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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF HEIGHTS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

TODAY'S DATE IS JULY 5TH, 2023.

WE'RE GETTING STARTED RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.

THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY CALLED TO ORDER.

SO TONY, IF YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MR. SHAW.

MS. BAKER? HERE.

MR. CAMPBELL? HERE.

MRS. VERGE.

HERE.

MR. OTTO? HERE.

MR. LYONS? HERE IS KITCHEN.

HERE.

MR. WEBB? HERE.

MAYOR GORE HERE.

[2. Approval Of Minutes]

OKAY.

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

UH, THERE'S TWO SETS OF MINUTES THIS EVENING.

ONE FOR JUNE 20TH AND ONE FOR JUNE 22ND, 2023.

THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, THOSE MINUTES WILL STAND AS APPROVED.

OKAY.

THOSE ADMITS ARE APPROVED.

NEXT, ITEM NUMBER THREE ARE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION

[ City Manager Report]

THIS EVENING, AND WE'LL GET STARTED ON THREE A, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT.

BRIAN? UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR, UH, COUNSEL IN THE COMMUNITY THIS EVENING.

UH, AS WE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED, STAFF DID MEET TODAY WITH T E C ENGINEERING ABOUT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY EFFORTS ON TROY PIKE BETWEEN EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD AND TAYLORSVILLE ROAD.

UH, WHILE, UH, STAFF'S INITIAL EXPECTATIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING WERE MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, TODAY'S MEETING WAS PRODUCTIVE REGARDING A FEW DIFFERENT ITEMS. UH, FIRST, UH, TRA THE, UH, TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC COUNT IS COMPLETE AND READY FOR MODELING.

UH, THE CRASH HISTORY DATA, UH, HAS BEEN ANALYZED AND IS COMPLETE AND READY FOR MODELING.

AND THEN THE ORIGIN DESTINATION DATA, UH, IS NOW BEING ANALYZED TO FACILITATE, UH, TRAFFIC MODELING.

UH, STAFF ALSO REQUESTED A MORE DETAILED SCHEDULE OF PROJECT PHASING, AS WELL AS, UH, SHARED THE EXPECTATIONS, UH, THAT, UH, WE PLAN TO BUDGET, UH, FOR, UH, NEXT STEPS AND, UH, THE 2024 BUDGET.

SO WE WOULD LIKE, UH, DETAILED INFORMATION FROM THEM, OR WE WOULD LIKE THEIR DETAILED RECOMMENDATION, UM, IN SEPTEMBER, SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE 2024, UH, CITY BUDGET.

UH, ALSO OUT OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION, UH, UH, ODOT IS GIVEN THE CITY PERMISSION TO CONNECT ITS TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM TO THEIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM IN I 70.

UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCONNECTED, UH, FROM THAT SYSTEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

UH, BUT, UH, BEING ALLOWED TO CONNECT TO THAT SYSTEM WILL ALLOW US TO INTEGRATE BOTH THE TIMING OF OUR LIGHTS, UH, IN DIRECT CONNECTION TO THEIR LIGHTS AT, UH, 70, WHICH HAS BEEN A MAJOR INFLUENCE IN SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTIONS, OR THE LACK OF THAT, UH, COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN A MAJOR INFLUENCE, UH, IN OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION OVER THERE.

CAPITAL ELECTRIC, UH, OUR CONTRACTOR FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE IS CURRENTLY SURVEYING ALL OF THE, UH, SYSTEMS IN OUR BOXES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN, UH, UH, CONNECT AND COMMUNICATE WITH ODOT SYSTEMS SO THAT WE HAVE A COMPATIBLE TECHNOLOGY.

UH, AND ONCE THEY CAN CONFIRM THAT, THEY WILL BEGIN, UH, MAKING THE NECESSARY CONNECTION SO THAT THOSE LIGHTS CAN ALL BE BROUGHT INTO SYNCHRONIZATION.

UH, NEXT, UH, ALSO WANT TO UPDATE, UH, COUNSEL AND THE COMMUNITY WITH REGARDS TO ITEMS THREE F AND THREE H ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

VEOLIA HAS REPORTED THAT THROUGH, UH, JUNE 30, UH, OF THIS YEAR, UH, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED 14 WATER MAIN BREAKS.

THIS DATA WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE CITY IS RETURNING TO THE, THE WATER MAIN BREAKS, WATER MAIN BREAK RATES, SIMILAR TO THOSE, UH, WHICH EXISTED PRIOR TO 2019.

UH, AND THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE INFORMATION REPORTED IN THE WATER DISTRIBUTION, UH, SYSTEM INTEGRITY STUDY PREPARED BY BURGESS AND NIPPLE.

UH, LET'S SEE.

UH, NEXT, UH, THE CITY DID HOST ITS, UH, ANNUAL STAR SPRING HEIGHTS EVENT ON JULY 1ST.

AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS WHO HELPED BRING THAT EVENT TOGETHER, UH, IN SPITE OF OTHER NATURE'S IMPACTS ON THE PARADE AND THE CAR SHOW.

THE EVENT DID PERSEVERE.

UH, AND WHILE WE DID EXPERIENCE SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES WITH THE AUTOMATED SHOOTING SYSTEM, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH OUR, UH, FIREWORKS, UH, FINALE, WHICH DID KEEP PEOPLE IN ANXIOUS ANTICIPATION THROUGH THE END, UH, THE, UH, VENDOR AND THE CITY HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN COMMUNICATION, UH, ABOUT WHAT THE VENDOR CAN DO TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE SITUATION IS MADE RIGHT GOING INTO 2024.

SO, UM, WE DO WANT TO THANK, UH, THE FOLKS OVER AT RAZZI FOR BEING OPEN TO, UH, TO ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE.

AND THEN, UH, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE, UH, THAT WE HAVE HIRED, UH, OUR NEXT ASSISTANT TO CITY MANAGER, UH, MR. JEFFREY ADAMS, JR.

UH, JEFFREY IS A, UH, FORMER CANNONIER IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, UH, AND HE EARNED HIS BACHELOR'S IN, UH, POLITICAL SCIENCE FROM WRIGHT STATE UNIVERSITY.

HE ALSO HOLDS A MASTER OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM THE HARVARD AT THE MIDWEST, THE OHIO UNIVERSITY, AND, UH, HAS FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, HAVING WORKED THE LAST TWO YEARS FOR THIS CITY OF DAYTON AS A LEGISLATIVE AID.

JULY 17TH WILL BE JEFFREY'S FIRST DAY WITH THE CITY.

UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, FOR COUNCIL, SIR, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? YES, I NEED IT.

SO WHAT'S THE STATUS OF DOING THE PARADE SOME OTHER TIME? UH, SO WE'VE JUST STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT THE STAFF LEVEL, AND I'M HOPING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT TO COUNSEL, IF NOT BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, THE FIRST PART OF NEXT.

OKAY.

SURE.

[00:05:01]

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

HEY, BRIAN.

UM, BY CHANCE, ARE WE DOING THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT? IT'S NOT ON THE CALENDAR, SO COULD YOU CHECK WITH STAFF AND HAPPY TO DO SO? YES, THANK YOU.

I, I THINK IT IS SCHEDULED WITH THE POLICE DIVISION.

UH, WE'VE ALREADY ADJUSTED THE CALENDAR FOR THESE MEETINGS TO AVOID BEING ON THE SAME NIGHT AS NATIONAL NIGHT.

IT'S JUST NOT ON OUR CITY CALENDAR ON THE APP.

SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

IT IS GOING TO HIT PLACE.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY,

[ Parks And Recreation Board Update]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE B, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD UPDATE.

VINCE.

HI, COUNSEL.

SO IT'S BEEN LAST, MY LAST UPDATE WAS IN APRIL, SO FORGIVE ME, BUT I, I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND A LOT DUE, DUE TO A FAMILY EMERGENCY, BUT NOW I'M BACK, SO I'M PROVIDING THAT UPDATE TO YOU ALL NOW.

SO, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN APRIL, WE HAD OUR THIRD, I BELIEVE, UH, EARTH DAY EVENT.

UM, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

THE NUMBERS CONTINUED TO INCREASE.

UM, SO WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 80 PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR.

UH, THE TEAM ALSO, BETWEEN ALL BETWEEN SEVERAL OTHER PARKS AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY ESTIMATED ABOUT 20 BAGS OF FULL TRASH WERE COLLECTED.

UM, SOME OF THE EVENTS THEY HAD, UM, THEY PAINTED, UH, KINDNESS ROCKS, WHICH WE ARE USING TO START THE, UH, HUBER HEIGHTS COMMUNITY CENTER, ROCK GARDEN OVER BY, IN FRONT OF THE SIGN, SORRY, UNDERNEATH THE SIGN.

UM, WE ALSO, UH, SEE THEY ALSO HOSTED THE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE MARRIED BADGE CLASS FOR THE SCOUTS IN THE MORNING PRIOR TO THE EVENT.

AND THEN ALSO OTHER STATIONS INCLUDED A RECYCLED BOTTLE ROCKET SHOOTING AND A STATION TO CREATE TAKE HOME MINI FLOWER PLANTS.

AND THEY ALSO WERE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT THE UPCOMING HUBER HEIGHTS COMMUNITY GARDEN PROGRAM THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY WILL START, UM, THIS YEAR AS WELL.

UH, THE TEAM WANTED TO THANK, UH, KONA ICE FOR COMING OUT AND TO PACK 2 68 AND TROOP 2 68 AND 5 2 68 FOR HELPING TO RUN SOME OF THOSE STATIONS AS WELL.

SO IT'S A GREAT, UM, PARTNERSHIP THERE, UH, BETWEEN THE BOY SCOUTS, THE COMMUNITY GARDEN CLUB, THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD, AND CITY STAFF.

UH, THE LAST THING, WELL, LAST TWO THINGS I WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON IS I, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW HOW GRATEFUL I AM AND PROUD I AM WITH SOME OF OUR YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE SOME BOY SCOUTS THAT HAVE VOLUNTEERED, UM, AND TO PROVIDE SOME PROPOSALS ON SOME PROJECTS, UM, FOR, WELL, ONE WAS FOR THE PARKS, UM, AND THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA GO IN ANOTHER LOCATION.

SO ONE INDIVIDUAL, UH, PROVIDED, UM, AN IDEA OR PROPOSAL FOR BAT BOXES.

UM, THAT'S TO HELP WITH THE BAT HABITATION WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE AREA, UM, THAT, THAT'S ALSO EAT MOSQUITOES.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL, YOU KNOW, LESSEN SOMEWHERE AROUND MOSQUITOES.

AND THANK TO MR. KOWSKI, HE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THOSE WOULD GO, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE CITY WETLAND AREA OFF OF CENTER POINT.

OKAY.

NEAR CENTER POINT.

SO, UM, THAT'LL BE A GREAT IDEA THERE.

SO THE BOARD SUPPORTED AND ARE HELPING TO FUND, UM, THAT EFFORT.

THE SECOND ONE, UM, WHICH IS COMING UP TO STAFF THIS WEEK, IS, UM, WE HAD A GENTLEMAN COME UP AND HE WANTED TO BUILD A FIRE PIT OVER BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE FRONT.

SO, UM, I JUST RECEIVED THAT.

UM, SO I, THE BOARD CONCURRED, I AM WRITING UP THE PROPOSAL NOW TO SEND OVER TO CITY STAFF FOR THEIR REVIEW.

UM, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR REGARDING FIRE, UH, AND WHAT IS PERMITTED AND WHAT'S NOT, AND THEN WE'LL GET, UH, MR. KOWSKI, UH, CONCURRENCE ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT THE BOARD DID SUPPORT THAT, AND IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO, WE WOULD LIKE TO HELP HIM WITH HIS PROJECT AS WELL.

AND THAT IS MY UPDATE FOR THIS COURT.

ARE ANY QUESTIONS? THANKS, VINCE.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR VINCE? TOM? UH, NO QUESTIONS.

JUST A COMMENT, UH, TO VINCE AND YOUR BOARD, UH, EXCELLENT, UH, PRESENTATION DOWN AT THE, UM, STAR SPAN OLD FESTIVAL.

