Jul 18, 2023 Council Work Session

WHICH IS OUR WORK SESSION TOPICS OF DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.

SEEING NONE, THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE,

[ City Manager Report]

AND WE'LL START WITH ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT.

BRIAN, HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR COUNCIL IN THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT.

UH, FIRST, UH, THE CITY WILL HOLD ITS ANNUAL SHREDDING EVENT THIS SATURDAY, JULY 22ND, FROM 9:00 AM UNTIL 11:00 AM.

UH, THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND PROVIDES FREE DOCUMENT DESTRUCTION.

UH, SHREDDING STATION WILL BE LOCATED AT THOMAS CLOUD PARK, 47 0 4 BRAND PIKE, UH, WITH THE SECOND SHREDDING STATION AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, 6,800 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.

COME ONE.

COME ALL.

UH, FOLLOWING UP ON, UM, THE, UH, NOTED CHALLENGES WITH THE STAR SPANGLED HEIGHTS FIREWORK FINALE, UH, RAZZI FIREWORKS HAS AGREED TO DISCOUNT THE COST OF OUR 2024 SHOW BY 10%, UH, AND RECOGNITION FOR, UM, UH, THE, UH, SITUATION, UH, FROM EARLIER THIS MONTH.

UH, ALSO WANNA LET COUNSEL KNOW THAT, UH, STARTING THE WEEK OF JULY 24TH, THE TRAFFIC INTERCONNECTIVITY PROJECT ON TROY PIKE WILL BE COMPLETE.

UH, THIS WILL SYNC ALL OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS FROM SHOAL ROAD TO CHAMBERSBURG, UH, INCLUDING THE ODOT SIGNALS AT, UH, I 70.

UH, THIS WILL, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, AND MINIMIZE TRAFFIC, UH, CONGESTION.

UH, AND THIS IS A PARTICULAR ITEM WE'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR SOME TIME, AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME IN SEVERAL YEARS, UH, IN WHICH, UH, ALL OF OUR, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS WILL HAVE ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY TO THE ODOT, UH, CONTROLLERS ON 70.

UH, ALSO WANNA LET FOLKS KNOW THAT, UH, THIS FRIDAY, THE 21ST, UH, THE CITY WILL HOST A MOVIE NIGHT AT THE IKE, UH, HOSTED AT THE EICHELBERGER UH, AMPHITHEATER.

THIS EVENT IS FREE AND PART OF OUR 2023 HIGHS SUMMER MOVIE SERIES, UH, THIS WEEK'S MOVIE IS RICKETT RALPH, AND IT'LL START AT DUSK.

UH, THERE WILL BE FAMILY ACTIVITIES PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MOVIE RESIDENCE ARE ENCOURAGED TO BRING BLANKETS AND CHAIRS.

UH, ALSO WANT TO, UH, JUST THROW OUT A REMINDER THAT THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF REBUILDING ITS WEBSITE.

UH, AND WHILE THE NEW FORMAT DISPLAY WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR ANOTHER SEVERAL MONTHS, SMALLER IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE.

UH, OUR SITE CURRENTLY UTILIZES GOOGLE TRANSLATE, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE HOMEPAGE.

AND WE RECENTLY ADDED A PERSONAL ACCESSIBILITY FEATURE.

UH, AND THIS WILL ALLOW, UH, THIS PURPLE CIRCLE, UH, LOCATED IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE WEBSITE, ALLOWS USERS TO ADJUST FONTS, SOUNDS AND VIDEO, UH, TO THEIR COMFORT LEVELS.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SITE ENHANCEMENTS PLANNED, UH, IN THE COMING WEEKS.

UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SPEAKING OF THE WEBSITE, UH, THE CITY'S ZONING DIVISION HAS ADDED, UH, ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION TO THEIR, UH, DIVISION'S WEBPAGE.

UH, THIS FEATURES, UH, CURRENTLY A STATIC MONTHLY REPORT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY AND COMPLAINT STATUS.

UH, BY POSTING THIS INFORMATION, IT'S THE INTENT TO PROVIDE RESIDENCE AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTY MIGHT BE, OR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY MIGHT BE IN THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.

UH, STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH IWORK, UH, THE VENDOR THAT, UH, PROVIDES US OUR ENFORCEMENT SOFTWARE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THE SAME INFORMATION IN REAL TIME IN A SEARCHABLE FORMAT ON THE WEBSITE.

SO WE'LL HAVE, UH, SOME UPDATED INFORMATION ON THAT.

UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS PART OF MY REPORT THIS EVENING.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

THANKS, BRIAN.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? I NEED IT.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN ONGOING, ARE WE ANY CLOSER TO GETTING THE, UM, ACCESSIBILITY KNOB BUTTON PUT ONTO THE WATER DEPARTMENT? UH, YES.

SO WE DID GET A QUOTE FROM THE TENANT.

UH, WE DID DISCUSS, UM, UH, VEOLIA AND THE CITY DISCUSSED MAKING SURE THAT THAT WAS, UH, WAS TAKEN CARE OF.

AND, UH, OUR FOLKS, UH, OUR FRIENDS AT VIOLA HAVE, UH, AUTHORIZED THE, UH, THE DEVICE TO BE PUT ON.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, HAVING IT DELIVERED AND THEN INSTALLED BY THE LANDLORD.

[ Property Maintenance Review Board Update]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD UPDATE, TONY.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST FOR THIS PARTICULAR BOARD IN OUR ONGOING SERIES OF, UH, UPDATES FROM CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, MR. RICHARD WINKLER HERE, WHO'S THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE PMM RV.

UM, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, UH, THE BOARD PRESENT ALSO, BUT I'LL LET MR. WINKLER INTRODUCE THEM AND DO HIS SPIEL.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I AM THE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, AND I ACTUALLY CHAIR THE BOARD AS WELL.

UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UH, MY NAME IS RICHARD WINKLER.

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UH, I STARTED ON THE BOARD IN, UH, 2009, AND I'VE BEEN THE CHAIR 12 OF THOSE 14 YEARS.

UH, I FEEL REALLY PRIVILEGED AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

IT WAS, UH, SOMETHING I KIND OF WANTED TO DO.

I'VE, I'VE KIND OF GROWN UP HERE.

I'VE BEEN HERE GOING ON 40 YEARS, UH, OFF AND ON.

UM, I REALLY ENJOY BEING PART OF SOMETHING THAT GIVES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT.

LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS.

UH, THE SERVICE OF THE PM R B TO, IN MY OPINION, AND PART OF THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO BE ON THE BOARD IS, UM, WE REMEDIATE, UH, THE, UM, ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION 1313 OF THE CITY CODE, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE FOR THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, AND THE COMPLIANCE OF THE CODE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF THE MEDIATORS FOR THAT.

UM, A MAJORITY OF THE PM R B CASES ARE FOR OVERGROWTH ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE JUNK ABANDONED ON THE PROPERTY AND A DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS.

SO SOME OF THE CASES ACTUALLY INVOLVE SECURING THE SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I FEEL PRETTY PROUD OF AS BEING PART OF THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, IS WHEN CASES ARE BROUGHT TO US FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE, UH, MR. MALLARD, UH, THEY GIVE US REALLY, REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.

AND WE FIND WHERE THERE'S HOUSES THAT HAVE OPEN, OPEN DOORS, OPEN WINDOWS, OPEN SOFFITS, AND IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND SECURE THAT PROPERTY FOR THE CITY.

AND, UM, IT'S REALLY, UH, OVER THE LAST THREE, SEE, OVER THE LAST, UH, THREE YEARS, WE AVERAGE PRO APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 20 CASES A YEAR.

UM, AND, AND THEN AGAIN, THEY ARRANGE ANYWHERE FROM BEING ABANDONED PROPERTIES THAT AREN'T WELL TAKEN CARE OF AND, UH, TO JUST OVERGROWTH ON THE FRONT PORCH OR SOMETHING.

AND, UH, UM, WITH THE DETAILED INFORMATION THAT STAFF PROVIDES IS THE P R B, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS.

UM, I FEEL THAT THIS BOARD HAS HAD A MAJOR IMPACT OVER THE YEARS, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, BUT ALSO ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.

UM, ALL YOU REALLY HAVE TO DO IS DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE, IN MY OPINION.

YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ABANDONED HOMES OR, UH, JUNKED OUT HOMES.

UH, THE CITY, IN MY OPINION, IS REALLY, REALLY WELL MAINTAINED.

AND I FEEL THAT THIS BOARD REALLY HAS A, A PART TO DO WITH THAT.

UH, AND BEING ABLE TO, UM, ENFORCE THE CODES THAT THE CITY HAS PUT BEFORE THE CITY, AND, UM, BEING ABLE TO, UM, HELP OUT THE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T NECESSARILY GET OUT AND FIX THEIR PROPERTY INSTEAD OF DRAGGING THEM INTO COURT AND SUING THEM AND ALL THIS STUFF.

IT REALLY, IT REALLY SEEMS TO ME IT'S MADE A HUGE IMPACT ON, UH, THE CITIZENS OF HUBER ALONE.

UM, AND, AND IT'S DONE NOTHING BUT HELPED THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS TO STAY A BEAUTIFUL CITY, WHICH I'VE GROWN UP IN.

AND I, I LOVE BEING HERE.

I KNOW THE TRAFFIC CAN BE, YOU KNOW, WILD AT TIMES, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY, VERY BEAUTIFUL CITY TO LOOK AT.

UM, IT'S REALLY BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD.

AND, UM, I THANK ALL OF YOU FOR WHOEVER'S REAPPOINTED ME YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

UM, I KNOW WE STARTED OUT PEOPLE HERE APPOINTED CONTACT YOU, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON IT.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO, UM, TONY AND I, WE GO WAY BACK.

YOU KNOW, 14 YEARS IS A LONG TIME.

I'VE NEVER WORKED.

AS A CHAIR, I THINK IS WHAT YOU SAID.

I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT IT MADE ON ME UNTIL I SAT DOWN THIS EVENING AND WAS GOING OVER THIS.

AND I THOUGHT, MAN, I NEED TO LOOK UP WHEN THE LAST TIME, WHEN I FIRST STARTED, IT WAS 2009.

AND, UM, I REALLY ENJOY BEING HERE, AND I REALLY ENJOY BEING A PART OF THE CITY.

AND I WANT TO THANK, UM, WE HAVE, UH, JOHN ROBERTS AND LEONA GRAY, WHO ARE TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

UH, JOHN'S BEEN WITH US FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS, I BELIEVE.

AND, UM, OF COURSE I'M THE LONG HOLDOUT .

BUT, UM, AND I JUST REALLY ENJOY THE BOARD, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY MADE A BIG IMPACT ON THE CITY.

WE REALLY GET GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND, AND MR. MILLARD AND THE, AND THE CITY REALLY PROVIDES US A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND IT'S REALLY NOT HARD TO MAKE A DECISION.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL FIELD ANY QUESTIONS.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE REALLY SPOKEN IN FRONT OF A GROUP, AND I WOULD SAY A MINUTE OR TWO.

UH, BUT, UM, I, I, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE.

SO RICHARD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO START BY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I MEAN, OKAY.

YOU KNOW, UH, 14 YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE BOARD AND 12

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SO, UH, 14 YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO VOLUNTEER FOR ANY ORGANIZATION, AND I, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE.

SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY EXTEND A THANKS TO YOU AND THEN THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT ARE HERE AS WELL.

BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.

UH, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY.

WE KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, SOME PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IN THOSE CASES, SOME OF THEM ARE DIFFICULT.

PEOPLE AREN'T ALWAYS HAPPY WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GET NOTICES.

SO IT'S CERTAINLY, UH, THEY'RE PROBABLY EASIER THINGS TO DO TO VOLUNTEER, UH, THAN THAT PARTICULAR BOARD.

BUT WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT VOLUNTEERS.

UH, AND, AND HELPING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY CODE CODE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH INFORMATION, SO MUCH STUFF WE CAN DO, BUT RIGHT.

UH, THAT BOARD CERTAINLY HELPS.

IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME THAT YOU'VE SPENT ON THAT BOARD AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO HEBREW HIGHS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CLINT? THANK YOU.

RICHARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND YOU AND YOUR BOARD.

UM, WITHOUT OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE, A LOT OF THINGS WILL FALL APART AROUND HERE.

YOU GUYS DO A WHOLE LOT FOR A WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING.

SO GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.

AND THAT WOULD BE JUST FROM A BOARD MEMBER STANDPOINT.

UH, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY WAY OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR GUYS' JOB BETTER OR EASIER THAT WE COULD DO FOR YOU? I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING.

I MEAN, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE, THE STAFF BRINGS TO US IS REALLY DETAILED.

UM, IT DOESN'T LEAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

AND EVEN WHEN WE'VE HAD TO FACE SOME, UM, NOT SO PLEASANT HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK THROUGH IT.

IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT HARD.

IT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT REALLY A HARD BOARD CHAIR.

UH, TO ME IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE BECAUSE OF ALL THE DIFFERENCES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH PEOPLE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST MY GREAT, GREAT PERSONALITY AND THE REST OF THE BOARD'S PERSONALITY, BUT WE, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH IT OVER THE YEARS AND NOTHING, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD DO TO IMPROVE OR, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY TO IMPROVE AS WELL.

I MEAN, EXCELLENT.

UM, MOST OF THE TIME, I, I CAN THINK OF ONE INSTANCE WHEN I FIRST STARTED, UM, SECURING THE SAFETY OF THE PROPERTY WAS ONE THING THAT WAS ON MY MIND.

AND THEN THAT WAS DEALT WITH RIGHT AWAY WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP AS A SUGGESTION TO LIKE BOARD UP WINDOWS AND STUFF TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE FACILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A INGROUND POOL OR WHATEVER, AND JUST TO MAKE THE PROPERTY SAFE FOR ANY, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND THAT'S BEEN 10 YEARS AGO THAT THAT HAPPENED.

AND SO I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING.

I KNOW IT'S A LONG-WINDED NO ANSWER, BUT .

WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY BEEN A PLEASURE.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN.

YOU EVERYONE.

ANYONE ELSE, DON? THANK YOU.

UH, AGAIN, OUR THANKS.

UH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

SERVED ON A COMMITTEE OR TWO MYSELF HERE.

SO, UH, NOT 14 YEARS AS, UH, I, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU JUST TO KIND OF, UH, GIVE US A, A FEEL FOR IT.

IF YOU COULD TELL US, UM, GIVE US A SUCCESS STORY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT THE PROPERTY OR THE ADDRESS OR ANYTHING, BUT TELL US SOMETHING.

UM, UH, THAT WENT REALLY WELL THROUGH, UH, THE REVIEW BOARD.

UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT CASES, BUT I CAN REMEMBER WE'VE HAD TWO OR THREE CASES WHERE THE HOMEOWNER HAS FALLEN ILL AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.

AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME HERE TO THE MEETING AND ASKED FOR EXTENSIONS.

AND SO WE'VE GRANTED THEM EXTENSIONS, BUT THEN WE HAVE HAD THOSE THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US A COUPLE OF TIMES FOR EXTENSIONS, AND STILL NOTHING HAPPENS.

AND THEN IT'S ESCALATED AND, BUT THOSE CASES ARE VERY RARE.

SO IF I WERE TO PICK OUT ANY OF THE CASES, I WOULD SAY IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SENIORS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE TAKEN ILL, UH, BECAUSE OF HEALTH OR WHATEVER REASON, AND THEY CAN'T MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.

AND IT, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE OUR BEST.

UH, WE TAKE OUR BEST STEP FORWARD AS WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTENSION FOR 30 DAYS.

AND THEN WE'VE EVEN, UH, VOLUNTEERED PEOPLE TO HELP GO OUT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY CHURCH GROUPS THAT GO OUT AND HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP IN THESE SITUATIONS.

SO I KNOW THAT OVER THE LAST 14 YEARS, I CAN, I CAN THINK OF AT LEAST A DOZEN TIMES THAT'S HAPPENED.

AND TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S THE EPITOME OF WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABOUT.

YEAH, I, I THINK, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK ALL OF US IN THE CITY AND STAFF AND, AND THE BOARD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD PREFER THAT EVERYONE BE COMPLIANT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A PUNISHMENT DRIVEN SYSTEM,

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IT'S A COMPLIANCE DRIVEN SYSTEM.

BUT BE, BUT WE WANT YOU TO BE COMPLIANT.

BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS AND CHURCH GROUPS AND THINGS THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP BRING PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE MM-HMM.

BEFORE ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, THE PUNISHMENT SYSTEM KICKS IN.

I, I THINK THAT SPEAKS A LOT TO WHAT OUR GOAL IS YES.

AND WHAT THE BOARD DOES.

SO, UM, SO AGAIN, WE WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, TONY, YOU HAD A POINT YOU WANTED TO MAKE, CORRECT? YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT DON LAR AND JERRY HOSKINS, THEY'RE THE STAFF LIAISONS FOR THIS BOARD, AND THEY'RE HERE THIS EVENING.

BUT I ALSO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF RICHARD OR DON WANNA SPEAK TO THIS.

I, I THINK FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, WE SHOULD BRING UP THE ISSUE OF, UH, HOW THE ASSESSMENTS ARE HANDLED WHEN THESE, THESE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO PAY FOR THE COST OF, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING COMPLIANT WITH THE, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES.

