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IT.[ AGENDA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION City Hall - Council Chambers 6131 Taylorsville Road July 11, 2023 6:00 P.M. ]
I SHOULD CALL MEETING THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS, PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? HERE.
MR. WALTON? UH, HERE I HAVE NO OPENING REMARKS.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON THE DAIS? HEARING NONE.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS NOT PERTAINING TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
IN HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, WITH SWEARING OF WITNESSES, I ANNOUNCE IN THE ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANY ANYONE WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK OR GIVE TESTIMONY REGARDING THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.
SO I ASK EVERYONE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, RESPOND I DO.
TO THE FOLLOWING OATH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? SO HELP YOU GOD, PLEASE BE SEATED.
I ALSO ASK WHEN SOMEONE STANDS TO THE PODIUM TO GIVE THEIR NAME AND SIGN IN ON THE SIGN-IN SHEET.
PROVIDED, UH, FIRST ITEM IS, UH, UNDER PENDING BUSINESS.
THE APPLICANT, THE CITY HUBER HEIGHTS, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A TEXT AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT PERTAINING TO CHAPTER 1181 DASH 20.
BUILDING MATERIALS FOR DWELLINGS TA 23 DASH 14 A.
MR. SORELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRPERSON, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AARON SORELL, CITY, HUBER HEIGHTS.
SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM, UH, LAST MONTH, UM, MEETING REGARDING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UH, THE DIRECTION THAT I WAS GIVEN WAS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, CLEAR AND A LITTLE BIT MORE PRACTICAL.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR DWELLINGS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING CODE, UH, IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, WHETHER IT'S IN A P U D OR UM, UH, STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, UH, ARE IN A AGRICULTURE OR R ONE THROUGH R FIVE, UM, YOU ARE REQUIRED IF YOU'RE BUILDING A ONE-STORY BUILDING TO FULLY WRAP IT IN BRICK.
UH, AND IF IT'S A MULTI-STORY BUILDING, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, EXCUSE ME, UNDER, UH, PUD ZONING.
IT'S REALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ULTIMATELY, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE CHANGE, UH, IS ONE TO DEFINE MASONRY AS FULL DEPTH OR CULTURED BRICK OR STONE.
UM, OTHER MATER MATERIALS CAN BE USED ON NON MASONARY WALL SURFACES.
UH, WE ALSO SET A STANDARD FOR, UH, VINYL THICKNESS, UH, AND ALLOW, UM, INSULATED VITAL SIDING.
THE PROPOSED, UH, COVERAGE IS FOR, UH, STRAIGHT ZONED AREAS TO, UH, REDUCE IT TO 24 20 5% OF THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR FACADE, WHICH HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE APPROVED IN MY TIME.
UM, ONE IN TWO FAMILY STRUCTURES, IT WOULD BE 25% OF THE FRONT FACADE, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
IT'D BE 10% OF THE AGGREGATE WALL SURFACE.
SO ALL FOUR SIDES WOULD, UH, WOULD BE WRAPPED IN BRICK, BUT IT WOULD BE 10% OF THE AGGREGATE, UH, WALL SERVICE.
UH, AS FOR ALL P U D AREAS, UH, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THERE ARE, UH, SOME GUIDELINES AS FAR AS, UH, ESTABLISHING THOSE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, AND, AND ONE IS CONSIDERING THE TYPES OF LOCATION, THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE A MIX OF BUILDING FACADES AND DISCOURAGE, UH, MO UH, MOUNTAINOUS, UH, BUILDING REPETITION.
UH, AND THEN AS, AS WE'LL SEE IN THIS LATER CASE, UH, ENCOURAGE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF FULL DEATH BRICK OR CULTURED STONE IN AREAS THAT ARE, UM, HIGH TRACK TRAFFIC AREAS, MAJOR PUBLIC STREETS AND THOROUGHFARES, UH, AND THEN LESS STONE IF YOU GET BACK INTO, INTO THE CAMPUS AREA.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SECOND, UH, SHOT OF, UH, OF CH OF ADDRESSING THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
UH, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, MS. VARGO? CAN YOU TELL ME HOW WE CAN AVOID HAVING ALL OF THE NON BRICK FACADE IN THE FINAL PHASE OF ANY CONSTRUCTION AREA? SAY THAT AGAIN, I'M NOT BEING VERY CLEAR.
I KNOW, UM, IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT HAS SEVERAL PHASES MM-HMM.
SO WHAT WE DID, UH, OR WHAT I DID ON THIS, UH, SECOND, UM, ITERATION IS ELIMINATED THE
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PHRASE THAT WE WOULD AGGREGATE IT BY THE DEVELOPMENT.SO WE WILL HAVE, UM, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WOULD SET KIND OF THE, THE, THE THRESHOLD.
AND THEN FOR EACH DETAILED DEVELOPMENT OR SECTION THAT COMES IN THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AS I SEE IT WOULD BE EITHER 25% OR 10%.
SO AT EACH SECTION, UM, FOR THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND EACH DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD BE HELD TO THAT, THAT STANDARD.
SO THAT THERE IS, I JUST DIDN'T FIND THAT, WHERE THAT WAS IN HERE.
SO I ELIMINATED THE AGGREGATE OF ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE CARRIAGE TRAILS IS, AND SO EACH SECTION WILL BE TAKEN AS ITS OWN SECTION, WHICH IS EASIER FOR ENFORCING AS WELL.
AND EACH SECTION WILL HAVE A PORTION OF THE, THE BRICK.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THAT IS? I, I LOOKED FOR IT AND I JUST DIDN'T.
UNDER SECTION C, UM, SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO, FAMILY DEVELOPMENT FRONT FACADE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED, IF NOT LESS THAN 25% FULL DEPTH BRICK CULTURED BRICK STONE OR CULTURED STONE.
ORIGINALLY, WHAT THE DRAFT SAID WAS THAT, UM, 25% ACROSS THE, OF THE AGGREGATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION STILL HAS FLEXIBILITY FOR IF WE EVER DO ANOTHER PROJECT THE SIZE OF CARRIAGE TRAILS, WHICH I THINK WE'RE UP TO LIKE 16 SECTIONS NOW.
UM, BUT FOR YOUR RUN OF THE MILL SUBDIVISION, THIS IS PROBABLY ADEQUATE.
SO I, I WOULD JUST IN RESPONSE TO JAN'S COMMENT, I THINK UNDER THE DEFINITIONS WHERE IT SAYS DWELLING, THAT'S WHERE IT HELPS TO CLARIFY A, B, AND C, THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A, A BUILDING OR A PORTION THEREOF RATHER THAN THE AGGREGATE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT THAT CLARITY.
UH, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, AARON, ON THE E F I S, UM, I THINK THAT, AND I MAY BE WRONG HERE, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE E I F S EXTERIOR INSULATION FINISHING SYSTEM.
UM, COULD WE DISPEL THAT OUT INSTEAD OF WELL, EITHER WAY.
EXTERIOR FINISHED, INSULATED SYSTEM.
SO COULD WE JUST NOT ABBREVIATE THAT? WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
AND WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR? UH, IT'S BASICALLY, UM, STUCCO ON STYROFOAM.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S STYROFOAM, UH, WITH A, A MESH AND THEN STUCCO ACROSS IT.
IT'S WHAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, OTHER THAN'S ON FRONT OF THIS BUILDING'S BRICK.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT GRADES OF EPHI, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANT TO, I MEAN, WE CAN GET TO THE REAL WEEDS OF THAT.
I THOUGHT THE TEXT WAS WELL CONSTRUCTED.
AARON, JUST A QUESTION I DIDN'T THINK OF WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT DO WE HAVE ANYTHING WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OR PREPARE FOR IN THE EVENT OF LIKE A REBUILD IN AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO LET'S SAY A HOUSE IS A TOTAL LOSS IN CHARLES GATE AND NEEDS TO BE REBUILT, BUT IF IT'S UNDER THE NEW STANDARDS VERSUS THE OLD STANDARDS KIND OF STICKS OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THERE? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING MAINLY NEW BUILDS, RIGHT? AND LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T THINK OF IT WHEN WE HAD THE INITIAL DISCUSSION AND YEAH.
THE, UM, THE OLD TEXT EXEMPTED OLDER SUBDIVISIONS FROM, FROM THIS, UM, BUILDING REQUIREMENT, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A TOTAL LOSS, UH, AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT BRICK WRAP, THE, THE, YOU COULD EITHER BUILD BACK AT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL WRAP OR THIS STANDARD, IT WOULD REALLY BE THE CHOICE OF, UH, THE HOME BUILDER.
RIGHT? DO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHERE THEY WOULD NEED TO REBUILD AT THE, TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? OR IS THAT NOT FOR US TO WORRY ABOUT? CAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE'RE DOING ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, AS WE DO DEVELOPMENTS, WE'RE KEEPING CONSISTENCY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN THIS CASE, UNDER A REBUILD WHERE WE'RE IGNORING THE CONSISTENCY AT THAT POINT.
SO I THINK WHERE WE'VE, WHERE IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE HAS NOT NECESSARILY BEEN REBUILT AFTER A, A COMPLETE LOSS.
IT'S BEEN ADDITIONS WHERE THE HOMEOWNER DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD THE, THE ENTIRE ADDITION AS FULL BRICK.
AND WHAT WE HAVE, UM, ALLOWED IN THE PAST THROUGH BZA IS ESSENTIALLY THE FRONT FACADE BEING THAT WRAP, AND THEN THE, THE SIDE AND BACK BEING VINYL, WHICH WOULD SORT OF GET TO WHERE WE WOULD BE WITH THIS.
I, I THINK THE POTENTIAL IS THERE TO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT, THAT ONE TOOTH, UH, THAT KIND OF LOOKS A LITTLE GOOFY MM-HMM.
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UM, I CAN THINK OF ONE EXCEPTION OF A HOUSE I BELIEVE THAT BURNED DOWN AND WAS REBUILT TOTALLY VINYL, AND IT WAS IN AN OLDER, I THINK UP HERE ON BY STONE HURST.UH, WOULD, WOULD THAT STILL APPLY? THEY CAN, THEY CAN BILL ALL VINYL MM-HMM.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO, THEY WOULD'VE TO FOLLOW THROUGH THIS EVEN ON THE REBUILD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? LET ME PIGGYBACK OFF THAT.
SO IF I GO UNDER EXCEPTIONS NUMBER TWO, EXPLAIN HOW THAT FIRST SENTENCE WOULD NOT PERMIT THAT TOTAL VINYL REBUILD THAT JAN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE, UH, I MEANT TO TAKE THAT OUT.
BECAUSE THERE WAS A WHOLE SET OF EXCEPTIONS, AND THIS IS THE ONE I I MISSED.
SO SHOULD THAT SENTENCE BE STRICKEN THEN? THE FIRST ONE? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
OR THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE EXCEPTION.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I WOULD JUST, UH, STRIKE RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE I THINK ROOM ADDITIONS AND, UM, ADDITIONS SHOULD FOLLOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE CURRENT, UH, HOME LOOKS LIKE.
SO RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE YEAH.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? OKAY.
IS THERE A, UH, AARON, YOU'RE GONNA JUST CHANGE THAT ON THE STAFF REPORT.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT ON THE DECISION RECORD, CORRECT? YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE ON THE DECISION RECORD.
I WILL JUST AMEND THE, WHAT WE TALKED REPORT.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR AN APPROVAL OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS TA 23 DASH 14 A IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 5TH, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
I MAKE COMMISSION, UH, MOVED BY, UH, MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, PLEASE FOLLOW THE ROLL.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, UNDER NEW BUSINESS, THE MINOR CHANGE.
THE APPLICANT, KELLY KOONS, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR SEASONS ENCLOSED PATIO PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 54 20 BRANT PIKE MC 23 DASH 16.
SO THE, UH, SITE SEVEN POINT, OR EXCUSE ME, 6.7 ACRES, UH, IT'S ZONED PLAN, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BUILDINGS AND GROUND PPP.
UH, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS THE FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS AMVETS POST 4 64.
UH, THE ZONING SURROUNDING ZONING IS PLANNED COMMERCIAL AND PP TO THE NORTH R FIVE ACROSS THE, UH, R FIVE TO THE EAST TO THE WEST, R FOUR AND PLANNED COMMERCIAL.
AND TO THE SOUTH IS ADDITIONALLY COMMERCIAL, AS YOU SAID.
THEY, UH, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CONSTRUCT A 300 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOUR SEASON ADDITION.
SO THIS IS THE SITE, UH, THE AMVETS IS TUCKED PRETTY FAR, UH, OFF OF, OF BRANT BEHIND THE GAS STATION.
UH, THERE'S A CELL TOWER TO THE NORTH.
EFFECTIVELY THE ADDITION IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT HERE IT'S 10 BY 30.
UM, IT IS ESSENTIALLY GLASS ENCLOSURE.
UH, THERE ARE TWO, UH, OVERHEAD DOORS ON EACH END.
UH, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY, UH, FUNCTIONAL, UH, ADDITION.
UH, THE APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS ARE CHAPTER 1171 AND 1174.
UH, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UH, DISTRICT FRATERNAL USES OR FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS ARE APPENDED USE, UH, THE ADDITION MEETS ALL SETBACK AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT IS NECESSARY.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS ENLARGEMENT REPRESENTS ABOUT 2% OF THE EXISTING FLOOR AREA, AND SO NO OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE, UH, MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH NO CONDITIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. JEFF?
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YES.I'M ASSUMING OUTDOOR SEATING IS GONNA BE THE GOAL.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, CAUSE I KNOW FIRE HAD TALKED ABOUT FIRE SAFETY ON THEIR SIDE, BUT ON THE INTERNAL, I MEAN, IS, IS 30, IS 10 FEET REALLY GONNA BE WIDE ENOUGH IF WE'RE TALKING SEATING AND ALL THAT? OR WITH, SO I THINK IT'S A SMOKING ROOM IS REALLY WHAT IT IS.
UH, AND THE EXTERIOR DOORS ON EITHER END ARE, ARE ADEQUATE FOR, UH, FIRE EGRESS.
DIDN'T, DIDN'T SAY THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT, UH, IS I WAS JUST CON I MEAN, IF IT'S, WE'RE GONNA PUT TABLES OUT THERE AND BE LIKE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING EXPANDED SEATING YEAH.
PUTTING TABLES IN PLUS MANEUVERABILITY, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION.
BUT IF IT'S THAT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
SO THEN THAT'D BE MORE FIRE AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? YEAH, THE BUILDING, WHEN THE BUILDING, UH, WHEN THEY GO TO SUBMIT BUILDING, UM, UH, UH, PERMITS, THEY WILL LOOK IF AGAIN, UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ADD A WHOLE LOT OF, OF, OF PERSON LOAD ON A 300 SQUARE FEET.
BUT IT'LL STILL REQUIRE A CHECK OF THE NUMBER OF, UM, RESTROOM FACILITIES AND ADEQUATE EGRESS FOR THESE TWO ENDS.
MR. CASSIDY, JUST TO THE NORTH, THERE IS A ACCESS ROAD TO THAT CELL TOWER.
IS THIS ROOM GONNA IMPACT THAT ROAD? NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? EVERYONE'S QUIET TONIGHT.
UM, IS THERE A, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, KELLY KOONS FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR CHANGE TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR SEASONS ENCLOSED PATIO PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 54 20 BRANT PIKE CASE MC 23 DASH 16 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 5TH, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
SECRETARY, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MR. JEFFRIES? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. C? UH, WE WILL, UH, UH, SEND THE DECISION ORDER TO THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS, UH, FREE TO APPLY FOR ZONING AND BUILDING PERMITS NOW, RIGHT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A RELA, THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO VACATE NORTHGATE ROAD, NORTH OF WAYNE GATE ROAD, RP 23 DASH 18, MR. LL? YES.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL TO VACATE THORN GATE DRIVE, WHICH IS, UH, STUB STREET NORTH OF, UH, WAYNE GATE.
IT'S A REMNANTS OF THE PUBLIC.
ONCE IT'S VACATED, THE REMNANTS OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, IT IS TO NOTE WE ARE ACTIVELY IN THE PROCESS OF TEARING UP THE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE WILL BE, UM, IN CONSTRUCTING THE SIDEWALK GOING, UH, ACROSS, UH, THAT AS WELL FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, AS FAR AS, UH, THE APPLICABLE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UM, THE, IT IS, UH, 11, EXCUSE ME, 1107 FINAL PLAT, UH, A VACATION, A RIGHT OF WAY IS GOVERNED BY O R C, UH, SEVEN 11.39 BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PROCEDURES IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO VACATE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO, BUT UNDER STATE LAW, VACATING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THE PLATTING COMMISSION, WHICH IS ALSO YOU, UH, AND ALSO, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE STUB OF, UH, THORN GATE, UH, THORN GATE DRIVE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE USED TO BE, UM, RIGHT AWAY HERE AS WELL, BUT AT ONE POINT IN TIME IT WAS VACATED.
SO YOU HAVE TWO SMALLER LOTS, UH, IN THE REAR WHEN THE SUB, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THE IDEA WAS TO EXTEND THIS, TO CONNECT TO, TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO THE SUBDIVISION OF THE NORTH, UM, THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
AND SO YOU'RE LEFT WITH, UH, THIS SUB STREET, WHICH IS CAUSING SOME FLOODING ISSUES, UH, IN THE REAR.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THESE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE THE SECTION ABOVE OR THE SUBDIVISION ABOVE WAS NEVER CONNECTED.
UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE PLAT OR THE, THE, THE PLAN.
THE, UH, SECTION TO THE LEFT WILL BE DEEDED OVER TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER, AND THIS SECTION WILL BE DEED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE EAST.
UH, THE VACATION IS BEING INITIATED BY THE CITY AT THE REQUEST OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WHO
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HAVE, LIKE I SAID, CONSISTENT, UH, FLOODING ISSUES.UH, THE STUB HAS NO MUNICIPAL FUNCTION.
UH, THE CONNECTION TO THE NORTHERN SUBDIVISION WAS NEVER COMPLETED.
UH, AND WE ARE REMOVING THE ROAD BED FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL IS SUBMITTED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MS. FARGO, THIS IS A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
YEAH, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN OUR REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE THEM, UH, REPLAT THIS.
UM, BUT IT JUST GOES ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL OWN BOTH, BUT WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THAT REPLAT.
AND WILL THIS BE FULLY RESTORED, GRASS SEED PUT DOWN AND IT'LL LOOK LIKE IT WAS NEVER THERE? CORRECT.
AND I'M, I'M SURE THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY YES, BUT JUST WANNA CONFIRM, SINCE THEY SAID THERE'S BEEN CONSISTENT FLOODING ISSUES, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT TAKING THIS OUT AND GRADING IT THE WAY IT IS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT FLOODING ISSUE ON THE OTHER LOT.
I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT IT WILL SOLVE ALL ISSUES, BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY REMOVE THE, THE IMPERVIOUS ASPHALT AND SIDEWALK, UH, SECTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HERE.
UM, SO THERE, THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL GRADING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE IF, IF THIS WERE TO SETTLE.
BUT, UM, IT, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE HEARING NOW? ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
UH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT HERE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT AT THE CITY OF HUBER HEIGHTS FOR APPROVAL TO VACATE THORN GATE ROAD, NORTH OF WAYNE GATE ROAD, CASE RP 23 DASH 18, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 5TH, 2023 IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. CASSIDY? SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS LTD, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PROPOSED NEW 312 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, OR PROJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, DDP 23 DASH EIGHT 19.
WELL, THE QUICK ONES ARE OVER
SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS SITE BEFORE.
UH, THIS IS, UH, 25.3 ACRES ZONED PLANNED MIXED USE.
RIGHT NOW, THE SITE IS VACANT LAND, UH, TO THE WEST IS ZONED I ONE TO THE NORTH.
R SEVEN, UH, WHICH IS OUR DENSE, MOST DENSE STRAIGHT ZONE, UH, DISTRICT.
TO THE EAST IS, UH, PLAN MIXED USE.
UH, ALSO THE, THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL FOR 312 UNIT APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT CALLED REVERB.
UM, WHAT THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL ENCOMPASS, UH, MOST OF THIS, UH, WESTERN, UH, AREA.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, THERE IS A FOUR, ROUGHLY FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF ACRE, UM, UH, SITE HERE THAT WILL BE RESERVED FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON FEBRUARY 14TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE REZONING AND THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON APRIL 11TH.
IT IS A MIXTURE OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM, UH, UNIT APARTMENTS.
THERE ARE, UM, SIGNIFICANT ONSITE RESIDENT AMENITIES, UH, VERY COMPLIMENTARY, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
AS I SAID, THE COMMERCIAL AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED IN A LATER PHASE.
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PROPOSED PROJECT DESIGN STANDARDS ARE NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS.THIS WAS THE, UH, BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.
THE, THE ONLY REAL CHANGES WERE, OR ARE THAT THE GARAGE SPACING.
UH, THEY'D BEEN MOVED A LITTLE BIT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE THEM MORE CONVENIENT TO, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
SO, AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN STANDARDS, UH, THE USES WERE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN IS, UH, WHAT IS, UH, ALLOWED BY THE, UM, PLANNED, UH, MIXED USE DISTRICT.
UM, IT LIMITS THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO 320 UNITS.
UH, AND IT ALSO PROHIBITS USES SUCH AS CONVENIENCE STORES, GAS STATIONS, OUTDOOR SALES, UH, AND STORAGE, AND OTHER AUTO UH, ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS.
THERE WERE TWO CONDITIONS ON THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN STANDARDS.
ONE, THAT THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING REGULATIONS, OR THOSE THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION ON JANUARY 30TH.
AND TWO, THAT THE NORTHERN, UH, PROPERTY BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE DETERMINED, UH, DURING THIS PHASE, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW, BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE QUESTIONS ON WHAT WOULD, HOW MUCH GRADING WAS GOING TO, UH, NEED TO TAKE PLACE.
THE, THERE'S A LONG LINE OF MATURE TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE ASKED TO BE, UH, DEVELOPER SURVEY THOSE TREES.
AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO SET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE, UM, SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE NOW SINCE BEEN ANSWERED.
SO HERE IS THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SITE.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, UH, ARE A 25 FOOT SETBACK ON THE E, UH, WEST, NORTH, AND EAST, UH, AREAS, UH, ALONG WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK ON, ON THE FRONT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORIGINALLY HAD GARAGES THAT WERE ESSENTIALLY EQUALLY SPACED OUT ALONG THE, UH, THE LINE, THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
THEY'VE BEEN MOVED AROUND A LITTLE BIT, SOMEWHAT DUE TO TOPOGRAPHY, SOMEWHAT DUE TO JUST BEING, UH, UH, BETTER SPACE FOR RESIDENT, UM, UH, USE AND EFFECTIVENESS.
UH, THERE IS, THE DEVELOPER IS, UH, MAINTAINING THE 70 FOOT WIDE STREAM BED.
UH, AND THEY ARE PRESERVING, UH, A SIGNIFICANT ALMOST ALL OF THE TREES, UH, THAT ALL OF THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF, UH, TREES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT 25 FOOT, UH, SETBACK.
JUST, UH, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, UM, VIEW, CUZ THESE ARE HARD TO SEE.
UH, YOU CAN, THIS IS THE 25 FOOT SETBACK.
THERE ARE, UH, TWO RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
UH, ONE IS ALONG HERE, UH, SO THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT GRADING FOR THE PARKING AND THE GARAGES.
UH, THE TREE LINE ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WILL BE MAINTAINED.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREE LINE ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT THE TREE LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE.
WHERE THESE TREES ARE GONNA BE REMOVED, UH, IS BECAUSE OF A RETAIN, A RETAINING WALL THAT WILL BE BUILT, UH, HERE AS WELL, WHICH I'LL, I'LL GET INTO.
SO, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, AS I SAID, THERE, UH, REQUIRED A 25 FOOT OR 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
UH, THERE IS 25 FEET INDICATED ON THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE REAR AND BOTH SIDE YARD REQUIRED 25 FEET.
THERE WAS ONLY A 20 FOOT WEST SIDE, UM, SIDE YARD.
THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT WAS AN ERROR AND HAS, UH, SINCE SUBMITTED REVISED DRAWINGS THAT, UM, COMPLY WITH THIS 25 FOOT SETBACK SO THAT THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AS FAR AS SIGNAGE, UM, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN INDICATES TWO INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WALL SIGNS ON THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXAMPLES HERE.
UH, AND THEN TWO NON ILLUMINATED ENTRANCE COLUMNS OR MONUMENT SIGNS ARE PROPOSED.
UM, THEY ARE JUST, UH, THEY'RE, UH, SIX FEET HIGH AND ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE.
UM, EACH COLUMN GRAPHIC IS ABOUT THREE, UH, AND A HALF SQUARE FEET.
THE TWO WALL SIGNS TOTAL 75 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN, UH, IN SIGN AREA, WHICH IS, UH, MEETS OUR SIGN REQUIREMENTS.
I'M NOT GONNA GO DEEP INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE STANDARDS.
I'VE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE BUILDING DESIGN, THE MATERIAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT IT DOES, UH, MY CURSOR,
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MY REVIEW OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.UH, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE BUILDING MATERIALS, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING DESIGN STANDARDS APPEAR TO BE MET.
UH, THEY ARE A MIXTURE OF MATURE STONE CONCRETE PANELS, UH, LAP AND, UH, BAT AND SIDING.
UH, THERE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, UH, STONE ALONG THE EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED EARLY ON.
AND, UM, AND THIS DOES COMPLY WITH THAT.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SIGNIFICANT AMENITY PACKAGE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS, INCLUDING POOL, OUTDOOR KITCHEN, AND, UM, SOME REALLY NICE OUTDOOR GATHERING AREAS.
UM, HERE ARE SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START FROM THE REAR AND MOVE FORWARD, UH, TOWARDS EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, THESE ARE THE FRONT ELEVATIONS FOR, UH, BUILDING TYPE A, BUILDING TYPE B.
YOU CAN SEE A MIXTURE OF THE STONE PANELS OR STONE CONCRETE PANELS, A LAP SIDING.
UH, AND THEN AS YOU GET CLOSER TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, YOU GET, UM, SIGNIFICANT MORE STONE.
UM, UH, WRAP ON, ON EACH STRUCTURE.
AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, THERE ARE 40.
UH, AS FAR AS STREET TREES, THERE ARE 48 TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
AND 48 TREES ARE, ARE INDICATED ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, THE PERIMETER BUFFER, AND I'M GONNA GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DEEPLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES, IS, IS SIGNIFICANT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY WILL MEET THE 80% OPAQUENESS, UM, REQUIRED WITHIN THAT 25, UH, FOOT SETBACK WITH, WITHOUT ANY, ANY ADDITION OR ANY ISSUES AS FAR AS PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING, 55 TREES ARE REQUIRED, AND 55 ARE PROVIDED.
UH, THERE IS, UM, AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE, 25% OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED, AND 56% OF THIS SITE IS, IS OPEN SPACE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, NEARLY DOUBLE, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UH, THERE ARE 313 SHADE TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE ARE, UM, 252 NEW TREES PROPOSED ALONG WITH MAINTAINING A LOT OF THE STREAM BUFFER AREAS, THE, THE DENSE TREES, UH, ALONG THE NORTH AND, UH, AND WEST AREA.
I DON'T THINK THEY COULD PHYSICALLY PUT ANY MORE TREES, UM, ON THIS SITE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING, UM, PLAN.
UH, AND AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE AREA, A MINIMUM 4%, UH, IS REQUIRED, WHICH IS ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE PARKING AREA.
THEY'RE PROPOSING JUST UNDER 11,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENTS THAT REQUIRE THAT CONFORM TO OUR LANDSCAPING, UM, REQUIREMENTS, THIS IS ONE THAT MEETS ALL OF THEM, UH, AND IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMPLIANT OF, OF ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT, THAT I'VE WORKED ON HERE.
UH, THE LIGHTING PLAN, UM, INDICATES PEDESTRIAN SCALE, UH, DECORATIVE POLES, AND, UH, LUMINARIES.
UH, THESE FIXTURES WILL BE MOUNTED ON 12 FOOT HIGH POLES.
THE LIGHTING STANDARDS, UH, LIMIT LIGHT PRESS LIGHT TRESPASS TO NO MORE THAN HALF A FOOT CANDLE.
UH, THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED INDICATES THAT, UH, THERE IS LIGHT TRESPASS ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN THE PLAN, WHEN THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN WAS RUN, IT DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, NORTHERN SHIELDS ON THE LUMINARIES.
SO WE ARE ACQUIRING AS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT SHIELD THE PERIMETER FIXTURES ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE TO ELIMINATE THAT LIGHT TRESPASS, UH, TO THE, TO THE NORTH.
UH, AND THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY LITTLE SHIELDS THAT'LL SLIP IN, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, OF THIS LUMINARY, WHICH WILL BLOCK, UH, ANY OF THE DIRECT LIGHT FROM THE, FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, UH, PROPERTY LINES NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, EXCUSE ME.
THE ONLY CHANGE, UH, WITH REGARDS TO STREET AND TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS AND, AND THE, THIS WAS INITIATED BY BOTH US AND THE DEVELOPER ORIGINALLY.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN CALLED FOR A 10 FOOT, EXCUSE ME, 10 FOOT MULTI-USE PATH.
WE'VE, UH, REDUCED THAT TO EIGHT FEET.
UM, FOR ONE MAIN REASON IS THAT WE WANT TO PUT DECORATIVE LIGHTING, UH, ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, AND THIS PROVIDES, SHRINKING IT BY TWO FEET, PROVIDES US THE CITY, UH, AN EASIER WAY TO PUT DECORATIVE LIGHT POLES, UH, DOWN EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WITHOUT BASICALLY HAVING TO TEAR UP, UM, TWO FEET OF WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, CONSTRUCTED.
THERE'S ALSO SOME FIRE HYDRANTS THAT ARE IN THE WAY.
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THAT ARE IN THE WAY.UM, REDUCING IT TO EIGHT FEET GIVES EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT MORE PLAY.
UM, SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE BUILD OUT EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DECORATIVE LIGHTING, THIS ALSO MATCHES THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
THE, THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE ROSE IS, IS EIGHT FEET WIDE.
SO THE SECOND CONDITION WAS AT THE NORTHERN PROPERTY.
BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE DETERMINED DURING THIS, UH, REVIEW.
THE PLANS INDICATE ONLY EIGHT TREES WITHIN THAT 25 FOOT SETBACK, OR I SHOULD SAY EIGHT, EIGHT SIGNIFICANT TREES WITHIN THAT, UM, SETBACK ARE BEING REMOVED.
UM, WHICH HONESTLY SURPRISED ME IN A GOOD WAY.
UM, THEY ARE CLUSTERED, AS I MENTIONED, IN THE AREAS WHERE TWO RETAINING WALLS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED.
UH, NO TREES ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES ARE INDICATED, UH, TO BE REMOVED.
UM, AND SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE THE BUFFERING.
THESE ARE HARD TO SEE, BUT THIS IS THE LIMITS OF THE EXISTING TREE LINE.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE'S A TREE HERE, UH, A TREE HERE THAT WOULD BE REMOVED ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE BASICALLY ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
UH, AND THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT COMES BACK, UH, BEHIND THE, UM, THE GARAGE AND THE PARKING AREA.
UH, AND THEN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UH, PLANTED ON THE SOUTH SOUTHERN SIDE OF THAT 25 FOOT, UH, BUFFER.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, ON THE DEC ON THE EVERGREEN TREES, A MINIMUM, UH, HEIGHT, THAT PLANTING OF SIX FEET, UH, AND A CAL A MINIMUM CALIBER FOR THE DECIDUOUS TREES OF THREE INCHES, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN WE USUALLY SEE.
THE, USUALLY WE USUALLY SEE A ONE AND A HALF INCH CALIPER.
UM, DECIDUOUS TREES ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S A CLUSTER OF TREES.
UH, THERE ARE SIX TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED, UH, HERE.
SO A LITTLE CLUSTER HERE AND A CUP AND TWO HERE, ALONG WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A TRIMMING OF THE, UH, TREE LINE.
UH, ALL OF THESE TREES, UH, WOULD BE, UH, PLANTED BACK.
UH, THERE IS A RETAIN, A RETAINING WALL THAT COMES BACK, UH, BEHIND THE GARAGES THAT ARE, THAT ARE WHY THESE, THOSE SIX TREES NEED TO BE REMOVED.
UM, SO YOU, YOU SAW IN THE PLANS THE LANDSCAPING, UH, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND THE SCREENING AND BUFFERING, UH, IS IS SUBSTANTIAL.
THE, THERE WERE THE, THERE WERE NO FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THERE ARE, I THINK, UH, JERRY PASSED THEM OUT THERE.
ALL OF THE COMMENTS ARE, UM, FAIRLY STANDARD COMMENTS THAT WE USUALLY GET, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE, UH, DISTANCE BETWEEN FIRE HYDRANTS AND ALL OF THAT ALWAYS GETS WORKED OUT DURING, UH, PERMITTING.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, HAD ORIGINALLY WANTED 24 FOOT LANES.
UM, THEY ARE FINE WITH, EXCUSE ME, THEY ORIGINALLY WANTED 26 FOOT LANES.
UM, THEY ARE FINE WITH WHAT IS PROPOSED OF 24 FOOT WIDE LANES, UH, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO PARKVIEW, UH, DOWN THE STREET.
UM, ALL OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WERE, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER COMMENT, LET ME GO TO THE SITE PLAN HERE.
THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WE WILL WORK THROUGH IS THEY WANT TO TURN THE FIRE CODE DOESN'T LIKE STRETCHES OF A DEAD END STREET, CUZ IT'S DIFFICULT TO TURN A TRUCK AROUND AFTER THEY'VE, UH, BEEN AT THE SCENE.
UH, WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WE ARE GONNA SLIDE THIS LOOP STREET DOWN AS FAR AS WE CAN, UH, WITHOUT, UM, IMPACTING THE STREAM BANK, UH, WHICH WILL REDUCE THIS, UH, THIS DEAD END, UM, STREET SEGMENT.
UH, AND FIRE IS FINE WITH THAT.
SO, UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT REVISE THE PLANS TO PUSH THIS LOOP STREET, UH, FURTHER WEST WITHOUT IMPACTING THE, UH, THE, THE REGULATED WATERWAY.
UH, ALL OF THE CITY ENGINEER'S COMMENTS, UH, HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH, UH, WITH THESE PLANS.
SO AS FAR AS STAFF ANALYSIS, THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION CONFORMS WITH THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, IT GENERALLY CONFORMS AND REALLY SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS TO ALL RELEVANT, UH, ZONING REGULAT REGULATIONS, LANDSCAPING, PARKING, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND SIGNS.
IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 9 HAVE BEEN MET AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT
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PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL CONFORM TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN ORDINANCE THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, BY COUNSEL ON APRIL 11TH, 2023.UH, LIGHTING FIXTURES ALONG THE NORTHERN PERIMETER SCH HAVE SHIELDS INSTALLED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LUMINARY TO REDUCE LIGHT TRESPASS TO THE NORTH.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CAN TAKE, UH, FOLLOWING ACTIONS WITH A, WITH A MOTION.
ONE IS TO APPROVE THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT SAID CONDITIONS.
DENY THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THE, UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AS FAR AS, UH, PARKING SPOT COUNT? HOW DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPARE TO PARKVIEW? UH, IT'S, AS FAR AS THE RATIOS, UH, IT IS, UH, ROUGHLY THE SAME.
THERE ARE 514 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE, UH, BEING PROVIDED.
UH, SO IT IS, IT IS IN LINE WITH THE OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, APPROVING.
I ASKED BECAUSE I DID DO A BIT OF AN ONLINE SEARCH FOR REVIEWS AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MORE RELEVANT COMPLAINTS THAT CAME UP ABOUT PARKVIEW WAS, UH, PARKING WAS A CHALLENGE.
MS. BARGA, I KNOW THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD A WHOLE PAGE OF REQUIREMENTS.
SHOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN, IN OUR ACTION? UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, IT WILL BE HANDLED DURING PERMITTING ANYWAY.
UM, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I WOULD, BECAUSE THIS IS UNUSUAL TO HAVE SO MANY, AND SOME OF THEM ARE REDLINED OR RED DOTTED, I GUESS THAT MEANS THEY'RE REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY WORKED THROUGH, UH, INCLUDE, UM, THEY'RE NOT NUMBERED, BUT THE, UH, ROADS AND FIRE HYDRANTS SHALL HAVE BE A MINIMUM OF 26 FOOT IN WIDTH.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS AGREED TO 24 FEET, WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY TYPICAL.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD ALSO ADDRESSED TODAY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE LOOP STREET, WHICH IS THE COMMENT KIND OF THIRD, TWO THIRDS DOWN THAT SAYS DEAD END FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD SHALL NOT EXCEED 150 FEET WITHOUT A MEANS TO TURN AROUND.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT, THAT ROAD A LITTLE, UH, FURTHER WEST, UH, AND CUT THAT, THAT GAP.
AND SO WE'LL BE CLOSE TO THE 150 FEET.
A AND, UH, UH, I KNOW, UH, A OBSTRUCTED WIDTH OF NOT LESS THAN 20 FEET, THE ACCESS ROADS 20, UH, 24.
SO THAT, BUT THE, THE SPACING ON THE HYDRANTS THAT, THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL THAT WE SEE.
AND THAT WILL, THAT'S AN EASY, THEY, THEY'LL WORK ON THAT AS FAR AS WHEN THEY WORK ON THEIR, UH, FINAL CIVIL AND UTILITY, UM, DRAWINGS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S CHECKED OFF.
SO, AND IF WE HAVE IT IN OUR, IN OUR PART.
AARON, DO WE HAVE THE COUNT OF NUMBER OF TWO VERSUS ONE BEDROOM UNITS YOU GUYS HAVE YES, IT WAS, IT WAS ON THE PLANS.
I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE READING, BUT THAT'S FINE.
UM, I, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTED IN NINE FOOT PARKING SPACES.
I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT 10, BUT I ALSO KNOW IF WE DO 10 THEN WE'RE GONNA BE SQUEEZED FOR PARKING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WOULD CALL OUT MR. CASSIDY'S COMMENTS ABOUT PARKVIEW, IF WE COULD KEEP THAT MESSAGE RELAYED AS APPLICANTS START COMING FORWARD.
BECAUSE IN ONE, I FORGET WHICH CASE IT WAS SPECIFICALLY, IT WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME, BUT WE WERE SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT THEY USED PARKVIEW AS THE EXAMPLE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO PARKING ISSUES THERE.
BUT IF YOU TALK TO THE RESIDENTS THERE, THERE ARE ISSUES THERE AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME THREE BEDROOM BACK THERE WHICH SKEWS THE COUNT A LITTLE BIT ON, BE HIGHER ON PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF DISMISSED WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE.
THESE ARE, I THINK WHEN THESE MOSTLY ONE BEDROOM THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME TWO BEDROOMS. RIGHT.
WHICH IS KIND OF DISAPPOINTING TO THAT CUZ EVEN A ONE BEDROOM, A SINGLE PERSON WORKING FROM HOME HAS A MOBILE OFFICE NOW AS WELL.
SO I MEAN THE AMOUNT OF ONE, UM, I FIGURED WE PROBABLY HAD MORE THAN HALF AT ONE BEDROOM, WHICH IS PRETTY TRANSIENT.
UM, SO I MEAN PRETTY DEVELOPMENT AND NICE DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T WANNA KNOCK TOO MUCH OF IT, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP FROM US BEFORE ABOUT THE, THE PARKING COUNTS.
NUMBERS OF BEDROOMS. AND WHEN USING EXAMPLES LIKE PARKVIEW TO KIND OF SKEW THE STORY, WHICH
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AGAIN, THIS HAPPENED BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, IT'S NOT AN APPLES THE APPLES.I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVEYED TO FUTURE PROJECTS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, DURING THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, MOVING THE STALLS TO 10 BY 20 WOULD'VE RE RESULTED IN THE REDUCTION OF ABOUT 64 SPACES, IF I RECALL RIGHT.
WHICH I MEAN THAT, THAT'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, WELL THAT DOESN'T, AT THIS POINT, IT'S A LITTLE LATE, BUT AGAIN, DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE MONTHS BACK AND THIS, UH, THIS COMPLIES TO WHAT WAS APPROVED.
AND THEN ONE LAST, CAN YOU SHOW ME ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE OVERALL ONE? SO I, I KNOW WE TALKED, I'M, I'M CERTAIN WE TALKED IN THIS CASE ABOUT THE EXTRA 11 FOOT SOMEWHERE AND WIDTH FOR THE FUTURE, POSSIBLE NEED TO EXPAND EXECUTIVE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
I THINK THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE SAID THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER SIDE IS THE BEST PLACE BECAUSE OF A GAS LINE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, THERE'S, CAN YOU SHOW ME ON THERE WHERE THAT FOR SURE, I MEAN THAT WHERE THIS 11 FEET WOULD BE.
LET ME GO TO A DIFFERENT, UH, SITE.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN, IF I HAVE ON HERE, CAUSE I REMEMBER PROMISING THE APPLICANT, I'D ASK EVERYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROAD FOR 11 FEET THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.
UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SITE, OTHER PLAN.
SO THERE ARE ALMOST ALL OF THE UTILITIES GOING DOWN EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD WITH THIS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A STORM SEWER, UH, ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UH, AND THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM.
IF WE NEEDED TO SHAVE ANOTHER LANE OR ADD ANOTHER LANE, WE WOULD TAKE IT OFF THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXECUTIVE.
I JUST, I IT WOULD CAUSE LESS DISRUPTION.
JUST DRIVING DOWN 2 0 2 RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE WHY I BRING IT UP.
AND I ACTUALLY WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE IN TOWN ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND FIRST THING OUT OF THEIR MOUTH IS YOU BETTER PUT A LANE IN CUZ EVERYBODY SEES 2 0 2 RIGHT NOW AND REALIZES IT.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY THERE, THAT WE'VE GOT THE SPACE FOR WHEN IT HAPPENS, IT GETS, IT GETS MORE TRICKY THE FURTHER EAST OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY LIMITS AND MORE ON OUR PROPERTY LIMITS.
BUT THE, THE, THERE'S ADEQUATE ROOM SOUTH OF, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THANK YOU MR. CASSIDY FOR THE SIDEWALK.
UM, GOING FROM 10 TO EIGHT FEET, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT.
I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THAT SIDE OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT EIGHT FOOT THE WHOLE WAY.
OR DO YOU SEE WHERE THERE'S A 10 FOOT POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE FOR PAR PORTIONS OF THIS? OR WILL THAT NOT LOOK GOOD? NO, I THINK IT'LL TAPER.
WHERE I THINK WE MAY HAVE A CHALLENGE IS, IS WE HEAD EAST, SO WE'LL CARRY EIGHT FEET WHERE WE MAY HAVE A CHALLENGE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CHALLENGE, UH, HERE AS WELL.
BUT THEN WHEN WE GET PAST ONTO THE RHM SITE, WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT WIDER.
IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD EXPECTED IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT.
MS. VARGO, UH, WELL I HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUFFERING, BUT I THINK I'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION FROM THE DEVELOPER BEFORE I OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FIRST AND THEN I'LL BRING, IT'S EASIER JUST TO ROLL THIS DOWN.
UM, RYAN YOUNG, THE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND PLANNER WITH POD DESIGN.
I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS.
UM, SO I WON'T GO INTO A TON OF DETAIL ABOUT THE SPECIFICS.
UH, MR. SARREL DID A, A FANTASTIC JOB OF KIND OF ILLUSTRATING IN KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE, UH, SITE PLAN ANALYSIS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PRIMARILY IS MORE FOCUSED ON SOME OF THE DETAIL, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING.
AND THEN, UM, LIKE MR. SORELL MENTIONED SOME OF THE AMENITY PACKAGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
UM, SO KIND OF LOOKING AT AN OVERALL VIEW AND THAT IS HARD TO SEE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, UM, WE REALLY KIND OF FOCUS KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL STYLES TO KIND OF, UM, HELP BLEND IN WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
AND SO WHAT WE'LL FOCUS ON FIRST IS THE THREE BUILDINGS UP ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
AND AS YOU'LL SEE, THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, COMMERCIALLY DETAILED AND COMMERCIALLY STYLED TO, TO NOT ONLY FIT IN WITH, UM, UH, YOU
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KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET, BUT KIND OF THE FUTURE INTENT OF HAVING COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.SO WHAT WE SEE WITH THE, WITH THOSE THREE BUILDINGS IS YOU'LL HAVE FLAT ROOFS, YOU'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANT MORE, UH, MASONRY MATERIALS, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ARCHITECTURAL GLAZING TO REALLY KIND HELP, UH, REINFORCE THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ALONG EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
AS WE GO FURTHER NORTH, UH, UH, ACROSS THE STREAM, UH, BUFFER THERE, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE START TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ALLY DETAILED AND STYLED ARCHITECTURAL, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL BUILDINGS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, GABLE STYLE ROOFING, KIND OF PULLING BACK SOME MATERIALS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LY SCALED WITH STONES, WITH STONE MATERIAL KIND OF CLOSER TO THE BASE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL SCALED AND, AND APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, USE.
UM, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLING, UM, WHILE DIFFERENT FROM EXECUTIVE TO THE BACK IS VERY SIMILAR AS FAR AS MATERIALITY TO HAVE A COHESIVE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MATERIALS AND SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING.
JAMIE, EXCUSE ME, SIR, CAN YOU SIGN IN PLEASE? OH, SORRY.
ERIN, YOU GOTTA HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET THERE.
HI, I'M JAMIE OBER, LIKE WITH METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS.
UM, WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS OUR CLUBHOUSE.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CLUBHOUSE IN, AS RYAN WAS SAYING, IS KEEP A LOT MORE CONTEMPORARY, UH, MODERN CORPORATE FEEL.
WE'LL STILL PROVIDING A GREAT AMENITY TO THE RESIDENTS.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE AT PARKVIEW WITH THE MORE, UM, FARMHOUSE STYLE ARCHITECTURE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE, UM, QUITE A BIT OF CULTURED STONE ACROSS THE FRONT.
WE HAVE A CULTURED STONE WATER TABLE, AND THEN WE TAKE STUCCO AROUND THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONTEMPORARY MATERIAL.
WE HAVE A NICE, UM, CANOPY THAT WRAPS THAT GOES ACROSS THE FRONT, WRAPS DOWN AND BECOMES WHERE OUR SIGN BAND IS ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AARON, HOW DO I ADVANCE THIS? OH, ROLL DOWN.
UM, THE, UH, THE CASTSTONE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT CARRIES AROUND, THIS IS YOUR ELEVATION ALONG EXECUTIVE.
SO WE KEEP THAT CONTEMPORARY FEEL.
HERE'S OUR NORTH SIDE ELEVATION.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS STONE, AND WE DO, WE HAVE THE, AND HERE'S OUR, OUR POOL SIDE ELEVATION BACK HERE.
UM, WE HAVE, WE CONTINUE THE STONE WATER TABLE AROUND.
WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF GLASS ON THE BACK FOR THE AMENITY SPACES ON THE INTERIOR, AND THEN WE WRAP WITH STUCCO.
UM, WE'VE GOT POTEN, WE'VE GOT POT, POTENTIALLY SOME STUCCO OR TILE.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING OUT THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING HERE, BUT THIS WILL RELATE TO THE AMENITY, UM, USE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WE PROGRAM THERE.
UM, AS WE ADVANCE FORWARD, WE HAVE OUR TWO, UM, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ALONG EXECUTIVE PARKWAY, WHERE, AS RYAN SAID, WE HAVE AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF STONE.
UM, WE DO A LOT MORE OF THE GRAY SIDING TO KEEP THAT MORE CONTEMPORARY CORPORATE FIELD VERSUS THE TRADITIONAL WHITE VINYL THAT WE HAVE IN THE BACK THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE PARKVIEW DESIGN.
UM, WE HAVE LARGER WINDOWS THAT HAVE A, A FIXED BOTTOM PANEL, AND THEN THEY'RE SINGLE, A SINGLE HUNG WITH AN OPERABLE MIDDLE PANEL.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTEMPORARY WINDOW FEEL.
WE HAVE BALCONIES WITH NICE, NICE BLACK RAILINGS.
UM, AND THEN WE, AT THE BREEZEWAYS, WE WRAP THE BREEZEWAYS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF TRIM AND SIDING TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE FINISHED CONTEMPORARY FEEL VERSUS JUST AN OPEN SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO PORTIONS OF THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN AS WE GET INTO THE BACK OF THE SITE, THE NORTH PART OF THE SITE TOWARDS THE BACK, WE GO TO THE MORE PARK U STYLE ARCHITECTURE.
WE MIX THE, WE MIX THE GRAY LAP SIDING FROM THE FRONT.
WE BRING THE CULTURED STONE INTO THE BACK.
WE HAVE A WATER TABLE ACROSS THE BOTTOM, AND THEN AT THE, UM, WHITE VINYL SIDING PORTIONS, WE JUMP THAT WATER TABLE UP, BRING IT ACROSS, AND THEN DROP BACK DOWN.
WE DO INCREASE IT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT WE KEEP A SYMMETRICAL LOOK ACROSS BOTH SIDES OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF PARK US, BUT WE PULL IN THOSE MATERIALS FROM THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
UM, PRETTY SIMILAR DESIGN FOR ALL OF THE BUILDING TYPES IN THE REAR.
UM, THE WINDOWS STYLES ON THESE BACK CHANGE TO
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STANDARD, UH, DOUBLE HUNG, DOUBLE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS WITHOUT THE FIXED PANEL AT THE BOTTOM.SOMETHING MORE TRADITIONAL BLENDS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, GIVES YOU THE MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR 36 UNIT BUILDING WHERE WE CONTINUE THE SAME THEMES ACROSS.
WE HAVE THE ALTERNATING WATER TABLE HEIGHTS, THE MIXED SIDING COLORS, AGAIN, ANOTHER, ANOTHER BLEND OF WHAT YOU SEE ALONG EXECUTIVE AND THE PARK VIEW LOOK.
UM, AND THEN WE, AS EVERYONE KNOWS WITH THE POOL, YOU NEED A SPOT FOR YOUR POOL EQUIPMENT.
AND RATHER THAN JUST HAVING A KIND OF AN ISO POOL EQUIPMENT BUILDING IN THE BACK OF THE POOL, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE POOL BUILDING.
WE'VE PUT SOME GLASS IN, WE'VE CREATED, WE'VE PUT THIS NICE PERGOLA STRUCTURE OVER THE TOP, AND WE'VE CREATED A TV AND COUNTERTOP AREA.
SO THE FRONT SIDE OF THE POOL BUILDING SERVES A PURPOSE RATHER THAN JUST BEING A EIS OR STUCCO EYESORE.
UM, WE HAVE A BATHROOM INTO THE BUILDING OFF THE SIDE, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR ACCESS TO THE POOL EQUIPMENT.
SO WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN A NECESSARY EVIL AND TRIED TO REALLY INCORPORATE IT.
IT BECOMES A NICE PART OF THE EXTERIOR AMENITY PACKAGE THAT RYAN WILL TALK ABOUT.
UM, GARAGES, WE CONTINUE WITH THE STONE WATER TABLE.
WE WENT, WE OPTED WITH THE, UH, THE GRAY KIND OF MORE CONTEMPORARY COLORED SIDING WITH A DARK SHINGLE ROOF.
UM, THIS IS OUR STANDARD GARAGE BUILDING UP HERE AT THE BOTTOM, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR MAIL CENTER.
UM, WE'VE MOVED IT OUT OF THE CLUBHOUSE AND WE'VE TAKEN TWO GARAGE BASE AND DONE, DONE AN EXTERIOR MAIL CENTER SO THAT, THAT WAY, UH, RESIDENTS CAN QUICKLY GRAB IT ON THE WAY OUT VERSUS HAVING TO GO INTO THE CLUBHOUSE, KINDA WALK BACK THROUGH, UM, THEIR MAILBOXES AND PACKAGE LOCKERS WILL BE BACK THERE.
SAME, SAME FOOTPRINT, SAME STYLE ARCHITECTURE.
WE JUST REMOVED TWO OF THE DOORS AND HAVE OPENINGS AND INTO THE MAIL CENTER.
UM, WE, ON THE SIDES OF THE GARAGE BUILDINGS, WE KIND OF FOLLOW WHAT WE DID ON THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
WE GO TO LAP SIDING AT THE, WE HAVE LAP SIDING WITH BOARD AND BATTEN AT THE TOP.
UM, THE BACKS OF THE GARAGES ARE PRETTY NONDESCRIPT.
STANDARD VINYL, UH, LAP SIDING, STONE WATER TABLE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ALL OF, OF COURSE THE TREE AND ADDITIONAL PLANTED BUFFERING BEHIND THEM.
UM, WE'VE GOT A SLIDE HERE OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE FOR OUR BUILDING MATERIALS.
THIS IS THE CULTURED STONE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE HAVE A, A UPGRADED, UH, VINYL SIDING.
WE HAVE OUR BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, OUR DARK SHINGLE ROOF.
WE'LL GO WITH A, UH, CLEAR FINISH, UH, WOOD FOR THE BALCONY, FOR THE EXTERIOR PATIOS AND BALCONIES.
AND THEN, UH, OUR FIBER CEMENT PANEL WILL BE A DARK GRAY AND OUR, UH, APPLIED STUCCO WILL, WE'LL HAVE SOME GRAY STUCCO AND SOME WHITE STUCCO.
SO PRETTY CONTEMPORARY COLORS.
UM, LOTS OF THE GRAYS AND WHITES YOU SEE IN THE CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE TODAY.
UM, AND THEN I DID WANT TO TOUCH REAL QUICK WHILE I'M UP HERE, MR. JEFFRIES.
UM, IN TERMS OF PARKING COUNTS AND UNITS, WE HAVE 312 UNITS, WHICH BREAKS OUT TO 492 BEDROOMS. AND WE HAVE, I, I BELIEVE 514 PARKING SPACES.
SO WE DO HAVE, UM, MORE PARKING SPACES THAN BEDROOM UNITS.
SO THAT WORKS OUT PRETTY WELL FOR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN WE'RE, SEE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOW RENTING TWO BEDROOMS AND TAKING THAT SECOND BEDROOM AND MAKING IT A DEN.
SO EVEN WITH ALL 312 U OR OR 4, 312 UNITS LEASE, WE DON'T SEE 492 BEDROOM USES AS ALL TRADITIONAL BEDROOMS. WE THINK THAT THERE WILL BE SOME OFFICE.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO RYAN FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, SO I'LL QUICKLY TALK ABOUT THE AMENITY PACKAGE AND, UM, IF YOU ALL HAVE SEEN PARK VIEW, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT, UH, METROPOLITAN DOES, YOU KNOW, A, A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THEIR AMENITY PACKAGE AND THIS PROJECT IS GONNA BE NO DIFFERENT.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY KINDA A RESORT STYLE AMENITY PACKAGE.
AND KINDA THE ONE COOL THING ABOUT THIS IS IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER ACROSS THE STREET, HENCE THE NAME REVERB.
