAT THAT ROAD THAT ACTUALLY CONNECTS INTO PARK VIEW, WHICH WILL CONNECT TO THAT ROAD AND COME OUT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO ONE, IF WE HAVE EASEMENTS TO MARKET IT AS A PATHWAY OR A BETTER STRIPE AND USE IT.
WE DO HAVE A PATHWAY RIGHT THERE ALREADY THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
VIEW IT AS YEAH, IT'S IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, THE THE BUS STOPS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHERE WHEREAS MY PROPERTY, MY PROPERTY KIND OF SITUATES, IT'S ONE MORE LOT OVER.
I'M SAYING, SO I THINK IT'S LIKE 500 FEET FROM THAT, THAT GIVE OR TAKE I DIDN'T REALIZE BE THAT FAR.
BUT IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE, BUT TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PUT A, A PATH IN, IF WE HAVE ONE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME BETTER SIGNAGE.
'CAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE AREA, HIS DRIVEWAY LINES UP WITH THE TERMINUS OF THE, UH, THE WALKING PATH THAT'S ON THAT WEST PERIMETER TO THE AQUATIC CENTER.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO SOME BETTER WAY FINDING TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT PATH, NOT HIS DRIVEWAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING, THE PARKVIEW ACCESS THAT'S THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ABLE BE PART OF THE PLAN THEN THAT'S ALREADY IN AND AS WE BUILD IT OUT AND CONNECT MORE? YEAH, THIS IS MORE LIKE A, MORE OF A FUTURE CONCERN.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE DEALING WITH IT NOW, BUT I FEEL LIKE AS, AS THIS DEVELOPMENT, ONCE IT'S COMPLETED AND WE START MOVING INTO ANOTHER ONE, IT'S GONNA INTRODUCE MORE PEOPLE INTO THE AREA AND THEN PEOPLE NATURALLY, AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IT ANYWHERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT AN L-SHAPED SIDEWALK AND THERE'S LIKE A PATH IN THE RACKS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST INCLINED TO TAKE THE SHORTEST ROUTE COST AWAY.
THAT'S WHY FIRST LAWRENCE CHEW EVERYBODY OUT ON MILITARY BASES.
AND, UH, BECAUSE YOU WALK ON THE GRASS AND MESSES IT UP.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST A NATURAL HUMAN THING.
AND I, I THINK WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UM, ESPECIALLY ONCE THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES UP.
BUT I THINK HIS SIDE DID A GREAT JOB.
UM, I GOT NO COMPLAINTS WITH THEM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SLEEP ON THE ZONING CASE? UM, I JUST HAD, UH, FOR ONE, I, I DUNNO HOW TO USE THAT CLICKER OR ANYTHING THAT'S OKAY TO, TO CHANGE IT, BUT, UM, WHERE YOU COME IN FROM
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EXECUTIVE AND THEN YOU'RE AT THAT ROUNDABOUT AND YOU HAVE THE FIVE PARKING SPACES.I DID SEE THAT, UM, ON THE DESIGN WHEN I WAS LOOKING BEFORE I CAME HERE THAT THERE WAS A GATE THERE.
NOW IT'S LIKE, WELL WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WHAT IS THAT PARKING LOT? THAT'S RIGHT.
AFTER LIKE, AS SOON AS YOU WOULD GO INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED, CAN I SPEAK? YES.
SAY AS SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEONE COMING THERE TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT AREA OF PARKING IS FOR.
THAT'S FOR A RESIDENT THAT SAY LIVES IN THE BACK BUILDING AT THE TOP NORTHWEST CORNER THAT WANTS TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND DOESN'T WANT TO WALK.
UH, THEY CAN DRIVE AND PARK THERE, WALK INTO THE CLUBHOUSE.
COULD YOU JUST MOVE THE GATE? IF YOU'RE CHOOSING TO HAVE THE GATE, COULD YOU JUST MOVE IT OVER LIKE UP RIGHT PAST THAT PARKING LOT I GUESS THAT I WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
WE'D STILL WANT TO PROTECT THAT.
THAT WOULD STILL BE KIND OF IF WE HAD A GATE WITHIN THE GATED COMMUNITIES.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE SUGGESTION THERE FOR JUST CURIOUS? UH, SO NOBODY IS BACKING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.
'CAUSE IF IT'S GONNA CONNECT TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, 'CAUSE I LIVE IN CARE TRAILS.
I'M, I, I HAVE ROUNDABOUTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND WHAT JIM SAID IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN, WHEN YOU GO INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU DON'T STOP.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THERE AND THEN HERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS CAR'S BACKING UP AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL WHAT? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN TO ME.