UH, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR, UH, MR. ARD TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS? I THINK THIS IS IN THE BEST POSITION TO DO THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF, COMING UP HERE, OR IS YOUR, THANK YOU AGAIN.

DO YOU WANT ME TO STAY UP HERE UNTIL, HOLD ME UP.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

COUNSEL.

BRIEFLY, UM, OUR PROCESS IS FAIRLY STREAMLINED.

WE HAVE A SERIES OF LETTERS THAT WE SEND TO ANYONE WHO'S IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE DUE PROCESS.

GIVES THEM A, IS AMPLE TIME.

UH, AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD OF TIME, ONE OF TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN.

EITHER THEY'LL COMPLY AND WE WILL CLOSE THE VIOLATION, OR THEY CONTINUE TO BE NON-COMPLIANT.

IN THE CASE OF ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE 1313 SECTION OF CODE, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WE GO TO THE BOARD WITH THE CASE AND WE PRESENT THE CASE TO THEM.

WE GIVE THEM AS MANY FACTS AS WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS, TIMELINES, ET CETERA.

IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO DECLARE THE PROPERTY A NUISANCE, OR THERE ARE TWO QUALIFIERS, DECLARE IT A NUISANCE AND ORDER ME TO HAVE IT ABATED.

WE ABATE PROPERTIES BASED ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT WE AWARD A CONTRACTOR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

WE'LL DO THE ABATEMENT, HE WILL INVOICE ME.

WE, IN TURN, I DO AN ASSESSMENT WORKSHEET OF THE FEES AND ASSOCIATED ADMINISTRATIVE FEES THAT'S SENT TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

THEY INVOICE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND HOPEFULLY THE PROPERTY OWNER PAYS IT.

IF NOT, THERE ARE ASSESSMENT PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO ASSESS IT TO PROPERTY TAXES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WELCOME.

MY PLEASURE.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I DO.

MAYOR.

MARK RICHARD? YES, SIR.

WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S NEGATIVE IN THE WORLD TODAY, YOUR PRESENTATION IS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

YOU'VE PROBABLY TAKEN ONE OF THE TOUGHEST JOBS IN THE CITY AND HAS TURNED IT INTO A POSITIVE.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK, THANK YOU.

THANK, THANK YOU EVERYONE.

AND, AND THANKS TO, UH, DON AND JERRY.

C, WHICH IS THE PURCHASE OF THE SNOWPLOW DUMP TRUCKS THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION.

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM THREE

[ Purchase Of Snowplow Dump Trucks - Public Works Division]

AND THAT WOULD BE MR. MIKE GRAY THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

DIFFERENCE OF COUNSEL.

UM, BASICALLY THIS IS AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF TWO NEW, UM, CLASS SEVEN SNOW PLOW DUMP TRUCKS.

UM, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, I THINK BACK IN 2022, UH, WE HAD SIMILAR LEGISLATION.

THIS MIRRORS THAT.

HOWEVER, THIS IS, UM, WE STILL, THE WAY THE MARKET IS RUNNING RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS GETTING TRUCKS ORDERED, WE RECEIVED THE CHASSIS TO THOSE LAST FEBRUARY.

THEY'VE NOT BEEN OUTFITTED YET.

WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THEM.

WE'RE TOLD THEY'LL BE HERE AND OUTFITTED AND READY BY THIS NOVEMBER.

SO BASICALLY THE PURCHASING PROCESS IS QUITE LONGER THAN IT EVER HAS BEEN IN THE PAST DUE TO HOW THE MARKETS ARE, ARE KIND OF EXPERIENCING WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING WITH LARGER TRUCKS AND ANY TYPE OF WORK TRUCK VEHICLES.

SO, THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS KIND OF ME TRYING TO JUST GET AHEAD OF THE, THE GAME, THE ORDERING PROCESS FOR FUTURE.

UM, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN THESE THAT YOUR PRICE WILL SEE ON THE, UM, ON THE LEGISLATION HERE, IT'S KIND OF LEFT BLANK, SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS LAST TIME.

CAUSE I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT THE MARKET'S GONNA DO AS FAR AS WHEN THE STATE PRICING COMES OUT THIS COMING OCTOBER.

UM, AND THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IN THESE TOO, YOU MIGHT SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF EXPENSE IN THESE BECAUSE, UH, DUE TO THE, THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE WIDER ROADS WE'RE NOW MAINTAINING, UM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER TYPE OF SNOW CLOUD THAT'S MORE EQUIPPED TO HANDLE SOME OF THE LARGER STREETS.

SO YOU START CONCENTRATING MORE ON SOME OF THE INTER, INTER PLATTED AREAS.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE CONCERNING THIS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? YES.

NOT, HEY, MIKE.

WHAT'S

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CLASS SEVEN MEAN? TRUCKS ARE CLASSIFIED IN WEIGHT CLASS SEVEN.

YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU DRIVE A CLASS ONE TRUCK AND IT GOES UP FROM THERE.

BIGGER.

THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER THE TRUCK IS BIGGER THAN CLASS.

AND ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY, THANK

[ Increase Not To Exceed Amount - Zashin & Rich - Labor Counsel]

YOU.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE D, WHICH IS AN INCREASE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT FOR POSSESSION, ENRICH FOR LABOR COUNSEL, BRIAN.

UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

UH, AS NOTED IN THE LEGISLATION OR EXCUSE NOTED IN THE PACKET INFORMATION, UH, WE CURRENTLY UTILIZE ASH AND ENRICH MR. DOWNS, UH, AS OUR LABOR COUNCIL.

UH, THIS WAS A YEAR IN WHICH, UM, HIS SERVICES WERE UTILIZED BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTRACT YEAR FOR, UH, ALL OF OUR UNITS.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK COUNCIL ENTERTAIN LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO INCREASE THE SPENDING LIMIT, UH, FOR ASHTON AND RICH SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE OUR NEGOTIATION PROCESS, UH, AND, UH, GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR OUR REQUEST, AND AGAIN, WE'D ASK THAT YOU ENTERTAIN THIS LEGISLATION ON MONDAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? ED? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE FOR BINDING ARBITRATION FOR THE FOP FRONTLINE OFFICERS.

UH, WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION.

UM, I'VE ASKED THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING ABOUT, UH, BARGAINING, UH, BARGAINING MATTERS.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA ANSWER WHETHER THAT'S PART OF THAT OR NOT.

SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THOSE WOULD BE ISSUES THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS AS PART OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ALRIGHT.

AND THE FACT FINDER REPORT CAME BACK AND WE WERE SENT THAT, UH, COUNSEL AFTER OUR PREVIOUS VOTE ON THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO IT'S PUBLIC, THE FACT FINDER'S REPORTERS? YES.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND WHAT WAS THE AND THE FACT FINDER IS AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY THAT LISTENED TO THE CITY'S POSITION, LISTENED TO THE FOP POSITION, AND MADE A DECISION.

UH, THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE WOULD BE A FAIR AWARD BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

AND, AND WHAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE? UH, IN RELATIVE TO THE, UM, MATTER WITH THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE PATROL UNIT, IT WAS, UH, 2 75, UH, 2.75% WAGE INCREASE EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE.

UH, THERE WAS A $1 AN HOUR WAGE ADJUSTMENT EFFECTIVE FOR THE FIRST PAY PERIOD FOLLOWING JULY 1ST, 2023.

THEN THERE WAS A 2.75% WAGE INCREASE FOR YEAR TWO OF THE CONTRACT, WHICH WOULD BE 2024 AND A 2.75% WAGE INCREASE FOR YEAR 2025, WHICH IS THE THIRD YEAR OF THE CONTRACT.

BUT WITH THE NUMBERS AND THE MEMORY, UM, THE 2.75 PLUS THE $1 WAGE ADJUSTMENT, WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE DOES THAT COME OUT TO? UM, TOTAL 2 75 PLUS THE DOLLAR WAGE ADJUSTMENT.

THE, UM, THE $1 WOULD REPRESENT AN ADDITIONAL 2.55% ON THE WAGE PAID FOR DECEMBER 31ST, 2022.

UM, BRINGING IN SIMPLE MATH, A COLLECTIVE RATE INCREASE TO 5.3%, I BELIEVE, RECOGNIZING THAT THE $1 A WAGE ADJUSTMENT IS RELATIVE ONLY TO THE LAST 1040 HOURS THAT AN EMPLOYEE WOULD WORK IN BARGAINING YEAR 2023.

SO, UM, THE, THE COMPOUNDED EQUATION IS SOMETHING SMALLER THAN THE FIVE THREE, BUT IN SIMPLE MATH IT'S FIVE THREE.

FIVE THREE.

AND, UH, COUNSEL VOTED TO TURN DOWN THE, UM, FACT FINDER REPORT SENDING US TO, UH, BINDING ARBITRATION, THEN? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TALK ABOUT OTHER DETAILS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, BRIAN.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY? OKAY, SAYING NONE.

NOPE.

YES, ED? YEAH, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS.

I VOTED FOR THE FOP AND THE CONTRACT BEFORE AND WAS OUTVOTED, SO JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A SURPRISE, BUT THERE'S NO WAY I'M VOTING FOR THIS.

THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT AUTHORIZATION FOR DELINQUENT AND UTILITY NUISANCE.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL SEE THIS ON MONDAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E,

[ County Assessments Authorization - Delinquent Utility/Nuisance]

JIM, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, UH, INTERESTING THAT, UH, WE HAD A LEAD IN TONIGHT WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, BECAUSE I'M BRINGING TO YOU, UM, ASSESSMENTS, ALTHOUGH TONIGHT'S ASSESSMENTS.

UM, AND, AND I, AND I USUALLY BRING THESE TO YOU ABOUT THREE TIMES A YEAR.

UM, SO, UM, WHAT I'M BRINGING TO YOU TONIGHT IS JUST DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER, AND UTILITY BILLS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY VEOLIA.

SO, UH, THOSE HAVE REMAINED UNPAID.

SO WE'RE GOING, I'M BRINGING THEM TO COUNSEL TO APPROVE PUTTING THEM ON THE ASSESSMENTS, UH, FOR 2024.

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SO, UM, UH, THEY WOULD, UH, UH, GO UNPAID UNTIL THAT POINT IN TIME.

AND WE'RE CURRENTLY, UM, SENDING, UM, LETTERS OUT, UH, TO THE PUBLIC FOR, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH, ISSUES THAT HAVE BECOME, UH, TO THE POINT OF ASSESSMENTS.

AND SO I'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST WITH, UM, OTHER ASSESSMENTS, UH, FOR GRASS, FOR WEEDS FOR, UM, UM, NUISANCE ABATEMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK ASSESSMENTS AND THE, UH, LIGHTING ASSESSMENTS.

UH, THOSE ALL, UH, IT'S VERY LARGE, UH, ITEM FOR YOUR AGENDA.

UM, WELL, IT'S ONE ITEM, BUT IT'S JUST A LARGE NUMBER OF ASSESSMENTS THAT COME BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST.

UH, THAT'S, UH, TYPICALLY, UH, DONE THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.

UH, SO WE GIVE THE NEXT, UH, ABOUT TWO TO THREE WEEKS FOR, UH, RESIDENTS TO PAY THOSE, UH, IF THEY WANT TO AVOID PUTTING THEM ON ASSESSMENTS.

BUT FOR TONIGHT, FOR, UH, WHAT I'M, UH, RECOMMENDING FOR MONDAY IS JUST, UM, A DELINQUENT WATER, SEWER, AND STORMWATER.

AND AS I WAS REVIEWING THIS BEFORE COMING TONIGHT, UM, IT, IT IS AN EMERGENCY LEGISLATION, WHICH ALSO IN AUGUST, UH, REQUIRES, UH, EMERGENCY LEGISLATION.

BUT IF YOU WANNA HAVE TWO READINGS ON THIS, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

UM, UH, THE ONE IN THAT I BRING TO YOU IN AUGUST WILL, UM, NEED THE TWO READINGS ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE THE, UH, DEADLINE FOR THE COUNTY IS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE A SECOND READING, BUT, UM, I'M BRINGING IT TO YOU LATE IN AUGUST, SO THAT GIVES THE PUBLIC MORE TIME TO, UM, MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS.

UM, I, I THINK THAT WAS, UH, UM, NICER THING TO DO THAN TO BRING IT TO YOU AT THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.

UH, AND, AND THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE THE FULL NUMBER OF PAYMENTS, UH, IF WE DID BRING IT TO YOU AT THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.

SO I'LL BE COMING BACK, UH, FOR SECONDARY LEGISLATION, UH, SAME ASSESSMENTS, BUT, UH, THE CATEGORY TONIGHT IS JUST WATER, SEWER, STORM WATER, TRYING TO GET SOME OF THESE DONE IN JULY, SO THAT WAY THERE'S LESS, UH, TO PUT IN A PACKET IN AUGUST.

THANKS, JIM.

ANY QUESTIONS, RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JIM, I SEE, UH, I SEE AMOUNTS TOTAL IN THIS EXHIBIT A, UH, ABOUT THE SAME PRICE AS A, UH, POSTAGE STAMP.

UM, AND I SEE AMOUNTS ON HERE TOTALING SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS.

UM, IS THERE A THRESHOLD AMOUNT THAT, UH, GETS REVIEWED BY THE WATER AND SEWER BOARD? UH, THAT WE ESSENTIALLY JUST DON'T COLLECT FOR? I MEAN, WHEN I SEE AMOUNTS TOTALLING, YOU KNOW, 30 CENTS, 40 CENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I QUESTION, YOU KNOW, A HOW THAT AMOUNT GOT THERE AND, AND WHY IT'S GOTTEN THIS FAR TO US WITHOUT BEING COLLECTED.

UM, AND, UH, AND ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF US TO ASSESS 40 SOMETHING CENTS ONTO SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY, TAXES HAS TO EXCEED THAT.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WELL, UM, YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WHEN IT PERTAINED TO, UH, WATER AND SEWER BOARD, I AM NOT SURE WHETHER THAT GOES TO THE WATER AND SEWER BOARD.

I DON'T KNOW IF RUSS HAS SEEN THAT HAPPEN, BUT, UM, WE'RE GIVEN THESE, UM, DOLLAR AMOUNTS AS DELINQUENT ACCOUNTS FROM, UH, PAM WHITE AT, UM, OKAY.

AT VEOLIA.

SO SHE'S THE ONE THAT PRESENTS THESE, AND YOU MIGHT BE SEEING A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT IN ONE CATEGORY, BUT REMEMBER THERE'S, THERE'S THREE CATEGORIES HERE.

SO YOU WOULD ADD UP ALL THREE.

STILL SAYING IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A, A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT IN SOME CASES.

BUT, UM, I THINK THAT QUESTION'S BEEN ASKED BY COUNSEL IN PREVIOUS YEARS THAT I BROUGHT THIS, UH, UP.

BUT, UM, UM, GO BY THE ADDRESS, UH, THAT'S BEING ASSESSED.

SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A, MAYBE A SMALLER STORMWATER PORTION, BUT THE WATER AND SEWER PORTION WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH TO CERTAINLY MAKE IT WORTHWHILE TO GO AFTER THE ASSESSMENT.

UH, THE NEXT QUESTION, AS FAR OUR CLERK OF COUNSEL, IF IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS A PREVIOUS COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE WATER AND SEWER BOARD, THEY DO HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO WAIVE AND OR WRITE OFF CERTAIN AMOUNTS, UH, UNDER THAT BOARD AND COMMISSION.

UM, BUT IF IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IT HAS TO BE A, UM, A WRITTEN REQUEST BY THE HOMEOWNER, UM, UH, TO MAKE THAT PROCESS.

AM I CORRECT ON THAT, TONY? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND USUALLY THOSE TYPES OF WRITEOFFS ARE THINGS LIKE, UH, THEY HAD A LEAKY WATER LEAK, TOLL HEAD AND MM-HMM.

, OR THEY HAD A POOL THAT THEY HAD TO FILL UP THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE BILLING AND NOT PROPERLY BILLED.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A BLANKET POLICY THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, ANY ASSESSMENTS OR PAST DUE AMOUNTS UNDER THAT AMOUNT, UH, WOULD NOT BE ENFORCED OR COLLECTED, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A POLICY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED BY COUNCIL.

UH, MAYOR, THAT IS SOMETHING I, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO REVIEW.

UM, AND I, AND I DO BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE, THESE DO NEED TO BE, UH, REVIEWED BY THE WATER AND SEWER ADVISORY BOARD, UM, AS IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A BOARD AND COMMISSION THAT DO REVIEW THESE TYPES OF ITEMS. UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN EMPOWER THEM TO, UH, REVIEW, UH, THESE IN THE FUTURE.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THESE ON TO MONDAY? SO WE'LL DO THIS AS TWO READINGS AS, AS JIM SAID.

[ Natural Gas Aggregation]

UP IS ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS THE NATURAL GAS AGGREGATION.

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RUSS? UH, YES.

TONIGHT, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

GOOD NIGHT.

TONIGHT, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS NATURAL GAS AGGREGATION.

UH, RECENTLY THE CITY WENT THROUGH AN ELECTION TO FIND OUT IF THE RESIDENTS OF HUBER HEIGHTS WERE INTERESTED IN STARTING A NATURAL GAS AGGREGATION PROGRAM.

AND THE BALLOT ITEM PASSED BY JUST OVER 60%.

UH, SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF STARTING OUR OWN PROGRAM, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY HAS ARISEN FOR THE CITY TO JOIN A GAS AGGREGATION PROGRAM THAT WAS RECENTLY STARTED BY THE MIAMI VALLEY COMMUNICATIONS COUNCIL, UH, WHICH THEY'RE KNOWN AS M V C C, AND THEY APPROACHED US TO JOIN.

UH, BUT THEY'RE ON A QUICK TIMELINE TO START THE PROGRAM, UH, TONIGHT, UH, AMY HOFFMAN IS HERE FROM THE PALMER ENERGY COMPANY, AND THAT'S THE ENERGY CONSULTANT THAT IS HANDLING THE PROGRAM FOR M V C C.

AND SHE'S HERE TONIGHT WITH KIRK ZURICH, I THINK, TO DISCUSS THE PROGRAM ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TO SEE IF THE CITY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JOINING.

UM, IF INTERESTED, WE HAVE INCLUDED IN A RESOLUTION TO JOIN THE PROGRAM AND TO APPROVE A PLAN OF OPERATION AND GOVERNANCE.

UH, SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE AMY AND KIRK AND TO HEAR, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

COUNSEL KIRK, MISS ERIC WITH PALMER ENERGY COMPANY.

UM, I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY ON HOW WE'RE EVEN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE TO HOW WE GOT CER HEIGHTS AND, AND THAT SORT OF INFORMATION.

UH, WE STARTED ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ASSOCIATION THROUGHOUT OHIO.

WE DO 77 COUNTIES RIGHT NOW, ALL THEIR ENERGY, A LOT OF THE GOVERNMENT AGGREGATIONS, UH, THROUGH A LOT OF THOSE COUNTIES.

IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE O OHIO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE HAS PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS O OHIO OF OHIO TO ALSO DO A PROGRAM.

AND THAT'S WHERE ORIGINALLY JAY, WITH M V C TALKED TO THE OML, TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, HEY, WHO ARE YOU USING? WHAT'S GOING ON? WE ARE INTERVIEWED WITH A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AT THAT POINT, AND THE N B C C CHOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GOVERNMENT AGGREGATION PROGRAMS, UH, THROUGH THE OML AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ASSOCIATION TO ACTUALLY BID OUT AND RFP OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT.

ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT PALMER WAS CHOSEN FOR THIS IS WE HAVE A VERY STRONG BELIEF IN, OBVIOUSLY, CONSTITUENTS, UH, CITIES, COUNTIES, BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY IN PULLING RESOURCES TOGETHER.

WHILE YOU CAN STAND ON YOUR OWN IN CERTAIN CASES, THE REALITY IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER WITH A LARGER GROUP, IN THE CASE OF NVCC, UH, THE ELECTRIC AG WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 15 CITIES.

THE GAS AG IS AROUND 12 CITIES.

YOU'RE A, A MUCH LARGER GROUP PARTICIPATING WITH ALL THOSE OTHER, UH, CITIES TO GET BETTER RATES FOR YOUR, UH, CONSTITUENTS OUT THERE.

AND, AND WITH THOSE RATES, YOU CAN GET BETTER, UM, ACCESS TO BETTER AGREEMENTS IN THE BACKGROUND.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THEY PICKED US.

WE'RE ALSO INDEPENDENT, UH, I OWN THE COMPANY WITH MARK FREY, SO WE ARE NOT UPHOLDING TO ANY OTHER SUPPLIERS, ANY UTILITIES.

SO WHEN WE GIVE YOU INFORMATION WHETHER GOOD OR BAD, WE'RE GIVING YOU OUR FEELINGS, NOT WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS TELLING US TO TELL YOU AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT.

UM, AMY HOFFMAN'S HERE TO TALK MORE DIRECTLY ABOUT THE CC PROGRAM, AND THEN WE'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO GO FROM THERE.

BEEN PARTICIPATING IN, THE SUPPLIER WILL SHOW UP ON THE UTILITY BILL, BUT YOU STILL CALL THE UTILITY FOR ANY ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP.

GOOD EVENING.

EVENING.

SO WE HAVE ALREADY SENT OUT THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE REALLY WANTED THIS TO START WITH THE GAS SEASON AND HAVE THE COMMUNITIES, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.

SO THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL IS OUT, IT COMES BACK AT THE END OF JULY, AND WHEN IT COMES BACK, WE WILL, UM, REPORT ON ALL OF THE FINDINGS, THE DIFFERENT SUPPLIERS, THE TERMS, THE PRICING, AND GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

BUT THE M V C C AND COMMITTEE WILL MAKE THAT DECISION, AND THIS WILL BE FOR ALL PARTICIPATING CITIES AND JUST LIKE ELECTRIC AGGREGATION, IT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL BUSINESS.

AND LIKE AGGREGATION FOR ELECTRIC, IT REALLY RUNS THE SAME WAY.

ONCE THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED, THE OPT OUT LETTERS WILL GO OUT TO ALL THOSE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, MEANING ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE DIRECTLY WITH THE UTILITY, AND THEY'LL HAVE 21 DAYS TO OPT OUT IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

ONCE THAT 21 DAYS IS, IS OVER, THE LIST IS SCRUBBED AGAIN, AND THEN THE UTILITY WILL SEND OUT A POSTCARD OR LETTER STATING YOUR SUPPLIER'S CHANGING, DO NOTHING IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE.

AND THEN THE PROGRAM WILL GO INTO EFFECT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A TIMELINE OF A NOVEMBER METER READ, MEANING BE ON THE ON CENTER POINTS, UM, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER BILL, SO DECEMBER READING.

AND AGAIN, LIKE AG ELECTRIC AGGREGATION THAT YOU HAVE

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YOU, THERE ARE NO EARLY TERMINATION FEES, SO A RESIDENT OR SMALL BUSINESS CAN LEAVE AT ANY TIME, AND YOU CAN ALSO OPT IN AT ANY TIME, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THE CITY HAS INFORMATION TO PUT ON YOUR WEBSITE AS FAR AS HOW A, A RESIDENT CAN OPT IN.

DID I FORGET ANYTHING? NO.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? WELL, THANK YOU.

I MEAN, JUST MORE OF A STATEMENT.

I THINK ALL OF US UP HERE, WHEN WE DECIDED TO, UM, CONTINUE OUR ENERGY AGGREGATION THE LAST TIME, WHICH KIND OF THEN FED INTO THE IDEA OF, UM, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US KNEW WHAT KIND OF, WHAT GAS RATES WERE HAPPENING.

I MEAN, LOTS OF, UH, DIFFERENT POLITICAL THINGS HAPPENING OVERSEAS AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NATURAL GAS MARKER JUST SEEMED REALLY UNSTABLE.

SO ALL THAT KIND OF LED TO THE IDEA OF THEN POSSIBLE GAS AGGREGATION AS WELL.

SO COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT WENT TO THE BALLOT, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMING MAJORITY SUPPORTED HAVING THAT DONE.

SO I I, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF EVERYBODY, WE JUST WOULDN'T HAVE THE BEST GAS PRICES WE CAN GET.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO IF THAT MEANS POOLING WITH A, A, A LARGER GROUP, I MEAN, I THINK MOST OF OUR CONCERNS WE HAVE, YOU CAN OPT IN, YOU CAN OPT OUT, THERE'S NO CANCELLATION FEES.

IT SEEMS JUST AS EASY AS WHAT, WHAT THE PROGRAM ON THE, ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE HAS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY.

UM, SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST BE A MATTER OF WHAT, HOW COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT JOINING A LARGER ORGANIZATION OR JUST DOING SOMETHING ON OUR OWN.

BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S CHEAPER PRICES IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND FOR THE RESIDENTS.

IT TRULY IS BULK PURCHASING THE MORE, UM, ENTITIES INVOLVED, THEY'RE ALL LIKE-MINDED USERS.

JUST LIKE ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE, IT MAKES SENSE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET HAS BEEN VOLATILE IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS, AND SO THIS IS AN OPTION.

AND THEN IT ALSO PROTECTS FROM THE VOLATILITY.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING TO, UH, TO DIRECT EXACTLY, YES, NANCY? UM, DO YOU OFFER LIKE RENEWABLE ENERGY? DO YOU WANNA, UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S NOT QUITE AS EASY AS ELECTRICITY.

UH, THE ELECTRIC PROGRAM DOES HAVE AN OPTION FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY GAS.

YOU REALLY, THERE'S VERY FEW INSTANCES WHERE YOU HAVE ACTUAL RENEWABLE GAS FLOWING THROUGH PIPELINES.

MOST OF THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WASTE FROM A, A LANDFILL TYPE GAS THAT THEY'RE TAKING TO A GENERATOR.

BUT IN THE, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SET FOR THAT, BUT ELECTRICITY WISE WE DO ACTUALLY WITH THE NCC.

SO WHAT WOULD BE, I GUESS I'M A, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE'S BENEFITS IN, IN THE BIGGER THE AGGREGATE NUMBER OF, UH, CITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED.

BUT ANYONE THAT COMES TO US, UH, WITH A, WITH A PROPOSAL WOULD NOT BE STANDING ALONE.

THEY WOULD BE COUPLED, LIKE OUR, OUR CURRENT ELECTRIC IS, HAS MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES MM-HMM.

THAT WE ARE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PART OF, UM, I GUESS I, NOT KNOWING WHAT YOUR PROPOSED RANGE OF RATE WOULD BE VERSUS WHAT'S ANOTHER AGGREGATE COMPANY WOULD BE, BE I, I, I GUESS I'M FEELING A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT SAYING, YES, LET'S GO WITH YOU BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO COMPARE IT WITH.

WELL, COUNCILMAN, ONE THING THAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE ARE NOT A SUPPLIER OF NATURAL GAS.

DECISIONS FOR THE RESPECTIVE MUNICIPALITIES ON THESE THINGS.

WE ARE OUT GOING OUT THERE RFP AND THE SUPPLIERS TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE RATES FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE GROUPING OF, BY THE WAY, AND ONE THING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ON THIS IS WHEN AMY TALKS ABOUT GROUPING AND POOLING, AND YES, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART, BUT YOU GOT A GROUPING POOL IN THE RIGHT AREA.

I MEAN, YOU, ALL THE CITIES AND NBC C ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE ALL RIGHT IN AES TERRITORY AND CENTERPOINT, SORRY, PARDON ME, CENTERPOINT.

UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE PUTTING OUT ALL THESE CITIES.

I THINK THERE'S 55 OR 60,000 HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE IN THIS RFP PROCESS.

YOU'RE GONNA GET BETTER RATES BECAUSE OF THAT.

YOU'RE GROUPING WITH LIKE-MINDED ORGANIZATIONS IN YOUR AREA.

THAT'S ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS AS WELL.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY A SUPPLIER.

WE ARE OUT THERE TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PRICING FOR YOU AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT.

AND THE, THE SECOND THING, AND AMY DID TOUCH ON THIS, I'M NOT MAKING THIS DECISION FOR YOU.

YOUR CITY MANAGER WILL BE SITTING ON THAT COMMITTEE DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE BRING ALL THE RESULTS FOR IT, BECAUSE THE NCC HAS SET IT UP TO WHERE EVERY, EVERY PARTICIPATING MUNICIPALITY HAS A REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS ACTIVELY MAKING THOSE

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SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GET ALL THE INFORMATION ON, THESE ARE ALL THE BIDS FROM THE VARIOUS SUPPLIERS.

THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO YOUR AVERAGE CONSTITUENT, AND THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS, TERMS AND ALL THAT OTHER ASSOCIATED STUFF.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT BRIAN WOULD BE THE ONE SITTING ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S BEEN THE, THE CITY MANAGERS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THAT COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT.

BUT THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH WHEN WE DID THE INTER THE ELECTRIC AGGREGATION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT YOU DID BEFORE, BUT WE DID, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT THE SUPPLIER THAT YOU'RE BIDDING.

WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT OUR ELECTRIC ATOR DID.

UM, BUT I JUST, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED IF WE GO DOWN HERE AND THEN WE GET ALL THESE BIDS AND THEN THE PRICE DOESN'T FIT WITH WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST VALUE TO THE CITY, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YOU CHOOSE NOT TO PART PER PARTICIPATE, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH FOR THE ELECTRIC.

WELL, IT IS, BUT I MEAN, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US BASICALLY TO FOREGO THE RFP PROCESS TO, TO, TO GET MULTIPLE, UH, SUPPLIERS IN.

ARE NOT SUPPLIERS, YOU KNOW, AGGREGATED AGGREGATORS IN HERE TO COMPARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER.

WE ARE DOING THAT.

WE WERE SENDING IT OUT TO EIGHT OR SO SUPPLIERS.

WE GET THE PRICING BACK THAT I'M NOT SAYING IT RIGHT.

I'M NOT SAYING IT RIGHT, BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOUR COMP NVCC AND WHO YOU'RE WORKING WITH MM-HMM.

IS JUST ONE CHOICE.

IT'S ONE GROUP THAT WE HAVE AN OPTION TO GO WITH.

THERE WOULD BE OTHER GROUPS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN OPTION TO GO WITH.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT GROUPS YOU ARE WITH.

NOW, ON THE ELECTRIC SIDE, WE'RE WITH, UM, OUR MAIN ONE ENERGY HARBOR.

ENERGY HARBOR, YES.

THAT'S A SUPPLIER.

THEY'RE ONE OF OUR SUPPLIERS THAT'S A SUPPLIER.

WE'VE BEEN WITH ENERGY HARBOR.

SO THE ELECTRIC THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH, ENERGY HARBOR WAS ONE OF THE, I THINK IT'S THE WIND.

THE ENERGY HARBOR WON THE LAST YEAR.

ENERGY HARBOR IS FOR THE MVCC, THEIR ELECTRIC PROGRAM.

WE'RE EVALUATING THE RESULTS FROM THOSE VARIOUS SUPPLIERS FOR YOU.

IN YOUR CASE, THE NBC HAS ALREADY GONE OUT THERE AND THEY'VE DONE THEIR OWN PROCESS TO PICK US FOR THIS AREA.

NOW, THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, AGAIN, IS 15 OR 16 CITIES DID IT WITH ELECTRICITY.

THEY'RE ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE RIGHT IN THIS AREA.

AND THE SAME PRO PROCESS WITH THE NATURAL GAS AGGREGATION WILL BE, YOU'LL BE WITH 10 OR 12 CITIES RIGHT.

IN THIS AREA THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT AS WELL.

SOME OF THE CITIES HAVEN'T PASSED IT YET.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THEY'LL COME ON HERE NEXT COUPLE YEARS.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I DON'T, YES.

SO YOU'RE, I THINK THEY'RE DOING THE RFP PROCESS THAT WE WOULD DO IF WE DIDN'T CONTRACT WITH THE LARGER POPULATION, LARGER PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE.

SO, BUT WHEN WE DID THE, WHEN WE DID THE ENERGY AGGREGATION, WE HAD SEVERAL COMPANIES THAT WOULD CAME IN HERE.

DO YOU REMEMBER, RUSS? WE HAD SEVERAL COMPANIES COME IN HERE, AND THEY PROVIDED A REASON THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH THEM, WHY THEY WERE BETTER THAN THE GUY SITTING NEXT TO 'EM THAT WAS FOR A CONSULTANT TO DO THE PROJECT.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE CONSULTANTS FOR NCC.

THEY'RE JUST A CONSULTANT FOR ALL 15 CITIES OR WHATEVER IT IS, VERSUS US HAVING OUR OWN CONSULTANT.

IF THAT MAKES, I GUESS I, ONE QUESTION, I GUESS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH SUPPLIER PRICES MM-HMM.

, ARE YOU COMING BACK TO US TO GIVE US A CHOICE TO JOIN AT THAT POINT? OR TO NOT JOIN AT THAT POINT? NO.

IS THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.

IF YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THE NCC, THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO TAKE IT.

SO THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT.

WELL, NOT REALLY AGREEING, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT PRICE, EVEN IF THEY DID FELT LIKE IT WASN'T A GREAT PRICE.

I GUESS THAT'S MY, BUT KIRK MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT JUST JAY AT THE M B C THAT'S MAKING THIS DECISION.

IT'LL BE BRIAN AND THE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES.

SO WE, WE DO THE SAME WITH COUNTIES AND, AND OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE STATE, WHEN WE GIVE OUR RESULTS, THEY SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE RECEIVED BACK.

WE GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT IT IS, AND THEN THAT DECISION, WE'RE NOT SIGNING THE CONTRACT, THE N B C C AND THE REPRESENTATIVES ON BEHALF OF ALL THE CITIES PARTICIPATING WILL SIGN THE CONTRACT.

SO IT'S THE SAME PHILOSOPHY THAT WE DO WITH FACILITIES AND OTHER AGGREGATIONS.

BUT IF THE RATE, IF THE RATE THAT YOU COME BACK WITH IS NOT WITHIN THE RANGE THAT WE THINK IF

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YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE PERSON ON YOUR COMMITTEE THAT'S, OR THE, THE PERSON THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA ELECT TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE FOR NCC.

YOU'D HAVE TO TALK TO THAT INDIVIDUAL ABOUT THAT, WHAT YOU THINK IS ACCEPTED.

NO, NO.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE, THE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE IT.

UH, HE MAY BE REPRESENTING US, BUT COUNSEL WILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT.

SO NO, IN THIS CASE, THE COUNCIL WOULDN'T APPROVE THAT RAPE, PER SE, THAT THE COUNCIL COUNSEL, BRIAN, USING YOU, BRIAN, AS A SCAPEGOAT ON THIS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK YOU WENT TO A MEETING OR TWO, DIDN'T YOU? RIGHT.

UM, BRIAN WOULD BE SEEING THE COMMITTEE AND SAYING, YES, I AGREE WITH THIS PROCESS, OR NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PROCESS, AND THESE ARE THE REASON WHY, OR THIS IS WHAT THE PRICE IS.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PRICE.

AND HE WOULD'VE TO STAND UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHY I DON'T AGREE WITH IT.

FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE'D HAVE TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

BUT IF, BUT YOU'RE ASKING 15 COMMUNITIES TO SIGN UP TO THE SAME RATE.

SO IF WE SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT RATE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WE'LL HAVE TO PULL YOU OUT.

THEN WE, WE GET OUT MM-HMM.

I JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE RIGHT.

WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.

ARE WE OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING NO.

BEFORE CONTRACT SIGNED? NOT IN THIS CASE.

NO.

AND, AND THE CONTRACT DOESN'T GET SIGNED.

THAT MOMENT IS TRULY A GIVING THE RECOMMENDATION REVIEW OF CONTRACTS HAVE TO BE DONE AND SO FORTH.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER DATE OF SIGNING, BUT RIGHT.

YOU'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

SO YOU ALL HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO GO IN THIS AGGREGATION ROUTE.

I, I DO WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING THAT AMY TOUCHED ON, BUT YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD DECISION FOR ONE THING.

YOU'RE PUTTING A CAP ON WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE GONNA PAY FOR GAS, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE PRICING OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE CAP IS.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THAT, THEY CAN GO DO THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, FIND THEIR OWN SUPPLIER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

OUR HISTORY HAS BEEN THAT WHEN YOU PUT THESE LARGE GROUPS TOGETHER, THE PRICING IS SO MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE THAN WHAT THEY CAN RECEIVE ON THEIR OWN.

THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

AND IF THEY CHOOSE AT SOME POINT TO SAY, I WANT TO GO OFF IN MY OWN DIRECTION, THEY STILL CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ANY TERMINATION FEES TOWARDS IT.

AND THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR ELECTRIC AGGREGATION.

CORRECT.

UM, AND OUR PRICING HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY COMPETITIVE IN THESE SITUATIONS OKAY.

BECAUSE OF THE LARGER GROUPS.

I JUST, AND, AND JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, WE AS A GROUP, WE AS A COUNCIL HAD TO APPROVE THE RATE BEFORE WE SIGN THE CONTRACT, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

SO IF WE PULL OUT, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AND GET ANOTHER CONSULTANT IF IT CAME TO THAT, YES.

WITH NO OBLIGATION TO YOU, NO, NO PENALTY, NO NOTHING.

WE WOULDN'T SIGN A CONTRACT WITH YOU IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE.

AND BY THE WAY, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE MORE OR LESS DOING IS SEATING YOUR AUTHORITY AT N B C C AT THAT POINT, AND THEY HANDLE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE SIGNING THE AGREEMENT, DIRECT AGREEMENT.

YOU'RE SEATING THAT TO N BCC.

UNDERSTAND.

UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE WILL BE GIVING HIM THE AUTHORIZATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MARKET OR ANYTHING? OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN TUMULTUOUS OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS.

I CAN HELP YOU OUT IN ANY DIRECTION.

I'M HERE.

SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COUNSELORS HAVE HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

SO, UM, THE ORDERS I'VE SEEN THEM ASKED WILL GO TO RICHARD AND THEN KATE, AND THEN ED, AND THEN DON.

UM, MINE'S MORE OF A STATEMENT.

UH, KURT AND AMY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

UM, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, FIRST TIER SUBURBS AND, UH, HAVING DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH JAY AND N VCC IN THE PAST AS THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN, UH, OVERSEEN BY OML, UM, I, I AM PERSONALLY ASKING THAT, UM, UH, THIS MOVE ON TO MONDAY.

AND, UH, COUNSEL CONSIDER THIS RESOLUTION AS THIS PROCESS, UM, AS, AS, UM, AS STATED BY KURT IS GOING TO GIVE, UM, A, A BIGGER BUYING OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE, UH, BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, UH, WHEN IT COMES FOR GUESTS, UM, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, JAY AND N V C C HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS PROCESS, UM, AND HAS GOT IT TO THIS POINT.

UM, I, I WANT TO THANK HIM AND HIS ENTIRE ORGANIZATION AND, AND COMMITTEE FOR GETTING THAT, UM, TO, TO OUR COMMUNITIES FOR CONSIDERATION.

A AS STATED, THERE WILL BE A, UM, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY A CHECKS AND BALANCES PROCESS ONCE THE RFPS DO COME BACK BY THE, UH, MEMBRANE COMMUNITIES, UH, COMMUNITIES TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

UM, AND IF, UM, IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE, UM, THE PAST WORK BY NCC, UM, I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE OUTSTANDING RATES, UH, FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE REGION.

MAYOR, THANK YOU.

SO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU'RE LIKE THE WHOLESALER? NO, CONSULTANT.

THANK YOU KURT AND AMY FOR COMING IN AND TALK TO US.

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CO CONSULTANT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE, SO FOR MY RESIDENTS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NO FEES TO EXIT, IF CORRECT.

EVEN IF THE CITY'S IN, IF THE RESIDENT WANTED TO OPT OUT, THEY COULD AND NO FEES.

MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. THANK YOU.

AND THERE'S NO FEES TO GET IN, CORRECT? FOR NO.

PEOPLE CAN THEORETICALLY COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE, BUT BASED ON METER READ DATES, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUMP OUT ONE MONTH, COME BACK THE NEXT MONTH, BUT THEY COULD LEAVE FOR A FEW MONTHS AND COME BACK.

YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMING TONIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

SO WE'LL GO TO ED AND THEN DON, THEN BACK TO GLENN.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR TAKING YOUR TIME TO COME OUT AND EXPLAIN THIS TO US.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR OUR CITY TO, UH, LOOK INTO AND POSSIBLY GET EVEN LOWER RATES.

YOU MENTIONED, UH, 12 CITIES FOR THE GAS AGGREGATION.

DO YOU KNOW, UH, I READ THE PACKET, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THE NAMES CITIES ON THERE.

DO YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE MICHAEL 12 OR AN ALPHABETIC ORDER, BUT IF YOU HAVE A FEW OF 'EM AT YOUR DISPOSAL, I HAVE 'EM.

BROOKVILLE, CENTERVILLE, EATON ENGLEWOOD, FAIRBORNE, GERMANTOWN KETTERING, MIAMISBURG TROTWOOD, TROY VANDALIA, WEST CARROLLTON UNION.

YES, PLEASE.

SOME OF 'EM.

I THINK THAT WAS, DID I MISS ANY BUT NO, THAT'S IT.

THERE YOU GO.

DATE IS NOT ON THERE.

WHICH ONE? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

NO.

THERE, WE DON'T DO ANY N B C C.

THIS IS NOT THROUGH, UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON.

NO.

AND, AND, AND NOT TO INTERRUPT, UH, COUNCILMAN LY, UH, AS OF JUST THE OTHER DAY, OAKWOOD IS NOW ON BOARD WITH THAT AS WELL, AT OAKWOOD.

COUNCILMAN SHAW ALREADY ANSWERED.

AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS SITUA FOR THE PACKET, UH, I MUST ADMIT, UM, I, I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON, UH, M VCC, SO COMING AND TALKING, UH, TONIGHT IS A GREAT DEAL, UH, UH, OF, UH, INFORMATION BEING GIVEN TO ME.

AND MY, UH, NEXT QUESTION, UH, MR. SHAW.

UM, BUT, UH, REAL QUICK, RUSS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UM, HOMES WE HAVE ON GAS IN THE CITY APPROXIMATELY? NO, I KNOW WE HAVE 15,000 IN WATER, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN GAS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I WOULD SEE AT LEAST HALF OF THAT.

CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES WITH ALL ELECTRIC.

SO, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE MIGHT, I MEAN, I CAN PROBABLY FIND OUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION FOR YOU IF I HAD TO GUESS OFFHAND RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS A BIG SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 GRAND OKAY.

IS MY GUESS.

AND, AND, AND WITH GOVERNMENT INFORMATION, UH, I MEAN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE INFORMATION, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO OR KNOW HOW TO GET THAT ACCESS.

AND BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEND OUT THE BID, YOU HAVE TO SEND OUT THE APPROXIMATE NUMBER OF HOMES, CORRECT.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE, UH, GAS PRICES BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS AND DEFINITELY LOWER.

UM, MY LAST QUESTION WAS, UH, IS JUST DEALING WITH A RANGE AGAIN, UH, WASN'T ANYTHING IN THE PACKET MM-HMM.

, BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE, UM, UH, ENERGY AGGREGATION AS YOU KNOW.

I KNOW TROY CAME AND SPOKE TO US WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY SPOKE VERY HIGHLY OF, UH, ENERGY AGGREGATION, ELECTRICITY, AND, UM, SO THAT WAS HELPFUL TO US AT THE TIME.

THE, IF YOU HAVE A GRAPH, UH, FROM LIKE LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS, UH, YOUR AGGREGATION WITH THE CONSORTIUM OF 12 CITIES, AND NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S 13 WITH OAKWOOD ADDING, UM, WHAT PRICE DID YOU GET? WHAT PRICE WOULD A CITY, UH, JUST BY THEMSELVES WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPARABLE TO RECEIVE AND THEN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS IF THEY WOULD'VE GONE? IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF GRAPH LIKE THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEND US, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM.

, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, BAR, BAR GRAPH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU HAVE OR CAN MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP, IT WOULD, UH, HELP OUT, I THINK, UH, VISUALLY TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE ADVANTAGE BECAUSE OUR ELECTRIC AGGREGATION PROGRAM'S BEEN WONDERFUL FOR OUR CITY.

MM-HMM.

UM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN UPDATE, BUT I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, FOR WHAT? BUT I MEAN, FOR A CITY MANAGER FOR AN UPDATE FOR OUR ELECTRICITY AGGREGATION.

OH, FOR ELECTRICITY, YEAH.

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

UH, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING OUT AND EXPLAINING FOR THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR DON.

OPEN US UP TO, UH, MORE SUPPLIERS THAN, SAY THE CITY ALONE WOULD, UH, UH, BE AVAIL THEMSELVES TO, OR? I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ADVANTAGES I TOUCHED, TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY IS MAYBE THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BEHIND IT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THE, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLUSES, POSITIVES, ADVANTAGES TO, UH, WELL, I'LL CALL THE POWER OF THE GROUP HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES IT

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AGAIN, WE DO THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, WE HAVE 400 SOME THOUSAND HOUSEHOLDS.

WE'RE DOING VARIOUS AGGREGATIONS THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

SO I KNOW WHAT I CAN PUSH SUPPLIERS ON FOR DIFFERENT TERMS AND AGREEMENTS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.

THAT MIGHT BE ONE AVENUE THAT YOU MAY NOT, UH, BE AS A PART OF ON IT, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, WE LIVE THIS EVERY DAY.

MM-HMM.

, UM, THE OTHER THING IS OBVIOUSLY, SO WHEN YOU'RE, A LOT OF THE SAVINGS DOES COME FROM THE GROUP PURCHASING.

AND WE, WE, YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT THAT REALLY IS A LARGE PART OF IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT YOU'RE JUST NOT, YOUR 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS, YOU'RE 55 OR 65,000 HOUSEHOLDS, AND YOU GET MUCH BETTER PRICING, MORE SUPPLIERS AT THAT LEVEL.

AND IT'S JUST BENEFICIAL TO YOU AS A WHOLE.

PLUS YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE, YOU KNOW, FROM OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME THING.

THEY ASK ABOUT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND THERE YOU ARE.

IS THAT AN ANSWER FOR YOU? IT'S A PERFECT ANSWER.

LET, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS.

I'M HAPPY WITH THE PROGRAM.

I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.

UM, THIS IS FOR TONY OR, OR, UM, BRIAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS IN THE, UM, RESOLUTION SECTION ONE, IT SAYS THAT THIS COUNCIL HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS YESTERDAY AT THREE O'CLOCK AND AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

AND THAT KIND OF WAS CONFUSING TO ME.

UM, DO YOU, I CAN SPEAK ON IT.

COULD YOU, SO PER OHIO CODE, ONCE A BALLOT ISSUE, ELECTRIC OR GAS AGGREGATION PASSES PER OHIO CODE, YOU HAVE TO DO TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THEY CAN BE HELD ON THE SAME DAY.

SO I WAS HERE YESTERDAY OKAY.

WITH RUSS.

AND, UM, THE CITY HAD THEM PUBLICIZED FOR TWO WEEKS IN THE LOCAL PAPER.

AND THEN I WAS HERE YESTERDAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE PUBLIC.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO, UH, MOVING THIS LEGISLATION ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

SAME UP.

WE'LL MOVE IT ON TO MONDAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

COUNSEL MA.

UP IS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT AND SOLICITING BIDS.

[ Fishburg Road Widening Project - Solicit Bids]

RUSS? YEAH.

THIS LEGISLATION, UH, WILL ALLOW US TO GO OUT TO BID FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT.

UH, THE WORK INCLUDES THE WIDENING OF FISHBURG ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, UH, TO MAKE THE ROAD THREE LANES WIDE FROM, UH, OLD TROY PIKE TO TOMBERG STREET.

UH, WE DID HAVE AN AERIAL MAP IN YOUR PACKET SHOW THAT, UM, BY WIDENING THAT SECTION, IT'LL MAKE FISHBURG ROAD A FULL THREE LANES WIDE, ALL THE WAY FROM OLD TROY PIKE TO BRANT PIKE TO MATCH THE REST OF THE ROADWAY.

BASICALLY, UH, THE ROAD WILL INCLUDE ADDING A WIDENED PAVEMENT WITH CURB, STORM, SEWER, AND SIDEWALK.

UH, IT'LL ALSO INCLUDE NEW DRIVE APPROACHES FOR THOSE RESIDENTS ALONG THAT ROUTE.

UH, THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE FOR THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS 700,000.

UH, LAST YEAR THE CITY RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION, UH, TO COVER APPROXIMATELY 50% OF THE PROJECT COST WITH 200,000 IN GRANT MONEY AND 200,000 IN LOANS.

UH, THE PROJECT WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH OUR CITY'S CAPITAL ISSUE TO FUND, AND, UH, WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR AWARD AFTER WE BID IT OUT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS? UH, THIS IS THE BID SOLICITATION ONTO MONDAY'S MEETING, RICHARD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR RUSS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'LL NEED TO DO, HOW YOU'LL NEED TO WORD IT.

UM, BUT AT SOME, SOMEWHERE IN THAT, UM, THAT SCOPE OF WORK, UM, CAN WE ADDRESS A TIMETABLE IN THERE? I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE, WE MISSED THAT, UH, WITH THE, UM, THE OLD TROY PIKE, UH, WIDENING PROJECT.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAME IN AT LIKE 500 SOMETHING DAYS AND WE GOT IT DOWN DRASTICALLY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATION NEEDED TO HAPPEN BETWEEN YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER, BUT IF WE CAN WORK THAT IN THERE, THAT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

UM, THAT INSTEAD OF GIVING US, YOU KNOW, A, A WIDE RANGE OF DAYS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING THE, THE BEST AVAILABLE SCHEDULE, UM, UH, INCLUDING IN BEDS.

UH, DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF THE, IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T START TILL, UH, LIKE MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, THE FUNDING'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.

SO WE CAN DO IT ANY TIME.

IT'S JUST, I DON'T LIKE TO START A PROJECT IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND NOT GET IT DONE.

AND THEN IT SITS THERE FOR THREE MONTHS, UN YOU KNOW, NOT COMPLETED AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND FINISH.

UH, THE CONTRACTOR MAY WANT TO DO THAT, BUT HE MAY ALSO WANT TO ASK TO SEE WHETHER HE CAN DO IT ALL NEXT YEAR.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAY TO PUT A TIMELINE IN

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THERE.

DO YOU WANT TO GIVE ME A TIMELINE OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? WELL, AND, AND, AND MAYOR, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET, UH, GET AWAY FROM IS, IS WHAT WE RAN INTO WITH THE DATE RANGE MM-HMM.

ISSUE BEFORE.

UH, ME PERSONALLY, I, I KNOW THIS FISHBURG ROAD WIDENING PROJECT HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION OF THIS CITY AND THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND IF, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST PORTIONS IN THAT SECTION YES.

UH, TO GET DONE.

UM, A AS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M FINE IF, IF THAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR.

UM, I THINK THAT MAY GIVE US A, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ENTICEMENT ON, ON THE BID PROCESS, UM, TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS AND WORK, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER TIME OUT.

UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS, MARY.

SO, SO RICHARD, JUST CLARIFY, ARE, ARE YOU WANTING TO SHORTEN THE LENGTH OF THE, ARE YOU, I MEAN, SO FIRST I THOUGHT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO, AFTER JUST TRYING TO LENGTH SHORTEN THE, THE TOTAL TIME THAT THE PROJECT IS GONNA TAKE.

SO, SO WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, RUSS? IF, IF IT STARTS EARLY, DO THEY GOTTA STOP AND IT PUSHES IT OVER? OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO START NEXT YEAR? I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL AFTER IS WE DON'T WANT IT TO JUST GO ON AND ON AND ON.

WE'RE TRYING TO SHORTEN THE TIMEFRAME.

BUT I THINK TO, BY GIVING ANY, ANY TYPE OF TIMELINE, IT AFFECTS THE PRICE.

A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL BE HIGHER IF WE TELL 'EM THEY HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

UH, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE LATER IN THE YEAR NOW TO GET THAT DONE.

THEY PROBABLY COULD FINISH IT BY THEN, BUT YOU WOULD BE PAYING A LOT MORE FOR IT BY GIVING THEM, NOT GIVING THEM A DEADLINE.

THEY WILL COME BACK WITH A TIMELINE.

BUT AS JUST LIKE THE, ON THE OTHER PROJECT, I CAN GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, REFINE YOUR SCHEDULE AND GIMME AN ACTUAL TIMELINE.

CUZ A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL JUST GIVE A TIME THAT'S HIGH FURTHER OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET ALL THE MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING.

BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE JOB THAT'S, UH, GONNA BE DELAYED FOR, FOR MATERIALS.

SO I WOULD RATHER BID IT, JUST GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT A TIMELINE OF, OR A DEADLINE OF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY START IN MARCH, LIKE JUNE, IT WOULD BE LIKE A THREE MONTH PROJECT.

SO I COULD DO IT THAT WAY.

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD STILL BE THREE MONTHS IF THEY STARTED LATER IN THE YEAR AND THEY COULD FINISH IT STILL IN THREE MONTHS? IF THEY STARTED IN THE END OF THE, UH, BY LIKE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, IF THEY DON'T GET THE PAVING AND STUFF DONE, THEY'LL, THEY WOULD FINISH PROBABLY IN MARCH OR APRIL.

ANITA, WHERE DOES FISHBURG FALL AS FAR AS WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT? IS THAT ANY TIME SOON? BECAUSE WHY WOULD WE DO NO A WIDENING PROJECT AND NOT DO THAT FIRST? NO, THERE'S NO WATER MAIN SCHEDULED TO BE REPLACED IN THAT AREA.

I DON'T HAVE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY BREAKS IN THAT AREA, I DON'T THINK.

MAYBE ONE OR TWO IF I COULD LOOK, BUT NOTHING COMPARED TO MOST OF THE OTHER STREETS.

IF YOU CAN JUST LOOK CUZ I, I MEAN IF WE'RE ALREADY DIGGING THERE AND DOING WORK, WHY WOULDN'T WE DO ALL THE WORK? RIGHT.

I THINK THE WATER MAIN'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, CUZ I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT IN PART OF THE WIDENING.

SO IF IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE WON'T BE EVEN NEAR IT.

WE'RE GONNA WORK EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT YOU'D STILL BE PAVING AND IF YOUR WATER MEANS DOING IT STILL, UH, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PAVING THE ROAD IN THIS PROJECT.

I THINK WE'RE JUST WIDENING.

WE MAY DO IT NEXT YEAR IN THE, IN THE PROGRAM, BUT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THERE'S NO OVERLAY INVOLVED IN THIS ONE.

THEY'LL JUST SAW CUT AT THE EDGE AND WIDEN IT OUT.

SO IS THERE ANY, UH, HOW DOES COUNSEL WANNA PROCEED WITH THIS MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BID ON MONDAY? OR GIVE 'EM THE TIMEFRAME TIMEFRAME NEXT YEAR? WHERE DO YOU WANNA GO? MAYOR, IF I CAN, I GUESS MAKE MY POINT A BIT CLEARER, I WANT TO TRY TO AVOID THE BACK AND FORTH THAT WE HAD LAST TIME.

I JUST WANT, I, I WANT THE INFORMATION BEST AND AVAILABLE WITH THE TIMEFRAME THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HAVOC FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

BUT AT THIS SAME TIME, GETTING THE PROJECT DONE SOONER, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE ENGINEER GO BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR AFTER WE GET THE INFORMATION BACK AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY I SAID IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE NOW, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

RU IF, IF THE BID COMES BACK, UM, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING ESTIMATE THAT WE'LL KIND OF KNOW ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE BASED ON THE FUNDING AND ALL THAT.

AND WE CAN PICK A SECOND BIDDER IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THE TIMELINE'S A LOT BETTER.

IF THE BID COMES BACK, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED FOR A TIMELINE AND IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU THINK WE WOULD, SHOULD BE PAYING FROM THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.

NOTHING SAYS WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE BID AT THAT TIME.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

WE CAN, I CAN BRING BACK ALL THE BIDS AND THEN LOOK AT THE TIMEFRAMES ON EACH ONE OF THEM

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SO.

AND I CAN, I CAN TALK TO THE CO, UH, CONTRACTOR PRIOR TO BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL TO SEE WHETHER HE CAN, YOU KNOW, CHECK HIS SCHEDULING OR HIS, HIS DEADLINE TO SEE WHETHER HE CAN SHORTEN IT KNOWING THAT HE'S A LOW BIDDER TO SEE WHETHER HE CAN DO ANYTHING FOR US.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A REASON TO POSTPONE GOING TO BID THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE.

MARK RUSS, UM, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT IF THERE IS A TIME DEADLINE THAT THE COST MIGHT GO UP? SOME YES.

COULD, COULD THE BIDDER BID ON BOTH HIS TIMELINE AND OUR TIMELINE? UM, NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE, BUT UM, BUT THAT'S NO REASON WE CAN'T THOUGH.

BECAUSE WE NEVER HAVE PROBABLY COULD TRY.

IT WOULD, IT WOULD TELL US WHAT THE PREMIUM COST IS FOR DOING THAT.

BUT WHAT WOULD WE GIVE THEM FOR OUR TIMELINE? WHATEVER YOU NORMALLY WOULD.

AND, AND WOULDN'T THAT BE, UH, DRIVEN BY THE CONTRACTOR TYPICALLY WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR BID, DON'T THEY TELL YOU WHEN? YEAH, CUZ THEY, IT'LL DEPEND HOW BUSY THEY ARE.

IF THEY KNOW THEY COULD WAIT TILL THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.

UM, CUZ WE'RE BIDDING IT AT A TIME WHERE THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY BUSY RIGHT NOW, SO I WOULD DO IT THAT WAY.

JUST THE WAY YOU ALWAYS DO IT.

AND THEN I WOULD HAVE A SECONDARY BID PRICE AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON A DEADLINE.

AND THEN WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PREMIUM AMOUNT WAS.

AND IT WOULDN'T AFFECT EITHER ONE.

ONE WOULD BE INDEPENDENT TO THE OTHER.

AND IT WOULDN'T SLOW THE PROCESS UP.

THEY WOULD BID ON IT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND SOME OF 'EM MAY NOT, IF YOU TELL THEM LIKE END OF THE YEAR, THEY MAY NOT PUT A BID IN FOR THAT SECTION IF THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T DO IT, BUT THEY WOULD, BUT THEY WOULD DO THE OTHER PART OF THE BID.

THEY WOULD DO THE OTHER PART OF THE BID.

AND YOU COULD COME BACK AND REPORT THAT.

YEP.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ELIMINATION OF A CONTRACTOR, NOT A PREMIUM IN PRICE.

SO WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT A LOT WITH THIS EXERCISE.

IT'S A SMALLER PROJECT, CORRECT? YES.

YEAH, IT'D PROBABLY BE THE PERFECT ONE TO TRY IT ALL.

UM, RUSS, COULD WE PUT A, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DEFINE A CONTRACT, COULD WE PUT IN THERE THAT UM, WE LIKE A BID FOR A NO, UH, EXECUTION WITH NO BREAK IN, IN IN CONSTRUCTION VERSUS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE CAN TRY TO DO THAT, BUT YOU ALMOST HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE DEADLINE OF DECEMBER, BEGINNING OF DECEMBER.

CAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE ASPHALT PLANT SHUT DOWN.

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING WHETHER IT'S IN SEPTEMBER OR WHETHER IT'S NEXT YEAR, JUST TO SAY THAT, THAT, UM, WHENEVER YOU DO IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR A CONTINUOUS CONSTRUCTION PERIOD WITHOUT BREAKS.

I, I MEAN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DEFINE AND, AND WE MIGHT, FROM WHAT MARK SUGGESTED, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY ELIMINATE A CONTRACTOR THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST.

YOU PROBABLY WILL, MIGHT ELIMINATE ALL OF THEM.

AND THEN RUSS CAN COME BACK AND REPORT THAT TO US.

YEAH, WE CAN TRY THAT.

SO DOES ANYTHING TO BE CHANGED IN BASED ON KATE? THANK YOU MAYOR.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I ASK FOR BIDS, I ASK FOR TIME AND COST RIGHT.

WHEN IT GOES OUT.

AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH BOTH.

AND IF THEY CAN'T AND THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO NOW, THE TIME THEY'LL GIVE ME, THEY'LL GIVE US, UH, TIME OF COMPLETION AND THE COST OF THE PRODUCT.

THEN IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.

THANKS.

SO DO, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEGISLATION THAT THE WAY IT SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN TO, TO DETERMINE TWO BIDS AND ALL THAT? OR CAN WE MOVE IT FORWARD AS IT, AS IT STATES AND JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL AS KIND DIRECTING YOU TO DO? YEAH.

I, I THINK THAT'LL WORK.

THE LEGISLATION WOULDN'T CHANGE.

IT'D BE THE CHANGES IN THE BIDDING DOCUMENTS.

EXACTLY.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS TO MONDAY? MAYOR? YES.

MARK, THESE, THESE BIDDING DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD CLARIFY WHAT IT IS YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE'LL SEE IN ADVANCE OF THE VOTE? WE, UH, KATE'S SITUATION MAYBE A WEEK AGO, THAT'S WHERE IT BROKE DOWN.

MAYBE WITH THE WATER MAINS, NOT, NOT KATE, BUT, UH, ANITA.

THE WATER MAINS.

ISN'T THAT WHERE THAT BROKE DOWN? YEP.

SO IF WE COULD REVIEW THAT PRIOR TO THE VOTE, MIGHT ELIMINATE THAT BEING AN ISSUE MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.

ANY, HAVE THOSE BID DOCUMENTS READ BY MONDAY? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE HAVEN'T STARTED PUTTING 'EM TOGETHER YET.

UM, AND IT TAKES A FEW DAYS AT LEAST.

UH, I CAN FIND OUT EITHER THAT, CAN WE, WE CAN PUSH THIS TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING.

THERE'S NO HURRY ON IT.

I'D RATHER HAVE IT DONE RIGHT THAN QUICK, SO.

YEP.

IN THIS CASE.

SO THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN MOVE IT TO, WE CAN OKAY.

JUST MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT, NOT THIS COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THE FOLLOWING MEETING.

ALL RIGHT.

[01:10:01]

SO WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION ON THIS ONE.

NEXT UP IS, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WOULD YOU WANT THIS TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO SEE THE BID DOCUMENTS AND THEN IT WOULD BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA THE FOLLOWING COUNSEL.

SO WORK SESSION'S ONLY? YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

SO TWO, BASICALLY TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.

TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.

YOU CAN HAVE THEM DONE BY THEN FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETING, CORRECT? YEAH, WE, YES.

[ Powell Road Realignment Project - OPWC Application]

NEXT IS ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE POWELL ROAD REALIGNMENT PROJECT.

UH, THE O P W C APPLICATION.

AND THAT'S ALSO RUS THIS EVENING.

UH, YES, THIS, UH, LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZED TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO DISTRICT FOUR OF THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE FOR FUNDING TO HELP CONSTRUCT THE POWER ROAD, UH, REALIGNMENT PROJECT.

UH, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.

WE, WE DID ACTUALLY SUBMIT TO THEM ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO FOR THIS.

UM, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT AT THAT TIME AND IT'S KIND OF JUST BEEN THERE AND WE DECIDED TO BRING IT BACK.

UM, THIS ROAD INCLUDES, THIS WORK INCLUDES THE REALIGNMENT OF POWELL ROAD LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 2,500 FEET WEST OF OLD TROY PIKE, WHICH IS ALSO JUST WEST OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

UH, THE REALIGNMENT OF THE TWO-LANE ROAD WILL ELIMINATE THE TWO SHARP CURVES AND SPREAD THE CURVES OUT TO MAKE THEM EASIER TO DRIVE AND MAKE THEM, UH, ODOT STANDARD FOR A 20, UH, 35 MILE AN HOUR ROADWAY.

UH, THE ROAD WILL REMAIN A TWO-LANE ROAD, UH, WITHIN THAT REALIGNMENT.

AND I DID HAVE A, AN AERIAL KIND OF PICTURE OF THAT IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE REMOVING APPROXIMATELY 600 TO 700 FEET OF EXISTING ROADWAY REALIGNING THE ROAD WITH NEW PAVEMENT AND RELOCATING SIDE DITCHES ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE REMOVING AND REPLACING EXISTING DRIVE APPROACHES.

THERE'S A FEW ON THAT IN THAT AREA.

UH, AND OBTAINING RIGHT AWAY FROM THREE PROPERTIES.

UH, WE HAVE ALREADY OBTAINED, OBTAINED QUOTES, UH, FOR DESIGN OF THIS.

AND I PLAN ON BRINGING THAT BACK IN A FEW MEETINGS FROM THE, PROBABLY TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW.

UH, THE ESTIMATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IS PROJECT IS 600 700,000.

AND WE WILL ATTEMPT TO GET, UH, 30 TO 40% OF THAT COST COVERED WITH THIS FUNDING.

UH, IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, CONSTRUCTION WILL OCCUR, UH, PROBABLY AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF 2025.

CAUSE THIS PROGRAM WORKS.

YOU SUBMIT IT IN THE FALL AND YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING TILL JULY OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO ACTUALLY BID ANY WORK.

AND THAT'S WHY THE LAST PROJECT WE'RE FINALLY BIDDING IT CUZ THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW US TO BID IT ANY EARLIER THAN THIS.

SO, SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S A PROJECT WE'VE LOOKED AT FOR MANY YEARS TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THAT CURB IN THAT AREA AND, UH, HOPEFULLY MAKE IT SAFER.

THERE USED TO BE A HOUSE IN THAT CORNER.

I ALWAYS WANTED, I ALWAYS TOLD MYSELF, SURPRISED NOBODY'S RAN THROUGH THE HOUSE.

AND MAYBE THEY DID, CUZ IT DOESN'T, THE HOUSE ISN'T THERE ANYMORE.

ANY, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR RUSS REGARDING THAT REALIGNMENT? DON? THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

RUSS, WAS THERE ANY ACQUISITION COSTS, UH, WITH REGARD TO OBTAINING THE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THOSE PROBLEMS? THERE WILL BE, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE SIX TO 700,000 I THINK INCLUDED THOSE ACQUISITION COSTS.

ANYTHING ELSE, RICHARD? THANK YOU.

UM, RUSS, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.

UH, WILL THIS, WILL THIS BE ADDRESSING ANY OF THE LIGHTING IN THE AREA? UM, I KNOW, UH, PROBABLY GONNA BE MOVING SOME OF THOSE, UM, ITEMS ALONG THAT ROADWAY.

ARE WE GONNA BE ADDRESSING ANY OF THAT? UH, I'M NOT, I THINK THERE IS A LIGHT RIGHT ON THE CURVE RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT WILL BE MOVED WITH THE PROJECT.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL LIGHTING.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT OKAY.

UH, THAT COULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT ALSO.

CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT THAT AREA IS, IS VERY, VERY DARK.

UM, OKAY.

AND, UH, EVEN WITH THE IMPROVEMENT AND IT BEING NEW, UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NEED, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE GOING WITH THE NEW L E D LIGHTS, UH, WITH OUR, OUR OUR LIGHTING PROGRAM.

ANY OBJECTION TO MOVE THIS ONTO MONDAY? NO, .

I, WHICH IS THE 2023 WATER METER REPLACEMENT PROJECT.

WE'LL SEE THIS ON MONDAY'S MEETING.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ 2023 Water Main Replacement Project - Award Contract]

AND THIS IS AWARDING THE CONTRACT, ROSS? UM, YES.

UM, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING IT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE SCHOOLS ON TWO PROPERTY OR TWO OF THE PROJECTS.

UH, ALTER ROAD IS, UH, CG CONSTRUCTION IS, IS, IS SCHEDULED TO DO THAT ONE AND M AND T EXCAVATING IS SCHEDULED TO DO CHM DRIVE.

UM, BOTH OF THOSE, WE HAVE ASKED THE, UH, CONTRACTORS IF THEY COULD DO THOSE IN OFF SCHOOL MONTHS, BASICALLY FROM, UH, END OF MAY TO THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST AND THIS WOULD BE NEXT YEAR.

BOTH HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT, UH, WITH THEIR SCHEDULE.

AND THEY, AND THEN WE WILL ADD THAT IN THEIR CONTRACT FOR THEM TO DO IT AT THAT TIME.

AND, UH,

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JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THEY WILL NOT BE, UH, NEITHER CONTRACTOR WILL BE, UH, CHARGING A PREMIUM OR IMMOBILIZATION COST FOR, UH, THAT AMENDMENT TO, UH, TO THE WORK SCHEDULE.

SO THIS IS SO ALTER AND CHM WILL BE DONE MAY THROUGH AUGUST NEXT YEAR.

GOOD.

MARK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? YES, RICHARD.

BRIAN.

I JUST WANT TO, UH, ASK THIS QUESTION IN PLAIN ENGLISH.

UH, THERE WILL BE NO DELAY TO THE PROGRAM AND NO ADDITIONAL COST.

THE ONLY DELAY WOULD COME TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHOOL SCHEDULE, BUT THERE NO IS NO ADDITIONAL COST OKAY.

FOR THEM TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHOOL SCHEDULE TO DO THE WORK IN JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST.

ITEM THREE J, WHICH IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE FOR WATER.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THAT ON FORWARD? ANITA? NO, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITIZENS.

[ Water Infrastructure Update]

BRIAN AND RUSS.

ANYTHING NEW? UH, JUST THAT, UH, THE, UH, INFORMATION IN THE PACKET.

THE, THE CHART IN THE PACKET IS REFLECTIVE OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE JUST SHARED WITH YOU REGARDING THE, UM, ADDITIONAL TIME NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THOSE TWO STREETS DURING THE, UH, UH, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.

UH, AND THEN JUST TO, UH, REITERATE, UH, COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR, UH, UH, OH GOSH DARN IT, UH, TYPICAL ORDER OF EVENTS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.

THAT'S, UH, UM, A TEMPLATE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE.

AND THEN, UH, MORE DETAILED INFORMATION IS BEING PLUGGED IN FOR THE UPCOMING PROJECTS AS A TEST RUN FOR THAT.

SO I DID WANT TO REMIND COUNSEL THAT, UH, WE, UH, WE DID PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

THANKS, BRIAN.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN ON THE UPDATE? OKAY.

AND NEXT IS ITEM

[ Monita Field Lease Amendment]

THREE K, WHICH IS THE MANITA FIELD LEASE AGREEMENT.

BRIAN, I'M SORRY, LEASE AMENDMENT.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS SOFTBALL BASEBALL ASSOCIATION HAD PREVIOUSLY COME BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

UH, AND ASKED TO, UH, HAVE MONITA FIELDS INCLUDED IN, UH, THEIR LEASE WITH, UH, THE FIELDS OVER AT TOM CLOUD PARK SO THAT THEY COULD, UH, UM, EXPAND THEIR PROGRAM, UH, THROUGH THE COURSE OF TIME AND EVENTS.

UH, THEIR PROGRAM DOES NOT NEED THOSE FIELDS OVER AT MONITA.

UH, THEY DID SHARE THAT WITH US, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST MONTH IN A MEETING, UH, THAT, UH, CHRIS LINMAN FROM THE Y AND I HAD WITH, UH, UH, H H S B A, UH, LEADERSHIP.

AND, UH, AS A RESULT, THEY'RE ASKING THAT, UH, THAT'LL LEAST BE AMENDED TO REMOVE MONITA FIELDS SO THAT, UH, Y AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE FIELDS.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU, UH, ADOPT LEGISLATION ON MONDAY TO AMEND THE LEASE REMOVING MOON TO FIELDS FROM, UH, THE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS, UH, SOFTBALL BASEBALL ASSOCIATION LEASE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? YES, RICHARD.

UH, BRIAN, UH, HOW MANY GAMES WERE PLAYED ON THAT, UM, UH, BY THE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS SOFTBALL AND BASEBALL ASSOCIATION OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS? DO YOU KNOW THOSE NUMBERS? UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DO NOT, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ASK, UH, OUR, UH, OUR FRIENDS OVER AT THE Y FOR THAT INFORMATION.

THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THERE WAS AN ORGANIZATION, UH, THAT, UH, LOOKING TO SIGN A LONG TERM LEASE, UH, FOR, I BELIEVE, I WANNA SAY IT WAS FIVE OR 10 YEARS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR FIELDS, UH, AND APPEARED IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL.

UM, AND THIS ORGANIZATION, UM, SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BEST UTILIZE THOSE FIELDS.

UM, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE MAY HAVE MISSED OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY OR MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RE-ENGAGE THAT CONVERSATION.

GRASS AND, AND MAKE IT PLAYABLE.

ANYONE ELSE? DON? UH, THIS IS FOR, UH, BRIAN.

BRIAN.

WILL THE FIELDS, UH, BE MAINTAINED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AS BASEBALL, UH, DIAMONDS? UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WILL THEY BE LEFT TO, UM, OVERGROW AS THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY? YES.

UH, TYPICALLY, UM, THOSE FIELDS THAT ARE USED BY THE Y SO SHUL GATE WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.

UM, WE MAINTENANCE THOSE FIELDS.

WE MAINTAIN THOSE FIELDS, UH, JUST LIKE THEY'RE AN OPEN FIELD.

SO AS THE GRASS GROWS UP THROUGH THE INFIELD, UM, WE'LL CUT IT.

WE DON'T DO ANY MAINTENANCE WITH THAT.

NOW, AS, UH, THE Y SEASON APPROACHES, THE Y WILL COME OUT AND THEY'LL DO THE INFIELD MAINTENANCE TO KIND OF KILL OFF THE GRASS AND THEN PREP THE INFIELD RIGHT BEFORE, UH, THE SEASON STARTS.

SO WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE, UH, MONITA FIELDS MAINTAINED IN A SIMILAR WAY.

WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR CUT THE GRASS OVER THERE, AND AS THE GRASS GROWS UP IN THE INFIELD, UH, IT WOULD GET CUT JUST LIKE IT WAS IN THE OUTFIELD.

AND THEN WHEN THE Y OR ANOTHER USER WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE FIELDS, THEN THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, OR WE WOULD WORK OUT AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE WOULD PREP THE INFIELD, UH, TO REMOVE THAT

[01:20:01]

I CAN ONLY SAY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO SEE THOSE MAINTAINED AS USABLE BASEBALL FIELDS, EVEN IF IT'S FOR NOTHING MORE THAN, UM, A RECREATIONAL GAME BETWEEN, UH, MR. SHAW'S TEAM AND MYSELF.

BUT, UH, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PUBLIC BE ABLE TO USE THE, THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS AS BASEBALL DIAMONDS.

UH, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT PREVIOUSLY DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE HOW WE DO IT GOING FORWARD.

SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MR. GRAY AND HIS TEAM ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE FIELDS, UM, REC FIELDS, IF YOU WILL, UH, THAT AREN'T UTILIZED BY ORGANIZED, UH, ATHLETICS, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THOSE.

HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

EXCELLENT ANSWER.

JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYTHING ELSE, GLENN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD JUST QUICKLY SAY THAT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE WITH MR. WEBB ON THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL.

THAT WAY, UH, THE LOCAL KIDS OR WHATEVER WOULD STILL THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND BLOW OFF SOME STEAM AND HANG OUT AND DO WHAT KIDS DO.

SO THANK YOU, MR. WILL.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS, UH, LEASE AMENDMENT ONTO MONDAY? NO.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE L, BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS.

[ Board And Commission Appointments * Arts and Beautification Commission - Appointments]

TONY.

THREE M, THE CITY RENEWAL LEVY FOR THE BALLOT MEASURE.

I BRING YOU TWO APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT.

UH, REC FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

UH, THE FIRST IS ASHLEY BERG, AND THE SECOND IS LORI WOODRUFF.

UM, BOTH HAVE COMPLETED THE NECESSARY BACKGROUND CHECKS AND HAVE MET WITH OUR INTERVIEW PANEL, AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.

I WILL JUST POINT OUT, UM, THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS SITUATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE FOUND THESE CANDIDATES.

UH, BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE VOLUNTEERED, UH, THROUGH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT THE ACTIVITIES, UH, OVER SEVERAL YEARS OF THE ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

SO, UM, WHEN THEY PARTNERED WITH OTHER CHURCHES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO BE A PART OF, UH, SUPPORTING ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION ACTIVITIES, UM, THESE WERE TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE PARTS OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

AND SO THEY'VE BEEN RECRUITED FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS TO SERVE ON THIS, UH, COMMISSION.

AND SO WE'RE GLAD THAT THEY'VE, UH, SHOWN THAT COMMITMENT AND WANNA DO MORE.

SO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UH, A MOTION TO APPOINT THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS TO THIS COMMISSION ON MONDAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

MOVE ON TO MONDAY.

NEXT IS ITEM

[ City Renewal Levy - Ballot Measure]

UH, THIS WAS KIND OF OVERALL A A GENERAL, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION LAST TIME TO HAVE HERE.

SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO LEAD THAT DISCUSSION OR BRIAN, IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU HAVE? UH, WAS OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

THIS WAS THE COUNCIL ITEM.

SO, GLENN, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ON THIS, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE I KNOW THE ANSWERS TO SOME FIRST QUESTION ARE, WE'RE 100% SURE THE SCHOOLS WOULD NOT HAVE A LEVEE ON THIS YEAR? THAT IS CORRECT.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, AND WHILE WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WHILE WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO REALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES, UH, TO MOVE FROM PROVIDING, UH, THESE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES, UH, TO FOCUSING ON, UH, ESSENTIAL SAFETY SERVICES, UH, IF THE SECOND MEASURE DOES NOT PASS, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY WILL EFFECTIVELY, UH, BE TASKED WITH, UH, CARRYING A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN OF COST REDUCTION IN THOSE AREAS.

UM, UH, SECOND, UM, WHEN WE WERE PUSHING THE INITIAL LEVEE BACK IN THE SPRING DURING THE PRIMARY, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING AND HAVE A LIST OF POTENTIAL CATCH.

SHOULD IT NOT PASS.

DO WE EXPECT TO SEE THAT PRETTY SOON? UH, SURE.

I CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU NOW.

IT WOULD BE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IN THE EVENT, UH, THIS MEASURE DID NOT PASS IN NOVEMBER, UH, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT EFFECTIVE, UH, WITH THE, UH, JANUARY 1ST, 2024 BUDGET, UH, THAT, UH, THE CITY, UM, UM, CEASE ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND INVESTMENT WITHIN, UH, THE PARKS, UH, THAT WE EFFECTIVELY, UM, SHIFT TO A MINIMUM MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE ONLY, UH, IN ALL OF THE PARKS.

UH, AND THAT WE DO NOT OPEN THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER, AND THAT WE INSTITUTE A CITYWIDE HIRING FREEZE ON ALL POSITIONS IN THE ORGANIZATION UNTIL SUCH TIME, UH, THAT, UH, FURTHER, UH, LEVY MEASURES ARE SUCCESSFUL, OR THAT THERE IS, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, POLICY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, UH, OR THE COMMUNITY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, TO FUNDING.

UH, AND THE REASON FOR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, EXCUSE ME.

AND ONE FURTHER RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, UH, ALL OF THE PROCEEDS FROM THE ROSE BE REROUTED FROM, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

UH, AND COLLECTIVELY THOSE, UH, MEASURES WOULD, UM, WOULD YIELD, UH, THE SAME RESOURCES TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

UM, OUR, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.

UM, REMEMBER THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO LEVEES, UH, THAT FUND PUBLIC SAFETY.

[01:25:01]

SO THIS IS, UM, IF, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THIS IS US MOVING, UM, WHAT RESOURCES WE WOULD HAVE, UH, UPON THIS FIRST LEVEES FAILURE, UH, TO COVERING THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE JUST, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE WONDERFUL PARK SYSTEM HERE.

WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME WONDERFUL AMENITIES, BUT THEIR AMENITIES AT THAT THEY ARE BENEFITS, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED SAFETY SERVICES.

SO THOSE WOULD BE THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF WOULD MAKE.

ULTIMATELY, COUNSEL WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, ACT ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS, AS YOU FELT APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME, TIME THAT THE BUDGET WAS, WAS BEING APPROVED, UH, AS THAT MEASURE WOULD HAPPEN AFTER THE ELECTION OUTCOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT THEN WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THESE THINGS.

WHO, WHO IS GOING TO BE MANAGING THE LEVY CAMPAIGN? UH, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS, UH, LIMITED RESOURCES.

I SHOULDN'T SAY THE CITY HAS LIMITED RESOURCES.

THE CITY HAS A, A LIMITED ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE.

UH, WE ARE, AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE ARE LIMITED TO PROVIDING FACTUAL INFORMATION, UH, ABOUT THIS MEASURE.

WE AS STAFF, AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ADVOCATE, UH, ON BEHALF, UH, OF THIS MEASURE.

THAT IS NOT A RESTRICTION THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS.

UH, I WOULD CALL COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TO COMMENTS THAT AUDITOR FABER GAVE IN GREEN COUNTY, UH, A FEW WEEKS BACK, UH, AND THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, BASED ON THE COMMENTARY HE OFFERED, UH, THE OFFICIALS OF GREEN COUNTY, UH, TO SPEAK YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE MEASURE AND TO ADVOCATE, UM, FOR OR AGAINST, UH, BASED ON HOW YOU SEE FIT.

UH, IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THERE IS INTEREST FROM, UM, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE INVESTED INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THIS COMMUNITY TO FORM A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, UH, TO ADVOCATE, UH, FOR THIS MEASURE.

BUT WHERE THAT SITUATION IS OR HOW THAT SITUATION STANDS, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME OTHER THAN TO TELL YOU, I'M AWARE THAT THERE IS AN INTEREST AND A DESIRE TO DO THAT IF COUNSEL PUTS THIS MEASURE ON THE BALLOT.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, WE DO PLAN ON BEING, UM, AS AN ORGANIZATION BACK TO WHAT THE CITY INTENDS TO DO OR PLANS TO DO, UH, BASED ON THE, THE LIMITATIONS WE DO HAVE UNDER THE LAWS, UM, OF THE STATE OF OHIO.

UH, WHAT WE DO PLAN TO DO IS WE WILL PUT TOGETHER, UM, INFORMATIONAL MATERIAL, WE PLAN TO HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE AT, AT KEY EVENTS.

SO THINGS SUCH AS, UM, UH, THE MARIGOLD FESTIVAL, UM, AT CERTAIN SELECT, UH, FARMER'S MARKET, UH, EVENTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UH, WE'LL LOOK TO HAVE A BOOTH THERE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, THE NEUTRAL INFORMATION, THE FACT BASED INFORMATION.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE, UH, ALSO INTEND TO PUT OUT AT LEAST ONE FLYER, UM, IN ADVANCE MAILER, UH, OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IN ADVANCE, UH, REMINDING THEM THAT, UH, THERE IS AN ELECTION THAT THIS MEASURE IS ON THAT, UM, AND THAT, UH, THEY, THEY NEED TO VOTE WHETHER OR NOT FOR OR AGAINST THAT, WE NEED TO ADVOCATE THAT OUR CITIZENS AT LEAST PARTICIPATE, UH, IN THIS EFFORT TO AFFECT THEIR, THEIR GOVERNMENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.

UM, IT IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, UH, AND, UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR APPROACH, UH, HEADING INTO NOVEMBER.

IF COUNSEL WERE TO ADOPT THIS MATTER ON MONDAY.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, IS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE LIKE THE KEY AD BOARD, UH, TO SAY, SUPPORT THE FIRE, THE SAFETY LE THAT'S 100% WHAT I'M SAYING.

THE EFFECTS OF THAT WOULD BE ON THE AQUATIC CENTER AND A COST THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO MAKE IT BACK TO STANDARDS? SURE.

I, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING I EXPECT YOU'D HAVE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BUT IF WE WERE GOING TO BE MAKING THOSE CUTS, IF THE LEVEE WOULD FAIL, WHAT DO YOU FEEL, HOW DO YOU FEEL THE AQUATICS PARK WOULD BE IF WE HAD AN OFF SEASON WHERE IT'S JUST SITTING THERE, NOT USED? WHAT I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE SET THERE, NOT USED PIPES START GOING BACK.

I MEAN, THINGS START DETERIORATING WHEN IT'S NOT USED MM-HMM.

CORRECT.

WHAT DO YOU FEEL WOULD BE THE COST? AND AS I SAID, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A NUMBER NOW.

IF WE WENT, IF THE LEVEE WOULD FAIL AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN THE AQUATIC PARK NEXT YEAR, A PASSES WE GET TO OPEN UP WITH THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHAT DO YOU FEEL

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UM, THIS, HAVING DISCUSSED THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, UM, STAFF AT STAFF MEETING, UM, THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED BY CHRIS LINMAN OVER AT THE Y UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT HE'S ABLE TO QUANTIFY, BUT THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT, THAT HE DID EXPRESS, UH, THAT IF THIS FACILITY WERE TO SIT FALLOW FOR A SEASON OR MULTIPLE SEASONS, THAT THE COST TO, UH, REACTIVATE THE SPACE WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, THAN, UH, THE EXPENSE TO ACTIVATE IT, UM, AFTER THE WINTER SEASON.

SO, UM, THAT IS TO, TO SAY WE'RE AWARE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONSEQUENCE.

UM, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NATURE OF OUR OPERATION AND HOW THE CITY FUNDS, UM, MANY OF ITS OPERATIONS, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF SOURCES OF UNRESTRICTED REVENUE.

AND, UM, THE POLICE AND FIRE TAKE UP A GREAT DEAL OF, UM, NOT JUST, UM, THE SAFETY SERVICES REVENUES, BUT THEY ALSO RECEIVE SIGNIFICANT GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIES AS WELL TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

SO, UM, UM, WE HAD TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL, WHEN, WHEN PUTTING TOGETHER THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND, UH, WHILE IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE, UH, THAT WE MIGHT INCUR THOSE, OR THAT WE WOULD INCUR THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES IF THE, THE AQUATIC CENTER WERE TO SIT FALLOW, UM, IT, THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF, UM, HAVING TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS AS RESOURCES BECOME MORE AND MORE LIMITED.

I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK IF THERE WAS A FIGURE WITH THAT, AND AS WE'RE GIVING THE PUBLIC THIS INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IMPORTANT REASONS ALSO INCLUDING THAT COST, IF THIS FAILS AND THE AQUATIC PART SITS VACANT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US TO GET IT BACK UP AND RUNNING.

I MEAN, I THINK THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT HELP, UM, SURE.

MIGHT HELP THE CAUSE.

AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL, WE'LL QUANTIFY HOW EACH ONE OF THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS PRODUCES OR ALLOWS FOR THE REALLOCATION OF REVENUE SOURCES, OR EXCUSE ME, RESOURCES.

BUT, UH, JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT, I WANTED TO GIVE COUNSEL AN AWARENESS OF WHERE, UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO CONTINUE TO, OR WE WOULD LOOK TO FIND THE RESOURCES TO CONTINUE PUBLIC SAFETY OPERATIONS.

AND THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, WHERE'S THE IMPACT GROUP TONIGHT? UH, THEY ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE.

UM, I ASKED FOR THEM TO BE HERE.

THEY'RE A CONTRACTOR.

MM-HMM.

, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, AND THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP.

AND WE ASKED THEM IF THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AVAILABLE THIS EVENING.

AND, UH, THEY UNFORTUNATELY HAD OTHER COMMITMENTS FOR OTHER CLIENTS, BUT, UM, WE ASKED THEM, UH, WE DID, WHEN OUR EMPLOYEES DON'T SHOW UP TO WORK, WE ASK 'EM TO SHOW UP TO WORK AND THAT'S IT.

THEY DON'T SHOW UP AGAIN.

UH, OKAY.

NEVERMIND.

UM, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE RENEWAL, UH, BRING IN, UM, ANNUALLY TO THE CITY? THIS WOULD BE 2.75 MILLION APPROXIMATELY.

AND HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND? UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UH, AT THE CURRENT BALANCE AND CONSULT WITH A FINANCE DIRECTOR.

UM, LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS, UH, 14 MILLION.

AND, UH, OF COURSE IT'S A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT, SO IT GOES UP AND DOWN LITERALLY EVERY DAY.

UM, SO THEN YOU COULDN'T FACTOR IN 2.7 MILLION.

HOW MANY YEARS WOULD IT TAKE AT $14 MILLION BEFORE WE GET DOWN TO THE STATE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IN OUR GENERAL FUND, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

AND, UM, HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE LOSE ON THE KROGER AQUATIC CENTER LAST YEAR FOR OPERATIONS? UH, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

THOSE, THOSE MIGHT HAVE BEEN GOOD DETAILS TO HAVE READY FOR COUNSEL TO DISCUSS AT THE WORK SESSION.

HAD I KNOWN THAT THOSE QUESTIONS WERE GONNA BE ASKED AT TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION, I WOULD'VE HAD THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRIAN, BUT I ASKED YOU TO HAVE THE IMPACT GROUP AND THEY WEREN'T HERE EITHER, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

STATED THAT, UM, UM, STAFF, EMPLOYEES WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE CITY, UM, ARE GOING TO BE ENGAGING IN THE UPCOMING RENEWAL IF IT DOES GO TO THE BALLOT MEASURE, UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS, UH, BALLOT MEASURE IN MAY.

ANYONE ELSE? RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR RYAN.

AT THE, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT, UH, SINCE THE LEVY LEVY FAILURE, UM, THAT IT WAS A CONVERSATION YOU HAD HAD WITH MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS THAT THEY NOW SEE THE NEED TO REENGAGE A, AM I REITERATING YOUR CONVERSATION CORRECTLY? I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY.

I DON'T.

UNDER SO, AT, AT A, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS

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I BELIEVE YOU HAD MADE COMMENTS AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, OR THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS.

AM I, AM I INCORRECT OR AM I REMEMBERING THAT WRONG? UH, THOSE COMMENTS WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, UM, I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION, THOSE COMMENTS WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, IN LINE WITH, UH, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LOOKING TO, UM, THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO BECOME INVOLVED IN A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THEY DIDN'T DO THAT IN MAY? UH, I DO NOT.

AND, AND, AND FROM THAT, THAT PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, IT WAS MENTIONED, UM, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED.

UM, IF THERE WAS ANY REASON GIVEN BY THE IMPACT GROUP ON WHY THIS LEVY FAILED, UM, I THINK SOMEBODY HAD MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT A LOW VOTE OR TURNOUT, BUT YOU HAD NO OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THAT ORGANIZATION.

UH, CORRECT.

AND IS IT YOUR OPINION, OR IS IT GOING TO BE YOUR DIRECTION, UM, IF COUNSEL DOES MOVE ON THIS MEASURE, UM, ON MONDAY TO RE-ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF THE IMPACT GROUP, UH, FOR THIS NEXT BALLOT MEASURE? IT IS, MAYOR, I WILL OPENLY TELL YOU, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MEASURE ON MONDAY FOR THAT ONE SIMPLE REASON.

UM, AND, UH, I, IF THIS INTERIM CITY MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION, UM, BEFORE THIS PREVIOUS BALLOT MEASURE THAT FAILED, UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM IN HIS OFFICE THAT THIS COUNSEL HAD PREVIOUSLY GIVEN STAFF DIRECTION NOT TO USE THE IMPACT GROUP, UM, AND THAT MOVED FORWARD AND FAILED IN MAY.

UM, I AM STILL STAYING STEADFAST ON THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT THE INFORMATION CAMPAIGN, UH, THE, UH, FACT INFORMATION CAN BE PROVIDED AT STAFF LEVEL, UM, AND, AND, AND BE, UM, MOVED FORWARD.

UM, IT, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR ANY INVOLVEMENT OF THE IMPACT GROUP IN THIS BALLOT MEASURE, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS 100%.

NO ONE ELSE.

IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING THIS ITEM? ONE TO MONDAY? IT'LL ACTUALLY BE ON THE AGENDA ALREADY HAD OF FIRST READING, SO THERE'LL BE A SECOND READING OF BOTH ITEMS. SO MOVE THIS ON, WE'LL SEE IT AS A SECOND.

READING.

ANITA, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION OTHER THAN THE IMPACT GROUP? WELL, BASED ON THE, UM, ABILITY TO TURN AROUND AND PUT THIS MEASURE BACK ON THE BALLOT AND BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, THE MORE ACTIONABLE ITEMS, SO PRODUCING THE MATERIAL, UM, WORKING WITH, UM, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PRODUCED, THE IMPACT GROUP FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE REPRESENTS THE BEST OPTION FOR US TO BEGIN PUTTING INFORMATION OUT THERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WORKING WITH THEM.

MAYOR, HOW MUCH DID WE PAY THE IMPACT GROUP? UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FIRST CONTRACT I THINK WAS $30,000 IS WHAT I HAVE IN MY HEAD, BUT I, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FIRST CONTRACT.

I NEVER SEEN LITERATURE OR SIGNS.

IS THERE ANOTHER COMPANY THAT WE CAN USE TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THIS BALLOT MEASURE? WELL, I THINK THAT THERE WAS A STRATEGY, THERE WAS A DIFFERENT STRATEGY APPLIED TO THE PRIMARY ELECTION THAN WHAT'S BEING APPLIED TO THE, UM, GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

UH, AND THE STRATEGY IS WHAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE MATERIAL, NOT THE COMPANY THAT'S, UM, NOT THE COMPANY THAT'S HIRED TO SUPPORT THE EFFORT, BECAUSE I NEVER SEEN A SIGN THAT THEY DID.

I NEVER GOT A MAILING, I NEVER GOT A DAY OF CALL OR TEXTING.

UM, I CAME TO ONE INFORMATION MEETING AND THEY WERE NOT IMPACTFUL.

THE IMPACT GROUP BE A SEPARATE ISSUE BROUGHT FORTH BEFORE THIS COUNCIL? ARE WE BEING ASKED TO, UH, UH, GIVE A NOD OF APPROVAL TO THE IMPACT GROUP WITH, UM, THIS LOVEY RENEWAL NOW? SO BASED ON THE WORK THAT WAS PROVIDED, OR BASED ON THE, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE PRE PREVIOUSLY, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE ELECTION BY THE IMPACT GROUP, THEIR PROPOSAL DOES NOT, UM, MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT FOR ENGAGEMENT.

ANYTHING, UM, BRIAN, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE HERE AT THE TIME.

SO IF, UH, MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER, MARK CAMPBELL DOESN'T MIND ME PICKING AT HIS MEMORY, WAS THE IMPACT OF GROUP INVOLVED WHEN WE PASSED THE LAST, UH, LEVY? YES.

BRIAN, WILL THE HIRING OR NON HIRING OF

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ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO I'LL ASK AGAIN, SIR.

WE'LL, THIS WILL JUST BE MOVED ON TO THE SECOND READING.

IS ITEM THREE N GAS STATION MORATORIUM.

SO WE'LL SEE IT AGAIN.

[ Gas Stations Moratorium]

THIS WAS, UH, AGAIN, ASKED BY, UH, FOR A COUNCIL DISCUSSION, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE, BRING IT UP.

CLINT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO GET THIS BALL ROLLING.

I, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT, UH, A BIG FAN OF MORATORIUMS. UM, FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, COULD SELECTIVELY BE USED TO DO SOME GOOD.

UM, HOWEVER, UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AND IT WAS AFTER THE FACT THAT STAFF HAD INFORMED US AFTER A, A, SOME QUESTIONING AT ONE POINT IN TIME ABOUT OUR NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS, THAT WE WERE NOT ONLY AT CAPACITY, BUT WE WERE OVER WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERING OUR POPULATION IN HERE.

AND THAT WAS WELL BEFORE I THINK ANOTHER 3, 4, 5 GAS STATIONS THAT POP, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I, I'M NOT CARRYING THE WATER ON THIS ONE, UM, BUT, UM, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO SOME CONVERSATION AND IF IT'S A REASONABLE, UH, MORATORIUM SO WE COULD, UH, FURTHER EXPLORE THE IMPACT TO OUR CITY AND WHAT ALL THESE GAS STATIONS GOING UP ARE DOING.

I, UH, UH, I'M CERTAINLY, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION.

SO THANK YOU, ANITA.

UM, I'VE BEEN PUTTING A LOT OF THOUGHT IN THIS, AND I WAS THINKING A FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM, AND THE REASON I'M COMING UP WITH FIVE YEARS, THAT WILL GET WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE RESIDENTS MOVED IN, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IN PLACE.

IT ALSO KIND OF GIVES US SOME TIME TO SEE, DO WE NEED THESE GAS STATIONS? IS EVERYTHING'S GOING MORE ELECTRICAL CARS? SO IS THERE A REASON TO IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT IF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY NEED GAS STATIONS, WE NEED MORE CHARGING STATIONS.

SO I WAS THINKING A FIVE YEAR WOULD GIVE US SOME CALMING PERIOD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED IN THIS AREA SINCE WE WERE ALREADY OVER THE LIMIT ANYWAY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS A FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM.

LET US SEE HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE MOVING IN.

LET US SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELECTRICAL CARS ARE DOING.

THAT GIVES US SOME TIME TO PUT A LITTLE HALT ON STUFF.

ANYONE ELSE? RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, AT, AT THIS TIME, UH, I THINK IF ANYTHING, UM, THIS COUNCIL NEEDS MORE RESEARCH AND WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE PLANNER, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BY STAFF, UM, AND I THINK A MULTITUDE OF ITEMS NEED TO BE RESEARCHED.

ONE, UM, I THINK THE PREVIOUS, UM, GAS STATION, UM, LIST THAT WAS PROVIDED AND COMPILED BY STAFF, UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DUSTED OFF, UH, REFRESHED AND, UH, REANALYZED.

UM, TWO, UM, I, I THINK THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF WHAT ADDITIONAL GAS STATIONS ARE ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE, UH, THAT ALREADY HAVE APPLICATIONS, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING THROUGH, UH, THREE.

UM, I THINK THE CITY PLANNER, UM, SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WHAT SECTIONS OF THE CODE, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1980 PLUS.

UM, AND COULD BE REVIEWED SUCH AS DISTANCE, UH, BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, EPA REGULATIONS ON TANKS IN THE GROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHEN GAS STATIONS MOVE OUT AS, UH, THIS COMMUNITY HAD TO DEAL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, INC.

AND, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, CAR DETAILING STATIONS, UH, THAT HAVE CLOSED DOWN OVER THE YEARS.

AND WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE BURDEN OF THOSE EPA IMPACTS.

UM, SO AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S MORE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO GO IN BEFORE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT EVEN A MORATORIUM.

UM, AND I, AND I THINK THAT SAME RESEARCH NEEDS TO BE APPLIED TO MANY OTHER BUSINESSES.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RATIO OF BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE COMPARED TO COMMUNITIES OUR SIZE AND, AND AGAIN, WITHIN THE REGION, UM, WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ARE THERE? UM, I'M SURE THAT MANY OF US HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WAS OF, YOU KNOW, DRY CLEANING FACILITIES UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF THAT PROCESS.

SO I THINK A LOT OF IT IS BASED ON EDUCATION OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW.

WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, CAR WASHES,

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UH, WHEN IT COMES TO FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPES OF BUSINESS, UH, I THINK THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE A REVIEW OF THAT AS COUNCILWOMAN KITCHEN SAID, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, ENERGY RESOURCES, UM, GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITH, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC MOBILITY.

UM, I KNOW I'VE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE ON THIS COUNCIL OF EV CHARGING STATIONS AND BEING THE HUB.

UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST ANNOUNCED RECENTLY THAT, UH, GOVERNOR DEWIN HAS PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT CORRIDOR, UM, WHICH IS GOING TO START CUTTING DOWN ON, UM, THE GAS STATION, UM, USE, UM, AS A STATE AND FEDERAL TAX CREDITS COME MORE READILY AVAILABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND HYBRID VEHICLES.

UM, SO AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S MORE EDUCATION THAT WE NEED.

UM, UH, I'M NOT A FAN OF MORATORIUMS, UM, BUT I'M A FAN OF RESEARCH AND I'M A FAN OF ACTION.

UM, AND, AND WE HAVE STARTED SOME CONVERSATION ON THE GAS STATION, BUT WE KIND OF JUST LEFT IT THERE.

UM, AND I, AND I THINK THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO INVOLVE OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND EMPOWER THEM, UH, SUCH AS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW BOARD, UM, AND, AND REALLY GET ALL THE ENTIRE REVIEW OF OUR, OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER ON THE THANK YOU NANCY.

UM, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE INFORMATION CAME FROM, THAT WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE PER CAPITA A NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS FOR OUR CITY OF OUR SIDE.

SO ON, UH, ON AUGUST 4TH, UM, YOU ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ME, UH, AND I'LL READ IT CUZ IT'S PRETTY SHORT.

UH, BUT, UH, DURING A, UH, PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING, IT WAS ASKED WHAT THE PER CAPITA STATISTICS WERE ON FUELING STATIONS BASED ON AN OPEN INTERNET SEARCH.

THE PER CAPITA RATIO RANGES FROM ONE FUELING STATION PER 2,600 RESIDENTS, THE NATIONAL RENEWABLE ENERGY LABORATORY TO ONE FUELING STATION PER 2,800 PERSONS STATISTICA.COM.

BASED ON OUR 2020 CENSUS POPULATION OF 43,439, THE CITY ON AVERAGE SHOULD HAVE BETWEEN 16.7 AND 15.5 FUELING STATIONS ACCOUNT OF THE CURRENT FUELING STATIONS IN THE CITY TOTALS 18 FUELING STATIONS.

IF YOU WERE TO INCLUDE THE PENDING CASEYS AND SHEETS, THAT WOULD BRING THE TOTAL FUELING STATIONS IN HUBER HEIGHTS TO 20 FUELING STATIONS WHILE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE ACADEMIC RESEARCH SUPPORTS THAT FUEL STATION CLUSTERS AND CLUSTERING AND HIGH CONCENTRATIONS AROUND HIGHWAY INTERCHANGES IS COMMON.

MOREOVER, THE RESEARCH SUPPORT THAT SUCH CLUSTERING CAN RESULT THAN CAN RESULT IN AND ABOVE AVERAGE COUNT OF FUELING STATION SAID, RESEARCH IS VALIDATED IN THE ATTACHED THESIS AND IS REFERENCED AND REFERENCES CITED.

AND THAT WAS THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO COUNSEL.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO SINCE WE ARE RIGHT ON A HIGHWAY, A MAJOR HIGHWAY, UM, I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, BE AT ALL SURPRISED THAT WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE, THE ONE FOR EVERY 2,800, UH, NUMBER.

UM, I, I JUST, UH, I I COULDN'T SUPPORT A MORATORIUM.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ENOUGH TO, OKAY, MAYOR, THANK YOU.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS TYING THE HANDS OF A FUTURE COUNSEL.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, SO MS. KITCHEN, WHO'S PROPOSED A FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM, AND WE HAVE MR. SHAW WHO'S ADVOCATING FOR MORE RESEARCH.

SO WHAT WOULD BE THE WILL OF COUNSEL AT THIS, AT THIS POINT? GLENN? I THINK RIGHT NOW I'D BE ON THE RESEARCH BAN AGAIN.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME UP UPDATED NUMBERS AS WELL.