UH, I SAW YOU HAULING AROUND THERE, UM, UH, ALSO TO THE A AND B BOARD, CITY COULDN'T DO WHAT IT DOES, UH, TO PUT ON A SPECTACULAR EVENT LIKE THAT WITHOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND YOUR BOARD A AND B AND THEIR BOARD.

IT WAS, UH, AN AWESOME EVENT AND JUST THANKS FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.

IT WAS A WONDERFUL THING FOR YOU GUYS TO DO.

NO PROBLEM.

IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT OF FUN TRYING TO PARK OUT FOOD, 28 FOOD TRUCKS, .

SO, BUT I, IT WAS, UH, I WOULD SAY THE EVENT WAS GREAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP GETTING SOAKED.

UM, BUT, UM, I'M GLAD EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY HAD A GREAT TIME AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

IF YOU

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COULD DO SOMETHING NEXT YEAR ABOUT THE RAIN ON THE PARADE, IT'D BE GREAT, BUT THANKS.

WELL, THANKS, MAN.

TENSE.

NO, I'M JOKING.

OKAY.

ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, MR. KING, THANK YOU AGAIN TO PARROT WHAT COUNCILMAN WEBB SAID.

APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND YOUR WHOLE ENTIRE PARKS AND RECS BOARD.

SO WOULD YOU MAKE SURE YOU MENTION THAT, UH, TO THEM AS WELL? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THEY DO.

WILL DO.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

THANK YOU, MARK.

I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS CAME TO EARTH DAY, APPROXIMATELY? ABOUT 80.

ABOUT 80, OKAY.

AND WHAT DID THE CITY SPEND? I WILL HAVE TO BRING, I, I WILL HAVE TO SEND THAT UP.

I DON'T, THAT'S FINE.

I DIDN'T BRING MY NUMBERS WITH ME.

THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO.

NO PROBLEM.

A LOT OF THE THINGS WE TRY AND GET DONATED, LIKE SOME OF THE EGG CARTONS AND STUFF, BUT, UM, WE DID HELP SPONSOR, UM, THE KONA ICE, I BELIEVE, AND SOME OTHER THINGS, SO I CAN GET YOU THE COST.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

NO PROBLEM.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, THANKS, FENCE.

ALL RIGHT,

[ Fire Division Staffing Update]

THANK YOU.

SEE YOU NEXT QUARTER.

NEXT UP, ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE FIRE DIVISION STAFFING UPDATE.

BRIAN, UH, THANK YOU.

JUST, UH, WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT, UH, AS OF THIS MEETING, WE CONTINUE TO REMAIN FULLY STAFFED AT, UH, 42.

UH, AND, UH, AS, UH, CHIEF KNISELY PREVIOUSLY COMMUNICATED, WE'LL BE BRINGING IN SEVERAL OF THOSE, UH, PERSONNEL THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE DEPARTMENT HERE SHORTLY BEFORE COUNCIL TO MAKE, UH, INTRODUCTIONS.

BEYOND THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

SO, WHAT'S SO ON THIS STATUS NOW THAT WE'RE AT 42 FIREFIGHTERS AND WE'VE BEEN THAT WAY, UM, WE'LL JUST ASK COUNCILS NECESSARY TO HAVE THIS UPDATE ON EVERY WORK SESSION AGENDA AT THIS POINT.

WE'RE, WE'RE FULLY STAFFED.

WE DON'T GET THIS KINDA UPDATE ON POLICE OR, OR ANYONE ELSE.

SO I JUST WANNA ASK NOW THAT WE'RE STAFFED, WHAT'S THE STATUS, ED? UM, I'M FINE, UH, WITH DROPPING THAT OFF AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE SEE THE NEW FIREFIGHTERS.

THAT WILL BE MONDAY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE STANDARD THAT WAS SET OUT LONG TIME AGO, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL, ASSUMING WE HAVE EVERYBODY THERE ON MONDAY AND THE NEW FIREFIGHTERS INTRODUCED, THEN WE'LL REMOVE THIS ON THE NEXT COUNCIL WORKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

[ New Medic Purchase - Fire Division]

NEXT IS THE PNE MEDIC PURCHASE FROM THE FIRE DIVISION.

YES, COUNSEL.

UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE, UH, CHIEF LEYS TAKING A WELL-DESERVED VACATION, SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME TONIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE.

UM, WE ARE ASKING, UH, A FEW THINGS HERE.

ONE, UM, THIS, THIS MEDIC PURCHASE IS, UH, USING STATE TERM PRICING.

UH, THE PRICE IS $355,000, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LANGUAGE.

IT IS FROM HORTON NAMELESS COMPANY, WHICH WE'VE GOT A PRETTY LONG HISTORY WITH.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LOCAL OHIO COMPANY OUTTA COLUMBUS THAT PROVIDES US WITH A COUPLE, UM, REALLY NICE THINGS THAT WE GET FROM THEM.

UH, WE'RE CLOSE TO THE FACTORY SO WE CAN KIND OF GO UP DURING THE PROCESS.

WE'RE CLOSE TO THE, UH, MAINTENANCE FACILITY ALSO, IF WE HAVE ANY REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

AND THEN WE DO FEEL THEY'RE ONE OF THE ONLY AMBULANCE COMPANIES THAT DOES CRASH TESTING FOR THEIR AMBULANCES.

SO THE SAFETY AND, AND, AND WELLBEING OF OUR PATIENTS AND OUR CREW MEMBERS IS, IS PRETTY VITAL.

SO, UM, THE BIGGEST REASON TONIGHT FOR US TO, UH, ASK FOR THIS TO BE MOVED INTO THIS, UM, YEAR'S, UH, BUDGET IS TYPICALLY THIS, OR ORIGINALLY THIS WAS SCHEDULED FOR 2024.

RIGHT NOW IN THE FIRE E M S INDUSTRY APPARATUS, WE'RE SEEING DELAYED TIMES ON DELIVERY.

SO RIGHT NOW, UH, WE WERE JUST UP AT HORTON LAST, LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO.

UM, IF WE ORDER TODAY, THE DELIVERY TIME'S ABOUT 600 DAYS, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA REALIZE THIS INTO OUR FLEET UNTIL 2025.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE WANTING TO MOVE IT UP THIS YEAR.

USED TO, IT'D BE ABOUT 300 DAYS, WHICH NEXT, LAST OR NEXT YEAR WOULD'VE BEEN FINE, BUT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EXTENDED RIGHT NOW, SO, AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS, SEAN.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, ED.

THANK YOU.

UM, CHIEF, THE, UM, INFORMATION IN OUR BUDGET OR, UH, PACKET TODAY YES.

SAID THAT THIS WAS IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR, BRIAN, CORRECT? WASN'T IT? YES.

IS IT OKAY.

SORRY, MY MIC WASN'T ON.

UM, YES, IT IS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR 330,000, AND WHEN I TALKED TO CHIEF LEY, HE SAID THAT, UM, THERE WAS THE OTHER 25,000 THAT'S NEEDED CAN BE MOVED FROM ANOTHER ACCOUNT.

SO WE ARE, WE'RE NOT ASKING AT THIS TIME FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, UH, TO MAKE THIS PURCHASE.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WE WILL DO THIS ON A LEASE, UM, PURCHASE.

SO, UH, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET AS AN EXPENSE, UH, WHEN WE ORDER IT AND, UH, GET IT ON A PURCHASE ORDER.

BUT THEN WHEN IT IS DELIVERED IN, UM, EITHER LATE 24 OR EARLY 25, WE WILL, UH, AT THAT TIME THEN DO A LEASE PURCHASE, UH, BRING FINANCING TO YOU LIKE I JUST DID ON THE ONE WE JUST PICKED UP FOR THIS YEAR.

AND, UM, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT, UH, WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN IT'S DELIVERED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND

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ALSO, UH, WOULD WE BE, UH, FRONTING THE MONEY A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE LEASE, OR WOULD IT BE PAID IN INCREMENT SINCE IT'S SUCH A LONG DELIVERY DATE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO FRONT ANY MONEY ON THIS.

WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER IN PLACE TO ORDER IT.

AND, UM, LIKE WE DID ON THE LAST ONE, UH, THE LAST ONE WAS ORDERED BACK IN 2021.

UH, WE JUST HAD A PURCHASE ORDER IN PLACE, UH, BUT THAT, UM, WHEN THE LEASE PROCEEDS COME IN, WE, WE WOULD GET THE PROCEEDS FOR THE ENTIRE 355,000.

SO WE'D HAVE TO SHOW THE REVENUE COMING IN AS LEASE PROCEEDS.

THE EXPENSE, UH, WE, I CALL IT A MEMO EXPENSE.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, WE MAKE, UH, DEBT PAYMENTS, UH, FOR FIVE, USUALLY IT'S A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

UM, SO, UH, THOSE WILL BE, UH, IT'S SPREADING OUT, UH, PAYMENTS FOR MEDICS, UH, UNTIL USUALLY ABOUT EVERY FOURTH OR FIFTH YEAR WE GET ANOTHER MEDIC.

AND SO WE'RE NOT HAVING SUCH A BIG HIT ON THE BUDGET AT ONE TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ONTO MONDAY? OKAY,

[ Splash Pad - Thomas Cloud Park]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS THE SPLASH PAD AT THOMAS CLOUDPORT.

BRYAN, UH, THANK YOU, SIR.

THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA, SO, UH, THE COUNCIL COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AMENITY AND ITS FUTURE WITHIN THE CITY'S RECREATIONAL PORTFOLIO.

SO STAFF HAS NO COMMENTS, UH, TO OFFER OTHER THAN TO BE RESPONSIVE TO COUNSEL'S QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

SO I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPENED AROUND THIS HAVE BEEN BASED ON SOME EMAIL TRAFFIC.

OKAY.

WOULD BE BETTER BE BETTER OFF CLOSING IT DOWN, KEEPING IT OPEN, LOOKING AT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

UM, I, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ON TURNING THIS INTO JUST A, UM, NATURAL WATER TYPE OF FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO A FILTRATED SYSTEM, BECAUSE THE FILTER SYSTEM IS WHAT'S BEEN COSTING SO MUCH OF THE MAINTENANCE TO KEEP UP.

CORRECT.

SO, IS, IS THERE AN ANALYSIS BEING DONE OR CLOSE TO BEING DONE TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF WE JUST JUST RAN FRESH WATER THROUGH THE WHOLE THING THE ENTIRE TIME SURE.

VERSUS THE, THE COST OF CHLORINATED AND MAINTAIN IT? YEAH, SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH RESPECT TO REGULAR ONGOING MAINTENANCE EXPENSES, UH, CURRENTLY AVERAGE, UH, $30,000 IS WHAT WE, UH, PUT INTO THIS, UH, PARTICULAR FACILITY.

UH, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS, UH, A GREAT DEAL OF, UH, THE TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY ARE MAINTENANCE AND ITEMS, UH, RELATED TO THE FILTRATION SYSTEM, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, THE SAND FILTERS AS WELL AS BECAUSE OF THE MATERIAL THAT COMES ONTO THE SPLASH PAD FROM, UH, FROM THE GRASS AREA AROUND.

SO EVERY TIME THAT WE CUT THE GRASS AND THE KIDS GET WET, AND THEN THEY BRING THAT ONTO THE SPLASH PAD, THEN THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND WE, WE HAVE TO MAINTENANCE THAT.

BUT CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS WE ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION, AND WE INTEND TO HAVE THIS AS PART OF THE 2024 BUDGET, WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS AS A RECYCLING SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO NOW.

SO, UH, TYPICALLY, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THE SYSTEM TURNS ON, UM, THERE'S A 4,000 GALLON TANK IN THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, AND THEN THAT TANK FILLS WITH WATER AND IT HOLDS THE WATER.

AND THEN AS EVAPORATE AS WE LOSE WATER THROUGH EVAPORATION OR, UM, AS IT MOVES OFF THE PAD, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT TANK THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO KEEP PRESSURE IN THE SYSTEM.

AND THEN THAT TANK WILL FILL ANYWHERE FROM ONCE TO TWICE A DAY EFFECTIVELY IS, IS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.

SO WE WOULD LOOK TO EITHER A, CONTINUE THAT PROCESS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, CHANGE HOW WE MAINTENANCE THAT SYSTEM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A, A TRANSITION IN FILTERS, SORRY.