SO WE'VE REALLY KIND OF TO TAKE THAT, THAT THEMEING OF MUSIC AND, AND UM, REALLY KINDA APPLIED IT NOT ONLY TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND TIER, BUT TO THIS X TIER SPACE AS WELL.
UM, PARTICULARLY WITH SOME OF THE, KIND OF THE ICONIC MUSICS IN THIS CASE, KIND OF THE IDEA OF A, OF A PURPLE RAIN AMENITY SPACE.
SO YOU KIND OF SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THE, THE MATERIALITY WITH, YOU KNOW, RICH COLORS WITH PURPLES AND GREENS AND RICH MATERIALS AS FAR AS WOOD AND, AND THAT KIND OF DETAILING.
SO LET'S DO KIND OF A QUICK LITTLE OVERVIEW.
UM, AS YOU COME OUT, THE CLUBHOUSE HERE WE'RE, WE HAVE KIND OF AN UPPER LEVEL, UM, KINDA LIKE A MUSIC TERRACE TERRACE.
SO THIS HAS SOME GREAT RELATIONSHIPS TO THE END HERE, CLUBHOUSE SPACE.
AND WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF KEEP THIS TERRACE SPACE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE IN NATURE.
SO KIND OF THINK OF LIKE A, A HOTEL KIND AMENITY SPACE TO WHERE YOU HAVE SOME COMFORTABLE SOFT SEATING AREAS.
YOU HAVE FIRE FEATURES, THERE'S
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A KIND OF A SEAT WALL THERE TO ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBLE AND DIFFERENT SEATING OPPORTUNITIES.AND WE KINDA ENVISIONED THIS SPACE TO WHERE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT ON ON NICE WEATHERS OR IF THERE'S A CONCERT GOING ACROSS THE STREET AT THE MUSIC, AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER, RESIDENTS CAN KIND OF COME OUT HERE AND UTILIZE THIS SPACE FOR KIND OF A, A GATHERING AREA THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
GOING FURTHER EAST, YOU HAVE OUR RESORT STYLE POOL THERE.
WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ITS, UM, PROXIMITY TO EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD TO HELP KINDA REALLY ACTIVATE THAT SPACE TO PROVIDE, UM, KIND OF A, A PERGOLA STYLE, UM, BOOST ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION THERE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF SCREENING, BUT THEN ALSO REALLY WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE VIEWS TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE THAT GREAT NATURAL AMENITY WITH THE STREAM ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND OPEN UP VIEWS TO THAT SPACE.
SO AS YOU COME OUT THE CLUBHOUSE, YOU'LL SEE THE POOL IN THE FOREGROUND.
WE HAVE KIND OF A, A FLEXIBLE, UM, UH, SEATING OPPORTUNITY AT THE BACK THAT REALLY HELPS FRAME THE VIEWS AND WE'RE FOCUSING SOME OF OUR DETENTION ON THE SITE HERE.
SO AS YOU LOOK OUT, YOU'LL SEE POOL FOREGROUND KIND OF A POND FEATURE IN THE BACKGROUND, AND THEN THAT EXISTING DENSE VEGETATION AND THAT STREAM BUFFER TO THE FAR EAST THERE.
UM, LIKE JAMIE HAD MENTIONED, OUR POOL BUILDING IS LOCATED, UM, TO THE NORTH OF THE POOL ITSELF AND WE REALLY WANTED TO INCORPORATE THIS NOT ONLY AS JUST A, YOU KNOW, A POOL BUILDING, BUT ALSO AS A, A PART OF THE AMENITY SPACE.
SO LIKE JAMIE HAD MENTIONED, UM, ADJACENT TO THERE IS KIND OF A, ANOTHER FLEXIBLE SEATING OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN ANOTHER FIRE FEATURE THAT WILL BE OVERLOOKING THAT RETENTION POND AND THE EXISTING NATURAL VEGETATION.
UM, AS PART OF THE AMENITY SUITES, WE ALSO HAVE AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN SPACE.
SO THERE'S A, A COUPLE, AN AREA FOR A COUPLE GRILLS THAT'S ADJACENT TO THOSE, BOTH OF THOSE SEATING AREAS.
UM, KIND OF A KEY PROXIMITY THERE.
AND ONE OF THE NEW THINGS THAT, UM, WE'RE KIND OF PROPOSING HERE IS, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL KIND OF HEARD THE, THE PICKLEBALL CRAZE THAT'S KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, GOING THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UM, AND WE'VE REALLY INCORPORATED SOMETHING KIND OF NEW AND UNIQUE TO NOT ONLY METROPOLITAN, BUT TO, TO MOST MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND INCOR INCORPORATING A SPACE FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE.
UM, SO WE'LL GO OVER A COUP A QUICK, A COUPLE QUICK VIEWS HERE.
SO THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING WEST TOWARDS, UM, KINDA LIKE A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.
LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CLUBHOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THE PERGOLA SEATING IN THE FOREGROUND, THE POOL THERE, AND THEN A DOUBLE ROW SEATING OVERLOOKING THE POOL THERE.
UM, WITH THAT POOL BUILDING RIGHT IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING THE IDEA OF THE PURPLE RAIN COME IN.
SO HAVING SOME REALLY COOL LIGHTING AT NIGHT.
THE POOL COULD BE LIT UP PURPLE.
YOU CAN SEE THE IDEA OF KIND OF THE RICH GREENS AND, AND THE WOOD MATERIALS AND THOSE PERGOLAS.
AND THEN AGAIN, MAYBE SOME POTENTIAL, UM, TILING, UM, OR SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING OF THAT POOL BUILDING TO REALLY KIND OF PULL THAT THEMING INTO THIS, TO THIS SPACE HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE VIEW, LOOKING OUTSIDE THE CLUBHOUSE.
UM, SO LIKE I MENTIONED, YOU SEE KIND OF THAT FLEXIBLE, UH, MUSIC TERRACE IN THE FOREGROUND.
YOU SEE THE POOL IN THE MIDDLE GROUND, AND THEN THE BACKGROUND.
YOU SEE THAT EXISTING DENSE VEGETATION THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT KEEP AND ENHANCE THE VIEW.
LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CLUBHOUSE THERE, UM, HERE'S THAT POOL BUILDING THAT JAMIE MENTIONED.
SO HAVING KIND OF THAT FLEXIBLE OUTDOOR LOUNGE AND KITCHEN SPACE UNDER THAT, UH, RIGHT ADJACENT TO ANOTHER FIRE FEATURE, YOU CAN SEE THE KITCHEN AND THE FOREGROUND, THAT POOL BUILDING, FLEXIBLE SEATING AREA IN THE MIDDLE GROUND.
AND THEN THE VERY BACKGROUND THERE, THE, THE PICKLEBALL COURT THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BACK OF THAT POOL BUILDING.
AND I THINK THE ONE OTHER THING WE WANNA BRING UP, I KNOW, UH, MS. BARNEY, YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT INITIALLY THE BUFFER.
UM, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND THE WRONG IN THAT BUFFER, BUT THE GRADE CHANGE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, PARTICULARLY ON THAT WESTERN PORTION THERE.
UM, SO OUR BUILDING, OUR BUILDINGS AND OUR SITE SITS DOWN, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY SIX TO, I BELIEVE IT'S, IS IT EIGHT FEET? UM, SIX TO EIGHT FEET FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO THAT ONLY NOT ONLY HELPS WITH, YOU KNOW, SCREENING AT HEADLIGHTS, BUT ALSO PROVIDES KIND OF AN ADDITIONAL KIND OF BUFFERING ON THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE THERE.
UM, SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CASSIE? YEAH, SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT PROBABLY THE LOGO IN DETAIL IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT NOW? THANK YOU.
SO I'M NOT AN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS ATTORNEY, BUT IF I WAS TO RUN THIS FONT WITH THE R IT LOOKS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO RED ROBIN.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE, UH, POINTING THAT OUT.
THAT, THAT THAT FONT LOOKS EERILY SIMILAR TO RED ROBIN.
IT'S A CUSTOM FONT BY THE, THE ENTIRE OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
UM, IT JUST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS IDENTICAL
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IN TERMS OF THE FACADES ON THE ENDS OF BUILDINGS, K, D, E, AND C, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE EVERYWHERE ELSE LOOKS GREAT.WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE END OF THE FACADES, UH, NOT THIS ONE, THAT ONE, THAT END FACADE THAT IS A LOT OF HORIZONTAL SIDING OF ONE NOTE ON THAT END CAP.
TO ME, IT'S NOT PLEASING TO THE EYE.
UH, THESE ARE GONNA BE FACING THE STREET FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW VISIBLE THEY'LL BE FROM THE STREET BASED ON THE LANDSCAPING YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF UNINTERRUPTED HORIZONTAL SIDING TO LOOK AT.
UM, SO TO ME, IT'S NOT REAL PLEASING TO LOOK AT.
I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT STANDS IN CONTRAST TO WHAT I SEE ELSEWHERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO, UM, BREAK THAT UP, THAT SIGHT LINE UP A LITTLE BIT, I THINK WOULD, WOULD IMPROVE HOW THAT LOOKS.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR RIGHT NOW.
FARGO, LET'S GO BACK TO THE REVERB.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I'LL KIND OF TOSS THAT BACK TO JAMIE OR, OR JOE.
THAT'S JUST SUCH A STRANGE NAME FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
SO, AND, AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, BEING ACROSS YOUR NAME IS SIR.
UH, JOSEPH MCCABE, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT WITH METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS.
UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT BRANDING AND OPPORTUNITY, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAID, WHY WOULD YOU BUILD AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM A MUSIC CENTER? BUT WE LOOK AT IT THE OPPOSITE WAY AS HOW MUCH OF AN OPPORTUNITY IS THERE THAT'S MISSED IF YOU DON'T CAPITALIZE ON THAT.
UH, SO IN SORT OF SETTING SOMETHING SO UNIQUELY DIFFERENT, APART FROM WHAT WE HAVE AT PARKVIEW, PARKVIEW IS VERY SORT OF CLASSIC, MAYBE HAS MORE CLASSIC LINES, UH, MAYBE MORE ON THE TRADITIONAL SIDE.
REVERBERATION, UH, IS, IS THE RESPONSE TO DEVELOPING OUR THEME.
UH, IN FACT, ALL OF OUR CLUBHOUSE INTERIOR PACKAGE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS A LOT OF MUSIC MEMORABILIA AND THEMING, UH, AROUND MUSIC ARTWORK INSPIRED BY MUSIC PATTERNS, INSPIRED BY MUSIC, INTERIOR LIGHTING SCHEMES IN INSPIRED BY MUSIC, UH, DOWN TO THINKING ABOUT WHO HAVE THE PREVIOUS PERFORMERS EVEN BEEN AT THE ROSE MUSIC CENTER TO BE UTILIZED IN ART.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A BRAND SPECIALIST ACTUALLY TO COME UP WITH A CONCEPT WHERE PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY WANT TO ENGAGE IN LIVING IN A HOUSING COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A MUSIC CENTER.
UM, IT IS, IT IS DEFINITIVELY DIFFERENT FROM EVERYTHING AT PARKVIEW, UH, BUT DELIVERED AT A, A HIGHER TO EQUAL TO EVEN BETTER, UH, STANDARD THAN WHAT YOU SEE AT PARKVIEW.
SO IT'S A DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.
UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS ONE OF OUR, UH, OS OR, OR, UH, WAYS WE CONNECT BACK TO MUSIC AND SOUND, UH, SPECIFIC.
I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SAID.
REVERBERATION HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH THE MUSIC CENTER BECAUSE OF THE NOISE THAT'S NOT GOOD.
AND THIS JUST KIND OF IS IN YOUR FACE,
BUT I, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A FAMILY NAME OR IF IT DID HAVE SOMETHING, IT DID HAVE A STORY BEHIND IT.
AND WE, WE WORK WITH, UH, PRETTY GOOD MARKETING AND BRANDING, UH, FOLKS THAT WORK AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO, YOU KNOW, STUDY THESE KINDS OF THINGS, CON CONCEPTUALLY HOW PEOPLE RESPOND TO THOSE THINGS.
AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT OF POSITIVE, UH, RESPONSE TO THESE, UH, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE CONCEPT.
UH, IT'S PART OF OUR, OUR BRANDING IN THIS CASE.
UH, I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT, UH, THE, I KNOW IN THE, UH, WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, THERE WAS CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IN THE DETAIL PLAN, YOU WOULD TELL US WHAT KIND OF, UH, BUFFERING WOULD BE GIVEN MM-HMM.
HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR HAVE YOU SO WE, WE COME UP WITH A PLAN.
LEAVING THE LAST MEETING WE WERE AT WITH THIS GROUP, WE WENT OUT AND ACTUALLY DID A TREE SURVEY TO IDENTIFY, I THINK A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAID THEY WERE AFRAID TREES WOULD BE SOMEHOW IMPACTED ON THIS.
SO WE ACTUALLY SET OUT RIGHT AWAY TO, TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DOCUMENT AND MEASURE EVERY TREE.
IN FACT, THE DOCUMENTS, UH, SUBMITTED TO AARON, WHICH ARE PART OF THE PACKET THAT WERE ON THE SCREEN EARLIER, ACTUALLY HAVE EVERY MEASUREMENT OF EVERY TREE ALONG THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE DOCUMENTED.
AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE ALL BUT EIGHT TREES, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS FEAT TO US TO, TO ACTUALLY AGGRESSIVELY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MATURE TREES.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE
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NOT ONLY THERE, BUT THAT WE ACTUALLY STUDIED WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, THE FACT THAT TREES THAT ARE MATURE HAVE TO HAVE ROOTS AND ROOT BALLS.AND YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU IMPACT A ROOT SYSTEM OF A TREE BEFORE IT'S NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL.
SO WE'VE MADE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WORK CONSISTENT WITH NOT IMPACTING THE TREES, NOT JUST FROM LEAVING THEM, BUT ADDITIONALLY CAN THEY GROW, CAN THEY CONTINUE TO BE HEALTHY? UM, SO WE'VE ONLY REMOVED EIGHT TREES IN TOTALITY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WHAT WE'VE PUT BACK IS, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GO BACK TO THAT PLAN, AARON.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK, GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT END OF THE SITE, UM, WHAT WE'VE NOW GOT IS WHERE THOSE EIGHT TREES ARE REMOVED.
WE ADDITIONALLY INTRODUCED A LOT MORE TREES COMING BACK, THE THREE INCH CALIBER TREES, THE, THE EVERGREEN TREES.
UH, ADDITIONALLY AS HERE YOU GO, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UM, SO I'M GONNA PROBABLY JUST APPROACH, CAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY.
THESE TREES UP HERE ARE ALL THE EXISTING TREES.
THESE TREES DOWN HERE ARE ALL THE NEW TREES.
IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE WAY THE SITE GRADING ENDED UP WORKING OUT WAS, IS THAT THESE ROADS AND THESE GARAGES ALL SIT EVEN LOWER.
WE'RE ABOUT SIX FEET LOWER MM-HMM.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NOT ONLY THE HEADLIGHT SHIELDED, THE PARKING SHIELDED, THE BUILDINGS NOW SIT LOWER THAN EVEN PREVIOUSLY EXPECTED.
WE'RE LEAVING ALL OF THAT MATURE TREE LINE INTACT.
AND THEN WE'RE A EVEN ADDING ADDITIONAL NEW PLANTINGS OF EVERGREENS AND DECIDUOUS AND, AND NOT SMALL DECIDUOUS TREES, RATHER SUBSTANTIAL SIZE TREES THAT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WON'T COMMIT TO.
SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LEAVING HERE IS ALMOST EVEN A BETTER CONDITION THAN WHAT YOU HAVE THERE TODAY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TO BE TWO RETAINING WALLS MM-HMM.
THEY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWN IN THE PLANS.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT, UM, IT STARTS RIGHT HERE AND THEN IT, UM, EXTENDS A LITTLE FARTHER EAST HERE.
AND WHAT CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL WILL THEY BE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE STONE, THEY'RE STONE STACKED.
SO WILL THAT TAKE UP PART OF THE BUFFERING? UH, NO, THAT, THAT RUNS WITHIN THE BUFFERING STRIP.
SO THERE'S BOTH PLANTINGS INSIDE EXISTING PLANTINGS AT THE TOP OF THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST WANTED MR. JEFFRIES? YEAH.
SO WHERE MR. CASSIDY HAD POINTED OUT THE ROAD FACING SIDES, JUST THE BIG BLOCKS OF GRAY.
I MEAN, IS THERE, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT, SO THAT BUILDING D AND K RIGHT THERE WHERE TWO OF THE BUILDINGS THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IF I REMEMBER.
SO FROM EXECUTIVE, IF WE'VE PAID ALL THAT ATTENTION TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE UPFRONT, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS, WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THOSE SIDES TO MAKE IT LOOK COMPLETE, I GUESS, OR TO MAKE IT FLOW OR CONSISTENT? ONE OF ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING THINGS OBVIOUSLY IS, IS WHEN YOU HAVE, JUST LIKE, AT SOME POINT, EVEN ON YOUR OWN HOUSES, YOU SORT OF HAVE TO HAVE A SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE LIV LIVABILITY.
UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WHERE YOU GET END UP OUR SIGNATURE HALLMARK, AND A LOT OF OUR UNITS AT PARKVIEW ARE REALLY BIG KITCHENS IS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A LOT OF KITCHEN CABINETS, WE END UP, THOSE WALLS END UP HAVING A LOT OF KITCHEN CABINETS ON THEM.
SO I DO WANNA POINT OUT IT'S DIRECTLY A CORRELATION TO THE FUNCTION.
UM, IN THIS CASE IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WALL HERE AND A WALL HERE AND A WALL HERE.
THE ROOF LINES ARE BROKEN UP, THE BUILDINGS ARE SURROUNDED BY LOTS OF LANDSCAPING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO SEE THOSE ALL THAT MUCH, UH, BE AWARE THAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE THEM FROM EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD ONLY BECAUSE I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO OUT THERE.
EVEN TODAY, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPACT THE STREAM CROSSING, WHICH IS A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL, THICK, TALL AND WIDE BUFFERING OF OVER 75 FEET OF MATURE TREES THAT HAVE, HAVE EQUALLY AS MUCH HEIGHT AS THEY DO WIDTH.
UM, SO YOU WOULD NEVER SEE THE BUILDINGS ENDS OF K D UH, ONE, UH, I AND J IN HERE.
THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ENDING UP WITH BASICALLY WHAT IS EQUATING TO FOUR OR FIVE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THIS CONDITION.
UH, AND ONE OF THE OTHER BUILDING TYPES DOES ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT MORE GLAZING ON THE ENDS OF IT, JUST INHERENTLY WITH WHAT THE UNITS ARE LAID OUT AT.
SO THERE'S FULL SIZE TREES ALREADY IN PLACE THAT'LL STAY AT THE YEAH.
THE, THE, THE ENTIRE STREAM BUFFER STAYS 75 FEET WIDE AND STAYS INTACT.
WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES FROM THE, THE STREAM.
NOT USED TO PEOPLE KEEPING THE TREES WHEN THEY COME IN.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY PLEASANT
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SURPRISE.YOU KNOW, WE, WE TOOK THAT TASK, THE HEART FROM THIS GROUP AND FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND JUST, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT SITE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CLEARING ALREADY DONE WITH THE FARMING OPERATIONS.
AND IF WE CAN RESTRICT OURSELVES TO REALLY STAYING IN THOSE FARMED AREAS THAT ARE THERE, THEN WE'RE REALLY NOT DISPLACING THE, ONE OF THE BEST NATURAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE SITE.
IT IS, ALL THE TREES PROBABLY HELPS WITH THE SHADE AT THE POOL AND STUFF TOO.
YOU, YOU CAN'T REPLACE SOME OF THE MATURE PLANTINGS AND, YOU KNOW, VERY EASILY IN OUR LIFETIME, SO THANK YOU.
MS. FARGO, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THIS IS GONNA BE BUILT IN PHASES? ONE PHASE? YES.
AND WILL THE AMENITIES COME FIRST? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? COME RIGHT AHEAD.
I'M ONE OF THE NORTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE, MY HOME WILL FACE THE, THE BACKYARD FACES, THE END OF BUILDING I IS WHERE I'M AT.
SO THAT RETAINING WALL THAT'S GONNA BE BEHIND THE GARAGES.
HOW, WHERE WAS THAT ON THE WESTERN PIECE OF, SO THIS GRAY LINE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE RETAINING WALL'S GONNA BE.
SO PROPERTY LINE IS, IT'LL BE BELOW, BELOW GRAY.
SO YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS UP HERE.
AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT INSECT, YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS GONNA SIT UP HERE, DOWN HERE IS GONNA SIT DOWN HERE.
AND THAT RETAINER WALL IS GONNA SIT AS THE GRADE COMES DOWN LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SCRUB THERE NOW.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING ALL OF THAT SCRUB, WHICH WE WANT THEM TO DO ALONG WITH ALL OUR TREES.
FOR, FOR SAVING, I'VE GOT SEVEN ACROSS MY PROPERTY LINE OF BIG MATURE TREES THAT YOU HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES ON YOUR PROPERTY.
THERE'S, YOU REMEMBER THE REASON THERE'S A HICKORY AND A WALNUT.
AND THEN THERE'S THAT GREAT BIG ONE THAT'S ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE ON THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE AREA.
SO THAT RETAINING WALL THEN IS GONNA BE WITHIN THE BUFFER, BUT BELOW, BUT BELOW.
SO THE GRADING, THERE'LL BE NO WATER OR ANY NO ANYTHING INTO CORRECT BELOW SIDE ISN'T OUR PROPERTY.
YOU SAID THAT SOME OF THE GARAGES THAT ARE GONNA BE BACK THERE, HOW MUCH SPACE WILL BE BETWEEN THOSE GARAGES AND
WHERE WILL THE DUMPSTERS FOR THE PROPERTY BE LOCATED? FOR THE TRASH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY AREN'T GONNA BE ANYWHERE NEAR THE GARAGES.
I GOT SOME MORE QUESTIONS HERE.
AND ALL THE SCRUB THAT'S THERE NOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE GRADING SHOULDN'T BE AFFECTED.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE CAN'T REALLY ALTER THE, THE, IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE TREES, YOU HAVE TO STAY CERTAIN DISTANCE OFF OF THE TREES.
SO WITH THAT DESCRIBE WELL, WELL IF YOU'RE ABLE, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO COME REAL SHALLOW, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO STAY IN THE FARMER'S FIELD AREA, THAT'S EXACTLY THEN HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA BE ENOUGH FOR THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE, OF THE BIG TREE.
AND, AND YOU'LL LEAVE THAT OTHER SCRUB.
I MEAN, LITERAL BREAK RIGHT OUT THE RETAIN PRETTY MUCH.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE GROUND LEVEL.
UM, BUILDING, I, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PICTURES OF THE BUILDINGS, THAT'S ONE OF THEM WITH THE, WITH THE GABLES.
IS THAT MORE LIKE EAND? YES, PLEASE.
AND MA'AM, COULD YOU TALK MORE INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? WHICH ONE IS IT, AARON? MY PRESENTATION OF YOURS? UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF THEM.
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THAT'S THE ONE.THE 36 IS, I WAS COUNTING ALL THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE THIRD LEVEL.
THIS IS IN, SAY LIKE A, IT SAYS I AT THE TOP.
THEY, THE A SEE WHERE THE EYE SAYS THE ARCHITECT IS IN DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'VE LABELED IT BUILDING C, BUT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE TYPICAL OF BUILDING J AND I.
SO THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.
THAT'S CAUSE I WAS COUNTING ALL THOSE WINDOWS.
CUZ THE THIRD FLOOR IS WHAT'S, YEAH.
GONNA BE LOOKING DOWN INTO MY YARD.
SO THAT'S LIKE 12 ACROSS THAT TOP.
BUT IF THEY'RE ABLE TO LEAVE ALL THOSE TREES AND THEY LEAVE THE SCRUB, IT'LL ONLY BE WINTER TIME THAT THAT'LL BE A, AN ISSUE.
AND I DON'T THINK I'M PLANNING TO BE IN THE YARD IN THE, IN THE WINTER TIME.
MAKE SURE I HAVE FOUND ALL MY REST OF MY QUESTIONS.
OH, WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY AFTER IT'S ALL BUILT? DO WE, WE OWN OPERATE PROPERTIES.
SO YOU DO THE MAINTENANCE AND THE GRASS CUTTING AND ALL OF THAT STUFF? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND WILL THERE, WILL THERE BE LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE GARAGE BUILDINGS, SOME OF THESE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE PLANTED? THE EVERGREENS AND THE SIDIOUS ONES THAT'LL BE IN THOSE OPENINGS AS AS MICHELLE WELL IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO TELL EXACTLY.
YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN GARAGE BUILDINGS THERE'S A, OKAY, SO ALL THE LITTLE CIRCLES ARE, THERE'S A TREE, IT'S SOME KIND OF A TREE.
THE DARK CIRCLES ARE THE NEW PLANTINGS AND THE KIND OF THE LESS DARK ARE THE EXISTING TREES, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, SO THE BIG CIRCLES ARE DECIDUOUS TREES AND THE SMALLER CIRCLES ARE, UM, THE EVERGREENS ONE.
SO THOSE BIG CIRCLES ARE THE, ARE THE SIDIOUS ONES, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN ALL THE LITTLE TINY ONES ARE EVERGREENS? CORRECT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE TRIED TO FILL IN THE SPACES WHERE THERE ARE VOIDS FROM THE, UH, EXISTING TREES.
LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M FURTHER DOWN THIS WAY WITH THOSE.
SO THEY FILLED IN THIS SPOTS HERE, THESE SPOTS.
WHERE'S, WHERE'S YOUR ARROW? OH, I'M SORRY.
IT'S BUILDING ONE OR BUILDING.
I, I THINK THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY RIGHT BACK HERE.
UM, I CAN'T SEE YOUR ARROW SO I'M RIGHT AT THE TOP.
YEAH, LET ME JUST POINT, I THINK THIS IS YOU ONE, THESE TWO ON THE THIRD ONE OVER OF THE ALL NEW PLANTINGS THAT FILL THE VOIDS.
AND THESE ARE THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE STACK.
CUZ I'M FARTHER DOWN CUZ UNLESS THEY MOVE THE BUILDING MINUS IS ON THE END, ON THE RIGHT END.
THEN YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL DECISION, UH, EVERGREEN HERE THAT ARE FILLED UP THE GAPS BETWEEN THE GARAGES.
SO HOW LONG IS THAT PHASE? IT TAKES ABOUT 16, 18 MONTHS FROM START FORMATION.
CUZ ORIGINALLY WE THOUGHT 24 TO 30 MONTHS IS WHAT WE, ABOUT 18 AS LONG AS AND JUST KEEP ON GOING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? HELLO? UM, ANNAMARIE NORGROVE.
AND ON THE PLANS, MY PROPERTY IS 1410 AND YOU GUYS HAVE PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS AND WE REALLY LIKE WHAT WE'RE HEARING, UM, ESPECIALLY KEEPING THE TREE LINES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL.
UM, BUT WHEN DOES THE PROJECT START? I KNOW IT SAID 16, 18 MONTHS IT WOULD TAKE, SO IT'S UP TO THEM.
UM, THIS WOULD BE THE LAST APPROVAL THAT THEY NEED FROM US.
UM, THEY WOULD NEED, UH, BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, THAT TAKES 30 TO 45 DAYS, DEPENDING ON HOW BACKED UP THE COUNTY IS.
UM, BUT FROM OUR SIDE, IF THIS IS APPROVED BY
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THE, UM, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY ARE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR ZONING AND BUILDING PERMITS WHEN THEY'RE READY.BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, UM, WITH THE GREENERY WE HAVE IN BETWEEN THE MATURE TREES, IF THAT WAS GONNA BE KEPT.
AND SO I, I'M ASSUMING FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IT IS MM-HMM.
DID YOU SIGN IN MA'AM? YES, I DID.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? I, I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY FEEL THAT THE NAME REVERB IS REALLY, REALLY COOL AND IT REALLY FITS WITH THAT CONTEMPORARY FEEL.
UM, I'M A HUGE MUSIC PERSON AND I LOVE THE WHOLE IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THAT PLACE.
I THINK IT'LL ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT BEING ONE BEDROOM IS GONNA HELP KEEP SOME OF CHAOS DOWN OVER THERE.
SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLAN.
UH, COULD YOU, UH, PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME PLEASE? MELISSA CLEARY.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CASE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? JUST COMMENT.
I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THE RENT'S GONNA BE.
YOU'RE READY TO MOVE THERE TO GET REVERBED VERY INVITING.
I JUST HAD A COMMENT MORE THAN ANYTHING, WHICH WE'VE KIND OF BEEN TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT.
HOW, I MEAN, WHEN THIS STUFF CAME ALONG AND PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING, SOME OF US KEPT HEARING WHO'S GONNA WANNA LIVE RIGHT THERE? WHO'S GONNA WANNA DEAL WITH THAT? AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LEANING RIGHT INTO IT BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT YOUR CLIENT.
UM, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LEANING IN RIGHT INTO IT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT, METROPOLITAN HOLDINGS, L T D FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 312 UNIT APARTMENT PROJECT? THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD ACROSS THE STREET FROM ROSE MUSIC CENTER CASE D D P 23 DASH 19, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF'S MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 6TH, 2023, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ATTACHED THERE TOO AND THE INCLUSION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. JEFFRIES.
SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. CASSIDY? YES.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? SO THE, UH, APPLICANT WILL REVISE THEIR PLANS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, CONCERNS, UH, ALONG WITH OUR CON CONVERSATIONS.
AND THEN THEY ARE, UH, FREE TO SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS.
KEEP THIS EITHER DON'T WANT US.
UH, IS EVERYBODY GOOD? DO YOU NEED TO TAKE A SMALL SHORT BREAK? YES.
WE'LL TAKE A SMALL SHORT BREAK.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE OR HAD, I DON'T THINK I HAVE EITHER.
I DON'T THINK I'VE SENT ANY OF THESE THAT HAVE COME OUT.
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FIVE MINUTE, SIX MINUTES I WANT TO BE DONE.NOW MY DAUGHTER AND I SAID THEY HAD STOPPED ALSO.
IN FACT, THEY HAD A WONDERFUL, AND SHE SAID IT'S LIKE, UM, IT'S LIKE A, I MEAN SHE WAS DESCRIBING ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THIS YOU TURN AROUND.
LIKE I PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO GO NOW, BUT I WILL HERE IN ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
YEAH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE.
AND IF, IF IT'S LONG, THEN I'LL IN TROUBLE.
MY FINGERS UP ON THERE YOU GO.
I'VE BEEN UP HERE FOR A WHILE.
YOU GUYS STILL DOING WELL OVER THERE AT IX? YEAH.
UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN OVER BY THERE.
DID YOU JUST GET IT RECENTLY? YEAH, I HAVEN'T BEEN OVER BY THERE.
UM, I WORK IN TROY, SO WHEN I LEAVE, I GO TO THE HIGHWAY.
I DON'T, I'M NOT IN SPRINGFIELD.
I WORK FOR FIRST FINANCIAL NOW, SO I'M RIGHT THERE, UH, NEXT TO DAIRY QUEEN.
I'M A DISTRICT MANAGER FOR THE BANK.
IT'S NO, WELL, YOU GUYS JUST HAVE TO COME TO FIRST FINANCIAL.
I, I NEED TO CALL KAREN BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING FOR ME AND I JUST CAN'T SEE THE, FIND THE TIME.
THEY'VE HAD TROUBLE SINCE I LEFT TO FIND SOMEBODY TO STICK IT OUT.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS THE BANKING INDUSTRY THOUGH.
UM, YEAH, IT CAN CHANGE VERY OFTEN, ESPECIALLY ON THE TELLER LINE, JUST UNDERGROUND.
ELLE AND KAREN ARE THE TWO ONES THAT ARE STILL THERE.
I KNOW KAREN'S HUSBAND RETIRED.
IT'S THE DODGE, SO SHE'S GOTTA BE CLOSE, I WOULD THINK.
MY BANK ACCOUNT DOESN'T SAY I CAN RETIRE.
OR CONCRETE? NO, BECAUSE THE WAY IT BREAKS ON THAT.
LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING HERE.
THERE WAS A FEW GENTLEMEN THAT WALKED IN, UH, LATE TO THE SHOW.
SO IF YOU, UH, WOULD, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, I SURE I
UH, IF YOU WOULD STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND, UH, DO YOU HEREBY SWEAR OR AFFIRM ON THE THREAT OF PERJURY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT, BP O TP LLC, IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A REZONING FROM OH ONE TO PC AND A BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A WAWA GAS STATION CONVENIENT MART WITH FUELING PUMPS.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 49 49 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD B BDP 23 DASH 17, MR. BOY.
SO THE, UH, THE SITE IS, UH, 5.4
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ACRES.THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, ABOUT A THIRD, ABOUT HALF OF THE SITE THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
UH, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 4.79 ACRES THAT IS ZONED GENERAL OFFICE OF WHICH WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE REZONING OR THE, THE APPLICATION IS ONLY TO REZONE 2.44 OF THAT, UH, THE EXISTING LAND USE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ALONG WITH VACANT LAND TO THE NORTH.
UM, THE SURROUNDING ZONING INCLUDES GENERAL OFFICE R ONE, UM, R FOUR, R ONE TO THE WEST, R FOUR TO THE EAST, UH, AND PLAN COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 2.44 ACRES FROM, UH, GENERAL OFFICE TO PLAN COMMERCIAL AND APPROVAL OF BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF 5.41 ACRES TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 5,915 SQUARE FOOT WAWA CONVENIENCE STORE WITH, UH, FUELING PUMPS.
THIS IS THE SITE, UM, THIS IS THE TOTAL SITE RIGHT HERE.
UH, THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND REZONING, UH, ONLY APPLY TO THE, UH, AREA OUTLINED IN RED, UH, TO THE EAST.
UH, WE'VE GOT KEYBANK, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, SOME VACANT LAND, UH, OVER HERE THAT HAS HAD VARIOUS USES PROPOSED FOR IT.
THERE IS A, UH, GAS STATION ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UH, DRUG STORE ON THE SOUTH CORNER.
AGAIN, HERE IS THE, UH, WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE RELA, UH, HERE IS THE TOTAL LAND, UH, IN DISCUSSION.
UH, THE SITE ITSELF AND THE RE THE REZONING ONLY APPLIES TO THIS MIDDLE PIECE.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLIES TO THIS ENTIRE, UH, FIVE ACRES.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A BIG, BIGGER SITE.
UM, BUT WE ARE HERE AT THE CORNER OF, UH, CHAMBERSBURG TO THE SOUTH OLD TROY PIKE TO THE EAST.
UM, THERE IS, UH, THE STORE ALONG WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING.
THERE ARE, UH, EIGHT FUEL PUMPS, UM, THAT ARE UNDER CANOPY HERE.
THERE WILL BE AN ENTRANCE FROM OLD TROY PIKE THAT COMES UP, UH, IN CURVES AROUND, AS WELL AS AN ENTRANCE, UH, SOUTH FROM CHAMBERSBURG.
AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THERE ARE NO REAL IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, WE ARE, UH, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE WIDENING CHAMBERSBURG AS WELL AS, UM, CREATING, UM, BUILDING A BIKE PATH, THE MULTI-USE PATH ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE.
SO THERE WILL BE, UH, LAND DEDICATION THAT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO FACILITATE, UM, THAT WIDENING AND, UH, ULTIMATE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, THE MULTI-USE PATH.
APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS A, A, WHAT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN A, IN A WOODED AND LANDSCAPE LOT.
THE OTHER, UH, HALF OF THE SITE IS, IS ESSENTIALLY WOODS.
UM, THERE'S A PRETTY STEEP GRAY CHANGE WITH A PLATEAU, ROUGHLY 30 FEET ABOVE THE INTERSECTION OF CHAMBERSBURG AND, UM, OLD TROY PIKE.
SO THE, THE REQUIRED GRADE, THERE WILL BE SOME SIGNIFICANT GRADING THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR, UH, THIS SITE TO WORK.
HOWEVER, THAT GRADING IS GONNA END APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET FROM THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE.
UH, AND THERE'S GONNA BE NO IMPACT TO THE, UH, TO THE HOME TO THE NORTH.
THE SITE DOES HAVE ALL ACCESS TO NECESSARY UTILITIES.
UH, HERE'S THE LA THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT SHOWS ALSO AREAS OF, OF SIGNIFICANT GRADING.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME GRADING THAT TAKES PLACE HERE, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, THE CORNER REMAINS RELATIVELY UNTOUCHED, UM, AS FAR AS GRADING GOES.
AND, AND, AND, UH, PRESERVATION OF A FEW OF THE, THE CURRENT TREES.
THERE'LL BE, UH, A RETENTION POND HERE ON SITE AS LONG AS WELL AS A SLOPE TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THE WEST EDGE OF, OF THE SITE HERE, OF THE DEVELOPMENTS.
PAR PART OF THE SITE HAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GRADING, UH, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.
SO THERE'S A THREE TO ONE SLOPE, WHICH WILL LIMIT, UH, THE EROSION.
AND THEN THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT PLANTINGS, UH, THAT ALSO, UH, HELP INCREASE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE GAS STATION AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
UH, A LOT OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION HERE ON THE WEST, UH, DOES REMAIN THERE.
UM, EXAMPLES OF, UH, THE, THE FACADE.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
UH, THIS IS THE SIDE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THIS WOULD BASICALLY BE THE CHAMBERSBURG, UH, VIEW.
THIS WOULD BE, OOPS, THIS WOULD BE THE OLD TROY PIKE VIEW.
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SO AS FAR AS THE APPLICABLE, UH, REZONING OR THE REZONING ANALYSIS, UM, THE APPLICABLE CHAPTERS ARE 1170, WELL, ONE 30, THE, THE, THE AMENDMENT 1171, THE GENERAL PROVISIONS 1176 PLAIN COMMERCIAL CHAPTER.UH, THE GENERAL PROVISIONS UNDER 1181, LANDSCAPING, PARKING, AND LOADING.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST PROJECT WE'VE HAD UNDER THE NEW COMP PLAN.
UM, THAT IS PART OF A REZONING.
UH, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT THE SITE IS WITHIN THE ESTATES PATTERN AREA, BUT ALSO ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHTOWN PATTERN AREA.
THIS IS ON THE FRINGE OF THE ESTATES DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AREA, BUT IT RECOGNIZES IT'S WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, UH, IN DENSE DEVELOPMENT IS UNLIKELY TO OCCUR, UH, BUT WHERE A LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOP, UH, THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFIED AS THE ESTATE'S DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PATTERN, IT'S LARGELY WEST OF TOWN AND EAST OF TOWN, UH, IN AREAS THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES SUCH AS FLOODING OR LACK OF UTILITIES.
THIS IS ON THE FRINGE, UM, THAT, THAT REALLY DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T OCCUR.
UM, THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION RIGHT HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE, UH, THE SOUTH TOWN, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UH, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY WITHIN THE STATE'S, UH, PATTERN RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER.
SO THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS ARE KIND OF SLOW GROWTH, LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL, UH, PARTICULARLY OUT HERE BECAUSE OF LACK OF, OF UTILITIES AND FLOODING ISSUES THAT THAT OCCUR.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IS TO ALLOW FOR INCREMENTALLY, UH, CONTEXTUAL OR RELEVANT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND AMENITIES.
AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY TRUE ON THE, ON THE FRINGE OR THE EDGE OF, OF THE DISTRICT.
SO AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE SITE IS ON THE EAST EDGE OF THE PATTERN DISTRICT, NOT SUBJECT TO FLOODING.
UM, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE SITE AND ITS CONTEXT, UH, STAFF FIELDS, THE REZONING FROM OH ONE TO PLAN COMMERCIAL IS CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS FAR AS THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, ANALYSIS, THEY'VE SUBMITTED ALL THE NECESSARY PLANS TO, TO DO THIS.
THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, REVIEW, UH, AS I MENTIONED, HALF OF THE SITE IS ALREADY ZONED PLAN COMMERCIAL.
THE OTHER HALF IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE TO PLAN.
COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES AND FILLING STATIONS ARE A PRINCIPALLY PERMITTED USE IN THAT DISTRICT.
UH, THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL PARKING AND BUILDING SETBACK AND YARD REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE 19 STREET TREES, UH, REQUIRED.
UH, THE PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES SHOW THESE 19 TREES, BUT BASED, BUT DUE TO THE GRADING.
AND, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE KIND OF AT THE TOP OF THE, OF THE SITE AND NOT ADJACENT OR ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
UH, SO DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, STAFF WANTS TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UH, BETTER PLACE THESE, UH, THESE TREES.
WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE FUTURE, UM, BIKE PATH BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN AEROBIC TREES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS DOWN THE, THE PATH, UH, END UP TEARING 'EM DOWN AND, AND STARTING OVER ON OUR NICKEL.
UH, THE LIGHTING'S PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
THE PROPOSED FIXTURES ARE, ARE 20 FEET TALL.
UH, THE FIXTURE TYPES, THE FLAT LENSES, UH, DO MEET, UH, CODE.
THE PHOTOMETRIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED INDICATES THERE IS NO LIGHT TRESPASS ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINES.
THE PROPERTY LINES ARE PRETTY FAR AWAY, UM, FROM, FROM THIS SITE.
UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE EXTERIOR, UH, MATERIAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, NOT INCLUDING GLAZING OR WINDOWS.
THE BUILDING'S EXTERIOR IS 60% MASONRY.
UH, THE FRONT FACADE IS, UH, 78% MASON AREA AND GLAZING.
UH, AND THEN APPROXIMATELY 20 PER 8% OF THE EXTERIOR IS A WOOD COMPOSITE, UH, ACCENT SIGHTING.
UH, AND AGAIN, ALL UTILITIES ARE, ARE BELOW GROUND AS REQUIRED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 53 PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN THE CODE REQUIRES.
UM, BASED ON THE WAY THEY DID, UH, THE ANALYSIS, UH, AND PARKING STALL DIMENSIONS ARE 20, UH, 10 BY 20 AS REQUIRED.
THE PLAN APPEARS TO MEET THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE WILL VERIFY THAT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS ASSIGNED PACKAGE WAS NOT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
WE WILL REVIEW THAT WITH THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, THERE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED INDICATE THREE WALL SIGNS, UH, AND THE SITE PLAN INDICATES TWO, UH, MONUMENT SIGNS.
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AS FAR AS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF APPROVAL, UH, IT'S CONSISTENT.SO THE FIRST STANDARD IS WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE FIRST, THE OFFICIAL THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, OR OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS AND POLICIES.
IT'S STAFF'S OPINION THAT THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UH, THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF AN ARTERIAL, UH, AND COLLECTOR STREETS.
THE SECOND STANDARD IS WHETHER THIS CAN BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED WITH A, A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD SPECIFIED IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE.
NO SCHEDULE, UH, HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
HOWEVER, UH, STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS WITH THE APPLICANT'S ABILITY TO, UH, FINANCE AND, AND CONSTRUCT THIS PROJECT IN A REASONABLE TIME, GIVEN WHO THEY ARE.
UM, THE THIRD STANDARD IS WHETHER IS, UH, ACCESSIBILITY, UH, AND ROAD PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE ADEQUATE TO CARRY THE TRAFFIC.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO NOTE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE WHILE SCHOOL WAS IN.
UH, AND SO WE HAVE A, A GOOD, UH, A GOOD ESTIMATE OF THE ACTUAL VOLUME, UM, DURING THE, THE PEAK HOURS.
UH, SO THE STUDY ESTIMATES THAT THERE WILL BE 4, 541 MORNING AND SIX AND 467, UM, PM WEEK, WEEKDAY, PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
UH, AS MOST GAS STATIONS, 76% ARE PASS BY TRIPS.
SO THE NET TRAFFIC THAT THIS SITE WOULD GENERATE, UH, IS 129, UM, MORNING TRIPS AND 170 9:00 PM TRIPS, WHICH IN, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS IS NOT THAT MUCH.
UH, THE STUDY INDICATES THAT THERE ARE NO, UH, DROP LANES NECESSARY.
UM, THE, A THE CITY ENGINEER HAS REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND, UH, IS, IS, IS GOOD WITH IT.
UH, THEY ARE GOING TO DEDICATE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ALONG CHAMBERSBURG THAT WAS, AND A LITTLE BIT ALONG, UH, OLD TROY PIKE, UM, THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.
AS FAR AS UNDUE, UH, BURDEN ON PUBLIC SERVICES, WE DON'T AN ANTICIPATE ANY, UH, BURDEN ON PUBLIC SERVICES.
THE AREA HAS ADEQUATE UTILITY AND STREET CAPACITY.
WE DON'T HA SEE ANY POLICING CONCERNS.
UH, AND THE DEVELOPMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL BUILDING AND FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, PROPOSED COVENANTS, EASEMENTS, AND OTHER PROVISIONS.
THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET.
BUT ANY CONDITIONS THAT ARE IMPOSED BY THIS PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL OR RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WILL BE MEMORIALIZED IN THE PUD LEGISLATION, UH, AND WOULD REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL LESS MODIFIED BY THIS COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL.
AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AND THE GENERAL ARRANGEMENT, UH, AND SITE PLANNING, UM, STAFF FEELS THAT THE PLAN IS GENERALLY, UH, WELL ARRANGED.
UH, INTERNAL CIRCULATION IS EFFICIENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE INTENDED USES.
UH, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WILL BE REVIEWED MORE IN DETAIL AT AS PART OF THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
SO I MENTIONED, UH, LANDSCAPING.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SIGNIFICANT PROPOSED, UM, BUFFERING OF BOTH DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES THAT ARE, UH, PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED AT THE TOP OF, OF THE SITE.
THERE IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DROP FROM, UM, THE WEST SIDE TO WHERE THE, UH, THE ACTUAL BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED.
UH, IT'S PROPOSED TO BE GRADED AT A THREE TO ONE SLOPE, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD, AS WELL AS THEN LANDSCAPED, UM, WITH LIVE VEGETATION TO, UH, ELIMINATE OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE ANY, ANY EROSION.
UM, SAME WAY WITH, UH, THE GRADING AS, UH, TO, FOR THE ENTRY POINTS OFF OF CHAMBERSBURG, UH, GRADING UP TO, UH, OFF OF TROY PIKE FOR, FOR ACCESS.
UH, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT, UH, THAT LINK, UH, TROY PIKE WITH THE SITE, AS WELL AS SIDEWALKS LINKING, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN BIKE TRAFFIC THAT WE ANTICIPATE FROM CHAMBERSBURG UP TO THE SITE.
UH, AND THEN ULTIMATELY INTO THE STORE, THERE IS A RETENTION POND, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE SITE THAT IS ALONG CHAMBERSBURG, WHICH YOU WOULD NEVER SEE FROM CHAMBERSBURG, GIVEN THE, THE HEIGHT, UH, A DISTANCE BETWEEN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE ROAD AND, AND WHAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE UP HERE.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN PARKING, UH, PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING THAT, UH, AT FIRST, AT FIRST READ, UM, UH, UH, COMPLIES WITH OUR LANDSCAPING, UH, CODE.
BUT AGAIN, WE WILL GET INTO THE, THE DETAILS AT THAT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
SO, AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS APPROVAL CONTINUING, UH, THE SITE WILL, UH, ONE OF THE, THE STANDARDS IS TO
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PRESERVE NATURAL FEATURES, UH, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WATERCOURSE TREES, OUTCROPS, ET CETERA.THE SITE WILL RETAIN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE WOODED AREA, UM, PARTICULARLY TO THE NORTH AND ALSO TO THE WEST.
UH, THE, UH, THE PLANS INDICATE THAT THE EXISTING DECORATIVE, UH, RETAINING WALL WILL ALSO REMAIN THERE AT THE CORNER OF, UH, TROY PIKE AND CHAMBERSBURG, OR A RETAINING WALL SUBSTANTIALLY LIKE IT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SITE BEING, UH, DESIGNED, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EXISTING LAND CONTOURS, AS I'VE MENTIONED, THE SITE HAS A SIGNIFICANT TOPOGRAPHIC FEATURES.
THE GRADING PLAN, UH, ILLUSTRATES SIGNIFICANT GRADING ON THE WEST, SOUTH, AND NORTHEAST EDGES.
UH, THEY ARE GRADING TO AN APPROPRIATE THREE TO ONE SLOPE AND PROVIDING, UH, VEGETATIVE GROUND COVER TO ELIMINATE EROSION.
UH, ALL UTILITIES WILL BE PLACED, UH, UNDERGROUND AS REQUIRED.
UH, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY, AGAIN, ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SERVICE ISSUES.
SO, UM, STAFF BELIEVES THE REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THERE WERE NO MAJOR ISSUES.
UH, THE FIRE HAD NO MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSAL.
THEY HAD THEIR STANDARD COMMENTS AS FAR AS CANOPY HEIGHT BEING, UH, THIR A MINIMUM OF 13 AND A HALF FEET.
UH, THE CITY ENGINEERS REVIEWED THE PLANS, UH, AND THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLIED WITH ALL, UH, ENGINEERING REQUESTS.
UH, STAFF SUPPORTS THE PARTIAL REZONING FROM GENERAL OFFICE TO PLAN COMMERCIAL.
IT'S THE OPINION THAT, UH, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 11 71 0 6 CAN BE MET AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
UH, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT ASSESS ALL THE HEALTH OF THE EXISTING, UH, TREES ALONG THE, THE BUILT SITES PERIMETER.
AND THOSE TREES ARE GONNA BE INCORPORATED INTO LANDSCAPING.
UH, HEALTHY TREES SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AND INCORPORATED INTO LANDSCAPING AS APPROPRIATE.
UH, AND THE APP APPLICANT SHALL ALSO DEVELOP A PLAN TO PROTECT KEY TREES, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION, SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL.
TWO, THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT SHALL WORK WITH THE STAFF TO DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE FINAL STREET TREAT, UH, PLACEMENT DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN PHASE.
SIGNED SHALL CONFORM WITH CHAPTER 1189, UNLESS DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT, UH, PLAN, UH, UNLESS YOU APPROVE SOMETHING OTHER, UH, DURING THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UH, AND THEN PERMITTED USES SHALL BE THOSE LISTED IN CHAPTER OR IN SECTION 11 76 0 1, EXCEPT FOR VEHICLE SALES OR RENTAL OR SERVICE SWEEPSTAKES, CAFE, SHORT-TERM LENDERS, DRY CLEANERS, OUTDOOR SALES AND STORAGE, UNLESS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, SO PLANNING COMMISSION MAY TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS WITH THE MOTION.
ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH OR WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REZONING AND BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR TO GATHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CASKEY? HOW WIDE WILL THE SIDEWALKS BE? UH, THEY WILL BE OUR STANDARD, UH, THOROUGHFARE.
SO ON OLD TROY PIKE, I BELIEVE THEY ARE, UH, THEY WILL BE SIX FEET, UH, ON CHAMBERSBURG, I BELIEVE.
AND I WILL VERIFY THAT THE MULTI-USE PATH THAT WE ARE CONSTRUCTING IS 10 FEET WIDE.
UM, HOW MUCH OF THAT SITE'S GONNA REMAIN UNDEVELOPED AT ONE POINT IN THE PLAN? I THOUGHT I SAW 1.88, BUT THE COMMENTS SAY 2.34 ACRES.
SO YEAH, IF YOU, UM, GO BACK TO THE PLAN.
SO ROUGHLY HALF OF THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED AND IS THERE ANY FUTURE PLANNED USE FOR THAT? OR MAYBE I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT, BUT NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THE MOMENT, BUT THAT'S A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMING OUT OF THE PROPOSED STATION ONTO OLD TROY PIKE, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GRADE.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN FROM A TRAFFIC FLOW PERSPECTIVE.
IF YOU'VE GOT AN 18 WHEELER PULLING OUT, IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO ACCELERATE UP THAT HILL.
AND OUT OF THAT SOUTHBOUND LANE, OUR, UH, THE ENGINE, OUR CITY ENGINEER DID NOT MAKE, DID NOT THINK THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
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MR. JEFFRIES.SO I HAD THE SAME ISSUE, ACTUALLY WENT BACK TWICE, LOOKED AT IT.
WE ACTUALLY WENT AND PARKED IN THE MIDDLE LANE WITH TRAFFIC DRIVING BY ME FACING UPHILL.
I, I WOULD ASK THE CITY ENGINEER TO GO STAND THERE AND DO THE SAME AND TELL ME IT'S NOT BLIND.
AND ALSO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF YOUNGER DRIVERS IN THAT AREA JUST GIVEN THE LOCATION, YOUNGER, INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS.
SO I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THAT LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF THERE.
I KNOW THE TRADE OFF THEN MEANS WE'RE PUSHING ALL THE LEFT TURN TRAFFIC OUT ONTO A TIGHTER ROAD THERE EXITING AT CHAMBERSBURG, RIGHT? WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LONG STACKING LANE, BUT WE HAVE A LEFT TURN LIGHT.
UM, THAT'S, AND I KNOW WE'RE AT THE BASIC STAGE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I HAVE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AT THE NEXT ONE.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
THE PLAN FOR CHAMBERSBURG IS TO, UH, BASIC IS TO CREATE A, A, A LARGER LEFT TURN, A THREE LANE SECTION ON CHAMBERSBURG, BUT THAT'S A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE PIKE.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SPEED IT UP AND PUT IT ONTO THE PROJECT AT AT HAND? I, AND I'LL TELL YOU, I MEAN, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY, THIS IS ONE I'M UP IN THE, I'M TORN ON BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS I LOVE SEEING GAS STATIONS KEEP COMING THROUGH, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT THIS IS ONE THAT I THINK ACTUALLY HELPS THE AREA BY DIVERTING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
BUT I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS IS ADJACENT TO TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART ALSO.
SO, SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IF THAT LEFT TURN LANE, WE CAN PUSH THAT INTO THIS PROJECT? THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THE LEFT TURN LANE IS GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE APPLICANT IMPROVED ALL OF WHAT WAS NECESSARY ALONG CHAMBERSBURG, I THINK, AND I'LL GO BACK AND AND VERIFY, BUT I THINK WE WOULD STILL ONLY HAVE HALF A LANE BECAUSE THE SOUTH SIDE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED, CORRECT ENOUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO WIDEN.
WE CAN'T, CAN'T LEGALLY PUT THAT BURDEN ON THE, ON THAT APPLICANT.
WHAT IF WE SPED UP OUR SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME? SO WE'RE UNDER, CAUSE WE DID THAT ON BROADREACH RIGHT OUT FRONT HERE.
SO I MEAN, WE CAN ADJUST OUR TIMELINE.
THAT DID NOT COME UP IN THE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I'M, I, I KNOW WE'RE DESIGNING THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PHASE WE ARE IN THE, IN THE DESIGN OF CHAMBERSBURG.
YEAH, I DO HAVE A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THE VISIBILITY TURNING LEFT OUT OF THERE.
UM, ONE INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS, BIGGER TRUCKS, SLOWER CARS.
I MEAN, IT JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT AND, AND ACCELERATE GOING UPHILL WHILE OTHER PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWNHILL AT SPEED.
AND SO I HAVE A QUESTION THERE.
GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THERE.
WE KNOW IN THE AREA THERE'S BEEN OTHER AREAS OF BEDROCK THAT HAVE RUN INTO SOME ISSUES.
WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLACE OR WHAT CAN WE PUT INTO PLACE WHERE PART OF IT IS TO ENSURE COMPLETION ON TIME OR IN A TIMELY MANNER? I, I HAVE NO DOUBT ONCE APPROVED THEY WANT TO GET IT DONE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE RUN INTO THE SNAG, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? IF THEY HIT A DELAY THAT LATE IN THE PROCESS? SO WE ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT EARLY ON CUZ WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS BEDROCK IN THIS AREA TO DO, UH, SOIL SAMPLINGS.
AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THE PLANS, THERE IS BEDROCK DEPTH, UM, THAT THEY HAVE OUTLINED, UH, IN THERE.
SO THEY SHOULD BE FULLY AWARE OF, OF WHAT'S SUBTERRANEAN.
AND THEN ONE THAT WAS NOT THE CASE AT THE BROAD REACH, BUT THIS WAS THE CASE HERE.
CAN YOU SHOW, I GUESS GO BACK TO THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE, HOW THE, THE OVERALL WHERE, YEAH.
SO, ALL RIGHT, SO THERE'S A PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY NORTH WAY UP HERE.
AND IS THERE ONE IMMEDIATELY WEST OR TWO IMMEDIATELY WEST? THERE'S, THERE'S, I THINK ONE PROPERTY WITH, UH, ANOTHER, UH, OUT OUTBUILDING HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE LIMITS OF THE EXCAVATION OR THE GRADING BASICALLY END APPROXIMATELY RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP THOSE TREES.
ABOUT HOW MUCH IS THAT? IS THAT THE 80 FOOT LINE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? OR IS THE 80 FOOT ON THE NORTH IT'S 80 FEET FROM HERE TO THE LIMITS OF THE, UM, LIMITS OF THE GRADING MM-HMM.
AND THEN, SO WITH THIS THREE, ONE SLOPE COMING OFF FROM THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT BASICALLY YES.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO TECHNICALLY BE DOWNHILL FROM THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT? YEAH, ALL THE WATER, UM, ESSENTIALLY FLOWS.
UM, IT'LL FLOW WEST HERE AND THEN UM, NORTH TO SOUTH AND THEN, UH, BE COLLECTED.
SO ROUGHLY RIGHT HERE FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT, IF I'M AT THAT PROPERTY ON THE LEFT AND I LOOK OUT THE SIDE
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ABOUT HOW FAR DOWNHILL IS THE BUILDING AND THE LIGHTS, I AM UNCERTAIN FOR THAT I DIDN'T CAUSE CUZ THE LIGHTS ARE 20 FEET HIGH, RIGHT? THE THE, THE LIGHT POLES ARE 20 FEET HIGH.UM, WHICH IS OUR, OUR STANDARD.
THEY, AND GIVEN THE VEGETATION THAT IS IN BETWEEN, UM, THEY SHOULD NOT SEE THOSE LIGHT POLES EXCEPT IN THE WINTER.
EXCEPT PROBABLY IN THE WINTER.
THEY, WE WILL REQUIRE FULL SHIELDING, UM, CUZ THERE'S A POLE HERE, A COUPLE POLE.
WE WILL REQUIRE FULL SHIELDING ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, SO THEY'LL SEE THE POLES, BUT THEY WON'T SEE THE, THE ELEMENT.
AND THEN, THEN BEING THE, THE DOWNHILL PART IS WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE.
CAUSE WE CAN SHIELD AS MUCH AS LIGHTS AS WE CAN, BUT HEADLIGHTS ARE GONNA GO WHERE THE CAR GOES.
SO IF WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN.
THAT'S WHY I WANNA KNOW HOW FAR, HOW LOW ARE WE, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER PROJECTS.
THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT COMMERCIAL USES ARE THE ONES WHERE WE GOTTA WATCH FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
THE WAY THE GRADING WORKS, THERE SHOULD BE ZERO HEADLIGHTS, UH, AFFECTING THE WEST PROPERTY OWNER AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT GRADING HERE.
SO IF YOU'RE TURNING IN ALL OF THE, THE HEADLIGHTS ARE GONNA BE STOPPED BY, BY THIS STEEP SLOPE.
WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW GRADE HERE.
TH THAT THE WEST PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD SEE NONE OF THE HEADLIGHTS AT ALL.
MS. VARGO, I, I JUST WANT TO ADD MY COMMENT TO THE, THE, UH, TRAFFIC LANE ON OLD TROY PIKE.
AND I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS DRIVING AS MUCH AS I AM ABOUT THE BIG TRUCKS, REFUELING TRUCKS PULLING OUT OF THERE WITH THAT UPHILL AND BLIND SPOT.
AND UH, JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO ACCELERATE OUT OF THAT AREA.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE ENGINEER TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF ALL ALONG OKAY.
UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT ON THE RETAINING WALL, WILL THEY USE THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL OR WILL THAT BE TORE OUT AND REPLACED WITH A, UH, MORE UPDATED, UM, LIKE I THINK THAT RETAINING WALL'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE GRADING PLAN AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED SO FAR, I DON'T THINK THEY WILL TOUCH ANY OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL OR THIS EXISTING TREE.
UH, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE IF WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE MODERN INSTEAD OF THE STACKED, UH, UM, BRICK CMU BRICK.
THE, THE THE MOLDED OR, UH, YEAH, THE MOLDED CONCRETE
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST COMMENT, I PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT, AT THE VERY LEAST TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, CLEANED UP MM-HMM.
UH, TO ME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA GO BUILD ALL THIS BRAND NEW NICE STUFF AND SAY, OH, WELL THEY KEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE PIECE.
SO I THINK IT'LL, AND I THINK IT CAN BE CLEANED UP.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO CHERYL'S POINT, IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE.
THE MORE MODERN LOOK WOULD BE GREAT MM-HMM.
AND I THINK IT GOES WITH THE REVITALIZATION OF OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH THAN WHAT WE'VE NORMALLY BEEN DOING.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS NICE BIG, UM, YOU KNOW, GAS STATION, LET'S MAKE IT LOOK.
LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS THAN ME, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, AS WELL.
I AM PATRICK O'LEARY WITH, UH, BLUE PENINSULA REAL ESTATE AND WE'RE THE DEVELOPER IF YOU SIGN IN, PLEASE.
YOU MAY NEED TO USE THE ROLLER ON THE MOUSE THAT, THAT IS 50 50 HITTER.
UM, SO WITH THIS TODAY WE HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER STONEFIELD.
WE HAVE OUR, UM, TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE ENGINEER FOR WAWA ON SET OR WITH US TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UM, THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
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I'LL BE QUICK.I KNOW IT'S LATE AND YOU GUYS HAD A LOT, BUT, SO THIS IS OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.
UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WAWA, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW IT, UH, YOU KNOW, WAWA IS MORE THAN A CONVENIENCE STORE.
THEY'RE KNOWN FOR THEIR FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.
THEY'RE, UM, PREPARED TO ORDER FRESH FOOD, UM, VOTED NUMBER ONE, UH, FAST FOOD SANDWICH IN AMERICA.
AND, AND YOU PAUSE TO THINK OF THAT, THAT'S OVER CHICK-FIL-A.
THAT'S OVER BRANDS THAT THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS IS, UM, THE FAST FOOD, AND WE'LL GO IN DEEPER ON ON WHY THAT IS.
BUT THEIR, THEIR FOOD OFFERING REALLY IS OUTSTANDING.
UM, OUTSTANDING FUEL PRICING, GREAT CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS.
UH, THE HISTORY'S REALLY QUITE AN INTERESTING ONE, AND YOU, WE CAN TALK A LOT ABOUT IT.
BUT THE, UM, REALLY TO GO BACK, THE, THE COMPANY WAS FOUNDED BY, UH, THE WOOD FAMILY WHO WERE REALLY INDUSTRIALISTS IN PHILADELPHIA AROUND THE TURN OF THE CENTURY.
ONE OF THE SONS LEFT THE FAMILY BUSINESS TO BECOME A GENTLEMAN.
FARM HAD A DAIRY FARM OUTSIDE OF PHILADELPHIA, WHICH TURNED INTO THE MILKMAN OF PHILADELPHIA.
HE WAS A VERY GOOD BUSINESSMAN BY THE WAY, UM, TURNED INTO THE DAIRY STORES OF PHILADELPHIA.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BACKDROP OF REALLY WHO WAWA IS TODAY.
AND WE, WE ALWAYS POINT OUT WAWA ONLY ADDED GAS ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
UM, THEY, THEY ARE, THEIR HISTORY IS KINDA THE STORE, THE MARKET, THE PRE THE FRESH PREPARED FOODS.
AND IT REALLY IS WHAT DIFFERENTIATES 'EM.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T AWARE OF IT, IT IS, IT, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST WEIRD, HONESTLY.
UM, PEOPLE GET CONNECTED TO WAWA.
THERE'S WEDDINGS NOT ONE OR TWO EVERY YEAR.
KIDS WILL GET WAWA TATTOOS, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE.
THIS, THIS PICTURE IS ONE THAT REALLY DRIVES IT HOME.
THIS IS NOT WHEN THE PHILLIES WON THE WORLD SERIES.
THIS IS NOT WHEN THE EAGLES WON, UH, THE SUPER BOWL.
THIS IS A GRAND OPENING OF A WAWA IN DOWNTOWN PHILADELPHIA,
PRETTY HARD TO IMAGINE, ISN'T IT? UH, AND REALLY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FOOD.
THE FOOD IS TRULY VERY, VERY GOOD.
UM, BREAKFAST SANDWICHES, BREAKFAST BURRITOS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OFFERINGS I CAN GO ON AND ON.
I MEAN, I'M NAMING MY FAVORITES, BUT, UM, UH, IT, IT'S GOOD YOU'D STOP AT WAWA WHEN YOU DON'T NEED GAS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
EXCELLENT DRINKS, SLUSHIES, SMOOTHIES, ALL OF IT.
UM, AND THEN THE FUTURE, THEY JUST, THEY NEVER STOP INNOVATING.
THEY NEVER, THEY HAVE, THERE'S A WAWA KITCHEN AT RED ROOF, WHICH IS THE HEADQUARTERS IN WAWA, PENNSYLVANIA.
AND, UH, THEY'RE ALWAYS TRYING NEW THINGS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MEET THE MARKET IN DIFFERENT WAYS, UH, AT WAWA'S WIDELY, WIDELY VIEWED OPERATIONALLY AS THE INDUSTRY LEADER.
UM, I THINK UNDENIABLY IS THE INDUSTRY LEADER, AND A HUGE PART OF THAT IS THEIR COMMITMENT TO THEIR PEOPLE.
SO THOSE ARE THE BENEFITS FOR WAWA EMPLOYEES.
NO ONE COMES CLOSE TO MATCHING WHAT THEY DO FOR THEIR, UM, PEOPLE IN THE STORE.
AND THE SEVEN YEARS VERSUS SEVEN MONTHS IS PROBABLY THE MOST TELLING STATISTIC OF 'EM ALL.
SO THE AVERAGE FAST FOOD OR CONVENIENCE STORE EMPLOYMENT TIME IS SEVEN MONTHS.
SO THAT SPEAKS TO HOW THEY TREAT THEIR PEOPLE AND WHY THEY'RE SO SUCCESSFUL.
UH, ANOTHER AMAZING OFFERING OF WAWA IS THE EMPLOYEE STOCK OWNERSHIP PLAN.
SO THEY'RE AN ESOP, AND THEY'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST ESOPS IN THE COUNTRY.
AND, UM, SO THE EMPLOYEES ARE STAKEHOLDERS, AND IT'S PRETTY COOL.
YOU HAVE, UH, STORE MANAGERS THAT CAN RETIRE AS MILLIONAIRES FROM WAWA.
UM, IT JUST, IF THEY'RE IN THE GAME AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THAT.
SO IT'S A REALLY VERY UNIQUE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN WAWA, UM, IN 2014 STARTED THE WAWA FOUNDATION, AND THEY GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.
THEY'VE GIVEN OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT TIME.
AND THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T RANDOM DONATIONS, THIS IS VERY FOCUSED ON THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE.
YOU CAN SUBMIT SOMETHING TO THE WAWA FOUNDATION THROUGH YOUR STORE, AND THAT GETS VOTED ON AND SENT BACK DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IT CAN BE THINGS AS MINOR AS, AS, YOU KNOW, A HIGH SCHOOL MARCHING BAND GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FORD FIELD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REALLY ARE DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.
UM, THE EXCELLENCE THING, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT.
WAWA HAS, UH, BEEN RECOGNIZED IN HARVARD BUSINESS REVIEW
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FOR THEIR OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE WITH, WITH THEIR TRAINING AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE.UM, THE FORBES HALLOWED 100, IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT THAT, THAT HAS APPLE, THAT HAS, LIKE, BRANDS THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
WAWA'S 12, RIGHT BEHIND NORDSTROM, WHICH IS 11.
UM, AND I LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THAT ONE, WAWA IS NOT A NATIONAL BRAND THAT'S IN THE EIGHT OR NINE STATES THAT THEY'RE OPERATING IN.
SO THAT MAKES THAT ALL THE MORE IMPRESSIVE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE GONE OVER THIS PROBABLY ENOUGH, BUT AS, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, IT'S THIS PORTION HERE THAT'S HATCHED IN GREEN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE, LEAVING THE REMAINING PROPERTY THAT BORDERS THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH UNCHANGED.
UM, THIS SITE PLAN, I THINK HELPS ILLUSTRATE THE, THE DISTANCES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO YOU'RE 267 FEET FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING HOUSE TO BUILDING, I GUESS WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT.
MY OLD EYES ARE FAILING ME ON THAT, UH, DIMENSION UNDERNEATH IT.
BUT THIS IS THE NATURAL BUFFER THAT, THAT WE'RE, UH, MAINTAINING.
AND THEN THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S BEING DISTURBED THROUGH THE GRADING, UH, BUT REPLANTED WITH HEAVY LANDSCAPING.
ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE DOWN TO THE FINISHED FLOOR, O WAWA, IT'S A 19 FOOT DROP.
EVEN LIGHT POLES ARE GONNA GET THERE.
THE VERY PEAK OF THE CANOPY IS 27 FEET WAWA PEAK OF BUILDING.
THEY'RE TOP OF THEIR PARAPET WALLS, 24 FEET.
SO THERE'S ABOUT FIVE FEET ABOVE GRADE THAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, ELEVATIONS.
AGAIN, I THINK THOSE WERE WELL COVERED.
UH, REALLY JUST TO DRIVE HOME.
WHY IN THIS LOCATION? I THINK THE, THE, THE DIFFERENTIATOR FOR WAWA IS THEY WANNA BE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY WANNA SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WHERE MANY GAS STATIONS WOULD GO HERE OR NOWHERE, UH, THAT'S NOT WAWA AT ALL.
IT GETS TO SERVICE THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT'S GOT THE SOCCER FIELDS, IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.
UH, UH, I JUST LOVE THIS SLIDE BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOWS THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE THAT, UM, YOU CAN HAVE IN A WAWA, THIS IS, UH, ELEMENTARY, PUBLIC, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT HAS CROSS ACCESS WITH WAWA.
I, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY RARE, RARE THING TO SEE, UH, VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS COMPANY.
WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE EARLY TESLA CHARGING PARTNERS.
EVERY STORE IS BUILT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ELECTRIC CHARGERS.
WHEN THE COUNTS IN THE IMMEDIATE MARKET JUSTIFY IT, THEY PUT THE CHARGERS IN.
UH, ONE THING TO POINT OUT HERE, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, AS YOU ANALYZE OUR PROPOSAL, UM, WE'RE ONLY 38% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THIS IS AN, I MEAN, THAT'S THE LOWEST I'VE HONESTLY EVER DONE IN MY CAREER.
UH, KIND OF KICKING MYSELF LIKE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A SECOND? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
SO WE'VE GOT A VERY LARGE SITE AND IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE GRADES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DROVE COMFORTABLY AND GETTING UP THERE.
BUT I THINK THE BENEFIT FOR WAWA IS IT'S GONNA SIT UP THERE BEAUTIFULLY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A NICE THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TOO.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING JAMMED IN, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT BY THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A HUGE INCREASE IN TAXES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FOUNDATION.
UM, SOMETHING I LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE IS BECAUSE WAWA IS A PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANY IN ESOP, THEIR STORES ARE NOT, UH, A STATISTIC FOR WALL STREET.
IT, IT'S A LONG TERM INVESTMENT THAT THEY'RE MAKING IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT MINDSET.
WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK MR. CASSIDY.
I DID NOT SEE BIKE RACKS ON THE PLAN DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, WE ARE PROVIDED.
DO YOU, AND YOU SAID IN YOUR COMMENTARY YOU INTEND TO PUT BIKE RACKS.
DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY WHERE THOSE WILL BE LOCATED? UH, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY BIKE RACKS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE ON THIS.
I MAY HAVE JUST MISSED THEM, MICHAEL.
COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR NAME AGAIN? ERIC WILLIAMS. ERIC WILLIAMS, THANK YOU.
SO THEY WOULD BE PLACED ADJACENT TO THE FRONT
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DOORS, UM, MOST LIKELY ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.AND DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY? I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY WE'LL HAVE CAPACITY FOR FOUR TO SIX BIKES.
SO THERE IS AN ANTICIPATED BIKE PATH THAT MIGHT CROSS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF YOUR PROPERTY.
SO YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER INCREASING THAT CAPACITY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE IMMEDIATE BY THE TIME YOU GUYS ARE DONE, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
AND I THINK SIMILAR TO EV CHARGERS, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY PROP TO INSTALL MORE IF THE NEED IS THERE, UM, FOR THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN UNDEVELOPED.
IS THERE ANY FUTURE PLANNED USE FOR THAT OR, UH, IS THE INTENTION, AT LEAST NOW THE THINKING NOW IS THAT'LL JUST STAY IN PERPETUITY THE WAY IT IS? UH, UH, YOU MEAN THE, THE UH, THE UNDEVELOPED PLAN TO THE NORTH? THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE PLAN, BUT I, I MEAN I'M CERTAINLY, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PLAN TO KEEP IT AS IS EITHER.
THERE, IT'S GONNA BE MARKETED AND, AND TRY TO BE DEVELOPED BY THE OWNER, I'M SURE.
AND LAST QUESTION, THIS WILL BE A 24 HOUR OPERATION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
JUST TO CON, DID YOU SAY FROM THE HOUSE TO THE BUILDING IS 267 FEET? YES.