WE, WE COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT ALL THE WAY UP, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A BREAK POINT SOMEWHERE THERE SO THAT THERE ARE SOME SPACES OUTSIDE OF THE GATE THAT COULD BE FOR A, A VISITOR AND THEN SOME SPACES ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE FOR RESIDENTS TO TRAVEL.
BUT YEAH, I THINK WE AGREE THOSE FIVE SPACES ON THE ROUNDABOUT DON'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
SO THAT'LL PROBABLY GET REMOVED.
UM, AND IS THERE SIDEWALK ON EXECUTIVE IN FRONT OF THE, I GUESS THE COMMERCIAL TYPE AREA? RETAIL? THERE IS NOT YET, BUT THERE WILL BE AS THE RETAILS THE COMMERCIAL GETS BUILT OUT, THERE WILL BE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? THE PUBLIC PORTION? UH, MR. RELL, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO READ OFF THE SIX AND OR SEVEN THINGS YOU HAVE IN YOUR DECISION RECORD PLEASE.
AND WHAT WILL BE ELIMINATED AND OR YES.
SO, UM, DIFFERENTLY, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONS, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, UM, SHOULD BE CHANGED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL REVIEW AND APPROVE THE SIGN PACKAGE.
ARE YOU WRITING THAT DOWN? YEAH, I, OKAY.
CONDITION NUMBER THREE STAYS THE SAME.
UM, WE WILL SCRATCH NUMBER FOUR, UM, AND WE'LL SCRATCH NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX.
UH, SO NUMBER, THE NEXT CONDITION, WHICH WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR, WILL BE THAT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OR THAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FIRE CODES.
UH, AND THEN WHAT BECOMES NUMBER FIVE IS, UH, APPLICANT SHALL CON, UH, CONSTRUCT A WALKWAY CONNECTING LA UM, THROUGH, UM, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, AN EIGHT BOOK WALKWAY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED CONNECTING, UH, LA ALLEY, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
EVERYONE GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
UH, MS. UH, LAST GENTLEMAN THAT, THAT SPOKE, DOES HIS PROPERTY BACK UP TO THIS, TO THIS PARTICULAR, YES.
UH, IN THE PAST, OH, I'M SORRY.
I, THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE MAP, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CLARIFY.
UH, THEN FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, MAYBE WE CONSIDER FENCING JUST SO THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST,
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A GREAT DEAL, UH, MOUNDING OR SOME SORT OF, UH, WAY TO STOP FOLKS FROM ACCESSING BECAUSE THAT'S, I'M SORRY.ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS GONNA BE, UH, HAD HE HAD PROBLEMS SINCE PARKVIEW WAS THERE AND, BUT HE ADDRESSED THAT AND HE SAID YES HE HAS.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND.
ANYONE ELSE? I CAN SAY THIS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY THE APPLICANT'S 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, LLC FOR APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 71 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD CASE DDP 24 0 5 IN ACCORDS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED APRIL 4TH, 2024.
AND IN THE AMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION RECORD MOTION, I'M SORRY, UH, MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? BY SECOND BY MR. JEFF.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. CASSIDY? YES, MS. FARGO? UM, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHY I THINK THAT THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN INCLUDED IN OUR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND, UH, I, I, UH, I THINK WHEN WE GET A DETAIL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE THINGS LIKE THE SIGNAGE, THE WALKWAY, THE ENTRANCE, AN EXIT.
IS IT GATED OR NOT? THERE WERE JUST SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE, SO MY VOTE WILL BE NO.
WHAT'S NEXT TO THE APPLICANT? UH, SO THE APPLICANT WILL, UM, REVISE THE, UH, THE SITE PLANS REGARDING THE, THE WALKWAY, THE LIGHTING ON THE WEST, UM, PROPERTY OR THE WEST BUILDINGS, UH, AS WELL AS THEN SUBMITTING A NEW SIGN PACKAGE, UH, AT THAT APPROPRIATE TIME FOR PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW.
UH, WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS APPROVAL MINUTES WITHOUT OBJECTION.
THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 12TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE APPROVED.
HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, THEY ARE APPROVED.
REPORT AND COUNT REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. RELL.
UM, SO FAR THE, UH, THE ONLY PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THE MOMENT, UM, IT IS A NEW TESLA, UH, CHARGING, UH, STATION AT THE MEYER IN THE MEYER PARKING LOT.
UM, I EXPECT PROBABLY BUCKY'S WILL SUBMIT THEIR DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR THE, POSSIBLY FOR THE MAIN MEETING, UM, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS, UM, NO LATER THAN FOR THE JUNE MEETING.