AND SOME OF THAT, THAT OTHER RESEARCH THAT YOU MENTIONED, ANITA, CAN WE ALSO GET HOW MANY IS IN THE PIPELINE? BECAUSE READING DAY AND DAILY WA WAWA IS COMING.

UM, WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT'S COME IN FRONT OF US, SO WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE AND HOW MANY SURE.

WELL, WELL, WE'LL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, SO, CORRECT.

SO YEAH, SO ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE, IF A MORATORIUM WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE MORATORIUM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AS WELL.

AND, UM, WE'LL GET THAT OUT.

NOW, HOW MANY MORE PUMPS, HOW MANY MORE GAS STATIONS, HOW MANY MORE OF EVERYTHING WITH THAT? OH, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU.

TWO GAS STATIONS, UM, IN AN ABSTRACT, A FUELING STATION COULD BE CONSIDERED AN EV CHARGING STATION.

SO ARE WE ERRING ON THE SIDE OF RESEARCH? DON? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M GONNA GO WITH RICHARD ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

AS A FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED THAN JUST SAYING NO

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UM, SO WE, WE WOULD NEED TO PROCEED VERY CAREFULLY AND UNDER THE CAREFUL GUIDANCE OF AARON SORRELL AS TO, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DRAFTED AND EVERYTHING.

SO I, I REALLY DO THINK, UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US DISCUSSING THIS AT DIFFERENT WORK SESSIONS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DATA AND INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

SO BRIAN, YOU'LL NOTIFY US WHEN SOME OF THAT RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE AND LET US KNOW.

WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION TO, TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT DATE IS.

SO WE'LL, UM, WE'LL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT, UH, WEEKLY STAFF MEETING NEXT TUESDAY.

UH, WE'LL GET AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE FROM, UH, AARON ABOUT HOW LONG HE THINKS THAT MIGHT TAKE, AND THEN WE'LL EMAIL THAT OUT, UH, LATER NEXT WEEK ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION FROM HIM.

AND THEN THAT'LL INCLUDE THE, UH, ESTIMATED NUMBER OF STATIONS IN THE, UH, IN THE PIPELINE SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

UP IS ITEM THREE OH, WHICH IS THE ANNEXATION DISCUSSION FOR TYPE TWO APPLICATION TIMELINE REVIEW.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, NEXT

[ Annexation Discussion/Type II Application Timeline Review]

AGAIN, THIS WAS REQUESTED BY COUNSEL, SO PUT IT UP FOR DISCUSSION, GLENN.

UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START AND SAY THAT, UH, I HAVE JUST SOME QUESTIONS SINCE WE, UH, RECENTLY DEALT WITH ANNEXATION AND THE POSSIBILITY OF ANNEXATION.

UM, THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK WERE ASKED OR DESIRED DURING THAT DISCUSSION AND DURING THOSE, UH, EVENTS AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE, UM, WHAT SOME OF THE ASSOCIATED COSTS WOULD BE OF PICKING UP ADDITIONAL TERRITORY.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.

UM, BECAUSE IF WE'RE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW TO PAY OUR POLICE AND FIRE, AND WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND OUR TERRITORY INTO AREAS WHERE CHIEF ASHWORTH IN 2015 TOLD ME THAT WE WERE GOING TO NEED TO BUILD A NORTHEAST FIRE STATION BEFORE LONG WITH CARRIAGE TRAILS FILLING UP, THEN THAT TELLS ME WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND SOME OF THESE MONIES ON SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, UM, SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE PROJECTED COSTS MAY BE TO POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, WHAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL STRESS WE MAY SEE ON OUR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEMS. I KNOW THAT WHEN, UH, THERE WAS SOME, SOME CONCERN WITH, UH, WHEN SOFTENING AND PRESSURE CAME ONLINE BECAUSE OF ADDITIONAL, UH, IT HAD ADDITIONAL IMPACTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THROWING MORE, UH, UH, HOMES ON IT IS GONNA BE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT SPECIFICALLY TO THE SCHOOLS WOULD BE IF THAT WERE TO TAKE PLACE.

AND, UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, BASED ON THE MAP THAT WAS IN A PACKET A LITTLE WHILE BACK, THE PROJECTED ANNEXATION MAP FROM THE, UH, AGREEMENT WITH, WITH BETHEL, IT SHOWED MULTIPLE COLORS.

I THINK THE ANNEXATION WAS IN LIKE A PINK, UM, UH, FUTURE ANNEXATION WAS IN LIKE A TAN.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE WENT TO THE WHITE ABOVE THAT.

UM, TO SAY THAT THAT WASN'T GONNA BE TOUCHED WITHIN, UH, UH, A MORATORIUM THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ACCEPTED.

I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTALITY OF THE POTENTIAL ANNEXATION PROPERTIES WOULD BE IN ACREAGE AS WELL, UM, TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS, AS FAR AS THAT TYPE OF IMPACT.

UM, AS WE KNOW WE CAN PUT SO MANY HOMES ON SO MANY ACRES.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.

AND I, AND I HAVE CONCERNS THAT MOVING FORWARD, IF, IF WE LOOK TO PUSH ANNEXATION AGAIN, THESE THINGS ARE GONNA NEED TO BE KNOWN.

WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND CHECK IT OUT NOW, GET THIS INFORMATION OUT AND HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE? RICHARD? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, TONY, TO DATE HA HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY WORD ON A, UH, APPLICATION SUBMITTAL FOR, UH, TYPE TWO ANNEXATION? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.

I'VE, I'VE NOT PERSONALLY RECEIVED ANYTHING AND I RECEIVED THE LAST ONE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS GONNA BE TO THE LAW DIRECTOR.

UM, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION, UH, MAYBE, UH, JUST A ONE PAGE SUMMARY ON THE OVERALL TIMELINE OF A TYPE TWO ANNEXATION? AND KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, UM, APPLICATION SUBMITTED.

IT GOES TO THIS STEP, IT GOES TO THIS STEP, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, WOULD IT TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO, YOU KNOW, JUMP ON WORD AND, AND, AND PUT THAT TOGETHER AND SEND THAT OUT TO COUNSEL? UH, NO.

NO, WE, UH, NO, IT'S NOT.

I, I DO KNOW IN MY, IN MY COMMUNICATION, UM, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT, UH, UM, A PROPERTY OWNER WHO MAY BE UNDER A, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO WAS FRUSTRATED WITH THE PROCESS.

IS IT ON? THERE WE GO.

YEAH, WE CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER FAIRLY EASILY.

OKAY, PERFECT.

UM, AND I, I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY, UH, UH, A GOOD PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT, UH, NOT ONLY THAT WE HAVE, BUT RESIDENTS HAVE AS WELL.

UM, AND

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UM, MAYOR, I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID THAT THAT IS A CIVIL MATTER, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ADHERED TO IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION, BUT YEAH, IF THERE'S SOME, IF THERE'S SOMETHING, WAS ANY DEVELOPER ON A PROPERTY HONOR, YES, THAT WOULD BE FOR THEM TO, FOR THEM TO WORK OUT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN A PURCHASE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH.

I OBJECT TO HAVING THE LAW DIRECTOR PREPARE ANYTHING FOR MORATORIUM SINCE WE KNOW A BUSINESS AND FOR THE CITY FOR A MORATORIUM.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, I KNOW YOU'VE ASKED FOR SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION, UH, FROM BRIAN, UH, TO PREPARE FOR COUNSEL.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS, UM, AND THEN RICHARD HAS ASKED THE LAW DIRECTOR TO PREPARE A, A DOCUMENT.

UM, THERE IS NO PENDING ANNEXATION AGREEMENT BEFORE COUNSEL TO, TO DECIDE ON, SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT, I'LL JUST ASK IF THERE IS A MAJORITY OF COUNSEL, AS I ALWAYS DO, TO OBJECT TO WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED AT THIS POINT.

UM, IF THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO, UM, TO THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED OF THE CITY MANAGER AND THE LAW DIRECTOR, THEN UH, WE WOULD GET THAT INFORMATION AND REVIEW IT AT A, AT A FUTURE MEETING.

IF THERE IS A MAJORITY OBJECTION, THEN THERE WON'T BE.

SO KATE HAS EXPRESSED AN OBJECTION.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? UH, I, I GUESS I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ASKING OUR, OUR STAFF AND, AND PAYING OUR LAWYER TO GET IN INFORMATION ON A SUBJECT THAT IS NOT BEFORE US.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL VERY GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, WOULD BE ASKED AT A TIME IF A ANOTHER ANNEXATION COMES BEFORE US, AND NOT NOW.

I JUST, WE'VE, WE'VE LOADED OUR STAFF AND THE LAWYER AND, AND ERIN, EVERYONE ELSE WITH WORK THAT, UH, THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY.

UM, AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT IMPACTING OTHER EFFORTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

SO, UM, YEAH, THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT SINCE THE ANNEXATION ISN'T BEFORE US, I, I JUST DON'T, I, I DON'T SUPPORT, UM, PAYING OUR LEGAL COST AND, AND THEN PUTTING AN EXTRA BURDEN ON, ON THE, UH, STAFF MAYOR.

OR GROUPS OF PARCELS IN THE FUTURE.

MARK.

BRIAN, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE REQUEST THAT'S ASKED OF YOU WITH ESTIMATING THE, UM, WITH ESTIMATING THE EXPENSE AND THE COST AND THOSE THINGS? UH, SURE.

UM, WE CAN'T REALLY DO IT, AND THE REASON THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END GAME IS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.

EVERY DEVELOPMENT COMES WITH A DIFFERENT DENSITY.

IT COMES WITH, UH, DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.

IT COMES WITH DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO IT, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THROUGH, UM, STRAIGHT ZONING OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THROUGH PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFIC PROVISIONS THAT ARE PUT ON BY, UH, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

SO, UM, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END USE IS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO SEVERAL HUNDRED ACRES OF FARMLAND, WHICH IS WHAT THAT CURRENTLY IS, WE, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT INFOR, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT INFORMATION BASED ON THE EXISTING INFORMATION THAT, UM, THE, THE DATA THAT WOULD BE ON FILE WITH MIAMI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR WITH THE BETHEL FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THOSE PARTICULAR AGENCIES, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO OUR RESEARCH FROM.

BUT ULTIMATELY TO CALCULATE HOW MANY OFFICERS WE WOULD NEED, UH, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTER AND PARAMEDIC PERSONNEL WE NEED TO ADD, OR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES, THOSE WOULD ALL BE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CALCULATE BASED ON AND KNOWN END GAME, WHICH WOULD BE THE PROPOSALS THAT WE WOULD SEE FROM DEVELOPERS INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING EACH ONE OF THOSE PARCELS

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SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSE ON, UM, ON THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S IT GONNA COST OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT BE TO THE CITY? WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

WE CAN CALCULATE BASED ON WHAT'S THERE, BUT THE FUTURE IS UNKNOWN BECAUSE THE PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

I MEAN, ALL THOSE PARCELS HAVE TO BE REZONED, AND I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT GOES INTO THAT.

SO I, I CAN'T THINK OF A WAY THAT STAFF WRIGHT WOULD BE ABLE TO CALCULATE THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY ACCURACY.

THANKS.

GLENN, JUST A QUICK COMMENT, MAYOR, I, I'M, AND I DON'T NEED A RESPONSE, BUT, UM, WHAT I HEARD WAS, UM, THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T POSSIBLY DO THAT WITHOUT ANY REAL ACCURACY.

HOWEVER, WE SEEM TO DO JUST FINE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, ESTIMATE INCOME IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.

SO THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? UH, YEAH, MA'AM.

DON, I, I GUESS I'M GONNA HAVE TO, UM, UH, AGREE WITH WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM BRIAN.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD UNTIL WE HAVE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE.

I, WE DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, WE HAD SOME PROJECTED INCOME, UH, ESTIMATES BASED ON THE ANNEXATION THAT WAS BEFORE US PREVIOUSLY.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL SEE COME JANUARY OR IF WE'LL SEE SOMETHING COME JANUARY.

SO I DON'T SEE A LOT OF SENSE IN DEVOTING STAFF HOURS TO DETERMINING WHAT IFS WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THAT WHAT THAT IF IS GONNA BE.

SO I'LL JOIN ANY OBJECTION.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO, TO BURDEN STAFF AT THIS, THIS TIME, ANY, THE DISCUSSION OR OBJECTION.

THREE IS NOT A MAJORITY.

SO BRIAN, UM, WHATEVER YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER.

BA YES, MARK, BASED ON WHAT, UH, BRIAN SAID, I WOULDN'T AGREE TO INSTRUCT HIM TO DO WHAT HE'S JUST SAID HE CAN'T DO.

SO THAT'S AN OBJECTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE FOUR OF YOU OBJECTING? UM, AT THIS POINT, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT EITHER.

BASED ON WHAT BRIAN HAS, UM, INFORMATION BRIAN HAS HAS GIVEN US, IF AND WITNESS MOVES FORWARD, THEN I WOULD EXPECT ALL THAT INFORMATION TO COME TO COME FORWARD, AND THEN THE DECISION BE MADE BASED ON INFORMATION WE HAVE THAT TIME MAKES SENSE PRESSURE.

UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE INFORMATION THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR WILL BE SUPPLYING FOR ME WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

UH, THE TIMELINE I BELIEVE WOULD BE FINE.

UH, OKAY.

I, I, I, I, IF, IF IT STAYED FOR FOUR, I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO A TIMELINE, UM, ON A WORD DOCUMENT ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, I, I GUESS, BUT SIR, YOU'RE JUST GONNA ASSUME A CERTAIN SUBMISSION TIMEFRAME.

I MEAN, I DON'T WHAT, AND, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR MR. MONTGOMERY.

DO YOU THINK THAT, UM, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION YOU COULD HAVE THAT ONE PAGE WORD DOCUMENT OF A TIMELINE OF IT'S SUBMITTED, IT GOES TO THIS STEP, IT GOES TO THIS STEP DAYS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE HAVE, WE CAN DISCUSS AT THAT NEXT WORK SESSION.

YEAH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING BY THEN.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, SINCE THE AGENDA ITEM IS RELATING TO A TYPE TWO ANNEXATION, I'M PRESUMING THAT'S THE TIMELINE YES.

THAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN, CORRECT? YES.

AND, AND, AND I WOULD ASSUME, AND MR. MCGOVERN, IF YOU COULD AGREE OR DISAGREE THAT THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE ABLE TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN A SHORT ORDER.

IT WOULDN'T TAKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE, 10 PLUS HOURS OF STAFF TIME.

IT WOULD BE VERY QUICKLY TO PUT TOGETHER, YEAH.

I MEAN, QUICKLY IN THE LEGAL SENSE OF THINGS, CORRECT? YES.

MAYBE ONE DAY WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT QUICKLY THE LEGAL SENSE IS, BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO FROM A, FROM A DISCUSSION PERSPECTIVE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANNEXATION IN FRONT OF US.

SO I'M, I'M NOT OBJECTING AT ALL TO THE LETTER OR THE TIMEFRAME PUT TOGETHER THAT THE LAW DIRECTOR COULD DISTRIBUTE TO COUNSEL, BUT FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION DISCUSSION, JUST TO TALK ABOUT A TIMELINE.

THE TIMELINE IS WHAT IT IS.

IT'S BLACK AND WHITE.

THIS IS THE DATES, THIS IS THE TIMES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION AROUND THAT.

AND IF HE SENDS IT TO US, THAT'LL BE A PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT ANYONE CAN LOOK AT.

SO, UM, SO I WOULD OBJECT TO HAVING ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT A TIMELINE ON A WORK SESSION WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF US.

BUT I DO NOT OBJECT TO HIM ACTUALLY PUTTING THE LETTER OF THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER.

I AGREE.

THERE'S A NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING, TONY.

TO CONSIDER THE SALE OR OTHER DISPOSITION OF UNNEEDED PROPERTY BY COMPETITIVE BID FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION.

SO I HAD, UH, INFORMED MOST OF THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TWO REASONS.

I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY THE CITY MANAGER THAT, UH, A THIRD REASON IS NECESSARY.

SO, UH, CURRENTLY I WOULD HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION

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AND THIRDLY, FOR PREPARING FOR CONDUCTING OR REVIEWING NEGOTIATIONS OR BARGAINING SESSIONS WITH PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CONCERNING THEIR COMPENSATION OR OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT.

CHAIR MOTION.

UH, BEFORE I MOTION, UM, WOULD I BE ABLE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONALLY, A DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, CITY MANAGER SEARCH OR HOWEVER THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WORRIED, I WOULD ASSUME TO, UH, CONSIDER THE EMPLOYMENT AND APPOINTMENT OF APPLICANTS FOR CITY, UH, FOR HUB, RIGHT.

CITY MANAGER POSITION? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE FOUR REASONS, CORRECT? UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND.

WAIT A MINUTE.

HANG ON A SECOND.

WHAT IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH ONE OF THOSE? UH, THEN YOU WOULD VOTE DOWN THE MOTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU AND, UM, THEN THERE'D HAVE TO BE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THAT FOR THE OTHER REASONS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GET AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR IT.

SO WE'D HAVE TO VOTE DOWN THE FOUR.

THE FOUR, OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY'VE ALL BEEN GROUPED TOGETHER.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO VOTE ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BREAK IT DOWN.