SO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A TRANSITION IN OUR FILTRATION SYSTEM, UM, CAN WE CHANGE ANY OF THE MECHANICALS ON, ON, UM, ON THAT SYSTEM TO MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE? UH, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S JUST SIMPLY EASIER TO JUST, UH, PUMP THE WATER ONTO THE SPLASH PAD AND THEN IMMEDIATELY DISCHARGE IT, UM, INTO THE CREEK THAT'S JUST TO THE SOUTH.

UH, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE NEED, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, IF WE WERE TO JUST SIMPLY PUMP AND DUMP THE WATER, UH, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD NEED ANY TYPE OF, UM, UH, RETENTION OR DETENTION ON SITE.

WE THINK THAT WE COULD RE UH, REUSE THE TANK THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.

UH, BUT WE ARE STILL DOING SOME, SOME FINAL RESEARCH AND REVIEW ON THAT, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.

SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT BETWEEN, UH, THE EFFORTS OF, UH, MR. GRAY, MR. BERGMAN AND MR. LINDMAN, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS.

UH, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE SPLASH PAD IS APPROACHING, UH, IT'S THIR, I BELIEVE IT'S 13TH YEAR IN SERVICE.

UH, AND SO THERE ARE SOME REGULARLY SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE, UH, ITEMS THAT HAVE TO OCCUR.

UH, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF THOSE, UM, SPRAY FEATURES, A NUMBER OF THOSE ITEMS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE SPLASH PAD.

AND SO THOSE ARE GONNA NEED TO BE CYCLED OUT AND REPLACED WITH NEW EQUIPMENT.

AND

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THAT'S, UH, NOT A SIGN THAT THE PAD ISN'T WORKING PROPERLY OR FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY.

THAT'S JUST WHERE IN TEAR AND MAINTENANCE OF A, UM, WELL-LIKED AMENITY.

SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE WE SET, UH, STAFF-WISE, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A, A QUESTION AND CONCERN AND SOME VARIETY, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

WE THINK THAT, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY REDUCE, UH, OUR ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS FROM 30 DOWN TO ABOUT $10,000 IF WE WERE TO MOVE TO, UH, THAT PUMP AND DUMP SYSTEM, BECAUSE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ONSITE ON A REGULAR BASIS WOULD, WOULD DIMINISH SIGNIFICANTLY WITH RESPECT TO, UM, TESTING, CHEMICAL TESTING AND MAINTENANCE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S, UM, THAT IS THE, NONE OF IT, UM, IN SHORT ORDER.

BUT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, NANCY? UM, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE, UM, I'M SURE WE DO, UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE THE MAINTENANCE RECORDS TO, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CAUSE OF EACH FAILURE WAS AND WHAT THE COST WAS TO REC RECTIFY IT, UH, TO SEE IF, UM, IF IT IS A MECHANICAL FAILURE OR, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO PRECIPITATE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM OR SOMETHING? UM, AND HAVE WE CONSIDERED DOING A NEW PAD ALTOGETHER, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NO, WE HAVE NOT.

UH, WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE ONE OPTION WE CAN CONSIDER.

UH, I THINK THIS IS A VALUABLE ASSET FOR OUR CITY.

I'D HATE TO, UM, HATE TO LOSE IT AND OR, OR TO KEEP DUMPING MONEY INTO A SYSTEM THAT IS AGED AND PROBABLY GETTING VERY NEAR THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.

UM, THE THIRD ONE ON THE PUMP AND DUMP SYSTEM, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE, UM, INTRICACIES OF THAT, BUT HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN, WITHOUT THE CHLORINE AND EVERYTHING, HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THE SANITATION OF THAT SYSTEM? SO THERE ARE, UH, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN, UH, A CERTAIN PH BALANCE AND CHEMICAL CONTENT TO THE WATER.

UH, AND YOU ARE STILL, WE ARE STILL REQUIRED TO SAMPLE TWICE DAILY WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

UH, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RECIRCULATING THE WATER, THOSE, UM, THOSE CHEMICAL VARIANTS CHANGE THOSE, UM, BALANCES CHANGE.

I DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL DATA ON THAT, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND, AND SHARE THAT WITH COUNSEL WHEN WE WE BRING THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD, UM, SO THAT WE CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT INVOLVES AND, AND, UM, HAVING TO INSPECT IT TWICE A DAY, UM, MAY NOT SEEM LIKE LABOR INTENSIVE, BUT WITH ALL THE OTHER DUTIES THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE HAVE, IT MIGHT BE A BURDEN ON THEM.

SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE FACTORS.

JUST TAKING SOME NOTES HERE.

OKAY.

OKAY, GLENN? YEAH.

THANK YOU.

UM, I'M WITH MS. BIRCH ON THIS ONE.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE PUT INTO IT, UM, TODAY TO SEE, UH, TO USE , TO USE AN ANALOGY, I DON'T MIND THROWING SOME PARTS INTO AN OLD CAR TO KEEP IT RUNNING, BUT THERE BECOMES A POINT WHERE IT JUST USELESS TO CONTINUE THROWING PARTS AT.

UM, SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

WHETHER WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO USE IT THIS WAY, GO TO THAT PUMP AND DUMP.

AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, MY CURIOSITY WOULD BE THE 20,000 SAVED ON MAINTENANCE.

HOW MUCH WOULD THAT OFFSET THE WATER USAGE ITSELF? CUZ I KNOW WE'D HAVE TO PUMP FRESH WATER THROUGH.

UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S BEEN, AS YOU STATED, 13 YEARS WAS BUILT IN 2010, YOU KNOW, AT A COST OF, I WANT TO SAY 275,000, BUT THERE WAS A, I KNOW A BOND ISSUE FOR FOUR 50 ON, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE COST WERE, BUT I KNOW THAT MONEY'S BEEN PUT INTO IT.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE WORTH IT CONTINUING TO PUT MONEY INTO REPLACEMENTS.

SO I'M WITH NANCY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COSTS ON IT, SEE WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL BENEFITS.

I AGREE IT'S A GREAT AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY AT THAT PARK PLACE WHEN YOU GOT KIDS THAT ARE DOWN THERE WITH SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND STUFF DURING HOT WEATHER.

GOOD.

COOL OFF.

UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SAME INFORMATION AND SO WE CAN WEIGH OUT WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR US.

YEAH, WE NEED TO REALLY KNOW HARDCORE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, ELSE ANITA, I KNOW WE GOT AN EMAIL AT ONE OF THE CITIZENS ASKED WHETHER, IF WE DON'T DO THAT, IF IT'D BE WORTHWHILE TO BUY, UM, FOR LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS TO BYPASSES TO THE WATERPARK INSTEAD OF USING THE SPLASH PAD.

BUT MY QUESTION IS FOR LEGAL, DOES THAT SET US UP FOR LEGAL LIABILITY IF A CHILD OR SOMEBODY GETS HURT AT THE WATERPARK AND WE'VE BOUGHT THE PASS

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FOR THEM? THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'M CURIOUS IF WE LEGALLY PURCHASE SOMETHING FOR OUR FAMILY.

DOES THAT PUT US AT SOME DIFFERENT LIABILITY? I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD BE PURCHASING IF IT'S YOUR WATER PARK.

WELL, WHAT WAS SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE IF WE DIDN'T RUN THE WATER PARK AND THAT EXPENSE, THAT MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THAT MONEY FOR FAMILIES IN THE CITY THAT COULDN'T NECESSARILY AFFORD A PASS TO GO TO A WATERPARK, BUT THEY WANTED TO USE THOSE AMENITIES THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF SYSTEM SET UP FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES TO BUY A PASS FOR THE WATERPARK.

BUT I ALSO AM THINKING THAT MIGHT SET US UP LIABILITY WISE.

SO YOU WOULD BE REFERRING TO TAKING THE SAVINGS AND APPLYING IT AS A WAY TO SUBSIDIZE PASS ACQUISITION COSTS BASED ON TIERED INCOMES.

VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE Y M C A DOES FOR ITS MEMBERSHIP.

OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, WE'LL, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

YEAH, I JUST, YEAH, THAT KIND OF TO ME, THANKS FOR SETTING UP A SLIPPERY SLOPE MAYBE OF LIABILITY, MAYBE NOT ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, KATE, JUST TO ASK MORE DETAILS.

SO IF THE Y M C A HAS A TIERED ADMISSION BY INCOME MEMBERSHIP BY INCOME, DON'T THEY, BRIAN? UH, YES.

FOR THEIR FACILITY, YES, THEY DO.

SO THEY COULD ALREADY GET INTO THE Y AT A TIERED INCOME AND THEY IN THE Y M C A AND THERE'S A POOL IN THERE, SO THAT'S COVERED.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE WATER PARK THOUGH.

OKAY.

THANKS FOR THE WATER PARK.

WE DON'T CHARGE FOR THE WATER PARK AQUATIC CENTER.

THE AQUATIC CENTER.

THE AQUATIC CENTER.

OH, OKAY.

I WAS JUST THINKING IF Y M C A COVERED THE POOL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING WITH.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO BRIAN, WE'LL JUST EXPECT AN UPDATE ON, UM, KINDA THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED REGARDING KIND OF THAT COSTS AND KIND OF AN ANALYSIS TO SEE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY.

NEXT IS ITEM THREE

[ 2023 Water Main Replacement Project - Award Contract]

F, WHICH IS THE 2023 WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT, RUSS? UH, YES, UH, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UM, THIS LEGISLATION WILL AUTHORIZE THE AWARD AND AN ENTER CONTRACT WITH M AND T EXCAVATING AND CG CONSTRUCTION FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WATER MAINS ON PORTION OF SEVEN DIFFERENT STREETS IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS.

ALL WITHIN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY, UH, STREET MAP HAS BEEN ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.

UH, IT SHOWS THE TWO AREAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THE WORK.

UH, THEY'RE BOTH SEPARATED, CIRCLED WITH A LARGE BLACK CIRCLE THERE.

UH, THE STREETS WE'VE CHOSEN INCLUDE ALL OF CHISHOLM, UH, CARDIFF, BURY, BURY, AND TOMBERG, AND WE HAVE CHOSEN THOSE TO BE DONE BY M AND T.

EXCAVATING, UH, PORTIONS OF LONGFORD HUBBARD, HARTWICK AND ALTER WILL BE DONE BY CG CONSTRUCTION.

THESE STREETS ARE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, HAVING THE MOST WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

UH, WE DID HAVE A BID OPENING ON JUNE 16TH.

UH, THERE WERE FIVE CONTRACTORS THAT SUBMITTED BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT, AND ALSO IN YOUR PACKET IS THE BID TABULATION.

UH, THE PROJECT WAS BID IN EIGHT SECTIONS.

UH, M AND T EXCAVATION WAS A LOW BIDDER ON SEVEN OF THE EIGHT SECTIONS.

UH, CG CONSTRUCTION WAS LOW ON ONE OF THE SECTIONS, WHICH IS SECTION SIX.

UH, AFTER REVIEWING THE BIDS, WE FELT THAT THE BEST WAY TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME WAS TO CHOOSE M AND T EXCAVATING TO DO THREE OF THE PROJECTS AND CG CONSTRUCTION TO DO FOUR OF THEM.

UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS, UH, WE DECIDED, AND THIS WAS KIND OF FOR BUDGETARY REASONS TO NOT DO AT THIS TIME, UH, WAS STORK DRIVE, WHICH WAS SECTION SEVEN ON YOUR LIST.

UH, WE CHOSE M AND T TO DO, LIKE I SAID, CHM, CARDIFF, BURY, TEWKESBURY AND TOMBERG BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEY'RE LARGER SECTIONS.

AND SO THEY WERE THE LOWER BIDDER.

WE GAVE THEM THE LITTLE BIT LARGER AREAS.

UH, WE CHOSE CG TO DO LONGFORD, HUBBARD, HARTWICK AND AL ALTER, AND THOSE ARE ALSO CLOSER TOGETHER, UH, NORTH OF CHAMBERSBURG ROAD.

UH, M AND T'S THREE SECTIONS TOTALED 2 MILLION.

THIS IS APPROXIMATE 2,077,000.

AND WITH THE TOTAL, WE HAVE A NOT TO EXCEED 10% HIGHER AT $2,284,200.

UH, CGS FOUR SECTIONS TOTALED, UH, 1,754,000 WITH A NOT TO EXCEED OF 1,929,100.

UH, THE ACTUAL BIDS TOGETHER IF YOU ADD

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'EM UP TO THE THREE AND THE FOUR WAS $3,830,619 AND 25 CENTS.

AND THIS IS JUST UNDER THE 4 MILLION THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, WE ARE, WE HAD ORDERED ZINC COATED PIPE BACK IN FEBRUARY, AND THAT PIPE WAS PRE-ORDERED AND IS EXPECTED FOR A DELIVERY IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.

UH, BOTH CONTRACTORS ARE EXPECTED TO START THE REPLACEMENT SOON AFTER THE PIPE DELIVERY.

UH, WE FELT BY SPLITTING THE TWO PROJECTS, THE TOTAL COMPLETION TIME WAS CUT IN HALF WITH THE ESTIMATED TOTAL COMPLETION TIME TO BE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT MONTHS.

UM, JIM WILL BRING THIS UP LATER, BUT I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE USING THE WATER UTILITY RESERVE FUND, WHICH IS BUDGETED FOR THIS PROJECT WITH A NOT TO EXCEED OF $4,213,300 TO COVER ANY FORESEEN UNFORESEEN ITEMS. THAT'S EVERYTHING.

THANKS ROSS.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANITA? HERE I GO AGAIN.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT ALTER SINCE THIS IS DURING THE SCHOOL TIME? WELL, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT THAT LAST AND STILL HAVE IT DONE RIGHT AFTER SCHOOL'S OUT.

I THINK IF THEY START IN SAY, OCTOBER.

UM, WELL, WE CAN WORK IT OUT.

I MEAN, WE COULD TRY TO GET IT TO SEE IF IT COULD BE DONE.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE IF I WAS LOOKING AT HUBER SCHOOLS IN ST.

PETE'S, WHICH IS THE TWO THAT IT WOULD AFFECT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S DONE BY MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

SO IF THAT GOT PUSHED TO THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YEAH, WE COULD POSSIBLY EVEN THAT, THE CON THAT CONTRACTOR IS DOING, I THINK IT SAID FOUR OF THEM.

UM, WE, WE CAN EVEN HAVE 'EM POSSIBLY WAIT, DO THREE OF 'EM AND WAIT FOR, AND COME BACK AND DO THE FOURTH IF WE HAVE TO.

YEAH, THAT JUST WOULD BE A BIG HEADACHE WITH THE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THAT STRETCH.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY,

[ Old Troy Pike Widening Project - Award Contract]

NEXT SAYS ITEM THREE G, WHICH IS THE OLD TROY PIKE WIDENING PROJECT AND AWARDING THAT CONTRACT.

RUSS? YES, UH, TWO THINGS.

I PUT A MAP UP ON THE SCREEN THERE, SEND THIS OUT.

THIS WAS, UH, LAST MEETING.

UH, RICHARD HAD TALKED ABOUT THE TIMELINE ON THIS PROJECT, AND I, I BROUGHT IT HERE LAST, LAST MEETING, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER REAL QUICK AGAIN, SOME OF THE MAJOR POINTS OF IT, UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS TO, UH, IS FOR THE BID AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OLD TROY PIKE ROADWAY WIDENING PROJECT.

UH, WE, ON THE MAP ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE RED PORTION UP THERE IS THE PORTION THAT WAS DONE BY BROAD REACH DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN THE BLUE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA PICK UP WITH THIS PROJECT'S STARTING JUST PAST THE NEW LIGHT THAT'S OUT THERE.

AND THEN WE'RE DOING A PORTION OF MERRILEE WAY ON EACH SIDE.

ACTUALLY, THIS DOESN'T SHOW, BUT ON THE RV SIDE, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME WIDENING THERE AND THEN WIDENING ACROSS DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY RAMP THAT'S THERE.

UM, THE, THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, THE INSTALLATION MASTER ARM SIGNALS AT OLD TROY PIKE AND MERLEY WAY AND MEDIAN MODIFICATIONS ON OLD TROY PIKE, UH, JUST NORTH OF MERLEY WAY.

UM, THE BID TABULATION WAS INCLUDING YOUR PACKET, AND AS I SAID, THAT WAS FROM LAST MEETING.

UH, THERE WERE THREE CONTRACTORS THAT BID ON THE PROJECT.

THE LOW BIDDER WAS LJ DEIS CONSTRUCTION WITH A LOW BID OF $2,052,309 AND 85 CENTS.

THE SECOND, THIRD BIDDER, UH, BIDDERS WERE, UH, BARRETT PAVING AND MAJOR ENTERPRISES.

AND ALL THE OTHER TWO BIDS ALL CAME WITHIN THE ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UM, MORE THAN THE LOW BID.

UH, WE WOULD STILL LIKE TO AWARD THIS PROJECT TO LJ DEIS AT A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $2,150,000.

UM, WE HAD BUDGETED LAST YEAR.

I LIKE LAST MEETING, I SAID 1.5, BUT IT WAS 1.4 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.

AND, UH, SINCE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY, TIFF AREA, UH, JIM BELL WILL BRING BACK, UH, WE'D LIKE TO USE 895,000 IN ITS SUPPLEMENTAL TO TRANSFER FROM THE COUNTY TIF TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.

IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT WE NEED, UM, THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY WILL ALSO BE USED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FI.

WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE TO FINALIZE YET.

UM, LIKE I SAID, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, RICHARD BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CALENDAR DAYS THAT WOULD COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

UH, I DID CONTACT THE, UH, THE TWO LOW BIDDERS, WHICH WAS LJ DE AND UH, BEAR PAVING.

AND YOU COULD SEE FROM THE FIRST ONE THAT, UH, LJ DE DID COME IN, UH, WITH, I ASKED HIM BOTH TO DO LIKE A BEST CASE SCENARIO OF THE PROJECT.

AND, UM, LJ DID COME IN WITH ABOUT NINE TO 10 MONTHS TO FINISH THE PROJECT VERSUS THE 19 MONTHS.

HE

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ORIGINALLY PUT DOWN HIS CALENDAR DAYS.

NOW WE WOULD AWARD THE PROJECT WITH THOSE SAME AMOUNT OF HIGH CALENDAR DAYS, BUT HE JUST HAS THAT IN THERE FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH DELIVERY DATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO SOME OF THIS MAY NOT STILL GET DONE ON HIS EXACT SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT HE CAME BACK WITH.

HE CAME WITH THE FIRST TIME.

SO, AND THEN BARRETT PAVING, THEY COULDN'T ACTUALLY START FOR, UH, TWO OR THREE MONTHS.

AND, UH, BOTH, THEY GAVE YOU BOTH TWO SCHEDULES AND BOTH OF 'EM WERE WITHIN, UH, THE YEAR 2025.

SO WAY OUT.

SO THAT'S WHY, UH, I'D STILL LIKE TO AWARD THIS TO LJ DEIZ AT THIS TIME.

UM, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR RUSS? GLENN, NO QUESTIONS.

COMMENT.

UH, RUSS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REACHING OUT AND GETTING, UH, UH, MORE OF AN UPDATED, UH, SCHEDULE AS TO WHAT THEY CAN DO.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOREVER.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A FEW, COUPLE, FEW YEARS NOW, AND, UM, I'M JUST EXCITED TO SEE IT FINALLY MOVE FORWARD.

UM, IT JUST, IT FELT LIKE IT WAS GONNA TAKE FOREVER, SO THANK YOU FOR PUSHING THAT.

I, UH, THAT TIMELINE CERTAINLY IS MUCH BETTER THAN LOOKING INTO 2025 FOR THAT.

SO GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE, ANITA, BUT IF IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT, THEN THEY COULD TAKE LONGER.

I MEAN, CAN WE NEGOTIATE THE NUMBER OF DAYS IN THAT CONTRACT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S OPENING UP A, A GAP FOR THEM TO GO WORK ON SOMETHING ELSE OR DO SOMETHING.

AND I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, WITH THE CONTRACT SAYING IT'S 590 DAYS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S STILL ALLOWING THEM A WHOLE LOT OF TIME, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE JUST WROTE THIS FOR US, THAT DOESN'T HOLD 'EM TO ANYTHING TRUE.

UM, I CAN TALK TO 'EM TO SEE WHETHER THEY CAN REDUCE IT.

I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REDUCE IT TO THAT DIRECT SCHEDULE, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO REDUCE IT SOME DOWN FROM THE 570 I THINK THEY HAD.

SO BY MONDAY I'LL TRY TO GET THEM, GET IT BACK TO SEE WHETHER I CAN GET IT LOWERED.

OKAY.

THEY DO WANT TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED.

THEY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WANT TO GET IT DONE TOO, SO, AND I'VE WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE AND THEY USUALLY PRETTY GOOD.

AND WHAT ELSE? COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING AWARDING THIS CONTRACT TO MONDAY? NO.

[ Water Infrastructure Update]

OKAY.

MOVING ON.

NEXT IS M THREE H REMOTE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WATER UPDATE.

UM, BRIAN RUSS, I KNOW YOU GUYS, BRIAN, YOU HAD MENTIONED SOME OF THIS IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR SAME MAJOR REPORT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD THERE? UH, OTHER THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO CHECK OFF, UH, ITEMS FOR THE 2023 WATER MAIN PROJECT.

AS THERE, UH, COMING UP ON THE CALENDAR, UH, I DO WANT TO, UH, LET COUNSEL KNOW THAT WE ARE MINDFUL OF THE COMMENTS, UH, PROVIDED THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER ABOUT, UH, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE PHASING OF PROJECTS AND WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MOBILIZATION AND THIS IS PREP WORK AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO WE STARTED HAVING, UH, THE CONVERSATION INTERNALLY ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO PREPARE THAT INFORMATION AND PRESENT THAT INFORMATION SO THAT, UH, CITIZENS CAN BE INFORMED, UH, ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT.

UM, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE IDEA OF, UH, HOW WE'RE PRESENTING THAT INFORMATION.

BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE SAY, HEY, YOU SHOULD EXPECT PREP WORK TO TAKE A WEEK, AND IT TAKES TWO WEEKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM, RIGHT? IF, IF WE TELL 'EM PREP WORK'S GONNA TAKE TWO WEEKS AND IT TAKES A WEEK AND A HALF, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME PROBLEMS THERE TOO.

SO IT'S NOT JUST NECESSARILY, UM, THE STAGING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL OF, BUT HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF, OF HOW THESE PROJECTS WORK AND, AND THE VARIOUS TIMELINES AND THE MANY FACTORS THAT INFLUENCE THOSE TIMELINES.

SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY AND PUT THAT TOGETHER, UH, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT HERE, UM, IN ANOTHER FEW MEETINGS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT AND REVIEW THAT, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, UH, IN ADDITION TO JUST THESE, THESE DATES, UM, AT, AT MAJOR MILESTONES.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, SIR, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE,

[ Supplemental Appropriations]

WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS THIS EVENING, JIM? UH, YES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I HAVE, UM, ONE ITEM ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AS, UH, RUSS ALLUDED TO JUST MOMENTS AGO.

UH, WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET WAS, UM, A, UH, $3 MILLION ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.

AND THIS IS FOR FACADE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE SIERRA DAYTON PROPERTY ON BRANT PIKE.

AND, UM, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY,

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UH, BUDGETED, UH, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR.

AND THEN, UH, BIDS CAME IN TOO HIGH.

AND SO NOW WE'RE, UH, LOOKING TO DO THAT AGAIN.

MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, DETAILS COULD BE PROVIDED BY BRIAN ON THAT.

UM, AND THEN I HAVE AN ADD-ON TONIGHT, AS RUSS STATED, THE BUDGET FOR THE, UM, UH, THE PROJECT THAT HE JUST REFERRED TO FOR ULTRA PIKE WIDENING, UH, WAS NOT, UH, WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PUT IN.

THE BUDGET IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO COVER THE, UH, THE BIDS THAT CAME IN.

AND SO THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT NEEDED, AS HE MENTIONED, WAS $895,000.

AND I WOULD PROPOSE THAT THAT WOULD BE A TRANSFER FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF FUND, WHICH, UH, WAS, UH, HOW WE WERE ORIGINALLY, UM, BUDGETING THIS, UH, PROJECT TO TAKE PLACE.

SO THAT WOULD BE A TRANSFER FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY TIFF OVER TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, AND THEN SPENDING THE MONEY IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SELF-GENERATING REVENUE SOURCE.

THANKS, JIM.

BRIAN, ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, JUST THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION WE WOULD ASK, UH, THE COUNCIL ENTERTAINED AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, THAT YOU WAIVED THE, UM, THAT YOU WAIVED THE, UH, PERIOD BETWEEN READINGS, UH, AND ADOPT THAT EVENING.

UM, THIS IS A PARTICULAR MEASURE THAT WOULD ENABLE US TO ACCOMPLISH, I THINK, A GOAL OF JUST ABOUT EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, WHICH IS TO GET, UH, THE REHABILITATION OF WHAT WAS THE, THE MARION MEADOWS, UH, CR DATE IN THE AREA MOVING AND, AND GOING FORWARD, UM, IN THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, UH, THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.

UH, THIS PROJECT'S KIND OF BEEN AFFECTED, I THINK BY JUST ABOUT EVERY POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT ONE COULD, UH, TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UM, UH, WE HAD COVID, WE HAD SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

UH, WE HAD SOME, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL MATTERS ON SITE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND, AND REMEDIATED.

UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S READY TO SEE THIS THING GOING FROM COUNCIL TO STAFF TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT COUNCIL, CONSIDER THAT, UH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS MATTER NEXT WEEK, UH, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, ENGAGE WOODARD AND GET THEM MOVING FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.

UH, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO GET GOING AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE READY TO GO.

SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

THANKS, RYAN.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES, GLENN.

THANK YOU.

MARY, DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR ANYTHING ON THIS, BRIAN? AS FAR AS WHAT WE, JUST LOOSE TIMELINES, CUZ AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING THREE YEARS SINCE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND TALKING ABOUT, UH, REHABBING IT AND, AND WE'RE STILL NOT SEEING IT.

SO AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS HAPPENING.

I SUPPORT THIS ACTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE IT YESTERDAY AND RIGHT OVER TOMORROW BASED ON, BASED ON, SO OUR, OUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN WITH, UM, SCOTT LOBBY, ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF THE COMPANY, UH, AND ONE OF THE SENIOR ASSOCIATES, UH, ONE OF THEIR SENIOR ASSOCIATES.

UH, AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, THEY CAN BEGIN PULLING PERMITS IS SOON AS TWO WEEKS AS THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED.

UH, AND THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN GET GOING, UM, JUST HERE BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.

AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL HAVE ALL OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE SOUTHERN BUILDING COMPLETE.

UH, THEY THINK THEY'RE HOPEFUL THAT THEY CAN, IF THE PLANTS, ASPHALT PLANTS STAY OPEN, THEY, UH, ARE HOPEFUL THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET, UH, THE, UH, NOT SIDEWALK, BUT THE, UH, THE ASPHALT OF PARKING LOT.

THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GET THAT DONE AS WELL.

UH, THE ONLY THING THAT, UH, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH YET THIS YEAR WOULD BE, UM, THE RAISING OF THE NORTH BUILDING AND THE RESTORATION OF THAT LOT.

SO IF THAT RUNS LONG, IT DOESN'T DO THEM ANY GOOD TO COME IN AND GRADE AND, YOU KNOW, SEE, YOU KNOW, SOIL AND SEED THAT, UM, IF WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER OR WHATNOT.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEY'RE HIGHLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THE SOONER WE ACT, THE SOONER THEY CAN GET GOING AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GET 99% OF THIS DONE, UM, YET THIS YEAR IF WE GIVE THEM THE GREEN LIGHT NOW AS OPPOSED TO SOME POINT IN TIME, THREE WEEKS FROM NOW OR FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW.

EXCELLENT.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM OWN BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE AREA, AND NOW I CAN, NOW I CAN GIVE 'EM SOME CONFIDENCE, I GUESS, AND, UH, AND A RESPONSE.

SO THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT.

SURE, ED.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCILMAN OTTO'S, UH, COMMENT, UH, HOW LONG AGO WAS IT THAT WE, UH, COUNCIL AWARDED THAT CONTRACT TO WOODARD, TO WOODARD OR WOODWARD, THE CONTRACTOR THAT WON THE, WON THE AWARD? SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, WE HAVEN'T BID THIS WORK.

WE DIRECTLY SOLICITED THE WORK.

UM, IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

THE CITY RECEIVED, UM, FORMAL BIDS.

WE RAN A MORE CONVENTIONAL RFP PROCESS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

UH, AND WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS, I BELIEVE FOUR, I WANNA SAY THERE WERE FOUR, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION FIRMS THAT PULLED PLANS, UH, AND ONLY TWO SUBMITTED BIDS.

AND THEN, UM, AS I EXPLAINED IN THE MATERIAL IN THE PACKET, UH, WE THEN WORKED WITH L WC AND THEIR NETWORK OF FOLKS TO TRY AND IDENTIFY, UM, THOSE, UM, THOSE FIRMS THAT COULD BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE WANTED, WHICH WAS, UH, AN IMPROVED BUDGET AND AN

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IMPROVED TIMEFRAME.

UH, AND WHILE THERE WERE OTHER, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT WERE INTERESTED, UH, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO TURN AROUND IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WOODARD WAS, UH, BOTH WITH RESPECT TO PROJECT COST AS WELL AS TIMELINES.

AND SO BECAUSE THIS WAS A MATTER THAT COUNSEL WANTED, UH, EXECUTED AND EXECUTED QUICKLY, UH, THAT'S WHY WE ELECTED TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH WOODARD.

OKAY.

SO WOOD ARE DOING THE WORK.

OKAY.

IF YOU'LL APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION ON MONDAY, THEY WILL BE.

YES.

OKAY.

JUST WANTED TO CHECK.

THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE? TOM? THANK YOU MAYOR.

JUST BRIEFLY, BRIAN, UM, PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR JIM BELL.

WE'RE GONNA TRANSFER, UH, THE 3 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TED FUND.

TELL ME HOW WE'RE GONNA, UH, HOW HOW'S WOODARD PAID? IS IT A LUMP SUM? UH, SURE.

SO THIS WILL BE, UM, SO THIS WILL BE IN ADVANCE FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE TED FUND BECAUSE WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL ISSUE BONDS LATER ON ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT AND SEVERAL OTHER THAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE, UM, GOVERNANCE, UM, THAT WILL HAPPEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THEN THERE'LL BE A, EFFECTIVELY, THERE'LL BE A DRAW SYSTEM, UH, RELEVANT TO THE CONTRACT.

SO AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WOODARD ACCOMPLISHES CERTAIN MILESTONES BASED ON THAT CONTRACT, THEN THEY WOULD BE PAID, UM, A PORTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO BASED ON THAT DRAW SERIES, UH, UNTIL THEY GET TO THE END.

THEN THERE'LL BE, UH, UH, UH, HOLD BACK, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THEIR PARTICULAR PROJECT IS DONE AND COMPLETE.

AND THEN WE WOULD TURN AROUND AND, UM, SWAP, WE WOULD MAKE THE LAST PAYMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR A WARRANTY BOND ON THE WORK TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE TO OUR SATISFACTION.

PERFECT.

THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, UH, DRAW.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY,

[ City Code Amendments - Part Eleven - Planning And Zoning Code]

NEXT UP IS ITEM THREE J, WHICH IS CITY CODE AMENDMENTS PART 11 PLANNING AND ZONING.

AARON? YES.

SO THIS ORDINANCE IS A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS, UH, TO THE ZONING SUBDIVISION AND ZONING REGULATIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION.

UH, THEY WERE ALSO REVIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UM, BY COUNSEL TO IMPLEMENT THOSE CHANGES TO THE ZONING TEXT.

MOST OF THEM ARE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE RATHER SMALL.

ARE YOU GOING TO READ ALL THESE WHEN IT, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE IN ONE, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE ONE TITLE TO READ.

SO, OKAY.

I'M NOT GETTING PTSD FROM MEMBER.

THE, UH, ALL THE ORDINANCE REVIEW, RIGHT.

COMMISSION.

SO AARON KIND OF PICKED UP THE BALL ON THIS.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD LANGUAGE UNDER PREVIOUS STAFF.

THEY'RE GONNA LONGER WITH THE CITY AND UH, UH, BECAUSE THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS ARE PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING CODE.

UM, AND WHEN THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT JUST NEVER MADE IT THROUGH THE PREVIOUS STAFF.

AND SO THIS IS KIND OF BRINGING THIS TOGETHER AND CLOSING THE FINAL CHAPTER ON THE, UH, ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION PROCESS FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR AARON? YES.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE AARON, TONY OR WHO.

UM, AS I WAS JUST CRUISING THROUGH THIS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS HAD MENTIONED A DELETION OF A, A DEFINITION OF PERSON, UH, THE WORD PERSON YEAH.

THAT APPLIED, THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES, IF I RECALL.

AND WE HAD HAD THAT DISCUSSION DURING THE ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION ABOUT, UM, THEIR USED LANGUAGE ABOUT, UH, MAN AND LONGMAN VERSUS, UH, AND, AND SOME OF THE SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESS LANGUAGE.

I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT YEAH, NO, YOU WANTED TO KNOW MORE.

I COULD LOOK BACK IN OUR MINUTES FROM THAT AND HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE MONDAY.

MY CONFUSION IS JUST IN THE ORDINANCE, IT, UH, IT MEN IT MENTIONS THAT, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET UNDER SEXUALLY OR IN THEIR BUSINESS, THE WORD PERSON OR PERSONS IS THERE A WHOLE BUNCH.

SO IF WE'RE DELETING THAT TERM, OKAY, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T LEAVE ALL THE WORD PERSON OR PERSON'S IN THAT CUZ IT'S THERE LOT.

DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF THAT, ERIC? YES.

SO THE, I THINK THE REASON THAT THIS WAS WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE MINUTES, THE REASON THAT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION IS DELETED IS THAT PERSON AS, AS PART OF THIS DEFINITION IS NOT JUST A PERSON, BUT IT'S ALSO AN AGENCY, UH, A CORPORATE ENTITY.

AND SO IT'S NOT A HUMAN BEING.

UH, WHEREAS THROUGH THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, IN THE ZONING CODE, WE'RE EITHER TALKING ABOUT OWNERS APPLICANT OR IN THE SEXUAL ORIENTED BUSINESS OR SEXUAL ORIENTED BUSINESS SECTION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HUMAN PEOPLE,

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INDIVIDUALS, NOT CORPORATE ENTITIES.

NO.

SO I THINK THIS WAS JUST AN OVERLY BROAD DEFINITION OF PER PERSON THAT IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ZONING CODE COVER IT.

I NO, I, I, OKAY.

OKAY.

I GET THAT.

IT'S JUST THE, IF WE DELETE THE DEFINITION OF PERSON IN, IN, IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND WE STILL HAVE LISTED THE NAME OR THE WORD PERSON DOES THAT, I, I THINK WHAT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS PERSON, UH, WOULD BE A SUBCATEGORY OF SOME OTHER DEFINITIONS IN THE CODE.

OKAY.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

WOULD INCLUDE PERSONS.

OKAY.

AND, AND ANOTHER QUESTION.

I DON'T RECALL THE CONVERSATION ON IT, UH, RELATING TO, UH, A GATED ENTRANCE AT FOR CORBY WAY, UM, UH, WHAT'S THIS CHANGE? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE I RECOLLECT THAT WAS LIKE IN THE CH IN THE, UM, IN THE CODE, BUT WE, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS ORDINANCE REVIEW COMMISSION, NO ONE KNEW WHERE THAT WAS AT OR WHAT WAS REFERENCING.

SO IT WAS JUST CLEANUP LANGUAGE, I THINK TO JUST REMOVE IT OUT OF THERE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT GATED ENTRANCE REFERS TO.

YEAH.

WERE WE REMOVING IT OR IT KIND OF READS AS IF WE ARE ADDING CORBY WAY TO THE SECTION, WE ARE ADDING CORBY WAY IN THE, INTO THE ORDINANCE TO BE A ALLOWED GATED STREET.

WAS THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE REVIEW? MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

I DON'T RECALL.

THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION OF READING THE MINUTES.

YEAH.

DID WE EVER FIND OUT WHERE HE IS AND THAT YES.

IT'S, IT'S IN, UH, MOUNT HOOD, IT CONNECTS TO, UM, BLACK SHEAR.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND, AND I'M, I WONDER WHY THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN THE ENTIRE CITY AND WHY WE, WHY THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

BUT IT'S MY, I BELIEVE IT IS THE ONLY, UM, SECTION OF STREET THAT, THAT GATES THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT, EXCUSE ME, THAT IS ACTUALLY IN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.

ALL OF OUR OTHER GATED, UH, ENTRANCES ARE NOT STREETS.

THEY'RE BASICALLY DRIVEWAYS OR, OR PRIVATE ROADS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THIS COULD GO TO, IT'S AN ORDINANCE, IT COULD GO TO TWO READINGS YEAH.

PRIOR TO ADOPTION.

OKAY.

ANY OBJECTION MOVING THIS ON TO COUNSEL MONDAY FOR THE FIRST READING.

OKAY.

[ Storage Facilities Moratorium]

X IS ITEM THREE K, WHICH IS A STORAGE FACILITIES MORATORIUM.

UH, NANCY, THIS IS NOT EVEN YOU HAD REQUESTED.

YES.

UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UM, THAT, UH, THERE ARE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, UH, ESTABLISHING SIMILAR MORATORIUMS, UM, TO FIND, UH, THE BEST WAY TO DETERMINE, UH, PROPER LOCATIONS AND OTHER SPECIFICATIONS FOR THOSE FAT FACILITIES WHEN THEY COME INTO THE CITY.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL STANDARDS.

UM, AND CONSEQUENTLY WE'VE HAD SOME PUT RIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT BACK UP, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

UM, SO, UM, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA BECOME A CITY WHERE WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE AND THE OTHER SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE ESTABLISHING MORATORIUMS, THAT WE START GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR STORAGE FACILITIES THAT REALLY DON'T BRING ANY INCOME INTO THE CITY.

AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE FACILITIES ALREADY.

SO I'M ASKING THAT WE, WE ESTABLISH A MORATORIUM WITH THE TIMELINE.

IT COULD BE ONE YEAR OR WHATEVER TO GIVE, UH, OUR, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THE NECESSARY STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND DRAFT UP SOME, UH, CODES THAT, UH, WE COULD AGREE UPON FOR FUTURE ESTABLISHMENTS OF, UH, STORAGE FACILITIES WITHIN THE AREA.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CLINT? UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER WITH, UH, HAVING STAFF LOOK INTO WHAT MAYBE OUR BEST PRACTICES SHOULD BE ON ALLOWING THEM.

WHERE AND WHY NOT? I, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANY HARM IS COMING.

I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NECESSARILY REASONS WHY, UM, OUTSIDE OF IT WAS BUILT BEHIND A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH HAPPENS.

I MEAN, THERE'S MULTIPLES OF THOSE FROM BUILT WAY BACK WHEN AND IN THE FUTURE.

UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, I I I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D NEED A YEAR.

I MEAN, WE RECENTLY HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT GAS STATIONS AND HOW MANY OF THOSE WE HAVE, AND IT SEEMS STAFF WAS ABLE TURN THAT AROUND PRETTY QUICK, GET INFO BACK TO US AND THE STATISTICS PRETTY FAST WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MORATORIUM.

I GUESS I GET THE REST OF IT LOOKING INTO IT AND ESTABLISHING SOME BEST PRACTICES, BUT, UH, ALL RIGHT.

AND MAYOR, MAY I, SURE.

UM, THE REASON I PUT A YEAR ON, I MEAN, WE CAN PUT SIX MONTHS ON IT IF YOU WANT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE START, UM, THE TIME GETS CONSUMED WITH THE END OF THE YEAR ACTIVITIES, THE BUDGETING, THE MANPOWER

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AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IT MAY BE A HARD TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FIT THIS IN, IN A SIX MONTH PERIOD, BUT WE CAN DO IT FOR SIX MONTHS AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.

AND IF NECESSARY IT COULD BE EXTENDED.

BUT THE REASON THAT I, I REALLY BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE, IF I'M NOT CORRECT, CORRECT ME, UH, BRIAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CURRENT REQUESTS FOR STORAGE FACILITIES.

SO IF WE LEAVE IT OPEN WHILE WE CONSIDER IT, WE COULD HAVE OTHER COMPANIES COME IN AND NOT HAVING ANY STANDARDS TO GUIDE HOW THE CITY WANTS THOSE HANDLED, THE PLACES THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO SEE.

WE'RE REALLY LEAVING OURSELVES OPEN TO, UM, TO HAVING THEM PLACE JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE.

SO THAT, THAT IS MY CONCERN.

ANYONE ELSE? DON UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, BRIAN, I'LL ASK YOU, BUT I KNOW WE'VE GOT AARON HERE TONIGHT, SO I'LL KIND OF DIRECT MY GLANCE OVER TOWARDS AARON AS I ASK THIS.

UH, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE PLANNING COMMISSION, AN ORGANIZATION I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH.

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PUT SOME STUFF TOGETHER FOR US? UM, MM-HMM.

, TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE GOT COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE AND, UH, UH, WHILE I'M SAYING THAT, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT CITY OF CENTERVILLE AND NOW TIP CITY, OR I'M SORRY, TROY TIP CITY, UH, IS IT TIP CITY? IT WAS TROY.

OH, I HAVE JUST, UH, UH, CENTERVILLE WENT THROUGH THE MORATORIUM PROCESS WHILE THEY REVISED THEIR CODE, UH, TO PREVENT, UH, EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN BIRDS IS TALKING ABOUT.

AND THAT IS THAT UNCOMFORTABLE THING THAT HAPPENS IF, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON OUR CODE TWO DEVELOPERS COME FORWARD WITH, WITH PLANS THAT WE CAN'T TOUCH, THEN SO I, I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

SO IF IT WAS THE COM COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO GET IT DONE IN SIX MONTHS, WE COULD GET IT DONE IN SIX MONTHS.

HOWEVER, GIVEN MY WORKLOAD OUTSIDE OF THIS ORGANIZATION, I WOULD PREFER A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

UM, BUT WE CAN, UM, WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THE BARE MINIMUM TO GET IT THROUGH FROM DRAFTING TO ADOPTION IS, UM, ABOUT 120 DAYS, ASSUMING REVISIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IN 90 TO 120 DAYS FROM DRAFTING TO FINAL ADOPTION.

CUZ I, I ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE INTEREST, UH, IN THIS TOPIC AND THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A ONE MEETING KIND OF, UH, DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAAM.

ANYONE ELSE? KATE, I SUPPORT MOVING THIS FORWARD ON MONDAY, SO I'LL ASK, I MEAN, SO GLENN, I MEAN, YOU'VE KIND OF VOICED YOUR OPPOSITION.

IS THERE A, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME THAT YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH OR NO, NOT NECESSARILY.

I JUST, I, I, I SUPPORT LOOKING INTO, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO AND, AND CERTAINLY IT D DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO PULL AND IF WE KNOW CITIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED SUCH LEGISLATION AND IT KIND OF MEET MEETS OUR NEEDS, NOTHING WRONG WITH BORROWING THAT, UH, VERBIAGE.

OH, I'M A FAN OF COPY PASTE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UM, SO I, I JUST, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH CHANGING OUR FORMAT OR, OR OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SAID THINGS.

I JUST, UH, I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A MORATORIUM IN THIS CASE TO DO THAT.

IT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE OVERLOADED WITH 'EM OR THEY'RE POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN GOT TOO MANY FOR OUR GROWING CITY.

I MEAN THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BALANCE OF STORAGE FACILITIES TO POPULATION IS, BUT, BUT WE ARE FOREVER GROWING AND THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO POP UP THOSE THAT'S IN TODAY'S MARKET.

THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE TOO.

SO, AS WE'RE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, IF I CAN INTERJECT.

SURE.

WE HAVE HAD, UM, WE HAVE HAD ONE, UM, GROUP, UM, EXPRESS SOME INITIAL INTEREST IN EXPANDING, UH, AN EXISTING FACILITY.

AND THAT EXPANSION OF WHERE THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT WOULD BE DIRECTLY, UM, ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST CONCERN FROM PLANNING COMMISSION THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT IS OUR STANDARDS AS FAR AS SEPARATION SCREENING, LIGHTING, UH, A ADJACENT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, NOBODY'S MADE ANY APPLICATIONS.

UM, BUT THERE ARE RUMBLINGS.

OKAY.

IS THERE A MAJORITY OBJECTION TO MOVING US ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

UH, MAYOR? YES.

UM, NOT AN NECESSARILY AN OBJECTION, JUST A QUESTION.

UM, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE IS THIS MONDAY, TONY GOING TO BE BOTH THE RESOLUTION IN AN ORDINANCE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, UH,

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INITIALLY, UH, AARON HAD DRAFTED THE, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, BASED ON THE CITY OF TROY, I BELIEVE.

AND, UH, THEIR CURRENT MORATORIUM THAT'S IN EFFECT.

UH, AFTER IT WENT THROUGH LEGAL REVIEW WITH THE LAW DIRECTOR, THE LAW DIRECTOR SUGGESTED THAT IT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE.

IN FACT, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED WHEN THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA FACILITIES MORATORIUM WAS PUT IN PLACE, IT WAS DONE BY RESOLUTION.

SO, UH, HE SUGGESTED THAT WE DO IT BY RESOLUTION RATHER THAN ORDINANCE.

AND, UH, ALSO HE MADE SOME, UH, JUST SOME LANGUAGE CHANGES TO IT THAT HE THOUGHT WERE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE TO, UH, THIS CITY, UH, THAN SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT HAD BEEN EXPRESSED IN THE TROY ORDINANCE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE RESOLUTION WAS ADDED.

SO WHAT WOULD MOVE ON TO MONDAY WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.

OKAY.

AND THE RESOLUTIONS.

ONE READING, UH, UP OR DOWN VOTE.

AND THEN IF IT'S PASSED, IT'S PASSED INEFFECTIVE MONDAY AFTER, AS SOON AS IT'S VOTED ON THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.

SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY TIME TO GET ANY OF THE INFORMATION FROM STAFF UNLESS THEY CAN HAVE IT TO US ON MONDAY.

ABOUT HOW MANY STORAGE UNITS DO WE HAVE AND, UH, POTENTIAL .

I THOUGHT THAT WAS BEING SUGGESTED AS PART OF THE PROCESS OF DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE TO UPDATING THE CODE, NOT TO HAVING THAT BY MONDAY.

OKAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOUR CORRECT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU, TONY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE?

[ Annexation Moratorium]

OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM THREE L, THE ANNEXATION MORATORIUM.

UH, GLENN, THIS IS YOUR RIGHT.

UH, THANK YOU MAYOR.

WHERE TO BEGIN? UM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH FROM, UM, WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM RESIDENTS OF BETHEL, BETHEL SCHOOLS.

UH, OUR OWN SCHOOL SYSTEM STRUGGLES.

WE HEAR OUR, OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS SPEAKING OUT.

WE HEAR COMPLAINTS OF TRAFFIC, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THIS IS A TIME, I BELIEVE, WHEN WE JUST SERIOUSLY NEED TO PUMP BREAKS ON ANNEXATION.

UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S PLANNED TO STOP ANYTIME SOON.

I WAS LOOKING AT THIS MAP, AS A MATTER OF FACT THAT WAS, UH, ATTACHED.

LET ME GET TO THAT.

IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE IT SHOWED, WHICH WAS, UH, SURPRISING TO ME AT THE END OF THE, UH, ANNEXATION AGREEMENT HERE WAS A, A, A PROPOSED MAP, WHICH SHOWS THE, WHAT IS IT GOING ON, 290 OR SO ACRES, UM, LOOKING TO BE, THAT WAS LOOKING TO BE ANNEXED.

UM, AND, BUT THEN IT SHOWS A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER POTENTIAL ACREAGE PRE BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY BETWEEN BRANT AND OLD TROY, SOUTH OF 40.

UM, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THIS POTENTIAL ANNEXATION, UM, IF IT CONTINUED TO MOVE FORWARD.

UH, I, MY GUESS JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP WOULD BE PROBABLY DOUBLE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD.

UM, NOW SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED OUT.

SOME OF, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF ACREAGE AND A WHOLE LOT OF WEIGHT ON TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND A COUPLE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

I, UM, I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVEN GOT STAFF, THIS CAN BE A HANDLED FROM A POLICE AND FIRE STANDPOINT TO HANDLE ALL THIS STUFF.

UM, AND UH, I GUESS DEFINITELY AT THIS POINT, I THINK UNTIL WE GET OUR OWN AFFAIRS IN ORDER AND TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN REALLY FIGHTING WITH A LOT, UM, I DON'T THINK ANNEXATION SHOULD BE ANYTHING THAT'S EVEN BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE A MORATORIUM BASED ON THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, POSSIBLY.

AND, UH, I'LL AGREE WITH MR. CAMPBELL FROM THE LAST MEETING WHO SAID THAT WE NEED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

UM, YOU KNOW, A MORATORIUM WOULD BE A GOOD THING RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, BOTH COMMUNITIES, I BELIEVE.

SO, UH, I'VE GOT THIS OUT THERE.

I HOPE IT GETS SUPPORT, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, AT THIS TIME, I JUST DON'T THINK THE CITY NOR THE OTHER COMMUNITY CAN HANDLE THIS LOAD WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT ON OURSELVES AND THEM.

IT'S BEEN VOICED OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY MANY FOLKS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, PUT THIS MORATORIUM IN PLACE.

ANYONE ELSE? ED, THANK YOU BEAR.

UH, BRIAN, THE MAP THAT COUNCILMAN OTTO IS REFERRING TO THE CREAM COLOR POTENTIAL ANNEXATION PARCELS.

APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH ACREAGE WOULD THAT BE? JUST THE CREAM COLOR.

IT'S, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 260 PLUS ACRES.

IS THAT THE, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M, I'M PULLING UP THE, THE MAP NOW.

MY APOLOGIES.

YEAH, JUST THE, UH, THE BLUE AREA IS THE AREA THAT WAS THIS YEAR LOOKED AT AS POSSIBLE.

UM, POSSIBLY BEING ANNEXED.

I'M SORRY, I, I HAD THOSE BACKWARDS.

THAT, THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT CALCULATION ON

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THOSE CREAM COLORED PARCELS, BUT I WOULD'VE, JUST BASED ON WHAT I'M VIEWING, I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT TO BE ABOUT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TOTAL ACREAGE.

OKAY.

SO, WELL IN EXCESS OF, OKAY.

I DON'T WANNA PIN YOU DOWN CUZ I KNOW THAT, BUT OVER 200 ACRES IN THE CREAM COLOR, BUT NOTHING NORTH OF 40, THAT'S THE IDEA.

CORRECT.

THAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE AGREEMENT THAT, UH, THE CITY AND THE, THE TOWNSHIP, UH, NEGOTIATED? YES.

OKAY.

AND, UM, THAT WAS THE MAPS ON PAGE 12.

AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL OF THE PARCEL INDIVIDUAL PARCELS ARE SHOWN ON PAGE 10, SO I GOT THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, BRIAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, A NEED? I'M IN SUPPORT WITH GLENN.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO STOP AND PUT A HOLD ON EVERYTHING AS FAR AS ANNEXING.

I, I MEAN, I JUST THINK WE'RE OVERDOING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW AND UNTIL WE GET SOME STUFF BUILT HERE, SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH EVERYTHING WE GOT IN PLACE AND EVERYTHING.

I DON'T SEE ANNEXING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ANNEXATION MORATORIUM ONTO MONDAY? OKAY.

THERE'S NOTHING BEEN DRAFTED AS FAR AS LEGISLATION.

THIS WAS FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

OKAY.

SO WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING PREPARED FOR, NOTHING'S BEEN DRAFTED IN TERMS OF LEGISLATIVELY.

UH, THIS WAS INTRODUCED, UH, BY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING SO.

OKAY.

SO GLENN, WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE? WELL, UM, IN THAT CASE, COULD I ASK THAT, UH, MAYBE STAFF WORK TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH SIMILAR TERMINOLOGY WITH THE, THE, THE, THE ONE THAT WAS ALREADY PUT OUT WITH THE ANNEXATION PROPOSAL AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S A, AN OBJECTION BY COUNSEL TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE THIS MARK.

YES.

I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

UH, BRIAN, YOU CURRENTLY ARE IN POSSESSION OF WHAT BETHEL HAD PASSED? YES.

OKAY.

SO I WOULD, UH, AS I STATED AT THE LAST MEETING, I, I, I SUPPORT THAT, UM, MAYBE NOT THE, UH, LENGTH.

UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, BRIAN, COULD IT BE INTERPRETED AS FOREVER, EFFECTIVELY? YES.

OKAY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT 40 YEARS AND 50 YEARS, UH, NORTH OF, UH, 40 WAS DISCUSSED.

THAT'S WHAT I HAD SAID THAT I SUPPORTED AND, AND I STILL DO, BUT I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT, UH, TONIGHT HAVING STAFF DO ANY ADDITIONAL WORK.

NANCY, UM, I, I WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED EITHER.

I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH, UH, TYING THE HANDS OF OUR FUTURE LEADERS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND JUST, JUST, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

OKAY, MAYOR, THANK YOU.

I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS? ED? NON OBJECTION.

JUST TO SUPPORT, UM, THIS IS A MORATORIUM THAT, UM, JUST TO LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION AND THIS IS WHAT APPARENTLY MAJORITY OF COUNSEL WAS OR SEVERAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WERE LOOKING FOR.

UM, AND WERE WILLING TO AGREE TO THE MORATORIUM.

NOW, IT DID COME WITH THE ANNEXATION, SO THIS IS JUST DROPPING THE ANNEXATION AND THE MORATORIUM.

UM, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, WELL, I THINK, SO I THINK THIS IS, THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS.

ADD AND BELIEVE, CORRECT.

MM-HMM.

, THE, BUT THE LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD WOULD JUST HAVE THE MORATORIUM ON IT.

AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THE MORATORIUM IN GETTING THE LEGISLATION FROM STAFF TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND, UH, AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, I KNOW YOU WERE ASKING FOR OBJECTIONS.

I'M NOT OBJECTING.

I'M JUST SUPPORTING.

OKAY.

SO, SO IN WHEN THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT I ASKED IS THIS, WAS THIS THE MORATORIUM THAT WAS IN THE, UH, WHAT THE TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES HAD VOTED ON, AND THEN IT WAS CLARIFIED NO, THAT THIS WAS A MORATORIUM FOR ALL FUTURE ANNEXATIONS.

SO THAT IS TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

I THINK WHAT THE LEGISLATION WE HAD IN FRONT OF US WAS A MORATORIUM, WHICH IS WHAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT MAP.

NOTHING, NOTHING NORTH OF 40.

LET'S THE, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THAT BELE TOWNSHIP AGREED TO.

SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MORATORIUM ON ALL FUTURE ANNEXATIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING SOUTH OF 40.

IF I MAY MAYOR THE, UH,

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THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THAT LAST ONE WITH THE MORATORIUM, YES, IT ALLOWED THIS CURRENT ANNEXATION, BUT THE VERBIAGE WAS THE SAME THING.

IT HELD A PRETTY MUCH MORATORIUM IN PERPETUITY, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS INITIAL WITH 25 YEAR CONCURRING RENEWALS UNLESS IT WAS DECIDED NOT TO.

UM, SO IT IS THE SAME MORATORIUM, IT JUST DELETES THE NEED FOR ANNEXATION PRIOR TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE MORATORIUM.

AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS SHORTER TERMS ON A MORATORIUM.

AND TO, UH, MS. BURGESS COMMENTS, UM, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE MORATORIUM ON, UH, THE, UH, MEDICAL MARIJUANA, UH, IT WAS STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT, UH, FUTURE COUNSELS COULD EASILY OVERTURN A MORATORIUM AND MOVE FORWARD IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO.

SO WE'RE NOT TYING ANYBODY'S HANDS, WE'RE JUST PUTTING OUT AN AGREEMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORS THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE RESPECTING YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR DESIRES RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.

AND, AND AGAIN, UH, LIKE MR. CAMPBELL STATED, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORLY THING TO DO.

AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

IF IT, IF IT TURNS OUT IN THE FUTURE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO BACK THAT UP, WELL, COUNSEL CAN DO THAT.

COUNSEL CAN BACK OUT OF THAT, FORTUNATELY, OR UNFORTUNATELY, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC THING FOR THEM TO DO SO, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS A BAD THING.

SO THIS ISN'T ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW ONE MORE COMMENT THAT COUNCILMAN AUTO MADE, UM, I KIND OF GO THE OTHER WAY.

UH, A MORATORIUM WOULD, IN MY OPINION, WOULD TIE COUNCIL'S HANDS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT'S WHATEVER YEARS WE DECIDE TO AGREE TO 25 50, WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT IT'S THE SAME MORATORIUM MAYOR, I THINK YOU AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE SUPPORTING THAT WAS GOING TO TIE FUTURE COUNCIL HANDS 25 YEARS WITH A RENEWAL FOR ANOTHER 50.

SO I DON'T SEE WHY THE ARGUMENT THAT TYING COUNCIL'S HANDS IN THE FUTURE IS A REASON TO VOTE AGAINST THIS WHEN YOU AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE LOOKING AT DOING THE SAME EXACT THING WITH THE ANNEXATION.

SO I THINK YOU GOTTA KIND OF PICK A SIDE AND STAY CONSISTENT.

JUST MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO THE DIRECTION OF STAFF, DON? YEAH, I, UM, I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR ON, UH, EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE PACKET WE RECEIVED, IT SAYS THE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY BETHEL TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET AS A REFERENCE, AS REQUESTED.

IT'S A REFERENCE, BUT YET I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNCILMAN OTTO'S PROPOSAL IS TO, UM, A MORATORIUM ON ALL ANNEXATION PERIOD.

WELL, THE, THE PACKET THAT COUNCILMAN LYONS IS REFERRING TO, AND THE MAP YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS SHOWING US, UM, AS, UH, AGREEING TO A MORATORIUM NORTH OF 40 UNDER THE TERMS OF, OF THE, UM, PREVIOUS AGREEMENT NORTH OF 40.

THAT, SO ARE YOU SAYING THEN THAT THE LAND BETWEEN 2 0 1, 2 0 2 SOUTH OF 40 IS STILL UNDER THE TERMS OF YOUR MORATORIUM IS STILL AVAILABLE FOR ANNEXATION? NO, NO.

AGAIN, THIS, THIS SHOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT BEFORE WE WANTED TO ANNEX THIS PIECE AND THEN SAY WE WON'T ANNEX ANYMORE IN THE FUTURE FOR A SPECIFIED TIME PERIOD.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

ALL I'M SAYING IS WE TAKE AWAY THAT WE'RE NOT ANNEXING ANYTHING.

LET'S JUST PUT THE MORATORIUM WE WON'T ANNEX FOR A PARTICULAR TIME OR, YEAH.

PER PER PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD.

IT'S, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

OKAY.

IN THAT CASE, I, AND, AND THE REFERENCE WAS JUST SO THAT WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT KIND OF DEFINED WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AS FAR AS 50 YEARS OR 25 YEAR RENEWALS, YOU KNOW, YADA YADA.

OKAY.

IN THAT CASE, I WOULD VOICE AN OBJECTION TO THAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THAT WOULD BE A MAJORITY OF WHO'S HERE, UH, TO NOT DIRECT STAFF.

YES.

WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL REQUESTING THAT ITEM TO GO ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

OKAY.

WE DO NOT HAVE FIVE OBJECTIONS.

WELL, THE, THE THREE PEOPLE IS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION, WHICH WAS DONE MM-HMM.

.

SO TO MOVE SOMETHING ONTO THE COUNCIL MEETING IS DONE BY MAJORITY.

LET ME CLARIFY, I WAS ASKING FOR STAFF TO BRING BACK A STANDALONE MORATORIUM TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, THE LANGUAGE.