AND IS THAT, I GUESS, I MEAN, WHAT, THAT'S THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? SO THE TRAFFIC IS GENERALLY THE FRONT SIDE, LIKE THE PUMPS AND ALL THAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO MOST OF THE LIGHT CONCERNS WOULD BE ON THE CHAMBERSBURG SIDE AND SA YOU KNOW, THE EAST AND SOUTH, NOT THE, NOT THE WEST EDGE OF THE BUILDING.
YEAH, I MEAN, IN FAIR, IN FAIRNESS, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL LIT UP.
SO I THINK IT'D BE DISINGENUOUS TO SAY IT.
THE BACK ISN'T GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WELL LET IT WILL BE.
UM, BUT YOU'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW RIGHT, THE, THE TOP OF THAT LIGHT POLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.
I HOLD EVERYONE GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I LIVE IN WESTCHESTER, OHIO, BUT UH, OBVIOUSLY THE HEADQUARTERS IS SUBURBAN PHILADELPHIA.
JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, EVERY ONE OF OUR STORES IS CORPORATE OWNED.
WE DON'T DO FRANCHISING, SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES EVERYONE SOME COMFORT THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT, KEEP IT CLEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UH, PATRICK MENTIONED ALL THE TERRIFIC BENEFITS WE OFFER TO PEOPLE.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT ESOP PROGRAM, WE DON'T PAY FOR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY INTO IT OR ANYTHING THAT IS GIVEN TO YOU ANNUALLY.
SO THAT IS A VERY, VERY NICE THING.
I MEAN, I THINK PATRICK MIGHT UNDERSOLD IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, AND YOU'VE GOT A COMMITMENT FOR ME, PATRICK, OUR WHOLE TEAM, THAT WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEER ON ANY TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, SMALL ACCOMMODATIONS WE CAN MAKE FOR SAFETY, WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE? YES SIR.
HEY GUYS, DOING, I'M ADAM ALLEN, HOW I'M THE SELLER.
I'M ALSO GONNA BE THE RETAINING OWNER OF THE LIKE 2.4 ACRES NORTH OF IT.
UM, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
CAN I GO TO YOUR SIDE? SO MR. CASSIE, I KNOW YOU ASKED TWICE ACTUALLY, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I WAS REACHED OUT BY, UM, COLLEEN MAIDEN, WHO'S A AGENT FOR MR. TED MORTON AND HE OWNS, SORRY, I SEE THIS MOUSE POINTING HERE.
HE OWNS ACTUALLY ALL THIS LAND AND THEN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN CHAMBERSBURG.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S DEADLOCKED.
SO YOU GOT ALL THESE HOUSES AND SO HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND THE COOL THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND THIS THEY ACTUALLY JUST CONTACTED ME LIKE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IS THERE'S THIS ROAD THAT THEY'RE ADDING IN THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S GONNA ESSENTIALLY ADD AN ABILITY FOR CHAMBERSBURG TO REACH HIS LAND, UN UNLOCKING HIS LAND.
AND HE OWNS LIKE 40 ACRES THERE AND, AND SO HE'S LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S LOCKED IN PLACE BEHIND ALL THOSE RESIDENCE.
AND, UH, MR. JEFFRIES, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY ONE HOUSE, UM, WEST NORTH.
THERE'S, THERE IS A HOUSE FARTHER NORTH,
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BUT WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, FIVE ACRES NORTH.SO IT, IT, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.
UM, AND THEN TO REACH MS. FARGO, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE BIG TRUCKS PULLING IN ACROSS THE STREET IS WALGREENS.
SO I'VE LIVED IN HUBER HEIGHTS NOW.
I KNOW I LOOK YOUNG AND HANDSOME, BUT I'M ACTUALLY 37
BUT I'VE LIVED IN HUBER, YOU KNOW, MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND THAT WALGREENS HAS SEMI-TRUCK NONSTOP PULLING IN AND OUT ON THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD, WHICH IS THAT INKY ROAD.
AND I MEAN THEY, IF YOU LOOK AT WALGREENS, THEY HAVE TWO SEMI-TRUCKS THERE AT ALL TIMES AND THEY ARE JUST CONSTANTLY IN AND OUT.
SO I DON'T THINK ANY TYPE OF TRUCKS WILL BE, CUZ THOSE ARE FULL FLEDGED SEMI-TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUTTA THAT WALGREENS.
SO I DON'T THINK WAWA WILL HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY TYPE OF, UM, FUELING IT'S A GREAT CONCERN.
BUT IN THEN EVEN THAT SPEEDWAY IS REALLY TINY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE A CONCERN WHATSOEVER.
UM, SOME OTHER POINTS THAT I WAS JUST LISTENING, UM, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, I KNOW FOR ALL OF US CITIZENS, WE HATE THE TRAFFIC ON UM, 2 0 2.
I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA HELP THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE A LOT OF US, WE LIKE, I'LL, I'LL GO TO KROGER'S JUST FOR LIKE CHIPS OR SOMETHING AND SO, AND I DON'T LIKE THAT SPEEDWAY IS SO INCONVENIENT FOR ME TO USE, I END UP GOING TO KROGER GAS STATION ANYWAYS.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC BEING DIVERTED INSTEAD OF GOING NORTH.
I THINK THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC WILL GO THAT AREA AND THEN THE CITIZENS WILL HAVE THIS, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY DIVERT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THAT OR NORTH AREA.
SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY GONNA HELP OUT FOR THAT AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY, UM, HIGH SCHOOL ORIENTED.
SO WITH IT BEING WAYNE BEING RIGHT THERE, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL THING FOR THE CITY.
WAIT, UM, CAN YOU PULL UP THAT SITE PLAN THAT, THAT YOU HAD? I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS MY RESIDENCE HERE.
UH, THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY'S RIGHT HERE, BETWEEN HERE AND THIS SPOT IS ABOUT 30 FEET IN ELEVATION.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE WAWA HERE RIGHT ACROSS FROM WALGREENS.
SO WE HAVE WALGREENS SEMI TRAFFIC, WHICH SHOWN HERE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE WAWA, SEMI TRAFFIC AND GENERAL TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH HERE.
MY POINT BEING IS THE TRAFFIC IS GOING, UH, WEST ON CHAMBERSBURG AND I'M TRYING TO GET OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY.
I LITERALLY SIT AT THE BOTTOM OF MY DRIVEWAY AND COUNT THE THREE BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY GONE.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD PROJECT WAS GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LANE, UM, THAT WOULD BE NORTH.
IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION? ALONG WITH THE BIKE PATH, I WAS NOTIFIED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL LANE.
SO I JUST WONDER HOW THIS IS ALL GONNA IMPACT THAT CREST BETWEEN THE BOTTOM OF MY DRIVEWAY AND WHERE THE NEW WALL WAS IS GONNA BE, I WILL GET WITH YOU, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS ALSO PART OF THE, THE WIDENING AND THE RECONSTRUCTION IS TO, UH, LOWER THAT CREST SO THERE IS BETTER VISIBILITY, UH, BOTH, UH, EAST AND WESTBOUND.
AND IS THAT GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF PRIOR TO WAWA DOING ALL THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THE TRAFFIC OR? I NEED TO LOOK TO SEE WHERE WE ARE, UM, WITH, UH, IN THE, THE, UM, THE DESIGN PHASE.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I WOULD OPPOSE IT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE, THE ROAD'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT SET UP FOR IT AT THIS POINT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES SIR.
HOW YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? I AM RYAN VICKERS.
UH, SO I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE AT HUBER FOR TWO YEARS AND A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER ALSO.
UM, I HONESTLY, UH, JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND SAY I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE WAWA ONE.
IT BRINGS MORE BUSINESS DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
MY, UH, BUSINESS IS ON THE OTHER END OF CHAMBERSBURG AND TWO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER ATE A WAWA, BUT HE'S NOT LYING.
I TRAVEL A LOT AND I, IF I SEE ONE I STOP AT IT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF STATE MY CLAIM ON IT.
I THINK BRINGING MORE GROWTH DOWN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT WILL BE GREAT FOR US.
UH, LIKE ADAM HAD TOUCHED ON HIM, THE TRAFFIC ON 2 0 2 WE ALL KNOW IS HORRIBLE AND I DO AGREE THAT I THINK IT'S
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GOING TO HELP DIVERT SOME OF IT DOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE CUZ CASEY'S JUST, IT'S NICE BUT IT'S A LITTLE TOO FAR SOUTH.UM, SO JUST KINDA WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND A RESIDENT.
I FEEL IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT ON THAT CORNER THERE.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ZONING CASE IN HEARING? NO ONE.
WE WILL, UH, CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC PORTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR STAFF OR I DO DISCUSS? YES, SIR.
SO AARON, WE, WE'VE TALKED A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT THE WIDENING AT CHAMBERSBURG, SO I, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE IF, ESPECIALLY FROM WHAT MR. WOOD WAS SAYING ABOUT THE CREST RIGHT THERE, IF WE HAD A CONCERN BEFORE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER A, A QUICKER CONCERN NOW.
SO I WOULD PERSONALLY AND, AND IT'S, I KNOW I'M ONE ONE ASK, BUT I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE TO SPEED THAT UP.
UM, I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT IS SAFETY, RIGHT? SO IF WE CAN SPEED IT UP AND MAKE IT A SAFER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO INCREASE TO THAT ONE OUTLET, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS GONNA BE A NET INCREASE OF SOME KIND.
SO I PERSONALLY WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE COULD SEE ABOUT SPEEDING UP THAT PROJECT AND POSSIBLY DOING IT IN TANDEM JUST LIKE WE JUST DID AND ARE FINISHING UP OUT HERE ON 2 0 2 SO THAT WE CAN SHOW ACTION RIGHT AWAY.
ONE OF THE THREE NOTES I TOOK WAS SPEED UP CHAMBERSBURG WIDENING
MS. BURGETT, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION AND THAT IS WILL THE, IS THERE AN WILL, WILL THE FUEL TRUCKS BE COMING OUT ON THE CHAMBERSBURG ROAD OR OUT ON OLD TROY PIKE WHEN THEY LEAVE? I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA BE HEADED FOR I 70, BUT, UH, THEY SHOULD GO ON CHAMBERSBURG FROM SAFETY.
SO I BELIEVE THE, UH, IF I'M NOT WRONG, I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC, THE TURNING, UM, THE TURNING RADIUS, UH, DIAGRAM, UH, SHOWED ADEQUATE TURNING, UH, WITH HEADING, UH, NORTHBOUND ON OLD TROY PIKE.
UM, IT'S THE SAME WAY WITH FIRETRUCK, UH, ACCESS AND, AND TURNAROUND.
BUT I THINK, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING FROM.
IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THE OTHER STORES ARE.
UM, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S DESIGNED WITH RADIUSS ALLOW FOR BOTH EXITS.
SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN USE EITHER ONE.
UM, UNDER, SO YOU COULD, YOU YOU COULD USE EITHER YES.
SO SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
SOMETIMES IT'S IN ONE OUT THE OTHER, THE SITE LAID OUT THAT THEY BOTH WORK.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN REQUEST THOSE DRIVERS TO USE A SPECIFIC EXIT LIKE GODAD CHAMBERSBURG AT THE LIGHT, IF WE ALL HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE VISIBILITY ON THAT SLOPE? UM, QUALIFIED? YES.
WE, WE REALLY WANT TO GO DEEP ON THAT AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TRUCK DRIVERS ARE PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS.
THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE TAKING CHANCES.
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE PEOPLE COMING AT 'EM DOWNHILL THAN
SO, UM, BUT IF, IF, IF, IF WE KIND OF DO DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK ON IT AND, AND WE DETERMINE THAT THAT REALLY IS REQUIRED, THEN SURE, THEN WE CAN CONSIDER IT.
AND TO BE CLEAR, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYBODY TURNING LEFT OUTTA THERE, NOT JUST THE TRUCK DRIVERS.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THEIR POINT, I MEAN PEOPLE DO GET A LITTLE FED UP WITH TRAFFIC UP AT THIS END SO WHEN IT OPENS UP THEY LIKE TO TRY TO MAKE UP THEIR TIME A LITTLE BIT.
SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN.
I'M LOOKING AT THE TURNING RADIUS DRAWINGS AND THEY SHOW ADEQUATE, UM, EITHER EXIT AND INGRE INGRESS AT EITHER OLD TROY PIKE OR CHAMBERSBURG.
YEAH, FOR ME IT'S NOT THE TURNING RADIUS, IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF REACTION TIME THAT SOMEBODY HAS COMING DOWN THAT HILL.
IF THERE'S A TRUCK PULLING OUT, THERE'S PLENTY OF RADIUS.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S SCHEDULE THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE TO CLEAR THAT LANE.
ANY OTHER, UM, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, STATEMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT BP O T P L L C FOR APPROVAL OF REZONING FROM OH ONE TO PC IN THE BASIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 49 49 CHAMBERSBURG ROAD CASE BDP 2317 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFFS MEMORANDUM DATED JULY 5TH, 2023.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RECORD ARE ATTACHED THERETO BY MY COMMOTION, WHO I, UH, MOVED BY MS. THOMAS.
IS THERE A SECOND?
SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
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WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP TODAY, UM, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY MOVE THIS FORWARD TO FOR COUNSEL'S CONSIDERATION, PROBABLY AUGUST.WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR JUNE 13TH, 2023, UH, TO BE APPROVED WITHOUT ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS.
THOSE ARE APPROVED REPORTS AND CALENDAR REVIEW MR. SORELL SNUCK UP ON ME.
AT THE NEXT, UH, MEETING, UM, WHAT I KNOW WILL BE COMING FORWARD IS, UH, THE FLYING ACE, UH, DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS THE, UM, ARTS, UM, TRUCK PARKING FACILITY THAT GOT REMANDED, UH, BACK FROM, UH, COUNCIL.
UM, THEY WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UM, CONSIDER A LARGER PARKING AREA OF I BELIEVE 34, UM, SIM UH, VEHICLES.
UH, AND SO I'M WAITING ON, UM, UPDATED DRAWINGS FROM, UH, MR. UCSA.
UH, AND SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT I KNOW WILL BE, UH, ON UH, NEXT MONTH'S CALENDAR.
OH, ACTUALLY THERE WILL BE A THIRD, UM, THE, UH, KETTERING UH, HEALTH CENTER HAS, UH, HAS REQUESTED A HELI STOP OR A HE A HELIPAD, UM, BEHIND THEIR, THEIR BUILDING.
SO THAT'LL BE A MINOR CHANGE TO THE, UH, THE P U D.
UM, SO WE, WE'VE GOT THOSE DRAWINGS IN AS WELL.
BEHIND WHAT BEHIND THE, THE HEALTH, UH, KETTERING'S, UH, FACILITY ON, ON OLD TROY PIKE.
SO THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING THAT, UH, IN ALL OF THEIR SATELLITE, UM, HOSPITALS, UH, MAINLY IN CASE THERE IS A PATIENT THERE THAT SUDDENLY NEEDS, UH, A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE THEN THEY CAN UH, THEY CAN ADMINISTER FLY THEM TO WHEREVER OR IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT ON 70, UH, AND THEY CAN'T GET A HELICOPTER ON 70, THIS IS THE CLOSEST KIND OF INTERIM POINT I THINK THAT'D BE ROOM FOR HE, SO IT'S ONLY USED IN RARE CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S NOT LIKE MIAMI VALLEY WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE DAILY FLIGHTS.
IT'S, THEY'VE TOLD, TOLD US MY VALLEY'S STATIONED ON THE ROOF.
NO, IT'S ON THE, IT'S BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING ON THE GROUND.
THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM BACK THERE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM BACK THERE, MR. JEFFRIES.
SO ON THE TRUCK SPACES, I MEAN, IS THIS THING BASICALLY TURNING INTO A DROP LOT AT THIS POINT? IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, WE WERE GONNA EXPAND AND PUT MORE SPACES.
THEY SAID THEY HAD, THEY WERE BUILDING THE BUILDING FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT THEN WE HEARD THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A TENANT TO PUT SOMEBODY IN THE BUILDINGS.
THEY HAD NO INTENTION ACTUALLY OF USING THE BUILDING THEMSELVES.
SO WHERE ARE WE ACTUALLY AT ON THAT THING? Y YEAH, SO, UM, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A DROP LOT.
UM, PARKING, UM, WHAT, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY MENTIONED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING LOOKING FOR A TENANT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS A MAINTENANCE TENANT WHO CAN DO HEAVY EQUIPMENT, UH, REPAIR.
THE OWNER IS NOT A MECHANIC, HE'S A DRIVER.
UM, BUT HE, WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE SAID TO US IS THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR A MECHANIC TO LEASE OUT THAT SPACE.
SO SOMEBODY ELSE, SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE WORK TO LEASE THE SPACE TOO.
I MEAN, SO IT'S JUST, IT'S CHANGED A BUNCH AND I, AND I KNOW FROM SOME OF THE PLANS AFTER IT LEFT HERE, JUST SO EVERYBODY ELSE IS AWARE, CAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE, UM, IS THAT, AND BECAUSE IT WAS A THIN VOTE THAT NIGHT AND WE WERE ON THE FENCE AND THEIR BUSINESS PLAN WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL DID INCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING TO OVERNIGHTS ON SITE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS A SURPRISE FOR EVERYBODY.
I WOULD SAY THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT THEIR BUSINESS PLANS HAVE BEEN FLUID.
WHICH, SO JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE BEFOREHAND THAT I, I WAS A YES, BUT I HAVE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS WHEN IT GETS HERE THIS TIME.
AND I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WAS A PLACE FOR THE TRUCKERS TO PARK.
AND WHEN I WAS OUT ON PATROL RECENTLY, THERE IS A PLACE OVER, IT'S UH, IT'S NOT IN HUB, I DON'T THINK, ON OFF OF
IT'S A HUGE PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE PARKING TRUCKS NOW IN BETHEL TOWN ON THAT.
RIGHT ACROSS FROM, I'LL GO LOOK AT THAT FOR ME.
UM, AARON OR JERRY, COULD YOU GUYS GIMME A LIST OF
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EVERY TIME THIS ARTS TRUCK THING HAS COME UP? CAUSE I WANT TO BRING MYSELF UP TO SPEED.IT WAS ONE BEFORE I APPLIED FOR THIS THAT I DID WATCH, BUT I, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE ONE I WATCH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THAT ONE.
IT IT'S, YES, WE WOULD HAPPILY
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TONIGHT.
GO OUT AND ENJOY THE REST OF IT.