SO THEY CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY OR MOVING FORWARD.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION EXCEPT FOR JEFF? IF THIS IS NECESSARILY FOR US, BUT IT'S BASED ON THE PROJECTS WE'RE DOING.
SO IF YOU LOOK OUT IN FRONT WHERE MYERS CASEY'S NOW, WHERE SHEETS IS GOING IN AND OVER WHERE CHICK-FIL-A IS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THERE AND A LOT OF WIDE ROADWAYS WHERE PEOPLE ARE MAKING A LOT OF U-TURNS IN THERE TO THE INTERSECTION THERE AT KOHL'S, AS BIG AS THAT IS, OR PEOPLE SWINGING OUT INTO THERE ON A GREEN LIGHT TO DO A U-TURN TO BEAT THE GREEN LIGHT OF PEOPLE COMING OUT.
NOW THERE'S PEOPLE GOING OUT MINOR TURNING RIGHT ON THE RAMP TO DO A U-TURN AND COME BACK AROUND INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AT THE LIGHT.
AND I, I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, NO U-TURN SIGNS AND WE DON'T HAVE CONCRETE MEDIAS BLOCKING ON IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S FOR US TO BRING UP OR PASS ON TO STAFF TO LOOK INTO.
I, I SEE IT AS AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY THE ONE I SAW THE OTHER DAY AT THE BIG INTERSECTION THERE, YOU KNOW, OUT THE FRONT SPEEDWAY FROM SOMEONE LEAVING, CHIPPED AWAY TRYING TO BEAT THE LIGHT AND IT'S, IT'S A REGULAR OCCURRENCE BUT THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH IF SOMEBODY BACK THAT INTERSECTION UP.
UM, SO THAT, AND THEN I THINK YOU AND I TALKED THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN ISLANDS FOR SOME OF THESE WIDER CROSSWALKS, LIKE SAFE SPOTS AT THE HALFWAY POINTS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST LESS MOBILE, UH, TO NOT BE, NOT TO HAVE TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS IN ONE LIGHT EXCHANGE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE STARTING TO DO ANY SAFETY AUDITS ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT SWING IN FRONT OF THAT OFF WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE.
THE U-TURNS, I JUST, I THINK WE'VE GOT JUST TROUBLE GROOMING RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 2 0 1 OR 2 0 2? BOTH.
YEAH, WHERE CASEY'S IS NOW, WHICH I STILL THINK CASEY'S SHOULD BE IN.
'CAUSE THAT'S A BLIND, THAT'S A BLIND ANGLE TO THAT WALL.
SO THE PAPER STRAIGHT ZONE, WE COULDN'T BLOCK EM.
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THING YOU CAN DO NOW IS CONNECT THE MEDIA ALL THE WAY DOWN AND JUST ELIMINATE A LOT.BUT TURNING OUT OF THERE TO TURN, YOU KNOW, DO A U-TURN BACK AROUND OR TURN IT OUTTA SHEETS IF SOMETHING WAS TURNED RIGHT ON SHEETS, WHEN THAT OPENS UP TO DO A U-TURN LIKE THEY DO AT MEYER, THEY'RE GONNA TURN, THEY TURN RIGHT OUTTA MEYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
AND THEN DO A U-TURN IN THAT BIG OPEN MEDIAN.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF WIDE SPACE TO FIX THAT BECAUSE ALSO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT JUST TO GO OUT, IF YOU JUST GO OUT DESIGN ROUTE, YOU TAKE THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT ANYWAY.
BUT I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME OUT CHICK-FIL-A SHOOT DIAGONALLY ACROSS ALL OF THAT AND CUT IT AT THE MEDIAN IF THEY CAN BEAT PEOPLE.
THE MEDIAN'S, I DON'T KNOW, 90 FEET SHORT OF THE STOPLIGHT, BUT I'VE SEEN 'EM SIT IN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WAITING FOR IT TO GO FROM RED TO GREEN.
THEN WHEN IT TURNS GREEN THEY JUMP OUT INTO THAT MIDDLE LANE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BRING IT UP AS SOMETHING TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S US.
BUT IT'S OUR PROJECTS GENERATING TRAFFIC AND WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING MORE TRAFFIC GENERATORS ON EVERYTHING WE VOTE ON.
JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP WHILE WE ON THE OTHERS I THINK, SIR, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN SOME OF IT.
UH, KNUCKLEHEAD CALLING ME KNUCKLEHEAD.
IF IT WAS YOU IN FRONT OF ME, I DID.
PROBABLY SOME WORSE HONESTLY, IF THAT WAS, YEAH.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING UP BEFORE THE PLANE COMMISSION? DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE DINNER.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND.