Aug 08, 2023 Council Work Session

EXCUSE ME, THAT BOTH THE, UH, UNION AND THE CITY AGREED TO SUBMIT THE FACT FINDERS PROPOSAL AS THEIR LAST BEST OFFER.

VERY MUCHI.

ANYONE ELSE? YES, ED.

THANK YOU, MAYOR BRIAN? UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE F O P CONTRACT THAT WENT TO FIND FACT FINDING AND COUNSEL TURNED DOWN.

DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THAT? UH, YES.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT BOTH THE, UM, FACT FINDING, OR

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UH, THAT DOCUMENT IS BEING, UH, THE, UH, CONCILIATOR REPORT IS BEING DRAFTED TO REFLECT THAT, AND, UH, ONCE PROVIDED, UH, THE CONCILIATORS REPORT WILL BECOME THE CONTRACT FOR BOTH PARTIES.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

IS ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS UPDATE TONIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, NEXT UP

[ Board Of Zoning Appeals Update]

SO PART OF OUR, UH, ONGOING UPDATES FROM, UH, CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME UP THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TONIGHT, AND WE HAVE THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE B Z A, UM, MS. EVA NEWBIE TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, HOW YOU DOING? THIS IS GONNA BE A QUICK SYNOPSIS BECAUSE I KNOW ON YOUR AGENDA YOU GOT A LONG AGENDA.

SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A QUICK A SSIS.

THIS REPORT IS FROM JANUARY 22 TO JULY, UH, 23.

WE HAVE HAD A TOTAL, WE HAVE SAW A TOTAL OF 28 CASES.

UM, OUT OF THOSE CASES, MAJORITY OF THE CASES HAVE BEEN WITH SHEDS, UM, INDIVIDUALS NOT KNOWING WHAT THE OHIO REVISED CODE IS ABOUT, GETTING PERMISSION BEFORE YOU PUT A SHED.

AND, UM, IN 2022, THAT WAS 18 OF THE CASES.

AND 2023, IT'S BEEN 10 OF THE CASES.

SO THAT IS LIKE THE RAM OF MOST OF THE CASES THAT WE RECEIVE.

UM, WE HAD A COUPLE CASES REGARDING CHAIR AND A COUPLE CASES, UM, REGARDING PATIO COVERS.

UM, I THINK THIS PERSONALLY, I THINK THESE CASES CAN GO DOWN REGARDING THE SHED IF WE EDUCATE THE CITIZENS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU JUST CAN'T, EVEN THOUGH YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, YOU JUST CAN'T ARBITRARILY PUT SOMETHING UP WITHOUT GOING AND FOLLOWING WHAT THE CITY CODE SAYS.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD DECREASE THE CASES THAT WE HAVE REGARDING, UM, THE SHEDS.

AND WHERE YOU PUT 'EM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE CASES WHERE THEY WAS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE SIDE AND DOING THAT THIN LINE.

SO THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK.

YES, MS. NEWBIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, HAVE YOU DONE, OR CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, SINCE WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW, UM, IMMIGRANTS COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY, IS THERE A, UH, A SEGMENT OF THAT THE NUMBER HAVE COME IN ASKING FOR VARIANCES THAT INVOLVE THE, UH, IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY? WE MIGHT HAVE A, HAVE HAD A COUPLE.

UM, WELL, WE MIGHT HAVE BE ABOUT A COUPLE.

IT HASN'T BEEN A LARGE AMOUNT.

UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THOSE ARE NEW MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WE DEAL WITH HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS FROM HUBBERT HEIGHTS FOR A LENGTH OF TIME.

WOW.

ON THAT PART OF IT.

BUT WE DO RECEIVE, WE ARE SEEING, BECAUSE THE POPULATION IS BECOMING DIVERSE IN HUBBERT, SO WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, NATIONALITIES COMING IN THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET A BUILDER AND HAVE, THEY DON'T TELL 'EM THE WHOLE FACTS OF WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO COME TO US, YOU KNOW, ON THAT.

AND ONCE THEY UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE VERY QUICKLY AND, AND, UH, APOLOGETIC OR TRYING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA VIOLATE THE RULES.

BUT NO ONE IS TELLING THEM, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT AS A CITY, WE NEED TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY THAT WE EDUCATE NOT ONLY IN THE NEW ONES COMING TO THE CITY, BUT OLD ONES THAT'S IN THE CITY ABOUT WHAT THE RULES ARE, WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO.

AND THAT'LL SAVE THEM A LOT OF HA UM, HEADACHES AND FRUSTRATION WHEN THEY DO BECOME BEFORE US.

AND WE MIGHT SAY NO, BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE OHIO, UH, REVISED CODE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PART, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE HAD, LIKE YOU SAID, AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN, LIKE IF WE HAD A A, A MOTTO OR SOMETHING, CHECK BEFORE YOU BUILD OR, OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CHECK FOR CODE AND, AND THAT'S UP US COUNCIL THAT YOU ALL HAVE WARS.

WHEN YOU ALL, IF YOU HAVE AWARD MEETINGS WITH YOUR CITIZENS, THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF YOUR TOPICS THAT YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT, HEY, DID YOU KNOW? RIGHT.

OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN HUBERT ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK.

YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T ARBITRARILY PUT SOMETHING, EVEN THOUGH YOU, YOU BE PAID FOR IT.

YOU CANNOT ARBITRARILY PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR, ON YOUR PROPERTY WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE AWARENESS FOR PEOPLE HAVE FOR THE COUNCIL WHEN YOU MEET, IF YOU, IF YOU NOT MEET, AND YOU NEED TO MEET WITH YOUR CONSISTENCIES IN YOUR WARDS AND EXPLAIN THESE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE HUBER HEIGHT PAPER IS NO LONGER.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A HU BY PAPER IN YEARS.

AND MOST WE, YOU HAVE, HUBERT IS A OLDER GENERATION OF CITIZENS.

NOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ON FACEBOOK.

MY CO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES PUT STUFF ON FACEBOOK, BUT 75%

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YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE NOT TECH SAVVY, SO THEY'RE NOT ON FACEBOOK.

SO YOU GOTTA FIND ANOTHER WAY TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE IN HUBERT.

AND, UH, THAT'S IT.

SO I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE, THAT PERIOD OF TIME WAS FROM JANUARY OF 2022 TO, TO JUNE OR JULY OF, OF THIS YEAR.

IS THERE A, IS SUMMER A REAL? IS IT, SO DO YOU SEE A MORE TIME OF YEAR THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE OF THESE CASES THAT ARE HAPPENING? OR IS THIS KIND OF STRETCHED OUT? SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A TARGETED CAMPAIGN OF EDUCATION, WOULD THERE BE A BETTER TIME OF YEAR TO DO THAT? OR IS THIS JUST, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO IT ALL EVERY TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS A TRANSITION COMMUNITY.

YOU GOT PEOPLE, BECAUSE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, EITHER THEY'RE WITH THE MILITARY OKAY.

OR COMING IN FROM RETIRING FROM THE MILLFIELD, AND THEY WANNA BE SOMEWHERE CLOSE AROUND THE DAYTON AREA.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN ONGOING EDUCATIONAL AWARENESS ABOUT THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY.

UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU'RE GETTING A DIVERSE POPULATION OF INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT HAVE, UM, ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, UM, SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING OR WE ARE SEEING WITH THE BOARD.

BUT IT'S NOT NO GRASS THING WHERE, HEY, IN JULY WHEN PEOPLE WANNA MAKE SWIMMING POOLS AND DO ALL OF THAT, WE HAVE NO, IT'S CONSISTENCY.

IT'S, IT'S EVERY MONTH EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE MONTH.

I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN JUNE.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING FOR OUR COMMISSION.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, MY QUESTION IS, WOULD IT HELP IF WE, I KNOW YOU SAID A LOT OF 'EM DON'T GO TO SOCIAL MEDIA.

WELL, WHAT IF THE WEBSITE HAD A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AND HAD LIKE, THIS IS YOUR YARD AND YOU HAVE TO COME IN THIS FAR FROM YOUR SHED 10 FEET FROM WHATEVER THE DIMENSIONS ARE.

WOULD THAT HELP AT ALL? THAT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IT WILL, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET OUT THERE AND LET THEM KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE, UM, IT IS ON PROPERTY.

THE EDUCATE.

ALSO, YOU HAVE A NEW LIBRARY THAT HAVE CLASSES.

YOU COULD HAVE A GO WITH SOMETHING ELDER COMMUNITY, UH, COMPUTER CLASS, OR THE ELDERLY.

THAT'S WHO YOU NEED TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HUBBERT IS ELDERLY.

THE YOUNG ONES ARE NOT STAYING IN THE CITY.

AND THEY ARE THE ONES EITHER THEY WANT TO EXPAND ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN SELL IT TO, YOU KNOW.

SO IF YOU COULD EDUCATE THEM THROUGH COMPUTER, BECOME COMPUTER SAVVY AND, AND WHERE THEY CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE, YEAH.

THAT MIGHT HELP.

BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE LIKE BLACK AND WHITE.

OLDER ONES WANT TO SEE IT AND BLACK AND WHITE, BECAUSE THE, IF IT AIN'T IN BLACK AND WHITE, IT'S NOT.

SO, AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY EDUCATED WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR VOLUNTEERING.

UM, THAT BROUGHT SOMETHING UP.

UM, MS. NEWBIE THAT, UM, WE COULD POST SOMETHING AT THE LIBRARY.

THEY HAVE AN INFORMATION BOARD, WHICH WOULD HELP THE, UH, SENIOR CENTER HAS A NEWSLETTER THAT THEY PUT OUT EVERY MONTH.

WE COULD PUT A FEATURE IN THERE THAT THEY COULD RUN CONTINUOUSLY OR QUARTERLY OR, OR WHATEVER ELSE.

AND THEN IT COULD BE PUT AS A FEATURE IN THE WATER BILL THAT GOES OUT TO PEOPLE THAT GO OUT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT CREATIVE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.

YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR CITIZENS THAT HAVE ELECTED YOU ALL IN THIS POSITION IS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

BECAUSE THEY GET THE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE GETTING FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THINGS ARE TIGHT, MONEY IS TIGHT.

AND THEN SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME CASES WE HAD WHERE THEY DID IT BEFORE COMING TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT REPRIEVE TO SAY, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, SO TO ELIMINATE A LOT OF AGGRAVATION THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE WHEN THEY COME TO THE BOARD, OR EVEN WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE FAIR, WE WANNA FOLLOW WHAT THE GUIDELINE.

AND SOMETIME THEY GET KIND OF FRUSTRATED WITH US AND WANNA CROSS THAT LITTLE LINE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO STAY PROFESSIONAL AND DO WHAT WE SAID THAT WE WOULD DO ON THAT COMMISSION.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON THE COMMISSION IN THE CITY ON WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY EDUCATE THE PB PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

UHHUH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, DON, BECAUSE EVA'S ABOUT TO SIT DOWN AND I THOUGHT I CAN ALWAYS ASK THE QUESTION.

I THOUGHT, LEMME GET HER BACK UP HERE FOR JUST, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A BIG PROBLEM.

PROBLEM WITH THIS SHED THING.

AND, UH, I DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND, AND OUTSIDE OF TOWN, EVERYBODY SELLS THESE SHEDS.

LOWE'S SELLS PREBUILT SHEDS, AND YOU SEE 'EM AT AN EMPTY GAS STATION SELLING SHEDS.

DID YOU, HAVE YOU NOTICED WHETHER OR NOT THE PROBLEM IS LIKE THE PREBUILT SHEDS GETTING DROPPED OFF AND SET IN YARDS? OR ARE THESE ONES PEOPLE ARE BUILDING? DO YOU HAVE ANY CLUE ON I, I, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF IT ALL.

YOU KNOW, THE INSPECTOR, THE, THE, THE STAFF DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB GOING AROUND AND SEEING WHO'S DOING, WHO'S VIOLATING WHAT OR WHOEVER AND TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO TO LOWE'S AND MOST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT WORK AT LOWE'S ARE NOT, UM, CITIZENS OF HUBERT BECAUSE EACH CITY HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU BET.

THEY DON'T HAVE A ZONING THING.

TROTWOOD DOESN'T HAVE A JEFFERSON TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE ONE.

SO THEY GO BY, IF THE, UH, CUSTOMER ASKS THE INDIVIDUAL THEY'RE SELLING, IS THIS OKAY TO PUT IN MY BACKYARD? THEY GONNA TELL 'EM.

BECAUSE

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IT'S, IT'S A SALE.

I THINK MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE ONE MORE EDUCATIONAL POINT WE COULD LOOK AT.

AND THAT'S THE POINT OF SALE.

UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING THESE SHEDS, UH, TO OUR RESIDENTS, MAYBE THEY NEED A LITTLE, UM, INFORMATION AS WELL.

, I APPLAUD YOU ON, ON DIGGING DEEP AND FINDING, UH, THAT THAT IS A BIG ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, YOU NEED TO APPLY YOUR STAFF THAT DOES IT EVERY DAY.

THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.

WE JUST HERE TO, WE JUST READ THE REPORTS THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSION.

THREE C, WHICH IS THOMAS CLA PARK SHELTER ONE ROOF REPAIR REPLACEMENT, AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

, THEY, THE ONE OR THE FOOT SOLDIERS ARE GOING AROUND.

SO THEY DO AN EXCELLENT, DON AND HIS STAFF DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB.

AND IT MAKES OUR JOB EASY AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHEN WE COME THAT FIRST WEDNESDAY EVERY MONTH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST READING AND WE, WE GO BY THERE AND CHECK, BUT WE GOING BY THE GUIDANCE OF WHAT THE CITY TELL US AND HOW THEY EDUCATE US.

SO THEY ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE, UH, APPLAUDED FOR THE EXCELLENT JOB THAT THEY DO FOR THE CITY.

APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE.

NEXT ITEM

[ Thomas Cloud Park - Shelter #1 - Roof Repair/Replacement - Award Contract]

MIKE? UH, YES, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNSEL.

UM, THIS IS BASICALLY, UM, FOR SHELTER ONE ROOF REPLACEMENT AND REPAIRS.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN THE PAST THAT HAS NOT BEEN DUE TO E INFLATION PRICES, SOMETHING WE'D BE ABLE TO GET DONE, YOU KNOW, ABOVE OR BELOW THE, THE COST LEVELS HAVE REQUIRED BY COUNSEL TO APPROVE.

UM, SO NOW, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

SO BASICALLY THE, UM, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT NOW, I BELIEVE IS THE ASK IS, UM, $39,000.

SO THAT'S JUST BASICALLY JUST GETTING A NEW ROOF ON SHELTER ONE AS REQUIRED THAT WE, WE HAD A PROCESS, WE WERE REPLACING THEM FOR SOME TIME.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM MOVING FORWARD.

THANKS, MIKE.

ANY QUESTIONS? MIKE? ARE THOSE METAL? I'M SORRY? ARE THEY METAL? YES, THIS IS, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE THE, JUST SIMILAR TO ALL THE SAME AT CLOUD PARK WITHIN THE SHELTERS.

I TRY TO KEEP THEM UNIFORM THERE AT THAT LOCATION AS WELL AS SOME OF THE LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY.

ANYTHING ELSE? UH, YEAH.

UH, MIKE, WHEN WAS A ROOFER REPLACED AT, UH, SHE GATE? UH, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE, MR. WEBB.

I'D HAVE TO FIND OUT.

UM, I COULD FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU, BUT I CAN, CAN'T ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW.

I WAS JUST GONNA TELL YOU IT, IT LOOKS GREAT.

WE JUST HAD IT PAINTED THIS YEAR, SO MAKE MADE A LITTLE REFRESHING TO THE BUILDING THERE AND EVERYTHING TOO.

BUT THE ROOF ITSELF, IT IS A STANDING SEA ALSO ISN'T YES.

METAL ROOF THAT'S WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THERE TO ALL THE PARK LOCATIONS.

TO KIND OF IMPROVE THEM, YOU KNOW, PAINT'S CHEAPER THAN REBUILD , SIT DOWN.

ANYONE ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH NO WOULD BE, THE COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE MONDAY, AUGUST 21ST, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO ANY UH, LEGISLATIVE ITEMS WE PASS ON TONIGHT? WILL BE ON AUGUST 21ST MONDAY.

ANY OBJECTION? NO.

ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS THE THOMAS CLOUD PARK WALKING PATH.

AND NEXT IS

[ Thomas Cloud Park - Walking Path]

RUSS? UH, YES.

UM, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM CONCERNING A POSSIBLE INSTALLATION OF A WALKING PATH ALONG THE FRONT OF TOM CLOUD PARK ON BRENT PIKE.

I HAVE A COUPLE MAPS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, HOLD ON.

SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE, UH, THIS IS THE FRONT OF TOM CLOUD PARK.

UM, LIKE I SAID EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK ABOUT INSTALLING A, A WALKING PATH.

THAT WOULD BE FROM THE ENTRANCE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO TOM CLOUD PARK, ACROSS THE TOTAL FRONT OVER TO KITTRIDGE ROAD.

UH, YOU CAN SEE NOW THERE IS ONE OFF OF KITTRIDGE COMING DOWN TOWARDS TO A PARKING LOT JUST SOUTH OF OR DOWN FROM THE, UH, 10 SQUARES.

UM, WE DID LOOK AT RUNNING THE PATH ACROSS THE FRONT BEHIND, THERE'S TREES ALONG THE EDGE OF THE ROAD AND THE RIGHT OF WAY BEHIND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM LEFT NEAR THE ROAD.

THERE'S A SIDE DITCH THERE, THERE'S NO ROOM TO RUN A PATH THERE.

SO WE WERE RUNNING, LOOKING AT, AT RUNNING IT ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT THERE FROM, LIKE I SAID, RIDGE TO THE ENTRANCE.

UH, WE DID LAY OUT A, A PATH THAT WE WANTED AND THEN WE KNEW THERE WAS A, THERE'S PETROLEUM LINES RUNNING THERE.

THERE, IT'S, UH, MARATHON OIL AND SUNOCO.

THERE'S THREE, I THINK SIX OR EIGHT INCH, UH, LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THAT AREA.

AND, UH, ONCE WE KIND OF HAD A LAYOUT, I SENT IT OUT TO THOSE COMPANIES AND IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET ANSWERS BACK FROM THEM, BUT I DID GET ANSWERS BACK.

AND WHAT WE ENDED UP LAYING OUT, YOU CAN SEE THIS, UH, ACROSS THE FRONT, THESE RED LINES.

THERE'S THREE PETROLEUM LINES, AND EACH PETROLEUM LINE HAS A 50 FOOT EASEMENT, 25 FOOT

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ON EACH SIDE, AND TWO OF 'EM ARE 25 FEET APART.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 75 FEET TO A HUNDRED FEET ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT OF TOM CLOUD PARK THAT THEY DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO PUT ANYTHING IN.

IT USED TO BE YEARS AGO YOU COULD PUT A SIDEWALK IN IT, OR NOW YOU CAN STILL CROSS THEIR EASEMENT, BUT THEY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO RUN ANYTHING PARALLEL TO IT.

SO WE NOW HAVE A CHOICE OF IF WE WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT, IT HAS TO BE OUTSIDE THAT DARK DASH LINE, UM, WHICH PUTS IT WAY FAR AWAY.

AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN'T PUT IT NEAR THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE TENSION AND EVERYTHING THERE.

AND THE EASEMENT ACTUALLY GOES NEAR THE ROAD.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUILDING, I BELIEVE IS RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF GRADING HERE, WHICH MEANS IT'S, IT SLOPES UPHILL AT THAT POINT.

SO COMING THROUGH THIS AREA WOULD BE ROUGH RIGHT THROUGH HERE.

'CAUSE OF, YOU'D HAVE TO DIG IT OUT AND CREATE EITHER A RETAINING WALL OR A NEW SLOPE THERE TO STEEPEN IT UP.

UM, SO WHAT I'M HERE TONIGHT FOR, OR THE, THE OPTIONS I HAD WAS AN ASPHALT PATH FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER.

WOULD LIKE A SIX FOOT WIDE ASPHALT PATH WOULD BE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ROUGHLY.

AND IF YOU DECIDED TO DO CONCRETE SIDEWALK WITH LIKE SIX FOOT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 200,000.

UM, SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO FIND OUT WHETHER YOU WANTED TO PURSUE THIS.

UH, CURRENTLY IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET, BUT FOR ME TO DO IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR ANYWAY, SO WE COULD PUT IT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

UH, I GUESS I'M HERE TO FIND OUT WHETHER THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THIS LOOK, MUST LOOKING INTO THIS, AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU AS A DESIGN AND A FULL COST OR, UH, LOOKING FOR OTHER IDEAS OR WE CAN GET IT DONE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE ROUGH THROUGH HERE.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN RUN IT THROUGH HERE.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A FEW, A MI A FEW TREES OUT OF HERE TO DO THIS.

ALSO DOWN HERE YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT THERE IS THAT LIGHTED, UH, BILLBOARD SIGN.

AND THAT'S JUST OUT OF THE EASEMENT.

WE'D HAVE TO BE BEHIND THAT AND WE COULD RUN IT THROUGH THE AREA AND VOID TREES ALSO.

WE COULD GO AROUND, BUT AT THIS POINT I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER COUNCIL WOULD LIKE HERE TO CONTINUE FOR US.

WOULD IT RUN BEHIND THE TREES? WHAT'S THAT? WOULD IT RUN BEHIND THE TREES? IT COULD POSSIBLY RUN BEHIND THE TREES.

YEAH, WE COULD TAKE IT ALL BEHIND THE TREES.

YOU'D BE WAY UP HERE.

THEN BEHIND THAT, IT'D BE WAY FAR BACK, ANOTHER 50 TO A HUNDRED FEET PROBABLY.

UM, OKAY.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL BY THE DRAWING WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD ACTUALLY GO.

SO THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF THOSE ARE TRASH TREES THAT ARE IN THERE.

AND HYUNDAI ONES, THEY'RE LIKE PINE TREES OR EVERGREEN TREES, OR, I DUNNO ABOUT THE CONDITION ANYMORE SHAPE OR NOT.

MAYOR.

THIS PROJECT, A HAVING TO ADJUST FOR THESE PETROLEUM PIPELINES, UM, AND, AND HAVING IT GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD, DOES THAT DETER COUNSEL FROM WANTING US TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL? THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

UM, HOW MUCH I UNDERSTAND WE'D GO IN SAY 75 FEET FROM THE RAMP PIKE.

HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING INTO THE SOCCER FIELDS THAT ARE THERE? DO YOU HAVE THAT ANSWER? I DO NOT KNOW.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY BEEN GETTING IS THE SOCCER FIELD'S RIGHT HERE AS POOL IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE? CORRECT? YES SIR.

I THINK THERE'S ROOM IN FRONT OF THOSE.

SO A A COUPLE OF POINTS TO ADD ON TO, UM, TO THE ENGINEER'S COMMENTS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY SEEING THIS MAP, APOLOGIES, BUT THERE WAS A COPY OF THIS, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

SO, UM, IF YOU WANT ACCESS TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN.

UM, FIRST I WANTED TO, TO, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS, THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT WITH COUNSEL, UH, WAS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS A REQUEST OF COUNSEL AS PART OF THIS, UH, THIS YEAR.

UM, IT, THERE IS MONEY INCLUDED WITHIN THE BUDGET.

IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKS, UM, WITHIN THE PARKS BUDGET.

AND WE DID INCLUDE $200,000 FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, SO WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS ACCOMPLISHING THE WILL OF COUNSEL, UM, IN BRINGING THIS PARTICULAR MATTER FORWARD.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE CONTINUED TO RUN INTO ROADBLOCKS, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE ELECTING NOT TO DO ANYTHING OR WE'RE NOT ELECTING TO ADVANCE THIS, BUT WE'RE RUNNING INTO THESE OUTSIDE AGENCIES, THESE PETROLEUM COMPANIES THAT ARE PUSHING BACK ON US.

SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

WE WANTED TO, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT TO YOU.

UH, NUMBER TWO, OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE WAS THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, FEATURE WAS TO ACT AS MORE OF A SIDEWALK THAN IT WAS A WALKING PATH TO TRY AND GET FOLKS IN A SAFE MANNER FROM, UH, KITTRIDGE TO THE ENTRANCE OF TOM CLOUD PARK AND RECOGNIZING THAT THAT WAS WHAT COUNCIL WAS OUT TO ACCOMPLISH.

THE, THE TROUBLES THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE TROUBLES, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO ARE NOW PUSHING THIS FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ROAD AND TURNING IT MORE INTO OF A WALKING PATH OR A HIKING TRAIL ALMOST THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE COST FOR THIS PROJECT IS GOING UP.

AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH

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AND THEN NUMBER TWO, ARE WE, UH, WHERE DOES THE REASONABLENESS OF THE PROJECT EXPENSE END? UH, OR I GUESS, OR, OR WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE FIND THAT LIMIT? RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT $200,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

UM, YOU JUST HEARD THE ENGINEER SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE CONCRETE BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE SIDEWALK, BUT NOW WE CAN MOVE IT TO ASPHALT AND THAT WOULD BRING IT DOWN IN COST.

BUT NOW WE'VE ALSO HAD ADDITIONAL COSTS COME UP BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME GRADES AND, AND SOME, UH, SOME TREES.

SO AT THIS POINT, EXCUSE ME, I GUESS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE DIRECTION SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS PATH BASED ON THE BUDGET LIMIT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITHIN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS 200,000.

AND IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK FOR UNDER THAT VALUE, DO WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT? I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT.

EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU BRENDA.

YES, YOUR OKAY.

UM, RUSS, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO MOVING THIS TO A ANOTHER WORK SESSION BECAUSE WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU GAVE US, AND EVEN FROM THIS, I CAN'T REALLY TELL WHERE THAT SIDEWALK WOULD RUN AND, AND HOW IT, UH, IN RELATION TO THE TREES.

AND IF IT'S NOT CLOSE TO THE ROAD, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, AS A, AS INVITING, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT TO PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT TO USE THE SIDEWALK TO GET FROM KIDD RIDGE TO THE FRONT.

UH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE TAKING THAT ROUTE TO CROSS OVER AND GO SHOPPING OVER KROGER OR THE RESTAURANTS OR, OR WHATEVER ELSE.

UH, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US IN THE FUTURE TO GET LIKE A, A AERIAL SHOT AND YOU PUT A LINE IN THERE WHERE YOU PROJECTED THAT THE SIDEWALK WOULD GO, RIGHT.

SO THAT WE COULD SEE EXACTLY.

AND MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF THE TREES IN THERE.

SO IF WE HAVE TO REMOVE ANY, UM, THAT IF THEY'RE JUNK TREES, THAT'S NO HARM, NO FOUL.

BUT IF THEY'RE PINE TREES, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO TAKE THEM OUT.

I CAN BRING BACK A LAYOUT SHOWING THE EDGE OF THE EASEMENT LINE AND THEN SHOWING THE PATH AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, CAN BLOW IT UP MORE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER.

YEAH, I, YEAH, WE'VE WAITED THIS LONG FOR IT.

I'D LIKE TO, TO GET A CLEARER PICTURE BEFORE THE COUNCIL DECIDES WHETHER THEY WANNA PURSUE THIS OR NOT.

YEAH, I'LL SHOW IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIDGE HERE.

BUT JUST AS A SECOND OPTION, THERE IS A PATH RUNNING HERE THAT WE COULD CONTINUE IT FROM NEAR THE END OF IT AND THEN TAKE IT OVER, SAVE SOME MONEY ON THAT.

BUT THAT IS SUCH A NARROW ENTRANCE OVER THERE AND, UM, AND IT HASN'T BEEN REFINISHED IN A LONG TIME.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT, BUT, UM, I PERSONALLY HAD ENVISIONED A CONCRETE WALKWAY WHERE PEOPLE COULD, YOU KNOW, USE THEIR MOBILE, UH, MOBILITY VEHICLES OR, OR STROLLERS OR WHATEVER ELSE WAS UH, NECESSARY.

I WAS JUST AFRAID THAT THIS WOULD BE TOO FAR BACK THAT MOST PEOPLE WON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE.

AND AND THAT'S FAIR.

I THINK THAT A, A VISUAL WOULD HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION.

ALRIGHT, WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, WE ON VACATION NEXT WORK.

SO WE ONE AFTER THAT, WOULD THAT FINE? NO.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE THIS ONTO ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND NO OBJECTIONS, MAYOR? UM, MAY I CONTINUE? OH YES.

UM, RUSS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE ELEVATION MAP PLEASE? UM, AND BY THE WAY, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'M HAPPY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

'CAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT THIS WAS A NEW PROJECT WITH THE TITLE NAME CLOUD PARK WALKING PATH, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WALKING PATH AND SIDEWALKS CAN BE THE SAME THING, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

BUT YEAH, AS SOON AS, UH, YOU SAID SIDEWALK, UM, I REMEMBER WHERE THIS CAME FROM.

'CAUSE COUNCILMAN BURG HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, RIGHT? UM, THE DOTTED LINE, UH, TO THE NORTH.

AND ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT NORTH, BUT, BUT YEAH, THE DOTTED LINE ON THERE WEST.

YEAH, THAT'S THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT, THAT'S ACTUALLY THREE 50 FOOT EASEMENTS OVER OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER.

I'M SORRY, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE LINES.

BUT 25 FEET FROM THE PIPELINE GOING WEST THET ONE, IT'S 25 FEET FROM THE FURTHEST ONE.

UM, IT'S WEST, BUT FROM THE LAST LINE, 25 FEET OUT, THAT'S WHERE IT STOPS.

ALRIGHT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, SO WE CAN BUILD ANYTHING WHEN, WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM JUST TO THE WEST OF THAT DOTTED LINE.

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WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE VETERANS COMMITTEE WANTED TO PUT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL UP AT THE TOP OF THAT HILL AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS A PIPELINE THERE AND THEY COULDN'T PUT IT THERE.

AND THEN WE PUT IT WHERE IT WAS.

I MEAN, I LOVE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PROJECT AND IT'S WONDERFUL, BUT IT SURE, I THINK WOULD'VE LOOKED REALLY NICE THERE.

UM, SO IT'S NICE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE TOLD THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT UP THERE.

UM, BUT THAT SPURRED MY NEXT THOUGHT IS, UH, THE CORNER OF KITTRIDGE AND BRENT PIKE.

UM, THE PIPELINE DOESN'T START THERE.

WHERE, WHERE DOES IT GO? UH, FARTHER NORTH.

OH NO, IT RUNS, IT GOES THROUGH BY FOUNTAIN ROAD.

IT GOES THROUGH ARTISAN WALK.

SO DOES IT CROSS, DOES IT, BECAUSE WE ONLY SEE IN THE MAP THE RED LINE.

STOPPING AT KITTRIDGE.

AND I UNDERSTAND FOR THIS PURPOSE, WHERE DOES IT GO AFTER THAT? DOES IT CROSS THE STREET DIAGONALLY TO KITTRIDGE, UH, TOWARDS FOUNTAIN? YEAH.

IT, IT ENDS UP, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT HERE, BUT IT ENDS UP OVER IN BELL FOUNTAIN.

SO IT GOES FURTHER NORTH.

IT RUNS ON THE, IT KIND OF TAKES A JOG UP BELL FOUNTAIN.

SO HOW, HOW IS IT THAT WE HAVE SIDEWALKS UP THERE, BUT WE CAN'T PUT A SIDEWALK ON GRANT PIKE? HOW, SAY THAT AGAIN.

WE HAVE SIDEWALKS.

WELL, IT'S IN THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY.

I THINK WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT WHEN IT'S OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S DIFFERENT STORY.

SO WE CAN PUT A SIDEWALK, UM, RIGHT BY BRENT PIKE ALL THE WAY DOWN IF WE WANTED TO.

WELL, THE PROBLEM IS, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, IT'S REALLY STEEP.

THERE'S ABOUT A 10 FOOT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD HERE.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE ALONG BRENT.

YEAH, IT'S A WALK, BUT YOU COULDN'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF THAT ALONG THE ROAD 'CAUSE IT'S A DITCH THERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WIDTH YOU HAVE IS THE DITCH.

YOU CAN FILL IN THE DITCH, YOU COULD CURB THE WHOLE STREET IF YOU WANTED TO AND PUT SIDE IT POSSIBLY.

WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN PAVE IT IN GOLD BRICK TOO IF WE WANTED TO.

BUT MY POINT IS, WE CAN PUT A SIDEWALK THERE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE LIGHT HERE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT GETS CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT.

SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

YEAH, I CAN SEE IF IT'S, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT SIDEWALK THERE, YOU'D HAVE TO AT LEAST PUT CURB ON ROAD AND THE COST.

LIKE I, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO PUT STORMS THROUGH.

IF I WANNA PUT A SIDEWALK THERE, I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T WE PUT A CURVE? THERE COULD, BUT IT HAS TO.

WELL, THE THING IS, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU'RE GONNA, WHY, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT THERE, YOU HAVE TO PUT AT THE PROPER WIDTH TO BRENT PIKE FOR THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH.

WHATEVER'S WHITE.

WELL, LIKE I SAID THOUGH, YOU SAID THIS WHOLE STRIP FROM HERE TO HERE IS ABOUT A 10, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO BE RETAINING ALL THAT TOO.

I, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND.

I, I MEAN I, I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM AN ENGINEER CAN'T SOLVE.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF TIME AND MONEY.

AND I MEAN, I'M NOT THROWING AWAY MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK WAS, YOU KNOW, PROJECT WAS TO GO DOWN BRENT PIKE, SO I'M REALLY NOT SEEING A REASON WHY HE CAN'T GO DOWN VERY TIGHT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO ANY OBSERVATIONS.

LET LOOK INTO THAT FOR, SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO BUILD A SIDEWALK TO ME.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU MAYOR MARK.

MAYOR OR CAN I ASK, UH, ED SOME SURE.

QUESTIONS.

ED, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GAS EASEMENT ON BELL FOUNTAIN? HE SAID, DOES THIS GAS LINE RUN DOWN TO BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD? YES, IT DOES CONTINUE OUT THAT WAY.

BELL GOES NORTH.

WE HAVE SIDEWALK THERE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? UM, NO, HE WAS REFERRING TO BRENT PIKE.

ITSELF ALONG THE FRONT.

LOTS OVER, UH, THE EASEMENT, WHICH USED TO BE ALLOWED.

WHEN IT GOES UP NORTH ON BRANT, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS BY THE ROAD IN THE EASEMENT WHERE THE, UH, GAS LINES ARE GAS LINE.

IS IT GAS LINE? IT'S PETROLEUM GAS.

YEAH, IT'S GAS.

I'D LIKE TO BE SPECIFIC.

SO ZER PETROLEUM GAS LINES ON BELL FOUNTAIN? YES, YES, YES, YES.

AND IS THERE A SIDEWALK CLOSE TO THE PETROLEUM GAS? WELL, MOST OF 'EM ON BELL, FOUNTAIN ARE NOT ON BELL FOUNTAIN.

THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY, WAY.

THEY'RE OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT IT DOES CROSS, THERE'S REALLY THREE PIPELINES THAT RUN THROUGH HUBER.

UH, THERE'S SORT OF ONE THAT GOES NORTH, SORRY, ON THERE.

THERE'S REALLY THREE PIPELINES THAT RUN THROUGH HUBER AND THEY ALL CONVERGE INTO THE OLD NORTH DAYTON, THE BUCKEYE TERMINAL.

THERE'S SUNOCO AND BP, KIND OF, THEY ALL COME RIGHT THERE.

UH, SO THE FAR, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE FAR EAST GOES UP, UM, JUST TO THE EAST OF BELL FOUNTAIN AND CONTINUES.

'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING INTO THIS, TO ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, THAT THEY'RE NOW NOT ALLOWING SIDEWALKS NOR

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SO WE'RE HAVING THESE ISSUES OFF OF BELL FOUNTAIN AS WELL.

UH, SO THERE'S REALLY ONE THAT GOES IS THAT, IS THAT PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION? NO, NOT YET.

BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING INTO THE SAME ISSUE ON THE LOT LINES OVER THE EASEMENT.

IS THAT THE ONE ACROSS FROM THE OAKS? IT IS.

OH, OKAY.

SO THERE'S ONE HERE, UH, NEAR BELL FOUNTAIN.

THERE'S ONE THAT GOES NORTH, AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT GOES SORT OF NORTHWEST.

THEY KIND OF ALL JUST SORT OF SPLIT.

SO THERE'S A GAS LINE ON BELL FOUNTAIN NEAR BRENTWOOD.

ON BOTH SIDES OF IT.

HOW, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, RUSS, HOW FAR DO WE NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE GAS EASEMENT? YOU JUST HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE THE EASEMENT.

IT'S A 50 FOOT EASEMENT ON EACH LINE, CENTERED ON THE LINE.

SO 25 FEET ON EACH SIDE.

SO THE ONE ON BELL FOUNTAIN ROAD MUST BE IN REGARD TO THE NEW SIDEWALK OUTSIDE OF THAT 25 FEET.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE.

THEY WON'T LET ME GET INSIDE THE EASEMENT.

AN EASEMENT DOES RUN VERY CLOSE TO BRENT PIKE.

SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I, LIKE I SAID, I CAN LOOK AT TO SEE WHETHER YOU CAN CURB IT AND SIDEWALK, BUT YOU STILL MIGHT GET INTO THE EASEMENT IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

IF YOU'RE IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANNA DO.

I'LL LOOK AT IT.

JOHN.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

RUSS, WHERE'S OUR, UM, EASTERN CITY BOUNDARY ALONG BRAD PINE, EASTERN IN SOUTHERN WELL, WHILE THE EASTERN SIDE, HERE'S THE ENTRANCE INTO THE .

THERE'S A CITY LINE RIGHT HERE, UH, ON, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF GRANT PIKE, UM, RIGHT HERE, THIS WHOLE, THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF GRANT PIKE IS ALL IN THE RIVER, RIVERSIDE RIVER SIDED UP TO THE CORNER HERE BY THE, UH, CB SS.

IS IT ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT I'M SEEING, UH, DELINEATED THERE IS, IS THAT OUR CITY BOUNDARY THERE? THIS WOULD BE YOUR CITY BOUNDARY, RIGHT? ANY CONSIDERATION TO PUTTING THE SIDEWALK ALONG, UH, THAT SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY? UH, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT ALWAYS SAFE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN WITHOUT A CURB.

UH, IF YOU JUST PUT THE, IT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE GRAY HERE IS KIND OF STEEP ALSO.

IT DROPS, UH, IT'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET.

YOU WOULD'VE TO BUILD THAT OUT AND THEN GRADE IT DOWN THE SIDEWALK AGAIN.

AND YOU WANTED SOME SPACE BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALK.

SO YOU, BUT IT'S BE, IT MAY NOT BE THAT, THAT, THAT DOWN HERE, BUT THROUGH HERE.

SO MY TAKEAWAY FROM COUNCIL COMMENT WOULD BE THAT THERE IS A DESIRE TO SEE SIDEWALK TO LINK KITTRIDGE TO TOM CLOUD.

AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO THESE CHALLENGES ON WHAT WOULD BE THE WESTERN SIDE, UM, YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES AND COME BACK TO YOU AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE CONVERSATION.

SO THE ENGINEER AND I CAN STEP AWAY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION, TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN COME BACK AND PRESENT YOU WITH THOSE OPTIONS.

UH, AND BASED ON WHAT WE PROVIDE TO YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE US ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FORWARD IT AT THAT TIME, WE'LL RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.

SO EASY.

UM, YES, IF ON THE EAST SIDE, IF IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING THERE THAT WOULD INVOLVE, UM, RIVERSIDE AND SOME OF DAYTON IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THAT, WE, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO.

UH, THAT'S ALL WITHIN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE TO THE EAST OF THE COM OR THAT ARE EAST OF THE, THE CITY LIMIT, THEY, THOSE ARE IN DAYTON AND THOSE ARE IN RIVERSIDE, BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ITSELF IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL.

SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO WORK WITH THEM, UH, REGARDING THOSE PARTICULAR, REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALK.

UM, BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE RIGHT HERE THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

IT LOOKS LIKE WITHIN 10 FEET OR SO.

I CAN LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT MAY BE TOO CLOSE TO THE RIGHT, THE SIDEWALK.

THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO, UM, RUSS AND, AND, UM, M B R P C, UM, HAS A, A LOT OF, UH, GRANTS FOR, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF GRANTS FOR SAFE STREETS, RIGHT.

THAT WOULD HELP PAY FOR THIS.

AND M B R P C, I'VE TALKED TO THEM BEFORE.

UM, AND THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO HELP DEVISE A PLAN TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND, AND HELP WITH THE COST TO AT LEAST HELP WITH THE GRANT.

UM, SO MAYBE IT WOULD HELP TO ENGAGE WITH THEM TO SEE, TO HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK AND, AND WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT FUNDING FOR IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S OBSTACLES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, BUT, UM, PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, I SEE MORE PEOPLE TRAVELING ON THE EAST SIDE.

BUT, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE,

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WELL, BECAUSE IT'S SO HARD, YOU KNOW, TO WALK ON THE OTHER SIDE.

BUT YOU'LL SEE AN ACTUAL PATH THAT PEOPLE GO DOWN ON THEIR MOBILITIES ARE JUST WALKING AND IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.

YEAH, IT'S REAL CLOSE.

IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.

ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.

SO, UM, YEAH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND LEAVE THE OPTIONS OPEN.

BUT IT IS TOO EARLY TO MAKE A DECISION AT THIS POINT.

BUT, UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE AERIAL VIEW THAT, THAT WE ASKED FOR AND THEN SOME MORE INFORMATION.

I CAN CHECK.

SOMETHING COMES AVAILABLE SOON, HOPEFULLY CHECK THAT OUT.

E, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS CONTRACT AMENDMENT.

OKAY, SO NOT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT THE FOLLOWING WORK SESSION.

WE'LL, RIGHT.

SEE THIS NOW, RIGHT? SEPTEMBER 5TH.

SEPTEMBER 5TH, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Pickleball Courts - Contract Amendment]

ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS CASE B D P 23 DASH 17.

UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THERE WAS, UM, UH, SOME FOLLOW-UP COMMUNICATION FROM COUNCIL.

UH, AFTER, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, AFTER WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, COMMISSION, UM, TOTAL TENNIS, UH, TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING, UH, PICKLEBALL FACILITIES.

AND SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT CONCERN, WE REVIEWED AND EVALUATED THE BUDGET, UH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, TO BRING, UH, THE, UH, FULL, UM, UH, PLAYING AREA, THE FULL PLAYING SURFACE INTO, UH, THE, UH, RECOMMENDED GUIDELINES OF THE US PICKLEBALL ASSOCIATION.

SO WE, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ENTERTAIN LEGISLATION ON, UH, THE MEETING OF THE 21ST, UH, TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, UH, TO THE PROJECT SCOPE SO THAT WE CAN AMEND THE, UH, THE CONTRACT WITH TOTAL TENNIS AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A, UH, FULL PLAYING SURFACE THAT MEETS, UH, THE, UH, E PICKLEBALL ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDATIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION TO THE 21ST COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY, SEE NONE.

WE'LL MOVE THAT ON.

NEXT IS

[ Case BDP 23-17 - BP-OTP, LLC - Rezoning/Basic Development Plan - 4949 Chambersburg Road]

THANKS.

MOTION IS B P O T P L L C A REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 49 49 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

AARON.

HI.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AARON RELL.

SO I HAVE, UH, CUT THE PRESENTATION DOWN, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE LONG.

UM, GREAT.

SO, , UH, THIS IS A REZONE, A PARTIAL REZONING AND A, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THE TOTAL SITE IS 5.4 ACRES.

THE, UH, REZONING WILL COVER, UH, 2.4 ACRES, UH, GOING FROM OFFICE, UH, ONE TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.

UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL COVER THE ENTIRE 5.4 ACRES TO FACILITATE A, UH, 5,900 SQUARE FOOT WAWA CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUELING STATION FUELING PUMPS.

SO THE, UH, THE ENTIRE SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED, UH, THE RED, UH HA OR THE RED, UH, OUTLINE.

THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE, UH, SITE IS ZONED PLAIN COMMERCIAL.

THE TOP HALF OF THE SITE IS ZONED OH ONE, WHICH WILL BE, UM, REZONED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

TO THE SOUTH IS WALGREENS.

UH, ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER IS A SPEEDWAY AND, UH, KEY BANK IS ON THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER.

UH, THESE ARE SITES, LOOK, THIS IS A SITE OR A PICTURE OF THE SITE LOOKING FROM THE WALGREENS PARKING LOT LOOKING NORTH.

UH, THIS IS ALSO LOOKING AT THE CORNER HERE.

UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT TOPOGRAPHY AND GRADE CHANGE.

IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET FROM, UH, THE SIDEWALK TO THE, UH, TO THE PLATEAU OF THIS SITE.

UH, THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS OLD TROY PIKE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.

SO HALF OF THE SITE IS A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

HOUSE, WHICH IS DENSELY WOODED, AS YOU SAW.

UM, THERE IS A STEEP GRADE CHANGE.

UM, THE REQUIRED GRADING WILL END APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET FROM THE WEST, UH, PROPERTY LINE.

UH, AND THEN THERE'LL BE NO IMPACT TO THE HOME, UH, NORTH OF THE SITE.

UH, THE SITE DOES HAVE ACCESS TO ALL NECESSARY UTILITIES.

UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

UH, THERE WILL BE ACCESS FROM OLD TROY PIKE AND ALSO, UH, CHAMBERSBURG.

UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE WEST SIDE THERE'S ABOUT A, A 16 FOOT, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU, UH, MEASURE ABOUT A 16 FOOT GRADE CHANGE ON THE WEST SIDE.

FROM THE, UH, EXISTING SITE DOWN TO THE, UH, THE BUILDING PAD, UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING PROPOSED ON THE WEST SIDE FOR, UH, FOR BUFFERING, AS WELL AS, UH, ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG THE PERIMETER SITE TO MITIGATE THE LOSS OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT WOULD FACE, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.

UH, THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM, UH, CHAMBERSBURG AS FAR AS THE REZONING ANALYSIS, UM, AS I SAID, WE

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ARE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, REZONING, UH, 2.4 ACRES FROM OH ONE FIFTH PC.

UH, THIS FALLS UNDER OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, SO THE SITE IS ACTUALLY IN THE ESTATES PATTERN, UH, AREA, BUT IT'S ADJACENT AND REALLY MOSTLY SURROUNDED, UH, BY THE SOUTH TOWN PATTERSON OR PATTERN AREA.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF A PENINSULA, UH, INTO THE, UH, SOUTH TOWN AREA.

SO ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF THIS PATTERN AREA IS TO ALLOW FOR INCREMENTAL, CONTEXTUALLY RELEVANT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND AMENITIES.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW COMMERCIAL SITES OR, OR AREAS IN THAT ESTATE'S, UH, AR, UH, PATTERN, UH, AREA.

UH, MOST OF THE LAND TO THE, TO THE WEST ARE, IS LARGE LOT.

UH, RESIDENTIAL ALSO HAS SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONSTRAINTS, MAINLY FLOODING.

UH, THIS SITE HAS NONE OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS.

UH, SO, UH, GIVEN THE LOCATION AND ITS CONTEXT WITHIN THE ESTATE PATTERN, DISTRICTS, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT THE REZONING FROM OH ONE TO PLAN COMMERCIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, PLAN ANALYSIS, UH, RETAIL, UH, AND USES AND FILLING STATIONS ARE PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT.

THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL OF THE PARKING AND BUILDING SETBACKS, AS WELL AS YARD REQUIREMENTS.

THERE ARE 19 STREET TREES REQUIRED.

UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN SHOWS STREET TREES, BUT THEY'RE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.

UM, AND SO THEY REALLY DON'T FUNCTION AS STREET TREES.

SO DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE WANNA WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UH, SPACE THOSE TREES APPROPRIATELY.

UH, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GREAT CHALLENGES WITH HOW WE'RE GONNA LOCATE THE TREES ALONG, UH, OLD TROY PIKE.

WE ALSO, UM, NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE WIDENING OF, UH, CHAMBERSBURG AND SO THAT WE DON'T PLANT TREES.

AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, CUT 'EM DOWN.

UH, SO WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE APPROPRIATE, UH, PLACEMENT OF THOSE TREES.

UH, IF AND WHEN IT GETS TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UH, STAGE, UM, THE LIGHTING PLAN SUBMITTED, MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

THE PROPOSED FIXTURES ARE 20 FEET TALL.

UH, THE, THE LUMINARIES, UH, MEET CODE, THE BUILDING DESIGN SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE, UH, MATERIAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, NOT INCLUDING WINDOWS OR GLAZING.

THE BUILDING'S EXTERIOR IS 60 68% MASONRY.

UH, THE FRONT FACADE IS 78% MASONRY AND GLAZING IN TOTAL.

UH, THE, THE BALANCE OF THE EXTERIOR IS A WOOD COMPOSITE, UH, ACCENT SIDING.

UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING 53 SPACES, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE CODE REQUIRES.

UM, THE LANDSCAPING APPEARS TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

A SIGN PACKAGE WASN'T SUBMITTED, BUT WILL BE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE DETAIL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE ELEVATION SHOW THAT THERE ARE THREE, UH, WALL SIGNS, UH, AND TWO MONUMENT SIGNS.

SO, COMMUNITY CURRENT CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESS, UH, THAT WERE RAISED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

ONE WAS THE, THE KIND OF THE STANDARD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, UH, ARGUMENTS BOTH ON CHAMBERSBURG AND OLD TROY PIKE.

THE CONCERN ON CHAMBERSBURG IS THERE'S A KIND OF A, THERE'S A PRETTY STEEP HILL, UM, THAT IS RIGHT THERE.

AND SO THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT, UM, SIGHT LINES.

THAT HILL IS GONNA BE CUT DOWN BY FIVE FEET, UH, WHEN WE, UM, WIDEN CHAMBERSBURG.

SO THE SIGHT LINES WILL GREATLY IMPROVE, UH, AS WE REBUILD CHAMBERSBURG.

THE OTHER CONCERN WAS SEMI-TRUCKS TURNING, UH, NORTH ONTO OLD TROY PIKE.

REALLY, THE FUELING, UH, TRUCKS, UH, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE GRADE OF THE HILL.

UH, THE SLOPE OF OLD TROY PIKE IS ONLY THREE POINT A HALF PERCENT.

UM, THE ODOT RECOMMENDED MAXIMUM SLOPE IS 6%.

SO WE'RE WELL WITHIN AND ON THE KIND OF, ON THE MID RANGE OF ACCEPTABLE, UH, SLOPES.

UH, WE DON'T, STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THERE WILL BE ANY ISSUES REALLY FOR FUELING, UH, TRUCKS PULLING OUT ONTO OLD TROY PIKE.

THEY'RE UNLIKELY TO BE AT PEAK UH, HOURS.

THEY'RE ALSO PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UH, AND THEN CAN, IT IS JUST ADDITIONAL NOISE AND LIGHT FROM THE SITE.

UM, ALL OF THE, UM, FIXTURES ARE FLAT LENSES.

THEY WILL BE SHIELDED FROM THE WEST.

UM, HONESTLY, THE, UH, THE, THE LIGHT FIXTURES WILL BE BELOW, UH, THE GRADE FROM THE, UH, HOUSE TO THE WEST.

SO I DON'T THINK THEY'LL EVEN SEE THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE, UM, WE WILL ENSURE DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT FA PHASE THAT IT MEETS ALL OF OUR, UH, LIGHT TRESPASS REQUIREMENTS.

THERE WERE, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT, UM, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOME TO THE WEST AND THE SITE, UM, BETWEEN THE HOUSE OR REALLY THE, THE GARAGE FACADE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST.

AND THE, UH, BUILDING, IT'S 267 FEET.

UM, AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE STORE TO THE LOT LINE IS ABOUT 165, UH, FEET.

UM,

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THIS IS THREE D UH, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE THE NUMBERS, BUT, UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT SLOPE AND ELEVATION, RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS 10 FEET BELOW.

UM, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK OUT THE SITE AT 267 FEET, WHERE THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE, SO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WILL BE ABOUT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

IT SITS, THE GRATE SITS ABOUT 10 FEET BELOW, UH, THE GARAGE DOOR ELEVATION.

SO IF YOU'RE STANDING THERE, SO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN RIGHT NOW, UH, ABOUT 10 FEET TO SEE THE ELEVATION HERE.

AFTER THE GRADING IS COMPLETE, UH, THERE WILL BE ABOUT FOUR, FIVE FOOT DECLINE.

NOW IT'S JUST THE NATURAL GRADE, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A 16 FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THIS AREA, WHICH IS THE NATURAL GRADE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, THE BUILDING, UH, PATH.

SO AFTER GRADING, THIS SITE IS GONNA BE 20, ABOUT 21 FEET BELOW.

UM, THIS, THIS ALLOCATION.

SO WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS LIKELY TO SEE WITHOUT TREES IS THAT BIG.

UM, AND ONCE YOU PUT, OR SORRY, THE ON THE WEST IS LIKELY TO SEE, LOOKING TO THE EAST, IS THIS WITHOUT TREES.

ONCE UH, TREES ARE PUT IN, UH, THAT WILL LIKELY BE COMPLETELY OBSCURED.

NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL THE PROPERTY OWNER IS.

UM, SO IF HE IS TALL OR HE OR SHE IS TALL AT HE, 'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ON THE PHONE, IF HE'S TALL LIKE ME, HE'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE BUILDING.

IF HE'S MY WIFE'S SIZE, HE'S GONNA SEE ABOUT THAT.

UM, WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, IS THAT WE PROVIDE, UH, INSTEAD OF THE DECIDUOUS TREES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN TREES ON THIS WEST EDGE SO THAT DURING THE WINTER THAT, UH, VIEW IS, IS STILL OBSTRUCTED.

UM, SO THAT WHEN THE LEAVES DROP, WE STILL HAVE EVERGREEN TREES, UH, BLOCKING THAT VIEW TO THE, TO THE EAST.

SO STAFF RE, UH, SUPPORTS THE, UH, PARTIAL REZONING FOR OH ONE TO PC.

IT'S, UH, OUR OPINION OR MY OPINION, THAT THE SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET.

UH, AND THEN DEVELOP A PLAN TO PROTECT THOSE KEY TREES DURING CONSTRUCTION.

SUBJECT TO, UH, STAFF APPROVAL, UH, TWO THAT WE WORK WITH, UH, STAFF ON THE FINAL, UH, STREET TREE PLACEMENT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.

UM, THE SIGN SHOP CONFORM TO OUR SIGN CODE, UH, AND THEN WE LIMIT THE PERMITTED USES TO, UM, THOSE LISTED IN 11 76 0 1, EXCEPT FOR THESE FOLLOWING, WHICH WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN DOING NOW IN PLANNING COMMERCIAL, UH, AREAS.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED FIVE OH TO APPROVE THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THANKS, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS? MM-HMM.

, AARON, DO YOU WANT TO MENTION HOW THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SUCH AS GONNA PROCEED? OH YEAH.

UM, SO NEITHER MYSELF NOR THE APPLICANT CAN BE AT THE AUGUST UH, MEETINGS.

SO WE WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 11TH, WHERE BOTH OF US ALL CAN BE.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

IT'S WONDERFUL AS ALWAYS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.

UM, I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S SIDEWALKS ALONG OLD TROYER CHAMBERSBURG.

WOULD THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE NEW BUILD? UM, SO WHAT WILL THE THE, THE SIDEWALKS WILL PROBABLY BE, UH, IMPROVED ALONG ON DETROIT PIKE.

IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE, WE ARE PUTTING A BIKE PATH ALONG CHAMBERSBURG.

SO THE, UM, THE, WE WILL HAVE THE, WE WILL HAVE THE GRADING SET AND THE ENTRANCE, BASICALLY THE, THE, UM, THE ALLEY, OR SORRY, THE DRIVEWAY MOUTH WILL SET, BE SET AT THE GRADE.

THEY'RE WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEER WHO'S ALSO DESIGNING CHAMBERSBURG.

WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEY BUILD THE SIDEWALKS YET BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT GRADING THAT TAKES PLACE ALONG CHAMBERSBURG.

UH, AND IT'S VERY HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT, UM, WHEN THEY BUILD IT IN TWO YEARS, WE'D RIP IT OUT.

COULD WE PUT THE MONEY IN ESCROW AND HOLD IT? UH, WE CAN, I WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH RUSS.

SO I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

AND IT'S LARGER THAN FOUR INCHES.

SO AT ONE TIME WE HAD TREES LARGER THAN FOUR INCH.

UH, WHEN YOU MEASURE A TREE, IT'S CHEST HIGH

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CAN THAT BE SAVED? I DIDN'T SEE THAT DETAIL IN THE, OH, I MAY HAVE OMITTED THAT, BUT YEAH, IT, I'M LOOKING AT FOUR INCH, UH, DIAMETER OR BETTER.

AND, UM, WE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY FROM THE RESIDENT TO THE WEST.

HE WANTED A FENCE.

SO WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IN THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT US FROM THE COMPANY, IT SHOWED THE PICTURE OF THE STORE AND IT HAD TREES ON THE ONE SIDE AND BEHIND IT WAS A FENCE.

DO WHAT? YOU SENT US AN EMAIL FROM THE COMPANY? YES.

AND IN THE PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, IT HAD TREES AND BESIDE IT WAS A FENCE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, SO, UM, LET ME GO TO, THIS'LL WORK.

I'M RECOMMENDING AGAINST A FENCE.

UH, AND, AND THERE ARE TWO, TWO REASONS.

ONE, LEMME JUST STAND HERE AND TALK.

UM, ONE IN ORDER TO, TO BUILD A FENCE.

SO WHEN I TALK TO THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT WANTS THE FENCE, OR NOT THE APPLICANT, SORRY.

THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, HE WOULD LIKE A FENCE ALONG HIS PROPERTY LINE AT THE TOP OF THE, AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.

UM, I THINK THAT WE WILL END UP TAKING OUT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE IN ORDER TO, TO INSTALL A FENCE.

I ALSO DON'T THINK A FENCE IS GONNA BE ALL THAT USEFUL.

I MEAN, IT WILL BE USEFUL, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE THE COST BENEFIT IS AS GOOD FOR THE MONEY AS, UM, ENHANCING, MAINTAINING THE EXISTING VEGETATION AND NOT DISRUPTING WHAT IS THERE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND PROTECTING THAT.

AND THEN, UH, WHERE WE HAVE DONE THE GRADING AND THE CUTTING INTO THE HILL, UPGRADING THAT LANDSCAPING TO CREATE A SIGNIFICANT, UM, EVERGREEN BUFFER ALONG THAT TOP OF THE RIDGE, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, THAT MAKES THE SITE LOOK BETTER.

UH, IT WILL BE EASIER TO MAINTAIN FROM THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE AND THE MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.

AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT.

CERTAINLY GONNA BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT AND VISUAL, UH, BUFFER AND PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF NOISE BUFFERING.

'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE 16 FEET FROM THE TOP OF THAT HILL TO DOWN AT, AT ASPHALT LEVEL.

IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.

ARE THEY SURE THAT THEY CAN DIG THAT DEEP WITH THE BEDROCK THAT WE HAVE UNDER HUBER? SO YES.

AND WITH TANKS UNDERNEATH THAT.

UM, WHEN WE, THEY WERE, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT, THEY WERE EXPLORING TWO SITES.

I MEAN, RUSS TALKED TO 'EM.

I TALKED TO 'EM, AND, AND WE SAID THERE IS SIGNIFICANT BEDROCK HERE.

UM, I DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE, BUT THEY HAVE TAKEN SOIL BORINGS AND ROCK BORINGS THAT SHOW ON THE PLANS.

AND SO THEY HAVE FULLY EXAMINED THE SITE AND ARE WELL AWARE OF THE, UM, THE COMPOSITION OF THE LIMESTONE, UH, UNDER, UNDER HERE.

'CAUSE IF WE'RE HEDGING OUR BETTS THAT THE PROPERTY'S GONNA BE LOWERED BY THAT MUCH AND NOT PUT A FENCE IN, THEN WE REALIZE LATER, HEY, WE CAN'T GO DOWN THAT DEEP LIKE ANOTHER VENDOR HAD AND THEY HAD TO RAISE THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THE BEDROOM.

NO.

UM, UH, I THINK IF, LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE THEIR BORINGS AND THEY'RE HERE, THEY CAN, THEY CAN EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER.

BUT WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY, FROM WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT THE PLANS, THEY'VE TAKEN A NUMBER OF, OF SAMPLES AND THEY KNOW, UH, EXACTLY WHAT'S, UH, UNDER THERE.

UNLIKE A COUPLE OTHER GAS STATIONS THAT ARE, OR CONVENIENCE STORES THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH RECENTLY THAT KIND OF WENT IN A LITTLE SITE.

UN UNKNOWN, UN PREPPED.

UN THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.

I'M BEING GENEROUS.

UM, IT IS GENEROUS .

THEY, UH, THEY HAVE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS SITE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

I APPRECIATE, IT'S A NICE PRESENTATION, NANCY.

UM, I DON'T REMEMBER, UM, SEEING EITHER THE SIDEWALK PROJECT OR THE CHAMBERSBURG WEST EXTENSION WIDENING IN THE C I P.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE OUR TIMELINES FOR GETTING BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS DONE? AND THEN THAT MIGHT GO TO HIM VERSUS YOU 25? RUSS CAN ANSWER THAT 26 FOR WHICH THE CHAMBER CHAMBERSBURG, UH, WEST IS IN, UH, FOR DESIGN NOW.

IT GOES THROUGH ODOT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

IT'S A FIVE YEAR PROCESS.

2026 IS WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED.

AND IT DOES HAVE A 10 OR 11 FOOT WIDE, UH, BIKE PATH, CONCRETE PIPE PATH OR SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

ON THE NORTH SIDE ON,

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CORRECT.

THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH WALL ON THERE.

THE NORTH SIDE.

ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND THAT WILL GO HOW FAR DOWN? IT STARTS AT THE CORNER, AND IT RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ENDICOTT.

ALL THE WAY TO ENDICOTT.

UM, SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE PLAN TO PUT IN THE BIKE PATH? THE BIKE PATH GOES IN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY.

26.

2026.

AND THIS WILL BE WHAT WILL BE USED FOR THE EXTENSION TO THE GREAT MIAMI BIKEWAY, UH, THAT GOES TO THE CITY OF DAYTON.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TO EXTEND IT ANYWHERE WEST OF THAT POINT, YET.

IT GOES TO THE CITY'S CORP LINE, AND THEN THERE'S A STRETCH THERE AT CITY OF DAYTON.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY NEGOTIATIONS WITH CITY OF DAYTON YET TO DO SOMETHING.

THERE IS A BRIDGE DOWN THERE THAT HAVE TO BE WIDENED TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH THEM YET TO, TO, UH, EXTEND IT DOWN TO THE RIP WRAP OR TO BE PARKED.

WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE BRIDGE? UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S A BRIDGE FIELDS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SOCCER FIELDS.

SOCCER FIELDS AREA THERE ON CHAMBERSBURG.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THESE BEING, UM, SO MANY YEARS OUT.

AND, UM, IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A DRAMATIC DROP THERE ON THE HILL, PEOPLE COMING WEST ON CHAMBERSBURG.

UM, AND I MEAN, IT ALL SOUNDS WONDERFUL AFTER WE GET ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS DONE, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT SEEMS PRETTY DANGEROUS BECAUSE THAT'S A STEEP HILL, UM, FOR PEOPLE COMING OVER THE HILL AND THEN PEOPLE BEING CALLED TURNING, TURNING INTO THE, YOU MEAN AT THEIR ENTRANCE THERE ON CHAMBERSBURG? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE.

I MEAN, COMING DOWN CHAMBERSBURG, IF THEY'RE GONNA TURN ON, UM, OLD TROY.

OLD TROY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THE GAS STATION, UM, THAT, THAT TO ME IS, IS PRETTY DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN WIDENED, NUMBER ONE.

AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD NEED SOME, UM, SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING IF, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, TO CAUTION PEOPLE WHO ARE YEAH.

APPROACHING THAT HILL.

I KNOW, UH, DOWN ON THAT PICTURE ABOUT, WITH THE WORD CHAMBERSBURG, I KNOW IT STARTS A THIRD LANE, A MIDDLE LANE TO TURN LEFT.

SO IT IS A LITTLE WIDER THERE.

I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR BACK THAT GOES, BUT, UH, YEAH, WHEN WE'RE DONE IN 2026, THAT'LL ALL BE WIDE INTO THREE LANES.

AND THE HILL GOING TO THE WEST WILL BE CUT DOWN.

SO IT'LL BE, UH, 30, WELL, AT LEAST A 35 MILE ON OUR ROAD.

RIGHT NOW IT'S LESS THAN THAT.

SO SITE IS TO BE BETTER AT THAT POINT, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

SO THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA BE TAPERED A LITTLE BIT.

UH, SO IT'S NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PARKING ON AN ANGLE OR, OR STOPPED AT A STEEP ANGLE TURNING ONTO CHAMBERSBURG.

UH, THIS SITUATION ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE WALGREENS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE YOU CAN TURN LEFT OR RIGHT ONTO CHAMBERSBURG WHEN, AND THE HILL IS, UH, WEST.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING INTO WALGREENS.

I, YEAH, DEPENDS BUT MEAN DURING THE MORNING, YES, THIS WILL HAVE, UH, IN, IN THE EVENING, WE'LL SEE YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, MORE, MORE TRAFFIC.

I THINK WALGREENS IS KIND OF MORE OF A STEADY FLOW DURING, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

AND IF THEY WERE TO GO, I ASSUME THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO EXITS FROM THE GAS STATION, WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO GO NORTH, GO OUT ONTO CHAMBERSBURG WITHOUT GOING ON TO, UM, NOT ONTO CHAMBERSBURG? WILL THEY BE ABLE TO TURN OUT ON 2 0 2 DIRECTLY WITHOUT GOING ONTO TO CHAMBERSBURG? YES, THERE WILL BE A, THEY ARE ABLE TO DO A, UH, LEFT HAND TURN, UH, EXITING ONTO REY PI GOING NORTH.

I DO AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH, ABOUT THE FENCE.

THAT'LL BE DICEY, ESPECIALLY COMING UP THE HILL.

'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING LIKE IT WILL BE FLATTERED BY THEN.

THERE, THERE IS A LONG, THERE'S A LONG VISUAL CORRIDOR SO THAT YOU CAN SEE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THE LENGTH OF IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, DON'T KNOW, 400 FEET.

I THINK THIS IS THE ENTRANCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFF OF YEAH, TROY HERE, RIGHT, THERE IS A CENTER TURN LANE HERE.

SO PEOPLE COMING IN, TURNING OUT CAN USE THAT LITTLE MORE SAFETY THAT WAY.

AND, AND THERE'S A LONG LOOK BETWEEN THAT YOU HAVE A LONG SITE DISTANCE BETWEEN, UH, WHERE THAT ENTRANCE IS LOOKING UP THE HILL ON OLD TROY PIKE.

IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE THE, THE HILL THAT'S JUST WEST OF, UH, ON CHAMBERSBURG.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A LONG SITE DISTANCE THERE.

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I THINK WHAT THE FENCE WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET, WOULDN'T IT? I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT A 12 FOOT FENCER OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THAT JUST, I, I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THE APPLICANT TO THE APPLICANTS TO MAINTAIN THAT FENCE.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT WILL BE A CHALLENGE.

I THINK THE LANDSCAPING IS A BETTER, UH, AVENUE.

WILL THEY MAINTAIN THE, I'M SORRY? WILL THEY MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING IF ANYTHING DIES, THEN? YES.

THEY WOULD BE HELD TO OUR, OUR SAME, UM, AND, AND WE COULD, IF WE WANTED TO EXTEND THE LANDSCAPING BOND, RIGHT NOW, IT'S A STANDARD TWO YEAR, BUT IF WE WANTED TO ADD A CONDITION THAT THIS IS A BIT, A LITTLE BIT LONGER, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT, UH, IT'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

SO YOU'VE GOT THAT PURVIEW IF, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

WELL, SINCE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO FENCE, COULD THEY PUT MORE MOUNDING? SO IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE, WE COULD LOOK AT, AT THE RESIDENT TO THE WEST.

I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT MOUNDING THAT USE, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING OUT A LOT OF DIRT THERE.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DIRT THERE.

THERE IS A LOT.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIRT.

IT'S OFF.

SOME OF IT'S GONNA BE USED TO, TO FLATTEN THE SITE.

UM, WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT MOUNTING A LITTLE BIT AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, AT THIS EDGE.

THE PROBLEM IS THE MORE MOUNTING YOU DO, THE MORE YOU'RE GONNA HAPPY THE MATURE TREES.

SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO HAVE DURING THE DETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS DURING THIS SURVEY, WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE WANT TO ABSOLUTELY MAINTAIN, UH, AND NOT IMPACT BY GRADING? WHERE DO WE HAVE JUST SCRUB TREES THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY? AND SO THAT'S THE REQUIRE, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THAT TREE SURVEY.

SO TO SEE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH, UM, METROPOLITAN OR REVERB.

WE, UM, WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF TREES ALONG THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE, AND, AND THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH.

BUT WE KNEW THAT THE GRADING WAS GONNA BE A, A CHALLENGE.

SO WE WORKED OUT THE FINAL GRADING AND TREE PRESERVATION DURING RETAIL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO MAXIMIZE, UH, THE, THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT, UH, WERE SAVED.

IN FACT, IT DIDN'T COME TO YOU, BUT, UM, ONLY FIVE TREES ALONG THAT ENTIRE SPAN WERE REMOVED DUE TO GRADING.

UM, SO THERE'LL BE MORE HERE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE WANT TO SAVE AS MUCH OF THAT WEST EDGE, UH, AS WE CAN.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, SO YOU WORK WITH THE RESIDENT TO THE WEST AND TRY TO SAVES THAT, SAVE THE TREES SLASH I DON'T THINK HE WANTS MUCH OF A FENCE, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF HE DID HAVE THE FENCE.

SO AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE PROMISES YET UNTIL WE HAVE OKAY.

WE FEE, WE SEE EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF TREES.

IT'S TOUGH TO TELL.

WITH THE CROWN ON THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, WHEN WILL THE TREE STUDY COME BACK? UM, WELL, THEY'VE GOTTA GET THROUGH THE REZONING.

AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THEN THEY WOULD PROBABLY START, UH, THEN OKAY.

AND IT'LL BE A MONTH AWAY BEFORE YOU GUYS COME BACK.

EPTEMBER, AT LEAST A MONTH, S MONTH, JUST VACATIONS, WHATEVER IT WAS.

THEY'VE GOT CONFLICTS.

I HAVE CONFLICTS.

SO SEPTEMBER 11TH WORKED FOR BOTH OF US.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE THIS, AARON.

ANYONE ELSE? DON? THANK YOU.

UH, THANKS, SHARON.

I DID WANT YOU TO, TO CLARIFY THAT, AND YOU DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB THAT, UM, AS WE MOVE TOWARDS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU, YOU, IT'S QUITE PROBABLE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL FIND MORE TREES THAT, UH, CAN BE SAVED A, A LITTLE TWEAKING HERE, A LITTLE TWEAKING THERE TO, TO SAVE A, AN EXISTING TREE.

UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING IS, UM, WITH REGARD TO WOODED AREAS LIKE THIS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE THING ABOUT LAYING OUT THE SITE WITH, WHEN YOU HAVEN'T CLEARED THE TREES OR, OR NECESSARY TREES AND YOU'VE LAID IT OUT ON CAD AND, AND THIS IS APPEARS TO BE RIGHT, THINGS DO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AS YOU REALLY GET IN AND SPEND SOME TIME ON THE SURVEYING.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME, SOME TWEAKS ON THE GRADING AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE RAN INTO THIS METROPOLITAN, WE RAN INTO THIS WITH HOMESTEAD WHERE WHAT WE THOUGHT THE GRADING WAS GONNA BE DURING THE BASIC TURNED OUT TO BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

UH, AND SO WE WORKED OUT THESE ISSUES DURING THE DETAILED PROCESS.

GOOD.

UM, ALL OF COUNCIL, AS COUNCILMAN BAKER MENTIONED, ALL OF COUNCIL, UM, WAS COPIED IN AND FOLLOWED THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST, WEST.

, UH, JOE, I BELIEVE.

UM, CAN YOU, UH, TELL US WERE YOU ABLE TO, UM, COME TO A SUCCESSFUL, UM, SOLUTION FOR ALL THE ISSUES THAT, UH, THAT NEIGHBOR HAD BROUGHT UP?

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NOT YET.

UM, SO NEIGHBOR EMAILED ME, UH, A FENCE ESTIMATE, UM, THAT RUNS THE, THE LENGTH OF THAT, THAT PROPERTY LINE.

UM, AND THE ESTIMATE WAS $30,000, UH, TO PUT THAT ALONG THERE.

UH, AS I MENTIONED TO HIM, WHEN YOU TALKED ON THE PHONE, I WAS CONCERNED THAT IF, IF, TO BUILD A FENCE AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THE COST WAS GONNA BE AT THE TIME, MY MAIN CONCERN WAS THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN IN ORDER TO PUT, TO PROPERLY INSTALL A FENCE AND NOT JUST PIECEMEAL BETWEEN TREES.

UH, AND JUST SORT OF FITTED IN.

UM, AND WHAT MY COMMENT TO HIM WAS, WAS WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE TREE SURVEY, TO SEE WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T.

I ALSO SAID, I THOUGHT THAT, UH, LANDSCAPING WAS PROBABLY THE BETTER SOLUTION, BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

UM, HE DID SAY, UH, IN HIS EMAIL TO ME THAT HE WAS GETTING A COUPLE OTHER QUOTES, BUT THE ONE THAT HE SENT ME WAS, UH, $30,000.

, DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S, UM, IS IT A SECURITY ISSUE WITH THE NEIGHBOR THAT THEY WANT A FENCE OR, UH, IS IT A VISUAL ISSUE? UM, I THINK IT IS.

IT'S TWOFOLD.

ONE IS, UM, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE BECAUSE HE HEARS THE NOISE FROM OLD TROY PIKE NOW.

HMM.

UH, SO NOISE OF, OF THE VEHICLES IS ONE.

HE DID MENTION A SECURITY ISSUE BECAUSE THE CURRENT OWNER APPARENTLY FOUND SOME, SOME PEOPLE WERE WANDERING, WANDERING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

WHAT I TOLD HIM IS, AFTER THE GRADING, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE BETWEEN A 13 AND A 16 FOOT DROP.

AND SO THE WANDERING ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN UNLESS THEY FALL OFF THE, THE ROLL DOWN THE HILL.

SO THEY, THEY MAY LIKE GO AROUND IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, THEY WOULD NEED TO, THEY WOULD NEED TO CLIMB UP THAT LANDSCAPING OR JUST WALK UP HIS DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ALREADY A PATH RIGHT NOW.

BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THE WAY THIS IS GONNA BE GRADED GOING FROM THE SITE DIRECTLY ONTO, UM, HIS PROPERTY, UNLESS THEY, YOU KNOW, CLIMB A 16 FOOT STEEP SLOPE.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT TAKES SOME EFFORT.

ANYTHING ELSE, NANCY? UM, UM, AARON, WE'RE CHANGING THE TOPOGRAPHY QUITE A BIT.

UM, HOW ARE WE HANDLING THE, UM, WATER RUNOFF? YEAH, SO THAT, SO BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE, UH, SITE, THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO DO, UH, SIGNIFICANT SILT FENCING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, ALSO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF THAT GETS INTO, UM, OUR STORM, UH, SYSTEM.

UH, ALSO PROTECT EROSION FROM GETTING ONTO OLD TROY PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG.

UM, THE WAY THE, AFTER THE, UH, SITE HAS BEEN GRADED, UH, THERE IS A, THAT THIS DARK GREEN TO THE SOUTH IS THE RETENTION BASIN AREA.

SO THERE WILL BE STORM ON SITE, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, FOR THIS SITE.

BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, UM, THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT SILT FENCING AND CONSTRUCTION FENCING TO KEEP THAT, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT RUNOFF AT BAY AND CONTAINED ON SITE.

YES, KATE.

IN OUR SHOPPING CENTERS AND AREAS IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAVE THESE, UM, UH, CONSERVATION AREAS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAY, DO NOT, DO NOT MAINTAIN, DO NOT MOW, DO NOT CUT.

I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOUR HONOR.

WHAT HAVE WE DONE ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT OF THE RUNOFF WATER IN FIVE YEARS? THAT SITE? 'CAUSE OTHER, OTHER PLACES HAVE DEVELOPED AND THEY LET THAT GO TO SEED, IF YOU WILL, THE RUNOFF AREA OF THE SITE CURRENTLY.

SO IN THE FUTURE, OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS HAD THAT RUNOFF AREA AND IT'S GONE TO SEED AND LIKE, DO, IS IT IN THERE THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND KEEP THE TREES KNOCKED DOWN? AND SO THEY'RE, YEAH.

SO THIS CAME UP IN A CONVERSATION THAT, UH, ON ANOTHER PROJECT TODAY WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP ON SOME, UM, LIKE THE WALMART WHERE THE CONSERVATION AREAS HAVE KIND OF BEEN ALLOWED TO, TO SEED, YEAH.

ALLOWED TO BE OVERGROWN.

I DON'T HAVE THE PERFECT SOLUTION YET.

UM, WHAT WE WILL PROBABLY DO IS WRITE IN THE, IN THE, SO THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ANYWAY.

UM, I THINK WHAT WE WILL DO IS IN THE PD RE REQUIREMENTS, UH, HAVE STRONGER LANGUAGE.

'CAUSE OUR CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS IT FULLY.

UH, IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE IN PAST PLAN DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE HAD, UM, NO DISTURBED CONSERVATION AREAS.

SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS THINK THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT IS A DO NOT DISTURB ON THE PLANS.

SO THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY GONE TO SEA.

UH, WHERE WE HAVE CONVENIENCE STORES, UM, IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE FACE.

UH, SO THEY, THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPING, UM, AND MAINTENANCE.

SO I'M, I'M LESS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING THAN I AM

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WE NEED TO COME BACK LIKE THE WALMART.

THERE'S SOME STUFF ON EXECUTIVE.

WE'VE GOTTA COME BACK AND, UH, AND ADDRESS THOSE.

IT'S KIND OF ON MY LIST.

I JUST, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT YET.

IT'S ON PLANNING COMMISSION'S LIST AS WELL.

IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP A NUMBER OF TIMES.

HOPE IT SOME ZONINGS TOO.

G, WHICH IS CASE RP 23 DASH 18.

NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO THE SEPTEMBER 11TH COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.

AND WE WILL SEE IT THEN.

THANK YOU, AARON.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Case RP 23-18 - City Of Huber Heights - Vacate Thorngate Drive]

CITY OF HEBREW HEIGHTS, WHICH IS VACATING THORN GATE DRIVE.

AARON? YES.

SO THIS WILL BE LIGHT SPEED COMPARED TO THE OTHER.

UH, SO WE ARE THE APP, THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ASKED US TO, UH, VACATE, UM, A LITTLE STUB STREET, THORN GATE DRIVE NORTH OF WINGATE.

UM, VACATING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, REQUIRES BOTH APPROVAL BY THE PLATTING, UH, COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEN ALSO, UH, THIS BODY, THE THE CITY COUNCIL.

UH, SO THIS IS THE LITTLE ST.

STUBB STREET, UM, THORN GATE JUST NORTH OF WAYNE GATE NORTH OF HERE.

UM, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN OUT THE, THE ROADWAY, UH, AND STARTED TO GRADE, UH, WE WILL BE PUTTING SIDEWALKS BACK IN.

UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE HALF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, ONCE IT'S VACATED, WILL BE GIVEN TO EACH OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

UM, THEY'VE HAD SOME FLOODING ISSUES, UH, LARGELY CAUSED BY THIS SUB STREET THAT WAS NEVER CONTINUED TO THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THIS FLOODING.

THIS WILL NEVER BE BILLED AS A THOROUGH AS A THROUGH STREET.

THERE ARE HOUSES, UH, THAT BAT BUTT UP BEHIND IT.

UH, SO THIS IS THE BEST, UH, SOLUTION.

UM, SO STAFF RECOMME ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BEING INITIATED, UM, BY US AT THE REQUEST OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

UH, THE STUB SERVES NO MUNICIPAL FUNCTION, UH, SINCE THE CONNECTION TO THE NORTHERN SUBDIVISION WAS NEVER COMPLETED.

UH, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S JUST VACATION BY ORDINANCE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR AARON DON? JUST A QUICK GOOFY ONE.

UH, SINCE THERE WILL NO LONGER BE A THORN GATE, DOES, IS THERE ANY PROCESS WHERE THORN GATE IS REMOVED FROM THE STREETS DIRECTORY? UH, FROM A LIST OF STREETS? Y UM, YEAH.

WHEN IT'S FINALLY RE REMOVED AND IT'S NO LONGER A, A PUBLIC STREET, UM, PO POST OFFICE WILL BE NOTIFIED AND, AND THAT WILL ALL GO AWAY.

? YEAH.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AD NONE OF THE BUILDINGS ARE ADDRESSED OFF OF THORN GATE.

UM, SO IT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE FOR THE POSTAL SERVICE, BUT YEAH, IT WILL BE REMOVED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.

H, WHICH IS THE FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT AND SOLICITING BIDS.

SO, UM, THIS WOULD BE OKAY TO MOVE ON TO THE 21ST THOUGH, CORRECT? YES.

AND, UH, I ASSUME WE CAN GO TO TWO READINGS.

[ Fishburg Road Widening Project - Solicit Bids]

THIS IS RUSS.

UH, YES.

UM, THIS WAS FOR, UH, FOR US TO GO OUT THE BID FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT.

UH, REAL QUICKLY, I'LL GO OVER IT.

UH, THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FISHBURG ROAD FROM OLD TROY PIKE.

TO TOMBERG, WE'RE WIDENING IT INTO A FULL THREE LANES, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE CURB, STORM, SEWER, SIDEWALK, AND REVISING DRIVE APPROACHES IN THAT AREA.

UH, THE ESTIMATE FOR THIS WAS, UH, 700,000.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE CITY RECEIVED O P W C GRANT MONEY LAST YEAR OF 200,000, UH, IN GRANT AND 200,000 IN LOANS.

UM, AND THIS WAS THROUGH OUR CAPITAL ISSUE TWO FUND.

UM, I WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, AND I'M BRINGING IT BACK NOW.

AND IN YOUR PACKET, I'VE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE R F P, WHICH IS THE COURT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND A COPY OF THE REVISED BID SHEET THAT WE'LL BE INCLUDING IN THE BID DOCUMENTS.

UM, AT THE TIME LAST, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS TO SEE HOW WE COULD BID IT OUT, UM, TO GET IT DONE FASTER OR, OR, OR CHEAPER.

UM, SO WE, WHAT WE DO IN YOUR PACKET, WE SHOW THE BID SHEET AND WE, THERE'S TWO COLUMNS IN THERE, UH, SIX AND SEVEN SHOW WHERE THE CONTRACTOR CAN BID THE ITEMS. AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD BE PLACED ON THERE SO THAT HE WOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THEN HE'D TOTAL IT AT THE BOTTOM.

AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION IN THE,

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UH, COLUMN EIGHT NINE, HE CAN PUT THE PRICES IN FOR FINISHING IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.

SO HE WOULD PROBABLY START IN PROBABLY MARCH, EARLY MARCH NEXT YEAR AND FINISH IT, UH, PROBABLY BY JUNE.

IT'S ABOUT A THREE MONTH PROJECT.

UM, SO WE WANT TO BID IT THAT WAY, AND THAT WOULD, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE PRICES ON BOTH AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER YOU WANNA SPEND A LITTLE MONEY, GET IT DONE FASTER, OR YOU WANT TO WAIT AND POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, DO IT FOR A CHEAPER PRICE.

SO THAT'S HOW WE'D LIKE TO BID IT.

UH, THAT'S HOW WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO, TO BID IT THAT WAY FOR COUNSEL.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO 21ST? OKAY.

THE NEXT ITEM

[ 2024 Sidewalk Program - Resolution Of Necessity]

THREE I, WHICH IS THE 2024 SIDEWALK PROGRAM, AND THIS IS THE RESOLUTION OF NECESSITY.

THIS IS ALSO RUSS.

UH, THIS ONE IS THE YEARLY LEGISLATION.

UH, IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S A LIST OF STREETS AND A MAP IS ATTACHED.

THIS YEAR'S SIDEWALK PROGRAM, UH, IS, UH, BETWEEN HARVILLE AND BRANCH, AND IT'S JUST NORTH OF LONGFORD ROAD.

UM, THIS RESOLUTION IS THE START OF THE PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR.

UH, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO SEND OUT LETTERS TO ALL THE CITIZENS IN THE PROGRAM, UH, LETTING 'EM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE UNTIL, WELL, THE LETTER EXPLAINS EVERYTHING TO THEM, BUT THEY, THIS GIVES THEM THE CHOICE TO EITHER DO THE WORK THEMSELVES BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, OR HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO DO IT BY THAT POINT, AND, OR THEY CAN DO NOTHING AND ALLOW THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK.

UH, STARTING PROBABLY NEXT MARCH.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THIS TO BE PASSED SOON BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO GET THE LETTER SENT OUT.

RUSS, CAN YOU TELL ME THE STREETS AGAIN? IT WAS HARVILLE TO BRANT.

I DON'T, I FORGET WHERE THEY CROSS.

CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT? UH, THERE, THERE'S A LIST OF STREETS, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKET.

THAT WAS TOMBERG.

I CAN LIST A COUPLE GRAY DALE MAR MAR.

I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT.

OKAY, GREAT.

OKAY, THANKS.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION? NO.

J, WHICH IS THE MAED ARM AND STAMPED CROSSWALK CONSTELLATION AT BRANT AND OLD TROY PIKE.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ Mast Arm/Stamped Cross Walk Installation - Brandt Pike/Old Troy Pike]

RUSS? YEAH, THIS ONE, UH, IS CONCERNING.

UM, WELL SOON HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, ODOT IS GONNA START PAVING BRANT PIKE, AND THAT'S FROM THE SOUTH CORP LINE, WHICH IS NEAR TOM CLOUD PARK, UH, GOING NORTH TO FISHBURG.

UH, BUT THEY'RE STOPPING JUST SHORT OF FISHBURG.

UM, WITHIN THAT AREA, THERE'S, UH, FOUR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.

AND I KNOW LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID OLD TROY PIKE, THERE WAS QUESTIONS AFTER IT WAS OVER WHETHER WE WERE GONNA DO THE CROSS STAMPED CROSSWALKS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S OUT AT CHAMBERSBURG AND BRANT RIGHT NOW.

UM, I COULD ONLY FIND ONE LOCAL COMPANY THAT DID THIS TYPE OF WORK, AND THEY'RE OUT OF NAPOLEON, OHIO.

I DID GET ESTIMATES FROM HIM TO DO THOSE FOUR INTERSECTIONS, AND I ACTUALLY GOT ONE FOR LAST YEAR'S OLD TROY POCKET FISHBURG, IN CASE HE WANTED TO STILL DO THAT ONE.

BUT THEY RANGE FROM ABOUT 25,000 TO $35,000 PER INTERSECTION.

UM, THIS CAN BE DONE AFTER ODO T'S FINISHED WITH THE PAVING, AND WE, THEY CAN BE DONE ANYTIME, USUALLY SOON THEREAFTER.

UM, LET'S SEE.

SO BASICALLY I'M BRINGING THAT BACK.

WELL DISCUSSING THAT FIRST, I GUESS.

BUT THEN I ALSO WANTED TO DISCUSS MAED ARMS IN THOSE INTERSECTIONS, BECAUSE I WAS ALSO ASKED COULD WE DO MAED ARMS AT THESE NEW INTERSECTIONS ALSO, UM, THE MA ARMS, THEY'RE PRETTY, THEY'RE ABOUT 300,000 AT LEAST TO DO EACH INTERSECTION.

UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE START LIKE A YEARLY PROGRAM AND TRY TO JUST DO ONE, THE MAJOR ONES LIKE ONE A YEAR.

AND THEN I COULD TRY TO PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR TO DO WHATEVER ONE WE DECIDE WE FEEL IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

UM, WE WILL BE DOING IT UP AT, UM, UH, AT OLD TROY AND MELEE WAY WHEN THEY WIDEN THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE MASSED ARMS THERE AND THERE.

WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THE, THE HATCHED, UH, CROSSWALKS THERE TOO.

BUT THIS IS DOWN THERE ON BRAND.

UM, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THIS, I BELIEVE THIS IS NOT IN THE BUDGET AT THIS TIME, SO, UM, IF WE DID ALL FOUR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 120,000 TO DO THAT.

UM, OR WE COULD POSSIBLY, WE COULD WAIT TILL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR TO DO 'EM ALSO, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF A DISCUSSION ITEM I WANTED TO GO OVER.

THERE'S NO LEGISLATION FOR THIS.

WHAT WERE THOSE INTERSECTIONS AGAIN? SOME OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OH YEAH.

THE, UM, TOM CLOUD TO FISHBURG.

I'M SORRY, WHAT? TOM CLOUD TO FISHBURG? YES.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT BRAND PIKE AT THE TOM CLOUD ENTRANCE.

UH, BRAND PIKE AT KITTRIDGE.

BRENT PIKE AT NEBRASKA.

BRENT PIKE AT POWELL.

AND LIKE I SAID, I PUT

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IN THERE OLD TROY AT FISHBURG FROM LAST YEAR.

BUT THE ONE AT OLD TROY AND MERRILY WAY THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE.

THAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE ALREADY.

THAT'LL BE DONE NEXT YEAR AFTER THEY'RE DONE.

DO YOU WANT ANY COMMENTS? WAIT.

UM, THE SOUTH OF TOWN HAS ALWAYS WANTED IMPROVEMENTS AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO SHOW THAT WE'RE INVESTED IN THE SOUTH MAYOR.

RUSS? WOULD THIS BE SIMILAR TO OLD TROY? EXCUSE ME, BRANT PIKE IN CHAMBERSBURG? YES, PRETTY MUCH EXACT SAME.

I AGREE WITH, UH, KATE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A SOUND INVESTMENT FOR SOUTH HUBERT.

YEAH, I THINK, UM, I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THE COMMENTS.

I MEAN, AND I RECEIVED, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD ABOUT WHEN THE, UH, CHAMBERSBURG BRENT PIKE INTERSECTION WAS DONE.

I THINK IT'S THE SMALL THINGS THAT MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD IN THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE IN, THAT THAT MATTER.

AND I MEAN, IT WAS LOTS OF PUBLIC COMMENTARY ABOUT HOW GOOD THAT LOOKED AND HOW NICE THAT WAS WHEN THAT WAS FINISHED.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD ABOUT THE TALE OF TWO CITIES NORTH AND SOUTH AND ALL THAT? AND, AND I AGREE.

I THINK, UM, SHOWING THOSE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS IN AND INVESTMENTS, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN WOULD BE, WOULD BE, WOULD BE A WISE CHOICE FOR THE COST.

THAT SEEMS LITTLE TO BE ABLE TO, FOR WHAT THAT WOULD GENERATE, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT WHERE THEY LIVE, I THINK IS A, IS A CERTAINLY A WISE INVESTMENT.

KATE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK COMING UP FROM THIS UP RAMP PIKE COMING INTO OUR NEWLY DEVELOPED SHOPPING CENTER WHERE THE LIBRARY'S GONNA HAVE AND OUR NEW SHOPPING, REVITALIZED SHOPPING CENTER, WE NEED TO MAKE IT SHOW THE BEST IN INVI REVITALIZING THE SOUTH PART OF HUBER.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

THANK YOU MR. CAMPBELL, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, DON.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

NOPE, THANK YOU MAYOR RUSS.

IN THE PAST, MIKE GRAY HAS MENTIONED THAT THE INSTALLATION OF MASSED ARMS DOES ALLEVIATE SOME MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRADITIONAL CABLE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

DOES THAT STILL HOLD TRUE? YES, IT DOES.

? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, HE, MIKE REALLY LIKES HIM, SO, I MEAN, HE WANTS TO DO AS MANY AS WE CAN, BUT OBVIOUSLY AT 300,000 I FELT LIKE MIGHT EASE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT AND DO ONE A YEAR.

I SEE.

I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING A, A, A PROGRAM, A RECOMMENDED PROGRAM YEARLY ON WHICH ONES THAT WOULD, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO AND WHAT YEAR, AND THEN KIND OF SEE A LAYOUT SO WE COULD ADJUST THE BUDGET FOR THOSE.

BUT CERTAINLY A PLAN FROM FROM STAFF ON WHICH ONES WOULD BE DONE AND WHAT YEAR, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE.

FROM THE MASS ON A MASS ARM PERSPECTIVE.

AND WE TRY TO PROBABLY DO THE MOST, UH, THAT MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED INTERSECTIONS FIRST AND THEN, UH, FURTHER, UM, WITH THE MA ARM INSTALLATION, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AT, UH, OLD TROY AND CHAMBERSBURG, UM, I BELIEVE WE PUT MASS ARMS AT OLD TROY AND CHAMBERSBURG WHEN WE DID, WE, UH, ALSO CHANGED THE SIGNALING, UH, DEVICE THERE TO GO FROM THE WIRE LOOPS IN THE STREET TO THE CAMERA SYSTEM, IF I'M CORRECT.

YES, YES.

UH, IS THERE ANY, WHEN YOU'RE QUOTING HERE, 300 TO 400,000, WOULD EACH MASS ARM INSTALLATION LIKE THAT ALSO INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THAT? GETTING RID OF THE WIRE LOOPS USING THE CAMERA SYSTEM? WE'RE SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THAT WHENEVER WE CAN NOW, BECAUSE IT, EVERY TIME YOU REPAVE, YOU HAVE TO TEAR OUT THE LOOPS AND ABSOLUTELY PUT 'EM BACK.

AND THERE'S A COST OF THAT.

SO, AND IT'S A LOT BETTER.

AND IF I'M CORRECT, IT'S ALSO, UM, MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT THAN THE WIRE LOOP SYSTEM WAS.

SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS, UH, INVESTMENT, THERE ARE SOME REAL TANGIBLES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

WE CAN SAVE A LITTLE MONEY ON MAINTENANCE COSTS ACCORDING TO MIKE BY GOING WITH MASS ARMS. WE CAN IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE INTERSECTIONS BY PUTTING IN, UM, THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY AND SIGNALING DEVICES.

UH, ANY OTHER BENEFITS YOU CAN THINK OF WITH MA ARMS VERSUS CURRENT? NO, LIKE I SAID, MAINTENANCE IS PROBABLY THE BIG ONE.

IS IT? YEAH.

AND COUNCILWOMAN BAKER'S CORRECT.

AND JUST SEE, UH, AS COUNCILMAN, IT COULD, COULD BE SAFETY TOO.

'CAUSE I SOMETIMES WIRES HAVE BROKEN AND THINGS HAVE FALLEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IN WINDSTORMS ARE A LOT BETTER TO HAVE MASK ON.

GOOD.

SAFETY'S ALWAYS A GOOD ONE.

UH, THE APPEARANCE OF THE MASK ARMS AND THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR HAVE, UH, GOTTEN A GREAT, UH, RESPONSE FROM OUR RESIDENTS.

SO, UH, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND COUNCILMAN BAKER'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, NANCY? YES.

COUNCILMAN WEBB.

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UM, AND I SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE TOO, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE FIRST ONE THAT WE DO BE AT FISHBURG, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE UPGRADING, UH, MARION MEADOWS.

AND THAT WOULD JUST ADD, ENHANCE THE TOTAL APPEARANCE.

MAYOR, I JUST, SO THE FIRST ONE AFTER MARY, THE WAY IN OLD TROY, LIKE IF WE START THIS PROGRAM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRA AND FISHBURG MM-HMM.

BUT DOING THAT ONE AFTER OLD TROY AND MARYLEE WAY.

OLD TROY AND MARYLEE WAY IS GONNA BE STARTING HERE NEXT, NEXT MONTH OR TWO.

SO THAT ONE'S ALREADY DONE.

SO THE FIRST ONE OF THE NEW PLAN, RIGHT, STARTING AT FISHBURG FISHBURG MM-HMM.

MARY, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION WITH THE STREET SIGNS BE ILLUMINATED, LIKE THEY'RE AT TAYLORSVILLE AND OLD TROY.

UH, THEY CAN BE.

I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 25,000 TO DO THOSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

WE CAN ADD THAT.

I COULD HAVE THAT FOR CHRISTMAS.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

'CAUSE I CAN SEE THE SIGNS AT NIGHT AND I'M BLIND, SO THANK YOU.

YEP.

UH, I'M A FAN OF THOSE TOO.

IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IF WE DON'T, IT'S NICE TO SEE IN THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, THOSE MAJOR LIGHTS ILLUMINATED.

SO YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE LIKE YOU IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DELIVERY SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHERE THOSE BIGGER INTERSECTIONS ARE AND THEY CAN TURN ON 'EM.

NOT EVERYBODY'S HOMEGROWN LIKE WE ARE.

DON, IF I COULD JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION OF RUSS.

RUSS, IS THERE EVER BEEN ANY, UM, UH, ON THE STAMP CONCRETE OR THE STAMPED, UM, ASPHALT, HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY, UM, LONGEVITY STUDIES ON THAT, UH, HOW LONG IT HOLDS UP? THE ONES AT THE, AT BRANTON CHAMBERSBURG ARE NOW FOUR, THREE TO FOUR YEARS OLD, SO MM-HMM.

, I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE AT LEAST 10, I THINK.

AND I MIGHT START TO FADE AT SOME POINT, BUT THEY'LL STILL BE THERE.

AND WHEN THEY DO, IT IS JUST A, A REAPPLICATION OF THE SAME PRODUCT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, CAN I SAY ONE THING? YES.

UM, THE, UM, CROSSWALK, I'M GONNA BRING THAT, YOU WANT ME TO BRING THAT BACK LATER FOR, I'M GONNA TRY TO SEE IF I CAN FIND ANOTHER COMPANY AND GET ANOTHER QUOTE, BUT, UH, BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL TO TRY TO GET THAT DONE LATER THIS YEAR.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO DO? YES.

ALRIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, RIGHT? IS THAT THE SAME COMPANY THAT WE USED ON THE FIRST ONE? I, I BELIEVE THEY DID THE ONE AT CHAMBERSBURG.

ANY OBJECTIONS? UH, NO.

THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION, SO YEAH.

SO YEAH, WE'LL SEE THAT BACK.

UH, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT.

THREE K, WHICH IS THE EAST SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION PROJECT DESIGN.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM

[ East Sanitary Sewer Extension Project Design - Contract Modification]

AND THIS IS A CONTRACT MODIFICATION FOR US.

WELL, YOU'RE BUSY TONIGHT.

ITEM THREE L, THE POWELL ROAD REALIGNMENT PROJECT DESIGN AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

UH, THE EAST SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION, UH, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, THE, THE CONSULTANT WAS LOCKWOOD JONES AND BEAL WERE L J B AS THEY GO BY NOW.

UH, WE HAD A NOT TO EXCEED OF 420,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT.

UH, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH, UH, UH, SHOP DRAWINGS AND THINGS FOR DURING CONSTRUCTION OR RIGHT AFTER CONSTRUCTION STARTED, UM, THEY, THE COST OF THE, THE REVIEWS OF THOSE, UH, WE, WE, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL ONLY HAD SO MUCH FOR THAT AND WE WENT OVER THAT.

SO WE'RE ABOUT EIGHT TO $10,000 OVER THAT.

SO WE'RE, THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS PRETTY MUCH ON BUDGET, BUT WE WENT OVER ABOUT 8,000 FOR, UM, FOR THAT REVIEW.

AND, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR 25,000 EXTRA ON THIS PROJECT TO COVER, AND A LOT, AT LEAST 15,000 MORE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PUMP STATIONS OUT THERE THAT, UM, KIND OF TECHNICAL ISSUES COULD COME UP.

AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO USE THEM.

AGAIN, IT'S HEP ENGINEERING IS DOING THE ELECTRICAL PART OF THAT.

UH, THINGS JUST COME UP DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT I MAY NEED YOUR HELP.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR A TOTAL OF 25,000 ADDITIONAL TO COVER THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

WE'LL SEE THAT.

THE NEXT IS

[ Powell Road Realignment Project Design - Award Contract]

RUSS? YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE I BROUGHT TO YOU A COUPLE WEEKS AGO FOR, UM, UM, O P W C FUNDING TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.

AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S DUE THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

UH, AND THAT'S BEING DONE.

UH, WHAT THIS IS, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CONSULTANT, UH, START A DESIGN ON THAT.

AND WHEN I WENT OUT FOR QUOTES, THREE COMPANIES AND IT WAS CHOICE ONE ENGINEERING, BROOMBALL ENGINEERING AND D L Z ENGINEERING.

UM, AND THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT IS THE STRAIGHTENING OF POWER ROAD, THE

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REALIGNMENT OUT, UH, JUST WEST, WELL, WEST OF OLD TROY PIKE DOWN BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND, UM, THAT WORK CHOICE ONE CAME IN AT 43,100 BROOM BALL CAME IN AT 49,000 5, 450, AND D L Z WAS AT 75,946.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A NOT TO EXCEED WITH CHOICE ONE AT $50,000 TO, UH, DESIGN THAT.

AND, UM, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T GET THE FUND MONEY FROM O P W C, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHANCE WE WILL.

BUT, UH, IF WE DON'T, I'D STILL HAVE THAT DESIGN AND WE CAN USE IT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS WHENEVER WE DECIDE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH WITH THE DESIGN OR WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, WE ALWAYS NEED A DESIGN FINISHED.

SO I'D LIKE TO DO THAT NOW.

QUESTIONS, NANCY, HAVE WE USED THAT COMPANY BEFORE? CHOICE ONE? YEAH, WE USE 'EM ALL THE TIME.

THEY, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN DEED, SO THEY'RE OUTTA SYDNEY.

OH, OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

AND

[ Water Infrastructure Update/Water Main Replacement Project]

NEXT IS ITEM THREE M.

THIS IS THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE AND WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT.

THIS IS, UH, RUSS AND BRIAN, UM, AT COUNCIL REQUEST.

SO THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS, I GUESS ASKED TO LOOK AT, I BELIEVE, UH, THERE WAS SOME, UH, SOMEBODY WANTED TO DISCUSS, UH, THE, THE PROGRAM AND THE, UH, AND THE INTEGRITY STUDY.

UM, AS FAR AS THE UPDATES, I THINK I DID CHANGE A FEW DATES ON THE COUNT ON THE CALENDAR OR THE, THE SHEET THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, THAT WAS FOR THE UPCOMING PROJECT, THE 2023 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.

UM, WE WILL GIVE THEM NOTICE TO PROCEED HERE AND THEN, UM, THEY WILL, MOST OF 'EM HAVE SAID THEY PROBABLY START CONSTRUCTION IN OCTOBER AND THEY BOTH HOPE TO GET A, AT LEAST ONE STREET DONE BEFORE WINTER STARTS.

SO THAT'S THE CHANGE IN THE SCHEDULE THERE.

UM, AS I SAID LAST TIME, THE THE TWO STREETS THAT WERE CONCERNED WITH THE SCHOOLS ARE BEING DONE IN THE SUMMERTIME NEXT YEAR, AND THEY'LL WORK THE OTHER TWO OR THREE STREETS THEY HAVE IN THAT TIMEFRAME TO GET IT DONE BY AT LEAST FALL BY NEXT YEAR.

UM, THIS DISCUSSION ITEM, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT ON THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT ITSELF, UM, UH, THERE WAS ASKED ABOUT THE, THE TWO PROJECTS WE'RE DOING THE 2022 PROJECT, WHICH LIKE I SAID, IS ABOUT DONE.

WE'RE WORKING ON CROOKSTON, WHICH IS THE LAST STREET OF THE FOUR.

UM, THAT PROJECT WAS, WAS DESIGNED IN THE SUMMER OF 2022 AND WAS BID IN THE FALL OF 2022.

UM, AND WE STARTED IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

THE 2023 PROJECT THAT'S STARTING IN OCTOBER, UH, WAS DESIGNED LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER.

AND WE WENT TO MAY TO BID THAT.

AND UH, IN JANUARY WE DID ORDER THE PIPE FOR THAT.

UM, AND THE INTEGRITY STUDY THAT WE DID THAT WAS NOT FINALIZED UNTIL FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.

UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAD KEVIN CAMPANELLA COME IN.

AND MY POINT ON THIS IS THE FACT THAT THESE TWO PROJECTS WERE ALREADY DESIGNED PRIOR TO THE WATER INTEGRITY STUDY BEING DONE.

SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AS THEY WERE WE FOLLOWING THAT STUDY AND AT THE TIME WE, WE PICKED THOSE TWO PROJECTS TO GET ALL THE PRO ALL THE WATER MAINS DONE THAT ARE IN THE WORST SHAPE.

AND I THINK IT'S DOING GOOD 'CAUSE WE WATER MAINS ARE DOWN.

HOPEFULLY THAT'S PART OF THE REASON BECAUSE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, REPLACING SOME OF THE BAD ONES.

UM, THE, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A WATER MAIN BREAK ON A SECTION ON HUBBARD.

UH, THERE WAS ONE WATER MAIN BREAK LAST WEEK.

THERE WAS, THERE WAS SAID THERE WAS POSSIBLY A SECOND ONE THAT WAS THE SANITARY SEWER POINT REPAIR WE DID TWO MONTHS AGO.

IT WASN'T A WATER MAIN BREAK.

SO THERE IS A STRETCH OF HUBBARD THAT'S ABOUT 1500 FEET LONG THAT I DID NOT HAVE IN A, IN A PROGRAM.

AND THE REASON I DID THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE 13 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN, WE'VE NOW PLOTTED WATER MAIN BREAKS.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN A BREAK THERE.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE ONE LAST WEEK.

UH, AND THAT ONE KIND OF POSSIBLY OCCURRED BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS DOING SOME TRAINING UP ABOUT 500 FEET AWAY ON FIRE HYDRANTS AND VALVES.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID CAUSE SOME WATER HAMMER AND MAY HAVE CAUSED THE BREAK.

UM, BUT MY MAIN THING HERE IS THIS FACT THAT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET WATER MAINS REPLACED, THE ONES THAT ARE THE WORST.

AND EVEN THE NEXT PROJECT WE DO, I'M GONNA START GOING INTO USING THIS INTEGRITY STUDY TO FOLLOW THAT, UH, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION APPENDIX ON, UM, CRITICAL AREAS.

AND IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, THEY DO REFER TO THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING LIKE FULL STREETS IN THAT, IN THOSE CRITICAL AREAS.

UH, I DID TALK TO KEVIN CAMPANELLA FROM WHO CAME IN HERE AND DID THE PRESENTATION.

HE KIND OF AGREES WITH ME TO GET THE, THE, THE BAD AREAS FINISHED FIRST.

AND UH, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO A WHOLE SECTION OF A STREET.

IF A STREET'S A MILE LONG AND HALF OF IT HASN'T HAD A BREAK, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND REPLACING WATER MAIN WHEN THERE'S NEVER BEEN A BREAK.

THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE MAY DOING, DOING SOME PIECE WORK HERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE AREAS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, 10 BREAKS IN A CERTAIN AREA.

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SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON THAT.

THANKS CHRIS.

QUESTIONS, ANITA? YEAH, THAT WAS ME WHO BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED THAT MAYBE WE WERE PUTTING STRESS ONTO THE SECTION LIKE AT HUBBARD THAT WASN'T REPLACED AND THAT'S WHY IT BROKE.

SO THAT WAS MY BIG CONCERN.

WE REPLACED PART OF THE STREET AND THEN IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS JUST ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES UP FROM WHERE WE REPLACED THAT SUDDENLY THAT'S BREAKING.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING STRESS TO THE REST OF THE ROADS AS WE'RE DOING THIS TO WHERE IT'S JUST GONNA BE A CHAIN REACTION.

UH, I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S HAPPENING.

I MEAN, I, THERE'S NO REALLY NO REASON THAT STRESS SHOULD BE CAUSED EXTRA ON THE SECTION THAT'S NOT DONE.

LIKE I SAID, WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT ONE? I THINK MAYBE THEY WERE, UH, OPENING AND CLOSING VALVES AND FIRE HYDRANTS PROBABLY TOO FAST.

THE FIRE HEAD DEPARTMENT DOESN'T DO 'EM REAL SLOW LIKE THE WATER DEPARTMENT DOES SOMETIMES.

SO, UH, THEY, CAUSE WHENEVER THEY CLOSE THE VALVE OR OPEN IT, YOU CAN CAUSE WATER HAMMER.

AND THIS WAS LIKE 500, 600 FEET AWAY FROM WHERE THEY WERE WORKING.

SO THEY ASKED, I ASKED THEM TO GO TRAIN FURTHER NORTH , SO THEY'VE DONE THAT.

SO I SAID, DON'T DO IT IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THIS PIPING, THIS AREA'S FRAGILE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE STILL WORKING THIS LAST WEEK.

THEY WERE STILL WORKING ON HUBBARD.

SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT I STILL FEEL THAT I'D LIKE TO SPEND OUR MONEY ON THE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY BAD RATHER THAN PUTTING 'EM INTO REPLACING PIECES THAT HAVEN'T HAD ANY BREAKS.

DO WE HAVE A PLAN IF THIS WOULD CONTINUE? IF THIS DOES CONTINUE ON STREETS AS WE'RE NOT DOING THEM, IT'S THERE.

WELL OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL I'LL, WE'LL CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT, UH, I WILL START FOLLOWING HIS RECOMMENDATIONS.

HE, I EVEN TOLD HIM UP FRONT WHEN HE DID THIS, WHEN HE CAME IN AND DID THAT, I STILL LIKE TO DO THESE AREAS AND HE KIND OF AGREED TO GET THE ONES DONE THAT WERE THE WORST SHAPE FIRST AND NOT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON JUST TO DO A WHOLE STREET JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPENDING, LIKE I SAID, SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON ONES THAT AREN'T HAVING BRAKES.

THEY COULD STILL HAVE A BREAK, YOU KNOW, AFTERWARDS, BUT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE HAVING A LOT.

I'M JUST CONCERNED, AS YOU SAID, TURNING ON ENOUGH VALVES WAS ENOUGH TO HIT THE FRAGILE RIGHT PARTS OF PIPE.

THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT, THAT WOULD CAUSE A BREAK.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN SHOW YOU THE MAP WE HAVE SET UP AND IT HAS BREAKS EVERY, EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

THEY'RE ALL MAPPED ON THERE.

AND THEN EIGHT YEARS PRIOR TO THAT HAS ALL THE ONES.

SO FOR 13 YEARS I'VE GOT ALL THE MAPPING OF EVERY WATER MAIN BREAK.

AND, UH, SO I CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT THAT, OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE BAT AREAS ARE AND I THINK WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING OUR MONEY TO FIX FIRST.

AS LONG AS WE HAVE A PLAN THAT IF THIS CONTINUES, THAT WE CAN START ADJUSTING IT.

WELL, RIGHT.

AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THE, THE INTEGRITY STUDY, IT'S MAYBE NOT BEING REALLY USED YET, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CHRISTIAN EVEN WITH THE NEXT PROGRAM.

I'M GONNA START INCORPORATING THAT INTO IT, SO.

FORGIVENESS ON THE LOANS SO YOU CAN SUPPLY APPLY FOR IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DON? JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, RUSS, HOW ARE WE DOING ON WATER BREAKS? UH, WE HAD, WHETHER IT WAS FOUR OR FIVE LAST MONTH, BUT ONE OF 'EM WAS A LEAKING WATER VALVE.

UH, AND I THINK THE OTHER ONE MAY HAVE BEEN A SERVICE.

SO WE ONLY HAD, I THINK THREE LAST MONTH AND A TOTAL OF, I THINK 17 FOR THE SEVEN MONTHS, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE EVEN LIKE A, AFTER SIX MONTHS WE HAD 14, IF YOU DOUBLE THAT, IT'S 30, 30 A YEAR IN THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS, WE TYPICALLY HAVE 50 TO 60 A YEAR.

SO A LOT LESS.

ANITA, ARE YOU GOING AFTER SOME OF THIS MONEY? LIKE WE HAD, THERE WAS GRANT MONEY TO DO THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT AND WE WEREN'T PART OF THAT LIST OR WE ACTIVELY PURSUING THIS TO HELP.

YEAH, I DID HAVE AN EMAIL OUT FOR THAT.

UM, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ON WHETHER WE WENT OUT FOR FUNDING.

WE DID GO OUT FOR FUNDING WITH THAT PROGRAM THAT WAS LISTED, I THINK IN THE DAYTON JOURNAL OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

UH, WE DID GET FUNDING ON THAT TWO YEARS AGO FOR THE WELL FIELD, FOR THE NEW WELL, AND THAT FUNDING WAS, UM, DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT FUNDING AND THAT'S THE SAME ONE THAT WAS IN THAT ARTICLE.

THEY WERE IN THE FIFTH ROUND OF FUNDING.

WE GOT FUNDING IN THE FIRST ROUND AND YOU COULD NOT SUBMIT ANOTHER APPLICATION.

YOU ONLY HAD ONE CHANCE OF THAT APPLICATION.

SO WE GOT IT IN THE FIRST ROUND.

UM, THERE IS DFA FUNDING, WHICH IS OHIO E P A FUNDING.

IT MORE STARTS OUT AT A LOAN.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S NOW FOR FIVE YEARS.

UM, IT'S PRINCIPLE

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AND IT'S NOT TILL I THINK JANUARY OR FEBRUARY I CAN APPLY FOR A WATER MAIN PROJECT.

UM, AND IT COMES OUT AS A LOAN TO BEGIN WITH, BUT THEN LATER ON, THEY'LL, SOME OF IT TURNS INTO GRANT MONEY WITH THAT DFA MONEY OR BILL FUNDING THAT'S OUT THERE.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T REALLY KNOW OF, UH, ANY OTHER FOR WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT THAT WE COULD GET FUNDING FOR.

THREE N, WHICH IS METRO ROSE L L C DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY, UH, THANK YOU COUNT.

MAYOR? YES.

MARK RUSS.

DID I HEAR YOU SAY WE DID RECEIVE FUNDING YES, FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT.

HAD FUNDING STARTED TWO YEARS AGO AND WE WERE IN THE FIRST ROUND.

WE GOT FUNDING FOR THE NEW WELL THAT WE'RE BUILDING WELL NUMBER SEVEN AT THE WATER PLANT.

HOW MUCH? IT WAS 400,000, 400,000.

GOOD JOB.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[ Metro Rose, LLC - Development Agreement]

UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS, UH, FOR, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS NOW, UH, TO BRING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 25 ACRES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, THE ROSE.

UH, IT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO THE PROPERTY, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE, UH, THE NEW BAUER PROPERTY.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT METROPOLITAN, OR IN THIS INSTANCE METRO ROSE, UM, HAS, UH, NOW THEIR FULL SET OF APPROVALS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND THIS, UH, PARTICULAR AGREEMENT THAT IS BEFORE COUNSEL IS, UM, EFFECTIVELY THE LAST, I THINK, UM, A PARTICULAR MATTER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND METROPOLITAN TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS PROJECT COME TO FRUITION, LOOKING AT, UH, ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT.

UH, THE, UH, CITY STANDS TO NET, I BELIEVE IT IS, UH, JUST OVER 5 MILLION, OVER 30 YEARS, UH, AS PART OF ITS, UM, UH, AS PART OF ITS, UH, PORTION OF THIS PARTNERSHIP.

UH, AND THAT EXCLUDES A, UH, FOUR ACRE, UH, LOT.

UH, THAT'S TO BE DONATED TO THE CITY FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, UH, SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO, UH, RESTAURANTS, UH, PUBS AND BREWERIES.

UH, WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, IN FURTHERANCE OF, UH, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH METROPOLITAN, UH, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO BRING TO FRUITION.

WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL MOVE TO APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE 21ST, UH, SO THAT METROPOLITAN CAN BEGIN DOING WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, THEY DO BEST, UH, WHICH IS, UH, BUILDING, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, QUALITY MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT.

UH, AND THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE FORWARD ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING AWAY FROM THE DIOCESE WITH, UH, WITH, UH, ENTREPRENEURS ABOUT, UH, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

UH, THE, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM METROPOLITAN ARE HERE TO ALSO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM CITY COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

AND THEN IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE, UM, UTILITY RELIANCE STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE BY L J B EARLIER, UH, ALLOWING US TO MULTIPLY THE EFFECT OF THESE DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT, UM, ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.

UM, BRIAN, DO WE, HAVE WE GOTTEN THE DRAWINGS BACK AND WE INITIALLY SEE, WE INITIALLY HAD SEEN FIRST DRAWINGS, THEY MADE A FEW CHANGES THAT CAME BACK.

HAVE THEY DECIDED ON RENDERINGS? UM, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT R H M, UH, WHO BOUGHT FROM US? THESE ARE, THIS IS A, SORRY, THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

SORRY.

CONFUSION.

SO THIS IS, UH, ANXIOUS , SO SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.

SURE.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

YES, DON, BRIAN, YOU WANT, WHY DON'T JUST STATE THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN, THAT, UH, YOU STATED A EARLIER.

SURE.

THE, UM, THE TOTAL PROJECT, UH, TO THE CITY OVER THE TERM OF, UH, THE 30 YEARS BASED ON, UH, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, UH, THE CITY WILL, UH, RECEIVE IN TOTAL NET REVENUES, UH, $5.4 MILLION IS WHAT WE, UH, EXPECT TO GARNER FROM THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UH, WE ARE AT A PERCENTAGE OF, UH, HOW MUCH WE BOUGHT THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY FOR.

UH, CAN YOU RESTATE THAT? UM, SO ON OUR PARCEL, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORING PARCEL OF THE LAYMAN PROPERTY, UM, WE HAVE THE R H M PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE IN, IN SEPTEMBER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ITS FINAL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THAT'S ANOTHER, OR FOR ITS FINAL APPROVAL.

UH, THAT PROJECT, UH, IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE, UM, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, THAT PROJECT WILL BE 320 MARKET RATE UNITS, I BELIEVE.

UH, AND THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR THE 17.6 ACRES WAS 2.08 MILLION.

UM, AND I DON'T RECALL THE TOTAL, UM, INCENTIVE PACKAGE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UM, THAT, UH, THAT STILL REMAINS FOR 34 AND A HALF ACRES OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED.

SO, UH, COLLECTIVELY, THESE ARE ALL RESOURCES THAT CAN BE UTILIZED TO SUPPORT, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD ON BRAND, UH, UH, OLD TROY.

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AND, UH, IN SHORT, THAT'S SOME PRETTY GOOD NEWS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

SO ONE THING, GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO RESTATE IT.

SURE.

THANKS MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. KEITH? BRIAN, WILL WE GET THAT MONEY AT THE BEGINNING, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE END OF THE PROJECT? SO IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UNDER THIS PARTICULAR ARRANGEMENT, IT'S A COMBINATION, UM, OF BOTH.

SO THIS, UH, PROJECT IS STRUCTURED WITH, UM, THE PARCEL, UH, TO BE DONATED UPFRONT AS PART OF THE PROJECT.

UH, THERE'S ALSO A MINIMUM SERVICE PAYMENT THAT WILL BE MADE AT THE FRONT END OF THE PROJECT, UH, IN LIEU OF TAXES, AND THAT'LL BE OVER THE FIRST YEARS.

UH, THERE'S ALSO A PARTNERSHIP TO CONSTRUCT SOME DECORATIVE LIGHTING IN THE DISTRICT.

UM, SO WE'LL HAVE SOME INITIAL EXPENSE, BUT WE'LL ALSO BEGIN SEEING SOME REVENUES FROM THAT AS WELL UP FRONT.

AND THEN ON THE BACK END OF THIS PROJECT, YEAR 16 THROUGH 30, UH, WE'LL SEE THE, UH, THE, THE TIF DISTRICT, THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCE DISTRICT THAT WORKED THERE.

UH, AND WE'LL BE COLLECTING WHAT WOULD LARGELY BE COUNTY DOLLARS.

SO THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE WHOLE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

ANY OBJECTIONS? MOVING THIS ON TO THE 21ST.

WHICH IS THE CR DAYTON LAKES, I'M SORRY, LEASE AMENDMENT AT 60 61 BRAND PIKE.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE OH,

[ CR Dayton - Lease Amendment - 6061 Brandt Pike]

UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND FURTHERANCE OF MY COMMENTS DURING THE, UH, MANAGER'S REPORT.

UH, WE DO HAVE ONE TENANT IN THE NORTH BUILDING, WHICH WE INTEND TO DEMOLISH, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ITEM WOULD ALLOW AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, THE POSH SALON LEASE TO ALLOW US TO MOVE, UH, HER FROM THE NORTH BUILDING TO THE SOUTH BUILDING, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ALONG WITH OUR PLANS TO, UM, DEMOLISH THE NORTH BUILDING.

WHILE WE'RE, UH, RENOVATING THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL PROVE THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE, UH, ON THE 21ST.

ANY QUESTIONS? I'M ASSUMING CLARO, THAT, THAT THE, UH, EE IS TOTALLY FINE WITH THIS IN THE MOVE.

AND, UH, YES.

SO THE CITY WILL BE REHABILITATING, UH, SPACE IN THE SOUTH BUILDING AT NO EXPENSE TO HER.

AND THEN WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE A RELOCATION AT NO EXPENSE TO HER TO THAT SPACE.

SO, UH, SHE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MEASURE.

WILL WE MOVE HER BACK? THANKS, BRIAN.

WELL, SHE'S GOING TO THE SOUTH BUILDING BECAUSE WE'LL DEMOLISH THE NORTH BUILDING AND WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO REBUILD THE NORTH BUILDING AT THIS TIME.

THREE P, TITLE, SPONSORSHIP FOR THE BIG HOOP PLUS HOMETOWN HEROES, MILITARY APPRECIATION NIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE 21ST? OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM

[ Title Sponsorship - The Big Hoopla’s Hometown Heroes Military Appreciation Night]

BRENT, UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR, FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T AWARE, UM, THE BIG HOOPLA, WHICH HOSTS THE, UH, THE FIRST FOUR PLAY IN, UM, AND PROVIDES FOR AN ASSOCIATE NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, THEY HAVE SELECTED THE ROWS THIS YEAR TO HOST THEIR, UM, MILITARY APPRECIATION, UH, NIGHT, WHICH WILL BE SEPTEMBER 16TH.

UM, AS THE HOSTING VENUE, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PROVIDE TITLE SPONSORSHIP IN SUPPORT OF THAT EVENT.

UH, OUR SPONSORSHIP WOULD PROVIDE, UM, SEVERAL TICKETS, SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF TICKETS TO BE, UH, GIVEN AWAY.

UH, TO, UH, THOSE, UH, MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE, ARE SERVING OUR COUNTRY IN UNIFORM.

AND WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THAT TITLE SPONSOR.

AS I SAID, UH, THE CITY DOES PROVIDE FOR MARKETING AND ADVERTISING MONEY WITHIN ITS BUDGET, AND WE DO HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO, UH, TO, UH, FURTHER THIS ENDEAVOR.

AND WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ON MONDAY, UH, THE 21ST, APPROVE THIS MEASURE SO THAT WE CAN BE A, A TITLE SPONSOR AS THE HOST VENUE.

ANY QUESTIONS? YOU GUYS AHEAD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA.

UH, THE 25,000, UM, IS THAT, UH, JUST FOR TICKETS? UM, THERE IS, UM, I BELIEVE I INCLUDED, UM, AND WHERE I'M THE MATERIAL.

AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT, UM, HAS THE ROSE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH FOR QUITE A WHILE? UH, IT HAS AND, UH, UH, CONCERT, UM, HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR EVENING.

AND IT WAS, THE CONCERT IS SPECIFIC FOR THIS PURPOSE.

UM, AND THAT IS, NOPE, WRONG ONE.

AND THAT PARTICULAR EVENING WILL BE, AND I'M SORRY, I'M NOT A COUNTRY FU MUSIC FAN.

IT IS JUSTIN MOORE, UM, WHO WILL BE HOSTING, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME.

I WAS, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON A RESEARCH QUESTION EARLIER IN THE MEETING, UH, THE TITLE SPONSORSHIP, UM, EXCUSE ME.

LIKE I SAID, UM, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT I HAD INCLUDED SOME

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MATERIALS.

UM, THERE'S ADDITIONAL ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE VENUE, BUT IT, THE BULK OF IT IS TO PROVIDE TICKETS FOR, UH, THE MILITARY TO, TO GIVE AWAY THAT'S PARTICULAR CONCERT.

'CAUSE WE CAN'T, UH, WITH OUR CONTRACT, WITH ME MEAN WE CAN'T GIVE 'EM AWAY.

WE HAVE TO PAY, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE, RIGHT.

WE WANNA FOLLOW OUR CONTRACT, BUT THAT'S, UH, I, I THINK THAT'S A, A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY AND A WONDERFUL WAY TO THANK OUR VETS.

IS ITEM THREE Q, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH AND PROCESS UPDATE.

THANKS, ED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE 21ST? OKAY, WE'LL SEE THAT THEN.

AND LAST UP

[ City Manager Search Process Update]

UH, TONY, YOU WERE ASKED TO, UH, PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, TO WHERE WE ARE FROM HERE, SO YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING PREPARED.

THAT'S I DO.

UM, SO, UH, COUNSEL HAD REQUESTED, UH, THAT WE PROVIDE A PUBLIC UPDATE ON THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS TO DATE.

I WILL PREFACE MY COMMENTS BY SAYING THAT THE, UM, THE INFORMATION I'M GONNA BE SHARING IS INFORMATION THAT IS PART OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AND NOT, UH, AS A RESULT OF ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL RELATIVE TO THIS SEARCH PROCESS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO THE, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ELEMENTS OF THIS THAT I CANNOT UPDATE YOU ON BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PROCESS.

SO AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE RESTART OF THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS IN EARLY 2023, THE CITY ENGAGED WITH BAKER TILLY TO INITIATE A NEW SEARCH PROCESS IN 2023.

UNDER THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND BAKER TILLY SIGNED IN NOVEMBER, 2021 AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE CITY BAKER TILLY WORKED WITH THE CITY TO UPDATE THE CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT BROCHURE, AND THE RECRUITMENT BROCHURE WAS DISSEMINATED NATIONALLY THROUGH VARIOUS MEDIA BY BAKER TILLY.

WITH THE FIRST REVIEW OF APPLICATIONS BY BAKER TILLY AFTER MAY 1ST, 2023, BY THE FIRST REVIEW OF APPLICATIONS, BAKER TILLY HAD RECEIVED 46 APPLICATIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER POSITION HERE IN HUBER HEIGHTS.

BAKER TILLY THEN SCREENED THE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED AGAINST THE QUALIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN THE RECRUITMENT BROCHURE, AND RECOMMENDED NINE CANDIDATES TO BE INTERVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL THAT MET THE QUALIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN THE RECRUITMENT BROCHURE.

AFTER THE APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR THE NINE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY BAKER TILLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

TWO OF THESE CANDIDATES WITHDREW FROM THE SEARCH PROCESS OF THEIR OWN ACCORD.

THE CITY COUNCIL THEN BEGAN A REVIEW OF THE REMAINING SEVEN CANDIDATES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHICH INCLUDED A COMBINATION OF REVIEW OF APPLICATION MATERIALS, VIDEO QUESTIONNAIRES, MICROSOFT TEAMS INTERVIEWS, AND OR IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS.

THESE PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC MEETINGS REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS TOOK PLACE ON THE FOLLOWING DATES, JUNE 22ND, 2023, JULY 12TH, 2023, JULY 13TH, 2023, JULY 19TH, 2023, AND JULY 20TH, 2023.

THE NAMES AND APPLICATION MATERIALS OF THESE SEVEN CANDIDATES WERE LA LATER, PUBLICLY RELEASED BY THE CITY.

IN RESPONSE TO A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST BY THE DAYTON DAILY NEWS, THE CITY COUNCIL WAS SCHEDULED TO MEET AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT A PROPERLY NOTICED MEETING AS A COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON MONDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM TO CONTINUE THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH PROCESS.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AT THIS POINT.

COMMENTS, ED, MAYOR.

UH, THANK YOU TONY FOR THAT UPDATE.

UM, THE REASON WHY, UM, I REQUESTED THAT THIS INFORMATION OR THIS ITEM BE ON THE AGENDA, IS TO TALK ABOUT AN UPDATE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IN OUR MEETINGS, WE'VE HAD SPECIAL WORK SESSIONS, WE'VE GONE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UPDATING THE COMMUNITY.

IT HAS BEEN, UH, QUITE A BIT OF A PROCESS AND WE'RE STILL INTERVIEWING MAYOR.

UM, YOU WANT TO GIVE A OVERVIEW ON HOW THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH IS GOING? HOW MANY FINAL CANDIDATES WE'VE INTERVIEWED, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, I THINK NOT AT THIS TIME.

WE HAVE, I, I'LL JUST SAY WE HAVE, UH, I BELIEVE AFTER TODAY WE HAVE TWO, TWO MORE INTERVIEWS.

AND DO YOU, THOSE AREN'T THE FIRST ROUND, LIKE THE FINAL ROUND? WE HAD A FINAL ROUND.

CAN WE SAY THAT FINAL ROUNDS? HAVE WE STARTED THE FINAL ROUND OF INTERVIEWS? I, I'LL JUST SAY WE HAVE, THERE, THERE ARE TWO MORE INTERVIEWS TO GO.

AND THEN ONCE WE INTERVIEW, UH, THESE TWO, THEN IT'S MY HOPE THAT THERE'LL BE A SELECTION THAT'S MADE.

WELL, LET'S HOPE, LET'S HOPE THAT IS, UH, COMES TO FRUITION SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER.

UH, TONY MENTIONED, UH, THOSE INTERVIEWS WILL TAKE PLACE, UH, AT A WORK SESSION ON MONDAY THE 14TH, 7:00 PM 7:00 PM ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

YEP.

AND, AND AS,

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AND BEFORE WE ADJOURN, UH, WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THERE IS NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.

SO TONY, IF YOU WOULD, OKAY.

IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE FOLLOWING THREE REASONS.

UH, NUMBER ONE, TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID.

SECONDLY, FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION.

AND THIRDLY, PREPARING FOR CONDUCTING OR REVIEWING NEGOTIATIONS OR BARGAINING SESSIONS WITH PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CONCERNING THEIR COMPENSATION OR OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE A MOTION? DON? I WILL MOVE ANITA.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

AND MOTION MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION CARRIES SIX TO ZERO.

UH, WE WILL COME BACK OUT AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION'S OVER NOTIFY THE PUBLIC IF ANY DECISION OR ACTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

OLD.

SIR MARK, I'VE KNOWN YOU SINCE YOU WERE A TEENAGER.

IT IS NOW 8 21.

WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE IS NO OFFICIAL ACTION TAKEN.

SO AT 8 21 THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.