I OBJECT.

THAT'S FINE.

YEAH.

SO WE HAVE THREE IN FAVOR, I, I BELIEVE OF THAT.

AND FOUR, WHICH SHOULD BRING IT TO, UH, BRING IT TO A WORK SESSION FOR DISCUSSION, FOR DISCUSSION.

BUT YOU CAN'T CORRECT

[01:15:01]

STAFF WITHOUT A MAJORITY TO PREPARE AND ANYTHING TO BRING FORTH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I MEAN, RICHARD WAS THE PERSON WHO WAS YOUR THIRD PERSON, AND HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO SHOW UP TONIGHT.

YEAH.

WELL, ANITA HAD, HAD, HE WAS UNABLE TO, SO, OKAY.

SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION AGAIN AT THE NEXT COUNCIL, UH, MEETING, WE CAN, OR AT THE WORK SESSION, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD THIS EVENING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY OF SUPPORT TO DIRECT BRIAN TO BRING ANYTHING FORTH TO COUNCIL AT THAT WORK SESSION.

OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE?

[ City Renewal Levy - Ballot Measure]

OKAY, NEXT ITEM THREE M, CITY RENEWAL, LEVI BALLOT MEASURE.

UH, THIS WAS, UH, COUNCIL, THIS I BELIEVE WAS, UM, MARKED SOMETHING YOU HAD BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN SUPPORTED BY, UH, I THINK RICHARD AS WELL.

SO, UM, BRIAN, I GUESS I'LL THROW THIS TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, OR MARK, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD ABOUT, UH, PUTTING THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

LET ME BACK ON THE BALLOT OF NOVEMBER A AS I STATED AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, I, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME BENEFIT TO, UH, PLACE US ON THE WORK SESSION AND, AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION.

UH, BRIAN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE JUST THAT AND, AND YOU HAVE INFORMATION TO SHARE.

UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT, UM, I, WE'VE HAD SOME COMMUNICATION WITH, UM, MEMBERS OF, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS.

AND, UH, THEY ARE, UM, INTERESTED AND WILLING TO TAKE UP, UH, THE, UM, UH, TAKE UP THE, UM, THE CHALLENGE OF PROMOTING THIS MEASURE, UH, SHOULD COUNCIL, UM, SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO PUT THAT BACK ON.

UM, THE CITY REMAINS, UM, WILLING AND ABLE TO ASSIST IN A, UH, IN A WAY IN WHICH WE CAN DISSEMINATE FACTUAL, NEUTRAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER.

BUT I THINK, UM, THE MEASURES FAILURE, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, THAT HAVE GONE ON INTERNALLY AMONGST EMPLOYEES, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE REALIZATION THAT THIS IS, UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT MATTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND I THINK HAVE REALLY, UM, INVIGORATED, UH, THOSE THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED, UH, TO STEP UP, UH, AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THIS MEASURE IS SUCCESSFUL, UH, IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ASK COUNCIL TO, TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO, TO YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IF YOU WERE TO CONTINUE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND, AND, UH, AUTHORIZE THIS MEASURE TO GO TO BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

SO MAYOR, TO CONTINUE IT, IT'S STILL MY RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL DOES CONSIDER PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT.

SO IF THERE WERE CONSENSUS TONIGHT TO MOVE THAT TO A COUNCIL, UH, MEETING AND, AND VOTE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

NANCY.

YES.

UH, WE HAVE, AS, AS I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS, UM, A STELLAR, UH, POLICE AND FIRE DIVISION, UH, THEY'RE HIGHLY CERTIFIED, VERY QUALIFIED, AND WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE 'EM.

AND I, I WOULD HATE TO SEE, UM, THEIR CAPABILITIES DIMINISHED IN ANY WAY, UH, BY NOT PASSING THIS LEVEE.

SO I SUPPORT PUTTING IT ON THE, ON THE BALLOT.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES, GLENN.

THANK YOU, MAAM.

BRIAN, DO YOU, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOLS TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRY THEIR LEVY AGAIN THIS NOVEMBER? UH, I HAVE NOT, BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE NOT INTENDING TO PUT THEIR MEASURE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO COMPETE.

UH, I THINK THAT CREATES A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE FOR THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT TWO OF 'EM.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT TOO, THEY START TO GET A LITTLE MORE ANTSY ABOUT, AND I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH THEM ON THAT.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, WHEN IS OUR CURRENT ONE EXPIRING? WHEN WOULD WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE IT? THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE EXPIRES AT THE END OF 2025.

OKAY.

DO WE STILL HAVE TIME IF WE WANTED TO PUT ON FUTURE BALLOTS? 2024.

I'M SORRY.

2024.

THERE'S A SECOND, UH, ONE THAT EXPIRES AT, UH, 2025.

MY APOLOGIES.

OKAY.

AND WHAT DATE DO WE HAVE DEADLINE ON THE, HAVE TO BE BY AUGUST 1ST? IT BE, UM, THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER.

IT'D HAVE TO BE PASSED BY IT.

SO AUGUST 1ST YES.

WOULD BE THE DEADLINE.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS BY AUGUST 1ST TO MAKE THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

YEAH, AFTER THAT.

THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA ASK.

THANK YOU.

UM, IS THAT A ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION? IT'D BE ONE OF EACH.

ONE OF EACH.

SO WE'D HAVE TO PASS THE ORDINANCE THIS MONTH TO GET IT DONE BY AUGUST 1ST, BEYOND THE NOVEMBER BALLOT COURT PASSES AS AN EMERGENCY MEASURE,

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IT WOULD HAVE TO PASS AS AN EMERGENCY MEASURE FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE EFFECTIVE PRIOR TO AUGUST 1ST.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, AND BRIAN, UM, THE LEGISLATION ISN'T IN TONIGHT'S, UM, RITA AHEAD PACKET THAT, THAT WE PRESENTED.

SO THAT'LL NEED TO BE READY FOR MONDAY.

IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY TAKING THE ORDINANCES FROM THE LAST GO AROUND AND CHANGING THE DATE AND A FEW OTHER DETAILS.

IT'S RELATIVELY THE SAME THING THAT WAS, UH, PLACED ON THE BALLOT FOR MAY.

THEN WE CAN HAVE TWO READINGS THIS MONTH, BUT IT HAS TO BE PASSED BY EMERGENCY.

YEAH.

THE ONE ITEM'S A RESOLUTION, SO THAT WOULD JUST NEED ONE READING, WHICH MEANS ON THE ORDINANCE PART WOULD HAVE TO BE PASSED.

IT COULD HAVE TWO READINGS IN JULY IF IT WAS TO BE PASSED AS AN EMERGENCY.

YES.

AND WE'D NEED SIX VOTES TO PASS IT AS EMERGENCY BY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, BRIAN, UH, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WASN'T IN THE PACKET THAT, UH, I THINK I BELIEVE I HAD ASKED FOR.

UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE REASON THE IMPACT GROUP SAID THAT, UH, THE LEVY FAILED IN THE MAY BALLOT? UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO THAT.

THERE WERE SEVERAL FACTORS THAT COULD HAVE INFLUENCED THE PARTICULAR OUTCOME.

WERE THEY ASKED WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY BELIEVED TO BE THE ISSUE.

THAT'S WHAT WE HIRED THEM FOR.

MM-HMM.

? YES, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY THIS PARTICULAR MEASURE MAY HAVE FAILED, BUT THERE IS NO, UH, DEFINITIVE CAUSE THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED.

THEY, THEY HAVEN'T DONE A SURVEY OR NOTHING AT THIS POINT IN TIME? NO, THEY HAVE NOT.

OKAY.

HAVE THEY BEEN DIRECTED TO DO A SURVEY? NO, THEY HAVE NOT.

OH.

WELL, NOW I JUST FOUND THE PROBLEM.

NO, HOLD ON.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU MAYOR NANCY, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO CONSIDERING THE LOW VOTER TURNOUT, THE EXTREMELY LOW VOTER TURNOUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF MONEY TO TASK IMPACT GROUP TO GIVE US SOME REASONS AS TO WHY THEY THOUGHT IT FAILED.

IT WOULD, UNLESS THEY HAVE A ANALYTICAL WAY OF COMING UP WITH THAT, IT WOULD JUST BE THEIR OPINION.

ANITA, CAN WE CONFIRM WITH THE SCHOOLS WHETHER THEY ARE OR ARE NOT DOING A LEVEE IN NOVEMBER? JIM? UM, YES.

ANITA? THE, UM, I SPOKE TO THE, UH, SCHOOL TREASURER LAST WEEK AND SHE TOLD ME DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT GOING, UH, TO THE BALLOT IN, UH, NOVEMBER.

OKAY.

I THINK THE, THE LATEST BUDGET THAT THE STATE PUT OUT WAS MUCH MORE FAVORABLE TO THE SCHOOLS YEAH.

THAN WHAT THEY WERE ANTICIPATING, AND IT CHANGED THEIR WHOLE FIVE YEAR FORECAST.

OKAY.

YES.

KATE, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, MAYOR, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE, BRIAN, IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE THE STAFF KNOWS I'LL HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN.

CAUSE I SUPPORT THE POLICE IN FIRE, IN THE PARKS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY, ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING THIS ON TO MONDAY? OKAY.

NEXT

[ City Code - Supplement 14 - Adopting Ordinance]

IS ITEM THREE N, WHICH IS CITY CODE SUPPLEMENT 14 AND ADOPTING ORDINANCE TONY.

THESE LAST COUPLE ARE YOURS.

OKAY.

SO, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ONGOING LEGISLATION I BRING TO YOU, AND WE HAVE THE QUARTERLY UPDATES TO THE CITY CODE.

UH, THIS IS THE CODIFICATION OF LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR FROM JANUARY ONE TO MARCH 31, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS SUPPLEMENT 14.

SO THIS WOULD JUST BE A, UH, ORDINANCE TO ADOPT SUPPLEMENT 14 INTO, INTO THE CODE, WHICH WOULD INCORPORATE LEGISLATION PASSING THAT PERIOD AND, AND TO CODIFY IT.

UM, THE CHARTER REQUIRES THAT THIS BE ADVERTISED, UM, LEGALLY, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE.

AND, UH, AS AN ORDINANCE, THIS COULD GO TO TWO READINGS PRIOR TO ADOPTION.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

AND NEXT IS ITEM THREE OH, WHICH IS BOARD

[ Board And Commission Appointments * Arts and Beautification Commission - Appointment]

AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS FOR ARTS AND BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

YES.

THIS WOULD BE ONE APPOINTMENT TO THE ARTS OF BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

UM, THIS INTERVIEW PANEL RECOMMENDS THE APPOINTMENT OF AMANDA HENRY FOR TERMING JUNE 30TH, 2026.

THE BACKGROUND CHECK HAS ALREADY BEEN PROCESSED AND WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, BRING AMANDA ON BOARD WITH THE ARTS OF BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF VACANCIES FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT FOUR VACANCIES, SO THEY JUST BARELY HAVE ENOUGH TO HAVE A QUORUM TO HAVE MEETINGS.

SO, UM, THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, FILL IN ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS.

SO, UH, WITH COUNSEL'S APPROVAL, I WOULD ASK YOU TO ACT ON THAT MOTION ON MONDAY.

OKAY.

[01:25:01]

ANY OBJECTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

WE'LL SEE AMANDA ON MONDAY'S MEETING.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, UH, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, THERE IS NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING.

TONY, IF YOU WILL READ PURPOSE.

YEAH.

IT WOULD BE TO A GO INTO EXECUTIVE, UH, SORRY, EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH AN ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY CONCERNING DISPUTES THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF PENDING OR IMMINENT COURT ACTION.

IS THERE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? DON, I'LL MOVE TO GO INTO SECOND.

THERE A SECOND.

ANITA.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

TONY.

MS. BAKER? YES.

MR. CAMPBELL? YES.

MRS. BURGE? YES.

MR. OTTO? YES.

MR. LYONS? YES.

MRS. KITCHEN? YES.

MR. WEBB? YES.

OKAY.

MOTION EXECUTIVE SESSION PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO WHO WILL COME BACK OUT? IT'S 7 39.

WE'VE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN THIS EVENING.

SO AT 7 39, THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.